Sinister: Life Cycle of an Email Discussion List (B&S Free) (fwd)
Reminded me of this list, for some reason... (I think we're at 6b. Non?) Rod. Rod Begbie @ http://www.begbie.com | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | I bribe Greek cod ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:05:48 -0500 From: Rahul Chandran <rahul.chandran@yale.edu> Reply-To: monkeyjunkies@wired.com To: monkeyjunkies@wired.com Subject: [mj] FW: Life Cycle of an Email Discussion List (humor) THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS Every list seems to go through the same cycle: 1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush alot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls). 2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies). 3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up) 4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone---newbie and expert alike--- feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions) 5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed) 6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list) OR 6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after) ======================================================================= ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know we're meant to keep political discussions off the list, but I think an exception can be made for this one (as long as we don't spend the next month debating it!). Today's NME contains a long article about how Tony Blair's Labour government has betrayed and cheated young people (and music fans in particular). As part of this, there are a series of mini-interviews with musicians, and one of them is with our very own Stuart David... Q Were you ever on the dole? If so, for how long? "I was on the dole for seven years, from when I was 16 until I was 24 - with one year off in the middle somewhere to do a music course at college. I started signing on while I was still at school. Our teacher in Modern Studies got this older kid in the class to stand up and give a talk one day, explaining to the rest of us how to do it - and I thought, 'That'll do for me'." Q Would you have survived without it? "I imagine I would have _survived_ without it, yes. But I probably wouldn't have had the time to learn how to write and how to play." Q What would you be doing now, if you'd been forced to get a job when you left school? (As Labour are currently planning) "If I'd been forced to get a job when I left school I'd probably still be doing it now." Q Do you see any difference between the current Labour government and the previous Tory one? "I always wanted there to be a Labour government, and I thought in most ways that it would be better for the country in general. But I also knew that it would mean the end of the dole culture as we've known it. Labour have always been about getting people working - and they've always been a worker's party, that's where the name came from." Q What should Labour be doing to help young people? "It was an accident that a minority of the people signing on during the years of the Conservative government managed to use it in their own favour - as a sort of unofficial artist's grant. But I think Labour could learn from that, and perhaps introduce an official grant for developing artists and musicians. "Beyond the arts, they should definitely reintroduce full student grants and housing benefit for students, and just generally make it easier for kids to survive financially while they're working out what it is they want to do." Q Are you surprised they have no new policies/ideas about drugs? "No." Q Should pop stars be going to Number 10? (As Noel Gallagher did) "Of course pop stars shouldn't be gong to Nunmber 10. But most people are shameless about selling records." Q Can music change anything? "Of course music can change certain things. It changes how kids perceive the world when it first affects them. And when they become the generation in power a little bit of that should still be with them." He's actually a hell of a lot kinder to Labour than some of the interviewees; buy the NME if you want more (it's well worth a read, it's the most sense I've read in the NME for ages). Keith Woodfield / Hoppy Miles (I think I prefer the second one...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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