<aah, I have to agree. I love all this black and the velvet and the make-up... I'd like to be a goth myself, I would, there's only one tiny problem, and that's the music. I can't stand it, not even in an effort to get to know one of those heavenly goth creatures. But listening to boring synthie-pop with monotonous singing about death and devils... what's more, I went to a Nick Cave concert once (he seems to be the only artist who's somewhat goth and still very very good, or maybe his talent is only proof that he isn't goth ;), and all those goth people were happily chatting with each other and even occasionally LAUGHING! can you imagine that? They're not even taking their own underground culture seriously! Who else could fulfill the noble task of melancholy, if not them? I was disappointed. > um. something about this im going to say now. goths, most of the time, are very overrated...and most of the other time, underrated. and some people would like to think "oh, theyre satanic"...."theyre losers" but the fact is that a lot of goths are very very smart...its just that they like to look a certain way and listen to a certain kind of music... i dunno. i tend to always defend goths. maybe because i relate to them the most. or whatever. but the people who give goths a bad name is those to "pretend" to be gothic, and make fools out of themselves acting in strange uncertain ways. yawn. next subject. someone, i don't remember who, was looking for some book recommendations. this is what i have. if youre looking for a mystery kind of book try Nevermore by William Hjotsberg or And the Sea Will Tell (true story) by Vincent Bugliosi. if youre looking for a self destructive book try Jernigan by David Gates. if youre looking for a passionate...uh.. a story of love and friendship, try Eden Close by Anita Shreve or The Arrowing of the Cane by John Conyngham. yeah. that's all. and im reading a story now of loss and mourning..(from what i have read so far) called The God of Small Things by Arundhati Roy. and im enjoying it very much. reading that novel is like a twisted form of meditation. dont ask. its perfect in my head. one more thing. that thing about being shy. im very very very shy as well. not on the pooter as much, but in real life, in front of people i dont know (unless im intoxicated). yeah. and because im shy, i say certain things at random and...whatever. but if youre looking to impress a shy girl (which you shouldnt do, just be yourself), people who are relatively shy don't really go with the mainstream (in my opinion, if you disagree, dont damn me), so do something creative to get their attention or something. i tend to worship from afar. and i think i always will. thats all. advice from someone with no experience. wonderful, eh? faeriebelle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+