Hmm, Been a bit quiet this week. What was all that age game bollocks? Today's was OK though. And so, without further ado... J.B.Hunt wrote

Jeez, I've just been through the archive, and noticed that B+S and Peanuts have already been discussed in excelsis. Doh. So sorry for the previous witter.

Hey, what a nice man!

Ho hum. If anyone in Ayrshire feels down after Blind Date and Family Fortunes on a Saturday, you should visit the Attic nightclub in Irvine. Not only is it very reminiscent of a school disco with lots of snogging and crisps,

Wahey!!! I went to an ace club in Finland which was like a school disco, only cool - they played 'Stoned love' and 'Knock on wood' and 'Deep' by East 17 AND Serge Gainsbourg (all ace records), and at the end everyone smooched to 'Forever Young' by Alphaville, which, I am not ashamed to say, is a top Euro classic. Yes, my perfect club! Ricky Tikki Tavi Northy wrote:

I ordered my poster on Monday and got it on Wednesday so the people at VinylTap are pretty quick.

Poster is brill and hanging up as the pride of my room but it does come folded and not in a proper poster sender so it has crease marks :(

Oh, god! That's just awful. Can we all rally round? A benefit gig, something like that.

Peace Man

And you brother.

Arab Strap are absolute shite!!!

Witty, pithy, and incisive.

Their set consisted of one fat Scottish bloke sitting on a stool and SAYING crap lyrics and then a pointless, non melodic crappy chorus of plain old guitars

Fat Scottish blokes are bastards aren't they? Should have slaughtered the lot of them at Culloden. They've got funny accents too. Aya wrote

If you are cool boy and have flat in London and Paris, Second house in LA with great swimming pool, AND living in Amsterdam, You can get special LOVE from me!! ; - ) Haha~

You've been spying on me, haven't you? Katrina wrote

ooh, watch the backlash northy ... quick tag, protect him!

With my life, if necessary. Serious bit... Tim wrote

1. B&S do represent something of a return to guitar pop for me, after a while away...so for me they say exactly that geetar music is still worthy of attention (though I would prefer to say guitar music can still sound fucking brilliant and make me laugh and cry...)

I totally agree. I was talking to someone else about this, about how B&S are the first guitar band in years who are capable of combining humour and beauty since, dare I say it the Go Betweens.

2. pop is (or can be) all about positioning yourself, for and against, what's wrong and right. But I have to say that B&S are a way to say that guitar music can still be beautiful and subtle and (shhh...) touching without succumbing too much to traditional roccknroll business bullshit and, in particular, laddish boor-rock.

The same person I had the discussion above with said pop is everything he loves and everything he doesn't like isn't pop. It's simplistic but I don't think any other definition will do.

Where I disagree is that I think B&S, if they relate to anything else musical at all, are all about the world of indiepop...

No. No. I really don't like this. Why should they 'relate' to anything? Their beauty is that they have captured far more than the hearts of a faithful indiebopper crowd. Indie is a word I truly despise, it's so damn limitting There's nothing wrong with independence, but it's an attitude, not just a lazy banner. How many unimaginative worthy but dull bands fall under that category? Tim then went on to say they didn't relate to electronic music, which is almost certainly true, but so what? I don't see them flying the flag for anything, other than great fucking records, which give me a rush and make me want to get up in the morning. And Ann Sexton, the last All Saints single, Francoise Hardy and Etienne de Crecy all do that too. I suspect Tim knows this too, but I really don't want Belle and Sebastian being put into any cosy indie category, because they're better than that. Aren't they? Did anyone see that thing about Richey Manic in the Melody Maker? Talk about gutter journalism. Fuck, I missed the Simpsons. All the love you can eat, Tag xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------