Sinister: Careful with those boots, Sergei!
Brian says his life is laughing children and zippers. Cripes! I knew this list was full of freaks, but isn't that a bit beyond the pale? Did you know that as late as the early 80s there was a fairly high-profile paedophilic lobby in the UK, campaigning for consensual sex between children and adults to be decriminalised? Several left-wing and libetarian figures lent their support to the cause. I found this out recently, looking through an old cuttings file and was rather taken aback at the pace of attitudinal change. The Russians have invented petrol powered boots! Have a look for yourself at http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/820000/video/_823846_duncankennedy1325_7jul_vi... Only the high risk of broken ankles and irreperable knee ligament damage can stop them revolutionising life as we know it! The unspeakable mindmonkey's identity is indeed intriguing. More intriguing still is that they have had to choose 'mindmonkey1' as their excite username. Someone has already nabbed 'mindmonkey'?? Crazy times.
What is the opinion of Stephen 'I used to be called Tintin' Duffy
I dunno. I would imagine there is more than one. People used to talk about him in the 'earlier, funny' days of Sinister* (~) quite a lot, when they were taking a break from being earlier and funny. Following my disgust at being invited to kiss him with my mouth, it somehow seeped into my consciousness in about 1989 that Duffy was now to be taken seriously, and I made a note to buy the first Lilac Time album. But then I didn't and it was soon deleted and I refused to buy any later ones on the grounds that I had meant to buy the first one and I wasn't going to settle for some johnny-come-lately second or third one, even if they were better. I looked on the excellent http://www.gemm.com * for a second-hand copy recently but discovered that about $30 was the going price. There, admission of residual, bloodyminded, misplaced music snobbery over. I like the idea of Steve Kado refusing to talk about the Floyd anymore. For me, it's the tired old thing of pop fandom involving drawing fairly arbitary lines in the sand and saying 'no, I will not investigate this any further'. No matter how many times people tell me that 'Dark Side of the Moon' is a heavy influence on 'The Virgin Suicides' I won't be buying it. I want Air in my life but I don't want 1970s Pink Floyd. It's got a lot to do with where I perceive a fanbase to be. If all those boring 50 year olds and geeks at school tell me something's great I don't want to have anything to do with it. Unless there are a significant number of people I respect also like it. Call me childish. Call me a sheep. Call me a childish sheep. Just call me, OK? On a more reasoned point, I suppose I do categorise Radiohead and Pink Floyd as attempts at the epic and grandiose, and that immediately turns me off. Yes, Radiohead may well be concerned with representing the complexities of Thom Yorke's emotional existence, but he does it in such a way that just makes me feel embarrassed at the idea that someone might catch me listening to it and imagine that I'm 'feeling his pain'. If I want grand emotions on a record I'll listen to soul. And if I want an investigation of life's complexities I'll read a novel. Just save me from 'deep' indie music. Colin wrote:
I've been thinking a lot about Struan's distaste for If Your Feeling Sinister. His discomfort with the album's effect has denied us live versions of "Dylan in the Movies" and "Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying", and all the other good tracks. I've noticed that there aren't even any videos from Sinister. I wonder what the big deal is...they are good songs.
They surely are. In that piece, Stuart said he thought the songs on IYFS were the best he's ever written. What he *didn't* like was the way they were recorded. I blame Tony Doogan. I guess the reason for the lack of videos is that no singles come off the albums. It's only since TWATTYBUS that they've started doing the odd promo for album tracks. And they played both the songs you mention on their last tour.
Wish me luck! I'm auditioning for survivor. If I make the cut then I'll do my best to advertise Belle and Sebastian by humming their tunes in the Australian Outback.
God help us if there's a war. N. x * a fantastically simple example of what e-commerce should be about, linking the stock lists of hundreds of second-hand record shops together to one searchable database, much like http://www.abebooks.com does for booksellers. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
YO! faking up a rampage mentioned wanting to be canadian and wanting 'a real canadian lineage' which seems really preposterous to me. i mean, exactly what constitutes a canadian lineage? everyone but the native canadians came from some other place and got it on with people from other places who had kids who were bits of both etc. i mean, i'm half-japanese and half-ukranian so far as the genes are concearned but both my folks were born here so um...yeah....canadian lineage? um... sorry about that. my last word on pink floyd: i always hate talking about pink floyd because it just leads to too much ickyness, and misunderstanding. really, it happens most with floyd, more than with any other band. i don't know why. so this is the last thing i'll say about floyd. nick dastoor took me to town about floyd being something that i hated because the scene around them is full of unbathed granola heads, when in fact i hate floyd for thousands of really important reasons, not just because jello biafra tells me i should. (although thats a pretty good reason i think, also the granola heads are a really big turn off) i actually own a few floyd records. i generally don't say i hate bands i know nothing about. maybe hate is too strong, but they really do bore the fuck out of me. in part because they take themselves so seriously and so many of their fans take their seriousness so seriously (serious). not that you shouldn't be serious, its just what they are being so serious about i find really silly. being a curious sort i never really found their music that deep or fascinating...i mean, what passes for 'innovation' in their music is really just regurgitating things others did before and integrating it into a really dull hard-rock sort of framework. not that regurgitating is bad, but its bad when the copy is mistaken for the original, y'know. its not like people walk around saying belle and sebastian invented the 3minute jangly pop song... anyway, so then floyd throw in some limp guitar work and some 'deep' psycho-crap and suddenly everyone is so fascinated...like, air make this meaningless cheesy film-soundtrack album and yes it does sound like pink floyd, but its cheesy and fun (its a score to a pretty cheesy movie about things that happened in a cheesy decade, the cheese is totally appropriate)...which is where i can like air and where i can't like floyd...see? its not that i hate grandiose things either...i mean there's definitely a certain pleasure in excess. but for something to act and be perceived by so many people as so weighty and such but totally lack the anything to substatiate taking up that kind of space is really annoying to me. and yes, kittens are probably the best things to come out of pink floyd ever. although whoever named their cats that deserves to be beaten about the ears with wet rhubarb. as to the joe boyd connection: he may have produced some earlier floyd records, but so far as i can be sure floyd produced most of their own work and in many cases these sessions were engineered by alan 'i robot' parsons....who's records i find to be among the very funniest things ever recorded. i personally hold alan parsons responsible for 'that sound' that i hate so much on floyd records. and its not like i even dislike prog either. i love Italian prog bands like banco and museo rosenbach and l'orme because their sooooo silly and weird. its like getting all the boring english prog rock filtered through this ludicrous opera world and then everything turns completely ridiculous. its like pink floyd in drag. speaking of slipknot: my friend ben (who is on the list but never posts) told me this story. a friend of his works at the warehouse, which is perhaps one of the all time worst concert venues in toronto, it almost always sounds shit there...but i'm digressing...and it so happens that a few months ago slipknot played and after the concert had finished and most people had gone home there was still this worried looking old guy running around looking around...so it turns out that he was a worried father looking for his 15 yr old daughter whom he was supposed to pick up after the show...so the staff looked here and there and couldn't find her anywhere. so then they went backstage and looked in here and there and found nothing and then they came to the dressing rooms..... anyway, it turns out that that's where the fellow's daughter was and she and the guy from slipknot where drinking coke and eating chips. actually, that's a big lie...she was giving the slipknot guy a blow-job and the kicker is: HE WAS STILLWEARING HIS MASK!!! i mean, do you think she asked for him to leave it on or what? so the poor father looked like he was about to have a heart attack and things went badly. also speaking of ben: he's visiting london and things so you all should be nice to him. you'll know him by the way he avoids making eye contact and then runs away if you try and talk to him. and his lacoste shirts. he wears lacoste shirts. and has a belt. yeah. and i _didn't_ make fun of yr hair angel, i *complimented* you on it. and frankly i dance like a spastic so i think i'm pretty innocent of rampant anglophilia in dancing. but if the spastics ever go around looking for people biting their style, then i'm fucking dead. kicking it seizure style since 1980, steve +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. 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