hello, good afternoon, hello, I will, first of all, voice my agreement with idleberry on the complete shutdown of the scottish summer; I don't think it ever even started here, but I might have missed it that one day in May when I went to England, so I better not say anything without proof. Don't want to be accused of basing my comments on any unsound facts - if we all took notice of ken's style of scientific reasoning, the world would be a better place. Archel mentioned the diceman, I completely empathise with her feelings; the book makes you feel a loathing for the diceman, and you feel completely detached from him and his lifestyle, but still you find yourself thinking "hmmm...". How easy would it be to let somebody/something else make all your decisions for you? Of course, you'd have to get rid of your conscience first. I vote we all try it out on saturday, see where the dice takes us.... or not. Archel also mentioned seagulls - I live FAR too close to a huge nesting place of seagulls in the middle of a city, and it's the only time in my life I've ever considered mass murder with a blunt instrument. If anyone has any suggestions on instruments that could possibly be used, please email me... they're city seagulls, probably quite streetwise, so they may well be wise to the baking soda trick. I've tried shouting at them to shut up, I've even tried playing them some nice music, but it's not working. Give me pet sounds over seagull sounds anyday, archel. On the whole subject of indie fascists: peter carter said this: "with cliques come behaviour pattens. People who choose > to > > dress and certain way, or listen to a certain kind of music tend to share > > common traits. This is the essence of cliquedom, and why, if you actually > > dig a bit deeper than the obvious, they are neccesary." (except maybe without all the arrows and in a slightly more flowing style) He also said: "They could have an idea about you though. Don't you choose the clothes you

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wear in order to reflect how you feel, and the values you relate to? Personally I've never worn flares or a duffel coat in my life, and I never will, but the doesn't mean I wouldn't recognise that I might have more in common with someone who did..."

and he ALSO said: " There seems to be a disturbing number of 'indie' people claiming they

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like one, and only one, bad pop band in order to prove they aren't pretentious. These people are almost always the most pretentious."

I say "yay" to ALL of that. Ken Chu said: "I have met some people in the "indie rock scene" who have struck me as being pretentious, but not any more than people in any other "scene" " and I say "yay" to this as well. In regards to ken's other comments about pulling and suchlike, I'll be selling my new "prime genetic material" t-shirts, so make sure you bring plenty of spare cash along....pulling made easy!! People generally think that certain other people on the same 'scene' as them are pretentious and snobby, because they've never spoken to them (I said generally, not always). In my experience, this seems to happen a lot, because a fair proportion of the 'indie' people I've known have been shy, and maybe think that other people are somehow cooler or more 'indie' than them. I know this because I was like that a few years back. Then you start to speak to people through other things, not knowing they're involved in any sort of scene, and then find out at some point that they're actually one of those people you always thought didn't speak to you because you weren;t cool enough for them. You realise that they're actually every bit as shy and retiring as you, they weren't being snobby or aloof, they were just as scared to speak to you as you were to them. Yes, there are some dickheads who ARE actually snobs, and DO think they're cooler than you, but they're the exception rather than the rule. So make indie love, not war. or something.... On a brighter note, I will be coming to saturday's picnic, and as I've only ever met one person on this list, I'm suitably excited. I'm staying at La Casa de Priscila, so hopefully that means I'll get first dibs on the strawberries and cream. I'll be the one with red pants and strawberry-stained hands. And tigermilking sounds like damn good fun. love lyns --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using DISS Web Mail. http://www.abdn.ac.uk/local/mailman/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+