Sinister: Say something strikingly poignant, poetic or profound

13 Oct 1999

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sinister-digest      Wednesday, October 13 1999      Volume 03 : Number 341
In your latest Sinister digest:
Sinister: Help me make loads of money  ["Keith Watson"
<k.watson@cableinet]
 Re: Sinister: The gas man and the inflatable cod  ["Vince Russell"
<bas@vi]
 Sinister: world keep on turnin'...  ["Matthew Dowgert"
<MFDOWGERT@holycros]
 Sinister: today's special                  [Ted Whalen
<tew@introvert.net>]
 Sinister: My bip bopping days ain't over...
[=?iso-8859-1?q?Gabriela=20Sa]
 Sinister: makes no difference who you are...  ["Helen"
<pixiemeat2@hotmail]
 Sinister: Poesia eres tu   [Arantxa Sanz
<pcxas@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>]
 Sinister: I'M DEAD ART       ["GEORGE DICKIE"
<sad_fluffy_ghd@hotmail.com>]
 Sinister: I shot the sheriff...   but 'e was a stealin' me apples!
["Robi]
 Sinister: spicy chicken curry?                      ["Tim"
<tjl@dmu.ac.uk>]
 Sinister: Re: hey all!  ["Michael Barrett"
<Michael.Barrett@adv.sonybpe.co]
 Sinister: Is poetry P!A!P!?
[Nick.Dastoor@guardian.co.uk]
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:28:02 +0100
From: "Keith Watson" <k.watson@cableinet.co.uk>
Subject: Sinister: Help me make loads of money
Hello all you people - got a quick message for you chaps.
We're running a club in Glasgow (Glasgow's first REAL MUSIC night). It's
called "In Tune" and it will feature the DJ-ing "talents" of myself, Claire
Timmins, Mick and Alasdair Cooke (not Alasdair from the list, but Mick (48)
Cooke's Brother).
It's at the 13th note Cafe on King Street in Glasgow, famously thought to
be
owned by Bis - who rip the "kids" off by selling fanzines allegedly, at
9:00
till 12:00 this Friday. Inspired by Bis's alleged activity, we plan to
fleece everyone who enters by the sum of 1 pound sterling, which we'll use
to get a taxi back home again after the club, leaving all the poor kids to
freeze to death in the Glasgow night.
We're gonna be playing any sort of music really, just anything that's good,
and if it goes down well, we'll do another night. It's supposed to just be
like a great big party.
Anyone's welcome to come along and pay a pound, please do.
Anyhow, enough of that rampant capitalism, sorry I haven't posted to the
list for bloody ages, things used to be really relaxed in attitude at work,
but they're not now I'm afraid to say and I can't really post from work.
Nice to see Sarah mentioning monkeys whom I still believe are the new rock
and roll - to back this up, this months Viz (which is a comic, and as we
all
well know, comedy is the old new rock and roll) contains an advert for
Monkey Fags, which contains 0.01% Nicotine, and 3.6% Banana! - rock and
roll.
Peter, lovely to hear your Barry Sheene exploits. I once met Fish - he was
funny, he put this really fake broad Scottish accent on so as to appear
harder than he actually is. Actually, that reminds me, may have said this
one before but, my old flatmate met Fish on Victoria Street in Edinburgh
once, he said "Oh, it's Fish", and Fish went "Fuck off". I once met Chancer
from City Lights in the pub too, I went "Hey - it's Gerard Kelly, you're
...
funny man, from the telly" and he went "No, it's Andy Gray".
Cheers,
 Keith.
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:52:14 +0100
From: "Vince Russell" <bas@vincer.dircon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Sinister: The gas man and the inflatable cod
Well hello everyone,
The exploits of Steve will live on, I have evidence that he still lives,
great news huh? To continue the saga, Steve was last seen in a club in
Fulham, having a really great time I have to add, I woke the next day with
no sign of my piscean friend anywhere, so I presumed him dead, I have been
in mourning ever since. And then came a phone call, late last night, now I
know what your going to say and I won't worry because I've translated
Steve's transcript in English,
Steve : Hi is Vince there?
Vince : Speaking
S : Hi Vince, it's Steve!
V : Steve? Is this some sort of joke?
S : No, it's me Steve the Fish
V : I thought you'd...you know...passed on
S : No no, when you left I was getting passionate with a girl called Susie
from Worcester
V : What?
S : She was really nice...and...well...we've decided to get married and
tour
the world
V : WHAT!!!!
S : I'm sorry if this is a bit of a shock to you, but...
V : Bloody right it's a shock, you're a fish!
S : Racist bastard!
V : What? How am I racist?
S : Well, you said I couldn't travel the world because i'm a fish!
V : An inflatable fish I might add
S : Look, I called to see if you were all right with this but I can see i'm
wasting my...
V : Steve, Steve, look, i'm sorry, i'm just really surprised, and i'll
like...you know...miss you
S : I'll be back, and don't worry i'll write to you
V : When do you leave?
S : Tonight
V : Take care Steve, say Hi to Susie for me
S : Bye Vince.
V : <sob> Bye Steve <sob> <sob>
So Steve has gone, but has not died, to all those on the list who live
outside the UK, if you see Steve say Hi from me, he's a good guy, and
according to Steve's brother, Jonathan, Susie's a great girl also.
And me? i'll be fine, I have my eye on a very nice small plastic hedgehog
called Andrea.
Bye for now,
Vince.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Robinson <martin@send.demon.co.uk>
To: <sinister@Majordomo.net>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 12:57 PM
Subject: Sinister: The gas man and the inflatable cod
...
Dear all,
I'm afraid I bring bad news to all those admirers and followers of Steve
the inflatable fish. He is missing presumed dead after having several
drinks and then being passed round the dancefloor, a bit like Owen Meany
in Sunday school, of a small club in trendy Fulham. Rumours of an
inflatable Crimewatch special, as of yet, are unfounded. The Wake is
presently being delayed in case his deflated remains are found. The
saddest part of it all is that I never got the chance to tell him that I
loved him really.
Anyway, at the absence of anything constructive to say and not wishing
to extend the heated Richard Stilgoe debate to the highlights of the
career of the amusingly spectacled Cristopher Biggins I shall just
continue pointlessly and say: I think Mr Casarotto's spiel on Mr Ken
Kesey was more than a bit harsh
...
What a grade A cunt that Ken
Kesey must be! And Pete's letter just made me spit bile - his account
of
Kesey's experiments is all the evidence I need for the introduction of
compulsory lobotomies for anyone who thinks any thoughts they have
while
tripping are worth foisting on anyone else. Very big and clever you sad
old
men.
Wasn't Kesey was paid by the American government to take LSD? As they
had no idea what effect it had. He then, being of an open mind, began
experimenting with it and passing it on to all his mates. LSD had no
history at this point, so they weren't to know that it would be
responsible for a load of hippies walking round going "Wow man!". So in
conclusion everything is the fault of the American government, quelle
surprise, and it is probably they who are the "grade A cunt"'s.
Aren't gassy men a pain? The bloke came to replace the pump on my
central heating yesterday and then in the evening I get water coming
through the kitchen. Apparently he damaged the gas cylinder making it
leak, so they drained that and now have to replace to it. Consequently I
have no hot water and the only thing heated in my abode was the
conversation I had with the gas board to get it fixed quickly. What a
bunch of "grade A cunt"'s they are (I can use this nasty word all the
time now and just say I'm quoting that foul mouthed fouler Casarotto).
Anyway can I start a new list of recommended domestic heating service
providers? Go electric kids you won't regret it.
Time to conclude this tedium as there's a pint with my name on it.
Te ra,
Martin
ear confection recordings
(http://www.send.demon.co.uk)
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:16:03 -0400
From: "Matthew Dowgert" <MFDOWGERT@holycross.edu>
Subject: Sinister: world keep on turnin'...
i'm in a computer lab at school, writing a paper and listening to stevie =
wonder, innervisions cd and damn if it's not fucking awesome.  stevie =
rocks, he plays all the instruments on a bunch of the songs.  and he's =
blind.  damn.  i mean, i knew he was blind, and i knew he was cool, but =
all i heard before was superstition, an awesome song, but i thought that =
it might just be his best and the rest might not be too great.  but heck, =
he proved me an ignorant fool, because this whole cd is fantabulous.
just as 3...6..9 seconds of light is fantabulous.
just as my mom's apple pie is fantabulous.
just as a new pair of socks is fantabulous.
just as the end of this e is fantabulous.
matthew francis dowgert
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:18:29 -0500
From: Ted Whalen <tew@introvert.net>
Subject: Sinister: today's special
This message is by way of introduction.  I think perhaps a summary of the
events of this weekend will serve as a primer to my life and the state that
I'm in.
Saturday, as I was on my way to a party thrown by people I don't especially
like, I stopped at the local bar for a bite and a pint.  It seems like
everyone at the bar conspired to make me staggeringly drunk.  I stumbled
down to the party, but was forced to make an over-hasty exit due to
alcohol-induced illness.  Sadly, (and here is the B&S content) I had to
leave before I could sway in the style of the truly rhythmless to 'We Rule
the School.' It was my only musical request at a party where the theme was
'High School Homecoming'.  I was not elected king.  I lost my cranberry
sweater vest on the way home.
Sunday I spent mainly in bed, but ventured out in the late afternoon to
visit Ikea with my roommate.  We bought a rug, and once at home, I swept
and
washed the floors in celebration of its arrival.  I then commuted via train
into work.  I worked so late that the trains had stopped running when I was
ready to leave.  I spent the night in bed with my ex-girlfriend, fighting
platonically over the covers.
Surmise what you will about my life, but feel free to email me your
inferences.  My name is Ted and I live in Chicago.
tew
- --
                  And it says "I burn."
                Ted Whalen - tew@introvert.net
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:45:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Gabriela=20Sampaio?= <shoegazer1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: Sinister: My bip bopping days ain't over...
Dear listees...
It's been so long since I posted last that I am not
sure how to do it again....hehe
I just wanted to share a moment of happiness with
you... I played as a DJ last Sunday and I included
"she's losing it" and  gentle waves'  "weathershow" in
my playlist and I was delighted to see everybody on
the dancefloor!!
Isn't it great?
XXX
gabi
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:26:03 GMT
From: "Helen" <pixiemeat2@hotmail.com>
Subject: Sinister: makes no difference who you are...
I saw Mercury Rev on the tele (Oz TV... because I live with the wizard) the
other night and they did (quite a fine) cover of 'when you wish upon a
star'. And a Dylan cover as well, He was a friend (of mine?).
Interesting. Does covering a Disney song make you less cool? Because I'm
sure it has been done many times before. (or even covering Bob Dylan,
(although almost every band has done that), to those Dylan haters out
...
although I like the man myself).
(I think I am the winner of how many brackets you can use in a paragraph)
Maybe it makes you more cool, like a 'I don't give a stuff about coolness'
cool. Soon we'll have B&S covering the theme from Pocahontas and the Beta
band doing a 6 minute experimental piece of Beauty and the Beast. But is
there a ''I don't give a stuff about coolness' cool' cool. And if so where
does it stop? Is there a limit to what is anti-cool and therefore 'hip', as
opposed to things that are so not hip that there is no way that they can
become cool.
Don't worry I don't understand that sentence very much either.
Personally I really don't give a stuff, because:
1) coolness, non-coolness it's all relative
2) I quite liked Pinocchio anyway
3) and lastly because I'm taking the piss out of those people and
establishments who like to draw lines in the fickle world of entertainment,
(I mean by saying this band is cool, but that band isn't, they make it such
a thin line when really there isn't one at all. Because as soon as you draw
a line in the sands of entertainment, then a wave of popular opinion comes
in and washes it away and you have to start again.... now you see why I
never did English because my metaphors are crap. Ha.)
but what I can tell you for certain is that I spend way too much time in
transit every day and have nothing to do except wonder and laugh at stupid
shit like this.
Helen
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:49:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Arantxa Sanz <pcxas@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: Sinister: Poesia eres tu
Press articles and reviews based on celebrities is going too far.One
cannot open a so-called serious paper without finding Steve Trousse and
Tara'shenanigans in their pages, everyday.And in the end I don't know if
he was stripping in front of pubescent princes or she was slagged off
because of her lyrical taste.Media just confuse my waif-like mind.
All I could really 'absorb' from poetry and lyrics later scandal, it was
that Deborah Whoever,feature writer of the year,fancied Andrew Motion
because of his posh navy blue coat.Fair enough.After my pleasant reading
of some verses in my mother tongue sent by lovely Giita ( I want to go to
Iceland more than ever,after my housemate's holidays ...!!!),might I add
humbly my two pences to the discussion???Language makes a radical
difference.Try to translate anything being true poetry (even something
painted by furious demonstrators on a wall)and it would get irreversebly
damaged somehow.
And sorry for being so conventional,but I consider 'angels' second
position and even 'Imagine' first position slightly embarrasing,being the
most embarrasing of it all the somehow official opinion of 'Bohemian
Rapsody' should have made it much better!
70's Who,that classical of this list: I ignore if Mr Miller would know
about Houston Party Records, the recently founded label managed by Jaume
from Parkinson DC in Barna, and so baptised after the orgiastic bash
organised by the WHo during some American tour or so.According to the
manager, that party simbolised all the rock mythology.Very deep.Especially
for a power pop label owned by Posies' best chums.
Once again, anyone up for Airport Girl and Butterflies of Love tomorrow
night in NOttingham? Mail me privately.
xxxx
Arantxa
PS I had never written before in any message 'mail me privately'.It sounds
so naughty.
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 03:55:18 PDT
From: "GEORGE DICKIE" <sad_fluffy_ghd@hotmail.com>
Subject: Sinister: I'M DEAD ART
WHEN YOU CAN'T SEE THE POINT TO ANYTHING
YOU HAVE NO POINT TO MAKE
G
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:01:00 +0100
From: "Robin Stout" <Ppyrrjs@nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: Sinister: I shot the sheriff...   but 'e was a stealin' me apples!
Helen wrote:
...
I saw Mercury Rev on the tele (Oz TV... because I live with the wizard)
Hi All,

It's been a while since I posted and sadly it will probably be a while until
I post again. In a cruel twist of fate the college where I reside for most
of my time has now been furnished with the luxury of the internet. 'Great!'
some of you may be thinking, Neil won't be moaning about his phone bills any
longer as he can use the net at taxpayers expense. Well the prospect of
A-Levels next June makes this impossible, but my slightly less consientious
friends having found the URL are proceeding to mock the whole sinister
community which is becoming incresingly demoralising and a special topic of
conversation seems to have been my posts which of course they can all
access. They're all suspicious of me going to 'picnics' as and having read
the posts they are convinced, partially because of the name I presume (will
they ever understand!!!), that sinister is a cult and it does become rather
irritating trying to educate the masses. I used to try and now have just
given up.

Anyway it seems I must now write out of compulsion, not that this is not a
pleasurable way to spend an evening. However having being stuck on the last
train last night after selling T-Shirts for the fabulous Billy Mahonie at
the garage I nearly fell asleep in a court room today and still have many
ways which I must fill this evening, the completion of this post obviously
being the highlight of these. Some of you may have been wondering the
reasoning the title; in my doleful employment which spoils my Saturdays when
bored I often say to our staff (allegedly my colleagues) 'Say something
strikingly, poignant, poetic or profound' and they give me strange looks as
if I have finally lost all grasp of reality, which by that time I probably
have. However tonight it seems that having been passed the poetry parrot by
the lovely Giita (can I come and stay in Iceland in exchange for
compliments, lol ?) it would appear that it is my task to post something
falling into the aforementioned criteria.

Recently I have been devoting my study to the difficulty in balancing
conflicting interests with regards to civil liberties in the UK. My
selection of poetry therefore in some deranged way is linked to this aim;
i.e. the fact that one selection lacks originality is balanced by my
decision to contribute something, admittedly not a very good something, that
I penned myself sometime ago.

The Inevitable

While I was fearing it, it came.
But it came with less of a fear,
Because that fearing it so long
Had almost made it dear.
There is a fitting a dismay,
A fitting a despair
'Tis harder knowing it is due,
Than knowing it is here.
The trying on the upmost,
The morning it is new,
Is terribler than wearing it
A whole existence through

Emily Dickinson

My own written a while ago when I was obsessed with sonnets:

How can a man express his love for thee?
When thou art far from where I must reside.
To write with a pen and paper means a fee;
And behind words one can so easily hide
The feelings that need to be flowing free.
And as time passes tears will be cried,
As whilst waiting, one will think of thee.
But one can one do little for a while,
But sit alone and watch the days fly on by.
Hoping that the next will bring a smile
Rather than yet another lonely sad sigh.
For that day alone I would walk many miles.
But while thou is such a distance away
I must temper each and every passing day.

In this post I've probably contradicted all the principles of the poetry
parrot and mine didn't have a charming story to proceed it (was this
obligatory?), but still I hope that having made an offering I can now hereby
pass the poetry parrot on to....................(struggles from
yawning)......Alex Tobin.

Anyway goodbye for possibly as long as it takes for me to be emancipated
from college or for my friends to find better things to do with their times

Neil (Kadj)

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From: sinister-digest <owner-sinister-digest@Majordomo.net>
To: sinister-digest@Majordomo.net <sinister-digest@Majordomo.net>
Date: 13 October 1999 14:36
Subject: sinister-digest V3 #341

the
there,
the
...
...
other night and they did (quite a fine) cover of 'when you wish upon a
star'. And a Dylan cover as well, He was a friend (of mine?).
Interesting. Does covering a Disney song make you less cool?
I once travelled to Boston, England in a little car, with my
American friend, listening to his greatest hits tape. He was from
California, USA, and lived out of a rucksack, and as such had only
brought this one tape with him. It was a mixture of Bruce
Springsteen and Disney Classics, and he sang along to it all the
way. Um, this is just an anecdote really, I've just realised it doesn't
actually have a point. On the way we passed a town called Elton and
we wished that John had come cos it would have made a funny
photo.
I got some tickets for Nalda Said in Nottingham yesterday
and the girl behind the counter said something to the effect that we
didn't really need them because no-one was going. She was a
moody tart, though. I think she'd missed her vocation in the fish and
chip shop.
Have I ever said how I used to think it was my vocation to be
a vicar? Does anyone else think that people are really made to do
certain jobs and mostly choose the wrong ones? I do. It's like hands
and gloves. I bought some gloves and a hat from an honest market
trader last week, after he convinced me that they were the finest
quality, and selling like hot cakes, guv'nor. The hat was quite nice,
so I bought them. When I got home I found I had been flogged two
left-handed gloves! Honest market trader, my arse! So now I don't
like the hat so much either because it brings back ugly memories of
the gloves.
Steve wrote:
...
anyone lucky enough to be in toronto today got themselves one
honey of a fall day, that is for sure.  boy was it nice.
Gee, Steve, that's the most American sentence I've ever
seen.
Sarah-san wa kawaii desu. Whatever this means, I think it's
probably appropriate.
Oi! Gimme back me apples!
Robin xxx
PS: This email might be full of strange codes at the beginning and
the end. If it is, it's not my fault. We've been given a new email
programme and I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:03:56 +0100
From: "Tim" <tjl@dmu.ac.uk>
Subject: Sinister: spicy chicken curry?
Well this'll be only the second or third time I've posted, and I'm not
really sure why I'm posting now, but as I'm not at work and I've had the
time to read all the emails for once, I thought I'd just waffle for a bit.
No, it is my third time I've posted I'm sure. The second time was to see if
anyone had recorded a live performance by Teenage Fanclub on the evening
session, and some delightful person had done. Nice girl. Can't remember her
name though. Oops.
B and S content: Hmm.....not sure on this one, but I was thinking only
yesterday that I don't really know many people who like Belle and Sebastien
...
apart from people on the internet. Well, maybe not quite true....a couple
of
people at work do, but these are odd scary people who live in like
underground tunnels.
But I did manage to convert my girlfriend to them. Well, to If You're
Feeling Sinister and Tigermilk anyway, as TBWTAS didn't go down too well.
It
was a bit of a struggle mind, as I had to make her leave her Gabrielle and
Whitney Houston cd's alone for a bit. I'm not happy now though, as she's
nicked Grand Prix and HMS Fable off me, and doesn't want to give them back,
so I have to listen to them round her house. She did say I could take the
Marion cd back though. An acquired taste no doubt. But she did buy me The
La's album, and I have her cuddly gorilla. All is not lost.
Lucksmiths albums: I now have some, and they are very good. Don't think
anything else needs to be said about these.
Can anyone help me with trying to find some stuff by Out Of My Hair? I've
only heard two singles (Get Back In The Groove Again and Mr Jones) and
quite
liked them, but can't find anything by them anywhere.
I still like Local Boy In The Photograph by The Stereophonics.
Inbetween the munching on pot noodles and such like on a break, a few of us
were struggling to work out who was cooler. On the on hand there was The
Fonz...Aaiiiieeee, and then there was Hannibal from the A Team taking the
cigar out of his mouth and saying 'I love it when a plan comes together'.
Due to this I have been struggling to sleep over the last few days. Either
that or I haven't really gone to bed.
Anyway
Tim
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:58:37 +0100
From: "Michael Barrett" <Michael.Barrett@adv.sonybpe.com>
Subject: Sinister: Re: hey all!
I think this was meant for all of us...
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Shelly P <spetworth@hotmail.com>
To: <Michael.Barrett@adv.sonybpe.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 1:30 PM
Subject: hey all!
...
just wanted to pass on a good belle and sebastian link...
it's for a rare mp3. does anyone know when this was recorded?
http://www.usounds.com/daily.htm
enjoy!
shelly p
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:21:13 +0100
From: Nick.Dastoor@guardian.co.uk
Subject: Sinister: Is poetry P!A!P!?
Keith wrote some stuff about a great big party at the 13th Note this Fr=
iday for
people who like REAL MUSIC.  Sounds like the new Knebworth.  I can't wa=
it!  I'm
going to Glasgow for a conference this weekend you see, and was wonderi=
ng what
to do with myself.  Now I know.
Helen was wondering about what kind of cool it was to cover a Disney so=
ng.
Well, I don't think it's cool of the 'I don't give a stuff about coolne=
ss'
variety.  Maybe I think too much about these things, but I think if the=
re was a
time for 'serious artists' covering Disney songs being cool, it was sev=
eral
years ago.  There was a compilation called 'Stay Awake' that came out i=
n about
1989, which is a bit patchy but has some real gems and manages to hang =
together
pretty well as a whole.  Sinead O Connor heavy breathes her way through=
'Someday
My Prince Will Come', Tom Waits turns 'Heigh Ho' into an portentous pro=
test
song, and Ringo Starr rounds things off in a kind of White Album 'Goodn=
ight' way
with 'When You Wish Upon A Star'.  It's also got Natalie Merchant, the
Replacements and Los Lobos on it.  And lots of others - I must dig it o=
ut when I
get home.  *Anyway* the point is, it might not have reached covering Ab=
ba
proportions, but I don't think covering Disney songs for 'ooh - aren't =
we
unconcerned about what's cool' kudos (props?) really cuts it.  Too obvi=
ous.
Mind you, covering Abba might be cool in a new 'look, surely we've got =
over the
kitch thing by now - this is just a brilliant song and we want to sing =
it'  way.
In other new, for those who are confused by all this talk of M. Petits =
Pantalons
in the papers, here's the story.  There's been a fair bit of blathering=
in the
media of late because the Poetry Society's National Poetry Day had a po=
ll of
'the nation's favourite pop lyric' as one of its strands.   'Imagine' w=
on,
prompting Peter Hitchens to point out that people can't really have lis=
tened to
the words properly because the utopia it describes sounds to him like '=
bloody
Soviet Russia'.  Anyway, in his capacity as hip-to-the-kids spokesperso=
n at the
Poetry Society, Stevie has been wheeled out to address the public on a =
few
occasions.  For example, in last Thursday's Independent, he mewled as f=
ollows:
07 Oct 1999 Right of Reply: The co-editor of 'The Message: crossing =
the
                 tracks between poetry and pop' replies to David Liste=
r's
                 criticisms of comparisons between pop lyrics and poet=
ry: The
                 Independent
By STEPHEN TROUSSE
DAVID LISTER recently rose above the 'postmodern jumble' of debate arou=
nd
this year's National Poetry Day, and re-asserted critical standards wit=
h the
suggestion: 'Steady on, chaps, some of those Oasis lyrics are a bit rop=
ey,
aren't they?'
Maybe it's the function of the columnist to reduce a complex set of ide=
as to
a quick gag and a bit of moral posturing. But I can't remember anyone e=
ver
suggesting that, say, the Eiffel 65 single should be put on the English=
A-level syllabus alongside Carol Ann Duffy. In fact, part of the point =
of
choosing the theme of this year's National Poetry Day was to open up a
debate that went beyond the tired old face-off between Dylan and Keats =
or
Percy and Pete Shelley. If the notion of the lyric has historical ambig=
uity,
what do the two forms have to learn from each other today?
Should we dismiss song lyrics as juvenile doggerel? I have been co-edit=
ing a
Poetry Society publication mulling over the whole relationship between
poetry and pop, and the issues are far richer than I had imagined.
Lister suggests that poets are deluding themselves by claiming pop star=
s as
brothers and sisters. But for those of us who are curious about the lif=
e of
language and the pulse of culture, it seems perfectly sensible to consi=
der
the new Magnetic Fields CD in the context of New York School poetry. Fo=
r
Lister, who seems to have given up on pop music around 1972, this may s=
eem
to be a postmodern jumble. But maybe the real issue here is who gets to=
police the borders between high and low culture.
Marc Bolan once said that 'the pop song should be a spell'. A lot of th=
e
time it doesn't even give us cheap magic.
But if there's one thing this National Poetry Day has shown, it's that =
the
form still has the capacity to infuriate and delight and start argument=
s.
IND
Comment 2
The Independent
Copyright (C) Newspaper Publishing Plc, 1988-1997
See how casually the prankster manages to slip a gratuitous reference t=
o the
Magnetic Fields into a national newspaper!  Personally, I think it's hi=
gh time
we got around to considering Belle & Sebastian in the context of Glasgo=
w School
poetry.  Or Playgroup poetry.  Sadly, Stevie then got a bit a kicking f=
rom
Charlotte Raven in her weekly column in Tuesday's  Guardian.  I think s=
he
pictures him as a bit of a precious poetry ponce with a perpetual sniff=
le.
Which he isn't, of course.
'How Dylan hoaxed the poets'
On pop and the profound
Charlotte Raven
Tuesday October 12, 1999
A great many girls must have voted in last weekend's BBC poll to find t=
he
nation's favourite song lyric. I was surprised by the results, announce=
d on
Saturday, because women tend to think that the kind of music they like =
is, by
definition, crap and are therefore inclined to leave the qualitative as=
sessments
to the "people who know better" - ie men.
This self-denying ordinance has given men the freedom to define the cla=
ssic
song. List after tedious list is produced without reference to pop's pr=
imary
consumers - a fact which might go some way to explaining why profundity=
rather
than pleasure is the sine qua non of a classic, and why a song that pro=
mpts
website discussions about its meaning is likely to win hands down over =
something
that wears its significance more lightly.
There are numerous websites devoted to Bohemian Rhapsody. Almost 25 yea=
rs after
the song's release, people are swapping theses on the origins of "scara=
mouche"
and correcting each other's spelling of "bismillah". Having visited a f=
ew of
these, I am now even prouder than ever of the girls who so unblushingly=
suggested that Robbie Williams' Angels is the best song ever written. T=
heir
uncharacteristic faith in their own convictions lent a slightly surreal=
quality
to the nation's favorite lyric debate. Unprepared as they must have bee=
n for
Angels to come in second - ahead of Bohemian Rhapsody, ahead of Yesterd=
ay, I am
the Walrus and every other Beatles song - the BBC seemed somewhat embar=
rassed.
Lavishing praise on Imagine, which it considered a "deserving winner", =
it
sounded a note of caution over the rest of the list. Anxious to reassur=
e us that
this didn't mean that Angels was good, it emphasised the list's democra=
cy and
praised the British public's "enormously wide tastes in music".
Presumably, this wouldn't have been necessary if Angels had come in 44t=
h and
Queen had performed more respectably. For all its many faults, Bohemian=
Rhapsody
is still allowed the dignity of being thought of as a proper song. At l=
east it
has some ambition, runs the argument. At least it goes the distance. An=
d at
least it addresses big themes such as life, death, birth, death, life a=
nd
fandangos. Angels has nothing to say about fandangos and must therefore=
be
dismissed as disposable. It wouldn't be considered for inclusion in the=
Poetry
Society's canon of "poetic" (for which read good) pop lyrics. Like the =
BBC the
society was keen to distinguish its elevation of a certain kind of pop =
song from
the impulse which gave Williams his trophy.
Having said from the outset that it wanted to move the debate "beyond t=
he tired
old face-off between Dylan and Keats" it was then faced with the proble=
m of
finding someone else it approved of.
Michael Stipe was mentioned, but not very loudly. The poetry community,=
if such
a thing exists, generally seemed more concerned with defending itself a=
gainst
imagined accusations of dumbing down. "I can't remember anyone suggesti=
ng that,
say, the Eiffel 65 single should be put on the A-level syllabus alongsi=
de Carol
Ann Duffy," wrote Stephen Trousse, concerned to firm-up the boundaries =
he had
only so recently blurred. Any remaining confusion was cleared up by And=
rew
Motion who declared that most pop lyrics are "repetitive and banal" and=
only
worth discussing en route to the more interesting question of what exac=
tly makes
Bob Dylan an "exception to this general rule". So Keats versus Dylan it=
was
then.
As the muse-a-thon got underway, it quickly became clear - as it always=
does -
that this was no high-low debate. Motion hates popular culture and Dyla=
n is only
accepted because, in spite of his popularity, he has dealt with enough =
fandangos
to be thought of as a serious artist. That is to say that the least app=
ealing
bits of his oeuvre are replete with cod enigmas, rich in impenetrable i=
mages and
stuffed to overflowing with big themes. When you are 15, all that crap =
about
four-legged forest clouds and curfew gulls sounds deep. Dylan's great s=
kill - in
his worst work - is to manage to imply profundity while placing the onu=
s on his
audience to ride with it, or admit their stupidity. It never occurred t=
o me
until recently that lines I knew off by heart were elaborate, well-wrou=
ght
hoaxes.
It's easy to see why Dylan is Motion's hero. In a piece he wrote some t=
ime ago,
he described how the death of his mother had caused him to look to poet=
ry as a
way to address a number of "unanswerable questions". These were: What i=
s self?
How is it made? Is the weight of love as great as the fact of death? Ad=
mitting
that he didn't know (all) the answers (yet) Motion resolved, at that mo=
ment, to
approach them by "indirection". The resulting "poetics" could therefore=
claim
the kudos of confronting big issues head on, while always deferring del=
ivery of
the point. This certainly made life much easier since Motion, like Dyla=
n, has
been able to divert attention away from his interpretive ineptitude by =
focusing
on the sunlight and the hedgerows rather than the matter in hand. In hi=
s TUC
poem, he describes a walk he took along the Thames. We hear about the b=
reeze,
the dust, the clouds, the water, the buttery sun and all manner of othe=
r natural
wonders. Motion doubtless wants us to assume that these images are preg=
nant with
significance, relating to the theme of liberty mentioned en passant tow=
ards the
end. I will probably be accused of literalmindedness, but I couldn't ma=
ke the
connection. Motion's buttery sun, like Dylan's grey flannel dwarf, is a=
n image
with nothing behind it. Both evoke depth yet neither can fulfill its pr=
omises.
No wonder he doesn't like pop music. In spite of various brushes with e=
veryday
subject matter (he recently wrote a poem about a passport queue) Motion=
is on
the side of fandangos. The straightforwardness of proper pop music must=
sound to
him, rather facile. All that "love me do" and "let me be" and "be with =
me" - all
those little feelings expressed with such economy. "I met him on a Mond=
ay and my
heart stood still" - a phrase which, like the best pop lyrics, surrende=
rs its
meaning without the aid of a dictionary, a degree or an online discussi=
on. This
modesty - the fact that it has no need for indirection - has always mad=
e the
genre look slight. Few would claim that Depeche Mode's delightful "I ju=
st can't
get enough" - currently revived on the Gap ads, is in any sense a moder=
n
classic. "When I'm with you baby, I go out of my head" is not what you =
might
call poetic.
But if poetry means describing the boat masts when one of your friends =
is dying
(as Motion does in his poem about Hughes) or Dylan's masked ball of cha=
racters,
or a thousand permutations of bismillah - I'd rather take the low road =
and leave
the scenic route to them.
=A9 Guardian Newspapers Limited 1999
I hope this has been of interest.  Bye now.
Nick xxx
=
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