Phew. OK a few more things from my dizzy astrally projected three-days' old list readings - I'm really sorry this is so piecemeal, so I've thrown in some headings to make it look as if I've got an ordered brain. And I've got my British "politeness" hat on today. - List stuff - I don't quite know how to put this one but I'm queasy about open debate about band members' sexualities and inter-relationships on the list, apart from the obvious fact that of course they all have a thing for Peter Miller, as he appears in every song in a variety of disguises. We've had this long aching debate about who's gay etc. ages ago, and for many of us the band are friends or acquaintances, and read the list sometimes too, so I suppose you could say if you squinted a little that they are honorary members. I suspect none of you would like to see 800 people debating your private life (well I know a few here who might revel in it :), and really is sexuality like that anyway, and really isn't it a bit of a tired old one-dimensional way of interpreting complex personal expression and identity? B&S aren't a flag-waving band, thank goodness, and if you find empathy, connectness, and a personal mirror of your own life in the music then that's where many of us are and that's good; but let's not dig around for really quite private details. I wouldn't allow it on the list for any of *you* blessed 800 listees. Gosh that was sensible. Why didn't I say: they have private lives too. Anyway I've said enough to be shot down, but please ease off it a little, and if you wish to talk about this, please mail me privately. While we're on it, let's go a little easy on a certain person who may be on the list and got a bit of a slagging. Just because someone's had a public life doesn't mean they don't deserve the respect and ploliteness you would expect yourself. It also probably means they can't reply as easily as the rest of us. A listee's a listee whoever they are, and as such is a cherished jewel in my wee heart, and anyone saying anything rude or personal about anyone else on here counts as a flame. And we don't like flames do we? We know they wreck lists, and this list's fabulous thanks to you lot. So be nice because I like it that way. Thank you for your attention you can all return to your desks now, and Adrian Evans wipe that smirk off your face and stop chewing your pencil. Oh! And can I say for the umpteenth time that I don't want anyone to think I'm having a go at them! A few people have in the past and honestly honestly I'm not! I'm just trying to keep the list how the majority of people on it want it. Please don't stop posting and go off in a huff... please. The only time anything's directed at an individual I mail them directly. I should know, I just have :) - WWW site - OK, I promise the WWW site will be back very soon, nay, in the twinkling of an eye. I've restored the archives, which are sort of limping along and looking for sympathy just now, but you can't get to them from the main page; so go to: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/hypermail/current and via the link "Other mail archives" to every posting there's ever been. - Sending list mails in HTML - please read - There's some people sending to the list in HTML format: they probably don't know it and they're certainly not to blame, but it's that (grrr) irritating thing that Microsoft products like Outlook use by default. Anyway it makes a hash of the digests and I'd appreciate anyone who knows how can send me a full easy-to-use guide on how to turn it off for different mailers (i.e. step by step which I can send on), to send it to me for re-distribution. Not the list please as it'll start another discussion :) In the meantime if you're using Outlook Express, please look at your settings under "Tool", "Options", "Send" and turn choose "Plain Text" rather than "HTML". I have a vague memory it's more complicated than that, but I can't remember why, and hey, it's a start. God, that's vague, sorry I'll try and send out something more competent if someone clever can summarise in a mail to me. - Miscellaneous Ejaculations - The fabulously named Arantxa (I can't believe I know two Arantxa's), and Cindy and others asked how someone puts up a photo on the slightly defunct Sinister WWW pages - you send them to me, JPG format please. I'm particularly proud of the baby pages, partly because I shamelessly like my own picture in wellies with a teddy, so they get quicker attention from me. I think Azreal and co. pointed people to their pictures on the WWW and again if anyone wants me to incorporate them, just ask me to sweetly and send me the URL. And then wait a little while, as everything's taking me a long time just now, as several people waiting for guitar tabs, and personal mails will have noticed: sorry! I'm getting there. Jennifer asked for Tigermilk lyrics - if you go to the Jeepster site www.jeepster.co.uk, they're all there under "discography". Poor old Christian, I don't know who had a go at you about Duran Duran, but ask a "Linda" on the list to make a public confession about her Simon Le Bon poster. The Boy Keith made mention of the "concert" the band minus one did at the church in Glasgow and indeed they did do "Turn, Turn, Turn" and many other festive favourites, like "Kumbayah Me Lordy". This is all true. For new and unbelieving people to the list, if you want to you can see the full rundown at: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/hypermail/1998-month-06/0467.html The delightful Monsieur Philippe: if anyone tells you how to sex a goldfish (no I mean.. you know what I mean, don't be cheeky) then can you tell me too? Princess Diana is looking a bit confused and her fins are going all limp. Entertainment for the ill and at-home: go out and buy cordless phones with two handsets, and then get Linda to take hers out to the car and see how far down the street she can get to the shops before they cut off. Can someone ring me please so I can use the phone a bit more? Today's UK Guardian has an interesting article on A&R men, and makes mention of a band called "Ken Dodd's Dad's Dog's Dead". 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