Sinister: Ken's back is quite smooth and non-hairy. Unlike a wolf, or a peacock, who both have very hairy backs. Ken also has a new work e-mail address now look. woo exciting. There has been talks on labelling, and conformity into groups, and classifications.. e.g. r-chel playforth:

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is there really anyone on sinister who actively seeks to be included in an obvious clique/subculture (as defined by dress/musical taste mainly)?<<

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Apparently whenever people try to describe me in a very one-dimensional way

and danny (who drinks tequila): the word twee always seems to pop up<< Whenever I think about this subculture business I get confused when I get to the "indie" subculture.. I figured after a while that it was because there is being indie, and there's being "indie". And that being indie is about listening to yourself, and doing what your personal taste tell you you should do and don't give a shit about what other people thinks. Then there's being "indie" which is wearing indie glasses, indie flares, indie cardigans, indie dufflecoats and only listening to bands that indie people listen to, and don't give a shit that "non-indie" people think you look rather silly and you'd have a tough time finding a daytime job with that hair. But later on a realised that being indie and "indie" isn't mutually exclusive, because maybe you actually like "indie" clothes, and the bands you listen to are those you geniunely like, and that's good, but I get a bit mad when people bang on about being a non-conformist when it is kind of clear that they don't mean what they say at all (the worst is to be a "non-conformist" which seems to me is basically getting onto everyone's tits for the sake of it) But one is much better off being "indie", than indie, (ken's scale of "better off" is measured by "chances of getting laid"), since by being "indie" you instantly have a way bigger friend-base (although the term "friend" here is imprecise) and therefore an instantly bigger gene-pool your can contribute chromosomes into. Whereas if you're just indie you lose the advantage of being in a cliche (unless you're blessed by being indie and "indie", or even better indie and "goth" or "townie"), your friend base is confined to just the people who are tolerant enough to not just dismiss you as being strange, or that they kinda like you as a person rather than as a member of a (debatably) well-dressed gang. So five paragraphs of bollocks later Ken realises that nothing new has been said at all, and that being a non-conformist is just a state of mind, and no one cares. My attempt to be a "non-conformist" consisted of being "a vegetarian who eats meat", a wonder that I don't pull very often? Next I'll be a male lesbian, or a Chinese member of the BNP. Modboys and Indieans and Red Bulls Ken P.S.: Now that all of the B&S Treasure Hunt clues have been found, I wonder if the band will release the answers to the clues any time soon. P.S.2.: Went to ATP this weekend, it was fun but can't think of good reportings back yet will leave the honours to others except to say that SINISTER FC WON THE FOOTIE AGAIN! Props to Elton John. x-box: Although this is my new e-mail address, crush votes should still go to pykachu100@hotmail.com (hint) Gamecube: Sorry about the big legal shindig thingie underneath... but this is CONFIDENTIAL you know....... ****************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT This email, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be legally privileged and/or confidential. Access by any other party is unauthorised without the express written permission of the sender. If you have received this email in error you may not copy or use the contents, attachments or information in anyway. Please destroy it and contact the sender on 0870 840 5000 or via email return. This email has been prepared using information believed by the author to be reliable and accurate, but DaimlerChrysler Services UK Ltd. makes no warranty as to accuracy or completeness. In particular DaimlerChrysler Services UK Ltd. does not accept responsibility for changes made to this email after it was sent. Any opinions expressed in this document are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of DaimlerChrysler Services UK Ltd, or its affiliates. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT ****************************************************************************** +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+