continuing flak that we are taking regarding defending the bands rights re: Tigermilk Bootlegs we will be unsubscribing from the sinister list.

From the fans perspective (and I say fans perspective because I believe

David, the statistically significant majority of fans feel this way), it does not sound like you, Katrina, or Jeepster are attempting to secure band rights in any way. It appears more like your camp is following a political agenda by claiming the bands legal rights. That is my impression. If I am wrong, I sincerely apologize, but I'm sure many of my fellow fans (especially those who do not own Tigermilk) feel the same way. Many analogies can be made to a class struggle. There were very few Tigermilks made and only the most priveleged own them (some more than one). People are allowed to own arguably inferior cassette copies of the recording, but the original becomes nothing more than an un-obtainable dream. Some people challenge the idea that they can own only a cassette copy and pursue a better facsimile (that technology now allows). Jeepster puts them in their lower-class places by claiming legal authority over the matter. I don't think the band cares that random people on the list would make CD-R copies of their first recording. If it was that important to them that people buy the original, they would re-release it. (I distinctly remember one of the band members during the chat claiming that it wouldn't bother him even if a larger scale bootlegging operation were to occur.) I also don't think Jeepster has a legal authority over Tigermilk. Either Electric Honey or the band do. Of course either could allow Jeepster's pursuit of legal action on behalf of themselves, but I don't think they would particularly care if one fan were to make a copy. Third, if it were to come to legal action (at least in the United States), one could claim "Fair Use". That is, since Tigermilk is out of print (unobtainable) and one is using the recording for a literary, scientific, cultural, or artistic use, copywrite laws allow a personal copies by individuals who aren't attempting sale or profit. Since most of our laws come from England, I'm sure the same holds in the UK. Also, Jeepster attempting legal action sounds to me a lot like "bark bigger than bite" syndrome. Even if Jeepster hand such funds to take on such court battles, the idea of a fan making a personal copy (i.e. not a grand bootlegging operation) would be laughed out of court in the US. And it is VERY easy to sue someone in the US. Matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------