From a-bergman at xxx.edu Wed Oct 1 00:05:43 1997 From: a-bergman at xxx.edu (Amanda Bergman) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:05:43 -0500 Subject: Sinister: sonic confusion (lyric misinterpretations) In-Reply-To: <86256522.007AA250.00@internet-503.interliant.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970930180543.006befc0@hecky.acns.nwu.edu> >>Cast your minds back to the magnificent >>opening of Stars of Track and Field... >>"Paint a new coat everyday, to suit your affairs..." I'd thought that one was "make a new cult every day, to suit your affairs..." though I couldn't for the life of me figure out what the hell that meant. aural deception at its most amusing, making a mess of song lyrics like this. --Amanda ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Wed Oct 1 01:47:15 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:47:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake Message-ID: <199709302356.BAA09988@mail1.isdnet.net> absolutely no comparison in my eyes...i love both, but they are not at all alike... nick drake is much more bleak...especially the "pink moon" album but who cares? love, alan > > has anyone else heard late 60's/ early 70's pop singer nick drake? B&S sound > very very close in sound to him. it's like having more b&s albums to listen > to. > anyway, jared ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Wed Oct 1 01:58:02 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:58:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: cover versions anyone? Message-ID: <199709302356.BAA10011@mail1.isdnet.net> hi someone here was wondering about possible cover versions...here's my thoughts: "rocket usa" by SUICIDE "frankie teardrop" by SUICIDE "come down easy" by SPACEMEN 3 love, alan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Wed Oct 1 01:52:16 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:52:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the name Message-ID: <199709302356.BAA09994@mail1.isdnet.net> i thought this one had been told before!! "BELLE ET SEBASTIEN" was i french tv show from the sixties which was apparently shown in great britain under the name that means a lot to us all now!! the story was based on a small boy and this bloody great stbernard dog!!!! love; alan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Wed Oct 1 01:47:15 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:47:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake Message-ID: <199709302356.BAA09991@mail1.isdnet.net> absolutely no comparison in my eyes...i love both, but they are not at all alike... nick drake is much more bleak...especially the "pink moon" album but who cares? love, alan > > has anyone else heard late 60's/ early 70's pop singer nick drake? B&S sound > very very close in sound to him. it's like having more b&s albums to listen > to. > anyway, jared ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Wed Oct 1 01:52:16 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:52:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the name Message-ID: <199709302356.BAA09997@mail1.isdnet.net> i thought this one had been told before!! "BELLE ET SEBASTIEN" was i french tv show from the sixties which was apparently shown in great britain under the name that means a lot to us all now!! the story was based on a small boy and this bloody great stbernard dog!!!! love; alan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mjouan at xxx.com Wed Oct 1 01:54:11 1997 From: mjouan at xxx.com (Michelle Jouan) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:54:11 -0700 Subject: Sinister: compo Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971001005411.006890ec@mailbox.previewtravel.com> this is late, i know. it's already 1 october in the UK, but i'm not there. i'm here in the US and it's not 5:30 yet, by the clock on my computer screen. and believe me, i know when half past arrives because that's when i leave. i really did mean to write this sooner, but september has been a very short month. everyone agrees with me so it must be true. and i've been scurrying about like the hyperactive bunny i can sometimes be to find a gift for my edward. i think i've finally narrowed it down to something that he'll like and will also pass safely and quickly through customs when i post it. so you see, i've had my mind on other things lately and have not gotten around to writing one of these things until now. i still haven't written it, so let's see how it goes. oh, by the way, i've only now been subscribed to this list for ten minutes. that is, here at work anyway. i have another e-mail account at home (artyfartystudent at juno.com) but i hardly ever post to this list anyway so you may not recognise my name. i've been on since the coollist days, though. ~ink polaroid number one~ this is one of my leg. i got that bruise at a concert. i can't remember the exact moment it happened. i'm sure it happened in that adrenaline rush to climb over chairs and get to the front of the stage. after the show i pulled up my trouser leg and there it was. beautiful, isn't it? i made helen take loads of pictures of it cos i've never seen such a lovely shade of blue/purple. for days after the show, i flashed my leg at anyone who would look. i'd tell them that i got the bruise at a concert and they'd think i was tough. oh yeah. and look right there at the top. over near the top of my calf. see that swirl and that curve right there? i reckon the bruise looks like elvis! thank you for reading this. it's past 5:30 now and there's a bus with my name on it 'round the corner. :) michelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you can't say something nice, please phrase your insults well. 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Wed Oct 1 02:41:59 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: sonic confusion (lyric misinterpretations) In-Reply-To: <00022E00.003103@xx.emimusic.com> Message-ID: > regarding lyric misinterpretations a-bergman wrote: > > >>Cast your minds back to the magnificent > >>opening of Stars of Track and Field... > >>"Paint a new coat everyday, to suit your affairs..." And at one point me thoughts "Making New Coke every day to suit your affairs..." Remember New Coke? The "New" Formula and the multi-million dollar ad campaigns? I vaguely do, but I thought Stuart Murdoch boy-genius when he referred to it, but alas! fran ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Iain at xxx.uk Fri Oct 31 05:50:19 1997 From: Iain at xxx.uk (Iain Meakin) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 05:50:19 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Is it just me ? Message-ID: <01BCE5C0.E0EAD860@chkymnky.demon.co.uk> Hello. I've been up all night (its nearly 6am now) and I feel like Im going crackers. Now what I want to know is: Is this why I like B&S ? Or is this because I like B&S ? Or am I just a daft sod ?. errm I wish I could sleep. Iain. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MWaggner at xxx.com Wed Oct 1 06:13:51 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: mishearings Message-ID: <971001011348_1587492716@emout12.mail.aol.com> I have to admit that I hear "midget" rather than "major" when I listen ... even tho' I know it's wrong. I think it would be wonderful to turn on the radio and hear B&S -- as long as they weren't on "heavy rotation" so that you hear them so much you hate them -- familiarity breeding contempt and all. The only show to play them in the NY area is the Vin Scelsa "Idiot's Delight" show on WNEW-FM (102.7), Sunday nights from 9:00 to 3ish. Although the station is "classic rock" during the rest of the week, Vin's show is an example of what radio could be. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Wed Oct 1 06:41:26 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 06:41:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: RE: Compo Message-ID: <3431E285.71CD8776@virgin.net> Just a reminder that the closing date for entries is this Monday. If you still havn't written your Ink Polaroids then you've only got a few days. The prize: 4 Posters (one for sinister and one for each e.p. including the latest!) + 1 T-shirt (size and colour up to you, does not include the newer designs that'll be on the merchandise page this weekend.). For rules and stuff see the page on the Fan Club site, link below. Head to the Site map and follow the link. David Kitchen (still trying to set up all the merchandise, back catalogue and finding out where I can get electronic scales from.). -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 09:29:03 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:29:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk again and again. Message-ID: <01BCCE4C.75A7F870@rainbow.qss.co.uk> couple of comments about it... First of all, has anyone noticed that the beginning of She's Just a Baby is right from the beginning of Yes' Yours is no Disgrace? Funny, eh? The melodies on Tigermilk are really intensely [Keith Watson] Yes - I posted this on the list in the first week - and someone else said they'd noticed too. I'm amazed that anyone had heard the song! I find it more weird that "Lonliness of the middle distance runner" sounds like "It's only love" by Bryan Adams and Tina Turner. Cheers, Keith ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 11:32:13 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:32:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: cover versions anyone? Message-ID: <01BCCE5D.AAC726F0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> "rocket usa" by SUICIDE [Keith Watson] Odd that as I thought of that when posting a list of comedy covers a while back. I think it's probably Alan Vega's voice that I thought might come across quite amusing. Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Wed Oct 1 12:48:11 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Ninette) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:48:11 +0200 Subject: Sinister: sonic confusion (lyric misinterpretations) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971001114811.0066b07c@student.let.uva.nl> > >I'd thought that one was "make a new cult every day, to suit your >affairs..." though I couldn't for the life of me figure out what the hell >that meant. > Hey!! I did too! Easy mistake to make, I guess... Ninette > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 13:13:57 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:13:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Rock on Tommy. Message-ID: <199710011213.NAA09239@brookes.ac.uk> Sat here at work, idling my time away listening to tinpot Radio 1, and then Jo Whiley plays the new B&S single 'Le Pastie...'. It's a beauty. She then went on to say she'd heard a tape of some songs they'd done, and they have a bright future ahead of them if they wanted it. Also told the 'nation' that '3, 6, 9 seconds of light' was single of the week in both Melody Maker and NME. Not bad that eh ? I'm happier at work now. Ben. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Wed Oct 1 13:36:02 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Ninette) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:36:02 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Felt samples Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971001123602.00697104@student.let.uva.nl> CALAMITY! Something terrible has happened! Oh, and I'm so afraid all those nice people who sent me lovely samples will be mad at me!!! I'm not sure WHAT I've done ('cos, as my Dad always says, " it's never the computer that does something wrong, it just follows up your commands"), but I've lost the wav- files, which means I can't open the attachments, which means I CAN'T LISTEN TO THE SAMPLES!!! On Monday everything worked fine, but then I didn't have any headphones. And now.... Would you be so kind as to send them again? Sorry.... :( Ninette ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From andrew.dean at xxx.net Wed Oct 1 14:07:04 1997 From: andrew.dean at xxx.net (andrew dean) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: single of the week / tigermilk Message-ID: <199710011307.JAA02030@www3.web2010.com> another single, another single of the week in melody maker - "A musical box left playing in a long-abandoned nursery" etc it\'s getting almost tedious and a question to all of you who have real copies of tigermilk: is your copy very sibilant at the start? (do the high bits hiss? \'i wassss sssurprisssssed\'). mine does even when played on brand-spanking-new arm-and-a-leg turntable* (an early birthday present to myself). is it the master tapes d\'you think or a limitation of the vinyl (ie if they ever get around to doing cds will they be as bad or will they be better? or is it just my turntable (i hope not)) andy (still in london) oh, stephen, oon and mike, your tapes went off yesterday. i guess this was one of the bits that mr. murdoch wasn\'t too keen about. *a nad 533. (huh huh, he said "nad"...) __________________________________________________________ This message was generated from a form filled in by andrew dean while using the WebMail site, located at http://shuster.com/webmail. WebMail allows web users to send e-mail without an e-mail account or a mail server. The author of this e-mail (a33.gtnet.gov.uk aka andrew dean) was located at IP address 195.44.97.33. 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ta4091 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 15:31:40 1997 From: ta4091 at xxx.uk (Dazza) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:31:40 +0000 Subject: Sinister: B'n'S chords Message-ID: <34D8B18752C@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> Belle and Sebastian G C I left my school I left my job G C You saw me looking like a slob Am D When I was young you were the only fun in town G C Everyone thought it was a shame G C For Belle and the boy Sebastian Am D Belle was OK but oh Sebastian C Bm Am Went too far again, crashed his car in the rain He wants to love and he wants to care But when the girls hear that they think he's so square Sebastian for once just leave your troubles home (x2) She goes to school around the way The boys are queueing up to tell her she's a star Poor Sebastian is heading for a fall Everyone though it was a shame For Belle and the boy Sebastian Everyone thought it was a shame Belle was OK but oh Sebastian Went too far again, crashed his car in the rain D C Bm Am Oh Sebastian wrote his diary that he would never be young again C D But you will, fellow you are ill G C You better take a weight off of your mind and listen G To what other people say A C Cause things are going wrong your own way instrumental verse and repeat. I think those are the chords although it's occasionally confusing when there's a kind of inversion (the bass doing something odd - there's an occasional Am/F#) and there are the unexpected repeated lines. cheers Dazza ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 14:35:47 1997 From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:35:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: single of the week / tigermilk Message-ID: <43253530.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> >Author: "andrew dean" at ~ITPS-INTERNET >Date: 01/10/97 09:07 >and a question to all of you who have real copies of tigermilk: is >your copy very sibilant at the start? (do the high bits hiss? \'i >wassss sssurprisssssed\'). my copy hisses all right but that's part of its charm C ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 1 12:39:51 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:39:51 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Is it just me ? References: <01BCE5C0.E0EAD860@chkymnky.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <34323687.DE877F00@colon.net.> Iain Meakin wrote: > Hello. I've been up all night (its nearly 6am now) and I > feel like Im going crackers. > > Now what I want to know is: Is this why I like B&S ? Or > is this because I like B&S ? Or am I just a daft sod ?. > > errm I wish I could sleep. > > Iain. > I don't know. A daft sod isn't a bad thing to be anyway. I used to rely on Vick's Medinite to get to sleep from time to time, but it's probably not a good idea. Some other points: What does a junglist girl look like? Gold teeth? I'm in favour of trying to mention Belle and Sebastian in each message, if only to see what ridiculous lengths we are prepared to go to to try and fit them into off-topic ramblings. I like all this stuff about buses and badges. I'd like to hear this Andrew Loog Oldham orchestral album. I recently rescued George Martin's "Off the Beatle Track" from the bargain bucket. It's quite intriguing to see how he maintains the rock'n'roll essence of the music in spite of using a big easy listening orchestra. Some of the trumpet breaks sound just like B&S. (see?) It's quite freaky to think that the boy Murdoch might be reading our ramblings. I hope this doesn't provoke an outbreak of shyness, or indeed forwardness. Marry me, marry me Stuart! We'll have piglets and live on the farm together. We could make lo-fi barnyard recordings and sell them as mail-order only cassettes. What's this Belle and Sebastian message board then? I found it via Infoseek, but around and around the little planets went, all to no avail. File not found, or some such nonsense. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a-bergman at xxx.edu Wed Oct 1 16:05:35 1997 From: a-bergman at xxx.edu (Amanda Bergman) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 10:05:35 -0500 Subject: Sinister: sonic confusion (lyric misinterpretations) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971001114811.0066b07c@student.let.uva.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971001100535.006c1c00@hecky.acns.nwu.edu> That "make a new cult everyday" thing is an easy enough mistake to make BECAUSE IT IS THE ACTUAL LYRIC. (or at least according to the lyrics in the CD) Though I have noticed that sometimes what is sung varies from what is printed there...like in "Seeing Other People," the line (according to that lyric sheet) is: "You're going to have to change/ Or your're going to have to go with girls/ You might be better off/ At least they know what they're doing." But in the song itself on the album, as well as in the BBC sessions version, the line sounds like "At least they know where to put it." Either way, it's still a sort of funny musing. ta, Amanda >>I'd thought that one was "make a new cult every day, to suit your >>affairs..." though I couldn't for the life of me figure out what the hell >>that meant. >> >Hey!! I did too! Easy mistake to make, I guess... >Ninette >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Oct 1 16:08:18 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:08:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Is it just me ? In-Reply-To: <34323687.DE877F00@colon.net.> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 oc245d8aff at colon.net wrote: > I'm in favour of trying to mention Belle and Sebastian in > each message, if only to see what ridiculous lengths we are > prepared to go to to try and fit them into off-topic > ramblings. I like all this stuff about buses and badges. Yes I too love the riciulous lengths people go to. It's bound to be less boring than today. It's bound to be less boring than tomorrow. > What's this Belle and Sebastian message board then? I found > it via Infoseek, but around and around the little planets > went, all to no avail. File not found, or some such > nonsense. Think it got axed because of this mailing list? On Compuserve, yeah? It was on the "second" Unofficial B&S homepage, in fact the guy who did it is on this list I think (is it Chris? "csh1"?). Maybe he took it off when he discovered how much we all natter here. Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From paulf at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 16:10:18 1997 From: paulf at xxx.uk (Paul Forsyth) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:10:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Gigs Message-ID: <343267DA.1FBF910D@scs.leeds.ac.uk> Helloo, On the official B&S web page there is a mention of 3 gigs in Manchester in December this year. Does anyone know where-abouts they will be playing, and possible dates? I would love to know when and where they are next playing! Paul ____________________________________ / \ Paul Forsyth / E: paulf at scs.leeds.ac.uk \ Computer Science { W: http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/paulf/ } University Of Leeds \ P: +44-113-233-6789 / Leeds LS2 9JT \____________________________________/ United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tanya101 at xxx.com Wed Oct 1 16:49:56 1997 From: Tanya101 at xxx.com (tanya) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:49:56 -0400 Subject: Sinister: the name References: <199709302356.BAA09994@mail1.isdnet.net> Message-ID: <34327122.5752@n2k.com> Not to be a jerk, but I'd like to suggest reading through all the messages and sending one or two responses, as opposed to answering them all individually. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tanya101 at xxx.com Wed Oct 1 16:59:25 1997 From: Tanya101 at xxx.com (tanya) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:59:25 -0400 Subject: Sinister: ok i give up / tigermilk References: <199710011307.JAA02030@www3.web2010.com> Message-ID: <3432735A.A48@n2k.com> I've been trying since I got my copy of Sinister to find a copy of Tigermilk on my own. I give up. I hope someone will tape it for me. I need this. I will send them a tape of some sort of grooviness in return. thank you, tanya ps- sorry about that complaint message previous, I realize that it was some kind of technical error and I will not jump to conclusions again. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 17:29:21 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 17:29:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: dude with a bike References: <199710011307.JAA02030@www3.web2010.com> <3432735A.A48@n2k.com> Message-ID: <34327A61.EFBBB1FF@mail.zynet.co.uk> just got the latest 'promo' photo for B&S. It's a bloke with a bicycle. an old bicycle... So anyone want to bless us with the details of who what & where? i think we can guess the 'why' easily enough ;-) the duke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 1 15:54:04 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:54:04 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Felt samples References: <1.5.4.32.19971001123602.00697104@student.let.uva.nl> Message-ID: <3432640C.77F24068@colon.net.> Ninette wrote: > CALAMITY! Something terrible has happened! Oh, and I'm so > afraid all those > nice people who sent me lovely samples will be mad at > me!!! I'm not sure > WHAT I've done ('cos, as my Dad always says, " it's never > the computer that > does something wrong, it just follows up your commands"), > but I've lost the > wav- files, which means I can't open the attachments, > which means I CAN'T > LISTEN TO THE SAMPLES!!! On Monday everything worked fine, > but then I didn't > have any headphones. And now.... Would you be so kind as > to send them again? > Sorry.... :( > Ninette > Does your dad work for Bill Gates? All this computer talk is beyond me, but I'm convinced there's more to it than just following up commands. I like that one, a bright future "if they want it". Sounds like an end of term progress report. So when are they going to be on Top of the Pops then? I tried to send a message to the person who asked about the Jennifers, but it bounced back. The essence of it was: I'd watch the football if I were you, mate. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From snyderd at xxx.edu Wed Oct 1 18:54:51 1997 From: snyderd at xxx.edu (Dave Snyder) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: sinister: RHP Message-ID: Sorry to be off topic, but is anyone here aware of a Red House Painters mailing list? There used to be an excellent official site online with updates, etc, but it's been sadly offline for quit a while now. I want to know what's going on! :) Thanks, Dave ************************************************************************** *Dave Snyder******905 Church St. #3 Ann Arbor MI 48104******(313)741-9708* **************snyderd at umich.edu**http://www.umich.edu/~snyderd************ ....didn't i say feelings were the last things to make themselves felt?... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bsp01e at xxx.uk Thu Oct 2 04:07:08 1997 From: bsp01e at xxx.uk (william philip bowen#]) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:07:08 PDT Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake Message-ID: Yes. There was a great piece on Nick Drake in Mojo in the February issue (or it may have been March issue - I remember reading it on the aeroplane to the West Indies, where we were studying the evolution of tree lizards whilst on a field trip - interesting eh!!) I agree that Nick Drake is more mournful (than bleak!!). The comparison I would make is that both have delightful tunes, interesting lyrics - which connect with the listener - and make you wish to have heard them on the beach at Guirdil bothy on the deserted Isle of Rum!! Sorry I cannot make it sound more poetic, but I am an ecologist!! Philip ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnj at xxx.com Wed Oct 1 21:39:53 1997 From: johnj at xxx.com (J Jackson) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:39:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: single of the week / tigermilk In-Reply-To: <43253530.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971001213953.0068fa34@mail.u-net.com> Yes the beginning of Tigermilk is quite sibilant, it's the record pressing you know. At 02:35 PM 10/1/97 +0100, you wrote: > >Author: "andrew dean" at ~ITPS-INTERNET > >Date: 01/10/97 09:07 > >and a question to all of you who have real copies of tigermilk: is > >your copy very sibilant at the start? (do the high bits hiss? \'i > >wassss sssurprisssssed\'). > > my copy hisses all right but that's part of its charm > > C >----------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________________ Run away! Run away! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Landmine9 at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 04:14:45 1997 From: Landmine9 at xxx.com (Landmine9 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Mishearings... Message-ID: <971001220905_1108920030@emout12.mail.aol.com> The first few listens of "Belle and Sebastian," I thought he was singing: "Belle was ok, but oh Sebastian Went too far again Christ is calling your name" (rather than "Crashed his car in the rain.") I liked this lyric quite a bit, and thought it went well with the tongue-in-cheek religion of "The State I Am In" and "If Your Feeling Sinister," and added a different twist to "Poor Sebastian is heading for a fall." Funny how it never sounds like you originally thought once you know. oh well michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 1 23:10:57 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 00:10:57 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake References: Message-ID: <3432CA71.DF52E36B@colon.net.> william philip bowen#] wrote: > Yes. > There was a great piece on Nick Drake in Mojo in the > February issue (or it may > have been March issue - I remember reading it on the > aeroplane to the West > Indies, where we were studying the evolution of tree > lizards whilst on a field trip - > interesting eh!!) > I agree that Nick Drake is more mournful (than bleak!!). > The comparison I would make is that both have delightful > tunes, interesting lyrics - > which connect with the listener - and make you wish to > have heard them on the > beach at Guirdil bothy on the deserted Isle of Rum!! > Sorry I cannot make it sound more poetic, but I am an > ecologist!! > Philip This list gets stranger and stranger. Since when have tree lizards gone on field trips? Once upon a time I almost met Nick Drake's sister, the one who used to be in Crossroads. She was appearing alongside Ian "You stupid boy" Lavender in Hastings. At the time I was only vaguely aware of her brother. I have to say that I think the first time you hear B&S the similarity is quite striking, but then you stop noticing. Time for beddy-byes. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 17:28:28 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:28:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: single of the week / tigermilk Message-ID: <01BCCE8F.6F1E8E90@rainbow.qss.co.uk> -----Original Message----- From: andrew dean [SMTP:andrew.dean at xxx.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 2:07 PM To: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Sinister: single of the week / tigermilk another single, another single of the week in melody maker - "A musical box left playing in a long-abandoned nursery" etc it\'s getting almost tedious and a question to all of you who have real copies of tigermilk: is your copy very sibilant at the start? (do the high bits hiss? \'i wassss sssurprisssssed\'). mine does even when played on brand-spanking-new arm-and-a-leg turntable* (an early birthday present to myself). is it the master tapes d\'you think or a limitation of the vinyl (ie if they ever get around to doing cds will they be as bad or will they be better? or is it just my turntable (i hope not)) [Keith Watson] Yes mine does too - what's worse however is "Electronic Renaissance" there's a lot of hiss on that ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Thu Oct 2 09:27:20 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:27:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Get your freebies here !! Message-ID: <199710020827.JAA25034@brookes.ac.uk> Greetings. For all of you who aren't privy to NME, there is a competition in it to win 'LOADS of Belle & Sebastian GOODIES - like records ! T-shirts ! Posters ! And badges ! - from recordings past'. All you have to do is name B&S's first album (Duh !!) a) 'Tiger Bay' b) 'Tiger Milk' c) 'Tiger Balm'. If you want to save your money buying NME, just send your answer to 'It's Not Your Money They're After Boy, It's Your Comp' On Desk, NME, 25th Floor, King's Reach Tower, Stamford Street, London, SE99 0BB. By October 18th (so all you yanks have a chance !!). Also see that 3, 6, 9 seconds is number 3 on the 'stereo' in NME. Went to see Tanya Donnelly last night, which was super, and before she came on, they played Century of Elvis, which made me smile, and there was a small smatter of applause no less from the front, whether it was for the song, or a glimpse of Tanya, I know not. Also tried to tear a poster of LLPJ down from outside a pub, but the glue defeated me, and it ended up in 12 bits. I left it. Good luck in the competition (hint: I don't think it's a !!) Ben. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Thu Oct 2 09:34:21 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:34:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: More info on the freebies. Message-ID: <199710020834.JAA03059@brookes.ac.uk> Oh, just read the rest of the compo thing, and the winner gets a vinyl copy of Sinister, vinyl LLPJ, Dog poster, LLPJ poster, and a t-shirt (you have to specify S/M/L) and a badge. The next 9 get a t-shirt and a badge, and the next 18 get a poster of either Dog or LLPJ. Once again good luck. Ben. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 10:46:31 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:46:31 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199710020836.JAA19057@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> I don't have a multi-cd player, but here's the CD's in the glove compartment of my car (and therefore often played) at the moment.... If You're Feeling Sinister - Belle & Sebastian The Weekend Never Starts Round Here - Arab Stap It's A Life Sentence - Various Edinburgh Bands (inc. the great 'Ballboy') Curtains - Tindersticks Kelvingrove Baby - The Bathers Hay. Belle & Sebby single of the week in NME..again. Keith - I took a few friends to Egg on Saturday night. We all enjoyed it. Glad to hear a fair bit of B&S. Thought I saw you, but didn't want to go over incase it was not you. Cheers John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Thu Oct 2 10:15:47 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (klas ericsson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:15:47 +0200 Subject: Sinister: My Wandering Days Are Over Message-ID: Hi! Do anyone have the lyrics to "My wandering days are over". I have a bit of a problem with internet right now, so if that anyone could just email me, I would be very grateful. I will then make you alla a report on what I thought Stuart was singing before... Or maybe not. I would also be very interested to hear from the Duke what kevin pearce thinks about Belle & Sebastia. Not that I would change my mind or really care if he dislikes them, but because he´s a briliant writer. I don´t know how many people noticed the Hal Hartley quote in "I could be dreaming", the one from Trust (I think), that goes " A family is lika a loaded gun, if you point it in the wrong direction...". Has anyone found any more Hal Hartley-oriented topics in B&S lyrics. Stuart David mentioned him as an inspiration in my interview for the fanzine STATE (which I´m trying to change to the STATE I am in - of course:-)). What did MM and NME write about the band in their Single of the week reviews? Henry Fool (aka Klas) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Oct 2 11:31:00 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:31:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: RE: Message-ID: <01BCCF26.A9510F60@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Keith - I took a few friends to Egg on Saturday night. We all enjoyed it. Glad to hear a fair bit of B&S. Thought I saw you, but didn't want to go over incase it was not you. [Keith Watson] I was at the Egg on Saturday - so it probably was me - but I didn't see you - sorry, I was rubbered as usual mind you - yes it was dead cool (I'm glad MS Word 97's grammar checker's not looked at that last sentence), A Century of Fakers, Put the book back on the shelf and Le Pastie de la bourgeousie - Ace. Sorry I didn't catch you - it's odd like, it's not that big a place and I can remember roughly what you look like - oh well, next time maybe. I'll probably not be there on Saturday - Death in Vegas/Black Star Liner are on at Potterrow, so I'll probably go along to that instead. I may well however be there the week subsequent. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Thu Oct 2 12:37:38 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:37:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: More tabs Message-ID: I've collected together the guitar tabs sent recently - thanks to Dazza, Alan, Keith and Giuseppe. Sorry I had to chuck some duplicates. You can see them at: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/chords.html Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rwilkin at xxx.au Thu Oct 2 13:23:08 1997 From: rwilkin at xxx.au (Shelley Wilkinson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:23:08 +1000 Subject: Sinister: lyrical faux pas References: <199710020316.EAA18068@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3433922C.5CED@gil.com.au> ---------------*unlurk*---------------------- ......to point out a personal faux pas is that really a good idea? speaking of mis- hearing lyrics... i remember there was talk a while ago of a 'star wars' connection or reference in a B&S song.(?? which one) and i thought, "oh, just like in lazy line painter jane"... "being a rebel scum.." which doesn't really make any sense, especially when they're really saying "being a rebel's fine..." *cringe and blush* shelley ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cleonard at xxx.COM Thu Oct 2 09:24:08 1997 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:24:08 -0500 Subject: Sinister: mishearings Message-ID: Hello, I always thought in "Seeing Other People" the words "Your kissing your double, your kissing your reflection" were sang instead of "Your kissing your elbow etc.". I thought it was about these skinny long hair boys who go to discos and get stuck into skinny long hair girls who look the same as them. And It got me thinking is it incredibly vain to be attracted to someone who looks like you, or is it worse to think you can do better. I just read that. I know what I mean. Anyway, the person who said the trumpet from "Dog On Wheels" is like "Alone Again Or" by Love is spot on. It sounds like B & S have tried to do the same things with the guitar flurries throughout the song. Stuart Murdoch's voice occasionally reminds me of the Incredible String Band. This is initially what attracted me to B & S. I'm off Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Oct 2 16:34:57 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:34:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: mishearings Message-ID: <01BCCF51.1F2DD810@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Anyway, the person who said the trumpet from "Dog On Wheels" is like "Alone Again Or" by Love is spot on. It sounds like B & S have tried to do the same things with the guitar flurries throughout the song. [Keith Watson] Well that's got to be Mick well and truly praised then (Stuart told him to "Play like Love" on Dog on Wheels), although I'd say the song was more like "A House is not a Motel", at least in passing. I actually like Dog on Wheels generally more than Love myself, despite liking Forever changes a lot. Ooooo... I've just spotted a cracking quote from Simon Price in this weeks Melody Maker: "Oasis let us head the inarticulate speech of their hearts. Anyone who calls their music dumb is closer to another truth altogether, because theirs is the expression of all the things that can't be expressed" There's quite a lot of folk banging on about Oasis in the press at the moment - I feel a bit left out, I generally most of the time agree with the general press opinion, and times when I've disagreed with them I've invariably come around, but I just don't get Oasis at all, is it me, or are they really something more than just a bunch of brickies writing turgid tunes that are invariably copped off of other people - am I wrong in thinking that almost all of their songs sound exactly the same? Anyway, back to the grindstone. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk Thu Oct 2 16:36:09 1997 From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:36:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: mishearings Message-ID: <433C1FB0.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> hello, I can't believe my eyes - someone has mentioned the Incredible String Band! Completely underrated. I read that they have just reformed and are about to play some gigs, believe it or not. I must admit the connection is not obvious at first sight... nor at second sight... er, which B&S songs are you thinking of? B&S mishearings: I thought the line in "My Wandering Days are Over" was "sex my son, de Winter's gone" and was a reference to a priest's hopeless adulation for a black and white film character. Actually that is a complete and utter lie. But I laughed. (Vacuous Thursday afternoons...) C ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Sinister: mishearings Author: Chris Leonard at ~ITPS-INTERNET Date: 02/10/97 03:24 Hello, I always thought in "Seeing Other People" the words "Your kissing your double, your kissing your reflection" were sang instead of "Your kissing your elbow etc.". I thought it was about these skinny long hair boys who go to discos and get stuck into skinny long hair girls who look the same as them. And It got me thinking is it incredibly vain to be attracted to someone who looks like you, or is it worse to think you can do better. I just read that. I know what I mean. Anyway, the person who said the trumpet from "Dog On Wheels" is like "Alone Again Or" by Love is spot on. It sounds like B & S have tried to do the same things with the guitar flurries throughout the song. Stuart Murdoch's voice occasionally reminds me of the Incredible String Band. This is initially what attracted me to B & S. I'm off Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From barzy at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 18:47:55 1997 From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:47:55 -0800 Subject: Sinister: mishearings Message-ID: >Anyway, the person who said the trumpet from "Dog On Wheels" is like >"Alone Again Or" by Love is spot on. It sounds like B & S have tried to >do the same things with the guitar flurries throughout the song. > That bit's always reminded me of the theme from Hawaii Five-o.........but perhaps....that's just me.... California dreamin' beth ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Oct 2 20:32:43 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:32:43 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Funny Little Hedgehog Message-ID: <3433F6DB.F0DB77AD@colon.net.> It's all coming out into the open now, isn't it? I too must confess to a (limited) familiarity with The Incredible String Band. Unfortunately I sold my two CDs quite a while ago. (That's the trouble with selling things, you always regret it in the end. Even if you get 250 smackers for it, you're bound to fritter it away on other loony tunes or nonsense.) I was quite partial to the song "Funny Little Hedgehog", obviously a by-product of a particularly hefty bong session. For reasons beyond the comprehension of mere mortals, this particular area of Spain (or the Basque Country, please yourself) is rife with Incredible String Band albums. I don't know if anyone actually buys them. There's loads and loads of them. Can't say they remind me much of Belle and Sebastian, but you never know what's around the corner. Just how many people on this list have got wierd beards? Can I have a free rant? Thank you. I've just spent the entire afternoon translating some crap about clothes, including the phrase; "...blah blah blah...will offer proven and timeless styles that every woman desires and wears. In a nutshell (note nifty Orange Juice reference), indispensible clothes that never become unfashionable...." As if that wasn't traumatic enough, I get home to a mumbled message on the answerphone telling me that it's the wrong bloody document after all! What do I do? Go round and punch his lights out? Get pissed? Honestly, I don't know what the world is coming to. Sorry about that, but I had to get it off my chest, and there's no-one else in the house. Should any of you come across the Cottonfield Basic Line range of boring and practical clothing, BURN IT! Knitwear!!! what a stupid word! This should also answer Keith's question as to what I'm doing in Spain. Translating the wrong bloody document, that's what I'm doing. At least today. Other days I'm either an unemployed layabout or a struggling artist. Depends how you want to look at it. And belated thanks to Charlotte for the Taggart information. Yes, I did go to that famous seat of learning perched atop Gilmorehill. It earned me the right to translate the wrong documents. I voted for Winnie Mandela. I saw Taggart outside a tube station once. He looked just as miserable as he does on the telly. I'm not bloody surprised. Now I have to translate a contract about a mystery product that must be sold from a white cupboard. I kid you not. Although I'm moaning I'm quite happy underneath it all, because it's bloody difficult to get translation work. Ironically, the bosses tend not to trust beginners. I'm desperately trying to think of something B&S related...they've been removed from their prominent display position in my local record emporium. I don't know where they've put them all, because they won't fit in the racks for all the Incredible String Band goodies. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From susin1 at xxx.edu Thu Oct 2 20:35:04 1997 From: susin1 at xxx.edu (Nicholas Susi) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: mishearings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, I always thought and so have all of my friends that the lyrics to, "Seeing Other People" were about being gay, or at least toying with the idea. It seems to be a little story about two young boys and the idea of homosexuality and its presence in young boys that is so often hidden. Its all about experimentation. I could be wrong, what does everyone else think? Nicholas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From pozor at xxx.nl Wed Oct 1 21:57:00 1997 From: pozor at xxx.nl (PoZoR) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:57:00 +0200 Subject: Sinister: RE: You have been subscribed Message-ID: <01BCCF83.8884C800@asd1-p5.worldonline.nl> Please.... Unsubscribe me! Thanx! Art. List: [belleandsebastian] [X] UNSUBSCRIBE ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Thu Oct 2 23:20:34 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 23:20:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: NEW T-SHIRTS AND A CREDIT CARD MACHINE!!! Message-ID: <34341E32.65E9FFE3@virgin.net> Yeah, we finally got it all together. So forgiving a few spelling mistakes you can view the new merchandise on a gallery I've made and then use an on-line order form to send the order to us. Everything's ready, we've got hundreds of shirts, records and cd's just sitting here waiting for you. And to those of you who use Credit Card, you can also buy Ink Polaroids from us if you're ordering anything else at the same time. David Kitchen Belle and Sebastian Fan Club. PS: If you'd bookmarked the old merchandise page it's still the same one, or visit it via the link below or from the official site! -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Fri Oct 3 13:16:46 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (klas ericsson) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:16:46 +0200 Subject: Sinister: compo Message-ID: This photo from 1989 are of me (Klas) and my three friends, Anders, Anders and Anders. We´re fourteen. I´m the one with brownhair and ishockey haircut (this might be a swedish expression so just think David Bowie as Aladin Sane) standing in the middle, laughing, carrying the blond Anders on my back. As you can see we´re on a train. That train is stuck on the great railway bridge outside Edinburgh. I don´t remember it´s name, but it´s great and red (I think). We´ve been stuck here for three hours. Twenty minutes ago we moved ten meters or so, but now we´re stuck again. It might be at bit strange but we´re having a great time climbing around in the compartment. The old lady by the window are looking very upset as one Anders (the darkhaired one) are on his way out of the train window, hundreds of meters (ok mAybe not but it makes the story better) down are the Firth of forth. The rest of us are laughing. So why are we here in Scotland, alone and only fourteen. Well, as you can see the redhaired Anders, who sits beside the old woman, wears a scoutshirt. Yes, we been to a camp - the Discovery 89. That was ten days ago and after that we visited new found friends in Turriff. The blond Anders was a pretty wild young man, so he had a lot of troubles to get someone who wanted to take him home. But he gave away some playing cards featuring nude women to a boy (who´s name I will not mention) and got somewhere to stay that way. Now we´re on our way home, meeting up with leaders in Edinburg before going to Glasgow and the airport. The reason why I want to share this photo with you is that every time I look at it I get very nostalgic. It just feels like this picture captures the feeling of being young, childish, without any troubling thoughts and looking forward without pessismism. And that´s not the case anymore. ///Klas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a9653157 at xxx.uk Fri Oct 3 12:53:00 1997 From: a9653157 at xxx.uk (S.A. Clarke A9653157) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 12:53:00 bst Subject: Sinister: More chords Message-ID: <3434DCCA@hermes.hud.ac.uk> Hello there. I've just found the "Belle and Sebastian songbook" page and noticed that the songs off the Lazy Line...E.P are not included. I think they go something like this. Steve LAZY LINE PAINTER JANE F# Bb Working the village shop, putting a poster up Eb min F# B maj7 Dreaming of anything, dreaming of the time Bb min Ab min When you are free from all the trouble you're in F# Bb In the mud on your knees, trying hard not to please Eb min F#7 B Anyone all the time, being a rebel's fine, B min F# But you go all the way to being brutal. C# You will have a boy tonight, you will have a boy tonight B F# min F# On the last bus out of town, on the last bus out of town. YOU MADE ME FORGET MY DREAMS This song is built around the following chord sequence. There is a droned Db bass note for most of the song. Db F# You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping Db F# Db We had peace for a night at least but the trouble starts today This morning you'll say: Ab F# Db F# "I'll see you sometime, maybe" and I fall back to uneasy sleep. PHOTO JENNY F# I'm in a mess, I'm in a dress There's nothing from here till tomorrow morning B Bb min G# min How do I get there? How do I get there? I don't do drugs F# All my friends are on their holidays. (Same for second verse) C# B Bb min They got the drugs I could use but then I don't need any C# B Bb min All that I want is a photograph of Photo Jenny B F# How will I get one? I don't know B F# How will I get one? I don't know B F# C# How will I get her to strike a pose? Then at the end of the song there are some harmonies on the word "pose" that go.. A maj7, B, F# A CENTURY OF ELVIS There are four chord sequences in this one that are repeated. For those who don't know, A/C# indicates an A major chord with a C# in the bass. D A/C# G/B D/A G D/F# A (Play 4 times) B min G D A (Play twice) A A G D (Play twice) D A/C# G/B D/A G D/F# A (Play twice) B min G D A (Play twice) D G D G (To end) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Fri Oct 3 12:52:13 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 13:52:13 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian at Peel Acres Message-ID: <3434DC6D.83290482@colon.net.> Without wishing to bring up the old DJ chestnut again... John Peel played "A Century of Fakers" on his World Service programme this morning. He said he didn't like it at first, but after six or seven listens he can't stop humming it to himself. He followed it up with some nice "techno rubbish". I just thought you might like to know. People who live in tree houses in the jungle heard it. Peruvian llama herds heard it. Even educated fleas heard it. So hooray for the BBC World Service! Apparently I'm getting paid for doing the wrong translation, so that's OK. I'll believe it when I see it, but still. I'm more partial to Oasis now than I ever was. I think it's because of the Flying V guitar in that video with all the helicopters. I see no reason why brickkies should or shouldn't make music, or musicians become brickies. Communists used to do that as punishment for excess grooviness. I also think it's OK to nick tunes. There are only so many ways to make the air vibrate. If you think up something "new" someone else will immediately copy it and run off with all the money. And where do you draw the line between "influenced by" and "ripping off"? It keeps lawyers in business, I suppose. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Fri Oct 3 13:47:25 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Ninette) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 14:47:25 +0200 Subject: Sinister: sonic confusion (lyric misinterpretations) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971003124725.00672e34@student.let.uva.nl> Amanda wrote: >That "make a new cult everyday" thing is an easy enough mistake to make >BECAUSE IT IS THE ACTUAL LYRIC. (or at least according to the lyrics in the >CD) >Yeah, I know, I think I really meant to say I heard it as "make a new COAT every day".... >Though I have noticed that sometimes what is sung varies from what is >printed there...like in "Seeing Other People," the line (according to that >lyric sheet) is: "You're going to have to change/ Or your're going to have >to go with girls/ You might be better off/ At least they know what they're >doing." But in the song itself on the album, as well as in the BBC >sessions version, the line sounds like "At least they know where to put >it." Either way, it's still a sort of funny musing. > Yeah, well, they actually DO sing it as "at least they know where to put it". It's especially clear in the Evening session recording I've got on tape, where Seeing Other People is really, really slow (so I couldn't have misheard it this time)! It's funnier this way than on the lyric sheet, I think. Has anyone read the small print beneath the lyrics for Pulp albums? It says, "Please do not read the lyrics while listening to this recording". Maybe that'd be a good idea for B&S...? Bye, Ninette > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Fri Oct 3 14:46:31 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (klas ericsson) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:46:31 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Century of promos Message-ID: Hi! This one goes out to those chosen few who have got the "Centuary of fakers" ep in their mailboxes already. I want an review, and a description of every track. And do not just use the word "fantastic"! I´m dead curios - you see, and I guess more of us "unchosen" are. So please, somebody... ///Klas, who also wonders if anyone "Over there" has seen "Henry Fool" yet. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Fri Oct 3 15:26:34 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:26:34 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Compo Message-ID: <01BCCFE6.D49B3360@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Here's one of my nephew. I forgot to turn the flash on and it's already getting dark inside on this midwinter's afternoon. He's scurrying about around the furniture and although I'm supposed to be playing hide and seek with him, I'm really lying on the sofa acting lazy. As he sticks his head out from his hiding place and I say "I found you now Eli." He smiles and says, "No you didn't Uncle Matt" and sticks his head back inside. Matt (who accidentally sent this message to the list owner originally.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Fri Oct 3 15:28:41 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:28:41 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Mishearings Message-ID: <01BCCFE7.1FA47D80@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> I thought the first time I heard the State "My brother had confessed he was gay and said that he loved me for a while" I think this is classic. Anyone else hear it like this? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From scp2cm at xxx.uk Fri Oct 3 15:57:30 1997 From: scp2cm at xxx.uk (Mr Christopher D Martin) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:57:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Compo Message-ID: <199710031457.PAA21618@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> What is the closing date for the Ink Paranoids compo? Thank you muchly, chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From scp2cm at xxx.uk Fri Oct 3 16:34:15 1997 From: scp2cm at xxx.uk (Mr Christopher D Martin) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:34:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Compo Message-ID: <199710031533.QAA22084@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> This is a picture of Charlie and Butterfly Jo sitting in our back yard last summer. Charlie is on the left wearing my old brown chords and a wicked grin. Her eyes are fixed on next doors tabby cat who is perched on Joe's belly, striving to grab Joe's key which he's dangling from a shoelace. That red shoelace acted as a beacon all year. He'd have lost that key a thousand times down the side of the sofa or under a pile of old newspapers had the shoelace not betrayed its resting place. Its funny but I never did manage to find a way to attract Charlie's gaze. Chris DM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cleonard at xxx.COM Fri Oct 3 09:22:21 1997 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:22:21 -0500 Subject: Sinister: String Band Again (Or) Message-ID: Hello, just a bit about the String Band....I promise not to go on cos I presume most folk on the list won't be interested Here's what I said >Stuart Murdoch's voice occasionally reminds me of the Incredible String >Band. This is initially what attracted me to B & S. Here's what Charlotte Said >> I can't believe my eyes - someone has mentioned the Incredible String >> Band! Completely underrated. I read that they have just reformed and >> are about to play some gigs, believe it or not. >> >> I must admit the connection is not obvious at first sight... nor at >> second sight... er, which B&S songs are you thinking of? I was meaning the *voice* rather than the songs. You know, the fellow out of the String Band with the higher voice (Robin Williamson I think). It strikes me especially in B&S ballads like "The Boy Done Wrong Again". Both have quiet voices, similar accents and a tendency to pronounce "a" as in "say" instead of "cat". Even when I first got "Sinister" the first thing that struck me was that they had a song called "Fox in the Snow", which made me instantly think of the String Band song title "Ducks on a Pond". That's just what I think. The music and the lyrics are totally different, just the voice. Apologies to anyone who doesn't know/care what I'm on about. Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mjouan at xxx.com Fri Oct 3 17:55:38 1997 From: mjouan at xxx.com (Michelle Jouan) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 09:55:38 -0700 Subject: Sinister: ah ha! Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971003165538.006c3d50@mailbox.previewtravel.com> i'm sure we've all had those specific, clarifying moments. they're akin to when you're traveling up a mountain and your ears begin to get all plugged up. it's then that you open your mouth and giggle your jaw side to side and you can hear the world in technicolour again. i had one of those moments the other day. i was listening to "stars of track and field" and it got to the line, "kissing girls in english at the back of the stairs." all of a sudden it made sense! they weren't FRENCH kissing! they were kissing the english way! peck on the cheek? for some reason the rest of the song seemed to fall into place once i got past that line. perhaps i'm incorrect (though i don't believe that there's anything incorrect with anyone's interpretation of song lyrics. it's all so personal.), but i was very excited when it occurred to me that way. :) michelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you can't say something nice, please phrase your insults well. It makes for a better read. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Fri Oct 3 22:56:38 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 14:56:38 -0700 Subject: Sinister: what does it all mean? Message-ID: <34356A16.5564@earthlink.net> hey. alright i've figured out that debenham's is some sort of department store, no? and i've figured out that leccy = electricity. but, i can't figure out this one other thing because i guess it's a european thing.....what does "turning tables round in marks and spencers'" mean. what is he referring to? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Fri Oct 3 21:24:39 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 22:24:39 +0200 Subject: Sinister: what does it all mean? References: <34356A16.5564@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <34355487.F00321AE@colon.net.> superbob wrote: > hey. > alright i've figured out that debenham's is some sort of > department > store, no? and i've figured out that leccy = electricity. > but, i can't figure out this one other thing because i > guess it's a > european thing.....what does "turning tables round in > marks and > spencers'" mean. what is he referring to? Marks and Spencer (or Marks and Sparks) is another department store, but without many departments. As anybody's mum will tell you, it is the greatest invention since the Queen Mother. If you buy a jumper from there you will soon see somebody else wearing the same one. How embarrassing! But if you buy your y-fronts from there, no-one will know, so you can enjoy their legendary value for money in peace. My dad wanted me to try and become a Marks and Spencers branch manager. I had never heard anything quite so ridiculous in all my life. The food's quite nice, but a bit expensive. They don't accept Switch cards. If you turn the tables round they will probably kick you out, or call the police pretty sharpish. I think the line should have been "turning a table half way round before the security guard pounces". When you are happy to wear Marks and Sparks clothes, you know that maturity is just around the corner. Do you know Nick Faldo, the golfer? He's a bit like M&S, a bit boring, reliable, and rakes in loads of money. They were also the first shop to stop selling things for X pounds and ninety nine pence, the one penny increase on evrything meaning increased earnings of several billion trillion pounds a year. Last time I was there, they had branched out into Wallace and Gromit socks. I think that's everything. Anybody else? Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tysonm at xxx.edu Fri Oct 3 21:52:43 1997 From: tysonm at xxx.edu (Tyson McCreary) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: compo Message-ID: This is one of me standing outside the Gap in San Francisco waiting for Susan. I'm wearing a stiff new dress shirt and old jeans I used to think were too tight. I used to hate wearing tight clothes because I thought they made me look too skinny. Susan is very fashionable, in both clothes and lateness. I really like her. I hadn't seen her all summer, and she called me out of the blue to see Supergrass. I'd barely even heard them before. I feel plain, unhip, but happy. I see her, and she's wearing beautiful shoes. After the show, I didn't see her for the rest of the summer. Tyson McCreary tysonm at cats.ucsc.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From barzy at xxx.com Fri Oct 3 23:01:23 1997 From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:01:23 -0800 Subject: Sinister: what does it all mean? Message-ID: Re: Marks & Sparks..... Last time I was there, they had branched out >into Wallace and Gromit socks. > >I think that's everything. Anybody else? > >Peter > Wow....SOCKS!!!!!???? Last time I was there they had Wallace & Gromit bath stuff with sponges of them on top.....I'm still kicking myself for not getting them. I decided on the pint of Guinness bath foam......it settles and everything. They also had Thomas The Tank Engine hat and gloves, but try as I did....I just could NOT fit the damn hat on my big ole heeeeed. Why do they always make stuff like that in CHILDREN'S sizes.........If this was the indiepop list, a woman could get lynched for saying something like that......whew......I've never turned a table round in M&S...never occured to...tho I did get a photo of a fruit table with pineapples on, and right in back of it was the ladies undergarment section....odd....pineapples and underwear....hum. I got a nice pair of 6 pound socks in the one in Aberdeen......I had to.....my Chelsea boots sprung a leak and my toes were *freezing*!!!!!! xo beth > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From initgrl at xxx.org Fri Oct 3 21:58:41 1997 From: initgrl at xxx.org (jj heldmann) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: what does it all mean? In-Reply-To: <34355487.F00321AE@colon.net.> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 oc245d8aff at colon.net wrote: > Marks and Spencer (or Marks and Sparks) is another > department store, but without many departments. As anybody's > mum will tell you, it is the greatest invention since the > Queen Mother. If you buy a jumper from there you will soon > see somebody else wearing the same one. How embarrassing! i was once quite desperate for a swim suit and bought a black tank suit at marks and sparks. i think that's the only thing i ever purchased there other than the occasional food item. um, lessee, how to make this b&s related...oh yes! my mom was visiting me this morning and i played 'sinister' for her and she liked it (also played her francoise hardy and serge gainsbourg and now i think i have to make her a tape) :) xo jj ******************************************** fantastic po box 4492 ann arbor mi 48106 usa www.mindspring.com/~initialgirl/fantastic ******************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aeos at xxx.com Fri Oct 3 22:33:40 1997 From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:33:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Pulp controversy Message-ID: <199710032131.WAA25035@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> > Has anyone read the small print beneath the lyrics for Pulp albums? It says, > "Please do not read the lyrics while listening to this recording". Maybe > that'd be a good idea for B&S...? That line haunted me for years. I tried to adopt that as a rule of thumb, but it was just the other day, while listening to 4st 7lb from The Holy Bible by the Manics - I thought "I know these are fabulous words, but I can't hear half of them. What's the point of missing out on them just for some petty statement on a few albums half as good as this one [bearing in mind that The Holy Bible is at least twice as good as most contenders]." So I followed it with the lyrics, and for the first time realised that he was singing 'This discipline's so rare so please applaud", "It's the way you're built my father said, but I can change".......and countless other products of the genius that was Richey James in 1994. So, basically, no. If you don't understand what Stuart's singing [unlikely in itself], for God's sake look it up! * * * * * Andrew O'Sullivan aeos at dial.pipex.com http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan "You've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation to the sequel of your life." * * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmodell at xxx.edu Fri Oct 3 22:48:24 1997 From: jmodell at xxx.edu (Josh Modell) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:48:24 -0500 Subject: Sinister: compo Message-ID: <34356828.10D1@csd.uwm.edu> Here's a night time group shot; I like those the best. Nobody's posed, of course, but D, Monica, Danie (the girl), Danny (the boy), Jim, Heidi, Eric, Jim, John, Amy, Rich and Heather are milling about outside the movie theatre, facing all different directions, facing the sidewalk. If anybody's talking, they're cautiously attempting to find out if the film made sense to anyone else. Everyone's relieved to learn that it didn't. Small consolation was found in the fact that no one had paid to get it -- that and a walk to the corner for some ice cream. If you look closely, you'll see the back of my head. I'm already halfway there. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nelger at xxx.edu Fri Oct 3 22:56:10 1997 From: nelger at xxx.edu (N. ) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Hal Hartley / B&S Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, klas.ericsson at student.jmg.gu.se (klas ericsson), wrote: >I don't know how many people noticed the Hal Hartley quote in "I could be >dreaming", the one from Trust (I think), that goes " A family is like a >loaded gun, if you point it in the wrong direction...". Has anyone found >any more Hal Hartley-oriented topics in B&S lyrics. Stuart David mentioned >him as an inspiration in my interview for the fanzine STATE (which I=B4m >trying to change to the STATE I am in - of course:-)). > >Henry Fool (aka Klas) Klas, I don't know of any more specific HH references within the lyrics, but I have noticed some broader connections between the two. As a longtime Hal Hartley fan (um, please no debates over who's a "real" HH fan! ;-)) I was thrilled to hear that B&S consider him an inspiration. FYI to everyone, there's a great HH web page (http://www.best.com/~drumz/Hartley/), and a mailing list, too. So, here are some connections I've made .. *** Falling: There's this one B&S photo on the tweenet B&S site (http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~hahndorf/bas/) that reminds me of HH. According to the caption, it's of Stuart David and Richard Colburn. RC is down on the ground in front of a car and SD is crouched next to him. It looks to me like a scene from a HH film. His films always feature loads of tripping/falling or down-on-the-ground scenes and Hal has admitted, "I love people falling down. I've always got my eye out for flat spaces to have someone fall down on. Empty highways have this almost narcotic attraction for me." This shared fondness with falling or having fallen obviously ties into larger issues that both B&S and HH address, and everything that falling can represent on an emotional level. The word itself has mixed connotations because of its use in phrases like "falling in love" and "falling asleep." Both the image and the concept of someone on the ground can be pretty ambiguous. Did he trip or was he pushed or did he lower himself gently to the ground? "Now I'm feeling flat you seem miles away / I'm so tired that down on the pavement I'll lay / Till the blossom on the tree comes falling on me / Fall on me" (Dog on wheels) Both HH films and B&S lyrics address ambiguity. X is not necessarily what it seems to be. But it's not necessarily Y, either! Neither shies away from muddled scenarios, nor tries to wrap them up neatly at the end. Hartley says he's obsessed with "the fumbling attempt to find out what love is, the constant confusion, the frustration." Part of what draws me to both HH and B&S is their willingness to examine the messy truth. Obviously, a filmmaker has more room to do this. Other connections I've noticed: *** Religion: HH films and B&S lyrics are full of references to religion. For example, In HH's "Amateur" one of the main characters is an ex-nun and part of the film takes place in a convent. In "The Unbelievable Truth," Josh is asked again and again, "Are you a priest?" ("No, I'm a mechanic.") I don't need to point out all the B&S religious references to you Sinister listees, right? ;-) *** Self-referentiality: HH often uses the same actors (Donovan, Shelley, Sillas, et al) or a similar character (the street bum, the ex-con) from film to film. Of course, In "Flirt" he does his own short film in three different ways, so I suppose that's a broad form of self-referentiality (hey, is that even a word?). For B&S, the most obvious example is the way Belle and Sebastian are characters in songs as well as the name of the band. Also, things like how in the song "Mary Jo," MJ's reading a book called "The State That I Am In." Ok, there's one more connection and it reaallly stretches it, but hey, i guess that's what this list is for. ;-) Have you all read "Belles Lettres," the series of B&S-inspired stories on the Tangents E-zine? (http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/belle_lettres/index.html) Well, when the narrator is in a classroom with the girl he loves, he gets up and writes on the whiteboard, "I don't love anyone," and then, beneath it, "Belle And Sebastian are God." In the great HH film, "Surviving Desire," Jude is in a classroom with the girl he loves and he gets up and writes on the blackboard, "Knowing is not enough." Guess I'll stop rambling on this subject now. I'm enjoying all the stories about misheard lyrics, so keep them coming. Um, no, I don't need a copy of Tigermilk; already have it thanks to Stuart Maclean. ;-) - Nicole ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From chris_wirth at xxx.com Fri Oct 3 22:56:40 1997 From: chris_wirth at xxx.com (Chris Wirth) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 14:56:40 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Chord help Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Skreddy56 at xxx.com Sat Oct 4 00:14:25 1997 From: Skreddy56 at xxx.com (Skreddy56 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Compo Message-ID: <971003191318_1857278640@emout16.mail.aol.com> My ink Poloroid (some bits re-written in my head during the last 3 weeks or so). This scene is from my first day at my new job. Actually, there is a real poloroid of this somewhere, but that doesn't show the whole picture. The person behind the rack full of dishes is Charlie, my boss. He's taking a picture of me mopping the floor, at my mother's request. I think she wants to get a copy and hang it on the wall, but I sort of hope that she doesn't get a copy. It's not that I'm embarrassed to have my friends see it, because they made me take my hat off to work, and my friends don't recognise me without it. And I don't think my mother could say anything rude about it, because it proves that I do clean things sometimes. I just don't think it's a very good picture. Over there, in the kitchen, is my partner, Joe. We spend all day washing the dishes, but right now he is cutting up vegetables for the soup. Joe has a pair of headphones on because he can't work with the restaurant's radio playing in the background. Neither can I. I asked him what he listened to in there, but he wouldn't tell me. My mom is behind the counter, and now she looks upset because I noticed Charlie taking my picture, and turned away from the camera. I think I'll give her this one, instead. Thank you for reading my ink poloroid! Sorry if I added to the last minute rush of entries filling up your mailbox right now. --Matt (skreddy56 at aol.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MWaggner at xxx.com Sat Oct 4 02:59:29 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 21:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fwd: Sinister: Compo Message-ID: <971003215854_124411677@emout08.mail.aol.com> --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Sinister: Compo Date: 97-10-03 21:58:02 EDT From: MWaggner To: Skreddy56 This is a photo of Matt's hat. As you can see, it's a reddish knit watch cap that used to be a deeper shade a couple of years ago. Since the hat is lying on top of a pile of dirty clothes, Matt must be in the shower or asleep because those are the only times that the hat isn't on his head. He's been wearing it everyday for several years now, ever since the Zambonis threw it out into the audience at an in-store show at Secret Sounds. Actually, it is not the original hat. That one was grabbed off his head at school by someone who poured chocolate milk in it and threw it on the roof or in the dumpster. The dean wouldn't do anything about it. Dave Zamboni went right home and got this hat for Matt when he heard the story and it has become a fact of our lives. Once, the hat got left behind in Barbados. But Matt's grandfather got in touch with the hotel from Miami between flights and they sent it back via Fed-Ex overnight, so it was only missing for one day. Another time, the hat blew out a bus window on a highway in Maine. The bus driver had to radio back to the camp and Howie, who runs the farm, drove 5 or 6 miles to pick it up off the road. If you look closely you can see a little tear in the side. Matt swears his sister tried to cut up his hat, which is feasible because she's 14 and finds it embarrassing, but I don't think she did. Anyway, no one around here would need to actually have Matt in the picture to know this is a photo of him. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tysonm at xxx.edu Sat Oct 4 05:40:31 1997 From: tysonm at xxx.edu (Tyson McCreary) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 21:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: lyrics vs. singing Message-ID: I read a couple messages about lines that are written one way in the lyric sheet and sung differently. I've always wondered about this, with Belle and other bands. Is it just an oversight? Are they playing with us? Obviously the wording evolves as a song comes about, but why is the lyric sheet sometimes (a bit) off? Examples, "if you just want to cuddle...we won't get into trouble" vs. "we won't get in the muddle." "You are the one who's privy" vs. "I am the one..." The order of "I had to catch a bus" and "I had to go to work..." Now I know I'm bordering on obsessive, but a literary band like B&S (they even write all right as two words -- my freshman English teacher would be proud), I'm curious about this little thing... Tyson McCreary tysonm at cats.ucsc.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Sat Oct 4 11:14:31 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:14:31 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: what does it all mean? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, jj heldmann wrote: > um, lessee, how to make this b&s related...oh yes! > my mom was visiting me this morning and i played 'sinister' for her and > she liked it (also played her francoise hardy and serge gainsbourg and now > i think i have to make her a tape) :) Nifty footwork AND a mention of Serge - full marks. Mick Harvey (Bad Seed) is releasing "Pink Elephants", a 16-track follow-up to his wonderful Gainsbourg covers LP in November. Includes Nick Cave and Anita Lane's "Je T'Aime Moi Non Plus". Stop. Belle and Sebastian. Stop. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Sat Oct 4 11:21:28 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:21:28 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: Chord help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Chris Wirth wrote: > Hello all, > Sorry to break in on the real discussions, but could someone send me (off the list) the B&S guitar transcriptions that have been worked out so far. I know a few have been sent to the list, so someone must have put together a collection of sorts. Thanks in advance :) For Chris and others - if you have WWW access go to the page below; if not then send a message "index sinister" to "majordomo at majordomo.net", where the list of available files is. If you like one, get it with "get sinister ". Remember to include the file extension (all transcription files end in ".txt"). Let me know if it screws up. All details of all this gubbins on my WWW page. Be pleased if someone uses this :) Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From CH55808 at xxx.com Sat Oct 4 11:35:43 1997 From: CH55808 at xxx.com (CH55808 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 06:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Site Move Message-ID: <971004063542_1620298153@emout13.mail.aol.com> Boo to the Business World ! has moved to http://members.aol.com:/sebastian/index.htm Please note you have to type 'sebastian' and 'index.htm' in lower case cheers Chris Hall ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From CH55808 at xxx.com Sat Oct 4 12:21:23 1997 From: CH55808 at xxx.com (CH55808 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 07:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: DOH! its really here ! Message-ID: <971004072122_1698706249@emout09.mail.aol.com> Boo to the Business World has actually moved to http://members.aol.com:/CH55805/sebastian/index.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Sat Oct 4 14:01:18 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:01:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: compo etc Message-ID: <0039600000256661000002L012*@MHS> as anyone else realised that by putting 're: compo' as a subject line and writing stuff in a certain way gets around paul's restrictions on what is and isn't proper subject matter for this list? 8) this one's of a train, the 17:44 from euston to points west. it's now approaching 18:00 and the train's still in the station and tempers are beginning to fray. in the centre of the frame is a youngish girl, black t-shirt with a purple star, blonde shoulder-length hair tied back. she'd be attractive but for the look on her face - she's not happy. knowing that the train was going to be a while she'd just popped out for ice-cream and there it is, a tub in each hand. you can't make out what flavour it is but you know it's going to be expensive (because that's the only type you can buy in railway stations). anyway, she's just got back to find that her boyfriend has given her seat to a stranger and she'll have to stand until at least watford... (i was as happy as a clam. i had anne tyler and a walkman full of swedish pop from thailand for company. and i could claim the whole thing as overtime at about 20 pence a minute...) um, wallace and grommit. you can now officially get anything in the whole world with wallace and grommit printed on it. no, really. (those shawn-shaped shoulder bags always make me smile) oh, and if the person from iceland still wants a copy of tigermilk then just mail me... andy andrew.dean at bull.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Sat Oct 4 13:34:30 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 13:34:30 +0100 (British Summer Time) Subject: Sinister: re: compo etc In-Reply-To: <0039600000256661000002L012*@MHS> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Andrew Dean wrote: > as anyone else realised that by putting 're: compo' as a > subject line and writing stuff in a certain way gets around > paul's restrictions on what is and isn't proper subject > matter for this list? 8) Damnable clever that one, Andy. Hmm. This one's of me, sitting reading the Sinister archives. I'm trying to decide if I should post yet another dull, dull tiny hint to people to stop talking about someone's Aunt in Leicester who knits tea-cosies and mention B&S. Nah only joking. List's great just now as far as I'm concerned - I want to marry you all and go and live on that farm of Peter's with the piglets. Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacques.buron at xxx.fr Sat Oct 4 15:53:45 1997 From: jacques.buron at xxx.fr (Stephane) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 14:53:45 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Gigs References: <0039600000256661000002L012*@MHS> Message-ID: <34365879.1FBA@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Sorry to disturb you, but I've just heard that B&S are said to play in Paris on November 10th. Who knows exactly where? Stephane PS: Who is this person from Iceland? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Sat Oct 4 10:10:35 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 10:10:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Pulp controversy References: <199710032131.WAA25035@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3436080B.F5867658@mail.zynet.co.uk> Andrew O'Sullivan wrote: > > Has anyone read the small print beneath the > lyrics for Pulp albums? It > says, > > "Please do not read the lyrics while listening > to this recording". Maybe > > that'd be a good idea for B&S...? and of course the Gang of 4 had this instruction on their records... a fine reference for anyone. duke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Fri Oct 3 17:00:29 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:00:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian at Peel Acres Message-ID: <01BCD01D.DB010F40@rainbow.qss.co.uk> I'm more partial to Oasis now than I ever was. I think it's because of the Flying V guitar in that video with all the helicopters. I see no reason why brickkies should or shouldn't make music, or musicians become brickies. Communists used to do that as punishment for excess grooviness. I also think it's OK to nick tunes. There are only so many ways to make the air vibrate. If you think up something "new" someone else will immediately copy it and run off with all the money. And where do you draw the line between "influenced by" and "ripping off"? It keeps lawyers in business, I suppose. [Keith Watson] Nothing really against brickies, it was more a way of getting across what I meant than singling out Bricklayers for non-music making duties. Again, it's not really the nicking tunes that's the irritating bit - it's a fact that they're crap as far as I can see and that they're all the same - the fact that Noel considers himself one of the worlds greatest ever songwriters and that shitloads of people are currently slapping him on the back and agreeing that rankles a little - I'm also a little sick of people with their arms around Paul Bloody Weller in the NME. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From dickon at xxx.uk Sat Oct 4 15:31:54 1997 From: dickon at xxx.uk (Dickon Edwards) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 15:31:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Separated at Birth? Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971004143154.0068d448@mail.easynet.co.uk> Well, I don't know about you, but for some reason I seem to find the following to be similar: 1: the opening vocal melody line to "Dog on Wheels" and that of Nancy Sinatra's "Summer Wine"? 2: the sleeve to "3,6,9..." and the image of Stuart M and Radio One DJ Jo Whiley er, frolicking on the beach? Or is it just me? I think we should be told :) dickon New Orlando album "Passive Soul" out on Blanco Y Negro Records 29.9.97 website: http://www.totalweb.co.uk/orlando/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Sat Oct 4 14:52:53 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 14:52:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: compo etc References: <0039600000256661000002L012*@MHS> Message-ID: <34364A35.33D210F@mail.zynet.co.uk> > um, wallace and grommit. you can now officially > get anything > in the whole world with wallace and grommit > printed on it. > no, really. (those shawn-shaped shoulder bags > always make me > smile) that's the ones that wave to you if you're walking behind them, yes? annoyingly cute. duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MWaggner at xxx.com Sat Oct 4 17:22:32 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: B&S in The New Yorker Message-ID: <971004122124_-1865397155@emout12.mail.aol.com> The September 29 issue of The New Yorker magazine has and article titled "DADROCK Revisiting the Sixties with Oasis and Radiohead" that echoes many topics that have been discussed on this list (which many probably don't want reopened). The B&S part is as follows: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MWaggner at xxx.com Sat Oct 4 17:33:55 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: oops -- hit the wrong button Message-ID: <971004123353_555875680@emout04.mail.aol.com> The New Yorker article reads, in (the B&S) part: ....... "To an American fan, the British music scene is a scary paradise. On the one hand, the record companies, the press and the audience all seem more open to unexpected sounds. There is not, as in the United States, a barrier between major and independent labels: the underground can see the light of day in an instant. Elite radio d.j.s, like John Peel, on the BBC, consult their own taste and ignore whatever sinister lottery generates the Top Forty. Lately, programmers and critics have helped make minor hits out of the delicately skewed ballads of Belle and Sebastian, the imposing soundscapes of Mogwai, and the Sonic Youth nostalgia of Placebo. On the othe hand, all this freespiritedness slides a little too easily into a nihilistic lust for novelty. Toread the British music press is to be bombarded by buzzwords for weeks-old styles pioneered by bands that have been around for a few months and will probably be gone in a year."... Article by Alex Ross It goes on to discuss the musical influences on Oasis, Radiohead and other bands. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From CH55808 at xxx.com Sat Oct 4 18:16:07 1997 From: CH55808 at xxx.com (CH55808 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 13:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: I'll get this right soon ! Message-ID: <971004131431_1530947792@emout07.mail.aol.com> Boo to the Business World ! is really at http://members.aol.com:/CH55808/sebastian/index.htm sorry fof being stupid ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Sun Oct 5 12:12:35 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 13:12:35 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Separated at Birth? References: <1.5.4.32.19971004143154.0068d448@mail.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <34377622.35567983@colon.net.> Dickon Edwards wrote: > Well, I don't know about you, but for some reason I seem > to find the > following to be similar: > > 1: the opening vocal melody line to "Dog on Wheels" and > that of Nancy > Sinatra's "Summer Wine"? > > 2: the sleeve to "3,6,9..." and the image of Stuart M and > Radio One DJ Jo > Whiley er, frolicking on the beach? > > Or is it just me? I think we should be told :) > > dickon > > Thank you. I knew it sounded like something, but I couldn't quite place it. Which may well be the trick for nicking tunes...hmmm, sounds familiar, what is it?As far as Oasis go, my "wife" came up with a very good explanation of the theory of relativity using the Oasis brothers...one of them's travelling at the speed of light, while the other one's playing guitar....still don't understand the theory of relativity, but it gave me a laugh. I don't know what Jo Whiley looks like, but it's got to be better than frolicking on the beach with Dave Lee Travis. Andy mentioned Ann Tyler, presumably not Liv Tyler's mum. Can I abuse the list by asking for some literary advice (in private, so as not to annoy anyone)? Those nice people at Penguin Books have just sent their mail order spectacular, giving me something else to think about. Has anybody read any of the following. Are they any good? Are they suitable for B&S fans? (obligatory reference) Every Man for Himself - Beryl Bainbridge Quite Ugly One Morning - Christopher Brookmyre Earthly Possessions - Ann Tyler Ecstasy - Irvine Welsh The Scent of Dried Roses - Tim Lott and last but not least...The Rough Guide to European Football Any help and advice gladly received. And sorry for being off topic. Forgive me Father, for I have digressed. Thanks, Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Hintzm at xxx.uk Sun Oct 5 13:52:12 1997 From: Hintzm at xxx.uk (Hintzm) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:52:12 GMT Subject: Sinister: compo Message-ID: <269DE0D212E@regents.ac.uk> Well, this is a very late entry. Anyway... Here I am on my bed last weekend when I was sick. The bottom half of my bed is in front of the window. I put my pillow down there in the mornings when the suns comes in. I pretend it's a daybed. Behind me you can see the fern in the windowsill and a bit of the lawn of the courtyard. My hair is a bit messed up, but that's because I took my shower at 3.30 am. when I couldn't sleep. I have on my wool sweater. I usually can't wear it because it's too warm, but today when I had it on I still had chills. Oh, I have a scarf on too, but that is because I wanted to wear it than having any medical reason. My eyes are closed--I must have just dozed off to sleep. The book next to me is _To the Lighthouse_. Unfortunately I still had to do schoolwork whilst ill. Yeah, some parts of the photo seemed a bit washed out, but as I said that's because the sun was very bright and strong that morning. Although you can't see it, on my desk I had my walkman and the tinny-sounding speakers set up. I was listening to the cassette my father made me--classical music. It somehow seemed proper to listen to it then. If this photo had been taken later in the day, the same exact scene would have been set up, except, perhaps, at night. The window panes would have reflected the flash so parts would still be washed out. Some things are unavoidable. Cheers, Matthew ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacques.buron at xxx.fr Sun Oct 5 15:09:33 1997 From: jacques.buron at xxx.fr (Stephane) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 14:09:33 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Separated at Birth? References: <1.5.4.32.19971004143154.0068d448@mail.easynet.co.uk> <34377622.35567983@colon.net.> Message-ID: <34379F9D.6915@smtp.wanadoo.fr> > Can I abuse the list by asking for some literary advice (in > private, so as not to annoy anyone)? No! I mean, not in private : I'm interested in literary advice, too!!! > Those nice people at Penguin Books have just sent their mail > order spectacular, giving me something else to think about. > Has anybody read any of the following. Are they any good? > Are they suitable for B&S fans? (obligatory reference) > > Every Man for Himself - Beryl Bainbridge > Quite Ugly One Morning - Christopher Brookmyre > Earthly Possessions - Ann Tyler > Ecstasy - Irvine Welsh > The Scent of Dried Roses - Tim Lott > and last but not least...The Rough Guide to European > Football Steph ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bsp01e at xxx.uk Sun Oct 5 22:25:58 1997 From: bsp01e at xxx.uk (william philip bowen#]) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:25:58 PDT Subject: Sinister: Re: New Artist Message-ID: Has anybody heard of Simon Warner - new CD "Waiting Rooms (or how Simon Warner was delayed and his wardrobe suffered for it)" Lush tunes and production, but I am unsure as to his voice! - a gravelly Scott Walker perhaps! Any help please! Philip ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bsp01e at xxx.uk Sun Oct 5 22:28:08 1997 From: bsp01e at xxx.uk (william philip bowen#]) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:28:08 PDT Subject: Sinister: Separated at Birth? Message-ID: Not sure about the below list, but an atmospheric book is "Miss Smilla's Feelings for Snow" - which is shortly to be made into a film - and I cannot remember the author's name! Also, has anybody heard of Waldo Williams? Philip > Can I abuse the list by asking for some literary advice (in > private, so as not to annoy anyone)? > Those nice people at Penguin Books have just sent their mail > order spectacular, giving me something else to think about. > Has anybody read any of the following. Are they any good? > Are they suitable for B&S fans? (obligatory reference) > > Every Man for Himself - Beryl Bainbridge > Quite Ugly One Morning - Christopher Brookmyre > Earthly Possessions - Ann Tyler > Ecstasy - Irvine Welsh > The Scent of Dried Roses - Tim Lott > and last but not least...The Rough Guide to European > Football > > Any help and advice gladly received. And sorry for being off > topic. Forgive me Father, for I have digressed. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From CH55808 at xxx.com Sun Oct 5 15:02:34 1997 From: CH55808 at xxx.com (CH55808 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Move and Scans Message-ID: <971005100233_-1496856085@emout17.mail.aol.com> Boo to the Business World ! has now moved to : http://members.aol.com:/CH55808/sebastian/index.htm Please type CH55808 in capitals and 'sebastian/index.htm' in lower case as the server is case sensitive. Probably best to cut and paste from here or go straight from here and bookmark. Also can anyone sort me out with a scan of the 3.6.9 CD cover for the page. If so please contact me on CH55808 at aol.com - thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ua6jm at xxx.uk Sun Oct 5 17:22:02 1997 From: ua6jm at xxx.uk (ua6jm) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 17:22:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: compo In-Reply-To: <971005100233_-1496856085@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Here's my attempt at an Ink Polaroid, plus my intial unlurk from the list. This one's my favourite. It's from around seven years ago, when my dad took myself and my sister up to the dams in the country. It was just after my dad and mum had split up, towards the end of the summer. The year before, my dad had taken a nervous breakdown and had mellowed out, learned to show his feelings a bit more. Trouble is, he showed his feelings to another woman as well. The dams are always one of my favourite places. They're right on the boundary between the country and the city, and they're right beside the wee town I used to go to to play tennis with my uncle, even though I had to borrow a racquet because I couldn't afford my own. It wasn't really a town, more like a scheme that happened to be outside the city limits. My dad told me the dams supplied water to thousands of people in the city, and they'd been built a hundred years ago and still remained intact. You can see me in the background, sitting on the edge of a large pool of water. There's a small waterfall running into the pool. My dad and my sister are in front of me, staring into the camera, squinting cause of the sun. I'm wearing my red and white striped polo top, which I got for my 11th birthday from my mum. There's car in the background too, speeding past on the small road. I started the big school that year, stopped reading Smash Hits and started reading Melody Maker and NME. I had my first instance of true love that year, but nothing happened. My dad wasn't as bald then as he is now. I like him more now than I did then. My mum's not in the picture, which is sad. It was a really nice sunny day. Jonathan Mackie ua6jm at abdn.ac.uk ***************************** * 8-00pm, OCTOBER 8TH, BBC2 * ***************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Sun Oct 5 17:43:18 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 18:43:18 +0200 Subject: Sinister: B'n'S Multi-Media Extravaganza Message-ID: <3437C3A6.63AE9CB7@colon.net.> Klas asked for a review of the new EP, so here's a fully clickable one. I don't know if anyone will find it useful or not. It was meant to be even more fully clickable but I got fed up with the damn computer getting disconnected or whatever it is that happens every five minutes or so on the information superhighway. A Century of Fakers: Elegy in a vintage keyboard shop. Tales of impossible love and falling off one's bike on the way to see one's bird. Quite sad, quite pretty. Vaguely reminiscent of O Caroline by Robert Wyatt or Soft Machine or Matching Mole, not sure which. http://www.furious.com/perfect/wyatt.html is a nice interview with the aforementioned hairy old hippy. Nothing to do with B&S, at least not directly. A good read, nevertheless. Le Pastie de la Bourgoisie Up tempo number. Mentions Judy Blume. Who? http://www.judyblume.com/home.html Contains some good advice for writers. There are a lot of them on this list, whether they know it or not, judging by the compo entries. And I mean that most shincerely, folks... Beautiful Starts off quiet. Later on all the instruments come in. It's very effective. The lyrics intersect the universal. Some striking images of suffering and solidarity. Am I getting carried away? Probably, but I think this is one of B&S's best songs. Shows great restraint and control. A bit like Wonderful by the Beach Boys. But not much. Put the Book Back on the Shelf The return of Sebastian. Wrote a book about himself, but everyone left it on the shelf. Should take it to the library in Richard Brautigan's book The Abortion, which is quite a nice book, although not as good as So The Wind Won't Blow It All Away, which is about a boy who buys bullets instead of a hamburger. The song mentions comic genius Sid James, and seems to give him supernatural powers. Not as strange as it may sound. He breathed life into characters such as Henry VIII and the Rumpo Kid. Here is a nice tribute to the great man, well worth reading in my opinion. http://www.adavids.demon.co.uk/carry/sidtribute.html This one will probably have lots of books on shelves: http://www.bne.es/ It's the Spanish National Library, whatever that is. Songs for Children (?) "Hidden" bonus track, quite an effective ending to the EP. Sounds distant and lost. There, I didn't use the word "fantastic" once. Isn't it a boring Sunday? I almost wish I could watch Songs of Praise and Antiques Roadshow. Instead I'm listening to that Mick Harvey album of Gainsbourg songs, waiting impatiently for the next one. A question: Is "Popcorn" by Hot Butter the music that they used to use for trampolining programmes on the telly? I trust that one of our older viewers will know what the bloody hell I'm on about. No answer to that Paris question yet? I'm seriously considering slinging a string of onions around my neck and pedalling up to gay Paree for that one. Those new t-shirt designs are really nice. Who did the picture? It's the World Cycling Championships this week. I'm hoping to infiltrate the pits area and sellotape a few lolly sticks to the competitors' spokes, so that they sound like motorbikes. Look out for me on the telly. I'm going to wear my lunatic playgroup leader B&S t-shirt. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From g.gregorini at xxx.it Sun Oct 5 20:00:03 1997 From: g.gregorini at xxx.it (Giuseppe Gregorini) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:00:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister:Separated at birth? Message-ID: <199710051759.TAA18490@bologna.nettuno.it> Peter wrote: >Can I abuse the list by asking for some literary advice (in >private, so as not to annoy anyone)? and, luckily, Stephane answered: >No! I mean, not in private : I'm interested in literary advice, too!!! So, in my first posting to the list, I can wet my pants rambling through my tastes (risking the immediate ejection). I believe everything JD Salinger wrote should be a delight for any B&S amateur. Not so B&S, but worth a journey: R.Carver & R.Ford. My last crush: Didier Daeninckx - "Le facteur fatal" ( I read it in Italian, so I don't know the English title). My last shock: Jim Thompson - "The killer inside me" ( it's hard to find yourself sympathizing with a cold blood murderer with not a hint of noble reason in his behaviour). P.Auster: I can't say he's so related with B&S, but his first movie (Smoke) has something to do with Hal Hartley (transitive law:-). OK. That's all. Bye Giuseppe ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Sun Oct 5 21:37:33 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 21:37:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: review References: <3437C3A6.63AE9CB7@colon.net.> Message-ID: <3437FA8C.ABC686F7@mail.zynet.co.uk> i thought i just posted a message about tbis, with review atached, but it seems to have dissappeared... so this just a quickie to say that i've just posted a 'review' of the new ep to the Tangents site... check it out through the link below if you want. sorry if it's a bit long winded. it's been a hard weekend... the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Sun Oct 5 22:05:15 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 22:05:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Compo now closed. Message-ID: <3438010A.3184E613@virgin.net> Well, it's late in the day and I won't get round to posting this tomorrow. What will happen now is that myself, Paul, Duke and Andy will do something along the lines of: create a text file containing all the entries and mail addresses, post it to each other, giggle at a few of the entries, post each other some more, whittle it down to about 6 entries, argue over a winner, notify the list and re-mail the winning entry to the list. The winner will also be notified privately. Note though, that I havn't given a time frame for all of this! We'll get started and hope to finish it soon, I'll even post a copy of the entries to Belle and Sebastian to read,, this way they can nominate one of the six finalists. Cool? David Kitchen Already very busy creating a mail-out for all of you, and now much busier! -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MNOL1 at xxx.au Mon Oct 6 23:50:15 1997 From: MNOL1 at xxx.au (MNOL1) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 15:50:15 -0700 Subject: Sinister: belle & sebastian Message-ID: <01IOHPYW74EC987RGM@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> For all Belle & Sebastian lovers, This is my first ever letter to this list, so if you dont read it I will be very unhappy. A BIT ABOUT MYSELF - I am a university student in Melbourne, Australia studying English (fiction writing and children's literature) and Psychology. HOW I HEARD ABOUT B & S - Whilst reading an English music magazine in January I saw a review of Sinister and liked the description of the music and the name of the band. About 6 months later I was looking through the 'B' section of a music import store and stumbled upon the album, even though I had never heard any B & S I had an impulse to buy it, so I did, fell in love on the first listen and have no desire to scale down the relationship. FAVOURITE SONGS are "Seeing Other People", "Fox in the Snow" and "Belle and Sebastian". What I really love about B & S is the atmosphere of the music and the imagery that goes along with it. When I listen to the songs they mean something, they can live on their own, and they have a specific voice - or feeling - or an atmosphere. I think of relationships, life, country. I think of young, deep, dreaming, sad, happy. I picture the songs in my mind and they seem so there, and real and alive. I dont know if I explained that very well but that is why i like B & S. Other music I like includes Saint Etienne, Suede, Smiths, Sinead O'Connor, Nick Cave, Pulp, Placebo, Tricky and (at the risk of being struck off the list), I love BiS. PROFILE OF B & S IN AUSTRALIA is practically nil. I have never heard any of their music anywhere - on TV or radio. I have never seen a print article, except for one good review of Dog on Wheels in a small alternative magazine. However, IYFSinister is just now appearing in shops after being given a local release and hopefully all this will change. But Australia being Australia I am not expecting enough exposure to prompt a tour. I have been reading the mail on this list for a couple of weeks now and enjoying it immensely. This site is the only way I can keep up to date with what is happening in B & S world. ************************************************************************* * * FINALLY (hoping that youve read this far) I wish to make a plea. * * please please please please please please please please please, * * could someone dub me a copy of TIGERMILK? I will send a tape and * a stamped return envelope and a dub of any music I have which you may * want. * * please please please please please please please please please * ************************************************************************* I know everyone must be sick of this request every time someone new subscribes but I am desperate and will do anything. Thank-you for listening to me rave. Please feel free to contact me at the following address for any reason; mnol at student.monash.edu.au Marcus ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfuchs at xxx.ie Mon Oct 6 09:26:16 1997 From: sfuchs at xxx.ie (Sven Fuchs) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:26:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: belle & sebastian neighbours Message-ID: <199710060826.JAA04974@bremen.nmrc.ucc.ie> There is nothing wrong with BIS. They are neighbours of B&S. Or so they said in their last Melody Maker interview! - okay, it's getting a bit anorakish now! sorry! - Sven ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From paulf at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 10:09:41 1997 From: paulf at xxx.uk (Paul Forsyth) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 10:09:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hearing other music Message-ID: <3438AAD5.8DD13C6E@scs.leeds.ac.uk> Hi, Recently there has been a lot of talk about the other bands people listen to, apart from B&S. Much as I would like to hear all of these bands it would be very hard for me to find all the music talked about, to spend the time and even harder to listen to all the albums, singles, sessions... except if you are John Peel of course! A few messages ago a lady talked about electronic samples that were emailed to her. I am wondering whether these were samples of the bands that are being talked about, as I think this is a brilliant way of letting each other listen to the music they like. Rather than going out to shops and scouring for the album, buying it, and listening to it 10 times before liking it, hearing a sample of a brill song is a great way of introducing the band to a newbie. If the samples talked about before were like this then I would love to hear some (or a lot!). Cheers Paul ____________________________________ / \ Paul Forsyth / E: paulf at scs.leeds.ac.uk \ Computer Science { W: http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/paulf/ } University Of Leeds \ P: +44-113-233-6789 / Leeds LS2 9JT \____________________________________/ United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From paulf at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 10:14:55 1997 From: paulf at xxx.uk (Paul Forsyth) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 10:14:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S Sinister name Message-ID: <3438AC0F.1AEA71AB@scs.leeds.ac.uk> Hi, Since I've just posted a non-B&S related mail, heres something more relevant... This is a question that doesn't really mean much and doesn't really have to. I'm only curious because of a debate going on in a fav comic of mine. When the new B&S album comes out will this mailing list keep the same name? The comic? 2000AD. Will it change in a few years, what to, does it need to? Does this question really need to be answered? B.T.W does anyone know anything about the upcoming B&S gigs in Manchester around December? Please! C ya Paul ____________________________________ / \ Paul Forsyth / E: paulf at scs.leeds.ac.uk \ Computer Science { W: http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/paulf/ } University Of Leeds \ P: +44-113-233-6789 / Leeds LS2 9JT \____________________________________/ United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From wow at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 11:27:39 1997 From: wow at xxx.uk (totv) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 10:27:39 -0000 Subject: Sinister: what does it all mean? Message-ID: <876129655.1414514.0@totv.demon.co.uk> > sinister at majordomo.net Because of the beauty of their Chicken and Leek Pie, and I can't really imagine buying socks anywhere else, I just thought I'd let you know that you can use Switch in M & S but not credit cards. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Mon Oct 6 10:48:32 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 11:48:32 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz Message-ID: <3438B3F0.DE59FF2E@colon.net.> Here's a brain teaser: At last count there were eight members of Belle and Sebastian. Can you match each member with their favourite food from the list below? 1: Halal chicken, unpeeld potatoes and broccolli. Fish on Fridays 2: Alphabetti Spaghetti 3: Magic mushrooms and powdered rhino horn 4: Spangles, Jaffa Cakes and Monster Munch 5: Exotic fruit and rice pudding 6: A cup o' tea and a slice o' cake 7: Anything advertised by Bernard Cribbins 8: Trumpet-shaped turnips. Answers on a postcard, please. Well, we need something to do now that the Ink Polaroids contest is all over bar the shouting. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Mon Oct 6 11:09:33 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 12:09:33 +0200 Subject: Sinister: what does it all mean? References: <876129655.1414514.0@totv.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <3438B8DD.11CA78A2@colon.net.> totv wrote: > > sinister at majordomo.net > > Because of the beauty of their Chicken and Leek Pie, and I > can't really > imagine buying socks anywhere else, I just thought I'd let > you know that > you can use Switch in M & S but not credit cards. My apologies to M&S. In my day they wouldn't accept Switch. As if to underline the monumental importance of M&S in British culture, my mother is coming to visit soon (HELP!!), so she very kindly asked if I wanted anything from M&S. In a rare display of diplomacy I said "Yes, mum. Those nice shirts that you don't have to iron and make you look like the Oasis brothers if you're careful not to smile." Actually, I skipped the bit about Oasis. Don't want to freak the old girl out too much. M&S are about to open several new stores in Germany. They recently got into trouble with a smarty pants art expert for printing a Botticelli painting the wrong way round. The expert said that Botty (as his friends call him) would have been furious. I bet he bloody wouldn't, especially if they offered him a sizeable discount in the food hall (easily the best bit of M&S). They've also just banned eggs manufactured by battery hens, which is very nice of them. What would we do without marks and Spencers? Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Mon Oct 6 11:11:54 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:11:54 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: B&S Sinister name In-Reply-To: <3438AC0F.1AEA71AB@scs.leeds.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Paul Forsyth wrote: > When the new B&S album comes out will this mailing list keep the same > name? Hmm. What we'll do Paul is have a vote, agree to change it, and then I will get all grumpy and refuse to do it. I think life's a bit short for all that but it's a nice idea. But I like the name. If anyone has any access problems with my WWW site (the one below) could they tell me? It's a bit hard to know internally and I run it from a workstation on my disk that I've changed around a bit, so it would be useful to know if there are any problems. Paul (the other one) mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d91-cni at xxx.se Mon Oct 6 11:15:32 1997 From: d91-cni at xxx.se (Christer Nilsson) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 12:15:32 +0200 Subject: Sinister: b & s line-up Message-ID: <3438BA44.394C975@nada.kth.se> howdy, can someone describe the line-up when belle and sebastian are playing live? -christer ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 11:23:58 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:23:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B'n'S Multi-Media Extravaganza Message-ID: <01BCD24A.57F9C1D0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> A question: Is "Popcorn" by Hot Butter the music that they used to use for trampolining programmes on the telly? I trust that one of our older viewers will know what the bloody hell I'm on about. [Keith Watson] I couldn't say for sure, it's a top tune though, they used to use it on top of the BBC test card when I was young... On the same lines though - last week I was watching the Ryder cup and thinking how old the golfing theme tune was, I then started wondering just how old it was and how it's quite cute how the Beeb never gets any new tunes which identifies programs pretty well. However it suddenly struck me that there's the stonking double bass drum thing going on in the background and I realised it's an "I'm the leader of the gang" Gary Glitter thing - cool period drums, listen and have a laugh the next time you see the golf on the telly. Cheers, Keith. --- Can we have an award as well for people who move *furthest* away from subject of B+S ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Mon Oct 6 07:50:41 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 23:50:41 -0700 Subject: Sinister: judy blume Message-ID: <343889B6.3AC6@earthlink.net> hey. i deleted the message i'm responding to before i had a chance to hit the "re:" button. to that guy who said something about judy blume in his review of "pastie de whatever".... judy blume is some writer who's written some books that are quite popular amongst pre teen girls here in the states. i remember one is called "are you there god, it's me margaret" and i think she also wrote "tales of a fourth grade nothing" and "superfudge" (i got read that book every year from kindergarten to fourth grade by my various teachers) i wouldn't say she's a high literary figure so if she gets mentioned in the song, it's probably in jest. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 13:09:59 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:09:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: More by Jo Whiley. Message-ID: <199710061209.NAA02193@brookes.ac.uk> Greetings. Just been passing my time at work by reading Musicweek, and there is an article about how Jo Whiley became a DJ, and she then says these true words... "I've had so many people tell me that hearing Belle and Sebastian or Symposium, while they're at work has helped them keep sane. I think that's brilliant." I'm liking Jo more and more !! Ben. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeepster.uk at xxx.net Mon Oct 6 13:20:21 1997 From: jeepster.uk at xxx.net (Katrina House) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 13:20:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz References: <3438B3F0.DE59FF2E@colon.net.> Message-ID: <3438D785.50AF@virgin.net> oc245d8aff at colon.net wrote: > > Here's a brain teaser: > > At last count there were eight members of Belle and > Sebastian. > Can you match each member with their favourite food from the > list below? > > 1: Halal chicken, unpeeld potatoes and broccolli. Fish on > Fridays Stuart D. > 2: Alphabetti Spaghetti Richard > 3: Magic mushrooms and powdered rhino horn Chris > 4: Spangles, Jaffa Cakes and Monster Munch Sarah > 5: Exotic fruit and rice pudding Isobel > 6: A cup o' tea and a slice o' cake Stuart M > 7: Anything advertised by Bernard Cribbins Stevie > 8: Trumpet-shaped turnips. Mick How'd I do? Katrina - bored at work :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Mon Oct 6 13:39:25 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Eeyore) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 14:39:25 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Pulp controversy Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971006123925.00670dc4@student.let.uva.nl> Hey Duke, It was actually me who wrote: >> > Has anyone read the small print beneath the >> lyrics for Pulp albums? It >> says, >> > "Please do not read the lyrics while listening >> to this recording". Maybe >> > that'd be a good idea for B&S...? Not that it really matters....just dying of boredom here. Bye.. Ninette >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 14:24:50 1997 From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?stephen_trouss=E9?=) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:24:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Bathers Etc. Message-ID: <199710061324.OAA01789@orange.easynet.co.uk> I was browsing in Virgin the other day, and I came across three records by the Bathers. One of the records was called Kelvingrove Baby, and I seem to remember they were on the bill of the B&S show in Glasgow earlier this year. Are they any good? They're on Marina, who I think did that tribute to Postcard a while back, which is probably a good sign. I need advice because my bank account dictates that I can't be quite as cavalier in my record purchasing as I would like! On a literary tip, I remember reading in an interview in Select that Stuart was heavily influenced by the work of CS Lewis, the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe guy. Though I'm damned if I can see any evidence. Some of the songs remind me of the short stories of Lorrie Moore, however. Finally: Hal Hartley. I remember when The Unbelievable Truth came out in the mid-eighties, Hartley was saying that he was trying to do in cinema what the Smiths and other English indie bands were doing in music. So with his influence on B&S, the debt seems to have come full circle. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Mon Oct 6 14:06:55 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:06:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: More by Jo Whiley. Message-ID: <01BCD261.1BA83380@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Ben Ferneyhough wrote: >Greetings. Just been passing my time at work by reading Musicweek, and there is an article about how Jo Whiley became a DJ, and she then says these true words... "I've had so many people tell me that hearing Belle and Sebastian or Symposium, while they're at work has helped them keep sane. I think that's brilliant." I'm liking Jo more and more !! The Symposium bit is a joke, right? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Angelina.DeGiovanni at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 15:28:44 1997 From: Angelina.DeGiovanni at xxx.com (Angelina.DeGiovanni at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:28:44 -0400 Subject: Sinister: what does it all mean? Message-ID: <85256528.004F64E8.00@v2music.com> On another serge and b&s note: they played serge (comic strip - I think) between the pastels and b&s at their 2nd new york show! (Embedded image moved mitchell @ ph.ed.ac.uk to file: 10/04/97 06:14 AM PIC29817.PCX) Please respond to psm at Majordomo.net To: sinister at majordomo.net cc: (bcc: Angelina DeGiovanni/New_York/V2 Music) Subject: Re: Sinister: what does it all mean? On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, jj heldmann wrote: > um, lessee, how to make this b&s related...oh yes! > my mom was visiting me this morning and i played 'sinister' for her and > she liked it (also played her francoise hardy and serge gainsbourg and now > i think i have to make her a tape) :) Nifty footwork AND a mention of Serge - full marks. Mick Harvey (Bad Seed) is releasing "Pink Elephants", a 16-track follow-up to his wonderful Gainsbourg covers LP in November. Includes Nick Cave and Anita Lane's "Je T'Aime Moi Non Plus". Stop. Belle and Sebastian. Stop. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . 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This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From qhsmich at xxx.se Mon Oct 6 15:17:03 1997 From: qhsmich at xxx.se (Micheál O'Dwyer) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 16:17:03 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Miss Smilla's Feeling for Snow Message-ID: <3438F2DF.7534@aom.ericsson.se> That book was written by Peter Hoeg. I haven't seen the movie, but I know it has already been made - it had a pretty limited release earlier in the year (definitely in the States and I'm almost certain I saw it advertised here in Sweden - I know that Gabriel Byrne is either in it or produced/directed it ). Mick (apologies if this question was answered already - I'm on the digest er...and apologies to whoever the digest owner is too for sending this there first) sinister-digest wrote: > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:28:08 PDT > From: "william philip bowen#]" > Subject: Re: Sinister: Separated at Birth? > > Not sure about the below list, but an atmospheric book is "Miss Smilla's Feelings > for Snow" - which is shortly to be made into a film - and I cannot remember the > author's name! > Also, has anybody heard of Waldo Williams? > Philip ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Mon Oct 6 16:23:43 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:23:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V1 #31 (fwd) Message-ID: Forwarded message from Michael. Replies from either the main or digests lists go to the sender by default, so some readdressing is needed! Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 16:14:58 +0200 From: Miche�l O'Dwyer To: owner-sinister-digest at majordomo.net Subject: Re: sinister-digest V1 #31 That book was written by Peter Hoeg. I haven't seen the movie, but I know it has already been made - it had a pretty limited release earlier in the year (definitely in the States and I'm almost certain I saw it advertised here in Sweden - I know that Gabriel Byrne is either in it or produced/directed it ). Mick (apologies if this question was answered already - I'm on the digest) sinister-digest wrote: > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:28:08 PDT > From: "william philip bowen#]" > Subject: Re: Sinister: Separated at Birth? > > Not sure about the below list, but an atmospheric book is "Miss Smilla's Feelings > for Snow" - which is shortly to be made into a film - and I cannot remember the > author's name! > Also, has anybody heard of Waldo Williams? > Philip ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 14:31:16 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:31:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz Message-ID: <01BCD264.81ABBE10@rainbow.qss.co.uk> How'd I do? Katrina - bored at work :) [Keith Watson] Join the club! It's looking to quite a few people that the B+S mailing list is a "bored at work" club... It certainly brightens up my day - replaces Steve Wright in the Afternoon as a source of entertainment, so a big shout to anyone out there who's BORED AT WORK! Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 16:34:41 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:34:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: More by Jo Whiley. Message-ID: <01BCD275.BF728010@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Ben Ferneyhough wrote: >Greetings. Just been passing my time at work by reading Musicweek, and there is an article about how Jo Whiley became a DJ, and she then says these true words... "I've had so many people tell me that hearing Belle and Sebastian or Symposium, while they're at work has helped them keep sane. I think that's brilliant." I'm liking Jo more and more !! The Symposium bit is a joke, right? [Keith Watson] Aye - it does put a bit of a downer on it doesn't it... Symposium are severely pish - every few years or so, there's a new band that are proclaimed the greatest band in the universe, just cause they play a bit like the Undertones and shitloads of kids jump up and down and mosh at their concerts. Symposium would say can happily be filed under Ned's Atomic Dustbin (1997 model). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stip at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 16:07:18 1997 From: Stip at xxx.uk (Stip / Blue Music) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:07:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: what does it all mean? In-Reply-To: <85256528.004F64E8.00@v2music.com> Message-ID: And speaking of Serge, am I right in thinking that various B&S members were recently involved in a couple of evenings in tribute to the good man Gainsbourg earlier this year? If my somewhat dubious memory serves me right, they played in Glasgow and Stirling with other BMX Bandits, Pearlfishers, etc. In message <85256528.004F64E8.00 at v2music.com>, Angelina.DeGiovanni at v2mus ic.com writes > > >On another serge and b&s note: they played serge (comic strip - I think) >between the pastels and b&s at their 2nd new york show! > > > > (Embedded > image moved mitchell @ ph.ed.ac.uk > to file: 10/04/97 06:14 AM > PIC29817.PCX) > > > > >Please respond to psm at Majordomo.net > >To: sinister at majordomo.net >cc: (bcc: Angelina DeGiovanni/New_York/V2 Music) >Subject: Re: Sinister: what does it all mean? > > > > > > >On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, jj heldmann wrote: > > >> um, lessee, how to make this b&s related...oh yes! >> my mom was visiting me this morning and i played 'sinister' for her and >> she liked it (also played her francoise hardy and serge gainsbourg and >now > i think i have to make her a tape) :) > >Nifty footwork AND a mention of Serge - full marks. Mick Harvey (Bad >Seed) is releasing "Pink Elephants", a 16-track follow-up to his wonderful >Gainsbourg covers LP in November. Includes Nick Cave and Anita Lane's "Je >T'Aime Moi Non Plus". Stop. Belle and Sebastian. Stop. > >Paul > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >(uuencoded file PIC29817.PCX follows) > >[ A UUEncoded file (PIC29817.PCX) was included here. ] > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stip at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 17:16:48 1997 From: Stip at xxx.uk (Stip / Blue Music) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:16:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz In-Reply-To: <01BCD264.81ABBE10@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: > >Katrina - bored at work :) > > >[Keith Watson] >Join the club! It's looking to quite a few people that the B+S mailing list is a >"bored at work" club... It certainly brightens up my day - replaces Steve Wright >in the Afternoon as a source of entertainment, so a big shout to anyone out >there who's BORED AT WORK! > ...And yet another closet sciver emerges from the closet - when feeling particularly lacklustre in the office, and when there are no B&S messages to while away the hours, I have a beachball which provides me with infinite entertainment. Sadly I don't have a basketball net, or a beach for that matter, but I can now do about 40 keepie-uppies. Anyone who fancies a game is more than welcome to join me. As long as you're not better than me... Cheers, Nicola -- Nicola M Stip / Blue Music www.stip.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Mon Oct 6 19:53:26 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:53:26 +0200 Subject: Sinister: The Bathers Etc. References: <199710061324.OAA01789@orange.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <343933A6.C3720934@colon.net.> stephen troussé wrote: > On a literary tip, I remember reading in an interview in > Select that Stuart > was heavily influenced by the work of CS Lewis, the Lion, > the Witch and the > Wardrobe guy. Though I'm damned if I can see any evidence. > Some of the > songs remind me of the short stories of Lorrie Moore, > however. > Perhaps it's got more to do with his religious stuff, rather than the Nania books. Though I'm damned if I can see any evidence of that either. Probably because I haven't read them. I think he wrote stuff about medieval literature too. As I am a bit bored, I may go and look for medieval influences in the illuminated texts of Mister Murdoch. There's all that stuff about randy clergy, that's very medieval. Electronic Renaissance. The renaissance came after the middle ages. But it wasn't electronic. You had to make your own entertainment in those days. Hence the shorter life expectancy. The picture on the back of If You're Feeling Sinister looks like a photo of the last supper. Except Saint Stuart is sitting on the floor playing with his lego. Did anyone read that Sid James stuff? Spooky, eh? Peter What's this Poetry Place thing, if you don't mind me asking. I'm paying a lot of attention to e-mail adresses these days. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Mon Oct 6 19:38:45 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:38:45 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz References: <01BCD264.81ABBE10@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <34393035.D06FFB99@colon.net.> Keith Watson wrote: > How'd I do? > > Katrina - bored at work :) > > [Keith Watson] > Join the club! It's looking to quite a few people that the > B+S mailing list is a "bored at work" club... It certainly > brightens up my day - replaces Steve Wright in the > Afternoon as a source of entertainment, so a big shout to > anyone out there who's BORED AT WORK! > > Cheers, > Keith. > > It brightens my day too, quite good therapy.Certainly better than Steve Wright, although it's a shame we don't get to hear his sarcastic comments about Belle and Sebastian. I clearly remember them all taking the piss out of Denim, obviously totally dumbfounded by it. My brother's a bit like that, laughs at everything he doesn't understand (which is most things). The Popcorn question was prompted by a Cd of seventies goodies, including Candlewick Green, that I saw the other day. Might well snap it up. Good for the soul. Apart from being a bored at work club, the list also serves as a coming to terms with growing up in the seventies club. There was a great German documentary about the seventies on TV a while back. Great stuff, Mud on TOTP dancing with a load of fans on stage, all doing that hands on your hips dance, as featured in the Pulp video for Common People, combined with some very heavy stuff about German terrorists. That's neat, that's neat, that's neat, that's neat...... Peter who used to go to school with the son of Malcolm "Duke" Allured (of Showaddywaddy fame)'s son, who was a real new romantic, used to take a huge ghetto blaster to school and listen to Duran Duran doing his homework. He later starred in a Channel Four documentary called "The Sex Hunters" about a group of campsite disco bouncers who tried to get off with all the girls. They kept score with a little Scalextric track. Did anybody see it? Is our Duke related to this Duke? He owns two or three crap pubs and North West Leicestershire's finest rural discotheque. Aaah, great days, great days. Best forgotten, I think. At that time Stephen Duffy was called Tintin, and everybody loved him. Belle and Sebastian have got as many members as Showaddywaddy, but no-one called Caesar Romeo. Have I got away with it? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Mon Oct 6 19:12:57 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:12:57 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz References: <3438B3F0.DE59FF2E@colon.net.> <3438D785.50AF@virgin.net> Message-ID: <34392A29.9DD192F5@colon.net.> Katrina House wrote: > oc245d8aff at colon.net wrote: > > > > Here's a brain teaser: > > > > At last count there were eight members of Belle and > > Sebastian. > > Can you match each member with their favourite food from > the > > list below? > > > > 1: Halal chicken, unpeeld potatoes and broccolli. Fish > on > > Fridays > > Stuart D. > > > 2: Alphabetti Spaghetti > > Richard > > > 3: Magic mushrooms and powdered rhino horn > > Chris > > > 4: Spangles, Jaffa Cakes and Monster Munch > > Sarah > > > 5: Exotic fruit and rice pudding > > Isobel > > > 6: A cup o' tea and a slice o' cake > > Stuart M > > > 7: Anything advertised by Bernard Cribbins > > Stevie > > > 8: Trumpet-shaped turnips. > > Mick > > How'd I do? > > Katrina - bored at work :) > Sorry Katrina, only one correct answer. And you'll get a thump from Sarah! Rumour has it she prefers Outer Spacers. On an entirely off topic point, I used to know the son of the man who invented Outer Spacers. He kept it very quiet, but a friend of mine went to work there and found out. They sacked him in the end (the inventor) which just goes to show.... How can you be bored at work? You work in a the thrilling cut and thrust record business, you might feature in a rockumentary one day. Rod Stewart could walk in at any moment. Alternatively, phone your mates on company time or play Donkey Kong. I'm a bit bored today as well, and I don't have the unfair disadvantage of a job as such. Spent the day wandering around and watching the traininng sessions for the world pushbike championships. The British team are sponsored by Carling Black Label, so don't expect much from them. Except in the time trial, where British hopes rest on the ample shoulders of comedian Stan Boardman, bronze medal in Atlanta. The gold medalist (Indurain) has retired and the silver medalist (Olano) has chickened out, so there's everything to win for the cheeky chappie from Liverpool. And before anyone accuses me of rabbiting on about issues entirely unrelated to Belle and Sebastian, cyclist are kind of stars of track and field and some of them are most definitely beautiful people, especially if you dig well-defined calf muscles and bulging thighs. So there you have it. Back to the quiz. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tanya101 at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 20:29:32 1997 From: Tanya101 at xxx.com (tanya) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 15:29:32 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Re:Bored at work/books Message-ID: <34393C0C.7EA8@n2k.com> Re: Bored at work - can we get a show of hands? Listening to B&S really does help me get through my stressfilled day... Wow- as I was typing, the woman who sits at the next desk walked over and said "Is this a CD?" (I'm listening to Sinister on my CD-rom) and I said yes, and she asked who it was, and I told her. She said, "You know I hum this on the train, and hear it in my sleep, you listen to it so much." I began to apologize for annoying her, and she said "No, I want you to tape it for me." Books: I like and recommend Fredrick Exley. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aeos at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 18:06:35 1997 From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:06:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Err.....new EP actually, quel surprise Message-ID: <199710061946.UAA03897@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> I'm surprised no-one's raised this point yet [Ha! Says he who will soon find he's missed ten screaming rants saying exactly the same thing.....], but it is my considered opinion that 3, 6, 9 Seconds Of Light EP *is not yet out*. If I'm wrong I'll be pissed off, both for making a prat of myself and missing the opportunity of getting it today - anyway, the bloke in Virgin said that they had *sold out of copies*, but seeing as it was still only 1.30, and let's face it, few people see B+S like they see Elton John, so I presumed that he was wrong. I phoned a smaller Indie-type shop, and they said that it had been *put back a week or so*. So have I missed an important announcement on the list, or what? Katrina - what the hell? To put it another way, has anyone else actually got a copy which they purchased in a shop today? * * * * * Andrew O'Sullivan aeos at dial.pipex.com http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan "You've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation to the sequel of your life." * * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 20:52:43 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:52:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: oh, grow up :) References: <01BCD264.81ABBE10@rainbow.qss.co.uk> <34393035.D06FFB99@colon.net.> Message-ID: <3439418A.FB6767E2@mcmail.com> > Apart from being a bored at work club, the list also serves > as a coming to terms with growing up in the seventies club. Yes yes, but do please recognise your 'Growing Up In The Eighties' subcontingent... shed a tear for those of us who: (a) lived thru New Romantic without being able to remember it (b) were born in a bad hair *decade* (c) lived our entire lives until this year under the Tories (d) are less than half the age of a large proportion of our favourite records ;-) Kate [bored in her own home, ta] xxx "love is...being able to go to the library with someone else" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From KELSO at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 22:13:26 1997 From: KELSO at xxx.com (Kelso) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:13:26 -0400 Subject: Sinister: bored at work Message-ID: I get a special pleasure listening to the belle & sebastian at work, because I work at a record label which is known for especially loud and heavy acts..i'm the only one here with any pop sensibilities and an appetite for indie rock ... so I annoy the hell out of folks around here with it....not to mention that there is a woman at the company I work for who used to work for the Enclave and she absolutely hated the "Sinister" album when she had to promote it, so I really get under her skin when I play anyhting by B&S. Auhtors/books: John Fante, William Maxwell, Flannery O'Connor, "Hunger" by Knut Hamsun and "Paddy Clarke Ha Ha Ha" By Roddy Doyle. --kelso NYC ======================================="I was yours for seven years...you call that dalliance?" --the wedding present-- ======================================= ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MPRVixen at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 03:54:35 1997 From: MPRVixen at xxx.com (MPRVixen at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: judy blume Message-ID: <971006224506_1531212511@emout12.mail.aol.com> Whoa, whoa, whoa...Judy Blume "wasn't a great literary figure?" are you dosed? Otherwise Known as Sheila the Great changed my pre-teen life! I think her collection of books was seminal in any girl living in the US (I can't speak for abroad) in the early-to-mid-80s. Was "Then Again Maybe I Won't" as big a deal for guys? Anyway...I haven't heard the new EP, but I just wanted to step in in Judy's defense. P ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Yunsung79 at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 06:54:06 1997 From: Yunsung79 at xxx.com (Yunsung79 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Message-ID: <971007015406_742642744@emout12.mail.aol.com> I wonder what could be better than Belle and Sebastian? Not much, but they're definately in my top 10 best bands ive herd in a long long time ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 08:34:44 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:34:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister: judy blume References: <971006224506_1531212511@emout12.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <3439E614.27A1159B@mcmail.com> > Whoa, whoa, whoa...Judy Blume "wasn't a great literary figure?" > are you dosed? :-) Well she certainly is a well known one... never really investigated any of her books at the pre-teen stage and now it's a bit late, but she certainly is a figure of some kind! Then again, I was the sort of pre-teen who preferred Mervyn Peake... All of which literary discussion reminds me- has anyone else ever come back to a book they read in their youth and seen things they didn't understand when they read it, so didn't remember were in there? I dug out an old collection of Irish stories from way-back-when once, and was somewhat shocked to find it had sex scenes that had gone straight over my head when I was little :) ObB&S: er, so where IS the single? kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 08:45:23 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:45:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: listnames References: <3438AC0F.1AEA71AB@scs.leeds.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3439E892.57F4D716@mcmail.com> > When the new B&S album comes out will this mailing list keep the same > name? Well it would be a bit weird (and probably onerous for Paul ) to change it for every album release :) -- anyway, Sinister is a great name! Most band lists are named after one particular release or song- witness Lipgloss [Pulp], Europop [Divine Comedy], Wild Ones [Suede], Sparkle [MLS], Avenue [St Etienne]....need I go on? (having said that, I've just realised that my Orlando list is the exception- well they'll just have to bloody well release something called Soulmagic, won't they *grin*- I already unwittingly pre-empted the Magic EP with the fans' page title!) > The comic? 2000AD. Will it change in a few years, what to, does it > need > to? Does this question really need to be answered? It could be retrospective I guess... but there might be more of a case here to change it. Not that you care what I think. > B.T.W does anyone know anything about the upcoming B&S gigs in > Manchester around December? Please! WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Manchester gigs?????????????????? [please, oh please...] tell all! Love Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Oct 7 10:01:54 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:01:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz Message-ID: <01BCD308.0ACDA660@rainbow.qss.co.uk> ..And yet another closet sciver emerges from the closet - when feeling particularly lacklustre in the office, and when there are no B&S messages to while away the hours, I have a beachball which provides me with infinite entertainment. Sadly I don't have a basketball net, or a beach for that matter, but I can now do about 40 keepie-uppies. [Keith Watson] Oh... we've got a beach ball, so we place the bins at opposite ends of the office and attempt to lob it back and forth into the bins to amuse ourselves for about an hour. Belle and Sebastian might like beach balls - quite a number of them definitely have balls. Keith ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From paulf at xxx.uk Tue Oct 7 09:57:35 1997 From: paulf at xxx.uk (Paul Forsyth) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:57:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: listnames References: <3438AC0F.1AEA71AB@scs.leeds.ac.uk> <3439E892.57F4D716@mcmail.com> Message-ID: <3439F97F.3A9A35F9@scs.leeds.ac.uk> > The comic? 2000AD. Will it change in a few years, what to, does it > > need > > to? Does this question really need to be answered? > > It could be retrospective I guess... but there might be more of a case > here to change it. > Not that you care what I think. The debate in the comic got me thinking, thats all. I think the list's name is brilliant and should not be changed. When my brain starts tinkering away I sometimes come out with some irrelevant saying... please ignore! > > B.T.W does anyone know anything about the upcoming B&S gigs in > > Manchester around December? Please! > > WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! > Manchester gigs?????????????????? > [please, oh please...] > tell all! I quote from their web page (and I checked it this morning) at: http://www.totalweb.co.uk/belleandsebastian/ "Apart from that we're going to pretty much have a rest, and do normal things, while Isobel goes back to her University course for a while. We might be plaaying one gig in Paris in November, and we will be playing three gigs in Manchester in December- but that's about all for just now." I've been trying to find out more about this but with no luck yet :( If you do hear hear anything please let me know asap! C ya Paul ____________________________________ / \ Paul Forsyth / E: paulf at scs.leeds.ac.uk \ Computer Science { W: http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/paulf/ } University Of Leeds \ P: +44-113-233-6789 / Leeds LS2 9JT \____________________________________/ United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From scc644 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 7 11:33:59 1997 From: scc644 at xxx.uk (Soozy) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:33:59 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz In-Reply-To: <01BCD264.81ABBE10@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <1AF6609118B@novell4.bham.ac.uk> > [Keith Watson] > Join the club! It's looking to quite a few people that the B+S mailing list is a "bored at work" club... It certainly brightens up my day - replaces Steve Wright in the Afternoon as a source of enter> How about the "bored at uni" contingent? Soozy (with half an hour still to go till her next lecture) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From paulf at xxx.uk Tue Oct 7 11:50:38 1997 From: paulf at xxx.uk (P Forsyth) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:50:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz In-Reply-To: <1AF6609118B@novell4.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > [Keith Watson] > > Join the club! It's looking to quite a few people that the B+S mailing list is a "bored at work" club... It certainly brightens up my day - replaces Steve Wright in the Afternoon as a source of enter> > > How about the "bored at uni" contingent? > > Soozy > (with half an hour still to go till her next lecture) Thats me. Am stuck in a room with lots of first years, trying to tell them what a keyboard is used for. *sigh* . Only one hour and ten minutes left... ____________________________________ / \ Paul Forsyth / E: paulf at scs.leeds.ac.uk \ Computer Science { W: http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/paulf/ } University Of Leeds \ P: +44-113-233-6789 / Leeds LS2 9JT \____________________________________/ United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 13:29:28 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:29:28 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199710071118.MAA16310@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> >I was browsing in Virgin the other day, and I came across three records by >the Bathers. One of the records was called Kelvingrove Baby, and I seem to >remember they were on the bill of the B&S show in Glasgow earlier this >year. Are they any good? They're on Marina, who I think did that tribute to >Postcard a while back, which is probably a good sign. I need advice because >my bank account dictates that I can't be quite as cavalier in my record >purchasing as I would like! The same thing happened to me. I was browsing in Virgin, Edinburgh and spotted Kelvingrove Baby. I decided to buy it because a) They supported B&S and b) The girl on the cover was so beautiful. I was sure the music would be just a beautiful as her, even though I'd never heard the band before. It was a pretty stupid thing to do but I was not disappointed. So yeah, I would recommend Kelvingrove Baby. Duke very kindly sent me another one of there CD�s. I haven�t had much time to listen to it, but it does not sound as good as KB. John. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Tue Oct 7 12:38:27 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (s9720251 at xxx.nl) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:38:27 +0200 Subject: Sinister: judy blume Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971007113827.0067efbc@student.let.uva.nl> At 10:54 PM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Whoa, whoa, whoa...Judy Blume "wasn't a great literary figure?" >are you dosed? >Otherwise Known as Sheila the Great changed my pre-teen life! I think her >collection of books was seminal in any girl living in the US (I can't speak >for abroad) in the early-to-mid-80s. Was "Then Again Maybe I Won't" as big a >deal for guys? Anyway...I haven't heard the new EP, but I just wanted to >step in in Judy's defense. > >P >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hello P (P???), I loved Judy Blume when I was a kid, especially Tales Of A Forth-Grade-Nothing and its sequels. Doesn't anyone in England read any Blume? In Holland no-one's heard of her, but I can't think of any Dutch writer who is so in touch with modern youth. And Blume's books were written in the seventies and they're still not old-fashioned! Ninette ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Tue Oct 7 12:46:12 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (s9720251 at xxx.nl) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:46:12 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971007114612.00676ea8@student.let.uva.nl> >Soozy >(with half an hour still to go till her next lecture) Yeah, me! me! me! I've only got nine lectures a week so I hang out at the computer room all the time, so I don't have to go home to do my homework. But then I'm reaaally lazy....I've actually got all the time in the world. Looking for a job where they won't mind my haircut/clothes style. Hard task! >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 7 13:15:39 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:15:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz In-Reply-To: <1AF6609118B@novell4.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Soozy wrote: > > > [Keith Watson] > > Join the club! It's looking to quite a few people that the B+S mailing list is a "bored at work" club... It certainly brightens up my day - replaces Steve Wright in the Afternoon as a source of enter> > > How about the "bored at uni" contingent? > > Soozy > (with half an hour still to go till her next lecture) I'm another bored at uni I'm afraid. We don't even start lectures until Thursday, and I'm too ill to enjoy freshers' week properly (can I have some sympathy now please? Cheers!). Until you've been properly bored, you can't begin to understand the entertainment value of reading another e-mail about Wallace & Gromit merchandise or the children of members of Shawaddywaddy. Can I be the first person to ask if anyone can offer accomodation in Manchester in December whenever these gigs are? Floor space will do fine... Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Tue Oct 7 13:26:52 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:26:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz Message-ID: <01BCD324.AD7C0200@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> >Soozy >(with half an hour still to go till her next lecture) >Yeah, me! me! me! I've only got nine lectures a week so I hang out at the computer room all the time, so I don't have to go home to do my homework. But then I'm reaaally lazy....I've actually got all the time in the world. Looking for a job where they won't mind my haircut/clothes style. Hard task! God you students have it tough, don't you! Finding a job where they don't mind your hair/clothes will be a relative piece of cake. Try finding a job where you only have to do nine hours a week! (And if you do, please let me know - I want one too!). Nigel xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From msrx7jg2 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 7 14:25:36 1997 From: msrx7jg2 at xxx.uk (John S Grinyer) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:25:36 BST Subject: Sinister: re:electric suite Message-ID: <70DFD036EC6@fs1.ec.man.ac.uk> To anyone's whos interested... The Electric Suite are playing the following gigs: Bull and Gate, Kentish Town Rd, NW5 on Monday 20 Oct, doors 8pm Free Butt, Albion Street, Brighton on Sunday 12th Oct, doors 8pm The Kings Head, 4 Fulham High Street, SW6 on Friday 7th Nov, doors 7.30pm The Electric Suite are a well established alternative rock band and all the above gigs have two or more other bands on the bill, so for a guaranteed good night, check it out (or words to that effect) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Tue Oct 7 14:33:07 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:33:07 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: re:electric suite In-Reply-To: <70DFD036EC6@fs1.ec.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, John S Grinyer wrote: > To anyone's whos interested... > The Electric Suite are playing the following gigs: ... and what's the connection with B&S again other than they both probably have some guitars too?? Don't answer that. Come on popkids, let's get back in a vaguely B&S direction before another 10 people leave the list. I see a lot of "unsubscribe"'s today and yesterday. Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Tue Oct 7 14:37:12 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:37:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: a good picture. Message-ID: <199710071337.OAA01941@brookes.ac.uk> __ _-==-=_,-. /--`' \_ at -@.--=\\_/`< ____ /= | \_| We love Tigermilk. / `\ _/=== \___/ \___/ //\./=/~\====\ \ // / | ===: | ._/_,__|_ ==: __ \/ \\ \\`--| / \\ | \\:| /==:-\ \__/``\____/ | |--|==: \ \ ===\ :==:`-' _> \ ===\ /==/ /==\ | ===\__/--/ <=== \ / ====\ \\/ _`-- \/ === \/--' /______/_______/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Tue Oct 7 15:09:13 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:09:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz Message-ID: <01BCD332.FA52FEE0@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> >I'm another bored at uni I'm afraid. We don't even start lectures until Thursday What.....you mean every week? I'm going back to uni to get bored. >Until you've been properly bored, you can't begin to understand the entertainment value of reading another e-mail about Wallace & Gromit merchandise or the children of members of Shawaddywaddy. Am I right in thinking that another "son of Showaddywaddy" once played football for Luton Town (and may still do)? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stip at xxx.uk Tue Oct 7 15:39:32 1997 From: Stip at xxx.uk (Stip / Blue Music) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:39:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: A Travellers Tale Message-ID: So seeing as I am currently searching for every - any - reason not to attend to the downright offensive pile of work before me, I'll tell you about my latest trip on public transport under the influence of Belle and Sebastian. After being mollycoddled on the coach by the tea lady last time I travelled to Glasgow, I reckoned the train would be a safer bet this time, and armed myself with a legion of cola bottles to distract myself from the music if things got a little, er, emotional again. It was an early train, though, and I soon fell into an apparently deep sleep to the heavenly strains of B&S. And it was then I started dreaming. Thinking I was still wide awake, I was surprised to experience 'Expectations' being interrupted by a somewhat ominous voice with a warning. It did not, I hasten to add, occur to me that I was dreaming, so I subsequently took what this mysterious voice was telling me very seriously. I was warned in rather urgent tones that *they* (whoever they may be), had discovered that I had a rogue bone in my ankle which was attracting ships from the equator carrying aliens, and that if the train travelled too close to the coast on the way up to Scotland they would most probably detect me. Horror. Was awakened by a now frantic old lady next to me, who could take my writhing and babbling no longer. Had excrutiating cramp in my leg. Was disorientated to the point of believing that I was indeed in grave danger. Had thrown my cola bottles all over the floor in blind panic. I cannot, even in sleep, listen to B&S and remain unmoved. No sign of the aliens so far, though... -- Nicola M Stip / Blue Music www.stip.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cleonard at xxx.COM Tue Oct 7 09:16:10 1997 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:16:10 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Gainsbourg concerts/Kelvingrove Park Message-ID: >And speaking of Serge, am I right in thinking that various B&S members >were recently involved in a couple of evenings in tribute to the good >man Gainsbourg earlier this year? If my somewhat dubious memory serves >me right, they played in Glasgow and Stirling with other BMX Bandits, >Pearlfishers, etc. Yes, your quite right. I tried to get into the Glasgow show at the Cottier, but it was sold out by the time I got there, cos I didn't have a ticket, cos I'm stupid. I overheard people in the street saying it wasn't to hot, but does anyone know better? Please share... This was the week before the big free B&S gig in Kelvingrove park which was moved to the QM (hip kids union at Glasgow Uni) because it was very rainy indeed. Were the Bathers the band on immediately before B&S? No hold on that was the Pastels. Were the Bathers the band on immediately before the Pastels? If it was I remember a lady drummer. I'm probably thinking of the wrong band. They were very polished and reminded me of the Incredible String Band (joking). What do we think of B&S as a live band? from Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From erst57 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 7 16:25:48 1997 From: erst57 at xxx.uk ('Training Unit') Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:25:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199710071525.QAA27330@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 17:02:43 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:02:43 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Judy Blume Message-ID: <01BCD318.EF3476C0@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Her books were amongst the first I read. I remember tales of a 4th grade nothing (about a boy whose younger brother is driving him crazy and eats his pet turtle), Then again Maybe I won't (about a 7th or 8th grader who is beginning to have wet dreams), and Blubber (about a girl everyone at school makes fun of). The books were poignantly well written, and reflected preteen life very well. In some ways, I think she might be described as a preteen Vonnegut (especially in then again where she uses that "then again maybe I won't" device over and over. And So it Goes, Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From C.B.Stride at xxx.uk Tue Oct 7 17:12:04 1997 From: C.B.Stride at xxx.uk (Dr C.B.Stride) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:12:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy Message-ID: <6079F3E2CB7@woodhead.shef.ac.uk> > > Am I right in thinking that another "son of Showaddywaddy" once played football for Luton Town (and may still do)? Yes, Scott Oakes used to play for the 'Scum' (I'm a Watford fan!) - he now plays for Sheffield Wednesday. Chris C.B.Stride at Sheffield.ac.uk *** daytime: 0114 2223262 *** *** FAX 0114 2727206 *** ** NEW ** evening: 0114 2306539 ** NEW ** "Watford FC Supporters - South Yorkshire branch" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Sun Oct 5 21:07:19 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 21:07:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister:Separated at birth? References: <199710051759.TAA18490@bologna.nettuno.it> Message-ID: <3437F377.8DEC7BA9@mail.zynet.co.uk> > I believe everything JD Salinger wrote should be > a delight for any B&S > amateur. and as if by magic the belle people did write: 'give yourself up to the allure of 'Catcher in The Rye''. Then tell us that the future's swathed in Stars and Stripes. how fetching. I don't think they're being entirely positive... but that's another story, and another post. Ah, the joys of taking up bandwidth. off to chop down some trees. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 21:41:29 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:41:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: stars of the cycling track References: <3438B3F0.DE59FF2E@colon.net.> <3438D785.50AF@virgin.net> <34392A29.9DD192F5@colon.net.> Message-ID: <34394CF9.8E7E8F8F@mail.zynet.co.uk> > in the time trial, where British hopes rest on > the ample > shoulders of comedian Stan Boardman, bronze > medal in > Atlanta. The gold medalist (Indurain) has > retired and the > silver medalist (Olano) has chickened out, so > there's > everything to win for the cheeky chappie from > Liverpool. did i ever tell ypou about the time when i used to ride around with graham obree, star of the peculiar shaped bikes and Punk Rock riding position? Well i did. I was never as good as him obviously but my mate Gavin used to beat him all the time... before he discovered vodka. Actually afterwards too. Gav broke the scottish junior record for the 50mile time trial, and told an astonished obree as we rode home, 'it must have been that bottle of vodka last night.' Indeed it must. They don't tell you these things on A Question Of Sport, do they? > And > before anyone accuses me of rabbiting on about > issues > entirely unrelated to Belle and Sebastian, > cyclist are kind > of stars of track and field and some of them are > most > definitely beautiful people, especially if you > dig > well-defined calf muscles and bulging thighs. well spoken that man there. And we all had a thing for Rebecca Twig from the USA... those stars and stripes skinsuits and that blonde hair... oo-er. What a star of the track SHE was. oh yes indeed. And continuing the bikes and B&S connection: there was the story of Stuart's new bike and it's mileometer/computere wasn't there? And the latest 'promo' shot has a bloke with a bike (not one that's gonna win any medals at the track champs mind...). So stop whinging that this is off-topic :-) the duke. PS i have many scars from track and field as a result of all my cycling crashes... ha ha. Sad joke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Sun Oct 5 21:12:38 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 21:12:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: you want a review?? References: <3437C3A6.63AE9CB7@colon.net.> Message-ID: <3437F4B6.7D15CFE7@mail.zynet.co.uk> well i toiled and i troubled and i... well you really don't want to know what else i did. but i did finish my 'review' of 3,6,9 Seconds of Light. It's pasted in it's entirety below, but i really do urge you to go look at it in it's pretty splendour (okay so swiped some of Davids images... sue me) on the tangents web site. just follow the link kids! sunday nights... listening to the Crabs again. yum. the duke PS please david, don't sue me... i have no money. just a sticking big cold :-( -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk -------the review! --------- [the introduction] So Claire comes around to say hello. I go ‘hey, I have a present for youÂ’, and I give her a Belle & Sebastian badge. She goes, ‘thanks, thatÂ’s really coolÂ’. She tells me sheÂ’s been playing the tape I gave her, tells me itÂ’s different. She qualifies this with ‘good differentÂ’. And then smiles. I tell her about Union Chapel and about Jarvis. I tell her that Lazy Line Painter Jane missed the charts by 172 sales. At this sheÂ’s amazed. She goes, ‘Belle & Sebastian arenÂ’t a chart bandÂ’, and I tell her what Isobel said about her favourite bands never getting in the charts. Claire smiles as is to say ‘see?Â’ and then goes, ‘and if they do get in the charts and into Smash Hits, then youÂ’ll not like them as much, will you? TheyÂ’ll not mean as much to you when theyÂ’re successful.Â’ I smile, and say nothing, because itÂ’s good to know that me and Pop can be so transparent. I just go, ‘you want to hear the next single?Â’ Claire goes, ‘oh go on then.Â’ The tape plays ‘Century of FakersÂ’. Ever the observant type, Claire spots that itÂ’s the same tune as ‘Century of ElvisÂ’. She says she prefers Elvis because itÂ’s a lovely story and besides it made people ask if Elvis was a cat, a dog or indeed a piece of broccoli. We go for the broccoli. I say ‘I think Elvis is great because itÂ’s a transitory, essentially Pop, essentially throwawayÂ’. I say, ‘hereÂ’s what I wrote about it all the other dayÂ’. Claire starts reading. She reads: [the theory] I think ‘Century of FakersÂ’ is a great song and I canÂ’t stop it from going around in my head, but maybe thatÂ’s because IÂ’ve been listening to it for ages already. The melody enhances the backing track, which still reminds me of the SabresÂ’ sublime ‘SmokebelchÂ’ perfectly, and as ever Mr Murdoch intones his intelligent lyrics in a voice that is fleet of foot and light of touch. ItÂ’s almost apologetically scornful, a way of making social and political commentary seductive, refusing to express anger or distrust in boringly obvious and traditional ways. In this, he sings in a style that could be likened to Malcolm Eden in the great lost ‘80s group McCarthy, a fact not unlinked to the next tune The marvellously titled ‘Le Pastie De La BourgeoisieÂ’ (translates as ‘apathy of the middle classesÂ’ apparently) echoes McCarthyÂ’s own great ‘We Are All Bourgeois NowÂ’ in title, and in sentiment it rather brings to mind the feelings behind their ‘The Well Fed Point Of ViewÂ’, wherein the ‘poeticÂ’ concept of finding salvation and freedom from oppression lying within the ‘soulÂ’ is openly and vitriolically attacked. I feel that Belle & Sebastian are launching a similar assault, albeit in a much more elliptical manner. I canÂ’t help feel that the knowing references to such obvious ‘yoof culturalÂ’ icons as ‘Catcher In The RyeÂ’ and Kerouac / ‘On The RoadÂ’ are intentionally placed to be mocking of this feeling that the middle classes can escape some sense of moral and spiritual responsibility by taking these routes of escape with the excuse of ‘finding yourselfÂ’. There is a sense that here is a resentment at being made impotent by upbringing and sociological education. But then that escape from the everyday into fantasy is the traditional purpose of Pop of course, and Belle & Sebastian are as trapped as McCarthy were within itÂ’s contradictions, although perhaps they are slightly more willing to embrace those contradictions and make them work for them. Or maybe they are just blessed or cursed to be living in this Post-ideological age where Politics have dissolved to the state of perfume. Perhaps. Certainly they are as obsessed with the concept of great Pop, and ‘Le PastieÂ’ rollocks along with typically chipper keyboards and a surf guitar that is pure Beat Poets. Sonically, it all sounds a bit mad, a bit like it could all collapse at any moment and as such of course it is an exhilarating delight. Speaking of collapse (hey, donÂ’t you love these connections!), track three, the delirious ‘BeautifulÂ’ seems to be rotating around the idea of collapse. The collapse of received visual expectation, wherein the object of Popular Desire is seen to be ‘beautiful, only slightly mentalÂ’, and that if we only knew what was going on in her life, ‘there would be a documentary on Radio 4.Â’ The collapse of shuffling jazzy brushed drums into a spiralling crescendo of mournful trumpet and brittle guitar pirouettes. ItÂ’s a strange song that stays inside you for hours. A song for mildly psychedelic funeral services. ‘Put The Book Back On The ShelfÂ’ is another song IÂ’ve been playing and adoring for several months, and with itÂ’s glorious opening and trumpet refrain itÂ’s going to be easy to see why. ItÂ’s another of the songs that features the semi-mythic Sebastian character, and as such continues the theme of self-questioning doubt and pity that previous songs in the series have brought to the fore (the eponymous track on the Dog On Wheels EP being the most obvious example). ThereÂ’s the essence of deliberate withdrawal from the world here, a feeling which is prevalent in the whole Belle & Sebastian story, the very essence which is reflected upon with scorn in ‘Le PastieÂ’. And itÂ’s these open peculiarities, this struggling to come to terms with personal status within society which Belle & Sebastian seem to me to so successfully embody. The sleeve tells you that this is the end of the record, but instead thereÂ’s a short pause before the final, un-listed track ‘Songs For ChildrenÂ’ fades in. With itÂ’s nod to the Pastels and the independent scene of the 1980s that Stuart at least was part of (if you doubted go read the sleevenotes here with the reference to bowl cuts and Postcard cats), itÂ’s an odd but fitting adjunct to the record, with itÂ’s simple insistent repetition of ‘Belle & Sebastian, on the radio, playing Songs For ChildrenÂ’, and although the apologetic ending almost grates, thereÂ’s still the feeling that they arenÂ’t really sorry at all. Certainly one hopes so. It all sounds like the early Ben Watt records, or Blueboy in their acoustic and most fragile of moments. Pretty much insubstantial but all the more lovely for it. So, five songs, the quality and depth of which you will struggle to find anywhere else in the ruins of Pop this year. Certainly as an antithesis to the brickie rock of Oasis, itÂ’s way out paving the way for the new generation of lost but happy shambling poets and songwriters who have the souls of tender perverts. When you see them on Top Of The Pops youÂ’ll know the revolution is under way, and they as you will know all about the (ir)relevance of it all. TheyÂ’ll be down the front penning pictures of the hangings. [the conclusion] So Claire puts this paper down and goes ‘yeah yeah yeah.Â’ She nods at me and the tape recorder. ‘You forgot one thingÂ’ she says. I go ‘whatÂ’s that then?Â’ and as she jumps off the desk, whips the tape from the recorder and legs it out the door I hear her shout ‘THEY SOUND FUCKING GREAT!!Â’ ------- the end ------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 21:50:27 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:50:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: duke not duke References: <01BCD264.81ABBE10@rainbow.qss.co.uk> <34393035.D06FFB99@colon.net.> Message-ID: <34394F12.591085B9@mail.zynet.co.uk> > who used to go to school with the son of Malcolm > "Duke" > Allured (of Showaddywaddy fame)'s son, who was a > real new > romantic, used to take a huge ghetto blaster to > school and > listen to Duran Duran doing his homework. He > later starred > in a Channel Four documentary called "The Sex > Hunters" about > a group of campsite disco bouncers who tried to > get off with > all the girls. They kept score with a little > Scalextric > track. Did anybody see it? Is our Duke related > to this Duke? i would love to say that i had kept score of all the girls i got off with in campsites or otherwise on a Scalextric track, but sadly must inform you that i would be struggling to get past the warm up/formation lap. And then i'd probably stall on the grid or be shunted off the track by some trendy type sporting the latest in ribbed ticklers. It is a sad and cruel world we inhabit, and no mistake. > He owns two or three crap pubs and North West > Leicestershire's finest rural discotheque. Aaah, > great days, > great days. Best forgotten, I think. At that > time Stephen > Duffy was called Tintin, and everybody loved > him. Belle and > Sebastian have got as many members as > Showaddywaddy, but > no-one called Caesar Romeo. Tintin! ah those were the days indeed. Ho ho. We danced on the tables in art and sang Altered Images songs til we nearly burst our lungs. We wore tukka boots and legwarmers without a trace of irony. Even the boys. Especially the boys... > Have I got away with it? how much money you got? i'm not the duke you think i am... -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Oct 7 19:46:44 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:46:44 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy References: <6079F3E2CB7@woodhead.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: <343A8394.D3C3AA9E@colon.net.> Dr C.B.Stride wrote: > > > > Am I right in thinking that another "son of > Showaddywaddy" > once played football for Luton Town (and may still do)? > > Yes, Scott Oakes used to play for the 'Scum' (I'm a > Watford fan!) - > he now plays for Sheffield Wednesday. > > Chris > > I had decided to turn over a new leaf earlier today. I wasn't going to inflict anymore off-topic ramblings on anyone. But I am so impressed by the speed and efficiency of this answer that I am going to cast caution to the wind and ask a follow-up question...which member of Showaddywaddy was his dad? Also...Popcorn by Hot Butter is indeed the music that will forever be associated with little kids bouncing up and down on trampolines in their pants and vests. I've also rediscovered Fanfare for the Common Man by Emerson Lake and Palmer. It's stirring stuff, perfectly encapsulates mankind's daring and sporting prowess. I've almost remebered that golf music...another vintage keyboard extravaganza, am I correct? Like a more dynamic version of the theme from One Man and his Dog. Did you know that sheepdogs respond very well to instructions given by theremin? It's true. Hardly practical, but that's not the point. Before the remaining seven people unsubscribe, I've had a fantastic idea! Are we all familiar with The Rough Guide to Rock? If so you will have noticed the tragic lack of an entry for Belle and Sebastian. Perhaps we could have another competition, or maybe a collaborative effort, to come up with a potted history of the band and a bit of advice for newcomers to the band. If it's accepted it gets put on the internet version and eventually goes into a new edition of the print version, thereby solving all the author's financial problems. It would be a good way of sharing information, keep things vaguely on topic, and provide a bit of exposure for our favourite sixteen legged groove machine. I don't know enough about the band to have ago myself, but I'm sure there's lots of folk in the know on this list. It's just a thought. What do you reckon? Good idea or bloody stupid idea? Katrina is still winning the B&S quiz with one correct entry out of eight (Mick). Here are some clues: People who wear Star Wars t-shirts invariably eat Monster Munch. University students always eat alphabetti spaghetti to help them learn new words. Religiously inclined lyricists always eat fish on Friday because God insists on it. Reincarnations of Keith Moon need to be able to bang away like a man posessed for hours on end and think they're a Tunnock's Teacake at the same time. I'm afraid the rest are fairly interchangeable. Rice pudding makes your hair a bit curly. Erm...Seymour Stein once confused Worzel Gummidge with Johnny Marr... And that just leaves Bernard Cribbins.... Let's go for a little walk...ba bum ba bum...under the moon of love Were Showaddywaddy brickie rock? Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Oct 7 20:33:50 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:33:50 +0200 Subject: Sinister: you want a review?? References: <3437C3A6.63AE9CB7@colon.net.> <3437F4B6.7D15CFE7@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <343A8E9E.4958F560@colon.net.> You'll be thrilled to learn that I already read your review this morning. I particularly liked the Ben Watt reference, right on the ball. I swapped that album, a Prefab Sprout album and a quid for a Josef K record on Postcard. Many moons ago. Vodka is a valuable sporting aid. Today I saw the entire Ukranian team go by, all sitting on each other's knees in a car. I bet they're guzzling vodka even as we speak. What has a hazlenut in every bite? TOPIC! I'm not whinging, just trying to tread carefully. People can get dreadfully uptight. Something to do with "paying good money" for each e-mail they receive, or something. Dunno. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Tue Oct 7 21:06:53 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:06:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy In-Reply-To: <343A8394.D3C3AA9E@colon.net.> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 oc245d8aff at colon.net wrote: > Before the remaining seven people unsubscribe, I've had a > fantastic idea! > > Are we all familiar with The Rough Guide to Rock? If so you > will have noticed the tragic lack of an entry for Belle and > Sebastian. Perhaps we could have another competition, or > maybe a collaborative effort, to come up with a potted > history of the band and a bit of advice for newcomers to the > band. Bastard! I was about to do it and start my career in journalism to get away from all this computing lark. Oh well, now it's in the open, I am sure Rough Guide would accept a well-written entry. I will no longer sneak around and pretend I'm not doing it: second line of defence is this: that we take up Pete's idea, and produce a collaborative potted history together, with contributions from all who want, if this is possible, and, uniquely for the Rough Guide, make the author "The Sinister List". I bet they'd like that, we'd get free advertising (URL!) and maybe a tiny squidge of funding to do stuff like list badges or something (and I think it is tiny)? To further inhibit my chance at muso stardom, here's the place for those who don't know: http://www.roughguides.com/RG_WWW/rgmusic.html What does anyone else think? I hereby volunteer myself to accept first stabs at a history, amalgamate them, stick them on the WWW page, and then submit it back to you lot to sort out truth from myth (although a little myth helps sometimes too). Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 21:11:39 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:11:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: december... References: Message-ID: <343A977B.20FDDE9A@mcmail.com> > Can I be the first person to ask if anyone can offer accomodation in > Manchester in December whenever these gigs are? Floor space will do > fine... Well, I might have if my parents consent, but I suspect they would prefer it if it were people I actually know :) - me being a still-dependent young thing and all. Will get back to you all on this one though b'cause we *do* have a spare room..................... [meanwhile, if you're anyone I do know slightly better who might want to be there, get in touch- you know who you are] Love, Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 21:18:42 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:18:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy References: <6079F3E2CB7@woodhead.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: <343A9922.B58580E4@mcmail.com> who the hell ARE Showaddywaddy anyway? kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mick at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 21:45:08 1997 From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:45:08 -0400 Subject: Sinister: B&S & McCarthy? References: <3437C3A6.63AE9CB7@colon.net.> <3437F4B6.7D15CFE7@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <343A9F54.CBDFCA73@indiepop.com> duke of harringay wrote: > obvious and traditional ways. In this, he sings > in a style that could be likened to Malcolm Eden > in the great lost 80s group McCarthy, a fact not > unlinked to the next tune > > The marvellously titled Le Pastie De La > Bourgeoisie (translates as apathy of the middle > classes apparently) echoes McCarthys own great > We Are All Bourgeois Now in title, and in > sentiment it rather brings to mind the feelings > behind their The Well Fed Point Of View, wherein > the poetic concept of finding salvation and > freedom from oppression lying within the soul is > openly and vitriolically attacked. I feel that Very intriguing! I don't have the new EP yet, but I am quite curious, now that you brought McCarthy into the picture. I don't believe I've seen that band mentioned here on this list. They released three records on Midnight Music (I think) and two of these albums were recently released onto a single CD, along with a Best Of... CD reissue which came out before that. You may be more familiar with some of the McCarthy members than you think, as Tim Gane of Stereolab was in the band all along, and later on Laetitia Sadier joined up as well. I spent $30 getting the twofer, and I did regret it for a little bit (especially now that Parasol is carrying it for $13!) but now I have decided it was worth the money. So you ought to go try & find some McCarthy. The reissues are all on Cherry Red. /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - mick at indiepop.com \ / Sandcastle Records - sandcastlerecords at indiepop.com | | http://www.citynet.net/personal/mick/SCastle.html | | | | "Beware the other head of Science, Arthur. It bites!" | | - the Tick | | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Tue Oct 7 23:08:19 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy In-Reply-To: <343A8394.D3C3AA9E@colon.net.> Message-ID: The previous quiz clues were downright vicious, but these, now these are some clues a man can sink his teeth into, aye! > People who wear Star Wars t-shirts invariably eat Monster > Munch. The uhh bassist guy Stevie > University students always eat alphabetti spaghetti to help > them learn new words. Isobel > Religiously inclined lyricists always eat fish on Friday > because God insists on it. Stuart M or D or arrghh. Stuart M Stuart M! > Reincarnations of Keith Moon need to be able to bang away > like a man posessed for hours on end and think they're a > Tunnock's Teacake at the same time. Chris Gee > I'm afraid the rest are fairly interchangeable. Rice pudding > makes your hair a bit curly. Erm...Seymour Stein once > confused Worzel Gummidge with Johnny Marr... And that just > leaves Bernard Cribbins.... And the rest! Here on Bellensebastian's island! Nuts. I thought it would be easier with the new hints. phoo fran ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 8 09:52:11 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:52:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: A Travellers Tale Message-ID: <01BCD3CF.D9EE10C0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> No sign of the aliens so far, though... -- Nicola M Stip / Blue Music www.stip.demon.co.uk [Keith Watson] That was a great story, cool... I've just made it into work and I can hardly type because I'm still pissed! This'll make a great ink polaroid - virtually everything's still blurred! Stumbled my way up Morningside road in Edinburgh and finally made it to work at 10 to 10 with a massive 5 o'clock shadow and my head still spiinning! Sorry about the irrelevance of this message chaps - just thought i'd let you share in my rather comical situation this morning. Incidentally Paul - I'm surprised people are leaving, it seems like we're all becoming pals now which is cool... Hik bleurgghgh your all me fekkin best mates! Cheers, Keith. ps: haven't attracted any strange aliens yet ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 8 09:55:23 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:55:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Gainsbourg concerts/Kelvingrove Park Message-ID: <01BCD3D0.4C1368D0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> This was the week before the big free B&S gig in Kelvingrove park which was moved to the QM (hip kids union at Glasgow Uni) because it was very rainy indeed. Were the Bathers the band on immediately before B&S? No hold on that was the Pastels. Were the Bathers the band on immediately before the Pastels? If it was I remember a lady drummer. I'm probably thinking of the wrong band. They were very polished and reminded me of the Incredible String Band (joking). [Keith Watson] What I really want to know here is... (David/Katrina anyone who knows) Did I go through to Glasgow on the SUNDAY after the Kelvingrove park longest day of my life concert in vain... Mick had told us that they were playing in Ashton lane on Sunday as part of the yearly street festival thingy, Hardbody were supposed to be playing but I didn't even see them, only saw the bathers, went home miserable and with only Dexy's "Dont't stand me down" in consolation (it's a great consolation, but I could have got it in Edinburgh). So does anyone know... did they actually play or not? Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 8 10:00:06 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:00:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy Message-ID: <01BCD3D0.F53571B0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> -----Original Message----- From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 7:47 PM To: Dr C.B.Stride Cc: Soozy; 'Stuart'; Nigel Turner; sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Re: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy Katrina is still winning the B&S quiz with one correct entry out of eight (Mick). Here are some clues: People who wear Star Wars t-shirts invariably eat Monster Munch. [Keith Watson] Ha harr - Chris Geddes! Wears that bloody T-Shirt all the time. So I've got a point. Do I get another for saying that Mick had the trumpet shaped things too. Do I get extra for saying that the chances are more like that Mick would have a turnip shaped just like a thingy should he be able to help it (in the order of the rudest first...) [sorry if that made no sense... I'm still pissed] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeepster.uk at xxx.net Wed Oct 8 11:43:42 1997 From: jeepster.uk at xxx.net (Katrina House) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:43:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Err.....new EP actually, quel surprise References: <199710061946.UAA03897@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> <343A022A.4912@virgin.net> Message-ID: <343B63DE.10C4@virgin.net> Katrina House wrote: > > Andrew O'Sullivan wrote: > > So have I missed an > > important announcement on the list, or what? Katrina - what the hell? > > I think I remember David telling everyone on the list quite a few times > that the actual date of release is this coming Monday the 13th. > > We had hoped to get the mailout done befroe this Monday, as I knew > everyone was going to think the single came out yesterday ... thanks to > the NME. > > Anyhow, it's the 13th, all of those of you on the paper mailing lists > will get something in the post tomorrow-ish with more details, and David > will hopefully get around to posting the mailout on the site this > weekend sometime. > > I'm off to fall asleep - we were up until 2am finishing it all for you. > > Cheers, > Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeepster.uk at xxx.net Wed Oct 8 11:43:04 1997 From: jeepster.uk at xxx.net (Katrina House) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:43:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Quiz References: <3438B3F0.DE59FF2E@colon.net.> <343B6332.44E2@virgin.net> Message-ID: <343B63B8.41B8@virgin.net> Katrina is still winning the B&S quiz with one correct entry out of eight (Mick). Alright then, i'm trying again! > 1: Halal chicken, unpeeld potatoes and broccolli. Fish on > Fridays Stuart Murdoch > 2: Alphabetti Spaghetti Isobel (even though in real life Richard only eats pasta and chicken soup, so his MUST be wrong!) > 3: Magic mushrooms and powdered rhino horn And that just leaves Sarah > 4: Spangles, Jaffa Cakes and Monster Munch (Sarah wears Star Wars t-shirts ... but I got this one wrong last time, so...) Stevie??? > 5: Exotic fruit and rice pudding Chris (this is silly!) > 6: A cup o' tea and a slice o' cake Richard (this is WRONG!) > 7: Anything advertised by Bernard Cribbins Stuart David > 8: Trumpet-shaped turnips. Mick Cooke I did it as in real-life food stuff, not some weird hidden thing that's too deep for me in the morning when i've got flu :( Please let me win? Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 8 11:07:10 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:07:10 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy References: Message-ID: <343B5B4E.94BCFAAD@colon.net.> Francisco Alberto Wong wrote: > The previous quiz clues were downright vicious, but these, > now these are > some clues a man can sink his teeth into, aye! > > > People who wear Star Wars t-shirts invariably eat > Monster > > Munch. > > The uhh bassist guy Stevie > > > University students always eat alphabetti spaghetti to > help > > them learn new words. > > Isobel > > > Religiously inclined lyricists always eat fish on Friday > > > because God insists on it. > > Stuart M or D or arrghh. Stuart M Stuart M! > > > Reincarnations of Keith Moon need to be able to bang > away > > like a man posessed for hours on end and think they're a > > > Tunnock's Teacake at the same time. > > Chris Gee > > > I'm afraid the rest are fairly interchangeable. Rice > pudding > > makes your hair a bit curly. Erm...Seymour Stein once > > confused Worzel Gummidge with Johnny Marr... And that > just > > leaves Bernard Cribbins.... > > And the rest! Here on Bellensebastian's island! > > Nuts. I thought it would be easier with the new hints. > phoo > > fran Two correct answers! Which, combined with Katrina's one correct answer, makes a total of three correct answers! Mick, Isobel and Stuart M's eating habits have all been correctly identified! Another clue: The Star Wars t-shirt was mentioned in a message to the list some time ago. The wearer was at a party in Edinburgh, probably nicking cans of lager and frightening the girls....or was that Keith? Quizmaster Pete, the Bob Holness of indie pop. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 8 12:35:49 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:35:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: I know it's normally Paul's job to complain about things, but it's not the number of irrelevant postings that's cluttering up my e-mail (because most of them are still either amusing, interesting, or about Shawaddywaddy); it's when I keep getting 2 copies of some of the messages. When people reply to all, which is the easiest way for most of us to reply, could they remember to delete the other names from the send-to field? At the moment I keep getting one copy from the list and another copy by being named in the send-to. Cheers, Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Wed Oct 8 15:05:30 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:05:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: falling sentry blades? Message-ID: <0039600000289583000002L032*@MHS> ooh, new newsletter thing came this morning which answered a couple of questions i've been meaning to ask and raises a few new ones: there are two new videos, one for 'fakers' and one for 'pastie'. will we ever get a chance to see all of these or will we be doomed forever to see only the 15 seconds or so that the chart show can spare the time for? is the t-shirt laura the same as the cartoon laura? i think so. oh, and i can think of a few records without name or title on the cover - snowball by the field mice (plain pink 10"), that flying saucer attack / jessamine split single (fish), er, i'm sure there are more. oh, falling sentry blades is another song title that i've heard mentioned but never actually heard. it's from the original mailouts in june / july last year. um, time to start making friends in paris methinks... andy nowhere to sit nowhere to sit nowhere, nowhere, nowhere to sit. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From timminsc at xxx.ie Wed Oct 8 14:14:28 1997 From: timminsc at xxx.ie (timminsc) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 14:14:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: serge Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971008141428.007a6c40@mail.tcd.ie> To those who question the excellence of the gainsbourg tribute in Cottiers, let me say that it was a thoroughly enjoyable evening. I am, however, struggling to think of what was actually my favourite performance. But hasn't the lead singer from the bathers got a great voice? So was the concert in the QM good? After wandering through Kelvingrove park in the rain I retired to a nearby pub and didn't find out about the changed location until it was too late. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 8 14:14:06 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:14:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy Message-ID: <01BCD3F4.708D9860@rainbow.qss.co.uk> -----Original Message----- From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 11:07 AM To: Francisco Alberto Wong; B&S mailing list Subject: Re: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy Another clue: The Star Wars t-shirt was mentioned in a message to the list some time ago. The wearer was at a party in Edinburgh, probably nicking cans of lager and frightening the girls....or was that Keith? Quizmaster Pete, the Bob Holness of indie pop. [Keith Watson] Yeah - that was me I'm afraid, *Mystery B+S bloke* was very well behaved in fact, I was razzed up to the eyeballs and making a tit of myself. A friend of mine's still got a photo of me hugging *Mystery B+S block* and now *Mystery B+S bloke* seems to think I'm their biggest fan - which is all very nice, I do totally love them, but when you've got people naming their children after the band I think that qualifies as pretty nutty fandom... Anyway--- another hint if you like if my mail this morning shouting about who it actually was passed you by... He's got a nice jacket, reminds me of that guy.... what was his name again, Maher? Something like that. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Wed Oct 8 15:59:49 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:59:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: the quiz Message-ID: <0039600000290406000002L062*@MHS> well, the worzel gummidge / johnny marr clue obviously maps chris keyboard bloke to the cup of tea and the slice of cake... andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Oct 8 15:17:02 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:17:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Stuff Message-ID: Some minor mailing list/WWW news: I have updated the guitar tabs *again* with more from S.A.Clarke (Lazy Line) and Ben Ufton - thanks to them. Still looking for Tigermilk tabs... :) I have also added the superfluous(?) ability to see who's on each of the mailing lists at the click of a mouse - as some of you are bothering to send majordomo requests to find out. You can also see a quick and dirty breakdown of who's from where - which makes me mention that there's now a staggering 12 people from France on the list - well done. Waiting for Australia and Sweden to catch up... It's also worth reiterating that I can't see inside sites called "*.net" - they could be from anywhere so some people won't be counted from their own countries. If anyone cares... All this stuff is available at http://www.majordomo.net/sinister as always. Oh yes, and if anyone would like to volunteer to run a Showaddywaddy list separately - I had a look on www.ubl.com and there isn't one yet - so a nice job for somebody :) I'd love to but there's too much real work to do here just now.... Finally I mailed Rough Guides re. the proposal to do an entry - nothing back yet. I wanted to know if we should bother, i.e. what criteria they use to decide if a band makes a worthwhile entry, other than writing quality. Hmm... Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Wed Oct 8 16:11:22 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 16:11:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: falling sentry blades? References: <0039600000289583000002L032*@MHS> Message-ID: <343BA29A.B0B75E8B@mcmail.com> > oh, and i can think of a few records without name or title > on the cover - snowball by the field mice (plain pink 10"), > that flying saucer attack / jessamine split single (fish), > er, i'm sure there are more. ummm... "How Do You Kiss" by Sexus, if it had ever been released... no can't think of anymore... I think it's a great idea though... > nowhere to sit > nowhere to sit > nowhere, nowhere, > nowhere to sit. things like that are what keeps this list lively to read :) Love Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cleonard at xxx.COM Wed Oct 8 15:57:11 1997 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:57:11 -0500 Subject: Sinister: RE: serge Message-ID: > To those who question the excellence of the gainsbourg tribute in > Cottiers, let me say that it was a thoroughly enjoyable evening. I am, > however, struggling to think of what was actually my favourite performance. > But hasn't the lead singer from the bathers got a great voice? > So was the concert in the QM good? After wandering through Kelvingrove > park in the rain I retired to a nearby pub and didn't find out about the > changed location until it was too late. Well, I enjoyed B&S. The only problem for me was the sheer volume of people of the place - to be expected at a free gig, I know. Much of the B&S music is really quiet, or starts really quiet and the noise of people talking often drowned them out (where I was standing anyway). But what I could hear was good. It seems like ages ago now - maybe time has altered my perceptions. Monica Queen done a turn as well. And I was standing next to Eugene Kelly. He looked bored. Douglas BMX Bandit introduced them (hee hee, it's all coming back to me now) as the hippest kids on the street, or something like that, which I recall finding amusing. The big downers were I had to wait for about hour to get a pint of QM beer, which tastes like pish (tip: If your in the QM go for bottled beer). And I had to listen to the Pastels (I admire the Pastels unique placing in Glasgow pop culture and am even thrilled when I buy records out of John Smiths on Byres Road and get served by Stephen Pastel. I just think his music is shite.) I think the concert was better than it would have been if it was in the park. Hey I shouldn't complain though. It was free B & S for me. Anyone else? Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Oct 8 16:46:24 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:46:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: RE: serge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is this really true? Was there a Gainsbourg tribute gig with B&S that I missed? I can't think of anything more orgasmic. What the hell did they play? Did they smoke fags in a cool way? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmf at xxx.net Wed Oct 8 17:14:02 1997 From: jmf at xxx.net (J M Forsyth) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 17:14:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: falling sentry blades? In-Reply-To: <343BA29A.B0B75E8B@mcmail.com> References: <0039600000289583000002L032*@MHS> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971008171402.006be808@mail.psionworld.net> Ultra Vivid Scene. There are millions. At 16:11 08/10/97 +0100, you wrote: > >> oh, and i can think of a few records without name or title >> on the cover - snowball by the field mice (plain pink 10"), >> that flying saucer attack / jessamine split single (fish), >> er, i'm sure there are more. > >ummm... "How Do You Kiss" by Sexus, if it had ever been released... >no can't think of anymore... I think it's a great idea though... > > >> nowhere to sit >> nowhere to sit >> nowhere, nowhere, >> nowhere to sit. > >things like that are what keeps this list lively to read :) > >Love > Kate xxx > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmf at xxx.net Wed Oct 8 16:14:02 1997 From: jmf at xxx.net (J M Forsyth) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 16:14:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: falling sentry blades? In-Reply-To: <343BA29A.B0B75E8B@mcmail.com> References: <0039600000289583000002L032*@MHS> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971008161402.006c0088@mail.psionworld.net> Ultra Vivid Scene. There are millions. At 16:11 08/10/97 +0100, you wrote: > >> oh, and i can think of a few records without name or title >> on the cover - snowball by the field mice (plain pink 10"), >> that flying saucer attack / jessamine split single (fish), >> er, i'm sure there are more. > >ummm... "How Do You Kiss" by Sexus, if it had ever been released... >no can't think of anymore... I think it's a great idea though... > > >> nowhere to sit >> nowhere to sit >> nowhere, nowhere, >> nowhere to sit. > >things like that are what keeps this list lively to read :) > >Love > Kate xxx > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 8 16:14:08 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:14:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the new EP Message-ID: <01BCD405.373C3970@rainbow.qss.co.uk> What's a bit of a worry is that the new EP contains 5 songs, at least not all five of them are listed. 5 separate actual songs on a single disqualifies them from the singles chart and makes it viable for the albums chart. Hopefully the chart compilers will not notice this. The other question is: do you reckon they'll go on top of the pops if it does chart? I mean, they don't even give photographs away never mind go on the telly! It would be totally brilliant since as the Duke says, they are a complete antidote to most of the stuff around at the moment, and I don't think I'd ever have seen a band of their like on TOTP before. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From John.Johnston at xxx.uk Wed Oct 8 18:04:24 1997 From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:04:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re - the new ep Message-ID: <199710081656.RAA20462@hgty.capgemini.co.uk> >The other question is: do you reckon they'll go on top of the pops if it does chart? I mean, >they don't even give photographs away never mind go on the telly! It would be totally >brilliant since as the Duke says, they are a complete antidote to most of the stuff around >at the moment, and I don't think I'd ever have seen a band of their like on TOTP before. I'd love to see B&S on 'the Pops' but with the slight apprehension that if they then rocket to the top of the hit parade loving their music wont be the cosy convivial habit it is for true believers - but I wish 'em all the best, mind. And Keith is right: having them on TOTP would be fantastic by showing what kind of music can be produced these days. I'd put B&S on immeadiately after some ne'er-do-well Britpop-by-numbers band and see if the surly lot can stand the juxtaposition (for all you wrestling fans) with the toppermost of the poppermost. The most unlikely TOTP moment I ever remember was when New Model Army smashed into the top 45 at number 44 with No Rest. They had to stick tape over the obscenities on their T-shirts (which were actually advising people not to take Cocaine) and Slade the Leveller (crazy name crazy guy!) prowled the stage snarling at some teeny-bopper in yellow dungarees who insisted on jigging about clapping her hands above her head like they were Black Lace. Oh the majesty of Rock - the pageantry of Roll... ta ra john xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnj at xxx.com Wed Oct 8 18:47:12 1997 From: johnj at xxx.com (J Jackson) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:47:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: falling sentry blades? In-Reply-To: <0039600000289583000002L032*@MHS> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971008184712.00699e7c@mail.u-net.com> At 03:05 PM 10/8/97 +0100, Andrew Dean wrote: >oh, and i can think of a few records without name or title >on the cover - snowball by the field mice (plain pink 10"), >that flying saucer attack / jessamine split single (fish), >er, i'm sure there are more. sorry mate my Snowball (which I got in 1988 or whenever it came out) has the band name and title on it.. it does have apink cover, the letters are white JJ _______________________________________________________ Run away! Run away! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 8 12:30:09 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:30:09 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy References: <01BCD3D0.F57ED6C0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <343B6EC1.836736C4@colon.net.> Keith Watson wrote: > - > > Katrina is still winning the B&S quiz with one correct > entry > out of eight (Mick). Here are some clues: > People who wear Star Wars t-shirts invariably eat Monster > Munch. > > [Keith Watson] Ha harr - Chris Geddes! Wears that bloody > T-Shirt all the time. So I've got a point. Do I get > another for saying that Mick had the trumpet shaped things > too. Do I get extra for saying that the chances are more > like that Mick would have a turnip shaped just like a > thingy should he be able to help it (in the order of the > rudest first...) > > [sorry if that made no sense... I'm still pissed] > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Well done that man! Three to go! Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Oct 8 19:30:14 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:30:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: falling sentry blades? References: <3.0.2.32.19971008184712.00699e7c@mail.u-net.com> Message-ID: <343BD136.D0B6E941@mail.zynet.co.uk> > At 03:05 PM 10/8/97 +0100, Andrew Dean wrote: > >oh, and i can think of a few records without > name or title > >on the cover - snowball by the field mice > (plain pink 10"), > >that flying saucer attack / jessamine split > single (fish), > >er, i'm sure there are more. > > sorry mate > > my Snowball (which I got in 1988 or whenever it > came out) > has the band name and title on it.. > > it does have apink cover, the letters are white well i don't wanna start a fight, but actually andy is right... the FRONT of Snowball is just plain pink. It's the back that has the writing on. There was a rather nice t-shirt at the time though (not officially catalogued, but sold by Sarah at shows alongside the 'leaf' design) that was a purple square with 'the field mice' in black in a corner. Not much to do with B&S of course, except that... um, someone once thought a B&S record sounded not unlike the field mice. Anyone?? How sad am i? I even thought about going through all my singles and noting all the ones with no band or title on the front... Then i glanced at the shelves and thought better of it :-) grooving to '1969'. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Oct 8 19:43:52 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:43:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: b&S on totp?? References: <199710081656.RAA20462@hgty.capgemini.co.uk> Message-ID: <343BD467.EA869181@mail.zynet.co.uk> Johnston, John CT wrote: > >The other question is: do you reckon they'll go > on top of the pops if it does > chart? I mean, >they don't even give photographs > away never mind go on > the telly! It would be totally >brilliant i would just LOVE for B&S to appear on totp, live and kicking, whatever the fuck they could get their pert little bodies onto would be super duper cool. As long as it was 'on their terms' naturally. Saw the footage of Dexys on TOTP with the Jocky Wilson still in the background and despite (because?) of this i was still moved. Then read the section in the very excellent 'England's Dreaming' about 'Don't Stand Me Down' and felt like weeping. THEN found a review of the reissue claiming it as lost classic and feeling so ANGRY because some of us knew this and were telling the world so very many years ago. And this has what to do with B&S? Well i like the way they are attempting to do it all on their terms, taking no bullshit, just like Dexys. Stealing master tapes to renegotiate contracts... now THAT i would love to see B&S carry off! :-) > I'd love to see B&S on 'the Pops' but with the > slight apprehension that > if they then rocket to the top of the hit parade > loving their music wont > be the cosy convivial habit it is for true > believers - 'got no apprehension' as them close lobster dudes would once have sung from the depths of paisley. i want the whole world to hear and have the chance to fall in love with and to Belle & Sebastian. And what's a 'true believer' anyway? Someone who heard them before 'the masses'? Only people who have Tigermilk? I think it's a silly distinction, as noted before... if your faith is true it shows through and you don't need silly cliques and fashions to 'prove' it. It's got something to do with cred and cool and being 'first' because that's POP, but it goes beyond that by a mile. It's called Love and it belongs to everyone of us. Don't stand me down, or around, for i'll never stop saying your name. keep the faith, the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From KELSO at xxx.com Wed Oct 8 20:55:34 1997 From: KELSO at xxx.com (Kelso) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 15:55:34 -0400 Subject: Sinister: sinister:b&s on top--reply--reply Message-ID: Johnston, John CT wrote: > >The other question is: do you reckon they'll go > on top of the pops if it does > chart? I mean, >they don't even give photographs > away never mind go on > the telly! >>>>> But they will be on television...remember the PBS special that was videotaped in New York that should air in December (I think.) But your statement does make me wonder....do we know why the band doesn't do photos? Besides the one that was in "Sinister" I can only recall seeing two other photos of them in print...one in NME and one in Melody Maker and both of those were just of Stuart, not the entire band. I suppose its no big deal, really, just a little quirk of theirs that I'm intrigued by. Also, is "Top of the Pops" really still going on over there. It's been on the air for ages hasn't it? All of my familiarity with it comes from the few clips of the program I've seen and the quotes I've read from musicians, sucha s the Kinks, who belly-ached about the lip-synching policy. Do they still make the performers sing-along to a tape or do they actually perform these days? --kelso ======================================= "She's just a skinny little thing...doesn't mean any harm...doesn't mean what she says." --seam-- ======================================= ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Wed Oct 8 21:09:48 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:09:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: TV? Message-ID: <01bcd426$2105b840$LocalHost@default> Not that I mind B&S becoming famous or going on top of the pops, it's just that I hate the thought of all the people I've ever played them to and then been told they were pants, coming up to me and telling me to listen to this great new band. It happens. Is anyone else embarassed by the fact that we have a popular music programme with such a bad name? and that other people in far off lands are laughing at our stupid '60's TV titles. 'Cos I am. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnj at xxx.com Wed Oct 8 21:40:46 1997 From: johnj at xxx.com (J Jackson) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 21:40:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: now listen, sonny In-Reply-To: <343BD136.D0B6E941@mail.zynet.co.uk> References: <3.0.2.32.19971008184712.00699e7c@mail.u-net.com> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971008214046.00695554@mail.u-net.com> At 07:30 PM 10/8/97 +0100, duke of harringay wrote: >> At 03:05 PM 10/8/97 +0100, Andrew Dean wrote: >> >oh, and i can think of a few records without >> name or title >> >on the cover - snowball by the field mice >> (plain pink 10"), >> >that flying saucer attack / jessamine split >> single (fish), >> >er, i'm sure there are more. >> >well i don't wanna start a fight, but actually >andy is right... the FRONT of Snowball is just >plain pink. It's the back that has the writing >on. There was a rather nice t-shirt at the time >though (not officially catalogued, but sold by >Sarah at shows alongside the 'leaf' design) that >was a purple square with 'the field mice' in >black in a corner. He said "ON THE COVER" well my Snowball has writing on the cover. he didn't say the FRONT and he didn't say the BACK so there nur nur JJ _______________________________________________________ Run away! Run away! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 8 21:51:52 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 22:51:52 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Top of the Pops and the last mention of Leicester's finest teddy boy combo. Message-ID: <343BF268.5723813E@colon.net.> I hope Belle and Sebastian do get the oppurtunity to grace the TOTP stage. I don't know what it's like now, so I don't know if they'd be an antidote to anything or not. Many years ago TOTP was sort of important, and even if it's shit now, I for one would jump at the chance of being on it, if only for the oppurtunity of telling my grandchildren about it. My Aunty Ann has been dining out for years on the fact that Ted "3,2,1" Rogers once asked her out. She turned him down. If anyonne wants to see how the mighty are fallen, check out the following link. Apparently 23 pages contain the word Showaddywaddy, and this little gem is one of them. Isn't that Isobel and Sarah sitting on the floor in the front row? And that looks suspiciously like Stuart Murdoch in a tangerine frightwig. http://www.chycor.co.uk/kiligarth-manor/page3.htm The other important reference point for seekers of Showaddywaddy-isms is the song "A Little Bit of Soap" by De La Soul, which (if I'm not embarrassingly mistaken) contains a sample of our new heroes just before the fade out. I wonder if their lawyers are as good as James Brown's. So that's why some of the messages come twice! I thought it was Bill Gates' fault. I'll try my best, but please bear in mind that I've only just learnt not to send all the messages to Paul instead of the list. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From initgrl at xxx.org Wed Oct 8 22:27:41 1997 From: initgrl at xxx.org (jj heldmann) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Top of the Pops and the last mention of Leicester's finest teddy boy combo. In-Reply-To: <343BF268.5723813E@colon.net.> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 oc245d8aff at colon.net wrote: > If anyonne wants to see how the mighty are fallen, check out > the following link. Apparently 23 pages contain the word > Showaddywaddy, and this little gem is one of them. Isn't > that Isobel and Sarah sitting on the floor in the front row? And that > looks suspiciously like Stuart Murdoch in a tangerine frightwig. ok, maybe i just missed something but what the heck is this showaddywaddy stuff anyway?! i'm so confused! xo jj ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 8 22:49:36 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 23:49:36 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Blimey! Message-ID: <343BFFEF.21026233@colon.net.> Look what I found when checking out the runners and riders for this year's Booker Prize: "A network of tunnels, a subterranean world of drives and pathways, has just been completed beneath the Duke's estate, but His Grace is far from happy." Sounds cheerful enough to me this evening. The kids must've behaved themselves at school today. Extra marks for mentioning Fife's finest darts player, who's got an Argentinian wife. I agree wholeheartedly with your eloquent defence of TOTP. If it were consistently brilliant, the special moments wouldn't stick in our memories so much, The Smiths freaking out the entire nation, Nirvana being daft, Joe Dolce (or was that a recording?), the list could go on and on, but fortunately my memory's on the blink. I remember Dexy's being interviewed about that album on The Tube (I think). Another case of freaking out the entire nation. I like the name Top of the Pops. Reminds me of Jimmy Saville. They perform live now. Was Duke's New Order quote a deliberate reference to their insistence on playing live on TOTP, back in the days when it was considered ridiculous? That was the song they did wasn't it? Belle and Sebastian have been described as "exquisite" in a Spanish magazine. Have I said that before? Daisy, Daisy... Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 8 22:59:12 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 23:59:12 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Top of the Pops and the VERY last mention of Leicester's finest teddy boy combo. References: Message-ID: <343C022F.7C203CFE@colon.net.> jj heldmann wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 oc245d8aff at colon.net wrote: > > > If anyonne wants to see how the mighty are fallen, check > out > > the following link. Apparently 23 pages contain the word > > > Showaddywaddy, and this little gem is one of them. Isn't > > > that Isobel and Sarah sitting on the floor in the front > row? And that > > looks suspiciously like Stuart Murdoch in a tangerine > frightwig. > > ok, maybe i just missed something but what the heck is > this showaddywaddy > stuff anyway?! i'm so confused! > xo > jj Horrible fifties teddy boy pastiche group. Enormously popular when some of us were little. I can't remember how the subject came up, bbut it was me anyway. They're from near where I live. Of no interest whatsoever to your average Belle and Sebastian fan. I tried to look them up on the web, but there's not much to see. Yet.... I've heard a rumour that somebody IS going to start a mailing list, but only time will tell. In the meantime, it's probably best just to forget about it, otherwise we'll be upsetting somebody, as well as driving ourselves around the twist. I started it, sir, but if someone asks a question it's polite to answer, isn't it? So it wasn't the last mention after all. Well, this time it really is. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacques.buron at xxx.fr Thu Oct 9 01:15:33 1997 From: jacques.buron at xxx.fr (Walter) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 00:15:33 +0000 Subject: Sinister: French photo References: Message-ID: <343C2225.4962@smtp.wanadoo.fr> > do photos? Besides the one that was in "Sinister" I > can only recall seeing two other photos of them in > print...one in NME and one in Melody Maker and both of > those were just of Stuart, not the entire band. I > suppose its no big deal, really, just a little quirk of theirs > that I'm intrigued by. Maybe you British don't know that there was a long article about B&S in a french magazine, "Les Inrockuptibles" (n°114), where you can find ONE photo, but a good one (I think) : it's not a photo of the entire band, there's only Isobel, sitting on the grass in a field, laughing and looking at someone we can't see. She's wearing black trousers and a black shirt, with a red jacket on (there seems to be a sticker on her jacket, with Speedway something written). I must confess she's very very pretty... Walter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Thu Oct 9 08:37:05 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:37:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: miming References: Message-ID: <343C89A1.E1D68DA@mcmail.com> > the lip-synching policy. Do they still make the > performers sing-along to a tape or do they actually > perform these days? Well as far as I can tell it's all lip-synched... don't watch it anymore though... all those nothing chart soul acts and solo female singers and ancient past-it 'legends'... although maybe those that do can tell me different. There's always, of course, the odd Boyzone or whatever who get the mike and go, mid-song, "Boyzone on top of the pops again this christmas, bless you all" or whatever... Saw Baby Bird play on a TV music prog once, where he sang, "because you're gorgeous/and yes I'm singing live"... these stars eh... Do we think B&S would insist on being live? - given the erm, unpolished nature of their live shows, it could be interesting :) (of course, the secret to good miming is to say what the hell and make it really obvious... like all thses backing vocals coming out of nowhere or something, or deliberately missing words... it's always more fun to watch when they#re ripping the piss) Love Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bsp01e at xxx.uk Thu Oct 9 17:03:48 1997 From: bsp01e at xxx.uk (william philip bowen#]) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:03:48 PDT Subject: Sinister: GOODBYE Message-ID: Just a goodbye, even though I did not know you and you did not know me! Am signing off as I've come to the end of my University course and no longer have e-mail facilities. Thanks for the interesting chat and the boring drivel - but that's life eh! Just hoping that Belle and Sebastian will always remain interesting and quirky - be they famous or cultish chic. Hwyl fawr, Philip ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Oct 9 09:27:11 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:27:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Top of the Pops and the last mention of Leicester's finest teddy boy combo. Message-ID: <01BCD495.8638DB60@rainbow.qss.co.uk> The other important reference point for seekers of Showaddywaddy-isms is the song "A Little Bit of Soap" by De La Soul, which (if I'm not embarrassingly mistaken) contains a sample of our new heroes just before the fade out. I wonder if their lawyers are as good as James Brown's. [Keith Watson] Or the Troggs which was the fact that caused De La Soul to delay their second album by over a year clearing samples (Gyppo bastards - have they not got enough money as it is, actually Reg Presley was on the telly a month ago or so talking about his obsession with crop circles!). Yes, "Don't stand me down" is brilliant, not quite as upbeat as the other Dexy's albums but brilliant nonetheless. It was my friend Kevin who introduced me to that LP a few years ago and we've waited for it to be released on CD for a long time,now it is, it's top. Problem is it probably will be reissued cheap in a matter of months, "Too rye aye" was released about 2 years ago with loads of extra tracks for extra cash, but it's now available for loads cheaper, i.e. about 6 quid. Incidentally, which Ultra Vivid Scene LP has no writing on the sleeve? All mine appear to have writing on them, nonetheless, totally utterly brilliant band. New Order are the band who spring to mind on this point. Peter Saville having got his design idea from an article in the Sunday papers about the theory of a "Mass produced secret", i.e. that you wouldn't need to put the name on the sleeve but millions of people would still know what it was. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Oct 9 09:52:14 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 10:52:14 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Top of the Pops and the VERY last mention of Leicester's finest teddy boy combo. References: <343C022F.7C203CFE@colon.net.> Message-ID: <343C9B3E.962E8F9C@colon.net.> oc245d8aff at colon.net wrote: > > > Horrible fifties teddy boy pastiche group. Enormously > popular when some of us were little. I can't remember how > the subject came up, but it was me anyway. They're from > near where I live. I've just remembered I don't live there anymore. Some people have mentioned their fanzine interviews with B&S. Any chance of reading them? Bearing in mind that they don't stock it at the local newsagents. I'm sure something could be arranged. (Matt?) Just a thought. Peter Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Oct 9 11:58:50 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:58:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Top of the Pops and the VERY last mention of Leicester's finest teddy boy combo. Message-ID: <01BCD4AA.B5ED06F0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Some people have mentioned their fanzine interviews with B&S. Any chance of reading them? Bearing in mind that they don't stock it at the local newsagents. I'm sure something could be arranged. (Matt?) [Keith Watson] Yes.. hear hear, indeed anything of interest would be cool. I thought Duke's review of the EP was really good reading, so if anyone else has stuff of interest, stick it on. I've got a few interviews/reviews of stuff from about a year ago that I'm going to scan some time in the next week and send to the web site people if they're interested: Flyer for B+S at Moir Hall in Glasgow Programme from Moir Hall in Glasgow Interview with B+S from "The List" a month or two before IYFS came out Review of IYFS from "The List" And various other wee bits of gargbage. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Thu Oct 9 14:23:35 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:23:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: now listen, sonny Message-ID: <0039600000310067000002L072*@MHS> Sinister: now listen, sonny J Jackson (johnj at seahouses.u-net.com) Wed, 08 Oct 1997 21:40:46 +0100 the dukester: >>well i don't wanna start a fight, but actually >>andy is right... the FRONT of Snowball is just >>plain pink. It's the back that has the writing >>on. >He said "ON THE COVER" >well my Snowball has writing on the cover. >he didn't say the FRONT and he didn't say the BACK >so there >nur nur >JJ um, i meant on the front. the new b&s does have the info on the back of it - there's a picture of it on dave's web site. not that cd singles have backs to them, at least not in those slimline cases, the cd gets in the way... kudos to b&s for using album cases for singles btw. >There was a rather nice t-shirt at the time >though (not officially catalogued, but sold by >Sarah at shows alongside the 'leaf' design) that >was a purple square with 'the field mice' in >black in a corner. i have one of these and have only ever seen one other (at a boo radleys / wedding present gig in aylesbury years ago). mine was a 23rd birthday present and jo who bought it for me had hassled all the band to sign it. 'rock on - harvey williams' it says... weeks before that, before snowball was released, i'd asked clare if there were any official fm t-shirts and she suggested i made my own - 'the cover of the new lp will probably be easiest'. ha. i wore it to the gig that september and clare recognised me because of it, first time we'd met... andy who'd put some tellytubby stuff here again today except this morning's episode (the 7:15 one anyway) was so dull. oh, except for po's tai chi when she was demonstrating the tubby custard machine... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Thu Oct 9 15:38:40 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:38:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: tom tom club Message-ID: <0039600000311656000002L062*@MHS> Re: girls in pop-rock-indieness Cheryl Gilbert (cgilbert at esg.nl) Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:15:37 +0200 >Tina Weymouth of the Talking Heads and the Tom >Tom Club... there's an advert on british tv at the moment which is all about the value of words (it's for vodaphone) and most of the text that flashes up on screen is taken from wordy rapping hood (or whatever it's called). some of this text is read out over the jingly music that's playing but the music isn't the original stuff but something airy fairy. i wonder if the ad agency actually credited / paid the tom tom club for the words or whether they tried to pass it off as their own work... (it's about now that somebody points out that it wasn't the tom tom club that did this or something. i'm not entirely sure. before my time (he says, lying)) oh, and you all forgot to mention tiffany... 8) andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Oct 9 15:43:09 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:43:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: tom tom club Message-ID: <01BCD4CA.0C03CFF0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> there's an advert on british tv at the moment which is all about the value of words (it's for vodaphone) and most of the text that flashes up on screen is taken from wordy rapping hood (or whatever it's called). some of this text is read out over the jingly music that's playing but the music isn't the original stuff but something airy fairy. i wonder if the ad agency actually credited / paid the tom tom club for the words or whether they tried to pass it off as their own work... [Keith Watson] There's a number of things like this at the moment... The BT ad has a tune that's almost exactly like the intro to Blur's "The Universal" which I'll bet they haven't paid for (mind you, I'll bet Blur haven't shelled out loads of money to David Bowie for their current single!). About 10 years ago on "That's Life" there was a case where the woman who'd written "Didn't we have a lovely time the day we went to Bangor", which was a number 3 hit for Fiddler's Dram in 1979 (pop pickers) complained about not receiving any money from Anchor butter (Didn't we have a lovely day the time we ate some Anchor or something). So it's pretty commonplace, the problem is, the law doesn't actually penalise people for not volunteering payment, it just forces them to pay the just amount if they're taken to court, so they might as well try and get away with it. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From timminsc at xxx.ie Thu Oct 9 15:50:47 1997 From: timminsc at xxx.ie (timminsc) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:50:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy In-Reply-To: <343B6EC1.836736C4@colon.net.> References: <01BCD3D0.F57ED6C0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971009155047.007ad7c0@mail.tcd.ie> What is the B&S Quiz???????? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Thu Oct 9 17:51:39 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:51:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: tom tom club Message-ID: <0039600000313367000002L072*@MHS> how did that get here? sorry. andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Thu Oct 9 18:48:40 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:48:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: MERCHANDISE UPDATE Message-ID: <343D18F8.661D039C@virgin.net> Just to let you all know what the stock levels are in case you want to order: -- Consider everything as in stock, except; Ink Polaroids, low stock, may sell out within a week or two, then there's a delay for Stuart to top these up (remember these are only available to Credit Card customers). Enamel Badge, SOLD OUT, but we are making more, these won't be available until the first week of November. If you have just placed an order with us, please get in touch and say whether you'd like to wait for the new badges or want us to just send your order now. Green/Yellow Bus T-shirt in Large, low stock, may sell out within a week or two, more are on order but these will arrive in three weeks. Hence there may be a delay in supplying this. All records are available except the new one and the Lazy Line 12". Anyway, that's it. A few changes have been made to the ordering system, you can now enter comments when you submit an order, this means you can correct mistakes or just ask questions or for us to mail you to say we got the order. Also Credit Card orders were being sent out on the day they arrived, there is now a two day delay just to give you a chance to correct any mistakes you may have made. David Kitchen Belle and Sebastian Fan Club -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacques.buron at xxx.fr Thu Oct 9 22:02:55 1997 From: jacques.buron at xxx.fr (Walter) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 21:02:55 +0000 Subject: Sinister: B&S in Paris References: <01BCD4AA.B5ED06F0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <343D467F.1057@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Good news! B&S will be in Paris on november 10th. For those of you who could be here, it's at La Fleche d'Or, 102 rue de Bagnolet in the 20th (8.30 PM)... And the gig will be free for those who have a 3-days ticket for the Inrockuptibles Festival. Ask me if you need to know anything else. Walter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mlang at xxx.com Thu Oct 9 23:15:20 1997 From: mlang at xxx.com (Matrix) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:15:20 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Best records of all time.... Message-ID: I have gotten a little bit of a picture of what the people on this list listen to but I thought I would throw my hat in the ring with something a bit more concrete... my top ten favorite records of all time (I think Sinister would probably be in the fifties somewhere). Anyway, here they are: 1. Elvis Costello & The Attractions- Blood & Chocolate (1986) 2. Joni Mitchell- The Hissing of Summer Lawns (1975) 3. De La Soul is Dead (1991) 4. Van Morrison- Astral Weeks (1968) 5. Game Theory- Lolita Nation (1987) 6. Yes- Close to the Edge (1972) 7. Joni Mitchell- Blue (1971) 8. Pink Floyd- Dark Side of the Moon (1973) 9. Liz Phair- Exile in Guyville (1993) 10.PM Dawn- Of the Heart, the Soul and of the Cross (1991) The one most of you have probably not heard of is Game Theory's Lolita Nation. Game Theory's lead singer/songwriter Scott Miller is THE most under rated songwriter of all time. His newer incarnation of Game Theory is called the Loud Family and I heartily recommend all of the records in his canon. matrix ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Fri Oct 10 03:45:55 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 02:45:55 +0000 Subject: Sinister: I'm back! Message-ID: <199710100137.CAA32764@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> I've been in email limbo for the last week, having received no list stuff due to BT shafting my Provider (ooer!). I had a hell of a job resubscribing - finally having to subscribe from the website itself! And after a few days away what do I find you chatting about - TOTP and showaddywaddy!!! Bloody hell!! Richard Hutt wrote on 26/9/97 >Oh and a question before I depart into the hills. I get the sneaking >suspicion that a number of listers, indeed, perhaps even the band, may >share a common past. So, then, how many of you were, between the years >of 1985 and 1989, what was referred to as "cuties"? Oh come on, admit >it. There's no shame in it now. My anorak was green and had fuzzy orange >lining. Since I won't be around to hear the answer, would anyone care to >explain those topsy - turvy years that seem so much a part of B & S, at >least to me, to those that weren't around? I don't think anybody bothered, but at the risk of bringing up an old thread � I've been as busy as the proverbial bee and tracked down an article which, though probably not definitive, should go a long way to explaining to non-UK listers what the indie/twee/cutie scene was about. I'm sure you'll be able to link some of it to the manner in which we regard our heroes, the relevance of 'proper' songs, feyness, 'Britishness', the list could go on and on. Anyway, I've enclosed it as a text file(only 26K) and am sure you'll find it interesting, even if you're from the UK. By the way, my anorak was reversible, cream or brown depending on mood, but I was never a hard-core cutie (honest!). Bye for now, Paul, "Go to work on an Egg" - The Egg Marketing Board -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cuties text.SIT Type: application/mac-binhex40 Size: 7223 bytes Desc: not available URL: From d.kitchen at xxx.net Fri Oct 10 09:46:26 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:46:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian e-mail version of the mail-out Message-ID: <343DEB62.7E1C5E27@virgin.net> Belle and Sebastian The 3..6..9 Seconds Of Light mail-out -- Hello! It's nearly the end of the Summer now, and as we edge into Autumn, Belle and Sebastian release the last of their Summer e.p's. The "3..6..9 Seconds Of Light" e.p. will be released on Monday 13th October, but you can read loads about that on the next page. First though, gigs!! The few of you who managed to get in to the 2 New York gigs (which were apparently brilliant - I'm relying on the over-enthusing on the Internet list for this info!), were lucky enough to see Belle and Sebastian perform a few songs that they've not played in the UK yet! We're assured that Barcelona was the same, epic venue and an epic concert. Oh well, I suppose we did have Kelvingrove and the Union Chapel, which were epic in their own way. The bit where everyone stood at in the middle of a song at the Union Chapel will always give me goosebumps. So naturally, we're dead ecstatic that they're trying to get some more gigs off the ground for the Autumn and Winter. For the foreseeable future they've scheduled these gigs: November: Paris: Belle and Sebastian have been asked to play at an old Railway Station in Paris on Monday, November 10th. As this isn't yet confirmed, we regrettably can't give you all the specifics about tickets and where you can get them. However, keep your eyes on the press and we'll be doing a mail-out for you as well, once we have all the details confirmed. December: Manchester: 2 or 3 gigs are currently pencilled in around Christmas. Venue details are yet to be confirmed. The band really do want to play here and although we can say that they are playing, we can't say where. We're pretty sure that the NME and MM will fall over each other to try and get this news first to you, but don't worry, when we do the next mail-out (once all the gig details are worked out) we'll try and make sure that it's before the press know about it. After all, you've been supporting them for ages, and it's only fair to help you get hold of the tickets before a blagging journo gets to know what's happening. London: Of all the not yet confirmed gigs this is the most tentatively arranged one. It is not confirmed, actually it's not even certain if the band will play this. But, the idea is there and we'll let you know on the next mail-out whether it's any more than a pipeline dream. So there you have it! We're sorry that we've not got any definite details or confirmed venues and such, but we promise you that the moment that we have everything confirmed, we'll create a quick mail-out and update you all. -- 3..6..9 Seconds Of Light e.p. The new e.p. by Belle and Sebastian will be released in the UK on 13th October 1997. It will contain the following four tracks: A Century Of Fakers Le Pastie De La Bourgeoisie Beautiful Put The Book Back On The Shelf After the last song is a bonus 'hidden' track entitled "Songs For Children" which is not mentioned on the sleeves of the record. So really, it's a five-track EP! All the songs can be found on both the CD and 12", whereas the 7" will just have the first two. This time round there shouldn't be any problems with finding the e.p. Our Price, HMV, Virgin, Tower etc., will all hold stock of the single. Of course we'd rather you pop down to your local indie store, but if you don't have a local indie, then just pop into Our Price instead! If you have any problems finding your copy, you can still recite the catalogue and distribution details to the assistant. The e.p. is distributed by 3mv/Vital for Jeepster Recordings Ltd., and the catalogue no's are JPRCDS003 for the CD, and JPR12003 and JPR7003 for the 12" and 7" respectively. If you live outside the UK you can order a copy on-line by visiting http://www.roughtrade.com/ We think we should try and explain the cover artwork to you 'cos there's something a little unique about it. Unlike every other record I could name, there is no text of any kind on the front sleeve, as such you're unlikely to see the words "Belle and Sebastian" screaming at you from a space in the racking. The sleeve is a white affair with an image of a certain Stuart Murdoch and friend in a silver ink, sort of like a silver sepia thing. We think it's lovely, and the best B&S sleeve yet! Videos have been made for both Century and Pastie. We expect that MTV and the Chart Show will just pick their favourite song out of the two, and show that one. The Century video has Isobel doing sign language and wearing angel's wings, Sarah appearing to be someone from Star Wars and apparently there's loads of snogging! "Tongues and all!", says Katrina from across the room. Naturally I'm as keen as you are to see that one! - e-mail version update! the video planned for Pastie has been cancelled last minute when it was realised that to apply the effects to the film they would have o re-shoot the video, this means there is only ONE video - On the European front, Sinister has now been released in 9 territories and is selling well. We've now got the distribution details that we didn't have last time plus a little more. Firstly the catalogue no. for the CD is 8446012, the cassette's no. is 8446014. The cassette version is only available in France, however the CD is available in France, Germany, Austria, Greece, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium and Holland. It is released by the Virgin France subsidiary label Delabel. If you have any problems finding your copy in the shops, please let us know, and we'll try to find the closest stockist to you (or, see below). As for the United States, Belle and Sebastian are rumoured to be on the verge of a deal with Matador Records. You may already know of what happened with The Enclave, but if not, basically put, they went under. Not due to B&S, mainly due to their parent company EMI deciding to streamline, or whatever that means. When a deal is finalised we'll let you know straight away. If you find you're having trouble getting copies of Belle and Sebastian's older releases, we can now help you. All back catalogue titles - excluding Tigermilk which is still unavailable - are now available from the fanclub by using the merchandise form enclosed or alternatively over the internet. Also, we now have Credit Card facilities, which we hope will be of use to all the people for who paying a substantial charge to get a International Money Order is too much of a burden. If you still want to try and hunt the back catalogue down yourself, Mark McQuillan - he's Jeepster's label manager at 3mv - has offered to help people find out what stores closest to them have Belle and Sebastian stock. You can contact him via the fanclub either by post at the usual address, or by phone on London 0181 560 1815, and we'll find out from him for you. -- Fan Club Things Last page now, and so comes all the admin stuff and special things that we dream up for you! Something just in time for Autumn/Winter is our NEW pen-pal service. All it means, is that we'll act as the middle-men between you contacting other fans. If you would like to write to other Belle and Sebastian fans, (and wouldn't mind letting someone else write to you), then all you have to do is write a short piece describing yourself (including your name and address somewhere), and post it in to us at the address below, marking the front of the envelope "Pen-pals". Make sure to include an A4/Letter sized postage paid envelope for the reply, as when we've got enough to make a little booklet introducing you to each other, we'll type it up and post it back to you in your envelope. This will not go to the general mailing list, only those who have 'subscribed' to this service by placing their own descriptive piece will receive the booklet. I met someone special via writing once, and I hope that someone else will find a friend through this. The Official Internet site has been updated by Stuart David and now includes 'Little Ink Movies'. If you find yourself wandering around cyberspace and find a moment to pay a visit, the location is http://www.totalweb.co.uk/belleandsebastian/ . If you'd like to subscribe to the most active and entertaining mailing list that we've ever seen, then follow the link from Stuart David's site or send a message containing the words 'subscribe sinister' in the body of the message to majordomo at majordomo.net . Honey is the list admin guy and welcomes everyone who loves Belle and Sebastian. A last location for you to take a peek at would be the fanclub site run by myself and Katrina at http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm (please note change of address). You can order merchandise from there and read the lyrics to records you may not yet own, and if that's not enough, there's links to every other Belle and Sebastian site that we know of. And that's about it for this issue! Oh, we've had a few people asking how the "Lazy Line Painter Jane" e.p. did, and we're pleased to announce that is was Belle and Sebastian's biggest hit to date, by debuting in at number 41 on the charts in the first week! We've been told that the new e.p. is going to make an even bigger dent on that naughty forty, so tune in to Radio One on Sunday the 19th October to see how well it went! One last thing, for those of you who have just joined and an update for those of you who received the early mail-outs. David and Katrina run the fanclub, we do it for love and a little bit of money (just enough to cover costs, honest!). David used to be unemployed but is now a bookseller, he lives on the computer and his favourite three Belle and Sebastian songs are currently 'I Could Be Dreaming', 'Century Of Fakers' and 'Rhoda'. Katrina's become Mark Jones's (Jeepster guy) slave and spends her time cooing, 'Hello Jeepster ' at everyone. Her favourite three songs are currently 'Simple Things', 'Electronic Renaissance' and 'Slow Graffiti'. Don't ask us for copies of these, we don't own all of them, we simply heard them at gigs months ago and still walk around mumbling what we believe to be the words, we get proved wrong most of the time though. I thought that 'make a new cult everyday ' from 'Stars Of Track And Field' was really 'hate a new coat everyday ', and if that wasn't bad enough you should read what other people made of other lyrics, actually we'll put it in the next mail-out! PS: the one thing we havn't really mentioned in this is that we've got a new ordering system, new T-shirts and now stock the back catalogue of Belle and Sebastian. You can order by Credit Card and view things first, just visit the merchandise page at http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/merchandise.htm to see more. ******************************************************************** Belle and Sebastian Belle and Sebastian, PO Box 14153, London, SW11 4XU, ENGLAND. http://www.totalweb.co.uk/belleandsebastian/ ******************************************************************** Belle and Sebastian Fan Club http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeepster.uk at xxx.net Fri Oct 10 10:22:08 1997 From: jeepster.uk at xxx.net (Katrina House) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:22:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S in Paris References: <01BCD4AA.B5ED06F0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> <343D467F.1057@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <343DF3C0.302E@virgin.net> Walter wrote: > > Good news! B&S will be in Paris on november 10th. For those of you who could > be here, it's at La Fleche d'Or, 102 rue de Bagnolet in the 20th (8.30 PM)... > > And the gig will be free for those who have a 3-days ticket for the > Inrockuptibles Festival. > > Ask me if you need to know anything else. > > Walter Umm, I hate to do this to everyone, but there is a chance that the band are not going to play this gig due to recording commitments. PLEASE don't buy your flights or anything until it's all confirmed, and i promise you'll be the first to know. Contrary to what Walter has said, there may be a charge for the gig as well to cover costs. I PROMISE to keep you all posted. Sorry ... :( (i'm as miserable as you all, as my trip to Paris for the gig was going to be a special birthday pressie from the boy. I sooo hope they play ...!) Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Fri Oct 10 10:37:50 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:37:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Favourite LP's Message-ID: <01BCD568.8F1D2BE0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Well. In no order at all, and at what is probably a list of the albums I've listened to most... The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk Talk Talk - Laughing Stock The KLF - Chill Out My Bloody Valentine - Loveless The Who - Who's Next The Byrds - Younger than Yesterday DJ Shadow - Endtroducing John Martyn - Solid Air Marvin Gaye - What's going on Public Enemy - Fear of a black planet De La Soul - 3 feet high and rising Kraftwerk - Computer World Tom Verlaine - Tom Verlaine Television - Adventure Nick Drake - Bryter Later Crosby Stills Nash + Young - So Far Rolling Stones - Let it Bleed Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland Ultra Vivid Scene - Joy 1967-1990 Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas Brian Eno - On Land Talking Heads - Remain in Light Christ I could go on all day... lets leave it at that for the moment Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Fri Oct 10 12:06:32 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:06:32 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Rough Guide entry Message-ID: <343E0C37.C26DC9C3@colon.net.> This is designed to set the ball rolling.... The meek might not inherit the earth, but Belle and Sebastian will be sitting there quietly until the very last vote is counted. Their songs are snapshots of the twilight autumnal teatime of the soul, populated by perverted vicars, lovelorn school kids, Sid James and a brussel sprout called Elvis. Eight people make up Belle and Sebastian. They are Stuart "Stewpot" Murdoch, an ex-amateur boxer with lyrical hotline to the emotionally orphaned; Chris Geddes, the alarming result of an LSD drenched sexual union between Rick Wakeman and Worzel Gummidge; Sarah Martin, a roller-skating stylophone, xylophone and telephone whizz; Isobel Campbell, a one-woman string quartet and tambourine thumper; Stuart David, paving the way with his monolithic bass foundation shakers; Stevie Jackson, whose delicate guitar runs recall Mike Oldfield at his best; Mick Cooke; trumpet vounteer with the patience of a saint, and last but not least, Richard Colburn, extended drum solos made to measure. They met over butterfly cakes and tea at a church hall fund raising function. Only 1000 copies were pressed of their debut album, "Tigermilk". It namechecked Funkadelic and The Velvet Underground, but managed to avoid sounding like either. The lyrical pivot was "do something pretty while you can". The follow-up LP, "If You're Feeling Sinister" showed a wider public that the group had lost none of their charm or quirkiness, but were maturing into a tight group that packed a "get yer boots on" punch when necessary. Sporadic live appearances delighted the devoted and infuriated some non-believers. Oasis conquered Knebworth, Belle and Sebastian's Kelvingrove Park festival disappeared in the Glasgow drizzle. Poetic justice. Three EPs followed, increasing in competence and confidence. A trip to New York earned the band favourable reviews in staid publications such as The New York Times and the legendary New Yorker magazine. A triumphal concert in a medieval square in Barcelona was a fitting climax to a hazy summer for Belle and Sebastian. Record company interest is said to be at a high level, with rumours of a Terry Thomas vintage car chase across Europe in search of the near mythical "Tigermilk" mastertapes. Records. If You're Feeling Sinister LP (Jeepster) A treat for jaded ears. Vicars base sermons around it. 3, 6, 9 Seconds of Light EP (Jeepster) Gentle and rollicking in equal amounts. Good for the soul. That's it. Anything to add, delete, whatever? Anybody else going to have a go? Forgive me if 36 entries have already arrived this morning, I am now a digestive member of the list. But I have a feeling I'll be changing back sooner or later. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Fri Oct 10 12:21:19 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:21:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Rough Guide entry In-Reply-To: <343E0C37.C26DC9C3@colon.net.> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 oc245d8aff at colon.net wrote: > This is designed to set the ball rolling.... > That's it. Anything to add, delete, whatever? Anybody else > going to have a go? Forgive me if 36 entries have already > arrived this morning, I am now a digestive member of the > list. But I have a feeling I'll be changing back sooner or > later. OK well I'll put it with the others :) I was beginning to wonder whether this idea was a goner but I think this is a rollicking good read - anything that mentions Terry Thomas gets my vote. My only feeling is we need some more history - mythical if necessary. I'm not equipped to supply it - can anyone else? I was a bit worried about the (ahem) "seriousness" of their other entries until I re-read the Spinal Tap entry. Others should feel free to send alternative complete entries. I'm sure we can mix and match. I mailed Rough Guides about whether they are interested in a B&S entry per se, but no reply yet. Other stuff: 1. More guitar tabs, this time from Ben T, of two Tigermilk songs - ta Ben! Now at http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/chords.html 2. Does anyone get the footers to list messages messed up (i.e. last letter repeated as in "sinisterr"...)? If so could you tell me what mailer you are using? 3. Hello to our member from Thailand. I'd love to know how you heard about B&S! Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Fri Oct 10 15:39:05 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:39:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: fanzine interviews Message-ID: <0039600000321828000002L082*@MHS> well, people were asking about these and i have a copy of matt n's fanzine and permission to include it on the web site, i just haven't had the time to transcribe it... sometime soon though. (i'd also been a bit dubious about doing it as i thought matt would rather sell people copies than have them read the juicy parts on the web but it turns out he's now out of copies so...) and if anyone has another interviews they'd like to share (the village voice one would be nice, and the new yorker) then just send them here and i'll put them up somewhere. andy andrew.dean at bull.net shuddering at the thought of tinky winky goose-stepping. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cleonard at xxx.COM Fri Oct 10 10:01:43 1997 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:01:43 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Smoking Message-ID: I gave up smoking on Tuesday. Why? Cos of nasty coughs and money and cancer and stuff. I am now very crabbit indeed, and it hurts, but I shall suceed. Does anyone wan't to give up with me? We could like support each other and throw cyber buckets of water over each others heads if we cyber smell cyber smoke. All this is relevant because of what I'm about to say. Do Belle And Sebastian smoke? What Flavour? from Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From paulf at xxx.uk Fri Oct 10 23:37:05 1997 From: paulf at xxx.uk (Paul Forsyth) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:37:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S page Message-ID: <343EAE10.9FCA8DD2@scs.leeds.ac.uk> Hi all, Late on Friday night and what do I do... Write a web page on Belle and Sebastian! Kind of. It's URL is below, and belongs to a family of pages I've started to write, all about what I like to muse about at the mo. Hope you all like it! Cheers Paul http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/paulf/home/pleasure/creations/10mins/10_10_97/ Scotland, Scotland, boo to Latvia. ____________________________________ / \ Paul Forsyth / E: paulf at scs.leeds.ac.uk \ Computer Science { W: http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/paulf/ } University Of Leeds \ P: +44-113-233-6789 / Leeds LS2 9JT \____________________________________/ United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Sat Oct 11 03:48:49 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 97 02:48:49 +0000 Subject: Sinister: I'm back apologising! Message-ID: <199710110139.CAA09258@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> >I've been as busy as the proverbial bee and tracked down an article which, >though probably not definitive, should go a long way to explaining to >non-UK listers what the indie/twee/cutie scene was about. >�Anyway, I've enclosed it as a text file(only 26K) and am sure you'll find >it interesting, even if you're from the UK. Keith Watson tells me that the file was gibberish. It seems that I sent it compressed for the Mac (default setting). Apparently PC users can't read Mac encoded files � not fair since Macs can read PC files. Pesky PCs. Anyway, I've re-sent it Base 64 encoded and uncompressed as plain text. If it's still gibberish please mail me. I still think it's worth a read! Bye, Paul "Go to work on an Egg" - The Egg Marketing Board -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wild are the winds to meet you Staunch are the friends that greet you Kind as the love that shines From fair maidens eyes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacques.buron at xxx.fr Sat Oct 11 16:15:43 1997 From: jacques.buron at xxx.fr (Walter) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:15:43 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Isobel's favourite LP's References: <01BCD568.8F1D2BE0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <343F981F.7AD0@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Found in Les Inrockupibles n°114 (august 1997) : Isobel's top 5 : Orange Juice "You can't hide your love forever", The Velvet Underground & Nico, Go-Betweens "16 lovers Lane", Felt... I know, there are only 4. She just forgot the fifth one... Stuart agrees and adds : Lawrence Felt Nick Drake. Walter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Sat Oct 11 19:04:31 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:04:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: happy happy... Message-ID: <343FBFAE.4D968C8A@mcmail.com> Walked into the Vinyl Exchange today... and what should be playing but the LLPJ CD! It was Photo Jenny at the time... then along comes Elvis and I suddenly forgot all the words- thus losing a chance to recite them all as I flicked through the tapes and show off my innate musical taste and knowledge :) - ah well there's always next time Just a happy little moment in a normal little day... I defend my posting of it with the fact that it's more damn related than some of the stuff you older&wiser people send *smile* Off to rent a video now and finish letters [to two members of this list as it happens!]... keep on lovin', ppl... Oh, and a friend and I listened to a song we wrote ages ago today..........and realised it was *really* B&S... dammit.... talk about pre-empting influences! This happen to anyone else? love Kate xxx "no harm can come to me when i'm in your company" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Sat Oct 11 19:09:55 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:09:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: files References: <199710110139.CAA09258@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: <343FC0F3.723DA393@mcmail.com> Excuse me if I'm out of line here, but isn't it generally considered a bad idea to send file attachments to mailing lists? -- just because they can crash computers or connections, or take ages to download... this applies especially to pictures and sounds. I know textfiles aren't really big or anything, but I received a mail a while back that was obviously *meant* to go to the whole list, which had an .exe attachment, which *did* screw up my mail server connection and took several minutes to DL... so is there any chance we could only send file attachments by private mail, for the sake of listmembers who don't want to, or can't, receive them? - this has been list policy for every list I've been on... Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Sat Oct 11 19:30:04 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:30:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Isobel's favourite LP's References: <01BCD568.8F1D2BE0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> <343F981F.7AD0@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <343FC5AC.E5C74108@mail.zynet.co.uk> Walter wrote: > Found in Les Inrockupibles n°114 (august 1997) : > > Isobel's top 5 : > Orange Juice "You can't hide your love forever", > > The Velvet Underground & Nico, > Go-Betweens "16 lovers Lane", > Felt... > I know, there are only 4. She just forgot the > fifth one... > > Stuart agrees and adds : > Lawrence Felt > Nick Drake. isobel is obviously graced with the taste of angels. didn't say a particular felt record did she? so hard to choose just one anyway :-) on the subject though, i find it weird that, let's say she's 20, yeah? i think i heard that or read that somewhere, yeah? well i just find it a bit funny that all the LPs she's listing would have been out when she was, lets see... 5, not even a flicker, 9 and somewhere between 3 and 13. i don't mean to sound cynical but, ahem surely no teenager is THAT hip? unless, ooh weird concept, Isobel is actually like the character in my new book and has actually been a 30 year old in a 16 year olds' body :-) This would answer a lot... Perhaps the whole group are like this. Except Stuart M who is the mad scientist who's been overseeing these crazy experiments. Erm, sorry, getting carried away . I just think it's a little bit sad that someone who was 15 in 1992 wouldn't have chosen a couple of LPs from the early 90s to be fave records. There were a few you know... maybe i'll even go off and find some and make her a tape :-) okay, meander over. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Sat Oct 11 17:58:28 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 17:58:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Paris Gig Message-ID: <343FB033.1C746701@virgin.net> Sorry guys, but the Paris gig as we know it is no longer. The band still want to play Paris, and will probably do so at a later date in November at a different venue (the promoter has suggested an old Jazz Club), but the gig on November 10th at La Fleche D'Or (or whatever it was called) is now officially cancelled. The reason being is that the promoters were not going to pay a penny towards the gig, as it was supposed to be a part of Les Inrockuptibles Festival for which they have already used up all the budget on the other bands, and therefore Delabel and later on the band would end up by paying for the gig... ...which isn't really fair, so they've cancelled and i'll tell you what's happening as soon as we know it. (this is supposed to be a Jeepster post, but i'm not a work so it's a David & Katrina one ... sorry. please send all evil, nasty replies to me at jeepster.uk at virgin.net ) SORRY :( Cheers, Katrina. -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Skreddy56 at xxx.com Sat Oct 11 23:19:20 1997 From: Skreddy56 at xxx.com (Skreddy56 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Jobs, jobs Message-ID: <971011181918_-1529047106@emout19.mail.aol.com> Just coming home from my boring job, I was wondering... does anyone in Belle and Sebastian have a job outside the band? I'd guess that they did a short time ago, but recently stopped (since they're doing some more extensive touring). Also, has anyone heard the Mike Johnson album? He's Dinosaur Jr's bassist, but it's a lot calmer than they are. --Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Sun Oct 12 00:29:45 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 00:29:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Isobel's favourite LP's References: <01BCD568.8F1D2BE0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> <343F981F.7AD0@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <343FC5AC.E5C74108@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <34400BE9.FFB8B5BB@mcmail.com> > funny that all the LPs she's listing would have > been out when she was, lets see... 5, not even a > flicker, 9 and somewhere between 3 and 13. i > don't mean to sound cynical but, ahem surely no > teenager is THAT hip? Nah, she's probably just a retrospective listener like so many of us these days (I for one number Soft Cell and Propaganda and Supremes records among my favourites, and am but sixteen years of age at present...) Still, I guess it IS kind of weird that she doesn't like ANY of her 'contemporaries'. But then since half of *them* sound like diluted sixties/seventies/eighties greats anyway...no don't get me started! :) Love Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Sun Oct 12 00:32:10 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 00:32:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: irc Message-ID: <34400C7A.60A3A04B@mcmail.com> anyone here frequent #nmechat? kate aka 'sasha' (bored @ home!!!) x ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Sun Oct 12 00:47:48 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 00:47:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Isobel's favourite LP's In-Reply-To: <343FC5AC.E5C74108@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: > > on the subject though, i find it weird that, let's > say she's 20, yeah? i think i heard that or read > that somewhere, yeah? well i just find it a bit > funny that all the LPs she's listing would have > been out when she was, lets see... 5, not even a > flicker, 9 and somewhere between 3 and 13. i > don't mean to sound cynical but, ahem surely no > teenager is THAT hip? unless, ooh weird concept, > Isobel is actually like the character in my new > book and has actually been a 30 year old in a 16 > year olds' body :-) This would answer a lot... > Perhaps the whole group are like this. Except > Stuart M who is the mad scientist who's been > overseeing these crazy experiments. Erm, sorry, > getting carried away . I just think it's a little > bit sad that someone who was 15 in 1992 wouldn't > have chosen a couple of LPs from the early 90s to > be fave records. There were a few you know... > maybe i'll even go off and find some and make her > a tape :-) > > the duke Personally, I'm a mere 20 myself, but I own lots of CDs that were released before I was born, never mind ones which came out when I was 15. Sometimes I just find a record I really like and then work my way through their back catalogue, or get things by people I've been told about, or whatever. I only went out and got some Nick Drake because people had told me B&S sounded like him, and now I love his music too. I don't find it at all strange that someone should like stuff that came out before they had sufficient taste to like it; hell, ten years ago I was buying Kylie albums :-(. Good music is good music no matter how old it is, and once it has been released it is just waiting there for someone to discover and fall in love with it, be it the next day or 20 years later. Maybe in 20 years time loads of new bands who are currently still in nappies will be quoting B&S as a major influence... Stuart G P.S. Anyone out there who's expecting tapes from me at the moment, I changed e-mail addresses a couple of weeks back when I came back to uni, so I haven't got copies of any e-mail requests you may have sent me last month any more. All tapes I've received are either in the post or will be on Monday, but if anyone else is expecting something you'd better e-mail me again (sorry!). While I'm on the subject, if anyone else out there wants dubs of Tigermilk / Radcliffe Sessions / Evening Session from last month, drop me a line, I've got through my current batch now. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Sun Oct 12 10:51:40 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 02:51:40 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Isobel's favourite LP's References: Message-ID: <34409DAC.7B06@earthlink.net> Stuart Gardiner wrote: > > > > > > on the subject though, i find it weird that, let's > > say she's 20, yeah? i think i heard that or read > > that somewhere, yeah? well i just find it a bit > > funny that all the LPs she's listing would have > > been out when she was, lets see... 5, not even a > > flicker, 9 and somewhere between 3 and 13. i > > don't mean to sound cynical but, ahem surely no > > teenager is THAT hip? > > Personally, I'm a mere 20 myself, but I own lots of CDs that were released > before I was born, never mind ones which came out when I was 15. Sometimes > I just find a record I really like and then work my way through their back > catalogue, or get things by people I've been told about, or whatever. alright. i know "duke" isn't trying to say us younguns shouldn't listen to the older bands and i know he's not being rude about it, but i'm gonna throw my two cents in anyway. i was born in '74, so growing up left me with little other than billy joel and bryan adams, then later on motley crue and guns n roses.....so it wasn't until '89 when i got into the good stuff. smiths. morrissey. felt. stone roses. but now some of my favorite bands are bands that were probably on the verge of breaking up or broken up before i had ever heard of them. felt. velvet underground. smiths. dream syndicate (are they still together?). love. talking heads. the feelies. so on and so on. (i hate nick drake). so, it's not so unusual to like bands that you didn't grow up with. i'd be hard pressed to find someone who still absolutely loves what they did when they were 13 and 14. if that was the case, i'd be on the motley crue mailing list talking about how whitesnake are posers. good bands are good bands. it doesn't matter if you grew up with them or not. and one other question. my cd copy of "me and a monkey on the moon" has an odd shape to it. it's round and everything, but it's kind of like two differnet sized layers. i don't know how to explain. anyway, does anyone else have this problem or do i have a bum cd. it only plays half the time cause it seems to be a cheaply manufactured cd. any thoughts? -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Sun Oct 12 21:45:28 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:45:28 -0700 Subject: Sinister: sorry Message-ID: <344136E8.2F92@earthlink.net> hey. i was trying to reply to stuart gardiner, and it came back unknown user...so now i have to post it to the list. this is meant for stuart gardiner. Stuart Gardiner wrote: > While I'm on the subject, if anyone else out there > wants dubs of Tigermilk / Radcliffe Sessions / Evening Session from last > month, drop me a line, I've got through my current batch now. > hey. i would very much like a copy of both of the sessions. could you mail me back and let me know exactly what songs these are and if i should send you a tape or money or dirt or whatever you want in exchange. thanks. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 09:31:50 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:31:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Today at last! Message-ID: <01BCD7BA.D619B870@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Cool, today I can finally go out and buy the new EP. That ought to keep me happy at work for the next 6 years or so... Bought the Suede B sides collection in Saturday, just to say that I'd heartily recommend it to anyone, put it this way, I've got virtually all (original Suede) B sides anyway, and figured it was well worth shelling out for this record just so's I could listen to them all together, and more often. The B sides I would say, at least for the "Bernard Butler Years" were definitely better than the actual album tracks. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Mon Oct 13 09:46:14 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:46:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: files In-Reply-To: <343FC0F3.723DA393@mcmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, Kate Dornan wrote: > Excuse me if I'm out of line here, but isn't it generally considered a > bad idea to send file attachments to mailing lists? Kate - yes you've reminded me this is often the safest approach and doesn't exclude people with older software. I'll stick it in the FAQ and if anyone needs to include non-ASCII text stuff just send it to me and I'll put it up on the website below. So come on then, has anyone bought it yet - legit? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Mon Oct 13 10:08:26 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:08:26 +0200 Subject: Sinister: the vicar or whatever... Message-ID: One question: who is Seymour Stein? ///Klas (who is 22 years old and my top 5 list actually includes Red House Painters and some other nineties stuff - like Belle And Sebastian:-)) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 10:06:42 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:06:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the vicar or whatever... Message-ID: <01BCD7BF.B5107010@rainbow.qss.co.uk> One question: who is Seymour Stein? [Keith Watson] Head of Sire Records... Signed Talking Heads, Richard Hell and the Voidoids, The Dead Boys, Madonna, The Smiths, Echo and the Bunnymen, James and so on. Klas... sorry, haven't yet got in touch with Athole, it's proving quite difficult to get his new phone number, I tried this weekend but to no avail. I'm sure I'll find out some time soon. Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mbge5dss at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 10:19:15 1997 From: mbge5dss at xxx.uk (The Spod) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:19:15 BST Subject: Sinister: happy happy... In-Reply-To: <343FBFAE.4D968C8A@mcmail.com> Message-ID: <2215FCD7114@fs1.eng.man.ac.uk> > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:04:31 +0100 > From: Kate Dornan > To: Sinister at ph.ed.ac.uk > Subject: Sinister: happy happy... > Reply-to: Kate Dornan > Thanks for using NetForward! > http://www.netforward.com > v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > > Walked into the Vinyl Exchange today... and what should be playing but > the LLPJ CD! It was Photo Jenny at the time... then along comes Elvis > and I suddenly forgot all the words- thus losing a chance to recite them > all as I flicked through the tapes and show off my innate musical taste > and knowledge :) - ah well there's always next time > Just a happy little moment in a normal little day... I defend my posting > of it with the fact that it's more damn related than some of the stuff > you older&wiser people send *smile* > Off to rent a video now and finish letters [to two members of this list > as it happens!]... keep on lovin', ppl... > Oh, and a friend and I listened to a song we wrote ages ago > today..........and realised it was *really* B&S... dammit.... talk about > pre-empting influences! This happen to anyone else? > > love > Kate xxx > > "no harm can come to me > when i'm in your company" > Yup it happened to me to cos I was also in Vinyl Exchange at the same time Wierdness!!!!!! :) Any way if these rumoured Manchester gigs are going ahead then I may be able to put up a couple of ppl but i will need to know exact dates first It will be on first mailed first served basis but if there are lots i could always ask a couple of friends to lend some space. The Spod xxxxxxx > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Mon Oct 13 12:34:20 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:34:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: i'm just about to embarrass kate... Message-ID: <0039600000336561000002L012*@MHS> >Kate Dornan (a.northern.soul at mcmail.com) >Sun, 12 Oct 1997 00:29:45 +0100 [talking about issy's lp choices] >Nah, she's probably just a retrospective listener like so >many of us these days (I for one number Soft Cell and >Propaganda and Supremes records among my favourites, and am >but sixteen years of age at present...) if you're a mere 16 years of age what are you doing knowing stuff like this from nq.guardian.co.uk?: >Am I more closely related to my mother or my brother? >ACCORDING to Richard Dawkins in his book, The Selfish Gene, >your "relatedness" is the same to each. Half of your genes >came from your mother, meaning there is a 50% chance that >any one gene is shared by yourself and your mother. But >there is also a 50% chance that your brother received that >gene, making the theoretical amount of shared genes between >you the same. However, it should be noted that whilst the >relatedness between parent and child is always exactly 50%, >the "luck of the meiotic draw" dictates that it is possible >for siblings to share more or less than 50% of their genes. >This means that to all intents and purposes you are equally >closely related to both, but in actual fact it cannot be >determined without identifying the genes of you and your >brother. >Kate Dornan, Manchester 20 (a.northern.soul at mcmail.com) (i noticed, though, that when they came to print the answer in the paper they chose the only othe answer they had (which said exactly the same thing)...) and quoting field mice lyrics too... shouldn't you be off listening to the spice girls? 8) and one of isobel's choices, the velvet underground and nico album, dates from 1967. i picked it up only after hearing it name-checked in every othe jesus and mary chain interview i ever read and was stunned to find it so contemporary sounding despite being 25 years old (at the time). i bought a copy on cd just two weeks ago too... oh, new b&s single out today and the teletext review is 3.5 this week whereas it was 4.5 last week. the two sentences of text to go with it mentions the hidden track but not much else. andy who'd be hard pushed to come up with 10 favourite lps... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 12:02:49 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:02:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: consider kate embarrassed! References: <0039600000336561000002L012*@MHS> Message-ID: <3441FFD9.EDE010BF@mcmail.com> > if you're a mere 16 years of age what are you doing knowing > stuff like this from nq.guardian.co.uk?: [snip!] I'm a reasonably well read pretentious **** with medical parents and a misplaced thirst for knowledge. Think that just about covers it! Dunno, maybe that book is ingrained on my mind cos I was reading that bit of it when our car crashed... ;) I was however quite amused to have this said to me in a resulting email: > are you by any chance a Biochemist/Biologist/Anthropologist > > /Doctor/Geneticist or all of the above? > hehehe!!! > (i noticed, though, that when they came to print the answer > in the paper they chose the only othe answer they had (which > said exactly the same thing)...) Yes, I was quite annoyed especially as I replied first! :) > and quoting field mice lyrics too... shouldn't you be off > listening to the spice girls? 8) grr... watch it you... (as a matter of fact, my field mice tape was made for me by an obsessive spice girls fan, so there you go!) enough about me already, Kate xxx (currently reading: "Conundrum" by Jan Morris) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 9759754 at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 13:10:15 1997 From: 9759754 at xxx.uk (Nathan Howie) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:10:15 +0000 Subject: Sinister: 3..6..9 Message-ID: <199710131111.MAA17539@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Have just missed my first lecture due to listening to new EP. I really don't think I'm going to be able to move from my computer(with CD) for this afternoon's lecture. Must withdraw my membership from bored at Uni club. Which was written first Fakers or Elvis ? Nathan --------------------------------------------------- Have we got soup ?, why didn't I get any soup?. --------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 13:01:41 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:01:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 3..6..9 Message-ID: <01BCD7D8.26D2ACA0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Have just missed my first lecture due to listening to new EP. I really don't think I'm going to be able to move from my computer(with CD) for this afternoon's lecture. Must withdraw my membership from bored at Uni club. Which was written first Fakers or Elvis ? Nathan [Keith Watson] Presuming that it was Fakers - heard that over a year ago... The other thing is, the version of Le Pastie de la bourgeousie is different to that one on the tape that I gave you recently - odd as all the EP tracks have been exactly the same, especially as they even include the daft end of "You made me forget my dreams" and the strange voice in the middle of "Photo Jenny" I must admit also that I don't find it in the least bit strange that people are listening to music from before they were born or whatever - I was 16 in 1989 and spent the previous 3 years listening mainly to punk stuff (Wire, Buzzcocks, Stranglers, Clash stuff like that) from when I was around about 5 or 6 years old - also listening to the Smiths, Echo and the Bunnymen, New Order and indie stuff (or if you like... more indie) MBV, House of Love and stuff - plus shitloads of 60's and other 70's stuff too. If you like music, and you buy a lot of it, you're guaranteed to run out of good stuff that's being released currently and will have to go and buy older stuff. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From john.hucker at xxx.net Mon Oct 13 21:08:53 1997 From: john.hucker at xxx.net (John Hucker) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:08:53 -0700 Subject: Sinister: and other stuff References: <199710131111.MAA17539@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <34427FD5.1CB@virgin.net> Hi, I'm bored at work to and can't wait to get home to check out the new EP. I work in London but live in Brighton so have given my next door neighbour instructions to purchase said slab of luscious vinyl for me - here's hoping she remembers. By way of a late recomendation - an old off-topic thread (sorry) - I bought the new Prolapse LP, 'Italian Flag', at the weekend and must recommend it to you all. It's alot harder than the B&S stuff but has great lyrics, fine tunes and a slap in the face Scottish (Glasgow, I think) spirit. Reminds me of: MBV, Smiths, Shop Assistants, Joy Division, UVS, Arab Strap, and others too. A fine compliment to 3..6..9. Anyway, only 6 hours between me and my turntable. Tick tick tick ... JohnnyX. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 13:19:53 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:19:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 3, 6, 9 Message-ID: <01BCD7DA.B1D63860@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Fantastic.... Fan - tastic... That's Malcolm McDowell's reaction to a photo of an African Soldier when it's shown to him by his mate in "If...". It's also what I'm thinking about 3, 6, 9 seconds of light. "Put the book back on the shelf" is the only one I don't already know (Well apart from Paul playing it at the Egg a few weeks ago) and it's brilliant to get surprised by yet another superb track. It actually fucked up my tremendous score at Tetris at lunchtime, never mind. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 13:49:16 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:49:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: 3..6..9 In-Reply-To: <199710131111.MAA17539@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Nathan Howie wrote: > Have just missed my first lecture due to listening to new EP. I > really don't think I'm going to be able to move from my computer(with > CD) for this afternoon's lecture. Must withdraw my membership from > bored at Uni club. > > Which was written first Fakers or Elvis ? > > Nathan If you listen carefully to the end of Fakers on the EP, you can hear the words "two, three, four" as if he's counting down to when to stop playing, which would imply that that is the original and Elvis came later. Maybe I'm just being stupid here, but has anyone any idea what the word that has been blanked out in the sleevenotes is meant to be? I think it was h-----s. Oh, and whoever it was was talking a bit back about lyrics being different to what it says on the lyric sheet, they've done it again on the first song first verse. So then, are the "Fakers" dogs, cats or brocolli? Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 9607129h at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 14:49:01 1997 From: 9607129h at xxx.uk (Neil Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:49:01 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Seymour Stein Message-ID: <3DDA221050D@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Hi, This is my first message n'all so hello everyone and... I'm sure I can remember an evening session ... er session when B&S played Seymour Stein and our Steve says... "Oh, that'll be the one about the American Record Label Bosses, wil it?" (or something like that anyway) I can't remember what the reply was (it wasn't definite anyway) but the lyrics of the song seemed appropriate if this was the case. cheers, neil -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From C.B.Stride at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 14:26:39 1997 From: C.B.Stride at xxx.uk (Dr C.B.Stride) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:26:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 3..6..9 Message-ID: <694E06118B7@woodhead.shef.ac.uk> > Maybe I'm just being stupid here, but has anyone any idea what the word > that has been blanked out in the sleevenotes is meant to be? I think it > was h-----s. Hippies I assume!? Chris C.B.Stride at Sheffield.ac.uk *** daytime: 0114 2223262 *** *** FAX 0114 2727206 *** ** NEW ** evening: 0114 2306539 ** NEW ** "Watford FC Supporters - South Yorkshire branch" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 9607129h at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 15:42:58 1997 From: 9607129h at xxx.uk (Neil Hargreaves) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:42:58 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Sorry Message-ID: <3DE88886A86@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Oops... I just wrote and replied to the Seymour Stein question and just noticed Keith W already had (and much better than I did) so sorry... Oh yeah and the Suede B0Sides album is really good and its interesting how some of the early ones sound quite DogManStaresque even before Dog Man Star if you know what I mean... PS Im pretty sure Belle and Sebastian smoke, they stopped for a fag break at their gig in the QM Union here in Glasgow and Sarah asked the people at the front if we had a light- I'd lost my lighter at the time but ah well never mind. cheers, Neil -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Mon Oct 13 16:07:19 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:07:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: arse Message-ID: <0039600000338810000002L002*@MHS> just spent my dinner hour on the bus into town and back. it took 1:15 which is 30 mins more than i have for lunch. bet hey, new b&s single out today so... except virgin didn't have any in so it was a completely wasted trip. spoke to the bloke who commented on my t-shirt last time i was there (he didn't seem to recognise me though) and he said that it was due in (they had a whole 5 copies ordered) but they hadn't got it, maybe tomorrow. 5 copies? i wanted 3 myself... and there were literally hundreds of copies of the damn spice girls single on the shelves there. same with woolworths where it looked like the spice girls was the only new single released this week. oh um. still, it means i get to have wensleydale and apple sandwiches from boots instead of the stuff that passes for food in the machines here at work... andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Mon Oct 13 15:20:01 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:20:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: David & Katrina may soon dissappear for a short while Message-ID: <34422E11.AD910321@virgin.net> Hiya, we're currently having hell with our machine, this is a BIG problem for us as it's our only link to you lot and we're strapped for the cash to fix it. Should our Monitor pack up again, or should we accidentally turn the machine off (now it's on we're trying not to turn it back off!), we'll appear to have deserted you. If anyone is trying to get in touch with us and we appear not to answer, then send your mail to jeepster.uk at virgin.net as we may still be able to get it via that. Orders via the on-line thing will still be safe as they are collected via file transer elsewhere. All of the above does not currently apply, but should we dissappear it will. Thanks David & Katrina and the Belle and Sebastian fan Club. -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 16:01:15 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:01:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: arse Message-ID: <01BCD7F1.3CD36B70@rainbow.qss.co.uk> due in (they had a whole 5 copies ordered) but they hadn't got it, maybe tomorrow. 5 copies? i wanted 3 myself... and there were literally [Keith Watson] 5 copies! Bizarre, me and John Stuart just met down the town in Edinburgh at lunchtime today where they've got at least 75 copies of it stacked on one of the main shelves at the front - we are in Scotland I suppose, but I'm sure that doesn't make a difference now - maybe a year ago. Having said that Virgin in Edinburgh has had about that many for both Dog on Wheels and Lazy Line Painter Jane too. No wonder they had difficulty getting into the charts last time if the bloody shops won't even stock the single. Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 16:12:01 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:12:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: arse References: <01BCD7F1.3CD36B70@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <34423A41.B7D8B419@mcmail.com> > 5 copies! Bizarre, me and John Stuart just met down the town in > Edinburgh at lunchtime today where they've got at least 75 copies of > it stacked on one of the main shelves at the front - Listen, do any fellow Mancunians know where there are copies round here (I haven't looked yet)? I'm short enough of money and time to render a wasted journey into town really really annoying... k xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mark at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 14:31:47 1997 From: mark at xxx.uk (mark williams) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:31:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 3..6..9 References: <01BCD7D8.26D2ACA0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <344222C3.8B6150CA@iisc.co.uk> > I must admit also that I don't find it in the least bit strange that people are listening to music from before they were born phew! i was just about to put all my classical music under lock & key! :^) .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. `$' # # 'I privately say to you, old friend, please accept from me this _#_ unpretentious bouquet of early-blooming parentheses: (((())))' ( # ) / O \ Lophophora williamsii ( --- ) mark at iisc.co.uk `---' ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 16:19:37 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:19:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Soozy.. Message-ID: <34423C09.FAA1DE6D@mcmail.com> Soozy darling, is your email working??? I keep getting things returned... sorry everyone else Kate xxx (bored on IRC) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mahmed at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 16:19:03 1997 From: mahmed at xxx.uk (Mussadiq Ahmed) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:19:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Rough Guide anecdote Message-ID: <199710131519.AA193235943.fr0200@meto.gov.uk> Here is some background information on the B&S entry for The Rough Guide. I assume that you are talking about the Penguin book that came out last year. Well, 2 Summers ago I received a call from a friend trying to make it as a journalist/writer in London. He just got his first freelance job..... writing entries for a new A-Z book to be called 'The Rough Guide To Rock'. The assignments were divided according to genres. So 1 writer got all the punk from '76 onewards. Another had British indie music of the 80s. Someone else covered Goth. Prog rock from the 70s and 80s were given to one person. And so on. So if a 2nd updated edition is published, the B&S will probably go the writer specializing in UK non-mainstream indie music. As B&S have received nothing but favourable coverage in the NME/MM and many SOTW awards this year; one can safely assume that they will be included. As for my friend, he got his pick of US Heavy Metal and Hard Rock artists. I remember providing info and advice for Jane's Addiction, Guns 'n' Roses, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Nirvana. I proofread his articles trying to persuade him to curtail the "Kerranngg-school-of-journalism" approach. He failed to listen and now writes for Metal Hammer magazine. By the way, I will happily defend the merits of early Iron Maiden, Def Leppard's "Pyromania", Dave Lee Roth's debut and mid-period Metallica. They are all part of my musical exploration and appreciation with no "style bibles" to guide me. I am at ease with having 'Master of Puppets' on the a-side of a tape and 'The Queen is Dead' on the b-side. Mussadiq. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 17:25:39 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:25:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 3..6............9 Message-ID: <01bcd7f4$a4cb24e0$LocalHost@default> got the new EP today, well who didn't? then noticed the 7" was only 99p so got that aswell. Then noticed LLPJ had rocketed in price by 3 whole pounds (why?) so thought I'd better get 3..6..9 on all formats before it rockets aswell and I regret it later. I've never done that before. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 17:25:46 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:25:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Orders for 3,6,9... Message-ID: <199710131625.RAA06351@brookes.ac.uk> I went down this dinnertime to get my copy, and HMV here in Oxford had ordered 83 (!!) copies on CD, but only 5 12". Apparently, they'd sold 50 copies by 12 O'clock, so at that rate, TOTP here they come !! Just off home now to play it, can't wait. Ben. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rcoleman at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 18:11:36 1997 From: rcoleman at xxx.uk (rcoleman at xxx.uk) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:11:36 +0000 Subject: Sinister: more mischief for Kate Message-ID: Andy has already drawn attention to Kate's contribution to the controversies of genetics. And only last week, during my researches into suitable material for Spanish Language teaching, I bumped into a noble poem in Caribe Communication's site [without reprinting all of it]: --------------------******-------------------------- PIEDRA. por Kate Dornan edad 15, Manchester, Inglaterra. Desde lo profundo la vida parece como única, nadie entiende Mis sueños rotos Cuando te veo... Sobre el autor: Esta es mi filosofía de vida, creo. Tarde o temprano la sociedad nos va a dividir y va a hacernos caer. Vamos a tener que enfrentar la verdad detras de nuestras mascaras y debemos creer que amamos mucho. Vamos a volver a la vida. Usted puede enviar correspondencia al autor Kate Dornan --------------------******-------------------------- So, Kate. We suspect that, inbetween the biochem degrees (awarded with honours, aged 12), you are busy carving out your literary reputation in many tongues. One question remains: how d'y find time to write up to all these lists? In admiration 'Bungaro' Age 21 1/2 P.S. Spinadisc, Coventry, has three 3,6 9..s left at 17:00. They close at 18:00 if you can get there! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tanya101 at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 17:51:44 1997 From: Tanya101 at xxx.com (tanya) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:51:44 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Seymour Stein References: <3DDA221050D@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: <34425198.3F3A@n2k.com> Re: Seymour Stein I don't know if anyone else noticed him, but Mr Stein was sitting about 5 feet away from me at the taping of Belle & Sebastians performance on the american television show "Sessions at West 54th." He was singing along. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From verity.clarkson at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 18:03:36 1997 From: verity.clarkson at xxx.uk (*La Grande V*) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:03:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: angels In-Reply-To: <344222C3.8B6150CA@iisc.co.uk> Message-ID: hello people, you'll have to bear with me as i'm new to this! a while ago i sent isobel some angel wings made out of shiny silver plastic. since then, i've heard that she is wearing something similar in the new video - has anyone seen it yet, and can they confirm whether they match my description? i know that isobel also has some fairy wings.... Verity xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 18:47:11 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:47:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: arse In-Reply-To: <34423A41.B7D8B419@mcmail.com> Message-ID: > > 5 copies! Bizarre, me and John Stuart just met down the town in > > Edinburgh at lunchtime today where they've got at least 75 copies of > > it stacked on one of the main shelves at the front - > Well the HMV in Cambridge had plenty on sale this morning, but they seem to have been going quite quickly, there were already plenty of spaces on the shelves by the time I made it at 11. Quite why Virgin would only have 5 copies is a mystery - for (hopefully) a top 40 single; maybe Richard Branson just doesn't appreciate good music... Stuart G (Just going back to listen to Pastie for the tenth time today...) P.S. Does anyone else find it slightly grating the way he pronounces "La Pastie" as if it was "La Parstie"? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a-bergman at xxx.edu Mon Oct 13 19:30:51 1997 From: a-bergman at xxx.edu (Amanda Bergman) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:30:51 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Seymour Stein In-Reply-To: <34425198.3F3A@n2k.com> References: <3DDA221050D@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971013133051.006e9874@hecky.acns.nwu.edu> And speaking of >the american television show "Sessions at West 54th..." when will the B&S show be airing here in the states?? ta, Amanda ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 18:56:06 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:56:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Seymour Stein. Message-ID: <01bcd801$48348660$LocalHost@default> Why did they write a song about Seymour Stein then eh? Did he say he'd give them a contract in exchange or something, like what Lisa Marie Presley did, allegedly. (H------S...Hipsters? (in the '60's before they became pants)) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Yummycats at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 19:56:08 1997 From: Yummycats at xxx.com (Yummycats at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Misheard lyrics Message-ID: <971013145311_1045604898@emout01.mail.aol.com> I hate to rehash this topic, but I thought this was funny - When I first heard "The State I Am In" I thought he was singing, "...my brother was gay...and said that he loved me for a while." I thought, hm...incest. Interesting topic. Then I heard another recording of the song and realized it was "took the heat off me for a while." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From john.hucker at xxx.net Mon Oct 13 20:11:16 1997 From: john.hucker at xxx.net (John Hucker) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:11:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Favourite track References: <01bcd801$48348660$LocalHost@default> Message-ID: <34427254.53A9@virgin.net> Hi, Back home and my record bying agent didn't let me down - although she didn't buy a copy for herself which disapointed me a bit. I'll have to play her the EP to death until she repents of her wayward ways and has to buy a copy for herself. Anyway, how about a show of hands for our favourite track on the EP? It's early days yet, despite playing it non-stop for the last hour, but at the moment my fave is 'Le Pastie ...'. I think I'll have a quick break and let the new songs sink in for a while. Maybe my favourite will change after a quick dose of Eastenders. Take everything, JohnnyX. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 21:08:21 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:08:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Favourite track References: <01bcd801$48348660$LocalHost@default> <34427254.53A9@virgin.net> Message-ID: <34427FB5.C67147F0@mail.zynet.co.uk> > Anyway, how about a show of hands for our > favourite track on the EP? It's early days > yet, despite playing it non-stop for the last > hour, but at the moment my fave is 'Le > Pastie ...'. well i did love 'fakers' for some time, and then i loved 'book' because, ooh, it sounded lovely. then when i got the entire ep i liked pastie because it's so POP, but now i like 'beautiful' best because, well it is. See, it's simple :-) the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Skreddy56 at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 21:07:01 1997 From: Skreddy56 at xxx.com (Skreddy56 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Seymour at w.54th Message-ID: <971013160323_-1193452101@emout08.mail.aol.com> >I don't know if anyone else noticed him, but Mr Stein was sitting about >5 feet away from me at the taping of Belle & Sebastians performance on >the american television show "Sessions at West 54th." Before the show, was he the one that they (the security guards) asked to leave because he was from a record label? The whole record company hierarchy confuses me, so I don't know what damn label he was from. --Matt (skreddy56 at aol.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Mon Oct 13 21:15:41 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Favourite track In-Reply-To: <34427254.53A9@virgin.net> Message-ID: > > Anyway, how about a show of hands for our favourite track on the EP? It's early days I'm glad to hear a vocal melody for Century of Fakers, but I think I like Beautiful with it's They let Lisa go Blind chorus and haunting ending. Hoorah for silvertone processing! fran ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tanya101 at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 21:32:19 1997 From: Tanya101 at xxx.com (tanya) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:32:19 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Seymour at w.54th References: <971013160323_-1193452101@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <3442853B.46A8@n2k.com> I don't know. All I know is he came in late, with a younger fellow and sat down in the back, meaning near the door, I recognized him and made a note of it. The rumour I've heard is that the song "Seymour Stein" is basically "true," that he really loves the band and wanted to sign them to Sire. I don't know the man, but he looked like he was having a good time. Skreddy56 at aol.com wrote: > > >I don't know if anyone else noticed him, but Mr Stein was sitting about > >5 feet away from me at the taping of Belle & Sebastians performance on > >the american television show "Sessions at West 54th." > > Before the show, was he the one that they (the security guards) asked to > leave because he was from a record label? The whole record company hierarchy > confuses me, so I don't know what damn label he was from. > > --Matt (skreddy56 at aol.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Angelina.DeGiovanni at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 21:37:49 1997 From: Angelina.DeGiovanni at xxx.com (Angelina.DeGiovanni at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:37:49 -0400 Subject: Sinister: new ep cover photo Message-ID: <8525652F.00712687.00@v2music.com> i just purchased the new b&s ep and the cover art is gorgeous! does anyone know who the woman is in the photo with stuart? just curious! -angelina ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From initgrl at xxx.org Mon Oct 13 21:43:11 1997 From: initgrl at xxx.org (jj heldmann) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: 3..6............9 In-Reply-To: <01bcd7f4$a4cb24e0$LocalHost@default> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Chris Stack wrote: > got the new EP today, well who didn't? then noticed the 7" was only 99p so who didn't? I DIDN'T DARN IT! the shop that's supposed to be getting it for me didn't get it in yet, though tuesday is the standard release date for things in the states, so maybe, just maybe, they'll get it in tomorrow. but i doubt it. *sigh* waiting is no fun at all. anxious jj ************************************************ fantastic po box 4492 ann arbor mi 48106 http://www.mindspring.com/~initialgirl/fantastic ************************************************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rewb2 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 02:52:28 1997 From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (R.E.W. Butler) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:52:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: belle and sebastian Message-ID: Hi everyone - I'm really bored and lonely. Can someone e-mail me please so that I have someone to talk to. I bought the new single today - it's wonderful, isn't it. Love, Rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Oct 14 09:59:43 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:59:43 +0200 Subject: Sinister: See More Message-ID: <3443347F.66912CE9@colon.net.> Seymour Stein is listed as one of the collaborators for the sleeve art of Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds! Well I never! He also rejected the second album by Brian Wilson and Eugene Landy (psychiatrist to the stars), "Sweet Insanity", thus depriving the world of the chance to hear Brian's hardcore rap song, "Smart Girls". Insiders say that it gives Vanilla Ice a run for his money. Stein is also associated with someone called Lenny Waronker. I'm glad the subject of Seymour Stein has come up again, because I've been doing my homework since the last time. I've got more Seymour facts, but I'll keep them for next time. My favourite song on the new EP is "Beautiful". And I think this record is the best they've done so far, music, lyrics, little story, cover photo, the lot. I'm glad to see we have a (part-time) heavy metal fan on the list. What do your heavy metal mates think of Belle and Sebastian? Poofters, I bet. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From wow at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 10:56:37 1997 From: wow at xxx.uk (totv) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 09:56:37 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <876818976.142631.0@totv.demon.co.uk> subscribe sinister-digest ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 11:04:26 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:04:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: See More Message-ID: <01BCD890.EFDB53F0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> I'm glad to see we have a (part-time) heavy metal fan on the list. What do your heavy metal mates think of Belle and Sebastian? Poofters, I bet. [Keith Watson] Hear Hear... glad to see you're loud and proud about it. I'm personally quite partial to Motorhead at times, and ACDC - Back in Black and Hell's Bells - cracking tracks - I'm a big led Zep fan too, and Purple, Sabbath etc. Unlike quite a lot of my friends however, I've never had a hairy metal past - My mate Kevin's got loads of metal albums and has been to see Whitesnake three times. Myself however I've never brought my daughter to the slaughter or anything like that (partly because I don't have a daughter and I don't know where the slaughter, or even what, it is). Most of the guys at work have had a metal past too - well, that's computer scientists for you. I did drag one of my metal pals from when I was at school to see Belle and Sebby at the Mitchell Library last year and he thought it was great - maybe there is a connection. So I did him a Kracking Kompilation of B+S "hits" for him to play on his walkman. Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 11:06:51 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:06:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: STEIN Message-ID: <01BCD891.4683EDC0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Oh... also, forgot to mention. If anyone's at all interested in Seymour Stein then Clinton Heylin's "From the Velvets to the Voidoids" and "Please Kill Me" by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain are good places to learn about his dealings with the late 70's New York Punk scene. Unfortunately these are the only kind of books I read - I'm not at all well read... I have read almost all of the Mr.Men books though. Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Tue Oct 14 11:34:12 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:34:12 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Are we all bourgeoisie now?! Message-ID: Hi everyone! Wanted: More discussion about lyrics... I just started thinking yesterday ( for the first time - ha ha. If anyone wanted to get a sarcastic shot at this staement, well I beat you to it:-)), when I got the new Ep, about "Le pastie...". First I thought it was a ordinary "you´re so lonely, nobody understands you and they are evil and so buorgeoise or what ever it´s spelled"-kinda song (just like the great favourite "Expectations"). But then isn´t "Le pastie" a song thats quite mean to the "you"-figure in the song, with the singer being quite sarcastic about the goodness and specialness of the spolied Bourgeoisie-brat who just wants to get away, spending her time reading Salinger and Kerouac? I don´t know, maybe this is clear for everyone, but I find it quite interesting as "Le pastie" must be the most "agressive" B&S song since "Me and the major". And in that case quite agressive to B&S fans too, i suppose:-) Maybe I should just have gone to bed after watching "Friends" yesterday instead of staying up all night with the new EP...? (yes you should have - ha ha. I`ve beaten you again) ///Chandler Bing ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Tue Oct 14 11:23:29 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:23:29 +0100 (British Summer Time) Subject: Sinister: See More In-Reply-To: <01BCD890.EFDB53F0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Keith Watson wrote: > I'm glad to see we have a (part-time) heavy metal fan on the list. What do your > heavy metal mates think of Belle and Sebastian? Poofters, I bet. > > [Keith Watson] > Hear Hear... glad to see you're loud and proud about it. I'm personally quite > partial to Motorhead at times, and ACDC - Back in Black and Hell's Bells > - cracking tracks - I'm a big led Zep fan too, and Purple, Sabbath etc. > Unlike quite a lot of my friends however, I've never had a hairy metal > past ... Hmm I did. But I'm a poofter now, well I like B&S. Maybe because I went to Motorhead concert at 14 I feel a little... tentative about joining in here..! On the other hand my girlfriend just bought a Black Sabbath greatest hits - not part of her childhood. She claims it's post-modern irony, I think she just screams "Ozzzooiii" on the way to work in the car. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From t.hopkins at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 11:49:00 1997 From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:49:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Favourite track Message-ID: <199710141050.LAA10264@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> I have to say that I rather agree with the Duke on this issue. 'Beautiful' is the one for me, for now. I think it's also worth noting that the covers seem to be becoming more and more like indie pop covers from years back. Am I talking rubbish or do youi good folk know what I'm on about? Tim H ---------- From: duke of harringay To: Belle and Sebastian mailing list Subject: Re: Sinister: Favourite track Date: 13 October 1997 21:08 >well i did love 'fakers' for some time, and then i >loved 'book' because, ooh, it sounded lovely. >then when i got the entire ep i liked pastie >because it's so POP, but now i like 'beautiful' >best because, well it is. See, it's simple :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 9607129h at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 12:56:55 1997 From: 9607129h at xxx.uk (Neil Hargreaves) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:56:55 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Seymour Again Message-ID: <3F3C4974C49@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> I've only heard the Seymour Stein about twice but I'm sure I can remember some lyrics about 'flying home alone' and it being kind of sad. So I thought (especicially with the alliterative name) he was fictional but based on a real guy. Now I know he's real I was thinking maybe Stuart just had some brief meetings with the guy, liked the name and used him as a sort of template or something. just a thought... cheers, neil PS Maybe if he'd heard of Lenny Waronker he could have used that too...They both sound the names you would pick if you wanted to create a fictional record label boss. -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Tue Oct 14 12:21:22 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:21:22 +0200 Subject: Sinister: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hell=B4s?= Belles (And Sebastian) Message-ID: Hi! I take my hat of to everyone who dares to admit their HM-history. I myself was a Guns N´Roses fan in 1990. Then changed to Stone Roses the same year. Roses as roses. Well I guess i got off topic here... Shame on me, Do anyone have any information about the next B&S album. It´s not that far away, so there should be som rumors??? And what about that eventual next EP? ///Klas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Oct 14 13:27:08 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:27:08 +0200 Subject: Sinister: STEIN References: <01BCD891.4683EDC0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <3443651C.DB131402@colon.net.> Keith Watson wrote: > Oh... also, forgot to mention. If anyone's at all interested in Seymour Stein > then Clinton Heylin's "From the Velvets to the Voidoids" and "Please Kill Me" > by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain are good places to learn about his dealings > with the late 70's New York Punk scene. Unfortunately these are the only kind > of books I read - I'm not at all well read... I have read almost all of the > Mr.Men books though. > > Keith. > > Also see "The Nearest Faraway Place" by Timothy White and "Wouldn't it be Nice" supposedly by Brian Wilson for more Stein-tastic facts. TNFP is a really good book. WIBN is a bit dodgy though. I know it's a bit of a long shot, but does anyone out there know what Mr. Stein thinks of the song? If he likes the band, he's probably thrilled. If not, he's probably lining up a team of crack lawyers even as we speak. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 96a10193 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 14:26:18 1997 From: 96a10193 at xxx.uk (KATHLEEN MARY ANDERSON) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:26:18 GMT Subject: Sinister: new EP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Do anyone have any information about the next B&S album. It´s not that far > away, so there should be som rumors??? And what about that eventual next > EP? > > ///Klas > bloop? i don't think i've heard about another ep... what is all this? is that after the lp release in the distant future sometime? i've just joined in (am obviously more easily satisfied than that demanding totv "character") and would like to add my thought about the 3,6,9er ; when i listened to 'le pastie' via the web page it had this lovely distorted twanky twaaaAAAnGG jaunty piano bit, does the actual recording have it (yet to get home to lissen) or is that my dodgy speaker? kate ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From u7k88 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 13:47:09 1997 From: u7k88 at xxx.uk (GR Clarkson) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:47:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: jingles Message-ID: Hello! Any thoughts on the possibility of B+S writing radio jingles. Half way through listening to beautiful I had to check wether It was the radio or not (Not that I listen to radio 4 of course). just a thought. Greg u7k88 at keele.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stip at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 13:23:45 1997 From: Stip at xxx.uk (Stip / Blue Music) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:23:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: See More In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Keith Watson wrote: > >> I'm glad to see we have a (part-time) heavy metal fan on the list. What do >your >> heavy metal mates think of Belle and Sebastian? Poofters, I bet. >> >> [Keith Watson] >> Hear Hear... glad to see you're loud and proud about it. I'm personally quite >> partial to Motorhead at times, and ACDC - Back in Black and Hell's Bells >> - cracking tracks - I'm a big led Zep fan too, and Purple, Sabbath etc. >> Unlike quite a lot of my friends however, I've never had a hairy metal >> past ... > >Hmm I did. But I'm a poofter now, well I like B&S. I was never a heavy metal chick or anything, but all of my boyfriends were the guitar wielding axemasters we knew and loved as 'moshers'. This was chiefly because I always (somewhat foolishly) believed that all would be well in the gardens of romance if my 'man' could serenade me. Instead of crooning sweetly and dedicating records to me, however, these so-called males spent their time ironing Megadeth patches onto their denim jackets and shunning me for refusing to attend yet another Slayer concert. This is by no means a dig at Heavy Metal music. It is simply to voice my grief at the fact that Stuart Murdoch can be inspired enough to write a song as touching as 'You Made Me Forget My Dreams', while the closest I came to being serenaded was when one boyfriend in particular wrote 'Demon Rider, Baby', apparantly for me. Me and four of his other girlfriends, that is... But hey, I'm not bitter. Cheers, Nicola x -- Nicola M Stip / Blue Music www.stip.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Tue Oct 14 14:57:08 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:57:08 +0200 Subject: Sinister: A century of new eps Message-ID: Hi! I think I remember that the one from Jeepster who threatened the soon-to-be bootleggers mentioned another ep (which means another one than 3..6..9...) before this year ends. I didn´t save that posting, but that´s how i remembered it. I might be wrong, though. So the question remains unanswered... Any rumors? Keith Watson! You mentioned "Please kill me " and "From the Velvets..." which I tought was interesting as I plan to order them from Bokus.com. How are they, and most important do they cover the same artists and in that case, which one is the best? You can send the answer straight to me, as I lost your adress... ///Klas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 95516123 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 15:03:44 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:03:44 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Favourite track Message-ID: <00016F1C.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> > have to say that I rather agree with the Duke on this issue. >'Beautiful' is the one for me, for now. >I think it's also worth noting that the covers seem to be becoming >more and more like indie pop covers from years back. Am I >talking rubbish or do youi good folk know what I'm on >about? >Tim H ---------- Yes Tim, I would agree with you on the covers front. 'Dog..' was VERY Smithsian almost to the point of self-parody. A sure fire case of wearing influences on your sleeve. I'm also reminded of the old Woodentops and, to an extent Housemartins, sleeves. Anyone else have an opinion? The Archdeacon of Pop From: duke of harringay To: Belle and Sebastian mailing list Subject: Re: Sinister: Favourite track Date: 13 October 1997 21:08 >well i did love 'fakers' for some time, and then i >loved 'book' because, ooh, it sounded lovely. >then when i got the entire ep i liked pastie >because it's so POP, but now i like 'beautiful' >best because, well it is. See, it's simple :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- Received: from envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (129.215.72.168) by CSUNT2.napier.ac.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00016DF6; Tue, 14 Oct 97 13:07:53 +0000 Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA10269 for sinister-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:50:29 +0100 Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (mail2.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.8.13]) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA10264 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:50:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199710141050.LAA10264 at envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Received: from exchange-iss.lancs.ac.uk by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:48:04 +0100 Received: by exchange-iss.lancs.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:43:08 +0100 From: Hopkins T To: Belle and Sebastian mailing list Subject: Re: Sinister: Favourite track Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:49:00 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Hopkins T From John.Johnston at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 15:02:09 1997 From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:02:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: mour and mour Message-ID: <199710141353.OAA15254@hgty.capgemini.co.uk> This talk of Seymour Stein and his associates has moved me to write.... A record exec called Waronker Had a trick with a prize-winning conker "When picking out hits, I smash CDs to bits, And anything left is a stonker" The new Belle and Sebastian EP was undamaged in the melee "This one is still fine, I'll ring Seymour Stein, But what in the 'eck is Pastie?" Sorry. hot love john ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tanya101 at xxx.com Tue Oct 14 15:42:24 1997 From: Tanya101 at xxx.com (tanya) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:42:24 -0400 Subject: Sinister: mour and mour References: <199710141353.OAA15254@hgty.capgemini.co.uk> Message-ID: <344384CF.5A80@n2k.com> Interesting but useless factoid: Lenny Waronker is the father of Anna Waronker, singer/songwriter/guitar of the recently deceased american pop band That Dog. no, I haven't had time to get the new ep yet. > A record exec called Waronker > Had a trick with a prize-winning conker > "When picking out hits, > I smash CDs to bits, > And anything left is a stonker" > > The new Belle and Sebastian EP > was undamaged in the melee > "This one is still fine, > I'll ring Seymour Stein, > But what in the 'eck is Pastie?" > > Sorry. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cleonard at xxx.COM Tue Oct 14 11:56:57 1997 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 05:56:57 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Favourite track Message-ID: My favourite just now is Beautiful. I especially like the bits about her being mental and trying her hand at pornography and the pretty tune. And what's more this is the first CD I've ever bought. I just got my first ever CD player, you see. I feel like a vinyl traitor. The CD Single only cost 1.99. Is this normal? Seems very reasonable. Who liked John Denver? I did. "Leaving On a Jet Plane" is my kareoke piece. Jeff Buckley and John Denver in the one year. bummer. Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cleonard at xxx.COM Tue Oct 14 16:12:21 1997 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:12:21 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Favourite track Message-ID: > I would agree with you on the covers front. 'Dog..' was VERY > Smithsian almost to the point of self-parody. A sure fire > case of wearing influences on your sleeve. I'm also reminded > of the old Woodentops and, to an extent Housemartins, > sleeves. Anyone else have an opinion? Funny, I never thought of the Smiths with the Dog on Wheels cover, but yesterday when I saw the cover of 3..6..9 I thought of them immediatly. The colours reminded me of "Rank". I like the B & S covers, very nice. And I like the wee stories. The smiths never gave you a wee story. The last band who's covers I loved were that of Suede. Remember the white backgrounds with the 'artistic' images on the front? I was gutted when they stopped doing them. I'm very talkative today, aren't I? Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cleonard at xxx.COM Tue Oct 14 12:40:59 1997 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:40:59 -0500 Subject: Sinister: See More Message-ID: I went to see David Lee Roth when I was 13. He sang california girls and rode round the Hall on a giant inflatable microphone. He was brilliant. I think it would be nice if B & S got some of those pantomime wires on stage so that they could fly about like Bon Jovi in the "Livin on A Prayer" video. I always enjoy it when pop stars do that. P.S. Im getting upset with my e-mail - it's so slow. It takes like a day for anyone to recieve my letters after I've sent them, and you've all started talking about something else by the time mine arrives. I'm on the huff. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 18:29:08 1997 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:29:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Favourite track In-Reply-To: <34427254.53A9@virgin.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:11:16 +0100, John Hucker said: << I think I'll have a quick break and let the new songs sink in for a while. Maybe my favourite will change after a quick dose of Eastenders. >> "..Pastie" gets my vote too, this morning at least. Anyone else noticed how Tony & Sarah's mum in Eastenders looks just like Frankie Howerd? 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Tue Oct 14 18:45:07 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:45:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: pastie and site help needed Message-ID: <3443AFA3.99FFB407@virgin.net> someone asked what "...pastie..." meant but I've forgotton who. The whole title means something along the line of, "the apathy of the aristocracy" but I could be wrong. -- Anyway the second bit of the subject line: I'm considering ripping the design of my site to shreds and doing something decent for once. To do this I need some help from someone with graphics abilities and maybe also a graphic designer. All the HTML and gimmicks should be just within my capabilities, so if you're any good with JPG's and GIF's and Animated things, please get in touch (I don't need apps, I just need designers!). Thanks David Kitchen Belle and Seabstian Fan Club PS: we can't pay you for it! but you'll get a credit on the entrance :) -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rewb2 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 19:50:25 1997 From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (R.E.W. Butler) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:50:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: my favourite track Message-ID: the first time i heard the single, i liked 'le pastie..' the most - i had heard it before off the internet. i'm not sure exactly, but i think my favourite has to be 'beautiful' now, because it's, well, beautiful, to put it simply. i can't get over how wonderful the ep is - there is another one coming out quite soon, isn't there - does anyone know what it's called? what about the album - someone must know something about it - there have been missives all today and yesterday speculating on what it'll be like. i guess we just have to wait and see. love, Rob p.s. thanks to everyone who's mailed me over the last couple of days - i really appreciate it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Tue Oct 14 21:00:34 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:00:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: arse, arse Message-ID: <0039600000350667000002L072*@MHS> didn't go into town this dinnertime, thought i'd skip work early and go and buy the new ep then. have just been told by one of my spies that the virgin meagrestore had a whole one copy left when he was there. (still bloody hundreds of the spice girls cds left though) looks like it's time to stop messing around and have tomorrow morning off in order to pop to watford where they may still have copies left. or should i go the whole hog and go to london on the off-chance that they're sold out in watford too. decisions, decisions. not heard the recent session yet either - i'm obviously not a true fan... woe, woe, woe is me oh, i did notice this morning that the start of 'slow graffiti' sounds a lot like the start of 'laughing gnome' - 'i was walking, down the high street, when i heard footsteps behind me...' andy oh, jennifer, i'm waiting on a tape of the sessions before sending it back to you, everything else is done. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 20:21:34 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:21:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Are we all bourgeoisie now?! References: Message-ID: <3443C63E.5E63871F@mail.zynet.co.uk> > I just started thinking yesterday ( for the > first time - ha ha. If anyone > wanted to get a sarcastic shot at this staement, > well I beat you to it:-)), > when I got the new Ep, about "Le pastie...". > First I thought it was a ordinary "you´re so > lonely, nobody understands you > and they are evil and so buorgeoise or what ever > it´s spelled"-kinda song > (just like the great favourite "Expectations"). > But then isn´t "Le pastie" > a song thats quite mean to the "you"-figure in > the song, with the singer > being quite sarcastic about the goodness and > specialness of the spolied > Bourgeoisie-brat who just wants to get away, > spending her time reading > Salinger and Kerouac? > I don´t know, maybe this is clear for everyone, > but I find it quite > interesting as "Le pastie" must be the most > "agressive" B&S song since "Me > and the major". And in that case quite agressive > to B&S fans too, i > suppose:-) YES YES YES!! This is exactly what i was saying in my review, and i'm assuming the subject line was an intentional reference to the McCarthy song!? I think this is a very sensible reading of the lyric, and i do think that there's a lot more snide cynicism in some of Stuart's lyrics than people at times realise. There's a whole lot more to B&S than fey winsomeness, but that's the tag the press keep pushing so that's how they get perceived. so does everyone else feel the same way, or are we all feeling a little fragile about our little bourgeouise beatnik pasts? ;-) the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 20:32:14 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:32:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: arse, arse References: <0039600000350667000002L072*@MHS> Message-ID: <3443C8BE.6D5447EB@mail.zynet.co.uk> > not heard the recent session yet either - i'm > obviously not > a true fan... if david and katrina don't get it together (oo-er) let me know and i'll get a copy to you. > oh, i did notice this morning that the start of > 'slow > graffiti' sounds a lot like the start of > 'laughing gnome' - > 'i was walking, down the high street, when i > heard footsteps > behind me...' ha ha, yeah, i've been thinking that for weeks! i was too embarassed to say ;-) keep the faith, kids. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From steve at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 20:41:03 1997 From: steve at xxx.uk (steve genge) Date: 14 Oct 1997 20:41:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: pasties? Message-ID: <68DC7594.MD-0.196.steve@seahorses.demon.co.uk> I take it I'm missing something here but surely it should be "Le Pastie De La Boulangerie"?? I checked & in our La Boulangerie they're 80p for meat & 70p for Cheese. Seriously though, after turning the sleeves round & therefore covering up the barcodes with price stickers we sold only 20 less Belle & Sebastian EPs on monday than Spice Girls singles. We didn't sell a single 12inch though. Am I alone in wondering why you can't put four songs on a 7inch? Or at least make the 12inch the same price as the CD single (ours are a pound dearer <- sorry Leslie) As much as I detest cassette singles Woolworths won't stock a single unless it's on tape and so although your average Woolworth's record buyer won't know who Belle & Sebastian are your chart pisition is altered because their sales play a big part in the chart as does Asda's strangely. bye steve x ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacques.buron at xxx.fr Tue Oct 14 22:43:19 1997 From: jacques.buron at xxx.fr (Walter) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:43:19 +0000 Subject: Sinister: pastie and site help needed References: <3443AFA3.99FFB407@virgin.net> Message-ID: <3443E777.5353@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Sorry, but "La Pastie" doesn't mean anything in french... Maybe in italian (it sounds like an italian word, translated in french!!!) However, phonetically, it could be apathy... And "la bourgeoisie" is the middle class. Question : do you think we'll very soon be able to buy the B&S new single in France? Or should I order it through the net? Or go to London next week??? Walter -- " Get me away from here, I'm dying..." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacques.buron at xxx.fr Tue Oct 14 22:46:23 1997 From: jacques.buron at xxx.fr (Walter) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:46:23 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Sinister : La pastie Message-ID: <3443E82F.691@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Sorry, but "La Pastie" doesn't mean anything in french... Maybe in italian (it sounds like an italian word, translated in french!!!) However, phonetically, it could be apathy... And "la bourgeoisie" is the middle class. Question : do you think we'll very soon be able to buy the B&S new single in France? Or should I order it through the net? Or go to London next week??? Walter -- " Get me away from here, I'm dying..." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aeos at xxx.com Tue Oct 14 18:34:55 1997 From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:34:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: John Denver Message-ID: <199710142010.VAA14396@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> > Who liked John Denver? I did. "Leaving On a Jet Plane" is my kareoke > piece. Jeff Buckley and John Denver in the one year. bummer. Hmm.......I like [in the present] John Denver a great deal; I don't know half as much of that kind of music as I know I, and everyone, should know, but yes it's a shame he's died. However, I wasn't too distraught seeing as I certainly don't remember him releasing anything during my lifetime, so it's not really a great personal loss. However, I did listen to some of his 'Greatest Hits' yesterday; 'Follow Me' is truly a wonderful song. And the duet he did with Placedo Domingo works frighteningly well. A bit of history from the Obituary I scanned in a free second today - Leaving on a Jet Plane was pretty much his first released material - it was soon covered by the bizzare trio of Peter, Paul and Mary [Haha! - Remember?], which gained him some reputation and his first album sold well as a result. Then his first big solo thing was This was all, what, early-mid70s? Jeff Buckley I know nothing about. He certainly sounds intersting, but then people are hardly likely to understate someone's talent after they died, are they? But is he basically country-influenced, only I take it more 'modern' than someone like Denver, or James Taylor, who is the other singer-songwriter who I know quite well......? * * * * * Andrew O'Sullivan aeos at dial.pipex.com http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan "It's one for the money, two for the money, three for the money." * * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Tue Oct 14 21:17:31 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: re: Young Turks Message-ID: While everyone seems to be putting their two cents in, and all the head-bangers are being outed, I remember my two brothers and myself being driven to the local college (Stony Brook) to check out Quiet Riot. I musta been seven or eight, but it was my first concert ever. It was too loud and I remained seated along with another woman and we both plugged napkins into our ears while everyone else rushed the stage. I couldn't really see anything, but the highlight was when the drummer threw his drumstick and it struck me in the chest. I was too stunned to make a grab for it. B+S stuff: And any truth to the news that the 3 eps will be released in america with new tracks? When's the next lp due? that's it for me francisco ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Tue Oct 14 21:25:09 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:25:09 +0100 (British Summer Time) Subject: Sinister: Are we all bourgeoisie now?! In-Reply-To: <3443C63E.5E63871F@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, duke of harringay wrote: > ... or are we > all feeling a little fragile about our little > bourgeouise beatnik pasts? ;-) Pasts? PASTS?? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bwret at xxx.com Tue Oct 14 21:26:36 1997 From: bwret at xxx.com (Alex Ward) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: John Denver In-Reply-To: <199710142010.VAA14396@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Andrew O'Sullivan wrote: > > However, I did listen to some of his 'Greatest Hits' yesterday; 'Follow Me' > is truly a wonderful song. And the duet he did with Placedo Domingo works > frighteningly well. A bit of history from the Obituary I scanned in a free > second today - Leaving on a Jet Plane was pretty much his first released > material - it was soon covered by the bizzare trio of Peter, Paul and Mary > [Haha! - Remember?], which gained him some reputation and his first album > sold well as a result. Then his first big solo thing was This was all, > what, early-mid70s? > To the best of my knowledge, actually, he was a song writer before his solo career. PP&M didn't cover the song, but rather played the song which Denver wrote. -Alex in Califor-nI-AX ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Oct 14 22:29:00 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:29:00 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Blizzard of Oz References: Message-ID: <3443E41C.BA0E94CA@colon.net.> Chris Leonard wrote: > I went to see David Lee Roth when I was 13. He sang california girls > and rode round the Hall on a giant inflatable microphone. He was > brilliant. > Sounds great. I'm only sorry it wasn't an inflatable Waronker. I come from a predominantly heavy metal village, so the local youth club provided me with a steady diet of ping-pong and Black Sabbath throughout my formative years. One day they organised a trip to an Ozzy Osbourne concert at the Derby Assembly Rooms. How could I resist? I wore my kagoule for the occasion, everyone else wore denim. I can't remember much about the concert itself, but I do remember a man dancing about in his pajamas right in front of me for the entire concert. I thought "what a strange man," and "if he keeps on dancing like that his knob'll fall out eventually". With the benefit of hindsight I think we can safely say that he was under the influence of a deadly cocktail of heavy metal drugs, and that he had his underpants on beneath his jim-jams. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Oct 14 22:45:50 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:45:50 +0200 Subject: Sinister: pastie and site help needed References: <3443AFA3.99FFB407@virgin.net> <3443E777.5353@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <3443E80D.7780562A@colon.net.> Walter wrote: > Question : do you think we'll very soon be able to buy the B&S new single in > France? Or should I order it through the net? Or go to London next week??? > > Walter Go to London and arrange to meet all the other Belle and Sebastian fans for a pint of shandy and a quick game of Twister. That's my suggestion. Just think what fun it could be. A bit like Quadrophenia, but nicer. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 16:39:30 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:39:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: new EP? Message-ID: <01BCD8BF.BF41B980@rainbow.qss.co.uk> i've just joined in (am obviously more easily satisfied than that demanding totv "character") and would like to add my thought about the 3,6,9er ; when i listened to 'le pastie' via the web page it had this lovely distorted twanky twaaaAAAnGG jaunty piano bit, does the actual recording have it (yet to get home to lissen) or is that my dodgy speaker? [Keith Watson] I haven't listened to the one on the web page, but I've had it on a tape for ages and it is a different version that I've got, basically not much different, just a different kind of mix, more lead guitar. Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 16:48:15 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:48:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: mour and mour Message-ID: <01BCD8C0.F7E435A0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> -----Original Message----- From: Johnston, John CT [SMTP:John.Johnston at xxx.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 3:02 PM To: 'sinister' Subject: Sinister: mour and mour This talk of Seymour Stein and his associates has moved me to write.... A record exec called Waronker Had a trick with a prize-winning conker "When picking out hits, I smash CDs to bits, And anything left is a stonker" The new Belle and Sebastian EP was undamaged in the melee "This one is still fine, I'll ring Seymour Stein, But what in the 'eck is Pastie?" [Keith Watson] It's a fair point - I thought it was funny when the french chap on the list pointed out he didn't know what it meant! Is it perhaps a Cornish Pastie? In a sort of "Let them eat pies" fashion. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfuchs at xxx.ie Wed Oct 15 09:36:33 1997 From: sfuchs at xxx.ie (Sven Fuchs) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:36:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Blizzard of Oz Message-ID: <34448091.8EC@nmrc.ucc.ie> > I come from a predominantly heavy metal village. Funny, I was born in East Germany, and East Germany in the 70's and 80's seemed to be one big heavy metal village. Small world! Sven ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 09:46:51 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:46:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Are we all bourgeoisie now?! Message-ID: <01BCD94F.43FDEDD0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> so does everyone else feel the same way, or are we all feeling a little fragile about our little bourgeouise beatnik pasts? ;-) the duke [Keith Watson] I'm completely in agreement too - I'm just surprised how much he knows about these kind of people living in Glasgow - there are none of them there. I live in Edinburgh where all the Oxford/Cambridge Yah Hooray Henry types come and it's unbelievable. Before coming to University in Edinburgh I didn't know these people existed. It's a case of any excuse not to do a real job, and to have a huge extended "holiday" under the guise of "helping people" (This, at least is the analagous situation that I see to the beat generation thing). I need a bloody holiday - I haven't had one since a week in Llandudno in 1990. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Hintzm at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 10:48:38 1997 From: Hintzm at xxx.uk (Matthew P Hintz) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:48:38 GMT Subject: Sinister: La pastie In-Reply-To: <3443E82F.691@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <356C6702A10@regents.ac.uk> > > Question : do you think we'll very soon be able to buy the B&S new single in > France? Or should I order it through the net? Or go to London next week??? > > Walter Well I am going to be coming to Paris from London Thursday night--if you can wait that long. When I picked up a copy at HMV they had lots in a special "Best Sellers" section. Of course, who wouldn't buy the single, the cover is gorgeous. At times, Matthew ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 09:48:25 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:48:25 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The laughing Gnome Message-ID: <01BCD94F.7BEF10C0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> ha ha, yeah, i've been thinking that for weeks! i was too embarassed to say ;-) [Keith Watson] Just reminds me of that thing when Bowie got everyone to vote for what songs he'd play on his "Sound and Vision" tour 1990 - and NME encouraged everyone to phone in and vote for the Laughing Gnome! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cleonard at xxx.COM Wed Oct 15 10:04:29 1997 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 04:04:29 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Stow College/Tigermilk Message-ID: You know how tigermilk was recorded as a project by a bunch of students at Stow College in Glasgow? I would be interested to know if any of those aforementioned students are on this list. Bit of a long shot? I think so. I don't know if stow college even has e-mail. It's a dive of a place. An eyesore. It smells. Apologies to anyone who thinks stow college is nice. It's not. Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From timminsc at xxx.ie Wed Oct 15 11:15:49 1997 From: timminsc at xxx.ie (Claire Timmins) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:15:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 3..6..9 In-Reply-To: <199710131451.PAA30803@dux2.tcd.ie> Message-ID: PANTS. Although the whole of the U.K can rush out and buy the new release, Dublin is lacking behind, preventing me from listening till god knows when. I miss Glasgow. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Wed Oct 15 11:53:34 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:53:34 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Battle of small pasties Message-ID: Hi! Maybe "Le pastie de la buergoisie" has something to do with the book "The battle of the small pasteis" by Charles Fourier. If pastie is pastei or whatever it´s spelled...? (although I don´t know if this is the correct title in english, it is in Swedish though) Fourier was a socialist utopist who tought it would be much better if people made war by making competitions were two countries tried to make the best pasteis and then they could throw them at each other in stead of kill each other. Of course Fourier died lonely with a bottle of wine and a baguette. Maybe Stuart wanted to celerbrate him:-) ///Klas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 9607129h at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 12:33:22 1997 From: 9607129h at xxx.uk (Neil Hargreaves) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:33:22 +0000 Subject: Sinister: La, la la la Message-ID: <40B61114180@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Hey guys, Theres a bit of graffiti in Glasgow somewhere on Renfrew Street according to my flatmates that just says' La Pastie de la Bourgeoisie' not sure when it first arrived but its definately been arond before I heard of the single realease, beacuse I can remember discussing what it meant with them... We also came up with cake, imagining a 'Let them eat' type situation. So either its Belle and Sebastian connected or maybe (and this would make me feel dead cool) Stuart saw it and it inspired him. thanks neil H -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From timminsc at xxx.ie Wed Oct 15 11:36:00 1997 From: timminsc at xxx.ie (Claire Timmins) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:36:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: pastie Message-ID: If I'm not mistaken (however I probably am), 'la pastie...' is a piece of graffiti on the wall right next to Greggs the bakers just off Byres road, so therefore it is about a cheese and onion pastie from the west end of Glasgow. Still don't have the new ep in Dublin. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From S.D.Maclean at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 12:03:08 1997 From: S.D.Maclean at xxx.uk (Stuart Maclean) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 12:03:08 BST Subject: Sinister: 3..6..9 Message-ID: <23745.9710151103@dsse.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Must say I cant see what all the fuss is about with this ep. Dont get me wrong, I'm a big fan of B+S, but other than Century of Fakers which has been released with funnier lyrics anyway (Elvis), the ep is (IMHO) quite weak. The ep has McCarthy feel to it me thinks. And I rushed out Mon morning for it too. Still, great band tho. just my $0.02 -- Stuart ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rwilkin at xxx.au Wed Oct 15 12:22:54 1997 From: rwilkin at xxx.au (Shelley Wilkinson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:22:54 +1000 Subject: Sinister: mour and mour Message-ID: <3444A78E.90@gil.com.au> Tanya101 at n2k.com wrote.... >Interesting but useless factoid: Lenny Waronker is the father of Anna >Waronker, singer/songwriter/guitar of the recently deceased american >pop band That Dog. and he's also the 2nd cousin of willie waronker, who once owned a confectionery factory of some sort.... i do need some sleep shelley ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 95516123 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 12:37:52 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:37:52 +0000 Subject: Sinister: mour and mour Message-ID: <000174DE.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> Interesting but useless factoid: Lenny Waronker is the father of Anna Waronker, singer/songwriter/guitar of the recently deceased american pop band That Dog. no, I haven't had time to get the new ep yet. > A record exec called Waronker > Had a trick with a prize-winning conker > "When picking out hits, > I smash CDs to bits, > And anything left is a stonker" > > The new Belle and Sebastian EP > was undamaged in the melee > "This one is still fine, > I'll ring Seymour Stein, > But what in the 'eck is Pastie?" > > Sorry. This must also mean that he's the father of Joey Waronker who played on a couple of Idaho tracks on their second album. The Archdeacon of Pop ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- Received: from envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (129.215.72.168) by CSUNT2.napier.ac.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 000170CD; Tue, 14 Oct 97 17:10:07 +0000 Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA13835 for sinister-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:43:50 +0100 Received: from battra.telebase.com (mail at battra.telebase.com [192.132.57.100]) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA13828 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:43:45 +0100 Received: (from mail at localhost) by battra.telebase.com (8.8.3/8.8.1) id KAA06268 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(172.16.2.129) by battra.telebase.com via smap/n2k (V1.3) id sma006242; Tue Oct 14 10:43:25 1997 Received: from 172.17.2.126 ([172.17.2.126]) by wormhole.telebase.com (8.8.5/8.8.1) with SMTP id KAA06824; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <344384CF.5A80 at n2k.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:42:24 -0400 From: tanya Organization: N2K Entertainment X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'sinister'" Subject: Re: Sinister: mour and mour References: <199710141353.OAA15254 at hgty.capgemini.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tanya From 95516123 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 12:35:36 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:35:36 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Favourite track Message-ID: <000174DB.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> > I would agree with you on the covers front. 'Dog..' was VERY > Smithsian almost to the point of self-parody. A sure fire > case of wearing influences on your sleeve. I'm also reminded > of the old Woodentops and, to an extent Housemartins, > sleeves. Anyone else have an opinion? Funny, I never thought of the Smiths with the Dog on Wheels cover, but yesterday when I saw the cover of 3..6..9 I thought of them immediatly. The colours reminded me of "Rank". I like the B & S covers, very nice. And I like the wee stories. The smiths never gave you a wee story. The last band who's covers I loved were that of Suede. Remember the white backgrounds with the 'artistic' images on the front? I was gutted when they stopped doing them. I'm very talkative today, aren't I? Chris Hi Chris. I haven't seen the cover of the new ep - but I'm going to buy it today after uni. I was at a club in Edinburgh last Saturday and they played a couple of tracks from it which was of course excellent. I know what you mean about the Suede covers - I saw an article about them somewhere which also included most of the old covers which was nice and made ----------me dig them out to look at. The Archdeacon of Pop .---------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . 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(tm) -- http://www.us.net/ Received: by chicago.uu.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCD888.32F218D0 at chicago.uu.net>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:01:54 -0500 Received: from duct.mail.pipex.net by chicago.uu.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id XTYCWBDK; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:01:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 155 invoked from network); 14 Oct 1997 15:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cardhu.murrayj.com) (194.131.244.15) by relay.pipex.net with SMTP; 14 Oct 1997 15:11:55 -0000 Received: by cardhu.murrayj.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCD8BB.F3FCDB90 at cardhu.murrayj.com>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:12:22 +0100 Message-ID: From: Chris Leonard To: "'Sinister'" Subject: Re[2]: Sinister: Favourite track Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:12:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Chris Leonard From 95516123 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 13:42:02 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:42:02 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Friday Message-ID: <00017549.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> Hello, I know this is straying off-list somewhat, but just out of interest, is anyone going to see Luna and The Pastels in Edinburgh on Friday? There is a slight link because Stuart wrote a little piece for the Pastels press release which accompanies the promo of their new album. It was a sort of "Why I love the Pastels" reminiscence-type affair. If anyone's interested, I could type it up for all to see. The Archdeacon of Pop ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 96a10193 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 14:41:33 1997 From: 96a10193 at xxx.uk (KATHLEEN MARY ANDERSON) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:41:33 GMT Subject: Sinister: t -burts Message-ID: have just had another b &s t shirt moment, incidents which are becoming increassssssingly common, 'n happen virtually every time now that i wear my bus t. this time it was the bloke in our college shop who was wondering "if i really was" the girl wearing a b & s t shirt last week. he has a nice smile and was interested in the crayons i was buying too, so i'll have to remember he's a nice boy next time i go there. last week the boy serving at margiotta corner store said he liked it and that he knows richard.... everybody i meet seems to know somebody who's friends with or been out with or eaten quiche with ssssomebody in the band ... and that 'ole bus shirt attracted lotsa attention when i was home south for the summer too, so it's not just being in scotland . has anybody had any reeeelly interesting t shirt moments out in "the fray" of the big wide world? the other kate ps is orange /brown bus one. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 12:23:02 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:23:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: La, la la la Message-ID: <01BCD965.155E09E0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Theres a bit of graffiti in Glasgow somewhere on Renfrew Street according to my flatmates that just says' La Pastie de la Bourgeoisie' [Keith Watson] Naughty Chris Geddes needs reprimanding for his Roses-style stunt in Glasgow - I take it you've noticed the enormous amount of V-Twin grafitti around Byres Road and Great Western Road... Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 14:04:19 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:04:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Are we all bourgeoisie now?! In-Reply-To: <01BCD94F.43FDEDD0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Keith Watson wrote: > so does everyone else feel the same way, or are we > all feeling a little fragile about our little > bourgeouise beatnik pasts? ;-) > > the duke > > [Keith Watson] > I'm completely in agreement too - I'm just surprised how much he knows about these kind of people living in Glasgow - there are none of them there. I live in Edinburgh where all the Oxford/Cambridge Yah Hooray Henry types come and it's unbelievable. Before coming to University in Edinburgh I didn't know these people existed. It's a case of any excuse not to do a real job, and to have a huge extended "holiday" under the guise of "helping people" (This, at least is the analagous situation that I see to the beat generation thing). I need a bloody holiday - I haven't had one since a week in Llandudno in 1990. > > Cheers, > Keith. > The Oxford/Cambridge Yah Hooray Henry types don't exist. Well not in Cambridge anyway (except possibly Peterhouse College, but they don't count). Edinburgh Uni seems to be like Durham Uni; it's where all the Hooray Henrys go who think they have the right to go to Cambridge or Oxford because they've got lots of money, even though they've not got 2 brain cells to rub together, and then they find out that we don't take wankers like them here. Personally, I'm on a full student grant, which makes me just as down to earth as people anywhere else; all this "they go to Cambridge, they must be snobs" stuff is complete balls. Phew, that was a bit vitriolic, I don't know what came over me. Has anyone read this week's Melody Maker? It's got a full page "Tour Diary" type thing written by B&S about their time in New York, in the form of imaginary messages left on an Answerphone to someone in Glasgow while they were there. It's well worth a read, if you can tear yourselves away from researching the Waronker family history... 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Wed Oct 15 15:05:32 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:05:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: arse, arse, arse Message-ID: <0039600000356945000002L052*@MHS> well, morning off and a trip to watford. got to virgin watford and there on the shelves were copies of 3, 6, 9 seconds of light. two copies when i wanted three. but when i asked they said they had some more (two) filed under b&s in the singles racks. hooray. and then he shut my change in the till and had to ring for the manager to come and open it (the tills won't open without a purchase being rung through - some kind of security measure to stop the staff nicking stuff(?)). only he didn't know how to ring for the boss and had to ask the other girl working there. 'first day?' i ask him. 'second as it happens - i worked monday and then had tuesday off and i've forgotten everything...'. took about 5 minutes for this manager to appear but i had nothing else to do so... oh, i meant to ask how many copies they'd ordered but felt that might make me look too suspicious, like a chart rigger or something. oh, and the north london railways have now changed their name to silverlink. i think e.p.n.s link would be more appropriate because silver implies quality. they've painted some of the trains in a new livery too - bright purple and green instead of the usual grey / blue / yellow things, much nicer. they're still the same on the inside though. windscale / sellafield anyone? um, there's been a photo of that graffiti that people have mentioned on the front of the fan club web site for weeks now. photo by laura. hair by maurice. oh, matt n, 341 summer street still? and that bloke in hos pajamas? was it johnny fingers from the boomtown rats by any chance? 8) andy um, arse, arse, arse not really appropriate seeing as i got what i wanted but i thought i'd tie this post in with the last 2. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From timminsc at xxx.ie Wed Oct 15 14:09:55 1997 From: timminsc at xxx.ie (Claire Timmins) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:09:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: La, la la la In-Reply-To: <40B61114180@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: >Theres a bit of graffiti in Glasgow somewhere on Renfrew Street >according to my flatmates that just says' La Pastie de la >Bourgeoisie' >not sure when it first arrived but its definately been arond before I >heard of the single realease, beacuse I can remember discussing what >it meant with them... >We also came up with cake, imagining a 'Let them eat' type situation. >So either its Belle and Sebastian connected or maybe (and this would >make me feel dead cool) Stuart saw it and it inspired him. > >thanks >neil H Nice one Neil. I wasn't too sure of its location but it definately has been around for a while. I was once at Glasgow University. How is it? As far as locating the new single in Dublin. Tower records... one person had heard of them and looked at me as if I would never find it here. HMV....WHO!!!, not even the computer came up with anything on them. Golden Discs...heard of them. Comet Records.. heard of them. NOBODY, BUT NOBODY has it in stock. I normally wouldn't be too fussed but the absence has made me desperate. However, it will probably be cheaper for me to get a friend to buy it in Glasgow and send it, than buy it here anyway..... Desperately wanting to listen to something new, Claire. >-------------------------------------------------- >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Wed Oct 15 15:31:30 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:31:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: tour diary in melody maker this week Message-ID: <0039600000357223000002L032*@MHS> page 15. 8 little bits in the ink polaroid style all to do with the recent new york trip. um, not read it myself yet. one (imaginary) ansaphone message from each member of the band by the looks of it, gospel churches and the world trade centre... andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Wed Oct 15 16:06:42 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:06:42 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199710151355.OAA12157@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> In answer to all the questions about Seymour Styne, this is from the 'Ink Poloroids' book..... "Seymour Styne had flown in from San Francisco to take us out for dinner - and after he had told us all kinds of stories about The Smiths and Madonna - and told Chris he reminded him of Johnny Marr. " This should probably be added to the FAQ as the topic keeps coming up. My fav on the new ep has to be 'Put the book back on the shelf'. I love every single song B&S have released, but would anybody else agree that the tracks on the ep's are not quite as good as those on both the albums? > I know this is straying off-list somewhat, but just out of interest, is anyone going to > see Luna and The Pastels in Edinburgh on Friday. I was thinking about going to this. There's also a Stone Roses tribute band playing Edinburgh this weekend. Anybody going to that? John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Oct 15 15:17:05 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:17:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Confessionals In-Reply-To: <199710151355.OAA12157@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, John Stuart wrote: > My fav on the new ep has to be 'Put the book back on the shelf'. I love > every single song B&S have released, but would anybody else agree that the > tracks on the ep's are not quite as good as those on both the albums? Well... all I can do is disagree with what's been said just twice now. I hate to be boring but: it's set me on fire for B&S again. I'll come out the closet and say I must admit that the last two EPs - well I loved them but was a bit worried B&S and me were growing a bit... used to each other maybe? So maybe a teensy bit cautious of what was coming next. I've heard these songs before, but in this format they knock me over, all the way down to the "forward slanting mother of all pudding bowl haircuts". Hey, and why didn't anyone tell me "Belle and Sebastian On The Radio" was such a sweet gorgeous tune: and who plays Neil Young's harmonica?! Oh, and I think they just smashed through another barrier in art: who's heard a lyric with the word "poignancy" in it before? Maybe we should have another competition... Finally there's been a lot of mention of Felt: I confess my ignorance again, so if anyone would like to advise, privately off the list, what I should buy and where I can get it in Edinburgh then please do. Finally finally: I've put a comments form on the WWW page: just for people to tell me what they think of the list etc. Please pop by and register your thoughts about how this list should be: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister Anyway, more confessionals please, I feel a bit tingly here, Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Wed Oct 15 16:49:18 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:49:18 +0000 Subject: Sinister: HMV and Grafitti Message-ID: <199710151438.PAA18896@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> >HMV....WHO!!!, not even the computer came up with anything on them. That's annoying because HMV have an advert in NME with their singles of the week. And who is one of the three bands featured on this? Our favourite 7 piece Glasgow band, that�s who! I remember foolishly going into HMV last year and asking if they had a copy of Tigermilk. They looked at me with a very blank face. Then they entered 'Bellin Sebastian' into the computer. Luckily got a copy in Fopp that same day. It seams a lot of people have a problem with the name of the band. My brother calls them 'Bell-end and Sabastyoid' just to piss me off. >Naughty Chris Geddes needs reprimanding for his Roses-style stunt >in Glasgow - I take it you've noticed the enormous amount of V-Twin >grafitti around Byres Road and Great Western Road... Yeah, and who the hell is 'DAVE - THE NEW BAND'. It seems to be written everywhere in Edinburgh. John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From CH55808 at xxx.com Wed Oct 15 15:42:47 1997 From: CH55808 at xxx.com (CH55808 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Update Message-ID: <971015104056_-560389107@emout02.mail.aol.com> B and S New York Tour Diary in this weeks Melody Maker. Well Richard what happens is this - forward motion of the aerofoil ( wing ) results in a reduction of pressure above the wing and a smaller increase of pressure below it, this is called lift and it makes the plane fly ! PS - Boo to the Business World ! has been updated including the new EP cover so you know what to look for when you are feverishly scanning the shelves of your local record emporium. http://members.aol.com:/CH55808/sebastian/index.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 15:45:23 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:45:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Are we all bourgeoisie now?! Message-ID: <01BCD981.5A29AAE0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> The Oxford/Cambridge Yah Hooray Henry types don't exist. Well not in Cambridge anyway (except possibly Peterhouse College, but they don't count). Edinburgh Uni seems to be like Durham Uni; it's where all the Hooray Henrys go who think they have the right to go to Cambridge or Oxford because they've got lots of money, even though they've not got 2 brain cells to rub together, and then they find out that we don't take wankers like them here. Personally, I'm on a full student grant, which makes me just as down to earth as people anywhere else; all this "they go to Cambridge, they must be snobs" stuff is complete balls. Phew, that was a bit vitriolic, I don't know what came over me. [Keith Watson] Hey - relax - I didn't suggest that everyone who wen't there was like that - I did actually miss out the word "rejects" from the sentence which was actually what I meant to say. It is indeed like Durham Uni, Edinburgh - or at least so I'm told by my friend who went to Durham. How to describe these people... Dunno.... Home Counties, Inbred, Loud in public, very irritating? Difficult. Quite a number of my friends went to Oxford/Cambridge too. In any case, given the inbreeding I'd find it difficult to believe these people would make it as far as Oxbridge. Sorry - didn't mean to offend Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 16:07:17 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:07:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: HMV and Grafitti Message-ID: <01BCD984.691DEA90@rainbow.qss.co.uk> >Naughty Chris Geddes needs reprimanding for his Roses-style stunt >in Glasgow - I take it you've noticed the enormous amount of V-Twin >grafitti around Byres Road and Great Western Road... Yeah, and who the hell is 'DAVE - THE NEW BAND'. It seems to be written everywhere in Edinburgh. [Keith Watson] I think this was a festival stunt - I don't think it's an actual band. It would be more accurate if it had said DAVE - KEITH'S EX-FLATMATE But then - I'm not in the habit of tagging things. On the subject of the EP's I Personally rate the Belle and Sebastian stuff in this order: 1. Tigermilk 2. The EP's 3. If you're feeling sinister I just don't think IYFS holds together as much as a record as Tigermilk does - I mean, they're brilliant songs, but invariably I only listen to some of it... whereas Tigermilk I always listen to the whole thing. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Wed Oct 15 20:31:06 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:31:06 -0700 Subject: Sinister: blue velour Message-ID: <344519FA.779A@earthlink.net> hey. this is just to let everyone know how much of a sad sack i am. yesterday i was in Target trying to find some blank tapes, and across the way from the electronics section, was the menswear department. now, target isn't exactly the place you'd expect to find good clothes, but damn they had some nice shirts in there, and they were all on sale (i sound like a woman)...anyway, i spotted this blue pullover from afar and went to expect it....it was blue velour with a little silky thing towards the bottom, it wasn't a shirt, it's one of those pullover light jacket things you wear when it starts to get cold. and it was only 19 bucks. so now i can dress in blue velour and silk. i need a hobby. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Oct 15 16:26:38 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:26:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Confessionals In-Reply-To: <0039600000358658000002L082*@MHS> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Andrew Dean wrote: > >*http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > > i think all urls sent to this list should be spelt correctly As Andy pointed out I'm tripping over myself. Good idea Andy, I'll make this policy :) Obviously it's: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister Sorry - Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ECULB at xxx.uk Thu Oct 16 00:31:40 1997 From: ECULB at xxx.uk (MR J C Y NG) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: hello Message-ID: Hello, can anyone read this? I have just started using e-mail at my university and I'm not exactly sure how it all works yet! Can someone e-mail me please about anything? Belle and Sebastian are great! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From PMA97CW at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 16:39:29 1997 From: PMA97CW at xxx.uk (Chris Worth) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:39:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: velour Message-ID: <33378C629D@derwent.shef.ac.uk> Superbob, you already have done something pretty! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cleonard at xxx.COM Wed Oct 15 09:18:46 1997 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 03:18:46 -0500 Subject: Sinister: John Denver Message-ID: > Jeff Buckley I know nothing about. He certainly sounds intersting, but then > people are hardly likely to understate someone's talent after they died, > are they? > But is he basically country-influenced, only I take it more 'modern' than > someone like Denver, or James Taylor, who is the other singer-songwriter > who I know quite well......? I wouldn't have said Jeff Buckley was country influenced. He was more sort of dreamy Led Zep sort of Sting kind of Ella Fitzgerald. He had one of the most incredible voices that I've ever heard. I was lucky enough to see him in 1995 and he was splendid. I always thought he would go on to be a total megastar cos he pretty much had it all - songs, voice, looks you know. Such a waste upsets me greatly. I'll have to lighten the mood now Q. What did the gardener do to his trumpet plant? A. He rooted it oot Sorry to stray off B&S once again Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From PMA97CW at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 17:01:29 1997 From: PMA97CW at xxx.uk (Chris Worth) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:01:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: T-shirts Message-ID: <3395832488@derwent.shef.ac.uk> I was going to write a lengthy diatribe about Belle and her good friend Sebastian, but I can't be arsed now. Today is quite dull. I still haven't woken up yet. Somebody wake me up. Chris. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Wed Oct 15 17:05:08 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:05:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:t-burts Message-ID: <01bcd984$1bf542e0$LocalHost@default> I had the orange/brown t-shirt as well. Not one person commented on it when I was in London last month. I went to Glasgow 3 days later for the university open day thing, again no one said anything even though it was crawling with students. I'm going to New York tomorrow so I'll try for recognition there as well, somebody has to say something. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From scc644 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 18:48:29 1997 From: scc644 at xxx.uk (Soozy) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:48:29 +0000 Subject: Sinister: to any Oxford residents.... Message-ID: <2FA55A3BDE@novell4.bham.ac.uk> Just a little warning that Birmingham rag are doing their rag raid in Oxford this coming Saturday... so if anyone wants to meet me who hasn't, or if anyone who knows me wants to see me looking a complete prat in whatever we decide to dress up in this week, then mail me and we can arrnge somewhere/somewhen to meet. Soozy xox Oh, and the rest of you - don't think you've escaped... we've got Cambridge, Bristol and Glasgow lined up for November ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mark at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 17:03:55 1997 From: mark at xxx.uk (mark williams) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:03:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: blue velour References: <344519FA.779A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3444E96B.1EB6974B@iisc.co.uk> > damn they had some nice shirts in there, and they were all on sale (i > sound like a woman) sharp intake of breath! tut! tut! .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. `$' # # 'I privately say to you, old friend, please accept from me this _#_ unpretentious bouquet of early-blooming parentheses: (((())))' ( # ) / O \ Lophophora williamsii ( --- ) mark at iisc.co.uk `---' ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 15 18:15:41 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:15:41 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Belles and Bobs Message-ID: <3444FA3D.1E27C94F@colon.net.> Q Magazine again... "Acoustically ambient church caretakers Belle and Sebastian are recording their third album in their home studio." I beg to differ. Church caretakers are not called church caretakers, are they? That bloke on Dad's Army was called the verger, I think. There's another word, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is. I'll have to ask my mum. Paul... Felt... I've said it once and I'll say it again. Denim are much better. Or at least much funnier. And more of an influence on Belle and Sebastian. Sample lyric - "ah what's your name? - yeah mine's that too! " And that's just the tip of a very ample iceberg of lyrical genius. One of my favourite groups ever. Felt are a bit lacklustre in comparison, although I liked them at the time. I even had the honour of seeing them perform once. Lawrence is very small. Someone lowered the tone ever so slightly by shouting "Hey! That's the bass player out of the Long Ryders!" at the mother of all pudding basin bass players. Duffy (now tinkling the ivories with Bobby and the Screamies) was particularly miserable. Showed no signs of life whatsoever from the wrists up. Like a piano playing Nick Knox. I think there's a couple of compilations available, Bubblegum something and Absolute Bastard Classics. I believe they may have played their last ever concert in Greenock. Or maybe it was just their last ever concert in Greenock. As opposed to their last ever concert ever ever. Such is my love of Denim that I would be only too happy to supply you with a poor quality tape of durable Denim classics. Has anyone heard this new Norman Wisdom compilation? Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mjouan at xxx.com Wed Oct 15 19:19:39 1997 From: mjouan at xxx.com (Michelle Jouan) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:19:39 -0700 Subject: Sinister: t-shirt adventures Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971015181939.006d6bf0@mailbox.previewtravel.com> >has anybody had any reeeelly interesting t shirt moments out in "the >fray" of the big wide world? no. :'( but at the morrissey concert in san diego last friday, a kind scottish fellow and i chatted about them. :) he was wearing a LLPJ one that he made himself. he's seen them perform on numerous occasions, as he's from glasgow. :) michelle ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 20:29:38 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:29:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belles and Bobs -Reply References: Message-ID: <344519A2.30BD66CD@mail.zynet.co.uk> Kelso wrote: > P.Miller wrote: > >>>Church caretakers are not called church > >>>caretakers, are they? > >>>>> > > Sextons, they're called sextons. I've got 12 > years in > Catholic schools to thank for that knowledge. so Sexton Ming, right, d'you reckon he's a sexton then? bugger all to do with Belle & Sebastian. respect, the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 20:25:49 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:25:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belles and Bobs References: <3444FA3D.1E27C94F@colon.net.> Message-ID: <344518BC.5C3E4EA7@mail.zynet.co.uk> > Felt... > I've said it once and I'll say it again. Denim > are much > better. only because you're either too young to know better or deaf ;-) > Or at least much funnier. granted. and humour is important in Pop, but lawrence always had a sense of humour. i mean, go listen to 'Index' ;-) > And more of an influence > on Belle and Sebastian. Sample lyric - "ah > what's your name? > - yeah mine's that too! " And that's just the > tip of a very > ample iceberg of lyrical genius. One of my > favourite groups > ever. Felt are a bit lacklustre in comparison, > although I > liked them at the time. okay then, so just deaf then! not meaning to be nasty here, Peter, but honestly, it's just that, well i can't even BEGIN to understand how someone can say that 'Denim On Ice' is a better sounding record than 'crumbling the antiseptic beauty'. it's just beyond my comprehension. then again after a day in school there's not much that's not beyond my comprehension. > Lawrence is very small. but prefectly formed. And i DO love the fist Denim LP, before you start saying anything... i even dropped (hey! DJ speak for 'played') 'Robin's NEst' in our Living Room club the other weekend... went down a storm. ha ha! as did 'Supermarket'. The Ray Keith mix on plus 8 is a bona fide proto jungle classic. perhaps. two young boys from denmark indeed. respectfully, the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Oct 15 20:41:23 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:41:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: pasties? References: <68DC7594.MD-0.196.steve@seahorses.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <34451C62.F50DB41F@mail.zynet.co.uk> > Seriously though, after turning the sleeves > round & therefore covering > up the barcodes with price stickers we sold only > 20 less Belle & > Sebastian EPs on monday than Spice Girls > singles. We didn't sell a > single 12inch though. Am I alone in wondering > why you can't put four > songs on a 7inch? Or at least make the 12inch > the same price as the > CD single (ours are a pound dearer <- sorry > Leslie) well of course you CAN quite clearly fit four songs (and even five) on a 7", but you're probably gonna have to make it spin at 33, and it'll sound cack most likely, and hey! POP is about two song 7"s anyway, is it not? In plastic bags, hand sleeved by elves. um, is there still a rule that you're not allowed more than five tracks on a 12" single? any more and it's a (mini)LP... well that was the excuse we used to hear back in the subway days. nice news about the spicey grrls though. only 20 copies more, eh? so Belle and Seb will be number 3 then? with a bullet. assuming here of course that Dame Elton will be number one until hell freezes over... and probably that won't even shift it. tra la la, the duke, who has just listened to Sha-La-La 1 (don't laugh that man Hopkins, it was for a tape) and found it... lacking. ALthough i'm making a bet that the character with the floppy bowl cut in the sleeve story is in fact a Cloud. Man, they had bowl cuts to die (laughing) for. Oh yeah, and a sneaking suspicion that the bod copying the postcard cat was in fact ME! well it could have been you know.. we did do such things in those days. We even made lovely wooden badges of the cat. That and the 'you can't hide your love' dolphin, although those were in tin. burbles on into his tea for hours on end... -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From RONAN.BURKE at xxx.IE Wed Oct 15 16:43:09 1997 From: RONAN.BURKE at xxx.IE (RONAN BURKE) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:43:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: PANTS !! Message-ID: <198AF41B06@[bee.ucg.ie]> Hello , this is my first letter to the sinister list . i thought i was the only person in Ireland on it until i read Claire Timmins message . I too wandered the record shops of Dublin searching for the B&S single but alas i endured many the bemused look and my search came up empty handed . Tower records and Freebird records were the only places to have heard of them ! I hear people talking about HMV in England with shelves stocked full of the new single . Oh well , i guess i'll have to resort to mailorder . Ronan Burke. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Thu Oct 16 00:38:38 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 23:38:38 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Belles and Bobs Message-ID: <199710152229.XAA10524@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> P. Miller wrote 15/10/97: >Felt... >I've said it once and I'll say it again. Denim are much >better. Or at least much funnier. And more of an influence >on Belle and Sebastian. I can't see how that could be. Funny maybe - I always thought Denim were a bit of a joke - come on, I believe they even used the two drummers from the Glitter Band on 'Back in Denim' for that 'authentic 70's feel'. Of course 'Middle of the Road' is a great song, but has anyone listened to their more recent offerings - 'Denim on Ice' etc. - utter bollocks. I got sent the 'Summer Smash' single during the summer and (if I haven't swapped it already) you're welcome to it. The lyrics and delivery are cringible - matched only by that song they did - something about falling off the back of a lorry I think - last year. When I had to review it I squirmed with embarassment - more for Lawrence than myself. On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, John Stuart wrote: > My fav on the new ep has to be 'Put the book back on the shelf'. I love > every single song B&S have released, but would anybody else agree that the > tracks on the ep's are not quite as good as those on both the albums? My favourite too, and got a very good reception when played at The Egg on the last couple of Saturdays. I particularly liked the use of the Sebastian character (from 'Belle and Sebastian' on LLPJ ?) - and the "king of all the hipstersŠ or are you still the Queen" lyric. For me the first hearing was like the first time I heard Felt's 'Bitter End' Love's 'Your mind and we belong together' and 14 Iced Bears' 'Cut' - in short, my pop world moved. anyway, now my rambling time is up. Byeee, Paul "Go to work on an Egg" - The Egg Marketing Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From muellerj at xxx.edu Wed Oct 15 23:59:43 1997 From: muellerj at xxx.edu (Telepathic Traffic) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:59:43 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: t-shirt adventures In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971015181939.006d6bf0@mailbox.previewtravel.com> Message-ID: its not a B&S shirt story, but amusing I guess..... once while I was at a convention someone offered a certain kind of favor, ironically, if I gave her my Ned's Atomic Dustbin "Not Sleeping Around" t-shirt. *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& & another piece of drama mind: * *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& "peanut butter toast and american bandstand teach me how to cook teach me how to dance" On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Michelle Jouan wrote: > >has anybody had any reeeelly interesting t shirt moments out in "the > >fray" of the big wide world? > > no. :'( > but at the morrissey concert in san diego last friday, a kind scottish > fellow and i chatted about them. :) he was wearing a LLPJ one that he made > himself. he's seen them perform on numerous occasions, as he's from glasgow. > > :) > michelle > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mjouan at xxx.com Thu Oct 16 00:13:20 1997 From: mjouan at xxx.com (Michelle Jouan) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:13:20 -0700 Subject: Sinister: t-shirt adventures Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971015231320.006cc5c0@mailbox.previewtravel.com> >Return-Path: >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:59:43 -0600 (MDT) >From: Telepathic Traffic >To: Michelle Jouan >cc: sinister at majordomo.net >Subject: Re: Sinister: t-shirt adventures > > >its not a B&S shirt story, but amusing I guess..... >once while I was at a convention someone offered a certain kind of favor, >ironically, if I gave her my Ned's Atomic Dustbin "Not Sleeping Around" >t-shirt. > >*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& >& another piece of drama mind: * >*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& > > "peanut butter toast and american bandstand > teach me how to cook > teach me how to dance" > >On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Michelle Jouan wrote: > >> >has anybody had any reeeelly interesting t shirt moments out in "the >> >fray" of the big wide world? >> >> no. :'( >> but at the morrissey concert in san diego last friday, a kind scottish >> fellow and i chatted about them. :) he was wearing a LLPJ one that he made >> himself. he's seen them perform on numerous occasions, as he's from glasgow. >> >> :) >> michelle >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike at xxx.uk Thu Oct 16 00:41:34 1997 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:41:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: pasties? In-Reply-To: <34451C62.F50DB41F@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:41:23 +0100, duke of harringay said: << um, is there still a rule that you're not allowed more than five tracks on a 12" single? any more and it's a (mini)LP... well that was the excuse we used to hear back in the subway days. >> I think this only applies chartwise. Any more than 4 different songs, *or* over 20mins playing time, and its not a single format any more. Except for where the tracks are all mixes of the same song, when there is a max. of 40mins playing time. This was the case when I last worked in a record shop (which is thankfully a long time ago). Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics/Bacchanalian Revel homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From gram at xxx.com Thu Oct 16 00:47:17 1997 From: gram at xxx.com (gram) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:47:17 -0500 Subject: Sinister: that sound... Message-ID: <86256531.00826693.00@internet-503.interliant.com> on Mayfly, towards the end, the kind of buzzing keyboard? anyone know what instrument that is? g r a m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Thu Oct 16 08:14:05 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:14:05 -0700 Subject: Sinister: that sound... References: <86256531.00826693.00@internet-503.interliant.com> Message-ID: <3445BEBD.654D@earthlink.net> gram wrote: > > on Mayfly, towards the end, the kind of buzzing keyboard? > anyone know what instrument that is? > > g r a m > it sounds to me like someone hit the button that said "saxophone" on some keyboard with 99 different sounds. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike at xxx.uk Thu Oct 16 08:03:43 1997 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:03:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: that sound... In-Reply-To: <86256531.00826693.00@internet-503.interliant.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:47:17 -0500, "gram" said: << on Mayfly, towards the end, the kind of buzzing keyboard? anyone know what instrument that is? >> Sounds like a genuine "Rolf Harris Stylophone" to me. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics/Bacchanalian Revel homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From hc97st at xxx.uk Thu Oct 16 08:51:03 1997 From: hc97st at xxx.uk (Simon Tyers) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 8:51:03 BST Subject: Sinister: aaaaaaggggghhhhh! Message-ID: <199710160751.IAA07233@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Having found myself so bores recently that I compiled my favourite 100 songs ever (The State That I Am In No.17,Stars of track & Field No.44), I had the opportunity to go out and watch Scarfo at the Princess Charlotte,Leicester last night. And on what day do you think I had a relapse of my cold on? Exactly. If anyone here works in Leicester HMV (which is a bit of a long shot,but even so...),can you reserve me a copy of 369 Seconds Of Light for next Monday,please? Simon Tyers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Thu Oct 16 08:52:05 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:52:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: pastie References: Message-ID: <3445C7A5.3F21B4B8@virgin.net> Claire Timmins wrote: > > If I'm not mistaken (however I probably am), 'la pastie...' is a piece of > graffiti on the wall right next to Greggs the bakers just off Byres road, > so therefore it is about a cheese and onion pastie from the west end of > Glasgow. > Still don't have the new ep in Dublin. > Yeah, Stuart Murdoch did that, oh the vandal. That's the image we've got on our current front page if you care to see it. Also it's in the Dog On Wheels video, if anyone remembers. David Kitchen (lost and wondering what to do since credit failed to buy me a new 'puter and this one will probably disintegrate soon.) PS: Today we'll be finding out if Belle and Sebastian will be playing Top Of The Pops or not, news to follow. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfuchs at xxx.ie Thu Oct 16 09:34:45 1997 From: sfuchs at xxx.ie (Sven Fuchs) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:34:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: PANTS !! Message-ID: <3445D1A5.2658@nmrc.ucc.ie> Hey, it seems the number of B&S fans here in Ireland is growing steadily. We should use this momentum and lobby the goverment, the record trade, the press! With the presidential election coming up! Sven ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Thu Oct 16 09:59:01 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:59:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: that sound... Message-ID: <01BCDA1A.21C69AC0@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> << on Mayfly, towards the end, the kind of buzzing keyboard? anyone know what instrument that is? >> >Sounds like a genuine "Rolf Harris Stylophone" to me. >Mike It is indeed the very wonderful Stylophone. I seem to recall the said instrument causing a few sound problems for the band at one of the Glasgow QMU gigs. And wasn't there some kind of "Stylophone orchestra" playing in the Eighties? On a different musical note, each time I hear "Le Pastie...", I am reminded of The Monochrome Set. It's in the tempo, the guitar sound......even Stuart's voice reminds me of Bid (Monochrome Set's singer, who was the son of an Indian Prince, or something). Mmmm.....another great pop band - anyone else spot the likeness? And Simon Tyers from Leicester........for heaven's sake, don't shop in HMV - buy your records from Rockaboom! I bought the 7" for 99p and the cd for 1.98. It's a MUCH BETTER SHOP all round (and I don't even work there!). Also go see Yo La Tengo at the Charlotte on Sat 8th Nov. A brilliant band - kind of like a Velvets-meet-Stereolab-in-a-David-Lynch-movie. You won't regret it! Nigel xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeepster.uk at xxx.net Thu Oct 16 10:41:50 1997 From: jeepster.uk at xxx.net (Katrina House) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:41:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belles and Bobs References: <3444FA3D.1E27C94F@colon.net.> <344518BC.5C3E4EA7@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3445E15E.4C9@virgin.net> duke of harringay wrote: > > Lawrence is very small. > > but prefectly formed. Duke .... what do you mean? was he born to be a prefect at school? and how would you know anyway? silly silly silly ... Katrina. ps love you really! :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk Thu Oct 16 19:37:56 1997 From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:37:56 -0700 Subject: Sinister: 3...6...9...seconds of listening Message-ID: <44665420.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> I bought the EP yesterday in Our Price in Swiss Cottage (the nearest record shop to where I work, which is usually unrivalled for the poverty of its range but good grief, there the CD single nestled, next to the ubiquitous Not Very Nice Girls. Heaven or hell for �1.99). On first listen ... I don't wish to stoke controversy but I feel it's patchy and not all of it was instantly resonant. Beautiful is coy and may grow on me. Fakers is great and funnier than Elvis. Pastie is a triumph. That's all I had time to listen to as I was making chocolate ice cream and had to go out for dinner. Snap judgements I'm sure I'll regret but I'd like to support whoever said (daringly) that the EPs are weaker than the albums! The Monochrome Set reference is a brilliant one. I'm glad someone mentioned the obvious humour that permeates B&S lyrics, despite the grossly unfair way they've been portrayed as the ultimate in fey whimsy. B&S share that with the Monochrome Set - and with Momus, and the Smiths. All misconstrued, but they'll have the last laugh. I'd just like to say that this is a brilliant list and it brings a bit of light to my grey work day. Charlotte ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Thu Oct 16 14:33:50 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:33:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: references in new ep Message-ID: <0039600000367426000002L062*@MHS> well, i spotted echo and the bunnymen (twice, in the story and "songs to learn and sing"), the pastels ("songs for children"), postcard records (in the story), judy blume, kerouac, catcher in the rye and sid james. any more? (oh, and can nigel please stop talking about leicester like that, you're making me homesick (although i've never actually lived there)) andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Oct 16 11:27:52 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:27:52 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Belles and Bobs References: <199710152229.XAA10524@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: <3445EC28.B769E5F3@colon.net.> plaird wrote: > P. Miller wrote 15/10/97: > >Felt... > >I've said it once and I'll say it again. Denim are much > >better. Or at least much funnier. And more of an > influence > >on Belle and Sebastian. > > I can't see how that could be. Funny maybe - I always > thought Denim > were a bit of a joke - come on, I believe they even used > the two > drummers from the Glitter Band on 'Back in Denim' for that > > 'authentic 70's feel'. Of course 'Middle of the Road' is a > great > song, but has anyone listened to their more recent > offerings - > 'Denim on Ice' etc. - utter bollocks. > > I got sent the 'Summer Smash' single during the summer and > (if I > haven't swapped it already) you're welcome to it. The > lyrics and > delivery are cringible - matched only by that song they > did - > something about falling off the back of a lorry I think - > last year. > When I had to review it I squirmed with embarassment - > more for > Lawrence than myself. > Hooray, hooray! I'd love it! Almost sent off for it mail order but thought better of it. I'd like to say that the worse Denim get the more I like 'em, but I must admit I thought the Novelty Rock odds'n'sods LP was a bit too much. But I still like Denim more than Felt (and I do like Felt). I've listened to Denim on Ice hundreds of times and I love it. Without any post modern irony or anything. It just gives me pleasure. Embarassment as art, maybe. And there is still a fair degree of depth to it. "Jane Suck Died in '77" for example, is well and truly sad. And the pub rock revival's a cracker. Whenever I see a bunch of hairy guys I always say "there's a bunch of hairy guys" in a Lawrence voice. I've had a photo of Lawrence on my wall for ,ooh, eleven years, I think. He's holding a book called "The Man Who Was Not With It" by Herbert Gold. Does anybody know this book? Sounds like a suitable philosophy for life to me. "Poem of the River" was my favourite Felt opus. The first song (Declaration?) is a good 'un. Lawrence was always very entertaining in interviews. Top bloke in my opinion. Balding nicely. Does what he wants to. Yes, I do think "Denim on Ice" is one of the albums of the nineties. Till deaf do us part. I've never heard "Index". I've got "Gold Mine Trash" but I don't think it goes back that far. Does anybody know the midweek chart position for 3..6..9? Have I asked that before??? Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Oct 16 13:58:09 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:58:09 +0200 Subject: Sinister: that sound... References: <01BCDA1A.21C69AC0@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Message-ID: <34460F61.282DD066@colon.net.> Nigel Turner wrote: > << on Mayfly, towards the end, the kind of buzzing > keyboard? > anyone know what instrument that is? >> > > >Sounds like a genuine "Rolf Harris Stylophone" to me. > > >Mike > > It is indeed the very wonderful Stylophone. I seem to > recall the said instrument causing a few sound problems > for the band at one of the Glasgow QMU gigs. And wasn't > there some kind of "Stylophone orchestra" playing in the > Eighties? > Tell me more! > On a different musical note, each time I hear "Le > Pastie...", I am reminded of The Monochrome Set. It's in > the tempo, the guitar sound......even Stuart's voice > reminds me of Bid (Monochrome Set's singer, who was the > son of an Indian Prince, or something). Mmmm.....another > great pop band - anyone else spot the likeness? > Yes, a bit. I'm hoping B&S do a comilation job like that Monochrome Set one with all the talking on. Can't remember what it was called, with the song my old man's a dustman, only he wasn't a dustman. Bloody good record. > And Simon Tyers from Leicester........for heaven's sake, > don't shop in HMV - buy your records from Rockaboom! I > bought the 7" for 99p and the cd for 1.98. It's a MUCH > BETTER SHOP all round (and I don't even work there!). Which one's Rockaboom! then? I'm an Ultima Thule devotee. More freaks pass through there than a Psychic TV concert. > Also go see Yo La Tengo at the Charlotte on Sat 8th Nov. > A brilliant band - kind of like a > Velvets-meet-Stereolab-in-a-David-Lynch-movie. You won't > regret it! > Has anybody ever seen Will Oldham in action? Playing here on Friday. Blimey, a concert! Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MWaggner at xxx.com Thu Oct 16 14:02:04 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: 3..6..9 Message-ID: <971016090142_2000684818@emout17.mail.aol.com> I woke up this morning groggy from a late night, came downstairs to check my e-mail before getting ready for work -- and here on the computer table was a copy of the new EP -- Good Morning!! Thanks Matt, who must've gotten it at Secret Sounds yesterday. So, I'm listening for the first time as I read the list, and so far it's "A Century of Fakers" that is catching me. That may be because I'm familiar with the melody already or just because it's nice to hear something pretty the morning after a David Bowie show. And I love the rhythm -- or phrasing -- of the words and music weaving together on this song. If this was the first B&S song I ever heard I would love them right away. (And back to an old topic -- the lyric sung is different from the lyric printed almost immediately.) A shame to have to leave this CD and go to work....... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 95516123 at xxx.uk Thu Oct 16 14:40:12 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:40:12 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Re: Message-ID: <00017DE5.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> In answer to all the questions about Seymour Styne, this is from the 'Ink Poloroids' book..... "Seymour Styne had flown in from San Francisco to take us out for dinner - and after he had told us all kinds of stories about The Smiths and Madonna - and told Chris he reminded him of Johnny Marr. " This should probably be added to the FAQ as the topic keeps coming up. My fav on the new ep has to be 'Put the book back on the shelf'. I love every single song B&S have released, but would anybody else agree that the tracks on the ep's are not quite as good as those on both the albums? > I know this is straying off-list somewhat, but just out of interest, is anyone going to > see Luna and The Pastels in Edinburgh on Friday. I was thinking about going to this. There's also a Stone Roses tribute band playing Edinburgh this weekend. Anybody going to that? John S. I have an overwhwlming scepticism towards tribute bands. I can think of nothing sadder in the world of music than pretending to be someone else. Then again, Primal Scream got away with that for years... I'd definitely suggest spending your money on the Luna/Pastels affair. The Archdeacon of Pop ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- Received: from envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (129.215.72.168) by CSUNT2.napier.ac.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 000177B9; Wed, 15 Oct 97 16:29:33 +0000 Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA27614 for sinister-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:54:57 +0100 Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (root at mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3]) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA27610 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:54:52 +0100 Received: from efp.com (efp.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.172]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA12157 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:55:32 +0100 Message-Id: <199710151355.OAA12157 at mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:06:42 +0000 From: "John Stuart" To: sinister at majordomo.net X-Mailer: SpikeMail 3.10 Organization: Edinburgh Financial Publishing Ltd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "John Stuart" From woodpj at xxx.uk Thu Oct 16 16:07:50 1997 From: woodpj at xxx.uk (Nick Morton) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:07:50 +0000 Subject: Sinister: to any Oxford residents.... In-Reply-To: <2FA55A3BDE@novell4.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: Soozy: Hey! Obviously Brum is a hotbed of B&S followers... Well, there's two of us anyway. As a relatively recent convert, is there any consensus as to the greatest B&S song so far?... maybe something really really obscure I shouldn't be able to live without? Anyone else get the bizarre feeling that 'A Century of Fakers' reminds them of 'Six O'Clock is Rosary' by the Harvest Ministers, for no obvious reason? (see, I can be obscure too!) Believe it or not, that was meant as a compliment. And for what its worth, I reckon its a stronger EP than LLPJ. Nick (yes I know my e-mail is p.j.. Don't ask) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From timminsc at xxx.ie Thu Oct 16 15:19:05 1997 From: timminsc at xxx.ie (Claire Timmins) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:19:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: nothing really Message-ID: Bored. So was I right, is the graffitti (how do you spell it?) on Ruthven St or Renfrew as someone else said? Does anybody own any La Bradford stuff? I have one LP but the is all. I'm after their first release. C. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From timminsc at xxx.ie Thu Oct 16 15:15:30 1997 From: timminsc at xxx.ie (Claire Timmins) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:15:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: who knows Message-ID: I think I'm becoming a bigger fan than I ever was due to this mailing list. But it fills up part of my day. I'm bored.... supposedly the band are drinking in Bar Miro every night just now as they are recording, so if anyone desperately wants to see them go there ( bit of an ad for Bar Miro there). And Ronan if you do find a record shop that actually stocks good music tell me. c. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 95516123 at xxx.uk Thu Oct 16 16:08:03 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:08:03 +0000 Subject: Sinister: that sound... Message-ID: <00017F04.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> >on Mayfly, towards the end, the kind of buzzing keyboard? >anyone know what instrument that is? >g r a m Sounds a bit like a stylophone to me, gram. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- Received: from sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (129.215.72.230) by CSUNT2.napier.ac.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 000179B9; Thu, 16 Oct 97 01:09:36 +0000 Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA23185 for sinister-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:45:49 +0100 Received: from safety.worldcom.com (safety.interliant.com [198.64.193.5]) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA23181 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:45:46 +0100 Received: (from smtp at localhost) by safety.worldcom.com (8.8.5/Interliant) id SAA17518 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:43:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from internet-503.interliant.com(198.64.193.51) by safety.worldcom.com via smap (V1.3) id smaa17484; Wed Oct 15 18:43:03 1997 Received: by internet-503.interliant.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 86256531.00826884 ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:44:24 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ILGW @ INTERLIANT INT @ OUTBOUND From: "gram" To: sinister at majordomo.net Message-ID: <86256531.00826693.00 at internet-503.interliant.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:47:17 -0500 Subject: Sinister: that sound... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "gram" From mattn at xxx.com Thu Oct 16 15:17:01 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:17:01 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Le Pastie de la bourgeoisie Message-ID: <01BCDA1C.A5B3E160@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Other possible names for Le Pastie: La pastille de la bourgeoisie. Little candies that the middle class eats? Le pastis de la bourgeoisie. A clear Anise liquor that turns cloudy when mixed with water. Very popular among the middle class of the south of France. L'apathie de la bourgeoisie. My theory is that whoever wrote that graffiti on the Glascow wall was a distressed socialist who failed his/her last French exam. (And apathie is pronounced a bit like a Bostonian saying "a party") Oh, and the story on the liner notes talks about my favorite record label mascot: The Postcard cat banging the drum! I've heard its artist was obsessed with drawing animals playing instruments and couldn't stop. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 95516123 at xxx.uk Thu Oct 16 16:24:37 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:24:37 +0000 Subject: Sinister: that sound... Message-ID: <00017F51.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> >as anybody ever seen Will Oldham in action? Playing here on >riday. Blimey, a concert! >eter Peter, I saw Will on two occasions in Nottingham. The first was with a full band which included a middle-aged fiddle player and was quite astonishing. Shivers ran down my spine during 'Ohio River Boat Song' and I was close to tears as Will sang the line: "Hey my baby, don't slip away" during 'There Is No one...". It was simply one of the most moving spectacles I've ever witnessed. The second time was just Will and acoustic guitar, sitting on what looked like a small, wooden primary school chair. The gig wasn't quite as good. Everyone laughed when he said: "This next song is a Prince cover." Will looked bemused - it actually WAS a Prince song, although I have no idea what it was. The Archdeacon of Pop ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- Received: from sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (129.215.72.230) by CSUNT2.napier.ac.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00017EF7; Thu, 16 Oct 97 15:16:20 +0000 Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA26453 for sinister-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:54:00 +0100 Received: from colon.colon.net ([195.77.4.2]) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA26449 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:53:55 +0100 Received: from itjfvkli ([195.77.4.248]) by colon.colon.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA03633 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:56:22 +0200 Message-ID: <34460F61.282DD066 at colon.net.> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:58:09 +0200 From: "P. Miller / A. Ubieta" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: B&S mailing list Subject: Re: Sinister: that sound... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01BCDA1A.21C69AC0 at tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "P. Miller / A. Ubieta" From nigelt at xxx.net Thu Oct 16 15:57:14 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:57:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: that sound... Message-ID: <01BCDA4C.2CBBB500@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> > And Simon Tyers from Leicester........for heaven's sake, > don't shop in HMV - buy your records from Rockaboom! I > bought the 7" for 99p and the cd for 1.98. It's a MUCH > BETTER SHOP all round (and I don't even work there!). >Which one's Rockaboom! then? I'm an Ultima Thule devotee. More freaks pass through there than a Psychic TV concert. At the risk of deepening Andy Dean's homesickness, and drifting further off-topic, 'cause.....err...... I reckon Utlima Thule is probably the last record shop on planet earth that'd stock Belle & Sebastian stuff (it's a great shop, but it specialises in "Krautrock" and prog stuff. Julian Cope name-checked it in his "Krautrocksampler" book, and can often be seen "hanging out" in said shop. But the guys that run it are, um....rather strange). >Has anybody ever seen Will Oldham in action? Playing here on Friday. Blimey, a concert! Peter, where is "here"? Not Leicester, presumably. (Spiritualized are playing "there" tomorrow, oops...sorry Andy!). But yes, I have seen Will Oldham playing with the Palace Brothers (great band...sort of warped, self-indulgent country music) in Norwich about 4 years ago. They were supporting Tindersticks, with whom Belle & Sebastian have often been compared (phew, got back on topic!) Nigel xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeepster.uk at xxx.net Thu Oct 16 16:49:24 1997 From: jeepster.uk at xxx.net (Katrina House) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:49:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: How are B&S doing ? References: <199710161037.LAA26014@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: <34463784.7AC@virgin.net> ben ferneyhough wrote: > Katrina, is there any way you could tell us all on the list how B&S > are doing > in the mid-week charts (if that isn't illegal) ? Kinda curious, as > lots of > copies seem to be leaving the shelves in the record stores... > Ben. > > Does anybody know the midweek chart position for 3..6..9? > Have I asked that before??? > > Peter Umm...i don't really know if i'm allowed to say, but if you lot promise a) to not tell anyone I told you and b) everyone try their hardest to make this a hit, then the magic number is 25!!! We get mid-weeks everyday now for some reason, and even though 25 looks good, the position was 17 for Monday's sales and 22 for Tuesday's. Basically, anyone who hasn't bought the single, and wants to, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do so before sales end on Saturday, as if we can get it inside the Top 30, it seems pretty definite that B&S will be on TOTP next Friday evening. I'm so f***ing excited!!! I just spoke to Isobel, and she was pretty excited too, so let's hope this one does it. She said that she doesn't watch TOTP anymore, because there's never any bands on it that she likes. But she said that if she wasn't in B&S, and she was watching TOTP when they came on, that she would love to find out more, and fall in love with them. For them to be on would definitely restore my faith in the music industry ... can you imagine the number of people who have never heard of this band and are (well, may be) going to see them on National TV? I've always said that B&S are a band that you need to hear to fall in love with them ... HOW EXCITING! ok, i'll stop dribbling now! Thanks to everyone for your support ... I know the band appreciate it. Cheers, Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rewb2 at xxx.uk Thu Oct 16 17:59:24 1997 From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (R.E.W. Butler) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:59:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: TOTP! Message-ID: wow - so they've really made it to TOTP (we pray) it couldn't have happened to a nicer band rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From timminsc at xxx.ie Thu Oct 16 18:02:15 1997 From: timminsc at xxx.ie (Claire Timmins) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:02:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: totp Message-ID: That is it.. Can somebody help me locate the ep before the end of the week? In Dublin or through mail order of some kind. Good luck to the band for totp. Nice one. Claire ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Oct 16 19:15:27 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:15:27 +0200 Subject: Sinister: that sound...that shop...that soup... References: <01BCDA4C.2CBBB500@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Message-ID: <344659BF.2F7DB105@colon.net.> Nigel Turner wrote: > > > At the risk of deepening Andy Dean's homesickness, and > drifting further off-topic, 'cause.....err...... I reckon > Utlima Thule is probably the last record shop on planet > earth that'd stock Belle & Sebastian stuff (it's a great > shop, but it specialises in "Krautrock" and prog stuff. > Julian Cope name-checked it in his "Krautrocksampler" > book, and can often be seen "hanging out" in said shop. > But the guys that run it are, um....rather strange). > Yes, few people see the prog element in B&S. I've only ever been to Ultima Thule once, but it's like a parallel universe. The fabulous furry Freeman brothers are indeed strange, but really very nice indeed. In the hour or so that I was there, one of them (they are indistinguishable to the untrained eye, like the Max Walls who run that shop on Byres Road together with Jim Foetus) brought the other one some leek and ham soup, which they later had a conversation about. Apparently there wasn't much ham in it. Kosmische, eh? All this to a constant background of wurp-wurp-wurp-wurp cosmic music. And they've got the Star Trek warp drive screen saver on their computer. While one brother is in the shop, the other one's upstairs practising his Klaus Schultze drum pummelling technique. I had great difficulty deciding what to buy, because I'd had the Cope book for ages and failed miserably to find any of the music in cosmic Spain. The best one I got was a second hand (whose hand?) copy of "Yeti" by Amon Duul II for about six quid. I have subsequently bought more Amon Duul II things. My favourite is "Wolf City". In fact I think I'll go and listen to it now....wish me luck. > > > Peter, where is "here"? Not Leicester, presumably. > (Spiritualized are playing "there" tomorrow Bound to pay a visit to Ultima Thule. > , oops...sorry Andy!). But yes, I have seen Will Oldham > playing with the Palace Brothers (great band...sort of > warped, self-indulgent country music) in Norwich about 4 > years ago. They were supporting Tindersticks, with whom > Belle & Sebastian have often been compared (phew, got back > on topic!) > Here is exotic San Sebastian. Or rather there. Because I live and compute just outside. Will Oldham is playing as part of a series of subsidised(!) concerts to keep groovy young kids off the streets and away from the temptaions of drugs and petrol bomb throwing, both major recreational activities round here. Previous beneficiaries of the council's genorosity include Morcheeba, who were really good - honest!, and Red Snapper, who were good too, but Morcheeba were more...erm...entertaining. Tickets cost about two pounds, so you can't really grumble at that. Unless you are a taxpayer. About the Stylophone: Former Stylophone owners will have noticed that on "Mayfly" it is played in the correct "sliding" manner, as demonstrated by Rolf on the instructional flexi disc. Not as easy to master as you may think, as I recall, so three cheers for Belle and Sebastian's Stylophone player! And three cheers for me for a dramatic last minute return to the topic of our favourite oddball popsters! Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Oct 16 19:34:47 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:34:47 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Re: How are B&S doing ? References: <199710161037.LAA26014@brookes.ac.uk> <34463784.7AC@virgin.net> Message-ID: <34465E47.EC2CCF65@colon.net.> Katrina House wrote: > > > Umm...i don't really know if i'm allowed to say, but if > you lot promise > a) to not tell anyone I told you and > b) everyone try their hardest to make this a hit, > then > > the magic number is 25!!! > > We get mid-weeks everyday now for some reason, and even > though 25 looks > good, the position was 17 for Monday's sales and 22 for > Tuesday's. > Basically, anyone who hasn't bought the single, and wants > to, PLEASE > PLEASE PLEASE do so before sales end on Saturday, as if we > can get it > inside the Top 30, it seems pretty definite that B&S will > be on TOTP > next Friday evening. > > I'm so f***ing excited!!! I just spoke to Isobel, and she > was pretty > excited too, so let's hope this one does it. She said > that she doesn't > watch TOTP anymore, because there's never any bands on it > that she > likes. But she said that if she wasn't in B&S, and she > was watching > TOTP when they came on, that she would love to find out > more, and fall > in love with them. For them to be on would definitely > restore my faith > in the music industry ... can you imagine the number of > people who have > never heard of this band and are (well, may be) going to > see them on > National TV? I've always said that B&S are a band that > you need to hear > to fall in love with them ... HOW EXCITING! > > ok, i'll stop dribbling now! > > Thanks to everyone for your support ... I know the band > appreciate it. > > Cheers, > Katrina. Thanks for telling us. I'm excited too. Do you remember the Tony James quotation from back when Sigue Sigue Sputnik were going to be the saviours of rock'n'roll? Something along the lines of "whenever I watch Top of the Pops it's like sticking your head in the fridge hoping to find a nice can of lager and finding it empty except for a cold fish". I hope B&S insist on being introduced by Jimmy Saville "...now then, now then, what have we got here, ladies and gentlemen, what have we got? Some guys and gals from Bonnie Scotland....it's Belle.. (puffs on cigar)..and Sebastian! Uhohuhuhoh!!!...." Of course, it won't be complete unless Stuart forgets the words... Since when was TOTP on Fridays instead of Thursdays? Bloody Tony Blair! Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From dickon at xxx.uk Thu Oct 16 19:59:28 1997 From: dickon at xxx.uk (Richard Edwards) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:59:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: denim, pastels, major labels Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19971016195230.1c175bd2@easynet.co.uk> lawrence from denim sent me a copy of their "summer smash" single... not only did it not come out in the end but the other week Denim were dropped altogether by EMI... the same happened to Stephen Duffy and RCA this year... lawrence's letter mentions how he thinks the Belle and Sebastian/Jeepster way is the only way what with all this "radio playlist or death" madness that the majors are obsessed with. I can speak for painful experience myself of course. Suffice it to say that I'm a lot wiser now, and I refuse to fuck things up with my own new band, Fosca: it's a decent, passionate indie label for me or nothing. looking forward to seeing B&S on TOTP. They will do it, won't they? bought the new (excellent) pastels album. nice to see the illustrious list of additional musicians includes Dean Wareham, Norman and Gerry out of Teenage Fanclub, and a certain Isobel Campbell on cello... i once got stephen and aggi to autograph my copy of "The Bell Jar" at a pastels gig in bristol years ago... still got it. well i'm off to flirt with librarians. dickon x ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From KELSO at xxx.com Thu Oct 16 20:38:32 1997 From: KELSO at xxx.com (Kelso) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:38:32 -0400 Subject: Sinister: just got it Message-ID: So, I finally got around to buying "3..6..9...." today on my lunch break (and due to my compulsive and rabid record purchasing ways, the excursion ended up costing me $86.76, thank you very much.) Anyway I got it at Other Music in NYC...they were very well-stocked on both 7"s and cd-singles. I bought it on both 7" and cd, because, well, because I'm compulsive and rabid. On the artwork: I like it. I like the ultra-simplicity of it...I like the wordlessness of it. I like the image. I'm glad they got a way from that reddish tone which was washed over the last few images. The white is nice and clean and bright, like the music. On the music: I've only spun the cd once so far, but I'm liking "La Pastie..." best...something about the full, hollow-bodied sound of the guitar, very western, I like that...something also about Richard's drum and cymbal work...very nice. Then, i think I like "Put the Book back on the Shelf" --kelso ============================================ "I don't want to come down on you-- I just miss the one I knew." --apples in stereo-- ============================================ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Oct 16 21:20:59 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:20:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: denim, pastels, major labels References: <1.5.4.16.19971016195230.1c175bd2@easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3446772B.B5D4E87E@mail.zynet.co.uk> > i once got > stephen and aggi to autograph my copy of "The > Bell Jar" at a pastels gig in > bristol years ago... still got it. ah, the apathy of the bourgeouisie indeed. Sylvia Plath. How quaint. I expect her to be name dropped in the next single naturally. Some line about forgetting to turn the oven off i expect. Boom boom. Hey, did i ever tell you about the time i went to try and find her house in Boston? Or how when i came back i went up to visit her grave on her birthday? it was very bleak, very misty, very cold. and it was yorkshire. i wrote a poem about it. i used to write poems about lots of things, but they got lost in a fit of rage, so thank your lucky stars you were all spared that. So then... been there, done that. > well i'm off to flirt with librarians. but do they flirt back? the question is weighted heavily upon our pert and moisetened lips. Pray, kiss and tell. love you all. the duke of harringay PS: Richard Edwards indeed. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Thu Oct 16 21:32:14 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:32:14 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: Re: How are B&S doing ? In-Reply-To: <34463784.7AC@virgin.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Katrina House wrote: > ... can you imagine the number of people who have > never heard of this band and are (well, may be) going to see them on > National TV? Oo heck, watch the mailing list fall over with a mad influx of fans in a week's time :) You were all there first folks, Paul very pleased really and hoping he can keep up mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Thu Oct 16 21:47:30 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:47:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: denim, pastels, major labels References: <1.5.4.16.19971016195230.1c175bd2@easynet.co.uk> <3446772B.B5D4E87E@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <34467D62.9C18DE6B@mcmail.com> > dropped in the next single naturally. Some line > about forgetting to turn the oven off i expect. > > Boom boom. heh...if you said that on a manics list you'd be mailbombed :) > it. i used to write poems about lots of things, > but they got lost in a fit of rage, so thank your > lucky stars you were all spared that. mmm...remind me to have a fit of rage then... one of my biggest fears is that I will die and all my shit poetry will be discovered *g* > > well i'm off to flirt with librarians. > > but do they flirt back? the question is weighted > heavily upon our pert and moisetened lips. Pray, > kiss and tell. Duke!!! Control yourself dearie!!! There ARE separate lists for that type of thing y'know... :) (um, not that I'd know, obviously.) And if they DO flirt back then I'm bloody well moving to London cos Didsbury Library's are all old women and they're too boring even to make predictable hair jokes at me like other adults I tangle with... sigh... and I havent even got anyone to go to the library WITH... and they never have any decent books :( Sorry...bad life month... get me away from here I'm dying. Sharpish. Love Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Thu Oct 16 21:56:02 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:56:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: How are B&S doing ? References: <199710161037.LAA26014@brookes.ac.uk> <34463784.7AC@virgin.net> <34465E47.EC2CCF65@colon.net.> Message-ID: <34467F62.55B865A5@mcmail.com> > lines of "whenever I watch Top of the Pops it's like > sticking your head in the fridge hoping to find a nice can > of lager and finding it empty except for a cold fish". Or Fluffy. :) > Of course, it won't be complete unless > Stuart forgets the words... Bet he can't rival Tim Orlando though... he can get the verses OK, it's just the order that he gets stuck on :) We considered making a human autocue last time we saw them...eh Soozy? > Since when was TOTP on Fridays instead of Thursdays? Bloody > Tony Blair! since, like, ages! Get with it! (that was *sarcasm*...) L F K o r a v o t e m e x x x ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aeos at xxx.com Thu Oct 16 21:54:35 1997 From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:54:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Denim in the Dock Message-ID: <199710162109.WAA29859@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> > I can't see how that could be. Funny maybe - I always thought Denim > were a bit of a joke - come on, I believe they even used the two > drummers from the Glitter Band on 'Back in Denim' for that > 'authentic 70's feel'. Of course 'Middle of the Road' is a great > song, but has anyone listened to their more recent offerings - > 'Denim on Ice' etc. - utter bollocks. My defence against anyone who suggests Denim to be in any way and at any time rubbish is that it is simply an impossible notion, seeing as everything they do, you can be sure, sure as the Pope's Polish [Aaaah - clever manipulation!], that they know *exactly* what it's going to be like. OK, if they wanted to sound *sincere* they might run into problems, but just as long as they remain tacky and wacky, and are taking the piss out of the 80s, with such great titles as 'Synthesizers in the Rain', they're doing OK in my books. * * * * * Andrew O'Sullivan aeos at dial.pipex.com http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan "It's one for the money, two for the money, three for the money." * * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Thu Oct 16 22:22:41 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:22:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Denim in the Dock References: <199710162109.WAA29859@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <344685A1.1AFD1DB0@mcmail.com> > just as long as they remain tacky and wacky, and are taking the piss > out of > the 80s, with such great titles as 'Synthesizers in the Rain', they're > > doing OK in my books. It's "Vienna" ! It's "Vienna" ! :) Well I think Denim are fantastique... "Summer Smash" was OK, pity it was never released *grr* still at least I got my promo CD to stick on mix tapes for unsuspecting acquaintances *hehehehe* Hey is 'Judy' from #nmechat on this list? Love Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnj at xxx.com Thu Oct 16 22:41:30 1997 From: johnj at xxx.com (J Jackson) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:41:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Judy and the Dream of Horses/Twin Peaks Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971016224130.00693d60@mail.u-net.com> Oi! someone told me about Twin Peaks- Fire Walk With Me (the film) and that Laura Palmers mum keeps dreaming of horses and there is a monkey that keeps calling Laura Palmer 'Judy' weird eh that film was out , what in 1992? anyone else know anything about this? JJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Thu Oct 16 23:14:49 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:14:49 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: DIGEST USERS - VOTE! Message-ID: Suggestion that I change the frequency of the digest version of this list - 'scuse the CAPS but I would like people reading the digests to notice... The digests currently come out once a day. I don't mind how often these come out, but I can only automatically generate these on one of the following two criteria: 1. Period: a single number of days, minimum(!) 1. or (that's an "or", folks): 2. Size: in fact in bytes but I can work this out So could digest users please tell me if they want a change: preferably by voting for a change via my WWW page, as always (pause to get this right, Andrew..) http://www.majordomo.net/sinister If you want to use a size criteria, give me a number of messages per digest on the "other comments" box unless I get round to changing the form. If you are happy with the current one-per-day tell me that too! Finally if you haven't got WWW access please send me a message - not to the list, but to me personally. But if you can get to the WWW use the form. Sorry it's SO dull isn't it? Oh, all the people who sent me Felt info and offers, I am overwhelmed by all your generosity! And I will mail back soon when I get breathing space! Even Pete the Denim King! Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Fri Oct 17 11:18:17 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:18:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: pastie reviews here: Message-ID: <0039600000375866000002L062*@MHS> ok, i'm so bored i thought i'd do this. these are the two single of the week reviews in the music papers week ending october 4th. i've not seem them posted before, apologies (and curses) if they have been A musical box left playing in a long-abandoned nursery. "A Century Of Fakers"" is the Velvet Underground ("Pale Blue Eyes", say), and The Pastels, and Donovan, and The Seekers all in one delicious bundle. It's not fey, it's not twee: just simple, straightforwardly, beautiful. If you can write a tune this stunning, why smother it with overly-lush arrangements or loud guitars? In contrast, "Le Pastie De La Bourgeoisie" is a speedy but dark Western soundtrack. The disconcertingly truthful press release - courtesy of guitarist Stevie - reveals that he rates it but "Wee Chris on keyboards thinks it sucks." Sorry Chris; I'm with Stevie on this one. It's only when we get to "Beautiful" that i understand why Belle & Sebastian have left some people cold. It sounds aimless at first; but then it blossoms into something cherishable, if awkward, like a butterfly struggling out of its cocoon. (Besides, ever since Animals That Swim, I've been a sucker for poignant trumpet solos.) So heart-piercingly perfect, I can only prostrate myself in awe. Tania Branigan, Melody Maker, 4th October 1997 ------- Shall we curse them with the tag of the Best New Band In Britain? The B&S masterpiece has still to come, but right now this four-song EP towers above everything else, briefly restoring your faith in pop music. Two albums, a few EPs - it isn't a huge canon of work, but already Belle & Sebastian are quite obviously an important group. Why? Well, anyone who can write stuff at this stage in the game as good as "La Pastie De La Bourgeoisie" and the wistful "Put The Book Back On The Shelf" will one day do something so breathtakingly great that we'll all just drop down dead from the shock of pleasure. And songs like "Beautiful" are archetypal white adolescent bedroom blues, less obviously ripe for parody than the Tindersticks, fresher and untainted by the unremitting blackness of Nick Cave. Like all tragedy, it is faintly ridiculous. It's more than just the ability to write emotionally affecting songs, though they do get you with the hairs on the back of the neck. They have the same European coolness, the comforting depression of Francois Hardy, the arch wordplay of Morrissey (when he was good) and the pathos of Nick Drake. Most importantly, "Beautiful" could so easily have been some smarty waspish sneer, like Morrissey at his worst, but Stuart Murdoch's mellow Donovanish voice carries such emotional depth and sincerity it saves all their songs from this. Yeah, they are the best new band in Britain. But don't tell everyone. And, yeah, they really are wet and twee. Wanna step outside and make something of it? Tommy Udo, New Musical Express, 4th October 1997 my thoughts? i'd heard "fakers" and "book" before and these are my favourites from the ep. the others seem too wordy somehow, almost as if he's trying to be too clever with the words and didn't write the music to match. having heard most of the new lp played live it's going to be a corker but this isn't quite up to that standard somehow. um, well that filled up 20 minutes. only 90 left to go. worse still, i keep thinking it's friday today somehow. sigh. oh, and has anyone else noticed that if a mail has -- at the start of a line then the rest of that post appears in the archive in a fixed width font rather than a proportionally space font? god, i'm so sad. andy matt, it's in the post and mike(?) i'll finish it tonight, check it and post it tomorrow. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Fri Oct 17 10:08:02 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:08:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: How are B&S doing ? Message-ID: <01BCDAE4.8E9C0700@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Since when was TOTP on Fridays instead of Thursdays? Bloody Tony Blair! Peter [Keith Watson] Tragedy, isn't it... Tomorrow's world isn't even on on a Thursday any more.... is nothing sacred. I guess Belle and Sebastian will be on the Chart Show again on Saturday, presuming it'll be number one in the independent charts - however this weeks number 1 in the indie chart is the "Backstreet Boys" so maybe that'll stay there. Nice Kraut Rock piece Peter, it's made me want to go out and find the Amon Duul record. I;ve only really got Can stuff (oh and all the Kraftwerk records - actually do David and Katrina work for Rough Trade, it was in that shop I bought a pile of Kraftwerk albums a few years ago when we were down for the NME Styoudent pop quiz), but a friend of mine played the first two Neu records once and they were dead good, naturally difficult to get though - one of these days perhaps. I've been thinking about a band like B+S being on TOTP for a while now and I don't think there'll have been anything quite as different since the Roses/Mondays double header 8 years ago - excellent. Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 95516123 at xxx.uk Fri Oct 17 13:28:38 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:28:38 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Stuart's Pastels thing... Message-ID: <000184F4.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> Dear all, Here is the article which Stuart wrote and whic accompanied the press release for the Pastels' latest album, 'Illumination'. The Archdeacon of Pop start of article About the Pastels When I was a boy and when Stephen was a boy too, my friends and I went to Greenock to see the Pastels play. I was drawn to all the Shambly people I saw around, even though I was quite sporty. They knocked about Hillhead and listened to strange music. I had a notion that the Patels were king of this strange music but I don't know why. Four of us went to Greenock, to the Subterraneans club. "Who's this?" "The Go-Betweens." "Who does this one?" "I think it's Sonic Youth." The Pastels came on. People took quite a few steps forward. They embraced the punky sound, they listened to the tender words. The possibilities seemed endless. I am still shocked to remember Aggi's shriek of "Up for a bit!". I'm glad she did it though. On the way out there was a crush, and through the crowd came Stephen in his dufflecoat. The more sweaty boys tried to clap him on the back. "Goan yersel Stephen". We went home and I got their LP the next week. I was shocked and delighted when I heard it. Nothing much has changed, even though that was ages ago. They're still punk, and the songs are just as tender. But they are still learning about music. Every unexpected sound and note in their new record sounds like a fresh discovery. And who else manages to pull that off every time? Nobody. That's why they are the kings. Stuart, Belle and Sebastian. end of article. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Fri Oct 17 14:53:19 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:53:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the voice of pessimism... Message-ID: <0039600000378413000002L032*@MHS> >the magic number is 25!!! >We get mid-weeks everyday now for some reason, and even >though 25 looks good, the position was 17 for Monday's >sales and 22 for Tuesday's. um, i think it's going to be very close. the numbers seem to be slipping daily and i think that's purely because of the low stock levels that the shops are ordering. come saturday, when i guess the bulk of a week's records are sold, you just won't be able to find '3, 6, 9...' on the shelves anywhere and people will have to resort to buying another copy of that elton john record (the one that i still haven't heard more than 20 seconds of but i guess i'm just lucky), or that one that goes on about tangoing the foxtrot or something. or that one which destroys 'life in a northern town'. oh, and on ceefax this morning i noticed a list of bands on this week's totp and b&s weren't there. can't remember who exactly were playing but jayne middlemarch (or whatever) was presenting. um, ceefax page 560 something for details (565 i think), it's a sub page of the chart rundown. um, sent both the single of the week reviews to the list yesterday but they haven't yet appeared. curious. i'll give it until this afternoon and re-send them. i was also about to start transcribing the tour diary and sending it here a bit at a time (to build up the tension or something, or because i can't be arsed to type it all in in one go). but i'll leave that for the time being too... oh, katrina, got laura's mail. ta. it was actually paul that was enquiring but i need the info too so... have given her his address. oh paul, i gave laura your address... andy dipsy: "wassat?" tinky winky: "guitar. run away!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacques.buron at xxx.fr Fri Oct 17 17:35:10 1997 From: jacques.buron at xxx.fr (Walter) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:35:10 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Give us a belle References: <0039600000378413000002L032*@MHS> Message-ID: <344793BE.896@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Andrew seems to need some help... > to start transcribing the tour diary and sending it here a > bit at a time (to build up the tension or something, or > because i can't be arsed to type it all in in one go). but > i'll leave that for the time being too... I propose that each of us (at least 7 or 8 of us) transcribe one of the "calls", so that everybody may benefit from this very long text... Shall I start? Melody Maker, October 18, 1997 "Give us a belle" - In the first of our occasional series of tour diaries, Belle and Sebastian regale us with some wild NY stories. Stuart David kicks us off. I bought a $10 phone card from a news stand on the street in Times Square, and I phoned home. I had to punch in 33 numbers before anything happened, and then a recorded voice with an American accent said, "You have 81 minutes remaining for this call." And the phone rang. And then a second recorded voice with a Scottish accent said : "Hi, this is Karn and Stuart; just leave a message. Bye." It seemed wee Karn had already left for the farm, and i'd forgotten to bring the number there. But she's crazy about NY, and it's her ambition to come here, and we all wanted to let her know what it was like. So we decided to phone her up one at a time and leave a big long message for when she got home. It went pretty much like this: CALL#1 Hi Karn, it's Stuart. You should see the hotel we're staying in. It's a modernist nightmare. It's designed by Philip Stark and it looks like a set from a Eurythmics video from the middle of the eighties. The foyer's pitch dark, and our rooms are pure white, with huge, gold frames -with nothing in them- behind each bed. In the bathrooms, the sinks are big silver cones, each with its point on the floor, and every soft chair has a 10-foot back and only one arm. We've found our own surrogate home-from-home cafe. 'S called Howard Johnson's, and it's just like the Grovesner because, no matter what time you go in, you're always sure to find at least one band member in there. I did get one beamer just outside there, though. This guy walked past that I thought I recognised from Glasgow, and when he'd gone by I turned to see who he was with, so I could work out who he was. But it turned out he was with Damon from Blur, and that he was Dave the drummer. And I was standing there as if I was starspotting. Still... we're having a great time. Here's Bel. Who's next for call#2? Walter -- " Get me away from here, I'm dying..." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Fri Oct 17 15:37:04 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:37:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Re: How are B&S doing ? In-Reply-To: <34463784.7AC@virgin.net> Message-ID: > We get mid-weeks everyday now for some reason, and even though 25 looks > good, the position was 17 for Monday's sales and 22 for Tuesday's. > Basically, anyone who hasn't bought the single, and wants to, PLEASE > PLEASE PLEASE do so before sales end on Saturday, as if we can get it > inside the Top 30, it seems pretty definite that B&S will be on TOTP > next Friday evening. MAybe the reason the position's slipping is just that most of the people who like B&S (most of the people who have heard B&S?) love them so much that they'll make an effort to buy the EP the day it comes out, whereas S*i*e G*r*s 'fans' are just teenagers who'll walk past a record shop one day and notice the posters, and then go in and buy the thing. I can't really imagine B&S getting many casual buyers, the type of people who go into record shops occasionally on a Saturday. Maybe if they get on TOTP next Friday the sales next Saturday will be more than this Saturday... However even if the number does slip a bit by Sunday (as it did for LLPJ) they should still get into the top 40 at worst, so the question is, which song off the EP will they play on the Top 40 rundown on Radio 1 and/or on TOTP? I hope it's Pastie, it seems to be the most POP! thing they've ever done, and a lost classic in waiting. The vicious lyrics, the orgasmically good (so called because it makes me want to shout Yes! Yes! Yes! in a "When Harry Met Sally" style every time I hear it) surf guitar, right through to the Moog solo at the end, how could it fail? Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From pugno70 at xxx.com Fri Oct 17 17:00:48 1997 From: pugno70 at xxx.com (james robson) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:00:48 PDT Subject: Sinister: many more! Message-ID: <19971017160049.8918.qmail@hotmail.com> ) >mail me and we can arrnge somewhere/somewhen to meet. > >Soozy xox > Sorry, Soozy, I think I forgot to say "when". Any way I'm not sure if tother mail got through so: how about Terf Tavern in the evening somtime. By the way, sorry Andrew. J? Only those who prosper can judge sanity. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike at xxx.uk Fri Oct 17 18:33:23 1997 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:33:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: How are B&S doing ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:37:04 +0100 (BST), Stuart Gardiner said: << I can't really imagine B&S getting many casual buyers, the type of people who go into record shops occasionally on a Saturday. Maybe if they get on TOTP next Friday the sales next Saturday will be more than this Saturday... >> A quick blast of "...Pastie" on the Chart Show might just do the trick. I used to be amazed how the oddest things would sell bucketloads when the Saturday afternoon casuals came out...until I got a job where I got Saturdays off... Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics/Bacchanalian Revel homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike at xxx.uk Fri Oct 17 18:33:26 1997 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:33:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the voice of pessimism... In-Reply-To: <0039600000378413000002L032*@MHS> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:53:19 +0100, Andrew Dean said: << oh, and on ceefax this morning i noticed a list of bands on this week's totp and b&s weren't there. can't remember who exactly were playing but jayne middlemarch (or whatever) was presenting. um, ceefax page 560 something for details (565 i think), it's a sub page of the chart rundown. >> Surely they'd be on NEXT weeks TOTP. I can't remember TOTP having a "new releases" section as such. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics/Bacchanalian Revel homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Fri Oct 17 17:46:21 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:46:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Stuart's Pastels thing... References: <000184F4.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3447965D.1F77A7A5@mail.zynet.co.uk> > When I was a boy and when Stephen was > a boy too, my friends > and I went to Greenock to see the > Pastels play. oh fuck, i was at that show, i'm sure of it... i remember that venue, they had some weird bands play there. didn't hurrah! play an afternoon show there once, when they were really crap ('beautiful' era), for teenagers? i bet no-one went. i mean, greenock, what a fucking weird place. so peter, were you there too?!! cheers, duke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Sat Oct 18 00:09:06 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:09:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: totp Message-ID: <3447F011.C928DBC2@mcmail.com> So what happened? *sigh* I see we got flippin' Elton again though... And the show has changed hasn't it?! Ee, it were all trees around here when I were a lad... love Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From PMA97CW at xxx.uk Sat Oct 18 00:19:37 1997 From: PMA97CW at xxx.uk (Chris Worth) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:19:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: totp Message-ID: <22E2896877@derwent.shef.ac.uk> Seriously, I cannot see Belle and Sebastian ever going on TOTP, but then I'm probably wrong. I think you're all getting yourselves excited about something which will never happen, but then I am an eternal pessimist! Chris. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Sat Oct 18 11:50:57 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:50:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: totp References: <22E2896877@derwent.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: <34489491.576F38EA@mcmail.com> > Seriously, I cannot see Belle and Sebastian ever going on TOTP, but > then I'm probably wrong. > I think you're all getting yourselves excited about something which > will never happen, but then I am an eternal pessimist! Isn't there someone new doing TOTP now, who's said they want to stick to safe chart bands? I think the ginger bloke left to do A&R (I agree with Mr. Agreeable - great employee! The man whose job was to look at whoever was in the charts and choose them. hehe) or something... Anyway they are certainly sticking to their nothingy mainstays at the moment aren't they? grr, Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Sat Oct 18 13:12:16 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 13:12:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: totp In-Reply-To: <34489491.576F38EA@mcmail.com> Message-ID: I'm not suprised B&S weren't on TOTP last night; they're not in the Charts yet. If they do get on the show with this EP it'll be next week, when (touch wood) they'll be in the Top 40, they hardly ever play songs before they're in the charts. Did anyone see if B&S were on the Chart Show this morning? If they were I missed it because I was at lectures, I only saw the second half of the program :-(. Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ECULB at xxx.uk Sat Oct 18 22:54:26 1997 From: ECULB at xxx.uk (MR J C Y NG) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Warwick fans Message-ID: Is there anyone else on this mailing list whose studying at Warwick uni? I thought I spied some other Warwick addresses when I got the list of subscribers. Me, I've started doing Economics here. James. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katrina at xxx.net> Fri Oct 17 14:50:59 1997 From: Katrina at xxx.net> (Katrina at xxx.net>) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:50:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the voice of pessimism... References: <0039600000378413000002L032*@MHS> Message-ID: <34476D43.5B3E@virgin.net> Andrew Dean wrote: > > >the magic number is 25!!! > > >We get mid-weeks everyday now for some reason, and even > >though 25 looks good, the position was 17 for Monday's > >sales and 22 for Tuesday's. > > um, i think it's going to be very close. the numbers seem to > be slipping daily and i think that's purely because of the > low stock levels that the shops are ordering. come saturday, > when i guess the bulk of a week's records are sold, you just > won't be able to find '3, 6, 9...' on the shelves anywhere > and people will have to resort to buying another copy of > that elton john record (the one that i still haven't heard > more than 20 seconds of but i guess i'm just lucky), or that > one that goes on about tangoing the foxtrot or something. or > that one which destroys 'life in a northern town'. Well, it's dropped again to number 27. I've spoken to our pluggers, and apparently TOTP generally don't play it, unless it's inside the 25, so it may not happen. The band were originally going to play "Century", however as TOTP only play 3min tracks, they have pretty much decided that is they get asked to do it, then it'll be "Le Pastie", as that's 3min1sec long (or something). I will be so disappointed if they don't get asked ... and I know the band will be too, considering how negative they usually are, this is obviously really inportant to them ... ho hum. > oh, and on ceefax this morning i noticed a list of bands on > this week's totp and b&s weren't there. can't remember who > exactly were playing but jayne middlemarch (or whatever) was > presenting. um, ceefax page 560 something for details (565 i > think), it's a sub page of the chart rundown. isn't that for who's on tonight? there's going t be an interview with Richard and Stuart D. in the NME in 2 weeks time, I think Neil and Chris may have also said a few things too, but you never know what's happening with B&S :) Also, a Rebellious Jukebox from the Murdoch himself in Melody Maker soon-ish too. Just keeping you all up-dated! > oh, katrina, got laura's mail. ta. it was actually paul that > was enquiring but i need the info too so... have given her > his address. I couldn't remember Paul's site's address when I was talking to her, so I just said it was the one that used the cartoon which had a link from David's site ... i'm sorry, i'm a girl and i can't remember these long backslash underscore at colon dot thingies ... that's what boys and bookmark's are for! Guess who's going record shopping tomorrow ... (ONLY JOKING!!!) > andy > dipsy: "wassat?" > tinky winky: "guitar. run away!" Mr Dean ... don't worry, i was only going to be silly (shut up you silly girl i hear you all say!) Cheers, Katrina. ps - anyone know a cure for sneezes? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Skreddy56 at xxx.com Sun Oct 19 03:23:21 1997 From: Skreddy56 at xxx.com (Skreddy56 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Beautiful chords for all you beautiful B+S fans Message-ID: <971018222101_558017361@emout12.mail.aol.com> I was at the sheet music site, and the song "beautiful" was missing, so I figured it out because everyone seems to like it so much. It's also a bit of penance for my decidedly non-"indie-rocker-cool" actions of late (I'm not getting into it right now). Anyway, the song stays in the 5th position and below the whole song except for the part from "And talk to her..." to "...Radio 4", where it is played from the 5th to 9th positions. I hope it's accurate, as I don't know how well my guitar tuner was working. *************************************** Beautiful Transcribed by M. R. Waggner Exploit this to your best ability. Down with the man. Intro A C#m7 A C#m7 A G#m F#m E A C#m7 She lay in bed all night watching the colors change A C#m7 She lay in bed all night watching the morning change A G#m F#m E She lay in bed all night watching the morning change into green and gold A C#m7 The doctor told her years ago that she was ill A C#m7 The doctor told her years ago to take a pill A G#m F# The doctor told her years ago that she'd go blind if she wasn't careful C#m7 B They let Lisa go blind A G# The world was at her feet and she was looking down C#m7 B They let Lisa go blind A C#m7 But everyone she knew thought she was beautiful E Only slightly mental C#m7 Beautiful E Only tempermental Cm7 Beautiful A C#m7 She thought it would be fun to try photograghy A C#m7 She thought it would be fun to try pornography A G#m She thought it would be fun to try most anything F# She was tired of sleeping C#m7 B A G# They let Lisa go blind, let Lisa go blind, let Lisa go blind C#m7 B They let Lisa go blind She's looking like a queen C#m7 A But if you knew what's going on in her life F#m B There'd be a thousand barren mothers there to talk to her C#m7 A If you knew what's going on in her life F#m B There'd be two hundred troubled teenagers to sit with her B And talk to her E D If you knew what's going on in her life A What's going on in her life C# There would be a documentary on Radio 4 (Trumpet solo spot...) G# E G# E G# E G# B E B C#m7 B C#m7 B C#m7 B E B C#m7 B C#m7 B C#m7 B C# A C#m7 She made herself a pair of orthopaedic shoes A C#m7 She thought is was the answer to the fashion blues A G#m She made herself a pair of orthopaedic shoes F# But she walked with a limp C#m7 B A G# They let Lisa go blind, let Lisa go blind, let Lisa go blind... C#m7 B A G# repeats to the end (for the little tidbit at the very end, just repeat the 1st chorus) ************************************* adios! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From susannah at xxx.net Sun Oct 19 12:03:06 1997 From: susannah at xxx.net (susannah) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 97 11:03:06 GMT Subject: Sinister: B&S internet chat sesh Message-ID: <971019110306.n0003703.tormentor@mail.clara.net> Is there any way we can persuade the members of Belle&Sebastian to do an online chat session, so we can all ask them EXACTLY what La Pastie de la Borgeoise actually means instead of speculating? along with other questions, I would love to talk to them, am I slow off the mark or has one already been done, Perhaps Katrina and David could sort something out??????? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Sun Oct 19 15:15:49 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:15:49 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Greenock-nock! Who was there? Message-ID: <344A1615.999E2D99@colon.net.> Stephen BMX Bandit and Duglas BMX Pastel are the evil filth barons behind the indie-pop smut peddling ring operating out of a top floor flat on Oakfield Avenue. What other excuse could there be for six-foot adult men to dress up as Andy Pandy and Noddy, other than to lure innocent anorak wearers into their web of intrigue and iniquity? Their continued musical activities exist to provide a front for their porn-laundering business. Stuart Murdoch's reference to "friends" in his article suggests that it may already be too late for him to escape their clutches. Isobel Campbell is in grave danger. Previous cello collaborators on Pastels LPs have ended up as brain washed acid casualties living in squalid, toy-filled attics surrounded by fellow loonies. Cared for by Australian social workers, they spend their days debating the merits of various Monkees and Hawkwind CD reissues. Taggart ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Sun Oct 19 16:40:10 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:40:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Chart Position Message-ID: <344A29DA.8EC4ECF6@virgin.net> Well the news is that they reached no' 32 in the Official UK Chart, pretty good going, but I can't help feel that they deserved more. Not sure what this means for Top Of The Pops, I suppose we'll have to wait 'till Monday to discover that. David & Katrina -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Sun Oct 19 18:05:45 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:05:45 -0400 Subject: Sinister: TOTP Message-ID: <01BCDC8F.B7E36B60@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> I don't think TOTP is such a big deal. Weren't Bis on TOTP with Kandy Pop? When they came to America, people didn't make nearly the fuss they did with B&S. Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From hugh.atkins at xxx.net Mon Oct 20 03:46:07 1997 From: hugh.atkins at xxx.net (hugh.atkins at xxx.net) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:46:07 -0800 Subject: Sinister: top 10 Message-ID: <344AC5EF.424@virgin.net> Which songs do we love most from B&S ? Send me your TOP 10 and I'll do my finest John Peel impression and compile the subsequent chart. However, due to the fact not everyone has TIGERMILK, I'll do two charts, one INCLUDING TIGERMILK and one NOT INCLUDING TIGERMILK. Send your top tens either to this site or email me privately. I'll post the results ASAP. Here's my top 10 which includes Tigermilk: 1. String Bean Jean 2. My Wandering Days are over 3. Mayfly 4. A Century of Evis 5. We Rule The School 6. The State I am in 7. She's Losing it 8. Mary Jo 9. Judy and the dream of Horses 10. A Century of Fakers ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Sun Oct 19 19:35:44 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 14:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: top 10 In-Reply-To: <344AC5EF.424@virgin.net> Message-ID: Here's my inclusion for the top 10-- 1. You Make Me Forget My Dreams 2. Stars of Track and Field 3. If You're Feeling Sinister 4. Mayfly 5. Beautiful 6. String Bean Jean 7. Seeing Other People 8. Century of Elvis 9. Lazy Line-Painter Jane 10. Seymour Stein They played Seymour Stein live, and it sounds like a great song already! Destined for mainstream cross over success indeed! francisco ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From hc97st at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 09:53:46 1997 From: hc97st at xxx.uk (Simon Tyers) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 9:53:46 BST Subject: Sinister: TOTP! (fwd) Message-ID: <199710200853.JAA01444@euler.cms.dmu.ac.uk> > > wow - so they've really made it to TOTP (we pray) > it couldn't have happened to a nicer band And you think B&S would agree to appear on TOTP? Still,they might make daytime MTV... Did you know that in the HMV singles chart it's at No.9? Simon Tyers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 10:29:17 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:29:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: My top 10. Message-ID: <199710200929.KAA11064@brookes.ac.uk> Sorry for sending this to the list, but I deleted the e-mail !!!! 1. She's losing it 2. Pocketbook angel 3. Bell and Sebastian 4. Dog on wheels 5. Electronic renaissance 6. Le Pastie.... 7. Lazy line painter Jane 8. Me and the Major 9. Century of Elvis 10. Beautiful Ben. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katrina at xxx.net> Mon Oct 20 10:59:48 1997 From: Katrina at xxx.net> (Katrina at xxx.net>) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:59:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: top 10 References: <344AC5EF.424@virgin.net> Message-ID: <344B2B94.28EE@virgin.net> and the Jeepster girl's is ... 1. Electronic Renaissance 2. Simple Things 3. Sleep The Clock Around 4. Modern Rock Song 5. Slow Graffiti 6. She's Losing It 7. Expectations 8. Seymour Stein 9. Mayfly 10. You Made Me Forget My Dreams (ummm, i couldn't make up my mind for tenth place ... so that'll change everyday ... the rest is pretty accurate tho'!) i didn't think that would be so hard to do! i'm sorry that a lot of the tracks i've listed are unreleased yet, but unlike many other bands, B&S's stuff just gets better and better ... sigh! Cheers, Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Mon Oct 20 12:06:12 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:06:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the voice of pessimism... Message-ID: <0039600000388773000002L032*@MHS> me: << oh, and on ceefax this morning i noticed a list of bands on this week's totp and b&s weren't there. can't remember who exactly were playing but jayne middlemarch (or whatever) was presenting. um, ceefax page 560 something for details (565 i think), it's a sub page of the chart rundown. >> mike (and katrina elsewhere) >Surely they'd be on NEXT weeks TOTP. I can't remember TOTP >having a "new releases" section as such. yes, yes, yes, yes, i'm a fool (like you all need reminding...). i realised this on my way home on friday night and felt stupid all weekend. went out on saturday to buy another copy for another american and couldn't find one. the 5 copies the local shop had sold out in less than a day. does this mean they will order 10 of the next single? i doubt it very much. congrats on reaching number 32 btw. only 6 places behind rolf harris... (sarah could get some stylophone playing hints off the master himself if they're both on totp next week). andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katrina at xxx.net> Mon Oct 20 11:57:39 1997 From: Katrina at xxx.net> (Katrina at xxx.net>) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:57:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hell´s Belles (And Sebastian) References: Message-ID: <344B3923.4ACA@virgin.net> Klas Ericsson wrote: > Do anyone have any information about the next B&S album. It´s not that > far > away, so there should be som rumors??? And what about that eventual > next > EP? > > ///Klas > Keith Watson: > I think I remember that the one from Jeepster who threatened the > > soon-to-be > bootleggers mentioned another ep (which means another one than > > 3..6..9...) > before this year ends. I didn´t save that posting, but that´s how i > remembered it. > I might be wrong, though. > So the question remains unanswered... Any rumors? Bloody persistent lot you! How many rumours do you want? Umm...Modern Rock Song is scheduled as a ep release for December, and the new LP to come in January. The band have just finished recording (they may go back in though!) and hopefully mixing will happen over the coming months. However, the EP may not come out until early January and the LP February ish. Helpful? Oh, and the December dates for Manchester look as being after Xmas but before the 31st, so take your guess and i'll let you know if you're right later on this week! Cheers, Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From hc97st at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 12:30:34 1997 From: hc97st at xxx.uk (Simon Tyers) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:30:34 BST Subject: Sinister: in case you were wondering... Message-ID: <199710201130.MAA08680@aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk> I bought 369SOL from AG Kemble in Wigston (actually a TV and video sales place,but they've got an excellent selection of stuff along one wall.) I doubt even the Leicester clientele have heard of it,but then that's the musical service you get in Leicestershire's outposts. I'll shut up now. Actually,no I won't. Has anyone got any stuff relating to Scarfo that they can send me for a Scarfo site I'm doing? Simon Tyers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From John.Johnston at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 12:28:23 1997 From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:28:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: it's getting better Message-ID: <199710201118.MAA21344@hgty.capgemini.co.uk> Interesting to see all the top tens that have been comming in. I think mine would begin with "The State I am in" and end with "Tigermilk". I've only heard Tigermilk (the track) once , at the concert in Oxford, and was totally blown away. It was such a rocking number and just a joy to be near. And that's what I really remember about that gig at the Zodiac; how it was the first time that I'd ever seen a band where I instantly liked the songs I hadn't heard before as much or even more than the songs I adored already. So I agree with Katrina: "unlike many other bands, B&S's stuff just gets better and better " Hooray! Number 2 in my own private hit parade would be Expectations. Have they ever played it live because both times I've seen 'em they didn't? hot love xx john ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacques.buron at xxx.fr Mon Oct 20 15:07:16 1997 From: jacques.buron at xxx.fr (Walter) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:07:16 +0000 Subject: Sinister: top 10 References: <344AC5EF.424@virgin.net> Message-ID: <344B6594.977@smtp.wanadoo.fr> My top 10 (including Tigermilk) : 1. Dog on Wheels 2. Expectations 3. Get me Away From Here, I'm Dying 4. Photo Jenny 5. The State I am in 6. String Bean Jean 7. Belle & Sebastian 8. If you're Feeling Sinister 9. A Century of Fakers 10. We Rule the School Walter -- " Get me away from here, I'm dying..." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Mon Oct 20 15:07:16 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:07:16 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199710201256.NAA03180@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Here's my top 10. Of course this is forever changing. 1. My Wandering Days Are Over 2. Pocketbook Angel 3. She Losing It 4. The State I Am In 5. Seeing Other People 6. The Lonliness Of The Middle Distance Runner 7. String Bean Jean 8. Slow Grafitti 9. Electronic Renaissance 10. Photo Jenny Cheers, John. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sablof_m at xxx.CA Mon Oct 20 15:47:13 1997 From: sablof_m at xxx.CA (Chat-a-rama) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:47:13 EST Subject: Sinister: Chart Position Message-ID: <199710201356.JAA09865@sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> So chatting with a local record, spot who at first told me the only way I was going to get a copy of If You're was to import it cross the ocean for $$$ , they found a promo copy and I got it for cheap. I believe promos are 'cut' on the cd-case edge, right? I assume so, since mine is. I am asking then.. any advice how to get the EPs on this continent, in this nation (anyone on this side willing to copy Tigermilk?) Plus, is there any difference from the promo to the 'official' release. it looks the same (as far as I can tell from the websites and such...) Curious, Matthew ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Mon Oct 20 14:51:24 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:51:24 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Matt N's top 10 songs (incl Tigermilk) Message-ID: <01BCDD3D.BB353060@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> In no particular order (how could I) 1 Expectations 2 State I'm In 3 Judy and the Dream of Horses 4 Me and the Major 5 Dog On Wheels 6 Photo Jenny 7 String Bean Jean 8 Put the Book Back on the Shelf 9 Lonliness of a Middle Distance Runner 10 You're Just a Baby ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mdp21 at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 15:10:02 1997 From: mdp21 at xxx.uk (Mark Pattison) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:10:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Another Top 10 Message-ID: For what it's worth, here's my top 10 (inc Tigermilk): 1. The State I Am In 2. Pocketbook Angel 3. String Bean Jean 4. Judy and the Dream of Horses 5. A Century of Fakers 6. Expectations 7. If You're Feeling Sinister 8. Put the Book back on the Shelf 9. My Wandering Days are Over 10. She's Losing It Interesting Fact: The author of the book on the front of LLPJ is John Polkinghorne, who was until a few months ago was President of my College in Cambridge. So, I've had breakfast with a B&S icon. Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katrina at xxx.net> Mon Oct 20 15:25:22 1997 From: Katrina at xxx.net> (Katrina at xxx.net>) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:25:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: TOTP Message-ID: <344B69D2.1E35@virgin.net> Unfortunately, i have just heard from our pluggers, and B&S didn't make onto TOTP. Tune in tho', if you fancy:- Tina Moore Aqua Ash Brand New Heavies Jimmy Ray Clock Smashmouth exclusive Spice Girls footage from India 911 Peter Andre What a fucking great line-up. Just reaffirms that TOTP will not play anything unless it's Top 20. I ain't onn watch it no more.... *sniff* Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From KELSO at xxx.com Mon Oct 20 15:58:47 1997 From: KELSO at xxx.com (Kelso) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:58:47 -0400 Subject: Sinister: B&S/Bis in America Message-ID: Matthew A. Neimark wrote: >>>Weren't Bis on TOTP with Kandy Pop? When they >>>came to America, people didn't make nearly the fuss >>>they did with B&S. >>>>> But then again I know that the first time Bis came over to New York, they were here for a week and played about 5 different shows in that week, which is kinda doing an overkill on this city. If you play that often, you automatically become that less special. When Belle & Sebastian came over it was all rather "exclusive" except for the Sunday nite show. There was more mystery about them. --kelso NYC ============================================ "First time with a jaw you find everyone lies." --morrissey-- ============================================ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bustrav at xxx.com Mon Oct 20 16:28:36 1997 From: bustrav at xxx.com (Business Traveller) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:28:36 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Parsnips Message-ID: <199710201128_MC2-2486-A208@compuserve.com> ATTENTION! Simon Harper asks of the person who recently expressed, in a classified ad, a fondness for B&S: 'If you are 31 and live in NW London, and hate parsnips, then why haven't you written to me, you bastard?!' You know who you are. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 9759754 at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 17:32:58 1997 From: 9759754 at xxx.uk (Nathan Howie) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:32:58 +0000 Subject: Sinister: TOTP, you c**ts Message-ID: <199710201533.QAA03307@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> It's a bit of a shame that 32 isn't high enough for TOTP. It would have been pretty unbelievable seeing Sturt fluff his lines on national TV. At least we're safe from the Chris Evans' of this world claiming to have discovered them, for a while. Anybody know what songs could be involved on the forthcoming EP or album(sorry Katrina), and am I right in thinking "The Lonliness of the Middle Distance Runner" was planned for the current EP ?, if so why was it dropped ?. Finally, the excellent Ballboy are playing here in Edinburgh tomorrow night, (Tues. 21st, 9pm at Potterow). I'd definitely recommend going to see them. Nathan "And he said unto them, there's nothing in here for your pot" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Mon Oct 20 20:56:40 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:56:40 -0700 Subject: Sinister: huh? Message-ID: <344BB778.319B@earthlink.net> alright, regarding the top ten.....i'm not even gonna attempt it. but i do have a question. i've recognized all the songs (unreleased and released) except for one. what the hell is "pocketbook angel"? is it one of those unreleased ones or is it on a compilation or what? i haven't heard that one talked about on the list before. -brad -- *************************************************************** i sit in my apartment sullenly, with a broom against my chair. whenever the neighbors laugh, play music, have sex, show any signs of life whatsoever, i rap on the wall with the broom. i go out as little as possible because i hate to miss the opportunity to kep my neighbors in line. (bill callahan) *************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Mon Oct 20 17:53:45 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:53:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: tour diary: part 2 Message-ID: <0039600000393505000002L052*@MHS> >From the Melody Maker, October 18th 1997: Hello wee Karn. This is Bel. I like the Angel Orensanz. He gave me two souvenir T-shirts for free! Angel owns the very pretty synagogue where we played and he's a sculptor like you. He is tall and twinkly and around 50 years of age. The Angel Orensanz Arts centre is quite rusty and untidy and unsafe. It is pastel green and gold. They are looking for money to restore it. Before Angel took over it was an unofficial home for punks. They must have had fun listening to the Sex Pistols and swinging from the balconies. New York is tall and generously proportioned with many poised, civilised and elegant people. Our hotel is even worse, I think it's the music television mecca of the city. It is 'delicately' lit for night vampires and I'm often walking into things. The doorman's budgies are dead and their shoulders are artificially very high. In Scotland, I rented "Annie Hall" with a friend. Everything seemed so much better then. Maybe soon I'll have less MTV, more Central Park. I hope so. Anyway, here's Mick... (mick'll be here tomorrow) andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From hc97st at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 17:00:46 1997 From: hc97st at xxx.uk (Simon Tyers) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:00:46 BST Subject: Sinister: TOTP In-Reply-To: <344B69D2.1E35@virgin.net>; from "Katrina@Jeepster" at Oct 20, 97 3:25 pm Message-ID: <199710201600.RAA25892@oughtred.cms.dmu.ac.uk> > Tune in tho', if you fancy:- > Tina Moore NO! NO! NO! > Aqua F**K OFF!!!! > Ash Ah,that's better. > Brand New Heavies > Jimmy Ray > Clock What was I saying? > Smashmouth Good,getting better. > exclusive Spice Girls footage from India > 911 > Peter Andre Not. Where's Rik Blaxhill when you really need him? Simon Tyers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ta4091 at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 18:36:27 1997 From: ta4091 at xxx.uk (Dazza) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:36:27 +0000 Subject: Sinister: RE: Are we all bourgeoisie now?! Message-ID: <518AC593190@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> > The Oxford/Cambridge Yah Hooray Henry types don't exist. Well not in > Cambridge anyway (except possibly Peterhouse College, but they don't > count). Hmmm. Dazza ************ Sugar is not a vegetable. ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bustrav at xxx.com Mon Oct 20 17:33:30 1997 From: bustrav at xxx.com (Business Traveller) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:33:30 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Wouldn't you like to get away? Message-ID: <199710201233_MC2-2480-31A6@compuserve.com> It was a day much like yesterday: in fact, it probably was yesterday. Strange reports had reached Simon's ears; Stuart Murdoch, the singer from Belle & Sebastian (Neal and Simon's favourite band), had apparently been seen playing football! How could he? He must stop this strange behaviour at once! As people whose destinies had been shaped by the fact that neither of them could kick a football to save their lives, Neal and Simon had hoped that Stuart too would similarly be a kindred spirit in this department. But no. He disappointed them, but, they hastened to add, only in this department. Simon hoped that Belle & Sebastian would be impressed. He liked to think they had had real value for money from him because he was on the 'Stone Immaculate' mailing list, and because of this he had been able to convert dozens of people to the worthy cause of B&S. Simon had also heard from some of the lucky few who'd been to see Belle & Sebastian perform live that Stuart was quite an attractive fellow. Simon was thrilled to discover this for himself when he'd seen a recent photo of Stuart in the NME. At that same time Simon was in pursuit of a charming-sounding guy who'd mentioned his love for Belle & Sebastian in a personal ad. Consequently, as the band could be contacted through the magic of cyberspace, Simon wondered if it might be worthwhile leaving a message for this mysterious young man on the band's website. The message read: 'If you are 31 and live in NW London, and hate parsnips, then why the fuck haven't you written to me, you bastard?!.' For reasons best known only to Simon and himself, Neal had known about the Union Chapel gig only after it had happened! How sad for him! Then he'd discovered, much to his increasing annoyance, that they had gigged in New York - Neal's favourite city after London. He desperately hoped that Belle and Sebastian hadn't been there from the 22nd of August through to the 29th because he was there then! Neal wondered whether they would play anymore gigs in New York that year because he was going back there again for Thanksgiving. Had they loved Manhattan the way that he did, he thought to himself. And whereabouts in Manchester had they had scheduled to play later that year, and when precisely; he knew it was sometime in December, but no more than that. Neal was concerned that Belle & Sebastian were troubled by inquiring fans - he hated to think he might be a bore, even though he was never being boring. He had bought the '3 ... 6 ... 9' 12" on vinyl recently and had so looked forward to getting home to play it loudly. When he did he was not disappointed. Good God, he thought, I'm thirty years' old and haven't behaved like this oh, for some 12 years, since those heady Smiths days. How pathetic! But he knew they both adored them. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ta4091 at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 18:43:25 1997 From: ta4091 at xxx.uk (Dazza) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:43:25 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Re: 3,6,9 (and yet another Tigermilk request) Message-ID: <518C96447D3@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> > for what its worth, I reckon > its a stronger EP than LLPJ. Yes, I think it is. LLPJ was really one great song and three fillers (I don't understand the people who put "Forget My Dream" in their top ten) whereas this one has four strong songs, including "La Pastie..." which sounds like B'n'S getting bolshie! Which has to be a good thing! I don't think the EPs are worse than "Sinister" though, as some people seem to: I love "Dog On Wheels". Haven't heard "Tigermilk" so can't say much about that... except is there anyone who'd kindly tape it for me? I could offer to pay for tape, postage etc or send you something I like in return. cheers Dazza ************ Sugar is not a vegetable. ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Mon Oct 20 17:30:44 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:30:44 +0200 Subject: Sinister: TOTP and Stylophone References: <344B69D2.1E35@virgin.net> Message-ID: <344B8734.D09CE140@colon.net.> Katrina at Jeepster wrote: > Unfortunately, i have just heard from our pluggers, and > B&S didn't make > onto TOTP. > > Tune in tho', if you fancy:- > > Aqua > As in "I'm a Barbie girl, in a Barbie world"? One of my favourites at the moment. The only other act I recognise is Brand New Heavies. They're in trouble with Mattel because the real Ken isn't bald. Stylophone fact: Rolf Harris didn't just lend his name and demonstration talents ( "Water..kids love it!") to the Stylophone, he was actively involved in its conception and development. Rolf has a long standing interest in experimaental music, as is shown by his involvement with Joe Meek stars The Tornados. So he's not just some wobble board playing plonker. At a concert during the ill-fated "Brian is Back" campaign, the Beach Boys suffered a serious theremin malfunction during "Good Vibrations". Luckily, a member of the road crew had been practising with his Stylophone earlier in the day, and immediately rushed it over to Mike Love, who made a few bad jokes and then proceeded to play it during their second attempt at "Good Vibrations". Unfortunately, he had trouble holding the Stylophone up to the microphone, playing it in the correct sliding manner, AND singing all at the same time. Carl had a fit of the giggles and Brian looked on bemused, soon to revert to his hermit-like existence. So it's not just Belle and Sebastian who have problems with their Stylophone on stage. It can happenn to anyone. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 19:12:47 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:12:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Yet Another Top 10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well the order keeps changing, but this is my top 10 at the moment; La Pastie De La Bourgeoisie She's Losing It Lazy Line Painter Jane Get Me Away From Here I'm Dying Mary Jo Judy And The Dream Of Horses Sleep The Clock Around Dog On Wheels Century Of Fakers Modern Rock Song Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From S.D.Maclean at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 19:33:01 1997 From: S.D.Maclean at xxx.uk (Stuart Maclean) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:33:01 BST Subject: Sinister: Top 10s Message-ID: <7032.9710201833@dsse.ecs.soton.ac.uk> For further gross waste of bandwidth (and time!), my top 10..... The State I Am In We Rule The School Me and the Major Fox in the Snow Photo Jenny She's Losing It String Bean Jean Century of Elvis Seeing Other People Seymour Stein --- Stuart M ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ByTheSea6 at xxx.com Mon Oct 20 19:40:39 1997 From: ByTheSea6 at xxx.com (ByTheSea6 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: the family Message-ID: <971020143725_591823935@emout08.mail.aol.com> We saw Jeepster's Snow Patrol (was Polar Bear) here in NYC this past weekend. Charming boys with youthful energy, rosy cheeks, good jokes, lots of bounce. The obvious comparison is Ash. Couple of poignant moments, like the chorus to 100 Things (100 Things we should have done in bed but we never got the chance to try it) which is basically a flawless piece of teenage i-miss-you lamentation, and then there was singer Gary's graciously suave moves during Mogwai's set on the short girl with the Audrey haircut. The boy is going to break hearts. Q: Has anyone heard the Bitter Springs album yet? Addison Brothers and It's Business are both brilliant singles. wider than a mile, n. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 17:19:26 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:19:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: huh? References: <344BB778.319B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <344B848E.45D06361@mail.zynet.co.uk> superbob wrote: > alright, regarding the top ten.....i'm not even > gonna attempt it. but i > do have a question. i've recognized all the > songs (unreleased and > released) except for one. what the hell is > "pocketbook angel"? unreleased as far as i can see, seems to have been doing the rounds for a looong time. well from around, um, spring or whatever. i can't remember exactly when i first heard it. i link it with the very marvelous 'Hurley's Having Dreams' and 'London Has Let Me Down' because they're all together on my mini-disc copy :-) All three are great tunes of course, but 'Pocketbook' is particularly scrummy. Strange enough, just playing it this very afternoon on the way home, and always smiling at that line, does it really go 'she just want's to be goofy'??? i do so hope so. And then there's 'all the kids have got pocketbooks, i guess it's the way it looks, they're cosmopolitan diaries.' Yum. my top ten is a comin' soon. duke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 19:32:58 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:32:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hell´s Belles (And Sebastian) References: <344B3923.4ACA@virgin.net> Message-ID: <344BA3D9.545A05AB@mail.zynet.co.uk> > How many rumours do you want? Umm...Modern Rock > Song is scheduled as a > ep release for December, will this have Rhoda on it, at last? i do hope so... and the lonliness of the middle distance runner, which i'm just loving a whole lot right now...? > Oh, and the December dates for Manchester look > as being after Xmas but > before the 31st, so take your guess and i'll let > you know if you're > right later on this week! oooh, we'd like the dates to be finalised soon so we can decide if it's possible to call in on our way either to or back from the chilly climes of bonnie(?!) scotland! near the 27th would be good :-) the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 19:28:59 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:28:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Another Top 10 References: Message-ID: <344BA2EA.4953403D@mail.zynet.co.uk> so here's ten for you all to snigger at: 1 expectations 2 the lonliness of the middle distance runner 3 i don't love anyone 4 beautiful 5 the state i am in 6 seeing other people 7 a century of fakers 8 modern rock song 9 pocketbook angel 10 judy and the dream of horses -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 22:28:17 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 21:28:17 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Richard & Judy!! Message-ID: <199710202019.VAA18665@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> Katrina: >Unfortunately, i have just heard from our pluggers, and B&S didn't make >onto TOTP. Sigh - maybe next time. I've just had a thought: Those f****rs Aqua were on Richard & Judy last week (For our non-UK friends R & J present a totally awful daytime TV chat & tat show). - In with a bullet at no.2. Ash were also on R & J some time ago and then charted with 'Oh Yeah'. - Top 20 it I believe. Imagine our Heroes on Richard & Judy with 'Modern Rock Song' - TOTP here we come!!! Sends shudders up my spine. I apologise for my temporary loss of sanity. Byee! Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From blanchot at xxx.fr Mon Oct 20 22:30:37 1997 From: blanchot at xxx.fr (Loic Blanchot) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:30:37 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Top 10 : my contribution. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971020233037.00820100@action-rtc.univ-paris12.fr> Hi, For me, Get me away from here String bean Jean Judy and the dream of horses Belle and Sebastian My wandering days are over Photo Jenny Like Dylan in the movies Electronic renaissance Seeing other people Lazy lane painter Jane are - amongst - the best songs of B&S (incl. Tigermilk). See you. Loic. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Mon Oct 20 23:07:45 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: top 10 In-Reply-To: <344B2B94.28EE@virgin.net> Message-ID: > and the Jeepster girl's is ... > > 3. Sleep The Clock Around Yes!! I remember them playing this at the West 54th Sessions taping, and I forgot it's name--and that's why I left it off my list, but what a grand song this is. Also agree with Slow Graffitti--that's the one where Stuart M does vocals and piano for a bit and then everyone sorta shuffles on in? Grand, baby! Grand! uh sorry francisco ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From muellerj at xxx.edu Tue Oct 21 01:41:42 1997 From: muellerj at xxx.edu (Telepathic Traffic) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:41:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: Top 8 (i have 8 favorites..i was too picky for 10) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971020233037.00820100@action-rtc.univ-paris12.fr> Message-ID: Judy and the Dream of Horses Me and the Major Get me away from here Like Dylan in the Movies State I'm In Seeing other People Belle and Sebastian Stars of Track and Field jm "peanut butter toast and american bandstand teach me how to cook teach me how to dance" -low ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 03:26:21 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 02:26:21 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Richard & Judy!!(dodgy address) Message-ID: <199710210117.CAA27505@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> >I've just had a thought: >Those f****rs Aqua were on Richard & JudyŠ etc. Oh Bollocks! I keep putting down a wrong mail address for myself. For anybody who's tried to mail me (I should be so lucky) and had no replies I apologise. I recently changed mail programmes and the wrong address has been appearing as 'sender' in list mail. If that's not enough I've been absentmindedly missing bits when signing off. Oh, how foolish I feel. B&S content: My Top 10. I don't Love Anyone Put the Book back on the Shelf Get me away from here I'm Dying The State I am in Belle & Sebastian Like Dylan in the Movies Photo Jenny If you're Feeling Sinister Lazy Line Painter Jane Dog on Wheels Byee (again) Paul - plaird at ndirect.co.uk I repeat plaird at ndirect.co.uk "Go to work on an Egg" - The Egg Marketing Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From soulandfury at xxx.com Tue Oct 21 07:51:19 1997 From: soulandfury at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:51:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: TOTP References: <344B69D2.1E35@virgin.net> Message-ID: <344C50E7.FBA7AA6D@mcmail.com> > exclusive Spice Girls footage from India > 911 > Peter Andre Well, they'll only have an audience of mouthy 13 year old girls soon anyway, and they might not get quite as much out of B&S as we do... now if we could just take over the studio for ONE week... we could put on a fantastic show of the intelligent, sensitive, perverse or underrated... B&S in star slot, Momus and Minty to scare the little kiddies, Orlando and various other lovely types, and...hmm...who'd present? ideas anyone??? :) Love Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From soulandfury at xxx.com Tue Oct 21 07:57:07 1997 From: soulandfury at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:57:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hell´s Belles (And Sebastian) References: <344B3923.4ACA@virgin.net> Message-ID: <344C5243.34CBC52E@mcmail.com> > Oh, and the December dates for Manchester look as being after Xmas but > > before the 31st, so take your guess and i'll let you know if you're > right later on this week! ummmm... 28th and 29th? God I must be bored... :) love Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From hc97st at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 09:00:31 1997 From: hc97st at xxx.uk (Simon Tyers) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 9:00:31 BST Subject: Sinister: TOTP Message-ID: <199710210800.JAA20598@klein.cms.dmu.ac.uk> > B&S in star slot, Momus and Minty to scare the little kiddies, Orlando > and various other lovely types, and...hmm...who'd present? ideas > anyone??? :) Of course,Minty have been on before,when they broke TOTP's complaints record,so I doubt they'd get on. What about David Devant and His Spirit Wife just to confuse the kids? Simon Tyers ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Tue Oct 21 11:19:47 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:19:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: tour diary (part 3) Message-ID: <0039600000402601000002L012*@MHS> from the melody maker, 18th october 1997 Yeah, hi, it's Mick. I think the best thing I've done is go with Andy Symington to a gig at the top of the World Trade Center - 107 floors up. The Dust Brothers DJd; the music was like the Hi Karate DJs. And Beck was there - he's such a shortarse; and Marilyn Manson - who looks like he still lives with his mum. A cool band called Ten Cents played. Their singer is a bit like Gwen Stefani - and they played a song about a red rubber ball bouncing down the road. Then Sukia came on. They're great - all porn wigs and moustaches. They play porn music too, on moogs. At the end, one guy ripped off his top and jumped into the crowd. And then view out the window was amazing. So that was that. I'll pass you on to... (chris. tomorrow) um, i was about to complain about the lack of string bean jean in peoples' top 10s but then someone remembered to include it... news from teletext this morning: belle and sebastian have started recording their new lp. yeah, like 3 months ago... andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From u7k88 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 10:25:48 1997 From: u7k88 at xxx.uk (GR Clarkson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:25:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: bourgoisie Message-ID: Hello! If anyone wants to know, Bourgoisie is a term used to describe the middle class by Karl Marx in his book, Das Capital. Greg U7k88 at keele.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From phusa at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 11:08:32 1997 From: phusa at xxx.uk (Ben Trevail) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:08:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Top 10! Message-ID: Hi, here's my current favourite B&S songs... 1. The State I'm In 2. You're Just A Baby 3. You Made Me Forget My Dreams 4. The Boy Done Wrong Again 5. She's Losing It 6. Lazy Line-Painter Jane 7. My Wandering Days Are Over 8. La Pastie de la Bourgeoisie 9. Stars of Track & Field 10. Beautiful Ben xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From t.hopkins at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 11:13:00 1997 From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:13:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: TOTP Message-ID: <199710211011.LAA00315@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> A few musings on TOTP. 1) I am gutted that B&S won't be on. (I take it we are assuming that sales will decline this week as the fan-base only buy one copy each?) 2) The reason I a gutted is because they would have looked so out of place in that studio. 3) The reason I am gutted is because I would have loved to see the pop thrill of B&S in its rightful place, cheek-by-wotsit with the savage heart of nineteen ninety seven pop music. 4) TOTP is about big, out pop records. I love pop music. Although they dont send me like B&S, give me the Spice Girls and Aqua a hundred times out of a hundred if the alternative is the worthy, heads down dullness of rawk and roll sleepwalkers like Ash. Even (cough) the vile Peter Andre is preferable to that. 5) If TOTP turned into some kind of haven for alt. rock, I would cry. And perhaps stamp my feet. 6) Get with the pop programme, kids! It's about what's wrong and right. (This may be a lie). TimH ---------- > Tune in tho', if you fancy:- > Tina Moore NO! NO! NO! > Aqua F**K OFF!!!! > Ash Ah,that's better. > Brand New Heavies > Jimmy Ray > Clock What was I saying? > Smashmouth Good,getting better. > exclusive Spice Girls footage from India > 911 > Peter Andre Not. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katrina at xxx.net> Tue Oct 21 11:25:54 1997 From: Katrina at xxx.net> (Katrina at xxx.net>) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:25:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: TOTP and Stylophone References: <344B69D2.1E35@virgin.net> <344B8734.D09CE140@colon.net.> Message-ID: <344C8332.16EB@virgin.net> P. Miller / A. Ubieta wrote: > Stylophone fact: Rolf Harris didn't just lend his name and > demonstration talents > ( "Water..kids love it!") > to the Stylophone, he was actively involved in its > conception and development. Rolf has a long standing > interest in experimaental music, as is shown by his > involvement with Joe Meek stars The Tornados. So he's not > just some wobble board playing plonker. At a concert > during the ill-fated "Brian is Back" campaign, the Beach > Boys suffered a serious theremin malfunction during "Good > Vibrations". Luckily, a member of the road crew had been > practising with his Stylophone earlier in the day, and > immediately rushed it over to Mike Love, who made a few bad > jokes and then proceeded to play it during their second > attempt at "Good Vibrations". Unfortunately, he had trouble > holding the Stylophone up to the microphone, playing it in > the correct sliding manner, AND singing all at the same time. > Carl had a fit of the giggles and Brian looked on bemused, > soon to revert to his hermit-like existence. > > So it's not just Belle and Sebastian who have problems with > their Stylophone on stage. It can happenn to anyone. > > Peter Hmm, Peter, do you own a Stylophone? If not, maybe we could all save our pennies, so that Peter has a lovely brand new Styophone for Xmas, and we can hear his very own Stylophone mishap stories instead of Rolf Harris & the Beach Boyz... ...sorry, the stories are cute really :) I want one! Anyone got any good B&S promo ideas for the new EP? Outrageous, expensive, just eye-catching stuff, please mail the list! Cheers, Katrina. ps Peter, thanks for the gossip!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katrina at xxx.net> Tue Oct 21 11:25:58 1997 From: Katrina at xxx.net> (Katrina at xxx.net>) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:25:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hell´s Belles (And Sebastian) References: <344B3923.4ACA@virgin.net> <344C5243.34CBC52E@mcmail.com> Message-ID: <344C8336.639@virgin.net> Kate Dornan wrote: > > > Oh, and the December dates for Manchester look as being after Xmas but > > > > before the 31st, so take your guess and i'll let you know if you're > > right later on this week! > > ummmm... 28th and 29th? > > God I must be bored... :) > > love > Kate xxx nearly ...! Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Tue Oct 21 11:55:23 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:55:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: TOTP and Stylophone Message-ID: <01BCDE18.37BDD3A0@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> > ....... Luckily, a member of the road crew had been > practising with his Stylophone earlier in the day, and > immediately rushed it over to Mike Love, who made a few bad > jokes and then proceeded to play it during their second > attempt at "Good Vibrations". Unfortunately, he had trouble > holding the Stylophone up to the microphone Mmmm........my Stylophone has a line-out, so you can plug it into an amp. You should hear a Stylophone with the distortion cranked up high! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ECULB at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 20:18:12 1997 From: ECULB at xxx.uk (James Ng) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: My Top 10 Message-ID: This is my current top 10 fave B&S songs, which I wrote down in my Macro Economics lecture just now. In no particular order: Seymour Stein Like Dylan in the Movies If You're feeling Sinister Fox in the Snow Get Me Away, I'm Dying Dog on Wheels The State I am In I Could be Dreaming Beautiful Le Pastie Back to work now... James. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 12:25:39 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:25:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: TOTP In-Reply-To: <199710211011.LAA00315@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: The ideal TOTP would have to have some bands on that people have heard of, to get viewers' attention, and then throw some obscure stuff at them as well - B&S (obviously), David Devant, Rialto, and maybe even some Groop Dogdrill to annoy all the "angry from Manchester" types. Not dissimilar to The White Room actually; I bet if that was still running B&S would have appeared by now... Stuart G P.S. I can't help thinking it's ironic that Elton John's Diana tribute song should be knocked down to number 3 in the Charts by; a, a band who are all about image and no substance (The Spice Girls) and b, a song about how fake and plastic some celebreties are these days (Barbie Girl by Aqua). Or am I just being fasecious again? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 9607129h at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 14:46:17 1997 From: 9607129h at xxx.uk (Neil Hargreaves) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:46:17 +0000 Subject: Sinister: I know your bored but heres another top ten Message-ID: <49D9B587FD2@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> If anyones still reading these mine are... 1. We Rule the School 2. Get Me Away From Here I'm Dying 3. The Boy Done Wrong Again 4. You made Me forget My Dreams 5. Mary Jo 6. Dog On Wheels 7. Century of Fakers 8. Fox in the Snow 9. She's Losing It and.... eh..... oh 10. Expectations.... maybe. for the 'you're cool and you know' bit neil -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From EGB97JEH at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 14:08:05 1997 From: EGB97JEH at xxx.uk (J.E.Higgott) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:08:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: top ten Message-ID: <1742531E28@digley.shef.ac.uk> here's a top ten compiled by someone who hasn't heard (but has found a contact for) the 'Tigermilk' album. Well, I have heard 'The State...' but only on the 'Dog on Wheels' thingy. the state i am in seeing other people judy and the dream of horses belle and sebastian fox in the snow stars of track and field le pastie de la bourgeoisie dylan in the movies beautiful get me away from here, i'm dying Belle and Sebastian are truly wonderful. If you're happy then the tunes make you even happier but if you're sad them they'll cuddle and comfort you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From WilliamsR10 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 14:26:01 1997 From: WilliamsR10 at xxx.uk (Rhys Williams) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:26:01 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: Stylophones, Rolf and B & S... In-Reply-To: <344C8332.16EB@virgin.net> Message-ID: <49E94724920@NPRDCF1S.CF.AC.UK> > If not, maybe we could all save our pennies, so that Peter has a lovely > brand new Styophone for Xmas, and we can hear his very own Stylophone > mishap stories instead of Rolf Harris & the Beach Boyz... > Has anybody heard Rolf's new album ("Can You Tell What It Is Yet?")? It's full of covers of recent pop songs. I fancy buying it, cos Rolf is a true star. So, then, which B &S song should Rolf do a cover of, and why? Rhys ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Yummycats at xxx.com Tue Oct 21 15:23:39 1997 From: Yummycats at xxx.com (Yummycats at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Orlando Message-ID: <971021081416_1067303431@emout03.mail.aol.com> Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about Orlando record stores. I went to Park Avenue CD and, while it was an interesting place, they had very little of what I was looking for, except they did have the new Cranes ep collection, two weeks before it's supposed to be out and a Dead Can Dance bootleg. I can't rememeber the addresses of those who told me about the place, or I would have sent this to you individually as opposed to the whole list, but can you tell me any other stores around? I went driving around, but didn't see anything. I still have a few days left. Anyone have any word on when the BandS session at west 54th will be on? The web site is www.sessionsatwest54th.com and there's no word about it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 95516123 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 14:44:38 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:44:38 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Richard & Judy!! Message-ID: <00019A5F.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> : >Those f****rs Aqua were on Richard & Judy last week (For our non-UK >friends >R & J present a totally awful daytime TV chat & tat show). >- In with a bullet at no.2. >Ash were also on R & J some time ago and then charted with 'Oh Yeah'. >- Top 20 it I believe. >Imagine our Heroes on Richard & Judy with 'Modern Rock Song' >- TOTP here we come!!! >Sends shudders up my spine. >I apologise for my temporary loss of sanity. >Byee! >Paul Pulp were also on R and J around the time of Common People and their cringeworthy attempts to be 'hip' and 'cool' when interviewing Jarvis constituted on of those classic live TV moments. Jarvis's retorts were hilarious, particularly his comment about Phil Collins! The Archdeacon of Pop ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 21:28:17 +0000 From: plaird To: "'sinister'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: plaird From 95516123 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 15:01:49 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:01:49 +0000 Subject: Sinister: bourgoisie Message-ID: <00019ACE.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> >Hello! >If anyone wants to know, Bourgoisie is a term used to describe the >middle class by Karl Marx in his book, Das Capital. >Greg >U7k88 at keele.ac.uk Really? Thanks. The A of P ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . 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Message-ID: <199710211527.QAA19703@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> >The White Room actually; I bet if that was still running B&S would have >appeared by now... Yeah, I was thinking the very same thing. What about 'Later with Jules Holland'? They have a very diverse range of music on. Also, does anybody know if MTV's Hit List UK shows the Top 40 or just Top 20? >Anyone got any good B&S promo ideas for the new EP? > Outrageous, expensive, just eye-catching stuff, please mail the list! They could "do a KLF" and spray paint 'le pastie de la bourgeoisie' on Hollyrood Palace. : ) Okay, maybe not. Cheers, John. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ta4091 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 18:16:00 1997 From: ta4091 at xxx.uk (Dazza) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:16:00 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Re: bourgoisie Message-ID: <53055330E52@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> > Hello! > If anyone wants to know, Bourgoisie is a term used to describe the middle > class by Karl Marx in his book, Das Capital. Er, yes, it's the "Pastie" bit that's confusing... Dazza ************ Oh! Lana Turner, we love you! Get up! ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Tue Oct 21 17:27:57 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:27:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian on the television, singing la la la la.... Message-ID: <01BCDE46.ACC993E0@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> >The White Room actually; I bet if that was still running B&S would have >appeared by now... >Yeah, I was thinking the very same thing. What about 'Later with Jules Holland'? They have a very diverse range of music on. Oh god, no! Can you imagine Jules Holland playing his bleedin' boogie woogie piano along to Seymour Stein! Aaaaagh.... doesn't even bear thinking about. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Tue Oct 21 18:57:54 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:57:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: session at west 54th (no real news but...) Message-ID: <0039600000407009000002L092*@MHS> someone sent me this: http://www.sessionsatwest54th.com which tells you when the recently recorded tv thing will be broadcast. actually the sessions listed only go up to the middle of november and there's no sign of b&s although the same person (rboge at ix.netcom.com) told me "December 27th". (tindersticks coming up shortly btw) also on the site is a little gadget where you can vote for which songs you want broadcast. oh, and very little mention of 'is it wicked' in these top 10s too, shame on you all. and whilst i'm here, a couple of little things: 'expectations' was played live at the sunday gig in NYC recently (someone was asking). it's the same gig where he said 'you're very quiet', 'no, we like that' (someone else was asking) and there wasn't a problem with the stylophone as such at the glasgow gig, it was the microphone that wasn't turned up. sarah noticed just before she was about to start and popped over and said something to the sound man who turned it on but it wasn't loud enough and it got drowned amongst everything else. they've not played it since (to my knowledge) which is a pity as it's a fave. oh, and manchester dates between christmas and new year's is possibly the worst idea i've heard in a while - traveling (on public transport at least) at that time of year is nothing but trouble. expensive too. and finding accomodation too, a nightmare. any news about france? it's a pity about the gig on the 10th - that would be 7th gig (and 4th country) in 364 days for me (the gig with arab strap at the borderline being last november 11th). it's just i've got to book holidays shortly... moan, moan, moan andy i'm bored. you probably are too after reading this. sorry. perhaps i should spend my time looking for other occurances of the words 'kate' and 'dornan' 8) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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I mean the refrain, afterall, is: "Beautiful, only slightly mental....." Also about all this whining and wondering about the Top of the Pops....I'd love for Belle & Sebastian to getall the respect adn praise that they can, but I'm fairly certain that the program is called TOP of the Pops for a reason, and if you aren't literally the top, you aren't invited, right? You guys in the UK should consider yourself lucky that a band like Belle & Sebastian are even mentioned when discussing charts and the like. here in the US our stupid radio/record sales charts are all cluttered with talentless fools......here, check out this past weeks Top Ten singles according to Gavin, the radio trade magazine's Top 40 chart: 1 Sugar Ray "Fly" 2 Jewel "Foolish Games" 3 Matchbox 20 "Push" 4 LeAnn Rimes "How Do I Live" 5 Paula Cole "I Don't Want to Wait" 6 Boyz II Men "4 Seasons of Lonliness" 7 Backstreet Boys "Quit Playing Games With My Heart" 8 Robyn "Show Me Love" 9 Third Eye Blind "Semi-Charmed Life" 10 Sarah McLachlan "Building a Mystery" --kelso NYC ======================================================================================== "Still, I always imagined a world infinitely more glittering." --Frederick Exley-- from "A Fan's Notes" ======================================================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ta4091 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 19:53:02 1997 From: ta4091 at xxx.uk (Dazza) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:53:02 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Beautiful Chords Message-ID: <531F3951A47@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> I'm sure some of those C#m7s are actually Emaj7s... so the intro is: A EM7 A EM7 A G#m F#m E And the verses go: A Emaj7 She lay in bed watching the colours change A Emaj7 She lay in bed watching the morning change A G#m F#m E She lay in bed watching the morning change, into green and gold A Emaj7 The doctor told her years ago that she was ill A Emaj7 The doctor told her years ago to take a pill A G#m The doctor told her years ago that she'd go blind F# if she wasn't careful etc. And the "choruses": C#m7 B They let Lisa go blind A G# The world was at her feet and she was looking down C#m7 B They let Lisa go blind A Amaj7 (?) And everyone she knew thought she was beautiful E Only slightly mental Amaj7 E Beautiful, only temperamental Amaj7 E Beautiful, only slightly mental Amaj7 Beautiful and C#m7 B A G# They let Lisa go blind, let Lisa go blind, let Lisa go blind C#m7 B They let Lisa go blind A She's looking like a queen Emaj7 A But if you knew what's going on in her life F#m B There'd be a thousand barren mothers there to talk to her Emaj7 A If you knew what's going on in her life F#m B There'd be two hundred troubled teenagers to sit with her B And talk to her E D If you knew what's going on in her life A What's going on in her life C# There would be a documentary on Radio 4 Emaj7 x7989(7) Amaj7 576655 Anyone else hear it like this? Or is it just me? I'm not sure about the chords during the trumpet solo yet... maybe tomorrow! Dazza ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Oct 21 19:03:16 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:03:16 +0200 Subject: Sinister: TOTP and Stylophone References: <344B69D2.1E35@virgin.net> <344B8734.D09CE140@colon.net.> <344C8332.16EB@virgin.net> Message-ID: <344CEE64.7B250379@colon.net.> Katrina at Jeepster wrote: > > > Hmm, Peter, do you own a Stylophone? > I used to have one when I was little, hence the unnatural fascination with this Sinclair C5 of the musical world. The only thing I could play on it was Skater's Waltz. My mother said it sounded like Sooty and Sweep. The Stylophone website seems to be out of order, but there are theremins aplenty out there. > If not, maybe we could all save our pennies, so that Peter > has a lovely > brand new Styophone for Xmas, and we can hear his very own > Stylophone > mishap stories instead of Rolf Harris & the Beach Boyz... > I'd really like one. I've got a kiddie's xylophone on which I play the first bit of "Till I Die" by the aforementioned Beach Boys. But then along comes the difficult bit and I'm a goner. The story of my life. I can play the beginning of several Echo and the Bunnymen classics on the guitar, as well as the beginning of "Egyptian Reggae", but they all have difficult bits sooner or later. > I want one! > Well just wait until Sarah comes whizzing past on her roller skates playing hers and leg her up. While the little birdies are still flying round her head tweetinng merrily, grab her Stylophone and run off > Anyone got any good B&S promo ideas for the new EP? > Outrageous, > expensive, just eye-catching stuff, please mail the list! > Get the person who did the cartoon (on Andy's website) to do another one, maybe the story so far or something, and print up cute little comics instead of the usual CD inlay cards. Also, produce the abominable cassette single, so that Woolies don't have any excuse. There, two reasonably sensible suggestions. I don't know what's come over me. > Cheers, > Katrina. > > ps Peter, thanks for the gossip!!! It's not gossip, it's from the official Rolf Harris website, honest. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ta4091 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 20:48:19 1997 From: ta4091 at xxx.uk (Dazza) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:48:19 +0000 Subject: Sinister: The State I Am In Message-ID: <532DF475B3F@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> The State I Am In (Dog On Wheels version) I had to make some of the lines shorter to fit into the message window, sorry! C# B F# B C# B I was surprised, I was happy for a day in 1975 A#m G#m F# B C# B I was puzzled by a dream, it stayed with me all day in 1995 A#m G#m F# My brother had confessed he was gay B C# B it took the heat off me for a while A#m(C#) G#m(B) (in some later verses) He stood up with a sailor friend F# B C# B A#m G#m (C#) And made it known upon my sister's wedding day (not before chorus) I got married in a rush to save a kid from being deported, now she's in love I was so touched, I was moved to kick the crutches from my crippled friend She was not impressed 'cause I cured her on the sabbath, so I went to confess When she saw the funny side, we introduced my child bride to whisky and gin, to whisky and gin The priest in the booth had a photographic memory for all he had heard He took all of my sins and he wrote a pocket nocvel called The State I Am In So I gave myself to god, there was a pregnant pause before he said OK Now I spend my days turning tables round in Marks and Spencers, they don't seem to mind F# I gave myself to sin A#m I gave myself to providence E And I've been there and back again G#m The state that I am in (x2) Oh love of mine, could you condescend to help me 'cause I'm stupid and blind Desperation is the devil's work, it is the folly of a boy's empty mind Now I'm feeling dangerous, riding on city buses for a hobby is sad Leave me to a living and I promised that I'd entertain my crippled friend, my crippled friend I gave myself to sin I gave myself to providence And I've been there and back again The state that I am in (x4) B F# C# I gave myself to sin and I've been there and back again, oh yeah cheers Dazza ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Skreddy56 at xxx.com Tue Oct 21 19:57:37 1997 From: Skreddy56 at xxx.com (Skreddy56 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: session at west 54th (no real news but...) Message-ID: <971021145504_-292816752@emout20.mail.aol.com> > and there wasn't a problem with the stylophone as such at > the glasgow gig, it was the microphone that wasn't turned > up. sarah noticed just before she was about to start and > popped over and said something to the sound man who turned > it on but it wasn't loud enough and it got drowned amongst > everything else. they've not played it since (to my > knowledge) which is a pity as it's a fave. Sarah played a stylophone at the Sessions at w.54th thing. But they messed Mayfly up so badly both times they played it that it probably won't be aired. --Matt (skreddy56 at aol.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From AFox at xxx.com Tue Oct 21 20:12:13 1997 From: AFox at xxx.com (Andy Fox) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:12:13 -0400 Subject: Sinister: hello all Message-ID: I am new to the list and pretty new to B & S as well. I have the new album and EP (the 3.6.9. one) and am wondering: what else is out there, is any of it available in the US?, and are there live tapes floating around? Any help on one of these questions is appreciated. Please email privately. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cleonard at xxx.COM Tue Oct 21 12:59:38 1997 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 06:59:38 -0500 Subject: Sinister: TOTP and Stylophone Message-ID: >>> ....... Luckily, a member of the road crew had been >>> practising with his Stylophone earlier in the day, and >>> immediately rushed it over to Mike Love, who made a few bad >>> jokes and then proceeded to play it during their second >>> attempt at "Good Vibrations". Unfortunately, he had trouble >>> holding the Stylophone up to the microphone >> >> >>Mmmm........my Stylophone has a line-out, so you can plug it into an amp. >>You should >hear a Stylophone with the distortion cranked up high! F'ng yes, Rock Stylophone! - Have you got a wah-wah? How about a yoy-yoy? I know someone whos got a stylophone from the 60's in the original Rolf box in perfect condition. I had a shot but could only manage Rondo Alla Turka. Did anyone see Rolf on TOTP2 doing Sun Arise in the 60's? What a mad sounding record! I think he be blessed. Can anyone play the digeridoo? My friend brought me one back from Australia but I can't quite get my head round the breathing, so I cheat and shout WWOWYOOYWOWWYOY down it. My old Auntie thinks it's impressive, but she's mad and thinks it's Wednesday when it's not. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mcmillen at xxx.com Tue Oct 21 22:50:13 1997 From: mcmillen at xxx.com (mcmillen at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:50:13 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Sessions at West 54th schedule References: <971021152548_1590170440@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <344D2395.5A15@seanet.com> Hey, This was posted to another list I am on. My local PBS station doesnt show it! Crap. I am a big Jane Siberry fan too. > > The following is a Sessions at West 54th schedule, obtained from Rock on TV, > on the web at www.rockontv.com. The Sessions web site has not been updated > yet to include shows airing after the end of November. > > < Eastern, but times may vary - be sure to consult your local TV listings > for the correct date, time and public television channel in your locale - > listings are subject to change. > > #118 - Rickie Lee Jones and Tindersticks (11/01) > #119 - Beck and Ben Folds Five (11/08) > #120 - David Byrne (11/15) > #121 - Fiona Apple and Luscious Jackson (11/22) > #122 - Sheryl Crow and Gillian Welch (11/29) > #123 - Best Of Sessions (12/06, 12/13) > #124 - Leo Kotke and Laura Love (12/20) > #125 - Jane Siberry and Belle & Sebastian (12/27) > #126 - Ani DiFranco and Tricky (01/03) >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From hugh.atkins at xxx.net Tue Oct 21 22:49:03 1997 From: hugh.atkins at xxx.net (hugh.atkins at xxx.net) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:49:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Top ten Message-ID: <344D234F.451E@virgin.net> Thanks to all who have sent me their top tens. The Department of Statistics will post the result at the weekend. Anyone care to predict the top 3 ? (there is a clear leader so far...) In the meantime, for anyone who missed my original message - please email me your top 10 b&s songs. Thanks again hugh.atkins at virgin.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Tue Oct 21 23:01:05 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:01:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: A century of people who like to drop names of unreleased songs Message-ID: Do anyone know if it´s a real book B&S are singing about in "A century of fakers"? The one that´s dedicated to " a century..", that is. On the top ten lists: Are there really a point in naming songs which only have been heard live? Of course "Ease your feet in the sea" is a great song, but it won´t make the summed up list any good if just three persons (or whatever, just trying to make my point) among us have heard it. I think we just should name songs on the released records. But now it´s too late, I guess (just waiting for the sarcastic answer here). ///Klas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From the.spod at xxx.com Tue Oct 21 23:27:34 1997 From: the.spod at xxx.com (Daniel Smith) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:27:34 +-100 Subject: Sinister: Top Ten Message-ID: <01BCDE78.F00F2F20@annex1-31.mcc.ac.uk> And yet ANOTHER B & S Top Ten it just goes on... 1. The Stars of Track and Field 2. Mayfly 3. Lazy Line Painter Jane 4. If your feeling Sinister 5. Dog On Wheels 6. You Made Me Forget My Dreams 7. Seeing Other People 8. La Pastie de la Bourgeoisie 9. Judy and the Dream of Horses 10. Beautiful By the way is the gig in Manchester on the 29th????? Hopefully they won't cancel there gigs like some other bands I could mention (Geneva -humpf!) I have started to compile a MS Theme for B & S (are there any already??) but I don't have Tigermilk so if anyone out there thinks there are snippets on there worth using (which of course there must be) could they plse mail me with them in any format (or even if someone is willing to tape it for me??? Will pay for all costs) Concerning gigs in Man. I should be around and will have an empty house (I think?) so there will be some space here if anyone needs a place to stay. Also the Rolf Harris thing??? nah B & S should do a Bond Cover (like the new David Arnold thing) Live and Let Die or Goldfinger? YOU DECIDE!! Out of interest how many ppl from Manchester are actually on this list (just for curiosities sake) The Spod xxxx "Kids" - Stormtroopers of the Dark Lord Entropy the.spod at deathsdoor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From verity.clarkson at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 00:42:36 1997 From: verity.clarkson at xxx.uk (*La Grande V*) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:42:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: do something pretty while you can In-Reply-To: <01BCDE78.F00F2F20@annex1-31.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: hiya when isobel wrote to me a few weeks back, she said that the manchester gigs would be on the 28th, 29th and 30th of december, but that they hadn't been confirmed. i don't know if they're doing all 3 or not, as i haven't heard from her since...... (ooh, and it's my 21st birthday on the 31st as well! i cant wait!) much love Verity ps: thanks for the poster, katrina - it has made my college room look so much more silvery and spangly. i'll have a think about promo gimmicks for the next record....hmmmmmmm. difficult one. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From steve at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 01:06:01 1997 From: steve at xxx.uk (steve genge) Date: 22 Oct 1997 01:06:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: TOTP and Stylophone In-Reply-To: <344C8332.16EB@virgin.net> Message-ID: <68DC7479.MD-0.196.steve@seahorses.demon.co.uk> > If not, maybe we could all save our pennies, so that Peter has a lovely > brand new Styophone for Xmas, and we can hear his very own Stylophone > mishap stories instead of Rolf Harris & the Beach Boyz... > > ...sorry, the stories are cute really :) > > I want one! I also seem to remember seeing a reprint of an old newspaper ad with David Bowie singing the praises of Stylophone. Then again he always was a bandwagon jumer so he was obviously copying the god-like Rolf. Not sure who persuaded my parents to buy a tasteful wood effect one though? Seriously doubt it was Bowie. > > Anyone got any good B&S promo ideas for the new EP? Outrageous, > expensive, just eye-catching stuff, please mail the list! Well I recently got misty eyed over the passing of shaped picture discs. Remember some especially fine Iron Maiden ones including one of a brain. So howsabout a limited run of them shaped like band members heads? Then fans could also turn them into those eye catching picture disc wall clocks? maybe time I went to bed? steve x ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mdking at xxx.EDU Wed Oct 22 05:41:20 1997 From: mdking at xxx.EDU (michael king) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:41:20 -0400 Subject: Sinister: tour dates? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971022004120.0069c0e0@mail.clemson.edu> does anyone know of any us tour dates? Also, any live tapes of shows? What is their policy towards taping? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From patrick at xxx.net Wed Oct 22 08:02:52 1997 From: patrick at xxx.net (stinger) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:02:52 -0700 Subject: Sinister: top10 References: <344DA360.6C7B@nothingbutnet.net> Message-ID: <344DA51C.2914@nothingbutnet.net> stinger wrote: 1. Dylan in the Movies (U.S. promo only edit) 2. Electronic Renaissance (Flood remix) 3. Stars of Track and Field (Jessie Owens Memorial Gold Medal Version) 4. Ink Polaroids (the musical) 5. Supersonic 6. She Came Through the Bathroom Window 7. Photo James (Rear Window Version) 8. The Thoughts of Mary Jane 9. Signed D.C. 10. As yet unnamed composition (something Stuart sang to me over the phone) Just kidding. Don't mean to be a jerk but I think it's sort of cheesy to name unrealesed songs in your top 10. It's certainly your decision but what's the point? Other than to let other people know that you have them and they don't. I have a tape with unreleased tracks too but that doesn't mean I'm a bigger fan it just makes me lucky. So here's my "all's fair in love and domesticity top 10 1. Me and the Major 2. The State I Am In 3. She's Losing It 4. Belle and Sebastain 5. Stars of Track and Field 6. The Fox in the Snow 7. Judy and the Dream of Horses 8. A Century of Fakers 9. Seeing Other People 10.She's Losing It ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmf at xxx.net Wed Oct 22 08:52:09 1997 From: jmf at xxx.net (J M F) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:52:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: top10 In-Reply-To: <344DA51C.2914@nothingbutnet.net> References: <344DA360.6C7B@nothingbutnet.net> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971022085209.006d576c@mail.psionworld.net> At 00:02 22/10/97 -0700, you wrote: > >stinger wrote: > > 1. Dylan in the Movies (U.S. promo only edit) > 2. Electronic Renaissance (Flood remix) > 3. Stars of Track and Field (Jessie Owens Memorial Gold Medal Version) > 4. Ink Polaroids (the musical) > 5. Supersonic > 6. She Came Through the Bathroom Window > 7. Photo James (Rear Window Version) > 8. The Thoughts of Mary Jane > 9. Signed D.C. > 10. As yet unnamed composition (something Stuart sang to me over the > phone) > > Just kidding. Don't mean to be a jerk but I think it's sort of cheesy >to name unrealesed songs in your top 10. It's certainly your decision >but what's the point? Other than to let other people know that you have >them and they don't. I have a tape with unreleased tracks too but that > doesn't mean I'm a bigger fan it just makes me lucky. So here's my > "all's fair in love and domesticity top 10 > Ha ha; nice one, I was on the verge of saying this myself. John. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mahmed at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 09:07:21 1997 From: mahmed at xxx.uk (mahmed at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:07:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Top 10 Message-ID: <344DB439.48F6@meto.gov.uk> My top 10: stringbean jean seeing other people don't look back (like Dylan in the movies) judy and the dream of horses the state i am in the stars of track and field dogs on wheels me and the major if your feeling sinister get me away from here I wanted "stringbean jean" to occupy positions 1-10..... Until "stringbean jean" came along, no song has had a direct impact on me since first hearing "about a girl" by Nirvana (the live version on the "sliver" single to be precise) and that was 6 years ago. Mussadiq ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 12:07:52 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:07:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: TOTP and Stylophone Message-ID: <01BCDE19.F5940B00@rainbow.qss.co.uk> If not, maybe we could all save our pennies, so that Peter has a lovely brand new Styophone for Xmas, and we can hear his very own Stylophone mishap stories instead of Rolf Harris & the Beach Boyz... [Keith Watson] There's a load of posters around Edinburgh at the moment of a club called DayTripper which features a large picture of Rolf proudly displaying his Stylophone... The guy who runs this club is a chap called Chris whom I gave a B+S ticket to last march as I'd bought a few extra - so it's probable that's why - I'll ask him next time I see him. Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Oct 20 17:21:43 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:21:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: huh? Message-ID: <01BCDD7C.A36FD630@rainbow.qss.co.uk> alright, regarding the top ten.....i'm not even gonna attempt it. but i do have a question. i've recognized all the songs (unreleased and released) except for one. what the hell is "pocketbook angel"? is it one of those unreleased ones or is it on a compilation or what? i haven't heard that one talked about on the list before. -brad [Keith Watson] Pocketbook Angel isn't strictly a Belle and Sebastian song which does seem odd that it's on people's lists. It's a song recorded by Stuart whilst at Stow College. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From John.Johnston at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 10:27:27 1997 From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:27:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: promo a go-go Message-ID: This one's a sure-fire christmas hit with the kiddies... Belle and Sebastian action-figures! What with the shortage of Spice Girl dolls this Chrimbo hard-pressed parents will be happy for any pop star figures they can find. And actuall fans will be be able to collect the whole set and create their own shambolic concerts in the comfort of their own home! Just think of all the excellent and easily lost accessories...mini star wars T-shirts, tiny Stylophones, cellos, racks of keyboards. Further ideas welcomed.... And there should be a special limited edition Stuart Murdoch doll with a string in the back that when you pull it goes "I was surprised, I was happy for a ... um, errr. Oh.". Soon Buzz Lighthousefamily, Leonardo di Caprio and the other turtles will be eclipsed in the pantheon of merchandise by the clamour for fabby belle and sebastian gear and the chance to do something pretty while you can. Oh Joy! One last thing. I think it's fine to include unreleased songs in your personal top ten. It's your top ten and if you've heard a song and you love it - stick it in. It doesn't mean that you're trying to be flash. (Us Quakers are so bloody reasonable, eh) And another last thing. Did you know Pastie was a word Engels used to describe dinner round at Karl Marx's house? Not a lot of people know that Karl Marx used to make exceedingly good cakes. "Like your manifesto - I'll put it to the testo" hot love john xxxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 10:32:06 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:32:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: top10 Message-ID: <01BCDED5.BF485440@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Just kidding. Don't mean to be a jerk but I think it's sort of cheesy to name unrealesed songs in your top 10. It's certainly your decision but what's the point? Other than to let other people know that you have them and they don't. I have a tape with unreleased tracks too but that doesn't mean I'm a bigger fan it just makes me lucky. So here's my "all's fair in love and domesticity top 10 [Keith Watson] Ha ha - agreed... I can't really see any other reason that "Pocketbook Angel" would be in anyone's top ten. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Wed Oct 22 12:03:12 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:03:12 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199710220951.KAA26822@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> This review is from 'Music Central' web site: BELLE & SEBASTIAN - IF YOUR FEELING SINISTER A few clarifications: Belle And Sebastian are not a duo. None of the seven band members is named Belle or Sebastian. None of them appear in publicity photos (the most prevalent of which features an unnamed girl in a surgical mask). All that pretentious hooey is echoed in the Scottish septet's music. Music that nonetheless happens to be exceptional. These 10 folk-pop songs, originally released on Jeepster in the UK, are marked by sweet melodies, Stuart Murdoch's Scottish-accented Donovan-like vocals, and zero concessions to commercial trends. >From the wryly self-deprecating "Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying" to the folkish "The Stars Of Track And Field", Belle And Sebastian plow fresh turf and sow it with seeds from a vast crowd that includes the Beatles, the Tindersticks, Nick Drake, the Smiths, Paul Simon, and the Lovin' Spoonful. The Glasgow septet's smart songwriting shines in the clever, piano-enlivened "Seeing Other People", the acoustic but complex "The Fox In The Snow", and the snappy title track (primary character Hilary is "into S&M and Bible studies"). Songs on If You're Feeling Sinister are built on layers of drum patterns, strings, recorder, sporadic trumpet flourishes, and vocal harmonies that underscore the sensitivity and whimsy of the lyrics. On the heart-tugging "Judy And The Dream Of Horses", guitar remnants of the Velvet Underground swirl around the story of a teen misfit. Belle And Sebastian deliver substance and resonance you'd never expect from such precious and precocious pop. Reviewers Rating: * * * * Readers Rating: * * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Oct 21 16:42:15 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:42:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: bourgoisie Message-ID: <01BCDE40.4AA40E30@rainbow.qss.co.uk> >Hello! >If anyone wants to know, Bourgoisie is a term used to describe the >middle class by Karl Marx in his book, Das Capital. >Greg >U7k88 at keele.ac.uk Really? Thanks. The A of P [Keith Watson] This list is read by numerous people for whom this term may not be familiar - people speaking languages other than English or French for example. No need to be patronising. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 9607129h at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 12:24:25 1997 From: 9607129h at xxx.uk (Neil Hargreaves) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:24:25 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Promos Message-ID: <4B33EB96CBA@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Hi, Promo ideas hmmmm Well, one thing we could do is everyone on this list kinda of writes the name of the single or something intriuging connected with it on all the notes that pass our way and eventually its like written on a fuck lot of notes... Bad points about this: Is it illegal, or is that only if you write on the famous persons face (not literally thought that *would* be good publicity Also... it means conforming to the evil capatalist system... or is it subverting it. I can never tell with stuff like this... Well... its an idea. Cheers, Neil H -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From hc97st at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 11:54:40 1997 From: hc97st at xxx.uk (Simon Tyers) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:54:40 BST Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian on the television, singing la la la la....Re:Sin Message-ID: <199710221054.LAA08638@aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk> > Also, does anybody know if MTV's Hit List UK shows the Top 40 or just Top > 20? Usually the top 40,but guess how much they showed on Monday? There's a two-hour version on Sundays at 10am,though,which usually shows all the new entries. Simon Tyers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 18:53:02 1997 From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:53:02 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Promo ideas Message-ID: <44E50C60.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> It needs to be something quirky and something which would be anathema to "the starmaker machinery behind the popular song". I bought a BMX bandits record once (shhh!) which had a little cartoon strip inside and someone had handwritten in pen on my copy "I love you very very much". I liked the personal element of this. I guess BMX Bandits sold a lot less records than B&S are going to be selling ... maybe it would be wholly impractical! Here are some other ideas. 1. Bring back seventies car stickers! ELO did it, why not B&S? There should be a B&S sticker in the back of every car in the kingdom. 2. Willy Wonka style "Golden CDs", 500 of which (e.g.) have a ticket inside entitling the holder to a trip to, er, the Grosvenor Cafe... 3. Free flowers with every purchase. 4. Free tickets for next B&S gig. 5. Lifetime membership of Rolf Harris fan club. 6. "Introduce a friend" discounts and bonus system. 7. That's all. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From t.hopkins at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 12:25:00 1997 From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:25:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Promos Message-ID: <199710221123.MAA08752@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> How about taking the KLF to a remote Hebridean island and burning them? TimH ---------- Hi, Promo ideas hmmmm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Wed Oct 22 13:22:54 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:22:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: unreleased tracks in top 10s Message-ID: <0039600000413868000002L082*@MHS> me: >> oh, and very little mention of 'is it wicked' in these >>top 10s too, shame on you all. dazza: >Err, perhaps this is because most people haven't heard it? well, they've played it live 4 or 5 times now and plenty of people on this list have heard it (you couldn't spit at the new york gig without hitting someone on this list, less true for london / oxford the month or so before that but there were still considerable numbers of us there). i'm also sure that they all dug it (it's the one where isobel does all the singing) but i guess they just don't know what it was called or didn't want to vote for unreleased stuff (despite it all being head and shoulders above the recent b-sides)(oh, don't go on dean)(sorry) as for unreleased tracks, well, i've done about 20 or so tigermilk tapes for people and made a point of putting all the demo stuff (which turned out to be stuart murdoch on his own, i didn't know this at the time but it makes sense given how it sounds) and sessions things i had on the b-side so that everyone could hear them. i guess all the tapes pam (mmmm, chocolate... thanks) did were the same seeing as her source was identical to mine. (i don't know about the copies ben did). so a lot of you have heard them. but, yeah, still a minority i guess. point taken. dum de dum. oh, the person who wanted tigermilk samples hasn't really been looking, try http://www.geld.com/tweenet/bas/ andy and, woefully off-topic but we've talked about this before so... isn't the new radio 1 breakfast show pants? much better off watching the big breakfast (but not next week as johnny vaughan is on holiday and they got some crap band in instead). or the tellytubbies. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Wed Oct 22 13:18:49 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:18:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: tour diary part 4 Message-ID: <0039600000414088000002L082*@MHS> melody maker, last week, blah blah It's Chris. Aye. Myself and Stuart went up to Harlem on Sunday. And went to church. We got up quite early, after the show, and put our smart clothes on and went on the tube to this gospel church. It was amazing. The best music I've ever heard. And the coolest people I've ever met, just totally friendly. And the most ever religious feeling I've felt in a kind of religious place. Totally awesome. I wanted to get up and start shouting something when the choir was singing, but the only thing i could think of was, "F***ing hell, f***ing hell, this is amazing." So I thought I'd better keep my mouth shut. I didn't think they'd take too kindly to some wee guy jumping up shouting, "F***ing hell". Afterwards, I walked back down all the way through Central Park. I took my jacket off and was just walking down with my suit on, walking in the sunshine with all the joggers. It was great. Just a really good day. All right. Bye, bye. (tomorrow: richard, taxis, shops, diners, planes) andy (oh, no need for anyone to chip in with this anymore, i've already transcribed parts 5 to 8 and just have to post them.)(and that's the melody maker's censorship btw) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From timminsc at xxx.ie Wed Oct 22 12:40:15 1997 From: timminsc at xxx.ie (Claire Timmins) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:40:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: pastie Message-ID: Out of severe boredom I took to searching the internet and decided to enter 'pastie' in the seek window, this is what turned up as a definition. I doubt its relevance to 'La pastie...' but hey, it's something to read......especially the difference in the two definitions given. pastie /pay'stee/ /n./ An adhesive-backed label designed to be attached to a key on a keyboard to indicate some non-standard character which can be accessed through that key. Pasties are likely to be used in APL environments, where almost every key is associated with a special character. A pastie on the R key, for example, might remind the user that it is used to generate the rho character. The term properly refers to nipple-concealing devices formerly worn by strippers in concession to indecent-exposure laws; compare tits on a keyboard. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 20:32:20 1997 From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:32:20 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Re: Message-ID: <44E57E80.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> a vast crowd that includes the Beatles, the Tindersticks, Nick Drake, the Smiths, Paul Simon, and the Lovin' Spoonful. Paul Simon? Where did that one come from? anyone got any thoughts? Never mind this top 10 songs thing (agog though I am to hear the "winner"), perhaps we should also vote for top B&S moments. Here are five of mine: 1. the way Stuart sings "because she wanted informa-tion"... on Sinister 2. that wee voice going "I don't know!" on Photo Jenny 3. the way the melody suddenly kicks in at the beginning of The State I'm In, in a moment of unbearable beauty, and then builds and builds 4. the last cheeky line of Centuries of Elvis 5. the way you're not quite sure if Stuart will reach the high note on "washing up" in She's Losing It just a thought C ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 13:01:57 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:01:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Re: unreleased tracks in top 10s Message-ID: <199710221201.NAA19752@brookes.ac.uk> me: >>> oh, and very little mention of 'is it wicked' in these >>>top 10s too, shame on you all. dazza: >>Err, perhaps this is because most people haven't heard it? andy: >how it sounds) and sessions things i had on the b-side so >that everyone could hear them. i guess all the tapes pam >(mmmm, chocolate... thanks) did were the same seeing as her >source was identical to mine. (i don't know about the copies >ben did). so a lot of you have heard them. but, yeah, still >a minority i guess. point taken. I did the same as you Andy, with the sessions and the demo's. That's gone out to about 20-odd people, so there !! If anyone feels like they are missing out or whatever, just mail me and I'll do a Tigermilk tape for you, and the sessions, and Pocketbook angel and stuff. Ben. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Oct 22 13:01:28 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:01:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Those B&S moments In-Reply-To: <44E57E80.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Charlotte Hall wrote: > Never mind this top 10 songs thing (agog though I am to hear the > "winner"), perhaps we should also vote for top B&S moments. Here are > five of mine: Good one, Charlotte! Much prefer this to a top 10: how about... The intentional unintentional intentional wobbly school recorders in "Judy"? "When the music STOPS" (and we skip a heartbeat) in Dylan In The Movies Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From grthom at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 13:19:40 1997 From: grthom at xxx.uk (G R Thomas) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:19:40 +0100 (British Summer Time) Subject: Sinister: LET'S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT Message-ID: OK, before I even start. That's 3 incorrect entries already, and as for the latest one, obviously didn't read the book well enough. THE BOURGOISIE IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT!!! THE MIDDLE CLASS. THE BOURGOISIE IS THE UPPER, RULING OR OWNING CLASS. IN MARXIST POLITICS/ECONOMICCS/SOCIOLOGY, THERE ARE 2(TWO) CLASSES-THE PROLETARIAT (THE WORKERS) AND THE BOURGOISIE-(THE OWNERS OF THE COMPANIES/INDUSTRIES THAT THE PROLETARIAT WORK IN), AND NO, I REPEAT NO MIDDLE CLASS. THE BOURGOISIE ARE NOT THE MIDDLE CLASS, THEY ARE THE OWNING OR UPPER CLASS. OK. In a related aside, I looked up 'pastie' in a French/English dictionary yesterday and the closest i could find was 'pastis' meaning 'aniseed aperitif' but also 'muddle, confusion or fix'. Close, maybe... Anyway, I'll come back soon with a nice message to properly introduce myself, but for the moment I was stirred into action by a few people getting a few important details essentially wrong. Cheers, love, GIDEON THOMAS (a name new to the list, but not to B+S) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Wed Oct 22 13:28:03 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Eeyore) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:28:03 +0200 Subject: Sinister: stylophones... Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971022122803.0067a02c@student.let.uva.nl> Er...this probably is a really stupid question, but.....what exactly _is_ a stylophone? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 13:26:08 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:26:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: B&S interview on Radio one. Message-ID: <199710221226.NAA24618@brookes.ac.uk> My heart just skipped a beat then, when B&S, well Chris and Sarah, were interviewed on 'The Net' radio 1 news programme just about a minute ago. They were going on that they don't do interviews as they'd rather let the music stand for itself, and they all want to stand or fall by the record and let the music do the talking rather than going to NME saying they are the best band in the world. That was a good moment in my dull day at work. Ben. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ta4091 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 14:35:34 1997 From: ta4091 at xxx.uk (Dazza) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:35:34 +0000 Subject: Sinister: A Poem Message-ID: <544A94B0F39@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> Sorry, this really is a waste of your time, but I liked this and it made me think of B'n'S so... A Dark Portrait --------------- She always said "tu" in such a way as if she wanted to sleep with you or had just had a most passionate orgasm And she tutoyed everyone But she was really like Nora in Nightwood long-gaited and restless as a mare And coursed the cafes through revolving doors and nights looking for the lover who would never satisfy her And when she grew old slept among horses - Lawrence Ferlinghetti, 1984 cheers Dazza ************ Ho! Ho! Ho! (only kidding) ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ta4091 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 14:38:02 1997 From: ta4091 at xxx.uk (Dazza) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:38:02 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Those B&S moments Message-ID: <544B3F90193@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> > Good one, Charlotte! Much prefer this to a top 10: how about... > > The intentional unintentional intentional wobbly school recorders in > "Judy"? That's an absolutely perfect description! > "When the music STOPS" (and we skip a heartbeat) in Dylan In The Movies -gasp- Dazza ************ Ho! Ho! Ho! (only kidding) ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From qhsmich at xxx.se Wed Oct 22 13:24:01 1997 From: qhsmich at xxx.se (Micheál O'Dwyer) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:24:01 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Seymour Stein Message-ID: <344DF061.6127@aom.ericsson.se> Seeing as 'Seymour Stein' is making a few appearances in people's top tens, I was wondering about the vocalist on this. I seem to remember reading that this was one of the songs recorded for the last radio session. Well, at the Barcelona gig, I am certain that Stevie took lead vocalist duties for this song (and a damn fine job he did of it too). I seem to remember a line that went something like "...said I reminded him of Johnny from the Smiths". So who sang on the radio session version? And are there any other recorded tracks featuring different lead vocalists (besides Century of Elvis)? And does anybody know the song that Isobel sang in Barcelona? And does anybody from Spain know if the cameras present meant that the gig was going to be broadcast on TV at a future date? Oooh... So many questions, and not a top ten in sight (I'm still waiting on my copy of 3,6,9..) Mick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From EGB97JEH at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 14:59:58 1997 From: EGB97JEH at xxx.uk (J.E.Higgott) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:59:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: LET'S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT Message-ID: Thanks for clarifying that one but has noone perhaps realised that 'Le Pastie de la Bourgeoisie' could be a wry social comment. A Pastie is associated with Cornish miners. It is very much a working class snack. If the pastie in 'Le Pastie...' is such an object (and the French do make all words imported from English masculine which would explain the 'Le') then there could be a thinly veiled meaning to do with the Marxist belief that Communism is the inevitable future of society. Bourgeois ruling class eating working class food indicates an equality of the classes that, according to Marxism, cannot fail to happen one day. Hence, 'Le Pastie de la Bourgeoisie' Or perhaps it's a spelling error for 'La Patsy de la Bourgeoisie' Or perhaps it's just a title. Oh well ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Wed Oct 22 15:08:39 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Eeyore) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:08:39 +0200 Subject: Sinister: stylophones... Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971022140839.0067ce30@student.let.uva.nl> >aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. A stylophone is a >small, annoying instrument used by the likes of Rolf Harris. It has >a metal plate that is divided into notes like a piano (ie, there are >white keys and black keys but they're all the same copper colour - >comprendez?). A small pen-shaped conductor with a wire running into >the back of the machine is pressed onto the metal plate at the >appropriate note and that note comes out of the instrument in a >rather nasal tone through a small speaker. > Hmmm weird. Certainly sounds like a Rolf Harris-thing. Thanks. Oh, does anybody know if This Life is coming back on the BBC? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 95516123 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 16:09:37 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:09:37 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian on the television, singing l Message-ID: <0001A4A9.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> >Oh god, no! Can you imagine Jules Holland playing his bleedin' boogie >woogie piano along to Seymour Stein! Aaaaagh.... doesn't >even bear thinking about. I would say that it beats 1000 pre-pubescent girls screaming along with it, pretending to have heard of B&S before. The Archdeacon of Pop ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- Received: from sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (129.215.72.230) by CSUNT2.napier.ac.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00019DE8; Tue, 21 Oct 97 18:16:50 +0000 Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA03854 for sinister-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:37:35 +0100 Received: from brimstone.uk.uu.net (brimstone.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com [194.130.2.20]) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA03850 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:37:33 +0100 Received: from tesco.unipalm.pipex.com by brimstone.uk.uu.net (8.6.12/PIPEX simple 1.22) id RAA22409; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:37:51 +0100 Received: by tesco.unipalm.pipex.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCDE46.ACC993E0 at tesco.unipalm.pipex.com>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:27:58 +0100 Message-ID: <01BCDE46.ACC993E0 at tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> From: Nigel Turner To: "sinister at majordomo.net" Subject: RE: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian on the television, singing la la la la.... Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:27:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Nigel Turner From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Wed Oct 22 16:39:55 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:39:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: B&S interview on Radio one. Message-ID: <0039600000415717000002L072*@MHS> Sinister: B&S interview on Radio one. >ben ferneyhough (bferneyhough at brookes.ac.uk) >Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:26:08 +0100 (BST) >My heart just skipped a beat then, when B&S, well Chris and >Sarah, were interviewed on 'The Net' radio 1 news programme >just about a minute ago. um, just to add that 'the net' is repeated two or three times during the day so there's still a chance to catch the repeat. i thought it was on the website in real audio format too but couldn't find it. and there's nothing worth reading under the news pages although that may not have been updated yet. a transcription appears on bbc teletext though, under the 560 music pages i think but again you may have to wait a while. i'll forward it if i see it. thinking about it, the first couple of eps were both reviewed extensively on teletext but the current one hasn't been. the first two were both mentioned in 'the face' too. could this all be down to the confusion over release dates? andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmf at xxx.net Wed Oct 22 15:56:26 1997 From: jmf at xxx.net (J M F) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:56:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: LET'S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT Message-ID: <01bcdefa$abfb61a0$4a0181c2@JohnF.plc.psion.com> ...then there could be a thinly veiled meaning to do with the Marxist belief that Communism is the inevitable future of society. Bourgeois ruling class eating working class food indicates an equality of the classes that, according to Marxism, cannot fail to happen one day The pivotal words being... Come on, it's not nice to suggest B&S are that dim. 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Wed Oct 22 16:20:44 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:20:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister: do something pretty while you can References: Message-ID: <344E19CC.7AFD06FA@mcmail.com> > when isobel wrote to me a few weeks back, she said that the manchester > > gigs would be on the 28th, 29th and 30th of december, but that they > hadn't > been confirmed. i don't know if they're doing all 3 or not, as i > haven't > heard from her since...... Right! So who's [thinking of] going? It'd be great to have a decent sized list meet up... get in touch you 'orrible lot. Or suffer a terrible fate (I haven't thought of it yet, but I have a warped imagination!) Love Kate xxx (feeling a bit manic...must be the caffeine) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a-bergman at xxx.edu Wed Oct 22 16:38:42 1997 From: a-bergman at xxx.edu (Amanda Bergman) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:38:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Sinister: Paul & promos In-Reply-To: <44E57E80.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> Message-ID: > a vast crowd that includes the Beatles, the Tindersticks, Nick Drake, the >Smiths, Paul Simon, and the Lovin' Spoonful. > > Paul Simon? Where did that one come from? anyone got any thoughts?> Just FYI...I have been playing B&S nearly constantly since I arrived here at school, and at least five different people who had never heard them before told me that the sound was reminiscent of Paul Simon. Personally, I'm not sure I see it, but hey...whatever butters your proverbial muffin, I always say (or maybe proverbial pastie??). As far as promos go, posters are always a good thing. universal appeal, I think. ta, Amanda -- Amanda Bergman Northwestern University a-bergman at nwu.edu "At another table, a girl stared solemnly into her cup. Jim wished he could've taken her picture. But then he was afraid that he might steal the moment away from her." --Belle and Sebastian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 16:56:27 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:56:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Le Pastie de la Bourgeousie Message-ID: <01BCDF0B.70A7F120@rainbow.qss.co.uk> It appears that what Stuart means by this is not actually what it translates to. Oh well. Stand at the back of the class Murdoch! However, we all know from previous postings that what it's meant to mean is that Le Pastie de la Bourgeousie is roughly translated as "The Apathy of the Upper Class" (This phrase is turning out to be cliched in the same league as "The troubled mir space station") Which does rather tie in with the themes in the song. On a different note: Having a B+S meeting on 1st Nov at the Egg in Edinburgh, at least, Pam from Washington is coming across, so if Nathan, John, Paul or indeed anyone else wants to come along, we'll meet up... In fact... I'll probably be spewing up... Well, it's only a quid 50 a pint! So it's not my fault. Cheers, Keith. [However - Le Pastie de la Boulangerie provided me with many laughs!] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mlang at xxx.com Wed Oct 22 18:09:52 1997 From: mlang at xxx.com (Matrix) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:09:52 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Re: Message-ID: > a vast crowd that includes the Beatles, the Tindersticks, Nick Drake, the >Smiths, Paul Simon, and the Lovin' Spoonful. > > Paul Simon? Where did that one come from? anyone got any thoughts? Paul Simon is a huge influence on Belle and Sebastian, and I credit this reviewer for pointing it out. Paul Simon is a storyteller, a narrator and Belle and Sebastian songs are full of narratives of a similar feel... I feel like this puts them very lyrically influenced by Paul Simon. Nick Drake's lyrics seem more full of self reflection and pictures being painted. I am sitting here listening to the new Paul Simon record, songs from his upcoming musical, "The Capeman" and some of these songs move me in exactly the same way that Belle and Sebastian does. I urge you all to drop any prejudices you may have, and give this record a listen when it comes out next month. One of my favorite moments on IYFS, is "the snow is falling" section at the end of Me and the Major which to me is more reminiscent of Paul Simon than anyone else. Of course, when you discuss artists that began recording in the mid sixties, like Bob Dylan, the Beatles, and Paul Simon, their influences are so ingrained in every thing we listen to that it does become a bit blurry. Sorry to go on and on but the timing of this post coinciding with what I was listening to spurred me on. matrix ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From scc644 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 18:22:08 1997 From: scc644 at xxx.uk (Soozy) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:22:08 +0000 Subject: Sinister: do something pretty while you can In-Reply-To: <344E19CC.7AFD06FA@mcmail.com> Message-ID: > > when isobel wrote to me a few weeks back, she said that the manchester > > > > gigs would be on the 28th, 29th and 30th of december, but that they > > hadn't > > been confirmed. i don't know if they're doing all 3 or not, as i > > haven't > > heard from her since...... > > Right! So who's [thinking of] going? It'd be great to have a decent > sized list meet up... get in touch you 'orrible lot. me me me! I'm coming! To all of them! > Or suffer a > terrible fate (I haven't thought of it yet, but I have a warped > imagination!) Yep, I can vouch for this! This girl has a *worrying* mind! Soozy xox who thinks she overdid it a bit on the exclamation marks there ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Wed Oct 22 17:30:19 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:30:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: do something pretty while you can References: Message-ID: <344E2A1B.62A7E25A@mcmail.com> > > Right! So who's [thinking of] going? It'd be great to have a decent > > sized list meet up... get in touch you 'orrible lot. > > me me me! I'm coming! To all of them! Yeah well obviously, since you're STAYING with me! :) > Yep, I can vouch for this! This girl has a *worrying* mind! You don't know the half of it... Well actually you do cause I just told you on irc....... :) but luckily no one else does.. OK I will shut up now, this is a FAMILY list! Love Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mlang at xxx.com Wed Oct 22 18:45:45 1997 From: mlang at xxx.com (Matrix) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:45:45 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Paul Simon Message-ID: > a vast crowd that includes the Beatles, the Tindersticks, Nick Drake, the >Smiths, Paul Simon, and the Lovin' Spoonful. > > Paul Simon? Where did that one come from? anyone got any thoughts? Paul Simon is a huge influence on Belle and Sebastian, and I credit this reviewer for pointing it out. Paul Simon is a storyteller, a narrator and Belle and Sebastian songs are full of narratives of a similar feel... I feel like this puts them very lyrically influenced by Paul Simon. Nick Drake's lyrics seem more full of self reflection and pictures being painted. I am sitting here listening to the new Paul Simon record, songs from his upcoming musical, "The Capeman" and some of these songs move me in exactly the same way that Belle and Sebastian does. I urge you all to drop any prejudices you may have, and give this record a listen when it comes out next month. One of my favorite moments on IYFS, is "the snow is falling" section at the end of Me and the Major which to me is more reminiscent of Paul Simon than anyone else. Of course, when you discuss artists that began recording in the mid sixties, like Bob Dylan, the Beatles, and Paul Simon, their influences are so ingrained in every thing we listen to that it does become a bit blurry. Sorry to go on and on but the timing of this post coinciding with what I was listening to spurred me on. matrix ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a9653157 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 10:58:00 1997 From: a9653157 at xxx.uk (S.A. Clarke A9653157) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 10:58:00 bst Subject: Sinister: Yep, it's another bloody top ten... Message-ID: <344E2F95@hermes.hud.ac.uk> Here's my current faves, minus Tigermilk (boo hoo). 1. Seeing Other People 2. Lazy Line-Painter Jane 3. The State I am In 4. Get me away from here, I'm dying 5. String Bean Jean 6. Belle and Sebastian 7. La Pastie de la Bourgeoisie 8. Photo Jenny 9. Beautiful 10. Stars of Track and Field (they are indeed beautiful people) Much love, Steve ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cleonard at xxx.COM Wed Oct 22 13:48:44 1997 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:48:44 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Those B&S moments Message-ID: I like this game. I say the hign note in "You made me forget my dreams" - "There was blood on the sheets again". And when the trumpet and drums kick in on "Judy......" That is all >---------- >From: Honey[SMTP:psm at xxx.net] >Sent: 22 October 1997 13:01 >To: sinister at majordomo.net >Subject: Sinister: Those B&S moments > >On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Charlotte Hall wrote: > >> Never mind this top 10 songs thing (agog though I am to hear the >> "winner"), perhaps we should also vote for top B&S moments. Here are >> five of mine: > >Good one, Charlotte! Much prefer this to a top 10: how about... > >The intentional unintentional intentional wobbly school recorders in >"Judy"? > >"When the music STOPS" (and we skip a heartbeat) in Dylan In The Movies > >Paul > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From woodpj at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 18:59:05 1997 From: woodpj at xxx.uk (Nick Morton) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:59:05 +0000 Subject: Sinister: re: B&S interview on Radio one. Message-ID: <13A05CA3B2D@novell2.bham.ac.uk> >.thinking about it, the first couple of eps were both >reviewed extensively on teletext but the current one hasn't >been. the first two were both mentioned in 'the face' too. >could this all be down to the confusion over release dates? Ah, but they were favourably reviewed on C4 Teletext (p.480+), which (a) is a much better service and (b) has much better taste, no? Nick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rewb2 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 18:35:13 1997 From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (R.E.W. Butler) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:35:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: B&S moments... In-Reply-To: <44E57E80.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> Message-ID: > > Never mind this top 10 songs thing (agog though I am to hear the > "winner"), perhaps we should also vote for top B&S moments. Here are > five of mine: > > For me it has to be the bit in Stars of Track and Field when he starts singing the verse high... 'to get her round the track, but when she's on her back...' with that gorgeous guitar sound accompanying... Also the end of 'you made me forget my dreams' - how cool is that? Rob xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 96a10193 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 19:30:30 1997 From: 96a10193 at xxx.uk (KATHLEEN MARY ANDERSON) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:30:30 GMT Subject: Sinister: promotional ideas Message-ID: say we wanted to see b & s on totp or this morning or or mastermind or countryfile or whatever, everyone on this list could send nicely typed letters to whoever was in charge of the show like the one below: dear < name of bigwig>, Belle and Sebastian are the tops, aren't they? Looking forward to seeing them on your show soon. Best Regards, but then again, one might get into trouble. other promotional ideas: b & s could make a video of themselves and send it to bbc 2 's video nation "programme". the picture discs was a good idea i thought. simple, a forgotten notion. in my old flat we had a projector poking outta the window to advertise a dodgy manchester club nite and that has given me the (shite) idea that everybody on this dedicated list could "borrow" a slide projector and then make up slides of either this 'ere new ep's cover or their own b & s related images being nice and artistic , i've got a nice photo of me in a " i broke my heart listening to belle and the boy" t shirt, and then all around the country (indEED, THE WORLD) walls and roads could be lit up with abstract rubbish that 98% of the population (is that a good stat.? or less?) wouldn't understand and ... oooohhhhhhhhhhhhh... get me away from here, i'm dying. (hey! that's given me another idea! we could do a mass b & s suicide pact to promote the new ep .... doh......) t'other kate, feeling mucho stupid this pm. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mavgc at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 18:45:05 1997 From: mavgc at xxx.uk (Mr J J Sansom) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:45:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Top 10 In-Reply-To: <344DB439.48F6@meto.gov.uk> Message-ID: OK here's my top ten(excluding Tigermilk),though it'll probably change by tomorrow 1 Judy and the dream of horses 2 The state I am in 3 like Dylan in the movies 4 Get me away from here I'm dying 5 you made me forget my dreams 6 fox in the snow 7 string bean Jean 8 the stars of track and field 9 beautiful 10 seeing other people Joe ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Simon.Girvan at xxx.net Wed Oct 22 19:05:39 1997 From: Simon.Girvan at xxx.net (Simon Girvan) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:05:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: B&S In Dublin Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19971022190432.24c75a8c@mail.virgin.net> I have just got back from a week in Dublin (I think I can still tastes the Guinness) and we spent a not inconsiderable time checking out all the record shops, and I didn't see one copy of 3,6,9... I had to wait until I got home to Cheltenham. I think they mustn't have released it there. I did manage to pick up a copy of The Corr's new album on the day of release (Friday, for some reason) there though. I thought I had got it weeks before the UK release, but in fact it was only 3 days early. Never Mind - I did get a telecom eireann phone card that I can't use over here free with it, so that obviously makes it all right. Simon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 19:11:34 1997 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:11:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S Moments In-Reply-To: <44E57E80.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:32:20 -0700, Charlotte.Hall at smlawpub.co.uk (Charlotte Hall) said: << perhaps we should also vote for top B&S moments. >> "Me & The Major" - the pause/drums after "Roxy Music in '72". "Mayfly" - when it starts up again, after seemingly ending. "Sleep The Clock Around" - when the music stops and leaves the vocals going, and then starts again (with a vengeance!). All mine seem to be about stopping/starting - how dynamic of me! 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Wed Oct 22 19:27:48 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Those B&S moments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Charlotte Hall wrote: > > > Never mind this top 10 songs thing (agog though I am to hear the > > "winner"), perhaps we should also vote for top B&S moments. Here are > > five of mine: a) When Stuart's voice cracks on "impressed" in State I Am In b) That change to a high note on the last word of the line "There was blood on the sheets a-gain" in You Make Me Forget Me Dreams b2) Same thing when he kicks into the chorus for Judy and the Dream of Hoa-oa-oa-oa-orses c) The haunting reprise at the end of Beautiful d) "Seven to Eight years old" Well, that's pretty small... thank yew francisco ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 22 18:12:34 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:12:34 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Seymour Spain References: <344DF061.6127@aom.ericsson.se> Message-ID: <344E3402.CC6B94A2@colon.net.> Micheál O'Dwyer wrote: > So who sang on the radio session version? And are there > any other > recorded tracks featuring different lead vocalists > (besides Century of > Elvis)? And does anybody know the song that Isobel sang in > Barcelona? > And does anybody from Spain know if the cameras present > meant that the > gig was going to be broadcast on TV at a future date? > It was Catalan telly, so if it is shown it'll probably only be on there, or on the other autonomous channels, which should be good. B&S in Basque. Somehow I doubt it. I think they film anything and everything and maybe stick a bit of it on the local news if they're short of proper news. National radio were covering the festival, but as far as I know they didn't broadcast any of the B&S performance. Not much of an answer, I'm afraid. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 22 15:35:06 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:35:06 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Pro-Celebrity Rolf References: <49E94724920@NPRDCF1S.CF.AC.UK> Message-ID: <344E0F1A.E1E39E9@colon.net.> Rhys Williams wrote: > Has anybody heard Rolf's new album ("Can You Tell What > It Is > Yet?")? It's full of covers of recent pop songs. I fancy > buying it, > cos Rolf is a true star. So, then, which B &S song should > Rolf do a > cover of, and why? > > Rhys > What a dangerous question you've asked, Rhys. I have successfully resisted the temptation to formulate a top ten, but this is too much. I think Belle and Sebastian should do a cover of "This Great Big Wolfhound Standing Staring at Me, Licking His Chops and Weighing Me Up For Tea" with Isobel castigating Stuart at the end for frightening the dog, "Now what did you want to go and do that for, you big lummox? He's only a wee puppy, you know!" "I've Lost my Mummy" would be quite appropriate as well, if only to dispell the notion that Belle and Sebastian are fey and twee. As for Rolf covering B&S, I would vote for "Fox in the Snow", so that Rolf could showcase his no doubt excellent impersonation of a fox snuffling around in the snow looking for his dinner. Incidentally, the great man will be appearing inn the intimate surroundings of The Garage in Glasgow on November 15th. So Glasgow residents will be able to shout out requests for their favourite Belle and Sebastian songs. I think it'll probably be a good night out, all postmodern irony aside. After all, Rolf has been at it a few years, so he ought to be good by now. Nice voice too. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 22 18:13:48 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:13:48 +0200 Subject: Sinister: LET'S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT References: Message-ID: <344E344C.BC8312F3@colon.net.> J.E.Higgott wrote: > A Pastie is associated with Cornish miners. It > is very > much a working class snack. Au contraire! If my memory of "Go With Noakes" is correct, the Cornish Pastie was originally not a mere snack, but rather a full and nourishing meal for the tin miners to eat while they were down the shaft, undoubtedly sharing it with the faithful pit ponies that never saw the light of day except when they retired. At one end of the pastie was a delicious savoury filling, while the other end harboured an irresistable dollop of strawberry jam. So that the miners didn't make the mistake of eating their pud first, their wives put a pastry letter on each end for identification purposes. Seeing as it was a letter made of pastry, the miners could tell which end to bite into first even if their miners' lamp had gone out due to a sudden gust of subterranean wind. I think the song lyric is just a bit of messing about. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 22 16:35:53 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:35:53 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Promo ideas References: <44E50C60.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> Message-ID: <344E1D58.A425ED38@colon.net.> Charlotte Hall wrote: > It needs to be something quirky and something which > would be anathema > to "the starmaker machinery behind the popular song". > I bought a BMX > bandits record once (shhh!) which had a little > cartoon strip inside > and someone had handwritten in pen on my copy "I love > you very very > much". I liked the personal element of this. I guess > BMX Bandits sold > a lot less records than B&S are going to be selling > ... maybe it would > be wholly impractical! > I've got a Peel Sessions EP or LP by Stereolab, PJ Harvey and The Faith Healers. It has got a hand painted squiggle on it by one of the band members. One day I'm going to take it to an art expert so that they can confirm my suspicion that I've got a Faith Healers' bassist one. > Here are some other ideas. > > 1. Bring back seventies car stickers! ELO did it, why > not B&S? There > should be a B&S sticker in the back of every car in > the kingdom. > I was frittering away time looking at old copies of "Terrapin" the Syd Barrett Appreciation Society. They discuss the possibilty of merchandise, but decide it's too expensive to mass produce anything. and I quote... "If you are good with a sewing machine (girls) see if you can run up a few cloth patches with "Syd Barrett Appreciation Society" or just "Syd Barrett" would do. Please try. Thanks" What a great idea! If all the girls rustled up a few cloth patches, Jeepster could stick one in every record and then some other girls could sew them on their boyfriends' denim jackets. OK, I accept that this idea could be conceived as a bit old fashioned. Perhaps we should go for iron-on patches instead. > 2. Willy Wonka style "Golden CDs", 500 of which > (e.g.) have a ticket > inside entitling the holder to a trip to, er, the > Grosvenor Cafe... > I don't like the Grosvenor. The miserable bastard owner once told me off (very loudly) for eating a Mars Bar at the table, and I wasn't even eating a Mars Bar at the table. Most humiliating. I'm boycotting the bloody Grosvenor. > 5. Lifetime membership of Rolf Harris fan club. > It's very expensive! Details at:http://www.enterprise.net/rolfharris/home1.htm If that's wrong, try changing the "1". It might be an "l". > 7. That's all. By the way, one of the blokes from The Incredible String Band has got a new album out called "Dream Journals 1966-76". Robin Williamson. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 18:21:52 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:21:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: top10 References: <344DA360.6C7B@nothingbutnet.net> <344DA51C.2914@nothingbutnet.net> Message-ID: <344E3630.3FD95CD5@mail.zynet.co.uk> > Just kidding. Don't mean to be a jerk but I > think it's sort of cheesy > to name unrealesed songs in your top 10. It's > certainly your decision > but what's the point? Other than to let other > people know that you have > them and they don't. I have a tape with > unreleased tracks too but that > doesn't mean I'm a bigger fan it just makes me > lucky. totally agreed on the last point, but i still don't mind people including the unreleased tracks simply because it's honest.... i dunno, maybe it's impossible to make distinction between liking the song and mentioning it because you have it and not many others do, because that idea of 'exclusivity' is part of the Pop Experience. Whatever, i do love 'Lonliness...' and i can't stop it from going through my head all day long, so when someone asks me what my fave B&S songs are, well i'd be lying if i didn't include it, yes/no? the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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(it was a fast one...) the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 18:24:57 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:24:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: top10 References: <01BCDED5.BF485440@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <344E36E9.4AB7639D@mail.zynet.co.uk> > [Keith Watson] > Ha ha - agreed... I can't really see any other > reason that "Pocketbook Angel" would be in > anyone's top ten. you mean, aside from the fact that i happen to really like it at the moment? the choice might change in a month, but hey... And d'you know if 'Hurley...' and 'London...' are from the same Stow College session? the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Wed Oct 22 20:19:27 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:19:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: promotional ideas References: Message-ID: <344E51BF.7122F19E@mcmail.com> > b & s could make a video of themselves and send it to bbc 2 's video > nation "programme". FANTASTIC idea!!! How do you get on that thing anyway? I've always wanted to do it... :) > (shite) idea that everybody on this dedicated list could "borrow" a > slide projector another fantastic idea but a little impractical i fear... > (hey! that's given me another idea! we could do a mass b & s > suicide pact to promote the new ep .... doh......) I'm up for it... *sigh* Love Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 20:30:21 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:30:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: promotional ideas References: <344E51BF.7122F19E@mcmail.com> Message-ID: <344E544D.639C11B9@mail.zynet.co.uk> > > (shite) idea that everybody on this dedicated > list could "borrow" a > > slide projector > > another fantastic idea but a little impractical > i fear... impractical my erse! just 'borrow' one from your friendly media studies department :-) I'm going to do a series of belle lettres slides for our Living Room! > > (hey! that's given me another idea! we could > do a mass b & s > > suicide pact to promote the new ep .... > doh......) > > I'm up for it... > *sigh* just say no kids! Choose Life! Or at least kill everyone who makes yours shite. duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aadam at xxx.com Wed Oct 22 21:22:15 1997 From: aadam at xxx.com (Aadam ) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:22:15 -0500 Subject: Sinister: pastie References: Message-ID: <344E6077.4E9A@interaccess.com> Have any other Americans seen the Amex commercial Jerry Seinfeld is doing where he is in England? You'll note the use of the word "pastie" within. The clerk seems to be referring to a pastry or some baked good. That is, if my memory is serving me... AJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From PMA97CW at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 21:32:18 1997 From: PMA97CW at xxx.uk (Chris Worth) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:32:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: manchester gig(s) Message-ID: <981C432763@derwent.shef.ac.uk> Does anyone know, perchance, what venue B&S will be playing in Manchester, or is that unconfirmed as yet as well? Call me extremely ignorant, but are all B&S shows seated affairs, or have they done any standing - only shows?? Just wondering... C h r i s . ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From KELSO at xxx.com Wed Oct 22 21:55:39 1997 From: KELSO at xxx.com (Kelso) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:55:39 -0400 Subject: Sinister: sitting or standing Message-ID: the New York shows were standing...except for the Sessiona at 54th videotaping. --kelso ============================================ "Still I always imagined the world infinitely more glittering." --Frederick Exley-- from "A Fan's Notes" ============================================ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Thu Oct 23 00:55:22 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: pastie In-Reply-To: <344E6077.4E9A@interaccess.com> Message-ID: Aadam wrote: > Have any other Americans seen the Amex commercial Jerry Seinfeld is > doing where he is in England? > You'll note the use of the word "pastie" within. > The clerk seems to be referring to a pastry or some baked good. I was just about to make a comment on this, but I wasn't sure if I had misheard it since La Pastie (the song) runs through my head every now and then. But yes, I do believe the person--dressed like a baker--asks Seinfeld if he wants a "pastie". Perhaps a secret B+S fan infiltrating the world of commercials? Some secret message only for those in the know? hrrm francisco ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sinister at xxx.net Thu Oct 23 06:35:39 1997 From: owner-sinister at xxx.net (owner-sinister at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:35:39 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199710230535.GAA13708@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> From MWaggner at xxx.com Thu Oct 23 06:35:59 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: top10 Message-ID: <971023013553_-124303793@mrin44.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-22 15:09:41 EDT, you write: << because that idea of 'exclusivity' is part of the Pop Experience. >> You mean "Pop" doesn't derive from "popular" -- with the connotation of accessibilty, rather than exclusivity? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 07:37:43 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:37:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Exclusive Pop References: <971023013553_-124303793@mrin44.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <344EF0B7.19B71A00@mail.zynet.co.uk> MWaggner at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-10-22 15:09:41 EDT, you > write: > > << because that idea of 'exclusivity' > is part of the Pop Experience. >> > > You mean "Pop" doesn't derive from "popular" -- > with the connotation of > accessibilty, rather than exclusivity? yeah, i like to think that Pop is a totally individual term and has no derivations... although it clearly does have a history linguistically as well as culturally. i like Richard Hamilton's definition actually... and therein lies one of the greatest things about Pop: its contradictions!! So whilst Hamilton might say that amongst the requirements for Pop is for it to be mass produced and accessable, it's also true that the very idea of exclusivity within this context (belle & sebastian's music is mass produced and accessable, the 'rare' unreleased material is exclusive) serves to heighten the experience. It IS to do with feeling 'Special', and you can't deny that's a Pop Emotion, surely? I'm also amused by the fact that Pop Art took images of everyday recognition and made one-offs from them. HArdly mass produced! Hardly 'popular' in the sense that everyone had access to the works? tra la. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sinister at xxx.net Thu Oct 23 08:36:42 1997 From: owner-sinister at xxx.net (owner-sinister at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:36:42 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199710230736.IAA13946@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> From owner-sinister at xxx.net Thu Oct 23 08:59:22 1997 From: owner-sinister at xxx.net (owner-sinister at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:59:22 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199710230759.IAA14022@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> From psm at xxx.net Thu Oct 23 09:22:45 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:22:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Blank emails Message-ID: Apologies for the number of blank emails appearing today - I'm working on it. Suspect it was a full disk. Also, I am becoming more cavalier about removing people from the list whose messages bounce - I'm just getting too many of these to handle. These people go on a separate list which tries to remail them when their mail wakes up and tell them how to get back on. It's usually the result of someone leaving an address without unsubscribing - please try to remember. Occasionally it's due to a mail misconfiguration at your provider (harrumph). This list's really growing just now: 309 people! The approx split by country can be seen from a link on the WWW page below. Finally to all I haven't mailed who have mailed me - including Peter "Rolf" Miller - I will! Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 09:33:12 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:33:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S Moments Message-ID: <01BCDF96.CCC80400@RAINBOW> "Me & The Major" - the pause/drums after "Roxy Music in '72". [Keith Watson] Christ - I always assumed this was just "Lots of music in '72" - I suppose it could conceivably be Roxy Music, given that their first LP came out then... Oh... I suppose I should check the lyrics on the sleeve. "Mayfly" - when it starts up again, after seemingly ending. "Sleep The Clock Around" - when the music stops and leaves the vocals going, and then starts again (with a vengeance!). [Keith Watson] Yes - that's a cracking bit, agreed. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From John.Johnston at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 09:48:05 1997 From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:48:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: promotion notion Message-ID: I think Charlotte's experience of getting a message in her BMX Bandits record is something we could expand on to promote the new B&S offering. I used to do a comedy show at Uni where we handed out free compliments to the audience when they bought a ticket. We could stick little compliments on pieces of paper in the CD cases/record sleeve and it would be a lovely little something for the unsuspecting record buyer. Something pretty. An act of random kindness. And we can say pass on this compliment to someone who needs it. Soon this would develop a momentum of its own and as it became the "in" thing for the modern hipster, the media would gain interest and this would raise the profile of our heros! And hopefully shift a shed load of units. Anybody who's in desperate need of a compliment can get one from my website http://www.zigazigah.mcmail.com - just press the compliment button. xx john ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mark at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 09:30:23 1997 From: mark at xxx.uk (mark williams) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:30:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: manchester gig(s) References: <981C432763@derwent.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: <344F0B1F.807690F2@iisc.co.uk> Chris Worth wrote: > Call me extremely ignorant, but are all B&S shows seated affairs, or > have they done any standing - only shows?? been to one of each! union chapel - seated, colchester arts centre - standing. no rules! cheers... .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. `$' # # 'I privately say to you, old friend, please accept from me this _#_ unpretentious bouquet of early-blooming parentheses: (((())))' ( # ) / O \ Lophophora williamsii ( --- ) mark at iisc.co.uk `---' ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katrina at xxx.net> Thu Oct 23 10:49:48 1997 From: Katrina at xxx.net> (Katrina at xxx.net>) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:49:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Pro-Celebrity Rolf References: <49E94724920@NPRDCF1S.CF.AC.UK> <344E0F1A.E1E39E9@colon.net.> Message-ID: <344F1DBC.2591@virgin.net> P. Miller / A. Ubieta wrote: > As for Rolf covering B&S, I would vote for "Fox in the > Snow", so that Rolf could showcase his no doubt excellent > impersonation of a fox snuffling around in the snow looking > for his dinner. He's probably change it to "Dingo in the red dust" or something like that tho'! > Incidentally, the great man will be appearing inn the intimate > surroundings of The Garage in Glasgow on November 15th. So Glasgow > residents will be able to shout out requests for their favourite Belle > and Sebastian songs. I think it'll probably be a good night out, all > postmodern irony aside. After all, Rolf has been at it a few years, so > he ought to be good by now. Nice voice too. > > Peter Hmmm... maybe this is an idea for my lovely birthday suprise ... hey, David ... TAKE NOTE! Cheers, Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katrina at xxx.net> Thu Oct 23 10:49:52 1997 From: Katrina at xxx.net> (Katrina at xxx.net>) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:49:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: LET'S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT References: Message-ID: <344F1DC0.242@virgin.net> G R Thomas wrote: > OK, before I even start. That's 3 incorrect entries already, and as > > for > the latest one, obviously didn't read the book well enough. THE > BOURGOISIE IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT!!! THE MIDDLE CLASS. THE BOURGOISIE IS > THE UPPER, RULING OR OWNING CLASS. IN MARXIST > POLITICS/ECONOMICCS/SOCIOLOGY, THERE ARE 2(TWO) CLASSES-THE > > PROLETARIAT > (THE WORKERS) AND THE BOURGOISIE-(THE OWNERS OF THE > COMPANIES/INDUSTRIES THAT THE PROLETARIAT WORK IN), AND NO, I REPEAT > > NO > MIDDLE CLASS. THE BOURGOISIE ARE NOT THE MIDDLE CLASS, THEY ARE THE > OWNING OR UPPER CLASS. > love, > > GIDEON THOMAS > (a name new to the list, but not to B+S) Ok, fair enough, there's no need to shout! However, the "textbook" definition doesn't always necessarily apply to artistes does it? Well, what I mean is, Stuart is allowed to interpret such words into his own meaning (and language obviously :|), as I distinctively remember when he and Isobel were staying at ours, and we first heard "Pastie" and asked him what the title meant, he said " it's something like the apathy of the middle-class". He said it! PROMISE! Let's not be angry anymore ... please? Cheers, Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katrina at xxx.net> Thu Oct 23 10:49:45 1997 From: Katrina at xxx.net> (Katrina at xxx.net>) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:49:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: do something pretty while you can References: <344E19CC.7AFD06FA@mcmail.com> Message-ID: <344F1DB9.64C0@virgin.net> Kate Dornan wrote: > Right! So who's [thinking of] going? It'd be great to have a decent > sized list meet up... get in touch you 'orrible lot. Or suffer a > terrible fate (I haven't thought of it yet, but I have a warped > imagination!) > > Love > Kate xxx > (feeling a bit manic...must be the caffeine) David & I may try to get a fanclub thingy organised ... but if you'd prefer the mailing list one to be separate (you snobs! ...just joking:) ) Any ideas of cool cafes near the TOWN HALL at all Kate? Cheers, Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Oct 23 10:50:53 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:50:53 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Those lazy, hazy, crazy B&S moments Message-ID: <344F1DFD.DFC6CE0A@colon.net.> Here's my personal top twenty unforgettable Belle and Sebastian things: 1: on the rag/sleeping bag 2: my dad looks like elvis, etc... 3: that bit when George Michael goes "Ladies and gentlemen....mister Elton John!" 4: free tea on the National Express 5: the mother of all forward slanting pudding basin haircuts 6: Anders, Anders, Anders and Anders stuck in a train on the Forth bridge 7: Sarah's unfortunate experience with the Stylophone 8: Seeing the bloke in the local record shop scratching his head over the little story inside IYFS 9: Hearing my girlfriend/wife/whatever singing "Judy..." without realizing it. 10: The "is that your dog then?" comment 11: The expression "oddball popsters" 12: The Jonesy/waiter incident in the little ink movie. 13: Somebody's tin of sweetcorn when it was raining. 14: Keith writing messages when he's pissed 15: Seeing the cover of the new EP for the first time 16: Getting to number 41 in the charts 17: Stuart M forgetting the words all the time 18: Stuart M asking for the lights to be turned on so he could see the crowd in Barcelona. Absolutely no response whatsoever. Looked a right plonker. 19: Richard's drum solo in said concert. 20: Hearing John Peel play "...Fakers" on his World Service programme and follow it up with some "techno rubbish" and there's more..... Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From hiv95352 at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 11:24:15 1997 From: hiv95352 at xxx.uk (Caz) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:24:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: top tens Message-ID: <344F25CF.243@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> Thought this was a suitable time to make a reappearance on the list, since i can't resist lists... We Rule The School She's losing it Century of elvis like dylan in the movies judy and the dream of horses seeing other people (the evening session version especially) you made me forget my dreams pocketbook angel modern rock song dog on wheels is that ten? that was harder than i thought it would be...probably too late as well. never mind. > >to name unrealesed songs in your top 10. It's certainly your decision > >but what's the point? Other than to let other people know that you have > >them and they don't. The point is, for me anyway, that, um, they're in my top ten b&s songs, and i don't see the point in leaving them out because other people don't have them... (oh, somebody else just said that...sorry, i'm a digestee...) caz ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From andrew.dean at xxx.net Thu Oct 23 11:38:32 1997 From: andrew.dean at xxx.net (andrew dean) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: tour diary Message-ID: <199710231038.GAA00504@www3.web2010.com> um, bit of a break in the tour diary today (and tomorrow) - i\'m not in the office and don\'t have email capabilities. should be back on saturday if i can be bothered to make the trip into work specially. andy __________________________________________________________ This message was generated from a form filled in by andrew dean while using the WebMail site, located at http://shuster.com/webmail. WebMail allows web users to send e-mail without an e-mail account or a mail server. The author of this e-mail (a46.gtnet.gov.uk aka andrew dean) was located at IP address 195.44.97.46. Send time was Oct 23, 1997 10:38:31, GMT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mahmed at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 11:55:02 1997 From: mahmed at xxx.uk (mahmed at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:55:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: pop promo ponderings Message-ID: <344F2D06.6764@meto.gov.uk> If you want B&S to have maximum crossover appeal and reach out to potential fans, then I suggest getting their songs onto casettes and cds given away with music magazines from time to time. That's how I discovered Teenage Fanclub and PJ Harvey through the freebie casettes from Select magazine. What do you think? You can have them on 5 track compilation called "Stars of '97" for the NME/MM/Select/Vox. Then you can reach the mature audience with a B&S song on a cd compilation for Q/Mojo sandwiched between Alanis Morrisette and John Hiatt. Don't forget the drum'n'bass "temple of boom" mix by Goldie for Musik/Mixmag. I'm not sure how to approach the heavy metal crowd. Mussadiq ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ibarrett at xxx.ie Thu Oct 23 12:16:00 1997 From: ibarrett at xxx.ie (Ian Barrett [94466815-EE]) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 11:16 GMT Subject: Sinister: re : B&s in dublin Message-ID: I'm new to this list having met the band thru uk-indie and last friday I managed to get the last copy of '3,6,9 seconds of light' in Virgin Megastore on Ashton quay , the same place I purchased the previous eps and the album. They never had a large amount of them in stock though. Sometimes I think i'm the only fan in ireland. cheers Ian Barrett ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From grthom at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 12:49:58 1997 From: grthom at xxx.uk (G R Thomas) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:49:58 +0100 (British Summer Time) Subject: Sinister: Re: LET'S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT Message-ID: OK kids, First of all, I'm really sorry if my message came across as a bit shouty or angry or nasty or whatever. This was never the intention and I'm sorry. Charlotte: you should have put that private mail on the list. Reading it put me right in my place: Everyone-yeah, I feel very humbled, as Charlotte pointed out that I did get the spelling wrong: bourgeoisie, not bourgoisie. Sorry. David, Italian, eh? I dunno. I thought it was French. Itdun'tmatter. Katrina, you're absolutely right about the textbook definition of something not necessarily applying to an artist/musician or whatever, and I do believe you when you said what Stuart said. Obviously you know more than I do, and Stuart can say and mean what he wants. If there has been a mistake anywhere along the line, I don't know where it has come, but perhaps there is a popular misconception (and please believe me when I say that this is not a criticism of anyone) in the 'right'/'proper' meaning of the term. Maybe, perhaps, erm I'm trying not to be nasty, er, erm... Anyway, whatever 'Le Pastie de la Bourgeoisie' actually means: a) we can draw our own conclusions from the song (and I also reckon that *all* the definitions and stories that have appeared on the list are going some way to getting to an explanation) and b) I love Belle and Sebastian, and so by the looks of things do quite a number of other people. Respect to each and everyone on this marvellous list. Again, I'm sorry (it was a rush of blood or summut) Love, GIDEONxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 13:20:46 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:20:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Irvine Welsh. Message-ID: <199710231220.NAA19149@brookes.ac.uk> Just heard that Belle and Sebastian have recorded a new track for the new Irvine Welsh film, based on 'The Acid House' book. Has anyone got any ideas what the track is called, and when the soundtrack album comes out ? Ben. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 13:46:17 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:46:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: promotional ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > b & s could make a video of themselves and send it to bbc 2 's video > nation "programme". > How about filming a B&S gig? With Stuart's memory for lyrics, and the, erm, interesting pauses between songs, you could get it on "You've Been Framed"... Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From AFox at xxx.com Thu Oct 23 14:25:52 1997 From: AFox at xxx.com (Andy Fox) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:25:52 -0400 Subject: Sinister: namecheck Message-ID: On Oct. 10 during the final encore song of the night, pavement played the Velvet Underground's "What goes On." During the song lead singer Malkmus changed some words and sang "bells in the air/bells in the sky/belle and sebastian/I hope you don't die." I am sure others at the show picked up the reference, I am not sure how many others it made smile. Thought someone might be interested. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmf at xxx.net Thu Oct 23 15:14:42 1997 From: jmf at xxx.net (John) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:14:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: namecheck Message-ID: <01bcdfbe$01fefe40$4a0181c2@JohnF.plc.psion.com> > >On Oct. 10 during the final encore song of the night, pavement played >the Velvet Underground's "What goes On." During the song lead singer >Malkmus changed some words and sang "bells in the air/bells in the >sky/belle and sebastian/I hope you don't die." I am sure others at >the show picked up the reference, I am not sure how many others it >made smile. > >Thought someone might be interested. smile? surely this sort of thing ought to make any full-stomached human feel a touch queasy. Sharply spotted, though. slightly off-topic, but connected by way of someone's suggestion for a promo-stunt (cover discs, to build up a fanbase of dedicated freeloaders), did anyone get the free Time Out CD earlier this year? It had a little number called Windsor Park by someone called Alfred which was fairly superb (though the rest of it was the usual pile of pants). If anyone knows who the christ alfred is, I'd be grateful. cheers. http://www.turns-anything.into.a-hyperlink.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 16:29:31 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 15:29:31 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Promo ideas Message-ID: <199710231420.PAA12279@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> P.Miller wrote: >I've got a Peel Sessions EP or LP by Stereolab, PJ Harvey >and The Faith Healers. It has got a hand painted squiggle on >it by one of the band members. One day I'm going to take it >to an art expertŠ I've got a 10"LP thingy full of strange music by the likes of The Tinklers, Daniel Johnston, Half Japanese etcŠ Anyway, it came with a small brown paper bag (practical and above all CHEAP) which has a silkscreened illustration thingy on the outside. Inside is a collection of small printed cards like those that wee kids use to learn their ABC, except the featured letter on a card is the first letter of the name of one of the bands. The reverse has information about the band. B&S could adapt this sort of idea making really nice cards - they won't have to be full colour or anything - and could have info on each band member (mind you that would burst the bag!) or just things that they think are cool (or anything at all, come to think of it). The outside of the bag could have another cool picture on it. You could even have a bag that could fit in with a CD. How about a Belle & Sebastian 10" - I like 10" singles :-). I don't think Picture discs are such a good idea as sound quality generally suffers. Coloured vinyl is better, glittery bits etc. even more so. Byee! Paul "Go to work on an Egg" - The Egg Marketing Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Thu Oct 23 15:16:29 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:16:29 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Pastie Message-ID: <01BCDF9C.BBEE9A80@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> I am so friggin' annoyed with this Pastie thing. Pastie is not a word in the French language. It just simply does not exist. Even a French lad posted to the list guaranteeing this. People have suggested that it means apathy. It does not! It simply does not. Apathy in French is your standard cognate, apathie. So the apathy in French is l'apathie. Now, for somebody with a lisp and who does not know their differences between their genders, this could sound like, l'apathie (even though the stresses are a bit off). BTW, bourgeoisie absolutely means middle class albeit upper middle class. It was the class in the French revolution who were not part of the nobility per se, but who made money through business practices. I believe in French, however, it's spelled bourgeousie (although I don't have my dictionary in front of me). Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Angelina.DeGiovanni at xxx.com Thu Oct 23 15:20:20 1997 From: Angelina.DeGiovanni at xxx.com (Angelina.DeGiovanni at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:20:20 -0400 Subject: Sinister: namecheck Message-ID: <85256539.004DF595.00@v2music.com> Pavement also played the VU's "What Goes On" as an encore in Louisville, KY this May, and then B&S played it as the encore to their first New York City show in September, where Mark Ibold was in attendance! (Embedded image moved AFox @ rdmlaw.com to file: 10/23/97 09:25 AM PIC32343.PCX) Please respond to AFox at rdmlaw.com To: sinister at majordomo.net cc: (bcc: Angelina DeGiovanni/New_York/V2 Music) Subject: Sinister: namecheck On Oct. 10 during the final encore song of the night, pavement played the Velvet Underground's "What goes On." During the song lead singer Malkmus changed some words and sang "bells in the air/bells in the sky/belle and sebastian/I hope you don't die." I am sure others at the show picked up the reference, I am not sure how many others it made smile. Thought someone might be interested. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . 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This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Thu Oct 23 17:11:40 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:11:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Daniel Johnston Message-ID: <01BCDFD6.BB239D00@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Paul Laird wrote: >I've got a 10"LP thingy full of strange music by the likes of The Tinklers, Daniel Johnston, Half Japanese etc I'm jealous! Are you a Daniel Johnston fan? Are there any other Daniel Johnston fans out there? (I'm a big one, by the way...or so I've been told). Not particularly "on-topic", but the man is a brilliant song-writer, and possibly the quintessential "tortured genius". I think Belle & Sebastian should cover one of his songs - god knows which one, 'cause there's literally hundreds to choose from, all quite wonderful. For those that aren't familiar with him, he's released......ooh.....I don't know really...... I must have 12 or 13 of his albums, and that's by no means the lot. Not even sure if he's still recording. Last I heard he'd been "institutionalised" (in a mental hospital) for the umpteenth time (he wanted to be as big as his idol, John Lennon, but couldn't hack the success (or lack of it?), and has spent much of his adult life in hospital). Many myths surround Daniel Johnston: once he was alledged to have pushed a woman out of a 2nd floor (?) window 'cause he thought she was possed by the devil. I was advised never to walk in front of him down a flight of stairs! I'm not however proposing madness as a promotional vehicle for Belle & Sebastian! I think the band would be better advised to get friendly with a soo-to-be-deceased member of the royal family. Didn't do Elton any harm. I'd say the Queen Mother was a good bet. Nigel xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MothrHn at xxx.com Thu Oct 23 15:43:38 1997 From: MothrHn at xxx.com (MothrHn at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: anything B&S Message-ID: <971023104221_-1159272039@emout03.mail.aol.com> My daughter turned me onto Belle and Sebastian with a much removed copy of Tigermilk which has now died. I am trying to find anyplace from which I can order anything B&S. I am looking for cassettes, cds, shirts, etc. Does anyone know of any mailorder or online places? Thanks for your HELP! Pattie ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Thu Oct 23 17:46:06 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:46:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Pastie Message-ID: <01BCDFDB.8B789A60@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Matthew wrote: >BTW, bourgeoisie absolutely means middle class albeit upper middle class. It was the class in the French revolution who were not part of the nobility per se, but who made money through business practices A marxist writes... Yes. The bourgeoisie in marxist thinking is NOT the ruling classes, they are a product of the dialectical cycle, created by the oppression of the upper classes. Marxtastically speaking it is the bourgeoisie who rise up and bring down the upper classes, for a short time, until the proletariat take over. Let me hear ya say YEAH! Legin xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 96a10193 at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 17:45:50 1997 From: 96a10193 at xxx.uk (KATHLEEN MARY ANDERSON) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:45:50 GMT Subject: Sinister: promotional ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > > How about filming a B&S gig? With Stuart's memory for lyrics, and the, > erm, interesting pauses between songs, you could get it on "You've Been > Framed"... > i'm sure it could be arranged for somebody to fall over at a comedy "moment"... ( so long as no real harm was done, of course) 'tother kate ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacques.buron at xxx.fr Thu Oct 23 20:42:55 1997 From: jacques.buron at xxx.fr (Walter) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:42:55 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Pastie References: <01BCDF9C.BBEE9A80@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Message-ID: <344FA8BF.470E@smtp.wanadoo.fr> grrrrrr.......... If Stuart thinks La Pastie means apathy, who cares? Anyway, Matthew is right : the word does not exist in french!!! (once again) And the meaning of "bourgeoisie" (this is the right spelling, Matthew!) depends on the period you're talking about : la bourgeoisie during the french revolution is different from the bourgeoisie in Marx's Capital, which is different from our bourgeoisie. In my opinion, B&S don't refer to the XIXth century, do they??? Just have a look at the Harrap's dictionnary (simpler to read than Marx...) : " bourgeoisie n.f. coll. 2. the middle class(es)" That's all Walter -- " Get me away from here, I'm dying..." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 19:01:09 1997 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:01:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Daniel Johnston In-Reply-To: <01BCDFD6.BB239D00@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:11:40 +0100, Nigel Turner said: << I'm jealous! Are you a Daniel Johnston fan? Are there any other Daniel Johnston fans out there? (I'm a big one, by the way...or so I've been told). Not particularly "on-topic", but the man is a brilliant song-writer, and possibly the quintessential "tortured genius". I think Belle & Sebastian should cover one of his songs - god knows which one, 'cause there's literally hundreds to choose from, all quite wonderful. >> Another big DJ fan here...I vote B&S should do "A Lonely Song". Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics/Bacchanalian Revel homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Oct 23 18:57:04 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (P. Miller / A. Ubieta) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:57:04 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Irvine Welsh. References: <199710231220.NAA19149@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: <344F8FF0.D46F7B@colon.net.> ben ferneyhough wrote: > Just heard that Belle and Sebastian have recorded a new > track for the new > Irvine Welsh film, based on 'The Acid House' book. Has > anyone got any ideas > what the track is called, and when the soundtrack album > comes out ? > Ben. > I seem to remember seeing it referred to somewhere as just "The Acid House Song", a disappointingly misleading title. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 16:07:36 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:07:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Pastie Message-ID: <01BCDFCD.C7BF3D20@rainbow.qss.co.uk> -----Original Message----- From: Matthew A. Neimark [SMTP:mattn at xxx.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 1997 3:16 PM To: 'sinister at majordomo.net' Subject: Sinister: Pastie I am so friggin' annoyed with this Pastie thing. [Keith Watson] Does anyone know what "Pour allez a la gare s'il vois-plait?" means then. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 19:39:31 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:39:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Irvine Welsh. References: <199710231220.NAA19149@brookes.ac.uk> <344F8FF0.D46F7B@colon.net.> Message-ID: <344F99E3.35A8CAFA@mail.zynet.co.uk> > I seem to remember seeing it referred to > somewhere as just > "The Acid House Song", a disappointingly > misleading title. not 'alf as misleading as those rascals Biff Bang Pow! calling their compilation 'the Acid House Album'. And then spray painting the sleeves... cheers, the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 21:06:03 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 20:06:03 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Daniel Johnston Message-ID: <199710231856.TAA08564@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> >I'm jealous! Are you a Daniel Johnston fan? Are there any other Daniel >Johnston fans out there? (I'm a big one, by the way...or so I've been >told). Not particularly "on-topic", but the man is a brilliant >song-writer, and possibly the quintessential "tortured genius". 'fraid not. I've probably only got a couple of singles (including the brilliant 'Speeding Motorcycle' which The Pastels later covered). I was always more of a Half Japanese fan, particularly when Don Fleming (Axe God and Sonic Youth collaborator) was in the band. Everybody should own a copy of their classic 'Charmed Life' LP. Mind you they also released quite a lot of experimental (i.e. unlistenable) stuff. I believe Jad Fair (Half Japanese mainman) did some collaborative recordings with Daniel, but I don't think I've got any. Earlier today I wrote (as part of a promo idea): >B&S could adapt this sort of idea making really nice cards - they >won't have to be full colour or anything - and could have info on >each band member (mind you that would burst the bag!) or just things >that they think are cool (or anything at all, come to think of it). >The outside of the bag could have another cool picture on it. alternatively, the 'B&S promo brown paper bag' could contain short ink polaroids (should confuse the uninitiated!) or even better - real polaroids! (could be very, very expensive though). Byee! Paul "Go to work on an Egg" - The Egg Marketing Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Yummycats at xxx.com Thu Oct 23 20:13:19 1997 From: Yummycats at xxx.com (Yummycats at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: LET'S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT Message-ID: <971023151252_1533669349@emout04.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-22 10:05:04 EDT, EGB97JEH at sheffield.ac.uk writes: << Or perhaps it's a spelling error for 'La Patsy de la Bourgeoisie' Or perhaps it's just a title. >> Or perhaps they didn't do their research. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Yummycats at xxx.com Thu Oct 23 20:26:01 1997 From: Yummycats at xxx.com (Yummycats at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: Message-ID: <971023152351_2001673708@emout13.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-22 12:23:46 EDT, you write: << Of course, when you discuss artists that began recording in the mid sixties, like Bob Dylan........, >> Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed that the melody of "The State I Am In" is almost exactly the same as Dylan's "I Want You"? Especially in the chorus. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From gram at xxx.com Thu Oct 23 20:52:09 1997 From: gram at xxx.com (gram) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:52:09 -0500 Subject: Sinister: B&S Moments Message-ID: <86256539.006D75FF.00@internet-502.interliant.com> that bit in mayfly when you can hear the stylophone start buzzing before it plays. ...and we all got in the tub to save on the leccy bill, me and Joe and Phil... when Stuart kinda chokes up "she was not impressed..." and then recovers it in the newer version of State I am in. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 96a10193 at xxx.uk Thu Oct 23 23:51:57 1997 From: 96a10193 at xxx.uk (KATHLEEN MARY ANDERSON) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:51:57 GMT Subject: Sinister: wahey! edinburgh! Message-ID: it's always really nice to think of b & s being in edinburgh coz they're such a glasgow band.... so near.. yet so far... anyway, a mate of mine was down at a dingy little pub last night called legends and so were stuart m, sarah and chris. he thought isobel too but didn't know; our haircut comparisons matched but not our weight estimations ( ugh, try not to be so anal please, kakey)... um, there was a benefit gig for rape crisis with v-twin, eugenie andddd somebody else whose name i can't remember. i didn't actually know it was on (that'll learn ya to be a hermit) . anyway, i'm sure lots of people have got their own gummy little stories about when they last spied members of b & s so maybe this isn't that interesting.... but my chum matt said that stuart's hair was looking a bit disconcerted, like he'd taken the choppers to it himself. probably had. pop trivia. i love it. so it was nice to think of them all boozing away in that smoky biker inn where i used to crawl to when i lived opposite in a nasty student flat and sneeky petes (it's neighbour) was just tooooo busy. by the pool table at legends; always a good place to get your arse felt. and a great heavy metal juke box too. had a cigarette machine with the cheapest fags; mind you , that was before...... do you know, in the summer of- sorry, i almost lost myself for a moment there... more rubbish later t'other kate ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From andrewn at xxx.edu Thu Oct 23 22:54:48 1997 From: andrewn at xxx.edu (Andrew Hung Nguyen) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: pastie In-Reply-To: <344E6077.4E9A@interaccess.com> Message-ID: Yeah I do you are right I do remember hearing the clerk say that. Sorry if this reply is too old!!! Andy :-) finally some cool weather in so. CA On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Aadam wrote: > Have any other Americans seen the Amex commercial Jerry Seinfeld is > doing where he is in England? > You'll note the use of the word "pastie" within. > The clerk seems to be referring to a pastry or some baked good. > That is, if my memory is serving me... > > AJ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From andrewn at xxx.edu Fri Oct 24 00:01:49 1997 From: andrewn at xxx.edu (Andrew Hung Nguyen) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: pastie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: wow I did not realize how poorly I wrote that last reply. I guess I could blame the poor grammar on the network since it often slows down and interrupts the thought process or it is probably just me being in the lab too long... Andy :-( sorry about the unrelated stuff. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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Anyone who could create the masterpiece that is/was the Cardinal album, deserves a bit more than a half page, but I digress. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Fri Oct 24 08:44:19 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 00:44:19 PDT Subject: Sinister: eureka Message-ID: alright, everyone....and especially that one who wanted ideas of promotional stuff. i was driving in my car today and a little bubble rose above my head that said "eureka", because i know the best idea for promoting the next album. listen up: the first thousand copies come with a cd of tigermilk.....and only 1000 copies. no more. ever. that way we can get our hands on it, and it would still remain a rare collectable sort of thing. i think i deserve a nobel prize. now on to other business: i can't begin to name my favorite b&s moments. so here's some of my other favorite stuff: 1. when i wake up the morning and i go downstairs to get a cold glass of juice or milk or whatever, and i drink it and i can feel it coating my stomach because it's the first thing to go down there in a while. 2. going over a little dip in the road and you can feel your stomach rise like you're on a rollercoaster. 3. when it's raining and the sun's still shining bright. i love that. 4. when my philosophy professor gets all heated up and starts freely using the adjective "fucking". and sometimes he'll say "jesus christ" as an expression and you can see the ears melting off the holy rollers in the front of the class. there's more. but not now. i gotta pace myself. i do have one b&s question though, and i'll try to ask it delicately as possible. does the term "on the rag" mean the same thing in scotland as it does here in america? here, it's a crude term for saying a given girl is going through "that time of the month". i'm just curious for no particualr reason. oh and one more question...is stuart a very religious man? i read that thing where he went to church, and i've read a couple of other things, or is he just fascinated with the idea of religion? curious again for no particular reason. bye. brad ********************************************* that smile on your face i tried to erase that smile on your face but a kiss was not the answer a drunken kiss was not the answer (bill callahan) ********************************************* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Oct 23 21:17:10 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:17:10 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Re: References: <971023152351_2001673708@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <344FB0C6.5F0597C1@colon.net.> Yummycats at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-10-22 12:23:46 EDT, you write: > > << Of course, when you discuss > artists that began recording in the mid sixties, like Bob > Dylan........, >> > > Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed that the melody > of "The State I Am > In" is almost exactly the same as Dylan's "I Want You"? > Especially in the > chorus. Dum-di-dum-di dum Well spotted. Hope Bobby's lawyers are as sharp as Mick and Keef's. Sp where does the tune to "Put the Book Back onthe Shelf" come from? I can't quite place it, causing me endless sleepless nights. What with that and the troubled MIR space station, I'm beginning to look like Peter Cushing. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Fri Oct 24 09:48:12 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:48:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Message-ID: <01BCE061.F1C2DB60@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed that the melody of "The State I Am In" is almost exactly the same as Dylan's "I Want You"? Especially in the chorus. [Keith Watson] Right enough my flatmate pointed that out to me in the pub about a year ago - but it's really only the little bit at the end of the chorus though. Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katrina at xxx.net> Fri Oct 24 10:40:03 1997 From: Katrina at xxx.net> (Katrina at xxx.net>) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:40:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Pastie References: <01BCDF9C.BBEE9A80@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Message-ID: <34506CF3.3A2D@virgin.net> Matthew A. Neimark wrote: > > I am so friggin' annoyed with this Pastie thing. > > Pastie is not a word in the French language. It just simply does not exist. Even a French lad posted to the list guaranteeing this. People have suggested th > > BTW, bourgeoisie absolutely means middle class albeit upper middle class. It was the class in the French revolution who were not part of the nobility per se, > > Matt I thought we had managed to clear this up with the Gideon thing? Basically, all I'm trying to say, is why should the literal translation mean anything, when we all know what Stuart (who wrote the song AND the title), has proclaimed it to mean something else? I always thought that songs were for the listener to take their own meanings from, and not some textbook? I promise this is the last I have to say on this ... :) p.s. The Modern Rock Song EP is now going to be released next year ... along with the new LP and the w/wide (except UK & Eire) compilation LP, so save those pennies! 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From t.hopkins at xxx.uk Fri Oct 24 11:45:00 1997 From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:45:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: RE: eureka and tigermilk Message-ID: <199710241044.LAA18552@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> ---------- superbob said: ... because i know the best idea for promoting the next album. listen up: the first thousand copies come with a cd of tigermilk.....and only 1000 copies. no more. ever. that way we can get our hands on it, and it would still remain a rare collectable sort of thing. i think i deserve a nobel prize. And I say that I am beginning to be really irritated with the whole Tigermilk situation. Why would anyone *want* to have the thing staying unavailable? I guess superbob's point is that he's irritated that he doesn't have a copy but would be quite happy to get one and then pull the ladder up beneath him. (I might have misunderstood here). The fine efforts of Andy D (who did me my swiftly degrading tape) and such fellows is great but not enough. These songs are just so good that they deserve to go out to the people, and I know lots of B&S fans who would never dream of getting onto a list like this. How the hell are they going to hear it? Or , despite all the happiness about the chart placing, would we all be happier *really* if B&S stayed our own little secret? Is the status of Tigermilk what keeps them ours, somehow? The band say that there are too amny other things to do at the moment, but what's to stop them just letting the thing out and letting it sell itself. It undoubtedly would (IYFS seemed to tick over very happily without a great deal of ongoing promotion, by word of mouth(?)), and the money generated could be used for other things. I just don't understand it. The main point being that this is pop music and while I understand that each of us has our own obscure and unobtainable corners of pop history, it seems perverse and snobbish to artificially create this one, and it would be selfish of us to support it. 'Collectable' has nothing to do with 'pop'. The last copy of Tigermilk I saw on sale went for eighty pounds. That means that to hear the songs you either have to know someone with the LP (i.e. be in the in-crowd) or have the sort of money floating about where you can afford to splash ?80 on an LP. So... the privileged or the rich. Le Tigermilk of the bourgeoisie? Moan over. Tim H ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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Unfortunately this is a song imprinted on my mind long before B&S came into my life and I am now unable to even hum the chorus of The State I Am In without it going wrong after the first line, leaving me unable to share this fine refrain with my companions. I'll demonstrate this affliction in The Egg next week if your Belle & Sebastian "meeting" is still on? David. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MWaggner at xxx.com Fri Oct 24 13:23:56 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Exclusive Pop Message-ID: <971024082355_-1527015025@mrin40.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-23 10:02:41 EDT, you write: << it's also true that the very idea of exclusivity within this context (belle & sebastian's music is mass produced and accessable, the 'rare' unreleased material is exclusive) serves to heighten the experience. It IS to do with feeling 'Special', and you can't deny that's a Pop Emotion, surely? >> Well then, "Pasties" all around! Not to get into one of those psycho-, socio-, whatever- logical discussions -- but I respectfully disagree. While getting one's hands on something that is "rare" can heighten one's experience (or color it in a different way if the rarity is different from the main), the appreciation should be based on experiencing the rarity, not from being one of the select few to have it. It brings to mind those who would order complete leather-bound libraries in order to look cultured but, when opened, none of the books' pages had been cut -- none were ever read. I just have a problem with feeling "special" based on nothing more than other people's "non-specialness." I suppose I'm just a product of my times and Catholic upbringing :) (to borrow a face). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Fri Oct 24 13:59:30 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:59:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Promotional Ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > alright, everyone....and especially that one who wanted ideas of promotional stuff. i was driving in my car today and a little bubble rose above my head that said "eureka", because i know the best idea for promoting the next album. listen up: > the first thousand copies come with a cd of tigermilk.....and only 1000 copies. no more. ever. that way we can get our hands on it, and it would still remain a rare collectable sort of thing. i think i deserve a nobel prize. > Giving Tigermilk away sounds good, but make it more than 1000 copies. Firstly so that more people can hear it; but also, surely the whole idea of promotional things is to help get the album in the charts? 1000 copies that would propbably have sold anyway isn't going to do any good. You need enough with the free Tigermilk for some to be available to people who wouldn't have bought the album otherwise. As for promoting the EP, how about making shaped CDs? You can cut the outside of a CD off, and as long as you don't go far enough in to affect the recorded bit it doesn't affect it at all. If they were cut into, say, crosses, then you could have cross-shaped CD boxes as well. If you've got a CD case on the shelves in the stores that a normal CD quite clearly wouldn't fit into, people are bound to be curious and want to know more... Also, after the "festival" that was attempted at midsummer, how about a special event on the shortest day of the year? Free outdoor gigs in several locations (they would have to be reasonably close together - say around the South East of England, given the number of potential customers round there, and the fact that the post-Christmas gigs are in Manchester). The band would do a gig in one place, then travel to the next, and so on for all the hours of daylight. Anyone who lives nearby could just turn up on the day, and see the band for nothing; you would probably get some passers-by stopping to listen as well. And then you could have coaches travelling round so that fans could get to see all the gigs! It might get a bit cold, but it would be great publicity, especially since it would get into the bumper Christmas editions of the music press; you could even film the video for the EP during the day! Getting carried away now, Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 9607129h at xxx.uk Fri Oct 24 15:40:38 1997 From: 9607129h at xxx.uk (Neil Hargreaves) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:40:38 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Moments Message-ID: <4E685055D40@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> eh, I really like that bit on We Rule the School where someone sings California as Cal-i-forn-I-A.... and its a lovely image, driving from the west to the east coast of america ah.... thanks, neil H PS Why is everyone so angry these days rond these parts? If you are filled with rage why not visit one of the charming Manics or Smiths pages where you can RAnDOmly CapITALize your rage away. -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Fri Oct 24 15:47:50 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:47:50 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk Reissues Message-ID: <01BCE06A.49213700@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> My thoughts on reissuing Tigermilk: I don't have an LP copy of Tigermilk. I first started listening to B&S last September, and thought that the LP would eventually get imported to the US, and thus didn't bother buying it when I still might have had a chance. Although it would be nice to have the songs, I don't feel too much worse off since I have seen the artwork and story on the internet, and have a reasonably good copy of the songs (thanks Andy). If anybody read the first issue of the fanzine I do, I wrote a section on bands who don't want to reissue their prior works. (The Field Mice are probably the classic example.) There are three reasons an artist or band might not want to choose re-release: 1) They (along with a label) feel that they could make the money back. 2) They are not 100% happy with the songs. 3) They enjoy the fact the record is rare and unattainable. Probably #1 doesn't hold (although I don't think Tigermilk would sell nearly as well as the new LP). #3 is ridiculous I'm sure. #2 is probably the more obvious answer. You might feel perplexed that they weren't 100% with the album, but keep in mind that most of the songs were written when the band was beginning to get a feel for each other. They perhaps reflect a bit of immaturity (not so much in the songwriting but more in their execution). Besides, of course they'd rather concentrate on new material. Now I feel that they should feel compelled to keep available a product in demand, and they probably will eventually. That being said, if for whatever reason they decide not to keep it in print, they have nothing to complain about when the Tigermilk bootlegs start rushing in. As far as Jeepster is concerned with Tigermilk bootlegs, I can understand their desire to protect the band, but don't really feel it's any of their business considering that they don't have any rights to it (according to my impression please correct me if I'm wrong Katrina). Of course they could pay for legal fees on behalf of B&S blah blah blah although I couldn't see why it would be in anyone's interest (other than guarding an artificial "myth" factor which is an immoral interest as far as I'm concerned). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Fri Oct 24 17:12:24 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:12:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: chords from tigermilk Message-ID: <199710241513.RAA05335@mail2.isdnet.net> here is "expectations" from tigermilk...i'm working on the rest... any requests? alan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Expectations.txt Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1786 bytes Desc: Expectations (Document texte) URL: From psm at xxx.net Fri Oct 24 16:59:44 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:59:44 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: Moments In-Reply-To: <4E685055D40@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Neil Hargreaves wrote: > PS Why is everyone so angry these days rond these parts? If you are > filled with rage why not visit one of the charming Manics or Smiths > pages where you can RAnDOmly CapITALize your rage away. This is a myth. The angry Gideon offered the sweetest apology I've ever seen and goes into the Sinister Nice People Top Ten. Anyone else angry at anything other than William Hague (I mean, look at http://members.aol.com/willhague/index.htm, I arsk you, I think we should all mail him and get him on Sinister) gets a quiet non-angry note from me. We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Fri Oct 24 17:34:09 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:34:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk Reissues References: <01BCE06A.49213700@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Message-ID: <3450CE01.F9DCC71E@mail.zynet.co.uk> i like the mythical quality of tigermilk remaining unavailable (and NO i don't have a copy on vinyl either...) , because actually i disagree with tim about collectablity not being part of Pop. I think it is... so pub arguments ahoy this weekend! However... i also think that Tigermilk is a great record and deserves to be heard. Given that there's a lot of growing interest in the band, i think it should be given a 'real' airing to the public, and i suspect that despite all the comments from the band, it WILL come out, but only when they think it's in their best interests for it to happen. It's a juggling act.... keep it back long enough to keep people talking and hoping, then unleashing it when they feel at a peak of publicity, or whatever. I don;t think it will see the light of day until they get a 'charting' LP and mass interest in the press. Then i can see full page ads pushing it as the 'great lost debut by belle & sebastian' or somesuch. And that's fair enough, because that's Pop too. Of course if they leave it too long they re-issue it and no one really cares that much anymore and they only sell a couple thousand anyway. Ho hum. And if it does come out, it wont have the same artwork... at least i'm pretty sure it won't. Don't expect Tigger would want his face plastered all over the high street, do you? the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 96a10193 at xxx.uk Fri Oct 24 18:55:45 1997 From: 96a10193 at xxx.uk (KATHLEEN MARY ANDERSON) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:55:45 GMT Subject: Sinister: top 10 Message-ID: i've put off doing my top 10 for days coz i just couldn't decide which i preferred but i think we should all put them in to make the lovely averaged top 10 as averagey as possible. my fave songs: 1 seeing other people 2 lazy line painter jane 3 photo jenny 4 le pastie... 4 you're just a baby 5 mary jo 6 judy and the dream of horses 7 modern rock song 8 electronic renaissance 9 expectations 10 stars of track and field there we go. i can't believe i've just made such a list; i haven't really thought about it so the numberings probably aren't accurate, if i did think about it i think madness would be the only conclusion ( ha ha, that's a joke, as in a "you don't have to me mad here, but it helps" sort of ilk). eagerly awaiting the big fandango results, t'other kate ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Fri Oct 24 19:10:49 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:10:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk Reissues In-Reply-To: <01BCE06A.49213700@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Message-ID: > There are three reasons an artist or band might not want to choose re-release: 1) They (along with a label) feel that they could make the money back. 2) They are not 100% happy with the songs. 3) They enjoy the fact the record is rare and unattainable. How about 4) The publicity surrounding a rare record is good for the band? I know B&S are renowned for avoiding publicity in the form of photos, interviews etc., but that actually increases interest in the band; the fact that they are doing things differently by not publicising themselves as much as bands like Embrace has, ironically, given them great publicity. Similarly, it seems to me that by saying nothing about Tigermilk, and not making a fuss about re-releasing it, they have created priceless interest in the band. Whether these tactics are accidental or extremely canny I wouldn't know, but I suspect the latter. If they did ever put it out again though, I think it would be best if; a) it had a different sleeve, and b) it wasn't released on vinyl. That way the old copies would still have that exclusivity about them which some people seem to crave, and they would still be worth a packet (which I suspect may be the reason why some people don't want it reissued ;-) ). Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rewb2 at xxx.uk Fri Oct 24 19:12:11 1997 From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (R.E.W. Butler) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:12:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: top 10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, KATHLEEN MARY ANDERSON wrote: > > 1 seeing other people > 2 lazy line painter jane > 3 photo jenny > 4 le pastie... > 4 you're just a baby > 5 mary jo > 6 judy and the dream of horses > 7 modern rock song > 8 electronic renaissance > 9 expectations > 10 stars of track and field > > there we go. i can't believe i've just made such a list; i haven't > really thought about it so the numberings probably aren't accurate, Right, that explains the two number fours then... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnj at xxx.com Fri Oct 24 19:12:07 1997 From: johnj at xxx.com (J Jackson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:12:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: this is a stupid idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971024191207.00697894@mail.u-net.com> >the first thousand copies come with a cd of tigermilk.....and only 1000 copies. no more. ever. that way we can get our hands on it, and it would still remain a rare collectable sort of thing. i think i deserve a nobel prize. NO NO NO NO! There are much more than 1000 fans of Belle and Sebastian now, those of us who would want Tigermilk on CD might not get one of your 'special edition' releases...and so some of us would STILL have to pay upwards of 100 quid for the thing in a collectors shop. So, this is a STUPID idea. that's my opinion anyway JJ x ______________________________________________ You can stay all day, if you want to ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Fri Oct 24 17:37:48 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:37:48 +0200 Subject: Sinister: wahey! edinburgh! References: Message-ID: <3450CEDC.49FDEB9D@colon.net.> KATHLEEN MARY ANDERSON wrote: > anyway, a mate of mine was down at a dingy little pub last > night > called legends and so were stuart m, sarah and chris. he > thought > isobel too but didn't know; our haircut comparisons > matched but not > our weight estimations > anyway, i'm sure lots of people have got their own gummy > little > stories about when they last spied members of b & s so > maybe this > isn't that interesting.... It's very intersting. I vote for more stories along the same lines. We could have another competition - who can have the closest encounter with a Belle or a Sebastian. Keith is well out in front at the moment following his lewd groping of mystery B&S man at an intimate and elegant Edinburgh dinner party. He even has photographic proof, which we, the members of the jury, would like to see. Wouldn't we? > but my chum matt said that stuart's hair > was looking a bit disconcerted, like he'd taken the > choppers to it > himself. probably had. pop trivia. i love it. Me too. > > > so it was nice to think of them all boozing away in that > smoky biker > inn where i used to crawl to when i lived opposite in a > nasty student > flat and sneeky petes (it's neighbour) was just tooooo > busy. by the > pool table at legends; always a good place to get your > arse felt. That explains what Mister Murdoch was doing there then. Trying to get his bum pinched by a bunch of hairy guys in Uriah Heep t-shirts. > and a great heavy metal juke box too. had a cigarette > machine with > the cheapest fags; mind you , that was before...... do > you know, in > the summer of- > > sorry, i almost lost myself for a moment there... > > more rubbish later Good, I enjoyed this one. Makes me yearn for the comforts of a good heavy metal pub. I'm glad to see that Belle and Sebastian are in fact Biker Rock Wild Men and Women. I await their collaboration with Jim Steinmann with baited bad breath > t'other kate I hope you'll be attending that Belle and Sebastian drinking competition that Keith was organising. In an egg or something. With your HM credentials you'll probably drink 'em all under the table no problem. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aadam at xxx.com Fri Oct 24 23:17:38 1997 From: aadam at xxx.com (Aadam ) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:17:38 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Rereleasing Tigermilk Message-ID: <34511E82.6798@interaccess.com> Frankly I'm sick 'n' tired of hearing about it, but I have to add my idea anyway. Why not rerelease it three songs at a time on CDsingles and 12"s? Over the course of a year, everyone who wants it will have it in its entirety; and it'll still be somewhat obscure because it'll be "b-sides." Aadam ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From hugh.atkins at xxx.net Fri Oct 24 23:40:14 1997 From: hugh.atkins at xxx.net (hugh.atkins at xxx.net) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:40:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Top 10 Message-ID: <345123CE.7B67@virgin.net> Last chance to e-mail me (or post to the list) your top ten B&S tunes. I'll post the results on Sunday as the hangover subsides... Thanks to all who have contributed. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mctag at xxx.com Sat Oct 25 00:06:36 1997 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:06:36 GMT Subject: Sinister: you crazy critters Message-ID: <34532251.1616736@email.mcmail.com> I don't know what to make of all this. As a new arrival to the list, I'm slightly bemused by all this heated political debate on the subject. Surely, a little patience is required, I'm confident it'll come out in its entirety in one place, no crazy bsides, extra CDs for the select few. I have a certain degree of faith in the group. All this fuckin elitism about how it can't come out in the original sleeve, well that's for the purists only. The important thing is that we have beautiful new songs like 'Modern Rock Song' or 'Slow Graffiti' (or is it one f two t's, I can never remember) to look forward to. 'Tigermilk' is great, but we can wait... Top tens are impossible but I love their spontaneity 1 Modern Rock Song 2 Seeing other people 3 Lazy Line Painter Jane 4 Stars of Track and Field 4 Slow Graffiti 5 I could be dreaming 6 Judy and the dream of horses 7 Belle and Sebastian 8 Sleep the clock around 9 String Bean Jane 10 I don't love anyone As for ripping off bob Dylan, or whatever the pastie may mean, yeah yeah...all I know is that like the Go B's, the Pastels or hell, the Shangri-las, they're one of the few groups whose lyrics combine the astral and the apparently banal and can fit into any emotional situation the incurable romantic may find himself in. 'Seeing other people' may be a gay anthem, but it means something altogether different and altogether more personal to me. And that dear friends is their beauty.... Goodnight young lovers xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From artyfartystudent at xxx.com Sat Oct 25 04:22:34 1997 From: artyfartystudent at xxx.com (Edwardo J Rollipops) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:22:34 EDT Subject: Sinister: promo thingies Message-ID: <19971024.201612.5167.2.artyfartystudent@juno.com> i think a good idea would be paper dolls. you know, an extra cardboard insert (with the 12" and a smaller version with the CD)...especially if the paper dolls were different. see, cos then i'd have to buy them both. and of course i would never cut them out! it's like the concept behind the sergeant's badge and fake moustache included in the original issue of the beatles' "sergeant pepper's lonely hearts club band" album. perhaps you should just double pack it with a photograph, extra track and a tacky badge. :) michelle ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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Lazy Line Painter Jane ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Sat Oct 25 14:30:24 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:30:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: bass lines and other crap Message-ID: <199710251239.OAA12463@mail1.isdnet.net> hello, has anyone noticed the similarity between the bass line in "electronic renaissance" and the bass line in New order's "procession" ? Funny that... Oh, and the bridge type thing at the end of "photo jenny" reminds me Glen Campbell's "witchita lineman"... does anyone feel like putting a b and s tribute band together...i play guitar and can sing like a drunken seal...who plays bass? drums? stylophone? we could call ourselves "laverne and shirley" or something, and play reggae versions...erm...i'll stop now thank you, alan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Sat Oct 25 14:24:56 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:24:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Le Pastie de la bourgeoisie Message-ID: <199710251239.OAA12456@mail1.isdnet.net> ---------- De : Matthew A. Neimark A : 'sinister at majordomo.net' Cc : 'indiepop-list at eskimo.com' Objet : Sinister: Le Pastie de la bourgeoisie Date : jeudi 16 octobre 1997 15:17 Other possible names for Le Pastie: Le pastis de la bourgeoisie. A clear Anise liquor that turns cloudy when mixed with water. Very popular among the middle class of the south of France. Middle class????? Not sure a bout that mate; come and live here for a while... i think it's disgusting, but anyway pastis+rugby and football fans= mayhem, very often ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rewb2 at xxx.uk Sat Oct 25 15:06:59 1997 From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (R.E.W. Butler) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 15:06:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: My top ten Message-ID: I hope I haven't left this too late - it's so hard to decide, my favourite songs keep changing. Oh well, here goes... 1. The state I am in 2. We rule the school 3. Electronic Renaissance 4. The stars of track and field 5. Like Dylan in the movies 6. Modern rock song 7. Beautiful 8. My wandering days are over 9. String bean Jane 10. The fox in the snow Well, at least that is what I think at the moment - I'm sure tomorrow it'll be different... Is anyone going up to Manchester from down south (London area) for the gigs. I really want to go - have the official dates been released yet? Love, Rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From chris.hall5 at xxx.net Sat Oct 25 17:38:00 1997 From: chris.hall5 at xxx.net (Chris Hall) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:38:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Boo change again ! Message-ID: <34522068.5BF@virgin.net> Sorry folks but Boo to the Business World ! has moved again due to ISP trouble. It is now at http://freespace.virgin.net/chris.hall5/index.htm cheers ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Sat Oct 25 17:44:44 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:44:44 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Problem w/ rereleasing Tigermilk on Singles Message-ID: <01BCE143.C8ED8900@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> AADAM wrote: Frankly I'm sick 'n' tired of hearing about it, but I have to add my idea anyway. Why not rerelease it three songs at a time on CDsingles and 12"s? Over the course of a year, everyone who wants it will have it in its entirety; and it'll still be somewhat obscure because it'll be "b-sides." I reply: The problem with this is that an LP is so incredibly different in concept to a single. They aren't just "collections of songs". Tigermilk flows brilliantly from song to song and each has it's place and order (that's one reason I find it to be such an incredible album). Singles are sort of the same but I guess less so (a sides can kind of be different to b sides). But still, when a band makes a release, I'm sure they agonize over what songs to put on and where. Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From initgrl at xxx.org Sat Oct 25 18:01:26 1997 From: initgrl at xxx.org (jj heldmann) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: My top ten In-Reply-To: Message-ID: this is gonna be ridiculously hard 'cos the only b&s song i don't love is "lazy line painter jane" (i actually like the song lots, just not what happens to it when monica queen sings) but here's today'stop ten in no particular order other than number one - "she's losing it" was the first b&s song i ever heard and its still my favorite. 1. she's losing it 2. seeing other people 3. string bean jean 4. like dylan in the movies 5. get me away from here, i'm dying 6. expectations 7. the stars of track and field 8. if you're feeling sinister 9. judy and the dream of horses 10. photo jenny honorable mentions -actually they're tied with others but since i had to limit it to ten... 11. a century of fakers 12. dog on wheels xo jj ******************************************** fantastic po box 4492 ann arbor mi 48106 usa www.mindspring.com/~initialgirl/fantastic ******************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Sat Oct 25 18:39:45 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:39:45 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Saturday Superstore Message-ID: <34522EE1.13CADF67@colon.net.> Such is my level of boredom at the moment that I feel the urge to join in the Tigermilk discussion. My fantastic idea is to release bits of Tigermilk, some demos, some radio sessions and whatever else comes to mind, as a Hatful of Hollow style stop-gap release. I think Hatful of Hollow is the best Smiths album, because it's all jumbled up and got a nice picture in the middle. That's it really. Bit rubbish I'm afraid. I've also decided that nice paper or cardboard is more important than any gimmicky promotional tricks. But if you're going to do gimmicky promotional tricks, I suggest following in the footsteps of The Cramps and making a nudie-twist video. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Sat Oct 25 12:43:15 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:43:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: fluent in french anyone? Message-ID: <3451DB53.2680637E@virgin.net> hiya, david here from the fanclub. we just picked up the post (our weekly trek to south london) and found that we had a letter written entirely in french. we don't want to not answer just because it's in a different language, but need some help, is anyone fluent in french here? would you mind translating a double-side of A4 into english for us? if you can help then mail us back and we'll forward the letter to you (i'll never be able to e-mail it 'cos i won't be able to get all the spelling and accents correct.). thanks david kitchen. (nearly died last night when the computer fried itself again, but hey, it's working again this morning so maybe it'll be alright for a while.) PS: to all the people who offered help with the website, i'll get back to you soon, it's just that my inbox if suffering a bit at the 'mo, to everyone else, don't stop mailing us, we will get through it all! -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Sat Oct 25 12:54:09 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:54:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: you crazy critters References: <34532251.1616736@email.mcmail.com> Message-ID: <3451DDE1.B32711A3@virgin.net> Robert McTaggart wrote: > > I don't know what to make of all this. As a new arrival to the list, > I'm slightly bemused by all this heated political debate on the > subject. Surely, a little patience is required, I'm confident it'll > come out in its entirety in one place, no crazy bsides, extra CDs for > the select few. I have a certain degree of faith in the group. > > All this fuckin elitism about how it can't come out in the original > sleeve, well that's for the purists only. The important thing is that > we have beautiful new songs like 'Modern Rock Song' or 'Slow Graffiti' > (or is it one f two t's, I can never remember) to look forward to. > 'Tigermilk' is great, but we can wait... > > As for ripping off bob Dylan, or whatever the pastie may mean, yeah > yeah...all I know is that like the Go B's, the Pastels or hell, the > Shangri-las, they're one of the few groups whose lyrics combine the > astral and the apparently banal and can fit into any emotional > situation the incurable romantic may find himself in. 'Seeing other > people' may be a gay anthem, but it means something altogether > different and altogether more personal to me. And that dear friends > is their beauty.... > > Goodnight young lovers xxx thank you for putting us back on a straight path, we were wandering abit weren't we. i think it's bloody important that we have people remind us occasionally about why we're on this list. none of us could really care for much else than tigermilk be re-issued, belle and sebastian to continue writing and releasing fragile but special songs, and this whole thing of love. why do we so easily forget this? what is it about e-mails that can twist your intentions and create a flame? whatever, i don't need the answers. i just need reminding of the way i feel when i listen to 'sinister' or a bad recording of the radio sessions, or anything else they do. as the duke always says 'keep the faith', well, given the chance i think we all will. david kitchen - feeling somewhat fragile because the hot water has now broken, along with the computer, cd player and one of our windows. everything seems to fall to bits when you're suspended 200 feet high over west london, but at least we've still got Belle and Sebastian. :) -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Sat Oct 25 19:48:46 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:48:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: moments+promos Message-ID: <01bce176$a03a5820$LocalHost@default> Edwardo wrote: >especially if the paper dolls were different. see, cos then i'd have to >buy them both. That would be rubbish cos then I'd have to spend more money buying them both, though it'd push it up the charts higher I expect. Didn't pulp do that with something, where they released a song with 4 different covers and people wouldn't know which one to buy. Belated favourite B&S moment: the 'Knife and a bikechain bit from I could be dreaming', which wasn't in anyones top ten funnily enough. Pastie could be an acronym. If I wasn't knackered I'd think of an incredibly witty and profound one, but I am...so I can't. (and neither can anyone else, eh?) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Sat Oct 25 20:34:33 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:34:33 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Saturday Superstore References: <34522EE1.13CADF67@colon.net.> Message-ID: <345249C8.CC532DCC@colon.net.> Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta wrote: > Such is my level of boredom at the moment that I feel the > urge to join in the Tigermilk discussion. > > My fantastic idea is to release bits of Tigermilk, some > demos, some radio sessions and whatever else comes to > mind, > as a Hatful of Hollow style stop-gap release. I think > Hatful > of Hollow is the best Smiths album, because it's all > jumbled > up and got a nice picture in the middle. > > That's it really. Bit rubbish I'm afraid. > > I've also decided that nice paper or cardboard is more > important than any gimmicky promotional tricks. But if > you're going to do gimmicky promotional tricks, I suggest > following in the footsteps of The Cramps and making a > nudie-twist video. > > Peter > I would like to retract all of the above. It was the result of boredom. I don't think anyone was accusing B&S of ripping Bob Dylan off, just pointing out a similarity. I am sad enough to have read books in which people not only dissect Dylan lyrics to make them suit their own ends, they also go to the trouble of pointing out where Bobby borrowed the tunes from in the first place. I'm all in favour of borrowing tunes, words or whatever else. In a recent review Edwyn Collins was accused of stealing a riff from The Velvet Underground. But they nicked it from Marvin Gaye, and I doubt very much that Marvin was the first to use it. I'm sure there are thousands of other examples. So I think pointing it out is just a bit of fun, not a case of "a-ha! Caught you red-handed Murdoch!" or anything like that. Just in case anyone was upset or anything. Can anyone tell me what "This Life" is? I see it referred to a lot, but I don't know what it is. I know what "This is Your Life" is. Still on a telly vibe: Did anyone bother to watch the B&S-less Top of the Pops last night? What were the Spicies doing in India? Elephant races? Archdeacon of Pop: I'm afraid I've lost your message somehow. That's why I haven't answered, not because I'm an ignorant bugger or anything. David: Can't help you with French, but should you ever receive anything in Spanish, I will be juming up and down with glee at the prospect of translating it. Or the other way round. Ou est allez vous Tigermilk magnetophonique peut etre chien aux wheels? Peter here's our fabulous business card: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ooon at xxx.th Sat Oct 25 22:38:01 1997 From: ooon at xxx.th (ooon) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 04:38:01 +0700 Subject: Sinister: B&S Moments References: <86256539.006D75FF.00@internet-502.interliant.com> Message-ID: <345266B9.6422@samart.co.th> this is a nice thread! surely the first time i get to hear/understand the lyric of 'the State I am in'...being non-English speaker, i love them a lot solely on the beautiful music. 'State..' is the first song i can actually understand. it goes without saying after that moment i stretch my ears to hear what they're talking about :) and when he sings 'Fox in the snow' bit too. my heart just sinked, in a nice way, somehow. Stuart's voice and the way he sings is absolutely lovely! actually there're many of his singing bits i love but 'Fox in the snow' is the top at the moment. this is my first post, so Hello to everyone. (i did send something to the old list though but never saw it appeared so that didn't count :) i'm from Thailand, where there're IYFS cd & all eps in local shop here lately and seemed sold out really fast too. i wonder what the band think about oversea gigs? well, i dare not dream of seeing them in Bangkok but i heard they're well loved in Japan, will they be coming over to Japan soon? also, a big Thank You to everyone who takes time to type up all those B&S articles! it's very much appreciated! :) all the best, oon xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Sun Oct 26 09:36:07 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:36:07 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Saturday Superstore References: <34522EE1.13CADF67@colon.net.> Message-ID: <34530F06.6478D5AB@mail.zynet.co.uk> > My fantastic idea is to release bits of > Tigermilk, some > demos, some radio sessions and whatever else > comes to mind, > as a Hatful of Hollow style stop-gap release. I > think Hatful > of Hollow is the best Smiths album, because it's > all jumbled > up and got a nice picture in the middle. yeah, think that's a nice idea, but it wouldn't be worth it until after the NEXT LP... they need to have that charting LP to get them the kudos to do such a thing. (and remember, when HOH came out, the Simths had already had a top twenty single...) > That's it really. Bit rubbish I'm afraid. but only a bit :-) > I've also decided that nice paper or cardboard > is more > important than any gimmicky promotional tricks. ooh yes, for sure. Make an interesting package for the records and you'll get people's interst for sure. Or at least all the designers. I do think they need to break out of that Smithsy/80s indie style on their sleeves though. Sigh, much as i like them and all... They could do booklet sleeves, where there's a story in the centre pages or something, like those Sugarfrost 7"s of a few years back. And i remember Friends Again having a double 7" with booklet in the middle, lots of nice photos of them aorund Hamilton and Glasgow. And a great Fraser Taylor cover design. that's all... the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Sun Oct 26 08:56:11 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 08:56:11 +0000 Subject: Sinister: promo ideas References: <01bce176$a03a5820$LocalHost@default> Message-ID: <345305AA.6522488C@mail.zynet.co.uk> okay, so here's the deal: when the next belle and sebastian record is released, the band go dashing around the country playing little shows in.... SCHOOLS! No seriously, here's the thinking behind it: last thursday i gave my lovely year ten kiddies (that's 14/15 year olds to you oldsters who still think in '3rd/4th form' concepts) a morning assembly, in which i wittered on about how important it is to stick with your dreams, build foundations, ahem, 'keep the faith' basically. I talked a bit about Jarvis and Pulp because the kids call me Jarvis and that was a giggle, and then i told them the story of Belle & SEbastian, and how excited we all were last week when we followed the chart progress and hoped they'd be on TOTP... Anyway, now they all know who B&S are, and some of them are coming up to me and going, 'i heard that belle & sebastian song on the radio last night' and saying they like it and all... And then last night me and Tim were talking about it, and the promo idea, and we agreed that if a band played in a school they'd probably sell loads of records cos kids would be seeing their first live show, and i dunno about you, but just the concept of seeing a live show is pretty darn exciting! We'd have loads of teeny belle & sebastian fans! At least... loads more! And they could give out free posters and signed pictures, and wee Chris and Stuart could sing a few gospel numbers and the schools would be happy because they'd be doing their 'act of collective daily worship'. I volunteer my school to be part of the tour :-) keep the faith, the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike at xxx.uk Sun Oct 26 10:45:39 1997 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 10:45:39 GMT Subject: Sinister: Promo Ideas - the school tour Message-ID: Following on from the Duke's tour of schools, this reminded me of Heavenly doing their "Crap Towns" tour a few years back. I distinctly remember the audience at Yeovil (!) being generally younger and not the usual crowd from Bristol gigs. I wonder how many of these people were seeing their first live show? So, I nominate the Princess Hall, Burnham-on-Sea for the next B&S show. Its big, the stage is huge and its only about �70 a night to hire. The council just gave it a makeover though, so they might have to shake hands with the mayor or something... 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From hugh.atkins at xxx.net Sun Oct 26 11:37:55 1997 From: hugh.atkins at xxx.net (hugh.atkins at xxx.net) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 11:37:55 +0000 Subject: Sinister: TOP 10 RESULTS Message-ID: <34532B93.6849@virgin.net> Thanks to all who sent their lists in, including the last minute ones this morning! The results were calculated using the famous EUROVISION SONG CONTEST SCORING METHOD ie 10 pts for first choice, 9 points for second etc. Apart from the top ten songs, I also used the lists to determine the following information - TIGERMILK is slightly more popular than IF YOU'RE FEELING SINISTER, and the three EP's are in this order of popularity: 3. 3,6,9 seconds... 2. LLPJ 1. Dog on wheels It seems that most people have a copy of Tigermilk, but those who don't voted like this: 10. DOG ON WHEELS 9. FOX IN THE SNOW 8. YOU MADE ME FORGET MY DREAMS 7. BELLE AND SEBASTIAN 6. STRING BEAN JEAN 5. LIKE DYLAN IN THE MOVIES 4. GET ME AWAY I'M DYING 3.= SEEING OTHER PEOPLE 3.= STARS OF TRACK AND FIELD 2. JUDY AND THE DREAM OF HORSES 1. THE STATE I AM IN And now the moment you've all been waiting for............... THE OFFICIAL B&S TOP TEN SONGS (including all songs, released and unreleased) 10.= LE PASTIE... 10.= PHOTO JENNY 10.= WE RULE THE SCHOOL 9. LLPJ 8. JUDY AND THE DREAM OF HORSES 7.= BELLE AND SEBASTIAN 7.= STRING BEAN JEAN 6. EXPECTATIONS 5. SEEING OTHER PEOPLE 4. MY WANDERING DAYS ARE OVER 3. GET ME AWAY I'M DYING 2. SHE'S LOSING IT 1. THE STATE I AM IN Of the unreleased songs that received votes, MODERN ROCK SONG is the most popular. I could probably do some more in-depth analysis with the all the results, but I was crap at maths in school and you probably don't care anymore now that the final 'chart' has appeared. And before anyone asks, the song that received the least votes ? There wasn't one. We love all the songs, don't we... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rewb2 at xxx.uk Sun Oct 26 14:49:34 1997 From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (R.E.W. Butler) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 14:49:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: TOP 10 RESULTS In-Reply-To: <34532B93.6849@virgin.net> Message-ID: hugh.atkins at virgin.net wrote: > > > THE OFFICIAL B&S TOP TEN SONGS (including all songs, released and > unreleased) > > 10.= LE PASTIE... > 10.= PHOTO JENNY > 10.= WE RULE THE SCHOOL > > 9. LLPJ > > 8. JUDY AND THE DREAM OF HORSES > > 7.= BELLE AND SEBASTIAN > 7.= STRING BEAN JEAN > > 6. EXPECTATIONS > > 5. SEEING OTHER PEOPLE > > 4. MY WANDERING DAYS ARE OVER > > 3. GET ME AWAY I'M DYING > > 2. SHE'S LOSING IT > > > > > 1. THE STATE I AM IN > > > > I could probably do some more in-depth analysis with the all the > results, but I was crap at maths in school and you probably don't care > anymore now that the final 'chart' has appeared. Hugh, that probably explains why there are 13 songs in your top ten. Not that there's anything wrong with that - their songs are so great they all deserve a mention... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ps115 at xxx.uk Sun Oct 26 18:31:10 1997 From: ps115 at xxx.uk (ps115) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:31:10 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: fame...who needs it? In-Reply-To: <34530F06.6478D5AB@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: As nice as the idea is of sending Belle and Sebastian on a tour of primary and secondary schools is, I feel that maybe this is the wrong direction for them to take. Before we know it there will be Belle and Sebastian dolls, maybe a saturday morning cartoon show (New Kids On The Block anyone?) their latest single will only be available to those people who collect 50 gin bottle labels and they will be doing the advert for UK Gold, dressed in short skirts and wearing too much make-up. This is not the future I envisage for B&S, in fifty years I want my children to talk in hushed whispers about a strange mythical band, a band who never did interviews, rarely played gigs and yet crafted songs of such poise and beauty, songs whose lyrics are the soundtrack to a thousand lost days. Bands like B&S do not need the mainstream, their popularity demonstrates this, the mainstream needs them. Like so many however, the media makes icons only to shoot them down (Stone Roses). Belle and Sebastian never openening a supermarket near you. I hope. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ianmacdonald at xxx.net Sun Oct 26 19:40:12 1997 From: ianmacdonald at xxx.net (Ian MacDonald) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:40:12 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Thank You Message-ID: <199710261944.TAA27689@boober.lineone.net> I have just subscribed to this list. (my first) I don't know who Belle and Sebastian are , I don't know what they look like and to be honest I don't give a monkeys. But to the point, I'd just like to thank them for their music that I have recently discovered. I can pay no greater complement to them than to say I will be pursuing their back catalogue with vigour. Slange var, lads and lassies. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Sun Oct 26 19:00:16 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 20:00:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: School dinners Message-ID: <34539340.64D207D4@colon.net.> I think the idea of performing in schools is a great one. The kids would like it, except the awkward ones at the back who hate everything, and it would give the teachers a nice rest. The band would benefit from publicity in all the local papers. At my school (a long time ago) we had a visit from a christian rock band. I was sitting in the back row with my preconceptions and along they came with a song called "Sitting in the Back Row with your Preconceptions". It was rubbish. They also took the piss out of Motorhead for being poor musicians. But the teachers had a nice rest. I'm also in favour of a "crap" towns tour. People in remote outposts are usually gagging for a bit of rock and roll. I know I am. A tour of the highlands and islands would be good too. Plenty of press coverage and a good time for all. Or village fetes or something like that. Church bazaars. Anything a bit different really. They'll be time enough for the NEC later. There's loads of arts centres as well. I'm sure the Burton Brewhouse would welcome a well-scrubbed bunch like Belle and Sebastian. Have they disappeared without trace from the only chart that counts? Nice to hear from Thailand. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From robert at xxx.uk Sun Oct 26 19:54:48 1997 From: robert at xxx.uk (Robert Chesworth) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:54:48 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Anewsite Message-ID: hello everyone on this list i have just joined and i have made a belle and sebastian homepage on the internet. it hjas the lyrics on and the pictures of the albums and the sleeve notes soon there will be samples also it has Lemurs on a seperate bit that is all goodbye.ps. Soon it should be on yahoo but at the moment it has not been completely uploaded so it might not work so maybee just the lemurs will be on http://www.reepham.demon.co.uk/ -- Robert Chesworth ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Sun Oct 26 21:07:04 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:07:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: Anewsite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To all: It's just lemurs. Now they're cuddly and everything, but Robert, is this some sort of weak joke to get us to see your lemurs? Whether it's loaded up on Yahoo or not won't make any difference to the links viewable from your top page. Just put a link in to B&S if the page exists on your top page and I will link in from my site. Correct me if I'm being rude or stupid but I have a godawful cold. Paul On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Robert Chesworth wrote: > hello everyone on this list i have just joined > and i have made a belle and sebastian homepage > on the internet. it hjas the lyrics on and the > pictures of the albums and the sleeve notes > soon there will be samples also it has Lemurs > on a seperate bit that is all goodbye.ps. Soon it > should be on yahoo but at the moment it has > not been completely uploaded so it might not > work so maybee just the lemurs will be on > http://www.reepham.demon.co.uk/ > -- > Robert Chesworth > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mctag at xxx.com Sun Oct 26 21:02:33 1997 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:02:33 GMT Subject: Sinister: re: crazy critters Message-ID: <3453af67.173018@email.mcmail.com> Sorry duke didn't mean to sound so irate, and thanks to David and Katrina for agreeing, assuming you weren't being sarcastic, you weren't, were you? I guess my point wasn't that I thought that Tigermilk should or shouldn't come out in original sleeve, or whatever. It's just it doesn't matter that much. Now I don't actually own a copy, but I do have permanent access to one, so maybe I'm more blaze on the subject. I'd like to own the songs, yeah sure, but I was kind of hoping that these little chats we have were more driven by passion and optimism and love than for intellectualising what is simply beautiful. That was my point...I think most of you probably agree. Maybe that doesn't leave much room for discussion. Incidentally, anyone in Manchester wanting a fix could go worse than come to 'Smile' on a Saturday, where the DJ (no, it's not me) plays 8 or 9 B&S songs a night (or more if he can get away with it). You probably already know that, but come and say hello. That's all. Night night... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rewb2 at xxx.uk Sun Oct 26 21:18:40 1997 From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (R.E.W. Butler) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:18:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: Lemurs Message-ID: No, there's a bit about B&S as well as the lemurs. It's only stuff that's come off other B&S sites though. Lemurs are fantastic though, loads of great pictures of them. Got to be the best lemur site on the web... If you like that sort of thing. Rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From madelain-jp at xxx.fr Sun Oct 26 21:55:12 1997 From: madelain-jp at xxx.fr (Jean-Philippe Madelaine) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:55:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Promo ideas Message-ID: <01bce259$d5cbc800$bc0f65c3@infonie> It's not really a promo idea but it would be great if B&S recors were available easily in France (and other countries i think). I needed one month to get LLPJ and one month an a half for Dog on wheels. And for the moment, i can't purchase 3,6,9 (but Dazza will send it to me, thanks). The radio broadcast and the magazines are very laudatory. But when you have to chosse between two different records you heared last evening on radio, you buy the one which is available in the shop. And B&S IS NOT. I just think that to allow the distribution out from UK would be a GREAT PROMO IDEA. Good evening to you all, i'm going to listen to Dog on Wheels... Jean-Philippe MADELAINE ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Sun Oct 26 22:09:48 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:09:48 +0000 Subject: Sinister: clubs, pubs and glory References: <3453af67.173018@email.mcmail.com> Message-ID: <3453BFAC.BFF4C972@mcmail.com> > Incidentally, anyone in Manchester wanting a fix could go worse than > come to 'Smile' on a Saturday, where the DJ (no, it's not me) plays 8 > or 9 B&S songs a night (or more if he can get away with it). You > probably already know that, but come and say hello. Really? I heard it was good but I didn't know they played B&S... well maybe one Saturday then... except it's frequented by a bloke I'm trying to avoid so maybe not... any other clubs play "The" band, out of interest? aaaargh....fffizzz.....*explodes a la mars attacks* my brain isn't working... I just watched "If..." I need to go and start a revolution or something... Later, Kate xxx "Paradise is for the blessed, not the sex obsessed" http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/6292 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From robert at xxx.uk Sun Oct 26 23:35:45 1997 From: robert at xxx.uk (Robert Chesworth) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:35:45 +0000 Subject: Sinister: newthings Message-ID: what do you all want on my new site? i've only just finished it so any ideas would be apreciated i have all most of what i could do has allready been done by Andrew Dean how about a forum or something and thanks to the people who got everything computerised before i started this www site the lemurs take up nearly 4 megs but b+s are worth a bit more oand i have about a megabyte left -- Robert Chesworth ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From C.B.Stride at xxx.uk Mon Oct 27 08:11:22 1997 From: C.B.Stride at xxx.uk (Dr C.B.Stride) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:11:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Its that time of the month again!! Message-ID: <7E0A81B568E@woodhead.shef.ac.uk> To all those in the vicinity of Sheffield, UK This Saturday night..... OFFBEAT - a real indiepop night....... with late bar, free lollipops and request sheets Sheffield Uni' SU Raynor Lounge (non-students most welcome) 9pm to 1am, £2.00 on the door... on Saturday 1st November Friday 5th December Playing......Classic Indie, Punk POP 1977-1997 and C86/C96/new underground of indiepop..... HEAVENLY-HELEN LOVE-SHOP ASSISTANTS-PIXIES-BODINES DWEEB-CHAMELEONS-PASTELS-REM-SMITHS-CUD-PAVEMENT FALL- BLUR-JAM-HALF MAN HALF BISCUIT-TALULAH GOSH SUPER FURRY ANIMALS-ELASTICA-CURVE-URUSEI YATSURA- BOGSHED-TIGER-SNUFF-DEAD KENNEDYS-PWEI-CARTER USM STEREOLAB-CHINA DRUM-BLAGGERS ITA- BUZZCOCKS-BIS WEDDING PRESENT-ASH-BELLE&SEBASTIAN-SONIC YOUTH- plus many more in the same vein...... for more details email C.B.Stride at Sheffield.ac.uk C.B.Stride at Sheffield.ac.uk *** daytime: 0114 2223262 *** *** FAX 0114 2727206 *** ** NEW ** evening: 0114 2306539 ** NEW ** "Watford FC Supporters - South Yorkshire branch" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From John.Johnston at xxx.uk Mon Oct 27 09:46:04 1997 From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:46:04 -0000 Subject: Sinister: london calling... Message-ID: Can anyone confirm or deny that those Monsters of Rock - The Shirehorses, are playing tommorrow night in London? I heard something on the radio this morning but I wasn't really with it. The 100 Club??? Does anybody want to go? john xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Mon Oct 27 09:54:18 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:54:18 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Another great idea - not Message-ID: About the promoideas: I ´m in it for the extra CD idea. But maybe not Tigermilk - how about a dub verison of "Slow Grafitti" (title of the next album, eh?) instead, just like Primal Screams "Echo Dek". How lovely wouldn´t a dub version of "Sleep the clock around" turn out? Or a drum n´bass version. Or perhaps a genuine country version featuring Johnny Cash... Or Willie Nelson... Coolest of all: A crooner version. Maybe B&S could hire in Scott Walker. Think about the great man starting to sing "Now listen sonny...". Vibrato heaven! Sorry. Had a bad weekend:-) Next competition: Most unlikely artist to cover Belle And Sebastian. How about that? ///Klas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Oct 27 09:44:18 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:44:18 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Re: fame...who needs it? References: Message-ID: <34546271.AC68A6C5@mail.zynet.co.uk> ps115 wrote: > As nice as the idea is of sending Belle and > Sebastian on a tour of > primary and secondary schools is, I feel that > maybe this is the wrong > direction for them to take. Before we know it > there will be Belle and > Sebastian dolls, maybe a saturday morning > cartoon show (New Kids On > The Block anyone?) their latest single will only > be available to those > people who collect 50 gin bottle labels and they > will be doing the > advert for UK Gold, dressed in short skirts and > wearing too much > make-up. This is not the future I envisage for > B&S, with respect, i think you miss the appeal of Pop. i used to feel the same, and maybe it's age and mellowing that makes me feel different, i dunno, but i really don't see why belle & sebastian shouldn't go ahead and play the Pop Game (by their own rules as much as possible) and win. At least win to some extent, i mean, they ain't gonna bring down the walls of established music biz, but hey... I HATE the idea that b&s will be some wanky safe little cosy 'respected' group, talked about in hushed reverence. I get a shiver if i think about them being given big features in 'Q' saying how worthy and artful they are... Sure, discuss the social and political implications of Pop (and that's important i feel, because, um, i like the idea that people investigate and think about what they consume, but that's another matter..), but don't forget that important point you seem to be maybe missing, and which i try to point out in my recent review of 3,6,9 : 'They sound fucking great!' See, don't talk about b&s in hushed tones in your little cliques, go shout it on the high street, go write their name in the sand, paint it on walls, grafitti your school, your bus shelters. B&S rule the school. Make posters yourselves and flypost your town (we used to do this in troon with Sarah records...), make some homemade badges and give them to strangers. I don't care, but just DON'T make them a group that you keep locked away in your closet. keep the faith, the duke of harringay, Pop Evangelist. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sgold06 at xxx.edu Mon Oct 27 12:06:09 1997 From: sgold06 at xxx.edu (Steve Goldman) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:06:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Sessions... Message-ID: I don't know how many people watch Sessions at 54th Street religiously, but last night was The Squirrel Nut Zippers and the Gipsy Kings. Two fantastic bands! If you have a rerun in your area, check it out! --Steven PS -- Someone replied to my request for a Tigermilk tape, but that seems to have fallen through...anyone else able to help (at the risk of disintegrating their vinyl)? *************************************************************************** Steven Goldman * * Box 22688 * Fun-lover, pop freak, sometimes * Emory University * DJ, and aspiring actor/writer/director * Atlanta, GA 30322 * * (404) 251-8310 * "Faith manages." * sgold06 at emory.edu * --Delenn, "Babylon 5" * WWW: http://tswww.cc.emory.edu/~sgold06 * *************************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From PMA97CW at xxx.uk Mon Oct 27 12:03:16 1997 From: PMA97CW at xxx.uk (Chris Worth) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:03:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 7"!! Message-ID: <108A3820362@derwent.shef.ac.uk> I think that the best thing B & S could do is release a series of ultra - collectable limited edition 7" singles on a singles club label. The band could even do the artwork themselves; I mean, they could hand - paint the sleeves, or whatever. Things like this generate huge amounts of publicity, especially if the band is already fairly well - known and has a good fanbase, like B & S. Oh, and Neil, I take offence when you say that all Manics and Smiths fans are filled with rage. Or that if you are filled with rage then you must like the Manics or the Smiths. Or whatever. Basically, a highly ignorant thing to say. Go and listen to some MSP and you'll feel very chilled out. Honest. Tigermilk... should not be re-released. Let it stay collectable. Where is this Smile night in Manchester?? I would literally fall over if I ever heard even one B & S song being played in a night. But then again, I usually do fall over when I go out. Does anyone here actually come from Manchester, like me?? Just wondering. And wandering. See ya later, Chris. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Mon Oct 27 14:44:38 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:44:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: promo ideas Message-ID: <0039600000449489000002L092*@MHS> warning: major cynicism ahead. people of a nervous disposition may want to look away. cover versions. put decent cover versions on the b-sides of records. 'reel around the fountain' would be ideal (twas a real highlight when they played it in glasgow and edinburgh all those months ago). people will buy the record for the cover and fall in love with the original stuff - instant fanbase. and keep doing things the sarah records way. by which i mean not putting lp tracks on singles. it means that everything you buy is all new. it also means that you have to buy all the singles as you know they won't be on the new lp. (think of 'thriller' or something where 80% of the album later turned up as singles - pointless. ok, b&s aren't michael jackson but...). 10" singles are good too (although i've so many that are just so poorly pressed...). 2 part cd singles are bad, especially when filled up with throwaway stuff (tindersticks anyone?). and, well, the thing that hooked me with the sarah stuff was the little personal bits like the a4 posters and the sleevenotes. (b&s are already doing this with the little tales in each release, and decent covers). and just keep the records in the shops. went looking for another copy of '3, 6, 9...' on saturday. easy to find i thought - chart band and all that. except woolworth's use a different chart from everyone else. whsmiths only seemed to stock the top 20 and virgin just had a hole where number 32 should've been. ok, it serves me right for living in such an armpit of a place but... andy >what do you all want on my new site? a spell checker? >i've only just finished it so any >ideas would be apreciated i have all >most of what i could do has allready been done by >Andrew Dean why bother then? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Mon Oct 27 14:47:13 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:47:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: tour diary part 6 Message-ID: <0039600000449515000002L052*@MHS> All right? It's Neil here. My favourite bit was when we went to a club with Fountain with Fontain out of Versus and Janis out of Slater Kinney. And me and Stevie taught New York to dance cos they were all pretty NY cool at the beginning of the evening, but we melted the ice-maidens' and by the end of the night we had them dancing just like out of "Goodfoot". Apart from that, the best bit was asking the waitress out in the diner we always go to for breakfast, and taking a total beamer and starting shaking, and having her staring me in the eyes, going, "Why are you shaking? Why have you gone all red?" And fluffing it. Here's Stuart Murdoch... Melody Maker, 18th October 1997 last two parts tomorrow. andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Mon Oct 27 15:12:57 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:12:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: radio 1's the Net interview Message-ID: <0039600000449954000002L042*@MHS> ok, a transcription of the recent interview on the Net, that radio 1 showbiz news type thing that goes out 3 times a day. it's a lot longer than the bit that they quoted on the ceefax page. radio 1: now, scottish 8 piece b&s say they're happy to remain elusive to the media. the band were formed at the beginning of last year and have been the subject of much industry interest. now they're starting to sell some records too. like this ep called '3, 6, 9 seconds of light' which is a top 40 hit this week. the band hardly ever do interviews but two of them, chris and sarah, did talk to us. chris says they don't believe in playing the media game. chris: it doesn't make your record any better if you go in the nme telling everyone you're the best band in the world. you know what i mean? i mean, you make a record and you stand or fall by the record and if people like it they'll buy it and if they don't they won't. you can't make people buy something they don't like just by going in the nme every week telling everyone you're the greatest band in the world (when). it's pointless. it's really easy to say that, it's a lot harder to give respect where it's due to other people and just keep quiet. radio 1: the band say they'd rather let the songs speak for themselves and even hate explaining what their music's like chris: you don't have to give 'em an idea cos the only idea they'll get is when one of their pals go 'oh, i heard this record and it's good, listen to it' or something like that. because that's the only way i've ever got into any bands in the past, all my favourite bands, it's certainly not by reading about them in the press. y'know, you hear it on the radio and you go 'that's great' sarah: everything seems to change from one day to the next anyway. each song comes out sounding completely different. it's not really worth trying to shove it into a category cos we'd go and make it pointless the next time we pick up our instruments. chris: it all depends on what part of the menstrual cycle we're all in... radio 1: and you don't want to catch them on a bad week, believe me. anyway, if you like them, b&s will be releasing a new album but not until early next year. [end] i'd not heard chris' voice before and it's kinda soft and sweet (which he probably won't thank me for - it's on par with having a teddy bear named after you in the 'ick' stakes). sarah's accent was a lot less pronounced than i remember it. still drop dead gorgeous though. andy my tigermilk tape just got mangled by my walkman. not happy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmf at xxx.net Mon Oct 27 14:17:43 1997 From: jmf at xxx.net (John) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:17:43 -0000 Subject: Sinister: 7"!! Message-ID: <01bce2e3$17222ae0$4a0181c2@JohnF.plc.psion.com> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Worth To: sinister at majordomo.net Date: 27 October 1997 14:05 Subject: Sinister: 7"!! >> Tigermilk... should not be re-released. Let it stay collectable. I can't stand any more of this. Are you honestly disappointed in IYFS because it's so easy to get? By far the best thing that can happen to Tigermilk is that it is re-released on all formats at the usual full price. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Mon Oct 27 21:34:11 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:34:11 PST Subject: Sinister: press release Message-ID: hey. a couple months back or less a press release was posted to the list for 3..6..9. the one where some member of the band reckoned some song on the new e.p. sucked or something to that effect. could whoever posted that, or if anyone saved it, please repost it please. thanks. -brad ********************************************* that smile on your face i tried to erase that smile on your face but a kiss was not the answer a drunken kiss was not the answer (bill callahan) ********************************************* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MothrHn at xxx.com Mon Oct 27 16:25:52 1997 From: MothrHn at xxx.com (MothrHn at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:25:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk Message-ID: <971027112140_-426381130@emout12.mail.aol.com> I know this is a worn out request, but here it is again. Would anyone be willing to make a copy of Tigermilk for me. Just e-mail me and tell me what to do. Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From barzy at xxx.com Mon Oct 27 19:13:32 1997 From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:13:32 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian 4, world 0. Message-ID: So this *adorable* Japanese girl called Yoko is visiting the states, and LOVES pop music....But has NEVER heard Belle & Sebastian....It's hard for us to talk alot, as she speaks very little English.....But she's been ringing me almost everyday....(We keep missing eachother)....We finally hooked up last night, and in my car she says..."Who....um....your phone? Who IS he?" She means Stuart M. singing "Sebastian you're in a mess....." on my answer phone. "He...he...pretty, lovely, voice!" I ask if she's heard Belle and Sebastian, she says "what? who? Belle??" So I pop in '3...6...9...Seconds of light.' And she's all wide eyed and reading the CD over, and over..."I like!!! I like!!! Belle??? Belle???" So I write it down for her and she says "sank you!!! sank you!!!" I was all warm and fuzzy, even tho I sneezed during the whole gig we went to, and Dub Narcotic got caught up in snow....And I promised her a B&S tape, which will be waiting in Japan for when she returns.....Don't know why i'm spewing all this.....Guess you would have had to be there. If anything, it cheered me up since Andy Dean's blocked me from his email and called the American Stalking police. I guess I *can* be pretty frightening.... *sigh*. My bear will now be re-named Yoko. Maybe. *sigh* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Oct 27 17:45:45 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:45:45 +0000 Subject: Sinister: 7"!! References: <01bce2e3$17222ae0$4a0181c2@JohnF.plc.psion.com> Message-ID: <3454D349.2BD5C8AA@mail.zynet.co.uk> > >> Tigermilk... should not be re-released. Let > it stay collectable. > > I can't stand any more of this. Are you honestly > disappointed in IYFS > because it's so easy to get? By far the best > thing that can happen to > Tigermilk is that it is re-released on all > formats at the usual full price. hear hear. the more people who have the chance to fall in love with and to these songs the better. keep the faith the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Mon Oct 27 18:47:45 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:47:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: 7"!! In-Reply-To: <108A3820362@derwent.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Chris Worth wrote: > > Tigermilk... should not be re-released. Let it stay collectable. > Even if it is re-released, the originals will still be collectable (original Beatles stuff is collectable, and there are far more of them around); so you'll still be able to sell your copy for lots of money should you ever want to, and those of us who are more interested in listening to great music than anything else can have our own CD copies. The sooner the better. Stuart G P.S. What ever happened to the Ink Polaroids competition? Did anyone win? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 95516123 at xxx.uk Mon Oct 27 16:23:02 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:23:02 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Saturday Superstore Message-ID: <0001BDD8.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> >Can anyone tell me what "This Life" is? I see it referred to >a lot, but I don't know what it is. I know what "This is >Your Life" is. 'This Life' is/was a risque (sometimes) BBC 2 drama about a group of young lawyers and their partners living together in a flat in London. Lots of swearing/sex (hetero and gay)/drinking/drugs etc etc. It gained a large cult following and I actually really loved it too. There were two series - the second being far better, and there has been talk of a third, although most of the cast have been offered wonderful parts in other things as a result, so there may not be another. I hope this answers it! >Archdeacon of Pop: I'm afraid I've lost your message >somehow. That's why I haven't answered, not because I'm an >ignorant bugger or anything. What message was that? What were we talking about again? ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:32:44 +0100 Received: from itjfvkli ([195.77.5.179]) by colon.colon.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA07708 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:34:43 +0200 Message-ID: <345249C8.CC532DCC at colon.net.> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:34:33 +0200 From: Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: B&S mailing list Subject: Re: Sinister: Saturday Superstore X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <34522EE1.13CADF67 at colon.net.> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B3A7DB53F0D54047DC7CD5FB" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta From 95516123 at xxx.uk Mon Oct 27 16:46:41 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:46:41 +0000 Subject: Sinister: clubs, pubs and glory Message-ID: <0001BDE0.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> >Really? I heard it was good but I didn't know they played B&S... well >maybe one Saturday then... except it's frequented by a bloke I'm > trying to avoid so maybe not... any other clubs play "The" > band, out of interest? I was at a club called The Egg at the Art School in Edinburgh a couple of weeks back and they played 'Pastie' and something else by B&S which I can't remember unfortunately >Later, > Kate xxx The Archdeacon of Pop ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- Received: from envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (129.215.72.168) by CSUNT2.napier.ac.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 0001B641; Sun, 26 Oct 97 23:36:12 +0000 Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA21486 for sinister-outgoing; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:07:20 GMT Received: from mcmail.com (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.12]) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA21482 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:07:13 GMT Received: from default by mcmail.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA21157; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:01:13 GMT Message-ID: <3453BFAC.BFF4C972 at mcmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:09:48 +0000 From: Kate Dornan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Sinister: clubs, pubs and glory X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3453af67.173018 at email.mcmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kate Dornan From prosella at xxx.com Mon Oct 27 20:47:22 1997 From: prosella at xxx.com (Paige Rosella) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:47:22 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Not spewing & Tigermilk blah blah Message-ID: <01BCE2EF.9E972D20@manager.grovestocktn.com> Madame Cholet wrote: >>Don't know why i'm spewing all this.....Guess you would have had to be there. If anything, it cheered me up No, no, I don't think you're spewing at all! Those are the sort of stories that make a list such as this worthwhile! I thought it was the sweetest thing I'd read all day. It reminded me of the time I sent a tape of Tigermilk to my now-boyfriend (then just an object of my affection) way back before IYFS came out. He called me at work and said "oh my god, i just put in your tape. it changed my life!" all hushed and serious-like. It was the cutest thing ever. Cut to 6 months later, and there we are sitting behind the piano bench at Sessions on W 54th. Paige, the poster formerly known as MPRVixen at aol.com As for making Tigermilk available to all -- I agree, release it, for Criminy's sake! Sure, lots of us have tapes of it, but I live in fear of mine being eaten, something which just happened to my roommate this weekend. If and when it's released on CD, I will covet my digitally-enhanced and pure and not-easily-scratched-or-eaten version of "You're Just A Baby" for all eternity. Now let go of my hand so we can get some sleep. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnj at xxx.com Mon Oct 27 21:17:27 1997 From: johnj at xxx.com (J Jackson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:17:27 +0000 Subject: Sinister: an idiot writes... In-Reply-To: <108A3820362@derwent.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971027211727.00696a54@mail.u-net.com> At 01:03 PM 10/27/97 +0100, Chris Worth wrote: >Tigermilk... should not be re-released. Let it stay collectable. > You, sir, are a complete arse. Do you have Tigermilk and not want anyone else to have it? This can only be the case; if you DON'T have Tigermilk but still don't want it rereleased so you can hear it then you are a pillock. Why should it 'stay collectable' ? So people have to pay upwards of 100 quid for it? Or rely on their copy of a copy of a copy of a cassette? Me, I want it (officially) on CD. I want EVERYONE to hear it. The songs on it stand up with their current songs, if they didn't why would they still play them live? OK it might come out after their next 'proper' album, fair enough, but it should come out. I would like to think the band themselves wouldn't want people to pay over the odds for a record which they could quite easily stick out again and even make a bit of money on.. What exactly ARE your reasons for not wanting it rereleased? JJ x ______________________________________________ You can stay all day, if you want to ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Mon Oct 27 21:40:24 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:40:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: an idiot writes... In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971027211727.00696a54@mail.u-net.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, J Jackson wrote: > At 01:03 PM 10/27/97 +0100, Chris Worth wrote: > >Tigermilk... should not be re-released. Let it stay collectable. > > > You, sir, are a complete arse. STOP flaming and be friendly or be removed. The magic of this list is the community it supports: you may disagree violently on an issue like this but respect others opinions. I'm not seeing this list descend into petty wars and die an untimely death like others I've been on. This isnt just aimed at JJ :) Oh and to do my part I will apologise to the Lemur man. The lemurs gave way to a bit more B&S on his pages later on so sorry for the knee-jerk reaction. I've still got an awful cold though :) Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mctag at xxx.com Mon Oct 27 21:49:03 1997 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:49:03 GMT Subject: Sinister: 7"!! In-Reply-To: <108A3820362@derwent.shef.ac.uk> References: <108A3820362@derwent.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: <345506e6.451184@email.mcmail.com> On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:03:16 +0100, Chris Worth wrote: > >I think that the best thing B & S could do is release a series of >ultra - collectable limited edition 7" singles on a singles club >label. Nonsense > >The band could even do the artwork themselves; I mean, they could >hand - paint the sleeves, or whatever. Oh how sweet > >Tigermilk... should not be re-released. Let it stay collectable. > Please explain why precisely. If you have a copy, presumably you want to keep it expensive so that when they get too popular to be smug about liking them you can sell them to some hapless Japanese tourist for some over-inflated price. If you don't, then you are simply mad. >Where is this Smile night in Manchester?? It's a place where pop fans go to share their love of ace records. SHARE, comprendez? Look Chris I'm sure you're a sweet guy and all, but please don't be so precious. To decree that 'Tigermilk' should only be available to the select few is nothing more than snobbery. Let me tell you the story of the record fair this weekend, I played host to two Northern Soul fans front Sweden this weekend. Their love for this music was unquestionable. Music that, may I remind you, was made at least 25 years ago...Let's just imagine a gang of Belle and Sebastian fans in 30 years time (not difficult, this is timeless music). So in your Stalinist pop regime, these enthusiastic pop kids would never be able to find the music they truly love or else play 1000's of pounds for the privilege. What you suggest denies a new generation of people from buying something that makes them feel good, just through accident of time and place of birth. I saw 50 year old Northern Soul officianados with big smiles on their faces, just because 20 year olds had come miles to celebrate the music they loved. Much nicer than a clique, don't you think.. repent of your sins Chris and I'll tell you where Smile is...you know it makes sense. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Skreddy56 at xxx.com Mon Oct 27 22:03:22 1997 From: Skreddy56 at xxx.com (Skreddy56 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:03:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: re: promo ideas Message-ID: <971027165232_1078526487@emout07.mail.aol.com> I've got a neat idea for a promo... Put little Belle and Sebastian T-Shirt iron-ons in with the EP! You could put a different one in each format (grrr) so people would buy several copies, and you'd get walking promotional posters for the band all over the world! --Matt ps- Got a "Tiger's Milk" Peanut and Carob bar yesterday. I'm a bit afraid to eat it though. Also, the first thing I heard when I went to work yesterday (at a restaurant)-- "3...6...9 slices of bacon." Just felt like sharing. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From PMA97CW at xxx.uk Mon Oct 27 22:00:58 1997 From: PMA97CW at xxx.uk (Chris Worth) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:00:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: tigermilk Message-ID: <7AE8B4604@derwent.shef.ac.uk> Alright, yeah, sorry about that one. I wasn't really thinking when I said that Tigermilk should not be re - released. I think I just felt like saying something a bit controversial, especially after having felt a bit pissed off about the Manics / Smiths comment. It was most definitely a heat of the moment thing, which I hope you will all understand when I tell you that I don't, in fact, have even a copy of Tigermilk. Having thought about it, I would love to see Tigermilk on the shelves of Virgin, HMV et al, so that everyone could hear the pleasures of what (as I understand) is a landmark album. I do, however, happen to think that there would be some people, whether a minority or not, who would start whingeing and moaning if it were re - released; not really because of the collectable value of the record, but due to their "I got there first" mentality. Yes, I agree, music is for everyone to share and appreciate, but I seem to encounter, far too often, people who express the above mentality about some band as soon as they get anywhere near famous, like they want to hoard all that band's music for themselves. Quite a childish attitude to take. So, once again, sorry for being so stupid and not thinking about what I was writing. I've learnt my lesson! Chris. P.S. I don't believe I've ever been called 'sir' and 'arse' in the same sentence before. 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 00:23:51 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 00:23:51 +0000 Subject: Sinister: mmm... tastes like spam Message-ID: <199710272314.XAA19736@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> Dr C B Stride wrote this on 27/10/97: >To all those in the vicinity of Sheffield, UK > >This Saturday night..... > > > OFFBEAT - a real indiepop night....... > > with late bar, free lollipops and request sheets > etc.etc. > > Playing......Classic Indie, Punk POP 1977-1997 and C86/C96/new > underground of indiepop..... > > HEAVENLY-HELEN LOVE-SHOP ASSISTANTS-PIXIES-BODINES > DWEEB-CHAMELEONS-PASTELS-REM-SMITHS-CUD-PAVEMENT > FALL- BLUR-JAM-HALF MAN HALF BISCUIT-TALULAH GOSH > SUPER FURRY ANIMALS-ELASTICA-CURVE-URUSEI YATSURA- > BOGSHED-TIGER-SNUFF-DEAD KENNEDYS-PWEI-CARTER USM > STEREOLAB-CHINA DRUM-BLAGGERS ITA- BUZZCOCKS-BIS > WEDDING PRESENT-ASH-BELLE&SEBASTIAN-SONIC YOUTH- > etc I'm sorry, but isn't this just spam?. Since I've been on this list this guy has sent this advert about four times, not once adding anything to this list that I can remember. Now I know there are a few of us on the list who may run or frequent clubs that play B&S, but these have been only mentioned in relation to discussions or the imminent release of a B&S single. I operate a club that plays B&S. I won't say what or where it is since many of you on the list have kindly done that for me already (many thanks in particular to Keith). I wouldn't dream of spamming the list with an ad for it!!! Maybe I'm being finicky, but I'd rather download even the most trivial B&S related mail than Dr Stride's monthly efforts. Byee, Paul "Go to work on an ***" - *** *** Marketing Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cateran at xxx.com Mon Oct 27 23:18:02 1997 From: cateran at xxx.com (Sandy Blair) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:18:02 -0000 Subject: Sinister: an idiot writes... Message-ID: >>Tigermilk... should not be re-released. Let it stay collectable. >Do you have Tigermilk and not want anyone else to have it? Yes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Tue Oct 28 05:01:37 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 21:01:37 PST Subject: Sinister: sorry Message-ID: i'm afraid i started something i shouldn't have. when i said that tigermilk should be released on 1000 copies with the new album, and that's all.....i said it not out of wanting it to stay collectable cause i really don't care how rare it is, as long as i have it. i have nothing to gain by it staying rare and collectable. i made the limited quantity comment because i was under the impression that the person who asked for promo ideas worked for jeepster (am i right or an idiot?). i gave her the "limited quantity" idea, because apparently b&s have no immediate plans to re-release it. personally, i don't blame them. they probably enjoy the idea of a rare record. i gave my idea so maybe it would get round to b&s and they might say, "hey, maybe". i don't care how many copies are released. incidentally, i remember back in '92 the boo radleys were supposed to re-release their first "hard to find" album, and here it is almost 1998 and no sign of it. so i'm not holding my breath for tigermilk because i have a feeling it's a long way off, yet. -brad ********************************************* that smile on your face i tried to erase that smile on your face but a kiss was not the answer a drunken kiss was not the answer (bill callahan) ********************************************* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 01:26:08 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 01:26:08 +0000 Subject: Sinister: press release Message-ID: <199710280016.AAA25044@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> >hey. a couple months back or less a press release was posted to the >list for 3..6..9. the one where some member of the band reckoned some >song on the new e.p. sucked or something to that effect. >could whoever posted that, or if anyone saved it, please repost it please. >thanks. >-brad Actually I didn't save the mail, but I was sent one of the press releases, so here it comes: BELLE AND SBASTIAN 3,6,9 SECONDS OF LIGHT EP RELEASED 13 OCTOBER - JEEPSTER featuring the songs: CENTURY OF FAKERS LE PASTIE DE LA BOURGEOISIE BEAUTIFUL PUT THE BOOK BACK ON THE SHELF Hello, I've been asked to write a press release for this, our latest record. I have never written one before. I have never seen any of our previous press releases. I don't have access to one, so I can't copy it. I'm in the group, I play guitar. I assume this goes out to journalists at the newspapers and the music press. I have not read that much on the group previously, but I believe we have done quite well with regards to exposure in the press: mostly positive, occasionally ecstatic and sometimes quite derisory. I don't care, I love it all. It's great reading about your group in the press, including the inevitable inaccuracies (but that somehow only adds to the fun). One thing thoughŠ Much has been made of our unwillingness to do interviews and be photographed. I don't understand it. During the early summer you couldn't open a magazine without someone in the band's mug and words of wisdom staring back up at you. I suppose if we get perceived as awkward, contrary, Scottish Indie Popsters, that's the way it goes. I'm not complaining, it's only showbiz and I'm quite grateful for all the attention. Right now we are making more records and attempting to get better at playing gigs. I know we are a shambles, but we've only played about ten shows and the gaps between songs etc. are caused through ineptitude. We could never be deliberately contemptuous of an audience and we are trying to get better - HONEST! Which brings me to our latest record. It's really good, and I like it a lot. Track 2 is my favourite, although wee Chris on keyboards thinks it sucks. Track 4 is a really good song, which I think we could have done much better, although Mark at the record company went wild for it. Well, so much is in the ear of the beholder I guess. Anyway, I hope you will like it. Love Stevie. ************************************************************ and if that's not enough, I was also sent LLPJ, so here's the PR: LAZY LINE PAINTER JANE EP RELEASED 28TH JULY - JEEPSTER This is Belle and Sebastian's new single. It's about a girl called Jane, who is lazy. Belle and Sebastian are lazy too, but they don't draw lines. "It would take too much effort" (Stuart David - Belle and Sebastian). "I used to dream of making music this good, used to wish that I'd written all the songs that I'd ever fallen in love with. Then along comes this band who seem to drift effortlessly into my life, just to as effortlessly create the songs that I now fall in love with. After so long of liking half an album or half an EP, it's a bit strange not to be able to fault a whole back catalogue and they still continue adding to it. 'Photo Jenny' is all those moments when my innocent desire turned to innocent want (in the 'Pictures of Lily' vein). 'You Made Me Forget My Dreams' is the morning after you first tell someone that you love them and 'Lazy Line Painter Jane' has so far escaped meaning, It's just an epic of a song if 'just' can be used in that way. That's what these songs are to me, maybe they mean something totally different, maybe I read too much into these things. Either way I don't think I could carry on as I did, now I have these songs in my head." David Kitchen (Official Fanclub Agent) The "Lazy Line Painter Jane'EP is the second of the three summer EPs, all of which contain new material. The four songs on this EP are: LAZY LINE PAINTER JANE PHOTO JENNY YOU MADE ME FORGET MY DREAMS A CENTURY OF ELVIS ***************************************** Phew! yes, I've got a bit of spare time tonight. anyway, brad, could you save it this time? Byee! Paul "Go to work on an Egg" - THE EGG Marketing Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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All this time and no-one has so much as mentioned our ape brothers and sisters and then on the same day someone says they don't give a monkey's what Belle and Sebastian look like, and then they are honoured with their own webpage on leftover lemur space. One small step for Belle and Sebastian.... I agree with what the person said about overseas distribution. Although mail order is available, it's not the same. Going into a shop and buying a new record is a very Pop experience (probably) whereas sitting around waiting for the postman isn't. Well, it's less fun anyway. I'm not sure, but I think quite a few bands do very well financially just by being available. The reviews are always uncannily good for records that you can actually buy. Plus the reviewers don't have to resort to copying stuff out of the NME. And it's not just independant labels. I've been quite heartenend to see that people in Britain and Ireland have the same problems as me. I thought it was "worldwide release date except for Gipuzkoa" but it looks like it's more widespread. Rant over. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Mon Oct 27 19:33:57 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:33:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: promo ideas References: <0039600000449489000002L092*@MHS> Message-ID: <3454ECA5.97E1EE9B@colon.net.> Andrew Dean wrote: > warning: major cynicism ahead. people of a nervous > disposition may want to look away. > licks lips in anticipation! > cover versions. put decent cover versions on the b-sides > of > records. 'reel around the fountain' would be ideal (twas a > > real highlight when they played it in glasgow and > edinburgh > all those months ago). people will buy the record for the > cover and fall in love with the original stuff - instant > fanbase. > > and keep doing things the sarah records way. by which i > mean > not putting lp tracks on singles. it means that everything > > you buy is all new. it also means that you have to buy all > > the singles as you know they won't be on the new lp. > (think > of 'thriller' or something where 80% of the album later > turned up as singles - pointless. ok, b&s aren't michael > jackson but...). > cynical but foolproof. cover versions are OK, a bit boring for the band perhaps.Singles taken from albums exist as advertisements for the album, so the more they put out, the more albums they sell. Probably. Business is business. And so on. > 2 part cd singles are bad, > especially when filled up with throwaway stuff > (tindersticks > anyone?). I hate two part CDs too. I've got the first part of a Charles and Eddie one in a special sleeve. > and just keep the records in the shops. went looking for > another copy of '3, 6, 9...' on saturday. > You live and learn. Perhaps Jeepster or their distributors expected less demand, and I suppose it makes more economic sennse to fall short than to overdo it. Well, perhaps that should be the other way round. One for all the people bored in their economics lectures. > > > >i've only just finished it so any > >ideas would be apreciated i have all > >most of what i could do has allready been done by > >Andrew Dean > > why bother then? A lot of websites start off as a project to enable the person to learn HTML or whatever it's called. I tried once, but fell at the first hurdle. It was going to be about the bombardment of Guernica, a sadly neglected topic in WWW land. Mind you, I know virtually nothing about it, so my intention was just to get a bit of practice in, in case I actually need it one day. The new website appears to be the result of a bit of leftover lemur space, so I applaud the author's attempt to make use of his time and space. In the future it might change completely and become something unique. It's inevitable that some things are repeated, otherwise a stray "surfer" wouldn't know what's going on. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Tue Oct 28 08:44:19 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:44:19 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Goodbye ... *sniff* Message-ID: <3455A5E3.A1507AC5@virgin.net> Hello everyone. This isn't a spam, it's an important message, so listen up. This message is probably going to be our last. The computer has finally died enough for us to not be able to rely on it. Umm, so basically we don't know what the hell is going to happen. If you need to mail us, please do so care of jeepster.uk at virgin.net . With regards to the Belle and Sebastian merchandise, anyone who has already placed orders, please give us a bit of time, while we try to work out a system. Katrina is going to collect all our mail at Jeepster, so your merchandise orders will still be processed, but they may take a little longer than expected. And as for the B&S fanclub and the websites ... well, they're currently in limbo until we find out what's going to happen. We have no idea how long this is going to take to get sorted (if it does at all), so please bear with us. If you need to get in contact urgently, please phone/fax us on 0181 560 1815 (reasonable hours only, please!). Alternatively, you can call Jeepster on 0181 964 9432, but again, only if it's urgent. We've got no idea how the hell we're going to get a new computer, but we'll try to keep you updated as to how things are going ... somehow. Until then ... David & Katrina alias lots of things including the B&S fanclub. -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 09:32:02 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:32:02 +0000 Subject: Sinister: fan club fund raisers References: <3455A5E3.A1507AC5@virgin.net> Message-ID: <3455B112.F94BA617@mail.zynet.co.uk> > The computer has finally > died enough for us to not be able to rely on > it. Umm, so basically we > don't know what the hell is going to happen. > > We've got no idea how the hell we're going to > get a new computer, but > we'll try to keep you updated as to how things > are going ... somehow. so, paul, how many people on the list? around 300? well how about if everyone chipped in, say, two quid or the equivalent thereof... then david and katrina could have a bit of dosh to get themselves a new (okay, maybe second hand, i dunno) computer, thereby enabling them to carry on their excellent and worthwhile tasks in honour of the Pop group we all love so much :-) Alternatively we could all send email to the band and tell them to syphon some of their profits to buying their fan club runners new equipment ;-) there must be SOME way we can all help out, surely?? keep the faith, the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Tue Oct 28 09:49:42 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:49:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: press release Message-ID: <0039600000458949000002L092*@MHS> brad: >hey. a couple months back or less a press release was >posted to the list for 3..6..9. the one where some member >of the band reckoned some song on the new e.p. sucked or >something to that effect. could whoever posted that, or if >anyone saved it, please repost it please. thanks. plaird: >Actually I didn't save the mail, but I was sent one of the >press releases, so here it comes: um, all the messages sent to this list are saved and available via the web. in fact, i'm reading this message off the web site seeing as my mail is pants at the moment. the url is in the trailier that gets appended to every single list message. unfortunately the archive is currently missing a search facility so it may take a bit of time to find what you're looking for but that's still gotta be less work than all that re-typing. (paul, i know someone who has written a hypermail search thing if you want one...) andy oh, and beth, it wasn't the american stalking police i called, it was the fbi. 8) hopefully normal service will be resumed today. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Mon Oct 27 20:40:17 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:40:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: tour diary part 5 Message-ID: <0039600000453867000002L072*@MHS> Hi. It's Richard. The best thing I like about New York is the taxis. They're great. And every time you jump into one you put your life in their hands. And none of the drivers speak English, which is great - so you don't have that boring shitty chat that you have with taxi drivers at home. It's magic. And they just drive like utter, utter, utter c***s which is great. The other thing i like is the food. Howard Johnsons's especially. What a place. Tremendous. Cheap as well. And you can drink cocktails while having breakfast which is... pretty much always a bonus. The city smells like shit, obviously. Not very nice at all. Probably better in the summer. But it's always good when you pass a nut stall, cause you always get a free smell, and three seconds later it smells of shit again. Some of the shops are nice, but it seems like every second shop is either an electrical store or diner, and I don't know what else you can do apart from buy watches and cameras and eat. I think the highlight for me is Howard Johnson's. And I'd like to come back here again in a little while cause I've met a lot of nice people. I'm not really into flying here or flying back though. But I suppose it's the only way. If someone could explain to me how planes stay up I'd be most grateful. Melody Maker, 18th October 1997 andy sigh. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 14:00:16 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 14:00:16 +0000 Subject: Sinister: re: press release - lazy git Message-ID: <199710281251.MAA07774@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> plaird: >Actually I didn't save the mail, but I was sent one of the >press releases, so here it comes: >um, all the messages sent to this list are saved and >available via the web. in fact, i'm reading this message off >the web site seeing as my mail is pants at the moment. the >url is in the trailier that gets appended to every single >list message. unfortunately the archive is currently missing >a search facility so it may take a bit of time to find what >you're looking for but that's still gotta be less work than >all that re-typing. (Andrew Dean) Sorry andy, but I've got my own scanner, and just OCR'd the press releases. The time consuming bit was editing the text (Omnipage can sometimes substitute the most unusual letters!) Was the LLPJ Press release posted to the list originally? I can only assume it was. Frankly I can't be arsed searching the archive, as I found myself getting nowhere the one and only time I tried. Sorry if I gave the impression I'm a sort of fanatic, I think typing that lot from scratch would have taken about an hour or more and I'm actually pretty lazy (but no line painter) to tell the truth. Byee! Paul "Go to work on an Egg" - THE EGG Marketing Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Tue Oct 28 14:23:15 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:23:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: tour diary part 7 Message-ID: <0039600000461458000002L082*@MHS> [stuart murdoch] Me and Neil and my friend Steve from Seattle went looking for the Largest Cathedral in America. Tom said it was anyway, but I thought he was getting mixed up, or I expected cathedrals to be really small in America. Because didn't all big cathedrals get built about the time of the Vikings? So we went up on the tube to 116th Street, and got lost a bit, and then we found it. It was the largest building I'd ever seen. The funny thing was that we were originally meant to play in this place. U2 would have trouble pulling it off in there. We could've played in the f***ing vestry! There was a 43 second reverb up the nave. The sound would have been like condensed soup. Nice place, though. I wandered in and out of the nine or so smaller chapels behind the alter. Chapels to Saint Columbus, Saint James, Saint some others. I had an ecclesiastical dump in the toilets which were through the cathedral shop. There was confessional graffiti in the bogs. I lost track of time a bit, and when i got out Neil and Steve had been waiting for some time. Neil told me that Steve didn't hang around in the cathedral. Although he liked it, he felt a bit strange being a fag in a holy place. We walked Steve to his hostel and then to his bus. At the stop Neil bought a vanilla sports shake. He said it was 'the very dorts' and we agreed. Me and Steve went to buy the same shake. We stood on the corner all drinking from the distinctive design of can, looking like three tubes. Everyone felt sick after for ages. We say Steve on to the bus, and he was sad because he had a good time, and we wouldn't see him again for ages. Also, he doesn't have a proper boyfriend in Seattle, so consequently he is always giving to people but never really taking. Melody Maker 18th October 1997 um, still no sign of part 5. oh um... andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From t.hopkins at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 15:26:00 1997 From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:26:00 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk Reissues Message-ID: <199710281430.OAA20748@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> Sorry this is now a little out of date, (and I wish I'd seen it before the weekend, duke, or we could have talked this one through over a couple of scoops) but I feel I need to clarify something regarding the popness/non-popness dimension of the Tigermilk reissue. So here goes: ---------- From: duke of harringay To: 'sinister at majordomo.net' Subject: Re: Sinister: Tigermilk Reissues Date: 24 October 1997 17:34 >i like the mythical quality of tigermilk remaining >unavailable (and NO i don't have a copy on vinyl >either...) , because actually i disagree with tim >about collectablity not being part of Pop. I >think it is... Hmmm. Now I would have thought that you of all people, sir duke, would have subscrbed to the more throwaway angle: that pop is about being cheap and great and (what was it?) throwaway pop tunes which you just want to keep forever. Of course I understand the joy of seeking out that great lost tune but I think that's a different and discrete impulse from the pure pop joy which I feel when I hear Belle and Sebastian. And I, of course, also understand the urge to _own_ your pop music, to build a world-view and a self around it, but I still don't think that justifies artificailly creating this kind of exclusivity in what I believe should be a fundamentally democratic medium. > However... i also think that Tigermilk >is a great record and deserves to be heard. Given >that there's a lot of growing interest in the >band, i think it should be given a 'real' airing >to the public Me too. Oh, me too. >, and i suspect that despite all the >comments from the band, it WILL come out, but only >when they think it's in their best interests for >it to happen. It's a juggling act.... keep it >back long enough to keep people talking and >hoping, then unleashing it when they feel at a >peak of publicity, or whatever. I don;t think it >will see the light of day until they get a '>charting' LP and mass interest in the press. >Then i can see full page ads pushing it as the >'great lost debut by belle & sebastian' or >somesuch. And that's fair enough, because that's >Pop too. Well, yes, kind of. Except that one of the (many) things which I cherish about this band is that they always seemed to want to (and, for once, seemed to be in the position to) tackle this music industry thing on their own terms. Now all of a sudden I'm expected to believe that it's OK to play so strictly by the rules. I'd love to see a little more in the way of imagina(c)tion going in to how it's to be presented, rather than falling so quickly into line with the way of thinking which ends up talking about 'great lost albums'. Which, surely, is classic canonical rock-speak. I'd like to think that this band, of all bands, find such language as stomach-turning as I do. And the point of all of this I will explain in a separate mail, because this one's long enough already. Lubricate yours TimH ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From t.hopkins at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 15:56:00 1997 From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:56:00 -0000 Subject: Sinister: why this is important Message-ID: <199710281501.PAA20925@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> The point of what I'm saying, the reason that I may be seeming a touch critical of B&S, is that I remember from ten years ago how many bands, artists, writers, whatever, were trying to make it on their own terms and never got anywhere near a mass audience. In so many ways, Belle and Sebastian feel like the band I've been waiting for for a decade, the fulfilment of all my pop dreams of the perfect fusion of songs and beauty and youth and so on and on. I might be being unfair but I have the highest hopes for them and I am desperate they don't blow it, blow this unique position they've found themselves in. They could be so important while taking a critical stance on the tainted music industry. Or they could be another brilliant band playing music that we love, by the rules. I'm sure they understand. Sign after sign, hint after hint show that they understand how important it could be to find a position of strength without the homogenising cultural muscle of the music industry. (A homogenising cultural muscle whose products I also enjoy, but would cherish an alternative to). I'm saying this now bedcause I love them, I'm saying it now because I don't want to be sad or angry in two years having been let down again, like I was (we were, eh duke?) with Hurrah! or the Smiths or so many others years ago. Doing my best to keep the faith. Yours in age TimH ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmf at xxx.net Tue Oct 28 15:45:41 1997 From: jmf at xxx.net (J M Forsyth) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:45:41 -0000 Subject: Sinister: why this is important Message-ID: <01bce3b8$8bbf7800$4a0181c2@JohnF.plc.psion.com> re: >I'm sure they understand. Sign after sign, hint after hint show that >they understand how important it could be to find a position of strength >without the homogenising cultural muscle of the music industry. (A >homogenising cultural muscle whose products I also enjoy, but would >cherish an alternative to). >I'm saying this now bedcause I love them, I'm saying it now because I >don't want to be sad or angry in two years having been let down again, >like I was (we were, eh duke?) with Hurrah! or the Smiths or so many >others years ago. 2 Questions: i) What is a homogenised cultural muscle? Is there a less pretentious term for this part of the anatomy? ii) Isn't this being-let-down-by-bands-and-populism thing (something that miraculously ceases to bother you when you give up reading the music press, by the by), if it has happened with what seem to be some of the bands you most like, as central a part of your enjoyment of pop as any other? rgds john. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Oct 28 15:11:45 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:11:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: tour diary part 7 References: <0039600000461458000002L082*@MHS> Message-ID: <345600B1.883E8D7A@colon.net.> Andrew Dean wrote: > [stuart murdoch] > > Me and Neil and my friend Steve from Seattle went looking > for the Largest Cathedral in America. Tom said it was > anyway, but I thought he was getting mixed up, or I > expected > cathedrals to be really small in America. Because didn't > all > big cathedrals get built about the time of the Vikings? So > > we went up on the tube to 116th Street, and got lost a > bit, > and then we found it. It was the largest building I'd ever > > seen. > The funny thing was that we were originally meant to play > in this place. U2 would have trouble pulling it off in > there. We could've played in the f***ing vestry! There was > a > 43 second reverb up the nave. > The sound would have been like condensed soup. > Nice place, though. I wandered in and out of the nine or > so smaller chapels behind the alter. Chapels to Saint > Columbus, Saint James, Saint some others. I had an > ecclesiastical dump in the toilets which were through the > cathedral shop. There was confessional graffiti in the > bogs. > I lost track of time a bit, and when i got out Neil and > Steve had been waiting for some time. Neil told me that > Steve didn't hang around in the cathedral. Although he > liked > it, he felt a bit strange being a fag in a holy place. > We walked Steve to his hostel and then to his bus. At the > stop Neil bought a vanilla sports shake. He said it was > 'the > very dorts' and we agreed. Me and Steve went to buy the > same > shake. We stood on the corner all drinking from the > distinctive design of can, looking like three tubes. > Everyone felt sick after for ages. > We say Steve on to the bus, and he was sad because he had > a good time, and we wouldn't see him again for ages. Also, > > he doesn't have a proper boyfriend in Seattle, so > consequently he is always giving to people but never > really > taking. > Well, more logs to the fire, or whatever it should be. The boy Murdoch is obviously a religious freak after all. This very nice tour diary extract has given me a good laugh, so it becomes fantastic B&S moment number 22. Andy Dean typing it out for the rest of us is number 23. Thanks. Number 24 is one that I forgot: "bloodygreat St. Bernard dog". Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From p.higgins at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 16:37:35 1997 From: p.higgins at xxx.uk (Peter Higgins) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:37:35 +0000 Subject: Sinister: random thoughts Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971028163735.0079d140@www.csm-li.co.uk> evening all, this is my first message to this list, so forgive any screw-ups. I'd just like to add my opinions to the whole issue of bands letting you down or screwing up or whatever. I too have very high hopes for BandS but there is a danger of forgetting that we are the fans and they are the band - let's face it, if they decide they wanna "sell out" that's really up to them. And if they decide they want to do a rock opera about Adolf Hitler (for example) then that's up to them too. Being a fan is great fun but also depressing - I remember being let down by the House of Love (selling out, re-releasing "Shine On"), The Auteurs (turning crap very quickly), and, yes, even The Smiths (signing to a major label - amazing how upsetting that seemed at the time...) But then think about someone like The Wedding Present, who followed their own rules, rather admirably, but still ended up, well, where, exactly? And think about the abominable nightmare that is Chumbawamba - big hit single for their nice new major label, but then let's face it, straight in at number thirty two for the next one, dropped by the label pretty damn sharpish, I would say... Anyway, I'm all in favour of worshipping belle and sebastian, cos I think they're fucking ace, but a little perspective comes in handy too - don't expect them to be perfect and don't be too disappointed when other people like them because of their fluke hit single or whatever else may happen in the future. Watching the progress of a band like this is very interesting, with all the potential pitfalls that lie in their way - how disappointed will we be when there's a TWO CD single, instead of an EP, or they turn up on some godawful kids tv show, or they make lots of money and move to Spain or something...? I hope that BandS are having fun right now, and earning enough to keep them off the streets, and I hope they like having the kind of fans they've got. Finally, apologies if I've rambled or sounded a tad patronising at times, but I'm making this up as I go along. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cc297 at xxx.ca Tue Oct 28 16:54:50 1997 From: cc297 at xxx.ca (Alvin de Leon) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:54:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: re: press release/ANDREW DEAN In-Reply-To: <0039600000458949000002L092*@MHS> Message-ID: I just got my copy of 3,6,9 Seconds of Light ep...and I'm happy =) Mr.Andrew Dean...my sister Maryann sent you messages but it keeps on bouncing back ...She wants to know if you have already mailed off the Field Mice tape.. later, - aL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ta4091 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 17:03:26 1997 From: ta4091 at xxx.uk (Dazza) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:03:26 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Re: promo ideas Message-ID: <5D924195D4F@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> > and just keep the records in the shops. went looking for > another copy of '3, 6, 9...' on saturday. easy to find i > thought - chart band and all that. except woolworth's use a > different chart from everyone else. whsmiths only seemed to > stock the top 20 and virgin just had a hole where number 32 > should've been. ok, it serves me right for living in such an > armpit of a place but... My local Our Price never had any copies of 3,6,9, to begin with. And they didn't get any when it went into the top 40 either, as they usually do. Not that I'd have bought it there anyway, given the choice, but still, it may be part of the reason why they didn't get a higher chart place, mightn't it? Dazza ************ You are wearing vinyl, and being morally persuaded he is wearing vinyl, she is wearing it, and their silhouette creates more of the same copious thing not far away, so we remember this corridor forever ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ta4091 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 17:13:32 1997 From: ta4091 at xxx.uk (Dazza) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:13:32 +0000 Subject: Sinister: She's Losing It Message-ID: <5D94F827FBE@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> The chords for She's Losing It give the lyrics for the second part of the chorus as "When the first cup of coffee clears the washing up..." but please reassure me, someone, that it actually goes "When the first cup of coffe tastes like washing up..." because that's what I think I hear and it's a great line! Dazza ************ You are wearing vinyl, and being morally persuaded he is wearing vinyl, she is wearing it, and their silhouette creates more of the same copious thing not far away, so we remember this corridor forever ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From t.hopkins at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 18:11:00 1997 From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:11:00 -0000 Subject: Sinister: why this is important Message-ID: <199710281717.RAA21799@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> re: 2 Questions: And some responses: >i) What is a homogenised cultural muscle? Is there a less pretentious term for this part of the anatomy? (a) I shall take the word pretentious as a compliment, for reasons which might not eb so complimentary. (b) I used the phrase homogenising cultural muscle to mean the power which the culture industries (and in this case music) seem to exercise to squeeze the best ideas out of the most interesting music and replace them with hackneyed, lowest-common-denominator ideas of what will _sell_,(meaning what has sold already). Not an absolute rule, but a general one. >ii) Isn't this being-let-down-by-bands-and-populism thing (something that miraculously ceases to bother you when you give up reading the music press, by the by), Thanks dad. I did stop reading the music press for a period of about five years, not that you were to know that, of course) and it didn't prevent my mistrust of the music business. Neither did it diminish my interest in the business's machinations. > if it has happened with what seem to be some of the bands you most like, as central a part of your enjoyment of pop as any other? No, not as central as any other. Interested as I am in what pop means and how it works, the central part of my enjoyment remains the things the noise does to me. Long may it remain so. Otherwise, I might as well be thinking about milk cartons. or whatever. But I think I see what you're getting at and yes, a pop group having a position of potential importance necessarily carries with it the risk of letting folks down (even when those folks have aspirations for the group which the group themselves never held or agreed with, ahem...). This risk certainly does bring with it something of a thrill and generates a feeling of trust which (were violation impossible) wouldn't be there. The Sex Pistols didn't rip the music industry apart (which they said they would) and thoroughly and consistently let their followers down. BUT, something of the energy and strangeness in that band inspired a generation to look for new ways to do things. Belle and Sebastian have already inspired that feeling in some people I know. I want that potential to have as wide and as large an effect as possible. That's all. Oh dear, I've probably bored you all stupid. Bad habit of mine. Chin Chin TimH ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Tue Oct 28 17:27:11 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:27:11 -0000 Subject: Sinister: why this is important Message-ID: <01BCE3C6.BA614D60@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Tim Hopkins wrote: >I'm saying this now bedcause I love them, I'm saying it now because I don't want to be sad or angry in two years having been let down again, like I was (we were, eh duke?) with Hurrah! or the Smiths or so many others years ago. It's easy to blame the demise on these bands (both of whom I was a big fan of - and still love a lot of their stuff) on their association with THE MAN, but surely it's not inconceivable that they just ran out of ideas, and would have gone down the pan anyway, regardless of whether they "sucked the corporate tit" (I think that's one of Matt Kaplan's?) or not. Somebody mentioned the Wedding Present in this regard. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Paul_Clarke at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 17:14:04 1997 From: Paul_Clarke at xxx.uk (Paul_Clarke at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:14:04 +0000 Subject: Sinister: B&S on TOTP Message-ID: <0001739A.1736@ipc.co.uk> Says in today's NME that Belle and Sebastian were invited onto TOTP last week... that's all I know because I've not read the "interview" yet, but according to Tommy Udo (I just heard him on XFM, he's not a personal friend or anything) it's a hilarious read... Pauly ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmf at xxx.net Tue Oct 28 17:53:39 1997 From: jmf at xxx.net (J M Forsyth) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:53:39 -0000 Subject: Sinister: why this is important Message-ID: <01bce3ca$6c482e60$4a0181c2@JohnF.plc.psion.com> >(b) I used the phrase homogenising cultural muscle to mean the power >which the culture industries (and in this case music) seem to exercise >to squeeze the best ideas out of the most interesting music and replace >them with hackneyed, lowest-common-denominator ideas of what will >_sell_,(meaning what has sold already). Not an absolute rule, but a >general one. Thank you, that is clearer. My difficulty was in determining whether you meant a culturally-homogenising muscle, or a muscle which, concomitant with (in spite of?) its homogenising powers, was 'cultured'; whether you meant the brain, or whether indeed the phrase was leaning towards being a specious form of phrasal verb. >>ii) Isn't this being-let-down-by-bands-and-populism thing (something >that >miraculously ceases to bother you when you give up reading the music >press, >by the by), > >Thanks dad. I did stop reading the music press for a period of about >five years, not that you were to know that, of course) and it didn't >prevent my mistrust of the music business. Neither did it diminish my >interest in the business's machinations. > >> if it has happened with what seem to be some of the bands you >most like, as central a part of your enjoyment of pop as any other? > >No, not as central as any other. Interested as I am in what pop means >and how it works, the central part of my enjoyment remains the things >the noise does to me. Long may it remain so. Otherwise, I might as well >be thinking about milk cartons... A fair piece of pedantry provoked by my poor phrasing. No, of course it's not as central as any other, but, so qualified, I still wonder whether or not what I'm suggesting has any truth - noise on most other mailing list contains the same anguish about the impending (or otherwise) popularity of the subject, despite the perceived uniqueness and superiority of each list's deity. On another note, I'd appreciate it if you took the foot off the pedal a little. The Internet is too regrettably reminiscent of a Wild West saloon - all calm and honky tonk, two seconds later everybody leaping into a brawl. Regards, John. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From chris.hall5 at xxx.net Mon Oct 27 20:11:22 1997 From: chris.hall5 at xxx.net (Chris Hall) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:11:22 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Boo change again ! Message-ID: <3454F56A.64A1@virgin.net> Sorry folks but Boo to the Business World ! has moved again due to ISP trouble. It is now at http://freespace.virgin.net/chris.hall5/index.htm cheers ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From chris.hall5 at xxx.net Tue Oct 28 18:34:17 1997 From: chris.hall5 at xxx.net (Chris Hall) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:34:17 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Boo change again ! Message-ID: <34563029.5202@virgin.net> Sorry folks but Boo to the Business World ! has moved again due to ISP trouble. It is now at http://freespace.virgin.net/chris.hall5/index.htm cheers ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 19:14:51 1997 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:14:51 GMT Subject: Sinister: fan club fund raisers In-Reply-To: <3455B112.F94BA617@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:32:02 +0000, duke of harringay said: << so, paul, how many people on the list? around 300? well how about if everyone chipped in, say, two quid or the equivalent thereof... then david and katrina could have a bit of dosh to get themselves a new (okay, maybe second hand, i dunno) computer, thereby enabling them to carry on their excellent and worthwhile tasks in honour of the Pop group we all love so much :-) >> Definately, whatever it takes....it makes so much difference to know what's *really* going on within the big wheels of the business where our heroes are concerned. Count me in.... Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics/Bacchanalian Revel homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 19:27:35 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:27:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: why this is important? In-Reply-To: <199710281501.PAA20925@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > In so many ways, Belle and Sebastian feel like the band I've been > waiting for for a decade, the fulfilment of all my pop dreams of the > perfect fusion of songs and beauty and youth and so on and on. I might > be being unfair but I have the highest hopes for them and I am desperate > they don't blow it, blow this unique position they've found themselves > in. They could be so important while taking a critical stance on the > tainted music industry. Or they could be another brilliant band playing > music that we love, by the rules. Important in what way? No band is ever going to change the way the music industry works, and frankly I don't see why they should. The important thing about music, the ONLY important thing for me, is what it sounds like. Now I don't particularly like having to wade through hoards of Take That / Spice Girls bandwagon-jumpers every time I turn on the radio; but the fact is that that is what people want to hear. That's why I rarely listen to daytime radio. Personally I would rather hear more variety, but not just variety for the sake of it; I want variety so that I can find more music that I can love, music that moves me. B&S do that, and so now I'm on the lookout for similar music in the hope that it may have the same effect on me. If B&S "sell out" (spit spit) by actually achieving something in the music business, and get to the upper end of the charts, we'll get other bands trying to make similar (but probably not identical) music (maybe there are some already, they just haven't had the exposure yet which would surely come if B&S made it big); surely that has to be a good thing? After all, many bands have tries to copy the Smiths (Gene anyone?), but with various variations, and the result can't be all bad, can it? I want as many people as possible to hear B&S music; many of them won't like it, but if (and I'm sure there would be) some people get the same kind of kick out of it as we all have, the world will be a (marginally) better place. This doesn't mean having 2 different CDs for each single to artificially inflate the sales figures (and the marketing men's egos), because then people who only buy one of the CDs will not get the chance to hear all the material; but it does mean making things that are released as widely available as possible, and releasing as much as possible (including Tigermilk), and maybe even (shock horror) doing a decent number of gigs, including supporting other bands. Let us all go forth and spread the word - I'm sure most of us do already - about B&S, because then more and more people will get to hear these wonderful refrains, and we can spread a little happiness into the world. Let's make B&S popular. But then, that would be "selling out", wouldn't it? Stuart G (Not even using words like homogenising...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Tue Oct 28 20:17:59 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:17:59 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: re: press release In-Reply-To: <0039600000458949000002L092*@MHS> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Andrew Dean wrote: > (paul, i know someone who has written a hypermail search > thing if you want one...) [COPIED TO THE LIST SO ANDY "PANTS MAIL" CAN READ IT FROM THE ARCHIVE] do do do do... yes send it me or his email address and I will use it willingly if it looks neat and is easy. I won't be able to do it just now mind, as I'm coughing up phlegm just now. Sorry. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From madelain-jp at xxx.fr Tue Oct 28 21:42:43 1997 From: madelain-jp at xxx.fr (Jean-Philippe Madelaine) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:42:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: fan club fund raisers Message-ID: <01bce3ea$6c45d6e0$a20f65c3@infonie> You can count me in too. If you enough answers (just two for the moment), tell me what to do... JPhilippe -----Message d'origine----- De : duke of harringay � : sinister Date : mardi 28 octobre 1997 10:49 Objet : Sinister: fan club fund raisers >> The computer has finally >> died enough for us to not be able to rely on >> it. Umm, so basically we >> don't know what the hell is going to happen. >> >> We've got no idea how the hell we're going to >> get a new computer, but >> we'll try to keep you updated as to how things >> are going ... somehow. > >so, paul, how many people on the list? around >300? well how about if everyone chipped in, say, >two quid or the equivalent thereof... then david >and katrina could have a bit of dosh to get >themselves a new (okay, maybe second hand, i >dunno) computer, thereby enabling them to carry on >their excellent and worthwhile tasks in honour of >the Pop group we all love so much :-) > >Alternatively we could all send email to the band >and tell them to syphon some of their profits to >buying their fan club runners new equipment ;-) > >there must be SOME way we can all help out, >surely?? > >keep the faith, > >the duke > > >-- >Tangents On-Line >http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ >Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK > >tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >.. 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 21:56:42 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:56:42 +0000 Subject: Sinister: fan club fund raisers References: <01bce3ea$6c45d6e0$a20f65c3@infonie> Message-ID: <34565F9A.BB7B4911@mail.zynet.co.uk> Jean-Philippe Madelaine wrote: > You can count me in too. If you enough answers > (just two for the moment), > tell me what to do... well i'm not going to keep repeating the idea, but i don't mind suggesting this: anyone who DOES feel like maybe chipping in a couple of quid to help out David and Katrina, maybe you could mail them a cheque or a couple of well concealed coins with a note saying something like: 'here's a couple of quid, it ain't much, but if everyone on the fabbo b&s list does this you might get a new computer so that you continue to do such a spiffing jop with the fan club. cheers!' and then sign it. And stick it in an envelope with a stamp and address it to: Belle and Sebastian, PO Box 14153, London SW11 4XU, England. That's the address they have on the web site anyway :-) Of course this is only going to be useful if a fair percentage of listmembers chip in, but hey... i'm gonna do it tomorrow morning. Because i think they're worth it :-) keep the faith, the duke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From kake.angerson at xxx.net Tue Oct 28 15:38:19 1997 From: kake.angerson at xxx.net (kake.angerson at xxx.net) Date: Tue Oct 28 15:38:19 1997 Subject: Sinister: New E-Mail Address Notification Message-ID: <19971028223822.29437.qmail@pop01.netaddress.usa.net> Update your records! Customer KATE ANDERSON has recently obtained a new e-mail address from NET at DDRESS a service of USA.NET. You can now reach this person via e-mail at kake.angerson at usa.net. This change is effective immediately. If you would like to e-mail KATE ANDERSON right now, simply reply to this e-mail message. Also make sure to note this address for future use. If you have questions about NET at DDRESS or problems with this letter, please contact us directly at service at usa.net Please update your records with this new e-mail address. Sincerely, NET at DDRESS, a product of USA.NET http://www.netaddress.usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Tue Oct 28 23:09:52 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:09:52 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: mmm... tastes like spam In-Reply-To: <199710272314.XAA19736@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, plaird wrote: > I'm sorry, but isn't this just spam?. I didn't see the original posting hit the list - sure it wasn't just to yourself or another list? Let's just say that spamming will not be tolerated for long - this list is for B&S discussion and ridiculous spins thereon. I'm sure you all know what that means! But let's take this sort of discussion offline - just mail me about it direct. To whoever asked: we are now 314 strong. Steadily rising with occasional dips when people get grumpy. For Nicole: happy bunny still? Yes I will add it for a trial period :) Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MWaggner at xxx.com Wed Oct 29 06:33:21 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 01:33:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: random thoughts Message-ID: <971028235708_-1259038160@emout09.mail.aol.com> All this talk about bands selling out and / or turning to crap -- I don't know... I think sometimes we fans forget that, in addition to being "artists," performers are also going about their "jobs." This is what they've chosen to make their living at and they have to pay for a home & food like the rest of us. Maybe they don't want to keep doing gigs at night and working all day at a crap job to keep body & soul together -- so they try to expand the fan base a bit (no matter how loyal and rabid a small group of fans may be, they're only able to purchase a small number of recordings and tickets). And let's not forget the "ego" of the artist. Not the "ego-mania" type of thing, but just the ability to do or create something that you believe people will want to see or hear. Certainly someone who gets up on a stage, or who records their music for sale, has a certain amount of "ego" or desire to be heard. Else they'd be sitting up in their attic like Emily Dickenson writing out lyrics on little pieces of paper and tying them up with ribbon. If you feel you have something to say it's natural that you want to say it to as large a number of people who will enjoy or understand it as possible. You can't fault an artist for trying to make a living out of something as fickle as catching the interest of the public for a time. It could all disappear in a moment. I believe some people "sell-out," but I think they meant to all along, and you can almost see it coming from the start. It wasn't about creation, but about marketing or whatever. Everyone has their favorite examples. But you can't accuse every talented band that hits big through that twist of fate or of being in the right place at the right time of "selling out." Or for trying to maximize their "profit" while they can. Some artists create crap from day one. Some create beautiful things for a time and then, sadly, just lose the spark that enabled them to create beauty. It's certainly sadder for the artist than for the fan, I would imagine. I say, give them all a break. Every one of them. Be glad for what they gave you when they did. And wish that B&S get their dream, -- fame, fortune, relative obscurity -- whatever it might be. (Sorry -- I just felt like defending the world tonight) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aadam at xxx.com Wed Oct 29 07:05:12 1997 From: aadam at xxx.com (Aadam ) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 02:05:12 -0500 Subject: Sinister: More Tmilk crap References: Message-ID: <3456E028.932@interaccess.com> superbob wrote: > incidentally, i remember back in '92 the boo radleys were supposed to re-release their first "hard to find" album, and here it is almost 1998 and no sign of it < There's no comparison though. I'm fortunate enough to own that Boo record (_Ichabod & I_), and it doesn't hold a candle to _Everything's Alright..._and_Giant Steps_. While _Tigermilk_ is a "must-have" for everyone. Sometimes bands get better, sometimes they start great. Aadam ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Oct 29 10:11:19 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:11:19 +0000 Subject: Sinister: why this is important? References: Message-ID: <34570BC7.7041DDDB@mail.zynet.co.uk> Stuart Gardiner wrote: > > In so many ways, Belle and Sebastian feel like > the band I've been > > waiting for for a decade, the fulfilment of > all my pop dreams of the > > perfect fusion of songs and beauty and youth > and so on and on. I might > > be being unfair but I have the highest hopes > for them and I am desperate > > they don't blow it, blow this unique position > they've found themselves > > in. They could be so important while taking a > critical stance on the > > tainted music industry. Or they could be > another brilliant band playing > > music that we love, by the rules. > > Important in what way? No band is ever going to > change the way the music > industry works, and frankly I don't see why they > should. no, but you might see why they should WANT to, yes? From a Political point of view... > The important > thing about music, the ONLY important thing for > me, is what it sounds > like. well see my post about 'selling out to majors' for part of my views on this one. It's just i think in amazingly different terms to you, and i think that when you talk about art, you're NOT talking about just the way it sounds, or looks, you're inevitably going to be thinking about a host of different factors, simply by the fact that your life is not amazingly simplistic. I agree that for a moment you might be just thinking and feeling 'it sounds fucking great', but after that.. what? If you just let it go, i dunno... i don't think you can, because there's always the moment, the fact of hearing it and feeling. There's the scent of the sea, or the sunlight on the autumn leaves, or the distant sound of fireworks. Anything. Everything else in life is intrinsically tied to your moment of that music, and it's no longer 'just' the sounds of music. And am i being pretentious? I hope so :-) > Now I don't particularly like having to wade > through hoards of Take > That / Spice Girls bandwagon-jumpers every time > I turn on the radio; but > the fact is that that is what people want to > hear. arguable one this. because are we hearing what 'we' want to hear or are we hearing what media and business want us to hear, or in other words what they want us to buy? > That's why I rarely > listen to daytime radio. well i just don't listen because i don't have the time and frankly i'd rather listen to the sounds of birds and traffic passing, or overheard conversations :-) > Personally I would rather hear more variety, but > > not just variety for the sake of it; I want > variety so that I can find > more music that I can love, music that moves me. but you won't be moved by it so much if you hear it on the 'populist' radio because it's no longer difficult to find. I maintain that part of the beauty of the musics that 'we' like is the relative obscurity, the fact that actually we probably have to work pretty hard to get it, find it, whatever. If it's easy we often just don't bother. I don't mean this to sound snobbish or whatever, it's just more to do with the thrill of the expedition than the discovery itself. (and i'm generalising of course!) > I'm on the lookout for similar music in the hope > that it may have the same > effect on me. ah, but this is what i found so special about B&S, the very fact that i'd kind of given up hoping that such music WOULD affect me in this way. I maintain that although the sonic qualities have a lot to do with it, the thing that makes me feel this way is actually indefinable. I don't want to be spiritual, but Harry Smith said, 'something was directing it, it wasn't arbitrary, and there was some kind of what you might call God'. Well i think maybe Stuart would go along with that, but i dunno. All i know is that there's this mythical It that makes us each respond in some possibly spiritual way to different sounds, and images. And if we take it too literally we never find the same effect. > we'll get other bands trying to make similar > (but probably not > identical) music (maybe there are some already, > they just haven't had the > exposure yet which would surely come if B&S made > it big); surely that has > to be a good thing? After all, many bands have > tries to copy the Smiths > (Gene anyone?), but with various variations, and > the result can't be all > bad, can it? or can it? how many bands trailed along on the coat-tails of the smiths? how many were even approaching any good? how many made you feel the way smiths did? And yet they 'sounded' similar. But they didn't have It. Go on, try and define what was different in very precise terms... (this is where someone goes all scientifically musical on me and lists thinsg like usage of minor chords and f sharps and all sorts, to which i then go 'blah') > hear all the material; but it does mean making > things that are released > as widely available as possible, and releasing > as much as possible > (including Tigermilk), and maybe even (shock > horror) doing a decent number > of gigs, including supporting other bands. i like the idea of off-shoot things though, like the limited Nurse With Wound/Stereolab single for example. I think it's important that bands don't treat all their releases in the same way. As for 'supporting' other bands, well they did do the dates with Tindersticks. > Let us all go forth and spread the word - I'm > sure most of us do already - > about B&S, because then more and more people > will get to hear these > wonderful refrains, and we can spread a little > happiness into the world. > Let's make B&S popular. But then, that would be > "selling out", wouldn't > it? you're painting people's definitions of the phrase 'selling out'. Some people might see it like you suggest they do, but others don't. I'm out there proclaiming the greatness and magic of Belle & Sebastian as much as the next person, but i think that 'selling out' would be to start giving concessions to the media and record company bosses, not spreading the word and getting people to buy their records. I think Tim misunderstood about what i said about Tigermilk too, i was saying that i could SEE that happening, not that i wanted it to. I was kind of being cynical, assuming, unkindly perhaps, that b&s will end up like our other hopes, capitulating to the record company whims and wishes. And assuming unduly i hope... > (Not even using words like homogenising...) i always had a problem with that word! it was only recently that i started to get a grip on what it meant. Same with 'juxtaposition', i remember when i was doing architecture at uni, just started as a fresh faced first year, and someone was saying 'the juxtaposition of forms' and i though hey that sounds cool, so i said it too and i didn't have a clue what it meant :-) The i found out and it all made sense. I think i used a what do you call it? A dictionary ;-) Sorry for the sarcasm there, it comes of too much teaching. again, sorry for the length of this one folks. Or the two folks that read it. Hi Tim. keep the faith, the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Oct 29 10:20:52 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:20:52 +0000 Subject: Sinister: clubs, pubs and glory References: <3453af67.173018@email.mcmail.com> <3453BFAC.BFF4C972@mcmail.com> Message-ID: <34570E04.13B91711@mail.zynet.co.uk> > Really? I heard it was good but I didn't know > they played B&S... well > maybe one Saturday then... except it's > frequented by a bloke I'm trying > to avoid so maybe not... any other clubs play > "The" band, out of > interest? we play them in The Living Room sometimes, but only unreleased tracks of course because we're cooler than everyone else. the duke of exculsivity -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Oct 29 10:18:50 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:18:50 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Another great idea - not -not References: Message-ID: <34570D8A.DA98C864@mail.zynet.co.uk> Klas Ericsson wrote: > About the promoideas: > > I ´m in it for the extra CD idea. But maybe not > Tigermilk - how about a dub > verison of "Slow Grafitti" (title of the next > album, eh?) instead, just > like Primal Screams "Echo Dek". How lovely > wouldn´t a dub version of "Sleep > the clock around" turn out? Or a drum n´bass > version. yeah, a d'n'b remix by the ubiquitous Photek perhaps!? Or Goldie, or Boymerang. yawn. Personally i'd go for getting MAtrix to have a go, but that's just my humblest of humble opinions, and i realise that 90% of you haven't a clue what i'm on about so i'll shut up. > Or perhaps a genuine > country version featuring Johnny Cash... Or > Willie Nelson... or Merle Haggard! Is Merle still of this earth? Anyone know? Tim perhaps? Have you heard his 'If We Make It Through December'? It's a fucking glorious song that will make you weep. Now, B&S doing THAT would be fantastic. Maybe they could do a shared EP, doing versions of each other's songs (Buddah On The Moon and The Steinbecks did this to good effect). > Coolest of all: A crooner version. Maybe B&S > could hire in Scott Walker. > Think about the great man starting to sing "Now > listen sonny...". Vibrato > heaven! or Jack Jones! My mum likes Jack Jones :-) > Sorry. Had a bad weekend:-) sounds like a great weekend to me :-) > Next competition: Most unlikely artist to cover > Belle And Sebastian. > How about that? Thunder. (both the rock and drum'n'bass versions...) all thought out. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Oct 29 09:35:04 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:35:04 +0000 Subject: Sinister: selling out to majors References: <971028235708_-1259038160@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <34570347.769E9493@mail.zynet.co.uk> MWaggner at aol.com wrote: > I believe some people "sell-out," but I think > they meant to all along, and > you can almost see it coming from the start. this kind of reminds me of something Lawrence of Felt (oh, and Denim if you insist, Peter) once said, i think actually in specific reference to Hurrah! after they (or Kitchenware) signed with the Big Record Company and released 'tell God I'm Here'. The music press were claiming ridiculous things like Hurrah! being the 'last great rock band' or someting, whilst all the 'original fans' were weeping into their beers about how Hurrah! shouldn't be about rock at all, and how they'd 'sold out'. Anyway, Lawrence simply said that when a band signs to a Major ('me and the major' might take on a new slant, perhaps?) they have the chance to sound 'how they always wanted to' but couldn't afford to on an 'indie'. I often wonder how much truth there is in this. I also remember talking about East Village with Peter Williams of 'Baby Honey' fanzine, and him saying, well yes, East Village are nice blokes and all that, but they DON'T feel any bonds of intent with the groups that we, as fanzine writers, were imagining. They were 'just' going their own way and making their own records. All that said, i think it's the 'job' of journalists, writers, other artists, 'fans' to observe, criticise, cast their own hopes and dreams onto a Pop group, to make the associations that may or may not be implied by the group itself. This is how Pop works... it doesn't work in that vacuum that some people have suggested. It's NOT about just music. I don't think it exists in the kind of way wee Chris seems to suggests either, like how you never pick up on a band or artist through written words in a paper or fanzine or whatever. Greatest respect and all that (cos Chris has a mean taste in the fashion stakes, after all), but i think that's bullshit. I know for a fact that some of my all time favourite bands i heard about first in words in fanzines, and sometimes in the Big Bad music press. And it was the effusive writing of the journalist or writer that made me want to hear the group. I mean, who can deny that Nik Cohn's 'Awopbopaloopbop...' is not infectious Pop writing that makes you want to go hear Little Richard?! Or that Lester Bangs going on about Astral Weeks doesn't make you want to go out and check it yourself (it did me!). Or Kevin Pearce's awesome and inspiring 'Something BEginning With O' makes you want to discover The Action, Creation, Godard and the mythic Dexys? I could go on... Matt Haynes 'Are You Scared To Get Happy' and Kevin's 'Hungry Beat' fanzines. Inspirational, thrillling fanzines that turned me onto some truly great Pop. Or Morley and McCulloch in Sounds and MM in the 80s. Biba Kopf even for a lot of people. i think if we start thinking about the artists as 'just' artists then we miss out on a lot. in fact i think maybe we miss out on some essence of what makes them mean something to us in the first place. You need to claim art for yourself. As soon as a piece of work for 'public consumption' is released, be it a Pop song, architecture or software or whatever, it's down to the individual 'consumer' or user, to interpret it, apply it, use and abuse it in whatever way they see fit. What Belle & Sebastian might do, it seems to me, is actually create a situation where much of this right to abuse and adapt their art to the needs of the user is left intact, is manipulated as little as possible by the intermediary delivery service (the Record Label and the Media). Okay, i wittered on too much as usual. Sorry if i bored you all. keep the faith, the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 29 12:05:46 1997 From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?stephen_trouss=E9?=) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:05:46 -0000 Subject: Sinister: NME article Message-ID: <199710291211.MAA12549@orange.easynet.co.uk> I've just the read the NME feature and it's a rum old do. Essentially, James Oldham goes up to Glasgow and finds that none of the band particularly wants to be photographed and they're even less keen on being interviewed. The article details the journalist's growing exasparation, concluding as follows: "From afar, their success looks like a triumph for principled actions, up close it looks like an accident of bad behaviour. After all, here is a band who seem to object to doing interviews and photographs simply because they can't be bothered rather than because of any radical manifesto. It's hardly punk rock is it? Still it's their prerogative." I don't think the band come out of it particularly well, and it seems like this kind of thing is likely to happen more and more as they become increasingly successful. And if the band don't want to do interviews, the press is going to run the articles anyway, rehashing all this stuff about them being truculent, un-cooperative gits. Is there any way out of this ? I remember Dexys used to take out adverts instead of doing interviews, but it does seem to smack of paranoia... Stephen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ The Poetry Society Website http://www.poetrysoc.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From msrx7jg2 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 29 20:32:34 1997 From: msrx7jg2 at xxx.uk (msrx7jg2 at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:32:34 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Gigs Message-ID: <34579D62.4390@stud.man.ac.uk> Does anyone know what? where? when? as regards the B&S gigs in Manchester? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Wed Oct 29 12:40:37 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Eeyore) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:40:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: My top ten Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971029124037.00681e54@student.let.uva.nl> > the only b&s song i >don't love is "lazy line painter jane" (i actually like the >song lots, just not what happens to it when monica queen sings) I know the feeling. You'll be happy to hear that there's a Radio One Session version where the second vocal is sung by Isobel! It's quite good but the instrumental is better in the original version. I'm not sure if it's actually been on Radio One yet though..... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Wed Oct 29 12:49:43 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Eeyore) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:49:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Saturday Superstore Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971029124943.006760d0@student.let.uva.nl> >Can anyone tell me what "This Life" is? I see it referred to >a lot, but I don't know what it is. I know what "This is >Your Life" is. > I can! It's kind of a reality-soap-drama-programme which was on the BBC last year. It's about the lives and loves of a group of young lawyers (all twenty-somethings) who share a flat in London. I don't think it's on at the moment, but I hope there will be at some point, 'cos it was really good. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Wed Oct 29 13:03:57 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Eeyore) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:03:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Fox In The Street.... Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971029130357.0068e7c0@student.let.uva.nl> Here's my favourite B&S moment, from the time I was living in London, last year: It was a Saturday night and I'd been clubbing, so it was pretty late. I walked back from the tube station (in East London), tired but happy, because I'd had a good night and my Walkman was playing "Sinister". I started walking down my street and suddenly in the street lights I saw a fox! I stopped and watched it for a while, and it must have noticed me then, because it looked up at me. It didn't run away. We stood there watching each other for a while, then it scuttled off again, between the parked cars, and crossed the street to the park. If only it had been snowing...... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Wed Oct 29 13:16:13 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Eeyore) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:16:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sorted for vids.... Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971029131613.00680210@student.let.uva.nl> Hello, Can anyone tell me what the new B&S video is like? I've now seen 2 seconds of it on Hit List UK as they wouldn't play it (not even in the 2-hour version on Sunday!). I've been sitting next to the tv, all ready to tape it, but in vain.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From goldenboy at xxx.net Wed Oct 29 13:44:55 1997 From: goldenboy at xxx.net (jason sweeney) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:44:55 +1000 Subject: Sinister: NME article In-Reply-To: <199710291211.MAA12549@orange.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971029234455.006c4d50@mail.adelaide.on.net> >"From afar, their success looks like a triumph for principled actions, up >close it looks like an accident of bad behaviour. After all, here is a band >who seem to object to doing interviews and photographs simply because they >can't be bothered rather than because of any radical manifesto. It's hardly >punk rock is it? Still it's their prerogative." and it is. it's all about an angle for the journalist. "ooh, lets see what kind of dirt we can fling at the talent cos i've got to protect the fact the fact that i don't possess any...". which may be slightly unfair, and not actually an intentional general swipe at music journalism, but b&s are more attractive to me for their mysteriousness ... um, portishead seem to do similar things ... in fact, may bands are forced into that position of anonymity ... b&s maintain their sophistication and it's just their way of dealing with the "other" aspect of making music and the gaining of POPularity. > I >remember Dexys used to take out adverts instead of doing interviews, but it >does seem to smack of paranoia... > paranoics of the world unite. unite and take over. jason xo _____________________________ --thus ends--> another pleasurecraft transmission gpo box 1569 adelaide sa 5001 australia "and the author dedicates this... to a century of fakers" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmf at xxx.net Wed Oct 29 13:14:43 1997 From: jmf at xxx.net (J M Forsyth) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:14:43 -0000 Subject: Sinister: My top ten Message-ID: <01bce46c$9ef52c80$4a0181c2@JohnF.plc.psion.com> -----Original Message----- From: Eeyore To: sinister at majordomo.net Date: 29 October 1997 13:07 Subject: Re: Sinister: My top ten > > >> the only b&s song i >>don't love is "lazy line painter jane" (i actually like the >>song lots, just not what happens to it when monica queen sings) > >I know the feeling. You'll be happy to hear that there's a Radio One Session >version where the second vocal is sung by Isobel! It's quite good but the >instrumental is better in the original version. >I'm not sure if it's actually been on Radio One yet though..... > That's uplifting news - it always makes me cringe, and if I'd heard it before any other B&S stuff I would have written them off as sub-Deacon Blue. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From goldenboy at xxx.net Wed Oct 29 14:03:59 1997 From: goldenboy at xxx.net (jason sweeney) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:03:59 +1000 Subject: Sinister: My top ten In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971029124037.00681e54@student.let.uva.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971030000359.006bfdac@mail.adelaide.on.net> At 13:40 29/10/97 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > >> the only b&s song i >>don't love is "lazy line painter jane" (i actually like the >>song lots, just not what happens to it when monica queen sings) > >I know the feeling. me too! i was really disappointed and kind of taken aback with the big voice which, yep, lost all subtlety! why couldn't they just let isobel sing it? and who is monica queen -- forgive me, i'm in australia. which means you'll have to forgive me for a lot. jason xo. _____________________________ --thus ends--> another pleasurecraft transmission gpo box 1569 adelaide sa 5001 australia "and the author dedicates this... to a century of fakers" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Wed Oct 29 13:47:43 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Eeyore) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:47:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: fan club fund raisers Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971029134743.0067ed48@student.let.uva.nl> ><< so, paul, how many people on the list? around >300? well how about if everyone chipped in, say, >two quid or the equivalent thereof... then david >and katrina could have a bit of dosh to get >themselves a new (okay, maybe second hand, i >dunno) computer, thereby enabling them to carry on >their excellent and worthwhile tasks in honour of >the Pop group we all love so much :-) >> > >Definately, whatever it takes....it makes so much difference to know >what's *really* going on within the big wheels of the business where our >heroes are concerned. > >Count me in.... > >Mike And me! Ninette >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics/Bacchanalian Revel >homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Wed Oct 29 15:28:36 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:28:36 GMT Subject: Sinister: Another great idea - not -not -not? Message-ID: The Duke wrote: Is Merle still of this earth? >Anyone know? Tim perhaps? Have you heard his 'If >We Make It Through December'? It's a fucking >glorious song that will make you weep. Now, B&S >doing THAT would be fantastic. Maybe they could >do a shared EP, doing versions of each other's >songs (Buddah On The Moon and The Steinbecks did >this to good effect). - What I know he´s still alive and kicking. Think I saw an ad for a concert in some American musicpaper while I was in NYC. I wrote >> Coolest of all: A crooner version. Maybe B&S >> could hire in Scott Walker. >> Think about the great man starting to sing "Now >> listen sonny...". Vibrato >> heaven! The Duke answered; >or Jack Jones! My mum likes Jack Jones :-) - We all like Jack, don´t we... But: Why not Bobby Paris? Then we would have a crooner northern soul-version. But then.. is Bobby Paris still alive? To Jacques: Thanks for the article! It proved that my french was worse than I thought, but I´ll not give up:-) How much is a subscription to Les Inrockuptibles? ///Klas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Wed Oct 29 15:31:45 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:31:45 GMT Subject: Sinister: the land of the lost compos Message-ID: Hi! What happenend to the compo competition. No winners yet? Just wondering... Best wishes, Klas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Wed Oct 29 13:44:06 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:44:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: NME article Message-ID: <0039600000471358000002L082*@MHS> um, nme article (at least what i've read of it so far) made me think (worryingly) of the huggy bear thing where they turned their backs on the music press and got crucified for it. see also: morrissey. don't the mags realise that interviews / photo sessions eat up a lot of time and not everyone's comfortable doing them? didn't they here the radio one interview from last week (where chris said that going in the nme was pointless)? has anyone else read eno's diary where he insists on being paid for a WiReD interview on the grounds that it was, like, a day of his life that could've been spent doing better things? um, can someone ocr the article, it's too long for me to type. i actually liked the goldie / krs1 / boymerang remix btw duke. would've prefered it if it had the original version on there too instead of that other nonsense. looking forward to the roni size / photek thing too (see roni size on that radio 1 evening the other week? was very strange. drum 'n' bass (ish) with real drummer and a double bass). b-side of new propellerheads 12" is cool btw. can anyone name me a bad record with sonar beeps in it? >Mr.Andrew Dean...my sister Maryann sent you messages >but it keeps on bouncing back ...She wants to know if >you have already mailed off the Field Mice tape.. ah, at least there's some benefit in having a write only mailbox... it went off sometime last night. why? andy koogybelbbog at yahoo.com for one week only ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Wed Oct 29 15:33:38 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 15:33:38 +0000 Subject: Sinister: fan club fund raisers Message-ID: <199710291424.OAA00915@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> The Duke wrote 28/10/97: >anyone who DOES feel >like maybe chipping in a couple of quid to help >out David and Katrina, maybe you could mail them a >cheque or a couple of well concealed coins with a >note saying something like: 'here's a couple of >quid, it ain't much, but if everyone on the fabbo >b&s list does this you might get a new computer so >that you continue to do such a spiffing jop with >the fan club. cheers!' and then sign it. And >stick it in an envelope with a stamp and address >it to: Belle and Sebastian, PO Box 14153, London >SW11 4XU, England. That's the address they have on >the web site anyway :-) >Of course this is only going to be useful if a >fair percentage of listmembers chip in, but hey... >i'm gonna do it tomorrow morning. Because i think >they're worth it :-) I'm for this idea, but to throw a spanner in the works, wouldn't there be a problem with foreign currency, cheques and suchlike?. Maybe only a third of the listers are UK resident (and possibly of a lurking persuasion) and small amounts from abroad may be impractical. I think we'll have to work something out since, I regard David & Katrina as an integral part of the list, almost as important as Paul (Mitchell). They must be saved! Keith - Where are you this week? Byee, Paul (Laird) PS. - The best way to conceal your coins is to cut coin-shaped holes in an envelope-sized piece of cardboard then tape coins into the holes. Post the lot and the Postperson won't have to worry about stray metal discs destroying the sorting machines. "Go to work on an Egg" - THE EGG Marketing Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From goldenboy at xxx.net Wed Oct 29 14:59:26 1997 From: goldenboy at xxx.net (jason sweeney) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:59:26 +1000 Subject: Sinister: Fox In The Street.... In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971029130357.0068e7c0@student.let.uva.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971030005926.006a6b44@mail.adelaide.on.net> At 14:03 29/10/97 +0100, Eeyore wrote: >Here's my favourite B&S moment, from the time I was living in London, last year: >It was a Saturday night and I'd been clubbing, so it was pretty late. I >walked back from the tube station (in East London), tired but happy, because >I'd had a good night and my Walkman was playing "Sinister". I started >walking down my street and suddenly in the street lights I saw a fox! I >stopped and watched it for a while, and it must have noticed me then, >because it looked up at me. It didn't run away. We stood there watching each >other for a while, then it scuttled off again, between the parked cars, and >crossed the street to the park. >If only it had been snowing...... wow, that is so fantastically romantic. i wish i'd been on the street with you ... jason xo _____________________________ --thus ends--> another pleasurecraft transmission gpo box 1569 adelaide sa 5001 australia "and the author dedicates this... to a century of fakers" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From t.hopkins at xxx.uk Wed Oct 29 14:36:04 1997 From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:36:04 -0000 Subject: Sinister: why this is important? Message-ID: <199710291437.OAA29408@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> -----Original Message----- From: duke of harringay [SMTP:tangent at xxx.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 10:11 AM To: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Re: Sinister: why this is important? >but you won't be moved by it so much if you hear it on the 'populist' radio because it's no longer difficult to find. I maintain that part of the beauty of the musics that 'we' like is the relative obscurity, the fact that actually we probably have to work pretty hard to get it, find it, whatever. If it's easy we often just don't bother. I don't mean this to sound snobbish or whatever, it's just more to do with the thrill of the expedition than the discovery itself. (and i'm generalising of course!) I do know what you mean about this but I think that there's a lot to be said for straightahead commercial pop music as entertainment. It's just a different kind of pop thrill to the one you get when you find some unheard of gem and set out to tell the world about it. I love that latest Janet Jackson single, for example, but to expect it to mean to me what 'Expectations' does is like asking Coronation Street to be The Graduate or something. Different fun. But yeah, as Tom waits once said, the obsession's in the chasing and not the apprehending... ah, but this is what i found so special about B&S, the very fact that i'd kind of given up hoping that such music WOULD affect me in this way. Me too. I genuinely believed I had grown too old and fat and cynical and so the pleasure in finding Belle and Sebastian was immense. And so I also end up transferring to them my hopes and dreams for the perfect pop group. A pop group who can inspire the kind of creativity which the Sex Pistols did. As I said in my previous post, this is probably unfair and expecting too much. But, BUT, I know how far pop music has inspired me to look at my own life as something more than time to be filled in before it all ends, I know how far pop has helped me to try to be creative in the way I act and think and feel. And I know that pop can do this on a massive scale (it just so happens that most of the bands which did these things for me happen to have been deep, deep underground). And I think that B&S have the potential to be such a band. Which is why I'm desperate to see them do everything they can to take that chance, to make it happen. And that definitely means finding a new way to deal with the music industry which flattens and deadens its product, inevitably aims at the existing mainstream. And writing all this I'm reminded of The Pop Group's 'We Are All Prostitutes', and find myself hoping once again that this is where despair stops and tactics begin. > but i think that 'selling out' would be to start giving concessions to the media and record company bosses, not spreading the word and getting people to buy their records. Totally... > I think Tim misunderstood Oops:-) about what i said about Tigermilk too, i was saying that i could SEE that happening, not that i wanted it to. I was kind of being cynical, assuming, unkindly perhaps, that b&s will end up like our other hopes, capitulating to the record company whims and wishes. And assuming unduly i hope... Me too. And there I go just taking things to literally again. Sorry, dukester. I should have known better. again, sorry for the length of this one folks. Or the two folks that read it. Hi Tim. Alright fella? 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Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ibarrett at xxx.ie Wed Oct 29 14:44:00 1997 From: ibarrett at xxx.ie (Ian Barrett [94466815-EE]) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 14:44 GMT Subject: Sinister: Re: century video Message-ID: > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Eeyore >To: sinister at majordomo.net >Date: 29 October 1997 13:07 >Subject: Re: Sinister: My top ten > > >> >> >>> the only b&s song i >>>don't love is "lazy line painter jane" (i actually like the >>>song lots, just not what happens to it when monica queen sings) >> >>I know the feeling. You'll be happy to hear that there's a Radio One >Session I got to see the new video last thursday on a programme called 'no disco'. There's a lot of kissing in it and a bloke smoking a lot of cigarettes and it's hard to explain. ian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From t.hopkins at xxx.uk Wed Oct 29 14:50:01 1997 From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:50:01 -0000 Subject: Sinister: selling out to majors Message-ID: <199710291449.OAA29549@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> -----Original Message----- From: duke of harringay [SMTP:tangent at xxx.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 9:35 AM To: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Sinister: selling out to majors Or that Lester Bangs going on about Astral Weeks doesn't make you want to go out and check it yourself (it did me!). Or Kevin Pearce's awesome and inspiring 'Something BEginning With O' makes you want to discover The Action, Creation, Godard and the mythic Dexys? I could go on... Matt Haynes 'Are You Scared To Get Happy' and Kevin's 'Hungry Beat' fanzines. Inspirational, thrillling fanzines that turned me onto some truly great Pop. Or Morley and McCulloch in Sounds and MM in the 80s. Biba Kopf even for a lot of people. Pop classics every one. Apart from Astral Weeks which is some other kind of classic, I guess. i think if we start thinking about the artists as 'just' artists then we miss out on a lot. in fact i think maybe we miss out on some essence of what makes them mean something to us in the first place. You need to claim art for yourself. As soon as a piece of work for 'public consumption' is released, be it a Pop song, architecture or software or whatever, it's down to the individual 'consumer' or user, to interpret it, apply it, use and abuse it in whatever way they see fit. I completely agree. Pop, for me, is all obout crativity. That means the act of creating your own meanings and excitement out of pop as much as it means creating fanzines, your own music, whatever. Pop gives us an excellent space for inventing ourselves and reinventing our world. That's not to say that pop can be directly responsible for any future downfall of capitalism. What Belle & Sebastian might do, it seems to me, is actually create a situation where much of this right to abuse and adapt their art to the needs of the user is left intact, is manipulated as little as possible by the intermediary delivery service (the Record Label and the Media). I'm (probably understandably) less keen on the idea of the purity of the communication of art than you, sir duke. If you're making your own meanings anyway, it doesn't seem to me to be that important. A minor point. If I mention Belle and Sebastian here, can I not be told off for going off-topic, please :-)? 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Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From t.hopkins at xxx.uk Wed Oct 29 14:57:53 1997 From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:57:53 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Another great idea - not -not Message-ID: <199710291456.OAA29704@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> -----Original Message----- From: duke of harringay [SMTP:tangent at xxx.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 10:19 AM To: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Re: Sinister: Another great idea - not -not yeah, a d'n'b remix by the ubiquitous Photek perhaps!? Or Goldie, or Boymerang. yawn. Personally i'd go for getting MAtrix to have a go, but that's just my humblest of humble opinions, and i realise that 90% of you haven't a clue what i'm on about so i'll shut up. Mmmm, I'm on for a nice Bobby Digital or 'Gussie' Clarke ragga remix album. With a load of toasters chatting slackness over the top. > Or perhaps a genuine > country version featuring Johnny Cash... Or > Willie Nelson... or Merle Haggard! Is Merle still of this earth? Anyone know? Tim perhaps? Yup, Merle lives on to the best of my knowledge, though in my view his best work is long behind him. I might be wrong here. While we're on the subject, I'd like to hear the great Annie Ross (deft and dextrous jazz chanteuse extraordinaire) have a go at a couple of the faster songs. > Next competition: Most unlikely artist to cover > Belle And Sebastian. > How about that? Thunder. (both the rock and drum'n'bass versions...) Ice Cube. The real answer is probably Oasis. Dull bastards. TimH begin 600 winmail.dat M>)\^(C<.`0:0"``$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y`0```````#H``$(@`<` M&````$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0 at 36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`02``0`L````4D4Z(%-I M;FES=&5R.B!!;F]T:&5R(&=R96%T(&ED96$@+2!N;W0 at +6YO=`"O#@$)@`$` M(0```#$T-S-&0C(P-C@$! 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This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stip at xxx.uk Wed Oct 29 14:30:03 1997 From: Stip at xxx.uk (Stip / Blue Music) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:30:03 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Fox In The Street.... In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971029130357.0068e7c0@student.let.uva.nl> Message-ID: Eeyore writes: >> the only b&s song i >>don't love is "lazy line painter jane" (i actually like the >>song lots, just not what happens to it when monica queen sings) > >That's uplifting news - it always makes me cringe, and if I'd heard it >before any other B&S stuff I would have written them off as sub-Deacon >Blue. Oh dear. I feel a confession (and a slating) coming on. I've always really liked Monica's infamous vocals on LLPJ. And it's suddenly occured to me, with that last message, that perhaps I know why. I used to be a very big Deacon Blue fan. (I still stand by the fact that Raintown is a fantastic album). So maybe you're right. Fire away... Nicola -- Nicola M Stip / Blue Music www.stip.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 29 17:28:16 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:28:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: why this is important? In-Reply-To: <34570BC7.7041DDDB@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: > > Important in what way? No band is ever going to > > change the way the music > > industry works, and frankly I don't see why they > > should. > > no, but you might see why they should WANT to, > yes? From a Political point of view... Fair enough, I can see that if a band don't like the way they're treated by the music business (which I guess is quite common), then they'll want to change things so that they and others get a better deal. If they decide that they don't want to do acres of interviews in the press, that's fine by me. However, I don't think that that actually matters to us, the fans; other than wanting the best for them as people, we have nothing to gain from them getting political as far as the music is concerned. I disagree with Chumbawamba's politics, but that doesn't alter the fact that Tubthumping is a great party song. > > The important > > thing about music, the ONLY important thing for > > me, is what it > > sounds like. > > well see my post about 'selling out to majors' for > part of my views on this one. It's just i think > in amazingly different terms to you, and i think > that when you talk about art, you're NOT talking > about just the way it sounds, or looks, you're > inevitably going to be thinking about a host of > different factors, simply by the fact that your > life is not amazingly simplistic. I think I just didn't explain myself well on this one. I agree entirely that music brings more to your head than just sound waves; personally I can't hear Simon & Garfunkel's "Cecilia" without thinking about driving down the A1 from Edinburgh to Berwick, through the most beautiful countryside, on a lovely sunny day in January, on the way home from a korfball tournament. That thought increases my pleasure when I hear the song. But it only increases my pleasure when I hear the song, not every time I see a reference to the band or whatever; and I think that as much as anything it was the sheer perfection of that moment which has stuck with me, and part of that perfection was the music. That's why I said that the music was the most important thing - it changes my mood by reminding me of a pleasant experience, which it itself was an integral part of, it doesn't make me think of two blokes with dodgy haircuts. > > > > Personally I would rather hear more variety, but > > not just variety for the sake of it; I want > > variety so that I can find > > more music that I can love, music that moves me. > > but you won't be moved by it so much if you hear > it on the 'populist' radio because it's no longer > difficult to find. I maintain that part of the > beauty of the musics that 'we' like is the > relative obscurity, the fact that actually we > probably have to work pretty hard to get it, find > it, whatever. If it's easy we often just don't > bother. I don't mean this to sound snobbish or > whatever, it's just more to do with the thrill of > the expedition than the discovery itself. (and i'm > generalising of course!) I disagree on this one. The fact that Spice Girls albums are easier to get hold of than Felt albums doesn't make them worse (although obviously the actual music does ;-}). While in the short term, actually getting my hands on, say, the new B&S EP is something I look forward to for ages, and the anticipation increases the eventual pleasure, in the same way as finding a copy of something you've been looking for for ages does, in the long term I would hope that I'll get something more out of the music than that. If the best thing about some music is the time you spent without it, it doesn't say much for the music :-) > > I'm on the lookout for similar music in the hope > > that it may have the same > > effect on me. > > ah, but this is what i found so special about B&S, > the very fact that i'd kind of given up hoping > that such music WOULD affect me in this way. I > maintain that although the sonic qualities have a > lot to do with it, the thing that makes me feel > this way is actually indefinable. This is all getting very philosophical (not neccessarily a bad thing). It's true that what I love about B&S is the way they make me feel, and just because somebody else came along with delicate music they might not have an effect on me; similarly somebody completely different might make me all gooey inside, say a punk or techno band. But if I had never heard B&S's music, I wouldn't love them; so it must be doing something. While their musical genre isn't the definition of everythng I like, it's a good starting point... > > hear all the material; but it does mean making > > things that are released > > as widely available as possible, and releasing > > as much as possible > > (including Tigermilk), and maybe even (shock > > horror) doing a decent number > > of gigs, including supporting other bands. > > i like the idea of off-shoot things though, like > the limited Nurse With Wound/Stereolab single for > example. I think it's important that bands don't > treat all their releases in the same way. Rarities are all well and good - cover versions are particularly well suited to becoming desired but not essential possessions. It's just that if a band leave their own material essentially unavailable to the mass public, it seems like they think it's not good enough; in which case why bother at all? It bears analogy with "Director's Cut"s of movies; they may have extra scenes put back into them, but there's normally a very good reason that those scenes were left out in the first place. > As for 'supporting' other bands, well they did do the dates with > Tindersticks. > And more of the same would go down very well... But also I think it's important to try to reach out to people who aren't used to their type of music, whereas Tindersticks are fairly similar. I've seen the Wannadies support the Lightning Seeds, and even poet Murray Lachlan Young supporting My Life Story; although it is risky, and they may well go down like lead balloons occasionally, most music fans are open to new things and if, say, 1 per cent of the people each night love them and become fans, some good will have been done. B&S supporting Oasis anyone? > I'm out there > proclaiming the greatness and magic of Belle & > Sebastian as much as the next person, but i think > that 'selling out' would be to start giving > concessions to the media and record company > bosses, not spreading the word and getting people > to buy their records. But can a band get to Number 1 without selling out? And perhaps more importantly, can a band get to Number 1 without being accused (not least by their fans) of selling out? I sincerely hope that the answer is yes, but I have my doubts. btw before I go can I just congratulate anyone who's still reading this? Stuart G P.S. 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Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Wed Oct 29 16:36:16 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:36:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: nme interview (and my real new address) Message-ID: <0039600000473182000002L022*@MHS> um, that should've been koogydelbbog at yahoo.com. sorry. have just finished the nme article and am now less happy about it than i was. it sounds like they just turned up without anyone having agreed to an interview. in which case they got what they deserved. um, donations for a new pc are going to be difficult. yep, 300+ people on the list. unfortunately most of them are foreign and the only one going to be happy with all this foreign money wending it's way to south london will be the banks charging lots of cash to change it into english. i doubt their pc needs a lot doing to it, they rarely do. just buy a replacement for the bit that's given up rather than a whole new pc... andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Yummycats at xxx.com Wed Oct 29 18:32:52 1997 From: Yummycats at xxx.com (Yummycats at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:32:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Selling out? Message-ID: <971029133252_-123667471@mrin38> Don't you "sell out" the moment you sign a recording contract? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Astro3 at xxx.net Wed Oct 29 20:06:01 1997 From: Astro3 at xxx.net (Erika Namaka) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:06:01 -0500 Subject: Sinister: New to the List Message-ID: <34579729.76BA@ids.net> Hello folks! I am new to the list. I "discovered" B&S for myself by reading something on the web which compared them to Donovan (I am a huge Donovan fan/friend). Wondering if any of you have made the connection already... I think there is something in their music that reminds me of Donovan but I can't figure out what it is... Their music is really fresh and I wish it would hit the States with more of an impact as it has out in the UK. There is so much crap out here....I've always liked British/Scottish/Irish music better.... If anyone else on this list is a Donovan fan and would like to join my e-mail list let me know..... Cheers! Erika ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 9607129h at xxx.uk Tue Oct 28 13:40:18 1997 From: 9607129h at xxx.uk (Neil Hargreaves) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:40:18 +0000 Subject: Sinister: I started something... Message-ID: <2F1D62345D@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Chris Worth said.... I wasn't really thinking when I said that Tigermilk should not be re - released. I think I just felt like saying something a bit controversial, especially after having felt a bit pissed off about the Manics / Smiths comment. [neil h] Oh, oh. As the person who made the Manics/Smiths comments in question and therefor inadvertently inspired such a domino sequence of people getting mad I think I owe you all an apology. But by way of explanation... Last year I was starting to use the internent properly and I left a message on a Smiths list that went saomething like... Hey boys and girls, this is my first message so I hope its OK.... and then went on to ask a question about Paint A Vulgure Picture. And then all these people just jumped on me for using the misogynist word girl... for not knowing that Paint a Vulgur Picture absolutlely is/ is not about the Smiths... So it was maybe a bit of a generalisation and I did not mean to imply that all Smiths Manics fans are like that (cos I probably fall into both catagories) and I fell really gulty and I'm reallly sorry... So apologies to you all and Chris especially and I'll think about what I'm saying more in future... Sorry again, neil -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Oct 29 19:53:38 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:53:38 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: I started something... In-Reply-To: <2F1D62345D@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Neil Hargreaves wrote: > And then all these people just jumped on me for using the misogynist > word girl... Just for reference the word "girl" is not banned on this list. Nor are the words "boy" or "sponge". Keen regular listeners will know that there is one phrase that IS banned, that the mailing list software will reject. It's purely a matter of prejudice :) Paul P.S. TimH: your mail client is appending a uuencoded file "winmail.dat" to your mail - dunno what it is - could you ask it not to? Ta. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Oct 29 20:11:02 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:11:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Meaning of Pop Message-ID: <34579856.EE6400F9@colon.net.> Indie Pop is like a game of Kerr-plunk!! - a cacophony of clattering noises and lots of bright colours. Mainstream Pop is like a game of Buckaroo!! - the rewards are greater, the excitement is multiplied, but the more records you sell, the more the pressure increases until one day the donkey bucks and all your hard work is scattered all over the living room, leaving you to pick up the pieces. I've just bought "Shleep" by smelly hippy Robert Wyatt. It is so nicely packaged (the cellophane annd everything) that I don't want to open it. Is this part of the pop experience, or am I going a bit loopy? Only one of Simon and Garfunkel had a dodgy haircut. And it wasn't Garfunkel. The song "Cecelia" reminds me of when I went on a school trip to Butlin's Barry Island. We did parachute jumps from training towers (just like Action Man) under the supervision of soldiers. "Cecilia" was on the radio as they yelled at me to get in position to jump off. The soldiers were singing, but instaed of the real words they sang, "Cecilia, you're breaking my fart" which was quite disconcerting at that age. I suggest breaking an egg into the back of the broken computer. It usually works for most things. Tell us more about this interview, anyone willing to soil themselves with a music paper. I won't be able to get it for at least two weeks and for double the price. Nevertheless, I do buy it sometimes, mainly to drool over the adverts at the back. Pop or wot? Peter PS: I'm quite enjoying all this philosophical stuff really. A bit beyond me, though. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mctag at xxx.com Wed Oct 29 20:30:14 1997 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:30:14 GMT Subject: Sinister: please god no don't let it be true Message-ID: <34599a05.3260487@email.mcmail.com> I don't know if anyone remembers this but it's been causing me sleepless nights. When asked about their influences, one member (I forget who), replied 'does Eric Cantona think about George Best when he puts one past Liverpool' (or words to that effect). Surely this obviously tasteless remark showing apparent sympathy with the evil red scum that strut around week after week, and their pathetic following smugly occupying the bars of the Home Counties cannot go unpunished. A misquote perhaps 'Surely Gio Kinkladze doesn't think about Sir Francis Lee when he's putting one past err..Swindon'. I hope we can ensure that this obvious faux pas is never repeated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From KELSO at xxx.com Wed Oct 29 21:11:03 1997 From: KELSO at xxx.com (Kelso) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:11:03 -0500 Subject: Sinister: nothing B&S, just answering a question Message-ID: <> >>>or Merle Haggard! Is Merle still of this earth? >>>> Merle Haggard is still very much alive and even touring....just played in New York this month. --kelso ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From KELSO at xxx.com Wed Oct 29 21:24:43 1997 From: KELSO at xxx.com (Kelso) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:24:43 -0500 Subject: Sinister: selling out Message-ID: <> >>>Don't you "sell out" the moment you sign a >>>recording contract? >>>>> Funny I thought it was more the first time you get paid for playing a gig or selling a self-manufactured 7" or demo tape....the moment your music make syou money of any kind. --kelso ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Oct 29 21:26:46 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:26:46 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: Re: [Fwd: Belle and Sebastian] (fwd) Message-ID: OK - I got a reply from those nice people at "Rough Guides" and surprisingly they are gagging for an entry on B&S (well sort of). Peter Miller's submitted a first draft and no-one else sent any more boo hiss. I think it would be GREAT if this list sent a "combined" entry to Rough Guides, got it published under the list's name rather than an individual and sent the 25 quid to David's poor PC. But to do that we need more contributions, corrections and maybe a bit more band history. Can anyone help? Any old rubbish happily accepted as long as you're all prepared for some fascist editing in the long run. I'll send on Peter's first draft again in a minute - here's the reply from Mr Rough Guides to inspire you. Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:35:27 +0100 From: Alan Spicer Reply-To: al at roughguides.co.uk To: psm at Majordomo.net Subject: Re: [Fwd: Belle and Sebastian] Hiya Paul, thanks for dropping by... > I'm mailing you to ask whether you would be interested in a submission > to > the Rough Guide about the band "Belle and Sebastian"? Yup! > I know this all > depends on the quality of the submission(!) but I would like to know > what > your criteria are for inclusion for the band themselves? Our criteria are sometimes rigid, though more often made up on the spot...I've been on the lookout for a B&S bio for sometime...so they've passed the first hurdle. > > > I am asking because I run the mailing list for the band (details at > > http://www.majordomo.net/sinister Oho! Any chance of a freebie CD then? [shameless scrounge I know, but the record companies are so tight fisted these days you have to be Paul Du Noyer to even get on the list] > > > ). There's a suggestion that members on the list submit an entry to > your > esteemed publication, which seems to support the best in music just > now. [preen preen] Ta! > We'd like to see an entry, and we'd like to see a collaborative effort > - > currently 260 people on the mailing list, many of whom know more than > the > band themselves and some wonderful writers - we are currently judging > a > writing competition. So we might also want the submission to be from > the > list itself rather than an individual - IF that's possible. Oh but that'd be marvellous...I'm at a bit of a loss as to what to do with the 25-quid fee though...perhaps you and I should invest it in drink? > > > Anyway can you advise whether we should try? It's understood that > there's > no guarantee of acceptance but I suppose I'd just like to know if we'd > be > ruled out from the beginning... Try, old thing try...here's the blurb I send to all my wannabes, edit away as you wish but there's the rough idea... =================================================== ROUGH GUIDE TO ROCK II - THE AWFUL TRUTH Essentially, you'll be writing for nothing except the glory of seeing your name and writing on our site. If you can parlay that up into a full-time career, great, but you won't get rich writing for Rough Guides. So....what happens next? Well, you write up your piece - preferably in Word or something similar so you can email it to me - and let me have it at this email address or the snailmail address at the end of this message. Then I do a swift edit on the piece to polish it up and to justify my paycheck. The edited version is submitted to you for your approval and, once we're both happy, it goes online. At this stage, you go tell all your friends and everybody gets to see your name on the WWW (wow!). Eventually, assuming the entry makes it into the printed version of the book (which won't be published till '98 at the earliest) you get paid the princely sum of $40/�25 and we get all the rights. Here are a few guidelines If you go online to http://www.roughguides.com/rock/entries/BUZZCOCKS.html, I've been using that as a reference. You might want to do a bit of browsing around from http://www.roughguides.com/rock to get a feel for the style we like and check out a few of the other entries. First up, apart from the name of the band, we need born/died or formed/split up dates. Next up, if you can come up with a great quote about or by the band (except lyrics) that would be great, if not, no sweat. A 1000-word biography will generally be sufficient. The biog should be more than a simple history of who joined, who left, which album came out next etc: we're looking for writing that'll convey what the music sounds like to those of us who don't know, that makes the reader shiver with anticipation, that'll convince couch potatoes like me to get out and spend lots of money - if you can fit in a few interesting anecdotes and bits of gossip, even better. You have to keep the laws of libel in mind though. Next up; a selective discography, their best full-length recordings and reviews written to convince me to buy them. Finally, though this isn't in place yet for the Buzzcocks piece, a list of websites run by fans or the record companies - if there are hundreds of sites, recommend the best only. The whole guide was assembled on the assumption that each review would be generally favorable, though not afraid to criticise where necessary. And that's it. ================================================ > > > Of course, we think they'll be massive..! Despite not having heard anything BY them, only ABOUT them, I hope so too. > > > Honey > mailto:psm at Majordomo.net -- _________________________________________ Al Spicer - Rock Editor - Rough Guides Ltd 1 Mercer Street - London WC2H 9QJ - UK aspicer at roughguides.co.uk - tel 00 44 171 379 3329 _________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Oct 29 21:29:16 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:29:16 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: Rough Guides: Peter's first draft Message-ID: This is designed to set the ball rolling.... The meek might not inherit the earth, but Belle and Sebastian will be sitting there quietly until the very last vote is counted. Their songs are snapshots of the twilight autumnal teatime of the soul, populated by perverted vicars, lovelorn school kids, Sid James and a brussel sprout called Elvis. Eight people make up Belle and Sebastian. They are Stuart "Stewpot" Murdoch, an ex-amateur boxer with lyrical hotline to the emotionally orphaned; Chris Geddes, the alarming result of an LSD drenched sexual union between Rick Wakeman and Worzel Gummidge; Sarah Martin, a roller-skating stylophone, xylophone and telephone whizz; Isobel Campbell, a one-woman string quartet and tambourine thumper; Stuart David, paving the way with his monolithic bass foundation shakers; Stevie Jackson, whose delicate guitar runs recall Mike Oldfield at his best; Mick Cooke; trumpet vounteer with the patience of a saint, and last but not least, Richard Colburn, extended drum solos made to measure. They met over butterfly cakes and tea at a church hall fund raising function. Only 1000 copies were pressed of their debut album, "Tigermilk". It namechecked Funkadelic and The Velvet Underground, but managed to avoid sounding like either. The lyrical pivot was "do something pretty while you can". The follow-up LP, "If You're Feeling Sinister" showed a wider public that the group had lost none of their charm or quirkiness, but were maturing into a tight group that packed a "get yer boots on" punch when necessary. Sporadic live appearances delighted the devoted and infuriated some non-believers. Oasis conquered Knebworth, Belle and Sebastian's Kelvingrove Park festival disappeared in the Glasgow drizzle. Poetic justice. Three EPs followed, increasing in competence and confidence. A trip to New York earned the band favourable reviews in staid publications such as The New York Times and the legendary New Yorker magazine. A triumphal concert in a medieval square in Barcelona was a fitting climax to a hazy summer for Belle and Sebastian. Record company interest is said to be at a high level, with rumours of a Terry Thomas vintage car chase across Europe in search of the near mythical "Tigermilk" mastertapes. Records. If You're Feeling Sinister LP (Jeepster) A treat for jaded ears. Vicars base sermons around it. 3, 6, 9 Seconds of Light EP (Jeepster) Gentle and rollicking in equal amounts. Good for the soul. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ianmacdonald at xxx.net Wed Oct 29 22:28:32 1997 From: ianmacdonald at xxx.net (Ian MacDonald) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:28:32 -0000 Subject: Sinister: selling out Message-ID: <199710292235.WAA05627@boober.lineone.net> > Funny I thought it was more the first time you get paid > for playing a gig or selling a self-manufactured 7" or > demo tape....the moment your music make syou money > of any kind. > Going back to first principles , this is obviously true. I shall now gleefully burn all my records and never again part with my ill-gotten loot to encourage any musician down the road to capitalist capitulation. May the likes of B&S never share their wonderful wares with the world ever again!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From hc97st at xxx.uk Thu Oct 30 09:14:02 1997 From: hc97st at xxx.uk (Simon Tyers) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 9:14:02 GMT Subject: Sinister: please god no don't let it be true In-Reply-To: <34599a05.3260487@email.mcmail.com>; from "Robert McTaggart" at Oct 29, 97 8:30 pm Message-ID: <199710300914.JAA14026@cherry.cms.dmu.ac.uk> > A misquote perhaps 'Surely Gio Kinkladze doesn't think about Sir > Francis Lee when he's putting one past err..Swindon'. I hope we can > ensure that this obvious faux pas is never repeated. Correction : 'Surely Kinkladze doesn't think about scoring against Swindon when he is hurtling headfirst through the front of his Ferrari...' Sorry. And to adapt it for me : 'Surely Emile Heskey didn't think about Sir Gary Lineker when he scored the opener against West Ham on Monday,the first in an excellent 2-1 win,our first win in 4 games...' Simon Tyers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From John.Johnston at xxx.uk Thu Oct 30 09:28:13 1997 From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:28:13 -0000 Subject: Sinister: dreadful truth Message-ID: <199710300917.JAA11492@hgty.capgemini.co.uk> I must stand shoulder to shoulder with Nicola when the firing squad takes aim. I love Monica Queen's bit on LLPJ and I must confess to a youthful affinity to the oeuvre of Deacon Blue. Truth will out! The thing about Monica's bit on LLPJ is that it's so not Belle & Sebastian. Which makes it all the more great. Like the crazy keyboards on the as yet unreleased (how cool am i??) Tigermilk [the track not the mysterious lost album of the Incas] when they played it at Oxford; it was like a new texture or new dimension to their sound. Suddenly the band were rocking, or even rockin' (blimey!). That's what I love about B&S - so much variety yet with a clear common thread that keeps their work coherent. hot love john xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Oct 30 10:23:16 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:23:16 +0000 Subject: Sinister: selling out References: <199710292235.WAA05627@boober.lineone.net> Message-ID: <34586013.D026A53F@mail.zynet.co.uk> Ian MacDonald wrote: > > Funny I thought it was more the first time you > get paid > > for playing a gig or selling a > self-manufactured 7" or > > demo tape....the moment your music make syou > money > > of any kind. > > > > Going back to first principles , this is > obviously true. I shall now > gleefully burn all my records and never again > part with my ill-gotten loot > to encourage any musician down the road to > capitalist capitulation. > > May the likes of B&S never share their wonderful > wares with the world ever > again!!! nice to see someone acting in a responsible manner for once. we need more of this kind of behaviour in our quest to rid the world of the evil beast that is, erm, what was it tim said, the homogenising muscle of the entertainmentindustry. burn your collections of media and get around the old joanna for a grand sing song. whip up a storm. but don't let the neighbours hear or you'll get them hurling abuse at you for selling out as you tidy the lawn. toodle pip. the duke (very sad because one of our cats has gone missing... sob sob) -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mahmed at xxx.uk Thu Oct 30 10:59:47 1997 From: mahmed at xxx.uk (mahmed at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:59:47 +0000 Subject: Sinister: catologue numbers References: <199710300917.JAA11492@hgty.capgemini.co.uk> Message-ID: <345868A3.198B@meto.gov.uk> Johnston, John CT wrote: > > I must stand shoulder to shoulder with Nicola when the firing squad > takes aim. I love Monica Queen's bit on LLPJ and I must confess to a > youthful affinity to the oeuvre of Deacon Blue. Truth will out! I have to confess in seeing Deacon Blue before they made it big. They were supporting my fave band at the time, Bruce Hornsby and the Range. Couldn't be helped, I was (and still am) tempted by those melodic, piano riffs. Has anyone noticed the catologue numbers on the BandS output? Off the top of my head, they are: sinister lp jprcd001 (jeepster cd number 1) dogs ep jprcds001 (jeepster cd single number 1) lazyjane ep jprcds002 (jeepster cd single number 2) 963 ep jprcds003 (jeepster cd single number 3) That would imply that Jeepster has only released product by BandS. So does Jeepster have any other artists on their roster or is it a vehicle for BandS (similar to what Stereolab have) ? How long have Jeepster being around and who owns it and how did they attract BandS? I'm just curious. Oh, before you all have a go at me for taking note of record catologue numbers (not as bad as my friend who learnt by rote all the numbers of Police singles), it's my job to examine and analyse numerical output, looking for trends and patterns and asking relevant questions, etc... Mussadiq ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mctag at xxx.com Thu Oct 30 11:01:49 1997 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:01:49 GMT Subject: Sinister: I asked for that, didn't I? In-Reply-To: <199710300914.JAA14026@cherry.cms.dmu.ac.uk> References: <199710300914.JAA14026@cherry.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <34596763.2830285@email.mcmail.com> >Correction : 'Surely Kinkladze doesn't think about scoring against Swindon when he is hurtling headfirst through the front of his Ferrari...' >Sorry. >And to adapt it for me : 'Surely Emile Heskey didn't think about Sir Gary Lineker when he scored the opener against West Ham on Monday,the first in an excellent 2-1 win,our first win in 4 games...' > >Simon Tyers. Simon, you are sick and evil man. I think I love you. Tag ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mctag at xxx.com Thu Oct 30 11:01:47 1997 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:01:47 GMT Subject: Sinister: What is this thing called, Pop? Message-ID: <345b678c.2871911@email.mcmail.com> Why this is important...well, yes, of course it's important. None of us would be on the list if we didn't think it was important in some way. I dunno, I'm not a shallow man, but I don't know what pop is, and I don't really care. I know what it isn't (deconstructing it endlessly seems a pretty good place to start on that score), and I know what it does to me and to everyone I care about. It's a see of happy faces on a Saturday night with 'Me and the Major' perfectly at home between 'Give him a great big kiss' and 'Summer Babe', some mouthing the words, some just smiling, boys and girls meeting 'oh, do you like Belle and Sebastian too', it's hearing 'Modern Rock Song' properly for the first time in the car and not being able to drive cos it made me cry it made me so happy, it's being in Glasgow in March and squeezing the hand of someone I'd been worried about, and her squeezing mine back and just knowing everything was going to be OK because they were on stage playing our song, it's a bunch of gawky kids from Glasgow, just like you and me, who know they've stumbled on the recipe for love, but are scared to talk about it in case they lose it forever. No, I don't know what it is...what I do know is we're here and it's now.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From t.hopkins at xxx.uk Thu Oct 30 11:35:27 1997 From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:35:27 -0000 Subject: Sinister: selling out Message-ID: <199710301134.LAA02538@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> The duke said: > whip up a > storm. but don't let the neighbours hear or > you'll get them hurling abuse at you for selling > out as you tidy the lawn. > [Hopkins T] Neighbours? NEIGHBOURS!? Anyone with neighbours (indeed with any kind of contact with other humans) is automatically a sell-out. Isn't that obvious? 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This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From S.W.Hunn at xxx.uk Thu Oct 30 11:43:59 1997 From: S.W.Hunn at xxx.uk (Hunn) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:43:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: I'd love to find out..... Message-ID: ......who does "throw discus for Liverpool and Widnes" Anyone know? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katrina at xxx.net> Thu Oct 30 13:28:31 1997 From: Katrina at xxx.net> (Katrina at xxx.net>) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:28:31 +0000 Subject: Sinister: catologue numbers References: <199710300917.JAA11492@hgty.capgemini.co.uk> <345868A3.198B@meto.gov.uk> Message-ID: <34588B7F.17D2@virgin.net> Anyone want to have a go at this one? ... mahmed at meto.gov.uk wrote: > Has anyone noticed the catologue numbers on the BandS output? > Off the top of my head, they are: > sinister lp jprcd001 (jeepster cd number 1) > dogs ep jprcds001 (jeepster cd single number 1) > lazyjane ep jprcds002 (jeepster cd single number 2) > 963 ep jprcds003 (jeepster cd single number 3) > That would imply that Jeepster has only released product by BandS. > So does Jeepster have any other artists on their roster or > is it a vehicle for BandS (similar to what Stereolab have) ? > How long have Jeepster being around and who owns it and how did > they attract BandS? > I'm just curious. > Mussadiq Prize to the winner ... Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From initgrl at xxx.org Thu Oct 30 13:28:36 1997 From: initgrl at xxx.org (jj heldmann) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:28:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: dreadful truth In-Reply-To: <199710300917.JAA11492@hgty.capgemini.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Johnston, John CT wrote: > The thing about Monica's bit on LLPJ is that it's so not Belle & > Sebastian. Which makes it all the more great. Like the crazy keyboards Oh I'm all in favor of diversity and not having everything sound the same - its just that I find her voice to be incredibly grating and it makes me cringe...I keep thinking it'll grow on me but it really hasn't. Oh well, maybe one of these days I'll hear the Isobelle sung version. the lowercase jj ************************************************ fantastic records po box 4492 ann arbor mi 48106 http://www.mindspring.com/~initialgirl/fantastic ************************************************* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leh at xxx.uk Thu Oct 30 13:52:36 1997 From: leh at xxx.uk (Laura Hamilton :)) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:52:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: Selling out??? Message-ID: Hi guys, Well I've only been a member of the mailing list for a day and already I feel rather confused at all the goings on that I've picked up from the letters I have received already. Obviously I don't want to alienate myself with anyone, like everyone else I am here because BandS are a band I've finally found who seem to know what wavelength I am on -Poor Souls!! I'm afraid I don't have the beautiful way with words (or insults) and I don't want to aggravate anyone, but surely you can't say that a band signing deals, playing paid gigs etc is a method of selling out! Not sharing music that has been so lovingly nurtured with a wider audience of people is surely a much greater sell out. I mean you can't tell me artists must select their audience, limit it and even keep his/her work private, which, lets face it, without financial backing is what generally happens! Music should be available to the masses, you can't penalise certain types of fan for their flippant attitudes towards bands compared to the 'true followers' ("we were there at the very beginning"). just because some people don't devote their lives to a bands following,but instead discover them due to the hype (and yes I realise that bands being hyped is nothing but greed on the companies part), is it not better that the music has found someone else to touch. Music is not a status symbol, it's an expression of how someone feels, and if other people connect with it all the better. Music is about putting your finger on that one thought inside you couldn't quite place, that feeling that you couldn't describe that someone else has taken, moulded and put words and music to. Selling out is not getting your work noticed and rewarded (where would we be if artists could only work create part-time, with a job to finance themselves?). Selling out, in artistic terms is when their work is no longer for the good of the masses but for the masses of goodies. Thanks for listening, Laura :) xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Oct 30 13:53:42 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:53:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: selling out References: <199710292235.WAA05627@boober.lineone.net> <34586013.D026A53F@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <34589166.5B9EE59F@colon.net.> duke of harringay wrote: > Ian MacDonald wrote: > > > Going back to first principles , this is > > obviously true. I shall now > > gleefully burn all my records and never again > > part with my ill-gotten loot > > to encourage any musician down the road to > > capitalist capitulation. > > > > May the likes of B&S never share their wonderful > > wares with the world ever > > again!!! > > nice to see someone acting in a responsible manner > for once. we need more of this kind of behaviour > in our quest to rid the world of the evil beast > that is, erm, what was it tim said, the > homogenising muscle of the entertainmentindustry. > burn your collections of media and get around the > old joanna for a grand sing song. We're looking for a job...... > whip up a > storm. but don't let the neighbours hear or > you'll get them hurling abuse at you for selling > out as you tidy the lawn. > There's a quotation from somebody called Jack Brewer inside the cover of a Sonic Youth album: "Once the music leaves your head it's already compromised." I don't have many plans in life, but I'm hoping to one day have the oppurtunity to sell out. Then I immediately set to work trying to become a sad old parody of myself. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Oct 30 13:45:10 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:45:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Rough Guide Message-ID: <34588F66.78C06DD2@colon.net.> If the ball does begin to roll, I'd like to point out that what I wrote was intended to encourage others to at least join in. Some of what I scribbled down was completer cobblers, meant to provoke corrections or feverish defences of some aspect or other of Belle and Sebastian's music. Other things that I wrote I would be willing to defend to the ends of the indie earth. Let's just say that Mike Oldfield really shouldn't be there. If nobody else wants to play, I'd like the oppurtunity to rewrite it properly, hopefully following the suggestions of you lot, and then we could send it in as a joint effort. The 25 quid could either go to David and Katrina's computer appeal ot to hire a private mouse detective to look for Duke's missing cat. But I would definitely encourage others to have a go first. Somebody (probably called Paul) could either mix and match parts, or we could send in a load of ideas and let the professionals do as they see fit. Whatever happens I think it would be a shame to let this oppurtunity pass by. I shall sustain a huge beamer if we actually pull it off, so to speak. Does anyone (Katrina?) actually know the dates of their formation and so on? Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . 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Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Oct 30 15:05:32 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:05:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: catologue numbers References: <199710300917.JAA11492@hgty.capgemini.co.uk> <345868A3.198B@meto.gov.uk> <34588B7F.17D2@virgin.net> Message-ID: <3458A23B.860345FF@colon.net.> Katrina at Jeepster wrote: > Anyone want to have a go at this one? ... > > mahmed at meto.gov.uk wrote: > > > Has anyone noticed the catologue numbers on the BandS > output? > > Off the top of my head, they are: > > > sinister lp jprcd001 (jeepster cd number 1) > > dogs ep jprcds001 (jeepster cd single number 1) > > lazyjane ep jprcds002 (jeepster cd single number 2) > > 963 ep jprcds003 (jeepster cd single number 3) > > That would imply that Jeepster has only released product > by BandS. > > So does Jeepster have any other artists on their roster > or > > is it a vehicle for BandS (similar to what Stereolab > have) ? > > How long have Jeepster being around and who owns it and > how did > > they attract BandS? > > I'm just curious. > > Mussadiq > > Prize to the winner ... > Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, > Katrina. > A challenge is a challenge, so you're on.... As yet, Jeepster have only released Belle and Sebastian material. However, lurking in the wings are another band, a Paul McCartney and Wings influenced band featuring someone out of Belle and Sebastian. They are also currently negotiating contractual terms with an innocent bunch of schoolchildren whose name escapes me. Jeepster Recordings Ltd was founded by Jeepster Jones, who attracted Belle and Sebastian with his loud swearing and generally obnoxious behaviour, including picking his bum in public. Jeepster Recordings is due to be floated on the stock exchange in early December, with an impromptu performance by several of the label's fledgling stars on the trading floor. This should attract the attention of the world's media like nothing since Claudia Schiffer's airbag experiment. Jeepster is also considering a move into the competitive world of book publishing, specialising in poorly distributed rubbish, preferably unfinished. Do I get a prize? Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From John.Johnston at xxx.uk Thu Oct 30 15:35:39 1997 From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:35:39 -0000 Subject: Sinister: rough guide - Do you remember the first time? Message-ID: <199710301524.PAA21445@hgty.capgemini.co.uk> I'm all for a collaborative venture for this Rough Guide entry. My idea would be to include something about how their music has spread around the world, if there was a general pattern. How did the magic of B&S first enter your hearts?? I'd like to know how they've been chanced upon across Europe and in America, Canada, Australia, Thailand... Maybe this isn't suitable for the guide but I'd still be interested. I'll never forget being metaphorically (I was sitting down at the time) stopped in my tracks by hearing The State I am In on the radio when Mark and Lard did the graveyard shift on Radio 1. That would probably be number 1 in my "Belle and Sebastian magic moments" list as well. I just sat there thinking "WOW!!!". So that's how I began. How was it for you. To take the pressure from Paul's flu wracked frame [hope you're better soon] I'd be happy to collate any info on this particular thread. So you can send it to me or share with the group as you see fit. john xx "..and danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From skg21 at xxx.uk Thu Oct 30 15:43:45 1997 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:43:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: catologue numbers In-Reply-To: <34588B7F.17D2@virgin.net> Message-ID: > Anyone want to have a go at this one? ... > > mahmed at meto.gov.uk wrote: > > > Has anyone noticed the catologue numbers on the BandS output? > > Off the top of my head, they are: > > > sinister lp jprcd001 (jeepster cd number 1) > > dogs ep jprcds001 (jeepster cd single number 1) > > lazyjane ep jprcds002 (jeepster cd single number 2) > > 963 ep jprcds003 (jeepster cd single number 3) > > That would imply that Jeepster has only released product by BandS. > > So does Jeepster have any other artists on their roster or > > is it a vehicle for BandS (similar to what Stereolab have) ? > > How long have Jeepster being around and who owns it and how did > > they attract BandS? > > I'm just curious. > > Mussadiq > > Prize to the winner ... > Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, > Katrina. Well I know Jeepster have got at least one other band on their roster - Snow Patrol (formerly known as Polar Bear, although I can't remember why they changed their name, probably something legal). I think they were this year's Stow College band, just like B&S before them; they released a very limited edition single with them. They sound far heavier than B&S, more like Ash's longlost cousins after being dragged through a hedge by a rotweiler. And they're, well, OK, but nothing out of the ordinary yet (sorry Katrina!), but give them time... Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From 95516123 at xxx.uk Thu Oct 30 14:55:13 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:55:13 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Re: B & S = bs Message-ID: <0001DFF3.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> Dear all, Just picked this up from the Galxie 500 mailing list which I am also on. I wonder if anyone would care to reply to Mr Campbell? The Archdeacon of Pop. From: mc8 at xxx. Campbell) Listened to Belle & Sebastion C.D., I think they suck. They don't know how to utilize the guitar instrument, i think their vocals are blaze'. WHoever said this band compares with Galaxie 500 is a moron. Keep the love, mc -- This post is from the Galaxie 500 Mailing List to unsubscribe send mail to galaxie-request at aald.demon.co.uk with with DELETE your at email.address in the body admin:andy at aald.demon.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- Received: from post.mail.demon.net (194.217.242.27) by CSUNT2.napier.ac.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 0001CC5A; Tue, 28 Oct 97 21:43:13 +0000 Received: from aald.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.117]) by post.mail.demon.net id ak2008027; 28 Oct 97 21:08 GMT Received: by aald.demon.co.uk (V1.17-beta/Amiga) id <6014 at aald.demon.co.uk>; Tue, 28 Oct 97 21:01:28 GMT0 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:37:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue Oct 28 20:58:29 1997 Resent-From: Andy Aldridge Sender: Andy Aldridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Errors-To: galaxie-error at aald.demon.co.uk Reply-To: Mailinglist 'galaxie' From: The Galaxie 500 Mailing List To: Mailinglist 'galaxie' Subject: Re: B & S = bs From 95516123 at xxx.uk Thu Oct 30 15:12:08 1997 From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:12:08 +0000 Subject: Sinister: My top ten Message-ID: <0001DFF9.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> Jason wrote... >and who is monica queen -- forgive me, i'm in australia. which means another pleasurecraft transmission gpo box 1569 adelaide sa 5001 australia "and the author dedicates this... to a century of fakers" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- Received: from envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (129.215.72.168) by CSUNT2.napier.ac.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 0001D3B1; Wed, 29 Oct 97 14:35:30 +0000 Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA28764 for sinister-outgoing; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:34:52 GMT Received: from falcon.adelaide.on.net (falcon.adelaide.on.net [203.16.214.248]) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA28760 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:34:47 GMT Received: from default (ppp66.adelaide.on.net.au) by adelaide.on.net (PMDF V5.1-10 #25974) with SMTP id <01IPEBYG11MS00IIJ9 at adelaide.on.net> for sinister at majordomo.net; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:05:04 +0930 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:03:59 +1000 From: jason sweeney Subject: Re: Sinister: My top ten In-reply-to: <1.5.4.32.19971029124037.00681e54 at student.let.uva.nl> X-Sender: goldenboy at mail.adelaide.on.net To: sinister at majordomo.net Message-id: <3.0.1.32.19971030000359.006bfdac at mail.adelaide.on.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jason sweeney From rewb2 at xxx.uk Thu Oct 30 17:31:06 1997 From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (R.E.W. Butler) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:31:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: Re: B & S = bs In-Reply-To: <0001DFF3.3208@student.napier.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 95516123 at csunt2.napier.ac.uk wrote: > Dear all, > > Just picked this up from the Galxie 500 mailing list which I > am also on. I wonder if anyone would care to reply to Mr > Campbell? > > The Archdeacon of Pop. > > > > > From: mc8 at xxx. Campbell) > > > > > Listened to Belle & Sebastion C.D., I think they suck. > They don't know how to utilize the guitar instrument, i think their > vocals are blaze'. > > WHoever said this band compares with Galaxie 500 is a moron. > > > Keep the love, > mc > I too am on the Galaxie 500 mailing list, and am pleased to say that he has already had a significant amount of abuse on that list itself, by loads of different people, many of whom have never heard of belle and sebastian but are just pissed off that he is trying to tell them what to like. Give him hell! Rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Thu Oct 30 18:14:26 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:14:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: Re: B & S = bs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, R.E.W. Butler wrote: > like. Give him hell! No don't - well not from this list anyway. He's not worth it honestly. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From g.gregorini at xxx.it Thu Oct 30 22:24:40 1997 From: g.gregorini at xxx.it (Giuseppe Gregorini) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:24:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister:Selling out Message-ID: <199710302226.XAA27640@bologna.nettuno.it> It's hard to take a position in this diatribe, it's stupid to think you can be rational. I feel like a metronome. Tic: I'm hiding in my cave with B&S, listening to their/my music, sharing those feelings that are so mine they can't be yours too. Toc: I feel an urgency to disclose this secret. But...... take a look at the situation from my point of view. I live in a country with a laughable minority of people interested in english pop and the above-mentioned one is not very sensitive to this abnormal close encounter between a pop music genius and a pop lyrics genius. Don't get me wrong. Down where I live there's a couple of radio station with quasi-good taste. 1-The youngest with too much Prodigy for my high blood pressure 2-The historical one, with many concessions to adult oriented rock (strange definition) We have some good record store too and yesterday Radiohead played here. So, to cut a long story short, why do I feel like in a dream when you'd want to scream and you can't? Have you ever experienced this dualistic sensation of being happy like the chosen one and miserable for not being able to show this beauty, to convince everyone with the plain evidence of a B&S song? I'm fighting between selfishness and altruism. But, given the italian situation (no avaliability of any B&S cd or single) do you think disclosing them to the public would be unselfish or subtle selfishness? Sorry for this strange message, but the truth is...I'm getting mad, waiting the Rough Trade guys processing my order and sending 3,6,9:-() Bye Giuseppe BTW: What's happened to the Orchids? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MWaggner at xxx.com Fri Oct 31 01:28:59 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:28:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: The Meaning of Pop Message-ID: <971030202423_61217743@emout10.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-30 08:09:06 EST, you write: > The song "Cecelia" reminds me of when I > went on a school trip to Butlin's Barry Island. We did > parachute jumps from training towers (just like Action Man) > under the supervision of soldiers. "Cecilia" was on the > radio as they yelled at me to get in position to jump off. > The soldiers were singing, but instaed of the real words > they sang, "Cecilia, you're breaking my fart" which was > quite disconcerting at that age. Not to turn this into a list about a small guy with a bad haircut, but this reminded me about when I was young and silly (as opposed to old & silly). My friend & I used to drive to Alice Cooper's house, a huge stucco mansion with a cement roof, set up on a hill (rumor was there was a huge pit dug in the living room). We would leave bizarre things like stuffed parrots and fireworks on his gate. We believed that, if we heard the song "Kodachrome" on the way to the house, we wouldn't get caught trespassing. Oh -- I can indeed relate this to B&S: The person who first played IFYS for me also confessed to driving by Alice Cooper's house, only he had to drive about 30 miles to get there, and was always in trouble for taking his parents' car so far. Sorry to reminisce. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . 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Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Fri Oct 31 08:16:03 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 00:16:03 PST Subject: Sinister: nothing important Message-ID: someone mentioned earlier about some guy posting to the galaxie 500 list about how b&s "suck". well, i'm on the list also, and just thought you all would like to know that our beloved b&s has caused quite a stir amongst galaxie/luna fans. every other message is in response to the guy who said they suck. it's an all out war. -brad ********************************************* that smile on your face i tried to erase that smile on your face but a kiss was not the answer a drunken kiss was not the answer (bill callahan) ********************************************* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From RONAN.BURKE at xxx.IE Fri Oct 31 08:54:33 1997 From: RONAN.BURKE at xxx.IE (RONAN BURKE) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:54:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: gigs Message-ID: <8E30337510@bee.ucg.ie> can someone please post on this list info about the forthcoming Manchester gigs. 1) are they confirmed ? 2) when and where will tickets be available ? Ronan Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rclander at xxx.net Fri Oct 31 09:24:52 1997 From: rclander at xxx.net (Richard Lander) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:24:52 +0800 Subject: Sinister: Re: my previous mail Message-ID: <199710310924.RAA17497@muon.netfront.net> I was supposed to be replying to R E W Butler privately but I got mixed up. I therefore committed the twin crimes of not being off topic and also using a rude word! Sorry for both transgressions. Just out of interest however does anyone else on the list live in a far off corner of the globe? Do you find it easy to get hold of B&S records where you live? Here in Hong Kong we have 5 HMV shops and 1 Tower Records, none to my knowledge have ever had B&S records in. I have had to rely on ordering them from David & Katrina. Regards Richard ________________________________________________________________________ rclander at netfront.net http://wwp.mirabilis.com/4039573 ________________________________________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Fri Oct 31 09:55:55 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:55:55 +0000 Subject: Sinister: little ink movies References: <199710302226.XAA27640@bologna.nettuno.it> Message-ID: <3459AB2B.F469C590@mail.zynet.co.uk> opened my mail this morning and there's a copy of Little Ink Movies. Thing is i can't remember if i did or did not actually order one... But whatever. Here's a few fun comments on it: i said ages ago when i read the extracts that i didn't like it as much as Ink Polaroids, but now i think differently. I think these are glorious pieces, and the form gives more scope for expansion on themes. or something. quite quite gorgeous anyway... who spotted the 'Catcher In the Rye' reference about the ducks in Central Park? why, i laughed out loud! I love it when i see little references like that. Like the group Rollerskate Skinny took their name from that bit in CITR where Holden is talking about Phoebe, about how she's 'rollerskate skinny'. How cute is that? Chris is wearing 'metallic sky blue nail polish'. Nice to know that others are following the manifesto as set down by the Living Room Collective back in April ;-) The Enclave have a room they call 'The Living Room'. Sorry, i just always find it amusing when i see those words now. I always want to copy them and use them in some kind of advertising but i seldom do. Stuart and his beamers. the last line. well that's that then. a fine few minutes reading to the strains of Optical, Matrix and the new Source Direct single. A marvellous way to start the day. Yessum. keep the faith, the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katrina at xxx.net> Fri Oct 31 10:48:08 1997 From: Katrina at xxx.net> (Katrina at xxx.net>) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:48:08 +0000 Subject: Sinister: catologue numbers References: Message-ID: <3459B768.45ED@virgin.net> Stuart Gardiner wrote: > Well I know Jeepster have got at least one other band on their roster - > Snow Patrol (formerly known as Polar Bear, although I can't remember > why > they changed their name, probably something legal). I think they were > this > year's Stow College band, just like B&S before them; they released a > very > limited edition single with them. They sound far heavier than B&S, > more > like Ash's longlost cousins after being dragged through a hedge by a > rotweiler. And they're, well, OK, but nothing out of the ordinary yet > (sorry Katrina!), but give them time... > > Stuart G yes, very good, well done, but this ... > Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta wrote: > A challenge is a challenge, so you're on.... > > As yet, Jeepster have only released Belle and Sebastian > material. However, lurking in the wings are another band, a > Paul McCartney and Wings influenced band featuring someone > out of Belle and Sebastian. They are also currently > negotiating contractual terms with an innocent bunch of > schoolchildren whose name escapes me. > > Jeepster Recordings Ltd was founded by Jeepster Jones, who > attracted Belle and Sebastian with his loud swearing and > generally obnoxious behaviour, including picking his bum in > public. > > Jeepster Recordings is due to be floated on the stock > exchange in early December, with an impromptu performance by > several of the label's fledgling stars on the trading floor. > This should attract the attention of the world's media like > nothing since Claudia Schiffer's airbag experiment. > > Jeepster is also considering a move into the competitive > world of book publishing, specialising in poorly distributed > rubbish, preferably unfinished. > > Do I get a prize? > > Peter Bugger! Have you been tapping our phone Peter? He's completely right, so I guess the prize is yours. What is it I hear you ask? Well, only a white label of Tigermilk signed by every member of the band ... Congratulations Peter! It's on it's way :) (proper label copy coming as soon as i can type it up) Cheers, Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katrina at xxx.net> Fri Oct 31 10:48:12 1997 From: Katrina at xxx.net> (Katrina at xxx.net>) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:48:12 +0000 Subject: Sinister: gigs References: <8E30337510@bee.ucg.ie> Message-ID: <3459B76C.20B9@virgin.net> RONAN BURKE wrote: > > can someone please post on this list info about the forthcoming > Manchester gigs. > 1) are they confirmed ? > 2) when and where will tickets be available ? > > Ronan Burke The gigs are about a day away from being confirmed ... I will let you all know when and where tickets go on sale etc. There will also be a fanclub mail-out to all those who have sent in stamps/irc's which will include some rather interesting news and new merchandise stuff (hopefully Isobel will have designed it by then) too. Cheers, Katrina from the B&S fanclub masquerading as some jeepster-ette. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Fri Oct 31 14:14:23 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:14:23 GMT Subject: Sinister: Re-open old wounds.... Message-ID: <199710311414.OAA12042@brookes.ac.uk> Hello all. I'm a bit bored at work, and can't get the words to a certain song out of my head, except I can only remember 3 lines, and want to hum and mumble the rest. The only problem is that the song is 'Pocketbook Angel'. So far I can remember 'He's a marketing analyst, he's go it all on computer disc', and obviously, 'she's a pocketbook angel'. Can anyone help, and I don't mean to offend or hurt anyones sensibilities by asking, just needed to sing it properly, as my tape is at home !!! A not bragging Ben. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rewb2 at xxx.uk Fri Oct 31 15:02:31 1997 From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (R.E.W. Butler) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:02:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: Here you go then... In-Reply-To: <199710311414.OAA12042@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: Pocketbook angel ---------------- Hey, I'm down on the city lane I guess I am broke again 'Cos summer is such a pain Yeah, I'm down on the city floor I guess I am pretty poor At least I am not alone 'Cos here she comes again Oh I saw her just yesterday She looked at me in a certain way 'Cos she's a pocketbook angel And I know she fakes the limp 'Cos I saw her in Littlewoods Well she was buying some frozen food She just wants to be giving I've seen her write it all down x4 Because of all the things she sees Because of all the things she sees Things she sees Yeah, she's got it all on computer disk 'Cos she's a marketing analyst I sometimes wonder what she's got on me Oh sure, I had a job in an office once I never talked to anyone All I ever do is sit around She told me over tea She's not working for another boss She got fired but it wasn't a loss 'Cos she's a pocketbook angel And now, all the kids have got pocketbooks I guess it's the way it looks Their cosmopolitan diaries I've seen her write it all down x12 Because of all the things she does Because of all the things she sees Things she sees ------------------------------------------ That's my interpretation of the words anyway - there are probably mistakes in it, but it's close enough. Hope this livens up your working day. Rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Fri Oct 31 16:18:28 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (Klas Ericsson) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:18:28 +0200 Subject: Sinister: pocketbook angel Message-ID: Rob wrote: She told me over tea She's not working for another boss She got fired but it wasn't a loss 'Cos she's a pocketbook angel - I think the fourth line goes "She got fired but it was their loss", but I could be dreaming:-) ///Klas the besserwisser (or besserguesser:-)) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Fri Oct 31 16:54:47 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:54:47 -0500 Subject: Sinister: The Orchids Message-ID: <01BCE5F3.C9C6E4C0@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> >Bye Giuseppe >BTW: What's happened to the Orchids? Ah the Orchids. A band whose pristine at least matched that of Belle and Sebastian. From the same Glasgow origins no less. Released flexi tracks, singles (on Sarah and CAFF), albums (exclusively on Sarah). Never really acknowledged for their greatness (because they were a SARAH band). Drank a lot of alcohol. I'm sure they don't exist anymore. But while we are on the subject of Sarah, I just want to give everyone on the list a bit of historical perspective. On one Monday in this month of November 10 years ago, the Sarah label was born. It lasted 8 years while being nothing but abused by indie snobs and the NME. Go figure, out of the four bands I interviewed in the first issue of Candy Factory, B&S were the only band not to cite a Sarah band as an influence. I figure though, eventually there will be an obscure reference in one of the stories one of these days. Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mctag at xxx.com Fri Oct 31 17:06:03 1997 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:06:03 GMT Subject: Sinister: It's all gone quiet Message-ID: <345a0d02.29672412@email.mcmail.com> Hello, hello, anyone there. Sorry, I'm bored at work and everyone's gone home except me cos I have to make up my hours, so I'm staying late....and it's gone a bit quiet out there. What did you all think about the NME interview then? I've seen a couple of letters, one vaguely damning, one 'concerned'. I thought it was ace. They obviously turned up with an agenda and an indie-schmindie pigeonhole and got egg on their faces when B&S refused to play ball. Maybe upsetting the all-powerful trend-setting, band-breaking NME was a 'bad career move' (hardly surprising for a group who turned down the Radiohead support because they had a church coffee morning to organise), but really it gave me a great deal of pleasure to read of these philistines being made to wait in the rain. I occasionally put pen to paper for IPC myself (film reviews mostly), and I still thought it was funny. At the end of the day, the kids always understand, and the power of word of mouth can beat any sour grapes NME may have in the future. We'll make sure of that, won't we? Love Tag xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacques.buron at xxx.fr Fri Oct 31 18:46:00 1997 From: jacques.buron at xxx.fr (Walter) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:46:00 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Belle, Sebastian and the Pastels Message-ID: <345A2768.2E6B@smtp.wanadoo.fr> I've just read this in a french fanzine (Crême Anglaise, there's also an interview of Stuart David and Chris Geddes in it...) Stephen, of The Pastels, is answering a question about his hobbies : " I'm working in a library. I'm doing some writing also. I'm actually qoing to do a book with Stuart Murdoch of Belle and Sebastian. We're going to tell the story of Glasgow music from Orange Juice. It may be a book, but it will probably end up as a pamphlet! To both of us Orange Juice was a really important thing. We are very close to each other in Glasgow, we have so many things in common..." Well, I guess you already knew everything... It's just my modest contribution to the mailing-list... Walter -- " Get me away from here, I'm dying..." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From t.hopkins at xxx.uk Fri Oct 31 17:59:37 1997 From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:59:37 -0000 Subject: Sinister: It's all gone quiet Message-ID: <199710311758.RAA10619@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> > -----Original Message----- > From: mctag at xxx.com] > Sent: Friday, October 31, 1997 5:06 PM > To: sinister at majordomo.net > Subject: Sinister: It's all gone quiet > > Hello, hello, anyone there. > > Sorry, I'm bored at work and everyone's gone home except me cos I have > to make up my hours, so I'm staying late....and it's gone a bit quiet > out there. > > What did you all think about the NME interview then? I've seen a > couple of letters, one vaguely damning, one 'concerned'. I thought it > was ace. [Hopkins T] Yeah, me too. I loved the fact that whichever idiot it was totally got the runaround with a series of lame excuses. The bit where he tried to scupper B&S by saying that their non-communicativeness by saying they couldn't be bothered was so limp. They just couldn't be bothered to talk to *you*. Cool. And you're right, Tag, B&S haven't needed the NME so far. I see no reason why they should start to now. They will give coverage to anyone whose name will sell papers. Which is fair enough, I suppose. Laters TimH begin 600 winmail.dat M>)\^(CL1`0:0"``$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y`0```````#H``$(@`<` M&````$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0 at 36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`02``0`B````4D4Z(%-I M;FES=&5R.B!)="=S(&%L;"!G;VYE('%U:65T`%T+`0F``0`A````03%&,C!" M1C at Q,C4R1#$Q,4(T0C,A%9#E`#U1%E?0J`",CL(#L);PXP M-15_"F`"@-D*@75C`%`+`V,`00M at XFX.$#`S,PNG"K$*A/,*A`LP;&D/,1C! 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M1$%41T at P,#!#,#5"0@`>`/@_`0````H```!(;W!K:6YS(%0````>`#A``0`` M``\```!!1$%41T at P,#!#,#5"0@```@'[/P$```!T`````````-RG0,C`0A`: MM+D(`"LOX8(!````!@```"]//4Q!3D-!4U1%4B!53DE615)32519+T]5/4U3 M34%)3"]#3CU214-)4$E%3E13+T-./4U3($U!24P at 4D5#25!)14Y44R]#3CU! M1$%41T at P,#!#,#5"0@`>`/H_`0````H```!(;W!K:6YS(%0````>`#E``0`` M``\```!!1$%41T at P,#!#,#5"0@``0``',,!>2(TEYKP!0``(,!`]ICPFYKP! M'@`]``$````%````4D4Z(``````>`!T.`0```!X```!3:6YI References: <01BCE5F3.C9C6E4C0@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Message-ID: <345b18a0.32647374@email.mcmail.com> Guiseppe wrote: >BTW: What's happened to the Orchids? I know Moody works in a bar in Stockholm. Dunno which one, but I can probably find out for our Swedish cousins, or prospective holiday makers. A wonderful city. Tag xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From iodin at xxx.se Fri Oct 31 18:44:11 1997 From: iodin at xxx.se (mirjam) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:44:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the orchids Message-ID: <345A26FB.39D9@hem1.passagen.se> "I know Moody works in a bar in Stockholm. Dunno which one, but I can probably find out for our Swedish cousins, or prospective holiday makers. A wonderful city." Yeah wonderful city, wonderful band! I love The Orchids, (the york song is probably my alltime favorite) and I live in sweden, so I would really like to know wich bar in stockholm Moody works at. Anyone who likes Lungleg by the way?? Yet another scottish wonder. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cleonard at xxx.COM Fri Oct 31 09:09:04 1997 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:09:04 -0600 Subject: Sinister: My top ten/Monica Queen Message-ID: > >>>and who is monica queen -- forgive me, i'm in australia. which means >>you'll have to forgive me for a lot. >> >>I think - although I may be wrong and thinking of someone else >> entirely - that she sang in a band called Thrum, who were >> also from Glasgow and were vaguely described as "country >> rock". >> >> I trust someone will correct me soon >> >> The Archdeacon of Pop She did indeed sing with Thrum. I not sure if they're still together, LLPJ is the first I heard of her in ages. They had an album out "Rifferama" in 94 (i think) and the single "So Glad" which the music press liked. I remember reading Monica's voice described as "Tammy Wynnete with a hard on", an image which I have since tried in vain to get out of my head. I used to play in a band, and we practiced at the same time at the same rehersal rooms as Thrum. I remember once hearing a lovely gentle voice and investigating to see Monica singing to herself on her guitar, and I was quite taken. Then the rest of her band arrived and it's like "WWWWWAAAAAAaaAaAaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA". Jesus. I have to say it is a remarkable voice to come out of someone so small. I like her bit in LLPJ. I like it with a cringe if you know what I mean. The same way as I find PJ Harvey attractive. She scares me but i've started to like it. That is all. from Chris > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From lucy.munro at xxx.uk Fri Oct 31 23:49:24 1997 From: lucy.munro at xxx.uk (Lucy Munro) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:49:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: It's all gone quiet Message-ID: Sitting in a computer room in a quiet college... > What did you all think about the NME interview then? Hmmm. The first time I read it I was vaguely annoyed, and amused at the same time. I must admit that a few of the NME writers regularly wind me up (Steven Wells, John Perry when he got at Sarah Bleach in a live review of Comet Gain for having bad skin; which aside from anything else she hasn't) & the whole attitude of the guy who wrote this was condescending in the extreme. "Ahh, these poor little naive people who think they can snub NME". The part at the end when he started making veiled threats about the kind of impression the rest of the band were making behind Stuart Murdoch's back was slightly sad. BTW, in the "what we love about B&S stakes" did anyone mention "when the first cup of coffee tastes like washing up" line in She's Losing It? Always gets to me, that one. Lucy ---------------------- Lucy Munro lucy.munro at kcl.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From initgrl at xxx.org Fri Oct 31 20:33:16 1997 From: initgrl at xxx.org (jj heldmann) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:33:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: It's all gone quiet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > slightly sad. BTW, in the "what we love about B&S stakes" did > anyone mention "when the first cup of coffee tastes like washing up" > line in She's Losing It? Always gets to me, that one. me too! for some reason that line always makes me smile. jj ps - just bought a copy of sinister for someone as part of their wedding gift...i hope they like it as much as i think they should! ******************************************** fantastic po box 4492 ann arbor mi 48106 usa www.mindspring.com/~initialgirl/fantastic ******************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Fri Oct 31 23:29:39 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:29:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: Boys and girls, Well a few people have asked for the ability to search the Sinister mail archives for your favourite word (e.g. "sellout"). It's now possible thanks to some help from Robin Humble (and Andy Dean who passed me that way). Just go to the Sinister WWW page as usual in the footer of this message and find your way. Please note that this is still being tested: it's a bit slow and search through the full text of messages can take an age if you don't think first. It's a bit clunky, due to the way I've done it but, well, it's there for now. Please let me know what you think or if you get any errors. Paul (even more clogged up) mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.NET Fri Oct 31 12:50:45 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.NET (Andrew.Dean at xxx.NET) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:50:45 +0000 Subject: Sinister: re: little ink movies Message-ID: <80256542.000D2838.00@bull.co.uk> and lo, after an hour or so of feeling dead jealous about duke and his copy of little ink movies i get up to go for lunch and pass the pigeonholes by the door and there's mine... good thing i'd already given up on doing anything useful today. one thing, there's a stamp on the envelope which is a plain british definitive but it's actually in landscape mode rather than portrait as it were, wider than it is tall. never seen one of these before. is that what comes from living in a cul-de-sac? andy "but, i mean... why soil? i don't understand?" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.NET Fri Oct 31 13:01:04 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.NET (Andrew.Dean at xxx.NET) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:01:04 +0000 Subject: Sinister: re: little ink movies Message-ID: <80256542.003D8FD8.00@bull.co.uk> duke: >Chris is wearing 'metallic sky blue nail polish'. >Nice to know that others are following the >manifesto as set down by the Living Room >Collective back in April ;-) chris was wearing nail polish at the borderline gig last november. andy bubbles burst while-u-wait 8) i'm now on page 25 and the people here at work are looking at me and wondering why i'm laughing. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From the.spod at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 01:50:32 1997 From: the.spod at xxx.com (The Spod) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 01:50:32 +-100 Subject: Sinister: Famous Stuff..Football and other useless Rubbish Message-ID: <01BCD35E.53474EE0@annex1-20.mcc.ac.uk> Errm well I suppose I'd better carry on what has been started I'm 20 ,an electronics student at Manchester Uni. I once met Ed from the Chemical Bros (whose parents bought my housemates parents' house) at Sankeys Soap where he introduced me to Sean Moore from the Manics we chatted and apparently Mark Morrison is a bit of a tosser (as you all needed to be told!) and very short indeed (but then so is Sean) as they had been on TOTP together the week before. I have also heard of Whiteout (saw them co-headline with Oasis many moons ago) in Royal Tunbridge Wells. I don't have Tigermilk but have recently heard it (thanx Ben) Oh and I support Gillingham F.C. I am often described as a frail and sickly child (but I don't have a cold atm :) The Spod Oh and when I was three my mother and I bumped into maggie thatcher in a local shop, she patted me on the head and said how well behaved I was?? (does this count???) PS I think I will have space in my house at B&S gig time (if ppl don't mind floors). Will everyone be meeting up before the gig?? If so where?? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From the.spod at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 23:10:00 1997 From: the.spod at xxx.com (The Spod) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:10:00 +-100 Subject: Sinister: ermm.. amusing and witty title under construction :) Message-ID: <01BCD832.0CDFF6E0@annex1-14.mcc.ac.uk> What is all this stuff about lemurs??? Am I missing some big joke or something?? Oh and twee: {adjective} affectedly dainty or quaint By the way just a quick thought for ppl coming to the Manchester gig in December who will be up early and have nothing to do : The new Spice girls film comes out on Boxing day how about a B&S list trip to the cinema??? :) okay okay just joking Will anyone be in Manchester on the Friday cos none of my friends will be up and it is sad to spend ones Friday night alone :( a sad and depressed spod ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From the.spod at xxx.com Sat Oct 18 22:54:43 1997 From: the.spod at xxx.com (The Spod) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:54:43 +-100 Subject: Sinister: Bloke depression Message-ID: <01BCDC1F.0A927AC0@annex1-23.mcc.ac.uk> ---------- From: Madame Cholet[SMTP:barzy at xxx.com] Sent: 18 November 1997 09:34 To: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Re: Sinister: Bloke depression Thanks for using NetForward! http://www.netforward.com v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v >Dear person, > >I had serious bloke depression and now I'm listening to Belle and >Sebastian, drinking port, feeling full of cheap doughnuts and I'm okay. >That's how I use music. For me, it's not about being a complete muso, >it's about tuning in. > >Much love > >C > >X > Word up sister...I *SO* heard that one. I am SO overwhelmed in bloke depression there ain't enough port in the states to sail this ship.....Belle & Sebastian (along with a little rain) seem to make it worse and better all at once....Like soaking in it or something....A bit of brie wouldn't hurt neither. *sigh* beth What about us poor men? I'm am in serious GIRL depression at the moment and I find Gin & Tonic with Belle & Sebastian to be a much better comfort than port (will have to go buy doughnuts tomorrow). You are definitely right, music is a great thing to take solace in, it's not about how old or young you are but what you feel inside, a sort of externalization of your mental state. Why would it be otherwise that Beth (and myself) both feel better and worse for listening? I guess what ppl get from music is always a personal thing but that it has an effect is the important thing no matter what your age (even if you listen to Chris de Burgh on an expensive hi-fi). I don't really know why I wrote this it just felt necessary??? help I've lost it now dan xxxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------