"yes, so, if we're really looking for oxymorons: "the united states, land of the free" seems pretty apt. " A crass and obtuse statement in my opinon. I'm sure my grandfather would disagree. He left a country with rampant poverty and a fascist government for freedom and a chance for a better life in America. I think he's a little more knowledgeable on the subject than you people. He had no money and no friends - 1 shirt and 1 pair of trousers and has a whole lot more today. He'd get a good laugh listening to you folks. One of the things I hate about this list is this "I hate America" thread that seems to pop up every once in a while. Give me a break. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+