"what is your definition of emo, twee, and or any other hip music category that you might be able to help me define. all i know is weezer is emo, b&s is twee, and modest mouse is indie. what is used to define these placements, and is there a hierarchy?" The Concise and Blunt Idleberry Dictionary, 2003 Edition, Sinister Publications Ltd. emo: (adjective)(1) lazy method of defining music according to its beat, tone, pitch, vocals, and choice of musical instruments. Used by people who don't actually like music enough to listen to it properly. (2) Stereotype of person or people who listen to a particular band or bands, judged on basic observations of appearance, attitude, and behaviour. twee: (adjective) (1)lazy method of defining music according to its beat, tone, pitch, vocals, and choice of musical instruments. Used by people who don't actually like music enough to listen to it properly. (2) Stereotype of person or people who listen to a particular band or bands, judged on basic observations of appearance, attitude, and behaviour. indie: (adjective) lazy method of defining music according to its beat, tone, pitch, vocals, and choice of musical instruments. Used by people who don't actually like music enough to listen to it properly. (2) Stereotype of person or people who listen to a particular band or bands, judged on basic observations of appearance, attitude, and behaviour. Hope that helps clear things up, Tamara. Personally, I think anyone who aspires to being twee/ emo/ indie is socially inept. If you have an issue with being yourself and instead feel the need for a label or category to belive you fit in somewhere in society, then there isn�t much hope left. You may as well just pop on some concrete flippers and take a long swim now. Seriously. What is the point at all if you can�t just be yourself and feel the need to be something, to dress, to act and to behave a certain way just to feel part of anything? Come on! Its only music. Why feel the need to be a certain way to impress people who like the same music as you? Isn't that what you'd be doing, afterall? Trying to fit in, trying to impress people so you feel somehow part of a movement? It doesn�t work. Unless you�re into the Rocky Horror Picture Show. I think it works in that case. Is sinister twee? Bollocks it is. Quick cross-section of sinister pos(t)ers:Ken Chu; Mark Casarotto; Carsmile Steve; Matt Henderson; Laura Llew; Mrs Bapps (nee fruitloop); Hobart Ian; Robin Stout... YOU. Personally, I wouldn�t have the balls to ever approach one of them and seriously accuse them of being twee. So to do it to sinister as a whole isn�t exactly wise either. I think its a pretty bloody ignorant statement for anyone to suggest that sinister, as a whole, is twee. Paisley: why didn't you just privately mail casarotto instead of getting all "ooh! you're nothing more than a big bad bully boy!" all over my inbox? Why did I need to see that? Was it somehow significant to my life as well? I think not. Maybe I'm alone in that thought, maybe this alone is slightly hypocritical and I should have just mailed you myself, but fuck it, I've got more stuff to say in this post than just getting all hyper-PC about the twee issue.... And so I continue.... I've just returned from a long weekend with the boyfriend at his house. A nice weekend, involving ridiculous amounts of booze, watching Teachers on DVD, and coming home to find my brother had tidied my room for me. Bonus. Incidentally: while watching the box, I noticed B&S were played as background music on Fame Academy yesterday. Bet they are going to enjoy some ker-ching as a result, in royalties. Boy with the Arab Strap if you must know, and I was only watching cos my boyfriend was watching it and I made him sit through a Halley Mills film earlier in the day. That�s not twee by the way � that�s doing it cos there was fuck all else on telly. Love, Idles (I'm relieved to see that a discussion of tweeness is going on here - makes a change to those mid-atlantic picnic posts, no offence to the posters of those, just get it over and done with already, and enjoy your cake and stop making me wish I was there. How do you have a picnic in the middle of the sea, I wonder?) ===== http://groups.yahoo.com/group/corduroysmoke/ starting playground gossip and passing notes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. 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