From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Mon Sep 1 01:05:47 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 01:05:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:success for B&S and people I hate. Message-ID: <01BCB673.3E2D9440@host5-99-55-69.btinternet.com> When B&S become famous they'll be put on all the compilation albums along with all the duff guitar bands in the charts, that won't be good will it? and I just know someone will come up to me and say "have you heard this new band B&S, they've just released a brand new album called you are very sinister, or something, I'll lend you it." And I'll say, well I lent you that album last year and you said it was shit." It's happened before it'll happen again. I hate the general public. I also hate the person who paid £200 for a copy of Tigermilk, that's set a precedent that has, now you'd be stupid to sell your copy for any less, more money than sense some people. If at the auction he'd backed off and let someone buy it for around £30, then all subsequent copies for sale would start at £30, but well, there you go. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From galaxie at xxx.br Mon Sep 1 01:08:35 1997 From: galaxie at xxx.br (galaxie) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:08:35 -0300 Subject: Sinister: Le Cardigans Message-ID: <199709010221.XAA15811@domain.com.br> > Wow! - such negativity - the cardigans side by side with the spice girls - i > would think these people are judging the cardigans band soley on the basis of > one or two songs - (you know, the ones their record company seized on to flog > and typecast them for all time) sad - i would expect more from the folks who > love a nice and sensitive band like b&s - if you could open yourselves up to > listenig to their other work you may be surprised at it's depth. I Know the Cardigans and the Spice Girls are not the same thing from a musical view. The comparison was on the *pop* aspect of it all, they are both under media lights, they sell millions of records. I don't like any of them, but I know they aren't the same thing. Regis Note: There are two people writing under the same nick "Galaxie" in this list. One is Regis and the other, me, Cecilia. I would also like to say i don't share his opinions on Cardigans.It's a band I learnt to love way before they became popular in my country, with the "Life" album (they only made it big here with "First Band On The Moon"). So, as we are two, and we don't always agree on everything, check the name under each comment for a full view on how much we both argue about music. Cecilia ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Mon Sep 1 12:50:36 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 11:50:36 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Songs for Children Message-ID: <199709011042.LAA05902@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> >and nobody answered when i asked whether 'songs >for children' that was mentioned in a list of >upcoming songs was a cover of the pastels track. >does anyone know? 'Songs for Children' is an original Belle & Sebby track, it go's.... Belle and Sebastian on the Radio Singing songs for children Belle and Sebastian on the Radio And we're really sorry for all the trouble we've caused John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From J.A.Mullen at xxx.uk Mon Sep 1 14:33:12 1997 From: J.A.Mullen at xxx.uk (MULLEN JA) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:33:12 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake and B and S Message-ID: Sorry to hark back to the old Nick Drake chest-nut , but B and S obviously have a lot of respect for him. I think Stars of Track and Field... is a direct reference to Nick's own incredible prowess as an athlete when he was younger (his long-jump record still stands at his old school, and I also went to his college in Cambridge where tutors remember his swiftness at running rather than his musical ability.) Thanks for the help with the sheet music. JM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psu338 at xxx.uk Mon Sep 1 13:43:07 1997 From: psu338 at xxx.uk (J.P.Ord) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:43:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Stephen Duffy Message-ID: This is the second time I've sent this message, but are they're any fans of Stephen Duffy subscribing to this? Stephen is another Nick Drake devotee (He named his band The Lilac Time in homage.) and I first became aware of Belle & Sebastian after they were namechecked in one of his interviews. Regards, PHIL. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Sep 1 14:55:05 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 14:55:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: stuart and the pastels Message-ID: <01BCB6E7.094B9460@rainbow.qss.co.uk> -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Blair [SMTP:cateran at xxx.com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 1997 8:21 PM To: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Re: Sinister: stuart and the pastels Still GIlded Lil and Dominic Waxing Lyrical are from Edinburgh. [Keith Watson] Christ - didn't know that anyone had heard of these outside of here - Dominic's brilliant - dead funny chap, played in Glasgow a few months ago nude. Him and some other people I know got arrested last year for playing on top of Ladbrokes on the royal mile - Edinburgh city council don't like the disturbing noise - HOWEVER, they aren't upset about tartan twats playing the bagpipes on every sodding street corner and to let off shitloads of fireworks at bedtime at the end of the festival - nor is it a problem for every day at one o'clock to blast a bloody cannon into the sky and make everyone on Princes street soil their pants. Still anyone getting a chance to see Dominic should go along, he's dead entertaining - although he doesn't like Belle and Sebastian much, I think there's a certain streak of jealousy here. Fraid I can't say I like Gilded Lil much. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Sep 1 14:47:51 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 14:47:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Snow Patrol Message-ID: <01BCB6E6.068F9E20@rainbow.qss.co.uk> but it would appear that Polar Bear are now known as Snow Patrol. Obviously keen on arctic imagery! [Keith Watson] Aye - some guy pointed out to me that the bass player chap who used to be in Jane's Addiction - his new band are called Polar Bear, so I dare say they've changed their names to protect the innocent. My friend Cymon was disappointed they were'nt the same band - he's a big Jane's Addiction fan. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Mon Sep 1 16:23:40 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Arantxa Ubieta - Peter Miller) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 17:23:40 +0200 Subject: Sinister: BAM Festival, Barcelona Message-ID: <340ADDFC.99703847@colon.net.> The following artistes and popsters will be gracing the stages of Barcelona on the 19th and 20th of the merry merry month of September: Primal Scream Enrique Moriente Nicolette Diabologum Mighty Diamonds Belle and Sebastian Billy Bragg Asian Dub Foundation Dominique A The Magnetic Fields Rubén González Septet La Sal de la Vida Spring Heel Jack Manta Ray The Ethiopians Superelvis An Der Beat and 60 more groups... So there you have it. A veritable pot-pourri of pop. Information from El Pais newspaper last Friday. there was also a fantastic competition to win two nights in a swanky hotel with Bobby Gillespie. I hope that lot is of some use to somebody. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cosmos at xxx.uk Mon Sep 1 16:47:08 1997 From: cosmos at xxx.uk (mailhost) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 16:47:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Stephen Duffy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970901164708.006c41e8@ms.colloquium.co.uk> At 13:43 01/09/97 +0100, J.P.Ord wrote: > >This is the second time I've sent this message, but are they're any fans >of Stephen Duffy subscribing to this? Stephen is another Nick Drake >devotee (He named his band The Lilac Time in homage.) and I first became >aware of Belle & Sebastian after they were namechecked in one of his >interviews. > >Regards, >PHIL. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ===================== An error has occurred while processing this message, please re-submit ASAP. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ahacop at xxx.edu Mon Sep 1 16:50:18 1997 From: ahacop at xxx.edu (Ara Hacopian) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: B&S recording for Sessions at West 54th In-Reply-To: <199709011042.LAA05902@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Message-ID: Could someone post the info on when/where this recording is? I think I'm on the guest list, but I have no idea where it is being recorded. thanks - Ara Hacopian - ahacop at wam.umd.edu - http://www.wam.umd.edu/~ahacop - "The Pop Loser Show (Summer Pop Radio)" Tuesdays noon-3pm WMUC-FM 88.1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Mon Sep 1 16:49:27 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:49:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: BAM Festival, Barcelona Message-ID: <01BCB6F7.03B98B00@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Peter Miller wrote.... >......So there you have it. A veritable pot-pourri of pop. Information from El Pais newspaper last Friday. there was also a fantastic competition to win two nights in a swanky hotel with Bobby Gillespie. And second prize is four nights in a swanky hotel with Bobby Gillespie? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Mon Sep 1 17:27:05 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 17:27:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: File service for the mailing list Message-ID: I've set up quickly a rudimentary service to allow you to retrieve files relevant to the mailing list via email. *** This is relevant only to people who don't have WWW access!! *** Please if anyone falls into this category let me know if this will useful and I will keep it updated. At the moment all I've included is the chord tabs to the songs on the WWW page and the intro/FAQ. To see what's there send mail as usual to "majordomo at majordomo.net" and use the command: index sinister or index sinister-digest in the body of the message. If you see a file you like send the command get sinister etc. I suspect there won't be much interest for this - surely everyone has WWW access now? I only did it cos it was easy - but if there is interest let me know. I can promise all you people with WWW access who have seen my WWW page for the list it isn't worth bothering with so please don't try as the info's all there already! Thanks all for your continued interest in the mailing list and if there's any improvements people can think of drop me a line... Oh, and I promised to keep in step with the consensus view of list content. This is swinging a little towards more chit-chat on the list - tangential discussions from a B&S base! I think this is because of the decrease of mails to a more steady level after the initial rush - so please feel free to warble away. 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cosmos at xxx.uk Mon Sep 1 17:45:22 1997 From: cosmos at xxx.uk (mailhost) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 17:45:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: stuart and the pastels In-Reply-To: <01BCB6E7.094B9460@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970901174522.006fb1e8@ms.colloquium.co.uk> At 14:55 01/09/97 +0100, Keith Watson wrote: > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sandy Blair [SMTP:cateran at xxx.com] >Sent: Friday, August 29, 1997 8:21 PM >To: sinister at majordomo.net >Subject: Re: Sinister: stuart and the pastels > > >Still GIlded Lil and Dominic Waxing Lyrical are from Edinburgh. > > > >[Keith Watson] > > >Christ - didn't know that anyone had heard of these outside of here - Dominic's brilliant - dead funny chap, played in Glasgow a few months ago nude. Him and some other people I know got arrested last year for playing on top of Ladbrokes on the royal mil >or every day at one o'clock to blast a bloody cannon into the sky and make everyone on Princes street soil their pants. > > Still anyone getting a chance to see Dominic should go along, he's dead entertaining - although he doesn't like Belle and Sebastian much, I think there's a certain streak of jealousy here. > > Fraid I can't say I like Gilded Lil much. > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From pete at xxx.de Mon Sep 1 18:39:23 1997 From: pete at xxx.de (Peter Hahndorf) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 17:39:23 GMT Subject: Sinister: Barcelona Message-ID: <340afc6b.2837660@mail.nord.de> Hi, today I booked my flight to Barcelona where the band will play at the BAM festival on September 20th. I am wondering if anybody else is going so we could hang out together? Pete -- for the list's FAQ, rules etc. check the web-site of the indiepop-list: in America: http://www.geld.com/tweenet/ in Europe: http://www.twee.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From CSH1 at xxx.com Mon Sep 1 18:47:01 1997 From: CSH1 at xxx.com (C.Hall) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 18:47:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: New Site Message-ID: <340AFF94.4997@compuserve.com> Interested in B and S New site at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/csh1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From samiam2 at xxx.com Mon Sep 1 21:20:26 1997 From: samiam2 at xxx.com (Sam Khater) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 16:20:26 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Stephen Duffy References: Message-ID: <340B238A.16B1@ix.netcom.com> I too became aware of B&S through Stephen Duffy. When reviewing 'If You're Feeling Sinister', Q Magazine stated that this was the best 'folk' indie album since the Lilac Time's debut. FYI, Duffy was supposed to have a new album out next week, but it might be pushed back. Sam J.P.Ord wrote: > > This is the second time I've sent this message, but are they're any fans > of Stephen Duffy subscribing to this? Stephen is another Nick Drake > devotee (He named his band The Lilac Time in homage.) and I first became > aware of Belle & Sebastian after they were namechecked in one of his > interviews. > > Regards, > PHIL. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Sep 1 21:13:16 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 21:13:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake and B and S References: Message-ID: <340B21DC.DD293D4D@mail.zynet.co.uk> > Sorry to hark back to the old Nick Drake > chest-nut , but B and S > obviously have a lot of respect for him. 'obviously'?? i think i'm correct in remembering that someone, maybe it was Stuart David, stated not so long ago that several members hated Nick Drake, and that only a few members could even bear to listen to him. i must admit to getting irrationally irate when people bring up the drake thing, even though i admit to having pushed the band at friends because i know those friends love drake. anyway, i think it's a lazy comparison to make... stuart m sometimes sounds like drake, whatever. b&s songs tend to have a lightness and humour that i tend not to hear on drake songs (and i have had my drake phase... when i was early 20 and lonely, whatever...). > I think Stars of Track and > Field... is a direct reference to Nick's own > incredible prowess as an > athlete when he was younger and i don't think it is :-) a million miles above the clouds... and laughing. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From C.B.Stride at xxx.uk Tue Sep 2 11:51:20 1997 From: C.B.Stride at xxx.uk (Dr C.B.Stride) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:51:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Jeepster address? Message-ID: <2BA31494169@woodhead.shef.ac.uk> Can anyone tell me the postal address for Jeepster records? Cheers Chris C.B.Stride at Sheffield.ac.uk *** daytime: 0114 2223262 *** *** FAX 0114 2727206 *** ** NEW ** evening: 0114 2306539 ** NEW ** "Watford FC Supporters - South Yorkshire branch" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Tue Sep 2 13:45:05 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:45:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Jeepster address? References: <2BA31494169@woodhead.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: <340C0A51.745270AD@virgin.net> Dr C.B.Stride wrote: > Can anyone tell me the postal address for Jeepster records? > Cheers > Chris They have a couple of addresses including an e-mail one. jeepster.uk at virgin.net Jeepster Recordings Ltd Unit 217 Canalot Production Studios 222 Kensal Road London ENGLAND - note that this is different to the one that originally appeared on the UK version of Sinister - or phone on: +44 (0) 181 964 9432 or fax on: +44 (0) 181 964 8600 (i think!) -- You can get a quicker response by mailing me though! Only two people work in the Jeepster office and as from tomorrow only one (Mark goes to the US). Katrina (my girlfriend) is the other and can be reached here, or at the e-mail address above. Regards David Kitchen -- ***************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ***************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Tue Sep 2 22:52:26 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 22:52:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: US Gigs References: Message-ID: <340C8A9A.239ADFAE@virgin.net> Just a note to all of those priviledged enough to be going to the New York gigs. Belle & Sebastian have announced a support act for the Sunday night (7th - non CMJ) gig. And, guess who? Yep, it's The Pastels! Doors at 7pm, Pastels onstage 7.30 pm and B&S onstage 8.30pm. These times are subject to change. Enjoy! Katrina. -- ***************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ***************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Tue Sep 2 22:55:45 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 22:55:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S recording for Sessions at West 54th References: Message-ID: <340C8B61.495C015D@virgin.net> Ara Hacopian wrote: > > Could someone post the info on when/where this recording is? I think > I'm > on the guest list, but I have no idea where it is being recorded. > > thanks > > - Ara Hacopian It's at the Sony Studios, somewhere in New York, i think it's on West 54th Street! But apparently you have to enter via the West 53rd Street entrance. Strange! Audience load-in at approx 2.30pm, taping begins 3.30pm ends 5.00pm. Cheers, Katrina. -- ***************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ***************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Tue Sep 2 23:50:56 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:50:56 -0400 Subject: Sinister: B&S vs. Nick Drake Message-ID: <01BCB7D1.263B4E40@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Having listened to Nick Drake and Belle and Sebastian let me make the following (important ha ha) statement: The similarities between the Nick Drake and B&S are primarily stylistic. The vocal qualities of Stuart's voice is a bit similar to Nick's, and there are similarities in some of the accoustic guitar songs. However, even here there are differences. Nick Drake has a super haunting quality in all the songs that almost communicates a certain creepiness. His voice is haunting, and he has this real neat guitar technique that has the same effect. In terms of this, I would compare Nick Drake more to Tim Buckley or his son even. With B&S, the underlying theme I get out is innocence, love of their friends, and hope for a better world (which is probably why so many of us in the anorak twee community love them so much). There are other differences. I couldn't imagine Drake doing a lot of the songs off Tigermilk (like Electronic Rennaissance, You're Just a Baby, or I could Be Dreaming). The only song on Tigermilk that has a bit of the Drake quality is Mary Jo, and just in the beginning. Most importantly, Drake comes out of a completely different era and that accounts for a huge difference in the music. In summary, comparisons are warranted, but I suppose you could compare B&S to a lot of bands which might or might not do them justice. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From muellerj at xxx.edu Wed Sep 3 00:47:11 1997 From: muellerj at xxx.edu (Telepathic Traffic) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: US Gigs: CMJ in NY In-Reply-To: <340C8A9A.239ADFAE@virgin.net> Message-ID: now I have a CMJ badge..so does anyone know what B&S show I'll be able to get into, where it is, and when..blah blah blah *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& & another piece of drama mind: * *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& "peanut butter toast and american bandstand teach me how to cook teach me how to dance" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Wed Sep 3 08:22:12 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 08:22:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Fan Club Site Updated Message-ID: <340D1024.C1711B74@virgin.net> Just to let you all know, a few people had said that my drop down menus were not working on some systems and were basically hassle. Although I've chosen to keep 'em, I've added a little something for everyone who has dificulties with them... a text based site map. The site map can be found by following the link from the main page. -- Also, I've made a page for the compo (is no-one gonna enter?, this means that our one entry is a guaranteed winner! even if we only get one more entry it's still a 1 in 2 chance!) so that everyone who has just subscribed is aware of it. -- A few people had trouble finding the artwork for the next single (I'd put the link on a drop menu), this can also be found from the site map. -- And finally. I've created a basic form letting you give your feedback on the site. It mails straight to us but only works if the mail program you use is part of the browser package (such as Netscape). -- This site is for you and anything you want to see will probably be implemented. -- Still creating a Frequently Asked Questions page. If anyone has a question they want answering then just mail it to me at the address below. -- Regards David Kitchen -- ***************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ***************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SolaKola at xxx.com Wed Sep 3 10:10:16 1997 From: SolaKola at xxx.com (SolaKola at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 05:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Snow Patrol Message-ID: <970903051015_-998714583@emout08.mail.aol.com> I ran into a bit of the Polar Bear confusion too a short while ago. I vaguely recognized the name as being an indie pop band when I saw it in the concert listings while in LA and my sister wanted to see the one of the other bands on the bill so we went... when I spotted Dave Navarro in the audience I realized it wasn't really gonna be my kind of show. Stayed through the whole set as it was the band after them that my sis wanted to see, ahh they were really bad. Anyway hope all those going to the New York B&S shows have a great time, and be sure to tell us all about it! -Sarah In a message dated 97-09-01 10:43:08 EDT, keith at qss.co.uk writes: << [Keith Watson] Aye - some guy pointed out to me that the bass player chap who used to be in Jane's Addiction - his new band are called Polar Bear, so I dare say they've changed their names to protect the innocent. My friend Cymon was disappointed they were'nt the same band - he's a big Jane's Addiction fan. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Wed Sep 3 14:29:12 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 13:29:12 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap Message-ID: <199709031222.NAA09851@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Just bought the new Arab Strap EP, 'The Girls of Summer' at lunchtime. It guest stars Chris Geddes and Stuart Murdoch this time. Oh, and it was single of the week in NME. John. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Wed Sep 3 16:59:23 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:59:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: lamacq session next week? Message-ID: <0039600000034996000002L062*@MHS> the radio times has the lamacq session happening next week. a) is this still the case? b) what were the tracks other than "seymour stein"? c) can someone tape it for me? please? cheers andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Sep 3 16:28:04 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:28:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Digest change Message-ID: To all: By popular request (2 people) the frequency at which digests are produced has now been changed to 1 per day. Your list admin is off on holidays from Saturday for two weeks and I leave you in the capable hands of David Kitchen - he will be able to approve subscribes and unsubscribes that go wrong but not too much else as he'd be inundated. Mail to owner-sinister at majordomo.net will I'm afraid fall down a black hole until I return - but I am hoping the list will keep going, digesting, archiving and whatever else it does OK in my absence. If not, sorry, and I will pick up the pieces when I return. If any French members of the list wish to recommend places to visit, drink or lie around in near Quimper (Brittany) and Saint Lo (Normandy) during the next two weeks by private post they would be most welcome! Thanks, Paul email: owner-sinister at majordomo.net P.S. Oh, and I will miss the B&S radio sessions too so if anyone is taping one for Andrew Dean... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Thu Sep 4 16:21:46 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:21:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: compo (w/ apologies to all involved) Message-ID: <340ED209.3B0BB96F@mcmail.com> (forwarded- sent this to the old list by accident!!!) > Dear Judge Type People. I've lost the rules e-mail so pretty please, > excuse me if I contravene them, slap my wrists and let me try again... > > ***an ink polaroid*** > > This was taken on one of those nights. You know the sort. Proliferated > > by the young and blinkingly innocent in their more showily > introspective > moments at a small gloomy venue. The boy in the shirt and eyeliner is > Tony, and beside him is Chrissi; they've just emerged from behind a > curtain together. That's me with the orangey hair, black clothes and > Nicky Wire eyeliner (and the grey rucksack- had that since I was five, > > it has sentimental value), and I'm talking to Dickon- or rather, > staring > at the floor in a bewildering mix of post-gig glow and shyness. In a > rare occurence of perfect timing, the couple appear through the > curtain > just as I explain I've lost them... They look pretty happy. I look > small > and overwhelmed. And Dickon looks like he doesn't know WHAT he's > thinking. > Although I don't know it yet, I will have met a few of my closest > friends-to-be tonight. They're just out of shot. > > ***taken on 30th October 1996*** > > Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Gregg_Weiss at xxx.com Thu Sep 4 18:38:00 1997 From: Gregg_Weiss at xxx.com (Gregg Weiss) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:38 -0600 Subject: Sinister: problems with list Message-ID: <199709041544.QAA25334@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> Is anyone besides me having trouble reading messages from the list? When I try to open a message (i am on the digest), my mail program shuts down due to an error. I have no problems with messages from other people--just with the B&S digest. I also had this problem SOMETIMES with individual messages from the list before i switched over to the digest. Has anyone had similar experiences? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From galaxie at xxx.br Thu Sep 4 18:28:19 1997 From: galaxie at xxx.br (galaxie) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:28:19 -0300 Subject: Sinister: Sinister's back Message-ID: <199709041725.OAA15117@domain.com.br> Does anyone have information about the back cover of "If You're Feeling Sinister"? I was just wondering... who are those people? When was the picture taken? N.P.: beatles cecilia ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Thu Sep 4 19:19:59 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:19:59 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: More guitar tabs on WWW Message-ID: More guitar tabs on the WWW site for those interested, courtesy of a Johnny Saisho. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stip at xxx.uk Thu Sep 4 17:45:24 1997 From: Stip at xxx.uk (Stip / Blue Music) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:45:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Compo Message-ID: This one was taken coming home from work one night. That's me, drowned in a hooded top and frozen mid-step outside my front door, like I'm playing musical statues in the rain. You can't see too clearly because the picture's so watery, but that's my keys in my hand - I was just about to let myself in when I remembered. The reason why I look like I'm half-laughing and half-baffled is because I've just realised that I was so absorbed with trying to decide whether to buy a big or a small can of sweetcorn that I walked straight past the shop and right on home. If you look closely at the volvo parked behind me you can see my neighbour's dog, who's tail looks like a squirrel. -- Nicola M Stip / Blue Music www.stip.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Thu Sep 4 22:37:39 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: compo Message-ID: Ink Polaroid #438: This one is of me leaning over the balcony railing of my friend's summer house. I just woke up so my hair doesn't usually stand up like that. If you look hard enough you can see that I'm squinting really hard because I hadn't time to reach for my glasses. My friend, Bea, likes me better with contacts. "Glasses make your face look small," she tells me. I'm holding my hands up like some champion or would-be conquerer, but in my hands i hold Jeremy--Bea's pet turtle. She found him in her garden once, plodding through the tomatoes. She still doesn't know if it's a boy or a girl, but she says it must be a boy because he's very lazy and doesn't respond when you call. I thought that was funny. That day marked a year since she found him, so now she's going to give him back. We set him free later that afternoon. He sort of just sat there, not moving, not quite understanding its new-found freedom I guess. She hopes it'll crawl into some other girl's garden and be given a new name and be passed on similarly. Turtles live a long time, so I guess it's possible. francisco ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Fri Sep 5 14:41:46 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:41:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Sinister review Message-ID: Don't know if anyone's already pointed this out but there's another review of "Sinister" (the album not the list thank God) at http://www.westnet.com/consumable/1997/08.19/revbelle.html This message also being a weak way to test out the list before I leave... See ya, Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Fri Sep 5 17:10:26 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (Arantxa Ubieta - Peter Miller) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 18:10:26 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Compo! Ink Polaroid Message-ID: <34102EF2.D850B1BA@colon.net.> Royal Troon, Scotland. It is 1974 and the second series of BBC Pro-Celebrity Golf is drawing to its thrilling conclusion. Sean Connery needs to sink this putt to ensure victory. His partner, Jackie Stewart, winner of this year's British Open, can hardly bear to watch. Their hapless opponents, Tony Jacklin and Jeffrey from Haysi Fantayzee, can only look on in anguish. Jacklin fiddles nervously with the fastener of his golf glove. In the background, a little boy from Ayr is sitting on his Dad's shoulders to get a better view. He is behaving himself today, because he likes golf. His Dad looks like Rupert the Bear on bad acid. Moments later, Connery misses his putt and all hell breaks loose... Peter Miller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From CSH1 at xxx.com Fri Sep 5 18:25:09 1997 From: CSH1 at xxx.com (C.Hall) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 18:25:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Evening Session Message-ID: <34104075.7360@compuserve.com> B and S tracks on the Evening Session next week Mon - Thurs ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Moonstar9 at xxx.com Fri Sep 5 20:59:48 1997 From: Moonstar9 at xxx.com (Moonstar9 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Tiger Milk Message-ID: <970905155724_1489133736@emout08.mail.aol.com> hey, does anyone know where i can pick this up in the states? or anywhere for that matter? i've ask around a bit and been laughed at i.e, "Ha Ha Good Luck." btw, i am a New Yorker/ Bostonian. Jared ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From chris_wirth at xxx.com Fri Sep 5 22:48:16 1997 From: chris_wirth at xxx.com (Chris Wirth) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:48:16 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Tiger Milk Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Skreddy56 at xxx.com Sat Sep 6 03:18:05 1997 From: Skreddy56 at xxx.com (Skreddy56 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: West 54th taping Message-ID: <970905221743_-1166424201@emout01.mail.aol.com> OK--by the time you read this, I'm sure someone else will have sent a better review of the show today than this one, but here goes... My mom picked me up from school a bit early (11:45), so we could get a good spot in line for the show. The doors were going to open at 2:45, but needless to say, it all started a little late. Anyway, we had a good spot in line, and we got really good seats, but he space was so small, that everyone was less than 20 feet from the band. Now, I'm sure these aren't in very good order (and maybe one or two is missing), but here is the setlist: is it wicked not to care dylan in the movies slow graffiti seymour stein century of elvis rollercoaster ride lazy line painter jane ease your feet in the sea mayfly (twice) break to switch tapes (with a short version of i'll be your mirror) ...middle distance runner sleep the clock around ??? (note-I only know the names because a setlist was right nearby, if they're not the right songs, i'm sorry) The show was very good, even though you could tell they were very nervous (maybe it was because the stage setup was odd, with people around them in a circle, or maybe they're just not that used to playing in front of people). It was strange seeing them do so many "rocking" songs--so much of the album is calm. Sleep the clock around even had a keyboard-produced percussion loop in it. It was very nice to hear Lazy Line painter Jane without Monica Queen (although, I have to say, her voice is growing on me)--it was a lot more, well pleasant isn't quite the word I want to use, but it will have to do. On "Mayfly" (performed with a stylophone!), Mr. Murdoch forgot the words partway through, and they had to stop (this was for tv, after all). They asked if anyone had the album with them, and a guy a few seats down (the owner of my local record store, and my boss) just happened to have the LP with him, and Stuart proceeded to read the song off the back cover. Then, at the end of the song, the cable came out of the guitarist's overdrive pedal, and a bunch of noise (if you have a guitar and amplifier, you know the sound) came out while he was trying to put it back in (somehow, i don't think Mayfly will make it to the TV show). During the break (while the tapes were flipped), the band was tuning and talking, and finally asked if there were any requests from the audience (with 1 condition: it had to be a cover), and they did a rough version of "I'll Be Your Mirror" (by the velvet underground). It's a shame that that wasn't taped--it would have been a nice addition to the TV program. The last song was a really rocking song, with crazy guitar solos and everything (I don't know what it was...it wasn't on the setlist). After the show, they came out to get their equipment, and they were talking to people and signing autographs. I talked with the drummer (richard Colburn) for a couple minutes, and everyone in the band was more than happy to talk with people. Sorry, but I didn't have the nerve to ask if Elvis was a dog or a cat. I don't think they would have answered anyway. The show, according to the host, will probably be aired in December along with an interview that was done before the taping. Anyway, the show was very good, and I look forward to seeing them again. Hope to see you sunday! --Matt Waggner ps- I had chinese food for dinner tonight, and I got an extra fortune cookie, so I guess you can have it. Here it is: You will enjoy good health, you will be surrounded by luxury. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Sat Sep 6 09:52:16 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 09:52:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Compo References: Message-ID: <341119BF.82492D9C@mail.zynet.co.uk> This is the last one on the film, but it didnÂ’t come out very well. You can only see the bottom half of my legs and the reason they look like they are in the sky is that I was sitting on the railings by the car park in town and Clare was kneeling down to take the picture, looking up at me. My trainers look huge, but thatÂ’s because of foreshortening apparently, or so my art teachr told me. I like the way the picture is cut in half by this yellow/orange strip, and the sticker saying itÂ’s a defective photo is funny. Like you canÂ’t tell that anyway. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Sat Sep 6 18:49:58 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 18:49:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: win a t-shirt! References: <970905221743_-1166424201@emout01.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <341197C6.A480A53C@mail.zynet.co.uk> okay, so the Tangents empire has finally gotten around to organizing it's new competition, one which i am sure you shall all be just dying to enter, because the prize is a lovely new Belle & Sebastian t-shirt (green bus version only i'm afraid.) We have 3 to give away, one of each size, and to enter all you have to do is... well go to our front page and hit the flashing banner to find out, okay? Hope to hear from you all soon. the duke -- Tangents On-Line: http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com Sun Sep 7 05:46:15 1997 From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 00:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: other US dates?? Message-ID: <970907004614_1127724149@emout15.mail.aol.com> Anyone hear about a Chicago date coming very soon?? Pete Gianakopoulos ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From lizard. at xxx.net Sun Sep 7 01:28:35 1997 From: lizard. at xxx.net (lizard. at xxx.net) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 01:28:35 Subject: Sinister: Dog on wheels.... Message-ID: Hi, This might be too late to be helpful, but if anyone is still looking for a copy of ' Dog on Wheels ', try here : http://www.musicshop.co.uk They had copies there this morning. Bye. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Sun Sep 7 10:11:53 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 10:11:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I need to ask a favour Message-ID: <34126FD9.20BEAA60@virgin.net> I've just built a shopping store for Rough Trade and although it works perfectly on my system I need people to test it on other ones. If you've got a few minutes spare could you point your browser at http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi and do a bit of shopping. There are hardly any products in the database as that was the least of my worries. Typing in "belle" does bring up Dog On Wheel though. I need you to complete the whole transaction, you can invent credit card details as long as it is 16 digits long and has valid expiry date. Mail me back with any suggestions or if you have any problems. Thanks David Kitchen -- ***************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ***************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Martin.Hyndman at xxx.uk Fri Sep 5 20:32:25 1997 From: Martin.Hyndman at xxx.uk (Martin Hyndman) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:32:25 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Ink Polaroid Message-ID: <413AE0E0.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> This one didn't come out all that well. It's actually of my motorbike with my friend's Aunt sitting on the back. It was a cloudy day and I'd put the wrong type of film in. That's why it's come out very dark. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Mon Sep 8 14:34:08 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:34:08 +0200 Subject: Sinister: other US dates?? References: <970907004614_1127724149@emout15.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <3413FECF.FB652378@colon.net.> There was talk of a Chicago gig a while back, but I haven't heard anything since. Yes, I know that was a bit of a non-message, but things are so quiet it's eerie. Hasn't anyone got any reviews/gossip from New York? Even an Elvis theory would be nice. I can't grumble though. I haven't got anything of interest to say today, B&S related or otherwise. We could always talk about Paul now that he's gone on holiday... Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Mon Sep 8 15:21:34 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:21:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Feeble attempt to start some conversation... Message-ID: I got a great new album today, "Come Again", it's various EMI artists covering songs by old EMI artists. Highlights include Sparklehorse/Thom Yorke doing Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here", Foo Fighters doing Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street", a hilarious version of Glen Campbell's "Rhinestone Cowboy" by White Town, and poet Murray Lachlan Young giving a rendition of "Do Wah Diddy Diddy" by Manfred Mann (!). Anyway, I digress. It started me thinking which songs B&S would (hypothetically) do good cover versions of. The best I've come up with so far are "Waterloo Sunset" or "Up The Junction", but I'm sure someone out there can do better than that. Any suggestions welcome. At least then we'll have something to read / argue about... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mlang at xxx.com Mon Sep 8 17:03:28 1997 From: mlang at xxx.com (Matrix) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:03:28 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Last night's show.... Message-ID: I had never seen Belle and Sebastian before, (as I would assume is true of many of us). First of all I just want to say that it was a total joy. They really treated making beautiful music as a collective project and that charm made the audience really respectful of their set, that is not an easy thing to get out of a New York Audience. Stuart Murdoch is a suprisingly good frontman, I figured his voice wouldn't be audible but I could hear every word. This made the fact that about 9 of the 11 songs they played last night were new and unfamiliar to me a good thing and not a bad thing. The new lyrics are wonderful and I am filled with excitement at the idea of this collective having a long and prolific career. The venue was an incredibly beautiful converted Temple and it was really suitable for their sound. All of the instruments sounded great except for the bass and I don't know whether that was because of bad playing, a bad bass amp or what... The songs that I know that they did were Dylan in the Movies, Stars of Track and Field, and Lady Line Painter Jane. They closed with Loneliness of the Middle Distance runner which is a real gem of a song. I just want to add that I have been to hundreds of shows in my life and never have I seen a better looking audience. I know that has something to do with the youthfulness of the band and the fact that it was the lower east side but it made me wonder if you are all beautys too. :) I can't wait to hear the new record... the new songs are a step up lyrically AND musically from If You're Feeling Sinister, I have not doubt it will be an awesome record. Anyone else go last night? steve matrick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tanya101 at xxx.com Mon Sep 8 16:19:31 1997 From: Tanya101 at xxx.com (tanya) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:19:31 -0400 Subject: Sinister: B&S in NYC References: <970907004614_1127724149@emout15.mail.aol.com> <3413FECF.FB652378@colon.net.> Message-ID: <34141780.7D71@n2k.com> I had the luck to attend the taping of "Sessions at West 54th" with B&S on Thursday afternoon. It was excellent. I've been waiting a long time...very quiet subdued set, with a short cover of "I'll be your mirror" during the tape change. Someone else'll have to post the set list, my notes are at home. Also, I saw B&S on saturday night at the Angel Orensatz center which is an old synagogue, complete with peeling paint and a mirror ball. Beautiful, perfect venue. Great sound-Fox on Wheels, Seymour Stein, Judy and the Dream of horses, again I am without my notes... Oops, have to get back to work... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From muellerj at xxx.edu Mon Sep 8 17:37:55 1997 From: muellerj at xxx.edu (Telepathic Traffic) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:37:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: B&S in NYC & future tours In-Reply-To: <34141780.7D71@n2k.com> Message-ID: I went to the CMJ badge show on Sat. nite..and the place was celebrity ridden. Mark Eitzel was there (and praised Stuart after the show) and the Push Kings were up front (Matt of the PKs was the one who screamed something inbetween each song). Anyway the point of this post is to tell you that Stuart said next they'd like to do the west coast, starting in Seattle and playing all the major CA cities. Just thought you'd like to know. jason *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& & another piece of drama mind: * *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& "peanut butter toast and american bandstand teach me how to cook teach me how to dance" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From chris_wirth at xxx.com Mon Sep 8 17:25:21 1997 From: chris_wirth at xxx.com (Chris Wirth) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:25:21 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Feeble attempt to start some conversation... Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Tanya101 at xxx.com Mon Sep 8 18:22:06 1997 From: Tanya101 at xxx.com (tanya) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 13:22:06 -0400 Subject: Sinister: B&S in NYC & future tours References: Message-ID: <34143434.7831@n2k.com> Telepathic Traffic wrote: > > I went to the CMJ badge show on Sat. nite..and the place was celebrity > ridden. Mark Eitzel was there (and praised Stuart after the show) and the > Push Kings were up front (Matt of the PKs was the one who screamed > something inbetween each song). I spotted a gaggle of the Pavement boys as well, they were slumming at Max Fish afterwards with Eitzel. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Mon Sep 8 19:21:56 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:21:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:nobody talking. Message-ID: <01BCBC91.98CEC9E0@host5-99-51-21.btinternet.com> Somebody wished to strike up the Elvis debate again, lets not eh? Everytime I wrote something about it Mr.Mitchell would post a message saying people were going behind our backs and complaining to him about irrelevant mail, not that I'm paranoid about getting chucked off or anything. By the way if anyone has a list of all the good record shops in New York I wouldn't mind one, I'm sure there are enough Americans on this list for someone to know something. Cheers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Mon Sep 8 23:23:37 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:23:37 -0400 Subject: Sinister: A Century of Belle and Sebastian Message-ID: <01BCBC84.53C42640@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Or a weekend nonetheless. A weekend of pure bliss as weeks of joyful anticipation become fully realized. If you've read my posts, you'd know what a huge fan of this band I am, not that that makes me different from anyone else. At the first show, for example (a taping for the PBS sessions), I thought that I was a huge geek for arriving a full hour before the doors were supposed to open. But there were already many people waiting in line, a first clue that the band had already eclipsed obscure-indie status. At the taping, the PBS announcer revealed his admiration of the band telling the audience what a huge "breath of fresh air" the band was. The set they played, albeit the mishaps (including Stuart M. forgetting the words for Mayfly) was marvelous. Half the joy, however, was seeing them in person for the first time. Many of the songs they played were new including Ease Your Feet in The Sea, Is It Wicked, Slow Graffiti, and Lonliness of a Middle Distance Runner. These songs are AMAZING and I can't wait for the new LP to come out. The show on Sunday was equally amazing, if in fact not more so. The show took place at the beautiful Angel Orresanz foundation (which probably looks like Stuart M.'s place of residence). They started the set with Century of Fakers (which I realized is actually the original song on which Century of Elvis is based). A highlight of the show was the performance of two Tigermilk era songs Expectations and She's Losing It, both which sent the diehard attendees into a frenzy. But the rest of the set was also incredible. The sound at the venue was done very well and the passion of the band shown through. A potential lowlight was the New York Times photographer who squeezed between myself, Min Liu, and Aden Kummler to obtain the optimal pictures of the band (that will appear in a Tuesday feature). (We were already crammed packed between walls of people.) However, even she, who had never heard of the band before that evening, proclaimed how wonderful they were after hearing only two songs. Towards the end, I was exhausted from so much cheering and handclapping, my feet were sore, and the crowd contorted my posture into many interesting positions only a yogi could possibly master. Yet my dissapointement at the end of the end of the set was extreme. Somehow, I wanted it to go on forever, as Belle and Sebastian are a band that always leave you wanting just a bit more....I anticipate their return. Other noteworthy events of the weekend included sets from Comet Gain and the Pastels. And the party at Kardhym's house which included Shy Boy, Franklin Bruno, the Orange Peels, and Spare Snare (who I missed) was also wonderful. I thought it was fantastic to be able to meet up with so many people coming as far away as California and England. None of the popfests have been able to compare itself to this gathering (which was sadly missing Peter Hahndorf). The highlight of my weekend was sneaking back into the Sony theatre and showing my fanzine to Sarah Martin, who retrieved Chris Geddes, Stuard D., and Stuart M. Although I was practically speechless during our brief conversation, I had the impression that they in many ways were ordinary lads placed in this extraordinary situation... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jrg200 at xxx.edu Mon Sep 8 23:53:53 1997 From: jrg200 at xxx.edu (Jennifer R Gregerson) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Last night's show.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Anyone else go last night? > steve matrick I did, and it was superfabulous. Incidentally, this is my first post to the list, I've been lurking a bit. The venue, the temple, was beautiful if a little dilapidated and everything was sublime. I recorded it, an okay copy, but it's tiding me over until I get money for more of their music. I think it was a perfect, charming show. Nothing like I expected and much more! --jennifer ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From clive at xxx.uk Mon Sep 8 22:18:32 1997 From: clive at xxx.uk (ten seconds to midnight) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:18:32 GMT Subject: Sinister: Compo Message-ID: <34166592.21179914@sdps.demon.co.uk> This is like one of those 'what happened next?' questions in TV quizzes. It's of my friends Christopher (I think he's in the middle of saying 'Jesus Christ!') and Neil at last year's T In The Park. As you can see it's not great quality because I used one of those instant camera things, so it's all grainy. Christopher looks like he's about to do something unspeakable to Neil, who happens to be blinking. He always seems to be blinking in the photos I take of him. clv. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Eshmade at xxx.com Mon Sep 8 23:58:07 1997 From: Eshmade at xxx.com (William Eshmade) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:58:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re:Belle & Sebastian cover songs Message-ID: I thought it might be interesting to note that covering of Smiths songs by the band is not such a far fetched idea. When I recently had the chance to listen to the band soundchecking in Colchester , Stuart soundchecked his vocals with 'Cementary Gates' by The Smiths. On a different point: Although as everybody else I am a major B&S fan I would like to hear other peoples views on the disorganisation of the gigs, sound wise. There was a recent comment in this months Q magazine with although was a bit cruel was to the point. Paraphrased it was that the band veered from beautiful and sensitive to chaotic (organsiation wise). After sitting through their 4-5 hour sound check at Colchester (which was at times fanatsic at other infuriating) I wondered if they were a bit too unorganised? The trouble also being at the concerts themselves they seem to spend an age getting ready for the next song not helped when they contantly change instruments (although this is a very good virutostic thing ((I knew my music degree would come in handy one day!!)). Any opnions? Ben ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bwret at xxx.com Tue Sep 9 00:24:22 1997 From: bwret at xxx.com (Alex Ward) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Re:Belle & Sebastian cover songs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, William Eshmade wrote: > > > > On a different point: > Although as everybody else I am a major B&S fan I would like to hear other > peoples views on the disorganisation of the gigs, sound wise. There was a > recent comment in this months Q magazine with although was a bit cruel was > to the point. Paraphrased it was that the band veered from beautiful and > sensitive to chaotic (organsiation wise). After sitting through their 4-5 > hour sound check at Colchester (which was at times fanatsic at other > infuriating) I wondered if they were a bit too unorganised? The trouble > also being at the concerts themselves they seem to spend an age getting > ready for the next song not helped when they contantly change instruments > (although this is a very good virutostic thing ((I knew my music degree > would come in handy one day!!)). > Any opnions? > > > Ben Well, there are some bands that thrive in the live context..others do not. Not being fortunate enough to see B&S yet, I can't tell you. However, all bands tighten up over time, and as I understand it, they haven't had an incredible # of shows yet. As for changing instruments, it depends a lot on their own resolve to making the show flow well. The last time I saw Tortoise, they had an instrument change between every single song, but managed to make it flow well. (Tortoise also makes it a bit humorous...john Macentire is a real ham when running bwtween instruments...) -Alex ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From clive at xxx.uk Mon Sep 8 22:18:34 1997 From: clive at xxx.uk (ten seconds to midnight) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:18:34 GMT Subject: Sinister: Feeble attempt to start some conversation... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3417666b.21396783@sdps.demon.co.uk> >Anyway, I digress. It started me thinking which songs B&S would >(hypothetically) do good cover versions of. 'C is the Heavenly Option' by Heavenly. Maybe. Hello, everyone, I'm new around here but I've been lurking for a bit. :) clv. 'chance would be a fine thing!' ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MWaggner at xxx.com Tue Sep 9 07:31:20 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 02:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Sunday's NY Show Message-ID: <970908203800_975332484@emout07.mail.aol.com> We went to the NY show in high anticipation -- and the show exceeded all expectations! The Angel Oransanz Foundation was indeed a perfect venue for B&S -- although a little ventilation would have been nice up front. We talked to several of the members & crew afterwards, and they were all lovely and gracious. They said they had a great time at Sunday's show, and thought they played better than on Saturday, and certainly better than at the taping on Friday. There won't be any more US dates this time out -- they return home Wednesday -- but a tour is tentatively planned for next year, with West Coast dates only planned so far. Apparently there will be another EP shortly, then a compilation of all the EPs with maybe a couple of other songs as well. Michele ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Tue Sep 9 07:43:18 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 07:43:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re:Belle & Sebastian cover songs References: Message-ID: <3414F006.ECE6C291@mail.zynet.co.uk> William Eshmade wrote: > I thought it might be interesting to note that > covering of Smiths songs by > the band > is not such a far fetched idea. and of course they have covered 'Reel Around The Fountain' in live shows. me, i'd love to see/hear them do a version of any McCArthy song, perhaps 'Boy Meets Girl, SO What?', or maybe 'Red Sleeping Beauty'. Man, that would be sooooo exciting. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Sep 9 09:21:01 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:21:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Cover versions Message-ID: <01BCBD01.B129E0E0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> "Up the Junction" as someone suggested I find a strange choice but curiously brilliant choice - never would have thought of it myself but I can hear them singing it in my head at the moment. Anyway, here's another few choices. Inner City Blues: Marvin Gaye Family Affair: Sly Stone Shine a Light: Stones Shaft: Isaac Hayes Wrote for Luck: Happy Mondays If the kids are united: Sham 69 Take care, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Sep 9 09:22:46 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:22:46 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <01BCBD01.EFF83790@rainbow.qss.co.uk> >Somebody wished to strike up the Elvis debate again, lets not eh? Everytime I wrote something about it >Mr.Mitchell would post a message saying people were going behind our backs Mr. Mitchell - I'm sure Mr.Mitchell would turn in his book-lined grave if he knew what we were doing here tonight. (anyone recognize) Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MPRVixen at xxx.com Tue Sep 9 12:07:58 1997 From: MPRVixen at xxx.com (MPRVixen at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: NYC shows Message-ID: <970908223238_-1802640221@emout11.mail.aol.com> Just out of curiosity, how many of us were at the NYC shows? I was at the TV taping (by the piano) and the Sunday night show... Anyone else? Paige ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SecretLP at xxx.com Tue Sep 9 15:09:51 1997 From: SecretLP at xxx.com (SecretLP at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: people at NYC shows Message-ID: <970909100746_907945423@emout16.mail.aol.com> greetings! I too was at the taping on friday and the show sunday night! was everyone on this list there?? seems like a high percentage of us at any rate! at the taping i was sitting behind the guitar amp stage right - between mathew kaplan superstar (you know-helen love's lawyer - they wrote a song about him) and dominique of ny band ivy - ivy has a new record out in usa oct 7 - and it is absolutely fabulous and sure to rate right up there with sinister as best records of 97!! please give it a listen if you get the chance - it features dean wareham and james iha on a couple of tracks... but i digress - i was also the fella who sheepishly pulled out my sinister LP for stuart to read off of - kind of embarrassing but they autographed it with lovely sentiment afterwards... so, well worth the bother of carting it around! As for the performances - nothing short of fantastic! While very nervous at the taping they still gave lovely renditions even with the occaisional goof - they are, after all, human and you can certainly here a few strained moments on the records too - and i feel leaving those moments on the record, rather than overdubbing to perfection is part of the open, honest approach which makes them so appealing. on sunday they were certainly more confident - and since it was technically not a cmj showcase show the pressure was off and they could just play - excellent performance despite the sauna like heat and humidity - a real endurance test at the end of the cmj marathon! i am curious as to what bands others on the list saw during the cmj week - anyone care to share? and for those who don't know - the cmj music marathon is a once a year event where 300 or so bands converge on nyc to play over four days for assembled college radio types and other industry fringe persona from all over the usa- you can never see all you want to! as for myself, i had to drive an hour in and out of the city, work in the shop then do it again for five days - ouch! - so the marathon aspect is certainly close to home - here is what i was able to see: snowpony, wannadies,belle & sebastion, high llamas, doktor kosmos, linoleum, scarfo, magoo, mulu, beth orton & finally belle & sebastion again! imagine if i stayed in new york how many more i could have seen.... well i hope i have not bored anyone - take care all ! chris at secretsounds.com ps - i am coming to london oct 1st - 6th - can anyone reccomend any good shows at that time!? - looks like i am already planing to see helen love/yatsura on the 2nd(my birthday- i will be 41!!can anyone on here top that age?) and sukia/stereolab on the 4th ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Tue Sep 9 16:29:57 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:29:57 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199709091421.PAA29841@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> >B and S tracks on the Evening Session next week Mon - Thurs Are these still on this week, or have they been moved forward with the release date of the new ep? Was there anything on last night? Cheers, John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Sep 9 15:00:53 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 16:00:53 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Cover versions References: <01BCBD01.B129E0E0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <34155695.E766729B@colon.net.> Funny you should mention Shaft, because I was just thinking the other day how wonderful it would be to see what Isaac Hayes could do with a Belle and Sebastian song. I vote for "Fox in the Snow" because it's the most inappropriate. As far as cover versions for B&S to perform go, does anyone remember that public information film about (not) crossing the road where you're supposed to? You know, "it's funny how grown ups are always right, even when they're wrong" and " do you know who it was? My Dad, in our new car!". Well, that had a really groovy bassline and penty for everyone else to do, as well as a nice spoken word lyric. B&S material from top to bottom! Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From patrick at xxx.net Tue Sep 9 15:37:32 1997 From: patrick at xxx.net (stinger) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 07:37:32 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Did anyone tape the NYC shows? References: <970908223238_-1802640221@emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <34155F2C.2ACA@nothingbutnet.net> Did anyone tape the NYC shows? If so I can trade you wither a copy of the rarities tape I have or a copy of the "Ink Polaroids" booklet. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Tue Sep 9 15:51:22 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:51:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: RE: Message-ID: >>B and S tracks on the Evening Session next week Mon - Thurs > >Are these still on this week, or have they been moved forward with the >release date of the new ep? Was there anything on last night? > >Cheers, > > >John S. Yes, they're on all this week. Last night there was a new version of LLPJ, without Monica wailing all over the place, which made a nice change. There'll be tracks on each of the next three nights, sometime between 6.30 and 8.30 (last night it was just after 8). When is the EP coming out now? Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com Tue Sep 9 15:54:00 1997 From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: covers Message-ID: <970909105316_810565807@emout06.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 9/9/97 8:12:55 AM, you wrote: <> I wouldn't mind hearing B&S cover "The Soul Of My Suit" by T.Rex Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Sep 9 16:53:17 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:53:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Other covers Message-ID: <01BCBD40.DFCECD40@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Figured perhaps they could record "Candle in the Wind" - this'd be a surefire number 1 in the current climate. Either that or plumb some other shit song about Diana just like Chris de Burgh's done and go for broke - looks like we'll be stuck with this at least well into next year. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Tue Sep 9 18:32:16 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 17:32:16 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199709091623.RAA13810@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> >Yes, they're on all this week. Last night there was a new version of >LLPJ, without Monica wailing all over the place, which made a nice >change. There'll be tracks on each of the next three nights, sometime >between 6.30 and 8.30 (last night it was just after 8). AAAAAHHHHH!!!! Has anybody in Edinburgh recorded last nights song? Any chance of droping a copy off to me (in Princes Street) some time? I'd be very grateful and I've got a load of unreleased b&s tracks I could give in return. Cheers, John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Tue Sep 9 17:27:20 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:27:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Other covers Message-ID: <01BCBD45.A12E7220@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Keith Watson wrote: >Figured perhaps they could record "Candle in the Wind" - this'd be a surefire number 1 in the current climate. Either that or plumb some other shit song about Diana just like Chris de Burgh's done and go for broke - looks like we'll be stuck with this at least well into next year. Yeah, but it'll get even. There's already rumblings of a "Big Concert". Trouble is, we all know exactly who's going to be playing - hello Sting, Eric, Phil, Elton, George, Chris, Tina, Rod, Dave and Annie, Sir Paul, Sir Cliff, Sir Bob (need I go on? feeling sick already?) Nigel xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Tue Sep 9 18:48:26 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 18:48:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Other covers References: <01BCBD45.A12E7220@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Message-ID: <34158BEA.95C6BDBF@mail.zynet.co.uk> > >Figured perhaps they could record "Candle in > the Wind" - this'd be a surefire number 1 in the > current climate. Either that or plumb some other > shit song about Diana just like Chris de Burgh's > done and go for broke - looks like we'll be > stuck with this at least well into next year. > > Yeah, but it'll get even. There's already > rumblings of a "Big Concert". Trouble is, we > all know exactly who's going to be playing - > hello Sting, Eric, Phil, Elton, George, Chris, > Tina, Rod, Dave and Annie, Sir Paul, Sir Cliff, > Sir Bob (need I go on? feeling sick already?) yeah, but who here even gives a fuck what shit will be playing there? that's another world, it's not the world i live in, i mean, not really. you know? ... 'the kids' and anyone who knows what's down with 'pop culture' don't give a shit about those laughable fools. just blank it out and make your own culture, make your own media. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Tue Sep 9 19:24:19 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 19:24:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: London bands References: <970909100746_907945423@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <34159452.A6D4336E@mcmail.com> DAMN- did it again and sent to just the original author... *** > ps - i am coming to london oct 1st - 6th - can anyone reccomend any > good > shows at that time!? - looks like i am already planing to see helen > love/yatsura on the 2nd(my birthday- i will be 41!!can anyone on here > top > that age?) and sukia/stereolab on the 4th Yes yes yes! I have a suggestion!!! Make a three-day thing of it and go see ORLANDO on the 3rd!!!!!!!!! It's at the Water Rats, Kings Cross, and will undoubtedly be an evening of unrivalled soul and passion. There's your recommendation. Love, Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leslie.chinea at xxx.com Tue Sep 9 15:08:29 1997 From: leslie.chinea at xxx.com (leslie.chinea at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:08:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S Enlighten New York Message-ID: <0001B585.003103@xx.emimusic.com> Attenzione! Attenzione! Belle & Sebastian are the tawk of New Yawk this week!!! This precious collective kicked the ass of everyone who got to see them at the PBS Tapings on West 54th Street and the Angel Orensanz Center. Understandably, they were visibly nervous at their first live performance in the States. The audience was seated around the band that consisted of 8 people, the 8th member being Mick the horn player (who looked like he was about 10 years old). Stuart Murdoch leader and lead vocalist is the oldest at 24 years old. He looks like an androgynous, younger Richard Butler. There are 2 girls in the group the violinist and Isobel the cellist (rumored to be Murdoch's girlfriend). The set was very special and intimate. They performed mostly new material and tracks off their import singles. During "Like Dylan In The Movies" Stuart nervously forgot the words and visibly upset shouted "Does anyone have our CD handy?" So who saves the day with the liner notes from the album? Chris the owner of Secret Sounds record shop: (htt;://www.secretsounds.com)! Belle & Sebastian was the talk of CMJ all week. Their CMJ performance took place on the Lower East Side at an old synagogue with cathedral architecture. It's the sculpture's Angel Orensanz' studio and performance space. It was very cool. The lights reflected off the disco mirror ball hung where the tabernacle should have been illuminating the high cathedral ceiling. For two nights they performed to a sold out room packed with fans. It was gospel. Belle & Sebastian is what it's all about. Amen. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Skreddy56 at xxx.com Tue Sep 9 20:57:57 1997 From: Skreddy56 at xxx.com (Skreddy56 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: (BIG!) New York Times show review Message-ID: <970909155519_1145889184@emout19.mail.aol.com> Hello there! Here's the Times review of the B+S show on Sunday. Sorry if this took too long to load up, or if someone else has already sent it to you. Enjoy! --Matt Good music doesn't always come to you. Sometimes you have to find it yourself, without radio, MTV, major record chains and magazines. But somehow, in Manhattan, quality in pop and rock usually doesn't go unheralded. Concerts by two new, promising and little-known British acts, Beth Orton (on Saturday night at the Westbeth Theater) and Belle and Sebastian (on Sunday night at the Angel Orensanz Foundation on the Lower East Side), were filled to capacity with admiring fans, most of whom had discovered these artists via word of mouth. Unlike Oasis, Blur and other bands playing Brit-pop, Ms. Orton and Belle and Sebastian played light, airy Brit-folk characterized more by shyness than brashness. Softness, plainness and sensitivity were not signs of weakness but goals to be pursued in songs chiseled out of delicate arrangements and smart, perceptive lyrics. Self-effacing onstage, both acts seemed embarrassed when the audience applauded at the beginning of a song it recognized. Both also consisted of eight-piece ensembles that weren't afraid to destabilize the folk songs with touches of punk-rock and electronic dance-music. At the same time, each song would have sounded just as good performed by one person on an acoustic guitar. Ms. Orton dedicated "I Wish I Never Saw the Sunshine" to Diana, Princess of Wales, softly intoning such moving lyrics as "If I never saw the sunshine, baby, then maybe I wouldn't mind the rain." As soon as she was finished, she added a punk-rock editorial, exclaiming, "Fascist regime!" a quote from the Sex Pistols' anarchist version of "God Save the Queen." "I'm not a royalist," she explained, "but I am a humanist." On her album, "Trailer Park" (Heavenly), Ms. Orton sounds like Tim Buckley or Nick Drake updated as an experimental trip-hop act. But in concert, Ms. Orton sounded more traditional, like an underground version of Jewel. A child of the 70's with a tender touch on guitar and a beautiful voice fading on this last night of her American tour, she backed her songs with cello, violin, drums, percussion, guitar and bass. In songs like "Galaxy of Emptiness" and "She Cries Your Name," her lyrics examined the whole of the universe and the entire landscape of the mind and found nothing but loneliness. Though just as introverted, the Scottish ensemble Belle and Sebastian was more of an anomaly. Its members appear to be lazy, unambitious bumblers full of private jokes they're too sleepy to share. Members forgot lyrics, fell out of rhythm, lost their place during melodies and took long pauses to switch instruments. During one break, they asked an audience member for help in lowering the microphone stand. But somehow, the songs sounded meticulous and exquisite, with Stuart Murdoch singing in a shy, sweet voice buoyed by a loosely knit cushion of guitars, violin, cello, brass, drums and keyboards. The approach was best summed up in lyrics from one of its albums, "Nobody writes them like they used to/So it may as well be me." Though there is nary a low point on its excellent second album, "If You're Feeling Sinister" (Jeepster/The Enclave), or its even newer singles, Belle and Sebastian performed mostly unreleased songs. Its lyrics looked at characters like a woman modeling the Velvet Underground in clay, a runner who breaks hearts and lots of people in boring jobs with active fantasy lives. Its knack was for simple storytelling, with each lyric thinly veiling a world as lonely as Ms. Orton's. "Could I write a piece about you now that you've made it?" Mr. Murdoch sang in his winsome, genteel voice in the song about the runner. "About the hours spent, the emptiness in your training/You only did it so that you could wear/Your terry underwear/ And feel the city air/Run past your body." After an hour of watching the concert, fans may have loved the band, but they still didn't understand it. "You're so very quiet," Mr. Murdoch told the audience. When the crowd responded by cheering, he raised a hand and meekly tried to stop them. "No," he explained, "we like that." Copyright 1997 The New York Times ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ByTheSea6 at xxx.com Tue Sep 9 21:06:54 1997 From: ByTheSea6 at xxx.com (ByTheSea6 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: more nyc shows babble Message-ID: <970909113923_168096578@emout05.mail.aol.com> Firstly, the surprise, ( but not too surprising, for we knew after their Peel Sessions that they were great) of the week was the Delgados at the Merc on Saturday night. This band is sensational and if they continue to develop the flute/strings ideas that they showed off there, their next record is gonna amaze. Of the three B&S shows (PBS and two at the temple), Sunday's set and the PBS show set were quite similar. Saturday's set was shorter than Sunday's, but songs included Judy, State I Am In, Seymour Stein, Get Me Away From Here, and the VU's What Goes On, which included the 30 seconds of magic where Stevie babbled about being in NYC and doing the song for that reason, the Stuart saying, but Stevie, i am the singer, so why are you talking so much, then Stevie calling Stuart a "fuckin' cunt," then the bandgoing into the song full force, Steviesinging, and Stuart taking off his guitar and dancing for the first half of the song. It was brilliant. It was groovy. Stevie play guitar like he's in a 6tees soul band. And finally we caught the Pastels/Autumn Leaves/Delgados/Orange Peels/HoneyBunch show in Boston last night, and though we were close to death for both the drive up and down from NYC, it was well worth it. Delgados were just as thrilling w/out the strings, Autumn Leavesare a unique 6tees pysch-pop foursome from the Twin Cities with total grace and style on stage-new album on Grimsey out in the very near future so look for it-and the Pastels closed it out with a set that included Over my Shoulder and Through Your Heart. B&S review in the NY Times today. yours, bts ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jrg200 at xxx.edu Tue Sep 9 23:10:16 1997 From: jrg200 at xxx.edu (Jennifer R Gregerson) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: people at NYC shows In-Reply-To: <970909100746_907945423@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: I think Chris asked about other shows people were able to see during CMJ. Sometime I going to actually commit to seeing much of CMJ, but again this year my classes were starting and I was moving back in. I did get a chance to see Tube Top, a little band from Seattle (where I'm from, where I live half the year) that deserves much success. I don't know if fans of B&S would like them, but they've got talent, at least. --jennifer ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Wed Sep 10 00:09:03 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: NYC shows In-Reply-To: <970908223238_-1802640221@emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > Just out of curiosity, how many of us were at the NYC shows? I was at the TV > taping (by the piano) and the Sunday night show... > Anyone else? > Paige Uh, I was there. I was the nerdy asian kid sitting in the very front. Yeah, that was me that the host pointed out as having found out about the taping "from the website". Sigh. it was nice that they played mostly new songs. francisco ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bwret at xxx.com Wed Sep 10 00:22:19 1997 From: bwret at xxx.com (Alex Ward) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: gender issues Message-ID: There's alot of sexual overtones in B&S's lyrics. I've also found that quite a few songs hinted that the writer was gay (or bi). Any info to help me out on this? -alex ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From escossia at xxx.br Tue Sep 9 23:50:39 1997 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo Augusto) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:50:39 -0200 Subject: Sinister: gender issues Message-ID: <23503904019521@secrel.com.br> At 16:22 09/09/97 -0700, you wrote: > >There's alot of sexual overtones in B&S's lyrics. I've also found that >quite a few songs hinted that the writer was gay (or bi). Any info to help >me out on this? > >-alex Do you really mind about it ? Sorry, i did not want to be rude ! Ivo Augusto ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bwret at xxx.com Wed Sep 10 01:01:57 1997 From: bwret at xxx.com (Alex Ward) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: gender issues In-Reply-To: <23503904019521@secrel.com.br> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Ivo Augusto wrote: > At 16:22 09/09/97 -0700, you wrote: > > > >There's alot of sexual overtones in B&S's lyrics. I've also found that > >quite a few songs hinted that the writer was gay (or bi). Any info to help > >me out on this? > > > >-alex > > > Do you really mind about it ? > Sorry, i did not want to be rude ! > Ivo Augusto > I didn't mean to imply that I minded (if that's what you mean). I actually think it's rather refreshing to hear songs with mixed sexual messages that don't seem to be making any particular point. -alex ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MWaggner at xxx.com Wed Sep 10 01:45:27 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: NY Shows Message-ID: <970909204302_214152954@emout08.mail.aol.com> Aha, someone with a couple of years on chris at secretsounds...(surprised you gave it up ras'). I went to the PBS taping, arriving several hours before the doors opened and sitting on the sidewalk -- drinking soda from a brown paper bag for the total wino ambiance -- was worth it. Although the sound quality was not good where I sat behind the guitar amp missing most of the vocals (two seats away from chris but not nearly important enough to mention), it was wonderful to see the band. They were so young and so nervous that you had to love them even without knowing the music. The Sunday show more than made up for anything missed on Friday. I think that any of the "roughness " that people have been commenting on was probably due to nerves or shyness, which was wearing off as the weekend wore on. I think that the amazing crowd reaction helped them loosen up a bit as well -- at the taping people were much more subdued and I don't think they got as much "feedback" -- people were pretty much huddled in the cold studio. On Sunday we, too, were imposed upon by the Times' photographer. She certainly had a way of spreading herself out and getting in the way -- and that flash!! -- at one point Stuart Murdoch put his foot up to block a shot, and the guitarist kept waving her away. I thought the Times review was lacking, with too much emphasis on things like instrument changes and too little attention to the magic of the music. For the record, it was so hot that they couldn't lower the mike because their fingers were sweaty from playing -- Doug was more than happy to help! Michele (sorry chris)) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leslie.chinea at xxx.com Tue Sep 9 20:14:57 1997 From: leslie.chinea at xxx.com (leslie.chinea at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:14:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: NYC shows Message-ID: <0001B734.003103@xx.emimusic.com> Hey, I was at the taping, as well both Angel Orensanz shows! At the taping I was sitting right behind the drummer, Richard. Hey Francisco and you had the best seats in the house!!! Leslie. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: Sinister: NYC shows Author: Francisco Alberto Wong at X-MAIL Date: 9/9/97 7:09 PM > Just out of curiosity, how many of us were at the NYC shows? I was at the TV > taping (by the piano) and the Sunday night show... > Anyone else? > Paige Uh, I was there. I was the nerdy asian kid sitting in the very front. Yeah, that was me that the host pointed out as having found out about the taping "from the website". Sigh. it was nice that they played mostly new songs. francisco ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- Received: from server1.emimusic.com (193.122.8.130) by imailgp.xx.emimusic.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0001B6E6; Wed, 10 Sep 97 00:52:57 +0100 Received: from sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk [129.215.72.230]) by server1.emimusic.com with SMTP id AAA24567 for (2.1.1h-8.8.5/3.1.17); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:45:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA19907 for sinister-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:08:50 +0100 Received: from sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu (cu56193 at sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.136]) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA19903 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:08:45 +0100 Received: from localhost (faw1 at localhost) by sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07392; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Francisco Alberto Wong To: MPRVixen at aol.com cc: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Re: Sinister: NYC shows In-Reply-To: <970908223238_-1802640221 at emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Francisco Alberto Wong From faw1 at xxx.edu Wed Sep 10 03:06:55 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: re: PBS taping Message-ID: I had the recent fortune of being able to attend the perhaps now fabled Sessions on 54th taping of Belle and Sebastian. While the wait outside was gruelling--especially while watching VIP/press and industry people walk right in without having to wait as long, the show was very well worth it. I wish the band had played more songs off IYFS or the 2 current eps, but still, being witness to a slew of new songs certainly made the event interesting. Part of the excitement was also seeing the notoriously camera-shy band in person--quite a good-looking band, eh?--as well as having the back of my head gloriously presented before the cameras as they craned and dollied here and there 'round them. Isobel sang the first song, "Is It Wicked Not To Care". This was followed by "Like Dylan In the Movies", "Ease Your Feet In the Sea", "Century of Elvis", "Slow Graffitti", a flubbed and playful "Mayfly" (Stuart had to read the lyrics of a copy of the album that an audeince member donated), a slow (lazy?) "Lazy Line-Painter Jane", "Seymour Stein" (which I believe Stevie sang), "Sleep the Clock Around", the epic "Roller COaster Ride". It was beautiful. They were playful even tho nervous. I wish I saw them Saturday or Sunday, you lucky lucky people. When they asked for a cover, I'm glad no one yelled out Freebird; someone should have yelled out "Jennifer Juniper". I should have yelled out "Jennifer Juniper". Did anyone else think the host's intro kinda cheesy, or not genuine? francisco ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 09:51:08 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:51:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Variety box Message-ID: Various points from the last few days; 1. It is perfectly possible to avoid the new "Candle In The Wind" by either finding a decent radio station (like London's new XFM, which plays alternative music all day), or by just not listening to the radio. I managed to miss the whole of Diana's funeral by being in bed recovering from the night before... 2. Re cover versions. How about "Ziggy Stardust" or even Abba's "The Winner Takes It All"? B&S could do a very different and extremely good version of either. 3. For those who weren't listening / don't live in Britain, the Evening Session played B&S's session version of "Sleep the Clock Around" (at least I think that's what it was called) last night. It sounds like a very promising song, but unfortunately I couldn't make out any of the lyrics at all. Anyone help? Oh, and who was doing the female backing vocals? Whoever it was had a much better voice than Monica Queen. 4. Is anyone out there going to the Camden Crawl next week? Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Sep 10 10:05:01 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:05:01 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Other covers References: <01BCBD45.A12E7220@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> <34158BEA.95C6BDBF@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <341662BD.B1AE200C@colon.net.> Actually, I thought Elton's performance at the funeral was very moving. I'm only sorry he didn't come on dressed up in his best Captain Fantastic outfit and big platform boots, sit down at his Pinball Wizard piano and do that thing he usually does when he looks at the audience as he plays. No, but in all seriousness, I do have a soft spot for Elton. He has got a few good songs, "Rocket Man" for instance. And Watford FC board meetings must have been a scream. Be careful about dissing the D woman in public, I did it on another list and got my hide well and truly tanned. Still can't care about her though... Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From soozy at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 10:22:09 1997 From: soozy at xxx.uk (Soozy) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:22:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 'Sleep The Clock Around' lyrics Message-ID: Here you go... copied word for word from the back of a setlist (I knew there was a reason I nicked that!) ---------------------- Sleep the Clock Around And the moment will come when composure returns Put a face on the world, turn your back to the wall And you walk twenty yards with your head in the air Down the Liberty Hill, where the fashion brigade Look with curious eyes on your raggedy way And for once in your life you have nothing to say And could this be the time when somebody will come To say "Look at yourself, you're not much use to anyone" Take a walk in the park, take a valium pill Read the letter you got from the memory girl But it takes more than this to make sense of the day Yeah it takes more than milk to get rid of the taste And you trusted to this, and you trusted to that And when you saw it all come, it was waving the flag Of the United States of Calamity, hey! After all that you've done, I am sure you're going to pay In the morning you come to the ladies salon To get all fitted out for the Paperback Throne But the people are living far away from the place Where you wanted to help, its a bit of a waste And the puzzle will last till somebody will say "There's a lot to be done while your head is still young" If you put down your pen leave the trouble behind Then the moment will come, and the memory wil shine Now the trouble is over, everybody got paid Everybody is happy, they are glad that they came Then you go to the place where you've finally found You can look at yourself, sleep the clock around -- Soozy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From erst57 at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 13:18:18 1997 From: erst57 at xxx.uk ('Training Unit') Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:18:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Evening Session Message-ID: <199709101218.NAA29220@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> If in anyone(in Britain) wants/needs a copy of the songs played on the evening session this week, mail me . In return I'd appreciate a taped copy of Seymour Stein, and maybe even Tigermilk?? Nathan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 12:58:28 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:58:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Variety box Message-ID: <01BCBDE9.3C562740@rainbow.qss.co.uk> 1. It is perfectly possible to avoid the new "Candle In The Wind" by either finding a decent radio station (like London's new XFM, which plays alternative music all day), or by just not listening to the radio. I managed to miss the whole of Diana's funeral by being in bed recovering from the night before... [Keith Watson] Oddly enough - we decided that as a mark of respect, we'd spend almost 15 hours complete silence, in a near-comatose state ourselves. It's avoidable but let's face facts, it's got to get irritating. Anyway - last I heard about XFM, their idea of "alternative" music was like Carter USM and Ned's Atomic Dustbin - if that's alternative then I'm sticking with Genesis. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From john.jackson at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 16:38:02 1997 From: john.jackson at xxx.uk (Jackson,John) Date: 10 Sep 97 15:38:02 GMT Subject: Sinister: XFM Message-ID: <"F4F41634811CCC7E@wck3.bbc"@-SMF-> I don't know who said XFM wasn't very alternative but I have heard Man Or Astroman, Cha Cha Cohen, Elastica and countless other wonderful tunes on it...Keith Cameron (is it him or Tommy Udo I can never remember) who does the late night prog plays good stuff... JJ x Get well soon Soozy! Everyone send flowers and so on to Soozy... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tanya101 at xxx.com Wed Sep 10 16:05:18 1997 From: Tanya101 at xxx.com (tanya) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:05:18 -0400 Subject: Sinister: re: PBS taping References: Message-ID: <3416B72D.7074@n2k.com> Francisco Alberto Wong wrote: > > I had the recent fortune of being able to attend the perhaps now fabled > Sessions on 54th taping of Belle and Sebastian. > > While the wait outside was gruelling--especially while watching VIP/press > and industry people walk right in without having to wait as long, the show > was very well worth it. I was at the taping as well, and had a press pass. It's true that we were allowed to walk right in, and sat in a room instead of outside, anyone who waited in line probably got a better seat. They brought us in last and I sat in the back on the (looking from the door) right hand side. If I had to do over, I'd stand in line outside. > > Did anyone else think the host's intro kinda cheesy, or not genuine? > That's just Chris Doridas style. He truly loves B&S, and has been playing them on his LA radio show for awhile now. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stip at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 15:08:46 1997 From: Stip at xxx.uk (Stip / Blue Music) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:08:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: xfm Message-ID: >Keith Watson Wrote: >Anyway - last I heard about XFM, their idea of "alternative" music was >like Carter USM and Ned's Atomic Dustbin - if that's alternative then >I'm sticking with Genesis. I agree, Keith - it looks like xfm might be a bit of a let-down - I know it's early days, but I'd hoped the playlist might be a bit more inspiring. Still, I've heard the new arab strap single a couple of times which is a step, albeit a small one, in the right direction. In saying that, I've heard it more often on Radio One, which kind of flattens my point. Still, xfm played Teenage Fanclub's 'God Knows It's True' this morning, so they can't be all bad. Maybe I'm listening to the wrong programmes - has anyone come across a more encouraging slot? -- Nicola M Stip / Blue Music www.stip.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MPRVixen at xxx.com Wed Sep 10 16:39:32 1997 From: MPRVixen at xxx.com (MPRVixen at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: cheezy PBS intro Message-ID: <970910113756_-1400320231@emout17.mail.aol.com> If he was a true fan, he would have come up with something more coherent than "their songs are like old friends you haven't met yet." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 16:54:44 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:54:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister: XFM Message-ID: <01BCBE0A.3DE7C0C0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> I don't know who said XFM wasn't very alternative but I have heard Man Or Astroman, Cha Cha Cohen, Elastica and countless other wonderful tunes on it...Keith Cameron (is it him or Tommy Udo I can never remember) who does the late night prog plays good stuff... [Keith Watson] I can't really comment now as I'm only talking about the time a few years ago when they ran the pilot. I don't doubt that they play some good stuff, the problem is that some people make the following premise: Alternative = Good Mainstream = Crap Whereas I try to make the distinction more like: Good = Good Crap = Crap It's based on a lemma which states that 99.9% of ALL styles of music are crap - no matter where you look. Belle and sebastian Belle and Sebastian Belle and Sebastian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From muellerj at xxx.edu Wed Sep 10 17:02:37 1997 From: muellerj at xxx.edu (Telepathic Traffic) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:02:37 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: re: who was there In-Reply-To: <3416B72D.7074@n2k.com> Message-ID: well I was next to you francisco...i was also in the front, right next to the speaker. I had the mustard yellow sweater and Dirty Three t-shirt. Also..I was under the impression that these were their first US date, however, I recall questions concerning shows in Boston as well as Chicago...did those never formulate? jason *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& & another piece of drama mind: * *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& "peanut butter toast and american bandstand teach me how to cook teach me how to dance" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From john.jackson at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 18:20:33 1997 From: john.jackson at xxx.uk (Jackson,John) Date: 10 Sep 97 17:20:33 GMT Subject: Sinister: Cha Cha Cohen & Comfort Message-ID: <"F00F1734811CCC7E@wck3.bbc"@-SMF-> Comfort was called Simon something or other I think and In The Groove Again was excellent...a good buy for 99p anyway! I have never heard Cha Cha Cohen until last night..my princess Rachel told me about them though, she had heard them in the US JJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 17:22:05 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:22:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: XFM Message-ID: I agree that XFM does play some rubbish at times, but it's still better than anything else on offer at the moment. It's good to find people who don't think "alternative" means playing Oasis and Ocean Duller Scene five times every hour. Mind you, I don't remember hearing a single B&S track yet. Don't think much of the breakfast show guy though, I think I'll stick to Radcliffe/Greening on Radio 1. Unfortunately I'm leaving London in ten days time ready to go back to uni, so it's back to listening to CDs I guess. Stuart P.S. Why is someone who works at the BBC going on about how good XFM is? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leslie.chinea at xxx.com Wed Sep 10 12:06:11 1997 From: leslie.chinea at xxx.com (leslie.chinea at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:06:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: PBS taping Message-ID: <0001BB54.003103@xx.emimusic.com> When they asked for requests the guy sitting next to me whispered "Freebird" thank god he didn't have the guts to shout it out loud. The host's intro seemed shy and meek to me and that kinda fit with the whole atmosphere. I agree the wait was grueling, but it made me appreciate the experience that much more. Leslie. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Sinister: re: PBS taping Author: Francisco Alberto Wong at X-MAIL Date: 9/9/97 10:06 PM I had the recent fortune of being able to attend the perhaps now fabled Sessions on 54th taping of Belle and Sebastian. While the wait outside was gruelling--especially while watching VIP/press and industry people walk right in without having to wait as long, the show was very well worth it. I wish the band had played more songs off IYFS or the 2 current eps, but still, being witness to a slew of new songs certainly made the event interesting. Part of the excitement was also seeing the notoriously camera-shy band in person--quite a good-looking band, eh?--as well as having the back of my head gloriously presented before the cameras as they craned and dollied here and there 'round them. Isobel sang the first song, "Is It Wicked Not To Care". This was followed by "Like Dylan In the Movies", "Ease Your Feet In the Sea", "Century of Elvis", "Slow Graffitti", a flubbed and playful "Mayfly" (Stuart had to read the lyrics of a copy of the album that an audeince member donated), a slow (lazy?) "Lazy Line-Painter Jane", "Seymour Stein" (which I believe Stevie sang), "Sleep the Clock Around", the epic "Roller COaster Ride". It was beautiful. They were playful even tho nervous. I wish I saw them Saturday or Sunday, you lucky lucky people. When they asked for a cover, I'm glad no one yelled out Freebird; someone should have yelled out "Jennifer Juniper". I should have yelled out "Jennifer Juniper". Did anyone else think the host's intro kinda cheesy, or not genuine? francisco ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- Received: from server1.emimusic.com (193.122.8.130) by imailgp.xx.emimusic.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0001B77D; Wed, 10 Sep 97 03:50:32 +0100 Received: from envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (envy.ph.ed.ac.uk [129.215.72.168]) by server1.emimusic.com with SMTP id DAA25174 for (2.1.1h-8.8.5/3.1.17); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:43:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA16545 for sinister-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:06:38 +0100 Received: from konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (cu56193 at konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.132]) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA16540 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:06:34 +0100 Received: from localhost (faw1 at localhost) by konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA15673 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:06:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Francisco Alberto Wong To: sinister Subject: Sinister: re: PBS taping Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Francisco Alberto Wong From Tanya101 at xxx.com Wed Sep 10 17:39:03 1997 From: Tanya101 at xxx.com (tanya) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:39:03 -0400 Subject: Sinister: cheezy PBS intro References: <970910113756_-1400320231@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <3416CD20.38DE@n2k.com> What an obnoxious indie-snob thing to say. Yes, his intro was cheesy, but I could go the rest of my life without hearing someone preface a statement with "If ___ were a true fan"...who are you to decide what constitutes a true fan? MPRVixen at aol.com wrote: > > If he was a true fan, he would have come up with something more coherent than > "their songs are like old friends you haven't met yet." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mlang at xxx.com Wed Sep 10 18:45:02 1997 From: mlang at xxx.com (Matrix) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:45:02 -0500 Subject: Sinister: If You're Feeling Sinister Message-ID: Why can't I wear this record out? Has anyone else had the experience of putting this record on every day for the past six months thinking you might tire of it but you never do? It is like a fix. Judy and the Dream of Horses is the only song that has worn out slightly for me. I am thrilled with the prospect of a long and prosperous career for these guys. Has anyone heard a record they like more this year? The only other record that even comes close for me is Spiritualized's beautfully haunting LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE ARE FLOATING IN SPACE and Moloko's DO YOU LIKE MY TIGHT SWEATER. As far as gender issues, I think Seeing Other People is the best example of this. The song is really ambiguous. When Stuart Murdoch sings, "you'd be better of going with girls at least they know what they're doing" he could be talking to a woman or a man. There's a hand over his mouth because he has to keep the relationship secret.... Still it is kept very ambiguous. One of the newer songs had some ambiguities in it. I think that these songs are the product of a more open minded generation and also probably result in more Smiths comparisons. Morrisey liked to leave things vague as well. How old was the violin player, by the way? matrix ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From chris_wirth at xxx.com Wed Sep 10 17:50:08 1997 From: chris_wirth at xxx.com (Chris Wirth) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:50:08 -0700 Subject: Sinister: XFM Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From john.jackson at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 19:02:45 1997 From: john.jackson at xxx.uk (Jackson,John) Date: 10 Sep 97 18:02:45 GMT Subject: Sinister: Sessions at West 54th Street Message-ID: <"F30F1734811CCC7E@wck3.bbc"@-SMF-> Hello. Me and Rachel were at that taping too, we waited in line from about 215 until 4ish before we went in, we were quite near the front... they seemed to cock up quite a few times but it was still cool.. Stuart Murdoch at one point said "anyone here from Britain", I kind of shouted out "I am" to which he looked at me, looked away and said "It's great innit" and carried on with the set.. Rachel and I were surprised though when the drummer who was taking pics of the band turned and took a pic of us..though maybe it wasn't of us.. The set was far too short though it gave us a chance to hear some of the new songs again just in time for the Angel Orensanz Sunday gig where they seemed 'like old friends' we HAD met. Favourite new song is the Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner...good stuff. I even like Lazy Jane now, that's cos I've seen it twice in a row without Monica singing...I prefer the Stuart solo version... The actual programme appears to be on Sat nights at 10 ish on WNET which is channel 13 on their cable thing, I watched the Daniel Lanois one that Saturday.. B&S is supposed to be shown late November... JJ x ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 17:36:39 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:36:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: cheezy PBS intro Message-ID: <01BCBE10.18F8BD40@rainbow.qss.co.uk> If he was a true fan, he would have come up with something more coherent than "their songs are like old friends you haven't met yet." [Keith Watson] True enough - he might as well have said "Their songs are like diseases you haven't yet heard of" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike.newman at xxx.net Wed Sep 10 18:41:39 1997 From: mike.newman at xxx.net (Mike Newman) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:41:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: cheezy PBS intro In-Reply-To: <970910113756_-1400320231@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:39:32 -0400 (EDT), MPRVixen at aol.com said: << If he was a true fan, he would have come up with something more coherent than "their songs are like old friends you haven't met yet." >> Can somebody tell me when the "True Fan Committee" meets next, I was thinking maybe I would apply... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics/Bacchanalian Revel homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike.newman at xxx.net Wed Sep 10 18:41:42 1997 From: mike.newman at xxx.net (Mike Newman) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:41:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: If You're Feeling Sinister In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:45:02 -0500, mlang at inch.com (Matrix) said: << Why can't I wear this record out? Has anyone else had the experience of putting this record on every day for the past six months thinking you might tire of it but you never do? It is like a fix. Judy and the Dream of Horses is the only song that has worn out slightly for me. >> Same experience with the record, except that "Judy..." was the last song to 'click' for me. I normally buy something new which sort of takes precedence over older stuff, but I keep going back to this record day after day. I'm beginning to really irritate friends with it too... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics/Bacchanalian Revel homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 17:33:12 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:33:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: off topic: you may as well di References: <01BCBD45.A12E7220@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> <34158BEA.95C6BDBF@mail.zynet.co.uk> <341662BD.B1AE200C@colon.net.> Message-ID: <3416CBC8.7BA4A4C8@mail.zynet.co.uk> > Be careful about dissing the D woman in public, > I did it on another list > and got my hide well and truly tanned. Still > can't care about her > though... if you're afraid of being constructively critical then you may as well give up your life now. i mean, it scares me that we can be 'scared' into hiding our opinions or true feelings just because we know they do not concur with the media manipulated mass 'normality'. That sucks. Besides which it isn't the woman that's the issue here. This hasn't been about di, it's been about media and the way in which we use and allow media to direct our lives. Maybe people just find the fact that we are all to a greater or lesser extent on the end of puppet strings a harder truth to grieve about than the death of somone they never met. Sorry this has been off-topic, but hey, you know, rules are for breaking, man. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 17:24:28 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:24:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: gender issues References: Message-ID: <3416C9BB.37AFE6AE@mail.zynet.co.uk> > I didn't mean to imply that I minded (if that's > what you mean). I actually > think it's rather refreshing to hear songs with > mixed sexual messages that > don't seem to be making any particular point. one of the things i like most about B&S (and there's lots i do love - like did i mention that the past couple of days driving to school, playing 'Tigermilk', i've again been struck by the lovely trumpets which make me think of June Brides? Now i bet Stuart loved the June Brides...) is the lyrical ambiguity, which is, i feel, very contemporary. I like the fact that there is a certain sexlessness around (not to be confused with a lack of sex or sexual attraction) these days. Maybe it's the ultimate in centralist politics, i dunno, but whatever... B&S cross gender boundaries with ease. But then do so much with ease that it's hardly surprising. the duke Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Wed Sep 10 19:09:15 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:09:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: we- love- we love you... References: <970910113756_-1400320231@emout17.mail.aol.com> <3416CD20.38DE@n2k.com> Message-ID: <3416E24B.866BEA14@mcmail.com> > What an obnoxious indie-snob thing to say. Yes, his intro was cheesy, > but I could go the rest of my life without hearing someone preface a > statement with "If ___ were a true fan"...who are you to decide what > constitutes a true fan? Hear, hear, Tanya!... And to the perpetrator(s) of the original comment in general: The very juxtaposition of the words 'true/real/proper/original/etc.' and 'fan' gets lots of peoples' backs up you know, and not out of paranoia that you mean us, either. People love music in different ways- it all depends on their own persona and style. Or are all B&S fans supposed to be the same?! (I speak as one who once went to a My Life Story gig as a goth just *because* everyone else always wears feathers and tiaras...and might I add the band thought I looked good...up the individualists.) If I were in a band (one that were actually going somewhere, that is), I would be glad of ANY fans! Surely you'd have been more upset if he slagged them off. Oh, and incidentally *hauls out well-thumbed Chamber's 20th Century Dictionary* a fan is: "a fanatic; now (from US use) a devotee or enthusiastic follower of some sport or hobby, or public favourite." Hands up anyone who could point out an 'unreal' fan then?! Love Kate xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 19:16:50 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:16:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: true fan committee References: Message-ID: <3416E412.75CAF339@mail.zynet.co.uk> > << If he was a true fan, he would have come up > with something more > coherent than "their songs are like old friends > you haven't met yet." >> > > Can somebody tell me when the "True Fan > Committee" meets next, I was > thinking maybe I would apply... you're all going to be feeling mighty pissed when B&S make the 'real' charts and they run pictures and gossip in the teen mags and 15 year old girlies and boys start wearing B&S badges (hey! the kids in my art class want the badges because they look cool and brown is the 'in' colour this season!) and shirts. Of course we'll all be mooching around saying how they aren't as good as they used to be (even/especially if/when they are miles better), we'll be wearing our copies of Tigermilk on our sleeves (or making up stories about how your copy got nicked at at a party once, which explains the gap in your collection) and trying to convince everyone that, no, really, that dodgy band from Durham that were inspired by and who just sound a bit like B&S are actually BETTER. No shit. Looking forward to that day immensely so i can laugh at myself. the duke ps: does anyone think that it's the Stray Cats when the new green day record starts? only saying this because i'm forced to listen to the evening session show this week... yikes. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 19:36:33 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:36:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: If You're Feeling Sinister References: Message-ID: <3416E8B1.A4E91E0F@mail.zynet.co.uk> > As far as gender issues, I think Seeing Other > People is the best example of > this. The song is really ambiguous. When > Stuart Murdoch sings, "you'd be > better of going with girls at least they know > what they're doing" he could > be talking to a woman or a man. There's a hand > over his mouth because he > has to keep the relationship secret.... except of course he sings 'at least they know where to put it', which sort of takes away the ambiguity i think ;-) > songs are the product of a more open minded > generation and also probably > result in more Smiths comparisons. Morrisey > liked to leave things vague as > well. well yeah, i think it IS the product of a generation who are less uptight about defining their sexuality in rigid terms, who are more fluid in their sexuality if you like. i agree with the Smiths/Morrissey thing to a point as well. That was an example of sexuality becoming less fixed, and i think it explains at least in part why Smiths were popular amongst women (aprt from the fact that a lot of my girl friends thought Moz was gorgeous...), but at the same time i think to a lot of people there was a fairly strong and explicit homosexual angle on the Smiths lyrics and performance, certainly in the early days, what with James Maker go-go dancing, and the Wildean reference points. It was kind of perverse anti-Arcadian theatre... and the sexual angle in that was important. I don't think B&S are in any way as political in their sexuality as the early Smiths were. Also, i have to admit i got very annoyed at Morrissey's continual assertion that he was in some way beyond sex, that he was a-sexual, and those of us who knew, knew very well about his 'affairs' with the likes of, oh what was his name, the manager of Easterhouse... whatever his name was. BUt you know, we were fans, we didn't say a thing. I regret that i wasn't strong enough to be angry about his hypocrisy at the time though... Hindsight, huh? waiting with baited breath for the next session track, the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Wed Sep 10 19:58:07 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Variety box In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > 3. For those who weren't listening / don't live in Britain, the Evening > Session played B&S's session version of "Sleep the Clock Around" (at > least I think that's what it was called) last night. It sounds like a > very promising song, but unfortunately I couldn't make out any of the > lyrics at all. Anyone help? Oh, and who was doing the female backing > vocals? Yes the song is called "Sleep the Clock Around", and I believe Isobel performs the backing. francisco ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From dickon at xxx.uk Wed Sep 10 20:50:04 1997 From: dickon at xxx.uk (Dickon Edwards) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:50:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Cover Versions Message-ID: <199709101950.UAA13382@orange.easynet.co.uk> On the subject of cover versions, I'd personally like to hear Belle and Sebastian covering Orlando's "Save Yourself". But then again, I would: I wrote it. I also read with interest the New York Times piece on the recent concerts by B&S and Beth Orton that was posted here recently: >Ms. Orton dedicated "I Wish I Never Saw the Sunshine" to Diana, Princess of >Wales, softly intoning such moving lyrics as "If I never saw the sunshine, >baby, then maybe I wouldn't mind the rain." I take it that the correspondant didn't realise that this was of course, a cover version of The Ronettes' "I Wish I Never Saw The Sunshine", recorded in the 60s by Phil Spector but shelved until the numerous Spector reissues years later... I hate it when I know more about music than people who are paid to do so. Dickon website: http://www.totalweb.co.uk/orlando/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Wed Sep 10 20:59:38 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:59:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:XFM + irrelevant stuff Message-ID: <01BCBE2C.89A28820@host5-99-49-70.btinternet.com> In answer to Keith Watson, Most mainstream is crap, mainstream is what the general public buy; and we all know how thick they are. Think how many genuinely good bands have been successful in recent years, I'll bet you won't get more than 10 or so, if that. As Everyone is talking about Diana (well two are anyway) I Thought I'd send this taken from Private eye. It sums up a lot: The late Princess Diana - an apology. In recent weeks (not to mention the last ten years) we at the Daily Gnome, in common with all other newspapers, may have inadvertently conveyed the impression that the late Princess of Wales was in some way a neurotic, irresponsible and manipulative troublemaker who had repeatedly meddled in political matters that did not concern her and personally embarassed Her Majesty the Queen by her mediterranean love-romps with the son of a discredited Egyptian businessman. We now realise as of Sunday morning that the Princess of Hearts was in fact the most saintly woman who has ever lived, who, with her charitable activities, brought hope and succour to hundreds and millions of people all over the world. We would like to express our sincere and deepest hypocrisy to all our readers on this tragic day and hope and pray that they will carry on buying our paper notwithstanding. By the way I'm not bitter about the fact that everyone is saying they saw B&S play live, not bitter at all. Can't you smell the satisfaction on their breath? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leslie.chinea at xxx.com Wed Sep 10 13:34:49 1997 From: leslie.chinea at xxx.com (leslie.chinea at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:34:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: cheezy PBS intro Message-ID: <0001BCE7.003103@xx.emimusic.com> If he was a true fan, he would have come up with something more coherent ." Like what? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Sinister: cheezy PBS intro Author: MPRVixen at aol.com at X-MAIL Date: 9/10/97 11:39 AM If he was a true fan, he would have come up with something more coherent than "their songs are like old friends you haven't met yet." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- Received: from server1.emimusic.com (193.122.8.130) by imailgp.xx.emimusic.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0001BB65; Wed, 10 Sep 97 17:39:22 +0100 Received: from sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk [129.215.72.230]) by server1.emimusic.com with SMTP id RAA29335 for (2.1.1h-8.8.5/3.1.17); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:32:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA23148 for sinister-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:39:46 +0100 Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.43]) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA23142 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:39:42 +0100 From: MPRVixen at xxx.com Received: (from root at localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA28137 for sinister at majordomo.net; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970910113756_-1400320231 at emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Sinister: cheezy PBS intro Precedence: bulk Reply-To: MPRVixen at aol.com From madelain-jp at xxx.fr Wed Sep 10 22:06:37 1997 From: madelain-jp at xxx.fr (Jean-Philippe Madelaine) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:06:37 +0200 Subject: Sinister: If You're Feeling Sinister Message-ID: <199709102101.XAA13938@pauline.infonie.fr> I'm living the same experience. And hearing If you're feeling sinister right now. But unfortunately, for a french fan of B&S like me, it's very hard to find the records : I have to ask my shop to purchase these in England. What a pity !!! And just a question : although I'm french, I don't understand "Le pastie de la bourgeoisie". What does it mean ? And last but not least, when will "3,6,9 seconds of light" be available ?? JP, a french guy alone on this mailing list (or it seems to be so) PS : There is an other record I'm all the time hearing : Immobile. It's a reord of a french group called "Autour de Lucie". Merveilleux !!! ---- De : Matrix A : sinister at majordomo.net Date : mercredi 10 septembre 1997 19:02 Objet : Sinister: If You're Feeling Sinister Why can't I wear this record out? Has anyone else had the experience of putting this record on every day for the past six months thinking you might tire of it but you never do? It is like a fix. Judy and the Dream of Horses is the only song that has worn out slightly for me. I am thrilled with the prospect of a long and prosperous career for these guys. Has anyone heard a record they like more this year? The only other record that even comes close for me is Spiritualized's beautfully haunting LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE ARE FLOATING IN SPACE and Moloko's DO YOU LIKE MY TIGHT SWEATER. As far as gender issues, I think Seeing Other People is the best example of this. The song is really ambiguous. When Stuart Murdoch sings, "you'd be better of going with girls at least they know what they're doing" he could be talking to a woman or a man. There's a hand over his mouth because he has to keep the relationship secret.... Still it is kept very ambiguous. One of the newer songs had some ambiguities in it. I think that these songs are the product of a more open minded generation and also probably result in more Smiths comparisons. Morrisey liked to leave things vague as well. How old was the violin player, by the way? matrix ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ... This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list... To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net"... For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see.. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister.. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net---------------------------------- ------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Thu Sep 11 07:59:42 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:59:42 -0700 Subject: Sinister: unrelated Message-ID: <341796DE.5844@earthlink.net> hey. this is my first post to the list, and for some reason i've got a totally b&s unrelated question. is anyone out there a fan of the band MOOSE ? does anyone know if they are still around? i have never been able to find anything about them on the web, and i know there are a few non-stateside people on this list who might know what's going on with them. you can reply to me personally if you know anything. on another note...i've been a long time fan of the tindersticks, and on their mailing list just about every other post had something to say about b & s. so, i got sick of hearing about what all the fuss was about so i went out and bought sinister and lazy line painter. this was about a week ago. i have now claimed them to be the best band i've ever heard. one week. that's all it took. they give me the feeling that i'm listening to something special. you know, kinda like the first time you heard the smiths, or the first time you heard felt, or, well, i don't know what i'm trying to say. it's just been a long time since i heard a band that made me feel like this. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From dmurray at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 07:52:59 1997 From: dmurray at xxx.com (Deirdre Murray) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:52:59 +-100 Subject: Sinister: Mailing list Message-ID: <01BCBE87.BF766100@deirdre> Hello people, please put me on your mailing list. Any chance of Belle and Sebastian playing Aberdeen this year ? Mail dmurray at allied-corp.com Cheers min! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leslie.chinea at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 02:30:55 1997 From: leslie.chinea at xxx.com (leslie.chinea at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:30:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Princess Die Message-ID: <0001BED9.003103@xx.emimusic.com> Did you know what Princess Di's dress was made of on the night of her accident? Crushed Velvet. Oops did I say that? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Princess Die Author: Leslie Chinea at US_LA_EMD Date: 9/8/97 10:09 PM thought this was about your speed... ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Princess Die Author: Hayley Tapp at US_LA_EMD Date: 9/8/97 5:03 PM Did you guys hear about Princess Di's accident? She's been all over the radio all week...as well as the dashboard and the windshield! Ok, don't kill me. I'm just the messenger. Hayley ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From erst57 at xxx.uk Thu Sep 11 09:46:56 1997 From: erst57 at xxx.uk (Nathan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:46:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Evening Session!!!! Message-ID: <199709110846.JAA13850@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Sorry, but I can't give a copy of the songs taped off the E. Session to anyone else. I've already got to send out loads, and I'm completely broke, and owe #40 to the uni library(stamps and tapes aren't cheap). Maybe some other people could offer ?? Nathan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 12:15:41 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:15:41 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about djs Message-ID: <199709111006.LAA16307@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> >I think I'll stick to Radcliffe/Greening on Radio 1. That Greening bloke is really shit. I've ended up just listening to CD's in the morning. I'll tune in again when Mark and Lard return. Although they're morning show is a watered down, mainstreamed version of the old nightime slot. I look forward to the day they go back to doing to late show. Playing the music they want to play, and getting rid of that old git Peel and his crappy techno rubblish for good. At least you folks in London have a half decent alternative with XFM. The thing is, they need to get as many listeners as posible, which means playing the most mainstream indie. I'd still prefer that to the spice girls, elton john etc. John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Thu Sep 11 11:30:28 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:30:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about djs Message-ID: Non-British readers may as well give this one a miss... >That Greening bloke is really shit. I've ended up just listening to CD's >in the morning. I'll tune in again when Mark and Lard return. Although >they're morning show is a watered down, mainstreamed version of the old >nightime slot. > >I look forward to the day they go back to doing to late show. Playing the >music they want to play, and getting rid of that old git Peel and his >crappy techno rubblish for good. > >At least you folks in London have a half decent alternative with XFM. The >thing is, they need to get as many listeners as posible, which means >playing the most mainstream indie. I'd still prefer that to the spice >girls, elton john etc. > >John S. I've been really disappointed with the Radcliffe breakfast show actually. The music's far too standard - he has been known to play the Spice Girls and other crimes against humanity. The best bit about his evening shows was always the five minute rants about various topics, which were frequently hilarious, but that seems to have been labeled as too risky for daytime. At least Kevin Greening is still funny in the mornings (and occasionally wonderfully surreal). But then, anything is an improvement on the Ginger Twat. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Thu Sep 11 11:52:01 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:52:01 +0200 Subject: Sinister: unrelated Message-ID: <199709111050.MAA11630@mail1.isdnet.net> MOOSE!! what a great band!!! saw them live twice...great albums especially "honey bee"...friends with the BOO RADLEYS...that awful woman from the cranberries did backing vocals on "xyz" the first album (that was before she became the famous warbler we know now"...very underrated band i think, just like KITCHENS OF DISCTINCTION.... anybody have any more to add??? alan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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Near Ipswich. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Thu Sep 11 14:34:13 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:34:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about djs Message-ID: <01BCBEBF.C6ED4240@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> John Stuart wrote: >I look forward to the day they go back to doing to late show. Playing the music they want to play, and getting rid of that old git Peel and his crappy techno rubblish for good. Well, you really asked for it, didn't you? I'd agree that Peel does play probably.....ooh, often as many as two crappy techno records in every show, but come on..........where else (in the world?) are you going to hear such great and diverse music as Peel plays ON ONE SHOW? The man's (virtually) irreplaceable - forget Radcliffe (whom I like, but..), forget Lamacq or any of your XFM dj's, they don't begin to cover the diversity of stuff that Peel does. I've been listening to Peel for almost 20 years, and have heard all the great bands (bar none!) FIRST on John Peel - ok, let's name drop a little, shall we.......Joy Division, The Fall, Orange Juice, Fire Engines, Gang of Four, Birthday Party, The Smiths, Sonic Youth, Public Enemy, My Bloody Valentine, Pavement, Belle & Sebastian(!) - heard 'em all on Peel first (and I'm talking their early stuff here, when no-one else wanted to know ). And I don't buy that "Yeah, he used to be good, but nowadays....." line either. Where else can you hear stuff like Neutral Milk Hotel, We, Dymaxion (if you've not heard of these, you ain't been LISTENING). I'm not saying that these bands wouldn't have made it without Peel, although I'm sure there are many who wouldn't, but no other dj that I'm aware of can claim to have championed so many great and deserving artistes. No one else comes close. Can I have the cheque now please, John? Nigel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jan.jonson at xxx.se Thu Sep 11 15:59:20 1997 From: jan.jonson at xxx.se (isabella) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:59:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about John Peel References: <199709111006.LAA16307@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> <3417EB91.DC64329D@colon.net.> Message-ID: <3418073A.11ED@communique.se> unsubcribe ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Sep 11 12:02:50 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:02:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Radio / Mainstream Message-ID: <01BCBEAA.A0CF7700@rainbow.qss.co.uk> It's certainly true that Radcliffe's not as good as he used to be, it's also true that Kevin Greening is shite. Peel's also a sad old bastard who's just become a parody of himself, he seems to just play any old pish and claim that it's a thrilling new modernist record. I haven't heard Mark Radcliffe play Belle and Sebastian yet (although I don't listen too much) on the mornin show, which is odd given that he played "The State that I am In" the week that Tigermilk was released, plus had the two sessions. I find myself unable to enter into any mainstream/alternative debate just because these classifications are pointless, one of my favourite singles of the year has been "Remember me" by Blueboy, which could certainly be described as mainstream. There's no point in saying "Alternative is better because [say] The Smiths are better than the Spice girls". That's like saying "Mainstream is better because the Beatles are better than Thousand Yard Stare". Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Sep 11 15:10:59 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:10:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about djs Message-ID: <01BCBEC4.EA17FF80@rainbow.qss.co.uk> great bands (bar none!) FIRST on John Peel - ok, let's name drop a little, shall we.......Joy Division, The Fall, Orange Juice, Fire Engines, Gang of Four, Birthday Party, The Smiths, Sonic Youth, Public Enemy, My Bloody Valentine, Pavement, Belle & Sebastian(!) - heard 'em all on Peel first (and I'm [Keith Watson] Yes... but isn't this just because he plays virtually anything that's new - he's bound to score a few hts given that he's been on for 30 years. I notice that out of all of these, only two bands are from the 90's, and Belle and Sebastian were on Radcliffe first. Most of these bands were from the 80's, when he was on (almost intolerably) every night, with bands like Napalm Death and Terminal Cheescake, Wedding Present sessions every week and a love for bands like Stump - then he got into world music + acid house, and again managed to make his show virtually unlistenable by single-handedly picking bollock loads of shit tracks to play. [ Incidentally - since B+S are in America at the moment in case people think this discussion is losing the thread a bit, there's not really much news to report, when they're back I suppose it'll get back on the track a bit. Also, am I the only one to think that "Slow Grafitti" which was on the radio last night was not just a *tad* bit boring? ] Cheers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Thu Sep 11 15:22:24 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:22:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about djs Message-ID: >Well, you really asked for it, didn't you? I'd agree that Peel does play >probably.....ooh, often as many as two crappy techno records in every show, >but come on..........where else (in the world?) are you going to hear such >great and diverse music as Peel plays ON ONE SHOW? The man's (virtually) >irreplaceable - forget Radcliffe (whom I like, but..), forget Lamacq or any >of your XFM dj's, they don't begin to cover the diversity of stuff that Peel >does. I've been listening to Peel for almost 20 years, and have heard all >the great bands (bar none!) FIRST on John Peel - ok, let's name drop a >little, shall we.......Joy Division, The Fall, Orange Juice, Fire Engines, >Gang of Four, Birthday Party, The Smiths, Sonic Youth, Public Enemy, My >Bloody Valentine, Pavement, Belle & Sebastian(!) - heard 'em all on Peel >first (and I'm talking their early stuff here, when no-one else wanted to >know ). And I don't buy that "Yeah, he used to be good, but nowadays....." >line either. Where else can you hear stuff like Neutral Milk Hotel, We, >Dymaxion (if you've not heard of these, you ain't been LISTENING). I'm not >saying that these bands wouldn't have made it without Peel, although I'm sure >there are many who wouldn't, but no other dj that I'm aware of can claim to >have championed so many great and deserving artistes. No one else comes >close. Can I have the cheque now please, John? > >Nigel So where does that leave all the excellent bands Peel never played (Pulp and Blur spring to mind. Or is that too 'mainstream' for you?). He's NOT first off the block with new bands (only last night he was going on about playing a record for the first time which he'd heard on Mary-Anne Hobbs about a month ago, and Radcliffe was way ahead with B&S (who as far as I know have never done a Peel session)). As for the only measure of a good radio show being variety, I'd have said any show that plays the Spice Girls and the Prodigy is pretty diverse, that doesn't make it good. The problem with Peel is that because he's been around so long, and in that time he has admittedly played quite a few good groups (he'd be doing pretty badly if he hadn't), he's been given God-like status by people who now think whatever he plays must be good. For heaven's sake, the man still plays Fall records... Stuart G > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Thu Sep 11 16:13:55 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:13:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about djs Message-ID: <01BCBECD.B4DD33E0@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> >So where does that leave all the excellent bands Peel never played (Pulp Erm.....just one cotton-picking minute there. He played Pulp back in 1985!!! And, yes, I do like Pulp. > He's NOT first off the block with new bands (only last night he was going on about playing a record for the first time which he'd heard on Mary-Anne Hobbs about a month ago, and Radcliffe was way ahead with B&S (who as far as I know have never done a Peel session)). I didn't say first with EVERY band (although nearly always with the ones that count), but the fact that you remember him talking about hearing a record played first on MAH suggests that this ain't too frequent an occurrence. Radcliffe was there early on B&S, admittedly, (couldn't say who was first for sure - couldn't really care) but Peel also played stuff from Tigermilk. >As for the only measure of a good radio show being variety, I'd have said any show that plays the Spice Girls and the Prodigy is pretty diverse, that doesn't make it good. No, I said GREAT and DIVERSE. > The problem with Peel is that because he's been around so long, and in that time he has admittedly played quite a few good groups Understatement of all time? >(he'd be doing pretty badly if he hadn't), he's been given God-like status by people who now think whatever he plays must be good. For heaven's sake, the man still plays Fall records... I'm with you on this one. Although I felt obliged to jump to his defence (not that he needs anyone to defend him), I'm totally against deification, be it dj's, princesses, whatever. And the Fall haven't made a decent record since 1983. Nigel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Ciflux at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 16:44:22 1997 From: Ciflux at xxx.com (Ciflux at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: more on the NY taping... Message-ID: <970911114139_-1433812736@emout04.mail.aol.com> I know this has been discussed to death, but... << > I had the recent fortune of being able to attend the perhaps now fabled > Sessions on 54th taping of Belle and Sebastian. Me too. My girlfriend Callie and I were there, sitting right behind the drummer. (It was funny watching him take pictures in between songs.) Strangely, I've heard some *very* mixed reviews about this taping. How could anyone not have felt privileged and honored to be there? Sure, they played mostly new songs, but by Sunday night, they'd already become lodged in my head as new favorites. And certainly they were more awkward and fumbling than at Angel Orensanz, but that seemed entirely appropriate to both the situation and B&S themselves. I'm confident that even the most cynical attendees will be bragging to their grandchildren about having been there :). I found out later that Beck was scheduled to do a taping the very next afternoon. If only I'd known, I'd have been on the phone to Sony Studios in search of passes for that, too! mike appelstein ciflux at aol.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 18:02:12 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:02:12 +0000 Subject: Sinister: DJ Debate (not really about b&s, sorry!) Message-ID: <199709111553.QAA31894@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> >Well, you really asked for it, didn't you? I'd agree that Peel does play >probably.....ooh, often as many as two crappy techno records in every show, >but come on..........where else (in the world?) are you going to hear such >great and diverse music as Peel plays ON ONE SHOW? The man's (virtually) >irreplaceable - forget Radcliffe (whom I like, but..), forget Lamacq or any >of your XFM dj's, they don't begin to cover the diversity of stuff that Peel >does. I've been listening to Peel for almost 20 years, and have heard all >the great bands (bar none!) FIRST on John Peel - ok, let's name drop a >little, shall we.......Joy Division, The Fall, Orange Juice, Fire Engines, >Gang of Four, Birthday Party, The Smiths, Sonic Youth, Public Enemy, My >Bloody Valentine, Pavement, Belle & Sebastian(!) - heard 'em all on Peel >first (and I'm talking their early stuff here, when no-one else wanted to >know ). And I don't buy that "Yeah, he used to be good, but nowadays....." >line either. Where else can you hear stuff like Neutral Milk Hotel, We, >Dymaxion (if you've not heard of these, you ain't been LISTENING). I'm not >saying that these bands wouldn't have made it without Peel, although I'm sure >there are many who wouldn't, but no other dj that I'm aware of can claim to >have championed so many great and deserving artistes. No one else comes >close. Can I have the cheque now please, John? > >Nigel I'm sorry but I don't care how diverse a DJ is. I think it is far more important what music they play. I used to fall asleep to the Radcliffe show. He played lots of beautiful music which I really liked. Belle & Sebby, The Sundays, Beth Orton. John Peel seems to play head hurting techno everytime I happen to listen. This of course is just my personal preference, hope I've not offended Nigel or anybody else with my comments. BTW, it was Radcliffe who first started playing Belle & Sebastian. John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Sep 11 17:16:45 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:16:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about djs References: <199709111006.LAA16307@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Message-ID: <3418196D.F659E17E@mail.zynet.co.uk> > I look forward to the day they go back to doing > to late show. Playing the > music they want to play, and getting rid of that > old git Peel and his > crappy techno rubblish for good. ah, so now i know what to fill upi your Friends Again tape with! A bundle of bangin' d'n'b tunes! wicked... > At least you folks in London have a half decent > alternative with XFM. The > thing is, they need to get as many listeners as > posible, which means > playing the most mainstream indie. I'd still > prefer that to the spice > girls, elton john etc. no on no no NO! I can't belieeeeeve you'd rather have the plodding nonsense of 'mainstream indie' (translates us unimaginative, generic twaddle) over the Spice Girls! Give me Pop Songs over self indulgent guitar wank any day. Speaking of which, someone sent me the new Sleeper CD single today. Anyone who wants to take it off my hands simply complete the following statement: I only listen to Sleeper records because Louise Wiener look like a.... There's a 'nice' black and white pic of the 'lady' in question to go with it... And not a mention of Belle and Sebastian. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Sep 11 17:09:20 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:09:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Princess Die References: <0001BED9.003103@xx.emimusic.com> Message-ID: <341817AF.6B3CF302@mail.zynet.co.uk> > Did you know what Princess Di's dress was > made of on the night of > her accident? > > Crushed Velvet. wanna hear a real juicy piece of gossip? i heard that the autopsies of Di and Dodie (sp?) show that they were both coked up to the eyeballs... that's as in cocaine, not cola :-) just a vicious rumour, or the tatty truth? you decide... the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Sep 11 18:03:14 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:03:14 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about djs References: <199709111006.LAA16307@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> <3418196D.F659E17E@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <34182452.EEDA5A88@colon.net.> I only listen to Sleeper records because Louise Wiener looks like a...sausage! I went to a star-studded premiere of Trainspotting at the San Sebastian film festival and they played that bloody Blondie cover over and over and over before it started. The "stars" included that girl Diane, introduced with the words, "not only is she beautiful and talented, but she also has the genorosity to get undressed for us!" Oh, how we laughed. By the way, this year's festival starts next week, so I shall be hob-nobbing with stars of the calibre of Michael "Kirk" Douglas and Julia "Pretty Woman" Rogers for the next ten days or so. It seems to me that I shall be living my life like a candle in the wind... I'd better mention Belle and Sebastian. In Barcelona they will be gracing the "rock" stage, together with the likes of Billy Bragg. Sadly not on the same day. Right, I'm going upfield... Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Thu Sep 11 18:00:18 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:00:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The mailing list formerly known as being about B&S Message-ID: We seem to be divided into two categories here (or three if you count the people who just don't give a toss and are probably getting bored of all this!); 1. The 'hard-core' indie fan. Listens to John Peel. Thinks variety means hearing as many different bands as possible, preferably ones no-one has heard of. Thinks credibility is gained by having seen "Tonto's Exploding Penis" playing down the Frog & Sprocket on a Monday night in January. 2. The 'mainstream' indie fan. Listens to Mark Radcliffe. Thinks variety means having Carter USM, Ben Folds Five, Divine Comedy, Space, Radiohead and Abba in the same CD collection (all examples from my own as it happens). Doesn't care about credibility. Now obviously it's not for me to say which is right, everyone's welcome to their own taste. But every person on this list has one thing in common, a love of B&S, so let's not turn this into a slanging match between 'real music fans' and the rest, OK? Stuart G Oh, and Duke, I would rather listen to ANY guitar band than the Spice Girls... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bwret at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 18:16:30 1997 From: bwret at xxx.com (Alex Ward) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: The mailing list formerly known as being about B&S In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Stuart Gardiner wrote: > We seem to be divided into two categories here (or three if you count > the people who just don't give a toss and are probably getting bored of > all this!); > I'd have to fall into the third catagory. Not only does this thread exclude subscribers from outside the UK (of which there are a few, I assure you), but it's also tangential at best. Talk about B&S is ideal. Talk about other bands or music is ok. Talk about the dj's who play whatever kind of music is, perhaps, a bit too far off the mark, IMO. -take care alex ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Skreddy56 at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 18:25:50 1997 From: Skreddy56 at xxx.com (Skreddy56 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Cheesy PBS Taping Message-ID: <970910194403_515618352@emout20.mail.aol.com> I just wanted to take this opportunity to say that I am not a real fan. --Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From emason at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 19:37:17 1997 From: emason at xxx.com (Eric Mason) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:37:17 -0500 Subject: Sinister: the fall and b&s Message-ID: ok - i realize that the belle and sebastian list is not an appropriate forum for a discussion of mark e. smith...and apologies beforehand to individuals who really don't give a shit...but i can't continue my usual lurking without answering some of the anti-fall comments this morning....(or afternoon for you uk listers)... hey - i still listen to the fall - and admire peel for still playing them - it's just a testament to his genius that he still sees their continued brilliance in the face of popular opinion...i'm not trying to argue that they're better or even as good as they were in their peak period....but, in the face of most of what gets played on the radio - they still tower above the vast majority.... let's not escalate this into some type of fallvsbelle discussion please...for the sake of a majority of belle fans. no matter how much they aurally differ - they share an intelligence and importance that few groups can ever hope to achieve. you can take my comments with a grain of salt however...shit...i actually don't mind the new edwyn collins album.. now THERE's someone who writes better stuff then he did pre 1983...(joke). also it features a guest vocal chore by the aforementioned fall main man..... favorite belle moment this weekend in NYC: the stuart/stevie piss-take on the Velvets live 1969: Stuart: should we do two sets or just one long one?etc.... they've got pop pedigree of the best kind oozing out of every syllable, every note.... back to lurking...and i'll just rant privately and talk to myself as usual instead of getting involved in future topics... eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From emason at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 18:06:16 1997 From: emason at xxx.com (Eric Mason) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:06:16 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199709111706.NAA20664@pebbles.tor.aw.sgi.com> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From clive at xxx.uk Thu Sep 11 18:41:18 1997 From: clive at xxx.uk (ten seconds to midnight) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:41:18 GMT Subject: Sinister: Evening Session!!!! In-Reply-To: <199709110846.JAA13850@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> References: <199709110846.JAA13850@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <34182928.703104@sdps.demon.co.uk> On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:46:56 +0100 (BST), Nathan wrote: Hello. >Sorry, but I can't give a copy of the songs taped off the E. Session to >anyone else. I've already got to send out loads, and I'm completely >broke, and owe #40 to the uni library(stamps and tapes aren't cheap). I can try and RealAudio encode them and put them up onto the web, perhaps, this weekend. Quality might not be great but it's better than nothing. b'bye! clv. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From emason at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 19:54:23 1997 From: emason at xxx.com (Eric Mason) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:54:23 -0500 Subject: Sinister: apologies for that "blank" mail Message-ID: hey - don't know what happened there - i honestly only sent the one message...the server hung up or something so i pressed send a number of times....i wasn't trying to make any dramatic point by sending numerous blank messages... servers me right i guess... eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Sep 11 20:06:52 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:06:52 +0200 Subject: Sinister: The mailing list formerly known as being about B&S References: Message-ID: <3418414C.985E1190@colon.net.> Those outside the UK who want to listen to a sad old git playing techno rubbish should get hold of a short wave radio, stick your ariel out of the kitchen window and tune into the BBC World Service at 0830 GMT on Fridays. I do it every week. When I remember, that is. Maybe it is going a bit too far to talk to talk about DJs, but as a UK citizen living abroad I was genuinely curious as to whether or not the aforementioned sad old git had played B&S or not. Strange but true. Those nonplussed by the conversation can easily delete the messages without reading them, provided they have a clear subject line. For the record, it's the first time I've felt slightly...erm..."annoyed" by any postings to this list. I really am quite fond of John Peel and I enjoy his tangential talk about his family and so on. And I also think he genuinely likes the music he plays, techno rubbish or not. So hip hip hooray for John Peel. With subscribers from all over the world ( France, Spain, USA, Brazil, anymore?) some messages are bound to exclude some readers. I don't think this should be a problem if we all just bear in mind that different people have different needs and so on and so on into the philosophical night... There, that was a rare outbreak of maturity from me. Must go and have a lie down. All the best, Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rhutt at xxx.net Thu Sep 11 20:31:31 1997 From: rhutt at xxx.net (Richard) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:31:31 -0700 Subject: Sinister: cheese. References: <199709111524.QAA00989@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <34184713.6931@earthlink.net> I know the cheesiness debate has run it's course, but I can't let it lie without adding my halfpennyworth. This man (Chris Douridas) is the utter bane of Los Angeles radio, and his genuine love of B&S does not in anyway impede his outright crappiness. My hatred is born of having to listen to him on office radio every morning. None of his syrupy sincerity gives him the right to go anywhere near a microphone. Unlike John Peel. I don't know what he's like nowadays, and it's been a long time since I actually actively listened - but I was always glad he was there. Like the National Gallery. I may not visit, but I don't want it to go away. He played me the GoBetweens. And Felt. I owe him. You truly don't know how lucky you are in the UK, at least as far as radio goes. And TV for that matter. The only thing you're missing is 103.9 soul oldies. So I know it's too early to expect an answer, but does anyone expect anything to come of the West Coast tour hinted at earlier? Can I take the hint to mean that they like it over here and might actualy return? By the way, Chris' great insight into B&S was "they sound like Donovan." Richard PS One of Moose used to work in Record and Tape Exchange. I wonder if he's back there? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Sep 11 18:41:41 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:41:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The mailing list formerly known as being about B&S References: Message-ID: <34182D55.96A5A943@mail.zynet.co.uk> > Oh, and Duke, I would rather listen to ANY > guitar band than the Spice > Girls... which means, presumably that you care a whole lot about your credibility, because admiting to liking the Spice Girls in the sad indie-dom means you 'are not indie' (cue hilarious sneer...) ;-) the duke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From chris_wirth at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 21:37:47 1997 From: chris_wirth at xxx.com (Chris Wirth) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:37:47 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about djs Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From clive at xxx.uk Thu Sep 11 18:41:19 1997 From: clive at xxx.uk (ten seconds to midnight) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:41:19 GMT Subject: Sinister: DJ Debate (not really about b&s, sorry!) In-Reply-To: <199709111553.QAA31894@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> References: <199709111553.QAA31894@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Message-ID: <34192a90.1062790@sdps.demon.co.uk> On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:02:12 +0000, John wrote: >I'm sorry but I don't care how diverse a DJ is. I think it is far more >important what music they play. I used to fall asleep to the Radcliffe >show. He played lots of beautiful music which I really liked. Belle & >Sebby, The Sundays, Beth Orton. Yeah. The Radcliffe evening show was really rather good. Much better than Mary Anne Hobbes. Bring him back! >John Peel seems to play head hurting techno everytime I happen to listen. That's the thing. I'd listen to John Peel more if he didn't occasionly play records that sound like your speakers are dieing violently. So. Seymour Stein on the ES tonight, then? have fun, Clive. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From fall at xxx.net Thu Sep 11 22:17:27 1997 From: fall at xxx.net (fall at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:17:27 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about John Peel Message-ID: <199709112117.XAA01508@colon.colon.net> Hey There !! Leave me outta ya crappy debates... Go back to feeling sinister and rabbiting on about bikes and cats... And when did half of you shysters start swooning to the B&S..[who I've got naught against]..try post Dog On Wheels.. Peel is and will ever be a champion...sadsacks like some of you wouldn't know if a musical note bit you on the arse I never felt better in my life.. Cha Cha MES ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From fall at xxx.net Thu Sep 11 22:23:54 1997 From: fall at xxx.net (fall at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:23:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about John Peel Message-ID: <199709112123.XAA09741@rzmail.uni-trier.de> Hey There !! Leave me outta ya crappy debates... Go back to feeling sinister and rabbiting on about bikes and cats... And when did half of you shysters start swooning to the B&S..[who I've got naught against]..try post Dog On Wheels.. Peel is and will ever be a champion...sadsacks like some of you wouldn't know if a musical note bit you on the arse I never felt better in my life.. Cha Cha MES ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mlang at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 23:42:25 1997 From: mlang at xxx.com (Matrix) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:42:25 -0500 Subject: Sinister: The State That I Am In Message-ID: How do you explain that his brother coming out "takes the heat" off of the narrator in this song? Does that mean he is closeted? Just curious what people think... matrix ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 23:12:05 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:12:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: the state that I am in. + stuff Message-ID: <01BCBF08.34465780@host5-99-49-68.btinternet.com> I thought it meant everyone was giving him grief until his brother came out and became a focus of attention and stuff, but no doubt someone will post some thing about hidden meanings and reading stuff into the fact that he thought of himself first etc. Why can't it be like the good old days when everyone talked about stuff that was really thinly connected to B&S? Like cats and buses? By the way when do the results of voting for your favourite B&S song thing on that other B&S website come out? What did everyone vote for? Did Fox in the snow get any votes? P.S. I'm not saying that fox in the snow is shit or anything, It's just that you have to be in the right mood. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Thu Sep 11 23:24:44 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:24:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk...again. Message-ID: <01BCBF09.ED288D80@host5-99-49-68.btinternet.com> Did anyone see this months record collector? This guy was selling Tigermilk for £18, the idiot. I wrote to him and told him I'd pay more, but he just wrote back and said he already sold it for 18 pounds. Eighteen bastard pounds! The last one sold for 200 didn't it? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Thu Sep 11 23:15:27 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:15:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The state we're in (already) Message-ID: <34186D7F.8B8E6A0F@virgin.net> Paul's on holiday. He's the chief list admin guy. But while he's not here I get the dreaded responsibility, and I hate to ruin a party but... ... Princess Di jokes are hardly suitable and very distasteful. Please join an appropriate newsgroup for this sort of thing, and don't post them to the list, I'll regard it as spamming and may remove you. ... as much as the DJ debate is sometimes intriguing and entertaining, there have been a few very spiteful one-liners. This is flaming, and again this has severe punishments. Please try and remember that plain text (as e-mail is) doesn't carry irony and sarcasm very well. It's better to be polite than attempt wit with a double meaning. ... as for sleeper and other side debates, well when we created this list we laughingly put in a feature that censors words. Our test was on the band name that Mark Knopfler founded (can't write it as the program would kill this message), any message containing such words never reach the list. Maybe it should be set to stop messages with poor bands in them, could be more useful doncha think? and no, none of this is trying to restrict you too much. I just like to remember the original intention, that this list is named after a gorgeous album and for a brilliant band and should try to reflect both. I still believe that's possible, we've read letters from some of you that have stopped my heart and others that make me swoon, and we pass these onto Stuart Murdoch knowing he feels the same. So why don't we ever see this on the list? It can't be that you're not passionate enough or don't feel enough, after all, we all love Belle and Sebastian. Sorry for the moan, but when I lose interest in the majority of messages that get posted to the list, and when I receive a few complaints on the same line, well then I know we're starting down the wrong path. David Kitchen (dreading the response but hoping this inspires someone to write something pretty while you can) -- ***************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ***************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 03:09:30 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (paul) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 02:09:30 +0000 Subject: Sinister: The mailing list formerly known as being about B&S Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Sept 1997, Alex Ward wrote: >I'd have to fall into the third catagory. Not only does this thread >exclude >subscribers from outside the UK (of which there are a few, I >assure you), but >it's also tangential at best. Talk about B&S is ideal. >Talk about other bands >or music is ok. Talk about the dj's who play >whatever kind of music is, >perhaps, a bit too far off the mark, IMO. Frankly I've found it a blessing to read the posts from our NYC friends still euphoric over witnessing B&S in the flesh - compared to the bollox debate over which radio DJ is shit or not. Its the music that counts. I don't mind Peely playing shit techno,'cause I know he'll get round to playing something good or even fantastic at some point in the show, its like panning for gold. The same would go for Radcliffe and Lard if I could be bothered listening to sanitised mainstream breakfast radio. As for MES: >And when did half of you shysters start swooning to the B&S..[who I've got >>naught against]..try post Dog On Wheels.. >Peel is and will ever be a champion...sadsacks like some of you wouldn't >know >if a musical note bit you on the arse post Dog On Wheels my arse. Show your age man! This "I was intoŠ(insert band name here) before you / since their first single" attitude sucks a big one. Immature indie kids normally come out with statements as wise as yours, since they usually believe most fans of a band must be recent bandwagon jumpers. The fact that we're here 'debating' at all indicates we can tell exactly which note is biting us on the arse. B&S are probably the best band I've heard in the last two years. Their songs of awkwardness, emotions and the ordinary sharply contrast with most of the one-dimensional popstar-wannabes which choke up the 'Indie'(and increasingly mainstream) chart. Phew! sorry, I got carried away there. What a way to introduce myself. "and rememberŠ an egg is good for you!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From clive at xxx.uk Thu Sep 11 19:38:28 1997 From: clive at xxx.uk (ten seconds to midnight) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:38:28 GMT Subject: Sinister: star wars Message-ID: <341c3a53.5098939@sdps.demon.co.uk> Hi, Seems B&S are fans of Star Wars - cos in 'Le Pastie...' Stuart sings something about 'draw your light sabre.' Or possibly not. And another cover version I'd quite like to hear them do would be 'Teenage Kicks.' Aren't Cast shit? have fun, clv. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From eyh96 at xxx.edu Fri Sep 12 03:03:23 1997 From: eyh96 at xxx.edu (remaniac) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: cheezy PBS intro In-Reply-To: <970910113756_-1400320231@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 MPRVixen at aol.com wrote: > If he was a true fan, he would have come up with something more coherent than > "their songs are like old friends you haven't met yet." I was sitting near Chris--did anyone else notice him turning away and cracking up during the host's intro?! --emily ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From eyh96 at xxx.edu Fri Sep 12 03:05:11 1997 From: eyh96 at xxx.edu (remaniac) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Last night's show.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Jennifer R Gregerson wrote: > the list, I've been lurking a bit. The venue, the temple, was beautiful if > a little dilapidated and everything was sublime. I recorded it, an okay > copy, but it's tiding me over until I get money for more of their music. are you going to make this available for sale or trade? does anyone have bootlegs, of the ny shows in particular, but of anything? --emily ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From JSERAF at xxx.com Fri Sep 12 06:42:21 1997 From: JSERAF at xxx.com (JSERAF at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: The mailing list formerly known as being about B&S Message-ID: <970911155812_20145191@emout04.mail.aol.com> I guess I would, if given only these three options, would fall into the one that is getting bored with all these postings. But I must to say that I just needed to hear Belle & Sebastian to get me back into listening to music again (pop or otherwise). It's been a long time (maybe since the Smiths split up or the opening of the Matador label in the states). It's about time I heard something by a band that atually seems to think about its songs. So they'll probably never play Chicago (my hometown), but I'm willing to live with that if they keep putting out the goods. But since B&S's label just shuttered their doors, that alone remains to be seen ... alas. -john In a message dated 9/11/97 12:05:02 PM, SKG at datcon.co.uk wrote: >We seem to be divided into two categories here (or three if you count >the people who just don't give a toss and are probably getting bored of >all this!); > >1. The 'hard-core' indie fan. Listens to John Peel. Thinks variety means >hearing as many different bands as possible, preferably ones no-one has >heard of. Thinks credibility is gained by having seen "Tonto's Exploding >Penis" playing down the Frog & Sprocket on a Monday night in January. > >2. The 'mainstream' indie fan. Listens to Mark Radcliffe. Thinks variety >means having Carter USM, Ben Folds Five, Divine Comedy, Space, Radiohead >and Abba in the same CD collection (all examples from my own as it >happens). Doesn't care about credibility. > >Now obviously it's not for me to say which is right, everyone's welcome >to their own taste. But every person on this list has one thing in >common, a love of B&S, so let's not turn this into a slanging match >between 'real music fans' and the rest, OK? > >Stuart G > >Oh, and Duke, I would rather listen to ANY guitar band than the Spice >Girls... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 08:19:12 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (paul) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:19:12 +0000 Subject: Sinister: MES Message-ID: on 11th Sept MES wrote: >And when did half of you shysters start swooning to the B&S..[who I've got >>naught against]..try post Dog On Wheels.. >Peel is and will ever be a champion...sadsacks like some of you wouldn't >know >if a musical note bit you on the arse I saw B&S at The Assembly Rooms in Edinburgh back in April (or May - I Forget) and regard the experience as probably the best gig I've attended since around 1991. As with the NYC reviews they had frequent instrument changes, a great rapport with the audience, they muffed up the intro to at least one song (but remembered the words!) and had a 5 minute break(?) somewhere in the middle. You felt they actually cared - unlike most of our indie heroes - and above all the music was brilliant. As a direct contrast I'd say that the worst gig i've ever been at was when The Fall played on Calton Hill(Edinburgh) about three years ago, where there was a shit atmosphere, MES and friends played about 3 lacklustre songs and then stormed off in a huff, show over. What a shit night. What a ripoff. Can I have my 10 quid back please!. That was probably the last time IO bought a Fall record ('15 ways' as a matter of fact). I could'nt care less about the band anymore. B&S care. Paul. "and rememberŠ an egg is good for you!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bbptc at xxx.com Fri Sep 12 23:05:49 1997 From: bbptc at xxx.com (Mike Landucci) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:05:49 -0700 Subject: Sinister: sinister cd/host's intro/lazy line/more Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970912150549.007284ec@popd.ix.netcom.com> ok, since im having to deal with sifting through all the mail from this list i might as well post about some b+s stuff. sinister just never gets old. i have a dub for my car with tigermilk on one side and sinister on the next and let me tell you it is the very best way to spend a drive to vegas and back-we listened to that tape nonstop for 300 miles. each way. sinister is obviously the best album of 97 and i seriously think it might be the best of the 90's period. far from being a chris douridas morning becomes eclectic fan, i think the intro about b+s songs being old friends you havent met is passable. after the first couple listens i was on the brink of tears thinking they were better than the smiths, better than magnetic fields, better than the cannanes, better than anything id ever heard and sure to live in my heart for the rest of my life the way a small few other bands have. so maybe that's what he meant-their songs' instant "classic" appeal. on that note ill say i heard for the first time lazy line painter jane or whatever it's called today on the radio and was quite underwhelmed. it went on too long, the female vocals are iffy at best-as were the male's on this take, and the basic rock n' roll lick of the thing was a put off. well im exageratting-can you tell i have a penchant for that-but truly i was a bit sad cause it didnt sound very magical. lastly, on "The Boy Done Wrong Again" there is a part, a bridge i guess, where the violins come in after he sings "i will be happy now" for the first time. anyways, the chords and the sound of that moment have always reminded from the first time i heard it, to the wonderful song Aurora by the Cat's Miaow. Play 'em back to back and see if you see what i mean. Play em back to back anyways cause it's a real treat. cheers, mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Fri Sep 12 08:57:03 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:57:03 +0200 Subject: Sinister: More Barcelona info Message-ID: <3418F5CF.BF6E5E0D@colon.net.> I don't know if this is of interest, but I'll plough on regardless; Belle and Sebastian just got their first(?) mention on Spanish radio. They are on the same stage as Superelvis(?!) and The Magnetic Fields. Fans of Primal Scream will then have to hurtle off to the "techno rubbish" converted railway station, where they can dance the night away until six in the morning. Today's the day when I find out if we've won two nights in a swanky hotel with Bobby Gillespie. Wish me luck. Needless to say I'd sooner win two nights in a nice quiet bed and breakfast with Belle and Sebastian. Sorry for my occasional off-topic ramblings. I do try to control myself, honestly...I just get a bit carried away at times. I'm sure the other "guilty parties" have the same problem. It's not intentional, just a bit thoughtless. As for cover versions, I'd like to hear our heroes performing the entire soundtrack of "Oliver!" But I'll wait sitting down. If I don't have cause for any more lunatic ramblings today, I wish you all a nice weekend. Half an hour until you know what programme on the world service... Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From S.D.Maclean at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 09:34:01 1997 From: S.D.Maclean at xxx.uk (Stuart Maclean) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 09:34:01 BST Subject: [SKG@datcon.co.uk: Sinister: The mailing list formerly known as being about B&S] Message-ID: <9128.9709120834@dsse.ecs.soton.ac.uk> >1. The 'hard-core' indie fan. Listens to John Peel. Thinks variety means hearing as many different bands as possible, preferably ones no-one has heard of. Thinks credibility is gained by having seen "Tonto's Exploding Penis" playing down the Frog & Sprocket on a Monday night in January. I was there, great gig. Didn't see you there though! And of course no real indie fan owns a CD player, yuk! Oh, and Peel is the messiah, who else plays records from the 50s, 40s even, next to techno, Ivor Cutler, blah blah, all at range of attractive speeds. Back to the BS post, I caught Slow Graffiti and Seymour Stein this week on Lamacq, which two did I miss?? Cheers Stu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 10:12:54 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:12:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about John Peel Message-ID: >Hey There !! > > >MES > Getting insulted by proper popstars, that's a first. A few points (in reverse order of importance); IMHO, the best thing to come out of the Fall was Lard (Mark Radcliffe's sidekick, for the non-UK readers). All taste, be it music, clothes or DJs, is subjective - I'm sure lots of people don't like Peel or Radcliffe. That doesn't make them any less of a person (or even less of a music fan). Having opinions is good, it's what separates man from beast, but what happened to music fans' famous "live and let live" attitude? The reason a lot of indie fans (me included!) don't like the Spice Girls isn't just because they're not credible, whatever that means, it's just because we don't like their music. Who cares what their image is? I'd have thought that eulogising B&S on this list was pretty pointless, because we all already know how good they are - that's why we're on the list in the first place. I believed that people would be more interested in opinions / (light-hearted!) debate on (admittedly tangentially) related issues than in e-mails saying "I like Belle And Sebastian. How about you?". Evidently I was wrong. Anyone who complains that we're not "true B&S fans" because of a (inaccurate in most cases) view that we only got into them after Dog On Wheels is precisely the kind of indie snob that I've been railing about the last couple of days. If someone likes them now, who cares what they used to like? (I'm writing this as someone whose taste in the distant past included buying the first Kylie Minogue album, something for which I've long since repented and made amends!) Finally (cue wave of relief), if anyone wants to send me a tape I'll copy the B&S session tracks I recorded off the Evening Session this week for them. Just e-mail me and I'll give you an address (better not take too long over it though, I'll be off e-mail for ten days from next Friday (cue second wave of relief), and my address will be changing four times during that time, so it'd be easier to get tapes to me before then). Stuart G > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 09:51:16 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:51:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Brian Hurst, he saw them first Message-ID: <01BCBF61.6A1BC8F0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> It's nice to know that most people are completely gracious about the music, and there's only a few sad cunts who like the kind of "They sold out when they played Stones Bar in Edinburgh" attitude. I would have thought (especially with a band like B+S) that there may be a severe saddo element whose best mate's mate once stole a Pastels badge off of Alan McGee etc. Cheers, Keith. [ just currently waiting for the taxes to rise 3% ] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 09:47:34 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:47:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: star wars Message-ID: <01BCBF60.E63D8B90@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Hi, Seems B&S are fans of Star Wars - cos in 'Le Pastie...' Stuart sings something about 'draw your light sabre.' Or possibly not. [Keith Watson] Well last Christmas, Chris was wearing a Star Wars T-Shirt at a New Year party I was at in Edinburgh. And another cover version I'd quite like to hear them do would be 'Teenage Kicks.' Aren't Cast shit? [Keith Watson] Oh Aye... have fun, clv. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From wow at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 11:53:14 1997 From: wow at xxx.uk (totv) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 10:53:14 -0000 Subject: Sinister: B & S compilation tape Message-ID: <874057640.108838.0@totv.demon.co.uk> Hello, I have just rushed making a B & S compilation tape for someones birthday today and put the tracks in the following order. What do people think of the choices and order? Have I missed anything great? Seeing Other People String Bean Jean Mayfly Photo Jenny My Wandering Days Are Over The State I Am In If Youre Feeling Sinister Lazy Line Painter Jane Stars of Track and Field Expectations Dog On Wheels You Made Me Forget My Dreams She's Losing It Judy and the Dream of Horses Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying ROB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 11:49:58 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:49:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Feeling sinister about John Peel Message-ID: <01BCBF71.FF319360@rainbow.qss.co.uk> -----Original Message----- From: fall at xxx.net] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 10:17 PM To: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Re: Sinister: Feeling sinister about John Peel Hey There !! Leave me outta ya crappy debates... [Keith Watson] Fine by me Go back to feeling sinister and rabbiting on about bikes and cats... [Keith Watson] No - is that OK? And when did half of you shysters start swooning to the B&S..[who I've got naught against]..try post Dog On Wheels.. [Keith Watson] This sort of stuff doesn't warrant an answer Peel is and will ever be a champion...sadsacks like some of you wouldn't know if a musical note bit you on the arse [Keith Watson] Music has never - and I'll bet it never will "bite me on the arse". Incidentally - if he "always will be a champion", could you tell us what else will happen in the future please, I'm intrigued. I never felt better in my life.. Cha Cha MES ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Fri Sep 12 12:46:12 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:46:12 +0200 Subject: Sinister: The state we're in (already) References: <34186D7F.8B8E6A0F@virgin.net> Message-ID: <34192B83.3D07EE23@colon.net.> Aha! So that's what happened to my suggestion for a cover version of "Money For Nothing And Your Chicks For Free" by the band that Mark Knopfler founded. For people willing to indulge in e-mail shorthand, there is a nice introduction to be found at http://www.airmail.net/netque101.html IDLIVMBWCWD? which translates as: I don't like it very much but what can we do? WFM. And I didn't win two nights in a swanky hotel with Bobby Gillespie. If anybody wants to know more about the line up for this festival, let me know. It's all in today's paper in excruciating detail. No photo of B&S, but a rather fetching one of the Scream boys draping themselves sexily over a Ford Cortina. Seeing as I didn't win I don't think I can afford to go. Unless I sell my Tigermilk... B4N Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mkorchia at xxx.fr Fri Sep 12 13:28:44 1997 From: mkorchia at xxx.fr (Michaël Korchia) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:28:44 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Here am I/ Felt References: <874057640.108838.0@totv.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <3419357C.664D@club-internet.fr> Hi all... A very short introduction: I just think that B&S are the best band since Felt (which was the best band since the Velvet Underground). I've recently dubbed lots of Felt live recordings 50 or 55 songs, from 1983 to 1988 or so. I'd like to swap and... Of course, I need all these B&S rarities (radio sessions, live recording, demoes). So... Cheers, ps: i'm in 2 bands too... see below. I'll let you know as soon as anything is out -- Michael Korchia mkorchia at club-internet.fr Watoo Watoo Homepage : http://www.mygale.org/05/watoo/ Mumbly Homepage : http://www.mygale.org/00/aurore/emumbly.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 13:58:32 1997 From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:58:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian: a response Message-ID: <4193E3C0.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> Why is it that some Belle and Sebastian songs bring tears to my eyes? They remind me of the past and of growing up in Scotland in the seventies. They speak to me of always being an outsider, of never having the right clothes to wear - "you can't afford a blazer, girl, you're always wearing clogs" is close to the bone. Of not being cool and not being aloof enough. Of not being cynical enough to transcend the crushing experience of unrequited love. The first B&S song I ever heard was The State I'm In - still, I think, the most perfect of all. I sat down on the floor and listened to this soaring, sweet voice and knew that everything would be all right. As a footnote: I'm finding the increased level of vitriol and defensiveness on this mailing list somewhat depressing. I like knowing what people are interested in and what their memories and feelings are - spurred by B&S and inspired by them, which is why we're all here. C ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 14:29:53 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:29:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian: a response Message-ID: <01BCBF88.56B4ACB0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Why is it that some Belle and Sebastian songs bring tears to my eyes? They remind me of the past and of growing up in Scotland in the seventies. They speak to me of always being an outsider, of never having the right clothes to wear - "you can't afford a blazer, girl, you're always wearing clogs" is close to the bone. Of not being cool and not being aloof enough. Of not being cynical enough to transcend the crushing experience of unrequited love. The first B&S song I ever heard was The State I'm In - still, I think, the most perfect of all. I sat down on the floor and listened to this soaring, sweet voice and knew that everything would be all right. As a footnote: I'm finding the increased level of vitriol and defensiveness on this mailing list somewhat depressing. I like knowing what people are interested in and what their memories and feelings are - spurred by B&S and inspired by them, which is why we're all here. C [Keith Watson] You're right here of course - I mean, I think people need to discuss other things since there just simply aren't enough things to talk about on a regular basis regarding Belle and Sebastian - it'd be a different story if they released a record every week. Still It's interesting what you say, "The state that I am in" was also the first song I heard by them about 14 months ago or so, my friend basically put Tigermilk on and said "have a listen to this" to which I thought yeah yeah kind of thing, but by the end of the song I was like on my knees like I'd scored a goal in the world cup - bloody amazing. I grew up in Scotland in the 70's, however it's hard to attach Belle and Sebastian to that although I acknowledge it does make you feel dead young again. I really attach it to Gregory's girl growing up as this was where I lived at that time, and went to the school etc. so I''ve got a filmed record of where I lived when I was a kid. I do feel that Belle and Sebastian's success is purely a matter of time, it is stifled by their unwillingness to play the game (do the press etc.) which is fine, but even then, when a band's this good, it's pretty unlikely that they'll not break through no matter what - On the current curve of chart success it's looking like A Century of Fakers could be top 20 stuff - I really hope so, as there'll be plenty people around the world who'll not yet have heard of them (not "real" fans I suppose ?!), who'll get the chance and that, to me can only be a good thing. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Fri Sep 12 16:24:35 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:24:35 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Just a boy who plays guitar Message-ID: <199709121415.PAA08870@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> I don't know about anyone else, but I'd love to hear (and see) Belle & Sebastian play with a full orchestra, or even a strings section like Kristen Hersh's Strings EP. >I saw B&S at The Assembly Rooms in Edinburgh back in April (or May - I >Forget) and regard the experience as probably the best gig I've attended I was there too, any it was fantastic. Although the concert at the Mitchell Library, Glasgow, at the end of 96, was even better. But anyways, this reminded me to ask something about the Assembly Rooms gig. I saw a guy there with a b&s t-shirt on. It was red with 'Just a boy who plays guitar - Belle and Sebastian' in white on it. Is this person on the mail list? If so, where did you get the t-shirt? Anybody else got one? Also, did anyone buy an extra poster? I didn�t like the design at first, but soon regretted not buying one. One last thought. Is anyone going to The Sundays concert in the assembly rooms in November. (Tickets on sale Monday). Get in touch. Cheers John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 15:48:22 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:48:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Just a boy who plays guitar Message-ID: <01BCBF93.4D5D2920@rainbow.qss.co.uk> >I saw B&S at The Assembly Rooms in Edinburgh back in April (or May - I >Forget) and regard the experience as probably the best gig I've attended I was there too, any it was fantastic. Although the concert at the Mitchell Library, Glasgow, at the end of 96, was even better. [Keith Watson] I too was at both of these, but I tend to like the Assembly rooms one better - there was a hell of a buzz at the Mitchell library but the set was somewhat limited (All of If you're feeling sinister, A Century of Fakers and I don't love anyone - I'll scan the programme when we get a scanner in the office next week and post it to the list as a JPEG, in fact, I'll do this with all the various paraphenalia I've collected if people are interested). The Assembly rooms on the other hand had loads of my favourite songs on, and was a more varied set I thought, nonetheless, both I rate as two of the best concerts I've ever seen, I'd love to get a tape off of anyone who taped either, but as yet I've not met anyone. I know Andy Dean was speaking to someone that night who taped it, but he declined a copy - and later regretted it. But anyways, this reminded me to ask something about the Assembly Rooms gig. I saw a guy there with a b&s t-shirt on. It was red with 'Just a boy who plays guitar - Belle and Sebastian' in white on it. Is this person on the mail list? If so, where did you get the t-shirt? Anybody else got one? Also, did anyone buy an extra poster? I didn't like the design at first, but soon regretted not buying one. [Keith Watson] I bought a poster - but you can't have it I'm afraid! I did also see the guy in the T-Shirt and registered it as odd too - I guess it could have been made himself. One last thought. Is anyone going to The Sundays concert in the assembly rooms in November. (Tickets on sale Monday). Get in touch. Cheers John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Fri Sep 12 17:11:47 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:11:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:star wars and stuff Message-ID: <01BCBF9F.B4906B00@host5-99-62-19.btinternet.com> Does anyone actually have the lyrics to Le pastie? I wouldn't mind them. God yeah Cast are shit. I was once dragged to a concert where Cast were playing and I just stood there with my arms folded whilst everyone around me was jumping up and down and singing. I was pretty near the front, and that Johnny something who sings kept staring at me like I was weird, that told him, the curly-haired scouse git; it's only a matter of time before the general public realise all his songs sound the same, his days are numbered. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From chris_wirth at xxx.com Fri Sep 12 18:03:31 1997 From: chris_wirth at xxx.com (Chris Wirth) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:03:31 -0700 Subject: Sinister: A Short Story about a Small Man and a Large Song Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From gram at xxx.com Fri Sep 12 18:14:58 1997 From: gram at xxx.com (gram) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:14:58 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Lazy Line Painter Jane Message-ID: <86256510.005FF788.00@internet-503.interliant.com> apologies to people on the indie list, I sent this there first by accident. In response to Mike's post about being nonplussed about it the first time he heard it. Did anyone else feel this way? I wasn't sure what to think, it made me sad at first. especially when she started singing, I was like WHAT? but I listened to it a few more times and it has truly grown on me. Now I love it, its sort of rockingly fragile, if that is possible. I like her voice, it is kind of obnoxious, but loud and free, it maybe sounds like a 60's soul singer or something. A friend of mine said it reminds her of olivia newton-john, but I don't know about that... g r a m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Fri Sep 12 18:11:50 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:11:50 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Century of Fakers Message-ID: <01BCBF7D.6F8F22C0@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> >I do feel that Belle and Sebastian's success is purely a matter of = >time, it is stifled by their unwillingness to play the game (do the = >press etc.) which is fine, but even then, when a band's this good, it's = >pretty unlikely that they'll not break through no matter what - On the = >current curve of chart success it's looking like A Century of Fakers = >could be top 20 stuff - I really hope so, as there'll be plenty people = >around the world who'll not yet have heard of them (not "real" fans I = >suppose ?!), who'll get the chance and that, to me can only be a good = >thing Yup. Century of Fakers is ACE. True crossover material. But that leads me to another question: What do people think of them imminently becoming mainstream? This question has brought infinite internal conflict to myself...On one hand I love them and wish them every possible success. On the other hand I'm infinitely jealous (somehow) of other people eventually hearing them and for their entrance into mainstream culture. Somehow, deep inside of me, I hope that they end up as Felt or the Pastels: a band with true diehard fans who truly like them. Musicians and artists who cite them as inspiration in the future. I hate the idea of some slick DJ talking over the beginning of their songs. Worse I hate the idea of Kasey Kasem putting them in his top 40 show: "And here's a little story about the band coming up. It turns out that the bassist Stuart David has a hobby. He enjoys writing. So he made a booklet and called it 'Ink Poloroids' because the stories are about his life in the band. Have you guessed yet? That's Right Belle and Sebatian coming in three positions higher at number eighteen with their hit, 'Lonliness of a Middle Distance Runner'" Matt PS Why do the administrators not like Dyre Straets...HA Super FakeOUT ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 19:08:31 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:08:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The State That I Am In References: Message-ID: <3419851F.63AAD944@mail.zynet.co.uk> Matrix wrote: > How do you explain that his brother coming out > "takes the heat" off of the > narrator in this song? Does that mean he is > closeted? Just curious what > people think... there's always the 'problem' that you read songs as autobiographical. Same goes for stories, but maybe songs especially. it's important to realise that a (song)writer might be employing techniques such as writing from the point of view of another (fictional) character, and the 'i' is not always the character of the singer/writer. Malcolm Eden was always doing this with McCarthy lyrics, to great effect, although he too confused people (intentionally) because of this. i think Stuart has commented on this before, that 'State' is not autobiographical, and that one of the most 'truthful' songs is 'Seeing Other People'. i know that 'you made me forget my dreams' is to a large extent autobiography, or at least is about 'real' people, as obviously is 'String Bean Jean'. But you should never automatically assume that the 'i' is who you think it is... the duke, who constantly has to defend himself from criticism from friends who think they are characters in his stories.... or even strangers who think they are characters in his stories, which is even more bizarre :-) Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 19:12:18 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:12:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: evening session References: <9128.9709120834@dsse.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Message-ID: <34198602.46F1DFE2@mail.zynet.co.uk> > I caught Slow Graffiti and Seymour Stein this > week on Lamacq, which two did I miss?? Cheers other two were a new version of Lazy Line Painter Jane and Sleep The Clock Around. all were very fine indeed, naturally. the duke. PS new Sea and Cake record is astonishingly good. Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Fri Sep 12 19:31:05 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:31:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Lazy Line Painter Jane References: <86256510.005F9D31.00@internet-503.interliant.com> Message-ID: <34198A69.6FC3D32E@mail.zynet.co.uk> > I like her voice, it is kind of obnoxious, but > loud and free, it maybe > sounds like a 60's soul singer or something. > A friend of mine said it reminds her of olivia > newton-john, but I don't > know about that... well i said she sounded like Emmylou Harris to Stuart's Gram Parsons, and i'm sticking with that one... the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Fri Sep 12 19:27:06 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:27:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:century of fakers Message-ID: <01BCBFBE.6AEC6520@host5-99-60-176.btinternet.com> >What do people think of them imminently becoming mainstream? This >question has brought infinite internal conflict to myself I know what you mean Matt, I don't think I could handle B&S becoming mainstream. What would be worse was if Chr*s Ev*ns has them on his show when the next EP is released. We all know he would then claim to have discovered them and popularised the band when we all know any success would be down to the exceptional songs and not some arrogant jumped-up failed DJ whose TV show has almost played as many crap songs as Atlantic 252. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Gregg_Weiss at xxx.com Fri Sep 12 20:59:00 1997 From: Gregg_Weiss at xxx.com (Gregg Weiss) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:59 -0600 Subject: Sinister: Geneva/B&S Message-ID: <199709122109.WAA28509@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> I saw Geneva play in Baltimore last night...They were truly lovely, I must say....Anyway, I chatted with Andrew Montgomery, the singer with the angelic voice, for a while.... The topic of Belle & Sebby came up in our conversation, and he proclaimed his adoration for Tigermilk, and utmost respectfor the work of B&S. He also mentioned that his favourite song is "The State I'm In"... Another B&S note from the show: Catherine Wheel (the headline act) had "...Sinister" playing in the dressing room... I'm wondering if anyone in the US has a cassette of a live B&S gig (or a video for that matter!).... Proudly sporting me new pair of terry underwear, Gregg ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From escossia at xxx.br Fri Sep 12 22:16:59 1997 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:16:59 -0200 Subject: Sinister: Geneva/B&S Message-ID: <22165987114022@secrel.com.br> At 13:59 12/09/97 -0600, you wrote: Two bands that i really love...for different reasons ! (Belle and Sebastian & Geneva) Ivo Augusto > > I saw Geneva play in Baltimore last night...They were truly lovely, I > must say....Anyway, I chatted with Andrew Montgomery, the singer with > the angelic voice, for a while.... The topic of Belle & Sebby came up > in our conversation, and he proclaimed his adoration for Tigermilk, > and utmost respectfor the work of B&S. He also mentioned that his > favourite song is "The State I'm In"... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From AEHering at xxx.com Sat Sep 13 01:12:08 1997 From: AEHering at xxx.com (AEHering at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: DJ Debate (not really about b&s, sorry!) Message-ID: <970912201029_1854039194@emout17.mail.aol.com> John Stuart wrote ... >BTW, it was Radcliffe who first started playing Belle & Sebastian. For your history books ... Peter Easton (Beat Patrol/Radio Scotland) already played a Stuart Murdoch demo back in early 1994 (!) ... most probably "Le Pastie De La Borgeousie", since it was Stuart's first classic ... Perfection As A Hipster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike.newman at xxx.net Sat Sep 13 06:39:37 1997 From: mike.newman at xxx.net (Mike Newman) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 06:39:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:century of fakers In-Reply-To: <01BCBFBE.6AEC6520@host5-99-60-176.btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:27:06 +0100, Chris Stack said: << I know what you mean Matt, I don't think I could handle B&S becoming mainstream. What would be worse was if Chr*s Ev*ns has them on his show when the next EP is released. We all know he would then claim to have discovered them and popularised the band when we all know any success would be down to the exceptional songs and not some arrogant jumped-up failed DJ whose TV show has almost played as many crap songs as Atlantic 252. >> You know what? I wouldn't even care. Somehow this past year or so I have managed to get totally beyond this. I love B&S because of the way, in a musical wasteland, they found me! (Maybe some thanks are due to this list too). I'm not too bothered who they keep company with, whose show they appear on etc. As long as the wonderful songs keep coming, I'm there....if they stop - well, I suppose I can be terribly fickle - but hey! That's popmusic (isn't it?). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics/Bacchanalian Revel homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Sat Sep 13 09:09:57 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:09:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: DJ Debate (not really about b&s, sorry!) References: <970912201029_1854039194@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <341A4A54.E170C4D3@mail.zynet.co.uk> AEHering at aol.com wrote: > John Stuart wrote ... > > >BTW, it was Radcliffe who first started playing > Belle & Sebastian. > > For your history books ... Peter Easton (Beat > Patrol/Radio Scotland) already > played a Stuart Murdoch demo back in early 1994 > (!) ... most probably "Le > Pastie De La Borgeousie", since it was Stuart's > first classic .. ah! Peter Easton! Was he still going in '94?! Is he still going now? Man, he was great, he had the best radio show in the country in the mid - late '80s, he played all the best indie-pop underground sounds. He also 'advertised' what was meant to be a private beach party in troon during the summer of 1988 (i think, it might have been '87, but my memory is shot), where the sea urchins, orchids, bachelor pad, close lobsters, remember fun and visitors were going to play... sigh. Saddly it was like monsoon season that day and we had to cancel it and adjurn to the pub instead. Still there were trails of soggy indiepopsters with tents to be seen trailing from the train station to the beach! Weird as hell... if only that day had been sunny, it might have changed all our lives. Phew. But yeah, Peter Easton. Top bloke. And cool to know that Stuart was obviously tuned in to him as well. sorry about the turgid reminiscing, the duke. feeling dead old now cos caz is gonna read this and go, oh i was only 10 when that happened, or something... pah. Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From VerveGBV at xxx.com Sat Sep 13 19:38:17 1997 From: VerveGBV at xxx.com (VerveGBV at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: helping a newbie? Message-ID: <970913143806_1728814527@emout08.mail.aol.com> i'll make this short and sweet. I'm new. I love Belle and Sebastian. I can't find ANY more material besides If your feeling... Could YOU wonderful people: 1. direct me to where/what i should purchase 2. make me and copy of hard to find/rarities/excellent material i can't purchase (money won't be a problem) p.s. i'm dying to get a copy of Tigermilk! PLEASE reply at: joneil at students.wisc.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Eshmade at xxx.com Sat Sep 13 20:35:07 1997 From: Eshmade at xxx.com (William Eshmade) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:35:07 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: unsubscribe ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Sat Sep 13 22:26:33 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:26:33 +0200 Subject: Sinister: On the radio Message-ID: <341B0509.6BD23315@colon.net.> A friend of mine tells me that B&S were on Spanish radio the other evening. The DJ praised their simplicity! Obviously never tried playing a Rolf Harris Stylophone on roller skates! And my friend asked me if it was a boy or a girl singing. So I explained that rigid notions of one's sexuality are no longer fashionable, and that it was a bloke with a big girl's blouse type voice. My boredom knows no bounds today. I've just watched Napoleon the Adventurous Puppy on video. I come here hoping for light relief and what do I find? "unsubscribe" !!**?¿!! At this rate we might have to have another pink polaroid competition. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From muellerj at xxx.edu Sun Sep 14 02:03:42 1997 From: muellerj at xxx.edu (Telepathic Traffic) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:03:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: picture perfect In-Reply-To: <341B0509.6BD23315@colon.net.> Message-ID: I had my roll of film from the B&S show developed today...there's absolutely beautiful. I'm amidst the workings of a homepage to display them for all who couldn't be there to at least see them. I'll let you know when its done. Theres 12 shots in all. ta ta jm *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& & another piece of drama mind: * *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& "peanut butter toast and american bandstand teach me how to cook teach me how to dance" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Sun Sep 14 10:06:39 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 02:06:39 -0700 Subject: Sinister: cover Message-ID: <341BA91F.218D@earthlink.net> someone asked earlier about what songs we think would make a good cover by the band. i have the perfect song. "frankie lymon" by weather prophets there you go. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leslie.chinea at xxx.com Sun Sep 14 00:54:14 1997 From: leslie.chinea at xxx.com (leslie.chinea at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 00:54:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: helping a newbie? Message-ID: <0001CBF0.003103@xx.emimusic.com> Thanks joneil for writing the following: >>>. i'm dying to get a copy of Tigermilk! >>>>> i'm in the same boat! can someone PLEASE just give a shout out as to how i can get a dub of Tigermilk!...i can trade...i've salvaged quantity of b&s posters from the ruins of their doomed american label the enclave that i'd be happy to share... leslie ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Sinister: helping a newbie? Author: VerveGBV at aol.com at X-MAIL Date: 9/13/97 2:38 PM i'll make this short and sweet. I'm new. I love Belle and Sebastian. I can't find ANY more material besides If your feeling... Could YOU wonderful people: 1. direct me to where/what i should purchase 2. make me and copy of hard to find/rarities/excellent material i can't purchase (money won't be a problem) p.s. i'm dying to get a copy of Tigermilk! PLEASE reply at: joneil at students.wisc.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: VerveGBV at aol.com From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Sun Sep 14 19:30:16 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (klas ericsson) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:30:16 +0200 Subject: Sinister: =?iso-8859-1?Q?You=B4re?= on top of the world again Message-ID: Hi! I was at the sunday show in NYC (great thanks to Michele and Scraffy), it was even better than I expected (and my expectasions weren´t low). The two songs that I just can´t get out of my head are "Century of fakers" and a song which chorus went "...You´re on top of the world again". Which song was that? And then - one more question. Ben from England promised me to copy "Tigermilk" but I lost his adress and he´s supposed to be on holiday. Did any one else get his adress? Best wishes, Klas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From xkh54 at xxx.com Sun Sep 14 15:18:50 1997 From: xkh54 at xxx.com (Steve Elliott) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:18:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Through the round window today, tomorrow? Who knows? Message-ID: <341BF24A.BBF6DA5C@dial.pipex.com> Hello, I only joined the group on Friday and I'm amazed at the response that it receives. It's truly heartwarming to see people with a passion for a beautiful band. I guess I only heard of them eighteen months ago, but they have been close to my heart ever since. I was sad and they gave me hope and a smile. Now though, I'm happy. I'm in love for probably only the second time in my life and the music is just as relevant. Love is an overwhelming emotion, but quiet reflection seems to bring great peace of mind. B & S help me in both. Regards and Fluffy Dogs on Wheels from Stephen....x ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Mon Sep 15 10:17:20 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:17:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Chr*s *v*ns Message-ID: Personally I don't care if B&S make it big, as long as it doesn't change the music they make. If they do get into the top 40 then more people will hear their music, bringing joy and happiness to many rather than we lucky few, and surely that has to be a good thing? I'll bet most of the people who want them to remain exclusive and personal have also been playing B&S songs to their friends and ranting about how good they are, but they don't seem prepared for that to be done on a larger scale. And if more people buy their records, maybe it will persuade them to do a few more gigs so that we can get to see them live occasionally... However I agree about Chr*s *v*ns. He was responsible for "discovering" the Divine Comedy with their "Something For The Weekend" single when he was doing the Radio 1 breakfast show, despite the fact that Mark Radcliffe had been playing the song for several weeks. While it would be great to see B&S on TV, I just hope no-one tries to take credit for it other than the band themselves. Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mark at xxx.uk Mon Sep 15 12:04:48 1997 From: mark at xxx.uk (Mark Dawson) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:04:48 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Picture Quality Message-ID: Ink Polaroids are surely a way of showing imaginary pictures to people. So, this means that without any skill at all, you can take great pictures of anything in the world. Or even not in this world..."This is one of me standing on Mars with two Martian friends...." So why is everyone sharing pictures that are crap! They're either blurred, too wet, feet only, wrong type of film - don't think I've seen a thumb over the lens yet but I'm sure it's coming! When I take pictures in real life, if any of the above happen, I tend to not put them on display in my photo album but hide them away somewhere. So come on people, if we're going to have to read about your private moments when we've never met you, lets at least have some nicely composed, in focus piccies to look at. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.avnet.co.uk/mdawson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Sep 15 14:20:55 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:20:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: You're on top of the world again Message-ID: <01BCC1E2.950391A0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> This is "No Expectations" from Tigermilk. Incidentally, Karen David's just pointed out that A Century of Fakers is due for release now in the first week of October. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From paulf at xxx.uk Mon Sep 15 14:50:31 1997 From: paulf at xxx.uk (Paul Forsyth) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:50:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: A Century of Fakers References: <01BCC1E2.950391A0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <341D3D27.A1AF8AEE@scs.leeds.ac.uk> Erm, I think I've missed a chunk of the mails... What is 'A Century of Fakers'?? The new B & S album? If it is then please don't flame but let me cower in my own ignorance.... :) Ta Paul ____________________________________ / \ Paul Forsyth / E: paulf at scs.leeds.ac.uk \ Computer Science { W: http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/paulf/ } University Of Leeds \ P: +44-113-233-6789 / Leeds LS2 9JT \____________________________________/ United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From WilliamsR10 at xxx.uk Mon Sep 15 15:16:02 1997 From: WilliamsR10 at xxx.uk (Rhys Williams) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:16:02 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: You're on top of the world again In-Reply-To: <01BCC1E2.950391A0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <13FB2EC2180@NPRDCF1S.CF.AC.UK> . > > Incidentally, Karen David's just pointed out that A Century of Fakers is due for release now in the first week of October. > Is this the one that was supposed to be out today? I went along to Virgin at lunchtime convinced I'd be buying the latest e.p.... Rhys ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Pam_Berry at xxx.com Mon Sep 15 15:49:00 1997 From: Pam_Berry at xxx.com (Pam Berry) Date: 15 Sep 97 10:49 -0400 Subject: Sinister: blurry pictures/tigermilk taping Message-ID: <199709151449.PAA02010@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> hi everyone, have seen (and deleted, oops) a couple of requests for tigermilk tapes and I think they both might have been people living in the u.s., just want to let anyone who needs it know that I'm still up for dubbage on this side of the world, just e-mail me privately at home (plb at tiac.net). so far, have mailed about 15 tapes out and among some interesting trades have gotten some stellar recipes and an amazing gun that shoots little plastic discs the length of my house. that thing pointed in the wrong direction, well, you know. also, mark said: >So why is everyone sharing pictures that are crap! They're either >blurred, too wet, feet only, wrong type of film - don't think I've >seen a thumb over the lens yet but I'm sure it's coming! >When I take pictures in real life, if any of the above happen, I tend >to not put them on display in my photo album but hide them away >somewhere. sorry, must beg to differ here. not that I'm organized enough to actually put my photos in an album (one day!), but I've got scads of them in boxes, drawers, laying around in piles, I've been buying old photos from estate sales and flea markets and stealing them from my relatives for years (that's what they get for leaving them around in boxes and drawers!), and the very best ones are the ones that are unfocused, unposed, thumb over the lens, shadow of the person taking it in the picture, etc.etc....you can tell so much about people when they are snapped unprepared/unposed, and my own pictures mean more to me if I remember that it's blurry because I was laughing too hard to keep the camera still or I was really plastered which will forevermore remind me of something someone told me that night under confidence of drunkness, or I took it too soon because someone was about to walk out of the frame, etc. etc. everything's got a story, and I'm less able to remember it/imagine it if there's nothing from a photo suggesting it. photos that I take myself (almost always with a polaroid because I don't ever seem to get around to developing the film otherwise) are documents to aid my crap memory. if someone picks up a pile of polaroids on my coffee table, say, from last weekend in new york when belle and sebastian stopped my heart repeatedly (no pictures of that, I'm afraid), I'd rather have to tell them the story of every photo, have them ask me why keith d'arcy is in the way background of a pierogie restaurant at one a.m. making that motion like he's playing a kuzoo, an entourage of chucklers being subjected to stories from his list of anecdotes (an actual list, I saw it), or whatever, than have them look through the pile and say, oh, people I don't know who are staring at the camera. I take those, too, but I'm not embarrassed to have people see the others. or maybe that's all just a rationalization for my inability to take a good picture but spend so much damn money on polaroid film anyway... cheers, pam pberry at washcp.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From wow at xxx.uk Mon Sep 15 14:18:13 1997 From: wow at xxx.uk (totv) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 13:18:13 -0000 Subject: Sinister: swaps Message-ID: <874325533.1110042.0@totv.demon.co.uk> Hello, Would anyone swap a tape of B&S evening session stuff, with a Tigermilk tape that I could do? ROB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From paulf at xxx.uk Mon Sep 15 16:38:46 1997 From: paulf at xxx.uk (Paul Forsyth) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:38:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: A Century of Fakers References: <01BCC1F0.29AAEA30@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <341D5686.92628FB1@scs.leeds.ac.uk> Ta Keith, I've been trying to go to a B&S concert for a while now but I've always managed to miss them in big ways. Since I've began to listen to their songs my first concert-miss was their Kelvingrove date in Glastow some time back - 'Whay, I get to go home to Cumbernauld' I thought, but no I had arranged to south to Cambridge instead :( Then they were playing in Oxford, the night before I had to fly to Boston/New York from Birmingham. So..... I was rather peeved to find they were playing in those cities in September, just when I had spent August there... One day... ____________________________________ / \ Paul Forsyth / E: paulf at scs.leeds.ac.uk \ Computer Science { W: http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/paulf/ } University Of Leeds \ P: +44-113-233-6789 / Leeds LS2 9JT \____________________________________/ United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From C.B.Stride at xxx.uk Mon Sep 15 16:54:11 1997 From: C.B.Stride at xxx.uk (Dr C.B.Stride) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:54:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: To UK listees - top indie night in Sheffield - 23/9 & 3/10 Message-ID: <3F745D24489@woodhead.shef.ac.uk> OFFBEAT - a real indiepop night....... with late bar, free lollipops and request sheets Sheffield Uni' SU Raynor Lounge (non-students most welcome) 9pm to 1am, £2.50 on the door... on Tuesday 23rd September Friday 3rd Octoberl Friday 7th November Friday 5th December Playing......Classic Indie, Punk POP 1977-1997 and C86/C96/new underground of indiepop..... DWEEB-CHAMELEONS-PASTELS-REM-SMITHS-CUD-PAVEMENT FALL- BLUR-JAM-HALF MAN HALF BISCUIT-TALULAH GOSH SUPER FURRY ANIMALS-ELASTICA-CURVE-URUSEI YATSURA- BOGSHED-TIGER-SNUFF-DEAD KENNEDYS-PWEI-CARTER USM STEREOLAB-CHINA DRUM-BLAGGERS ITA- BUZZCOCKS-PIXIES-BIS WEDDING PRESENT-ASH-BELLE&SEBASTIAN-SONIC YOUTH-BODINES. plus many more in the same vein...... for more details email C.B.Stride at Sheffield.ac.uk C.B.Stride at Sheffield.ac.uk *** daytime: 0114 2223262 *** *** FAX 0114 2727206 *** ** NEW ** evening: 0114 2306539 ** NEW ** "Watford FC Supporters - South Yorkshire branch" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From james54 at xxx.com Mon Sep 15 16:59:16 1997 From: james54 at xxx.com (Daniel James) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:59:16 -0700 Subject: Sinister: A Century of Fakers References: <13FB2EC2180@NPRDCF1S.CF.AC.UK> Message-ID: <341D5B53.8F4@sprynet.com> Hello, There's an online store based in California called Siren Disc that has a future releases section on their web pages. The following is listed for Belle & Sebastain at http://www.sirencd.com : Belle & Sebastian A Century Of Fakers 12" $9.99 Release Date: 22-Sep-97 A Century Of Fakers 7" $3.99 Release Date: 22-Sep-97 A Century Of Fakers CDS $9.99 Release Date: 22-Sep-97 Although they don't show a release date of early October yet, I've found this site a good source of information. It could certainly save you a bit of time and disappointment if you pick up the e.p.s in the shops. Incidentally, I don't recommend shopping through Siren; their customer service leaves much to be desired. Daniel Rhys Williams wrote: > > > > Incidentally, Karen David's just pointed out that A Century of Fakers is due for release now in the first week of October. > > > > Is this the one that was supposed to be out today? I went along to > Virgin at lunchtime convinced I'd be buying the latest e.p.... > > Rhys ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From paulf at xxx.uk Mon Sep 15 17:50:10 1997 From: paulf at xxx.uk (Paul Forsyth) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:50:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S & Indie nights Message-ID: <341D6742.91BCB779@scs.leeds.ac.uk> Thanks Dr Stride for mentioning the Indie night. I'm thinking about what other types of music Belle & Sebastian can accompany, and sound great with. Personally speaking I don't think they fit well with the majority of Indie bands (or whatever Indie counts as nowadays), especially at a student disco. B&S are a band I listen to, both musically and lyrically. Until I actually get to hear B&S being played whilst I am in a club I don't see how they would fit in. Some of the list, yeah, Smiths, Stereolab, Super Furry Animals, but they all have the same mood. I think I'll play around with me tapes tonight and see what mixes'an'moods work. Anyone else have thoughts? ____________________________________ / \ Paul Forsyth / E: paulf at scs.leeds.ac.uk \ Computer Science { W: http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/paulf/ } University Of Leeds \ P: +44-113-233-6789 / Leeds LS2 9JT \____________________________________/ United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From samiam2 at xxx.com Mon Sep 15 18:58:42 1997 From: samiam2 at xxx.com (Sam Khater) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:58:42 -0500 Subject: Sinister: A Century of Fakers References: <13FB2EC2180@NPRDCF1S.CF.AC.UK> <341D5B53.8F4@sprynet.com> Message-ID: <341D7752.D9AB6C2A@ix.netcom.com> Siren is a good place for harder to find releases in the US. They specialize in imports, but I agree with Daniel, customer service sucks. Does anyone know if B&S will definitely have an album which compiles these eps? Sam Daniel James wrote: > Hello, > > There's an online store based in California called Siren Disc that has a > future releases section on their web pages. The following is listed for > Belle & Sebastain at http://www.sirencd.com : > > Belle & Sebastian > A Century Of Fakers 12" $9.99 Release Date: 22-Sep-97 > A Century Of Fakers 7" $3.99 Release Date: 22-Sep-97 > A Century Of Fakers CDS $9.99 Release Date: 22-Sep-97 > > Although they don't show a release date of early October yet, I've found > this site a good source of information. It could certainly save you a > bit of time and disappointment if you pick up the e.p.s in the shops. > Incidentally, I don't recommend shopping through Siren; their customer > service leaves much to be desired. > > Daniel > > > Rhys Williams wrote: > > > > > > > Incidentally, Karen David's just pointed out that A Century of Fakers is due for release now in the first week of October. > > > > > > > Is this the one that was supposed to be out today? I went along to > > Virgin at lunchtime convinced I'd be buying the latest e.p.... > > > > Rhys > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris.Stack at xxx.com Mon Sep 15 18:17:45 1997 From: Chris.Stack at xxx.com (Chris Stack) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:17:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:century of fakers Message-ID: <01BCC203.C375D0E0@host5-99-60-211.btinternet.com> HMV 4.30pm. Me: Hello, do you have Belle and Sebastians new single? It comes out today. Bald Person behind the counter: [Pause]No it doesn't. Me: Yes it does, someone told me it came out today. BP: you mean Lazy Line painter Jane? Me: no, I've got that BP: Are you sure? This is the last entry on this sheet. Me: Yes, they've got a new single out. BP: (sarcastically) Well it'd be on this sheet if they did wouldn't it? Me: er, I suppose. BP: oh hang on, this is the wrong sheet. Sorry I'm new here. Me: Oh really. BP: Yes here it is, Century of fakers. Me: That's the one, can I have a copy? BP: yeah hang on........(5 Mins).......Oh, it comes out on October 6th Ha Ha Haaa, I'm new here. Me: right, thanks...[exit] BP: 'Ere John, this is the wrong sheet. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha [repeat to fade] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From escossia at xxx.br Mon Sep 15 18:37:58 1997 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo Augusto) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:37:58 -0200 Subject: Sinister: You're on top of the world again Message-ID: <18375871603184@secrel.com.br> At 15:16 15/09/97 GMT0BST, you wrote: >> Incidentally, Karen David's just pointed out that A Century of Fakers is due for release now in the first week of October. >> > > Is this the one that was supposed to be out today? I went along to >Virgin at lunchtime convinced I'd be buying the latest e.p.... > > Rhys WHAT ?????? I've sent a fax to *Sister Ray* ordering the single !!!!! Please ! Don't tell me that they didn't release "3,6,9 seconds of light" today! Any news about it ? Ivo Augusto ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Sep 15 19:23:19 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:23:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Picture Quality References: Message-ID: <341D7D16.6971AB1B@mail.zynet.co.uk> > So why is everyone sharing pictures that are > crap! They're....feet only, this one was me, and erm, i don't get what you're saying at all i'm afraid. It's like when one of my GCSE kids last year had these pictures of the multi-storey in town, and there was this one with a third whited out and the tell-tale yellow/orange line down it. It was a fantastic picture because of the accident. This kid didn't get why i was so enthusiastic about it, but a couple of the others did. I guess this is something you either get or you don't... Some of the best things artists do, creatively speaking, stem from accidents. > When I take pictures in real life, if any of the > above happen, I tend to > not put them on display in my photo album but > hide them away somewhere. i tend to recycle them in collages and then put those on display. > So come on people, if we're going to have to > read about your private > moments when we've never met you, lets at least > have some nicely composed, > in focus piccies to look at. sorry mark, remind me, which was the ink polaroid you submitted? respect. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Sep 15 19:32:18 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:32:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S & Indie nights References: <341D6742.91BCB779@scs.leeds.ac.uk> Message-ID: <341D7F31.BED34180@mail.zynet.co.uk> > B&S are a band I listen to, both musically and > lyrically. Until I > actually get to hear B&S being played whilst I > am in a club I don't see > how they would fit in. ooh, how strange. i played B&S last night down our Living Room club. It was after a Broadcast tune, at the end of the night... i was actually really pissed off because the sound system was fucked and one of the decks fell apart at the start so i had to mix with one deck and a CD, which was annoying cos most of my stuff was on vinyl. Um, which is maybe why i chose to spin 'Get me away from here...' ANyway, people came up and said, hey cool tunes... so i must have done something right. Oh yeah, and this was a night of drum'n'bass, hip hop, jazz, space rock, whatever... certainly not an 'indie' night. And B&S fitted in superbly. I have a tape of the mix if you want proof :-) the duke Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Sep 15 19:36:00 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:36:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: You're on top of the world again References: <01BCC1E2.950391A0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <341D8010.5046A115@mail.zynet.co.uk> Keith Watson wrote: > This is "No Expectations" from Tigermilk. isn't it just 'expectations'? sorry to be pedantic :-) It's maybe my favourite tune off Tigermilk too, i just love it, but that whole record is soooo good. Of course. I just love those lines about the queue for lunch and all... ha ha. And the bit about the Velvet Underground in clay is hilarious. And i like the idea of the head of english and that, but then maybe that's just my warped sense of humour, being a teacher and all. Sorry. i'll shut up now. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From madelain-jp at xxx.fr Mon Sep 15 19:53:11 1997 From: madelain-jp at xxx.fr (Jean-Philippe Madelaine) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:53:11 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Century of fakers Message-ID: <199709151854.UAA24627@pauline.infonie.fr> Everyone is talking about "Century of fakers" since two or three days. What is it ? I thought the new ep of B&S, which should be available today, was called "3,6,9 seconds of light". Is it the same ? An other one ?? I need your help because it's not easy to purchase these records from France when you don't have the titles of the records. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From andrewn at xxx.edu Mon Sep 15 21:54:52 1997 From: andrewn at xxx.edu (Andrew Hung Nguyen) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: LA tour dates Message-ID: has anyone heard about any Los Angeles dates!! Thanks Andy :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Mon Sep 15 21:46:07 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:46:07 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Picture Quality References: Message-ID: <341D9E8E.6D0A5F27@colon.net.> Have you ever seen a real polaroid? Always bloody blurred! Nick Rhodes of Duran Duran once published an entire book of blurred polaroids. What's good enough for Nick.... Peter (whose polaroid wasn't blurred at all) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Mon Sep 15 22:17:16 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:17:16 +0200 Subject: Sinister: B&S & Indie nights References: <341D6742.91BCB779@scs.leeds.ac.uk> Message-ID: <341DA5DC.64CAB1BA@colon.net.> Paul Forsyth wrote: > > B&S are a band I listen to, both musically and lyrically. > Until I > actually get to hear B&S being played whilst I am in a > club I don't see > how they would fit in. > > Some of the list, yeah, Smiths, Stereolab, Super Furry > Animals, but they > all have the same mood. I think I'll play around with me > tapes tonight > and see what mixes'an'moods work. > > Anyone else have thoughts? > Something like "Fox in the Snow" might be a good end of > the night smoocher. Especially if it's snowing outside. > You could play it after "Foxy Lady" and "Fox on the Run". > And you could say, "this one's for all you sly old foxes > out there prrrrowling the dance floor looking for some lurve action in the chicken coop...there'll be feathers flying tonight....grrrrrrowwll!" Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From wow at xxx.uk Mon Sep 15 17:04:18 1997 From: wow at xxx.uk (Rob Baker) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:04:18 +0000 Subject: Sinister: New York Times Review Message-ID: <341D5C80.EE7BA06D@totv.demon.co.uk> Hello A few days ago someone posted a New York Times Review of Belle and Sebastian and it also mentioned Beth Orton. If anyone has a copy of it they could send to me I would be very grateful. Thanks ROB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Mon Sep 15 22:48:11 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:48:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Century of fakers References: <199709151854.UAA24627@pauline.infonie.fr> Message-ID: <341DAD1B.26D8E74D@virgin.net> Jean-Philippe Madelaine wrote: > > Everyone is talking about "Century of fakers" since two or three days. > What > is it ? I thought the new ep of B&S, which should be available today, > was > called "3,6,9 seconds of light". Is it the same ? An other one ?? > > I need your help because it's not easy to purchase these records from > France when you don't have the titles of the records. > > JP 3,6,9 seconds of light IS the Century of fakers e.p. it's also got Le Pastie De La Bourgousie on it. you can see the artwork by visiting the site below and following the link to the sitemap (or use the drop menu). It's due for release on October 6th but may be put back one week depending on whether they can get it ready in time. Rough Trade store WILL stock it in a large quantity on all formats and can accept credit card payments on-line. They will have all formats and you get a 17.5% discount if you live outside the E.C. You can find them at http://www.roughtrade.com/ We will do a mail-out prior to it's release detailing all formats, cat no's, availability and where to buy it. We may also mail order it ourselves and cut out all the middle men (plus you'll be able to contact us whenever you want and we should also be able to take credit cards by then.). Don't worry about it all. We will keep you in touch with what's happening and you will be the first to know lyrics and release dates and stuff. love David and Katrina -- ***************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ***************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Mon Sep 15 22:51:26 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:51:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: You're on top of the world again References: <01BCC1E2.950391A0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> <341D8010.5046A115@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <341DADDE.44F234AD@virgin.net> > but then maybe that's > just my warped sense of humour, being a teacher > and all. Sorry. i'll shut up now. > > the duke Did you ever let us know what you teach? ;) david -- ***************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ***************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From steve at xxx.uk Tue Sep 16 01:47:40 1997 From: steve at xxx.uk (Steve Genge) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 01:47:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: arise Sir Cliff Message-ID: <68DC773E.MD-0.196.steve@seahorses.demon.co.uk> This may have come up before, apologies if it has. Just sat here listening to Tigermilk and after once again marvelling at how very wonderful it is something else struck me. The intro to "Mary Jo" where had I heard it before? Then like some scary vietnam flash back it hit me Cliff Richard's "A Winters Tale" Unless it has David Essex & the song wasn't called that at all? Is it just me & my head full of songs of Cliff? Please tell me it isn't so. Whilest I'm here, perfect songs for Belle & Sebastian to cover: Cattle & Cane or Bye Bye Pride by the Go-Betweens Gloria - Hurrah something by The Pale Fountains. -- [--------------------------------------------------------------------] steve genge steve at seahorses.demon.co.uk [--------------------------------------------------------------------] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Tue Sep 16 07:38:12 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:38:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: arise Sir Cliff References: <68DC773E.MD-0.196.steve@seahorses.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <341E2953.4C06FD49@mail.zynet.co.uk> Steve Genge wrote: > This may have come up before, apologies if it > has. > Just sat here listening to Tigermilk and after > once again marvelling > at how very wonderful it is something else > struck me. The intro to > "Mary Jo" where had I heard it before? > Then like some scary vietnam flash back it hit > me Cliff Richard's "A > Winters Tale" shit yeah, now you mention it, i can see the similarity. that's scary! > Whilest I'm here, perfect songs for Belle & > Sebastian to cover: > > Cattle & Cane or Bye Bye Pride by the > Go-Betweens > Gloria - Hurrah > something by The Pale Fountains. oh and now i want to weep with joy that someone has such impeccable taste! esp. Gloria cos i was just taping it for a friend this weekend... "trust in me, things you do and things you care for. Trust in me, things i tell you..." Classic. the duke Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Tue Sep 16 07:43:29 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:43:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: You're on top of the world again References: <01BCC1E2.950391A0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> <341D8010.5046A115@mail.zynet.co.uk> <341DADDE.44F234AD@virgin.net> Message-ID: <341E2A91.DFDF4057@mail.zynet.co.uk> David & Katrina wrote: > > but then maybe that's > > just my warped sense of humour, being a > teacher > > and all. Sorry. i'll shut up now. > > > > the duke > > Did you ever let us know what you teach? ;) you mean apart from 'as little as possible'? ;-) um, i teach art (which is as close to as little as possible as i could get) to high school kids. Nobody wants to make life size models of the velvet underground in clay though. except me. i did write those lines on my whitebaord once last year though and people said 'what the fuck is that all about?' except they didn't swear. except Katy, who swore all the time, but only in my classroom because she knew i didn't mind. i'm off to school right now. tara. the duke Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Tue Sep 16 12:50:25 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 04:50:25 -0700 Subject: Sinister: just like heaven Message-ID: <341E7280.6EFE@earthlink.net> hey. me again with a question not concerning b&s. has anyone on this list ever done business with this on-line record store JLH (just like heaven) based in italy? they seem to have a whole lot of stuff i want, but i've never heard of em and i don't want some company to steal my hard(ly) earned money. if any of you know if they're reputable or not, mail me personally. thanks. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From C.B.Stride at xxx.uk Tue Sep 16 08:47:18 1997 From: C.B.Stride at xxx.uk (Dr C.B.Stride) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:47:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S & Indie nights Message-ID: <40728E44C63@woodhead.shef.ac.uk> > Thanks Dr Stride for mentioning the Indie night. I'm thinking about what > other types of music Belle & Sebastian can accompany, and sound great > with. Personally speaking I don't think they fit well with the majority > of Indie bands (or whatever Indie counts as nowadays), especially at a > student disco. Well....my disco may take place at Sheff Uni' but the majority of punters are non-students; more the hardcore of Sheffield's indiepop scene, and they are always requesting 'Mayfly' and 'Seeing other people' (or at least they were last year!). And its an opportunity to educate those students currently overdosing on Paul Weller, etc Chris C.B.Stride at Sheffield.ac.uk *** daytime: 0114 2223262 *** *** FAX 0114 2727206 *** ** NEW ** evening: 0114 2306539 ** NEW ** "Watford FC Supporters - South Yorkshire branch" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From paulf at xxx.uk Tue Sep 16 09:32:49 1997 From: paulf at xxx.uk (Paul Forsyth) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:32:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S & Indie nights References: <40728E44C63@woodhead.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: <341E4431.E981B9E8@scs.leeds.ac.uk> > Well....my disco may take place at Sheff Uni' but the majority of > punters are non-students; more the hardcore of Sheffield's indiepop > scene, and they are always requesting 'Mayfly' and 'Seeing other > people' (or at least they were > last year!). And its an opportunity to educate those students > currently overdosing on Paul Weller, etc Mmm, sounds much better than current Leeds nights. Clubs, dance, club, dance..... Have indie nights in general went into a bit of a retreat since dance took off, and britpop made it commercial? I suppose what I'm trying to ask is what are the best indies places to visit in the UK! Ta Paul ____________________________________ / \ Paul Forsyth / E: paulf at scs.leeds.ac.uk \ Computer Science { W: http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/paulf/ } University Of Leeds \ P: +44-113-233-6789 / Leeds LS2 9JT \____________________________________/ United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Tue Sep 16 11:01:44 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:01:44 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199709160852.JAA26155@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> > Until I actually get to hear B&S being played whilst I am in a > club I don't see how they would fit in. Yeah, I know what you mean. My girlfriend goes to a lot of indie nights in Edinburgh. She tells me Belle & Sebastian always clears half the dance floor. Or it could be her and her mates dancing like mad to it that does it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Sep 16 10:11:05 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:11:05 +0200 Subject: Sinister: B&S & Indie nights References: <341D6742.91BCB779@scs.leeds.ac.uk> Message-ID: <341E4D29.45590D1F@colon.net.> Paul Forsyth wrote: > Thanks Dr Stride for mentioning the Indie night. I'm > thinking about what > other types of music Belle & Sebastian can accompany, and > sound great > with. Personally speaking I don't think they fit well with > the majority > of Indie bands (or whatever Indie counts as nowadays), > especially at a > student disco > ------------- > --------------------------------------------------------- Try doing your own Chemical Boys remix. Combine Public Enemy and Belle and Sebastian to produce Public Bellamy. Boom, boom!! Mister Derek ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Tue Sep 16 10:42:57 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:42:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S & Indie nights Message-ID: <01BCC28D.4C38CF20@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Paul Forsyth wrote: >I suppose what I'm trying to ask is what are the best indies places to visit in the UK! My vote goes to the Tube Bar in Leicester (Saturday nights, 10-2 at the International Club, near St Margarets bus station). They play Belle & Sebastian regularly, and it never clears the dancefloor. In fact, just the opposite. A few weeks back they played 3 B&S tunes back-to-back, and the floor was heaving. Mind you, it's not strictly an "indie" club.......lots of 60's psych, lo-fi stuff and a smattering of easy-listening. No "techno rubbish", mind (although they do play Cornershop, if that counts?). The place is always packed out.....probably about three-quarters non-student, for the socialogically-minded. Nigel xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Sep 16 11:19:58 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:19:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: To veer off the subject matter a little (again) Message-ID: <01BCC292.7819C5E0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Has anyone heard the new Blur single? (M.O.R.) Does anyone else reckon it's not slightly a little bit totally like "Boys Keep Swinging" by David Bowie? Like, even down to the words. Hello to Paul Laird by the way- sorry for being rubbered at your club again on Saturday. And regarding Indie Clubs - Paul plays B+S regularly at the Egg in Edinburgh and I wouldn't say there's any sort of "clearing of the dancefloor", good laugh. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Tue Sep 16 12:19:11 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:19:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Picture Quality Message-ID: <0039600000110591000002L012*@MHS> > So come on people, if we're going to have to > read about your private > moments when we've never met you, lets at least > have some nicely composed, > in focus piccies to look at. ah, but you're forgetting that real life isn't nicely composed or in focus a lot of the time... coming back yesterday, overnight flight, saw the sun coming up just as we reached british airspace and we were above the clouds and all and it was spectacular. but i was in an aisle seat about 6 feet from the minute window, over the wing too so i had to jiggle about in my seat in order to see more than a few inches of it at a time. then on the train on the way back there was this girl with the nicest brown eyes but she kept closing them and the train was rattling about like they do and my glasses were smudged so... (sat looking at the bernhard newman paintings in the museum on modern art in new york last thursday, great plains of colour crossed with lines of different colours and the whole thing was so big that my glasses (being as thick as they are) curved all the edges so i never saw it as it was intended to be seen). and i've a nasty feeling that all the photos i took in philadelphia, photos i will never get another chance to take, are victims of the cheap camera i was using - it was making some very strange noises whilst i was widning the film on... d'you see? andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Sep 16 11:48:20 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:48:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Picture Quality Message-ID: <01BCC296.6E9C9610@rainbow.qss.co.uk> and my glasses were smudged so... (sat looking at the bernhard newman paintings in the museum on modern art in new york last thursday, great plains of colour crossed with lines of different colours and the whole thing was so big that my [Keith Watson] Is this Barnett Newman you mean? If so - (I presume it is) Totally Brilliant, I've got "Onement 1" printed above my desk at the moment (let me know if you want the JPEG). I've always wanted to go to the New York galleries, I've got loads of Mark Rothko paintings above my desk - totally brilliant. What is it you do (workwise) Andy by that way? Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Sep 16 13:24:20 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:24:20 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <01BCC2A3.D8176180@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Something like "Fox in the Snow" might be a good end of > the night smoocher. Especially if it's snowing outside. > You could play it after "Foxy Lady" and "Fox on the Run". > And you could say, "this one's for all you sly old foxes > out there prrrrowling the dance floor looking for some lurve action in the chicken coop...there'll be feathers flying tonight....grrrrrrowwll!" Yes - I was thinking something along these lines, talking about covers, I thought, given My Life Story's recent cover of "Duchess" by the Stranglers and Omar's current cover of their "Golden Brown", I though Belle and Sebastian might join in... perhaps "Bring on the Nubiles" or even... wait I can see it now... "Waiting for the Meninblack"! What an ace idea, just slap a picture of Will Smith on the front and call it a film tie in - make a million bucks! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Tue Sep 16 15:56:40 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:56:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: peel and b&s Message-ID: <0039600000112945000002L052*@MHS> must chime in with stuff about peel and b&s. yes, radcliffe did get behind the band first and did a good job (strangely he played 'you're such a baby' first before playing 'state...' to death) with the sessions and all. but when peel had to play 'state...' during last years festive fifty he said something about having to borrow the radcliffe show's copy which he'd sent to them in the first place. and no, b&s aren't really a peel band, they're a bit too soft for him i think. yep, peel plays a lot of stuff that some people won't like. but you get used to it and end up liking it in the end. also, if you look at radio 1 these days you'll find a lot of specialist shows (the rap show, the jungle show, andy kershaw's thing, the evening session to some extent) that are there to showcase music that was formerly only available on peel's show. also, there's a lot more to peel than the music he plays... oh, and try the 'breeze block' section of mary ann hobbs' show (12 til 1 weekdays). (all these things are available via real audio on the radio 1 web page for you curious foreigners, www.bbc.com/radio1 ) um, and two blocks down from the nyc gig there were murals on the walls eulogising diana. i thought i'd done good skipping the country the day before elton john was due to sing and missing the 4 channels worth of funeral coverage only to get to america and find that all 7 channels that i had access too were full of it. and did jeffrey archer appear as much on english tv as he did on the american coverage? arsehole. (almost as bad as the american presenter speaking to somebody from coventry 'which is in the north of england'.) andy who did actually think of shouting out 'candle in the wind' but luckily only an hour after the gig in the car home. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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Is it just me, but can you also sing all the words to 'Yesterday' to the tune of 'Fox in the Snow'? Hmmmm Cover versions: June Brides' 'This Town' or the Razorcuts 'Sorry to Embarrass You' ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From John.Johnston at xxx.uk Tue Sep 16 16:04:54 1997 From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:04:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: elton and B&S Message-ID: <199709161459.PAA09437@hgty.capgemini.co.uk> Yesterday I was in Tower Records Picadilly trying to buy "3,6,9 Seconds of Light" (well nobody told me it wasn't comming out then). Obviously they didn't have it which made me sad. But they were playing "Lazy Line Painter Jane" as I entered the building which made me very happy after a day in the office. As I was leaving I was struck by how long the queue was and how odd it was to see a long line of middle-aged Japanese men here in a thrusting-young-buck music store. And the were all buying handfulls of Elton's single - 5 or 6 at a time! It was a thing that made me go 'hmmm'. xx john ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tom_Slipek at xxx.com Tue Sep 16 17:32:45 1997 From: Tom_Slipek at xxx.com (Tom Slipek) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:32:45 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Re: just like heaven Message-ID: <0008B4F7.0000001@ccmail.sgo.sony.com> Brad ,I Ordered a Mazzy Star cd single from them and was very impressed with their service.They were fast and send order status's by e-mail. I too am impressed with their good taste.That's one of the wonders of the net I can order rare european cd singles from Italy and have them sent to California in a short time. Jackson............................. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: just like heaven Author: superbob at ccmail Date: 9/16/97 4:50 AM hey. me again with a question not concerning b&s. has anyone on this list ever done business with this on-line record store JLH (just like heaven) based in italy? they seem to have a whole lot of stuff i want, but i've never heard of em and i don't want some company to steal my hard(ly) earned money. if any of you know if they're reputable or not, mail me personally. thanks. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stip at xxx.uk Tue Sep 16 17:43:12 1997 From: Stip at xxx.uk (Stip / Blue Music) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:43:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Free Tea on the Glasgow bus Message-ID: First I realise anyone's noticed is when the hostess lady on the bus from London to Glasgow taps me on the shoulder. I can't hear what she's saying because my personal stereo's too loud. I take my headphones off and look sheepishly at her, wiping my eyes and trying to smile. She's made me a cup of tea because I look so upset. She's noticed I've been looking out of the window crying for nearly an hour and she's worried about me. I don't think she really understands when I explain that the reason I'm crying is not because of any crisis but because I'm listening to such lovely songs. I am, of course, listening to Belle and Sebastian. And so I find yet another reason to love this band. Because they get me free tea on the National Express. -- Nicola M Stip / Blue Music www.stip.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Tue Sep 16 22:14:49 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:14:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Site updates Message-ID: <341EF6C9.5BE22859@virgin.net> I've just done a few more small updates to the site. 1- Lyrics for the 3..6..9 Seconds Of Light e.p. Well one of the songs anyway. The others will be on the site when the e.p. is released. 2- updated site map. 3- updated merchandise and orderform pages. (as we've now got LARGE sized t-shirts in both colours.). You can order Large T-shirts whenever you want as we've now got them. We'll have credit card facilities in about 2 weeks too! Anyway, have a look and read the lyrics, they're lovely. David :) -- ***************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ***************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeepster.uk at xxx.net Tue Sep 16 23:34:28 1997 From: jeepster.uk at xxx.net (Jeepster) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:34:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Press Release Message-ID: <341F0974.7B6FB4ED@virgin.net> Belle and Sebastian 3,6,9 Seconds of Light EP Released October 13th 1997 Featuring the songs: Century of Fakers Le Pastie De La Bourgeoisie Beautiful Put The Book Back On The Shelf "Hello, I've been asked to write a Press Release for this, our latest record. I have never written one before. I have never seen any of our previous Press Releases. I don't have access to one, so I can't copy it. I'm in the group, I play the guitar. I assume this goes out to journalists at the newspapers and the music press. I have not read that much on the group previously, but I believe we have done quite well with regards to exposure in the press: mostly positive, occasionally ecstatic and sometimes quite derisory. I don't care, I love it all. It's great reading about your group in the press, including the inevitable inaccuracies (but that somehow only adds to the fun). One thing though... Much has been made of our unwillingness to do interviews and be photographed. I don't understand it. During the early summer you couldn't open a magazine without someone in the bands mug and words of wisdom staring back up at you. I suppose if we get perceived as awkward, contrary, Scottish Indie Popsters, that's the way it goes. I'm not complaining, it's only Showbiz and i'm quite grateful for all the attention. Right now we are making more records and attempting to get better at playing gigs. I know we are a shambles, but we've only played about ten shows and the gaps between songs etc are caused through ineptitude. We could never be deliberately contemptuous of an audience and we are trying to get better - HONEST! Which brings me to our latest record. It's really good, and I like it a lot. Track 2 is my favourite, although wee Chris on keyboards thinks it sucks. Track 4 is a really good song, which I think we could have done a lot better, although Mark at the record company went wild for it. Well, so much is in the ear of the beholder I guess. Anyway, I hope you like it. Love, Stevie." And I hope you all like the Press Release! Definite Release date for the "3, 6, 9 ... EP" is now the 13th ... Sorry to everyone who thought it came out yesterday (15th). Vital didn't update their release sheets, so it's not really our fault ... :) ! Any queries, please feel free to phone or write to us at - Snail mail: Unit 217 Canalot Production Studios 222 Kensal Road London W10 5BN Phone: 0181 964 9432 or 0181 964 9434 Fax: 0181 964 8600 David (Kitchen .. lovely boy is he!) is setting up a web-site for us ... I think there's a page at http://freespace.virgin.net/jeepster.uk/home.htm, so maybe check there for other Jeepster bands etc. And, i'm probably more likely to answer my e-mails at home rather than work, so send them either to jeepster.uk at virgin.net or d.kitchen at virgin.net, either way, i'll get back to you. Radio should start playing the new EP beginning next week-ish, so stay tuned - especially to Jo Whiley as she LOVES them as much as we do! Thanks everyone for all your support! Cheers, Katrina + Mark + Stef otherwise known as Jeepster Recordings Ltd.! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From clive at xxx.uk Tue Sep 16 21:03:31 1997 From: clive at xxx.uk (ten seconds to midnight) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:03:31 GMT Subject: Sinister: 3, 6, 9 and Mark Radcliffe (not the DJ debate, however) Message-ID: <341ecfce.11673812@sdps.demon.co.uk> Hullo. I think we should email Mark Radcliffe lots and ask, no, tell him to make 'A Century of Fakers' as his Worm Of The Week whenever possible. Apologies to non-UK people. Well, you could email him too I suppose - mark.radcliffe at bbc.co.uk or something like that I think. b'bye. clv. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leslie.chinea at xxx.com Tue Sep 16 19:33:14 1997 From: leslie.chinea at xxx.com (leslie.chinea at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:33:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Lamacq Message-ID: <0001DB9D.003103@xx.emimusic.com> >>>that their American label, the Enclave, have gone 'belly up' (is this true?) so consequently the place was full of industry types. yes, the Enclave did close it's doors. I should know I use to work with them. and yes, there were a lot of industry types in the house all of them asking: "how can I get a copy of Tigermilk?" spoke with Stuart David briefly after the show and he said they were meeting with a few labels while they were in NY, but so far they like the vibe at Matador... Leslie. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Sinister: Lamacq Author: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?stephen_trouss=E9?=" at X-MAIL Date: 9/16/97 3:06 PM Just got today's Melody Maker and Steve Lamacq devotes half his column to the B&S shows in New York. 'It was probably a bit like this when Bob Dylan played down the road many years ago', he says, reverentially. He implies that their American label, the Enclave, have gone 'belly up' (is this true?) so consequently the place was full of industry types. By the by, someone was talking about 'Mary Jo's resemblance to the David Essex classic 'Only a Winter's Tale'. Is it just me, but can you also sing all the words to 'Yesterday' to the tune of 'Fox in the Snow'? Hmmmm Cover versions: June Brides' 'This Town' or the Razorcuts 'Sorry to Embarrass You' ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- Received: from server1.emimusic.com (193.122.8.130) by imailgp.xx.emimusic.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0001D816; Tue, 16 Sep 97 16:05:54 +0100 Received: from envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (envy.ph.ed.ac.uk [129.215.72.168]) by server1.emimusic.com with SMTP id PAA00948 for (2.1.1h-8.8.5/3.1.17); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:58:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA14466 for sinister-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:02:41 +0100 Received: from orange.easynet.co.uk (orange.easynet.co.uk [193.131.248.24]) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA14461 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:02:36 +0100 Received: from easynet.co.uk (kiwi.easynet.co.uk [193.131.248.4]) by orange.easynet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA07635 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:10:22 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709161410.PAA07635 at orange.easynet.co.uk> Received: (qmail 28033 invoked from network); 16 Sep 1997 14:04:05 -0000 Received: from poetryplace2.easynet.co.uk (HELO net) (194.154.107.4) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 16 Sep 1997 14:04:05 -0000 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?stephen_trouss=E9?=" To: Subject: Sinister: Lamacq Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:06:05 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?stephen_trouss=E9?=" From steve at xxx.uk Wed Sep 17 00:53:47 1997 From: steve at xxx.uk (Steve Genge) Date: 17 Sep 1997 00:53:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: elton and B&S In-Reply-To: <199709161459.PAA09437@hgty.capgemini.co.uk> Message-ID: <68DC768C.MD-0.196.steve@seahorses.demon.co.uk> > Yesterday I was in Tower Records Picadilly As I was leaving I was struck by how long the queue > was and how odd it was to see a long line of middle-aged Japanese men > here in a thrusting-young-buck music store. And the were all buying > handfulls of Elton's single - 5 or 6 at a time! It was a thing that made > me go 'hmmm'. > Yep it's a great time to working in a UK record shop as you tell the 200th person who has never ever before set foot in a record shop that no we have no Elton John singles. Watching the fist fight develop over the last copy on saturday proved entertaining though. Oops, off topic, let's see...well through some quirk of fate I seem to have ended up with several copies of the Polar Bear single that features Stuart Murdoch on one track (this years Electric Honey release) so if anyone would like one feel free to email me. regards, -- [--------------------------------------------------------------------] steve genge steve at seahorses.demon.co.uk [--------------------------------------------------------------------] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Wed Sep 17 12:26:57 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 04:26:57 -0700 Subject: Sinister: a worrying thing Message-ID: <341FBE81.600F@earthlink.net> i'm getting kinda scared. well, not scared. worried. i've always been a fanatical album collector. i won't brag about how many albums i have. i'll just say it's probably too much for someone who doesn't own a record store. well, i guess that's a way of bragging, isn't it? oh well. "hey what are you getting at?" askes you.....well, i'll tell you. i've always had the theory that the reason i spend every penny on a new album or single is because i'm always in search of the perfect song. the perfect band. the perfect emotion stated in the perfect way. and i knew it would happen one day. one day my search would be over. it's kind of saddening. enter belle and sebastian. i don't have tigermilk. i've haven't got dog on wheels(yet). and i just recently in the past three weeks purchased sinister. i go through phases, as i'm sure all of you do, where i get a new album and i may stop listening to my favorite-band-of-the-moment for a while. or i'll listen to nothing but a band that i'm about to see in concert and after the show, i hang em up for three or four months. it all depends on what i want to hear when i wake up. but since i've got sinister, none of those other albums mean anything. sinister is everything i ever looked for in an album. b & s are everything i ever looked for in a band (and i don't know a damn thing about them). and i listen to nothing but sinister all day every day for three weeks now. and that's not all such a good thing. remember when stone roses "stone roses" came out? i listened to nothing but that album for months upon months. and i'm sure a lot of you on this list did the same. now i haven't picked it up in a couple of years, but i still know what perfection it was and how it made me feel. i'm worried that sinister one day will become "stone roses". and i know i should listen to other things so as not to wear it out, but i can't. today i bought the new cornershop and i only got through the first three songs before i decided i'd rather be listening to sinister. "why are you wasting my time by making me read this?" askes you agayn. i dunno. i guess because the people on this list are the only other people i have some sort of contact with (no matter how feeble it is), that would understand. now i feel like some elitist fanboy. the type i've always hated. oh well. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From paulf at xxx.uk Wed Sep 17 11:30:00 1997 From: paulf at xxx.uk (Paul Forsyth) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:30:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Proposition... Message-ID: <341FB128.3B4B0853@scs.leeds.ac.uk> >From the bowls of my grey matter comes this idea... I've read about music artists gaining more control of their music by publishing their music via the web, i.e an electronic format, therefore avoiding the publishing companies altogether. Would it be a good idea for Belle and Sebastian to publish Tigermilk in this way via their web site? Would you 'buy' it, or would you like it for free? Would you even listen to it in this form? What about a live internet gig? Any other opinions...? ____________________________________ / \ Paul Forsyth / E: paulf at scs.leeds.ac.uk \ Computer Science { W: http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/paulf/ } University Of Leeds \ P: +44-113-233-6789 / Leeds LS2 9JT \____________________________________/ United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Wed Sep 17 13:55:15 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:55:15 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Proposition... References: <341FB128.3B4B0853@scs.leeds.ac.uk> Message-ID: <341FD332.261EE096@colon.net.> Paul Forsyth wrote: > >From the bowls of my grey matter comes this idea... > > I've read about music artists gaining more control of > their music by > publishing their music via the web, i.e an electronic > format, therefore > avoiding the publishing companies altogether. > > Would it be a good idea for Belle and Sebastian to publish > Tigermilk in > this way via their web site? Would you 'buy' it, or would > you like it > for free? Would you even listen to it in this form? What > about a live > internet gig? > > Any other opinions...? > > Any way of getting Tigermilk to the thirsty millions is fine by me. I'd thought of giving it away with the next album.....sound marketing and a good way to avoid the inevitable bad reviews when it eventually comes out........if they keep up the "legendary lost album" stance it might eventually be perceived by some people as a case of the emperor's new clothes....not that I care much anyway, but 200 quid is an obscene amount to pay.....I'd sooner hear new songs. By the way, if any of those top record company executives who were asking where to get Tigermilk at the NY gigs are surreptitiously reading this, they can have my for the equivalent of one month's salary for Seymour Stein, perks included. Here's a question: What do your parents think of Belle and Sebastian? I'm thinking of the way my dad used to take the piss out of me for liking Billy Bragg when I was an over-sensitive teenager. We've since come to an understanding,"but at the time it was terrible". Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Sep 17 13:23:05 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:23:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Proposition... Message-ID: <01BCC36C.D5852B90@rainbow.qss.co.uk> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Forsyth [SMTP:paulf at xxx.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 11:30 AM To: 'B&S mailing list' Subject: Sinister: Proposition... >From the bowls of my grey matter comes this idea... I've read about music artists gaining more control of their music by publishing their music via the web, i.e an electronic format, therefore avoiding the publishing companies altogether. Would it be a good idea for Belle and Sebastian to publish Tigermilk in this way via their web site? Would you 'buy' it, or would you like it for free? Would you even listen to it in this form? What about a live internet gig? Any other opinions...? [Keith Watson] It's a nice idea but to download the whole album at 44K a second makes : 44*60 = 2640K per minute 2640 * 45 = 118800K = 118 Megabytes, which at a probable maximum throughput of around about 3K a second (at least in the UK) would be around about 11 hours to download, which could wind up being rather costly - again, this'll be in the land of non-free local telephone calls - so if you had to buy it (which, lets face facts, would be only fair), you'd have to pay another 13 quid or so on top of the actual price of the album. Granted that'd be loads less than the 200 quid asking price at the moment, but still. Chris told me last christmas that they were going to release it on CD soon, however soon that he told me they weren't going to release it in the forseeable future. The reason for this I reckon, is basically, the mystique that having a brilliant unavailable album creates, it generates so much interest in the band it's untrue, I'm sure they will eventually release it, but it just seems that it's more beneficial to them not to release it. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stip at xxx.uk Wed Sep 17 13:37:36 1997 From: Stip at xxx.uk (Stip / Blue Music) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:37:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Snow Patrol Message-ID: <0RAwkCAQ88H0EwXq@stip.demon.co.uk> Sorry, not entirely B&S related this one (oh, okay then, barely even remotely B&S related), but does anyone know what time Snow Patrol are playing tonight? (at the Camden Crawl) - I need to know if I have to leave work early. Cheers! -- Nicola M Stip / Blue Music www.stip.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Wed Sep 17 15:27:53 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:27:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: new york stuff Message-ID: <0039600000125197000002L072*@MHS> um, been looking for stuff about the new york gigs to incorporate into my web page and, well, the best stuff has been on this list so i thought i'd steal it all... if anybody's upset at this let me know and i'll remove their stuff (it's all archived on the web anyway, i was just going to try and make it look like everything else on there). if anyone wants to tidy it up themselves or edit what they've written then feel free to send me the updated text. pictures would be nice too (pam). and set lists for friday and saturday... and writer credits for nytimes article... cheers andy andrew.dean at bull.net (not american either! chris, tape's in the post. oon, tape's in the tape deck...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Wed Sep 17 17:59:56 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:59:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Proposition... References: <341FB128.3B4B0853@scs.leeds.ac.uk> <341FD332.261EE096@colon.net.> Message-ID: <34200C8C.FD47FA9B@mcmail.com> > Here's a question: > What do your parents think of Belle and Sebastian? Well...I'm not sure...I played "Sinister" on holiday but I don't think they said anything very memorable about it... they approve of some of my musical tastes though- they like Momus, Orlando, The Divine Comedy, Dexdexter (!), Minty (!!!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leslie.chinea at xxx.com Wed Sep 17 13:37:06 1997 From: leslie.chinea at xxx.com (leslie.chinea at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:37:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Belle & Sebastian Set List Message-ID: <0001E19C.003103@xx.emimusic.com> Following is the set list from the PBS tapings in New York for the B&S Web page... Leslie. Is it wicked not to care? Like Dylan in the movies Ease your feet in the sea a century of Elvis Slow graffiti Seymour Stein Mayfly Lazy line painter Jane Rollercoaster Ride Sleep the clock around Middle distance runner ____________________________________________________________________________ Nettwerk Records - PO Box 1386 - Pepperell, MA 01463 ph (508) 433-2883 fx (508) 433-5613 Nettwebsite: http//www.nettwerk.com -------------- next part -------------- Received: from server1.emimusic.com (193.122.8.130) by imailgp.xx.emimusic.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0001DFC8; Wed, 17 Sep 97 15:47:23 +0100 Received: from budd.nettwerk.com (budd.nettwerk.com [209.17.154.3]) by server1.emimusic.com with ESMTP id PAA09130 for (2.1.1h-8.8.5/3.1.17); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:39:57 GMT Received: from [38.26.72.100] (ip100.westford2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.72.100]) by budd.nettwerk.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA21143 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:37:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: stacey at mailhost.nettwerk.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0001DFB3.003103 at xx.emimusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:42:20 -0500 To: leslie.chinea at emimusic.com From: Stacey Taylor Subject: Re: Belle & Sebastian Set List From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Sep 17 19:37:20 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:37:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Proposition... References: <341FB128.3B4B0853@scs.leeds.ac.uk> <341FD332.261EE096@colon.net.> Message-ID: <34202360.CEF6CE81@mail.zynet.co.uk> > Here's a question: > What do your parents think of Belle and > Sebastian? dunno about parents, but my colleague at school was in my room before the hols, and i was just playing the tape of Lazy Line... and she said, ooh this is good! She sounded surprised because i usualy play weird techno, or so she says :-) She's obviously not my mom, but she's over 40. Ha ha. Oh yeah, and my other colleague, he's around 55, and HE likes B&S because i gave him a tape and he says they play it all the time round their house. Their daughters, 13 and 10 also rather like it... as they like Felt. Strange but strangely true!! Erm, was that what you wanted to hear? Or did you want to hear the line like, 'my parents hate B&S because they say they sound miserable and depressed all the time, and WHY do i keep wearing black and WHY don't i go out and get some nice friends'? the duke Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Wed Sep 17 19:30:38 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:30:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: a worrying thing References: <341FBE81.600F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <342021CD.499FC499@mail.zynet.co.uk> > remember when > stone roses "stone roses" came out? i listened > to nothing but that album > for months upon months. and i'm sure a lot of > you on this list did the > same. now i haven't picked it up in a couple of > years, but i still know > what perfection it was and how it made me feel. > i'm worried that > sinister one day will become "stone roses". but that's GOOD!!! god, i still remeber the day 'Stone Roses' came out, it was a great sunny day in Glasgow, and we'd stayed up all night to watch the sunrise and i walked back to central station from out by Byars Road. It was just as the stores were opening and i went into Missing down by the arches wasn't it? And i picked up two copies, one for me, one for my girlfriend. I got back to Troon (oops, it crops up again!) and we sat on my girlfriend's front door step and played the LP all day in the sun. It was Special. And the subsequent events that overtook Stone Roses don't matter a damn... nothing can take away the greatness of that record gelling so perfectly with that time. It didn't last long either, i remember going away to the US for a couple months, then coming home to find that it had all gone overground in a silly way, BUT, the moment still stuck and sticks still. So to B&S, and YES i remember the day i got Sinister (without sleeve because they couldn't find it in the store) and it's the same thing... with that record and the whole feeling of the band, only a million times more acute, or so it feels. I don't listen to Sinister as much as i did, but still when i slide it on it makes me shiver, makes me quiver, makes me want to share this Love with other people. So, 'a worrying thing'? Hell, only if you're worried by extreme emotion, by the amazing feeling of warmth and delight that i suspect B&S bring to you. surrender to the love, live the life of a juggler. the duke. (off to play Stone Roses just to see what it does to me..) -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From faw1 at xxx.edu Wed Sep 17 20:57:25 1997 From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: Belle & Sebastian Set List In-Reply-To: <0001E19C.003103@xx.emimusic.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 leslie.chinea at emimusic.com wrote: > Following is the set list from the PBS tapings in New York for the B&S > Web page... > > Leslie. > > > Is it wicked not to care? > Like Dylan in the movies > Ease your feet in the sea > a century of Elvis > Slow graffiti > Seymour Stein > Mayfly > Lazy line painter Jane > Rollercoaster Ride > Sleep the clock around > Middle distance runner > The set-list is correct as printed, however, I don't think Belle and Sebastian got to play Loneliness of Middle Distance Runner, and Roller Coaster Ride came last as they had a bit of a problem with Chris's keyboard and jumped right into Sleep the Clock Around. just making sure the live circumstances are reflected correctly! :) francisco ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leslie.chinea at xxx.com Wed Sep 17 16:30:01 1997 From: leslie.chinea at xxx.com (leslie.chinea at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:30:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Belle & Sebastian Set List Message-ID: <0001E29E.003103@xx.emimusic.com> francisco wrote, >The set-list is correct as printed, however, I don't think Belle and >Sebastian got to play Loneliness of Middle Distance Runner, and Roller >Coaster Ride came last as they had a bit of a problem with Chris's >keyboard and jumped right into Sleep the Clock Around. thanks francisco, i forgot about the technical difficulties...you are indeed correct! Leslie. > > Is it wicked not to care? > Like Dylan in the movies > Ease your feet in the sea > a century of Elvis > Slow graffiti > Seymour Stein > Mayfly > Lazy line painter Jane > Rollercoaster Ride > Sleep the clock around > Middle distance runner -------------- next part -------------- Received: from server1.emimusic.com (193.122.8.130) by imailgp.xx.emimusic.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0001E25E; Wed, 17 Sep 97 21:04:36 +0100 Received: from aloha.cc.columbia.edu (aloha.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.134]) by server1.emimusic.com with ESMTP id UAA11673 for (2.1.1h-8.8.5/3.1.17); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:57:09 GMT Received: from localhost (faw1 at localhost) by aloha.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09888; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:57:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Francisco Alberto Wong Sender: faw1 at columbia.edu To: leslie.chinea at emimusic.com cc: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Re: Sinister: Re: Belle & Sebastian Set List In-Reply-To: <0001E19C.003103 at xx.emimusic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From clbarnes at xxx.com Wed Sep 17 21:47:45 1997 From: clbarnes at xxx.com (Clint Barnes) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: enchanting voices... Message-ID: hullo, i'm new to this list and i've got a million questions, however only one will bother you right now: After hearing 'A Century Of Elvis' and That-Arab Strap- Song-Where-The-Guy-Talks-Throughout-The-Song- Instead-Of-Singing, I'm now interested in hearing more and more of the Scottish accent. Does anyone know of other songs that are recorded in this style? Interesting music with a person speaking in a Groundskeeper Willie accent? I watched the Blue Boy last night in an effort to appease my ears, but it wasn't enough. I guess tonight I'm going to rent Gregory's Girl and Local Hero again. Aw, what the heck, here's another one: I heard the Evening Session songs on Real Audio a little while back - are there any other plans for B&S radio recordings to ever be 'released'? Also, does anyone know of this crazy guy who does a radio show calling himself 'wee fat bob'? my pal and i heard it one morning during our trip to Scotland last spring, and i haven't been able to find out a damn thing about the guy since. The show was pretty lame, but it was hilarious to hear someone telling people to call him on the Fat Boy Line! Oh yeah, a tie-in... Ok, has Wee Fat Bob ever mentioned or played B&S on his show? Thanks a bajillion from an isolated computer-geek in California, Wee Fat Clint ____________________________ clint barnes Electronic Publishing clbarnes at cisco.com (408) 526-8379 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From andrewn at xxx.edu Wed Sep 17 22:04:48 1997 From: andrewn at xxx.edu (Andrew Hung Nguyen) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: PBS taping Message-ID: I am confused about the B & S taping!!! Are they planning to show the concert on PBS? If they are, when? Thanks Andy :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MPRVixen at xxx.com Wed Sep 17 22:40:58 1997 From: MPRVixen at xxx.com (MPRVixen at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Not necessarily your parents' band. Message-ID: <970917173808_612183809@emout10.mail.aol.com> My mom *loves* belle & sebastian. she plays it in her car over and over and over again. every time a new EP would come in the mail from Rough Trade, she would make me tape it and add to her collection. my dad, on the other hand, has no time on his watch for b&s. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From TED_MCCAGG at xxx.com Wed Sep 17 22:51:14 1997 From: TED_MCCAGG at xxx.com (TED_MCCAGG at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:51:14 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Color Me Ignorant Message-ID: <001B58F4.1564@yr.com> As a novice to this list, I'll ask a stupid question. Tigermilk. I know finding an actual copy is absurd but anyone have a quality dub they'd surrender? Also, in NYC, where's the best place to grab the new EP? Tried Other Music but no luck. Thanks- T ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leslie.chinea at xxx.com Wed Sep 17 21:57:56 1997 From: leslie.chinea at xxx.com (leslie.chinea at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:57:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Color Me Ignorant Message-ID: <0001E43F.003103@xx.emimusic.com> TED_MCCAGG at yr.com wrote: >in NYC, where's the best place to grab the new EP? Tried Other Music but no luck. I'm surpised you had no luck at Other Music -- they propably sold out. You should try Etherea on East Ninth Street & Avenue A last time I was there he had Lazy Line Painter on vinyl and CD you can e-mail him at etherea at flotsam.com Leslie. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Sinister: Color Me Ignorant Author: TED_MCCAGG at yr.com at X-MAIL Date: 9/17/97 5:51 PM As a novice to this list, I'll ask a stupid question. Tigermilk. I know finding an actual copy is absurd but anyone have a quality dub they'd surrender? Also, in NYC, where's the best place to grab the new EP? Tried Other Music but no luck. Thanks- T ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- Received: from server1.emimusic.com (193.122.8.130) by imailgp.xx.emimusic.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0001E31E; Wed, 17 Sep 97 23:35:55 +0100 Received: from sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk [129.215.72.230]) by server1.emimusic.com with SMTP id XAA12462 for (2.1.1h-8.8.5/3.1.17); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:28:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA06777 for sinister-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:07:08 +0100 Received: from yandr-bh.yr.com (yandr-bh.yr.com [206.33.89.66]) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA06773 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:07:04 +0100 From: TED_MCCAGG at xxx.com Received: (from uucp at localhost) by yandr-bh.yr.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id SAA10075 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:07:29 -0400 Received: from smtp1.yr.com by yandr-bh.yr.com via smap (3.2) id xmag09800; Wed, 17 Sep 97 18:07:17 -0400 Received: from ccMail by smtp1.yr.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 001B58F4; Wed, 17 Sep 97 18:06:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:51:14 -0400 Message-ID: <001B58F4.1564 at yr.com> Subject: Sinister: Color Me Ignorant To: sinister at majordomo.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Precedence: bulk Reply-To: TED_MCCAGG at yr.com From plaird at xxx.uk Thu Sep 18 05:01:11 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 04:01:11 +0000 Subject: Sinister: B&S and Indie Nights Message-ID: <199709180252.DAA18682@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> Keith Watson recently wrote: >And regarding Indie Clubs - Paul plays B+S regularly at the Egg in Edinburgh and I wouldn't >say there's any sort of "clearing of the dancefloor", good laugh. Thanks for the mention - We do try! I almost played Judy and the Dream of Horses last week - a long standing fanatical request - but I chickened out yet again as I don't think some of our punters (The '60s psych types actually) could handle the somewhat relaxed intro. >John Stuart wrote (sorry, I didn't save the message) >that his girlfriend had danced to B&S in some Edinburgh indie club. Would that have been at The EGG? only I can't imagine FBI or EVOL('Shine'-style Indie Superclubs) spinning B&S at all. O.K. maybe when Dog on Wheels came out - and then only the title track - its not snobbery on my part, since playing any other B&S would normally be commercial suicide knowing their playlists and customer base. Maybe its another symptom of B&S going overground! - I'll prepare to be corrected and amazed on this point. By the way, if anyone wants tapes of any Felt stuff you could drop me a line. I've got just about everything bar the first single (which probably came out when I was about 10 yrs old!). No Tigermilk from me unfortunately. Bye for now, Paul "Go to work on an Egg" - Egg Marketing Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Thu Sep 18 05:58:17 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 04:58:17 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Groundskeeper Willie Accents Message-ID: <199709180349.EAA21506@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> Clint Barnes (clbarnes at cisco.com) wrote: >After hearing 'A Century Of Elvis' and That-Arab Strap- >Song-Where-The-Guy-Talks-Throughout-The-Song- >Instead-Of-Singing, I'm now interested in hearing more >and more of the Scottish accent. Does anyone know of >other songs that are recorded in this style? Interesting >music with a person speaking in a Groundskeeper Willie >accent? I watched the Blue Boy last night in an effort to >appease my ears, but it wasn't enough. I guess tonight I'm >going to rent Gregory's Girl and Local Hero again.(Clint Barnes) The Pastels 'Sittin' Pretty' LP immediately comes to mind. Although not strictly 'Groundskeeper Willie' style, songs like 'Ditch the Fool' and 'Sittin' Pretty' definitely betray S. Pastels' West of Scotland brogue in a not-quite-singing voice. There are also ace songs like 'Nothing to be done' and 'zooom' on it. I'm sure some other maybe more obvious suggestions will be posted (BMX Bandits and suchlike). and more: >does anyone know of this crazy guy who does a radio show calling >himself 'wee fat bob'? my pal and i heard it one morning >during our trip to Scotland last spring, and i haven't >een able to find out a damn thing about the guy since. > The show was pretty lame, but it was hilarious to hear >someone telling people to call him on the Fat Boy Line! >Oh yeah, a tie-in... Ok, has Wee Fat Bob ever mentioned >or played B&S on his show? Spookily enough, I was at work on Sunday morning (5 hours after clubbing) and the radio had Wee Fat Bob on it. Lame's not the word for the show -as I recall we actually remarked on its mainstream '80s timewarp feel (Hall & Oates et al). I recall the show being mildly amusing, but more at the attempts (most failing miserably) at radio DJ humour. Sadly, I seriously doubt if he's even heard of B&S. Cheerio in a scottish accent, Paul (plaird at netdirect.co.uk) "Go to work on an Egg" - Egg Marketing Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Thu Sep 18 09:20:45 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:20:45 -0700 Subject: Sinister: elvis Message-ID: <3420E45D.5DAB@earthlink.net> i reckon elvis is a cat. -brad -stating the obvious ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Sep 18 07:45:48 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 07:45:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: felt things References: <199709180252.DAA18682@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: <3420CE1C.D24D9E24@mail.zynet.co.uk> plaird wrote: > By the way, if anyone wants tapes of any Felt > stuff you could drop me a > line. I've got just about everything bar the > first single (which probably > came out when I was about 10 yrs old!). and if anyone wants a tape of 'Index' then i have a copy... only for the die-hard obsessives i suspect, as it's, um, 'abrasive' :-) It came out when i was 13. the duke Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From GWHITE at xxx.com Thu Sep 18 09:36:31 1997 From: GWHITE at xxx.com (Graham White) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 9:36:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: enchanting voices... Message-ID: <08462221856347@reliant.usa.com> Greetings, I am in a similar situation. I think that the Scottish accent spoken along to music sounds cool. They could be speaking gibberish, and probably are, but it still manages to sound cool. In Ireland at any rate the women think that the Scottish accent is very sexy, whatever that has to do with anything... enough! Another band with that kind of song is Prolapse, including male and female spoken word, so see you Jimmy, go and listen to Prolapse for a while, Graham Ps. Does anyone else think that the beginning of the chorus of "Judy and the dream of Horses" sounds like Abba's "SOS"..... "So if you need me darling blah blah blah blah, SOS!" Maybe it's just me : ) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Sep 18 09:41:28 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:41:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: a worrying thing Message-ID: <01BCC417.0A3DB780@rainbow.qss.co.uk> were opening and i went into Missing down by the arches wasn't it? And i picked up two copies, one for me, one for my girlfriend. I got back to [Keith Watson] Odd that, as I'll completely agree, I had exactly the same experience as you with the Stone Roses, listened to it for about the next two years non stop, it was bloody great - probably the best album I've ever heard. I did however have the same experience, just over a year ago with Tigermilk, and it was Missing, down by the arches, that I bought that in... It's also, as I remember, something Chris Keyboards was comparing it to, he reckoned, much as they were good, it was never as good as the Stone Roses, even although I told him I reckoned Tigermilk was the first record since the Stone Roses to affect me in the same sort of way (not that there haven't been a load of brilliant records in between, but MBV, talk talk, Fear of a black planet and the KLF don't really work the same way), and I reckon lots would agree. It's also, I would venture, the best album of the 90's, for me, overtaking the four previously mentioned records, DJ Shadow, Underworld, Ultra Vivid Scene etc. etc. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Thu Sep 18 11:00:59 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:00:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Dire Straits Message-ID: <0039600000131486000002L062*@MHS> have sent 3 posts to the list in the last couple of days and only one seems to have made it to the archive. which is odd. the first was about my parents and whilst my mum generally approves my dad's pretty clueless. as expected. (actually my dad did surprise me a few years ago when he seemed to recognise 'some candy talking' - 'that's that song about drugs isn't it?') the other was a re-iteration of my offer to tape tigermilk for anyone who wants a copy. i'm just about done with the outstanding requests i have and have noticed 3 posts in recent days. oh, katrina, did you get the tape i sent? andy (andrew.dean at bull.net) "There's no such thing as Scotchtoberfest" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Thu Sep 18 10:06:12 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:06:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: DJs playing B&S (or not) Message-ID: >> Until I actually get to hear B&S being played whilst I am in a >> club I don't see how they would fit in. Not quite the same circumstances I know, but last night on the Camden Crawl the DJ played LLPJ straight after Silver Sun had finished their set while we were waiting for Echo and the Bunneymen to come on, and it bombed, I think I was the only person in the place dancing. Oh, and the latest band to follow the B&S path to fame and fortune, Snow Patrol (aka Polar Bear) sound absolutely nothing like B&S; they reminded me more of the Longpigs, except that they had some tunes. Best band of the night was probably Carrie. Stuart G > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Thu Sep 18 12:06:44 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:06:44 +0000 Subject: Sinister: B&S in Edinburgh Clubs Message-ID: <199709180957.KAA03069@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Paul wrote: >Would that have been at The EGG? only I can't imagine FBI or >EVOL('Shine'-style Indie Superclubs) spinning B&S at all. O.K. maybe when >Dog on Wheels came out - and then only the title track - its not snobbery >on my part, since playing any other B&S would normally be commercial >suicide knowing their playlists and customer base. Maybe its another >symptom of B&S going overground! - I'll prepare to be corrected and amazed on >this point. I think she has mentioned Belle & Sebastian being played a few times at FBI and Madchester. I can't remember what they played, I'll ask her tonight. But there was a few instances of this before DoW's was released. It could have been 'Dylan in the movies'. The last time I was at Evol I asked for B&S, but the DJ just looked at me blankly. I'll have to come along to Egg sometime. It's on at the Attic isn�t it? When is it on and what other bands get played? >No Tigermilk from me unfortunately. Get in touch Paul if you want a copy. John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Sep 18 11:21:46 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:21:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S in Edinburgh Clubs Message-ID: <01BCC425.0D077D80@rainbow.qss.co.uk> I think she has mentioned Belle & Sebastian being played a few times at FBI and Madchester. I can't remember what they played, I'll ask her tonight. But there was a few instances of this before DoW's was released. It could have been 'Dylan in the movies'. The last time I was at Evol I asked for B&S, but the DJ just looked at me blankly. I'll have to come along to Egg sometime. It's on at the Attic isn't it? When is it on and what other bands get played? [Keith Watson] He's a tosspot - never mind, he's given up playing the stuff he's actually into in order to make loadsamoney. Paul plays B+S regularly (he needs however to stop wimping out and playing the same ones every week). Evol's such a miserable piece of shit, I rarely manage to drag myself to dance there, whenever I'm there, and that's always because there's absolutely nothing else on. >No Tigermilk from me unfortunately. Get in touch Paul if you want a copy. [Keith Watson] I gave Paul a copy a few weeks ago but he's claimed that it's a shit copy, my stereo's like 20 years old - so perhaps it might be a good idea if you did him one. I did actually spend a good six months distributing copies of Tigermilk to egg-goers who I thought would appreciate it, some of them absolutely love it. You should come along to the egg John, I was there with Ian Jackson last week who just turned up out of the blue, come out for a drink beforehand, I'm going to give Ian a ring some time, perhaps next week John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Sep 18 14:30:57 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:30:57 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Something Nice Message-ID: <34212D11.B7DEF901@colon.net.> Today I wndered into my local ultra-conservative record emporium, a place where George Michael is (quite rightly) considered the epitome of cool, and do you know what was playing? Yes, that's right,"If You're Feeling Sinister" has finally made it to this remote backwater! It was deeply groovy moment. I stayed until the end, unable to believe they'd leave it on all the way through, but they did. As I was leaving the kindly shopkeeper was scratching his head over the CD booklet, so I think he might be a convert. Definitely the nicest thing to have happened in that shop since Manowar did a press conference, which the lead singer started by telling the bemused punters that he had just got out of bed with a girl with (and I quote), "the most enormous ass you ever saw!" Sorry to lower the tone. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From j.stuart at xxx.com Thu Sep 18 16:48:26 1997 From: j.stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:48:26 +0000 Subject: Sinister: RE: B&S in Edinburgh Clubs Message-ID: <199709181439.PAA06216@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> >You should come along to the egg John, I was there with Ian Jackson last week who >just turned up out of the blue, come out for a drink beforehand, I'm going to give Ian a >ring some time, perhaps next week Just after I sent my last email, Ian came into my room and said that I should go to Egg with him sometime. He also filled me in on were & when it is and what music it plays. So, it sounds great. I'll look forward to it. On another subject, did everybody here that Mark & Lard are being kicked off the Breakfast Show and will now take over the 2 til 4 in the afternoon slot. To put salt in the wound, they are being replaced by Kevin Greening and Zoe Ball. A travesty, I think you'll agree. John S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Thu Sep 18 16:41:24 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:41:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Belle & Sebastian Set List Message-ID: <0039600000134426000002L062*@MHS> >Following is the set list from the PBS tapings in New York >for the B&S Web page... >Leslie. ... >a century of Elvis ... thanks for that leslie. but are you sure this was '...elvis' and not '...fakers'? i can't see them doing '...elvis' live as there's too much to remember... cheers andy web page update any day now... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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Hopefully if he's under less pressure he might not worry as much about minding what he says, because he's at his best when he's slagging people off. Not sure about Zoe Ball though. Any idea if anyone else is moving shows? Stuart G > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Sep 18 16:23:06 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:23:06 +0200 Subject: Sinister: RE: B&S in Edinburgh Clubs References: <199709181439.PAA06216@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Message-ID: <3421475A.15AB48AF@colon.net.> John Stuart wrote:. > On another subject, did everybody here that Mark & Lard > are being kicked > off the Breakfast Show and will now take over the 2 til 4 > in the afternoon > slot. To put salt in the wound, they are being replaced > by Kevin Greening > and Zoe Ball. A travesty, I think you'll agree. > > John Whatever happened to Johnny Ball? Lardy and Wotsit will probably be glad of a lie-in in the mornings. Bring back Noel Edmonds and Jimmy Saville! Especially Jimmy Saville! 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leslie.chinea at xxx.com Thu Sep 18 13:10:46 1997 From: leslie.chinea at xxx.com (leslie.chinea at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:10:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Belle & Sebastian Set List Message-ID: <0001E95D.003103@xx.emimusic.com> >Andrew Dean wrote regarding the NY PBS Tapings: >a century of Elvis ... thanks for that leslie. but are you sure this was '...elvis' and not '...fakers'? i can't see them doing '...elvis' live as there's too much to remember... As I recall, Stuart read from a book for 'elvis'. A friend of mine actually took the set list from the event (I think it was the drummers...richard? we were sitting right behind the drum kit.) so i just typed what was on the set list. i'm almost positive, but to be honest i was in such a state of nervous exhilaration during the taping it's all like a dream to me now. leslie. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Sinister: Re: Belle & Sebastian Set List Author: Andrew Dean at X-MAIL Date: 9/18/97 4:41 PM >Following is the set list from the PBS tapings in New York >for the B&S Web page... >Leslie. ... >a century of Elvis ... thanks for that leslie. but are you sure this was '...elvis' and not '...fakers'? i can't see them doing '...elvis' live as there's too much to remember... cheers andy web page update any day now... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970918130258.0069dd5c@hecky.acns.nwu.edu> but so far I'm impressed by the volume of postings. I was lucky enough to catch B&S at their last show in New York, and they were incredibly wonderful live performers (though I heard from friends that they didn't sound nearly as good at the W 54th sessions or the CMJ show). Presently I am on the hunt for the sundry EPs that are circulating, though my search has been fruitless thus far. I do have _If You're Feeling Sinister_, though, and I adore it. One final note...I would love to obtain a dupe of _Tigermilk_, if anyone's able and willing to provide one. If so, please email me directly. Thanks! --Amanda ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnj at xxx.com Thu Sep 18 20:50:30 1997 From: johnj at xxx.com (J Jackson) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:50:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the first Felt single Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970918205030.006927a8@mail.u-net.com> That would be 'Index' wouldn't it, it's friggin awful. it's just Lawrence and a guitar I seem to remember. JJ ________________ Where's my Cha Cha my Chicken my Puddin' Pie where has she gone? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Sep 18 21:36:58 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:36:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the first Felt single References: <3.0.2.32.19970918205030.006927a8@mail.u-net.com> Message-ID: <342190E9.C61FA36B@mail.zynet.co.uk> J Jackson wrote: > That would be 'Index' wouldn't it, it's friggin > awful. it's just > Lawrence and a guitar I seem to remember. yeah just lawrence, a geetar and a cheap little tape recorder in his front room. talk about Punk Rock!! it's a great artefact. not a great SONG, but certainly a great protest record, just like Back In Denim was. um, it's certainly difficult to hear the later Felt through index but it still stands as a great example of DIY culture, and it pissed off a lot of people so that makes it cool in my eyes and ears, and anyway, McCulloch made it single of the week all those years ago, and he's the bloke who ended a review of 'Stop that Girl' with the words 'I think Vic Godard is God'. SO who's to argue? Belle & Sebastian content: uh, they mention Felt in the Sinister sleeve story. And i just bet they like Vic too... the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sgold06 at xxx.edu Thu Sep 18 22:23:35 1997 From: sgold06 at xxx.edu (Steve Goldman) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: Atlanta Message-ID: Has anyone heard if B&S are coming to Atlanta? I haven't heard word yet, but I saw the note on the official homepage that they were trying... --Steven *************************************************************************** Steven Goldman * * Box 22688 * Fun-lover, pop freak, sometimes * Emory University * DJ, and aspiring actor/writer/director * Atlanta, GA 30322 * * (404) 251-8310 * "Faith manages." * sgold06 at emory.edu * --Delenn, "Babylon 5" * WWW: http://tswww.cc.emory.edu/~sgold06 * *************************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Thu Sep 18 22:44:56 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:44:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Atlanta References: Message-ID: <3421A0D8.39805E91@virgin.net> Steve Goldman wrote: > > Has anyone heard if B&S are coming to Atlanta? I haven't heard word > yet, > but I saw the note on the official homepage that they were trying... > > --Steven They failed this time. Because of the trouble with The Enclave collapsing it was cancelled. They will try to get it in next time though and I also hear that they'll be aiming for some west coast places too. Don't get your hope up too soon though as this won't be untill next year at the soonest, and it looks more like summer next year at that. Still pencilled in some gigs in Manchester (UK) 'round xmas time. That's it on the live front. David Still damn envious of anyone managing to go to Spain this weekend. ***************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ***************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mkorchia at xxx.fr Fri Sep 19 00:02:57 1997 From: mkorchia at xxx.fr (Michaël Korchia) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:02:57 +0200 Subject: Sinister: felt things References: <199709180252.DAA18682@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> <3420CE1C.D24D9E24@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3421B321.2406@club-internet.fr> References: Duke of harringay wrote: > > plaird wrote: > > > By the way, if anyone wants tapes of any Felt > > stuff you could drop me a > > line. I've got just about everything bar the > > first single (which probably > > came out when I was about 10 yrs old!). > > and if anyone wants a tape of 'Index' then i have > a copy... only for the die-hard obsessives i > suspect, as it's, um, 'abrasive' :-) It came out > when i was 13. > Oliver, from Marsh Marigold, paid 60 pounds for a copy last july. Hmmmm... there is nothing on the b-side, am i wrong? And yes, i prefer the first version of 'the state...', because the electric guitar playing arpeggio sounds like felt... -- Michael Korchia mkorchia at club-internet.fr Watoo Watoo Homepage : http://www.mygale.org/05/watoo/ Mumbly Homepage : http://www.mygale.org/00/aurore/emumbly.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MWaggner at xxx.com Fri Sep 19 01:27:00 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: was elvis at the taping? Message-ID: <970918202528_-1800714521@emout16.mail.aol.com> Andrew Dean wrote: thanks for that leslie. but are you sure this was '...elvis' and not '...fakers'? i can't see them doing '...elvis' live as there's too much to remember... It was indeed "..elvis" -- He read the words from a notebook and I didn't hear much of it due to sitting directly behind Stevie's amp. On another recent topic: I am the parent at our house (sigh). My son and I first heard "Sinister" at the same time and both loved it. I probably bought it first--having more disposable income-- but we each own everything that has come out thus far (except the fabled Tigermilk of course -- altho' I believe he has arranged to get a tape). He was kind enough to bring me to the PBS taping, (which was probably smart of him because who else would have been able to get him excused from school for it). Surprisingly, while we might disagree from time to time, we rarely hate each other's musical tastes, which has been pretty nice all in all -- music has given us something to do together as he has grown up. I have to say I'd rather go to shows with him than with most of my friends, who rarely want to go anyway. He started out being a captive to my taste, and then began contributing to mine as he started listening seriously and needed me along to get into shows. Now he can go on his own. I usually decline his invitations to come along as the crowds are much younger than I, and I often feel out of place. That's one wonderful thing about B&S: the music transcends age. Everyone can love it because it is beautiful and universal. Anyhow, this parent loves Belle & Sebastian and will now pretty much go back to lurking. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Fri Sep 19 07:57:49 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:57:49 -0700 Subject: Sinister: milk o' the tiger Message-ID: <3422226C.6770@earthlink.net> alright. here's the deal. my dad is one of those computer guru types who has all this stuff that i know nothing about. so he informs me that he has a "cd burner" that can record onto a cd. fancy that. he said he could hook it up to something or other and i could record vinyl or anything i want onto a blank cd. so here's my offer. blank cds cost about 10-12 us dollars a piece (so he says)...if anyone wants to record me a very good quality copy of tigermilk, from the original, not a dub of a dub, and mail it to me so i can get me a copy on cd, then in return i will record you a copy onto cd as well at no charge and then mail it back to you at my expense. all you would pay is price of the blank tape and a stamp to get it to me. (maxell XL2). if anyone would like to take me up on this, please let me know. on another note...i received "dog on wheels" today (thanks to secretsounds)...i love it. it is better all around than the lazy line painter one. i've listened to it already about 10 times. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From WilliamsR10 at xxx.uk Fri Sep 19 09:27:34 1997 From: WilliamsR10 at xxx.uk (Rhys Williams) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:27:34 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: was elvis at the taping? In-Reply-To: <970918202528_-1800714521@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <199D8231816@NPRDCF1S.CF.AC.UK> > Now he can go on his own. I usually decline his invitations to come > along as the crowds are much younger than I, and I often feel out of place. > That's one wonderful thing about B&S: the music transcends age. Everyone > can love it because it is beautiful and universal. > I've been feeling rather old at concerts for quite a while and have long since given up jumping about with 15-year olds at the front. I try to retain my dignity (and cool!) by nodding appreciatively at the back, as befits a 30-year old with excellent taste in music. I saw Belle and Sebastian play the Assembly Rooms in Edinburgh earlier this year and the first thing that struck me was the amount of late-twenties and 30-somethings who were there. I wouldn't go so far as saying that the average of the band was lower than the average age of the crowd, but it _was_ a nice change! 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Fri Sep 19 14:20:34 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:20:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: misc stuff Message-ID: <0039600000141020000002L002*@MHS> century of elvis: i'm surprised they did '...elvis' instead of '...fakers' at the pbs taping. actually, i'm just jealous, i doubt they'd ever do it again. was elvis at the gigs?: elvis couldn't have been at the gigs - he'd've been in quarantine... old people at the gigs: and did anyone else noticed the young boy that was at sunday's gig? i think i saw him at one of the scottish gigs as well so i'm wondering if he's some relation of one of the band members. will have to ask him next time... pbs broadcast: the bloke asking about this seemed to be confused. the pbs taping was done specially for the tv in a studio(?) and was different from the two concerts. that said, there was a bloke with a video recorder upstairs at the sunday gig so i guess that got taped as well. oh, bloke in comic shop on monday after spotting my badge: "is that your dog?". what do you say? do you stand there for 10 minutes explaining belle and sebastian and dog on wheels or what? radcliffe: the thing i missed about radcliffe when he moved to mornings was the lack of guests and i think the guests helped fill the program up whereas mark and lard on their own struggle. add to that the playlist restrictions and the lack of swearing and stuff and the morning shows were, and i quote, 'a shed'. oh, peel played some delgados last night, said there was some sort of delgados sessions lp coming out. which is nice. i'll stop now. andy oh, and katrina, 'scotchtober fest' was a ploy by principal skinner to tempt bart simpson into committing an expellable offence. it seemed to entail groundskeeper willy dancing in a kilt on a barrel with a large glass in each hand. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Fri Sep 19 14:11:41 1997 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:11:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Oxford Zodaic Review from ages ago !!! Message-ID: <199709191311.OAA06135@brookes.ac.uk> Dear all, after a long wait, Nightshift (the local gig guide magazine here in Oxford) have reviewed the B&S gig. This review didn't appear in the hard copy (i.e. the paper copy), as B&S objected to them using a photo, and also the review was too long !! The actual website is, for those who want to see it in it's entirety (it's a good site): http://www.oxlink.co.uk/nightshift/sept97/live_5.html BELLE & SEBASTIAN The Zodiac Question: What's got sixteen legs, eight heads and the voice of an angel; rarely appears in public but when it does causes panic and desperation of biblical proportions? The answer, of course, is Belle & Sebastian, an unassuming, publicity-shy pop group from Glasgow who have, in the space of two short years and two discreetly classic albums, achieved legendary status among the ranks of the country's gentle-hearted romantics and fey, dysfunctional outcasts. The scenes outside the Zodiac beggared belief. Two hundred punters from out of town queuing for an hour to get in because they'd all booked their tickets by phone and had to endure the credit card processing rigmarole. Their's is the panic - will they get inside before the band come on? The desperation is on the faces of another two hundred people who, with no chance of getting in, still queue up, hoping for a miracle. And miracles can happen. How else do you explain the unheralded triumph of pop beauty over the ugly lad zeitgeist? The world needs Belle & Sebastian even if they don't seem to need the world. On the face of it it's all so unimposing. One pretty, late twenty-something boy with an acoustic guitar surrounded by a ramshackle troupe of musicians that include a cellist and a trumpeter as well as two keyboardists mounted on a platform in the middle of the hall because there's no more room on stage. The music is so gentle it could evaporate in a club setting like this (they're more accustomed to playing in libraries and cafes) but Stuart Murdoch's gentle, folky voice holds the audience in something approaching rapture. He sings tender songs for pale, skinny people who treat him with genuine reverence. It hardly matters that Belle & Sebastian refuse to play a `greatest hits' set. Aside from a couple of new songs, as yet unreleased, everyone knows all the obscure stuff anyway. So much so that when Stuart messes up the beginning of `State I Am In' the crowd are singing the words for him. And this is no `Wonderwall' anthem; instead it's a fragile lullaby with a convoluted story of confusion and angst in the mould of Nick Drake or Felt and perhaps the most beautiful song written since `Northern Sky'. Belle & Sebastian's influences are many and varied and crop up throughout their set, from Love to Simon & Garfunkel to The Smiths. Yes, it's folk-pop but it's much much more. New single, `Lazy Line Painter Jane' is the one great song that The Beautiful South never wrote, and if the comparison makes you balk, don't let it, it's more the way Stuart's voice contrasts with that of guest singer, Monica Queen, from Thrum, while its rising crescendo of 60s organ chime takes it closer to the more melodic side of the Velvet Underground. At the opposite end of the scale there is the jazzy instrumental of `Tigermilk' before cellist/tambourinist Isobelle takes over vocal duties for the country-tinged `It's Wicked Not To Care', perhaps the only song ever to feature a glockenspiel solo. The way that every softly played, carefully crafted song is greeted by rapturous applause that's twice the volume of the music is bizarre but they seem neither fazed by such adulation nor do they play up to it. They're happy to potter about, tuning up or swapping instruments as if in a bedroom rehearsal, before sheepishly announcing `Another new one'. There may well be many out there who will see Belle & Sebastian as the start of the rebirth of wimp-pop while others might dismiss them as an anomalous throw-back to 60s folk whimsy. These people have no souls. So blinded by a haze of ugliness (did anyone else feel physically sick at the sight of John Power on the front cover of Melody Maker last month?) that they fail to see real beauty when it blooms. What a rosebud is to a garden, so Belle & Sebastian are to pop music. Wake up and smell the blossom. Dale Kattack There is a Belle & Sebastian mailing list. To subscribe, send a message to: majordomo at majordomo.net with the text 'subscribe sinister' in the body of the message. So there you go, if you do get to this stage of this mail, I hope you enjoyed reading it. Ben. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From SKG at xxx.uk Fri Sep 19 16:54:12 1997 From: SKG at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:54:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Compo Message-ID: Ink Polaroids Compo entry; (OK it's probably rubbish, but it's the best I could come up with...) "This one was taken in one of the local clubs. That's me standing on the stage, in the white shirt. Yeah, I know my haircut back then was pretty awful, but we all make mistakes. Anyway, there was a hypnotist performing in the club that night, and I'd had a few drinks, so I thought I'd volunteer for a laugh. And because I thought it would impress some girl I was interested in at the time. Like I said, I'd had a few drinks... The bloke doing it did say he couldn't have anyone onstage who'd been drinking, but there's no way anyone would go up there sober, is there? "The reason I'm dressed like that is because every time he stamped his foot, I had to run over to a bag and put another tie on. I think I had about ten on by the end. I wasn't really hypnotised or anything, but it was good fun so I played along. I guess everyone must be doing the same at these things. I know it doesn't look like it, but I was supposed to be dancing when this was taken. That's what the umbrella was for, he was playing "Singing In The Rain" and I got up and danced. It's a good job my mate didn't take this photo ten seconds later, because while I was doing it I fell off the stage. Next morning I had this huge bruise on my left arm. So much for impressing women. "That one sitting down behind me on the stage, in the red dress, was a really good laugh actually, I was chatting to her for a bit while the hypnotist was getting things sorted out. She seemed quite nervous, she'd never done anything like this before. I've no idea what she's doing there, I didn't notice that at the time. The bloke next to her seems to be enjoying it though!" Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Fri Sep 19 17:14:29 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:14:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: reactions to badges References: <0039600000141020000002L002*@MHS> Message-ID: <3422A4E5.9E66BA2F@mail.zynet.co.uk> Andrew Dean wrote: > oh, bloke in comic shop on monday after spotting > my badge: > "is that your dog?". what do you say? do you > stand there for > 10 minutes explaining belle and sebastian and > dog on wheels > or what? my badge stories: the Patch one; Clare in my classroom just before the end of the summer, i'm wearing my patch badge and she goes 'nice badge, what's it all about?' and i tell her the story of how it's a belle and sebastian badge (she knew about them, all my students knew about them... i wouldn't shut up about them) and how this dog is called Patch and this is the one that the actual owner of Patch sent to me. Clare says 'do you have any spares?' and i say oh dear i just mailed my spare to Madame Cholet in America. Mentioning people you know in the americas is always a good way to impress the kids :-) And then as luck would have it Jon sent me another spare in the mail just a few days later so i gave it to Clare, which is how she came to have a Patch badge. the enamel one (pt1): in the Boston tea Party coffee shop, ordering a latte and a flapjack and the guy is looking at my jacket intently and points to my badge and goes 'wasn't that a tv show!?' and i say yeah, so he goes 'i remember that!!' dead happy. So i say now it's a Pop Group of the highest calibre, and he goes 'i'll have to look out for them then!' i go, you'd be making a good move and then pay for my latte and flapjack. the enamel one (pt2): Becky in my classroom just after we have come back, and i'm wearing one of my enamel badges on my jacket lapel and she goes 'nice badge, can i have one?' I say maybe, and she says 'Brown is the in colour' and i go 'belle & sebastian are a band' and she goes can you do me a tape then too?' and i go okay. Becky now wears her Belle & Sebastian badge in the knowledge that brown is the fashionable colour and that belle & sebastian are a wonderful Pop group. Several other students have now harassed me for badges, and David says Thank You because they can sell more. ON which matter, David, if you've read this far, um, did you mail those badges, and did you mail that second tape??? i've still not got anything and i'm sad. (except i'm not because i got nice mail today from nice people and i'm playing 'Before Hollywood' and feeling all.... oooh, you know.) the dukeTangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From muellerj at xxx.edu Fri Sep 19 17:37:17 1997 From: muellerj at xxx.edu (Telepathic Traffic) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:37:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: picture perfect In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This weekend (proboly tommorrow, saturday) all the B&S photos I took should be on my homepage; http.//ucsub.colorado.edu/~muellerj/Home.html I've never had a homaepage, and computers don't like me...so the site an unconstructed mess...but at least wanted to have to photos up for everybody to enjoy. jm *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& & another piece of drama mind: * *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& "peanut butter toast and american bandstand teach me how to cook teach me how to dance" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From KELSO at xxx.com Fri Sep 19 18:57:21 1997 From: KELSO at xxx.com (Kelso) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:57:21 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Compo Message-ID: Okay, well here's my stab at the ink polaroids contest....I would love those posters...sigh: Polaroid I. Look, these are a year and a half old already! Ben and I are in a record shop. We?re flipping through the seven inches. He?s smiling; Ben is always smiling. That's part of his dashing character. He?s pointing out a new single from some Detroit space rock band. He looks fine and slim in his orange Spiny Anteaters t-shirt. He has never ever worn a collared shirt in my presence. I am wearing my brown corderoy jacket. I am not smiling, but I am not scowling either. I guess best put would be to say that I look somewhat melancholy, reflective, preoccupied. I remember that I was rather distracted and though I am holding it, I am not really aware of the Tullycraft single I?ve picked up. II. Here we are standing on the street in front of Ben?s car. It is a silly little white sports coupe. It is nitetime and St. Mark?s Place is a charming blur of activity and lights in the background. Speaking of lights, the streetlamp overhead is terribly bright and has all but washed out Ben?s face, but I know that he was still smiling. Ben is always smiling. He has a brown sack full of new records under one arm; my hand is in his left hand. As for me, my bleachy bangs are all in my face. I guess I will probably never see my hair?s natural colour again. If you look close, you can see tears coming up in my eyes. III. Oh dear, Ben and I are kissing! This is not a positive sign, though. We are in his car now. This is when we broke up for good. Just prior to the kiss I asked him why we were spending so many months pretending to be in love, when it was obvious that he would be happier to just be best friends. I remember exactly what he said, ?I?m ashamed because I should be in love with you, but being in love just isn?t important to me.? Then we broke up, but had one last kiss for the road, to prove we would stay on as best friends. If you look really close at this polaroid, you can see tears streaking my cheeks. there you go, sorry to have bored any of you--- Kelso Jacks NYC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Sat Sep 20 00:29:54 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:29:54 -0700 Subject: Sinister: sorry Message-ID: <34230AF2.2195@earthlink.net> hey. i think there's been sort of a misunderstanding. when i said i was gonna make me and whoever sent it to me a cd of tigermilk, i didn't mean i was available for more than those two copies. i don't want to get into the whole bootlegging thing because a)it's illegal and b)it wouldn't be very nice to b & s. i see nothing wrong with making a couple. it's like making a dub, except on a flat disc instead of tape. and i did it on a first come basis, and the guy that responded first is who i'm doing it with. so everyone can stop responding now. i've already set it up. on another note...if you really want a copy on cd, i know of at least two guys in my town who put things on cd for a price. one owns a record store and charges thirteen bucks. the other owns a studio and charges thirty bucks. i'm not saying for everyone to write me and ask me to take copies to these guys, i'm saying check around your own town. believe me, my town is not big (south georgia), so if there are two in my town, there's gotta be some everywhere. just check around. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From pym0491b at xxx.uk Fri Sep 19 20:58:59 1997 From: pym0491b at xxx.uk (terry undewear) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:58:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: badges Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970919195859.006aa524@mail.rmplc.co.uk> I have worn my enamel badge on my school uniform since school started and (no doubt the creator was aware of this) they have exactly the same shape and appearance as the badges that school prefects or monitors wear. On a daily basis people come up to me and say 'are you like head boy or something?' and then they actually look and go 'what the fuck does that mean?' It's very amusing. I tell them that I'm in the special division of the school council which deals with all matters regarding old tv shows and splendid pop bands. Maybe some of them believe me... Two people have actually at least feigned recognition of the band. Who said private skool wasn't cool? love will ps say hi to the nation of will at www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/7509 'i know what people say, im a heartbreaker, thats just my way.' ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a-bergman at xxx.edu Fri Sep 19 23:01:28 1997 From: a-bergman at xxx.edu (Amanda Bergman) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:01:28 -0500 Subject: Sinister: thanks to all who responded... Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970919170128.006a8524@hecky.acns.nwu.edu> to my inquiry about a _Tigermilk_ dupe. It was really quite refreshing to have so many people express their interest in helping me so quickly. But then, we're all B&S fans (a rather civilized group, I should think) so I suppose it all makes perfect sense. And now I can turn my attention to procuring my own copies of those EPs that have thus far eluded me (even though I've heard that they pale in comparison to _If You're Feeling Sinister_). Again, thank you. Take care, Amanda ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tysonm at xxx.edu Fri Sep 19 23:23:42 1997 From: tysonm at xxx.edu (Tyson McCreary) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: re: badges In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970919195859.006aa524@mail.rmplc.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, terry undewear wrote: > Two people have actually at least feigned recognition of the band. Who said private skool wasn't cool? No, no, you must be the only one in private school not feigning hipness. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeepster.uk at xxx.net Fri Sep 19 23:56:29 1997 From: jeepster.uk at xxx.net (Jeepster Recordings Ltd) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:56:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Bootlegging Tigermilk Message-ID: <3423031D.2E09B587@virgin.net> > alright. here's the deal. > my dad is one of those computer guru types who has all this stuff that > i know nothing about. so he informs me that he has a "cd burner" > that can record onto a cd. fancy that.he said he could hook it up to > something or other and i could record vinyl or anything i want onto a > blank cd. > so here's my offer. blank cds cost about 10-12 us dollars a piece (so > he says)...if anyone wants to record me a very good quality copy of > tigermilk, from the original, not a dub of a dub, and mail it to me so > i can get me a copy on cd, then in return i will record you a copy > onto cd as well at no charge and then mail it back to you at my > expense. all you would pay is price of the blank tape and a stamp to > get it to me. > (maxell XL2). > if anyone would like to take me up on this, please let me know. > -brad superbob wrote: > hey. i think there's been sort of a misunderstanding. when i said i > was gonna make me and whoever sent it to me a cd of tigermilk, i > didn't mean i was available for more than those two copies. i don't > want to get into the whole bootlegging thing because a)it's illegal > and b)it wouldn't be very nice to b & s. i see nothing wrong with > making a couple. it's like making a dub, except on a flat disc instead > of tape. > and i did it on a first come basis, and the guy that responded first > is who i'm doing it with. so everyone can stop responding now. i've > already set it up. > on another note...if you really want a copy on cd, i know of at least > two guys in my town who put things on cd for a price. one owns a > record store and charges thirteen bucks. the other owns a studio and > charges thirty bucks. i'm not saying for everyone to write me and ask > me to take copies to these guys, i'm saying check around your own > town. believe me, my town is not big (south georgia), so if there are > two in my town, there's gotta be some everywhere. > just check around. > > -brad Or rather, if you'd prefer not to be taken to court, don't. Jeepster have absolutely no reservations about taking legal action against anyone who illegally copies any Belle and Sebastian recordings and makes them available for sale. Please be aware of this, it is not meant to threaten, but such laws were created for a reason - to protect the bands interests. We are already looking into a person selling bootlegged "Tigermilk" CD-R's from Europe, yes, we are serious. "Tigermilk" WILL be re-released at some stage. Even though it will not have the same artwork, the songs will be the same, and it will be made available on other formats as well as LP. This may not happen for some time, however, they play Barcelona this weekend, there is a new EP released next month, the possibility of another EP being released before the end of the year, a new LP next January/February, a live date in Paris in November, live dates in Manchester in December, Germany and the West Coast and maybe even the East Coast of the US next spring, and then even more new recordings after that. Why dwell on the past while this band are one of the most prolific acts of our time? Wait until "Tigermilk" is re-released, and spend your time (and hard-earned money) in the meantime on their new recordings and live extravaganzas. The risk really isn't worth it. Katrina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MLONGAPH at xxx.NET Sat Sep 20 08:57:40 1997 From: MLONGAPH at xxx.NET (Mike Longaphie) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:57:40 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Dog On Wheels Message-ID: <342381F4.2DDB@ECHO-ON.NET> Did anyone else notice that the middle break in "Dog On Wheels" sounds sneakingly famillar to a Love song? I think it may be "A House Is Not A Motel", but I'm not quite sure. Of course it's still a great song, so who cares. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com Sat Sep 20 10:16:31 1997 From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 05:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Enclave belly up... Message-ID: <970920051631_-297104518@emout07.mail.aol.com> It's no wonder Enclave went under... "If You're Feeling Sinister" has only sold 9,000 copies... Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Sat Sep 20 13:21:41 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:21:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: another site update Message-ID: <3423BFD4.B879955B@virgin.net> I've just completed the first stage of a site map covering every site. Currently I've only listed 3 out of 5 sites and I know some of these links are already out of date or incorrect. But I'd be grateful if you could put it through it's paces and stuff. It is frames based and uses javascript, so please make sure your browser is up to scratch, (update to Netscape 4 if need be as it's by the best browser out there). The page is located at http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/sitemapforallsites.htm It's currently only mentioned on the drop menu on the front page of the site as I'm not going to put it everywhere 'til it's up to date. Thanks David Kitchen PS: If Andy Dean, Duke of Haringey and Chris Hall could all mail me up to date lists of their page addresses and descriptions plus what you want it called on the menu I'd be grateful. Actually just mail me anyway to let me know what you think of it. I'll get around to using your own backgrounds if that's all right with you, so that each menu can merge with the site that people browse! -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ******************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 403 bytes Desc: Card for David & Katrina URL: From d.kitchen at xxx.net Fri Sep 19 23:41:00 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:41:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sorry References: <34230AF2.2195@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3422FF7C.56F62DA1@virgin.net> > alright. here's the deal. > my dad is one of those computer guru types who has all this stuff that > i know nothing about. so he informs me that he has a "cd burner" that > can record onto a cd. fancy that.he said he could hook it up to > > something or other and i could record vinyl or anything i want onto a > blank cd. > so here's my offer. blank cds cost about 10-12 us dollars a piece (so > he says)...if anyone wants to record me a very good quality copy of > tigermilk, from the original, not a dub of a dub, and mail it to me so > i can get me a copy on cd, then in return i will record you a copy > onto cd > as well at no charge and then mail it back to you at my expense. all > > you would pay is price of the blank tape and a stamp to get it to me. > (maxell XL2). > if anyone would like to take me up on this, please let me know. > -brad superbob wrote: > > hey. i think there's been sort of a misunderstanding. when i said i > was gonna make me and whoever sent it to me a cd of tigermilk, i > didn't mean i was available for more than those two copies. i don't > want to get into the whole bootlegging thing because a)it's illegal > and b)it wouldn't be very nice to b & s. i see nothing wrong with > making a couple. it's like making a dub, except on a flat disc instead > of tape. > and i did it on a first come basis, and the guy that responded first > is who i'm doing it with. so everyone can stop responding now. i've > already set it up. > on another note...if you really want a copy on cd, i know of at least > two guys in my town who put things on cd for a price. one owns a > record store and charges thirteen bucks. the other owns a studio and > charges thirty bucks. i'm not saying for everyone to write me and ask > me to take copies to these guys, i'm saying check around your own > town. believe me, my town is not big (south georgia), so if there are > two in my town, there's gotta be some everywhere. > just check around. > > -brad Or rather, if you'd prefer not to be taken to court, don't. Jeepster have absolutely no reservations about taking legal action against anyone who illegally copies any Belle and Sebastian recordings and makes them available for sale. Please be aware of this, it is not meant to threaten, but such laws were created for a reason - to protect the bands interests. We are already looking into a person selling bootlegged "Tigermilk" CD-R's from Europe, yes, we are serious. "Tigermilk" WILL be re-released at some stage. Even though it will not have the same artwork, the songs will be the same, and it will be made available on other formats as well as LP. This may not happen for some time, however, they play Barcelona this weekend, there is a new EP released next month, the possibility of another EP being released before the end of the year, a new LP next January/February, a live date in Paris in November, live dates in Manchester in December, Germany and the West Coast and maybe even the East Coast of the US next spring, and then even more new recordings after that. Why dwell on the past while this band are one of the most prolific acts of our time? Wait until "Tigermilk" is re-released, and spend your time (and hard-earned money) in the meantime on their new recordings and live extravaganzas. The risk really isn't worth it. Katrina. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 403 bytes Desc: Card for David & Katrina URL: From vjakushe at xxx. Sat Sep 20 16:11:57 1997 From: vjakushe at xxx. (vjakushe at xxx.) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 18:11:57 +0300 Subject: Sinister: where can i get Tigermilk problem Message-ID: dear sinister friends, i'd love to know from where i can get this Tigermilk CD (either from UK or USA doesn't matter) or at least a tape copy of it. i downloaded these two songs from B&S Web page and they are darn good, just as these songs from _if you are feeling..._ ...you know how. sinister. as i know it's on Electric Honey label but i do not have their address. so, i have a Tigermilk feber now. SOS. i thank you every human soul who'll send me info on it (i'm not on your list). cheers from Finland (where i live) and from Russia (where i come from and to where i possibly come back). valeri ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Sun Sep 21 19:18:56 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:18:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: more updates! Message-ID: <34256510.445BA8A2@virgin.net> nearly finished the "site map for all sites", five sites are now on there. if you do a site and want to be included please send me the details (urls, descriptions of each page, and how you want it to appear on the menu). Try it and see what you think, it's a hell of a lot better than clicking away like mad on your bookmarks all the time. Also added more lyrics, just finished Dog On Wheels and Lazy Line Painter Jane. Working on Sinister and then I'll get the 3..6..9 done. Currently doing the Frequently asked questions page, a basic version should appear soon, if you want something answered or think something should be on it, mail us and let us know, because it'll appear on the FAQ you'll remain anon so won't have to worry about feeling silly if it could be perceived as an obvious question. Anyone see them in Spain last night? What did they play? How good were they, apparently the US shows were THE best gigs so far so I'm very interested to find out how Barcelona went. That's it, love David Kitchen :) PS: Soozy, could you mail me so that I can add links to your site and the piccies, thanks. -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Mon Sep 22 04:36:30 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:36:30 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S Message-ID: <01BCC6E7.30F8FBA0@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Hey check out Matt's updated Shinkansen website: http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~shink/news.htm#bs What he says about B&S is quite amusing. (He probably hasn't heard Tigermilk yet. Perhaps, he should buy one of those European bootlegs. How much are they going for anyhow?) Matt N. PS I think it's appalling that you folks from Jeepster don't complain about copies of Tigermilk going for 300 pounds, but threaten legal action against a CD made from a CASSETTE DUB. That riddiculous, especially considering you posted a few weeks ago to the indie-list saying that there was "little or no chance" of Tigermilk ever getting reissued. And no, I'm not jealous of you super-cool cats who personally know the band and have autographed copies of Tigermilk because I'm in perfect bliss with my cheap "nth generation" cassette. (Actually it's a first generation cassette but I'd be content if it was nth generation.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Mon Sep 22 12:04:03 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 04:04:03 -0700 Subject: Sinister: compo Message-ID: <342650A2.3689@earthlink.net> you can't really see the tv that well in this one, but it's a re-run of "the facts of life" so it doesn't matter anyway. that's james over on the couch. it's only my third day of my first year at college and i saw him walking round with a house of love shirt on, so i introduced myself. turned out he was english. that cd he's holding is "ecstasy and wine" by my bloody valentine. he told me it existed and i didn't know...i was a recent convertee. we were about to walk out to some record store where david j was performing an in-store before one of his shows. we had only found out about it minutes earlier. we were both new to the town and didn't know where to find out such info. we couldn't get in the show. sold out. small club. but when we went our separate ways, he sold me his copy of "ecstasy and wine" cause he said he could get another one. i listened to it every day for a month. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From KATIE3 at xxx.uk Mon Sep 22 11:45:15 1997 From: KATIE3 at xxx.uk (Katie Kinnear) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:45:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: B&S on XFM Message-ID: <2732C9752C7@bg5.mdx.ac.uk> Hello, A Century of Fakers was on the singles review on XFM (alternative radio station in London) last night and got Tim Wheeler's & Steve Sutherland's (NME editor) votes as their favourite. But who was that presenter?? He said several times, that he was really looking forward to B&S's first album which should have some really good songs on it. DOH! Katie (p.s. hello to the e-poppers!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnny_staccato at xxx.com Mon Sep 22 19:09:51 1997 From: johnny_staccato at xxx.com (Johnny Staccato) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:09:51 PDT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <19970922180951.10916.qmail@hotmail.com> david please take me off the belle and sebastain mailing list many thanks johnny staccato ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Mon Sep 22 22:14:24 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:14:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S References: <01BCC6E7.30F8FBA0@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Message-ID: <3426DFB0.3D20ACCE@virgin.net> Matthew A. Neimark wrote: > I think it's appalling that you folks from Jeepster don't complain > about copies of Tigermilk going for 300 pounds, but threaten legal > action against a CD made from a CASSETTE DUB. That ridiculous, > especially considering you posted a few weeks ago to the indie-list > saying that there was "little or no chance" of Tigermilk ever getting > reissued. > > And no, I'm not jealous of you super-cool cats who personally know the > band and have autographed copies of Tigermilk because I'm in perfect > bliss with my cheap "nth generation" cassette. (Actually it's a first > generation cassette but I'd be content if it was nth generation.) It's not that Jeepster don't want people to have copies and I think that the problem is they sound too stern in e-mail. I think everyone should own a copy of Tigermilk and I support home taping as long as it doesn't affect the band's income or stability (in this case it doesn't), at the same time I see where Jeepster are coming from. They are one of a lot of people who have offered Belle and Sebastian the chance to re-release Tigermilk only to be rejected. Belle and Sebastian continuously express an interest in NOT releasing Tigermilk again in the UK and only a mild interest in the US option. As such Jeepster probably feel they have to protect the bands interests and make sure that no pro quality bootleg starts circulating. Hence the crackdown on a poss' CD copy. Yeah it seems silly, but would you like to buy a copy of Tigermilk and discover that it's a bootleg, 'cause I know for a fact that if someone went to the effort of producing a bootleg they'd try and pass it of as real. The argument that we all know it's LP only and wouldn't fall for it doesn't hold either, we still get a few letters asking where people can get the CD Tigermilk, we even have people asking for free promo CD's of it! Stopping bootlegging is not from any vindictiveness, they are trying to protect both the band and you. Tape dubs, fine. Can't be stopped and can't be helped, besides everyone should own a copy of Tigermilk. But CD dubs, no thanks, too dangerous. Let's not be ripped off and let's not offend a band we love so much. David (not Jeepster) - trying very hard to correct a lack of eloquence. -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Mon Sep 22 22:53:23 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:53:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: more updates, official this time! Message-ID: <3426E8D3.1BBF7700@virgin.net> no sooner had I created that massive navigation thing and then the official site updated itself! Havn't yet updated my links, I won't get a chance 'till the weekend now. But go have a look at the official site. Stuart David has written a new form of shorter fiction "little ink movies". He's made a book of them too. David -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From geoff.burgerman4 at xxx.net Mon Sep 22 23:37:26 1997 From: geoff.burgerman4 at xxx.net (.j 0n) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:37:26 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Chords and things Message-ID: <199709222352.AAA20325@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> hello all, i tired to work out ''the state that i am in'' today. ''i was surprised i was happy for a day in 1975'' verse ; G / C / G / C / D / C ( D/C again in some verses) chorus ; G / Bm / ? (prob smth like Em ..hm or C ..not too sure)/ D end on ; C / G / D so um.. has anyone else got any ideas, corrections, amendments or chords to other b+s songs? im not on the list any more so i would appreciate a personal reply. thanks a lot, bye-bye jon (of glasto poem fame) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Espstars at xxx.com Tue Sep 23 01:32:29 1997 From: Espstars at xxx.com (Espstars at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: american label? Message-ID: <970922202738_-899904717@emout12.mail.aol.com> is there any update on the status of b&s's american label situation. with the enclave now kaput there have been several rumours floating about, but nothing confirmed. anyone on here know anything? thanks mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Tue Sep 23 07:30:35 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:30:35 -0700 Subject: Sinister: tigermilk (again) Message-ID: <3427620A.3791@earthlink.net> alright. i'm gonna try this again in a less upsetting way to record companies. hey. my name is brad. does anyone out there feel kind enough to dub me a copy of tigermilk on cassette. i would really like to hear it. if you feel kind enough to do it, i would gladly dub something in exchange or send you the blank tape or whatever you prefer. you can mail me personally. thank you. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From muellerj at xxx.edu Tue Sep 23 06:37:46 1997 From: muellerj at xxx.edu (Telepathic Traffic) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:37:46 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: picture perfect In-Reply-To: <3426E8D3.1BBF7700@virgin.net> Message-ID: just curious if anyone got to check out the pictures I posted They are most definately up now at: http.//ucsub.colorado.edu/~muellerj/bs.html jm *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& & another piece of drama mind: * *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& "peanut butter toast and american bandstand teach me how to cook teach me how to dance" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Sep 23 12:03:19 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:03:19 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Barcelona gig review Message-ID: <3427A1F7.251F58DC@colon.net.> Hello everybody, Here's a very rough and ready review of our heroes in Barcelona: ARE BELLE AND SEBASTIAN NECESSARY ON A BICYCLE? The beautiful old square was packed to the rafters, except there weren't any rafters because it was an open air concert. People were precariously perched on the gargoyles instead. These gargoyles were apparently used in the Middle Ages to pour boiling oil on unruly Jethro Tull fans. In spite of being surrounded by other pop attractions, including Primal Scream, people seemed only too happy to stand around packed like sailors in a leaking submarine to see Belle and Sebastian strut their funky stuff. They leapt straight into "Tigermilk" at which point we buggered off for a drink. Pop salvation is one thing, dehydration is another. When we got back it was obvious they were getting a bit shirty due to malfunctioning monitors and the egg-bound sound of some of the rented instruments. The monitor man, bless him, was a distant cousin of Manuel from Fawlty Towers. Say no more. It all went by so fast I can't really remember the set list, most of which I didn't recognise anyway. They did "Dylan in the Movies", which has always been one of my least favourite songs because it reminds me of...well, Dylan in the movies, namely the terrible film....whoops, can't find my Dylanology books...I think it's called "Streets of Fire" or something equally ludicrous. But I digress. The song is much better live than on record, rollicking and celebratory. Next came a new song, "Wash Your Feet in the Sea", and then "Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying", one of my all time favourites because it's so joyously apparent that the singer ISN'T dying at all. Up until now I've had my reservations about Belle and Sebastian, but now I can put my hand on my heart and say that they are as good as Orange Juice, my own teenage obsession, the band I didn't want to share with anybody, the band that taught me it was okay to feel things. I like to think B&S are fulfilling that purpose for a growing number of lost sheep. The meek SHALL inherit the earth after all. Giving eskimo kisses to torturers' assistants, tickling the feet of international business men. In short, spreading love where love doesn't want to go. Isobel was dressed in a very fetching AC/DC school uniform, but sadly she didn't attempt the Angus Young Hoppity Skippity Funny Walk with her cello. The keyboard player (Chris?) was tinkling away merrily behind his Rick Wakeman bank of vintage keyboards. He was wearing a jumper supplied by the Lenny Godber Gentleman's Fashion Boutique in West Bromwich, now sadly demolished to make way for Spaghetti Junction. Stuart Murdoch looked very smart in his Sunday School trousers and sensible sandals. At one point the drummer was called upon to mark the re-release of the Led Zep back catologue with an impromptu drum solo. It sounded like The Mighty Thor parking his mini in a crowded Safeways car park. Then the rest of the band joined in, rocking out as if they were possessed of several devils, Stewpot grinning like a kid who's just been invited to provide handclaps for the Bay City Rollers' new single on "Jim'll Fix It". The cello was groaning like a hump-backed whale in the final stages of labour. It sounded like a cross between My Bloody Valentine and Miles Davis' band in the early seventies. Rented amps were turned up to eleven; someone had to take the back off the Wurlitzer piano and pour some water in it, otherwise we might have had the first pop-induced inferno since Brian Wilson abandoned "Smile". Oh, and Stuart laughed just after starting a very tender piano ballad. Whatever would Elton say? I can now clear up the mystery of the prolonged instrument changes. On some songs a laughable little xylophone is featured. It looks like no-one is willing to play it for more than one song (hardly surprising), so they have to keep changing round. A bit like when you're playing football with your mates and nobody wants to be goalie. Can't think of anything else to say. Thanks to all concerned for making a wonderful weekend possible. It really was like "Jim'll Fix It", and you can't say fairer than that now, can you? Peter back down to earth with a bump! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmf at xxx.net Tue Sep 23 13:13:58 1997 From: jmf at xxx.net (J M Forsyth) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:13:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S In-Reply-To: <01BCC6E7.30F8FBA0@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970923131358.00802100@mail.psionworld.net> >I think it's appalling that you folks from Jeepster don't complain about copies of Tigermilk going for 300 pounds, but threaten legal action against a CD made from a CASSETTE DUB. That riddiculous, especially considering you posted a few weeks ago to the indie-list saying that there was "little or no chance" of Tigermilk ever getting reissued. Quite agree - the arguments against bootlegging are almost entirely centred (rightly so) around protecting the earnings of the people who have done the work. This case is weakened somewhat when the bootlegged item in fact no longer provides any earnings and - if unreleased - is unlikely to ever again. It's even lamer when you consider the fact that those fanatics who are responsible for the bootlegging in this case would be more than happy to pay (over) the full price for a proper copy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Tue Sep 23 13:56:54 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:56:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S Message-ID: <01BCC828.8DD62540@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Let's not forget that home taping is illegal too, boys and girls. The argument here seems to be that it's ok for a few fans to swap tapes, but not ok for Tigermilk to reach a larger audience via bootlegged cds. This seems to me to be somewhat hypocritical, and also rather naive. I don't know what the group's reasons for not wanting to re-release Tigermilk are, but it's a simple question of supply and demand. As they get more popular, greater will become the demand for the lp, and inevitably bootlegs will appear - there's money to be made, after all. That money should go to the band, I'm sure we're all agreed, but, denied the opportunity to buy the record legitimately, I can't see too many fans wrestling with their consciences if the opportunity to buy a quality bootleg cd were offered to them. I'd personally have no problem with this (I do own a reasonably well dubbed tape, by the way), although, I might add, that I would also buy an official lp, were it to be subsequently released. David Kitchen said that by stopping bootlegging, they [Jeepster?] are trying to protect both us (the fans) and the band. I could agree with this if the record was now or in the near future to be made officially available, but since Belle & Sebastian "continuously express an interest in NOT releasing Tigermilk again in the UK and only a mild interest in the US option", then somebody please explain how our interests are being protected. By not making Tigermilk available, the band are denying this great music to their audience, and denying themselves the financial rewards they so richly deserve. The presence or otherwise of bootlegs makes no difference to this equation (unless we are not being told the whole story). I guess it could even be argued that in this situation, bootleg copies of the record might actually further the lp's reputation, as this is the only means by which most people can hear it. Not that I am condoning the production of bootlegs, you understand..... Nigel xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Tue Sep 23 15:47:09 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:47:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Paul's back Message-ID: OK, I'm back from France. Those of you who don't know why I'm telling you this, I am the "Mr Mitchell" who runs this list ("Paul" to anyone who can swear in three languages) and I've been on hols. And there are plenty of you newcomers, so welcome one and all. Anyway I'm back and slightly surprised that the list has kept going, archiving, digesting and generally chewing in my absence. Maybe I'm dispensable. In fact I nearly logged in from a cyber-cafe near Quimper to check things were OK, but decided I couldn't risk the high sad-old-git factor. Talking of S.O.G.'s, I'm glad David Kitchen stepped in and made his comments about the John Peel thread. Fully support his comments and those of others in favour of a bit more niceness. Please see my WWW page if you haven't and the tiny minority stop being rude to each other: I will have to step in if anyone gets nasty. I reckon we owe our friends the other side of the water about 15 B&S-irrelevant messages to catch up, especially after their valiant contributions about the US appearances. I've been a teensy bit stung by the strong and varying opinions on the relevant/tangential nature of postings to this list, so I will be as a tiny mouse with a sore throat until lots of people tell me they don't like what's being posted. As I said before, I don't intend to do any censoring (and haven't), just go with the majority view. Right now the list is a damn good read (for me anyway). So if anyone's got any problems with the list, or just wants to tell me how good/crap it is, just mail me privately. Some other random comments from what's been going on (couple more follow-ups to come): o Andrew (Dean): messages that went to the list but never made the archive: hmm, I was kind of waiting for someone to say that. The way the archive gets constructed was bashed together by me as if with sellotape in an excited rush so I'll revisit it. If anyone else notices this, could they mail me *privately* with a copy of the message that didn't make it. o Keith (Watson): what's all this about "book-lined graves?". Intrigued but clueless. o Has anyone seen mention of any of our sites/lists in the press? Would be interested to see if we ever get a mention. In fact a bit nervous - when The Guardian mentioned the best Teletubbies site it was closed down within 24 hours because of a ridiculous increase in the number of accesses... o Sexuality/gender - ambiguity in sexual orientation in lyrics can get a bit... hmm I suppose obvious to these ears, viz Morrisey in the latter days - seems to sometimes just become a game. I think the really nice thing about B&S is that it's *gender* too, e.g. "You know the world was meant for men, not us". One of my favourite lines. o Why doesn't the list administrator like the band fronted by Mark Knopfler someone asked? Hmm I'll leave the answer to that one to the FAQ... o clv: yes, they are. Oh, and I forgot to mention that running this mailing list is still a joy. So thanks to all of you for your continued support and enthusiam. Getting back from a wonderful holiday with only a bottle of extra strong Calvados from a farm and a broken Peugeot to show for it, the only thing that could save the sombre mood was reading through two weeks' worth of messages and once again tasting the weight of feeling for this wonderful music. That and the fact that they're repeating The Sweeney on Channel 5. "Get yuh clothes on love, you're nicked" as my girlfriend would say. Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Tue Sep 23 15:51:37 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Ninette) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:51:37 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Nigel Turner's thoughts Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970923145137.0067d098@student.let.uva.nl> I would just like to say I totally agree with Mr Turner's opinion on this issue. You have my support! I'll take this chance to say something else; if there's any of you on the list who'd like to become my B&S-penpal, that would be cool! E-mail me.... Oh yeah, are there any other Dutchies on this list? We could perhaps have a meeting in Amsterdam.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Sep 23 16:32:53 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:32:53 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Bootlegs Message-ID: <3427E125.EBFDE700@colon.net.> I don't trust bootleggers. The last time I bought one it was Neil Young and Booker T and the MGs. Not only was the sound quality terrible, but they didn't do "Green Onions" or that one from Test Match Special either. A proper rip off. It came from Italy. Someone mentioned demand and supply. By holding onto the Tigermilk tapes for a bit longer, the band will probably benefit from increased exposure and therefore increased demand. Business is business. Besides which, it's a good laugh. If the band were real scumbags, they could release it in a limited edition format at a ludicrously high price, like Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space in a special pill poppers packet. By the way, the other day a boy called Valeri wrote in asking about Tigermilk and it turns out that I was the only one who answered. (Perhaps he says that to all the girls!) My tape copy of TM sounds like shit, so if anyone would be kind enough to send him a copy he'd be very happy. He seems like a nice boy, even if he has got a girl's name. if you've tossed his letter down the cyber-toilet, you can find it at the endlessly gratifying archive.(Click below) 01 811 8055 - if you recognise that number, don't go to the classic children's TV site, accessible from one of the B&S tribute sites (I've been surfing for the first time since we got the first phone bill). It's like an irresistible vortex of nostalgia from which there is no escape. Would someone in London like to ring that number and see if anyone answers? No, thought not. Shut up. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Tue Sep 23 17:57:39 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:57:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Domain membership of list Message-ID: Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is spreading across the world. Here it is: Number of people Domain 86 US Commercial 63 United Kingdom 35 US Educational 26 Network (could mean anywhere) 9 France 4 Sweden 4 Australia 3 US Organization 3 Greece 2 Netherlands 2 Spain 2 Germany 2 Brazil 1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) 1 Thailand 1 New Zealand 1 Norway 1 Japan 1 Iceland 1 Ireland 1 Canada This is for both the list and the digest. Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these countries, and how did people hear about them? Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bwret at xxx.com Tue Sep 23 18:34:24 1997 From: bwret at xxx.com (Alex Ward) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Tip-toeing on treaded ground... Message-ID: So I got a dub of Tigermilk yesterday (Thanks Pam! Now I need to find a suitable gift in return..) and it's really wonderful. I really like the pop-iness of it all, and it's range of styles is a bit tyongue-in-cheek, methinks. The most incredible thing about it, though, is how much the band has matured in just a year or so. Sinister is so much fuller in terms of songwriting...but I digress. It's so cool to see all these overt influences on the first album...holy Velvets! It also seems that the band took several songs from Tigermilk and reworked them into new tracks for Sinister. I heard at least 3 or 4 riffs which they have used again. Thoughts? Your ramblingly, Alex ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Sep 23 18:47:27 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:47:27 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Domain membership of list References: Message-ID: <342800AF.697B9067@colon.net.> Honey wrote: > > Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how > membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is > spreading across the world. Here it is: > > Number of people Domain > 86 US Commercial > 63 United Kingdom > 35 US Educational > 26 Network (could mean anywhere) > 9 France > 4 Sweden > 4 Australia > 3 US Organization > 3 Greece > 2 Netherlands > 2 Spain > 2 Germany > 2 Brazil > 1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) > 1 Thailand > 1 New Zealand > 1 Norway > 1 Japan > 1 Iceland > 1 Ireland > 1 Canada > > This is for both the list and the digest. > > Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all > these > countries, and how did people hear about them? > > Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. > > Paul > mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net > > Who's the other person in Spain? As of last week "Sinister" (the album, not the list) is in at least two extremely crappy record shops in San Sebastian. I even sneakily snuck it into one of those display rack thingies. The cover stands out quite nicely. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From klas.ericsson at xxx.se Tue Sep 23 19:18:50 1997 From: klas.ericsson at xxx.se (klas ericsson) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:18:50 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Tip-toeing on treaded ground... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex wrote: >The most incredible thing about it, though, is how much the band has >matured in just a year or so. Sinister is so much fuller in terms of >songwriting...but I digress. It's so cool to see all >these overt influences on the first album...holy Velvets! - Funnily enough I got my copy today too - and of course i love it and all that, but I must (after just listening to TM a few times) that I think that they, just as Alex points out, really have matured. Even though I don´t know how they´ll get much better than on "Expectations" where everything seems to fit perfectly. The maturing is even better illustrated by the sessions I got on my dub. The first one´s is shaky and untight (but still great of course:-)) and the last from this month is just as I remembered them from the New York-gig. >It also seems that the band took several songs from Tigermilk and reworked >them into new tracks for Sinister. I heard at least 3 or 4 riffs which they >have used again. Thoughts? - Never thought of that. What riffs?! /Klas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From madelain-jp at xxx.fr Tue Sep 23 19:30:23 1997 From: madelain-jp at xxx.fr (Jean-Philippe Madelaine) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:30:23 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Domain membership of list Message-ID: <199709231830.UAA24069@pauline.infonie.fr> Nice to see there are 9 members of list living in France. To answer your question, it's not very easy to get B&S records : i purchased the both eps Dog... and Lazy almost three weeks ago and i'm still waiting. I heared about B&S in FNAC, a big store with books and records and ... wellknown in France. They made a selection of new talents and B&S was in. JP ---- De : Honey A : sinister at majordomo.net Date : mardi 23 septembre 1997 19:13 Objet : Sinister: Domain membership of list >Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how >membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is >spreading across the world. Here it is: > >Number of people Domain >86 US Commercial >63 United Kingdom >35 US Educational >26 Network (could mean anywhere) >9 France >4 Sweden >4 Australia >3 US Organization >3 Greece >2 Netherlands >2 Spain >2 Germany >2 Brazil >1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) >1 Thailand >1 New Zealand >1 Norway >1 Japan >1 Iceland >1 Ireland >1 Canada > >This is for both the list and the digest. > >Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these >countries, and how did people hear about them? > >Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. > >Paul >mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >.. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list... To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net"... For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see.. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister.. 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Tue Sep 23 23:58:11 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:58:11 -0700 Subject: Sinister: seconds of light Message-ID: <34284983.697@earthlink.net> could someone tell me please when the new release date of the new single e.p. or whatever it's called is. i know it got changed but i forgot. thanks. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ByTheSea6 at xxx.com Tue Sep 23 20:43:45 1997 From: ByTheSea6 at xxx.com (ByTheSea6 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Bootlegs Message-ID: <970923153925_711033174@emout02.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-23 12:39:35 EDT, oc245d8aff at colon.net writes: > If the band were real scumbags, they could release it >in a limited edition format at a ludicrously high price, like Ladies and >Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space in a special pill poppers packet. I wouldn't call Spiritualized "scumbags" because they indulge in costly packaging. I mean, that's their bag, and it's not like you can't get the album for normal price if you are not a obsessive collector. I think the packaging ideas Jason comes up with are unique and interesting. in morning for tigger lost his head, nate ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Yummycats at xxx.com Tue Sep 23 20:43:44 1997 From: Yummycats at xxx.com (Yummycats at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Domain membership of list Message-ID: <970923154206_-1900034362@emout13.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-23 14:32:10 EDT << >Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these >countries, and how did people hear about them? >> Rolling Stone on America OnLine had a standout review of Sinister, providing a few sound samples. A few weeks later, after searching in recordstore after recordstore, I finally found a copy. But it's terribly unfair that the new e.p.'s haven't been released here in the U.S. They're not even in the import shops. It's very frustrating to not be able to find your favorite music. I thought about ordering them directly from Jeepster, but I'm not even sure that's possible. I can't even find their address (not printed on the us edition of Sinister). (sigh). yummycats ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnj at xxx.com Tue Sep 23 20:46:49 1997 From: johnj at xxx.com (J Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:46:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Dubs of Tigermilk Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970923204649.006937c0@mail.u-net.com> Why is everyone going on about Dub versions of Tigermilk? Is this some kind of remix, perhaps heralding the band's new direction? can we expect a remix of 'The State I Am In' by Smiley Culture or something. Have I missed the point. JJ Dipsy hat! Dipsy hat! Fancy that! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnj at xxx.com Tue Sep 23 20:59:46 1997 From: johnj at xxx.com (J Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:59:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Spiritualized Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970923205946.00691bc8@mail.u-net.com> Ladies And Gentlemen we are floating in Space is one of the finest albums of this year.. and is 12.99 overly expensive?? I paid 12.99 for my If You're Feeling Sinister CD. stop moaning JJ x Dipsy hat! Dipsy hat! Fancy that! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tanya101 at xxx.com Tue Sep 23 21:19:36 1997 From: Tanya101 at xxx.com (tanya) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:19:36 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Domain membership of list References: <970923154206_-1900034362@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <34282440.34A@n2k.com> Spin on AOL has a review of Sinister as well (plug plug) and you can write to- P.O. Box 14153 London, SW11 4XU or visit the website which has all the info- http://www.totalweb.co.uk/belleandsebastian Yummycats at aol.com wrote: > Rolling Stone on America OnLine had a standout review of Sinister, providing > a few sound samples. A few weeks later, after searching in recordstore after > recordstore, I finally found a copy. But it's terribly unfair that the new > e.p.'s haven't been released here in the U.S. They're not even in the import > shops. It's very frustrating to not be able to find your favorite music. I > thought about ordering them directly from Jeepster, but I'm not even sure > that's possible. I can't even find their address (not printed on the us > edition of Sinister). (sigh). > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Wed Sep 24 01:55:19 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:55:19 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Domain membership of list References: <970923154206_-1900034362@emout13.mail.aol.com> <34282440.34A@n2k.com> Message-ID: <342864F6.427C@earthlink.net> i found my copy of "lazy line painter jane" at wax n' facts in atlanta. it was over in the cdsingle box thing they have. as for dog on wheels, i got it through secret sounds. http://www.secretsounds.com they shipped it pretty fast. it's probably where i'll order seconds of light also. so if you're in the states and having trouble finding the singles, go to secretsounds site. -brad > > A few weeks later, after searching in recordstore after > > recordstore, I finally found a copy. But it's terribly unfair that the new > > e.p.'s haven't been released here in the U.S. They're not even in the import > > shops. It's very frustrating to not be able to find your favorite music. I > > thought about ordering them directly from Jeepster, but I'm not even sure > > that's possible. I can't even find their address (not printed on the us > > edition of Sinister). (sigh). > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Sep 23 21:55:53 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:55:53 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Bootlegs References: <970923153925_711033174@emout02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <34282CD9.C04365B8@colon.net.> ByTheSea6 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-09-23 12:39:35 EDT, oc245d8aff at colon.net writes: > > > If the band were real scumbags, they could release it > >in a limited edition format at a ludicrously high price, like Ladies > and > >Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space in a special pill poppers packet. > > I wouldn't call Spiritualized "scumbags" because they indulge in > costly > packaging. I mean, that's their bag, and it's not like you can't get > the > album for normal price if you are not a obsessive collector. I think > the > packaging ideas Jason comes up with are unique and interesting. > > in morning for tigger lost his head, > > nate > I didn't mean to call them scumbags. I don't know why I said that. I admit that it's a very intriguing package, I just think the music should come before collectability, I suppose. As you say, it's their bag (nice use of Austin Powers terminology! :-)) Maybe my singling out of Spiritualized comes from the fact that I can't get their bloody album at all in Spain. Quite frustrating because I really liked the last one. So apologies to Jasonheads everywhere :-! Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Skreddy56 at xxx.com Tue Sep 23 22:42:10 1997 From: Skreddy56 at xxx.com (Skreddy56 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Spiritualized Message-ID: <970923172124_1064071999@emout18.mail.aol.com> << and is 12.99 overly expensive?? I paid 12.99 for my If You're Feeling Sinister CD. >> I do believe they were referring to the 12 cd box of the album which went for the equivalent of $120. As for the Tigermilk bootlegging problem, all that Jeepster needs to do is put on a demo or a live song or something and everyone will go buy it again even if they already had a good CD copy. That's my 2 cents. By the way, when does the Ink Poloroid contest end? Today I learned that international money orders cost upwards of $7.50, so I'm going to try my hand at winning a shirt before I plunk down over 25 dollars on one (that's about L17 or 125FF, for those of you not familiar with American currency). --Matt ps- Ben-- got your tape the other day and yours is winging it's way to you now. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Tue Sep 23 22:39:25 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:39:25 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Spiritualized Message-ID: <3428370D.FC5A6A98@colon.net.> Before a cyber-brawl breaks out, please let me explain myself... I did not, nor would I ever, call Jason Scumbag a Spaceman. I like his band, I liked his old band, I do a really good impersonation of Sonic Boom. On the odd occasions that I pass through Rugby on the train I always look for their old house on Railway Terrace. i don't know why I picked on their inventive packaging to criticise. It might as well have been the special gold edition of "The Piano" soundtrack. I only wanted to make a typically dubious point about demand and supply. I don't usually abuse people, I think this little misunderstanding was the result of flying fingers annd brain on the blink. Can I get off the naughty chair now? Having said all that, I do favour traditional CD packaging, anything else just messes up your CD shelf and gets all scuffed and knackered anyway. The most ludicrous example I own, both musically and otherwise, is the super gatefold edition of "Space Ritual" by Hawkwind, complete with rubbish sci-fi stories and pictures of rude dancers. Should I get back on the naughty chair for admitting that? Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aeos at xxx.com Tue Sep 23 23:19:33 1997 From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:19:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Compo Message-ID: <199709232217.XAA04951@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> This one is of a group of us in a little tavern behind New College. We don't look really *happy*, but that's just because we've only just met, at a record fair half an hour earlier, and we're all a little confused. Little Soozy is pointing at someone and looking very impressed but a little scared. She won't tell us who he is, but she probably fancies him anyway. The wasp under the glass on the table is not dead; the barman in the background with the blue hair and tie is the one who will soon enough lift up the glass and give the insect its freedom again. He nearly got stung while lifting up the glass, and walked off muttering something. The kitchen window in the top left is where the nice smells, which make us a little more relaxed, are coming from. The sign next to the window has writing too small to be made out here, but the general message was that the pub has never hosted funeral receptions of major rock 'n' roll legends. I don't think we were meant to understand - it's probably an in-joke. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Tue Sep 23 23:44:49 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:44:49 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Barcelona gig review Message-ID: <199709232246.AAA07972@mail2.isdnet.net> erm, i think the actual reference might possibly be about the film "don't look back" filmed by DA pennebaker, a B. Dylan tour film... sorry for being pedantic, but i thought it was quite obvious... love, alan > It all went by so fast I can't really remember the set list, most of > which I didn't recognise anyway. They did "Dylan in the Movies", which > has always been one of my least favourite songs because it reminds me > of...well, Dylan in the movies, namely the terrible film....whoops, > can't find my Dylanology books...I think it's called "Streets of Fire" > or something equally ludicrous. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From geoff.burgerman4 at xxx.net Tue Sep 23 22:33:22 1997 From: geoff.burgerman4 at xxx.net (.j 0n) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:33:22 +0000 Subject: Sinister: songs for today. (chords) Message-ID: <199709232253.XAA04452@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> hello nice people of the b+s list, 1) 'this is just a modern rock song' D A this is just a modern rock song this id just a sorry lament G D we're four boys in our corduroys were not perfect but were D-> competent.. D/A/G/D this progession runs through-out the whole song.. 2) 'we rule the school ' C G F C on a beech tree rudely carved, NC was here F C G Why did she do it was she scared, was she bored? ------------------------------------------------ lovely lovely song..*sigh* so um....anyone else got any ideas... ?? bye bye jon (of glasto poem..blah blah..) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From clbarnes at xxx.com Wed Sep 24 00:08:52 1997 From: clbarnes at xxx.com (Clint Barnes) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Best Freudian Slip Ever? (was: Spiritualized) Message-ID: "Before a cyber-brawl breaks out, please let me explain myself... I did not, nor would I ever, call Jason Scumbag a Spaceman. I like his band..." I do this all the time during meetings. Once, I meant to tell my boss that she had a good idea, but for some reason I blurted out that she had great legs. B&S tie in... let me think... oh yeah, another time I was explaining how wonderful the band is to a coworker, and I told her my favorite song was 'Dog in Heels'. I almost corrected myself immediately but then I looked down and, yep, this lady was wearing high heels. Argh! -Clint ____________________________ clint barnes Electronic Publishing clbarnes at cisco.com (408) 526-8379 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MWaggner at xxx.com Wed Sep 24 00:39:53 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: Bootlegs Message-ID: <970923193746_1257429023@emout05.mail.aol.com> I have to agree with what seems to be shaping up as the majority opinion on the "bootleg" issue. I have just heard a tape of Tigermilk and it is lovely -- I like the acoustic feel of some of the songs, and the simplicity I guess I'd call it, compared to ... Sinister. However, dub quality is usually less than wonderful, and it would be great to have a cleaner copy. I read the first mailing about putting Tigermilk on CD not as a bootlegging venture, but as a way to exchange copies (as is being done on tape) in a cleaner, more listener-friendly format. In any event, if the band does not intend to re-release the album then they would not be losing any money at all if people are exchanging (or even selling) CD copies. I would hazard a guess that most people who might purchase a "bootleg" copy would indeed buy any eventual re-release as well. Especially if it had an added track, as is suggested elsewhere. Look at all the people who buy both the vinyl and CD of releases by bands they like -- do bands release on vinyl expecting that it is going to other than a collectors item for most people? It's a marketing decision because people will buy the vinyl AND the CD. I would never buy a bootleg version of a regularly released album -- but there are bootlegs I will buy if that is the only way to get the material. I would much prefer that the artist get the money him/her self, but if the artist has made the choice to pass on making that money... I don't feel wonderful about it, but my curiousity usually gets the best of me. Let's all just beg B&S to re-release Tigermilk and end this whole debate. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Tue Sep 23 23:35:21 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:35:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S Message-ID: <34284429.C276FA2E@virgin.net> The problem with the bootleg argument seems solely set on one point, "Are Belle and Sebastian intending to re-release Tigermilk?". Sadly the only people that honestly know the answer are the band and they're not letting on. I think that this has more to do with the fact that they may not want old material to clash with new material. Especially as their new material is so good. It's hypocritical, but even though I desperately want Tigermilk re-issued, I don't want to slow down the recording or release schedule of new material. This would inevitably happen if Tigermilk were released again. And surely even in the states where Tigermilk was never released you'd still like to see the first major release on a new label to be new material, even in the form of the singles album plus additional tracks like 'modern rock song'. Ah, it's an impossible debate, we are all protective of them and we all want Tigermilk re-issued, and there'll never be such thing as a quiet re-issue of it. What are we to do, eh? David (my opinions do NOT reflect or come from Jeepster, please don't mingle them, the Jeepster opinion is from Mark Jones and my girlfriend's - and we bicker enough already!) -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From initgrl at xxx.org Wed Sep 24 03:06:07 1997 From: initgrl at xxx.org (jj heldmann) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S In-Reply-To: <34284429.C276FA2E@virgin.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, David & Katrina wrote: > want Tigermilk re-issued, I don't want to slow down the recording or > release schedule of new material. This would inevitably happen if > Tigermilk were released again. maybe i'm just slow, but why would re-releasing Tigermilk slow down the recording schedule (or release) of new material? They've already said the new lp won't come out til next year, the new single is ready for release, so how would oh, say re-releasing Tigermilk next month or two months from now or whenever, slow down the process? > And surely even in the states where Tigermilk was never released you'd > still like to see the first major release on a new label to be new > material, even in the form of the singles album plus additional tracks > like 'modern rock song'. actually I for one would rather see Tigermilk be the first major release. Singles comps with an extra track or two are a pain if you've impatiently already shelled out for the import singles - you just have to buy it all over again (which of course, I will certainly be doing - hell, i've got Tigermilk on vinyl but if it comes out on cd i'll be first in line to get it just so i don't wear out the vinyl!) but what do i know? xo jj ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cc297 at xxx.ca Wed Sep 24 03:31:13 1997 From: cc297 at xxx.ca (Alvin de Leon) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Domain membership of list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow...I'm the only lister from Canada =) -Allan On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Honey wrote: > Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how > membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is > spreading across the world. Here it is: > > Number of people Domain > 86 US Commercial > 63 United Kingdom > 35 US Educational > 26 Network (could mean anywhere) > 9 France > 4 Sweden > 4 Australia > 3 US Organization > 3 Greece > 2 Netherlands > 2 Spain > 2 Germany > 2 Brazil > 1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) > 1 Thailand > 1 New Zealand > 1 Norway > 1 Japan > 1 Iceland > 1 Ireland > 1 Canada > > This is for both the list and the digest. > > Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these > countries, and how did people hear about them? > > Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. > > Paul > mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > take care, - aL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From efauquembergue at xxx.fr Wed Sep 24 09:03:51 1997 From: efauquembergue at xxx.fr (Eric Fauquembergue - Softools) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:03:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S : France Message-ID: <01BCC8C8.C7DD8850@ASTERIX> I'm another listee from France. I've heard of B&S when they opened for Tindersticks in a concert at the ICA in London. I was not there, but as I am a big fa of Tindersticks, I decided to purchase B&S If you're feeling sinister album. I was in England at that time, so I had no problem in finding it at HMV. B&S EPs are available as import in France. Sinister LP has been officially released recently. They are promoted by a national radio (France Inter) and the major record store company (FNAC). BTW, they are supposed to perform a live session for this radio in early 98, before the release of the next album. Eric -- Eric Fauquembergue -- Softools -- efauquembergue at softools.fr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Sep 24 09:47:53 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:47:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Dubs of Tigermilk Message-ID: <01BCC8CE.EE725620@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Why is everyone going on about Dub versions of Tigermilk? Is this some kind of remix, perhaps heralding the band's new direction? [Keith Watson] Yes - there's an On-U sound "yabba yabba" mix coming out in place of the real album, it comes free with some "stuff" in a sealed envelope. Presuming Dub is an American term for copy, just out of interest, to the Americans out there, what's your term for the sort of music that Lee Perry makes? Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk Wed Sep 24 11:48:46 1997 From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:48:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: State I'm in and cover versions Message-ID: <428F4BD0.1272@smlawpub.co.uk> I agree that the version of The State I'm In on the Dog on Wheels EP is, er, somewhat lacklustre. And I would love to hear B&S cover Josef K's Sorry for Laughing (from The Only Fun in Town) and Consolation Prize by Orange Juice. On a deeply trivial but nonetheless B&S-related side issue: someone said that Stuart Murdoch is 24. Was he a boy genius (which is eminently possible), as I've been told he was at Glasgow University in 1989? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Wed Sep 24 13:14:19 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:14:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: State I'm in and cover versions Message-ID: <01BCC8EB.C50C5200@rainbow.qss.co.uk> On a deeply trivial but nonetheless B&S-related side issue: someone said that Stuart Murdoch is 24. Was he a boy genius (which is eminently possible), as I've been told he was at Glasgow University in 1989? [Keith Watson] As far as I'm aware, he's a lot older than that - it says on the back of Tigermilk that he's a lot older than he looks, Chris has also stated in interviews that he's a lot older than the rest of them. Cheers, Keith. ps: Nathan- tried to mail you this morning, have Edinburgh Uni gone and cancelled your account, as the mail bounced, anyway, mail me at keith at qss.co.uk (Nathan and I met in the pub last night - a sort of "virtual cyber friends meeting", if anyone else from the list in the Glasgow/Edinburgh area fancies a night out, post on the list and we'll have a meeting, perhaps we could go to the Grosvenor Cafe in Ashton lane - and be just like the sad old kids that go on the Smiths tour of Manchester, signing their names on the Salford Lads club... Alternatively, we could go to the pub. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bsp01e at xxx.uk Wed Sep 24 22:58:27 1997 From: bsp01e at xxx.uk (william philip bowen#]) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:58:27 PDT Subject: Sinister: seconds of light Message-ID: " could someone tell me please when the new release date of the new single > e.p. or whatever it's called is. i know it got changed but i forgot. > thanks. > -brad" New EP was due to be released on 15.9.97 (if I remember correctly) titled "3,6,9 seconds of light". But my local record store state that the release is to be held back until 1.10.97. Hope this is correct! Philip ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From TED_MCCAGG at xxx.com Wed Sep 24 16:00:50 1997 From: TED_MCCAGG at xxx.com (TED_MCCAGG at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:00:50 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Upcoming Shows? Message-ID: <000BA5E1.1451@yr.com> Does anyone know when and where B&S will be playing in October/November? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Wed Sep 24 16:27:29 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:27:29 -0400 Subject: Sinister: RE: sinister-digest V1 #20 Message-ID: <01BCC8DC.D8990AC0@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Hi Stuart M. was 28 when I interviewed him (in May). I know because he said "I'm 28 years old and have been writing songs for four years." Perhaps he's 29 now. In any case, he looks rather young. In other B&S news, the band was given a brief mention in the New Yorker magazine within an article on Britpop (or Dadrock as they called it). The article was mainly concerned with bands such as Radixhexd and Oxxxs (wasn't sure if my message would get through if I mentioned these bands). The mention was regarding how easily it is to be an unknown band in one week, and to have a hit the next since the elite DJs can rely on their own musical tastes rather than chart positions. Food for thought Matt -----Original Message----- From: owner-sinister-digest at xxx.com [SMTP:owner-sinister-digest at neurometrix.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 8:23 AM To: sinister-digest at majordomo.net Subject: sinister-digest V1 #20 sinister-digest Wednesday, September 24 1997 Volume 01 : Number 020 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:03:19 +0200 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net Subject: Sinister: Barcelona gig review Hello everybody, Here's a very rough and ready review of our heroes in Barcelona: ARE BELLE AND SEBASTIAN NECESSARY ON A BICYCLE? The beautiful old square was packed to the rafters, except there weren't any rafters because it was an open air concert. People were precariously perched on the gargoyles instead. These gargoyles were apparently used in the Middle Ages to pour boiling oil on unruly Jethro Tull fans. In spite of being surrounded by other pop attractions, including Primal Scream, people seemed only too happy to stand around packed like sailors in a leaking submarine to see Belle and Sebastian strut their funky stuff. They leapt straight into "Tigermilk" at which point we buggered off for a drink. Pop salvation is one thing, dehydration is another. When we got back it was obvious they were getting a bit shirty due to malfunctioning monitors and the egg-bound sound of some of the rented instruments. The monitor man, bless him, was a distant cousin of Manuel from Fawlty Towers. Say no more. It all went by so fast I can't really remember the set list, most of which I didn't recognise anyway. They did "Dylan in the Movies", which has always been one of my least favourite songs because it reminds me of...well, Dylan in the movies, namely the terrible film....whoops, can't find my Dylanology books...I think it's called "Streets of Fire" or something equally ludicrous. But I digress. The song is much better live than on record, rollicking and celebratory. Next came a new song, "Wash Your Feet in the Sea", and then "Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying", one of my all time favourites because it's so joyously apparent that the singer ISN'T dying at all. Up until now I've had my reservations about Belle and Sebastian, but now I can put my hand on my heart and say that they are as good as Orange Juice, my own teenage obsession, the band I didn't want to share with anybody, the band that taught me it was okay to feel things. I like to think B&S are fulfilling that purpose for a growing number of lost sheep. The meek SHALL inherit the earth after all. Giving eskimo kisses to torturers' assistants, tickling the feet of international business men. In short, spreading love where love doesn't want to go. Isobel was dressed in a very fetching AC/DC school uniform, but sadly she didn't attempt the Angus Young Hoppity Skippity Funny Walk with her cello. The keyboard player (Chris?) was tinkling away merrily behind his Rick Wakeman bank of vintage keyboards. He was wearing a jumper supplied by the Lenny Godber Gentleman's Fashion Boutique in West Bromwich, now sadly demolished to make way for Spaghetti Junction. Stuart Murdoch looked very smart in his Sunday School trousers and sensible sandals. At one point the drummer was called upon to mark the re-release of the Led Zep back catologue with an impromptu drum solo. It sounded like The Mighty Thor parking his mini in a crowded Safeways car park. Then the rest of the band joined in, rocking out as if they were possessed of several devils, Stewpot grinning like a kid who's just been invited to provide handclaps for the Bay City Rollers' new single on "Jim'll Fix It". The cello was groaning like a hump-backed whale in the final stages of labour. It sounded like a cross between My Bloody Valentine and Miles Davis' band in the early seventies. Rented amps were turned up to eleven; someone had to take the back off the Wurlitzer piano and pour some water in it, otherwise we might have had the first pop-induced inferno since Brian Wilson abandoned "Smile". Oh, and Stuart laughed just after starting a very tender piano ballad. Whatever would Elton say? I can now clear up the mystery of the prolonged instrument changes. On some songs a laughable little xylophone is featured. It looks like no-one is willing to play it for more than one song (hardly surprising), so they have to keep changing round. A bit like when you're playing football with your mates and nobody wants to be goalie. Can't think of anything else to say. Thanks to all concerned for making a wonderful weekend possible. It really was like "Jim'll Fix It", and you can't say fairer than that now, can you? Peter back down to earth with a bump! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:13:58 +0100 From: J M Forsyth Subject: Re: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S >I think it's appalling that you folks from Jeepster don't complain about copies of Tigermilk going for 300 pounds, but threaten legal action against a CD made from a CASSETTE DUB. That riddiculous, especially considering you posted a few weeks ago to the indie-list saying that there was "little or no chance" of Tigermilk ever getting reissued. Quite agree - the arguments against bootlegging are almost entirely centred (rightly so) around protecting the earnings of the people who have done the work. This case is weakened somewhat when the bootlegged item in fact no longer provides any earnings and - if unreleased - is unlikely to ever again. It's even lamer when you consider the fact that those fanatics who are responsible for the bootlegging in this case would be more than happy to pay (over) the full price for a proper copy. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:56:54 +0100 From: Nigel Turner Subject: RE: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S Let's not forget that home taping is illegal too, boys and girls. The = argument here seems to be that it's ok for a few fans to swap tapes, but = not ok for Tigermilk to reach a larger audience via bootlegged cds. = This seems to me to be somewhat hypocritical, and also rather naive. I = don't know what the group's reasons for not wanting to re-release = Tigermilk are, but it's a simple question of supply and demand. As they = get more popular, greater will become the demand for the lp, and = inevitably bootlegs will appear - there's money to be made, after all. = That money should go to the band, I'm sure we're all agreed, but, denied = the opportunity to buy the record legitimately, I can't see too many = fans wrestling with their consciences if the opportunity to buy a = quality bootleg cd were offered to them. I'd personally have no problem = with this (I do own a reasonably well dubbed tape, by the way), = although, I might add, that I would also buy an official lp, were it to = be subsequently released. David Kitchen said that by stopping bootlegging, they [Jeepster?] are = trying to protect both us (the fans) and the band. I could agree with = this if the record was now or in the near future to be made officially = available, but since Belle & Sebastian "continuously express an interest = in NOT releasing Tigermilk again in the UK and only a mild interest in = the US option", then somebody please explain how our interests are being = protected. By not making Tigermilk available, the band are denying this = great music to their audience, and denying themselves the financial = rewards they so richly deserve. The presence or otherwise of bootlegs = makes no difference to this equation (unless we are not being told the = whole story). I guess it could even be argued that in this situation, = bootleg copies of the record might actually further the lp's reputation, = as this is the only means by which most people can hear it. Not that I = am condoning the production of bootlegs, you understand.....=20 Nigel xx - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - y that. The way the archive gets constructed was bashed together by me as if with sellotape in an excited rush so I'll revisit it. If anyone else notices this, could they mail me *privately* with a copy of the message that didn't make it. o Keith (Watson): what's all this about "book-lined graves?". Intrigued but clueless. o Has anyone seen mention of any of our sites/lists in the press? Would be interested to see if we ever get a mention. In fact a bit nervous - when The Guardian mentioned the best Teletubbies site it was closed down within 24 hours because of a ridiculous increase in the number of accesses... o Sexuality/gender - ambiguity in sexual orientation in lyrics can get a bit... hmm I suppose obvious to these ears, viz Morrisey in the latter days - seems to sometimes just become a game. I think the really nice thing about B&S is that it's *gender* too, e.g. "You know the world was meant for men, not us". One of my favourite lines. o Why doesn't the list administrator like the band fronted by Mark Knopfler someone asked? Hmm I'll leave the answer to that one to the FAQ... o clv: yes, they are. Oh, and I forgot to mention that running this mailing list is still a joy. So thanks to all of you for your continued support and enthusiam. Getting back from a wonderful holiday with only a bottle of extra strong Calvados from a farm and a broken Peugeot to show for it, the only thing that could save the sombre mood was reading through two weeks' worth of messages and once again tasting the weight of feeling for this wonderful music. That and the fact that they're repeating The Sweeney on Channel 5. "Get yuh clothes on love, you're nicked" as my girlfriend would say. Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:51:37 +0200 From: Ninette Subject: Sinister: Nigel Turner's thoughts I would just like to say I totally agree with Mr Turner's opinion on this issue. You have my support! I'll take this chance to say something else; if there's any of you on the list who'd like to become my B&S-penpal, that would be cool! E-mail me.... Oh yeah, are there any other Dutchies on this list? We could perhaps have a meeting in Amsterdam.... - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:32:53 +0200 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net Subject: Sinister: Bootlegs I don't trust bootleggers. The last time I bought one it was Neil Young and Booker T and the MGs. Not only was the sound quality terrible, but they didn't do "Green Onions" or that one from Test Match Special either. A proper rip off. It came from Italy. Someone mentioned demand and supply. By holding onto the Tigermilk tapes for a bit longer, the band will probably benefit from increased exposure and therefore increased demand. Business is business. Besides which, it's a good laugh. If the band were real scumbags, they could release it in a limited edition format at a ludicrously high price, like Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space in a special pill poppers packet. By the way, the other day a boy called Valeri wrote in asking about Tigermilk and it turns out that I was the only one who answered. (Perhaps he says that to all the girls!) My tape copy of TM sounds like shit, so if anyone would be kind enough to send him a copy he'd be very happy. He seems like a nice boy, even if he has got a girl's name. if you've tossed his letter down the cyber-toilet, you can find it at the endlessly gratifying archive.(Click below) 01 811 8055 - if you recognise that number, don't go to the classic children's TV site, accessible from one of the B&S tribute sites (I've been surfing for the first time since we got the first phone bill). It's like an irresistible vortex of nostalgia from which there is no escape. Would someone in London like to ring that number and see if anyone answers? No, thought not. Shut up. Peter - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:57:39 +0100 (BST) From: Honey Subject: Sinister: Domain membership of list Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is spreading across the world. Here it is: Number of people Domain 86 US Commercial 63 United Kingdom 35 US Educational 26 Network (could mean anywhere) 9 France 4 Sweden 4 Australia 3 US Organization 3 Greece 2 Netherlands 2 Spain 2 Germany 2 Brazil 1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) 1 Thailand 1 New Zealand 1 Norway 1 Japan 1 Iceland 1 Ireland 1 Canada This is for both the list and the digest. Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these countries, and how did people hear about them? Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:34:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Ward Subject: Sinister: Tip-toeing on treaded ground... So I got a dub of Tigermilk yesterday (Thanks Pam! Now I need to find a suitable gift in return..) and it's really wonderful. I really like the pop-iness of it all, and it's range of styles is a bit tyongue-in-cheek, methinks. The most incredible thing about it, though, is how much the band has matured in just a year or so. Sinister is so much fuller in terms of songwriting...but I digress. It's so cool to see all these overt influences on the first album...holy Velvets! It also seems that the band took several songs from Tigermilk and reworked them into new tracks for Sinister. I heard at least 3 or 4 riffs which they have used again. Thoughts? Your ramblingly, Alex - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:47:27 +0200 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net Subject: Re: Sinister: Domain membership of list Honey wrote: > > Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how > membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is > spreading across the world. Here it is: > > Number of people Domain > 86 US Commercial > 63 United Kingdom > 35 US Educational > 26 Network (could mean anywhere) > 9 France > 4 Sweden > 4 Australia > 3 US Organization > 3 Greece > 2 Netherlands > 2 Spain > 2 Germany > 2 Brazil > 1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) > 1 Thailand > 1 New Zealand > 1 Norway > 1 Japan > 1 Iceland > 1 Ireland > 1 Canada > > This is for both the list and the digest. > > Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all > these > countries, and how did people hear about them? > > Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. > > Paul > mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net > > Who's the other person in Spain? As of last week "Sinister" (the album, not the list) is in at least two extremely crappy record shops in San Sebastian. I even sneakily snuck it into one of those display rack thingies. The cover stands out quite nicely. Peter - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:18:50 +0200 From: klas ericsson Subject: Sinister: Tip-toeing on treaded ground... Alex wrote: >The most incredible thing about it, though, is how much the band has >matured in just a year or so. Sinister is so much fuller in terms of >songwriting...but I digress. It's so cool to see all >these overt influences on the first album...holy Velvets! - - Funnily enough I got my copy today too - and of course i love it and all that, but I must (after just listening to TM a few times) that I think that they, just as Alex points out, really have matured. Even though I don=B4t know how they=B4ll get much better than on "Expectations" where everything seems to fit perfectly. The maturing is even better illustrated by the sessions I got on my dub. The first one=B4s is shaky and untight (but still great of course:-)) and th= e last from this month is just as I remembered them from the New York-gig. >It also seems that the band took several songs from Tigermilk and reworked >them into new tracks for Sinister. I heard at least 3 or 4 riffs which they >have used again. Thoughts? - - Never thought of that. What riffs?! /Klas - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:30:23 +0200 From: "Jean-Philippe Madelaine" Subject: Re: Sinister: Domain membership of list Nice to see there are 9 members of list living in France. To answer your question, it's not very easy to get B&S records : i purchased the both eps Dog... and Lazy almost three weeks ago and i'm still waiting. I heared about B&S in FNAC, a big store with books and records and ... wellknown in France. They made a selection of new talents and B&S was in. JP ---- De : Honey A : sinister at majordomo.net Date : mardi 23 septembre 1997 19:13 Objet : Sinister: Domain membership of list >Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how >membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is >spreading across the world. Here it is: > >Number of people Domain >86 US Commercial >63 United Kingdom >35 US Educational >26 Network (could mean anywhere) >9 France >4 Sweden >4 Australia >3 US Organization >3 Greece >2 Netherlands >2 Spain >2 Germany >2 Brazil >1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) >1 Thailand >1 New Zealand >1 Norway >1 Japan >1 Iceland >1 Ireland >1 Canada > >This is for both the list and the digest. > >Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these >countries, and how did people hear about them? > >Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. > >Paul >mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >.. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list... To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net"... For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see.. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister.. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net---------------------------------- - ------------------------------------- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:58:11 -0700 From: superbob Subject: Sinister: seconds of light could someone tell me please when the new release date of the new single e.p. or whatever it's called is. i know it got changed but i forgot. thanks. - -brad - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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I think the packaging ideas Jason comes up with are unique and interesting. in morning for tigger lost his head, nate - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:43:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Yummycats at xxx.com Subject: Re: Sinister: Domain membership of list In a message dated 97-09-23 14:32:10 EDT << >Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these >countries, and how did people hear about them? >> Rolling Stone on America OnLine had a standout review of Sinister, providing a few sound samples. A few weeks later, after searching in recordstore after recordstore, I finally found a copy. But it's terribly unfair that the new e.p.'s haven't been released here in the U.S. They're not even in the import shops. It's very frustrating to not be able to find your favorite music. I thought about ordering them directly from Jeepster, but I'm not even sure that's possible. I can't even find their address (not printed on the us edition of Sinister). (sigh). yummycats - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:46:49 +0100 From: J Jackson Subject: Sinister: Dubs of Tigermilk Why is everyone going on about Dub versions of Tigermilk? Is this some kind of remix, perhaps heralding the band's new direction? can we expect a remix of 'The State I Am In' by Smiley Culture or something. Have I missed the point. JJ Dipsy hat! Dipsy hat! Fancy that! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:59:46 +0100 From: J Jackson Subject: Sinister: Spiritualized Ladies And Gentlemen we are floating in Space is one of the finest albums of this year.. and is 12.99 overly expensive?? I paid 12.99 for my If You're Feeling Sinister CD. stop moaning JJ x Dipsy hat! Dipsy hat! Fancy that! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:19:36 -0400 From: tanya Subject: Re: Sinister: Domain membership of list Spin on AOL has a review of Sinister as well (plug plug) and you can write to- P.O. Box 14153 London, SW11 4XU or visit the website which has all the info- http://www.totalweb.co.uk/belleandsebastian Yummycats at aol.com wrote: > Rolling Stone on America OnLine had a standout review of Sinister, providing > a few sound samples. A few weeks later, after searching in recordstore after > recordstore, I finally found a copy. But it's terribly unfair that the new > e.p.'s haven't been released here in the U.S. They're not even in the import > shops. It's very frustrating to not be able to find your favorite music. I > thought about ordering them directly from Jeepster, but I'm not even sure > that's possible. I can't even find their address (not printed on the us > edition of Sinister). (sigh). > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:55:19 -0700 From: superbob Subject: Re: Sinister: Domain membership of list i found my copy of "lazy line painter jane" at wax n' facts in atlanta. it was over in the cdsingle box thing they have. as for dog on wheels, i got it through secret sounds. http://www.secretsounds.com they shipped it pretty fast. it's probably where i'll order seconds of light also. so if you're in the states and having trouble finding the singles, go to secretsounds site. - -brad > > A few weeks later, after searching in recordstore after > > recordstore, I finally found a copy. But it's terribly unfair that the new > > e.p.'s haven't been released here in the U.S. They're not even in the import > > shops. It's very frustrating to not be able to find your favorite music. I > > thought about ordering them directly from Jeepster, but I'm not even sure > > that's possible. I can't even find their address (not printed on the us > > edition of Sinister). (sigh). > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:55:53 +0200 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net Subject: Re: Sinister: Bootlegs ByTheSea6 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-09-23 12:39:35 EDT, oc245d8aff at colon.net writes: > > > If the band were real scumbags, they could release it > >in a limited edition format at a ludicrously high price, like Ladies > and > >Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space in a special pill poppers packet. > > I wouldn't call Spiritualized "scumbags" because they indulge in > costly > packaging. I mean, that's their bag, and it's not like you can't get > the > album for normal price if you are not a obsessive collector. I think > the > packaging ideas Jason comes up with are unique and interesting. > > in morning for tigger lost his head, > > nate > I didn't mean to call them scumbags. I don't know why I said that. I admit that it's a very intriguing package, I just think the music should come before collectability, I suppose. As you say, it's their bag (nice use of Austin Powers terminology! :-)) Maybe my singling out of Spiritualized comes from the fact that I can't get their bloody album at all in Spain. Quite frustrating because I really liked the last one. So apologies to Jasonheads everywhere :-! Peter - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:42:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Skreddy56 at xxx.com Subject: Re: Sinister: Spiritualized << and is 12.99 overly expensive?? I paid 12.99 for my If You're Feeling Sinister CD. >> I do believe they were referring to the 12 cd box of the album which went for the equivalent of $120. As for the Tigermilk bootlegging problem, all that Jeepster needs to do is put on a demo or a live song or something and everyone will go buy it again even if they already had a good CD copy. That's my 2 cents. By the way, when does the Ink Poloroid contest end? Today I learned that international money orders cost upwards of $7.50, so I'm going to try my hand at winning a shirt before I plunk down over 25 dollars on one (that's about L17 or 125FF, for those of you not familiar with American currency). - --Matt ps- Ben-- got your tape the other day and yours is winging it's way to you now. Thanks. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:39:25 +0200 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net Subject: Sinister: Spiritualized Before a cyber-brawl breaks out, please let me explain myself... I did not, nor would I ever, call Jason Scumbag a Spaceman. I like his band, I liked his old band, I do a really good impersonation of Sonic Boom. On the odd occasions that I pass through Rugby on the train I always look for their old house on Railway Terrace. i don't know why I picked on their inventive packaging to criticise. It might as well have been the special gold edition of "The Piano" soundtrack. I only wanted to make a typically dubious point about demand and supply. I don't usually abuse people, I think this little misunderstanding was the result of flying fingers annd brain on the blink. Can I get off the naughty chair now? Having said all that, I do favour traditional CD packaging, anything else just messes up your CD shelf and gets all scuffed and knackered anyway. The most ludicrous example I own, both musically and otherwise, is the super gatefold edition of "Space Ritual" by Hawkwind, complete with rubbish sci-fi stories and pictures of rude dancers. Should I get back on the naughty chair for admitting that? Peter - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:19:33 +0100 From: "Andrew O'Sullivan" Subject: Sinister: Compo This one is of a group of us in a little tavern behind New College. We don't look really *happy*, but that's just because we've only just met, at a record fair half an hour earlier, and we're all a little confused. Little Soozy is pointing at someone and looking very impressed but a little scared. She won't tell us who he is, but she probably fancies him anyway. The wasp under the glass on the table is not dead; the barman in the background with the blue hair and tie is the one who will soon enough lift up the glass and give the insect its freedom again. He nearly got stung while lifting up the glass, and walked off muttering something. The kitchen window in the top left is where the nice smells, which make us a little more relaxed, are coming from. The sign next to the window has writing too small to be made out here, but the general message was that the pub has never hosted funeral receptions of major rock 'n' roll legends. I don't think we were meant to understand - it's probably an in-joke. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:44:49 +0200 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Sinister: Barcelona gig review erm, i think the actual reference might possibly be about the film "don't look back" filmed by DA pennebaker, a B. Dylan tour film... sorry for being pedantic, but i thought it was quite obvious... love, alan > It all went by so fast I can't really remember the set list, most of > which I didn't recognise anyway. They did "Dylan in the Movies", which > has always been one of my least favourite songs because it reminds me > of...well, Dylan in the movies, namely the terrible film....whoops, > can't find my Dylanology books...I think it's called "Streets of Fire" > or something equally ludicrous. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:33:22 +0000 From: ".j 0n" Subject: Sinister: songs for today. (chords) hello nice people of the b+s list, 1) 'this is just a modern rock song' D A this is just a modern rock song this id just a sorry lament G D we're four boys in our corduroys were not perfect but were D-> competent.. D/A/G/D this progession runs through-out the whole song.. 2) 'we rule the school ' C G F C on a beech tree rudely carved, NC was here F C G Why did she do it was she scared, was she bored? - ------------------------------------------------ lovely lovely song..*sigh* so um....anyone else got any ideas... ?? bye bye jon (of glasto poem..blah blah..) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Barnes Subject: Sinister: Best Freudian Slip Ever? (was: Spiritualized) "Before a cyber-brawl breaks out, please let me explain myself... I did not, nor would I ever, call Jason Scumbag a Spaceman. I like his band..." I do this all the time during meetings. Once, I meant to tell my boss that she had a good idea, but for some reason I blurted out that she had great legs. B&S tie in... let me think... oh yeah, another time I was explaining how wonderful the band is to a coworker, and I told her my favorite song was 'Dog in Heels'. I almost corrected myself immediately but then I looked down and, yep, this lady was wearing high heels. Argh! - -Clint ____________________________ clint barnes Electronic Publishing clbarnes at cisco.com (408) 526-8379 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:39:53 -0400 (EDT) From: MWaggner at xxx.com Subject: Sinister: Re: Bootlegs I have to agree with what seems to be shaping up as the majority opinion on the "bootleg" issue. I have just heard a tape of Tigermilk and it is lovely - -- I like the acoustic feel of some of the songs, and the simplicity I guess I'd call it, compared to ... Sinister. However, dub quality is usually less than wonderful, and it would be great to have a cleaner copy. I read the first mailing about putting Tigermilk on CD not as a bootlegging venture, but as a way to exchange copies (as is being done on tape) in a cleaner, more listener-friendly format. In any event, if the band does not intend to re-release the album then they would not be losing any money at all if people are exchanging (or even selling) CD copies. I would hazard a guess that most people who might purchase a "bootleg" copy would indeed buy any eventual re-release as well. Especially if it had an added track, as is suggested elsewhere. Look at all the people who buy both the vinyl and CD of releases by bands they like -- do bands release on vinyl expecting that it is going to other than a collectors item for most people? It's a marketing decision because people will buy the vinyl AND the CD. I would never buy a bootleg version of a regularly released album -- but there are bootlegs I will buy if that is the only way to get the material. I would much prefer that the artist get the money him/her self, but if the artist has made the choice to pass on making that money... I don't feel wonderful about it, but my curiousity usually gets the best of me. Let's all just beg B&S to re-release Tigermilk and end this whole debate. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:35:21 +0100 From: David & Katrina Subject: Re: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S The problem with the bootleg argument seems solely set on one point, "Are Belle and Sebastian intending to re-release Tigermilk?". Sadly the only people that honestly know the answer are the band and they're not letting on. I think that this has more to do with the fact that they may not want old material to clash with new material. Especially as their new material is so good. It's hypocritical, but even though I desperately want Tigermilk re-issued, I don't want to slow down the recording or release schedule of new material. This would inevitably happen if Tigermilk were released again. And surely even in the states where Tigermilk was never released you'd still like to see the first major release on a new label to be new material, even in the form of the singles album plus additional tracks like 'modern rock song'. Ah, it's an impossible debate, we are all protective of them and we all want Tigermilk re-issued, and there'll never be such thing as a quiet re-issue of it. What are we to do, eh? David (my opinions do NOT reflect or come from Jeepster, please don't mingle them, the Jeepster opinion is from Mark Jones and my girlfriend's - and we bicker enough already!) - -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ******************************************************************** - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:06:07 -0400 (EDT) From: jj heldmann Subject: Re: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, David & Katrina wrote: > want Tigermilk re-issued, I don't want to slow down the recording or > release schedule of new material. This would inevitably happen if > Tigermilk were released again. maybe i'm just slow, but why would re-releasing Tigermilk slow down the recording schedule (or release) of new material? They've already said the new lp won't come out til next year, the new single is ready for release, so how would oh, say re-releasing Tigermilk next month or two months from now or whenever, slow down the process? > And surely even in the states where Tigermilk was never released you'd > still like to see the first major release on a new label to be new > material, even in the form of the singles album plus additional tracks > like 'modern rock song'. actually I for one would rather see Tigermilk be the first major release. Singles comps with an extra track or two are a pain if you've impatiently already shelled out for the import singles - you just have to buy it all over again (which of course, I will certainly be doing - hell, i've got Tigermilk on vinyl but if it comes out on cd i'll be first in line to get it just so i don't wear out the vinyl!) but what do i know? xo jj - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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Here it is: > > Number of people Domain > 86 US Commercial > 63 United Kingdom > 35 US Educational > 26 Network (could mean anywhere) > 9 France > 4 Sweden > 4 Australia > 3 US Organization > 3 Greece > 2 Netherlands > 2 Spain > 2 Germany > 2 Brazil > 1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) > 1 Thailand > 1 New Zealand > 1 Norway > 1 Japan > 1 Iceland > 1 Ireland > 1 Canada > > This is for both the list and the digest. > > Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these > countries, and how did people hear about them? > > Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. > > Paul > mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > take care, - - aL - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:03:51 +0100 From: Eric Fauquembergue - Softools Subject: Sinister: B&S : France I'm another listee from France. I've heard of B&S when they opened for Tindersticks in a concert at the = ICA in London. I was not there, but as I am a big fa of Tindersticks, I = decided to purchase B&S If you're feeling sinister album. I was in = England at that time, so I had no problem in finding it at HMV. B&S EPs are available as import in France. Sinister LP has been = officially released recently. They are promoted by a national radio = (France Inter) and the major record store company (FNAC). BTW, they are supposed to perform a live session for this radio in early = 98, before the release of the next album. Eric - -- Eric Fauquembergue - -- Softools - -- efauquembergue at softools.fr - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:47:53 +0100 From: Keith Watson Subject: RE: Sinister: Dubs of Tigermilk Why is everyone going on about Dub versions of Tigermilk? Is this some kind of remix, perhaps heralding the band's new direction? [Keith Watson] =20 Yes - there's an On-U sound "yabba yabba" mix coming out in place of the = real album, it comes free with some "stuff" in a sealed envelope. Presuming Dub is an American term for copy, just out of interest, to = the Americans out there, what's your term for the sort of music that Lee = Perry makes? Keith. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:14:19 +0100 From: Keith Watson Subject: RE: Sinister: State I'm in and cover versions On a deeply trivial but nonetheless B&S-related side issue: someone = said that Stuart Murdoch is 24. Was he a boy genius (which is=20 eminently possible), as I've been told he was at Glasgow University = in 1989? [Keith Watson] =20 As far as I'm aware, he's a lot older than that - it says on the back of = Tigermilk that he's a lot older than he looks, Chris has also stated in = interviews that he's a lot older than the rest of them. Cheers, Keith. ps: Nathan- tried to mail you this morning, have Edinburgh Uni gone and = cancelled your account, as the mail bounced, anyway, mail me at = keith at qss.co.uk (Nathan and I met in the pub last night - a sort of "virtual cyber = friends meeting", if anyone else from the list in the Glasgow/Edinburgh = area fancies a night out, post on the list and we'll have a meeting, = perhaps we could go to the Grosvenor Cafe in Ashton lane - and be just = like the sad old kids that go on the Smiths tour of Manchester, signing = their names on the Salford Lads club... Alternatively, we could go to the pub. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . 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For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Sep 24 16:48:02 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:48:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: RE: sinister-digest V1 #20 (fwd) Message-ID: From: "Matthew A. Neimark" > In other B&S news, the band was given a brief mention in the New Yorker > magazine within an article on Britpop (or Dadrock as they called it). The > article was mainly concerned with bands such as Radixhexd and Oxxxs (wasn't > sure if my message would get through if I mentioned these bands). Dadrock - mmmm, like it. Deadrock? Fauxrock? Never mind you have reminded me I should add some more filters on incoming mail :) While I'm on here's a message I wrote after hols but never sent - inspired by some of the stuff I read when I got back: I was very touched by messages from a few about the B&S music experience being so special. Particularly Nicola's "Free National Express Tea" story; and "superbob" about the "rightness" of B&S's music. This was my experience too - the moment I heard Sinister (yes, I'm also not a real fan) everything went gooey and I realised that this was what I had been waiting for - there's something so "right" about every turn and twist of the melody that I sometimes get suspicious it's been engineered with knowledge of my personal DNA make-up. In fact I could almost write an Ink Polaroid (I'm not allowed to enter so it's allowed to be crap...): "This one is of me lying in bed under my quilt with my headphones on: listening to "Sinister" for the first time. Linda just walked in the room and is giving me that funny smile when she's about to take the piss, but you can't see that because she's behind the camera. "Fox In The Snow" has just started up - I remember because I'd just been following the chord changes through the first verse into the chorus and couldn't believe how right it all was and how I felt a bit emotional. My feet are sticking out the end of the duvet because I got very hot - you often do with M.E. Splat is sitting next to me on the bed and staring at the camera too - she's got those funny staring uncomprehending eyes she sometimes gets when you look at her. She's hoping she can stay all night but knows she can't really get away with it - you can see her hairs all over the duvet. She looks tired because she spent half an hour chasing the light from a torch across the kitchen floor just before. There should be another one of me when I got to "Judy", but it got all blurred because Linda opened the camera before it unwound. It was just when I heard the school recorders playing and got all excited and started telling Linda about it, frantically, like I always do about music, but louder than I should because of the headphones." Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfuchs at xxx.ie Wed Sep 24 17:15:33 1997 From: sfuchs at xxx.ie (Sven Fuchs) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:15:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: seconds of light Message-ID: <199709241615.RAA01570@bremen.nmrc.ucc.ie> I was just yesterday in the official website, news&events and there they said that the new ep will be released 13/10/97 Sven ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Wed Sep 24 18:35:18 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:35:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: stuart's age / badges / new single on radio Message-ID: <0039600000172407000002L072*@MHS> >>On a deeply trivial but nonetheless B&S-related side >>issue: someone said that Stuart Murdoch is 24. >As far as I'm aware, he's a lot older than that - it says >on the back of Tigermilk that he's a lot older than he >looks, Chris has also stated in interviews that he's a lot >older than the rest of them. and a lot odder 8) 28 i read somewhere although that was a while ago. which makes university in 1989 plausible. the new ink movies on the web site put chris and isobel as 20. 28 is a lot older than 20 especially when you are 20. badges: speaking of badges, there were new(ish) ones available at the cmj gig, the same as the old patch badges but only an inch in diameter (whereas the original ones were rather larger). they also came mounted on bits of card with the band and lp name on them (as the badges themselves aren't really any use as promotional items if you don't know who they pertain to). bloke in local record shop spotted my t-shirt the other day and made appreciative comments. my boss heard b&s on the radio this morning. woman presenter said it'd just arrived. 'it's shit' was his comment but i think he was winding me up, the simply red listening twit that he is. so, start hunting around those used record shops now then... oh, the thread that was headed 'matt h's comments', should it've been 'matt n's comments' or did someone post something about matt's comments on the shinkansen web page where he's disparaging about b&s? www.users.dircon.co.uk/shink or ~shink or something. andy who bought the dipsy version of the new radio times this morning. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Wed Sep 24 19:20:24 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:20:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re: forbidden words Message-ID: <0039600000172722000002L022*@MHS> >Dadrock - mmmm, like it. Deadrock? Fauxrock? Never mind you >have reminded me I should add some more filters on incoming >mail :) um, i think you should try putting 'tigermilk' into the verbotten list too. ooh, controversial... 8) andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From barzy at xxx.com Wed Sep 24 19:34:27 1997 From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:34:27 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Re: 3..6..9..seconds of light Message-ID: oh my God....pant....pant...I can't breathe!!!! Someone just gave me 3..6..9.. seconds of light if they keep getting better and better they might just pop.... if i don't first.. xoxo bethaberdork ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From barzy at xxx.com Wed Sep 24 19:39:00 1997 From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:39:00 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Re: 3..6..9..seconds of light Message-ID: Anyone know.....The cover......Is that Stewart? It kinda looks like him.... xo beth ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a-bergman at xxx.edu Wed Sep 24 19:42:07 1997 From: a-bergman at xxx.edu (Amanda Bergman) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:42:07 -0500 Subject: Sinister: badges (or pins, as we call them here) In-Reply-To: <0039600000172407000002L072*@MHS> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970924134207.006ace00@hecky.acns.nwu.edu> >badges: speaking of badges, there were new(ish) ones >available at the cmj gig, the same as the old patch >badges but only an inch in diameter (whereas the >original ones were rather larger). they also came >mounted on bits of card with the band and lp name on >them... I received on of those 1" pins at the other B&S NYC show (the public one the day after the CMJ show) and have been wearing it on my bag faithfully ever since in the hopes that someone walking behind me will stop me in my cross-campus trek and say "Isn't that a Belle and Sebastian pin?" But so far, no one seems to have noticed it...maybe I need something more blatant, like a t-shirt... au reservoir, Amanda ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bwret at xxx.com Wed Sep 24 20:52:05 1997 From: bwret at xxx.com (Alex Ward) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Singles! Message-ID: I don't understand all the fuss about getting the first 2 singles on CD. I just stopped by the shop where my friend does orders. He had both Dog and Lazy in, and said he's had no problems getting them at all. So I'm really excited now, after getting Tigermilk on monday, now more new tunes! (plus the new stereolab to boot!!!) <- non B&S material. take care -alex in califor-nI-A ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From carsegus at xxx.es Wed Sep 24 10:57:28 1997 From: carsegus at xxx.es (Carlos) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:57:28 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Barcelona gig review References: <3427A1F7.251F58DC@colon.net.> Message-ID: <3428E408.3153@ergos.es> oc245d8aff at colon.net wrote: > It all went by so fast I can't really remember the set list, most of > which I didn't recognise anyway. > "Like Dylan in the Movies" > "Wash Your Feet in the Sea", > "Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying", I remember other songs that were played: - an instrumental to openning - Lazy Lane Painter Jane - You Made Me Forget My Dreams - Century of Fakers - A Century of Elvis? - a new song in which Isobel was the lead vocal - a bunch of new ones It was a great night because the Magnetic Fields played just before that Belle and Sebastian and both for free! Hi Peter I'm the other spanish listie Carlos carsegus at ergos.es ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Wed Sep 24 23:32:38 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:32:38 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: Singles! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Alex Ward wrote: > (plus the new stereolab to boot!!!) <- non B&S material. Yes but acceptable because it's a great album - what about track 7 eh? References to Stereolab and the Teletubbies win extra kudos. And I counted 3 Teletubbies references in the last two days. This list is going well. Besides there are lots of tenous connections. B&S have a new single with a French title. Stereolab do lots of French and are Frenchish. There are lots of French people on this list. And if the Teletubbies aren't big in France they should be. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cateran at xxx.com Wed Sep 24 19:27:18 1997 From: cateran at xxx.com (Sandy Blair) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:27:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: State I'm in and cover versions Message-ID: > And I would love to hear B&S cover Josef K's Sorry for Laughing (from > The Only Fun in Town) Which was covered by Propoganda... he added pointlessly. Of course there is already a rather tenuous connection... look at the book on the cover of Sinister! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From plaird at xxx.uk Thu Sep 25 03:40:58 1997 From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 02:40:58 +0000 Subject: Sinister: RE: 3=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=8a6=8a9_Seconds_of_Light?= Message-ID: <199709250132.CAA31620@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> >oh my God....pant....pant...I can't breathe!!!! >Someone just gave me 3..6..9.. seconds of light >if they keep getting better and better >they might just pop.... >if i don't first.. >xoxo >bethaberdork I got sent the promo CD yesterday morning and have found myself singing (well, more like mumbling) 'Le Pastie De La Bourgeosie' all day, in the oddest of places - like in B&Q while buying plaster! I'm not going to attempt to review any of it. You'll all buy itŠ You'll all love it!! ­ but you'll have to wait for a couple of weeks for it. (am I beginning to sound smug? I apologise - but I can't help it) I don't know if the vinyl will have it but there's a groovy little semi-accoustic number about 20 seconds after 'Put the Book Back on The Shelf' (and it's 2 and a half minutes long) Here are the lyrics: Belle & Sebastian on the Radio, Playing Songs for Children, Belle & Sebastian on the Radio, Playing Songs to Learn and Sing, (repeat) Belle & Sebastian on the Radio, and we're really sorry, for all the trouble we've caused, and all the trouble we've causedŠ This Wee song is screaming out to be anylysed. Does it have a Pastels reference ('Songs for Children')? Mind you, on that reasoning it would have an Echo and The Bunnymen reference - not so good I think. Are they apologising for their avoidance of media relations, or for blatantly putting out quality songs which are threatening to chart. Maybe they're apologising to us for not re-releasing Tigermilk! Who knows? To any of you resident in Edinburgh (or nearabouts) this means I'll be playing at least 'A Century of Fakers' & 'Le PastieŠ' at The Egg on Saturday. Keith Watson wrote: >if anyone else from the list in the Glasgow/Edinburgh area >fancies a night out, post on the list and we'll have a meeting, >perhaps we could go to the Grosvenor Cafe in Ashton laneŠ I'm up for that (but not on a Saturday, mind). Mail me if you've got something organised. Cheers, Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cc297 at xxx.ca Thu Sep 25 05:58:49 1997 From: cc297 at xxx.ca (Alvin de Leon) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: musicshop In-Reply-To: <199709250132.CAA31620@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: hello! Is there anybody from the list who dared to order some stuff online from Musicshop IMVS in UK??.. their website is : http://www.musicshop.co.uk anybody who is familiar with the mailorder please email me privately. au revoir take care, - aL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Sep 25 07:48:39 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:48:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: RE: 369 Seconds of Light References: <199709250132.CAA31620@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: <342A0946.3AED54F8@mail.zynet.co.uk> plaird wrote: > I got sent the promo CD yesterday morning and > have found myself > singing (well, more like mumbling) 'Le Pastie De > La Bourgeosie' all > day, in the oddest of places - like in B&Q while > buying plaster! i've been singing it (and playing it) all day long in class... the younger kids hate it because it's not the backstret boys but the older kids, well the hip ones think it's all pretty cool. i of course adore it, but you knew that already. working on a dumb 'review' piece even as we speak (cue for a band of excellent repute) the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MNOL1 at xxx.au Fri Sep 26 01:10:23 1997 From: MNOL1 at xxx.au (MNOL1) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:10:23 -0700 Subject: Sinister: (no subject) Message-ID: <01IO2FKIOKBM9863R3@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> index sinister ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Thu Sep 25 09:32:36 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:32:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Did some chords last night... Message-ID: <01BCC995.F67C1B90@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Sorry, too lazy to put them below the words, you'll just have to work that out yourselves... Sleep the clock around: E - B - C#m - A repeat until end... dead easy A Century of Fakers: Verse : D - A6 - G - D - G - D - A Chorus : Bm - G - D - A Get me away I'm dying: Verse : F# - C# - Ebm - Bbm - B - F# - B - C# F# - C# - Ebm - Bbm - B - F# - Ab - B Chorus : (C# - B) x 3 Ebm - Bbm (B - F#') x4 And that's it. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From wow at xxx.uk Thu Sep 25 12:45:54 1997 From: wow at xxx.uk (totv) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 11:45:54 -0000 Subject: Sinister: help, I've lost your address Message-ID: <875183974.1019686.0@totv.demon.co.uk> Hello, I promised someone a dub of 'Tigermilk' he sent his address to me and I have very stupidly lost it. You lived in Northern Ireland but that is all I remember. Email me again and I will send it off straight away. I can even put the new EP on the tape which I have accidentally got hold of. Hopefully hear from you soon ROB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Thu Sep 25 14:02:04 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:02:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Domain membership of list (fwd) Message-ID: Kaori gave me permission to forward this to the list - thought it might be of interest to some - news of B&S's Japanese profile! Paul mailto:owener-sinister at majordomo.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:53:23 +0900 From: Kaori Laird To: Honey Subject: Re: Sinister: Domain membership of list Hello there, I am that 1 subscriber in Japan. Here is the B&S informations in this country. TOSHIBA EMI just released "If you're -"LP. I am not sure if this is due the the TOSHIBA's big promotion on B&S or not, but most of the music mazgazine reviews, here in Japan, are very - hmmmm, supportive - or welcoming. Most of the critics are taking B&S sounds as highly fashionable. To prove that, even in a Japanese fashion magazine called "FIGARO JAPON" which is quite hi-fashion magazine which is relevant to Harpers or Vogue in UK (or maybe more classy, because that magazine contains full of "the supermodels in more than GBP500 clothes with famous fashion photographers' shot" type). And the review in FIGARO is highly recommending B&S. It says, in Japanese music industry, B&S sounds are called in comparison as "minstrel of the modern age" I am not sure of the existance of "a fanclub" in Japan, yet. Anyway, B&S has TOSHIBA rabel in Japan now, so I will see B&S faces in a lot of Japanese music magazines very soon. P.S. I was sending "FIGARO JAPON" magazine to my friend Susan in Hamilton who is a friend of "Adrian". I wonder if this make sense to you.... Cherrio, KAORI ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MLONGAPH at xxx.NET Thu Sep 25 18:32:06 1997 From: MLONGAPH at xxx.NET (Mike Longaphie) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:32:06 -0700 Subject: Sinister: You're not alone/another canuck Message-ID: <342AA016.40B5@ECHO-ON.NET> > Wow...I'm the only lister from Canada =) > > - -Allan Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing, but obviously there's two of us. So get to fixing those numbers Paul! Anyways I had a hard time finding B&S in Canada. I did see it downtown at an HMV for $21.99 because it's an import here. I just waited until I went to the states and bought it for ,I believe, $11.49. I got "Dog On wheels" and "LLPJ" from Parasol. And John Stuart is gonna tape me Tigermilk as soon as I send him the tapes. Sorry John, but, as I'm sure most of you, tuition sucks. And oh yeah, I heard about them through the indie-pop list. And actually lately there's been about three or four reviews of the album in a couple of Toronto's weeklys. I think there's only been one positive one and the rest were all luke-warm. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MLONGAPH at xxx.NET Thu Sep 25 18:48:11 1997 From: MLONGAPH at xxx.NET (Mike Longaphie) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:48:11 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Perfect song for a rainy day Message-ID: <342AA3DB.3BB9@ECHO-ON.NET> I was on the bus today and it was shitty weather as usual, pouring rain and cold and gross. And then "Fox in the Snow" came through my walkman and everything was perfect and fine and.... just right. Probably the most fitting song, for the moment, I've ever heard. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Thu Sep 25 20:50:55 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:50:55 -0700 Subject: Sinister: i hate coming up with a subject every time Message-ID: <342AC09F.67D0@earthlink.net> hey again. i'm on a couple of other lists and it seems that every day, someone is recommending another band. i've noticed that i've heard no recommendations from this list (since i've been on it at least). now, i know we can't all be listening to nothing but belle and sebastian, so what is everyone out there listening to? i'll start off with a recommendation of my own. now, i know a lot of you are tindersticks fans as well. well, i have another band. lambchop. they are i guess what the tindersticks would be if they grew up in tennessee and were raised on country music. there's about 11 or 12 members in the band, everything ranging from tuba to "open-ended wrenches"? if you like the tindersticks, you'll like lambchop. almost guaranteed. that's my recommendation. they have a new album out "thriller" but i haven't got my hands on it yet. but i recommend "jack's tulips / i hope you're sitting down" their first album. bye. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From barzy at xxx.com Thu Sep 25 18:12:55 1997 From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:12:55 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Re: they say in never rains in..... Message-ID: It's amazing how different a song can sound when it rains. I've never listened to Belle & Sebastian in the rain before....I can't recall the last time it rained in LA.....Driving to work I actually had my windshield wipers on....they were smacking round to the exact tune of "Judy And The Dream Of Horses."....Right then I realized i'd not heard that song since I saw B&E in NYC, and I was taken right back there to a room full of glowing people who weren't thinking about anything except Belle & Sebastian, all thinking at once..."I can't believe i'm here." I just remember the trumpet and drums kicking in and EVERYONE slightly bouncing up and down on their feet, and feeling the hard-wood floor underneath completely moving. I remember Matt Neimark turning round and having this "oh...my....God...." look on his face, and seeing tears starting to fill Felicia's eyes......It was the most incredible exchange of energy i've ever felt....And everyone, was looking at Stewart. I had to refocus my eyes on the road so I didn't run off, re-watching this all in my head....And, of course, by the time the cd had started over and made it half-way through "The Stars Of Track And Field" I was crying, it was raining harder, and I was pulling into the parking lot where I work. funny what a little rain does to people in California. xo beth ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Yummycats at xxx.com Thu Sep 25 17:15:59 1997 From: Yummycats at xxx.com (Yummycats at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: recommended bands Message-ID: <970925121519_-1431148314@emout13.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-25 11:42:04 EDT << i'm on a couple of other lists and it seems that every day, someone is recommending another band. i've noticed that i've heard no recommendations from this list (since i've been on it at least). now, i know we can't all be listening to nothing but belle and sebastian, so what is everyone out there listening to? >> I would have to recommend the Lilac Time, though the lyrics can be pretty silly at times. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfuchs at xxx.ie Thu Sep 25 17:55:20 1997 From: sfuchs at xxx.ie (Sven Fuchs) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:55:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: recommendation Message-ID: <199709251655.RAA02009@bremen.nmrc.ucc.ie> I always thought that b&s are a worthy reincarnation of the band of holy joy. they stopped 1990 and left a huge hole in my musical landscape. Sven ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From samiam2 at xxx.com Thu Sep 25 20:24:49 1997 From: samiam2 at xxx.com (Sam Khater) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:24:49 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Re: recommended bands - Lilac Time References: <970925121519_-1431148314@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <342ABA80.5B71E7E7@ix.netcom.com> yes, yes, yes....Q compared 'Sinister' very favorably to the Lilac's debut. They said that Sinister was the best 'folk' debut since the Lilac Time. Personally, I think Sinister sounds more like the Lilac's 'Astronauts', which is their most acoustic album. Sam Yummycats at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-09-25 11:42:04 EDT > > << i'm on a couple of other lists and it seems that every day, someone is > recommending another band. i've noticed that i've heard no > recommendations from this list (since i've been on it at least). now, i > know we can't all be listening to nothing but belle and sebastian, so > what is everyone out there listening to? >> > > I would have to recommend the Lilac Time, though the lyrics can be pretty > silly at times. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Thu Sep 25 20:09:42 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:09:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: other groups / recommendations References: <342AC09F.67D0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <342AB6F6.7EAC6362@mail.zynet.co.uk> > now, i know a lot of you are tindersticks fans > as well. well, i have > another band. lambchop. they are i guess what > the tindersticks would be > if they grew up in tennessee and were raised on > country music. there's > about 11 or 12 members in the band, everything > ranging from tuba to > "open-ended wrenches"? if you like the > tindersticks, you'll like > lambchop. almost guaranteed. > that's my recommendation. they have a new album > out "thriller" but i > haven't got my hands on it yet. but i recommend > "jack's tulips / i hope > you're sitting down" their first album. i've had Thriller for about a month now and i've played it a fair amount. i like it... i like the 10" they did a while back as well. They are peculiar, have an odd axis that appeals, and hey, i like country music anyway, largely speaking. Um, anyway Thriller is worth investigating, not least because we have songs on there by FM Cornog, who, the eager eyed amongst you will realize, is the sometime genius behind the very fine East River Pipe. Other recommendations: just picked up the Photek LP and you'd probably hate it but i think it's rather fine. Also imagine my amazement to see 'Circles' by Alex F at #20 in the UK singles charts! Only a couple of years late... sigh. What next, Bukem on TOTP? Barbles on about drum'n'bass for too long, therebay getting all the lists hackles up (except Alex! Respect to him... and anyone else who i'm blanketing). Kerouac's beckoning with open arms... that's my B&S reference :-) the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Thu Sep 25 23:18:36 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:18:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: ISP help needed! Message-ID: <342AE33C.55A6F86A@virgin.net> we're currently on virgin net and are having hell with their mail server. does anyone know of an extremely reliable service available in London or nationally at reasonable rates. my criteria are: 100% access good download speeds very reliable POP3 mailbox and maybe a bride of some web space (you can never have enough!) sorry it's a post about Belle and Sebastian. I'll return to normal soon. Please mail the response privately to spare the list. David Kitchen -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen at virgin.net ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From steve at xxx.uk Fri Sep 26 00:38:22 1997 From: steve at xxx.uk (Steve Genge) Date: 26 Sep 1997 00:38:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: & your name is..... Message-ID: <68DC7544.MD-0.196.steve@seahorses.demon.co.uk> Hi all, Now as it appears several people on the list have got copies of the Seconds Of Light EP I'd like to throw the following morsel into the soup & give it a stir. There's no mention of the band or title on the front of the sleeve, is this a good idea? It's easy enough to confuse the customers in our shop at the best of times :) Will it get overlooked by potential buyers because of this or will a tasteless sticker be added before it's released? Damn you Mr. Duke I was going to mention the East River Pipe/Lambchop connection & you beat me to it :) If people out there haven't heard East River Pipe you really should. Current stuff worth cocking an ear to would include the top notch remixes of Psyche Rock by Pierre Henry (whole album out on monday too) and in the very near future the tragically last album by Billy MacKenzie called "Beyond The Sun" coming out on Nude in the UK. see ya, -- [--------------------------------------------------------------------] steve genge steve at seahorses.demon.co.uk [--------------------------------------------------------------------] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From clbarnes at xxx.com Fri Sep 26 02:00:45 1997 From: clbarnes at xxx.com (Clint Barnes) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: ISP help, kinda Message-ID: Well, this doesn't exactly answer your question, but I do have something to offer... I have 25 megs of server space in the U.S. (west coast) just sitting empty and if you'd like to use it as a U.S. mirror to your site, you are totally welcome to have it. I can give you the upload address and set up a password for you or I can move the files if you want. Also, I have a top-of-the-line PC and PowerMac in my office at work and an ethernet connection to the internet, so I can move files quickly and I also have access to great graphics/multimedia programs. So, if you ever need a resource for any of the above, or the server space, let me know. I get pretty bored here at work, and I'm usually around here 50-60 hours a week so I'd be happy to help out. -Clint ps-I wouldn't make this offer to anyone else but a Belle and Sebastian fan since they are the only band in the past two years that have made me feel that the current 'little guy' music scene isn't dead. ____________________________ clint barnes Electronic Publishing clbarnes at cisco.com (408) 526-8379 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From clbarnes at xxx.com Fri Sep 26 02:56:59 1997 From: clbarnes at xxx.com (Clint Barnes) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: i'm an idiot Message-ID: Sorry for, man am I dumb, responding to the list with that last message. Double sorry for this one. Tie in, let's see... OK, I was equally moronic today when installing a new PC at work and my boss wondered what the song was blaring out of my headphones. As she lifted the headset (which was playing String Bean Jean) I tried to help her because I knew the stupid ear pieces were going to fall off (I've broken them both by slamming the headset to the ground after particularly loud songs). Of course I missed the left piece and it fell to the ground. Of course I missed the right piece and it fell onto a chair. Of course I did not miss her chest which my uncoordinated hands fell onto. Jeez, another pornographic moment with a Belle & Sebastian soundtrack. Luckily my boss isn't much older than me and expects dumb behavior when she gets too close. AARRGGHH! Sorry everyone, Clint ____________________________ clint barnes Electronic Publishing clbarnes at cisco.com (408) 526-8379 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Fri Sep 26 07:22:13 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:22:13 -0700 Subject: Sinister: ring of fire Message-ID: <342B5495.7088@earthlink.net> the trumpet break in "dog on wheels" reminds me kind of in a round about way the trumpet part in "ring of fire" by the great johnny cash. just thought i'd let you know. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Sep 25 21:30:39 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:30:39 +0200 Subject: Sinister: other groups / recommendations References: <342AC09F.67D0@earthlink.net> <342AB6F6.7EAC6362@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <342AC9EF.B5927847@colon.net.> duke of harringay wrote: > Other recommendations: just picked up the Photek > LP and you'd probably hate it but i think it's > rather fine. Also imagine my amazement to see > 'Circles' by Alex F at #20 in the UK singles > charts! Only a couple of years late... sigh. > What next, Bukem on TOTP? Barbles on about > drum'n'bass for too long, therebay getting all the > lists hackles up (except Alex! Respect to him... > and anyone else who i'm blanketing). > > Alex F....did I read somewhere that he's Alvin Stardust's > son? Or am I "on one", as they used to say? I haven't heard Mister Photek's album. Needless to say it's unavailable here...I have bought some compilations, but sadly I've no idea whether they're any good or not. I have the same trouble with jazz. I need a jazz'n'jungle Yoda to show me the way. I bought the Chemical Brothers album when it came out on the strength of the "bringing the sixties up to date" hype. At first I didn't like it ever so much, but it's grown on me a lot. And I do like that bloke with the long hair. Blimey! I've just looked through my extensive drum'n'bass collection and lo! Photek - Rings Around Saturn. You can tell I don't listen to it much. Another reason I don't know whether it's any good or not is because it's got Everything But The Girl on it, and I don't know how they rate on the coolometer these days. I used have quite a fixation on them at first. I think I was thinking of Adam F earlier on. So anyway, the point is a lot of people don't dig techno rubbish and so onn because it's like a foreign language. But like a foreign language, time and patience works wonders. And an inexhaustible bank account helps too. The one I like best on this CD is Dillinja - The Angels Fell. My puny stereo can't cope with the monolithic bass. For the first time since the weekend's Belle fest in Barcelona, I'm feeling quite comfortable at home, so please forgive my endless ramblings off topic. Off topic for now, that is. Nobody knows what's round the corner for B&S.... Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Thu Sep 25 21:49:20 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:49:20 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Things to listen to Message-ID: <342ACE50.C379EC1B@colon.net.> The best thing I've bought in a long time is "Arkology" by Lee Perry and chums. The second best thing is Antonio Carlos Jobim's "Warner Archives" The third best thing is Led Zeppelin's "Remasters" which has improved a lot since I sold the tape version a couple of years ago. It's much better if you can skip out the crap ones annd get down to some serious riffing. On the indie front, I like "Chorus" by Flying Saucer Attack, which I was lucky enough to rescue from the bargain bucket. Really good muffled drum sounds. I also bought Chumbawamba, but I haven't got past the first song yet. I suppose everyone's mightily sick of it by now, but it makes me feel a bit homesick. But not much. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Fri Sep 26 05:20:53 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 06:20:53 +0200 Subject: Sinister: & your name is..... References: <68DC7544.MD-0.196.steve@seahorses.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <342B3824.6216EE1C@colon.net.> Steve Genge wrote: > Hi all, > > Now as it appears several people on the list have got > copies of the > Seconds Of Light EP I'd like to throw the following morsel > into the > soup & give it a stir. > > There's no mention of the band or title on the front of > the sleeve, is > this a good idea? It's easy enough to confuse the > customers in our > shop at the best of times :) Will it get overlooked by > potential > buyers because of this or will a tasteless sticker be > added before > it's released? Words would spoil a perfect picture. Much as I love the record, I think the picture's even better. At least for me, at least this morning. Stickers are OK until time turns them into a gooey mess. I think they'll sell quite a few records on the strength of this beautiful picture. I was only half joking when I compared it to the nouvelle vague (sp?) directors. It's a total one off. I hope they make a nice t-shirt out of it, and a bloody big poster. Could anybody ask any art "experts"(!) they might know what they think about it? I'm curious to know whether I'm alone on this one or not, and whether it's just my biased opinion. If you don't know any art experts, ask your mum. Peter I wish I hadn't said art expert now. You know what I mean... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From escossia at xxx.br Fri Sep 26 07:44:24 1997 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 04:44:24 -0200 Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian Demos Message-ID: <07442452806161@secrel.com.br> How many Demos they have recorded in their early days ? Ben (thanks Ben) sent me a tape with 3 songs that i think are songs taken from a Demo tape. All of them are so great. ¤ Ivo Augusto ¤ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Fri Sep 26 09:29:16 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:29:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Things to listen to Message-ID: <01BCCA5F.8E275EE0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> The best thing I've bought in a long time is "Arkology" by Lee Perry and chums. [Keith Watson] I bought that too, it's bloody ace - love Errol Walker's "John Public" The second best thing is Antonio Carlos Jobim's "Warner Archives" The third best thing is Led Zeppelin's "Remasters" which has improved a lot since I sold the tape version a couple of years ago. It's much better if you can skip out the crap ones annd get down to some serious riffing. [Keith Watson] Bought the entire back catalogue a few weeks ago, totally ace too. On the indie front, I like "Chorus" by Flying Saucer Attack, which I was lucky enough to rescue from the bargain bucket. Really good muffled drum sounds. I also bought Chumbawamba, but I haven't got past the first song yet. I suppose everyone's mightily sick of it by now, but it makes me feel a bit homesick. But not much. [Keith Watson] Well... I fucking can't stand this sort of shite, used to hear them every week at this club we went to a few years ago in Edinburgh, my flatmate interviewed them for the Student newspaper, he played me the tape, it was all full of "You don't understand, the government's controlling the way you think" etc. you get the idea. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Fri Sep 26 10:04:12 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:04:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: other groups / recommendations In-Reply-To: <342AB6F6.7EAC6362@mail.zynet.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, duke of harringay wrote: > i've had Thriller for about a month now and i've > played it a fair amount. Yes I love Lambchop too, but I CAN'T GET THRILLER ANYWHERE! I will look properly on Saturday - by the way is it a remake of Mr Jackson's LP? Now I'd love the hear that done by Lambchop... :) Other than that I'm with duke on the "what else are we listening to" thread - I bet we find a huge variation of seemingly unrelated stuff, along with the Tindersticks and Arab Straps. I'm suffering from post-Summer "oh my God there are too many good albums being released" adrenaline-rush just now. I was, for instance, pretty taken by the first half of Cornershop's new LP this morning in the car: "When I Was Born For The 7th Time" - not just because the second track reminded me of my girlfriend's little squirrel-kicking cousin (Asha). Best happy British/Indian indie/hip-hop I've heard all day :) Anyone here Earthling's wonderful LP "Nefisa" - well it's like a distant friendlier cousin - with a sitar. So far.. New Stereolab's already been mentioned... new DJ Krush is a bit tasty, and, I'm sorry, I can't get over Bjork's "Homogenic" just now. Just slag me off in private.. This isn't very helpful is it, particularly if I add that I have trouble not listening to: Nick Cave, John Coltrane, Mouse On Mars, The Fall, Bill Evans, MBV, Lee Perry, Stina Nordenstam, DJ Shadow, Culture, Digable Planets, Serge Gainsbourg, Shellyan Orphan and (swoon) Disco Inferno for any extended period of time. None of this seems in anyway related to B&S. Phew, got away without mentioning Nick Drake. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk Fri Sep 26 13:28:42 1997 From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?stephen_trouss=E9?=) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:28:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Other groups etc Message-ID: <199709261231.NAA27986@orange.easynet.co.uk> > > This isn't very helpful is it, particularly if I add that I have > trouble not listening to: Nick Cave, John Coltrane, Mouse On Mars, > The Fall, Bill Evans, MBV, Lee Perry, Stina Nordenstam, DJ Shadow, > Culture, Digable Planets, Serge Gainsbourg, Shellyan Orphan It's weird you should mention Shelleyan Orphan - I was listening to an old tape of 'Century Flower' the other day. When it came out I had them pegged as just another faintly embarrassing 4ad group, but listening to it now it sounded really good - has the world changed or have I changed?! By the way, does anybody have any idea what book the girl is holding on the cover of Lazy Line Painter Jane? I've tried squinting, but I still can't make out the title... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Paul.Dean at xxx.uk Fri Sep 26 14:26:57 1997 From: Paul.Dean at xxx.uk (Paul Dean) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:26:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: recommended bands - Lilac Time Message-ID: Hello - i've been lurking for a while. I find it hard to write as i'm working in Boston at the moment so getting to my PC is kind of difficult! Anyway, i've finally been inspired to write by the mention of the truly wonderful Lilac Time. When I taped Tigermilk for someone I put 'Astronauts' on the other side - so this has got me thinking : what have other people taped on that inviting 45 blank minutes which could live up to the greatness of 'Tigermilk' & not force the listener to knacker their walkman batteries with constant rewinds? Oh & the person who said The Lilac Time's lyric's are silly, whaddya mean ? Stephen A.J Duffy always manages to slip in a wondeful couplet in EVERY song!! I have some more questions about The Lilac Time, but I'll not bore the list now. If you're a fan mail me privately - you may be able to help. Oh, & I've a spare vinyl copy of 'Astronauts' If anyones interested, get in touch. The only problem is it's 3,000 miles away, but I'm sure something can be sorted... S'later Paul paul.dean at druid.co.uk [unrequited love quite often grows, but never quite goes] >---------- >From: Sam Khater[SMTP:samiam2 at xxx.com] >Sent: 25 September 1997 15:24 >To: sinister at majordomo.net >Subject: Sinister: Re: recommended bands - Lilac Time > >yes, yes, yes....Q compared 'Sinister' very favorably to the Lilac's >debut. >They said that Sinister was the best 'folk' debut since the Lilac Time. >Personally, I think Sinister sounds more like the Lilac's 'Astronauts', >which >is their most acoustic album. > >Sam > >Yummycats at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 97-09-25 11:42:04 EDT >> >> << i'm on a couple of other lists and it seems that every day, someone is >> recommending another band. i've noticed that i've heard no >> recommendations from this list (since i've been on it at least). now, i >> know we can't all be listening to nothing but belle and sebastian, so >> what is everyone out there listening to? >> >> >> I would have to recommend the Lilac Time, though the lyrics can be pretty >> silly at times. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> . 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This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Fri Sep 26 14:28:50 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Ninette) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:28:50 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Felt records Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970926132850.0067b8dc@student.let.uva.nl> Hiya! Not sure if I mailed this correctly so here I go again: Is there anyone out there who's got any Felt records in their collection? I heard a bit of one of their albums, and I'd love to hear more...... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From nigelt at xxx.net Fri Sep 26 14:58:32 1997 From: nigelt at xxx.net (Nigel Turner) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:58:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Seeing Other Groups Message-ID: <01BCCA8C.A92C0D80@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Very difficult not to get carried away here (though I probably will). The only other group in the last couple of years or so who've got me as excited as B&S, have been Neutral Milk Hotel, who I'd wager very few on this list have even heard of. Which is a shame. I'd rate their '96 lp, "On Avery Island", together with "..Feeling Sinister" as the two best lp's of the 90's. Probably. Their music's been described as "drone folk", which might not sound too promising, but ain't too far wide of the mark, especially if you reckon B&S can be labelled "folk". Like B&S, NMH (as I shall henceforth call them) are centered around a songwriter of some genius, Jeff Mangum, and feature a wide range of musical instruments: banjo, accordian, musical saw (oh yes! I can't understand anyone needing a Theremin when you can have a musical saw!), as well as the usual guitar, bass, drums, keyboards. Mangum also has an incredible voice - much harsher than Stuart's - he can hold a note seemingly for ages. When I saw them at a festival in Providence, Rhode Island in April, they simply exploded into action. Nothing contrived or pompous, but you just thought....."Yeah, this is what a live band should be like......and, my god, that guy's playing the saw, banjo and synth......at the same time!". This was exactly how Belle & Sebastian made me feel when I saw them live for the first time, only a couple of months earlier. NMH are American, by the way. Watch out for them. I think I probably rambled on for quite enough. Apart from...... Can also recommend the new Yo La Tengo lp, the new Stereolab album (and their most recent collaboration with Nurse With Wound, which is possibly the best thing they've ever done, imho), almost anything on New York's Asphodel label (DJ Spooky, We, Tipsy - but that's probably a bit left-field for this list), Adventures in Stereo (yet more Glaswegian 60's-influenced pop), Broadcast, The Freed Unit......oh I'll shut up now. And finally - and back on topic - has anyone else noticed that "A Century Of Fakers" uses the same musical track as "A Century Of Elvis"? Nigel xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Yummycats at xxx.com Fri Sep 26 15:38:43 1997 From: Yummycats at xxx.com (Yummycats at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Felt records Message-ID: <970926103248_-730165986@emout20.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-26 09:32:15 EDT, you write: << Is there anyone out there who's got any Felt records in their collection? I heard a bit of one of their albums, and I'd love to hear more...... >> I have "The Strange Idols Pattern and Other Short Stories/Ignite the Seven Cannons" because Robin Guthrie produced half of it and Elizabeth Fraser is on the song "Primitive Painters". But I must say Lawrence's Fred Schneider-ish mostly spoken vocals get on my nerves so I don't listen to it that often. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ByTheSea6 at xxx.com Fri Sep 26 15:41:22 1997 From: ByTheSea6 at xxx.com (ByTheSea6 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: other groups / recommendations Message-ID: <970926104018_1956834219@emout13.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-26 05:06:17 EDT, psm at Majordomo.net writes: >I was, for instance, pretty taken by the first half of Cornershop's >new LP this morning in the car: "When I Was Born For The 7th Time" - >not just because the second track reminded me of my girlfriend. . . Oh god, this reminds me of a horrific experience i had yesterday after work; got home, put on MTV while i fussed about the kitchen looking for something nourishing, and this show, 12 Angry Viewers was on; it's like a make it or break it/ sink or swim type thing where the viewers chat and vote on new videos. Anyway, the new, BRILLIANT, Cornershop video was one of the videos and the 12 people, all very MTV looking in that crap Real World way, . . .they just said the most inane things. One girl liked it, but couldn't give it a great review cause,"who listens to records anymore, it's all cd's, right?" (the video depicts a girl listening to her favorite 45's on her bedroom floor). The worst though was the guy in leather and long hair who said, and i quote, "what a Gin Blossoms rip-off." I wanted to vomit. new records that have me smiling: The Verve lp, Helen Love ep, NoneSuch Film Series' four new releases, The End on 10th Planet Records, Delgados Peel Sessions tape, new Apples, Jack Drag, and the new Pastels. record. bye, nk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mlang at xxx.com Fri Sep 26 16:56:32 1997 From: mlang at xxx.com (Matrix) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:56:32 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk again Message-ID: I too have just received a copy of Tigermilk and was really suprised at how good it is. First of all, there is much more variety in the sounds than on IYFS and I think Stuart's singing is more accomplished somehow. I had heard that B&S didn't want to rerelease it because they weren't proud of it but now I refuse to believe that. This got me thinking... you see my friends and I have a theory that really holds up... No band or musical artist has a long career unless their second record is better than their first record. This would make sense considering that the first record is usually comprised of songs written over a longer period of time, so the second record is a much greater test of the longevity of a songwriter. There is also usually a bigger budget for a second record. Anyway, I haven't heard Tigermilk enough times to call it better than IYFS yet and I would like to know what everyone thinks about this comparison. matrix ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From KELSO at xxx.com Fri Sep 26 16:16:06 1997 From: KELSO at xxx.com (Kelso) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:16:06 -0400 Subject: Sinister: recommended releases Message-ID: I think I accidentally sent this only to brad yesterday, sorry if anyone is seeing this twice: As per brad's request that we make recommendations for other bands to check out, first let me give a second nod of approval to LambChop.....its real beautiful stuff. Rather than dwell on older records that I favour, I thought that I'd tip my cap to some newer releases: I myself have been spending a lot of time listening to "In Hospitalable", the new album by the BEATNIK FIMSTARS on merge records. Lots of fuzz and feedback and all that, but under it all are some very pretty songs. Also pleasing to my pop palate is "Square" by the ORANGE PEELS on Minty Fresh...real charming and bright pop...very fresh-faced in its sound. Then, speaking of bright, there is a new BaDaBing/Darla release from the Boston band BRIGHT. It's called Albatross Guesthouse and is a little more errr, rock-oriented (but not a rock record), than their self-titled release, but its still a gorgeous concoction of melody and space. Oh and back to pop, definitely check out OF MONTREAL's...I'm at al oss for the album title as well as the label....if Neutral Milk Hotel and Olivia Tremor Control and that whole Elephant 6 gang are pleasing to you, than you'll be charmed by Of Montreal as well. And my final off the top of my head recommendation is "Spoke" by CALEXICO on Quarterstick....so exquisite, like the sounds you expect to hear from a gypsey caravan that's travelling along the Sierra Madre trying to find the next frontier of love. --kelso ============================================ "Number 2 has got me confused Hope I'll always be numbers 1 & 3." --mercury rev-- ============================================ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Fri Sep 26 16:50:36 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:50:36 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Music in this universe other than B&S Message-ID: <01BCCA72.6BECE120@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Although I think they The following bands have been rocking my world: -Toulouse -Velocette -Belle and Sebastian -Comet Gain -Girlfrendo -Yummy Fur (only one song, but I love it) -Broadcast Old Stuff That I've been listening to recently: -Field Mice -Orchids -[Just got a whole shitload of old Sarah stuff] -Primal Scream -Pastels -Felt -Mousefolk -The Apple Moths -Orange Juice -Wolfhounds As you can see, Scotland is the center of my musical universe. Matt PS Although I think IYFS is a great album (it gets better each time I hear it), Tigermilk is practically the best LP ever released. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Landmine9 at xxx.com Fri Sep 26 16:58:26 1997 From: Landmine9 at xxx.com (Landmine9 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk flipside Message-ID: <970926115122_1417150260@emout14.mail.aol.com> I hit the jackpot in a tape swap: "Tigermilk" on one side, the also famously hard-to-find "Heavenly vs. Satan" on the other. That tape is just about wore plum out. m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From TED_MCCAGG at xxx.com Fri Sep 26 17:15:20 1997 From: TED_MCCAGG at xxx.com (TED_MCCAGG at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:15:20 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Other Music Message-ID: <001CBC0F.1564@yr.com> People should give a listen to Built To Spill (the most recent LP is amazing), Eric Matthews, and Eliot Smith. All from the Pacific Northwest, they have left the whole grunge nonsense behind and made fascinating, beautiful music. Matthews (both albums) has a very Pet Sounds feel to it, with occasional orchestra and horns, Smith has a similar voice but without the lush feel of Matthews. Built to Spill is just plain great. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From escossia at xxx.br Fri Sep 26 16:52:18 1997 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:52:18 -0200 Subject: Sinister: Felt records/Elizabeth X Monica Quenn Message-ID: <16521860302421@secrel.com.br> At 10:38 26/09/97 -0400, you wrote: You have to agree with me. Elizabeth Fraser is better than Monica Queen ! And.... ....."Ignite the seven cannons" is a wonderful album. Ivo Augusto >I have "The Strange Idols Pattern and Other Short Stories/Ignite the Seven >Cannons" because Robin Guthrie produced half of it and Elizabeth Fraser is on >the song "Primitive Painters". But I must say Lawrence's Fred Schneider-ish >mostly spoken vocals get on my nerves so I don't listen to it that often. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike at xxx.uk Fri Sep 26 18:18:58 1997 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:18:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: SINISTER: Other Music Message-ID: Just got the Archer Prewitt solo CD, "In the Sun". Happy, jazzy, funky and just plain great. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics/Bacchanalian Revel homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rhutt at xxx.net Fri Sep 26 19:23:36 1997 From: rhutt at xxx.net (Richard) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:23:36 -0700 Subject: Sinister: goodbyeee Message-ID: <342BFDA8.6618@earthlink.net> Well Hello All Sadly, I must leave this list mere weeks after joining it. Such is the lot of the freelancer. A word of thanks before I go. It's a nice place you have here. The conversation is the right mix of rambling and to the point. That international flavour is wonderful too, ambrosia to a sad expat. And somehow, alone in the world of fandom, B&S lovers seem able to express themselves in a manner that does not come across as fawning and boring. Enough compliments. If anyone gets this before 6pm West Coast US time, would they mind dropping me a line and letting me know if Mike Alway's new project is a patch on el? Oh and a question before I depart into the hills. I get the sneaking suspicion that a number of listers, indeed, perhaps even the band, may share a common past. So, then, how many of you were, between the years of 1985 and 1989, what was referred to as "cuties"? Oh come on, admit it. There's no shame in it now. My anorak was green and had fuzzy orange lining. Since I won't be around to hear the answer, would anyone care to explain those topsy - turvy years that seem so much a part of B & S, at least to me, to those that weren't around? Oh, actually, one more thing. I've saved this question until last. Erm...would anyone mind taping Tigermilk for us? My real address, because I trust this list and I'm going to be gone from email pretty soon: #307, 2041 N.Vermont Ave, L.A. CA 90027 Please don't anyone be a stalker or anything. I hope to meet some of you in the real world some time. My respects Richard Hutt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MPRVixen at xxx.com Fri Sep 26 19:46:11 1997 From: MPRVixen at xxx.com (MPRVixen at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk vs. IYFS, etc... Message-ID: <970926144442_-1597372374@emout02.mail.aol.com> Asking me to choose between Tigermilk and If You're Feeling Sinister is like asking a mother to choose a favorite child. I mean, yes, Tigermilk was the first B&S I heard, and nothing will quite compare to my heart skipping a beat the first time I heard "You're Just a Baby," but "Judy and the Dream of Horses" took the slow burn approach and haunted me for weeks. Maybe we're all a tad partial to the first B&S we heard. Any thoughts? Also, in reference to Neutral Milk Hotel recommendations, what can I say besides this....I saw them in Boston the night after the festival in Providence Nigel mentioned, and it was easily the rockinest live show I have ever attended. After the first song, the packed-in-crowd at the Middle East sat in stunned silence until a woman in the back of the crowd said "Oh my God, this is *so cool.*" And we all just nodded and then the second song kicked in. Their CD, "On Avery Island," was the driving CD of choice this past Spring, and "Song Against Sex" and "Naomi" have quickly become mix tape staples. Check them out. Paige ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Iain at xxx.uk Fri Sep 26 21:22:33 1997 From: Iain at xxx.uk (Iain Meakin) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:22:33 +-100 Subject: Sinister: B&S and Felt Message-ID: <01BCCAC2.BE1A6BC0@chkymnky.demon.co.uk> ( Sorry for the lack of B&S content) Hello there, I've never sent a message to one of these list thingis before but I tought I would to this one. Why ? Well because finally I've found some people who not only like B&S but Felt! (not to mention the Band Of Holy Joy). If anyone has never heard Felt, then I strongly advise you to get some. They are probably the greatest band EVER. Loads of stuff was re-release by either Cherry Red or Creation on dull grey CD's, and I would advise anyone to get one of these as a start. I might even be pesuased to send a Felt "best of" compilation tape to anyone who wants one, 'cos well, I love the band and I want them to get some recognition at last. Anyway, thats my first message done with. Iain Meakin, Forest fan. www.chkymnky.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Fri Sep 26 23:33:12 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:33:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: & your name is..... References: <68DC7544.MD-0.196.steve@seahorses.demon.co.uk> <342B3824.6216EE1C@colon.net.> Message-ID: <342C3828.D60F4324@virgin.net> oc245d8aff at colon.net wrote: > > Steve Genge wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Now as it appears several people on the list have got > > copies of the > > Seconds Of Light EP I'd like to throw the following morsel > > into the > > soup & give it a stir. > > > > There's no mention of the band or title on the front of > > the sleeve, is > > this a good idea? It's easy enough to confuse the > > customers in our > > shop at the best of times :) Will it get overlooked by > > potential > > buyers because of this or will a tasteless sticker be > > added before > > it's released? > > Words would spoil a perfect picture. Much as I love the > record, I think the picture's even better. At least for me, > at least this morning. > > Stickers are OK until time turns them into a gooey mess. There's really no need for stickers, it's been designed in such a way that by simply turning it around the record store can have the artist and title on clear display. The artwork is so clean that the back could easily pass for the front on a record store's shelving. Just in case you're wondering though, there will be no stickers of any kind on the single, so turning it round is the only option anyway! David -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Yummycats at xxx.com Sat Sep 27 04:15:26 1997 From: Yummycats at xxx.com (Yummycats at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Too many choices! Message-ID: <970926231325_552030850@emout13.mail.aol.com> I hope you all can help me out here. I have written before on how difficult it is to find B&S where I live, and someone sent me to a place on the web called "Secret Sounds" where I could order the new ep's. I'm very wary of internet businesses, so I'm going to order ONE of the ep's through them, to see how they do business. So here's the question: I have Sinister, but which ep should I try first? Actually, I have another question: I'm going to be in Orlando Fla. soon, and I want to ask if there are any listers who live there who can recommend a good record store where I might be able to find the ep's. Shops here in Nashville, despite it's claim of being "the Music City capitol of the USA" try hard but always leave me disappointed. Thanks in advance, yummycats at aol.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From initgrl at xxx.org Sat Sep 27 04:14:02 1997 From: initgrl at xxx.org (jj heldmann) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: recommended bands - Lilac Time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Paul Dean wrote: > 'Astronauts' on the other side - so this has got me thinking : what have > other people taped on that inviting 45 blank minutes which could live up > to the greatness of 'Tigermilk' & not force the listener to knacker > their walkman batteries with constant rewinds? well, the last time i taped it, i put it on a 60 minute tape, one side of the record per side of the tape, but the time before that, i put the Magnetic Fields "Charm of the Highway Strip" on the b-side. xo jj ******************************************** fantastic po box 4492 ann arbor mi 48106 usa www.mindspring.com/~initialgirl/fantastic ******************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From initgrl at xxx.org Sat Sep 27 04:21:35 1997 From: initgrl at xxx.org (jj heldmann) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Music in this universe other than B&S In-Reply-To: <01BCCA72.6BECE120@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Matthew A. Neimark wrote: > The following bands have been rocking my world: > -Toulouse > -Velocette > -Belle and Sebastian > -Comet Gain > -Girlfrendo > -Broadcast ditto! add aden, cessna, katerine, true love always and amon tobin to the list and that's my current playlist. > -Mousefolk i just got a tape full of mousefolk from stewie boyracer and i must say its darn good! anyone have the scoop on these folks? xo jj ******************************************** fantastic po box 4492 ann arbor mi 48106 usa www.mindspring.com/~initialgirl/fantastic ******************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Sat Sep 27 09:05:37 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:05:37 -0700 Subject: Sinister: re: other bands Message-ID: <342CBE51.3283@earthlink.net> hey. this is the last time i'll post to the list with non b&s stuff, but i had to make a couple of comments. i noticed a lot of you mentioned neutral milk hotel and east river pipe as other bands you were listening to. and i mentioned lambchop. and the other day someone brought up the magnetic fields. it's funny, because all of these bands are on merge. and merge didn't used to be all that good of a label. i like the bands mentioned above but i never sat down and put it together how good of a label merge has become in the last couple of years. and i got "thriller" today, for those who know what i'm talking about. on first listen, i'm not that impressed. and only eight songs?!? that one "your fucking sunny day" is a total departure though. and one last thing..while this post has been mostly about merge, i would like to recommend one more band that i can almost guarantee any b & s would love, not that they sound like them, but because they're one of the best pop groups around......ladybug transistor. they have one album out on merge so far "beverley atonale" and they have another album before that one called "marlborough farms" which isn't anywhere near as good (coincidentally, if any of you like ladybug transistor, the first album is quite hard to come by, so if you want a copy let me know). but back to "beverley atonale"....i urge everyone on this list to go buy it if you can find it. if you don't like it, you can verbally abuse me on this very list. i promise you'll like it. that's a pretty big statement because i don't know any of you. song number three has that jesus and mary chain drum intro, you know...the "dum dumdum ch, dum dumdum ch" and then it breaks into a song so beautiful, you'd think you'd gotten hold of some long forgotten creation primal scream single (back when they were good). anyway, that's my last recommendation for a while. this list may now be returned to b&s. -brad oh yeah. a question. just how popular are magnetic fields across the ocean? are they well known? i couldn't picture them playing an outdoor festival. for those of you who don't know who they are, i'm sorry. you're missing possibly the best songwriter to ever come out of america. i saw them in concert a couple of months back and about three hours into the show (yeah, three hours, longest show i've ever seen) stephin said, "alright this is my new song" then they played the best cover version of bela lugosi's dead you could ever hope to hear. then followed that by refugee by tom petty. go figure. and if you've never seen them live, there's no drum machine or keyboards anywhere on stage. there's stephin on guitar, another guy on guitar, a guy on cello, and claudia on drums, and that's it. but the songs don't lose anything. they're even better with that minimal setting. this is longest p.s. i've ever written. and future bible heroes, another stephin merrit project, has a full length album out now..."memories of love". it's got claudia singing most of the songs, but stephin sings some of them. i recommend it also. goodbye for real. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Fri Sep 26 20:32:21 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:32:21 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Felt records References: <1.5.4.32.19970926132850.0067b8dc@student.let.uva.nl> Message-ID: <342C0DC5.E0B69DB4@colon.net.> Ninette wrote: > Hiya! > Not sure if I mailed this correctly so here I go again: > Is there anyone out there who's got any Felt records in > their collection? I > heard a bit of one of their albums, and I'd love to hear > more...... > > ---------- > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > I've got a couple, Gold Mine Trash and Primitive Painters.I once attempted to buy Ignite the Seven Cannons, but when I got home it was Wheels of Steel by Saxon. In my opinion Denim records are much better. Someone said that B&S reminded them of growing up in Scotland in the seventies. Well, Denim remind me of growing up in the Midlands in the seventies. Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tdzF94 at xxx.edu Sat Sep 27 08:59:20 1997 From: tdzF94 at xxx.edu (The Trainspotter) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 03:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Seeing Other Groups In-Reply-To: <01BCCA8C.A92C0D80@tesco.unipalm.pipex.com> Message-ID: wager again nigel - I love neutral milk hotel - starting a photo series based on one of their songs and they are playing at my school quite soon! did I mention my love for stuart murdoch yet? ok, I did, but once more with vigor. YUM! w/ chocolate and pomeades, -teri http://hampshire.edu/~tdzF94/ "I lost an important part of my brain, somewhere, somewhere, in a field, in Hampshire". Pulp "Neil, is it really necessary to nail the plates to the table? What happens when we want to play Monopoly? Go directly to plate? Do not pass plate nailed to the table by a stupid hippie?" Vyv, The Young Ones On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Nigel Turner wrote: > Very difficult not to get carried away here (though I probably will). The only other group in the last couple of years or so who've got me as excited as B&S, have been Neutral Milk Hotel, who I'd wager very few on this list have even heard of. Which is a shame. I'd rate their '96 lp, "On Avery Island", together with "..Feeling Sinister" as the two best lp's of the 90's. Probably. Their music's been described as "drone folk", which might not sound too promising, but ain't too far wide of the mark, especially if you reckon B&S can be labelled "folk". Like B&S, NMH (as I shall henceforth call them) are centered around a songwriter of some genius, Jeff Mangum, and feature a wide range of musical instruments: banjo, accordian, musical saw (oh yes! I can't understand anyone needing a Theremin when you can have a musical saw!), as well as the usual guitar, bass, drums, keyboards. Mangum also has an incredible voice - much harsher than Stuart's - he can hold a note seemingly for ages. When I saw them at a festival in Providence, Rhode Island in April, they simply exploded into action. Nothing contrived or pompous, but you just thought....."Yeah, this is what a live band should be like......and, my god, that guy's playing the saw, banjo and synth......at the same time!". This was exactly how Belle & Sebastian made me feel when I saw them live for the first time, only a couple of months earlier. NMH are American, by the way. Watch out for them. I think I probably rambled on for quite enough. Apart from...... > > Can also recommend the new Yo La Tengo lp, the new Stereolab album (and their most recent collaboration with Nurse With Wound, which is possibly the best thing they've ever done, imho), almost anything on New York's Asphodel label (DJ Spooky, We, Tipsy - but that's probably a bit left-field for this list), Adventures in Stereo (yet more Glaswegian 60's-influenced pop), Broadcast, The Freed Unit......oh I'll shut up now. > > And finally - and back on topic - has anyone else noticed that "A Century Of Fakers" uses the same musical track as "A Century Of Elvis"? > > Nigel > xx > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnj at xxx.com Sat Sep 27 09:42:38 1997 From: johnj at xxx.com (J Jackson) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:42:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Mousefolk info for jj heldman! Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970927094238.00696748@mail.u-net.com> Howdo jj , and anyone else who's interested in the Mousefolk.. they were a band from the Bristol area, England that is, actually from a small coastal town called Clevedon..which is just next to Portishead, anyway they released a few 7" ep things in the early 90s, I've got one of them somewhere which I think is called 'Crazy Mixed Up Kid' though that could very well be by someone else..I can't remember..but they did GREAT HUUUUUGEEE t shirts which were something like XXXXXXXL in size, everyone used to ask me what it was and then go 'oh' and walk away when I told them. I think they were deeply average, I think I saw them at the famous Fleece and Firkin pub in Bristol, where I saw an infant Spiritualized too, erm I'm veering off the point here aren't I.. Sorry I can't remember anything else. JJ x Dipsy hat! Dipsy hat! Fancy that! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From initgrl at xxx.org Sat Sep 27 14:39:39 1997 From: initgrl at xxx.org (jj heldmann) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Mousefolk info for jj heldman! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970927094238.00696748@mail.u-net.com> Message-ID: so does anyone know if any of these 7"s are still around and able to be found? i suppose i've got most everything on the tape but its always nice to have the real thing... xo the *other* jj on the list :) ******************************************** fantastic po box 4492 ann arbor mi 48106 usa www.mindspring.com/~initialgirl/fantastic ******************************************** On Sat, 27 Sep 1997, J Jackson wrote: > Howdo jj , and anyone else who's interested in the Mousefolk.. > > they were a band from the Bristol area, England that is, actually from a > small coastal town called Clevedon..which is just next to Portishead, > anyway they released a few 7" ep things in the early 90s, I've got one of > them somewhere which I think is called 'Crazy Mixed Up Kid' though that > could very well be by someone else..I can't remember..but they did GREAT > HUUUUUGEEE t shirts which were something like XXXXXXXL in size, > everyone used to ask me what it was and then go 'oh' and walk away when > I told them. > > I think they were deeply average, I think I saw them at the famous Fleece and > Firkin pub in Bristol, where I saw an infant Spiritualized too, erm I'm > veering > off the point here aren't I.. > > Sorry I can't remember anything else. > > JJ > x > > Dipsy hat! Dipsy hat! Fancy that! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a-bergman at xxx.edu Sat Sep 27 17:16:30 1997 From: a-bergman at xxx.edu (Amanda Bergman) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:16:30 -0500 Subject: Sinister: I am surprised that no one has yet mentioned... Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970927111630.006b7594@hecky.acns.nwu.edu> Red House Painters as a sort of quasi-Belle and Sebastian-esque band. I was first introduced to their music by a friend who liked B&S, and knew that I liked B&S, and the music is really quite good. Very slow, very mellow, strummy sad songs, for the most part. There are a bunch of albums out there (the latest release being the most upbeat, I've heard) and the two that I was told to start with were _Down Colorful Hill_ and the Rollercoaster album, which has no title on it, just a picture of an old rollercoaster. So there you have it, my 2 cents as far as recommended bands. And now moving on to B&S themselves...I am in love with _Tigermilk_. Absolutely smitten. Finally I was able to recognize many of the songs they played at the NYC show earlier this month, like the second and third songs on _TM_. I spent my Friday evening with the tape, listening to it over and over and over again. And I love the BBC stuff on the b-side, too. Oh, how I do long for more B&S. I have only been temporarily placated by this latest installment. So. There was my rambling for the moment. Anyone wishing to further discuss Red House Painters and/or _Tigermilk_ (or anything B&S, for that matter) is welcome to email me directly. au reservoir, Amanda ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Sat Sep 27 11:45:58 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:45:58 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Q, Q, Barley Magrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and Murdoch. Message-ID: <342CE3E6.8E1918BE@colon.net.> Page 20 of the October edition of Q magazine features a rather fetching photo of Stuart "Sexpot" Murdoch and his guitar. Next to the photo there are some words: Last gig? Aerosmith at Wembley Arena earlier this year. I went with my mum and dad. Who would you like to be if you weren't yourself? An eternal 5-year-old with big tits. erm.... On the other side of the photo are some more words: What's this? A rare sighting of Belle and Sebastian lead singer Stuart Murdoch in typically fey mood performing at The Union Chapel, North London, last month. the hotly tipped Glasgow songsmiths spent most of the gig navigating the line between "fragile beauty" and "an absolute shambles" to a packed house that included Pulp's Jarvis Cocker.... The photo is by Jamie Reid. Isn't that the bloke who did the Sex Pistols covers and is married to that woman out of Letter to Brezhnev? No, can't be... The magazine also has an article about the glory days of Radio One. It might help some of our overseas friends understand the DJ debate we had a few weeks ago. You will see that it really is a matter of life and death....Just look at them! Mark Page?! Andy Peebles?! Neale James?! That's it. I'm off to stuff me face. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From MWaggner at xxx.com Sat Sep 27 19:53:21 1997 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: I am surprised that no one has yet mentioned... Message-ID: <970927145320_-60808928@emout19.mail.aol.com> You're right about Red House Painters -- After listening to nothing but ...Sinister for weeks after I got it, I went looking for something else to play. Nothing that I owned seemed as if I could listen to it without breaking some sort of spell (or something, I don't know). I went to Secret Sounds in search of "music to listen to after B&S" and after quite a while of looking for something "lovely" decided on Red House Painters. While they are different, it's the same feeling and a good segue back into the "real" world. I've also just spent several days listening to a tape of Tigermilk (with the BBC sessions on the back -- must be the same source). I love "I Could Be Dreaming" best on that tape -- I think because most of the other songs were familiar, and ...Dreaming is a bit different, maybe darker. And I am very jealous of BBC radio ... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leslie.chinea at xxx.com Sat Sep 27 16:57:24 1997 From: leslie.chinea at xxx.com (leslie.chinea at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:57:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I'm Surprised No One Mentioned.... Message-ID: <00021B88.003103@xx.emimusic.com> Okay, I've been reading everyone's recommend list for the last couple days and now, I just have to put in my 2 cents (or 2 pence).. This month in my 5 CD carousel with Belle & Sebastion are: Autour De Lucie's self-titled debut Helium "No Guitars" EP Madder Rose "Tragic Magic" Stereolab "Dots & Loops" There you have it....wow, I feel a lot better now. Leslie. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mick at xxx.com Sat Sep 27 23:00:09 1997 From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:00:09 -0400 Subject: Sinister: I'm Surprised No One Mentioned.... References: <00021B88.003103@xx.emimusic.com> Message-ID: <342D81E9.D212CC80@indiepop.com> leslie.chinea at emimusic.com wrote: > Autour De Lucie's self-titled debut This is a really good & often overlooked album. I wanted to recommend some stuff, but a lot of what I listen to is way more upbeat than B&S. Maybe the upcoming #Poundsign# album on Fantastic Records... /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - mick at indiepop.com \ / Sandcastle Records - sandcastlerecords at indiepop.com | | http://www.citynet.net/personal/mick/SCastle.html | | | | "Beware the other head of Science, Arthur. It bites!" | | - the Tick | | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From escossia at xxx.br Sat Sep 27 23:15:47 1997 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:15:47 -0200 Subject: Sinister: I'm Surprised No One Mentioned....*Class* Message-ID: <23154716510328@secrel.com.br> At 18:00 27/09/97 -0400, you wrote: > > This is a really good & often overlooked album. I wanted to recommend >some stuff, but a lot of what I listen to is way more upbeat than B&S. >Maybe the upcoming #Poundsign# album on Fantastic Records... CLASS is a wonderful band too ! I've got one Class 7" single (The album will be release soon) there's a "link" to bands such as Mojave 3 and Belle and Sebastian in their sound....amazing pop songs, sad vocals, violins...LOVELY band ! http://www.doubleagent.com peter at doubleagent.com Ivo Augusto ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From escossia at xxx.br Sun Sep 28 02:24:05 1997 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo Augusto) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:24:05 -0200 Subject: Sinister: NME on line Message-ID: <02240501011086@secrel.com.br> NME on line BELLE AND SEBASTIAN "3,6,9 SECONDS OF LIGHT" four tracks from the sublime Scots odd-bods - OUT MONDAY Is it true ? MONDAY ????? Really ???? I NEED to know if it's true cause i've got to send a mail ordering it.(Sister Ray) Ivo Augusto ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Sun Sep 28 10:12:12 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:12:12 -0700 Subject: Sinister: cowboy logic Message-ID: <342E1F6C.61AB@earthlink.net> "cowboy logic" by: brad whiddon characters: bocephus.....played by some cowboy connie.........played by some cowboy's bimbo brad.............played by himself barb.............played by herself scene: saturday at midnight inside the town's most famous pizzeria. (act 1 scene 1) (brad is dutifully mopping up after a long night of making pizzas for undeserving people. there is a look of scorn on his face because he wasn't supposed to be at work this late and all his friends are waiting for him, but one of the other employees decided they wanted to be "sick", thus, leaving brad to carry the load.) (the door opens) : doing! brad : hey. how's it going? bocephus: purty good. purty good. brad: can i help you? bocephus: let me look for a minute. brad: okay. (brad continues to mop. he was hoping that no other customers would come in. like the story goes.....his friends are waiting for him. belle and sebastian playing loudly in the background is his only consolation in these trying times) bocephus: hey, boy. what's that crap you listening to? connie: hee hee brad: (hesitantly) it's a band called beele and sebastian bocephus: belly who? brad: belle and sebastian bocephus: the guy sounds like a goddam faggot with that high voice. you like faggot music, boy? connie: hee hee brad: (brad just stares at the cowboy figure) connie: hee hee barb: you ready to order, sir? bocephus: yeah. brad: (still staring right into the cowboy's eyes) (curtain) i love my job. -brad p.s. buy ladybug transistor "beverley atonale" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Yummycats at xxx.com Sun Sep 28 15:03:26 1997 From: Yummycats at xxx.com (Yummycats at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Lilac Time for B&S. Message-ID: <970928100322_813973738@emout13.mail.aol.com> We've been speaking of Lilac Time, and some of you like them, so I came up with an idea for someone: I have all 4 of the Lilac Time releases, including the promo only record, "Welcome to Hell, Here's your accordion" which has some great b-sides (four, I think). So I thought perhaps I could trade someone a dub of their discography, or a best of, or whatever, for a dub of the precious Tigermilk. Lilac Time are relatively hard to come by in the U.S., since their entire catalogue has been deleted. Astronauts wasn't even released over here, so it may be a treat for someone. Of course, there may be a soul out there who absolutely hates the Lilac Time, yet still wants to help me out :-). In this case I can only say, "I have a lot of cd's. Pick some." Yummycats at aol.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From madelain-jp at xxx.fr Sun Sep 28 21:43:08 1997 From: madelain-jp at xxx.fr (Jean-Philippe Madelaine) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:43:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Other groups and two questions Message-ID: <199709281942.VAA12475@pauline.infonie.fr> Here are several french groups I can recommend : - Autour de Lucie, the both albums "L'échappée belle" et "Immobile" - Louise Attaque, fabulous - Tanger And a non french group i'm listening since friday evening when i bought it : The Verve : Urban hymns And now the questions : 1- When will 3,6,9 seconds of light be available ? 2- Why B&S is called B&S ? I knew a tv serie called B&S when i was a kid. Belle was a dog (a big one) and Sebastien a little boy. JPhilippe ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Sun Sep 28 20:58:54 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:58:54 +0200 Subject: Sinister: NME, cowboys and Boy George References: <02240501011086@secrel.com.br> Message-ID: <342EB6FE.D01175FC@colon.net.> Ivo Augusto wrote: > NME on line > BELLE AND SEBASTIAN "3,6,9 SECONDS OF LIGHT" > four tracks from the sublime Scots odd-bods - OUT MONDAY > > Is it true ? MONDAY ????? Really ???? I like that one - "sublime Scots odd-bods" Another problematic record is/was Drum by Hugo Largo. You had to play it over and over again, because it seemed like there was nothing else like it around at the time. As for cowboys casting aspersions on Belle and Sebastian's sexuality, don't worry. Culture Club had the same trouble during their guest appearance on The A -Team. Boy George won the cowboys over by helping to solve a scam in which some evil villains were stealing all their savings and blaming it on Mister T and company. By the end of the programme Boy George had all the cowboys eating out of the palm of his delicately manicured hand. It would be great if Belle and Sebastian were on Taggart, but I think he's dead now. I can just see it now.....Isobel's teddy bear is the only witness to a heinous crime on the Forth and Clyde Canal towpath...the hapless drummer inadvertently stumbles across a suitcase full of wacky baccy in Kelvigrove Park...leading to the keyboard player's uncovering of an indie-pop and anorak smut peddling ring operating out of a top floor Oakfield Avenue bedsit... Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oc245d8aff at xxx.net Sun Sep 28 21:25:52 1997 From: oc245d8aff at xxx.net (oc245d8aff at xxx.net) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:25:52 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Other groups and two questions References: <199709281942.VAA12475@pauline.infonie.fr> Message-ID: <342EBD50.BD1BE4B0@colon.net.> Jean-Philippe Madelaine wrote: > 2- Why B&S is called B&S ? I knew a tv serie called B&S > when i was a kid. > Belle was a dog (a big one) and Sebastien a little boy. > Legend has it that the name comes from a story Stuart Murdoch wrote called Belle and Sebastian, but I'm not sure. I think it's because The Flashing Blade sounds a bit rude. Can you tell us more about the TV programme? I can't remember it. I think the new record should be out this week, but again I'm not sure. Just thought I'd answer because everybody else seems to be asleep at the moment. I think I'll join them. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Moonstar9 at xxx.com Sun Sep 28 21:50:17 1997 From: Moonstar9 at xxx.com (Moonstar9 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Other groups and two questions/verve Message-ID: <970928164955_761005090@emout13.mail.aol.com> i love verve...i know i shouldn't be talking about them here since they their own separate list but i think early verve is amazing. Jared just for some B&S info, i love B$S too ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnj at xxx.com Sun Sep 28 22:42:25 1997 From: johnj at xxx.com (J Jackson) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:42:25 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the name Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970928224225.0068d884@mail.u-net.com> is it true that Belle And Sebastian are the main characters in Beauty and the Beast? is this not where the inspiration came for the band's name? why has Urban Hymns been released in other countries but not here until tomorrow! I wonder if Sainsburys will have it JJ x _______________________________________________________ Run away! Run away! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sgold06 at xxx.edu Sun Sep 28 22:43:03 1997 From: sgold06 at xxx.edu (Steve Goldman) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: Belle & Sebastian In-Reply-To: <342EBD50.BD1BE4B0@colon.net.> Message-ID: The TV show, as I saw it, was about a small child and his dog, roaming the Pyrenees...I can't recall the storylines or such, but that much I do remember...it was on quite a few years ago on Nickelodeon here in the States. Cute as hell, as I recall, very touching and dealing in very simple Odyssey-type excursions (i.e.--looking for their home)... Anyone remember the timetable of the storyline (I seem to think it was the 40's, but I'm probably mistaken)... Oh, as to the band listing, I'm afraid I haven't anything to add, since everyone seems more much worldly than myself...(I'm still mired in old R.E.M., Oingo Boingo, 80's stuff, swing stuff...) The few I can offer as my longtime faves are: --Little Jack Melody and his Young Turks (lounge/circus music, very fun)...I personally have "My Charmed Life" (Carpe Diem Records) and want to get the rest...oh, they're from Delton, TX...(link on my page) --Spirit of the West (Canadian pop/Celtic outfit that seems to have died out)...if anyone knows what happened to the group, let me know...I have their "Faithlift" and "Twoheaded" LPs, and wouldn't mind more... --R.E.M. (almost anything except Monster) Recent acquisitions that I dig: Amon Tobin, Talvin Singh's ANOKHA, B&S's IYFS (damned if I have money for more), Space's "Spiders"... *smirk* I have a feeling if I mention more, I'll fall into a deeply unhip hole no one's lower a rope to get me out of...;) --Steven *************************************************************************** Steven Goldman * * Box 22688 * Fun-lover, pop freak, sometimes * Emory University * DJ, and aspiring actor/writer/director * Atlanta, GA 30322 * * (404) 251-8310 * "Faith manages." * sgold06 at emory.edu * --Delenn, "Babylon 5" * WWW: http://tswww.cc.emory.edu/~sgold06 * *************************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com Mon Sep 29 02:36:02 1997 From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: other music Message-ID: <970928213522_2065058152@emout02.mail.aol.com> After discovering Belle and Sebastian in April I went out and bought some Felt. Really liked their instrumentals a great deal. I think I have every CD now 'cept for "Primitive Painters". That title has eluded me. Other titles currently in the CD changer: Ivy "Apartment Life" Verve "Urban Hymns" Marc Bolan/T.Rex (numerous new reissues) (Edsel & Burning Airlines) Ghost (Drag City) Fuxa John Coltrane "Complete 1961 Village Vanguard" (Impulse) the Frogs "Starjob" (Scratchie) Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From kaori at xxx.org Mon Sep 29 03:00:41 1997 From: kaori at xxx.org (Kaori Laird) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:00:41 +0900 Subject: Sinister: Felt records References: <1.5.4.32.19970926132850.0067b8dc@student.let.uva.nl> <342C0DC5.E0B69DB4@colon.net.> Message-ID: <342F0BC9.41C67EA6@laird.org> oc245d8aff at colon.net wrote: > > Ninette wrote: > > Hiya! > Not sure if I mailed this correctly so here I go again: > Is there anyone out there who's got any Felt records in > their collection? I > heard a bit of one of their albums, and I'd love to hear > more...... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I've got a couple, Gold Mine Trash and Primitive Painters.I once > attempted to buy Ignite the Seven Cannons, but when I got home it was > Wheels of Steel by Saxon. > In my opinion Denim records are much better. Someone said that B&S > reminded them of growing up in Scotland in the seventies. Well, Denim > remind me of growing up in the Midlands in the seventies. > > Peter > Hi Ninette, I have three of their early vinyl works. They are; (LP)Crumbling The Antiseptic Beauty(Japanese edition) The Splendour Of Fear(Japanese edition) (SP)Ballad Of The Band(Produced by Robin Guthrie) I love their early recordings. I had chance to see their gigs in UK while they existed and they were all great, though they did not play many dates...... I liked first DENIM, but not the second album. Love and songs, Kaori ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From artyfartystudent at xxx.com Mon Sep 29 03:06:27 1997 From: artyfartystudent at xxx.com (Edwardo J Rollipops) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:06:27 EDT Subject: Sinister: americans (especially on the west coast) Message-ID: <19970928.190048.5423.0.artyfartystudent@juno.com> for a slice of brilliant british humour, "withnail and i" is just starting (7pm) on bravo. keep an eye on the listings. bravo often repeats films it shows. :) michelle ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Mon Sep 29 07:21:21 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:21:21 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Felt records References: <1.5.4.32.19970926132850.0067b8dc@student.let.uva.nl> <342C0DC5.E0B69DB4@colon.net.> <342F0BC9.41C67EA6@laird.org> Message-ID: <342F48E1.1C64@earthlink.net> > Ninette wrote: > > Hiya! > Not sure if I mailed this correctly so here I go again: > Is there anyone out there who's got any Felt records in > their collection? I > heard a bit of one of their albums, and I'd love to hear > more...... hey. i have all the albums. if you want to set up some kind of dub/copy thing, write me. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From kaori at xxx.org Mon Sep 29 03:39:12 1997 From: kaori at xxx.org (Kaori Laird) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:39:12 +0900 Subject: Sinister: Re: Belle & Sebastian References: Message-ID: <342F14D0.167EB0E7@laird.org> Steve Goldman wrote: > > The TV show, as I saw it, was about a small child and his dog, roaming the > Pyrenees...I can't recall the storylines or such, but that much I do > remember...it was on quite a few years ago on Nickelodeon here in the > States. Cute as hell, as I recall, very touching and dealing in very > simple Odyssey-type excursions (i.e.--looking for their home)... > > Anyone remember the timetable of the storyline (I seem to think it was the > 40's, but I'm probably mistaken)... > I think that is a story like probably in 30's or 40's and it goes like this, There was a family of four - dad, mum, boy & dog in a quite poor village in Spain. One day dad died so mum has to make all the earnings for the family. She couldn't find the way to support family in this poor small village but someone(I think it was a village mayor of the richest family in the village or her relatives in France) brought her job in France(Niece or Marselle, I guess) to be a maid. Her boy & dog were left with dad's relatives. First 6 months or a year, mum sent letters but suddenly mum stopped writing. Boy gets worried so he decided to cross the border(Pyrenees) to look for his mum in France. Naturally, he met a lot of good/bad people on the way.... This is the basic story line I can think of from a boy and a dog crossing Pyrenees and a Odessey-type of story. If I am wrong, just foreget it. But the story I mentioned above is a quite famous story. Even I am a Japanese, I know it! Ta ta, Kaori ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Mon Sep 29 09:22:19 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:22:19 -0700 Subject: Sinister: re:felt Message-ID: <342F653B.445F@earthlink.net> re: all the questions and statements about felt lately: a felt page: http://www.jeigh.com/felt/ a really complete discography with some quotes by and a short interview with lawrence: http://www.ultranet.com/~rps/felt/ -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From artyfartystudent at xxx.com Mon Sep 29 07:18:01 1997 From: artyfartystudent at xxx.com (Edwardo J Rollipops) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 02:18:01 EDT Subject: Sinister: Lilac Time for B&S and more. Message-ID: <19970928.231220.5223.0.artyfartystudent@juno.com> >Lilac Time are relatively hard to come by in the >U.S., since their entire catalogue has been deleted. i am in love with the lilac time. i think that "and love for all" and "paradise circus" are their best. i haven't really had a difficult time finding their albums in the US. they kind of just fall into my lap. there was a charity shop in my home town (suburb of san diego) at which i found several lilac time (and orange juice!) goodies. that amazed me because nobody back there has very good taste. the last time i was in norwich i found a "laundry" 7" for 50 pence. a couple months ago i found "welcome to hell, here's your accordion" at a flea market here in san francisco. the only thing i don't have is "astronauts." perhaps if you don't look very hard you'll find what you're looking for. and as for music i'd recommend, here you go: the smiths, nick drake, the divine comedy, patti smith, the sundays, the magnetic fields, al green, mary margaret o'hara, the jam, the beautiful south, the soundtrack from 'breakfast at tiffany's,' old bowie, teenage fanclub, roxy music, elvis costello, simon and garfunkel, the style council, the trashcan sinatras, weekend, talk talk, burt bacharach, aztec camera, petula clark, the beatles, mcalmont & butler, sandie shaw, jacques brel...the list goes on and on and on... what have i been listening to lately? belle and sebastian, por supuesto. OH! i don't know if the question was ever answered, but the book on the cover of lazy line painter jane is, _reason and reality_ by john polkinghome. it's easier to read on the 12". ta ta! :) michelle ps-oops. sent this to the wrong address originally. i wanted to add, though, that i do love scottish accents (this is in regards to that old thread), especially when scottish women speak. for instance, ruth from eastenders and bess from "breaking the waves." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew.Dean at xxx.net Mon Sep 29 09:49:52 1997 From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.net (Andrew Dean) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:49:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the other side of tigermilk tapes Message-ID: <0039600000198680000002L002*@MHS> what do i put on the other side of tigermilk tapes? i'd been playing sinister in the cdrom drive at work one weekend and someone asked for a copy so they got a best of b&s tape. on the other side (at their request) i put the autechre 'envane' ep and photek's 'ni ten ichi ryu' - a summers day on the one side, a washing machine full of spanners on the other. (bought the new photek album on the last day of my holiday in america, a whole day before it was available in england. nope, didn't have anything to play it on whilst i was there so it would've made no odds had i bought it whilst popping into rough trade the morning after but, hey, the price sticker's in dollars which is cool. nothing on it as good as two swords technique but then little else is. it's been odd that most of the recommendations have been off-topic, as if b&s are the only band in the indiepop genre who are currently shining. i didn't even buy the last heavenly lp...) andy completely off topic: got thrown off the bus on tuesday. the stop i usually get off at is now in a different price band to what it was so i paid 95p as usual and we got as far as the shops and mr. bus driver told me i had to get off. it was only that one driver too, the other 3 times they never bothered... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Mon Sep 29 10:46:42 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Ninette) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:46:42 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Felt records Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970929094642.0067f878@student.let.uva.nl> At 08:51 PM 9/26/97 +0000, you wrote: >A couple of weeks ago I posted a message with this >offer included: > >>By the way, if anyone wants tapes of any Felt stuff >>you could drop me a line. I've got just about everything >>bar the first singleŠ > >I've got all 10 LPs and some of the very first singles >which I'd be happy to tape for you, although i'll admit >a couple of the LPs are a bit duff and not dissimilar to >indie lift music >- ('Let the Snakes crinkle their Heads to Death' for one) > >I don't know how this could be set up. I could tape a couple >of the better albums and maybe a personal 'best of'. > >Maybe you could send me copies of some stuff and I could mail >you back the tapes of Felt stuff. We'd have to decide on this. > >If you have other ideas mail me!! > >By the way my name is Paul. I live in Edinburgh where I'm a >Designer by day and DJ at night (well Saturday nights anyway) >I run a club called 'The Egg' where I get to inflict my musical >tastes on a surprisingly busy crowd - They appear to like Belle >& Sebastian a lot, which means I can play loads of songs. > >anyway, mail me if you'd like tapes or even just to chat. > >Bye for now, > >Paul > > > > >Hello Paul, Thanks for the brilliant offer (I only joined the group about 2 weeks ago, so I missed your message). I have just answered the duke's message (he offered the same thing) so maybe I'll see what comes of that first...? I don't know what other stuff you're into, so I suggest you name some bands or genres and I'll see if I can help you. I can't say I've got anything by the bands that are currently being mentioned in the group - I've never actually heard of them..... ;) from Holland ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Mon Sep 29 11:09:42 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Ninette) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:09:42 +0200 Subject: Sinister: samples Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970929100942.00663330@student.let.uva.nl> To all of you who have sent me samples: thanks a lot :), I'm afraid I can't listen to them yet as the blokies from the computer room here (at uni in Amsterdam, I study English by the way) tell me I need headphones. Obviously I haven't got any on me today, so I'll have to bring them next time I'm in Amsterdam for classes (that's Wednesday). CHEERS! from Holland.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From s9720251 at xxx.nl Mon Sep 29 11:38:49 1997 From: s9720251 at xxx.nl (Ninette) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:38:49 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Lilac Time for B&S and more. Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970929103849.00672878@student.let.uva.nl> Hello Michelle, I like your music taste! I'll just leave the bands I dig too: >the smiths, the divine comedy (saw them live...ace!), the sundays, the > jam, old bowie, teenage fanclub, elvis costello, talk talk, the beatles, jacques brel.... By the way, do you know Scott Walker? He did some brilliant versions of Brel songs. >. i wanted to add, >though, that i do love scottish accents (this is in regards to that old >thread), especially when scottish women speak. for instance, ruth from >eastenders and bess from "breaking the waves." I regularly watch EastEnders, even though all my Dutch friends laugh at me. I tell them it's a lot better than Dutch soaps, but thay still laugh at me. I spent a year in East Ham last year. That wasn't funny either, but I do love London so that compensated it a bit. And yes, I too like Scottish accents. Especially Isobel's on A Century Of Elvis.... Byeee!!! >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Sep 29 11:46:13 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:46:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: samples References: <1.5.4.32.19970929100942.00663330@student.let.uva.nl> Message-ID: <342F86F5.41C6@qss.co.uk> Paul... Cheers for playing tracks at the Egg on Saturday night. Playing three out of four on 3,6 9 was great. Special thanks too for Primitive Painters which I haven't heard for a good few years - Roxy Music's Street Life was top too. Got to sleep finally at 7:30am on Sunday, so I'm still pretty shattered. Regarding the picture on the cover of 3,6,9, it's Stuart and his girlfriend. This photo was used on some of the programmes that were lying around in the James Moir Hall last October when they played there. We'll be getting a scanner in at work soon, and when we do I'll send the scans of all the various rubbish I've collected from around that time to whoever's got a website and wants it so's that everyone who wants can download (I figured attaching them to mail messages might piss people who're on 14.4 modems!) Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Mon Sep 29 12:34:32 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:34:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Re: B&S guitar chords In-Reply-To: <199709271852.TAA25018@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Message-ID: For information, I've completely reorganised the collection of guitar chords on my WWW site after a large contribution from Ben Smith - many thanks Ben. These are now in release order and most of "If You're Feeling Sinister" is there, apart from that pesky one "Seeing Other People" which sounds damnable tricky to me. There's very little Tigermilk - so contributions welcome! Oh, and I weeded out some duplicate contributions at my own discretion to make things simpler. Sorry if you own contribution got the chop but I went on the basis of completeness! You'll find it all at http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/chords.html Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Mon Sep 29 14:23:11 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:23:11 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <01BCCCB9.4EECF760@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> >CLASS is a wonderful band too ! >I've got one Class 7" single (The album will be release soon) >there's a "link" to bands such as Mojave 3 and Belle and >Sebastian in their sound....amazing pop songs, sad vocals, >violins...LOVELY band ! Funny you mention that Ivo. Class is the first band I interviewed in my fanzine (in the same issue as B&S interview). I wouldn't compare them to Belle and Sebastian, however. Class' sound is much more subdued (I think). Class has only two players, while B&S have 8 (with the trumpet boy - Anyone know his name?). Belle and Sebastian are definitely subtle, but the musical complexity borders on Orchestral. I would say that Class is more Field Micesque (if anyone on the list has had a pleasure of hearing this wonderful, wonderful band). Peter (of Class) doesn't really like Belle and Sebastian much anyhow, or he thinks they're ok, but he's sick of people like me making too much of a fuss about them. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From C.B.Stride at xxx.uk Mon Sep 29 15:31:14 1997 From: C.B.Stride at xxx.uk (Dr C.B.Stride) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:31:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: OFFBEAT! reminder - top indie disco in Sheffield this Fri' Message-ID: <545EBDB79B8@woodhead.shef.ac.uk> OFFBEAT - a real indiepop night....... with late bar, free lollipops and request sheets Sheffield Uni' SU Raynor Lounge (non-students most welcome) 9pm to 1am, £2.50 on the door... **** Friday 3rd October ****** Also *** Saturday 1st November *** NOTE - change! ***** Friday 5th December Playing......Classic Indie, Punk POP 1977-1997 and C86/C96/new underground of indiepop..... DWEEB-CHAMELEONS-PASTELS-REM-SMITHS-CUD-PAVEMENT FALL- BLUR-JAM-HALF MAN HALF BISCUIT-TALULAH GOSH SUPER FURRY ANIMALS-ELASTICA-CURVE-URUSEI YATSURA- BOGSHED-TIGER-SNUFF-DEAD KENNEDYS-PWEI-CARTER USM STEREOLAB-CHINA DRUM-BLAGGERS ITA- BUZZCOCKS-PIXIES-BIS WEDDING PRESENT-ASH-BELLE&SEBASTIAN-SONIC YOUTH-BODINES. plus many more in the same vein...... for more details email C.B.Stride at Sheffield.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From thein at xxx.is Mon Sep 29 23:40:09 1997 From: thein at xxx.is (Thorey Einarsdottir) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:40:09 -0700 Subject: Sinister: I´m sorry!! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970929224009.006fefdc@rvik.ismennt.is> I´m pretty shure your all pretty bored of people asking for tape copies of Tigermilk, so i´m very sorry. If anyone would be so kind to make a copy for me, please E-mail me and I could give you some Icelandic music instead if you interrested. (some Icelandic music is actually pretty good.) Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Örvar. Þórey Einarsdóttir Mávahlíð 23 105 Reykjavík s: 5517089 --mail: thein at ismennt.is ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Mon Sep 29 16:35:48 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:35:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: B&S guitar chords Message-ID: <01BCCCF5.BED168E0@rainbow.qss.co.uk> OK - from memory, which doesn't take an awful lot... Electronic Renaissance : Verse... Am-C Chorus (F-C) x 4 G - straight back to verse This may not be entirely accurate, I've been drinking champagne to tast out new office today! I'll send som more Tigermilk ones at some point, it's just that I don't really know them by chords, more just how to play them and I'd need to be in front of a guitar to write down exactly what's what. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ta4091 at xxx.uk Mon Sep 29 18:28:04 1997 From: ta4091 at xxx.uk (Dazza) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:28:04 +0000 Subject: Sinister: B'n'S chords Message-ID: <3207A935445@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> I'm not so good at working out chords from listening to the record, but then again, my version of "Dylan in the Movies" was identical to the one at the chords site, so here goes (note these may be a half-tone flat or sharp, as I can never remember when I've tuned my guitar a semitone up or down...) Judy and the Dream of Horses a lot of the chords are major 7ths, especially in the first verse, ie: Bbmaj7 Judy wrote the saddest song Ebmaj7 Bbmaj7 She showed it to a boy in school today Judy where did you go wrong Ebmaj7 Bbmaj7 You used to make me smile when I was down etc. after the first verse, the guitar part is probably just major chords rather than major sevenths. Seeing Other People intro D C F D C F A G F D C D D C We lay on the bed there D Bm Kissing just for practice C Could we please be objective G D Cause the other boys are queing up behind us C A hand over my mouth D Bm A hand over the window C G Well if I remain passive and you just want to cuddle D A Well we should be ok and we won't get in a muddle F We're seeing other people C A At least, that's what we say we are doing etc. the second verse skips some of the first part, the instrumental I think is the same chords as the intro? If you play this fingerstyle you can pretty much imitate the piano part from the album version. All corrections/comments most welcome cheers Dazza ************ Dance me through the panic till I'm gathered safely in... ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mlang at xxx.com Mon Sep 29 19:29:04 1997 From: mlang at xxx.com (Matrix) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:29:04 -0500 Subject: Sinister: seeing other groups Message-ID: Looking at these five records, my top five of the year thus far, I am surprised how pedestrian they are... or at least how "mainstream". I guess this has been a weaker year in music because I just haven't bought enough records and it has been a bad year for hip hop. anyway..... 1. Belle and Sebastian- If You're Feeling Sinister 2. Moloko- Do you Like My Tight Sweater 3 Spiritualized- Ladies and Gentleman We are Floating in Space 4. Oasis- Be Here Now 5. Blur- Blur If you haven't heard the Moloko record.. do so. It is the year's great party record. Picture Digital Underground mixed with Portishead. matrix ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Yummycats at xxx.com Mon Sep 29 18:46:07 1997 From: Yummycats at xxx.com (Yummycats at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Simon Raymonde Message-ID: <970929134554_116913203@emout10.mail.aol.com> I drove three hours to Ear X-tacy in Louisville KY because it was the closest store that had Dogs on Wheels and they had SOLD IT ALREADY! But I did find a copy of Simon Raymonde's solo cd, so it was still worth the gas. Sounds almost nothing like the Cocteau Twins though, more like Morrissey. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.northern.soul at xxx.com Mon Sep 29 20:39:35 1997 From: a.northern.soul at xxx.com (Kate Dornan) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:39:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: recommended bands References: <970925121519_-1431148314@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <343003F7.52E53D94@mcmail.com> > << i'm on a couple of other lists and it seems that every day, someone > is > recommending another band. i've noticed that i've heard no > recommendations from this list (since i've been on it at least). now, > i > know we can't all be listening to nothing but belle and sebastian, so > > what is everyone out there listening to? >> hmm.... It's gotta be Orlando (album released today, really would objectively recommend it to anyone... better than even I had dared hope..) ...also Momus, Rialto, Pulp [anyone who knows me from old will be rolling their eyes at this point], Northern Soul, Magnetic Fields, Trembling Blue Stars, Jacques, Manics, errr...no I'll not carry on boring you all with my own little "tastes and quotes"... :-) love kate "waiting to be saved" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Sep 29 21:43:35 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:43:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: recommended bands References: <970925121519_-1431148314@emout13.mail.aol.com> <343003F7.52E53D94@mcmail.com> Message-ID: <343012F6.50F259AD@mail.zynet.co.uk> Kate Dornan wrote: > It's gotta be Orlando (album released today, > really would objectively > recommend it to anyone... better than even I had > dared hope..) ...also > Momus, erm, wouldn't mind hearing a tape of the orlando if anyone wants to be nice to me (or a review copy, hint hint Dickon, if you're still on the list!). Um, and on a related point to the Momus, the new Laila France record is excellent! Dunno when it's out exactly, but you should certainly look for it if you like Momus and that ilk. There's a 12" out too with the 'Trance Cocktail Airlines' track, including a drum'n'bass mix by yer man Currie. A man of many talents (although to be fair the d'n'b track isn't exactly great...). b&S content: um, played 'le pastie' in our Living Room club last night... good night, good turn out... hope that i pleased someone by playing the Belle track! the duke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Mon Sep 29 21:50:54 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:50:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the other side of tigermilk tapes References: <0039600000198680000002L002*@MHS> Message-ID: <343014AD.B3EE6730@mail.zynet.co.uk> > (bought the new photek album on the last day of > my holiday > in america, ... nothing on it as good as > two swords technique but then little else is. agree wholeheartedly on this one. i don;t think mr Parkes has done much better than the Seven Samuri single, or the Watermargin, whcih is all top quality stuff. The t-raenon single was gorgeous in a more understated manner though. The lp is a huge disappointment. > got thrown off the bus on tuesday. on the way to Union Chapel, on the bus, the bus driver stopped and came upstair to thro off some dude in a leather coat with a guitar who was reading a book. obviously some kind of problem between the two of them, the bus driver being a tosser, the dude being hilarious. Bus driver: 'you have to pay extra'. Dude: 'i haven't any money'. BD: 'I gave you change!' Dude: 'I spent it' !!!! Two cool junglist looking girls in back of bus (loud enough for everyone to hear) to bus driver: 'Get a life!' and 'then get a girlfriend.' Very amusing, a fine start to a fine evening. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattn at xxx.com Mon Sep 29 21:57:15 1997 From: mattn at xxx.com (Matthew A. Neimark) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:57:15 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <01BCCCF8.BEE89300@neurometrix4.neurometrix.com> >I tell them it's a lot better than Dutch soaps, but thay still laugh at >me. I spent a year in East Ham last year. That wasn't funny >either, but I do love London so that compensated it a bit. And yes, >I too like Scottish accents. Especially Isobel's on A Century Of >Elvis.... Byeee!!! It is a very nice accent, but it's that of Stuart David and not Isobel. Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mick at xxx.com Mon Sep 29 23:25:42 1997 From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:25:42 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Required Amt of B&S Content? Message-ID: <34302AE6.1A1FE78@indiepop.com> Hi there, I'm wondering exactly what the acceptable amount of B&S content is? I love B&S, but I like to talk about other things, too, as I'm sure most of you are as well. Still, I wouldn't want to fill anyone's mailbox with mail they don't want to read, so I thought I'd ask first. Oh, and should I post my radio show playlist? B&S will be on it (they should be first, unless I change my plans...) /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - mick at indiepop.com \ / Sandcastle Records - sandcastlerecords at indiepop.com | | http://www.citynet.net/personal/mick/SCastle.html | | | | "Beware the other head of Science, Arthur. It bites!" | | - the Tick | | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.kitchen at xxx.net Tue Sep 30 00:48:06 1997 From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:48:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Stuart Murdoch came round the other day... Message-ID: <34303E36.1BCD7E96@virgin.net> ...well, not round my house, but here on the list. He stopped off at an internet cafe and set himself in for a good coffee and a good read. Yeah he trawled through the archives and yeah he read the latest postings. He thinks some of this is quite amusing and other things he thinks shouldn't be here. He wouldn't go into detials, I don't think he wanted to offend. But he liked all the Ink Polaroids that people posted for the compo, some had him in stitches apparently. He's of the opinion that we've got a nice place here, and I thought we should maybe stop and think about that, I mean here we are openly loving this band and here he is the lead singer openly admiring our place in cyberspace. Bit weird when you think about it, or maybe that's just my student philosophical tendancies. Oh well, just thought you'd want to know he passed through. David Kitchen -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From kaori at xxx.org Tue Sep 30 02:27:36 1997 From: kaori at xxx.org (Kaori Laird) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:27:36 +0900 Subject: Sinister: Need infos Message-ID: <34305588.446B9B3D@laird.org> Hello Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls(This is Air Newzealand's greeting first line. I love this!). I need two infos; 1)I always liked Mercury Rev. Is anybody out here knows latest informations about them(or him)? I read an interview on Japanese magazine(translated article from some English text) about a half(or more than that) year ago and I was quite surprised to know they are still going as I thought they split up. 2)I am not the only one subscriber in Japan. I know there's somebody out there. I NEED B&S sales situation in Shinjuku area record shop as my base town, Shibuya, there is NO shops selling B&S at all even the Japanese "Sinister"CD! I am afraid I will miss new single when (if) they are imported to Japan. If there is anybody here from Tokyo area and know shops situation for B&S in Shinjuku, please mail me. I am OK in both, Japanese and English. Ta ta, Kaori ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From psm at xxx.net Tue Sep 30 10:57:47 1997 From: psm at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:57:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: Favourite Mishearing and Re: Sinister: Required Amt of B&S Content? In-Reply-To: <34302AE6.1A1FE78@indiepop.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Mick McMick wrote: > I'm wondering exactly what the acceptable amount of B&S content is? I > love B&S, but I like to talk about other things, too, as I'm sure most > of you are as well. Still, I wouldn't want to fill anyone's mailbox with > mail they don't want to read, so I thought I'd ask first. Oh, and should > I post my radio show playlist? B&S will be on it (they should be first, > unless I change my plans...) Hi Mick, I made a few comments on my WWW page when I first set up this list - see the URL at the bottom of this message to get there. Still pretty much stand by this after feedback from others but I'm always open to keep the list how people want it. I've recently joined another mailing list for another (nameless!) band and as far as I can see it's overrun with stuff of minority content. My own feeling is that B&S should at least be sort of mentioned in each message in some way - I mean that approximately, because there's been a lot of postings about related music recently (including by myself!) which is of some interest but *maybe* getting a bit far from the list just now. It's all a question of feel and personal opinion and I'm here to represent the majority feel. So people please mail me about the useful/not useful content of what they get. While we're at it, here's a B&S post!: FAVOURITE MISHEARING: When I first heard Stars of Track and Field I heard it like this: "... so you could wed Terry Underwood, feel the city..." Sad isn't it? A pathetic lack of attention to context. I quite liked this line, but when I heard the real one about terry underwear I was very pleased - unsual for a mishearing where I usually want "my lyric" to be the real one. Paul mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From John.Johnston at xxx.uk Tue Sep 30 12:05:41 1997 From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:05:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Mishearings... Message-ID: Hello everyone i've been wanting to share my number one B&S mishearing for some time and now the time has come. Cast your minds back to the magnificent opening of Stars of Track and Field... "Paint a new coat everyday, to suit your affairs..." I used to think wow, what a great idea. I pictured somebody staring at an enormous wardobe thinking "hmm, which coat for today...badass pimp look, out-of-work-football manager, winsome Indy-kid, ooh and they could all do with a lick of paint..." I figured that was the way to have the girls lining up to kiss you at the back of the stairs all of them mad for your well-painted coat. At last I saw where I had been going wrong. I was dead surprised when months later I actually read the lyrics. hey ho. i love this list xx john ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ta4091 at xxx.uk Tue Sep 30 14:08:59 1997 From: ta4091 at xxx.uk (Dazza) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:08:59 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Re: B'n'S chords Message-ID: <3342A2813EF@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> Just forgot yesterday, if anybody's interested, the chords for "Stars of Track and Field" at the chord site are correct BUT they are played with a capo on 2nd fret, so the verse opens with open A, the chorus is open E and Em, etc. I think its unusual for B'n'S in using so many open chords. But I may be wrong. cheers Dazza ************ Dance me through the panic till I'm gathered safely in... ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Nathan at xxx.uk Tue Sep 30 13:21:06 1997 From: Nathan at xxx.uk (Nathan at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:21:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Quick query Message-ID: <199709301221.NAA04860@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Anyone know or heard of The Jennifers ?, they're playing at my Uni tonight and I'm wondering if it's worth missing the Liv/Celtic match for it???? Nathan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith at xxx.uk Tue Sep 30 14:23:11 1997 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:23:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: On the sidelines again... Message-ID: <01BCCDAC.62455070@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Just noticed on the inside of the Verve album today that "BIttersweet Symphony" is credited to Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. This is hot on the heels of Allen Klein finding out that they used a sample from the Stones Orchestral version by Andrew Loog Oldham. Does anyone understand how Verve can lose their entire royalties on this point... Incidentally, it's not the main string motif that's the sample, it's much less obvious (so I'm told, I can't make it out myself). I mean, you appear to be able to make money out of doing a cover version, and when they do a completely different song with a small snatch of a weird stones cover version in itself they receive no money. Fuck... Actually I've just noticed, the credits say: Written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards Performed by the Andrew Loog Oldham orchestra Is somebody taking the piss here?! Big apologies for the lack of Belle and Sebastian content.. just thought some of the people on the list might be interested. Apologies also for apologising for the lack of B+S content. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From alaning at xxx.fr Tue Sep 30 15:32:56 1997 From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:32:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: some chords if you are interested Message-ID: <199709301331.PAA00954@mail2.isdnet.net> hi, here are two more sets of chords!! enjoy!! love, alan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Seeing other people.txt Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1215 bytes Desc: Seeing other people (Document texte) URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: like dylan in the movies.txt Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1342 bytes Desc: like dylan in the movies (Document texte) URL: From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk Tue Sep 30 14:49:36 1997 From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?stephen_trouss=E9?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:49:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Scottish Accents Message-ID: <199709301352.OAA09129@orange.easynet.co.uk> I too like Scottish accents. Especially Isobel's on A Century Of >Elvis.... It is a very nice accent, but it's that of Stuart David and not Isobel. For fans of the Glaswegian spoken word, can I tell everyone that the original Glasgow dreamer, Ivor Cutler, will be reading from his new book 'A Wet Handle' at my place of work, the Poetry Society, on October 8th at 7pm. Tickets are £4/£3. Call 0171 240 2133 to book. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ... This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. ... 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ta4091 at xxx.uk Tue Sep 30 16:11:59 1997 From: ta4091 at xxx.uk (D.T.G.EAST) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:11:59 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Century of Radio Message-ID: <33636895B53@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> Flicking through radio channels as I sit on the train into college this morning and what do I come across? Something that sounds very Belle'n'Sebish... Ah, it's that nice Mr Crowley playing "Century of Fakers" on XFM. It nearly made my morning. He also commented that "Lazy Line Painter Jane" was frequently requested... I fear the revolution is upon us. cheers Dazza ************ Dance me through the panic till I'm gathered safely in... ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From artyfartystudent at xxx.com Tue Sep 30 15:20:32 1997 From: artyfartystudent at xxx.com (Edwardo J Rollipops) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:20:32 EDT Subject: Sinister: hm... Message-ID: <19970930.071507.5359.0.artyfartystudent@juno.com> i've sent this twice already and i've not seen it on the list yet. i'm sorry if some of you have seen it more than once: --------------------------------------- >Lilac Time are relatively hard to come by in the >U.S., since their entire catalogue has been deleted. i am in love with the lilac time. i think that "and love for all" and "paradise circus" are their best. i haven't really had a difficult time finding their albums in the US. they kind of just fall into my lap. there was a charity shop in my home town (suburb of san diego) at which i found several lilac time (and orange juice!) goodies. that amazed me because nobody back there has very good taste. the last time i was in norwich i found a "laundry" 7" for 50 pence. a couple months ago i found "welcome to hell, here's your accordion" at a flea market here in san francisco. the only thing i don't have is "astronauts." perhaps if you don't look very hard you'll find what you're looking for. and as for music i'd recommend, here you go: the smiths, nick drake, the divine comedy, patti smith, the sundays, the magnetic fields, al green, mary margaret o'hara, the jam, the beautiful south, the soundtrack from 'breakfast at tiffany's,' old bowie, teenage fanclub, roxy music, elvis costello, simon and garfunkel, the style council, the trashcan sinatras, weekend, talk talk, burt bacharach, aztec camera, petula clark, the beatles, mcalmont & butler, sandie shaw, jacques brel...the list goes on and on and on... what have i been listening to lately? belle and sebastian, por supuesto. OH! i don't know if the question was ever answered, but the book on the cover of lazy line painter jane is, _reason and reality_ by john polkinghome. it's easier to read on the 12". ta ta! :) michelle ps-oops. sent this to the wrong address originally. i wanted to add, though, that i do love scottish accents (this is in regards to that old thread), especially when scottish women speak. for instance, ruth from eastenders and bess from "breaking the waves." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mlang at xxx.com Tue Sep 30 16:17:58 1997 From: mlang at xxx.com (Matrix) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:17:58 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk again and again. Message-ID: It is now really difficult for me not to think of Belle and Sebastian as my favorite band now that i have lived with Tigermilk for a week. I have a couple of comments about it... First of all, has anyone noticed that the beginning of She's Just a Baby is right from the beginning of Yes' Yours is no Disgrace? Funny, eh? The melodies on Tigermilk are really intensely memorable and wonderful. Does this now replace Phil Ochs' PLEASURES OF THE HARBOR as the best out of print album? hmmmm. I also wanted to add that if B&S do sign with Matador, that is good news for all of us, considering how many records Matador lets Guided by Voices put out per year. B&S will be able to be as prolific as they want. And on an unrelated note, very excited about the coming month of concerts I am going to see: Suzanne Vega, Billy Bragg, Seely, Moloko, Stereolab and Maceo parker all in the coming month! matrix ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Tue Sep 30 20:09:19 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:09:19 -0700 Subject: Sinister: mishearings Message-ID: <34314E5F.7889@earthlink.net> i taped sinister for a friend and when i saw him the next time i asked him what his favorite song was. (i didn't put the names of the songs on his tape) so he had to sing it for me. this is what he sang: "me and the midget don't see eye to eye on it" and i said "it's major" and he just thought it was a funny song about being friends with a midget. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk Tue Sep 30 16:07:05 1997 From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?stephen_trouss=E9?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:07:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Scottish Accents Message-ID: <199709301510.QAA11063@orange.easynet.co.uk> I too like Scottish accents. Especially Isobel's on A Century Of Elvis.... It is a very nice accent, but it's that of Stuart David and not Isobel. For fans of the Glaswegian spoken word, can I tell everyone that the original Glasgow dreamer, Ivor Cutler, will be reading from his new book 'A Wet Handle' at my place of work, the Poetry Society in Covent Garden, on October 8th at 7pm. He's much better than that guy who read at the Union Chapel! Call 0171 240 2133 for further info. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From parachute at xxx.net Tue Sep 30 20:18:48 1997 From: parachute at xxx.net (superbob) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:18:48 -0700 Subject: Sinister: sessions Message-ID: <34315098.2CD0@earthlink.net> hey. i was just at the sessions at west 54th site http://www.sessionsatwest54th.com/ and there's still no listing of the date for b&s....there is however a listing for november 1 (tindersticks) and november 15 (david byrne). -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From barzy at xxx.com Tue Sep 30 18:09:31 1997 From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:09:31 -0800 Subject: Sinister: 'compo' Message-ID: Here's a good one......It's of me and Tony on our first "proper" date. We went to the beach. Here we are by some rocks, in the sun. I look kind of funny cause i'm wearing my yellow, star-shaped sunglasses...He makes me feel like a superstar. All the birds were fighting over my chips, but I gave the most to this little brown one. I don't think he could fight too well. I didn't draw in the dumb people to our left. I was pretending they weren't there. Tony's feeding me cherries. He looks cute in the sun. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jacques.buron at xxx.fr Tue Sep 30 20:57:37 1997 From: jacques.buron at xxx.fr (Stephane.Buron) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:57:37 +0000 Subject: Sinister: B&S in France Message-ID: <343159B1.79C5@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Hi!!! B&S were said to come to France in november, for the "Festival des Inrockuptibles". Eventually, they won't play, but there are rumors about a gig in Paris: who knows when, and where? Thanks Stephane ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike at xxx.uk Tue Sep 30 19:24:50 1997 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:24:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: B'n'S chords In-Reply-To: <3342A2813EF@qmwcc7.qmw.ac.uk> Message-ID: Could someone *please* repost the URL for the chord site. I have a spare evening to try to learn a few songs to impress people. But I've lost the page.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the TRAUMATONE/Great Northern Electrics/Bacchanalian Revel homepage: http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From KELSO at xxx.com Tue Sep 30 19:33:15 1997 From: KELSO at xxx.com (Kelso) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:33:15 -0400 Subject: Sinister: revolution? Message-ID: DTG EAST wrote: >>> it's that nice Mr Crowley playing "Century of Fakers" on >>>XFM. It nearly made my morning. He also commented >>>that "Lazy Line Painter Jane" was frequently requested... >>>I fear the revolution is upon us >>>>> Hmmmm, maybe the revolution in the UK has begun, but without a label here in the US we have little to fear. B&S will stay very much underground without a label to promote them. Commercial radio over here will never bite on this band unless a label forces them to pay attention to the record. I'm sort of happy about that aspect of them not having a label here right now. And that is nothing against B&S' success, as it is that I can only wish the band nothing but that....it's just that I think I'd selfishly prefer them to stay on as a delightful little band known by a select few who truly understand, who truly appreciate, than see them become pop superstars known by everyone worldwide. Than have them be as familiar to the masses as REM and U2. By the way, there are lots of rumours as to who are going to represent the band labelwise in the US now that The Enclave is gone, but has any real deal been worked out? --kelso in NYC ============================================ "Sometimes all I really want to feel is love. Sometimes I'm angry that I feel so angry. Sometimes my feelings get in the way Of what I feel I really wanted to say." --modest mouse-- ============================================ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From KELSO at xxx.com Tue Sep 30 19:39:36 1997 From: KELSO at xxx.com (Kelso) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:39:36 -0400 Subject: Sinister: mishearings Message-ID: SUPERBOB wrote; >>>"me and the midget don't see eye to eye on it" >>>and i said "it's major" and he just thought it was a funny >>>song about being friends with a midget. >>>>> I'm at work and laughing out loud reading this one....just delighted by the faact that it would have been brilliant if the word had been midget...."me and the midget don't see ey to eye" is a wonderful phrase to turn. --kelso ============================================ "Sometimes all I really want to feel is love. Sometimes I'm angry that I feel so angry. Sometimes my feelings get in the way Of what I feel I really needed to say." --modest mouse-- ============================================ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnj at xxx.com Tue Sep 30 19:54:18 1997 From: johnj at xxx.com (J Jackson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:54:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Bitter Sweet Symphony In-Reply-To: <01BCCDAC.62455070@rainbow.qss.co.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970930195418.006908d4@mail.u-net.com> Hi Keith, the 'sample' was actually credited on the single of Bitter Sweet Symphony, it is from that orchestral version of 'The Last Time' which is quite good... I heard it in full on XFM one night. I have to say, far from it being a sample, BSS uses the whole song..with Mr Ashcroft singing over it..probably with a bit of production too, but all that is left out is the actual chorus part from 'The Last Time'. I tried to find this version in the shops but so far, no luck. Anyway, it IS obvious...and absolutely NOT a completely different song with a small string sample. Byeee! JJ >Just noticed on the inside of the Verve album today that "BIttersweet Symphony" is credited to Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. This is hot on the heels of Allen Klein finding out that they used a sample from the Stones Orchestral version by Andrew Loog Oldham. Does anyone understand how Verve can lose their entire royalties on this point... Incidentally, it's not the main string motif that's the sample, it's much less obvious (so I'm told, I can't make it out myself). I mean, you appear to be able to make money out of doing a cover version, and when they do a completely different song with a small snatch of a weird stones cover version in itself they receive no money. Fuck... Actually I've just noticed, the credits say: > > Written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards > Performed by the Andrew Loog Oldham orchestra > >Cheers, > Keith. _______________________________________________________ Run away! Run away! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Moonstar9 at xxx.com Tue Sep 30 20:08:33 1997 From: Moonstar9 at xxx.com (Moonstar9 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake Message-ID: <970930150707_-961810361@emout20.mail.aol.com> has anyone else heard late 60's/ early 70's pop singer nick drake? B&S sound very very close in sound to him. it's like having more b&s albums to listen to. anyway, jared ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Tue Sep 30 20:20:03 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:20:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Stuart Murdoch came round the other day... References: <34303E36.1BCD7E96@virgin.net> Message-ID: <343150E3.9F5CF332@mail.zynet.co.uk> David & Katrina wrote: > He's of the opinion that we've got a nice place > here, and I thought we > should maybe stop and think about that, I mean > here we are openly loving > this band and here he is the lead singer openly > admiring our place in > cyberspace. > > Bit weird when you think about it, or maybe > that's just my student > philosophical tendancies. no, i think that's just the 'concept' that you have some kind of idea of equality, like, you have a mutual respect for what someone might be doing, whatever the medium. i think it's important to not deal with people on this 'star' idea because they happen to have made some great records and be a poet or whatever. People have different great qualities, and just because you don't write the songs or words that Stuart Murdoch might write doesn't mean he's 'better' than you, just 'better' at those things... and similarly there will be a vice versa. Maybe we're better dancers ;-) Still, mutual respect... it's great. (and obviously i don't mean rampant back-slapping!) So yeah, cool. Let's keep our faith in Pop, but let's not forget that we all of us contribute to the world in a way that is unique and individual. Keep the faith, the duke. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tangent at xxx.uk Tue Sep 30 20:09:20 1997 From: tangent at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:09:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Mishearings... References: Message-ID: <34314E60.53D0286E@mail.zynet.co.uk> the line 'maybe i should make a move' in forget my dreams, i thought it went 'maybe i should make amends', which i kinda like better but then i'm a loser anyway. hence the line about making amends in my 'review' of the ep. 'i'm a losing boy'. the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From aeos at xxx.com Tue Sep 30 21:21:14 1997 From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:21:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Jennifers Message-ID: <199709302019.VAA00720@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> > Anyone know or heard of The Jennifers ?, they're playing at my Uni tonight > and I'm wondering if it's worth missing the Liv/Celtic match for it???? Well of course this is going to be too late for you, Nathan, but I thought it was worth being publically amazed on this point, for The Jennifers was the name of a band which was around Oxford Early 90s, I suppose, and which contained none other than Mickey Quinn and Danny Goffey, now both of Supergrass! They did a few low-key singles and a bit of local gigging, and appear to have been quite reputable. It's just possible that the remaining members could have carried on quietly all this time. But then it's more likely that it's just a new band. But I ask you, 'The Jennifers? It's not exactly a good name, but I suppose it had some special meaning for the band. But it's unlikely that anyone else would a) come up with exactly the same name, and b) be allowed to get to the point of gigging, and not run into problems..... Makes you think. Do tell us [or just me if no-one else is interested] if you hear anything that might clear this up, Nathan. * * * * * * Andrew O'Sullivan aeos at dial.pipex.com http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan "You've been chosen as an extra in the adaptation of the sequel to the movie of your life." * * * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . 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For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sgold06 at xxx.edu Tue Sep 30 22:30:48 1997 From: sgold06 at xxx.edu (Steve Goldman) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: revolution? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually, certain small markets are making a bit of a niche for B&S...especially on the college circuit... Here in Atlanta, Criminal Records in Little Five Points and stations WREK (Georgia Tech) and WRAS (Georgia State) have had B&S on their heavy rotation lists for months now...also, Criminal has been pushing the album rather heavily, giving it a great review in their self-published fanzine... So, among college folk down here, they're not unheard of...now, in Kansas, well, I can't say...;P --Steven *************************************************************************** Steven Goldman * * Box 22688 * Fun-lover, pop freak, sometimes * Emory University * DJ, and aspiring actor/writer/director * Atlanta, GA 30322 * * (404) 251-8310 * "Faith manages." * sgold06 at emory.edu * --Delenn, "Babylon 5" * WWW: http://tswww.cc.emory.edu/~sgold06 * *************************************************************************** On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Kelso wrote: > DTG EAST wrote: > >>> it's that nice Mr Crowley playing "Century of Fakers" on > >>>XFM. It nearly made my morning. He also commented > >>>that "Lazy Line Painter Jane" was frequently requested... > >>>I fear the revolution is upon us > >>>>> > > Hmmmm, maybe the revolution in the UK has begun, but > without a label here in the US we have little to fear. B&S will > stay very much underground without a label to promote them. > Commercial radio over here will never bite on this band unless > a label forces them to pay attention to the record. I'm sort of > happy about that aspect of them not having a label here right > now. And that is nothing against B&S' success, as it is that I > can only wish the band nothing but that....it's just that I think > I'd selfishly prefer them to stay on as a delightful little band > known by a select few who truly understand, who truly > appreciate, than see them become pop superstars known by > everyone worldwide. Than have them be as familiar to the > masses as REM and U2. > > By the way, there are lots of rumours as to who are going to > represent the band labelwise in the US now that The Enclave > is gone, but has any real deal been worked out? > > --kelso > in NYC > ============================================ > "Sometimes all I really want to feel is love. > Sometimes I'm angry that I feel so angry. > Sometimes my feelings get in the way > Of what I feel I really wanted to say." > --modest mouse-- > ============================================ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sgold06 at xxx.edu Tue Sep 30 22:33:29 1997 From: sgold06 at xxx.edu (Steve Goldman) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: Tigermilk Message-ID: I know you all have heard this to hell and back, but... Anyone able to help a poor bloke out with a tape copy of "Tigermilk" (if your stereos aren't worn out already)? I don't know what I can offer in return, but I can certainly throw together a comp tape of what I'm listening to, or send off a blank and some postage... Thanks to whoever responds! --Steven *************************************************************************** Steven Goldman * * Box 22688 * Fun-lover, pop freak, sometimes * Emory University * DJ, and aspiring actor/writer/director * Atlanta, GA 30322 * * (404) 251-8310 * "Faith manages." * sgold06 at emory.edu * --Delenn, "Babylon 5" * WWW: http://tswww.cc.emory.edu/~sgold06 * *************************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From gram at xxx.com Tue Sep 30 23:23:23 1997 From: gram at xxx.com (gram) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:23:23 -0500 Subject: Sinister: mishearing too! Message-ID: <86256522.007AA250.00@internet-503.interliant.com> >i've been wanting to share my number one B&S mishearing for some time >and now the time has come. Cast your minds back to the magnificent >opening of Stars of Track and Field... >"Paint a new coat everyday, to suit your affairs..." For a while II thought it was: "hey can you call everyday...." when your mind's not sure and your ears try to fill in the blanks. g r a m ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister at majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From leslie.chinea at xxx.com Tue Sep 30 20:49:21 1997 From: leslie.chinea at xxx.com (leslie.chinea at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:49:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sonic confusion (lyric misinterpretations) Message-ID: <00022E00.003103@xx.emimusic.com> regarding lyric misinterpretations a-bergman wrote: >>Cast your minds back to the magnificent >>opening of Stars of Track and Field... >>"Paint a new coat everyday, to suit your affairs..." >>I'd thought that one was "make a new cult every day, to suit your >>affairs..." though I couldn't for the life of me figure out what the >>hell that meant. I'd thought he sang "making new Cole Porter every day to suit your affairs... silly me! leslie. -------------- next part -------------- Received: from server1.emimusic.com (193.122.8.130) by imailgp.xx.emimusic.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00022DA5; Wed, 1 Oct 97 00:51:40 +0100 Received: from envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (envy.ph.ed.ac.uk [129.215.72.168]) by server1.emimusic.com with SMTP id AAA05927 for (2.1.1h-8.8.5/3.1.17); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:43:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01535 for sinister-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:07:17 +0100 Received: from hecky.acns.nwu.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA01531 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:07:10 +0100 Received: from asr851.reshall.acns.nwu.edu (all070066.res-hall.nwu.edu [209.100.70.66]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA08133 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:07:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970930180543.006befc0 at hecky.acns.nwu.edu> X-Sender: ajb882 at hecky.acns.nwu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:05:43 -0500 To: sinister at majordomo.net From: Amanda Bergman Subject: Sinister: sonic confusion (lyric misinterpretations) In-Reply-To: <86256522.007AA250.00 at internet-503.interliant.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Amanda Bergman