From parachute at xxx.net  Wed Apr  1 05:57:52 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (bradford)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:57:52 -0800
Subject: Sinister: alright then
Message-ID: <3521C950.7D10@earthlink.net>

okay.
haven't written in for a couple of days cause i have now joined the
ranks of a lot of you on this list. i got a new job where i sit in front
of a fucking computer all day. i'm an operator. as in telephone
operator. i'm the 411 guy.

unlike others, i don't mind all the off topic crap that gets posted to
this list, but there does seem to be a hell of a lot more of it lately.
did we have a bunch of new subscribers lately, paul? or is there nothing
good on the tube?

and for those of you who put down good will hunting....i think one of
you called it trite.....i won't even go the way of saying "well, in my
opinion" and all that....i'm just gonna say "you're wrong". it is a very
good movie. and i'm a sucker for minnie driver. and while i was watching
the oscars, my eyes teared up when robin williams won supporting actor,
and i don't even like robin williams. and i would never fork out money
for a movie that cost 200 million to make (titanic) cause that says
you're just gonna get a bunch of special effects and a love story that
i'm sure has been told before. and elliot smith is my new hero lately. i
just recently got his first album and i've had the others for a while.
but someone, hell, i can't remember who, remarked to me the similarity
between him and ol' nick drake and i have to agree. so any movie that
puts seven or eight elliot smith songs in it is a ok in my books.

in summary, 
1. new job
2. an influx of off topic crap
3. good will hunting is marvelous
4. i haven't seen it, but titanic is crap
5. elliot smith is neat-o


-brad
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From TWidmer at xxx.com  Wed Apr  1 01:43:53 1998
From: TWidmer at xxx.com (Tara Widmer)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:43:53 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Fun for the Family!
Message-ID: <81C1FB3F4D1ED111A51400805FC1DF0312917D@amerwksnt01.xil.com>

in a really very lovely post Rod wrote:
<<It matters not how good a piece of music is.  It is what is reminds
you off that makes you like it.>>
...which has, for better or worse, given me the cojones to write that
one song which makes me go all tight in the chest and misty eyed is
"being Boring" by Pet Shop Boys.
I'm not even a big fan, it's just, when i hear this, I get The Lowest
Saddest Feeling... Ever in my heart. Then seeing the video didn't
help... ironically, all these young beautiful people happy and in love,
upset me even more!   

> >most people get completely wrong impressions about what people are
going to look like before they see their picture/meet them.
So, has anybody ever been pleasantly surprised in this regard? do
tell... I'm curious

I met this girl who I chatted with on AOL, and the weirdest bit was that
not only did we look so much alike, but we were dressed the same way,
same hair - everything! and it's odd because I thought, she's so
pretty!! but when I look at myself I think, oh nothing special...

looking forward to the Spice show review...
taracita


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From rewb2 at xxx.uk  Wed Apr  1 01:53:27 1998
From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (Rob B)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:53:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: sad sad songs
Message-ID: <199804010054.BAA24037@sand.global.net.uk>

greetings people

my my the list is active at the moment...
i've just waded my way through about 100 e-mails from you lot, so i've
decided to inflict my selection of tear-inducing ballads upon you.


mazzy star - fade into you (again!)
b&s - boy done wrong again, you made me forget my dreams
madder rose - while away, swim
primal scream - you're just dead skin to me ..*sob*
galaxie 500 - spook
mojave 3 - love songs on the radio, you're beautiful, etc...
boo radleys - lazarus, spaniard
slowdive - shine, altogether
telescopes - you set my soul (my shoegazing days are haunting me again)
trembling blue stars - i'm tired, i've tried

i'm sure there are more - none come to mind at the moment though
i think almost all of my favourite songs are sad - i don't know why, but i
can't get as much out of a happy, uplifting song as i can out of a
heart-rendingly sad, beautiful one - i'm not sure what that says about me -
maybe i should get out more - but never mind.

love to all
rob
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From susannah at xxx.net  Wed Apr  1 08:10:09 1998
From: susannah at xxx.net (susannah)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 07:10:09 GMT
Subject: Sinister: its just filth, don't read it.
Message-ID: <980401071009.n0010624.tormentor@mail.clara.net>

Well, yes I did do the sleaze quiz, and did manage to beat Keith by a whopping 6
points. But I didn't do it by having anal sex, I'd just like to point that out
now.

So, it was a fun quiz, but not exactly Belle and Sebastian related, and so, with
my warped litle mind , I've come up with the following:
How BelleandSebastian sleazy are you?
This is for adults only, any kids on the list please leave the room now.

1) Have you ever fantasised about 'doing it' with any members of Belle and
Sebastian?
One point for each member, two points  if they're the same sex as you, and a
bonus 5 points if you've fantasised about more than one of them at the same
time.

2) Have you actually indulged in self-gratification whilst fantasising about a
member of BelleandSebastian?
Two points for each member, double for same sex,  ten points for Richard or
Sarah. Bonus five if they are still playing their instruments.

3) Have you ever fantasised about doing it with another list member?
One point for each one,  bonus 5 points if you've fantasised about more than one
of them at the same time, and a whopping ten point bonus if it was Northy or
Begbie.

4) Do you genuinely believe that Stuart Murdoch is gay?
One point. Bonus 5 points if you'd LIKE him to be gay because it turns you on.

5) Are you gay?
One point.

6) Have you ever  indulged in self-gratification whilst listening to Belle and
Sebastian records?
One point for each song listened to, bonus ten points if it was 'Me and the
Major'.

7) Have you ever had an erotic dream about a member of Belle and Sebastian?
5 points for each member. Bonus 5 points for Richard or Stevie. 

8) Have you ever had sex whilst listening to Belleand Sebastian?
Five points for each time, Ten points for 'Me andtheMajor' and Twenty if it was
up the arse.

9) Have you ever met any of BelleandSebastian?
Two points for each one, five if it was Isobel or Stuart M, ten if physical body
contact took place, twenty if you touched Stuart M's gearstick or saw him in
shorts.

10) Have you ever 'got off' with a list member?
Five points, double if Northy or Begbie, ten points for actual penetrative sex.
Fifty if it was up the arse. And you can double that if it was Tag.

11) Have you ever got off with a member of BelleandSebastian?
Ten points, fifty for sex, and disqualification if it was up the arse cos you're
a liar.

12) Have you ever sent porn to any member of Belleand Sebastian?
One thousand points.

Finally, give yourself a Bonus 50 points each time foxes are involved. 


susannah.






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From susannah at xxx.net  Wed Apr  1 08:28:52 1998
From: susannah at xxx.net (susannah)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 07:28:52 GMT
Subject: Sinister: this is just filth, don't read it Part II
Message-ID: <980401072852.n0010625.tormentor@mail.clara.net>

Oh, yeah, the results:


<5        you're probably under 16 and I told you not to read it.
6-20     Could do better,  you want to listen to 'Seeing other People' a bit
more often.
20-50   You're pretty sleazy, a couple more erotic dreams and you'll be doing OK
50-1000 Keith, tag, paul, I expect you to be in this bracket
1000+   Is your name Stuart david?

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From johnj at xxx.com  Wed Apr  1 07:30:42 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Jackson)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 07:30:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I've made up my mind and that's that
References: <3521C950.7D10@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3521DF12.77C5@seahouses.u-net.com>

bradford let his fingers do the walking:

> and i don't even like robin williams. and i would never fork out money
> for a movie that cost 200 million to make (titanic) cause that says
> you're just gonna get a bunch of special effects and a love story that
> i'm sure has been told before.

Then you miss out I'm afraid. Titanic may have it's faults but amongst
the 'love story..been told before' is the awful truth about the events
when the boat sank, I was quite shocked by it all and it IS a great 
bit of cinema. The special effects are necessary, no one has ever shown
a boat sinking before like this.

But you'll never know that because you won't ever see it :)

JJ
xx


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From johnj at xxx.com  Wed Apr  1 07:38:27 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Jackson)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 07:38:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: this is just filth, don't read it Part II
References: <980401072852.n0010625.tormentor@mail.clara.net>
Message-ID: <3521E0E3.3F06@seahouses.u-net.com>

susannah wrote:

> <5        you're probably under 16 and I told you not to read it.
> 6-20     Could do better,  you want to listen to 'Seeing other People' a bit
> more often.
> 20-50   You're pretty sleazy, a couple more erotic dreams and you'll be doing OK
> 50-1000 Keith, tag, paul, I expect you to be in this bracket
> 1000+   Is your name Stuart david?

Erm I got a whopping 11.

JJ
xx

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From jane at xxx.net  Wed Apr  1 08:18:03 1998
From: jane at xxx.net (jane at xxx.net)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:18:03 +1000
Subject: Sinister: stuff
Message-ID: <3521EA2B.6CAD@cola.net>

hi pop tarts
i've got a sad story to tell.  
well, actually it's a happy story with a sad ending.
here goes... (this is the happy bit)
i just got some photos developed and there's this one of me at an
in-store record signing (Gaslight records, Bourke Street, Melbourne)
with the wondrous Stereolab.  
The next night i saw them play and it was a tremendously joyous
occasion.  
This is all very happy (the sad bit's coming up).
Y'see living in Australia, the chance of seeing a nice band is akin to
one of those religious sitings (you know when some farmer from naples
sees the image of jesus in his pumpkin patch)  ie. it's (a) very rare
and (b) treated by devotees like a gift from god.
In any case me and my friends get extremely excited when anybody comes
to play for us.  yo la tengo were also here last month which set all our
hearts aflutter.  
nevertheless, it's tres sad for us pop kids whose favourite bands can't
afford to travel all the way across the ocean to play with us.
anyway the point is i love b&s and loads of other lovely bands (too
numerous to mention) heaps and heaps and it makes me sad to hear you
talking about them with such familiarity.  (but don't stop, it brightens
my day to read b&s tales).  
there's only one record shop in the whole city which even stocks b&s
records and you have to buy them on import (approx. $35 for a record,
$15 for a 7 inch). 
do you all feel sorry for me yet and love me more for my isolation?
hope so.
a-oh!  (we just got teletubbies - although absolutely no one has heard
of it)
jane.

hmm - would cliff send this?  better ask my mum, she used to be in the
cliff richard fan club when she was 15.
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From John.Johnston at xxx.uk  Wed Apr  1 09:49:46 1998
From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:49:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: happy
Message-ID: <199804010849.JAA15835@hgty.capgemini.co.uk>

I was thinking that I can instantly think of sad songs and songs that
make me cry but then I thought what about the other end of the
spectrum....

Sad songs say so much and all that but what with Summer Time now upon us
(even if it isn't Summertime yet) and the picnic season fast approaching
(Yippeeee!!!) I'd like to mention that sometimes music can (whisper
it!!) make you impossibly happy. Some songs make me grin from start to
finish and revel in every second of their duration. These tend to be
Disco classics and above all "Disco Inferno". There's such an epic
majesty to that song but for one purpose and one purpose only - to get
people moving on the dancefloor. Its intentions are clear and its
methods are ruthless; strings, percussion, trumpets, cymbals and guitars
dedicated to making you forget anything that was wrong, accentuating the
positive and eliminating the negative. If I had had any part in the
recording or production of that song I would consider my life well lived
and every time I hear it start a smile spreads across my lips. Who needs
drugs when you've got Disco!!!

A lot of the songs I love say nothing to me about my life. And I think
"Thank God for that" - if every song I heard said "You are a balding
computer programmer who'll never find  a girlfriend" life would be a
right pickle.

xx
John
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From elfie at xxx.ie  Wed Apr  1 11:57:21 1998
From: elfie at xxx.ie (nickie)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:57:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: sad stuff
Message-ID: <199804011055.LAA07132@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>



on the subject of sad stuff.
i think the saddest thing i ever saw was a section of the John Lennon
documentary 'Imagine.'
John hears that there's some chap's been camping out on his lawn for a
couple of days (he's living in a mansion/stately home type rich person's
abode so he hasn't noticed the guy on the grounds or anything). so John
gets
someone to call the boy up to the house. The next thing you see is the boy
standing outside the house with John talking to him...giving out to him
really. John is trying to explain that there's nothing godly or even
interesting about himself...he's just a man...those songs he wrote are just
words, they weren't written for the boy - they were
written only with John, or maybe even Yoko in mind.
The little camper just looks slightly stunned, and very bedraggled from
sleeping rough in his idol's garden...he's also trying not to cry

next scene, john and yoko and the boy are sitting around a table eating
lunch...the boy is obviously starving cos he's eating really ravenously
with his hands and the other two are just looking at him...John keeps
repeating what he's said...he's being pretty harsh but i guess it's a real
pain for him to have people following him all the time(see Mark Chapman for
details)...the sad thing is the look on the boy's face.
it's a mixture of feeling stunned and euphoric to be inside John Lennon's
house,
actually in the company of the person who he's loved for years and years
and who's company he probably always imagined being in, and then sadness
because he's realising that the dream he had was exactly that and his whole
world is collapsing...he's still fighting back the tears...makes me cry
every time...

but then again i have a very bad record for crying at films...see "The Land
Before Time" for details...bear in mind that my mum used to turn on
"Lassie" when visitors came round so that they could laugh at me
crying...that show killed me every time...it got to the point where i
started crying at the sound of the opening notes cos i just
kept remembering all the times when Lassie nearly died...or saved that poor
deaf child from a burning treehouse etc....
of course now i've grown into a hardened cynical old hag and these things
don't effect me at all anymore...no really...sob.


nickie
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From mbgustat at xxx.net  Wed Apr  1 14:01:12 1998
From: mbgustat at xxx.net (Mike Gustat)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 08:01:12 -0500
Subject: Sinister: SPIN MAGAZINE MAY98
Message-ID: <35223A98.2607@idt.net>

B&S - featured page 106 in May '98 Spin Magazine
CHECK IT OUT!
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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Wed Apr  1 14:39:37 1998
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:39:37 EST
Subject: Sinister: happy
Message-ID: <a11d16d0.3522439f@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-04-01 03:52:33 EST, you write:

> I'd like to mention that sometimes music can (whisper
>  it!!) make you impossibly happy. Some songs make me grin from start to
>  finish and revel in every second of their duration. These tend to be
>  Disco classics and above all "Disco Inferno". 


Yes indeed!  Of course, having lived through disco in "real time" that
particular genre still makes me cringe... high-waisted pants and platform
shoes, perfect hair, gold chains.... stop! it's like a really bad flashback!

The happiest music at this time of year, for me anyhow, are the songs that
tell you SUMMER IS HERE!!!  When I hear the Beach Boys "Fun Fun Fun" and
"Surfin' Safari" -- and the beautiful "Surfer Girl" ...  and Jan & Dean, and
"Wipeout" -- it clears my head of all the duty and sludge of winter and puts
me in the mind of days filled with sun and laughing and possibilities.  The
best thing is when you are stuck in traffic, just about this time of year when
the weather is on the cusp of change, and you are grrrring at everyone around
you, and suddenly you hear one of these golden songs on the radio.  You put
down the car windows, crank up the volume to full blast and start to laugh at
yourself and the world around you.  The grayness disappears and people passing
on the street look up to see where the music is coming from -- and they start
to smile as well.  Maybe they are actually laughing at you -- singing off-key
at a traffic light -- but it doesn't matter at all.  You made them happy as
well.  For that minute all is sunny and warm, the light changes and you can
drive really fast down the street pretending you are in a little deuce coupe
with your hair blowing in the breeze....  

Sad songs are too lovely and heartbreak is sometimes sooo  bittersweet -- but
it's good to remember that music can make one incredibly happy as well.  It's
true, as someone here recently said, that the music we love is caught up with
our memories.  When a song makes you cry, or laugh, or think of something
bigger than yourself,  no apologies are necessary  -- the music is yours
whether someone else thinks it's crap or not.   That's why there are so many
different kinds ... because there are so many different people with so many
different strings to be plucked in their souls.

Oops!  approaching introspection ...  going to go listen to "Sloop John B"  


--michele
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From t.hopkins at xxx.uk  Wed Apr  1 15:41:21 1998
From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:41:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Reggae and worse: How low can you go? 
Message-ID: <199804011437.PAA09030@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>

The boy chariot said:

> As of a week last Tuesday I am a huge reggae fan and always have been. Is
> anyone familiar with a gentleman called Yabby You? I am considering a
> major
> purchase, the 2 CD package, Jesus Dread 72-77. I think I'm going to buy it
> anyway, but if someone could just tip me over the edge, I'd be grateful. I
> bought The Congos on saturday, crazy name, crazy guys.
> 
Youuuuu...yabby yabby youuuuuu.....youuuuuu...flabby flabby youuuuuu.
Buy the Yabby LP Peter, if you can stretch to the price. I don't have it,
but am familiar with the LP 'Conquering Lion' which is included in its
entirety I believe. Beee-autiful. 'Heart of The Congos' is another absolute
classic roots album, which I cannot recommend highly enough to you fine
folks.
Talking of reggae, the saddest song I can recall (apart from perhaps 'Brass
Buttons', 'A Song  For You' and '$1000 Wedding', all by Gram Parsons) is a
reggae tune, 'The Long Way' by the marvellous Junior Byles. Top drawer, I
can tell you. Oooh, I'm filling up just thinking about it.

Fans of bassical music might do well also to listen to the new Ninja Tune
compilation, which glories in the delightful title of 'Funkungfusion'. It's
a doozy, as they say.

On a more serious note... Rod Begbie wrote:

	>Vodka??  Bloody hell, they're rich around your bit.  The
15-year-olds here
	>are always after "Ol' Gutrot's Improbably Strong Scrumpy", price
45p for
	>2l from the nearest paki shop.

Um, my guess is that I'm not the only one who was troubled and offended by
the use of the phrase 'paki shop'....Rod, I would not suggest that you are
being deliberately or consciously racist in this post, but you should be
more bloody careful with the way you use language. 'Paki shop' is racist
language and has no place on this mailing list. Enough said, I hope.

Laters

tim


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From rod at xxx.com  Wed Apr  1 18:03:53 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:03:53 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: here comes the science bit ... concentrate!
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980401165913.12455L-100000@nammu>

hey kids!

just about finished off the new edition of PopGob, which'll go on-line in
the next hour or two.  two issues old, and already it's not as funny as it
used to be.  i'll spare you the full blurb, but here's the short
announcement:

 .oPYo. .oPYo. .oPYo.     | PopGob ... http://www.begbie.com/popgob/
 8    8 8    8 8    8     | the internet's leading pop gossip magazine
 8    8 8    8 8    8     | 
 8YooP' `YooP' 8YooP'     | as featured in bbc radio one, need to know,
 8 ....::.....:8 ....:    | the guardian and the scotsman
 8 ::::::::::::8 _::_:|_  |
 ..::::::::::::.(_|(_)|_) | more facts thank you can shake a stick at
                 _|       

i've spent all day doing it, so i can't be bothered pressing the shift key
to get capital letters.  normal service'll be resumed tomorrow.  anyhoo,
here's the contents of my brain today...

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Eimeir Tereasa McCartan wrote:

>   Could anyone tell me when the new single by the dandy warhols 
> is out

april 20th, 'parrently (although that's the day that virgin are claiming
'modern rock song' is coming out, so who knows). their album's available
on import in HMV for #12.99.  anyone know if it's worth it?

> why is neil hannon fucking alive when 
> hes a vile smug little wanker

anyone see "him" on 'stars in their eyes'?  the audience hadn't the first
f---ing clue who he was meant to be!

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Sarah wrote:

> "I'm not a trendy asshole i do what i want..."
> and lets see which Sinister dudes can NAME the song and artist from
> which that quote came.... GO ON I DARE YOU! 

i think that admitting to owning a tape of this album would be more
controversial than admitting liking the spice girls, but it's 'smash' by
'the offspring'. 

> "I try to make everyones day a little more surreal"
>                 ***Calvin!**** 

one of my favourite calvin strips of all times, that one (i still do the
"i'd like to order a pizza' thing myself.)  

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Alan Prior wrote:
> Oh, and Rod; All Saints are better than the Spice Girls.

hmm.. the jury's still out on that one... but the saints wouldn't be here
today if it weren't for our pioneering girl power chums.

> Film Quote of the day; "if i ever start refering to these as the best days
> of my life, remind me to kill myself" This is in my school yearbook
> profile, where it also says i am "intense and glittery". Hmmmmm.

ooh!  i know that one, but can't place it for the life of me.  heathers?
my uni yearbook entry had questions for "in ten years time i would like to
be..." and "in ten years time i will probably be..."  my answers were
"living off the royalties of my wife, sporty spice" and "31.  or dead."

On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Rob B wrote:
> [sad songs]
> boo radleys - lazarus, spaniard

that's interesting, cause i always have 'lazarus' down as a happy song.
something about that powerful trumpety fanfare just makes me shiver with
niceness.

On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, susannah wrote:
> [sinister sleaze test]
> 10) Have you ever 'got off' with a list member?
> Five points, double if Northy or Begbie, ten points for actual penetrative sex.
> Fifty if it was up the arse. And you can double that if it was Tag.

which raises all kinds of metaphysical questions.  did i spend my teenage
years building up a collosal sleaze score?  i think we should be told...

on a less flippant point, apologies to any offended by my use of racist
language.  not at all intentional -- i paused before typing it, but
definitely not for long enough.  believe me, i'm the least racist guy on
the planet.

3 days to the spice girls concert...

rod.

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From paiku at xxx.com  Wed Apr  1 17:24:45 1998
From: paiku at xxx.com (punch drunk)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 08:24:45 PST
Subject: Sinister: all i wanted was to sing the saddest song...
Message-ID: <19980401162447.21844.qmail@hotmail.com>


This thread that I'm replying may be from a long time ago, i don't know 
because i havent' checked my email in a while.  Songs that reduce me to 
tears: :~)  I cried for the longest time when listening to Radiohead 
after i saw them in the summer, partly because of the songs and partly 
because of the new crop of I love that song Karma Police" girls and boys
 (j/k, sort of)
But the songs that make me sad, but in nice way are lucky and No 
surprises mostly.  Also, Jeff Buckley's So Real is just simple beauty, 
as is the whole album Grace. 

sarah

>does anyone else hear songs that they absolutely love and yet cannot 
bea=
>r
>to listen to because the songs make them too sad? and which songs are
>these?<
>
>oh wow, yes...all the time. especially spiritualised's 'broken heart'. 
it=
>'s
>the most beautiful song i have ever heard, yet makes me want to cry 
every=
>
>time i hear it <sigh>
>but the sad songs are always the best (eg. manics, b&s). i have so many
>home-made compilation tapes of sad songs. somehow they always seem to 
mak=
>e
>me feel a wee bit better...though listening to your favourite song when 
y=
>ou
>are really, really sad can sometimes ruin it and that is a bad thing. 
am =
>i
>making sense? probably not...but i'd better go before i start making 
you
>all feel sad too.
>
>love always,
>Debbie xxx. =


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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Wed Apr  1 17:57:17 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:57:17 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Sad Reggae 
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-----Original Message-----
De: Hopkins T <t.hopkins at lancaster.ac.uk>
Para: 'sinister at majordomo.net' <sinister at majordomo.net>
Fecha: miércoles 1 de abril de 1998 16:46
Asunto: Sinister: Reggae and worse: How low can you go?



>Youuuuu...yabby yabby youuuuuu.....youuuuuu...flabby flabby youuuuuu.
>Buy the Yabby LP Peter, if you can stretch to the price. I don't have it,
>but am familiar with the LP 'Conquering Lion' which is included in its
>entirety I believe. Beee-autiful. 'Heart of The Congos' is another absolute
>classic roots album, which I cannot recommend highly enough to you fine
>folks.

Thank you, Tim. My dithering days are over. What's the betting some
bastard's beaten me to it? I think I can stretch to the price because I'm a
right flash bastard, and what's more, after days of frenzied calculations, I
worked out that it's cheaper here than in the UK! Because of the Millenium
Dome's effect on exchange rates. A bonus like that is not to be sniffed
at... The Congos album is indeed loveliness itself, I doubt even Nealy Wealy
could match it for sensitivity.

>Talking of reggae, the saddest song I can recall (apart from perhaps 'Brass
>Buttons', 'A Song  For You' and '$1000 Wedding', all by Gram Parsons) is a
>reggae tune, 'The Long Way' by the marvellous Junior Byles. Top drawer, I
>can tell you. Oooh, I'm filling up just thinking about it.

In keeping with my new role as reggae expert I've been trying to think of a
sad reggae song, but all I've come up with is "Do You Really Want to Hurt
Me?" by Culture Club. And "Don't Break My Heart" by UB40. Both top tunes,
but I think I need to do a bit more reggae research before I open my mouth
to make any more pronouncements.

Peter

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From M9523138 at xxx.UK  Wed Apr  1 19:26:57 1998
From: M9523138 at xxx.UK (Eimeir Tereasa McCartan)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:26:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: gasping but somehow still alive
Message-ID: <SIMEON.9804011857.A@MLIB15.oac.qub.ac.uk>

    i think the saddest song ever written was "uncle joe" by the 
red house painters  or "spirit ditch" by sparklehorse.however 
the saddest and most poignant moment ever comes in the film 
"midnight cowboy" when rizzo dies and jon voights character puts 
his arm around the body and the bus drives on to the midnight 
cowboy theme tune by john barry.even hard bitten old cynical me 
cries like a baby to that everytime and ive seen the darn thing 
about thirty times 
                     corm

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From mneimark at xxx.com  Wed Apr  1 20:03:54 1998
From: mneimark at xxx.com (Matthew Neimark)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:03:54 PST
Subject: Sinister: Sad Songs
Message-ID: <19980401190354.8620.qmail@hotmail.com>

These songs have made me misty eyed at times:

You and Your new Boyfriend - Rocketship
Going to California - Led Zeppelin
Underneath the Window, Underneath the Sink - Orchids 
We Rule the School - Belle and Sebastian

Matt

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From mneimark at xxx.com  Wed Apr  1 20:07:01 1998
From: mneimark at xxx.com (Matthew Neimark)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:07:01 PST
Subject: Sinister: Breathless
Message-ID: <19980401190701.972.qmail@hotmail.com>

Anyone on the list ever see the movie Breathless by Jean-Luc Goddard (A 
Bout de Souffle pour les francais)?  Anyone ever hear the B&S demo 
"Hurley's having Dreams."?

Anyone notice the sample of the former in the latter (piano music fades 
into Jean Seberg "Allo Michel")?

Matt

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From cooper69 at xxx.net  Wed Apr  1 20:07:56 1998
From: cooper69 at xxx.net (Richard Cooper)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:07:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: London has let me down again?
Message-ID: <01bd5da1$7ab45b80$2294a8c2@fpzgbrwg>


-----Original Message-----
From: John Hucker <john.hucker at xxx.net>
To: sinister at majordomo.net <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 18 March 1998 13:35
Subject: Sinister: London has let me down again?


>Hi,
>
>Sorry no B&S here.  Just wanted to ask a favour.  I might be moving to
>London and wondered whether any kind soul might enlighten me on a decent
>area to live.  Any comments off the list gratefully appreciated.
>
>Choose Loaf,
>Jxhn.
>
>
>
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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Wed Apr  1 21:44:59 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:44:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: Breathless
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Have I seen BREATHLESS???  Yes, thanks to a French Cinema class (it was 
amazing that we even watched Godard and Truffaut.  My prof wanted to 
watch films like DIVA and COUP DE TORCHON in addition to Cocteau's LA 
BELLE ET LA BETE... c'mon... And we had to write a paper comparing the 
Cocteau version to the Disney version.  I'm pretty sure my paper ended up 
being a scathing criticism of the assignment and her character, but I did 
get an A in the class.) A very beautiful film, and, somehow, very B&S, 
though I haven't ever heard the sample in "Hurley's Having dreams."   The 
stylish striped outfit that the young-- oh what's the American girl's 
first name? Patricia?-- gamine wears throughout the movie is somehow 
reminiscent of the first Barbie (the one with the slanty, blue-eyeshadow 
smothered eyes, pursed red lips, high ponytail and bangs) and her black 
and white striped bathing suit, which, in turn, reminds me of the cover 
of 3,6,9...  But there I go making image associations again...  So what 
was the point of this message??

-Kristen  
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From faw1 at xxx.edu  Wed Apr  1 22:10:12 1998
From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:10:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Breathless
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95qL.980401160457.6822B-100000@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu>


Holy Kazaam!

Kristen's comparisons of Jean Seberg's outfit to the chanteuse on
3..6..9..[etc] reminded me of the first time I saw Isobel at the now
defunct but notorious, nay dare I say *infamous*, Sessions at West 54th
taping:

Isobel wore her hair short ala Seberg, and even wore a black and
white stripey shirt--just like Seberg's character!  Why, I wouldnae been
surprised if she opened up a secret compartment in her cello and whipped
out some New York Herald Tribunes and let them fly around the room.

but i really should be getting back to work...


francisco

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From faw1 at xxx.edu  Wed Apr  1 21:56:49 1998
From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:56:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Breathless
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Matt Niemark mentioned a sample of Seberg from A Bout de Souffle being
included in "Hurley's Having Dreams".

Darn!  I've never noticed this the numerous times I've listened to it.  I
am wondering though if anyone knows the sample that precedes "London Has
Let Me Down" with the speeding car, the french guy sounding tough, the
gunshot...

I don't know why, but I think it's from "Vivre Se Vie" (My Life To Live
for the english)--another, and perhaps more brilliant?, film by God[ard]
himself.  (Though my personal favorite is Pierrot le Fou because it has
*both* Belmondo and Karina).

...  time to listen to Hurley's Having Dreams again...

francisco


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From cooper69 at xxx.net  Wed Apr  1 20:14:31 1998
From: cooper69 at xxx.net (Richard Cooper)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:14:31 +0100
Subject: Sinister: here comes the science bit ... concentrate!
Message-ID: <01bd5da2$65f545a0$2294a8c2@fpzgbrwg>

LISTEN UP YOU PHILASTINES B&S ARE COOL BUT THE  STONE ROSES RULE
-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Begbie <rod at xxx.com>
To: Strange Bed-Fellows <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 01 April 1998 18:16
Subject: Sinister: here comes the science bit ... concentrate!


>hey kids!
>
>just about finished off the new edition of PopGob, which'll go on-line in
>the next hour or two.  two issues old, and already it's not as funny as it
>used to be.  i'll spare you the full blurb, but here's the short
>announcement:
>
> .oPYo. .oPYo. .oPYo.     | PopGob ... http://www.begbie.com/popgob/
> 8    8 8    8 8    8     | the internet's leading pop gossip magazine
> 8    8 8    8 8    8     |
> 8YooP' `YooP' 8YooP'     | as featured in bbc radio one, need to know,
> 8 ....::.....:8 ....:    | the guardian and the scotsman
> 8 ::::::::::::8 _::_:|_  |
> ..::::::::::::.(_|(_)|_) | more facts thank you can shake a stick at
>                 _|
>
>i've spent all day doing it, so i can't be bothered pressing the shift key
>to get capital letters.  normal service'll be resumed tomorrow.  anyhoo,
>here's the contents of my brain today...
>
>On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Eimeir Tereasa McCartan wrote:
>
>>   Could anyone tell me when the new single by the dandy warhols
>> is out
>
>april 20th, 'parrently (although that's the day that virgin are claiming
>'modern rock song' is coming out, so who knows). their album's available
>on import in HMV for #12.99.  anyone know if it's worth it?
>
>> why is neil hannon fucking alive when
>> hes a vile smug little wanker
>
>anyone see "him" on 'stars in their eyes'?  the audience hadn't the first
>f---ing clue who he was meant to be!
>
>On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Sarah wrote:
>
>> "I'm not a trendy asshole i do what i want..."
>> and lets see which Sinister dudes can NAME the song and artist from
>> which that quote came.... GO ON I DARE YOU!
>
>i think that admitting to owning a tape of this album would be more
>controversial than admitting liking the spice girls, but it's 'smash' by
>'the offspring'.
>
>> "I try to make everyones day a little more surreal"
>>                 ***Calvin!****
>
>one of my favourite calvin strips of all times, that one (i still do the
>"i'd like to order a pizza' thing myself.)
>
>On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Alan Prior wrote:
>> Oh, and Rod; All Saints are better than the Spice Girls.
>
>hmm.. the jury's still out on that one... but the saints wouldn't be here
>today if it weren't for our pioneering girl power chums.
>
>> Film Quote of the day; "if i ever start refering to these as the best
days
>> of my life, remind me to kill myself" This is in my school yearbook
>> profile, where it also says i am "intense and glittery". Hmmmmm.
>
>ooh!  i know that one, but can't place it for the life of me.  heathers?
>my uni yearbook entry had questions for "in ten years time i would like to
>be..." and "in ten years time i will probably be..."  my answers were
>"living off the royalties of my wife, sporty spice" and "31.  or dead."
>
>On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Rob B wrote:
>> [sad songs]
>> boo radleys - lazarus, spaniard
>
>that's interesting, cause i always have 'lazarus' down as a happy song.
>something about that powerful trumpety fanfare just makes me shiver with
>niceness.
>
>On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, susannah wrote:
>> [sinister sleaze test]
>> 10) Have you ever 'got off' with a list member?
>> Five points, double if Northy or Begbie, ten points for actual
penetrative sex.
>> Fifty if it was up the arse. And you can double that if it was Tag.
>
>which raises all kinds of metaphysical questions.  did i spend my teenage
>years building up a collosal sleaze score?  i think we should be told...
>
>on a less flippant point, apologies to any offended by my use of racist
>language.  not at all intentional -- i paused before typing it, but
>definitely not for long enough.  believe me, i'm the least racist guy on
>the planet.
>
>3 days to the spice girls concert...
>
>rod.
>
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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Wed Apr  1 23:35:39 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:35:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: Breathless
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> 
> I don't know why, but I think it's from "Vivre Se Vie" (My Life To Live
> for the english)--another, and perhaps more brilliant?, film by God[ard]
> himself.  (Though my personal favorite is Pierrot le Fou because it has
> *both* Belmondo and Karina).

  YES!!  MY LIFE TO LIVE... So beautiful!  There is one scene which I 
swear Quentin Tarantino lifted in its entirety(sp) for PULP FICTION, the 
one where Uma Thurman talks about uncomfortable silences... Anyone??

  Isobel must BE Patricia, minus the gaudy American accent (this coming 
from someone with a gaudy American accent, so its not an insult by any 
means)-- "Noo York Haarold Trib-Youn!!" 

  I think we've already talked about Truffaut and my favorite new wave 
film, JULES ET JIM, but perhaps we should discuss it again.  Ah... 
Pretentious films.  They make me happy.

-Kristen   
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From krivas at xxx.gov  Wed Apr  1 23:59:09 1998
From: krivas at xxx.gov (Kimberly Rivas-Plata)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:59:09 -0500
Subject: Sinister: here comes the science bit ... concentrate!
Message-ID: <v03102801b1487243e5b4@[128.231.54.142]>

science? where's the science?

a Mr. Cooper wrote:
>LISTEN UP YOU PHILASTINES B&S ARE COOL BUT THE  STONE ROSES RULE

and then replied with an entire copied message. I was half expecting
to see "bless" at the end.

ttfn,
kim

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From pberry at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 00:38:25 1998
From: pberry at xxx.com (Pam Berry)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:38:25 -0500
Subject: Sinister: the mad whack, chickfactor
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980401183820.006ad3a8@washcp.com>

hi everyone!

stephen trousers, thanks much for that monday poem, it was one of the few
highlights of a monday work disaster which had us working straight through
from 8:30 monday morning till midnight tuesday! a nice moment came along
about 2am-- except for the cd player it was creepily quiet in the office
like it is in offices in the middle of the night, if you're feeling
sinister was in the player and during stars of track and field 6 people
typing manically in separate cubes broke the silence at the very same
moment and sang the chorus! 

with no real sleep for days and no dreams to cloud up the works, the events
of last weekend up to and including a car accident on sunday afternoon are
still fresh in my fatigued brain and a thing happened friday night that's
been topical on the list as of late...it was after midnight and megan and I
were staggering down P st. in the direction of the fox and hounds for some
more spring refreshment (thanks to andy fox it's the only dive in town with
belle and sebastian in the jukebox, go andy!). it was a warm, breezy night,
plenty of people out and about, but the closest people walking were pretty
far ahead and behind us...timing must be our gift because we noticed a car
pulled over to the curb, the car was running, with no one in the driver's
seat, and as we walked by the car the door flew open and this guy in the
passenger seat wearing a maniacal grin but no pants was furiously wrestling
the champion in our general direction! a few hours later in megan's car on
U st., hurtling toward the all-night drive-thru to our favorite scottish
place we asked ourselves, selves, should we post about this to the list? at
that moment, swear to god, cliff richard came on the radio. 

but I'm not writing to tell of the mad whack, I'm really just passing on a
message from my friend gail who lives in new york, we did a zine together
for a few years and I got busy/lazy and quit doing it, but she's still
doing it godblessher, it's called chickfactor and the newest one has
interviews with our favorite gals sarah and isobel! gail asked me to give
you all the address in case you want to order it. this issue also has
interviews with momus, spring, the divine comedy, jeffrey honeybunch,
future bible heroes, martin phillips, a high llamas jukebox jury, and more
stuff I'm certainly forgetting. you can get it for $4 u.s. and $6 overseas,
that includes postage, to 

gail o'hara
245 e. 19th st. 12-T
new york, NY 10003

cheers,
pam

p.s. oh it's a green week. yes andy "crockett" dean I'm jealous of your
miami-beach-filled jeans cuffs. tag, I've got going-to-sweden envy. and
duke, triple that jealousy for you and other lucky dogs who get to see the
jasmine minks this weekend!! 
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From bsanant at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 01:11:07 1998
From: bsanant at xxx.com (Birjinder Anant)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 16:11:07 PST
Subject: Sinister: American Music Club(No B&S)
Message-ID: <19980402001107.29192.qmail@hotmail.com>

Mike Appelstein wrote:
>Then there's always American Music Club's middle period, which 
>contains 
>some of the very saddest, most beautiful songs ever written.  How >many 
>listmembers love "Everclear?"

I do!!  It was the first AMC album I bought and I thought all their 
albums were just as good.   Unfortunately, that wasn't the case at all.  
Their other albums disappointed me, and not just one of them, but three 
(Engine, Mercury, and San Francisco).  But "Everclear" is so wonderful, 
especially the songs on the second side like 'Sick of Food' and 'Royal 
Cafe'.  AMC was the first concert I ever went to (in 1992, after I came 
to school in the Bay Area from Texas)  

Take care,

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From chriswu at xxx.au  Thu Apr  2 02:23:08 1998
From: chriswu at xxx.au (Chris)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:23:08 +1000
Subject: Sinister: aussies out there??
Message-ID: <3522E87C.5858@rivernet.com.au>

Heya everyone! 

Just curious.. any Austrlian listies out there?? I'm in Sydney.

Chris

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From jrbia at xxx.br  Thu Apr  2 04:10:27 1998
From: jrbia at xxx.br (Junior/Fabiana)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:10:27 -0300
Subject: Sinister: These are the sad songs, the broken words...
Message-ID: <01bd5de4$e2f55ee0$a84bf5c8@jrbia>

Some pop, gorgeous and sad songs that I've heard today:

Asleep/Last Night I Dreamt... - Smiths
Fake Plastic Trees/Thinking About You - Radiohead
Mellow Doubt - Teenage Fanclub (the lyrics, oh, my God*...the lyrics...)
Another no-one/The Living Dead (*Here he is: GOD HIMSELF singing...hehehe)

There are many many others, obviously...

Fabiana




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Assunto: Sinister: gasping but somehow still alive


>    i think the saddest song ever written was "uncle joe" by the 
>red house painters  or "spirit ditch" by sparklehorse.however 
>the saddest and most poignant moment ever comes in the film 
>"midnight cowboy" when rizzo dies and jon voights character puts 
>his arm around the body and the bus drives on to the midnight 
>cowboy theme tune by john barry.even hard bitten old cynical me 
>cries like a baby to that everytime and ive seen the darn thing 
>about thirty times 
>                     corm
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From mctag at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 10:14:02 1998
From: mctag at xxx.com (Tag)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:14:02 GMT
Subject: Sinister: the wheels on the bus go round and round
In-Reply-To: <199804012110.WAA11545@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
References: <199804012110.WAA11545@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <35265452.678762@email.mcmail.com>

Hello you gorgeous creatures,

The Nozzle wrote:

>People wanted to know what happened in London, so I guess I'll do a
>little run down. Let me stress however first that this is NOT an ink
>polaroid - ink polaroids are for people who pick flowers, listen to
>the smiths and cry at the sun going down... probably.

Keith is lying.  He has all the Driscolls records and pictures of
little fluffy puppy dogs all over his room.  And his favourite film is
"Bambi".

>Had a couple of beers and popped round the corner for a nice Italian,

Keith, Luigi wants you to come back as soon as possible to make his
gnocchi 'al dente', if you get my drift.

>The next morning Susannah and I did the sleaze quiz, which Susannah
>beat me by 6 points. I got 101, but I'm not saying what Susannah got
>cause I don't think she'd like people to know.

Let's see, Keith got 101, and Susannah got 6 more, but he won't tell
us what she got.  Anyway, I got more than either of you.  Hooray!  In
answer to the person who thought the sleaze quiz wasn't PC - c'mon, it
was just a bit of a larff, and as far as I'm concerned the sleazier
the better.  Someone I know claims to have got 268 points, I can't
tell you who that was, but I'm changing the locks.

Susannah wrote:

>50-1000 Keith, tag, paul, I expect you to be in this bracket

Bingo.

Rod-Marie Le Pen wrote:

>Paki shop

Rodney, you plonker.

>> Five points, double if Northy or Begbie, ten points for actual penetrative sex.
>> Fifty if it was up the arse. And you can double that if it was Tag.
>
>which raises all kinds of metaphysical questions.  did i spend my teenage
>years building up a collosal sleaze score?  i think we should be told...

I would just like to assure of all you that whatever Rod may be
implying, he has never shagged me up the arse.  I'd still be walking
like John Wayne if he had, I'm sure.

Sad songs?

"Crimson and Clover" by Tommy James and the Shondells has a melody so
sad I couldn't actually bring myself to listen to it for years.  "Down
from Dover" by Nancy and Lee (which Dolly Parton wrote) for when Nancy
actually cries at the end, and Dolly herself doing "I will always love
you" is pretty fucking heartbreaking.

Some friends of mine were watching "The Elephant Man".  One of them
was crying, so my pal Mark said "Awww, don't cry, it's a true story,
and he dies at the end."

And on that bombshell,

Love tag xx
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From caz at xxx.jp  Thu Apr  2 10:32:27 1998
From: caz at xxx.jp (maruta kazuya)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:32:27 +0900
Subject: Sinister: new from jeepster
Message-ID: <980402181754.3846B523.2969602@mvc.biglobe.ne.jp>

Hello

Does anyone know Snow Patrol?- new comer from jeepster-.  A friend of mine
heard their song called My Last Girlfriend and told me it was good. I
haven't heard any of songs yet.

Here are some sad songs I love:

Heywood lane - Gorky's zygotic mynci
Fall apart button - Geneva
The Book Lovers - Broadcast
Helicon 2 - Mogwai
Mary Louise - Dawn of the replicants
I feel the weight - The Hybirds

kaz
caz at mvc.biglobe.ne.jp


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From paiku at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 10:23:43 1998
From: paiku at xxx.com (punch drunk)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 01:23:43 PST
Subject: Sinister: Fun for the Family!
Message-ID: <19980402092344.5024.qmail@hotmail.com>

   No one really knows me as i've been lurking, but i share your 15ness 
;)  I'm Sarah, and i reside in Canada, for those wondering who i am and 
what i want, there's one of your questions answered anyway (evil laugh).  
I like the part about you being nice and turning someone into a Belle 
and Sebastian fan, I'm porud of myself today as I have done that as 
well, with my friend Elspeth.  My goal is to make a new fan every day.  
So far the head count is   (ahem)  1. :D
  How many others here have scouted out potential B&S fans?  I love when 
that happens, when i find someone else who's at least open to bands like 
them, it's rare around me.  My fellow students like such tosh, they 
think I'm from another planet when i rip out my discman and headphones.
Oh dearm its 4:26am
sleep time,
sarah

>>B is for Bethy and Jon, who've only just turned fifiteen,
>
>(jon hides embarassedly)
>
>me and bethey were just saying how exciting it will be next time we go 
to a
>B&S gig, all you lot (all you grown-ups) that are there are going to 
know
>exactly who we are and they will come pick on us.
>
>Did anyone notice us at the sunday matinee in Manchester?  we felt like
>everyone was looking at us cos we were so small, but I don't know.  The 
best
>bit was when we collected our tickets from the credit card bloke and I 
had
>to explain to him that it was my Mum's credit card - it was more than
>slightly amusing.
>
>Anyway, while we were getting our tickets, the girl on the front of Dog 
On
>Wheels was standing at the desk.  I got really excited about this, but 
I
>don't think bethey was so thrilled.  
>Anyway, just in case you were wondering, there is another 15 year old 
on the
>list.  Her name is Katrina also - alkl6163 at emirates.net.ae .
>She sits next to me in assembly at school and I introduced her to B&S, 
which
>was nice of me.



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From bferneyhough at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  2 11:42:32 1998
From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:42:32 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Animal House (again) - NO B&S !!
Message-ID: <199804021042.LAA18500@brookes.ac.uk>

Dear Lovelies, Was in the pub last night, and picked up the local Nightshift 
paper that tells what bands are playing Oxford and where, and there was a 
super review of the Animal House (who feature 1/2 of Ride) gig me and a few 
other listees went to. I remember I had difficulty in describing what they 
were like, so here's how a journalist tries to describe it.....
 
ANIMAL HOUSE.
Bullingdon Arms.
 
Re-invention is the theme of the evening. We are, after all, in the new, 
improved Bullingdon Arms. Tonight it is full of a mighty buzz as the 
glitterati of the Oxford music scene gather in force to cast an eye over 
Animal House - who feature (in case you slammed yourself in the freezer after 
'Austin Powers' and have just woken up) Mark and Loz out of Ride plus Sam 
Williams, ex-Mystic and Supergrass producer.
Unlike most supergroups (from Blind Faith to the Travelling Wilburys), they 
know how to keep it short, strolling on at 11 and playing five songs. They 
have also succeeded in creating a new sound for themselves which seems to have 
practically nothing in common with their previous projects and they are able 
to project themselves as a group, not as a collection of separate egos 
struggling for the spotlight. In fact, there is no spotlight. Animal House 
play swathed in back projections, phrases from their lyrics flashing up in 
between abstract images and kaleidoscope patterns which admirably suit their 
clean, trippy modernity.
And modern they are, in the strangest combination of ways. Sam and Mark play 
guitars and sing - so for so traditional - while Disco 45-er Jason king 
supplies imaginative keyboard flourishes. But Mark's former 60s wishfulness 
(most recently seen on last year's 'Magdelen Skies') only surfaces here in his 
trademark Byrds-y harmonies: otherwise this is a much harder-edged sound... 
but without the eccentric twists and lurches beloved of the Mystics. Heavy 
sampled beats are the (new) order of the day - referring occasionally to the 
junglist 90s but more frequently to early 80s electro and its autobahn-crazed 
precursors. Bassist Hari and drummer Loz lock in effortlessly (clunk, click, 
every trip) and the motorcade is off, cruising linear grid system mapped out 
by Kraftwerk and JG Ballard.
'Ready to Receive' goes the first song, but don't bother to search skies - 
these signals come from inner space and it'as all clean lines and mathematics 
here. The organic and irrational are a constant subversive presence in this 
music and its greatest strength lies in this contrast between the mechanistic 
and the chaotic, order and disorder, sampler versus human. 'Welcome to the 
Animal House' sing Mark and Sam on the penultimate song and continue the story 
with the succinctly titled finale 'Animal'. Get the picture ? Yes, we see. 
Maybe we are a little overcome by the excitement of this celebratory 
debut...maybe we've been staring at the lightshow for too long... but, even 
though it's not quite what we expected, we think we might be back again soon 
to visit the Animal House.
 
Harry Lime.
 
That mammoth epic was taken from nightshift, who have an internet site at:
 
http://www.oxlink.co.uk/nightshift/
 
Sorry if that was boring, but I said there was no Belle and Sebastian content 
!!!!
 
Ben.
 
 
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From paiku at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 11:45:22 1998
From: paiku at xxx.com (sarah :o])
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 02:45:22 PST
Subject: Sinister: sad songs, and the Amish
Message-ID: <19980402104523.25510.qmail@hotmail.com>

OH!  I forgot the one i set out to write about :P  Aw, i always feel 
like crying when i hear Motion Picture Soundtrack by Radiohead.  It's 
one of those songs where I can't be doing things when i listen to it, i 
just have to stop right there...the chorus, 'I will see you, in the next 
life,' ever so lovely.  I don't know how you girls and boys feel about 
Radiohead, and i can't explain how i do.  But it's sort of like this; if 
Belle and Sebastian became really grand and famous, you wouldn't stop 
loving them ever, would you?  That's what it is :~)
  I also fins Suppertime by the Odds makes me wishy washy, it's got a 
heavy, wistful mood, i quite like it when in the mood, although its the 
one track on my cd that skips like the dickens :) and while i'm being 
honest, a day in the Life by the Beatles. I can't help myself!  It's so 
vivid, so real.  Except for the part in the middle of course :o) 
woonderful.

  While i'm here, does anyone agree that the best time to listen to B&S 
in on long rides in the window seat?  I don't really fly much (there is 
so much room for jokes right there) but i was recently on a 12 hour 
trainride, and it's so lovely to just sit and look out the window with 
your earphones up high.  It was especially nice for me because there 
were 4 amish people sitting behind me and the talked non stop for the 
whole ride as loudly as was humanly possible.  "Look, a river...ooo ooo 
GARBAGE, a pile of garbage!!!"  "Ha Ha, silly girl tell tale," you say.  
But i kid you not!
thanx for listening ;)
sarah




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From jon.g at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 11:37:58 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:37:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Fun for the Family!
Message-ID: <01bd5e23$67623e80$LocalHost@dell>


-----Original Message-----
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To: sinister at majordomo.net <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 02 April 1998 10:25
Subject: Re: Sinister: Fun for the Family!


>   No one really knows me as i've been lurking, but i share your 15ness
>;)  I'm Sarah, and i reside in Canada, for those wondering who i am and
>what i want, there's one of your questions answered anyway (evil laugh).
>I like the part about you being nice and turning someone into a Belle
>and Sebastian fan, I'm porud of myself today as I have done that as
>well, with my friend Elspeth.  My goal is to make a new fan every day.
>So far the head count is   (ahem)  1. :D

Me and bethey are getting on quite well - bethey was in HMV (a cd shop for
those who don't know) the other day with her friend and bethey put her foot
down and said "You *will* buy If You're Feeling Sinister *now*", instead of
what she was going to buy (some 'indie-rock' nonsesne, I should expect).  We
are planning to do the same on Saturday for another one of her friends.  I
think we're collectively up to about 9 conversions, which is quite good,
given what we've got to work with.  All this being fifteen stuff is quite
exciting, but bethey's sister Eleanor has bought her own copies of Lazy Jane
and Sinister and she is 12 or 13 (I can't remember which).  However, she's
not on the list and is still partial to bit of Natalie Imbruglia etc., so
she only half-counts.

>  How many others here have scouted out potential B&S fans?  I love when
>that happens, when i find someone else who's at least open to bands like
>them, it's rare around me.  My fellow students like such tosh, they
>think I'm from another planet when i rip out my discman and headphones.
>Oh dearm its 4:26am
>sleep time,
>sarah
>
What people like Rod Begbie don't understand when they say
>In my considered opinion, da Spiceys ROOL!
is that people our age and below genuinely like the Spice Girls, Backstreet
Boys etc like we like B&S, whereas people like Rod only like them as a joke.
It is a joke, isn't it?  It must be.  It can't be true.

Adrian Evans mailed me privately and I now apologise profusely for saying
that those over 20 wouldn't remember pigeon street.  I'm very very sorry.

Right, I think I'll go now.

jon g.
Chairman of the Fifteen Year Olds Taking Over Sinister List Campaign
(FYOTOSLC)
jon.g at btinternet.com - http://www.btinternet.com/~jon.g/


>>>B is for Bethy and Jon, who've only just turned fifiteen,
>>
>>(jon hides embarassedly)
>>
>>me and bethey were just saying how exciting it will be next time we go
>to a
>>B&S gig, all you lot (all you grown-ups) that are there are going to
>know
>>exactly who we are and they will come pick on us.
>>
>>Did anyone notice us at the sunday matinee in Manchester?  we felt like
>>everyone was looking at us cos we were so small, but I don't know.  The
>best
>>bit was when we collected our tickets from the credit card bloke and I
>had
>>to explain to him that it was my Mum's credit card - it was more than
>>slightly amusing.
>>
>>Anyway, while we were getting our tickets, the girl on the front of Dog
>On
>>Wheels was standing at the desk.  I got really excited about this, but
>I
>>don't think bethey was so thrilled.
>>Anyway, just in case you were wondering, there is another 15 year old
>on the
>>list.  Her name is Katrina also - alkl6163 at emirates.net.ae .
>>She sits next to me in assembly at school and I introduced her to B&S,
>which
>>was nice of me.
>
>
>
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From t.hopkins at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  2 12:30:24 1998
From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:30:24 +0100
Subject: Sinister: belle and sebastian in the news: on-topic worthless cack
Message-ID: <199804021126.MAA23083@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>

There it was, front page of yesterday's Guardian. I mean, I knew the band
was getting big, but I didn't think their arguments were front page material
just yet. Nevertheless, there it was...

"I'm no liar, says Campbell as Murdoch row continues"

There was obviously some standard Grauniad-style mix up, because the story
underneath was some guff about Tony Blair pressing his secretary or
somesuch. But I wonder what the real story was? Was the row started by
Staurt M? Or about him? Who had accused Isobel of lying? And why? 

Has Isobel worked out a secret deal whereby she gets the lions share of the
royalties to keep her in resin (for her bow)? Did fighting break out when
the rest of the band worked out that 'Century Of Elvis' was about a cat and
not a vegetable, as everyone had been led to believe? 

Katrina?

Oh, and another thing. Sarah wrote: 

	>Songs that reduce me to tears: :~)  

Uh-oh. We have a problem now. How can we tell if that is a sad face or the
most sarcastic face in the world? I don't know how we're going to deal with
this one at all.

I hope you consider the time you have spent reading this message to have
been fruitful. Why don't you just switch off your pooter and go out and do
something more boring instead?

tim
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From Tiago.A.Figueiredo at xxx.pt  Thu Apr  2 12:33:10 1998
From: Tiago.A.Figueiredo at xxx.pt (Tiago Andre' Figueiredo)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:33:10 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sad Songs
Message-ID: <35237775.D436F75E@inesc.pt>

    Hello to the lot of you, sinister people.

    After reading so much about sad songs, I decided to compile my own
list of them. Four minutes were more than enough time to realise that
one such list would have no ending, so after taking out at least half of
the songs, this is what I came up with:

- R.E.M.: "Find The River", "You Are The Everything", "Nightswimming",
...

- Jay-Jay Johanson: "The Girl I Love Is Gone"

- Nick Cave: "The Ship Song", "Brompton Oratory", ...

- Lambchop: "Theone"

- Jack: "Dress You In Mourning", "Hope Is A Liar", ...
Anyone knows what happened to Jack since the remarkable "Pioneer
Soundtracks"?

- Divine Comedy: "Someone", "If...", "Lucy", ...

- Mick Harvey: "Manon"

- Tindersticks: "Let's Pretend", "The Not Knowing", "Kathleen", ...

- B&S: "Beautiful", "The Boy Done Wrong Again", "Fox In The Snow", ...
(here's your B&S content)

- Mojave 3: "You're Beautiful"

- Apartments: "Not Every Clown Can Be In The Circus", "She Sings To
Forget You", ...

- Red House Painters: "Katy Song", ...

    The order is completely irrelevant, as to how sad this or that song
is. I find it impossible to distinguish between them.
    And I know I must've forgotten some, but what the heck... screw it.


        Tiago Figueiredo

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| He who can call Today his own     |
| He who, secure within can say:    |
| "Tomorrow do thy worst            |
| For I have lived today"           |
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From jwigham at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  2 13:14:56 1998
From: jwigham at xxx.uk (john wigham)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:14:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sleaze police
Message-ID: <Vle68BAAF4I1kwML@meadowell-srb.demon.co.uk>

I don't want to be bore, but can we cut out all this sleaze quiz stuff?
When I said it wasn't very B&S, I wasn't referring to the lack of B&S
content, but to the fact that it just doesn't match the mood of B&S
lyrics.  

Susannah - what is it exactly do you think is filthy about being gay, or
about anal sex, or about having sexual fantasies?? It seems to me that
by making those sort of judgements, even in a joky, indulgent sort of
way, you just perpetuate the whole unhappy uptight history of sexuality
in the west so tragically started by Saint Paul (not you
honeypiesweetness, the other one).

So let's save language like sleaze for the Conservative Party and enjoy
ourselves with no hangups, eh?

Whatever gets you to the light..

-- 
john wigham

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From jeepster.uk at xxx.net  Wed Apr  1 11:10:29 1998
From: jeepster.uk at xxx.net (Katrina House)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:10:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: something un-asked (he hopes)
References: <35212B3A.250A@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <35221295.EE322327@virgin.net>

Euan Leitch wrote:

> the un-asked b&s q?  where did they record the children at the start of
> iyfs, 

there is a school (or maybe it's a nursery??  can't remember!)
playground next to the church hall where stuart m and richard live and
apparently that's where they did the taping.

> and who is the wee boy shouting *c'moan* that i could listen to on
> a loop for eternity?

ummm, dunno?

bye,
Katrina.
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From jon.g at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 13:50:39 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:50:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Fun for the Family!
Message-ID: <01bd5e35$f0a58960$LocalHost@dell>


-----Original Message-----
From: ELIZABETH DAPLYN <EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk>
To: 'jon g.' <jon.g at btinternet.com>
Cc: 'jon.g at btinternet.com' <jon.g at btinternet.com>
Date: 02 April 1998 13:02
Subject: RE: Sinister: Fun for the Family!


>> Subject: Re: Sinister: Fun for the Family!
>>
>> All this being fifteen stuff is quite
>> exciting, but bethey's sister Eleanor has bought her own copies of
>> Lazy Jane
>> and Sinister and she is 12 or 13 (I can't remember which).  However,
>> she's
>> not on the list and is still partial to bit of Natalie Imbruglia etc.,
>> so
>> she only half-counts.
>Hey!  Is Bethey's full name Elizabeth?  I ask because mine is, and my
>sister's called Eleanor too.  Wierd.  Anyhoo, keep on with the fine work
>there.  Sorry, I'm an old person of 19 massive years, and my sister's
>even older.  And she doesn't even like B&S, although she's quite nice
>apart from her frankly worrying Ocean Colour Scene tendency.


bethey is still at school, so I'll answer this one.  It used to be
Elizabeth, but she had it legally changed cos she hated it.  Eleanor does
have a Ocean Colour Scene tendency, I think.  My brother (13) does too.  How
embarassing.

>> Adrian Evans mailed me privately and I now apologise profusely for
>> saying
>> that those over 20 wouldn't remember pigeon street.  I'm very very
>> sorry.
>So you should be.  I'm going to be 20 this year, and I remember Pigeon
>Street vividly, thank you very much!  I've even got an old Pigeon Street
>annual somewhere.  It's got a story about the people on the street
>clubbing together to build a swimming pool in the middle of a really hot
>summer.  Marvellous.  And I quite liked the electro-tom-tom sound for
>the pigeons.
>
I think I can remember that one.
Pow Pow say the pigeons in my head
Actually, it was more of a peeoooww peeooowww.
>> jon g.
>> Chairman of the Fifteen Year Olds Taking Over Sinister List Campaign
>> (FYOTOSLC)
>Don't do that!  What's going to happen to all us old people?  First
>against the wall when the revolution comes...
>
I'm not really going to.  However, careless talk costs lives, so I should be
more careful.  It's just that this thread has been going on a while now and
I can imagine some of the silent list members getting angry.


Daytime TV has been fabulous today - especially Style Challenge.  For those
who are not in the uk/employed/got better things to do, it's a show where
two tired people come in and are given a makeover by a team of fashion
gurus.  It's wicked.  Anyway, today there were two postwomen on the show and
when one of them looked in the mirror, she started crying because she was so
happy with her new look.  It was a truly touching moment.  Maybe Stuart M
should write a song about it.
"Well, I saw you on that Style Challenge
You were crying at your new look into the big mirror there
the big mirror there.

Six months on, the clothes have gone.
the disenchanted postman
left his house with the postwoman
the postwoman got lonely"

I think it would be a new one to add to our list of sad songs.


Well, I'll be off then

I think I should get out more.

jon g.
jon.g at btinternet.com - http://www.btinternet.com/~jon.g/

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From bferneyhough at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  2 14:40:53 1998
From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (ben ferneyhough)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:40:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: FW: Psychological test` (Forward)
Message-ID: <199804021340.OAA14093@brookes.ac.uk>

Another non B&S entry. It's just a harmless bit of fun. Try it, it's cool.
 
I promise I won't send anything else no B&S related again.
 
Honest Ben.
 
Ronan - MAIL ME !!!
 
>> > > Subject: Psychology Test
>> > > >
>> > > >This game can be scarily true - or just scary.
>> > > >It only takes a few minutes ... but beware of the outcome!
>> > > >DON'T read ahead - just do it in order.....
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >First, write the numbers 1 to 11 in a list.(going down the page).
>> > 
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >Then in the first and second spaces, fill in any two numbers you
>> > > >want
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >In the 3rd and 7th spaces, write down the names of members of the
>> > > >opposite sex (people that you know).
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >Write anyone's name (like friends or family...) in the 4th, 5th
>> > > >and 6th spots
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >Write down four song titles in 8, 9, 10 and 11
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >Finally make a wish...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >AND HERE'S THE KEY FOR THE GAME..
>> > > >
>> > > >You must tell (the number in space 2) people about this game in
>> > > >(the number in space 1) days in order for your wish to come true.
>> > > >
>> > > >The name in space 3 is the one you love
>> > > >
>> > > >The person in 7 is the one you like but can't work out
>> > > >
>> > > >You care most about the person you put in 4
>> > > >
>> > > >Number 5 is the one who knows you very well
>> > > >
>> > > >The name is 6 is your lucky star
>> > > >
>> > > >The song in 8 is the song that matches with the person in 3
>> > > >
>> > > >The title in 9 is the song for 7
>> > > >
>> > > >The tenth space is the song that tells you most about your mind.
>> > > >
>> > > >And 11 is the song that tells you how you feel about sex!!!
>> > > >
>> > 
>> > ----------------------
>> > hew at liverpool.ac.uk
>> > Investigative Psychology Unit
>> > University of Liverpool
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>
 
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From IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es  Thu Apr  2 15:07:27 1998
From: IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jose_Maria_Sag=FAillo_=28hijo=29?=)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:07:27 +0200
Subject: Sinister: more sad songs
Message-ID: <11C8B25D565BD111B33500609709CD8404E6EA@GESTAMP2>

hello
I want to tell to the list some songs that make feel sad

THE SMITHS "Please, please, please let me get what I want"
BELLE AND SEBASTIAN "Beautiful"
HANK WILLIAMS "Wedin' Bells" "My son call another man daddy" "A Mansion
on the Hill"
THE FIELD MICE "Canada"
LE MANS "Perezosa y tonta"

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From Stip at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  2 15:05:30 1998
From: Stip at xxx.uk (Stip / Blue Music)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:05:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: My hero!
Message-ID: <k0Bk9CAqs5I1Ew7w@stip.demon.co.uk>

Inspiring women of the world. Many, many - most of whom are in some way
debatable and hence I shall provide no examples.

All this talk of pigeon street, however, got me thinking. I had my own
heroine as an infant - she was sexy, sassy, and she had the greatest
theme on TV. I adopted her moniker as a tribute to her infinite
brilliance.

Long Distance Clara. Need I say more? So age five, and to the delight of
my parents, I found my goal in life. Lorry Driver. Perfect.

I called myself Clara for about a year. No one seemed to pay a blind bit
of notice, and only my very best friend referred to me as I had deemed
appropriate. 

Perhaps this was because previously I'd insisted on only responding to
the name Matilda, after learning and loving that wonderful ode to our
friends down under. You'll come a waltzing indeed.

It must have run in the family. When my little brother finally agreed to
leave the house without adorning his full spiderman regalia and webbed
balaclava, he had an accident on his bike and had to be brought home by
the police. He'd told them his name was Michael Knight.
-- 
Nicola M
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From aevans at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  2 15:39:56 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:39:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tavistock Inner Relief Road
Message-ID: <01BD5E4D.97728740@pc07628>


jon G wrote :

>Adrian Evans mailed me privately and I now apologise profusely for saying
>that those over 20 wouldn't remember pigeon street.  I'm very very sorry.

Ahhhh  !!! Don't make it sound like I was horrible about it.  I am actually quite proud of the fact that I can remember Pigeon Street.

>I think I can remember that one.
>Pow Pow say the pigeons in my head
>Actually, it was more of a peeoooww peeooowww.

I think you'll find the pigeon noises were definitely of a PooPooooo nature with emphasis on the first poo.  Was in my day, but then I'm 27 

this year and they've probably made it all hi-tech like since then.

>M Korchia wrote :

>ps: I won't let sadness spread its wing on me, though. So don't forget
>that both Watoo Watoo & Mumbly CD are still available at a great price
>- -& great quality-. Email me for ordering informations

Watoo Watoo.  Now then Jon, in your capacity as list expert on CTV, you will be able to confirm for me that in fact Watoo Watoo was a classic cartoon character.  I remember the name and that I loved it, but cannae remember jack-all else about it.  Anyone care to describe a classic episode to me ?

Next up sad songs.

I'm no bloody good on music so you'll have to help me out here.

First Up...Instrumental track on New Orders Low Life LP featured on Pretty in Pink I believe.  Very powerful track which brings back memories of every failed relationship ever in three and a half minutes.

Next Up...Track 9 on Depeche Modes Songs of Faith and Devotion.  A most wonderful album when Gahan was getting a bit jesusy..whoops sorry Jesusy.
Sort of goes (apologies for my terrible voice) "Oh Giiiiirrrrrrl, lead me into your darkness, for thissssa world is trying it's hardest to leave me unimpressed."
Definitely one that got played loads during the great depression of '97.

Anymore for anymore ?...How can no-one have put JD's "Atmosphere".  Wow...just hand me the indoor washing line now...

Talking of which i read in this weeks helping of bollocks in the nme 
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From pasty at xxx.com  Fri Apr  3 01:05:45 1998
From: pasty at xxx.com (JOSEPH FOSTER)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:05:45 -0800
Subject: Sinister: ....the saddest song....
Message-ID: <352427D9.4B4F@geocities.com>

All the sad songs make me happy
Cus I smile when I shouldn't
And I've never learnt to cry
Cus I'm a hard bastad at heart


There are lots of songs that make me smile in 'that way' that says less
than tears should, and they all, well nearly all, are on a tape that my
dear father gave to me when I was three, or nearly four, I can't
remember. But I've lost the tape for many years, I'd love to have it
back, but I suppose I'll never see it, oh never mind.

A lot of them were on the White album; Mother natures son, Blackbird,
Julia, I will, Goodnight. And also a few other Beatles songs, the
saddest one of all has to be 'In my life'. It may well be my favourite
song of all time, but whenever people ask me what my favourite song is I
always forget that one, and I say something else that's no way near as
good...


...oh well, bye now. xxx
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From keith at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  2 16:01:50 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:01:50 +0100
Subject: Sinister: FW: Psychological test` (Forward)
Message-ID: <01bd5e48$43d15350$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

>>> > > >And 11 is the song that tells you how you feel about sex!!!


Hahahahahaa, you'll never guess this, the whole thing was going horribly
well up until this point, all strangely true, at least almost all of it, and
then I get to 11, and the song I've chosen pretty much at random from the
CD's on my desk is Sly Stone's "Family Affair"!

Hahhahaa.

Forgotten how many sleaze points I get for that one.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  2 17:05:50 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:05:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: here comes the science bit ... concentrate!
In-Reply-To: <v03102801b1487243e5b4@[128.231.54.142]>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980402170434.14868A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>



On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Kimberly Rivas-Plata wrote:

> science? where's the science?
> 
> a Mr. Cooper wrote:
> >LISTEN UP YOU PHILASTINES B&S ARE COOL BUT THE  STONE ROSES RULE
> 
> and then replied with an entire copied message. I was half expecting
> to see "bless" at the end.
> 
> ttfn,
> kim

i said i was sorry for the whoe 'bless' thing months ago...

is that to be the only impression i ever make on this list?

(apart from that opening lines discussion a month or two ago)

yours obscurely,

espadrille


> 
> --------------------------------
> Yeah, I want some cheesy poofs!
> 
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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 17:06:42 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:06:42 -0500
Subject: Sinister: i'll have a 'p' please, bob...
Message-ID: <199804021106_MC2-38BF-7AA1@compuserve.com>


>> > > >The tenth space is the song that tells you most about your mind.
>> > > >
>> > > >And 11 is the song that tells you how you feel about sex!!!

ok, so it was alright untill here, and then...
10. 'She's Losing It'
11. 'Animal Nitrate'

I swear. Oh dear...
though still not too far off the mark...oops.

debbie xxx.

"Possibly the most difficult time in anyone's life comes when you
have to murder a loved one because they are the Devil."
                                                                Emo Philips


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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  2 17:13:16 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:13:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Fun for the Family!
In-Reply-To: <01bd5e23$67623e80$LocalHost@dell>
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>  However, she's not on the list and is still partial to bit of Natalie
> Imbruglia etc., so she only half-counts. 
> 
some of us are considerably older than 12 or 13, and yet are still partial
to certain bits of natalie imbruglia... (sigh)

does that make us non-persons?

espadrille

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From keith at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  2 16:30:11 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:30:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Lighthouses
Message-ID: <01bd5e4c$39969fe0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

>What people like Rodd Begbie don't understand when they say

>>In my considered opinion, da Spiceys ROOL!

>is that people our age and below genuinely like the Spice Girls, Backstreet
>Boys etc like we like B&S, whereas people like Rodd only like them as a
joke.
>It is a joke, isn't it?  It must be.  It can't be true.



I dunno whether Rodd treats liking the Spice Girls as a joke, although
paying twenty quid or something like that to go and see them - you can get
more personal attention down the Fantasy bar at Tollcross for twenty quid
Rodd than having to go and stand with a load of grannies and 3 year olds at
the SECC singing that you love your mummy.

    I find it hard to believe also that the Spice Girls "rule", they're just
kind of bland really. I've always hated this post-ironic shite, cause I
don't believe it really exists - however, the likes of the backpassage boys
really take the biscuit, they're serious pish aren't they. I never thought
anyone would actually top the Lighthouse Family for pure, blind, blandness
but they have a bloody good stab at it.

    Still you've always had to deal with bland music, be it Phil Collins,
Brotherhood of Man, Colour me Badd etc. Ian Brown made a good point about
this years ago being that there's no use complaining about it, just get in
there and stamp them out... So maybe I will - look out people living in
Lighthouses, here I come baby.... comin to git ya!

Love,
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From paiku at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 17:26:11 1998
From: paiku at xxx.com (sarah :o])
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:26:11 PST
Subject: Sinister: belle and sebastian in the news: on-topic 
    worthless cack
Message-ID: <19980402162615.28072.qmail@hotmail.com>


hmm, well sometimes the squigle is at the top, so it looks like its 
coming from an eye...erm...a dot.  But i wrote the message at 4:30am and 
therefore wasn;t paying too much attention to details such as that, i 
figured that you're all very brilliant and would know what it was :)  
How could it be a sarcastic face, just out of curiosity>  or am i being 
daft again...

sarah

>Oh, and another thing. Sarah wrote: 
>
>	>Songs that reduce me to tears: :~)  
>
>Uh-oh. We have a problem now. How can we tell if that is a sad face or 
the
>most sarcastic face in the world? I don't know how we're going to deal 
with
>this one at all.
>


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From jrbia at xxx.br  Thu Apr  2 17:23:26 1998
From: jrbia at xxx.br (Junior/Fabiana)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:23:26 -0300
Subject: Sinister: Sad Songs
Message-ID: <01bd5e53$aa0cbd20$a64bf5c8@jrbia>

>- R.E.M.: "Find The River", "You Are The Everything", "Nightswimming",


Have you already listened to Gene's version on Nightswimming? I just can't
believe how beautiful it is...
And there are also songs that makes me cry a river, not for beign exactly
sad...probably the most remarkable by now is "Ladies and gentleman we're
floating
in space".

Fabiana
P.S.: Yesterday I forgot to mention Cure's "Pictures of You" (more by the
intro than for its lyrics).

I will love you till I die and I will love you all the time...


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From yazansam at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  2 15:19:25 1998
From: yazansam at xxx.uk (Yaz)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:19:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Some words to read (or not)
Message-ID: <199804021703.SAA08064@mailhost.dircon.co.uk>

Debbie wrote:

>Film Quote of the day; "if i ever start refering to these as the best days
>of my life, remind me to kill myself" This is in my school yearbook
>profile, where it also says i am "intense and glittery". Hmmmmm.
*************************************************************************



OOoooh, i've just remembered what mine was: 
Mine was ... (heehee)

"on a park bench in the town,
We
ruuuuuuuhle 
the sckooool..."

hmmph. actually, it was a cunning device to convert, oooh, over a hundred
young things to Belle + Seb.  Clever huh? 

Well,  (sigh) 
that and the fact that i'm a very lazy person.


love from,

Lazy-Line-Painter-Yaz.
(didn't chya know?)
















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From jon.g at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 18:05:37 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:05:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Fun for the Family!
Message-ID: <01bd5e59$8e9d0f80$LocalHost@dell>

-----Original Message-----
From: A.M. Horne <amh20 at xxx.uk>
To: jon g. <jon.g at btinternet.com>
Cc: Belle & Sebastian List <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 02 April 1998 17:13
Subject: Re: Sinister: Fun for the Family!


>>  However, she's not on the list and is still partial to bit of Natalie
>> Imbruglia etc., so she only half-counts.
>>
>some of us are considerably older than 12 or 13, and yet are still partial
>to certain bits of natalie imbruglia... (sigh)
>
>does that make us non-persons?
>
>espadrille
>
>
Don't be so silly!  It's just that these things are regulation for 12/13
year olds.  They can't escape it, unless they try really hard.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stip / Blue Music <Stip at xxx.uk>
To: sinister at majordomo.net <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 02 April 1998 15:12
Subject: Sinister: My hero!

>Long Distance Clara. Need I say more? So age five, and to the delight of
>my parents, I found my goal in life. Lorry Driver. Perfect.

Long Distance Clara was my favourite too!!  In fact, she's one of the only
ones I can remember, but that doesn't matter - she was fab.

She used to drive over these hills that were totally round - "like the side
of an orange" (a quote from my history textbook, describing roads in the
18th century).  And there was a song whenever she drove - it just went "Long
Distance Clara - Long Distance Clara".  Ohhh...,happy memories.

I think we should start a campaign to bring pigeon street back again - for
the sake of the nation.

****
Sleep The Clock Around is just the best song in the world....ever.....16.
I adore it.
Does anyone else just marvel at that piano solo?  It's amazing.
If it's on the new album, I will be very happy.
It won't be though.

I know it won't be

[Anguish]

jon g.
Chairman, Bring Back Pigeon Street Campaign
jon.g at btinternet.com - http://www.btinternet.com/~jon.g/




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From sarah at xxx.uk  Wed Apr  1 21:57:03 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:57:03 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Happy Songs! YAY!
Message-ID: <2YU4pLAfoqI1EwLn@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

Heehheeeeheeheehee!

Happy Songs follow!

(sorry, but I DON'T BELIEVE someone got my quote. Begbie - i KNEW you
had secret RAWK tendencies. Now Offspring DO *RAWK*.And i HOPE begbie
was just being a twat with da paki shop reference. if not, please never
speak to me again.)

threads - i have never seen any of the films you lot have mentioned.

I don't take it up the arse with Tag/Keef/Paul. Whackily enough, I bet
at least 400 out of the 500 or so here haven't even MET our lovely
saintlucy, um, Keith, and Honeydude. But I am sure you had a nice nite
out.

I shall talk about UP! songs. 

what are the HAPPIEST songs that always cheer you up? para mi....

* Hit and Run - SFA
* Focus Pocus - SFA
* International Language of Screaming - SFA
* Diamond Dew - Gorkys
* Pocketbook Angel - B&S
* Mr Blue Sky - ELO

I am sure everyone will proceed to follow this thread and make the list
SUCh a happy bunny place that honeypauliegrrly will HAVE to putthe happy
bunny thing at the bottom of the list sig again, and we will all dance
around full of the joys of whatever season it is, and RA! 

is that picninc going to happen then? cos it sooore aint been mentioned
- apart from trousers who said to me that he mentioned it but i don't
remember it and what i say must be law. maybe. if you want.

cos if it is, tell me please and i might actualy TRY to lose weight
instead of eating toffee muffins and pies and being a giffer.

smiley grins and beautiful eyes...
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
"Heart and Soul - one must burn"
Joy Division
                         http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk

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From mctag at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 18:30:12 1998
From: mctag at xxx.com (Tag)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:30:12 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Subtitles?  If I wanted to read I'd buy a book.
In-Reply-To: <199804021340.OAA24320@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>
References: <199804021340.OAA24320@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3526cb00.28748759@email.mcmail.com>

I can't stay away today,

Kristen wrote:

>I think we've already talked about Truffaut and my favorite new wave 
>film, JULES ET JIM, but perhaps we should discuss it again.  Ah... 
>Pretentious films.  They make me happy.

Pretentious? ... why??  Kristen - I do know why you said that ... but
don't.  Anyone who has ever professed a liking for any film or book or
record that required a bit of thought has been called pretentious.
Pretentious is just a word used by some people for things they're too
fucking ignorant or lazy to understand.  Don't listen to these people,
they are wrong.  Incidentally, I'd recommend you go and see "Happy
Together", Wong Kar Wai's (Chunking Express) new film.  The bloke in
"Uncut" likes it and so do I.  Stylish, moving, lovely photography,
romantic ... dammit, it's got the lot.  I think I waffled on about
"Chunking Express" before, but that rules too.

John wrote about:

>I don't want to be bore, but can we cut out all this sleaze quiz stuff?
>When I said it wasn't very B&S, I wasn't referring to the lack of B&S
>content, but to the fact that it just doesn't match the mood of B&S
>lyrics.  

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sure when they came up with
the title "Cock Fun" they weren't thinking about chickens.

I can only speak for myself here, but I'm sure Susannah will back me
up (remember, you get extra points for doing that), but no-one was
making any judgements about anyone, or saying anything was wrong.  We
just think dirty jokes are funny.

Love Tag xx
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From johnj at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 18:42:34 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Jackson)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 18:42:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Skipton By-pass
References: <01BD5E4D.97728740@pc07628>
Message-ID: <3523CE0A.5F29@seahouses.u-net.com>

Adrian Evans knows good songs when he hears them:

> First Up...Instrumental track on New Orders Low Life LP featured on Pretty in Pink I believe.

Yes, this is called 'Elegia' or something and is EXCELLENT and they 
actually PLAYED those synths live cos one of them cocks it up at one
point during the track.

> Next Up...Track 9 on Depeche Modes Songs of Faith and Devotion.  A most wonderful album when Gahan was getting a bit jesusy..whoops sorry Jesusy.
> Sort of goes (apologies for my terrible voice) "Oh Giiiiirrrrrrl, lead me into your darkness, for thissssa world is trying it's hardest to leave me unimpressed."

Oh yes again. That would be 'Just One Caress' sung by Gore, dead good
n all that.

I thought of some more, dunno if anyone's said it but
'Tiny Tears' by Tindersticks (their finest, probably)
'China Doll' by Julian Cope. An odd choice maybe but it was a love
song for his wife. Grrrreat.
'Forgiveness Song' by the Walkabouts

That's it for now.
JJ
xx

TAG WHERE's MY CHIPS I AM HUNGRY


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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 19:53:29 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:53:29 -0500
Subject: Sinister: "Damn you, Flash Gordon!"
Message-ID: <199804021354_MC2-38BF-8D92@compuserve.com>

so i'm walking along Prince's Street one morning (this was ages ago, by the
way), and i go into BHS (don't ask why). i go downstairs into the lighting
department and you know how in shops like that you'd expect to hear cacky
elevator muzak? Well, guess what was playing? Belle and Sebastian!!!!!!!
Omigod! People must've thought i was daft cus i just stood there listening
for the duration of the song. Mad. I also heard the god-like genius of the
manics being played in there. would have thought that would've been too
intensely intense for your average weekday shopper, but i guess i was
wrong...ah well, stranger things have happened.

After my Film Quote of the Day; "if i ever start refering to these as the
best days
 of my life, remind me to kill myself", Rod wrote;
>ooh!  i know that one, but can't place it for the life of me.  heathers?

Ahahahahaha. You're wrong. I laugh only cos he did get Sarah's RAWK one.
Bah. You think you're so clever... ; - )  (Rod, that is...Sarah's immensely
classy, so there.)
It was from 'Dazed and Confused', actually (not that embdy's interested).
Such a cool film. Not watched it quite as many times as Star Wars, but
getting there...

Anyhoo, will stop boring yous all with my meaningless drivel...
Yay! Parents going away for two weeks! Big, nay, HUGE parties will
ensue...24 hour drunkenness and expected parallysis by the end of week 1.
Ra! Only 10 days left of school EVER! (then... watch out Glasgow!) Hurrah
for me. Big grin etc, etc...

keep rocking like a big mad thing.....
love,
Debbie xxx.

"...but it's okay.  I was innoculated with little jabs of
religion when I was at Junior School, and it's always prevented me from
catching the real thing"
                                                        Emo Philips  
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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 20:13:04 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:13:04 -0500
Subject: Sinister: dairy milk buttons
Message-ID: <199804021413_MC2-38C7-E6DA@compuserve.com>

"Baa, baa black sheep, have you any wool?
 Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full;
 One for the master, and one for the dame,
 And one for the little boy
 Who lives down the lane."

Sorry, but i was just eating a packet of buttons...oh, and incidently, the
sheep on the front was purple, not black. Maybe someone dropped their
beetroot sandwich into the sheep dip...
FAVOURITE NURSERY RHYMES PLEASE!!! This isn't mine, but i can't get it out
of my head just now.

Ah well, just ignore me and my meaningless ramblings...i'll soon go away
(probably!)

Debbie xxx.

"Keith Richards, impervious to chemical attack; the man who uses napalm
where we would use eyedrops and anthrax where we would use mustard"
                                                            Andy Hamilton
 
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From Blur245 at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 20:09:48 1998
From: Blur245 at xxx.com (Blur245)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:09:48 EST
Subject: Sinister: Fwd: Angels request
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From LeslieH at xxx.COM  Thu Apr  2 20:32:18 1998
From: LeslieH at xxx.COM (Lesley Higgins)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:32:18 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Re:Sinister-dairy milk buttons / fave nursery rhymes 
Message-ID: <01F2E5A1F9BBD01186420000C0DBCFDB113725@NTMIS>

"oh you canny push yer granny off a bus
 you canny push yer granny off a bus
 no you canny push yer granny	
 cos she's yer mammy's mammy,
 no you canny push yer granny off a bus" 

I wish I had some Cadbury's
maybe a time out (a flake + kit kat in one!!)

Lesley 
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From a-bergman at xxx.edu  Thu Apr  2 20:48:33 1998
From: a-bergman at xxx.edu (Amanda Bergman)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:48:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: does this bode well?
In-Reply-To: <199804021340.OAA14093@brookes.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <v03102802b149429f8125@[209.100.70.104]>

Well, I took Ben's little "test" and found that I care the most about Tag,
Keith is my lucky star, and the song that reveals how I feel about sex is
"Stunned and Frozen" by Mark Eitzel.

hmmm.

All this talk of children's TV shows has gotten me to reminisce about
programs like the Muppet Show and the Electric Company and 3,2,1 CONTACT
that were on when I was a kid. Oh, the fleeting days of youth. My birthday
is next Wednesday. sigh.

the last song that made me cry: "explain it to me" by liz phair.

are we going to organize a midwestern picnic? Here at Northwestern there is
the lovely lovely lakefill, which would be suitable. Or some park downtown,
perhaps? Is the Chicago area a suitable meeting place? Any thoughts on
this, please email me off the list.

eating the last of the british candy from her trip,
Swannie


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Northwestern University
a-bergman at nwu.edu

"I'm not what I could be, I need a true love."

--Belle and Sebastian


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From carlosduda at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 20:52:06 1998
From: carlosduda at xxx.com (Carlos Souza)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:52:06 PST
Subject: Sinister: Re: Brazilian sinister
Message-ID: <19980402195207.19901.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hi John,

Sorry for taking so long to answer.
First of all I must say that I agree completely with you when you say 
that B&S lyrics are good poetry. I think that this is the most important 
quality that they have and it's very important for us to pay atention to 
the fact that we are suffering from a very dangerous disease nowadays: 
lack of poetry in our lives. Although everybody says that B&S 
lyrics/music has just sadness, I don't think I agree with them. So, what 
do I think about their songs? I think there are melancholy, compassion, 
beauty in their songs. Their characters are so wonderfully naive, their 
songs, just like pictures of ordinary lives took by beautiful eyes. 
Well, that's it.

See you

Cadu

>From jwigham at meadowell-srb.demon.co.uk Wed Apr  1 02:13:13 1998
>Received: from (meadowell-srb.demon.co.uk) [193.237.199.177]
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>Message-ID: <c8Oo6BAAMhI1kw8Z at meadowell-srb.demon.co.uk>
>Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:12:16 +0100
>To: Carlos Souza <carlosduda at hotmail.com>
>From: john wigham <jwigham at xxx.uk>
>Subject: Brazilian sinister
>MIME-Version: 1.0
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>
>Hi Carlos
>
>No, things aren't so brilliant in that regard here in England,
>especially here in the traditional working class north (Newcastle).
>They are, however, much better than they used to be, which has made my
>life a little happier.
>
>I think B&S are about gentleness, beauty, acceptance of people, living
>in the present, acknowledging life's sadness.  It's a kind of idealism
>different from social or political idealism in that it's achievable
>here, now.  It reminds me of Buddhism.  And the lyrics are actually 
good
>poetry.  
>
>What do they say to you?
>
>John
>-- 
>john wigham
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From carlosduda at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 21:06:55 1998
From: carlosduda at xxx.com (Carlos Souza)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:06:55 PST
Subject: Sinister: FW: Psychological test` (Forward)
Message-ID: <19980402200700.4284.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hi Ben!
You're amazing. I've just done the test and it worked out. Really. 
Believe me. 
Thank you very much!

Cadu

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>X-List: Sinister
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>Another non B&S entry. It's just a harmless bit of fun. Try it, it's 
cool.
> 
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> 
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> 
>Ronan - MAIL ME !!!
> 
>>> > > Subject: Psychology Test
>>> > > >
>>> > > >This game can be scarily true - or just scary.
>>> > > >It only takes a few minutes ... but beware of the outcome!
>>> > > >DON'T read ahead - just do it in order.....
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >First, write the numbers 1 to 11 in a list.(going down the 
page).
>>> > 
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Then in the first and second spaces, fill in any two numbers 
you
>>> > > >want
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >In the 3rd and 7th spaces, write down the names of members of 
the
>>> > > >opposite sex (people that you know).
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Write anyone's name (like friends or family...) in the 4th, 5th
>>> > > >and 6th spots
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Write down four song titles in 8, 9, 10 and 11
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Finally make a wish...
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >AND HERE'S THE KEY FOR THE GAME..
>>> > > >
>>> > > >You must tell (the number in space 2) people about this game in
>>> > > >(the number in space 1) days in order for your wish to come 
true.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >The name in space 3 is the one you love
>>> > > >
>>> > > >The person in 7 is the one you like but can't work out
>>> > > >
>>> > > >You care most about the person you put in 4
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Number 5 is the one who knows you very well
>>> > > >
>>> > > >The name is 6 is your lucky star
>>> > > >
>>> > > >The song in 8 is the song that matches with the person in 3
>>> > > >
>>> > > >The title in 9 is the song for 7
>>> > > >
>>> > > >The tenth space is the song that tells you most about your 
mind.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >And 11 is the song that tells you how you feel about sex!!!
>>> > > >
>>> > 
>>> > ----------------------
>>> > hew at liverpool.ac.uk
>>> > Investigative Psychology Unit
>>> > University of Liverpool
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>
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From davidrab at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 22:18:40 1998
From: davidrab at xxx.com (David Rabagliati)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:18:40 -0000
Subject: Sinister: FW: Psychological test` (Forward)
Message-ID: <01bd5e7c$e8b0d2e0$eb2d63c3@ast>

I'd just like to know, 'm Alex, by the way, does anyone talk about Belle
&Sebastian here, my brother signed on for this and I don't know what he
talks about.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Souza <carlosduda at xxx.com>
To: bferneyhough at brookes.ac.uk <bferneyhough at brookes.ac.uk>
Cc: sinister at majordomo.net <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 02 April 1998 20:08
Subject: Re: Sinister: FW: Psychological test` (Forward)


>Hi Ben!
>You're amazing. I've just done the test and it worked out. Really.
>Believe me.
>Thank you very much!
>
>Cadu
>
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>>From: ben ferneyhough <bferneyhough at xxx.uk>
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>>Another non B&S entry. It's just a harmless bit of fun. Try it, it's
>cool.
>>
>>I promise I won't send anything else no B&S related again.
>>
>>Honest Ben.
>>
>>Ronan - MAIL ME !!!
>>
>>>> > > Subject: Psychology Test
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >This game can be scarily true - or just scary.
>>>> > > >It only takes a few minutes ... but beware of the outcome!
>>>> > > >DON'T read ahead - just do it in order.....
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >First, write the numbers 1 to 11 in a list.(going down the
>page).
>>>> >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >Then in the first and second spaces, fill in any two numbers
>you
>>>> > > >want
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >In the 3rd and 7th spaces, write down the names of members of
>the
>>>> > > >opposite sex (people that you know).
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >Write anyone's name (like friends or family...) in the 4th, 5th
>>>> > > >and 6th spots
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >Write down four song titles in 8, 9, 10 and 11
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >Finally make a wish...
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >AND HERE'S THE KEY FOR THE GAME..
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >You must tell (the number in space 2) people about this game in
>>>> > > >(the number in space 1) days in order for your wish to come
>true.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >The name in space 3 is the one you love
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >The person in 7 is the one you like but can't work out
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >You care most about the person you put in 4
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >Number 5 is the one who knows you very well
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >The name is 6 is your lucky star
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >The song in 8 is the song that matches with the person in 3
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >The title in 9 is the song for 7
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >The tenth space is the song that tells you most about your
>mind.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >And 11 is the song that tells you how you feel about sex!!!
>>>> > > >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----------------------
>>>> > hew at liverpool.ac.uk
>>>> > Investigative Psychology Unit
>>>> > University of Liverpool
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>
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From dpayton1 at xxx.edu  Thu Apr  2 21:25:20 1998
From: dpayton1 at xxx.edu (danelle)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:25:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: sad songs & the amish
Message-ID: <199804022025.OAA13482@bigred.unl.edu>

> While i'm here, does anyone agree that the best time to listen to B&S
> in on long rides in the window seat?  I don't really fly much (there 
> is
> so much room for jokes right there) but i was recently on a 12 hour
> trainride, and it's so lovely to just sit and look out the window with
> your earphones up high.

right on. i bought if your feeling sinister while i was in 
minneapolis.  me and my roommate drove from nebraska.  i listened to 
it all the way home.  *bliss*

*danelle

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From nicolina at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 22:02:54 1998
From: nicolina at xxx.com (Nicole Elger)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:02:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Subtitles and pleasant surprises
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980402120616.26937A-100000@drizzle.com>


On April 2 Tag wrote:

>Pretentious is just a word used by some people for things they're too
>fucking ignorant or lazy to understand. Don't listen to these people,
>they are wrong. Incidentally, I'd recommend you go and see "Happy
>Together", Wong Kar Wai's (Chunking Express) new film. The bloke in
>"Uncut" likes it and so do I. Stylish, moving, lovely photography,
>romantic ... dammit, it's got the lot. I think I waffled on about
>"Chunking Express" before, but that rules too.

Yes Yes Yes, I second both the Wong Kar Wai recommendations. For maximum
effect, see Happy Together while you are Sad Alone. (Um, that sounds
sarcastic but it's not!) I just missed seeing WKW's Fallen Angels in the
theater so will have to try to find it on video. I also recommend another
film out of HOng Kong called "Comrades: Almost a Love Story" -- cheesy
title, but good film, and somewhat reminiscent of Kieslowski, my favorite
director. 


On March 31 Tara Widmer wrote: 

>>most people get completely wrong impressions about what people are
>>going to look like before they see their picture/meet them.
>So, has anybody ever been pleasantly surprised in this regard? do
>tell... I'm curious

Mmmmm, yes, very pleasantly surprised upon receiving a photo. I can't
report on the first meeting part for another 9 hours or so, when he gets
here. He's in a plane crossing the Atlantic as I write this. GULP! 

B&S content? Um, the boy on the plane is the person who introduced me to
B&S and a list member, does that count? 

- Nicole 
.. who also votes for the return of the happy bunny statement
which she had successfully begged HoneyP for in the first place! :-) 


.  .  .  .  n i c o l i n a @ d r i z z l e . c o m  .  .  .  .  

i've concluded once again that i'm too fickle for a signature file.





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From PKHINTZ at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 22:18:49 1998
From: PKHINTZ at xxx.com (PKHINTZ)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:18:49 EST
Subject: Sinister: afternoon shooting:  ink polaroid
Message-ID: <9829fae3.352400bb@aol.com>

	Here is one that was taken of me sitting in the garden.  I am uncertain when
it was taken--either Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday.  Each afternoon I sat in the
chair by the rock wall; the only difference would be the height of the tiger
lilies in the foreground.  The slightly pained expression on my face is
because I had had my appendix removed the Friday before this was taken.  On
Thursday I was stumbling and shambling through my life as usual until I felt a
prick pricka in my side; the next day I was in the hospital.  My eyes are
closed as my head rests against the back of the chair; I wanted the sunshine
to fall on me to warm me.  Instead the sun forced my freckles out of their
winter-hiding.  Ah, that is a large book in my lap--it is about the rise and
fall of modern art.  With the dizzying combination of sunshine and
painkillers, the ideas and words of that book bounced from my head onto the
ground (but I do not think that they are in the photo).  Instead of reading I
had taken wagers with myself as to which daffodil would bloom first, or which
ant would cross that leaf there, or which cloud would block off the sun's
rays.  I won the bet each time.    

		Living and loving,
				Matthew
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From joss at xxx.com  Thu Apr  2 22:41:08 1998
From: joss at xxx.com (Joss)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:41:08 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: Angels request
Message-ID: <v01530503630bba64579b@[194.125.41.220]>

Looks like somebody took the Cliff Richard approval thing a little TOO
seriously. Listen, this is pish...

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The best form of defence is attack.
You know that, I know that..."


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From faw1 at xxx.edu  Thu Apr  2 22:39:27 1998
From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:39:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Subtitles and Surprises
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Hear hear.  I'm with Tag and Nicole on this whole here Wong Kar Wai bit.
If you haven't already seen Fallen Angels, go see it now!  It's sort of
the unofficial "sequel" to Chungking Express (that Faye Wong...  gulp!),
kinda--even if it does have a Cranberries song...

But also rent his "Days of Being Wild"; I guarantee the most amazing
opening scene since Touch of Evil, more because of the awesome dialogue
exchange--very Belle and Sebastian I must say.

I think a connection tween Wong Kar Wai and our beloved pop group is the
manner in which the mundane is suffused with overwhelming 
feelings of nostalgia.  Ha!

So says the magniloquently verbose s.a.t.-swearing film critic...

'sank yew!

francisco

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From vlass at xxx.com  Fri Apr  3 01:23:31 1998
From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 19:23:31 -0500
Subject: Sinister: we're not terrific but we're competent
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980403002331.00686f68@mail.interlog.com>

hello there...

how are you? is that a dumb way to start off a post? er...

Debbie wrote:
>Such a cool film. Not watched it quite as many times as Star Wars, but
>getting there...
ummm.. okay, i think im the only person in the world who HAS NOT seen star
wars. am i really missing out?

>> >>Please....do it for Jenny.Send ten copies and see what happens in
>> four days.  You will get a surprise.  This is true, even if you are
>> not superstitious.
>> >>Good luck, but please remember: 10 copies of this message must
>> leave your hands in 96 hours.......... >or else.......... >>
errrr.. if i had an angel, i would hope that she would come down to help me
even if i *didn't* send this message to 10 teens.. "or else".. pish, i don't
want an angel who gives me ultimatums!

oh, and since sad songs is such a hot topic these days.. the song "behind
the garage" by erics trip always makes me sad (does anyone know/like that
song?) and just the other day i was listening to b&s on the porch and the lines,
"you're worth the trouble and you're worth the pain
 you're worth the worry, i would do the same..."
made me quite teary.. *sniff*

and, 
jong wrote:
>Sleep The Clock Around is just the best song in the world....ever.....16.
>I adore it.
>Does anyone else just marvel at that piano solo?  It's amazing
this is a song to marvel at! it always puts me in a good mood.. anyone have
the lyrics to it?

oh, and #sinister is just so much fun! when there are a lot of people
everything goes by at a dizzying rate, but that's what adds to the
excitement...since we can't get to all the picnics around the world, it's
nice to put realtime text to people on the list...

ummmm, it's rainy and grey and cold, but hey - it's spring!!
see you later...
teri xoxo

Lita Vlassopoulos
vlass at interlog.com
 



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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Fri Apr  3 01:56:11 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:56:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: we're not terrific but we're competent
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980403002331.00686f68@mail.interlog.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980402184659.1323A-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>

teri mentioned eric's trip:

> oh, and since sad songs is such a hot topic these days.. the song "behind
> the garage" by erics trip always makes me sad (does anyone know/like that
> song?) and just the other day i was listening to b&s on the porch and the lines,
> "you're worth the trouble and you're worth the pain
>  you're worth the worry, i would do the same..."
> made me quite teary.. *sniff*

This is the song that goes, "It's true that we were brokem up, you could 
do anything..." (my interpretation of the lyrics, which may or may not be 
right).  Yes.  An Eric's Trip tape was given to me my by favorite friend 
Patrick when I was in high school.  I listened to it nonstop, eventually 
taping it-- and that song in particular-- for all of my friends.  I 
haven't listened to that tape in at least a year.  I think I will go and 
find it in the tape box under my bed.  Another sad song: Think (Let 
Tomorrow Bee) by Sebadoh, which conjures up all kinds of relationship 
questions, doubts, insecurities...

What else can I write to give this post merit?  How about a new topic: 
Songs that make us inexplicably happy!  Mine include a b-side by the Cure 
called Halo, which reminds me of a very early boyfriend (when I was 14, 
to be precise), Plant White Roses by the Magnetic Fields, Check and 
Double Check- Stereolab...  Funny, the whole time we've been talking 
about sad songs, I've not been able to think of any terribly mopey 
tunes.  Now it seems that about 98 per cent of the songs I love are about 
very sad things.  Seeing Other People has a nice, bright tune, though the 
lyrics don't necessarily make me leap with joy.  

-Kristen 
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From eyh96 at xxx.edu  Fri Apr  3 03:31:28 1998
From: eyh96 at xxx.edu (remaniac)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:31:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: the saddest song 
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980402213040.879A-100000@hamp.hampshire.edu>



regarding Mazzy Star's "Fade Into You" jane wrote: 

> you're just so right!  i can't listen to that song without crying - not
> only because it's so lovely but because i fell in love to that song.  i
> know that's incredibly corny. 
> but he was my first real love.  the first night i stayed over his house,
> he put that song on first thing in the morning.  and it was a glorious
> morning.  sunny and warm.  then he made me muffins and tea.

> up that time for me.  needless to say, we were together for two years
> then had a very sad break up.  so fade into you just tears me apart. 

this passage practically could have been written by me...though
unfortunately I missed out on the muffins and tea bit <sigh>

More sad songs before this topic is completely exhausted:
tom waits-november (the sentiment of my life here in new england)
tori amos-hey jupiter
the cure-apart
rem-camera
morrissey-late night, maudlin street
and -i'm confessing my love of cyndi lauper here- true colors isn't
necessarily sad, but it makes me teary

--em


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From parachute at xxx.net  Fri Apr  3 10:28:53 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (bradford)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 01:28:53 -0800
Subject: Sinister: yo
Message-ID: <3524ABD5.24AA@earthlink.net>

this is my
my goodbye
to blue eyed sinisterines

i've got to go to news only. this is getting a bit much. it's been fun.
thanks for all those people who have turned me on to a lot of new bands
(trembling blue stars, go betweens, the sarah stuff, etc.)

i'll leave you all with a couple of facts i've always been scared to
admit.

1. unlike tag, begbie has rocked me from the backside, shafted me up the
ass, took the 7:00 to browntown, tamed my manpussy, however you want to
refer to it. and not only does he pitch, he also catches, if you get my
drift.
2. the song that makes me cry is "the man in the mirror" by michael
jackson
3. according to that sleaze quiz, i'll see some of you in hell. i'll be
the one in the t-shirt that says "official bikini inspector"

goodbye all.
-brad
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From aadam at xxx.com  Fri Apr  3 04:59:44 1998
From: aadam at xxx.com (Aadaminational Jacobsination)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:59:44 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Songs that make you cry
Message-ID: <35245EA8.675A@interaccess.com>

Hello friends,
I've been thinking about this a bit. I don't particularly like to listen
to sad songs because I'm an optimistic person, but these few are bound
to bring in the ship of melancholia.
Stina Nordenstam-"Goodbye"
Television Personalities-"Stop And Smell The Roses"

These last two were constantly in my head when a friend of mine killed
himself a couple of years ago:
The Kinks-"There's Too Much On My Mind"
Neil Young-"Don't Cry No Tears"
            from his wonderful album _Zuma_ that said friend introduced
me to. Now I have his copy as a memento.

I'm getting choked up
Aadam

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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Apr  3 09:36:46 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:36:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: "Damn you, Flash Gordon!"
Message-ID: <01bd5edb$a33f10f0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

>so i'm walking along Prince's Street one morning (this was ages ago, by the
>way), and i go into BHS (don't ask why). i go downstairs into the lighting
>department and you know how in shops like that you'd expect to hear cacky
>elevator muzak? Well, guess what was playing? Belle and Sebastian!!!!!!!
>Omigod! People must've thought i was daft cus i just stood there listening
>for the duration of the song. Mad. I also heard the god-like genius of the
>manics being played in there. would have thought that would've been too
>intensely intense for your average weekday shopper, but i guess i was
>wrong...ah well, stranger things have happened.


Oh that'll be Lisa Rogan then, I've got friends who work in the lighting
department of BHS and indeed who like Belle and Sebastian.

Some other places you might hear them...

Blasting at 150dB over the P.A. at Ivory and Syme on Charlotte Square,
12 miles away in a concrete bunker from Andrew Nicol's graphics HTML
thingymajig company. (Andy = the Big man).

cheers,
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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Apr  3 09:48:34 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:48:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sleep the clock around
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>and,
>jong wrote:
>>Sleep The Clock Around is just the best song in the world....ever.....16.
>>I adore it.
>>Does anyone else just marvel at that piano solo?  It's amazing
>this is a song to marvel at! it always puts me in a good mood.. anyone have
>the lyrics to it?



Not often prone to writing things about Belle and Sebastian here but yes
"Sleep the Clock Around" (or "Slap my cock around" which I'm prone to
calling it) is one of my favourite songs.I only hope the final recorded
version comes out as brilliant as the session, as I don't believe I can say
that for Dylan in the Movies.
    I think probably what it misses the most however is some extended guitar
workout at the end, a bit of tapping, artificial harmonics and perhaps some
whammy bar work too.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From jwigham at xxx.uk  Fri Apr  3 10:17:20 1998
From: jwigham at xxx.uk (john wigham)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:17:20 +0100
Subject: Sinister: more sleaze
In-Reply-To: <199804021921.UAA22342@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1XXSgHAgkKJ1kwDv@meadowell-srb.demon.co.uk>

Tag wrote
>I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sure when they came up with
>the title "Cock Fun" they weren't thinking about chickens.
>
>I can only speak for myself here, but I'm sure Susannah will back me
>up (remember, you get extra points for doing that), but no-one was
>making any judgements about anyone, or saying anything was wrong.  We
>just think dirty jokes are funny.

Yeah, yeah, so do I, so do I (well at least some of them).  Maybe I
overreacted by a few per cent - Honey tells me Susannah is a nice person
and a good laugh, which covers a multitude of sins.  Read in that light
her message is a bit different.

I suppose the only point I'm trying to make is this - not that we
shouldn't have jokes about sex and stuff, just that the best way of
dealing with sexual/moral fascism isn't to consciously rebel against it
and feel vaguely guilty by using words like dirty etc, but just to
ignore it and get on with the fun.

Anyway, I scored 138.

John
xxxxx
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From RKS at xxx.uk  Fri Apr  3 10:27:39 1998
From: RKS at xxx.uk (Russell Sharpe)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:27:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: RE: American Music Club (no B&S)
Message-ID: <c=GB%a=TMAILUK%p=DCNET%l=EXCHANGE2-980403092739Z-2377@smtp.datcon.co.uk>

>
>Mike Appelstein wrote:

>>Then there's always American Music Club's middle period, which 
>>contains some of the very saddest, most beautiful songs ever written.
>>How many listmembers love "Everclear?"

while Birjinder Anant lamented:
>
>I do!!  It was the first AMC album I bought and I thought all their 
>albums were just as good.   Unfortunately, that wasn't the case at all.  
>Their other albums disappointed me, and not just one of them, but three 
>(Engine, Mercury, and San Francisco).  But "Everclear" is so wonderful, 
>especially the songs on the second side like 'Sick of Food' and 'Royal 
>Cafe'.

You don't mention California and United Kingdom, which are every bit as
good as Everclear.  I agree that in Engine they were only just getting
it together, while in San Francisco they were falling apart (though
there are good things on both).  But Mercury is underrated I think.  The
opening bars of I've Been A Mess would be enough to justify it alone:

Lazarus wasn't grateful
For his second wind
For another chance to see his chances
>Fade like the dawn....

as would the mere title of What Godzilla Said To God When His Name
Wasn't Found In The Book Of Life (of which song there is however a far
better version - under the title Nothing Can Bring Me Down - on Mark
Eitzel's live solo album Songs Of Love, which is admittedly a bit rough
for some tastes - he is constantly apologising for the bum notes and
"always fucking this part up".  Comes across as a very sweet human
being, difficult to be with).

Anyone who doesn't know AMC and is interested might try California or
Everclear first...

rustle
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From afoley at xxx.com  Fri Apr  3 11:33:11 1998
From: afoley at xxx.com (afoley at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:33:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: A few torts and tings
Message-ID: <802565DB.00372B16.00@csc.com>

Here's a few tings in answer to recent treads:

<Pigeon Street>
I must be far too old to remember this, as it doesn't ring any bells at
all, however I should
be far too old to remember another programme, but I do, and that one is
Trapdoor.  Yes!!

<songs (sad/moving/whatever..>
There's been some classics mentioned so far:
from Adrian Evans:
Joy Division - Atmosphere
New Order - Elegia
from Tiago Andre' Figueiredo:
Nick Cave - The Ship Song
These are all fuc... (oops, I almost swore then, must remember there are
youngsters about!)
excellent tunes and very moving.
I'd like to add to that by suggesting a few more:
John Martyn - Couldn't Love You More
Nick Drake - Way to Blue
U2 - Drowning Man and Tomorrow
Radiohead - Lurgee and Exit Music
Jeff Buckley - Last Goodbye
The Smiths - Reel Around The Fountain
Captain Beefheart - Bluejeans and Moonbeams and Further Than We've Gone

<films>
Nothing pretentious about foreign films, especially where Truffaut is
concerned, so it's a thumbs
up for Jules et Jim.  Thanks for re-awakening my interest whoever you are!
Also recommended are My Life As A Dog, which is an absolute classic - I
love that film!
The Slingshot, and of course Cinema Paradiso, there's more, but my memory's
not there!

Also, I noticed that someone else was at the good ol' Bully for Animal
House the other week!!
Quality gig or what?  I must admit, my memory's not quite as good as I
thought, can't remember
as much detail as "Harry Lime" though. All I know is that I really enjoyed
the gig, although i felt
sorry for the support, Shuffle who didn't get quite the reaction they
deserved.  One thing that I
thought was well funny was as Shuffle took the stage, I heard a girl say to
her friends "So which
one was in Ride then?"  - Laugh, I nearly cried my eyes out, it was so
funny!!

And another thing to our young friends John and Bethey - You make me feel
so old!!!!  But I'd
like to think if I was 15 today then I'd still be here as I am now, if that
makes any sense!
There was none of this email malarkey in my day you know!

Well, that's enough guff from me, so goodnight and god bless.

Ady


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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Fri Apr  3 10:45:10 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:45:10 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Well, Bugger Me!
Message-ID: <01bd5ee5$32444aa0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>

It hurts like buggery to see people suggesting, even in jest, that there is
anything sleazy about up the bum sex. It's perfectly normal behaviour, ask
your mum. Everyone does it nowadays, it's all the rage. Even educated fleas
do it.

What hurts even more, makes my eyes water in fact, is the suggestion that
our posts should be in keeping with the mood of B&S lyrics. What's more, I
think there is quite a lot of nudge nudge double entendre in B&S lyrics,
what with rude vicars and references to "where to put it", not to mention
seven to eight year olds and gay sailors. Am I the only one hoping that B&S
rock out soon and provide us with a crunching melodic rock anthem laden
album?

A final word of thanks to my reggae mentors, Natty Dread Mitchell and Tim
"King Tubby" Hopkins. I bought the Yabby You album yesterday, and it does
inded contain "Conquering Lion" in its entirety. I haven't listened to it
yet, but the booklet is very nice. He's not a rasta, you know, he's a Jesus
Dread. There's even a reading list, which includes the Book of Revelations.
I've already read it, mate. Top quality prophecies.

Peace List!

Peter

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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Fri Apr  3 10:29:34 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:29:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: HMV / NYC
Message-ID: <19980403092934.25829.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>

jon g. said:

>bethey was in HMV (a cd shop for those who don't know)

Truer than you might have meant, jon.  Although Our Price is perhaps
an even better example of a CD shop for people who don't know.

My friend Ross works in the big Oxford St HMV store (which perhaps
caters for those who do know too), but he has to deal with lots of
people who don't know all the time.  The other day he was manning the
listening desk place and some bloke came up with some CDs to try, one
of which was Lazy Line Painter Jane.  Ross got cross because the man
was obviously dithering so he said "Look, just buy it.  You won't
regret it".  There is a an army of B&S fans working at the Oxford St
HMV, and they spend their tea breaks discussing the wonder of the
glockenspiel in "Get me away from here, I'm dying" and such things.

Perhaps 'army' is the wrong word for a group of Belle and Sebastian
fans.  What would be an appropriate collective noun? A woos?

Right, now for the real point of my post.  I'm going all the way to
Brooklyn, NYC on Monday for a ten day holiday.  Would any of you lot
who live over that way like to meet up for a drink or something while
I'm over?  I'm quite nice, really. I realise I've left all this a bit
late now, but I can always check my clever yahoo mail in some internet
cafe over there.

nick d.






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From jon.g at xxx.com  Fri Apr  3 12:03:02 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:03:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Everything
Message-ID: <01bd5ef0$12094000$ca3563c3@dell>


-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Dastoor <nickdastoor at xxx.com>
To: sinister at majordomo.net <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 03 April 1998 11:02
Subject: Sinister: HMV / NYC


>jon g. said:
>
>>bethey was in HMV (a cd shop for those who don't know)
>
>Truer than you might have meant, jon.  Although Our Price is perhaps
>an even better example of a CD shop for people who don't know.

What?  I think you've lost me - I wasn't sure if they had HMVs outside the
UK, so I was just explaining what they were.  I don't think I quite
understand all this.  Our local HMVs sell about 3 vinyls and 2 tapes, but
the rest are cds, therefore it is a cd shop.  I'm really confused.  Our
Price only sells Peter Andr�, so we ignore that.

A group of Belle & Sebastian fans could be called a gaggle.  A Coven.  A
convent.  Who knows.  Someone with a thesaurus should find something
exciting.

----Original Message-----
From: afoley at xxx.com>
To: sinister at majordomo.net <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 03 April 1998 10:32
Subject: Sinister: A few torts and tings

><Pigeon Street>
>I must be far too old to remember this, as it doesn't ring any bells at
>all, however I should
>be far too old to remember another programme, but I do, and that one is
>Trapdoor.  Yes!!

Trapdoor?  Was that the one where kids walked through this
computer-generated maze with all these scary spiders and things trying to
kill them?  Or have I lost it completely?

>These are all fuc... (oops, I almost swore then, must remember there are
>youngsters about!)
>excellent tunes and very moving.

Ho ho ho.  Us 15 year olds causing more chaos.  The thing is that we feel
really old, but you think we're really young and we're somewhere in between,
I think.

>And another thing to our young friends jo(h)n and bethey - You make me feel
>so old!!!!  But I'd
>like to think if I was 15 today then I'd still be here as I am now, if that
>makes any sense!
>There was none of this email malarkey in my day you know!

Ho ho ho ho ho.


Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho.



Ho ho ho ho ho.

More intimidation.

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Watson <keith at xxx.uk>
To: sinister at majordomo.net <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 03 April 1998 10:23
Subject: Sinister: Sleep the clock around

>Not often prone to writing things about Belle and Sebastian here but yes
>"Sleep the Clock Around" (or "Slap my cock around" which I'm prone to
>calling it) is one of my favourite songs.I only hope the final recorded
>version comes out as brilliant as the session, as I don't believe I can say
>that for Dylan in the Movies.
>    I think probably what it misses the most however is some extended
guitar
>workout at the end, a bit of tapping, artificial harmonics and perhaps some
>whammy bar work too.

NO!  That piano is just the best thing ever - even better than the one on
Like Dylan In The Movies.
Is it Chris playing?  Probably - but Stuart M does a bit of piano doesn't
he.  However, it sounds like Chris - cos it's almost as cool as his flares.
I don't think the extended guitar workout is necessary at all - but being a
piano artiste, I think I appreciate these fabulous things more than guitar
people.  He's got about 108 keys he could press and he just presses the
right ones at the right time.  Nothing short of genius.  However, I could be
wrong.

Right, well I'll see you all later, for my regular second message of the
day.

Tara luvs
jon g.
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From Martin_Conneely at finance.irlgov.ie  Fri Apr  3 13:30:26 1998
From: Martin_Conneely at finance.irlgov.ie (Martin Conneely)
Date: 3 Apr 98 13:30:26 
Subject: Sinister: Natalie Imbruglia, Dali and Glasgow
Message-ID: <9804031825.AA1028@mail.irlgov.ie>

Espadrille wrote 
>some of us are considerably older than 12 or 13, and yet are still partial
>to certain bits of natalie imbruglia... (sigh)

Every time I hear "Torn", I think it would make a great video to have her 
singing it in front of Dali's picture of Christ crucified, which got quite a 
rip at some stage, in Glasgow's Museum of Religion.


Martin C.
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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Fri Apr  3 13:35:51 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:35:51 +0100
Subject: Sinister: dairy milk buttons
Message-ID: <F1757BBEF26ED011AF7800A024CBD8DC2AB069@kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk>

> Sorry, but i was just eating a packet of buttons...oh, and incidently,
> the
> sheep on the front was purple, not black. Maybe someone dropped their
> beetroot sandwich into the sheep dip...
> FAVOURITE NURSERY RHYMES PLEASE!!! This isn't mine, but i can't get it
> out
> of my head just now.
> 
"Au clair de la lune
Mon ami Pierrot;
Prete-moi ta plume
Pour ecrire un mot;
Ma chandelle est morte
Je n'ais plus du feu:
Ouvrez-moi la porte,
Pour l'amour de Dieu."

	I apologise for lack of proper accents and most likely wrong
spellings, but this is my favourite nursery rhyme.  An odd one,
perchance, but I like it.  Anyone else?

          ByeBye,
                      Liz.
                      (edaplynr3n00297 at kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk)

*********************************************
Those who are heroes are known
Such as this man, son of that other;
Thou hast no mother and no father:
Thou resemblest a bastard child, God.
*********************************************


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From ELA97SDT at xxx.uk  Fri Apr  3 05:04:44 1998
From: ELA97SDT at xxx.uk (Stoo.)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 05:04:44 +0100
Subject: Sinister:Guitar Stuff
Message-ID: <2E6DDD239E@broadstone.shef.ac.uk>

Hello all,

I'm unsubscribing from the list as I'm leaving university until 
September, but I thought that these may be of some use to someone.  
They differ from the ones on the sinister site, but to my ears they 
sound a bit closer to the records. Failing that,they're also a bit 
easier to play. 
The  chords are w/ respect to a capoed guitar.

Stars Of Track & Field (capo 2nd)
A,E,G,A,E,D
F,(A,D,A,E)*2
E,Em,D

Seeing Other people (capo 4th)
Intro:A,G,C,A    The Rest:A,G,A,F#m,G,D,A
         G,C,E,E                     G,F#m,G,D,A,E,G,D,Esus4,E
         D,D,C,C
         A,G,A,A

Century of Fakers/Elvis (capo 7th)
G
G,D/F#,C,G,C,G,(D,Dsus4,D,Dsus2)or (D)-depending on the verse
Em,C,G,D
G,C,G,C

I haven't got time to write any more,but if anyone's interested, they 
can write to me at the address below, or mail me before 12noon 
saturday.
  
 I apologise to the non-guitar players on the list, but I'm going now 
anyway.

 I'd just like to thank the entire list membership for cheering me up 
in a dull year. Thankyou.

Bye till September,
Stoo.

P.S  Is Stuart David his full name, or his first & middle? I'm interested 
'cause I'm a Stuart David too.


Stuart David Thomson
26 Clayton Road
Coundon
Coventry 
W.Midlands
CV6 1FE

"There's one thing that we've still got...
  That's one last dance in this parking lot...."

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From cja1000 at xxx.uk  Fri Apr  3 14:04:20 1998
From: cja1000 at xxx.uk (Chris)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:04:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Well, Bugger Me!
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On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, PJMiller wrote:

> What's more, I think there is quite a lot of nudge nudge double entendre
> in B&S lyrics, what with rude vicars and references to "where to put
> it", not to mention seven to eight year olds

I may not know much, but I do know that the line "seven to eight years
old" isn't double entendre. I actually feel slightly offended by the
suggestion, since the song is a lot more serious than that.

C.

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From rclander at xxx.net  Thu Apr  2 14:58:27 1998
From: rclander at xxx.net (Richard Lander)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:58:27 +0800
Subject: Sinister: the saddest story ever told
Message-ID: <01bd5e3f$6984bfa0$0afd51ca@rclander.netfront.net>


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Appelstein <ciflux at xxx.com>
To: sinister at majordomo.net <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 01 April, 1998 6:22
Subject: Sinister: the saddest story ever told


>The Chills are always good for inducing a tear or two, especially the
>_Submarine Bells_ album (one of the best of the '90s if you ask me) and
>the single "The Great Escape."

I would agree with you totally about this track. Another song, which
appeared on the Lost EP and on the Kaleidoscope World CD is 'This Is The
Way'. I love this, 'The Great Escape' and 'Pink Frost' so much.

'Randolphs Going Home' by Shayne Carter & Peter Jeffries is also an
incredibly haunting and sad song about a friend/fellow musician who was
killed in a train crash.

Richard
rclander at netfront.net                                    ICQ: 4039573

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From rod at xxx.com  Fri Apr  3 15:25:14 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:25:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: e-instamatics, spice girls, grannies and two bad jokes.
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980403140237.1876G-100000@ninmu>

Ink Polaroids are alright, but in this electronic medium (which go nowhere
near ink), I think they should be renamed e-instamatics.  Here's a couple
from me.

The first one is off my class photo being taken.  It's a cold and windy
day, and we had to stand around for 10 minutes while the other class had
their photo taken, and we're all a bit fed up by now.  We're standing on a
slight hill outside the department in three rows.  Kathy's still a bit
upset because Rod M threw a worm at her.  Most of us in the back row have
smiles on our faces, cause Steven G has just stood up again after falling
over when the photographer asked him to step to the right a bit.  The
photographer is just about ready to take the photo, and has just counted
'3..2..1..'  When he got to two, though, Charles whipped out a pair of
those comedy Groucho Mark glasses+nose+moustache things and is holding it
above his face.  The photographer doesn't seem to have noticed.

This next one is off the queue for the autoteller in the Grassmarket in
Edinburgh at about 12:15 on a Friday night.  There's nine people in the
queue.  Using the machine is two burly looking blokes who are swearing at
it for not giving them any money.  Behind them are three girls who are
freezing cold due to being underdressed for the Edinburgh night.  Dave is
behind them, wishing he was still in the pub.  And behind him is a guy and
two girls, none of whom seem to really know each other, but give the
appearance of a drug deal in progress. Near the front of the queue is an
old bloke trying to sell copies of the next morning's Daily Record.  Sean
is trying to explain to him that this is a bad place to try and sell the
paper, becuase anyone in the queue is only going to have tenners on them,
so aren't going to have any change to buy a paper, and besides, if they're
taking money out, they're probably about to go to a pub or club, and
aren't going to want to take a newspaper with them.


Right... having got that out of my system...

On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, jon g. wrote:

> What people like Rod Begbie don't understand when they say
> >In my considered opinion, da Spiceys ROOL!
> is that people our age and below genuinely like the Spice Girls, Backstreet
> Boys etc like we like B&S, whereas people like Rod only like them as a joke.
> It is a joke, isn't it?  It must be.  It can't be true.

If it was a joke, would I have spent �19.50 on a ticket for the show
tomorrow night?

No, I seriously do like The Spice Girls.  For far too long, girls have had
the monopoly on teeny-bop bands.  I've watched jealously as my sister and
her friends headed off to Take That concerts with their "Show Us Your
Knobbie, Robbie" banners, and coming back with their stories about meeting
the band at their hotel or at the airport.

Now it's my turn.  I'm going to go tomorrow, and dance and jump and scream
and sing and just generally let make a tit of myself whilst surrounded by
schoolgirls (which isn't a bad way to spend an evening by any stretch of
the imagination).

It will be exciting.  It will be fun.  No, it won't be deep, meaningful or
4 REAL, but it *will* be something quite unsurpassable, I am sure.

Full review on Monday.

On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Lesley Higgins wrote:

> "oh you canny push yer granny off a bus
>  you canny push yer granny off a bus
>  no you canny push yer granny	
>  cos she's yer mammy's mammy,
>  no you canny push yer granny off a bus" 

I liked The Singing Kettle's version of this, which finished with the
chorus

"you can shove yer other granny off the bus,
you can shove yer other granny off the bus,
you can shove yer other granny,
cause she's yer daddy's mammy,
you can shove your other granny off the bus."

Oh, and Debbie, I love Dazed & Confused, I just couldn't place the quote
when I was sat at my terminal.  All I could picture was some American
slackerish-style movie, and all I'd managed to acheive was that I knew it
wasn't The Breakfast Club.  Serves me right for being a smart-arse,
really.

You know how Hugh Grant was in that film about four weddings and a
funeral?  Well, Richard E Grant's made a film about four dogs and a
blackbird.  It's called (all together now) Spiceworld The Movie.

A woman goes into a pub and asks the barman for a 'double entendre', so he
gives her one.

Later, peeps!

Rod.

                                    Rod Begbie @ http://www.begbie.com |
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From uclykan at xxx.uk  Fri Apr  3 14:51:51 1998
From: uclykan at xxx.uk (uclykan at xxx.uk)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:51:51 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Here.We.Go
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At 14:04 03/04/98 +0100, Chris wrote:
>
>On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, PJMiller wrote:
>
>> What's more, I think there is quite a lot of nudge nudge double entendre
>> in B&S lyrics, what with rude vicars and references to "where to put
>> it", not to mention seven to eight year olds
>
>I may not know much, but I do know that the line "seven to eight years
>old" isn't double entendre. I actually feel slightly offended by the
>suggestion, since the song is a lot more serious than that.

Yes, B&S are a serious band and we don't accept any dubious
misunderstandings or silly jokes on their sacred songs. Actually, I'm bored
when I hear how marvellous this bit is and how someone swoons at that bit.
The tracks are there to take in and be taken over. I'd rather read a
put-a-smile-on-my-face message than reverent mumblings. Having said that,
blah blah blah.
A B&S round bus appears at every gig I go to (Pram-Novak,
Prolapse-Delgados, Ganger-Arab Strap), will I see one today, at Tortoise?
Does that show that we are increasing and multiplying? And are we the
rulers and the compasses? Indeed.
It's officially summer.

							         Kelly
  


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From faw1 at xxx.edu  Fri Apr  3 15:26:35 1998
From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:26:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: re: Sleep the Clock Around
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For jon.g's query about who playeth the piano on Sleep the Clock 'Roond,
I think it may be Stevie as he was the one who played it live when "I saw
them at the now notorious Sessions at West 54th performance".  Blah blah
blah.

francisco

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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Fri Apr  3 15:25:49 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:25:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: Subtitles? If I wanted to read I'd buy a book.
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On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Tag wrote:

> Pretentious? ... why??  Kristen - I do know why you said that ... but
> don't.  Anyone who has ever professed a liking for any film or book or
> record that required a bit of thought has been called pretentious.
> Pretentious is just a word used by some people for things they're too
> fucking ignorant or lazy to understand.  Don't listen to these people,
> they are wrong.  

Which is the beauty of calling oneself/one's taste pretentious.  It's 
self-irony, calling oneself that before someone else (someone else who is 
ignorant) does so.  Really, I consider myself a very down-to-earth person 
who happens to like a lot of films, books, and records that require a 
little thought.

That being said, here's my two bits on the sleaze quiz.  Personally, very 
few of the things in the quiz seemed "sleazy" to me (ie smooching, having 
sex, drinking).  Sleazy conjures up images of men named Chaz wearing 
sharkskin suits, oily hair slicked back, pointing two fingers at you and 
winking across the bar, a tiny filling sparkling in a front tooth as they 
grin obnoxiously. You know the groove.  This is true sleaze.  I hope there 
isn't anyone on the list named Chaz.  If so, I apologize.

Reel Around the Fountain is an extremely sad song, I agree.

The Boy and his Dog (is that the actual title? I feel like it's wrong) is a 
nice, campy movie, but I wouldn't call it a favorite, personally.  I thought 
it was silly.

This weekend is Parent's Weekend at my school.  I wish I were seeing 
Tortoise like um, er, I don't remember who, but whoever is going in the 
near future.  I'm extremely jealous.

-Kristen
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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Fri Apr  3 15:29:50 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:29:50 +0100
Subject: Sinister: talk about the weather
Message-ID: <F1757BBEF26ED011AF7800A024CBD8DC2AB071@kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk>

So the pavements are covered in pale pink and cream-coloured blossom at
the moment.  It seems like such a waste of something so beautiful, but
what can you do?  I suppose you could go around sticking the wee bits of
natural confetti back on the branches, but it goes soggy and it'd get
frankly rather unhealthy after only a short while. 

YIKES!  Big thunder outside just now.  It's pissing it down and there's
thick cloud outside the library window.

Anyway.  Back to the nonsense.  I really really want Tigermilk to be
reissued, as my (naughty naughty) tape is getting a bit knackered now.
Please!  I'm dying here...
If we live to see the day that this actually occurs, the resulting
scream of joy from sinisterines will most likely be of
stratosphere-troubling volume.  This is a good thing, honest.

          ByeBye,
                      Liz.
                      (edaplynr3n00297 at kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk)

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Those who are heroes are known
Such as this man, son of that other;
Thou hast no mother and no father:
Thou resemblest a bastard child, God.
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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Apr  3 15:00:59 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:00:59 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I'm Mandy, fly me
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>On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, PJMiller wrote:
>
>> What's more, I think there is quite a lot of nudge nudge double entendre
>> in B&S lyrics, what with rude vicars and references to "where to put
>> it", not to mention seven to eight year olds
>
>I may not know much, but I do know that the line "seven to eight years
>old" isn't double entendre. I actually feel slightly offended by the
>suggestion, since the song is a lot more serious than that.
>
>C.


Surely you can do better than being offended by what is plainly a joke. It's
going to get pretty hard writing anything on this list soon if people decide
to take offence at things like this.


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From pasty at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 00:41:40 1998
From: pasty at xxx.com (JOSEPH FOSTER)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:41:40 -0800
Subject: Sinister: waltermekon in ether hades
Message-ID: <352573B4.46F8@geocities.com>

I got the Trap door 'compilation video' for christmas, it was allways
one of my favourite programmes. Willie Rushton is, well was (God Bless),
a truely brilliant man, not only did he narate, and provide material
for, Trapdoor, but he also narrated Winnie the Pooh, for (I think)
Jackanory, Which my Dad's got, and is just lovely.

But can I confess that the music for Trapdoor was just awful. You here
it about 10 times in half an hour on the video, and it drives me insane.
Would B&S dare tackle the music to a kids TV show? 
Why not make a plastascene type cartoon based on their songs?
I'm not sure what time it would be aired, maybe C4 could commision it
for late at night, cus their is a great absence of good TV on after
midnight.

Now that I know that the good people in HMV like a bit of B&S, I can ask
for a job and mention that I love them, hmmmmmm, would I get a job on
the strenght of that alone? Has anyone any more insider info into how to
get a job simply by liking the same band as your employer?

allfreedazane.
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From johnj at xxx.com  Fri Apr  3 16:03:17 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Jackson)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:03:17 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Baby you're the best
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Keith Watson ripped out the entrails of a squid and gazed into 
our future:

> Surely you can do better than being offended by what is plainly a joke. It's
> going to get pretty hard writing anything on this list soon if people decide
> to take offence at things like this.

Keith mate - it already is.

JJ
xx

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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Fri Apr  3 17:30:42 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:30:42 -0500
Subject: Sinister: More 80's tat. Yay!
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Message text written by JOSEPH FOSTER
>I got the Trap door 'compilation video' for christmas, it was allways
one of my favourite programmes.<

Yay! I've got the board game and it truely is a wondrous piece of card and
plastic; with pop-up trapdoors too! (neh neh)  The best board game was
Hungry Hippos, though- i used to take this into primary school on the last
day. Much fun was had (and still is, i think i will look for it tonight)

thats all. sorry...

love always,
Debbie xxx.

(sleaze score: 106. Hmmm)
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Fri Apr  3 18:21:49 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:21:49 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Funky Chicken
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Keith wrote:

>Surely you can do better than being offended by what is plainly a joke.
It's
>going to get pretty hard writing anything on this list soon if people
decide
>to take offence at things like this.

Yes, it'll certainly be difficult for me. For the record, I meant no harm to
seven to eight year olds, neither do I harbour a secret wish to cast
aspertions on Stuart Murdoch's lyrics. I was trying to make the point that
not everyone sees the same things in the songs, so it's a bit difficult to
tailor our postings to the spirit of B&S, whatever that is. Personally I
send all my sensitive responses to sunsets and the onset of springtime to
the Psychic TV / Throbbing Gristle list instead. I feel they contrast nicely
with the endless rantings about pierced knobs. For future reference, nothing
I send to the list is intended to wound or distress. I do all my ranting and
abusing off the list. Don't I? But I freely admit to being a bit mischievous
at times.

Back to business: the best happy songs in the world are "Feeling Hot Hot
Hot" by Arrow and "Funky Chicken" by Rufus Thomas. I don't share Rod's love
of the Spice Girls, but I can dig what he's trying to say. One of my
favourite songs at the moment is by a splendid little chap called Aaron
Carter, who claims to be having a "crazy little party". He IS about seven to
eight years old.

Today I attempted to have a B&S experience by paying a visit to a
photography exhibition. It was dead good, there was loads of pictures of big
hairy bums and a really good one of a cuddly toy factory, which I would like
for my living room wall. Lots of other stuff too. I'm glad I'm not a
photographer, otherwise I'd be really depressed. Mind you, I did get to use
the word "archbishopric" which was nice, and very Belle and Sebastian if you
ask me.

Peter

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From mctag at xxx.com  Fri Apr  3 19:14:24 1998
From: mctag at xxx.com (Tag)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 18:14:24 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Buggar me revisited
Message-ID: <3526269a.3630988@email.mcmail.com>

Hello,

Rodd Begbie (the least racist man in the world, apparently) wrote:

>You know how Hugh Grant was in that film about four weddings and a
>funeral? Well, Richard E Grant's made a film about four dogs and a
>blackbird. It's called (all together now) Spiceworld The Movie."

Peter Miller wrote:

>What's more, I think there is quite a lot of nudge nudge double entendre
>in B&S lyrics, what with rude vicars and references to "where to put it",
>not to mention seven to eight year olds

One of these drew the following response from Chris.

>I actually feel slightly offended by the suggestion, since the song is a
>lot more serious than that.

Gentle reader, can you guess which?  Nice to know we've all got our
priorities right, isn't it?

Tag
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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Fri Apr  3 19:34:12 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:34:12 -0500
Subject: Sinister: intense meaningfulnesslessnesss (or sommat...)
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Message text written by "PJMiller"
> One of my
favourite songs at the moment is by a splendid little chap called Aaron
Carter, who claims to be having a "crazy little party". He IS about seven
to
eight years old.<

No no no no no no no!!!!!! He IS the spawn of Satan and should be sent back
to hell immediately. AND his brother is in the Backalley Boys.
Aaaaaaaaaargh!!!

Sorry, got a wee bit carried away there, but it's still true.
My appologies for what I'm about to mention next as it must be gettin' a
bit boring for those outside UK or who are too old, but.....
80's CTV!!! (yeah well, it's the only thing I know about. Honest.) 'Button
Moon' and 'Finger Mouse'!!! How could I have forgotten these? Bah.
It always amused me that you could send away for a fact-sheet on how to
make a Fingermouse. Did some people not realise it was just a wee paper
cone thing? I dunno. Kids, eh?

Should I rush out and buy the Bernard Butler album on Monday, or should I
get those blue cord flares I've been gazing at for ages? I always did love
Bernard. 'Suede' was the first album I ever bought (and one of the best,
though DogManStar was better); soooo sexy 
<sigh>
I don't think they were my favourite band ever, though. Top 10 definitely,
but the manics (in my opinion) are the best band in the history of the
universe and will never be bettered. This is nothing to do with
musicianship or even writing the best songs ever, or anything, because I
know there are better albums/songs etc. than a lot of theirs. It's what
they meant to me at the time, really. I don't think I could ever become
completely bessoted with a band who existed years before I discovered them/
was born. It wouldn't seem the same, somehow. I dunno why...

Ah well. But what can you do, eh?

love always,
Debbie xxx.

'And what is the use of a book, thought  Alice, Without pictures or
conversations?' 
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From dickon at xxx.uk  Fri Apr  3 20:16:30 1998
From: dickon at xxx.uk (Dickon Edwards)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:16:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Clare Grogan vision of pulchritude....
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Message-ID: <3525358D.DB45EEC5@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>

Okay new member here. please indulge me as I'm still struggling to find my way round
this intricate technology based stuff.....

 Tag (Hi Tag!) has instigated a constant stream of movie related postings and I'm
shocked and surprised that no-one has mentioned "Gregory's Girl," possibly the most B+S
film of all time. (Again apologies if this has been discussed and is nestling in an
archive somewhere.)  If you haven't seen it its by Billl Forsyth, who also went on to
make "Local Hero"(also wonderful) and some very strange thing with Robin Williams as a
caveman(Erm...) Anyone with a passing interest in shy Scottish boys coming to terms with
unrequited love and finding beauty in the mundane (all of you I hope) should be watcing
this religously. It also introduces the brain numbingly gorgeous Clare Grogan, who was
the first crush of every hormone riddled pasty lad of a certain age (including Ritchie
Manic apparently) . Basically the most elegant, awkward, sublimely funny film ever
made...

 On the subject of sad songs the one that always does for me is "My man's gone now" by
Nina Simone. The first time I heard it was at a friends party where I'd decided to bring
a scratchy old vinyl copy I'd found in a car  boot sale instead of a bottle of wine
(cheaper and I'm a bit of a music fascist at parties). Anyway being such polite hosts
they put the album on straight away (unlike some people, still haven't heard that Rutles
album David..)  as the party progressed the wine flowed, more people arrived and
evrything was going swimmingly....... until the album (Nina sings the blues by the way,
sorry) reached the part of "My man's gone now" where Nina screams "OOOLLD MAN
SOORRROWW!" at which point the room went deathly quiet and everyone swivelled there
heads and just stared at the speakers unable to believe that such a noise could come
from a human throat.  Anyway my friend Sarah had just split up with her boyfriend and
she ran out into the garden to weep uncontrablly and I had to choke the odd one back
myself. Incredibly sad, incredibly beautiful and the most raw, naked howl of pain ever
to be recorded......... The other one that always gets me  is "Atmosphere" by Joy
Division............just because.

 Can I also just say that B&S can't play scrabble for toffee!

Love all, Rory

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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Fri Apr  3 20:20:07 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:20:07 +0100
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From rchappe at xxx.fr  Fri Apr  3 21:09:47 1998
From: rchappe at xxx.fr (Raphaële Chappe)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 22:09:47 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Sad sad songs
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Hello friends,
This is my first post to the list and I thought I would thank all you
beautiful people for your nice attitude to music and life in general.
All your mails have proven to be an interesting read.
My personal list of sad songs:
- Hallelujah  Jeff Buckley
- any song by Portishead
- acoustic version of 'While my guitar gently weeps' George Harrison
- Street Spirit/No Surprises/Exit music Radiohead
- Things Behind the Sun  Nick Drake
- So Cold in Ireland  Cranberries
- October  U2
- Meat is Murder  The Smiths
- Caroline No   Beach Boys
- Faith to clay  Eric Matthews
- I Know/Eyesight to the blind   Placebo
- No one speaks  Geneva
- Across the universe  Beatles
- The Dancer  PJ Harvey
- Soothe  Smashing Pumpkins
- Dust in the wind  Kansas
- Stay on these roads  A-HA
- Babe I'm gonna leave you  Led Zep
- Dear Friend  Paul McCartney
- Trouble me  10 000 Maniacs
- Your body lies  Marion
- You're a big girl now  Bob Dylan
- Still Life  Suede
- At Seventeen  Janis Ian
- Leave REM

And I agree with the person who said that Black eyed dog by Nick Drake
is a scary song. Indeed I can't think of anything filled with as much
anguish and distress. I can feel the agony of death when I listen to it.
Bye Now 
Raphaele.
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From pasty at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 00:21:50 1998
From: pasty at xxx.com (JOSEPH FOSTER)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:21:50 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Bens littlest test
Message-ID: <35256F0E.5FFD@geocities.com>

The song that reveals how I feel about sex is ' whatever happened to
you', the theme tune to 'whatever happened to the likely lads'.

help

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From paiku at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 03:16:09 1998
From: paiku at xxx.com (sarah :o])
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 18:16:09 PST
Subject: Sinister: Can i make a movie about you?
Message-ID: <19980404021610.20960.qmail@hotmail.com>


There are loads of HMVs here in Canada.  I'm sorry, but i must ask who 
the canadians are on the list.  You all talk about picnics and get 
togethers and i just feel so lonely :( (you'll notice no sarcastic tears 
this time ;)  Speaking of lonely and weird, i was sitting in math class 
today, listening to IYFS and pretending to do work.  It was strange 
because i had my earphones up as high as they would go, but i couldn't 
drown out the rap and punk music that me classmates were so intent on 
filling the air with.  I felt like i was in a little bubble, everyone 
had their hats on sideways (if they had hats, which none of them did) 
and were sitting on their desks, then there was me with my lovely, if 
slightly busted discman and this nice, quiet B&S cd trying to battle 
with the noise outside of it.  I felt like they would notice at any 
minute that i was an imposter and make me leave, back to the land of my 
kind.  That's why I'm so jealous of jon g and Bethey, I want to be you, 
its so cute how you have eachother.  Because i picture the people around 
you to be quite like the ones around me, but that doesn't matter because 
you have another you. ;)  Can i make a movie about you?  you'll like it, 
i think.  I have it all thought out, well, the first minute or so.  The 
only problem is that i picture you as being each about 4 feet tall 
because everyone says "yes, they're 15, so young and tiny, sitting there 
cross-legged on the floor," but then i think hey, i'm 15 too and i'm not 
all that small so why must you be?
This is getting quite ridiculous, so i'll stop here.  But what do you 
think about my movie?  I'll send you a screen play soon.

You must think i'm strange, posting such nonsense when no one really 
knows who i am.  But...well there's not really a but, that was actually 
it.

sarah
You can't make friends without a -whole- lotta milk

>Me and bethey are getting on quite well - bethey was in HMV (a cd shop 
for
>those who don't know) the other day with her friend and bethey put her 
foot
>down and said "You *will* buy If You're Feeling Sinister *now*", 
instead of
>what she was going to buy (some 'indie-rock' nonsesne, I should 
expect).  We
>are planning to do the same on Saturday for another one of her friends.  
I
>think we're collectively up to about 9 conversions, which is quite 
good,
>given what we've got to work with.  


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From solanum at xxx.net  Sat Apr  4 08:19:00 1998
From: solanum at xxx.net (Dr E.J. Edwards)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 08:19:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Kiddies Progs...  Films...
Message-ID: <3525DEE4.50F3FD93@clara.net>

    Why has no-one mentioned PlayAway?? With the God like stature of
Brian Cant (now to be heard over dubbing a cartoon for Lee & Herring).
And don't forget that these were the days when Grange Hill was brilliant
and even Blue Peter was quite good...  and for those really young at
heart is it the round window, the square window....?

    Good to see Cinema Paradiso being mentioned as that is my FAVOURITE
film of all time...   but what about Mediteraneo, the Hairdressers
Husband (that'll make even non-soppy men get moist eyes), Betty Blue
(ignore the student hype, its a wonderful film) ... the list, obviously,
goes on but finally I'd like to mention Solaris - by far the greatest
SciFi film ever made (and in Communist USSR too!)

    Bye for Now, Ev (pretty new list member (but 'oldish' B&S fan)


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From jon.g at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 09:20:54 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 09:20:54 +0100
Subject: Sinister: intense meaningfulnesslessnesss (or sommat...)
Message-ID: <01bd5fa2$96653e00$LocalHost@dell>


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Prior <AlanPrior at xxx.com>
To: Sinister <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 03 April 1998 19:35
Subject: Sinister: intense meaningfulnesslessnesss (or sommat...)



>Sorry, got a wee bit carried away there, but it's still true.
>My appologies for what I'm about to mention next as it must be gettin' a
>bit boring for those outside UK or who are too old, but.....
>80's CTV!!! (yeah well, it's the only thing I know about. Honest.) 'Button
>Moon' and 'Finger Mouse'!!! How could I have forgotten these? Bah.
>It always amused me that you could send away for a fact-sheet on how to
>make a Fingermouse. Did some people not realise it was just a wee paper
>cone thing? I dunno. Kids, eh?

Oh!

Oh!

Oh!  I had forgotten all about Finger Mouse.  Oh! (jong basks in it's
memory)

I went to see Button Moon live, you know.  It was pretty scary, I must say.
It was all dark and there was nothing but these puppets made out of buckets
and milk-bottle-tops danscing around.  I was only three.

I think we're going to have to have our own separate list for kids tv
discussions.

I think I'll have to put something on my website as well.

jon g.
jon.g at btinternet.com - http://www.btinternet.com/~jon.g/




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From tangent at xxx.net  Sat Apr  4 09:37:58 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 09:37:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Kiddies Progs...  Films...
References: <3525DEE4.50F3FD93@clara.net>
Message-ID: <3525F166.3AFA82E9@lineone.net>

Dr E.J. Edwards wrote:

>     And don't forget that these were the days when Grange Hill was
> brilliant

not going to be retro... NOT going to be retro.... but, um, yeah, i
remember those days :-)  Grange Hill really lost it's appeal for me when
i went back into schools.  As a pupil and then dole boy, well, i could
dig it and i could ignore the fact that, hell, you know that school's
not really like that, i mean, not really... But as soon as i started
teaching it was like, oh fuck off, no WAY would a treacher be doing
that/saying that, and um, it was annoying i guess.  But i get annoyed
real easy as you all know.

> and for those really young at
> heart is it the round window, the square window....?

or the arched window.

> but what about Mediteraneo, the Hairdressers
> Husband (that'll make even non-soppy men get moist eyes),

both great films, agreed.  Wow, the Duke agrees with someone.

> Betty Blue
> (ignore the student hype, its a wonderful film) ...

it is.  yes.  the yellow car and the blue sky.  when the polaroid gets
pulled out at the end and you suddenly realise how all the colours in
the film have changed since the start.  startling.

makes me want to go the movies again... well it's the easter hols now so
i WILL go to the movies :-)

keep the faith,

the duke

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Sat Apr  4 10:01:55 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:01:55 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Bens littlest test
In-Reply-To: <35256F0E.5FFD@geocities.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980404100056.25235A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>



On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, JOSEPH FOSTER wrote:

> The song that reveals how I feel about sex is ' whatever happened to
> you', the theme tune to 'whatever happened to the likely lads'.
> 
> help

it might sound ridiculous, but that's one of my favourite pieces of music.
(and one of my favourite programmes ever). ah, that sense of loss..

help indeed.

espadrille

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Sat Apr  4 10:03:03 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:03:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Can i make a movie about you?
In-Reply-To: <19980404021610.20960.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980404100213.25235B-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

and another question: i don't suppose there's anyone from kyushu
university, japan on this list?

just a hope: i'll explain why later.

espadrille

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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 10:19:44 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 04:19:44 -0500
Subject: Sinister: i'm never lucid when i'm writing crap...
Message-ID: <199804040419_MC2-38F2-3083@compuserve.com>

Message text written by "Dr E.J. Edwards"
>and for those really young at
heart is it the round window, the square window....?<

Yay! Playschool! Sorry, but I found an old Betamax video with this on it
the other day (and He-Man, and Thundercats!) They were wearing eggbox lids
on their faces and pretending to be in "an octopus' garden, under the sea"
Oh dear. I'm too old to still love these programmes. Tragic.

lovely jon g wrote;
>I went to see Button Moon live, you know.

I went to see Glen Michael's Cavalcade live, y'know...was this programme 
broadcast in England? Probably not. I've still got his autograph somewhere,
I think...

Someone mentioned 'Gregory's Girl'... Omigod, I love this film! Yeah,
you're right, it is very B&S...I can just imagine sebastian and isobelle
lying on the grass, dancing and clinging on incase they fall of the world
as it's spinning... 

Yes, I know what you're thinking...I should get out more. But it's raining
outside and I'll get wet if I go out. Anyway, I love the sound of rain
beating off the windows <sigh>

love always,
Debbie xxx.
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From johnj at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 11:36:44 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Jackson)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:36:44 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Fillums
References: <3525DEE4.50F3FD93@clara.net>
Message-ID: <35260D3C.1EE5@seahouses.u-net.com>

Dr E.J. Edwards said something interesting:
>finally I'd like to mention Solaris - by far the greatest
> SciFi film ever made (and in Communist USSR too!)

Yes this is a powerful film, unsettling when his wife keeps killing
herself...what about the other Tarkovsky film, what was it called,
Stalker? That scared the willies out of me but I haven't seen it in
years.

Hooray!

JJ
xx

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From johnj at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 11:58:17 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Jackson)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:58:17 +0100
Subject: Sinister: more sleaze
References: <1XXSgHAgkKJ1kwDv@meadowell-srb.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <35261249.5F05@seahouses.u-net.com>

chief ralph wigham wrote:

> Yeah, yeah, so do I, so do I (well at least some of them).  Maybe I
> overreacted by a few per cent - Honey tells me Susannah is a nice person
> and a good laugh, which covers a multitude of sins.  Read in that light
> her message is a bit different.

Yes well you could apply this to anyone. Someone posts something
that you perceive to be really offensive but you know them so that's
ok. Someone else posts something you don't like but you don't know 
them so you send something to the list giving them a telling off.
Double standards maybe? 

JJ
xx

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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Sat Apr  4 12:23:42 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 12:23:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: new competition soon
Message-ID: <3526183E.F82CFC29@virgin.net>

but to do one i need a bit of help.
   the new compo will be an international colouring competition :)
   but i need something to put on the web that people can download,
print and colour. so if you're ok at drawing, could you try and pen a
simple black line picture of belle and sebastian in a park, or something
like that.
   if you send them to me at the address's below (snail mail for paper
and e-mail for .gif's) and i'll decide which one we'll use.
   bear in mind that all pictures have to be simple so that they can be
scanned well, look ok on the net and most importantly, that it prints
well on a black and white printer - plus people have to have space to
colour it in.
   if you're up for it and i receive some good pictures we'll start the
compo when i've got the drawing ready for the net.
   whoever sends in the picture that gets used will also receive a small
something for their efforts.
   thanks

   david kitchen
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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 12:32:19 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 06:32:19 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Grrrrrr!
Message-ID: <199804040632_MC2-38F2-347E@compuserve.com>

Message text written by John Jackson
>Yes well you could apply this to anyone. Someone posts something
that you perceive to be really offensive but you know them so that's
ok. Someone else posts something you don't like but you don't know 
them so you send something to the list giving them a telling off.
Double standards maybe? <

<sigh> let's everyone kiss and make up and stop making wee nasty remarks to
each other (not that i'm saying this <above> is nasty, but, well, er,
youknoworrameanlike?)

aaaaaargh, i dunno... it's hard to always write about B&S related things,
especially as they aren't up to much (publicly) at the moment. Anyway, I
like dirty jokes and stuff. It's good. Much better than that Catatonia list
anyway. I subscribed to lurk after Northy's comments and, well, it's pish,
really. They really DO only talk about band related stuff and it's really
boring and there's only about 3 e-mails a day. Still lurking, Susannah?
What do you think?

Ah, well...it's still raining lots but i think i'm gonna go in to town
anyway, but I'd better hurry cos there's only a bus every 2-3 hours from
where I live. Bah! 
I'm wearing a B&S t-shirt. Yay! Now, where's my brolly...

Anyhoo...
love and love and love and love...
Debbie xxx.

PS: Lauren Lavern was on 'Buzzcocks last night! Hooray! She's a fancy
piece...someone from B&S should go on. They could all go on and then none
of the other crap guests could get in...
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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 12:40:55 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 06:40:55 -0500
Subject: Sinister: i'll go and play with words and pictures (again!)
Message-ID: <199804040641_MC2-38F0-8C30@compuserve.com>

David & Katrina wrote;
> the new compo will be an international colouring competition :)

Wow! <big grin> what an ace idea...
i knew all those years of art would come in handy for something!!!
Just as well i bought a new pack of crayons last week...(but knowing my
crap luck, the nasty computer will refuse to print  of the picture, as
usual. Bah.)

hee hee hee something to do in the easter holidays (who needs to write
poems for english...not me guv, honest...)

love and scribbles,
Debbie xxx.
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From susannah at xxx.net  Sat Apr  4 13:56:52 1998
From: susannah at xxx.net (susannah)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 12:56:52 GMT
Subject: Sinister: don't read this if you've had your sense of humour surgically removed.
Message-ID: <980404125652.n0010777.tormentor@mail.clara.net>

Dear gentle readers. I mean you lot are worse than Mary Whitehouse.
 

Anyway, as you know, I *have* been lurking on the catatonia mailing list, and
apart from the following extract, it is generally boring and bland, with no hint
of anal sex whatsoever, which I know, that you all love, really, even though you
continue to deny it. 
So here it is, and its in welsh.

Dw i'n edrych am eiriau/lyrigs ar gyfer BELLE AND SEBASTIAN.

Dw i wedi colli clawr yr albym.  A fyddai rhywun yn digon garedig i
ddanfon y lyrigs imi?  Dw i ddim yn sleazy mailing list, ond dydw i
ddim yn elwa o'r peth.

Diolch ymlaen llaw am Stuart Murdoch is a nonce.

Gyda llaw, welodd unrhywun yma y Gig yng Nghaerdydd???  Gre+t. :)

Hwyl,


Basically, can anyone decipher this into what it really actually means?
And no making it up either.


susannah.

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From cja1000 at xxx.uk  Sat Apr  4 13:17:30 1998
From: cja1000 at xxx.uk (Chris)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:17:30 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Colouring
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980404130536.12883A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

Firstly, apologies for my previous post; I didn't mean to upset the list
karma. Must remember to think of Cliff next time...

Secondly....When I was little, my godparents used to give me 'anti
colouring books'. I think they were Canadian in origin (the books not my
godparents, who came from Wragby). The idea was that rather than
constraining young children's fertile imaginations by making them colour
within the lines, they presented you with a blankish sheet of paper and a
suggestion (like 'You have just eaten your dinner. What does it look like
now?' and the outline of a stomach) and you filled it in as you so
desired. This seems like a good idea; however, I was so cack handed with a
pencil (still am) that I used to prefer ordinary colouring books,
where there was a small chance of your picture looking like whatever it
was meant to represent. So, perhaps the next but one competition could be
along the lines of 'B&S are buying wallpaper . What kind of wallpaper does
each member buy?', accompanied by a little picture of each band member
in front of a piece of wall just waiting to be papered...

Meanwhile, I'm sharpening my coloured pencils.

C.

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From mctag at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 17:02:53 1998
From: mctag at xxx.com (Tag)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 16:02:53 GMT
Subject: Sinister: It only hurts when you touch it
Message-ID: <352a56df.5011555@email.mcmail.com>

Dear Gentle Sensitive Children,

Three things:

Firstly to Swedes, and other nationalities in the area, I am now not
DJing at K next Saturday, but at Folkshammet (I think).  Apparently
the neighbours complained about the noise.  Squares.  But you should
still come.

Secondly in response to Dickon's praise of "Gregory's Girl", well,
like any groovy fucker, it is my favourite film of all time, at least
on days when it isn't "Blue Velevet", "My Life as a dog" or "Time of
the Gypsies".  According to yesterday's Guardian Bill Forsyth is
making a sequel, set 20 years or so on.  I can't decide if this is a
good thing or not.  Especially since Clare Grogan has blown her
credibility entirely by shagging Ian Beale on "EastEnders".

Thirdly, did anyone hear the story about an Iraqi newspaper who ran a
story on Wednesday about the UN lifting all sanctions on Iraq?  Only
to plaster "APRIL FOOL" all over the Thursday issue.  Is that funny or
am I weird?

Love
Tag xx
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Sat Apr  4 15:08:08 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:08:08 +0100
Subject: Sinister: gregorys girl and albums you play at paaartys.
Message-ID: <khwsnOAI7jJ1Ewzf@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

Mr Peter Miller - the Mr Tim Hopkins luuver wrote dis...

<<< Am I the only one hoping that B&S rock out soon and provide us with
a crunching melodic rock anthem laden album?>>

NO!!!! You're NOT!

current threads - the sleaze quiz, i couldn't be arsed to do it, and
skimmed it. that means i am a completely not sleazy but very lazy arse.
yipee!

*giggles*
*a lot*

heehee! Debbie oh my loverly girl - i love you! ANOTHER MANICS FAN ON
SINISTER! yay de day! we can convert those Keiths of this world inot the
miriad Pop joys of The Holy Bible and the Intense Humming Of Evil...mmm,
or perhaps somethng else eh? :)
And buy the Flares, the bernad butler album will be cheaper layter.

A Mr Man who's name i have forgotten, sorry sorry! wrote..

<<The other one that always gets me  is "Atmosphere" by Joy
Division............just because.>>

that is perhps one of my favourite songs, but it doesn't make me cry, it
just makes me feel...oh so lovely and beautiful and away from
everything...

He also wrote about Gregorys Girl as *the* B&S movie. I feel pleased now
cos i *know* a film that the list is talking about! GG was spolied for a
lot of youth I think, by making you watch it at school, as it makes you
think "aw, the schools like it so it must be boring poo".

Its a shame, as I've never managed to see it the whole way through, just
the start whn they played football, and thats all they ever showed us.
we wer made to watch it when it was raining at break, and we had to stay
in the classrooms or something.....or the teacher just couldnt' be arsed
teaching....

And as I am now an ol fogey, SIXTEEN! jong wrote that he went to see
Button Moon live. So did my frieend Loosey at the charter theatre, and
its strange because we were discussing that last night, getting the
picture of how FUN FILLED it is round here?!

As nobody wanted to write about happy songs, can we write about albums
that are ALWAYS played at parties?

We must be a freakish group, because at EVERY party i've been to this
year, we have listened to OK Computer and Feeder. I can't put B&S on,
people would just laugh and maim the CD - then I would have to kill
them.

Who saw the A&J show with Louise`s guide to going to parties? hehehehehe
hehehehehhehheheehehee! and the internet thing was SO TRUE! anyways...

I put on Joy Division at someone house one night, and they slagged off
Love will tear us apart and Atmosphere and Isolation and I got SOOOO
annoyed and UPSET about it that i was really really surprised that I
cared so much about Joy Division.

I found two B&S 7" singles t'other day - and me mate saw a 12" of
3...6..9... but I resisted the urge to be completeist as they have no
extra songs, and i bought Delgados and Mansun for a friend instead.
AND....Star trekkin' by da Firm, which i found in da hospic shop for 25
pennies. ra!

if anybody would like to crucify me for not being intenseley intense
enoough, you'll have to catch me first! 

and after being insulted on the Manics list bout my signtaure I have
removed the address, i hope nothing else about my email details bothers
you. *spits*
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
calvin -"is it possible to refuse to inherit the world?"
hobbes -"i think if you're born its too late."
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Sat Apr  4 18:02:54 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:02:54 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: gregorys girl and albums you play at paaartys.
In-Reply-To: <khwsnOAI7jJ1Ewzf@elsato97.demon.co.uk>
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> 
> As nobody wanted to write about happy songs, can we write about albums
> that are ALWAYS played at parties?
> 


when i was in the sixth form, our 'smart set' always listened to the
pixies, mainly surfer rosa. and now look at us...

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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 18:50:38 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:50:38 -0500
Subject: Sinister: some of my best friends are 3 minutes long...
Message-ID: <199804041250_MC2-38FC-4441@compuserve.com>

Message text written by Sarah
>heehee! Debbie oh my loverly girl - i love you! ANOTHER MANICS FAN ON
SINISTER! yay de day! we can convert those Keiths of this world inot the
miriad Pop joys of The Holy Bible and the Intense Humming Of Evil...mmm,
or perhaps somethng else eh? :)
And buy the Flares, the bernad butler album will be cheaper layter.<

Aw, honey...i love you too. I think, though, that it would be impossible to
convert anyone at this late stage. Which is a shame, obviously...everyone i
know slags me off about MSP, philistines...heehee. 

parteeees; i always try and kill any BillyOceanDullerScene albums that
infiltrate ant* parties i go to. They must be stopped! Same goes for
Satan's Own Pub Band, Kula Shaker...
Blur's 'Song 2' always gets played at least 5 times a night, as does stuff
by 'The Bloodhound Gang' as they all find it very funnee...
I can never get manics, joy division, B&S, or suede played, though.
Actually, i can never get anything played cus as soon as anyone sees me
approaching the cd player they jump in front of it and stop me. Apparently
i have 'bad taste' in music. Bah. What would they know...
*yes, i know i've written 'ant' when it should have been 'any', but it made
me laugh when i saw what i'd done so i've left it.

Today's purchases; 'The Clash'- the clash, 'I'm Your Man'- Leonard Cohen'
(both vinyl, yum!), 'Exile in Guyville'- Liz Phair (playing just now),
'Psycocandy'- JAMC, 'Maria Callous'- Gretschen Hofner (cos it was only
1.99, so doesn't matter if it's rubbish...)
It's ok, though, cos they were all really cheap from Embra's Avalanche and
i was trying to cheer myself up cos today's been really rubbish (sorry
John! Again)

I forgot to but the flares, though. Bah. Maybe they'll have some on monday
in glasgow...

love and sorrow,
debbie xxx

"In sweet music is such art,
 Killing care and grief of heart"
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From Jeni421 at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 19:05:54 1998
From: Jeni421 at xxx.com (Jeni421)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:05:54 EST
Subject: Sinister: Fwd: Angels request
Message-ID: <aec336ad.35267684@aol.com>

Wow thanks for sending me such a happy story surely intended to brighten my
otherwise bad day.~Let's try not to depress the s#$t out of each other, ok?
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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 19:45:02 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:45:02 -0500
Subject: Sinister: gregory's girl and more of my ramblings
Message-ID: <199804041345_MC2-38F2-4A51@compuserve.com>

Yay! Just  found 'Gregory's Girl'  video, so i'm off to watch it again.
then maybe 'Dazed & Confused' again. so many ways of avoiding
revision/homework... maybe i'll clean the house later. or make up more
compilation tapes. or alphabetise my cds. or re-paint my nails cos i'd have
to leave them for a couple of hours at least to make sure they didn't get
marked... how come saturday nights always suicide television? Probably cos
every one else has a life and is out doing stufff. Ah, well, as Stuart M (i
think) said, "life's hard when you're a sixteen year old in the middle of
nowhere" Or words to that effect, anyway... (i'm not 16 anymore either, but
that's not the point...)

anyhoo, have a nice night...
love,
debbie (wishing she had some popcorn to go with the video...)
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From eakraft at xxx.edu  Sat Apr  4 19:57:28 1998
From: eakraft at xxx.edu (e. kraft)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 12:57:28 -0600
Subject: Sinister: i paid the price for gravity
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980404125728.00701ff0@students.wisc.edu>

this new thread about party music is timely, as i commandeered the stereo
at a shindig last night and blasted the spot with the glorious sounds of
'Lazy Line Painter Jane.' generally, it was well received, and bip-bopping
commenced. playing Belle & Sebastian in crowded places has become sort of
akin to a mating call for me (except without the sexual bit)--generally,
i've found that anyone who likes B&S is going to be a person worth knowing.
after LLPJ i threw in yo la tengo's latest album; this was somewhat less
well-received (the philistines!) and signalled the end of my brief stint as
party dj; a glorious stint indeed, while it lasted. 

speaking of YLT, i'm listening to the new Dump album (_a plea for
tenderness_) right now, which is fabulous. (Dump, in case you didn't know,
is a one-man band comprising james mcnew, the bassist from yo la tengo.) if
you like b&s and yo la tengo, chances are you'll like Dump--i think it's
the the area of overlap in the venn diagram that is my pop sensibility,
which i picture as one big circle representing B&S and another big'un for
YLT. 

oh, what am i on about today?   

.erik
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From Jeni421 at xxx.com  Sat Apr  4 19:01:22 1998
From: Jeni421 at xxx.com (Jeni421)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:01:22 EST
Subject: Fwd: Sinister: psych tests,sad songs, very little B+S content
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oops sorry Debbie I always forget to change the address back to Sinister.
Forgive me:-(
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From twinkle at xxx.net  Sun Apr  5 00:53:16 1998
From: twinkle at xxx.net (minigo)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:53:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Casting Call for Canadians
Message-ID: <199804042353.SAA03716@trapdoor.aracnet.net>

Right!

After a few weeks now of wondering how many of us there actually are, I
cannot ignore Sarah's plea in good conscience. ;-) Here's your official
chance to come out of the woodwork so that we can try to have a Sinister
picnic of our own here in Toronto! 

The plan: a day at Centre Island. Starting off with a refreshing ferry ride
from the docks, you will enjoy such sundries as the Log Ride, the Hedge Maze
and the Scrambler-- an indoor roundabout ride where they will play musical
requests, if you ask nicely. We'll end the day with ice cream at Greg's and
take a walk in Philosopher's Walk on the U of T campus... 

...Or something like that! I'm also partial to bowling, as I scheduled a
similar event in San Francisco for the indiepop list, which was quite a
success. There's nothing like scoring a few strikes to break the ice! :)

Genevieve, I know you're near Ottawa, but we could try to schedule it around
your upcoming trip to Toronto. All part of my promise to kidnap you away
from that burrito boy you mentioned on IRC, bien sur.

Please email me privately if you're interested, and I'll start trying to
work something out.

maple syrup kisses,
elisa xx




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From blink at xxx.net  Sun Apr  5 04:55:57 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:55:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: oh i want a personal masseur named Sven or Bjorn
Message-ID: <199804050355.WAA07268@Vector.inexpress.net>

Hello you cuties!!
ow ow  i just spent many hours doing odd dance now i am so sore,Sven!!!
Bjorrrn!!rub
 sad songs n movies blah blah blah:
Y'all are a teary bunch..is better than feelign nothing though...the last
time i can remember crying at a movie,REALLY crying I mean even the second
time was the Lion King,when Simba's father died..although i get misty eyed
in Fiddler ON THe Roof..never actually CRY though...oh i do recall crying
ONCE this year though,i waited till i was all alone and i jsut start cry and
cry and cry and i put on a cd..and at the time 'happy endings' by Pulp made
me cry even more...and that one line 'and do you thinks it's so easy to find
somebody who is just your kind?' it's odd,i guess cos i don't really cry
when i cry i want to feel even more sad..but then I heard myself crying and
i sounded so pathetic I started laughing! I get misty-eyed from ANGER
too...a lot of songs make me angry and yeah lets fight!! oh i love love the
wild ones by suede make me sad..with or without you by u2 (don't laugh!!)
Actually,I love almost all of Suede's videos..you know what else  i
like..The Never Ending Story,i have a craving to watch that movie....
actually soem of the saddest moments for me in song are not lyrics but when
(Brett in particular) goes oh woah ho ho and sounds like that..oh and
'sleeping pills' the lines where he sings 'you're a water sign i'm an air
sign gone gone to valium,can you get me some?' oh SIIGH...don't you just
want to be half asleep with Brett ANderson stroking your head when you hear
that?Many songs i don't feel exactly sadness but similar..i don't know the
word to describe 'disaffected youth' you know,some empty (except for one
mattress) London apartment with a boy in a rumpled shirt lying passed out on
the florr clutching an empty liquor bottle? Oh and 'sleep' and 'over our
bodies' by the longpigs nice n sad romantic...
Happy songs? Ummmm... 'wake up boo!' by the boo radleys and 'the chemistry
between us' by suede...whenever i hear that song i feel like swinging off a
vines with Brett Anderson into a lake...on grassy hills...

15-year olds...BAHHH! I see too many of them,I am not 28 but i would like to
be the leader of a bunch of 28 year old boys....ummm..why? Well i don't
really have a solid reason but wow can they kiss... Actually THAT would be a
challenge for me to convert my BOY friends (all my girl friends
automatically like B&S..so it's no challenge) but da boyz...i have this one
bud,whos openminded but he is too techno..but HE MIGHT..so i should try,and
what do i get whenI try to be nice? 'here listen to this!' 'uhh uhhh this
stinks,what's with this guys voice' So i slammed him into the locker..
Yay,I got Truckload of Trouble by Pastels and THis Is Hardcore by Pulp today...
OH and there are some Yo La Tengo fans here right? Well there is a great new
section at the record store of them...but which ones to get,eep!!

I saw 'wild things' today..blechhh...I can't stand Kevin Bacon!! It
should've been Kevin Spacey! (did you know he is dating Sheryl Crow...Grrrr!
Blechhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
Oh I am having a Brett Anderson moment,he is so lovely.I think he would make
a good teddy bear..why do they waste their time making Hanson barbies when
they could make Brett teddys..I had a teddy bear once,but I lost it in
Quebec City and I've never like another teddy bear since...

Oh I had a list member dream... (just their name cos I don't know what he
looks like) anyways,this one friend of mine,she was telling me about this
wild and wonderful one night stand she had in London "oh yeah we went out
and got everthign pierced and then spent the night together" me:"oh who was
this?" her:"his name was tag"
weird baby,i say weird....

smoooch,
genevieve ;)

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From blink at xxx.net  Sun Apr  5 04:57:54 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:57:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: ym-like (aka quite stupid) so just delete if you like.
Message-ID: <199804050357.WAA07301@Vector.inexpress.net>

Hi!
(this is my clever ploy to divide my emails into 2..so i can blah blah blah
longer yet it is cut up,oh i am a tricky one me!)

>Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:51:31 +0000 (GMT)
>From: Rod Begbie <rod at xxx.com>
>Subject: Re: Sinister: Fun for the Family!

>While you may deride people who think that "Angels" is a sensitive song,
>while you prefer "We Rule The School", that is in no way a sign of
>shallowness on their part.  The fact remains that there is a beautiful
>piece of music that makes them feel all snuggly inside.  And that will
>affect them for the rest of their lives.

see..i just think this music is so bland so stinky i cannot help but not
like it...but if it's a gentle soul i won't make fun of them,because many
people feel the same way about the music i listen to to their classical
music...but see i love classical music and i love my present music where as
i do NOT love 'girl,i don't care waht you say' by backstreet boys...but it's
their musical choice...not everyone understand the music i listen to and
that's just fine,the only thing i don't like is when some of these aging
rock stars go 'oh when so and so dies is the day music died' no it's NOT!!!
Like,it's been what...238 years and Bach is still played everywhere,I don't
think buddy holly will be played 238 years from now(no offence i am meaning!)
Anyways....Jon and Bethey,are you guys going out or are you friends? You're
just so wonderfulyl Belle and Sebastianed...oh it would be nice if one of my
guyfriend like Belle and Sebastian (well actually the ultimate boy for me
DOES like them,but he is the untouchable with the lovely arms...i saw the
cute record store boys arms...ohhh)
I  am still waiting for that lovly scenario "ladies and gentlemen we have a
new boy in our class today,all the way from England!" "oh is this seat
taken" "not if YOU'RE gonna sit there..rrrroww!" "oh my you like Belle and
Sebastian" eyes lock in passionate stare "like? I lovvvve honey,i lovvvve"
umm yeah I'll shut up now... (welll i will in just a wee bit)
What's with this teenspeak? Hmmmm?I for one do not go 'ohmigod he's a total
Baldwin!' and is this universal? Do girls in Scotland go 'woahhhh,a total
Murdoch mmm!mmm!'

Okay..i'm gonna stop now,i'm going to sleep then i'm gonna finishh email
cause i haven't been bale to get to the computer for a long time...but
here's a few excerpts from a fake YM  teen girl quiz..you know Ym don't
you..... "your musical personality"
>>#1
>>For breakfest you eat?
>>a)jelly beans,chocolate milk,easter bunnies,lollipops,kandy.
>>b)cigarettes and vodka
>>c)french vanilla cafe and fresh fruit
>>d)breakfast? I don't eat it i puke it up.
>>
>>#4
>>If you could be a team captain or organize a sporting event you would:
>>a)you go girl!you'd organize a hopscotch tournament and soem hand-clapping.
>>b)a game of blackjack,that's as sporty as I get
>>c)You'd gather all your friends and roll down grassy knolls while watching
the sunset
>>d)If I was a fucking captain I'd make all those fuckers whip
themselves.Penance!Suffering! Death!
>>#7
>>Your dream date with your dream BF would be...
>>a)Going to see Starship Troopers with your way cutie skater BF then
hanging out at the roller skate park and sharing a lollipop.
>>b)Going to the hip underground club on ecstasy with my sexy,hip
androgynous boyfriend.
>>c)Going on a picnic with your sweet and gentle (and possibly gay?)
boyfriend by a lake then going swimming during the sunset and watching the
fluffy bunnies go by.
>>d)First my boyfriend would let me cut him up with kitchen knives then we'd
ponder life existence and how there is no god,in the parking lot.
>>#8
>>Uh-oh girlfriend,you gotta be in the know to be safe.Your views on sex?
>>a)Ah!Um...I don't know...ummmm...me and my boyfriend would talk about it
first...
>>b)I am THE complete sexual being.
>>c)Well you see,we love each other very much.We shall lay on the grassy
fields and watch the sunset.
>>d)Please.Nature's Lukewarm Pleasure?Me and my boyfriend will paint each
other's naked bodies and scratch ourselves with rusty nails.More satisfying.
>>#10
>>Mmmm,is that you,girlfriend sporting that scent? Your choice of perfume is:
>>a)Kickin' Kiwi scented body glitter.
>>b)Chanel no.5
>>c)oh,you know,the beautiful perfume of life and pop.Or aromatherapy
candles from The Body Shop.
>>c)I wear the stench of the civilisation.
>>#12
>>Rise and Shine,girlfriend!Your make-up routine is...
>>a)Sparkles and sparkles.Glossy lipgloss,hairclips.
>>b)However long it takes ot get the perfect seductress red lips.Elegantly
liquid lined eyes.Cheekbones you could open letters with.Powdered face.
>>c)Make-up? Well I wear moisturiser and cherry chapstick.Does that
count?I'd rather be watching the sunrise,but my skin is so soft I don't need it.
>>d)Various scars at various body parts.I can't blink with all this
mascara.Prophecies scrawled on my arm and forehead to show you all,you
apathetic morons.
>>#13
Ooh,a flash of genius girlfriend? Lets take a look at that diary..it reads..
>>a)We're gonna eat kandy cos we know what's with you.Oh the corrupt minds
of the adults,yeah yeah we know what's going on.
>>b)Smoke a fag and we walk the long way to the disco,and we pass all the
plastic people.The money is laughing,oh it's so plastic.Yeah,all the dirty
lovers and white lines,poetry of my generation.So plastic,so plastic plastic.
>>c)Mary-Jo stretched out into the sunshine today.She meowed at the kittens
and the kittens meowed back.She thought about the kids at school but it made
her feel more alone so she didn't think about them anymore.She felt the
sunbeam and she felt more alive.
>>d)Oh the blood falls but I live again.And why do I live? I should be
dead,but I already am.I have dead for ages in the skeletal world.I will fall
down.Fall fall fall down down down.
>>Mostly c's? Well girlfriend,you and your husband (probably named Stuart)
will gently save the world whilst writing poems about the working class kids
of Scotland and heroines,drinking wine while watching the sunset and
befriending the dolphins.You're looking sharp sporting those flares! You've
got a brilliant mind so don't let 'em get you down,run around and pretend
you're making music videos...The future's so bright for you,girlfriend!

yawn!give us a hug..cos i'm so tired and and i been talking nonsense.
xxxGenevieve

p.s.
Oh beautiful ink polaroids from the meetings in England! SO funny and
sweet..I love this list!

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From ahalter at xxx.edu  Sun Apr  5 07:32:59 1998
From: ahalter at xxx.edu (ahalter)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:32:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: car songs
Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.94.980404221733.6153A-100000@aludra.usc.edu>

this is a happy song that i know = precision auto by superchunk...
the version that is on incidental music though because it has the part
that goes oooooooooooo... and my friend laura and i always sing it in the
car and laugh at how silly we sound when we say 'ooo ooo donot pass me ooo
ooo just to slow down!' 
i also like to sing emo songs in the car because they are generally bands
with endearingly bad/offkey boy singers and its fun to sing loud and
offkey with them and in the car noone else will make fun of you except
your friends if they donot like to listen to emo... but it is your car so
there is nothing they can do...
other car songs are = 
nous ne sommes pas des anges by heavenly 
dancing mood by slipstream
together forever in love and im still crying by go sailor
the whole album trompe le monde by the pixies
and anything with bjork singing because i at least can only do those yowls
and yelps in the loud car volume and its more fun like that anyway...
also mix tapes are better for cars than albums perse... thats what i
think!

im a free wheeling bachelorette once again!
happy dreams sinisterians...
yours
allison


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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Sun Apr  5 11:35:31 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:35:31 -0400
Subject: Sinister: lalala..more irrelevence
Message-ID: <199804050635_MC2-38FC-67E6@compuserve.com>

hehehe...geneveives bit of quiz made me laugh..., obviously if the answers
were translated into bands, you would have these answers;

a) spice girls (or maybe bis...)
b) suede
c) (well this has already been done) B&S
d) manic street preachers
gawd, i'm bored...
this would leave me with big problems as i am completely in love with the
last 3 bands. oh dear.

it was quite scary and lonely being in the house on my own last night with
the rain battering off the windows and just me and my cat (who was going
mad) there. why did all my friends have to go on holiday/ live too far
away? wish i could drive...

ah, well...ooh, just remembered one of my favourite ctv programmes (don't
get mad anyone for me mentioning these again...); Wacky Races! With
Penelope Pitstop and Dick Dasterdly & Mutley (hehehe; sorry, can't do his
laugh very well).
That was such a cool cartoon...oh, and that one with the evil tv in the
forest(?)...and the magic roundabout!!!!! Sorry, getting carried away...but
is it true john clease is making a film version of Mr Benn? Just wondered.
King Rolo was good too.
Sorry. Again. I'll stop now. Promise.

Totally irrelevent question here (for a change), but who was that designer
guy, from around the time of William Morris, who spelt his name all in
lower-case letters, cos he 'didn't believe in capital letters'....i think
this is cool (but has nothing to do with B&S so i'll shut up now)

love and nonsense,
debbie xxx.
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From vegasbaby at xxx.com  Sun Apr  5 13:31:10 1998
From: vegasbaby at xxx.com (Courtney Knopf)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 05:31:10 PDT
Subject: Sinister: now I'm getting all weepy
Message-ID: <19980405123112.8581.qmail@hotmail.com>

I like the idea of a colouring contest. I was always really good at 
staying in the lines. Actually I won a colouring contest when i was in 
4th grade. I believe the prize was a gift certificate of some sort.

Gee..and since I know you cared SO much about that.

i just must chip in my thoughts about sad songs (though I know that 
particular topic is just about dead..i'm a bit late to the party, so 
please excuse me). 
So here are some songs that make me cry:

The two songs that made me cry most recently (yesterday, in fact):
Ani DiFranco - Dilate, Untouchable Face
Indigo Swing - She Dreams of Me

the ones that make me cry whenever:
The Beatles - In My Life, Golden Slumbers
Tony Bennett - The Way You Look Tonight
Cake - Stickshifts and Safety Belts 
Harry Connick Jr. - Where or When
Billie Holiday - You Better Go Now
Morphine - In Spite of Me, Cure for Pain
Ben Folds Five - Selfless, Cold and Composed, Smoke, Evaporated
Simon and Garfunkel - America
R.E.M. - Nightswimming
Jeremy Enigk - Explain
Crowded House - Together Alone
B&S - Fox In the Snow
Leonard Cohen - Suzanne, So Long Marianne
Jeff Buckley - Halleluja
Sarah Mclachlan - Good Enough, Hold On, Mary
Sting - My One and Only Love, Someone to Watch Over Me

So i suppose that's enough of that weepy stuff.

Now for songs that make me bounce around the room with unabashed 
excitement and happiness:-O!!!!

They Might Be Giants - Birdhouse In Your Soul
Ben Folds Five - Kate, Philosophy, She Don't Use Jelly
Moxy Fruvous - My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors
Weezer - Susanne, The Good Life
Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong - I'm Putting All My Eggs in One 
Basket
Louis Prima - Just a Gigolo/I Ain't Got Nobody
Sarah Vaughan - One Mint Julep
B&S - Seeing Other People, The State I Am In
Squirrel Nut Zippers - Anything But Love, Pallin' With Al
Legendary Jim Ruiz Group - Glad They're Gone, Urban Gentleman
Trip Shakespeare - Down My Block
Zumpano - I Dig You
Cake - Daria
Pink Martini - Brazil

Alrighty then...

Since we were talking about the pretentious arthouse cinema (wink wink, 
nudge nudge) anyway..I can't believe that no one has mentioned Contempt! 
Which I thought was brilliant. And that's IN SPITE OF the fact that I 
have to write a paper on it.
Well, maybe it HAS been mentioned, I just haven't been reading the 
digests very carefully. bad courtney! bad!

I finally visited Rod's page. I was endlessly amused and I cannot wait 
for his review of the Spice Girls concert. baited breath, I tell you;)

Well i think I've been on this list for about a month now and I finally 
feel like I'm starting to know who some of you are. I wish I was as 
enlightenend and cute as jon g. and bethey when i was 15. but that was 
during the heyday of grunge..and I was clad in flannel and doc martens. 
Now I am clad in velvet and high heels. my how things change, eh?


My dear Lord, i just realized how LONG this post is.. I feel so 
excessive. Whatever.

~Courtney
The Sultraness of Swing
"I didn't get a cat."

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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Sun Apr  5 14:57:49 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:57:49 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Klassy with a Kapital K
Message-ID: <199804050958_MC2-3904-D7FE@compuserve.com>

okay, this has nothing to do with b&s or much else that's been mentioned
recently, but i'm trying to avoid essay writing so...

did anyone see TMWRNJ ("TMWRNJ!!!" repeat until not funny) today. The fake
Rod Hull from Fist of Fun was on!!! Yay! "Jelly!" Omigod, thats another tv
show i forgot about, The Pink Windmill! Sorry, i said i'd stop and i will.
NOW. was v. good though...(hee hee) I love Lee & Herring, they're fancy.
Stuart Lee ran away from my dad at edinburgh festival one year cos he was
scared of him...but my dad didn't know who he was, anyway.

i visited everyones websites last night...i think jong & bethey's is sooo
cool. "funky with a y", as they say...and sarah has manics bits! hooray.
and a lovely piccy. couldn't be bothered going any further than the opening
page of rod's. no real reason, just wanted to go back to jon's one i think.
so can't say anything about that.

i think everyone should go out and buy pulp's new album because it is
sooooo good. v sexy, some of it. and cheered me up last night especially
when singing along at the top off my voice cos no one was there to hear so
i had no fear. i went off jarv for a while cos i thought he seemed a bit up
himself after he got all famous an' all...but i'm back 'on' him now, so to
speak as the new stuff is ace. i went off the last album for a bit,
'specially as people kept singing bits out of 'Disco 2000' at me. v
annoying. hate that stupid song now :-) not my fault my name is deborah and
my house happens to be very small with woodchip on the wall...i blame the
parents, meself.

okay, i think that's about enough crap from me just now, save for 2
(rubbish) jokes;

  Q: What do you call a Star Wars character you can keep around the house?
  A: Boba Pett.

 Q: What do you call a Star Wars character who deals in lavatory fittings?
 A: Bath Trader.

 Never underestimate the power of the Dark Side...It's pretty bloody
powerful.

love,
debbie xxx.
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From aaedward at xxx.edu  Sun Apr  5 16:55:26 1998
From: aaedward at xxx.edu (angela edwards)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 10:55:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: wallpaper
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980405104310.29595A-100000@topaz.iupui.edu>


<<was meant to represent. So, perhaps the next but one competition could
be along the lines of 'B&S are buying wallpaper . What kind of wallpaper
does each member buy?', accompanied by a little picture of each band
member in front of a piece of wall just waiting to be papered...>>

				   W O W .

I've never heard of this sort of coloring book, but it sounds neat - - and
the idea C. (?) came up with is just !!!! I've fallen in love with it!

Even better is (since the group doesn't like to be photographed (a sad
notion to an aspiring photographer) is to have one design the wallpaper,
actually print up the design on a huge strip of paper and wallpaper each
corresponding member to a strech of wall. 

Seeing how this fanciful idea is unlikely to occur, I just thought I'd
send it anyway, just to induct myself into the group ... if I may. 

And with that, I'm off to begin a lovely sunday, as yours should be also - 


 			 a singular product of design,
			     . . . angela . . .

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From blink at xxx.net  Sun Apr  5 18:02:33 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:02:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: cos you make me so very happy
Message-ID: <199804051702.NAA11104@Vector.inexpress.net>

A beautiful sunny day and I've got no homework!! Well..I have to work on ym
claymation Belle n Sebby project but that's fun...I've finished Belle,she
turned out differently..I thought she would be a sort of gentle angelic
small girl but instead she has bright yellow flares big blue platforms and a
purple crop top big eyes and swingy hair...she's more of a hipster! Now I'm
working on Sebastian,I am worried about soemthing..I didn't think ot put
wire in the figures,cos it makes them move better and now Belle...well..her
arms falls off!I am trying to think if I should expand the idea..when Belle
and Sebastian finally meet in their embrace,should I leave it at that...? I
don't know,so much so much..
oh and
Whoever recommened Griffin and Sabine books...THANK YOU DOLLFACE! THose
books are so lovely...a lot of the books you guys recommened I got 'there
are no holdings at this library' but I was so happy to find all 3 of the
Griffin & Sabine...I was just about to go to sleep at around mindnight
yesterdya and I'm like 'oh i'll take a quik peak' I read all three! ANd I'm
gonna read them over again today...oh so lovely,I imagine if Sebastian wrote
letters to Belle it would be soemthing like that.....see a long line of
matched named...Belle And Sebastian,Griffin and Sabine,Herman and
Pauline,Genevieve and ***** oh why won't he come to his senses...!

Did you know that HMV stands for His Master's Voice? And did you know that
if you don't know that,they won't hire you!
 

>> As nobody wanted to write about happy songs, can we write about albums
>> that are ALWAYS played at parties?
>> 
>
>
>when i was in the sixth form, our 'smart set' always listened to the
>pixies, mainly surfer rosa. and now look at us...
>
>espadrille> 

Hmmmm well me and my first real boyfriend in grade 5 didn't listen to the
music as the others kids,we rode our bikes around the lake and listened to
Lenny Kravitz and U2 and INXS! All the kids listened to MC Hammer I
think...and at parties we danced to the red hot chili peppers...
but currently....they always play marylin manson,nin,prodigy,blur...I
usually don't bring my cds cos last time my beautiful double cd edition of
Coming Up got busted....but last time i snuck on 'i'm so excited' by the
pointer sisters that fixed em! One day I'll bring my B&S..but that's only
with that crowd,when i'm with the regular girls it's a britpop madness.But I
still put on Al Green...

>Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:05:54 EST
>From: Jeni421 <Jeni421 at xxx.com>
>Subject: Re: Sinister: Fwd: Angels request
>
>Wow thanks for sending me such a happy story surely intended to brighten my
>otherwise bad day.~Let's try not to depress the s#$t out of each other, ok?
i know! Sometimes I get these AWFUL AWFUl chain letters that are like 
'if you don't send this to 257 people your liver will fall out you'll
shrivel up and die and your cats will become subjects of satan,but if you do
send this your kewl crush will ask you out!'


>Genevieve, I know you're near Ottawa, but we could try to schedule it around
>your upcoming trip to Toronto. All part of my promise to kidnap you away
>from that burrito boy you mentioned on IRC, bien sur.
>
>Please email me privately if you're interested, and I'll start trying to
>work something out.
>
>maple syrup kisses,

Oh yes please please excellent idea come kidnap me away and let me live with
you! I don't know how it's gonna work cos..we're only gonna be there for 2
days I think...we're gonna see 'Rent' and we take a tour of the CBC
studios...that I will skip...the air farce stinks now 'hi i'm mike from
kenmore' YEAH IT'S OLD!But...hey...like,I don't need sleep I can leave the
hotel room..if sucrion cup boy doesn't get me first! Aaaaa! Oh...another
thing..i'm also going down in late June early July (I hope...) and htis time
jsut me and a friend.
I'll mail yall later but i hae to get off cos i'm going to grannies to
hopefully pick up what will be one of the most influential mails of my life!

Kisses!
Genevieve :) :) :)

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From MRissb7989 at xxx.com  Sun Apr  5 19:14:18 1998
From: MRissb7989 at xxx.com (MRissb7989)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:14:18 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Blowing my own trumpet
Message-ID: <3fc21e1c.3527c9fc@aol.com>

Genevieive wrote:

>Whoever recommened Griffin and Sabine books...THANK YOU DOLLFACE! THose
>books are so lovely...a lot of the books you guys recommened I got 'there
>are no holdings at this library' but I was so happy to find all 3 of the
>Griffin & Sabine...I was just about to go to sleep at around mindnight
>yesterdya and I'm like 'oh i'll take a quik peak' I read all three! ANd I'm
>gonna read them over again today...oh so lovely,I imagine if Sebastian wrote
>letters to Belle it would be soemthing like that.....see a long line of
>matched named...Belle And Sebastian,Griffin and Sabine,Herman and
>Pauline,Genevieve and ***** oh why won't he come to his senses...!

It was me! !!!! I recommended them, as I still do because they are just
wunnerful, even if I don't understand the ending....(Help anybody?!)

Sorry, but it was just nice to be called Dollface (and not Complete Bastard
for a change), and I don't post very often and when I do they tend to be
ignored so twas nice to know that something I mentioned had an effect on
somebody.  Likewise, I bought my first Nick Drake album last week after seeing
so may recommendations on here, and it is just fab.  Fab I tell you.  As is
the new Bernard Butler album.  

Bye for now!

Risso the Dollface

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Sun Apr  5 20:42:43 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:42:43 +0100
Subject: Sinister: cheerleaders - apply now!
Message-ID: <lPuMMNAz69J1Ewx3@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

Oh you luuveryly sinisterines!

ok, new plan. as the Sinisterine girl group never quite got off the
ground, i have a new plan. The Sinisterine CHEERLEADERS! YEAH! we can
dance about looking like arses with those dft pompoms whenever theres a
fight between da duke and someone who doesn't like the Lovin' Spoonful,
or JJ and whoevers up fer it man, and Honey and blatant list abusers!

we can sing chants like this:

ra ra ree, kick em in the knee, ra ra rass, kick em in the...other knee! 

which i think is one of the funniest things that has made me laugh since
doh, i dunno, another funny thing! 

SO WHO'S GOING TO JOIN!!!!!! join up now!

so, the B&S picnic, i'll bring a pack of cards! and some fizzy pop, and
pick'n'mix bags of fun stuff from paper shops and Woolies. i'm very
bored. can you tell?

Know what I hate? People going on about films that I don't know, and
can't even rent as our video shop is the Spar, and all my money goes on
extortionate bus fare prices. Last film i saw was.....erm....OK, well i
*taped* taxi Driver last night except for the 1st half hour where i
forgot it was on..... my gosh i need a life.

people moan about hedonistic lifestyles, well not oop north when yo're
16 in the middle of nowhere, oh at times like that i luurve Stuart M...
even though he's an old fart who AINT 16.... heehee! no offence, i'm
sure he's not being sarky...

I read Genieves quiz - its cool!
#1) depends on mood. either puking or jelly beans. (even though i can't
be arsed to eat breakfast in teh mornings. eat, or stay in bed. BED!)

#4) depends. either whipping, or hopscotch, depending on happiness.

#7) the knifes bit DOES actually descrobe one of my friends
relationships with his ADORABLE girlfriend, who likes to burn him and
cut him.... i needn't answer this as nobody wants me anyway...

#8) same as above *sighs*

#9) the stench of civilisation. defintly.

#10) too much mascara and scars, yup. but no writing, that is SOO
cliched..., yeah, 4REAL man. lets carve Richey into our heads as well...
sarcasm, sorry.

#13) dependin on modd, death, kittens, fags or kandy!

what can i say, i am schizo.  GENIVEVE! i want the whole thing! where
did you get that thing!

i am happier! sunshine! even though its 9.43 as i write! i must do what
it says below!
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
RA RA REE KICK EM IN THE KNEE RA RA RASS KICK EM IN THE .... OTHER KNEE....
                         http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk

                
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From vanessa.figueras at xxx.se  Sun Apr  5 22:49:14 1998
From: vanessa.figueras at xxx.se (Vanessa Figueras)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 23:49:14 +0200
Subject: Sinister: cheerleaders - apply now!
References: <lPuMMNAz69J1Ewx3@elsato97.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3527FC5A.29CBB312@swipnet.se>

Yes togheter we're strong!!!!!!!!
Always, I promise. Erm I feel a bit left out kinda like the new kid. Does that
pass?
I never have anything clever to say. Am I the only one who want's to marry
someone like Homer Simpson...
Are all of you from Canada? It sure seems like it, not that there's anything
wrong with Canada...
Does anyone want to go to Roskilde and see Morrissey this summer? Anyone???
Bye One of the camping sisters..

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From blink at xxx.net  Mon Apr  6 01:14:28 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:14:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: so i'm gonna kiss you ALL on the cheek before i go to school!!!
Message-ID: <199804060014.UAA14924@Vector.inexpress.net>

Dear lovely lovely people,
first off:
Thankyou thank you oh thankyou oh how can I ever thank you enough Matthew!!
Yes...I went acorss the river and I am now listening to Tigermilk!!
Aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..ok forgive me,but you must remember this like this
whole big TREASURE for me and I feel like I'm going back in time,I only
listened to a bit of the demos...I want to just take in all of Tigermilk
first...i'm so excited it's silly! I was dancing all round my room to You're
Just A Baby
oh I adore Stuart Murdoch!!!
 I went acorss the river sticking my head out of Big Blue Louie's window
(the truck) singing Lazy Line Painter Jane...and then returning listeing to
beautiful Expectations but it was new territory cos i didn't already know
the words...see new treasure!!! NEw treasure!!The guitar is more harp like
in that version of state i am in,yes? Jabbed with fork? Were B&S  beat up in
school? 
SPeaking of school ALSO in the mail the school sent a letter to my father
giving me demerit points... 'behaviour problem' I don't have an attitude
problem!Because i'm so-called 'late' and don't do my homework and use
un-called for language..BAHHH! I jsut hate that teacher...and she can't do
anything an no-one can complain cos I went from a 55% in math to an 83%...oh
joy joy joyjoyjoy!!
ok..gotta focus..Sarah..ummm *blushes* that ym like quiz is my own...i
didn't inculde it all cos it's quite stupid isn't it? See Physical Science
is so boring and i don't wnat to pay attention and i don't need to and so i
make little presents for my friends instead during that class...drawing
pictures of pop stars..making them quiz to do...liven up their bore experience!

Risso:You are a dollface!Why would someone call you a bastard?No! I love
those books....well I don't know exactly what the ending is,i suppose the
author wants the element of mystery that started off the whole thing,but
this is my personal opinion: Sabine is more like an angelic being,but that
angel needed somebody...and Griffin belonged to her and she belonged to
Griffin...you notice in the last postcard it is signed 'Sabine M Strohem'
She is keeping her maiden name but I believe that M stands for
Moss...Griffins last name,and they are married...an angelic couple finally
together and now they are helping others...(you'll notice when she wrote she
used the plural 'we think' instead of 'I') but I could be completely off you
know? I guess it's whatever opinion!

OK..oh I could be dreaming!!! Focus..focus...I have a point and i wanna get
down...see I can't get the offical site on this computer and I lost the
address to send to...cos I have the money for my t-shirt! (oh boy is the
canadian dollar low compared ot pound!)I was gonna send that in the mail
with that pence,but then i think the coin would weigh it down or soemthing
so i have a master plan to give the money to my mother and she'll write me
out the cheque..and that's all I gotta do right?
Sooo..I need 1,who to make the cheque out to and 2,address where to actually
send it! Thankyou!!

oh scottish accents are so lovely...and it's 8:00 and it's still light out! Wow!
There was this beginning to one demo and it made me laugh and i had ot
rewind..it wasn;t even funny i was just 'ohmigod,Stuarts voice is os
clear,it's like they here' And is it just Stevie who sings witht he deep
voice? It's not Stuart David is it?
woah,i gotta get up and run around in circles!!
xoxoxo
Genevieve! :)

kiss me kiss me oh i can't wait till you kiss me

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From Runegg at xxx.com  Mon Apr  6 02:37:30 1998
From: Runegg at xxx.com (Runegg)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:37:30 EDT
Subject: Sinister: walruses? walri? a b&s dream at last
Message-ID: <2bd7852f.352831dc@aol.com>

hi hi,

At last a B&S dream!  Last weekend I went to the Coney Island aquarium, last
stop on the subway, and among other beautiful creatures (such as penguins--so
graceful! uh.... so majestic!), there was a walrus which stuck its head out of
the water, looked me in the eye, and whistled a long low note.  I started
cheering and she kept going, her big bulldog face concentrated on holding the
note.  This was not the dream, this actually happened, but then it was all
recycled--i dreamt i'd gone to glasgow with my scottish friend to make a
movie, and the whole time i had this desperate feeling that i had to go to a
b&s concert before i missed it, and then i was told they weren't in town, and
i thought the world would end, so my friend gave me an extra copy of
"3...6...9 seconds" and there was a girl inside wandering across the lyric
sheet----somewhere on all that white space between the words---,i went in----i
don't remember her name or what she looked like, all i remember is that the
whole scottish countryside disappeared and became white, we were somewhere on
the words, kisses so deep they made me want to cry------then as i started to
wake up and i remembered i was in new york, i thought it was snowing outside
my window, piles and piles of snow on the restaurant garden outside my window,
and on the trash heap next to that, and snow all over the fire escapes of new
york, and snow on the walrus tank at coney island------------and then i
realized that i was still dreaming, and i woke up and looked out the window
for real and it wasn't snowing at all.  i was disappointed, but it was okay,
because i've been walking around all day in a sweet fog.

Meanwhile, i ran into a lass i went iceskating with back in october, she'd
dissed me big time before we got to know each other at all; i was somewhat
hurt, and now months later i run into her and she tells me the reason she ran
away from me is because she liked me too much.  ?!?!?!?!?!?!/%*%*?!!!  am i
supposed to believe this shit?  (can we take a vote on this?)  as a way of
proving she wasn't lying, and to show how much her head is scxrewed on
backwards, she told me she slept with her stalker.  that's right, folks: a guy
had been following her for weeks, obsessive and horrible... and she ends up
sleeping with him.  "i could sleep with him because i hated him," she told me.
"you scare me because i like you."  i guess it's a good thing i never did more
than kiss her..... why are people so fucked up?  o god, get me back to that
lyric-sheet dream.....

snowy walruses (walri?)
ari
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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Mon Apr  6 06:28:54 1998
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:28:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: yes, i am bored
Message-ID: <v01510106b14d9eb46912@[128.122.175.112]>

this is one of those replies to every single thing anyone has mentioned in
the last year posts, so have fun.  um, first off i bought gregory's girl
yesterday and saw it for the first time.  i liked it, and it was cute,
though i would hesitate to call it the best movie in the universe.  i think
it's one of those movies that get's better the more you see it, like
heathers.  i really liked the dancing on the hillside part.

um, i liked the griffin and sabine books.  but at the ending, it's
ambiguous.  i think they found a place that didn't really exist, a sort of
neutral ground between time and space and met there.  i like thinking that
they just stayed together, in a place away from normal society.  another
good book is the venetian's wife by bantock.  i also read the egyptian
jukebox, but it's kind of boring.  oh well.

i got chickfactor yesterday, and the interviews with isobel and sarah are
wonderful.  i also really liked the neil hannon interview.  so it gets the
megan lehar seal of approval (and we're talking serious prestige here).

um, that's all i can think of.  ok.

xox
megan

oh, the pulp album is wonderful!  don't listen to what the poopieheads
said, i think it may end up being my favorite!

mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu

visit the magnetic fields web page at:
http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/


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From aadam at xxx.com  Mon Apr  6 07:11:28 1998
From: aadam at xxx.com (Aadaminational Jacobsination)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 01:11:28 -0500
Subject: Sinister: cheerleaders - apply now!
References: <lPuMMNAz69J1Ewx3@elsato97.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3528720E.44AF@interaccess.com>

Reek'em rick'em rack'up ruck'em
Get that ball and really fight!

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From keith at xxx.uk  Mon Apr  6 09:30:39 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:30:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Dreadlock Holiday
Message-ID: <01bd6136$47a006c0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

> Tag (Hi Tag!) has instigated a constant stream of movie related postings
and I'm
>shocked and surprised that no-one has mentioned "Gregory's Girl,"

Indeed Gregory's girl is one of the best films ever made, (although this
"it's a sort of B+S film" I'm less convinced with). It's one of the funniest
things ever and I believe that it's not altogether very well known in the
US. I think it would be worth searching out though cause it's completely
great. It's just about Gregory's life in a small Scottish newtown (where I
also grew up at that time - unfortunately my life wasn't quite as amusing as
Gregory's, and nor, come to think of it did I get to cop off with Clare
Grogan), and his loves, i.e. football and women. It's worth watching a few
times, one of these films like Withnail and I where everything that's great
about it isn't apparent immediately.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From John.Johnston at xxx.uk  Mon Apr  6 10:09:53 1998
From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:09:53 +0100
Subject: Sinister: smudged ink polaroid
Message-ID: <199804060909.KAA21693@hgty.capgemini.co.uk>

This is one of me taken this weekend. I'm the car with Alice and Alex
and I'm really happy to be back in Scotland with my two best friends. It
was Alice's hen night and she'd come to pick us up from the airport.
This shot is taken somewhere on the M8 before the turning off to Al's
house. There's a look of wonder and surprise on my face and I'm pointing
out the window at a big square building in the corner of the shot. It's
dark outside but you can just about make out (through the rain on the
windows) the big letters STO there in the top corner. "It's Stow
College! Stow College - that's where Belle and Sebastian are from". My
dearest friends seem somewhat underwhelmed at this revelation but I was
thrilled. I must have been past it loads of times and never noticed
before. It's my Salford Lad's Club moment.

xx
john

(less than a month to the pic nics!!!!)
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From keith at xxx.uk  Mon Apr  6 10:26:56 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:26:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: PICNICS - SCOTLAND
Message-ID: <01bd613e$24936cf0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

As John points out it is indeed less than a month, so I suppose it's time
this got organised, It appears we're having a "picnic" on Saturday 25th
April in Glasgow. We'll have to sort out somewhere to meet, so provisionally
say we meet at 1 o'clock outside Fopp on Byres Road. Anne, if you've got any
better ideas, let me know. I just figure people can go record shopping
whilst waiting :-).

    Could everyone who wants to come please mail me so's I can suss out
exactly who plans to come. It would also be nice to make a weekend of it, so
we can all work out what to do the night before too, but we can sort this
out closer to the time. Anyone with any suggestions please mail me.


    Cheers,
        Keith.


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From aevans at xxx.uk  Mon Apr  6 11:36:45 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:36:45 +0100
Subject: Sinister: FIS to FINEST Migration
Message-ID: <01BD6150.47C961E0@pc07628>


You and Me, Me and You, Lot's and Lot's for You to do...Doo Doo..Doo Doo..
You and Me, Me and You.

Ithankyouverymuch.

I'd just like to complain about the travesty that was this weekends Stars In Their Eyes.  Clearly the audience consisted of 250 members of Rod Begbies family.

I have spoken.
Adrian.
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From afoley at xxx.com  Mon Apr  6 11:58:51 1998
From: afoley at xxx.com (afoley at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:58:51 +0100
Subject: Sinister: re. Kiddies Progs... Films...
Message-ID: <802565DE.003AC7B3.00@csc.com>

The good Dr E.J. Edwards wrote:

>Why has no-one mentioned PlayAway?? With the God like stature of
>Brian Cant (now to be heard over dubbing a cartoon for Lee & Herring).
Absolutely, PlayAway used to have stories on aswell, and I remember being
really scared once - don't know why though, it's such a long time ago,
it's all so vague now...

>And don't forget that these were the days when Grange Hill was brilliant
>and even Blue Peter was quite good...  and for those really young at
>heart is it the round window, the square window....?
Grange Hill, yes was great TV, leading the kids astray - I remember when
Doyle
stuck his two fingers up at Tucker (Mark Fowler in Eastenders) and this was
kids TV!!  Shocking stuff!  Actually, I caught the new Grange Hill
recently,
and it still seems pretty good, but then again I'm a very sad person...

Fingerbobs, Play School and others have been mentioned, but what about
Pipkins,
Hickory House (with the mop, I think) and of course the ultimate kiddies TV
show
of all time........Michael Bentines Potty Time.  Now that was great TV!!

There were loads more too, but it was a LONG LONG time ago...

Here's an e-nstamatic taken during my recent trip to Edinburgh..

Here I am stood outside The Malt Shovel on Cockburn Street, you can see
from the pained expression on my face that I am studying something very
closely, and yes, that is a map I am holding in my hands, hence the pained
expression.(It's on eof those free impossible to read ones)  Well I do need
a map, as it's my first time in Edinburgh.  If you look to the right you
can see my friend Ali, who has just stomped off up the hill in a huff after
accusing me of being a tourist because I'm studying the map and looking
like I'm lost!. I am bloody lost! I think she was a bit embarrassed, even
though she herself is a "tourist" too. Also, if you look to the left and
inside the window of the pub, you can see a chap knocking on the window
trying to get my attention.  I noticed him after the picture was taken, and
he was taking the piss, you can see that from the big smile on his face.
He could see I was "new" to Edinburgh and was basically waving his hands
about and pointing in the other direction saying "That way, it's that way".
Pretty funny really.

This really happened, honestly!
Anyway, I'm out of here now.
Cheers
Ady



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From jbleasdale at xxx.net  Mon Apr  6 12:16:10 1998
From: jbleasdale at xxx.net (John Bleasdale)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:16:10 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Yo La Tengo
Message-ID: <003c01bd614d$6a3e8460$8530eec2@jbleaspc.rmplc.co.uk>

To whoever was asking about YLT records, a good
album to get would be "I Can Hear the Heart Beating 
as One". Autumn Sweater is one of my all time 
favourite songs by anyone, ever.

Also, does anyone know an aproximate date for the
new Delgadoes album? Can't stop playing the new 
single.

John
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From twinkle at xxx.net  Mon Apr  6 12:27:21 1998
From: twinkle at xxx.net (minigo)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:27:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: Dreadlock Holiday
Message-ID: <199804061127.HAA17599@trapdoor.aracnet.net>

>Indeed Gregory's girl is one of the best films ever made, (although this
>"it's a sort of B+S film" I'm less convinced with). It's one of the funniest
>things ever and I believe that it's not altogether very well known in the
>US. 

Gregory's Girl is the mama of all that would be After School Specials! Check
out Clare's wing-ed hair! Mind you, it's a movie. Err, and I doubt it would
have been an official ASS since the accents wouldn't have passed the
producers' muster. Imagine GG with overdubs, kind of like what they did to
Trainspotting a few years ago! (not that I'm comparing the two!) Perish the
thought. Keep it in Scotland.

<Which reminds me of the one and only time I saw MTV whilst in the US, and
they were running subtitles during an Oasis interview... :) >

As for finding a copy in Canada/US, hipper video shops over here should
carry it. 

monday morning yawns,
elisa xx


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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Mon Apr  6 12:43:32 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:43:32 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Completely off-topic plea for musicians (feel free to skip!)
Message-ID: <3528BFE4.5D66@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>

Hi,
 Firstly much apolopies for bazarre e-mail mix up last time. I was at my
friend Dickon's house and mailed with the wrong presets so my message
got credited to him (as if I didn't have enough of an identity crisis).
Then as I was on the phone he reset everything and sent it again which
was lovely and sweet of him but I guess it must have been a bit of a
bore reading the same posting twice. Idiots and tecnology, never the
twain....

 Anyway, I was wondering if there was anyone out there (vaugely London
based) who has any sort of manual dexterity on the drums. I write for a
band who's drummer has just left them at the altar, so to speak and
we're gagging for a bit of new talent. Anyone interested e-mail me
privately and we'll send you a tape (Sundays, Mazzy Star, Cocteaus, as
those cute little MM ads always seem to run.)

 Stay lucky, Rory xxx
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From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk  Mon Apr  6 13:22:29 1998
From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:22:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Monday Poem
Message-ID: <199804061220.NAA22052@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>

Hello again. It's a been a fair old week for that elusive pop/poetry
crossover. First I read an article in the rubbish new men's mag, Deluxe,
that the redoubtable Simon Armitage (older readers may remember him from
the old Mark Radcliffe show) describes himself as a "huge belle and
sebastian fan". Next I turn to the latest issue of Select, where they have
made Paul Farley's first collection "The Boy from the Chemist is Here to
See You" their book of the month. You may remember that Paul's poem about
Keith Chegwin's appearance in Polanski's MacBeth was the inaugural Monday
poem. Once again, where the sinister list leads, the rest of the media
follow...

On a couple of tangents, can i repeat my call for
articles/interview/whatever for the new list fanzine "brouhaha"? Email me
privately for details. Also, does anyone else find the new pulp lp a
profound disappointment? I keep on losing the will to live half way through
it. To cheer myself up I had to compose a list of my top 5 b&s related
films:

1) Trust
2) My Life as a Dog
3) Billy Liar
4) Harold and Maude
5) When the Cat's Away

Anyway, this week's poem is in honour of the new Farley book, which I urge
you all to buy, and goes out to the sinister cosmichemusik/krautrock posse

Paul Farley
Velvets, Can, Stooges

For John, in the hope he is still alive
somewhere. An album is nearing its dead centre
in the room where we camped with a Primus stove,
lit by the glow of a one-bar heater.
At that moment the page becomes a strain
to read, and as quic as a summer
can end with the drawing of a curtain

he is there, in a past that squats at my shoulder,
teaching me the litany of bands
and a way to fold with three Rizla;
there, the same slender plugwired hands
that were gentle with charcoal
those afternoons in the Life Room,
but hard on himself with a shared needle.

In the hope that he has turned the flame
to one more item of luggage:
has burned the phone numbers and names
old as a habit, page by page:
that he sees a world beyond the door's
one-eyed, dilated view.
There are burnished spoons in the drawer

where I live now. I stole a thing or two
and entertain the idea
still, in light like this, then forget you
like some character in the book
that's slipped from my lap. You were so real then
that I almost looked for those records you took,
and put on that arctic winter again.

________________________________________

Stevie Trousers
The Poetry Society: http://www.poetrysoc.com

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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Mon Apr  6 14:12:09 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:12:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sinister: Yo La Tengo
In-Reply-To: <003c01bd614d$6a3e8460$8530eec2@jbleaspc.rmplc.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980406080716.17290A-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>

On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, John Bleasdale wrote:

> To whoever was asking about YLT records, a good
> album to get would be "I Can Hear the Heart Beating 
> as One". Autumn Sweater is one of my all time 
> favourite songs by anyone, ever.
> 

I Can Hear... is one of the most perfect and (ooh, I hate this word) 
accessible YLT albums, esp. for a new listener.  For sentimental reasons, 
though, I must admit that PAINFUL is my favorite YLT album.  Maybe one of 
my favorite albums ever.  Th epic "From a Motel 6," the heartwrenchingly 
beautiful cover of The Only Ones' "The Whole of the Law," feedback, 
distortion, the catchy "Double Dare"... all of these songs move me in 
inexplicable ways.  Though many YLT fans seem to love ELECTRO-PURA, most 
of the songs are just now starting to not get on my nerves.  "Tom 
Courtenay" is cited as being one of their best songs ever, but, really, I 
find it a little too catchy, if that's possible.  Time for me to stop now.

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Mon Apr  6 13:34:01 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:34:01 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Rubber Bullets
Message-ID: <01bd6158$47a2a660$LocalHost@itjfvkli>

But as soon as i started
>teaching it was like, oh fuck off, no WAY would a treacher be doing
>that/saying that, and um, it was annoying i guess

I was similarly disullusioned when I found myself teaching English to
"foreigners". It was nothing like "Mind Your Language" at all! No one ever
called me "professori", not once did I receive an apfel strudel as a token
of appreciation, and conflicts between Muslims and Hindus were virtually
non-existant.

Peter

PS: I've listened to Yabby You. I give it a MASSIVE eleven out of ten.
Nevertheless, Tim and I are yet to become lovers, despite appearances to the
contrary.

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From keith at xxx.uk  Mon Apr  6 17:13:02 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:13:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Rubber Bullets
Message-ID: <01bd6176$dfc3fac0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

>But as soon as i started
>>teaching it was like, oh fuck off, no WAY would a treacher be doing
>>that/saying that, and um, it was annoying i guess
>
>I was similarly disullusioned when I found myself teaching English to
>"foreigners". It was nothing like "Mind Your Language" at all! No one ever
>called me "professori", not once did I receive an apfel strudel as a token
>of appreciation, and conflicts between Muslims and Hindus were virtually
>non-existant.
>
>Peter
>
>PS: I've listened to Yabby You. I give it a MASSIVE eleven out of ten.
>Nevertheless, Tim and I are yet to become lovers, despite appearances to
the
>contrary.




Hahaaa, superb, Peter doesn't miss a trick does he, I was sure it'd at least
take four mails before someone spotted the 10CC of my subject lines.

Peter, you'll be amazed to learn that you even managed to pre-empt my next
choice of song!

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Mon Apr  6 17:38:02 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:38:02 +0200
Subject: Sinister: I'm Not In Love
Message-ID: <01bd617a$5e2613a0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>

>Hahaaa, superb, Peter doesn't miss a trick does he, I was sure it'd at
least
>take four mails before someone spotted the 10CC of my subject lines.
>
>Peter, you'll be amazed to learn that you even managed to pre-empt my next
>choice of song!


The sad part is, I actually went and looked them up in the Rough Guide to
Rock to try and find some more obscure titles, but it wasn't to be, I'm
afraid. While we're on the subject of children's telly, does anyone else
remeber the Blue Peter report about how they made the sleeve for "Bloody
Tourists"? Not quite up to the standards of the elephant pooh incident, but
it seems to have stuck in my mind anyway. They stuck the map onto a mask, it
wasn't a windy day or anything like that.

Peter

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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Mon Apr  6 19:01:56 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:01:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Chekhov's terribly dry for a young lad full of the joys of spring.
Message-ID: <35291894.381@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>

Yipee, first real day of spring! Chekhov put it best I think, 

 "...everything was in blossom, it was warm and there was sunsine
everywhere....When I woke up this morning and saw the great blaze of
light and knew that spring had come- I felt so happy and excited, I felt
I just had to go back home to Moscow."

 Relevance? Oh ok then, substitute Dumfries or something for Moscow if
that makes it more Belle&Sebastian.

 A wise person wrote...

 "'Sleep the clock around' or 'Slap my cock around' as I call it."

 Yes! What a fantastic idea! Semi-amusing and gratuitously filthy song
titles rule! Why stop there? why not re-name the band "Bell-end
Sebastian" and have done with it?. Sorry. Complaints to the usual
address....  

 Also I'd like to extend an open invitation to all list members based in
or passing through London to come and spend a Saturday night at the club
I work at "Lava Lounge," in Camden Lock. It's basicaly your bog-stand
mod/sixties Blow-Up rip-off kinda thing but Hey! the Tequila's cheap and
y'know you might meet somebody who really loves you and all that jazz.

 Jon.g and Bethey for president!

 Stay lucky, Rory xxx
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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Mon Apr  6 19:05:58 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:05:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Whatever makes her happy, on a Saturday night
Message-ID: <35291986.B72@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>

Oh, I forgot to mention, anyone up for "Lava Lounge" should e-mail
(like, how desperate am I for some mail?) so's I can give you directions
and sort out guestlist places etc...

 Stay lucky, Rory xxx
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From jon.g at xxx.com  Mon Apr  6 19:19:12 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:19:12 +0100
Subject: Sinister: fame
Message-ID: <01bd6188$7fd2a640$LocalHost@dell>

Well, just to set a few things straight:

bethey and jon g. are not snogging.

bethey is the girl in Expectations and jon g. is the boy in Get Me Away From
Here, I'm Dying, so they are just good friends, to use a very good cliché.

>Jon.g and Bethey for president!

Sun Maid Raisins as the food of the nation.

National Anthem?

lots of love,
jon g.
jon.g at btinternet.com - http://www.btinternet.com/~jon.g/


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From bramly at xxx.uk  Mon Apr  6 22:12:28 1998
From: bramly at xxx.uk (Bramleys)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:12:28 +0100
Subject: Sinister: fame
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>bethey and jon g. are not snogging.

bethey is too much of a femanist for boyfriends.  they do not deserve the
pleasure of my company.  when they are about 45, then they will have grown
up and may be worth some attention, but until then, I'd rather dance to Abba
in my bedroom.


bethey
bramly at globalnet.co.uk

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From Runegg at xxx.com  Tue Apr  7 00:03:04 1998
From: Runegg at xxx.com (Runegg)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:03:04 EDT
Subject: Sinister: chewed to a pulp
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Hi,
So there I was, innocently reading the village voice, when I come across this
b.s. about B/S, in the middle of a worshipful review of Pulp: "Belle and
Sebastian might be the hot Morrissey clones of the day, but Pulp beat them
soundly in terms of craft, as well as that old milk of human kindness."  
huhwhat?  fight the power, and all that.
--Ari
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From twinkle at xxx.net  Tue Apr  7 02:36:37 1998
From: twinkle at xxx.net (minigo)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:36:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: A Hodge Podge of Things
Message-ID: <199804070136.VAA15321@trapdoor.aracnet.net>

Fabulous Genevieve wrote:

>I  am still waiting for that lovly scenario "ladies and gentlemen we have a
>new boy in our class today,all the way from England!" "oh is this seat
>taken" "not if YOU'RE gonna sit there..rrrroww!" "oh my you like Belle and
>Sebastian" eyes lock in passionate stare "like? I lovvvve honey,i lovvvve"
>umm yeah I'll shut up now... (welll i will in just a wee bit)

G, you're the best! That's it, we're going to write a script for our own tv
show, starring absolutely everyone here. Yes, even you shy ones in the
corner must have a cameo or two. I had this happen twice in high school,
once with a darling Australian, and the 2nd time with a French boy who gave
me nasty looks as he smoked Gitanes in the basement hallways.

Anyone ever dream of running into the love of their dreams on public
transit? Last year I was waiting for the subway, listening to my walkman and
wrapped up in daydreams as usual, when all of a sudden a Cute Boy tapped my
arm. I thought I must be in a John Hughes film! He asked what I was
listening to. "Nick Drake", said I. "Who are they?" asked he. Then my heart
sank and I knew it was not to be. 

I had my B&S mix-tape on the walkman today, actually, and when LLPJ came on
I wanted to jump up and get everyone to linedance...
 
Erm, thanks to everyone who's written about the Toronto picnic-- I'll set up
a mailing list for us to sort things out. I would also like to add, you all
get a mention in my memoir for ACTUALLY WRITING BACK TO ME instead of the
list. In fact, I've seen none of that business on Sinister yet. Impressive! 

Which leads me to the misery I am experiencing at the thought of missing a
picnic in Glasgow. Bethie (the arzy one!), let's quit our jobs and run away,
shall we? A little secret: I've decided I need a holiday, and it must be
done. Aiming for June, we'll see. I've settled on Glasgow and thereabouts,
for I've not been since 1995 and miss it terribly. Everyone there, please
invite me to tea? I know I've only been here a few weeks, but already I've
gotten to know so many of you (esp. on irc) and it's dead cool. Holly may
sneak along in my suitcase, though if they charge me excess baggage fare I'm
afraid she'll have to cough up for it.

One last thought: when listening to B&S, are you inspired to cook anything
in particular? Perhaps everyone's not like me, but I tend to reach for the
mixing bowls instead of a guitar. Things I have made with them as soundtrack:

-- apricot buttermilk scones
-- blueberry waffles w/ fruit salad & whipped cream
-- roasted garlic, tomato & basil soup
-- the infamous caramel brownies

Note the tendency towards desserts! It differs. For example, when I have the
soundtrack to "les parapluies de cherbourg" on (which I mention as I've been
talking about it w/ someone), I tend to get rather gourmet and make
portobello mushroom-white wine crescents. 

sweet tooth elisa xx (a.k.a. petula)











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From 95516123 at xxx.uk  Fri Apr  3 14:33:20 1998
From: 95516123 at xxx.uk (95516123 at xxx.uk)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:33:20 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Subtitles and pleasant surprises
Message-ID: <0002825A.3208@student.napier.ac.uk>


On April 2 Tag wrote:

>Pretentious is just a word used by some people for things they're too
>fucking ignorant or lazy to understand. Don't listen to these people,
>they are wrong. Incidentally, I'd recommend you go and see "Happy
>Together", Wong Kar Wai's (Chunking Express) new film. The bloke in
>"Uncut" likes it and so do I. Stylish, moving, lovely photography,
>romantic ... dammit, it's got the lot. I think I waffled on about
>"Chunking Express" before, but that rules too.

          >> Yes Yes Yes, I second both the Wong Kar Wai
          >>recommendations. For maximum effect, see Happy Together
          >>while you are Sad Alone. (Um, that sounds sarcastic but
          >>it's not!) I just missed seeing WKW's Fallen Angels in the
          >>theater so will have to try to find it on video. I also
          >>recommend another film out of HOng Kong called "Comrades:
          >.Almost a Love Story" -- cheesy title, but good film, and
          >>somewhat reminiscent of Kieslowski, my favorite director.


On March 31 Tara Widmer wrote: 

>>most people get completely wrong impressions about what people are
>>going to look like before they see their picture/meet them.
>So, has anybody ever been pleasantly surprised in this regard? do
>tell... I'm curious

          >> Mmmmm, yes, very pleasantly surprised upon receiving a
          >>photo. I can't report on the first meeting part for
          >>another 9 hours or so, when he gets here. He's in a plane
          >>crossing the Atlantic as I write this. GULP!

          > B&S content? Um, the boy on the plane is the person who
          >introduced me to B&S and a list member, does that count?
          >
-> Nicole 
.>. who also votes for the return of the happy bunny statement
>which she had successfully begged HoneyP for in the first place! :-)



>.  .  .  .  n i c o l i n a @ d r i z z l e . c o m  .  .  .  .  

>i've concluded once again that i'm too fickle for a signature file.


          yeah,  you are all astonishingly wet and sad... and I have
          lost all faith...if ever there was a time to bow out...


          Marcus


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From tangent at xxx.net  Tue Apr  7 09:44:34 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:44:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: chewed to a pulp
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Runegg wrote:

> Hi,
> So there I was, innocently reading the village voice, when I come
> across this
> b.s. about B/S, in the middle of a worshipful review of Pulp: "Belle
> and
> Sebastian might be the hot Morrissey clones of the day, but Pulp beat
> them
> soundly in terms of craft, as well as that old milk of human
> kindness."
> huhwhat?  fight the power, and all that.

hmmm, i'm thinking that all the Smiths parallels i and others drew a
while back were one big mistake.  As was perhaps their covering Reel
Around The Fountain... if simply for the fact that many may read the
Smiths references and make an assumption (wrongly) about some obsession
with Morrissey which completely misses the point, the point being that
the Smiths interesting work lay in a two year period at most, and that
it is most likely an interest in that work that informs something of
belle & sebastian. I think it would be fairer and more stylish to
suggest that they might be Orange Juice clones on the back of their
version of In A Nutshell but of course that would be just as silly.
See, what do i know?

keep the faith

the duke

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Tue Apr  7 10:58:08 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:58:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: fame
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On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Bramleys wrote:

> 
> 
> >bethey and jon g. are not snogging.
> 
> bethey is too much of a femanist for boyfriends.  they do not deserve the
> pleasure of my company.  when they are about 45, then they will have grown
> up and may be worth some attention, but until then, I'd rather dance to Abba
> in my bedroom.
> 
but when they're 45 they'll be fat and have hair on their backs.

and be careful, you don't want to encourage Humbert Humbert....>

ciao,

espadrille

 
> bethey
> bramly at globalnet.co.uk
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From rod at xxx.com  Tue Apr  7 12:34:23 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:34:23 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: What's got 10,000 legs and no pubic hair?
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980407122743.25384P-100000@gilgamesh>

I've had a long weekend, so there's shedloads in my mailbox.  All replies
are in the order in which they arrived in my box.

On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, JOSEPH FOSTER wrote:
> The song that reveals how I feel about sex is ' whatever happened to
> you', the theme tune to 'whatever happened to the likely lads'.

Snuff do a punk cover version of this.  It's on the Deceptive 50 album.

On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Dr E.J. Edwards wrote:
>     Why has no-one mentioned PlayAway?? With the God like stature of
> Brian Cant (now to be heard over dubbing a cartoon for Lee & Herring).

Saw him doing a show in the MacBob in Stirling, accompanied by Jonathon
Cohen on piano.  The only joke I remember is him saying he would get the
name of someone in the audience, and instantly think of a song with their
name in it.  A girl shouts out her name, and he launches into Happy
Birthday.

> and for those really young at
> heart is it the round window, the square window....?

I read somewhere that the choice of window was meant to relate to the
topic of the film, so if it was about making footballs, they went through
the round window.  For this reason, the arch window was almost never used.

On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, jon g. wrote:
> I think we're going to have to have our own separate list for kids tv
> discussions.

For those of you with newsgroup access, there exists uk.media.tv.childrens
for this kind of discussion.

On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Alan Prior wrote:
> I went to see Glen Michael's Cavalcade live, y'know...was this programme 
> broadcast in England? Probably not. I've still got his autograph somewhere,
> I think...

It was only on in STV-land.  I went to one of his shows, too, and won a
jigsaw with him and Paladin and Rusty on it.  I'm still upset that he
didn't read out my birthday when my mum sent it in, though.

> Someone mentioned 'Gregory's Girl'... Omigod, I love this film!

Much as I love it, I'm really concerned about the news that Bill Forsyth
is making a sequel.  The story is apparently going to be about Gregory now
that he's approaching middle-age.  I can't imagine it will be anything
near as gripping as the original.

On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, John Jackson wrote:
> Yes well you could apply this to anyone. Someone posts something
> that you perceive to be really offensive but you know them so that's
> ok. Someone else posts something you don't like but you don't know 
> them so you send something to the list giving them a telling off.
> Double standards maybe? 

That's the way it seems to me.  One list member told me that he was pissed
off by my flippant comments about "Kate Winslet's tits and hand shandies" 
(his words, not mine), but the posting of the Sinister sleaze-quiz (anal
sex and masturbation featuring quite heavily) drew nary a complaint from
him. 

And I have been accused of being a misogynistic racist cunt after posting
that Spice Girls gag, by someone who clearly has no idea of what "racist"
means.  Describing someone as "black" is not racist.  Stereotyping someone
*because* they're black is.  I do not get offended if someone describes me
as blond.  If someone said "All blond people have small willies", I might
have cause for complaint.  (oh, and as for the "misogynist" tag, tell that
to my sister who originally told me that joke.)

On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Alan Prior wrote:
> Yay! Just  found 'Gregory's Girl'  video, so i'm off to watch it again.
> then maybe 'Dazed & Confused' again.

After the Ferris Bueller discussions on here, I bought the video on
Saturday for a fiver.  Spent the weekend at my parents' house, and what
should be on satellite but... Ferris Bueller.  Along with The Breakfast
Club and another John Hughes teen-angst movie.  An effing top night was
had by all.

> so many ways of avoiding
> revision/homework...

Worms 2 is standing me in good stead at the moment.  (two weeks til my
finals. <sigh>  I'm panicking about how little I've done, and yet can't
get motivated to do anything.  I wish I could be a committed go-getter
type, but I just cannot be arsed.)

On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Courtney Knopf wrote:
> I finally visited Rod's page. I was endlessly amused and I cannot wait 
> for his review of the Spice Girls concert. baited breath, I tell you;)

Well, to start with, here's the 50-words-or-less review I wrote for Melody
Maker's "Readers Lives" section:

"Tonight, the Spicey bandwagon rolled in to town, and though it may damage
my cred to admit it, I was there, slamming it to the left, with 8,000
like-minded fans.  I can be an indiekid the other 364 days.  Tonight
Matthew, I'm going to be Pop Boy."

The concert itself was just unreally great.  I danced, I jumped, I
screamed, I waved, I cheered, I sang.  It was terrific.  The gals were
onstage for about 1hr 40mins, which is impressive when you consider that
the two albums combined are only 1h20m.  Their costumes were smart and Mel
C got the biggest cheer of the night when she came on in a Scotland
football top. 

Surprise of the night goes to Victoria's voice, which was *astounding*!
Considering the fact that when Wannabe came out, I described her as "the
one at the back who doesn't sing", it was incredible how great she sounded
when doing songs like Viva Forever.

The audience was mainly pre- to early-teen girls (with parents in tow),
but it has to be said that they were nowhere near as up-for-it as me, my
sister and her friend (ages 21, 19 and 20 respectively).  I mean, they
*sat down* for goodness sake!  We were up on our feet the whole time, and
I fear that the 10-year-olds next to me were thinking "What is that wanker
on?", the answer to which being "GIRL POWER!"

It opened with William Shatner's voice booming "SPICE... the final
frontier.  Their mission: To boldly go where no girl group has gone
before", and finished with them leaving the stage to the riff from
"Firestarter"

And the songs...  well, you know them all already, but the way they ripped
through them was unreal.  And they finished with a storming version of "We
Are Family".

What?  Did you expect a bad review?

On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Alan Prior wrote:
> did anyone see TMWRNJ ("TMWRNJ!!!" repeat until not funny) today. The fake
> Rod Hull from Fist of Fun was on!!! Yay! "Jelly!" Omigod, thats another tv
> show i forgot about, The Pink Windmill!

Saw Rod Hull & Emu live once at the Kings Theatre in Embra.  They weren't
very good though.

> i visited everyones websites last night...i think jong & bethey's is sooo
> cool. "funky with a y", as they say...and sarah has manics bits! hooray.
> and a lovely piccy. couldn't be bothered going any further than the opening
> page of rod's. no real reason, just wanted to go back to jon's one i think.
> so can't say anything about that.

<sulk> Humph.  Well, if you want a reason to go back, I've got about 15
photos of me (ranging from baby to early teens) in my bag which I'm
scanning in after I've finished going through all the Sinister mail, and
which I'll put online soon.  Try http://www.begbie.com/rod/photos/ after
about three o'clock.  I'll get around to doing webpages around them some
other time.

> i went off the last album for a bit,
> 'specially as people kept singing bits out of 'Disco 2000' at me.

It's going to get worse... Jarvis is going to be minted after next
December.

On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Adrian Evans wrote:
> I'd just like to complain about the travesty that was this weekends
> Stars In Their Eyes.  Clearly the audience consisted of 250 members of
> Rod Begbies family. 

Explain... (I was out at the afore-mentioned concert on Saturday night,
thereby missing my weekly laugh at Matthew Kelly's tallness)

On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, minigo wrote:
> Imagine GG with overdubs, kind of like what they did to
> Trainspotting a few years ago! (not that I'm comparing the two!) Perish the
> thought. Keep it in Scotland.

They *did* do this.  I saw a version of SKY a few years back, where they'd
dubbed the Scottish accents with... Scottish accents.  Completely freaky.


Phew, that's everything.  Tune in on Thursday for another exciting
installment of Rod's Brain.

And please, don't have knightmares...

Rod.

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From Ayacolor at xxx.com  Tue Apr  7 13:03:06 1998
From: Ayacolor at xxx.com (Ayacolor)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:03:06 EDT
Subject: Sinister:Specal from Japan
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Helooooooo. Boys and Girls!
It's your colorful Aya again!
Check this out.
I went record shop in Machida (the suburb of Tokyo),they said 
"POWER PICK!!! B&S's new album is coming to us in April 7th!!!"
SO!  I never heard about new album coming and I ran into this store today.
I thought I could be the 1st girl having new B&S album. hehehe~
MEN! It was Japanese version of "If you feeling sinister". DAMN!!
And it named "A sigh of Angel" hn. 

This frustration is enough to buy a new CD, so I got "TRICATEL6"
It was gooood gooood. Guitar lif(rif) is killer. 

Now in here B&S become very big deal in Tokyo. Some of major record shop is
saying "MUST! Item to B&S. Kind of famouse magazine has B&S issue. And I saw
the other Japanese guys around sinister mailing list. (say:IRUTOMO!!)

Love and peace!
AyaXXXX
=PS =If you went to see Brian Jonstown Massacre in London, Let me know about
it. PLEASE!!
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From haras at xxx.au  Tue Apr  7 15:13:09 1998
From: haras at xxx.au (sezah)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 00:13:09 +1000
Subject: Sinister: you should never flog a dead horse...
Message-ID: <199804071514.BAA21456@mail.eisa.net.au>

ok groovers, so i know this subject is dead and almost buried, but i must
put in my 2 bobs worth as i have been dwelling on the subject for *such* a
long time!!...such a ditherer...but i was nervous, this being my first
posting and all...of course i'm talking about the sad songs thingy
(collective groan)...i know, i know, but bear with me!!
i think i may have given this just a *little* too much thought, but it was
hard for me, because i found that most of the songs that make me feel sad
also make me feel happy at the same time!! it's just too much fun at times
to wallow in ones sorrow. it can tend to be a comforting experience i
find...
the ultimate one for me is THE CARPENTERS...they get me every time, but
especially "goodbye to love", "solitaire" and "rainy days and
mondays"...these are a real indulgence!! others that make it to my list are:
NICK CAVE - loom of the land
PJ HARVEY - plants and rags
THE GOD MACHINE - it's all over
LOU REED - perfect day
RADIOHEAD - street spirit, climbing up the walls, lucky
SMASHING PUMPKINS - to forgive
ARROSA - bells
PEARL JAM - black

unfortunately my happy list is not quite as comprehensive...this was even
harder to formulate!! most of my happy songs tend to be those that are good
for driving on those perfectly wonderous days when it is a joyous occasion
to be alive!!! many of you have recounted such experiences....
anyway, 3 i shall share with you now are:
THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS - "bird house in your soul". was most impressed to see
someone else mentioned this chirpy marvel...just pipped to the post!!
SPENCER DAVIS GROUP - "gimme some lovin' "
STYLE COUNCIL - "shout to the top". this song is perhaps one of my favourite
high school remembrances as it featured in one - no, THE only, P.E class i
ever enjoyed!! we spent the entire period running around like maniacs,
calling it "modern dance", this song blaring out and reverberating around
the gym...what a feeling!!

you will no doubt notice the absence of any masterpiece from that
group...you know, whatstheirname - they are the reason this list was
formulated in the first place...you know the ones...8) well they would need
their very own "feeling" list altogether, but that's another posting....

happy easter dears...
sezah
xo


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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Apr  7 19:17:51 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:17:51 +0200
Subject: Sinister: ...The audience at a Bros concert
Message-ID: <01bd6251$7a8743c0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>

That blond bloke said:

>Saw Rod Hull & Emu live once at the Kings Theatre in Embra.  They weren't
>very good though.


You sick bastard, Rod. I saw the dynamic duo in Coventry, starring in Emu in
Pantoland. They were magnificent. And the late great Billy Daintee was even
better. The people sitting next to me may have wondered what I was on....EMU
POWER of course.

Nice to see "Goodbye to Love" get a mention. The guitar solo alone is worth
the price of admission, really superb fretwork, a proper sonic meltdown of
the kind Jimi Hendrix could only dream about. I think I'll go and listen to
it now.

Peter

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From thaiant at xxx.gov  Tue Apr  7 20:38:52 1998
From: thaiant at xxx.gov (Thaian N Ton )
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 14:38:52 -0500
Subject: Sinister: A sad song
Message-ID: <352A80B2.DF99EEE4@pop.nci.nih.gov>

A sad song, since you lot mentioned eric's trip:

allergic to love

:)  (that's me there, watching the pink blossoms in the sunshine waving
outside my window and wistfully hoping that i can catch some sunshine
but humming state i am in)

-wee chi chi
xxx

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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Tue Apr  7 19:48:37 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:48:37 -0400
Subject: Sinister: feel free to delete, i wont mind (much!) Grrrrrr
Message-ID: <199804071449_MC2-393A-CA84@compuserve.com>

okay, would be responding to lots of mad crazy bonkers things people have
been posting but there hasn't been that much lately and i've deleted most
things by mistake. as usual. just can't get a handle on this technology
malarky...

Message text written by Rod Begbie
>> so many ways of avoiding
>> revision/homework...

hehehe... yet another distraction; jon g sent me fingermouse pictures so i
will be spending tomorrow colouring them in.

>Saw Rod Hull & Emu live once at the Kings Theatre in Embra.  They weren't
>very good though. 
my sister saw Rainbow at the kings one year...oh dear. *and* jane and
freddy had left by that time which would have made it ever more rubbish. 
>I'm still upset that he [glen michael]
>didn't read out my birthday when my mum sent it in, though.
bah. he didn't read mine out either. or any ones i know. maybe it was a
conspiracy and he had hundreds of illegitimate children scattered around
the country so he only ever read out theirs. or maybe our mums lied to us
and never actually sent in the birthday cards. or maybe i'm talking crap as
usual. yes, i think the third option is the most likely...

>I've got about 15
>photos of me (ranging from baby to early teens) in my bag which I'm
>scanning in after I've finished going through all the Sinister mail, and
>which I'll put online soon.

now *there's* a reason to stay in of a night if ever i heard one... who
needs websites with bernard butler, nicky wire and jonny greenwood when you
can sit back and bask in the wondrous delight of rod begbie's photo
album...hehehe. i trust naked photos of you aged 4 in the bath will be
included? c'mon, everybody's got one of them like that... why not send them
to gary glitter? teeheehee.

>> i went off the last album for a bit,
>> 'specially as people kept singing bits out of 'Disco 2000' at me.
>It's going to get worse... Jarvis is going to be minted after next
December.

oh THANKS, i hadn't thought of that until now...actually, me and my friend
kenneth were talking about changing our names before we go to uni..., so
all suggestions from all you lovely sinisterites of classy kenickie style
names will be greatly appreciated. please!

lovelyspangly Sarah wrote;
>ok, new plan. as the Sinisterine girl group never quite got off the
>ground, i have a new plan. The Sinisterine CHEERLEADERS! YEAH! we can
>dance about looking like arses with those dft pompoms 

dearie, dearie me...Sarah, you are completely BONKERS BARMY, but that is
why we love you...hehehe, can't stop giggling at the thought of your idea.
oh dear. but what was this girl group anyway? sorry, should look things
like this up in the archive or sommat, but i can't. boo.

okay, thats about all i can think of for the moment, so i'll save you the
bother of reading any more of my rubbish... but cogratulations if you
managed to get this far! but you don't win a classy prize. sorry. just lots
of kisses. bet you're sooo glad...

love,
Debbie xxxxx.

"The kids have to realise how life is better when you're spangly! How
important it is to make everyone go WOW!!" marie dusantiago
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From suchgranddesigns at xxx.com  Wed Apr  8 00:12:46 1998
From: suchgranddesigns at xxx.com (j i l l i a n)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:12:46 -0400
Subject: Sinister: we rule which school?
References: <v03102802b149429f8125@[209.100.70.104]>
Message-ID: <19980407.191801.11798.1.SuchGrandDesigns@juno.com>

On Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:48:33 -0600 (CST) Amanda Bergman
<a-bergman at nwu.edu> writes:

>All this talk of children's TV shows has gotten me to reminisce about
>programs like the Muppet Show and the Electric Company and 3,2,1 
>CONTACT that were on when I was a kid. Oh, the fleeting days of youth.

321 contact... did anyone else watch "square 1", that show all about
mathematics?  they had a segment at the end called "mathnet" and it was a
bit like the bloodhound gang - only, two mathematicians solved all the
mysteries... i used to look forward to it every day and pretend-play it
in the playground during recess... my mate nikki and i would rush around
the wooden fort and slide down the slide (like firefighters) brandishing
calculators against the evil wrongdoers of the word... erm, that's quite
sad innit?

anyway, many many sincere apologies to everyone, but can i please ask
anyone from the boston area to mail me PRIVATELY and give me their
thoughts on the area and how the music "scene" there is (ie: can one find
b&s and otherwise "indie" records easily)  i am unexpectedly trying to
decide btwn wellesley and barnard for uni and horribly confused so any
input would be greatly appreciated.  if anyone knows any B&S types at
either of these institutions please drop me a line as well.  sorry to
everyone non-US for posting this here, but i don't know where else to
turn.  :(

erm... b&s content?  i was looking at the acid house kings site and two
of them list belle and sebastian among their 5 favourite groups of all
time!

lots n lots of ice cream,
jillian.  xx

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From cc297 at xxx.ca  Wed Apr  8 03:59:44 1998
From: cc297 at xxx.ca (Alvin de Leon)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:59:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: FELT rarities auction 
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9804072212.B10711-0100000@queen>




To all B&S and FELT fans out there

I'll be running this auction for 5 days only. Auction will
end on April 12 Sunday. Winners will be notified on Tuesday
April 14.

Please send your bids to me privately and not on the list.
Email: cc297 at torfree.net

All singles and LPs are in excellent condition like brand new.


12" (minimum bid $8)


Felt - Crumbling the Antiseptic Beauty (1981 - Cherry 025)

Felt - Sunlight Bathed the Golden Glow (1984 - Cherry 081)

Felt - Primitive Painters (1985 - Cherry 089)

Felt - Ballad of the Band (1986 - Creation 027)

Felt - Rain of Crystal Spheres (1986- Creation 032)

Felt - Final Resting of the Ark (1987 - creation 048)

Felt - Space Blues (1988 - creation 060)



Mini-LP (minimum bid $8)
******************************

Felt - Train Above the City  (1987 - Creation 035)



full length LP's (minimum bid $10)
***********************************

Felt - Strange Idols and Patterns (1984 - Cherry 063)

Felt - Ignite the Seven Canons (1985 - Cherry 065)

Felt - Let the Snakes Crinkle their Heads (1986 - Creation 09LP)

Felt - Forever Breathes the Lonely Word (1986- Creation 11LP)

Felt - Poem of the River (1987 - Creation 17LP)

Felt - Pictorial Jackson Review (1988 - Creation 30LP)




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From MaryTMat at xxx.com  Wed Apr  8 03:55:45 1998
From: MaryTMat at xxx.com (MaryTMat)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:55:45 EDT
Subject: Sinister: What's got 10,000 legs and no pubic hair?
Message-ID: <2bfc1b2.352ae733@aol.com>

im jumping into the b&s online circle, would have been here sooner but i was
just recently graced with internet privelages through my roommates account. i
currently live in boston where i am in the process of maybe transferring
schools to mass. college of art or not going at all and instead traveling as i
just discovered a place where u can get open ended rnd trp tickets to london
for $150 any time of year! i am excited with this find and secretly hope i
dont get accepted...
it is funny b&s is constantly renewed for me, it never feels old, always
present. i sing along to b&s on my trike on the way to work everyday at the
photoplace, people must think its silly but thats ok.  i play it there
sometimes and some people like it 
well thats my silly little introduction, mary*
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From aadam at xxx.com  Wed Apr  8 06:14:17 1998
From: aadam at xxx.com (Aadaminational Jacobsination)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 00:14:17 -0500
Subject: Sinister: All together now...
Message-ID: <352B07A4.46A1@interaccess.com>

Everybody say "Happy Birthday" to Amanda!
Ready?
1
2
3

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From paiku at xxx.com  Wed Apr  8 09:01:54 1998
From: paiku at xxx.com (sarah :o])
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 01:01:54 PDT
Subject: Sinister: we rule which school?
Message-ID: <19980408080155.2311.qmail@hotmail.com>

   Oh, don't go getting me started!  I LOVED that show, we always used 
to watch it on sundays when i was at my grandparents' house.  And it 
didn't help that my mum is calculus teacher.  That's the only skit i 
remember really well from that show though, it was so lame!  All i 
remember other than that was numbers flying all ober the screen.  Scary.  
And that computer guy, i think MAx was his name, from the TV set.  Even 
scarier.  I was trying to think of this one show i watched when i was a 
wee tot, it was called the Wuzzles or something, only it wasn't.  It was 
this show with funny looking puppets who lives in a cave.  What a 
wonderful description by me.  Does anyone have the foggiest idea what 
I'm talking about?
  On another note, the excitment is brewing in my neck o' the woods.  
Since i can't find too many B&S fans around here, i'm making my own.  So 
far i have 2 who are really interested.  It's a fun project to keep you 
busy, try it sometime.  Yay :D  

sarah

>321 contact... did anyone else watch "square 1", that show all about
>mathematics?  they had a segment at the end called "mathnet" and it was 
a
>bit like the bloodhound gang - only, two mathematicians solved all the
>mysteries... i used to look forward to it every day and pretend-play it
>in the playground during recess... my mate nikki and i would rush 
around
>the wooden fort and slide down the slide (like firefighters) 
brandishing
>calculators against the evil wrongdoers of the word... erm, that's 
quite
>sad innit?


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From keith at xxx.uk  Wed Apr  8 09:50:41 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:50:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Art for Art's sake [PICNICS - SCOTLAND]
Message-ID: <01bd62cb$68e875b0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

ART FOR ART'S SAKE

Emu's existence is justified to me not for the classic Michael Parkinson
episode, but for the incredible encounter with Snoop Doggy Dogg on the word
a few years ago where Emu goes for it as usual whilst Snoop's up on a murder
charge. Rod Hull must have balls of steel.

PICNICS:

Right, we've got a bit of a dilemma here with the picnics. Uptight isn't on
that Friday which is a bit of a bastard cause we'd planned to go, so we
could move it to the next weekend, but then, that's the weekend of the
London picnic I think. So we may just have it the weekend of the 24th/25th
and we'll just have to pile of somewhere else, which isn't so bad really.

    I'm never too concerned about planning these things too well cause they
always work out in the end and as long as we all meet up in the same place
at the same time I'm sure we'll have a laugh.

    One thing I know is a problem is that it's still the Easter holidays for
students so some people haven't replied yet, but I'm sure it'll be fine in
the end. We'll have to work out places to stay as well for people coming
from somewhere else. Can people in Glasgow let me know if they'd be willing
to allow people to stay over, so's we can sort out places for people to
stay.

Thanks,
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Wed Apr  8 09:33:40 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:33:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: KEEP DIERDRE IN JAIL! YEAH!
Message-ID: <Ex4kjEAkZzK1Ewuu@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

hi!

i'm on me hols, and i have had 2hrs sleep but i KNOW i won' be able to
sleep today so as usual i am being on the pooter, being a pooter GEEK!
yipee! 

Party, well yes we did play Feeder and OK pooter, but not as much as we
usually do. i even had to suffer Backstreet Boy, but fear not, we of
GOOD taste went into the hall and put on Radiohead and scary RAWK!
and... *sighs* we got to play the Manics, both Gold against the Soul,
AND the Holy Bible. oooh, that was great. 

I am pleased to know Jon g and bethey aren't snoggin'. really. that was
eating me up at night, :) heehee.... ooh nevermind.

Hey i felt connected today. My friend bought Mojo, and went to me, "hey
Sarah, its that belle and sebastian people you like, it says their new
albums nearly out now"...and i said "ooh well thats not true cos i'm
waiting till what Katrina tells me" and they said "who is that?" and i
said "ooh, a record company dudette" and they went "wow!" and they were
reeeeeally impressed like fluffy bunnies. if they are in fact things
which are impressed, ooh, i just don't know.

HEY, can we SOD the irony here by the way? SPICE GIRLS ARE CACK PANTS
AND POO. they do not represent POP! they represent a big steaming puddle
of Liam Gallaghers underarm sweat, which is SUCh a disgusting thought
that i'm going to be siiick......

*rushes to toilet*

back again! anyway, what is speshal about them? ooh, ii forget. i don't
give un merde if they get their tits out fer the lads. aren't they silly
those spice people. i am not a big fan of theirs at all, but i supose as
marketing they are very well done, but then again, marketing can KISS
MAH ASS!

i need to get out more. actually, i've just been back home for one and a
half hours so that could possibly be wrongs, hmmm, so 

OOOH! WHO'S GOING TO THE SCOTLAND PICNIC! tell us now mateys!
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
calvin -"is it possible to refuse to inherit the world?"
hobbes -"i think if you're born its too late."
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From mctag at xxx.com  Wed Apr  8 15:49:17 1998
From: mctag at xxx.com (Tag)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 14:49:17 GMT
Subject: Sinister: What's wrong with being sexy?
Message-ID: <352c8860.21304619@email.mcmail.com>

Hello You,

I'm away to the land of ryvita, death metal gang warfare and Stakka Bo
tomorrow.  25% of Swedish road accidents are caused by Moose, you
know.  And Doctor Albarn is a dentist.  Last year I stayed at a couple
of nights in this ace flat belonging to a my friend's metal fan
sister, it was all chrome and leather.  The owners weren't there,
they'd gone fishing.  Not very rock at all, I was quite disappointed.
We played Metallica before we went out, and that set us up nicely for
the evening ahead.

Talking of rock, Peter wrote:

>Nice to see "Goodbye to Love" get a mention. The guitar solo alone is worth
>the price of admission, really superb fretwork, a proper sonic meltdown of
>the kind Jimi Hendrix could only dream about. I think I'll go and listen to it now.

It's a killer track, Peter.  Full-on balls out RAWK.  They were a real
tight outfit, weren't they?  Some really heavy duty axework, then
lighters aloft high octane power charged anthems.  I get a full-on
robot chubby just thinking about it.

Has anyone tried playing "If you're feeling sinister" backwards?
Sinister doesn't even begin to describe it.  At one point you can
clearly hear Murdoch inciting us to organise a big foxhunt.  "Release
the hounds", he screams, like a hideous cross between Ozzy Osbourne
and Monty Burns, "Tear up the fox!  Bloody vermin.  Worrying moi
lifestock.  Gerroff moi land".

Goodbye, I'm going to Sweden now.

Love Tag xx
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From ab0u600b at xxx.uk  Wed Apr  8 16:47:28 1998
From: ab0u600b at xxx.uk (Dawn)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 16:47:28 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sad Songs
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980408154728.08576170@pop1.liv.ac.uk>

Here's my little contribution to the sad song debate...
Radiohead - Street Spirit
Gorky's - Sun Moon Star, or Star Moon Sun, something like that - my eyes are
usually too full of tears to read the case properly
Beatles - While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Stones - Mother's Little Helper - fills me with despair for the future
Otis Redding - I've Been Loving You Too Long
Suede - The 2 Of Us/The Living Dead - in fact, most of Sci-Fi
B&S - Stars Of Track And Field/Seeing Other People - I suppose SOP may seem
quite uplifting to a lot of people, but if you have experienced one of those
shitty nearly-there relationships, they are downright tragic
  That's all I can think of for the moment, so I'll scurry off back to
LurkLand - a quick "hi" and welcome to Rory, and I'm sure I'll see you at
Easter...
   Love Dawn xxx


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From aevans at xxx.uk  Wed Apr  8 17:52:16 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:52:16 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Holiday...Celebrate ???
Message-ID: <01BD6317.12951640@pc07628>


Okay you pesky kids...I'll be signing orf then for my Easter hols.

Orf to sunny Bognor Regis...joy !

Hope you all have a wonderful Easter and don't eat too much chocolate.
-- 
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I have not got child-bearing hips.....alright ?
Adrian Evans
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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Wed Apr  8 18:48:23 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 18:48:23 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Completely off-topic plea for musicians (feel free to skip!)
References: <3528BFE4.5D66@gold.globalcafe.co.uk> <980407000111.n0010843.tormentor@mail.clara.net>
Message-ID: <352BB867.17A5@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>

In reply to my plea for musicians (i.e. can anyone out there play the
drums?) susannah wrote: 
> No, but i CAN PLAY THE SPOONS.

 Sorted. 15 minute long John Bonham-esque spoon solos are being written
as we speak. Now if only only we can find someone who can play "Me and
the Major" on the comb and paper....

 She also asked me about the sleaze quiz. Whooosh! straight over my
head. Being new n'all I think this may have been before my time. Mail me
a copy if you can be arsed, otherwise just invent a score for me (more
than Morrisey, less than the Marquis de Sade.) 

 Oh yeah re: Camus' relative merits over Chekhov. Yes "The Rebel" is
fantastic but he's hardly known for his evocative descriptions of the
first day of spring is he? Descriptions of spending the night guarding
your mother's tomb don't quite have the 'joie de vivre' I was looking
for.

 Stay lucky, Rory xxx
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From tinystar at xxx.com  Wed Apr  8 21:06:50 1998
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:06:50 -0400
Subject: Sinister: *MARRIED PEOPLE - HELP*
Message-ID: <v01540b00b15119bb1f6e@[172.16.1.86]>

Hi,

I have yet another practicum assignment, and once again could use your
help.  I'm basically answering the question What makes a marriage last?,
and so if you're married, or even if you're now divorced, you could really
help me out by answering these questions.  Please include with your
responses your name, age, length of time you have been married (or length
of time you were married if you are divorced), whether you are still
married, and if you'd like me not to use your real name.  Send your answers
to tinystar at worldy.com.  Thanks so much.

Questions:

1. Do you and your spouse have similar ethnic/social backgrounds?  Please
state what each of these backgrounds is.

2. How do you and your spouse resolve disagreements?

3. Do you and your spouse have similar hobbies/interests?  Do you spend a
lot of time together engaging in those activities?

4. Are the expectations you had of marriage before you were married
different from your expectations now?

5. Were you and your spouse friends before you started dating?  How long
did you know each other before you started dating, and before you were
married?

6. If you have children, state how many, their sex and ages, and how you
feel they have enriched your marriage.


That's it, not a lot of questions and not a lot of your time.  Please
remember to include your name, age, length of time you've been married, and
if you'd like me to keep your name confidential.  Send your answers to
tinystar at worldy.com.  Thanks again.

truly,

jessica
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From bluevelour at xxx.com  Wed Apr  8 21:14:22 1998
From: bluevelour at xxx.com (mayfly the fly)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 13:14:22 PDT
Subject: Sinister: B&S in Spin
Message-ID: <19980408201423.7712.qmail@hotmail.com>

I have it on very good authority that B&S will appear in the next issue 
of Spin magazine as one of their "40 Most Essential Artists Today" 
piece. I believe B&S are number 31 or 37 - and a photo of Stuart M. 
singing is included with a bit about the band and why Spin has deemed 
them IMPORTANT.

Make of this what you will.
 

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From alaning at xxx.fr  Wed Apr  8 23:06:17 1998
From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan.H)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:06:17 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Sad Songs
Message-ID: <199804082205.AAA20107@mail1.isdnet.net>

hi,
i wanted to join into this topic, 'cos sad songs are what bring us together
i suppose...
these are subject to change, depends on the weather. Or something

1- Wichita lineman, by Glen Campbell
2- Asleep at the wheel, by Moose
3- The ninth track of the last spiritualized album (no track listing sorry)
4- the world is as soft as lace, by Felt
5- So hot (wash away all of my tears), by Spacemen 3
6- let's go away for awhile, by the Beach boys
7- Too far down, by Husker Du
8- The sun ain't gonna shine anymore, by the walker brothers
9- with whom to dance, by the magnetic fields
10- lights of cincinatti, by scott walker



anyway, how about a happy song thread, songs which lift you up and long for
that sunny moment... "hey! fever" by arab strab does that for me at the
moment!

love, alan



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From suzsch at xxx.net  Wed Apr  8 23:38:18 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:38:18 -0500
Subject: Sinister: sad songs say so little
Message-ID: <199804082238.RAA20796@smtp1.mailsrvcs.net>

I'm looking over all the lists of sad songs people are writing about, and I
came to the startling conclusion:  I've never had a song make me cry.  I've
had them make me happy, nervous, concerned, fulfilled, dreamy, and well,
even romantic shall we say, but I've never had a song make me cry.  maybe
it's just me because I'm sort of a callous in that area anyway, but then I
realize that movies and even stupid tv ads brought in the tears.  Even the
Disney movie with the 2 dogs and a cat trying to make their way home made
me sad and I didn't even like the movie that much, but bizarrely, I can sit
and listen to well crafted songs about lost love with deep images within
the lyrics, but I just sit there.  Then, I think maybe it's the words and
lack of images, but I can cry at books.  But I'm also a musician and I
wonder if that has anything to do with it.  To me, I cry (figuratively)
through my instrument and not through any other medium.  Shouldn't I be
empathetic towards a sad violin, instead?  I don't know.  It;'s weird.  The
point of my missive is not the make everyone think they are freaks for
doing so, but I'm trying to figure out how  I can go about experiencing
deep sadness with a song and fully apprecitae music to its fullest?  Do you
relate the words to your life?  Does the music recall memories?

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From jwg.wren at xxx.com  Thu Apr  9 00:01:03 1998
From: jwg.wren at xxx.com (Jonathan Wren)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 00:01:03 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sad Songs
References: <199804082205.AAA20107@mail1.isdnet.net>
Message-ID: <352C01AF.1EFD274B@dial.pipex.com>



Alan.H wrote:

> hi,
> i wanted to join into this topic, 'cos sad songs are what bring us together
> i suppose...
> these are subject to change, depends on the weather. Or something
>
> 1- Wichita lineman, by Glen Campbell
> 2- Asleep at the wheel, by Moose
> 3- The ninth track of the last spiritualized album (no track listing sorry)
> 4- the world is as soft as lace, by Felt

Ah, so *that's* where the line in I Don't Love Anyone comes from!!! I really
must listen to some Felt. Can someone recommend me a starting point?

Bernard Butler album is ace, especially Woman I Know.

Lurk mode back on,

All the best, a bit drunkenly,

Jon

> 5- So hot (wash away all of my tears), by Spacemen 3
> 6- let's go away for awhile, by the Beach boys
> 7- Too far down, by Husker Du
> 8- The sun ain't gonna shine anymore, by the walker brothers
> 9- with whom to dance, by the magnetic fields
> 10- lights of cincinatti, by scott walker
>
> anyway, how about a happy song thread, songs which lift you up and long for
> that sunny moment... "hey! fever" by arab strab does that for me at the
> moment!
>
> love, alan
>
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From vlass at xxx.com  Thu Apr  9 01:05:10 1998
From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:05:10 -0400
Subject: Sinister: oh dear, just some stuff..
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980409000510.00694230@mail.interlog.com>

hello darlings,

jillian wrote about square1 tv. then sarah did:
>   Oh, don't go getting me started!  I LOVED that show, we always used 
>to watch it on sundays when i was at my grandparents' house.  And it 
>didn't help that my mum is calculus teacher.  That's the only skit i 
>remember really well from that show though, it was so lame!  All i 
>remember other than that was numbers flying all ober the screen.  Scary.  
>And that computer guy, i think MAx was his name, from the TV set.  Even 
>scarier.  I was trying to think of this one show i watched when i was a 
>wee tot, it was called the Wuzzles or something, only it wasn't.  It was 
>this show with funny looking puppets who lives in a cave.  What a 
>wonderful description by me.  Does anyone have the foggiest idea what 
>I'm talking about?

oh oh oh! i'm so excited reading all of this... FRAGGLE ROCK! i think that's
what she's alluding too.. they lived in that cave and ate glass, i think.
their main enemy was the shaggy dog that was always sticking his paw in the
hole. and SQUARE ONE TV! yeah, i was obsessed with that show... you know how
they would take songs and make them into math related songs? well, i used to
drag a tape recorder in front of the tv and tape them.. i have the cassette
somewhere.. i think i'll find it and listen to it.so.. sigh, great show
(pssst.. my uncle produced "thundercats" and those delightful christmas
specials with the wooden characters, ie. rudolph the red nosed reindeer, and
frosty the snowman that are shown every year)

wee-chi-chi wrote:
>A sad song, since you lot mentioned eric's trip:
>allergic to love
i think this song is more sweet than it is sad: "i'm alone when i'm not
following you in the mall, watching the way you stall.. watching anything at
all.." sigh.

>>Fabulous Genevieve wrote:
>>I  am still waiting for that lovly scenario "ladies and gentlemen we have a
>>new boy in our class today,all the way from England!" "oh is this seat
>>taken" "not if YOU'RE gonna sit there..rrrroww!" "oh my you like Belle and
>>Sebastian" eyes lock in passionate stare "like? I lovvvve honey,i lovvvve"
and then elisa wrote,
> I had this happen twice in high school,
>once with a darling Australian, and the 2nd time with a French boy who gave
>me nasty looks as he smoked Gitanes in the basement hallways.

these days i have been scrawling "belle&sebastian are god" on my desks in
class in the hopes that someone in another class will see it, understand and
search me out. however, so far this has proven to be in vain.. i don't know
one person in my school who likes them, unless ive introduced them to b&s
myself. well, boo for them cos it's my last year there anyway!

ooooh, can't wait for the toronto picnic! (anyone have a date yet?)

rainingly yours,
teri xoxo

 



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From blink at xxx.net  Thu Apr  9 03:22:17 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:22:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: and i'm just happy to be alive
Message-ID: <199804090222.WAA21786@Vector.inexpress.net>

Oooh honey it's the Easter holidays!Lots o chocolate... Yeahaaaaa...finished
my mock exam and I finished my 'The Meeting Of Belle And Sebastian'
claymation...i umm sorta chnaged what the orginal story was..I couldn't have
Belle and Sebastian running in a field of daisy forever (various limbs were
starting to fall off) Soo...icky boy comes up and grabs Belle in the coffee
house and she'll have none of that so she smacks him and punches him and
then you see the crumpled heap which is the boy...then we have the running
in a field...,they embrace,and Sebastian takes a poison flower growing from
the land and they feed each other the petals and fall down,in an eternal
embrace. All i gotta do is edit it now....claymation is fun but i thought i
would throw the characters at chippers head so i am glad it is finished,i
was playing tigermilk but my friend came up and put on nirvana instead,she
thinks my music is too happy...


>Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:36:37 -0400 (EDT)
>From: minigo <twinkle at xxx.net>
>Subject: Sinister: A Hodge Podge of Things

>G, you're the best! That's it, we're going to write a script for our own tv
>show, starring absolutely everyone here. Yes, even you shy ones in the
>corner must have a cameo or two. I had this happen twice in high school,
>once with a darling Australian, and the 2nd time with a French boy who gave
>me nasty looks as he smoked Gitanes in the basement hallways.
>
>Anyone ever dream of running into the love of their dreams on public
>transit? Last year I was waiting for the subway, listening to my walkman and
>wrapped up in daydreams as usual, when all of a sudden a Cute Boy tapped my
>arm. I thought I must be in a John Hughes film! He asked what I was
>listening to. "Nick Drake", said I. "Who are they?" asked he. Then my heart
>sank and I knew it was not to be. 

Yes,i would so much like it if my records store boy wasa few years younger
and would go to my school,i'd have to protect him though..whenever any of
'the boyz' think a guy likes me,they try and beat him up..stupide teenage
boys...but we could swing down the halls listening to B&S..Last year a
Spanish boy came to the school and I called him Gutensberg,no romantic
interest..I jsut wanted him to be my friend..but he was scared of me and ran
down the halls from me! I even wrote him a note and he told me if i could
'please be fucking of' not OFF, OF! Grrrrrr! And he signed it 'Man Of
Jupiter' which I still don't understand...
Hmmmm..I really only saw one boy on the street that was like 'chemistry!' I
came out of the bookstore,and there he was smoking his cigarette..I kept
walking,stopped almost got ran over,thought 'woah,go back there
 but when i went back' alas he was not there...
But oh yes,on the the 37 that's where dream boy should be,but is he? No..he
is going 'all de souls of thee people i have killed are inside meee
ahhhh!!!Youu are my truue love!!!Livve in my castle of darkness'..so i just
keep looking out the window

>One last thought: when listening to B&S, are you inspired to cook anything
>in particular? Perhaps everyone's not like me, but I tend to reach for the
>mixing bowls instead of a guitar. Things I have made with them as soundtrack:
>
>- -- apricot buttermilk scones
>- -- blueberry waffles w/ fruit salad & whipped cream
>- -- roasted garlic, tomato & basil soup
>- -- the infamous caramel brownies

Oh and chocolate eclairs with custard..it take me half a day to make
them,but it's worth it...!

Pulp:
I haven't listened to the whole thing yet but 'Dishes' is so lovely...! That
song should really be about love,and not dishes,the music asks for it. And
the next big project for media is a 'film noir' and i get to be a femme
fatale.. Whoo sounds fun...we shall have 'This Is Hardcore' playing as  a
pair of legs emerge from a car...yeah,that nsaty teacher threw me out as a
Draculette 'bad attitude' 'missed rehearsal' missed? I was sick!! does she
expect me to just lie there contorted with pain while going 'I'm sorry the
bridge is outtttt' 
according to YM I am supposed to look in the mirror each mornin and go 'I am
all that and a bag of chips,I am all that and a bag of chips'

my happy mood is fading from a movie my parents are watching in the
background...'Rosewood' i think? I am feeling digust for the human race.I am
feeling angry so now i will have to listen to B&S..no other band has quite
teh comforting feeling....Stuart Murdoch should release of a cd of
lullabies.He is so soothing. 
more ym quizzes are in my head....what really bothers me is their
embarrasing moments...how come the school football team always happens to be
there? It's always 'I was in Peru rowing a boat,when i fell into a river,and
almost drowned,but when i looked up there was the football team laughing at
me because my shirt came up,they could see everything,i was so embarrased'
hey,thats legal in ottawa anyways...

i give you my love honeychild,
Genevieve ;)

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From blink at xxx.net  Thu Apr  9 03:33:08 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:33:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: well well
Message-ID: <199804090233.WAA21946@Vector.inexpress.net>

har har,*hej hej*
I've just discovered yet another picture planted my dear friend.Lately she
has been giving me pictures of men,the beefy baywatch type.I don't
know...does anyone hear know of the show Saved By The Bell? 
Zack attack!
Above A.C Slater's photo (the buffed up guy who always called his girlfriend
'hey mommma' where she's whip around and get all feminist on him?) is
scrawled Stuart Murdoch...what does she have against him? I get these notes
with a floating Stuart Murdoch head say 'help me genevieve,or i'll be
castrated at midnight'

xxxx's
Genevieve

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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Thu Apr  9 04:16:59 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:16:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sinister: and i'm just happy to be alive
In-Reply-To: <199804090222.WAA21786@Vector.inexpress.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980408221030.19287A-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>


> more ym quizzes are in my head....what really bothers me is their
> embarrasing moments...how come the school football team always happens to be
> there? It's always 'I was in Peru rowing a boat,when i fell into a river,and
> almost drowned,but when i looked up there was the football team laughing at
> me because my shirt came up,they could see everything,i was so embarrased'
> hey,thats legal in ottawa anyways...
  Why do so many YM moments have to do with bodily functions?

  "I was at the beach with my boyfriend.  He had his hand on my inner 
thigh, and, suddenly, he pulled a string from my bathing suit and it was 
my tampon!!!"

  "The captain of the football team was giving me a piggy back ride when 
suddenly the rest of the team came up and started tickling me!  I laughed 
so hard that I peed all over his jersey!!  And then I got my period!!"

  "I was eating dinner with my boyfriend's family at a really nice 
restaurant, when, suddenly, I burped really loud!  And then, when I stood 
up, I had gotten my period!!"

  "I went to my crush's house in the middle of the night to leave him a 
rose and candy.  Unfortunately, I tripped up a high-tech alarm system.  
As alarms blasted and lights flashed on and off, he came to his window, 
and saw me there.  To make matters worse, I had just gotten my period!  
Talk about supreme and utter humiliation!  Now he calls me Alarm Girl!"

  none of these are true.  Well, they didn't happen to me, at least.

  -Kristen 
  
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Wed Apr  8 20:23:16 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:23:16 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Right then...
Message-ID: <01bd6323$c7e1a160$LocalHost@itjfvkli>

Now that Tag has pissed off to Sweden, I feel it would be a good time to
revive an old Sinister tradition - gossiping about people behind their
backs! I tried it when Paul went to France, but no one took any notice. Any
takers this time around? I'm only joking of course.

I have a funny feeling no one's even reading this, except our friends in
Japan and Thailand, who presumably don't celebrate Easter. Which reminds me
of the saddest song of all time ever: There is a Green Hill Far Away.

My initiation into the world of reggae continues apace. After the dizzying
heights of Yabby You and The Congos, Horace Andy feels like a bit of a
letdown. Hopefully I'll get over it, it's always difficult to judge on first
listens, but it seems to lack the imposing authority of Yabby You and
friends, and the yearning plaintive quality of The Congos' beautiful
singing. Makes me want to be repatriated. On the plus side, there's a track
called "Ital Vital" that has something of a Pigeon Street vibe to it due to
the prominent use of syn-drums. So my question for reggae-ologists
everywhere is: What could possibly top Yabby You and The Congos?

Yay! Next week I'm (hopefully) going to the Pyrenees! Of course I'll be
keeping my eyes peeled for any sign of that bloodygreat St Bernard dog we
all know and love.

Peace List!

Peter

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  9 09:27:39 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:27:39 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: feel free to delete, i wont mind (much!) Grrrrrr
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> my sister saw Rainbow at the kings one year...oh dear. *and* jane and
> freddy had left by that time which would have made it ever more rubbish. 


they were never as good as deep purple anyway: even with jane and freddy

esapadrille

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  9 09:33:19 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:33:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: What's wrong with being sexy?
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25% of Swedish road accidents are caused by Moose, you
> know.  

blimey! I always said that sub-shoegazing cack had a lot to answer for...

(second dodgy / obscure band pun in ten minutes. I am truly sorry)

espadrille

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  9 10:22:59 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:22:59 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Right then...
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> 
> I have a funny feeling no one's even reading this, except our friends in
> Japan and Thailand, who presumably don't celebrate Easter.

plus our friend in cambridge who will, however, be another of our friends
in japan come october. Whoops: looks like i just made another
life-changing decision.

looks like it's just u and me out here.

espadrille

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  9 10:24:36 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:24:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Right then...
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help!!! i'm trapped on my own in the mailing list: the last 3 (now 4)
messages are all from me.. I'm talking to myself!!

aaaaaah!!!!

espadrille (of course: as if there's anybody else here: huh...)

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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Thu Apr  9 11:23:00 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:23:00 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Right then...
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Message text written by A.M.Horne;
>help!!! i'm trapped on my own in the mailing list: the last 3 (now 4)
>messages are all from me.. I'm talking to myself!!

aha. ahahahahahaha. i am here, skulking about reading your mails...bad, BAD
puns...shame on you! hehehe.

that's all, think i should get out more...

debbie xxx.
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From eng98ajo at xxx.se  Thu Apr  9 14:03:33 1998
From: eng98ajo at xxx.se (Anna Johansson)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:03:33 +0000
Subject: No subject
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Message-ID: <l03110700b1527236e8ff@[130.235.142.83]>

Well hello!
Here's a new face for you! Silly me, you can't even see my face, but well
I'll try to draw it the best I can :) there you go, but of course sometimes
it's more like :( and sometimes even in between. If you ever wake me up in
the morning, it looks like this %& but I really hope you won't ever have to
see that.
So maybe I should just quickly tell you a little bit about myself: I live
in the country of polarbears, professional snowball-fighters and people
with funny intonation when they speak English; Sweden! (But you'd already
guessed that hadn't you?)
At the moment I study at the University of Lund in the south of Sweden (and
to be honest I can'd see a single snowflake when I look out the window, but
I couldn't very well tell you that and ruin your image of Sweden? Ooops,
now I've done it anyway!)
In the last few months I have gone completely trumpet-crazy and I keep
playing the lovely trumpet-solo on Beautiful over and over again (and maybe
here's some news for you ( I thought that maybe if I bribe you with
information, you'll all start liking me, naah...): on the next B&S album
there's supposed to be particularly lovely trumpet solos on The Gate and
Dirty Dream Number Two, but maybe you all knew that?)
Well, well, as usual I have been babbling on, but I'll try to keep it
shorter in the future (don't believe a word I say).

So long and vi ses igen!     Anna


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From keith at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  9 12:43:02 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:43:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: So long and thanks for all the fish
Message-ID: <01bd63ac$a6da48d0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

Interesting one in this weeks NME. In an interview with Therapy?, Mark
Beaumont (the bloke who reviewed If you're feeling sinister in NME) asks one
of the members of Therapy? when the last time he punched someone for buying
a Belle and Sebastian album was. The drummer bloke says one of his mates
bought one recently and he was horrified, although the singer then points
out that he quite likes Belle and Sebastian.
    Not a lot to it really, except that you begin to wonder exactly where a
question like that popped up from if there isn't some sort of hidden agenda
going down in Mark Beaumont's head. From his original review of "If you're
feeling sinister" I got the impression he didn't like the idea of a band
coming along and drowning out the memory of some of his favourite bands -
which Belle and Sebastian are liable to do on account of them being
infinitely better.
    A few months ago Steve Sutherland from the NME said something to the
effect of "What is the point of Belle and Sebastian" , which I find a
particularly stupid question from a bloke who's worked for the music press
for nearly twenty years. I don't doubt he knows that the answer is that the
point is that they're a bunch of musicians who want to make records that
people will like - again, it's what's the motive for asking such a blatantly
daft question. It just makes me wonder whether or not they're trying to
force Belle and Sebastian to play the game and start doing interviews with
them. It'd be a pity, cause Melody Maker seem to have treated B+S with much
more respect, which I find annoying cause in my opinion it's a terrible
paper - indie guitar weekly, Steve Lamacq's fanzine etc.


    Anyway, I'm currently reading "Hammer of the Gods" (the Led Zeppelin
biography) which is the reason for the slightly cryptic title of this
message - I've left 10CC songs well behind now for email titles. It's a
cracking read, and if anyone in Scotland - or indeed Leamington Spa, has 3
quid spare then pop into Fopp and get a hold of it cause it's currently
going well cheap.

    Is the Bernard Butler album worth buying then? cause I bought the last
one, and it was the sort of thing that I thought I should like, but it
turned out in the end that it was almost all shite. The two singles and a
song called Disappointed were good though.

    Here's something I found evilly amusing the other day. I bumped into a
friend of mine at Tolcross in Edinburgh last Saturday night and he was
completely out of his brains staggering down the street from side to side,
I've never seen him that rubbered before, cause he never used to drink all
that much. So I'm asking him what he's been up to and he tells me that he's
been out drinking with Arab Strap!

Cheers,
    Keith.

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From aaedward at xxx.edu  Thu Apr  9 14:33:35 1998
From: aaedward at xxx.edu (angela edwards)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:33:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: something i can relate to
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980409082509.6433B-100000@topaz.iupui.edu>


	finally someone mentioned a show i know: i was addicted to Mathnet
	segments for a while. and was it fraggle rock with those
	underground muppets? i think it was.
	scarrie little suckers. 
	
	ok well, it's really too early and i'm falling back asleep and i
	have work in an hour. *sigh* everyone have a wonderous day never
	the less - a n g e l a

	oh yeah - finally heard something by nick drake (sort of). it was
	mingled in between sounds of techno, but i persevered and played
	my cd over the other one being played in a computer lab anyway,
	straining to heard what i've been missing for so long.

	so what do you recommend a novice nick drake fan starting off
	with? email me personally unless the list wants to be innundated
	with titles they alreadt own - g r a c i a s p o r l a ' l u v '

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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  9 14:36:40 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:36:40 +0100 
Subject: Sinister: something i can relate to
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> 	finally someone mentioned a show i know: i was addicted to Mathnet
> 	segments for a while. and was it fraggle rock with those
> 	underground muppets? i think it was.
> 	scarrie little suckers. 
> Fraggle Rock was classic kid's TV.  I love that show deeply.  It's the
> multi-layered thing happening with the really tiny people, the Fraggles,
> the giants and the human and dog.  Those differences of scale and frames
> of reference really make my day.  And the theme tune was really ace too.
> 	
>                               ByeBye,
>                                            Liz
> (edaplynr3n00297 at kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk)
> 
> ***********************
> silence
> 
> .is
> a
> looking
> 
> bird: the
> 
> turn
> ing; edge, of
> life
> 
> (inquiry before snow
> 
>         e.e. cummings
> ***********************
> 
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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  9 14:56:50 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 14:56:50 +0100
Subject: Sinister: So long and thanks for all the fish
References: <01bd63ac$a6da48d0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>
Message-ID: <352CD3A2.985DEC7@easynet.co.uk>

Keith Watson wrote:

> It'd be a pity, cause Melody Maker seem to have treated B+S with much
> more respect, which I find annoying cause in my opinion it's a
> terrible
> paper - indie guitar weekly, Steve Lamacq's fanzine etc.
>

Up until the back-end of last year I'd have completely disagreed. I buy
music papers for two main purposes - reviews and release/tour news. The
latter is handled well by both papers, but let's face it you'd bleeding
well hope so. As to the former, the quality of reviews is based on two
things - what get's reviewed (i.e. 'breadth' of music) and who reviews
'em. IMO the Melody Maker has always had a broader, more eclectic range
of reviewed music. This is I'm sure in no small part due to the quality
of writers. The likes of Price, Kulkarni, Parkes, Roberts etc. piss all
over anything the NME has had for years. They're much better at using
the English language to describe the music and their own responses to
it, and they're reference points more accurate and frequently
original.They're also openly at odds with the sort of thing that seems
to piss you off - an unhealthy concentration on all things indie. Price
and Kulkarni are constantly berating the readership for their lazy ass
musical choices (cf. Price describing them as 'indie pond-life' in a TLC
review). I guess my overall point is, yes, there's lots of shit in the
MM. But at least there's something worth reading.

Unfortunately the latter part of the above should, in keeping with my
first sentence, have been in the past tense. These guys don't seem to
write much anymore. I've stopped buying MM. So Keith, you're probably
right. Cock it.

regards,

yerluvinuncleTurt


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From mick at xxx.com  Thu Apr  9 15:04:14 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:04:14 -0400
Subject: Sinister: B&S' Instruments
References: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980409082509.6433B-100000@topaz.iupui.edu>
Message-ID: <352CD55E.16B1CA07@indiepop.com>

Hello there,
	I was reading that bit about Miss Johansson's love of such and such
trumpet part in Beautiful, and I got to thinking. You all know very well
that B&S has a lovely set of instrumentation. I guess that's one of the
benefits of being an octet (or were they more numerous at last count?).
It occurs to me, though, that there are still some instruments that
haven't been featured in B&S songs that ought to. Sure, we've heard
cello, violin, trumpet, electric organs, harmonicas, pianos, but there
are some other possibilities. What about an accordian? I recently saw a
musical performance by a trio of accordianists called the Three
Accordians of the Apocalypse. This has led me to understand that an
accordian can be quite a sad instrument, if used correctly. I would hope
they wouldn't use it a happy manner, because that just wouldn't seem to
fit them. Am I the only one who's ever wanted a P!O!P band to use steel
drums to some effect? That would be pretty nice. Maybe a steel drum solo
or something. Anyhow, can anyone else come up with some other
possibilities? Clarinet? Hm, there's another one...
 
 /"\_/"\_/"\    Mick McMick - mick at indiepop.com - ICQ#5056758
 \         /    Sandcastle Records - sandcastlerecords at indiepop.com 
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  |       |          Some just happen to like a lot of sugar in it!" 
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From 9337381b at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  9 16:22:59 1998
From: 9337381b at xxx.uk (Andrew James Bonar)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:22:59 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Fraggles!!!
Message-ID: <29E0A862002@student.gla.ac.uk>

Someone mentioned fraggles, right?
Well, it was the Doozers (the really tiny thangs) that I felt sorry 
for.  They spent the entire time making things out of this weird 
clear plastic stuff (Where did it come from-did they EXCRETE it??!!), 
and these truly magnificent pieces of far-out architecture were 
invariably crushed, or in some cases eaten, by passing Fraggles.
I think there's some kind of message for everyone there.....

See y'all around,

Andrew B.
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From cleonard at xxx.COM  Thu Apr  9 15:57:06 1998
From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:57:06 +0100
Subject: Sinister: B&S' Instruments
Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=Murray_Johnstone%l=CARDHU-980409145706Z-12357@cardhu.murrayj.com>

"All right" to the boys
"Hiya" to the girls
Jon G and Bethey get a patronising ruffle of the hair.  Would you like
to see some puppies?

mick mc mick said
>>Maybe a steel drum solo
      >or something.

Indeed.  Timpani solos in pop songs are top and nice one, as I found out
the other day when I listened to a record which contained a timpani solo
in a pop song.  "That's strikingly original and effective" i said out
loud, to my Venus Fly Trap which I have named "Worms Hero".  

And Kazoos are in.  Like in crosstown traffic and the ultimate in kazoo
soloing "Ducks on a pond" by the incredible string band.  

Oh the string band, I love them so.  Robin Williamson from the string
band has mastered over 37 instruments including the wine glass, don't
you know.  And the clarsach, the loveliest thing in the whole wide world
except maybe Mary Poppins, didn't I tell you.  Cor Blimey Mary
Poppinnnnns. And theramins are ace.  B&S should invest.  That almost
rhymes.  And bits of wood like the Tom Waits band play.   Woodies.

And who was it eh 13th Floor Elevators who played the electric jug?
That's a great noise, pretty juggy as you might expect.  Gettin juggy
wit it big willy style.

Talking of which, I can't stop thinking about that George Michael
headline in the sun - "zip me up before you go go".  It's starting to
really irritate me now.  It's good to know that George is no different
from the rest of us.  Oops.  Sorry, it just slipped out.

hmm.  Ok Dokey Scots Picnic people, what if a hard rain falls - can we
go to the pub then?

Fond Regards.
Leonard DiButterboy




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From thaiant at xxx.gov  Thu Apr  9 16:57:50 1998
From: thaiant at xxx.gov (Thaian N Ton )
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:57:50 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Only 1 Thing
Message-ID: <352CEFF9.12733AD9@pop.nci.nih.gov>

I just thought I'd mention the Tweedle bugs while we were on tiny things
that Jim Henson animated.  They were funky, cos they didn't know when to
get under shelter when it started raining and they lived in that flower
box in Ernie and Bert's place.

Ah nostalgia!

The Birthday Girl, Wee Chi Chi (A big 23!)
xxx

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From mbgustat at xxx.net  Thu Apr  9 17:00:33 1998
From: mbgustat at xxx.net (Mike Gustat)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 12:00:33 -0400
Subject: Sinister: The Doozers!
References: <29E0A862002@student.gla.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <352CF0A1.1A64@idt.net>

The pipes used by the Doozer's were made from RADISHES!
The Fraggles DID eat Doozer constructions.  Now Fraggles, as you may
remember, would attempt radish thievery from the Gorge's garden. The
wholesome radish was THE food of choice of the Fraggle.  Fraggles did
not know why they enjoyed eating The Doozer's construction.  The secret
was the radish.  

Fondly n' All,
     Mike
 
(my fave fraggle was Boober)
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From afoley at xxx.com  Thu Apr  9 17:51:57 1998
From: afoley at xxx.com (afoley at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:51:57 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Topic of the Day..
Message-ID: <802565E1.005C556C.00@csc.com>

Chris Leonard wrote:
>Talking of which, I can't stop thinking about that George Michael
>headline in the sun - "zip me up before you go go".  It's starting to
>really irritate me now.  It's good to know that George is no different
>from the rest of us.  Oops.  Sorry, it just slipped out.

Sorry, No B&S content, but on the above note, I thought I'd share with you
something
else I heard today:
George is to re-record an old hit of his, so to speak...It's going to be
called
Careless Wrister.

And on that bombshell, I'm out of here.
have a great Easter/long weekend/weekend whatever,
Love from Ady,

PS - Is it snowing in Scotland?
And if so can you see a fox.....


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From rod at xxx.com  Thu Apr  9 18:29:39 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:29:39 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Topics?  Picnics?  It's all bloody chocolate around here.
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Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980409180509.24464A-100000@govannon>

On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 afoley at csc.com wrote:

> Sorry, No B&S content, but on the above note, I thought I'd share with you
> something
> else I heard today:
> George is to re-record an old hit of his, so to speak...It's going to be
> called
> Careless Wrister.

Also doing the rounds on uk.misc:

Careless Wanker
Wank Me Off Before You Go-Go.

Oh, and the rumour that Mr Theodopolopolus was found with a chocolate bar
shoved up his arse.  That would be a Careless (yes, you've guessed it...)
Wispa.

I suppose it'll be another week or so before someone comes up with
something funny.

Personally, I don't see what all the fuss is about.  I mean... who can
honestly say that they haven't been walking down the street at some point,
and had to suddenly rush in to a public lav for an unexpected five
knuckle shuffle?

<ferris bueller teacher>
Anyone?  Anyone?
</ferris bueller teacher>

Isn't that new Jesus And Mary Chain single just incredibly fantastic? 
'specially the fourth track ("McDonalds is shit, McDonalds is shit, Burger
King is it, McDonalds is shit")  The new Snuff EP isn't bad (not enough
punk bands employ a brass section), but wasn't worth the five quid Fopp
were asking for it.  <silence... in the distance, a bell tolls> Oh, and
some Fraggles Did You Knows... 

All bits involving humans were different for the different countries
showing FR.  Uncle Travelling Matt's postcards were all done separately,
and each locale had a different human living on Fraggle Rock.  In Britain
it was the lighthouse keeper whereas in North America he was an inventor. 
They all owned a dog called Sprockett, though.  (except for France where
he was called Croquette.  FACT!) 

The aim of the show was to educate kids.  Jim Henson's vision was to have
all children growing up, learning tolerance to people who appeared
different, but really just were the same inside.  Hence the three distinct
colonies on the island - the Doozers (who relied upon the Fraggles to eat
their structures), the Fraggles (who relied upon the Doozers for the
Doozersticks and the Gorgs for the radishes), and the Gorgs (who seemed
really mean, but we soon discovered that Junior was just as big a softy as
Bobo, Wembley, Boober, Moky or Red.) 

Wembley was named after Wembley Stadium, because Jim Henson was in England
during development, and happened to be reading the sports page while they
were trying to come up with names.


I should explain that Jim Henson is one of my heroes (along with Larry
Wall.  Go fig!), so I've read loads of books about his work.  I cannot
recommend highly enough "Jim Henson: The Works", published by Random
House.  Big, glossy and full of photos of his art.  It even explains how
Kermit the Frog rode a bicycle in The Muppet Movie.

Rod.

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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Thu Apr  9 18:36:12 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:36:12 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The names have been changed to protect the innocent, chicka-chick-a, beat dis.
Message-ID: <352D070C.57E6@Gold.globalcafe.co.uk>

Re Jon g & betheys 'Kenickie' names:

 Raphael Blonqvist for jon & Sabine Martinique for bethey.   Obviously.

 By the by, my dad's flatemate in the Eighties who went mad and ran off
to open a marxist bookshop in Finsbury park was called Jon Gee.  Any
relation?

 P.S. Is the Anna Johannsen who recently mailed the same Anna Johannsen
who used to live in Covent Garden and was friends with Trina? If so
helloooooooo! It's Rory! Yes, that Rory, small world eh? If not
helloooooooo! You've absolutely no idea who I am.

 Stay lucky, Rory xxx
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From jeepster.uk at xxx.net  Thu Apr  9 15:16:57 1998
From: jeepster.uk at xxx.net (Katrina House)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 15:16:57 +0100
Subject: Sinister: B&S' Instruments
References: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980409082509.6433B-100000@topaz.iupui.edu> <352CD55E.16B1CA07@indiepop.com>
Message-ID: <352CD859.C1F16BEB@virgin.net>

Mick McMick wrote:

> Anyhow, can anyone else come up with some other
> possibilities? Clarinet? Hm, there's another one...

i tried to offer my 3 years of high-school clarinet experience to the
band ... they said no obviously.  it's not that i'm a bad clarinetist or
anything though ... (oi, david ... shush!)

Katrina.
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From tangent at xxx.net  Thu Apr  9 20:14:00 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 20:14:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: melody maker and lost fanzines
References: <01bd63ac$a6da48d0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk> <352CD3A2.985DEC7@easynet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <352D1DF8.992D8E8B@lineone.net>

all this talk of music papers... made me think again of a long lost,
shall i call him friend, i think i shall, although he was more the
duchesses friend, at least he lived across the road, um, shall i get to
the point? yes.  jamie t conway, he wrote for the Melody Maker for a
while, he wrote about B&S simply ages ago, told us all they were the
prettiest poets in the land or something. And we agreed.  Anyway, here's
my point, and i know it's a long shot, but does anyone here maybe know
where Jamie is now? i wrote him a while back at his parents old house
and the maker and got no response, and i'd really like to get in touch
with him, not least because he has a big pile of my old
fanzines/magazines and a Fatima Mansions mini-LP and a GREAT live
Go-Betweens tape.  Sigh. I know it's a strange request but then i've met
so many old friends through mailing lists (as well as making new ones!)
i thought i'd give it a go.

keep the faith kids.

the duke

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From blink at xxx.net  Thu Apr  9 22:08:15 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:08:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: you name the drama and i'll play the part
Message-ID: <199804092108.RAA17999@Vector.inexpress.net>

Allo puddin cups,
i'm supposed to be spring cleaning but i jsut can't do it..and oh
dear..please help me..my younger brother is bringing his friend over and i
can't bear him,one irritating boy is enough..not too...they jump and pull
hair and tear everything apart....
>these days i have been scrawling "belle&sebastian are god" on my desks in
>class in the hopes that someone in another class will see it, understand and
>search me out. however, so far this has proven to be in vain.. i don't know
>one person in my school who likes them, unless ive introduced them to b&s
>myself. well, boo for them cos it's my last year there anyway!

I wrote 'Seeing Other People
 on the desk in physical science and this girl (who i later found out i knew
all along) thought it was the most beautiful thing and she went on to give
her own poems which also had the lines 'a hand over my mouth a hand over the
window' well soemthing like that anyways.Then she told me she had her
boyfriends name tattooed on her butt.I want a tattoo.

>Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:16:59 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Schaffenberger <kschaffe at xxx.edu>
>Subject: Re: Sinister: and i'm just happy to be alive

>  "I went to my crush's house in the middle of the night to leave him a 
>rose and candy.  Unfortunately, I tripped up a high-tech alarm system.  
>As alarms blasted and lights flashed on and off, he came to his window, 
>and saw me there.  To make matters worse, I had just gotten my period!  
>Talk about supreme and utter humiliation!  Now he calls me Alarm Girl!"
>
>  none of these are true.  Well, they didn't happen to me, at least.
>
>  -Kristen 

my mother got me a magazine from england once,and it was like a brit version
of ym.Their embarassing moments are really different.It's like 'i was on the
bus,and i sat down on some gum,ohmigod!' It's annoying,but not
embarassing...anyways the American ones,like Kristen said...it's true it's
always bodily functions.And  dares they do! 'my friends dared me to run
around naked on the front lawn singing 'i've got rhythm i've got music,i've
got my gal who could ask for anything more?'...and after i had,the football
was there laughing,cos they could see everything' Well,if you're bold enough
to  take all your clothes off for the neighbours,what's a couple of football
players? But sometimes there are happy endings "one day i puked in front of
my whole geography class,and this total hottie thought it was sweet.He calls
me Vomit Girl and we've been going out ever since" or 'my best friend and I
had a major crush on the same boy.When she told me,I was so devastated that
I killed her with my bare hands.But the next morning,everyone was talking
about it,and the boy I liked didn't want to go with me cause I was a "crazy
assed ho".I was so embarrased I wanted to die'
 And why are those girls so stupid? They really do give us a bad name 'dear
kimmie,my boyfriend licked my toe,does this mean i'm pregnant?'
sigh

>Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:24:36 +0100 (BST)
>From: "A.M. Horne" <amh20 at xxx.uk>
>Subject: Re: Sinister: Right then...
>
>help!!! i'm trapped on my own in the mailing list: the last 3 (now 4)
>messages are all from me.. I'm talking to myself!!
>
>aaaaaah!!!!
>
>espadrille (of course: as if there's anybody else here: huh...)

I think I'm alone here too...why doesn't anyone come to sinister and chat
with me! Whenever I go there,no-one is there...and when there ARE lovely
people I always have to leave.
The cosmic forces are at work...i was supposed to go soemwhere today (and
really the only reason for me wanteing ot go there was to a see a certain
person) but i couldn't go today and it turns out that person wasn't
there,and he is ALWAYS there...the day i don't go..he's not there...Cosmic
Forces!!!!
I shall be conducting an experiment...

I want to go on vacation.Everyone's always somewhere,my brother's in
Japan,and he was just in AustraliaI've never gone to Europe.I've only stayed
in the Americas...and that's not really true,because i haven't even gone to
South America.Which is a shame,i would like to go to Brazil.I played Go Fish
with a boy from Brazil once,he was so sweet he'd always say 'go fish darling'
Well I will be going to England in 2 years so that comforts me,yeah sleeping
in ditches...my Welsh friend told me i can sleep on grassy hills...it's all good

ramble ramble ramble....
xoxoxo
Genevieve

oh what a hell of a show
but what i want to know
what exactly do you do for an encore?

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From John.Johnston at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 10 00:19:22 1998
From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:19:22 +0100
Subject: Sinister: kitsch n' sink
Message-ID: <199804092319.AAA21629@hgty.capgemini.co.uk>

Popkids

There's been some talk about people liking teen bands in an ironic
ooh-it's-funky-but-really-it's-crap-but-I-love it kind of way. But I've
never seen anything as ironic as the line up at the club I went to last
night. Lenny Beige at the Regency Rooms is a sort of easy listening club
so ironic nineties sensibilites are a must but with a bill including Leo
Sayer (small man - big hair, even now), 'veteran hoofer' Lionel Blair
and Robbie "Show us yer nobbie" Williams (who made topical gags about
George Michael and someone he refered to as 'Gary') resistance was
useless. Now cool-hipster irony is fine but I say you can't beat a good
honest good time. But I was having a good time, I'm sure of it. With Leo
bounding round the venue grabbing girls and singing "You make me feel
like dancing" it was brilliant. And Williams - he was superb. So he may
be marketed, and guilty of all the grotesque sins of capitalist popmusic
but by thunder he's showbiz! He rocked that room like there's no
tommorrow. And sure  it said nothing to me about my life but it was
great!

Genevieve - please don't get a tattoo at least not of anybody's name.
The coolest tattoo I've ever heard of was a 'friend of a friend' who had
a tattoo on his toe. It said "toe". How cool is that?? Perhaps you could
get 'bum' tattooed on your bum - that'd be great.

xx
John
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From Ayacolor at xxx.com  Fri Apr 10 04:19:59 1998
From: Ayacolor at xxx.com (Ayacolor)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:19:59 EDT
Subject: Sinister:sad song(we have no easter but goldenweek!)
Message-ID: <ab011450.352d8fe1@aol.com>

Well,I was thinking about "the song makes me cry"
It's not a sad song. I cried when I saw my Brother's wedding. Because of
beauty and joy !  Not sad. 
The song I listed up in my mind were 
Twiggy - When I think of you
Pizzicato Five - tokyo-paris/ma vie,I'ete de vie
Doris - you made a fool of me
B&S - get me away from here I'm dying
Denki Groove - niji
Ben Lee - grammercy park hotel
Let's cut last 2 songs because this song were "too beautiful" kind of
selection.
Sorry but that's it.
I cried A LOT in these songs. When I'm listening these, I think of my blody X-
whoever or my crazy hopeless life. Or my boy friendS I miss.(isn't this matter
goes to "too beautiful" thnigy?)
The word is relate to my life as
"My favorite record end so fast every time." pizzicato5
Everything have end, makes me cry. I know but that.

I live happy life nothing is changing absolute.
As usual,I'm highly optimisic.
"My car crushed in LA" - none of us harts = good, good experiments!
"I can't take language class10 weeks in Washington States because of visa
stuff" - I don't need to live boring days in boreing village such a long time.
= good! (if it was LA, not good) And I still can go to see Brian Jonestown.

So~ next is HAPPY SONG?

Did I made you sad?
Oh sorry I'll send you happy song later.
ayaXX
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From escossia at xxx.br  Fri Apr 10 04:45:33 1998
From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:45:33 -0300
Subject: Sinister: The Mending Wall 
Message-ID: <01bd6433$1dac9040$cb7defc8@default>



The songs are fairly sad.  The music is fairly quiet. 
The vocals are fairly hushed.  The tone is fairly somber.

Although the sound of this new group is still coming together, the songs are written in the vein of Belle & Sebastian, The Secret Stars, Elliot Smith, Low, and others in this end of the musical spectrum -- that is to say, sparse, melancholy pop.  The instrumentation of The Mending Wall provides a somewhat-orchestral vibe to the sound. 
    The Mending Wall came about when, after moving from a Durham farmhouse to a Carrboro apartment  complex, Gary began writing quiet songs on an acoustic guitar.  Most of  these wouldn't work with his other band of the time, Gumption.  Armed with the idea to put a new band  together for these songs, he posted a message to alt.music.chapel-hill.  Based on the initial response, The Mending Wall was going to be a big band -- at one point eight people.  After dropping to three and then bouncing up and down for a few months, the group settled to four participants. This will probably change semi-regularly.  But, for now the line up is as follows:. 
    
     
                a.. Heather Russell - oboe, pennywhistle, recorder, vocals 
        b.. Pete Lucey - accordion, organ 
        c.. Gary Miller - acoustic guitar, vocals 
        d.. David Schulman - violin, viola 
         
        Each member has other musical activities.  Heather is a solo artist and also lends her talents to various recording projects in the area.  Gary, Pete, and David were all in the western-swinging Earl Wells and the Gushers, a wonderful little combo that no longer exists. Gary played in Gumption for close to three years.. 
    

Taken from

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From Runegg at xxx.com  Fri Apr 10 09:25:31 1998
From: Runegg at xxx.com (Runegg)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 04:25:31 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Magda, don't forget to milk the goats
Message-ID: <2c5aebf.352dd77d@aol.com>

Hi sinisterines.  I've also never cried to a song, though I could list lots of
beautiful cry-worthy songs, songs that made me sad, wistful, nostalgic, angry,
dance-happy, etc., etc..  "What songs make you cry?" implies that you cry
habitually over the same songs.  I don't, myself.  I did cry once listening to
a song, but the song was a trigger.  It was a "Mystere des Voix Bulgares" song
whose Bulgarian lyrics were something like, "Hey Magda, don't forget to milk
the goats," but the music is intensely beautiful and started me crying so much
I had to pull over the car I was driving; but it was my mom's car I was
driving, and it was a tape I'd given her, and it was the first Christmas Eve
since she'd been killed in an accident.  So that's why I was crying.  Maybe
that's too personal for a mailist list......  fuck it.  
love all you people because it's fun,
Ari
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 10 11:41:06 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:41:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: So long and thanks for all the fish
In-Reply-To: <352CD3A2.985DEC7@easynet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980410113938.26861A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

Chris Roberts now writes for Uncut, after having edited Icon for a while
(it folded, sadly, after four issues).

He also edited a book of journlaism / worship of various artists.

his review of Debbie Harry's borderline gigs in 1989 / 1990 was a work of
genius.

espadrille

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 10 11:42:41 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:42:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: So long and thanks for all the fish
In-Reply-To: <352CD3A2.985DEC7@easynet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980410114114.26861B-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

oh, and i forgot to mention his band, catwalk: that's why he orignially
left mm - nobody was doing pop the way he wanted it to be, so he decided
to do it himself.

never heard any of their records. saw the first, the damascus ep, cheap
once, but stupidly didn't bother to buy it. wish i had.

espadrille (again)

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 10 11:45:26 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:45:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Topics?  Picnics?  It's all bloody chocolate around here.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980409180509.24464A-100000@govannon>
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> 
> Isn't that new Jesus And Mary Chain single just incredibly fantastic? 
> 'specially the fourth track ("McDonalds is shit, McDonalds is shit, Burger

indeed: pissed myself laughing when the lyrics finally came in (track 4)

espadrille

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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 10 12:58:15 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:58:15 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Thick tw*t
Message-ID: <352E0957.1B9E0D1B@easynet.co.uk>

Ian Turton wrote:

> ... and they're reference points more accurate and frequently

oh jesus, sweet jesus. 'they're reference'. You thick twat. I am so
sorry.


regards,

yourarsinuncleTurt


ps. underneath the subject line 'Thick tw*t' my Netscape mailer says
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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 10 13:15:10 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:15:10 +0100
Subject: Sinister: What a top day
Message-ID: <01bd647a$4ed6a740$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

What a lovely day it is today. Quite quiet at work, hardly anyone's in at
work, it looks like there's going to be a deal done in Northern Ireland
that'll finally set something in stone and hopefully lead to peace, and
we're grooving to the sounds of Curtis Mayfield in the office.

    Thanks to people for letting me know about the Bernard Butler album,
I'll probably go and get it sometime soon, having said that Massive Attack's
out on Monday, so I'll definitely be getting that. That'll be ace.

    It's just as well we're not having the picnic tomorrow in 12 inches of
snow. I hope the weather clears up a bit by the end of April.

    Cheers,
        Keith.



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From rclander at xxx.net  Fri Apr 10 04:18:03 1998
From: rclander at xxx.net (Richard Lander)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:18:03 +0800
Subject: Sinister: ...The audience at a Bros concert
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-----Original Message-----
From: PJMiller <pjmiller at xxx.es>
To: B&S mailing list <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 08 April, 1998 2:22
Subject: RE: Sinister: ...The audience at a Bros concert


>That blond bloke said:
>
>>Saw Rod Hull & Emu live once at the Kings Theatre in Embra.  They weren't
>>very good though.
>
>
>You sick bastard, Rod. I saw the dynamic duo in Coventry, starring in Emu
in
>Pantoland. They were magnificent. And the late great Billy Daintee was even
>better. The people sitting next to me may have wondered what I was
on....EMU
>POWER of course.


Ahh I never thought I would live to see the day when Billy Daintee [or was
it Dainty] would be mentioned on the list. Does anyone have any memories of
seeing or meeting any  other dead British or American comedians? Criteria
for this... they must be dead and of not too greater fame. Billy Daintee
size fame probably describes that best.

Sorry Paul for cluttering the list with non-B&S but apart from the one new
song [well done jon g for capturing it for your site] theres just not much
going on is there.

Richard

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From thaiant at xxx.gov  Fri Apr 10 17:25:35 1998
From: thaiant at xxx.gov (Thaian N Ton )
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:25:35 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Stuart David's Treehouse
Message-ID: <352E47FD.3CADEDBD@pop.nci.nih.gov>

Hello beautiful listees,

today i'm just slightly temperamental, prolly cos the weather is oh-so
grey and i've been listening to the very hardcore pulp album this
morning.  i thought everyone would like to know about Stuart David's
treehouse web project-- forwarded to me by a very thoughtful Canadian.
I don't know if anything had been mentioned yet ... but oh well,
repetition is a good way of getting word about.

ta ta,

wee chi chi xxx


*****



hello darling!

thought this might interest you :)

pompier
4273 st-dominique               phone: (514) 286-9068
montreal, quebec                email: aaf549 at agora.ulaval.ca
H2W 2A9, canada

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:37:01 -0700
From: Jenny Hayo <jennyh at xxx.com>
Reply-To: college-radio at list.pitt.edu
To: college-radio at list.pitt.edu
Subject: CR-List: stuart david's treehouse project

Belle and Sebastian fans, Stuart David has a new project.  here's the
web
site,
www.treehouse.clara.net

The Treehouse will be officially opening on
the 1st June 1998. For the opening we will
have, amongst other things, an exclusive
acoustic session from Isobel of Belle and
Sebastian in the theatre, and a serialisation
of Stuart David's novel in the books
section. Hope to see you there...




**********
Sub Pop Records
206.441.8441 ext 3086
JennyH at subpop.co
http://www.subpop.com
**********



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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 10 16:55:47 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:55:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Rock Family Treehouses (some of my best friends are 25 minutes long)
Message-ID: <01bd6499$208bf920$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

>The Treehouse will be officially opening on
>the 1st June 1998. For the opening we will
>have, amongst other things, an exclusive
>acoustic session from Isobel of Belle and
>Sebastian in the theatre, and a serialisation
>of Stuart David's novel in the books
>section. Hope to see you there...


Forgot about this actually, but you reminded me here. I'm told we're getting
a ROCK family tree of Belle and Sebastian on the web site at some point.
That's a *ROCK* family tree. Because Belle and Sebastian are a *Tight ROCK
outfit*.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From susannah at xxx.net  Fri Apr 10 19:03:17 1998
From: susannah at xxx.net (susannah)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 18:03:17 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Northern Ireland
Message-ID: <980410180317.n0010958.tormentor@mail.clara.net>


On good friday too! , what a piece of history, now *this* is something that will
make me cry.
Theres been over 3,000 people killed in the last 30 years as a direct result of
the tension .
But they've captured a deal, what a moment, what a day.
And the snow is falling....

Lastly a few words from Northy:

Peace man.

susannah.
xxxxx

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From TWidmer at xxx.com  Fri Apr 10 19:08:20 1998
From: TWidmer at xxx.com (Tara Widmer)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:08:20 -0700
Subject: Sinister: brazil
Message-ID: <81C1FB3F4D1ED111A51400805FC1DF0313CD18@amerwksnt01.xil.com>

<<Which is a shame,i would like to go to Brazil.I played Go Fish
with a boy from Brazil once,he was so sweet he'd always say 'go fish
darling'>>

you really must go, genevieve, it's lovely!!! don't let people scare you
saying how dangerous it is or anything, I think the most frightening
thing I encountered were all the old potbellied men in speedo trunks on
the beaches.

would any brasileiro sinisterines be interested in doing me a favor, i
need some portuguese translation work done?  In return I can send some
B&S EPs... e-mail me privately if interested. 
(Joao, voce nao recebeu as ultimas cartinhas que eu te mandei ainda???
(como se fala "e-mail" em portgues?) Estou esperando seu resposta...)

Happy hols everyone!!  now would be an opportune time to bring back the
happy bunnies tagline don't you think?

ta,
tara



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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 10 19:57:25 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:57:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I'm melting, I'm meeelllllllllllllltingggggg.
Message-ID: <352E6B95.711F@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>

Is anyone planning to go to 'Meltdown' on the South Bank this year?
John Peel's compiling, Spiritualized are confirmed and it looks like
it'll be amazing.

 Stay lucky, Rory xxx (Jesus!, I managed to get through a whole message
without using brackets once.)





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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Fri Apr 10 20:22:59 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:22:59 -0400
Subject: Sinister: there is eloquence in screaming
Message-ID: <199804101523_MC2-3991-9D21@compuserve.com>

ok, i'm just watching Top of the Pops (yeh, i know its shit just now, but
its a tradition, alright? like doing the nme crossword with kenneth on a
thursday, though they should never have moved TOTP to a friday..), but
anyhoo, what i was going to say was; HOW scary and horrible are Page &
Plant??!! I mean, what is the point in them any more, except for yer dads
to reminisce over? Someone should just tell them to stop, they've gone well
past their sell-by-date...and Daniel O'Donnel is at no. 7!!! ahahahahaha
has everyone gone mad? looks like it.

Please don't anyone start accusing me of being ageist i just think people
should know when to stop, ie. after they've reached their peak (did Daniel
O'Donnel have one?) and shouldn't keep flogging a dead horse, or indeed,
the ground where a dead horse used to lie... having said that, Aaron Carter
should give up NOW, even if he is only 7 hehehehe.

can you guess that i'm ever so slightly bored? as i've previously said,
there are sooo many ways of avoiding studying...think i'll go and gaze out
the window for a while. although eastenders is on soon...

Debbie xxx.

PS; there were about 2 inches of snow outside my house last night... no
foxes though. shame.

'THE TRAGEDY OF IT IS THAT NOBODY SEES THE LOOK OF DESPERATION ON MY FACE.
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF US, AND WE'RE PASSING ONE ANOTHER WITHOUT A LOOK
OF RECOGNITION'.
-Henry Miller
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From C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 10 23:31:02 1998
From: C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk (CMD LOO)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:31:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Paris and Brussels
In-Reply-To: <001101bd4f47$1fe02ee0$dc4ae8c3@default>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980410232651.2341C-100000@merlin.cen.brad.ac.uk>

Hiya Sinisterians

Hello and Happy Easter to everyone.

Im making my way to Paris and Brussels this June.  Can anyone spare me
some info about the cheap BnBs/Hotels in these 2 countries?  Can anyone
let me know the places of interests too and most importantly, any good
record shops?

Thank you for your time.

Cheers

D    A    N    I    E    L    O    O


                  "It takes Strength to be GENTLE and KIND"
                  M    O    R    R    I    S    S    E    Y
        

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From escossia at xxx.br  Sat Apr 11 00:58:58 1998
From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:58:58 -0300
Subject: Sinister: Hefner
Message-ID: <01bd64dc$a109d200$d17defc8@default>

http://www.toopure.com/news.htm#bandnews
  
    HEFNER are our newest signings and have been in the studio in Scotland with Tony Doogan of Belle and Sebastian fame. Sounding like Belle and Sebastian and the Violent Femmes all mixed up with Palace, Hefner are set to capture heart and souls. The album, Breaking God’s Heart will be out 15th June, preceded by two singles, Pull yourself together [20th April] and Love will destroy us in the end [18th May], though the first release on Too Pure will be a 5 track 10” ep entitled The Hefner Soul. Darren also has a short story in BOA, a fanzine which you should get hold of in any case for the sheer amount of brilliant records reviewed by Gayle Harrison.
             
    
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From rclander at xxx.net  Sat Apr 11 03:22:43 1998
From: rclander at xxx.net (Richard Lander)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:22:43 +0800
Subject: Sinister: ...The audience at a Bros concert
Message-ID: <01bd64f0$b5a8a920$22fd51ca@rclander.netfront.net>

On second thoughts its a bad idea. Forget I ever mentioned it. Sorry.

Richard


>Ahh I never thought I would live to see the day when Billy Daintee [or was
>it Dainty] would be mentioned on the list. Does anyone have any memories of
>seeing or meeting any  other dead British or American comedians? Criteria
>for this... they must be dead and of not too greater fame. Billy Daintee
>size fame probably describes that best.
>
>Sorry Paul for cluttering the list with non-B&S but apart from the one new
>song [well done jon g for capturing it for your site] theres just not much
>going on is there.
>
>Richard


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From kaori at xxx.org  Sat Apr 11 05:06:03 1998
From: kaori at xxx.org (Kaori Laird)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:06:03 +0900
Subject: Sinister: B&S spotting in Japan
Message-ID: <352EEC2A.3756CD93@laird.org>

Hello there,

Hope most of you are having nice easter holiday.
As Aya mentioned, our Japanese and Asian citizens are having just
another ordinary weekend.
But, even in the far east, we can share the joy of Northern Ireland
peace negotiation issue. That's  been a head line news here in Japan as
well. When I picked up newspaper this morning, I was almost
crying....well, I did cty a bit.
I know it's only the beginning, but I wish people will work it out for
the sake our precious lives.

By the way, I am reporting something very shocking and embarassing.
I was reading a Japanese music magazine and foung one of the record
shop's ads
selling B&S material.
At this record shop, all the standard cd single price is about 5 pounds
but
Dog On Wheels CD, they priced about 12 ponds saying "they are limited
and it's getting very difficult to find" Is this true? But I wonder 12
pounds is right price even it's so hard to get?
And more, They are selling LLPJ promotion video(?!) with the comment of
"very rare, promotion video made in '97". And the price is pathetic 30
pounds(!!!!!!!!!). THIRTY POUNDS!. for one song only and in PAL(in
Japan, we are on NTSC system). I guess this video is made from MTV or
other TV broadcasting stuff.
What a rip off!
But there must be some Japanese naive B&S fans here who are willing
spend on this kind of thing so the shameless people  can run their
business and keep making money from other people's pocket......

ta ta,
Kaori




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From ahalter at xxx.edu  Sat Apr 11 08:49:20 1998
From: ahalter at xxx.edu (ahalter)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:49:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: she always cries on sundays
Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.94.980411004348.19557A-100000@aludra.usc.edu>

lalala 
tonight i saw the beautiful pastels at last they played at a record shop
here in los angeles and it was so very lovely i talk to them afterwards
and they were all very polite and darling... i missed their show at the
club they played at here because i am a mere 19 instead of the 21+ that
was required...
it made me happy to see them especially because contrary to popular belief
not a lot of bands really come through los angeles and also there is a
lack of all ages clubs at the moment since most of them shut down towards
the later half of 1997...
i donot know why i am really telling all this but i just wanted to share
my happy pastels experience...
its late however and im running off at the mouth again...
its bedtime i think...

take care 
allison



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From vanessa.figueras at xxx.se  Sat Apr 11 21:23:04 1998
From: vanessa.figueras at xxx.se (Vanessa Figueras)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:23:04 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Fraggles!!!
References: <29E0A862002@student.gla.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <352FD127.9993ACE6@swipnet.se>

About the fraggels-issue,wasn't the stuff that the doozers used some
kind of sugar, 'cos the Fraggels kept eating it all the time, and my mum
always said that i would turn into a Fraggel if i ate too much sugar...
Which in my eyes was the best thing you could be so I'm still working very
hard to become one.
toodeloo, Vanessa

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From PKHINTZ at xxx.com  Sat Apr 11 21:29:51 1998
From: PKHINTZ at xxx.com (PKHINTZ)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:29:51 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastianopoly
Message-ID: <e804eaed.352fd2c1@aol.com>

Call it divine inspiration, call it the result of enjoying the post-
appendectomy painkillers too much, call it the bouncing of my feeble brain
against the inside of the skull as I faked a limp. . .

	Since we still have a few months before the new lp is to be released I
thought that there must be a way for us Sinisterines to entertain ourselves.
Imagine a Belle and Sebastian board game--B&Sopoly, if you will.  

For one to eight players.  Recomended for people 16 and up, preferably with
the life outlook of an 8 year old, the mind of a 15 year old, and the
weariness and sorrow of the human race.

For your game piece choose either a fox, a camera, a bus, a dog-on-wheels, a
piece of cake, an Elvis (whatever that is), a line, or a horse.

Instead of pieces of real estate to buy as in Monopoly, this board has places
that figure in the band's history and songs.  Featured sites are the
churchhouse, Kelingrove Park, the coffeehouse the members met, Union Chapel,
Gloucester Road, Manchester Town Hall, Liverpool, West 54th. Street studio,
etc.  

No "Go Directly to Jail" cards in this game; it would be replaced with "Chat
With Fans on IRC", or "Sit Down For Proper Interview".  (However, if you the
player decide not to show up to either, no one can make you.)

There would be other cards to be drawn in the course of the game.  Examples:
"Return to Manchester because Isobel left her rockstop", or "Lose turn while
searching for Lawrence from Felt in London".  

No money, play or real, would exchange hands during the coure of the
game--that would just be vulgar to sensitive sensibilities.  Unless of course,
you draw a card that offers you the chance to buy a copy of _Tigermilk_.  Then
it is a free for all.

The objective of the game?  There is none.  Move your piece around the board
for a few hours until you lose interest to do something more worthwhile, like
taking a nap, or writing a story or song. 

	Who else would like to play?			
			Living and loving
				Mr.	Matthew Manners
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From PKHINTZ at xxx.com  Sat Apr 11 21:30:15 1998
From: PKHINTZ at xxx.com (PKHINTZ)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:30:15 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Living the songs
Message-ID: <1f90e959.352fd2d9@aol.com>

	To continue in the tradition of living the Belle and Sebastian songs, I faked
a limp for the week, as per "PocketBook Angel".  After a week of recovery from
the dear parting of my appendix, I had to return to my temp office job on
Monday.  Although most of the employees and I usually ignore each other, that
day everyone wanted to talk to me about the surgery.  However, on Tuesday I
had lost the post-op appeal.  In an attempt to become popular again I faked a
slight limp; well, I _did_ still have a pain in my side from an incision.
However, I forgot which leg to put my weight on and started to put it on both.
The result was a walk that resembled a drunken stumble.  This did not win me
any more sought-after sympathy.  Now my co-workers and I have fallen back into
the much more comfortable socializing of murmuring hello as we pass in the
halls.  One of my cats has a limp; I am studying her movements now.  So,
instead of a drunken stupor-walk, I will be successfully limping soon. . . on
all fours though.  

	Often I am jealous of the cats when they lay in a pool of sunshine that
steals in through the windows.  

		Living and loving
				Matthew  
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From tinystar at xxx.com  Sun Apr 12 02:22:43 1998
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:22:43 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastianopoly
Message-ID: <v01540b01b155c6b9bc41@[172.16.1.146]>

>        Since we still have a few months before the new lp is to be released I
>thought that there must be a way for us Sinisterines to entertain ourselves.
>Imagine a Belle and Sebastian board game--B&Sopoly, if you will.
>
>For one to eight players.  Recomended for people 16 and up, preferably with
>the life outlook of an 8 year old, the mind of a 15 year old, and the
>weariness and sorrow of the human race.
>
>For your game piece choose either a fox, a camera, a bus, a dog-on-wheels, a
>piece of cake, an Elvis (whatever that is), a line, or a horse.

That's a *lazy* line, I'm sure.  Where does the terry underwear come in?
Perhaps a card could be drawn to take Jane out for tea, or to get up the
nerve to tell Elvis that your dad looks like him, or to buy a pair of jeans
that's 7-8 years old for String Bean Jean.  Oooh!  What fun!  That could be
a Passover/Easter Weekend project.


>
>        Who else would like to play?

Count me in.  Can I be the Dog-on-Wheels?  Please?  Pleeeeease?

saucy,
jessicaxo


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From Nrbqlover at xxx.com  Sun Apr 12 04:36:07 1998
From: Nrbqlover at xxx.com (Nrbqlover)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:36:07 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Hefner
Message-ID: <b05bab88.353036a9@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-04-10 20:07:08 EDT, you write:

<< HEFNER are our newest signings and have been in the studio in Scotland with
Tony Doogan of Belle and Sebastian fame. Sounding like Belle and Sebastian and
the Violent Femmes all mixed up with Palace, Hefner are set to capture heart
and souls. >>

let's not forget their first two INCREDIBLE 7"ers on BoogleWonderland-"A
Better Friend" and "Lee Remick". Both excellent slabs of vinyl.

clem lane
nrbqlover at aol.com
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From rclander at xxx.net  Sun Apr 12 03:36:01 1998
From: rclander at xxx.net (Richard Lander)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:36:01 +0800
Subject: Sinister: B&S spotting in Japan
Message-ID: <01bd65bb$c117e3e0$LocalHost@rclander.netfront.net>


>As Aya mentioned, our Japanese and Asian citizens are having just
>another ordinary weekend.


We have Easter holiday in Hong Kong. So now we have 6 listees in Asia. Me
and Gordon in HK. You, Aya and Kaz in Japan and Ooon in Thailand.

Anymore out there?

Richard...
rclander at netfront.net                                    ICQ: 4039573

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From tangent at xxx.net  Sun Apr 12 10:57:09 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:57:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: i, i, i, i, i, i love lee remick (she's a darlin')
References: <b05bab88.353036a9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <35308FF5.D466B925@lineone.net>

Nrbqlover wrote:

> let's not forget their first two INCREDIBLE 7"ers on
> BoogleWonderland-"A
> Better Friend" and "Lee Remick". Both excellent slabs of vinyl.

not a cover of the fantastic Go-Betweens song, surely?! Wouldn't that
just be... interesting :-) so are hefner really any good then?

intrigued,
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From jim.nisbet at xxx.com  Sun Apr 12 20:04:44 1998
From: jim.nisbet at xxx.com (Jim Nisbet)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:04:44 -0700
Subject: Sinister: B&S on the telly last week
Message-ID: <3531104C.21A9@dial.pipex.com>

Did anyone else see the compilation of bands from 'Don't Look Down' on 
Scottish Television last Thursday night/Friday morning?  It was on quite 
late, so maybe not.  I was pleasantly surprised to see B&S appear with I 
Could Be Dreaming.  Whilst most bands which were featured had been doing 
live performances in the studio, their contribution had been filmed 
elsewhere (and I'm not sure whether it was live or from the album - 
anybody know about this?).  The presenter also mentioned that Tigermilk 
was changing hands for £200!

Oh, and wasn't it a travesty that the recent BBC Scotland review of the 
last 25 years of Scottish rock and pop ignored B&S as one of the new 
bands to look out for.  They managed to mention Travis and the 
Supernaturals and that was it.

Jim

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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Sun Apr 12 12:36:35 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:36:35 +0100
Subject: Sinister: B&S on the telly last week
References: <3531104C.21A9@dial.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <3530A743.BBA7616D@virgin.net>

Jim Nisbet wrote:
> 
> Did anyone else see the compilation of bands from 'Don't Look Down' on
> Scottish Television last Thursday night/Friday morning?  It was on quite
> late, so maybe not.  I was pleasantly surprised to see B&S appear with I
> Could Be Dreaming.  Whilst most bands which were featured had been doing
> live performances in the studio, their contribution had been filmed
> elsewhere (and I'm not sure whether it was live or from the album -
> anybody know about this?).  The presenter also mentioned that Tigermilk
> was changing hands for £200!
> 
> Oh, and wasn't it a travesty that the recent BBC Scotland review of the
> last 25 years of Scottish rock and pop ignored B&S as one of the new
> bands to look out for.  They managed to mention Travis and the
> Supernaturals and that was it.
> 
> Jim

i think don't look down was recorded ages ago, before even the dog on
wheels video.
apart from performing i could be dreaming and chris geddes doing his
bobby gillespie dance, they also recorded a little piece with each of
the band members, a little biographical piece in the vein of 'why don't
you?' (an early morn old uk telly program, but lets not savage the list
with more telly reminiscence, you'd think it was all we ever did!).
	chris's piece was recorded in a football ground
	isobel's in a park, walking her dog
	stuart murdoch's in a bus station
	sarah martin put up in shelves in her new flat
i'm sure the others were there too, but i forget what they did, mick
cooke wasn't yet in b&s officially, and i don't think he got a bit in
the filming. but he did get mentioned on an album sleeve as the
filthiest mouthed of all of b&s.

david kitchen

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From blink at xxx.net  Sun Apr 12 15:39:35 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:39:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: c'mon and show me what you're made of...
Message-ID: <199804121439.KAA01350@Vector.inexpress.net>

Hello dearies!

>Genevieve - please don't get a tattoo at least not of anybody's name.
>The coolest tattoo I've ever heard of was a 'friend of a friend' who had
>a tattoo on his toe. It said "toe". How cool is that?? Perhaps you could
>get 'bum' tattooed on your bum - that'd be great.

Oh I wouldn't get anybodies name....I don't want anything flashy cause later
i'll be like 'why the hell did i get this!' A tattoo on your butt is a good
idea cause it's least painful...

I was very upset..I was going to my friends house and the Stuart David
lookalike was supposed to be over...but he couldn't go.I was going to get
him to listen to Belle and Sebastian.Now that's what i call a real
conversion,something I would be quite happy about...well actually,I think I
made a conversion (althought..perhaps there is a better word than
convert...I would prefer if they really discover it on their own terms...but
with a little push like 'hey borrow this album' the rest is up to them)
without realising it...I was playing a song by the go-betweens which I
personally think is fantastic when suddenly Arctic Woman (mother) stops the
car and goes 'this is awful! The singing,the music..ahhh the LYRICS! Awful
awful!' a little bit upset I put on B & S and it was right at the beginning
of Photo Jenny 'I'm in a mess I'm in a dress' Arctic Woman sighed happily
'Thankyou,some lyrics I relate with' and started singing along..this..ummm..
surprised me (Later that night I had this dream where I went into a record
store..and this guy that really annoys me who works there was suddenly
wearing eyeliner and ruffles like a new romantic and then AHHH..who's
working there but Arctic Woman...and i'm like 'Mom! I can't believe you're
working with HIM..why are you working HERE!' and he just laughs smugly and
my mother turns and is like 'oh you wanted the babybird album did you?' and
I ran out of the store.

Oh..I had a very Belle And Sebastian moment yesterday,I walked to a part of
the city which is very close..but I jsut never went there before,and I
stretched out on the lovely green grass,i was a bit disturbed because from
the bushes to the left of me was a lot of screaming ("you fuck off!" "no YOU
fuck off you bitch!") when to the right of me a Sebastian boy was reading a
book under the tree.It would've made such a lovely photograph..you know I
wished I could've taken his picture but then I was afriad that I might steal
the moment away from him... :)
 AND I met a street poet from England..from Nottingham...my friend was a
little skeptical cause I think she thought he was crazy but he took my hand
and told me one of the most lovely poems...'true love' I remember that but
not much else and then he spent the next 10 minutes warning me about
men..but he was still very nice,I would've liked to stayed and talked with
him the whole afternoon....perhaps i should become a street poet and recite
Belle and Sebastian to cute record store boys...*sigh*
 All the people who recommend Yo La Tengo..all your lovely
recommendations,were not there...well one was,but I didn't have enough money
for it so I got 'Ride The Tiger' instead..I'm going to listen to it later
because right now the house is filled with lovely Easter music....
It's such a beautiful Easter morning! I went outside on the deck and stood
up on the railing,eating my little mini chocolate eggs and breathed in the
beautiful surroundings..i mean the lake is SPARKLING today..the sky is
bright blue..and you can hear all the creatures of the lake..you can't see
the woodpeckers but you can hear them... :)
Well I really do not have much to say,I hope you all have so beautiful
Easter weekends!!
 Love,
     Genevieve :)

'cause nobody loves me
it's true
not like YOU do'

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From PKHINTZ at xxx.com  Sun Apr 12 20:17:41 1998
From: PKHINTZ at xxx.com (PKHINTZ)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 15:17:41 EDT
Subject: Sinister: the spirit is willing
Message-ID: <aed4d37b.35311357@aol.com>

	I went to an Easter church service with my parents this morning.  As I sat in
the sanctuary, watching the sunlight move across the empty pews, noticing the
wax dripping from the candles on the altar, the voice reading a prayer caught
my ears.  She read that "we are living in, and loving, the faith".  Now as you
may have noticed, I have been using a similar signoff in my emails for the
past few months.  Apparently some twelfth-century monk or whatever living on a
mountain has "borrowed" this.  I daresay--this is even more scandalous than
when someone attempted a coup to become the new Trousers.  I think I may have
to go to church every week to notice if any other monks or disciples are using
my signatures.  I heard a rumor that there is someone named Matthew in the
Bible too--this is becoming serious.  Then, when Belle and Sebastian tour, I
will take Stuart M. out for tea to discuss Calvin's principles of
predestination with the modern notion of free will, or something like that.  I
know I often think of those things.

			Living and loving, because I can't do it any other way,
						Matthew
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From suzsch at xxx.net  Mon Apr 13 00:24:36 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 18:24:36 -0500
Subject: Sinister: random thoughts
Message-ID: <199804122324.SAA23804@smtp1.mailsrvcs.net>

I thin maybe the overpriced japanese dog on wheels release could mean they
only gave the country so many albums.  I don;t know. Since I'm in the
United States, had no problem finding the album, and don't work anywhere
near a record label, my thoughts are probably invalid.

As much as I used to like the fraggles, I realized one day (I can't
remember when, but definitely a few years ago) that the doozers are
definitely a racist metaphor.  Or, if we want to go tame, the bourgeois
fraggles turn their nose up at the underpaid workers.  Occasionally, the
doozers show that they "are people too with a heart of gold" by helping out
a poor trapped fraggle.

Not that I stopped watching it for that reason.  I find it boring these
days, anyway.

Why do I bring this up?  I finished watching Robin Hood, Prince of Dweebs
for the 1st time in 5 years with the benefit of having one too many
cultural studies courses. So, I'm going off on a tangent....just for the
heck of it.

You know what I'm talking about.  The movie or TV show that tries to show
how enlightened it is by bringing the token black character on and saying
"gee.....youre a minority but you're just like everyone else" and everyone
wipes a tear away and we all barf, the end.  It basically presents said
character in very stereotypical fashion.  For example, Azeem in Robin Hood
is basically the wise old fatherly black man whose only worth in the film
is protecting Kevin Costner and all the poor white families.  Sort of like
what turn of the century films such as "birth of a nation" that presented
blacks in 2 forms.  Either the loyal servant or the evil rebel.  On the
same token, doozers are about the same.  They're evil unless they're of use
to the fraggles, then mystically they are just like "everyone else."

Then again, this is all coming from someone who generally regards Walt
Disney films as some of the most racist, sexist, and stereotypical of any
film out there, yet they get the aura of being harmless family movies just
because our parents grew up with them.  Especailly some of the later ones
like Jungle to Jungle, or like Mighty ducks type movies where they've
always got the fat kid running around saying "I'm hungry!"  and its funny
because, hey, its a fat kid and boy that fat kid can eat.  

s.s.

...the culturally sensitive one.....
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From tdzF94 at xxx.edu  Mon Apr 13 04:08:31 1998
From: tdzF94 at xxx.edu (The Trainspotter)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:08:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: random thoughts/fraggles
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no no you are wrong.  I've watched all the episodes loads of times.  and
there is one episode where the fraggles think it's cruel to eat the
doozers buildings so they stop and the doozers can't build anymore and
become depressed because they live to build and so the fraggles reaslise
they are helping the doozers by eating the buildings.  oh, though... so
you are now close I realise - marxist critique of capitalism, and all that
guff... I'm going to watch telly now, drink red wine, and mind the brain.

-teri


http://hampshire.edu/~tdzF94/ -  Inspired by the writings of the 
eighteeth century Venetian gambler, eroticist and spy.

"The day didn't go too well. Too many chocolates and cigarettes, I kept
thinking of you and almost walking into lampposts." Pulp

"and the times that we all hoped would last,
like a train they have gone by so fast
and though we stood together on the edge of the platform,
we were not moved by them"

On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, Suzanne Schroeder wrote:

> I thin maybe the overpriced japanese dog on wheels release could mean they
> only gave the country so many albums.  I don;t know. Since I'm in the
> United States, had no problem finding the album, and don't work anywhere
> near a record label, my thoughts are probably invalid.
> 
> As much as I used to like the fraggles, I realized one day (I can't
> remember when, but definitely a few years ago) that the doozers are
> definitely a racist metaphor.  Or, if we want to go tame, the bourgeois
> fraggles turn their nose up at the underpaid workers.  Occasionally, the
> doozers show that they "are people too with a heart of gold" by helping out
> a poor trapped fraggle.
> 
> Not that I stopped watching it for that reason.  I find it boring these
> days, anyway.
> 
> Why do I bring this up?  I finished watching Robin Hood, Prince of Dweebs
> for the 1st time in 5 years with the benefit of having one too many
> cultural studies courses. So, I'm going off on a tangent....just for the
> heck of it.
> 
> You know what I'm talking about.  The movie or TV show that tries to show
> how enlightened it is by bringing the token black character on and saying
> "gee.....youre a minority but you're just like everyone else" and everyone
> wipes a tear away and we all barf, the end.  It basically presents said
> character in very stereotypical fashion.  For example, Azeem in Robin Hood
> is basically the wise old fatherly black man whose only worth in the film
> is protecting Kevin Costner and all the poor white families.  Sort of like
> what turn of the century films such as "birth of a nation" that presented
> blacks in 2 forms.  Either the loyal servant or the evil rebel.  On the
> same token, doozers are about the same.  They're evil unless they're of use
> to the fraggles, then mystically they are just like "everyone else."
> 
> Then again, this is all coming from someone who generally regards Walt
> Disney films as some of the most racist, sexist, and stereotypical of any
> film out there, yet they get the aura of being harmless family movies just
> because our parents grew up with them.  Especailly some of the later ones
> like Jungle to Jungle, or like Mighty ducks type movies where they've
> always got the fat kid running around saying "I'm hungry!"  and its funny
> because, hey, its a fat kid and boy that fat kid can eat.  
> 
> s.s.
> 
> ...the culturally sensitive one.....
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From Nrbqlover at xxx.com  Mon Apr 13 04:41:20 1998
From: Nrbqlover at xxx.com (Nrbqlover)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:41:20 EDT
Subject: Sinister: i, i, i, i, i, i love lee remick (she's a darlin')
Message-ID: <1d8b8cf2.35318963@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-04-12 06:23:13 EDT, I wrote:

<< > let's not forget their first two INCREDIBLE 7"ers on
 > BoogleWonderland-"A
 > Better Friend" and "Lee Remick". Both excellent slabs of vinyl.

and then the Duke wrote:
 
>> not a cover of the fantastic Go-Betweens song, surely?! Wouldn't that
 just be... interesting :-) so are hefner really any good then?
  >>

different song and while i wouldn't compare the two(the Go-Betweens are one of
the ten greatest bands of all time IMHO), i'm glad i own both. I like Hefner-
good songwriting, nice lilting pace. just got their new 10" so the jury's
still out on that record, but their first two singles are keepers.

clem lane
nrbqlover at aol.com

n.p. GBV-S.F. 7/2/94
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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Mon Apr 13 05:35:35 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:35:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sinister: random thoughts/fraggles
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980412230558.17214D-100000@hamp.hampshire.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980412233356.18494A-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>


> 
> no no you are wrong.  I've watched all the episodes loads of times.  and
> there is one episode where the fraggles think it's cruel to eat the
> doozers buildings so they stop and the doozers can't build anymore and
> become depressed because they live to build and so the fraggles reaslise
> they are helping the doozers by eating the buildings.  oh, though... so
> you are now close I realise - marxist critique of capitalism, and all that
> guff... I'm going to watch telly now, drink red wine, and mind the brain.
> 
> -teri
> 

I was thinking that we should all start calling teri a nickname: teri 
underwear.  Then, for all of the Americans, mental pictures of Terri Garr 
and the hanes her way campaigns of the 1980s made me feel queasy.  Sorry, 
teri.

-Kristen 
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From keith at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 13 09:48:20 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:48:20 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Weekend (NO CHILDREN'S TELEVISION CONTENT)
Message-ID: <01bd66b8$e900a0b0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

Hello Chums.

Had a good weekend not dancing and trying to take care of my poor shafted
leg - Matthew I don't need to fake a limp I'm afraid I've been hobbling
around with one all week, still it's getting better now.

    A big thanks to Anne for letting us crash over at her flat which was
very nice indeed, and you're indeed welcome to come over and stay here any
time you like. It was ace to watch Southpark that the Americans have been
going on about and it is indeed very funny.

    Chris Leonard, I've just discovered that my flatmate knows you. It's one
of these things again, he's my new flatmate now that Grant's moved out, he's
also been working in our place for the last 6 months too, he's called
Mitchell Fraser, and apparently you knew him at university - and you had a
funny website, just like Rodd's.

    However it's all back to reality now on Easter Monday, and having to
work - which is poor form, we should be rolling eggs down a hill or
something I'm sure.


    Cheers,
        Keith.


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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 13 13:49:21 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:49:21 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: B&S spotting in Japan
In-Reply-To: <01bd65bb$c117e3e0$LocalHost@rclander.netfront.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980413134709.15360B-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>



On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, Richard Lander wrote:

> 
> >As Aya mentioned, our Japanese and Asian citizens are having just
> >another ordinary weekend.
> 
> 
> We have Easter holiday in Hong Kong. So now we have 6 listees in Asia. Me
> and Gordon in HK. You, Aya and Kaz in Japan and Ooon in Thailand.
> 
> Anymore out there?
> 

I will be, come October, (job 'formalities' permitting....)  

visiting lecturer in english at kyushu university...!

so here i come...

espadrille 




> Richard...
> rclander at netfront.net                                    ICQ: 4039573
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From C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 13 14:24:09 1998
From: C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk (CMD LOO)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:24:09 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: BnS listees in Singapore
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980413134709.15360B-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980413142258.28982D-100000@merlin.cen.brad.ac.uk>

Hiya Sinsterians,

Are there any Singapore BnS listees out there?

Cheers

D    A    N    I    E    L    O    O


                  "It takes Strength to be GENTLE and KIND"
                  M    O    R    R    I    S    S    E    Y
        

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From C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 13 17:28:07 1998
From: C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk (CMD LOO)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:28:07 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Re: worldcup98
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980413172549.19535A-100000@harrier.cen.brad.ac.uk>
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> HIya listees
> 
> Sorry to take up your time.
> 
> I would like to know how and where can I purchase the WorldCup tickets
> from the NET?
> 
> Thanks you for your attention.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> D    A    N    I    E    L    O    O
> 
> 
>                   "It takes Strength to be GENTLE and KIND"
>                   M    O    R    R    I    S    S    E    Y
>         
> 
> 

D    A    N    I    E    L    O    O


                  "It takes Strength to be GENTLE and KIND"
                  M    O    R    R    I    S    S    E    Y
        

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From barzy at xxx.com  Mon Apr 13 19:21:22 1998
From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:21:22 -0800
Subject: Sinister: B&S on Chickfactor/Pastels
Message-ID: <v01540b04b158066d5965@[207.48.25.57]>


Hola..

WOW! What a week......Pastelism everyday for three days (last time I saw
them was in NYC with B&S!).....I'm spoiled.....AND getting the Chickfactor
with B&S on the front and back....wee Chris looks so cute! And a BOY on the
cover!!??? Coooool.....So anyway....I actually bumped into another LA
listie who heard me mention Belle & Sebastian to Stephen Pastel ...he came
over and asked if I said "belle & sebastian" and indeed...I had...and he
turned out to be an actual list member...what are the odds? (Hi Kelly!) The
last day of the Pastel worshipfest, Neutral Milk Hotel & Elf Power played
as well....kept me happy and not sad when the Pastels split....now I think
i'll get some sleep...

night night....

beth














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From blink at xxx.net  Mon Apr 13 18:29:44 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:29:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: there must be a reason for all the looks we gave
Message-ID: <199804131729.NAA01431@Vector.inexpress.net>

Hello? I think i am talking to myself..

>> Anyhow, can anyone else come up with some other
>> possibilities? Clarinet? Hm, there's another one...
>
>i tried to offer my 3 years of high-school clarinet experience to the
>band ... they said no obviously.  it's not that i'm a bad clarinetist or
>anything though ... (oi, david ... shush!)

I would love to be able to play many instruments,when i was like 3,I play
'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star' on my violin..but that was about it.Since I've
been 8 I play piano..as my parents are both musicians and pianists..I think
I disappoint them a little bit in that area..but what I want most of all is
to play guitar like so many I admire...Oh...and hearing all the trumpet
solos I wanted to play trumpet this year,but the music teacher is evil..next
to your name on the attendence list she writes 'druggie' 'bitch' 'alcoholic'
to remember you.
I hope you all had a good Easter,lots of Laura Secord..I think I am the only
one here right now..all you good people must be at church...but instead of
going ot church me and my brother went on a lovely walk..do you know know
how lovely it is to be walking miles and miles,throwing your body over
barbed wire and electric fence...thorns all in your clothes to suddenly come
across a bridge,i sung some B&S until my brother told me to shutup and I
almost pushed him into the river.He can swim.
I caught my dad watching Dawsons Creek last night! I cannot look at Dawson
without laughing cause he look jsut like my friend in drama (well not the
same hair) except my friend was quite silly..'hey look,I run into this
wall!' 'watch me put my whole fist into my mouth' How I miss him! We were
both scared of clowns and mimes.I had to do a mime once..the whole class
did,but instead of pretend i was trapped in a box i pretend i had to wash
dishes to pay my debt at gambling and ot make my escape i crawled throught
the air ducts and then the mafia beat me,but my teacher didn't like it.

I really really really love it how Stuart says 'score' in You're Just A Baby.

Matthew,I would like to lie in sunshine like my cats too.My cat is being
evil,whenever you try and brush him he howls and turn into Beast.So i had to
feed him little pieces of bread to distract him,but then he went and rolled
in the dirt anyways.Whenever he is lying in the sun I poke him in his belly
and he growls.He's a beautiful cat.
 Person I talk to in chat one time,come back and talk to me...:)
 My friend got an Arab Strap cd and i be borrowing it from her soon.I quite
like that Aidan.
xoxox
Genevieve :)

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From LeslieH at xxx.COM  Mon Apr 13 18:38:28 1998
From: LeslieH at xxx.COM (Lesley Higgins)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:38:28 -0400
Subject: Sinister:B&S on Chickfactor/Pastels 
Message-ID: <01F2E5A1F9BBD01186420000C0DBCFDB113771@NTMIS>

Hiya!

Beth wrote: Pastelism everyday for three days!!...getting the
Chickfactor with B&S on the front and back...

I'm totally jealous.  I wish the Pastels would have come to the East
Coast too...but Chickfactor had a terrific show Saturday night with
Containe,  Dump and Future Bible Heros...

get some kip Beth! 

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 13 18:39:44 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:39:44 +0100
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <vmPeWRAg3kM1EwrE@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

hey.

i saw a fox on the way to southampton last friday.

it was run over, dead, bleeding, and there was blood all over the road. 

can we stop the fox obsession now please?

hmm, other topic, i used to obsessed with buyng the maker, just for a
few writers, sorry to say it, but then they stopped writing, the SPICE
GIRLS popped up on the front cover, i've given up cos my olf favey paper
turne into Smash Hits. NO, reading Smash hits is NOT soofunny and
ironic, its being a sad tosser.

anyway, for a 15yr old, as i was, in the middle of nowhere, those papers
were my way out of my boooring life, told me about FUN new POP music,
ish, and woek me up to the fact that, um, cool music existed and not
like fucking oasis. well thats what the maker USED to do for me, now it
makes me want to burn myself.

anyway! the LONDON PICNIC. who's going? cos i'd *like* to go, as would
my lovely friend who is not a listee cos she can't, but was with me athe
gig.....BUT, i need places to stay and such like, and times, and whats
going....sorry! but i do...

KEITH WROTE....
<<Belle and Sebastian are a *Tight ROCK outfit*.>>

humph yeah. but do they RAWK? i don't fink so. i've just written an
article on RAWK! and why it is the supreme music form. i am also going
to write one about why jazz is the supreme form, etc, and then conclude
that all art is useless and then END my fanzine, to be reborn in a new
form! yippee!

Debbie the dudey dudette wrote that Daneil o donnnel was on TOTP? was
he?  he's treated like a god in Blackpool whenever he plays, he holds up
traffic. which is a bugger when you are late for appointments.

can i also be peeved that NONE OF YOU! oooh, sorry, ONLY ONE! person has
asked to join the SINISTERINE CHEERLEADERS? you're SCUm the lot of you!
debs has mentioned them, but is she joining? i do hope so! and as for
the Swan girl and the Pyth girl and the Minky minx, i'm not friends with
you lot ANY MORE. we don't need you! *sobs*

this whole post is crap please delete it. but i'm forcing you to get it
so NER.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
                           SIGN MY GUESTBOOK GODDAMMIT!

                         http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk

                
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Apr 14 10:43:34 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:43:34 +0200
Subject: Sinister: leg/name/toilet
Message-ID: <01bd6789$cb7d2a00$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


Keith wrote this:

>    Chris Leonard, I've just discovered that my flatmate knows you. It's
one
>of these things again, he's my new flatmate now that Grant's moved out,
he's
>also been working in our place for the last 6 months too, he's called
>Mitchell Fraser, and apparently you knew him at university - and you had a
>funny website, just like Rodd's.

What a coincidence! I mean, what are the odds? Christopher Leonard knows
Mitchell Fraser! A person with two christian names and no surname knows a
person with two surnames and no christian name! And to top it all, they're
both romantically involved with Keith!
And a funny website, just like Roddd's to boot! Is it still up and running,
Chris? If not, can you remember any of the jokes? It would be nice to have a
funny website showdown between yourself and Rodddd, wouldn't it?

Sorry to hear about your poorly leg, Keith. Rub it better.

B&S dreamtime: To cut a long story short, they all lived in the same house
and had some kind of wierd chemical toilet under the stairs. Then there was
another one with just Sturat M in it. he lived in a house at the top of a
hill that took ages to climb up, but no time at all to get back down again,
even without the aid of a go-kart or anything like that, and there was a pub
at the bottom.

Peter



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From cleonard at xxx.COM  Tue Apr 14 12:31:28 1998
From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:31:28 +0100
Subject: Sinister: leg/name/toilet
Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=Murray_Johnstone%l=CARDHU-980414113128Z-1120@cardhu.murrayj.com>

>>What a coincidence! I mean, what are the odds? Christopher Leonard >knows
Mitchell Fraser! A person with two christian names and no >surname
>>knows a person with two surnames and no christian name! And >to top it all,
>>they're both romantically involved with Keith!

Hmm.  Very perceptive of you Admiral Miller.   How young Mitchell and 
I used to laugh and laugh at our comedy names, often to the point of
peeing.  We often went to the dancing and impressed the ladies simply by
saying our names out loud, in turn.  Those were the days I tell you.
For 4 years we were voted "The people of Glasgow's favourite
entertainers", on the strength of our names alone.

But all good things must come to an end, and ours came when I left to
fight in 'Nam.  The bitch said he'd stay faithful to me, but when I came
back 6 months later I found him working the circuits with Kenneth
Thomas!  

I became an alcoholic and died.  A few weeks later I got better and
became a  professional body-popper.  

Keith, say "hello Mitchell!".  Thanks.


>>And a funny website, just like Roddd's to boot! Is it still up and running,
>>Chris? If not, can you remember any of the jokes? It would be nice to >have
>>a funny website showdown between yourself and Rodddd, wouldn't >it?

Ahh yes.  I'm becoming a little misty eyed now, don't you know.  It
wasn't flash but it had soul I tell you.  I had an adventure game called
"The House Of Brett" which I recently considered resurrecting.  You can
see how far I got at http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~calnd/Brett/  .
I warn you, I only managed one page then I got bored with it.

Keith, steep in a hot bath.  

(Keith is a romance icon in the indie world.  Sort of Fabio in a hair
>clip, if you will.)

>>B&S dreamtime:
I had a dream about the Spice Girls last night.  It was really good!

B&S Content
==========
Bit of a downer that I missed that "Don't Look Down".  
Slow Graffiti is dead good, so there.

Fond Regards,
Christopher Alexander Leonard


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From eng98ajo at xxx.se  Tue Apr 14 15:03:38 1998
From: eng98ajo at xxx.se (Anna Johansson)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:03:38 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Buses/Fraggles
Message-ID: <l03110700b159148aeba8@[130.235.142.83]>

Hello!
I thought I'd try to overcome my shyness and write something to Sinister,
because I decided that you were all really nice people and wouldn't send
wolves after me (which I guess, would be king of interesting, the only
animal that's ever chased me was a rooster, but to be honest I think that
was horrible enough, I've still got a scar and a phobia).
Yesterday, I was sitting on a bus, going home from my parents, where I've
spent a few days avoiding eating eggs (hey! maybe I don't like eggs because
of the rooster-incident! psychology here I come!) and I heard B&S singing
about riding on city buses, and well I've heard this many time before, but
somehow I've never listened to it before, because that very moment I
realised that riding on city buses (although yesterday it wasn't a city
bus) is one of my very few hobbies, I guess it is kind of sad, going
nowhere on a bus in the dark, but nothing makes me feel better, happier,
sadder or whatever I may be. Last time I listened to  B&S on a bus I almost
cried, but then I didn't.
If I could play my own music all the time, I think being a bus driver is
one of my dream jobs, but, since I haven't even got a driver's license I
guess I will have to be happy just riding buses every now and then, which
maybe is even nicer, since you can just sit there, looking out and in (if
you look at your window, then sometimes you can see the reflection of the
people across the isle, and you can watch them as much as you like without
them ever noticing) and you don't have to look up every now and the and say
"tio kronor" (which is what it costs here in Sweden) to some old lady.
Speaking of the fraggles, I always dreamed about eating that sugary stuff
the little people were building, I still remember what I imagined it would
taste like, and it wasn't really that great, but the consistency was
wonderful and oh, when I think of it today I still want to taste it just as
much. Anybody got the recipe?

Buss och kram (if there is anyone who understands Swedish here I deeply
apoplogise for using buss och kram, I did it against better judgement and
hope to grow wiser in the future...)

Anna.


P.S. Sorry Rory, I'm not that Anna Johansson, but helloo anyway! At birth
in Sweden, all Anna Johansson:s must sign a document saying they'll grow up
to be (almost all the time) nice people, so I don't have a clue who you are
but I'm (almost) garanteed to be nice!


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From me at xxx.com  Tue Apr 14 14:31:52 1998
From: me at xxx.com (someone)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:31:52 +0100
Subject: Sinister: A Tuesday Poem from the frozen north
Message-ID: <FFFFFFFF.A9611C76@here.com>

Hallo spaceboys

What a lovely weekend, spent stalking oddball popsters in glasgow and
edinburgh. No sightings, unfortunately, but meeting various members of
the scottish sinister contingent more than made up for it. Anne, Keith,
Paul and Linda: you rule, obviously.

Being 500 miles from home obviously meant i was delayed in getting the
pweekly poem together for yesterday, but this morning i trekked through
the snow drifts to find a lovely internet cafe, so that you all need not
be deprived of your weekly fix.

this week's poem is by a scottish poet, appropriately enough... Don
Paterson won the TS Eliot prize earlier this year for his collection
"God's Gift to Women". This poem is from his first collection, "Nil,
Nil".

Don Paterson
Heliographer

I thought we were sitting in the sky.
My father decoded the world  beneath:
our tenement, the rival football grounds,
the long bridges slung out across the river.
Then I gave myself a fright
with the lemonade bottle. Clunk -
the glass thread butting my teeth
as I bolted my mouth to the lip.

Naw... copy me. It's how the grown-ups drink.
Propped in my shaky,
single-handed grip,
I tilted the bottle towards the sun
until it detonated with light,
my lips pursed like a trumpeters
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From ip211579 at xxx.pt  Tue Apr 14 14:49:10 1998
From: ip211579 at xxx.pt (ANTONIO ZUQUETE)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:49:10 +0100
Subject: Sinister: sad songs
Message-ID: <199804141348.OAA24606@mail2.ip.pt>


   Here it goes ...

- Spectrum "california lullaby"
- Spectrum "touch the stars"
- Sweetest ache "tell me how it feels"
- Another sunny day "i´m in love with a girl who doesn´t 
		        know i exist"
- Trembling blue Stars "less than love"
- Magnetic fields "why i cry"
- Naked Souls "sleep"

		"when you love someone
		 You can´t always tell the sun
		 It will be twilight soon
		 save a secret for the moon"

				Take care,   Pedro.
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From keith at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 14 16:05:49 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:05:49 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Pistols, daily, plastic, reading, 75%, swearwords
Message-ID: <01bd67b6$cf55d6e0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

>And a funny website, just like Roddd's to boot! Is it still up and running,
>Chris? If not, can you remember any of the jokes? It would be nice to have
a
>funny website showdown between yourself and Rodddd, wouldn't it?


That's a fantastic idea Peter, they can both spruce up their funny websites
and we can all have a vote as to whose website was the funniest, Chris
Leonard's, or Rodddddney's. I can see it now, it'll be like pistols at dawn.

>Sorry to hear about your poorly leg, Keith. Rub it better.

Peter, I've been rubbing it on a daily basis, but it's swollen up to far
larger than usual, however after a weekend of not "pogoing" around on it
(one for these crazy punks out there) it appears to be healing. Thank God -
I feel like a human being again, after having been legless for nearly a
week.

    I'm surprised to see that we haven't had a mail from Sweden from Tag
yet, although perhaps he hasn't got his "plastic pal" with him, that's no
excuse though cause Trousers managed to send an anonymous mail from an
Internet Saddo Cafe this morning to the list. I think it's about time we
received a postcard from Sweden.

    Chris, I'm afraid at the moment, I can't really steep in a hot bath,
cause the bath in our flat is akin to the large swimming pools full of
sewage that there are at the back of the Glastonbury festival, so I'm afraid
I'll just have to suffer on my poor aching leg.

    Well, the picnic is getting nearer... and I just want to mention to the
people who are reading this NO-ONE, yes NO-ONE WILL TELL ANY OF MY FRIENDS
I'M GOING TO A BLOODY PICNIC IN THE PARK... RIGHT.

    One final thing, my friend Simon assures me that 75% of his interview
with Arab Strap is entriely unprintable, but we're going to do the decent
thing and print it to the Belle and Sebastian list cause I suspect some
people will be interested as they have close ties with Belle and Sebastian,
and others will just be interested cause the piece is liable to be laced
with crudities and swearwords.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From blink at xxx.net  Tue Apr 14 17:03:14 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:03:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: 'it's to take a hiding' WHAT?! 
Message-ID: <199804141603.MAA00139@Vector.inexpress.net>

I am having more of my images of B&S shattered..first Stuart David is not
the angelic image of innocence I thought he was and now...i find the lyric
is 'to take a hiding' for real? i thought it was 'to take a hIIIke' and i
was just thinking. 'wow i really love it how he says 'hike' but that's not it...
I'm writing a lot aren't I? I can't help it..it's a weekday..and I'm not
sick and I'm home..it feels unnaturale...and there's no one here!!All 5 cats
are lying in the sun,and they are so used to me jumping up and down and
doing little dance to song they just continue sleeping...
.....feelings...woah woah....feelings....

Tara,I would LOVE to go to Brazil! 
One day i will just show up at your doorstep :) It terrible...my family
doesn't do vacations to exoctic places,but next year the class goes to
Prague and I tell this to Arctic Woman and she's like "yes,you'll go,you
must see your heritage"
cos i'm Czech you see..oh i'm only a little bit afraid of the pot bellied
speedo men,at least in Brazil they keep their speedos ON..and i cannot say
the same for mont cascades waterslide park...

>Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:39:44 +0100
>From: Sarah <sarah at xxx.uk>
>Subject: [none]
>can i also be peeved that NONE OF YOU! oooh, sorry, ONLY ONE! person has
>asked to join the SINISTERINE CHEERLEADERS? you're SCUm the lot of you!
>debs has mentioned them, but is she joining? i do hope so! and as for
>the Swan girl and the Pyth girl and the Minky minx, i'm not friends with
>you lot ANY MORE. we don't need you! *sobs*

Sarah you have to understand i've had years of 'cheerleaders are bad'
engraved to my brain.Our school isn't allowed to have them..it's un pc they
say...but we do have the...errr..Pep Squad... and the Pep Squad is a thing
of evil.
..but i love gymnastics,i'll do cartwheels n roundoffs! Sadly i am not too
good with pom poms..I had a bunny named Pom-Pom once...

It's so summery now! Almost all the ice has melted on the lake...do any of
the Canadians here every do the Polar bear thing? That was in January wasn't
it? the closest i got to that was..my friend she had a hottub and we'd stay
in there for a long time and then run outside in the middle of a quebec
winter and roll around in the snow..it's great fun!
i cannot believe it..my friend shouted at THE record store boy and told him
she loved him...(she doesn't,it was a joke..she thought he had left) but
still...sob!

sunshine n kisses,
Genevieve :)

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From 106226.554 at xxx.com  Tue Apr 14 17:01:26 1998
From: 106226.554 at xxx.com (graham thomson)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:01:26 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Sad story
Message-ID: <199804141201_MC2-39DC-DB1F@compuserve.com>

It was a cold Novembers night if I remember correctly, I was tucked up
under the warmth of my covers, besides me the radio was on.  It was the old
1fm gravyard slot brought to you by Mark Radcliff and Marc Riely (aka
LARD).  They had a new band in session, a wonderfull new band.  A band that
sounded  different to the norm, they were neither Nirvana or Mega-Death
influenced and one of their number even asked the listeners for help with
an essay he had.  Finally just before 12pm the band played their last track
"If Your Feeling Sinister."    This track was a master peice.  I just had
to get the album...

"So how do you get a copy of your album" said the radio preseter
"Well, we are all sold out" replied the band member

Alll soolllddd out, never I could't belive that no, not this record, no,
never.  Why this record why not the entier BoyZone back catolouge!!  Ach
well I thought to myself.  Somebody will have it and sell it.  The very
next day I started the process of finding a copy.  I placed an add on a
forum.  I mailed all the record companies on the net.  I went round every
record store looking.  Not a thing, nothing.  I cried myself to sleep that
night. 

Every time I walk into a record store I go first to the Vinal section then
I ask the man behind the desk.  Always the same reply, always NO!!  Good
people of this news group, I need you help!!!  PLEASE Please, if you have a
copy of Tiger milk, would you put it onto a tape and send it to me, PLEASE
I beg you!!  

Yours with regards
john thomson
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Apr 14 19:27:54 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:27:54 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Name fun, Tag desertion, Swearword encouragement, Trouser conundrum
Message-ID: <01bd67d3$0ae23840$344705c3@itjfvkli>

>
>That's a fantastic idea Peter, they can both spruce up their funny websites
>and we can all have a vote as to whose website was the funniest, Chris
>Leonard's, or Rodddddney's. I can see it now, it'll be like pistols at
dawn.

Well, I've just had a look at Mister Leonard's effort. "File Not Found" it
says, so you'll have to get your skates on, Chris, or else Rodddddd'll win.
It's been a funny day, all my co-habitants have been projectile vomiting for
the last couple of days, I've been having to dash across the living room
zigzagging frantically to avoid being hit on my way to the lavatory. Anyway,
on the plus side, all this has given me time to think about people with two
christian names or two surnames, the freaks. Chris is in good company, just
look at this list:
Andrew Dean, Michael Roddddddd from Screen Test, Lenny Henry, Jesse James,
Ben Elton, Elton John, Rodddddddd Stewart and George Michael.
Mitchell Fraser, on the other hand, is a member of a much more exclusive
club:
Wilkie Collins and, erm, Brad Pitt.
>
>
>    I'm surprised to see that we haven't had a mail from Sweden from Tag
>yet, although perhaps he hasn't got his "plastic pal" with him, that's no
>excuse though cause Trousers managed to send an anonymous mail from an
>Internet Saddo Cafe this morning to the list. I think it's about time we
>received a postcard from Sweden.

It's shocking, isn't it? All he ever thinks about is himself and pleasure,
while the rest of us are dodging flying vomit. By the way, Yay! I'm not
going to the Pyrenees anymore. But Yay! The Pyrenee I can see from the
bathroom window is covered in snow.

>    One final thing, my friend Simon assures me that 75% of his interview
>with Arab Strap is entriely unprintable, (SNIP)
>and others will just be interested cause the piece is liable to be laced
>with crudities and swearwords.


I look forward to that, Keith. Arab Strap are fast becoming my favourite
band that I've never heard a single note of.

Trousers, does the Monday poem finish like that, or did you get kicked out
of the Saddo Cafe unexpectedly?

Paul, are you sulking?

Peter


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From Ripoffs at xxx.com  Tue Apr 14 17:34:17 1998
From: Ripoffs at xxx.com (Ripoffs)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:34:17 EDT
Subject: Sinister: she's losing it
Message-ID: <36d726d0.3533ac2b@aol.com>

hey everybody.  does anyone know all the lyrics to "she's losing it?" 
and is it about a girl who's just losing control in her life?
eskim
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From 9337381b at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 14 17:24:54 1998
From: 9337381b at xxx.uk (Andrew James Bonar)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:24:54 +0000
Subject: Sinister: sad songs etc blah blah
Message-ID: <6FC08252D@student.gla.ac.uk>

Hi Everyone,
Having made my posting to the list with a not entirely original 
thought concerning fraggles and doozers and all that stuff, I thought 
I'd rack my rather fluff-filled brain to come up with my own wee list 
of sad songs. OK, here goes:

THE GO-BETWEENS : The Wrong Road
THE TRIFFIDS : Red Pony
THE DIVINE COMEDY : The Summerhouse
COCTEAU TWINS : Bluebeard
TELEVISION : Guiding Light
B&S : The State I'm In
BLUETONES : The Fountainhead
JULIAN COPE : Laughing Boy
MORRISSEY : I Know It's Gonna Happen Someday
ASSOCIATES : Transport To Central

N.B  These aren't really in any kind of order, and some of them don't 
always make me sad, but if I was played all of the above songs one 
after the other, I'd be a WRECK at the end of it all.  Oh my gawd, 
just thinking about it makes me so-SNIFF!! SNIFF!!-sad.... 

Right, enough already. I'm making a right twat of maself.
Bye-bye,

A.J.
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From aaedward at xxx.edu  Tue Apr 14 20:00:38 1998
From: aaedward at xxx.edu (angela edwards)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:00:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: nick drake
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980410104952.28462A-100000@topaz.iupui.edu>


	Thanks for the insight into the cds. i'll look for your
suggestions as soon as possible -

	-angela


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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Tue Apr 14 21:57:01 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:57:01 +0100
Subject: Sinister: [Fwd: Amphetameanies gig]
Message-ID: <3533CD9D.1731C0A2@virgin.net>

a message for you all from mick cooke (trumpet in b&s!), i hope some of
you can attend as his gigs are always fun no matter which band he's
playing with :)

david
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From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:02:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: she's losing it
References: <36d726d0.3533ac2b@aol.com>
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lyrics are at the site below, and read them slowly to help understand
things - bear in mind that stuart has a habit of writing from a girls
perspective.

david

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From u01cjtc at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 14 23:07:08 1998
From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (The Boy With The X-Ray Eyes!)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:07:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980414224206.21184A-100000@sysa.abdn.ac.uk>

Umm...Hello

today was strange.
having planned to get up at 9 am, to go and work in the library so i don't
get thrown off my course, I rose at half one. The dissapointment of
missing out on a fabulous career was not apparent to others living in my
home, as they had all buggered off, so I had a shower, only I forgot, or
subconsciously  chose not to shave , as I can't remember making any sort
of decision about it.
It was sunny, so I took my dog for a walk, choosing today to go up
arthur's seat instead of round the meadows, as usual, coz it's starting to
get boring. As I entered hollyrood park, it started snowing, but it was
still sunny? As i was wearing a coat i kept going and, forgetting how
unfit I am started to climb the beast, in what seemed like a blizzard, got
allmost to the top, sweating a bit, too many clothes, listening to
stereolab, stopped.
The veiw was amazing, I could see loads of fife, lots of mountains with
snowy tops, easter road (eugh), north berwick law, the bass rock, my
house, it was beautiful, then i realised my dog had pissed off, but I
found her again, and we went ome with a smile on my face, inside at least,
and her tongue hanging out.
Library tomorrow.

On the subject of people with 2 surnames, when I was about 6 i had a
freind called Campbell Steele, as my name is colin campbell, we decided
that if we ever got married he would be called campbell campbell!
cool, huh.

sorry, but I need to post at some point in my life.

colin, alternatively known 




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From suzsch at xxx.net  Tue Apr 14 23:42:57 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:42:57 -0500
Subject: Sinister: music career
Message-ID: <199804142241.RAA20936@smtp1.mailsrvcs.net>

Don't feel bad for not developing into a clarinet player.  i've busted my
ass for several years and even got to play with the University of Texas
Symphony band, but i've made exactly $35 in my whole career by playing at a
church i'm not even a member of one Easter.  That bought a box and a half
of reeds.  
Other than that, I've been playing acoustic guitar for over 2 years and
when i try to get with a band, I STILL don't have any credibility.  Austin
isn't exactly the hot bed for B&S type bands.  I might try being a singer
or something, but there are 5 million of those around here, too.

s.s.

oh yeah, I read the digest which makes me too lazy to cut and post the
original message.

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From PKHINTZ at xxx.com  Wed Apr 15 05:18:03 1998
From: PKHINTZ at xxx.com (PKHINTZ)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:18:03 EDT
Subject: Sinister: When the cat whispers in your ear. . .
Message-ID: <34d50e00.353434fd@aol.com>

	There is one position I am found in most often--laying on my back, on my bed,
reading.  Inert, yet with a mind moving twice as fast as the body ever could.
I had left the _Dog on Wheels_ ep on repeat; the words on the page were
glanced under the eyes' sight, then passed over in pursuit of the next line,
the next paragraph.  Madeline the cat curled herself into the folds of the
blanket; she likes to be near me.  Listening to the ep I remembered listening
to those songs on a train to the sea, to Dover and its cliffs.  I had
concentrated on the music more intently that morning, to ignore the people in
the seats behind me.  The book was set down; I had lost myself again,
recalling looking out the train windows, at fields and spires, at the blur of
the journey itself.  Taking a cue from Madeline, I closed my eyes for a
minute.  An hour later, the music still playing, I woke to the telephone ring
and my mother saying "He did!".  Yes, I did--I had slept late and was not at
the train station to pick up my father.  As I tied my shoes and picked myself
off the bed and off my back, I noticed Madeline had left my bed.  Cats never
stay with you when the trouble comes.

			Living and loving
					Matthew
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From A.Ward at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 15 11:07:21 1998
From: A.Ward at xxx.uk (Anne Ward)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:07:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Ink polaroids - better late than never
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980415110721.0093f620@scooter.gcal.ac.uk>

Hello

I've been lurking on the list for some time and figured I should probably
say something at last. A picture says a thousand words so here's a shot
from Saturday night.

It's taken at the Art School so it's a bit dark. Keith is quite subdued and
unable to shake his shammy due to a serious dancing injury. This obviously
pains him and you can see the joy on all our faces when Born to be Wild
crashes through the speakers and he gets his air guitar out to rule again.
Tag would be proud of him. Trousers is flanked by twins, one of whom is
taking him through all the moves from Land of 1,000 Dances, one by one.
They're only at number 3, and it's hard to tell if it's the Pony or the
Monkey. I'm looking pensive because I'm counting the celebrity lookalikes
and wondering if there are enough for a Brian Jones v Richard Ashcroft
five-a-side tournament. I come to the conclusion that there are and wonder
who would win.  

That's it for now. 

Yours,
Anne
xxx



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From Ayacolor at xxx.com  Wed Apr 15 13:31:12 1998
From: Ayacolor at xxx.com (Ayacolor)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:31:12 EDT
Subject: Sinister:I'm good manager. As if!
Message-ID: <68f09e21.3534a892@aol.com>

Hello~  My pal on the earth.
I tell you how much I earned in city of LOST ANGELS?
"2 sodas"
< Alicia in Clueless >
As if!!
< /Alicia in Clueless >
We flew to LA with my band "MittoChill" (I play drums.But we broke last Sat).
I asked my girl friend lives in Dallas to come and play with us. She said
Cool! We played in "The Smell" like, all ages club. Soda is not this club's
fault. ( You know Ara! I really like this club even toilet in here never
flashed. ) I think we could get MONEY if we played in "Space land" or the
other clubs.  But my girl friend played last year, the system or law for under
21 was irritate us soooooo much. As you know, law in CA was totally bugged. My
19 years old lovely girl friend can't get in to the club even she's gonna play
in this club tonight!!  
This is distinction is just coming from the alcohol ? Shaiten!!
So, CA state doesn't want bands to debut under 21? Nobody can interrupted us
to express ourselves. 
Agree with me all musician!?

AyaXX
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From t.hopkins at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 15 14:56:57 1998
From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:56:57 +0100
Subject: Sinister: stuff and nonsense, no B&S
Message-ID: <199804151351.OAA24150@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>

Umm, after almost a week away and a fistful of digests I was kind of hoping
to have lots of things to reply to, but don't have too many. I would,
however, like to say that we are not all hopelessly wet and sad, or whatever
it was that dry and happy fellow said while signing off. I suspect *some* of
us are hopelessly wet and sad, and all the better for it.

 Mister Miller said:

	>Chris is in good company, just
	>look at this list:
	>Andrew Dean, Michael Roddddddd from Screen Test, Lenny Henry, Jesse
James,
	>Ben Elton, Elton John, Rodddddddd Stewart and George Michael.
	>Mitchell Fraser, on the other hand, is a member of a much more
exclusive
	>club:
	>Wilkie Collins and, erm, Brad Pitt.

I am in a state of consternation. Is All Creatures Great And Small star
Christopher Timothy a 'two surnames' or a 'two forenames' fellow? Does
famous 'statesman' Warren Christopher have the distinction of haveing a
forename and a surname, but in the wrong order? 
Mr and Mrs James must have had a fetish for this sort of thing, since their
other son was named Frank, after Anne, one supposes. But Frank James is a
double surname while Jesse James is a double forename. Hmmm. What's more,
Jesse was shot in the back by another double surname, Charles Ford. If only
the Fords had had the foresight to name their other son Robertson rather
than Robert, the whole thing would have been perfect.

Miller also wrote:

	>Horace Andy feels like a bit of a letdown. So my question for
reggae-ologists
	>everywhere is: What could possibly top Yabby You and The Congos?

Which Horace LP is it, Petey? If It's the Blood and Fire one, then I would
tend to agree that it's not his best. Try 'Dancehall Style', his showcase LP
on Lloyd 'Bullwackie' Barnes's Wackies label. The very best reggae LP ever
to come out of the US, I contend.
For the record, if it's deep roots reggae you're after, some of my
favourites are:
Prince Far-I: Under Heavy Manners (Joe Gibbs)
Big Youth: Dreadlocks Dread (Virgin) and 'Screaming Target' (Trojan)
Heptones 'Party Time' (Island)
Culture 'Two Sevens Clash' (Joe Gibbs).
Upsetters: 'Open The Gate' (Trojan), 'Super Ape' (Island)
Jacob Miller 'Who Say Jah No Dread' (Greensleeves)

These are all well-known classics, dead cert bankers. If you ask me.
Blood and Fire squire Steve Barrow reckons that the best reggae LP in the
world ever is 'Songbook' by Bob Andy (Studio One), and that's a fairly good
call, I say. Don't even think about buying the Studio One CD reissue though,
since it has been reissued with lots of nice nineties keyboard overdubs.
Which is like opening a ?10,000 bottle of wine to cook with.
I bought the brilliant 'Flash Forward' by Cedric 'IM' Brooks at the weekend,
which is an unimaginably beautiful instrumental reggae LP on Studio One.
Oooh, gives me the shivers just thinking about it.

Um, what else? Travelled from Rugby to Lincoln at the weekend in search of a
football game which never was. Arse. However, the good folk of Lincoln are
clearly poltroons (or perhaps spend their time in awe at the beauty of their
admittedly very beautiful cathedral) since the town seems to have record
shops which are stuffed with bargains which, in any true civilisation, would
have been snapped up long before. I even found a copy of 'Introducing Jane',
a 1990 single by The DeBuchias (featuring Johnny Dangerously), after which I
had been lusting for, well, 8 years. The cost? 20 new pence. Weird.
Anyway, in search of football, I moved on to Nottingham, which was good in
so far as it enabled me to visit yet more fantastic record shops.
Selectadisc came up trumps for me again by purveying not only the
aforementioned Cedric Brooks LP but also (for 50p) a copy of Marlin Greene's
mystical country rock masterpiece 'Tiptoe Past The Dragon'. Including the
original lyric sheet.

The point of all this, you ask? Well, none really except to ask for your
opinion on the following conundrum....is it strange that, when I visit a new
place I always seem to find piles of amazing record bargains which never
turn up in NW  Lancs? Or am I the only person in the world with such bad
taste? As such have I just purchased all the rubbish from the local record
shops, leaving the shopkeepers rubbing their hands in astonished glee at the
happy faced Hopkins walking out having paid for unsaleable crap?

Answers on an ink polaroid please.

The other point is to send a message to the list which does not insult Petey
Miller. He says that we're not having an affair. I still think we have a
chance at happiness, given a lot of hard work.

Ta ra

tim

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From 100670.3522 at xxx.com  Wed Apr 15 15:31:24 1998
From: 100670.3522 at xxx.com (Ruth McCurry)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:31:24 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Girlfriend in a coma
Message-ID: <199804151034_MC2-39F9-A0C2@compuserve.com>

Just in case any of you Londoners didn't know, Douglas Coupland is doing a
reading/signing thing at Books Etc on Charing Cross Road on Monday evening
next week at 6.30pm. There are no seats left, but apparently we can stand
at the back.

If any of you need more persuading to read this book (did you see Tom
Paulin on Late Review?), it really is one of the most inspiring books I
have ever read. It is Atlas Shrugged for cool kids. 

It also contains (aside from the twenty or so Smiths references) the very
first Belle and Sebastian reference in a work of literature. Towards the
end, Jared the ghost tells of how he used to jog around the streets in his
terry underwear. Or is this just a coincidence?

Anyway, when you have finished reading it, you will believe again that the
world can be a better place. Which is always nice to know.

Lots of love

DAVID-not-ruth
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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Wed Apr 15 16:02:56 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:02:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sinister: my little ink polaroid
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980415095243.1499B-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>


At long last, here is my ink polaroid:  This was taken on Saturday at 
Brackenridge Park.  Boyfriendish Ian sits on a white carousel horse whose 
saddle is decorated with stars.  His decision to sit on this particular 
horse, on the outside circle of horses on the carousel, was a result of 
my horse choice: a white filly with charcoal mane and tail.  Her head is 
reared triumphantly, her saddle blanket striped.  All you can see in the 
picture is the back of my head and shoulders, but my alert body posture 
and tipped head lets you know that I'm smiling, maybe even laughing, 
under the shade of the carousel.  A backlit Ian rests his head against 
the pole, smiling with his mouth closed in the sun.  He looks rather 
handsome in his blue Yo La Tengo shirt and khaki pants.  One hand is 
wrapped around the pole, above his head.  The other rests on his knee.  
Behind him is a crowd of people wandering through the park, going to the 
paddle boats, to feed the ducks, to ride the train or the skylift, or to 
visit the zoo.  All of these anonymous folk look strangely happy, very 
beautiful.  Looking at this print, you can't help but feel a trememdous 
sense of well-being.

Enough mush.

I have to write a lot of final papers.  Ick.

Love,
Kristen  
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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Wed Apr 15 16:41:36 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:41:36 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Re; Girlfriend in a coma
Message-ID: <199804151141_MC2-39FB-7739@compuserve.com>

Message text written by Ruth McCurry
>Just in case any of you Londoners didn't know, Douglas Coupland is doing a
reading/signing thing at Books Etc<

he's doing one in Edinburgh too, at the West End Waterstones on the 23rd, i
think, but yous probably already knew that... not sure if its 'sold out'
(of free tickets), yet, though... Probably.

lets all go and steal everyone elses free glasses of wine...hehehe. sorry,
think am still bit drunk from last night/ this morning...need sleep! must
have some, NOW! eyeballs on stalks... 

love,
Debbie xxx.

"The tragedy of it is that nobody sees the look of desperation on my face.
Thousands and thousands of us, and we're passing one another without a look
of recognition" - Henry Miller.

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 15 18:01:36 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:01:36 +0100
Subject: Sinister: tom jones at blackpool, 21 quid! who's coming!!! 
Message-ID: <cskbHDAwfON1EwE6@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

hi all!

Keefy wrote...

<<we can all have a vote as to whose website was the funniest, Chris
Leonard's, or Rodddddney's. I can see it now, it'll be like pistols at
dawn.>>

*coughs* Well. Theirs might be FUNNIER (huh, cheap laughs), but MY
website : www.elsato97.demon.co.uk : has a fucked up picture of Richey
Manic (YEY!) pretentious writings from me, Declaring WAR! on CHOCO
KRISPIES- um, NO, and the best thng of ALL! .......

A GUESTBOOK! its even got poetry by honeymonsters in it! YEY! its the
best thing happnin', so GO SIGN IT, ah go on, please i am begging! its
reeeally cool, HONEST!

Our Keefy also mentioned Tag, and "plastic pals"....CRIKEY! now that
idea makes me VERY nervous! even though, Tag is a *wonderful* man... a
specimin of greatness not seen in many... who is going to St Etienne in
Manchester....and surely remebers a chat in Sinister when he almost
promised he would take a nubile (ok might be lying) listee along with
him! :) i'm sure he'd looove that! huh, ooh yeah.... only kiddin'
Taggers.

Oh gosh, that sounds remarkably like "cheggers"....and i don't want that
in my head. aaaaah!

Oh and tell me about this Arab Strap interview. My college paper is
telling me that *i* as the hardened veteran of music journalism, (HAH!
pissing in da wind with a zine no-one buys, sorry i'm feeling
pessimistic today!), has got to interview them when they play Preston.
And....i am not at all happy 'bout this! I only want to see the bloody
support, ELECTRIC SOUND OF JOY. arab strap...crikey.

anyone got any info about them? if so , muchly appriciated :)

And all you SInisters are BACk in favour, as opposed to Back In Black,
which i thought of for no reason at all....

I now have SIX! cheerleaders! including me! we can all sit in chairs and
cheer on the active Sinister-ians, while we munch on good luck choclate
and toast, and drink good luck beverages.

personal crisis - we've run out of orange juice and i might cry. we have
no choclate and i have no pennies. i AM CRYING. ta.

heehee. all this talk of Roddddddddddd, has got me thinking of Roddney
from only fools and horses. thanks for that. and now i'm remeering the
episode, where whatsherface who married Del and had his kid had to sing
"crying" for this mafia bosses mother or something, and she had to sing
it with this guy who lisped.....

ah yes final comment - i'm doing my representation project for meeeeedia
studies on representatio of women in music press, for simple reason
gives me an excuse to get loadsa mags really.....

i've just looked through the NME, NO WOMEN. anywhere. first page PJ
Harvey. then NOWT, untill a Kings of Infinite Space AD. then women in a
few ads...and then a women band member...then a pic of Candida from
Pulp....thats IT. 

geez. this is gonna be my coursework. women AREN'T represented.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
"They can't paddle me! I'm a girl! Girls have more delicate heinies"
                        --Susie 

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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Thu Apr 16 05:25:10 1998
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:25:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: further interpretations of sinister dreams - a dissertation
Message-ID: <v01510101b13ae3cdc26b@[128.122.175.82]>

*sigh*

despite my apparently hugely scientific and wildly popular original dream
interpretations, i got a B- on my psych test.  it should have been an
A++++++, i know, but some teachers just don't understand progressive
thinking if it bites them on the ass (though for the record, i haven't).
oh well.  regardless, i have decided to return to the patients who really
love and need me, you all.  my lovely sinisterines.  and of course, the
lovely stuart david, who a great many *unnamed* people would like to give
"help" to.

At 12:18 AM 2/27/98, Amanda Bergman wrote:
>But like the Partridge Family on Prozac, B&S still have their dreams. "Last
>night I dreamt that my wife Karn became a bellydancer in Glasgow," says
>David. "I guess this means she's going to run away and join the circus
>soon. That's what comes from eating eggplant."

why are they like the partridge family on prozac?  wouldn't that just make
an excessively happy partridge family?  sounds more like the danielson
family than b&s to me (i think this interviewer is just trying to sound
cool, what a poof).  but anyway, this dream is probably just some sort of
wish fulfillment on stu d's part.  knowing his fascination with porn, this
is probably just an extension.  or it could be eggplant, nasty vegetable.

At 11:52 PM 2/27/98, PKHINTZ wrote:
>Dr. Minka,
>
>        So I had this dream a few weeks ago.  Belle and Sebastian moved
>across the
>ocean to Washington DC to become a certain listee's* neighbors.  I was very
>jealous--I threw a fit and squealed like a piggy.  She soon joined the band to
>sing backup vocals.  Yeah, it was great to hear her on the songs, but is not
>the house next to me good enough for the band?  Can not I stand on the stage
>and sing?--no one would probably even notice me with the other hundred members
>of the band.  Hrrumph.
>
>        *(Name withheld not to give B&S any ideas; I do not like to be a
>piggy).

well mr. hintz, this seems to be the opposite of wish fulfillment, a sort
of worst case scenario dream.  did you eat eggplant before going to sleep
by chance?  otherwise, this dream could be a premonition of things to come.
i suggest buying up any houses in pam berry's neighaborhood that may be
for sale in order to avoid making any unpleasant animal sounds.

At 11:47 AM 3/2/98, Thaian N Ton  wrote:
>well beautiful listees;
>
>it's finally happened, i've finally had my first b&s (wet) dream.  no,
>no, not really.
>
>so i won't ramble, i'll just put it short & sweet:
>
>since i have been going to graduate school interviews , i've been fed
>exceptionally well, and i dreamt that due to the lovely cakes and lovely
>food i've been scoffing down, my waist was lost and grew larger than my
>hips and i was walking about with big saddle bags on the sides of my
>hips.  then i checked my e-mail in my distressed state and found this
>e-mail from a dj friend in montreal, and it was a list of the top 10
>singles in germany.  ooh ooh and get this, b&s was #1 and #4, with
>singles i'd never heard of before.  one, i distinctly remember called
>"he's so heavy" ...
>
>ah well, any psychoanalysis on that one?

perhaps this is a literal translation of your relationship to the band's
music.  i know that i love the lyrics because they tend to reflect my life
in a more eloquent manner than i could ever articulate.  in your dream,
they seem to be doing so for you, by writing songs about weight gain.
apparently, your subconcious has a good sense of humor.

At 6:51 PM 3/4/98, JOSEPH FOSTER wrote:
>OK, here is another B&S dream related thing!
>Last week I had a dream where I was casually looking through a copy of
>the sun, and they had a top 20 albums poll and Tigermilk was no.1. Could
>someone please tell me what the frount cover looks like, I don't know.
>In my dream it was a black pattern on red, and may have looked a bit
>like the cover of 'Gold Against The Soul'. Ok Bye.

the cover you imagined sounds like the sinister cover.  a wish-fulfillment
dream again, i think.  btw, the tweenet page has copies of all the album
covers.

At 12:23 AM 3/11/98, ooon wrote:
>well, i really don't think many people would want
>to know about this.  but i hope speaking out
>would help it go off my head a bit.
>
>it was very early this year and goes something like this...
>
>i was watching tv. in some chat show. Honey was a guest. (this Honey
>is in reality a famous model(nude sometimes i think)/singer/actress
>in thailand)  the host asked her why she disappeared lately.
>(in reality she got married and have 5 kids or something)
>she said she was busy running a belle & sebastian mailing list.
>the host said 'ahhh what a fabulous band'. much exciting noise
>from studio audience.
>Honey reached into her handbag and brought out her vinyl copy
>of Tigermilk, revealing that actually the girl on the cover
>was her (laughing viciously) then jumped up and sang her
>tiger song.
>('Tiger/Tigress' was her first hit single 7-8 years ago.
>she's no good singer but interesting to look at in those
>tiger outfit)
>
>at this point i was waken up, to my immense relieve that it was
>just a dream.  i can't really tell in english how rather sordid
>it all was.  it haunts me until this day.  everytime i read
>Paul's message, Honey's face will pop up in my head saying those
>words. makes me feel funny in both sense of the word.
>
>i know how stupid this is and i sincerely hope Paul won't get
>offended! i swear i've been trying to replace her face with your
>baby photo but it's not fully successful yet. SIGH...

oon, i, too, had a dream about honey.  luckily, it was not so psychically
damaging as yours seems to have been.  normally, i would diagnose this as a
pedophilliac dream aimed at the six year old honey, but due to the list's
obsession with sex and porn star names, i'm willing to let this go as just
another example of the sinister list slithering into a innocent listee's
dreams.  the next honey sex dream, though, won't be so lucky.

At 11:46 AM 3/11/98, Nicole Elger wrote:
>OK, I've got more proof that this list is infiltrating my dreams. I didn't
>have another B&S dream, but did have one about stripping which must have
>been inspired by all the porn star posts.
>
>So I was a stripper in the dream, except I wasn't _really_ a stripper, I
>was only doing it for a few hours so I could do some kind of investigation
>at the club. I remember that my intentions were good, but I don't remember
>what exactly they were. The music wasn't great, but I remember thinking I
>was pulling it off quite well (ha, no pun intended) and no one was
>suspecting a thing. But then I looked at some of the faces and started
>thinking, "Oh God, what if I see someone from work!?"
>
>Suddenly I was out of the strip club and playing in a band with my best
>friend from high school and a bunch of other people. Her cute younger
>brother was the singer and I had some ridiculous role like cymbal or
>tambourine player. (No offense to anyone dedicated to those instruments!)
>We played one song and were astonishingly good. Right then, when we were
>on the verge of stardom and having a mailing list dedicted to us ... my
>15-pound cat jumped on my stomach, like he always does when things are
>getting good in my dreams. Grrrr.

ok, i'm not sure that this can be entirely blamed on the belle and
sebastian list.  have you been watching naughty movies or hanging out in
times square?

At 9:34 PM 3/13/98, blink at inexpress.net wrote:
>AH! B&S dream...
>I was sitting in a theatre watching a documentary on Stuart Murdoch,he was
>very tall and it showed him in plaid shirts walking down beaches and
>skipping stones,I kept going "stuart stuart you're the only one who
>understands me" and people kept hushing me..anyways after that came the Dog
>On Wheels video which consisted of fast moving,awe inspiring shots of land
>(from above,like shot in a helicoptre) and great rivers except at the very
>end of the video it was just shots of lots of sad homeless starving looking
>puppies...as i walked out,this tall chin length blondish hair boy wearing
>silver rings and quite cuddly muddly stopped me to talk about B&S when
>suddenlt some girl appears and he starts kissing her and I feel quite
>uncomfortable so I run off and he's like 'Where you going!'
>and then I dunno..I'm walking along some desert like place with train tracks
>and I see my friends wave me over and I try and ignore her and then she says
>something but I take it as something insane cos I'm usually very
>mild-mannered cos I went
>crazy and started throwing rocks at her mother's head and they mad me get in
>the van with them and we are arguing and my friend said soemthing like
>'FINE! GO BACK TO YOUR BELLE AND SEBASTIAN THEN!' so I jump out of the
>van,and magically I am somewhere else,and this guy (this other friend) is
>leaving somewhere and I'm like 'oh I'll walk you there' and for some reason
>my mom appear and she's like 'Oh! *wink* yes,I understand you can WALK with
>him' and she thinks she is helping me cos she thinks I want to get this boy
>alone and i'm like 'no it's not like that' and i start running and i'm back
>at those dusty traintracks and suddenly i realize i'm all alone...

ah genni, you're giving me something to work with here.  as with chris'
dream in the previous dream interpretation email, the fact that you are
*watching* the events shows a dissociation from the band, a sort of
powerlessness and passivity in your life.  the fact that you're speaking,
and being hushed could mean that you're trying to develop more control over
your life, and others are trying to repress you and hold you back.  the
whole dog on wheels thing is weird.  i could sort of interpret it as how
you feel about the song, the mixture of stirring music and sad lyrics.  but
then, i'd probably be full of shit.  so nevermind.  the boy who stopped
you... i really don't have anything to go on there.  could that have
something to do with a real life event at the time?  or maybe you see
yourself as the girl that boys will be friends with, but not be attracted
too?  again, i'm clutching at straws here.  perhaps i deserved that b after
all.  the whole throwing rocks thing could be a manifestation (sorta) of
your rebellion.  i know that b&s doesns't seem terribly rebellious, but i
assume that when you live on a farm in canada, and you're in high school,
that's a divergence from the norm that's not really appreciated by others.
so you're rebelling against friends and parents and running toward a music
that represents perhaps a bigger way in which you are different from other
people, one that maybe they want to minimize.  and the rest....
misunderstanding, and wandering and aloneness, boohoo.  oh dear.

At 10:55 PM 4/4/98, blink at inexpress.net wrote:
>Oh I had a list member dream... (just their name cos I don't know what he
>looks like) anyways,this one friend of mine,she was telling me about this
>wild and wonderful one night stand she had in London "oh yeah we went out
>and got everthign pierced and then spent the night together" me:"oh who was
>this?" her:"his name was tag"
>weird baby,i say weird....

as if the last dream wasn't enough....  all i can say is, um, well, there
really isn't anything to be said to this one.

allright, that's enough for this one.  this email is longer than most of my
papers for class.  and sickly lil me needs her beauty sleep, so goodnight.


xox
megan

ps - star, my feminist side doesn't like the idea of being a cheerleader.
however, if you get sparkly pompoms, i *may* be persuadable....

mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu

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From 9337381b at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 15 16:30:04 1998
From: 9337381b at xxx.uk (Andrew James Bonar)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:30:04 +0000
Subject: Sinister: aaahhh'm bored...
Message-ID: <1E12AE2451@student.gla.ac.uk>

Awlright, sinister types,

I'm trying to get some folks together to play music and generally 
make a nice noise with.  If there's anyone out there from Glasgow or 
nearby, send me a message.  Dunno exactly what kinda thing it'll be, 
I just have a bunch of tunes in my head which would quite like to get 
out for a bit.  I play guitar, piano, violin, 
mandolin...erm...kazoo...just whatever I can get my mitts on, 
basically.  Oh yeah, and I've apparently got a lovely singing voice, 
too (not my words!).

As far as influences go, I'm not really bothered, but I like Teenage 
Fanclub,  Syd Barrett, The Go-Betweens, The Karelia, Orange 
Juice...stuff like that.

So if anyone can be arsed with this, please get in touch before I 
implode from Terminal Boredom....

Tatty-bye,

A.J.


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From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 16 13:13:20 1998
From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:13:20 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Gender bending - The Happy Death of Robert McTaggart
Message-ID: <199804161211.NAA13482@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>

Vice Corporal Miller wrote:

> on the plus side, all this has given me time to think about people with
two
> christian names or two surnames, the freaks. Chris is in good company,
just
> look at this list:
> Andrew Dean, Michael Roddddddd from Screen Test, Lenny Henry, Jesse
James,
> Ben Elton, Elton John, Rodddddddd Stewart and George Michael.
> Mitchell Fraser, on the other hand, is a member of a much more exclusive
> club:
> Wilkie Collins and, erm, Brad Pitt.

Indeed. I was intrigued to read the "great" Douggie Coupland debate between
Ruth "No I'm a boy really" McCurry and Alan "No, really, it's Debbie"
Prior. What are the chances of that happening, eh? It makes me all
misty-eyed for the days when Petey came on as P Miller/Arantxa Sanchez
Viccario. I used to think that was his drag name, and that he had a comely
alter ego who looked a little like that Margarita Pracatan woman from Clive
James.

Keith "what kind of computers do you use then" Watson wrote:

> >    I'm surprised to see that we haven't had a mail from Sweden from Tag
> >yet, although perhaps he hasn't got his "plastic pal" with him, that's
no
> >excuse though cause Trousers managed to send an anonymous mail from an
> >Internet Saddo Cafe this morning to the list. I think it's about time we
> >received a postcard from Sweden.

I think I know  the answer to this little conundrum. Eagle-eyed viewers may
have noticed an advert for the film "Twilight of the Ice Nymphs" in last
Friday's Grauniad. I always hoped that Tag had simply imagineered this
film, but it seems like it's fer real. And who should be quoted on the ad?
"Deliriously absurd" - Robert McTaggart. I'm not sure who he's describing
there, but he obviously spontaneously combusted at the sight of it. At
least he died a happy tag.

Oh and Miller, this week's poem really did end like that, I just forgot the
fullstop. The saddo cafe had a defective keyboard, but other than that I
can heartily recommend it.

As you were

Trousers
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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 16 15:42:41 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:42:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Lazy Line Painter Queen
Message-ID: <0CD7A823B7CFD111892600A0C943E5AB0DE5@kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk>

	The organ bit in Lazy Line Painter Jane sounds like the organ bit in
I'm Going Slightly Mad by Queen.  Just a thought, although admittedly not a
very deep or interesting one.  Oh, link: Monica *QUEEN*.  Coincidence?
Or... evidence of an insidious glam-rock conspiracy at the heart of our
favourite popsters?  I think we should be told...

          ByeBye,
                      Liz.
                      (edaplynr3n00297 at kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk)

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Or needs to.

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From sha0801l at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 16 15:56:13 1998
From: sha0801l at xxx.uk (McDougal)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:56:13 +0100
Subject: Sinister: B&S...you should've guessed....
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980416155613.006d2da4@194.238.147.3>

	Hello to all gentlefolk, punkrockers and indiepopsters alike,

	I am currently very bored........so I'm going to go and develop some
pictures.
	
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From jonewman at xxx.org  Thu Apr 16 15:39:29 1998
From: jonewman at xxx.org (John Newman)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:39:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk CD!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980416103217.2651A-100000@m-net.arbornet.org>

Finally!

>Dear sir
>
>We shipped your two copies of the Belle & Sebastian CD - 
>Tigermilk (SSRCD-023) today.
>
>A total amount of $32 including postage has been charged
>to your VISA card.
>
>Cheers
>Raymond

John


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From sarah at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 16 15:09:09 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:09:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: its ME, so guess whats it about! cheers!
Message-ID: <fzHCTfAFEhN1EwUp@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

hey hey we're the Sinisters!
everybodeys Sinister-ing around
i don't know the rest of the words
boy i need to have a pound...

(dadadaddaadaddaada drum fill)

to buy the en-Em-me, 
because its a groovey read
and if i could only get it
i wouldn't feel so peeved...

(daddadadadad drum fill)

dont you just looove making up songs on the spot? to be sang to the tune
of hey hey we're the monkees if you didn't gather.

i'm going to make up a cheer for the Sinisterine chairleaders, so-called
cos we get to sit on chairs, and cheer. occasionally we may stand up!
and we have SPAAAARRRKLY! pom poms we get to wave about! woo!

and as for megan who talked about feminist principles, well c'mon! did
you think this was a NORMAL chairleading squad? we have boys as well as
girls, and even a monster!

so, we have ME! (RA!)
Paige (RA!)
megan? (ra!)
debbie? (ra!)
blakDWARF! (who didn't give me a name!) (RA!)
Honeymonster (RA!)

see, boys, girls, monsters, WOOO! what more could a pretty dedicated
squad of chair based cheerleaders need! nothing i say, nothing!

Gimme a S!
Gimme an I!
Gimme a N!
Gimme an I!
Gimme a S!
Gimme a T!
Gimme an E! (oo-er)
Gimme an R!

And what do you get?

S!I!N!I!S!T!E!R!

woooo! shake the sparkly pompoms! 

i ned a life!

i can't stop with the exclamation marks! WOOOOO!
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
calvin -"is it possible to refuse to inherit the world?"
hobbes -"i think if you're born its too late."
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 16 15:14:48 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:14:48 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk CD!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980416103217.2651A-100000@m-net.arbornet.org>
Message-ID: <dTjCbiAXJhN1Ew3J@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

ERP!

>Finally!
>
>>Dear sir
>>
>>We shipped your two copies of the Belle & Sebastian CD - 
>>Tigermilk (SSRCD-023) today.

UH-OH!!! here we go.........
>>
>>A total amount of $32 including postage has been charged
>>to your VISA card.

A HINT! don't tell illegal things to a list which has a RECORD COMPANY
DUDE on the them!!! crikey

you DO know that this isn't really supposed to exist? whoops.....
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
calvin -"is it possible to refuse to inherit the world?"
hobbes -"i think if you're born its too late."
                         http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk

                
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From rod at xxx.com  Thu Apr 16 16:57:36 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:57:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: I've hoovered, polished & tidied -- But I still haven't cleaned the , fridge.
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980416165340.20686J-100000@gilgamesh>

Greetings PopChums!

Ho-hum... finals are drawing closer, so I haven't been in at the Inertnet
for a while.  Hey!  Ho!  And, indeed, let's go...

On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Johnston, John CT wrote:

> Genevieve - please don't get a tattoo at least not of anybody's name.
> The coolest tattoo I've ever heard of was a 'friend of a friend' who had
> a tattoo on his toe. It said "toe". How cool is that?? Perhaps you could
> get 'bum' tattooed on your bum - that'd be great.

I knew someone who had an eye tatooed onto each bumcheek.  His party piece
was to invite girls to kiss him between the eyes, then drop his keks.

Lovely fellow.  Answered to the name of "Yeti".

On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Alan Prior wrote:

> ok, i'm just watching Top of the Pops

Which is getting it's umpteenth revamp in the summer.  Ho-hum.  Does
anyone watch TOTP just for the theme tune?

And wasn't that Jo Whiley thing cack last night?

> Please don't anyone start accusing me of being ageist i just think people
> should know when to stop, ie. after they've reached their peak (did Daniel
> O'Donnel have one?) and shouldn't keep flogging a dead horse

The bus I get home goes past the Edinburger Playhouse.  Last summer, there
was a queue outside for *four* days of Daniel O'Donnell fans waiting for
tickets of their beloved.  They had deckchairs out and banners and posters
and it was truly terrifying.  They were all ladies "of a certain age". 
Fashion Tip:  Legging are *not* (I repeat, *NOT*) flattering.  Especially
if your arse is already brushing the pavement. 

Hmmm... Upcoming Shows at the Playhouse:  Yes, Roy "Chubby" Brown, a Queen
tribute band, and Gary Barlow.  Let's just bomb the f---ing building now
and be done with it.  (Actually, let's not bother.. "Sesame Street's Let
Be Friends" is on in a fortnight)

> can you guess that i'm ever so slightly bored? as i've previously said,
> there are sooo many ways of avoiding studying...think i'll go and gaze out
> the window for a while. although eastenders is on soon...

These exams are costing me a fortune, cause I keep on going out for walks,
and since I don't smoke any more, I tend to just walk to the supermarket/
corner shop/all night garage and buy some Pringles or cookies or
Cup-A-Soups or whatever, whether I need them or not.

What is the point of "croutons" in Cup-A-Soups?  They just get in the way
and make the soup difficult to drink.

On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, Jim Nisbet wrote:

> Did anyone else see the compilation of bands from 'Don't Look Down' on 
> Scottish Television last Thursday night/Friday morning?

One of them was shown a couple of new years ago.  I got in at some
unsuitable hour, switched on the telly, and proceeded to shout "F---ing
hell!  It's Urusei Yatsura" at some of the comatose bodies curled up in
sleeping bags on the carpet.  I wasn't terribly popular after that.

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Sarah wrote:

> hmm, other topic, i used to obsessed with buyng the maker, just for a
> few writers, sorry to say it, but then they stopped writing, the SPICE
> GIRLS popped up on the front cover, i've given up cos my olf favey paper
> turne into Smash Hits. NO, reading Smash hits is NOT soofunny and
> ironic, its being a sad tosser.

Smash Hits *was* very good until about 18 months ago.  Mark Sutherland
(now editor of Melody Maker, and a damn fine writer) was their "King of
Indie" and the quirky sense of humour of the magazine made for
entertaining reading.  Then the editor left (to edit Sky) and a dopey
bitch Mirror showbiz writer took over, and the whole thing lost direction
totally.

I mean, pick up a copy of the Hits now, and compare it to the Hits of old.
The days of "Crap Joke Corner" and "Professor Trevor Clevertrousers" and
"The Nosey-Parker Interview".  It just ain't the same.

MS's replacement as indie writer, Ben Knowles, is also working on the
Maker now, I notice.

FWIW, IPC's mission statement for the two papers is to separate the
readership of the inkies.  NME will be aimed at an older audience, whereas
the Maker will become a kind of half-way point for teenagers who want to
be seen with a "credible" music mag, but find the NME a bit too far
leftfield.  'strue. 

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, The Boy With The X-Ray Eyes! wrote:

> On the subject of people with 2 surnames, when I was about 6 i had a
> freind called Campbell Steele, as my name is colin campbell, we decided
> that if we ever got married he would be called campbell campbell!
> cool, huh.

I met someone called "Campbell Bell", who was generally known as "Camp
Bellbell".  'strue.

On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, poetryplace2 wrote:

> Indeed. I was intrigued to read the "great" Douggie Coupland debate between
> Ruth "No I'm a boy really" McCurry and Alan "No, really, it's Debbie"
> Prior. What are the chances of that happening, eh?

And finally, my useful hint for the day...  If you're wanting technical
advice in a support newsgroup, post using a girl's name.  You get about 20
times more responses. 

	rosie
	   xxx

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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Thu Apr 16 22:17:42 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:17:42 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Re:Gender bending - The Happy Death of Robert McTaggart
Message-ID: <199804161718_MC2-3A20-C304@compuserve.com>

Message text written by "poetryplace2"
>Indeed. I was intrigued to read the "great" Douggie Coupland debate
between
Ruth "No I'm a boy really" McCurry and Alan "No, really, it's Debbie"
Prior. What are the chances of that happening, eh?<

Bah, foiled again...knew i couldn't fool supersleuth Trousers for too long.
Yes indeed, my true name is actually Alan and i am a moustachoid, balding,
middle-aged accountant from sussex. Indeed, i only joined this list in the
first place so i could delight in off-list chats with nubile young lasses
like the luscious, yet slightly deranged, Sarah. And i would've gotten away
with it too, if it weren't for you pesky kids....

damn you, Flash Gordon (or should i say, 'Trousers'),
"Debbie" (pah! yous don't deserve any love or kisses today...)

"Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb!" - Batman
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From u01cjtc at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 16 23:43:31 1998
From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (The Boy With The X-Ray Eyes!)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:43:31 +0100 (BST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980416232830.13825A-100000@sysa.abdn.ac.uk>

Me again,hello.

Cheerleading, indeed. A reliable source has informed me that while she was
cheerleader for her high school football (american) team, in canada, one
of the roles the cheerleading squad would undertake, to give the boys a
"pep" was to give them blow jobs when required. I was just wondering that
as you are the sinisterines, would you give us lot blow jobs or save them
for the band?

On a less messy note, the veiw from the fourth floor of edinburgh
university library, is  amazing, especially today when the pentlands were
all covered in snow.
Lovely sunset too.

I wish I could have a B&S dream, but alas no, I did once dream about the
verve though, I was following them around, but got distracted when
supergrass walked by followed by most of the girls I have ever fancied,
then when I went to get there autographs I looked in my bag to get a pen ,
and when I looked up they were gone and I woke up.

It is indeed cruel the way that Campbell can be split into 2, Camp and
Bell.

At the moment I am chewing a cotton bud that I have previously used to
clean my ears with, only not the cotton bits.

I have also drunk tooo much coffeee resulting in what you have just read.

bye
the Camp Bell.



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From jane at xxx.net  Fri Apr 17 01:39:09 1998
From: jane at xxx.net (jane at xxx.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:39:09 +1000
Subject: Sinister: daniel o'donnell
References: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980416165340.20686J-100000@gilgamesh>
Message-ID: <3536A4AD.63ED@cola.net>

hi all

can i be an incredibly naive antipodean and ask:

who the hell is daniel o'donnell?

descriptions please.

ta

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From twinkle at xxx.net  Fri Apr 17 03:30:47 1998
From: twinkle at xxx.net (petula)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:30:47 -0400
Subject: Sinister: ink-ay olaroid-pay
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980416223047.007a0a00@aracnet.net>

Peeps,

	Having to do without IRC tonight as I'm having the most damning pooter
problems in the whole wide world <insert childish whining here>, so I'm
forced to settle for some old fashioned email and relate an e-snap that was
taken late last night...

	It's 1 am and I'm sitting in the wicker chair on my front porch, dressed
in my penguin flannel pyjamas and the white cardigan that my gran made me
before she passed away. See, I couldn't sleep, as I'd been a bundle of
nerves all day trying to sort out a nasty bureaucratic error in my college
application. According to their computer records I'd FAILED the laughably
easy english essay that was to sift the chaff from the straw so to speak.
Yeah, I noticed my hair's sticking up, thanks!

	But anyhow, after tossing and turning for ages I'd decided to take my
walkman and sit outside for a while. 'Cos the street was MINE at that hour,
all still and heavy with the scent of forsythia, and B&S singing in my
ears. My own private concert. 

	I do have a slight smile, and that's because the little lamp in our lawn
was casting that late night glow that made even a girl in her silly pyjamas
feel like Jean Harlow. I remember, the air had a warm humidity to it that
made my heart go mush with pleasant thoughts of those dates in high school
where you were both too broke to do much besides go for coffee and walk
around for hours, until it was 2 am and you KNEW you'd get a romantic kiss
good night and then run inside giggling to yourself, grabbing the cat and
making it hug you when all it wanted was a midnight snack. And aren't those
the best kinds of dates anyhow?

	Soon enough, I felt my eyelids drooping and returned to bed. Little did I
know that the next day, the college bureaucrats who had been so snide the
day before would be tripping over themselves to apologise for their error,
which had marked my essay as failing instead of 85%.

elisa xo
(listening to ennio morricone's 'la moda' at the moment) 

p.s. pardon the crap pig latin, I'm sure it's all wrong!

P.P.S. Sometimes it's better to be loved than it is to love...
(this is from a Sandy Posey song I was listening to earlier)

	





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From tangent at xxx.net  Fri Apr 17 09:16:38 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:16:38 +0100
Subject: Sinister: ink postcard
References: <3.0.1.32.19980415110721.0093f620@scooter.gcal.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <35370FE6.F8C47A35@lineone.net>

hey folks, the duchess and i are on our hols, hiding away from the world
down in the depths of Cornwall, so we thought since Tag hasn't sent a
postcard, we would...

The momunment you can see on the headland just beyond the white and
yellow house is the MArconi monument, and it's near where the first
wireless transmissions were made from. It feels kind of strange to be
sitting in a hotel room writing and sending email and to be able to see
a monument to communications technology. I'm looking out on the sea and
thinking about a Revolving Paint Dream song, whilst two old ladies, one
in a red hat and one in blue, walk their labradors along the cliff path.
Clouds are moving across from the east. The duchess has just given me a
birthday card, and it has two golden hearts on the front. It's now
sitting next to a pile of postcards from the Tate at St Ives, which we
visited yesterday. The top card is Paul Feiler's Inclined Oval Brown,
and that's the one i'm sending you...

keep the faith,

the duke and duchess of harringay.



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From aevans at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 17 09:24:17 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:24:17 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Splatford to Lower Dean
Message-ID: <01BD69E2.9C754B60@pc07628>


Tim Hopkins wrote :

>Um, what else? Travelled from Rugby to Lincoln at the weekend in search >of a football game which never was. Arse. 

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Haw Haw Haw Haw Tee Hee Hee Hee Coo Hoo Hoo Hoo.

-- 
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I have not got child-bearing hips.....alright ?
Adrian Evans
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From cja1000 at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 17 09:59:06 1998
From: cja1000 at xxx.uk (Chris)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:59:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Jay Kay
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980417095753.15213A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

No B&S dreams - in fact no B&S content - but my housemate is very proud of
a dream he once had where Jamiroquai were doing a concert in his garage.

C.

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From John.Johnston at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 17 10:13:55 1998
From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:13:55 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Jay Kay
Message-ID: <199804170912.KAA03649@hgty.capgemini.co.uk>

Chris from Cambridge wrote
>No B&S dreams - in fact no B&S content - but my housemate is very proud of
>a dream he once had where Jamiroquai were doing a concert in his garage.

Reminds me of a dream I had when I was playing Tennis against Goran
Ivanisevic (the Turbo Croat!) in my garden. We had the full Wimbledon
set-up, umpire, line judges, ball boys etc. I remember Goran was serving
from the end nearest the house and I obviously wasn't getting anywhere
near returning them but I kept thinking "I'm a plucky
Brit-going-out-in-the-first-round - I'm going to be on Grandstand..."

It was part of a string of odd sports dreams I had when doing my finals.
The weirdest was a cross country race which had a staggered start from
where the golf ball you drove off with landed. I was winning until near
the end when I took a wrong turning (psychoanalysts on yer marks...). I
remember the winner ran barefoot and he'd spent the night sleeping on
the stones at Stonehenge.

Gladstone Small - 2 surnames and no neck - but devastating comming in
off the full run.

Hello to all Glasgow picknickers - I'll try and be there for as long as
I can but I've got to go back south on Saturday but I'd like to say
hello at least

xx
john



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From Andrew.Dean at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 17 10:35:07 1998
From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.uk (Andrew.Dean at xxx.uk)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:35:07 +0100
Subject: Sinister: THAT NME interview
Message-ID: <802565E9.00344D4C.00@bull.co.uk>


you know, the one from november, the dreadful one. i don't think it was
ever posted here. anyway, i've just scanned and ocr-ed it and i'm now
posting it for your reading pleasure... i'll do the first part now and see
what it looks like via email (i've a feeling it'll look dreadful) and post
the rest if it's ok and fiddle with it beforehand if it isn't... anyway,
enjoy...



     Their singer is the mild-mannered janitor of his local church hall.
The rest of the band (six in all) have never been pictured together. In a
year-and-a-half, they've only managed to play 15 gigs. By rights, no-one
should ever have heard of them. Yet last week, they were invited on Top Of
The Pops.
     This is the story of Belle & Sebastian; a Glaswegian group borne from
obsession who now inspire devotion among thousands; a phenomenon comparable
only to the advent of The Smiths in the mid-'80s; and a collection of seven
of the most contrary and secretive people ever to make it into the Top 40.
     The origins of their success can be traced to the slight form of
Stuart Murdoch, a 29-year-old ex-choirboy and one-time boxer, who'd always
dreamed of starting a band. In January 1996, after years spent leaving
hopeful notes scrawled in the windows of music shops, he succeeded: Belle &
Sebastian were formed, and, two months later, 'Tigermilk' (a debut album
limited to 1,000 copies and financed by the local college) found its way on
to national radio.
     'Tigermilk' was a record that took everybody by surprise: a debut
album that combined the urban romance of the Tindersticks with the brittle
folk of Nick Drake; a wrenching collection of songs riddled with quiet
humour and failed love; and an outsider's Bible that addressed an audience
long since neglected.

     From the outset, Belle & Sebastian were different: Murdoch wrote all
the songs but was reluctant to be interviewed and absolutely refused to be
photographed (as did most of the band). As a result, they were forced to
issue a series of perverse press shots of cuddly toys and 'playful'
car-crash mock-ups. This on its own was enough to fuel imaginations, and
their next album 'If You're Feeling Sinister' went on to sell over 15,000
copies.
     Since then, a series of EPs have propelled them to even greater
heights of popularity, culminating in their current release (the '3... 6...
9 Seconds Of Light' EP) making the Top 40. All this time, NME has been
desperately striving to interview them, only to be rebuffed at every turn.
Seemingly, Belle & Sebastian were a principled anomaly, mavericks in the
carefully-marketed world of modern music.
     Then we met them...

ok, more this afternoon i guess...

cheers
andy
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From Andrew.Dean at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 17 10:43:06 1998
From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.uk (Andrew.Dean at xxx.uk)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:43:06 +0100
Subject: Sinister: THAT NME interview part ii
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that looked ok. second part then.

BELLE & SEBASTIAN ARE both busy and prone to indecision As such, when we
pull up in front of the Grosvenor Cafe in Glasgow's West End (the
apocryphal starting point for the band, and, oh yes, Del Amitri's local),
we can't be sure who will be there.
     One thing's for certain, it won't be guitarist Stevie Jackson. We've
just seen him marching oft in the opposite direction. Nor will it be the
man responsible for all their songs to date bar one. Stuart Murdoch has now
officially stopped doing interviews altogether, lest he overshadows the
rest of the band. These days, the talking is done by whoever feels like it
(which normally isn't anyone, but today consists of drummer Richard Colburn
and bassist Stuart David).
     Or at least, that's the idea. Actually, we only get both for about 30
seconds. Having posed for a few photos (which won't come out because this
is a particularly dingy cafe'), Richard hurries oft to check his car, which
is parked on a double yellow line. This leaves us with Stuart, his friend.
and not much time.
     The friend is Neil Robertson; sometime manager, aspiring bassist and
provider of moral support in the face of tricky questioning. As soon as we
reach the table, he turns his tape recorder on. Or rather, he tries to.
Unfortunately, his batteries are dead, so his plan for keeping a thorough
check on NME fizzles out disappointingly. Stuart, meanwhile, has already
started complaining.
     "We don't ask to be interviewed," he rambles irritably. "I don't know
if our press officer goes looking for them, but we certainly don't ask him
to. We're not out to get that sort of publicity.
     "Having said that, I don't mind having my picture taken, it's just I
don't want to go out of my way. I've got a lot of things to do this
afternoon, I've got some important shopping to do. I don't want to spend
any more time on band duties for a couple of weeks."
     Stuart falls silent and Neil flashes him a reassuring glance: it'll be
OK. It's worth rioting that we haven't actually asked a question yet.
Fearful of what will happen if we do, we politely enquire as to why they
object so much to interviews.
     "Everyone in the band likes a good interview," smiles Stuart, "but
there are so many more bad ones than good ones, we all got fed up with
doing them."
     Is that why Stuart (Murdoch) Stopped talking to the press?
     "No, I think he just stopped because of pressure from some people in
the band who didn't like him getting all the attention. I personally think
he should fake more responsibility for his creative role. The rest of us
only know how the band operates, why we do it and what our own input is,
only he knows what he's actually trying to say in his songs and what he
does it for."
     The utter pointlessness of this conversation flashes briefly before
us. Fortunately, with the time at 2.30pm, and with only another
three-and-a-half hours to go until the shops close for the day, Stuart
David makes his apologies and disappears out of the door in search of his
important shopping.
     He is immediately replaced by the ever genial Richard who, having
avoided a possible traffic violation, now wishes to take us to a nearby
studio to meet up with the rest of the band, some 0 whom may even be in the
mood for light conversation. There is even talk of "photographic
opportunities"...

third and final part in two shakes of a lamb's tail

andy




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From Andrew.Dean at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 17 10:45:11 1998
From: Andrew.Dean at xxx.uk (Andrew.Dean at xxx.uk)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:45:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: THAT NME interview part iii
Message-ID: <802565E9.0035643F.00@bull.co.uk>

three is the magic number, yes it is...

FIVE MINUTES LATER, WE find ourselves sitting in the waiting room of a
disused church. What's more, we're in the presence of Stuart Murdoch. Not
that's he chatting to us, mind you, rather he's looking on as the rest of
his group - bar the two girls, Isobel Campbell (cello) and Sarah Martin
(violin) - bicker about photos.
     "I don't want to do it," declares the recently arrived Stevie. "I lust
look stupid in photos."
     "I'll do it," volunteers Richard.
     "I'll be in it too," adds the not-actually-in-the-band Neil.
     "Well, I'm not going to be in it," snorts Chris Geddes indignantly,
before returning to his book (The A To Z Of Synthesizer Technology).
     The pains of being principled are becoming more obvious by the minute.
A suggestion that this is something of a fuss about nothing is met with
withering glares. Stuart Murdoch insists that he's strictly here to pack
his equipment into a van and storms off into a different room. Finally, a
compromise is reached: the whole band (bar Stuart, naturally, who will
frizzle up and die if a camera is even waved in his general direction)
agree to be photographed while they're shifting their instruments out of
the studio.
     Slowly, we all troop down to the basement. The NME photographer is
forced to stand in the rain for ten minutes and take occasional snaps of
people with their heads obscured by amps. With much giggling, the task is
completed, and Stuart Murdoch climbs into the driver's seat and speeds off
around the corner.  Unsurprisingly, we don't see him again.
     Back in the waiting room, Richard offers to appear in a few posed
shots In the main church. After some cajoling, Stevie agrees to loin him,
but only if he can play the banjo. While they're gone, Chris confides that
in the future the band are considering getting a friend to take one picture
of them all playing live and forcing magazines to use that ("It'll show us
doing what we do"). We smile wanly, and begin to wonder whether our
patience will hold out indefinitely.
     It doesn't. When we finally get Stevie, Richard and Chris huddled
around the tape recorder, we demand to know why they insist on making such
a big deal out of everything.
     "It wasn't a big deal," declares an astonished Stevie.
     "You'd been told in advance that you were allowed to come up and take
pictures of two of the band and that's what happened," argues Chris.
"Haven't we got the right to say, 'No'?"
     We just have to indulge you, then?
     "That's up to you."
     Right.
     "Anyway," reasons Stevie, it was Radio 1 that made us, because they
got sent a copy of 'Tigermilk' and played it all the time. We've been in
the music press a few times, but... um, I don't know, I just feel we were
championed more by the radio."
     This, of course, is true. Belle & Sebastian's career was given impetus
by the radio, and they haven't had to rely on the press since. A fact that
seems to have endowed them with a sense of moral superiority. They know
that they are a rarity: a band who owe their progress almost entirely to
their own efforts and to the fact that their songs perfectly mirror the
tribulations of a long-neglected section of the record-buying public.
Stuart Murdoch's songs are a rallying point for the disaffected. For the
most part his characters are burdened with awful clothes and physical
deformities, they've been bullied and spent their lives as victims and yet
in these songs they're treated as heroes. And for many people that's
undoubtedly their appeal.
     "That's fair enough," admits Stevie.
     "Maybe," mutters Chris (whose favourite group is Primal Scream and
isn't overly keen on being portrayed as a softy). "Although, I like to
think that most of the people who listen to us can see beyond 'indie'
music, but I'm probably just kidding myself.
     "We're probably the last bastion of indie bedroom stuff to most
people, I just don't see it like that. I think we've got more in common
with the Muscles Shoals rhythm section (legendary R&B backing band - Ed)
than, say, The Smiths, and I honestly, honestly believe that..."
     "The way we work we're more like Sly & The Family Stone," reveals
Richard astonishingly.
     Except wired on felt-tip pens rather than crystal meth. But anyway...
     "The songs are all just about buses and school girls as far as I can
make out," offers Chris. "What else do you need to know?"
     Well quite a lot actually.. it would be quite interesting to know why
a 29-year-old man is writing in the style of a disaffected teenager for a
start. unfortunately, in the absence of Stuart Murdoch, that (arguably the
most interesting thing about Belle & Sebastian) is something we're not
destined to find out. Instead, as our time runs out, we're treated to some
jokes.
     "Well, that's his genius, isn't it?" quips Chris. "He's cornered that
niche in the market. We sat in the pub one night, coked out of our brains
and we thought, 'Who can we sell this to?'..."
     "Maybe we should put a parental advisory sticker on all our records,"
suggests Richard. "'Warning: this record might contain tweeness.' Ha ha
ha."
     It's the last (half) sensible thing that they have to say. As they get
up to leave we're left wondering what we can make of a group that write
such poignant and heart-wrenching songs, but act with such incredible
self-indulgence.
     From afar, their success looks like a triumph for principled actions,
up close it looks like an accident of bad behaviour. After all, here is a
band who seem to object to doing interviews and photographs simply because
they can't be bothered rather than because of any radical manifesto. It's
hardly punk rock. is it? Still, that's their prerogative.
     As for Stuart Murdoch, he claims he'll never do another interview. In
light of how his band presents itself in his absence, may we suggest he
thinks again?

Grrrr

andy

next, that candy factory interview...


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From v3bodnol at xxx.se  Fri Apr 17 10:59:04 1998
From: v3bodnol at xxx.se (Perfection As A Hipster)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:59:04 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Sinister: ink postcard
Message-ID: <199804170959.LAA07363@ulmo.stud.slu.se>

Alistair wrote ...

>I'm looking out on the sea and thinking about a Revolving Paint Dream song

Either "Green sea blue" or "Sun, sea, sand" ... The Revolving Paint Dream
must be one of my most favourite bands ever, the _Mother Watch Me Burn_ CD
is readily available for a bargain ... most probably filed under Essential
Listening Pleasure.

"Flowers in the sky"

Andreas

The rain it raineth on the just
And also on the unjust fella
But more upon the just because 
The unjust steals the just's umbrella

(Charles Baron Bowen)

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Apr 16 22:17:12 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:17:12 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Do My Eyes Deceive Me?
Message-ID: <01bd697d$06a13aa0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>

Before I get down to business, a quick word of thanks to Keith Watson.
Somehow Keith deduced that I was a little down in the dumps due to my
inability to go away on holiday, even for a day, and decided to cheer me up
by sending me some remarkable documentary footage of a man shoving his head
up a horse's bum. It appears to be some kind of circus, only with people
sticking their heads up horse's jacksies instead of the usual stuff. It
certainly made my day, as well as putting paid to a few anatomical
misconceptions of mine. Anyway, if anyone wants to see a man shove his head
up a horse's behind, I'm sure Keith will oblige. It's things like this that
bring people together, regardless of distance or language barriers. Hooray
for Keith!

Trousers, sorry for ever doubting the Monday poem, I think I was just a bit
short of rubbish to spout. Certainly not the case today, my cup overfloweth.

Thank you Tim for the reggae tips. I'll bear them in mind when I get paid. I
think you've spotted what I think I'm after, heavy roots. My vocabulary is a
bit restricted, but what I'm really after is something akin to the feeling
you get when paddling up the jungle-lined river to the heart of the Belgian
Congo in a crude dug-out canoe. I think Horace Andy seemed a bit of a
letdown because it sounds much cleaner than the others. I bought two, both
Blood and Fire, In the Light and Good Vibes. They are definitely growing on
me, they're just a bit different. The dub version of In the Light is really
good though. It has helped make it painfully obvious that I need to invest
in a super woofer of some description. I also bought 2 Heavyweight - Another
Blood and Fire Sampler, which is smashing. I could go on and on, but I
won't......

Roddddddddd, good luck with your exams. By the way, does Rodddddddddd stand
for Rodddddddddddney or Roddddddddddderick?

I think those Tigermilk bootlegs are fakes.

Peter

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From tangent at xxx.net  Fri Apr 17 09:16:38 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:16:38 +0100
Subject: Sinister: ink postcard
References: <3.0.1.32.19980415110721.0093f620@scooter.gcal.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <35370FE6.F8C47A35@lineone.net>

hey folks, the duchess and i are on our hols, hiding away from the world
down in the depths of Cornwall, so we thought since Tag hasn't sent a
postcard, we would...

The momunment you can see on the headland just beyond the white and
yellow house is the MArconi monument, and it's near where the first
wireless transmissions were made from. It feels kind of strange to be
sitting in a hotel room writing and sending email and to be able to see
a monument to communications technology. I'm looking out on the sea and
thinking about a Revolving Paint Dream song, whilst two old ladies, one
in a red hat and one in blue, walk their labradors along the cliff path.
Clouds are moving across from the east. The duchess has just given me a
birthday card, and it has two golden hearts on the front. It's now
sitting next to a pile of postcards from the Tate at St Ives, which we
visited yesterday. The top card is Paul Feiler's Inclined Oval Brown,
and that's the one i'm sending you...

keep the faith,

the duke and duchess of harringay.



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From tangent at xxx.net  Fri Apr 17 09:16:38 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:16:38 +0100
Subject: Sinister: ink postcard
References: <3.0.1.32.19980415110721.0093f620@scooter.gcal.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <35370FE6.F8C47A35@lineone.net>

hey folks, the duchess and i are on our hols, hiding away from the world
down in the depths of Cornwall, so we thought since Tag hasn't sent a
postcard, we would...

The momunment you can see on the headland just beyond the white and
yellow house is the MArconi monument, and it's near where the first
wireless transmissions were made from. It feels kind of strange to be
sitting in a hotel room writing and sending email and to be able to see
a monument to communications technology. I'm looking out on the sea and
thinking about a Revolving Paint Dream song, whilst two old ladies, one
in a red hat and one in blue, walk their labradors along the cliff path.
Clouds are moving across from the east. The duchess has just given me a
birthday card, and it has two golden hearts on the front. It's now
sitting next to a pile of postcards from the Tate at St Ives, which we
visited yesterday. The top card is Paul Feiler's Inclined Oval Brown,
and that's the one i'm sending you...

keep the faith,

the duke and duchess of harringay.



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From tangent at xxx.net  Fri Apr 17 09:16:38 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:16:38 +0100
Subject: Sinister: ink postcard
References: <3.0.1.32.19980415110721.0093f620@scooter.gcal.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <35370FE6.F8C47A35@lineone.net>

hey folks, the duchess and i are on our hols, hiding away from the world
down in the depths of Cornwall, so we thought since Tag hasn't sent a
postcard, we would...

The momunment you can see on the headland just beyond the white and
yellow house is the MArconi monument, and it's near where the first
wireless transmissions were made from. It feels kind of strange to be
sitting in a hotel room writing and sending email and to be able to see
a monument to communications technology. I'm looking out on the sea and
thinking about a Revolving Paint Dream song, whilst two old ladies, one
in a red hat and one in blue, walk their labradors along the cliff path.
Clouds are moving across from the east. The duchess has just given me a
birthday card, and it has two golden hearts on the front. It's now
sitting next to a pile of postcards from the Tate at St Ives, which we
visited yesterday. The top card is Paul Feiler's Inclined Oval Brown,
and that's the one i'm sending you...

keep the faith,

the duke and duchess of harringay.



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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 17 13:42:39 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:42:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Hooray Hooray, it's an indie holiday
Message-ID: <01bd69fe$4e5d50f0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

Duke! Keep 'em coming! Each one's better than the last! Indeed I had a
similar experience yesterday - I couldn't make my mind up whether or not to
go to Glasgow, I was totally knackered, but I'd been called a "puff" for not
going, so in the end I didn't go and took a short trip to Portobello beach
instead which was lovely, if exceptionally windy - and I stared out into the
Firth of Forth at the lovely towns on the other side, Kircaldy, Methil etc.
I also saw "Sunshine on Leith" - sorry for gratuitiously slipping that in
there, I'm not just showing off my pop knowlege. It was really lovely and I
had a Colour me Badd song running through my head (it was indeed "I wanna
sex you up, however I don't know the name of the album, perhaps someone will
know).

    Roddddddddddddney, I've noticed that on the buses there's an advert on
the back of them advertising the arrival of Roy "Chubby" Brown in Edinburgh
and advising that he's going to stick his helmet through the curtains - I
thought this was particularly rude for the back of a bus - and indeed, not
quite in the spirit of the B+S lyrics, so can I suggest you don't mention
Roy "Chubby" Brown again on the list.

    It has gone spookily quiet of late - the Americans in particular are
being exceptionally quiet, new people as well, you'll have to start posting
some stuff! Perhaps some introddddddddddddductions are in order.

    I'm Keith and I'm 25, I program computers in Edinburgh for a living.
We're also having a picnic in Glasgow next weekend. Meeting outside Fopp in
Byres road - so if anyone wants to come along to that who hasn't already
mailed, please do. Come on... you know you want to, we're not all weirdos!


    Cheers,
        Keith.


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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Fri Apr 17 14:22:49 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:22:49 -0400
Subject: Sinister: if you're happy and you know it clap your hands <silence>
Message-ID: <199804170923_MC2-3A36-202F@compuserve.com>

Message text written by Rod Begbie
>And wasn't that Jo Whiley thing cack last night?<

NO! It was ace, i think... but maybe only because it had 4 of my top 10
sexiest people ever in it... then tosser Goldie was there to ruin it all.
Bah. And that singer from the dandy warhols has *the* sexiest eyebrows in
rock. fact.

Message text written by Sarah
>i'm going to make up a cheer for the Sinisterine chairleaders, so-called
cos we get to sit on chairs, and cheer. occasionally we may stand up!
and we have SPAAAARRRKLY! pom poms we get to wave about! woo!<

okay, okay...i relent. i shall join your 'chairleaders' squad!! 'specially
as the pom poms are of the sparkly spangly variety...Ra!
(not sucking anyone's cock, though; might get feathers in me mouth...)
>heehee. all this talk of Roddddddddddd, has got me thinking of Roddney
from only fools and horses. thanks for that.<

had forgotten about him. i was thinking more along the lines of
Rodddddddddddddddddddd Hull, meself. And not forgetting Emu and Grotbags,
Hehehe.

Where's everybody gone? C'mon, post something, i'm bored out of my tiny
mind sitting about here. First exam; 6 May. How much work have i done?
None. Only 8 plays, 3 books and 20 poems to study... and the rest. Someone
give me some ideas to write about for my creative writing folio which has
to be sent away on wednesday. haven't written anything yet... what's the
best way of commiting suicide? for myself, i mean, not the stories...

going to make up another compilation tape now...

love,
debbie xxx.

'WHAT IS THE USE OF A BOOK', THOUGHT ALICE, 'WITHOUT PICTURES OR
CONVERSATIONS?'
-Alice in Wonderland
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From rod at xxx.com  Fri Apr 17 14:49:57 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:49:57 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Mary Anne Hobbs, now little more than a bag of lymph, is rolled from , her studio and drained into a sink...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980417144659.21115F-100000@nanai>

On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 jane at cola.net wrote:

> who the hell is daniel o'donnell?

I ventured over to Yahoo, did a search, and uncovered:
http://www.infowing.ie/donegal/daniel/Daniel.htm

It is the funniest site I have seen since http://www.nickross.co.uk !  It
is just *unreal*.  I thought it was a piss-take at first, after the
message on the opening page ("I'm delighted to welcome you to the official
Daniel O'Donnell web site. I felt that when Buckingham Palace got their
own Internet presence, then I needed to have one as well.") but it appears
to be entirely genuine.

Laugh?  I nearly wet 'em.

On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Alan Prior wrote:
> "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb!" - Batman

Another classic movie quote from Mr/Mrs/Ms (delete as appropriate) Prior. 
Pass me the Bat-Shark Repellant Spray, please. 

"Lollypops.  Come and get your lovely Lolleeepopssss" - The Kiddycatcher

On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, PJMiller wrote:

> [Keith] decided to cheer me up
> by sending me some remarkable documentary footage of a man shoving his head
> up a horse's bum.

I want 500quid in unmarked bills, or I'll post the URL of the animated GIF
showing a man pooing into a lady's mouth (which someone once e-mailed me
as "the sickest thing I have ever seen")

> Roddddddddd, good luck with your exams.

Cheers.  I'm halfway between suicidely depressed and denial.  Life's
great, innit?

> By the way, does Rodddddddddd stand
> for Rodddddddddddney or Roddddddddddderick?

Rodddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddderick.

On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Keith Watson wrote:

>     It has gone spookily quiet of late - the Americans in particular are
> being exceptionally quiet, new people as well, you'll have to start posting
> some stuff! Perhaps some introddddddddddddductions are in order.

OK... Rod, 21, CompSci student, living in Edinburgh.  I'm about three
months away from graduating, and four months away from moving to Boston. 
My finals start on Tuesday, and I'm cacking meself. 

On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Alan Prior wrote:

> Message text written by Rod Begbie
> >And wasn't that Jo Whiley thing cack last night?<
> 
> NO! It was ace, i think... but maybe only because it had 4 of my top 10
> sexiest people ever in it... then tosser Goldie was there to ruin it all.

I was just pissed off because they showed that All Saints video (which is
spectacularly dull, and will be *EVERYWHERE* for the next month or so) but
not the new Drugstore one, which I haven't seen yet, but want to because
it features Isobel Montiero who is my all-time favourite Brazillian
chain-smoking granny dwarf woman.  Anyone else going to their show at The
Venue in a fortnight?

> Bah. And that singer from the dandy warhols has *the* sexiest eyebrows in
> rock. fact.

If it wasn't for those bloody exams, I'd be going over to Glesga to see
them on Tuesday ('specially since The 'Store are supporting).  Someone
said on the list that they didn't like them 'cause they sounded like a
sub-standard Inspirals rip-off, whereas I like them for that exact same
reason.  (And am I unique in having absolutely no desire in seeing Zippy
(or whatever her name is)'s boobies?)

> what's the
> best way of commiting suicide? for myself, i mean, not the stories...

Blue Jam two weeks ago had a monologue about this.  The final outcome was
the best way was to tie a noose around your neck, tie the other end to a
lamppost, then get into your car and drive really quickly.  Of course, you
need someone else there to stop the car from crashing after you die.

Are there any BJ fans on this list?  It's Chris Morris' latest radio
outing, and is the most scary, offensive and/or bizarre "comedy" programme
in the entire history of the world.  It's on at 1am on a Thursday night
(if you see what I mean) on Radio 1, and is truely terrifying.

Some transcripts exist at http://www.koekie.org.uk/funnel/bluejam/ and I
have tapes of all episodes broadcast so far, so if anyone's after a copy,
give me an e-mail.

Rod.

                                    Rod Begbie @ http://www.begbie.com |
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From tangent at xxx.net  Fri Apr 17 15:03:40 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:03:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: ink postcard
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for andreas' attention and anyone else interested, it was Green Sea Blue
:-) and here's some more postcards from the edge of england...

this is one of me sitting on the 'kissing stones'. it's a rocky
protusion on the cliff edge, and there's two rocks on the path side
leaning against each other, just touching at the top. it really does
look like they're kissing. Anyway, i'm leaning over the edge because i'm
trying to get a good angle to take a picture of the sea way below. The
duchess is telling me to be careful, because the wind is so strong, and
it wouldn't do to fall down the cliffs on my birthday. The wind is
indeed so strong it's taking my breath away.

this next one is us sitting drawing mullion harbour and cliffs. the
duchess is drawing the rocks because she likes landscapes but i'm
drawing the harbour, which sticks out at a lovely angle, because i like
consructions and geometry. we've found a little patch of grass which is
sheltered from the wind, and the sun patches that pass with frequency
are welcome for their warmth. Somewhere up to our left there's the
sounds of birdsong.

this last one is of the number on the side of a boat in mullion harbour.
It reads 253, and it's painted white on blue, with the paint all flaking
and fading. As i take the picture an old fisherman shouts over with a
laugh that they're going to burn the boat tomorrow. we're laughing back,
but out of awkwardness more than anything else, because we don't know if
he's telling the truth or just taking the piss out of the tourist,
making pictures out of things that are used to earn liveliehoods.



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From tangent at xxx.net  Fri Apr 17 15:18:25 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:18:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: sorry
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sorry about the multi posting of my first postcard kids... i've sorted
the problem now i think :-)

the duke


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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Fri Apr 17 15:47:07 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:47:07 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Balderdash!
Message-ID: <01bd6a0f$b26ec720$LocalHost@itjfvkli>

Introduction:

Hi, I'm Peter and I'm 29 years of age. Today isn't my birthday, ha ha ha ha
ha ha! I'm a part-time cabaret artiste and translator of tourist
information, which you'll soon all be able to click on on the web. I'll even
have my own little Union Jack! I'm just listening to my favourite piece of
music of all time,  a track by Gene Ammons called "Jug Eyes". What a funny
title! I'm also one of the world's leading reggae authorities.

Andy Dean Tribute:

Thanks for sending in that interview, old chap. I've been waiting a long
time to see it. I thought it made entertaining reading, and wasn't as much
of a slagging as I had expected. I mean, the journalist came out of it
looking a lot dafter than the band, whose jokes were well up to standard, at
least round here. Stuart Murdoch must be well chuffed with that line about
leaping into the driver's seat and speeding off round the corner, Bobby
Gillespie would kill for a bit of press like that.

Arab Strap:

There is a review of our second favourite band's new album in the NME. It
sounds suitably rude, and there's a nudie pic of that Aidan bloke on it, and
an ex-girlfriend. I wonder if it's one of the literally thousands of girls
who've written in to the list to tell us all about what it's like to snog
him in Falkirk? Hmmm. Here's the URL, give it a whirl:
http://www.nme.com/soundcellar/reviews/arab.html

Peter



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From t.hopkins at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 17 16:57:36 1998
From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins T)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:57:36 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Splatford to Lower Dean
Message-ID: <199804171547.QAA18109@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>

Adrian wrote...

> Tim Hopkins wrote :
> 
> >Um, what else? Travelled from Rugby to Lincoln at the weekend in search
> >of a football game which never was. Arse. 
> 
> Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Haw Haw Haw Haw Tee Hee Hee Hee Coo Hoo Hoo Hoo.
> 
> -- 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I have not got child-bearing hips.....alright ?
> Adrian Evans
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
Well, I had held my fire, but after this uncharitable little snurgle from Mr
Evans, I have been stung into a reply.

I caught my first sight of Adrian Evans at the Jim Shepherd show in Exeter a
few weeks back. (The show, by the way, was rather great and emotional for
me, partly because it was the welcome return of the most underrated voice of
his generation, and partly for other reasons which I really don't think you
all want to know about).
Anyway, on to Evans. Don't believe what he told you about his suit. He was
there, on a Sunday evening, with a grey pinstripe suit on, pens in his top
pocket and-yes- a clipboard.
He was going around collecting signatures on a 'keep education for the
wealthy' petition which he and Adrian Rogers (after whom Evans was named)
had dreamed up.
And he was wearing a 'Plymouth Argyle- the Greens are staying Up' badge. 

List, it was horrible.

And he *has* got childbearing hips. And they sing horrible songs about him
at Exeter City away fixtures.

Be warned:-)

rum te tum, all in fun...

tim


PS thanks andy dean for the NME piece. I was very taken by the following
image:

"     Back in the waiting room, Richard offers to appear in a few posed
shots In the main church. After some cajoling, Stevie agrees to loin him,
but only if he can play the banjo. "

The thought of Stevie agreeing to 'loin' Richard, but only of there is banjo
playing involved (which one gets to play?) pleases me greatly, for some
reason.
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From pedro-a-rodrigues at xxx.pt  Fri Apr 17 18:25:23 1998
From: pedro-a-rodrigues at xxx.pt (Pedro Rodrigues (Pedro A Rodrigues))
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:25:23 +0000
Subject: Sinister: THAT NME interview part iii -Reply
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From timminsc at xxx.ie  Fri Apr 17 18:29:57 1998
From: timminsc at xxx.ie (Claire Timmins)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:29:57 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Arab Strap
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980417182957.00798ea0@mail.tcd.ie>

 Hi all.

 THank god I have just got my email fixed. It has been off for two weeks.

 Anyway I am going to see Arab Strap tonight in Dublin. Is anyone going to
be there?
 I will be there on my own as I don't know anyone in Dublin who likes them.
So if anyone is going, I will be the girl with red hair pinned back in
tufts with the pink trousers on with no friends. If you see me do say hello.

 Thank you.

 Love Claire.

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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Fri Apr 17 19:40:06 1998
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:40:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: why i want to be a cheerleader
Message-ID: <v01510103b15ce2b2ccf8@[128.122.209.35]>

oh, some may think it's for the sparkly pompoms or the terry underwear.
but no, i have far more important goals in mind.  i want to give pep, and i
want to share my pep with all.  everyone knows a football player can't go
without a blow job, and we don't expect any less of the b&s-ers.  so on
behalf of the squad, come on in boys (and girls), we're happy to oblige!
btw - did anyone ever see the sketch on the state about the cheerleader who
was a performance artist?  let's just say nobody was bothering her for
"favors."

so the chatters have discovered the joys of the find out which spice girl
you're most like questionnaire (
http://www.virginrecords.com/spice_girls/questionnaire/form.html)  this
quiz is revealing our true personalities to an unprecedented degree.  first
off, amanda swannie, laurel piffy and keith keithy got baby spice.  the
final, conclusive proof, that yes, keith is a poof.  lucas antexit
(whatever the hell that means) is like posh spice, so keep your credit card
away from him kiddos.  and both honeypaul and i got scary spice, grrrr!  so
don't be messin' with us, that's all i've gots to say.

ok, no other content, or anything approximating it.  except if you like
sitting for hours and not being productive, you'll looooooove the chatroom.
ok, adios.  (that's for jose there)

xox
megan

mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu

visit the magnetic fields web page at:
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From greggo at xxx.com  Fri Apr 17 21:17:23 1998
From: greggo at xxx.com (Gregg Ogorzelec)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:17:23 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Cornwall (No B&S)
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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 17 22:20:44 1998
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (The Tall Git)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:20:44 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: True Love, Sampras Thirty
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980417220144.5329A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

To attone for my previous completely non-B&S post, here's one that is.
B&S-related, that is, not non-B&S. But you probably guessed that. Oh well.

I would just like to say that I think "Wrong Love" is one of the best
things they've done. A simply beautiful tune, both melody and harmony. I
know other songs have been written in the same vain, but I can't think of
any that have been done better. It's the best song I've heard since "Sleep
The Clock Around" (and "Sleep The Clock Around" is the best thing I've
heard since, well, since last time I listened to it probably; and if it
isn't a top ten single by the end of the year there is no justice in the 
world). It's the kind of song I reckon is perfect to fall in love to
(admittedly I don't actually have anyone to fall in love with at the
moment, but if I do ever find my very own cute-record-store-girl I'm sure
I would want to fall in love with her to it).

Having said that, I was disappointed to discover after a few listens to it
that the first line wasn't in fact
"I went looking for McDonald's
 I went looking for a sign".

Two questions though:
If Stevie wrote it specially for the session, does that mean it will
probably never be released? Because that would be an awful waste of a good
song.
Also, Steve Lamacq was going on about how they'd managed to fit 7 members
of B&S in the tour bus to record it; so who wasn't there?


Stuart G

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From barzy at xxx.com  Fri Apr 17 23:29:22 1998
From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:29:22 -0800
Subject: Sinister: THAT NME interview part iii -Reply
Message-ID: <v01540b17b15d87c8c2a5@[207.48.25.57]>

>Hi all,
>
>I think we should all be thankful to Andrew for posting the interview. It was a
>curious interview, probably because there wasn't much of an interview
>actually.

Oh heck.....I do suppose he's right.....OK.....Thanks Andrew....How can I
EVER repay you??


beth














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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 17 22:29:21 1998
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (The Tall Git)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:29:21 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Oh no, not him back again...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980417222656.5329C-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

OK, this didn't seem to get through last time I sent it for some reason,
so I'll try again. So sorry if you just got a post apologising for the
non-B&S content of a post you hadn't got yet...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:27:55 +0100 (BST)
From: The Tall Git <skg21 at xxx.uk>
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Subject: Oh no, not him back again...

Hello peeps!

Just back from the Easter break, so a few threads to reply to (actually
that's not true, I got back on Tuesday, but it's taken me until now to get
through the 600 postings while I've been away. Someone remind me to
unsubscribe next time...)


I don't think there are any songs that make me cry, however sad they are.
Maybe I'm just hardhearted. The only things that bring tears to my eyes
are happy things; a really good joke, or someone receiveing some really
good news, or somthing like that. I'm sure when England score the winning
goal in the World Cup Final I'll be crying my eyes out... I find sad songs
don't make me miserable, they comfort me (at least the ones which have any
effect on me at all do). Exit Music by Radiohead is a prime example. As
for the happiest song I know, the one that makes me grin inanely has to be
"Looks, Looks, Looks" by Sparks; even though the lyrics are slightly
trajic, the music is just so cheerful I can't help smiling.

Duke, is it your birthday today? If so, have a good one! (not that I don't
want you to have a good one anyway, of course, but you know what I 
mean...)

Sarah, can I join in with your cheerleading squad? I need something to
distract me from my finals. I'll need extra-large pompoms though...

Oh yeah, I had another Sinister listee dream about a week ago. But I'm not
saying who, because it would push my sleaze score up ;-}

I was going to send you all an ink polaroid at this point of what I did
over Easter, but my film ran out.

Is the London picnic going ahead in a fortnight? I'll bring a frisbee and
lots of chocolate. I could probably bring a volleyball net & ball as
well if you want... Wish I could get to the Glasgow one, but I'll be in
the Netherlands with a coachload of student korfballers for the weekend,
and probably too drunk to care!

Oh yeah, and has anyone heard the new Superstar album? Is it any good?


Stuart G


(Northy, RIP. ~)

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From suzsch at xxx.net  Fri Apr 17 23:10:26 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:10:26 -0500
Subject: Sinister: sinister: na na na na na na BATMAN!!!!!!
Message-ID: <199804172209.RAA15884@smtp1.mailsrvcs.net>

Alan Prior quoth:
>"Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb!" - Batman

heh heh heh.  God I loved that scene.  I liked it when they wore Batskivies
when it was cold.  I liked to watch batman do his sexy dance.  I loved it
when Burt Ward reminded me of Dan Quayle (to look at).  I could imagine
Qualye donning the cape and running around cabinet meetings yelling "Holey
underwear, Batman, we've got to stop those pesky Iraqis!" and  turning into
his daily disguise as National Guard Putz and crying in the corner.  That
was his genius.  Hussein would never suspect that it was Quayle all along. 


Also,  I sat for hours with my friends trying to find blatant sexual
innnuendos in everything they said.

Viva Adam West!

s.s.

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From blink at xxx.net  Fri Apr 17 23:29:20 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:29:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: getting drunk in the sun
Message-ID: <199804172229.SAA06374@Vector.inexpress.net>

Hello sweeties...
Yess yes yes type that Arab Strap interview up! I finally got to listen to
them a couple days ago..I couldn't stop doing lobster dance and going 'eets
offeeecialy summmah!' But they aren't that naughty are they? I mean 'corn
was funny,i hope you were joking' ???
that VOICE!! Rrrrrrrrrrowwwww (spesh that 'honest with ye' bit)
How come everyone but me is either out kissing/drinking/going to see them?
I want to go out drinking with Arab Strap.
 But I can tell the difference in dreams when I listen to them compare to
B&S..whenever I listen to B&S Stuart Murdoch always appear and spiritual
guide in a lumberjack shirt,where with Arab Strap I dream as a joke I'd
sneak up on my friend in the dark and surprise her and instead of her
thinking it was funny,she snapped her fingers and 2 guys in scary masks
appear and tied my legs together and my arms together and tied me to a
tree..oh it sounds dumb now but at the time it was VERY scary I was like 'No
no not the highest branch,it'll break off and I'll fall!'

oh you talk about B&S moments,I had one today1...well I was actually reading
a book,on the bus and errrrrh...I had to sit with '1+1= Truckpull'
boy...Hello just because the word 'naked' is in it doesn't mean I have to
hear your pervy hick jokes..(and it's not even 'moo moo buckeroo' it's
MOO,just plain MOO)
And why do they have to grab your leg in order to speak with you? shudder
shudder shudder...

now i have a new thing to do in an english a 'ship wrecked theme' my
'brainstorming' was
"i am alone
on an island
i look to my right 
i see
brett anderson
and i am content
palm trees blowing in the wind
please pass the coconuts Stuart
thankyou"

my teacher asked me about the names then he told me i couldn't have any men with
me..damn him!!! I was looking forward to this,yes Neil Codling would build
me a throne and Brett would wave the palm tree branches so i would not get
too hot while I make Stuart David distill the water,and can he object? NO!
or else i'll send my henchmen after him,and record store boy can polish my
nails.And there is many many more,i don't understand what is wrong about
this,but he says i have show survival..but that is...in a way,a very
creative way for me to survive on an island.
one day of sun and the grass has gone from yellowy to a brilliante green!lovely!

smooch,
Genevieve

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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 17 21:27:55 1998
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (The Tall Git)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:27:55 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Oh no, not him back again...
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Hello peeps!

Just back from the Easter break, so a few threads to reply to (actually
that's not true, I got back on Tuesday, but it's taken me until now to get
through the 600 postings while I've been away. Someone remind me to
unsubscribe next time...)


I don't think there are any songs that make me cry, however sad they are.
Maybe I'm just hardhearted. The only things that bring tears to my eyes
are happy things; a really good joke, or someone receiveing some really
good news, or somthing like that. I'm sure when England score the winning
goal in the World Cup Final I'll be crying my eyes out... I find sad songs
don't make me miserable, they comfort me (at least the ones which have any
effect on me at all do). Exit Music by Radiohead is a prime example. As
for the happiest song I know, the one that makes me grin inanely has to be
"Looks, Looks, Looks" by Sparks; even though the lyrics are slightly
trajic, the music is just so cheerful I can't help smiling.

Duke, is it your birthday today? If so, have a good one! (not that I don't
want you to have a good one anyway, of course, but you know what I 
mean...)

Sarah, can I join in with your cheerleading squad? I need something to
distract me from my finals. I'll need extra-large pompoms though...

Oh yeah, I had another Sinister listee dream about a week ago. But I'm not
saying who, because it would push my sleaze score up ;-}

I was going to send you all an ink polaroid at this point of what I did
over Easter, but my film ran out.

Is the London picnic going ahead in a fortnight? I'll bring a frisbee and
lots of chocolate. I could probably bring a volleyball net & ball as
well if you want... Wish I could get to the Glasgow one, but I'll be in
the Netherlands with a coachload of student korfballers for the weekend,
and probably too drunk to care!

Oh yeah, and has anyone heard the new Superstar album? Is it any good?


Stuart G


(Northy, RIP. ~)

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From pberry at xxx.com  Fri Apr 17 22:13:57 1998
From: pberry at xxx.com (Pam Berry)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:13:57 -0400
Subject: Sinister: living room party saturday
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980417171352.00c79c14@washcp.com>

hi all,
no, I don't mean alistair's living room (I wish!), speaking of which let's
have some more details about the jasmine minksesque goings on, shall we?
like for instance, was it jasmine minksesque at all? spill the beans,
somebody.

the paper where I work is hosting the alternative newsweeklies convention
this year, all the city papers in the u.s. are coming to our town for a
hellish four days in june, and I've just ordered three life-size cardboard
stand-ups of the prez, hillary, and newt gingrich for this polaroid thing
we're doing like all the tourists do in front of the white house, except it
won't be in front of the white house and we'll be partaking of an open bar
at the time. do we have fun in dc or what? don't answer that. I've got a
catalog here in front of me, you should see all the people you can order in
the beauty of 2-D cardboard. sorry, #95 sarah martin and #291 stuart
murdoch are out of stock. I tried, I really did try to make this convention
b&s-related.

so we're having a party in mt. pleasant tomorrow night and those in the
dc/maryland/virginia area who didn't get my private message about it (I
know I don't have all of your addresses) please do stop by! there will be
plenty of booze and snacks and your fellow listee dina's band is playing in
the living room along with four other great pop bands that hardly ever play
out! it's all quite exciting. e-mail me at home for directions and info.

have a good weekend, everyone!
pam
plb at tiac.net

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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 17 23:57:19 1998
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (The Tall Git)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:57:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Oops!
In-Reply-To: <199804172229.SAA06374@Vector.inexpress.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980417233850.5329D-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

OK, OK so my mail program is ****ing things up. Sorry about the double
message.

While I'm here:

On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 blink at inexpress.net wrote:

> I want to go out drinking with Arab Strap.

I'm not so sure that that's a good idea... By the twenty-eigth pint of the
evening, you might be a bit the worse for wear... Aidan's not exactly
renowned for his sobriety...

Then Genevieve went on to say:

> oh you talk about B&S moments,I had one today1...well I was actually reading
> a book,on the bus and errrrrh...I had to sit with '1+1= Truckpull'
> boy...Hello just because the word 'naked' is in it doesn't mean I have to
> hear your pervy hick jokes..(and it's not even 'moo moo buckeroo' it's
> MOO,just plain MOO)

Is it just me, or does this make absolutely no sense at all? 'moo moo
buckeroo' sounds like something Nursie out of Blackadder would say...
(only joking sweetiepie!)

Anyways, I've just been checking out the web sites (my, what an
interesting way to spend a Friday night...), and can I just say I simply
adore the dancing babies on the sinister site baby album. And there seem
to be some imposters on the photo album page... I thought Northy wasn't on
the list anymore ;-)

Any chance of "Wrong Love" being added to the voting booth?

Right that's it, I've been back a day and I've already run out of
interesting things to say (no sarcastic comments please!). I think I'll
disappear for a bit...

Stuart G

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From u01cjtc at xxx.uk  Sat Apr 18 00:18:53 1998
From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (The Boy With The X-Ray Eyes!)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 00:18:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: No subject
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Ahhhh!

Just finished typing up my very important, if you don't pass this we chuck
you out, essay, whos progress was somewhat hampered today by edinburgh
university library catching fire, no seriously it did ,  at about half 12
so I wandered of home listening to my tape of arab strap off the radio
last night, only to suffer at the hands, or rather tongue of my dog, who
likes to make things wet when you are trying to work.
The strange thing is i have been in 2 university libraries in my life and
both of them have been evacuated coz of fires.
Anyway, it really is lovely the way that all the edinburgh folk seem to be
posting now, it must be the weather.
Colin Campbell, from edinburgh, but studying medicine in aberdeen, 19
years old, likes to wear blue, pisces march 15. Prefers dark chocolate.
drinks lots of coffee doesn't get enough sleep, is frequently too drunk.
bye
oh yeh, a guy i went to school with's brother had the proclaimers on his
paper round.



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From parachute at xxx.net  Sat Apr 18 07:58:00 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (bradford)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:58:00 -0700
Subject: Sinister: here's johnny
Message-ID: <35384EF8.7300@earthlink.net>

hello.
my name is brad. i was introduced to the belle and sebastians from my
mom, who quite fancies krokus and says they sound just like them. for
fun, i give blow jobs to football players to give them a little "pep"
before the big game. i also have these recurring dreams of a naked and
jolly tag frolicking through the garbage dumpster behind the local jack
in the box eating, well, slurping, anything he finds and letting it run
down his stomach, across his navel, and drip down his well endowed
member. oh, and i have seventeen testicles.


it's been a while huh? that was for any new people who might have joined
in my absence.
actually i never left. i have been deleting upwards of 75 mails every
other day from you lot for about the past two and a half weeks. i've had
no free time you see. but now i'm back in the fold. actually i stuck
around only to see if anyone would speak poorly of me thinking that i
had fucked off and wouldn't hear it. 

so what's the latest on the new album or a new single? have i missed
anything other than sad songs, ink polaroids, and dreams? 

it's good to be home. i feel like crying a river.

-brad

oh, and go rent the movie "u-turn"
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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Sat Apr 18 03:40:56 1998
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:40:56 EDT
Subject: Sinister: what's your sign?
Message-ID: <d4156b4c.353812bb@aol.com>

I paused for the required amount of time before sending, I really did.
Honest.  Apologies to anyone offended, in advance.  I just couldn't resist
passing it on once it arrived.



       Horoscopes 
Aquarius (Jan 23-Feb 22)
You have an inventive mind and are inclined to be progressive. You lie a great
deal. You make the same mistakes repeatedly because you are stupid.  Everyone
thinks you are a fucking jerk.

Pisces (Feb 23- Mar 22)
You are a pioneer type and think most people are dickheads.  You are quick to
reprimand, impatient  and full of advice.  You do nothing but piss-off
everyone
you come in contact with.  You are a prick. 

Aries (Mar 23 - April 22)
You have a wild imagination and often think you are being followed by the FBI
or
CIA.  You have minor influence on your friends and people resent you for 
flaunting your power.  You lack confidence and are a general dipshit.

Taurus (April 23- May 22)
You are practical and persistent. You have a dogged determination and work
like
hell. Most people think you are stubborn and bullheaded. You are nothing but 
a goddamned communist.

Gemini (May 23- June 22)
You are a quick and intelligent thinker. People like you because you are
bisexual. You are inclined to expect too much for too little.  This means you
are a cheap bastard.  Geminis are notorious for thriving on incest.

Cancer (June 23- July 22)
You are sympathetic and understanding to other people's problems, which makes
you a sucker. You are always putting things off. That is why you will always
be
on welfare and won't be worth a shit. Everyone in prison is a Cancer.
   
Leo (July 23-Aug 22)
You consider yourself a born leader. Others think you are an idiot. Most Leos
are bullies. You are vain and cannot tolerate criticism. Your arrogance is
disgusting. Leo people are thieving motherfuckers and enjoy masturbation more
than sex.

Virgo (Aug 23 - Sept 22)
You are the logical type and hate disorder.  Your shit-picking attitude is
sickening to your friends and co-workers. You are cold and unemotional and
often
fall asleep while fucking. Virgos make good bus drivers and pimps. 

Libra (Sept 23- Oct 22)
You are the artistic type and have a difficult time dealing with reality. If
you
are a male you are probably queer. Chances for employment and monetary gain
are
nil. Most Libra women are whores. All Libras die of venereal disease. 

Scorpio (Oct 23 - Nov 22)
You are the worst of the lot.  You are shrewd in business and cannot be
trusted.
 You shall achieve the pinnacle of success because of your total lack of
ethics.
You are the perfect son-of-a-bitch. Most Scorpios are murdered. 

 Sagittarius (Nov 23- Dec 22)
 You are optimistic and enthusiastic.  You have a reckless tendency to rely on
your luck since you have no talent.  The majority of Sagittarians are drunks.
You are a worthless piece of shit.

Capricorn (Dec 23- Jan 22)
You are conservative and afraid of taking risks. You are basically
chickenshit. 
There has never been a Capricorn of any importance. You should kill yourself.
     
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From suchgranddesigns at xxx.com  Sat Apr 18 04:52:22 1998
From: suchgranddesigns at xxx.com (j i l l i a n)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:52:22 -0400
Subject: Sinister: reading judy blume, but you came too soon
References: <c=GB%a=_%p=Murray_Johnstone%l=CARDHU-980414113128Z-1120@cardhu.murrayj.com>
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hallo peeps,

for those of you that have wondered about that line, check out
http://www.gurl.com/magzine/where/features/apr96/blume/
for a short Q&A with judy blume herself.

not to clutter the list with children's television again but i'd just
like to quickly say that i was really glad to discover i wasn't the only
one obsessed with mathnet and square one.  anyone who remembers it (and
especially sarah, teri, and angela!) will no doubt want to see
http://www.saturn.holowww.com/wo05000.htm  for some scary obsession.

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:31:28 +0100 Chris Leonard <cleonard at MURRAYJ.COM>
writes:

>Ahh yes.  I'm becoming a little misty eyed now, don't you know.  It
>wasn't flash but it had soul I tell you.  I had an adventure game called
>"The House Of Brett" which I recently considered resurrecting.  You can
>see how far I got at http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~calnd/Brett/  .
>I warn you, I only managed one page then I got bored with it.

it was you!  i remember this!!  i loved the one where brett was
kidnapped.  in fact, i found it so funny i printed out one of the pages..
 

"you pick up a big rock and start to kill the creatures.  this was a wise
move, because the creatures were evil, and the food was poison.  when
there is only one left, you stop, because it looks somewhat familiar. 
you realise that it has been helping you destroy the others.  "why?"  you
ask it.  "because i am the singer from a popular british pop group", it
replies.  could this be brett, hideously transformed by evil magic?  "no"
say the creature.  "i am gaz from supergrass, and this is what i look
like."

and then there was another similar one called "cinderbretta" or something
where the ball was replaced by TOTP...  chris, this was genius!!!  bring
it back!  bring it back, i say!!  puhleese?

and now, an ink polaroid:

this one's of my brother and me in our joint bathroom - the kind with the
dual sinks and everything.  both sinks are plugged up with the sink on
the left containing scalding hot water and the one on the right filled
with cold (water that is).  the reason i am doubled over with that look
of pain on my face is because i'm laughing so hard that my stomach is
hurting - you know, like you do when you can't breathe or anything.  the
pink creature in jonathan's hands, half submerged in the hot water is
really tuxedo sam, the old skool sanrio penguin character.  he's one of
the toys left over from when i was wee and upon finding him buried in a
cardboard box under the stairs one day, i told jonathan about when i used
to take baths with tuxedo sam (along with hello kitty and my melody) -
the toys being of spongy character.  i wasn't a rude little girl, they
were meant for the bath and changed colour in both hot and cold water. 
anyway, with mum out of the house, jonathan was looking for excuses to do
anything but his homework and suggested that we try and see if it still
worked so that's what we're doing here.  the normally purple tuxedo sam
is now bright pink because, according to jonathan, he is being subjected
to major burns.  not to worry, animal lovers, the awaiting cold water
will solve that.  if this was an ink cartoon, you'd also see little music
notes coming from jonathan's mouth.  that would be because he's
doo-dooing the lil tune from stuart david's treehouse which i've just
taught him.

:)
jillian.  xx

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From Funkyseb at xxx.com  Sat Apr 18 13:15:38 1998
From: Funkyseb at xxx.com (Funkyseb)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:15:38 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Lurking in the shrubbery
Message-ID: <b3158e59.3538996b@aol.com>

On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Keith Watson wrote:

>     It has gone spookily quiet of late - the Americans in particular are
> being exceptionally quiet, new people as well, you'll have to start posting
> some stuff! Perhaps some introddddddddddddductions are in order.

     Right! I've been lurking for a while, but it's time to break cover. I'm
starting to feel like a grubby voyeur, and since no-one''s on the list at the
moment...

Introduction. 
Sebastian Brennan, 18, unemployed actor, professional daydreamer. Moving to
London in a few months.I used to have a dog called Belle, but we had to put
her down.(She went mad). 

That NME thingie said..
>their songs perfectly mirror
> the tribulations of a long-neglected section of the record-buying public.

No! The thing that suprised me about this list was that it's not full of sad
obsessive failiures.(Well, there's one or two of us..) And I know loads of
different people who are B&S fans, so I don't think there's a "type" of fan.
And their Gigs have such a variety of people, all ages, both sexes. So Ggrrr!
Don't pigeon hole us!

Still, we shall see at the picnics....if they're going ahead, that is.
Info?

Right, back to the bushes...
Seb.
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From a-bergman at xxx.edu  Sat Apr 18 16:50:48 1998
From: a-bergman at xxx.edu (Amanda Bergman)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:50:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sinister: midwest picnic (and a just-realized B&S dream)
Message-ID: <v03102801b15e372fadac@[209.100.70.104]>

Hello Dear List,

Anyone else in the lovely American middle west care to convene in Chicago
or the vicinity for a spring picnic? Perhaps sometime in May? Please email
me privately if you would even be remotely interested in such an event so
we can start to organize something...

I HAD A B&S DREAM AGAIN. Weird, and I'm just remembering it as I sit down
to email the list. anyway, the gist of it was that I was working in some
kind of abused children's shelter and they were all watching TV and there
was some special on about this band who did all kinds of lovely
philanthropic things (for kids, mostly) and were garnering praise from all
over the place about their selfless acts of kindness. On the screen was
Stuart Murdoch, holding a little smiling kid in each arm, talking to the
camera about "the music of healing" or something. That's when I looked
behind me and realized that *they were filing the special right in the
shelter where I was working!* Before I could even scream out
"OhmygodStuartyou!R!U!L!E!" and go rushing over to say hello (never mind
that I would be interrupting some kind of live TV broadcast), I looked
towards the back corner where a new group of lights and cameras were being
set up...and in moments, it was Stevie Jackson sitting there with his
acoustic guitar singing "Wrong Love." I nearly died, as that song is one of
my favorites. So I headed over to the corner, singing along as I walked,
and when I got to where he was playing, sat down right near the cameras and
watched him sing. Then Stevie heard me singing, and smiled at me, and after
he was done with the song he turned to me and said "Hello, you bonny wee
lass, come away with me." And then I woke up, and noticed I had worn my
olive green argyle socks to bed...

ok, just kidding about the sock part (Dr. Minka reference there).

I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Chicago spring has
certainly sprung. Skies are blue, winds are breezy and cool, and the sun is
warm on your shoulders. Weather that would be the perfect accompaniment to,
say, the release of some new B&S stuff. Katrina and/or David, is there any
breaking news about release dates? I'm sure the list is poised and ready
to, at the very least, undertake a new round of "Sonic Confusion" and share
our lyric mishearings.

Well, I'm off to do something productive like finish the tapes she promised
people a month ago (sorry! anyone who was expecting a tape and thinks I
have been totally delinquent, which I have, please email me if you have any
concerns/questions about the tape stuff.)

bye bye,
Swannie

------------------
Amanda Bergman
Northwestern University
a-bergman at nwu.edu

"I am the sunshine."
--the Push Kings


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From yazansam at xxx.uk  Sat Apr 18 17:21:47 1998
From: yazansam at xxx.uk (Yaz)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:21:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: strange conversations...and a message for Stuart M.
Message-ID: <01bd6ae6$2adeaaa0$093370c2@mr-arefin>

The boy brad said:

>hello.
my name is brad. i was introduced to the belle and sebastians from my
mom, who quite fancies krokus and says they sound just like them. for
fun, i give blow jobs to football players to give them a little "pep"
before the big game. i also have these recurring dreams of a naked and
jolly tag frolicking through the garbage dumpster behind the local jack
in the box eating, well, slurping, anything he finds and letting it run
down his stomach, across his navel, and drip down his well endowed
>member. oh, and i have seventeen testicles.



I like this man. He makes me laugh.  Welcome back mate.



BTW David (or maybe HoneyBunney, i'm not sure),  do we still get to know
about later picnics this summer on the other  news list, then?


Also, Stuart Murdoch, i have a bone to pick with you.

i have recently been having some VERY strange conversations with a friend of
mine, who after listening to "If You're Feeling......." forty times a day
has decided that she would very much like to "liberate a boy she's never
rated".

This is true.
and disturbing, considering that before she started listening to Belle and
Sebastian, she used to be a lovely, sweet girl who liked watching sunsets
and Disney films.

It is also all your fault.

So, what have you got to say for yourself young man?




from a slightly worried Yaz





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From sarah at xxx.uk  Sat Apr 18 09:01:44 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:01:44 +0100
Subject: Sinister: erp, NO!
Message-ID: <rHPPeBAo3FO1EwpU@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

hello you people!

a babylon zoo guy (why?) wrote.....

<<one of the roles the cheerleading squad would undertake, to give the
boys a"pep" was to give them blow jobs when required. I was just
wondering that as you are the sinisterines, would you give us lot blow
jobs or save them for the band?>>

NO! i did not mean this! all i wanted was for a niiice little
cheerleading group, to sing about the joys of spring and such like, but
NO! you HAVE to be PERVERSE! and its ....for gods sake, you are belle
and sebastian fans! you have to be winsome and charming and sweet, not
obsessed with SEXUAL FAVOURS! there is more to life you know.....(so
they tell me)

and the answer is, we save it for the band. ha. ner ner.

Hello, I'm Ali and I'm at Sarah's house.  Notice difference in writing
style, i.e. punctuation etc.  Takes me ages though because I'm computer
illiterate.  I tried to get on the chat thing 'cos I just got email at
home, but it didn't work.  I live in Warrington, which is shit.  Adios.  

heehee! that was ALI!!!!!! she is staying at my house and she is a
cheerleader too! yey! and....we have to go now....so.....
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
calvin -"is it possible to refuse to inherit the world?"
hobbes -"i think if you're born its too late."
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From greenturtle1 at xxx.com  Sat Apr 18 20:29:17 1998
From: greenturtle1 at xxx.com (mark b)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:29:17 -0700
Subject: Sinister: manchester shows...
Message-ID: <19980418.122922.8430.0.greenturtle1@juno.com>

hey all ... just wondering if anyone on the list has copies of the
manchester shows (or any other booted shows for that matter) they might
be willing to trade ... i have some b&s stuff myself if you're interested
in trading, or just being my friend for life. yah.

ooh!  i got my new SPIN and not only was B&S ranked 31 in the list of the
40 most vital artists of 1997, it says that B&S are planning to have a
new album on matador this summer.  a pretty good article, if anyone wants
to read it and doesn't have access to SPIN i can transcribe it and send
it to ya if you ask me.


mark

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From blink at xxx.net  Sun Apr 19 01:53:13 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:53:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: spin spin spin
Message-ID: <199804190053.UAA04475@Vector.inexpress.net>

Hi all!
I had read that B&S were going to be in Spin's top 40...and goodness it's true!
I don't like Spin and various other magazines and usually whenever I see a
band I like in them I always get a little angry cos..well various reasons
that i won't get into..
BUT when I saw the little B&S...I felt actually happy..i think Stuart
Murdoch looks beautiful in that picture,the teeny little smile..awww...i
felt such an overwheming love for him and his voice when I saw that picture!!
Anyways..I didn't really care about what they wrote but here it is anyways:

Belle and Sebastian are indie rock's most notorious shrinking violets.They
refuse to be photographed,shun reporters,and rarely perform in public.Even
becoming a band at all was something of an accident for the Scottish
collective.Each year,Alan Rankine,a onetime member of 80's popsters the
Associates,shows his music buisness class at Glasgow's Stowe College how to
produce and market a record.In 1996,the class picked a demo tape by shy
singer/guitarist Stuart Murdoch,impressed both by his meticulously
arranged,slyly funny pop tunes,and his ethereal,Nick Drake-like voice. "The
strength of the songs just pissed on everything from a great height!" raves
Rankine.A surprised Murdoch cobbled some musician friends together and
recorded the acclaimed Tigermilk EP."We thought it was okay," says drummer
Richard Colburn."Then record companies and fans started calling and we
thought,My God,what have we done?" They signed with The Enclave label,which
folded soon after the release of the excellent If You're Feeling Sinister.A
new record will be released by Matador this summer,but the band is still
devising ways to confound the public. "I'm going to suggest something daft
like touring the world's Holiday Inns," says Rankine,still a band
confidante. "That ought to keep them occupied."

(radiohead pictures everywhere in this thing! Today,in a very trendy
'ohmigod' shoe store they were playing Paranoid Android.I wonder how Thom
woulda felt about that...because he's always going on about how he turns on
the tv and sees ads for toasters and feels disgust...)
 *sniff* My street poet friend didn't recognize me today..just cos i wasn't
wearing my miniskirt...so i got no true love poems today.But he met the
director of that famous opera which is performing at the nac now...limos
everywhere..so i was happy for him...i would like to be able to play B&S
songs very well on my guitar..i think it would be so nice to sit under the
bridge and be a belle n sebby busker...

kisses,
Genevieve

saw Nightwatch...that Nick Nolte is a creepy man!!!! And
Ewan...sounded..American! I didn't think he could do it...i much prefer
Scottish accent..mmm...redheads...

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From: greggo at xxx.com (Gregg Ogorzelec)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:29:19 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Cornwall
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From: Runegg at xxx.com (Runegg)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:47:53 EDT
Subject: Sinister: radiohead
Message-ID: <5eea6360.35399e1a@aol.com>

hi.

i know there is some ambivalence about radiohead in this list, but i saw them
tonight at Radio City Music Hall in new york and they were great.
unfortunately afterwards i stopped by the Cherry Tavern, downstairs from my
apartment, and saw all the really cool people from the neighborhood who make
me want to scream.  oh, those cool people.  they are models and such, christ
what a nightmare.  tomorrow i'm seeing blonde redhead (any fans out
there?)---this is a band-ful weekend.  hardly any time to hang out with the
falling blossoms in central park.

--ari
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From blink at xxx.net  Sun Apr 19 02:39:25 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:39:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: odd dreams
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>Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:25:10 -0400 (EDT)
>From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**)
>Subject: Sinister: further interpretations of sinister dreams - a dissertation
>
>*sigh*
>
>despite my apparently hugely scientific and wildly popular original dream
>interpretations, i got a B- on my psych test.  it should have been an
>A++++++,


 no no,Doctor Minka..you should've gotten an A+++++++....everything you said
was basically true!!..And some things i didn't realzie that were true but
were...


>At 10:55 PM 4/4/98, blink at inexpress.net wrote:
>>Oh I had a list member dream... (just their name cos I don't know what he
>>looks like) anyways,this one friend of mine,she was telling me about this
>>wild and wonderful one night stand she had in London "oh yeah we went out
>>and got everthign pierced and then spent the night together" me:"oh who was
>>this?" her:"his name was tag"
>>weird baby,i say weird....
>
>as if the last dream wasn't enough....  all i can say is, um, well, there
>really isn't anything to be said to this one.

This one I really don't understand myself unless I am supposed to be a
matchmaker....I've never dreamed about my friend Tara before.So Tag,do you
like gothic red-heads who love Tori Amos and Ani DiFranco and wear fishnets
and have their tongue pierced?

Dr.Minka...I've had a great many dreams that i can still remember..did
anyone else here dream of jim carrey or am i just weird? i used to have
consecutive ones...one time,elisabeth arden (that makeup company) was
throwing this rich fancy party and jim carrey was there,and so was i and
suddenly i started running and i ran into a house in the suburbs and i just
sat down and told this boy 'i've met jim carrey'..and all of a sudden i'm
like 'woah..gotta use a phone' so i went upstairs and there was jim waiting
for me! I'm like 'what are you doing here?' 'waiting for you' the next one i
was in this little american suburban town talking to this neighbour girl and
jim just walks up and i run away from the girl and cry out 'JIM!!' he gave
me flowers and a bracelt made out of  rope and wood and we started singing
the theme of 'in living colour' together and hugging....I don't
understand..but that was awhile ago..but i still remember them...i don't
liek jim or thinks he funny...why?!?
and this other one! it was such a nightmare at the time,i was going out with
this very surfer boy and he threw me into one of those bins at department
stores (that always have lots of socks and underwear on sale in them?) and
made me kiss him...it was like being underwater..except...being under
packages of socks...and then he told me he could do this trick on pppl and
make them hypnotized and i believed it worked then he told me to follow him
and we were at this big display..a pyramid of bottles and bottles of
foundation (that beigey makeup?) and he's like 'Find my shade bitch!!!' and
I was trying so hard to please him but i picked the wrong shade and he
became very angry and i helplessly tried to do that hypno trick on him,(to
calm him)but of course since it was a sham it wouldn't work.And then he made
me try on mickey mouse boxers,it sounds ridiculous now of course.
I order Arab Strap album and it's like 36 dollars...grrrr....
 ok i'll go
 xoxxo Genevieve

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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Sun Apr 19 13:18:13 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 08:18:13 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Kerblam!
Message-ID: <199804190818_MC2-3A5A-8F05@compuserve.com>

Message text written by "Suzanne Schroeder"
>Also,  I sat for hours with my friends trying to find blatant sexual
innnuendos in everything they said.<

"Holey bikini, Batman!" hehehe. thats all i have to say about that...

Roddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddderick wrote;
>I was just pissed off because they showed that All Saints video (which is
>spectacularly dull, and will be *EVERYWHERE* for the next month or so)

no, you're just pissed off cos they slagged off the Spice Grrrls lots. neh
neh. <sigh> how i love bernard butler...

>> Bah. And that singer from the dandy warhols has *the* sexiest eyebrows
in
>> rock. fact.

>If it wasn't for those bloody exams, I'd be going over to Glesga to see
>them on Tuesday
>(And am I unique in having absolutely no desire in seeing Zippy
(or whatever her name is)'s boobies?)

not fair, why do all the classy bands have to go and play in glasgow? bah.
I, on the other hand, *do* want to see Zorro(what is her name, anyway?)'s
tits. but thats not my reason for wanting to go.... and the eyebrows have
it every time, anyway...

short story for english folio has turned sordid. can't fix it. help!!!

'till tomorrow, spacebots; same BATtime, same BATplace...

debbie xxx.
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From honey at xxx.net  Sun Apr 19 15:29:19 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:29:19 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: Sinister: If Stuart Murdoch sang Serge Gainsbourg singing Stuart Murdoch
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.96.980419152252.-855287A-100000@unknown>


Dear Readers,

I've been away from the list so long I've be wondering how to make my
re-entrance - would it be some thought-provoking dissertation on the 
nature of P!O!P!, would it be an ink polaroid of me making a ham 
sandwich, or maybe a poem about a fox that lost his library ticket?
No, I've found something much more stimulating and much more childish,
and I hope it will answer several questions that have been vexing this
list for the last nine months: what are Stuart's lyrics *really* about,
and what is Peter Miller on about?

Peter as we all know is a translator.  He spends his days chewing a 
pencil over the correct Spanish for "over-sprung type B dishwasher
flange connector".  I think I've found the connection between this an
his posts to the list - he writes a perfectly normal mail, translates
it into Spanish and then back into English again and then sends it.
I've noticed quite a few of you doing this, you little devils.

So I've done the same with my WWW page, via French, ably helped by the
Altavista translator at:
http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate?  
The results can be seen at:

	http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/freeng.shtml

which has me childishly giggling, particularly at the translation of
"David Kitchen's fan club site" (think: "kitchen" -> "cuisine" -> ...).

So that's Peter in the bag.  Now we turn to Stuart.  I think an example
will demonstrate the technique, this time English to French to German
and back:

"I was surprised, I was lucky during a daily 1975. I was remained 
 embarass by a dream, with me that whole day 1995. My brother had 
 that he was merry, it took heat additionally to the Ego during one 
 moment certified. It rose with a friend of the sailor, fact it admits 
 over my day of the connection of the sisters.

 I connected in precipitations, around a wegzutreibenes kid, now it 
 support am in the love. Therefore I was shifted, I, around an impact 
 the Krueckeen of mine estropifreunds to give touched. It was not 
 impressed that I cured it on Sabbath, thus I went to permit. When it 
 saw the merry page, we presented my bride of the child to the Whisky 
 and to the shrubshrub shrubs."

See - it all becomes clear.  It's all about gardening.  (I particularly
liked "gin" -> "juniper" -> "shrub" - I don't know where the extra
"shrubshrub" comes from but there is a God).

Here's my last one for now, just to demonstrate it's not a flash in
the pan.  This one's via French, German then Spanish - you have to 
give it a little punctuation to get it going:

"Anthony has gone to relative the dead women, because she has thought 
 that she never did not feel the odore however in this way. If then it 
 goes still to the house, the things have been transformate in in 
 false the false one, that they could he that forms in order to go? It 
 would want to ricordarsi exactly of the things like it on left part 
 of it this Wednesday. And if it gives here from the other thing, not
 frightened, because it is dependent, than today for being little 
 along, it must dependent be less long that tomorrow. 

 Hilary has gone to relative the dead women, because she could not 
 think next to nothing to say. All he has thought the fact that 
 lengthily then he did not feel it never in some case. Nobody has 
 said really all of interest, it has fallen in the sleep. It was in 
 S&M and the studies of the Bible, all a tea of the cup, than me it 
 would concur with, the relative tea of the cup, will it with all, 
 the relative tea of the cup, it would concur with me, the OH would 
 not concur, but, the relative tea of the cup would concur"

Damn it, I *knew* it was all nasty Aunties.

Honey who is, apparently, back, loves you all dearly, but wishes to
reconsider his cheerleaders application - it depends on how nice you
all are
xxx

--
"Ecoutent, ceci est pish, je vais laisser"
"Horen dieses ist pish, ich werden gehen"
"Ascolta, questo e pish, io sto andando lasciare"
"Escucha, esto es pish, yo va a dejar"

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From blink at xxx.net  Sun Apr 19 17:18:20 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:18:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: no one can stop me and my tractor
Message-ID: <199804191618.MAA26048@Vector.inexpress.net>

>Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:57:19 +0100 (BST)
>From: The Tall Git <skg21 at xxx.uk>
>Subject: Sinister: Oops!

>I'm not so sure that that's a good idea... By the twenty-eigth pint of the
>evening, you might be a bit the worse for wear... Aidan's not exactly
>renowned for his sobriety...
 oh...they could take me to all those pubs and everything,it would be so
fun.Everyone else always seems to be out drinking with them,i want to too!It
will be all arty,suddenly Aidan will pause and go 'i don't think i'll need a
jacket' for no reason at all! i just want to sit and listen to him speak,
fun fun!

>Is it just me, or does this make absolutely no sense at all? 'moo moo
>buckeroo' sounds like something Nursie out of Blackadder would say...
>(only joking sweetiepie!)
 oh no it does make sense...here i'll explain...1+1=Truckpull Boy was
telling me all these terrible jokes..and at one point he goes 'Moo moo
buckerooo! har har harharhar!' (he went into a fit of laughter) and i look
up and i'm like 'it's just moo,dummy' and he's like 'Nooooooo,moo moo
buckeroo!Truckpulls...tractors!!' i am just a little scared of him as he
gets unnaturally excited over tractors....'mmm..Farmers Delight 2000!' etc
etc...i only want a tractor to make a getaway with,that's all...speeding
down the highway at a whopping 3 miles per hour! With Aidan! (with that
'bonanza' (??) music playing in background!)
 Blackadder?!? Nursie? i am not understanding...

>Sebastian Brennan, 18, unemployed actor, professional daydreamer.
oh,you know...you should put this on buisness cards and give them to people!

smooooooch,
Genevieve 


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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Sun Apr 19 18:40:53 1998
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:40:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: new york picnic
Message-ID: <v01510108b15eb4b982e0@[128.122.209.211]>

what a blah title, i know.  but i figured it would lure in the proper
people (aka, those who live in new york).  so anyway, i'm leaving in a
month.  pam berry is having her picnic on the 9th of may (it's still on i
assume) and we don't want to conflict with her, cause that would lead to a
brawl and everything and that's just not in the b&s spirit.  (i make a
motion that we give up the idea of a "christmas" spirit and go in for the
non-denominational b&s spirit.  but i digress, again.)  so how about we
picnic next sunday, about 2pm, in a park.  washington square is closest to
me, but it's hard to find a patch of grass there, and it's always so
crowded.  so central park is a good idea, but we'd need a place to meet
that would be fairly distinctive.  i want some input on this.  also, if we
have an idea of how many people are coming, we can communalize food.  so
write to me, or the list, whichever.

finally, i'm listening to this is hardcore again, and this is still a
brilliant album.  i don't care what anyone else says, it's beautiful and
wonderful and we should all bow in praise of jarvis C!O!C!K!er  (as keith
so delicately put it).

xox
megan

mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu

visit the magnetic fields web page at:
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From vlass at xxx.com  Sun Apr 19 18:51:03 1998
From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:51:03 -0400
Subject: Sinister: reading judy blume, but you came too soon
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980419175103.00673384@mail.interlog.com>

good afternoon,

jillian (thanks for the square1 tv site! :) ) wrote:

<<for those of you that have wondered about that line, check out
http://www.gurl.com/magzine/where/features/apr96/blume/
for a short Q&A with judy blume herself.>>

i use judyblume as my nick on irc, and i am known to still read judy blume
books (it was -deenie- 2 weeks ago),but nevertheless, i have some resentment
towards her... 

when i was younger, maybe in grade 4 or so, i wrote mrs. blume a letter
expressing how much her stories meant to me.. and, as an aspiring author i
sent her a story i wrote (the original copy too! how dumb of me..) asking
for advice about the "writing" world. anyway, a few months later i got an
envelope in the mail.. inside was a dissapointing glossy FORM LETTER with
her signature at the bottom.. she didn't answer any of my questions,
although she did scrawl "thanks for the story" after her autograph. i knew
she was a very busy woman, and someone told me that i should at least be
grateful for the scrawl, but still.. i was dissapointed. ann m martin,
author of the baby sitter club books, was much more considerate when she
wrote back to me :P

belle and sebastian dreams, you ask?
the other night i had a dream that i was in a shopping mall. i sat down at a
bench and stuart murdoch himself was sitting beside me.. that's all i
remember.. sorry - i don't give you much to work with dr.minka!

this has been a very music-y dream week:
apart from that b&s one, i had a dream that i won a vinyl copy of
stereolab's -emperor tomato ketchup- because i was the victor of one of
those name-that-tune contests that took place in big, cement warehouse.
then, i had a dream that i was with some of my friends at some sort of party
or convention or something, and this boy was giving away free magnetic
fields cds and eps. no one knew who they were, so i got them all... yay.

now i must go back to writing my greek essay.. sigh..

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From PKHINTZ at xxx.com  Sun Apr 19 18:57:30 1998
From: PKHINTZ at xxx.com (PKHINTZ)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:57:30 EDT
Subject: Sinister: a castle is not a home
Message-ID: <9cf11ce4.353a3b0e@aol.com>

	During the week a package arrived for me from the United Kingdom.  In the
upper right hand corner was a stamp with a picture of Edinburgh Castle.  My
mother assumed that meant the package was from Scotland, but it was from
somewhere south and west and by the sea.  Mothers can be wrong, though they
admit that infrequently.  I have my own picture of the castle.  When I visited
Endinburgh in December I sat in the park below the castle.  I took out of my
bag my black blank book and my felt-tipped pen.  The drawing became more of
the castle wall and the hill, due to the size limitations of the page.  Think
of cross-hatched blacks lines loosely composed into the idea of a mass of
rocks and the idea of a streak of a wall cutting across that, and you nearly
have the drawing of mine.  Holiday shoppers walked past me as I sat on the
bench and drew; I noticed how they tried to look over my shoulder without my
noticing--but they did not do a good job at that feat.  My hands became numb
from the cold.  This morning I showed my father my drawing and the stamp; he
told me that it looked great.  I can never tell if he is lying or not.  Unlike
him, I do not take to the pushing of lines across a page; I push words around
the page instead.  
	Trapped on the train back to London from Edinburgh, I listened to my cassette
of _Tigermilk_.  From the window I saw mountains, the sea, and occasionally
history's relic of a castle or an abbey.  I wanted to know if being in
Scotland enhanced listening to Belle and Sebastian, but it does not.  Whatever
those songs are about is all the world over.  

					Living and loving
							Matthew  
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From vlass at xxx.com  Sun Apr 19 21:47:21 1998
From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:47:21 -0400
Subject: Sinister: let's just keep it our little secret, okay?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980419204721.0067792c@mail.interlog.com>

hmmm...

i love belle and sebastian with all my heart and i've been making as many
people as i can listen to them so that they see how beautiful they are, but
there are sometimes when i wish they were just *my* secret.. you all know
what i'm talking about, yes? when you love a band so much that sometimes it
sucks that other people like them because you don't think they can
-understand- how you feel, or you just think that they're not allowed to
like what you like because it's *yours*?.. i know, i know - i'm being
selfish and immature.. the more fans the better! i'm not talking about any
of you sinisters though!  but having just found out that someone i'm not
very fond of likes b&s, i'm kind of wishing they didn't know who they were.
although, i suppose it's a starting point to actually liking this person,
but boo! i don't care.. hehe.. i guess i should just grow up..

here's an ink polaroid:
self-indulgent me.. this is a picture of myself standing outside by a tree
in our yard. i don't know what kind of tree it is, but it's one of those
kind that is teeming with beautiful, delicate white blossoms for 2 weeks of
the year until they blow away and leave plain branches. anyway, it's at that
white blossom stage now and my mother insisted on snapping a photo of it
before they blew away but since she doesn't believe a picture is picture
unless a person is in it (aren't all adults like that?), i'm standing there
beside the tree. heh, it's kind of awkward because i'm feeling posed, and i
don't quite know how to stand, and i know, i know, i'm in my pyjamas even
though it's a sunday afternoon.. well, isnt that what sunday afternoons are
for - lazing around in your pyjamas? 

wow, my second post of the day. you're going to get sick of me soon, err, if
you're not already :)

aurevoir pour l'instant..
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From plaird at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 20 02:11:58 1998
From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 01:11:58 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Here's Lairdy
Message-ID: <199804200110.CAA30718@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk>

Brad said:
>it's been a while huh? that was for any new people who might have joined
>in my absence.
>actually i never left. i have been deleting upwards of 75 mails every
>other day from you lot for about the past two and a half weeks. i've had
>no free time you see. but now i'm back in the fold.

I too have been absent for about a month, but I've had loads of free time
- I just couldn't be arsed posting anything to be honest. Could have been
something to do with that unfriendly episode a while back where Katrina
had to wade in and apply her ruler to a few naughty knuckles.

>so what's the latest on the new album or a new single?

Virgin have a date on their 'forthcoming singles' board again - but since
we haven't heard a peep from Katrina I'll assume their date is bollocks.

The Tall git (also back from an absence) said:
>I don't think there are any songs that make me cry, however sad they are.
>Maybe I'm just hardhearted. The only things that bring tears to my eyes
>are happy things; a really good joke, or someone receiveing some really
>good news, or somthing like that.

This thread seems to be the longest lasting at the mo' so I'll add my
tuppeny-worth as well. I'll be hard and say sad songs don't make me cry
either, although 'Cut' by 14 Iced Bears used to do the job when I was
young and impressionable - it has a line that goes:
"I know you just don't care about the things we used to share a lot". 

- oh lost love (excuse me while I nip off for a hanky).

But I'm all grown up now and wise to the ways of wicked women :o).

>I'm sure when England score the winning
>goal in the World Cup Final I'll be crying my eyes out...

Hey, the Tall git is a comedian as well!

feeling a bit snoozy
I'M OFF TO BED NOW BYE!!!!!!

The Laird of East Fountainbridge.

 





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From parachute at xxx.net  Mon Apr 20 09:05:09 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (bradford)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:05:09 -0700
Subject: Sinister: P I V S
Message-ID: <353B01B5.36C8@earthlink.net>

i can't believe how many of you blatantly rip off the ink polaroid thing
and make your own ones up. you should be ashamed. you don't go around
snagging other people ideas for songs and writing your own, do you? so,
i am starting a new campaign.
you know sometimes when you hear a song, and it's so simple, maybe two
chords and a single note melody, but it's the best thing you ever heard.
it's the way they play with the silence, rather than with the sound.
think of the band low.
well, i , brad, am gonna rip off the ink polaroid thing as well, but i
like to leave something to the imagination...kinda like a victorias
secret catalog. i'd rather look at one of those things than some dirty
old filthy nasty vile porn. yuk.

simplicity is the key. this form of polaroid lets the reader use their
imagination.


penciled-in viewfinder slide #1

	i am brad. in my hand is a large turnip. what a cute kitten.


ta-da. see, now you're left picturing in your head what is actually
going on.
another:

penciled-in viewfinder slide # 2  (or as those in the know call
them...."P I V S" )

	tag. sir mix-a-lot. milk.


i hope i start a new trend. 
-brad

and i also have a new catchy catch phrase to append to the end of all my
posts.

"the sun ain't yellow.....it's chicken"
 		-bob dylan
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From smfisher at xxx.edu  Mon Apr 20 05:37:20 1998
From: smfisher at xxx.edu (Stephanie)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:37:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: let's just keep it our little secret, okay?
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980419204721.0067792c@mail.interlog.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980420001122.50146A-100000@archa11.cc.uga.edu>

Hello fellow sinister-people.

So I subscribed to the regular non-digest version of the list about
a month ago hoping it would inspire me to post more, or at least once
since this is my first post, but it didn't seem to. Other than maybe that
sad songs thread a while back. 
 
But lookey! I've finally found something I can respond to, or maybe I'm
just in one of my phases where I go around posting utter shite. 

On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 Teri wrote:

> i love belle and sebastian with all my heart and i've been making as many
> people as i can listen to them so that they see how beautiful they are, but
> there are sometimes when i wish they were just *my* secret.. you all know
> what i'm talking about, yes? when you love a band so much that sometimes it
> sucks that other people like them because you don't think they can
> -understand- how you feel, or you just think that they're not allowed to
> like what you like because it's *yours*?.. i know, i know - i'm being
> selfish and immature.. the more fans the better! i'm not talking about any
> of you sinisters though!  but having just found out that someone i'm not
> very fond of likes b&s, i'm kind of wishing they didn't know who they were.
> although, i suppose it's a starting point to actually liking this person,
> but boo! i don't care.. hehe.. i guess i should just grow up..

I am exactly like that! Not so much with Belle & Sebastain, since besides 
me I only personally know one other person who even knows about them at
all. And he's more or less ambivalent about them. But that does happen
with every band I like, or at least the ones I LOVE, I want them to be
successful and I have visions of me being at this nice-sized sold out
concert place and everyone there just loving and worshipping the band as
much as I do. It would be like some sort of commune I suppose. But then I
realise that would probably never be. And I think sometimes I want a band
to be MINE and *only* MINE, well, not literally, I mean, I think people on
this list and others are super-groovy-cool, I just mean that...I guess
like Teri wrote about how some people, I hate this term but I guess it
would be "casual fans" wouldn't understand what I feel like. Which I'm
sure it sounds like I'm being one of those snobby fans who doesn't want
"the kids" to ruin my favourite bands. Okay, I do think that, but the only
time things like that is when a band gets played hours on end on MTV, but
fortunately I choose bands that don't get played on MTV at all. At least
not here in America...but that's a different thread/rant/topic altogether!
And...ummm...I guess the entire point of this was just that I agree,
wasn't it great that I actually wrote other stuff also? Yeah.

Okay, now I'm off to lurking again unless I happen to become inspired to
respond to something else, because I can almost never think of threads on
my own, but oh, well. 


Cheers & love,
Stephanie 



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From kmcguire at xxx.com  Mon Apr 20 07:17:04 1998
From: kmcguire at xxx.com (McGuire)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:17:04 -0700
Subject: Sinister: three am, light strikes twice, pepsi adventure and cravings i dont understand
Message-ID: <000401bd6c24$28179ae0$1106d5cf@okcomputer.indierockfuckers.com>

Alright, this isn't so much of an ink polaroid as it is my attempt to make
sense of this moment in my life. There's no wounded picture, no bloody lines
that blur the distinction between good taste and poor idealism, just an
average guy sitting alone in his apartment smoking too many cigarettes and
thinking too many thoughts.

I remember being very young and dreaming of the things i wanted. To become.
To see. To feel. I constantly refer to my younger self as 'him.' Its hard to
remember your past in any logical way other than that of the third person. I
love him. I don't want to betray him. His wishes were my wishes. His dreams
were my dreams. I swore to myself, I always swore to myself, that no matter
what occured, I would follow his dreams, his fantasies, never mine.

He wanted to move out on his own to Los Angeles. I moved out on my own to
Los Angeles. He wanted to be a nice person. I am a nice person. He never
wanted to be a show off or concieted. I am as modest as humanly possible and
if I do something good the first thing i try to do is hide it.

He decided that it was his mission to save the world.  He decided he would
start a shelter for abandon kittens and puppies. He wanted to fall in love.
So i'm sitting here, I haven't a clue how to go about saving the world, I'm
affraid to adopt a kitten because I've killed all my plants, and I just got
off the phone with another guy who says that we can't be together for
[insert reason here]. So i'm sitting here, smoking a cigarette, feeling the
xanax kicking in, knowing, not just thinking, that I've betrayed him.

If I could go back ten years and talk with him, tell him what's to come, I
would tell him to stop dreaming. He thought dreams were what kept you alive.
I thought dreams were what kept you alive. Dreams don't keep you alive, they
just keep you occupied.

-Mr. Kelly Ryan McGuire, still trying to remember why he learned to speak

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From keith at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 20 09:48:58 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:48:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Picnics/Pam Berry/Portobello Beach
Message-ID: <01bd6c39$28b46a90$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

Hello Chums, first of all a bit about the picnics. We're all set for next
Saturday (1 o'clock outside Fopp in Byres Road). I've dragged a few of my
friends along too, so there should probably be around about 15 to 20 people
coming along. Incidentally, we'll be off buying some stuff to eat before
then, so I need to know how many of you only eat rabbit food so's that I
don't buy too many sausage rolls. Can you mail me please if you are
vegetarian. Sorry to all the people who couldn't make it but wanted to, we
will indeed have another one later on in the summer, probably in Edinburgh
this time inspired by... Myself and Paul and Linda's visit to Portobello
beach on Saturday where I was able to continue my strange obsession with the
sea and we were all able to indulge in a game of "Spot the power station".
We had a lovely meal in a little sort of greasy spoon cafe just off the
promenade, and drank tea for hours. Bear in mind anyone who comes up to
Edinburgh in the near future from the list and meets us is liable to be
whisked away to such a place, or indeed further afield, to like Elie or
someplace like that.

    Pam Berry : Talked to Andrew Tulley on Saturday night and I was telling
him about list stuff and all that and you and he says that should you write
to him at the shop, he'll get a load of stuff together and send it to you.
So here's the address of the shop if you're interested.

    Andrew Tulley,
    Avalanche Records,
    West Nicholson Street,
    Newington,
    Edinburgh.

(It's not the most accurate address I know, but it'll get there).


Nice to see Mr.Tall Git, Stuart Gardiner is back on after the easter break -
Which brings me on to another thing, I've knocked up a big document which is
essentially a concatenation of most of the B+S stuff available on the web.
It's in Word 97 format and it's available for download from Paul's website,
although Paul will have to remind people of where it is, since I don't think
there's a link there yet. If people are interested enough, I can convert the
file to Word 95, or indeed RTF which most programs will be able to read,
although the pictures will have to come out - simply because the file
increases in size to about 10 megs if it's not in Word 97.

Excellent, I'm off down the town in a bit to get the new Massive Attack
album.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From aevans at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 20 10:24:34 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:24:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Splatford to Wobbly Wheel
Message-ID: <01BD6C46.84F37460@pc07628>


Introductions agogo.

But first this.......

>Tim Hopkins wrote :

>List, it was horrible.
>And he *has* got childbearing hips. And they sing horrible songs about him
>at Exeter City away fixtures.
>Be warned:-)

I've always wondered where my musical hips went on Saturday afternoons Tim...moonlighting at ECFC away fixtures....I would never have guessed !!! And stabbing me in the back like that as well ???? Bastards.  Next time you see them could you kindly ask them to come home.

Well then you pesky kids, after my character has been suitably defamed (It's all true I might add) here goes my intro :

I'm Adrian/Adey-Suit/Twat.  I'm 26 years old believe it or not and I suck everyone's will to live.  I read Sinister Digests for a living in between pretending to be an accountant. My mum thinks it's painful to listen to Belle and Sebastian...it will be if she keeps slagging them orf.
Regional folklore suggests I should spend my whole life drinking copious amounts of cider.  I spend my whole life drinking copious amounts of cider.
I do not have my own website...I am not cool.

FIN.
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I have not got child-bearing hips.....alright ?
Adrian Evans
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From cja1000 at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 20 10:51:54 1998
From: cja1000 at xxx.uk (Chris)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:51:54 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Seeing other people
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980420104643.8953A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

Went to see twentyfourseven last night. Good film, if very depressing.
Places like Mansfield shouldn't be quite soooo grim in 1997. Anyhow,
there's this bit in the middle where these two guys who eventually turn
out to be gay are stood at the urinal going 'Oh yeah, I got hundreds of
women', and all of a sudden I realised why 'Seeing other people' is called
that. That's all. Don't  let's resurrect the 'Is he / Isn't he' debate.

Finest kind,
C.

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From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 20 13:29:04 1998
From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:29:04 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Monday Poem
Message-ID: <199804201226.NAA27393@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>

Hello boys and girls

Still no word from Tag, eh? And just as upsetting: no word from Susannah
the Tormentor, currently sunning herself in Cyprus. Do these people have no
idea of their responsiblities? I appreciate the Duke sending 5 postcards to
make up for their shortcomings.

I'm a bit concerned that Keith feels the need to hide his sensitive side,
denying the fact that he is organising a PICNIC for his INDIE POP CHUMS. I
may be coming over all Julian (or is that Tag's job?), but I feel the need
to "out" Keith as the shy retiring type he is...

Exhibit #1: When I met Keith in Glasgow recently he was clutching a book of
paintings by the noted Abstract Expressionist Mark Rothko.

Exhibit #2: Keith played Gregory's sister's boyfriend in the film of
"Gregory's Girl". What a sweet lad.

Exhibit #3: Keith wears black polo necks so he looks more like his hero, Mr
Sensitive, Lloyd Cole.

Exhibit #4: In an Edinburgh pub recently, Keith spent the evening drawing
in a girl's sketchbook.

Exhibit #5: Keith has the largest collection of Winnie the Pooh merchandise
outside of Japan. He is especially fond of Eeyore.

Well, there is more, but I'll leave it there for now. Unless, that is,
Keith continues to try and act "hard" to impress his "big mates".

Oh, before the poem, can I tell everyone about the new club/social thingy
that David and I are organising? Every Friday from the beginning of May:
top sounds and films, kitsch board games and live bands. 7.30-11pm at the
Poetry Caff on Betterton Street in Covent Garden. Entrance is £3.50, but if
you mention the sinister list you get in for £2.50!

This week's poem was commended in this year's National Poetry Competition.
It's by Billy Childish, who has knocked around the fringes of the London
art/rock/poetry worlds for twenty years now, and apparently is a big
favourite with Kylie Minogue. You can check out the winners and all the
other commendations at the NEW! IMPROVED! poetry society website:
http://www.poetrysoc.com.

Trousers
xxxxxx

Billy Childish 
A sad donkey and a fat man smiling 

Speaking as a man who doesnÂ’t eat cheese
and who paddled into 2nd place in the
Kent Schools under-18s Slalom 1975.
(Three entrants only) 

Speaking as a man who doesnÂ’t own a television set 
doesnÂ’t read daily papers
and the radio remains clicked to off. 

Speaking as a man with twelve fillings,
four verrucas
and one O level (Art grade A) Walderslade Secondary
School for Boys 1976. 

Speaking as an artist of dubious merit
and the writer of lewd verses. 

Speaking as a man who caught Paul WellerÂ’s plectrum
thrown into the audience at Battersea Town Hall,
Jubilee Week 19977. (Support group The Boys) 

Speaking as a man who carved The Reclining Admiral
and Van Gogh Without a Moustache.
Apprentice stone mason
Her MajestyÂ’s Dockyard Chatham 1976. 

Speaking as a man who wore second-hand clothes
up until he was 33. 

Speaking as a man who tried to run down Johnny Rotten
on the pavement outside The Roebuck Public House, Kings Rd
London 1978. (Drunk in charge of a push bike) 

Speaking as a man with eyes the shape of little fishies,
the hands of my father and somebody elseÂ’s legs,
I see that truth only comes staggering up the mountain side
like a sad donkey teetering under the weight of a fat man smiling.

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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Mon Apr 20 14:39:32 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:39:32 +0100
Subject: Sinister: strange conversations...and a message for Stuart M.
References: <01bd6ae6$2adeaaa0$093370c2@mr-arefin>
Message-ID: <353B5014.8341A3EE@virgin.net>

Yaz wrote:
> 
> BTW David (or maybe HoneyBunney, i'm not sure),  do we still get to know
> about later picnics this summer on the other  news list, then?

no, the news list from the fan club site is for releases, tour/live and
occasioanlly media related things like if they do radio sessions.

the news directly relating to fans will always be on the sinister list
and the fan club site. this means that to hear about picnics you really
do have to be subscribed to sinister or hope that we update the websites
often.

david kitchen

   PS: considering lots of things for the future, one of them is the
addition of shockwave to the websites, what do you all think of this?
   my reasons: shockwave allows full multimedia and better effects in
small files (quick to download) and works on nearly everyone's browsers
with the aid of a plugin that enables the browser to view the shockwave
files. the alternative to shockwave is lots of javascript which mean big
files and that you must have the latest browser (which if you're at work
or college isn't helpful). the shockwave plugin takes less than five
minutes to install and only needs updating every year or two and can be
found on most magazine cover disks.
   so what do you all think? afterall, it'll affect you most.
   anyhow, i'll let you all know in advance if i choose to do this. :)
-- 
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                  belle and sebastian fan club

       mail-outs, IRC chat, lyrics, poetry, fiction, vote,
          records, artwork, news, merchandise, picnics

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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Mon Apr 20 14:47:45 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:47:45 +0100
Subject: Sinister: IMPORTANT: PICNICS
Message-ID: <353B5201.D90916D6@virgin.net>

could all the people who are organising the picnics please mail me with
all the info that anyone could need to join in, i.e.

meet up times, location of picnic, possible duration, how to get there
by public transport from the main coach/train stations, events/games
that are happening, what to bring (packed lunch? booze? twister?), back
up plans if it pisses down, who to contact for more info + their e-mail
address, etc.

i will then place all this info onto the fan club site and then everyone
can use the one location to organise their festivities and find out
their local bash.

thanks

david kitchen

if e-mail is inconvenient you can fax on +44 (0)181 560 1815 and then
i'll add the details that way, if you need to call me or something, the
above number is also a phone, so ring that :)
-- 
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       mail-outs, IRC chat, lyrics, poetry, fiction, vote,
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From mbgustat at xxx.net  Mon Apr 20 15:04:09 1998
From: mbgustat at xxx.net (Mike Gustat)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:04:09 -0400
Subject: Sinister: IMPORTANT: PICNICS
Message-ID: <01BD6C43.B6060B60@ppp-31.ts-2.bos.idt.net>


HEY GUYS!

any word on a US release date for the new EP?
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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Mon Apr 20 15:10:49 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (David & Katrina)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:10:49 +0100
Subject: Sinister: IMPORTANT: PICNICS
References: <01BD6C43.B6060B60@ppp-31.ts-2.bos.idt.net>
Message-ID: <353B5768.77B65066@virgin.net>

Mike Gustat wrote:
> 
> HEY GUYS!
> 
> any word on a US release date for the new EP?

not yet i'm afraid, but you will all hear about it first as we'll do a
mail-out to both the news and sinister lists to make sure that you get
the details first. this applies to tour news too.

david

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From adamrobinson at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 20 12:10:12 1998
From: adamrobinson at xxx.uk (Adam Robinson)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:10:12 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I know I Need A Small Vacation
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From thaiant at xxx.gov  Mon Apr 20 17:36:02 1998
From: thaiant at xxx.gov (Thaian N Ton )
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:36:02 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Spinach Dip Polaroid
Message-ID: <353B796D.C01A8DC@pop.nci.nih.gov>

Hello All:  I thought I'd let you see this ink polaroid so you can join
in on Pam Berry's very cool living room party :

It's saturday night, and i'm in pam's grand old place in dc.  i'm
slightly tipsy due to a wee bit of vodka i laced with ginger ale.  i'm
smirking cos i'm standing outside on the porch, eyeing the spinach dip
sitting on the kitchen counter.  i'm scrunching up my face cos i'm
trying to think of an opportune moment to dash in and stuff my fat face
with this deliciously stuffed bread.  as i dash in there, i find myself
surrounded by young hipsters, and i'm talking about sharing grape seeds
with them, while continually dipping my bread in this spinach dip that i
can't stop eating.  suddenly i spy the 'pigs in a blanket' sitting on
the counter as well.  i get so excited i nearly spill my drink as i'm
heading that way.  then pam plays the lovely, lovely music and as 'dog
on wheels' is blasting out, we're all dancing the night away like
dancing fools.

well, that was my show & tell for the day.  a big big cheer to Pam Berry
& the party that was oh so joyous.

ta ta, keep singing the b&s (i've made a convert now... big count: 2)
wee chi chi (thai-an) xxx

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Subject: Sinister: candy factory interview
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dum de dum, candy factory interview from july 97.

Belle & Sebastian are a 7 piece (perhaps by now an 8 piece) from
Glasgow, Scotland I was first introduced to this band when I made a
tape swap with an English lad last September. I have to be honest when
I say that the first time I heard 'The State I Am In," it blew me into
the stratosphere. Their careers have also seemed to have recently
skyrocketed with a domestic release of their second album "If You're
Feeling Sinister," by the moderately sized Enclave label. Look out for
new import EPs including Dog On Wheels and enough boring chit-chat...
Let's hear what Stuart (vocals) and Chris (keyboards) have to say.

CF:=09Hi. My name is Matt. Just who are you guys?

Chris:=09You know who I am, so it seems pretty silly telling you. Stuart
is here just now, as well.

Stuart:=09Hey Matt. This is Stuart Murdoch here. I can't remember what
interviews we did with the U.S. [NY Times] . You said that you didn't
really know us from that [Editors note: I spoke with them on this
interview in a previous email]. If you meet us, then you will know us
and you will see that we're pretty straight-forward and are into a lot
of the same things that you are into. But in terms of songs and things
in our heads, we always try to throw a "googly" which might translate
as a "curve ball." . . . we'd rather talk rubbish when it comes to
interviews and things. So apologies if we seem not to give you
straight answers. We enjoy the interaction though. So to your
questions. I'm twenty-eight and have lived in Glasgow most of my life.
I started to write songs about four years ago. I persevered on my own
for quite some time, and got very engrossed with playing and recording.
CF:=09Who in the band picked the name?
C:=09Stuart did.
8:=09I wrote a story called =93Belle & Sebastian'' one gloomly summer. I
used the name thereafter on tapes I handed out because I imagined that
the characters in the story had produced the music, and in essence
they had. I met the real B&S one by one in a short space of time soon
after.
CF:=09What music did you listen to growing up and what do you listen to
now? Would you consider any of these bands to be influential?
S:=09I grew up listening to Yes. Does it show?
C:=09Bad metal when I was a wee rock kid with a mullet but I still love
AC/DC, the Stone Roses, and Happy Mondays, the lots of awful early
90's indie rock.
Now mostly soul and techno, but that's just today, I go through wee
phases of listening to one particular thing all the time for a few
weeks. As you probably gathered from what I said yesterday southern
soul is really the big thing for me. The stuff I've listed to has
influenced me in different ways, like from the Roses I got interested
in radical politics and started reading books about May 68 and stuff .
=2E . If It hadn't been for them I probably wouldn't be doing a
philosophy degree, even though that sounds really wanky. Musically I'm
always trying to play with the same feeling for space as someone like
Spooner Oldham, but I guess the stuff we do isn't drawn that much from
r n'b so it's more a feeling rather than directly drawing on what
someone else has done. Having said that the thing about these guys is
that they always played the song, and guess I try to do that too.
CF:=09What is life like being in a band and living in Glasgow? Is there
really an east coast / west coast competition with Edinburgh?
C:=09I really like living in Glasgow . . . all my friends are here, but
having said that I'm thinking of leaving, but I don't know where to.
There's not really any rivalry between Glasgow bands and Edinburgh
bands as far as I know ... in footballing terms Glasgow is totally
dominant but there is big rivalry between the two biggest dubs in
Glasgow, Rangers and Celtic . . . It is all to do with religion and
Northern Ireland... at one point there were more anti-Catholic
organisations in Glasgow than there were Catholics so it's not hard to
see why Celtic fans have a chip on their collective shoulder... not
that we do, but it would be understandable if we did, which we don't.
S:=09Glasgow's a fine place to live. Just fine. Come over and we'll make
you feel at home.
CF:=09In case you haven't realized, you have quite a fanbase over the
world. Are you somehow overwhelmed by this, or do you find yourselves
taking your popularity in stride? Did you ever think Tigermilk would
sell so many copies in such a short period of time?
S:=09There were only 1000 Tigermilk, and we gave 600 away! We are not
over-whelmed. We are underwhelmed because folk in Glasgow think you
are being a cheeky bastard.
C:=09Playing live is the only time you actually realize anyone is
bothered. Anyway 1000 records ain't that much.
CF:=09Do you plan on a US tour in the near future?
S:=09See Chris for [the answer to this question].
C:=09Yep. It seems we're headed stateside in August, but its not really
much of a tour - just New York, Boston, Chicago and Atlanta... Can't
say I'm really looking forward to it but maybe it'll seem more
appealing when I'm finished studying.
CF:=09Will Tigermilk ever be reissued? Describe the upcoming releases.
Will you still do them through Jeepster?
S:=09Yes. I'm sure in a couple of years. We are going to compile our
upcoming British releases onto an LP for The Enclave called Lazy Line
Painter Jane. This is no half-baked plan. This LP is the natural
culmination of our winter's work. I ought to send you the story of
Lazy Jane some time.
C:=09I hope so, I was dead proud of It. The new stuff maybe gets across
more of the energy that is there when we play... It was all recorded
live... It=92s the first stuff we've done that I've sat at home and
listened to by myself.
CF:=09Listening to your music, one cannot help but be moved by your
lyrics. What inspires these words? Life? Your imaginations? Is the
story of "The Slate I'm In" autobiograiplical?
S:=09Songs have a life of their own if they're any good so we just leave
them to get on with it.
CF:=09Do you plan on covering any bands? Would you like other bands to
cover you? If so, which bands?
S:=09We played "Reel Around The Fountain" by the Smiths at two concerts
recently. That was my choice. I think we'll drop the odd cover into
our playing in the future. As long as everyone is happy with it. I'd
like to play good versions of "The Boys are Back in Town" by Thin
Lizzy and "Block Rockin' Beats" by the Chemical Brothers.
C:=09We've done the Smith's "Reel Around the Fountain"... not a band I
really rate, but everyone else like them. We were talking the other
day about doing "Block Rockin' Beats" by the Chemical Brothers but I
don't know if that will ever get beyond a drunk joke. There's lots of
songs I'd like to try, just for fun, like Left Banke stuff or some
Northern Soul numbers. I'm in another group called V-twin and we do
"All Kinds of Girls" by the Real Kids and "Do I Love You" by the
Ronettes. We are the greatest rock'n'roll band on earth . . . the
other's out. Belle & Sebastian always come and see us play, it's like
having your parents come and see you but I'm glad they like us cos
sometimes I worry that my taste is so different from everyone else in
the band, but it's not really... I=92ve just come to realize that you
can't necessarily put across everything that you're into in one song
or something, and it probahly isn't worth trying to do anyway cos then
the song wouldn=92t say anything other than what music you like. Oh also
me and Stevie play 'Topanga Canyon" off of John PIlillips' solo
album... an excellent record - boy it if you ever see it.
CF:=09What are your thoughts on the evolution of pop music at this time?
How do you feel being a part of its evolution?
S:=09[This question] is one that my head is too dizzy to answer just now.
C:=09I don't know about the evolution question. I mean we don't exist in
a vacuum, but I don't really see us in any particular context,
although Tigermilk is next to my other indie records.... I dunno, the
contemporary stuff that is really out there is drum and bass or hip
hop or techno but much as I love a lot of that stuff I still listen to
guitar bands too.... It doesn't matter what genre something is, if
someone is genuinely excited by the music they're doing that comes
across whether they're using computers or an acoustic guitar.
CF:=09how long do you see yourselves working in this band? Is there
anything else you guys aspire to in life?
S:=09I was thinking last night that it is always a comfort and settling
down to something "real" for awhile away from this funny business. Our
work is crystal clear for the moment, but in the future, I would love
simply to make coffee for people and listen to their problems. How
long that would last for is anyone's guess. I'm sure the rest have
many different things they'd rather do with their time. They did after
all have this little hobby thrust on them more than I. Apart from
Stevie maybe.
C:=09I don't know how long things will last but I'm getting better at
enjoying it while it do..... I would have liked to have been a
footbatler but I wasn't good enough.
CF:=09Are there any exotic countries you'd like to tour?
S:=09I don't know about tour. Visit is a better word. I would like to
visit and possibly play in Jerusalem, Brisbane, Sydney, India, parts
of China, the Czech Republic. It is presumptuous to imagine that they
would want to see us there, but if we could perform a useful task
there, it would be a privilege.
C:=09[In context to our US tour] I'm more interested in visiting places
like Memphis and New Orleans and Nashville. . . . I love the idea of
going and playmg our music in places like that have so much amazing
stuff and maybe they'd boot us off stage nightly, or maybe they'd
think that in our own white Scottish kind of way we had some sort of
soul or some sort of realness to us I think we do... at least the
reaction somewhere like that would probably be more genuine than
somewhere filled with journalists out to see the latest freak show or
even worse people from your own record company I suppose I'm just
totally inspired by music from the south, Sun stuff, Arthur Alexander
all the stuff from Stax, Muscle Shoals, people like Dan Penn, Alex
Chilton, that's where it's all from as far as i'm concerned. I'd love
to do a record down there too, cos they know how to record a band
playing together in a room.
CF:=09Thanks for the interview!

cheers
andy ("a British lad")
=3D=3D
andrew dean (koogydelbbog at yahoo.com)


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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Mon Apr 20 17:12:14 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:12:14 +0200
Subject: Sinister: The Monday Fox
Message-ID: <01bd6c77$14e98c00$LocalHost@itjfvkli>

Foxy Loxy wrinkled his nose and scratched his scrotum in befuddled
dejection. Where could it be? It was no good; his library card was nowhere
to be found. What a puzzling palaver....
Foxy Loxy replaced his testicles and rummaged around in the back of his
wardrobe until he found his reading spectacles, a family heirloom passed
down from Fox to Fox for centuries. He perched them on his snout and sneaked
an admiring glance at himself in his antique looking-glass: "What a sly old
cunt you are, Foxy!" he thought, and licked his lips in anticipation.


More from Foxy Loxy next week. Welcome back Big Tackles Brad Ford and
Mitchell Mitchell! Hey gang, let's all go to the Chicago picnic! There are
rumours afoot that Big Arthur Bergman will be wielding his spatulas at the
barbeque! Now THAT'S what I call big tackle!

Arantxa Sanchez Viccario

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From mctag at xxx.com  Mon Apr 20 17:44:06 1998
From: mctag at xxx.com (Tag)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:44:06 GMT
Subject: Sinister: In Stockholm, no-one can hear you rule
Message-ID: <35437b53.31326387@email.mcmail.com>

So, did you miss me?

Once again, I've left my heart in Stockholm (and maybe my liver as
well).  Now I'm back at work, wading through a million digests.  You
didn't really expect a postcard, did you?  I was far too busy enjoying
myself, I'm afraid.  So maybe a couple of Swedish ink polaroids are in
order.

	This one is at my new mate Jeri's flat in Stockholm, the first
night away.  Marse and I have been drinking as nature ended for some
time, leading me to  declare that "indie kids are all wankers", while
professing a deep love of Judas Priest. Three other (somewhat more
sober) people are watching, looking at Marcus who is attempting to get
a rug to levitate, while explaining that we don't need a taxi cos "we
can get home by magic carpet".  I probably believe him.

	This is me playing records to an uncaring public.  Every time
I go to my drink, it has been mysteriously refilled.  As a result I
have just played one of my favourite Northern Soul stompers at the
wrong speed, to slyly sneak the volume up while the staff aren't
looking, and to attempt to segue "Up town top rankin" into "Dylan in
the movies".  Strangely, although at the bar itself the music is
deafening, the only other part of the place where any music can be
heard is the toilet.

	This is one of Anna in Copenhagen.  She is bent double with
hysterical laughter.  This is because I have just attempting to ask a
passer-by for directions by raising my finger ET-style and saying
"Excuse me" in a nervous falsetto.

Other highlights included seeing Make Up in Lund, who were just
fantastic, discovering a Scottish punk band called Oi! Polloi! were
playing in Stockholm, seeing "Austin Powers" which ruled; meeting
someone in Malmo who was such a serious raver he could dance to
advertising jingles, and well, just being in my favourite country.  I
never did get to meet Andreas (sorry), but hello to Stefan and the
mysterious Irish listee I met at Folkhammet, and most of all to
Tyskan, because she rules.

It snowed, but we didn't see any foxes.  We did, however, spend 15
minutes watching two dogs shagging in Kristiania.  It was dead
romantic.

Love
Tag xx
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From joanna at xxx.com  Mon Apr 20 16:48:46 1998
From: joanna at xxx.com (Joanna Ebenstein)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:48:46 -0700
Subject: Sinister: San Francisco Croquet
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980420084846.00709248@altamira.sagepub.com>

Hey.......

I am a list lurker who has been off-put by the largely euro nature of the
listees.

But if any of you live in the San Francisco Area (that's in America, you
knowand want to meet up and communally swoon over Belle and Sebastian,
perhaps over croquet (sp?) or mint fizzes, then let me know. My life is
sorely lacking in understanding individuals.

--Joanna
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AltaMira Press
1630 North Main Street, Suite 367
Walnut Creek, CA  94596
(510) 938-7243
Fax: (510)933-9720
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From blink at xxx.net  Sun Apr 19 01:53:13 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:53:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: spin spin spin
Message-ID: <199804190053.UAA04475@Vector.inexpress.net>

Hi all!
I had read that B&S were going to be in Spin's top 40...and goodness it's true!
I don't like Spin and various other magazines and usually whenever I see a
band I like in them I always get a little angry cos..well various reasons
that i won't get into..
BUT when I saw the little B&S...I felt actually happy..i think Stuart
Murdoch looks beautiful in that picture,the teeny little smile..awww...i
felt such an overwheming love for him and his voice when I saw that picture!!
Anyways..I didn't really care about what they wrote but here it is anyways:

Belle and Sebastian are indie rock's most notorious shrinking violets.They
refuse to be photographed,shun reporters,and rarely perform in public.Even
becoming a band at all was something of an accident for the Scottish
collective.Each year,Alan Rankine,a onetime member of 80's popsters the
Associates,shows his music buisness class at Glasgow's Stowe College how to
produce and market a record.In 1996,the class picked a demo tape by shy
singer/guitarist Stuart Murdoch,impressed both by his meticulously
arranged,slyly funny pop tunes,and his ethereal,Nick Drake-like voice. "The
strength of the songs just pissed on everything from a great height!" raves
Rankine.A surprised Murdoch cobbled some musician friends together and
recorded the acclaimed Tigermilk EP."We thought it was okay," says drummer
Richard Colburn."Then record companies and fans started calling and we
thought,My God,what have we done?" They signed with The Enclave label,which
folded soon after the release of the excellent If You're Feeling Sinister.A
new record will be released by Matador this summer,but the band is still
devising ways to confound the public. "I'm going to suggest something daft
like touring the world's Holiday Inns," says Rankine,still a band
confidante. "That ought to keep them occupied."

(radiohead pictures everywhere in this thing! Today,in a very trendy
'ohmigod' shoe store they were playing Paranoid Android.I wonder how Thom
woulda felt about that...because he's always going on about how he turns on
the tv and sees ads for toasters and feels disgust...)
 *sniff* My street poet friend didn't recognize me today..just cos i wasn't
wearing my miniskirt...so i got no true love poems today.But he met the
director of that famous opera which is performing at the nac now...limos
everywhere..so i was happy for him...i would like to be able to play B&S
songs very well on my guitar..i think it would be so nice to sit under the
bridge and be a belle n sebby busker...

kisses,
Genevieve

saw Nightwatch...that Nick Nolte is a creepy man!!!! And
Ewan...sounded..American! I didn't think he could do it...i much prefer
Scottish accent..mmm...redheads...

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From MFKX7HVB at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 20 22:46:46 1998
From: MFKX7HVB at xxx.uk (Henry)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:46:46 gmt0bst
Subject: Sinister: re dylan
Message-ID: <27C54401B98@orpheus.man.ac.uk>

"The sun's not yellow, its A chicken", I believe.

Also my GRANNY likes B+S, which is pretty cool as she used to be a 
ballet dancer.
  
    love Henry
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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Tue Apr 21 01:09:26 1998
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:09:26 EDT
Subject: Sinister: re dylan
Message-ID: <42d537e2.353be3b9@aol.com>

"The sun's not yellow, its A chicken", I believe.


Sorry, no A.  The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.  
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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Tue Apr 21 03:45:51 1998
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:45:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: final notes for the nyc picnic
Message-ID: <v01510102b1614bd81d08@[128.122.237.96]>

ok, this is it, the real deal.  promise, cross my heart.  the day:  sunday,
april 26th at noon.
place:  the heckscher playground (i think that's the name), the one at the
waaaay south of the park.  i'll be on or by the swings.  probably.(you'll
know me when you see me, i'm on the picture pages as either megan or minka,
whatever).
time:  noon, but i said that already.
bring:  food.  your own, some for others if you want.  i'm not organized
enough to plan anything more specific than that.

anything else?  probably not.  um, i got rsvps from matt, ben and paige, so
i'll expect you three if no one else!  and i assume that ari and leslie are
coming too.  anyone else?  mike and callie?  brian i assume....  michelle?
come on kids, let's show up in force!  (btw anyone got a radio?  and bring
your cds!)

xox
megan

mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu

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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Tue Apr 21 04:59:20 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:59:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sinister: sinister extra-curricular activities
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980420224835.27213A-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>



I hereby declare that BRADFORD is the funniest person on this list.  (I 
have to flatter him a bit, though, since he was responsible for sending 
me my Tigermilk.) 

Since SARAH has given me no word as to whether I may join the 
cheerleading squad, I am starting a new movement.  In the true tradition 
and spirit of high school, we should all be involved in extra-curricular 
Sinister activities.  I know GENEVEIVE and I are both photographers, and 
I think there is someone here who works at a lab, so I nominate us to 
head the SINISTER PHOTOGRAPHY CLUB.  Those of you with instruments can be 
the SINISTER MARCHING BAND.  We could also have sports teams and such.  
Maybe an environmental club also?  And a drama club?  What else?
So who's joining what?  Everyone should form their own clubs, and, in true 
joiner spirit, anyone can join any club.  Yay!

I thought the forwarded horoscopes were hilarious.  Maybe because I got 
the best of the lot.  I'm a communist Taurus rather than an incestuous, 
prison bound whatever.  

I'm sure this was discussed before I ever joined the list, but Fox in the 
Snow is a painting.  By whom, I don't know.  But maybe this topic could 
stand revival.  I'm sure someone knows.

Also, Trembling Blue Stars used to be Northern Picture Library.  Again, 
something everyone probably already knows, but I thought it should be 
passed on.  

Where are the rest of the Americans?  Maybe we've been hiding out because 
we don't understand such terms as "crikey?"

Must go write a term paper now.  Love to all.

-Kristen

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From Runegg at xxx.com  Tue Apr 21 06:56:02 1998
From: Runegg at xxx.com (Runegg)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:56:02 EDT
Subject: Sinister: New York Picnic!
Message-ID: <15a9dfc1.353c34f4@aol.com>

Megan, you rock.  And all y'all, I'll see you there.
--Ari
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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Tue Apr 21 11:09:02 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:09:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: fan club site news
Message-ID: <353C703E.DB99E295@virgin.net>

just to let you all know that the fan club site now has a mirror
location, this is dua to our main server being updated over the next few
weeks which will cause delays and possible failed connections.

anyhow, the mirror belongs to the same company but is slightly faster
and more reliable, so should you fail to reach one address, just try the
other. this is important because all of the picnic details that i've
received will be up this afternoon/evening.

anyhow the urls are:
http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/
http://www.myspace.co.uk/bluesoda/

again, if the first one doesn't work try the second, also, it's a good
idea to create a second bookmark if you have the site bookmarked, as you
may not remember the url when you need it most.

thanks

david kitchen

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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Tue Apr 21 11:13:56 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:13:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: oops!
Message-ID: <353C7164.DF96F53@virgin.net>

should've said that the url for the mirror is;
http://www.myspace.co.uk/bluesoda/sinister.htm

otherwise it'd just send you back to the totalweb address!

duh!

david :)
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From Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 21 12:56:28 1998
From: Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk (Huw Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:56:28 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Please Help!!
Message-ID: <61D51AF2F749D11196EA00805F387D44034F7A@RMF1>

I've dug myself into a bit of a hole and I need some help digging myself
back out again..  About two weeks ago I had my college graduation
ceremony in Durham.  Unfortunately when I got there a friend of mine
convinced me to drink a lot of beer and miss out on my ceremony.  Duh!

Now my mother wants to see the photo's of myself in a Cap & Gown and she
already sent the money up to me for them as I told her that I'd got it
done.  And my gran wants to see them as well, what am I going to do!!

I would go to a proffesional photographer and get it done here in London
but it would cost too much money and I've just paid the rent on my house
this week.

So if you live in London and you are a photographer or if you have
access to a Cap & Gown please e-mail me and let me know as I need it
done by Friday ( I also have a bet with a friend, who hates Belle &
Sebastian, that I couldn't do it, help me prove him wrong).

TA 
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From tinystar at xxx.com  Tue Apr 21 13:10:00 1998
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:10:00 -0400
Subject: Sinister: sinister extra-curricular activities
Message-ID: <v01540b00b1623a7856c1@[172.16.1.118]>

>Since SARAH has given me no word as to whether I may join the
>cheerleading squad, I am starting a new movement.  In the true tradition
>and spirit of high school, we should all be involved in extra-curricular
>Sinister activities.  I know GENEVEIVE and I are both photographers, and
>I think there is someone here who works at a lab, so I nominate us to
>head the SINISTER PHOTOGRAPHY CLUB.  Those of you with instruments can be
>the SINISTER MARCHING BAND.  We could also have sports teams and such.
>Maybe an environmental club also?  And a drama club?  What else?
>So who's joining what?  Everyone should form their own clubs, and, in true
>joiner spirit, anyone can join any club.  Yay!

I'm a photographer, and I also play the flute.  I like this joiner spirit,
although perhaps we can have a Sinister Band, just regular without the
marching, for those of us who can't even walk and chew gum at the same
time, let alone try and tackle an instrument and march.  We should maybe
have a Sinister Jazz Ensemble, so that guitarists and bass players don't
feel left out.  Oh, and of course, the Sinister Yearbook, or the Sinister
Newspaper, or both, so that they can be filled up with real photos and Ink
Polaroids and essays and poems, and maybe a little 'Want Ads' section in
the back for people who would like Tigermilk taped, and then a parallel
list of those who are willing to do the deed.

>Where are the rest of the Americans?  Maybe we've been hiding out because
>we don't understand such terms as "crikey?"

I'm Canadian (Toronto's my home), and I've just been hiding due to shyness
and homework.  I quite enjoy the overwhelming British-ness of some of the
messages...using foreign terms comes across as more passionate, I think.
Well, sometimes, anyways.  Us North Americans are just jealous because we
can't say flash things like 'crikey' or 'I'll give him a ring' or 'on the
telly' without looking pretentious, and British folk pass them off with
such ease.  Lucky ducks.

On a tangent, has anyone made their own Belle and Sebastianopoly?  I keep
thinking about it, and what a hit it would be.

This was fun.  Perhaps I'll post more often.

truly,
jessicaxo

*****************************************************************
Someone had spied on us, I suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the
sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or Coca-Cola but hot milk out of a
thermos.
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From 9607260m at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 21 14:02:51 1998
From: 9607260m at xxx.uk (David S Mccarthy)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:02:51 +0000
Subject: Sinister: happy b+s graffiti
Message-ID: <20B895B49BC@lms.student.gla.ac.uk>

While the rest of the world was suffering the ravages of el nino last 
week, for some unknown reason the weather in damp old glasgow was 
fine and sunny and last saturday it was even warm!!!!!!
  Anyway I woke up at about eleven on this beautiful sunny day, saw 
my flatmate and we decided to go shoping in town and do lunch. When 
we opened the curtains to the beautiful day outside she said it would 
be appropriate to put on le pastie de la bourgoisie, it was and I 
did.   Not much later after deciding it was so nice out we'd walk 
into town, we set set of with said tune still ringing in our heads. 
We took a scenic route over park circus and crossed the motorway at 
charing cross by the pedestrian bridge and to our surprise at the 
other side on a wall just behind sauchihall street someone had  
written in large white spraycan writing- Le pastie de la bourgoisie 
which was a bit freaky but nice, and made my flatemate start singing 
it. But I went red and embarrased 'cause we we're now walking down 
busy sauchihall street on a saturday and I get embarased easy, so she 
stopped. But it was still the start of a beautifull day, and b+s were 
involved and everybody was happy. Except probably Glasgow city 
council. Has anyone else seen belle and sebastian graffiti anywhere 
else?

David 
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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 21 14:24:07 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:24:07 +0100
Subject: Sinister: sinister extra-curricular activities
Message-ID: <0CD7A823B7CFD111892600A0C943E5AB0DF6@kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk>

> I'm a photographer, and I also play the flute. 
> 
Gee, I do both those things too.  Well, I do the photography as part of the
whole ART package, and will do for the next 3 years at uni.  How many other
people play orchestral instruments?  We could have mass renditions of the
instrumental and middle eight bits from *all the hits*: just imagine the
majestic sound of many flautists playing that tricky Emajor solo from We
Rule The School.  Which reminds me, I'll have to have a go at getting the
intro to Mary Jo right this week...
>  
> Us North Americans are just jealous because we
> can't say flash things like 'crikey' or 'I'll give him a ring' or 'on the
> telly' without looking pretentious, and British folk pass them off with
> such ease.  Lucky ducks.
> 
It's our glorious idiosyncracies that mark us as such wonderful people.
Har-de har har.  Seriously, it's really bizarre to think that "crikey" is a
foreign term to a lot of people on the list.  Weird.

>           ByeBye,
>                       Liz.
>                       (edaplynr3n00297 at kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk)
> 
> *****************************************
> Man is the only animal that blushes.
> Or needs to.
> 
>                                    Mark Twain
> *****************************************
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From eng98ajo at xxx.se  Tue Apr 21 15:36:18 1998
From: eng98ajo at xxx.se (Anna Johansson)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:36:18 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Re: Sinister extra-currcular activities
Message-ID: <l03110701b1625dd0b68b@[130.235.142.83]>

> In the true tradition
>and spirit of high school, we should all be involved in extra-curricular
>Sinister activities.  I know GENEVEIVE and I are both photographers, and
>I think there is someone here who works at a lab, so I nominate us to
>head the SINISTER PHOTOGRAPHY CLUB.  Those of you with instruments can be
>the SINISTER MARCHING BAND.  We could also have sports teams and such.
>Maybe an environmental club also?  And a drama club?  What else?
>So who's joining what?  Everyone should form their own clubs, and, in true
>joiner spirit, anyone can join any club.  Yay!


I want to be in the croquet team!!! Anyone else up for the clubs? Oh, and
is it ok to play kazoo in the marching band? This is really a wonderful
opportunity for me since I never was in any clubs or teams in high school
(although, in my last year I was actually vice president of my school's
photography club, but since we only ever had one meeting, I don't know if
it really counts...)

Olé, Anna :)


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From mctag at xxx.com  Tue Apr 21 14:44:29 1998
From: mctag at xxx.com (Tag)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:44:29 GMT
Subject: Sinister: out, but not proud
Message-ID: <3542a209.19795003@email.mcmail.com>

You lot,

Following Trousers cruel outing of Keith the Flower Picker, I think
it's time to tell all about the true nature of Little Stevie Trews
himself, would-be poet and sensitive artist, 

1	The bookshelves of Stephen's house, far from being lined with
the works of e.e. cummings, are packed with Sven Hassell and Tom
Sharpe novels, and back issues of "Loaded".

2	He lights his own farts, and emerges from the toilet saying
"Fucking 'ell, that was a ring-stinger, no-one smoke in there for a
week".

3	His walls are covered with pictures of his dream women -
Pamela Anderson and Jo Guest.  His pride and joy, however, is that
timeless picture of a tennis player scratching her bum.  "It's well
funny, and sexy as fuck", says Trews, with a lascivious look on his
face.

4	Trousers wears y-fronts with "Gurl bait" written above a
picture of a worm.  He changes them once a month whether he needs to
or not.

5	While many of you have an image of Trews ideal evening being
maybe a Bergman retrospective at the NFT, or perhaps a glass of
chablis at his favourite bistro, he is usually to be found at his
favourite boozer "Brahms and Liszt", singing along to the jukebox
playing "Hi Ho Silver Lining" with his mates Baz and Kev, before
settling down, putting his hand down the front of his "trackie"
bottoms, scratching his balls, turning to the girl next to him and
saying "You might be ugly, but you've got fucking great tits, love.
Fancy it?"  When his amourous advances are (inevitably) spurned, he
consoles himself by shouting "Come on my son, stick it in the back of
the net" at the football on TV.

6	Trousers favourite film is Porky's.  His favourite foreign
film is "Betty Blue".  "It's about this bird who can't speak a word of
English, but she gets her kit off", he explains.

Next week: Genevieve is revealed as Hank, a 45 year old Wall Street
Banker, the Duke shares his body-building tips, we visit Sister
Susannah at her private chapel at St Mary the Immaculate's Convent,
hear of JJ's tireless work for charity, Stuart Murdoch admits that
Milli Vanilli's production team wrote and performed all their songs,
and I tell you all about my week in Butlins.

Love
Tag x
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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 21 14:51:33 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:51:33 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Potatos and melons wholesale direct to the public
Message-ID: <353CA465.549D@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>

Somebody wrote:-

 @I was dissapointed to learn that the first two lines weren't, "I was
looking for Mcdonalds I was looking for a sign":- 

 Can I just say that David Kitchen once told me that he used to think
that the first two lines of 'Stars of track and field,' were:-

 "Makes a new COAT everyday to suit his affairs" which I think is a
quite lovely image. Does anyone else out there have a kerrazy story to
relate regarding the miss hearing of B&S lyrics and the hilarious
slapstick consequences? A fox in some snow to the most amusing mix-up. 
(I spent a good two years believing that 'Lipgloss' went 'Laughing at
badgers and putting up with all of his friends' which is more than a
little Murdoch-esque now I come to think of it.)

 Most amusing visual pun of the week:- Tim from Orlando standing next to
a big sign reading 'How to make it in the music business' at the launch
of the Sian Pattenden book of the some name. Well it made me laugh till
my tequila came up through my nose.

 Is the Duke really from Harringay? Cos that's where I live. Right next
to Johnny English Fruit&Veg whose shopsign reads 'potatos and melons
wholesale diect to the public', Snuff fans(that's you Begbie). Does this
mean I owe him land duties or anything?

 Stay lucky, Rory xxx

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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Tue Apr 21 14:51:50 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:51:50 +0100
Subject: Sinister: PICNIC INFO
Message-ID: <353CA476.E84DD13E@virgin.net>

is now up at this url

http://www.myspace.co.uk/bluesoda/picnics.htm

or you can just follow the links from the fan club site which is
temporarily at

http://www.myspace.co.uk/bluesoda/sinister.htm

thanks

david

PS: news on the club with trousers will follow tomorrow or the day after
with another url!
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From 106226.554 at xxx.com  Tue Apr 21 16:18:12 1998
From: 106226.554 at xxx.com (graham thomson)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:18:12 -0400
Subject: Sinister: sinister extra-curricular activities
Message-ID: <199804211118_MC2-3A92-39A6@compuserve.com>

Message text written by ELIZABETH DAPLYN
> Us North Americans are just jealous because we
> can't say flash things like 'crikey' or 'I'll give him a ring' or 'on the
> telly' without looking pretentious, and British folk pass them off with
> such ease.  Lucky ducks.<



Ye but you Yankies can say things like 'Geee, that was a big one' and
'yeee, haaa' with out sounding like somebody who has just found the secret
pleasures of being in the navy!!
other things only americans can say without looking stupid are
'Aliens abdusted me to carry out medical tests'
'I though apearing on the Ricki Lake show would help my marriage'
'Then Jesus said'
'I don;t like soccer'
 Americans can also have cool names that you would never get away with in
the U.K like
'Randy'
'Pepper'
'Juda'

Love and kisses and whatever you want from me

John
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From 106226.554 at xxx.com  Tue Apr 21 16:18:02 1998
From: 106226.554 at xxx.com (graham thomson)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:18:02 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Potatos and melons wholesale direct to the public
Message-ID: <199804211118_MC2-3A92-39A2@compuserve.com>

Message text written by Rory Mackie
>"Makes a new COAT everyday to suit his affairs" which I think is a
quite lovely image. Does anyone else out there have a kerrazy story to
relate regarding the miss hearing of B&S lyrics and the hilarious
slapstick consequences?<

"Peter the Boot had a pornographic memory for all that he had hear, and he
took all of my sins and he wrote the pocket novel called the states that I
am in"  For ages I beleived that this song was about pornography.


John
P.S I love you all

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From janine at xxx.com  Tue Apr 21 16:59:02 1998
From: janine at xxx.com (Janine Papp)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:59:2 -0400
Subject: Sinister: tigermilk trials
Message-ID: <19980421155201516.AAB168@[208.129.71.11]>

tigermilk trials
How and why and when and where I became obsessed with Belle and Sebastian
(by Janine)

I first heard B&S on a tape my friend Jeremy made for me.  I liked them. 
Then I heard a few more songs on a sampler.  I liked them too.  Then I
tried to see B&S in NYC.  I could not get in to the sold-out show, of
course.  Little did I know that so many other people were crazy about
them.  I was not yet totally obsessed, you see.
Then one night I had a dream about horses.  I woke up singing "Judy and
the dream of horses."  I couldn't get the song out of my head.  I went out
and bought If You're Feeling Sinister.  And you know, I have listened to
it every day since.
Right now I am waiting for my friend Jeremy to make me a copy of
Tigermilk.  He promised he would.  He told me he'd have it for me in a
week (this was two weeks ago!)  Needless to say I am about to die of
anticipation.  Jeremy told me not to call him every day and bug him about
it.  So I have faxed him a message that said nothing but "TIGERMILK!!!"; I
have sent a messenger with an envelope bearing the note "TIGERMILK NOW!!!"
and I have called him, oh, about every other day.  you know dear
sinisterers perhaps you could give him a call too.. no, just kidding.  I'm
sure I will eventually get my copy of Tigermilk.

Janine
  


Mute
140 W. 22nd St. #10-A
New York NY 10011

mute at mute.comfax: 212 255 6056
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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Tue Apr 21 16:52:49 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:52:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sinister: photography club business
In-Reply-To: <61D51AF2F749D11196EA00805F387D44034F7A@RMF1>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980421104918.27838A-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>

> 
> So if you live in London and you are a photographer or if you have
> access to a Cap & Gown please e-mail me and let me know as I need it
> done by Friday ( I also have a bet with a friend, who hates Belle &
> Sebastian, that I couldn't do it, help me prove him wrong).
> 
> TA 
> Huw


  Any London-based members of the SINISTER PHOTOGRAPHY CLUB?  Maybe we 
should elect officers and such.  So far our members include Jessica from 
Toronto and Elizabeth from the UK.  And me.  And I think Geneveive.  Oh- 
Jessica and Elizabeth!  Just like the Wakefield twins in the popular 
Sweet Valley series...  

  -Kristen

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From TWidmer at xxx.com  Tue Apr 21 18:20:32 1998
From: TWidmer at xxx.com (Tara Widmer)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:20:32 -0700
Subject: Sinister: being a rebel is fine, but.....
Message-ID: <81C1FB3F4D1ED111A51400805FC1DF0314F36F@amerwksnt01.xil.com>

Hello to all,

Hello and thanks very much to everyone who recently sent in the Belle
interviews/reviews misc stuff yadda yadda... i love you all but can i
just say how frustrating it is when someone posts "Belle and Sebastian
are in Spin! Bye!" with no elaboration??  so anyway big CHEERS to all
who went that extra mile and transcribed the bloody thing (genevieve for
doing so twice i think!)

That said, here's a review NME have of a band called Spraydog:
"Great band name, fab song title, cool label title, nice sleeve artwork.
Everything about Spraydog is groovy. Except the music. The music is, to
be frank, nimby-pimply, generic lo-fi, no-balls, zero-imagination, sans
talent, soppy-swot dog shit. Almost as crap, in fact, as Belle &
Sebastian. No, really. ""

oh hoh ho hehehe... admittedly their reviews are good for a chuckle, in
spite of (or because of?) their procilivity to randomly mention other
bands in reviews for the sole sake of dissing them... tho you'd think
they'd have moved on to someone new by now?

Whoever mentioned being in the Bay Area (Joanna?) hello we are in the
same boat!!  I guess a couple of listees are meeting up at Popscene on
thurs to try to harrass the Djs into playing Belle, so if you're
interested drop us a line:-)

ummm I think I have a crush on a listee, but am too embarrassed to admit
it...

shake it shake shake it hi-KA!
taralula


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From m.williams at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 21 17:00:25 1998
From: m.williams at xxx.uk (m.williams at xxx.uk)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:00:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re : Scarey 1st post !
Message-ID: <00041B48.3207@napier.ac.uk>

Its all very scarey sending a first post !
My friend Lucy was staying at the weekend and she spent the whole time singing
"Belle and Sebastian" from Dog on Wheels much to the anoyance of my house mates
but not me as I only converted her a few days ago, we also drank lots of Gin and
fell over lots.
I think I'd like to come to the Glasgow picnic although I dont know anyone who
is going to be there.

who am I:

Mark Williams
aged 30
work for The Scottish Film School at Napier University Edinburgh
like films, books, music, pubs, clubs (cafe graffitti), etc. etc.
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From conform at xxx.edu  Tue Apr 21 20:10:14 1998
From: conform at xxx.edu (eeyore's tail)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:10:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: sinister extra-curricular activities
In-Reply-To: <199804211118_MC2-3A92-39A6@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.980421120852.1085A-100000@elwha.evergreen.edu>

 
   i do believe that this correlates my friend andy's (who lives in leeds) 
assertion that all you british folks are watching FAR TOO MUCH jerry 
springer.  
 
   seamus

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, graham thomson wrote:

> Ye but you Yankies can say things like 'Geee, that was a big one' and
> 'yeee, haaa' with out sounding like somebody who has just found the secret
> pleasures of being in the navy!!
> other things only americans can say without looking stupid are
> 'Aliens abdusted me to carry out medical tests'
> 'I though apearing on the Ricki Lake show would help my marriage'
> 'Then Jesus said'
> 'I don;t like soccer'
>  Americans can also have cool names that you would never get away with in
> the U.K like
> 'Randy'
> 'Pepper'
> 'Juda'
> 
> Love and kisses and whatever you want from me
> 
> John
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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Tue Apr 21 20:30:27 1998
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:30:27 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Strap Your Cock Around
Message-ID: <199804211530_MC2-3A96-39FC@compuserve.com>

Hi Left Handed Ones

Arab Strap's new album, Philophobia, has the following names amongst its
guest musicians: Stuart Murdoch (piano), Chris Geddes (Wurlitzer & Hammond
Organ) and Sarah Martin (violin) who play on the second track, Soaps.
(Chris also plays on the first.)

As to the album, its more interesting than the first, but to me a bit
disappointing compared to seeing them live where the addition of a rhythm
section makes for a more meaty sound than just the two boys and the beat
box. Also, somehow I suspect that they didn't pause and think of Sir Cliff
before committing some of the lyrics to paper/CD! 

That sounds more damning than I meant it to be - I like it really!

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 21 17:21:32 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:21:32 +0100
Subject: Sinister: sinister extra-curricular activities
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980420224835.27213A-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>
Message-ID: <COXVcDAMeMP1EwUe@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

>Since SARAH has given me no word as to whether I may join the 
>cheerleading squad, I am starting a new movement.

HAH! TRAITOR! yes i did! i mailed you SATURDAY!!! if not earlier you
PIG! if you can't wait for emails to get to you, then i don't WANT any
traitors to the cheering cause! GO and form your own movemnet then! JUST
REMBER WHO STARTED IT, and......and.........BASTARDS!

>I thought the forwarded horoscopes were hilarious.  Maybe because I got 
>the best of the lot.  I'm a communist Taurus rather than an incestuous, 
>prison bound whatever.  

i'm a bisexual gemini who gets off on incest. woo, guess which one of
those is true!
>
>I'm sure this was discussed before I ever joined the list, but Fox in the 
>Snow is a painting.  By whom, I don't know.  But maybe this topic could 
>stand revival.  I'm sure someone knows.

i don't, but last time i saw a fox in the snow, it was killing chickens
and left them dead in the snow. how come i neevr have NICE fox
experiences?
>
>Where are the rest of the Americans?  Maybe we've been hiding out because 
>we don't understand such terms as "crikey?"

tis kinda like "cor blimey" :)
>
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
calvin -"is it possible to refuse to inherit the world?"
hobbes -"i think if you're born its too late."
                         http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk

                
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From tangent at xxx.net  Tue Apr 21 21:13:12 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:13:12 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Strap Your Cock Around
References: <199804211530_MC2-3A96-39FC@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <353CFDD7.13E61A44@lineone.net>

> As to the album, its more interesting than the first, but to me a bit
> disappointing compared to seeing them live

haven't had the honour of seeing them live yet, but know what you mean
about the sound... there's that Hobbs radio live set where they play 'My
Favourite Muse' into 'Clearing' and it's just so amazing, especially the
guitar lines that go for the sun like Television or something... and
yes, the recorded version of 'muse' is less striking, but then again, i
has a restrained magic about it.  Whatever, i do think that Philophobia
is a great record, and suggest that the B&S album will have to go some
to better it...

Also got mAssive Attack's Mezzanine (not the one Elvis walked up onto i
dare say...) yesterday but feel much less impressed by it... perhaps it
will grow.

the duke

--
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From vlass at xxx.com  Tue Apr 21 21:44:47 1998
From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:44:47 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Re: Sinister extra-currcular activities & toronto picnic?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980421204447.0067a714@mail.interlog.com>

i'm avoiding studying for my caculus midterm....


At 02:36 PM 4/21/98 +0000, you wrote:
>> In the true tradition
>>and spirit of high school, we should all be involved in extra-curricular
>>Sinister activities.  I know GENEVEIVE and I are both photographers, and
>>I think there is someone here who works at a lab, so I nominate us to
>>head the SINISTER PHOTOGRAPHY CLUB.  Those of you with instruments can be
>>the SINISTER MARCHING BAND.  We could also have sports teams and such.
>>Maybe an environmental club also?  And a drama club?  What else?
>>So who's joining what?  Everyone should form their own clubs, and, in true
>>joiner spirit, anyone can join any club.  Yay!
>


okay, so on weekend afternoons we're kept busy by lovely sinister picnics
but what about those lonely friday nights? well, anyone who wants to join
the SINISTER DANCE COMMITEE is welcome to do so! we can organize wonderful
sinister jamborees where list members can act all silly and dance to
electronic renaissance, sleep the clock around, and lazy line painter jane
or get close and romantic to their sinister list crushes during century of
fakers and you made me forget my dreams. and when it's all done you can
write songs about how you stood around akwardly trying to make eye contact
with the person you wanted to dance with but was too afraid to ask. 
oh, i'll bring my wooden flute for the marching band, okay?

ra ra ra,
teri xoxo

p.s - the weather is starting to be consistently nice... maybe we should try
to really organize a toronto-area sinister picnic? i remember elisa had a
great plan for the day and that there were people interested ie, lucas,
christina from buffalo... jessica, you're from toronto, right? oh.. and
genevieve when is your school coming down? hmmm, i'll make brownies!

 



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From janine at xxx.com  Tue Apr 21 22:23:44 1998
From: janine at xxx.com (Janine Papp)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:23:44 -0400
Subject: Sinister: my story/joke
Message-ID: <19980421211523234.AAA64@[208.129.71.11]>

my story/joke
hi everyone,
earlier today I posted what I thought was a nice, amusing story to share
about how I like B&S and am hoping to get a copy of tigermilk from a
friend of mine and how I keep bugging him to give me a copy.  
Well someone on this list forwarded him the email and now he's mad at me
because he thinks he's going to get hundreds of emails asking him for
tigermilk, etc.
I made a JOKE about everyone assaulting him with phone calls or email but
I did NOT identify him - I used only his first name and I didn't say what
city I live in, etc. and I certainly didn't give out his phone or email -
but if you think you know him, and obviously some of you do, make sure
that you just keep it to yourself as a little in joke, please. 

Thanks,
Janine




Mute
140 W. 22nd St. #10-A
New York NY 10011

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From MFKX7HVB at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 21 21:59:58 1998
From: MFKX7HVB at xxx.uk (Henry)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:59:58 gmt0bst
Subject: Sinister: band
Message-ID: <2938CFA6C7D@orpheus.man.ac.uk>

Okay, the sun is a chicken, you win.

flutes and photography are some of my favorite things tra la la,
can I play my tin whistle in the marching band?  unfortunately some 
cunt type friend of mine dipped it in that stuff that you put on your 
fingernails to stop you biting them, it soaked into the wooden 
part, and I can taste that stuff even now when I play it, but hum.
    love to all, Henry.
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From tinystar at xxx.com  Tue Apr 21 23:54:13 1998
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:54:13 -0400
Subject: Sinister: the belle and sebastain series
Message-ID: <v01540b00b162d238aef5@[172.16.1.101]>


>  Any London-based members of the SINISTER PHOTOGRAPHY CLUB?  Maybe we
>should elect officers and such.  So far our members include Jessica from
>Toronto and Elizabeth from the UK.  And me.  And I think Geneveive.  Oh-
>Jessica and Elizabeth!  Just like the Wakefield twins in the popular
>Sweet Valley series...

I thought the Wakefield twins would have been so cool if only they were a
little more twee.  Like, if Jessica would cut her hair short (like mine,
spiky and fuzzy at the same time), and Elizabeth should have had a bob, and
worn Hello, Kitty teeshirts and played an instrument in her room.  And they
should have published their own zine, or something, I seem to recall a
story involving some scandal in the school newspaper.  Oh, if only the
literary Jessica had been a little cooler, more avant garde or something, I
would have been thrilled to share her name.

Everyone on the list should undertake the project of writing at least one
story in the series of 'Belle and Sebastian', which could later be
assembled into a collection.  I'm sure everyone has a slightly different
interpretation of Belle or Sebastian, and their activities and their
relationships and encounters.  We could create a Nancy Drew-ish scandal,
have different people write the books and pass them off as one author.  I'm
sure it would cause quite a stir when the truth came out.  If it came
out...

truly,
jessicaxo

*****************************************************************
Someone had spied on us, I suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the
sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or Coca-Cola but hot milk out of a
thermos.
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From tinystar at xxx.com  Wed Apr 22 00:05:31 1998
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:05:31 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Re: Sinister extra-curricular activities & toronto picnic?
Message-ID: <v01540b01b162d51d5d01@[172.16.1.57]>


>p.s - the weather is starting to be consistently nice... maybe we should try
>to really organize a toronto-area sinister picnic? i remember elisa had a
>great plan for the day and that there were people interested ie, lucas,
>christina from buffalo... jessica, you're from toronto, right? oh.. and
>genevieve when is your school coming down? hmmm, i'll make brownies!


The prospect of a Toronto picnic is thrilling!  I make a mean macaroni and
cheese, who knows where we could meet (not at my house, sadly, because I
live with my mum and she wouldn't be pleased if an army of pop goons
converged on my home and started singing sings and playing
BelleandSebastianopoly), but if there is fun to be had then I will be
there.  Especially if it's of a B+S sort.  And if anyone is inclined to fly
in from wherever they are to join our picnic, do feel free.

truly,
jessicaxo

ps.  Yup, I'm in Toronto...is Genvieve in Montreal?  Who would like a
Toronto picnic?  Post your names so I can psych myself up.

*****************************************************************
Someone had spied on us, I suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the
sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or Coca-Cola but hot milk out of a
thermos.
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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Wed Apr 22 05:04:57 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:04:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sinister: the belle and sebastain series
In-Reply-To: <v01540b00b162d238aef5@[172.16.1.101]>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980421230416.27786A-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>

> 
> I thought the Wakefield twins would have been so cool if only they were a
> little more twee.  Like, if Jessica would cut her hair short (like mine,
> spiky and fuzzy at the same time), and Elizabeth should have had a bob, and
> worn Hello, Kitty teeshirts and played an instrument in her room.  And they
> should have published their own zine, or something, I seem to recall a
> story involving some scandal in the school newspaper.  Oh, if only the
> literary Jessica had been a little cooler, more avant garde or something, I
> would have been thrilled to share her name.


  Elizabeth was the literary one who wrote for the paper.  Jessica was 
the trampy one who liked going to the beach and flirting.
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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Wed Apr 22 05:15:19 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:15:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sinister: sinister extra-curricular activities
In-Reply-To: <COXVcDAMeMP1EwUe@elsato97.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980421231010.29013A-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Sarah wrote:

> >Since SARAH has given me no word as to whether I may join the 
> >cheerleading squad, I am starting a new movement.
> 
> HAH! TRAITOR! yes i did! i mailed you SATURDAY!!! if not earlier you
> PIG! if you can't wait for emails to get to you, then i don't WANT any
> traitors to the cheering cause! GO and form your own movemnet then! JUST
> REMBER WHO STARTED IT, and......and.........BASTARDS!
> 

  I'm so sorry, my dear little Sarah.  i didn't get your message on 
Saturday or ever.  I apologize with all my heart for our 
miscommunication, and i hope that we can still be best friends and that 
you will still have me as a cheerleader.

  I cannot, however, apologize for the creation of the extra-curricular 
activities and the creativity they have spawned.  I can't wait to dance 
with HP at the dance!  heehee!
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From 9607260m at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 22 11:37:56 1998
From: 9607260m at xxx.uk (David S Mccarthy)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:37:56 +0000
Subject: Sinister: unhappy b+s graffiti
Message-ID: <2211F335FEB@lms.student.gla.ac.uk>

Not all b+s graffiti is in their favour, like this 
spotted in the male toilets of Bar Blue by Kelvinbridge underground, 
Glasgow:

What's so belle about Sebastian?

Shocking!

David
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From johnj at xxx.com  Wed Apr 22 11:10:40 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Jackson)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:10:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: about Air/Etienne De Crecy
Message-ID: <353DC220.B3D@seahouses.u-net.com>

Oi!

I'm still at home today for I cannot get to work,
my car is at the Doctors with lack of rear brakes. 
Shattered drums, as Johnny Hates Jazz may have sung once.

Anyway I wanted to know if anyone on this list had heard
the Etienne de Crecy mix of Air's Sexy Boy...it is just
beautiful....spine tingling etc sonic cathedrals and so on.

Can someone recommend me a starting place for Mr de Crecy?
It seems I'm going to like his stuff as he wrote most of the
tracks on Premiers Symptomes with Air....

Thankyou all

JJ
xx

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From Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 22 11:58:58 1998
From: Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk (Huw Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:58:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sunshine
Message-ID: <61D51AF2F749D11196EA00805F387D44034F7F@RMF1>

What a Beautiful day.  Far too good to be sitting in some dreary office
watching the glorious sunlight from the window.  No, I want to be in a
park taking dogs for a walk, playing with frisbies and footballs, and
drinking fine bottled cold French larger.  Life is so unfair in the
working world and it's times like this that I wish I was still a student
so that I could just take the afternoon off and doss and listen to Belle
& Sebastian whilst the Sun burns my skin.  If it's gong to be a day like
this when picnic time comes I'll defiantly make the effort to be
there(London).
Huw
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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 22 12:44:41 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:44:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: still lazy, after all these years
Message-ID: <353DD829.A5B82BAD@easynet.co.uk>

Hyup,

HUNG OVER, HUNG OVER. Morning after the (boom boom) sixties.

Ravenscourt Park beckons. I'd be a total twat if I didn't put the
following URL in the sinister domain.

 http://home.earthlink.net/~doubters/buckner-frame.html

Your man's a feckin' star. I'm taking my mates tape player and a fuck
off pair of earphones t't'park. It'll all end in tears.


regards,

yerluvinuncleTurt

ps. jumpers for girl posts


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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 22 15:13:03 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:13:03 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sweet Valley Twins.....Eeeurck!
Message-ID: <0CD7A823B7CFD111892600A0C943E5AB0DF7@kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk>

Someone wrote:
> >Jessica and Elizabeth!  Just like the Wakefield twins in the popular
> >Sweet Valley series...
> 
Tinystar wrote:
> I thought the Wakefield twins would have been so cool if only they were a
> little more twee.  Like, if Jessica would cut her hair short (like mine,
> spiky and fuzzy at the same time), and Elizabeth should have had a bob,
> and
> worn Hello, Kitty teeshirts and played an instrument in her room.
> 
Well I do the instrument thing OK, but as for the bob, I've _done_ that:
when I was 10, and it suited me not one bit.

> Oh, if only the
> literary Jessica had been a little cooler, more avant garde or something,
> I
> would have been thrilled to share her name.
> 
So is Elizabeth the bitch-queen one?  Oh _great_, I get to be the cow of the
show...

Also: I too have a tin whistle (about 5, actually, for the different keys
they're in, you see), but no-one has soaked my nice Clark wooden-fipple one
in nail-no-bitey stuff, thank assorted deities!  Penny whistles rule!  Who's
for a mass performance of the Skye Boat Song?  Starting on D...

            Au revoir,
                         Liz.
                         (edaplynr3n00297 at kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk)

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The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

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From honey at xxx.net  Wed Apr 22 15:33:27 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:33:27 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Number 52, Festive Road
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980422150344.24364M-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>

My dear friends/lovers, a few quick things:

1. Keith referred to a Word 97 document of all bits off the WWW he's
pulled together for bedtime reading - it's at 

	http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/#keithsdoc

please note it's 1.6MB (big) and for Microsoft Word 97 ONLY, so if
you don't have that version of Word don't download it please.
Really, please, because I don't want my server to end up in the bin.
Someone ask Keith what he does on beaches.

Crikey.

2. Sorry to Andrew Dean for messing up a forward of a mail from him
to the list - the one about the Candy Factory interview - it really
*was* from him and not some shady owner-sinister, but it's really too
dull to tell you why it messed up.  Andrew - I'll make those changes
to the FAQ in a min.  (By the way if anyone's says rude words to
Andrew in the next month they'll get the entire 9 months list archive
mailed to them translated in morse code - Andrew sent me a CD
yesterday I've been looking for for ages - Earwig - and I don't know
why noone else gets excited by it, but then I'm old).

Yikes.

3. Crushes on people on the list?  God I've been through a hundred -
I currently have wild fantasies about anyone whose name contains the
letter "S".  And I don't like any vegetables that start with the
letter "A".  Fact.

Stone the crows and cripes, Carruthers.

Tally ho,
Honey xxx

P.S. Anyone's who's asking me questions about the list, for help, etc
etc please be patient - I'm currently in blue-arsed-fly mode.

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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Wed Apr 22 16:14:27 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:14:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: london picnic
Message-ID: <353E0953.F06F91EE@virgin.net>

rory mackie has informed me of an addition to the london picnic, namely
in the form of a croquet set! so can we now pretend to be civilised?

other late additions to things include origami in the form of fortune
tellers for a certain london-based social thing starting soon, more news
to follow.

david

http://www.myspace.co.uk/bluesoda/picnics.htm
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From 106226.554 at xxx.com  Wed Apr 22 16:40:00 1998
From: 106226.554 at xxx.com (graham thomson)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:40:00 -0400
Subject: Sinister: band
Message-ID: <199804221140_MC2-3AAC-C53F@compuserve.com>

Message text written by "Henry"
>can I play my tin whistle in the marching band?<

Hay, I play trombone, I could be in a marching band with you, we could be
the Sinister Band

John
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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Wed Apr 22 22:11:50 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:11:50 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: Amphetameanies
References: <3.0.2.32.19980422210056.0079e8d0@mail.force9.net>
Message-ID: <353E5D16.677BD2C4@virgin.net>

which is another band that mick cooke plays for, so if anyone wants to
see them and live near norwich or bradford, here are the details.

> Amphetameanies gigs this weekend:
> 
> Friday 24th April:      Bradford - 'One In Twelve Club'
>                                 The Amphetameanies + ska DJs
>                                 Doors 9.30pm - close 1.00pm
> 
> Saturday 25th April:    Norwich - 'Fat Polly's'
>                                 The Amphetameanies + The Steptones
>                                 Doors 8.30pm - close midnight
> 
> Also, here's some words from our 'Head Meanie', Gordon:
> 
> AMPHETAMEANIES RECORD IN THE SHOPS SOON
> The Amphetameanies first 7" vinyl single is scheduled for release on Monday
> June 15 - and will be a double A-side spectacular featuring two extremely
> kickin' live favourites, "Mo'Ska" and "Tales of the Arizona Highway Patrol".
> Produced by internationally acclaimed knob-twiddler, Hubby Hubbert
> (previous production credits include Ganger, Lungleg, The Karelia, El
> Hombre Trajeado and Thermaderm), the single will be on the immensely cool
> F&J record label (previous releases from Mogwai, The Newtown Grunts, Eska,
> El Hombre Trajeado and Pink Kross).
> 
> If you want a copy, it will be distributed around the UK's vinyl stockists
> by SRD distribution after June 15.
> Or you can get one mail order by sending a cheque or postal order, made out
> for £3.00, to Sandy Black, the helpful mail order chap, at:
> 
>                         F&J Records,
>                         PO Box 16704,
>                         Glasgow,
>                         G12 9WQ
> 
> The 'meanies have also recorded a track for release number 10 in the
> prestigious 'Club Beatroot' single series, which should be out later in the
> summer.
> 
> PS- 'Meanies website nearly finished. Details to follow!

cheers, david
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From plaird at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 23 02:50:25 1998
From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 01:50:25 +0000
Subject: Sinister: more unhappy b+s graffiti
Message-ID: <199804230148.CAA22007@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk>

Hello Peeps,

Did anyone see the Vid for Century of Fakers on MTVs Alternative
Nation Tues night? Personally I hadn't seen it before - bit of a
snogfest near the end eh?
Katrina never said there would be another 'Scottish' section on the
show (which also had Teenage Fanclub, The Delgados and a strange short
film from the much hyped Toaster) so it came as a bit of a surprise
and I couldn't tape it in time (boo-hoo). 

David S Mccarthy remarked:
>Not all b+s graffiti is in their favour, like this 
>spotted in the male toilets of Bar Blue by Kelvinbridge underground, 
>Glasgow:
>
>What's so belle about Sebastian?

Somebody scrawled something on the white walls of The Egg last
Saturday, and it wasn't nice either, along the lines of "why all
the hype around the shit B&S". I was tempted to reply flame-style but
scrubbed the offending words to oblivion instead - it didn't warrant
a reply. 
I've always thought a white-walled club was a bad idea :o).

Hey it's late again,

Cheerio.
The Laird of East Fountainbridge.


"An Egg is good for you" - THE EGG Marketing Board

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From parachute at xxx.net  Thu Apr 23 07:44:27 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (bradford)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:44:27 -0700
Subject: Sinister: a multitude of responses,
References: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980420224835.27213A-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>
Message-ID: <353EE33C.524D@earthlink.net>

Schaffenberger wrote:
> 
> I hereby declare that BRADFORD is the funniest person on this list.   

dear dear girl. i know tag has been away for a while, but he IS still
alive and kicking. how soon we forget our loved ones. three hail marys
for you. 

i want to join this cheerleading squad. i've already told you of my
desire for sucking cock, but i'm also a good jumper. i can jump real
high and land effortlessly, like a cat.
HEY HEY
IT'A HOT IN HERE
IT MUST BE BELLE AND SEBASTIAN 
IN THE ATMOSPHERE



R  O  W  D  I  E
THAT'S THE WAY WE SPELL ROWDIE
ROWDIE
HEY HEY
ROWDIE
GET ROWDIE

see.

i too have a listmember crush. i've been admiring myself quite a lot
lately....long sideways glances in the mirror....laughing at everything
i say....touching myself in these funny little ways making me go "hmmm,
i wonder what that was all about?".
and in the shower, well, you know what they say....stroke it more than
twice and you're no longer "washing" it.
 
oh, and i want to join the marching band, too. i'll play the triangle.
DING!

oh well, i'm off to suck on a huge dick....cheerleader style.

-brad

"the sun's....well....it's chicken"
   -brad

oh, and here's some news i got from some other list that a lot of you
will be interested in.

<< Stephinsongs is a mailing list for the discussion of the music of
 Stephin Merritt and the bands he is involved with - the Magnetic
Fields, the
 6ths, the Gothic Archies, and Future Bible Heroes.
 
 To subscribe to stephinsongs, send mail to majordomo at wiw.org with the
 following in the message body:
         subscribe stephinsongs
 
 There is also a digest version, to which you may subscribe by sending
 mail to majordomo at wiw.org with the following in the message body:
         subscribe stephinsongs-digest
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From tinystar at xxx.com  Thu Apr 23 03:21:38 1998
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:21:38 -0400
Subject: Sinister: thanks billions for marriage help
Message-ID: <v01540b00b16455965436@[172.16.1.119]>

Hello,

I just wanted to extend a massive thanks to those of you who took the time
to answer the questions I had on marriage.  Thanks to you, a fairly
attractive mark was mine, and hopefully so will be a spot at university
next year.  I may have to call on your help again, but you can rest easy
for now.  Thanks again, you were most helpful.

truly,
jessica

*****************************************************************
Someone had spied on us, I suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the
sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or Coca-Cola but hot milk out of a
thermos.
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t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m 


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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Thu Apr 23 03:14:37 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:14:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sinister: a multitude of responses, 
In-Reply-To: <353EE33C.524D@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980422210759.4645A-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>

On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, bradford wrote:

> Schaffenberger wrote:
> > 
> > I hereby declare that BRADFORD is the funniest person on this list.   
> 
> dear dear girl. i know tag has been away for a while, but he IS still
> alive and kicking. how soon we forget our loved ones. three hail marys
> for you. 

OK, OK, I retract that statement.  BRADFORD is the least funniest most 
terrible, obnoxious, awful, evil listee ever.  (Or maybe it's opposite 
day!)  

I've already been on the Stephinsongs list for two entire days.  It is 
very quiet and if everyone there was at a party, we'd all mumble 
uselessly and hover over the snacks and then rip our paper napkins to 
shreds with our sweaty palms.  Here, on the other hand, we'd all be 
delightfully drunken amd laughing and dancing and smooching our crushes 
and our friends and swimming in a big outdoor pool and eating pineapple 
and having drinks with umbrellas in them...  Oh wait, I already said 
drinking.  

It's my happy birthday tomorrow, the 23rd.  I will be twenty years old.  
tonight, as the hour strikes midnight, I will dream about a big Sinister 
Luau with the band playing tin whistles and flutes and triangles and the 
photography club taking photos of everyone in their swimsuits and the 
cheerleaders jumping about happily.

-Kristen    
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From GLBurch at xxx.com  Thu Apr 23 05:10:54 1998
From: GLBurch at xxx.com (GLBurch)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:10:54 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Accepting donations!!!!
Message-ID: <ab2a76e1.353ebf50@aol.com>

Well,

  Since Kristen has started the whole group activities thing, I would like to
start taking donations for the malnurished Brit. Indie Rockers.  Let's face
it, Jonny Greenwood has to eat; so does Jarvis, and Alex (of BLUR).  This
whole Mick Jagger thing has been taken a bit too far.  Also, why the fuck must
the Frank and Walters continue putting material out?  Well, as long as their
faces don't grace the cover of NME, I'm fine with it.

  Seriously, if anyone wants to join a film of the week club, I'd be more than
happy to sponsor it.  Everyone on the list seems to have a refined taste when
it comes to the cinema.  Let's make this weeks film, MY LIFE TO LIVE by Jean
Luc Goddard.  Plus, if anyone has seen a copy of the film, FREAK ORLANDO (all
you Suede fans know what I'm talking about) please send me info. on where I
might obtaina copy, or send a review.

Sleep well all......      BILL  :-)
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From MFKX7HVB at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 23 07:51:04 1998
From: MFKX7HVB at xxx.uk (Henry)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:51:04 gmt0bst
Subject: Sinister: to fag makers everywhere!
Message-ID: <13ED4B1D3C@orpheus.man.ac.uk>

Morning all,
    I came across a lovely idea yesterday;  why don't cigarette 
manufacturers put seeds in cigarette filters so that when they are 
casually thrown away flowers could grow from them?
    I'm sure this type of cigarette would sell well...
        Love Henry
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From mctag at xxx.com  Thu Apr 23 11:21:08 1998
From: mctag at xxx.com (Tag)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:21:08 GMT
Subject: Sinister: we are the mods, we are the mods, we are, we are. we are the mods
Message-ID: <353f157b.8451584@email.mcmail.com>

Hello Playmates,

This is a note to do some plugging for a friend.  I like to "plug" my
friends, but that's another story.  Whatever.

On May 2nd (next Saturday, for the hard of thinking) at London's
celebrated Blow Up at the Wag, Soho there will be two Finnish groups
playing - Hanoi Rocks and no... err the Elevators and Super.  I hven't
really heard the elevators but Super are.  They are in a Cardigans/St
Et/Stereolab styleee, singer Minna is a bouncy lovable stage presence,
drummer Ville lost marginally to me in a King of the Sauna competition
last year, and you should go, because I said so.

On a Scandinavian tip (as ever), I have a hearty Tag recommendation
for Robot, whose LP has been in strict rotation with "Mezzanine"
(Keith, you're right, what was I thinking of, it rules) and Stereo
Total's sexy new LP since my return.  It's called "Automagic"and it's
got pop songs on it.  Not wussy "I saw a girl once and she was nice,
but I've got spots so I'm fucked" alleged pop songs, but good ones.
Lots of analogue synths playing catchy tunes with lyrics penned by a
nutter, like the Silicon Teens (he said, sounding old), only better.
One of their songs goes "I wish I could buy the pimples on your back
and have them on a snack", which is tres romantic if you're a pervert.
Happily I am.  They're from Gothenburg, you know.  Which is in Sweden.

Nice to see Madame Cholet (bloody stupid cutie name), talking to
Stephen Pastel.  How much more shameless name dropping would you like
to do, Beth?  But what can you expect from someone who used be in a
band named after a team once managed by Alex "there's been another
murrderr" Ferguson?

Finally, having read about the Jasmine Minks looking like Secret
Affair, I look forward immensely to reading the Duke's new novel, "Zen
and the Art of Lambretta maintenance".  Off to Brighton for the Bank
Holiday, are you Duke?  Keith is a rocker, and he says he'll kick your
butt.

Leave me alone, you're all weird.

Tag x
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From cja1000 at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 23 12:17:13 1998
From: cja1000 at xxx.uk (Chris)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:17:13 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Accepting donations!!!!
In-Reply-To: <ab2a76e1.353ebf50@aol.com>
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> Let's make this weeks film, MY LIFE TO LIVE by Jean Luc Goddard.

Surely that should be Jean Luc Picard.

C. :)

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Apr 23 13:25:53 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:25:53 +0200
Subject: Sinister: ...A Shopkeeper Appeared.
Message-ID: <01bd6eb2$f55a1ec0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>



Mitchell Mitchell wrote:

>Someone ask Keith what he does on beaches.

All right, what do you do on beaches, Keith? You foul pervert.

- the one about the Candy Factory interview -

I noticed that Murdoch said he liked hearing about people's problems in that
interview - I've already sent off a fair few, why don't you all do the same?
I mean, everyone's got problems, but not everyone wants to know about them,
so it's best to make hay while the snow shines, I think. What's that e-mail
address again?

Apologies form me as well to anyone who might be waiting for an answer to
anything from me, or anything else for that matter, I'm not deliberately
being rude, I'm in blue fly arse mode as well. And fed up of it too. Not
that many people are waitng for replies, I'm not as popular as Paul. In
fact, eagle-eyed viewers will have noticed that I now only answer messages
to the list from Paul. This is the e-mail equivalent of following somebody
around until it really gets on their tit-end.

Have a lovely afternoon everyone,

Peter

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From aevans at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 23 13:47:56 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:47:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Trade Waste Disposal Charges
Message-ID: <01BD6EBE.6CBE62E0@pc07628>

Huw Jenkins wrote :

>What a Beautiful day.  Far too good to be sitting in some dreary office
>watching the glorious sunlight from the window.  No, I want to be in a
>park taking dogs for a walk, playing with frisbies and footballs, and
>drinking fine bottled cold French larger.  Life is so unfair in the
>working world and it's times like this that I wish I was still a student
>so that I could just take the afternoon off and doss and listen to Belle
>& Sebastian whilst the Sun burns my skin.  If it's gong to be a day like
>this when picnic time comes I'll defiantly make the effort to be
>there(London).

Glad you all got time to be spending looking out windows admiring the weather.  I can only assuming it's been pissing down here in Exeter for the past few days as I keep turning up at work drenched.  Either that or the bridges is out over the river...not so's I'd notice or anything.

God i feel so sorry for myself.

See on Radio 1 this morn that they were asking why we English never celebrate St Georges Day.  Like you can show any respect to someone who claims to have slayed dragons and shit.  Guy was clearly a loser - hocus pocus nonsense.

I am having a bad one.

Someone post something funny...I need cheering up.

St Adrian.

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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Thu Apr 23 15:25:51 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:25:51 +0100
Subject: Sinister: voting thing at the fanclub site
Message-ID: <353F4F6F.1DD8C4E3@virgin.net>

we've just passed 300 subscribers to the voting booth, and in light of
that i am prepared to add 5 questions of your choosing.

if you want to nominate a question then just let me know, it must be a
question that the answer can be marked on a 0-10 scale.

so, instead of "do you reckon belle and sebastain will ever release
tigermilk?" the questions will be listed like;

"on a scale of 0-10 (ten being highest),

how likely do you think it is that belle and sebastian will re-release
tigermilk?"

get the idea?

david k

PS: no-one has sent in anything to colour i, so it looks as if the
international colouring competition will be called off before it starts!

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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Thu Apr 23 16:13:16 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:13:16 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: Feedback from the website
References: <199804231458.PAA03390@mushroom.totalweb.net.uk>
Message-ID: <353F5A8C.910F46EF@virgin.net>

i've just received this mail, i hope that someone in spain can bring a
smile to carolina's face,

thanks

david k

-=-

Carolina Menendez wrote:
> 
> Comment: Perhaps some fans of the band we'll read this. I'll be very
> pleased if they send me an e-mail. I live in Barcelona (Spain), but 
> I'm from Asturias  (in the north of the country). I feel a bit alone.
> 
> One of the most amazing things that have happen me in here was the 
> gig of Belle and Sebastian in Barcelona last september. Well, that's
> all, I hope to know more about you (whatever you are if you like the
> band) and, of course, of Belle and Sebastian. Bye

so if you're in spain, or just want another person to chat to, mail her
and let her know she's not alone.

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From suzsch at xxx.net  Thu Apr 23 17:05:02 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:05:02 -0500
Subject: Sinister: sinister:  Dear Oprah
Message-ID: <199804231604.LAA16629@smtp2.mailsrvcs.net>


If there is a tour, please, for the love of God, come through Austin.  Your
services are required in lifting special underpriviledged children such as
myself out of the humdrums.  I'm writing on behalf of my friend, erm, Jean.
 Jean is a girl who has money, but yet, she can't spend it to help support
the live music scene as much as she would like.  At the college radio
station benefit the other night, she sat and watched how nobody was getting
into the shitty bands that took the stage one right after another.  These
were punk bands that were supposed to stir your soul, instead, people stood
and watched them bleakly as they waited for the alcohol to take effect. 
She is left to waste her money on clothes, movies, and an occasional CD. 
Her parents are quite concerned for her well being and think that she needs
an excuse to dress sluttier and have an actual chance of getting a date. 
This is a girl of failing hope.  Every week, she reads the local listings
only to have her hopes lowered further and further that no one worthwhile
will come to her area and cheer her up, but I have to watch as she quietly
folds the paper and says "oh well.  What's this Barney movie about?"  Don't
you see?  She is actually considering Barney movies.  The purple dinosaur
that teaches you manners.  We don't want this for our loved ones.  We want
these people, who constantly pester us with their trivialities to get out
of the house and out of our hair (even if it is temporary).  I call on you,
Belle and Sebastian, to get it on down here and rock this mutha out!

Thank you,

Suzanne
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From barzy at xxx.com  Thu Apr 23 18:25:07 1998
From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:25:07 -0800
Subject: Sinister: we are the mods, we are the mods, we are, we are. we are the mods
Message-ID: <v01540b02b16529b423ec@[207.48.25.57]>


>
>This is a note to do some plugging for a friend.  I like to "plug" my
>friends, but that's another story.  Whatever.

>Nice to see Madame Cholet (bloody stupid cutie name), talking to
>Stephen Pastel.  How much more shameless name dropping would you like
>to do, Beth?  But what can you expect from someone who used be in a
>band named after a team once managed by Alex "there's been another
>murrderr" Ferguson?


OH BRUTHER.....Perhpaps you misread, senor doorstop....I think I said *I*
*plugged* Stephen Pastel......and yes....it's much without shame...as I
have none. So there....you wanna know who I rubbed elbows with LAST
weekend? I bet you do you bloody thick lug. I'll be having lunch with Alex
Ferguson next week...i'll give him a kiss from you....and a hug for Aitken.
>From you nancy boy.....Viva la revolucion...go back to Sweden....

Oh on the B&S tip...i'm chuffed to see more and more LA listies coming out
of the woodwork...I guess all those flyers I gave Melrose Larry worked.

cheers,

beth redfinal














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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Thu Apr 23 19:25:02 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:25:02 -0400
Subject: Sinister: she's losing it
Message-ID: <199804231425_MC2-3AD6-F97A@compuserve.com>

Message text written by GLBurch
>I would like to
start taking donations for the malnurished Brit. Indie Rockers.  Let's face
it, Jonny Greenwood has to eat; so does Jarvis, and Alex (of BLUR).<

awww, but thats how i like 'em...

fantasy band line up:

Vocals: shirley manson/ ian curtis

Guitars: jonny greenwood, bernard butler, richey edwards (obviously not
bothered if richey doesn't actually play, so long as he pouts and insults
people of lesser intelligence...)

Bass: nicky wire

Drums: simon gilbert (have never really cared much about drummers, always
end up with about 10 guitarists, though, but as long as they're loud & hard
& fast like on 'Suede' that's fine by me...)

oh, *please* someone post someone to cheer me up. i've just spent the last
three hours redoing a 50 line poem only for my bastard computer to lose it
completely. oh gawd and i can't remember half of what was written. and its
got to be in first thing tomorrow or i'll fail. and now i'm going to die
<sobs> help.

love,
debbie.
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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Thu Apr 23 16:09:25 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:09:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: PICNICS
Message-ID: <353F59A5.E3FEBBAF@virgin.net>

some people have mentioned in various ways that they were unsure that
they were allowed to attend or didn't feel that they would fit in, so:

EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION IS INVITED TO THE PICNICS

you don't have to be part of some mythical "in" crowd, you are allowed
to bring friends, you don't have to be b&s obsessed (just liking them is
enough), it doesn't matter what age you are, or what clothes you wear.

the only restriction is if it rains, as all the picnics will most likely
end up in a bar, and obviously local licensing laws apply.

but please, don't feel that the invitation isn't extended to you simply
because you don't mail as often as Tag or Keith :)

so for you who were hesitant and said no before you'd thought about
saying yes, attached is the web page with all the details on it.

and i hope to hear that all the picnics were succesfull in numbers as
well as atmosphere (the latter being almost guaranteed given the likes
of most of the people i know are already attending them).

thanks

david kitchen

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From adriano_r at xxx.com  Thu Apr 23 19:37:23 1998
From: adriano_r at xxx.com (Adriano Ribeiro)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:37:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: EPs Comp
Message-ID: <19980423183723.27046.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com>

Can anyone tell me when is the EP compilation definitely going to be
released?

I'm sorry if that's already been discussed, I've just joined this list.

Adriano
Southern State Tapestry
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/venue/6276
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From tangent at xxx.net  Thu Apr 23 17:31:03 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:31:03 +0100
Subject: Sinister: we are the mods, we are the mods, we are, we are. we are the mods
References: <353f157b.8451584@email.mcmail.com>
Message-ID: <353F6CC7.88394742@lineone.net>

> Finally, having read about the Jasmine Minks looking like Secret
> Affair, I look forward immensely to reading the Duke's new novel, "Zen
>
> and the Art of Lambretta maintenance".

so who's been leaking? i don't mean as in the douglas coupland
obsession... anyone notice they cropped up in Shampoo Planet as well?
And despite the title i thought his latest was a great read... i said it
before, i'll say it again: Douglas Coupland is a great fanzine writer.
And actually my new novel is called The State I Am In and it's about a
loser lonely old bloke who finds himself in a 16 year old trendy popular
kid's bod. Fuck, imagine it, one minute you are a Belle and Sebastian
and Jasmine Minks fan trapped in your middle thirties crisis of identity
and the next... you're wearing kappa, you've slicked yer hair back and
your mates are off to a happy hardcore rave. and yes they still actually
say 'rave'.  ha ha ha.

>  Off to Brighton for the Bank
> Holiday, are you Duke?

way too trendy for me. i'll be suffering post-OFSTED party hangover
blues in my garret room, writing articles about the state of the
nations' apathetic youth for the Modern Review.

>  Keith is a rocker, and he says he'll kick your
> butt.

keith can do anything he wants to my butt, any time ;-)

the dukester


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From sarah at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 23 20:16:02 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:16:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: we are the mods etc blah blah
Message-ID: <dboCpwAyN5P1EwnQ@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

duek wrote:
<<i'll be suffering post-OFSTED party hangover blues in my garret room,
writing articles about the state of the nations' apathetic youth for the
Modern Review.>>

and i'll kick his arse from here to eternity if he makes references to
apathetic youth again. i'll just say YOU older ones are the ones with
any power, and what the fuck are you doing? surviving i'm sure you'll
reply smugly, what else can we do, with a shrug of the shoulders. and
you lot can get lost as well, *i* have to survive as well you know, i
know, no bills, no responsibilities, its easy for ME to say to fight.
and i have done. and its an ffort for me too. so FUCK you everyone who
leaves it to youth to fight anything, you should be out there TOO.

no wonder most kids i know are apatheitc. they keep getting labelled it
EVERY DAY. what do you expect.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
" fotherington thomas who does lark around saying hello trees hello flowers. he 
is a wet and a weed and i shun him utterly"
                         http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk

                
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From blink at xxx.net  Thu Apr 23 22:48:56 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:48:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: tigermilk and sex and death
Message-ID: <199804232148.RAA02730@Vector.inexpress.net>

hello!
B&S are finding ways to be my dreams all the time now...i had a tigermilkd
dream..it simply was I went to a library and I'm like 'you got tigermilk?'
and they sold it to me for 50 dollares.Mine was special copy,it had all
little post-it notes written by Stuart Murdoch on it..and then the rest of
the dream just got weird so i won't go into that..
and LAST night,my dream i was sitting in a swamp,and for some reason these 2
guys were sitting behind me (one being the stu-d like boy) and i was
watching the swamp and suddenly just said,to myself 'that reminds me of when
my dad used to race the truck underwater,for fun' and Stu D-like boy (only
in my dreams it didn't look like who i knew..he was like 10 time lovlier)
starts laughing,he thought it was funny in that 'oh you're so crazy!' way i
guess and suddenly he's like 'oh you mean like belle and sebastian' and the
way he said it,it was so NICE to hear it..i remember hearing it,reality as
well (not just dream land) and i'm like 'Oh god,say that AGAIN!' 'Belle and
Sebastian' 'Again!'
 dr minka i need help!!
 Stuart Murdoch and me should trade places,he likes riding buses for a
hobby? That's half my day,it takes almost an hour jsut to get to school...
 oh B&S moment stuff cont..most o the gurls have got Leo DiCap on their
lockers right..i've got a picture of Stuart (and also picture of Danny
Sullivan:race car driver)and my boyfriend says you just can't deny stuarts
appeal,he kept trying to kiss stuarts picture and other  naughty
things...but he only admit it around me...but just you wait,the magic will
work on the others...

i got to measure a builiding today! it was all trig stuff,and we gogt to use
metersticks,so fun,with a meterstick you have so much power,you can just
smack people...and i was also wearing my big shoes so with the power already
aquired from meterstick,i was also tall...look out Stuart G!

oh yeah
genevieve xoxo

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From blink at xxx.net  Thu Apr 23 22:49:05 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:49:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: a lot of...stuff
Message-ID: <199804232149.RAA02735@Vector.inexpress.net>

Dear puddin pies,
  ho hum,another mail from me...i cannot...stop...writing...help.... any og
You woulnd't happen to know about covalent and ions bonfing would you? *sigh*
 cos i don't...
>  Any London-based members of the SINISTER PHOTOGRAPHY CLUB?  Maybe we 
>should elect officers and such.  So far our members include Jessica from 
>Toronto and Elizabeth from the UK.  And me.  And I think Geneveive.  Oh- 
>Jessica and Elizabeth!  Just like the Wakefield twins in the popular 
>Sweet Valley series...  
>
>  -Kristen

Oh i will gladly bee on your photography club! I am starting to like being
in the dark room now..alone..i can turn up Oldies 1310 and dance
around...such freedom..
But can I be a Sinister portratit-personne as well? Because I love drawing
people..and I would adore to draw all of you..(you don't have to be naked or
anything don't worry)..because i am not in fine arts anymore cos they
wouldn't let me draw people,it was all pointellism and clay rabbitts.SO i
chose Media instead....which i love anyways...92% on my claymation Belle and
Sebastian! And i have a new project..a slide presentation,we need to use
music and build the slides around it..looks like i will be doing Belle And
Sebastian yet again! There's jsut too many ideas for this one..so many good
ones... Sweet Valley series!!...was I the only girl who read 'The Saddle
Club'?? i think so...damn...

>teri xoxo
 oh.. and
>genevieve when is your school coming down? hmmm, i'll make brownies!

I am going on the 29th...I don't know Toronto..so i cannot say,where it is
exactly but I DO know that the eaton centre is just down the street.The
Quality hotel i think...but NO swimming pool...i was very looking forawrd to
that..but at LEAST i don't have to share a room with Googly Googly Boy he is
the cause of the eternal shudder...oh and is there any places near that area
I should go to? (to ESCPAE the googly one??)I have limited free
time..pooey..i think she should be able to go where we please...and we are
supposed to be in rooms at midnight..and if i go to bed too late,i will not
get up in the morning...so DING! lightbaulb(does a lighbulb make a
ding?)anyways..I simply will NOT sleep! Although..the teacher said there
will be a security guard outside MY door....but I can say I'm going to get
some ice,yes..some ice....so anyways,is Toronto safe to wander around at night?

>truly,
>jessicaxo
>
>ps.  Yup, I'm in Toronto...is Genvieve in Montreal?  Who would like a
>Toronto picnic?  Post your names so I can psych myself up.

ooh..no,not Montreal.I live..well,you won't find it on the map..umm..the
government lists my home as La Peche i think..do the Gatineau Hills mean
anything to anybody?My village isn't that small... Hey...I mean it's good
enough for Hollywood...they think the scenery around here is beautiful so
they are shooting a Pierce (rrrroww!) Brosnan movie here.. 

ok,now i have to say something to stop any worries inside my head.
I sent money for my t-shirt (and badge!!)...and I put it inside a cassette
tape...so it wouldn't rattle around and the postal man wouldn't take
it.So..whoever handles the merchandise,please don't think I'm sending you a
tape of me warbling in tune with my cat..it actually has purpose

....oh and another thing,see i don't have a mailbox so i mail things at
school...to do this i have to go to the little depanneur (the shit shack)
and there is a mean Bouncer Man who works there.He stands outside the door
to his stupide little store,arms crossed over like it's some exclusive
club.And he made me leave my bag with him...anyways,i have strong disliking
for him..and because he knows that,he doesn't like me not liking him...(and
maybe he doens't like me calling his store the shit shack..i dunno) so I
bought some clearly canadian once and marvelled over how refreshing it
was,then he ordred in a WHOLE carton of it for me...and i didn't want it,so
he threw me into a ummm...choke hold.He is grimy.And he won't let me put the
stamps on myself,instead he takes them,and i guess he's trying to be
seductive? He takes the stamps and he licks them very slowy and it's all
quite disgusting..and he put this thing on it,and i didn't know what to say
so I'm like 'duhhh....it's a gift' 'worth??' barks Dirty Bouncer Man and i
just said 8 dollars..it's a nice round number! So although it says 'gift' i
assure you....it's actually for my t-shirt...honest!!
 
Oh and since we are getting all extra activity (and although i'm in the
Sinister Photography Club,the rest sound like experts..I just started this
year!) So I think there should be a drama section,i've got an idea that
could work nicely
Dancing Elf Boy Lost In Woods
scene 1...
 (camera fades in...we see Stuart M and Stuart D lying in the grass eating
strawberries and cream)
Stu D:Do you ever think about pish?
Stu M: (pause) yes...but I really wonder about....the clouds..and if there
are angels.
Stu D: Oh...whatever...pish..
(they bite into the strawberries,a butterfly lands on stuart murdochs
porcelaine ankle...camera zooms in..for...effect,yes that's it...effect)
Stu D:I think about things,pish!
Stu M: I also thing about (hesitant) things...
Stu D: Pish.Like what?
Stu M: (takes a deep breath) well,like...(pushes his beautiful locks off his
delicate forehead...the camera zooms in..again,just for effect)
(suddenly a figure emerges from the forest,it is Aidan Strap,with a slab of
beef on a fork)
Aidan: burp burp burp
(stuart hides face in hands,stu d rolls over on stomach and chews
thoughtfully on blade of grass)
Aidan: Do you guys want some beef?
Stu D: Oh this is pish.
Stu M: (dishevelled hair,visibly upset..runs away frightened leaving Stu
wondering why he can't digest the grass and Aidan making a song by blowing
into a jug)
SCENE 2
(stuart m caught in a rainstorm,stumbles upon a little blue house in a town
called Upert,where a person..oh lets call her..hmm,oh where G-Funk lives)
Stu: (knocks timidly on door) Hello?
(thunder crashes,door creaks open)
G: Well,well what's cookin',good lookin'?
S: Please..please..help me,i'm cold and wet and there are wolves.
G:Well come on in.
S: I'm so sorry to intru-
G:Shhh...it's alright,don't talk,here (hands him drink)
S:Than- hey,did you put something in here?
G: Heavens no...why would you (laughs uneasily) think that?
S: Are you trying to sedate me? 
 and this could all be done with shadows and veneitan blinds and smoke...it
could be so art-y! Really! Hello? dohhhhhhh....

ok!
xoxo Genevieve

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From vlass at xxx.com  Fri Apr 24 00:57:14 1998
From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:57:14 -0400
Subject: Sinister: toronto picnic or something similar?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980423235714.006958ac@mail.interlog.com>

hello!
everyone else is planning their picnics, so why can't we?

genevieve told us:
>I am going on the 29th...I don't know Toronto..so i cannot say,where it is
>exactly but I DO know that the eaton centre is just down the street.The
>Quality hotel i think...but NO swimming pool...i was very looking forawrd to
>that..but at LEAST i don't have to share a room with Googly Googly Boy he is
>the cause of the eternal shudder...oh and is there any places near that area
>I should go to? (to ESCPAE the googly one??)I have limited free
>time..pooey..i think she should be able to go where we please...and we are
>supposed to be in rooms at midnight..and if i go to bed too late,i will not
>get up in the morning...so DING! lightbaulb(does a lighbulb make a
>ding?)anyways..I simply will NOT sleep! Although..the teacher said there
>will be a security guard outside MY door....but I can say I'm going to get
>some ice,yes..some ice....so anyways,is Toronto safe to wander around at night?

errr, my mother gets scared if i wander around toronto at night.. i'm just
naive and believe that nothing will ever get me because i'm invincible but
it may not be the wisest thing to do if you're alone and not familiar with
the city! 
i don't really know the cool happening spots around toronto, but i do know a
few nice parks and record stores.. genevieve - avoid the eaton centre and
the scariness and garishness of yonge street (although, i like the big hmv..
when i bought a magnetic fields record, the shop boy was delighted at my
selection! he was a doll..)  you'll have more fun playing spot-the-hipster
on queen street west, which is near the eaton centre.. there are some nice
record shops along there.. 
sooo, fellow torontonians.. why don't we try to plan a little b&s get
together around this? please just make it the 30th or after though.. i have
an algebra midterm thursday morning that i have to study for! or email me or
something.. let's see when everyone's available and do that.. okay? yay!

sorry for making the people who live in more glamourous, exotic places read
this..

(if you've read -vol de nuit- by antoine de st-exupery, email me and tell me
about it's theme!)

xxxx
teri :)

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it might be worth the effort, but we don't have the time or the will to intrude
cos sooner or later you'll have to choose between one set of lies and another
it's nothing new
cos like it or not, there's part of me in you
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From jlphilli at xxx.edu  Fri Apr 24 04:32:06 1998
From: jlphilli at xxx.edu (jennifer)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:32:06 -0500
Subject: Sinister: picnic invite translated from italian to inglese
Message-ID: <199804240334.WAA48774@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>



Hello my dears,
Leave me to invite all to the picnic in Madison, WI.  It will be had the
third of May at half-day at the park of James Madison.  I beg you all to
carry some food of every type (sweets, fruit, veggies, bread, beverages or
whatever you have hunger for) and your good humor.  We can co-divide the
food so that we have a pretty meal.  It is necessary that someone bring a
radio, therefore we can listen to our favorite musical group.  If you do not
know where is this park of James Madison, e-mail me in private.  If you have
need of any other information, let me hear it.  It will be nice if come
strange people to the picnic. 
kisses and hugs,
Jennifer

in summary:    Madison, Wi.  May 3rd at noon.  James Madison park.  Bring
food to share (especially if you have leftover Peeps!)  I know that I will
bring green Kool-aid, fruit w/ Nutella, and something salty.  Once again,
everyone is invited!  We're all strangers, so it should be fun.  If anyone
needs a place to stay or anything at all, let me know.

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From CrimsonKing at xxx.net  Fri Apr 24 06:06:21 1998
From: CrimsonKing at xxx.net (Shaft)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:06:21 +0000
Subject: Sinister: LA listees rise up
Message-ID: <19980424050619.AAA9876@Default>

        Hey Los Angeles and Orange County listees!  I know there's enough of
you now to get a somewhat happening picnic going.  Send me some mail if
you're interested (be sure to include where you live so that we can figure
out a relatively centrally located place).
        Madame Cholet - I may be the only person here who knows who Melrose
Larry is, but I think it's hilarious that you gave him flyers.  I met him
briefly while I was waiting in line to get into the Bob Dylan show at the El
Rey Theater in December.  He was holding a big sign professing his love for
Howard Stern and begging people to visit his website.
        Take Care-
                        Andy       #:-) 

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From Runegg at xxx.com  Fri Apr 24 07:42:15 1998
From: Runegg at xxx.com (Runegg)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:42:15 EDT
Subject: Sinister: new york--never mind the rain
Message-ID: <6808839d.35403449@aol.com>

hey new yorkers... do we have a rain backup picnic location? (although it is
supposed to clear up before sunday, so we should be okay)...
rain is kind of nice.
--ari
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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Fri Apr 24 11:48:09 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:48:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: Amphetameanies, an update
References: <3.0.2.32.19980424114728.0079f100@mail.force9.net>
Message-ID: <35406DE9.DAF1A101@virgin.net>

Mick's given another message to pass on, to correct something in the
older message:

-=-

Mick Cooke wrote:
 
Head Meanie Gordy has informed me to say that any overseas people
wanting
to mail order the Amphetameanies single must send five UK pounds, not
three
pounds, to cover postage and packing,

Cheers,
Mick
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From httpd at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 24 12:23:07 1998
From: httpd at xxx.uk (apache binaries)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:23:07 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: snow patrol gig in london ... tonight!
Message-ID: <199804241123.MAA25484@mushroom.totalweb.net.uk>

hi everyone!

just wanted to let you all know that snow patrol are playing tonight (friday 24th april) in london at the camden falcon.

they're on stage at 9.45pm, so if you're in london and not heading off to see the multitude of bands that are playing in the capital tonight, then come on down 'cos i promise you'll be blown away by their on-stage escapades ... oh, and the lead singer's really cute too! :)

address for the falcon is: 234 royal college street, camden. �5 or �3.50 concessions.

hope to see some of you there!

cheers,
Katrina.

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From httpd at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 24 12:25:30 1998
From: httpd at xxx.uk (apache binaries)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:25:30 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: snow patrol gig in london ... tonight!
Message-ID: <199804241125.MAA25949@mushroom.totalweb.net.uk>

hi everyone!

just wanted to let you all know that snow patrol are playing tonight (friday 24th april) in london at the camden falcon.

they're on stage at 9.45pm, so if you're in london and not heading off to see the multitude of bands that are playing in the capital tonight, then come on down 'cos i promise you'll be blown away by their on-stage escapades ... oh, and the lead singer's really cute too! :)

address for the falcon is: 234 royal college street, camden. �5 or �3.50 concessions.

hope to see some of you there!

cheers,
Katrina.

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From faw1 at xxx.edu  Fri Apr 24 14:13:34 1998
From: faw1 at xxx.edu (Francisco Alberto Wong)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:13:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: toronto picnic or something similar?
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980423235714.006958ac@mail.interlog.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95qL.980424091121.17282A-100000@aloha.cc.columbia.edu>


Alright, we are allowed at least one non-B+S related sin,
cos anyone who qoutes ida has to be realllll neat-o!

i heartily recommend Ida for any listee--beautiful harmonies, lovely
tunes, excellent arrangements, pure sugar melt pop bliss, yessss.

francisco


> teri :)
> 
> ===================
> it might be worth the effort, but we don't have the time or the will to intrude
> cos sooner or later you'll have to choose between one set of lies and another
> it's nothing new
> cos like it or not, there's part of me in you
> (ida)
> 

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From vegasbaby at xxx.com  Fri Apr 24 14:19:01 1998
From: vegasbaby at xxx.com (Courtney Knopf)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:19:01 PDT
Subject: Sinister: L.A. picnic anyone? How about Portland? Seattle? Can I get an 
    Amen!?
Message-ID: <19980424131901.16990.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hello my lovelies:)
I haven't posted very much since I've joined up...but I've been seeing 
all these picnics being planned in regions oh-so-far-away from me, so I 
got to thinking...how about a picnic in Los Angeles? I'm thinking a 
lovely saturday afternoon....perschnapps May 2 or 9th?
I'm a student at USC--yes,i know there's another Trojan on this list! i 
saw your address!--and I'll be leaving for the summer on May 10th so I'd 
like to do this in a timely fashion. Aside from Andy, whom I already 
know thanks to the Ben Folds Five list, I would like to meet the rest of 
the SoCal sinister contingent.
If anyone is interested, just email me, and I will try to get something 
organized.

And if there is anyone in the Portland/Seattle area on here, you drop me 
a line too. I'll be home in Portland all summer and would love to plan a 
picnic there too!


~Courtney
The Sultraness of Swing
"Is there any soup on the menu?"
"Yeah, but we wiped it

P.S. Andy--sorry i've been incommunicado. Finals and papers just creeped 
up on me. I'll drop you an email soon.

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:00:45 +0100
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Subject: Sinister: more unhappy b+s graffiti
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The Laird wrote
"Did anyone see the Vid for Century of Fakers on MTVs Alternative
Nation Tues night? Personally I hadn't seen it before - bit of a
snogfest near the end eh?
Katrina never said there would be another 'Scottish' section on the
show (which also had Teenage Fanclub, The Delgados and a strange short
film from the much hyped Toaster) so it came as a bit of a surprise
and I couldn't tape it in time (boo-hoo)."

I was heading for the bath as that Alt Nat came on.  No TV in the bathroom, so 
I set up the video.  When I rejoined the programme, in literally wet mode, the 
ads came on so I rewound but pressed the play button by mistake before reaching 
the beginning and there was Century.  I, too, was suprised - by my good fortune 
in now having that video and also by Katrina not having told us to stay up 
late.  The Delgados was a nice surprise, too.  And cleanliness must be next to 
Godliness.


Martin C.
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From jeepster.uk at xxx.net  Fri Apr 24 15:18:11 1998
From: jeepster.uk at xxx.net (Katrina House)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:18:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: naughty horrible me
References: <199804241400.PAA29527@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>
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> The Laird wrote

> "Did anyone see the Vid for Century of Fakers on MTVs Alternative
> Nation Tues night? Personally I hadn't seen it before - bit of a
> snogfest near the end eh?
> Katrina never said there would be another 'Scottish' section on the
> show (which also had Teenage Fanclub, The Delgados and a strange short
> film from the much hyped Toaster) so it came as a bit of a surprise
> and I couldn't tape it in time (boo-hoo)."

Martin_Conneely at finance.irlgov.ie wrote:
 
> I was heading for the bath as that Alt Nat came on.  No TV in the bathroom, so
> I set up the video.  When I rejoined the programme, in literally wet mode, the
> ads came on so I rewound but pressed the play button by mistake before reaching
> the beginning and there was Century.  I, too, was suprised - by my good fortune
> in now having that video and also by Katrina not having told us to stay up
> late.  The Delgados was a nice surprise, too.  And cleanliness must be next to
> Godliness.

sorry everyone, i didn't know either.

snow patrol new vid for "100 things you should have done in bed" on next
week's alt. nation.

i love colin!

cheers,
Katrina.

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From daeril at xxx.es  Fri Apr 24 16:05:14 1998
From: daeril at xxx.es (Alberto Perez)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:05:14 +0200
Subject: Sinister: "Escucha, esto es pish, yo va a dejar"?
Message-ID: <3540AA29.A2F45345@redestb.es>

What does it mean?

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From Andrewnic at xxx.com  Fri Apr 24 16:14:53 1998
From: Andrewnic at xxx.com (Andrewnic)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:14:53 EDT
Subject: Sinister: PICNICS
Message-ID: <8855ab58.3540ac6e@aol.com>

In a message dated 23/04/1998 18:33:52 GMT, David doth write:

<< some people have mentioned in various ways that they were unsure that
 they were allowed to attend or didn't feel that they would fit in, so:
 
 EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION IS INVITED TO THE PICNICS >>

For those who are unable to attend the picnic in Glasgow on Saturday, we are
arranging an alternative event in Edinburgh. The Belle and Sebastian Burglary
Picnic will start at midday on Saturday, will take place in various houses and
flats in Edinburgh. Food will be provided (as long as the picnicers in Glasgow
left their fridges stocked). Any valuables, cameras, tvs, etc. will be divvied
up at the end of the day.

Please bring your own jemmys, picks, stripey jumpers and swag bags.

Andy

ps. Just joking
pps. Although... actually... it's not such a daft idea
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Fri Apr 24 16:45:25 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:45:25 +0200
Subject: Sinister: a great idea!
Message-ID: <01bd6f97$ff6fbe20$LocalHost@itjfvkli>

What a rubbish week it's been! I've been poorly, had shitloads of work to do
and I've started following people around by e-mail, like a sad bastard. How
low can I go? And who can I turn to in my hour of darkness, in my time of
need? Oh Lord, grant me vision, oh Lord, grant me...wait a minute...if only
there were such a thing as the Stuart Murdoch Problem Box! What a marvellous
thought! We all know that Stuart enjoys hearing about people's problems, but
not everyone knows where he lives, or has got his mobile phone number. Hmmm.
Why not install one of those jazzy window things in the fanclub website, so
that people from Middlesborough to Malaysia, from Wisconsin to
Wolverhampton, can simply fill in the box with their problems and send it
off to David, who could print them out and save them and then give them to
Stuart at the next band rehearsal? Nothing could be simpler. Stuart could
then answer each one by hand or read them out loud to the Song Snake, who
could churn out some top songs so that Stuart could solve a few problems for
people on the next LP. Once Shockwave is installed, a little animated Stuart
could welcome people to his Problem Box, saying, "What's the matter?" or
"Don't worry. Would you like a coffee or something?"

There, that's my idea and I think it's a winner. Come on, David, you could
do it tonight instead of going to see The Snow Patrol.

Peter

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From barzy at xxx.com  Fri Apr 24 18:36:34 1998
From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:36:34 -0800
Subject: Sinister: LA listees rise up
Message-ID: <v01540b0ab1667c75b169@[207.48.25.57]>


Wow....lot's of LA peoples wanting to play...cool. Let's do it! Let's
picnic on the beach or something? (somewhere close to swings would be nice)
Kelly? You in? Oh, he's not listening to me....but i'm sure he's in as
well...:)

Oh Andy (La Listie) that Melrose Larry comment? It
was.....um....sarcasm..... *gasp* Sorry! I wouldn't *really* get that close
to that guy...I mean....from the messages i've gotten...he'd never pass out
flyers for a band that wouldn't be heard on Stern anyway...(inc. I didn't
know he had anything to do with Stern, as i've never heard the show....i've
just always seen him in Hollywood for as long as I can remember....just
found out about the Stern from Matt Neimark who emailed me an evil message!
:P

underground, overground.....


beth














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From lsworski at xxx.edu  Fri Apr 24 09:31:01 1998
From: lsworski at xxx.edu (Lindsay Sworski)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:31:01 +0000
Subject: Sinister: virgin listee
Message-ID: <35404DC5.2A9D@ucsd.edu>

i feel a hundred eyes on me.  Hum... how should i create my persona for

y'all? (american lingo).  Well, the thoughts im having are dripping with

sticky sweetness, things like "everyone on this list is just so damn

cool and im inspired by the fact that other people seem to have felt or

still feel that little tingling inside of them that i feel when i listen

to the richness that is belle and sebastian."  im basically an email

virgin and kinda like the fact that i can write something that a hundred

eyes will see.  Wow.  Cool.  "something special."  yeah.



im from southern california.  i grew up a few miles from the beach in

los angeles.  i now go to school in san diego, conservative capital of

the world, and dont like it except for the other caged birds around me

that im am collectively working with to break the fuck out of this

joint.  one day my roomie and i walked down to the beach to see the

sunset and procrastinate. we were putting on our typical show of

throwing sand and play-fighting/dancing with sticks West Side Story

style when she began humming the tune to "Judy." i taught her the words

and we proceeded to dance around joyously frolicing to our rendition,

throwing wet sand in each others eyes and eventually jumping in the

water (and stripping for a couple of lucky male witnesses).  ever since

then we have both seen an improvement in the quality of our lives!  i

swear, that damn music is MAGIC>>>>>



YEAH!  so how is everybody today?  tonight?  this morning?  thanx Madame

Cholet for the gift!  theres much material out there i will eventually

respond to but id like to offer my own psychological services:



1) what is your favorite animal?  think of 5 adjectives to describe this

animal, why you like it or how it makes you feel.  (doesn't HAVE to be

just adjectives, but description of what it means to you)



2) what is your favorite color?  again think of five adjectives.  it can

be flexible, maybe you have two favorites or whatever...



3) what is your favorite body of water?  it can be ANYTHING - ocean, cup

of water, rain, shower...  and youe guessed it, 5 descriptions of how it

makes you feel.



email the answers to me and i will send you a personal reading after i

use your answers to explore the depths of your soul.  ;)



anybody listening in san diego?  perhaps the Sinisterines should sing

cheers in the sweetly and slightly ironic vein of B&S, happy tune with

deep and darker meaning...



Get me away, Im D-Y-I-N-G

Dying, Dying, cry for me!



HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME!

CRY YOU LIFE AWAY!

We're all just little foxes in the snow

How and why and when and where to GO!

How and why and when and where to GO!



GO GO GO!!!  (with beaming smiles and pom poms sparkling and bums

showing as we jump to touch our toes)



my eyes are squeezed tightly shut and im wishing good things for

everybody.



word.



lindsay.....................



"Two wrongs dont make a right.  three rights make a left"  -Galagher,

that comedian guy.
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From thaiant at xxx.gov  Fri Apr 24 17:01:24 1998
From: thaiant at xxx.gov (Thaian N Ton )
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:01:24 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Colourings & Drawings
References: <353F4F6F.1DD8C4E3@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <3540B752.E3D1F930@pop.nci.nih.gov>

hello beautiful listees,

just posting in from lovely dc, watching the weather heat up and trying to
slip in a little bit of b&s on our top 40 radio that keeps blasting out
billy joel today.

> david k quipped
>
> PS: no-one has sent in anything to colour in, so it looks as if the
> international colouring competition will be called off before it starts!
>
>

oh dearie.  i thought that there was talk about the colouring contest, but
i didn't realize it had already started.  does this mean it's called off?
pooh, i just took my magic markers out!

dc-B&S:  anyone for the tibetan freedom concert june 13-14?  i just have to
say: radiohead, rem, beck & pulp are playing.  tickets go on sale next
saturday, may 2.  only thing that seems to be missing is b&s.  do you think
we could request them to get a little political for a good cause? ;)  i'll
be there in terry underwear.  (and my pulp hardcore tshirt)

have a terrific weekend & do something rebellious.  i'm going to buffalo,
ny.  that's a real rebellion in the making, i might even venture into ...
toronto!  oooer, canada!!!

-thaian (wee chi chi) xxoo



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From tangent at xxx.net  Fri Apr 24 17:41:46 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:41:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: we are the mods etc blah blah
References: <dboCpwAyN5P1EwnQ@elsato97.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3540C0CA.B897ECB9@lineone.net>

Sarah wrote:

> duek wrote:
> <<i'll be suffering post-OFSTED party hangover blues in my garret
> room,
> writing articles about the state of the nations' apathetic youth for
> the
> Modern Review.>>
>
> and i'll kick his arse from here to eternity if he makes references to
>
> apathetic youth again.

irony, my dear, irony... and self-deprecating as well. you should all
know by now that i think i am full of crap. others probably think i am
more full if crap, but that's up to them.

> i'll just say YOU older ones are the ones with
> any power, and what the fuck are you doing?

do any of us have power? i dunno, i suggest to kids that they might do
stuff, all sorts of stuff, but they ignore me because i am teacher, i am
old and i know fuck all. which is healthy of course. i write, scheme,
create, make whatever the hell you want to call it. does it affect
anyone? does it make any difference? i dunno. someone else can answer
it...

> surviving i'm sure you'll
> reply smugly, what else can we do, with a shrug of the shoulders.

never just surviving, because that is the same as being dead. striving,
always.

> you lot can get lost as well, *i* have to survive as well you know, i
> know, no bills, no responsibilities, its easy for ME to say to fight.
> and i have done. and its an ffort for me too. so FUCK you everyone who
>
> leaves it to youth to fight anything, you should be out there TOO.

who are you shouting at exactly? me? i dunno, that's fine if so, i can
just shrug smugly and say 'been there, done that'. But i won't. i'll
just shrug, muttter 'fuck you anyway' and go on doing my own shit,
trying to figure out what the fuck i am doing in this situation, and i
don;t mean typying this on a keyboard, although that comes into it.

> no wonder most kids i know are apatheitc. they keep getting labelled
> it
> EVERY DAY. what do you expect.

i expect you to say FUCK YOU ASSHOLE and go prove it's wrong.

Withdraw, detach, deny, destruct, create alternatives. you know it makes
sense.

see y'all.

the duke


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From u01cjtc at xxx.uk  Fri Apr 24 17:53:09 1998
From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (The Boy With The X-Ray Eyes!)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:53:09 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Re: naughty horrible me
In-Reply-To: <35409F23.C6EC7721@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980424174913.11382A-100000@sysa.abdn.ac.uk>

Katrina wrote
"I love colin"

It's good to be loved.






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From parachute at xxx.net  Fri Apr 24 23:05:17 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (bradford)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:05:17 -0700
Subject: Sinister: picanica
Message-ID: <35410C9D.10E9@earthlink.net>

well, i had a belle and sebastian picnic today. it was wonderful. the
only problem. i forgot to tell anyone. i went out to chehaw park, the
local zoo and park type place. i packed about five picninc baskets full
of bologna sandwiches, couscous, and goldschlager. after about an hour
of waiting for others to show up, this litle kid wandered over and said
"hey, mister....will you play with me". i said "scram, youngun" and he
started crying, so i gave him some goldschlager.
by four o'clock me and the kid were climbing up the howling monkeys cage
drunk as shit going "whhooooooooooooooooooo" like the monkeys do. then
the kid fell down and scraped his knee and said "FUCK". this was
overheard by some delightful old grannies looking at the baby bald
eagle, and they hurried over and said "well, i never....a drunk five
year old using such profanity"
so the kid goes, "aww, shut up you hairy whore"
and one of them has a heart attack. and then we hear over the intercom
that there's a missing child in the zoo and the mother is looking
frantically for him and there's a reward. so i look adoringly at my new
friend while he's puking in the gator moat. i'm thinking....."hmmm,
reward" (i was too drunk to think of much else). the kid comes over and
grabs the last bottle fo goldschlager and down it down and goes
"bbuuuuurrpp......hair of the dog that bit me"
and then i realized what i had done. so i ran off, neevr to see the kid
or the handsome reward ever again.
and when i got back to the table, all the sandwiches and couscous were
gone.

i'm planning another one next weekend.



> 1) what is your favorite animal?  think of 5 adjectives to describe 
> this animal, why you like it or how it makes you feel.  (doesn't HAVE 
> to be just adjectives, but description of what it means to you)


sloth.
sugary, wet, comely, grainy, see-through


> 2) what is your favorite color?  again think of five adjectives.  it 
> can be flexible, maybe you have two favorites or whatever...


mauve.
red, kinda red, dark, is that a hint of purple?, sexy


> 3) what is your favorite body of water?  it can be ANYTHING - ocean, 
> cup of water, rain, shower...  and youe guessed it, 5 descriptions of 
> how it makes you feel.


toilet.
loved, cared for, horny, infatuated, obsessed


i hate goodbyes.
-brad
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From jlphilli at xxx.edu  Fri Apr 24 19:54:14 1998
From: jlphilli at xxx.edu (jennifer)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:54:14 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Wisconsin picnic update
Message-ID: <v03110700b166495b0227@[144.92.184.102]>

Hey.
I changed my mind.  The picnic in Madison, WI on May 3rd will be held at
Olin Park instead of James Madison.  I began thinking about the bongos and
large playful dogs that are at JM on an average Sunday, and became
immediately frightened.  If you need directions, let me know.
best wishes,
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From escossia at xxx.br  Fri Apr 24 20:55:09 1998
From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:55:09 -0300
Subject: Sinister: Hopkirk and Lee
Message-ID: <01bd6fba$e2e1f020$0100007f@localhost>

Anyone knows anything about Hopkirk and Lee ?
I read somewhere that they are a "Folk/Indie duo in a kind of mellow 
Belle & Sebastian style"

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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Fri Apr 24 21:06:49 1998
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:06:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: yes, it's about the new york picnic.  just happen already!
Message-ID: <v01510100b1661eca3ad1@[128.122.209.207]>

ok, it has come to my attention that i was perhaps not specific enough
about the information relating to a meeting spot.  first off, yes, i did
mean central park.  i thought the swingset to this playground in the south
was a good idea.  we'll probably be sitting in the sheep meadow, playing
music.  if you hear b&s, it's probably us.  you've been warned.

also, some people watch the weather channel, and have informed me that it's
supposed to rain all weekend.  i'm hoping this is bullshit, but should it
actually happen, we'll need some sort of back up plan.  let me just say
that this picnic *will* occur on sunday at noon and as of now, is meeting
in the location specificed in the last post.  any suggestions for rain
locations will be noted.  until sunday!

xox
megan

ps - if you can't get email on the weekend, write for my phone number.

mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu

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From ooon at xxx.th  Fri Apr 24 21:40:19 1998
From: ooon at xxx.th (oon)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 03:40:19 +0700
Subject: Sinister: B&S Article in Thai magazine!
Message-ID: <3540F8B3.31FB@samart.co.th>

dear all,

the magazine is called 'GT', March issue. the only
indie-ish publication in the whole kingdom. written by
Mr.Arthit Promprasith who, i believe, is still lurking
here.  i've made an attempt to translate it for the 
most parts.  as it's rather long, i don't think i should
post it here.  anyone like to have a look just email me.

of course, i can't offer you the master translating 
skill of Prof Miller, nor the AMAZING and bizarre 
translating machine of Master Mitchell (if only it 
can do Thai-English, i would love to see the 
outcome!)  so think before you send in your
request :)

take care,
oon xxx
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From lsworski at xxx.edu  Fri Apr 24 16:20:52 1998
From: lsworski at xxx.edu (Lindsay Sworski)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:20:52 +0000
Subject: Sinister: virgin listee easier and again
Message-ID: <3540ADD4.16CD@ucsd.edu>

i feel a hundred eyes on me.  Hum... how should i create my persona for
y'all? (american lingo).  Well, the thoughts im having are dripping with
sticky sweetness, things like "everyone on this list is just so damn
cool and im inspired by the fact that other people seem to have felt or
still feel that little tingling inside of them that i feel when i listen
to the richness that is belle and sebastian."  im basically an email
virgin and kinda like the fact that i can write something that a hundred
eyes will see.  Wow.  Cool.  "something special."  yeah.

im from southern california.  i grew up a few miles from the beach in
los angeles.  i now go to school in san diego, conservative capital of
the world, and dont like it except for the other caged birds around me
that im am collectively working with to break the fuck out of this
joint.  one day my roomie and i walked down to the beach to see the
sunset and procrastinate. we were putting on our typical show of
throwing sand and play-fighting/dancing with sticks West Side Story
style when she began humming the tune to "Judy." i taught her the words
and we proceeded to dance around joyously frolicing to our rendition,
throwing wet sand in each others eyes and eventually jumping in the
water (and stripping for a couple of lucky male witnesses).  ever since
then we have both seen an improvement in the quality of our lives!  i
swear, that damn music is MAGIC>>>>>

YEAH!  so how is everybody today?  tonight?  this morning?  thanx Madame
Cholet for the gift!  theres much material out there i will eventually
respond to but id like to offer my own psychological services:

1) what is your favorite animal?  think of 5 adjectives to describe this
animal, why you like it or how it makes you feel.  (doesn't HAVE to be
just adjectives, but description of what it means to you)

2) what is your favorite color?  again think of five adjectives.  it can
be flexible, maybe you have two favorites or whatever...

3) what is your favorite body of water?  it can be ANYTHING - ocean, cup
of water, rain, shower...  and youe guessed it, 5 descriptions of how it
makes you feel.

email the answers to me and i will send you a personal reading after i
use your answers to explore the depths of your soul.  ;)

anybody listening in san diego?  perhaps the Sinisterines should sing
cheers in the sweetly and slightly ironic vein of B&S, happy tune with
deep and darker meaning...

Get me away, Im D-Y-I-N-G
Dying, Dying, cry for me!

HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME!
CRY YOU LIFE AWAY!
We're all just little foxes in the snow
How and why and when and where to GO!
How and why and when and where to GO!

GO GO GO!!!  (with beaming smiles and pom poms sparkling and bums
showing as we jump to touch our toes)

my eyes are squeezed tightly shut and im wishing good things for
everybody.

word.

lindsay.....................

"Two wrongs dont make a right.  three rights make a left"  -Galagher,
that comedian guy.
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From tangent at xxx.net  Sat Apr 25 00:17:54 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:17:54 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Colourings & Drawings
References: <353F4F6F.1DD8C4E3@virgin.net> <3540B752.E3D1F930@pop.nci.nih.gov>
Message-ID: <35411DA2.843EDEFC@lineone.net>

> dc-B&S:  anyone for the tibetan freedom concert june 13-14?  i just
> have to
> say: radiohead, rem, beck & pulp are playing.  tickets go on sale next
>
> saturday, may 2.  only thing that seems to be missing is b&s.  do you
> think
> we could request them to get a little political for a good cause? ;)

hmmm. do you think b& s are a-political? seems to me they are the most
political band i've heard for many years, certainly WAY more political
than all the other bands you mentioned...

ho hum. me and adrian have just been out swilling beer and cider and
bushmills.

the duke


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i'm not brave, i'm not special, i'm not any of those things.

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From Ayacolor at xxx.com  Sat Apr 25 03:14:29 1998
From: Ayacolor at xxx.com (Ayacolor)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:14:29 EDT
Subject: Sinister:Seattle listeeeeees
Message-ID: <38c25352.35414706@aol.com>

Hi boys and girls.
Your colorful Aya again and  again.

I'm going to move near Seattle.
Anyone there?
And anyone think about picnic there?

Keep on rockin'
AyaXX

PS=Hey Tag, I got Yoshinori Sunahara's new LP. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa~(riot from
happiness)
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From parachute at xxx.net  Sat Apr 25 10:57:10 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (bradford)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:57:10 -0700
Subject: Sinister: DUH!
Message-ID: <3541B375.40BA@earthlink.net>

> -your personal breakdown: 
> you are a wet and grainy sex-obsessed salamander

> -lindsay

tell me something i DON'T know.
-brad
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From chrisp1 at xxx.net  Sat Apr 25 07:47:27 1998
From: chrisp1 at xxx.net (Chris Borne)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:47:27 -0600
Subject: Fw: Sinister: Hopkirk and Lee
Message-ID: <19980425063412.AAA2801@chrisbor>

I've heard and read the same, but have had problems acquiring this one.  
What a tease.  I hear how similar they sound to B&S, (Although I doubt it
could match the excellence I've found in B&S, probably more like the taste
of RC cola compared to Coke) but couldn't find squat, even searching at my
local Indy shop to order it.   
Any suggestions? 
What label are they on?
Thanks in advance,
Chrispy

----------
> From: Ivo A P Escossia <escossia at xxx.br>
> To: Belle & Sebastian List <sinister at majordomo.net>
> Subject: Sinister: Hopkirk and Lee
> Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 1:55 PM
> 
> Anyone knows anything about Hopkirk and Lee ?
> I read somewhere that they are a "Folk/Indie duo in a kind of mellow 
> Belle & Sebastian style"
> 
>        Ivo A P Escossia
> 
> 
> 
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From chrisp1 at xxx.net  Sat Apr 25 07:56:22 1998
From: chrisp1 at xxx.net (Chris Borne)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:56:22 -0600
Subject: Sinister: Denver picnic-is there anyone else Sinister in town?
Message-ID: <19980425064307.AAA5706@chrisbor>

HI all-
I've come out from hibernation, so look out world!   I was wondering if
there were any other list members in Denver/Boulder or Colorado at all.   I
know others who know of the band, but none on this list.   I've found the
local music scene to be lame in general, but someone else must buy their
music, I see them disappear from Twist and Shout and Wax Trax, our local
suppliers of the obscure and deranged tunage.   Anyway, if you are out
there, please drop me a line, and we'll have a picnic on one of these sunny
days we've had lately.   To paraphrase something Jesus said (from what
little I remember from Sunday school) where two or more are gathered in my
name, ... I forget the rest, but you get the picture.    Please, someone
answer, it's mighty lonely out here in the mountains.   BTW, if anyone is
travelling through the Denver area, drop a line, and we'll hook up.  I
don't bite, ---hard.

Chrispy

"Anybody who needs Bob Dylan to tell him which way the wind is blowing is a
serious mental defective."
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From chrisp1 at xxx.net  Sat Apr 25 08:36:02 1998
From: chrisp1 at xxx.net (Chris Borne)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:36:02 -0600
Subject: Sinister: B&S Crush
Message-ID: <19980425072252.AAA17241@chrisbor>

I feel like I'm in high school again!!! At a recent show (Neutral Milk
Hotel, much fun, of it's own right),
I saw a little girlie I've had one of those crushes that come so
infrequently, I have to bask in it's 
insecure warmth, and squirm when she looks at me.   She's a dainty thing,
and I was humming
String Bean Jean when I saw her.   I'm really not a pedophile, just have a
thing for cute and dainty, smiles 
and all that.   I couldn't bring myself to talk to her, afraid I'd open my
trap 
and start talking like the adults on a Charlie Brown special, so my beloved
friend Christa went up to
her to let her in on it.   please wish me luck, my friends, I haven't had
this quivery feeling in quite a while.  
I know I'm silly, but I just can't help it.  Anyone else ever just see
someone, and be unable to think of 
another person?   I know this sound stupid, but I thought if anyone may get
this, it would be some of you
on this list.   God, I hope she doesn't lurk on this list, but here goes,
I'll proclaim my pubescent crush 
loudly on the Internet.
Are you out there?
Chrispy

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serious mental defective."
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From vegasbaby at xxx.com  Sat Apr 25 12:47:49 1998
From: vegasbaby at xxx.com (Courtney Knopf)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 04:47:49 PDT
Subject: Sinister: great minds...
Message-ID: <19980425114749.25566.qmail@hotmail.com>

How amusing that Andy and I posted essentially teh same message on the 
same day! I guess it just goes to show that great minds really DO think 
aloke...or maybe it's all that time he spends with his friends here at 
USC. either way, we're simpatico, yo. Plus he likes Weezer too, and 
anyone who likes the mighty =W= as well as BFF and B&S gets a round of 
applause from me. and i would also consider marriage proposals, but 
perschnapps it's a bit early for *that*.
But i finally got on #sinister when there was more than 3 people on it 
today! yay! <courtney runs around and commences a happy dance>!
And I even talked to a gal at NUY film school of all places (teh 
bastards at NYU didn't want me but that's a diff. story for a different 
day) who was from Portland! woo-hoo!
I love you B&S folk, i really do. you make me happy:)
jeez, it sounds like i'm cueing up for a group hug here.
but anyway, that's all I gots to say, yo.

~Courtney
The Sultraness of Swing
"God, I love it! Even in your dreams you're a bitch about music!"
 (something my friend Doug said to me in ref. to a dream I had involving 
Cuba Gooding Jr. and the song Bittersweet Symphony)

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Sat Apr 25 12:27:51 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:27:51 +0100
Subject: Sinister: apathy and secrecy and whats a bushmill?!
In-Reply-To: <35411DA2.843EDEFC@lineone.net>
Message-ID: <$uGaEHA3icQ1Ewp8@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

hi all!

doh, me and the duke just seem to clash.... can i just say my point, a
simple one. i sound up myself here, but duke said that he was
generalising in calling youth apathetic. don't you think that those
generalisations are dangerous???? us who actually care, have it hard
enough ith everyone else as it is, and when you think theres someone who
might be on your side, they just lump you in as apathetic with everyone
else. a lot of people give up.

and i can't say f**k you asshole, cos Honey pie would tell me off :p

>hmmm. do you think b& s are a-political? seems to me they are the most
>political band i've heard for many years, certainly WAY more political
>than all the other bands you mentioned...

*coughs* i would loove to see you explain where it is that B&S's
political leanings come in. no, honstly, i would :) political in a sense
of doing what they want, man? political in....oh please, i want to know
what political you see in them? are you seeing an *attitude* in them?
cos lots of bands have *attitudes* but....B&S by themselves, not
speaking about this list here, just their records listened to by an
individaul.....don't lament the cesspit of capitalism do they? i don't
get it mooommmy!
>
>ho hum. me and adrian have just been out swilling beer and cider and
>bushmills.

thats how much i know. whats a bushmill?

*sighs* i could be at a picnic now. but no. i am tpng a quick email,
before doing mountains of irnoing. 

i really hate weekends. i hate my dull existence and the shallowality of
it all! *sighs* i think its about time to start sobbing in a corner. but
then i'd just be told off for not doing their ironing.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
" fotherington thomas who does lark around saying hello trees hello flowers. he 
is a wet and a weed and i shun him utterly"
                         http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk

                
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From AlanPrior at xxx.com  Sat Apr 25 13:46:09 1998
From: AlanPrior at xxx.com (Alan Prior)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 08:46:09 -0400
Subject: Sinister: the green eyed picnic monster, grrrr
Message-ID: <199804250846_MC2-3AF9-3683@compuserve.com>

boo hoo. everyone's at the glasgow picnic and i'm at home by myself with
only my sad songs to keep me company. and the new arab strap album
(half-hearted) yay. that's all, just thought i'd have a moan... it's all my
own fault, really, but what can you do, eh?

aaaaah, the new drugstore single is so beautiful...

love,
debbie xxx.
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From johnj at xxx.com  Sat Apr 25 13:59:38 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Jackson)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:59:38 +0100
Subject: Sinister: the green eyed picnic monster, grrrr
References: <199804250846_MC2-3AF9-3683@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <3541DE3A.11CB@seahouses.u-net.com>

Alan Prior/Debbie (Glen or Glenda?) wrote:
> 
> boo hoo. everyone's at the glasgow picnic and i'm at home by myself with
> only my sad songs to keep me company.

not true. I can't be arsed to go up to Glasgow. I'm dead tired of
travelling, plus, my car has cost me so much money this week that
I am trying not to spend anything for a while. Tag isn't going either.

so this weekend we have : Massive Attack, the Pixies, Simon and
Garfunkel, Mogwai, Air and I might even get my old 12" records out.

I am especially looking forward to 'Mummy You're A Wreck' by the
Very Things.

JJ
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From tangent at xxx.net  Sat Apr 25 16:16:05 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:16:05 +0100
Subject: Sinister: apathy and secrecy and whats a bushmill?!
References: <$uGaEHA3icQ1Ewp8@elsato97.demon.co.uk>
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Sarah wrote:

> hi all!
>
> doh, me and the duke just seem to clash....

and London's Burning with boredom now...

> duke said that he was
> generalising in calling youth apathetic.

people apathetic really. ho hum.

> don't you think that those
> generalisations are dangerous????

no, i don't have time to be specific about every single person i might
meet

> and when you think theres someone who
> might be on your side, they just lump you in as apathetic with
> everyone
> else. a lot of people give up.

did i say 'sarah you are apathetic'? don't recall that one... anyone who
isn't will fight what's said, will react, either vocally or by doing
something to prove i'm wrong, and probably won't even give a shit about
proving that cos why should they care? i'm just no-one.

> >hmmm. do you think b& s are a-political? seems to me they are the
> most
> >political band i've heard for many years, certainly WAY more
> political
> >than all the other bands you mentioned...
>
> *coughs* i would loove to see you explain where it is that B&S's
> political leanings come in. .. are you seeing an *attitude* in them?
> cos lots of bands have *attitudes* but....B&S by themselves, not
> speaking about this list here, just their records listened to by an
> individaul.....don't lament the cesspit of capitalism do they? i don't
>
> get it mooommmy!

you don't have to sing 'down with capitalism' or 'down with facism' to
be politcal. some groups (McCarthy and Gang of 4 spring to mind) can
write overtly and openly politcal songs and make it work, whilst others
(Redskins spring to mind) do not. B&S are political in the way they do,
or do not do things, and if you want to call that an 'attitude', fair
enough. i just call it a a way of living. i also think that the way that
stuart writes can be construed as being political because it is outside
of common/popular thinking about content of songs/way of writing and by
it's manner rather than content makes a political comment, if you care
to see it. it's in interpretation, and i don;t care is Stuart tells me
i'm a dick and B&S are not political because it's irrelevent, with Pop
being essentially subjective.  B&S are political in the way that Dexys
were political, by refusing to play the party game, by going out on
limbs, by daring to be strange.

> thats how much i know. whats a bushmill?

irish whisky, and as i told Adrian, reminded me of being in New Orleans
and writing dreadful poetry on napkins.

> *sighs* i could be at a picnic now. but no. i am tpng a quick email,
> before doing mountains of irnoing.

go to the bloody picnic.

> i really hate weekends. i hate my dull existence and the shallowality
> of
> it all! *sighs* i think its about time to start sobbing in a corner.

and when the sobs subside, go out and do something less boring with your
life.

respect, even though you hate me, kids.

the duke


--
i'm not brave, i'm not special, i'm not any of those things.

-------------------------------

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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Sat Apr 25 18:18:45 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:18:45 +0100
Subject: Sinister: blue soda social at the poetry cafe
Message-ID: <35421AF5.857C84F8@virgin.net>

more details will follow, but i thought i'd let you know that katrina
and i have started the preparations, and today spent the afternoon at
toys r us buying;

connect 4
buckaroo
operation
twister
and lastly, battleships

so entertain is sorted!, what's next on the list?

more info and url to follow...

david and katrina
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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Sat Apr 25 18:29:21 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:29:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: hello?
References: <v01540b00b167bd8543df@[194.112.55.8]>
Message-ID: <35421D71.F962ED01@virgin.net>

this was privately mailed to me, but i hope that both the person who
sent it and you don't mind it being re-distributed to the list.

someone wrote:
> 
> so, david dear, who is it that's allowed to come to the london picnic?  d'ya
> reckon could come?  *hopeful look*    don't know, what i really mean is, is
> it going to be an elite group of people who know each other and won't
> really appreciate the likes of me coming along.  do i make any ssene?  who
> knows, but what i mean is an anyone come? as in ANYONE?

yes ANYONE means absolutely anyone.
no doubt i will know a few people, but that's because i run the fan club
and have co-ordinated a lot of this.
but i still expect to see people i've never met or spoken to, and i hope
that i will get to meet them.
katrina and i have said to each that we want to meet everyone, and not
spend time with just the people we know or for it to turn into a clique,
simply because it's easier.

so yes, come, bring some friends and some pringles or snacks to share,
you're welcome, and so is everyone else, NO EXCEPTIONS.

we're accommodating, so long as you'll find space for us.

so please, everyone who wants to, come and meet people, it'll be fun,
and yes EVERYONE is invited. who knows, you might find you really enjoy
it.

david and katrina, speaking hopefully on behalf of everyone who has
planned picnics or will attend them.
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From Andreas.Hering at xxx.de  Sat Apr 25 19:06:12 1998
From: Andreas.Hering at xxx.de (Perfection As A Hipster)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:06:12 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Sinister: apathy and secrecy and whats a bushmill?!
Message-ID: <199804251806.UAA07510@studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de>

Alistair wrote ...

>you don't have to sing 'down with capitalism' or 'down with facism' to
>be political. 

Right, you could sing "Boo to the business world!" instead. §;^D

>B&S are political in the way they do,
>or do not do things, and if you want to call that an 'attitude', fair
>enough. i just call it a a way of living. i also think that the way that
>stuart writes can be construed as being political because it is outside
>of common/popular thinking about content of songs/way of writing and by
>it's manner rather than content makes a political comment, if you care
>to see it. it's in interpretation

... and the characteristic feature of artistic expression is offering the
possibility to draw further implications out of the artefact by way of
*continued* interpretation owing the diversity of its expressiveness ... but
as Alistair rightly said, only if you care to see it ... listen closely and
P!O!P! Goes Art, which brings us to Belle And Sebastian. Politics ? I'd be
very interested how anyone could defeat the political message in most
obvious examples like "A Century Of Fakers" ... take the advice of another
thoughtful songwriter ...

"But if a picture means a thousand words
 Then I will paint a book for you
 If you can read between the lines
 The truth for you, nothing but the truth
 Observe
 The Painted Word"

 (Daniel Treacy -> Television Personalities)

>respect, even though you hate me, kids.

"Everyone loves you" (The Nightblooms)

Andreas

The rain it raineth on the just
And also on the unjust fella
But more upon the just because 
The unjust steals the just's umbrella

(Charles Baron Bowen)

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From lsworski at xxx.edu  Sat Apr 25 11:11:18 1998
From: lsworski at xxx.edu (Lindsay Sworski)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:11:18 +0000
Subject: Sinister: i know
Message-ID: <3541B6C6.5383@ucsd.edu>

I KNOW YOURE OUT THERE.  I CAN SEE YOU LURKINK BEHIND THE HUMMING
COMPUTER SCREEN, WAITING FOR THE PERFECT MOMENT TO POUNCE.  I CAN HEAR
THE BELLE AND SEBASTIAN PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND, CAN SMELL THE
UNFLUSHED TOILET, CAN TASTE...

my point, if you live anywhere near los angeles or san diego, say hi,
come out of the closet, let dance and play dodge ball, red rover, and
duck duck goose at a picnic together, and as the sun goes down pull out
out our lighters and sway back and forth with warm fuzzies in our hearts
and warm beers in our hands.

i dont know, it just sounds kinda cool to meet some people whom you
somehow like even though you.ve never met them before''' you know what
they say about the friendliness of our folk...

last night i fell asleep to a low glowing-grey moon marbled by
beautifully swollen cotton clouds, creeping...
and this morning i awoke to my damn hanging plant having grown a green
tentacle down to my bed and into my ear!!



word.
lindsay.
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From Runegg at xxx.com  Sun Apr 26 00:56:27 1998
From: Runegg at xxx.com (Runegg)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:56:27 EDT
Subject: Sinister: NEW YORK PICNIC
Message-ID: <a156793b.3542782c@aol.com>

... okay, all you New York picnic'ers (stalkers, please refrain from calling,
unlike a certain friend of mine, I don't even return stalkers' phone calls)...
because of some confusion about the picnic, just in case you get lost or we
move, I will change my answering machine message during the day on Sunday
saying where the picnic is.  (I won't put anything on the machine unless our
meeting-point becomes obscure or changes).  My New York number is 677-0353.  
--Ari
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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Sat Apr 25 14:34:49 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:34:49 +0100
Subject: Sinister: It' MY party and I'll cry if I want to....
Message-ID: <3541E679.199@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>

Just to let you all know it's my birthday may 4 (London picnic day),
not that I'm like.., expecting anything y'know. 

   Also thankyouthankyoutahnkyou little Katrina House for your sage
Cocteau's advice. Heaven or Las Vegas does indeed, "rock like a Phat
one."

 P.S. Did you know that all the Motown Chartbuster Cd's are on sale at
HMV for £4.99? Buy them all, it's God's music. Right I'm off now to
sing  Century of Fakers on the 29 bus in the hope that the duke is
surveying his domain.

 Stay lucky, xxx

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From ip211579 at xxx.pt  Sun Apr 26 16:52:28 1998
From: ip211579 at xxx.pt (ANTONIO ZUQUETE)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:52:28 +0100
Subject: Sinister: hopkirk&lee
Message-ID: <199804261551.QAA02319@mail2.ip.pt>

Label- gallery (gal001cd)

	"Hopkirk&lee sublime debut ep features the classic «free arthur lee».
	 A recent single of the week on London´s XFM, the song has been described
	as «two minutes of pure magic»"

	Lush arrangements a la B&S.  COOL !

						Pedro.
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From blink at xxx.net  Sun Apr 26 17:40:48 1998
From: blink at xxx.net (blink at xxx.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:40:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: please think of me as a girl not just a person who buys the records
Message-ID: <199804261640.MAA20475@Vector.inexpress.net>

dear sweet people,
sorry if there are hunters on the list but GRRRRRRRRRR!!!
Around here they are awful,first the hunt on private land,then if you
complain to people they come back at night and kill a couple cows.
i am angered now because my poor little kitty threw her body on the
screen,only to have a noose around her neck (hunting trap) grrrrrrrrrr

Oh everybody is out a pic-nics huh? I am having a picnic on the farm,it was
not originally a B&S picnic but now it is.You call all come.If you see a man
on a tractor with a shot gun just smile and wave and tell him you love
prairie oyster.It's gonna be one big sleepover then picnic the next day is
for the whole day..and we will write songs drunkenly in the fields under the
stars.
You guys get to play twister at your picnics??!! SO lucky..i haven't played
that in ages...games at out picnic include:
-shooting a bottles on tree stumps
-rolling down grassy hills
-digging holes in the ground
-spinning 'round and falling on the ground
ummmm...if we get bored we can race each other on the horses..and climb trees

>Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:36:02 -0600
>From: "Chris Borne" <chrisp1 at xxx.net>
>Subject: Sinister: B&S Crush

>I know I'm silly, but I just can't help it.  Anyone else ever just see
>someone, and be unable to think of 
>another person?   I know this sound stupid, but I thought if anyone may get
>this, it would be some of you
>on this list.   God, I hope she doesn't lurk on this list, but here goes,
>I'll proclaim my pubescent crush 
>loudly on the Internet.
>Are you out there?
>Chrispy

Oh chrispy,this is very sweet,i hope it all works out.Yes! I know the
feeling..i used to anyways,but one starts to get frustrate when signs of
love are so ignored..so now "i don't love anyone"

Hee hee..arctic woman in the car the other day:
"I really like it when Stuart explodes" me: what!? "when he sings,suddenly
he'll jsut explode..dream of HORRRRSES.." hmmmmm
 
luvvvv,
Genevieve :)

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From ip211579 at xxx.pt  Sun Apr 26 17:37:28 1998
From: ip211579 at xxx.pt (ANTONIO ZUQUETE)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:37:28 +0100
Subject: Sinister: BANDS ... 
Message-ID: <199804261635.RAA06784@mail2.ip.pt>

Does anyone knows a band called  CAMERA OBSCURA ?
( Glasgow outfit who number Belle&Sebastian among their admirers ).

					Pedro
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From chris.jones at xxx.uk  Sun Apr 26 20:54:43 1998
From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1998 20:54:43 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I need a bath
Message-ID: <19980426195550232.AAA203@default>

chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk
http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm
http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/tiger/

I need a bath.

Chris Jones.
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From johnj at xxx.com  Sun Apr 26 21:53:34 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Jackson)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:53:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I need a bath
References: <19980426195550232.AAA203@default>
Message-ID: <35439ECE.2DF1@seahouses.u-net.com>

Chris Jones wrote:
> 
> chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk
> http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm
> http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/tiger/
> 
> I need a bath.
> 
> Chris Jones.

I'm happy to say this is one of the most pointless emails
I have ever received. Keep up the good work.

JJ

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From Andreas.Hering at xxx.de  Sun Apr 26 23:49:14 1998
From: Andreas.Hering at xxx.de (Perfection As A Hipster)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:49:14 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Sinister: The Catalysts from Glasgow !?
Message-ID: <199804262249.AAA06389@studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de>

I'm sorry to bother with a fairly unrelated question, but since some of you
are living in Glasgow I'm wondering whether anyone has ever heard of The
Catalysts which must have been around before 1994 and featured Kenneth
"Kennie" Forte (formerly of The Golden Dawn and Christine's Cat) ... I'd
need to know in which year their extremely marvellous demos were recorded
and would be delighted to learn about the whereabouts of the other band
members ... I'm too lazy to write snail mail letters and I'd need the
information quickly, y'know. Please e-mail me privately.

"It's raining"

Andreas

The rain it raineth on the just
And also on the unjust fella
But more upon the just because 
The unjust steals the just's umbrella

(Charles Baron Bowen)

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From ahalter at xxx.edu  Mon Apr 27 01:41:03 1998
From: ahalter at xxx.edu (ahalter)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:41:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: i wanna live in los angeles
Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.94.980426172948.24767A-100000@nunki.usc.edu>

well but yes i already do...
this is for suggesting a picnic date los angeles listers...
courtney suggested the 2nd or 9th of may and i would like to cast my vote
for the 2nd as after that it will be many graduation parties and that sort
of thing at _our_ (surprise!) school and i have some of those to attend
its just my selfishness but i think that may 2nd is the day i think is
best... of course this means we will have to throw things together in a
bit of a rush but i think we can manage!
and where will this lovely picnic be? should we take advantage of the fact
that we live and make everyone else jealous by picnicing on the beach? or
we could go to griffith park which is rather nice too but very big and i
dunno where the best place to meet up would be - the observatory? 
so that is my proposal i think i will say to email me privately so that we
donot clutter up this list too much also if there are things that people
want to bring shall we all bring a dish to share? i am vegan and if there
is anyone else who has things they cannot eat or whatnot we will work it
out
and courtney i am emailing you as soon as i am done with this so that we
might work something out as i think that we are the most obviously in the
same vicinity...
so los angeles and surrounding area people lets go!
take care
allison






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From conform at xxx.edu  Mon Apr 27 08:37:26 1998
From: conform at xxx.edu (eeyore's tail)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:37:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: hopkirk&lee
In-Reply-To: <199804261551.QAA02319@mail2.ip.pt>
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.980427003603.6810A-100000@elwha.evergreen.edu>



On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, ANTONIO ZUQUETE wrote:

> Label- gallery (gal001cd)
> 
> 	"Hopkirk&lee sublime debut ep features the classic �free arthur lee�.
> 	 A recent single of the week on London�s XFM, the song has been described
> 	as �two minutes of pure magic�"
 
   does anyone know if this is a cover of the make*up song "free arthur 
lee" that's on the k records IPU 85 record?
 
   seamus
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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Mon Apr 27 09:26:44 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:26:44 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: Feedback from the website
References: <4be5b272.35422e8c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <35444143.D8B1854F@virgin.net>

as two people kindly pointed out, i neglected to include carolina
menedez's e-mai for people to mail her, anyhow, to correct that;

Carolina Menendez (roca11 at hotmail.com)

and again, if you have a moment and would like to make someone smile in
spain, just send her a chirpy e-mail as she really wants to hear from
other people who like b&s and hasn't met many in spain.

thanks again

david

someone wrote:
> 
> Dear David
> 
>         I would like to send an email to Carolina Menedez--but I didn't see her email
> address in the message that you forwarded to Sinister.  Am I blind?  Probably.
> No, I do not live in Spain, but I can still try to bring a smile to her face.
> We all need to smile a bit more anyway.
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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Mon Apr 27 09:47:29 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:47:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: PICNICS
Message-ID: <35444621.3A3DEDC4@virgin.net>

I've updated the details to reflect the fact that two picnics have
passed (and please, let us know how they were dearies!), i've also added
a few things to the london details, such as a number for an ansaphone on
the day where ou can pick up last minute changes and directions to the
hill. plus added the carious games that are now going to be there.

katrina and i were talking about the picnics over the weekend and
thought that it would work better if, instead of bringing just your own
meal, how about everyone bring an item to go into a communal type buffet
thing. for example, bring some pringles/crisps and some dips, or how
about a pile of rolls with a slab of cheese (remember to bring a bread
knife!), even better some quiche. we will supply a great pile of paper
plates and napkins and probably some crisps and dips too. but everything
else is up to you.
if you're going to bring a large item (cake? massive quiche? 100 sausage
rolls?), let me know and i'll put the info on the web page and ansaphone
so that other people can see/hear and bring other stuff instead!
anyhow, the reason for the great biog buffet? well it's cheap, only a
couple of quid max and would supply a great pile food, so we can eat at
leisure and just luxuriate all afternoon! also, it's very much a
communal thing in that the community spirit would shout through the
roof, and then we can all discard life and it's trials and run of and
live up a hill somewhere with Honey and Peter Miller!

david :)

looking forward to it? you bloody should be!
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From Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 27 10:16:59 1998
From: Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk (Huw Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:16:59 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Dog on Wheels?
Message-ID: <61D51AF2F749D11196EA00805F387D44034F8D@RMF1>

Anyone know the name of the song after The State I'm In on Dog on Wheels
as my brother gave me a copy of the EP yesterday with no track titles
and I reckon it's my favourite B&S song ...ever.

Also, any London picnic goers like playing 'shithead'.
 
creme chantilly,
Huw
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From koogydelbbog at xxx.com  Mon Apr 27 10:54:02 1998
From: koogydelbbog at xxx.com (andrew dean)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:54:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: re: Dog On Wheels
Message-ID: <19980427095402.4311.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>

ok, all this fun with translators and the like, i thought i'd put
huw's last message through my patented english-grouch translator and
here's what i got:

Huw Jenkins (Huw.Jenkins at rmf.co.uk)
Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:16:59 +0100 

>Anyone know the name of the song after The State I'm In on Dog on
Wheels
>as my brother gave me a copy of the EP yesterday with no track titles
>and I reckon it's my favourite B&S song ...ever.

"my brother has ripped off a copy of dog on wheels for me cos i'm too
cheap to buy my own. i'm also too lazy to fire up my web browser and
look at any of the 4 or 5 sites that will tell me the information i
need so instead i'll bother 500 people with an email asking them"

>------ =_NextPart_000_01BD71C5.9E624BE0
>Content-Type: application/ms-tnef
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

>eJ8+IgIJAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy
>b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQWAAwAOAAA

"i also don't know how to use my email software so i'll continually
send them pages and pages of base64 encoded crap"

there, that was fun.

btw, the dog on wheels ep runs thus:

Dog On Wheels
The State I Am In
String Bean Jean
Belle And Sebastian

andy
who sometimes wonders why he bothers.
==
andrew dean (koogydelbbog at yahoo.com)


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From aevans at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 27 12:38:09 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:38:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Fleet Management Charges
Message-ID: <01BD71D9.56AA86A0@pc07628>


David Fanclub typebloke wrote :

>so yes, come, bring some friends and some pringles or snacks to share,
>you're welcome, and so is everyone else, NO EXCEPTIONS.

>we're accommodating, so long as you'll find space for us.

So much innuendo.

You can have me Pringles but I will not share my good lady with anyone.. thank you all the same !!!

Come to think of it I must get my apology in early and say that as much as I am looking forward to crawling out of my shell that is Exeter and meeting some more of you lovely folks, it is going to have to wait until the Autumn shows I'm afraid - cash crisis 'n all that.  I do hope you all have a Famous Five (hundred??) sort of a day without too much bellyache.

PICNICS ?? I PREFER LIONBARS.

And whilst we're on the subject.........
-- 
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I have not got child-bearing hips.....alright ?
Adrian Evans
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From John.Johnston at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 27 13:27:58 1998
From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:27:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: nic nacks
Message-ID: <199804271226.NAA09645@hgty.capgemini.co.uk>

Had a lovely if brief time at the Glasgow picnic on Saturday. I was in
Glasgow for my best friend's wedding (there being no cinemas in
Hammersmith...) and hung around for the meet up. It was a real pleasure
to meet all you good good people - hello to Chris, Keith, Paul and my
ferris wheel pal Julia, Owen and the lot of ya.

I'm hoping to appear in future BandS tunes after thrilling Stuart M with
the aplomb with which I handed out the cheesey sticks...

"Boy in the park
Having a lark
As you're handing out the dips:
The cheesy straws and salty chips
That onion bread thing..."

And somebody (not a listee I hasten to add) offered me drugs in the
toilet of that pub we went to after the heavens opened!!! This has never
happened to me before and as I don't know the first thing about drugs I
was amazed/fascinated/embarrased so I made my excuses and left. But what
a polite young man, I thought. Coz drugs are dead expensive aren't they
but there he was offering me a go (or whatever you have with white
powdery christaline drugs). How charming

Glasgow's miles better

John
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From ronbarrett at xxx.ie  Mon Apr 27 10:53:00 1998
From: ronbarrett at xxx.ie (Barrett R)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:53 +0200 (CET-DST)
Subject: Sinister: Hopkirk and Lee/Seymour Stein
Message-ID: <01IWDA4T00KU007JJD@vms.eurokom.ie>


Hello all

In response to the people who have mentioned H & L
over the last few days, if you see the single BUY IT.
I came across it at the weekend for 2 quid and remembered
somebody talking about it on the list so I took a chance.
4 songs, 10 minutes, not a second wasted.  It's great.
I hope there's more to follow.
Thanks to whoever mentioned it in the first place.

I was listening to "Seymour Stein" at the weekend and
I noticed for the first time the line about Chris(I think) looking like
Johnny Marr "Before he went Electronic".  Is this what
Stevie sings or did I imagine it?  It brought a huge smile to
my face regardless.

Ronan
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From cleonard at xxx.COM  Mon Apr 27 14:43:27 1998
From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:43:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: nic nacks
Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=Murray_Johnstone%l=CARDHU-980427134327Z-6530@cardhu.murrayj.com>



>>Had a lovely if brief time at the Glasgow picnic on Saturday. I was in
>>Glasgow for my best friend's wedding (there being no cinemas in
>>Hammersmith...) and hung around for the meet up. It was a real pleasure
>>to meet all you good good people - hello to Chris, Keith, Paul and my
>>ferris wheel pal Julia, Owen and the lot of ya.

And indeed hello right back atcha.  And to each and everyone of you
wonderful   indie style picnic filmstars.  Owen, Julia pointed out later
on I'd been calling you Colin all day.  Sorry, how embarrassing.  As was
most of my turbo alcohol injected patter  in the later hours of the
afternoon oops.  We should have had name tags.   Either that or I should
have paid more attention.    Sorry to everyone.  I was rather excited
you realise.  But Linda does look like Cameron Diaz, you know its true.

It was a great day though, it was *fine*.  For youz that didn't make it
let
me set the scene....

It was a great sunshiney morning y'all  .  About five to one it turned
into the rainiest day in the whole world ever.   We all got wet apart
from honeyPaul cos he had an umbrella.  Stuart Murdoch was there.  Paul
had a splendid idea for a game - see who could kick stuart murdoch up
the arse in a father ted stylee ha ha.   I bet i get a row for saying
that - i had the idea to see who could be the first to get stuart
murdochs hat on their head.  i won, probably because i didn't advertise
the fact a game was in progress.

It stopped raining long enough for us to scoff some cheese things and a
fairy cake, so that was good. Then we went and played in the jungle
place in botanic gardens.

>That onion bread thing..."

HA HA  I thought the dough with bits on it was tasty but no else did.
Safeway dough and onion cheese bread.  Great stuff.  I tell you later on
in the afternoon those dairylea things were oh easily the tastiest thing
in taste.

Then we went to the pub and i got drunk.   Later in the evening i
thought i was fireproof and burned my tongue.  That's how good a day i
had.  And all you boys and girls with a glint in your eye for the boy
murdoch will be glad to know he is every bit as lovely as you want him
to be.  He's really good at telling stories hehe.  

Unusually however, I did not get offered any drugs in the toilets.....or
maybe i did but i didn't notice.  Lord i was rather silly.   I dont
think i'm telling how it was very well, someone take over........i'm
shrinking.....ABANDON LETTER

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From honey at xxx.net  Mon Apr 27 14:52:53 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:52:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: picnic niccy naccy noo nahs
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980427144947.29370D-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>

Cheerleaders and perverts,

I see Chris just beat me to the Glasgow picnic report - but that's OK
because he didn't mention anything in the pub - funny that.  I had a
suspicion he'd forgotten it all when he mailed me this morning and
said could I do a report and he would "follow it up".  He wanted to
make sure what really happened I think.

Well the day in Glasgow started spiffingly when, not wanting to be
the first because that's not C!O!O!L!, I wandered in John Smiths and
flicking through their small and perfectly formed CD collection I
found some cracking stuff, including "Songs For The Jet Set".  I have
everyone's favourite Thai listee, Oon to thank for this who sent me
the most fabulous tape of stuff, of which Tomorrows World's "Kites
Are Fun" briefly eclipsed "Je T'Aime" as world's greatest pop song
last week for ten minutes, which is something of a record.

Wow.  Sentence two and I am babbling.  OK - we were due to meet at
1pm outside Fopp Records on the Byres Road for a blissful lazy
butterfly-strewn Christopher Robin picnic - at 12:58 the heavens
opened and it pissed down, which I thought was quite funny.  We met a
huddled group of about 15 wet B&S people (wet as in damp, I should
add) hiding in the shop doorway - guess which dickhead had brought an
umbrella ("for goodness sake Paul, it's a picnic you don't need one
of THEM..").  Chris and Keith looked like bag ladies with their
cheesy straws and dips and fairy cakes.  Anyway, we all bravely
trudged off to the botanics, picking up a dodgy looking character on
the way, some Stuart Smirnoff or someone who "said" he sang in a
"band".   We're friendly types so we tossed him a few sandwiches
without checking his credentials.  When we got there, we sat on a
bench in a line like we were waiting for the doctor, nibbled like
rabbits and fed the pigeons.

It started pissing down again so we ran for the big Victorian
greenhouse thingy and admired a rather plasticky orchid show in true
B&S spirit and Mr Smirnoff showed us his 60s camera he keeps in a
sponge bag.  After a bit the murmurs of "pubbb" from Chris Leonard
got too much, so Keith got us all together, tied our shoelaces and
wiped out mucky faces, and led us off in a row to the pub.

That was it really.  We went to the pub.  We stayed there for - was 7
hours and a jolly time was had by all 15 (approx of us).  All I can
remember is: 

 o Much amusement at Linda's clip from the Daily Record about Arab Strap
   being a "disgrace to Falkirk" (the mayor)

 o The appearance of Keith's genetically engineered clone, Leon 

 o Stuart's story about being trapped in a hawthorne hedge for half
   an hour by a herd of wild ferocious cows

 o An unhealthy fascination with testicles and medical experiments -
   not in the B&S spirit I feel

 o Ghost stories

 o Garlic dip all over everyone's coats

 o Stuart's rain-shrunken dog on wheels hat doing the rounds

 o Chris peeing his pants

It all started running down in numbers around 8 oclock, but Susannah
kept us all going with tales of missing ears.  I can't report on the
rest of the evening, as mummy said I had to go home, but it sounds
like noone else can really either - I wait with bated breath.

Anyway hello to everyone like Anne, Julia, David, Stuart's mate Paul
who promises he'll join the list, oh god I can't remember all your
names, but thanks for coming anyway and especially to those of you
who didn't know anyone at all - we're not that bad really are we?  Oh
and thanks a million to Keith and Anne and Chris and Julia or whoever
it was who bought all the food.  Resounding success seems to be the
general opinion, so there will be more, although whether we will have
the gall to keep calling them "picnics" and stretching the Kitchen
concept to the limit remains to be seen.

Sunday saw a little soiree in Edinburgh with Linda, Keith, Susannah
and Mick, fresh and besuited from an Amphetameanies gig, all stuffing
curry down their gobs.  Guess what we talked about?  Bull's
testicles.  I begin to see a theme emerging for the new LP...

Honey xxx


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From 9502673j at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 27 16:03:58 1998
From: 9502673j at xxx.uk (Iain)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:03:58 +0000
Subject: Sinister: nic nacks 
Message-ID: <13DAA645D89@student.gla.ac.uk>

Chris said
>Sorry, how embarrassing.  As was
>most of my turbo alcohol injected patter  in the later hours of the
>afternoon oops.  We should have had name tags.

Ah, the pub.
Oh dear.
I think I must owe someone a hell of a lot of drinks, but people kept 
offering to buy me them, so I just drank and drank and failed to 
recognise Stuart Murdoch, and then, in an attempt to be sociable, 
started talking rubbish to whoever happened to be sitting beside me 
at the time.
Anyway, I enjoyed the bits I can still remember.
Hi (and appologies) to everyone who was there.
Luv Iain
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Mon Apr 27 15:27:15 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:27:15 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Pish Factory
Message-ID: <01bd71e8$93db0e00$LocalHost@itjfvkli>

Good afternoon everyone,

Before I embark upon a lengthy discussion of P!O!L!I!T!I!C!S! and P!O!P!
with special reference to the Jamaican general election of 1976, I would
like to take this opportunity to clear up a matter of great importance:
Stuart David's Amazing Technicolour Outburst. May I suggest the following
manner of expressing Mister David's tortured cry of monumental existential
anguish ("Listen, this is pish, I think I'll leave") in the language of
Cervantes?

A ver, esto es pish, me parece que me voy a marchar.

Now, I hope that's cleared that one up. Onto the matter in hand: Popology
and politics. First off, I rather enjoyed the Redskins' classic workers'
anthem "Keep On Keeping On", which played a major role in the formation of
the South Derbyshire Union of Democratic Mineworkers, whose Swadlincote
offices can be found next to KwikSave, opposite the dentist's. Edwina Currie
country, as was. Which brings us neatly to another pop-politics ley line :
Edwina Currie's daughter. Last time I was in Blighty, she was mouthing off
about how her daughter was a really great singer and the Spice Girls were
all slags. Did anything ever come of it? The Jamaican general elections of
1976 produced some really great pop - Fire in Kingston by Yabby You springs
to mind, in which Yabby tours the war zones that were Kingston's ghettos in
the election year of 1976; the rhythm was played by Sly and Robbie at
Channel One. I made that up. There's loads more. I must say, I do like a bit
of pop and politics, the more simplistic the better. But I don't think B&S
is ever so political, apart from sticking up for drips or something. Now,
the Style Council, there was a good political group. I don't know why they
get such rotten press these days.

I almost bought a "new" album for the first time this year at the weekend -
CappaDonna. But I chickened out. I have been calling Mog-W-A-I Mog A-W-I !
How embarrassing!

I think I'd better slink back off to my hole. Speaking of which, I had a
very B&S experience yesterday. I found a bird's nest in a hole in a wall. Oh
how lovely!

Peter

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From steve at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 27 15:42:44 1998
From: steve at xxx.uk (Steve Genge)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:42:44 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Hopkirk and Lee/Seymour Stein
Message-ID: <E0yTpBH-0006AM-00@post.mail.demon.net>


> Hello all
> 
> In response to the people who have mentioned H & L
> over the last few days, if you see the single BUY IT.

For all you US listees out there, the Hopkirk & Lee single has been
released in your fair land this week as a four song 7".  Also Rough Trade
in London have it apparently.  In the same manner as phone messages from my
mother all the other important information like cat numbers & label details
have passed through my brain & hid behind the sofa but hopefully someone
else may be able to help with this?


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From MFKX7HVB at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 27 12:04:46 1998
From: MFKX7HVB at xxx.uk (Henry)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:04:46 gmt0bst
Subject: Sinister: re shithead
Message-ID: <2D4194036@orpheus.man.ac.uk>

YES! Huw,  
    can't remember how to play shithead but I remember its a great 
game.  (As long as you mean that cardgame).
    
    Late book recommendation: anything by Hendrik Willem Van Loon is 
an extremely enjoyable read.  His "Lives" is my alltime favorite book.
    Love Henry.
    
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From 9607260m at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 27 18:35:31 1998
From: 9607260m at xxx.uk (David S Mccarthy)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:35:31 +0000
Subject: Sinister: picnics for really scared easily intimidated people.
Message-ID: <2A0181B299B@lms.student.gla.ac.uk>

I'm writing on behalf of all those people who are too scared to go to 
picnics 'cause they don't know anthyone. On saturday morning I 
found myself with such a problem and was frantically watching channel 
five and chain smoking while my flatmate who said she'd come to hold 
my hand insisted on staying in bed untill 12:40, adamant that it 
would only take her 3 minutes to shower and ten minutes to walk up to 
Byres road.

It took her 5 minutes to shower and it took us twenty to reach byres 
road. It had started raining halfway through our journey and by the 
time we reached fopp the other waiting listees looked even more scary 
due to their bedraggled rain-soaked appearance.

But appearances can be decieving and they all turned out to be dead 
nice. The picnic itself was interesting, with scotch eggs, fairy 
cakes and the scary bloke with cheese sticks.Then the orchid show, 
then the pub. It was bizzare, at first it was just wierd sitting with 
people you don't really know but then people started talking about 
the list and then more abstract things like being chased by cows and 
medical problems mostly to do with testicles.

Then all too soon my flat mate started to feel queezy due lack of 
sleep and abuse of alcohol,nicotine etc and had to leave, strangely 
drawn to farmfoods where she felt obliged to but three arctic roles 
for £1.39-bargin! I left soon after, happy with a day well spent.

So hello to everybody I met, 
And anybody considering going to a similar event - don't be scared 


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From thaiant at xxx.gov  Mon Apr 27 18:59:08 1998
From: thaiant at xxx.gov (Thaian N Ton )
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:59:08 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Colourings & Drawings
References: <353F4F6F.1DD8C4E3@virgin.net> <3540B752.E3D1F930@pop.nci.nih.gov> <35411DA2.843EDEFC@lineone.net>
Message-ID: <3544C763.7FEE8A89@pop.nci.nih.gov>

Listees,

Clarification on what i said last week, I feel, was sorely needed.

duke of harringay wrote :

> > dc-B&S:  anyone for the tibetan freedom concert june 13-14?  i just
> > have to
> > say: radiohead, rem, beck & pulp are playing.  only thing that seems to
> be missing is b&s.  do you
> > think
> > we could request them to get a little political for a good cause? ;)
>
> hmmm. do you think b& s are a-political? seems to me they are the most
> political band i've heard for many years, certainly WAY more political
> than all the other bands you mentioned...

i wasn't suggesting that b&s aren't political, nor was i suggesting they
are a-political-- i was merely suggesting that they could be political for
a good cause in this case.  Furthermore, i was not passing judgment on
whether any of the aforementioned bands, were political or not (and i
certainly wasn't comparing their political statements to b&s'); merely that
the cause for freedom of tibet is a political cause & the bands that are
involved are performing for a political cause.

all clear?

xoxo, thaian (wee chi chi)
 ***

Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding.
Even as the stone of the fruit must break, that its heart may stand in the
sun, so must you know pain.
And could you keep your heart in wonder at the daily miracles of your life,
your pain would not seem less wondrous than your joy;
And you would accept the seasons of your heart, even as you have always
accepted the seasons that pass over your fields.
And you would watch with serenity through the winters of your grief.
Much of your pain is self-chosen.
                                From "The Prophet", Kahlil Gibran

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From cja1000 at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 27 18:04:19 1998
From: cja1000 at xxx.uk (Chris)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:04:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: pique-nique
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980427180325.14242A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

Cambridge (UK) picnic anybody? Mail me, all you Hermes people.

Chris

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From Ciflux at xxx.com  Mon Apr 27 18:04:53 1998
From: Ciflux at xxx.com (Ciflux)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:04:53 EDT
Subject: Sinister: so did that NYC picnic happen?
Message-ID: <4fadfeb.3544bab6@aol.com>

...because it poured rain all day.  Callie and I had every intention of going
-- I even phoned Megan to see if it was still happening, waking her from a
sound sleep -- but there seemed to be no word about alternate plans.  And as
poetic an image it might provide to spend Sunday afternoon huddled in a rainy
Central Park, it didn't seem like the optimal picnicking atmosphere.  Is there
a rain date scheduled?  We really should have a proper outdoor picnic in
NYC...

Mike
ciflux at aol.com
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From sgold06 at xxx.edu  Mon Apr 27 18:54:46 1998
From: sgold06 at xxx.edu (Steven Jay Goldman)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:54:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: pique-nique
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980427180325.14242A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980427135309.29419A-100000@larry.cc.emory.edu>

Hey, Atlanta B&Sers...

anyone want to take advantage of the sun we've had lately, and do a
nice Candler Park B&S picnic?  I don't know if there's enough of us for a
picnic, but email me, and let's find out!

--Steven

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From J.M.Taylor at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 27 18:57:12 1998
From: J.M.Taylor at xxx.uk (Taylor JM)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:57:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: err long time coming (matron)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980427174311.16582A-100000@exeter>


ermmm where to start....

firstly....massive sorry to julia,paul,martin and every else i met in
mancjester (mmm nice typo) john of the ferris wheel and co,  i'm really
sorry i haven't been touch - 4 months since the marvelous mancunian
matinee + soirees (sp?) and even a copy of the delightful xmas radio show
tape from julia and what have i done ---- nout.  not even a thankyou for
that.
public shameandapology. ermmm i guess no excuses really - work @ ye olde 
nut house being as chaotic as ever, comibined with the fact the only
chance i usually ever get to use email is in the hour after work which
isn;t always after work if you catch my drift. anyway apologies aside - i
hope all the lovely people i met in manchester are happy and well.

only list contact since was seeing Tag + mr poetry soc ?stephen? who's
name i may have got wrong (v.sorrry :(  ) @ snowpony @ waterrats.....
when i think i probably seemed fairly spaced out, cos, i erm was.
spaced outness post big yoga sesh + too many pints of guinness (forgetting
the promise to myself no big seshs with work the next day) + being taller
than people you are with and not being able to hear stuff they're saying
half the time prob made me seem major weirdo so apologies tag + x if i
came across rather distant....look i finally posted.

on a poetry tip, i'm about to produce a booklet of patients' poems, with 
some fine prose from a poetry group i do each week on the ward and beyond.
so maybe i'll force some of them on you lot (like how you go round to a
friends house with a bag full of records entirley uninvited like i do
occasioanly (the  records uninvited that is, not me....anywyay... 


thank the non-existant lord i finally got back into the land of e + web to
discover the london picnic - shall have to relocate minor get together of
mixed friends (some B&S fans, some B&S virgins....i know i'm incredibly
slack at forcing tapes on people) to primrose hill. is anybody i saw/met
in manchester going to be there?? erm i was
longhairglassessidiespurplejeansman......

nice to see Harringay best signed fruit'n'veg emporium making an
appearance on the list, have never graced it but passed it on the bus a
few times.


off for lots of beer and 2.75 quid eat all you can eat veg curry.

Angel Islington hate the overexpensive packed pubs.love the curry :)

perhaps we could all migrate their post picnic....mmmm maybe not, not
exactly in camden.

last time i went to primrose hill was one of the most fun times of my life
- post big pub sesh slegding february a couple of years ago marvellous.

and its mentioned in sir Bragg's 'upfield'.  + prob in elvis cost's l's
brill parade. only can't remeber. 

up the arab strap. (if its not to painful...

jim

+ has anybody heard of/ have opininon of dj downfall....?

cheers peeps.

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From johnj at xxx.com  Mon Apr 27 18:52:36 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Jackson)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:52:36 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Dog on Wheels?
References: <61D51AF2F749D11196EA00805F387D44034F8D@RMF1>
Message-ID: <3544C5E4.72B4@seahouses.u-net.com>

Huw Jenkins wrote:
> 
> Anyone know the name of the song after The State I'm In on Dog on Wheels
> as my brother gave me a copy of the EP yesterday with no track titles
> and I reckon it's my favourite B&S song ...ever.

As far as I know the Dog On Wheels EP is still available in the shops,
surely this is an act of piracy and the proper authorities should be
told.

anyway the track is either Belle and Sebastian or String Bean Jean

JJ
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From LeslieH at xxx.COM  Mon Apr 27 19:48:13 1998
From: LeslieH at xxx.COM (Lesley Higgins)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:48:13 -0400
Subject: Sinister: NYC Picnic 
Message-ID: <01F2E5A1F9BBD01186420000C0DBCFDB1137F6@NTMIS>

April 27 @ 1:05 PM Mike (ciflux at aol.com) wrote: 

Is there a rain date scheduled?

That's what I want to know, if it can be rescheduled for maybe next
Sunday
perhaps we can organize the food a bit too.
Awful weekend, Saturday the Hoboken police towed my car...

Lesley  
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From Lzylnepntr at xxx.com  Mon Apr 27 20:06:52 1998
From: Lzylnepntr at xxx.com (Lzylnepntr)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:06:52 EDT
Subject: Sinister: CAMERA OBSCURA
Message-ID: <1292ee92.3544d750@aol.com>

does anyone know where to get a hold of a copy of the Camera Obscura album in
the US? i cannot seem to find it anywhere
regards,
y
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From nicolina at xxx.com  Mon Apr 27 20:10:41 1998
From: nicolina at xxx.com (Nicole Elger)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:10:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: mishmash
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980427101014.9420A-100000@drizzle.com>


On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 Ayacolor <Ayacolor at aol.com> wrote:

>Subject: Sinister:Seattle listeeeeees

>Hi boys and girls.
>Your colorful Aya again and  again.
>I'm going to move near Seattle.
>Anyone there?
>And anyone think about picnic there?
---------------

Dear colorful Aya, 

We think about picnics all the time here in sunny Seattle. I was just in
Volunteer Park yesterday afternoon, lounging on the grassy slope near the
reservoir, thinking about picnics while a line from a Neutral Milk Hotel
song cycled through my mind..."but for now we are young let us lie in the
sun and count every beautiful thing we can see...."

In addition to the current Seattle listees (i know of just one other one,
so anyone else please mail me privately), it looks like the Portland
contingent would be willing to road trip for a good reason: 

On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 "Courtney Knopf" <vegasbaby at hotmail.com> wrote:
> And if there is anyone in the Portland/Seattle area on here, you drop me
> a line too. I'll be home in Portland all summer and would love to plan a
> picnic there too!      

(Courtney, we'll let you know as soon as we get something planned.)

Aya, you are not the only one on the verge of Seattle migration. Another
list member visited from Southampton UK a few weeks ago and now he's
decided to move here (yippee!) and eat falafel sandwiches at our picnics. 
He and I went to the Sit and Spin (combination cafe/club/laundromat) one
night, after being shut out of the Pastels show due to Sleater-Kinney
Mania, when a boy and girl approached and asked if they could share our
booth. Sure, we said, and then they beckoned to their 4 other friends and
the whole lot piled in beside us, making for a cozy situation.  We started
chatting with the boy and straight away the topic went to music. We played
the whole "do you like X band? what about Y band?" for a good 10 minutes
and the boy was amazed and elated to find two people who not only had
heard of, but actually liked, many of the same bands. 

The boy went quiet for a minute and then with this hesitant, nearly
lip-biting expression on his face, geared up and said "Ok, there's this
one other band I have to ask you about. I don't know whether you'd know
them or not, but I just really like them and .." <<Insert one long moment,
as my Southampton friend and I look at each other across the table,
thinking oh god, if he says it we'll just die!>> The Boy continues, with
this unsure-if-this-is-ok-to-mention tone, ".. and well, they're called
Belle and Sebastian..?"

After we recover from the burst of emotion that follows his innocent
question, we explain that yes, one could say we have heard of them (ha!). 
The boy decides we are his new favorite people and when his friends want
him to go into the other room he declines, saying, "No thanks, I'm going
to stay here and talk to Belle and Sebastian some more."

He's not on the list, but we'll be sure to invite him to our picnic.

xo, nicole.

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 27 17:36:36 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:36:36 +0100
Subject: Sinister: i hate picnics. humph.
Message-ID: <MJ$mdBAUQLR1EwUz@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

i hate you all.

but i am better than you. while you were all having fun going to
picnincs, or at least you can still look forward to going to one, I have
a clean bathroom! i cleaned my bathroom, HA.

can't go to London picninc. cos for the simple reason tis on MONDAY and
i have to be in college on TUESDAY. have hard exams the next week so
cannot miss lessons as i haven't had one for five weeks anyway. haha.
i'm going to fail Spanish. i don't know anything. all i remeber is
aburrise is to be bored. god knows why THAT is what i remember...

duke : i can't be arsed, i give up. there you go, i'm how you thought
after all. well whats the point in arguing when nothings going to happen
anyway? lets all listen to the spice girls. OH no.

picnics. ah, they are for ponces. i am not at all pigsick i missed out.
hah. hey guess what! next weekend i am going to....CLEAN THE KITCHEN!
yey. oh the sarcasm must be becoming tedious now. who cares. self pity
rules and my life does not. can't even afford to go see Arab Strap. or
Magoo, or anything. 

i am lucky at least *i* can still get a bus pass to be able to get into
Preston everday. fuckers. no-on eat college gives a shit anymore, and i
hate the majority of them. hmm, apathy. sometimes its not apathy, its
just that WE ARE POWERLESS. they may listen, but nothing will change cos
of what we do.

oh sorry i've just had a bad couple of MINUTES (problem?) and am feeling
quite bitter.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
" fotherington thomas who does lark around saying hello trees hello flowers. he 
is a wet and a weed and i shun him utterly"
                         http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk

                
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From johnj at xxx.com  Mon Apr 27 21:03:41 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Jackson)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:03:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: a stupid advert
Message-ID: <3544E49D.57E9@seahouses.u-net.com>

I just saw the daftest advert from the Environment Agency, about
having a fishing ROD licence if you are fishing somewhere, and guess
who the bloke was who was fishing (possibly) illegally?

ROD Corkhill (or rather the actor who played him)

are the ad agencies trying to fuck with my brain? do they think
they are being FUNNY?

Could have been worse I suppose, it could have been Roddney, who has
been very, very quiet since that rubbish he spouted.

JJ
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From suzsch at xxx.net  Mon Apr 27 22:48:11 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:48:11 -0500
Subject: Sinister: sinister singles?
Message-ID: <199804272146.QAA22552@smtp2.mailsrvcs.net>

Clear this up for me once and for all.  Are there any singles of B&S?  Not
the eps, but actual singles because I could have sworn that I saw them
listed somewhere, yet everyone I've ever talked to said that there aren't
any.    I even went into a music shop which had a pretty good selection of
imports and got really excited when the clerk said "yeah, we had some" yet
he was only talking about the dog on wheels ep that they had sold anyway. 
I want b-sides because I'm a hungry little monster for this stuff.

s.s.
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From S.D.Maclean at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 27 23:02:39 1998
From: S.D.Maclean at xxx.uk (Stuart Maclean)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:02:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: mishmash
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980427101014.9420A-100000@drizzle.com> (message
	from Nicole Elger on Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:10:41 -0700 (PDT))
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980427101014.9420A-100000@drizzle.com>
Message-ID: <5705.199804272202@penelope.ecs.soton.ac.uk>

Wow, a B+S fan from Southampton, what you mean Southampton, Hampshire,
surely not ;-) Sounds like a real ink polaroid moment that guy Stanton
(!), I can just see it now.  I may know that Southampton guy, is he on
email? More news, Southampton in "good club alert", the Fish Tank,
Monday nights 2 quid to get in, drink 1 fifty a pint.  Last week I
remember dancing to Helen Love, Mogwai (sic) and Get Me Away From Here
by our very own B+S.  Recommended for all pop pickers.

BTW, any release date for MRS yet? An when is the London picnic meant
to be?  Hopefully not Saturday coming, I'm off to the Brighton Crawl.

Just my $0.02.

-- 
Stuart
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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Mon Apr 27 23:03:13 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:03:13 +0100
Subject: Sinister: mishmash
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980427101014.9420A-100000@drizzle.com> <5705.199804272202@penelope.ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <354500A1.2AA7C845@virgin.net>

Stuart Maclean wrote:
> BTW, any release date for MRS yet? An when is the London picnic meant
> to be?  Hopefully not Saturday coming, I'm off to the Brighton Crawl.

monday coming, bank holiday monday, so you should have the day off?

david :)
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From cg224 at xxx.uk  Mon Apr 27 23:44:51 1998
From: cg224 at xxx.uk (C. Gregor)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:44:51 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Re: h'lo.
In-Reply-To: <199804271757.SAA11292@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980427231923.26254A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

I greet you all.

having read the sinister list for a few weeks and met some peeps through
mailing them directement I thought I'd take the bright cold plunge into
the land of public emailing. 

gerrronimooooooooooooooooooooo..........

  I've just been out fer a mexican meal with a few friends and am feeling
sated and replete, if a little guilty about having whiled away the day in
the sun rather than trying to remove the 'Bloody bone idle' storm-cloud
from aburve my head. 

I have stuff to do. 

Does anyone  love the Phantom Tolbooth? Isabel Allende? 

or even G-love and Special sauce?

Thanks, all, for the film recommendations (since a while back). Mine would
be Like Water for
Chocolate and House of Games, and The Conversation.

 Anyone in the Cambridge area, please do do do come out of your shells, we
are
going to have a pica nicka some day soon as soon.....even if it's only me
and Chris there... 

 
from

Milla-Isobel.
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From jossleag at xxx.ie  Tue Apr 28 01:56:20 1998
From: jossleag at xxx.ie (Joss & Leagues)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:56:20 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Arthur Lee
Message-ID: <v01530511630bcda9a78d@[194.125.41.234]>

Hello you.
Seamus aka Eeyore's Tail rote about H & L:
>does anyone know if this is a cover of the make*up song "free arthur
>lee" that's on the k records IPU 85 record?
Sadly, no.
I have flu and am going to the dentist on thursday for fillings and root
canal work. This is a poxy state of affairs. I demand your collective
sympathy.
love
joss


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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 28 09:59:03 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:59:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: pique-nique
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980427180325.14242A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980428095824.29657A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>



On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Chris wrote:

> Cambridge (UK) picnic anybody? Mail me, all you Hermes people.
> 
> Chris


yes: let's get it organised.

(particularly since I can't go to the london one.)

espadrille> 
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From the.spod at xxx.com  Tue Apr 28 10:20:39 1998
From: the.spod at xxx.com (The Spod)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:20:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Get me away I'm crying 
Message-ID: <01bd7286$e8aa4920$LocalHost@mbge5dss>

Dear All 
 
 
Sorry this isn't very B&Sy though (I did dream that me and my mate JP were making sandcastles with Stuart's M & D last week)
 
There are two reasons for this mail 
    1) Does anyone have a discograpy for Frente (got a cover of the new order track Bizarre love triangle and it is ace)
    2) I had a mare of a day as I managed to spill tea on my IYFS cd and stuck all the pages together and at the same time knocked the box on the floor and smashed it. If anyone knows of a way I can get a new booklet (and preferably back cover as well as it got damp too) please could they mail me
 
thanx 
The Spod

P.S. Anyone in Manchester Area fancy a Picnic?
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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 28 10:40:41 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:40:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Get me away I'm crying 
Message-ID: <0CD7A823B7CFD111892600A0C943E5AB0E37@kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk>

>  Sorry this isn't very B&Sy though (I did dream that me and my mate JP
> were making sandcastles with Stuart's M & D last week)
Fine.  Does anyone have dreams about *pop stars* OTHER than B&S, or is it
solely their prerogative to turn up in the REM stages of their fans' nights?
>  
> There are two reasons for this mail 
>     1) Does anyone have a discograpy for Frente (got a cover of the new
> order track Bizarre love triangle and it is ace)
Funnily enough, I was listening to Marvin The Album this morning in the car,
which I haven't done for simply aaages, which is very silly of me. 
	That's their first? album (anyone feel free to correct me) and it's
absolootly wonderful!  Ordinary Angels, Accidentally Kelly Street, many
other lovely things as well.
	They have another album as well, called Shape.  I've got it, but
haven't listened to it that much.  I'll have to do something about that in
the near future...
>     
>                               ByeBye,
>                                            Liz
> (edaplynr3n00297 at kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk)
> 
> ***********************
> silence
> 
> .is
> a
> looking
> 
> bird: the
> 
> turn
> ing; edge, of
> life
> 
> (inquiry before snow
> 
>         e.e. cummings
> ***********************
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From MBGE5DSS at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 28 11:40:41 1998
From: MBGE5DSS at xxx.uk (The Spod)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:40:41 BST
Subject: Sinister: more help? plse :)
Message-ID: <314E5FF79BB@fs1.eng.man.ac.uk>

Dear All

Sorry to trouble you again but I am also trying to obtain the whole 
back catalogue of Indie Top Twenty albums (I think they were released 
in conjungtion with the the Melody Maker) on Beechwood Music. For a 
while it was also known as independent20 and I think there were 2 
best of indie top 20 compilations. I only have number 19 and 20 
originals so if anyone can suggest where I could obtain some more I 
would be most happy :)

Hugs + Stuff

TheSpod                         !!The Spod!!
                 "Toddlers - Stormtroopers of the 
                      Dark Lord of Entropy"

      "TACT - Describing others as they see themselves"
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From rewb2 at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 28 13:46:26 1998
From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (Rob B)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:46:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Re: h'lo.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980427231923.26254A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980428134153.8908A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>




>  Anyone in the Cambridge area, please do do do come out of your shells, we
> are
> going to have a pica nicka some day soon as soon.....even if it's only me
> and Chris there... 


yes yes i'll come
but where would it be?
i went out looking for woods the other day but couldn't find any
...maybe by the river somewhere :)

>  

rob


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From rewb2 at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 28 14:00:32 1998
From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (Rob B)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:00:32 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: sunshine smile
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980428134950.8908B-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>


greetings people

all this talk of picnics is getting me all excited, especially now the
weather is starting to get nice.  except whenever i go outside!  i think
i'm cursed - yesterday afternoon i went out to read by the duck pond in
glorious sunshine, and within five minutes there was a thunderstorm
brooding!  pish, i say!

sorry about sending my last message to the whole list, it wasn't really
meant to go to everyone, was a slip of the hand.

i set about trying to convert people to belle and sebastian ages ago, but
now they seem to be trying to convert themselves, i merely need to mention
them in an offhand kind of way, and everyone in the room rushes out and
buys the cd.  surely they are destined to take the world by storm sometime
soon... maybe ;)

ah well, i'd better be going - i've got all sorts of nasty exams to revise
for...  why is it always such lovely weather when exams loom?

bye bye>

rob


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From Runegg at xxx.com  Tue Apr 28 16:12:41 1998
From: Runegg at xxx.com (Runegg)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:12:41 EDT
Subject: Sinister: NEW YORK PICNIC REPORT
Message-ID: <b87227e5.3545f1ea@aol.com>

Here's how the New York picnic went!

We arrived at the Central Park Carousel at 1pm.  The sun was shining and the
weather was sweet.  There were 47 of us.  After bribing the carousel worker
into cranking up the dial, we each got on one of the olde-tyme wooden horses,
and the thing started spinning.  Sweet Dina, unfortunately, was not on a
horse, but rather, on one of those little runty unicorns.  She wanted to
impress us New Yorkers (she'd walked from Washington just for this event), so
she grabbed onto the unicorn horn, and using the torque provided by the
spinning carousel, hung from it, her body flapping outward like so many wind-
whipped flags.  

It was then that disaster occured.

Her sweaty palms slipped from the unicorn's horns and she flew outward,
upward, like so many rocket ships to the moon.  She landed in a tree, where
Cindy, Phkintz, mlk206, and twelve of the other picnic gatherers ran to find
her.  Unfortunately there was not much left of her head.  (On the bright side,
we'd forgotten to pack lunch--and we're not vegetarians!).  We New Yorkers are
a surly bunch, so we started, as they say, "chowing down."  Mm, those
Washington DC people sure do taste funny!

Unfortunately one of New York's finest witnessed our little picnic.
Apparently cannibals need a permit to gather in Central Park.  Cindy tried to
sweet-talk him, to no avail.  He was about to write us a ticket, and he was on
the verge of handcuffing Phkintzshch, but then he heard the sweet strains of
"Fox in the Snow" emanating from Megan's ghetto-blaster, like so many sweet
strains of "Fox in the Snow" emanating from Megan's ghetto-blaster.  His
heart, well, it just melted.  Soon he was like that proverbial "fox in the
snow", dancing around naked, his pink fleshy body jiggling in the spring
breeze.  It was quite beautiful, although we're all sorry about Dina.  

Next time, we'll pack a lunch!

with love,
Ari
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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 28 17:20:57 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:20:57 +0100
Subject: Sinister: People in the dark,  playing games in the park.
Message-ID: <354601E9.6678@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>

First off, a big dog on wheelsy GRRRR! to all you Glasgow picnicers, I'm
so jealous. It all sounded SO B&S! Plastic orchid displays,? rain soaked
cheese straws,? bull's testicles.? Surely an E.P.'s worth of lyrics
there at least. And what was Sussanah doing there? Glasgow's an awfully
long way from home for a poor defenceless forensic scientist. Perhaps it
was another person? But I can't imagine that there's more than one
Sussanah who would happily natter away about missing ears in Glasgow
pubs.
  Any of you up there get to see her infamous drunken picnic table
flamenco?  It's a sight worth seeing I can tell you. Yes sir, she can
boogie!
 Still, only six days till the London twee-fest (I've honing my body
into a lean, fit twister machine for weeks now) and a mere four 'til the
very first Blue Soda. Whooo! too much anticipation. It's like all your
chistmasses coming at once!
 Hurrah, they've started playing 'Lazarus man' off of the new(ish) Terry
Callier Lp in the geeky netcafe I post from. Another Latte and a side
order of bliss please madame. Sorry I'm rambling........

 Nice to know another listee recognises the power and majesty of Johnny
English fruit & veg. We are few but we are strong..
 
 See you all on Friday night/Monday afternoon. Stay Lucky, Rory xxx
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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Tue Apr 28 17:44:56 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:44:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Picnic fears 2
Message-ID: <19980428164456.3825.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>

jim said:

>last time i went to primrose hill was one of the most fun times of my
>life
>- - post big pub sesh slegding february a couple of years ago
>marvellous.
>
>and its mentioned in sir Bragg's 'upfield'.  + prob in elvis cost's l's
>brill parade. only can't remeber. 

And also in the fantastic "Primrose Hill" by Madness (from their 'Sgt
Pepper' , "The Rise And Fall").  I'm very pleased with myself for
having bought that album when I was nine.  Until about two weeks ago,
I thought it had one of the loveliest lines ever in "Although I've
never been there / I wish I was there still".  I grew up thinking it
was a beautifully nonsensical evocation of nostalgia for places and
times you've never experienced.  Then I realised that the 'still' bit
probably didn't refer to a desire for continuation of a past never
experienced, but was a pretty clumsy way of saying 'I wish I was there
nonetheless'.  So then it was all more logical and not so good. <sigh>

Thought: how about incorporating <sigh> into the next version HTML as
a logical tag?

Picnic thoughts:

I'm not scared of coming to the picnic because of not knowing anyone
anymore - thankyou for your kind words David.  However - I am scared
because of the weather.  Did you see the storms yesterday?  What if I
get struck down dead by lightning?

I have a large dog on wheels that I could bring along.  Then again
it's at my mum's and even I got her to bring it to London when she
visits this Saturday, I'd get into real trouble with my sisters if it
got struck by lightning or kidnapped by rowdy kids.

Nick
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From sburon at xxx.fr  Tue Apr 28 20:10:24 1998
From: sburon at xxx.fr (Stephane Buron)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:10:24 +0000
Subject: Sinister: French pique nique
Message-ID: <35462988.33CA@club-internet.fr>

Dear listees...

 i'm sooo bored... Why are you *all* describing the lovely picnics you
have all around the world whereas i'm here, in Paris, preparing myself
to work all night (or almost all night...)??? The weather is awful here
and we could hardly find one or two minutes to rest on the grass in the
parks but i wish we could organise something, some B&S meeting somewhere
near Paris... Unfortunately, i know only two french listees : the first
one is the pretty singer of the band Mumbly (by the way, someone on the
list knows this group -it may be Tag- : they played a great gig last
ffriday, you should have seen them!) and the other one is the famous
Jean Charbon. I know they would be ok to have a picnic, but three would
not be enough... Is there any other listee willing to meet near or in
Paris for that??? Email privately if you do. 

Stéphane

Let's do something pretty while we can...

Danieloo : i'll write as soon as I can :-)
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From keith at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 28 16:28:09 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:28:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Glasgow Picnic
Message-ID: <01bd72ba$3ffc8840$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

Just wanted to say thanks to all the people who turned up for the picnic in
Glasgow at the weekend braving the awful weather - more people than I could
possibly have imagined, in fact it wasn't a picnic, it was a space station.
Personally I thought it was dead funny actually - you can't really expect to
have a picnic without it just chucking it down I suppose - was a nice do in
the pub too and at the art school later. Not really a lot for me to say on
the subject cause everyone's already said everything already... Suffice it
to say that it was great to see everyone again and I'm dead happy everyone
had a good time.

    We will do another one soon, I figure one in Edinburgh and another in
Glasgow, for the Edinburgh one, I'd suggest probably some time in July or
August or so, indeed there are a couple of people coming from the US in
August so perhaps that would a good time for it. I suggest it'll either be
on Portobello beach or perhaps in Braid hills where I was walking about
yesterday and thought it'd make a dead nice spot. When another Glasgow one
will be is to be decided as of yet cause we'll need to wait for some more
information from people, but I'll let everyone know in the fullness of time.

    And all the people who never turned up this time better come along next
time or else :-)


Cheers,
    Keith.


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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 28 18:22:54 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:22:54 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Picnic fears 2
Message-ID: <3546106D.69843F86@easynet.co.uk>

Nick Dastoor wrote:

> I have a large dog on wheels that I could bring along.  Then again
> it's at my mum's and even I got her to bring it to London when she
> visits this Saturday, I'd get into real trouble with my sisters if it
> got struck by lightning or kidnapped by rowdy kids.

Why don't we make our own Dogs on Wheels with real pooches and bits off
prams ? We could push them down the hill, and laugh gaily at there puzzled
expressions.

It would be an hilarious farrago.


regards,

yerluvinuncleTurt

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From 106226.554 at xxx.com  Tue Apr 28 18:25:44 1998
From: 106226.554 at xxx.com (graham thomson)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:25:44 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Paranoia
Message-ID: <199804281326_MC2-3B42-8C38@compuserve.com>

I'm not Paraniod in the conventional sence of the word, for example I don;t
beleive that the CIA have ever tried to blow up a bus that I have been on. 
I don;t either beleive that MI5 were responsable for making the plane I was
on last october catch fire.  I do remember once when I was young about 8
-like half my life ago- I was sure somebody had planted a bomb under my
bed.  No my paranoia is much more deep and sinister.  I have this reccuring
dream/nightmare/sleepwalk.  In the dream I am responceable for it all the
end of everything, I can;t remember  much about what I have done,  but I
know it is my fault and I can see myself in prospective to the whole
universe, {very scary beleive me!!}  I have to get away from the whole
univerce but I know I can;t and I never do escape.  What usually happens is
I wake up in the middle of the night in a form of limbo, I can remember
everything I do however I am not in a state to controll myself, last time I
locked myself in the toilet for half an hour while my Parents tried to get
me out.  I told them to "FUCK OFF" eventually I came out and tried to run
out the house.  After that I came out of it.  I rememberd everything but I
was not responsable for my actions.  
I beleive that it is my fear of the universe and whatever controlls that
gives me these dreams. I beleive that I am deeply worried about a god and
infinitie and my insignificance.   

John

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From thaiant at xxx.gov  Tue Apr 28 19:39:12 1998
From: thaiant at xxx.gov (Thaian N Ton )
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:39:12 -0500
Subject: Sinister: NEW YORK PICNIC REPORT
References: <b87227e5.3545f1ea@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3546224E.13C5A006@pop.nci.nih.gov>

> As Ari voraciously stated:



> We New Yorkers are
> a surly bunch, so we started, as they say, "chowing down."  Mm, those
> Washington DC people sure do taste funny!

it's all the lovely spinach dip we eat.  don't knock it till you try it.

ta ta love, thaian (wee chi chi) xoxo



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From bramly at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 28 19:13:00 1998
From: bramly at xxx.uk (Bramleys)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:13:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister:transfer
Message-ID: <01bd72d1$471c24c0$LocalHost@bramly>

Yeah!!  another b+s transfer today!!  i was in london for the weekend with a
friend and made it my mission to add at least one b+s cd to her shelf.  it
was 369 seconds - probably my favourite ep - and she said today how much she
loved it.  i didn't actually think that she'd be a lyrics appreciating
person, and i was right.  she said today "the words are a bit weird though".
do you think that you can really appreciate them if you're not a lyrics
person?  i know i couldn't.

i'm glad everyone's enjoying these picnics.  jon and i are going to have our
own one in sheffield, with food for millions of people, which should be
wonderful.


bethey

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 28 19:13:19 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:13:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Re: h'lo.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980428134153.8908A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980428191224.690C-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

> yes yes i'll come
> but where would it be?
> i went out looking for woods the other day but couldn't find any
> ...maybe by the river somewhere :)
> 


how about way along the river towards chesterton? it's quite nice out
there, but there're no woods to speak of...

espadrille 
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> 	          | O |		The church up on the hill
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> 	  / /  /\ / __|    \/.	But it doesn't interest
> 	 /_/\_//_/||##|   ;\|/' The only thing she wants to know
>        __|_||_|||_||##|_____|_	Is how and why and when and where to go
> 	
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> 	Belle and Sebastian
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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 28 20:20:29 1998
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (The Tall Git)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:20:29 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Postcard from the Netherlands...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980428195741.19291B-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

Well I may not have been to Sweden for a week, but I did spend the weekend
in Eindhoven. A coachload of students from all over the country, going to
a korfball tournament / 3-day long party. And it was a ridiculously good
weekend, so this picnic's going to have to be very good to beat it...

I'm sure you don't all want to hear everything that happened (and I'm too
embarassed by some of it to tell you...) but there was one thing that got
me thinking. I was at the party with the Edinburgh University team on the
first night there, got a bit (?) drunk, and lost my jeans (and very nearly
my underwear as well actually!). Before any of you get the wrong
impression of me, I didn't pull them down myself, someone else did it,
after I lost a drinking game... But anyway, one of the other people saw me
and said "That's not the kind of behaviour you expect from someone in a
Belle and Sebastian T-Shirt." I'm not quite sure what he did expect, maybe
for all B&S fans to be really quiet and sober at all times or something.
It's like, only twee people can listen to twee music, and anyone who does
anything raucous must listen to raucous music.

Does anyone out there actually fit the B&S stereotype all day, every day?
I don't think anyone I've met does. I mean, sure, the music you listen to
must reflect your personality to some extent, but not that much surely?
Most people's personality changes depending on the situation anyway.

Anyway, I'd better stop babbling before you all get bored of me (what do
you mean, you already have?). Hope to see y'all on Monday!

Stuart G

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 28 17:44:42 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:44:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: re shithead
In-Reply-To: <2D4194036@orpheus.man.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <BCkVvDA6dgR1EwFZ@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

hello, must post on this FUN topic :)

>YES! Huw,  
>    can't remember how to play shithead but I remember its a great 
>game.  (As long as you mean that cardgame).


we play that all the time round are way! here ya go : oh bollocks, which
versions, theres TWO, the viiolent one or the one where you get three
cards? 

VIOLENT SHITHEAD
say you have four players. you take from the pack, the king, quenn, jack
and 10. stick the rest of the cards in a circle from the middle. deal
the cards out amongst the people. you have to pass one card to the left
each time, and collect all four. this gets very muddled and confues, and
the first person to get four slams their habd down on teh cards, and
everyone else follows suit. the last person to slam their hands down
gets a "s". this contunues, untill you have spelt out SHITHEAD!!! 

non violent shithead i can't be arsed to explain, we shall just have to
play it one day :)
>    

I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
" fotherington thomas who does lark around saying hello trees hello flowers. he 
is a wet and a weed and i shun him utterly"
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From rod at xxx.com  Tue Apr 28 21:32:33 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:32:33 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: 95% Picnic-free Content
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980428212904.13417L-100000@govannon>

On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, John Jackson tempted fate by writing:

> Could have been worse I suppose, it could have been Roddney, who has
> been very, very quiet since that rubbish he spouted.

Rumours of my demise have been greatly exaggerated, as a bloke once kind
of said.

As I said a fortnight ago, I've been sitting my finals (don't ask!). 
Sinister had the lucky pleasure of being the only list to which I've
remained subscribed, and all your posts have been much enjoyed.  I'm just
surprised that the query about my disappearance appeared in this thread --
I was looking in the "shithead" one. 

And so on with the show...

On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Honey wrote:
>  o Much amusement at Linda's clip from the Daily Record about Arab Strap
>    being a "disgrace to Falkirk" (the mayor)

For those who haven't heard, the Scottish media had a field-day at the
beginning of last week interviewing councillors and residents in Falkirk
asking what they thought of this band who'd been slagging off Falkirk. 
(Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Strap from Grangemouth anyway?) 
One councillor said "We're a very youthful up-and-coming town.  We have a
cyber-cafe."  Grannies said they were disappointed.  Buskers said that
Falkirk was fantastic.  A well-informed bloke said "It doesn't matter,
cause they're rubbish." 

Am I the only listee who thinks that Arab Strap are a bit on the poo side?

On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Alan Prior wrote:

> boo hoo. everyone's at the glasgow picnic and i'm at home by myself with
> only my sad songs to keep me company. and the new arab strap album

I weren't there.  At that time, I was attempting to learn 4 months worth
of lectures in two days.  I was being so studious that when a bunch of
friends came around for a piss-up, I stayed in my room and kept studying
until 22:30, the big girly-swot that I am.

We then went on to the re-housed FBI -- back at it's spiritual home in
Moray House Union.  A rather fab night was had spotting groups of people
that I recognised from other clubs... "Yeah, they normally go to North.
And I've seen them at Evol."

Indeed, one of my spies reckons he spotted our beloved Laird there.
Checking out the competition, eh?  ;)

And DJ Lee played "What You Do To Me" by the fannies, which caused me to
rake out my LP of Bandwagonesque the next day.  I dare anyone to come up
with an album which has four tracks of sheer pop perfection in a row to
match The Concept, Satan, December and What You Do To Me.  Utterly
gob-smackingly fabboo!

> aaaaah, the new drugstore single is so beautiful...

Indeedy.  I'd never realised how incredibly strong Thom Yorke's voice was.
You going to see them live on Saturday night?  (I'm just trying to find
someone else to go along with, cause I hate going to concerts alone)

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, The Spod wrote:

> Sorry to trouble you again but I am also trying to obtain the whole 
> back catalogue of Indie Top Twenty albums (I think they were released 
> in conjungtion with the the Melody Maker) on Beechwood Music.

Virgin in Embra usually have a selection of them (at least, they did the
last time I was near the compilations aisle.  Which, come to think of it,
was quite a long time ago).  Try raking around there (sorry... that's the
best I can do)

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Keith Watson wrote:

>     We will do another one soon, I figure one in Edinburgh and another in
> Glasgow

I was too scared to show up to the Glesga one, in case Tag beat me up.
However, if you do an Embra picnic before the middle of August (when I
bugger off to the other side of the world), I'll show up in my Yogi Bear
costume and steal a few of your picernic baskets.  (Who wants to be Boo
Boo?)

Til the next time, this is RB saying BFN... Bye For Now!

Rod.

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From plaird at xxx.uk  Tue Apr 28 22:53:56 1998
From: plaird at xxx.uk (plaird)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 21:53:56 +0000
Subject: Sinister: 95% B&S-free Content
Message-ID: <199804282151.WAA06107@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk>

>Am I the only listee who thinks that Arab Strap are a bit on the poo side?

Nope Rodddddney, you're not. 

I've gotten very wary of the recommendations from this list since I
went out and purchased that Trembling Blue Stars LP - not impressed 
I'm afraid, and 13 quid to boot!! 
For that very amount I got the first 4 'Funky Jams' LPs in Fopp's sale 
and have been strutting my funky stuff to the Blaxploitation sounds
of Brother Soul, Michael Kirkland and the Fatback Band amongst many.

Roddddddddney also said about FBI/CIA/MI5 or whatever it's called:

>Indeed, one of my spies reckons he spotted our beloved Laird there.
>Checking out the competition, eh?  ;)

Nope - can't be in 2 places at once - did you spot the 'new improved
playlist' then? ;) Any spinnings of the B&S variety????
Go on, surprise me!!!

Bye Picnickers,

The Laird of East Fountainbridge

   


"An Egg is good for you" - THE EGG Marketing Board

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From jossleag at xxx.ie  Tue Apr 28 23:53:12 1998
From: jossleag at xxx.ie (Joss & Leagues)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:53:12 +0100
Subject: Sinister: sorry...
Message-ID: <v01530508b16c1c42d366@[194.125.41.167]>

to clog the list up with this, but could Eoin Fegan contact me? Crashed
computer lost address. And I even tried who sinister. Bah!


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From vegasbaby at xxx.com  Wed Apr 29 00:29:27 1998
From: vegasbaby at xxx.com (Courtney Knopf)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:29:27 PDT
Subject: Sinister: L.A. Picnic is ON!!!
Message-ID: <19980428232927.28024.qmail@hotmail.com>

Okay, everyone in the L.A./Orange County area on this list, listen up!

There will be a picnic on saturday May 2nd (only a couple days off, 
sorry about the short notice). Griffith Park seems to be the location, 
and 2 PM be the time. I don't know Griffith park at all, so if anyone 
wants to let the list know of an exact location where we should meet, 
please do so soon. And if you have sinister friends who aren't on this 
list, by all means, bring them along as well!
As for food, let's be creative, shall we? a little bit of everything.

Please email me so i can get a good idea of how many people are up for 
this. Thakns:)

~Courtney
The Sultraness of Swing
"That's not your mother! It's a man, baby!"

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From d.kitchen at xxx.net  Wed Apr 29 00:42:10 1998
From: d.kitchen at xxx.net (blue soda)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:42:10 +0100
Subject: Sinister: blue soda social
Message-ID: <35466952.1D047C8E@virgin.net>

finally got round to it, the 11th hour message!

anyhow, to please those in london (and tease those elsewhere) here is
the url of a page that holds all the details of the friday event put
together by your very own david, katrina, trousers and a few others
(hiya rory!).

http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/social.htm

i hope that some of you will come and dine on pasta, drink wine and
indulge in a spot of twister. i hope too that you're not all so tired of
seeing Gregory's Girl that you can't bear to see it in the presence of
friends downstairs at the poetry cafe. we start at 7:30pm and will be
finished at 11:3opm.

any questions?
mailto:bluesoda at totalweb.co.uk

thanks

david and katrina

PS: if you don't have web access and really need the info, mail me and
i'll see if i can mail a text file to you.
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From TFertig3 at xxx.com  Wed Apr 29 04:43:35 1998
From: TFertig3 at xxx.com (TFertig3)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:43:35 EDT
Subject: Sinister: bartgong
Message-ID: <922aefe3.3546a1e8@aol.com>

hello,
       does anyone know a band called the house martins?  i've actually never
heard of them, but my brother told me they're really good...  who are they,
eh, and do they really sound like b+s as my brother claims?  
        
       oyhh, a friend of mine spent 120 dollars on a ticket to see the spice
girls! arghh!  (sorry to any of those who take preference to this musical
group)  i told him he had better give me that money and i'd spend it on
something worth while!  

        although i don't often post on this list for lack of anything
interesting to say, i have noticed one (1!) thing: we all seem to love the
simpsons.  that certainly is strange, is there some like a link between b+s
and bart simpson.  is it sick that my idol is a cartoon character?  people
tell me so.  ah, well, i am in love with a drawing, it's not the first time.
all right, that was my one (1!) insight. thank you.  

         eat my shorts      tami
       
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From parachute at xxx.net  Wed Apr 29 11:01:49 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (bradford)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:01:49 -0700
Subject: Sinister: sir stuff a lot
Message-ID: <3546FA8D.268B@earthlink.net>

not a lot to reply to these days, is there?

i don't have another picnic story. i haven't been out of town for a
week. my pom poms broke so i haven't been doing my cheers.
i spent a lovely day at work today with some old toothless fucker
telling me that i had to recite him the number slowly cause he had no
fingers and he dials the phone with his elbow and he lost most of his
short term memory in "the war". then he asked if i'd ever tried writing
with my feet. upon telling him "no" he said he tried it but it didn't
work.

it took twenty minutes to give him a seven digit number.

that wasn't an exaggeration.

i can't stop listening to all those old beatles albums. wonderful band.
have you guys ever heard of them? i think they're an old band or
something. never hear much about them these days......are they still
around?

so i hear david byrne is playing in atlanta sometime soon. that's
something to look forward to.

and, maybe i'm wrong, but i've always held the notion that the
housemartins suck.
and i've always firmly believed that if it wasn't for homer the simpsons
would be crap. take bart away and you would still, for the most part,
have a funny show.

buenos dias
-brad
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From Jollyhead at xxx.com  Wed Apr 29 06:28:47 1998
From: Jollyhead at xxx.com (Jollyhead)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:28:47 EDT
Subject: Sinister: now that's what i call quite good!
Message-ID: <6e4e3251.3546ba90@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-04-29 01:18:49 EDT, you write:

<< so i hear david byrne is playing in atlanta sometime soon. that's
 something to look forward to. >>


atlanta?! did i hear you correctly?! :-)

allow me to introduce myself...my name is april, and i live in atlanta
georgia. i usually hate mailing lists but i love belle and sebastian and i was
convinced by the lovely cindy in new jersey to join. there you have it. :-)
nice to meet all of you!


<<and, maybe i'm wrong, but i've always held the notion that the
housemartins suck.>>

yikes. i'm forced to vent already and it is my very first ('introductory' if
you will) post! the housemartins are beyond amazing. so great. why do you
dislike them? paul heaton's voice gives me chills. good stuff.

anyone else from atlanta?



loud loutish love,
---april marie �~
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From el0007 at xxx.edu  Wed Apr 29 07:28:09 1998
From: el0007 at xxx.edu (Erin Lewis)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:28:09 -0700
Subject: Sinister: lookie at the lurker
Message-ID: <s5466625.020@uop.edu>

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From Andreas.Hering at xxx.de  Wed Apr 29 07:43:36 1998
From: Andreas.Hering at xxx.de (Perfection As A Hipster)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:43:36 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Sinister: Atlanta (NO B&S) (was: Re: now that's what i
  call quite good!)
Message-ID: <199804290643.IAA07945@studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de>

April Marie wrote ...

><< so i hear david byrne is playing in atlanta sometime soon. that's
> something to look forward to. >>

This show should be much better ...

The Jazz Butcher Conspiracy
May 1, 1998 (Friday)
The Point
Atlanta, Georgia
Tickets $ 08.00
404.659.3522

... unless you despise of an entertaining evening. Trust me.

>the housemartins are beyond amazing.

Quite good, especially their debut album.

"(Soul) Happy Hour"

Andreas

The rain it raineth on the just
And also on the unjust fella
But more upon the just because 
The unjust steals the just's umbrella

(Charles Baron Bowen)

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From cja1000 at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 29 08:46:47 1998
From: cja1000 at xxx.uk (Chris)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:46:47 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Love
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980429084608.4229B-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

Anybody else in Cambridge? Before it's too late.......

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 29 08:53:16 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:53:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Love
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980429084608.4229B-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980429085307.27981D-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

you know about me already, don't you?
espadrille

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From daeril at xxx.es  Tue Apr 28 10:38:51 1998
From: daeril at xxx.es (Alberto Perez)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:38:51 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Re:Feedback from the website
Message-ID: <199804290940.KAA07606@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>

What about give us Carolina´s e-mail?

Carolina, por si lees esto... En la lista hay varias personas de España o
que por lo menos hablan castellano. Yo soy de Barcelona, y aluciné igual
que tu en el pasado BAM, me pillaron totalmente por sorpresa... Si te
interesan las demos y el Tigermilk escribeme un e-mail y te las pasaré (a
mi me las pasó mr.Saguillo, de los madriles, gracias otra vez!). Y si
quieres hablar de Belle y otros grupos escribeme también, ok?
Hasta pronto...
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Wed Apr 29 11:46:14 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:46:14 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Bring the Rumpus
Message-ID: <01bd735c$082e9d20$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


But anyway, one of the other people saw me
>and said "That's not the kind of behaviour you expect from someone in a
>Belle and Sebastian T-Shirt." I'm not quite sure what he did expect, maybe
>for all B&S fans to be really quiet and sober at all times or something.
>It's like, only twee people can listen to twee music, and anyone who does
>anything raucous must listen to raucous music.


This is why I wanted to buy the Cappadonna album, in the hope that some of
it would rub off, or at least that people would think I was dead hard and
had showers with ladies, like on Wu-Tang Forever. Another of the main
reasons I wanted to buy it was so that I could call everyone big wusses for
buying puffy Massive Attack and making it number one in the hot one hundred.
The only trouble is, I prefer Massive Attack to Cappadonna, but I'm sure
I'll get over it, like all those people who get married in the hope that
they'll learn to love their spouse. At least in books. And I don't wear my
Belle and sebastian t-shirt in public. People have to undress me if they
want to see it.

There, an unusually erotic post from me. Sorry Cliff.

Peter

PS: Thanks very much to Oooon for the marvellous B&S article from sunny
Thailand


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From cleonard at xxx.COM  Wed Apr 29 13:00:20 1998
From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:00:20 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Bring the Rumpus
Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=Murray_Johnstone%l=CARDHU-980429120020Z-9980@cardhu.murrayj.com>

I regret sending this already, and I haven't even written it yet.

>People have to undress me if they want to see it.
>There, an unusually erotic post from me. Sorry Cliff.

Why don't you mix it up a little, chancellor miller?  
Undress in the style of the tune that you hear!  
Breakdance off your boxers to run dmc.....
Samba yer socks off to latin love beats.
Belle and sebastian should sell special pop pants that say
horse for the boys and fox for the girls.  A hole in the market!

My brain is faulty.  God I'm having a terrible day - i am so stressed
i am considering falling of my chair in an attempt to break my leg so I
can go home.  I have so much to be getting on with heaven knows why I
just 
invented a childrens television program:

THE ISOTOTES
Along way away, in a place no-one goes
Live some little fellows, with little glowing toes
At night time they do handstands
And light the darkened sky
We often see some flickering
But never question why

Folk from other planets
They see our little friends
And they have got equipment
To communicate with them
So there's flashing up above
And there's flickers down below
We're right in the middle
And we didn't even know!

You get the idea.  Cute little cartoon chappies who walk about
on their hands and have little adventures, lighting up things with 
their toes.  When they are lost or confused they look to the sky
and the aliens help them out.  First I'm going to write a story and
then I'm going to make myself an isotote pant. I love them crazy 
wee bastards.  

c xx

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From 9337381b at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 29 14:46:08 1998
From: 9337381b at xxx.uk (Andrew James Bonar)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:46:08 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Shameless self-promotion....
Message-ID: <16C5FCA554D@student.gla.ac.uk>

Hi everyone out there,
OK- Anyone from Glasgow or nearby who fancies a bit of culture, 
please come and see 'Macbeth' at the Glasgow Uni Cloisters (the bit 
in the ancient uni building with all the pillars and arches, next to 
the Hunterian Museum) on the 14th, 15th and 16th of May. I'm not sure 
about the ticket prices and start time at the mo, but I'll post them 
either later today or tomorrow.

It'll be a great opportunity to see me making an arse of myself, and 
to generally get freaked by the supernatural-type vibes going down.  
Oh yeah, and unlike yer more commonplace Shakespeare-actor types, I 
will NOT be playing the part in a daft, plummy, English accent.  
Macbeth was SCOTTISH for gawd's sake....

Right, I'm off to summon up some evil spirits and make a depraved 
Faustian pact with them.

And then have some lunch.


See y'all around,

Andy



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From mbge5dss at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 29 12:47:29 1998
From: mbge5dss at xxx.uk (The Spod)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:47:29 BST
Subject: Sinister: 95% B&S-free Content
In-Reply-To: <199804282151.WAA06107@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk>
Message-ID: <32E02F74A6E@fs1.eng.man.ac.uk>


> 
> >Am I the only listee who thinks that Arab Strap are a bit on the poo side?
> 
> Nope Rodddddney, you're not. 
> 
> I've gotten very wary of the recommendations from this list since I
> went out and purchased that Trembling Blue Stars LP - not impressed 
> I'm afraid, and 13 quid to boot!! 
> For that very amount I got the first 4 'Funky Jams' LPs in Fopp's sale 
> and have been strutting my funky stuff to the Blaxploitation sounds
> of Brother Soul, Michael Kirkland and the Fatback Band amongst many.
> 

Funny cos I went and bought TBS yesterday and it is sooooo kewlies :)

your right about Arab Strap though :)

perhaps every sentance should end in a :)?

Hugs + Stuff

The Spod
                         !!The Spod!!
                 "Toddlers - Stormtroopers of the 
                      Dark Lord of Entropy"

      "TACT - Describing others as they see themselves"
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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Wed Apr 29 14:15:37 1998
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:15:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: i am not a cannibal
Message-ID: <v01510103b16bf409118e@[128.122.79.23]>

i believe that it's important to point out that ari was smoking crack at
the new york picnic.  he pulled out the crack pipe pretty early on, and
just wouldn't stop.  we tried to ignore the fact that he would
intermittently start gnawing on dina though.  i think she took it as a
compliment at the time, but now i'm forced to wonder....

anyway, due to the rain and the rather late change in directions on ari's
anwsering machine (crack rearing it's ugly head again) only six people
showed.  there is photographic evidence of this event, taken in a subway
terminal.  sadly, no members of the band showed up to *our* picnic, which i
think is just elitism on their parts.  i mean, if they arent' willing to
cross an ocean for us, why should they cross town for the glasgowegians?
these delimas....

anyway, a small summary of our day:

one metropolitan museum of art
five sinisterines
six attendees
zero band members
four umbrellas
nine pictures with various people cut off
two nyu film students
three phone calls before 11am
200 angry protesters yelling about *something* at 10am outside of my window
on a sunday morning

alright, i think that about sums it up.  apparently, the dc picnic will be
a drunken orgy, so come on kids!!!

xoxo
megan

mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu

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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 29 00:12:09 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:12:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Judy and her dream of american thirty -something neurosis
Message-ID: <35466248.2712@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>

Started reading 'Girlfriend in a coma' as it's been recommende to me so
many times by friends and family (and at least one listee I belive) I'm
still not too sure about it, it reads a bit like judgement day
re-written for the cast of 'friends' with a dead quarterback as god and
courtney cox as the virgin mary, hmmm.....

 But I did come across this rather familiar passage towards the end of
the book:-  "....jogging round the neighbourhood in nothing more than
TERRY UNDERWEAR knowing that everyone else was sleeping....the air and
the sun and the pads of my feet landing on rabbit lane"

 Seems like it's not only the smiths that the mono-sylabollic bearded
one is ripping off...

 Stay lucky, Rory xxx
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From aevans at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 29 14:57:38 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:57:38 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sowton Park and Ride
Message-ID: <01BD737F.27BD4C40@pc07628>


Graham Thomson wrote :

>I'm not Paraniod in the conventional sence of the word
>No my paranoia is much more deep and sinister.  I have this reccuri=
>ng
>dream/nightmare/sleepwalk.  In the dream I am responceable for it all the=
>end of everything, I can;t remember  much about what I have done,  but I
>know it is my fault and I can see myself in prospective to the whole
>universe, {very scary beleive me!!}  I have to get away from the whole
>univerce but I know I can;t and I never do escape.  What usually happens =
>is
>I wake up in the middle of the night in a form of limbo, I can remember
>everything I do however I am not in a state to controll myself, last time=
>I
>locked myself in the toilet for half an hour while my Parents tried to ge=
>t
>me out.  I told them to "FUCK OFF" eventually I came out and tried to run=
>out the house.  After that I came out of it.  I rememberd everything but =
>I
>was not responsable for my actions.  =
>I beleive that it is my fear of the universe and whatever controlls that
>gives me these dreams. I beleive that I am deeply worried about a god and=
>infinitie and my insignificance.   =

>John

John, I believe your deepest fear is that of the e-mail spellchecker.  I don't know what other listees think, but I reckon this mail has got to be close to a record.  You wouldn't be studying English by any chance would you ?

Obviously you are suffering from some form of schizophrenia.  Signing your mails off John, when you are obviously called Graham is not a good sign.
I would suggest you stop watching Stars in their Eyes with immediate effect.

Tonight Matthew I am going to be.

Very profound.

I have switched the fridges off.

Adrian.


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From mneimark at xxx.com  Wed Apr 29 15:23:48 1998
From: mneimark at xxx.com (Matthew Neimark)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:23:48 PDT
Subject: Sinister: Vote Stuart Murdoch in People's 50 most beautiful people!!!
Message-ID: <19980429142349.22325.qmail@hotmail.com>

It's that time of year again.  People magazine is publishing their 
annual 50 most beautiful people in the world.

Alas, in protest of Leo DiCaprios emminent win, I voted for Hank, the 
Angry Drunken Dwarf.  But I realize the err of my ways.  It was Murdoch 
I should have voted for.

The URL is ..... BAM

http://www.pathfinder.com/people/50most/1998/vote/index.html 

All I can say is, don't relive my mistakes.  Vote Stuart Murdoch.

Matt

PS  The People system is set such such that it is easy to pick 
candidates that they already decided on.  To write-in your own entry, 
you must ensure that every character is correct and in the right place.  
(The system is also case-sensitive.) I suggest cutting-and-pasting.

Stuart Murdoch

PPS  Spam Away!!!    

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Wed Apr 29 16:10:00 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:10:00 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Ham Shandy
Message-ID: <01bd7380$e0fe1d00$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


Andrew wrote:


OK- Anyone from Glasgow or nearby who fancies a bit of culture,
please come and see 'Macbeth' at the Glasgow Uni Cloisters (the bit
in the ancient uni building with all the pillars and arches, next to
the Hunterian Museum) on the 14th, 15th and 16th of May.

This reminds me of one of the worst experiences of my life, when I SHARED A
FLAT with someone who was "rehearsing" for Hamlet in that selfsame location
It was absolute shit, listening to the same crappy bits over and over again
in a ridiculously exaggerated Scottish accent and beard. What a shit life.
He was playing the part of Billy Crystal.

There, not very interesting, but therapeutic for me. Thank you all for your
indulgence. There's plenty more where that came from, but I will desist. For
the time being.

Pierre

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From keith at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 29 15:35:45 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:35:45 +0100
Subject: No subject
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Anyone fancy a pint?

Keith.


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From John.Johnston at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 29 16:56:39 1998
From: John.Johnston at xxx.uk (Johnston, John CT)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:56:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: boozer! 
Message-ID: <199804291555.QAA00482@hgty.capgemini.co.uk>

>Anyone fancy a pint?

God yes, I'm having one of those days - Crisps as well, please.

I've been thinking about the picnics and I think we should have a
password when  we meet so that we know we are with the right people like
in spy movies. I'm sure on the day in fact it will be obvious who the
Sinister lot are - we'll be the gorgeous ones with cheerleaders and
marching bands, oh and some belle and sebastian t-shirts. But I still
think a hidden codeword would add some spice, and a further frisson of
excitement to the occasion.

So when you siddle up to someone outside the tube say this...

"Escucha, esto es pish?"

and if you are a sinisterine turn to them and give them a sombre "Si,
pish". And we're away!!! Of course if they look like your from the dark
side of the moon try and carry off a dazed language student character -
say something like "Por Favor..henna tattoo???". Good luck

I was thinking of this after a bloke came up to me on the platform at
Hammersmith station today and said, rather forcefully, "Oi - are you on
medication??". "Not yet" I said (being inadvertantly funny I later
thought). "Well why are you talking to yourself?". I told him I was
learning the lines from a play I'm in and he seemed a bit disapointed.

Ho and if you will, hum

Scary-cheese-stick John

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From vanessa.figueras at xxx.se  Wed Apr 29 17:52:37 1998
From: vanessa.figueras at xxx.se (Vanessa Figueras)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:52:37 +0200
Subject: Sinister: bartgong
References: <922aefe3.3546a1e8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <35475AD4.125AB8DA@swipnet.se>

Simpsons ruuule!!!!!!!
The three best episodes are: the one where Sting is saving Bart out of a well.
The second one is when Bart breakes his leg one summer and he thinks that
Flanders killed his wife and in the end when they're working things out and it
comes out that Mrs Flanders just been to a like a bibel camp or something and
Homer says " How convinient." And the third one is when Lisa buys Al Gore's book
and they play Celebration time and Al says "I will." Any others have good
episodes they wanna recommend?
"Celebrate good times, come on... I will"
Love Vanessa

TFertig3 skrev:

> hello,
>        does anyone know a band called the house martins?  i've actually never
> heard of them, but my brother told me they're really good...  who are they,
> eh, and do they really sound like b+s as my brother claims?
>
>        oyhh, a friend of mine spent 120 dollars on a ticket to see the spice
> girls! arghh!  (sorry to any of those who take preference to this musical
> group)  i told him he had better give me that money and i'd spend it on
> something worth while!
>
>         although i don't often post on this list for lack of anything
> interesting to say, i have noticed one (1!) thing: we all seem to love the
> simpsons.  that certainly is strange, is there some like a link between b+s
> and bart simpson.  is it sick that my idol is a cartoon character?  people
> tell me so.  ah, well, i am in love with a drawing, it's not the first time.
> all right, that was my one (1!) insight. thank you.
>
>          eat my shorts      tami
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From pberry at xxx.com  Wed Apr 29 18:22:04 1998
From: pberry at xxx.com (Pam Berry)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:22:04 -0400
Subject: Sinister: let's make some plans (of a dc nature)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980429132159.00c35a98@washcp.com>

hi there everyone,

you know, I was thinking...we really don't talk about picnics like we used
to. I miss the magic. I think we can get it back. 

just wanted to drop a final reminder that plans for the dc b&s barbeque
grillfest sat. may 9, 4pm (till late, show up when you can), are full steam
ahead, everybody but everybody is welcome to attend, bring friends, don't
be shy! I hope those of you who mentioned coming from out of town are still
up for the trek, if you need a place to crash there's certainly couch/floor
space with your name on it. call or e-mail for directions.

that's 1853 monroe st. in mt. pleasant. board games aplenty, veggie and
non-veggie grills, an abundance of beer and springy cocktails (pink
madonnas made happily upon request), plenty of pop (music and soda!) and
laid-back hanging out. or the rumored drunken orgy. up to you. we encourage
you to bring board games and/or food of a b&s nature to feed a bunch of
people. megan and I have started a list of b&s-related foods that we can
assure you will already be in attendance, people bringing stuff with much
snappier names than these (it won't be hard I'll wager) will get surprise
groovy door prizes. come to think of it, so will everyone else.  featured
bbq fest foods include:

pam's hang-your-head-in-shame-and-cry-your-life-away onion skewers
angelfood shining fair cake
notdogs on wheels (a vegetarian delicacy in these parts)
megan's superfly deelish (you made me forget my) beans

and of course lots of devilled eggs and ten thousand pounds of potato salad
which we couldn't think of clever names for right off, but which are the
backbone of any respectable bbq.

thanks to monsieur kitchen, all the info you probably need can be found at
http://www.myspace.co.uk/bluesoda/picnics.htm, if you can't access the web
but have questions please don't hesitate to drop us a line!

see you there!
pam    pberry at washcp.com or plb at tiac.net        202.462.0843
megan  msearing at washcp.com or megans at webtv.net  202.588.1829

p.s. keith, a million thanks for that address! 



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From barzy at xxx.com  Wed Apr 29 21:16:05 1998
From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:16:05 -0800
Subject: Sinister: LA Picnic and stuff
Message-ID: <v01540b09b16d38525e65@[207.48.25.57]>

The lot,

Sorry to say i'll be missing the LA picnic (if it's on the second)...for
that's Mayday and i've...a prior engagement :( so i'll have to meet the LA
crew, alas...at the next function....i'll send my twin in my
place...KELLY...you go. Take photos. OK? OK. As for those nasty sorts bad
mouthing the Housemartins, just stop, because it's giving me a tummy ache.
I can see how people who loved them can like Belle & Sebastian, not that
that they sound anything alike...but it's rare to have lovely pop with
SOUL....*sigh*

I think that's it.


yours scy,

beth














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From greggo at xxx.com  Wed Apr 29 21:03:43 1998
From: greggo at xxx.com (Gregg Ogorzelec)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:03:43 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Happy Happy Housemartins
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From vlass at xxx.com  Wed Apr 29 21:08:48 1998
From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:08:48 -0400
Subject: Sinister: b&s dreams, graffiti, zines and teletubbies
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980429200848.00685e80@mail.interlog.com>

IM BOREDDD

how are you?
:)

well, actually i'm just tired of studying for my stupid algebra midterm..
actually 3/4 term considering it -is- practically may... actually, after
tomorrow's over, the rest of the year will be pretty easy and then june will
come and.. high school will be finished forever... slightly scary, i
suppose, but also kind of exciting, no? probably not..

i had a belle and sebastian dream last night. i was with one of my friends
and we were at a belle and sebastian show.. it was in the school gym or
something, and there weren't very many people but for some reason i wasn't
allowed to stand near the stage, so all i could see were these little dots
with instruments.. i couldn't hear anything either - it was like watching a
concert in mute.. after the show was over i could see people walking towards
the stage to get autographs while the band carried their gear away. stuart
murdoch smiled at me cos i was staring at all of them. too bad i couldnt
turn up the volume in my dream.

if you live in toronto, go to the new-ish record store at queen and spadina
(well, it might not be new.. i've just never seen it before..). anyway, i
went there last friday after school and graffitied belle&sebastian lyrics on
the staircase walls.. dont worry, i didnt do it illegally! the walls were
half filled with those square-ish tags (is it just me or do all tags look
exactly the same? i dont know about people tag though..) anyway, my friend
brian happened to have a black felt tip marker in his bag so we asked the
owners for permission and spent a half an hour doodling away. mostly i just
marvelled at brian cos he's an amazing artist, but i did manage to scrawl a
few lyrics.. you know, written for anyone with eyes in their head.

oh, ive gotten 2 listee zines so far, and i love them!... megan's great
-movers and shakers- with an interesting account about her trip to russia,
and a story about her prom (which i read with some attention since i was
guilt-tripped into going to mine which will happen too soon.. i think im the
only one at my school who's going to take public transportation there since
i do not want to take an expensive limo.. heh) and the other day i got jon
parker's -paradiso- which is just perfect.. with it's green cover and blue
ink and and beautiful writing.. so nice.. get them, okay?

ummm
i saw teletubbies for the first time yesterday morning, and it's not as big
a deal as i thought it would be although that baby in the sun is really..
errr.. weird.. oh, and of course, the simpsons is great show! i can never
pick a favourite one, but the one where lisa decides to become a vegetarian
is funny... is -this life- a popular show in the UK, etc? we get it here in
canada on TVO which is like pbs but i don't know anyone here who watches
it.. will miles go through with his wedding?? ooh, i'll find out this
sunday! hehe.

oh dear, this is maybe a bit too ramble-y.. i guess i should quit
distracting myself and finish studying.. boo.. :P

teri xoxxo

ps- david k, did you get my b&s drawing?

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From PKHINTZ at xxx.com  Wed Apr 29 21:28:25 1998
From: PKHINTZ at xxx.com (PKHINTZ)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:28:25 EDT
Subject: Sinister: breaking into the shell
Message-ID: <10ff605.35478d6b@aol.com>

A certain Stuart G. wrote about his drunken stripping and this:

<<But anyway, one of the other people saw me
and said "That's not the kind of behaviour you expect from someone in a
Belle and Sebastian T-Shirt." I'm not quite sure what he did expect, maybe
for all B&S fans to be really quiet and sober at all times or something.>>

	After the "picnic" in New York was finished (we can all pretend that we
frolicked in the sun and meadows but we know what really happened), Megan and
I were walking back to her abode when she mentioned something rather similar.
She said that one might expect Belle and Sebastian fans to be introverted, shy
types, but the Sinisterines she had met were quite extroverted.  Then she
added, except you, Matthew--you're introverted.  I was so upset at that last
part, I went home and wrote a sad poem about the experience.  I would post it
to the list, but I am just too shy to share that type of personal pain--but I
have no qualms talking about it.  (If you must know, the poem was inspired by
Ari's Morrissey impression.  It is about sad clowns that ride bicycles in the
rain while holding black lilies.)

	I won't tell which parts of this are true--I have to go write another poem
about this experience.  I will draw butterflies in the margins of my notebook
paper.

			Living and loving--and laughing all the way home ;-)
						Matthew
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From C.Browning-95 at xxx.uk  Wed Apr 29 22:31:18 1998
From: C.Browning-95 at xxx.uk (Boodle Boodle Boodle)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:31:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: all you lovely, sinister people...
Message-ID: <E0yUeRj-0004JB-00@sun-cc203.lboro.ac.uk>

hello people

i've been back for about a week now since my beastly dissertation has been 
finaly put to death. to be honest since its been handed in i suddenly have 
lots of time on my hands and not so much stuff to do with it. so i've been a 
tad depressed really - so i rejoined the mailing list! actually i joined lots 
of mailig lists - robyn hitchcock, xtc, teenage fanclub and beth orton - just 
so i look really popular whenever i check my e.mails.

and i have come to a conclusion. other lists may have more deep philosophicla 
conversations or musings on politics and life, but none of them *not one* of 
them are as nice as you lot are. i mean they are all nice bods and all that 
and i have only just been musing the delights of krazy kat with the fegmaniax 
list. but sinister is teh only list i get the impression from that you 
actually care for each other. i look forward to reading these e.mails. i love 
it when someone tells me that they have a crush on a girl but are too shy to 
tell them or whatever - because i live these things too. i wish i could go to 
the london picnic cos i tell you people without meaning to get all dewey eyed 
you are all (and especially one person who has been most kind in listening to 
my ramblings - yuou know who you are :-) !!) this is such a wonderfullist to 
be on. occasionally you might get in strops with each other and scrap and 
whatever but oh i dunno. i just like it lots here. i'll miss it at teh end of 
june..

whoever it was that was saying that all belle and sebastian fans should be 
fragile wallflowers and whatever. it ain't true really. b&s may be a quiet 
band but what grabs me about them is their vividness. the songs speak, they 
unfurl - as soon as i heard fox in the snow i had an image. and not of a fox 
either. maybe these images are different for different people but it shows 
that b&s are a band that make people feel *passionately* about them. a band 
that doesn't insult your intelligence - but inspires you to use it.

i'm a rambling. but basically i want to say thanks. i can be a bit manic by 
nature my moods swinging from tree to tree like whatever but i know i will 
always smile when i read a sinister e.mail.

sorry i've gone on! hope you didn't mind me all just waffling on. i don't 
e.mail much so humour me when i do! i'm off to make some toast..

thanks again people!

chris
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From DNHarper at xxx.com  Wed Apr 29 22:32:20 1998
From: DNHarper at xxx.com (DNHarper)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:32:20 EDT
Subject: Sinister: boozer!
Message-ID: <23b5adca.35479c65@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/29/98 12:02:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
John.Johnston at capgemini.co.uk writes:


>  >Anyone fancy a pint?

yeeees... please, and thank you....

>  
>  God yes, I'm having one of those days - Crisps as well, please.
>  
>  I've been thinking about the picnics and I think we should have a

	so have i... it seems that i missed the NYC one.... it was raining, you
know.... you sinister people are wall to wall tough if you were able to stand
out in the rain in central park for god knows how long and chat up
whatever..... And today is such an excellent picnic sort of day... warm,
bright clear.... there wouldn't happen to be any sort of plans afoot to do it
again? maybe out here in brooklyn?  

>  I was thinking of this after a bloke came up to me on the platform at
>  Hammersmith station today and said, rather forcefully, "Oi - are you on
>  medication??". "Not yet" I said (being inadvertantly funny I later
>  thought). "Well why are you talking to yourself?". I told him I was
>  learning the lines from a play I'm in and he seemed a bit disapointed.

	This reminds me of an incident that happened when I was in london, back when
i was an undergrad.... i had just finished the day at an internship, and went
staggering out the door and down to a nearby pub. I was worn out. Shirt
untucked, hair in different directions.... So, I propped myself up by the bar,
and ordered a half of something or another.... empty stomach, and lo tolerance
and all... Well, these two burly beef-eatin'  workers came in, grabbed their
hearty pints of lager and started hitting the sauce. A few minutes passed. One
looked my way and said "Oi! Are you a lesbian, then?"

	I am not a lesbian. In fact, i am not even a woman. I was what you could call
"stunned." I finally uttered a no, no i'm not... and they were rather
suprised, to say the least... one said "SO you're a bloke then... where's your
beard?" and the other asked where in america i was from.  I answered that A) i
shaved that morning, and B) Delawaren, and they just sorta nodded in disbelief
of my nonlesbianness and Delawarian residence and eyed me for the rest of the
very very very brief period i remained in that establishment.
 
	Back to the land of the lurkers.

	Derek
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From the.spod at xxx.com  Wed Apr 29 20:56:43 1998
From: the.spod at xxx.com (The Spod)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:56:43 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Vote Stuart Murdoch in People's 50 most beautiful people!!!
Message-ID: <01bd73a8$eefb79c0$LocalHost@mbge5dss>




>v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
>>It's that time of year again.  People magazine is publishing their
>annual 50 most beautiful people in the world.
>
>Alas, in protest of Leo DiCaprios emminent win, I voted for Hank, the
>Angry Drunken Dwarf.  But I realize the err of my ways.  It was Murdoch
>I should have voted for.
>
>The URL is ..... BAM
>
>http://www.pathfinder.com/people/50most/1998/vote/index.html
>
>All I can say is, don't relive my mistakes.  Vote Stuart Murdoch.
>
>Matt
>
>PS  The People system is set such such that it is easy to pick
>candidates that they already decided on.  To write-in your own entry,
>you must ensure that every character is correct and in the right place.
>(The system is also case-sensitive.) I suggest cutting-and-pasting.
>
>Stuart Murdoch
>
>PPS  Spam Away!!!
>

    Dear All

    I think we should vote Oon most beautiful person simply for having the
best name in the world.....ever :)

    Just my 2 lire (can't afford sense I don't have enough of my own)

    Hugs + Stuff

    TheSpod



"Toddlers" - Stormtroopers of the Dark Lord of Entropy
"Beauty is not caused - it is, chase it and it ceases, chase it not
and it abides"   --Emily Dickinson


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From eyh96 at xxx.edu  Thu Apr 30 04:04:36 1998
From: eyh96 at xxx.edu (remaniac)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:04:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: to NYC listees
In-Reply-To: <b87227e5.3545f1ea@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980429225328.19599B-100000@hamp.hampshire.edu>


Hi there,

I'll be doing an internship in Manhattan this summer (Granary Books).
Though I have spent a lot of time in the museums and galleries and going
to shows (and am looking forward to exploring) I'm hoping you can
recommend good places to buy music, to hang, to eat, things to see, etc...
sort of a "sinisterine's guide to nyc"! (plus: any chance of summer
picnics?)

please reply to me privately: eyh96 at hampshire.edu

thanks,
emily 

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From ahalter at xxx.edu  Thu Apr 30 07:55:24 1998
From: ahalter at xxx.edu (ahalter)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:55:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: picky nick! los angeles style!
Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.94.980429234143.29259A-100000@nunki.usc.edu>

okay perhaps courtney has got all this under control but i feel like i
should mention this anyway...
its the los angeles picnic!
i am suggesting the observatory as the picnic place because its easy to
find and there is a great view of the city and we can make like james dean
in rebel without a cause...
and i think that we can probably picnic on the lawn or theres got to be
somewhere around there...
so who is bringing stuff? do we have any games? do we have something for
music listening? do we have P!O!P!? 
so this is what i know = not much of anything... courtney if you know more
of what is going on then please do mail me... otherwise i am taking
suggestions and offerings - mail them directly to me... also i think if
people could tell me or courtney whay they intend to bring for food we
could compile a list so that we donot wind up having 5 potato salads and
nothing else... and this way we can know how many people approximately are
coming and corresponding amounts of food... can everyone please bring
something?
i am thinking i will make vegan chocolate cupcakes... and maybe something
else but i dunno what yet...
so cmon los angeles/orange county listers! the picnic is scheduled for
2oclock saturday afternoon (may 2nd) griffith park observatory
be there or be a square
take care
allison

o i am such a rhymer...


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From afoley at xxx.com  Thu Apr 30 10:59:42 1998
From: afoley at xxx.com (afoley at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:59:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Picnics and things
Message-ID: <802565F6.00346A9E.00@csc.com>

Hello all you lovely lovelies,
Just read the last few digests and some interesting or should that be confusing
words therein...

Someone said that the NYC picnic didn't happen due to rain, then someone else said
that it did and about 45 people turned up - that's a bloody good showing, but then
again quite a few of you listees are across the ocean in the US of A, I suppose...
Well, even if it was raining,there's no need to abandon the idea totally, why not
take a leaf out of our Glasgow friends' book and just go and get pissed in a
nearby pub, err, I mean bar, and have a laugh or two??
On second thoughts, I don't even know why I'm suggesting this because I'm not in
the USA and am far too shy to go to the London picnic, I really am painfully shy
you know.  Besides which apart from having to go to work early on Tuesday, St
Etienne are playing here on the Monday night, and I'm still toying with the idea
of going to that gig, but I'm not too sure.  I'm also very indecisive, I think.

And what's all this talk of Hopkirk and Lee, the only Hopkirk I know used to be
with Randall and he was deceased anyway......

Why are people mentioning the Housemartins again? They don't need rediscovering
because they were a complete pile of doggy do's - that bloody happy hour song, so
bloody irritatingly catchy.  Why is it so many irritating songs are so catchy?  I
even find myself, sin of all sins, humming along to those damn Spice Girls from
time to time - sorry Roddddddddddddddddd, I know you love 'em, but they just get
reet on me tits!  Back on the housmartins thing again, that norman cook bloke who
played bass(?) doesn't he go under that slimboy fatty name tag now?
I believe he was involved with Cornershops Brimful of irritating ashtrays, but
have you heard that new one about sleeping on the left side?  It uses the bass
line from that Beats International cover of the SOS bands Just Be good to me - Dub
Be Good to Me, which aint surprising really cos that Norman Cook bloke used to be
in them aswell.  He gets around doesn't he!?!

And did someone mention G Love and Special Sauce???? Yes?  Goodo, I haven't heard
the new(ish) album, but I've got the blue one from 1994 and that was great, in
fact I must dig it out again and give it a play, oo err.

Off to see Feeder tonight at the Astoria, hopefully it will be good.

I may just settle for a picnic in my backgarden on Monday as I can't travel too
far on bank Holidays, something to do with the amount of alcohol I consume on Bank
Holiday weekends.......

Anyway, that's it for now, take care y'all and have fun.

Ady

>Crackout.     rock music.

PS - Hello to J.M. Taylor.  Are you Jim and don't I know you from somewhere.....?




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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Apr 30 11:26:39 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:26:39 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Thailand / Fanclub
Message-ID: <01bd7422$765c1c20$284f05c3@itjfvkli>

Spod said:

>    I think we should vote Oon most beautiful person simply for having the
>best name in the world.....ever :)

I quite agree, but we know very little about Ooon. Well, we all know that
Oooon lives in Thailand, but not much else. Ooooon's article contained a
lovely image of Belle and Sebastian as a swan in a busy street, an image
made all the more striking by the thought that it was a Thai street, with
elephants marauding hither and thither and people darting to and fro between
the elephants' legs in dug-out canoes laden with silk and spices. But
something troubles me....does Ooooooon look like Yul Brynner in The King and
I, or is Ooooooon really a girl? Of course it doesn't matter, because we all
know that boys are girls and girls are boys nowadays, but still...

So come on Oooooooon, how about a few identifying ink polaroids?

Also, how about marketing some "Listen, this is pish, I think I'll leave"
t-shirts? It's sure to be a money spinner.

Peter



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From ip211579 at xxx.pt  Thu Apr 30 12:37:14 1998
From: ip211579 at xxx.pt (ANTONIO ZUQUETE)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:37:14 +0100
Subject: Sinister: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?songs_that_you_shouldn=B4t_like!?=
Message-ID: <199804301136.MAA17303@mail2.ip.pt>

Hello,
Do you like any song(s) that you think you probably shouldn´t like but just
can´t help yourself ? Like,er, "is there something I should Know" from
duran duran or, whatever ?
	Tell me about it, maybe some of us have this "problem"!               
Pedro.

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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 30 12:36:44 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:36:44 +0100
Subject: Sinister: So, stop thinking so much about love and start thinking more about colours?
Message-ID: <3548624C.2737@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>

Another listee wrote about feeling intimidated/shy about coming to the
picnic. I know David has already gone over this manifold times, but I
just want point out something. WE ALL UNDERSTAND! We are all (I assume)
very different people but the one thing that we all have in common is
listening to and getting something special from Belle & Sebastian. A
band who deal almost exclusively in lovesongs to the misfits, the
outsiders, the dissapointed and the dreamers. Go back and listen to the
albums again, sit down in a comfy chair, maybe rustle up a cup of tea
and a bourbon and think to yourself, 'how can people who recognise
themselves in these emotions so much that they make the effort to mail
in, make web pages, organise picnics etc.. possibly be nasty!' It's a
foregone conclusion. We like you already.
 Much the same goes for the Blue Soda social. The idea of this is that
it's going to be like a fantastic party at your best friend's house
(except that hopefully, after the pubs shut we won't get gatecrashed by
a group of hard lads who look like East 17 and monopolise the stereo
playing nosebleed Techno and shooting murderous glances at anyone who
approaches them). The poetry cafe is a snug little nook with lovely
Laura ashley sofas, everyone there will be dead friendly and
approachable and they have KERPLUNK! So come...

 Oh and Cappadonna and the Wu-Tang clan are a bunch of wussies because
they run a beauty salon (true!) and they let that bint out of Texas
destroy one of their tracks. Second generation East Coast Hip-Hop
rules:- Gangstarr, EPMD, Main Source, PE, Eric & Rakim, Brand Nubian and
of course the original, the master:- Parappa the Rappa.

 Stay Lucky, Rory xxx

 P.S. Friday night will be the 42nd time I've seen Gregory's Girl. Is
this healthy?
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From keith at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 30 13:30:33 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:30:33 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Events and stuff
Message-ID: <01bd7433$c506e740$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>

I dunno about this alienated and disposessed bit really, people ought to
come to these things just cause it should be fairly obvious there's a really
nice bunch of people out there. I'm always wary of this alienated bit cause
it's really a load of bollocks, everyone's alienated as much as the next
person - or no-one. Yet again it singles a certain group of people off
(essentially the people who explicitly feel like they are for whatever
reason - and decide to try and show it). I don't particularly feel part of
this group myself even although I meet all these people and have a great
time. So come along anyway to these events please whatever you feel your
position is - I couldn't hack it if a group of people who're all having a
laugh suddenly becomes co-opted by some people who think they feel the
same - everyone's views are important and that's why we have a great mailing
list, cause there's a huge spread of opinion on stuff and people don't just
talk about fucking foxes all the time. Even RoDDnEEyySSS views are welcome.

    We could on the other hand become like a group of people who through
safety in numbers decide that they're better than people with differing
opinions - but that just wouldn't do. There are people out there whose views
on music - which I suppose is the main thing we talk about, differ massively
to mine, the Duke and Andreas perhaps spring to mind, but who without I'd be
a whole lot less interested in the list. It's just a case of living together
I suppose - which sounds all hippy-drippy but it's true.

Cheers,
    Keith.


ps :sorry for rambling a load of shite, bored in lunch hour - anyone going
to Money Mark in Glasgow tonight, will see you there if you are.

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From cleonard at xxx.COM  Thu Apr 30 15:00:34 1998
From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:00:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Events and stuff
Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=Murray_Johnstone%l=CARDHU-980430140034Z-11810@cardhu.murrayj.com>

i want contact lenses.  apparently their going cost 249 pounds a shot
cos i have strangely abnormal  eyes.  boo hiss.  guess i'm gonna be
speccy for the rest of my life.  I'm bored, didn't you
know..............i guess everyone that is scared to go to a
picnic will  not be scared by now.  but to make sure here is a true
story

"The Sparrow And The Dog" by Chris age 22
===================================

"Aye", said the sparrow to the dog, "it's going to be a hard winter".

"Tell me about it", said the dog to the sparrow, "Last week when the
ground was clear I buried a big tasty bone.  It was the best bone I have
ever had, and now that the snow has fallen, I can't remember where I
buried it!"

"I have a bigger problem than that", said the sparrow.  "I'm supposed to
be in Africa just now with all the other sparrows.  They left yesterday
when I was asleep, and I don't know how to get there on my own.  It's
getting terribly cold now.  I don't know what to do!"

"Why don't you come down of that tree and help me find my bone", said
the dog.  And while we're looking I'll think of something."

The little sparrow hopped off it's snowy branch onto the top of the dogs
head.  "OK then", he said.

The little sparrow and the big dog searched for the bone until it
started to get dark.  

"It's getting dark now", said the dog.  "I really should be getting back
home for my dinner.  Won't you come with me, my little friend?  You are
very welcome".  "Yes, I would love to come with you", said the sparrow.

The dog and the little sparrow went back to the dogs kennel where they
ate and drank their fill, savouring each others company.

THE END

Do you understand?  The sparrow and the dog both had problems of their
own but they pulled together and had some magic food.  This is just
like shy people going to a belle and sebastian style picnic.  OK?

hugs,
melancholy chris 

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From cg224 at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 30 15:08:33 1998
From: cg224 at xxx.uk (C. Gregor)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:08:33 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: h'lo
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980430145315.25655A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

h'lo as ever.
 I was just reading through the digest and came across some comments about
the list and what types of people there are here etc etc..

and it made me start thinking about the whole belle and seb thing.

I was looking for some people to play  music, start a band so that I
could amp up and get other peoples' input on my songs and I put notices up
all over
town (Cambridge). thjis was a year and  a half ago. this bloke replied and
I thought all well and good, he played bass and other things and we seemed
to get on. we played together for a while and I (it being my first real
foray into this kinda thing)_ got aaaalllll hyper and thought it would all
work out great (straight to the island of Conclusions). He then sold me
his bass and I never heard from him again.
I returned all his stuff with a note wondering why he was so mean (only I
used the word wierd) and thought to myself at least he could've TOOOOOLD
me instead of gutlessly slinking off to no-contactland. Once he had tha
monay. Nasty, no?

But it all worked out ok because among the many tapes we lent each other
was If You're Feeling Sinister which I listedned to constantly for about 6
months. And then I went about organising a band with a much better
attitude (less assumption)and it's all going well, gigs and all.

So there we are. That was how I got to hear Belle and Sebastian. And my
drummer is called Sebastian. And his sister is called Isabelle.

It must be fate.

Does anyone have any favourite recipes?

How about Sunday May 3rd for the Cambridge boogie?

enuff.
x
Milla.

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From vegus at xxx.no  Thu Apr 30 16:56:10 1998
From: vegus at xxx.no (Stein Vegusdal)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:56:10 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Teenage B&S Fanclub
Message-ID: <000501bd7450$7ec83e60$6d064382@default>

Last sunday i met Teenage Fanclub after a gig in Oslo - Norway, where
i asked them a few questions about B&S. The whole band seemed to be big
fans,
and (at least) three members of the band are proud owners of Tigermilk!

Norman Blake told me that Stuart M. was a good friend of his, and was very
happy
when i told him about the prices Tigermilk gets these days. He said "thats
good for
Stuart, he deserves all the success in the world!"

They also hoped they would get a chance to see B&S live again, soon.

Stein




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From Andrewnic at xxx.com  Thu Apr 30 16:58:50 1998
From: Andrewnic at xxx.com (Andrewnic)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:58:50 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Babies Names
Message-ID: <65d3409e.35489fbc@aol.com>

According to a book of babies names (the first is a bit obvious!):

Belle: Beautiful. A French name whose Italian form is Bella. Other forms: Bel,
Bella.

Sebastian: Venerable. The name of the Roman saint martyred with arrows was
popular on the Continent. Imported by the Tudor playrights, it has enjoyed a
revival helped by athlete Sebastian Coe. Other forms: Seb, Sebastien, Steb.

Ho hum.

Boredom is infectious.

Andy.
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From kschaffe at xxx.edu  Thu Apr 30 17:41:31 1998
From: kschaffe at xxx.edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:41:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sinister: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?songs_that_you_shouldn=B4t_like!?=
In-Reply-To: <199804301136.MAA17303@mail2.ip.pt>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980430113832.5420A-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>

On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, ANTONIO ZUQUETE wrote:

> Hello,
> Do you like any song(s) that you think you probably shouldn�t like but just
> can�t help yourself ? Like,er, "is there something I should Know" from
> duran duran or, whatever ?
> 	Tell me about it, maybe some of us have this "problem"!               
> Pedro.


  Yes.  One song, an oldie, that always plays at my work and goes, "Will 
I see you in September, or lose you to a summer love?"  It's such a 
stupid song, but boyfriendish person leaves for home for the summer in a 
couple of weeks.  
  Also, a song by the Sundays that is always playing on the radio that 
goes, "You and me in the summmmmertimmmme, and (more lyrics that I don't 
know)..."
  Neither are really terrible songs, but, honestly, how can I maintain my 
indie rock persona with songs like these stuck in my head?? :)

  -Kristen 
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 30 16:40:10 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:40:10 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tales of Preston.....
Message-ID: <wr$JVFAatJS1EwJD@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

...or, Sarahs guide to making a tit out of yourself in front of people
you haven't met before

I got to Preston bus station at about 5 to six, the plan was to be
meeting the delactable Tim H!O!P!kins there at 10 past. AS I was walking
poast the Manchester stop, I see some who I think looks a tad familair.
So, what do i do?

"Excuse me, are you Tim Hopkins?"
Look a bit closer to see if I m sure?

NO. i have to go

"hi are you the guy i'm looking for?"

mr man" um, no ....um...." (looks scared)

well, then it turns out that this IS Tim, so off we head into town to
try and get some food! For our PRESTON PICNIC, I had two bourbon
biscuits and 2 hula hoops, and Meester Teem had gone to M&S to buy
butties and pop, and we ate them on one of the strangely shaped picker-
nick tables in Winkley Square! While there, we derided the entire human
race on the basis of the NME STYLE guide, discussed various manners of
music, and ate our picker-nick butties with much gusto!

We then made our way to the stormin' Preston Adelphi. And as soon as we
get there, one of us see's people they know. Would it be Sarah, the girl
who is in Preston every day? NO! Again, Tim shows himself up to be a
socialite of some repute by knowing more people there then I do! Tis
fine, they are nice, though one person decided he would tell me to watch
out as another girl wanted me to work in her ferret factory...i said
that was perfectly fine as i happened to love ferrets, and this guy goes
DARN! and runs off....leaving me somewhat confused...

Anyway fast forward ---> after getting perhaps the last 2 tickets for
the gig, we wandered off upstairs to see Electric Sound Of Joy. Hmm.
*wonders* Perhaps Electric Sound of Boredom? The Sinister duet decided
to move downstairs again, and block the bar, discuss reggae and vinyl,
and reggae vinyls....Tim tells about his hiphop past, I say proudy that
I have one Wu-Tang single and that will do me for now....and luckily the
hip-hop wars are not relived!

We see Monkey Boy downstairs...and decide to go back upstairs....as my
back is killing me, I need to sit down! I silently choked as I walked in
as I had never seen teh Adelphi jammed as such, so I think I snaked
through the people, and sat on the stage resting on the speaker thing.
Completely in the way, jolly fun!

And HoneyPaul! Your mission was carried out. Unlike SOME people too
afraid to say this, *i* informed Aidan of your message.... as he was
wandering past me to go and "take pictures of naked birds pissing" i was
pushed by SOMEONE into him, and thus shouted in his ear "hey Stuart
Murdoch pissed himself at your DISGRACE TO FALKIRK article", and Aidan
laughs and goes summat like "Disgrace to Flakirk thank you thats us" and
i turn round, and with complete dignity say "mission accomplished". Or
something. :)

AS Da Strap were perviously engaged, the gig did not start as planned
therfore due to having to catch last buses, The Daring Sinister Duo take
their leave of the Adelphi, and wander their way through the deserted
streets of Preston to the bus station, leap on respective buses, and hie
their way home :)

Due to a little alcohol imbibment by me, I kind of fall asleep-ish on
the bus the way home, and today I write with a bad case of the flu!
Hangover faded after I filled myself up with drugs, now I just have the
"not stopping coughing" thing, and teh who drank all the lemsips look.

TO make this better, guess what! I got an email from an old mate through
telling me i have an interview with 60 FOOT DOLLS!!! ooooh....i'm off
back to bed......

So monsuier tim what does thou think? :)
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
" fotherington thomas who does lark around saying hello trees hello flowers. he 
is a wet and a weed and i shun him utterly"
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From jeepster.uk at xxx.net  Thu Apr 30 18:07:41 1998
From: jeepster.uk at xxx.net (Katrina House)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:07:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Help!
Message-ID: <3548AFDD.BEF23368@virgin.net>

hello list,

i just tried the "which spice girl are you most like" thingie, and i was
suitably scared when i was told i am like mel b ... should i be worried?

sorry i haven't posted much recently, read that as meaning not a lot of
b&s news at the moment ... hopefully some soon-ish.

got lots of snow patrol gossip if anyone's interested tho'!  (sorry
paul, back to topic ... oops, nothing to say on that either ...!)

i'll go then.

bye,
Katrina.

p.s. - hope to meet a lot of you over the weekend at the social and
picnic ... don't be scared, they'll be fun! bye, k.


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From honey at xxx.net  Thu Apr 30 18:13:15 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:13:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: happy tunes
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980430175903.803O-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>

OK - honeybrain dump.  There's a couple of additions to the WWW page,
Oon's article from the Thai magazine "GT" is now online and there's a
meoow from Splat the Cat, who some of us share our lives with -
important that.  http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/#new

Peter Schmiller asked to apposite questions: 1) what's Edwina
Currie's daughter doing now (UK fans only) - Peter she's really hit
the entertainment world big time, she does a program called "Agony"
on cable's worst (i.e. best) channel, "Live TV" - she's not even the
presenter but a "panellist" trying to sort out our problems.  Also 2)
what does Oon look like.  This will be confirmed very soon when my
scanner's fixed as I have a Christmas Tree photo of Oon, and I can
confirm she doesn't look like Les Dawson.  It's a dead good photo and
you've all got to see it.

Also on the photo side, there's some more up, of Minka's cat, who is
called Minka, and of a Dina gang in New York, and one of Chris
Leonard's bedroom wall.  All at

	http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/people

if anyone's into all that and is looking for a life partner.  Oh, and
loads more.  Reminder that we are looking for baby pictures, so send
any to me, JPG format - if you're scared of the competition, be very
scared, because at

	http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/minipeople

we're all very cute indeed.

honey pee xxxxx

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From krivas at xxx.gov  Thu Apr 30 18:45:36 1998
From: krivas at xxx.gov (Kimberly Rivas-Plata)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:45:36 -0400
Subject: Sinister: songs that you =?iso-8859-1?Q?shouldn=B4t?= like!
Message-ID: <v03007801b16e5decd0c9@[128.231.54.141]>

Antonio wrote:

>Do you like any song(s) that you think you probably shouldn´t like but just
>can´t help yourself ?

YES! It's horrible! And I'm not sure how it happens either. I won't even
begin to mention what songs those are for fear of being flamed, though a
few bands like Ocean Colour Scene and Def Leppard spring to mind.

What's even worse is when you catch yourself singing along to songs you
don't even like that much. There's this classic rock station in the area
that I sometimes flip to in my car when I get sick of hearing Pearl Jam
and 311 for the ten-zillionth time. What's scary is that I can sing along
fairly well to most of these songs, and half the time I have no idea who
they're by or what the title is. Where the heck did I learn them in the
first place is what I want to know! I've never owned a Zepplin album in
my entire life yet I bet I can sing along to 90% of the songs!

On a more b&s related note....
I was up in the big apple this past weekend (didn't make the nyc picnic
cause of that yucky rain) and, of course, made an obligatory trip to the
Virgin Megastore to get the DOW ep and complete my collection! But just
as I was searching for the "Belle & Sebastian" tab in the "B" section,
this other girl reached in front of me, started rifling through it, pulled
out the last DOW and started looking at it! I nearly screamed! Here I had
come all the way from DC that morning and this girl snatched my glorious
prize right out from under me. So I looked at her pleading-like and
said that I had intended on purchasing it first and so could I have it
please. She gave it to me without a grudge - lucky for her cause my next
ploy would have been to threaten her to relinquish it and if that didn't
work to bop her in the nose or something. (well, no, not really - I'm not
a very violent person actually. I'm all bark and no bite) Geez, what a
person has to go thru to get a cd nowadays!

In the end I had a pleasant conversation with her about b&s and the list
and the picnics and all. So maybe there'll be a new nyc listee soon....

ttfn,
kim


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From ooon at xxx.th  Thu Apr 30 19:04:47 1998
From: ooon at xxx.th (oon)
Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 01:04:47 +0700
Subject: Sinister: beautiful name?!
References: <01bd73a8$eefb79c0$LocalHost@mbge5dss>
Message-ID: <3548BD3E.3958@samart.co.th>

The Spod wrote:

>     I think we should vote Oon most beautiful person simply for having the
> best name in the world.....ever :)

what??

why???

as much as i adore my name, this compliment is much too big
to accept without questioning...what's behind it mr.Spod?

also, PJMiller wrote:

> ........an image made all the more
> striking by the thought that it was a Thai street, with
> elephants marauding hither and thither and people darting to and fro between
> the elephants' legs in dug-out canoes laden with silk and spices. But
> something troubles me....does Ooooooon look like Yul Brynner in The King and
> I, or is Ooooooon really a girl? Of course it doesn't matter, because we all
> know that boys are girls and girls are boys nowadays, but still...

mr miller, now i'm sure you must be at least 60 years 
of age.  you've been here back in half a century 
ago, haven't you? :) that was exactly how things
were from what my ancestor told me.  
my grandma would be rather happy to have a chat with you!

> So come on Oooooooon, how about a few identifying ink polaroids?

um, is it enough to say i'm no yul brynner? 
make it half his size and add a little hair maybe.

 :)
oon xxx
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From susannah at xxx.net  Thu Apr 30 20:30:53 1998
From: susannah at xxx.net (susannah)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 19:30:53 GMT
Subject: Sinister: My old mans a dustman... Knees up mother Brown.....
Message-ID: <980430193053.n0011393.tormentor@mail.clara.net>

Yes.
I haven't posted for ooh goddamn ages but nothing much has been going on in my
little world except  a) I have been on holiday and b) my sleaze points have
rocketed.

I have been reading the accounts of the picnics with great interest, and just
KNOW that the London picnic will top them all.

Ten Reasons Why The London Picnic Will Be BETTER.

1) I'm going
2) We won't be threatened by the spectre of begbie turning up.
3) London is warmer.
4) Ok Ok, so Stuart Murdoch won't be there, but we *may* get the ever so sexy
James from top pop sensation Salako (Katrina, can you sort it?)
5) You can drink alcohol in public in London.
6) You don't get hassled by smackheads.
7) Primrose Hill is Posh.
8) We're not having dairylea triangles as they're for scrubbers, we'll all be
bringing Fortnum & Mason hampers. Oh yes.
9) We're playing Nude Twister followed by Hide the Sausage.
10) David's organising it, so you just KNOW it will be executed with military
precision.

Err... thats it.

Stay rude

Susannah xx.

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 30 19:36:30 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:36:30 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: happy tunes
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980430175903.803O-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980430193520.5893B-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>

Paul said....

she does a program called "Agony"  on cable's worst (i.e. best) channel,
"Live TV" 

shouldn't that be L!VE TV.

pedantically,

espadrille


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From sarah at xxx.uk  Thu Apr 30 21:01:09 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:01:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Help!
In-Reply-To: <3548AFDD.BEF23368@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <+fYKoAAFiNS1Ewq2@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

hiya people!!!
>
>i just tried the "which spice girl are you most like" thingie, and i was
>suitably scared when i was told i am like mel b ... should i be worried?

no, be greatful...i did that, and i got...baby spice....aaaaaauuughh!
and what makes it even worse is that i had my hair in two bunches kinda
like hers but much funkier (obviously!), and oooh dear....please, a list
warning, i am not at all like baby spice!
>
>p.s. - hope to meet a lot of you over the weekend at the social and
>picnic ... don't be scared, they'll be fun! 

doh, *i* want a funky social near me, moooommmy..... :)
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
                        
" fotherington thomas who does lark around saying hello trees hello flowers. he 
is a wet and a weed and i shun him utterly"
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From MRissb7989 at xxx.com  Thu Apr 30 20:29:07 1998
From: MRissb7989 at xxx.com (MRissb7989)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:29:07 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Bugger!
Message-ID: <20550b7.3548d104@aol.com>

Sniff...goodbye cruel world!

I'm going to have to "unsubscribe sinister" I'm afraid.....(not that I ever
posted much anyway)

Reason being, my firm went bust today, so as from Tuesday I'm swelling the
ranks of the unemployed, and I have to give this here computer back....

So I won't be around basically, and if anybody wants to keep in touch then
pleeaaasssse do let me know what's happening:

Martin Rissbrook  (Risso)
61A Wigan Lane
Wigan
WN1 2LF
UK

Tel 01942 518292

Hey ho, that's life......see you all soon I hope!

:::::sob::::::::will miss you all, esp. the chat room bunch...

Risso
XxXxX

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From vanessa.figueras at xxx.se  Thu Apr 30 23:22:44 1998
From: vanessa.figueras at xxx.se (Vanessa Figueras)
Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 00:22:44 +0200
Subject: Sinister: songs that you shouldn´t like!
References: <199804301136.MAA17303@mail2.ip.pt>
Message-ID: <3548F9B3.35AF70F5@swipnet.se>

Duh, doesn't everyone get that? The funny thing is that you always know the
entire lyric. One of those songs is Unbelivable with EMF. And all the ABBA
songs, but since I'm from Sweden that's OK I guess. And you can't hide it
either. It's the new plague!! AAHHH, bad songs take over our brains!!!!!!!!!! I
think I'd better go to bed now, bye

ANTONIO ZUQUETE skrev:

> Hello,
> Do you like any song(s) that you think you probably shouldn´t like but just
> can´t help yourself ? Like,er, "is there something I should Know" from
> duran duran or, whatever ?
>         Tell me about it, maybe some of us have this "problem"!
> Pedro.
>
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Wed Apr  8 21:47:17 1998
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:47:17 -0700
Subject: Sinister: this is just a weeworld boring email
Message-ID: <001b01bd632f$858153e0$3111020a@rebelstrange>

i just had to set the  record straight: i was never bedded by Gene Simmons.
this much i am sure of, and i'm not sure of much.
Broadcast are lovely. maybe not as Kewt as stereolab, but who can be?  i was
thinking, why isn't there a Tiger Beat for sadd people like me.  it would
have a feature on all the members of stereolab, what kind of ice cream they
like and what their starsigns are.  an Isobel fashion tips feature in which
she tells us her fave do's and don'ts for  preserving that WeeBelle style.
Pinups of Chan Marshall and Chris Geddes and Sleater-Kinney!! oh the
humanity.  wouldn't you all buy a mag like that??    See, i made something
up like tha t in high school, it was called "BopAlternative" but it was sad,
because i was sad then.  it had people like Brett anderson and Polly Harvey
and Liz Phair.   i didn't even like liz phair, i just tho't she ought to be
in it.

"If Chan were my princess, i would call her "sugar lily" and "buxom flower"
and kiss her long fingers in the dark and cry on her shoulder...."

for the gentle waves merchandising dept.........
jeepster should make hair slides with  a little belle's face on
them,appropriate.  lso, the cartoon of B&S should have them all in
japanese school uniforms, fighting cryme and shapeshifting liek sailor moon,
cept instead of the cats it would be the dog on wheels.   who wouldn't  want
to see sarah in a little sailor suit!  cuteness.

I had an idea.  a lame idea, but anyway.  I have to update the uh Wee World
to coincide with the Gender Waivers spectacular. so i was inspired by
reading that article on isobel clones, was it?   Probably no one will be as
amused by obsessiveness and silliness as i am, but i ws wondering. if anyone
out there singly or all together has any different photos of isobel in
various modes of garb, or info on her fashion. i would make a page of her
vicariously gathered fashion do's so that aspiring clones can be guided by
the master.   i think it would be funny.   Not useful, mind you, just vapid.
but if anyone has any words or fotos or tips for this, i'd be forever
grateful.     Kiss kiss luvvy.  Eventually i should have a page of fotos
when i gather them and receive them.
"it's just some  escapist literature"
Delta of Venus is indeed a  very naughty book.  i happened upon it in the
bookstore the other day when i was busy buying my radical feminist quota
text.  i picked it up, cos i  was  (naturally) curious about what kind of
"kinky Love" would turn isobel on.   BLAAAUGH!!!  that's some nasty  stuff i
have to admit.  there was only one story i saw that seemed to have girl
action in it, and it was a threesome. not very palatable.  i guess i'm not
liberated, but it didn't really interest me......ayyyyy.     DIDNT want to
read about how to squeeze some guy's 'balls".  but whatever floats your
boat....methinks our genteel   waver  not so genteel  after all!!

i've been reading a couple stories here and there about girls catholic
boarding  schools.  i never knew girls in pinafores could be so  sexy.  this
is   revelatory.   now i'm bitter that i wasnt'  sent to a stuffy British
girls school where i had to wear woolen socks and answer to Headmistresses
adn say grace before i ate.   my childhood sucked.......

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The boat that brings us here will crack beneath your weight. This is
territory you cannot invade.


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