From psm at xxx.net Wed Aug 27 12:23:26 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:23:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: New mailing list Message-ID: David Kitchen has prepared people for a change in the mailing list - this note is to tell you it has now happened! Everyone one the belleandsebastian list has now been automatically added to the new list run by myself called "Sinister" (because it's easier to spell). You'll find full details of the list at http://www.majordomo.net/sinister and a text version of this information is below. Very quickly what you now need to do to send a message is send to: sininister at majordomo.net That's it. Hopefully the service level and speed of the new list will be an improvement! Paul psm at majordomo.net --------------------- Sinister Mailing List The Sinister mailing list was setup by Honey in August 1997 to assist David Kitchen's efforts to create information about the band Belle and Sebastian - David and Katrina's site is available for more comprehensive info on the band and merchandise etc. The mailing list was originally set up via a public service list provider but the service, speed and flexibility just wasn't good enough. Hopefully this will be a bit better. Honourable mentions must also go to duke, Andrew Dean (who has a spiffing B&S site), Stuart David (who runs the excellent band members' site and I talked to in the early days of setting up this list) and others who assisted at the start of this list including my mate Linda. The information here isn't supposed to provide much about the band themselves, and will never become a fully-fledged WWW resource on B&S - see the other pages above for that. This also isn't an FAQ for the band themselves - hopefully one will be available soon. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joining The List Here's the quick answer: send a message to majordomo at majordomo.net with the text "subscribe sinister" in the body of the message. That's it - you should get a confirmation email. But please read the information below when you get a minute (a copy will be sent to you when yousubscribe). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mailing List Archive An archive of the current week's mailings to the list is available here. Previous weeks' mailings can be seen by ploughing through the directory structure via this link - sorry it's all a bit messy at the moment but I will tidy it up soon hopefully. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mailing List FAQ 1. How do I subscribe/unsubscribe from Sinister? There are two addresses you need to remember to use the list: sinister at majordomo.net - this is the address to send messages to everyone on the list. Everything sent here goes to everyone. You use this address everytime you want to mail information to the list. majordomo at majordomo.net - this is where you send mailing list requests i.e. subscribe/unsubscribes. Messages sent here don't go to the list but perform certain commands - they should be sent in the body of your message (i.e. first line) and not the subject line. To subscribe to the list you need to send the following command: subscribe sinister and equally unsubscribe sinister to get off the list. If this doesn't work then it may mean that your mail program is sending out your email address in a slightly different format than before (maybe you changed programs). In this case try unsubscribe sinister your-email-address If you ever get really stuck then just send a personal message to sinister-owner at majordomo.net This gets through to a person i.e. me and I can sort it out but please try the automatic method first. Please remember never to send unsubscribe requests to the list itself (i.e. sinister at majordomo.net) but always to majordomo at majordomo.net!!! 2. Can I tell who is on the list? Yes, just send the command who sinister to majordomo at majordomo.net Equally you can get some info on the list be sending info sinister but you'll probably just get the same as you're reading here. 3. I only just joined the list, can I see what's previously been sent? Yes there is an archive available on the WWW. Just point your browser to: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister (this page at the top if you are at the WWW site already). 4. I'm getting fed up with all these messages, can I get them all together sometime instead? Yes, instead of subscribing to "sinister" you need to subscribe to "sinister-digest". This is a summarised version of the list every few days or so. Just follow the same rules as above, so just send the message: subscribe sinister-digest to: majordomo at majordomo.net Remember if you are changing to the digest to unsubscribe from the standard list. 5. Brilliant! I can advertise my new band/floor cleaner/hygiene product to everyone on the list now! Please please please don't abuse the list (well OK you can say it's crap but you know what I mean). Anyone who consistently and unashamedly sends adverts to the list will be banned! 6. So why can't anyone out there send any old junk to the list? Because you can only send to the list if you are a member (hopefully). 7. So what can we talk about on the list? Well we'll play this by ear for now, but anything vaguely connected with the band is OK. I may step in if we get a long long conversation about something interesting to only a tiny minority of the list - some people pay handsomely for their email and would not be pleased to receive a thousand messages about an obscure band from Wigan who once sounded a bit like the intro to one of B&S's songs. Please try and be sensitive to the majority of listeners. Pet theories about whether Elvis is a cat or indeed a brussel sprout are however tolerated for a long time because they amuse your list administrator. Another rule: DO NOT FLAME PEOPLE OR BE ABUSIVE! I take this very seriously and will act accordingly - too many mailing lists have been ruined by arrogance or a quick temper by people who consider themselves "real fans" - a pathetic term. This mailing list is setup for everyone, especially new enthusiastic listeners who do not need to be abused and belittled. Please be helpful and if you can't think of anything nice to say go and do a jigsaw. Anyone who is consistently a real pain will be permanently removed. 8. Who provides this list? Who says I can't do what I want on it? The resources to run this list are provided by my employer and it is not a guaranteed public service - I will do whatever is necessary to ensure its continued existence. Hopefully (sorry Stuart) B&S won't become quite as popular as Take That so I will be able to keep it going on borrowed resources - but if it impacted too much I might have to withdraw it one day. To ensure it continues therefore it isn't a public resource in quite the same way a newsgroup is. So please be nice. 9. Why bother? FAQs like this are usually formal and stuffy affairs so a personal note: I am a grumpy thirty-something who still refuses to listen to Eric Clapton or moan how good music was when he was 16 - it's hard though when we're surrounded by so much mediocrity, but we shouldn't kid ourselves it was any different 15 years ago. But when I heard Belle and Sebastian I jumped for joy at a band with genuine musical sense, charm, toughness and POPness. So this is still all about music. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Finally remember if you get really stuck with the list mail me at: sinister-owner at majordomo.net and if that doesn't work something's really wrong - you'd better try my real address at: psm at majordomo.net Honey 24th August 1997 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Wed Aug 27 14:02:01 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:02:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: wondering References: <34046323.67F5@uk22p.bull.co.uk> Message-ID: <34042549.6DFAB166@virgin.net> A. Dean wrote: > > yep, seems to work. er, sorry to clutter up the archive like that. > feel > free to delete it. and this one. > > does this mean we're going live today? > > i'll shut up now. > > andy nope, it means we just went live! you caught us off guard with that message, but at least it kicked us into order :) and now's not the time to shut up! we probably should think of a topic of conversation or something... hmmm, I feel lost for words already. The winner of the tape of rare stuff for the most posts on the Cool List list is Alistair a.k.a. "Duke of Haringey". If you mail me your address duke I'll send you the tape. A similiar compo will be run long term on this list, we don't have another different tape, but may do in a month or two, so the winner will be declared before xmas (scarily closer than you think). In the meanwhile another compo? Any ideas anyone, I've got possible prizes! Regards David Kitchen -- ************************************************************** http://freespace.virgin.net/d.kitchen/Bluesoda.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From initgrl at xxx.org Wed Aug 27 14:48:45 1997 From: initgrl at xxx.org (jj heldmann) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: the sessions at west 54th Message-ID: Does anyone know when the B&S PBS show will be broadcast? I assume its taped for future broadcast right? Now I've just got to figure out which of the three PBS stations here show it... xo jj ******************************************** fantastic po box 4492 ann arbor mi 48106 usa www.mindspring.com/~initialgirl/fantastic ******************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Wed Aug 27 15:04:58 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:04:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: New EP Message-ID: Is there any news yet of when we can hear the new single on the radio? Oh, and I presume that the address you gave us for the new mailing list was spelt wrong ("sininister at ...")... Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Aug 27 15:29:49 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:29:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: New EP (fwd) Message-ID: Yes of course it was a typo. You prepare for a change for two weeks and then mess up at the last minute. You know how it is. I'm even going to go and change it in the archive to make sure people don't make the same mistake. Just to reiterate the correct address to send to is: sinister at majordomo.net Sorry... Paul ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:04:58 +0100 From: Stuart Gardiner To: 'B&S mailing list' Subject: Sinister: New EP Oh, and I presume that the address you gave us for the new mailing list was spelt wrong ("sininister at ...")... Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Wed Aug 27 15:30:37 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:30:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: New EP References: Message-ID: <34043A0D.DAF2738B@virgin.net> Stuart Gardiner wrote: > > Is there any news yet of when we can hear the new single on the radio? > > Oh, and I presume that the address you gave us for the new mailing > list > was spelt wrong ("sininister at ...")... > > Stuart G The single will be released on the 6th October (I think) and will only be given to radio's a week or so before it's release. The last release was a mess and the radios had generally stopped playing it by the time it came out, this time they're not having it until roughly the same time as everyone else. The radio session will be on the evening session around the same time! Regards David -- ************************************************************** http://freespace.virgin.net/d.kitchen/Bluesoda.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 15:34:14 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:34:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: wondering References: <34046323.67F5@uk22p.bull.co.uk> <34042549.6DFAB166@virgin.net> Message-ID: <34043AE6.BB6A28D3@mcmail.com> > nope, it means we just went live! > you caught us off guard with that message, but at least it kicked us > into order :) oooh, a new list :-) so does this mean no more 'missing' posts?! Actually, one question; when I pressed the Reply button, my mail program automatically put David & Katrina in theTo: field instead of sinister at ... , this could get quite annoying if it means remembering to substitute the list address every time... are other people getting this? Is it because there isn't a reply-to line giving the list address? > and now's not the time to shut up! we probably should think of a topic > > of conversation or something... hmmm, I feel lost for words already. have we exhausted the dog/cat debate then? Any speculations as to what material the jumper in LLPJ was made of? :-) ...no, I'll get me fake fur coat... well, for a start, would anyone care to clarify the nature of "The State I Am In" on the first EP for a simpleton with only the two singles? Is it a demo version or the 'real' thing? > In the meanwhile another compo? Any ideas anyone, I've got possible > prizes! Ooh, with promises like that you shouldn't be asking us, we might come up with suggestions we'd be specially good at ... Could be a specific thing rather than 'how many posts' or whatever... something creative, I'm sure the band would approve of that....... Love Kate xxx "Now I'm still a boy..." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From geoff.burgerman4 at xxx.net Wed Aug 27 16:42:05 1997 From: geoff.burgerman4 at xxx.net (.j 0n) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:42:05 +0000 Subject: Sinister: first message on a new list Message-ID: <199708271449.PAA01350@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> ----------------------------------------- my ceiling is covered with dead things bits of spider fly and wasp. i stand on my bed and squash them with a book when i am cross. on my wall some wasps are mounted with red paint pretending to be blood and green to be the juice. they are up there as a warning; 'i will tolerate no abuse' the other day a daddy long legs was dancing round my light i missed with a rubber band it began to show some fight. when chasing a moving foe here's a tip i think you should know grab a can of bodyspray to keep the insect pest at bay. in my haste i picked up 'hair in a can' i got it in a corner and pressed down firm and gave mr long legs a hendrix perm purple haze and out of sight it zipped through the window and into the night. .j 0n ------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Aug 27 16:02:13 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:02:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: re: wondering In-Reply-To: <34043AE6.BB6A28D3@mcmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Kate Dornan wrote: > oooh, a new list :-) so does this mean no more 'missing' posts?! > Actually, one question; when I pressed the Reply button, my mail program > automatically put David & Katrina in theTo: field instead of > sinister at ... , this could get quite annoying if it means remembering to > substitute the list address every time... are other people getting this? > Is it because there isn't a reply-to line giving the list address? I wasn't going to participate much in this just run it..! Yes, Kate, your keen eyes have spotted a "feature" - the Reply-To: isn't set and the default is to reply back to sender. The main reason is because it is generally seen as bad practice to do this, although it's quite widespread - see for instance http://www.unicom.com/FAQ/reply-to-harmful.html The reason for this isn't petty technical completeness but because it can cause very real problems - only in the last month my mailbox was filled with 900 copies of the same error message caused by a badly constructed mail program at the receiving end by someone on the list - some of the bigger corporations just don't abide by standard Internet mailing rules and their programs send errors back to the Reply-To field, which go back to the list and via the list back to the offending machine and... you can imagine. For people picking up their mail via dial-up I can only imagine the nightmares this would cause. Many people see the Reply-To field as a way of forcing something that people may not want - some people will only *want* to reply to the sender, e.g. can anyone sell me Tigermilk?" :) Also some mail programs will ignore the Reply-To anyway. And others will see more headers and give a choice... So I've made the most conservative choice and the safest one, but it does mean you will have to type the mail address if you want to reply to the *list*. Hope this explains why and doesn't lead to a protracted discussion... Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 17:12:13 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:12:13 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199708271504.QAA17827@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> >I've just recieved an Email which tells me that according to the record >trades mailout B+S have an Album out in November in addition to the EP >anyone got any more info ?? Belle & Sebby recorded the following tracks a while ago for the new album: Slow Grafitti A Summer Wasting Simple Things Is It Wicked Not To Care Seymore Styne Sleep the Clock Around Rollercoaster Ride Tigermilk (Instrumental) Ease Your Feet in The Sea >the new single is Centuary of Fakers apperently and it's out >september 15th. The new ep is called '3,6,8 Seconds of Light' and should feature Le Pastie De La Bourgeousie Century Of Fakers .......and probably two of the following: Put The Book Back On The Shelf Beautiful Rhoda (what happened to this being on the dow ep?) Songs For Children The Lonliness Of The Middle Distance Runner John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 17:12:11 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:12:11 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap Message-ID: <199708271504.QAA17820@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> I sent this to the old list this morning, but I have not received it back, so I'm trying the new list. Sorry if you get it sent twice... To anybody interested: Arab Strap (previous support band for B&S) are playing live on the Mary Ann Hobbs show, on Radio 1 tonight. Honey - who are you? :) I don't recall the name from any messages on the old list. How about an introduction, if you have not done one yet? Cheers,. John. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Wed Aug 27 17:53:37 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:53:37 GMT Subject: Sinister: Allow me to introduce myself... Message-ID: Hi! My name is Klas Ericsson, I´m 22 and from Gothenburg in Sweden where I´m studying at the university to become a journalist. I´m also one of three behind the fanzine STATE of pop (which is a rather silly name, I know:-)). We´ve been featuring interviews with bands as Mojave 3, Red House Painters and more, if someone´s interested... I first heard of Belle And Sebastian in Alistair Fitchetts Tangent-ezine and in the Swedish fanzine Gospel. Two such great sources could not be wrong, so around february or so I got my copy of "If you´re feeling..." on import. And I loved it and just kept on loving it, and then I loved "Dog On Wheels" too and then I made an email interview with Stuart David to my fanzine and here I am now. That´s basically it. In two weeks time I´m going to New York with my girlfriend and we´re hoping to get tickets to at least one of two Belle And Sebastians shows at Angel-Orensanz Foundation over there. Is there any american fans out there who knows how to get them? Would be very happy to get information about it... Well, nice to be here Best wishes, Klas Ericsson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Aug 27 16:41:37 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:41:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap In-Reply-To: <199708271504.QAA17820@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, John Stuart wrote: > To anybody interested: > Arab Strap (previous support band for B&S) are playing live on the Mary Ann > Hobbs show, on Radio 1 tonight. > > Honey - who are you? :) I don't recall the name from any messages > on the old list. How about an introduction, if you have not done one yet? Someone who also really likes Arab Strap too so this is much appreciated! Hmm well there's a couple of embarrassing sentences on the mailing list web page, but suffice to say I work at the University of Edinburgh, fell in love with B&S when I heard "Sinister" and spent some time wondering whether I should set up a mailing list. In fact I spent so long that David Kitchen did it as Stuart David pointed out, but it turned out that it wasn't working well. So this is an attempt to make it better - we'll see. Other than that I spend most of my money on lots of different music, and am one of these thirty-somethings who doesn't think music is crap these days. Once in a while a band doesn't get off my CD player and B&S took over from Tindersticks. Paul and Linda have two cats called Splat and Shirl and if they get another they will probably call it Elvis. Oh, and I'm not the guy who invented the hair products. I get mail every two months from someone in the States asking if they can sell my conditioner or shampoo - honestly. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 17:00:55 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:00:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:Kate Dornan new topic thing. Message-ID: <01BCB30A.E39A0CE0@host5-99-55-87.btinternet.com> The Dog/cat debate wasn't exhausted. I believe we concluded that Elvis was in fact a dog, but could have been a cat also. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From escossia at xxx.br Wed Aug 27 16:08:05 1997 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo Augusto) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:08:05 -0200 Subject: Sinister: New album !!!! Message-ID: <16080538001514@secrel.com.br> At 16:12 27/08/97 +0000, you wrote: Any news about "that compilation" ????? Any news about the (re)release of *Tigermilk* ? (Why not (re)release ????) Thanks in advance Ivo Augusto >>I've just recieved an Email which tells me that according to the record >>trades mailout B+S have an Album out in November in addition to the EP >>anyone got any more info ?? > >Belle & Sebby recorded the following tracks a while ago for the new album: > >Slow Grafitti >A Summer Wasting >Simple Things >Is It Wicked Not To Care >Seymore Styne >Sleep the Clock Around >Rollercoaster Ride >Tigermilk (Instrumental) >Ease Your Feet in The Sea > >The new ep is called '3,6,8 Seconds of Light' and should feature >Le Pastie De La Bourgeousie >Century Of Fakers > >.......and probably two of the following: >Put The Book Back On The Shelf >Beautiful >Rhoda (what happened to this being on the dow ep?) >Songs For Children >The Lonliness Of The Middle Distance Runner > > > >John S. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aeos at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 17:20:17 1997 From: aeos at xxx.com (A Lad Woven In Slur) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:20:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap Message-ID: <199708271621.RAA02626@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> > To anybody interested: > Arab Strap (previous support band for B&S) are playing live on the Mary Ann > Hobbs show, on Radio 1 tonight. I've heard about Arab Strap, but thought they were slightly more...um....drum 'n' bass -y than they obviously are. I'll certainly give it a listen - but what kind of band are they? And thanks and well done Paul for getting this new list set up. All together: Hip hip....... * * * * * * * Andrew O'Sullivan aeos at dial.pipex.com http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan "Nobody knows the way it's going to be" * * * * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aeos at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 17:22:41 1997 From: aeos at xxx.com (A Lad Woven In Slur) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:22:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap, Important notice Message-ID: <199708271621.RAA02319@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> > To anybody interested: > Arab Strap (previous support band for B&S) are playing live on the Mary Ann > Hobbs show, on Radio 1 tonight. I've heard about Arab Strap, but thought they were slightly more...um....drum 'n' bass -y than they obviously are. I'll certainly give it a listen - but what kind of band are they? And on that note - nobody should be denied the opportunity of hearing them, so I'll tell the world THE VERVE ARE ON THE EVENING SESSION TONIGHT [it starts 6.30] AND YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE TO MISS IT! For yes, we like The Verve. We think they're good. And thanks and well done Paul for getting this new list set up. All together: Hip hip....... * * * * * * * Andrew O'Sullivan aeos at dial.pipex.com http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan "Nobody knows the way it's going to be" * * * * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bwret at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 17:20:32 1997 From: bwret at xxx.com (Alex Ward) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: if you're feeling eclectic: intro Message-ID: there is something strangely unsettling this morning. True, the California sunshine bathes us in bright upon bright as if it feels obligated. People seem to be happy. We have money in our pockets and tunes in our heads. But B&S won't come to visit me, and until this is settled, I think I'll continue feeling like there's a penny in my shoe. At least I've found this list, which seems to have many interesting spirits on board. For the record, I wank at a computer company by day. I dj drum and bass at night but come from a pop background, stealing old donovan records from my british dad who won't have any of it anymore. Anything with a melody and a mood will please me: Spacemen, Smiths, Galaxy, Velvets. Nice to hear mention of the Go-betweens:) Any flying nun fans out there? -alex ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aadam at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 17:36:01 1997 From: aadam at xxx.com (Aadam 'It's a miracle I'm still alive' Jacobs) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:36:01 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Greetings Message-ID: <34045771.79D0@interaccess.com> A useless post To give a toast To the new list The old one won't be missed. Thanks Paul Aadam ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Wed Aug 27 17:55:37 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: Track Stars In-Reply-To: <199708271504.QAA17827@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Message-ID: hmmm... I wonder which of the Belles or Sebastians did a turn for school track, or perhaps just a subject casually cast into the spotlight? > The Lonliness Of The Middle Distance Runner > Stars of Track and Field hmmm... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Wed Aug 27 17:58:49 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Allow me to introduce myself... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Klas, I must say it has been quite frustrating acquiring tickets for the Belle and Sebastian show in NYC. In fact, both shows are sold out, much to the dismay of me and my friends. Perhaps we will see you outside the venue on the look out for kindly souls who will supply us with extra tix... > In two weeks time I�m going to New York with my girlfriend and we�re hoping > to get tickets to at least one of two Belle And Sebastians shows at > Angel-Orensanz Foundation over there. > Is there any american fans out there who knows how to get them? Would be > very happy to get information about it... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Aug 27 18:23:40 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:23:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:Kate Dornan new topic thing. References: <01BCB30A.E39A0CE0@host5-99-55-87.btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3404629C.88A96C4C@mail.zynet.co.uk> Chris Stack wrote: > The Dog/cat debate wasn't exhausted. I believe > we concluded that Elvis was in fact a dog, but > could have been a cat also. hmmm, i do believe we decided to the contrary, that elvis was in fact a cat but might, if you were a bit odd, be a dog :-) Come on, show of hands: dog or cat? the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike.newman at xxx.net Wed Aug 27 18:34:11 1997 From: mike.newman at xxx.net (Mike Newman) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:34:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: A new list - a lurker de-lurks... Message-ID: Hi everyone. I'll admit to being a long time lurker on the old list (any prize for the LEAST posts?), but a new list seems like a good time to 'out' myself. So, I'm Mike, 24yrs old, from Somerset. I was desperately losing interest in music until I got hold on "if you're feeling sinister" this spring. I haven't heard anything that compares since, but it has gotten me interested in music all over again. I'm afraid I'll probably end up returning to lurk mode right away, but if I should be suitably stirred to post, at least you'll know who I am! You've been warned! --------------------------------------------------------- Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bwret at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 18:47:04 1997 From: bwret at xxx.com (Alex Ward) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: re:Kate Dornan new topic thing. In-Reply-To: <3404629C.88A96C4C@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, duke of harringay wrote: > > hmmm, i do believe we decided to the contrary, > that elvis was in fact a cat but might, if you > were a bit odd, be a dog :-) > > Come on, show of hands: dog or cat? I still do impudently cast my vote for brocolli... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 19:13:00 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:13:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap References: <199708271621.RAA02626@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <34046E2C.63658428@mcmail.com> **Testing "reply to all recipients" option in lieu of Reply-to feature: please notify me of errors*** > I've heard about Arab Strap, but thought they were slightly > more...um....drum 'n' bass -y than they obviously are. I'll certainly > give > it a listen - but what kind of band are they? Have you heard the last weekend or whatever it was called? As I remember it was quite good on the radio, but I suppose it might get annoying after a while... it was a spoken word thing that was, as was widely remarked, a bit Trainspottingesque... I also remember reading a review of their album which said it was quite gloomy Scottish guitar music, not that that helps much. Go on someone, tell me I've made an embarassing mistake now and got the wrong band......... Hey, A Lad, re: the Verve and your eager promotion of them.Is it them that did that song with the fab strings? (da-da-daa, da-da-daa...) They play that at Poptastic quite a lot and I usually end up dancing to it, and I have a feeling someone told me it was the Verve... > And thanks and well done Paul for getting this new list set up. > > All together: Hip hip....... hooray!!!!!!!! Yours smiling at becoming part of a (different from this one) recurrent subject line, Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From samiam2 at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 20:11:11 1997 From: samiam2 at xxx.com (Sam Khater) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:11:11 -0500 Subject: Sinister: if you're feeling eclectic: intro References: Message-ID: <34047BCF.73C8@ix.netcom.com> A Galaxie 500 fan? Those are few and far between. Too bad they are so obscure in the States. The new Luna album is pretty good. Flying Nun too? The last Chills album wasn't bad, not as good as their previous one though. Does anyone know if b&s are coming to DC? Sam NP: 'ooh you've got green eyes, you've got blue eyes' by New Order Alex Ward wrote: > > > there is something strangely unsettling this morning. True, the California > sunshine bathes us in bright upon bright as if it feels obligated. People > seem to be happy. We have money in our pockets and tunes in our heads. > > But B&S won't come to visit me, and until this is settled, I think I'll > continue feeling like there's a penny in my shoe. > > At least I've found this list, which seems to have many interesting spirits > on board. > > For the record, I wank at a computer company by day. I dj drum and bass at > night but come from a pop background, stealing old donovan records from my > british dad who won't have any of it anymore. Anything with a melody and a > mood will please me: Spacemen, Smiths, Galaxy, Velvets. > > Nice to hear mention of the Go-betweens:) Any flying nun fans out there? > > -alex > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . 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For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 19:21:43 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:21:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Track Stars References: Message-ID: <34047037.67D1A12B@mcmail.com> > hmmm... > > I wonder which of the Belles or Sebastians did a turn for school > track, or > perhaps just a subject casually cast into the spotlight? > > > The Lonliness Of The Middle Distance Runner > > Stars of Track and Field > > hmmm... Hey, there's our new topic! spot the recurrent themes!!! Mind you, haven't we all done a bit of ill-advised school athletics sometime in our lives? :) (usually before the age of 16, obviously..hehehe) P.S. Elvis is most definitely that key found on most keyboards with a hatch on the bottom and the squiggly thing used for user names in URLs on the top. So there. Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aeos at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 19:51:40 1997 From: aeos at xxx.com (A Lad Woven In Slur) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:51:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Arrest this man! Message-ID: <199708271849.TAA03097@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> > Oh, and I'm not the guy who invented the hair products. I get mail every > two months from someone in the States asking if they can sell my > conditioner > or shampoo - honestly. Oh but that's nothing. There's nothing I enjoy more than reading through the top-secret finance details of some O'Sullivan company, which some kind soul takes it upon themselves to email to me. It's when they start inviting me to executive lunches and golfing parties in Surrey that I get a little worried. * * * * * * * Andrew O'Sullivan aeos at dial.pipex.com http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan "Nobody knows the way it's going to be" * * * * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Wed Aug 27 20:15:07 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: Track Stars In-Reply-To: <34047037.67D1A12B@mcmail.com> Message-ID: Urmm. Track and Field. I was advised prior to my first days of High School to join X-Country because it was a "good opportunity to meet people". I did meet people, but no lasting friendships; I didn't really want to meet other people who had also joined for the same reasons as I. But my track career was something of a macguffin--neither fast enough for sprinting, nor stamina enough for long distance, I fell into middle distance (400m). Retro-prophecy indeed. and that is my track and field career in two paragraphs or less. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 20:24:58 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:24:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Track Stars References: Message-ID: <34047F0A.8275C5FC@mcmail.com> > Urmm. Track and Field. oh well, if we're starting... I went to cross country once, but ended up half collapsing due to the fact I went there straight from my sick bed. Bad idea. Apart from that I was once a 400m runner like yerself (well, when i say i was one, I did it twice in the Interform- once I dropped out halfway through, once I won by miles)...aside from that the only exercise I get is dancing around madly to pop records in nasty clubs............. there you are, I'm sure someone could write a song about that. Entitled "The Lazy Gits Of Chewed Up Tracks And Dog S**t Encrusted Fields." Oh, it's been done? :) Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Aug 27 20:59:32 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:59:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Track Stars References: Message-ID: <34048724.D1C4FB01@mail.zynet.co.uk> > Urmm. Track and Field. > > I was advised prior to my first days of High > School to join X-Country our school was a rugby school, and if you didn't want to play rugby you were, erm, one of the outsiders. Or hockey if you were a girl (isn't thatright caz? if you're still on the list...). Naturally, i was an outsider. We had to do x-country in PE though and i hated it because i always was frail and fey. Then when i was around 14 i started cycling a lot, and i actually got pretty fit. Anyway, I used to have PE with all the rugby team, and then we'd be doing sprints and stuff and i was beating them easily, and doing high jump, again beating them easily, or hurdles... anything really. They were all a bit put out i think. Anyway, when it came to getting our school reports, all the other kids who played rugby got 'excellent' for their PE report and i only ever got 'satisfactory', even though i was faster and fitter than most of them. I kinda laughed but it still made me mad. erm, you didn't really want to know all that did you? the duke. > -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Aug 27 20:48:38 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:48:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap References: <199708271621.RAA02626@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> <34046E2C.63658428@mcmail.com> Message-ID: <34048496.DEAE1223@mail.zynet.co.uk> > Have you heard the last weekend or whatever it > was called? As I remember > it was quite good on the radio, but I suppose it > might get annoying > after a while... it was a spoken word thing that > was, as was widely > remarked, a bit Trainspottingesque... 'First Big Weekend' is a great record, and the LP is all great too. I have a review on my ezine if anyone really wants to know what i thought/think of it. The 'Clearing' 12" is great too, with the Belle connection and some cool beatz remixes on the flip. Musically it's quite slow guitar sound i guess... quite like Mogwai (with whom they made a single recently i think?), or if you want to go further afield, not unlike Tortoise or Slint. hope that helps someone. the duke Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Aug 27 21:03:54 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:03:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: if you're feeling eclectic: intro References: <34047BCF.73C8@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <3404882A.8E663468@mail.zynet.co.uk> > A Galaxie 500 fan? Those are few and far > between. Too bad they are so > obscure in the States. The new Luna album is > pretty good. Flying Nun and there was me thinking that Puptent was really rather nice.. it does grow however, because i remember when i first got it didn't like it, (i still don't like the IHOP single) but after a month i found myself coming back to it, and now i really like it. 'Bobby Peru' is a gem. duke (i'll post a Belle & Sebastian message soon...) -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From galaxie at xxx.br Wed Aug 27 21:29:42 1997 From: galaxie at xxx.br (galaxie) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:29:42 -0300 Subject: Sinister: if you're feeling eclectic: intro Message-ID: <199708272058.RAA29540@domain.com.br> : Spacemen, Smiths, Galaxy, Velvets. > > Nice to hear mention of the Go-betweens:) Any flying nun fans out there? > > -alex > > And nice to hear mention of the Spacemen, Smiths, VU, and especially Galaxie 500! Cecilia ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From galaxie at xxx.br Wed Aug 27 21:15:45 1997 From: galaxie at xxx.br (galaxie) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:15:45 -0300 Subject: Sinister: New album and Belle so big... Message-ID: <199708272058.RAA29535@domain.com.br> > Any news about "that compilation" ????? > Any news about the (re)release of *Tigermilk* ? (Why not (re)release ????) > Thanks in advance > Ivo Augusto > (I was almost missing you, Ivo!!! I knew we'd meet here) - Anyway, the world would be a happier place if we all managed to get our hands on a copy of that old "Tigermilk" of theirs. Another lot of "Tigermilk" would be a lovely (and later profitable, cause I'm so sure B&S are going to be BIG) idea. Cecilia ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Wed Aug 27 22:49:21 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:49:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: paul, the digest is playing up Message-ID: <3404A0E1.2F66C2CE@virgin.net> just tried to subscribe to the digest and it seems to be a closed list still, can we get that changed before you go? apart from that, this list is the works! so thanks again... ...david kitchen -- ************************************************************** http://freespace.virgin.net/d.kitchen/Bluesoda.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tysonm at xxx.edu Wed Aug 27 22:55:43 1997 From: tysonm at xxx.edu (Tyson McCrearareary) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: how I first heard B&S... Message-ID: They had a silly "New Band Night" on the big radio station in San Francisco, and for whatever reason I decided to write down the names of the bands they played. Of course, most of the bands had already been played to death, but the show started with a catchy song called "Like Dylan in the Movies." So I remembered their name when I saw the used CD in the record shop and took a chance. The cashier said, "This is an amazing record." It didn't take long for me to agree, and get everyone I could to listen. I can't get them out of my head. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 23:01:44 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:01:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:Galaxie's idea. Message-ID: <01BCB33D.33DE12A0@host5-99-62-75.btinternet.com> Nice one there, if another batch of Tigermilks were made, about 1000 would do, then all seriously interested in B&S (excluding those who only want it cos it's rare) could have a copy, and still act all smug when B&S become really famous and the price of Tigermilk rockets. Someone should pass this idea on to the people who control such stuff. Cheers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From galaxie at xxx.br Wed Aug 27 22:15:41 1997 From: galaxie at xxx.br (galaxie) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:15:41 -0300 Subject: Sinister: if you're feeling eclectic: intro Message-ID: <199708272206.TAA04716@domain.com.br> Pup-tent is also the name of a Douglas Coupland character (in "Life After God"). As English is not my first language, could it possibly be that I haven't noticed "pup-tent" stands for loads of other things? > and there was me thinking that Puptent was really > rather nice.. > duke (i'll post a Belle & Sebastian message > soon...) Just can't wait... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From galaxie at xxx.br Wed Aug 27 22:34:03 1997 From: galaxie at xxx.br (galaxie) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:34:03 -0300 Subject: Sinister: Re: Track Stars Message-ID: <199708272206.TAA04721@domain.com.br> ---------- > De: duke of harringay > Para: sinister at majordomo.net > Assunto: Re: Sinister: Re: Track Stars > Data: Quarta-feira, 27 de Agosto de 1997 16:59 > > > Urmm. Track and Field. > > > > I was advised prior to my first days of High > > School to join X-Country > > our school was a rugby school, and if you didn't > want to play rugby you were, erm, one of the > outsiders. Or hockey if you were a girl (isn't > thatright caz? if you're still on the list...). > Naturally, i was an outsider. We had to do > x-country in PE though and i hated it because i > always was frail and fey. It could have been worse. PE for the girls at my old school meant running around the gym in a rather ridiculous white skirt and red shirt to get prepared for silly handball games, all of which consisted in several displays of female power from each of the fattest girls on the smaller ones - especially myself, glasses on (pre-lenses Era). Cecilia ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Wed Aug 27 23:21:45 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:21:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The B&S T-Shirts. Message-ID: <01BCB340.1A3522A0@host5-99-45-113.btinternet.com> This is sort of connected with the recurring theme thing. At first I thought the Bus design on the shirt was because so many of Belle and Sebastian's songs feature this mode of transport: StringBean Jean, The state I am in, and countless others, I expect. But then I realised the acronym for the band is bas, which is the cockney pronunciation of bus, this is reinforced by the fact that B&S seem to like playing for the southerners instead of coming up north, but I'm not bitter about it. Elvis isn't a >^..^< ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Aug 27 23:50:29 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:50:29 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: paul, the digest is playing up In-Reply-To: <3404A0E1.2F66C2CE@virgin.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, David & Katrina wrote: > just tried to subscribe to the digest and it seems to be a closed list > still, can we get that changed before you go? > > apart from that, this list is the works! > > so thanks again... > > ...david kitchen (Copied to the list to avoid confusion - someone else did something similar a while ago): Just to explain further what happened - I don't think there IS a problem with the digest version of the list - if anyone sends a command of the form subscribe listname blah i.e. puts a space and then something else after the listname, then the something else is interpreted as an email address to subscribe you to, i.e. not just take the defult From: field from your message. Obviously this is potentially open to abuse as you might subscribe someone you don't like so it goes to the list admin (me) for approval - I think that's what happened because you asked for: subscribe sinister digest instead of subscribe sinister-digest As I said in my other message I think you're already on the digest actually. If I'm getting this wrong let me know but to check try unsubscribing from sinister-digest and then subscribing again. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From galaxie at xxx.br Wed Aug 27 23:24:20 1997 From: galaxie at xxx.br (galaxie) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:24:20 -0300 Subject: Sinister: if you're feeling eclectic: intro Message-ID: <199708280022.VAA14439@domain.com.br> > Are you from brasil?? > > -alex Yes, and I've been getting this weird feeling about never ever seeing B&S round here... As it usually happens, the producers here only bring us Offspring and Sex Pistols at their worst (for some, there's never been their best, however :o)) while there's a good crowd for acts in the style of Belle's. Brasil isn't the best place for indie rock lovers, yet there's a hint of "resistance", we survive (barely). Cecille > On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, galaxie wrote: > > > > > > > : Spacemen, Smiths, Galaxy, Velvets. > > > > > > Nice to hear mention of the Go-betweens:) Any flying nun fans out there? > > > > > > -alex > > > > > > And nice to hear mention of the Spacemen, Smiths, VU, and especially > > Galaxie 500! > > Cecilia > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From galaxie at xxx.br Thu Aug 28 01:37:09 1997 From: galaxie at xxx.br (galaxie) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:37:09 -0300 Subject: Sinister: Chris' cat Message-ID: <199708280034.VAA15472@domain.com.br> ---------- De: Chris Stack Para: 'Belle and Sebastian mailing list' Assunto: Sinister: The B&S T-Shirts. Data: Quarta-feira, 27 de Agosto de 1997 19:21 This is sort of connected with the recurring theme thing. At first I thought the Bus design on the shirt was because so many of Belle and Sebastian's songs feature this mode of transport: StringBean Jean, The state I am in, and countless others, I expect. But then I realised the acronym for the band is bas, which is the cockney pronunciation of bus, this is reinforced by the fact that B&S seem to like playing for the southerners instead of coming up north, but I'm not bitter about it. Elvis isn't a >^..^< Your point on the bus/bas issue is quite interesting, but your cat is really something!!! Thanx for showing the drawing, i didn't know it yet... Cecilia ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aadam at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 01:28:24 1997 From: aadam at xxx.com (Aadam 'It's a miracle I'm still alive' Jacobs) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:28:24 -0500 Subject: Sinister: re:Kate Dornan new topic thing. References: Message-ID: <3404C628.315B@interaccess.com> Alex Ward wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, duke of harringay wrote: > > > > > hmmm, i do believe we decided to the contrary, > > that elvis was in fact a cat but might, if you > > were a bit odd, be a dog :-) > > > > Come on, show of hands: dog or cat? > > I still do impudently cast my vote for brocolli... > elvis is a car. guess what kind. no prizes Aadam ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aadam at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 01:21:12 1997 From: aadam at xxx.com (Aadam 'It's a miracle I'm still alive' Jacobs) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:21:12 -0500 Subject: Sinister: if you're feeling eclectic: intro References: Message-ID: <3404C478.1995@interaccess.com> Alex Ward wrote: > Any flying nun fans out there? Big time! Have been for about 10 years now... Aadam ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Thu Aug 28 09:38:29 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:38:29 GMT Subject: Sinister: The State I am in Message-ID: The State I am in... ...is a quite depressed one, I must say. So the B&S show in New York is sold out. I´d prefer to miss it wth a day or two, as with the Spiritualized concert the 4th, but.... life´s grim. To be in NY that very day without a ticket. Still, there must be a way to get in for us without any moral whatsoever?! And do anyone really have any news about the collection of B&S? About Luna, and this makes me very excited, I had the chance to make an interview with Dean Wareham when he visited Stockholm last week. He was very nice (and had some interesting gossips about Jon Spencer and Paul Auster´s son). I really like Pup Tent, and i fully agree with Alistair who tought it really grows on you. I thought it was crap in the beginning, but now I even like Ihop. But "Pup tent" isn´t as good as "Bewitched". But a man who writes a song with the title "Bobby peru" deserves respect! And the it was the Flying Nun-subject. I´wouldn´t say i´m a an but I really like Bailter Space, 3DS, Chills, Clean and well the most of things they put out. I used to look for their yearly collections but they are hard to find here, as the local recordshop can´t search in their computers on labelname. And to Ivo, I´m afraid to make you disappointed, but my zine is in Swedish. We´re planning however to get an english site but this isn´t a prior thing, but I´ll keep you up to date. By the way - I´d like more info on "Class". Interesting. To Duke of Harringray - what does Kevin Pearce think of Belle And Sebastian? Best wishes to all of you, Klas (who, because of the NY problems will dig up his Smiths collection and stay in for days. Life´s unfair!!! Isn´t that an Able Tasmans-song by the way, all you Flying Nun-fans out there?) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Thu Aug 28 10:39:37 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:39:37 GMT Subject: Sinister: About the Verve Message-ID: Hi again! Some of you mentiond The Verve, which makes me glad as I really liked their first singles, although the albums have been a bit disappointing so far. Do anyone know how to get you hands on "All in the mind" and "Gravity Grave", since I just had them on a tape which I´ve lost? Best wishes, Klas "It´s a bitter sweet symphony (but mostly bitter) Tryin to get to a B&S show in New York It´s sold out - and then you die":-( ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 10:32:48 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:32:48 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199708280825.JAA04819@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> > In the meanwhile another compo? Any ideas anyone, I've got possible > prizes! How about a 'Ink Polaroid writing' compo? The most entertaining short story in Stuart David's stylee wins. They would not have to be about B&S, just something funny or touching thats happened to you. What do you think? John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 10:35:59 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:35:59 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199708280828.JAA05276@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> >Come on, show of hands: dog or cat? CAT, most definitely a cat. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mbowen at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 01:22:50 1997 From: mbowen at xxx.net (Michael Bowen) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 20:22:50 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Advice for Americans Message-ID: <199708280829.JAA06186@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> As I'll be seeing the band a week from Sunday, I'm going to ask a question of burning importance: what should one wear to a B&S concert? I know that anoraks, flares, jeans, jumpers, or damn near any other item of clothing are loaded with subtexts in British pop culture. I just don't want to embarass myself or Stuart. Any tips? Michael Bowen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 09:41:19 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:41:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap Message-ID: >Hey, A Lad, re: the Verve and your eager promotion of them.Is it them >that did that song with the fab strings? (da-da-daa, da-da-daa...) They >play that at Poptastic quite a lot and I usually end up dancing to it, >and I have a feeling someone told me it was the Verve... It was called "Bittersweet Symphony". And I think the video for it (of the lead singer walking down a street bashing into people) was alluded to in the sleeve notes for LLPJ; "Jane pretended she was making indie-rock videos as she tore through the East End. She thought herself quite magnificent, and only caused two minor disturbances as she went." Stuart G > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 09:48:39 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:48:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Track Stars Message-ID: >---------- >> Urmm. Track and Field. > >oh well, if we're starting... > >I went to cross country once... I remember doing a three mile cross-country run at school with a sprained ankle, I was on crutches for a month :-(. I've given up on it now - don't see the point of running three miles up and down hills just to get back to exactly where you started... The best sport around is definitely korfball! Stuart G > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From kblake at xxx.edu Thu Aug 28 03:07:35 1997 From: kblake at xxx.edu (Kristen Blake) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: intro... Message-ID: Hello--- I'm crossing my fingers that this one will work now that the list is all shiny and new. You see I've been on the list for quite some time now, but my messages never seemed to make it to the list. I'm Kristen, I live in Boston (USA), and I love records. Here's a question, did any of you send a message to get free tickets for the West 54th taping? Just curious if you got a response yet. That may be my only chance of seeing the band this time around, so I'm anxious to hear back from them. here I am, kristen ps. I think the Arab Strap album is good (with the exception of 1 song). If you like the sound of guitars recorded so that you can hear the fingers sliding over the strings, all scratchy and lo-fi (for lack of a better word) with whispery/angsty story-like lyrics, an occasional bombastic blast of drums and a catchy bassline here or there, by all means pick it up. The single The First Big Weekend is just stunning (and included on the album.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 09:57:33 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:57:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:Galaxie's idea. References: <01BCB33D.33DE12A0@host5-99-62-75.btinternet.com> Message-ID: <34053D7D.3910E857@mail.zynet.co.uk> > want it cos it's rare) could have a copy, and > still act all smug when B&S become really famous > and the price of Tigermilk rockets. as far as i can tell the price has already rocketed... someone posted here about a friend who paid £200 for a copy??!! i don't have a vinyl copy myself but it doesn't bother me at all really (this is maybe a new phase in my life where i don't get uptight about records i don't own?). i have a couple of tape copies, one on mini-disc (thanks John! did you like Felt?), and that suits me just dandy. i actually like the idea that they NEVER re-issue it, or that they do the perverse thing and re-issue it only when they are rich and bloated and playing Las Vegas and everyone has all but forgotten about their obscure roots. Kinda like if Roddy Frame were to allow his old Postcard tracks to be re-issued... we can dream. the duke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 10:00:21 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:00:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: if you're feeling eclectic: intro References: <199708272206.TAA04716@domain.com.br> Message-ID: <34053E24.34CA2AFD@mail.zynet.co.uk> > name of a Douglas Coupland character (in "Life > After > God"). As English is not my first language, > could it possibly be that I > haven't noticed "pup-tent" stands for loads of > other things? must go back and check out the Coupland book... meantime, the press release for the Luna LP said that the 'Puptent' was the name given to the place where a young Damn and friends would take girls for a spot of, how shall i say, 'hanky panky'. So now you know. the duke > -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 09:41:39 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:41:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The B&S T-Shirts. References: <01BCB340.1A3522A0@host5-99-45-113.btinternet.com> Message-ID: <340539C3.D1A2F628@mail.zynet.co.uk> Chris Stack wrote: > This is sort of connected with the recurring > theme thing. At first I thought the Bus design > on the shirt was because so many of Belle and > Sebastian's songs feature this mode of transport i figured this was the reason too...i know Stuart certainly did (may still have) an almost fetish about travelling around in buses. i think the cockney theory is funny though :-) me, i like the buses that are small and race around Exeter, although since Stagecoach bought the business it's gone downhill :-( When the dereg. happened in glasgow it was great though becaus ehter were load of different busses, and we had old London busses too. My favourite was the 'Magic Bus' line (I kid you not!). Coaches however i do not care for since i am too tall to sit in one comfortably for more than about ten minutes. school in four days and counting... the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 09:57:45 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:57:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:Kate Dornan new topic thing. References: <3404C628.315B@interaccess.com> Message-ID: <34053D89.60290BA5@mail.zynet.co.uk> > elvis is a car. > guess what kind. pink cadillac ;-) > no prizes aw you're no fun anymore. but here's a pink cadillac story: kid i teach told me just before she left that she nearly got run down by a pink cadillac on the way to school once. it was on the road by Safeway, and it just clipped her hand. funny thing is, no-one ever saw a pink cadillac in the town before or since. (cadillacs in general are not common in devon). Was this Evis? duke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 10:10:23 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:10:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: PLEASE READ: mailing list notes Message-ID: All, One day into the new mailing list and a couple of notes: o The list is restricted so that only members can post to it - this is to avoid junk mail from the outside. The way I had it set up didn't allow members of the digest versions to post but this should be fixed now - let me know if it isn't. o Some mail addresses are consistently bouncing and holding up the queues to the rest of you. As policy I will remove these bad addresses after about 10 consistent bounces and the bad addresses will be told about this for some time in case they wake up. The following undeliverable addresses have been removed: geoffr at erols.com litausa at aol.com chriz11 at aol.com bijoux13 at aol.com sfeane at force9.net. I won't be telling you everytime I do this but I inherited these addresses from the old list. o Finally a plea: from the number of people subscribing and then rapidly unsubscribing I suspect the large amount of non B&S postings are putting people off. I don't want to be dogmatic but from experience mailing lists only survive if there is a high signal-to-noise ratio. There are now over 200 people on this list so please try to make sure what you are saying is of interest to most BELLE AND SEBASTIAN fans! This is not a general discussion list for related music - join indiepop for that. Hmm that's made me unpopular. If anyone has comments on this then let ME know rather than the list - I promise I will post a summary. But let's make sure this list keeps going... Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Thu Aug 28 10:19:29 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:19:29 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap Message-ID: <199708280919.LAA29702@mail2.isdnet.net> it is by the verve, who are now in massive trouble because of the string sample, taken from an orchestral version of a rolling stones song...they will not get any royalties off the sales and stuff 'cos the bloke who owns the rights has said "NO WAY"...lovely business the music business...ironic really, the lyrics being "you're a slave to money then you die..." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Thu Aug 28 10:15:23 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:15:23 +0200 Subject: Sinister: About the Verve Message-ID: <199708280919.LAA29693@mail2.isdnet.net> i do believe that their first singles were compiled on an album a while back...can't remember what it was called...if that can help! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 10:16:39 1997 From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:16:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S: the Bathers connection Message-ID: <40542C20.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> A while ago someone asked about The Bathers who played with B&S at Kelvingrove Park. They are worth checking out although they're not really like B&S at all. They've also been around a lot longer. Their best album is called "Sweet Deceit" which is, without hyperbole, a masterpiece. Chris Thomson, the lead singer, started out some time ago in a band called Friends Again who I think were on the renowned Postcard label (circa 1982??). The Bathers had a brief incarnation as Bloomsday (James Joyce connection) and got into the fringes of the charts with "Strange Honey". They're one of those bands who always almost get famous and they've played a series of legendary gigs mainly in Glasgow and Edinburgh. They recorded some songs with Liz Frazer of the Cocteau Twins - the best of which was "Angel on Ruskin" IMO. She also appeared with them at one gig in Glasgow. If you buy "Sunpowder" you can hear it. Apparently they were pretty good at Kelvingrove but their live performances can be patchy - shades of Pink Floyd at Cottiers last year! C. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 10:41:02 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:41:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:Stuart Gardiner and LLPJ Message-ID: <01BCB39E.FAF69540@host5-99-56-142.btinternet.com> I always thought the music video referred to was that Bluet*nes one, where they run down the road and stuff. Whilst on the subject of LLPJ, I read the 'Loneliness of the long distance runner' when the song came out, and the text in LLPJ reminded me of the book I was reading, now I hear they have a song coming out called 'the loneliness of the middle distance runner' so i'm guessing they read the book the same time as I did, weird eh? or perhaps not. CATS DOGS BROCOLLI 2 1 1 The >^..^< 's have it, by a whisker.(sorry.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 10:28:35 1997 From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:28:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:Galaxie's idea. Message-ID: <40547530.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> great idea - I haven't heard "Mattress of Wire" for years... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Sinister: re:Galaxie's idea. Author: duke of harringay at ~ITPS-INTERNET Date: 28/08/97 09:57 > want it cos it's rare) could have a copy, and > still act all smug when B&S become really famous > and the price of Tigermilk rockets. as far as i can tell the price has already rocketed... someone posted here about a friend who paid �200 for a copy??!! i don't have a vinyl copy myself but it doesn't bother me at all really (this is maybe a new phase in my life where i don't get uptight about records i don't own?). i have a couple of tape copies, one on mini-disc (thanks John! did you like Felt?), and that suits me just dandy. i actually like the idea that they NEVER re-issue it, or that they do the perverse thing and re-issue it only when they are rich and bloated and playing Las Vegas and everyone has all but forgotten about their obscure roots. Kinda like if Roddy Frame were to allow his old Postcard tracks to be re-issued... we can dream. the duke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 10:36:03 1997 From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:36:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The B&S T-Shirts. Message-ID: <40547640.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> "When the dereg. happened in glasgow it was great though becaus ehter were load of different busses, and we had old London busses too. My favourite was the 'Magic Bus' line (I kid you not!)." I worked in Glasgow Royal Infirmary as a domestic one terrible summer and I took comfort from the fact that a bus with "Wee Kirkie Bus" written on it used to go by - was it on its way to Kirkintilloch, can anyone tell me? PS I like this bus theme - you won't get it on many other mailing lists. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Sinister: The B&S T-Shirts. Author: duke of harringay at ~ITPS-INTERNET Date: 28/08/97 09:41 Chris Stack wrote: > This is sort of connected with the recurring > theme thing. At first I thought the Bus design > on the shirt was because so many of Belle and > Sebastian's songs feature this mode of transport i figured this was the reason too...i know Stuart certainly did (may still have) an almost fetish about travelling around in buses. i think the cockney theory is funny though :-) me, i like the buses that are small and race around Exeter, although since Stagecoach bought the business it's gone downhill :-( When the dereg. happened in glasgow it was great though becaus ehter were load of different busses, and we had old London busses too. My favourite was the 'Magic Bus' line (I kid you not!). Coaches however i do not care for since i am too tall to sit in one comfortably for more than about ten minutes. school in four days and counting... the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 11:00:00 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:00:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: No really, it is connected with B&S, and T-Shirts and Buses. Message-ID: <01BCB3A1.8AF8D0C0@host5-99-56-142.btinternet.com> The cockney theory gets my vote. When the Shopper hoppers first came to West Yorkshire, they painted 2 of them black with stars on and called them magic buses, I don't know if this is what Duke is reffering to, but these two magic buses were free, to promote the bus company...so the local grannies would wait for up to an hour until the free bus came, just to save 30p. Apparently once they all waited in the rain outside my mate's house, the bus was late of course, due to the wet road, But the grannies didn't seem to mind, saving 30p is worth the risk of catching pneumonia and dying, for old people anyway, I expect. That Honey E-mail said that they're were over 200 people on the list...bit quiet aren't they? Will I be chucked off now for posting irrelevant stuff? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnj-seahouses at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 11:01:27 1997 From: johnj-seahouses at xxx.net (J Jackson) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:01:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: america and all it contains... Message-ID: <199708281008.LAA07150@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> hi popkids! well, 6 hours and counting...i leave these sunny (ha ha) shores and head to New York City (my original home) for the fun and fanfare of the CMJ convention! something i do every year which is always a fantastic time...jumping in cabs to get from bar to bar to see gig after gig...always ending with few fantastic parties and ooooh loads of excitement. makes a good FINAL and desperate festival (Sort of) after this summer and its great festivals... just a few notes...on getting tickets for the Angel Orensanz gig. i can't wuite understand all the confusion with getting the tickets. i rang Ticketmaster in NYC from London late one night and just asked about the gig and bought tickets. it was really easy for me and can not figure out why everyone has had so many problems with it. anyway...i can't wait to see b&s again and this time in a totally alien setting for them and for some of us! also...if anyone is coming from out of town and would like to meet up or arrange things email me privately CRAFTYLO at ix.netcom.com and we can sort something up. anyway...the hour is getting closer and i shall have to run and pack a bag or two i suppose... *i love you all* rachel (and JJ who is flying over on tuesday) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 11:14:57 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:14:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S: the Bathers connection Message-ID: <01BCB3A3.9F3AC000@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Charlotte Hall wrote: >A while ago someone asked about The Bathers who played with B&S at Kelvingrove Park. They are worth checking out although they're not really like B&S at all. They've also been around a lot longer. Their best album is called "Sweet Deceit" which is, without hyperbole, a masterpiece. Chris Thomson, the lead singer, started out some time ago in a band called Friends Again who I think were on the renowned Postcard label (circa 1982??). Mmm.....I saw the Bathers at Kelvingrove Park, and thought they were attrocious - very much in that OTHER Scottish tradition of fake white soul - you know the offenders..... Deacon Blue, Wet Wet Wet, etc. I also thought their stage act was not a little pompous and arrogant (just my luck if they're reading this!). I have vague recollections of Friends Again (wasn't "Honey at the Core" one of their singles, or am I confusing them with someone else?), but they definitely weren't on Postcard. By the way, am I the only person on this list who thinks that there has been rather too many postings of a....mmm......tenuous nature appearing on this list in the past day or so? Wouldn't be anything to do with the tape competition, would it? Might I suggest that any future such competitions should reward QUALITY of posting, rather than quantity? I say give the tape to the duke. Nigel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 11:09:22 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:09:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk / Verve etc. Message-ID: <01BCB3A2.D7667060@rainbow.qss.co.uk> I asked Chris Geddes about the Tigermilk re-release just before last Christmas - at that point, it was going to be released soon, however when I asked him again a couple of months later, he said they had no plans for it to be rereleased. My guess for this, although I didn't ask him and he probably wouldn't admit it anyway is that the non-release of Tigermilk is turning them into minor legends - the interest in the record is a million times what it probably would be were it actually released, so really at the moment I'd say it's a good thing although I'm personally not one for the anal "I've got it and you haven't" garbage, anyway I want it on CD as I'll wear out the record soon. I myself have donated a copy of mine to about half of Edinburgh... I'm sure they'll all still buy it when it finally does come out (and I'm sure it will). As far as I'm aware, the next single contains at least A Century of Fakers, Le Pastie de la Bourgeousie and Beautiful (interesting to note that ALL these songs were written at least as far back as when Tigermilk came out). Verve question... You can get the Verve stuff you were asking for easily in the UK - all the initial singles are still being pressed - alternatively, abroad there was an issue of the Verve EP which contains All in the Mind, She's a superstar (short), Gravity Grave (Short), Endless life and Feel. But you're better actually buying the first three singles really, it'll only cost you 12 quid and you'll get more songs (One way to go - live stuff). Did anyone see Arab Strap support Belle and Sebastian last October at the Mitchell Library in Glasgow? It was OK but amazingly quiet, my friend Tanya told me and my pal Andrew to shutup during it - we were whispering. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 11:53:47 1997 From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:53:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S: the Bathers connection Message-ID: <40557A40.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> I agree about the tenuousness, I've been guilty of it myself, so back *on message* from now on: what about the occasional appearance of men of the cloth in B&S songs? viz. "the vicar or whatever took her to one side..." "go off and see a minister..." "the priest in the booth had a photographic memory..." ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Sinister: B&S: the Bathers connection Author: Nigel Turner at ~ITPS-INTERNET Date: 28/08/97 11:14 Charlotte Hall wrote: >A while ago someone asked about The Bathers who played with B&S at Kelvingrove Park. They are worth checking out although they're not really like B&S at all. They've also been around a lot longer. Their best album is called "Sweet Deceit" which is, without hyperbole, a masterpiece. Chris Thomson, the lead singer, started out some time ago in a band called Friends Again who I think were on the renowned Postcard label (circa 1982??). Mmm.....I saw the Bathers at Kelvingrove Park, and thought they were attrocious - very much in that OTHER Scottish tradition of fake white soul - you know the offenders..... Deacon Blue, Wet Wet Wet, etc. I also thought their stage act was not a little pompous and arrogant (just my luck if they're reading this!). I have vague recollections of Friends Again (wasn't "Honey at the Core" one of their singles, or am I confusing them with someone else?), but they definitely weren't on Postcard. By the way, am I the only person on this list who thinks that there has been rather too many postings of a....mmm......tenuous nature appearing on this list in the past day or so? Wouldn't be anything to do with the tape competition, would it? Might I suggest that any future such competitions should reward QUALITY of posting, rather than quantity? I say give the tape to the duke. Nigel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Thu Aug 28 14:11:14 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:11:14 GMT Subject: Sinister: Belle and Christianity Message-ID: Charlote Hall wrote: > what about the occasional appearance of men of the cloth in B&S songs? > viz. > > "the vicar or whatever took her to one side..." > > "go off and see a minister..." > > "the priest in the booth had a photographic memory..." - An interesting topic! I´ve been wondering a lot about it. Had mr Murdoch a catholic upbringing? I mean there is a lot of hints about confession of sins and so on. And someone wrote about the book/film, "the loneliness of the longdistance runner". What is it about? And all you Felt fans out there, what record do you recommend to start with? Hard questions I guess. And please excuse my interest in USA and New York, but has there been a lot written about B&S over there or how have they become so popular (apart from making great music)? Best wishes, Klas Ericsson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 12:16:16 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:16:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap Message-ID: <0039600000001775000002L052*@MHS> hopefully this reply will go to the right place (sorry paul, i have different troubles to everyone else, all these posts come from 'owner-sinister' and replies go there unless i've got my thinking head on and remember to change them). anyway, people were talking about arab strap... >'First Big Weekend' is a great record, and the >LP is all great too. I have a review on my >ezine if anyone really wants to know what i >thought/think of it. The 'Clearing' 12" is >great too, with the Belle connection and some >cool beatz remixes on the flip. well, i think it's now that i should point out that two of b&s played on the arab strap peel sessions a while ago too - chris and stuart m added keyboards to the 4 tracks they played... (smell of outdoor cooking, first big peel thing, i saw you, er, something else) also, someone mentioned that '...weekend' could get tedious after a while. well, everytime i've heard them do it live or in session they've changed the words to reflect the previous weekend which keeps it fresh. it also means he has to read it off a piece of paper every time which is comical - reminds me of mark e smith with the inspirals on totp. actually i have this same problem with 'a century of elvis', that i've heard it too often. strangely though, the real version of the song, 'a century of fakers', is a lot simpler lyrically but i'm not sick of it yet - less content = more longevity somehow. um, also, the new arab strap single contains lyrics from the first single ('went out for the weekend, it lasted forever...') done in a comedy voice (and repeated far too often). = bad. andy a.dean at uk22p.bull.co.uk (btw lizard, i've just posted you tape...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 12:16:55 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:16:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Track Stars Message-ID: <199708281149.MAA07698@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> >I wonder which of the Belles or Sebastians did a turn for school > track, or perhaps just a subject casually cast into the spotlight? > > The Loneliness Of The Middle Distance Runner > Stars of Track and Field i'm sure i've read in an interview somewhere that stuart m (?) used to run marathons... (duke, i think it was in one of the photocopies you sent me that i haven't typed up yet (and probably never will...)) andy www.geld.com/tweenet/bas/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 13:00:30 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:00:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:Klas Ericsson and long distance running. Message-ID: <01BCB3B2.7105FE20@host5-99-54-54.btinternet.com> Klas Ericcson wrote: > An interesting topic! I´ve been wondering a lot about it. Had mr Murdoch >a catholic upbringing? I mean there is a lot of hints about confession of >sins and so on. >And someone wrote about the book/film, "the loneliness of the longdistance >runner". What is it about? I doubt he had a Catholic upbringing, because he says: "the vicar or whatever", unless he was a rubbish Catholic who didn't know much. The "loneliness of the long distance runner" is a book by Alan Sillitoe. The Back cover says it's a modern classic, but I wouldn't go that far, It's not bad for a short story though. I think it was made into a film, but I've never seen it. Apparently the book's better if you are/were a long-distance runner, which I'm not. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From escossia at xxx.br Thu Aug 28 12:04:22 1997 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A.P. Escossia) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:04:22 -0200 Subject: Sinister: re:Galaxie's idea. Message-ID: <12042217007754@secrel.com.br> At 09:57 28/08/97 +0100, you wrote: >i have a couple of tape copies, >one on mini-disc .i actually >like the idea that they NEVER re-issue it Come on !!!! Have you got on MINI DISC ??? And i never listened to *TIGERMILK* ! not just me, i think !!!! What's the problem making "some money" NOW ??? Ivo Augusto Ps: I don't have 200 pounds to pay for a copy of *Tigermilk*. >the duke. > >-- >Tangents On-Line >http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ >Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK > >tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 13:33:59 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:33:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:Kate Dornan new topic thing. References: <3404C628.315B@interaccess.com> Message-ID: <34057037.892720CE@mcmail.com> > oops, messed up my reply field the first time i sent this... > > > hmmm, i do believe we decided to the contrary, > > > that elvis was in fact a cat but might, if you > > > were a bit odd, be a dog :-) > > > > > > Come on, show of hands: dog or cat? > > > > I still do impudently cast my vote for brocolli... > > > elvis is a car. > guess what kind. come on you lot, I spy an opportunity to marry up two speculatory threads... Elvis is a BUS!!!!!!! Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 13:34:50 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:34:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The B&S T-Shirts. References: <01BCB340.1A3522A0@host5-99-45-113.btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3405706A.B911C54B@mcmail.com> > This is sort of connected with the recurring theme thing. At first I > thought the Bus design on the shirt was because so many of Belle and > Sebastian's songs feature this mode of transport: StringBean Jean, The > state I am in, and countless others, I expect. But then I realised the > acronym for the band is bas, which is the cockney pronunciation of > bus, this is reinforced by the fact that B&S seem to like playing for > the southerners instead of coming up north, but I'm not bitter about > it. hate to be boring, but isn't it a tour shirt? --hence possibly bus design. Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 13:21:31 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:21:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S: the Bathers connection Message-ID: <01BCB3B5.4D67C4F0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> By the way, am I the only person on this list who thinks that there has been rather too many postings of a....mmm......tenuous nature appearing on this list in the past day or so? Wouldn't be anything to do with the tape competition, would it? Might I suggest that any future such competitions should reward QUALITY of posting, rather than quantity? I say give the tape to the duke. Nigel [Keith Watson] Totally agreed - but more generally, it'd be much better if people only posted something to the list if they actually had something to say (from now on obviously!). I'm a bit fed up of messages that say things like.... "I agree" with this posting. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Thu Aug 28 15:17:01 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:17:01 GMT Subject: Sinister: Klas Ericsson and long distance running is not a good thing. Message-ID: Chris Stack wrote: >I doubt he had a Catholic upbringing, because he says: "the vicar or >whatever", unless he was a rubbish Catholic who didn't know much. - Well, what can I say - I don´t know religious terms that well, not in english anyway. But I´ll bet I´m better than you in swedish:-) > The "loneliness of the long distance runner" is a book by Alan Sillitoe. >The Back cover says it's a modern classic, but I wouldn't go that far, >It's not bad for a short story though. I think it was made into a film, >but I've never seen it. Apparently the book's better if you are/were a >long-distance runner, which I'm not. - Used to be a longsistance runner, but I hurt my leg... So I guess I´m not that intersted then. Too many "not bad" books in the world. Which jumping from one author to another gives me the chance to recommend my favourite author, Hermann Hesse, to all of you. Klas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From J.A.Mullen at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 14:42:10 1997 From: J.A.Mullen at xxx.uk (MULLEN JA) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:42:10 +0000 Subject: Sinister: The State I am In Message-ID: Hi, I'm a new user, who only recently got into B and S. Does anybody know if it's possible to get Belle sheet-music, or if anybody has transcribed/made a rough guess at the music for any of their songs. I would love to know the chords for Stars..., (I think it's played in a slightly off-kilter key, hence I can't duplicate it.) Whatever. I hope everyone's having a nice day. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 13:42:01 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:42:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: buses. References: <01BCB340.1A3522A0@host5-99-45-113.btinternet.com> <340539C3.D1A2F628@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <34057219.D97494C0@mcmail.com> > although since Stagecoach bought the business it's > gone downhill :-( You have them too? --they took over the nice orange GM buses here and now they don't have a student fare, sulk ... OK, so I'm not entitled to have an NUS card anyway, but that's beside the point...!!! It was quite funny how I got hold of one though... a story I would tell if I didn't think you'd die of boredom... > too. My favourite was the 'Magic Bus' line (I kid > you not!). Magic Buses are fab! The blue ones with the stars you mean??? -what style! Kate (who has only recently had to start worrying about different bus fares...oh the pains and the trials of growing up, eh?!) xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 13:52:57 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:52:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S: the Bathers connection References: <01BCB3A3.9F3AC000@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Message-ID: <340574A9.DB5DD4DF@mcmail.com> > By the way, am I the only person on this list who thinks that there > has been rather too many postings of a....mmm......tenuous nature > appearing on this list in the past day or so? Wouldn't be anything to > do with the tape competition, would it? Might I suggest that any > future such competitions should reward QUALITY of posting, rather than > quantity? I say give the tape to the duke. Well, the whole idea of the tape competition was to stimulate posting to the list, and even if people were just motivated by that, it'd have worked!!! But I think at the moment people are posting because they're genuinely interested ...after all, there are some familiar faces here, but also others who have never met before and may be just discovering they have similar interests... the list is but young... it's like talking to people in the queue for a gig, if you will. Anyway, the bus thread is FUN. Buses are brilliant. However, you have my full permission to flame me if I start talking about the Manchester Metrolink or something in a manner you consider to be tenuously connected (and be warned, I know a LOT about it. I did my Economics project on it. :-) ) ... Love Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 13:52:36 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:52:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Klas Ericsson and long distance running is not a good thing. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Klas Ericsson wrote: > - Used to be a longsistance runner, but I hurt my leg... So I guess I�m not > that intersted then. Too many "not bad" books in the world. Which jumping > from one author to another gives me the chance to recommend my favourite > author, Hermann Hesse, to all of you. STOP! I'm getting too many complaints from people about irrelevant mailings to this list filling up their mailboxes and the consensus is clearly for some order. Putting my foot down - Belle and Sebastian or closely related postings please or I take action. Grrrrrr. Paul psm at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 13:57:31 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:57:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap References: <0039600000001775000002L052*@MHS> Message-ID: <340575BB.771BE37A@mcmail.com> > arab strap peel sessions a while ago too - chris and stuart m added > keyboards > to the 4 tracks they played... (smell of outdoor cooking, first big > peel thing, > i saw you, er, something else) ooh...have B&S done stuff with any other bands do you know??? > also, someone mentioned that '...weekend' could get tedious after a > while. > well, everytime i've heard them do it live or in session they've > changed the > words to reflect the previous weekend which keeps it fresh. it also > means he > has to read it off a piece of paper every time which is comical hehehehe! That's brilliant! Like a constantly updated running commentary on their lives or something... still, what a responsibility having to get up to something every weekend before a live show, eh... :) Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 14:02:26 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:02:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:Galaxie's idea. References: <12042217007754@secrel.com.br> Message-ID: <340576E2.B8EEFA7C@mcmail.com> > >i have a couple of tape copies, > >one on mini-disc .i actually > >like the idea that they NEVER re-issue it > Come on !!!! > Have you got on MINI DISC ??? > And i never listened to *TIGERMILK* ! > not just me, i think !!!! Yeah...it's all very well having this air of obscure mystery around the record, but SOME of us would be positively jumping for joy at the idea of a re-issue, y'know! Besides, we don't all have record players *grr* so a CD version would be nice... > Ps: I don't have 200 pounds to pay for a copy of *Tigermilk*. Join the club :-( Kate xxx P.S. I know this is a bit late coming from me considering how much I just posted, but here's an idea re: list clogging/tenuosity. What about if all short replies are put together by the sender into ONE message, it's not that hard to cut and paste, for example: so and so wrote: well i think, la di da *next topic* And so on. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 14:59:02 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:59:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: america and all it contains... Message-ID: <0039600000003586000002L062*@MHS> >also...if anyone is coming from out of town and would like to meet up or >arrange things email me privately CRAFTYLO at ix.netcom.com and we can sort >something up. well, count me in (out on the 5th back on the 14th, staying in flemington NJ in the meantime). actually there're a bunch of people from the indiepop mailing list that i know that are having a get together on the sunday afternoon before the gig so... (i don't know details yet though, i've got to look up their email address) well, i think the trouble people are having with regards to getting tickets is because they left it too late - the gig was first mentioned months ago (it seems). yeah i know it's trouble (many a time i've had to make a trip into london just to get tickets for things, stereolab most of the time) but a credit card would make things a lot easier... >*i love you all* you're lying... i can tell... andy who doesn't need to berate people for not including their email addresses in posts anymore because they're all in the archives! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 15:24:35 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:24:35 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199708281316.OAA09607@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> > A while ago someone asked about The Bathers who played with B&S at > Kelvingrove Park. I bought The Bathers LP, 'Kelvingrove Baby' about a month ago, and I am totally in love with it. I would recommend it to everyone. It was the only thing Virgin had by them, but I'll have to track down there other albums. Thank you Charlotte, for the first bit of information I have seen about the band. John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From escossia at xxx.br Thu Aug 28 13:41:12 1997 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A.P Escossia) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:41:12 -0200 Subject: Sinister: *Tigermilk* Message-ID: <13411202100606@secrel.com.br> At 14:02 28/08/97 +0100, you wrote: >Yeah...it's all very well having this air of obscure mystery around the >record, I can't see why !!! Just for those who have *Tigermilk* ??? I think so !!! Anyone here can tape it for me and send it to the end of the world, where i live? I can trade it with my love,my eternal thanks and if you want, i can send you my SOUL in one envelope, postage paid , of course !!! :o) but SOME of us would be positively jumping for joy at the idea Kate, it *WON'T* be just *you and me* !!! I think !!!! >> Ps: I don't have 200 pounds to pay for a copy of *Tigermilk*. > >Join the club :-( But ...who has ? it's a crazy world, isn't it ???? Ivo Augusto Pita da Escossia escossia at secrel.com.br >Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 15:39:19 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:39:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap / some questions for the faq Message-ID: <0039600000003926000002L062*@MHS> um, this sounds like a question for the faq... (dave!) me: >>two of b&s played on the arab strap peel session kate: >ooh...have B&S done stuff with any other bands do you know??? well, chris plays with v-twin (doesn't he?) and the trumpetter had another band until recently. and then there's polar bear which i've been meaning to ask someone about. a friend has the polar bear single and says there's some b&s involvement there (and it's on electric honey records) but i haven't been able to find a copy and i know nothing... other questions for the faq whilst i'm here (i posted these a couple of days ago. unfortunately i posted them to the wrong place. not the first time (he says, looking at the TO: field and realising that paul's gonna have to forward this message as well!) and it won't be the last) - the names of everyone in the publicity shots and cover shots. - addresses / descriptions of all the place names that crop up like cava, the (misspelt) grovener cafe, easterhouse - unreleased songs including things only played live like 'reel around the fountain' and that associates song that gets mentioned in 'ink polaroids' - lists of alternative phrases that stuart's instead of 'c&a' (or is it debenhams where the tables are moved?) whilst playing live ('prince's street' in edinburgh, 'oxford street' in london). yeah, ok, it's a short list... 8) er, that's all... (except to throw in a few more brackets (just for the sake of it)) andy who'd like to remind duke (who's just about to come into some demos by the sound of it) of the couple of tapes i've sent him in the recent past... 8) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 14:34:02 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:34:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S: BUSES Message-ID: <01BCB3BF.7E9A5420@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Kate wrote... >Well, the whole idea of the tape competition was to stimulate posting to the list, and even if people were just motivated by that, it'd have worked!!! But I think at the moment people are posting because they're genuinely interested ...after all, there are some familiar faces here, but also others who have never met before and may be just discovering they have similar interests... the list is but young... it's like talking to people in the queue for a gig, if you will. Anyway, the bus thread is FUN. Buses are brilliant. However, you have my full permission to flame me if I start talking about the Manchester Metrolink or something in a manner you consider to be tenuously connected (and be warned, I know a LOT about it. I did my Economics project on it. :-) ) I'm not without sympathy here. Mailing lists that remain rigidly on-topic do tend to be somewhat dull (I've been on several - and have unsubscribed from most). I suppose my main gripe here was against the cynical rush to post as much to the list as possible in order to win the tape. Yeah, it's good to talk, but I'd prefer it if people actually had something worthwhile (or witty) to say - even if it's about buses (I think trains are better than buses though). Trouble is, when a list gets as large as this one, unless there's a degree of self-regulation among subscribers, the whole thing just breaks down. I've seen it happen many times before, and it's usually the people with the most interesting things to say that leave first. I can, however, recommend a mailing list that is dedicated to the discussion of buses, trains, fish, sheds, squirrels, bagders, etc, to anyone who e-mails me privately. By the way (and I know this is an old thread), but my cat, "Little Gary", has a great interest in postmen. Why, he even scent-marked the postman's bag a few weeks back. Luckily the postman saw the funny side of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From escossia at xxx.br Thu Aug 28 13:48:23 1997 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A.P Escossia) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:48:23 -0200 Subject: Sinister: Re: The Bathers Message-ID: <13482316100647@secrel.com.br> At 14:24 28/08/97 +0000, you wrote: >> A while ago someone asked about The Bathers who played with B&S at >> Kelvingrove Park. > >I bought The Bathers LP, 'Kelvingrove Baby' about a month ago, and I am >totally in love with it. I would recommend it to everyone. Can you please tell me more about the Bathers !!!! they played with B&S ???? Any "music connection" ????? Thanks in advance Ivo Augusto ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 14:49:10 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:49:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: References: <199708280825.JAA04819@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Message-ID: <340581D6.7271A01E@mail.zynet.co.uk> > How about a 'Ink Polaroid writing' compo? The > most entertaining short > story in Stuart David's stylee wins. They would > not have to be about B&S, > just something funny or touching thats happened > to you. i think that's a great idea! there's been much talk on some writing lists i sometimes dip into about 'flsh fiction' or 'postcard poetry', which is essentially what ink polaroids are... i actually like the ink polaroids name best :-) i don't think we have to say 'something funny' or 'touching'. the great thing about writing like this is it's just the great embodiement of moments that happen... whatever they may be. Here's three that i've just had developed to get us going duke. --------- Here’s one of me in my classroom. The pink thing on my shoulder is a flying pig. It’s really an old piece of bone that I used to make the kids sit and draw, but one day Clare looked at it and said it looked like a flying pig. It really did too, so one lunchtime she painted it pink and now it sits on my desk and holds paintbrushes. This is one of Rozlyn pretending to paint the ‘Boredom Or Fire Raisers, You Can’t Have Both’ graffiti on a beach shelter on Troon prom. I’d actually painted the slogan the night before, but we wanted the picture for the cover of a magazine. Rozlyn is a bit blurred because she kept moving her hair. A couple of years later some kids burnt the shelter down, and it was in the local paper about Fire Raisers going on an arson binge. I was going to tell the paper it was me who painted it and that it was nothing to do with the arson, but my brother told me not to. This is my classroom again, and over by the desk you can just see the only stereo cassette player in the school . It kind of lives in my classroom though because no one else uses it much. It’s actually playing a tape of ‘Tigermilk’. The girls standing by the desk are called Becky and Ella, and the reason they’re laughing is that Cindy just said the tape sounds like Simon & Garfunkel on Speed. I’m laughing too, which is probably why the picture is a bit blurred. Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psu338 at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 14:56:13 1997 From: psu338 at xxx.uk (J.P.Ord) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:56:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Belle and Christianity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I see "If You're Feeling Sinister" as being a very cynical, anti-religion song and so was surprised to read Stuart Murdoch declare his faith, and the fact that he lives within the confines of a church, in a recent Melody Maker interview. Phil Ord. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From scp2cm at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 14:56:29 1997 From: scp2cm at xxx.uk (Mr Christopher D Martin) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:56:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: A quick introduction Message-ID: <199708281356.OAA08554@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> A quick introduction, to apologize for not being able to change my name. Though I don't know if this is a introductory type place to be. I taped a radio show, about a year ago, and rediscovered the tape when finally trying to sort them out. It included a beautiful song, expectations by an band unknown to me. I don't know what it was about this song that struck a chord in me: I was sure that I had heard it somewhere before, but hadn't. So, like probably a legion of people, I went into my local record shop to ask about this album called Tigermilk. How they laughed. But I was hooked. And have been ever since. Well, I'm Chris and pleased to make your aquantance. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Gregg_Weiss at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 15:57:00 1997 From: Gregg_Weiss at xxx.com (Gregg Weiss) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 8:57 -0600 Subject: Sinister: administrative query; sorry! Message-ID: <199708281356.OAA13090@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Silly me deleted the message by accident containing the admin information of the new list. Can someone please tell me how to subscribe to the digest and cease receiving separate messages? Thanks much, Gregg ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 14:54:16 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:54:16 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Where do List Commands Go? Message-ID: <01BCB398.598DD700@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Where do List Commands Go ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 15:13:40 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:13:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Early days Message-ID: Early days, but please remember that questions about how the list works should be NOT be sent to the list but to ME at: owner-sinister at majordomo.net Preferably see my WWW page listed in the footer of every message. If you can't get to the WWW then send the command "info sinister" to: majordomo at majordomo.net Ta, shut up Paul. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 16:13:26 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:13:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: *Tigermilk* Message-ID: <0039600000004294000002L042*@MHS> er, kate (and anyone else), all you have to do is ask (nicely). i'm happy to tape tigermilk for anyone who sends me a blank tape (or, better still, a recorded one) and return postage. there are people on the list that were previously happy to handle the american side of things too (whether they still are now that there are 200 people on the list is a different matter, the chance that i'll get 200 requests for tapes is kinda daunting). so yeah, email me and i'll send you my address but if i get stupid numbers of requests i'll have to start refusing... and, of course, all those people i've already done tapes for, they'll help you too, i'm sure of it... andy andrew.dean at bull.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 16:24:26 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:24:26 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199708281416.PAA17249@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> >Have you got on MINI DISC ??? >And i never listened to *TIGERMILK* ! If anybody else wants a copy of Tigermilk on Minidisc, get in touch. If anybody wants to pay 200 pounds for Tigermilk, I'll be tempted to sell mine ! :) John S ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 15:42:09 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:42:09 -0400 Subject: Sinister: More ink poloroids Message-ID: <01BCB39F.09C35720@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> 234 Here's one of me standing in line to be let into the Angel Orresanz foundation building. The reason I look so tired is because I stayed on St. Marks place the night before. I was supposed to stay with my cousin, but when I brought my three friends, it pissed him off, and he kicked me out. Some people are offering me $50 each for my tickets, but I said fuck them. It turned out that I slept during the show, but those seats were so comfortable... 587 Here's one of me trying to say hello to Chris. It's difficult to make me out because of the 50 screaming girls. I wanted to thank him for the interview he and Stuart did for my fanzine. I never did get to thank him. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 16:03:39 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:03:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: I'll help too. Message-ID: <199708281503.QAA01966@brookes.ac.uk> Having just got my copy of Tigermilk, and a load of sessions from Mark Radcliffe and Mark Lamarr, I'll tape anyone who wants a copy too. As Andrew said, just send me a blank tape, and I'll do it. E-mail me direct to get my address and stuff. Ben. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stip at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 16:20:07 1997 From: Stip at xxx.uk (Stip / Blue Music) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:20:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S / Polar Bear / Hello! Message-ID: Hi everyone I've been on the list for a couple of days now, and have been feeling a little furtive for homing on on all of of your conversations without letting on that I'm reading them, so here I am, outing myself. Following a brief spell during which I refused to look/listen into the magic of Belle & Sebastian due to my assumptions that they were inherently linked to their animated counterparts (does anyone remember that strange Norweigian cartoon?), I stumbled upon them in Glasgow one day, and things have never been quite the same... Also, Andy Dean was asking something about Polar Bear - I don't know a great deal, but I can tell you that their debut single was called Starfighter Pilot, and did indeed come out on Electric Honey, the same label which released Tigermilk. Inkeeping with this tradition, it also looks like they are now signed to Jeepster Recordings, home, of course, to B & S. I managed to procure a copy of said single in the Notting Hill record exchange, and a fine record it is - and Stuart Murdoch provides some backing vocals and whistles and things throughout. I'm not sure where it's available now, but Starfighter Pilot, and the third track, Safety, are magic. Sorry for the length of this message - just thought I'd say Hi Love Nicola x ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From galaxie at xxx.br Thu Aug 28 13:27:51 1997 From: galaxie at xxx.br (galaxie) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:27:51 -0300 Subject: Sinister: re:Galaxie's idea. Message-ID: <199708281530.MAA27237@domain.com.br> ---------- > De: Ivo A.P. Escossia > Para: sinister at majordomo.net > Assunto: Re: Sinister: re:Galaxie's idea. > Data: Quinta-feira, 28 de Agosto de 1997 08:04 > > At 09:57 28/08/97 +0100, you wrote: > >i have a couple of tape copies, > >one on mini-disc .i actually > >like the idea that they NEVER re-issue it > > > Come on !!!! > Have you got on MINI DISC ??? > And i never listened to *TIGERMILK* ! > not just me, i think !!!! > What's the problem making "some money" NOW ??? > > Ivo Augusto > Ps: I don't have 200 pounds to pay for a copy of *Tigermilk*. > > Don't think any os us "common people" has that money to give on such collector's item either, but it's still my opinion that they should make more copies of Tigermik for the ones who, just like myself and Ivo are feeling sinister 'cause tehy never listened ot it, in spite of all the lucky ones who have. Cecille > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ahacop at xxx.edu Thu Aug 28 17:06:55 1997 From: ahacop at xxx.edu (Ara Hacopian) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: B&S in the US In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Klas Ericsson wrote: > And please excuse my interest in USA and New York, but has there been a lot > written about B&S over there or how have they become so popular (apart from > making great music)? Well, I haven't read anything about B&S on anything but the indiepop list (for the past year!!) and here, but I do know that IYFS peaked on the CMJ (college radio) charts at #5. So, yea, I think they are fairly popular in college radio. - Ara Hacopian - ahacop at wam.umd.edu - http://www.wam.umd.edu/~ahacop - "The Pop Loser Show (Summer Pop Radio)" Tuesdays noon-3pm WMUC-FM 88.1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From galaxie at xxx.br Thu Aug 28 17:06:10 1997 From: galaxie at xxx.br (galaxie) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:06:10 -0300 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Christianity Message-ID: <199708281616.NAA29982@domain.com.br> J.P. Ord wrote > I see "If You're Feeling Sinister" as being a very cynical, > anti-religion song and so was surprised to read Stuart Murdoch declare > his faith, and the fact that he lives within the confines of a church, > in a recent Melody Maker interview. It's the 90's and everyone is a cynic, but maybe he really meant it. I regard Murdoch as a different character, as someone who got tired of keeping that casual/cynic posture that is so dear and common practice among too many these days. But it's my imagination, and if I met him, it might melt or fade. Cecilia ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From friday at xxx.org Thu Aug 28 18:00:16 1997 From: friday at xxx.org (Famous Goodbye King) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: how I first heard B&S... In-Reply-To: from "Tyson McCrearareary" at Aug 27, 97 02:55:43 pm Message-ID: <199708281700.NAA29395@asylum.apocalypse.org> > They had a silly "New Band Night" on the big radio station in San > Francisco, and for whatever reason I decided to write down the names of hey neighbor! i was browsing the record store near my house and complaining to a friend that i was growing bored with the music i listen to and i don't have any leads on new music... so when i got to the counter, jennifer (who i talk record label shop with all the time... she works there) had place the very red IYFS cd there and said "buy this"... and i did. funny as it is... i saw jennifer at the record store a few weeks later and told her that B&S rocks my world... and we started to talk about Tigermilk (which i'll never have) and she said she had it and i asked how and she said that she got like the last copy at a glasgow record store a year ago... i exploded, i was in glasgow at the same time (and edinburgh for the fringe) talking to her i'm sure we crossed paths there... cept i was going crazy at being able to buy iain banks watching the same show over and over (stage production of _surviving desire_ by hal hartley).. and she was going nuts over B&S. wow. > in the record shop and took a chance. The cashier said, "This is an > amazing record." It didn't take long for me to agree, and get everyone I was it the record collector on noe? rock on pioneers, reid ps. why won't they come to SF *WHINE* -- http://www.apocalypse.org/~friday Feeling so sad. friday at apocalypse.org Could it be you? It's all about, Could you be why I'm feeling so sad? Reid MacDonald -- Eggs ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Thu Aug 28 17:49:23 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:49:23 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Christianity Message-ID: <199708281704.TAA29683@mail1.isdnet.net> as a felt fan, i would recommend you start with the compilation called BUBBLEGUM PERFUME or the album FOREVER BREATHES THE LONELY WORD, both on creation... enjoy! alan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From samiam2 at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 19:02:46 1997 From: samiam2 at xxx.com (Sam Khater) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:02:46 -0500 Subject: Sinister: B&S US Releases References: Message-ID: <3405BD46.2606@ix.netcom.com> Does anyone know the release dates of these eps/singles in the U.S. Being on the wrong side of the ocean, I can only locate 'If you're' and nothing else. This is even using some pretty good indie stores on the Web. I was able to snag a copy of 'Dog on Wheels' through a friend, but still have never seen it in a store. Sam ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From david.richardson9 at xxx.net Wed Aug 27 18:51:45 1997 From: david.richardson9 at xxx.net (Chriz) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:51:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Seymour Stein Message-ID: <34046931.7EEF@virgin.net> Hi all wow, this new list looks great, I havn't had so much mail from the list in one day !!! ( Probably due to most of it getting lost @coollist!!! ) This is a kinda continuation from the last list, about what Seymour Stein was about, well you can make your own minds up now !! And also a chance for me to test the amazing claims that this message will actually arrive at the list !! < ha ha > Has the other list closed down then and has everyone been taken off it ?? Seymour Stein Lyrics ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬` Seymour Stein Ive been lonely got a glimse of someones face it reminded me id been crying half a world away ticket it for a plane record company man I wont be coming to diner my thoughs are far away And Im working on the day love country girl I think shes gone to promises of fame promises of fortune LA to New York SanFransisco back to Boston Long for Scotland has he seen wont he hire a limosine Seymour sent her back to me I heard it ********* you like chris' jacket he reminded you of jonny before he got electronic Seymour Stein Sorry I missed you Have nice flight home It's a good day for flying Seymour Stein Seymour Stein Seymour Stein Seymour Stein Ok these lyrics aren't 100% accurate, there as good as I can make them out, the *** are the bits I cant make out so if any one has any idea of the real lyrics then post them into the list.! Chriz :-)) +++++++++++++++++++++++ '...things exist in their essence even before they are materially realised and named' +++++++++++++++++++++++ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike.newman at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 18:18:34 1997 From: mike.newman at xxx.net (Mike Newman) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:18:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Flying Nun In-Reply-To: <3404C478.1995@interaccess.com> Message-ID: << Any flying nun fans out there? >> Oh yeah! Esp. The Bats and Verlaines. --------------------------------------------------------- Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Aug 28 17:13:48 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:13:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap / some questions for the faq Message-ID: <01BCB3D5.C078CF00@rainbow.qss.co.uk> >ooh...have B&S done stuff with any other bands do you know??? [Keith Watson] Chris does play with V-Twin, with his brother Kevin - oddly enough, recently in the press Chris claimed to have never heard Tindersticks. Myself, and some friends, including Chris's brother went down to London 3/4 years ago to the NME quiz final, Kevin introduced me to Tindersticks there so you might have thought. The trumpeter (Mick Cooke) plays guitar in Hardbody with his brother Alasdair, Louise, Toby and Ronan, a kind of Trip hop cum James Bond theme style band. They were signed to Epic until Epic took it upon themselves to drop everyone except Louise. Their album, as it stands, with Mick playing Guitar will be released some time next year... incidentally, they recorded it in New Orleans at the same time as that large ship crashed into a shopping centre. They have two singles out on Epic currently (it's on the Haiku sublabel - same as Finley Quaye) On your own Hazel's Hob Don't think V-Twin have actually put anything out yet. I'll find out if I bump into Kevin round the town. V-Twin play reasonably frequently around Glasgow/Edinburgh, I didn't make it to the Cas Rock show last week unfortunately as I was ill and am as a result yet to in fact see them myself. I'll remedy this soon. Friends tell me they rock - like the Faces perhaps. Cheers, Keith ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 18:59:32 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:59:32 +0100 () Subject: No subject Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:20:28 +0200 From: Arantxa Ubieta - Peter Miller Organization: Traducciones Ubieta Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Subject: Re: Sinister: re:Klas Ericsson and long distance running. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01BCB3B2.7105FE20 at host5-99-54-54.btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The film is absobloodylutely brilliant. Very Morrissey. Although Saturday Night and Sunday Morning is better. Re: Relevant messages. I hope we don't get to the poinnt of censorship. One idea might be for us all to include an explicit ( in the sense of explanatory ) subject line. That way people can delete straight away without wasting their time. Personally I'm all for a rich and varied range of subjects, after all, they all start off as B&S related. I think it would be a shame to restrict it. If any of you have been unfortunate enough to see the Beach Boys message board, you'll be familiar with the effects of heavy-handed management. Almost every time I post something I get accused of attacking people or whatever, when all I'm trying to do is offer what little bit of information I can in my own style. Which is a bit daft at times, but I hope never offensive or abrasive. I'm always on my best behaviour on the computer. Ooh, I do waffle sometimes. So, I vote for free speech. Otherwise we don't get to find out what everybody's really like. Re: Stars of Field I had the honour of representing my school at high jump when I was about eleven. At the county championships I didn't clear a single whatever you call it. Re. B&S members sporting antics. I'm sure I read somewhere that Stuart Murdoch was once an ameteur boxer. Then again I might have dreamt it. Re: Cut and Paste. How does that work, then? I'm green with envy every time I see these nicely laid out replies. All right, all right, I'm going! Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 19:10:09 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:10:09 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: Oops Message-ID: Oops that's torn it. Any who knows the majordomo software will know I messed up there (but I rectified it!). I am having a lot of trouble keeping submissions to the list restricted only to list members (an attempt to stop email) so I am about to open it up to submissions to anyone. The problem is that people's email programs generate different emails addresses than their subscription addresses. But I can't keep up with fixing these - at least 10 today already so I will open the list up to postings from anyone I'm afraid. Please let me know if anyone thinks we are being troubled by junk email from outsiders. On the subject of "irrelevancy" I still welcome comments like below - but could they be sent to me rather than the list? I am happy to abide by the majority decision and certainly don't want to censor - just trying to make the list good for everyone. I promise I will fairly summarise the majority feeling and act accordingly. Paul (your list admin) psm at majordomo.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:59:32 +0100 () From: Honey To: sinister at majordomo.net The film is absobloodylutely brilliant. Very Morrissey. Although Saturday Night and Sunday Morning is better. Re: Relevant messages. I hope we don't get to the poinnt of censorship.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Pam_Berry at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 18:34:00 1997 From: Pam_Berry at xxx.com (Pam Berry) Date: 28 Aug 97 13:34 -0400 Subject: Sinister: my raison d'etre: u.s. of a. tigermilk taping Message-ID: <199708281811.TAA10217@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> well hello everyone, sometime within the last day or so andy dean said: >there are people on the list that were previously happy to handle the >american side of things too (whether they still are now that there >are 200 people on the list is a different matter, the chance that >i'll get 200 requests for tapes is kinda daunting). and >and, of course, all those people i've already done tapes for, they'll >help you too, i'm sure of it... count me in both categories, if anyone over here needs a tape, I'm everhappy to dub a copy of the tigermilk/sessions tape andy sent me originally. just send a 90 minute tape my way: 1853 monroe st. NW washington, DC 20010 USA or if it's easier, e-mail me at home to let me know you want one and I'll get started on it in a timely fashion, which is not like me at all, but this is belle and sebastian we're talking about and people can change. we can always work out some sort of trade for postage. I'll dub until the dubber breaks, then if need be, I'll go next door and dub some more (borrow a cup of sugar and a tigermilk dub?)... cheers, pam plb at tiac.net home pberry at washcp.com work ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 19:17:03 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:17:03 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Seymour Stein Message-ID: <01BCB3BD.1216B480@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> I think that line about Chris Geddes reminding Symour Stein of Johnny Marr is hilarious. Johhnyy before he went electronic... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Skreddy56 at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 20:42:33 1997 From: Skreddy56 at xxx.com (Skreddy56 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: smut on the list Message-ID: <970828153953_1252817984@emout09.mail.aol.com> Since some people are kind of upset with all the non-B+S stuff that pops up on the list, I have a suggestion. What about a newsgroup (alt.music.belleandsebastian, maybe?)? The down side would be, of course, a lot of smut that isn't even related to music. Another thing, however, would be that it might sort of devalue this list. I don't want to sew any dissension in the ranks (what with a shiny new list and all), and I certainly like having things in my mailbox, so what are some of the ideas on this? --Matt Waggner --wasn't there someone who was upset at their choice of shirts? If you wanted, I'd be happy to pick up the other one for you (if they have the same ones) at the NY show. Just let me know, and I'll see what I can do... --any word yet on a Boston show? it's getting pretty close to "too late"... --one last note--(not to stir up the "elvis" controversy just when it was about petered out) I think Elvis could just be a friendly sort of wanderer in the neighborhood--There are a couple people in my neighborhood who are familiar faces, and while we're not that friendly with them that they could come in the house and watch TV, it wouldn't be inconcievable... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From AEHering at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 20:46:24 1997 From: AEHering at xxx.com (AEHering at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk / Verve etc. Message-ID: <970828154544_499615005@emout10.mail.aol.com> As far as I'm aware, the next single contains at least A Century of Fakers, Le Pastie de la Bourgeousie and Beautiful (interesting to note that ALL these songs were written at least as far back as when Tigermilk came out). Earlier ... Le Pastie De La Bourgeousie was probably the first classic Stuart Murdoch ever wrote as well as being the title of his very first demo tape ... dunno what will happen to this wonderful tune in the studio, but it was breathtaking when first heard accoustically in '94 ... prepare yourself for a classic ... Perfection As A Hipster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Thu Aug 28 21:00:14 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: re: Tour funds Message-ID: Are Belle and Sebastian's current US "tour" being funded through the label (that being either Jeepster, or the Enclave), or by themselves? Is Jeepster there own label, or some indie wing off a major? jes' wonderin' ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From samiam2 at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 22:14:56 1997 From: samiam2 at xxx.com (Sam Khater) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:14:56 -0500 Subject: Sinister: smut on the list References: <970828153953_1252817984@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <3405EA4F.171C8E59@ix.netcom.com> Once the 'newness' of this list wears off, traffic will decrease as well. Sam Skreddy56 at aol.com wrote: > Since some people are kind of upset with all the non-B+S stuff that pops up > on the list, I have a suggestion. What about a newsgroup > (alt.music.belleandsebastian, maybe?)? The down side would be, of course, a > lot of smut that isn't even related to music. Another thing, however, would > be that it might sort of devalue this list. I don't want to sew any > dissension in the ranks (what with a shiny new list and all), and I certainly > like having things in my mailbox, so what are some of the ideas on this? > --Matt Waggner > > --wasn't there someone who was upset at their choice of shirts? If you > wanted, I'd be happy to pick up the other one for you (if they have the same > ones) at the NY show. Just let me know, and I'll see what I can do... > --any word yet on a Boston show? it's getting pretty close to "too late"... > --one last note--(not to stir up the "elvis" controversy just when it was > about petered out) I think Elvis could just be a friendly sort of wanderer in > the neighborhood--There are a couple people in my neighborhood who are > familiar faces, and while we're not that friendly with them that they could > come in the house and watch TV, it wouldn't be inconcievable... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 21:37:19 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:37:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:Skreddy56 Message-ID: <01BCB3FA.A6AECA00@host5-99-57-51.btinternet.com> so your local tramps lick the pavement as well do they? I'm afraid it's still between the dog and the cat. Is anyone else getting really paranoid that they're mail is irrelevant? I am, because mine are. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 21:42:39 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:42:39 -0400 Subject: Sinister: US Tour Message-ID: <01BCB3D1.665F7540@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Alas...There is no US tour. Just three shows in New York as far as I know. There might be a show in Chicago too, but the way things are going, that is highly doubtable. The New York show would have been funded through the Enclave who had big major label money...but now I guess the tour is being funded by Jeepster on a slightly more shoestring budget. (i hope they won't be staying on St. Marks place, otherwise it could be a title for a new song of theirs). Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From AEHering at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 22:15:05 1997 From: AEHering at xxx.com (AEHering at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Belle and Christianity Message-ID: <970828171324_-768768142@emout02.mail.aol.com> >as a felt fan, i would recommend you start with the compilation called >BUBBLEGUM PERFUME or the album FOREVER BREATHES THE LONELY >WORD, both on creation... Nah ... the original vinyl is sold out ... henceforth, purchase the mid-priced Train Above The City / The Pictorial Jackson Review CD to catch them at their best ... available, for example, from Rhythm Records, 12 Gwydir Street, Cambridge, CB1 2LL, England ... Besides, produced by James Joseph Foster ... a forgotten P!O!P! hero ... Perfection As A Hipster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From AEHering at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 22:15:26 1997 From: AEHering at xxx.com (AEHering at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Amateur boxer ... Message-ID: <970828171319_906288242@emout20.mail.aol.com> >I'm sure I read somewhere that Stuart Murdoch was once an ameteur boxer. >Then again I might have dreamt it. Surely not ... he was most probably talking about a person he once met ... Perfection As A Hipster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From AEHering at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 22:17:43 1997 From: AEHering at xxx.com (AEHering at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap Message-ID: <970828171331_1159414258@emout03.mail.aol.com> << ooh...have B&S done stuff with any other bands do you know??? >> Hmmm ... Stuart Murdoch supported the Pastels ages ago ... he joined the then unsigned DIGGER$ (... nowadays on Creation ... recommended) for a very short time ... and he planned projects with Douglas BMX Bandit, but this never happened ... Perfection As A Hipster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cateran at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 23:25:05 1997 From: cateran at xxx.com (Sandy Blair) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:25:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle influences Message-ID: I can't be the only one that is pretty bored by the constant comparisons to Nick Drake, they are misleading at best. OK there is the plaintive vocals but the music is very different. I hate it when B&S are described as 'folky' too The first thing I thought of when I heard Mayfly (for instance) was 'Drumbeat for Baby' by Weekend. Have B&S ever mentioned Weekend??? Come to think of it Young Marble Giants spring to mind too, despite the minimalism of the instrumentation which is very different to B&S (which only sounds simple by the admirable restraint and careful complimantary playing of the Bellesters). When I saw YMG (sorry just had to mention that, it was in Dunfermline, support was the Thompson Twins) they managed the same B&S type spell which the best B&S gigs have. Felt are mentioned, and at least I can kinda agree with that, though only early Felt, and only in a Durutti Column sort of way. Nothing past 'crumbling...' I would have thought. Anyway, other suggestions? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ctrips at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 23:46:22 1997 From: ctrips at xxx.com (rich) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:46:22 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk / Verve etc. References: <970828154544_499615005@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <3405FFBE.1F188CE3@cris.com> If your computer is wired for sound you MUST download Le Pastie de la Bourgeousie off the official site. It is only a one-minute clip but worth the wait. This will be the single of the year!!! Check it out at http://www.totalweb.co.uk/belleandsebastian/ Rich AEHering at aol.com wrote: > > As far as I'm aware, the next single contains at least A Century of Fakers, > Le Pastie de la Bourgeousie and Beautiful (interesting to note that ALL these > songs were written at least as far back as when Tigermilk came out). > > Earlier ... Le Pastie De La Bourgeousie was probably the first classic Stuart > Murdoch ever wrote as well as being the title of his very first demo tape ... > dunno what will happen to this wonderful tune in the studio, but it was > breathtaking when first heard accoustically in '94 ... prepare yourself for a > classic ... > > Perfection As A Hipster > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Thu Aug 28 23:50:57 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:50:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: girls, shopping, dogs... References: <0039600000003926000002L062*@MHS> Message-ID: <340600D1.8A6C6AA@mcmail.com> > - the names of everyone in the publicity shots and cover shots. that IS a girl on Dog On Wheels, right? --gorgeous either way but I just wondered... > - lists of alternative phrases that stuart's instead of 'c&a' (or is > it > debenhams where the tables are moved?) whilst playing live ('prince's > street' > in edinburgh, 'oxford street' in london). yeah, ok, it's a short > list... 8) actually it was marks and sparks where the tables got moved..... Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Skreddy56 at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 01:05:23 1997 From: Skreddy56 at xxx.com (Skreddy56 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: showing my cultural illiteracy Message-ID: <970828200522_1144187585@emout02.mail.aol.com> I don't want to sound really stupid, but how much is a quid? I know that once you get 200 of them you can get across the ocean, but I don't know how high airfare runs over in England. >>so your local tramps lick the pavement as well do they? among other things. --Matt Waggner ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ahacop at xxx.edu Fri Aug 29 02:48:05 1997 From: ahacop at xxx.edu (Ara Hacopian) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Dog On Wheels In-Reply-To: <970828200522_1144187585@emout02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Anyone know of any mailorder place I can get Dog On Wheels from in the US? Thanks. - Ara Hacopian - ahacop at wam.umd.edu - http://www.wam.umd.edu/~ahacop - "The Pop Loser Show (Summer Pop Radio)" Tuesdays noon-3pm WMUC-FM 88.1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tdzF94 at xxx.edu Fri Aug 29 03:15:16 1997 From: tdzF94 at xxx.edu (The Trainspotter) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Dog On Wheels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yes Newbury Comics or Vintage Vinyl (both have web sites) - Vintage Vinyl is a local store by my house that is great if your nearby. (btw my brother goes to maryland too). w/ chocolate and pomeade, -ms. teri (in love with stuart murdoch) http://hampshire.edu/~tdzF94/ "I lost an important part of my brain, somewhere, somewhere, in a field, in Hampshire". Pulp "Neil, is it really necessary to nail the plates to the table? What happens when we want to play Monopoly? Go directly to plate? Do not pass plate nailed to the table by a stupid hippie?" Vyv, The Young Ones On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Ara Hacopian wrote: > > Anyone know of any mailorder place I can get Dog On Wheels from in the US? > > Thanks. > > - Ara Hacopian > - ahacop at wam.umd.edu > - http://www.wam.umd.edu/~ahacop > - "The Pop Loser Show (Summer Pop Radio)" Tuesdays noon-3pm WMUC-FM 88.1 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Landmine9 at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 06:15:02 1997 From: Landmine9 at xxx.com (Landmine9 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: As big as the Cardigans?!? Message-ID: <970829011500_-65856310@emout11.mail.aol.com> A faraway friend mentioned the other day that he believed Belle and Sebastian would be as big as the Cardigans soon enough. I can't really see this happening. The Cardigans have a dancey aspect that makes them more accessible to a wider audience. I have heard from more than one person that B&S are "depressing," thus destroying any mass appeal they might have. I have even played them for a couple of people who I was certain would like them, and they just kind of shrugged. Even the friend who likes Simon and Garfunkel and does speed didn't like them. What do you think? Are they movin' on up? And what kind of effect will their rather odd way of dealing with press effect it? michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Landmine9 at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 07:00:22 1997 From: Landmine9 at xxx.com (Landmine9 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 02:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: an ink polaroid Message-ID: <970829020021_-1402204586@emout04.mail.aol.com> It's late and i can't sleep, so what the heck... michael ------------- I took this one when I was in France. The girl hanging out of the window is Vanessa. Joanne wanted me to show her which dorm window was hers, and as I was pointing, she popped her head out. "Allo, Joanne!" she said. Well, needless to say, I fell instantly in love with her. She invited us all out for dancing that night, and as we stood around planning how to get into the dorm past curfew, she just leaned out, smiling on us. The hand popping up into the bottom of the picture is Jenn's. She was waving her hands over her head saying there was no way she was going to climb up a sheet into the second story window. Not that I blame her. She always was kind of awkward. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike.newman at xxx.net Fri Aug 29 08:04:41 1997 From: mike.newman at xxx.net (Mike Newman) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:04:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Dog On Wheels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:15:16 -0400 (EDT), The Trainspotter said: << Vintage Vinyl is a local store by my house that is great if your nearby. >> Is that the Vintage Vinyl in St.Louis? --------------------------------------------------------- Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Fri Aug 29 08:57:23 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:57:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: As big as the Cardigans?!? References: <970829011500_-65856310@emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <340680E3.86CB2229@virgin.net> Landmine9 at aol.com wrote: > > A faraway friend mentioned the other day that he believed Belle and > Sebastian > would be as big as the Cardigans soon enough. > > I can't really see this happening. The Cardigans have a dancey aspect > that > makes them more accessible to a wider audience. I have heard from > more than > one person that B&S are "depressing," thus destroying any mass appeal > they > might have. I have even played them for a couple of people who I was > certain > would like them, and they just kind of shrugged. Even the friend who > likes > Simon and Garfunkel and does speed didn't like them. > > What do you think? Are they movin' on up? And what kind of effect > will > their rather odd way of dealing with press effect it? > > michael as big as the cardigans may soon become a terribly known underestimate of their impending greatness. has anyone read Select magazine yet? they conducted a league of bands and bought in a team of judges, the idea being to whittle all the current contenders down to a few important bands, Belle and Sebastian came second, only after Bentley Rhythm Ace, and only because Andy Ross at Food hates B&S with a passion. Belle and Sebastian may not be the Spice Girls, but we're not talking about that leg of the race are we? We're talking in the vein of The Smiths and Joy Division, Velvet Underground and every other act that has proved timeless and important to us. And put like that, Belle and Sebastian are going to be stupidly big, whether they do press or not. They are the only band I can name who are important not because of a photo or interview, or drugs and a rock and roll ability to blag, but simply because of great records. As big as the cardigans indeed! -- ************************************************************** http://freespace.virgin.net/d.kitchen/Bluesoda.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Fri Aug 29 09:04:52 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:04:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Compo! Compo! Message-ID: <340682A3.688829D4@virgin.net> yeah, the suggestion is a good one. anyone who writes the best Ink Polaroid in Stuart David's style wins 3 posters (one for sinister, one for dog on wheels and one for lazy line)and a t-shirt (size and colour of choice). The rules: 1/ Only one entry per person, no cheating I'm going to keep 'em all plus they'll be in the archive for me to check. 2/ Not B&S related! (sorry Paul but I was speaking to Stuart Murdoch about this and he said he wanted it like this so he can enjoy reading them too.) 3/ Not too long. The list I've no doubt is putting a strain on people's inbox and slow modems. So please keep it shortish. 4/ The subject line in the e-mail has to be "Compo" for it to be valid, this way people who don't want to read them can delete them at leisure and it's easier for me to sort through them. Compo will close on October 1st 1997. So all entries in by then. The judges will be myself and if they want to: Honey, Duke of Haringey, Andy Dean and maybe Stuart Murdoch and Stuart David. love David Kitchen -- ************************************************************** http://freespace.virgin.net/d.kitchen/Bluesoda.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Thu Aug 28 23:48:18 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:48:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Seymour Stein References: <34046931.7EEF@virgin.net> Message-ID: <34060032.E21C00A0@virgin.net> Chriz wrote: Seymour Stein Lyrics Hope you don't mind Chriz(s?) if i correct them ...? Seymour Stein I've been lonely Caught a glimpse of someones face It reminded me I'd been crying Half a world away Ticket for a plane Record company man I won't be coming to dinner My thoughs are far away And I'm working on that day North country girl I think she's gone to ... Promises of fame Promises of fortune LA to New York San Fransisco back to Boston North of Scotland has he seen Won't he hire a limousine Seymour send her back to me I heard dinner went well You liked (*) Chris' jacket He reminded you of Johnny Before he got Electronic Seymour Stein Sorry I missed you Have a nice flight home It's a good day for flying Seymour Stein (x4) How's that? Please also feel free to insert "wee" at the *, as this is generally included in the live version. Cheers, Katrina. ************************************************************** http://freespace.virgin.net/d.kitchen/Bluesoda.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 11:02:30 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:02:30 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199708290854.JAA13176@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> >Stuart Murdoch ... joined the then unsigned DIGGER$ (... nowadays on Creation ... >recommended) for a very short time ... Wow, I never knew this. I saw The Diggers support The Supernaturals last year in Edinburgh. They were really, really good. John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Fri Aug 29 10:01:36 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:01:36 +0200 Subject: Sinister: The State I am In Message-ID: <199708290901.LAA01668@mail2.isdnet.net> right! the chords are farly simple: starts off like so: B F# A B F# E G B E B F# B then tha "stars of..." is just F# then F# minor then E listen to the record for the length of each chord, i can't be arsed to work it out!! actually i know most of the songs on the album...just mail me for them!! alan ---------- > De : MULLEN JA > A : sinister at majordomo.net > Objet : Sinister: The State I am In > Date : jeudi 28 août 1997 15:42 > > Hi, I'm a new user, who only recently got into B and S. Does anybody > know if it's possible to get Belle sheet-music, or if anybody has > transcribed/made a rough guess at the music for any of their songs. I > would love to know the chords for Stars..., (I think it's played in a > slightly off-kilter key, hence I can't duplicate it.) Whatever. I > hope everyone's having a nice day. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From belin at xxx.be Fri Aug 29 12:08:11 1997 From: belin at xxx.be (Emmanuel Belin) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:08:11 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Tour in Europe /Belgium ? Message-ID: <3406AD9B.222D@reco.ucl.ac.be> I'm from Brussels, and it would be great if B&S were to come there -- of course, I know that we should be objective cause the others boys, etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Fri Aug 29 10:26:40 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:26:40 +0200 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199708290924.LAA03702@mail2.isdnet.net> i love this band, right...but the problem is i live in france...and when i try to tell people about them and stuff, they they smile, or just downright make fun of me...i don't know if you all know this, but "belle et sebatien" was the name of a rather soppy tv show about a small boy and this bloody great dog...a french show...from which the obvious question springs : was it shown in england? oh and someone was wanting the chords to the songs...mail me for them, i can give you most of the album... alan "i don't want to be faded skin i don't want to fade out, i want to fade in..." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Fri Aug 29 10:27:58 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:27:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: As big as the Cardigans?!? Message-ID: Surely B&S's sound is far too intimate to be huge. A song like "Get me away from here, I'm dying" would be completely lost in a stadium. They'll only get big if they beef it up, in the same way as the Divine Comedy have become successful only since they got a 40 piece orchestra in to record the Casanova album (which incidentally is fabulous). The closest B&S have got to that so far was on LLPJ, which almost went top 40 as a result. As for being too miserable to be popular, well OK so they're not ABBA (hey shame!). But they're complete hedonists compared to Radiohead, and OK Computer was a number one all over the world. Stuart G > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Fri Aug 29 10:31:00 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:31:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199708290924.LAA03702@mail2.isdnet.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Alan wrote: > i don't know if you all know this, but "belle et sebatien" > was the name of a rather soppy tv show about a small boy and this bloody > great dog...a french show...from which the obvious question springs : was > it shown in england? Hmm, this should be in a band FAQ - David Kitchen take note! Yes it was (is?) shown in the UK and old fogies like me remember it as part of their childhood - morning TV in the holidays. My girlfriend can even hum the tune still and do a great impersonation of the characters - she is on the list so if anyone wants more then beg LINDA KERR to give us a rendition in CAPITALS as she reads the digest. > oh and someone was wanting the chords to the songs...mail me for them, i > can give you most of the album... This should be in an FAQ probably sometime. Alan, and whoever else it was who mailed about this, if you get a chord list organised then mail it to me (complete or not) and I will put it on the WWW page. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Fri Aug 29 10:55:21 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:55:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Not B&S or Forest Related. Message-ID: <199708290955.KAA09043@brookes.ac.uk> On a blank piece of paper draw a pig. Then scroll down and read the interpretation of your pig!! Draw your pig first! And don't look at the next part until you are done! It won't be fun if you look first. ****************************************************** The pig serves as a useful test of the personality traits of the drawer. If the pig is drawn: Toward the top of the paper, you are positive and optimistic. Toward the middle, you are a realist. Toward the bottom, you are pessimistic, and have a tendency to behave negatively. Facing left, you believe in tradition, are friendly, and remember dates (birthdays, etc.) Facing right, you are innovative and active, but don't have a strong sense of family, nor do you remember dates. Facing front (looking at you), you are direct, enjoy playing devil's advocate and neither fear nor avoid discussions. With many details, you are analytical, cautious, and distrustful. With few details, you are emotional and naive, you care little for details and are a risk-taker. With less than 4 legs showing, you are insecure or are living through a period of major change. With 4 legs showing, you are secure, stubborn, and stick to your ideals. The size of the ears indicates how good a listener you are. The bigger the better. The length of the tail indicates the quality of your sex life!!!! (And again more is better!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Fri Aug 29 09:39:52 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:39:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: As big as the Cardigans?!? References: <970829011500_-65856310@emout11.mail.aol.com> <340680E3.86CB2229@virgin.net> Message-ID: <34068AD8.A9C3801D@mail.zynet.co.uk> > as big as the cardigans may soon become a > terribly known underestimate > of their impending greatness. yes, i thought the cardigans reference was hilarious! in a years' time i doubt anyone will remember the cardigans (which isn't to say i don't like their straight up Pop, just, well who remembers Frente!), whereas i have thought for ages that B&S were going to be very big indeed. > they conducted a league of bands and bought in a > team of judges, the > idea being to whittle all the current contenders > down to a few important > bands, Belle and Sebastian came second, only > after Bentley Rhythm Ace, > and only because Andy Ross at Food hates B&S > with a passion. well we all know he has the taste of a porcupine. (??!!) sorry to dis porcupines... > Belle and Sebastian may not be the Spice Girls, > but we're not talking > about that leg of the race are we? We're talking > in the vein of The > Smiths again the smiths... and again it's to do with the fact that B&S are at the stage where they generate polar opposites of opinion. You love them unconditionally or you think they're a bunch of depressing tossers. it was the same with the smiths, although that did change to some extent later on. As it will no doubt for B&S. The press can very easily pick up B&S and not give a toss about whether they give interviews or whatever... they can choose to describe them to their readers in any way they want, and i have a sneaky suspicion that they will push a line of B&S being the alternative to Oasis, something like that. But that's just my opinion. > They are the only band I can name who are > important not because of a > photo or interview, or drugs and a rock and roll > ability to blag, but > simply because of great records. oooh, that's being simplistic about the nature of POP surely? :-) we must know that the greatest thing about Pop is that a great record does not make a great Pop Group... it's a jigsaw puzzle of linked elements. it's clothes they wear, the way they dance (or not!), the things they say (or don't)... a whole host of things. B&S are not going to be big JUST because of great songs. That helps, but don't pretend they are outside the Pop circle and are not being forced to play by some of the media industry rules. respect, the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Fri Aug 29 09:25:11 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:25:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: stuart and the pastels References: <970828171331_1159414258@emout03.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <34068767.B2AB0DA@mail.zynet.co.uk> i heard a story from a reputable source that goes like this: There was a party being held by, i think, Stephen Pastel, at which were assembled various pop personages and other glasgow hipsters. Lois Maffeo was there also... So Stephen and Lois were playing some songs on guitars, and because they were hip everyone was going 'yeah, cool' and being sycophantic apparantly. ANyway, then Stuart played some of his own songs, and everyone (including Stephen and Lois) were looking really embarrassed and shifty, looking out the window, whatever, just not into it at all. So just so you know, there was a time when Stuart and his songs were not loved by the people of Glasgow... never mind anywhere else. the duke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Fri Aug 29 09:49:13 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:49:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sleeve 'stars' and other credits References: <0039600000003926000002L062*@MHS> <340600D1.8A6C6AA@mcmail.com> Message-ID: <34068D09.ABC5A42A@mail.zynet.co.uk> > > - the names of everyone in the publicity shots > and cover shots. > > that IS a girl on Dog On Wheels, right? > --gorgeous either way but I just > wondered... yes that IS a girl. i think i posted before and said she was a friend of Stuart Murdoch's, and is the subject of several songs, notably perhaps String Bean Jean. The dow, called 'Patch' belongs to her. She was also the cover star of Tigermilk, and Tigger, from that sleeve, is also hers'. (if you haven't seen the cover of Tigermilk check Andy Dean's site...). THis is also possibly a stumbling block for a re-issue of TM, in that i doubt very much if she wants to have her picture reproduced yet again, and in the quantities which it would be if TM were reissued. i'd say expect a different sleeve if it ever does come out again, or someone to be in a huff. other credits details: Andrew Symington who has been doing the sleeves is a glasgow friend of the band. He went to the Glasgow School of Art just after me, and i heard he was writing a thesis on Postcard records, but i don't know if he changed his mind on that one. he used to run the 'Divine' club nights in the Art School, and the 'Tummy Hop' club too. Probably more... He's been asked to DJ at the new 'Pastelism' nights apparantly. hope this tangential information is of interest to someone besides me :-) the duke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Fri Aug 29 12:04:48 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:04:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: tigermilk tapes (and v-twin) Message-ID: <0039600000009194000002L042*@MHS> something i should've pointed out yesterday (if it wasn't obvious) is that i'm in england and whilst all you people from faraway places can send me tapes for copies of tigermilk it'll cost you more and you're going to have difficulty with the return postage aspects of stuff (because english post offices don't accept american stamps, duh). international reply coupons do work but they mean i have to take a trip down to the postoffice to change them which'll delay your tape. so, basically, you yanks can go and ask pam for a copy instead (hooray for pam). (actually, i remember meaning to put 'i'm a tiger' by international strike force and 'i am milk' by garbage in the gaps at the end of pam's tape but i never did, i think you got 'white horses' and the adventures in stereo session instead). oh, and you get minus points if you offer me britpop tapes in exchange! v-twin supported b&s at the glasgow gig in march but they were on before adventures in stereo and b&s and so they counted as more of an annoyance than a treat and i can't remember a lot about them. andy andrew.dean at bull.net um, about 8 requests for copies so far, half of whom will probably never get around to sending the tapes so... oh, soozy, your sessions tape is done, i'll need an address... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Fri Aug 29 12:06:10 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:06:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: showing my cultural illiteracy Message-ID: <0039600000009207000002L072*@MHS> >I don't want to sound really stupid, but how much is a quid? I know that >once you get 200 of them you can get across the ocean, but I don't know how >high airfare runs over in England. a quid is one pound, worth about one and a half of your 'bucks'. return plane tickets from heathrow to new york start at around 219 quid (mine was 236). then the english and american governments both add 'airport tax' and stuff so 200 quid will probably only get you there and half way back. which is unfortunate. andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Fri Aug 29 11:00:40 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:00:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: RE: Dogs and small boys Message-ID: <01BCB46A.CB37DC20@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> >i love this band, right...but the problem is i live in france...and when i try to tell people about them and stuff, they they smile, or just downright make fun of me...i don't know if you all know this, but "belle et sebatien" was the name of a rather soppy tv show about a small boy and this bloody great dog...a french show...from which the obvious question springs : was it shown in england? Yes it was......it was shown on the BBC children's program slot (weekdays, 5-5.30), probably sometime in the early 70's. I seem to recall it being rather poorly dubbed into English, with a woman's voice for the part of the boy, Sebastian, (why do they always use women's voices for boy's parts?). I don't think they overdubbed the dog (Belle), which was a big white long-haired animal (St Bernard? Mountain dog?). At the time, the BBC were showing a lot of dubbed European childrens programs, such as Belle and Sebastian, The Singing Ringing Tree (Czech, I believe), and White Horses (of the wonderful Jackie theme song fame). I'm sure there were others...... Nigel xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Fri Aug 29 12:01:45 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:01:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: intimacy and the Pop experience References: Message-ID: <3406AC19.883B0EF0@mail.zynet.co.uk> > Surely B&S's sound is far too intimate to be > huge. A song like "Get me > away from here, I'm dying" would be completely > lost in a stadium. intimacy is internal. you listen to 'get me away' and you think intimate, but there are, how many people have bought 'Sinister'? How many have a tape from a friend? So on that level it's not an intimate experience at all. it's a mediated, illusary intimacy. AS for stadiums, well i dunno... that's Rock isn't it? And anyway, a band will inevitably change as success impinges on their range of choices of venue etc. and the sound will alter, whatever... an 'intimacy' will be lost and 'original' fans may get disillusioned (i hate to draw the smiths parallel again, but it fits...) and move on to newer things, but... again this is the nature of Pop. You have to celebrate it when it means a lot to you. If/When B&S get to playing stadiums, their sound will probably be different, they will be a different band, the fans will be different, will either have grown with or apart from the band... all of which is irrelevant in the here and now, however, because we aren't in love with the band that might be, we are in love with the band that IS. > As for being too miserable to be popular, well > OK so they're not ABBA > (hey shame!). But they're complete hedonists > compared to Radiohead, and > OK Computer was a number one all over the world. Radiohead are Rock and operate in a different realm to B&S. Their 'sadness' and their 'seriousness' are stereotyped, typically dull Boy Rock neuroses that have been done to death a million times before. It doesn't convince me at all. then again, i might have said that about the old Manic Street Preachers if i hadn't known them from the start, hadn't known Richey and all his genuine ideas and feelings. Whatever... There's a humour in B&S that a group like Radiohead wouldn't even begin to understand. And i laugh like i used to laugh when people told me the smiths were miserable, because them not getting the joke is funnier than the jokes themselves. whatever. keep the faith, the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Fri Aug 29 12:16:01 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:16:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle influences References: Message-ID: <3406AF71.B937BD1@mail.zynet.co.uk> > I can't be the only one that is pretty bored by > the constant comparisons to > Nick Drake, they are misleading at best. lazy and ill-informed is what i'd say, but hey! > OK there is the plaintive vocals but the music > is very different. I hate it > when B&S are described as 'folky' too um, i know what you mean, but there is nonetheless a folk tradtion in the songs, i think particularly in the narrative structure of many songs. > The first thing I thought of when I heard Mayfly > (for instance) was > 'Drumbeat for Baby' by Weekend. Have B&S ever > mentioned Weekend??? not as far as i know, but then i suspect that Stuart Murdoch is at least familiar with the work of Alison Statton and Stuart Moxham, in their many guises. i suspect that, Stuart being the age he is and of the things he has mentioned like Felt, he is most proabably aware of things such as YMG and also a lot of the mid 80s indie groups like, say the great lost Emily, another group with whom i sometimes think B&S could be likened, if you wanted to do such things. I would really like to know, however, if he's familiar with the group McCarthy (Tim Gane of Stereolab was the guitarist, and they were members of the RCP at the time - Revolutionary Communist PArty for those who don't know... sounds rather quaint now doesn't it?!) because 'la pastie...' sounds like a McCarthy title if ever there was one! (they had a great song called 'we are all bourgeouis now', in fact!). McCarthy played in Glasgow quite regularly, and i wonder if Stuart was there? > Felt are mentioned, and at least I can kinda > agree with that, though only > early Felt, and only in a Durutti Column sort of > way. Nothing past > 'crumbling...' I would have thought. i dunno, i get the feeling that Stuart was bit of a Lawrence obsessive, which i can entirely understand (been there, done that!), so i'd say that the whole Felt experience is important, rather than just the sounds they made. The B&S approach to the whole Pop deal has so far been very Lawrence-like. A bit odd, perverse even, certainly playing by slants on rules. And of course you can draw influences back and take Vic Godard who was a massive influence on LAwrence, and also on the POstcard thing, with which Stuart must have been familiar with... You could go on forever making assumptions, but without talking to the guy you'll never know. okay, i've rambled enough. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 13:07:02 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:07:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:success for B&S Message-ID: <01BCB47C.885BE740@host5-99-53-165.btinternet.com> Unfortunately I don't think B&S will ever be as successful as is hoped by most on this list. They just don't seem right for the time, hence the reason why those who appreciate music and people in the industry think they're the best thing since sliced bread...unlike the masses, they see a bloody good band with great songs. The music buying public probably won't go near them unless they hear comparisons with Oasis and such. Assuming my younger sister is typical of most young teenagers ( she bought Spice Girls, Oasis, Hanson etc.) then B&S will remain in obscurity, although I can hear her singing along when it's played in the car, when her mates come round it's "this is what my brother listens to, snigger, let's go and play P*t*r Andr*." A parallel is the West Coast Pop art experimental band, everyone thought they were good, and now they're early albums are worth loads, I think they were the only band on the reprise label to have three albums and no hit, again they were just wrong for the time... pity, but then if B&S ever did make it into the top 40 I can't see them staying there, they'll be dismissed by the general public as being a folk band with a cult following who happen to have made an extremely rare album. (It was 'the Guardian' who called them folky.) who cares about the made-up top 40 anyway? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Fri Aug 29 14:22:42 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:22:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: stuart and the pastels Message-ID: <0039600000010223000002L032*@MHS> there was a loud clang. turned out it was the duke dropping names: 8) >i heard a story from a reputable source that goes >like this: There was a party being held by, i >think, Stephen Pastel, at which were assembled >various pop personages and other glasgow >hipsters. dum de dum. i had an email from sarah a couple of months ago and the address she gave me to reply to was john smith's bookshop in glasgow. isn't this the one where mr pastel also works? actually, the pastels comparison may be better than the smiths comparison - the pastels have been plugging away for years loved by many and unknown to many more. oh, you can ignore the hundreds of lineup and label changes though. and nobody answered when i asked whether 'songs for children' that was mentioned in a list of upcoming songs was a cover of the pastels track. does anyone know? and just why has glasgow produced more decent bands than you can shake a whole bundle of sticks at when edinburgh hasn't? and whilst we're here: grass. just why is it green? andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From AEHering at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 13:52:24 1997 From: AEHering at xxx.com (AEHering at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: stuart and the pastels Message-ID: <970829085223_118582826@emout11.mail.aol.com> The Duke wrote ... >i heard a story from a reputable source that goes >like this: There was a party being held by, i >think, Stephen Pastel, at which were assembled >various pop personages and other glasgow >hipsters. Lois Maffeo was there also... So >Stephen and Lois were playing some songs on >guitars, and because they were hip everyone was >going 'yeah, cool' and being sycophantic >apparantly. Thanks for refreshing my memory ... is there a chance that your reputable source is called Jennifer R****** ? I'd love to get in touch with her again ! Besides, Stuart used to have a recording of this or some similar party ... unfortunately he lost it. >ANyway, then Stuart played some of >his own songs, and everyone (including Stephen and >Lois) were looking really embarrassed and shifty, >looking out the window, whatever, just not into it >at all. Hmmm ... I'm still wondering about the reasons for crediting Stephen McRobbie on the latest album ... and about Stephen's more recent evaluation of B&S ... >So just so you know, there was a time >when Stuart and his songs were not loved by the >people of Glasgow... never mind anywhere else. Couldn't be more truthful ... five people coming for his first gig with a "real" band (that is, accompanied by two other guys) in '95 ... for the books ... a corner pub somewhere near West Princess Street ... wasn't it called the Cava ? Can't remember ... Perfection As A Hipster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Fri Aug 29 14:00:27 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:00:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: success for B&S Message-ID: About ten years ago, there was a band. Highly intelligent, both on and off the lyric sheet, they sang about the less glamorous side of real-life, which most bands wouldn't touch on in their songs. They'd released three albums on a small indie label based in a large provincial city. Their music was completely out of step with the mainstream at the time. They built up a sizable cult following, but were largely ignored by the general public. Nobody thought they had the remotest chance of making it big. Sounds familiar? Well this particular band were (and still are, unless I've missed something major in the music press) called Pulp. And we know what happened next. There is always hope for B&S... Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Fri Aug 29 14:42:30 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:42:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: CMJ festival. Message-ID: <199708291342.OAA25408@brookes.ac.uk> Just heard on Radio 1 that the Evening Session is covering the CMJ festival thing, and reporting how the British bands fair. They might cover B&S (I'm assuming they are going to this CMJ thing !). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aeos at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 14:30:36 1997 From: aeos at xxx.com (A Lad Woven In Slur) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:30:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Y'know; Religion, and God and stuff. Message-ID: <199708291534.QAA17151@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> Re: Writer's upbringing: > I doubt he had a Catholic upbringing, because he says: "the vicar or whatever", unless he was a > rubbish Catholic who didn't know much. Weeeelll.......actually there is an inaccuracy in that bit; we are told that Hilary went to the *Catholic* church, but then has intercourse [shut up] with 'the *vicar* or whatever'. It's likely that they realise that you don't have Catholic vicars - and thus they add 'or whatever' to detract from the mistake. And it fits, anyway; I don't think this necessarily means the writer is not Catholic......... And, by the way, the couplet, 'Hilary went to the Catholic church because she wanted information; The vicar, or whatever, took her to one side and gave her confirmation' Is actually very clever and true-to-life. In fact, it's so perceptive I would guess that the writer has been in the situation [as, indeed, have I] - and thus has had a Catholic upbringing. * * * * * * * Andrew O'Sullivan aeos at dial.pipex.com http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan "Nobody knows the way it's going to be" * * * * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aeos at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 14:29:14 1997 From: aeos at xxx.com (A Lad Woven In Slur) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:29:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The B&S T-Shirts. Message-ID: <199708291534.QAA07400@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> > hate to be boring, but isn't it a tour shirt? --hence possibly bus > design. I think it actually just goes back to the fact that at least one of the band has a thing about buses.......and are we not told at least twice [once certainly, on the inside of '....Sinister'] that Stuart was at one point a bus driver [Ha ha!!]: 'We had a mutual agreement; they treated me like shit, I drove past their stops'. * * * * * * * Andrew O'Sullivan aeos at dial.pipex.com http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan "Nobody knows the way it's going to be" * * * * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psu338 at xxx.uk Fri Aug 29 16:41:50 1997 From: psu338 at xxx.uk (J.P.Ord) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:41:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Belle and Christianity In-Reply-To: <199708281616.NAA29982@domain.com.br> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, galaxie wrote: > > J.P. Ord wrote > > I see "If You're Feeling Sinister" as being a very cynical, > > anti-religion song and so was surprised to read Stuart Murdoch declare > > his faith, and the fact that he lives within the confines of a church, > > in a recent Melody Maker interview. > > It's the 90's and everyone is a cynic, but maybe he really meant it. I > regard Murdoch as a different character, as someone who got tired of > keeping that casual/cynic posture that is so dear and common practice among > too many these days. But it's my imagination, and if I met him, it might > melt or fade. > Cecilia I appreciate your comment. I'm tired of the casual/cynic posture myself. PHIL. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Landmine9 at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 17:23:51 1997 From: Landmine9 at xxx.com (Landmine9 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: As big as the Cardigans?!? Message-ID: <970829122117_2049221610@emout14.mail.aol.com> Well, what I meant by "as big as the Cardigans" was mainly: MTV popularity (buzz clips, reports by Loder on the possibilty of a Tigermilk reissue, etc.) and radio popularity ("coming up this hour we've got Bush and the new one from Belle and Sebastian 'I Just Love Buses'"). I have no doubt that B&S will be recognized for what a great band they are (and one day, were). That is largely the case with VU and Joy Division nowadays. People "in the know" know these bands, but your average music listener doesn't (he may have "heard of them"). But they do know the Cardigans. And, yes, they will probably be forgotten as soon as MTV forgets them. I don't really know anything about Pulp, but then I have a short attention span. I think they may have been largely a UK phenomenom. (I hope I am not putting my foot in my mouth here.) (parenthetically "yours") michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Landmine9 at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 17:34:34 1997 From: Landmine9 at xxx.com (Landmine9 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying Message-ID: <970829123426_-1435919889@emout01.mail.aol.com> Probably my favorite stretch of lyrics on IYFS is the last few lines in "Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying." "This is no declaration, I just thought I'd let you know goodbye" Said the hero in the story "It is mightier than swords I could kill you sure But I could only make you cry with these words" Just wondering if these were actually taken from "some old story" or if he made them up himself. thanks michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From patrick at xxx.net Fri Aug 29 17:42:25 1997 From: patrick at xxx.net (stinger) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:42:25 -0700 Subject: Sinister: As big as the Cardigans? and beyond. References: <970829011500_-65856310@emout11.mail.aol.com> <340680E3.86CB2229@virgin.net> Message-ID: <3406FBF1.176D@nothingbutnet.net> David & Katrina wrote: > > Landmine9 at aol.com wrote: > > > > A faraway friend mentioned the other day that he believed Belle and > > Sebastian > > would be as big as the Cardigans soon enough. Funny this is mentioned. I have a friend who is the music director for a station called Live 105 in San Francisco. The station is one of three or four "trendsetters" as far as commercial radio goes in the U.S. I had heard that they might start playing "Dylan In The Movies" so I asked him about it. He said "Oh yeah, we're adding it next week, we all (the programming board) love it. It has a Cardigans kind of appeal." Granted, the US radio mix has the strings and guitars turned up so it does sort of highlight the same aspects of what we have come to expect from Cardigans songs. No doubt people are catching on to Belle and Sebastain. If you're one of those protective types that don't like sharing your bands and are hoping B & S will remain some underground phenom like Felt you're wrong. The only question is can Belle and Sebastain have the public success that they are about to achieve, and remain with integrity intact in future recordings. There is no doubt in my mind that the answer is yes. It's a fine line that very few can walk. Pavement could, Blur could not. Radiohead could, R.E.M could not. There place in history is obviously yet to be determined, but the names like Joy Division, The Smiths etc are not out of line at all. Slogan: Belle and Sebastain, the thinking persons Oasis! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From AEHering at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 18:21:15 1997 From: AEHering at xxx.com (AEHering at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Belle influences Message-ID: <970829132036_-1677641920@emout05.mail.aol.com> The Duke wrote ... >I would really like to >know, however, if he's familiar with the group >McCarthy (Tim Gane of Stereolab was the guitarist, >and they were members of the RCP at the time - >Revolutionary Communist PArty for those who don't >know... sounds rather quaint now doesn't it?!) >because 'la pastie...' sounds like a McCarthy >title if ever there was one! (they had a great >song called 'we are all bourgeouis now', in >fact!). McCarthy played in Glasgow quite >regularly, and i wonder if Stuart was there? What do you think ? Stuart used to be a groovy P!O!P! kid, just like you and me ... probably he lost a little bit of enthusiasm over the years, since hhe would rarely join to see some new Glaswegian bands, but he is familiar with McCarthy who started releasing records in 1986 (!). In fact, the last time I met him was at the Stereolab (!) / Yo La Tengo gig in Edinburgh in '95 and ... well, one couldn't say that he doesn't like Laetitia. I might be wrong, but I seem to remember that he liked the Tindersticks quite a bit at that time ... Perfection As A Hipster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Fri Aug 29 18:19:11 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:19:11 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Song chords Message-ID: <199708291722.TAA24141@mail2.isdnet.net> hmmmm i guess that stacks of people seem to want all the chords...i'll try and type out most of them then you good good people can do what you want with them!! it might take me a while though, but it should be done this week end love, alan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Fri Aug 29 14:25:30 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:25:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: stuart and the pastels References: <0039600000010223000002L032*@MHS> Message-ID: <3406CDCA.6DA92D9A@mail.zynet.co.uk> > there was a loud clang. turned out it was the > duke dropping names: 8) it's the only thing i do well! > dum de dum. i had an email from sarah a couple > of > months ago and the address she gave me to reply > to > was john smith's bookshop in glasgow. isn't this > > the one where mr pastel also works? yeah, i'm sure that's true. > actually, the pastels comparison may be better > than the smiths comparison - i have a problem with the pastels angle because, basically i don't like them much. Stephen was very nice and helpful once when i was asking him questions about his old fanzine 'Juniper Beri Beri' for my thesis, but still, i can't get away from the memories of the old clique that existed around the whole glasgow scene, then as now i expect. The PAstels records i liked for a short while, but i grew tired of it, more excitement lay in other areas i guess. > and nobody answered when i asked whether 'songs > for children' that was mentioned in a list of > upcoming songs was a cover of the pastels track. > > does anyone know? i didn't see that question, sorry. I doubt it is a cover version, since 'Songs For Children' was the title of the EP on Whaaam! records. I don't _think_ there was a song of the same title. The EP did, however, have my very favourite Pastels song, and one which i do still love, the swoonful 'Heaven's Above'. > and just why has glasgow produced more decent > bands than you can shake a whole bundle of > sticks > at when edinburgh hasn't? not quite fair, and unlike me to defend edinburgh, but what about Fire Engines! (and by association anything else Davey Henderson has done), Josef K (and by association anything else Paul Haig has done) Shop Assistants, Jesse Garon... a few others. Weren't The Thanes from Edinburgh? Still, as you so rightly infer, Glasgow's Miles Better. the duke > -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From galaxie at xxx.br Fri Aug 29 17:52:40 1997 From: galaxie at xxx.br (galaxie) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:52:40 -0300 Subject: Sinister: As big as the Cardigans?!? Message-ID: <199708291744.OAA18707@domain.com.br> ---------- > De: Landmine9 at aol.com > Para: sinister at majordomo.net > Assunto: Sinister: As big as the Cardigans?!? > Data: Sexta-feira, 29 de Agosto de 1997 02:15 > > A faraway friend mentioned the other day that he believed Belle and Sebastian > would be as big as the Cardigans soon enough. > > I can't really see this happening. The Cardigans have a dancey aspect that > makes them more accessible to a wider audience. I have heard from more than > one person that B&S are "depressing," thus destroying any mass appeal they > might have. I have even played them for a couple of people who I was certain > would like them, and they just kind of shrugged. Even the friend who likes > Simon and Garfunkel and does speed didn't like them. > > What do you think? Are they movin' on up? And what kind of effect will > their rather odd way of dealing with press affect it? > > michael > Hmmm...In a certain way, bands like The Cure and Smiths sugest melancholic, lonely landscapes. Of course, bands that have a dancey aspect get more attention, but when something like B&S reachs a certain level of success, its fans get even more passionate. I think that it can be a positive thing as opposed to bands like Cardigans or Spice Girls. I'd say that B&S will be big. I wouldn't go as far as saying the're the next big thing, but they'll certainly have their place in rock history, they may even be starting something other bandas will try to follow and the press will later call "a movement". Regis&Cecilia ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Fri Aug 29 20:14:31 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Arantxa Ubieta - Peter Miller) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:14:31 +0200 Subject: Sinister: More tea, vicar? Message-ID: <34071F97.14E689EE@colon.net.> Andrew O'Sullivan, do you really expect us to believe that you've had it off with a priest in a confessional? You'll get the poor fellow defrocked! While we're on the subject of sauciness, I would like to politely register my concern at some of the potentially hurtful rumour mongering that has been raising its ugly head of late. Just because someone agrees to have their photo taken stark naked in the bath with a toy tiger and then lets it be used as the cover art for a soon to be legendary LP doesn't mean to say that they're a complete exhibitionist who wants the whole world and his dog on wheels to know about their private life. In my opinion. Besides which, the tiger has a much more interesting love life. And the dog trundles after every poodle in town. After giving the matter a lot of thought, I've changed my mind and am now in the camp of the people who favour less non-B&S related messages. The reason is that there are now at least 174 people reading the list, and they will probably feel a bit isolated when confronted with the veterans' gibbberish. It's a thin line between talking to people in a gig queue and talking too loudly on the bus. Out of 174 people probably only one or two will share your/ my/ our sense of humour. And even that's asking a lot. I know it sounds grumpy, but there's nothing to stop people getting a list of subscribers and only sending their eccentricities to people who they know share their taste for off the beaten track rambling. Just a thought... And another thing. How is Seymour Stein going to react to that song? Have Jeepster got good lawyers? I bet Seymour's got really good lawyers. If they ever make a film about him, he'll be played by Robert De Niro. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cateran at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 20:20:49 1997 From: cateran at xxx.com (Sandy Blair) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:20:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: stuart and the pastels Message-ID: >> and just why has glasgow produced more decent >> bands than you can shake a whole bundle of >> sticks >> at when edinburgh hasn't? > >not quite fair, and unlike me to defend edinburgh, >but what about Fire Engines! (and by association >anything else Davey Henderson has done), Josef K >(and by association anything else Paul Haig has >done) Shop Assistants, Jesse Garon... a few >others. Weren't The Thanes from Edinburgh? > >Still, as you so rightly infer, Glasgow's Miles >Better. It wasn't always like that, there were many other bands around at the time of the Fire Engines et all, The Delmotes, Flowers, Scars, Boot For Dancing etc. I dunno why Edinburgh died after the Shop Assistants and the associated bands. Still GIlded Lil and Dominic Waxing Lyrical are from Edinburgh. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 20:51:41 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:51:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:stuff Message-ID: <01BCB4BD.6E1638E0@host5-99-54-69.btinternet.com> A lad...wrote: I would guess that the writer has been in the situation [as, indeed, have I] - and thus has had a Catholic upbringing. I thought because the singer wasn't sure if he should call the priest a priest or a vicar then that meant he wasn't a Catholic, or as I pointed out before if he was Catholic, then he was a rubbish one who didn't know the basics etc, not that I care. The Belle and Sebastian Kids show was a live action thing wasn't it, 'cause I can only remember a cartoon version in the early '80's, It was a japanese thing and badly dubbed over, the people spoke really fast and sentences finished abruptly so the lip sync looked better...even though it didn't. I'm pretty sure it was called Bella and Sebastian though and it was made by the same people who did 'Cities of Gold' and 'Dogtanian and the 3 Muskehounds', clever play on words there, the way Musketeers has been replaced with Muskehounds, niiice. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From AEHering at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 21:13:11 1997 From: AEHering at xxx.com (AEHering at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: Sinister Re: Songs for children Message-ID: <970829161308_809039772@emout09.mail.aol.com> Andrew Dean wrote ... >dum de dum. i had an email from sarah a couple of >months ago and the address she gave me to reply to >was john smith's bookshop in glasgow. isn't this >the one where mr pastel also works? Right ... >and nobody answered when i asked whether 'songs >for children' that was mentioned in a list of >upcoming songs was a cover of the pastels track. >does anyone know? Most probably not, since "Songs for children" was, to the best of my knowledge, never a Pastels song. However, it was the title of their Whaam debut 7", the a-side being the marvellous hymn "Heavens above" ... Sigh ... Daniel Treacy, proprietor of Whaam! Records and mastermind of the Television Personalities ... another criminally underrated P!O!P! genius ... Perfection As A Hipster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SolaKola at xxx.com Fri Aug 29 23:24:17 1997 From: SolaKola at xxx.com (SolaKola at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: another intro Message-ID: <970829182322_-600816007@emout10.mail.aol.com> hello all, my name is Sarah and I am yet another SF area B&S fan .. I bought IYFS on the recommendation of a friend and have been hooked since, thats one of the things I think is intersting about them ... the popularity they've achieved so far is due in a large part to word of mouth and not the usual promo overdrive. Its odd how most of the reivews (positive ones) don't really make them sound like something I'd like. A recent review in a local rag (while also getting a few facts wrong), described them as sounding like a "lighter whiter Band". I got a tape a while ago of the demos of 'Pocketbook Angel', 'London Has Let Me Down' and 'Hurleys Having Dreams' if anyone stateside wants a copy, just e-mail me to arrange something; they're all excellent and Pocketbook Angel is one of my fave songs at the moment. -Sarah SolaKola at aol.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From geoff.burgerman4 at xxx.net Sat Aug 30 01:22:31 1997 From: geoff.burgerman4 at xxx.net (.j 0n) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 00:22:31 +0000 Subject: Sinister: sheepboy Message-ID: <199708292326.AAA10642@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> how my dreams were crushed --------------------------------- when im all grown up in years to come (cous im just a little peep) i want to be big and fluffy like a lovely sheep. funny ears - little head wrapped up in finest wool. living on a sunny farm eating grass until i was full. i told the careers officer my ambitions when i was at school he looked me square in the eye and told me i was a fool. that sheep training college was hard and i didnt have the marks. perhaps i should aim to become a dog and practice on my bark.. --------------------------------- .j 0n ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From stephen.b at xxx.uk Sat Aug 30 03:43:33 1997 From: stephen.b at xxx.uk (stephen.b at xxx.uk) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 03:43:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: various including arab strap london gig and Seymour Message-ID: had my first 6 messages and therefore woud like to give my first responses: 1. I saw Seymour Stein once and he had creases ironed into the front of his trousers! that doesn't mean he isn't a nice person but was freaky though 2. Edinburough is not a great place. 3. went to see Arab Strap in London (Water Rats) tonight and they were truly emotional. (and more sober than usual) is that the sort of thing that should be said on this list? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Sat Aug 30 08:11:01 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:11:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Compo! Compo! References: <340682A3.688829D4@virgin.net> <3407282F.689F@rusd.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <3407C785.2045570D@virgin.net> Yuri Gonzalez wrote: > Hey David, > I don't want to enter the show, but I want to buy the poster and a > t-shirt. Can you please send me info on how to purchase these items. > Thank you. > yuri I've had a lot of mails along this line, and since I should let everyone know I've posted to the list. The posters are only part of the competition, you can't but them though occasionally we may give one or two away (not guaranteed of course) The shirts are all available from the Fan Club site which is at http://freespace.virgin.net/d.kitchen/Belleandsebastian.htm Just follow the link for merchandise. In a month or so we'll have a credit card machine so you may be able to save some pennies by placing your order then. You can also buy enamel badges from the merchandise page, and remember, Stuart David still sells the original Ink Polaroid book, details on the bands official site. regards David PS: Do you think people should be allowed to enter more than once? -- ************************************************************** http://freespace.virgin.net/d.kitchen/Bluesoda.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Sat Aug 30 08:27:26 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:27:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Compo! Compo! References: <340682A3.688829D4@virgin.net> <3407282F.689F@rusd.k12.ca.us> <3407C785.2045570D@virgin.net> Message-ID: <3407CB5E.9476DDC4@mcmail.com> > PS: Do you think people should be allowed to enter more than once? What if you allow, say, two entries per person or something... that way people can do more than one if they like but you won't get swamped... Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Sat Aug 30 10:35:36 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:35:36 +0200 Subject: Sinister: two song chords Message-ID: <199708300934.LAA09295@mail1.isdnet.net> hi don't hate me, but some people might want these...if you want some more mail me or paul... try it out!! alan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: string bean jean.txt Type: application/octet-stream Size: 733 bytes Desc: string bean jean.txt (Document texte) URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: The state i am in.txt Type: application/octet-stream Size: 891 bytes Desc: The state i am in.txt (Document texte) URL: From mark at xxx.uk Sat Aug 30 14:25:20 1997 From: mark at xxx.uk (Mark Dawson) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:25:20 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Snow Patrol Message-ID: I might be a bit late with this news as I'm only getting the (huge) digest version, but it would appear that Polar Bear are now known as Snow Patrol. Obviously keen on arctic imagery! Apologies if this has already been posted.... Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.avnet.co.uk/mdawson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Sat Aug 30 13:40:36 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:40:36 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: Digest size, Edinburgh etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Aug 1997, Mark Dawson wrote: > I might be a bit late with this news as I'm only getting the (huge) digest > version, but... Yep, Mark made this point to me privately - the first digest *was* huge. Traffic on the list has died down a little after the first rush, and my feeling is that a digest any more frequently than once a day would annoy some people - but I'm happy to do whatever people think. So if people on the digest would like to let me know how often they would like it to be produced - I can limit this by days or by size. I'll do whatever the majority of digest people ask for, but please only digest subscribers vote - and directly to me rather than cluttering up the list! On the subject of Edinburough (sic) and stephen.b - your list administrator lives there and likes it normally except during August when it fills up with Oxbridge students pretending to be trees - but he's not the sulky type. I've had lots more comments on the subject of "relevancy" of the list - thanks for your feedback. Things have got a bit quieter now and a bit more sensible apart from the "pig" mailing (thanks for that it was a gift to my cause! - if anyone wants *more* of that type of mail let me know?!). The majority view is still to try to stick to B&S related stuff, with some very strong (and amusing) feelings from some in that direction, but there *are* people who disagree and want a wider spread of views. I think things look sensible now, but I will continue to reflect the majority view of people who mail me privately about it - I promise. Oh and I'll put Alan's chords on the WWW page when I get a minute. Enough for now. Paul email: sinister-owner at ph.ed.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Sun Aug 31 10:33:46 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 10:33:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Message-ID: <34093A7A.63053F2A@virgin.net> The fan club site has now published the Tigermilk lyrics on-line for those of you that said you wanted them. Given time all lyrics will be available form this site. They've also gone and moved their site. If you have any bookmarks that need updating please do so. The new address is below. regards David Kitchen ************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Sun Aug 31 14:43:40 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:43:40 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: Guitar tabs online Message-ID: Alan's guitar tabs are now online at http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/chords.html Other contributions welcome - everyone's gone quiet (gulp)... Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Sun Aug 31 15:14:51 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:14:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Guitar tabs online References: Message-ID: <34097C5A.66FEC37B@virgin.net> Honey wrote: > everyone's gone quiet (gulp)... Yeah what do you suppose happened? Has everyone accessing through work? David. PS: Any suggestions for expansion of the Fan Club site? We have access to everything, virtually, and can implement most suggestions if the band agrees. As from tomorrow you can see a preview of the artwork for the next single from the fan club site. (only the back though as the front is proving difficult to scan). -- ************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From galaxie at xxx.br Sun Aug 31 15:49:58 1997 From: galaxie at xxx.br (galaxie) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:49:58 -0300 Subject: Sinister: Le Pastie ... Message-ID: <199708311447.LAA08844@domain.com.br> A friend of mine has just sent me 60 seconds of "Le Pastie..." and it's giving me a kind of feeling I never thought I would have again in 1997. We are too close of the next century for one to feel like this about a ... song. I'm 21, and this kind of.. made me feel abandoned. It's too beautiful, I need the whole song. cecilia ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SecretLP at xxx.com Sun Aug 31 18:02:10 1997 From: SecretLP at xxx.com (SecretLP at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 13:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Le Cardigans Message-ID: <970831125832_-1301215282@emout13.mail.aol.com> Wow! - such negativity - the cardigans side by side with the spice girls - i would think these people are judging the cardigans band soley on the basis of one or two songs - (you know, the ones their record company seized on to flog and typecast them for all time) sad - i would expect more from the folks who love a nice and sensitive band like b&s - if you could open yourselves up to listenig to their other work you may be surprised at it's depth. As for b&s getting to big to enjoy - well how can you deny a band hard earned success? It is too bad for us as fans when the tiny shows give way to larger ones - but most bands do not make much money at all - and to begrudge a band to finally make some return on their efforts so we can selfishly keep them to ourselves seems to me at odds with the ethics we should uphold. And besides, I hardly think that b&s are likely to be playing at festivals or wembley - seems like that is opposite to their desires anyway. I think we can look forward to a long period of intimate shows from these folks - so don't despair! Also skreddy has some extra tix for the sunday ny show so be sure and fill his inbox with oodles of requests! take care all- see some of ya at the nyc shows!?! chris at secretsounds.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From escossia at xxx.br Sun Aug 31 18:23:39 1997 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A.P Escossia) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:23:39 -0200 Subject: Sinister: "40, 45, 60 Seconds of Magic" Message-ID: <18233993305625@secrel.com.br> Will *3,6,9 seconds of light" be THE BEST single this year ? for those seconds of music i got in B&S page ,the answer is YEEEEEEEEEEEES ! Ivo Augusto Pita da Escossia escossia at sec.secrel.com.br ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From geoff.burgerman4 at xxx.net Sun Aug 31 22:51:51 1997 From: geoff.burgerman4 at xxx.net (.j 0n) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:51:51 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199709010035.BAA03735@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> crisp bliss ------------------------------------ if i ever eat a packet of crisps again it will be too soon. all day saturday i was locked in a room piled high were boxes of potato chips begging to be eaten and fatten hips. i tried to restrain from their seductive packets but under it all im just a crisp addict. later i was sick and started to drown there wasnt a chance i could keep the 30 packets down. gasping for air mum found the key kicked open the door releasing the slurry and me. today was spent cleaning the floor wishing that i hadnt eaten more. a lesson to me - i repent my sin i shouldnt really of locked myself in. ------------------------------------------- .j 0n ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From geoff.burgerman4 at xxx.net Sun Aug 31 23:33:35 1997 From: geoff.burgerman4 at xxx.net (.j 0n) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:33:35 +0000 Subject: Sinister: lost controller Message-ID: <199709010102.CAA03859@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> the lost controller ----------------------------------- every time i go to change the channel the remote goes and hides it slips away before the ad-break leaving me high and dry. i ought to take its batteries and give them to the hippo clock but then id be stuck on channel one staring gormlessly like a shmuck. always i do find it down with the crisps and dirt loose change and torn off nails down to where the neverworld begins spiders webs and baby snails down to were no light can reach and its closer than you'd guess lying down the side of the sofa having a little rest. -------------------------------- .j 0n ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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