In a message dated 2/15/00 9:30:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, babychriscrystalballs@yahoo.com writes: << However, the catholic church HAS NO PROBLEM WITH HOMOSEXUALS. However, it does not agree with homosexual acts (ie. sex) due to it's definition of the purpose of sex. It believes that sex is a sign of commitment in a permanent loving relationship. It also belives that sex is there to consumate marriges and create a physical bond between two people, to create a reminder of thier love, in the form of a child. >> First off I have to express sympathy for Chris because I too was raised Catholic and even went to Catholic school for my formative years as well. The Catholic Church will pound their ideals into your head until you are a helpless automaton simply on "repeat" for the rest of your life. I'm not saying Chris is a helpless automaton, but I'm guessing the above is something he was told and not something he's reasoned for himself. To the heart of the matter: if sexual relations are so undefilable to Catholics that they'd be wholeheartedly for the stripping of the rights of gays, then why the hell are priests screwing 8-year-old choir boys left and right? In Baltimore alone 13 priests are on trial for those kind of offenses this year, and I've heard of "fathers" still at it today. Perhaps they don't have a problem with homosexuality per se, but I don't think it validates their case any to say they only have a quarrel with its practice. Thats a nice little subversion. "We don't hate gays, we just hate it when they ACT gay." If that were the case then they'd ostensibly be all for gay marriages as long as they swear to abstinence, right? If were only the casual sex that upset them, they'd have done away with a good number of themselves by now. Catholicism is famous for rendering tons of guilt on its practitioners so let's not pretend they actually have objective viewpoints on anything. Furthermore, what Chris stated above implies that Catholics believe only homosexuals have casual sex and that hetero-folks only do it when they want a child. I don't even need to attack that one, because it just doesn't stand up at all. Chris, none of that was meant personally so I hope it doesn't upset you. Love and the Great Pumpkin Steve C. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* "Which Paul?" "BLAH!" visit http://callowkids.tripod.com or your crush will hate you forever +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+