From pookie59 at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 00:45:43 1998 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:45:43 PST Subject: Sinister: new ep Message-ID: <19981201004543.9208.qmail@hotmail.com> is the new ep going to be availible,for like everywhere? or just the uk? I shall have to be telling a certain cutie to reserve me a copy. (yay! belle and sebastian give good opppurtunities to talk to people...yeah,they THINK all you're interested is is music..silly unsuspecting dillies) dammit,i want to do a video...i'm going to do it. (i can only use the schools cheap camera though,it won't look very professional) does that band have to be in it...do they want to be? meaning...would they come to woodsmoke,quebec to do filming? it's so lovely up the mountains there...and today was so warm,if the weather stays like this..they wouldn't have to bring much clothing (where's the snow?) it made me feel happy..the windy was whirling all around me,and i felt like a princess..or storm from the x-men who has wind-summoning powers. megan,i need your tough-girl assistance again! we should form a gang,like the Switchblade Sisters. fiddle faddle! xxx g ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From escossia at xxx.br Tue Dec 1 00:47:33 1998 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:47:33 -0200 Subject: Sinister: Belle et Sebastien on Brazilian TV Message-ID: <01be1cc4$2e92e860$0100007f@localhost> There's a TV program here called FANTASTICO ( Do i need to translate it ? it's very similar... just a *O-less* in the end , if you know what i mean) It's a sunday night program full of boring subjects such as live in mars, the music in the "Portuguese spoken" Africa, the last living blah blah blah bird who lives in the rain florest, the way whales in south Australia f**** these kind of things .... Can you believe they use one Belle and Sebastian's song as a music background yesterday ? Millions of boring people (sunday night ? ) listening to B&S as the same time !!!!! sounds nice, but... David & Katrina. Sue them..i don't think they payed anything to our lovely Belle and Sebastian. I love this DUO, you know ! NO B&S subject NOW. Is really true that someone very close to Tony Blair wasted Queen Mother money in a Gay Club down here in Brazil ? Wow. England is a nice country !!!!! :o) Take Care ~~~^~^v^~^v^~^v^~^v^~v^~^v^~^v^~ Ivo A P Escossia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kwl96 at xxx.edu Tue Dec 1 02:17:24 1998 From: kwl96 at xxx.edu (azrael) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:17:24 -0500 Subject: Sinister: hello Message-ID: well, kids, i'm back. and i've brought an ink polaroid with me: these feet here, they're mine and Jonny's. mine are the ones in the reddish steel-toe boots. his are the ones in the black zippered combat bots. we're both wearing navy blue slacks so our legs are indistinguishable from each other. it's hard to tell from the angle of this picture, but we're lying down on his bed. there's the blue bedsheets over to the right. just our feet in boots like that, all intertwined. it's a punk rock romance. -kerry "red usually means caution. or beef if it's a bullion cube." -"toys" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Thessaly1 at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 07:08:51 1998 From: Thessaly1 at xxx.com (Thessaly1 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 02:08:51 EST Subject: Sinister: cover stars Message-ID: <5bc97d4a.36639603@aol.com> hi there! i haven't really had a proper look at the "this is just a modern rock song" ep yet so i don't know who is on the cover, but i was wondering who are on the covers for the 3,6,9, ep and the lazy line painter jane one! i think lesley jo said that a younger stuart murdoch is on the 3,6,9 one. it does look like him. can anyone vouch for this? and if so, who is the girl with him? jennifer +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From brier at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 07:46:26 1998 From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:46:26 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Re:criminations Message-ID: <002301be1cfe$b4aa8ea0$499ecdcf@brier> Well it's my first post in days.... forgive the curiosity-grabbing title.... but I guess I was just wondering how Stuart is able to write songs that touch so many people on so many levels (witness "Seeing Other People", coming out of my CD player now). Wanted to chat so bad, but couldn't get past the icon on my desktop when it asked which program I wanted to open the chat in. Perhaps a question for the Kitchen eventually, that.... Loved the Dirty Dream video scenarios, hope to see one on the telly soon. My only idea involved peeling a carrot towards a framed Mona Lisa, the thin peelings sticking to her face & breastplate region. So I didn't post it. Oh shit, I just did. Is anyone else drunk on beer tonite? Will anyone forgive if that has an effect on this useless post, as long as I say something relevant like: "I sure hope I don't end up hating 'The Gate' just because everyone else does", and "I sure hope they decide to tour here on the west coast of the USA sometime before I have children old enough to appreciate them." Or: "Oooohhh, has anyone seen that Brier guy in the photo gallery (both the "Now" photo and the "Baby" picture??? Mmmmmm). I hear Honey had to do some extensive air-brushing, but he looks Fiiiiiiiine. (Fade to sound of list-crushes swarming like a dozen crushing blows.) I sure hope that the new TEEJAMMERS e.p. is available here in the US, even on import. I've heard so much about the songs, but I'd like to meet them in person. You all (even those I've privately settled minor flames with) are the cat's pyjamas (I mean that..) i remain, brier +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Tue Dec 1 09:45:45 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 01:45:45 -0800 Subject: Sinister: I am a witch, i am a witch, i am a witch Message-ID: <001c01be1d0f$5ef85300$2811020a@rebelstrange> hello sinister ones, having a sinister day i trust (or evening as may be) i swear upon stu's arms of sex that i am not drunk righ tnow, im' just really silly and i've been sick for a day and i feel sort of dizzy so take that into account. i thoght about getting a thing of pink champagne today but i decided against it. MMMM david kitchen mentioned amelia fletcher, how's that for ah KISMET ??? not really cos ther ewas the whole she and me thread, but i can't help it i think everything is an omen. GAWD i'm so jealous i wish i lived int eh uk, i would be on tv talking about the shiny apple, i'm going to cry now. and let it be said that Neil is the nicest guy in the world, there it was said, yah neil rawks ya know it babee, that's one groovin cat and one swell fella in da house, give it up i'm gonna shout out to my posse STUARTS in DA HOUSE!!!! oh yeah Stuart murdoch has a Shiny Apple Posse everyone, have you done your homework, are you scrawling the following phrases on walls and stalls of your country roaming grounds and abroad: We Rule the School, Le Pastie de La Bourgeoisie, Belle and Sebastian are God, Stuart Murdoch Buffs My Apple, For a Wicked Time Call Isobel.... ??? get to work people!! rome wasn't built in a day! dirty dream idea i'm just going to think up one right now: ok i was thinking of this yesterday and i forgot it. but it would be a cool dirty dream vid. they could fix up a place like the warhol factory and all dress up as various superstars, stu m would be andy, and EDIE duh!!! and there could be shiny aluminum foil everywhere and decadent dancing and outrageious fashion as implied by the GORGEOUS swell of the music of dirty dream!!!!! there could be scenes with people playing fun games like pin the tail on the donkey, or the stuart, and silver pants YEAH! then at the end you cut to outside the only window in the whole place which is down a hallway as we excape away from the noise and profligation and fornication going on in the Factory, and out the window across a shadowy moor, a tiny sweet cottage with little cows chwing cud in the dark as the stars begin to fade, and in the golden window a paddington bed-for-8 and all the belle imps nestled snugly, clutching their baby blankets and ba-ba's and .......... it WAS A DREAM!! GET IT??? *wooo* i'm so good! Band members are you listening? million dollar idea! *wooWOO* money train, all aboard...... (oh yeah and dont' forget the part where sarah and isobel get it on) i would like to express that i totally understand the guy who posted about coming to tears listenign to arab strap in a listening booth, having just Discovered teh record today. yeah i''ve had it for over a month, but( dont' laugh at me!!!) it just never did for me the way it did today, i played it at least 7 times i'm sure. whatever! i won't go on about it cos i'm sure all you have gone over every bit of it already. FINALLY Enough ALREADY with this talk of isobel's 'orifice"!!!!!! i shall have you drawn and quartered, you-you - Animals! how dare you. it is just wrong as wrong can be, and truly Wicked to boot, but in the worst sense. you may as well go on about MY orifice, well, go on, dont 'be shy about it, what filth you wanna shove in there? about time we stopped this perniciously pornographic patriarchally poisoned nonsennse, and whip some arses into shape. no we will no have no such talk if i can help it. it makes me ill when sweet girls are made into dirty fantasies, and dont' say i know ti was your fantasy! Hummph-- MEN!!! you obviously haven't been reading your radical feminist manifestoes lately., well i've done your work for you, and NOW get ready for a pop Quiz!! *RebelJo storms off in a huff, making a beeline for her machete case, and picks up a Nutcracker on the way back* i shall have my Isobel page up very soon, and rest assured that discussions of orifices of any kind will be strongly discouraged therein! (Joan of Arc) was once saluted by a soldier who recognized her as "La Pucelle"(the maid). He bragged to a companion: "If I could only get a hold of her for a night, by God, she wouldn't be a virgin much longer." Joan heard and answered, "You mock God and yet you shall soon die." In less than an hour, the soldier --Intercourse, .Dworkin you watch me like TV, talk about me like a movie, you're so dirty... Dream till you couldn't see her face but you saw everything else..... *hearts and crosses*, valerie solanas(sic) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keith at xxx.uk Tue Dec 1 09:31:48 1998 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:31:48 -0000 Subject: Sinister: cover stars In-Reply-To: <5bc97d4a.36639603@aol.com> Message-ID: <000301be1d0d$6b17e120$4e0129c2@sun.QSS> hi there! i haven't really had a proper look at the "this is just a modern rock song" ep yet so i don't know who is on the cover, but i was wondering who are on the covers for the 3,6,9, ep and the lazy line painter jane one! i think lesley jo said that a younger stuart murdoch is on the 3,6,9 one. it does look like him. can anyone vouch for this? and if so, who is the girl with him? Here's the answer... 14. Who's on the covers of the records? Tigermilk : Joanne Kenney If you're feeling sinister : Ciara MacLaverty Dog on Wheels : Joanne Kenney Lazy Line Painter Jane : Thea Martin 3,6,9 Seconds of Light : Stuart Murdoch and Victoria Morton The Boy with the Arab Strap : Chris Geddes Cheers, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keith at xxx.uk Tue Dec 1 09:43:28 1998 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:43:28 -0000 Subject: Sinister: FAQ list again... Message-ID: <000401be1d0f$0c823f50$4e0129c2@sun.QSS> Belle and Sebastian : Frequently asked Questions 1. What is Tigermilk, where can I get a copy? Tigermilk is the bands first album and was released around about May 1996. It was released as part of a Stow College course whereby Alan Rankine (of the Associates) fronts up the cash to record a single every year, although with Belle and Sebastian they decided that there was enough material for an album, hence Tigermilk. There were only 1000 copies pressed and so the record is worth a lot of money now. The band have always mantained that Tigermilk will be re-released at some point, and this will definitely be the case, currently some time in 1999. 2. Who is the guest singer on Lazy Line Painter Jane? The female singer on Lazy Line Painter Jane is Monica Queen, formerly of countryish Glasgow band Thrum. Thrum released a record a few years ago, about 1994 I think. Last I heard she was recording with her own band which is called "Monica", or at least that's what it was called in February 1997. Here's a list of releases. "Purify" 7", "Thrum" / "Here I am" / "So glad" 12"/CDs and the "Rifferama" LP/CD 3. What is "Elvis" in A Century of Elvis. No-one knows bar the author really, but it's probably a cat, perhaps a tortoise, maybe actually Elvis, maybe it's Tortelvis from Dread Zeppelin who knows, and to be quite honest, who cares. 4. Who is in the band... Stuart Murdoch - singing guitar, trumpet apparently now, for the twin lead trumpet effect. Isobel Campbell - singing, cello, various Sarah Martin - violin, weird things Stevie Jackson - Guitar, piano, singing. Stuart David - Bass Mick Cooke - Trumpet, various Chris Geddes - keyboards Richard Colburn - Drums Neil Robertson has been known to play bass on Stuart David's "Spaceboy Dream", which brings me on to... 5. What other bands have members of Belle and Sebastian involved in? There's quite a number of things here. I'm sure it's not complete either, it's just what I can remember off hand. Chris Geddes : currently V-Twin and Golden Rodeo (think that's what they're called). Has played on Arab Strap records. V-Twin have released two singles (to my knowledge), Gifted, and a 12", In the land of the Pharoes. Mick Cooke : Used to play with Hardbody, who released two singles on Epic (On your own, Hazel's hob). Now plays with the Karelia and the Amphetameanies. Has also played on releases by Mojave 3, Ex-Cathedra. Probably others too. Stuart Murdoch : Played on releases by Polarbear and Arab Strap. Previously : (Early) Digger$, Lisa Helps The Blind, Rhode Island. Richard Colburn : Has played with Polarbear/Snowpatrol Isobel Campbell : Has played on Arab Strap records, also played on the Snowpatrol record and sings her own songs. Stuart David : Stuart David has a side project called "Looper". There has been one single released on Sub-pop singles club called "Impossible things" and there is an album planned. 6. What records have been released? Tigermilk (LP) May 1996 If you're feeling sinister (LP) November 1996 Dog on Wheels (EP) April 1997 Lazy Line Painter Jane (EP) June 1997 3,6,9 Seconds of Light (EP) October 1997 The Boy with the Arab Strap (LP) September 1998 7. What's that song at the end of the 3,6,9 seconds of light EP called. It's called "Songs for Children". 8. What about all these unreleased songs that people keep belting on about in order to make themselves look smart? Pocketbook Angel London has let me down Hurley's having dreams These are little demos of old songs that will as far as we know, never ever be released as Belle and Sebastian. Loneliness of the middle distance runner Modern Rock song Rhoda People around the place have tapes of various different versions of these, they've been kicking around for a while and they may well be released reasonably soon, there are numerous different versions of the Loneliness of the middle distance runner. I Know where the summer goes The Gate These two will probably be a part of the next single... Which they are, as the next single contains This is just a modern rock song The gate I know where the summer goes Slow Graffiti Here's another piece by Peter Miller : One of the rarest Belle and Sebastian related recordings is a home produced demo of "To Sir With Love", the Lulu song from the film of the same name. The recording features the plaintive voice of Stuart Murdoch alone with his Casiotone keyboard, and is rumoured to be heartbreakingly beautiful. From the same recording session comes one of Murdoch's earliest attempts at songwriting, but no one can remember what it's called. It mentions "She Made Me Realise" by My Bloody Valentine. Efforts to locate these recordings have proved unsuccesful so far. 9. What sessions have they done on the radio? The first session was around about September 1996 here Mark Lamarr sat in for Mark and Lard at night... They played Judy and the dream of horses Like Dylan in the movies The State that I am in The stars of track and field The second was about February 1997 on Mark + Lard's program again and they played : I could be dreaming Seeing other people (slow version) We rule the school Modern Rock song The third was on Steve Lamacq's evening session and they played : Lazy Line Painter Jane Sleep the clock around Slow Graffiti Seymour Stein They did one of Stevie Jackson's tracks "Wrong Love" one night when the evening session was live from Glasgow. Apparently this is now called "Wrong Girl", will it be called "Wrong Sheep" at some point in the future? The fourth less well known session was on Peter Easton's Radio Scotland music program where he played : The Loneliness of the middle distance runner Slow Graffiti Modern Rock song. 10. Who is Tigermilk dedicated to? Tigermilk is dedicated to Lawrence Bradby, who's a friend of Stuart's. I dunno how frequently asked this question is, but it certainly was asked frequently recently as regards a competition on French radio. 11. Are Belle and Sebastian twee? No, they rock. 12. Dog on Wheels, what's the story there then? Well it's not really Belle and Sebastian on that EP, as you'll see if you have a look at who played on it. Here's the story: All the songs on the EP were recorded some time, either at the end of '95, or start of '96, at Beat Box studios, which is where Stuarts Murdoch and David were doing a doley sound engineering course at the time. Pretty much everyone who plays on it were on the course as well, apart from Mick. One of the guys who ran the studio was Alan Rankine, of Stow College, and Electric Honey Records, which is where he came in. So hopefully that'll put an end to the word of loads of hoary old session musicians playing on it, just kids who were on the course. Makes the recording of that EP sounds less like an episode of Rock School doesn't it. 13. Le Pastie de la Bourgeousie - what does it translate as? Apparently, what it's supposed to translate as is "The Apathy of the Upper Class", however it doesn't, so we're told by reliable French people... Doh! And yes it was sprayed on the wall at Charing Cross for a while, it's in the video for Dog on Wheels, there was another graffiti of the same thing done by a bloke from the Yummyfur apparently, next to Greggs the Bakers on Byres road. 14. Who's on the covers of the records? Tigermilk : Joanne Kenney If you're feeling sinister : Ciara MacLaverty Dog on Wheels : Joanne Kenney Lazy Line Painter Jane : Thea Martin 3,6,9 Seconds of Light : Stuart Murdoch and Victoria Morton The Boy with the Arab Strap : Chris Geddes 15. Are there any differences between UK and US versions of any of the records? No, apart from the fact that the UK pressing of "The Boy with the Arab Strap" is slightly heavier vinyl than the US version. Basically - you'd have to be a bit sad to buy them both. Many thanks to Andreas Hering, Mick Cooke, Chris Leonard, Philippe Garnier and Peter Miller for help with this. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 7404 bytes Desc: not available URL: From johnj at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 09:38:19 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (John Johnston) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:38:19 -0000 Subject: Sinister: The dread gogglebox Message-ID: 'Allo my sinister chuums... I've been wracking my brains for belle and sebastian related moments that might get me on the TV in my shameless drive for self promotion (comedy Thursday night - Bedford pub, Balham 9pm - Ubu Rex all next week, Tabard Theatre, Turnham Green 8pm).Most concern the charming times I've had meeting other listees,picnics and meet-ups and stuff - all thanks to the mummy honey and his benevolent dictatorship - (Floreat Honeii i say). And then I keep thinking of the that time i first heard B&S on Mark Radcliffe's show and how it froze me in my tracks. I heard that little guitar jangle at the start of The State I'm In and I've never looked back. Now I had a very interesting chat with my friend Kevin the actor who plays Johnny in the Acid House. He was saying that Slow Graffiti was composed specially for the film (and his character) so the Johnny in question is the chap in the film. Can anyone confirm/deny this little factoid. If Andre Viera is still on the list I'd like to thank you for the photos and say that your letter was the single smuttiest, funniest thing I have ever read - I salute you! Say not the struggle naught availeth! John In my sandwiches - marmite. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Michael.Barrett at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 09:24:47 1998 From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.com (Michael Barrett) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:24:47 +0900 Subject: Sinister: Make a Big Happy Christmas Feeling! Message-ID: <00e101be1d0c$75cf1030$baa3002b@qasx6.sec.cpg.sony.co.jp> If you thought the christmas music in shops in the UK was bad, you should try Japan. Not only is it karioki-ised but it is blasted out on to the streets as well, right up until when they shut at 10.00. I'm afraid I have nothing of much interest to say. I just had to get a message to Kevan, and to communicate in English with somebody (or 800 somebodys (or the 6 somebodys that don't delete the mail straight away)). Oh and I also voted in the new Groovy Interactive Multimedia Internet Java DVD List Crush Doodah. But I'm not saying who (nutcrackers can be dangerous things). Bastards - That's to every one who'll be getting It's Just a Wooden Hard-on before me. I won't get it for weeks, unless there is some quick-ass importing over here. Still, its probably shite. Or maybe pish. Michael Kevan - I'll have a look for your CDs later on in the week. I don't have your email address, so mail me (I hope you can read this from NY). By the way, how is the tournament going? Is Jason Donovan/Stuart Murdoch living up to expectations or collapsing under the intense media pressure? Is that silver paint holding up? Has Isobel pulled another Ronaldo and not turned up at the final? We need to know. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Tue Dec 1 12:51:19 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:51:19 -0800 Subject: Sinister: isobel geekpage!! Message-ID: <000301be1d29$4c01bec0$2811020a@rebelstrange> just wanted to announce that my Isobel Campbell Wee World of Worship is finally online--in slightly abbreviated form, i.e. the Popstar crush link and the chickfactore link are not up yet because i haven' had time to transcribe painfully by hand, but it's a nerdy silly page anyway, so just laugh at it, and you can read the chick factore interview when i post it. and i might post sarah's interview too. gawd i just hate typing that stuff, they're long interviews!! but really good. so please please PLEASE if you give a damn about the pointless adoration of pop girls, send me a line and tell me it at least inspired you to pick some violets or something. and uh, i'm still waiting for the verdict on the background, because my monitor is screwed up and so i can't really tell what color it is. yeah! so tell me if it looks just incredibly ugly. on my end it is a lovely blue, but it may in fact be Barbie pink. so goes my monitor. i might leave it even if it is.........ahh i can find a better one. maybe sometime we can have a little list of worshipper nerds.. eh heh ' i wrote a song the other day, honest i did. wrote it all myself in one night. i wish yall could hear it. maybe sometime you can. (if you're nice enough) no, i wouldn't wish that on anyone. googlyeyed, starstruck and moonfaced, lesley jo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frantila at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 13:29:52 1998 From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:29:52 EET Subject: Sinister: Scandinavians? Message-ID: <19981201112953.22615.qmail@hotmail.com> Ooh, sorry, i dont know if this works like this, but I'm a 21-year old boyish man living in Finland and I've been wondering how many Scandinavians are on this list... Any idea? ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Tue Dec 1 11:35:39 1998 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:35:39 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: humvee? In-Reply-To: <58889e3.3662e261@aol.com> Message-ID: Arye (?) said > Can anyone tell me what HMV stands for? Yes it stands for His Master's Voice and it's logo is a little dog looking into the big trumpet of a gramophone. I suppose the idea is that the recordings on HMV gramophone records were so good that the little doggy could even recognise his master's voice recorded on one. Quite sweet really. Unless his master said "Fetch me my slippers!" or "Walkies!" - then I suppose the dog would get slightly confused. Oh well, dogs are daft anyway. Robin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JJHill at xxx.uk Tue Dec 1 11:28:25 1998 From: JJHill at xxx.uk (Jonathan Hill) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:28:25 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk Message-ID: First of all how much is "Tigermilk" worth now? Secondly where can I find a copy? If anyone knows these please let me know as I'm trying to get a copy before Christmas and willing to pay quite a bit for it!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From parachute at xxx.net Tue Dec 1 11:42:03 1998 From: parachute at xxx.net (brad) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 06:42:03 -0500 Subject: Sinister: all my roudy friends are coming over tonight Message-ID: <3663D60B.4DFC@earthlink.net> hot-damn! the list sure has gotten quiet lately, not that i mind. so i started to come up with an idea for the dirty dream video, but i only got as far as struan lying in bed with one of those little speech bubbles floating over his head, like in cartoons, but it would show what he was dreaming. and he'd be dreaming of mick eating a corndog naked. with mustard dripping down his left nipple. i could never get past that point, because everytime i thought about it i would faint because all the blood would rush to my bigger than tag's member. you know what would be a good song for b&s to cover? "the emi song (smile for me)" by alex chilton. it would be perfect. i went to the list crush page. and i read the list of rejected suggestions. you know, sometimes i hate this list because of all the jibberish that gets sent, but when i see that someone voted for northy, then i forgive everyone for everything. viva los sinister list! -brad +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mb00EN at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 12:35:56 1998 From: Mb00EN at xxx.com (Mb00EN at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:35:56 EST Subject: Sinister: Advent Message-ID: <46cfcae1.3663e2ac@aol.com> Good day everyone I wish i knew how to send bitmap images then i'd be able to do an advent calander picture aday, but i remain ignorant to the ways of bill gates, sorry. Someone else smarter than me could do it though, i hope i havent offended anyone in a South Park PC faux pas. 'A mile on a bus takes a long time'- Never a true word has been spoke, it once took me two hours to go 12 miles, thats er...10 minutes a mile, and there was no traffic, just a stupid route, we doubled back on ourselves twice, i hate buses. To the heart broken friend, if you listen to belle and sebastian when your going through such negative emotions (like a break up) then over time the music will act as a stimuli to those negative emotions, like pavlov's dogs. Furthermore if belle and sebastian become really famous (who knows!) then this stimuli could be constantly emitted over the air waves, so be warned everyone. (There must be a dissertation in that somewhere). Is the video for dirty dream #2 just for the french?, maybe put in a world cup theme, from a scottish perspective, but it'd be to short (sorry, could'nt resist it). Dont hate me for that. Thats about it i think, before i go could someone mail me privately about baby chaos, i'd like to know if there still around, they sound abit like belle and sebastian dont you think? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gmckay at xxx.uk Tue Dec 1 12:40:16 1998 From: gmckay at xxx.uk (Gillian McKay CS1995) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:40:16 +0000 Subject: Sinister: thrum gig Message-ID: <3663E3B0.A2C1F682@cs.strath.ac.uk> i just checked out the glasgow gig guide http://www.gigguide.co.uk/glasgow.htm and noticed that Thrum are playing at the 13th note tomorrow. The entry is 13TH NOTE CLUB 260 Clyde St ‘The Big BangÂ’ World Aids Day event with Orange Alert with guest vocalists from The Karelia, Thrum, The Honeyflies & others 9pm £4 I think this is the same thing as members from B&S played last year. I thought that thrum had split up - does anyone know if it the same band as the one with Monica Queen? Ta Gillian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk Tue Dec 1 13:52:32 1998 From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:52:32 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Are you scared to get sappy? Message-ID: <199812011348.NAA14639@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Alright! For some time I have longed to "leak" something to sinister, and now I have a burst pipe you might find of interest. Pay attention: this is good stuff. When I first heard the mysterious word "sha-la-la" I felt the kind of thrill that can toast your eyebrows. As a seasoned "hipster" I like to keep a beady eye out for "the Next Big Thing". Turn your back for a moment, take your eye of the bouncing ball that is POP for a moment and you find that the "Next Big Thing" has hit you upside the head like a can of tuna thrown by the paperboy. This leaves you in the mud on your knees, seeing little cartoon birds and needing to take your brand new black Muji corduroys to the dry cleaners, during which time the "Next Big Thing" has become "Old Hat". Bah! Committed to keeping my finger firmly on the throbbing vein of POP, I resolved to get on Sha-la-la by any means necessary. But how??? I own many records by Men With Beards. Some of these records contain guitar solos that could uncurl the hair in Brad's afro. Quite a few of them refer to relations with girls that extend beyond holding hands. As we know, all these things are strictly VERBOTTEN by the obergruppenfuhrers of Twee. Curses. I knew I would have to devise a fiendish plan... I arranged to meet my good buddy, the metrosexual gadabout and heir to the MB Games millions, Jasper Buckaroo. As readers if Meg Matthews' scintillating Sunday Times Diary will know, Jasper is strictly A-List. Nary a celebrity Fondue Party in Peckham passes without an appearance from the famed Illegible Batchelor. It is whispered along the corridors of power that Jasper's failure to attend the launch party for "Young and Foolish" is the reason for the books otherwise unaccountable absence from the best-sellers list. Settling down on the expansive futon chez Buckaroo, I explained my dilemma. Jasper, as always, was the very model of accommodation. Booting up his lime and fuschia executive Imac, we fired off an enquiry to the mysterious headquarters of Sha-la-la. Within seconds Jasper's in-box was bulging. "Not for the first time, deary", he quipped with the characteristic wit that has seen him dubbed the Charles Hawtrey de nos jours. And lo! there was the invitation to join the list that is quite literally on everyone's lips: "Dear Mr Buckaroo Thankyou for joining the Sha-la-la digest. During your stay please can you respect the list rules at all times: NO RUNNING NO BOMBING NO PETTING NO LAUGHING NO GIRLS hugs and kissies Neily-Weely xxooxxxooo" Success! I rubbed my hands in sublime satisfaction. Little did I realise the Pandora's Box I was opening. What fresh hell had we here? TOMORROW: I BLOW THE LID ON THE SHADOWY CARTEL WHO RUN POP Stevie Trousers _______________ PS: Listees of the pachydermal persuasion will remember the smoking quiz I set some time in the 17th century. Winners will be announced tomorrow. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin_horsfield at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 14:25:32 1998 From: martin_horsfield at xxx.com (Martin Horsfield) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 06:25:32 PST Subject: Sinister: the chronicles of matinee Message-ID: <199812011425.GAA11116@law-f99.hotmail.com> What ho listees! Did anyone see the wee article on CS Lewis in the weekend's Observer? Not being a huge fan of posho kids' books myself, I've never read 'The Lion, The Witch..' et al, though as Lewis is a major influence on Mr Murdoch, I took an interest in the piece. The thrust of its tenor (or should that be tenor of its thrust?) was that Lewis was a bit of an old puritan, with a high moral tone in his work. Consequently, though kids love his books, adults find them a bit creepy. The irony of course is that grown-ups love Belle & Sebastian while the kids find them a bit creepy. Much has been written about Belle and Sebastian's religious interests, but how do we square this apparent spirituality with their voyeuristic bent (prisoners with Arab straps and the like). Discuss. Meanwhile, in a packed programme tonight, your correspondent will be going to the Borderline to see soul/country songwriting legend Dan Penn and distribute some flyers for Matinee's gigs this week. We're playing the Hope & Anchor on Wednesday and the Acoustic Caff on Thursday, in the face of stiff competition from Hefner and Grand Drive respectively. Any listees that want flyers, please mail me at the above address. Americans: if you can't make it, you can smell Matinnee live at a North London pub gig, complete with Real Audio at our site (www.members.tripod.com/~the_embankment). You'll be grateful to know that my 'Study At Stow' stage gear has now arrived. Martin Horsfield, left-handed bassist PS/ Anyone who likes literate pop with added shagging should check out Hefner's 'Breaking God's Heart'. When Matinee retreat to their garrets for some songwriting next weekend, the (artisitc) success of that record will be upp ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Anastasia_Signoretta at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 15:42:31 1998 From: Anastasia_Signoretta at xxx.com (Anastasia Signoretta) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:42:31 EST Subject: Sinister: with a parrot on my shoulder saying every when i talk Message-ID: hullo lovelies, i know the poetry parrot is meant to soar on mondays, but i'm a working lass and yesterday found me a bit preoccupied with more important things, like whether or not jewel's record is number one in malaysia. anyhow, i share a piece with you by one of my favorite masters of verse, ee cummings. a bit of history: i first encountered ee in high school, when one of my teachers complained about my handwriting. i used to write everything in lower-case print (actually, i still do) and a lot of the time i would neglect to include punctuation in certain places. i think i was trying to be 'artistic' or something. anyhow, that teacher started calling me 'ee' and i was so intrigued by someone named ee who had a handwriting style similar to mine, i started reading his lovely poetry. the poem i present to you is one of the first i read and i think it's my favorite. [since feeling is first] since feeling is first who pays any attention to the syntax of things will never wholly kiss you; wholly to be a fool while Spring is in the world my blood approves, and kisses are a far better fate than wisdom lady i swear by all flowers. Don't cry --the best gesture of my brain is less than your eyelids' flutter which says we are for eachother: then laugh, leaning back in my arms for life's not a paragraph And death i think is no parenthesis -ee cummings i'm feeling silly, romantic and a bit light-headed lately, forgive me. so i free the parrot from its cage to land on another's shoulder...watch out, i'm sending you an e-mail soon. have a pretty day and a splendid night. cheers, stasia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cleonard at xxx.COM Tue Dec 1 14:48:54 1998 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:48:54 -0000 Subject: Sinister: sack of dick Message-ID: ahh, I have returned from a glorious weekend in London. Much drinking and mischief have resulted in a fair bit sleepy me, but it's worth it, don't you know. Hello to all the wonderful people I met and was reunited with, and special thanks and cuddles to stephen trousers for having me and miss julia, pam and mike for having me and miss julia, and my mate gregor who's not on the list, but he fully had me and miss julia. There are many tales I have to tell concerning my weekends activity and naughtiness but the more I think about it, the more I think it would be better if I never told you a thing. Ask trousers the scallywag, he's the new Jeremy Beadle only with bigger hands. What I will say is thanks to Brad for the phrase "you sack of dick", which I used a bit to freely all weekend, I feel. Now back to business. Today, my secret ninja prowess has earned me the nickname 'the cat'. I move with the shadows silently, watching and striking oops you didn't even realise I'd got you. Murdoch And Isobel by Chris Leonard (with help from Edward Lear) ================================================================ Murdoch and Isobel went to sea In a beautiful pea green boat, They took scrapings from honey, and plenty of money, Wrapped up in a five pound note. Murdoch looked up to the stars above, And sang to a small guitar, 'O wovely Bel! O Bel my wove, What a beautiful Bel you are, You are, You are! What a beautiful Bel you are!' Bel said to Stu, whilst doing some kung-fu, 'How charmingly sweet you sing! O let us be married! too long we have tarried: But what shall we do for a ring?' They sailed away, for a year and a day, To the land where the indie kids throb, And there in a wood a Pastel-man stood With a ring at the end of his nob, His nob, His nob, With a ring at the end of his nob. 'Dear Swephen, are you willing to sell for one shilling Your ring?' Said the Pastel, 'I will.' So they took it away, and were married next day By the Reverend Al Green who lives on the hill. They dined on mince, and slices of quince, Which they ate with a book and a spoon; And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, They danced by the light of the moon, The moon, The moon, They danced by the light of the moon. That is all, the cat P.S. If Julia's parents ever happen upon my posts, I'm just showing off, I'm not sweary or rude in real life. PPS. Hello Struan Murdoch. I saw you at the concert too, but was a bit worried you were going to box me. PPPS. Did I ever tell you how good V-Twin are? They truly are a splendid band, with a wonderful singer whose stage presence is just great. No other word for it. He's terrific. ok? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 16:53:01 1998 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:53:01 -0000 Subject: Sinister: free xmas lights! And sex talk, of course Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2234A1DF@server1.HITEntertainment.com> This is simply Not On. Can the mystery redhead (I can dream) who voted for me in the list crush list version 2.0 pleeese vote for me in the list crush list version 2.1 with added accuracy factor, as my girlfriend can't get to a computer at the moment and my ego needs a good hard rub. It's a good list crush list, though. Well persevered, Tall Git, and good luck in your seductions - a pint's on me if you get a snog off all 10 of your previous crushes...and glad to see that the luscious Lesley Jo is up there in the top ten, having lit up our lives in a blaze of exploding hormones over the last few weeks. I'm shocked and appalled that Lady Penelope isn't being lauded ad cielum, too (which reminds me - slapped wrists for all of you who didn't attend Lady P's soiree of sensual debauchery on Sunday night - we listened to naughty bootlegs and Serge Gainsbourg and *everything*), so head along to http://listcrush.future.easyspace.com/ Anyone who sees me going on about such thinks as a pathetic and insulting attempt at getting my insecurities nurtured would be entirely right, but don't let it stop you from finding me adorably vulnerable, yet with a sultry, devil-may-care attitude and a cute behind. Is "The Gate" really as bad as everyone says? I know we had this kind of discussion about Rollercoaster ride and Chickfactor before Towellingbathrobes came out, and, erm, we were proved right. Not that it really matters, I suppose, when Slow Graffiti and Modern Rock Song are so superlative, though the rumours I hear about a Sister ray-esque version of the latter being on the new EP are puzzling, to say the least... Why has the deliciously-monikered Aranzazu changed her name? It's just not as dreamy any more...Ta to Stasia for the E.E. Cummings (I've been wanting to capitalise the lazy bastard for ages) poem - a fine choice. But who's next? Bet she gives it to her list crush...:) I've just been sent some fabbo Xmas lights for my computer screen (i.e. a computer programme, not things with broken bulbs that never work and get all tangled up), so if anyone can handle a 400Kb email and wants them to brighten up their day, email me and I'll send you the application! Which reminds me - I forgot to open door one of my advent calendar this morning - so I can do it when I get home! Yay! I also bought my third Xmas present today, so I'm feeling ever so smug... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rkb200 at xxx.edu Tue Dec 1 17:37:20 1998 From: rkb200 at xxx.edu (candy darling) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:37:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: non-B&S: sexlist query Message-ID: I figured since some listmembers might be interested... OK, someone mentioned it on another band mailing list I'm on and I think it's a good idea, so I'm writing to see if anyone would be interested in a sex list. I'd start one, at a free server like onelist or possibly consider a manual list, but if people want anonymity they can open a hotmail or yahoo account or something like that. Anyway, the idea is just a list based around sex, broadly construed, so it would encompass everything from "how-to" questions to sharing experiences to "this song is really great to have sex to" to "I think Brian Molko (insert sexy rock star here) is really hot" etc. Whatever, pretty much. For instance, on the other list I'm on we've talked about everything from sex during pregnancy to masturbation to anal sex to birth control to circumcision to what foods are good to eat before giving a blow job to "is the word 'slut' sexist?" to "should I break up with my boyfriend because he wants to have sex and I don't?" to pornography to "am I gay/straight/bi?" to what celebrity we'd most want to sleep with. Like I said, pretty broad topic, and EVERYONE is welcome, unless you spam the list or start flaming people. So that's the plan, and I'm just trying to see how many people would be interested. I can't really predict how much traffic there would be, but onelist also has a digest section. I'd make sure there was a way to kick people off the list if they were being totally rude or inappropriate, cause it's a PEOPLE list, not a call for spam from people trying to sell what-EVER, but I'd also be putting up a website telling people about the list and welcoming all different people from all over. OK, I've gone on long enough, so just think it over and let me know and please pass on to any lists or people you think might be interested. Rachel Bussel rkb200 at is5.nyu.edu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 18:42:28 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 18:42:28 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Origin of Slow Graffiti Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981201184228.007a3a20@mail.u-net.com> Hello This Slow Graffiti business, how long has the Acid House film been in the making? SlowG is quite an old song, they were doing it live over a year ago (first time I heard it was in NYC back in September last year), were the groop approached by someone involved with the film and asked to contribute a song? It's bloody freezing tonight. JJ xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 18:34:44 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 18:34:44 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Narnia In-Reply-To: <199812011425.GAA11116@law-f99.hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981201183444.0079fbb0@mail.u-net.com> Martin Horsfield wrote: >Did anyone see the wee article on CS Lewis in the weekend's Observer? >Not being a huge fan of posho kids' books myself, I've never read 'The >Lion, The Witch..' et al, though as Lewis is a major influence on Mr >Murdoch, I took an interest in the piece. The thrust of its tenor (or >should that be tenor of its thrust?) was that Lewis was a bit of an >old puritan, with a high moral tone in his work. > >Consequently, though kids love his books, adults find them a bit >creepy. This is true - the seven books in that series start off like a kids fantasy adventure thing but towards the final book (The Last Battle) they get more and more disturbing, very dark content. Excellent stuff though. He also wrote loads of science fiction but I never read any of that. JJ xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stuart at xxx.uk Tue Dec 1 19:25:01 1998 From: stuart at xxx.uk (Steve Iguana) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:25:01 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Re Tigermilk Message-ID: <006501be1d60$4af52bc0$aae7edc1@default> I went to a Record fair at Wembly over the weekend where I had a search for Tigermilk, but the place was too big, packed with people and I soon got bored of wading through so many records. However I did come across a stall selling various rarities which had a CD version of Tigermilk with bonus tracks recorded for the BBC Radcliffe Sessions. The man said the CD was a "sort" of official version released by the band, but I'm fairly sure its a pirate copy. The man also told me that the original version of the Album was worth £400. The bonus tracks were: Dog on wheels, The state I am in, I could be dreaming, Just a modern Rock song, seeing other people, Judy & the dream of Horses and Like Dylan in the movies. But it says the sessions were from July & December 96, which seems to conflict with the FAQ? And yes I did buy it even though I think its a pirate copy. And yes I feel guilty. And I promise to buy the real version if they release it. Regards +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JonnyKat at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 19:25:12 1998 From: JonnyKat at xxx.com (JonnyKat at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:25:12 EST Subject: Sinister: List-erine Kisses Message-ID: <43d132eb.36644298@aol.com> Hello my sweet baboons, Imagine my surprise when I signed on this morning to discover that I was in first place on the list crush page with eight votes. Now imagine my confusion to realize that even as I write this, it just went up to nine. What kind of crazy script is this? Has someone started a secret letter-writing campaign to vote me into this dubious position, only to create a puppet regime? Where were you all the last time? Should I join the sex list? Oh, it's all so embarrassing. : ) On to more interesting matters: I was at my friends house this weekend (Marc and Ian, they are identical twins) in my wonderous neighborhood of Brooklyn. They aren't on this list, since they don't even own a computer. So, I got to chatting with a stranger there from London, a lovely fellow named Will, and he said, "Are you Jonny Kat from the Sinister list?" and I replied suspiciously, "That depends on what you mean by Sinister List." Anyway, we went on to become very friendly (no, not like THAT) and I just want to thank Honey (and all of you popkidz) for creating such a magical universe here. It's better than time travel, really. And it's almost as good as Twizzlers: The World's Most Perfect Food. Stevie Trousers announced: "TOMORROW: I BLOW THE LID ON THE SHADOWY CARTEL WHO RUN POP" Is it getting warm in here? I have to go now. Kiss on the lips, Jonny +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at Tue Dec 1 19:44:54 1998 From: Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at (Vanessa R. Siegl) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:44:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Pavlovs dog? Message-ID: <2E565E7A1E@s06user2.uibk.ac.at> >listening to music whilest going through such negative emotions >(like a break up) then over time the music will act as a stimuli to >those negative emotions, like pavlov's dogs. I have heard that too but for me this has never been true. I always or at least during the past few years listened to music I liked when I was miserable ..and so far there hasn't been any negative feelings attached to any song, thaknfully ... But music does help ... Anyway I guess it is different for everyone so don't take my word for it. love vanxxx _____________________________________________________ Forgive me for I have not sinned csaa7950 at uibk.ac.at _gapminder at yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lorelei_27 at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 19:46:45 1998 From: lorelei_27 at xxx.com (lorelei tremelor) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 11:46:45 PST Subject: Sinister: Narnia Message-ID: <19981201194645.22831.qmail@hotmail.com> i adored the chronicles of narnia! i didn't know stuart was into it too? did anyone ever catch the awesome Wonderworks production??? they did The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, Prince Caspian, The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, and one other one...i forget which... i thought edmund was rather delightful >This is true - the seven books in that series start off like a kids fantasy >adventure thing but towards the final book (The Last Battle) they get >more and more disturbing, very dark content. Excellent stuff though. >He also wrote loads of science fiction but I never read any of that. > >JJ >xx > > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nptc2 at xxx.uk Tue Dec 1 19:50:48 1998 From: nptc2 at xxx.uk (N.P.T. Cantwell) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:50:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: Bibles looking like diaries In-Reply-To: <43d132eb.36644298@aol.com> Message-ID: Hello. I'm new here. Just thought I would make my presence known and congratulate you all on your really cool messages. You are all cooler than each other. That's meant to be a compliment, sorry if it came out in a nasty way and I could just delete it but if this were a conversation that would be impossible and I feel these e-mail things should be as personal as possible. It is great to take over this bastion of business functionality with genuine heartfelt communication which hopefully a lot of people are doing and not lying through their electronic teeth. Perhaps I should mention B&S now. I think they are the best band around and do a strange thing to my head when listening to them. I have tried but failed to see them live. Perhaps I should stop before this gets tedious. My main reason for joining this was to ask the following question: Did anyone else on their first listen of Fox in the Snow and upon having not known the title of the song think that it was actually 'Fucks in the snow'? I'm sorry to be naive and also rude but it really struck me as a possible different interpretation of the song. Sex in the snow sounds like a lovely idea, all pure and white, like sex on fresh, clean sheets. Doesn't really fit with the rest of the imagery in the song but I like to think about this now and again. This message is no reflection on my personality at all and I should just delete at all. Still I must start somewhere and am sure I will learn much in terms of what to do from reading a few more of all of your lovely messages now. Thank you for listening. Love Reverb Boy xxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Anastasia_Signoretta at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 20:07:24 1998 From: Anastasia_Signoretta at xxx.com (Anastasia Signoretta) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:07:24 EST Subject: Sinister: Narnia Message-ID: hiya, i too adored the narnia chronicles...especially 'the lion the witch and the wardrobe.' 'twas my favorite book growing up and is still listed somewhere in my top twenty novels of all time. and speaking of the wonderworks thing...i just watched it a few weeks ago on pbs. i must say...it really freaked me out. i'm not much into talking lions, i guess. does everyone know that c.s. lewis was some kind of religious freak, and that there are correlations between all of the characters and goings-on in the narnia books to people and events that take place in the bible? (the new and improved sinister list: less smut, more religious content.) cheers, stasia ------------- Original Text >From "lorelei tremelor" , on 12/1/98 2:48 PM: i adored the chronicles of narnia! i didn't know stuart was into it too? did anyone ever catch the awesome Wonderworks production??? they did The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, Prince Caspian, The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, and one other one...i forget which... i thought edmund was rather delightful >This is true - the seven books in that series start off like a kids fantasy >adventure thing but towards the final book (The Last Battle) they get >more and more disturbing, very dark content. Excellent stuff though. >He also wrote loads of science fiction but I never read any of that. > >JJ >xx > > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frumpi at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 20:00:14 1998 From: frumpi at xxx.com (annastasia saffrone) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:00:14 PST Subject: Sinister: ur happee cuz ur cosy Message-ID: <19981201200017.8402.qmail@hotmail.com> just wanted to say that sex in the snow does sound really fabulous or maybe while floating... i think reverb boy is cute and i would have a crush if i hadn't already voted... ----Original Message Follows---- Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:50:48 +0000 (GMT) From: "N.P.T. Cantwell" To: JonnyKat at aol.com cc: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Sinister: Bibles looking like diaries Reply-To: "N.P.T. Cantwell" Hello. I'm new here. Just thought I would make my presence known and congratulate you all on your really cool messages. You are all cooler than each other. That's meant to be a compliment, sorry if it came out in a nasty way and I could just delete it but if this were a conversation that would be impossible and I feel these e-mail things should be as personal as possible. It is great to take over this bastion of business functionality with genuine heartfelt communication which hopefully a lot of people are doing and not lying through their electronic teeth. Perhaps I should mention B&S now. I think they are the best band around and do a strange thing to my head when listening to them. I have tried but failed to see them live. Perhaps I should stop before this gets tedious. My main reason for joining this was to ask the following question: Did anyone else on their first listen of Fox in the Snow and upon having not known the title of the song think that it was actually 'Fucks in the snow'? I'm sorry to be naive and also rude but it really struck me as a possible different interpretation of the song. Sex in the snow sounds like a lovely idea, all pure and white, like sex on fresh, clean sheets. Doesn't really fit with the rest of the imagery in the song but I like to think about this now and again. This message is no reflection on my personality at all and I should just delete at all. Still I must start somewhere and am sure I will learn much in terms of what to do from reading a few more of all of your lovely messages now. Thank you for listening. Love Reverb Boy xxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ frumpi at hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lorelei_27 at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 20:02:03 1998 From: lorelei_27 at xxx.com (lorelei tremelor) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:02:03 PST Subject: Sinister: speaking of talking lions... Message-ID: <19981201200203.13157.qmail@hotmail.com> on the subject of b&s and narnia, so is that Aslan in the video for "is it wicked not to care?" is that a lion that she's singing to? or am i completely blind? i only watched the video online, not on TV. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 20:47:05 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 20:47:05 +0000 Subject: Sinister: January Select magazine Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981201204705.007a1680@mail.u-net.com> Sinisteroids Nice advert, Jeepster, right at the back kids in case you want to look at it in a shop. Jovial inclusion of Tigermilk too. A precursor to something? Who can say, or dare to dream. But in the mag: reviews of the new EP and the Acid House album, the reviewer highlights 'Slow Graffiti' in the film soundtrack as being "top of the tree" and "superb by their own recent standards". Quite correct. As listeners will know, at exactly 2 minutes into the song it reaches perfection. They like the EP too. You can read about it for yourselves, but they do say that 'The Gate' is "an Isobel Campbell song that doesn't quite match her 'Is it Wicked Not To care'".. they're right, I'm sorry to say I don't like The Gate at all. Although you can sing 'Golden Green' by the Wonder Stuff to the chorus though. Sort of. Cheerio JJ xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mars at xxx.net Tue Dec 1 20:55:45 1998 From: mars at xxx.net (M R McDonald) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:55:45 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Pavlovs dog? References: <2E565E7A1E@s06user2.uibk.ac.at> Message-ID: <366457D1.8C6CB313@pe.net> > over time the music will act as a stimuli to > >those negative emotions, like pavlov's dogs. Does anyone remember the band called Pavlov's Dog? They were active in the late 70s (I think) and featured a singer (male) with an extremely high voice. What ever happened to them? They had several very interesting songs, despite the "high-voice" gimmick. mars at pe.net +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Tjonrr at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 20:58:54 1998 From: Tjonrr at xxx.com (Tjonrr at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:58:54 EST Subject: Sinister: Origin of Slow Graffiti Message-ID: <1444bf62.3664588e@aol.com> << This Slow Graffiti business, how long has the Acid House film been in the making >> quite a while surely, as im sure i saw one part of it, The Granton Star Cause, on channel4 a couple of years ago as part of the renegade tv gubbins they do occasionaly. anyway,if i remember right it was a big pile of pants. does anyone know if the above incident actually occurred cos it might just be another one of them hallucinations which date back to the time i listened to no music except Surfin Bird by The Trashmen for a week as part of a self conducted scientific experiment. ive not been quite the same ever since m-m-mow-mow from tjohn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From psychonaut at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 21:23:33 1998 From: psychonaut at xxx.com (Helge Olsen) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 22:23:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: un chien andalousien? References: Message-ID: <36645E55.E55E0EE0@iname.com> Arantxa Sanz wrote: > 'un perro andaluz'='an Andalousian dog' is the film co directed by the > surrealism wizard Luis Bun~uel, and Salvador Dali, in the 20's and still > considered one of the peaks of arty (never better said arty in this case) > film ever.It is astonishing and devastating. Fans of this movie should check out a Motorpsycho song called Un Chien D`Espace. Un Chien D`Andalou as it is called in french is a silent movie and Motorpsycho played a "soundtrack" to it when it was showed at Cinemateket 2 years ago. If there are any Motorpsycho fans on this list, it would be nice if they could write to me. In My CD Player: Elliot Smith: X/O Nick Drake: Five Leaves Left -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skg21 at xxx.uk Tue Dec 1 21:42:43 1998 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (skg21 at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 21:42:43 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Vote for me, you know you want to... Message-ID: <889049.3121537363@q7300-08.quns.cam.ac.uk> Well the list crush site seems to be running along smoothly enough. But be warned, if I have any evidence of people cheating by voting for themselves lots of times they'll be removed from the available list of people to vote for. Then again, I might just delete everyone who's ahead of me (which was, erm, everyone last time I looked :-( ). I thought I should share with you; the student hostel I'm living in at the moment now has a musical Christmas tree at the entrance. It plays lots of Christmas songs over and over again in the style of one of those crap musical greetings cards. And the lights flash in time with the music as well. How tacky is that? And how irritating is it going to get by the end of next week? Got to rush off, but before I go can I just say that 'Fucks in teh Snow' is the best mishearing yet - has that bit of the Sinister site been updated yet? Big Stu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From AlhOasis at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 21:52:21 1998 From: AlhOasis at xxx.com (AlhOasis at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:52:21 EST Subject: Sinister: Vote for me, you know you want to... Message-ID: <58e0539.36646515@aol.com> In a message dated 12/1/98 4:45:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, skg21 at hermes.cam.ac.uk writes: > I thought I should share with you; the student hostel I'm living in at the > moment now has a musical Christmas tree at the entrance. It plays lots of > Christmas songs over and over again in the style of one of those crap > musical greetings cards. And the lights flash in time with the music as > well. How tacky is that? And how irritating is it going to get by the end > of next week? yay!! is it the kind with the big eyes and mouth that talks and looks at you and sings to you when you walk by!? those are so fun :) i want one but my parent won't buy it for me :( i think it would be lovely to have a christmas tree to talk to..maybe he'd be my friend :*) ...well that's just me.. i'll go back into hiding now :) amanda +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Tue Dec 1 23:19:09 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:19:09 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Fw: belle and sebastian, opiate of th emasses Message-ID: <005101be1d81$00dfb480$4811020a@rebelstrange> -----Original Message----- From: RebelStrange To: sinister at majordomo.net" Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 3:16 PM Subject: belle and sebastian, opiate of th emasses >"rush of hormones"?? what indeed could have caused such a stir? now i'm red >in the face. *sigh* can anyone explain why Isobel Campbell's name is on >the crush list, but no one else from the band is, what does that mean? >regardless, i shall vote for her forthwith, even if it will eat away at my >own ratings. can i vote for the PHotojenny/Amelia girl? i WISH she was on >the list, she did look rather sinister. never mind. i'm getting up right >now and going to find her. >but till then... >osrry it must have slipped my mind to put up the isobel link, i figured it >would be easy to get to cos it's on my b/s photo page, but the URL for >isobel campbell's Wee World of worship is: >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4967/isobel.html >and i have it on good word that the b/g is indeed, a lovely shade of blue >and not frighteningly shocking pink as i had feared, so all is well. >now that everyone's slagging The Gate, i'm all psyched for how much i'm >going to like it, cos i'm the contrary type. oh i should really go try to >fix my liquid audio player so i can hear the damned thing. jeez i'm slow. > >and be reminded when you visit the site of all things Isobel, that i am in >request of stories, links, poems, thoughts, dirty dreams, and anything you >can come up with on the dapper lass, i will put it up for all to see. >Chris Leonard, your poem was lovely! that's the sort of thing we like over >at IsobelGeek HQ. students, take note. >I like rollercoaster ride. > >per carmen "I am A Punk Goddess".....belle and seb are twice as punk as gg >allin, aren't they? any baby, moron, or dog can lose control of their >bodily functions in public. it takes a real man to wax sentimental about >quilted jackets and clogs, sing effeminately and wear silver trousers, in >revolt against the (yes) vicariously claimed "punk" ethic of pre-millenial >life. eat your heart out, marilyn manson. i've always believed the true >punks were the quiet ones nursing affection for all those rejected things. >anyone can cop a bad attitude, sentimentality is the wave of the revolution. >VIVA LA REVOLUCION >and dont' smack me for calling them twee, i dont' see any necessarily >exclusionary factor in being both sentimental and sweet, and simultaneously >"rocking'. I wouldn't call them wimps though. it takes an iron >constitution to be so recklessly gorgeous. > >i woke up this AM witht he sinking feeling that i was late for class again, >but it didnt' much matter because i felt sick as a dog anyway. still i am >guilty as i realized how badlyl i am going to suck this semester as far as >missing my classes and beign a lardy git, even though i have only 3 classes, >yes my life is sad indeed. my cat jumped up onto my bed and i could feel >my stress rate lowereing as i patted her silky ears, funny yes? and the song >popped into my head, "I left my school i left my job.." and i remembered >every messes up now and then, and stuart lives in a church, and things can >be beautiful, and i felt this glorious peace. so i threw my homework on the >fire and went back to sleep and when i woke up i ran off to go take pictures >at the catholic seminary, and stayed up all night writing DC stories for my >zine, and gave up my school to become a full time professional mooching >lazybones. thus, the Pernicious Entartente-Musik du Belle and Sebastian >does assuage my ambition and cause me to become complacent in my bad fit >with society, therefore sinking further into the anonymity and my flaming >desire for individuality is effectively submerged beneath the waves of >proletarian work ethic and bureaucracy. Thus, the State continues in all >its glory. Hail mother country! > >or you could just say Slacker. >lesley Jo >(the beautiful one/Revolting Hag) > >Suede went down the toilet the moment Bernard left, don't you know it. > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mctag at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 22:42:29 1998 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 22:42:29 GMT Subject: Sinister: Chaste, but never caught Message-ID: <36646718.11610402@post.demon.co.uk> Hello Young Lovers, It's competition time, and there is a big BIG prize. I am offering a fantastic tape of my favourite soul stompers to anyone who can tell me what Trousers was wittering on about in his last mail. I didn't understand a bloody word of it. Anyhoo, Hal Hartley. Belle and Sebastian fans are obliged to like him, aren't they? Of course, for our transatlantic chums, this is old news, but the Warrander John and I went to see "Henry Fool" last night. I was a bit wary of going to the pictures with him after he rather forwardly invited me into "Santa's Chocolate Grotto" to celebrate the first day of Advent, but once I'd persuaded him that necking in the back row was a no-no on our first date, we went along. Now I'm a big Hal fan, but the first few minutes made me nervous. "Oh no, this is going to be crap", I thought. Then someone threw up all over someone else's naked buttocks (no, it wasn't John), and everything got suddenly better. It's actually one of those films that you think about the next day and think "oooh, that bit was good", rather than one you enjoy at the time and have forgotten about as soon as you hit the bar afterwards. In the bar afterwards, John and I talked about you all for a while, that's why your ears were burning. Brad and Genevieve, your ears should be truly ablaze by now. But you know what, it was all said with love. Well, lust anyway. Sex list?? I'm scared and I want my Mum. I can't even seek chaste sanctuary at the Shalala Monastery since Brother Duke has renounced his vow of chastity and admitted his desire to "have it off" with Isobel. What was left of my innocence was dashed against the rocks by that particular revelation, believe me. Goodnight, Love, Tag xxx PS Is it Alan Horne? PPS Joyeux anniversaire a la fille la plus renardeuse de ma vie. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From matthew_kelly_at_hscb-b7 at xxx.edu Tue Dec 1 22:48:16 1998 From: matthew_kelly_at_hscb-b7 at xxx.edu (matthew_kelly_at_hscb-b7 at xxx.edu) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 98 17:48:16 -0500 Subject: Sinister: post #2, Beautiful Everything Message-ID: <9812019125.AA912552545@netmail.hscbklyn.edu> ok I'm kind of nervous that someone is going to yell at me or send hired goons to my door for this message. Good luck in tryin' to find where I live. That's right you're not so tough when your big brother's not got your back. Ignore that I don't know what it means. Anyway the real reason I wrote is to try and sell my car. I've got this great car and oh no wait that's not the reason. What I really want to know is what happened to Beautiful Everything at the treehouse place. I'll apologize now if this has already been discussed and if this is common knowledge and if I have a big eye booger and if I woke up your elderly aunt who goes to bed at 9:30 ( I think you know whose aunt I'm talking about). So if anyone out there knows where I can listen to this wonderful song now that it's no longer at the treehouse theatre or any information about the song for that matter let me know. Exactly, Matt +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 95djb2 at xxx.uk Tue Dec 1 22:54:22 1998 From: 95djb2 at xxx.uk (Dom) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:54:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: ur happee cuz ur cosy In-Reply-To: <19981201200017.8402.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Hey sinisterines! Is it too early to be festive? I've got this great little program that puts Xmas lights along the top of your desktop, don't know where it is on the web but if anyone wants it email me and I'll send it you. I thought I'd venture a post seeing as it's quietened down a bit of late, and Reverb Boy's post seems to have struck some chords (ho ho) with people, so I'll join in: On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, annastasia saffrone wrote: > just wanted to say that sex in the snow does sound really fabulous > or maybe while floating... > Anyone read Douglas Copeland's 'Girlfriend in a Coma'? It begins with sex in the snow: 'As if time was soon to end, what little time remained must be squandered quickly, savoring the delicate, fluttering pulses of cool, dry cherry blossoms passing back and forth between our bodies'...very twee. Can't comment on the rest of the book, I only read the naughty bits ;) Reverb Boy wrote: > That's meant to be a compliment, sorry if it came out in a > nasty way and I could just delete it but if this were a conversation > that would be impossible and I feel these e-mail things should be as > personal as possible. I agree, if I type something wrong I normally leave it in, we're all friends here so I feel like I could leave anything in - besides, it might be Freudian and a little smut's always a good thing, n'est-ce pas? Talking of smut, it's just occurred to me that while the list crush script web-thing is very impressive, it's even more demoralising for us no-votees, as not only do I not have any votes but I'm not even on the page! Someone pout my name in, please...I'm sure you can get out of voting for me but still leave my name on there...maybe :) (accidentally typed 'pout' instead of 'put', but I like it so it's staying there) Fluffy: can't possibly talk about Newcastle here, even the list's not smutty enough...maybe that dodgy sexlist is the place for it :-o Thanks to Rob for the Field Mice CD, anyone else love "Coach station reunion"? Seems to some up my life lately. Ok that's more than enough wittering on Dom +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From e.brown at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 22:16:55 1998 From: e.brown at xxx.com (Emanuel Brown) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:16:55 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Narnia Message-ID: I must have read the Chronicles of Narnia about twenty times while growin' up. They had this beautiful mix of fantasy and religion that didn't really sink in until much later. My favorite was the Silver Chair, although I really don't remember it that well anymore. The coolest part is that my grandmother, god rest her soul, turned me on to them. She bought me a paperback boxed-set which I both devoured readily and maintained religiously for it was the first time that she and I ever bonded over anything. After she passed on, I was looking through some of her books and noticed quite a lot of CS Lewis stuff. Some of which I tried to read and found to be interesting in a dreadfully dull sort of way. Kind of like the Bible, which I suppose makes all the sense in the world. The only other series I ever thought came close was the JRR Tolkein stuff, though Tolkein really got obnoxious with his thinly veiled divinity abstractions. The best thing about those Narnia books for me was the way gender roles were developed. The boys and girls all had something that made them special and unique and therefore perfectly equal in their inequality. Just like all of you darlings, I'm sure. To me that seemed normal, unlike what was being shoved down my throat in 1970-80's North Carolina. As for B&S-Narnia connection it, well� it is fairly romantic and lyrical, both of which seem to be keys to B&S songcraft. Hats off to 'em if all this is actually true. Do kids these days have anything really absorbing like this or are those "everybody poops" books the best we can do for 'em (though those are kinda funny)? xoxo emanuel on my turntable: fuck "pardon my french" Free, fast e-mail accessible anytime, anywhere http://www.imaginemail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From e.brown at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 22:21:52 1998 From: e.brown at xxx.com (Emanuel Brown) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:21:52 -0700 Subject: Sinister: List-erine Kisses Message-ID: Finally, a fellow Brooklynite on the list. Are there any others I wonder? curious like george, emanuel Free, fast e-mail accessible anytime, anywhere http://www.imaginemail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From casio at xxx.com Tue Dec 1 23:45:06 1998 From: casio at xxx.com (Tony Zito) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 18:45:06 -0500 Subject: Sinister: List-erine Kisses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199812012343.SAA27565@bottlerocket.com> Oy, yea -- oye! wmsburg here...shall we arrange a "meet-up"? Are there any B&S friendly bars in brooklyn? Oh, and in response to.. At 07:47 PM 11/30/98 , Ivo A P Escossia wrote: > >There's a TV program here called FANTASTICO ( Do i need to translate it ? >it's very similar... just a *O-less* in the end , if you know what i mean) [smut warning] ...please pardon my saying so, but what's an end without the "O"? [smut no more] cheers, t. At 05:21 PM 12/1/98 , Emanuel Brown wrote: > >Finally, a fellow Brooklynite on the list. Are there any others I wonder? > >curious like george, >emanuel > > >Free, fast e-mail accessible anytime, anywhere http://www.imaginemail.com >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rwjf1 at xxx.uk Wed Dec 2 00:23:48 1998 From: rwjf1 at xxx.uk (Robert Fisk) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:23:48 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: Sinister: Chaste, but never caught In-Reply-To: <36646718.11610402@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: I love Hal Hartley Robert On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 22:42:29 GMT Robert McTaggart wrote: > > Hello Young Lovers, > > It's competition time, and there is a big BIG prize. I am offering a > fantastic tape of my favourite soul stompers to anyone who can tell me > what Trousers was wittering on about in his last mail. I didn't > understand a bloody word of it. > > Anyhoo, Hal Hartley. Belle and Sebastian fans are obliged to like > him, aren't they? Of course, for our transatlantic chums, this is old > news, but the Warrander John and I went to see "Henry Fool" last > night. I was a bit wary of going to the pictures with him after he > rather forwardly invited me into "Santa's Chocolate Grotto" to > celebrate the first day of Advent, but once I'd persuaded him that > necking in the back row was a no-no on our first date, we went along. > Now I'm a big Hal fan, but the first few minutes made me nervous. "Oh > no, this is going to be crap", I thought. Then someone threw up all > over someone else's naked buttocks (no, it wasn't John), and > everything got suddenly better. It's actually one of those films that > you think about the next day and think "oooh, that bit was good", > rather than one you enjoy at the time and have forgotten about as soon > as you hit the bar afterwards. In the bar afterwards, John and I > talked about you all for a while, that's why your ears were burning. > Brad and Genevieve, your ears should be truly ablaze by now. But you > know what, it was all said with love. Well, lust anyway. > > Sex list?? I'm scared and I want my Mum. I can't even seek chaste > sanctuary at the Shalala Monastery since Brother Duke has renounced > his vow of chastity and admitted his desire to "have it off" with > Isobel. What was left of my innocence was dashed against the rocks by > that particular revelation, believe me. > > Goodnight, > Love, > Tag xxx > > PS Is it Alan Horne? > > PPS Joyeux anniversaire a la fille la plus renardeuse de ma vie. > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------- Robert Fisk rwjf1 at ukc.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From escossia at xxx.br Tue Dec 1 23:28:49 1998 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:28:49 -0200 Subject: Sinister: it's the end of the world as we know it (and i feel fine) Message-ID: <01be1d82$598b2dc0$0100007f@localhost> Lesley (Mary) Jo wrote: >i shall have my Isobel page up very soon, and rest assured that discussions >of orifices of any kind will be strongly discouraged therein! This is GREAT, i am not talking about the "orificies subject", i am talking about the Isobel www. I agree with you, Mary Jo. I am so sorry, yesterday i wrote PAYED. The right is PAID, isn't it ? But ...don't forget: My english is better than your Portuguese :o) Dear(s) Matthew Hintz, Nikolas Montaldi and Jaspreet "spiralscratch" B. I will write to you soon. This week is a TERRIBLE week to send private mails. Jaspreet B and Matthew Hintz. Be patient with me about the tapes. I will send QUITE soon. Sorry Honey. Did i break one sinister law ? I think so .. Can i tell you all that i bought a new 200 ml CK ONE and a friend of mine will give me the new B&S Ep as my B-day's gift ? OHHHH MY GOD !!!! I am bored/boring... i will get another Miller now. Lesley (mary) Jo wrote again: >just wanted to announce that my Isobel Campbell Wee World of Worship is >finally online How Fast !!!! URL please >i wrote a song the other day, honest i did. I was trying (and trying to be duke) to write a POP Book. But read POP BOOKS is more fun (or is funnier ? :o) Let's have the Grammar subject again ! oooops !!! Nobody loves me. They refused my subs in Sha La La list. They broke my heart in four. I swear that i love Pastels and i love early Creation "Sonic Flower Groove" is WONDERFUL. i want to "sha la la there" too. Right Here, Right Now Losing the Faith See this page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1389/heart_beat.htm Hugs ~~~^~^v^~^v^~^v^~^v^~v^~^v^~^v^~ Ivo A P Escossia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rwjf1 at xxx.uk Wed Dec 2 00:43:02 1998 From: rwjf1 at xxx.uk (Robert Fisk) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:43:02 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: Sinister: it's the end of the world as we know it (and i feel fine) In-Reply-To: <01be1d82$598b2dc0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: My best friend is Portugese so although my Portugese is not as good as your Portuges, I'm not bad at ye olde Porto language. On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:28:49 -0200 Ivo A P Escossia wrote: > > Lesley (Mary) Jo wrote: > >i shall have my Isobel page up very soon, and rest assured that > discussions > >of orifices of any kind will be strongly discouraged therein! > > > This is GREAT, i am not talking about the "orificies subject", i am talking > about the Isobel www. > I agree with you, Mary Jo. > > I am so sorry, yesterday i wrote PAYED. > The right is PAID, isn't it ? > But ...don't forget: My english is better than your Portuguese :o) > > Dear(s) Matthew Hintz, Nikolas Montaldi and Jaspreet "spiralscratch" B. > I will write to you soon. > This week is a TERRIBLE week to send private mails. > Jaspreet B and Matthew Hintz. > Be patient with me about the tapes. > I will send QUITE soon. > Sorry Honey. > Did i break one sinister law ? > I think so .. > Can i tell you all that i bought a new 200 ml CK ONE and a friend of mine > will give me the new B&S Ep as my B-day's gift ? > OHHHH MY GOD !!!! > I am bored/boring... i will get another Miller now. > > Lesley (mary) Jo wrote again: > >just wanted to announce that my Isobel Campbell Wee World of Worship is > >finally online > > How Fast !!!! > URL please > > >i wrote a song the other day, honest i did. > > I was trying (and trying to be duke) to write a POP Book. > But read POP BOOKS is more fun (or is funnier ? :o) > Let's have the Grammar subject again ! > oooops !!! > > > Nobody loves me. > They refused my subs in Sha La La list. > They broke my heart in four. > I swear that i love Pastels and i love early Creation > "Sonic Flower Groove" is WONDERFUL. > i want to "sha la la there" too. > > Right Here, Right Now > Losing the Faith > See this page > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1389/heart_beat.htm > > Hugs > > ~~~^~^v^~^v^~^v^~^v^~v^~^v^~^v^~ Ivo A P Escossia > > > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------- Robert Fisk rwjf1 at ukc.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From IndiaRubb at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 00:36:31 1998 From: IndiaRubb at xxx.com (IndiaRubb at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:36:31 EST Subject: Sinister: January Select magazine Message-ID: johnj at seahouses.u-net.com writes: << They like the EP too. You can read about it for yourselves, but they do say that 'The Gate' is "an Isobel Campbell song that doesn't quite match her 'Is it Wicked Not To care'".. they're right, I'm sorry to say I don't like The Gate at all. >> Maybe it's been discussed before (I'll keep it short), but I don't like "Is it Wicked..." very much at all, and the short sound clip I heard of "The Gate" actually impressed me more (Wicked is the only Isobel song I've heard). "Is it Wicked Not to Care" just seems like an incredibly weak song, in my opinion, instrumentally and vocally (though I think Isobel's voice backs up Murdoch's perfectly), and lyrics like "but still I hesitate because of fear" almost make me embarrased to play it out loud. The video helped the song, though, I thought. It seems people who like Wicked hate The Gate...hmm, maybe I'll get lucky and it'll be a vice versa deal. gwt +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From atieger at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 01:03:40 1998 From: atieger at xxx.com (aaron tieger) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:03:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: On the CS Lewis tip Message-ID: <19981202010340.3344.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Does anyone know Lewis' criticism? I've only read one essay, on Donne, and I want to know if the rest of his criticism is as moronic as that piece. Sadly, I never got to read the books as a child, and I think I've missed my window. I did like that movie, though. a === atieger at rocketmail.com auger/anvil Give me the sense to wonder... _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail, free e-mail for the planet. * Visit & explore Cybersmith at http://www.cybersmith.com * Get your web-based e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Augury7 at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 00:57:33 1998 From: Augury7 at xxx.com (Augury7 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:57:33 EST Subject: Sinister: List-erine Kisses Message-ID: yep yep yep i live in brooklyn, too. in clinton hill to be exact, very very close to pratt. there is a bar at the end of my street that has my most favorite pin ball game in the world--the who's tommy one. it rocks. maybe that bar would be b&s friendly? not hip at all or anything; just a nice little neighborhood place. susan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amarnold at xxx.edu Wed Dec 2 01:29:47 1998 From: amarnold at xxx.edu (Alex Arnold) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 19:29:47 -0600 Subject: Sinister: The Gate, Narnia, and other stuff Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19981201192947.006a0b80@students.wisc.edu> Hi all, I too think "The Gate" (what I've heard of it anyway) sounds better than "Wicked". I can't be trusted though, 'cause I actually own a Neil Diamond cd. Narnia: Anyone see the Young Ones episode where Vivian walks through the back of a wardrobe and winds up in said fabled land? Funny stuff, especially when he's bitching for more turkish delight. Ta, Alexander the Lukewarm in my changer: Wonderstuff, Mojave 3, Boo Radley's, Brubeck, Slapshot +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jmurphy at xxx.Edu Wed Dec 2 01:31:07 1998 From: jmurphy at xxx.Edu (Jessica Murphy) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:31:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: On the CS Lewis tip: never too late In-Reply-To: <19981202010340.3344.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, aaron tieger wrote: > Does anyone know Lewis' criticism? I've only read one > essay, on Donne, and I want to know if the rest of > his criticism is as moronic as that piece. Sadly, I > never got to read the books as a child, and I think > I've missed my window. Oh no, Aaron, the window never closes on wonderful writing, does it? I hope not. Sorry, I don't mean to attack you... Anyway, the last time I was visiting home and couldn't sleep, I re-read my old copy of "The Magician's Nephew" and I enjoyed it as much as ever. The only "grown-up" work by Lewis that I've read is "A Grief Considered," but it's not literary criticism; it's a meditation on the death of his wife. Less cheering than the Narnia books, although they seem to contain some serious thoughts on death & life too... Boy, that sounded somber! jessica m +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mart at xxx.uk Wed Dec 2 01:40:21 1998 From: mart at xxx.uk (Martin Horsfield) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 01:40:21 +0000 Subject: Sinister: lonely girls make good lovers Message-ID: Listees, Just as the list was threatening to get dull, it's good to see you all addressing the big issues with such gusto (sex, religion, lame 80s movies). I'm especially pleased that my CS Lewis post provoked such reaction. Perhaps one day I shall be a man of influence on this list, like those they call the 'Duke', 'Candarel', 'Honey' or, indeed, 'Trousers'. I'm writing after one of those rare nights in London when magic truly happened. I had arranged to go and see Dan Penn with Matinee Michael (who you are all yet to meet - he distrusts this list business) but when we got to the Borderline, the sold-out signs were up. Naturally we repaired to the Pillars of Hercules to drown our sorrows in a lake of Marston's Pedigree and, just as we took our spot at the bar, two women came in. They knew all the bar staff and from our eavesdropping, we worked out that they were from the Borderline. Converstation was struck up, Matinee were mentioned, my Belle and Sebastian button was noticed and immediately one of the women was straight onto her mobile phone wangling us onto the paid guestlist. (She also told us to hang on till after the show because MC Tunes was doing some live toasting in the club. We didn't take her up on that particular offer.) Anyway, Dan Penn and Spooner Oldham will live long in my heart as one of the best nights of live music I've ever seen. The atmosphere was like a church. 200 people were completely silent until the end of each song when everyone was smiling and hugging. I counted three of us in tears near the front (I was especially susceptible during 'You Tear Me Up' and 'Old Folks'.) Penn, not content with writing 'I'm Your Puppet', 'Do Right Woman/Man' and 'Dark End Of The Street' has a warm, wise voice and a dry humour, while Oldham supplies all the harmonies and Chris Geddes- style Wurlitzer licks. Among those present were Beth Orton, 'Merton' Mick Talbot, Frank Skinner, Delia from Mambo Taxi/every band in London, Jason Pierce, the bloke out of The Rockingbirds and Bobby Gillespie who I hugged just after 'Dark End...', just saying 'brilliant, brilliant' to each other. I was emotionally drained and Matinee Mike received something of a country baptising himself. After all that, I got talking to a girl from Leeds on the Tube and ended up going about 10 stops out of my way, chaperoning her to Tufnell Park, raving about Dan Pen and receiving a hug, a kiss and her phone number for my troubles. To the lonely girl of a few days back, looking for some music to ease her through her break-up: remember you can't just take this stuff like a tincture. You have to disregard everything your parents, your boyfriends, your dumb peers or the church ever told you. As Terry Callier sings 'Pretty music, when you hear it/keep on trying to get near it/a little rhythm for your spirit' etc etc. Take your cues from those who speak right to your heart and you won't go far wrong. Martin Horsfield, ordinary Joe +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From e.brown at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 01:36:52 1998 From: e.brown at xxx.com (Emanuel Brown) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 18:36:52 -0700 Subject: Sinister: List-erine Kisses Message-ID: Hey Susan, Clinton Hill, eh? Cool. I'm in Park Slope. I've been in contact with two other Brooklyn Sinisterines, JonnyKat & Vito, both of whom live in Williamsburgh. I suggested the Last Exit on Atlantic Avenue between Clinton & Henry Streets only because its a great bar/lounge and would be perfect for a meet-up. Lots of couches, comfy chairs, nice folks, etc. But your place sounds nice too. What I proposed to the other guys is that we post something to the list about a meet-up and see how many people we can get. Just a thought. It'll be a bit weird anyhow. I don't know about you but I've never actually met anyone in person from an internet chat-list-thingy. Well, whatever. Let's keep in touch as the boys are all fired up to meet soon. As ever, emanuel Free, fast e-mail accessible anytime, anywhere http://www.imaginemail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 04:47:26 1998 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 23:47:26 -0500 Subject: Sinister: halo of lights Message-ID: <003e01be1dae$f7e13880$1e1e05d1@tinystar> hi all, it's been a little while since i've posted - all that reaction about ahren really scared me, honestly. i just wanted to share, and it got turned into this big moral thing. no need to worry any more, though. i've got that kiss out of my system and we're still good friends. if only the whole world worked like seinfeld. i've got a friend here in toronto who has a taped copy of tigermilk! of course, i was very surprised and asked where he got it...turns out, it was from a friend of a friend's girlfriend in college, and therefore impossible to track down as he isn't in touch with the friend any more. i'm so curious, though, as to how the heck someone in toronto of all places would find a copy of tigermilk. because i was under the impression that tigermilks were really only distributed in the uk and a bit in the us, and probably not at all in canada. does anyone know if any were supposed to have been sent to canada? sounds like a david and katrina question. so i'm sitting here under a lovely halo of christmas lights, as i've draped them across my bookshelf and tape racks and they're just hovering over my monitor, they're little bright white lights and i'm debating whether or not i should put in the flashing bulb so i can have a real light show in here. i tell you, if i had a boy this would be a den of sex. well, something similar, anyways. i say that belle and sebastian should record an album of christmas songs. can you imagine how beautiful the holidays would become? b+s are already perfect fluffy snow and rosy cheeks music, and so are a bit festive anyways, but my grandparents have issues with playing music that's not christmassy over the holidays. even though last year i snuck in some IYFS, they soon realised that there was no mention of nativity scenes or jingling bells, so b+s was out and boney m was back in. so, uh, this is kind of like a plea for friends, but i've started a yahoo club. lame, yes, but oh! the status of being the *founder* of a club. so i'm inviting you all to join, to become members of twee socks. i'm not sure what it's about yet, as there are only two members thus far, but it's all in the spirit of sharing and poking my nose into lives where it doesn't belong. so the address is http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/tweesocks please visit and say hello, we're all very friendly, all two of us, and promise to let you in on the best secrets. and while you're at it, go to the list crush page and vote for me. other b+s related news: i'm in the process of trying to convert a friend to b+s, but she's only heard parts of twattybus and she's a trumpet player, she actually plays in the symphony youth orchestra (which is invitation only and still costs a pretty penny to join, but she's so good they're only charging her like $100), so i think that dog on wheels would probably appeal to her more. i'm wondering, there's a boy at school named matt, he's really grasping at anything that he thinks might make him "cool" or "different". i'm wondering if i should abuse my "cool" powers (which he made clear to me when he found out my tongue was pierced, said 'but you look so innocent...i guess you're really not' with a perverse wink...ugh) and get him into b+s. because he's so easily manipulated, and he was acting all nonchalantly curious when he heard me playing twattybus in the music room. should i? or should i work on sweet tyler, who looks like steve malkmus? or both? oh, decisions. so in summation: join tweesocks and vote for me in the listcrush poll. and i love you all. no, i'm not sucking up. would anyone like some candy? love, jessicaxo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Wed Dec 2 05:18:37 1998 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:18:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: late for a very important date Message-ID: hi kids regarding c.s. lewis, the only thing i read by his was called "until we have faces". it was rather an odd choice, based on what my mom had in her bookcase. anyway, it's a retelling of the story of cupid and psyche, creating a family for psyche to flesh her out and attempt to make her human. it's more about the older sibling of psyche than anything else, but anyway, i'd recommend it. i'm really busy lately, doing homework type stuff. yup, tis the season for finals. though really i don't have many exams, mostly it's projects. for my final film project, i'm making a film of dirty dream #2. i dunno how it's going to turn out though. hopefully good, as it will be my final class grade. and i like those to be good. cause, um, i find it's best to do well in classes. tomorrow morning i have my acting class. for the record, i'm not an actress. those who see me act would agree. argh. ok, enough existential angst. or, well, i guess that was more like final exam angst. whatever. i simply cannot be entertaining during final exams. unless anyone wants to laugh over the disorganized state of my life. in which case feel free. oh, have we got any sinisterines from russia yet? there's really no excuse not to as i've seen a video on alternative nation. granted, it was on at 3am, but still. it could happen. anyway, back to the things i should be doing. you kids must stop distracting me. lots of kisses. xox megan mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu visit the magnetic fields web page at: http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kimpostor at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 06:29:14 1998 From: kimpostor at xxx.com (Kimberly Forrette) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:29:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: sweetmeats, anyone? Message-ID: <19981202062914.27601.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> okay who remembers the episode of the Young Ones (it was "NASTY" i think) wherein Vyvyan goes into a wardrobe during a game of hide and seek and as he's walking deeper and deeper into it he starts getting snowed on, and then he stumbles out into a field and then that freaky witch woman on her sled with some little dwarf guy (Michael something was the name of the actor, he was in lots of other shows that needed dwarfs in the eighties) driving it offers Vyvyan some ? well needless to say it's a really funny goof on the whole "Lion the witch and the wardrobe" series, which i think all self-respecting children should read at one time or another. actually all children should read it even if they don't respect themselves. i didn't. there's another cool series called "the dark is rising", by susan cooper. it's about this kid who goes to wales on vacation and discovers this whole welsh legend about a golden harp and....well you'll just have to read it yourself. i remember it starts out with this awesome poem about a prophecy, and as a little girl in massachusetts with no self-respect, i spent many an hour memorizing it. and i still know it to this day. okay back into the woodwork i go. nastily, kim _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 07:27:00 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 07:27:00 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Six to turn it back In-Reply-To: <19981202062914.27601.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981202072700.007a44a0@mail.u-net.com> Kimberly Forrette wrote: >there's another cool series called "the dark is rising", by susan >cooper. it's about this kid who goes to wales on vacation and >discovers this whole welsh legend about a golden harp and....well >you'll just have to read it yourself. Yes. Also, this is rather good. What was the first one? "Over Sea, Under Stone" was it? I can't remember. I've got all of them in paperback, excellent 'childrens' books ie they're still great now I'm a bigger child than I was before. My favourites were the one where it was Christmas, and also the last one, I'm afraid I can't remember any titles apart from "Green Witch" and it wasn't that one, that was the 3rd one. What interesting literary tastes we all had when we were smaller! JJ xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From goodforyoo at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 08:40:21 1998 From: goodforyoo at xxx.com (milla |razorkandy|) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:40:21 GMT Subject: Sinister: mercury Rev Message-ID: <19981202084022.28907.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello All, thought you might like to know, Mercury Rev will be playing the Evening Session tonight on Radio 1 (britain). 'sall. cheers ................milla..., ****i'minlovewitheveryonewhoknowsit'shardtobuildawayofseeing whoknowsthatneverthelessthat'stheonlywaytoflameintobeing**** ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frantila at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 11:20:33 1998 From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 11:20:33 EET Subject: Sinister: MESSING UP RELATIONSHIPS IS SOMETHING IM GOOD AT. Message-ID: <19981202092034.2770.qmail@hotmail.com> Ok, last week my good friend Aino was at my place. She broke up with her boyfriend three weeks ago, and after that she had been to a coffee with him twice, and both times had ended up in a huge argument. Ok, fair enough, but the thing she said to me was hilarious: "I always wondered how you can fuck up all your relationships by acting up like a complete asshole. Now I did it myself, and I noticed it's quite easy." Oh thanks Aino. It's nice to hear I'm good at something. And all of you who can get your hands on "Helsingin Sanomat", Finlands biggest newspaper, buy it on 15th of January. There's a five page- report on single people in that one, and I'm one of the six people interviewed for that. I see this reporter once a week 'till the end of the year, and then she writes about my thoughts and happenings during those weeks. Nice, about 3 million people can now read about my past relationships and the facts how I completely screw them up and how I try to wipe those clouds of mine off the sky and get some sunshine into my life. But hey, "any publicity etc". Sniff. @--->--- Love, Jarkko Fr�ntil�. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From aadam at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 08:34:43 1998 From: aadam at xxx.com (It's me!) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 03:34:43 -0500 Subject: Sinister: An odd coincidence (HEY B&S content!) Message-ID: <3664FB8E.5032@interaccess.com> Here I sit listening to a tape of the BBC sessions. Actually one session in particular, the one that was done exactly two years ago today! Bust out yr tapes in commemoration, kids. It's party time. Aadam +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keith at xxx.uk Wed Dec 2 09:32:12 1998 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:32:12 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Re Tigermilk In-Reply-To: <006501be1d60$4af52bc0$aae7edc1@default> Message-ID: <000401be1dd6$a4179b90$4e0129c2@sun.QSS> But it says the sessions were from July & December 96, which seems to conflict with the FAQ? The FAQ says they're both about that time, cause when I taped them I didn't write a date on them. I've also subsequently lost the tapes, so I can't carbon date them. The second one I'm sure is about right, cause it was definitely new year, and the first one might've been July, I can't remember. I'm sure it was a bit later than that though. Thanks, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Wed Dec 2 10:11:44 1998 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:11:44 +0000 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Shadowlands Message-ID: My loved listerines : All I knew about CS Lewis I had learnt it seeing Atemborough's film , before the list decided to change its smutty profile into some sort of mystical style...I was quite reluctant to see the film, Attemborough is not my cup of tea, really but I have to confess I truly enjoyed it and wasted about one full packet of Kleenex that afternoon. Then few years later, I met a guy in real life who resembles CS Lewis, he is in Cambridge, he thinks he is wasting his time , should he quit literature and knowledge for the taste of life, the taste of sex, sweat, blood , rent paying and so? we started to exchange e mails talking about Rilke and his metaphysical conception of not corresponded love, or Housman and his unhappy fate. After some experiences with boys expert in arab straps , the idea of being his own Debra Winger started to twist inside my little and crazy head.But when we spent a day together a month ago I thought taking him out from his imprisonment in an ancient college was a too hard labour for me,seeing the theoretical chemistry between us, did not exist in a ummm, smutty sense??? I avoided carefully even holding hands and have turned my eyes since then towards not so profound males who has even read some novel written after 2nd World War Who said Chickfactor was a bad song? I LUV IT!!!I also have a Neil Diamond compilation and really like Sweet Caroline , so I am not very trustworthy either.But my favourites lately are She is losing it , My wandering days are over (will they be over some time, I have discovered there is a Japanese restaurant in Nottingham , will you be there?)and Pocketbook angel, because my best friend is a marketing analyst, and she regards her job as the least poetic one in the world, so she will be really gland when in Christmas listening to my RS tape she would find out there is a song about them. Could anyone suggest what I could listen by Nick Drake ? I have nothing by him...and just some suggestion, try some Jacques Brel, Philippe supports my idea that probably most of you would find his songs fantastic, and Tim Buckley and family, of course. One final remark : does anyone in the list want to share Jeremy Irons? My housemate,who is a converted into B&S thanks to my proselytism,and I have agreed we wouldn't mind to share him as well some massive country house in Wiltshire for ex.Even if there is no sex there, we want to marry you, Jeremy! xxxx Arantxa = Arantzazu ( which means the one who wanders through spines )A +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shop at xxx.uk Wed Dec 2 10:39:06 1998 From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:39:06 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Re Tigermilk References: <006501be1d60$4af52bc0$aae7edc1@default> Message-ID: <366518CA.EBAAB002@jeepster.co.uk> Steve Iguana wrote: > > However I did come across a stall selling various rarities which had a CD > version of Tigermilk with bonus tracks recorded for the BBC Radcliffe > Sessions. > > The man said the CD was a "sort" of official version released by the band, > but I'm fairly sure its a pirate copy. The man also told me that the > original version of the Album was worth £400. 'tis crap, it's not official in any way, and not even a 'sort of' way. we've heard one and the speed on tiggerjuice is far too fast, it makes stuart sound like a chipmunk (or similiar). of course, buying it is your own prerogative, but it is shite and with the official release around the corner would it be worth it? afterall, someone on the list can always do a tape to tide you over in the meantime, and the only person who benefits is some dodgy shark and not the band. > The bonus tracks were: > Dog on wheels, The state I am in, I could be dreaming, Just a modern Rock > song, seeing other people, Judy & the dream of Horses and Like Dylan in the > movies. > But it says the sessions were from July & December 96, which seems to > conflict with the FAQ? the definitive list of radio sessions can be found at the bottom of teh page inthe discography index at http:/www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/discography/index.htm or something :) cheers david ----------------------------------------------------------------------- david kitchen : jeepster recordings ltd http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/salako/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/snowpatrol/ mailto:shop at jeepster.co.uk jeepster recordings ltd, 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london w10 5bn to subscribe to the news mailing list mail majordomo at jeepster.co.uk with the words 'subscribe news' in the body of the message there is no need to subscribe if you are on the 'sinister' list +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tdzF94 at xxx.edu Wed Dec 2 02:56:12 1998 From: tdzF94 at xxx.edu (The Trainspotter) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:56:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: List-erine Kisses In-Reply-To: <199812012343.SAA27565@bottlerocket.com> Message-ID: well we can met at my dad's store in brooklyn. ;) am I the only lass from there? -teri http://hampshire.edu/~tdzF94/ - Inspired by the writings of the eighteeth century Venetian gambler, eroticist and spy. "The day didn't go too well. Too many chocolates and cigarettes, I kept thinking of you and almost walking into lampposts." Pulp "Follow me through a city of frost covered angels I swear I have nothing to prove I just want to dance in your tangles To give me some reason to move" NMH On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Tony Zito wrote: > > Oy, yea -- oye! wmsburg here...shall we arrange a "meet-up"? Are there any > B&S friendly bars in brooklyn? > > Oh, and in response to.. > > At 07:47 PM 11/30/98 , Ivo A P Escossia wrote: > > > >There's a TV program here called FANTASTICO ( Do i need to translate it ? > >it's very similar... just a *O-less* in the end , if you know what i mean) > > [smut warning] > > ...please pardon my saying so, but what's an end without the "O"? > > [smut no more] > > cheers, > t. > > > At 05:21 PM 12/1/98 , Emanuel Brown wrote: > > > >Finally, a fellow Brooklynite on the list. Are there any others I wonder? > > > >curious like george, > >emanuel > > > > > >Free, fast e-mail accessible anytime, anywhere http://www.imaginemail.com > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Wed Dec 2 04:20:26 1998 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 23:20:26 -0500 Subject: Sinister: A Century of Rump-Shakers Message-ID: <3664C00A.B5D47D0F@ohiou.edu> *pant* Well, I've just managed to trudge through all 140 mails from the last few days. I'm afraid mails were flying into the trash bin like sawdust off a log, though I usually read each happy bunny's comments. Firstly, I must explain my recent abseence from this list, as well as #sinister for the past week. You see, I was spending my time entertaining Miss Magnetic Megan [Lehar]. We had a pretty eventful time. Here are some highlights: 1. Driving in the industrial wasteland of South Charleston when a large man-sized bird leapt in front of my car. We believe it to have been a blue heron. 2. Thanksgiving dinner with my family. Could have been scary, but luckily my uncle Dave wasn't there. 3. Seeing Fugazi play in my hometown. They are the first band of any repute to have ever played here. See, to those of you who think I only like P!O!O!, you're dead wrong. They were brilliant. 4. Discovering 2 more of my friends from high school were now B&S fans. One almost came to DC. That brings the total to 4, only 1 of which was converted by me. 5. Playing with my dad's new digital camera. Megan took a photo of me that resembles some sort of EP cover. Perhaps I should send it to the photo page. 6. Receiving a Field Mice single that Megan bought for me at the WFMU record fair. I am a lucky lad. But now the Magnetic Megan is back in Magnetic NYC, so I shall resume with the normal chitchat. Firstly, my favorite round thing would be a record. I got a swank new record player and receiver the other day. My record player is so sleek and understated. Much nicer than my old one. It's sad that all my B&S releases are only on CD, but I'll be okay. The Sha-La-La list has stopped sending out invitations, as we've reached our limit. I'm sorry and I'm sure Pete is too, but we're on a budget, sadly. Not all of us have unknowing employers ;) All of you who want can observe the happenings on the archive, located at www.twee.net. You'll see that, much as some would have you believe, we're not elitists. Kevan the Fat Slug wrote: > A quick search through the archives reveals that the best candidates > for making the B&S video are Magnetic Megan and FunkySeb. > > We all know that Megan has a wealth of experience in the world > of film making, and Seb is an all round theatrical entreprenaur, > even if he is unsubsribed these days. Kevan, you'll be pleased to know that upon reading Struan's mail, I was moved to awaken a drowsy Magnetic Megan to let her know the good news. Dirty Dream #2 is her favorite song off of the new album, if not of all B&S, so of course she is already hard at work. Half the filming is done. Hopefully it will feature a certain spiky orange-haired friend of mine from my all-ages punk rawk show-going days. I don't believe she will be shagging anyone, but I expect it to be smashing nonetheless. And about Robin Stout's question of Mick Cooke and brass playing. He brought his french horn with him to DC, and played it there. I asked him about it, I think he said he'd picked it up recently, and to my knowledge he didn't know any other brass instruments. He did seem to be playing guitar in a song in NYC, though. I think someone should pick up flute. Also, this post was written under the influence of the Jasmine Minks, I hope that doesn't bother Brad too much. /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - bp224995 at ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | - Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paul.field at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 11:27:02 1998 From: paul.field at xxx.com (Paul Field) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:27:02 -0000 Subject: Sinister: It's another true sory Message-ID: <01BE1DE6.AFF7F8A0.paul.field@cmgplc.com> Hello & goodbye. This will be my final post to all you lovelies, he said amongst sighs of relief. I will no longer have email after Friday and will have to unsubscribe (bu sending a message to majordomo at majordomo.net!). As I'm losing email, I've just sent a message to a few people - the first line being 'This is no declaration I just thought I'd let you know goodbye'. I offered d free pint of beer to the first one to reply with the song and artist I'd quoted from (this compy does not apply to you lot). I felt my money was safe as none of them have anything even remotely decent in their music tastes. I've only had one guess so far - was it something by the Sex Pistols? And you don't know this person - it was a serious attempt! Well, it made me laugh anyway. Tata for good Paul. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frantila at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 13:59:01 1998 From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 13:59:01 EET Subject: Sinister: A NOVEL I HOPE YOU CAN APPRECIATE. Message-ID: <19981202115902.20625.qmail@hotmail.com> FORESEEN At the party. He looks at her: Her grey eyes are too far away from her nose, her short brown hair is too greasy to say she's goodlooking, but as she's staring out the window, down the street and at the people walking there, he decides. He walks to her. "Hey", he says. No response. "Hey", he says again, now a little louder. Still nothing. Disappointed, he walks back to his chair. At the park. He takes his jacket and walks out. He's just passing the parkbench when he hears somone walking behind him. "Hey! Wait!" He turns around and sees her running to him. "Would you like to walk me home?" she says, staring at him with her blue eyes. He smiles. "I thought I'd never hear that question again", he says. They turn around and walk towards her apartment. At her place. They both are nervous. They stare at the wall, looking for things to say. "Would you like something to drink?" she asks. "Yes." She goes to the kitchen, pours two vodkadrinks into two glasses and comes back to the livingroom. "Here." "Thank you." They both drink their vodkas down with one quick handmove. Silent for a while. Then she stares at him with her light brown eyes. "Would you like to do it?" "Yes." Hand in hand they walk to the bedroom. On the bed, after they've made love. The man lits a cigarette. Inhales. The thick smoke lingers towards the ceiling, where it decides to spread itself around the room. "Do you love me?" she asks. He inhales smoke again, blows it out, gently. "Maybe", he says. She remains silent for a while, until a silvery tear slowly appears to her cheek. "It's ok", she says, trying to hold back the tears, but she can't help herself. "Is it?" he asks her, putting the cigarette into the ashtray and putting his arm around her, kissing her on the cheek. The tears are salty, but he doesn't mind. "Yes. It's ok." Two months later, at the beach. Their bare feet leave footprints behind them, as they walk near the waterline. It's dark, and there is no-one else there. The wind is blowing, heavily. "Storm is coming", he says, staring at the horizon. She doesn't answer, just lets the sand eat away her toes. After a while, she takes his arm and puts it around her body. "I've got something to tell you." "Yes?" She sighs, looking for words, trying to find some courage. "Im... blind." She's surprised to hear him laugh. "I know", he says. "you do?" First lighting. The tide slowly creeps towards their footprints. "I noticed it in the party. Your stare was too... distant, too fragile." They both stop walking, turn around to face each other. He stares at her blue eyes. She stares at him too, sees that the eyes that had been a light mix of green and grey slowly turn blueish. "I have something to tell you too", he says. "Two years ago... I had an accident." She puts her finger to his mouth, silencing him. "Shh", she says. "No need for that anymore. I can see it now." The tide now erases their footprints. It starts to rain. First a few raindrops drift towards the ground, but after a while he and she kiss in the eye of the storm, letting the wind blow away through them. @--->--- Love, Jarkko Fr�ntil�. Ps: Whats this crushlist people are talking about in here? ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From parachute at xxx.net Wed Dec 2 12:08:04 1998 From: parachute at xxx.net (brad) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 07:08:04 -0500 Subject: Sinister: you cut me deep Message-ID: <36652DA4.296F@earthlink.net> mickmcmick wrote: > Also, this post was written under the influence of the Jasmine Minks, > I hope that doesn't bother Brad too much. not at all, my two-name-challenged friend. actually the only song i've ever heard by them is "cut me deep" and its pretty darn good. i was just "having a go" at duke. so the other night i was watching the tube and i felt a mosquito land on my ear, or so i thought. so i reached up to swat it, and oh my lord! my ears were ablaze. anyway, the fire quickly spread and burned off my beautiful 'fro, and all the cool things i keep in it like tito jackson. well, i don't keep tito jackson in my 'fro, hey, wait a minute, i think i'm thinking of that fro'd guy on the harlem globetrotters cartoon who would pull a chair out of his head. or maybe i've got the whole fucking thing confused with captain caveman. anyway, the point is, stop talking about me, tag. if you ain't got nothing nice to say, then don't say nothing. did i tell you i was intimate with your mother? so, as you all know, i'm a 411 operator. well, tonight some guy called me up and i said "what listing?" and the guy's drunk and he asks me for twenty bucks. i said "excuse me" and he said "hey, operator, i know this a strange request, but can i have twenty bucks?" i told him to wait there by the pay phone and i would press this button and it would shoot him twenty dollars in quarters out. and he said "thanks, you don't know how much this means" stupid fucker. i wonder how long he waited. so deep, brad +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From AEvans at xxx.uk Wed Dec 2 11:58:39 1998 From: AEvans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:58:39 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Bulletin Board Message-ID: <25CC9C11BD12D111BA5500805F8B63691C7CB9@COR-EXG1> Well folks I nearly laughed, but you see for yourself. The following is an advertisement on Devon County Councils internal Bulletin Board. when reading you should know that *Oasis* is a prehistoric internal e-mail system sometimes cleverly referred to by Outlook users as Oasisaurus and not a prehistoric band sometimes cleverly referred to by the general public as c**ts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LEGO : Large amount of Lego, including 18 roadbases to make a village, horses, people etc, a few instructions have survived the five children originally bought for !!! £70 ovno. Please contact : Marylin on OASIS MMason. 27/11/98. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh how I very nearly chortled when I misread the email address for MManson. It conjured up such a beautiful image of the wild man of rock scrabbling desperately for a red four pimple square to finish his toy-town fire engine, and then the ensuing tantrum when he realises that he needs the very same piece to finish off his pony.....double-drats !! Adrian. In my mug : Sainsbury's tomato cup-a-soup....no croutons. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From goodforyoo at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 12:42:49 1998 From: goodforyoo at xxx.com (milla |razorkandy|) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 12:42:49 GMT Subject: Sinister: kids books and Pixel juice Message-ID: <19981202124256.5656.qmail@hotmail.com> I loved the Susan Cooper ones (there were 5 or 6) and the CS Lewis ones too. My favourite is the Voyage of the DawnTreader. CS Lewis wrote a book called Mere Christianity? which I started but it was a trifle dry, if you can have a dry trifle.. There were several other sci fi type authors who did whole sets of books like Lloyd Alexander and to some extent Arthur Ransome and then the historico ones like Rosemary Sutcliffe or Henry Treece. For peeps who still like that light scifi on the surface but funny and deep really, may I recommend Jeff Noon (new books - Nymphomation and Pixel Juice) I went to see him read in October and it was quite an experience- He did pared down dub versions (all sung/chanted)of some of the short stories and a load of puns like: Jonny takes metaphorozine. He's a real dog brian takes Laetotizol. Sparkles like a graveyard but never gets the urge Josie takes Hyperbolatide. That mouth such bliss and the planets and the satellites take refuge inside her lips. Desmond takes onomatopiates. He's a woof-woof. I also found an old book in a 2nd hand bookshop/cafe here in Cambridge called cb1- it's a great place a bit like cafe.alt on Ave A- a hardback guide to Track and Field with all black and white pictures and a dusty dust jacket. Almost bought it. back to practical write-ups mone drone ................milla..., ****i'minlovewitheveryonewhoknowsit'shardtobuildawayofseeing whoknowsthatneverthelessthat'stheonlywaytoflameintobeing**** ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Wed Dec 2 12:59:07 1998 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:59:07 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: Aaaslaaan Message-ID: The spookiest thing for me about The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe is when they emerge from the wardrobe after lord knows how long in Narnia, where they've grown up and got married - and when they come out they're children again. I just felt really sorry for them all. I seem to send far more e-mails when I've got a lab report to write than any other time. Oh, I'm such a fool. I nearly got drunk last night. Well, I guess I shouldn't have been sitting inside that teapot! HA HA HA! Hmmm..... If I just sit here for a bit longer, maybe my lab report will be done by the time I get back by the lab report genie. I hope so. La di da di da ... Bye Roobin Stoot +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fatslug at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 12:02:49 1998 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 05:02:49 -0700 Subject: Sinister: 1998 Pop Subutteo Tournament Message-ID: * Friday 27/11/98 14:30 Southampton Good luck card from work colleagues and phone call from Alec at Nairns reminding me not to compromise their market positioning strategy. No idea what he is talking about, but the cheque for two hundred pounds arrived last week so I just agree with him. Finish work early and head home for final preparations. * Friday 27/11/98 17:00 Basingstoke Check all figures, oil moving parts, polish Stuart's silver trousers, and practice set pieces. * Saturday 28/11/98 08:00 Earls Court Arrive at the venue, meet controversial 1994 runner-up Sabrina in reception. The rules have been changed since, to avoid a repeat of that rather tawdry performance. * Saturday 28/11/98 08:15 Earls Court Find my table "Belle and Sebastian sponsored by Nairns Oakcakes" and start to unpack. Fresh batteries and a last polish for Stuart's trousers. Head to the restaurant for some breakfast and chat with Adam and the Ants as other competitors arrive. * Saturday 28/11/98 10:00 Earls Court Opening match against The Equals featuring Eddy Grant. Taken by surprise as they launch straight in with Baby Come Back, but after withstanding the body blow I hit back hard with Lazy Line Painter Jane, and a gentle prod with Simple Things is enough for an early victory. * Saturday 28/11/98 11:15 Earls Court Take on the might of Metallica in the second round. They had demolished Robson and Jerome in the first round leaving the oldest competitor in tears, poor Mrs Bootle. A bit of research had suggested that Lars Ulrich would be their weak spot, and the research paid off as Stuart D confounded the pretty boy skin basher with some carefully crafted loops. Before they had had a chance to recover Le Pastie exposed the tedium of their riffery, and an achingly beautiful State I Am In left them gibbering at Stuart's feet. * Saturday 28/11/98 12:30 Earls Court Lunch with Alec from Nairns who is very pleased with Belle and Sebastian's performance so far. Meet his corporate guests who include a purchasing executive from Marks and Spencers called Brian. Brian is pleased that Metallica were felled by a song that mentioned his store. Promise another of Alec's guests (from Littlewoods) that I will use Pocketbook Angel against The Undertones in the next round. * Saturday 28/11/98 14:00 Earls Court After a tactical and considered opening a ferocious battle ensues, one of the hardest fought games that I can remember. The Undertones put up a really tough fight and look capable of going all the way to the final, but the Belle and Sebastian set pieces are paying off. Sarah loses a limb during Teenage Kicks, and Feargal Sharky is left bloodied and visibly shaken by The Boy With the Arab Strap. * Saturday 28/11/98 14:45 Earls Court At the end of time the game is still undecided, so Stuart and Feargal go head to head in the decider. Head to head tie breaks weren't part of my pre-match training schedule, but luckily Feargal is still shaken, and can only muster a cringing version of A Good Heart. It looks as though Stuart is going to walk it. * Saturday 28/11/98 14:48 Earls Court Stuart moves in for the kill and starts to sing "There's too many broken hearts in the world, There's too many dreams can be broken in two" Arrrgh! I'm gonna get you Evans! * Saturday 28/11/98 15:00 Earls Court Judges announce disqualification of the Belle and Sebastian team, and entry to the international Pop Subutteo competition in NYC is also in doubt. Meanwhile Steps defeat last year's winners The Who in the final of the competition. * Sunday 29/11/98 11:20 Basingstoke Phone call from Alec, he is surprisingly understanding about the whole thing, apparently the scandal has made the headlines in the Sunday People with Nairns name all over the front page. Alec says that any publicity is good publicity when it's on the front page of the national papers. * Sunday 29/11/98 12:15 Basingstoke Phone call from the Pop Subutteo international governing body confirming that I have been barred from the NYC competition. The plane tickets are already paid for and it's too late to get a refund, so I will now be looking for something to do in NYC between the 12th and the 15th of December. *********************************** chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickclick.com http://www.chickmail.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Tjonrr at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 13:16:32 1998 From: Tjonrr at xxx.com (Tjonrr at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:16:32 EST Subject: Sinister: "then we all get in the bath..." Message-ID: all this talk of the lion the witch and the wardrobe gives me flashbacks to when i was little (late 80s i think) and the whole familywould gather round the tv on sunday nights to watch the series they made of it. sundays was the day all us weans had our baths and washed our hair so my memory mainly consists of that shampoo/clean hair smell that you get in hairdressers. im sure it was not such an idyllic picture of family bliss in reality but you know that saying about seeing the past through rose tinted specs or something. dont actually member much about the program except the stunning animatronic lion. somewhat bizarrley the only other thing i member is that it was on after the clothes show. never read the books but i have recently reread mervyn peakes Gormenghast trilogy which i think is in a similar vein. its pretty brilliant though the last part is a bit of a headfuck, due to the mental deterioration of the author when he was writing it apparantly. from tjohn on my hifi: The Bitter Springs- "From The Parish Of Arthritis" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From atieger at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 13:58:28 1998 From: atieger at xxx.com (aaron tieger) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:58:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Re: On the CS Lewis tip: never too late: well... Message-ID: <19981202135828.1627.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> What I mean is that I think there are certain times when you need to read certain books are certain bands in order to fully appreciate them. Like, I had to go through being a metaller before I could apprectate punk before I could appreciate indie, or half the reason I love Disintegration so much is because I first heard it at a crucial juncture in my development. If I heard it now for the first time, I might not be so blown away. Of course, I did just read Dune for the first time (and loved it), something my friends all did way back when. I'm sure it's a fine series. The piece by him was well written, except that his argument was full of shit. As for the Young Ones, I prefer the one where Vyv goes into the closet or wherever and he finds the witches from Macbeth saying "All hail MacVyvyan." that's all for this morning, time to leave for work. aaron === atieger at rocketmail.com auger/anvil Give me the sense to wonder... _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail, free e-mail for the planet. * Visit & explore Cybersmith at http://www.cybersmith.com * Get your web-based e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Wed Dec 2 14:17:28 1998 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:17:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: Aslan is Jesus Message-ID: I'm sorry. But Fucks In The Snow? I think this would be just hideous, as when you get up close to it snow is rarely floaty or cherry-blossom like at all, but dirty and wet and - shock horror - pretty damn cold too. And the combined body of the two (or more) shaggers would melt it all anyway. Sorry idealistic popkids, I'm just feeling in a cynical mood. Narnia - I read all the chronicles and loved them when a wee lass (they even came in a pretty box which I thought was *so* spesh - did anyone else have those editions?) but when in later life I found out abouyt the religious allegory etc I felt rather icky. It all smacked of indoctrination a bit too much for my liking. I had quite enough of that at school what with having to drone the Lord's Prayer every day. I always thought one of the great things about B&S is how murky and doubtful, but simultaneously appealing, religion is shown as. "Her spirituality was thrown into confusion". That's me, pretty much. Before I go, I need help. Tomorrow I must be at a party dressed as a literary character and I have minimal costume ingredients. Who can I be? Lovebites, Archel xxx "This is Maz. She'll be giving blowjobs, smiling and being encouraging." ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth rap101 at york.ac.uk http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nobody can be uncheered with a balloon." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tourajsig2 at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 14:19:53 1998 From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:19:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: SW9 Thanksgiving Plus Message-ID: <19981202141953.16699.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Saturday evening, my flat, a little after 9:30pm. There are 34 people here. Thirty-bleedin'-four. In the lounge, hall, kitchen and bathroom (booze centrale). Sadly, despite my best efforts, no one seems keen to make "use" of the bedrooms ('Cupid & Psyche 85' in one, a huge 'fun' pile of coats with enormous kissing-den possibilities in the other). Time smears. Numbers have thinned and now the blender on top of the Zanussi is generating beverages with outlandish amounts of froth and colours not found in nature. Fairy Liquid, anyone ? Ah, Jasper - I thought you might... Mr Leonard digs himself a hole next to a Noted Violinist, and Trousers and Tim H happily pile the earth on top of him; he redeems himself later with acoustic dexterity and 'A Child Is Born'. Later still. Someone has kindly 'returned' their portion of the feast to us, thankfully most of it is in the flushing zone. We've put the mumbling wreck in the corner of the kitchen to bed (once the mastermind behind Sportique and DJ Downfall's assault on the lower reaches of the Rough Trade chart) after a mighty struggle and one or more damaged vertebrae. Tim H is still drinking, though all that seems to be left are the accumulated dregs of a thousand drained Stella bottles and whatever's blocking up the sink. Various useless cab firms are called, called again and finally verbally abused. Somehow we're down to single figures, half of them snoring, before daylight. We decide the Xmas lights look so good, we vow never to take them down... The next day we flick through the polaroids, including the monochrome ones from the previous morning's, er, formalities. (Belle & Sebastian in) Manchester... so much to answer for... Mike x. _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Tjonrr at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 14:21:26 1998 From: Tjonrr at xxx.com (Tjonrr at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:21:26 EST Subject: Sinister: some christmas fayre Message-ID: whoever it was complaining that their grandparents will only let them play Christmas songs at this time of year, you should give them a shot of The Man Dont Give A Fuck by the Super Furry Animals. it came out at Christmas and its got sleighbells on it (its a legal requirement that every Christmas record has sleighbells on it), so it officially counts as a christmas record. plus, added bonus: the 50+ expletives will have them gagging for B+S by the end of the track. from tjohn "cos I believe in Santa Claus hes in the kitchen on all fours rudolph patching up his sores from a drug and sherry frenzy" The Bitter Springs- Christmas No1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From billmoss at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 14:38:21 1998 From: billmoss at xxx.com (Bill Moss) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:38:21 EST Subject: Sinister: uk department stores Message-ID: <19981202143821.20771.qmail@hotmail.com> silly query: i didn't see much on this in the archive but what's the significance of dept. stores in b&s songs? i've counted three mentions debenhams, c&a and marks & spencer. are there other mentions of stores - of any kind? aquarian lefty, bill in my head, 'a boy's empty mind' in my cup, shite office coffee http://www.geocitie.com/~billmoss ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frantila at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 16:50:07 1998 From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:50:07 EET Subject: Sinister: the photos? Message-ID: <19981202145008.22127.qmail@hotmail.com> Whats up with the photos some people have on the mailing list thingie? Can i send my "im a nerd, yes, but i have a lot of femalefriends i can talk to"-pic to the mailinglist and then get to see my face staring at me from the screen? Or how does it work? =) sorry, daydreaming, but now i woke up. But really, can anyone answer my qestion? ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wizzcake at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 15:06:44 1998 From: wizzcake at xxx.com (gateau du wizz) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:06:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: festive cheers Message-ID: <19981202150644.12155.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> A Russian couple were walking down the street in Moscow one night, when the man felt a drop hit his nose. "I think it's raining", he said to his wife. "No, that felt more like snow to me", she replied. "No, I'm sure it was just rain, he said". Well, as these things go, they were about to have a major argument about whether it was raining or snowing. Just then they saw a communist party official walking toward them. "Let's not fight about it", the man said, "Let's ask Comrade Rudolph whether it's officially raining or snowing". As the official approached, the man said, "Tell us, Comrade Rudolph, is it officially raining or snowing?" "It's raining, of course", he replied, and walked on. But the woman insisted: "I know that felt like snow!" To which the man quietly replied: "Rudolph the red knows rain dear". _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mneimark at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 15:17:48 1998 From: mneimark at xxx.com (Matthew Neimark) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 07:17:48 PST Subject: Sinister: CS Lewis (theology) and B&S Message-ID: <19981202151749.15921.qmail@hotmail.com> Where is the source that says that Stuart M is into CS Lewis? It would be interesting to know his (religous) perspective. CS Lewis seemed to be the type of author who the reader could totally disagree with but still come off as an excellent work. The Screw Tape Letters might demonstrate his fervent belief in Envangelical Christianity and the role of Satan as temptor. It's a great novel because even if you don't believe in such an entity, you can view it as a paradigm describing one's evil inclinations, and a system of resisting them (i.e. religion). It's interesting to note here a huge difference between Judaism and Christianity. In Judaism, Satan is actually an angel of G-d who performs a specific task (sometimes) of presenting options antithetical to G-d's will (i.e. tempting one's evil inclinations). Also, in judaism man is viewed as inherently good (as opposed to so wretchedly sinful that one is separated from G-d), albeit with free will subject to evil inclinations. Matt ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lapis at xxx.edu Wed Dec 2 15:19:38 1998 From: lapis at xxx.edu (dave cohen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:19:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: 2 quickies [one OFF one ON] Message-ID: <199812021519.KAA03641@pobox.upenn.edu> > > i met and spoke to amelia (heavenly, marine research) last night and remembered > that some said taht it was she that said the 'she and me' thing. > david > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > david kitchen : jeepster recordings ltd have Marine Research put out anything? i thought i had heard about a 7" (called Queen B? MayB...) but not seen/heard it. [sidenote on She and Me....Woody Guthrie used it in a lyric on a song called Way Over Yonder (on the Mermaid Ave LP that Billy Bragg and Wilco did. about a young man attempting to seduce some youngwom and getting cuaght by her mum "she cut a switch from a cherry tree and laid it on to she and me" unless guthrie was talking about Sheila and Amelia as well...] second query: there was a mention of the Tigermilk rerelease being around the corner...how long of a block are we talking about here?? --lapis +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From travelling_light at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 15:32:21 1998 From: travelling_light at xxx.com (Kin Woo) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 07:32:21 PST Subject: Sinister: These are a few of my favourite things... and request for Michael Head album:):) Message-ID: <19981202153222.28752.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello pop pals. Yes It's that time of year again where our beloved music press compile their year's best albums. Glad to see B&S so high on Select's list and I predict a similar pattern for NME, Melody Maker etc. More than makes up for the fact that "IYFS" was cruelly left out of most music press's Critic's Lists last year. It is a most magnificent album. So in the spirit of these times, I have compiled a personal best list, and since Honey has stressed "no music lists", I'm gonna respect his wishes and just tell about why some albums have made it to my best list very, very briefly. Unfortunately, my favourite album of the year has to be Black Box Recorder's "England Made Me". Not since Belly's debut "Star" has there been an album that has reached glorious new heights of perversity. It's very quietness adds to its power. It is very sinister and chilling indeed. And yes Philippe, Sarah Nixey is a most beautiful girl indeed and here voice is spine-tinglingly lovely, even if it is detailing morbid lyrics. It beat out "TBWTAS" mainly cos I'm just a sucker for the darker side of pop. So there is no need to say how wonderful the B&S album is, cos we ALL know it. In third place is Air's "Moon Safari" because it's ground-breaking just like the One Dove, Bjork and DJ Shadow albums are, and also the unspeakably gorgeous Bacharach-ian influenced soundscapes. Fourth is Mercury Rev's "Deserters Songs" which is also another favourite of my fellow listees judging by a lot of posts about it. Fifth would probably be Tori Amos's "From The Choirgirl Hotel" cos she beats Courtney Love hands down. Her album embraces techno very successfully and is a very intoxicating blend of her weird and wonderful voice and strange instrumentation. And there are the songs of the Tori of old which are impossibly sad like "Playboy Mommy" and "Northern Lad". It's a massive improvement from "Boys For Pele". So there you have it. Other albums that have made it for me include Catatonia's "International Velvet", Garbage's "Version 2.0", Spiritualized's "live from Royal Albert Hall", Sparklehorse's "Good Morning Spider", both Elliott Smith albums and the UNKLE album among many others, though I'm not gonna talk about 'em for fear of incurring Honey's wrath:) Hmmm does anyone out there have the Michael Head album, "Introducing The Strands"??? I've been hearing the greatest things about them and was wondering if anyone can tell me more about them. It seems whenever I write, it's to ask whether my fellow listees have heard various albums. Oh well:) Could someone be so kind as to tape a copy of the album for me, if one has it. I have a LOT of rare, live and unreleased B&S stuff to trade (although that is a bit naughty to write on the list). I've got TONS of other stuff, maybe some you are interested in- I've got heaps of Tindersticks (all the albums including "Donkeys", plus a tape of all their early vinyl recordings up to 1995), Belly (again, lots of rare stuff), and gazilions others including Sparklehorse, Air, Andrea Parker, Black Box Recorder, Kristin Hersh, Tanya Donelly, One Dove, Teenage Fanclub, Pulp, Beth Orton, Beck, Lush, Garbage, Throwing Muses, Spiritualized, Palace etc, etc. If you would want to trade, please contact me privately at my uni email addre So yeah please contact me Michael Head fans and hope we can do a lovely trade:) Seeya folks Kin Woo With A Star Upon Your Shoulder Lighting Up The Path As You Walk ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 70204923 at xxx.ca Wed Dec 2 15:49:09 1998 From: 70204923 at xxx.ca (Sebastian) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:49:09 EST Subject: Sinister: my fave of 98 Message-ID: in no particular order: Silver Jews - American Water (mouthful) Elliott Smith - XO Belle and Seb - yeah, you know... Gomez - Bring It On (*waits for assault*) Wilco/Billy Bragg - Mermaid Avenue Biggest Dissapointments: Garbage - Version 2.0 Arnold - Hillside (after all id heard...) '99 Things I Cannot wait for Pavement Belle and Seb. ep Wilco Guided By Voices Things I will buy before the year is out: Mercury Rev - Deserter's Songs Faith No More - Who Cares A Lot? Things i am nervous about: new Radiohead new Auteurs (hey MICH!!!) tah YES! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From AEvans at xxx.uk Wed Dec 2 15:22:11 1998 From: AEvans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:22:11 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Earls Court Message-ID: <25CC9C11BD12D111BA5500805F8B63691C7CBB@COR-EXG1> Slug wrote : * Saturday 28/11/98 14:48 Earls Court Stuart moves in for the kill and starts to sing "There's too many broken hearts in the world, There's too many dreams can be broken in two" Arrrgh! I'm gonna get you Evans! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ouch !! Who'd be an International Pop Subbuteo Manager ? Kevan, it's all very well taking your frustrations out on me....again, but the truth behind your early exit in this years competition lies a lot closer to home. You may laugh, but you can learn a lot from the man who first took Showaddywaddy all the way in 1974. You got your strategy all wrong. We all know Stuart is an emotional character, and liable to get confused in the high stress pressure-pot situation that is extra-time in the third round of the IPS Tourne - we are also well aware of the bands tendency for cover versions. You should have been playing the hard calculated bitch that is Isobel Campbell on "Is It Wicked Not to Care?". You could have saved Struan for the next round. I stand by my client Jason Donovan as a totally adequate replacement for the injured Stuart, and offer the services of Alison Moyet as a sub for Sarah Martin for the NYC competition, should you be reinstated. Mr Donovan has also asked me to mention the fact that he hasn't yet been properly remunerated for his services and is not satisifed with his replacement slacks. Better luck next year. Adrian.x.x.x. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Tjonrr at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 16:39:10 1998 From: Tjonrr at xxx.com (Tjonrr at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:39:10 EST Subject: Sinister: albums of the year Message-ID: <2400923f.36656d2e@aol.com> 1. Belle And Sebastian 2. Hefner 3. The Delgados 4. Arab Strap plenty of other great stuff this year but these ones mattered a lot. still hoping for a late contender in the new Bitter Springs album, but havent heard it yet. The Michael Head/Strands LP is very folky in a medeivael sort of way, with very olde world lyrics. takes a bit of getting used to but is quite special anyway. not as good as some of his older stuff, according to certain people who are just trying to show they know more than me. which they do of course, as always. heard TIJAMRS on John Peel last night, first impressions is that it is much more downbeat and maudlin than the Radcliffe session version, which i thought was quite triumphant sounding in a LLPJ sort of way, if that makes sense. still, nice to see another NME single of the week. from tjohn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From e.brown at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 15:43:02 1998 From: e.brown at xxx.com (Emanuel Brown) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:43:02 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Re: Fuck Message-ID: Congrats Philippe! I first saw Fuck about four years ago when I was living in Chapel Hill, NC. I was one of like ten people there to see them - most of the other folks were my friends and housemates. They had a beautiful understated power, a nice mix of country heartbreak and indierock accents. Now they have a guy (Brain Hageman) from one of my all time fave bands, Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, so look out. The album I was referring to Pardon My French, is really good. I picked up their latest thing, Conduct, and� well, I'm not that impressed. Maybe a few more listens will help. How was Catpower? I saw her years ago, also in Chapel Hill, I believe - that li'l southern bastion of all things hip - and enjoyed it for the most part. Putting her and Fuck together was a smart tour move. Matador records rocks the best! emanuel Free, fast e-mail accessible anytime, anywhere http://www.imaginemail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 70204923 at xxx.ca Wed Dec 2 17:01:44 1998 From: 70204923 at xxx.ca (Sebastian) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:01:44 EST Subject: Sinister: PARDON MY FRENCH, FUCK Message-ID: i scored that CD after hearing, from somewhere, Pavement comparisons...needless to say, I was quite dissapointed... My fault, of course, thinking anything could resemble MENT...pity me.. YET...the new Silver Jews somehow stacks up, when Krist Novoselic referred to his drunken comments in Italy (one of Nirvana's fianl shows) coming from a book called "How To BE Witty At Parties" i think it was American Water he was foreshadowingly (???) referrinng to...the word-play here is fascinating... ...but then again, St. Malkmus had a hand in it... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cleonard at xxx.COM Wed Dec 2 17:04:44 1998 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:04:44 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Panto time Message-ID: WOTCHA! What, with Christmas looming and Santa and his wee helpers in full preperation mode, I thought it would be nice if all 819 of us went to a pantomime together. But that's not really a viable option is it though? I mean some of us live in Thailand for goodness sake. So instead, I have written a little pantomime that we can all enjoy together in our collective brain of love. Merry Christmas Everybody, Christopher xxx PANTO ======= CHARACTERS STRUAN MURDOCH : Dorothy ISOBEL : Toto STEPHEN PASTEL : Wicked Witch BRAD : Cowardly Lion SCENE 1: A dreary farmyard in Glasgow. A young girl playing with her little panto dog STRUAN: Ow Toto, you'we so siwwy. I wove you more than anything in the whole wide world. You'we the only one who weally understands me. Toto jumps up and licks Dorothy's face. Dorothy licks back. Toto licks. Dorothy licks it some more. So does Toto. ISOBEL: Woof. STRUAN: Hoho, you're wovely Toto. I wish we could go away somwhere else, where we would belong. Somewhere ovaw the wainbow! ISOBEL: Woof. STRUAN: Let's wun away, Toto The two tan it off the stage. Stage lights dim. SCENE 2: Out in the country in the middle of nowhere. A derilect AMK van lies rusty and minging. Wind effects signify that it is very very windy indeed. STRUAN: OOOOO! A twister!!! Oh no! Come Toto, let us hide in this disused wed AMK van. ISOBEL: Woof. The two hide in the disused red AMK van. A large cardboard box hits Struan on the head, knocking him out cold. Lights dim. Various windy effects signify the flight of the red AMK van over the rainbow. SCENE 3: Spotlight on Dorothy, center stage STRUAN: Oh Toto, what happened? I feel a wittle quesy. Are you ok my wittle doggie willy wawmar? ISOBEL: Woof. STRUAN: Oh Toto, Something gives me the feeling we're not in Glasgow anymore. Ooooooo! The two get out the van. Lights up. Ooo colourful now we're in Munchkinland. There is a couple of green shoes sticking out under the van. A red puff of smoke appears! POOF!! The wicked witch appears from behind the smoke STEPHEN PASTEL: YA BASTARD! Y'eve had ma sister ya wee jobbie. I'll fucking smash you ma pretty, and your wee dog too! STRUAN: Oooo! The wicked witch disappears in another poof of smoke. STRUAN: Ooo Toto, we'we weally in big twouble now! We've killed a witch and we've annoyed another one. I want to go home and have a wovely cup of tea. A lion jumps out from behind the van. BRAD: RARR MUTHAFUCKA! I KICK YOUR ASS! SACK OF DICK! Straun and Isobel cower BRAD: SHEEIT YOU MUMMA SO FAT! I KICK YOUR ASS! SACK OF DICK! STRUAN: eh,,,eh, sowwy mr lion, i don't think we've met properly BRAD: AN WE AINT GONNA EITHER I'M GONNA EAT YOU UP MUTHAFUCKA DAMN CRAZY FOOL. ISOBEL: Woof. Toto bites the lions tail. BRAD: SHEEEIT, WHATCHA GO AN DO THAT FOR? JESUS H THAT HURT. The lion starts to cry. STRUAN: Aw don't cry lion. You'we nothing but a big coward. You shouldn't buwwy people smaller than you. BRAD: Damn right. I'm sorry dude. I'm just a big coward. The lion starts to cry. Dorothy and Toto give him a cuddle. STRUAN: Let's go home everybody. The wicked witch appears again in a big poof of smoke. STEPHEN PASTEL: And how are you going to manage that ya wee prick. Eh? I'm gonna kill you. The lion pounces and rips her head off, then claws at her chest till her insides are all over the stage. Then he smears the blood all over his torso whilst screaming "HIMLER". STRUAN: Very well done lion. Look, that was weally weally bwave of you. Your not a coward anymore! BRAD: Hey man, neither I am. I'm all better thanks to you Dorothy, and little Toto. Cheers man, I mean it. STRAUN: You'we vewy vewy welcome my bwave fweind. But how will me and Toto get home? The lion pounces and scoffs the pair of them. BRAD: Sack of dick. Curtains down. WAH HAH HAH (like the devil) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From laurel.girvan at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 17:27:08 1998 From: laurel.girvan at xxx.com (laurel.girvan at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:27:08 -0500 Subject: Sinister: fabbo kid's lit for adults Message-ID: i've been keeping mum about children's books for fear of being hastily labled a cardigan-wearing-page-protecting-twee fanatic, but with all this c.s lewis, susan cooper and whatnot going around, i'm bursting like a frosted persimmon. for the hapless soul who asked if there was anything good for children still being published, OF COURSE THERE IS! for a list of suggestions the length of _mason & dixon_, mail me privately. for those dabbling in lewis, there was that film about his marriage late in life to a young american woman. it's very good but bring your tissues. it's based on his book _surprised by joy_. oh, and the film is called SHADOWLANDS. also, don't be afraid of the christian imagery in the narnia stuff. it IS possible to read them and not be horribly corrupted by the abhorrent institution known as the Church. besides, they're jewels of tale-spinning. i cannot recommend susan cooper's _dark is rising_ series highly enough. JJ was right -- start with _over sea, under stone_ and carry on from there. funnily enough, lewis, tolkein, and possibly george macdonald (another tops kiddies author -- try _the princess and the goblins_) were involved with a group of writers and scholars who called themselves "the inklings" and who met at the eagle and child pub in...umm oxford, i think. it's supposed to have a crazy classical mural on one wall, depicting zeus as an eagle carrying off a young boy for his own polytheistic purposes. or maybe just to take him to the movies and sit in the back. watch while i take a page from fluffy's book: I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!! --laurel +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shop at xxx.uk Wed Dec 2 17:28:22 1998 From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 17:28:22 +0000 Subject: Sinister: 2 quickies [one OFF one ON] References: <199812021519.KAA03641@pobox.upenn.edu> Message-ID: <366578B6.885A8D59@jeepster.co.uk> dave cohen wrote: > > i met and spoke to amelia (heavenly, marine research) last night and remembered > > that some said taht it was she that said the 'she and me' thing. > have Marine Research put out anything? i thought i had heard > about a 7" (called Queen B? MayB...) but not seen/heard it. > [sidenote on She and Me....Woody Guthrie used it in a lyric > on a song called Way Over Yonder (on the Mermaid Ave LP > that Billy Bragg and Wilco did. about a young man attempting > to seduce some youngwom and getting cuaght by her mum > "she cut a switch from a cherry tree and laid it on to she and me" marine research have a 7" available from 'where it's at is where you are' (wiaiwya), the single is 'queen b' backed with 'y.y.u.b.'! you can buy it direct from the label by sending payment (UK£ 2.50 for uk, UK£ 3.00 for europe and UK£ 3.50 for the rest of the world) to wiaiwya, 1 bankside, 10 brock lane, maidenhead, berkshire SL6 1LP, UK. i don't know who to make cheques out to, but for around UK£ 3 you could probably risk writing the cheque out and leaving the payee bit blank, it'll probably get there, and if it doesn't, well you don't lose that much! apprently they have a web site too at http://listen.to/marineresearch/ and you can mail them at marineresearch at queenb.globalnet.co.uk and one last thing, amelia has remembered roughly how to do the 'she and me' thing; "Did Sarah have dinner with Jeffrey that night, or was it she and me?" "I think you need to set up the sentence with a clear subject and object and then substitute in the she and me for these in a second clause." > unless guthrie was talking about Sheila and Amelia as well...] > > second query: there was a mention of the Tigermilk rerelease > being around the corner...how long of a block are we talking > about here?? just round to the corner shop and back :) about march/april/may are the dates currently being bandied about, it's happening, it just needs the details worked out cheers david ----------------------------------------------------------------------- david kitchen : jeepster recordings ltd http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/salako/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/snowpatrol/ mailto:shop at jeepster.co.uk jeepster recordings ltd, 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london w10 5bn to subscribe to the news mailing list mail majordomo at jeepster.co.uk with the words 'subscribe news' in the body of the message there is no need to subscribe if you are on the 'sinister' list +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From e.brown at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 17:08:32 1998 From: e.brown at xxx.com (Emanuel Brown) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:08:32 -0700 Subject: Sinister: PARDON MY FRENCH, FUCK Message-ID: No, no, no. Pavement? They're in a sloppy room all their own. Fuck's really early stuff was cool 'cause it was real simple and raw. Plus some of the cds came in old reel-to-reel boxes and included thins like Smarties and li'l coloring books. I still have yet to listen to Silver Jews. Any recommendations? emanuel Free, fast e-mail accessible anytime, anywhere http://www.imaginemail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From casio at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 18:13:14 1998 From: casio at xxx.com (Tony Zito) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 13:13:14 -0500 Subject: Sinister: more grammar, with apologies In-Reply-To: <366578B6.885A8D59@jeepster.co.uk> References: <199812021519.KAA03641@pobox.upenn.edu> Message-ID: <199812021811.NAA32065@bottlerocket.com> >and one last thing, amelia has remembered roughly how to do the 'she and me' >thing; >"Did Sarah have dinner with Jeffrey that night, or was it she and me?" > >"I think you need to set up the sentence with a clear subject and object and >then substitute in the she and me for these in a second clause." Nope, this doesn't work; it should be "...or was it she and I?". The trick here is to reverse the order of the fragments, making it "It was she and I," which is correct. (yes, the rastafarians got it on the button; it's "I am I," not "I am me".) yr personal grammatrix, t. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 70204923 at xxx.ca Wed Dec 2 18:26:07 1998 From: 70204923 at xxx.ca (Sebastian) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:26:07 EST Subject: Sinister: the JEWS (no BS) Message-ID: here's a silver jews review from my college paper... did your "in a sloppy category of their own?" mean you liked pavement, or not? if ya do: (american water is a masterpiece - no joke, far far better than their other efforts.) curious... “In 1984 I was hospitalized for approaching perfection,” begins American Water, the third album from St. MalkmusÂ’s ‘otherÂ’ band. Whether heÂ’s whimsically ranting about tan lines on ring fingers, about how he is the joke his mother played on the world, or the speed of an IV drip, BermanÂ’s lyrics are down right fascinating. “Windex tears flow down the robotÂ’s face, heÂ’d never felt a motherÂ’s embrace,” says Berman. “My momma named me after a king, IÂ’m gonna bury my name in you.” Much like MalkmusÂ’s Pavement, its hard to quite pinpoint what exactly the Jews are going on about, and how much of it they exactly mean. With the follow-up to PavementÂ’s acclaimed Brighten the Corners scheduled for release no earlier than March 1999, American Water is a splendid fill-in. Initial listens do little to suggest that American Water is anything beyond the uneven, spoken-word offerings of Starlite Walker. But donÂ’t be fooled by the monotonous nature of BermanÂ’s voice,this album is laced with subtleties. For the most part, the Jews again stick to their lo-fi, slack-rock credo, though Malkmus manages to wail on the instrumental Night Society and on the quirky, up-and-down Blue Arrangements. Honk If Your Lonely is a western-ish cheese-hoot. As if its title wasnt strange enough, Like like the the the Death asks: “Do you believe in MGM endings?” and rambles about air crickets, dead hookers, grass rabbits, and killing animals. “I see you swimming with the country club women in the Greenwood southside society pool,” goes Blue Arrangements. “I love your amethyst eyes, and your protestant thighs. “YouÂ’re a shimmering socialite jewel.” Simple, sometimes snail-paced arrangements, make American Water, with its obtuse and enchanting word-play and references to just about everything peculiar, the type of album you listen to on your own. Driving down a long stretch of highway, perhaps. With the Silver Jews, much like their brothers Pavement, random rules. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From graeme at xxx.uk Wed Dec 2 18:24:11 1998 From: graeme at xxx.uk (Graeme Crosbie) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:24:11 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Sessions + Tigermilk Message-ID: <000701be1e20$f8e693c0$bf8fa6c3@graeme> I have copies of Tigermilk and the first two Radcliffe sessions, and the Looper single, but am desperate to get the other sessions. Please e-mail me if you could help me, or are willing to exchange tapes etc. Visit my website at www.cheeso.force9.co.uk graeme at cheeso.force9.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anything along the lines of Belle and Sebastian would be nice, Pulp might be a bit risque for my grandmother. Thanks! http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rewb2 at xxx.uk Wed Dec 2 19:24:08 1998 From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (rob b) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:24:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: uk department stores In-Reply-To: <19981202143821.20771.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Bill Moss wrote: > > silly query: > > i didn't see much on this in the archive but what's the significance of > dept. stores in b&s songs? i've counted three mentions debenhams, c&a > and marks & spencer. > > are there other mentions of stores - of any kind? i've noticed this too; there's also been littlewoods (in pocketbook angel) and Rediffusion, in 'if you're feeling sinister' (still my #1 b&s track, i think!) can't think of any more. rob p.s. that story about mishearing 'fox in the snow' reminds me last summer when i was travelling with friends and a guitar in budapest, and i played that song, and one of them thought it was _very_ rude. tut tut. but then again, my scottish accent is crap, even in a singing voice - when i try and sing a century of 'fakers' it sounds more like 'vicars' p.p.s. don't join the indie-pop list - it's gone mad just recently, spewing out messages right left and centre ------------------------------------------------------------------------- + / \ St Theresa's calling her | O | The church up on the hill _______| _ | Is looking lovely / / /\ | __| \/. But it doesn't interest /_/\_//_/||##| ;\|/' The only thing she wants to know __|_||_|||_||##|_____|_ Is how and why and when and where to go If you're feeling sinister... Belle and Sebastian ------------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Wed Dec 2 21:31:44 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:31:44 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Fw: now i know how the Amish feel Message-ID: <002b01be1e3b$29db6360$3011020a@rebelstrange> -----Original Message----- From: RebelStrange To: sinister at majordomo.net" Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 1:30 PM Subject: now i know how the Amish feel >YO >could someone please explain to me the pop subbutteo? i findit extremely >amusing, but i'm not sure why. >my isobel page had 46 hits as of last nite when i was tromping about, who >could those cheeky gits be?/ >hmm...... >now then, i must confess something terrible. last night as i was watching >yet another tape of mystery science theater, it came to the end and >surprise, there was Is It Wicked nOt to Care that i had taped onto the end >of it, so i settled in to enjoy the sweetness and innocence. OH no!! it >just couldnt' be so idyllic.. know the part where isobel kneels to drop >the bottle into the stream, well inexplicably i was a little bit too excited >than is legal, at the sight of her knees. the crook where the calf meets the >uh, lower thigh. (why is the thigh a naughty bit??) (where the amish >thing comes in) i must be wound as tight as a winch on one of those things >that pull things, you know what im talking about, the big crane deals?? >ooh no!! horrors at 4 AM, when i'm struggling to go to sleep, i felt all >nice and tired, but i had a thought and i was tossing and turning for at >least an hour i'm sure, oh i couldnot sleep for the life of me, this >thought had me just to my wit's end! and i will not recount it here because >it would be improper, and i would make a fool of myself, although compared >to the mincingupdeadthingsandshovingtheminplaces, it was practically >Wholesome Family Fun, i do believe that Amerika in general would bemore >welcome to such defilement and pain, than the sight of 2 girls kissing, that >is the sad state that we are in these days if >anyone wants to know what the thing was you can send me a nice uh, lemon >meringue and maybe i'll tell you if you're sweet enough. but that won't >work either, cos i know the only ones who will want to know are pervy boys >and i've had it with you lot! no sugar for you today, mister!! Ah. do i >dishonor my popstar when i withdraw my restraint?? apologize is all i can >do. so it goes. > >if you want to read some yummy feminist wacko lit, pick up Intercourse by >andrea dworkin at yr local friendly library. i'm sure that Mrs. Sneed the >head librarian will smack you for being naughty if you ask for it, but take >my word, go talk to miss Elkley, she's the 20-ish Spinster with the >cautiously cropped hair, grey stockings and house full of cats, who's always >off to the side one way or another, give her a saucy wink and i'm certain >she'll set you up with the proper byways, i know. ooh i'm going to go >write a song about miss elkley and her love/hate affair with her Homophobic >redneck clientele. then i can be just like wee stu. > >someone mentioned TFUL 282. YAARRGH!!!!! yeah i love them suckas! >"VERTICAL 2X4's FLY BY MY HEAD SHATTER INTO WALLS!!!!" rawk indie kid >rawk!!!!!! > >the someone who said the line from wicked was embarrassing to them, i guess >a lot of them like the song, i like it, i dont' finnd the line bad in terms >ofthe rest of the song, were it poetry(literary) i would quibble, but in >songs you allow for things like that, or i do, because i'm a big cheesehead >and i like songs with pretty girl singing and nice twee slacker >sensibilities and ppleasant violin lines. i think the song has a good clear >concept going and the style suits it's subject and emotion, and i feel the >emotion all too well myself. Good work good work. but dont' listen to me, >i've been known to enjoy many a good Roxette tune. >lesley Jo > >"In aheart full of dust, lives a creature called Lust, it surprises and >scares like me, like me............." >BJORK, "Isobel" (natch!!!) > >"thoughts of sex distracted me and now i'll have to immolate myself to >subdue the buzzing in my head" > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nickdastoor at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 19:59:40 1998 From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:59:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Never had a nickname (except Joey Deacon and I didn't like it) Message-ID: <19981202195940.22067.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> 'Fisky' wrote: >Just as the list was threatening to get dull, it's good to see you all >addressing the big issues with such gusto (sex, religion, lame 80s >movies). I'm especially pleased that my CS Lewis post provoked such >reaction. Perhaps one day I shall be a man of influence on this list, >like those they call the 'Duke', 'Candarel', 'Honey' or, indeed, >'Trousers'. Does influence come with having a rubbish nicknames? Heaven knows where we might be today if only Hitler had decided to rechristen himself 'poppet' or something. Actually, I'm being unfair - Tag and Trousers have problems getting their mouths around their real names; the Duke really can trace a direct bloodline back to the original conquest of Harringay (c.1122) and like the Prince of Wales, doesn't have to live in his ancestral seat anymore if he finds uncomfortable; FluffyCandarel 'northern' for Sarah; and Honey is of course beyond reproach. Anyway - I don't like all this A-list listee business. It puts people off and implies that Tag is worth reading. Which he is, but only when he sheds the juvenile foppish style he adopts on Sinister and gets down to serious ROCK journalism in the pages of 'Uncut' magazine each month. Subscribe today - it's a hoot. I do like the idea of an A-team listee business though. Anyone game? During some squabble a few weeks ago ,someone said a while ago that the only people who can get away with saying anything on this list are the 'smooth talking English' types. I liked this idea and I would like whoever it was to publish a list of their top smooth English list members. Perhaps the winner could get to be Face in the new A-team. New competition - I will give a tape of the Billy Ocean 'Get out of my dreams get into my car' 12 minute megamix (on cassingle) to the most entertaining Boolean search expression you have tried on the new Sinister archive. I must say I find all those commas and semicolons a bit confusing, being a good old-fashioned AND OR NOT boy myself. Not sure if it allows parentheses either, but they are OK in my game. Actually, I haven't got that Billy Ocean megamix at all, but it does exist - a flatmate of mine once owned it and he's now TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN. Even if you don't have children, he's teaching them in some insidious way. Who on the list has got children apart from that Martin Connelly? Nicholas xxxx P.S. Like WiseHoney says lots of times, please let's not have a barrage of posts just listing your fave records. Weave them magically into other posts if you need to.... Hope I'm not speaking out of turn. Email me privately if you think I am. _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 21:08:30 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:08:30 +0000 Subject: Sinister: More Susan Cooper & CS Lewis Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981202210830.007998e0@mail.u-net.com> Have a look at this: http://www.veranda.com.ph/vpuyat/books/dark.html JJ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Wed Dec 2 21:09:18 1998 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:09:18 -0000 Subject: Sinister: rock and roll courses through me like a...a coursing thingy Message-ID: <011f01be1e38$074ad860$8c3ba8c2@n2f9x2> ah hem i was getting too distracted at work today, i kept thinking about someone's post, but the thing was i couldn't remember who had written it, or what the main content was. all i recalled was an image of struan with hands on hips. which made me keep grinning. which wasn't good for the santa biscuits that i was piping eyes onto. there's some weird looking santas out there now. i was on a coach into london thinking something about the 'wreakage of humanity' whilst going down oxford street. it's funny, i never realise that i am unwell until i've got better. does anyone have any suggestions, as to how to fit the super furry's b sides album into the shelves...? select are being very nice about B&S in this issue, aren't they? ho hum. i ended up staring at the adfert in the back whilst i waited for the train, strangely mesmerised...or maybe i was just tired, and pissed off that i'd missed the earlier train, and needed some comfort. i'll stop before i become totally irrelevent. alix in my cd player: a poodle. no, hold on, that's the microwave. ~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~'~ "So don't approach me if you've no more to say than what you've been doing, or how much you paid for the beer in your hand. I really don't care and I might have to kill you, which wouldn't be fair. On me" - Prolapse 'Killing The Bland' +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From reid.dossinger at xxx.com Wed Dec 2 20:36:21 1998 From: reid.dossinger at xxx.com (Reid Dossinger) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:36:21 -0400 Subject: Sinister: A heaping helping of the usual Message-ID: <3665A4C3.95B2D4AF@bigfoot.com> Is it just me, or is the list crush website ripe for abuse? No offense to David or Stu, 'cause the site looks great, and that's a whole lotta work for our little pleasure, and don't think that I don't conjure up every little ounce of appreciation for that site on an hourly basis. But is there anything that stops people from getting their friends to vote a billion times? It's cynicism I guess. I'm just wondering how certain people got ANY crush votes...that's right, I don't love my Sinister cohorts equally. I play favorites. I'm not proud of it, but that's the way it is. BUT...I got nothin' but love for the two people who saved all their list crush kisses for This Guy. I've taken far too long to thank the mysterious two. You're very nice, but trust me: I'm a bastard in real life. Speaking of bastards (meant in the nicest way possible), I had no clue that good ol' loveable Brad was a 411 operator. Aren't you in Atlanta, Brad? Next time I'm down there, I'll call 411 and ask for you. Is there a nickname I should use? Steel? Shaft? Steel Shaft? Oh, a quick note to Heather, Ginger and all other Chapel Hill/Triangle/anyone who's willing to drive Sinister members: I talked to Brian at Two Way Pull records, and he's apparently getting a few copies of the new EP in. From what I understood, he expected them in about a week after the release date (unless I misunderstood and he'll actually have them on Mon!), but if you think you might want one, give him a call and he might be able to get a few more. If that fails, and you don't feel like mail ordering, Schoolkids was good about getting in the other EP's, although I don't know how long it would take them to get it in stock. No wonder I've written in so rarely lately: I don't really have much to say. One question, though, and I'm fully aware that it'll make me look like an idiot: What the hell is all this subbuteo (?) tomfoolery? Like everything else on this list, I'll just assume it's a joke until I get a full explanation. It's gotta be fate that's doing it, Reid +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kellym at xxx.com> Wed Dec 2 21:47:29 1998 From: kellym at xxx.com> (kellym at xxx.com>) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 13:47:29 -0800 Subject: Sinister: everyone avoids me like a cyclone ranger Message-ID: <199812022150.NAA12779@macbeth.ienet.com> oh oh oh (or is it ho ho ho?). we have pop competitions and christmas jokes and stories of isobel as a dog. how exciting. is it possible to live vicariously through things that don't really exist? i think it as and, as such, i shall. earlier today while enjoying my fourteenth minty cigarette i realized that if a certain sinister listee who works down the way from me were to get on the roof of her building she could wave to me and do little dances while i smoke my cigarettes. how nice would that be? we could even get some of those little short-distance walkie-talkies and hold conversations. oh oh oh. let me think here, i've kept the list up to date with my lunches, an inventory of my desk as well as my addictions to various snack products. i'm completely out of uninteresting things to tell you people about. completely. i'm either going to have to start making things up or i'm going to have to take a creative writing class to present myself in a more inspiring manner. yeah. i need to think on that. well, i've got my passport and my plane tickets to london but i still haven't figured out where i will stay or what i will do while i'm there. flying by the seat of my pants? no, just too lathargic to actually plan these things out. i'm sure i'll find someplace to stay and something to occupy my time. that's the way these things go, isn't it? ok, now i must depart for i have the urge, once again, to... um, i don't know. just an urge maybe. -kelly ryan mcguire ingrediants: water, sucrose syrup, glucose-fructose syrup, citric acid, natural flavors, salt, sodium citrate, monopotassium phosphate, ester gum +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fruite at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 00:08:22 1998 From: fruite at xxx.com (Jamie McCordale) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:08:22 PST Subject: Sinister: On the CS Lewis tip Message-ID: <19981203000822.14441.qmail@hotmail.com> >Sadly, I never got to read the books as a child, and I think >I've missed my window. >I did like that movie, though. aaron, Shadowlands is fantastic yes!!! so so so sad! i don't think that you've missed your window though! i was just planning on reading the narnia chronicles again ( i think i go back to them about every 6 years or so... but they stick in your mind for sure!) have you ever read the children's book the snow queen by hans christian anderson? it was mentioned on the list before and i think it is along those story lines but even more super than you could have possibly imagined... so, i suggest you say boo! to missing your window and read! read! read!-on friend! narnia is a place you will never ever want to leave. trust me on that. J*A*M*I*E* ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 95djb2 at xxx.uk Thu Dec 3 00:26:04 1998 From: 95djb2 at xxx.uk (Dom) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:26:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: A heaping helping of the usual In-Reply-To: <3665A4C3.95B2D4AF@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Reid Dossinger wrote: > > Is it just me, or is the list crush website ripe for abuse? > Is there anything that stops people from getting their friends to > vote a billion times? You're right, I just voted for Fluffy twice, so to stop me being damned to hell I'm coming clean - David / Big Stu, can you take _one_ of them off please? :) D'oh! Such lack of subtlety is surely not part of the whole list crush scene, but I'm new to this...as long as I don't have to square up to Gary in a Liverpool car park I don't mind! I'm withdrawing my offer of Xmas lights in a petulant response to the fact that no-one's put my name on the list crush site...maybe I should resort to threats: I know where you live, Big Stu, the address is in Queen's porter's lodge. And I could be there with more musical Xmas trees in ten minutes. Be afraid. Right I'm off to bed Dom +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gary at xxx.uk Thu Dec 3 00:57:31 1998 From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:57:31 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Boogie Boogie Boogie Message-ID: <000201be1e57$e7ee6160$c60f93c3@whelan> Hi all... Bit of a short one this as I have to exit the house and drive up to Preston in the next five minutes. I too have read the Narnia Chronicles and dam fine they were. The episode of the Young Ones you've been mentioning was "Flood" and may I be so bold as to suggest a group hug. It's been a bit sad (unhappy sad) in places of the last few days, what with tales of break ups and Martin Horsfields gig going experiences and I thought a list hug might help. Oh well that's all from me Gary P.S. Can I point out that Clinton Hill is a psychotic central defender for the mighty Tranmere Rovers. I must tell him he shares his name with a place in Brooklyn. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ChanA at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 01:42:35 1998 From: ChanA at xxx.com (Arthur Chan) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:42:35 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Thank you David Kitchen Message-ID: <27458275F06ED211910F00A0C9E95BF00AB8E0@miller.suissamiller.com> I use to be achan at saatchila.com but I have recently moved to a different company. But anyway, don't know if you are on this list or the regular list but I just got my Study at Stow shirt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! B&S fashion wear is the best! Thanks for getting that to me. By the way, what's the differerence between the digest list and the regular list? Anyone? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From IndiaRubb at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 06:07:53 1998 From: IndiaRubb at xxx.com (IndiaRubb at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:07:53 EST Subject: Sinister: the Joos (no BS) Message-ID: <5fde04ad.36662ab9@aol.com> << (american water is a masterpiece - no joke, far far better than their other efforts.) >> I wouldn't say far better than the last two albums, but probably better, yes. I'd probably recommend American Water anyways, though either Starlite Walker or Natural Bridge are quite a good introduction to the band, as well. Oh, and you might want to mention to the writer in your college newspaper that Pavement, if anything, is really the "other band," in a sense...D.C., SM and Bob N started the Joos while still at UVA, according to Berman, I believe, so I guess it's a precursor to Pavement. But you probably knew that already. gwt +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 07:19:58 1998 From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 02:19:58 EST Subject: Sinister: C.S. Lewis/Aslan/Velvet Goldmine Message-ID: <1600bb4f.36663b9e@aol.com> So Stuart M. is a Lewis fan, huh? Cool. So am I. Even though these are children books somewhat, I thoroughly rank Lewis' Narnia series along with Tolkien, Lord Dunsany, and Mervyn Peake and some of my fave fantasy fiction. In our own musical group The Now, we even named our imaginary percussionist Aslan after a Narnia character for a T.Rex cover we did on the cd compilation "Resurrection Of The Warlock- a tribute to Marc Bolan & T.Rex" in '95. Relating Marc to B&S since they are side by side on the Acid House sdtrk, I caught the Velvet Goldmine flick finally (Miss Heather Propes). Nice Roxy covers. Radiohead's Yorke was tailormade to sing those songs. Great soundtrack but the movie was kinda disappointing. David/Angie Bowie story told with all the mythic lies and some Cobain/Lou Reed/Iggy Pop/Bolanisms/Jagger thrown into the mix. I wish they could have done it a little better as far as character development. When does the Acid House celluloid open? January? Pete +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fjf at xxx.edu Thu Dec 3 07:31:21 1998 From: fjf at xxx.edu (Joe Frese) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 02:31:21 -0500 Subject: Sinister: tapes and stuff Message-ID: <36663E49.26BCF584@po.cwru.edu> hi all, i'm usually more of an observer than a contributer when it comes to this list, but i've been listening to a bunch of my belle and sebastian tapes and now i'm dying to complete my collection. anybody want to trade? i've got tigermilk, both radcliffe sessions, the lamaq session, an audience recording of the 7/9/98 shepard's bush gig, demos of "london has let me down again" and "pocketbook angel", and radio broadcasts of "loneliness of a middle distance runner," and "wrong love" (or is it girl now?) also, i've been thinking of putting together a webpage devoted to unofficial belle and sebastian recordings ("bootlegs," if you prefer that term) . . . a sort of guide to what's available and a place for people to trade. would anybody be interested in something like that? yours truly, icy bro +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 09:01:50 1998 From: Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com (Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:01:50 EST Subject: Sinister: marine research/kitty sadness Message-ID: In a message dated 98-12-02 13:05:41 EST, you write: << marine research have a 7" available from 'where it's at is where you are' (wiaiwya), the single is 'queen b' backed with 'y.y.u.b.'! you can buy it direct from the label by sending payment (UK� 2.50 for uk, UK� 3.00 for europe and UK� 3.50 for the rest of the world) to wiaiwya, 1 bankside, 10 brock lane, maidenhead, berkshire SL6 1LP, UK. >> in the states you can get the single soon from roundabout mailorder. i don't have the info handy, but you can e-mail me if you want it and i'll get it to you. i have some sad news. i had to put my sweet cat, elvis, to sleep last night. he was healthy until yesterday. he had a heart complication and was in a lot of pain and had lost all feeling and circulation in his back legs. he wasn't even 5 years old. it's been really hard on me and my other cat, treble. i'm still expecting to see him. treble's curled up in elvis' chair, looking quite sad and lonely. i can't quite get used to the reality that he's gone. i felt like i had to share that with all of you for some reason. i miss him so much. i've gotten my dyke-core loving girlfriend into b&s. she went out and bought 'lazy line painter jane' all on her own. good girlfriend. i can't decide whether to give my crush vote to the lovely beth arzy, who has received all my crush votes for the past 3 years, or if lesley jo, whose posts i save because they make me smile every time, has become deserving enough to take it away. i guess that's all for now. *alyssa marie* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Thu Dec 3 09:45:41 1998 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:45:41 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: uk department stores In-Reply-To: References: <19981202143821.20771.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > > > > silly query: > > > > i didn't see much on this in the archive but what's the significance of > > dept. stores in b&s songs? i've counted three mentions debenhams, c&a > > and marks & spencer. > > > > are there other mentions of stores - of any kind? > > i've noticed this too; > there's also been littlewoods (in pocketbook angel) and Rediffusion, in > 'if you're feeling sinister' (still my #1 b&s track, i think!) > can't think of any more. > There's Boots (in Lazy Line Painter Jane) and Safeway (in It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career), which makes 7. The boy Murdoch must have a supermarket obsession. Robin In my advent calender: lots of chocolate! Mmmm! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 9806421C at xxx.uk Thu Dec 3 10:51:03 1998 From: 9806421C at xxx.uk (Esteban) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:51:03 +0000 Subject: Sinister: murdoch goes punk? Message-ID: <162E8174BEC@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> hullo...aah wuz walking along byres road yesterday but who said i see walk past me but stuart murdoch with bright reddy orange hair...whats all that about then? love Esteban +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From snorman at xxx.uk Thu Dec 3 10:47:51 1998 From: snorman at xxx.uk (Sam Norman) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:47:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: final calling Message-ID: I know that there is Davids lovely message board (my message is up there) but for any sinister feeling people in the Dublin area, we are meeting up in in the Long Hall on George's Street South tonight at around 7.30pm to 8.00pm. I arrived in Dublin yesterday by the way and so far have had no sleep in the last 28hrs. I will be wearing my Study at Stow t-shirt tonight for easy recognition. see you tonight sam +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Michael.Barrett at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 02:12:51 1998 From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.com (Michael Barrett) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:12:51 +0900 Subject: Sinister: The only ryhme that bites Message-ID: <020c01be1e62$6fbbf5d0$baa3002b@qasx6.sec.cpg.sony.co.jp> >* Saturday 28/11/98 14:48 Earls Court >Stuart moves in for the kill and starts to sing "There's too many broken >hearts in the world, There's too many dreams can be broken in two" Arrrgh! >I'm gonna get you Evans! I realise hindsight is a great thing, but I'm sure this could have been saved had Stuart ripped off those silver pants, Isobelle pulled on a wig and, after giving each other one of those looks they'd been practising at the concerts, broke into "Especially for you". There isn't a heart that isn't melted by the tender beauty of that song. Still, they're a young team and this can only be good experience for them. Kiddie books: I can recommend Swallows and Amazons. I read it again just last year and its pretty damn good. Don't think there's any religious stuff. There is a hell of a lot of smut though (I don't remember the orgy bit from the first time round). >Tomorrow I must be at a party dressed as a >literary character and I have minimal costume >ingredients. Who can I be? Lady Godiva? >the sight of 2 girls kissing Mmmmmm... >when you get up close to it snow is rarely floaty >or cherry-blossom like at all, but dirty and wet It's only street snow that is wet and dirty. Alpine snow would be great. Just picture it, rushing out of a log cabin, or perhaps even one of those outside hot-tub things, into a big pile of snow and getting sinister (leaving the log cabin door open, of course, so you can still hear Rossini...). >and - shock horror - pretty damn cold too. You could always keep your socks on. R. Deckard +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 11:37:44 1998 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:37:44 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Unloveable Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2234A1F8@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Some thoughts on fellow listees and their posts: Archel, your cheek knows no bounds. Yesterday's request was very "oh no, I accidentally seem to have dropped all my clothes down the waste disposal and am in need of a big strong man to sort it out while I stand around in a teddy with a Father Xmas pompom!", I thought... :)) Kevan Cooke - give this man the world. He is my perfect man, and will be getting my alternate sexuality list crush vote as soon as a site is set up for Murdochesque ruminations on fancying one's gender (or not, in the case of some of you). I don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet, but as it seems to be along similar lines to some of the lit so far mentioned "The Weirdstone of Brisingamen" is unmitigated SHITE and I have ben scarred by its pompous, pointless bland elf-wank since I was forced to read it when I was 9. Why I feel so antipathetic towards a children's book I don't know, but I'm not having a good day. Got an Xmas tree shaped chocolate in my advent calendar today. Could any other listees with Cadbury's calendars confirm whether or not they are all the same? Just checked out the newcrush list (in the desperate hope that *someone* will like me) - nice to see I am in such August company on zero - whoever hasn't voted for luminaries such as Keith, The Duke, Archel, Janine, Kevan (swoon), Seb, Megan (how the mighty have fallen :)), time to pull your fingers out.... And more importantly, where the hell did Begbie come from...? And who the hell is Minnie Ripperton??? Enough envy, time to W!O!R!K! Kisses from your ever-so-fanciable Biondino xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From conform at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 12:32:27 1998 From: conform at xxx.com (Seamus Campbell) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 04:32:27 -0800 Subject: Sinister: 2 quickies [one OFF one ON] Message-ID: <01FF24001403D011AD7B00A024BC53C53BF31D@mail.deming.com> i don't believe that anything is out yet, but i'm not positive. k is putting out an amazing single sometime soon, built to spill covering "by the way" (from operation heavenly) and marine research doing "sick and wrong" (available on bts's the normal years, i believe). seamus > -----Original Message----- > From: dave cohen [SMTP:lapis at xxx.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 7:20 AM > To: sinister at majordomo.net > Subject: Sinister: 2 quickies [one OFF one ON] > > have Marine Research put out anything? i thought i had heard > about a 7" (called Queen B? MayB...) but not seen/heard it. > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keith at xxx.uk Thu Dec 3 12:41:42 1998 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:41:42 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Unloveable In-Reply-To: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2234A1F8@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Message-ID: <000101be1eba$47370110$4e0129c2@sun.QSS> And more importantly, where the hell did Begbie come from...? And who the hell is Minnie Ripperton??? Enough envy, time to W!O!R!K! Minnie Riperton is a singer who died of cancer a long time ago, she's best known for "Loving You" which you'll probably know as being part of the Orb's "A Huge Ever Growing Brain". Someone voted for her and it got put in, so I pumped up the vote by voting for her 4 times in a row (which might answer Mark's question about where people came from). In response to Mark's advice, cheers for that, but please don't anyone bother voting for me, I don't like the idea of a list crush thingy anyway. Found it highly embarrassing in the past and don't really want my name on it. It does rather present the idea of a clique on the list and I don't think I'm into that. I'm also not really into the idea of a who's the most fancied person in theory. Sorry to sound miserable about it, but I'm just not into that sort of thing - Stuart, can I have my name removed please? Cheers, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From iles at xxx.uk Thu Dec 3 12:57:55 1998 From: iles at xxx.uk (Mark Iles) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:57:55 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Grammar (yawn) and tigermilk rerelease In-Reply-To: <199812030736.HAA14563@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >>and one last thing, amelia has remembered roughly how to do the 'she and me' >>thing; >>"Did Sarah have dinner with Jeffrey that night, or was it she and me?" >> >>"I think you need to set up the sentence with a clear subject and object and >>then substitute in the she and me for these in a second clause." > >Nope, this doesn't work; it should be "...or was it she and I?". The trick >here is to reverse the order of the fragments, making it "It was she and >I," which is correct. Sorry to keep this grammar thread going, but I'd say that's still wrong. I think it should be "...or was it her and me?" Because , if you take out the "she" you get "... or was it me?" which makes sense whether or not you reverse the order of the sentence. "... or was it I?" sounds silly. Then again in that "Who Killed Cock Robin" poem thing, you have the line "It was I, said the sparrow". But I reckon that's probably wrong, too. On a more Belle and Sebastian-related note, I was wondering about the rerelease of Tigermilk. When it comes out next year (because I'm convinced it will) there's bound to be a vinyl version available. But does anyone know whether this will be identical to the original release? I'm guessing it'll be at least slightly different (even if the cover picture is the same) because it'll have Jeepster's name on it for one. Which means that the original will still stay pretty expensive, no? Probably not as ludicrously expensive as it has been recently, but it'll still be the one which all of the "collecters" will want to get hold of. It's a shame really, because I think it would be dead funny if the new release looked identical to the original so that all those copies that had sold for 200 quid and more would suddenly be reduced in worth to about a tenner. Anyone who'd bought the record because they were desperate to hear it and were devoted fans would still have their money's worth since they'll have had it a while by now and knowing that it's the original it will have sentimental value, whereas it would be one in the eye for all those who were buying it as some kind of 'investment'. If only, eh... What does anyone else think. Mark ___________________________________________________________________________ Mark Iles, Tel: +44 (0113) 2065042 Imperial Cancer Research Fund, Fax: +44 (0113) 2340183 Genetic Epidemiology Laboratory, Ashley Wing, Email: iles at boreas.leeds.icnet.uk St James's University Hospital, Beckett Street, Leeds, LS9 7TF U.K. ____________________________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From belleandsebastian at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 13:29:36 1998 From: belleandsebastian at xxx.com (Karen David) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 98 13:29:36 UT Subject: Sinister: Doesn't Anyone Want To Be On The Telly? Message-ID: C'mon. Don't be shy. We don't have too much time, and I don't have the vocal skills or imagination to fake it all myself. Get those anecdotes in to: belleandsebastian at classic.msn.com Hear from you soon, Neil at B&S +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fyang at xxx.ca Thu Dec 3 13:56:53 1998 From: fyang at xxx.ca (Frank Yang) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 08:56:53 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Nothing in particular Message-ID: <366698A5.AC997E6A@itl.ca> G'day all Just popping in with a few obesrvations/comments/unsolicited opinions on some of the recent thread. They've actually started giving me work to do (bastards! What do they think they pay me for?), so I've had to go back to lurking mode for a while. Anyways... Records of the year: Belle & Sebastian - TBWTAS (natch), Billy Bragg & Wilco - Mermaid Avenue, Emm Gryner - Public, Semisonic - Feeling Strangely Fine, Sloan - Navy Blues, Spiritualized - Live At The Royal Albert Hall, Elliott Smith - XO Honorable mentions to Catatonia, Bernard Butler, Drugstore, Mojave 3, Bob Mould, Heather Nova, Son Volt, Pulp and Cracker. Records I would have liked to have on the list but that I can't find on this continent for less than $35... The Boo Radleys - Kingsize (but since they now have North American distribution and will be released in late January, look for it on next years list... boo forever!) Manic Street Preachers - This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours (of course the All Saints remix album can find distribution, but the Manics? Oh nooo....) Sparklehorse - Good Morning Spider Regarding C.S. Lewis: I read recently that his theological books were enjoying a resurgence in popularity. I guess they look good alongside those Chicken Soup and Celestine Prophecy books... I thoroghly enjoyed the Narnia books, though I don't think I've ever managed to read them in the proper order. The Last Battle disturbed me - the body count was pretty high for an 8 year old to deal with. BTW - did anyone catch the Stu Murdoch quote in December's Select where he says he wouldn't mind if B&S were called a Christian rock band? I think that's what he said, I don't have the article handy for reference... interesting, anyways. To anyone in the US/Canada who's ordered stuff from Jeepster before: How long does it take to ship a package about the size of a t-shirt and CD across the Atlantic? I'll be foolishly checking my mailbox everyday from Dec 7 on awaiting my Christmas gift to myself... Alyssa: Sincerest condolences (sp?) about your cat. List crush: I see I am conspicuously absent... that's fine... why should cyberspace be any different from the real world... sob sob (peeking through the crocodile tears to see if the desperate ploy for pity is paying off...) Well, I think that brings me up to speed. Have a good day everyone and beware the ice weasels. They have pointy nasty teeth. -- Frank Yang "Ooh, you got a head bag! Those are chock full of... heady goodness." In my CD player: The Boo Radleys - Wake Up! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From atieger at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 14:13:20 1998 From: atieger at xxx.com (aaron tieger) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:13:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <19981203141320.10509.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Was anybody else on the list at the Magic 12/Thalia Zedek gig at the Middle East Upstairs last night? If you want to hear a great band, Magic 12 is for you. They're sort of llike a lighter version of tindersticks and cowboy junkies put together. Boy guitarist, boy singer, girl drummer, girl keyboardist/singer (my coworker Beth, actually, who finally displayed to me what "arms of sex" is all about. Too bad for me she's a dyke). They have a s/t CD just out on Dahlia. Check it out! The only bummer was that I found out that the girl I see at every show, and have been nursing a crush on for almost a year, is a lesbian as well. It figures. On a different, equally-irrelvant note, can anyone verify what my roommate told me: that Tindersticks have indeed split up? aaron === atieger at rocketmail.com auger/anvil Give me the sense to wonder... _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail, free e-mail for the planet. * Visit & explore Cybersmith at http://www.cybersmith.com * Get your web-based e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin_horsfield at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 14:23:02 1998 From: martin_horsfield at xxx.com (Martin Horsfield) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 06:23:02 PST Subject: Sinister: THe morning after Message-ID: <199812031423.GAA20036@law-f78.hotmail.com> Dear all, Thanks for the hug, Gary. Actually my gig going expeirences this week were quite revelatory - it was my gig playing experiences I'd rather forget. I fucked up the bassline to one of our songs so royally last night that I could see Sara from Girlfrendo wincing. When a band that plays as badly as them notices a couple of little mistakes, you know you've got problems. Spent the evening drowning my sorrows downstairs in the Hope & Anchor, hearing news of Pete Wylie's lastest woes, which didn't exactly lighten the mood. I woke up in Turnpike Lane on the drummer's settee, absolutely minging, and had to be in Docklands for 9.30. Only shop to get some new socks in is bastard Gap! It's only midday now, but the whole day's a fucking rollercoaster ride. We're doing another bloody gig tonight! (Aplogies for non-twee language) As for list business, my non-staus here was confirmed when the (ridiculously elitist) idea of an A-list came up. My nicknames remark was credited to 'Fisky' and not 'Martin Horsfield'. I've never had a nickname, and don't particularly want to start now (though 'Matinee Mart' would do, as at least you'd then associate me with my foppish indie band). As for the person asking for the source of Murdoch's fondness for CS Lewis. I believe he referred to it in an interview ;n 'Bigwig' magazine, which I posted to the list last month. If anyone wants a photocopy, or just to see the text, email me personally (preferably at mart at subcult.demon.co.uk). It's the high moral tone of Lewis' work which makes critics suspicious of him, it seems (though Lewis Carroll never got such a bad rap for taking creepy pictures of his nieces). As for Clinton Hill, are there any other second division footballers who share their names with parts of the US? I think we should be told. Lastly: 1) Anyone who likes Cornelius/Beck/Bjork?/Salad/Pizzicato Five should attempt to see a band called Femini Flyers, who are over in Britain for a few weeks. I only saw two of their songs, and I don't really connect with that sort of music, but all present last night said that they were amazing. 2) Anyone who can't get in to see Grand Drive at the Garage tonight, please come down and introduce yourselves to Matinee. We're playing at the Acoustic Cafe, quite early, 9-ish. I can't vouch for the calibre of the other bands as the whole thing's been organised absolutely shambolically (Ta Carl). Email me at the hotmail address for a flyer. 3) As for albums of the year. no wonder IYFS was criminally ignored in 1997's polls - it came out in 1996, didn't it! The best album of 1998 is Kingsize by The Boo Radleys, closely followed by Deserters Songs, Ray Of Light, Breaking God's Heart, TBWTAS, Celebrity Skin, Overcome By Happiness by The Pernice Brothers, The Essential Terry Callier, Flying High by Gene Clarke, Good Humor by Saint Etienne, Kylie Minogue, Good Morning Spider by Sparklehorse, the not-bad-really Gomez album, Pelaton by the Delgados, the best of James, Courtney's live Belle & Sebastian tapes, The Good Will Out, The Masterplan, the Cornelius album, Spiritualised live at the Royal Albert Hall, Bob Dylan live at the etc..., Portishead's NYC live (this is the first year in living memory when three live albums have been released that are completely essential), Morcheeba's Big Calm and Ben Lee's Something To Remember Me By. Bet I've forgotten some too. Oh well, this post took an hour and now I'm off to lunch! You can't beat wasting office time. I think I'll have loads of water so I need to pe ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 98046683 at xxx.uk Thu Dec 3 13:29:40 1998 From: 98046683 at xxx.uk (Jonathan) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:29:40 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <2A75F00DF5@ghondr.mmu.ac.uk> Greetings, I've Never read the narnia books. Should i be hanging my head in shame right now. I don,t think so I did watch the t.v. program though, ahh sunday afternoon t.v. when i was a nipper. BLISS. Did any of you lot go to see B&S at nottingham the other month? If so could someone PLEASE post a set list for the pleasure of yours truly. TAR . I'm sure that you've all probably gone through this before but i was'nt here so PLEASE. Thats enough of that grovelling lark Whats on my stereo:- The white album. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cleonard at xxx.COM Thu Dec 3 14:47:53 1998 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:47:53 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Re: Murdoch Goes Punk Message-ID: Good Afternoon, my you lot are quiet today. I'm a bit concerned to hear about Murdoch's hair, perhaps it wasn't Struan at all but, the evil punk Murdoch clone. He goes about slamming doors on old ladies and reading out rude bits from the book of Leviticus in church. "Can you help me with my shopping, young man?" an innocent cripple asks him. "No" replies the evil punk Murdoch. Then he kicks the cripple with his 48 hole doc martins. Anarchy! We should be worried. Maybe he'll buy a green bomber jacket to, and start his evil chant "I'm with Enoch". No sorry, that's the evil National Front Murdoch clone. Christ. Sarah Wheeler, I hope your keeping an eye on him. Maybe Carmen's influence has seeped it's way through to Belle and Sebastian HQ. Or maybe Struan was sick of people saying he was ginger when he's not, and he's on a major strop. There's a new cafe on Byres road in Glasgow. It's all orange, and it's got a huge Belle and Sebastian poster on the back wall. Maybe Struan has dyed his hair orange so that he can wear an orange boiler suit - when he goes into the cafe nobody will be able to see any of him apart from his face, which will appear to just float about. Yeah, that's what it'll be. Panic's over. I noticed the Looper's treehouse is looking quite smart - you can do your own looper tune and there's oh new stuff everywhere. Check it check it out. I mixed my own looper tune, but since I don't have a sound card I couldn't hear it. But I did make up a story about the lunar rainbow picture I saw in the Tate gallery on Sunday, pretending I was struan david. It's got flashing red lights! Groovy. I reckon the looper is getting quite flashy with this web programming malarkey, have you had a hand in this Mr. Kitchen? That is all, Christopher A. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From matthew_kelly_at_hscb-b7 at xxx.edu Thu Dec 3 15:04:27 1998 From: matthew_kelly_at_hscb-b7 at xxx.edu (matthew_kelly_at_hscb-b7 at xxx.edu) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 98 10:04:27 -0500 Subject: Sinister: I can't escape the threat of hell Message-ID: <9812039126.AA912697521@netmail.hscbklyn.edu> Sorry, but I have to say something about the whole grammar thing. To be (is) is a transitive verb and therfore takes a predicate nominative, I, as opposed to a direct object, me. In addition it is an implied ellpitical phrase as in ... or was it she and I (who went to dinner). I'm sure people are groaning about this and rightfully, but Iwent to catholic school and grammar was beaten into me so I had to repsond or I will go to hell. I DON'T want to go to hell. You've heard about it; it's a terrible place. OK never again and sorry to Mark for getting this 2x. Matt +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kschaffe at xxx.Edu Thu Dec 3 15:48:47 1998 From: kschaffe at xxx.Edu (Schaffenberger) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:48:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: Boff. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Impending finals prevent me from list-crushing, or doing much beyond writing papers and trying to conserve the last dollars on my meal card (It's PBJ sammiches and un-bottled water every day from here on out... You have NO idea how miserable this is. Especially since the peanut butter at my school tastes like it's made of saltine crackers. Really, is peanut butter graded like meat? If so, this is the furthest from the Grade A peanut butter-- on which I was raised-- I've ever strayed! Feel free to send me some of the good stuff, like Jif, if you're feeling particularly sorry for me. It is indeed a cruel dilemma when one must give up daily smoothies and bottled water and pilaf at the end of the semester, when the brain needs these foods the most.) In any case, I declare my list crush on Mark Cassarotto, AKA Biondino, here for all to see. Now write me back already, Mark! Much Love, Kristen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk Thu Dec 3 15:46:14 1998 From: Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk (Sarah Wheeler) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:46:14 GMT Subject: Sinister: Pedantry Message-ID: <199812031546.PAA22105@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Chrissy wrote: >Sarah Wheeler, I hope your keeping an eye on him. I really have been trying. I pitched my one man tent in Struan's stairwell, but it seems the dirty stop-out hasn't been home yet. It's only been 10 days though...maybe he's visiting mommy. And all the apples I had for him have turned a bit mushy.... It's interesting that someone saw the aforementioned with his new red hair-do 'cos a bloke looking not unlike Russ Abbott's 'See you Jimmy' entered the flat, humming 'Atmosphere'. (Oh, and Chris, 'your' has an apostrophe and an 'e' at the end). Pedantically yours Sarah x ======================= Sarah Wheeler Room 106 West Medical Building University of Glasgow GLASGOW G12 8QQ 0141-339 8855 ext.2860 ======================= +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From trarvild at xxx.se Thu Dec 3 15:55:21 1998 From: trarvild at xxx.se (Katarina Karlsson) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:55:21 +0100 Subject: SV: Sinister: Grammar (yawn) and tigermilk rerelease Message-ID: <199812031557.QAA10689@mb06.swip.net> Dear Mark It is allways nice to hear the cryes frome peoples, who "knows" that the only beauty in this world is mony and more mony,when they finds out that they have lost money. Doesn't everyone love this, your idea was great but will probebly not be reality in this world. Katta > On a more Belle and Sebastian-related note, I was wondering about the > rerelease of Tigermilk. When it comes out next year (because I'm convinced > it will) there's bound to be a vinyl version available. But does anyone > know whether this will be identical to the original release? I'm guessing > it'll be at least slightly different (even if the cover picture is the > same) because it'll have Jeepster's name on it for one. Which means that > the original will still stay pretty expensive, no? Probably not as > ludicrously expensive as it has been recently, but it'll still be the one > which all of the "collecters" will want to get hold of. It's a shame > really, because I think it would be dead funny if the new release looked > identical to the original so that all those copies that had sold for 200 > quid and more would suddenly be reduced in worth to about a tenner. Anyone > who'd bought the record because they were desperate to hear it and were > devoted fans would still have their money's worth since they'll have had it > a while by now and knowing that it's the original it will have sentimental > value, whereas it would be one in the eye for all those who were buying it > as some kind of 'investment'. If only, eh... > > What does anyone else think. > > > Mark +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Thu Dec 3 16:45:59 1998 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (WeeJay) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:45:59 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Last chrismas I game you my heart (but the very next day you took it to the record and tape exchange) Message-ID: <199812031639.QAA06615@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> I havent posted anything for ages as you'll all have noticed (of course!) but tuesday-thursday is busy,busy,busy around here... Anyway, i'd like to appologise, especially to Lesley Jo for my innapropriate slurs. I'm sorry, I was trying to be Brad (nice Wizard of Oz thing, BTW) and it's just not me, so *hug* that's better isn't it. Now dry your tears and go back to the sandpit and play nicely. Narnia? That's my childhood, well a bit of it... My favorite was always The Horse And His Boy. I have some instructions for you people: (1) Click here: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/wjpages.html (2) Click here and vote for me, as you're so impresed by (1): http://listcrush.future.easyspace.com/ Oh, I have to go, really, but I'll be back with something long and interesting (no smut intended, I am entirely innocent now, in fact my new name is TWeeJay) for now though, you can make do with a list of some FACTS!!!! 1. The average reading age of the UK population is 9. 2. Mariah Carey and Celine Dion are the two-headed gestalt anti- isobel 3. Americans new to this list start saying 'wee', 'pish' and 'natch' within 2 weeks. 4. Number three is strangely cute. 5. If the rattyboy three doors from me plays 'Music Sounds Better With You' at full volume once more I will snap and be unresponsible for my actions 6. Sophie Aldred isn't on the list, you know... 7. People should go and vote on the list crush for a lurking 'Englishman in Tokyo' androgenous person with sixties footwear. You know it makes sense. (T)WeeJay XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX James at twopounds.u-net.com "I know there's a lot of bass players in the audience tonight, I know living amongst the constructions that the people in power have built doesn't feel so right" mAKE UP - "We Can't Be Contained" http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/ (Which will no longer crash your computer. Hopefully.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mars at xxx.net Thu Dec 3 17:30:44 1998 From: mars at xxx.net (M R McDonald) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:30:44 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Grammar (double yawn) References: Message-ID: <3666CAC4.46F583EB@pe.net> Mark Iles wrote: > >>and one last thing, amelia has remembered roughly how to do the 'she > and me' > >>thing; > > > >Nope, this doesn't work; it should be "...or was it she and I?". The > trick > >here is to reverse the order of the fragments, making it "It was she > and > >I," which is correct. > > Sorry to keep this grammar thread going, but I'd say that's still > wrong. So am I, but I can't let this rest here!! > I > think it should be "...or was it her and me?" No. "...she and I" is corect. > . "... or was it I?" sounds silly. > > Then again in that "Who Killed Cock Robin" poem thing, you have the > line > "It was I, said the sparrow". But I reckon that's probably wrong, too. No. That is correct. "It is I" may sound strange to you, but it is correct grammar. mars at pe.net +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gary at xxx.uk Thu Dec 3 18:19:55 1998 From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:19:55 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Why is Rod Hull alive.... and getting paid as well ?. In-Reply-To: <199812030736.HAA14563@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000401be1ee9$86ec5100$490f93c3@whelan> Apparently fisky wrote.... >Just as the list was threatening to get dull, it's good to see you all >addressing the big issues with such gusto (sex, religion, lame 80s >movies). I'm especially pleased that my CS Lewis post provoked such >reaction. Perhaps one day I shall be a man of influence on this list, >like those they call the 'Duke', 'Candarel', 'Honey' or, indeed, >'Trousers'. Oh don't think that all the list faces take to their given nicknames straight away. I can still remember the day, walking aimlessly round Manchester after she'd got us lost AGAIN, Sarah called me Moonbeam (her then nickname for me) so I turned to her, called her Fluffy and she twated me. It was only after adding the Candarel that she took to it. Big bad Dom wrote... > Is it just me, or is the list crush website ripe for abuse? > Is there anything that stops people from getting their friends to > vote a billion times? You're right, I just voted for Fluffy twice, so to stop me being damned to hell I'm coming clean - David / Big Stu, can you take _one_ of them off please? :) D'oh! Such lack of subtlety is surely not part of the whole list crush scene, but I'm new to this...as long as I don't have to square up to Gary in a Liverpool car park I don't mind! You're too honest Dom by far. Then again, maybe it'll put Fluffy's ego in check a bit. It's been getting out of control ever since she won the first list crush vote. 87) No you're Ok, no need to square up to me there, besides there's perfectly good car parks this side of the Mersey. 87) Anyone else noticed that if you give Stevie Jackson a bubble perm he'd look a little bit like Andy McClusky from OMD in 1980 ?. No.... just me again huh ?. Yours faithfully Gary +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From karastar at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 17:24:53 1998 From: karastar at xxx.com (Kara Baer) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:24:53 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Glasgow Adventures Message-ID: Greeting Fellow Listees.. I have just finished filling out the last of my paperwork and now it's official..this sweet li'l american girl is headed to Glasgow next semester. My flight leaves 3 January and I'm so very nervous. Will my American accent and clothes stick out too too much? Shall I have to purchase a pair of flares and platforms? Do they appreciate the fine points of American culture..things like "Mr. Belvedere", "Three's Company", and "TJ Hooker"? Maybe I can join Sarah Wheeler in the stairwell of Mr. Murdoch's apartment building waiting for a glimpse of the silvery trousers. I have been generously granted a copy of Tigermilk, thanks to Jessica Foxinasnow and the Post Office Gods (one must pay homage to them every other Thursday..leaving half a bottle of milk and three pieces of gum in my mailbox). I must say it's absolutely lovely. My favorite so far is "She's Losing It" followed by "We Rule the School." Love KaraStar "I know politics bores you, but I feel like a hypocrite talking to you and your racist friend." Yeah, I voted for Reid. *********************************** chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickclick.com http://www.chickmail.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Thu Dec 3 19:06:06 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:06:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: Glasgow Adventures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good luck in Scotland, but if I were you I'd go shopping BEFORE you leave. I've heard that clothing is pretty expensive in Europe, no outlets, y'know. http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Kara Baer wrote: > > Greeting Fellow Listees.. > > I have just finished filling out the last of my paperwork and now it's official..this sweet li'l american girl is headed to Glasgow next semester. My flight leaves 3 January and I'm so very nervous. Will my American accent and clothes stick out too too much? Shall I have to purchase a pair of flares and platforms? Do they appreciate the fine points of American culture..things like "Mr. Belvedere", "Three's Company", and "TJ Hooker"? > > Maybe I can join Sarah Wheeler in the stairwell of Mr. Murdoch's apartment building waiting for a glimpse of the silvery trousers. > > I have been generously granted a copy of Tigermilk, thanks to Jessica Foxinasnow and the Post Office Gods (one must pay homage to them every other Thursday..leaving half a bottle of milk and three pieces of gum in my mailbox). I must say it's absolutely lovely. My favorite so far is "She's Losing It" followed by "We Rule the School." > > Love KaraStar > "I know politics bores you, but I feel like a hypocrite talking to you and your racist friend." > > Yeah, I voted for Reid. > > > > > > *********************************** > chickclick.com > girl sites that don't fake it. > http://www.chickclick.com > http://www.chickmail.com > *********************************** > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gary at xxx.uk Thu Dec 3 19:19:34 1998 From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:19:34 -0000 Subject: Sinister: I hate Nerys Hughes In-Reply-To: <199812031557.PAA29515@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000601be1ef1$dc6f8400$490f93c3@whelan> Hello listy type people. A quite desperate sounding Neil wrote... "C'mon. Don't be shy. We don't have too much time, and I don't have the vocal skills or imagination to fake it all myself. Get those anecdotes in to: belleandsebastian at classic.msn.com" Does anyone think reinacting B&S songs is good enough to get you on TV ?. Where's Mr Miller when you need him. He could go on and tell all about the time he did the Charleston to Mary Jo on the deck of the Ark Royal at one of those top showbiz military bashes. 87) Matinee Mart wrote... " Spent the evening drowning my sorrows downstairs in the Hope & Anchor, hearing news of Pete Wylie's lastest woes, which didn't exactly lighten the mood." Either I'm having déjà vu, or Wylies been up to his old tricks again. I'm sure he's been had up before the beak for threatening to kill his ex before. It was only last year as well. If you like Pete Wylie, you won't want to hear about the time I saw him in Probe. No Fluffy, don't, keep stumm. As for Clinton Hill, are there any other second division footballers who share their names with parts of the US? I think we should be told. OI, we're a first division side if you don't mind, second class maybe, but first division. Anyway, I hear that there is someone called Flushing Meadows playing for Mansfield reserves. Bye all Gary +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 16:15:59 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:15:59 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Respect In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981203161559.00799580@mail.u-net.com> Look, at last someone has recognised my higher intelligence, because Laurel wrote: >i cannot recommend susan cooper's _dark is rising_ series highly enough. JJ was right -- start with _over sea, under stone_ and carry on from there. She said I WAS RIGHT. Anyway. Casarotto then piped up with something about various Alan Garner books, I also read The Weirdstone Of Brisingamen and it's sequel, The Moon Of Gomrath. "pointless bland elf-wank"? It's a childrens' fantasy book, Mark, and both were rather good too. Selina Place...brrr now there's a scary name. He wrote some other stuff too, Elidor which wasn't so good, something about Owls and another one I can't remember the name of but was ok. There's nothing to be ashamed of if you read them now you're older. JJ xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mctag at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 20:34:12 1998 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:34:12 GMT Subject: Sinister: The mating game Message-ID: <3666f290.261539@post.demon.co.uk> Hola, Keith, I second that emotion. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't strangely compelled to follow its progress, but isn't the list crush thing spiralling ever more out of control? Oh sure, it's a good laugh, but it's also a sure-fire way of inflating inflatable egos, inspiring desperate "notice me" posts, and giving the more insecure an inferiority complex. And I seriously doubt that anyone's got a shag out of it. So what's the point, other than a popularity competition? Nick Dastoor wrote: >Anyway - I don't like all this A-list listee business. It puts people >off and implies that Tag is worth reading. Which he is, but only when >he sheds the juvenile foppish style he adopts on Sinister... Juvenile and foppish, eh? That sounds like a book someone recommended here. On several occasions. I'll take it as a compliment, if only because it suits me to do so. Obviously, I wouldn't write if I didn't think I was worth reading. Now, if there really was an A-list, it certainly would put people off. But I don't think there is. I certainly didn't ask to be on it. Some people are always going to get more attention than others, either cos people think they're more entertaining or because they talk more shite, but those who aren't old-timers or natural writers can still come up with something delicious, if they say it with love. Apart from Brad, of course, who is clearly incapable of love and yesterday claimed to have been "intimate" with my mother. Oh, you're bad, Brad. Does this mean I can call you Dad, Brad? Kiss my curvy butt, Poetry Parrot. Belle and Sebastian content: They're number 21 in the Uncut writer's poll. Now which wanker voted for them, eh? Love, Tag xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tangent at xxx.net Thu Dec 3 21:09:34 1998 From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 21:09:34 +0000 Subject: Sinister: cover stars References: <000301be1d0d$6b17e120$4e0129c2@sun.QSS> Message-ID: <3666FE0E.1EEB62AF@lineone.net> apologies if this has been answered already, but i haven't really been paying attention lately, been a bit preoccuppied, don't you know. BUT, i am reliably informed that the cover star of the new Ep is none other than Alan Horne. Alan WHO? chime the youngsters in one voice... Well Mr Horne was the mastermind behind Postcard records of Scotland in the early 80s and then the early/mid 90s as well. The man was generally regarded as being a bit mad really, but naturally really really cool. Unrepreoachably cool in fact, which is clearly why Struan and co have such high regard for him and all he did. I wish there was a label as magical as Postcard these days, i really do... sigh. maybe i'll start one. who wants to give me some money? keep the faith, the duke ------------------------------------------ 'all of our dreams are dying of overdoses' ------------------------------------------ Tangents On-Line http://www.tangents.co.uk PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at lineone.net ------------------------------------------ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wilde77 at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 21:31:09 1998 From: wilde77 at xxx.com (r. h.) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 13:31:09 PST Subject: Sinister: put down the tissue baby, i'm back Message-ID: <19981203213110.14279.qmail@hotmail.com> one of my friends just stopped by to use the toliet. after doing so he said lately his shit has been smelling like meat. i found that interesting enough to share with all of you. i think i was right don't you. speaking of toliets. if any of you have been worried about where i've been(judging by the list crush, none of you have) you'll be happy to know that i have been at home with my face in the toliet. yep, i've got the flu! i've discoverd though that bannana popsicles and big star are great to have by your side when puking in a place where your father just shit minutes earlier. it's good to see everyone is back to normal conversation. that's all. oh, and have you noticed that everyone apologizes for everything they say on the list, well almost everyone. why is that? where's tara? robbie in my heart: nothing but love mama ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 70204923 at xxx.ca Thu Dec 3 13:59:34 1998 From: 70204923 at xxx.ca (Sebastian) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:59:34 EST Subject: Sinister: Malkmus/Berman . . . no bs Message-ID: <107C38E5999@cs5.conestogac.on.ca> Yeah, i spoke with the writer of the article...by St. Malkmus 'other' band he meant, 'other' as in 'other,' not 'other' as in 'secondary' or something like that... not that i questioned him, but he was VERY AWARE that, if anything, Pavement was a 'side project' but mentioned his 'readership' (the school) would not care for such details, especially considering (and i can vouch for this one) about 95% of this school probably knows not even who Mr. Malkmus or Pavement are... "drowning for you thirst..." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Thu Dec 3 22:07:04 1998 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:07:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: The mating game In-Reply-To: <3666f290.261539@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Robert McTaggart wrote: > > Hola, > > Keith, I second that emotion. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't > strangely compelled to follow its progress, but isn't the list crush > thing spiralling ever more out of control? Oh sure, it's a good > laugh, but it's also a sure-fire way of inflating inflatable egos, > inspiring desperate "notice me" posts, and giving the more insecure an > inferiority complex. And I seriously doubt that anyone's got a shag > out of it. So what's the point, other than a popularity competition? The whole point of the list crush site was that it should be a good laugh. People seem to enjoy it, so that makes it worthwhile in my book. It is certainly not intended to be a popularity contest. And I hope people's egos will be kept in check when they realise that they're behind Rod Begbie... Besides, all the best people are on no votes, right? Sure, it's possible to cheat if you really want to put the effort in, but what's the point? It's not as if you're going to get more people to like you just because you've got a lot of votes, and you'd appear to be taking it all far too seriously. It's kind of like cheating in the Mum and Dads' race at school sports day. As for people sending 'notice me' posts, firstly I think that having the site there permanently rather than having an email vote every now and then should reduce the number of those; and secondly if someone says something entertaining just to be noticed, then that's still a good thing, as we've all been entertained. I reckon if people only posted things which they thought would get them crush votes the list would probably get more entertaining than it has been recently. >From the votes I've seen people getting, here is my guide to getting crush votes: 1. Be funny. 2. Be smutty. 3. Tell us about your life, not just which bands you listen to which noone else has heard of. 4. Follow the instructions in the Sinister FAQ. 5. Know Keith. I'd say that if everyone follows those we'll all be back to being happy bunnies again... Big Stu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Niceaction at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 23:24:54 1998 From: Niceaction at xxx.com (Niceaction at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:24:54 EST Subject: Sinister: Your cheese mate.. And your mum !! Message-ID: Big Stu wrote : >>From the votes I've seen people getting, here is my guide to getting crush votes: 1. Be funny. 2. Be smutty. 3. Tell us about your life, not just which bands you listen to which noone else has heard of. 4. Follow the instructions in the Sinister FAQ. 5. Know Keith.<< ok Mr Stewart 1. Be Funny.. - hmmmm What do you call a prostitue with a runny nose.?? Full Up. ( sorry, thats pretty sad !) 2. Be Smutty - Does anyone else get turned on, when they see B&S play live and Isobel is looking really angry and unimpressed with something. That look she gives sends shivers down my spine. She knows she's georgous and she loves it !! Im sure she must have just come from a naughty photo shoot before the Shephards Bush gig and didnt have time to change from her kinky school girl outfit. 3. Tell us about your life - You dont want to know about it. Im far to sad. I spend my life on the computer listening to music, or down the pub listening to music. I find pleasure from writing obseneties backwards on a steamed up window busses on my early trips to work. My life is like a revolving door and i cant get out, what i did today i'll do tomorrow. I like vodka and chilli con carne though not together ! i dislike drunk people on busses, they always ask what im listening to on my walkman, and when i say B&S they go "who the fuck are they.. they must be shit cos i aint heard of em" the only thing is, these people have not heard anything new since they brought their last Santana record on the day of its release ! I have never hated anybody, and get on very well with most people, unless im feeling shy that particular day. 4. Follow the instructions on the Sinister FAQ. - I searched the archives and found no reference to prostitutes or santana. 5. Know Keith. - I do not know keith. Fuck !! i guess all of the above was pretty useless for me getting any list crushes then. :o( Take it easy people.. Jamie In my nose - a piece of tissue that i have stuck up there, and has been there for the last 20 minuites. I got a nose bleed after blowing it too hard. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eaws at xxx.com Thu Dec 3 20:52:44 1998 From: eaws at xxx.com (John) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:52:44 -0800 Subject: Sinister: marine research Message-ID: <28736279.1.14990@mx1-11.onmedia.com> >in the states you can get the single soon from roundabout mailorder. >i don't >have the info handy, but you can e-mail me if you want it and i'll >get it toyou. you can also get it from K records if you prefer paying with credit card. their address is http://www.kpunk.com. oh and marine research also have a semi-official site too at http://members.xoom.com/MR_98/index.html sorry about the shameless self-promotion. xxjohhnk .... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Fri Dec 4 00:06:23 1998 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:06:23 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Chris and Stevie on the telly Message-ID: <3667277F.ABD6C295@student.paisley.ac.uk> Did any other Scottish listees see Stevie & Chris on "The Key" (Scottish events and arts type programme) tonight (thursday 3/12/98)on BBC2 at 8pm? They were talking about Rod Stewart, and I rushed through and videoed what was left of the programme but haven't watched it properly yet because my mum phoned when it was on then i had to go out and i haven't been back yet. and they played the new single as well. this is all fine and dandy but why did i only find it by accident? why weren't we told? and is this programme repeated at all through the week so that i can record the whole interview on a tape where i can keep it, rather than it being stuck in the middle of the tape that just happened to be in my video at the time? sorry to be so grumpy. i should be happy that they were on tv at all, but surely we should have been aware of this?? i've checked the archives and no-one seems to have told anyone about it. did i imagine it? maybe i'll go home and look at the video and it won't have been on at all. No, if I'd imagined it, I'd have imagined Stuart in it too. (But he would have his natural hair colour). Nice to see TBWTAS at No 3 in Select's albums of the year. And for those of you wondering about the Glasgow meet-up I was organising, well I sort of haven't. soory but i've been awfully busy. But if anyone wants to take on the responsibility, I will certainly try to be there when it happens. Ailsa xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From plaird at xxx.uk Fri Dec 4 01:02:42 1998 From: plaird at xxx.uk (Paul Laird) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 98 01:02:42 +0000 Subject: Sinister: B&S on the Telly Message-ID: <199812040101.BAA31376@sioux.netdirect.net.uk> Damn, Damn, DAMN.... Why didn't someone say B&S would be on BBC2 tonight???? I changed channels at 8.27 to catch the very end of some "topical" prog called 'The Key', and got the dying strains of 'Modern Rock Song'. The video appeared to be shot in a graveyard, although that may just have been something to do with the credits for the show. Pray tell. I am so disappointed. Did Jeepster or the Band know about this beforehand? If so why no mention? TTFN, The Lairdster. p.s. Does anybody know if Pam Berry is still on the list, only I've been trying to get in touch. 'An EGG is good for you' - THE EGG Marketing Board +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From plaird at xxx.uk Fri Dec 4 01:04:41 1998 From: plaird at xxx.uk (Paul Laird) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 98 01:04:41 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Chris and Stevie on the telly Message-ID: <199812040103.BAA31403@sioux.netdirect.net.uk> >Did any other Scottish listees see Stevie & Chris on "The Key" (Scottish >events and arts type programme) tonight (thursday 3/12/98)on BBC2 at >8pm? They were talking about Rod Stewart, Ah shit. Somebody beat me to it. Bye, The Lairdster (multiple posting for the first and only time) 'An EGG is good for you' - THE EGG Marketing Board +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From craftylo at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 01:16:03 1998 From: craftylo at xxx.com (rachel cohen) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:16:03 -0500 Subject: Sinister: NO b&s...st etienne Message-ID: <366737D3.5323@erols.com> hi. this is no belle and sebastian content but i am sure that miss honey and his ponytail will find it in his heart to forgive me. so...here goes, i am in need of one or two tickets to saint etienne at the bowery ballroom in NYC. if anyone has one please think of me. i am cute and i can speak furbish. thanks in advance to the nice person that is going to sell me one of their extra tickets. rachel. who is extremely cute but is not a list crush (thank goodness) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ChanA at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 01:22:13 1998 From: ChanA at xxx.com (Arthur Chan) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:22:13 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Baby Blue Message-ID: <27458275F06ED211910F00A0C9E95BF00AB8E7@miller.suissamiller.com> I Love My Study at Stow Shirt. I just hope I run into someone else wearing one:) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Putneysays at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 01:59:40 1998 From: Putneysays at xxx.com (Putneysays at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:59:40 EST Subject: Sinister: really shabby poetry Message-ID: <902e2479.3667420c@aol.com> Dear Lovely Listees, Um...I don't really post the list much, because I'm afraid of the evaluation other sinisiteries will give my letters..."did she use enough indie references? do you think she wears cardigans? I wonder what type of cheese is her favorite? Oh, swiss? How passe.... I know why she didn't get any list crush votes..." etc. Anyway, I wrote a sonnet of sorts for my English class on Belle And sebastian, and for some strange reason I thought perhaps some of you would be interested in reading it...remember, I'm only a freshman in high school, and I've never written a sonnet before, which explains why it's so awful...but the subject matter is appropriate for this list, I suppose. My list crush, the lovely Iain Hamilton, was kind enough to lie to me and tell me it was nice. Critiquing and nasty insults about it are welcome, please! I won't reveal what grade I got on it until after you all are horribly disappointed with it. Susannah, the not-as-funny-and-charming-as-the-other-Susannah Susannah Grossman Period 3 11/23/98 Mrs. Napor Belle And Sebastian Magical music, always ironic Twisting down pastel corridors, kind, meek Savage, arch, cynical, wry, sardonic Giddy pop escapes boredom from the week. Fragile girls with buck teeth and stringy hair Buses, cardigans, wasting lives away Boys confused, awkwardly learning they care Ice cream compositions to make hearts sway. Musing soberly, unemployed, tired, poor Joyful days of squandering time Sweetly romantic, a quirky troubadour Clever horns, guitars using pantomime. Gentle melody, lovely harmony Prettiest songs in all of Brittany. P.S. I know Belle and sebastian aren't from France, but I couldn't think of another rhyme. okay, sorry for this long and boring post, I'll never do it again, I swear. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clarence at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 02:21:13 1998 From: clarence at xxx.com (Clarence Tsui, Hong Chee) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:21:13 +0800 Subject: Sinister: My first recommendation Message-ID: <01D4225AECD3D011A53600805F9A205847072D@mail.scmp.com> Hi all, Been off the list for quite a while (at least a year now, maybe shorter) and am excited to see so much traffic going to and fro. Am flabbergasted to be on the list again. Since I don't live anywhere near the B&S stratosphere (I live in Hong Kong, several thousand miles away from the nearest place that would play host to Stuart's silver trousers) I'd just say something somewhat related to music: Just wanted to recommend people to get a hold of the Pale Fountain's latest compilation that's out from the German label Marina (which also released a fantastically-packaged retrospective by Josef K). Equally twee and moving as B&S. Any comments on this record welcome; I think it's on a par with TBWTAS. (this might sound sacrilege, but pls don't flame me for my ignorance.) Later, Clarence +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From atieger at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 02:27:59 1998 From: atieger at xxx.com (aaron tieger) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:27:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: as long as everyone else is at it... Message-ID: <19981204022759.22894.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> OK, so I guess my top albums of the year are: UK: TBWTAS This is Hardcore- Pulp s/t- Kodiak Philophobia- Arab Strap US: American Water- Silver Jews Live 1966- Dylan Moon Pix- Cat Power Sweet Luck of Amaryllis- Retsin s/t- Magic 12 Gently Down the Stream- Come Vol. I- The Ida Retsin Family Spine- Cordelia's Dad Disappointments: the Ida EP, the new Shellac, the Portishead live album. Anyway, that sure was fun. No wit, no smut, no life, what directions, keith? aaron === atieger at rocketmail.com auger/anvil Give me the sense to wonder... _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail, free e-mail for the planet. * Visit & explore Cybersmith at http://www.cybersmith.com * Get your web-based e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From carrick44 at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 05:04:32 1998 From: carrick44 at xxx.com (Carrick C Blair) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:04:32 EST Subject: Sinister: Man on the Clapham omnibus Message-ID: <19981203.231753.2175.2.carrick44@juno.com> Hello all... Well it seems that a few of us our on the same wave length... Just when I thought it was a good time to start a little C.S. Lewis discussion, everybody else goes at it during my absence. And before I get into it a few mundane questions. I remember reading in that lovely, but somewhat inaccurate, article about B&S in Puncture a while back about there being C.S. Lewis' quotes in a few songs. Which ones? Any C.S./B&S experts out there? (And on a totally unrelated to CS Lewis topic. A friend of mine claims to have been given a American promo copy of IYFS, and he says its a slightly different mix from the subsequent American CD. The vocals sound different, he says. Anyone clear this up?) Dear C.S. Lewis. I have to admit that I've only read his most famous book, Lion, Witch, etc., but I have been quite captivated by this man for quite a while. He figured large in the spiritual development of a dear friend of mine. And Stuart's comments in the press, have just added fuel to fire. Christian Rock? Indeed, sometimes I wonder what goes through this boy's head. But lets get back to C.S. Lewis, the Greater Stuart Murdoch, as it were. Or is it the other way around. Sorry if that made no sense. So I'm reading this editorial about Lewis, talks about his religious leanings, conversion, etc. when this line pops out at me... "Lewis had a mystical sense of divine presence while on a BUS." (Capitals mine) Something to do with Lewis being led to Christianity "by a sense that the everyday-ness of life is permeated by glory." Did this this whole fascination with buses start with our dear Mr. Lewis? >From what I understand, far from being a "religious freak", Lewis didn't turn to Christianity till later in life, after years of mingling with the hipsters of his day, the "cool set" of Oxford. He was probably tired of the whole game. He thought the man on the bus was more interesting. My friend, mentioned previously, told me last night that far from being puritanical about things, he was still very much intrigued with the more sinister side of life. One of his buddies, Evelyn Waugh, is also quoted in this article. A quote from one of his stories... "I think it would be a very wicked thing indeed to do anything to fit a boy for the modern world." This same guy wrote another book, with a character named Sebastian. A sad fellow. Very devoted, usually drunk. I think he even crashed his car in the rain. I'm not sure if it was raining, though. But Martin said... >Much has been written about Belle and Sebastian's religious interests, >but how do we square this apparent spirituality with their voyeuristic >bent (prisoners with Arab straps and the like). Discuss. This could turn into a post of Gateau/Ried porportions, so I hold that discussion off for some other time. Like tomorrow. Yikes! No smut, no humor! No "Keith" name dropping! Almost all C.S.Lewis/religion. Uncrushworthy. Love Carrick ps a little bird told me, that the book currently on top of Stuart Murdoch's C.S. Lewis Recommended Reading List, is "That Hideous Strength" _______________ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From parachute at xxx.net Fri Dec 4 05:57:38 1998 From: parachute at xxx.net (brad) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:57:38 -0500 Subject: Sinister: midget Message-ID: <366779D2.266B@earthlink.net> yeah you can call me dad, taggy-poo.....but that means i get to spank you when you get out of line and smart off. i was reading some vonnegut the other day and he rhymed orange with door hinge. someone asked that a long time ago. i'm gonna break honey's golden rule and only count to four before i hit send. -brad in my pants: meat +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From marktb at xxx.edu Fri Dec 4 06:52:58 1998 From: marktb at xxx.edu (Mark Bourbonnais) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:52:58 -0800 Subject: Sinister: delurking and things Message-ID: <000001be1f53$00bebf40$3c1543a4@default> halloo sinisterians .. though i've been on the list for a while, i've not yet posted .. this is due largely to the fact that i'm a lurker by nature .. a voyeur, not a creator (this is why i'm a literature major and not creative writing). i cast my crush vote on an unsuspecting individual with whom i've been corresponding on a periodic basis and i hope they don't find out because i'll become flustered. this happens to me frequently as all my crushes always manage to find out about my secret interest in them .. it's a weird feeling, like how you feel when you're in the middle of a big clearing, naked, and your clothes are on the other side of the clearing and you know that everyone is watching you. you don't know whether to go get your clothes, or just stand there and act normal .. not that i've ever been in THAT situation before .. the other day i had a job interview early in the morning a few miles away, so i dressed nice and pretty and took the autobus to my interview .. however, i caught an earlier bus than i was planning and was 1hr 45mins early .. so i bought a banana and a cup of vanilla coffee from seven-eleven and went to the local park. it was soft and dewy and i was content to enjoy my banana and converse with two homeless fellows whilst lasted the duration of my wait. they shared with me many exciting things, as in how to obtain sexual favors from prostitutes in downtown los angeles and how to get free health benefits by posing as a mentally insane veteran. though i have no personal use for these nuggets of wisdom, it was quite nice to get a glimpse at the lives of others. i find myself strangely out of place on this list - in station, but not in spirit. i am resigned to listen to mainstream pop and rock that many might find vulgar and plain, and i am largely unaware of the musical trends that frequent the thoughts and posts of the traditional listee .. however, this is my post in life and i am happy to fill it. i do, however, revel in receiving cotton candy letters from cute twees who relish the construction of sentences and watching people on the autobus the same way i do. the ex-inhabitants of our apartment still receive an overwhelming amount of mail .. we forward their bills and correspondence but keep their magazines, which are unfortunately not that interesting if you don't gravitate toward the skanky and obscene. victoria's secret, glamour, vogue, vanity fair, cosmopolitan .. i keep the j. crew catalogues because i like their clothes, though i am too poor to buy them. i want to order a pair of mittens from them, however. we'll see .. on that note, i thought it would be fruitful to find out if there are any listees that live in the los angeles area. i ran into a nice boy at my university who was wearing the "study at stow" shirt, and i said "hi" and tried to talk with him, but he was rather glum and unenthusiastic so i let him be. i think it would be quite pleasant to orchestrate a friendly christmas party among us though i am too fearful to post that on the message board. anyone? and .. lastly .. i am in great need of the beat patrol and black sessions recordings, as they popped up without me knowing (and, being across the ocean, i was unable to be so affluent as to record them on my own). so i ask people who may have had this chance .. i can trade top-quality recordings of tigermilk, the 3 demos, the 2 radcliffe sessions, the 2 evening sessions, blank tapes, good friendship or a really good backrub. farewell and good night mark +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frantila at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 10:57:47 1998 From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 10:57:47 EET Subject: Sinister: I'M PUTTING AN END TO THAT STUPID GRAMMAR THING HERE, SO READ THIS. Message-ID: <19981204085748.23453.qmail@hotmail.com> ABOUT GRAMMAR: Ok, fist (hahahahha...sigh) things first. This is a fact now. The form people use today is, as you all well know, "It is me", not "It is I". How do I know, being a Finn and all? Well, I tried to get in to the University of Helsinki last year to study english, and I had to read this pretty funny book about the use of the english language. Not too many pictures in that book, but I managed to read it through. Anyhow, one of the things the writer talked about was just that "It is I/It is me"-thing. Let me explain this now, once and for all, so you don't have to fight about it anymore: "It is me" is the form people use now. "It is I" was in use about a 100 years ago. Well, all languages change. So did english, and for some reason "It is I" became "It is me". The form "It is I" can still be used, but what's the point in that? It sounds clumsy, doesn't it? But some time ago some professors and other wanks in the UK started to fight about the use of the english language. They said that "It is me" sounded clumsy and is used by ignorant and lower class people, so it should be replaced with the older, more noble form, "It is I". All the hell broke loose. The professors were made ridicilous after someone wrote a letter to them and told them that "My name is John" sounded soething like "G'hilt no John" about 700 years ago in England. Maybe they should fight for that too? After all, if they fought for "It is I" so much, why stop there? Hmm, I just read what I had written and it seems a bit confusing. Hope this helped someone, though. @--->--- a rose, love and other pretty things, jarkko fr�ntil�, waiting for the evening. It's friday, you know. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Rodney.Crowley at xxx.uk Fri Dec 4 14:12:45 1998 From: Rodney.Crowley at xxx.uk (Crowley, Rod) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:12:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Grandma Killer In-Reply-To: <199812040206.CAA26481@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I hardly ever post but I do feel the need to do so for once... >>SCENE: Late Nineties Airdrie<< A mother calls out to her son. MOTHER: "Struan, could you pop down to the shops and buy me some magazines please?". STRUAN: "Of course Mum, which ones should I buy though? MOTHER: "Oh, you know, my favourites, She and Me". Boy exits. >>A round of polite applause<< RodneyXX +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frantila at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 11:28:53 1998 From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:28:53 EET Subject: Sinister: spelling errors suck. big time. and something happened to me. Message-ID: <19981204092854.22336.qmail@hotmail.com> Hmm, a few spellerrs on my previos mail. Oh well... Last wednesday (two days ago, that is) I went to the old universityhouse here. Markus Nordenstreng, this ace finnish singer/songwriter was playing there, he was supporting this shitty band I'm not going to mention here. Well, I get there and hear three last songs from him. Got there 50 minutes too late. Ok, then I go to the bar to get me some beer. While I'm waiting there to get some service, this LOVELY looking girl, drunk as hell, comes next to me. And starts staring at me. I go all bonkers, Maybe she's interested in me? "You know, you remind me of this song", she says. Three songs instantly pop into my mind for some reason: 1) -Kylie Minogue: I should be so lucky. Cause she's lucky she saw me. 2) -Morrissey: Last of the famous international playboys. Pretty obvious, that one. 2) -Belinda Carslyle (or however her name is spelled): Heaven is a place on earth. Cause I'm nice and heaven is nice and I'm on earth and... Something. I know, sounds stupid, but that's how my mind sometimes works. I suggest these songs to her, but she shakes her head. "No. That new song by The Offspring, 'Pretty fly (for a white guy)'." Nice. I get my beer and go to the table where I tell my friend Aino about this. She laughs out loud. Too loud. "Well she kinda had a point!!!" Friendly fire. Some days just ain't it. I was wearing my darkblue jeans and study at stow t-shirt. Howcome she can say something like that??? The mysteries of life are endless. @-->-- love, jarkko fr�ntil�. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Fri Dec 4 12:36:04 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 04:36:04 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Fw: what men in stained raincoats pay for Message-ID: <002101be1f82$a9dd1340$2311020a@rebelstrange> -----Original Message----- From: RebelStrange To: sinister at majordomo.net" Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 4:34 AM Subject: what men in stained raincoats pay for >1st to (t)wee jay: you know it makes sense, isn't that a pulp thing from >somewhere? where is that from? damn boy i'm wracking my brains. oh and oh >and was that YOU making the vicious slurs? i hadn't even remembered who it >was, i was blinded to all facts by my outrage. i forgive you, but only >because i know you were trying your best to be brad, and we all know that >brad is the evil influence upon boys' folly-ridden minds everywhere, and you >can't be blamed for that. well at least i wasn't kicked off the sandlot >when i revealed my true nature.......a coldly calculating, castrating, >propaganda-spouting neo-old guard bitch. sign me lesley"it's a patriarchal >cultural construct!!' Jo >Can i use your quote about the gestalt anti-isobel? that was brilliant, you >get extra points for using the word gestalt. >i must admit i have not voted for crush yet i've just been mulling over. i >knew i had to vote for isobel, DUH. not that she needs much boosting in the >numbers of people drooling over her, but maybe i can be that special someone >who makes a difference. (YEA right!) i dont' know though, flattery CAN >get youeverywhere with me, i know someone who might be getting a vote just >for being a 'groovy' gal. >jess told me i have 4 votes, im surprised i have any, i'm puzzled by that, >but only because my life is so boring and loveless that any attention i get >is greedily lapped up. >*sigh* i just got my heavy vinyl, glossy covered twattybuss LP today. it's >just so beautiful. aside from the cover pciture itslef which i have never >liked, it's a lovely green, and it's gatefold, *ahh,* all the nice lyrics >are in, i feel like i'm back in the 80s' looking at my dads records. and >our own paul honey is thanked therein, a true part of RAWK posterity. what >i wouldn't give......*grr* BUT SOFT! what light is that, in 12 inch >glossy card stock gazing? it's isobel's starry eyes, and the gentle curve >of her pixy hands! i think i could stare at that for hours. now i know >i'll have to acquire one of those double sided flats, because i'd be afraid >to set my record up somewhere open to look at it, and with my luck it would >fall over and get mangled and then what, NO pretty picture to look at at >all. if you've never seen it in 12 glorious square inches, you haven't >lived, my friends. >"I do not ask my body to go "ring-a-ding ding" whenever she hits a high >note" > >Jamie sez, rather tantalizingly: >2. Be Smutty - Does anyone else get turned on, when they see B&S play live >and Isobel is looking really angry and unimpressed with something. That >look >she gives sends shivers down my spine. She knows she's georgous and she >loves >it !! Im sure she must have just come from a naughty photo shoot before the >Shephards Bush gig and didnt have time to change from her kinky school girl >outfit. >*********** >Me, me me!! i do i do i do. >i demand to see this mysterious school girl outfit. NOOOOOO!! *must--keep >head--from--exploding--* >can i use your scenario in my "Things Silly People have Said about Isobel" >section? i thought it was rather exciting. oh, how naughty we are! > >here's a concept--instead of WWJD(what would jesus do?) What would Stuart >Do? murdoch that is, stuart david frankly isn't familiar enough to me to >amuse me quite as highly, it's the naked truth. so come on people. Take >this scenario: Mummy is away from home for a christian women's conference. >you've just arrived back home from choir practice and pulled mummy's cookies >and milk out of the frigidaire, to settle in and watch some education >television, when you hear a rumpus down the hallway. being a naturally >curious lad, you tiptoe along to see what the fuss is, intent upon setting >it straight. Isobel and sarah are arguing viciously over an Arab strap >that they have dug out of your parent's closet. the battle is heating up as >plucky belle tears a nice chunk of sarah's hair out, and the tussling pair >are edging closer to mummy's treasured and fragile Hummel collection. worse >yet, Mummy warned youa bout these type of girls, and has forbidden such >tarts from the premises on the grounds tthat young wholesome studs have >better ways of expending their energies. You are torn between loyalty to >your dear old mother, and that icky 'down there' sensation that is beginning >to plague you when you catch a glimpse of belle's clever knees from under >that plaid skirt. suddenly, paul honey bursts in. "Aha! My Arab strap, >give that back you cheeky thieves." He has the cutest eyes, and the cutest >blue veins, that you have ever seen. >**************************WHAT WOULD STUART >DO????*************************** > Smut RDA: 46% > >visit chauncey and gertrude, please, i gave birth to them months before i >ever heard of tigermilk, yet they share a striking similarity in spirit to >our murdoch-pals Chelsea and Lisa. i think so. i knwo they are my children >and i love them anyway, but i can't help it, so sue me. >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4967/cg1.html >i have forgotten anything else i was going to say. oh yeah i did a thing >for mummy yesterday, and i got a gold star. i'm happy. (now where's that >kiss you promised?) > >lesley Jo > >"inch for inch and pound for pound, who needs boys when there's (Isobel) >around?" > > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin_horsfield at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 11:02:51 1998 From: martin_horsfield at xxx.com (Martin Horsfield) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 03:02:51 PST Subject: Sinister: list of fun Message-ID: <199812041102.DAA16133@law-f92.hotmail.com> Dear all, Martin here, back in good humour. Last night's gig at the Acoustic Caff was 100 times better than the night before. Indeed the night actually sold out (though Matinee made the princely sum of �8 from the door - listen guys, flyers are for handing in, not pinning to your kitchen wall). So now its down to some songwriting before our Poetry Caff outing in Feb and a Friday night headline at the Acoustic in March. Go to www.members.tripod.com/~the_embankment on Monday for some new pics, postings and, perhaps, smut. Right. Now I can cut back on the shameless self-publicity and concentrate on biscuit-munching meditations on Belle & Sebastian, love, lists and life. (By the way, can we guillotine the grammar debate, please? It's bad enough correcting spellings for a living, without having people do it to your personal thoughts. "As impersonal as a love letter from a sub-editor," was the only thing that uber-toff and Cosmopoltian's 4th placed woman of achievement (1996) Charlotte Eagar said that I could identify with in the short time that I worked for her this year.) I'm thoroughly enjoying list life at the moment, except for the lack of Courtney action. Love life's showing green shoots of recovery, too, after I got talking to a first year art student on the tube back from last night's gig. I'm not alone in falling in love with a different person every day on London's fabulous late-night transport network am I? B&S content shall unfortunately be restricted to buying Modern Rock Song in my lunch hour on Monday and playing it to death all week. Good to see the band getting their dues in Select magazine at last. Andy Perry and Roy Wilkinson must have beaten Chopper Harris into submission with the Arab Strap, as it were. I'm not a betting man, but after last week's 'death of youth culture' issue, it wouldn't surprise me if B&S made it to the cover of NME next week too, interview or not. In my brand new minidisc - bootlegs of Pink Floyd, circa Atom Heart Mother; ie slightly disturbing pastoral phase. Very interesting. Martin Horsfield, light headed PS/Sorry Gary. Course I know da'Rovers are a 1st Divsion side. I also remember how about twelve of you invaded the pitch and came into our end when we knocked you out of the Freight Rover around 1985. Still, you can't help but love a team that had Morrissey playing for them, can you? How could you let Ray Mathias come back to Wigan, though? That's two fucking great managers we've poached off you (though Bryan Hamilton's not that popular down Wigan way any more). PPS/Does anyone know why hotmail chops the end of all of my messages? ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frantila at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 13:23:09 1998 From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:23:09 EET Subject: Sinister: smash the whole closeminded heterosexual culture. Message-ID: <19981204112310.18472.qmail@hotmail.com> 50 minutes ago I was walking down the street wearing this ultracool (and rather funny!) shirt my gay friend made: "SMASH THE WHOLE CLOSEMINDED HETEROSEXUAL CULTURE." Well, this drunken woman shows up and somehow she sees what's written on my shirt. "You fag! God doesn't love people like you!" she yells at me. I was so surprised I just continued walking. I didn't even know people like that existed anymore. Now I'm thinking about all the things I could have said to her. My favourite now is: "Yeah? Well I bet God sure fancies you like hell." Any suggestions on what I could have said to her are appreciated. Needed. It's always annoying to think of something about a gazillion minutes after the incident has happened, but still, any ideas how I could have insulted her? @--->--- love is confusion, jake. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rheecy01 at xxx.edu Fri Dec 4 02:37:22 1998 From: rheecy01 at xxx.edu (pollyanna rhee) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 21:37:22 -0500 Subject: Sinister: out of my mind Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981204023722.0067381c@pop.wfu.edu> Hello all, This is my first post to the list, though I've been lurking for awhile now. I just decided to make myself known, for better or for worse. I don't quite remember how/when I started listening to B&S. I know that I'd heard a bit about the band and found a copy of IYFS in the used bin at a store in my hometown, over a year ago(?) I'm not sure, so we'll leave it at that. I've been a big Tindersticks & Nick Drake fan for a long time and I became curious when I heard B&S sounded similiar. I'm 19, I spend most of the year in North Carolina as I am trying to build some sort of an academic reputation for a few years, and I do indeed wear cardigans. The main purpose I'm writing this is because I'm procrastinating from my history paper, I think. A few of my friends here have been turned on to B&S through IYFS and TBWTAS, which I think is pretty cool. Though some of them tell me to turn it off when I'm driving which annoys me b/c I'd rather not listen to whatever they want to hear (I'm not an indie snob! I swear!) Okay, back to the working life of medieval women. Just wanted to say hello. -pollyanna +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Michael.Barrett at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 06:04:57 1998 From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.com (Michael Barrett) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:04:57 +0900 Subject: Sinister: Unloveable Message-ID: <016001be1f4c$07609be0$baa3002b@qasx6.sec.cpg.sony.co.jp> >I don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet, but as it seems to be along >similar lines to some of the lit so far mentioned "The Weirdstone of >Brisingamen" is unmitigated SHITE and I have ben scarred by its pompous, >pointless bland elf-wank since I was forced to read it when I was 9. Wow, flashback city (jee, I sound all American). I remember reading this book when I was 9 as well. I don't think I was made to, I think I was looking for something simlar to the Hobbit. I can't remember anything about it except, to paraphrase you, it was elf-shite. Good expression, by the way. I must use it more often. Since the "lurking 'Englishman in Tokyo' androgenous person with sixties footwear" person isn't mailing at the moment (go on, you know you want to), I must pass on the information that his local tube station is called 'gofukumachi'. Don't you just love a country that names it stations after insults. I am now looking for 'Sakodiko' and 'Urepishman'. Dilemma: Should I buy IYFS and TBWTAS here just because they have funky Japanese writing on the spine? Or is that being way too sad? >this sweet li'l american girl is headed to Glasgow next semester To get that authentic B&S feeling I recommed going out to Easterhouse and chatting to some of the locals. They really are a friendly bunch and always love to see Americans, whether they are wearing flares or not. There is a vibrant local poetry scene, so just ask directions to the nearest reading, and maybe bring some of your own! Michael +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Tjonrr at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 12:05:13 1998 From: Tjonrr at xxx.com (Tjonrr at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:05:13 EST Subject: Sinister: its not big, its not clever Message-ID: <25c161db.3667cff9@aol.com> as i am not clever enough to participate in your grammar thing i thought id send you this wee poem. Culture Vs Convention by Alison Kermack punctuation: ya Basturt ahll give ye fukn punk.choo;ay-shun, Daft Kunt. I ah ken itsa SEE ah ken that... dinny tokty ME aboot fukn spelln. arsehole. whidjimeen noa proper sentins, whot, fukn GRAMMAR noo izzit fer fuxake. Aw sorry pal, izma langwich butherin ye? I well naebdy tolt ye then its awrite. its awrite see cozzam rytin a fukn poyum. from tjohn "and mickey turns to me and says: shirley,dont worry. as long as you stick to what you believe in, every thing you want will come to you." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From AEvans at xxx.uk Fri Dec 4 12:08:51 1998 From: AEvans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:08:51 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Merseyside Derby.... Message-ID: <25CC9C11BD12D111BA5500805F8B63691C7CC9@COR-EXG1> A contradiction in terms, don't you think ? Gary spouted : ~~ As for Clinton Hill, are there any other second division footballers who share their names with parts of the US? I think we should be told. OI, we're a first division side if you don't mind, second class maybe, but first division. Anyway, I hear that there is someone called Flushing Meadows playing for Mansfield reserves. ~~ There aren't, I've checked...but your keeper is not unlike the Statue of Liberty at times....boom boom. Serious McRobert offered : ~~ Oh sure, it's a good laugh, but it's also a sure-fire way of inflating inflatable egos, inspiring desperate "notice me" posts, and giving the more insecure an inferiority complex. And I seriously doubt that anyone's got a shag out of it. So what's the point, other than a popularity competition? ~~ I'm afraid Tag is right Stuart....well I'm not afraid, only of Kevan. There is far too much voting and not enough shagging going on round here. Perhaps now we have established on at least forty-seven occasions that "x" likes "y" and "a" wants to give "c" one up the jacksy, I feel something more along the lines of a matchmaking website is in order so that people can find out who likes them and whether or not they want to do something about it.... or go do something less boring instead.. sittingathomewatchingtvturnitoffsnogoodtome. Jamie wrist-action shuffled : ~~ I find pleasure from writing obseneties backwards on a steamed up window busses on my early trips to work. ~~ Wayhay, I sure am glad I'm not the only sad juvenile twat round here. Unfortunately I drive these days, and writing on your own car window doesn't quite grab the same audience as on a bus....plus you have to clean the grubby paw-prints off yourself. Adrian. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin_horsfield at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 13:50:52 1998 From: martin_horsfield at xxx.com (Martin Horsfield) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 05:50:52 PST Subject: Sinister: Docklands Blues from a Docklands blue Message-ID: <19981204135052.25357.qmail@hotmail.com> Me again, Carrick: congratulations on giving the definitive CS Lewis answer. The bus reference was particularly well spotted. I think our list will go down in the annals (hur hur, eh Duke) of music crit history for being the first set of people not to resort to the 'They sound a bit like Love, Nick Drake and The Smiths, you know?' stock answer when discussing B&S. Now we can all chuck CS Lewis into the mix with confidence. Hurrah. Hats off also for the v. funny 'She and Me' punchline in the same digest. Even more arch than Amelia's original connundrum. Now then, it's just occured to me that in having a player called Morrissey and in being central to the very existence of Half Man Half Biscuit, Gary's beloved Tranmere Rovers are THE indie football team. Unless you know better, of course... For all of Richard Ashcroft's efforts, my team Wigan Athletic has never had such cachet, except for having a couple of supporters who still rock top, baggy haircuts. These Floyd bootlegs I'm listening to today are great. I'm onto the post 'Wish You Were Here' years now and have a very fine recording of Roger Waters camply complaining to the set designers on the The Wall tour that they're 'cheating'. (Imagine him, hands on hips, chest puffed out, going 'Wall builders, wall builders. Stop buliding The Wall. You're cheating now...') But there remain two problems with working in Docklands (beside the obvious ones): indie T-shirt types are rarer than rocking horse droppings around these parts and there are about four steros and three computer games playing at the same time in this office I'm in. This might explain my 'interrupt mode' style postings. One good thing, though: you can look across the wharf and watch the odd cormorant perching outside the buliding. Who knows, maybe I'll get a shag by the end of the day. Martin Horsfield, tw ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From withnail67 at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 13:57:50 1998 From: withnail67 at xxx.com (Stephen Boyle) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 05:57:50 PST Subject: Sinister: Gomez, Auteurs, Pale Fountains Message-ID: <19981204135751.10863.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello All, Greetings from 65 degree springlike weather in NYC. Sorry to all in the Isles, probably dreary, huh? I would like some help sorting out some of this new stuff. As B & S, have in recent years reminded me, the music is out there we just have to (know where to)look. My New Years resolution is to reintroduce myself (and my very weary mates)to as much as possible. B & S seems to have done the trick for a while but now my appetite is as strong as it was after we first heard the Smiths, the Commotions, Aztec Camera, Bluebells, etc. BTW I know the Pale Fountains are older but I have never found any of their cds and i heard a compilation is (coming) out. Any Chameleons fans out there. Please help, Steve ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elephantstone at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 14:18:10 1998 From: elephantstone at xxx.com (Rob ASH) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 06:18:10 PST Subject: Sinister: Twee goings on Message-ID: <19981204141832.24997.qmail@hotmail.com> hello there, my name's rob, although I've been subscribing to the list for a coupla weeks now this is the first time I've actually sent something. The other day I happened upon a really great 24 track CD compilation of loads of Twee bands, the names of which I cannot recall, and it wouldn't matter if I listed them 'cause they're all really obscure ('though I can remember The Duglessettes, white town, and fluf, fluff, fluff, fluff, fluff and cuddle). anyway, 24 tracks at the bargain price of 1.99 courtesy of my local SCOPE charity shop. (y'know they used to be called the spastics society but that weren't cool so they changed the name, so kids now call each other scopes instead of spastics, so I've been told by my mate's younger brother) I also found some old Creation compilations, loads of pastels, felt, house of love and similarly twee indie goin's on. Methinks I'm goin' crazy, how much twee can one person take, I mean at the moment its all I listen to. Maybe I'll have some kind of adverse reaction and suddenly start liking korn, marilyn manson, deftones, coal chamber, metallica, etc, etc... just like one of my mates did, he used to be a big B&S fan but somehow almost overnight turned into a greaser, taking all his fey indiennonsense to mistersecond hand record shop and trading it in for something with a bit more kkkkkrunch. (a cautionary tale I feel....) well, I better go now... hugs and cuddles to you all, rob * wot I am listening to at the moment: the tap tap of computers as many lazy students attempt to type up their essays for 4:00PM today. wot I'm listening to on my knackered stereo: nu boo's LP field mice compliation creation compilations roddy frame 'reason for living' mercury rev 'goddess on a highway' SFA 'outspaced' ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From WarranderJ at xxx.uk Fri Dec 4 14:42:06 1998 From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:42:06 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Ready Steady Go Message-ID: <51F7EB9834B0D011B56C0000F8303B00426244@gateway.finnigan.co.uk> Hello All, The lovely Anne from Glasgow sent me the URL for a top pop web site called "Ready Steady Go" which has lots of nice pieces about many wonderful bands including the truly magical "Sagittarius" and "Millennium". These were the brain childs of pop genius Curt Boettcher with the multi-talented Gary Usher lending a helping hand. If you haven't got any Sagittarius or Millennium records and you love "Pet Sounds" then I'd have a quick read of the Curt Boettcher article then swiftly make your way to CDNow who have reissues of "Present Tense" and "Begin", both of which are absolutely sumptuous and a snip at whatever price they're selling at. The site's well worth a visit and can be found at: http://freespace.virgin.net/paul.ritchie/readysteadygo.html There's also a Gainsbourg article which includes a quote from our hero about the naughty Frenchman: Stuart Murdoch of Britain's most poetic new band BELLE and SEBASTIAN remembers how he first discovered Gainsbourg. "I was listening to John Peel and heard Bardot singing this wild motorcycle hymn "Harley Davidson." I can't speak French but I taught myself how to sing it and play it on the piano. My flatmate at that time was a French scholar and he would bring French friends round and they would laugh hearing me singing this great French song in such a funny Scottish/French accent. I got this compilation next and although I couldn't understand the words it was filled with these amazingly different sonic sensations." Also, Norwegian pop funsters "Kings of Convenience" will be playing an acoustic set downstairs at The Star and Garter in Manchester tomorrow. I think it's probably free to get in and I have it on good authority that they are wonderful. Not sure when it all starts, but it finishes at 11pm and there's two bands (the other lot are "Alfie", a local band from Salford) so nothing much will happen before 9pm I'd guess. The End Love...John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Fri Dec 4 14:45:40 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:45:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Introducing Piers Dinkle & Lars Melons Message-ID: <01be1f94$c35b1620$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Can I have Keith and Tag's crush votes please, seeing as the miserable sods don't want them? What's all this about Pete Wylie? All things being equal, Rastas say "I and I", not "I am I". Something to do with their oneness with God, or somesuch voodoo jiggery pokery. All grammar questions (except that one) are covered by grammar or style books, such as The Penguin Dictionary of Troublesome Words by Bill Bryson, which has the advantage of being quite funny at times. It clears up Amelia Gosh's problem before you can say "he's my beatnik boy, he makes me jump for joy". Rasta talk usually occupies a quick glossary type thing at the back of any reggae book, including smutty stuff, known as "slackness". Bill Bryson, isn't that the bloke who goes for walks and writes books about them? Unless great misfortune befalls me before then, I shall be introduced to the delicate magic of Hefner in concert this evening. This is how they are discribed in the advertising thingy: Aurten "Breaking God's Heart" lanarekin estrainatu den hirukotea, pop, folk, country eta soul musikak nahasten dituzten albuna hain zuzen. Beste talde batzuen eragina ere izan dute Beach Boys, Pavement eta Violent Femmes taldeena adibidez. Hefner-en kantari bizikidetza sexuala du Stuart Murdoch-ekin, Belle eta Sebastian-en kantari eta kantagile gay-a. So that should be good. They look like a bunch of grinning ninnies in the photo, and one of them's trying to get his willy out. There's an internet address if anyone's interested: http://www.gipuzkoa.net/gaztemaniak Has anyone answered the listees with children question yet? Off the top of my head, David Moore of Cheltenham UK not only has children, he even allows his daughter to have a boyfriend. dangerously liberal, I feel. Someone, I think it was David/Ruth, was talking about taking a newborn sprog to the London concert. Many moons ago someone's mum was on the list, if you remember they had to accompany their offspring to the NYC Sessions at West 54th or whatever. And who could forget the comforting presence of Big Arthur Bergman? I sent an anecdote to Neil, but it appears to have been rejected. Piers Dinkle and Lars Melons are a Scandinavian detective duo, like Starsky and Hutch, only gay. It needs a bit of work, but I think this idea could be my ticket to the big time. Gary, could you call your next message "99% of Gargoyles Look Like Bob Todd" please? Sister Disco PS: Charlotte, I've done your tape. I just need to road test it now. Also I was going to insinuate that you were up the duff (at the end of that bit about list children), but decided against it in case you got even more angry with me than you probably are already. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at Fri Dec 4 15:02:39 1998 From: Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at (Vanessa R. Siegl) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:02:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Homphobes Message-ID: <71A44A1B8B@s06user2.uibk.ac.at> >shirt my gay friend made: "SMASH THE WHOLE >CLOSEMINDED HETEROSEXUAL CULTURE." Well, this drunken woman shows up >and somehow she sees what's written on my shirt. >.............................. >Needed. It's always annoying to think of something about a gazillion >minutes after the incident has happened, but still, any ideas how I >could have insulted her? OOOhh my goodness people like that ... I was actually out for a drink this morning with my mate and as soon as the waiter left our table m,y mate turned to me and told me he thought the waiter was gay didn't I agree .... I never know what to say to these things really ... but then again words won't change a thing most of the time ... love vanxxx _____________________________________________________ Forgive me for I have not sinned csaa7950 at uibk.ac.at _gapminder at yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From C.Wyplosz at xxx.uk Fri Dec 4 15:11:53 1998 From: C.Wyplosz at xxx.uk (Wyplosz,C) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:11:53 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Mogwai Message-ID: <116DF9642B30D1119D530000F800DC37021ADC9E@exchs3.lse.ac.uk> Is anyone going to the Mogwai (and other bands) gig in LOndon on January 23 at the Astoria? I'm going and wouldn't mind meeting a few listees. Clem +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Fri Dec 4 15:23:46 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:23:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: put your clothes on and stand in the doorway! Message-ID: That's what I was shouting to Anders, my Danish fiance this morning at 4:16 am, as I assumed the role of the experienced Californian and guided him through his first earthquake. It lasted about 5 seconds or so and sounded like two teams of wild horses were simultaneously running over our roof and underneath the floor, I think that we were right next to the epicenter. It's always scary just after an earthquake because you don't know when the aftershocks are going to come and all you can do is sit and listen to the radio. This morning's event had no aftershocks, but it was nervewracking going back to bed because there is a heavy stained glass window right above our heads and countless framed prints all around our bed (this was not my decorating disaster - we're subletting). We listened to KPFA - the Berkeley community radio station a bit - but their D'J's were just making fun of it "yet another little hiccup in the pregnant California fault lines, as we all sit around waiting impatiently for the big one to strike us down," or something like that. They tell me the next big one's going to hit the midwest. Great. Anders and I are moving to Michigan in two weeks. Ciao, the shakin yank Heather Marie Propes asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Martin_Conneely at xxx.ie Fri Dec 4 14:49:40 1998 From: Martin_Conneely at xxx.ie (Martin_Conneely at xxx.ie) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:49:40 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Never had a nickname (except Joey Deacon and I didn't like it) Message-ID: <802566D0.004B6420.00@finance.irlgov.ie> 1. Joey Deacon (the artist formerly known as Nick Dastoor) wrote: "<> Weren't there lots of news items last year about the UK Child Support Agency hounding and persecuting absent fathers who weren't supporting their children. Even fathers who hardly had the wherewithal to support themselves. Maybe that Agency has taken on that Joey Deacon as a bounty hunter. Should UK males beware before anwering the question? 2, Also, <> Here goes with the weaving: Seamus thought that "eugene kelley was no good at all", which was why I found it so hard to find the message when I searched for kelly with one "e" :). He played support for Superstar in Dublin last Tuesday, so I had to miss the CS Lewis programme as I hoped Eugene K would do some songs from Eugenius: "Mary Queen of Scots". IMHO, it's one of the best LPs ever: pure melody and a beautful voice (IYFS would be No. 1). He did his best for the 25 of us who were there when he started but I suppose he thought we had never heard of him. Sorry I couldn't make the weaving magical. 3. I was away from the list for a few weeks and never saw the outcome of the "dose of thrush while licking railings" LLPJ controversy. In the west of Ireland, we used to talk of giving a door, say, a "lick of paint". If that usage carried into Scots (which could easily happen)it would just mean that she got a dose of thrush while painting railings. Maybe she just got in the way of some thrush-shit while painting those railings. Would that solve it all? Martin C. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Fri Dec 4 16:19:41 1998 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (WeeJay) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:19:41 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Whatafoolami Message-ID: <199812041613.QAA15414@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> A little ink polaroid taken on the way here: This is me standing sheepishly next to an old ruin in the middle of town with my palm being read by a gypsy girl who just sold me a sprig of heather. She's got a glasss crystal thing in my hand and is telling me a lot of things that are patently obvious - I'm afraid of what people think (the way I'm hiding in a corner and avoiding her eye) and that I'm (hands covered in calouses and general look of having been up all night writing) a 'creative' person... Actually, you can tell from the picture that I'm unaware of the ridiculousness of the situation because I clearly have a huge crush on her and am about to hand her more money than I can afford. I was conned alright... At least she didn't call me 'Madam' like 2 big issue vendors on the same route... Well at least I've learned my lesson now and I will try to avoid her gaze (*sigh*) in future... "Tell us about your life..." - Ok, I'll tell you about last night. We sat and drank at extortionate prices in the Union bar - That would be me, one of my bands '$tolen Grand' and a boy from my halls who is the spitting image of Alanis Morrisette (You have to see it to believe it). We talked about music, matches, nail varnish, the session they'd just had in the studio, but mostly how we all were in love with the barmaid who looks like Shirley Manson. On the way out Dan called her Shirley and she turned to the other barmaid and said 'Why did he call me Shirley?' We went back to Natalie (bass)'s flat and drank her alcopops and felt smug when we saw that she posessed a 'Savage Garden' CD. Then there was a fire alarm and we had to vacate the building. Natalie dropped lots of hints so we left her and a now almost comatose Dan alone in her room... She hasn't got a chance though, what with dan's 'unfailing loyalty' and all that... I'm sure that would have been better as a few ink polariods itself but I'm afraid I really couldn't be bothered.... talking of which, the ink polaroid site on jeepster hasn't been updated since it was put up and we've had some good ones since then. What's going on, people? Where are they now (people who haven't posted recently): Fluffy Sarah, Honey Paul, Philippe? Hey, only asking. Nick Dastoor claims falsely that he's never had a nickname. Nick, we all know that it's Nick Dastardly. I'd like to have a list hug but I'm not going to because I can't bring myself to touch brad. He smells of sweat and blood. Vanessa said: > OOOhh my goodness people like that ... I was actually out for a > drink this morning with my mate and as soon as the waiter left > our table m,y mate turned to me and told me he thought the > waiter was gay didn't I agree .... I never know what to say to > these things really ... but then again words won't change a thing > most of the time ... Hmmmn, last night, as above, Natalie attempted to persuade me that I'm bisexual. She insisted that I fancied Jarvis Cocker. I don't think so though... It's pretty rare for me to get an attachment to a man in that way... although I don't see how you're not going to get slightly interested by listening to 'Sheffield: Sex City' well,.... I've joined jesicaxo's Twee Socks club like a good boy... Well, I've tried to at least. That yahoo thing is so bloody minded and beauraeucratic...! I'll try again now, but as yet I havent been able to actually log on. That's enough for now. I'm going to make a little sign for my door that says 'WeeJay lives here.' I was going to try and get a better picture of myself up, but I cant be arsed... it's a lot of bother. if anyone wants to see it I'll put it up but you probably don't. *Yawn* WeeJay xxxxxxxxxxxxx In my pockets: Cardfile, loose change, keys, bottle opener, gold nail varnish, emery boards, diary, disks, pen, note of unsmutty content. James at twopounds.u-net.com "I know there's a lot of bass players in the audience tonight, I know living amongst the constructions that the people in power have built doesn't feel so right" mAKE UP - "We Can't Be Contained" http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/ (Which will no longer crash your computer. Hopefully.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Fri Dec 4 16:18:35 1998 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:18:35 +0000 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Life is absurd Message-ID: HI!!!!! After such a long and fruitful discussion about greatest shagging hits in this list, when my first snogging-with-clothes-on with someone also in the list takes place, it is in complete silence. Not soundtrack at all. I am afraid none of us learnt very much from that lecture. Now , I think I would have chosen 'underwear', (seminaked in somebody else's room...) The Pastels are playing in Nott. next Thursday with Marine Research. I don't know these latter , but have been told they are good.Let's see!Someone in the list is interested in listening to my friend's band, Bob Tilton, I will have to ask him a dinner because of my work as volunteer PR.And I have calculated sucessfully Helium ground state. And 'Henry Fool'is finally opening tomorrow here. Friday 4th November deserves a poem, at least. Leslie Jo : you are wrong about who has the cutest blue veined arms , sorry very much... Optimistically yours and looking eagerly to travel in trams Arantzazuko -> my true full , Basque name Agur ta gero arte., Mr P Miller +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mars at xxx.net Fri Dec 4 16:28:03 1998 From: mars at xxx.net (M R McDonald) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:28:03 -0800 Subject: Sinister: I'M PUTTING AN END TO THAT STUPID GRAMMAR THING HERE, SO READ THIS. References: <19981204085748.23453.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <36680D93.6FA2412A@pe.net> Jarkko Fräntilä wrote: > ABOUT GRAMMAR: > > Ok, fist (hahahahha...sigh) things first. This is a fact now. The form > > people use today is, as you all well know, "It is me", not "It is I". You can certainly "get away" with saying "It is me" in casual contexts. In fact, in most situations it might even be impolite to insist upon "It is I." All the same, the credited response, e.g., in a SAT test or something of that nature, remains "It is I." Whatever form of the expression you actually USE, you're expected to know the difference!! mars at pe.net +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cchaffin at xxx.org Fri Dec 4 16:24:43 1998 From: cchaffin at xxx.org (Christa Chaffinch) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:24:43 -0500 Subject: Sinister: dundee on the tv Message-ID: Wednesday night on the quiz show "Jeopardy" Dundee, Scotland, was one of the answers. in the question, er, i mean answer, they said it was a steel town. i was wondering if that is one of the reasons why it has a "reputation" as being a rather dank place? here in the US, towns and cities that are traditionally "industrial" with steel mills, or car factories, or mines, have a sort of gray and sad essence to them, and aren't exactly hotbeds of art and culture. well, that isn't as much the case now as it was say, 25 years ago, but the "reputation" still follows these places. in light of the past discussions on the working class, and Dundee, etc. this seemed relevant to me. anyhoo, i was just wondering. christa in my stomach: pineapple, strawberries, and 'lemon lift' tea +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ETLRDHY at xxx.se Fri Dec 4 16:37:29 1998 From: ETLRDHY at xxx.se (ETLRDHY at xxx.se) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 16:37:29 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Blatant flaunting of the no B&S content rule.... Message-ID: <002566D0.005AFF32.00@notes.ericsson.se> Does anyone know if the Pastels are playing Brighton?????? Last time i saw them in Leeds I got into a discussion with Aggi about heavy metal before asking her the autograph me with a lipstick, MEAWHILE my mate was off snogging Stephen Pastel!!!!!!!!!! Lord Richard ov Rotherham +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mayfly8 at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 17:23:31 1998 From: mayfly8 at xxx.com (K Fraser) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:23:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Lost without it. . . Message-ID: <19981204172331.9090.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Hello Kiddies I know you all must be terribly bored with this request by now but alas, I must... would someone be so kind as to make a tape of Tigermilk for me?? Around these parts, its awfully hard to come by. I've been lurking here long enough to know that I am missing out by not having it in my collection and from the looks of it, it may be a long while before we see it here in Canada. Thanks alot! Kristin _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kellym at xxx.com> Fri Dec 4 17:16:54 1998 From: kellym at xxx.com> (kellym at xxx.com>) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:16:54 -0800 Subject: Sinister: i am not an aeroplane Message-ID: <199812041719.JAA09344@macbeth.ienet.com> this morning: bad house music playing from god knows where, indie rock critic wearing a purple leather jacket, lots of water to nurse my head, not too much smog but a few clouds, missed my bus- had to wait twenty minutes, a fresh paper cut i don't remember getting, cheap digital watch stopped working, no will to do anything productive, mom called to tell of my celestial prophecy, feel like shit and want to go back to bed. -kelly ryan mcguire +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keithmcl at xxx.net Fri Dec 4 17:57:54 1998 From: keithmcl at xxx.net (keith m) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:57:54 -0500 Subject: Sinister: b&s not for the autistic Message-ID: <366822A1.DC898A2A@bignet.net> hi, my friend holly is an occupational therapy student(hey just like stevie jackson) and at the moment she is focusing on music therapy to help autistic children communicate better with the world and well she mostly uses classical music but some days she tries popular music. the kids are encouraged to play along or follow the music, not sure how it works cause she is in virginia and i am not:) anyhow i guess belle and sebastian is not all that effective because of the docile nature of the music and the lack of abrupt changes in the music, apparently more bombastic material like the 1812 overture or deeply rhythmic music works best. ok that was pointless but it is my first ever post on topic. my fave records this year? mark hollis' record is the only masterpiece(in my opinion) and it is probably not for the autistic either as it is the quietest record of the year surely. my other faves(in sad generic list fashion)-neutral milk hotel, hefner, simon joyner,pram, push kings,minders,godzuki,his name is alive,gorky's zygotic mynci, skypark,denver,cessna,algebra spaghetti,quickspace,boos, and b&s:) keith mcl bands for 99-my favorite and cloudboy +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Fri Dec 4 17:59:13 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:59:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: kids toda Message-ID: I like Belle and Sebastian a lot, and I like "pop" a lot. It's a witty, funny, and romantic musical genre. Yet, just reading around the list and learning more about this movement, I am amazed at how contrary it seems to any youth movemnt I have ever known. My dad is a collector of 1950's American rock 'n' roll. With over 30,000 records and 5 books published, I consider him something of an expert. He tells me about the 1950's and 60's movements, when rock-n-roll kids were troublesome, rebellious, leather and ragged demin wearing monsters. Later, the movements I followed, punk, new wave, and "death rock" were always outwardly subversive. Political or "Shocking" lyrics (Crass, Gang of Four, The Damned, Bauhaus) and extremely "apocalyptic" looks (pointy boots and black hair) were de rigeur. To be called "pop" was equivalent to death. It was worse, embarrassment. This is what I consider to be so interesting about this movement, it's niceness. Please, someone, explain this to me. Are the hugs, fuzzy sweaters, comeraderie with one's parents all a symbol of a greater cultural fear of the millenial unknown, or is this for real? I love the music, but I'd like to solve the mystery of the seemingly docile youth who follow it. Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Fri Dec 4 18:00:01 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:00:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: that was "kids today" Message-ID: oops! I'm at work and I have no time. http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Anastasia_Signoretta at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 18:20:48 1998 From: Anastasia_Signoretta at xxx.com (Anastasia Signoretta) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:20:48 EST Subject: Sinister: kids toda Message-ID: heather and everyone else, hiya popkids. i think i've mentioned before on this list that youth movements fascinate me (or maybe i haven't i forget). so of course i'm responding to heather's thoughts for the day. i think something we need to decide before we discuss this any further is this: is 'pop,' as heather called it, a 'movement'? it certainly is *not* a movement, i think, in the same way the mods, the rockers, the punks, the teddy boys and even the ravers were movements...all of those youth groups were rebelling against something, be it politcal circumstances or just their parents' values. which brings up the next necessity of this discussion: let's define 'pop'. i assume heather meant 'indiepop' when she wrote that, but these days there are so many classifications and so many genres and even the same words mean different things depending on which country you're in (like the word 'indie, ' for example). now, if we're talking about indie rawk kids in america, then i guess we can say they are rebelling against corporate music, and in turn rebelling against the mainstream. but indie kids in britain are entirely different kinds of fuzzy sweater wearers, now aren't they? a lot of 'indie' bands in britain are signed to big corporate labels, so in what way are indie kids in britain part of any kind of movement? the thing is, to me it seems that kids these days don't have much to rebel against, and therefore the 'movements' (if you can call them that) that they 'subscribe' to don't tend to 'embody' their whole lives or styles or lifestyles. when you were a mod you were a MOD, it's who you were and it was what you were about. in my experience, indie rawk kids half the time don't even want to admit that they belong to any kind of subculture, cos they are too busy denying its existance at all, too busy being 'innovative individuals.' ooh, better stop...i feel i'm about to get snippy. but yes, here's my question: do we think these movements exist at all anymore, or even have any reason to? i think these subcultures exist, but the things that motivate them, if there even are any motivations, are completely different than the motivations of the groups are parents belonged to. *sigh* okay, enough from me... cheers, stasia ------------- Original Text >From "Heather Marie Propes" , on 12/4/98 1:00 PM: I like Belle and Sebastian a lot, and I like "pop" a lot. It's a witty, funny, and romantic musical genre. Yet, just reading around the list and learning more about this movement, I am amazed at how contrary it seems to any youth movemnt I have ever known. My dad is a collector of 1950's American rock 'n' roll. With over 30,000 records and 5 books published, I consider him something of an expert. He tells me about the 1950's and 60's movements, when rock-n-roll kids were troublesome, rebellious, leather and ragged demin wearing monsters. Later, the movements I followed, punk, new wave, and "death rock" were always outwardly subversive. Political or "Shocking" lyrics (Crass, Gang of Four, The Damned, Bauhaus) and extremely "apocalyptic" looks (pointy boots and black hair) were de rigeur. To be called "pop" was equivalent to death. It was worse, embarrassment. This is what I consider to be so interesting about this movement, it's niceness. Please, someone, explain this to me. Are the hugs, fuzzy sweaters, comeraderie with one's parents all a symbol of a greater cultural fear of the millenial unknown, or is this for real? I love the music, but I'd like to solve the mystery of the seemingly docile youth who follow it. Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Fri Dec 4 18:51:17 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:51:17 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: kids toda In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stasia wrote: > ooh, better stop...i feel i'm about to get snippy. but yes, here's my > question: do we think these movements exist at all anymore, or even have > any reason to? i think these subcultures exist, but the things that > motivate them, if there even are any motivations, are completely different > than the motivations of the groups are parents belonged to. > Don't worry about sounding snippy, Anastasia. I wrote that somewhat tendencious(sp?)-sounding message to inspire discussion. Snippy discussion is better than none at all! Heather +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shop at xxx.uk Fri Dec 4 18:56:34 1998 From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 18:56:34 +0000 Subject: Sinister: merchandise, records and little packages drooping through your letterbox Message-ID: <36683062.9DB8959B@jeepster.co.uk> well, after a couple of incredible days of having records and shirts piled high around the office we've managed to get every order into the post. the only things left are a few posters and mugs which will follow obediently on monday. so for all you lucky people who ordered the new ep and other stuff, it's all on it's way :) and to everyone else and all the people who have bought stuff over the past year, thank you. you help support the label and band and that can only be good (can't it?). cheers david you'll probably hear from us before we jump on the plane to oz (less than a week to go!), but if not, well, have a cool christmas :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- david kitchen : jeepster recordings ltd http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/salako/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/snowpatrol/ mailto:shop at jeepster.co.uk jeepster recordings ltd, 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london w10 5bn to subscribe to the news mailing list mail majordomo at jeepster.co.uk with the words 'subscribe news' in the body of the message there is no need to subscribe if you are on the 'sinister' list +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From NeilD at xxx.uk Fri Dec 4 18:53:10 1998 From: NeilD at xxx.uk (Neil Dewhurst) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:53:10 -0000 Subject: Sinister: The death of she and me. Message-ID: <704AE307AB53D2119EE300805F7DF755E43B@NCMSERVER> People seem to be having trouble using "she and me" in a sentence. Of all the ungrammatical sentences I know, such as "we am the goodest", "she and me made love listening to Belle and Sebastian" is without doubt my favourite. So there you have it - not one but two sentences featuring the impossible construction. In my CD player: it doesn't matter because it refuses to play almost anything. By the way, I bought The Acid House yesterday - top marks to B&S (Or Belle And Sebastion) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Sarah.Thew at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 09:24:04 1998 From: Sarah.Thew at xxx.com (Thew Sarah) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:24:04 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Kid's Stuff Message-ID: Hooray I really like all this kids books stuff, but my absolute favourites were the series of books by Ursula Le Guin about Earthsea, I re read the first one last year and it's still ace. I think she's really a grown-up author, but ive never read any of those books. Does anyone know what theyre like? I've heard rumours of not good sci-fi which worries me. Did anyone else notice in the Independent on Sunday a couple of weeks ago that the cookery section suggested that your cooking might well be improved by listening to Belle and Sebastian.. does this mean we can expect a band appearence on Ready Steady Cook? Has anyone been listening to the Grandaddy album? They remind me of Pavement, with a bit of Neil Young chucked in for good measure. I dont think the album is exactly hard to come by but if someone wanted to swap tapes and send me some looper stuff that'd be fab. I met some school kids on the way to work this morning, ..we were playing at sliding on the ice, i didnt land on my arse AND I was late for work... result. Sarahx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Anastasia_Signoretta at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 20:09:54 1998 From: Anastasia_Signoretta at xxx.com (Anastasia Signoretta) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:09:54 EST Subject: Sinister: brilliant advertising Message-ID: hiya, just wanted to comment on the utterly pretentious and completely brilliant ad for belle and sebastian records on the back inside page of this month's select. i lurved it. now, the crap thing is, i went to the bank with my copy of the mag and absentminded me ended up leaving it on the deposit slip counter. :( stasia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kwl96 at xxx.edu Fri Dec 4 20:06:43 1998 From: kwl96 at xxx.edu (azrael) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:06:43 -0500 Subject: Sinister: smash the whole closeminded heterosexual culture. In-Reply-To: <19981204112310.18472.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 8:23 -0500 12/4/98, Jarkko Fr”ntil” wrote: (snip) [ ["You fag! God doesn't love people like you!" she yells at me. (snip) [Any suggestions on what I could have said to her are appreciated. [Needed. It's always annoying to think of something about a gazillion [minutes after the incident has happened, but still, any ideas how I [could have insulted her? [ [@--->--- love is confusion, jake. [ well, you could have just touched her and yelled "you've got gay!!!!" and then run away laughing. that's what i would have done. -kerry "i dare you to take me on. i dare you to show me your palms. i'm so bored of cowards . . ." -bjork, "5 years" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 20:14:29 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 20:14:29 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Kid's Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981204201429.007b09c0@mail.u-net.com> Thew Sarah wrote: > >Hooray I really like all this kids books stuff, but my absolute favourites >were the series of books by Ursula Le Guin about Earthsea, I re read the >first one last year and it's still ace. I think she's really a grown-up >author, but ive never read any of those books. Does anyone know what theyre >like? I've heard rumours of not good sci-fi which worries me. More books, sorry, but we're just SO literate on this list..guess what, I also read a lot of Ursula Le Guin when I was littler, the Earthsea trilogy was fantastic...so, here's another URL of a page you can look at... http://www.wenet.net/~lquilter/femsf/authors/leguin/ I did read one of her Scifi stories once, I can't remember it but I remember thinking "this is dull". Stick with A Wizard Of Earthsea, The Tombs Of Atuan and The Farthest Shore. They really are great stuff. JJ xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bkim0 at xxx.edu Fri Dec 4 18:10:34 1998 From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:10:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Felt ain't twee!!! Message-ID: <199812041810.NAA49176@dept.english.upenn.edu> I can't remember who wrote it...Robert? Someone found a lot of records in a store including the Pastels, House of Love and Felt...and proceeded to call all of them 'twee.' If I may say so, I disagree with that assessment. I think that Felt are one of the most un-twee bands *ever* to be embraced by the indiepopnoscenti, if only for Lawrence's disturbingly Lou Reed vs. Bob Dylan voice and their aesthetic in general. The early stuff is almost 4AD-like really, looking at the record sleeves and listening to M. Deebank's snaky guitar. Almost like the Cocteau Twins with less effects. Plus some of those songs are really, really long and complex. And the musicianship is top-notch. And there's reverb, dammit!:) Not a flame, just a personal opinion. I never feel like bouncing my head and singing along giddily when listening to Felt...except for maybe "Rain of Crystal Spires" and other Martin Duffy-era stuff. I've said it before, I'll say it again Xavier -- BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0 at dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SANDRAD at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 19:43:46 1998 From: SANDRAD at xxx.com (Sandra Duric) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:43:46 -0500 Subject: Sinister: kids toda Message-ID: <01BE1F94.81B69500@SANDRA> Ooops, sorry, pretty damn long - apologies! Hello all, Now, this is a lot more interesting than my morning woes of ripping apart our company web site and begging the internet service provider to tell me why I can't FTP! Is "pop" a movement? What is a movement? How do you define "pop"? And whether or not "kids today" have anything to rebel against? And can you even really call Belle & Sebastian pop? (my question - where do they file B&S in YOUR record shops?) Anastasia wrote: "I think something we need to decide before we discuss this any further is this: is 'pop", as heather called it, a 'movement'? it certainly is *not* a movement, I think, in the same way the mods..." Personally, I don't think a movement has to be about rebellion/politics. It can just be a group of people quietly affecting the world in small, but significant ways. I mean, if you think about Belle & Sebastian's lyrics, they are critiquing society's values as we live it today. Granted, the sweetness of the music doesn't immediately make you aware of the implications of what they are really saying - for example, Seymour Stein - isn't that a tongue in cheek criticism of the major label industry? And "Century of Fakers"?? The title says it all! Now, I'm not saying Belle & Sebastian are a movement - you need more than one band to do that; you need a whole bunch who fall into the same ideals and beliefs as them. I can't think of any as my mind is mired in HTML thoughts, but I've had the impression for the last 2 years that a certain honesty and thoughtfulness prevails in most of the "indie" music I listen to. It reminds me of the classic folk songs of the 60s that we all know but don't really remember the bands or the titles, like Dylan and Simon and Garfunkel and the Moody Blues. So, is there a change, a movement? I personally think so. Although, we'll know when commercial radio finally catches on and that may not happen for quite a while. As for what is "pop" and are Belle & Sebastian considered pop? Hmm, I don't think labels are all that important, unless you work at HMV or Virgin, and even then, I always thought alphabetizing the entire RockPopIndieSoul section would make my life a hell of a lot easier! Anastasia wrote: The thing is, to me it seems that kids these days don't have much to rebel against, and therefore the 'movements' (if you can call them that) that they 'subscribe' to don't tend to 'embody' their whole lives or styles or lifestyles. When you were a mod your were a MOD, it's who you were and it was what you were about. Maybe we don't have much to rebel against, or maybe we have so much we're overwhelmed and have decided to focus on being "individuals". True, there's been nothing like the MOD thing, the impact, the cultural significance, in the 90s, that I can think of. There was that entire new wave Duran Duran haircut deal happening in the 80s (and still happening today, what with Grosse Pointe Blank sending them all into fits of nostalgia). But if you look around as you're walking to the nearest tube/subway station and really see all the poverty, rather than rushing on to your job or your class, you'll realize that there are things to still rebel against. We just know that shouting and organizing ourselves into activist groups isn't always the best way. Music, quiet or loud, clever or not, has a more far-reaching on the younger generation that a riot on the streets of New York does - that's only really important to the New Yorkers/Americans. Belle and Sebastian have seriously touched people on every single continent, if the members on this list are any indication. Enough said - B&S say it way better than I can. Sandra - pseudo-intellectual mood today.... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mart at xxx.uk Fri Dec 4 22:52:59 1998 From: mart at xxx.uk (Martin Horsfield) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:52:59 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Talk about... pop music Message-ID: Oh my god, I've always enjoyed Heather's posts, but never in my life have I heard pop music described as being a 'movement'? Liking pop music is like enjoying chocolate - you know you shouldn't, but it works for you every time. In Britain, at least, we boys were always meant to be ashamed of pop. It was for girls and, of course 'puffs'. We boys were meant to like Prog/the Sex Pistols/Iron Maiden/Tortoise/Sterophonics (delete according to your generation and whether you had a state or private education). However, I dare say if any of us on this list thought back to the first music that genuinely moved them, it would be POP! It sure as hell wouldn't have been Faust. So many people live in denial of this fact because they are swept along by the peer group pressure of liking 'real' music and only really rediscover the POP! instinct when they start dancing, getting off with the opposite sex, taking Es, going to 70s nights, gay clubs, whatever. And of course, once they discover the joys of hedonism and having their hearts filled with music, they realise that its just as much fun to dance to Dionosaur Jr as it is to ABC because its all pop; musicians (with the possible exceptions of Luke Haines and Roger Waters) want you to play their music loud, evangelise about it, dance to it, buy it and make it popular. Why wouldn't they? I've always thought that all the greatest pop songs are essentially TRUTHS, whether that's Reach Out.. I'll Be There, Supersonic ("you've got to be yourself..."), So Far Away (Carole King, not Dire Straits), I Should Be So Lucky, Wake Up Boo, Do You Remember The First Time?, Too Many Broken Hearts, A Design For Life, Becoming More Like Alfie, Comfortably Numb, Even Men With Hearts Of Steel Love To See A Dog On The Pitch, Might Be Stars, Cruel Summer, So Much Love So Little Time, Kiss Me, Broken Heart, Can't Get Out Of Bed, Walk On By, A Summer Wasting or Stars Of Track And Field. (This partly explains why, in the words of Edwyn Collins, visiting US grunge bands playing in the middle of the bill at Reading "wonder why we can't connect/to the ritual of the trashed guitar") I know this might degenerate into a semantic argument, or worse still a petty regional one but to us Britons, calling pop a 'genre' is like us calling your Pop a sex offender. Martin Horsfield PS/To the person who asked, Pete Wylie's basically been charged with making threatening phone calls to his ex-wife (she's going out with an old mucker of his). According to my man at the Hope & Anchor, poor old Pete (who's coined the best song title of the year - 'Heart As Big As Liverpool) has been 'off his head' for about a year now. Sinful, eh? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MileEndGrl at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 22:52:30 1998 From: MileEndGrl at xxx.com (MileEndGrl at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:52:30 EST Subject: Sinister: Dog on Wheels EP, St Etienne in NYC Message-ID: <8224309d.366867ae@aol.com> Hello list. Well I am actually posting. This is a rare occaison. So I have recently discovered that my Dog on Wheels EP has been stollen by a friend. I was just going to buy another one, but for once the store I shop at has no more and won't for a while. Now I don't know what to do. Hope I'll manage. Now onto the more important part of my post. How much is the St Etienne show at the Bowery ballroom and is the place 21+ only? (hehe, the 21+ argument starts again) Is it sold out I think should be the first question. I really want to go now. And also I don't think Bowery tickets are sold through evil ticketmaster. If they are not, where do I get them? Can I just call the place and put them on my credit card and pick them up the day of the show? One last question, can someone in the NYC are tell me where I can find a trembling blue stars cd? I have been searching for so long. I heard them while in England and I have fallen in love. I've been all over, maybe Route 66 sells it? I don't know, I'm loosing hope. I also need the field mice cd. And how much does Cass have to her name? $1.74!!! I am loaded. Wait, I do have 30 quid, which is actually a lot of money in US terms. I just need to find a back to change it. Okay, if someone, anyone. please answer me. I think the only decent thing I can think about today is that Usagi and Mamoru are finally back together on Sailor Moon (my secret obsession, hehe) Quietly going insane, Cassed +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 23:19:04 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:19:04 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Dog on Wheels EP, St Etienne in NYC In-Reply-To: <8224309d.366867ae@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981204231904.00798c10@mail.u-net.com> MileEndGrl at aol.com wrote: >So I have recently discovered that my Dog on Wheels EP has been stolen by a >friend. Can any other Sinisteroids spot the glaring error in this statement? As to St Etienne, my bird wants to go to this too but her reliable friend Carol didn't buy any tickets...so if anyone's got a spare, mail Rachel at craftylo at erols.com please.... Goodnight JJ x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Fri Dec 4 22:53:53 1998 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 14:53:53 -0800 Subject: Sinister: kids toda In-Reply-To: <01BE1F94.81B69500@SANDRA> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981204145353.008f5d60@mail.hooked.net> Actually there is a meta-movement going on in which I think the B&S crowd fits. The movement is about the artists going direct to their fans, with little in the way like the record labels and megastores. Smaller record companies are popping up like dandelions blowing the seeds of their refined tastes into the youth of today via the internet. The technology helps significantly - standards like RealAudio and MP3 let the artists get their music out there themselves. Not a social movement per se, but one in which all of us on the list are involved in my opinion. The reason why the B&S fans (and like-minded fans of other indie groups) are important is because people are forming groups themselves, making it easier for the groups to target their fans. This all helps to eliminate the middle-man. It encourages the artists and lets the smaller but talented bands thrive in niche markets. As for B&S lyrics and new attitude, every generation has different role models and modes of thinking. In the 80's, there was plenty of similar music as well which molded outcast teens - think the Smiths. I don't believe that movements are as easily indentified nowadays since there are many smaller groupings and it is difficult to label each one; look at music genres for example (rave, d&b, indie, math rock, post-rock, etc.). In the past, there were less groups = easier stereotyping. Now, a more heavily segmented society based on free agent tendencies (individuals' characteristics) leads to clusters of like people which float amidst many different clusters. Movements are characterized by stronger numbers of people with generally a focused ideology. Anyway, not enough language to explain what I mean exactly, and more than enough to bore the likes of most of you, so I'll stop the drivel and dundering. chez pants <- sans un mot de francais At 02:43 PM 12/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >Personally, I don't think a movement has to be about rebellion/politics. It can just be a group of people quietly affecting the world in small, but significant ways. I mean, if you think about Belle & Sebastian's lyrics, they are critiquing society's values as we live it today. Granted, the sweetness of the music doesn't immediately make you aware of the implications of what they are really saying - for example, Seymour Stein - isn't that a tongue in cheek criticism of the major label industry? And "Century of Fakers"?? The title says it all! Now, I'm not saying Belle & Sebastian are a movement - you need more than one band to do that; you need a whole bunch who fall into the same ideals and beliefs as them. I can't think of any as my mind is mired in HTML thoughts, but I've had the impression for the last 2 years that a certain honesty and thoughtfulness prevails in most of the "indie" music I listen to. It reminds me of the classic folk songs of the 60s that we all know but don't really remember the bands or the titles, like Dylan and Simon and Garfunkel and the Moody Blues. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From escossia at xxx.br Fri Dec 4 23:53:46 1998 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:53:46 -0200 Subject: Sinister: kids toda Message-ID: <01be1fe1$54fe30c0$0100007f@localhost> >do we think these movements exist at all anymore, or even have >any reason to This is not that main subject But i like Belle and Sebastian (the world is not just LIKE) cause they are not in any "music scene". I can not see them as Twee or just another Indie-Pop band. It's not like Shoegazing It's not like Class of 86 It's not like Indie-Dance (here in Brazil) ..Madchester ( in England, or not ?) It's not like Blondi(e) Fever (remember Darling Buds, Primitives, Heart Throbs and Flatmates? ooops !! and PARACHUTE MAN ??????) It's not like Gothic (oh my God, is REALLY true that Bauhaus is BACK ?) It's not Romo (What ? Simon Price ??? ) Am i wrong ? ~~~^~^v^~^v^~^v^~^v^~v^~^v^~^v^~ Ivo A P Escossia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 01:19:29 1998 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:19:29 PST Subject: Sinister: stuart's stairwell Message-ID: <19981205011930.8194.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear List, Hi! you know,the more i think about it...i don't think dirty dream is really so much about sex...but country life..i can agree on that,it's so beautiful beautiful beautiful..but sometimes,what good is that,if all your company to share that with is greasy boys who drive pick-ups with moth-bitten mattresses in the back...so you invent lovely international characters in dirty dreams... like explorers/photographers for national geographic... oh,John Dunn (i think that's how you spell it) is so lovely,he travelled all of the Baffin Island by foot and canoe you know! I've decided I would like to do something like this..where do I sign up? Do I have to become a Boy Scout? you're all talking about children's books...one of my favourite ones was 'From The Mixed Up Files Of Mrs. Basil E...' I forget the rest of the title..anyways,it's a really good story,this sister and brother run away and stay at a Museum Of Art in New York..I was always facisnated with running away,and having a big museum as your castle..and rationing/deciding what food to buy for pennies and cents (couldn't do that today,sigh!)I still think that would be so fun...if I ever get real rich,I'm going to a buy a Museum and run around wearing velvet nightgowns all day long and have a wine cellar and a big dining room with those loooon tables and everything. and after that,I read R.L Stine and Christopher Pike books because they had naughty bits and everything!...not like those babysitter's club books which i was so past. Tag wrote: And I seriously doubt that anyone's got a shag >out of it. maybe they are just keeping quiet about it? tag,you are a grand tease..i hear my ears are burning and that's it? but you know,you're special,because you once wrote a funny thing,that still makes me laugh...what was it,something along the lines of 'yes,rod begebie...i'm sure i'd be walking like john wayne after' hee hee (oh and if brad said he is intimate with your mother,you have to respond with a 'your mothers butt is so big...etc' comment) Peter Miller..I have a Belle And Sebastian child,his name is Stuart Lazy Dog..but i can't talk about it because it brings shame to my family. Jarkko: 'Pretty Fly(For A White Guy)' is the number one song here!...so i found your little event funny...I don't understand why they are making a comeback...in grade 7 Offspring and Green Day were cool.. sleeping outside of stuart's stairwell? i think of seedy apartment for some reason where you cut your hands on the wall...but 'stuart's stairwell' by itself sounds like a magical place. oh no..homework(so much) but love is sent anyways, genevieve ps keith eats wheat berries so there ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Sat Dec 5 01:58:26 1998 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 20:58:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Dog on Wheels EP, St Etienne in NYC Message-ID: >Well I am actually posting. This is a rare occaison. >So I have recently discovered that my Dog on Wheels EP has been stollen by a >friend. I was just going to buy another one, but for once the store I shop at >has no more and won't for a while. Now I don't know what to do. Hope I'll >manage. my suggestion, try another store. there are loads of stores in the city that carry b&s stuff. most notably other music, but also the kim's and hmv. really, almost every record store in town does. shouldn't be that hard to acquire. >Now onto the more important part of my post. How much is the St Etienne show >at the Bowery ballroom and is the place 21+ only? (hehe, the 21+ argument it's 16+ (as marked on the tickets). ticket web is sold out, and i believe the bowery is too. you can call the mercury lounge, but your best bet is probably to try and find a friend who may have an extra. oh, and for trembling blue stars, other music definitely has their stuff, so do many otheres. hmv always gets the shinkhansen stuff. i know it's an evil chain store, but sometimes the imports are pretty cheap. alas, the only other topic i could speak about would be the fact that i am going to hurt someone or something. finals season is very stressful. xox megan mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu visit the magnetic fields web page at: http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rclander at xxx.net Sat Dec 5 03:10:48 1998 From: rclander at xxx.net (Richard Lander) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:10:48 +0800 Subject: Sinister: List kids soon to be increased by one Message-ID: <01be1ffd$039d9b00$03fd51ca@rclander.netfront.net> Peter Miller said Has anyone answered the listees with children question yet? Off the top of my head, David Moore of Cheltenham UK not only has children, he even allows his daughter to have a boyfriend. dangerously liberal, I feel. Someone, I think it was David/Ruth, was talking about taking a new-born sprog to the London concert. Many moons ago someone's mum was on the list, if you remember they had to accompany their offspring to the NYC Sessions at West 54th or whatever. And who could forget the comforting presence of Big Arthur Bergman? Yes we have one daughter called Kathryn who is 8. She likes Pulp and The Charlatans more than B&S though. Next Saturday her baby sister (name not yet totally decided upon) will arrive in this world. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MWaggner at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 04:53:54 1998 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:53:54 EST Subject: Sinister: NYC PRE-HOLIDAY MEET UP Message-ID: <4a7da7ed.3668bc62@aol.com> NYC area Sinisterines -- Before everyone heads off for the holidays, or goes completely mad from shopping, crowds, and all that, we thought it would be nice to have a little meet-up... So! Mark this on your Advent Calendars: DATE: Saturday, December 12 PLACE: 85 Down 85 Avenue A (Between 6th and 7th Streets) Underneath Kim's Video TIME: About 9:30 p.m. or so According to JonnyKat, this is a small and cosy little spot where the owner will set aside a few tables near the bar for we Sinisterines to get intimate ... and altho' Jonny claims that this does not mean making love, who knows? Bring a little mistletoe and you might get lucky. So, if you can, stop by... If you have questions, mail me privately (NOT to the list) and I'll try to answer them. Seasonally yours, --michele/simone +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From J_Fogel at xxx.EDU Sat Dec 5 18:53:42 1998 From: J_Fogel at xxx.EDU (jess) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 12:53:42 -0600 Subject: Sinister: quicky question... Message-ID: <36698136.CED10570@emerson.edu> greetings! just wondering if any uk listees know of good (worth going to) gigs in london happening during the x-mas week 23rd to 29th? thanks j. (whos waiting and waiting for the tigermilk re-release) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Sat Dec 5 05:59:23 1998 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:59:23 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Tweeness, Milleniumness, Bookness, Modern Rockness, etc.ness Message-ID: <3668CBBB.AABC1374@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Hmmmm... It's odd that so many authors discussed on this list lately are ones I've actually read! Previous book threads were too far removed from my fanatical fantasy tastes. Yes to C.S. Lewis, yes to J.R.R. Tolkien, yes to Susan Cooper, yes to Lloyd Alexander, yes to Ursula K. Leguin (though I can't remember a stitch of A Wrinkle in Time for the life of me) and especially yes to Frank Herbert. Right now, I'm reading his Children of Dune, and I've been moved to take a quote from it, potentially to replace my eloquent Mr. Friendly qutoe. And I quoth: "You are a child seeking to be a man. When you are a man, you will seek in vain for the child you were." - Paul Atreides. Whaddya think? Quoteworthy? Anyway, about C.S. Lewis, I have a friend that I've known since elementary school. I began reading The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe back then, and my friend took it upon himself to read it as well. My friend then began to attempt to read through the series faster than I did, and bragged about it every chance he got. I tried to keep up, but oh this boy just must have done nothing but read! I ended up quitting somewhere into A Horse and His Boy, and haven't picked it back up since. I've quite taken to reading lately, though, having not done much of it in the past 4 or 5 years, and having it once been such an integral part of my life. I found a lovely kitty bookmark the other day, and at work when there's nothing to do I just sit around with my nose in my book (figuratively, of course) playing with my kitty bookmark in my off hand. Okay, next topic... The indiepop-list-loving, goodbye-message-despising Ben Kim writes: > I can't remember who wrote it...Robert? Someone found a lot of > records in a store including the Pastels, House of Love and Felt...and > proceeded to call all of them 'twee.' If I may say so, I disagree with > that assessment. I think that Felt are one of the most un-twee bands > *ever* to be embraced by the indiepopnoscenti Well, I think I learned the hard way that nit-picking about what is this and what is that is just silly. Twee can mean to you something very different from what it means to me. Felt at their jangliest sound a lot like what I think of when I think twee. Of course, not all their songs do sound like that, but neither do all of the Field Mice's. Thank goodness for a little variety now and then. So lets not jump on a new subscriber for thinking to call Felt twee. and John Warrender writes: > The lovely Anne from Glasgow sent me the URL for a top pop > web site called "Ready Steady Go" which has lots of nice pieces > about many wonderful bands including the truly magical > "Sagittarius" and "Millennium". These were the brain childs of pop > genius Curt Boettcher with the multi-talented Gary Usher lending > a helping hand. If you haven't got any Sagittarius or Millennium > records and you love "Pet Sounds" then I'd have a quick read of > the Curt Boettcher article then swiftly make your way to CDNow > who have reissues of "Present Tense" and "Begin", both of which > are absolutely sumptuous and a snip at whatever price they're > selling at. The site's well worth a visit and can be found at: Ah, I love the Millenium, and it's nice to hear someone mention them, though I was surprised it was John, there. I must whole-heartedly agree, the Millenium are wondrous and magical, though they harp a bit too much on the "transcendant" bit sometimes. I put a song of theirs on my tape tree tape, wherever it may be. I really need to check out Sagittarius, but I should also check out Ballroom. A friend was telling me about them after the 1st NYC B&S show. Apparently it's the band Curt Boettcher was in before the Millenium, and some of the Millenium's songs were originally performed by Ballroom. Supposedly some of their material was released by Creation's re-issue arm, Rev-ola. Somehow I think I misspelled that. Oh well. So, someone was saying they got the new EP in a shop today, how is it? I'm dying to know... Eh, well I'd talk more, but I have to wake up at 6:45 for a 13-hour work day with a whopping three 15-minute breaks. Oh hold me back... /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - bp224995 at ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | - Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jesandy at xxx.edu Sat Dec 5 07:00:26 1998 From: jesandy at xxx.edu (jennifer) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 02:00:26 -0500 Subject: Sinister: with my nose in a book Message-ID: <01be201c$f01da3c0$1f159f95@jimmy..> hello dear friends! i am a long-time lurker, most definitely, i do love you all but frankly you're all too witty and cute and i can't compete. you all scare me, whoever said you were twee and harmless was batty. (joke) (see, i told you i can't compete) anyway, although i appear out of the figurative woodwork every once in a while to bother people with questions, tonight i am not doing that. i wanted to say thank you to everyone for the c.s. lewis discussion, i too read the lion, the witch, and the wardrobe chronicles when i was wee and loved them immensely. so lately i've been having a bit of personal upheaval and in my spare time (albeit very rare) i've been retreating into old, well-loved books. i already re-read the hobbit and the trilogy (more praise for those, they are amazing!) b/c i own them, but my narnia books aren't here. so tonight i was unmercifully stranded with not a thing to do on a friday night for goodness sake, and rather than sit in my room feeling sorry for myself (usual activity), i nipped over to the library and grabbed the first two books of the series. i've just finished reading them and i am positively glowing, for the first time in a long time. i love rediscovering a childhood memory, when you get all warm inside and if you try hard enough you can pretend that you are wee again, sitting in your room with a good book and no other cares in the world. anyways the whole point of this message (anticlimax coming up right here) is to ask for any other literary suggestions from listees. i know this gets discussed regularly and although the new search page is grand (thanks honey!) it scares me with its complexity and i wouldn't know quite what to search for... my christmas break is looking bleak and will probably consist of me, a pile of books, and my cat, so if anyone would be so kind as to recommend some books, please mail me privately, i don't want the entire list waggling its collective finger at me. and if you've read this far, thank you and you deserve a hug. i'll give you one, if ever i meet you. goodnight everyone, pleasant dreams! the jennifer, the teddy bear, and the computer +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From scaredy_kat at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 08:04:10 1998 From: scaredy_kat at xxx.com (Krista A. Garcia) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:04:10 -0400 Subject: Sinister: List-erine Kisses References: Message-ID: <3668E8F8.6015@hotmail.com> O.k. all this Brooklyn banter is well and good. We all know that cutie-types dwell there (well, at least I do). But the real question is, does anybody live in Queens? Could I possibly be the only Belle and Sebastian fan in this borough? 4 AM and I'm bored and curious, Krista +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tangent at xxx.net Sat Dec 5 00:00:55 1998 From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:00:55 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Felt ain't twee!!! References: <199812041810.NAA49176@dept.english.upenn.edu> Message-ID: <366877B7.4626DDAC@lineone.net> no they ain't. i dunno how many are intersted... i mean, judging by Stuart M's shirt addiction he might be, but, um, Lawrence and me and a publisher are currently planning a book all about Felt for next year. Lawrence will hopefully come and talk at length and we'll piece together his words and maybe some other's words on the group into a book. Lawrence says he's keen to put the record straight, and i have to admit i am more than a little excited at the prospect. Sorry no B& S content per se, but what the hell... keep the faith, the duke ------------------------------------------ 'all of our dreams are dying of overdoses' ------------------------------------------ Tangents On-Line http://www.tangents.co.uk PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at lineone.net ------------------------------------------ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Sat Dec 5 12:59:37 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:59:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hefnerlump Rock Report Message-ID: <01be204f$1df12240$2c4c05c3@itjfvkli> No major misfortunes befell me, so I was indeed introduced to the not quite as delicate as I expected Hefner live experience. They were really good, I'd give them 9 out of 10. The singer/guitarists looks a bit like Austin Powers, acted the goat a lot and treated us to very funny little bits of nonsense between songs. I laughed quite a lot, which is unusual because I'm a miserable bastard really. He's a very expressive young man who waves his arms about a lot. They're not much like B&S really, the only commonn ground I could see was a certain bookish slant in the lyrics and quiet bits every so often. I expected them to be shit, so it was a pleasant surprise, so much better than grim old Mark Lanegan and his superstar chums the other week IMHO. They do indeed have a song about Lee Remick and lots of songs about sex, which comes as quite a surprise because I doubt anyone would touch Austin Powers with a ten foot barge pole. Oh, and another B&S connection: the bass player (who looks exactly like Brad in my imagination) was wearing sensible smart grey school trousers, like Stuart Murdoch's got. Afterwrds I was goading into talking to Austin Powers (whose code name is Darren) for the express purpose of reporting back to you lot. Here's a condensed log of the conversation: Bobby C: Excuse me, do you know Stuart Murdoch out of Belle and Sebastian? Austin Powers: Er..yes I do actually Bobby C: Oh, the reason I ask is because I'm on the Belle and Sebastian e-mail list and people there talk about you quite a lot, you're quite popular there. Austin Powers: Oh really? Someone told me there was someting in America where you had to give marks out of ten for how much we sound like Belle and Sebastian, like five out of ten or seven out of ten, we sound nothing like Belle and Sebastian, do you think we sound like Belle and Sebastian? Bobby C: No, not at all (crawly bumlick bit) and so on and so on, heading into off-topic territory until: Austin Powers: (effusively waving arms about like Magnus Pike) Lazy Line Painter Jane is the best single of the nineties! Bobby C's mouth opens and closes but no sound comes out Anyway, it's great to have showbiz chums who look like Austin Powers, and he was a nice chap and all, but I did get the impression that I was just the latest in a long line of stalker freaks who talk to him when he's on tour, so in a way I wish I hadn't bothered, but it was all in the name of spouting crap on the list, so I guess it was worth it. I don't think he really understood the concept of a mailing list, the lucky bugger. As for the other groups, Cuba were absolute total and utter guff, a kind of Jesus Jones for the 21st Century, only without the charm, subtelty and nuance that so typified that groundbreaking fusion of rock and dance sensibilities. Quite frankly, Cuba are a disgrace to their name, totally unlike the fantastic tropical island where people sniff their armpits and have a wank at the same time. Jack were pretty funny, they R!O!C!K! but not as much as they seem to think. The guitarist is a proper mod, and good fun to watch, the bass player looks like Bobby Chariot crossed with the curly one from Blondie and I suspect that the singer is a big fan of our own Lawrence from Felt (and Denim if you insist, Peter), he had the same juvenile and foppish haircut and the posing git had a bottle of whisky in the pocket of his leather coat. They were quite INTENSE but it all seemed like a big act to me, whereas Hefner had been quite relaxed and natural. That is all for now, I shall revert to off-topic gibbering soon. Bobby Chariot +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From C.Wyplosz at xxx.uk Sat Dec 5 13:54:18 1998 From: C.Wyplosz at xxx.uk (Wyplosz,C) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:54:18 -0000 Subject: Sinister: looking for a band? Message-ID: <116DF9642B30D1119D530000F800DC37021ADCAA@exchs3.lse.ac.uk> Is there anyone who lives in London and would like to join a 'band' (actually, we are just ine guitarist and a drummer/bassist/guitarist). We are looking for the rest of a band (Bass, Guitar, Drums, Keybords, Cello, Violin etc...). Our "influences" are mostly Mogwai, Tortoise, Yo La Tengo and so on. If anyone is interested, please e-mail me privately. Clem +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TFertig3 at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 14:05:43 1998 From: TFertig3 at xxx.com (TFertig3 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:05:43 EST Subject: Sinister: Saturday P Message-ID: <339bf106.36693db7@aol.com> Hello list, I feel like I have not written in ages, but really it's been only about a week. You lot write in so much that even daily posts seem years apart. I was cleaning out some rubbish in my bedroom yesterday and I found a lovely poem though I don't know who it's by or even if it's complete. Soo.. it appears that the poetry parrot escaped from its cage and landed on my front door step, so I had no other choice. Oh I gotta come clean. I feel like I am committing a heinous crime by a.) claiming the poetry parrot landed on my shoulder when it really did not, and b.) posting a poem when it's nowhere near Monday. Only a few listees have done it before, and they are surely not respected for it.. After all it is a special honor to be selected. I risk the Honey Police Force being after me. Here's the top four crimes one can commit on the B&S list: 1. write in "unsubscribe sinister" 2. ask a question that's been scrutinized and torn apart and thrown up on in the past, and most importantly -- can be found in the archives, which I must say have utterly confused me 3. tell another listee that you think they're nothing but poo 4. claim the Poetry Parrot has landed on your shoulder when it really has not Here is the Poetree Parhot: The Stolen Child .... Away with us, he's going, the solemn-eyed; He'll hear no more the lowing Of the calves on the warm hill-side. Or the kettle on the hob Sing peace into his breast; Or see the brown mice bob Round and round the oatmeal chest. For he comes, the human child, To the woods and waters wild, With a fairy hand in hand, For the world's more full of weeping than he can understand. sighweepcoughsneeze. The Horse and His Boy is my favorite Narnia book. Bye bye, Tami +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 14:36:26 1998 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:36:26 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Not A Lot Message-ID: <199812050936_MC2-629B-2005@compuserve.com> Hi All, Chris (Lear) Leonard updated The Owl & The Pussy Cat: Murdoch and Isobel went to sea In a beautiful pea green boat, They took scrapings from Honey, I thought we'd finished the cheese thread? Someone (Spanish A..?) asked recently what Nick Drake to listen to. Try: River Man/Way To Blue/When The Day Is Done/Cello Song/Fruit Tree from 5 Leaves Left, Hazey Jane II/One Of These Things First/Fly/Northern Sky from Bryter Later, From The Morning from Pink Moon, or the Thoughts Of Mary Jane from Time Of No Reply. After listening to these you'll come to realise that he was a genius (or maybe that the team that produced the albums were touched by it) and shed a tear for the tragedy of another life cut short. Spanish-based PyJama Man (What was the crime, Peter? How are the extradition hearings going?) wrote: Has anyone answered the listees with children question yet? Off the top of my head, David Moore of Cheltenham UK not only has children, he even allows his daughter to have a boyfriend. dangerously liberal, I feel. I do have three offspring, but when the eldest is 20 its hard to think of them as children. More often than not, I think of them as my mates. I like the new Cinerama single, the third track of which is notable for including chunks of the theme from seventies TV adaptation of Essex boy Daniel Defoe's Robinson Crusoe, very stirring, and the complete Gedge lyrical oeuvre In A Nutsac: You can't get a phone call like that and not tell me You can't lie with him in our bed and not smell me Talking of nutsacs, is a sack of dick the equivalent of a bag of shite? Two nations separated by a common language indeed. Snowing outside, but no foxes, just my cat and some squirrels - I'd better look out for Elvis. In the CD: hopefully no more engineers, so that I can get it back again today! Love, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From snorman at xxx.uk Sat Dec 5 14:28:05 1998 From: snorman at xxx.uk (Sam Norman) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:28:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: dublin - two days after Message-ID: thanks to everyone who made the meetup. i really enjoyed myself hopefully i will come back again (i'm still here so that seems quite strange) and/ or see you in London sometime. i'll be sending the photo to honey so it'll probably go on his site. I was really impressed with the amount of people who turned (even if they were'nt all on the list) up as i only had expected a couple to show up. cheers bye for now sam p.s. fibbers wasn't too bad, lots of smiths, i ended up going there again on friday, when basically it was a goth night. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 11:18:01 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 11:18:01 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Bookness In-Reply-To: <3668CBBB.AABC1374@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981205111801.0079de10@mail.u-net.com> Mick McMick wrote: > Ursula K. Leguin (though >I can't remember a stitch of A Wrinkle in Time for the life of me) and >especially yes to Frank Herbert. Right now, I'm reading his Children of >Dune Doh! A Wrinkle In Time, 'Mick', was of course written by Madeline L'Engle although I may have spelt her name incorrectly..I haven't looked for a webpage about her yet because it's early in the morning, but that was ALSO a good book as was it's sequel.. The Dune series, however, what a load of pretentious wank. I could be wrong about those, after all they are dreadfully popular. I bought 4 of them before I realised that it wasn't me, it was the books that were crap. Have a lovely weekend, it's time for BACON sarnies now... JJ x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 17:03:51 1998 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 09:03:51 PST Subject: Sinister: youth movements and stuff Message-ID: <19981205170352.9160.qmail@hotmail.com> dear list, oh this is long...but these great posts from sandra,anastasoa and heather just get me thinking..my thoughts all in a jumble..it may be hard to understand me,there's a million things to say... Anastasia wrote: >question: do we think these movements exist at all anymore, or even have >any reason to? i think these subcultures exist, but the things that >motivate them, if there even are any motivations, are completely different >than the motivations of the groups are parents belonged to. well,honestly..i don't think there is a big big movement with belle and sebastian type youth...well,maybe there is in little unknown ways... if there was a youth thing going on in the 90's..it's got to be the skaters...there's so many,if they all got to together! but i do not think there is a movement really...i mean,if they really wanted to rebel against something,yes certainly they have got VERY important things,not just your parents values..like maybe how we're destroying our earth?...seriously..i mean a lot good going 'fuck society man! i'm a rebel!' when you might not have clean water to drink...or fresh air to breathe,i think it's so sad,when even the most beautiful,pristine places of wilderness on earth have smog in the air floated over from other cities...rebelling against mass-consumption...it would take lots of people and unfortunatley,that big number of teenagers are the ones who just contribute more and more buy falling for the commericals,this image that they are supposed to be ("selling ourselves to ourselves")buying every tommy hifiger,nike prouduct etc. i can't really talk with knowledge about the other groups,the mods and punks etc (and teddy boys? hee hee "meet me after school,the teddy boys are going to kick your ass" hee) but the one thing i find kinda fake in all these groups is the importance of what you wear how you look..you get loads of piercings and tattoos and spike your hair and THAT'S why your a rebel? or you wear a short skirt? or whateve..i mean if you like that look,FINE..but so many define their whole soul around an image..and if you do that,it must be a kinda shallow movement? and sometimes..i wonder..what are we going to look like in history books? i mean,as much as i love some of my music..i know it's not going to be around in 50 or 100 years from now,I used to always think my father was being a classical-music snob person..when he told me that.. i'd be like"can't i just enjoy the moment without worrying if it's going to be remembered etc" but isn't that one of the problems,living too much for now? buying the most popular things,the hottest thing,the next biggest thing etc...i mean you could say there are movements everywhere,there's always strikes and rallys but sometimes i think people are a little too quick to jump and say their rights are being infringed...but what about the planet being infringed? it's all connected (the big corporate companies who don't care about pollution...that could be a big record company vs little independant one)and if anyone cares about the earth,they get labeled a hippy-freak? i mean it's fine to sit back and write brilliant essays and editorials stating exactly what's wrong...but it's another thing to go out there and DO something. I'm not saying this what ALL the kids are like...but just from my own experiences,and friends and people around me..most of them are too drugged up to even notice,or they fall for the newspaper article stating 'everything is ok'. heather: >This is what I consider to be so interesting about this movement, it's >niceness. Please, someone, explain this to me. Are the hugs, fuzzy >sweaters, comeraderie with one's parents all a symbol of a greater >cultural fear of the millenial unknown, or is this for real? I love the >music, but I'd like to solve the mystery of the seemingly docile youth who >follow it. i don't think they are really docile..i mean would not exactly call my relationship with my parents very comeraderie,my halo isn't exactly gleaming..i mean sure we share little stories on here,but there's a lot of darkness that people just aren't going to see...but again,maybe elsewhere these fuzzy sweater people are like that,i can only speak from what i do and see. sandra wrote: >Personally, I don't think a movement has to be about rebellion/politics. exactly! i mean,when anger my parents,it's through other things,not by coming home with a mohawk and a bullring nose ring and chanting 'Satan! Satan!'..i mean sure i could do that,but what would that prove honestly?i think people should stop worring about labels and groups and trying to define everything so neatly maybe one day a youth movement will wake up and rebel against something that's really worth it you know? it's so strange today...there's much more violence etc,and yet at the same time we have it so easy...we've grown used to just sitting back and being entertained...how boring it must be,so empty and no substance Ok...i'm not sure this had anythign to do with the original discussion...pop and belle and sebastian? and i'm not this big eco-warrior freak,i just worry. love, genevieve ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MileEndGrl at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 17:16:04 1998 From: MileEndGrl at xxx.com (MileEndGrl at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:16:04 EST Subject: Sinister: Dog on Wheels EP, St Etienne in NYC Message-ID: <53e44dbe.36696a54@aol.com> In a message dated 12/4/98 3:20:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, johnj at seahouses.u-net.com writes: << MileEndGrl at aol.com wrote: >So I have recently discovered that my Dog on Wheels EP has been stolen by a >friend. Can any other Sinisteroids spot the glaring error in this statement? >> Okay, I HATE PEOPLE who think they are superior and have to put down peoples mistakes!!! I'm sorry if I offended anyone by having a mistake. Get your head out of the superior clouds. It is reasons like this that you never meet cool people on lists because people have to bash every little detail, which then makes them scared to post. So calm down about mistakes, I highly doubt the band is going to come and beat me at my door. I'm very sorry to all the friendly people out there, but I have serious problems with people who think they are better than everyone because they know every damn detail about a band. Sorry for the rant, that just made me EXTREMELY MAD!!!! Cass +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keithmcl at xxx.net Sat Dec 5 17:37:28 1998 From: keithmcl at xxx.net (keith m) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 12:37:28 -0500 Subject: Sinister: hold your horses!:) Message-ID: <36696F58.3593BDD9@bignet.net> it has been said: << MileEndGrl at aol.com wrote: >So I have recently discovered that my Dog on Wheels EP has been stolen by a >friend. Can any other Sinisteroids spot the glaring error in this statement? >> >Okay, I HATE PEOPLE who think they are superior and have >to put down peoples >mistakes!!! I'm sorry if I offended anyone by having a >mistake. >Get your head out of the superior clouds. It is reasons >like this that you >never meet cool people on lists because people have to >bash every little >detail, which then makes them scared to post. So calm down >about mistakes, I >highly doubt the band is going to come and beat me at my >door. I'm very sorry >to all the friendly people out there, but I have serious >problems with people >who think they are better than everyone because they know >every damn detail >about a band. Sorry for the rant, that just made me >EXTREMELY MAD!!!! >Cass i think he was trying to point out that a "friend" as you said would never steal someone's copy of dog on wheels:) at least that was my impression from his note??? maybe i am just gullible? keith mcl +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 17:41:05 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 17:41:05 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Confusion! It's such a terrible shame In-Reply-To: <53e44dbe.36696a54@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981205174105.00797bd0@mail.u-net.com> Someone confused the hell out of me by writing: >Okay, I HATE PEOPLE who think they are superior and have to put down peoples >mistakes!!! I'm sorry if I offended anyone by having a mistake. >Get your head out of the superior clouds. It is reasons like this that you >never meet cool people on lists because people have to bash every little >detail, which then makes them scared to post. So calm down about mistakes, I >highly doubt the band is going to come and beat me at my door. I'm very sorry >to all the friendly people out there, but I have serious problems with people >who think they are better than everyone because they know every damn detail >about a band. Sorry for the rant, that just made me EXTREMELY MAD!!!! I have no idea what she's going on about. Does anyone else? It doesn't seem like it's a reply to my posting at all. I shall explain in detail what I meant as some of you seem to get terribly offended very very easily. She said that a "friend" had "stolen her EP". Now to me, that doesn't make them a friend. Does it? Sorry if that's offensive to your friend or you or anything. JJ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Sat Dec 5 17:44:51 1998 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:44:51 -0000 Subject: Sinister: i'm busty and know how to please... Message-ID: <005f01be2077$074c71c0$b178a8c2@n2f9x2> ...(said the card in the phonebox) books: my favourite children's books would have to be the Follyfoot Farm ones by Monica Dickens. unfortunately i was a bit of a horse enthusiast in my earlier youth. also Haphazard House by Mary Wesley (i think). and arthur ransome, naturalmente. i spent a good portion of my 6th form 'study' periods reading children's books, because my soc. coursework was entitled 'children's literature reinforces traditional gender stereotypes' unluckily i couldn't be bothered to read any sociological literature on the topic, and instead handed in a too long essay, with a huge section on the significance of tomboys, which would have suited an english course better. and got hardly any marks for it. hey ho, i listened to IYFS for the first time in ages t'other day. it made me think of when i was 17ish, and i felt old. which frankly is very very stupid, because it was only a year ago. by movements, are we talking kind of genres? stuff like that. because i keep having discussions with friends about how there isn't really anything that defines this part of the nineties. and that it's all a bit fragmented currently. and that there are no groups that are really big and life changing right now. i think i decided that it was pre millenial cynicism, but then decided that was a bit pretentious and unthought it. there doesn't seem to be a lot of collectivism anymore, but as i wasn't around in the times when there was meant to be, i don't think i ought comment. i've had a very productive day, i've tidied my room, and actually polished some furniture. i only did this becuse i couldn't find the floor this morning. i knew it was getting dire when i found the old packed lunch. i've not eaten a packed lunch for a few months now...but now it's all very tidy. shut up alix.c.x "So don't approach me if you've no more to say than what you've been doing, or how much you paid for the beer in your hand. I really don't care and I might have to kill you, which wouldn't be fair. On me" - Prolapse 'Killing The Bland' +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From atieger at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 17:54:50 1998 From: atieger at xxx.com (aaron tieger) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:54:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: movements Message-ID: <19981205175450.18549.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> I used to spend a lot of time thinking about movements, wishing I was more a part of one. Beat, Mod, Punk; Imagist, Modernist, Confessional (well, not Confessional)... anything. Then I started thinking I'd start my own movement, an anti-movement saying "Fuck all this GenX shit." Then after many drunken "conventions" in bars we realized that an anti-movement movement is really more redundant than clever. So now I think fuck it all. We're all individuals, just like everyone else. Yes I like to hang out with people who wear the same type of footwear and have more or less the same social and artistic concerns, but what does it all mean? Nothing. The world goes on, regardless of attempts to change it: all we can do is work on improving our relationship to the world. Sorry I'm not very articulate, but I've had my slightly hungover head in several books all morning. Anybody out there interested in Wilhelm Reich? aaron === atieger at rocketmail.com I tossed in my quilt Angry at my own helplessness. It is easier to see Heaven Than to see you. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail, free e-mail for the planet. * Visit & explore Cybersmith at http://www.cybersmith.com * Get your web-based e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martysg at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 18:55:19 1998 From: martysg at xxx.com (Marty) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:55:19 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Spreading the Gospel (aka, It's good to be the King of something) Message-ID: <000b01be2080$cf967780$25d9bfa8@ccypn023> > I do have three offspring, but when the eldest is 20 its hard to think of > them as children. More often than not, I think of them as my mates. Well, finally someone on the list who can help me not feel so old!!!!! I have been married for 6 years, and we have 1 and 8/9ths kids. My 20-month old likes B&S, but she likes Barney, too. Must be my wife's influence... I remember when I was 18, I used to say, "Geez, in 2000, I will be 36. Oh man, that seems so old. (And, as a stupid 18 year old, I didn't really realize that I would actually be 35 at 1/1/00, and not 36 for another month. BUT I don't want this to be an excuse for a flame war about the start date of the millenium (2000 or 2001) -- everybody knows that the first century had 99 years, and the rest of them one-upped by going to 100 years...so, to me, 2000 is it.) But, not to waste any more bandwidth on non-list-stuff. The subtitle of this note is, "it's good to be the King of something", especially when you can spread the gospel. Not to go into too much detail, but I work in marketing for a very large airline in the US. One thing I do every month is I review and approve the audio programming we play on our flights. Well, since I've had this responsibility, I've done a few subversive things to bring a little spice into the programs, like trying to get an alternative channel set up, and some other interesing stuff. (Nov/Dec, we're looking at Landmark albums, which include "London Calling", a favorite from my youth...) But, just this week, I was reviewing the listing for January/February, and saw the same old crap on the alternative channel...some MTV yahoos that I don't like and don't listen to...so, one call to the vendor, and, zap, Dirty Dream #2 is appearing in Jan/Feb! (I would toss something from IYFS in, but the album is too old to fit into the format...) Hopefully, amidst that other pop dross, it will stand out and sell albums. (Yes, David and Katrina, our vendor does make all appropriate payments!) Marty +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Sat Dec 5 19:22:33 1998 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:22:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Dog on Wheels EP, St Etienne in NYC Message-ID: um, i thought what he was trying to say was that if someone was really your friend, they wouldn't have stolen your copy of dog on wheels. xox megan At 12:16 PM 12/5/98, MileEndGrl at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 12/4/98 3:20:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, >johnj at seahouses.u-net.com writes: > ><< MileEndGrl at aol.com wrote: > >So I have recently discovered that my Dog on Wheels EP has been stolen by a > >friend. > > Can any other Sinisteroids spot the glaring error in this statement? >> > >Okay, I HATE PEOPLE who think they are superior and have to put down peoples >mistakes!!! I'm sorry if I offended anyone by having a mistake. >Get your head out of the superior clouds. It is reasons like this that you >never meet cool people on lists because people have to bash every little >detail, which then makes them scared to post. So calm down about mistakes, I >highly doubt the band is going to come and beat me at my door. I'm very sorry >to all the friendly people out there, but I have serious problems with people >who think they are better than everyone because they know every damn detail >about a band. Sorry for the rant, that just made me EXTREMELY MAD!!!! >Cass >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu visit the magnetic fields web page at: http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MileEndGrl at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 19:47:58 1998 From: MileEndGrl at xxx.com (MileEndGrl at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:47:58 EST Subject: Sinister: Misunderstandings and an apology. Message-ID: I am going to apologize to the whole list for putting you all through this. I was wrong, dead wrong. I read toooooo much into the statement. ::Hides in shame:: I hate starting little things on lists, I never seem to. I feel like such a fool now. I thought he was correcting me about my knowledge of belle and sebastian in some way, that I when I wrote that nasty email I still couldn't figure out. I've been abused on other lists because of this so many times. So I wrote to him personally and apologized and now I feel I should apologize to the list, because it was rude of me. I'm just in a terrible mood from a little trouble this morning that completely wasted my time. Sorry JJ again!!! I will go back to lurking. Cass +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nickdastoor at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 18:54:29 1998 From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:54:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: These are a few of my favourite things - can I do them all at once? Message-ID: <19981205185429.23779.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> In the spirit of the extraordinary crisis of communication that just flared up between JJ and MileEndGirl, I'd like to throw my own confused hat into the ring: > Did anyone else notice in the Independent on Sunday a couple of weeks > ago that the cookery section suggested that your cooking might well be > improved by listening to Belle and Sebastian.. does this mean we can > expect a band appearence on Ready Steady Cook? I too am lost with this B&S/cookery connection. A while ago a Food and Drink piece in one of the Scottish papers cocked a snook at "Belle and Sebastian-loving food pornographers". I wondered if this meant I was missing a trick by failing to combine food, masturbation and my favourite band in some ingenious way. Does anyone have any ideas how it could be done? If you hurry I might be able to relate my experiences to Yorkshire TV. >Don't worry about sounding snippy, Anastasia. I wrote that somewhat >tendencious(sp?)-sounding message to inspire discussion. Snippy >discussion is better than none at all! Snippy? I have no idea what snippy is but it sounds fantastic. Is it an American thing or has it just passed me by? Like twin towns, which I'd never heard of until a few years ago. Snippy. Snippy. I like it so much. Nicholas xxxxx _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From GaoBest at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 19:32:35 1998 From: GaoBest at xxx.com (GaoBest at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:32:35 EST Subject: Sinister: various off-topics Message-ID: hey kids I'm seeing Billy Bragg tonight, and I'm wondeirng if those of you who've seen him on this tour can tell me about how long his set is. I should have asked this days ago, ack. Also was the rest of his US tour part of some Jade Neptune benefit - what exactly is Jade Neptune benefit anyways?? Also there's the Javits Center in Dublin (in northside as well, but very close to the bridge!) and Javits Center in NYC. Are they related, I've always wondered. Are there other Javits Centers in other major cities? I personally prefer to say "The Jarvis Center" instead of "The Javits Center" but that's just me. With the B&S references to supermarkets, I'm wondering if they'll ever write more songs related to the office-supply superstores (which are strong at least in the US, not sure if they're as prolific in the UK) - does anyone in this list work in the grocery or office supply industries? I was told that the US supermarkets sell diapers and baby products as loss-leaders, so I'm wondering if it's the supermarkets that take the loss, or if they pass the loss to the manufacturers. I was told from an office supply manufacturer that office supply shops sell paper clips super-cheap, but they do'nt take the loss, it's the manufacturers (mainly ACCO, Mead, and the other major vendors) who are forced to sell paper clips at a loss. He mentioned how he hates selling paper clips but he is forced to carry them in his catalog to offer the full-rnage of office-supply products. How can I find more good gossip 'bout these two industries, what are the better industry trade magazines that I should be getting? cheers mike +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rmj204 at xxx.edu Sat Dec 5 23:50:29 1998 From: rmj204 at xxx.edu (Rich Juzwiak) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:50:29 -0800 Subject: Sinister: The Gate!! Message-ID: <199812052052.PAA07313@is7.nyu.edu> Hey all- I've been reading people's (mostly negative) opinions about "The Gate" and I'm confounded! I just bought the "This Is Just a Modern Rock Song" EP...I like it a lot, and my ABSOLUTE favorite is "The Gate." I never thought that Isobel could write a song that's AS GOOD as Stuart's best songs. I dig "Is It Wicked Not to Care?" but this song is amazing, possibly my favorite from this TBWTAS-era... Just thought I'd share... Rich +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Sat Dec 5 21:01:24 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 21:01:24 +0000 Subject: Sinister: The Gate!! In-Reply-To: <199812052052.PAA07313@is7.nyu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981205210124.0079e6a0@mail.u-net.com> Rich Juzwiak wrote: >I've been reading people's (mostly negative) opinions about "The Gate" and >I'm confounded! I just bought the "This Is Just a Modern Rock Song" EP...I >like it a lot, and my ABSOLUTE favorite is "The Gate." I never thought >that Isobel could write a song that's AS GOOD as Stuart's best songs. I >dig "Is It Wicked Not to Care?" but this song is amazing, possibly my >favorite from this TBWTAS-era... Megan are you there? This bloke is somewhere near you, in the Uni.. can you pop round and see if he's ok, he doesn't sound very well to me. JJ x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Sat Dec 5 21:59:45 1998 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:59:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: not as sad as dostoyevsky. Message-ID: i used to think the above line was "not as fat as dostoyevsky". ;) anyway, i was going to write about how i got my first flame from someone on the list today. i'd like to point out to new people that there's no point in paying attention to private flames. private constuctive criticism, but someone who wants to inform you that you smell like "knat's piss" probably isn't anyone worth listening to. ;) today i bought the ep. i made a special trip out to the record store to pick it up. i'm listening to it right now. i know where the summer goes is better when stuart murdoch is bopping up and down right in front of you, but otherwise i like it. ;) i ran a lot of errands this afternoon, including buying a record player. i didn't mean to buy, i already have one though it skips sometimes and i don't like it too much. but there's a presbyterian church about two blocks from me. it's a beautiful church, one of the really old ones built with large brown stones that has pretty stained glass windows inside, the ornate type. they're going to have handel's messiah there on sunday, perhaps i'll go if i don't have any projects to do. er, ok, i digressed pretty badly there. anyway, in the churchyard, was a man in the kilt playing bagpipes. i'm not necessarily a huge fan of bagpipes, but he was playing beautifully. i got my lunch and sat on one of the little benches and watched him play, despite the intermittent car alarms and honks. christmas time in the city is soul crushing, it's loud and noisy and full and cruel. so sometimes the little beautiful things are more important then than at any other time. well, as to how i got the record player, there was a craftsfair at the church, so i was going to look for a christmas gift for my mom, but i ended up going downstairs to look at the fleamarket type stuff instead. hehe just heard the gate and it isn't half bad. this is a rather mellow ep. perhaps i'll listen to it while getting down with my bad self. ;) oh, and any girls of about 18 or 19 who were serious about acting in my films (you have to be free and able to get downtown aroudn 2pm on tuesday *or* thursday of this coming week) *please* write me. xox megan mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu visit the magnetic fields web page at: http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From brier at xxx.com Sun Dec 6 03:01:44 1998 From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:01:44 -0800 Subject: Sinister: The Stolen Child Message-ID: <003f01be20c4$c32ae640$b49fcdcf@brier> Thanks to Tami for the Saturday poem. It's The Stolen Child by W.B. Yeats. The Waterboys made it into a song on their "Fisherman's Blues" album, beautifully, with vocals shared between Mike Scott and Gaelic singer Tomas McKeown. Check it out Tami!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Sun Dec 6 04:05:40 1998 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 20:05:40 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Dog on Wheels EP, St Etienne in NYC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981205200540.00a31a60@mail.hooked.net> roight on! i noticed no superiority, but rather a clever, shortened way of noting the below... yeah! also i'm surprised that there was a response noting an admission of an error. i don't think it was a mistake at all - the closer you are to someone, the easier they can hurt you. who hasn't had a "friend" who did something injurious to you? hell, i had my best friend steal my first girlfriend when i was out of town... (years ago, of course). (all you "she and me" people, geez, excuse the grammar on the last sentence - i wanted gender neutral and using "himself" didn't sound wonderful. perhaps a restructuring would have been best. not a task to undertake on sat night.) pants+ <- sipping glenfiddich, warming toesies by the fire At 02:22 PM 12/5/98 -0500, **Megan Lehar** wrote: > >um, i thought what he was trying to say was that if someone was really your >friend, they wouldn't have stolen your copy of dog on wheels. > >xox >megan > >At 12:16 PM 12/5/98, MileEndGrl at aol.com wrote: >>In a message dated 12/4/98 3:20:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>johnj at seahouses.u-net.com writes: >> >><< MileEndGrl at aol.com wrote: >> >So I have recently discovered that my Dog on Wheels EP has been stolen by a >> >friend. >> >> Can any other Sinisteroids spot the glaring error in this statement? >> >> >>Okay, I HATE PEOPLE who think they are superior and have to put down peoples >>mistakes!!! I'm sorry if I offended anyone by having a mistake. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Sun Dec 6 06:24:23 1998 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 22:24:23 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Spreading the Gospel (peeling the paint) In-Reply-To: <000b01be2080$cf967780$25d9bfa8@ccypn023> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981205222423.008a2da0@mail.hooked.net> At 01:55 PM 12/5/98 -0500, Marty wrote: >Well, finally someone on the list who can help me not feel so old!!!!! I >have been married for 6 years, and we have 1 and 8/9ths kids. My 20-month >old likes B&S, but she likes Barney, too. Must be my wife's influence... well, while i don't know the average age on the list, i'm feeling both old and young at 29 - 30 in january. the 30 thing makes me reflect on similar old thoughts to yours... how i'd be 30 at the turn of the century. for all the responsibility i've accumulated, i don't feel that old in some respects. i still kinda float about, write cryptic lyrics and entwine sound mazes in music, have ramen lunches, and read the dostoevyski, murakami, bulgakovs of the world. i can still do several chin-ups. in that respect nothing's changed since 16. i still wanna change the world. i'm just more rational about how. somehow that seems like the worst thing in the world to me - not that the dream has died, but that the vivid color of yesteryear has paled to the 256 tones that i believe i can paint with today and the few walls that i'll let myself paint upon. i'm not a painter on any day but yesterday in that regard. i have no regrets, but only thing i wish i hadn't lost with age is my naivete'. it's a reverse colorization process and despite my love of black and white, i'm feeling the timber of gray is felling too many trees soundlessly in my forest today. enough personal droning. this feels the equiv of 'crapps last tape' with much less focus. stop. rewind. play. man named Pants <- delta, meaningless without the sea ^ PS: there's a math eq in that worth explaining. metaphors sometimes run true without specifying the object. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com Sun Dec 6 06:48:48 1998 From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 01:48:48 EST Subject: Sinister: youth movements and stuff... Message-ID: <2efa59b4.366a28d0@aol.com> Nice points Genevieve. I don't know if there is a youth movement surrounded about the Belle & Sebastian fanbase or any other quaint whimsical pop bands for that matter but it could possibly be assumed that all B&S fans are very compassionate for the earthly concerns that you mentioned. More interest for basic needs like food, air, water, shelter, clothing (fashion), and love (my only reason for living) instead of designer clothes, Nike, and ear piercings. I for one think daily about the dinosaurs and how they walked this planet before us and were erased as a species and that we will probably meet that same fate in the future if we are not careful and trendy posessions aren't timeless enough to be part of the scheme of things. If this be hippy talk, so be it. I'll gift the peaceful flower instead of casting a stone anyday. Peace, Pete +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gary at xxx.uk Sun Dec 6 12:09:16 1998 From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:09:16 -0000 Subject: Sinister: "99% of Gargoyles Look Like Bob Todd" In-Reply-To: <199812041210.MAA29603@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000201be2111$3e8de5c0$d49293c3@whelan> A light headed Matinee Mart wrote... "Still,=20 you can't help but love a team that had Morrissey playing for them,=20 can you?" He still is, sadly, I wish he'd get back to making records and quit football. He needs a haircut as well. How could you let Ray Mathias come back to Wigan, though?=20 That's two fucking great managers we've poached off you (though Bryan=20 Hamilton's not that popular down Wigan way any more). I don't know and I'm gutted, couldn't you have poached Aldo instead. Class player noone can deny it, but shit manager. Adrian "Boom Boom" Evans wrote.... "~~ As for Clinton Hill, are there any other second division footballers who share their names with parts of the US? I think we should be told. OI, we're a first division side if you don't mind, second class maybe, but first division. Anyway, I hear that there is someone called Flushing Meadows playing for Mansfield reserves. ~~ There aren't, I've checked...but your keeper is not unlike the Statue of Liberty at times....boom boom." Says you. Depends which one you mean, the one we shipped of to E***ton, Danny "I'm so short I could be one of the Krankies" Coyne, or the new Dutch fella who's top banana. Warrander John mentioned some bloke called Murdoch or something banging on about how he got into Gainesbourg via his top tune Harley Davidson. I've only heard the Mick Harvey version, but that is a tip top tune, I like it lot's. Are there loads of versions of it ?. Mr Miller aka Sister Disco wrote... What's all this about Pete Wylie? He's up on a charge of threatening to kill his ex-girlfriend. He should be up for releasing shit records and having an ego the size of a tower block as well. Gary, could you call your next message "99% of Gargoyles Look Like Bob Todd" please? For you anything, how's that ?. Any particular reason for this request Senor Miller ?. Keith mcl spoke of music for Autistic kids... My kid brother is Autistic and he likes "Don't Look back in Anger" by Oasis and Bewitched. When he was a baby, he liked Technotronic as well. Bye all Gary +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Sun Dec 6 12:01:27 1998 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (skg21 at xxx.uk) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 13:01:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: youth movements and stuff Message-ID: <1423815.3121938087@q7300-03.quns.cam.ac.uk> Genevieve wrote: > well,honestly..i don't think there is a big big movement with belle and > sebastian type youth...well,maybe there is in little unknown ways... I actually think there is a movement going on, which we are part of. It's not about trying to change the world by smashing the system or anything, it's about tolerance and generally being nice to people. In a way it's the antithesis of the punk movement. Sure, the world isn't the best place on earth, but by friendliness, humility and consideration we can make it better. And the great thing about it is that you can see results immediately - just by being kind to someone you can make them happier. It is very different from previous 'youth' movements in that it is locally, rather than globally, minded which is why it doesn't get as much attention, but it's still going on. We are all part of it - 800 people and noone is abusive on the list ever, which is quite impressive. > heather: >>This is what I consider to be so interesting about this movement, it's >>niceness. Please, someone, explain this to me. Are the hugs, fuzzy >>sweaters, comeraderie with one's parents all a symbol of a greater >>cultural fear of the millenial unknown, or is this for real? I love the >>music, but I'd like to solve the mystery of the seemingly docile youth > who >>follow it. > > i don't think they are really docile..i mean would not exactly call my > relationship with my parents very comeraderie,my halo isn't exactly > gleaming..i mean sure we share little stories on here,but there's a lot > of darkness that people just aren't going to see...but again,maybe > elsewhere these fuzzy sweater people are like that,i can only speak from > what i do and see. Well personally my family's going through a bad patch at the moment, which is why I'm dreading spending most of the next 4 weeks with my parents. The difference is that (like just about everyone in this hypothesised movement I guess) I will still do so, and try my best to keep everyone getting on with each other. Everyone gets annoyed at some things and some people - what matters is what you do about it. I would never describe myself as a hippy (although free love would go down well at times ;-) ), but I respect what they tried to achieve far more than the punks. I'm far too cynical to believe that we can all love everyone - there will always be people you don't get on with - but you have to be able to live with those people. Apologies if I'm sounding like a moral preacher, that's not what I intend at all; I'm just describing how I think most of us, and an increasing number of people in general, live our lives. And I happen to think that it's a good thing. As for a musical movement, that's a different kettle of fish. The trend over the last 5 years seems to have been a history of pop music. It started with Britpop - basically a 60s revival - and has so far been through prog, glam, 80s dance music, the current 80s crap pop revival (Stock Aitken and Waterman all over again) amongst other things, in proportion with their importance and durability at the time. Maybe B&S will slot into an acoustic revival next year, who knows. There hasn't been a genuinely new sound to any popular music since grunge (which wasn't far away from punk anyway). Have people run out of ideas? Is pop music's 50-year reign as leisure pursuit of choice for the young finally coming to an end? Reading through the above, it all seems very mellow and reflective - just the mood I'm in today I guess (partly because it's the end of term and I've been saying goodbye to loads of people, including some old friends who've been here this weekend that I haven't seen for ages and won't again for ages; and partly because I'm a bit hungover). And you've probably all given up and gone home by this point. I just wanted to set out my point of view, in case anyone agrees or indeed cares. Oh, and while I'm here, the list crush site. I've had a few emails regarding its merits of otherwise, which will all be taken into consideration. For now it's staying there, but I should warn you all that since neither David nor I will be around over the next few weeks it won't be maintained particularly; so if there's any names you want putting on the list (or taking off it) do something about it now... Big Stu In my liver: far too much beer and wine +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Sun Dec 6 13:53:26 1998 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (WeeJay) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:53:26 -0000 Subject: (Fwd) Re: Sinister: Bookness Message-ID: <199812061347.NAA08856@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Oops, I sent this to JJ by mistake. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: johnj at seahouses.u-net.com Subject: Re: Sinister: Bookness Send reply to: V0168JE2 at solent.ac.uk Date sent: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:28:09 -0000 JJ wrote: > Mick McMick wrote: > > Ursula K. Leguin (though > >I can't remember a stitch of A Wrinkle in Time for the life of me) and > >especially yes to Frank Herbert. Right now, I'm reading his Children of > >Dune > Doh! > A Wrinkle In Time, 'Mick', was of course written by Madeline L'Engle > although I may have spelt her name incorrectly..I haven't looked for a > webpage about her yet because it's early in the morning, but that was > ALSO a good book as was it's sequel.. This hasn't anthing to do with that, but it's the closest quote I can be bothered to find... Anyway, whoever said that Ursula Leguin's adult fiction wasn't any good was wrong, wrong, wrong, as wrong as can be! The Lathe of Heaven has to be one of the most inspirational things I've ever read - It's about this man who when he goes to sleep has strange dreams, then when he wakes up the world has changed to fit in with his dreams, and only he knows that it's ever been different. He goes to a psyciatrist who is sceptical at first, but then realises it's true, and abuses it by hypnotising him to make him dream of a world that embodies the psyciatrist's pretty dodgy futurist ideas. I'm not saying any more as I don't want to spoil it, but WOW! it's really reccomended. And I briefly said that my favorite CS book was 'The Horse and His Boy' with no explanation. Well, here goes - I liked the whole series, but it alweays struck me as a little unimaginative in a way, in that it had all the usual animals you can see in that kind of thing. But in THAHB insead of some children coming into it, yyou have the whole thing set within that world and you get to see a much more interesting bit of it. I used that quote from JJ cos he also said: > The Dune series, however, what a load of pretentious wank. I could be > wrong about those, after all they are dreadfully popular. I bought 4 of > them before I realised that it wasn't me, it was the books that were crap. I have tried in vain several times to read 'Dune' but it really escapes me. It's like some civil service document in that you get the impression that the author wants you to only understand half of what he's saying. To read it, it seems, you need to understand his fictional universe in the first place, and to do that of course, you need to read the books. I don't know, I'll get back to Zola instead. > Have a lovely weekend, it's time for BACON sarnies now... Sarnies!?! They're butties and you know it. Pah, home counties boys! I'd send Brad around to whip your pasty hide if it wasn't for the fact that I'd have to actually meet him and therefore fall under his bad influence again. And yes, that's my staple diet at uni too, as opposed to home where I'm nearly a vegetarian. This must be my first re: message. Yeay! Choccaboy checking out, WeeJay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx James at twopounds.u-net.com "I know there's a lot of bass players in the audience tonight, I know living amongst the constructions that the people in power have built doesn't feel so right" mAKE UP - "We Can't Be Contained" http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/ (Which will no longer crash your computer. Hopefully.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Sun Dec 6 14:32:55 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 14:32:55 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Talk is cheap on satellite In-Reply-To: <199812061347.NAA08856@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981206143255.0079a590@mail.u-net.com> WeeJay wrote: > > Sarnies!?! They're butties and you know it. Pah, home >counties boys! Eee, you cheeky get. I'm from Manchester mate, and I'll call them what I want, be it a bacon barm, a bacon bap, bacon butty or bacon SANDWICH. P.S. I finished off the bacon this morning, you have to cook it until it burns a bit to get the full crispy flavour. Has anyone else had a "ketchup accident" over the weekend? Diet Dr Pepper is great. JJ xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keeprighton at xxx.com Sun Dec 6 17:01:59 1998 From: keeprighton at xxx.com (chris skudder) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 09:01:59 PST Subject: Sinister: youth movements and stuff Message-ID: <19981206170200.25318.qmail@hotmail.com> just testing my effing computer >From owner-sinister at majordomo.net Sun Dec 6 05:04:00 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon at localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA24355; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:02:08 GMT >Received: by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:01:36 +0000 >Received: (from majordomo at localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA24175 for sinister-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:01:15 GMT >Received: from violet.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim at violet.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.58]) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA24107 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:00:52 GMT >From: skg21 at xxx.uk >Received: from q7300-03.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.92] ident=PDB32) > by violet.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) > id 0zmdoX-0000F3-00 > for sinister at majordomo.net; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:01:29 +0000 >Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 13:01:27 +0100 >To: sinister at majordomo.net >Subject: Re: Sinister: youth movements and stuff >Message-ID: <1423815.3121938087 at q7300-03.quns.cam.ac.uk> >X-Mailer: Mulberry (MacOS) [1.2.3, s/n S-100001] >X-Authenticated: skg21 by imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk >X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Reply-To: skg21 at hermes.cam.ac.uk >X-List: Sinister > > >Genevieve wrote: > >> well,honestly..i don't think there is a big big movement with belle and >> sebastian type youth...well,maybe there is in little unknown ways... > >I actually think there is a movement going on, which we are part of. It's >not about trying to change the world by smashing the system or anything, >it's about tolerance and generally being nice to people. In a way it's the >antithesis of the punk movement. Sure, the world isn't the best place on >earth, but by friendliness, humility and consideration we can make it >better. And the great thing about it is that you can see results >immediately - just by being kind to someone you can make them happier. It >is very different from previous 'youth' movements in that it is locally, >rather than globally, minded which is why it doesn't get as much attention, >but it's still going on. We are all part of it - 800 people and noone is >abusive on the list ever, which is quite impressive. > >> heather: >>>This is what I consider to be so interesting about this movement, it's >>>niceness. Please, someone, explain this to me. Are the hugs, fuzzy >>>sweaters, comeraderie with one's parents all a symbol of a greater >>>cultural fear of the millenial unknown, or is this for real? I love the >>>music, but I'd like to solve the mystery of the seemingly docile youth >> who >>>follow it. >> >> i don't think they are really docile..i mean would not exactly call my >> relationship with my parents very comeraderie,my halo isn't exactly >> gleaming..i mean sure we share little stories on here,but there's a lot >> of darkness that people just aren't going to see...but again,maybe >> elsewhere these fuzzy sweater people are like that,i can only speak from >> what i do and see. > >Well personally my family's going through a bad patch at the moment, which >is why I'm dreading spending most of the next 4 weeks with my parents. The >difference is that (like just about everyone in this hypothesised movement >I guess) I will still do so, and try my best to keep everyone getting on >with each other. Everyone gets annoyed at some things and some people - >what matters is what you do about it. > >I would never describe myself as a hippy (although free love would go down >well at times ;-) ), but I respect what they tried to achieve far more than >the punks. I'm far too cynical to believe that we can all love everyone - >there will always be people you don't get on with - but you have to be able >to live with those people. > >Apologies if I'm sounding like a moral preacher, that's not what I intend >at all; I'm just describing how I think most of us, and an increasing >number of people in general, live our lives. And I happen to think that >it's a good thing. > > >As for a musical movement, that's a different kettle of fish. The trend >over the last 5 years seems to have been a history of pop music. It started >with Britpop - basically a 60s revival - and has so far been through prog, >glam, 80s dance music, the current 80s crap pop revival (Stock Aitken and >Waterman all over again) amongst other things, in proportion with their >importance and durability at the time. Maybe B&S will slot into an acoustic >revival next year, who knows. There hasn't been a genuinely new sound to >any popular music since grunge (which wasn't far away from punk anyway). >Have people run out of ideas? Is pop music's 50-year reign as leisure >pursuit of choice for the young finally coming to an end? > > >Reading through the above, it all seems very mellow and reflective - just >the mood I'm in today I guess (partly because it's the end of term and I've >been saying goodbye to loads of people, including some old friends who've >been here this weekend that I haven't seen for ages and won't again for >ages; and partly because I'm a bit hungover). And you've probably all given >up and gone home by this point. I just wanted to set out my point of view, >in case anyone agrees or indeed cares. > > >Oh, and while I'm here, the list crush site. I've had a few emails >regarding its merits of otherwise, which will all be taken into >consideration. For now it's staying there, but I should warn you all that >since neither David nor I will be around over the next few weeks it won't >be maintained particularly; so if there's any names you want putting on the >list (or taking off it) do something about it now... > >Big Stu > >In my liver: far too much beer and wine >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From susannah at xxx.net Sun Dec 6 22:20:07 1998 From: susannah at xxx.net (susannah) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 98 22:20:07 GMT Subject: Sinister: Ten apples up on top Message-ID: <981206222007.n0020365.tormentor@mail.clara.net> Dear Kids, Its again been another decade since I last posted to the list, mainly due to the world and his mother now subscribing, plus my Dad saying to me 'do you know theres a Belle and Sebastian web site, and a mailing list?' no, Dad I didn't. Well he says, 'I'll log on and get some information for you if you like.' Please GOD, let him not find the drunk photos of me or my sleaze quiz post from 1974 or he'll send my Christmas presents back to Santa. So is anyone appearing on the TV in Belle and Sebastian fancy dress? Or will it just be Neil, in comedy wig and glasses, standing with his back to the camera doing that thing you do when you pretend someones feeling you up, only its just you on your own. If I had the guts I'd challenge Stu to a boxing match, yeah, really! The thing is, I joined a gym, and one day this bloke roped me into to a boxing class to make up the numbers, and it was grate. I learned all the moves, left jab, right jab, right hook, uppercut. thing is , we were only hitting punchbags and them pads you put on your hands, but once you get going, the desire to actually land one smack on someones jaw becomes overwhelming. Only my flatmate doesnt really seem up for it, and the only person I can think of is Murdoch. And I'm still pissed off with him about Manchester. So, Stu if you're reading how about it? we can do it wherever you want, in London, in Glasgow, in the mud. Naked. Sorry. I am moving out my house next week. God knows where. No, really! Thing is, Its all been so hectic the past couple of weeks I've not even thought about looking for a flat, and the landlords selling up. If anyone knows a one bedroom flat for rent, up to 450 smackers a month, let me know. Don't even thinkof offering me a room in a houseshare as I am untidy, smelly, come home at all hours, have a variety of undesirable boyfriends, and sometimes soil the carpet. Actually I'm a perfect flatmate but I just don't like people. Katrina! I have dreamt about members of Ride for the last two nights running, only Andy Bell was just a head. Hmmm. Well! thats the end of my post then. I am currently trying to think up a fantastically amusing storyline for a dirty dream video, but it wouldn't pass the censors. Did you know that channel 4 are to screen a documentary on bestiality? Set your videos. love Susannah. xxxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mctag at xxx.com Sun Dec 6 23:29:44 1998 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 23:29:44 GMT Subject: Sinister: KoC fun Message-ID: <366c0dd0.43026468@post.demon.co.uk> Hello Little Ones, I just went into our local newsagent and saw that B&S advert in Select that everyone's going on about, and it's ace. I suggest you all go and have a look. Inside back cover as JJ said, I wouldn't want any of you to unnecessarily waste your money on magazines, unless...you know. Because I'm very cultured, I recognised the picture in the advert as being from the Jean-Luc Godard film "Une femme mariee" as I'm sure you all noticed. Funnily enough, I recently bought the make up's "Untouchable sound" single, the sleeve of which is also uses lots of images from Godard films. Mere coincidence? Who cares? Even though Mick doubts that nice John Warrander chap's soft rock credentials, John just bought me the Sagittarius LP "Present Tense", which was very kind of him. I don't know how I lived without it frankly, it's the most wonderful thing, even better than the Millenium. Last night everyone's favourite Norwegians the Kings of Convenience played at the Star and Garter. They were very good. They even did a Nick Drake song to increase their Sinister cred. Well, maybe that's not actually why they did it. Later one of the Kings, Erlend, shook his rather pert booty upstairs at Smile, where some juvenile fopp, a drunken Aberdonian and an Eskimo were DJing, without the benefit of headphones. Like troopers. Keith, we played "Ace of Spades", where were you? Duke, if you interview Lawrence, ask him if he still thinks Dani Behr is "a bit of allroight". Susannah's back! She'll tell us what to do. Susannah, are you going to box Stu then? Wouldn't mud wrestling be better? I'd pay good money to watch that. Love Tag xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DMBesPhish at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 00:56:56 1998 From: DMBesPhish at xxx.com (DMBesPhish at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:56:56 EST Subject: Sinister: (no subject) Message-ID: hallo! well this is my first time post...i have also been lurking about for a while. i must agree and say that you all are a very clever bunch, and i have much to learn about being smutty and witty. but for now ill just be the same old chap i always am. on a musical note (ha, get it?) ill tell you guys a little about my music. one side of me is really into the hippie music (dave matthews band, phish, ben harper, ekoostik hookah...) and the other side is starting to get more and more into the indie scene. so far ive really only been exposed to belle and sebastian and elliott smith. but dont worry im gettin there. i have realaudio so if anyone tells of any bands they think i should have a listen to i would be more than happy to hear of them. some of my other favorite bands are...smashing pumpkins, radiohead, R.E.M, the beatles, and tom waits. and i have recently discovered gomez...which is my new obsession. im sort of a mix between hippie and indie, but on some of my hardcore hippie days ill probably talk like an earthchild, so you guys will just have to put up with me :) and as for c.s. lewis and madeline d'engle? i appreciate their writing but ive only read the lion, the witch, and the wardrobe and a wrinkle in time so far. im not very big on reading. probably cos the only thing i ever have time to read are the sections in my history textbook. but another one of my favorite authors is j.d. salinger. hes prettty clever. well i guess thats the end of my first letter, not much else to say really. oh yeah...whats with that list crush thing? ahh i dont really understand it...but then again i dont understand a lot of things :) well...im probably rambling on like a bore now so... xo, jackie in my cd player: IYFS +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From z2d71t.044 at xxx.it Mon Dec 7 01:04:51 1998 From: z2d71t.044 at xxx.it (Massimiliano Bernardini) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 02:04:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: kids toda References: <01be1fe1$54fe30c0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <366B29B3.AEC82EDB@tellnet.pesaro.ps.it> Ivo A P Escossia ha scritto: > This is not that main subject > But i like Belle and Sebastian (the world is not just LIKE) cause they are > not in any "music scene". > I can not see them as Twee or just another Indie-Pop band. > It's not like Shoegazing > It's not like Class of 86 > It's not like Indie-Dance (here in Brazil) ..Madchester ( in England, or > not ?) > It's not like Blondi(e) Fever (remember Darling Buds, Primitives, Heart > Throbs and Flatmates? ooops !! and PARACHUTE MAN ??????) > It's not like Gothic (oh my God, is REALLY true that Bauhaus is BACK ?) > It's not Romo (What ? Simon Price ??? ) > Am i wrong ? > > ~~~^~^v^~^v^~^v^~^v^~v^~^v^~^v^~ Ivo A P Escossia > You are a mod! You are a punk! You are a dark! You are grunge! These are words in mouth of people everyday. We live in a big botanical garden, everyone with his label. I'm a person! I don't need labels. Music don't need labels. B&S don't too. Ivo, you're right! cheers, Passi. > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkolmar at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 03:24:18 1998 From: mkolmar at xxx.com (Mark Kolmar) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:24:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: semi-off-topic: MP3s Message-ID: I think you will see the relevance. In case you think it is all one, big happy, fuzzy, cuddlefest in the music business. Public Enemy had put up MP3 of at least one previously-unreleased track. Then: "12.02.98 BTN 2000 UPDATE It seems like the weasels have stepped into the fire.... Today Polygram/Universal or whatever the fuck they're now called forced us to remove the mp3 version of Bring The Noise 2000. The execs, lawyers and accountants who lately have made most of the money in the music biz, are now running scared from the technology that evens out the creative field and makes artists harder to pimp. Let em all die... Im glad to be a contributor to the bomb... "Caaan yoooooou dig it!?" -Cyrus (Warriors) CHUCK D" from http://www.public-enemy.com/audiovideo/btn.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Mon Dec 7 07:54:10 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:54:10 -0800 Subject: Sinister: beat patrol, thoughts on evolution of consciousness Message-ID: <000d01be21b6$c738b760$0e11020a@rebelstrange> greetings, nothing witty to start out with..... iv'e just finished off my champagne and chinese food as my sickness seems to have disappeared, thank heaven. so i'm a bit out of it, but not that much. Firstly, the dapper and helpful weeJay has suggested to me RE the Isobel shrine, that such a structure would be lacking without the benefit of the isobel interview in the beat patrol recording. *sigh* would any sweet souls be willing to help me out, if not for charity and posterity, then for appropriate recompense?? just a thought. i've been probably too busy asking for things around here. but it's hard living in the Bible Belt. *whine, whine, whine* leave alone the nice fella who likes the gate, eh? let us enjoy our isobel in peace. we never bothered you all with your stinky "century of elvis" did we?? (Without intent to generalize!=) i just read the belle lettres the other day, and let me say i was touched beyond words. maybe it hit a little too close to home for me at this time. it was quite beautiful. like i said iw as touched beyond words, so not much to say. i'd like to thank MTV for showcasing a relentless pile of crap ska and industrial and joke-rock, and billing it as an alternative to mainstream crap. this provides me with endless amusement at other's expense. oh looky, another bunch of dork-wads with spiked hair and bug sunglasses and snowboards on their record covers, i can hardly wait for the wisdom this lot will surely spew. i think we should all go to 120 minutes page and deluge them with so many belle and sebastian requests that their server goes down. they had i noticed last week, a clip for is it wicked on the openeing page of 120 minutes section, i was quite shocked as i had never even been to that page before. i really need to put in my lousy 2 cents, that will surely make a difference against the million emails they get daily reading like so: "Hey Carson, you rock!! would you PLEEEEZE play the offspring's ""Pretty Fly (For a White Guy)" for me and my boyfriend Jaymes? he thinks those naked girls by the pool are SOOOO sexy!!!" well i supose it couldn't hurt to pretend to be a nice fuzzy sweater movement and request fuzzy music instead of, uh, well crap. as per youth movements i think someone said this in a way, but seems we have almost moved beyond the point of authentic singularity in groups as a trend--in the sense that everything has been recycled, we are only taking the basics planted before and moving them to the next level, as it were, amalgamating all prior knowledge and reforming it to suit the advancement of our consciousness. now we have fake movements like the current apparent revival of disco/electronic/sugary/single-phrase beyond-retro pop, like that music sounds better with you song. what is the deal with that anyway? dmitri from paris fits into there too, in my view. istn' belle and sebastian a bit of an appropriate denial of such, that masquerades as innovative, but is fundamentially empty. some things can't really be improved upon. sounds can be re-designed and mixed up, but without the emotion and substance behind it, it's only a stopping point on the road to someone who can utilize it within a larger context. fatboy slim maybe nice background noise, but who's gonna hear that and have a revelation of spirit??? enough of my silly opinions. (not!) i think we are a nice pseudo-movement. i dont know isn't that a bit of an indie 'trend' that of connecting more directly to the fans, grass roots so to speak? but that's a lot of DIY too from punk. punk was necessary to break out at that time, but punk is outdated now, the ethic has been interpolated into day-to-day so the extreme is obsolete. isn't it, really.... niceness is a kind of revolt now, away from the me me 80's, and away from the millenial furor and marilyn manson's supposed rebellion which is really as i stated, obsolete, we've had all that already, there is no more shocking thing to do than smile at your neighbor and ride buses quietly. it's a nice respite from those who claim we're gonna have to go MAD to move intothe next century, but we know don't we, there is going to be no paradigm shift a la PUNK extremes, 2001 comes and sad librarians will still be singing about their dogs on wheels, and i'll still be thinking of my photo jeny. all those who think it's going to explode are going to be crushed by their own predictions. we sit in our windows watching them go by, and turn back to drink some tea and toast the new era. there are better ways of evolving and i think we have got it all right. So who want's to blow up the Capitol building eh? eh? let's resurrect gg allin!!! cheers to all the luvverly kiddies who have got their placid boots on right. not docile, passively resistant. the best way to make a bully mad, is to ignore them and go on with your business. we'll show them ... jonathon richman, what the hell??? i have lost patience with the pseudo millenium. there is no such thing. well enough to have dirty dreams again, lesley Jo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 07:11:08 1998 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 23:11:08 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Kostars Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981206231108.02f7fe10@mail.hooked.net> what's people's take on bands like the Kostars? definitely not lyrically like b&s, but what is the (not so) subtle difference that splits them? i could classify all the exact characteristics, but i'm wondering if there is an "essence" that defines b&s vs. other clever, folksy-ecletic, alternapop. maybe it's just the cardigans and general artsy knowledge that's pervasive. another q - vespas. what's the connection? don't blame it on some cultural syzygy of 1978 rome and 1998 uk either... and why am i loathe to use the expression 'deja' vu'? isn't there some other way to describe the feeling? siddharta never wore his trousers rolled OR ate a peach. apologies for the questions without the multiple choice. Senor Droolcup +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 07:17:00 1998 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 23:17:00 -0800 Subject: Sinister: kids toda In-Reply-To: <366B29B3.AEC82EDB@tellnet.pesaro.ps.it> References: <01be1fe1$54fe30c0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981206231700.02fc1de0@mail.hooked.net> Describe to me what sort of music you like in less than a sentence and most likely you'll find some sort of stereotypical label. I'm loathe to believe that a world without definitions is a good world. I think that you're reacting to the manner in which people judge harshly without examining a subject themselves - I'd say an entirely different matter than actually giving a name to something like "modernism" or "alternative" or "classic rock". While it's good to be open-minded, I don't like "fusion" much for example, whereas I might like "contemporary classical". Useful definitions I'd say. As for splitting hairs about where groups lie, I think that the more specific the characteristics of the classifications, the more likely a group spans multiple sets. Senor Droolcup At 02:04 AM 12/7/98 +0100, Massimiliano Bernardini wrote: >I'm a person! >I don't need labels. >Music don't need labels. >B&S don't too. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 07:33:06 1998 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 23:33:06 -0800 Subject: Sinister: beat patrol, thoughts on evolution of consciousness In-Reply-To: <000d01be21b6$c738b760$0e11020a@rebelstrange> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981206233306.02fa2e50@mail.hooked.net> At 11:54 PM 12/6/98 -0800, Lesley J. Miller wrote: >i think we are a nice pseudo-movement. i dont know isn't that a bit of an >indie 'trend' that of connecting more directly to the fans, grass roots so >to speak? but that's a lot of DIY too from punk. punk was necessary to >break out at that time, but punk is outdated now, the ethic has been >interpolated into day-to-day so the extreme is obsolete. isn't it, >really.... > >niceness is a kind of revolt now, away from the me me 80's. i'm not convinced b&s is all about niceness rather than communication. the basis for a lot of their lyrics is twisted social relations, not patting each other on the back and saying "cheers". the fans that surround the music are more likely drawn together by the lyrical wit, catchy melodies, and self-effacing mannerisms mixed with an honesty about all the things we know aren't wonderful and take in stride anyway. is there is a certain sort of solitude that's odd that we share? the one thing i find most interesting about this list is that so many posts go unanswered and yet we cling to the submissions. it's the conflict between needing personal relationships and needing distance to prolong a tension of being solo that maybe is a part of everyone's character. i think this bi-polarity of attraction/repulsion is mirrored in what the internet is all about - connecting and disconnecting, not always sync at the same time, but circling each other with interest, fear, and hope. anyway, i find even talking about this is like viewing the cornfield as a crow in the sky and knowing the husks are full, the scarecrows are unpredictably placed, and i'm hungry. does anyone correspond by handwritten letters anymore? maybe someone should gather up an assortment of all the "real" addresses of people on the list, randomly distribute them and have each list member write someone else without ever expecting any responses. maybe one letter every two months. short or long, but with the same sort of content as people are pouring out on this list. senor droolcup <- penless in seattle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frantila at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 11:14:01 1998 From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:14:01 EET Subject: Sinister: ranting and raving and saying things. Message-ID: <19981207091401.10771.qmail@hotmail.com> Ooh, another weekend wasted. When do I grow up? Probably never. Oh well... Oh man, this indie/pop/indiepop- conversation here too!! Can't I escape it ANYWHERE? Just had a discussion about that with my friends. Hated it. SSOOO stupid. They said I was poppy. Oh well, if I HAD to be something, well that then. But if I own three albums from Korn, some John Coltrane, some finnish tango-albums and HUGE loads of compilation vinyls from the 80's (Kylie, Belinda, Nik Kershaw, you know the lot) does that mean that I'm not poppy anymore? Or does that make me even more indie/schimdie??? AND ANOTHER THING (I'm on the roll now)!!!! Ok, My ex said that I live a "pop-lifestyle". What the hell is that? Ok, I go out about twice a week to see bands. And yes, those bands have guitars and drums and yes, you might dance to them. And YES, I do drink beer and YES I do indeed wear cardigans (wearing one right now) and black polo-shirts... But still. Isn't that just... well, normal? Hmm, sorry, I didn't mean to get so upset in front of you. Ok, quote of the day: "If you light the match quick enough, you can see the darkness flickering inside the flame." -ME, but I kinda borrowed that sentance from someone. Just altered it a bit. You know who said that? Competition is declared here. No prizes to be won, though. Listening to: this annoying humming sound that comes from the lamps here in the virtualroom in the Open University. I'm going bonkers. @--->--- A rose, love and other pretty things, jarkko. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Mon Dec 7 10:39:33 1998 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:39:33 +0000 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Christine Nostlinger's books Message-ID: Hi! Vanessa has complained several times, as she is the only Ausrian apparently in the list, so this posting is especially addressed to her, as I guess not many UK/North American listees are into Christine Nostlinger . She is an Austrian writers whose books for kids are fantastic. I read lots of her stuff when I was a child and also during my teens, I used to exchange her books with my cousins and neighbours. 'Konrad' is my absolutely favourite.It is about a boy who is made in a factory , that's why he is perfect, he always tidies his bedroom in time, he loves to go to school every morning and never has lollipops or icecreams because it's unhealthy.In spite of all these big defects, he is a lovely person, but the other kids at school cannot share this point of view , and he has to change ...etc in order not to be resent to a proper family instead of the quite hectic but friendly lady who has become his adoptive mother mistakenly Try to read it some time , it's great! Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From GaoBest at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 08:15:29 1998 From: GaoBest at xxx.com (GaoBest at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 03:15:29 EST Subject: Sinister: st etienne in san francisco Message-ID: <3cf82131.366b8ea1@aol.com> hey kids i'm just wondering if anyone's gonna see St Et in SF on thursday, or go to their mod lang autograph session. also, any idea as to when B&S are going to play in SF? just wondering. xox mike +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Mon Dec 7 11:34:35 1998 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:34:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: this is just a (post)modern rock song Message-ID: darling list, things which made this young girl sigh on receipt of TIJAMRS ce matin: 1/ stuart sings 'lucid when i'm writing songs' not ..'riding buses' :( 2/ no twiddly vocal on 'feeling strange' or 'rock and roll' :( so i prefer the session version definitely. BUT things which made me smile: 1/ "interminable 3 chord break" written in the sleeve notes 2/ isobel's vocal on "The Gate" proving her worthy once and for all of lesley jo's (and everyone else's) adoration (though the tune itself is not so hot) 3/ the whole of "slow graffiti" - oscar wilde reference, right? 4/ getting the Cd in the post in the first place. B&S over breakfast on a monday morning! what could be better? something that grabbed me the other day: heather's post about the earthquake. what if it actually WAS wild horses galloping both above and below your house? how cool would that be? much more exciting than a mere earth tremor i think. sorry, "i'll admit i'm feeling strange". for the record, i went fully clothed as cathy from wuthering heights to the fancy dress party - how dare you think i was being suggestive, any of you? (especially mark 'rude boy' casarotto). :) smileys, archel "Watching friends playing in the dirt Feeling hard but feeling hurt" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth rap101 at york.ac.uk http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nobody can be uncheered with a balloon." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Mon Dec 7 12:44:16 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:44:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Vive la Bagatelle! NBSC Message-ID: <01be21df$4ce5ba20$LocalHost@itjfvkli> David Moore wrote: I do have three offspring, but when the eldest is 20 its hard to think of them as children. More often than not, I think of them as my mates. If I ever have children I shall think of them as slave labour, thrash them accordingly, and feed them to the local chimney sweeps. Gary, can we have the Ted Moult one next? Susannah said: Did you know that channel 4 are to screen a documentary on bestiality? Set your videos. It's funny you should mention that, because just look what I found! Perhaps this could be the inaugural waddling of the Pervy Pop Penguin, just like the Poetry Parrot only a bit pervy? A HORRIBLE CASE OF BESTIALITY There was a youth whose name was Stuart Murdoch...He was this year detected of buggery, and indicted for the same, with a mare, a cow, two goats, five sheep, two calves and a turkey. Horrible it is to mention, but the truth of the history requires it. He was first discovered by one Isobel Campbell, who accidentally saw his lewd practice towards the mare. (I forebear particulars.) Being upon it examined and committed, in the end he not only confessed the fact with that beast at that time, but sundry times before and at several times with all the forenamed in his indictment.....And whereas some of the sheep could not so well be known by his description of them, others with them were brought before him and he declared which were they and which were not. And accordingly he was cast by the jury and condemned, and after executed about the 8th of september, 1642. A very sad spectacle it was. by William Bradford, 1642 Shocking stuff, eh? Could it be that our own Stuart Murdoch is the pop reincarnation of this wicked fellow? I think so. Examine his genitals immediately, Doctor Baxter! Any sign of goat poo in his pubes? Hmmm. Is the new EP out today? Don't forget to ask your local stockist how many copies they've ordered! Of such stuff fine mailing lists are formed. I am about to attempt something breathtaking and daring, not unlike the collaboration between Russians and Americans on the troubled MIR space station. I am going to contribute to a thread that I noticed over on the fabled Shalala list. Our twee chums were discussing the demise of Creation Records, a topic that inspired Shalalalanians to impressively lengthy ponderings last month. Here is my own grain of sand, which may or may not have been covered without me noticing: About the time when Creation were bought by Sony, there wasa business programme on the telly that was devoted to the music industry for one week only. They investigated the M People phenomenon and some other stuff, including Creation. Alan McGee said fairly clearly that Creation was going to be a load of shite from then on, or at least he said the Sony influence would probably change their way of working. Also, after the success of Nirvana, there were seminars and stuff about marketing music after Nirvana, and I suspect that Creation people were jotting everything down in their notebooks to use it all on Oasis. None of the above of accounts for Slowdive and Ride and all that lot though, so it's probably all rubbish. I just wanted to get an idea of what it's like to be on Shalala. I look forward to the updating of the archives, a whole month of pop gumdrops in one sitting! Chuck D should wash his mouth out with soap and water. I thought that when he got mad he put it down on a pad and gave us something that we never had. Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jonlrich at xxx.edu Mon Dec 7 11:25:24 1998 From: jonlrich at xxx.edu (The boy done wrong again) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 06:25:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: SiniStereo: where is my UK dictionary when I need it? In-Reply-To: <199811161248.MAA27545@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: -----O.K.--------------- this just in from a boy trying to forget about the paper that was due last friday and then maybe slated for completion today but probably being put aside to write email here in unseasonably warm Indiana-- after much of this debate about the "twee"ness of B&S I searched out a Scottish woman in my building for clarification on this Twee thing...and she was lost...that's what you get for being a woodwind player in music school in indiana but anyway.I really have been dying to know what this twee thing is...is it precious? precocious? precarious? ummmmmmmm... anyway....I suppose I should really get to that there paper now but also I guess I might join in with this top (insert # here) of 98 so without further ado.... 1. Will Oldham Black/Rich Music (A must) 2. Cat Power Moon Pix 3. B/S tbwtas 4. DJ Spooky Riddem Warfare 5. That creepy "Best of..." Morrissey album...O.K. they're all old songs but still, c'mon..... biggest dissapointment(S) 1. Pulp THis is Hardcore (next time lock him back up with the bottle and let him write the songs all in a weekend...worked for DC didn't it?) that's it. by the way, a wave to the person who had been boosting Niagra,Niagra...rented it tonight and was charmed... bye now. (47) P.S. for all you web types with a realAudio player try to find www.wfhb.com on yur browser...it is thi lokal radio station that is the only placeI have heard a full B/S song 'cept for on my own little headphones... boo-hoo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Mon Dec 7 14:16:13 1998 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:16:13 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: Interminable 3 sausage breakfast Message-ID: Hooray! I've got This Is Just A Modern Rock Song and it is ace! I don't think The Gate is half bad either. Maybe that's just because I was expecting it to be awful. And, oooh, has it got a banjo in it? I love all 7 minutes of TIJAMRS, especially the lovely harmony at the end that makes me wish the song was even longer. It's nice to have your expectations satisfied. No story on the sleeve, mind, but the "interminable 3 chord break" is there instead. So I think the EP is lovely. But not as lovely as the delectable Arantxa who tastes of lollipops. Robin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shop at xxx.uk Mon Dec 7 14:23:45 1998 From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 14:23:45 +0000 Subject: Sinister: this is just a (post)modern rock song References: Message-ID: <366BE4F1.16ED4D61@jeepster.co.uk> Archel wrote: > > darling list, > > things which made this young girl sigh on receipt of TIJAMRS ce matin: > > 1/ stuart sings 'lucid when i'm writing songs' not ..'riding buses' :( > 2/ no twiddly vocal on 'feeling strange' or 'rock and roll' :( this always happens, and well, i may appear heartless, but isn't it almost justice? a lot of you spend ages tracing every recording, and you grow so familiar to them and their quirks, that when a finished version is released, well, there's little excitement and lots of criticism! the few of you that go so far will never be as happy with a new release as the ones that do nothing except buy the records. jees! this is b&s we're talking about, the songs are wonderful!!! more than that they're the soundtrack to our lives!!!!!! and who cares if it isn't the same version with the same quirks as the one that stuart m recorded in a trappist monastary on the head-monks ansaphone some 20 years ago? isn't it more than that now? shouldn't we be able to seperate ourselves from that kind of critique of a band that we love and instead just appreciate the beauty of 'slow graffiti' and the breathtaking faults in '...modern rock song'? just a thought you know? anyhow... > 3/ the whole of "slow graffiti" - oscar wilde reference, right? > 4/ getting the Cd in the post in the first place. B&S over breakfast on a > monday morning! what could be better? right about the 'picture of dorian gray' reference, and thank you for letting me know that the help of jake and everyone here did mean that some people have received their TEEJAMMERS in the first post this morning. it does make my day to know that a lot of you have woken up with smiles at finding posts, and wide grins at the content :) cheers david ----------------------------------------------------------------------- david kitchen : jeepster recordings ltd http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/salako/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/snowpatrol/ mailto:shop at jeepster.co.uk jeepster recordings ltd, 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london w10 5bn to subscribe to the news mailing list mail majordomo at jeepster.co.uk with the words 'subscribe news' in the body of the message there is no need to subscribe if you are on the 'sinister' list +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frantila at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 16:35:35 1998 From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 16:35:35 EET Subject: Sinister: libraries. Message-ID: <19981207143535.12537.qmail@hotmail.com> Thank god for libraries. My selection of cd's i borrowed from there today: -Gorky's zygotic mynci: bwyn time -The smiths is dead-compilation -grant lee buffalo: copperopolis -grandaddy: under the western freeway And on the cd-player of this computer now: Jay Jay Johanson: Tattoo. Luv it. Love etc, jarkko. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From janine at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 15:10:47 1998 From: janine at xxx.com (Janine Papp) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:10:47 -0500 Subject: Sinister: b&s miracle! Message-ID: oooooeeeee the modern rock song ep has caused a small miracle to occur! you see, in my apartment, I have not just one, but 4 broken cd players. This is because every time a friend is about to throw away a broken cd player I say "I'll take it! I'll just get it fixed" and then I never have the money. Anyway, until recently, 2 of them were working but stopped a few weeks ago. So... I bought the ep after receiving this lovely e-mail which follows, and I was about to just give up and get one of my cd players fixed. Anyway, I popped the B&S in just for the hell of it, and IT STARTED WORKING. Then I put the cd in ANOTHER cd player, and IT ALSO STARTED WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!! so all weekend I could happily listen to it, as well as my fab galaxie 500 box set which just came in the mail. oooh yeah! so... now I am listening to tigermilk hoping to cure my stomach ache. so far I think it's working. now look at this e-mail I got from Other music - I can't believe they know what a total obsessive geek I am, but they sure do. point of pride or just pathetic? you decide. Queen Bee Janine --------------------------------------------------------- What up, Queen Bee: Tell all your friends, the Modern Rock Song EP from Belle and Sebastian is here today (12/2). -other music ---------------------------------------- Other Music 15 E. 4th Street New York, NY 10003 (212) 477-8150 http://www.othermusic.com sales at othermusic.com ---------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Mon Dec 7 15:02:20 1998 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (James M Errington) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:02:20 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Re: Untruth. Message-ID: <199812071456.OAA10503@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> the boy done wrong again splurted: > biggest dissapointment(S) > 1. Pulp THis is Hardcore (next time lock him back up with > the bottle and let him write the songs all in a weekend...worked > for DC didn't it?) Tcha! How dare you! It's in my top 5 for the year... It's an incredible piece of work... Unlike Morrisey who smells of wee... I'll abuse you later, but I've got a TIJAMRS CD in my hand and I'm itching to get up out of this chair and get home and listen to it. Love WeeJay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx James at twopounds.u-net.com "I know there's a lot of bass players in the audience tonight, I know living amongst the constructions that the people in power have built doesn't feel so right" mAKE UP - "We Can't Be Contained" http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/ (Which will no longer crash your computer. Hopefully.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From michaela.clarke at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 14:52:55 1998 From: michaela.clarke at xxx.com (Michaela Clarke +44 (131) 343 5810) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 14:52:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: music and autism Message-ID: <0755521407121998/A31978/MULL/11CC3BB43500*@MHS> I've been away and have just scanned quickly through 10 digests and noticed that there was a theme about music and autistic children so I thought I'd add my amusing little anecdote my boyfriend works with autistic children and last summer he spent a few days looking after this little boy. My boyfriend found that although the little boy did not say much he seamed to be singing to himself all the time although it was too quiet to hear what he was singing. My boyfriend felt this might be a way of getting through to him and so stated singing nursery rhymes to him. After putting up with this for nearly the whole day the little boy finally had enough and turned to my boyfriend saying " do you know this one ' Rebel rebel your face is a mess...' ?" it turned out the young lad was a huge Bowie Fan and he and my Boyfriend spent a week singing Bowie songs to each other. cute eh? it just goes to show...... now dilemma do you play cool music to your kids and make them cool or do you play crap music to them so that they rebel and listen to cool stuff? K'la +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Mon Dec 7 16:03:52 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:03:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: kids toda In-Reply-To: <002D4F6A.CE21230@mfi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Cory O'Malley wrote: > There appears to be rather a digression in the actuality of these > themes within their respective musical subcultures. Far more kids were > having sex in the fifties than were kids taking drugs in the sixties > than were kids killing themselves in the seventies than were kids > killing other people in the eighties. My apologies for not responding sooner. I don't have an Internet connection at home, so whatever I write has to be written at work, quickly. Yes, I agree with your point here about the digression of experience. I think it can be seen on a wider social level (i.e. more than just youth culture). We've realized the destructiveness of so many experiences that used to be taken for granted (sex, drugs, etc) that by now we are just content to experience them by proxy (films, books, Internet). > I propose that kids have finally figured out that the danger of > rock/roll is just so much facade. I'm not so sure about this. One one level, it could be seen as facade, the teleological moment of "shocking" rock-n-roll are figures like G.G. Allin, Orlon(sp?), or Marilyn Manson - shock value for its own sake. Perhaps kids have seen through the shock effect to realize that the "shock" is a desperate attempt at attention that often comes without quality. But perhaps there is also a fear of the true danger of self-destruction and self-mutilation. > > So, now, there exists a new subculture, comprised of kids who are > concerned with "hugs, fuzzy sweaters, and camaraderie," as you have > noted. As the notion of youthful outrageousness and derision toward > older generations has become rather trite to certain groups of kids, > these groups have sought rather to undermine the tired themes of > rock/roll. > > It is still a rebellion, of sorts, but a rather friendlier one, and > aimed at a far more figurative and broader topic. > I agree with this. While the rebellion of past youth subcultures might have been expressed through example, today it is expressed more subtlely. Pop lyrics tell the stories of the kinds of lives and dangers that were formerly lived, in an ironic, literary way, and stop there. The focus of this music seems to be on the musical quality, the narrative, and the lyrics, rather than the demonstrative shockingness of a certain lifestyle. I think this emphasis on narrative lyrics is one example of the current tendency toward virtual experience rather than lived experience. One last question - "Rock-n-roll countercultures" of the past seemed to set themselves apart from mainstream culture not only for the satisfaction of attention-getting shock tactics, but also to protest the political status quo. Now, as with the element of "dangerous experiences", the element of overt political protest seems to be waning in "indiepop," (my apologies to those of you who disagree with the terms "indipop" or "pop", I am forced to categorize this music with one rather general word because I don't have time to come up with a truly appropriate description), although I would argue that political conditions in the world have gotten much worse. Could this be because, as with shock value, political protest in rock and roll seems to have grown trite and empty, and capitalism (and especially capitalism in rock n roll) seems to have grown so complex and intimidating that there is no way to fight against it without making a silly spectacle of oneself (you're gonna "sell out" anyway), or because of a sense of resignation to the world's problems, which are now so large that there is no point in protesting? Well, that's it for now. BTW - I had a particularly exciting weekend because I found "The Thrill of it All", the Roxy Music box set that I have been wishing for the past three years, used for $45. Ah, the thrill of it all, indeed! Ciao, Heather +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Mon Dec 7 16:12:01 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:12:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: kids toda In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981204145353.008f5d60@mail.hooked.net> Message-ID: "math rock?!!!!" tell me more, Chris, I must know about this! Heatherita +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 16:19:24 1998 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:19:24 -0800 Subject: Sinister: kids toda In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19981204145353.008f5d60@mail.hooked.net> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981207081924.009a11b0@mail.hooked.net> Don't bands like "Shipping News" qualify as math rock? I'm not super savvy to that genre, but I've heard many people to refer to it... Shipping News' CD is probably the only one I own. I'll cc my brother. He seems to know all the genre names and definitions much better than I do... pants. At 10:12 AM 12/7/98 -0600, Heather Marie Propes wrote: > >"math rock?!!!!" tell me more, Chris, I must know about this! > >Heatherita +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mb00EN at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 16:40:31 1998 From: Mb00EN at xxx.com (Mb00EN at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:40:31 EST Subject: Sinister: subject?- allsorts really, its hard to think of a witty, concise one liner. Message-ID: <288997be.366c04ff@aol.com> Hello list people, This post is my hat-trick. It's monday at the moment. I have brought the new EP but have'nt had time to listen to it yet, damn these responsibilities. I went to the bigger shops but none of them had it, 'Belle and who?' they were heard to say. The sleeve reminds me of 'On the road', i think it must be the colour. I wonder if I'll like the gate song, it's hard to be objective when you hear other peoples opinions first, or am i just impressionable? Maybe it will be a 'grower', i like them best, i thought '3,6,9...' was rubbish at first ! I was happy to learn about the reissue of tigermilk, late spring you say?, more likely to be late summer then, record companies never get it right, i will apologise if they do.... but they wont. I'm still getting to grips with my new job, it's pretty boring. My boss is the sort of man who always seems happy, and it's bloody annoying. I wont say what it is he does (because you'd be so bored, believe me) but he's quiet a prominent figure in certain circles. The most annoying thing is his relentless enthusiasum, however i can cope with that because his office is down the hall and i dont have to put up with it most of the day. However what i do have to put up with is his bursts of jolly whistling echoing around the place, the offending tune is always 'Englands green and pleasant land'. So over the past couple of days when he's been in my office i've been quietly humming the chours to 'Mayfly' (I thought that had the strongest melody), i'd hoped that this would somehow sink in subliminally and replace 'Englands green and pleasent land'. Well a few days passed by and nothing happened, but i am pleased to announce today that my plan has worked. This afternoon he left for a meeting happily whistling 'Mayfly'. If only i worked at 10 Downing street, i'd take over the world. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Mon Dec 7 16:44:40 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:44:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: Talk about... pop music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This will indeed disentegrate into a semantic arguement, with your permission or course, Martin. In my experience D.J-ing for college radio (UCLA for two years, University of Chicago radio for one), musical genres were broken up in a very quantitative, dry way - Kraut-rock, glam rock, punk, and pop, wham bam thank you ma'am. Each could be appreciated as a movement", a seperate sphere with its own little set of followers, each its own seperate foreground in a historical vacuum. I think I know what you are getting at with your account of historical "pop" as the music of the past that was light, fun, and taken for granted as fluff, and I can appreciate your recognition of this genre in it's many forms and diguises throughout the decades. I agree that it has a genealogy that encompasses the Beach Boys, Turtles, Alex Chilton, Roxy Music, the Shangi_Las, and Heaven 17. I also agree that "pop" by any other name (New Wave, Girl Groups, surfer music) was always pop. Yet, I also believe that the pop of today is more crystallized. It is indeed a movement, a marketing campaign, with all the accoutrements (cardigan sweaters, trips to England and small recording labels) of such a subculture. Bands may have been recording catchy 4 minute songs about love and boredom for the past four decades, Martin, but you don't really HAVE to know that to be a part of todays "pop" scene. Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Martin Horsfield wrote: > > Oh my god, > > I've always enjoyed Heather's posts, but never in my life have I heard > pop music described as being a 'movement'? Liking pop music is like > enjoying chocolate - you know you shouldn't, but it works for you every > time. > > In Britain, at least, we boys were always meant to be ashamed of pop. It > was for girls and, of course 'puffs'. We boys were meant to like > Prog/the Sex Pistols/Iron Maiden/Tortoise/Sterophonics (delete according > to your generation and whether you had a state or private education). > > However, I dare say if any of us on this list thought back to the first > music that genuinely moved them, it would be POP! It sure as hell > wouldn't have been Faust. So many people live in denial of this fact > because they are swept along by the peer group pressure of liking 'real' > music and only really rediscover the POP! instinct when they start > dancing, getting off with the opposite sex, taking Es, going to 70s > nights, gay clubs, whatever. And of course, once they discover the joys > of hedonism and having their hearts filled with music, they realise that > its just as much fun to dance to Dionosaur Jr as it is to ABC because > its all pop; musicians (with the possible exceptions of Luke Haines and > Roger Waters) want you to play their music loud, evangelise about it, > dance to it, buy it and make it popular. Why wouldn't they? > > I've always thought that all the greatest pop songs are essentially > TRUTHS, whether that's Reach Out.. I'll Be There, Supersonic ("you've > got to be yourself..."), So Far Away (Carole King, not Dire Straits), I > Should Be So Lucky, Wake Up Boo, Do You Remember The First Time?, Too > Many Broken Hearts, A Design For Life, Becoming More Like Alfie, > Comfortably Numb, Even Men With Hearts Of Steel Love To See A Dog On The > Pitch, Might Be Stars, Cruel Summer, So Much Love So Little Time, Kiss > Me, Broken Heart, Can't Get Out Of Bed, Walk On By, A Summer Wasting or > Stars Of Track And Field. > > (This partly explains why, in the words of Edwyn Collins, visiting US > grunge bands playing in the middle of the bill at Reading "wonder why we > can't connect/to the ritual of the trashed guitar") > > I know this might degenerate into a semantic argument, or worse still a > petty regional one but to us Britons, calling pop a 'genre' is like us > calling your Pop a sex offender. > > Martin Horsfield > > PS/To the person who asked, Pete Wylie's basically been charged with > making threatening phone calls to his ex-wife (she's going out with an > old mucker of his). According to my man at the Hope & Anchor, poor old > Pete (who's coined the best song title of the year - 'Heart As Big As > Liverpool) has been 'off his head' for about a year now. Sinful, eh? > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From casio at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 16:52:26 1998 From: casio at xxx.com (Tony Zito) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:52:26 -0500 Subject: Sinister: kids toda In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981207081924.009a11b0@mail.hooked.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19981204145353.008f5d60@mail.hooked.net> Message-ID: <199812071650.LAA26757@bottlerocket.com> Try the Champs (or CH4MP5, if you'd rather). they're always being described as "math rock". Sort of a reclaimation by smart people of heavy metal technical wizardry and complexity. btw, if it means anything to anyone, Tim Green (of Nation of Ulysses fame, and producer of many fine albums) is in the combo. And they're about the furthest thing from B&S i can imagine. t. At 11:19 AM 12/7/98 , Chris Butler wrote: > >Don't bands like "Shipping News" qualify as math rock? >I'm not super savvy to that genre, but I've heard many >people to refer to it... Shipping News' CD is probably >the only one I own. > >I'll cc my brother. He seems to know all the genre names >and definitions much better than I do... > >pants. > >At 10:12 AM 12/7/98 -0600, Heather Marie Propes wrote: >> >>"math rock?!!!!" tell me more, Chris, I must know about this! >> >>Heatherita > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lonelyhighway at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 16:51:47 1998 From: lonelyhighway at xxx.com (Corpora Arenacea) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:51:47 PST Subject: Sinister: when the open road is closing in.... Message-ID: <19981207165147.26115.qmail@hotmail.com> I ain't too proud to beg, so.... In about a week and a half I will be flying to England. I have made no plans, mainly because I know nothing about the place. In fact, except for a 12-hour stopover in Greece once (lightning strike- hey it could happen to you), I've never set foot on the continent. I'm terrified of being alone for two straight weeks on a cold island with no idea of where to go. And I'm too young and too stupid (sorry ye of childrearing age) to =not= go. So.... Umm.... Would anyone like to meet, sometime, between the 17th and January 3rd? I swear I'm not a psycho. I'll bring my papers, I'm off the thorazine. Pretty please...? I realize that I'm in something of a losing position, I mean, having to try and prove that I'm worth meeting, especially with as hopelessly bland a TV-derived accent as I have, but..... Anyway. Ummm, sorry for the lack of Belle and Sebastian-derived content. And coherence,and backbone, and all substance for that matter. I'll publicly thank anyone who responds ahead of time.... Thank you. -Eran ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tangent at xxx.net Sun Dec 6 21:01:03 1998 From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 21:01:03 +0000 Subject: Sinister: kind of a review, but only kind of. References: <1423815.3121938087@q7300-03.quns.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <366AF08F.B94B0660@lineone.net> anyone familiar with my reviews of belle and sebastian records will probably know already what the words below contain. for any newcomers, um, well like i say, it's only kind of a review. Anyone wants to see it on the web with it's cover scan (i did my own cos the one on jeepster is too darn orange..) can do so from the Tangents front page. oh yeah, and i feel better about The Gate, although it's still the worst track by a looong way. keep the faith, the duke. ------ the 'review' ------------ Soul Of An Unearthly [two steps step out] Standing on the quayside wrapped up in mist, it's the middle of the morning and there's nothing but the sound of beating wings. Swans are gliding near the river's surface, sweeping beneath the wire that crosses between the banks, across which the ferry once pulled before it sank at the height of the season. There's a bridge to the left, suspended in the lightness. A faint and familiar green glow emanates from the clouds to my right, as though a beacon were slowly materialising. A voice breaks the mist, whispering words I can't quite hear and don't quite want to. Chris looks strangely older than usual, although this is probably impossible, and it's more likely only my own eyes reflecting defeat. He looks at me and silently smoothes my hair with his fingers of gold. 'Things move on' he says, and then is gone. [December 7th, 1998) I'm waiting in the bar, watching the door for Jo and wondering how things come to these ways of working. I've got my third Haig and Perrier in hand. Outside the lights of the city are winking at me, twinkling white in the treetops, swaying in the light wind. There's a man who looks like my father walking past Debenhams, pointing and laughing at the plastic puppies riding exercise bicycles in the window display. The seat next to me is cold and although there's always hope, even empty expectation is lacking. It's always a cold and desperate time of life, or so Chris is always saying. I saw Isabel three weeks ago and she didn't seem to agree. She was wearing Jo's pedal-pushers and had a top of gauze underneath a snow white cardigan, despite the wind. Some people never feel the cold, and some never know the warmth of anything but a summer sun creeping up the back of their neck. If you had to choose, you'd say Jo was the former and me the latter, which explains a lot if there were any explanations to be made. Which there aren't. [dream a million and one] I'm talking to Jo again, and again it's not real. I go 'I used to dream of the sounds of the Velvet Underground being made by people my own age' to which she looks up at the campanile and frowns. I continue, and say 'there's just these folk on a stage and there's an amazing noise coming out of the air and I'm stood transfixed. Lou Reed is wearing a shirt that says 'Felt' and instead of a viola there's a cello.' Next thing I know I'm telling her about how once I wrote a whole paper on the feelings of dreamed musical moments, of how they were a response to death and anxiety about age. By now though Jo has stopped listening and is flicking through the pile of papers for recycling. She holds up a Guardian Friday Review and the cover headline says 'Interminable Three Chord Break.' [the escapapologist's heart] A small green car turns left down a farm track near a town a thousand miles away and rolls to a halt. Smiles in the sunset betray the escapapologist's heart. From a tape deck in the dashboard the sounds of slow music drift. The singer says something about imaginary friends whilst the sky turns silver and brown. Lips impossibly kiss. [the last music journalist] The new Belle & Sebastian four track EP is released on December 7th 1998 by Jeepster Records of England. The Cover is rust coloured and features a picture of Mr Alan Horne of Postcard Records of Scotland. The four songs are 'This Is Just A Modern Rock Song', 'I Know Where The Summer Goes', 'The Gate' and 'Slow Graffiti'. 'The Gate' is a song by Isobel Campbell and sounds like Tiger Trap at their slowest and sweetest. 'Modern Rock Song' is an old live favourite, according to the press release, and my friend said they heard all six minutes and more on the radio. 'I Know Where The Summer Goes' is, alongside Jonathan Richman's 'That Summer Feeling', 'Hungry Beat' by Fire Engines, and 'Summer In The City' by the Lovin' Spoonful, one of the four greatest summer songs ever written. 'Slow Graffiti' is from the soundtrack to the 'Acid House' film and is the single best song I've heard in too many years. Sublime was made for moments like this. ------------------------------------------ 'all of our dreams are dying of overdoses' ------------------------------------------ Tangents On-Line http://www.tangents.co.uk PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at lineone.net ------------------------------------------ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kwl96 at xxx.edu Mon Dec 7 16:53:34 1998 From: kwl96 at xxx.edu (azrael) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:53:34 -0500 Subject: Sinister: music and autism In-Reply-To: <0755521407121998/A31978/MULL/11CC3BB43500*@MHS> Message-ID: At 9:52 -0500 12/7/98, Michaela Clarke +44 (131) 343 5810 wrote: (snip) [ [now dilemma [ [do you play cool music to your kids and make them cool [or do you play crap music to them so that they rebel and listen to cool stuff? [ [K'la well, i grew up listening to the who and simon and garfunkel, and i *still* love them. see, if it weren't for the who, i doubt i would like any brit pop. and if it weren't for simon and garfunkel then i doubt i would like belle and sebastian. :) -kerry "everybody loves me goes away and i'd kill myself if that would make them stay." -the jesus and mary chain +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kwl96 at xxx.edu Mon Dec 7 16:57:50 1998 From: kwl96 at xxx.edu (azrael) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:57:50 -0500 Subject: Sinister: kids toda In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981207081924.009a11b0@mail.hooked.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19981204145353.008f5d60@mail.hooked.net> Message-ID: At 11:19 -0500 12/7/98, Chris Butler wrote: [Don't bands like "Shipping News" qualify as math rock? [I'm not super savvy to that genre, but I've heard many [people to refer to it... Shipping News' CD is probably [the only one I own. [ [I'll cc my brother. He seems to know all the genre names [and definitions much better than I do... [ [pants. [ i was just about to mention shipping news. i beleive a general definition of math rock is any indie-rock-type-music using bizarre time signatures that seem to change almost randomly. well, at least that's basically how my boyfriend put it. i'm not really sure i could think of a better way. -kerry "everybody loves me goes away and i'd kill myself if that would make them stay." -the jesus and mary chain +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Mon Dec 7 17:13:25 1998 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:13:25 +0000 (BST) Subject: Sinister: sublime but... In-Reply-To: <366AF08F.B94B0660@lineone.net> Message-ID: I enjoyed deeply the non review by the magnificent Duke, but just one remark about best Summer songs, my top of the tops is 'Summer Babe', Pavement. Happy not birthdays to all of you, including someone whose birthday is probably on 7th Dec. Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sjacob at xxx.edu Mon Dec 7 17:18:35 1998 From: sjacob at xxx.edu (sam jacob) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:18:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: other mathish bands. Message-ID: other music sometimes classified as Mathrock Unwound's album with Train in the title (i can't remember it, but the song Kantina on it is mathrocky and also brilliant) Rodan's /Rusty/ which has two really good songs on it. any album by U.S Maple and Early June of 44 stuff... (try the album with "mooch" on it, again i can't remember the title...) viva la math rock... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stray4f at xxx.net Mon Dec 7 16:13:21 1998 From: stray4f at xxx.net (Lance Bangs) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 12:13:21 -0400 Subject: Sinister: LIST INVITE TO APPEAR IN "DIRTY DREAM #2" VIDEO Message-ID: <199812071716.MAA117420@pimout2-int.prodigy.net> Hello. This is a formal invitation to any interested list members to appear in the Belle and Sebastian video for "Dirty Dream #2." The video will be shot in Athens, Georgia on Saturday December 12th and Sunday December 13th. Twenty-five persons are needed. The intention is that each person featured will appear in an uncut ten second segment of film which will fade to black before bringing up the next person, filling the length of the song. We may be able to provide one night of lodging to people coming from outside of the area, but unfortunately can not pay people for appearing, as this is a rather simple production. Your participation should be fun, as we are filming flattering portraits of each of you engaged in some sort of charming and surreal entanglement or escapade. You needn't look anything like the sort of people that usually appear in videos, we want you because you care about the band and are an interesting person. Awkwardness and spastic qualities a plus. Come as you are. We will be filming mostly outdoors to take advantage of the gorgeous winter light here in Athens. We will need to begin early both days, as it gets dark around 6 pm. We are shooting on motion picture film, which invariably leads to some time waiting around while setting things up, so your patience is requested. The band will not be present at the filming, but Athens is a wonderfull town to visit on it's own merit, and perhaps meeting up with other list members and fans is incentive enough. If you are interested and can commit to being in Athens on the 12th and 13th, please respond to me at this account. Thank you, Lance Bangs +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Mon Dec 7 17:26:29 1998 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 12:26:29 -0500 Subject: Sinister: What is Twee? What is TEE?(JAMMERS) Message-ID: <366C0FC5.79382B3F@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Hullo, Firstly I must say that I almost posted last night about all this philosophical counterculture stuff, but I counted to 4 or 5 as I was about to begin writing and I decided "Nah...." Having said that, to the fellow who suggested we be nice to one another in an attempt to be the opposite of punk, I must point out that quite a lot of good things came out of punk. Someone already mentioned DIY, without which I would wonder if labels like Jeepster would even exist. Plus there's loads of great music, not to mention loads I don't care for.... but I digress. The Boy Done Wrong Again from Indiana U. (I wonder if you know my friend Danny, he used to be the md for a radio station there...) asked us all what does "twee" mean. I don't think anyone answered him, but I didn't read each message word for word, letter for letter. Twee was a word used by the British music press initially to describe Talulah Gosh. It was (and is) a bastardization of the word sweet (imagine sweet said by a 3-year-old) and was used to describe Talulah Gosh's overly cute and yes, overly precious sentiments, oft-recalling childhood. The term seems to have then been used to describe a lot of bands similar to T. Gosh, if not just in spirit. Now it seems to pretty much describe either a) music that is (too) cute, or b) a lot of music that was made in the 80's. Anyway, all that historical stuff was not first-hand, so I'm more than likely wrong on a couple points. *Awaits corrections with a cringe* Okay, and this business with TIJAMRS...that's very very silly. I don't know why people make up lengthy acronyms for such things that take 5 minutes to work out until you realize what they finally are referring to. People have been calling it the Modern Rock Song EP for quite a long time, and I don't think there is anything too lengthy about this. It gives me less of a headache, anyway. It's not as if there were multiple B&S EPs with "Modern Rock Song" in the title, like "That Over There Is a Modern Rock Song," "Watch out for the Modern Rock Song," "Modern Rock Song Gonna Getcha," and "Cold As Ice." Or, you could follow Mister Kitchen's creative example and go with TEEJAMMERS (a la TWATTYBUS). If you're going to use some weird-ass acronym, at least be creative and nonsensical! =P Strangely enough, I think David read my mind, except he got the 2nd E in place where I had an A. In my Sha-La-La inbox: A thread on the TVPs /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - bp224995 at ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | - Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mrswanky at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 17:25:41 1998 From: mrswanky at xxx.com (Steven Jay Goldman) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 12:25:41 EST Subject: Sinister: Strange days... Message-ID: <19981207172542.26136.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi all... First off, a tip of the hat to Chris Butler for his nom de plume...I've been watching a bit of Twin Peaks lately, and I laughed my ass off the first time I heard Albert's famous line about the old waiter... I finally got off my ass and dug my teeth into Irvine Welsh's "Trainspotting"...(yes, I realize it's a little late, but better late than never, no?) I've never read about a more intensely interesting and simultaneously horrible group of people in my life. Not horrible because of the drugs, but just because of personalities. Hell, I'd like to know them just so that I could understand them... This just goes to show what a lot of time on one's hands can lead one to...Twin Peaks and Mark Renton...whoof! What a freaky combination! Oh, also thanks to David K. for the quick posting of the new EP...can't wait to have it in my hands! ...lurking in the background with a fey smile... --Steven ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sclark at xxx.uk Mon Dec 7 18:02:38 1998 From: sclark at xxx.uk (sclark) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:02:38 +0000 Subject: Sinister: kiddie winks! References: <01be1f94$c35b1620$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Message-ID: <366C183E.39B6@athene.co.uk> > Has anyone answered the listees with children question yet? Off the > top of my head, David Moore of Cheltenham UK not only has children, he > even allows his daughter to have a boyfriend. dangerously liberal, I > feel. Someone, I think it was David/Ruth, was talking about taking a > newborn sprog to the London concert. Many moons ago someone's mum was > on the list, if you remember they had to accompany their offspring to > the NYC Sessions at West 54th or whatever. And who could forget the > comforting presence of Big Arthur Bergman? o.k.o.k. so l have to admit the presence of a younger and singularly male version of myself!...so you can all say hi to ry.! who's nigh on the youngest belle and sebby fan l know....8 yrs young but hey no girlfriends yet lad and definitly no kissing o.k.?... ...his favourite track??...the state l am in...yess!!...class eh?...oh and nice to pick up the odd mention of "roddy boy frame!" every now and again.. ...ah well whats for tea? kisses sue > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Mon Dec 7 18:12:42 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:12:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: kids toda In-Reply-To: <366C11F5.F1EB739D@corp.home.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Peter Butler wrote: > Math rock is a term generally thrown around those bands from the > Chicago-Louisville line, a lot on Touch and Go and Quarterstick. Bands > like Rodan, Slint, June of 44 spring to mind immediately, but I would > also throw in those groups like Tortoise, Trans Am, Gastr del Sol. I used to be the biggest Big Black fan on my block, spent 1 1/2 years D.J-ing at WHPK, yet Math Rock passed me by. Wait'll I tell Ander, he's an Algebraic Geometer. Woohoo! Heather +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mayfly8 at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 18:30:24 1998 From: mayfly8 at xxx.com (K Fraser) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:30:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Fwd: Belle and Sebastian in your living room Message-ID: <19981207183024.25381.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> A friend just sent this to me . . . I thought some of you might find this interesting. Please don't yell at me! K > For those wondering what B&S sound like, and how you can re-create the magic in your own living room. * * * How To Sound Like Belle & Sebastian in 5 Easy Steps! * * * ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Find an acoustic guitar. Learn major chords only. Sidestep rubbish things like minor chords, 7ths, etc. Those will be of no use where you're going... 2. Write 'wry' and 'witty' lyrics about obtuse things like track and field, Elvis, and your local minister. Try to include the names of fictional female characters as much as you can. The more common sounding name, the better (it makes your songs seem more romantic). Mary, Jane, Judy, Jenny - these are all perfect candidates when writing a B&S song. If you are feeling particularly adventurous, use an oblique French phrase in your lyrics. This will give your recording that same certain "je ne sais quoi" that all B&S tracks possess. In addition, refer to yourself as MUCH AS POSSIBLE. Do this in 3rd person. Therefore, if your name is Edward Goldstein, write a song that begins "I saw Edward Goldstein running with the minister". This will help establish you as a witty and clever artist. This also works for band names. Advanced users may include OTHER band names in a similar manner. So, say you want to wryly and cleverly pay tribute to a band called Radiohead, write a song called "The Girl With The Radio Head". People will love this. One key note: Make sure that your lyrics don'tmake any sense, but try not to confuse them too much. Your goal is to write a lyric that seems so clever and so in-the-know that nobody in their right mind would up and admit that deep down they really have no idea WHAT the hell you're on about. This is a difficult art to perfect. 3. When writing the music, keep in mind that you have only two speeds. Speed #1 is a slow, foppish, folky sort of strum that oozes hazy nostalgia. Speed #2 is Speed #1 except it's a little bit faster. Both involve acoustic guitars. Remember, major chords only. 4. Before attempting to sing your song for the first time, put a load of marbles in your mouth. Enunciation is the arch enemy of 'cleverness'. 5. Stage presence (or lack thereof) is also very important. When performing your song, make sure and never look up. Doing this will deflate the notion that you are both nostalgic and clever. Indeed, always look down. Screw up a few chords here and there. Don't smile. Whisper your lyrics. Do your best to be fey, waifish, and distant. It takes a bit of practice, but if you follow each step closely, you'll soon be imitating B&S with the best of them! And God knows, that's exactly what this world needs. Yours, cleverly and wryly, Mark Pytlik She looked like someone whose job, once you're dead, is to introduce you to God. Kathryn Chetkovich _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pgarnier at xxx.fr Mon Dec 7 14:04:55 1998 From: pgarnier at xxx.fr (Philippe Garnier) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 14:04:55 Subject: Sinister: Please... shut up ! Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19981207140455.099f1c90@chimie.u-strasbg.fr> Bonjour les amis ! I know that what I will say sounds silly but... please could you avoid speaking about the new single until I get it by the end of the week. My friend Lauren - who has not yet married Stuart Murdoch - will bring the single from UK in a few days, so please, don't give me a heart attack til I can hear it! That would not be fair at all. As far as the "she and me" problem is on the table, I would like to say that you have to make this clearer for kids like me (I ?), whose english is as bad as an english cheese. Now, listen to me carefully: I've received Alistair's book last week (Young and Foolish). I only had time to have a look on it, because I had to finish the House of Sleep by Jonathan Coe, which is very good book by the way. But it seems to me that Young and Foolish is a FUCKING GREAT BOOK !! Do you want to know my favourite CD of the year ? Frankly, I hope you don't, because I don't like this word "favourite", neither the "year" concept. "Des larmes sur ses joues, et c'est mon coeur qui pleure, Ses lèvres sur ma joue, et je pleure de bonheur" Be happy! Philippe +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SANDRAD at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 14:44:53 1998 From: SANDRAD at xxx.com (Sandra Duric) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:44:53 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Hefnerlump Rock Report Message-ID: <01BE21C6.3F2A2380@SANDRA> From: PJMiller [SMTP:pjmiller at xxx.es] As for the other groups, Cuba were absolute total and utter guff, a kind of Jesus Jones for the 21st Century, only without the charm, subtelty and nuance that so typified that groundbreaking fusion of rock and dance sensibilities. Quite frankly, Cuba are a disgrace to their name, totally unlike the fantastic tropical island where people sniff their armpits and have a wank at the same time. Sorry, but this little comment made me laugh a good minute. I agree, but I've never been able to say anything about it because fellow Canadian Chris in Cuba I know, and the unspoken rule of friends being friends, you don't slam each other's music (do you realize if friends were a bit more ... honest, there'd be less shite bands?). And the Cuba story is typical who-knows-who - Chris is married to Mojave Rachel and he and a friend were just fooling with their keyboards at home when someone from the label popped by to see her, only to be into the entire Cuba thing, enough to sign them. And so the story goes... Saw Gus Van Sant's Pyscho this weekend. Erm, thumbs up to the original. Disappointing, very disappointing... Back to work and watching snow clouds build a grey-white mountain on the horizon... Alexandra PS - Second batch of Black Sessions tapes going out today.... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From butler at xxx.net Mon Dec 7 17:35:49 1998 From: butler at xxx.net (Peter Butler) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:35:49 -0800 Subject: Sinister: kids toda References: <3.0.5.32.19981204145353.008f5d60@mail.hooked.net> <3.0.5.32.19981207081924.009a11b0@mail.hooked.net> Message-ID: <366C11F5.F1EB739D@corp.home.net> Math rock is a term generally thrown around those bands from the Chicago-Louisville line, a lot on Touch and Go and Quarterstick. Bands like Rodan, Slint, June of 44 spring to mind immediately, but I would also throw in those groups like Tortoise, Trans Am, Gastr del Sol. Recently, however, I've seen the term pop up for groups that are hovering on the brink of metal, fairly conventional stuff. It may come to be used for any "post-rock" instrumental band that shifts tempo a lot. I'm not sure about an exact definition of math rock, but it usually involves a limited melody (all instruments being somewhat equal) with unusual time signatures that can often change dramatically throughout a song. Not always instrumental, but usually. Chris Butler wrote: > > Don't bands like "Shipping News" qualify as math rock? > I'm not super savvy to that genre, but I've heard many > people to refer to it... Shipping News' CD is probably > the only one I own. > > I'll cc my brother. He seems to know all the genre names > and definitions much better than I do... > > pants. > > At 10:12 AM 12/7/98 -0600, Heather Marie Propes wrote: > > > >"math rock?!!!!" tell me more, Chris, I must know about this! > > > >Heatherita +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From AEvans at xxx.uk Mon Dec 7 17:37:03 1998 From: AEvans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:37:03 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Air Quantas Message-ID: <25CC9C11BD12D111BA5500805F8B63691C7CCF@COR-EXG1> Firstly, the thread about childrens books. You are obviously all "puffs" who went to proper schools. When I studied English at High School I was encouraged to read books about gangs and fighting and stuff. And why has noone mentioned the Mr Men....yer miserable bastards :) Pedro Wrote : ~~ If I ever have children I shall think of them as slave labour, thrash them accordingly, and feed them to the local chimney sweeps. ~~ Peter, you fail to remember that in England we don't have to do this. We just place our children in the care of Social Services and they sort it all out for us. And apparently Susannah wrote : ~~ Did you know that channel 4 are to screen a documentary on bestiality? Set your videos. ~~ This is terrible and I think I will write a letter of complaint.......The reception on channel 4 on my telly is bollocks. And Finally..... Can I appear to be an arse-licking sort with no respect to what goes on this list and wish David and Katrina a Happy Xmas and a wonderful break in Dingo. Judging by the amount of exclamation marks in his last post the poor boy needs a break. I must complain however that David got the first cheap acronym in for TIGHTJUMPERS. Inside information clearly gives him far longer to think of these things than your average listee. Enough of this Pommie twaddle. Adrian.x.x.x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Mon Dec 7 18:58:42 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:58:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: kiddie winks! In-Reply-To: <366C183E.39B6@athene.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, sclark wrote: > > > Has anyone answered the listees with children question yet? Off the > o.k.o.k. so l have to admit the presence of a younger and singularly > male version of myself!...so you can all say hi to ry.! who's nigh on Hi to Ry! Is it short for Ryan? Very nice name. Children, ah yes, thanks for reminding me as to the reason I am working my butt off to pay back my $30,000 loan to the University of Chicago. The night of our wedding, July 18, 1999, I will finally trash my birth control pills and Anders and I will commence the long and eventful journey to parenthood. We're hoping to have two. I would like to name our son Charles but Anders prefers Jesper (those crazy Danes). Perhaps our dauhter will be Louise. Perhaps she will be Eva. Not one to contribute to overpopulation, I hope to have two. Is it wicked to hope to raise them in Denmark to protect them from the evils of suburban Americana? Perhaps, but that is what I hope to do. Ciao, Heather +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Mon Dec 7 19:00:51 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:00:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: Fwd: Belle and Sebastian in your living room In-Reply-To: <19981207183024.25381.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: How to write a B&S song. How about how to write a Momus song? I think it's still there - http://www.demon.co.uk/momus/ Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Mon Dec 7 19:57:17 1998 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (WeeJay) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:57:17 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Please... shut up ! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.16.19981207140455.099f1c90@chimie.u-strasbg.fr> Message-ID: <199812071951.TAA16525@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2822 bytes Desc: not available URL: From a-and-r at xxx.uk Mon Dec 7 18:59:12 1998 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:59:12 +0000 Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: MTV UK Alert ... Miss it or Miss Out! Message-ID: <366C2580.CFB96C8D@jeepster.co.uk> Hi all, Just a quick note to tell you all that snow patrol are Eddy Temple-Morris's guests on "Up For It" tonight, Monday 7th December. The show goes out at 10.00pm and, you should probably tape it seeing as they will also be playing the video for Belle & Sebastian's "This Is Just A Modern Rock Song", as it's the Plate that's Great all this week on Eddy's show ... und das ist alles! cheers, Katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london, w10 5bn, uk phone - 0181 964 9432, fax - 0181 964 8600 http://www.jeepster.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- .this message came from the jeepster records news list . .visit our site at http://www.jeepster.co.uk for more info . . . .to unsubscribe yourself from this list send a message to . .majordomo at jeepster.co.uk with the words 'unsubscribe news' in the body. .of the message . . . .any problems? then simply send a mailto:owner-news at jeepster.co.uk . ----------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keithmcl at xxx.net Mon Dec 7 20:20:41 1998 From: keithmcl at xxx.net (keith m) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 15:20:41 -0500 Subject: Sinister: favourite rather than best Message-ID: <366C3899.3A94C24@bignet.net> > Do you want to know my favourite CD of the year ? Frankly, I > hope you don't, because I don't like this word "favourite", neither > the "year" concept. >Well done, I couldn't have put it better myself. Art's not a >competition. But the Pulp album wasn't bad. i don't think listing which records you enjoyed most this year is what i would call a competition? surely you discriminate for your own listening pleasure? or do you love every record released this year equally? now magazines with headlines like 'best 100 albums of the year' well they are silly because those are really just their favourites-a word i am friends with. keith mcl +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Anastasia_Signoretta at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 20:47:32 1998 From: Anastasia_Signoretta at xxx.com (Anastasia Signoretta) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:47:32 EST Subject: Sinister: weekend guilt, modern rock, snow patrol december in new york Message-ID: [oops, i sent this to the jeepster address instead of the sinister one...apologies for clogging up the jeepster mailbox. *blush*] hi popkids, another week, another post. how goes it, bunnies? i myself am recovering from a rather debaucherous weekend, trying to bury guilty feelings deep within me...any suggestions for obliterating them all together? the highlight of my weekend was definitely my trip to other music, where i purchased a lovely orangey ep called 'this is just a modern rock song.' (apoplogies phillipe...i'm going to talk about this, just close your eyes and scroll down.) i've been having a belle and sebastian ep marathon at work today, and no one's been annoyed with me yet (as far as i know). i must admit that i think i prefer 'the gate' to 'is it wicked not to care?' well, i prefer it today, anyway. but both songs are *so* cute and *so* catchy and oh-*so*-isobel-esque, why are we debating this? and i'm much impressed with the recording of 'slow graffiti,' as the only other version i'd heard previously is the bbc sessions one. my 20-year-old punk rawk brother (and budding b&s fan) and i had a 'modern rock song' listening session the other morning in his apartment...we shut off 'daria' in the middle of the episode to do this, and mind you this was an episode which largely featured trent (the one when daria gets her navel pierced)!!! ah, the power of belle and sebastian... so i've given up contributing to the 'pop movements' discussion, but i wanted to say that i've found all of your observations really interesting. i would comment but fear my words wouldn't be too useful as i'm still headachy and bleh from my weekend. now, for a bit of jeepster content: i'm very saddened that snow patrol will be on television and i will not be able to see them (sad about the 'modern rock song' video too, which i assume will never reach our tired american shores). really, i think i am one of four americans who care about snow patrol. i've yet to get their record...katrina/david, can i order from the site? i assume the answer to that question is yes, but i haven't checked it out yet and thought i'd ask anyway. sorry. the thing i've been wondering about...why the lack of british press on snow patrol? i haven't read much about them, save a few live reviews in the nme. has there been any feature-y sort of thing about them anywhere or do they subscribe to the stuart m. school of the non-interview? well, i don't have much else to say except it is just too hot for december in new york. it's strange looking at wreaths and bows and christmas lights decorating buildings while i'm only wearing a light cardie. cheers, stasia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Mon Dec 7 21:04:39 1998 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:04:39 -0000 Subject: Sinister: she's got pies, woooooo In-Reply-To: <199812071951.TAA16525@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000101be2225$34091f60$584d989e@elsato97> Hullo there chiefs! How you all doing? Today I bought some Christmas pressies, and then I bought urrr Modern Jock song....in the tip top Action Records from indie-hair boy. I still don't like him cos he charged me 3.99 for the Melys CD on it's first week of release. Git. But, he did smile nicely today and count out my change like a good boy, and wore a Smiths tshirt (where do they all come from?) which could, or oculd not be a good thing. I don' care... 'Weej' wroted: > Philippe, I'd like to but I have to say something. Firstly to all those people who've been saying horrible things abouth > > 'The Gate' - well, you're all wrong, wrong, wrong! It's the most singalong thing they've ever done by my measurements and > that's surely a good thing.. Hahaha! Knickers to that!! By the most singalong, do you mean like knees up mother brown round the old joanna cockney knees up? I mean, has Isobel been listening to Chas and Dave or what!! It's pretty funny, I'll give it that, but....Slow Graffitti....woo! Marvellous! And the most singlalong thing is Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner. OR OR She's losing it!! NO! You're just a baybee!! OOH! B&S are quite good aren't they...hm, but I've had enough of this CD now, best of Sparks?? YES! ARGH! THE CDS NOT IN THE CASE OH DEAR....oh oh its ok, it was hiding in Kid Loco. Fair enough. The Gate is just silly. They're all on droogs I think. > And please people, I get enough cultural studies crap on my course, I don't want it taking over sinister like the vile > > growth it is. As far as I care, It's about art and beauty and truth and if anyone tries to talk to me about > > > > > > > > countercultures and the dominant social ideology I'll put my fingers in my ears and sing LALALALA until they stop. Got that? Yes of course, a very good attitude towards the environment which surrounds you Weejay. Everyone LISTEN to Weej, cos cos he gets cultural studies crap. I admit a load of it's all bollocks isn't it - well in media studies it is, its crackin' - you can get anything to mean anything you want, and I impress people by using the word pluralist a lot. BUT! I reckon here that a lot of it is worth knowing and you should shut up. You're probably only scared of castration. My friend was telling me about Sigmund Frued today. Whatanoldperviepants. What course are you doing Weej? I have applied for all computer studies. It's not what I want to do, but hey. I'd rather end up living in a house, not a cardboard box. I have NO intentions of doing a degree in social antropology or whatever and then ending up working as a walking fish outside Fish Men! Fish With A Difference!! No ta mate. That reminds me - (don't know how...hmmm) Tag, a very nice review you wrote about THE PASTELS!!! HAHAHAH! Your reviewed the Pastels AND reviewed them well you strange bugger....the review is in Uncut magazine, which is a rip off cos it costs 2.85!! Fuck! I didn't buy it, I read it in HMV. And and also congrats on playing the Ace Of Spades at your Dee-Jaying nite. It gets played everywhere round my way so I guess I am unimpressed, but in the more sophisticated environs of Smile, I guess it's like, radical..... Sorry i sound like an arsey get. Booyaka booyaka junglist massif.... Agrh, and Stuart Gardening congratulated the list on it's insult-free-ness. I suggest you look up any of JJ's posts to be proved wrong....and also some of mine. Cos you all are rectum faced pygmies and flatulent bumbrains. And also ILITHIE VLAKA SKATOFATSA GAMIMENE POUTANAS GIE!!!! (Thanks Johnk :) :) ) I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!! Fluffy Candarel +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SPRFNK at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 21:20:54 1998 From: SPRFNK at xxx.com (SPRFNK at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:20:54 EST Subject: Sinister: Fwd: Belle and Sebastian in your living room Message-ID: <9e8878d2.366c46b6@aol.com> hmm is it just me or is this supposed to be making fun of belle and sebastian--- pondering that thought.... kristin :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eculb at xxx.uk Mon Dec 7 22:41:06 1998 From: eculb at xxx.uk (JaMeS) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:41:06 +0000 (BST) Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: MTV UK Alert ... Miss it or Miss Out! In-Reply-To: <366C2580.CFB96C8D@jeepster.co.uk> Message-ID: Hmmm, ive just read this mail at 10:40pm and im not at home so i cant tape it. Arrrgghh!!!!! Is there any chance of getting warnings about B&S videos on telly a tad earlier as I've managed to miss every single showing so far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *Doh!* slightly peeved, JaMeS On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Katrina House wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just a quick note to tell you all that snow patrol are Eddy > Temple-Morris's guests on "Up For It" tonight, Monday 7th December. The > show goes out at 10.00pm and, you should probably tape it seeing as they > will also be playing the video for Belle & Sebastian's "This Is Just A > Modern Rock Song", as it's the Plate that's Great all this week on > Eddy's show ... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rodbegbie at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 22:57:21 1998 From: rodbegbie at xxx.com (Rod Begbie) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:57:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Fwd: Stuff and that Message-ID: <19981207225721.17165.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Whoops - This didnae work the other day. Let's try again... ---Rod Begbie wrote: > > Hey kids! > > So I ordered some stuff out of the Jeepster shop (including a copy of > Modern Rock Song) and my credit card was maxed-out, so I got a message > on my answerphone from Katrina telling me, and then I phone up David > to give him my other credit card number, and he mentions that I was > topping a list-crush vote (although apparently all the votes were > coming from one site), so I decided to have a nosey at the archive. > > And I miss you all loads! > > Yeah, sadly due to time contraints, work commitments, and not having a > PC at home yet, I haven't been able to resubscribe to Sinister. > > But I promise that once I'm back in action, I'll be very much back. > > Finally - A tasteless joke: What's dangerous and eats nuts? Syphillis. > > Aythangyoo. > > Later, popchums! > > Rod. > > PS. If Lisa the Bostonian who bought my ticket is reading this - get > in touch! I lost your phone number. == -- Rod Begbie - rod at begbie.com - http://www.begbie.com -- "My bed's full of takeaways and fantasies of easy lays The pause button's broke on my video" -- Robbie Williams, Strong _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mart at xxx.uk Sat Dec 5 15:59:06 1998 From: mart at xxx.uk (Martin Horsfield) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:59:06 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Hiya, Have to say, I agree with Chris in his assesment that B&S fans represent a meta-movement of sorts. Part of this band's charm is that while they would rather idle their time in cafes than talk to the music press, their fans know that they can direct any question they like to them via email. Apart from the Manics, I can't think of another band that has held themselves with the same dignity or preserved their ideals so completely. Compare them to major label 'indie' creations such as Electrasy, Placebo or Hurricane #1, who would sell their songs to anyone, present themselves to anyone, jump through hoops to appear on kids TV and you can't help but wonder why everyone doesn't run their artistic careers the same way. (My only slight qualm being that the Internet is somewhat more expensive than the NME or Selectadisc, at least in the UK). Roll on cable modems! In the words of, erm, Rush: "All this tchnology making modern music/you can still be open hearted/it's just a question of your honesty, yeah!" Anyone noticed that the divine Dot Allsion out of One Dove is supporting Saint Etienne at the Forum. I met her at a party in Clapham last year and she reckons she's trying to mine a country soul seam, with a cred dance sheen. Should be better than Alabama 3 at any rate. Martin Horsfield, succumbing to flu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Julie_Smith at xxx.com Mon Dec 7 19:47:08 1998 From: Julie_Smith at xxx.com (Julie_Smith at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:47:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Last Night I Dreamt Message-ID: <01J526OINXLU8X9AP6@NOTELT.MED.IACNET.COM> Well, hmm I had my first ever dream about Belle and Sebastian. First off, someone famous was quoted as saying that only truly boring people are silly enough to think that people are actually *interested* in their dreams, but too bad, you get the rundown anyway. (By the way, does anyone know who that famous person was?) And don't worry, it's short. My good friend Nick and I wandered into a place that looked a lot like my high-school gym. And there, sitting on top of folding tables, were Belle and Sebastian. Now since I don't *really* know what the band looks like (besides Stuart and Isobel of course), all of the members were made up by my imagination, the weirdest point being that there were about 25 people in my "version" of the band. So Nick and I went to the middle of the gym and pulled up a folding table to listen to them. The problem was they couldn't remember how to sing any of the songs. Stuart would sing something like, "Stars of track, um what was that again?" And then Nick and I would sing it for them in hopes of jogging their memories but they just looked confused--friendly, but confused. Stuart gave up after a while but promised to make it up to us by telling us the story of "the second girl he'd ever kissed." But I woke up and didn't get to hear it. Sigh. On the children's books topic: Madeline L'Engle was one of my favorites as a kid and I've read her Time Trilogy many many times. In fact when I worked in a bookstore during high school I used to tell little kids they should read her rather than The Babysitters Club and other fluffy stuff. But the reason I brought her up again is that she has a similarity with C.S. Lewis cuz she also uses religious themes and has written religious books for adults on the side. I'd never thought about that before everyone started writing about these folks. I'm really excited about seeing St Etienne especially now that I found out I can still go despite the fact that I lost my driver's license this morning. Hooray for all ages shows! Julie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From atieger at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 00:27:40 1998 From: atieger at xxx.com (aaron tieger) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:27:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: mathrock Message-ID: <19981208002740.5622.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> In addition to all the great bands everyone's already mentioned, let's not forget Pittsburgh's mighty Don Cabellero. Also, my friend andy does some solo mathrock stuff. he's a got a two-song demo he'll send you for real cheap. It's worth whatever he's asking and is nice because it's prettier than most mathrock stuff. aaron and I beg to differ: The entire Rodan album is brilliant, especially "Everyday Language of Bodies." === atieger at rocketmail.com I tossed in my quilt Angry at my own helplessness. It is easier to see Heaven Than to see you. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail, free e-mail for the planet. * Visit & explore Cybersmith at http://www.cybersmith.com * Get your web-based e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kmcguire at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 02:30:20 1998 From: kmcguire at xxx.com (that guy mcguire) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:30:20 -0800 Subject: Sinister: easing the burden of modern life vs. bizarre coincidence Message-ID: <002a01be2252$b4522ea0$ee09b3d1@okcomputer.indierockfuckers.com> my bus transfer on the way home stops just a block from rhino records, where i went afterwork today to pick up the new ep. i slid it into my cd player at the counter then headed off to catch my bus. a cigarette, cool air, a bus stop and a new single. isn't this the way b+s are meant to be enjoyed? life is nearly unbearable most of the time, but for twenty minutes and one second today, things looked pretty good. there was a sign rising up over the boulevard that read: "Life is full of responsibilities, there are vehicles for these times." vehicles indeed... the ride home was lovely and bizarre as usual. ranting homeless, pretty boys and girls in tennis shoes and coats, even a few daft smiles i couldn't place. to top it all off (no one if going to believe me, but i will tell this anyway) i get home and checked my messages to find a wrong number from a man named 'sebastian' looking for an electrician. the world, my friends, is strange... but sometimes kind of wonderful. -kelly ryan mcguire +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jmoorkens at xxx.ie Tue Dec 8 02:55:23 1998 From: jmoorkens at xxx.ie (joss) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:55:23 GMT Subject: Sinister: Sinister Tales Message-ID: Belle & Sebastian: the forgotten protagonists. part one of an occasional series - 'my crippled friend' One bright and sunny day, Frank decided to go for a walk to the butchers, despite his crippled leg. It was so nice out, after all. He didn't want to buy anything, he was just going to look, for they had the finest selection of meats in all of town. Off he went, hobbling along merrily when all of a sudden he saw an elderly gentleman standing in his way. The elderly gentleman, despite his many and ancient years, fired a stone in Frank's direction. The stone flew past Frank's ears leaving him aghast. "Do not throw your stone at me, for I have a crippled leg!", he told the elderly gent. The gent looked to the ground in shame and Frank, feeling vindicated, continued on his meaty errand. As he passed the post office, he saw a young man wearing boxing gloves. His face lit up as he recognised the man as his young friend Struan, out walking his dad for the day. "Hello there, young Struan", said Frank, but the young man said not a thing. Instead, he popped a jab in Frank's direction, almost knocking the golden filling from his jippy molar. Frank stared at his young assailant in disbelief before admonishing him thusly: "Don't pop a jab at me, young Struan, for I have a crippled leg!" Frank got away quickly, for it seemed that Struan had moved to kick his crutches. And that would never do. Frank was almost at the butchers, wondering allowed what had become of his lovely day, when he saw a poor beggar by the roadside. In an effort to improve his dreadful luck via the gift of the beatles' karma, he limped over to the poor beggar, for to give him a crown. As he leaned towards the beggars upturned hat, he heard a nasty sound from the begging throat. Then a huge lungful of gob emerged from twixt the beggarlips and hit Frank - full in the face! Frank turned to the beggar in disgust saying: "Do not spit at me Mr. Beggar, for I have a crippled leg!" So the beggar smote him with a leg-iron and Frank dropped to the floor. "For why did you do such a thing?" said Frank through the use of his penultimate breath. "Because I wanted to be on TV's Esther Rantzen", replied the beggar, setting off for the BBC's Birmingham studios. "For why did you smite the cripple man, Beggar?", shouted TV's Esther Rantzen gustily to the approval of her family audience family. "I love you, Esther", gasped the beggarman then through a veil of tears. And so Esther forgave the beggar and brought him on holidays to her caravan in Wales, where, for many days and nights, they stayed up making babies. One of them may possibly have had a gammy leg. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From escossia at xxx.br Tue Dec 8 02:42:53 1998 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:42:53 -0200 Subject: Sinister: Some boys are bigger than others Message-ID: <01be2254$7479f720$0100007f@localhost> Big Stu wrote: >I actually think there is a movement going on, which we are part of. It's >not about trying to change the world by smashing the system or anything, >it's about tolerance and generally being nice to people. They were talking about POP movement, aren't they ? I agree with you about tolerance and being nice but there's nothing to do with B&S or Mod or Punk or gothic or anything. When i think about a "movement" (Mod, Punks....) it's like : Hey, I wear black outside cause black is how i feel inside. Hey, look that girl walking down the road, she is wearing black, maybe black is how she feels inside too..JUST LIKE ME !!! I will talk to her about Bauhaus !! Do you know what i mean ? In the end of the day these movements are... NOTHING !!! Some Punk elements are GREAT ! The Indie Labels and DIY. Being nice and tolerance is about LIFE. Susannah wrote: > Its again been another decade since I last posted to the list, mainly due >to the world and his mother now subscribing, plus my Dad saying to me 'do you >know theres a Belle and Sebastian web site, and a mailing list?' no, Dad I >didn't. >Well he says, 'I'll log on and get some information for you if you like. I loved it.. Amazing. My father thinks i'm MAD cause i used to have a Laibach album when i was 16 years old. MY GOD !!!!! My 16's ...so much to answer for. Chris Butler wrote: >Describe to me what sort of music you like in >less than a sentence and most likely you'll find >some sort of stereotypical label. Pop Yep, i'm the kind of guy who calls Smiths, Ride, Belle and Sebastian Pop Music What ? Do you want to know how i call Spice Girls ? Jarkko Fräntilä wrote: >And YES, I do drink beer and YES I do indeed wear >cardigans (wearing one right now) and black polo-shirts... But still. >Isn't that just... well, normal? I love these ä I drink beer, i wear black Polo shirt and i don't have a cardigan. Do i have to sell all my B&S Cds ? Is it an Ink Polaroid ? ... By Ivo A P Escossia I've been listening to OP8's album [featuring Lisa Germano] called "slush" a lot. They are great. Lisa has a nice voice. I've been thinking about life in general a lot too. I decided i don't want to die too old, but please HELP THE AGED. OP8 has the same elements that made me fall in love with Belle and Sebastian, of course, OUR lovely duo is *MAGIC*, more than ANY other "living" band in this f *** world. I was reading some old magazines yesterday and i found a funny thing in BLAH BLAH BLAH #1 (How many BLAH's are too many ?) Damon Albarn Cover. This is a nice magazine. The Damon Albarn/Irvine Welsh [a "meeting" interview] is GREAT. I like Blur a lot..i know it does not make me Twee. It does not make me a cool guy and Honey will unsubscribe me from Sinister. ... but i like them,even the "pavement" album. 2 years ago i was alone and bored walking in Camden Town. [May i say SAD ?] I decided to eat something and get cancer. I bought Silk Cut and some food...than i saw Graham in front of that supermarket in front of the tube exit in Camden High Street. He looks like a Japonese Cartoon, he does not have a butt and he's shorter than me. A friend of mine once saw Morrissey walking down King's Road. She told me he looks like a HAPPY man. [ooops, bad joke] Tell us. Which Pop Star you saw recently ? Did you see any Pop Star in B&S's gig ? The Damon/Irvine Interview has some funny parts. Irvine told about that funny photo..THAT photo he took with a boxer short and a plastic cone in his head. He told about another photo with some bananas on it. but i think it's better not tell all the datails cause there're some UNDER 18 here. Damon told about a photo he took in Germany He was having a shower and soaping up his dick. I've got a friend who's a Damon fan I think she could die if she "put her eyes" in some Damon's "private parts". I forgot to order the new Belle and Sebastian Ep today Blame on me. Lucky listeeeeees. You went to a record shop today and you bought the new Ep. Life can be so easy. I hate Fax machines and computers are devil's work. Andrew Muller in BLAH BLAH BLAH wrote about Magnetic Fields GET LOST: "..Get Lost is bedsit music that contemplates the world outside with a gorgeous BLEARY rancour.." What the hell BLEARY mean ? Grammar people...Help me !!!! In the same issue they called Neil Hannon *The Godfather of Torch* Stuart M is the Godfather of _________________ . WHAT ? I can not think anything clever now. *Irvine Welsh about Damon's smelly feet* " That's weird because - i don't want to be funny - but you smell quite nice". Isobel seems to smell quite nice too. I smell quite nice :o) OH, my God. Too long bored/boring mail Sorry. ~~~^~^v^~^v^~^v^~^v^~v^~^v^~^v^~ Ivo A P Escossia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Delaware9 at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 03:36:54 1998 From: Delaware9 at xxx.com (Delaware9 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:36:54 EST Subject: Sinister: She's a teacher, and she's got style... Message-ID: <8861b47c.366c9ed6@aol.com> Wow, my first Study at Stow score! I always like hearing about when you all wear yr Study at Stow T-shirts and people comment on them! Ah, for so long I would read and think "Why doesnt anyone ever run up to ME and shriek, 'YOU LIKE BELLE AND SEBASTIAN TOO?!?!?!?'" Usually I just have to explain over and over to people who look at me quizzically and say "What's Stow?" "Who are Belle and Sebastian?" etc. But now I too have my own story to share, yay!!.... My college often sets up these little programs where one of our professors who has done something of note recently will give a presentation during lunchtime for all interested people to come and eat and listen to them talk. And today it was this lady who was into art history and literature and had just published a book. And instantly when she walked in I thought she was so kool! She had this cute blond messy bun-hair and awesome old cat-eye glasses and bright red lipstick! And she was wearing this cute little sweater from the 50s and a long brown skirt and she just looked really nice and fun. And her presentation was intelligent and interesting, abt variations in the way Hamlet's Ophelia has been portrayed throughout the years. She started by showing us the really old engravings, then Waterhouse's paintings, etc, and moved up to modern times with things like the cover of PJ Harvey's "To Bring You My Love" which mimics the scene of Ophelia drowning. But then when she was finished, and we were all standing up to leave, she saw my shirt and said to me, "Hey, do you like Belle and Sebastian?" and I started freaking out! And I said of course and she told me that she had Sinister and TBWTAS! And she knew the songs on the EPs. And we were talking abt them for a while. It was very surreal to me, in "a town so small, there's nothing left to do." So I was so excited, and what if i hadnt even worn my shirt? I think we should all wear our B/S shirts every day like a uniform, to identify each other! Haha. I just have to sign up for a class with this lady now! She made my day. Hmmm...I wonder if she and me are the only B&S fans at my little skool? Additionally, I wanted to bring to yr attention the email address for MTV's 120 Minutes. Lesley Jo and I think that we should totally inundate them with emails requesting "Is it Wicked Not to Care?" or Belle and Sebastian in general. Maybe they will see the light and start playing them more instead of Marilyn Manson or whomever it is that they play instead. Even if you never watch it, even if you dont have a TV, just write, it only takes a sec...Lesley was even kind enough to provide a message for you busy types...just cut, paste and send! Play Belle and Sebastian or you will stink like cheese for the whole next century!!!!!!! it's true. So there you go. Send those emails to: Minutes120 at aol.com NOW!! Jess, the forward slanting mother of all pudding bowl haircuts. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From J_Fogel at xxx.EDU Tue Dec 8 17:27:10 1998 From: J_Fogel at xxx.EDU (jess) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:27:10 -0600 Subject: Sinister: Some boys are bigger than others References: <01be2254$7479f720$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: <366D616D.19313915@emerson.edu> > hiya, Although i usually sit in my corner, quietly and keep my mouth shut, i decided to reply to this one. (oh and by the way, the spelling mistakes are done on purpose, hey, i'm from israel, english is my 3rd language,hope u all excuse me...) i got a huge research paper to due tomorrow and haven't started yet, so i'll make my it a really quick one. > I've been listening to OP8's album [featuring Lisa Germano] called "slush" > a lot. > They are great. Lisa has a nice voice. yes indeed she has a beautiful voice! but i thought lisa only plays the violin on there, guess i was wrong, thanks Ivo now i'll have to get it, (that is once i'll have some cash in my pocket). > > Which Pop Star you saw recently ? a couple of years ago (during my uk period) i was wandering through the streets of london, and there was this guy in a dark suite, dark hair, walking in front of me, anyway, he dropped some change, noticed it but kept on walking. I thought i'll be a nice person, pick it up and give it to him. but on 2nd thought, if this guy is too lazy to pick it up himself why should do it for him?! basically (i'll make it short, not to bore u), he turned around and it was Nick Cave! (lazy bum!) ok, i'll go now, see ya j. > > > > > > > > > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Geneusface at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 04:53:56 1998 From: Geneusface at xxx.com (Geneusface at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:53:56 EST Subject: Sinister: Sandip i lost your email address! Message-ID: hi all, sorry to do this on the list, but, sandip, it's jessica and i want to write you back but my mail server has been mighty freaky and i can't find your mail anywhere. consequently i don't have your e addy. just drop me a line so i can write you back! cheers jessica +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ozmusic48 at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 04:54:40 1998 From: ozmusic48 at xxx.com (Ben Rainbird) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:54:40 PST Subject: Sinister: Er Yeah Hi! Message-ID: <19981208045441.20165.qmail@hotmail.com> Sorry about this, brief compulsion thing to say hi, I've just joined this list, and before I really annoy the living christ out of everyone I would introduce myself. My name is Ben Thomas and I am 20 which is insanely old. I was born in the "peeling paint seaside town" (Thanks Q Magazine) of Irvine, Scotland and I now live in Australia. The two football teams in my life (St Mirren and Liverpool) 100% underachieve which is my biggest life disappointment. I've been in three fights and won two. I have blonde hair. The first thing I unpack when I move is my signed St Mirren FC shirt circa 1995. I have no history of mental instability. My biggest secret is that on school camp I snuck out and got drunk. I have jam on my toast. I once scored with a 30 yard free kick and in school cricket the wicketkeeper dropped my hat trick ball. My musical tastes I won't go into so as to avoid the "Why do you listen to them" thing that happens. Suffice to say my favourite song EVER is Birthday by the Sugarcubes. I've never broken any bones but I skinned my own neck. I hate dogs. I've been drunk twice in my life and neither time was much fun. I've met some famous people but they've usually been drunk (ie. Marie Kenickie). I have an unfulfilled ambition to meet Emma George. I can tap dance but I can't whistle. I can paint but I can't draw. On the karaoke I sing Kung Fu by Ash. I prefer Cheddar Cheese to Cottage Cheese and I loved Button Moon more than life itself when I was younger. And my heroes are David Boon the cricketer and Ralph Wiggum the Simpsons cartoon character. Oh I adore B&S Ben Thomas ------------------------------------------------------------ House of Unit The Australian/UK music mailing list Joinable by sending an e-mail to ozmusic48 at hotmail.com with subscribe in the subject line ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 06:02:40 1998 From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:02:40 EST Subject: Sinister: Math Rock Message-ID: Don Caballero is the quintessential band for this genre now. Rush meets King Crimson. Pete G. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkorchia at xxx.fr Mon Dec 7 07:47:19 1998 From: mkorchia at xxx.fr (Michael Korchia) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:47:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Did Stu interview Lawrence Felt last March? Message-ID: <366B8807.58204B3B@club-internet.fr> Hi, some may think it's a bit late to ask this, but i remember that i read on this list, 10 months ago, that Stu would interview Lawrence. Did he? is the interview avalaible somewhere on the net? Thanks, __^o^__ Michael Korchia mkorchia at club-internet.fr Watoo Watoo Homepage : http://www.multimania.com/watoo/ Mumbly Homepage : http://www.multimania.com/aurore/emumbly.htm +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Tue Dec 8 11:46:19 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 03:46:19 -0800 Subject: Sinister: le "mystery bus" du Belle et Sebastien Message-ID: <001701be22a0$5fd5a020$4f11020a@rebelstrange> ok i'm really in a weird state as i've just woke up at 2-30 am for strange reasons best left unsaid co they're boring. so i probably dont' have a lot to say. thanks to weejay for defendign the gate, i know i don't know what it sounds like yet, but i'm sure i'll really like it.........(cookies to anyone who knows that reference)(ok it's a sad attempt at a reference) re cultural discussion, i'm sorry for rambling so much the other night, you can blame it on pink champagne if you like, that's my idea of a nice evening, sitting alone and pretending that i'm getting drunk. well, maybe it worked, i did end up with a nice headache the day after. anywya i wasn't intending to pass judgment on listees or the band by pronounceing anyone's ideology or tweeness, i was just trying to say tha tthere are quieter ways to 'rebel' than eating one's own excrement. everyone takes it so seriously if someone appears to 'accuse' them of being 'nice" or 'twee'. all words that have no meaning, ultimately, except in relation to other concepts, so let's all chill out, there's worse things than being called polite, no one is ssaying you mutiilate dead babies, theyre' just saying you're a bit less grating than marilyn manson, not a mean feat really when you think about. no one honestly believes the band, or the list people, are all traipsing through fields in pink gingham picking tulips and doing the jig, i mean honestly, no one believes that! now you can go on with your hard-ass, tough-lliving life, and return to killing children under the influence of bad smack. You can go and look at this if you want http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4967/bsbus.jpg i was correctly inspired yesterday to finally get it done and it makes me laugh. isobel i'm not completely happywith, but that's not a surprise, i just could never make her as perfect as she is!! *dreamy* and remember, there are certain parameters working within the framework of scooby doo, so keep it in mind before you point out disappointments. and a hearty hello to my honorary cuz Tuff jess, oh how I envy you and your tale of touching coolness!!! hm we should all buy like 10 stow shirts so we can wear them everywhere and always be prepared to spread the gospel. Still waiting for that TeeJammers call from the local shop....... in my CD player (now debuting): SpinArt One Last Kiss compilation In my car stereo: red house painters In my lingerie: me In my nefariously scheming brain: moneymaking and school-skipping plans for hitchhiking to Athens GA lesley Jo "twee as fuck" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shop at xxx.uk Tue Dec 8 10:24:39 1998 From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 10:24:39 +0000 Subject: Sinister: list crush Message-ID: <366CFE67.FC35D2E@jeepster.co.uk> erm, just thought i'd check the script before we left, and what do i find? rod begbie is number one! but as one person managed to vote all 20 times behind some proxy server or something i've had to delete him from the fray of list crushes! sorry, but cheating really isn't sporting. on the same note, the whole top five are currently on the tightrope of being deleted too, whoever it is with BT as their ISP who's voting for Beth for example, your intentions may be lovely, but you may also get her deleted! the list crush thing is there for a laugh, no-one should need to cheat, it really isn't that important! oh, and one last thing, if you really do have a crush on someone, why not just mail them? cheers david ----------------------------------------------------------------------- david kitchen : jeepster recordings ltd http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/salako/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/snowpatrol/ mailto:shop at jeepster.co.uk jeepster recordings ltd, 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london w10 5bn to subscribe to the news mailing list mail majordomo at jeepster.co.uk with the words 'subscribe news' in the body of the message there is no need to subscribe if you are on the 'sinister' list +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Tue Dec 8 12:51:32 1998 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:51:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: It'll be lonely this Christmas without you... In-Reply-To: <366CFE67.FC35D2E@jeepster.co.uk> Message-ID: OK folks, I'm out of here as of tomorrow, back to my parents' place for the Christmas holidays. What fun. When I get back, I expect to be able to look in the archives and find a deep discussion as to the meaning of the phrase "Soul Of An Unearthly" which is emblazoned on the back of the PYJAMAS ep. On my first listen to it yesterday (after I finally found a copy - HMV didn't have any at all, had they sold out by 2pm on the day of release?) my first reaction to The Gate was that the guitar strumming at the start is identical to the guitar strmming at the start of Mary Jo. It's a good song, I just think the drums are too high up in the mix, but never mind. Oh yeah, and I had a dream about Salako last night, which is probably a first. I was watching a video of one of their songs - can't remember which one - and it had been filmed at the Borderline gig last month, and I could see myself in the audience. Bizarre. Well that's about it. This is no declaration, I just thought I'd let you know goodbye. Big Stu And a big slobbering kiss under the mistletoe to you all. Especially to the single females out there... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From reid.dossinger at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 02:57:46 1998 From: reid.dossinger at xxx.com (Reid Dossinger) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:57:46 -0500 Subject: Sinister: The chances are slim Message-ID: <366C95AA.A211A07D@bigfoot.com> I'm done with all of the digests that were filling my mailbox after a fun-filled visit to Our Nation's Capital, visiting everyone's favorite seldom-posting listees, Christian and Susan. You'll be happy to know that Susan and I sacrificed a few brain cells at the altar of the God of Just One More Couldn't Hurt. When will I learn? Sunday morning was spent overcoming waves of nausea, although that could have been brought on by the MTV that we were watching and taunting. I think we hurt its feelings, but I'm glad. When you get right down to the nitty gritty of all this M!O!V!E!M!E!N!T! talk, I just have this to say: there won't be another movement these days, because anytime a group of people with similar interests or goals get together, the whole fucking world feels some twisted obligation to have long, drawn-out discussions and analysis on whether or not said group is a "movement", and whether it's valid and necessary, and what name we should call it, all of which ends up killing it immediately. Hint, fucking hint. I suppose this would be an appopriate time to confess that I adore Belle and Sebastian for the shocking reason that they write brilliant songs. It has nothing to do with wanting to be part of a movement, nothing to do with "Stuart M.'s lyrics are sad and lonely just like me", nothing to do with cardigans (I wouldn't even be able to recognize a cardigan, aside from Nina Persson)...nothing to do with any of that. And I would just like to say once again that I hate the term "twee" as it's applied to Belle and Sebastian. This band writes beautiful songs, end of story, no need for meaningless terms. Wear what you want, throw out your biscuits (unless they're the Southern variety, in which case pass 'em here) and listen to whatever tickles your eardrums. I hope I speak for the majority... > Seymour Stein - isn't that a tongue in cheek criticism of the major = > label industry? > No. And frankly, I'm a little surprised (no insult intended) that a fan thinks this. It's been said several million time by sources official and just plain knowledgable that Seymour Stein is just A STORY ABOUT B&S meeting Seymour Stein. There's no criticism intended at all. There are tons of reasons why a band shouldn't sign to a major label *besides* their corporate-ness, and I never cease to admire B&S for realizing that. They chose not to go with a major label, and that's that. Mag Megan wrote: > anyway, i was going to write about how i got my first flame from someone on > the list today. > I'm sure I'm not the only one on the list who will gladly offer my capacity for violence to "take care of" said flamer in defense of dear Megan. Especially after that beautiful B&S-esque story of the bagpiper in front of the church. Did you request "Sleep the Clock Around"? Is anyone else slightly worried about Honey? Not a peep since "the incident". We're not orphans, are we? Where's our list mummy? Who will protect us from the mean ol' metalheads who are itching to spill their cheap beer on our twee cardigans? Oops. So I'll be spending the next few days driving from my mailbox to Two Way Pull records in downtown Chapel Hill, seeing which one gets TIGGER 'JAMAS first. My money's on the mailbox, but don't I doubt the record-ordering prowess of the perpetually stoned owner of Two Way Pull. Should make for an interesting race. If worse comes to worse, I'll end up with two copies, but there's nothing wrong with that. At the back of the gym, Reid On my air-conditioning: the "cool" setting. It's summer without leaves. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From GaoBest at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 08:01:25 1998 From: GaoBest at xxx.com (GaoBest at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 03:01:25 EST Subject: Sinister: big black & various chicago questions Message-ID: In a message dated 12/7/98 10:23:43 AM, asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu wrote: <> hey kids when i was "researching" the records i was going to copy for Jim's Xmas tape swap deal (which i am pleased to say that i mailed off today, so some lucky boy in england will be getting an ace tape that includes Tom Jones' "things go better with coke," steven fields' "legalize heroin," st etienne's "are we gonna be alright?" and various tracks from Culturcide), anyways I realized that I've not played my Rapeman 7" for "inki's butt crack/song #1" in ages, so i put that osng on the tape. anyways my big-black connection point is this: is the stuff about "jordan, minnesota" true? i first heard that song in 1989 when I prepped it to play in my old college radio show (april, to be exact - april 13 i think) and i've always wondered if the stuff involved in that song was true. At the time, I just blindly believed it and I even announced on the air about the meaning of the song... but what if I was wrong? Personally I can't stand the whole math-rock stuff, or whatever those bands are. Tortoise, Sea and the Cake, Rex, Guvner, Bardo Pond, Idaho, Low... I mean i know they're super talented, but I just get bored with them. Scary to think I've seen them all live at various times. Actually I walked out on a Low gig 'cause I was just too bored, wound up driving home with Whigfield's "ain't it blue" blasting in my car stereo. I'm in a severe bind. Does anyone know the compilation called Blub Krab, from the late '70s? The most famous artist on it was Jad Fair, who later became famous for his Half Japanese band, although Jad Fair also is well known in some musical circles. The reason why I need this compilation so badly is not because of Jad Fair, but because of the Pablums' "Under my Gums" which was a great parody of "Under my Thumb" and if anyone sees this compilation I'd be willing to pay over $25 for it, yes i'm that desperate. I paid the equivalent of US$17 (BEF550) for Culturcide's _Tacky Souvenirs of the American Revolution_ (sic?) album which is still one of my favorite records, but I'm willing to pay sooo much more for Blub Krab if anyone can find it for me. I know this isn't a marketplace but I'm desperate and I'm not sure where else I can turn. The fact that I really want Blub Krab has been grinding away at me for the past 3 years. hope everyone's enjoying TIJAMRS EP, isn't it just splendid :-) well worth the wait, I think! xox mike +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From denisep at xxx.ie Tue Dec 8 09:46:54 1998 From: denisep at xxx.ie (denisep at xxx.ie) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:46:54 GMT Subject: Sinister: A Postcard for You! Message-ID: <199812080946.JAA24680@misc0.ac.psiweb.com> A postcard from denise is waiting for you at Ben & Jerry's in the UK! To pick-up your postcard, go to the following URL: http://www.benjerry.co.uk/cards/ Your secret number is 60323563. Hurry! If your postcard is not picked up within two weeks, it may be removed! Thank you! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Tue Dec 8 10:34:55 1998 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 10:34:55 +0000 Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: MTV UK Alert ... Miss it or Miss Out! References: Message-ID: <366D00CF.D8CA6948@jeepster.co.uk> hi again, oh dear, i hate to upset people by providing them with information ... one day i'll get things right ... anyhow ... JaMeS wrote: > > Hmmm, ive just read this mail at 10:40pm and im not at home so i cant tape > it. Arrrgghh!!!!! Is there any chance of getting warnings about B&S videos > on telly a tad earlier as I've managed to miss every single showing so > far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > *Doh!* > slightly peeved > JaMeS well, you'll be happy to know that they actually play "the plate that is great" on each of the "up for it" shows during the week, which i think is tonight and tomorrow night, so, providing you actually check your e-mail in time you may be able to watch it! they don't play it all, but at least you'll see about 4 out of 7mins + 9secs worth. i can't wait to get on that plane ... *sigh* ... bye, Katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london, w10 5bn, uk phone - 0181 964 9432, fax - 0181 964 8600 http://www.jeepster.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Tue Dec 8 13:43:07 1998 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (WeeJay) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:43:07 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Freudian slips... In-Reply-To: <000101be2225$34091f60$584d989e@elsato97> References: <199812071951.TAA16525@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Message-ID: <199812081337.NAA20210@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> *Intake of breath* Hello again sinisterines... Not that it's been long or anything. Interesting morning so far - Woke up with a splitting headache which wasn't fair as I stayed in all last night (albeit eating sugar) and stumbled over to the garage to mumble something at the bemused man at the counter. Thankfully he decyphered it and sold me some 'happy shopper' asprins which I attempted to dissolve in some 3-fruit squash. Actually, that quite helped, and I was able to take a reasonable part in our group work for the day - editing together Psycho, Lethal Weapon and Ace Ventura together and then dubbing 'We wish you a merry christmas' over the top. Which answers "What course are you doing Weej?" - Film Studies. Don't know why exactly but hey, it's something creative to do for a few years so I can't complain. Anyway, anyway, anyway: > Hahaha! Knickers to that!! By the most singalong, do you mean like knees up > mother brown round the old joanna cockney knees up? I mean, has Isobel been > listening to Chas and Dave or what!! It's pretty funny, I'll give it that, Ha, Sarah, you'll be smited by the B&S gods for not liking 'The Gate' - what, am I in a minority of one here - It's great! Back me up someone! Um, what else...? > Yes of course, a very good attitude towards the environment which surrounds > you Weejay. Everyone LISTEN to Weej, cos cos he gets cultural studies crap. > I admit a load of it's all bollocks isn't it - well in media studies it is, > its crackin' - you can get anything to mean anything you want, and I impress > people by using the word pluralist a lot. BUT! I reckon here that a lot of > it is worth knowing and you should shut up. nooooo, it's stoopid, stoopid, stoopid! Once you get down that slippery path of ANALYSING EVERYTHING you lose what makes it worthwhile in the first place. > You're probably only scared of > castration. My friend was telling me about Sigmund Frued today. > Whatanoldperviepants. Yeah, why is Freud accepted at all? Didn't someone stop for a second and say "Wait a second, these ludicrous theories.... Do you actually have a shread of evidence for them?" Pah! If he was right then everyone who didn't grow up in a normal 2-parent family would be hopelessly twisted and abnormal. And all the really wierd people I know had a two-parent environment. > computer studies. It's not what I want to do, but hey. I'd rather end up > living in a house, not a cardboard box. I have NO intentions of doing a > degree in social antropology or whatever and then ending up working as a > walking fish outside Fish Men! Fish With A Difference!! No ta mate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what's the point of living your life to pay off a mortgage, say I. I'd better go now, Don't do anything I wouldn't, WeeJay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx James at twopounds.u-net.com Go on, what are you frightened of? (and remember - stick it in sideways) http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/ (Which will no longer crash your computer. Hopefully.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cchaffin at xxx.org Tue Dec 8 13:43:02 1998 From: cchaffin at xxx.org (Christa Chaffinch) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:43:02 -0500 Subject: Sinister: a story for the music lovers Message-ID: I read this last night and thought that you would like it: **** Hear the music. Listen with all your might, and you needn't clap to keep Tinker Bell from going into a coma. The music will restore her rosy cheeks. Then seek out the source of the melody. Look long and look deep, and somewhere in the murmuring world you will find the storyteller, there under the cabbage leaves, singing to herself. Or is that a she? Perhaps its a he. But whichever, or whatever, the poor thing is crippled. Can you see that now? The twisting, the bending, the awkwrd shape, the milky eye, the humped back, do you now make it out? But if you try to join in, to work a duet with the wonder, the song seases. When you startle the cricket its symphony ceases. Art is not by committee, nor is it by wish-fulfillment. It is that which is produced in the hour that stretches, the timeless time wherein ALL songs are sung. In the place devoid of electrical outlets. And if you try to grasp either the singer or the song, all you will hold is sparkling dust as fine as the butter the moth leaves on glass. How the bee flies, how the lights go on, how the the enigma enriches and the explanation chills...how the music is made...are not things we were given to know. And only the fools who cannot hear the song ask that the rules be posted. Hear the music. And enjoy. But do not cry. Not everyone was intended to reach A above high C. **** -Harlan Ellison, "Eidolons" Have a nice day everyone! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From agmuwv.044 at xxx.it Tue Dec 8 14:14:15 1998 From: agmuwv.044 at xxx.it (Marco Braca) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:14:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Big sur Message-ID: <366D3437.369B11B3@tellnet.pesaro.ps.it> § San Francisco Poem § ( by Marco#7 ) I want to walk in the deep " Big Sur" ; I want to appreciate the pungent smell I heard little ants whisper in the " Big Sur" ; They were dressed in white and pink , they were black . Marco#7 , the boy that waiting for the new ep , that will be available the next year here in Italy. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jim.Schmidt at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 15:18:18 1998 From: Jim.Schmidt at xxx.com (Jim Schmidt) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 98 08:18:18 MST Subject: Sinister: the gate Message-ID: <9811089131.AA913137905@mail.newtimes.com> december 8: it's freezing in san francisco and warm in new york...something is awry. i listened to "the gate" a few times before work this morning to help get me motivated...i must say that i think it's quite a nice tune and the bounciest of the bunch...(besides, it's the "new"-est track on the ep)...it's... whoo...all the lights just went off in our building! and all these high-pitched beeps are going off...is this the end?? well anyway, "the gate" is being harshly faulted...isobel even admits "there's gotta be a better song to sing..." and besides, it's got that whole "rainbow connection" thing going on. i better go face my fate now. jim. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Tue Dec 8 16:40:57 1998 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:40:57 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: this is just a (post)modern rock song (fwd) Message-ID: humble pie, everyone: dear david, of course, i do love the 'proper' version of TEAJAMS and it is only the unavoidable attachment to the first heard version that makes me complain. it is a wonderful song in all its forms and i just feel very lucky to be able to hear variations on a theme at all. i didn't mean to be snotty or purist or whatever - heaven forbid. b&s will be the soundtrack to my life whether they do twiddly vocals or not, never fear! thankyou for making my monday morning wonderful, luv archel xxx ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth rap101 at york.ac.uk http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nobody can be uncheered with a balloon." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From barzy at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 17:03:37 1998 From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:03:37 -0800 Subject: Sinister: list crush Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:03:07 -0800 >To:david kitchen - jeepster >From:barzy at networkmags.com (Madame Cholet) >Subject:Re: Sinister: list crush > > >>sorry, but cheating really isn't sporting. >> >>on the same note, the whole top five are currently on the tightrope of being >>deleted too, whoever it is with BT as their ISP who's voting for Beth for >>example, >>your intentions may be lovely, but you may also get her deleted! >> >>the list crush thing is there for a laugh, no-one should need to cheat, >>it really >>isn't that important! > > >Yikes! Not to mention creepy! I mean...it's not my *boyfriend* doing it >cause he thinks it's all a load of bollocks...and it's not my photojeni >cause she's not BT...so does that mean British Telecom is trying to >......STALK ME!? If so, can you please give Andy free BT cars to call me >with? If it's NOT the British Telecom...then that's even creepier, so I >must tell you that i'm much fatter and uglier than in the photo that's up >on the page so don't base anything on that for heaven's sake. Think >PHOTOSHOP people. > > >beth +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fatslug at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 16:23:53 1998 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:23:53 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Twee versus Rock (Part 246) Message-ID: Was that really Rod Begbie? Good to hear from him again, although I can't really understand this list crush business, seeing as how he looks like that Dr Fox bloke off the radio, but in a Helen Love t-shirt. Talking of list crushes I have to say that if there is one thing worse than getting no votes, it's being on the suggested list and still getting no votes. At least Mark Casarotto is saving up his alternate sexuality vote for me if he ever has a significant change of lifestyle. Thanks to everyone for their constructive comments regarding the Pop Subutteo debacle. Unfortunately the ban imposed by the governing body remains in place for next week, but this is more than made up for by the prospect of meeting a horde of New York listees on the 12th. Have you seen the bit in Select this month where they summarise pop music through the last ten years as a series of musical genres? Have you spotted the following entry right at the end? > >TweeRock (Late 1990s) > >TweeRock is the antithesis of the pub rock revivalist movement spawned >by Oasis in the mid-nineties, taking as it's influences the melodic pop >of the sixties, the gentle folk-pop of the seventies, and the DIY indie >ethic of the eighties. > >It is the popularity of the TweeRock movement that is credited with the >wholesale introduction of cardigans and biscuit nibbling to a number of >high profile fashion shows in 1998. The memorable advertising campaigns >"Bacardi, the drink for gentle sensitive people" and "Levis, for softly >spoken boys in corduroys" also sprang up at around the same time. > >The band most closely linked with TweeRock are Belle and Sebastian, >although they repeatedly deny being part of any such movement. In a >rare interview with Select bassist Stuart David went as far as to say: >"TweeRock? This is just pish pigeon-holing used as a substitute for >intelligent journalism, I'm off." > Kevan The Fat as Doestoevsky Slug *********************************** chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickclick.com http://www.chickmail.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Tue Dec 8 14:10:26 1998 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 14:10:26 +0000 Subject: Sinister: M***** M**** Message-ID: <366D3352.C9D621CF@jeepster.co.uk> Hi again, just thought i'd better post and tell you all that the scumbags at the aforementioned magazine have a rather large centre page spread of Belle & Sebastian in this weeks (cover date 12th December) issue. They're trying to palm it off as an interview, however it's just a collabaoration of old articles etc. oh, and they've put Stuart M and Isobel on the front cover. without asking the band. but i'm not annoyed, really. i just wish they'd grow up. cheers, Katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london, w10 5bn, uk phone - 0181 964 9432, fax - 0181 964 8600 http://www.jeepster.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fourboysinourcorduroys at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 16:30:35 1998 From: fourboysinourcorduroys at xxx.com (Lady Penelope) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:30:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: dublin / judo Message-ID: <19981208163035.457.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> hello, such is my enthusiasm for the new ep i have morphed into four boys and we are all quite cosy in our corduroys on this strangely mild december london day. last night i got home from dinner at my friend elliot's house in highgate and ate a mincepie while lighting candles in my bedroom....i slipped the cd in and snuggled up in the sounds of stuart's quasi-symphonic mots des fleurs....i thought of simple things and how i don't stop to look around and absorb, how the simple things pass me by and yet i seem to notice only the things which confuse and irritate me. slow graffiti is one of the most beautiful things i have ever heard. after hearing it live i thought it's strength would never translate to a studio recording and thankfully my ignorance has let me down again! now, moving on, mike from san francisco wants to meet the oirish contingent over the xmas period....the 27th at the long stone in dublin has been suggested. who is up for it (oooeeer)? please mail me privately and we'll organise something....i am going to be in ireland at my parents house in south kildare from the 24th until the 31st and i'd lerve to meet up with any of you. also is anyone planning on going to: a) the pastels at the garage on saturday? b) st etienne on the ? of december at the forum? c) new order & co extravaganza on new years eve? trent was on daria last sunday! woo hoo! padraic / lady penelope / wizzcake, gateau du wizz (she put me on the ground with judo) _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 14:23:01 1998 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:23:01 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Lucid, me? Never! Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E223A5360@server1.HITEntertainment.com> I'm going to take advantage of the relative (and blissful) quiet on the list at present to make pointless banter and offend the accountants among you. I just thought you might be interested to hear that at my office, we're being afflicted by the same problems as the list has been recently. For our Xmas party, it appears we are doing the "secret Santa" thing of picking names out of a hat full of all the employees and then buying them a five pound gift. Yay. But at the same time, my floor are doing a similar thing for our Xmas lunch. So now there is a bad-tempered email war going on, with misunderstandings, repeated statings of the screamingly obvious, obsolete messages invoking ire, and us on the top floor are coming across as isolationist snobs (though let's face it, mixing with Accounts would be a bit naff, so maybe they're right :)). So much for the season of goodwill... Anyway, what it made me think is how much tolerance and sensitivity I've come across (some may beg to differ :)) being on Sinister. Perhaps something similar should be obligatory in any type of community. I also want to second Lesley Jo (I think)'s argument that the concept of twee is not one with entirely negative connotations, at least among people who are honest enough to accept that tweeness, whatever it means, is part of their make up. And while I'm on Lesley Jo, anyone who hasn't had a giggle at her Mystery Bus is missing out big time ...:D *still chortling* *catching my breath* So there you go. I managed to get the TIJUANABRASS session version yesterday at the same time as the EP, coincidentally enough, and the only thing missing on the record that I can tell is Stuart's evident joie de vivre - must have been a wee bit tipsy, I reckon. Anyway, it's still a lovely song, with the best chord progression in the world. I'm glad they've gone back to the drone rock school for this one - I always find myself heading in that direction when I play music, even though in any other circumstances "rock" is pretty much a dirty word. I'm always going to love the three spacemen, as well as the VU's more self-indulgent moments, and the only record in the world which approaches Tigermilky and Sinister is Peng! by Stereolab... Mustn't get self-indulgent - must do work.... Good doggy, Mark xxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Derek.J.Weisel at xxx.edu Tue Dec 8 18:41:22 1998 From: Derek.J.Weisel at xxx.edu (Derek J Weisel) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:41:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Want the New Single! Message-ID: Hi, I am in the United States and every place I get my imports from says they dont know when they will have it. I checked on a couple places on the web and saw that the Jeepster shopping site is closed until after Christmas. I live outside Philadelpia has anybody else from the area found it somewhere or on the web somewhere. Thanks -Derek +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gary at xxx.uk Tue Dec 8 18:48:17 1998 From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:48:17 -0000 Subject: Sinister: D'ye Ken Ted Moult In-Reply-To: <199812080358.DAA16768@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000e01be22db$51e818e0$fe20883e@whelan> Hi List types.... Peter, is the subject title type thing or you ?. Well if you've got anymore requests, I'm only too happy to oblige. This one was going to be The Len Ganley stance, but first someone beat me to it and then Sarah told me you'd requested this one, so.... Speaking of which. Isn't it good to have the Fluffstress back to her old self again. 50% irrelevant drivel 50% insults. That's what I like to see in a Fluffy post. Personally I think she's spot on as well, LOTMDR is the most sing along of the B&S songs for me. Slow Graffiti's not far behind it mind though. Well I've not got the new single yet, I shall purchase it tomorrow, when I venture out the house, so I'll get to hear all the devastating alterations in the tracks for myself. Katrina, you should know by now, that pinching David's sweets will only put him in a bad mood. 87) Oh my god, he's back. The one the only Rod "the Bod" Begbie returns.... "Whoops - This didnae work the other day. Let's try again..." Stupid boy. 87) > So I ordered some stuff out of the Jeepster shop (including a copy of > Modern Rock Song) and my credit card was maxed-out, so I got a message > on my answerphone from Katrina telling me, and then I phone up David > to give him my other credit card number, and he mentions that I was > topping a list-crush vote (although apparently all the votes were > coming from one site), so I decided to have a nosey at the archive. Yeah, I can't keep it secret anymore Rod, they're all from me. I've been popping in there every hour on the hour especially to vote for you. 87) Julie wrote.... "Well, hmm I had my first ever dream about Belle and Sebastian." I'm yet to have a B&S dream, but I did dream I was punching the shit out of a member of Sinister at a party once many months ago. Very weird. I'M STEALING FLUFFYS SIG NOW I'M GOING NOW BYE!! Gary +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 70204923 at xxx.ca Tue Dec 8 19:15:49 1998 From: 70204923 at xxx.ca (Sebastian) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:15:49 EST Subject: Sinister: JAY F. Message-ID: <1850BF8783E@cs5.conestogac.on.ca> Not that it matters, but Mr. Jay Ferguson, guitarist extraordinaire from super-group Sloan, has chosen Belle and Sebastian as his second favourite record in 1998...right after Rufus Wainwright, and ahead of AIR. yay! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 20:07:59 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:07:59 +0000 Subject: Sinister: the cost the terrible cost In-Reply-To: <000101be2225$34091f60$584d989e@elsato97> References: <199812071951.TAA16525@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981208200759.007a3a50@mail.u-net.com> Sarah wrote: > >Agrh, and Stuart Gardening congratulated the list on it's insult-free-ness. >I suggest you look up any of JJ's posts to be proved wrong.... Cheeky cow. Come here and say that.I've never insulted anyone in my life. Unless they deserved it. How much did everyone pay for the new EP? You can get it for 1.97 in Music Zone Direct in the Trafford Centre, or walk up to HMV a few shops away and pay 3.99 for it. Could be 3.49 I forget. Anyway for 1.97 you can buy loads and give them to your friends. Which version of Slow Graffiti do people prefer? The EP one is shorter than the Acid House one, well it fades out earlier, and it has an oboe on it. The Acid House one sounds more of a racket. And, of course, on the EP version you can hear Richard farting proudly but firmly as he fidgets on his drum stool. JJ x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Tue Dec 8 21:43:46 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:43:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: youth movements and stuff In-Reply-To: <19981205170352.9160.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: I wanted to begin by replying to a few of Genevieve's thoughts, and then move on to some other stuff: On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Genevieve Wesley wrote: > but i do not think there is a movement really...i mean,if they really > wanted to rebel against something,yes certainly they have got VERY > important things,not just your parents values..like maybe how we're > destroying our earth?...seriously..i mean a lot good going 'fuck society > man! i'm a rebel!' when you might not have clean water to drink...or > fresh air to breathe,i think it's so sad,when even the most > beautiful,pristine places of wilderness on earth have smog in the air > floated over from other cities...rebelling against mass-consumption...it > would take lots of people and unfortunatley,that big number of > teenagers are the ones who just contribute more and more buy falling for > the commericals,this image that they are supposed to be ("selling > ourselves to ourselves")buying every tommy hifiger,nike prouduct etc. I think in the 60's, rebellion was more political than it is now, when it seems to have been integrated completely into consumer culture. For this reason, I can't blame anyone in B&S (or any other band) for just leaving the entire "youth culture rebellion" image behind. It's meaningless anyway. Although, I have to admit that I always loved the way Roxy Music dealt with the dilemma of "how to appeal to the counterculture without taking yourself too seriously." They always had such a nice jaded take on teen fervor, for example, in the lyrics to Manifesto, which I have been told are based upon a manifesto by pop artist Claus Oldenburg, called "I am for an art," but could just as well have been based on any of the communist, socialist manifestos. I am for the man who drives the hammer to rock you 'till the grave his power drill shocks a million miles away I am for the revolution's coming I don't know where she's been for those who dare because it's there I know I've seen now and then I've suffered imperfection I've studied marble flaws and faces drawn pale and worn by many tears Anyway, it's a great example of eurodisco (hope nobody minds this term). > are going to kick your ass" hee) but the one thing i find kinda fake in > all these groups is the importance of what you wear how you look..you > get loads of piercings and tattoos and spike your hair and THAT'S why > your a rebel? or you wear a short skirt? or whateve..i mean if you like > that look,FINE..but so many define their whole soul around an > image..and if you do that,it must be a kinda shallow movement? The classic contradiction between image and substance, exactly what we thought we were fighting for in 1984, I couldn't agree more with you, Geneieve. well, I'll shut up now on this tired old thread. Enjoyed the discussion, though! JJ - are you serious? Is there really an EP somewhere in the world that sells for $1.97? If you could pick up a copy for me, I'd be happy to pay you once I get to Ann Arbor (or make you a tape, whatever you'd like). Whoever wrote about the Levi's campaign marketing to the "pop" audience - that's really funny. I think Levi's is on a crusade to get hip. Here in Berkeley they've got these subways posters showing a lot of young Afro-American and Hispanic kids sporting g hip clothes and haircuts, covered with tattoos, with slogans saying "Candizzy" or "Kizmet Rising." They artwork is pretty neat but I don't know if I'd like to be put in a "hip-hop bag" by Levi's, if I were Afro-American. Well, that's it for today. Ciao! Heather +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 22:43:31 1998 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 14:43:31 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Musicians Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981208144331.009c4ce0@mail.hooked.net> How many folks on this list are musicians? What sorts of music do you write? I ask because I write, I'm in a band (or two), and if I was considered twee, I'd probably blush. SF is having a blackout and it's wonderful today. The sky has never looked more wide-open, or perhaps it's my glass of port that's setting me asail. señor droolcup +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lorelei_27 at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 23:05:16 1998 From: lorelei_27 at xxx.com (lorelei tremelor) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:05:16 PST Subject: Sinister: Musicians Message-ID: <19981208230516.3805.qmail@hotmail.com> >How many folks on this list are musicians? >What sorts of music do you write? > i'm a musician! i don't know what kind of music i write. i'm that girl who listens to shoegazer stuff, so perhaps i stem from there, but i don't always sound shoegazery. here's my question: who out there is a left-handed musician? (me being one) -lorraine ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TFertig3 at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 23:21:52 1998 From: TFertig3 at xxx.com (TFertig3 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:21:52 EST Subject: Sinister: Jammin with the Tigger Message-ID: <9b904810.366db490@aol.com> Dear list, I am a sad girl with no TIGGERJAM to listen to. I will get it on Friday probably. Oh how the week goes by so slowly! Is it really mello? I hope not. I like B&S best when they're all about p!o!p! I'm happy to hear you are all having great successes with your Study at Stow shirts. I, however, have gotten nothing! No response whatsoever! But then, that is not why we wear these shirts, is it? We don't wear them especially to attract the eyes of other Belle and Sebastianites lurking in the streets, do we? We don't wear them just so that everyone knows we like B&S, right? That's what we have the mailing list for. :) I like to wear my shirt because whenever I look down I feel happy that I'm wearing a piece of my favorite band, and it's a neato shirt too. And it accentuates my arms of sex, which are actually more like arms of stringbean. I wish I could have the old design with the bus. Will that ever be available again? I bought XO by Elliot Smith cause it was on sale, and I like the first half, but the second half is a bit poo. I like the beginning of Independence Day a lot. Oh dear, what is M***** M****? Something music.. yes? I've seen it I'm sure, on the shelf at the bookstore.. so many times.. Did anyone see the Simpsons on Sunday? What a moving episode. I cried. The only other two episodes I cried at was the one Bart steals the video game, and the one about Marge and Homer and the prom. Am I nuts? This show has depth, you know. It is the funniest stuff around, and that is why I have to go watch it now. Can I have one of Rod's votes? Tami xxxx that's my new sig. It's working for others, why not for me? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bkim0 at xxx.edu Tue Dec 8 23:06:54 1998 From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:06:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Mo Hopkirk and Lee please Message-ID: <199812082306.SAA84232@dept.english.upenn.edu> Anyone know about further Hopkirk and Lee releases? I've just heard this ep and love it to death, but it's just not enough. I'd even take "A Hopkirk And Lee Christmas," maybe. After a few weeks of amazingly warm don't-need-no-coat weather, it's all rainy here in Philadelphia and it's supposed to get really cold and winter-like. But I'd like to think that indoors, the forecast calls for flurries of passion, followed by extended periods of gettin' it on... Xavier -- BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0 at dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From NoelWhitey at xxx.com Tue Dec 8 23:58:03 1998 From: NoelWhitey at xxx.com (NoelWhitey at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:58:03 EST Subject: Sinister: Want the New Single! Message-ID: <30391b3.366dbd0b@aol.com> You can order it from Amazon.com -Damon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DMBesPhish at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 00:32:07 1998 From: DMBesPhish at xxx.com (DMBesPhish at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:32:07 EST Subject: Sinister: Musicians Message-ID: well well... i would say that im an aspiring musician. ive recently took up guitar and i still have a lot to learn about it. but as for songwriting goes, i have about 10 if not more poems that i will put into lyrics. and im not all that shabby at making up songs. ive always been able to do that sort of thing. in fact ive already made up one :) someday im going to be famous! xo, jackie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From michael.donofrio at xxx.edu Wed Dec 9 01:04:46 1998 From: michael.donofrio at xxx.edu (Michael Donofrio) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:04:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Musicians In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981208144331.009c4ce0@mail.hooked.net> Message-ID: i too am a musician of sorts. i play guitar and drums and sometimes keyboards too, though never at the same time. students always have a bit too much time on their hands, you see. i write the kind of songs i'd like to hear but never do. michael > How many folks on this list are musicians? > What sorts of music do you write? > > I ask because I write, I'm in a band (or two), > and if I was considered twee, I'd probably blush. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkolmar at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 01:18:10 1998 From: mkolmar at xxx.com (Mark Kolmar) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:18:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: musical suggestion In-Reply-To: <199812071951.TAA16525@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Message-ID: First, if you haven't already, run out and buy a Prefab Sprout record. _Steve McQueen_ is a bit moody, while _Jordan: The Comeback_ is brighter in mood and is almost like a series of intertwining concept-EPs. Second, the real reason for this post. The new album by Eels came out not too long ago, called _Electro-Shock Blues_. An illustration of a tombstone in the booklet, inscribed with "Sing along at home", gives you a fair idea of the tone of the record. Even as E, the band's leader, sometimes gets dangerously close to self-parody and morose self- indulgence here, the witty lyrics and clever arrangements make for a surprisingly touching and oddly humorous album. Eels have a previous album called _Beautiful Freak_. E released 2 albums under his own name, _A Man Called E_ and _Broken Toy Shop_. Both are excellent, but I personally prefer _A Man Called E_. Pure pop with a great deal of class, wit, and sophistication. --Mark __ Burning Rome : SENSELESS CD on Mindfield Records MindCD03 Cathartium 14 > Distributed by Dutch East India Trading, Com Four, and Carrot Top < < http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome > < MP3 & RealAudio tracks > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ctrips at xxx.net Wed Dec 9 02:03:45 1998 From: ctrips at xxx.net (ctrips at xxx.net) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:03:45 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Want the New Single! Message-ID: <00b701be2318$27ebbaa0$695178cc@fast.net> Usually Repo Records in Bryn Mawr receives new items within a week. Also, www.sirencd.com allows for pre-orders and ships promptly so you could order from them as well. I was amazed that my copy was at my doorstep yesterday - 12/7. ( I pre-ordered direct from Jeepster this time). I don't know how it arrived so fast but with service like that I will ALWAYS order this way (and I feel better about supporting the band and label directly). Thanks David!!!!!..... Thanks Jeepster shipping dept.!!! Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek J Weisel To: Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 1:41 PM Subject: Sinister: Want the New Single! > >Hi, > I am in the United States and every place I get my imports from >says they dont know when they will have it. I checked on a couple >places on the web and saw that the Jeepster shopping site is closed until >after Christmas. > I live outside Philadelpia has anybody else from the area found it >somewhere or on the web somewhere. > >Thanks > >-Derek >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From escossia at xxx.br Wed Dec 9 01:01:28 1998 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:01:28 -0200 Subject: Sinister: Drink me. Message-ID: <01be230f$73bb7820$0100007f@localhost> Mark Casarotto wrote: >the only record in the >world which approaches Tigermilky and Sinister is Peng! by Stereolab... Peng is a wonderfull album, my fave Stereolab album. I remember the first time i listened to a Stereolab's song. It was on the radio. magic, beauty, love, charming, sexy .... I don't really like their last albuns. But it's a good band. i am afraid Belle and Sebastian release bad records someday. NOPE, I am not the kind of guy who does not like one band anymore cause more people "found" the band. But let's face the reality How many bands are GREAT for 4, 5 or more albuns ? just a few !!! Katrina wrote: >i just wish they'd grow up. /me too I am listening to Chet Baker now. A friend of mine gave me 2 Cds today A Chet Baker and a Shirley Bassey compilation. Chet is GOD !!!!!! B E L I E V E, please !!!!! Losing the faith,smoking Marlboro Lights and drinking some beers. I am a happy bunny !!! ~~~^~^v^~^v^~^v^~^v^~v^~^v^~^v^~ Ivo A P Escossia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Tue Dec 8 21:17:37 1998 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:17:37 -0000 Subject: Sinister: covered in melted chocolate. Again. Message-ID: <01eb01be22f0$3ea74e80$837ba8c2@n2f9x2> GOURANGA! i'm forcing myself to read all these before going and listening to modern cock thong. i had to buy it in virgin.ugh. horrid claustrophobic shop owned by that scraggy-bearded bloke who lives up the road from here. thingy wrote: >Tell us. >Which Pop Star you saw recently ? and i say: thom yorke in chalky's in oxford i was too shy to say anything so i cycled out of the city and fell off my bike in a supermarket carpark instead. i have a relevant query. what are 'counting acts'? am i silly not to know? i had to explain belle and sebastian to someone the other day. she said 'buh and what?, i don't get it'. what she had got though, was every uk number one since march 1996, and all of take that's stuff, including solo stuff. that's not normal, is it? when i think of movements, i think of prunes. oh, books, i know no one gives a toss, but i meant to say the world's end series by monica dickens, not follyfoot farm. i'm reading ray bradbury now though. can anyone think of something i could do for the rest of the year coming? because i can't, and i'm getting worried that i'm simply going to fade away. yes, to a life that strives upwards alix.c "So don't approach me if you've no more to say than what you've been doing, or how much you paid for the beer in your hand. I really don't care and I might have to kill you, which wouldn't be fair. On me" - Prolapse 'Killing The Bland' +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ozmusic48 at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 04:49:50 1998 From: ozmusic48 at xxx.com (Ben Rainbird) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:49:50 PST Subject: Sinister: Mat Musings... Message-ID: <19981209044952.16469.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi again, thanks to all the lovely who wrote and said you liked my introduction, it was nice! I'll write to all those people at some future date, probably tomorrow. Today I am pondering whether to go out and betray my beloved Liverpool and buy a Manchester City top or not. The sky is a lovely blue today, a lovely Australian blue. Today is the sixth anniversary of my epic voyage to the ski slopes of Switzerland. I met Paul Hester (ex of Crowded House) the night after he completed his run of sheds (non Australians are now confused) and he said "Ben (thankfully cos that's my name), I am so fucking pissed I can't feel my legs!" which has stayed with me as a profound statement on a par with "I'll win an Oscar no shit by the year 2000" (Wendy James, Transvision Vamp). I can play a glockenspiel so I count as a musician, and I have a hidden talent for stand up comedy. And my friend once beat up a guy in an Elmo suit which broke my heart. I'm drifting now, off to my happy place where the Sun hits the Sky and I have never heard the hidden track of 1977 by Ash of the bloke vomiting. It's a field of green where I run. And then, after 2 hours of football, I nick the ball off the toe of the Rangers trialist, round the keeper and break a 30-30 tie. Magic. And we all drink Irn Bru and laugh. Are there any Scottish people out there? BT ------------------------------------------------------------ House of Unit The Australian/UK music mailing list Joinable by sending an e-mail to ozmusic48 at hotmail.com with subscribe in the subject line ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wilde77 at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 04:54:54 1998 From: wilde77 at xxx.com (r. h.) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:54:54 PST Subject: Sinister: crackbabies Message-ID: <19981209045455.23649.qmail@hotmail.com> crackbabies, guess who's packing up and bringing in the new year in new york. me:). so all of you with women that you'd like to keep, you better hide'm because the man who taught barry white everything he knows about sweeping a girl off her feet is a'comin' to town. actually, i can't lie. barry didn't teach me anything, my daddy did, and that's not saying to much seeing as how he's still a virgin. but first things first, i have to go check out this whole belle and sebastian video thing saturday in athens. anyone know any details like is it only list members? or are they letting anyone do it? and will it require me to wear a diaper(i rash easily)? bye, oh wait, shout outs: to megan for a great tape and denise: i didn't talk about shit aren't you proud of me? oh and all my dead hommies of course. robbie ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pulpbot at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 05:16:19 1998 From: Pulpbot at xxx.com (Pulpbot at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:16:19 EST Subject: Sinister: my friend, as lonely as a highway Message-ID: the holiday travel season is upon us, and lonesome cowboy Bill crushes the mistletoe 'twixt his spurs, the mercury from the faded daguerrotype of his beloved photoJenny seeping through his skin and tugging him toward sleep. Yes, friends, the tumbleweed of 'ol England beats a quiet path; the dainty heather of the Scottish moors dances in the rough winds, alone; the craggy hilltops of Wales contemplate eternity; oh hell, it just bites to travel alone. My pal Eran, his parole officer finally confident that he can be trusted without a tracking device, is visiting London. Of course, no one wants to lounge the days away on their own, and he is so very terrific a guy (funny, smart, has a freakishly large record collection, is willing to chip in for abortions), and so I am confident that the London listees will make like the baby Jesus and share and share alike. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Wed Dec 9 08:28:18 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:28:18 -0800 Subject: Sinister: known throughout the skool for being strange Message-ID: <003801be234d$e115aa60$2511020a@rebelstrange> oooh.....thanks for the laugh returned, you kool daddyo Mark C., it makes it all worthwhile.....my personal favorite bit that i made up (yes i'm sad and sorry, i make myself laugh) was either "Knees of Sex not available in TX, UT, or Delawaare" or "Banned for Vulgarity in the Czech Republic!!" and i am pretty proud of myself for making stuart m and Sarah look so cute, and for making stuart david look remotely recognizable. *************** just thought i'd better post and tell you all that the scumbags at the aforementioned magazine have a rather large centre page spread of Belle & Sebastian in this weeks (cover date 12th December) issue. They're trying to palm it off as an interview, however it's just a collabaoration of old articles etc. oh, and they've put Stuart M and Isobel on the front cover. without asking the band. but i'm not annoyed, really. ************* AAAAAAAAHHHHH *jumps up and down, throws down lollipop in fit of anger* iwanna iwanna iwanna!!! no really, stu and isobel would NEVer be on the cover of a big time magazine here,i'm so jealous of you brits and all your snazzy belle and sebastian articles, i'll pay someone for a copy of that, really i will......... something i received last week in my inbox: *** Wow. I hope you don't mind me saying this, but you really need a good shag. **** i wont' embarrass the scraggly rake what sent it, but it's all in fun really, at least he knew what he was getting into, haha. it's just to prove that if there's one thing a red-blooded, manly male can't resist, it's the temptation to "convert the lesbian". an urge so primal, so imbedded in our genes and linked to the reflex of the ancestral vagus nerve, that it's been observed in creatures such as the lion tamarin, our cousin the bonobo, and even the blue-footed booby. Actually, the bloke was right, i must *sigh* admit, but i'll probably remain in need for some time as the individual i'd probably request a shag with would be totally and utterly unavailable. i'm not THAT desperate! lyric related q's: in IKWTSG(!!try that on for size you anagram-mad fools!!), stuart writes of putting your head down, and your thumbs up, and the smell of hot desk. is it just me or is he talking about playing Seven-up?? i didn't know they had Seven-up in britain. does anyone konw what i'm talking about? or is it common knowledge. that game was so frightening and thrilling in a way, it was alwyas a way to pick on the peoplle you most fancied, without really being found out if you wanted. i was so good at it, i could cop a poker face like no one alive, i hardly ever got guessed. of course i hardly ever got picked, c'est la vie. i saw a news program that had a view from a school room, the little kids and the desks and the teacher in front, and i was almost nostalgic to enter that world again, to study it and the relationships of the strange children, and the whole world that it becomes in itself, a microcosm. i dotn' know why i would feel that way cos when i was in school i hated it and myself with an equal measure of acid disgust. so instead of thinking about it i'll probably just go and listen to "expectations" again, it's all the intrigue without the blunt trauma and suicidal urges. in my gullet: pepperidge farms Chessmen cookies in the cracks between the keys of my keyboard: crumbs from pepperidge farms chessmen cookies lesleyjo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From erinlew at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 06:51:14 1998 From: erinlew at xxx.com (Miss Erin Nicole Lewis) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 22:51:14 PST Subject: Sinister: Hello Operator Message-ID: <19981209065116.17748.qmail@hotmail.com> Hey kids! For those of you who are wondering, I am not dead, but I have disappeared. The past 3+ weeks, I have been roadtripping with and entertaining my Australian boyfriend, and we are having a fabulous time. This weekend in Los Angeles we saw a Picasso exhibit (probably the best $12 I ever spent) and Mark Eitzel play the best music he's ever written (all unreleased, natch). We missed Rufus Wainwright because a certain person is underage (please e-mail privately if you went and it stunk - it will make my day). We also went to Aron's Records today, where we found 8 copies of Teejammers on CD, and 4 on LP (CD price: $7.99). They also deliver, and you can order from the Internet. So for those of you in the U.S. who live in small towns and feel like losers, worry no more! Try either www.aronsrecords.com or call them at (213) 469-4700. They promise their delivery is prompt, too. This week has been reserved for finishing up mix tapes. I think I've gotten just about everybody, but if you fear I've forgotten you, don't hesitate to send me a reminder (Ezra - I've got you covered). Even when I'm on the road, I still check my e-mail (but I delete my Sinister digests). Actually, I must confess I went to the archives to look up a mention of my name (oooh, how vain, I know), and it gave me 175 entries for one month. I only found two that my name was actually in. :( Honey, is there something wrong with the search engine? Or is there a larger word like "wondering" that the word "erin" is in that is confusing the search engine? Hmmm.... At the Mark Eitzel show, Simon leaned over to me and said, "Isn't that your t-shirt?" Sure enough, he spotted a Study-at-Stow. I went over to talk to said shirt-wearer, and he admitted that he was once on the list, but had unsubscribed. So I almost met one of my own. :( I miss you all, and I hope you're having a wonderful holiday season. Keep snug and warm (except Ben, Sez, and the others lucky enough to be in Oz right now - GRRRRR), eat lots of yummy food, and watch loads of bad TV. And any of you who love me and are feeling bored, feel free to send me a mix tape for my three-day drive to Missouri. HINT, HINT. Love, Miss Erin P.S. Thanks to whoever voted for MysteryDate as his/her list crush! ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alex at xxx.nl Wed Dec 9 07:00:35 1998 From: alex at xxx.nl (alex tobin) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:00:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: lefty musos Message-ID: <366E2012.2464447B@tobin.demon.nl> to all not in the know, sarah (aka sez - one of those aussies in old london town) has previously assured me that she plays a 'mean tambourine'. knowing her, me writing this results in what amounts to an outing of sorts... but pop the question and she'll be more than willing to admit, i hope. but for the real reason... it was really nice to finally meet a few of you this past week in london (mr. trousers, pam, mike, and... hehe... 'hoppo'). too bad our car was stolen the day i got back... ah, life... (not the desree song, mind!). oh - and i'm left-handed, but alas only a left-handed vocalist (i.e. mic in left, pint in right), so does that count? eh?!! -funksoulbrother ----------------------------------------------------------- alex tobin pater romboutslaan 14 6419 be heerlen the netherlands phone +31.45.5711883 fax +31.46.443.3937 mobile +31.6.50603533 e-mail alex at tobin.demon.nl webpage http://www.tobin.demon.nl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: alex.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 341 bytes Desc: Card for alex tobin URL: From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 07:09:18 1998 From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:09:18 EST Subject: Sinister: Musicians Message-ID: <7659404f.366e221e@aol.com> Aren't we all? I play guitar, bass, piano, drums, etc.. everything but reeds. Asthma limits me in that area. three music projects: The Now- T.Rex meets Lennon meets Fairprt Convention. We even recorded a tune for a T.Rex tribute. Boley's the king. We have one CD/cassette out. and some compilation tracks scattered about. Goo -- experimental krautrock. Sort of Can meets Kraftwerk meets Sun Ra. Just a CD comp track so far. Castle Broadway-- experimental new music in ambient jazz and classical vein. Eno meets Philip Glass meets Between/Third Ear Band. One CD and one 7" 4 song ep out this year. Pete +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenny at xxx.uk Wed Dec 9 09:02:52 1998 From: kenny at xxx.uk (Jake) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:02:52 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Modern Rock Song Message-ID: <199812090917.JAA17311@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> Hi there, I'M HERE NOW!!! Unless I've skipped through it on the digests, i haven't seen anyone passing judgement on Sarah's effort for the Video of "Why do Modern Socks Pong?". Did everyone miss it on MTV?, the people that I've spoken to who have seen it had mixed opinions, but those whose opions i trust more think its a bit pants, oh and how good were Snow Patrol?. I can't wait for the video of Dirty Dream #2, being done by a professional video maker! What next B&S leaving Jeepster and signing a 5 album deal with V2 or maybe even Sony? Having had my fix of new B&S tracks, I'm already on the search for some more. This is just a request for a copy of Lord Antony, I'll trade tapes, or cover the cost of the tape and postage, or whatever, even from america. Please?!?!?!?! Seeya jake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elephantstone at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 11:09:36 1998 From: elephantstone at xxx.com (Rob ASH) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 03:09:36 PST Subject: Sinister: you've got to have a dream or how you gonna have a dream come true Message-ID: <19981209110937.8624.qmail@hotmail.com> Its been ages since I've had some really good dreams. I don't know whats happened but over the past coupla months my dreams have been about nothing in particular, I don't even get those 'paranoia' ones where I'm being chased by loads of angry angry people. About a year ago I couldn't wait to get to sleep at night 'cause I knew I would have the most weirdiest and most fantastical dreams. Once I dreamt that I was in a room in the houses of parliament and that it was totally filled with water and there were lots of shiny golden goldfishes swimming about, after getting to know the goldfish I suddenly noticed that the Stone Roses were in the same room, we all started chatting and then decided to do that kinda fish dance where you keep opening your mouth like a goldfish and pretend that youre doing breaststroke down the local swimming baths. Another night I dreamt I was in the Sex Pistols and that it was me who replaced Glenn Matlock. I didn't really last that long though cause my personal hygiene habits were not of a low enough standard, the band then decided to replace me with Sid who was quite a nice chap really, Sid was a bit worried that I'd be pissed off with him for taking my place but we soon sorted it all out and became good mates. I wouldn't mind a dream about Belle and Sebastian, in fact I wouldn't mind any kind of dreams cause the ones I've been having lately have been so lame that I can't even remember them while i'm in 'em let alone when I wake up. Well, I'm off now to my local newsagents to take a butchers at the music papers, maybe I'll surprise the shop owner by actually buying something instead of treating their shop like its some kinda library. lots of love from the rambling rob xxxx ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From michaela.clarke at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 11:07:08 1998 From: michaela.clarke at xxx.com (Michaela Clarke +44 (131) 343 5810) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:07:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: Quvestions Quvestions? Message-ID: <6208071109121998/A49782/MULL/11CC4AC70700*@MHS> hello there my pretties, how are you all this fine morning, I've just made myself 2 and 1/2 hours late for work 'cos I had to wait for the nice men from TRANSCO to fit me a gas supply, while I made them tea and moaned about privatisation. Bah! Humbug! Now it just may be possible that someone here can help me understand one of my life's great mysteries which is What ever happened to that greatest of all music magazines "Sun, Zoom Spark"??? Here we all are moaning about how crap music magazines are and yet we let this little gem slip away, all I remember was that it went of the states with a cry of "see you again soon" and I never saw it again, *sob*. Will my ranks of well thumbed back copies never have any more brothers and sisters?? Oh and another thing does anyone here know of any Edinburgh Bands in need of a Tenor Sax player, pref one with nice people who won't scare an insecure soul? ta muchly for your kind attention K'la and the Horse +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keith at xxx.uk Wed Dec 9 12:40:28 1998 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:40:28 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Meoldy Maker Message-ID: <000001be2371$1a0bcc50$4e0129c2@sun.QSS> Cor, Belle and Sebastian article in Melody Maker, interesting stuff so it is... What I've ascertained is that if the band weren't involved in this then they've got a pretty good mole letting them know fairly accurate information. Take this for example - this is a piece written by Mr. Peter Miller about a year ago... (and starring Peter Miller, and Mr. Murdoch) <> However, recently after that Stuart said the story was slightly different in that he said: nah it wasn't that, it was "Are you a cat band or a dog band?" And to my knowledge I've never told anyone else that apart from Peter (I just searched for it in the archives, so I didn't post it to the list), and this little anecdote appears in this weeks Melody Maker article, so there's someone who knows them quite well letting on to Melody Maker! Come on! Own up, who's the cowardly snivelling little mole! Naughty Naughty (as Mr.C would've said). That just reminded me, as this week's Harry Hill just began with a bit where the bloke is in Jersey and introduces the programme as "Coming from the Channel Islands, home of the cowardly collaborators with Hitler's Germany". Which had me laughing. Also, in that Harry Hill, Burt Kwouk announces he's Irish, and for that he's happy, as he's a big fan of the troubles - but then they work out that he actually means, the Wombles. Cheers, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fyang at xxx.ca Wed Dec 9 14:11:03 1998 From: fyang at xxx.ca (Frank Yang) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:11:03 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Ramblin' on my mind... Message-ID: <366E84F7.92F73CE3@itl.ca> Hullo list Just throwing in my two cents on a variety of topics (which should end up costing me around $0.12, but what can you do). Anxiously awaiting the new EP... drive faster, Canada Post! Of course, I'll be tripping over it in every music store I go into now, and will be tortured by the fact that I shouldn't buy it since I've ordered a copy... Actually, I'm keener on getting my Sinister t-shirt... Do you have to create music to be a musician? I'm a pretty decent guitarist (also really bad drums/keys) with no creative outlets at the moment (read: no band), so I end up spending most of my time making weird skronky noises with my guitars. I do plan on getting a drum machine soon, though, which I'm hoping will help squeeze my creative juices... Sadly, I'm right-handed, but I'm also right-brained, which should count for something. Music I'd like to create would be a weird mix of B&S folk-pop, alt.country, classic Beatle-pop and Brit-indie-shoegazer drone. I think that'd sound pretty cool, but finding like-minded individuals has been kinda tough. Brushes with pop stardom? Well, this may not mean much to anyone without a Canadian passport, but I once ran into Hayden in a music store and he was buying a guitar amp that I sorta wanted. It's probably for the best, 'cause a) he had the money for it, and b) I think he'd do more with it than make skronky guitar noises. I've also ran into the Watchmen (Canucks again) at an East Side Marios and walked past Heather Nova (mmm...) in downtown Toronto. This was only a couple of blocks from where she was playing that night, so I don't know if that really counts as a surprise run-in. Boy With The Sex Device was chosen as second best album of the year by the arts editor of my unversity newspaper, but I think he was just trying to be as cool as me... :) Pop as a movement? I'm very suspicious of any band that tries to identify themselves with a media-created scene... I can't remember who it was, but I remember one American cock-rock band saying, "yeah, we're a grunge band..." Alarm, alarm! I like music that makes me happy, and most of it tends to be hyphenated pop. Y'know -pop. I prefer to think of the descriptive as just that - a description, not a manifesto or a movement or nothin'. Jus' good tunes, man. Anyways, I think that's enough rambling for now. Cheers. -- Frank Yang "If celebrities didn't want people pawing through their garbage and saying they're gay, they shouldn't have tried to express themselves creatively." In my CD player: Dubstar - Goodbye +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From GaoBest at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 06:55:03 1998 From: GaoBest at xxx.com (GaoBest at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:55:03 EST Subject: Sinister: Lady P's fill-in-the-blanks Message-ID: <816738df.366e1ec7@aol.com> In a message dated 12/8/98 12:38:47 PM, fourboysinourcorduroys at yahoo.com wrote: <> b: the 17th of december (kentish town forum) - YOU SHOULD ALL GO, St Et are always fantastic in concert! That night I won't be at that show, instead I'll probably be seeing Daniel Johnston in concert :-) c: bill includes Underworld (swoon!) and it takes place at Ally Pally. i'm really looking forward to it! incidentally i will be in bruxelles from feb 14 to 18, and london from feb 18 and 19 - is there any chance at all that B&S will be able to play Upstairs at the Garage or Ronnie Scott's on either night that I'm in London, or that they can play at Orange Botanique in Bruxelles (GORGEOUS venue - really lovely!) i realize this sounds very self-serving, but keep in mind that many other B&S fans in London and/or Bruxelles would highly benefit from this as well. also hopefully i'll have a DAT by then so i can do some practicing. even though i should have my "TIJAMRS" ep playing non-stop in my cdplayer, instead i've had Catherine Wheel's Adam & Eve playing constantly. is anyone else facing this situation? ciao mike +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fourboysinourcorduroys at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 09:27:59 1998 From: fourboysinourcorduroys at xxx.com (Lady Penelope) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:27:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: xfm Message-ID: <19981209092759.18318.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> erm, i had planned to twiddle my knob so that terry wogan on radio 2 would wake me up in the mornings because i found that sports news wench on xfm was too much to deal with in the AM....however, i am *so* glad i didn't because at 0708hrs "slow graffitti" woke me from a sound deep sleep and put me in a good mood for the day. if only every morning could start out so lovely. padraic. _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cleonard at xxx.COM Wed Dec 9 11:56:49 1998 From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:56:49 -0000 Subject: Sinister: "Poetry is Pish!!!" Says OUTRAGED Struan Mugdock Message-ID: I've got the melody maker in front of me. It's a great photo of Stuart and Isobel, but it looks a bit like Isobel is having a shot on Stuart's arse. She certainly looks like she's up to something. This is the biggest picture I've seen of the pair of them, I think I'll sneak into John Menzies and rip off loads of front pages and meticulously cut them all out. Then I can stick huge Stuart's and Isobar's all over Glasgow and confuse the rest of the band. 'Alright Stuart and Isobel!' they'll say, but it's not really them, it's one of my cut-outs. There's the article in the middle which our Pam Berry gets quoted in, but no mention of Timmy Hopkins who I remember was interviewed at the Nottingham gig. I haven't read it properly yet, so he might be. There's another photo on the inside, with some dogs. So there you go. I keep looking at the cover. Later on in the same issue the single gets totally slated by Everett True. Melody Maker is awfully shite. But it's a nice photo on the cover. HoneyPaul has gone into hiding and I fear for the future. Everybody should send him a nice letter, like in pantomimes when the fairy is sad and you've got to shout "CHEER UP" until the fairy is happy. Talk to your babies honey, we need you. christopher +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From AEvans at xxx.uk Wed Dec 9 10:05:11 1998 From: AEvans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:05:11 -0000 Subject: Sinister: MTV Alert Message-ID: <25CC9C11BD12D111BA5500805F8B63691C7CD5@COR-EXG1> Sorry if this has already been said this morning, but I'm only lowly digest scum. Katrina Wrote : ~~ well, you'll be happy to know that they actually play "the plate that is great" on each of the "up for it" shows during the week, which i think is tonight and tomorrow night, so, providing you actually check your e-mail in time you may be able to watch it! they don't play it all, but at least you'll see about 4 out of 7mins + 9secs worth. ~~ Ah but you didn't tell us that String bean Jean was going to be on the Beebs Holiday programme last night did you ? Sue the pants off 'em girl. ~~ i can't wait to get on that plane ... *sigh* ... ~~ You realise that all 800+ of us expect a postcard ? The Guru of the Settee. (My one and only B&S mishearing). +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Wed Dec 9 11:01:35 1998 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:01:35 +0000 Subject: Sinister: B&S front cover etc. Message-ID: <366E588F.82F75320@jeepster.co.uk> and lastly, i just want to make it clear that the things i have said on the list regarding the shot of isobel + stuart and the cover of this weeks m***** m**** are my personal views and are not necessarily the views of jeepster records. thank you! Katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london, w10 5bn, uk phone - 0181 964 9432, fax - 0181 964 8600 http://www.jeepster.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Wed Dec 9 10:29:16 1998 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:29:16 +0000 Subject: Sinister: known throughout the skool for being strange References: <003801be234d$e115aa60$2511020a@rebelstrange> Message-ID: <366E50FC.41AF1342@jeepster.co.uk> back again, Lesley J. Miller wrote: > AAAAAAAAHHHHH *jumps up and down, throws down lollipop in fit of anger* > iwanna iwanna iwanna!!! no really, stu and isobel would NEVer be on the > cover of a big time magazine here and we all know that that's because they don't want to be on front covers. stuart doesn't want his photo in the magazines. that's why i'm so peeved. i've had the conversation a million times before, but surely, if an artist says no to something then the journo's should respect their wishes? of course not ... i'm just living in a moral fantasy world. (one day left ... thank god.) Katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london, w10 5bn, uk phone - 0181 964 9432, fax - 0181 964 8600 http://www.jeepster.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Chi.M.Lee at xxx.gov Wed Dec 9 14:11:00 1998 From: Chi.M.Lee at xxx.gov (Chi.M.Lee at xxx.gov) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 9:11:00 -0500 Subject: Sinister: youth movements and stuff Message-ID: >JJ - are you serious? Is there really an EP somewhere in the world that >sells for $1.97? If you could pick up a copy for me, I'd be happy to pay >you once I get to Ann Arbor (or make you a tape, whatever you'd like). Actually, I think JJ meant 1.97 in UK pounds, which would equal roughly 3.30 in US dollars. Still, not bad eh? Chi M. Lee +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From reid.dossinger at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 14:13:15 1998 From: reid.dossinger at xxx.com (Reid Dossinger) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:13:15 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Because he liked the sound of it Message-ID: <366E8579.75496D13@bigfoot.com> Oh, how happy am I? Damn happy. I'm walking past Two Way Pull records here in Chapel Hill yesterday, fully expecting that they wouldn't yet have their copies of TIGGERJAMMIES in, and what have they written on their "lo-fi marketing" chalkboard? This: "New Belle and Sebastian EP in...Yay!" Well, yay indeed! So I broke down their door (it was unlocked, but I like the drama) and demanded that they sell me one. And they had about 20 copies of it, 10 on CD, 10 on vinyl! This is about the best import service I've ever seen. I'm so impressed. Of course, now I'm going to have two copies when my copy from Jeepster arrives in the mail. But that's okay...one can live in my car the other can live in my bedroom, and when I find suitable parents for one of them, I'll gladly give it up. And speaking of cars, I've noticed that Modern Rock Song especially sounds so much better in my car. I don't know what it is, but as I was listening to it on the way home yesterday, I was beaming from ear to ear. Then when I listened to it in my bedroom last night, I still loved it, but it didn't have the same effect. "First listen effect" I figured. But then when I listened to it again this morning, I was whisked back to the heady, wonderful days of, um, yesterday. Anyway, Modern Rock Song=stunning. I still think that it has even more potential (if you can believe that), but it does sound phenomenal. Does Stuarts voice sound a little weird to anyone? Stevie's voice sounds phenomenal. My favorite part is when he starts singing. ...Where the Summer goes: great melody. It's going to get stuck in my head a billion times over the course of the next few months. Some of Stuart's best lyrics in a long time, too. I'll have to listen to it a few more times to pick up the nuances. I don't mind The Gate so much. I guess it's one of those things where I can see both sides. I think it's a nice song, with a catchy melody and good arrangement, etc. But so far, there's not much that makes me want to go back to it over and over. Maybe I'm just writing this all a bit prematurely. Slow Graffiti is still one of my all-time favorites. The horns sound fantastic, and I love the way Stuart tweaked the vocal melody. One thing I'd like to point out to see if anyone's noticed is that just after the line "take whatever's coming to you, boy", it sounds like Stevie lets out these two extra "boy"'s. Someone tell me I'm not crazy, please. To answer a question about musicians, I am one. Drummer first, guitarist, songwriter. It takes me for fucking ever to write a song. I'm possibly the slowest songwriter in the world. It sounds like what you think it'd sound like: someone who's into B&S, Rufus Wainwright and Grenadine. ~~Reid +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Chi.M.Lee at xxx.gov Wed Dec 9 14:04:00 1998 From: Chi.M.Lee at xxx.gov (Chi.M.Lee at xxx.gov) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 9:04:00 -0500 Subject: Sinister: musical suggestion Message-ID: >First, if you haven't already, run out and buy a Prefab Sprout record. >_Steve McQueen_ is a bit moody, while _Jordan: The Comeback_ is brighter >in mood and is almost like a series of intertwining concept-EPs. Yes! Someone finally mentions Prefab Sprout! I'd also suggest the Sprouts' Protest Songs, which was only released in the UK on Kitchenware records. It's not as good as the previously mentioned records but has several great pop songs, one of which is Life of Surprises. Also, the US release of Steve McQueen was re-titled Two Wheels Good (I have no idea why?), and it's still one of my all time favourites (it's up there with the Smiths' The Queen is Dead, MBV's Loveless, and the Tindersticks first album). The best song on this record has to be Bonny, which is a haunting "killing me softly" ode to a dead lover. This song continues to bring chills up my spine whenever I hear it. So there, go out and buy Prefab Sprout! Chi M. Lee +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mb00EN at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 15:53:57 1998 From: Mb00EN at xxx.com (Mb00EN at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:53:57 EST Subject: Sinister: musicians Message-ID: <6a421d8f.366e9d15@aol.com> re- musicians I can play the geetar (quite well) and various other instruments (quite bad), but i've never thought of my self as a musician, and i never will until its stamped on my passport. I've given myself until march to make some sort of living out of my love for rocknroll, i want to idle my time away in cafes too, or is that pubs. I've just joined a new band, unfortunately the singer thinks he's Jarvis Cocker, and he wants me to play like Jonny Marr, i only do Joe Santiago i told him. It's only a matter of time before i'm out on my ear again. You have to take what you can get when you live in a cultural black hole, *sigh*. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Wed Dec 9 16:16:13 1998 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (WeeJay) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:16:13 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Take whatever's coming to you boy, boy, boy! Message-ID: <199812091610.QAA10223@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Sorry for being a miserable young trout but I don't get Harry Hill at all. Appologies if I've offended anyone. Anyway, I'll keep this short as I've got the flu and I want to go home and lie down and sniff forlornly. Reid beat me too it by exclaiming: > Slow Graffiti is still one of my all-time favorites. The horns sound > fantastic, and I love the way Stuart tweaked the vocal melody. > One thing > I'd like to point out to see if anyone's noticed is that just after the > line "take whatever's coming to you, boy", it sounds like Stevie > lets out > these two extra "boy"'s. Someone tell me I'm not crazy, please. Yes, I'm backing you up on this one, except I don't think it's two extra 'boy's but instead a strange, admittedly vocal, noise. I heard it on my Beat Patrol tape but I assumed it was (a) a fault in the tape or more likely (b) a problem in the mix that would be sorted out when it was released. Seems it's just another weird quirk though. I'll ask Struan next time I bump into him. Or maybe not. Oh, and I mailed the 120 mins thing (despite being in the Uk and not even having a proper TV) and today I got this back: From: MINUTES120 at xxx.com Date sent: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:32:43 EST To: V0168JE2 at solent.ac.uk Subject: Re: Play Belle and Sebastian > how many times are you going to send the same e-mail? We did play it. I think we may have rubbed them up the wrong way... One more notch on the, um, thing with notches in then. Oooh, something just arrived. I wonder what it is? > I've just joined a new band, unfortunately the singer thinks he's > Jarvis Cocker, and he wants me to play like Jonny Marr, i only do > Joe Santiago i told him. It's only a matter of time before i'm out > on my ear again. Humph, humph and humph again! There is nothing wrong with thinking you're Jarvis youngsonnyjim. I've made a career of it these past few years. Speaking of which , I'm trying to get a band together sort of. There's me and a couple of people who could be / are in it though they don't know that yet. We're going to be called 'Zazie dans le metro'. If you've recognised the reference, well done, have a pepperidge farms Chessmen cookie, whatever that is. And speaking of gestalt - believe me, it was mentioned briefly a while back - has anyone noticed that Tag and Keith always have the same views? Has anyone seen them in the same place? I smell a conspiracy *scared* WeeJay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx James at twopounds.u-net.com Go on, what are you frightened of? (and remember - stick it in sideways) http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/ (Which will no longer crash your computer. Hopefully.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From janine at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 16:42:33 1998 From: janine at xxx.com (Janine Papp) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:42:33 -0500 Subject: Sinister: musician, shmusician Message-ID: first off, i just want to tell the world (well at least the list) that lorraine is an amazing musician. she has the voice of an angel, you've never heard anything like it. it's amazing. (ok lorraine stop blushing now.) I'm a musician too. i play bass, guitar, and i sing. (shamless plug: my band is playing next wed. 12/16 at brownies in nyc, we're called walk proudly, please please please come see us if you can) and i'm also trying to start a little side project with my beefriend called Apiary (that would be a place where bees are kept.) brad and i talked about starting a band with each other even though we've never met. but i heard his tape. he's real good too. don't let his swaggering fool you, he makes sensitive pop songs like s.merritt. (ok brad stop banging your head against the wall now) and xavier, I heard a tape of his band, clock strikes thirteen. they're really good also. what a talented bunch of people you are. ok I am typing badly today because I had a splinter in my finger and it's got a band-aid on it now and it's impairing my typing and possibly my reasoning skills as well. and my sense of humor. bah. hey I had egyptian food last night and it was swell. we got to smoke tobacco out of a huge three foot tall hookah and I knocked it over and almost started a fire. doh! queen bee janine +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ggy3swm4 at xxx.uk Wed Dec 9 16:38:21 1998 From: ggy3swm4 at xxx.uk (Dr Nick Morton) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:38:21 +0000 Subject: Sinister: the Gate Message-ID: <7EE217138A@novell2.bham.ac.uk> I'm sorry, how could anyone possibly NOT love 'The Gate'? Just listen to that beautifully rolling chorus, ahhhh, 'tis adorable. And lyrically just as pretty too. As someone remarked disparagingly (although a higher compliment is hard to imagine) Isobel's vocals are very Heavenly/Talulah Gosh: but I'm a sucker for that so I'm probably biased. ... in fact, come to think about it, it's SUCH a cool song, it could almost be from 'Le Jardin de Heavenly' or 'Heavenly vs. Satan'. Yes, THAT good :) Nick (p.s. though having said all that 'I Know Where the Summer Goes' is of course even better.... :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And the sad part is..... You do my world the world of good e-mail: ggy3swm4 at novell2.bham.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alex at xxx.nl Wed Dec 9 17:02:43 1998 From: alex at xxx.nl (alex tobin) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:02:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: timmy hopkins Message-ID: <366EAD33.5B9F0CD6@tobin.demon.nl> chris leonard! so little timmy wasn't quoted in the new m.m.? well, come on now! lil' tim had his five minutes of fame in q, didn't he? and we all know how chuffed he was 'bout that one! hehe... funksoulbrother -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: alex.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 341 bytes Desc: Card for alex tobin URL: From lorelei_27 at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 17:12:48 1998 From: lorelei_27 at xxx.com (lorelei tremelor) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:12:48 PST Subject: Sinister: musician, shmusician Message-ID: <19981209171249.10080.qmail@hotmail.com> >first off, i just want to tell the world (well at least the list) that >lorraine is an amazing musician. she has the voice of an angel, you've >never heard anything like it. it's amazing. > >(ok lorraine stop blushing now.) egads! the sweetest bee in the world! well, i'll have to be cheesy and reply that janine is a *wonderful* musician. i've seen her in two different bands as well as solo, all alone on stage. she's got such great indie rock star potential. she sings, plays guitar, plays bass, does it all... she and our friend zef also have this great song called "Spontaneous Combustion...It Could Happen to You." and hey xavier! kudos to Clock Strikes Thirteen again. i saw them play in brooklyn this year and they were brill. - lorraine, stop gushing now. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 17:21:05 1998 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:21:05 -0800 Subject: Sinister: musical suggestion (related) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981209092105.02f0d3e0@mail.hooked.net> Anyone care for "Grapes of Wrath" from Canada in the mid 80's? A little more folksy than the Housemartins, but similarities exist. Maybe it's a little bit of the harmonizations, not the song speeds. I'd recommend "Treehouse", I guess. Quite poppy in a small town kinda way... somehow I associate them with Prefab Sprout in my mind, even if they don't sound alike. Must be the time period. Two other Canadian bands I found interesting from similar times: 1. Martha and the Muffins (M&M) - very indie, wonderful! (1982-1987) Daniel Lanois producing effort. "Danseparc" 1982, v.innovative. 2. Propaganda - "Secret Wish". A bit of 80's electronic with fairly catchy melodies. (1982?) The most amazing of the bunch is Martha and the Muffins. They did quite a few albums and were long before their time in indieland. Funny how timing is important is making it in music. "Danseparc" has some similarities in rhythm to "Rock Lobster" of B52s fame, but obviously the band didn't fare as well. pants+/- [vulnerably noting 1980's bands] At 09:04 AM 12/9/98 -0500, Chi.M.Lee at usdoj.gov wrote: >>First, if you haven't already, run out and buy a Prefab Sprout record. >>_Steve McQueen_ is a bit moody, while _Jordan: The Comeback_ is brighter >>in mood and is almost like a series of intertwining concept-EPs. > >Yes! Someone finally mentions Prefab Sprout! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Wed Dec 9 17:28:01 1998 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 17:28:01 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Sun Zoom Spark and the uselessness of paisley newsagents... Message-ID: <366EB321.D6C31D01@student.paisley.ac.uk> Michaela asked; > "What ever happened to that greatest of all music magazines "Sun, Zoom Spark"???" Well, unless I am very much mistaken I believe the creators no longer have time as they are too busy being in Dawn of the Replicants. Off now to vainly search the shops of Paisley for Melody Maker (nowhere had it in this morning......) Hugs'n'stuff to you all.... Ailsa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keithmcl at xxx.net Wed Dec 9 18:10:55 1998 From: keithmcl at xxx.net (keith m) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:10:55 -0500 Subject: Sinister: grapes of judybats Message-ID: <366EBD2E.A54CB64E@bignet.net> chris wrote: >Anyone care for "Grapes of Wrath" from Canada in the mid >80's? >A little more folksy than the Housemartins, but >similarities exist. >Maybe it's a little bit of the harmonizations, not the >song speeds. i liked their lp they made with john leckie but i haven't many kind words for the band that they morphed into Ginger. they seem to be critics darlings especially in places like Q magazine but they are not quite the same. i love prefab sprout though and would say that the last record 'andromeda heights' is beautiful as well, especially the gorgeous 'swans'. i always considered the judybats to be the american version of prefab sprout, sadly they were completely ignored and died after four fabulous records. keith mcl thinking it would be lovely if paddy mcaloon actually released the christmas record he always threatens people with. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MWaggner at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 17:56:51 1998 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:56:51 EST Subject: Sinister: WASSAIL IN NYC - Meet Up Message-ID: <8c6f64a3.366eb9e3@aol.com> At the risk of abusing the list -- I am sneaking in a reminder : ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* This Saturday, December 12, 9:30 p.m. NYC area Sinisterines can meet up at 85 Down, 85 Avenue A (bet. 6th & 7th) in Manhattan. It's underneath Kim's Video. Anyone gazing at their shoes will be sure to see it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From his8jm at xxx.UK Wed Dec 9 16:48:30 1998 From: his8jm at xxx.UK (J. MURTAGH) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:48:30 GMT Subject: Sinister: shit ty mag (brummy accent) Message-ID: <1B6CAB72123@arts-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Weird this one. Read the first message from Katrina and seen that it was the F ing, W ing Melody Maker that she was talking about and how the B and the S were in it. Looked to my left and what do you know? Melody Maker next to me in the busy, congested Woolhouse Computer Cluster! Very strange. To conclude, nice illegal pictures, shit 'article', funny looking dogs*don't be horrible I hear you say* and I'll gaet the semtex . . . John Boy +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SErringt at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 18:11:32 1998 From: SErringt at xxx.com (SErringt at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:11:32 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Re: Want the New Single! Message-ID: <852566D5.00631DE8.00@uhura.ahh.com> Derek wrote: *Hi, * I am in the United States and every place I get my imports from *says they dont know when they will have it. I checked on a couple *places on the web and saw that the Jeepster shopping site is closed until *after Christmas. * I live outside Philadelpia has anybody else from the area found it *somewhere or on the web somewhere. You can get it on-line either thru Other Music or Secret Sounds Other Music is actually cheaper than Secret Sounds by $.50! so that's where I got mine! Someone else mentioned Amazon.com, but when I looked on there, it said it wasn't released yet, and the price was $12.99! a whole $4 more than Other Music... - Sue +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fyang at xxx.ca Wed Dec 9 18:19:50 1998 From: fyang at xxx.ca (Frank Yang) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:19:50 -0500 Subject: Sinister: musical suggestion (related) Message-ID: <366EBF46.267AE792@itl.ca> I don't think this got sent out, so I'm trying again. Apologies if it was only me who didn't get a copy sent to me... Chris Butler wrote: > Anyone care for "Grapes of Wrath" from Canada in the mid 80's? > A little more folksy than the Housemartins, but similarities exist. > Maybe it's a little bit of the harmonizations, not the song speeds. > I'd recommend "Treehouse", I guess. Quite poppy in a small town > kinda way... somehow I associate them with Prefab Sprout in my mind, > even if they don't sound alike. Must be the time period. Egads! Definitely not one of the bands from my past I'd ever expected to pop up here, of all places. Don't know if I'd equate the Grapes with the Housemartins, as Kevin Kane & co. were some of the most humourless, earnest folks to come out of Canada in years, IMO. None of the Housemartins' trademark wit. Musically, maybe there are some comparisons to be drawn, though the GOW were distinctly Beatle/Rubber Soul-ish. Had a fair bit of success in Canada before breaking up in 92 or 93. Kevin Kane went on to solo projects, and since he had the legal rights to the band name, the rest of the band became Ginger (terrible name...). The Grapes have now reformed, BTW, and are performing under the original name. Played a couple shows in Toronto this past weekend - don't know how they went over... BTW - the Grapes Of Wrath were my first concert ever. Inicidentally, that night was the first time I'd gotten stomped on by a girl (figuratively speaking...). Hmm - wonder if that's why I'm not so fond of the Grapes? Ah, memories of my youth... > Two other Canadian bands I found interesting from similar times: > 1. Martha and the Muffins (M&M) - very indie, wonderful! (1982-1987) > Daniel Lanois producing effort. "Danseparc" 1982, v.innovative. > 2. Propaganda - "Secret Wish". A bit of 80's electronic with fairly > catchy melodies. (1982?) > > The most amazing of the bunch is Martha and the Muffins. They did > quite a few albums and were long before their time in indieland. > Funny how timing is important is making it in music. "Danseparc" has > some similarities in rhythm to "Rock Lobster" of B52s fame, but > obviously the band didn't fare as well. Martha & The Muffins? I must admit, all I really knew of them was that Echo Beach song, which annoyed the piss out of me when I was little. Of course, back then if you weren't Honeymoon Suite or Platinum Blonde, you were automatically shite... I was young and impressionable, and their hair was oh-so big. How could I resist? -- Frank Yang "It's 'cause they're stupid, that's why. That's why everybody does everything." In my CD player: Spiritualized - Live At The Royal Albert Hall +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From agmuwv.044 at xxx.it Wed Dec 9 18:39:33 1998 From: agmuwv.044 at xxx.it (Marco Braca) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 19:39:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: musicians Message-ID: <366EC3E5.E7B759B4@tellnet.pesaro.ps.it> I am a musicians ,too .I play bass , drums , piano , guitar (a little) , oboe. I attended the "Rossini" academy of music in my city . I play bass and sing in a band . We are 3 and we write all the song , we started to play 5 years ago , and our music is inspired by sonic youth , deus , pavement. Buona cena , Marco#7. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mayfly8 at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 18:47:12 1998 From: mayfly8 at xxx.com (K Fraser) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:47:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: grapes of judybats Message-ID: <19981209184712.2914.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Wow, there must be more Canadians on the list than I had thought . . . a plethora of Canadian bands have been showing up in the posts. Strange! The Grapes of Wrath were a great live band . . . I saw them free a couple of times in their "heyday" Gotta love that fishing song. K _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From IndiaRubb at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 19:11:59 1998 From: IndiaRubb at xxx.com (IndiaRubb at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:11:59 EST Subject: Sinister: Inmates Working Message-ID: A mile and a half behind a Dept. of Corrections bus takes a long time, something I learned while on the way up to Chapel Hill to get the new EP this morning. Thanks to the person who posted the info about Two Way Pull having it in stock, so I guess there's, at the most, 18 copies of it left, now. Blah blah, everyone knows about it's quality, but I'll just add my name to the list of Gate Defenders...well, I think it's much better than "Is it Wicked Not to Care?" at least. gwt +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Wed Dec 9 20:02:13 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:02:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: How Long Must We Ding This Dong? Message-ID: <01be23ae$d09a3000$LocalHost@itjfvkli> There's something fishy going on: However, recently after that Stuart said the story was slightly different in that he said: nah it wasn't that, it was "Are you a cat band or a dog band?" And to my knowledge I've never told anyone else that apart from Peter (I just searched for it in the archives, so I didn't post it to the list), and this little anecdote appears in this weeks Melody Maker article, so there's someone who knows them quite well letting on to Melody Maker! wrote Keith. I'm certainly not the mole, although I'd be quite willing to be one if the price was right. I'd even be willing to make stuff up. But my bank balance is charmingly minimalist, so it wasn't me. I don't think I've spread that story around much either, mainly because it's so excruciatingly embarrassing, especially to Mister Boom and His Band. I should also point out that I don't have the honour of starring in it, I was just revelling in the misfortunes of others. I don't know how it got in Melody Maker, but I can't help wishing it wasn't there. At any rate, I'm going to send my mum down the paper shop to get me one so I can stick the cover on the wall. Keith again: Also, in that Harry Hill, Burt Kwouk announces he's Irish, and for that he's happy, as he's a big fan of the troubles - but then they work out that he actually means, the Wombles. I'm going to think about that while I'm watching the football. A big night for Turkish football, my heroes are only an hour and a bit up the road in Bilbao, I feel terribly guilty about not shelling out huge wads of cash to cheer them on. Chris Leonard wrote: HoneyPaul has gone into hiding and I fear for the future. Everybody should send him a nice letter, like in pantomimes when the fairy is sad and you've got to shout "CHEER UP" until the fairy is happy. Talk to your babies honey, we need you. Yes, come on Paul! Is it true that you've got a leaky bottle of patchouli oil in the kitchen drawer? I've listened to Jason King, it gave me quite an erection, I can tell you. David, will this be your first time with the in-laws? If so, good luck skipper. Katrina, it sounds like you need a holiday. Yes, it's very naughty of the journalists/photographers to ignore Stuart's wishes, but I for one am looking forward to the day they catch the whole band nudie sunbathing in the Seychelles. A few weeks ago I recommended a load of CDs I didn't have for Stu G's Northern Soul party. I think I've got them all now, and they're fab and groovy one and all, especially 5000 Volts of Stax. It would make a great stocking filler for Keith, as it contains an excellent version of Who Is He/She And What Is He/She To You by The Soul Children, a tender love instrumental from Isaac Hayes, Stoned Soul Picnic by The Staple Singers and many, many more. Not one stinker among them. In fact I think it may well be the perfect album which means that I'll never have to buy another. At least I hope so. Jordi has asked me to forward his review of Hefner/Cuba/Jack in Barcelona, so that'll be along in a moment. Most of you will have to send it through one of those translator thingies because it's in Spanish. As you know, Jordi's messages have strange digest cutting powers, so it's coming via me. Gary, both Ted Moult and Len Ganley are/were from round our way, they're my homies in fact. Your messages have been making me strangely nostalgic. At least the titles have. Right, I'm off now to cheer on my Turkish brethren. Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Wed Dec 9 20:04:28 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:04:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: RV: This Is From Jordi Message-ID: <01be23af$20ce6a00$LocalHost@itjfvkli> >Ayer fui al concierto de Hefner + Cuba + Jack, y un repaso podria ser el >siguiente: > > >Al llegar aproximadamente a las 20:50 (el concierto tenia que empezar a las >21:00, pero no lo hizo hasta las 21:15) me encontre solo (tal como fui al >concierto), tan solo acompanado por unas 40-50 personas. Cuando empezaron >Hefner, esta cantidad apenas habia aumentado, y me encontre en primera >fila, viendo a quien tu consideras como "Austin Powers", pero que a mi me >recuerda a Jerry, el de la serie de "Parker Lewis nunca pierde" (no se el >titulo original). De todos modos, me gustaron mucho. Buenas canciones y >buena voz. > Al cabo de un rato, me encontre con que conocia a uno de los camaras que >grababan las tres primeras canciones de cada concierto para Barcelona TV, y >me puse en primera fila, apoyado en el escenario, viendo a Cuba, que para >mi no estuvieron mal, pero cuando aparecia el cantante de color casi daban >la impresion de ser unos primos electronicos de The Lighthouse Family. Unos >metros a nuestro lado estaba Austin Powers (vamos a llamarle asi) bailando >como si hiciera "footing", una escena francamente impagable. El dia que >Hefner llenen estadios me acordare de este dia. Cuba acabaron su concierto >con el Austin Powers y sus dos comparsas en el escenario, con cinco >guitarras a la vez. > Brutal concierto el de Jack, aunque muy corto, tan solo 7 canciones. Al >estar en primera fila pude ver de cerca (no mucho, por suerte) los pies >descalzos de Anthony Edwards (el cantante se llama asi, no ?). Apenas hubo >comunicacion con el publico. Poco me podia imaginar que esa rubia que >estaba deambulando por el Bikini era la violinista del grupo. >Al final del concierto aparecieron todos los miembros de todos los grupos, >para anadirse a la ultima cancion de Jack, algunos de ellos con un sombrero >mejicano en sus cabezas (incluida la "glamourosa violinista), y el cantante >finalizo su escenificacion cantando encima de otro tipo, que creo que era >de los Cuba. > Me hice con el papel con la lista de canciones (el set-list, creo que lo >llamais) y con dos puas de guitarra que me dio uno de los encargados del >Bikini. Luego pude conseguir el Cd-Single de "Steamin?" por 400 pts. > Love from Jordi xxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SANDRAD at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 19:01:13 1998 From: SANDRAD at xxx.com (Sandra Duric) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:01:13 -0500 Subject: Sinister: grapes of judybats Message-ID: <01BE237C.62A10830@VICKYS> Hello listees, First, lots of sinister things happening my little world. I've got co-workers calling each other whores; I saw a lady sitting in reception for 3 hours, which made me curious enough to ask someone what was going on, only to be told her boyfriend was supposed to park the car and never came back for her (ouch!); it's December and people are walking around in fall jackets, some in shorts, belying the rumour that all Canadians live in igloos and lick maple syrup off snow banks (and a lot of us don't say "ay" at the end of ever sentence either!); and there is an evil little flu bug shooting us down one by one - now's the time for the Americans to make their move! But really, all I wanted to say was... All right, if we're going to talk about good Canadian music, two words: RON SEXSMITH Hoping winter never really hits, Alexandra -----Original Message----- From: K Fraser [SMTP:mayfly8 at xxx.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 1:47 PM To: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Re: Sinister: grapes of judybats Wow, there must be more Canadians on the list than I had thought . . . a plethora of Canadian bands have been showing up in the posts. Strange! The Grapes of Wrath were a great live band . . . I saw them free a couple of times in their "heyday" Gotta love that fishing song. K _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dove_volare at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 21:01:23 1998 From: dove_volare at xxx.com (yellow submarine) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:01:23 PST Subject: Sinister: struble, tattoos Message-ID: <19981209210123.9938.qmail@hotmail.com> HA, ha, Struble really has nothing to do with my post, i just couldn't think of a subject. Struble is actually what we call my cat Straw. His old nick name was Strubby, but now hes on some weird medication and is all bouncy and getting into trouble - hence struble. Eenyhow, just thought i'd write to all you baby-blue shirt wearing listees trouncing around town full of hope that someone, just one person will notice your most lov-e-ly belle and sebby garment...and gasp and comment on its beauty, or just say they love the band too. Well in mid october, a week before a b&s gig, to my surprise i actually saw someone with b&s badges fastened to their bag! So i said, "Hey! You like B&S???! Are you going to the show?!!" And the guy replys "uhhh, yeah..." and then saunters of carefully. It's not like i was overbearing or anything, and approaching him was actually quite uncharacteristic of my isolated self, but that episode has scarred me forever from approaching anyone and complementing their taste in music. poo.... and then today my friend emails me some rude message from the Liverpool Institute of something or another and it has their motto attatched. How dare they?!! As soon as i was of tattooing age i ran out and researched the piece i would like to have perminently on my body. i found a statement that...i guess summed up my feelings of life and got it slashed around my ankle. in latin no less, so nobody would understand it. then i get this post today, and a rather uncomfortably close version of my sacred tattoo is the bloody motto of this institute.... *little arrggghhhh... alright,, goodbye ----- car*i please don't spoil my day, i'm miles away and after all i'm only sleeping -j.lennon ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From csomeone at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 21:21:15 1998 From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:21:15 PST Subject: No subject Message-ID: <19981209212115.14972.qmail@hotmail.com> Reid wrote (paraphrase): I am the slowest songwriter ever, and so forth ... but at least you do write songs ... the last song I wrote was something about bluebirds, when I was nine or younger, barely sentient anyhow. Everything else since has been shite, and sounds vaguely like a song from a broadway musical, so you bet I haven't tried since the age of maybe 14. Haven't been around a while, thought I'd drop a line ... just got the tapes for the NY shows, thanks Ridd, and get chills at Turn, Turn, Turn... does it for me every time. kisskiss, Cynthia ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From susannah at xxx.net Wed Dec 9 21:25:50 1998 From: susannah at xxx.net (susannah) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 98 21:25:50 GMT Subject: Sinister: Its another true STORREEEE! Message-ID: <981209212550.n0020529.tormentor@mail.clara.net> Kids, I feel the urge to tell you that I stood in dog poo on my way home. My flatmate's not in and I have to share it with someone. It was a big soft lump placed strategically just in front of the bus stop. When I tried to surreptitiously wipe it off, I only succeeded in re-distributing it further around my shoe. Still, it could be worse, apparently when Stu was on tour he put his hand in a lump of doo-doos thinking it was a shiny conker. I hope I don't get in trouble for saying that. I went to the newsagents today for the Melody Maker seeing as they're on the front and all that. Only I had formed this picture in my mind of it being another nuddy one like the NME montage, so needless to say I was a bit disappointed. I don't know whats the story with Isobel's hair though. Someone have a word. Tag, I nominate you. I hope I don't get in trouble for saying that. It's Mick Cooke's birthday on the 15th. Nobody get him any presents. Just joking. All my love , Susannah xxxxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Wed Dec 9 21:30:20 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 21:30:20 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Alternative Nation last night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981209213020.007b6300@mail.u-net.com> Chi.M.Lee wrote: >Actually, I think JJ meant 1.97 in UK pounds, which would equal roughly >3.30 in US dollars. Still, not bad eh? Yes I did, 1.97 pounds. Did anyone watch/tape Alternative Nation last night? It was good. It had that peculiar Salako video, some great Pixies live stuff, Mercury Rev and possibly all of Modern Rock Song right at the beginning as I was trying to find a videotape to tape the programme, the bastards. Was it all of the song? I think they went to an advert break straight after it so it must have been long. It's not a very interesting video though is it. The Eels "Electro-Shock Blues" is indeed a great album whoever said that, it's beautfully arranged (with care rather than trying to be 'clever' I think) and is fairly optimistic despite being about bad things. It's been a long day JJ xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Wed Dec 9 21:15:29 1998 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:15:29 -0000 Subject: Sinister: you wake up just so you can think about going back to sleep again Message-ID: <013d01be23b9$214d7980$a343a8c2@n2f9x2> what was i saying? oh, yes, waking up to Belle and Sebastian (yes, i know it wasn't actually me saying this). my cd player is set to turn on at 7am, at high volume, soas i'll get out of bed and switch it off. only i have a remote and i've learnt how to turn it off without waking up. scuppered once. anyway, IYFS is in there, and i find that i end up spending longer and longer not getting up. scuppered twice. i'll make this my first very short post, then alix.c "So don't approach me if you've no more to say than what you've been doing, or how much you paid for the beer in your hand. I really don't care and I might have to kill you, which wouldn't be fair. On me" - Prolapse 'Killing The Bland' +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From atieger at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 00:13:32 1998 From: atieger at xxx.com (aaron tieger) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:13:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: music stuff Message-ID: <19981210001332.25888.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> 1) I too am a musician-- well, a lapsed musician. I realized recently that playing music interferes with my writing poems, which is much more important to me, so the music has sort of had to go. But even though the answer to the question "What kind of musician are you?" is "A crap one" I still consider myself one. I play guitar, and sort of sing if I need to. With my acoustic guitar, my songs tend to sound like Palace or Smog or maybe Woody Guthrie (if I'm very lucky); with my electric they tend to sound like Ida, sonic youth, the cure, X, and jawbreaker. Band experiences very bad. 2) A few digests back someone referred to bands like the Sea and Cake, Low, Rex, Idaho, and Tortoise as mathrock. And I hate to split hairs and bicker about genres, but they're not, really. They're way too mellow for math. 3) Any Candians out there aware of the bands Jughead and Spirit of the West? aaron === atieger at rocketmail.com I tossed in my quilt Angry at my own helplessness. It is easier to see Heaven Than to see you. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail, free e-mail for the planet. * Visit & explore Cybersmith at http://www.cybersmith.com * Get your web-based e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 70204923 at xxx.ca Thu Dec 10 00:42:26 1998 From: 70204923 at xxx.ca (The Wizard) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:42:26 EST Subject: Sinister: SPIRIT OF THE WEST... Message-ID: <1A27E422FDF@cs5.conestogac.on.ca> no no no no no no no no... I'd rather listen to Bryan Adams... s-e-a-n s-a-i-d p-l-a-y ___________________________________________________________________________ My ski vest has buttons like convenience store mirrors and they help me see That everything in this room right now, is a part of me +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From escossia at xxx.br Wed Dec 9 23:45:55 1998 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:45:55 -0200 Subject: Sinister: Do they know it's Xmas time ? Message-ID: <01be23ce$1008cd40$0100007f@localhost> I ordered the new Belle and Sebastian today. I am afraid i will not listen to THE GATE in Xmas time. It reminds me the last X-mas. That lovely Belle and Sebastian X-mas song Wave file. My computer "died" in july for some weeks and i LOST the file. Is there anyone here who has it ? Please, encoder it to REAL AUDIO and send me. [... or send me the wave file] I NEED this song to listen to in X-mas cause i HATE X-mas time. Susannah wrote: >I hope I don't get in trouble for saying that. >It's Mick Cooke's birthday on the 15th. Nobody get him any presents. Mick Cooke. Don't be upset with Susannah. I like you cause my birthday is on Dec.15th too. :o) Do you know who's VINICIUS DE MORAES ? Siesta Records people knows him, I think :o) I've got a Vinicius de Moraes's songbook cd. Just great covers. Renato Russo sings an amazing song called "Gente Humilde". Renato Russo was the singer of Legiao Urbana, a very famous band here, sometimes very Smiths. He died some years ago. Aids is a f***** unfair disease. There's another great song called "Insensatez". Carlos Fernando sings this song with his lovely fragile voice. He's the singer of a cool Brazilian jazz band called Nouvelle Cuisine. Well... Noone wants to know about it. Take Care Come on baby, light my FIRE !!! Ivo A P Escossia, Jazz(y) this week. Ps: OH my god, i'm broken..i need some money to send to OUR Duke for his book, i need to send some money to a guy in USA for Hopkirk and Lee's single and I need to buy some white briefs too :o) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jgj201 at xxx.edu Thu Dec 10 01:08:46 1998 From: jgj201 at xxx.edu (Jason G Juzwiak) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:08:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Counting Acts Message-ID: Hey kids, So now we have two official Isobel songs on recordings. Is it any coincidence that the phrase "counting acts" is featured in both of them? I can't for the life of me figure out what that is supposed to mean, though it obviously is pretty significant to Isobel. Am I missing something? Am I just dumb? Someone help me before I go INSANE(-r). On a lighter note, to whomever was talking about how touching "The Simpsons" can be, the episode where Bart sells his soul was just on. I think that one is, pound for pound, both the funniest and most heartbreaking episode of the lot. I have to sit really close to the television when it's on, but I can't breathe too roughly for fear of breaking the episode. In addition, it contains this classic exchange: LISA: Hmm. Pablo Neruda says that laughter is the language of the soul. BART (deadpan): I am familiar with the works of Pablo Neruda. It gets no better. Ahh well, back to studying.... Cheers Jay ---------------- "For cookies and ice cream, I can do anything!" -- Ernie, of "Sesame Street" In my tummy: Soda and white bread. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkolmar at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 01:50:11 1998 From: mkolmar at xxx.com (Mark Kolmar) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:50:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: musical suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 Chi.M.Lee at usdoj.gov wrote: I wrote: > >First, if you haven't already, run out and buy a Prefab Sprout record. > >_Steve McQueen_ is a bit moody, while _Jordan: The Comeback_ is brighter > >in mood and is almost like a series of intertwining concept-EPs. > I'd also suggest the Sprouts' Protest Songs, which was only released in > the UK on Kitchenware records. It's not as good as the previously > mentioned records but has several great pop songs, one of which is Life > of Surprises. As long as we're at it, I may as well take the chance to provide a bit more information and context. Prefab Sprout put out a 4-song EP, then an album called _Swoon_ (around '83, no overlap between then, and the EP is long-gone). The recordings are a bit rough, but fans of wordy/literary pop (B&S anyone?) should find plenty to enjoy and even to inspire them. Thomas Dolby expressed his enthusiasm for what the Sprouts were doing, and ended up producing the follow-up LP, _Steve McQueen_ (aka _Two Wheels Good_). The music is simpler in certain ways, but more richly textured and with excellent sound (relatively uncompressed too). They originally intended to issue _Protest Songs_ in '85, a few months after _Steve McQueen_, but CBS decided it would be a bad idea. It was finally issued in 1989. The raw material of _Protest Songs_ may be almost as good as _Steve McQueen_, but as I understand it, these were some songs that would not permit themselves to be re-recorded. So the album is recordings produced quickly by the band as 24-track "demos". _From Langley Park to Memphis_ is quite a mixed effort -- numerous producers, too many guests, and just plain too bland a setting for the sensitive-poet lyrics. Still contains some ace songs. Next album was _Jordan: The Comeback_, on which Thomas Dolby returned as producer. 1990. Brilliant! The story has been a little sad since. They put out 2 singles with their best-of, produced by Stephen Lipson (!). Then it seems like Paddy McAloon, the head Sprout, wasted a few years. He might well have been writing the best material of his life, except that he seemingly 2nd-guessed himself into a situation in which he had to cough up something that would primarily please Sony's lawyers and accountants. _Earth: the Story So Far_ was scrapped, at least for now. Meanwhile, as a full 7 years had passed since the previous LP, the drummer must have taken another job, and Paddy and machines could not take his place. Wendy, their backup singer, is nearly absent. Supposedly Thomas Dolby didn't want to get involved (he was reportedly enthusiastic about _Earth: the Story So Far_ though). _Andromeda Heights_ is all very pleasant, and not at all a bad album, but it is seriously flawed and somewhat lacking in personality. If the pattern holds, maybe _Earth: the Story So Far_ will be made and will be brilliant. > Also, the US release of Steve McQueen was re-titled Two Wheels Good (I > have no idea why?), For some incomprehensible reason, the estate of Steve McQueen objected to using his name to title this beautiful album. --Mark __ Burning Rome : SENSELESS CD on Mindfield Records MindCD03 Cathartium 14 > Distributed by Dutch East India Trading, Com Four, and Carrot Top < < http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome > < MP3 & RealAudio tracks > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alex at xxx.nl Thu Dec 10 06:53:59 1998 From: alex at xxx.nl (alex tobin) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:53:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: in a strange strange place Message-ID: <366F7007.51B432E@tobin.demon.nl> imagine yourself strapped into a tiny seat in the back of an airplane, waiting to fly from england's stansted airport back to the beautiful dutch city of maastricht in holland. you've finally stowed your carry-on in the much-too-small overhead compartment, the flight attendant is preparing to shell out those oh-so-delicious little peanut snacks, and they're playing something that amounts to mantovani meets the 101 strings on the plane's p.a. to soothe the passengers before take-off. sound familiar so far? thought so. now imagine the sounds of sting blaring away as he sings about legal aliens and englishmen in new york. strange, but - alright, it can happen. now imagine my face, as i'm turning the pages of my new q magazine (better than those in-flight mags, i tell ya), when what should sound out from that tape player they've got hidden somewhere between the loo and the cockpit, but - yes! - our very own belle and the boy sebastian with 'get me away from here, i'm dying'. phwaw! on a plane. klm at that. and isn't that just a trifle morbid? hmmm... so, dear sinisterites, at the risk of starting a random new thread of conversational hub-bub, i would like to know what the strangest place you have ever heard a b&s song played is. any takers? oh - and the flight attendant, who was not unattractive, didn't know where the tape came from. at least she waited till the song was over to demonstrate how to open and close my seatbelt... alex http://www.tobin.demon.nl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: alex.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 341 bytes Desc: Card for alex tobin URL: From michaela.clarke at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 08:25:03 1998 From: michaela.clarke at xxx.com (Michaela Clarke +44 (131) 343 5810) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:25:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: sun zoom spark and the dawn of the replicants Message-ID: <1203250810121998/A57358/MULL/11CC52190200*@MHS> >>> "What ever happened to that greatest of all music magazines "Sun, Zoom Spark"???" >Well, unless I am very much mistaken I believe the creators no longer >have time as they are too busy being in Dawn of the Replicants. I wasn't sure if that was all of them or just some of them. Not that I have anything against the dawn of the replicants but both times i've seen them I've had to restrain myself from shouting out something along the lines of "If you can be the best in the world at something stick to that" they are good but they'll never be the best band in the world where as Sun Zoom Spark was so much above the rest of the snotty drivel that passes for music journalism. spleen vented Thank you K'la +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jonlrich at xxx.edu Thu Dec 10 10:46:46 1998 From: jonlrich at xxx.edu (modern boy) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 05:46:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: athens 1998 In-Reply-To: <199812022150.NAA12779@macbeth.ienet.com> Message-ID: I am sorry to ask it but would the folks discussing the Athens arrangements for this coming weekend re-post or post in further detail the information surrounding this get[-]together?? many thanks jonathan in my CD player....tiny little dust mites eating away at the laser beams on my turntable...Work is a Four-Letter Word.... They cause they know they're not because what I said was LAUGH UNTOUCHABLE WRONG (47) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Thu Dec 10 11:47:41 1998 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (WeeJay) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:47:41 -0000 Subject: Sinister: STORY GAME THING, like. Message-ID: <199812101141.LAA11486@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Hey, everyone, pay attention now, I've got a great new idea which will be Fun, Fun, Fun! Have you ever played that game where everyone has a piece of paper and the first person writes the introduction to a story then passes it onto the next one who continues it and so on until it comes back to the person it started with? Well I plan to do that on a grand tape-tree esque international e-mailing scale! And what's more I'll make a nice web page for all the stories when they're finished. Now come on, don't be shy, it only means writing a paragraph every week, not much of a commitment really. And I know there are some very good writers out there, not to name any names, so come on, join in everyone! Just remember these couple of things first: 1. ALWAYS mail me at james at twopounds.u-net.com or I may well not get it until january otherwise so you'll fail 2 which is: 2. All applications in by the 20th of this month please. Well, get to me soon then. This means YOU. And in other news, I got my first hatemail today. It said, simply: > you are homosexual I'm not sure if that's meant to be an insult. I mean, I think I've probably tried to give that impression in quite a few circumstances and anyway people tend to assume that so I've got used to it. I won't reveal the mystery git but his attempt to offend has failed. Oh and did anyone see the last ever 'Drop the dead donkey' last night? I don't want to spoil it for anyone waiting for the repeat but, well, :( *sniff* WeeJay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx James at twopounds.u-net.com Go on, what are you frightened of? (and remember - stick it in sideways) http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/ (Which will no longer crash your computer. Hopefully.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From boyincorduroy at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 11:58:55 1998 From: boyincorduroy at xxx.com (Angel Gabriel) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:58:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Voting booth Message-ID: <19981210115855.20663.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Been a bit bored lately, so I thought I'd check which album was most popular in the voting booth - here are the average scores for songs on the albums ... Merci gabriel! Les scores du voting booth sont as follows: 1. Tigermilk - 7.71 2. Sinister - 7.65 3. Arab Strap - 7.62 if you count the top 10 songs on it, 7.42 if you count them all Thank you. _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Tjonrr at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 12:39:42 1998 From: Tjonrr at xxx.com (Tjonrr at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:39:42 EST Subject: Sinister: a few moments of my life Message-ID: <90418182.366fc10e@aol.com> a conversation between me and my brother, some time last week: my brother- you cant lend little naomi 'the boy with the arab strap'. me- how not? my brother- cause its... perverted ! at the time i was quite impressed at his knowledge of the lyrical content of a record he has never heard, but later i thought he was probably just getting confused with, well, arab strap. a conversation between me and my mother, around teatime last night: my mother (after a cursory glance at the cover of the melody maker)- so, which ones belle and which ones sebastian? me-......never mind. another conversation between me and my brother, this one as we waited at the bus stop in the freezing cold on monday morning: me- is that the postman who goes to our house? my brother- dunno, why? me- i was just wondering if he had a copy of the new belle and sebastian ep for me in his bag. my brother- oh. do you think he has to wear that santa hat, or is he doing it out of choice? me- dunno. my brother- do you think theres time for me to run to the shop for a bottle of barr bru before the bus comes? me- dunno. that is the extent of my B+S related conversations with my family recently. anyway, the reason i was waiting at the busstop at a time when i should have been in bed waiting for the post was to go and do my christmas shopping, which posed the question: was i looking the other way when the argos shop mutated into some bizarre bingohall/fascist police state? shopping in argos is a stressful experience at the best of times, but now there was a load of people sitting in rows of chairs, comparing the numbers on their bits of paper with the numbers coming up on the computer screens. they all looked a bit stressed out and/or confused so i was going to cheer them up by pretending like id won the bingo when it was my turn, but i couldnt remember what to shout (i remembered later, its house isnt it?) so instead i pretended i was at the stock exchange by waving my bit of paper in the air and shouting BUY! BUY! SELL! at the tv screens. for some reason this did not cheer the shoppers up but only made them more stressed out and confused. i must have been doing it wrong. bye for now, from tjohn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Thu Dec 10 13:16:16 1998 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:16:16 +0000 (BST) Subject: Sinister: The soundtrack of my life In-Reply-To: <01be230f$73bb7820$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: An ink polaroid? : Sitting on an armchair, the room is nearly empty and I should be attending some useless lecture which is not going to change anything.Sipping coffee,already cold,from my cup,while watching a pale morning rises outside. And Chet's trumpet shyly starts , nearly inaudible at first ,and step by step, an spiral is created ,it is the perfect loop of nostalgia and all is left to do when it reaches the last , brittle note, is picking up the pieces of your smashed heart. Is Chet's trumpet God's voice giving us some advice from the interstellar space? Ivo , you are maybe right... Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Thu Dec 10 14:14:01 1998 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (WeeJay) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:14:01 -0000 Subject: Sinister: STORY G T (2) In-Reply-To: <199812101141.LAA11486@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Message-ID: <199812101407.OAA29325@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Ooops, I should have explained; I don't want you to send me the opening paragraphs of your stories yet! Just say you're interested and work on the opening yourself and then on the 20th I'll mail out the rules etc. to everyone who's in. Savvy? WeeJay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx James at twopounds.u-net.com Go on, what are you frightened of? (and remember - stick it in sideways) http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/ (Which will no longer crash your computer. Hopefully.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Iangstl at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 14:25:54 1998 From: Iangstl at xxx.com (Iangstl at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:25:54 EST Subject: Sinister: Wordy Dream #1 Message-ID: Hi List, Allow me to say that I don't know what most of the band looks like and I really don't know what the lot of you look like, but as some other dreamer stated, you just know these things in dreams. So some of you are in this dream and I'm not sure why and I'm not sure if my dream of you looks like you, but you're there anyway. I must also address that I am on a lot of codeine right now as I am recovering from a bad case of bronchitis. I nodded out in my chair while listening to Miles' In a Silent Way. My first Belle and Sebastian dream and it happens in a Veterans Hall.... I'm in the hall and I look back to see David on the door taking the cash to enter this weird party/indoor fair. The place is dark, like all paneled VFW halls. There are various mock booths around and most are charging $5.00 for whatever you get to do. I see Robbie at the "Write a Song with Stevie" booth and he's arguing with Stevie about the words. Robbie wants to include "the word shit with an E on the end" and Stevie thinks that "poo" is more appropriate. There's a sign above a table with glitter letters that reads "The Duke Sells Out." On the table is a stack of books and a plastic water cooler brimming with cash. I'm about to drop my five in the cooler when I see that the book is actually "Tears are Not Enough" by Martin Frye. I take my money back and walk away grumpy. The music in the hall is awful and I look for the source. I see Tag and Wee Chris and Stuart David working on a turntable. It seems that someone only brought 45's and the table is locked on 33; so everyone sounds like The Sisters of Mercy. Katrina is selling band photos and that gets me excited so I wait in line and smile as I walk away with glossy in hand. It's a group pic and they are all wearing prison coveralls and are shackled to each other. They have black bars across their eyes and milk mustaches. Under the picture is the scary commercial slogan "Got TigerMILK?" I still think it's funny, but like Pavlov's dog, it makes me look for something to drink. I spot a table where Stuart Murdoch is filling these tiny dixie cups with some nasty red punch. He is frantically trying to fill them and not making eye contact with anyone. Just as he thinks he's poured enough, the cups vanish and he becomes more annoyed. LesleyJo is there asking him about Isobel. She is sporting some bizarre patent leather outfit under a purple cardigan. She has a riding crop in one hand and a leather collar with the word "Belle" engraved on a silver plate in the other. LesleyJo asks a frustrated Stuart "When will Isobel be back. I'm worried that without this (holds up collar) she will not find her way home." He just shakes his head and mutters "Later, mumble mumble. Later." I think all the disappearing punch is collecting in my bladder so I make a break for the bathroom. On the way I spot Honey in charge of a booth that's called "Goose the QueenMum." Brad is dressed as the QueenMum and Sarah, with videocam slung over shoulder, is in line with a fist full of dollars. I'm still debating if that's a booth to try when I reach the bathrooms. One door is marked Judy, the other Horse. At that point, my stereo remote fell out of my hand, hitting the floor, causing my kitten to leap from my chest and startle me to semi-wakefullness. I rushed, or rather stumbled as any codeine-filled person knows that stumbling is a hurried state, to the computer to make sure I captured all dream notes, as I usually do in my notebook near my bed on the rare occasion I remember my dream. Hope it doesn't frighten any of you in my dream, I'm still sorting out why I dreamed of you too. Back to the Land of Nod, dawn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fyang at xxx.ca Thu Dec 10 14:31:46 1998 From: fyang at xxx.ca (Frank Yang) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:31:46 -0500 Subject: Sinister: This Is Just A Really Good Day Message-ID: <366FDB52.B6F2E699@itl.ca> 'Allo Sinisterines: First things first - a HUGE thanks to David and Katrina at Jeepster for being so ridiculously efficient with the new EP. Here I was expecting to receive get it maybe early next year (I figured it'd be sent out on the 7th, spend a million weeks in transit, get lost in the holiday postal glut, etc.) but what was awaiting me when I got home last night but a beautifully nondescript cardboard package! Huzzah. And the t-shirt could not have been more appropriately timed as I got to put off doing laundry for another day... The EP proper - well, I'd never heard any of these songs before, so the anticipation was pretty high. And I'll admit, it didn't grab me on first listen. It was a good deal mellower than I'd expected (not that I really wanted 20 minutes of hardcore B&S...), but upon just a few more listenings, it's certainly grown on me. Hooray for new B&S. Other little tidbits that made my day - finding out the new Manics record will finally be released in North America next March... better late than never, I suppose. Getting the Januray issue of Q, with bonus CD... I cannot believe Fatboy Slim was in the Housemartins... I guess his muse was being stifled, for sure. "Right about now, the funk soul brother..." Huh huh. And Luke Perry's return to 90210 still has me on the edge of my seat. Don't do the smack, Dylan! It'll all end in tears! The CanCon (Canadian content) on this list is going through the roof! Before you know it, we'll be eligible for government funding or something. And it's not Spirit Of The West's fault that one of their songs was adopted by every drunken frat boy in every university across Canada as their anthem. They're a good band, who'd I'd rather listen to than 99% of the dreck that our country puts out right now... Death to the Tea Party... but I digress. Why film the new B&S video in Athens, GA? I think Toronto would be a much more suitable locale... we've got that big phallus - dirty dream indeed. -- Frank Yang "Don't chase Ganesh - you'll only get more wrath!" In my CD player: Pulp - This Is Hardcore +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Scott_Turner at xxx.COM Thu Dec 10 14:45:11 1998 From: Scott_Turner at xxx.COM (Scott Turner) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:45:11 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Rufus philly shoutout Message-ID: <852566D6.00507FF0.00@JHMAIL.JH.COM> I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, but i haven't been on the list for a while, but Rufus Wainwright is playing the pontiac grill on saturday at 6:30 (all ages). B&S content?- are there any good cd stores in center city now that 3rd street jazz is closed, am I just going to have to trek out to repo to pick up Modern Rock Song? Does anyone know if anywhere closer has it? .scott +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From NoelWhitey at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 14:59:19 1998 From: NoelWhitey at xxx.com (NoelWhitey at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:59:19 EST Subject: Sinister:I am going To be tourtered for 6 hours Hear Me Roar Message-ID: Hello to anyone whos reading this, Today we are going On a feild trip! to See Shakespear Cleopatra And Antony. Well Usally I love feild trips but well this ones going to suck a.) I HAVE NO CD WALKMAN!!!(WHATEVER THEY CALL THEM NOW) I was gonna bring the one from my dads to my moms but I thought we wouldn't be allowed but a kid asked the teacher and he said sure. Now Im kicking my butt all morning untill I get skin marks and can't sit down b.) Oh yes my orinal plan was to read,Yes im reading 1984 and well Reading for an Hour(That long to get there) then Sitting in silence for a 3 hour play. I feel for my butt c.) Its In berkely And St.etsiene(Know I didn't spell that right) are singing Autographs at 4!!!!! and I will be in the theater AHHHHHH d.) The theater Is about 4 Blocks from Telegraph av.!!!! the best block ever,I wish I could sneak out but im too chicken and Die of Nervousness before I got passed the second block. Ok Im done bitching :) Hey maybe I can just sleep all day -Damon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From janine at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 16:10:28 1998 From: janine at xxx.com (Janine Papp) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:10:28 -0500 Subject: Sinister: re: sun zoom spark and the dawn of the replicants Message-ID: hey I may actually have some valid insight on this topic... the guy from dawn of the replicants does a zine called dumb sulk trigger which is pretty good, and witty and funny and had some good bands featured in it like mogwai and stuff. he somehow picked up a copy of my zine, Temple of Sting, and we've been trading ever since. haven't heard from him in a while though. I think he lives in glasgow, but i'm not sure. can't remember (typical of me.) Queen Bee Janine >Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:25:03 +0000 (GMT) >From: "Michaela Clarke +44 (131) 343 5810" >Subject: Sinister: sun zoom spark and the dawn of the replicants > >>>> "What ever happened to that greatest of all music magazines "Sun, Zoom >Spark"???" > >>Well, unless I am very much mistaken I believe the creators no longer >>have time as they are too busy being in Dawn of the Replicants. > >I wasn't sure if that was all of them or just some of them. Not that I have >anything against the dawn of the replicants but both times i've seen them I've >had to restrain myself from shouting out something along the lines of "If you >can be the best in the world at something stick to that" they are good but >they'll never be the best band in the world where as Sun Zoom Spark was so >much >above the rest of the snotty drivel that passes for music journalism. > >spleen vented >Thank you > >K'la +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bkim0 at xxx.edu Thu Dec 10 15:05:10 1998 From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:05:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Modrock song in Philly?...oui! Message-ID: <199812101505.KAA46024@dept.english.upenn.edu> Scott, and other listies in Philadelphia....apparently Spaceboy Music has lots of "Modern Rock" and will get more too. They're above Zipperhead on South Street...you have to go inside Z-head and go up the stairs to get to it, but it's a great place and well-stocked with B&S and other good things (they had Felt's Absolute Classic Masterpieces Vol. 2, which is more than most stores would have I'm sure). Last time I was there I got a Damaged Goods sampler (the $5 one with thirty songs or something), 3...6...9... and a Tittybras flat with Isobel on it. They're B&S fans too, the people that run the store. That always helps! I'm going to run out and grab a copy tonight myself. I think this may be the best alternative to Repo right now. They've certainly won me over. And for everyone else, if you're ever in Philly consider my post for future record-buying reference. You won't be sorry. Xavier -- BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0 at dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ggy3swm4 at xxx.uk Thu Dec 10 16:16:55 1998 From: ggy3swm4 at xxx.uk (Dr Nick Morton) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:16:55 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Isobel Defenders then, maybe Message-ID: <968761085C@novell2.bham.ac.uk> > Blah blah, everyone knows about it's quality, > but I'll just add my name to the list of Gate Defenders...well, I > think it's much better than "Is it Wicked Not to Care?" at least. Agh! As a leading member of the Gate Defenders, this isn't what I had in mind at all... Is It Wicked Not to Care?! You're talking about the best song on TBWTAS there, matey... :) maybe I'm just deluded, I dunno... or maybe I'm just happy 'cos it's Christmas (well, nearly) and my two t-shirts arrived this morning (so now I can smile smugly in the knowledge I'm wearing my beautiful Sinister t-shirt and wishing it was warm enough to show it off to everyone else I meet and that it wasn't hidden beneath warmer layers and, still, just you wait till Spring... so on)... ah well, take care, and remember pop kids: '"The Gate" sounds like the worst aspects of every drippy cutie band rolled into one horrendous whole...' (M***** M*****) Ho ho :)! Nick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And the sad part is..... You do my world the world of good e-mail: ggy3swm4 at novell2.bham.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Thu Dec 10 16:33:48 1998 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:33:48 -0500 Subject: Sinister: B&S news that Katrina hasn't mentioned? (and other topics...) Message-ID: <366FF7EC.654C0521@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Hullo, I checked the Jeepster site to see what was updated. By chance I checked the "News" section on Jeepster rather than B&S. Here' what I found. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Belle & Sebastian they're back in the rehearsal rooms and will hopefully deliver a new album to us in the spring of next year. they're also working on a possible new ep which should precede the album. yippee! Looper the looper project has now completed their debut album which should see it's release on jeepster in early march. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I think there had been some mention of another EP after ITCHYITCHYITCHYWAPANG, (shameless Monty Python reference) but this whole new album in the spring deal is news to my ears. Logical news...but news nonetheless. No mention of the Tigermilk re-release on the webpage...hm... Oh yes, and we all knew that Looper had an album coming out on Sub-Pop, but it being on Jeepster also is news, as the first single was Sub-Pop-only. I absolutely loved Lesley Jo's B&S cartoon. I think Honey should mothball it on the list website under the Mummy look what we've made section. I wonder, though, where were Richard, Stevie & Mick (Cooke, not me of course)? Richard always seems slighted, nobody talks about him much. Well, at least he wasn't a villain... Angel Gabriel wrote: > Been a bit bored lately, so I thought I'd check which album was most > popular in the voting booth - here are the average scores for songs on > the albums ... > > Merci gabriel! Les scores du voting booth sont as follows: > > 1. Tigermilk - 7.71 > 2. Sinister - 7.65 > 3. Arab Strap - 7.62 if you count the top 10 songs on it, 7.42 if you > count them all I'm not sure if this is a valid way to measure opinion on the albums. By this measure, an EP of 4 popular songs would beat out all the albums, and I don't think anyone but a trainspotter would claim an EP as their favorite release. Personally I think Tigermilk is the weakest album, though it does reach some of the highest heights... It's also not very coherent-sounding. Both of the others don't sound like the mishmash of Tigermilk. Not to say that that affects the songs, but there is more to an album than the measure of its songs alone. It's the way they fit together, and the sheer number of them! I was so pleased to see that TWATTYBUS had 14 songs rather than 10. Lets home they keep up the lots of tracks thing. Some call me.....Mick? /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - bp224995 at ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | - Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wilde77 at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 16:47:39 1998 From: wilde77 at xxx.com (r. h.) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:47:39 PST Subject: Sinister: trippy Message-ID: <19981210164741.26003.qmail@hotmail.com> hello, o.k., i'm going on my east cost tour starting the 28th. i'll be in ny the 30th and the 1st but after that i'm going to boston and buffalo and montreal then detroit then cincinnati. oh, and the 29th i'll be in d.c. i'd love to meet as many of you as i can. it's kinda like a goal of mine now. if not, let me know what there is to do in one of these cities if you live there(personaly please). so everyone is getting there ep from jeepster already, where's mine:( i'm not to worried, i have faith in them. oh, by the way, brad recorded me hefner with his new toy he got and let me be the first to say that they have one up on belle and sebastian so far this year. but i'm sure TIGGERJAMMIES will change my mind. robbie ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Thu Dec 10 17:17:16 1998 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:17:16 +0000 (BST) Subject: Sinister: pastels in Nottingham Message-ID: Hi all you lot! The Pastels + Marine Research are playing tonight in Nottingham.If any of you is in around here and is going to turn up, try to wear something to make you distinguishable from anyone else in the crowd and I will spot you and say : HELLO! in the most affectionate fashion.No B&S t shirt I've got, (sob!)but perhaps Robin will be showing off his Study at Stow. Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From snorman at xxx.uk Thu Dec 10 17:19:00 1998 From: snorman at xxx.uk (Sam Norman) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:19:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: b&s on tv - you probably missed it though Message-ID: don't take this for gospel, a friend told me last night on the phone, that whilst he was watching bbc's holiday programme (tuesday night?) they kept on playing during relevant moments during a report from somewhere about 8 seconds of the begining of string bean jean looped. did anyone else witness this. Sam p.s. david and katrina make sure you get the royalties deserved +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From montycantsin at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 17:29:15 1998 From: montycantsin at xxx.com (gabriel piller) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:29:15 PST Subject: Sinister: sinister: hi there... Message-ID: <19981210172916.4627.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi. I just subscribed to the list a few hours ago. I'm Gabriel. Yay. I was told that there was a b and s list going so I hunted it down. (Actally I wouln't really call it hunted as such...) Anyway...maybe a little background info? Okay... I live in St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada, so no good bands come around here. Sloan came by...last month, but I don't like them much anyway. Oh well. Hmmm. I think that all i'm going to say. wishing you all the best, Gabriel Piller "An eye for an eye, a tooth of a tooth, and after all I told the truth, i'm not afraid to die"-Nick Cave ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 17:36:19 1998 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:36:19 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Geographic listing In-Reply-To: <19981210164741.26003.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981210093619.007c2330@mail.hooked.net> Anyone interested in making a geographic list of people on Sinister? It'd be nice to know where all the clusters of folks are across the world. Just need a few pages of html... Maybe Honey could host it on the Sinister website somewhere. Useful for travelling, no? Clusters I've heard mentioned: - New York - SF - Philadelphia - London - DC - Athens, GA - Boston Just a thought. Senor Droolcup At 08:47 AM 12/10/98 PST, r. h. wrote: > > > hello, > > o.k., i'm going on my east cost tour starting the 28th. i'll be in ny >the 30th and the 1st but after that i'm going to boston and buffalo and >montreal then detroit then cincinnati. oh, and the 29th i'll be in d.c. >i'd love to meet as many of you as i can. it's kinda like a goal of mine >now. if not, let me know what there is to do in one of these cities if >you live there(personaly please). > >so everyone is getting there ep from jeepster already, where's mine:( >i'm not to worried, i have faith in them. > >oh, by the way, brad recorded me hefner with his new toy he got and let >me be the first to say that they have one up on belle and sebastian so >far this year. but i'm sure TIGGERJAMMIES will change my mind. > >robbie > >______________________________________________________ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stray4f at xxx.net Thu Dec 10 16:31:31 1998 From: stray4f at xxx.net (Lance Bangs) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:31:31 -0400 Subject: Sinister: athens 1998 Message-ID: <199812101734.MAA131388@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> >I am sorry to ask it but would the folks discussing the Athens >arrangements for this coming weekend re-post or post in further detail the >information surrounding this get[-]together?? > > many thanks > > jonathan > > Hello. My name is Lance Bangs, and the band and Jeepster have commisioned me to make the music video for "dirty dream #2." We will be filming in Athens, Georgia the weekend of Saturday December 12th and Sunday the 13th. All footage will be shot during daylight hours, from 10 A.M. to dusk at 5:30 P.M. List members are invited to come be featured in the footage. THE INITIAL INVITATION Twenty-five persons are needed. The intention is that each person featured will appear in an uncut ten second segment of film which will fade to black before bringing up the next person, filling the length of the song. We may be able to provide one night of lodging to people coming from outside of the area, but unfortunately can not pay people for appearing, as this is a rather simple production. Your participation should be fun, as we are filming flattering portraits of each of you engaged in some sort of charming and surreal entanglement or escapade. You needn't look anything like the sort of people that usually appear in videos, we want you because you care about the band and are an interesting person. Awkwardness and spastic qualities a plus. Come as you are. We will be filming mostly outdoors to take advantage of the gorgeous winter light here in Athens. We will need to begin early both days, as it gets dark around 6 pm. We are shooting on motion picture film, which invariably leads to some time waiting around while setting things up, so your patience is requested. The band will not be present at the filming, but Athens is a wonderfull town to visit on it's own merit, and perhaps meeting up with other list members and fans is incentive enough. If you are interested and can commit to being in Athens on the 12th and 13th, please respond to me at this account. DETAILS: I live in a schoolhouse/gymnasium at 350 Meigs St between Finley and Pope Sts. The telephone number is 706.369.9043 I would imagine that www.yahoo.com's map function should be able to get you here from wherever. We will meet up at ten a.m. to get to know each other and discuss the options for each person's filming. If you are with a friend and would prefer, we can shoot you in pairs. If you are up for it there are some small scale stunts possible, some charming little bizarre pieces for the daring, as well as some straightforward portraiture for the shy. Lying in grass, waving from a treehouse, etc. If you get in later on Saturday there will be someone at the house co-ordinating and we will come back every so often. If you can only come Sunday, we can work around that as well. It may get a bit boring as we are shooting on motion picture film which requires time taking light readings, measuring focus, setting up shots, etc. However the mix of people should be good, as fans are coming in from all over the southeast to take part. Please bring several changes of clothes, without tradmearked logo's featured prominently (no giant nike swooshes or tazmanian devils, but you knew that as a general rule in life already, right?) The response so far has been tremendous, and there are still a few spaces available, so let us know if you would like to join us. Thank you, Lance Bangs ---------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sotiris at xxx.uk Thu Dec 10 17:36:59 1998 From: sotiris at xxx.uk (Steve Papapostolou) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:36:59 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk for sale Message-ID: <01be2463$b0d27f60$680f93c3@default> Hiya guys, I hppen to have a Tigermilk LP in my hands which I had bought when it was originally released, the vinyl is in good condition only its sleeve is a bit frayed at tthe edges. If anyone is interested please contact me with your offers at; sotiris at globalnet.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bkim0 at xxx.edu Thu Dec 10 17:48:41 1998 From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:48:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Chet Baker, Julie London...nice n' smooth Message-ID: <199812101748.MAA31428@dept.english.upenn.edu> Ivo and Arantxa brought up Chet Baker, thank goodness. He's amazing, such an underrated singer...you just have to think of the phrase "little boy blue" when hearing things like "I Get Along Without You Very Well" and of course "My Funny Valentine." But his upbeat stuff ("I Remember You") is great too...a smooth easygoing melancholic voice of a strung-out angel. (Poetic license mode on) I also think you could do worse than to check out Julie London, Ms. "Cry Me A River"...usually backed up only by an upright bass and an electric guitar but the songs move, sway, hush, and lie back on the pillow with a cigarette in hand when combined with her voice. Not too brassy, not too sassy, but just enough. Julie *is* her name. If you want to enjoy a good solitary night, put these albums on "repeat" and drink and smoke as much as you can take, slowly. Don't play it too loud, and turn the lights down low. If you're still with us in the morning consider yourself stronger for it. Xavier -- BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0 at dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From billmoss at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 18:27:14 1998 From: billmoss at xxx.com (Bill Moss) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:27:14 EST Subject: Sinister: Because he liked the sound of it Message-ID: <19981210182715.21843.qmail@hotmail.com> Reid asked/said: >Stuarts voice sound a little weird to anyone? Stevie's voice sounds >phenomenal. My favorite part is when he starts singing. > >Slow Graffiti is still one of my all-time favorites. The horns sound >fantastic, and I love the way Stuart tweaked the vocal melody. I like the horns in Slow Graffiti too. Are there horns on the 'clink clink' guitar parts (when the song starts picking-up) or is that just a clinky guitar - do you know what I mean? I don't think Stuart sounds weird on TIJAMRS ...my favorite part is when he says 'I suppose she needs a holiday.' I play the guitar and am a lefty - but I play righty. Sometimes I sing too. Bill http://www.geocities.com/~billmoss/main.html ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From graeme at xxx.uk Thu Dec 10 17:46:04 1998 From: graeme at xxx.uk (Graeme Crosbie) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:46:04 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Christmas Song + Ladies & Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space Message-ID: <000401be246e$b5f6b780$ea8fa6c3@graeme> Since there's such a demand for that nice B&S Christmas song, if someone sends me it (in Real Audio format, or WAV. if i get prior warning of the download) I'll post it on my hilairymouse website. www.cheeso.force9.co.uk If anyone's got Lord Antony, I could do the same with it. The original (Elvis version that isn't on the album) of Spiritualized's "Ladies & Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space" , possibly the finest song ever, is available in Real Audio format from the download section of my website. That is www.cheeso.force9.co.uk Seeya. Graeme. Quote of the day: "People were given only 30 seconds to leave their houses... sorry, make that 3 months."-My Old History Teacher +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From graeme at xxx.uk Thu Dec 10 17:26:49 1998 From: graeme at xxx.uk (Graeme Crosbie) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:26:49 -0000 Subject: Sinister: K Fraser's friend & various noodles Message-ID: <000201be246e$b3bd9060$ea8fa6c3@graeme> K Fraser's friend (Mark Pytlik) said; >So, say you want to wryly and cleverly pay tribute to a band called Radiohead, write a song called "The Girl With The RadioHead" My friend made this joke as soon as the album title was suggested. He said, "Graeme, can I borrow money for the new Arab Strap album? It's called "The Boy With The Belle & Sebastian"... tee hee" If, as was stated in the e-mail, there are only two speeds, and >"Speed #2 is Speed #1 except it's a little bit faster" is it just me, or does that make Speed 2# not like Speed #1 at all... more sort of faster. Sorry about that, just had to complain about inconsistencies in the criticisms others make of B&S. The new E.P is the finest single style thingy of '98. I got mine from Jeepster (8:55 thing on Monday morning.. thanks to all at Jeepster), but when I tried to get a copy for one of my friends, NONE of the shops I went to in Kilmarnock (near Glasgow) were carrying it (Chain Stores or Independant). I know it's not eligible for the British charts, but that's no need to stop stocking it! Don't buy this weeks Melody Maker if you're just getting it for the B&S article. You could do the same if you printed out the whole of the Jeepster site, and reworded bits to make it seem like you had spoken to B&S in a range of exotic locations. Seeya, Graeme Crosbie Quote of the day: "I pity the white man that pisses in my milk" - Mr T. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From A.Ward at xxx.uk Thu Dec 10 19:29:26 1998 From: A.Ward at xxx.uk (Anne Ward) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:29:26 +0000 Subject: Sinister: I want my MTV Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981210192926.0099f330@scooter.gcal.ac.uk> Hello All Can some kind soul please tell me what's going on with MTV? I always read Katrina's posts saying when to watch and then I do and there's nothing. Where is this cowing video? I sat through the whole of Will Smith Day yesterday hoping for a glimpse of cute boys in kilts and there was nowt. Where was Up For It? I'm starting to think someone's nobbled my cable, or I'm in a different time zone or something and I'm going to shoot Sara Cox if I have to see her prancing like a tit again. Is this still the video with Sarah up a tree? I'm getting a bit confused. Has anyone seen that Cassius video? It's ace, but they only seem to show it in the middle of the night, the rotters. Another thing. Do you get extra photos with the CD of the new single? No fair. What about all the good people trying to keep vinyl alive? I bet it's that Andrew Smythington's fault. I'd much rather look at the fountain in Kelvingrove Park than some dodgy picture of Alan Horne with a gommy hair cut. Just a thought. Love Anne xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From janine at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 19:54:52 1998 From: janine at xxx.com (Janine Papp) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:54:52 -0500 Subject: Sinister: record stores Message-ID: Just for the record (heh heh), if anyone ever needs a list of record stores in any city in the U.S. I can help you out. I have a VERY big database of record stores. Also, if there's any stores in your city you'd like to recommend (to add to my list), you can e-mail me as well. Queen Bee Janine +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fyang at xxx.ca Thu Dec 10 19:46:27 1998 From: fyang at xxx.ca (Frank Yang) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:46:27 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Geographic listing References: <3.0.5.32.19981210093619.007c2330@mail.hooked.net> Message-ID: <36702513.F1B022AC@itl.ca> Chris Butler wrote: > Anyone interested in making a geographic list of people on Sinister? > It'd be nice to know where all the clusters of folks are across the > world. Just need a few pages of html... Maybe Honey could host it > on the Sinister website somewhere. Useful for travelling, no? > > Clusters I've heard mentioned: > - New York > - SF > - Philadelphia > - London > - DC > - Athens, GA > - Boston > > Just a thought. > Senor Droolcup There's also a fair Canadian contingent on the list. Offhand, I can think of at least half a dozen in the southern Ontario region, plus a few in Quebec, a few prarie dwellers and our new Newfoundland correspondent Gabriel. Overall, I wouldn't be surprised if we numbered nearly 15-20, including lurkers. The TEEJAYHOOKER EP gets more majestic with each listen. What a nice way to close out the year. -- Frank Yang "If celebrities didn't want people pawing through their garbage and saying they're gay, they shouldn't have tried to express themselves creatively." In my CD player: Belle & Sebastian - This Is Just A Modern Rock Song +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From trarvild at xxx.se Thu Dec 10 20:04:19 1998 From: trarvild at xxx.se (Katarina Karlsson) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:04:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: someone who wants to trade tigermilk tape for a century of Elvis t-shirt? Message-ID: <199812102008.VAA20029@mb04.swip.net> I'm ill, but I believe in the healing power of B&S (do you remember that cd-player miracle some days ago). Maybee someone kind would like to help me and send me a tigermilk tape. If anyone helps me with this I will send that kind person an unique "A century of Elvis" T-shirt. And he will be the only one on in the world whos got it. It was made two daysago when I was painting t-shirts to give to friends and family as xmas gift and Iwas listening to B&S and got very inspired. Then when I had finished the t-shirt did I remember that I had no friend that I could give a B&S t-shirt. So if anyone has some kind x-mas feelings please mail to me Katta trarvild at swipnet.se +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From IndiaRubb at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 20:24:54 1998 From: IndiaRubb at xxx.com (IndiaRubb at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:24:54 EST Subject: Sinister: Isobel Defenders then, maybe Message-ID: <3cffdbe8.36702e16@aol.com> << Agh! As a leading member of the Gate Defenders, this isn't what I had in mind at all... Is It Wicked Not to Care?! You're talking about the best song on TBWTAS there, matey... :) >> I figured as much...I don't have anything against Isobel, though, I just really don't like Is It Wicked Not to Care? How about this: when it cames to actual defense, I'll be the guy nodding off in the Gate House :) gwt +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Thu Dec 10 22:55:37 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:55:37 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Down Bel, down!! good girl!!! Message-ID: <001801be2490$34d4bb80$3911020a@rebelstrange> i was going to say that dawn's dream was too entertaining not to be made up, but then i realized it was too goodfor anyone to think of. trust me, i'm going to save that one for posterity. Dawn, tell your subconscious it done good work. (AH!! now i must escape to Switzerland, you have all found me out!!! how ELSE could you have known about my lucky riding crop, and my nefarious scheme to make Isobel my love slave????? if it weren't for you meddling kids......!) which brings me to my next subject, le mystery bus, yes i was sure someone would say where are stevie, mick and richard. well quite simply, i was trying to stick to the scooby-doo template, and as analogues i deducted the following characters: Fred=Stuart M. / Daphne=isobel / Shaggy=Chris / Velma=sarah / scooby-Doo=patchy-boo(dog on wheels) Dr. looper just seemed funny to me. i figure that in the end, they'll befriend him anywya, having discovered he's just a misunderstood eccentric, and will warm his heart with their lilting musical charms and welcome him into the Bus. If anyone knows how i can fit the others into the cartoon, i'd be glad to make up another version with all eight involved. i just wasn't sure who stevie and mick and richard should be.......there werent' any more scooby doo characters really, unless you count the times Phyillis Diller and Don Knotts were on, or you could count Scrappy-Doo i spose. Mick could be Scrappy-Doo.........Stevie could play the part of Phyllis Diller?? (i'm not insane really, i just make out that i am) does anyone konw the best address to write the band snail mail? me and jess have spotted a couple of addresses and weren't sure which one was right. dont' worry, i'm not the Unabomber, although i do think he had a few good points to make. (oops) I just have to get that leather collar to Isobel!! she's waiting for my secret signal!! the poor dear is lost without me i'm afraid. Right-o then, keep defending theGate, you cheery chaps of upstandign virtue. file under: Things tha t Make you Go Hmmm..? i was messing around the list archives and happened upon a discussion of clitoral stimulation. Umm?? and it was a clitorally-impaired person doing the discussing as far as i can tell. well you x-defects just know it all dont' you.........that brings a new level to the concept of list smut. Hmmm! *Mistress* lesleyJo to you!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TWidmer at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 21:31:51 1998 From: TWidmer at xxx.com (Tara Widmer) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:31:51 -0800 Subject: Sinister: everything i touch is turning into gold! Message-ID: <81C1FB3F4D1ED111A51400805FC1DF03346822@amerwksnt01.xil.com> a great man, answering to "dirk", wisely wrote: << crackbabies,>> too well put ahem, well now down to business! With 3000 mostly unread digests in the old in-box I'm winging it, but have to agree with whoever said they were disappointed by the new version of MRS. Only lucid when he's writing songs, is it? so i guess now the hotshot pop star is too busy jetting to and fro a flashy mercedes or limo or gremlin or whatever to be bothered with taking buses like us normal folk. Man, that is so WEAK, the one common link i had with Stuart Murdoch "being lucid while on buses" and he ain't down with that no longer. Weak, I said, weak... *sigh* Isobel's songs are..cute I guess, but her work just seems slightly immature. there is nothing inherently *wrong* with that but especially alongside Stuart's work, it's like she needs time to develop as an artists/singer/lyricist. "and who the hell do you think you are?" you ask, "I suppose you could do better? have YOU ever tried writing anything?" As a matter of fact, yes, I write songs. Okay, wrote. One song. Once. When I was 12. like to hear it? here it goes: "Baby Don't you care for me?/ if love is blind why can i see/ I've got to know, because I love you so/ I want a new contract on love" It's imaginatively titled "Contract on Love". You can see why I never wrote more after that. Kind of a hard standard to follow. And please, don't use any of the lyrics without obtaining proper permission first. As far as Stuart M being in MM without permission, well is it really *that* surprising they did it?? it's hardly like they're some bastion of journalistic integrity... there was an interview in Select a couple months ago, the interviewer was instructed one thing only: not to bring up Mike D's marriage, so naturally the first question asked was "so, how's married life?" typical. A couple of months ago, I wrote in begging for companionship during my two week trip to England, and a few of you who really didn't know any better were kind enough to respond, so, if you are still available please get in touch and let me know!! I will be over (london/glasgow) from 12/27 to 1/10 and am left totally without plans. Except for seeing New Order at AllyPally on NYE (some of you are going?? write me!! i need someone to kiss at midnight! oh yeeah) and the Brighton Sinister meet-up, if it's still on. (?) Saint Etienne!! tonight!! you'll be there or be square! or just not be there!! Time to go back to work... here's a predicament: there's a new guy who started here, and well, we didn't really get along at first. And twice now I've accidentally discovered him looking at "rude" photos on the internet. Seems the poor fellow is completely oblivious to the fact that our employer monitors all internet usage. Should I bury the hatchet, tell him and save him from a potentially embarrassing situation before it's too late? or just continue in my current mode of doing nothing but thinking, "well, DUH, doesn't he realize they'll find out???" tata for now, Tara Some of you remember the girl (Julie, right?) who wrote about her experience on the "love Bus" in San Francisco not long ago?? Bad news, mes cheries... The singing bus operator.... who spread the message of love and togetherness to his frustrated and weary commuters through the gift of music, has been ordered to stop his singing. There is some ordinance or code that says bus drivers can only use their intercom for announcing upcoming stops and similar nonsense. the world has just become a little less kinder :*( +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mrswanky at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 21:55:42 1998 From: mrswanky at xxx.com (Steven Jay Goldman) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:55:42 EST Subject: Sinister: Grey skies but a bright morning... Message-ID: <19981210215542.18195.qmail@hotmail.com> Heya Sinisterines, I was all pissy when I left the apartment today, but then I opened up my mailbox (I had the itch that comes when something nice is about to happen), and lo and behold, "Modern Rock Song" had arrived!! After three consecutive listens, I have to say, it's a very nice body of songs. I haven't put the verdict out on "The Gate," 'cuz I want to give it time to grow on me. However, I already adore TIJAMRS and IKWTSG (damn acronyms)...yummy pop! That, and I finally own my first three B&S badges, which are too damn cute. ;) I had some weirdo peeking over my shoulder, with a look on his face that one gets after eating something grey and furry that's been in the back of the fridge for several decades...and he was looking at TWATTYbusiness! I turned around and inquired what his problem was, and he just said he'd NEVER heard of Belle and Sebastian, but heard the tunes coming out of my headphones...had I been in a more Warren Ellis/Irvine Welsh sort of mood, I'd have shoved him down the stairwell, but instead I just kindly let him know that his taste was absolutely crap. (If you'd seen the face he made, you'd have said so too.) Anyhow, I sit here trying to decide whether or not to accept a part in this production of Agatha Christie's "The Unexpected Guest" while I research stuff for the director who's a friend of mine... Not that you guys care, but the mitigating factors are those of distance (driving to rehearsal means 1.5 hours of sheer traffic hell through a very narrow Atlanta corridor) and talent (the folks I saw at auditions frightened me and not by how good they were)... I dunno, I suppose I'm a snob, but then again, that's what I went to school for! That's what Emory's good at teaching, by the way... Anyway, enough ranting and stuff... A quick ink poloroid: I'm standing over my car, leaning back in a fairly awkward position, mid-belly-laugh, looking at the couple of silly yellow traffic-ticket envelopes some foolish Emory traffic cop put on my car...several folks walking by are mystified by this strange boy with three B&S badges pinned to his red Hawaiian shirt.... *endstuff* --Steven ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenny at xxx.uk Thu Dec 10 22:08:36 1998 From: kenny at xxx.uk (Jake) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:08:36 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Can I take Katrina's place? Message-ID: <199812102209.WAA27864@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> Hi there all, In the absence of our dearest David and Katrina I thought that I'd do my best to answer some of the points raised by Mick McMick about new releases by B&S and looper. I want to point out at this stage that none of what I'm about to say is guarenteed but i'll do my best to tell you what i know. In case you are wondering who is Jake (or kenny as some of you will hate me by) to start whittering on as if he knows what is going on, i'd better explain how I know these things. Basically to make sure that all of the eps reach those people who had ordered them from jeepster David and Katrina had to get them all in the post by Friday evening and seeing as it just wasn't going to be physically possible for them to do that they enrolled yours truely as an honoury jeepster boy for the day. As a result I got to hear a few secrets about the band, and here they are..... As for the new ep and album, well the band are all booked in to do some recording over the next few months, the odd day here and the odd day there, but I haven't got an idea what they are planning to record and how they plan to release it, but I remember reading a while back that Stevie said the band wanted to record the new album in as short a time as possible, and put it out in the spring, so that could be where that news is from. Also in the studio is Isobel, she is there doing her recording, with the entire band making visits to help her, again I don't know what has been recorded or how it'll be released if ever. The looper album is already recorded, and what a mighty fine mix of styles it is too. There is impossible things#2 , which is like the single only with a few different lyrics, and then theres a track which has Stu singing ( as he does on B&S's paperboat) and then he tries and suceeds at making a cracking dance tune. I would have thought that there is more info about that at the treehouse though, and I know that there are sound clips of the album there. Go and seek. And as for tigermilk. Well as we all know people out there are just drowning in the sea of pish quality tigermilk bootlegs so I think the label want to get a decent copy out to bugger those bootleggers. I think the spring 99 date is still on. And as my last role with my jeepster hat on I think that if you start putting sound clips of Lord Antony or the like onto the internet then all hell will break loose when David gets back, just waiting to start copyright laws at you so I'd suggest not to bother. So off comes the jeepster hat, and I'd like to suggest the ooberman ep, it's great, and there is even a track on it like "A century of Elvis" only it is about a rabbit and it all ends up very sad so not that much like "...Elvis". But it is spoken word and it does mention foxes. If you're still reading this then thanks for staying with me. seeya Katri.....I mean Davi..........sorry jake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From michael.cook at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 22:38:43 1998 From: michael.cook at xxx.com (michael.cook at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:38:43 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Hi All Message-ID: I just bumped into this not my fault after a bottle or two. But hey has any body heard of Castle Comunications?? No oh well. To introduce myself I am me Proud of it And here to hit you with some amusing anecdotes Will be contacting you soon. Has anybody heard of ELO Joking Cookie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From twinkle at xxx.net Fri Dec 11 00:25:58 1998 From: twinkle at xxx.net (petula) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:25:58 GMT Subject: Sinister: Mistletoe Message-ID: <199812110025.AAA02331@trapdoor.aracnet.net> Bonsoir, So here I am at the close of my first term of my journalism course, rushing around to get everything handed in before I fly out to rule in a secret location in the north of England. We're coming down to London for a few days next week though, and I trust I'll meet some of you at the Po' Caf social on the 18th. I hear Trousers is going to feed us some of that curious English vegetarian food that I've read so much about called "beans on toast", I can't wait. Perhaps the New Year will turn over a new leaf for the list. No more silly acronyms. (they're not even real ones--you're supposed to be able to pronounce them you know) Let me tell you a story about "acronyms". There was once a sort of twee girl who was in a car with her friends. They were talking about the Field Mice and she referred to Northern Picture Library as NPL, which made her friends laugh at her for a very long time and she wasn't even allowed to join Sha La La, the refuge for lost popchildren. Finally, I'd like to complain about the truly crap films we're being bombarded with for the holiday season. You've got a girl running around with a giant (very fake-looking) ape, Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks falling in love over the internet (I was wondering when Hollywood would get to it!), and worst of all, Julia Roberts and Susan Sarandon desecrating Marvin & Tami's "ain't no mountain high enough". DJ "Oh Yeah" and I really know how to celebrate the holiday season-- spiked eggnog, shortbread and the Phil Spector christmas album. 5 days. Fiiiiiiive days. love elisabeth xoxo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kellym at xxx.com> Fri Dec 11 00:55:45 1998 From: kellym at xxx.com> (kellym at xxx.com>) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:55:45 -0800 Subject: Sinister: b+s horoscope Message-ID: <199812110058.QAA11802@macbeth.ienet.com> Passing the time till the little hand hits the five i picked up the new issue of Details and flipped to the horoscope page. Lucky for me it had the 'Year Ahead for Capricorns' this month and had some wierd b+s qualities to it. Here are the good parts: "Capricorns are supposed to be shy, conservative and slow. But you've got an irrational side that nobody sees because you're so good at keeping up appearances. You make everything look nice. There's something British about Capricorns-you maintain a stiff upper lip, even when your empire is sinking like the sun." "For the past two years, you've felt pinched and restricted, convinced that your favorite form of recreation is either unhealthy or illegal." "For the next two years, you'll be obsessed with getting your bills paid. But you'll also want to get drunk and dance around with your underwear on your head." "As we hit the year 2000, ask yourself the following Saturnine questions: If I'm surrounded by idiots, does that mean I'm a magnet for scoundrels and fools? And if so, should I hang my head in shame or, like another famous Capricorn born in December, found a church?" See what I mean, mention of the UK, talk of getting drunk and dancing, hanging your head in shame, feelings of being surrounded by people you can't relate to and churches! This is the most b+s (or is it bs?) horoscope I've ever read. Ok... just thought I'd share. -Kelly Ryan McGuire, born January 11th at 9:30AM, 197X. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Fri Dec 11 01:03:26 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:03:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: Mistletoe In-Reply-To: <199812110025.AAA02331@trapdoor.aracnet.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, petula wrote: > DJ "Oh Yeah" and I really know how to celebrate the holiday season-- spiked > eggnog, shortbread and the Phil Spector christmas album. YES YES YES! A beautiful sentiment. I've been listening to that Wall of Sound gem since I was about 10 (that's 18 years, kiddies) and it's wonderful every time. ciao, Heather +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stuart.spaceman at xxx.com Thu Dec 10 12:37:37 1998 From: stuart.spaceman at xxx.com (Spaceman Stuart) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 05:37:37 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Cover Picture Message-ID: Okay, so perhaps Belle and Sebastian didn't really have anything to do with the MM article. I don't really care much cause it was worth buying for the sight of Isobel. What a great picture!!!! Any B&S fans in Scotland or England who would be willing to give me a copy of Tigermilk and any radio sessions? I know it's a boring question but I had to ask eventually. Lastly, any Hibs fans on the list. Great to see the cabbage finally getting it together. Anyone who can help me regards tapes please mail me at: stuart.spaceman at mailcity.com Cheers Stuart. P.S The slagging of Dundee the other week was quite called for. It is basically a dull misery of a city on a hill. It also has a street named "smelly street". Need I say more? Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Thu Dec 10 23:02:48 1998 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:02:48 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Right ... we're off then ... Message-ID: <36705318.62D975BF@jeepster.co.uk> Dearest List, The time has come to unsub and put myself on the digest list (bugger), as the packing is furious and i'm scared that if i sit in front of this computer any longer then i won't be on that plane tomorrow. Couple of things before i say bye ... Mick McMick wrote: > > Hullo, > I checked the Jeepster site to see what was updated. By chance I > checked the "News" section on Jeepster rather than B&S. Here' what I > found. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > Belle & Sebastian > they're back in the rehearsal rooms and will hopefully deliver a new > album to us in the spring of next year. they're also working on a > possible new ep which should precede the album. yippee! > > Looper > the looper project has now completed their debut album which should > see it's release on jeepster in early march. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< oops, sorry everyone. we will be releasing the looper album on march 8th (march 9th by sub pop in the states) and we're hoping to put out a single two weeks beforehand. i'll be finishing all the release details when we get back, so don't think you're missing out on anything. stuart & karn are really excited about it all, and the album sounds fantastic so it'll be fantastic to release the lp. b&s - dunno, we're hoping to put another ep out around feb/march-ish, but it may be later ... not sure. the band are heading into the studio next week to start recording the new album, so again, more news about all that when we get back (if not before). ok, please note that david and i will still be collecting our mail daily (going on holidays to stay with your folks is a brilliant idea! all the mod cons!), so if you need to get hold of us for any reason, then just mail us! david - shop at jeepster.co.uk and me (katrina) - a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk and i think that's it! hope you all have a fantastic xmas and hogmanay/new year, we'll try to send you all a postcard from rottnest island or something! play nice. love, Katrina & David. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DMBesPhish at xxx.com Fri Dec 11 02:20:13 1998 From: DMBesPhish at xxx.com (DMBesPhish at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:20:13 EST Subject: Sinister: this took 10 pops Message-ID: <5effb0be.3670815d@aol.com> hello hello well lately my computer has been running for an extensive number of hours. my speech for my english class is due tomorrow. you can do any topic of your liking, so naturally i picked belle and sebastian. i must say this is the most enjoyed "research" project i have done yet. i only hope that my classmates will appreciate it as much as i do. i just have an awkward feeling that they will be confused and unconsciously belt out, "play da puffy!" and i will be shunned from their abercrombie and fitch wearing world...rats. and as for the new EP that EVERYONE is talking about...well yes, i still dont have it! my reasons are a) none of the stores around here seem to carry it and b) i havent any money to buy it with anyway. i have been dead broke for quite some time now. ive spent my last earnings on my ben harper cd...which is incredibly incredible (im good with words, can you tell?) and i love it so. and i also look foward to someday owning my own study at stow shirt as well :) and as for that thing about b&s in MM...well since i dont live in the uk, i havent seen it yet. but there is an article in this months magnet with them in it. the magazine has sunny day real estate on the cover. but once again i was unable to buy it on account of the empty space in my pockets. and ohh does anyone live near the chicago-land area who would be willing to give a girl a ride to athens so she can appear in a b&s video??? aww come on. yes, i was also wondering about the where abouts of all of my fellow listees. i think that site map is a good idea. does anyone else live in chicago? well i guess that concludes my long and rather drab letter. sorry sorry...i didnt mean for it to be so boring! perhaps later on i will be more influenced as i am about to start again on my "research" for b&s. well bye for now! xo, jackie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wilde77 at xxx.com Fri Dec 11 07:44:53 1998 From: wilde77 at xxx.com (r. h.) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:44:53 PST Subject: Sinister: that tara girl Message-ID: <19981211074454.13754.qmail@hotmail.com> wow, let me put my foot in my mouth for doubting jeepster. right after i posted last i checked my mail to find the ep there. it sounds like three of the songs should have been on sinister. i guess that's because they are old ones. mrs: i don't see the big deal it sounds like the other version to me only clearer. but all in all the ep sounds like a good stopping point for the band, like if they were to break up today it would be a good last note. i think we can all agree that that tara girl has got the goods when it comes to writing a song. watch out belle and sebastian here comes that tara girl. i think i'll rush off right now and start the "that tara girl" mailing list. you should really write another song, that one had me in tears.;) oh and while i'm at it let me tell you. tonight a very old (like 80)year old man was leaving our store and i noticed he was carrying a c.d. out so i followed him down(thinking that he just forgot to put it back)and asked him if he paid for it and he said "are you accusing me of stealing? because if you are that would be great because you have a nice piece of property and i wouldn't mind owning it you little shit" i've said it before and i'll say it again, aren't old people great! robbie tara, it really did make me cry! mail me fool! ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From parachute at xxx.net Fri Dec 11 08:06:04 1998 From: parachute at xxx.net (brad) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 03:06:04 -0500 Subject: Sinister: soixante neuf Message-ID: <3670D26C.38B9@earthlink.net> well well well i stole robbie's copy of TITTYTWISTER for about an hour today and proceeded to dub the shit out of it for myself cause i forgot to order one from whoever i order with. what's wrong with the gate, i ask? i think it's really good, and even better than "is that a stick up my derrier?" from the last album. so, feh! so who's all going to the athens thing? i'll be there. as will this other fucker who's tagging along. since the guy said we could be filmed together instead of separate, me and robbie (said fucker) are gonna try our damndest to talk him into letting us assume the 69. i think it'd be a touching and beautiful ending to the video. besides, the french wouldn't care. their middle name is 69. so i bought a jacques brel cd and it's utter crap. i had heard some good stuff from him before, but this ain't one of them. and i got that field mice compilation. and i have had the trembling blue stars stuff for a while.....and, well, it's good and all, but after about seven or eight songs i just want to slap his ass and tell him to stop fucking whining. jesus christ! i mean, david gedge has made a career out of songs about relationships, and there's nothing wrong with that at all, but he doesn't sound like a snivelling wuss when he's singing them. that's all i have to say about that. "willow" is a damn fine song. as are a lot of other ones on the compilation....just not in large doses. that was very anti-twee of me, no? so. -brad +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Tjonrr at xxx.com Fri Dec 11 11:53:58 1998 From: Tjonrr at xxx.com (Tjonrr at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:53:58 EST Subject: Sinister: re ooberman Message-ID: <816da6bf.367107d6@aol.com> > and I'd like to suggest the ooberman ep, > it's great, and there is even a track on it like "A century of Elvis" only > it is about a rabbit and it all ends up very sad so not that much like >"...Elvis". But it is spoken word and it does mention foxes. yes the ooberman ep is excellent, the first track is special, but i always stop the record before the rabbit one because i find it too traumatic. at least in watership down it all turned out all right in the end, yknow? also, on the subject of childhood books, does anyone remember struwelpter, it was a book of illustrated lessons for small children, the idea seemed to be prevention through putting the FEAR OF GOD into you, eg if you bite your nails A MAN WITH A GIANT PAIR OF SCISSORS WILL COME AND CUT YOUR FINGERS OFF or, on a lighter note, if you dont eat your soup YOU WILL WASTE AWAY AND DIE!!, like, WITHIN A WEEK!!!. my granny had an old copy of it and just the cover illustration has mentally scarred me for life. anyway, i was in a bookshop the other day, and it turns out THEY RE STILL PRINTING IT!!! AAAAAARGH!!!! a whole new generation of children turned into empty emotionlly retarded shells for the rest of their lifes. i assume they will have had to make it more politically correct though, cause it had sambos in it, if i remember right. from tjohn coming through the wall from my brothers room:the proclaimers-sunshine on leith. i suppose my brother can be pretty cool at times. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ianmacdonald at xxx.net Fri Dec 11 12:19:03 1998 From: ianmacdonald at xxx.net (Ian MacDonald) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:19:03 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Read this and constiipation will be a thing of the past: No shit Message-ID: <199812111217.MAA24460@boober.lineone.net> I am thoroughly pissed off with peoples attitudes to Belle and Sebastian when I introduce them to the unilateral beauty of B&S. The words that spring to the lips my deflowered B&S virgin friend tend to include wimpy, sad, weak , wank and poofy. Mind you the major circle in my Venn diagram of my deflowered virgins would include more followers of Mr Crowley than fanciers of non red triangled effete French movies. Anyway, being a wee man (thinkTattoo journeying to the centre of the earth ) I take these accusations aimed at B&S as a personal attack. In order to be able to play B&S to these heathens in future, I demand the introduction of steroid/creatine supplements to the B&S Mr Motivator regime. Isobel should also be force fed vegetarian white pudding until she can commuicate fluently with the deaf through the medium of osmatic viola powerchords. Wee Stuart should be made to wear platforms, tank tops and pattern his face with a spiders web tattoo. And all singers must smoke 120 capstan full strength daily for a week prior to recording. I would like to see the whole band take a lead from Norway and start playing with matches in churches as opposed to strumming their holy chords therein, replace their cats with starving PCP fuelled Fangface creatures, pump iron, actually use Arab Strab to brutalise each other anally,orally until the volume of band screams surpass the combined cacophony of 1 million screaming guitars. p.s This is my first post in a year because I I'm shy and your posts are all so great especially from the people that have been on the list for over 5 months and 3 days pps. My List Crush is TAG because he is IT. Was it Sarah that won ? I like the sound of her Fluffy Candarel although I have no idea what they maybe. DUKE: .How are Daisy, Bo, Luke or Uncle Jesse? But serously oh psychedelic educational guru what did you quote from me in your tome to the pertinence of pop in the life of us misunderstood kids? chips and gravy: I would like E-mail pen friends from all over the world to swap pant crust /charming stories with. I would particularly like to receive pictures of lavacious muslim ladies eyes. Speak to you in another year. In fact during the eclipse. pppps. Americans. I have included many UK references you may not understand. This was intentional as I constantly have to suffer your cultural imperialism. And you continue to bastardize both our verbal and body language with your "Whatevers" and your ever expanding waistline plot to absorb the rest of the world. Luv, peace, harmony and neck massages to you all. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk Fri Dec 11 11:48:13 1998 From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:48:13 +0000 Subject: Sinister: what's a nice record like you doing in a place like this? Message-ID: <0013AF2A.CE21213@smlawpub.co.uk> alix wrote: >so, dear sinisterites, at the risk of starting a random new thread of >conversational hub-bub, i would like to know what the strangest place >you have ever heard a b&s song played is. any takers? I'd like to start the bidding on this with Emporio Armani in Covent Garden. My flatmate Davie works there and managed to get them to play the whole of TBWTAS last week. Not strange, perhaps, but certainly unexpected... PS I see that a letter in the beginning of the execrable Melody Maker (the one with THAT cover "story") about the appalling state of the charts is answered by some woeful smartass staff member with words to this effect: "...and all you'd be left with is Belle and Sebastian and Steps. Is that what you want?" For Davie, this combination would truly be a dream come true. Now that is strange. Charlotte +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From andrew at xxx.net Fri Dec 11 12:28:22 1998 From: andrew at xxx.net (andypandy) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 98 12:28:22 GMT Subject: Sinister: does it really have to be this way? Message-ID: hello. i'm new here, can anyone tell me where the toilets are? okay, so that's a lie, i seem to have been here forever. but i still don't know where the porcelain is. and honey, i *still* think that there should be a delete button to remove those posts from the archive that a body now regrets ever sending. just glad i have since changed my name. crawled out from under this rock to mail this because for once i can actually claim to have b&s content. this, however, could be ruined by the fact it may already have been posted, but i can't be sure because for some reason i can't collect my mail. so apologies if this is a repeat. where was i? oh, yeah... in today's scotsman (under a picture of stu m with the caption 'belle and sebastian: stuart murdoch's corduroy crew have produced a gem wrapped up beautifully in christmas mischief'): ---------------------- belle and sebastian this is just a modern rock song jeepster, �3.99 * * * * * (yes, that's five stars of out of five, and you can get it from coda or fopp for �2.99) recent changes to chart rules mean band can now only put three songs on a single where previously four were allowed. in protest at this - or, as is more likely, because they are scotland's most contrary rock group - belle and sebastian have released a four-track single. or a very mini album, depending on how you look at it. consequently this is just a modern rock song will feature in neither the singles nor the album charts, which is a crime because it deserves to be in both. it will, however, sell in bucket-loads - sales figures released yesterday show it would have charted in the top 20 had it been eligible - so the shy and retiring glaswegians will make pots of money and still not have to do the christmas top of the pops. if only the spice girls had thought to do the same. that belle and sebastian have ended 1998 with such a tour de force is a great relief. on the boy with the arab strap, the bands third album, murdoch and his muse looked in need of counselling: not so now. the seven-minute title track alone shows the pair have rediscovered each other's intimate bits, though in murdoch's case you suspect that means nothing south of his funny bone. the ep features the gate, sung by cellist isobel campbell, whose is it wicked not to care? was one of the last album's highlights; i know where the summer goes; and slow graffiti. but it is the title track which is the real triumph. on it, murdoch's uncertain voice is once more shown to be perfect for his quirky lyrics. the song's string parts and three-cord drone recall the velvet underground, but the achingly beautiful harmonies and the slow, weary melody are pure belle and sebastian. power without noise is murdoch's forte and the power comes, as always, from the weird little world he paints. you can picture him riding a bus trip up the byres road, scribbling lyrics into a notebook he keeps in his duffelcoat pocket. 'we are four boys in our corduroys, we're not terrific but we're competent,' the group sings. it's the same tone that edwyn collins adopted in the early days of orange juice: self-referential and charmingly self-mocking. meanwhile, the band members' foibles are analysed in a comic inventory which plays on their reputation for being publicity-shy: 'stevie's full of good intentions, richard's into rock and roll, stuart's staying in and he thinks it's a sin that he has to leave the house at all.' stuart murdoch harmonises on the first two lines then bows out before his own name is mentioned. well, it's only polite isn't it? barry didcock ---------------------- and while i am here, i shouldn't let the chance pass to add that modern rock song and slow graffiti float my boat. actually, they float my boat out the harbour, against the rising tide, through the atlantic breakers, round the headland, and out into the deep blue sea. did i say my boat was pea-green? me? sycophantic? nooooo. and i think i can sneak this in too, seeing as i have mentioned b&s.. to all those i promised packages: the books, cds, tapes, badly written letters, cards, scraps of paper, stories, pictures, underwear, and love poems have been mailed, albeit a day later than the last for christmas post (hey, i'm slow, okay? but they should all arrive before crimbles). the only thing i haven't mailed is the lightswitch cover i promised a darling soul, but it'll be on it's way soon, and you really don't have to do this, especially when your hands are so full =). oh, and thank you to the other sweet soul who so kindly helped with the documents and the call to the estate agents, you didn't have to. a park road address is not too far away. i'll call you tonight. and to everyone else, the flat-warming'll be sometime in the new year. =) and yes, it *is* possible to do uptight friday, and divine *and* the egg on saturday. but the taxi'll cost you �50, and the contents of your stomach. and thank you to miss s.H.v, for the tape that allows me to recreate the divine experience in the privacy of my own home, but without the slurring, lushing, and general lary-ness. well, maybe some. okay, i'm done. i'll disappear for another year. hope everyone is well, and have a wonderful christmas and a pissed-up new year. maybe see you in 1999, unless of course, you see me coming first. andy xoxo ps. keithyabas, where's my cd-r? =P hope you don't mind being reimbursed in liquid currency =) and hope you are feeling better, you looked knackered at the egg the other week. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keith at xxx.uk Fri Dec 11 12:00:07 1998 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:00:07 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Leith In-Reply-To: <816da6bf.367107d6@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001be24fd$cbb05790$4e0129c2@sun.QSS> coming through the wall from my brothers room:the proclaimers-sunshine on leith. i suppose my brother can be pretty cool at times. How fitting - you can let your brother know that there is indeed Sunshine on Leith today. By the way, who's coming to Glasgow at New Year, we're having a bit of a meet up on the 31st December. There are already a number of the sinister chums coming up - who else is up for it? Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Fri Dec 11 13:01:51 1998 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (WeeJay) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:01:51 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Let the ridicule commence! Message-ID: <199812111255.MAA06688@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Right, this is my last message to the list before I temporarily unsubscribe to go home. Therefore between now and tomorrow night you have free reign to say anything about me and I'll be none the wiser. Oh, and don't mail me here, anyone who was planning to - I wont read it until January. Talking of mailings, I'm getting a good response to the story game thing (called "exquisite corpse" Rachael assures me) but you've all got plenty of time to apply yet - to james at twopounds.u-net.com remember! I've had a little look at the photo site listed on the main page and I'd advise evryone else to aswell - it's very informative. Stu really is a VERY tall git and, disapointingly, Sarah isn't particularly fluffy at all (*awaits slap*). What else... Hmmmn (plays with imaginary goatee)... Oh, yes, Tara posed us a dilemma: > Time to go back to work... here's a predicament: there's a new > guy who started here, and well, we didn't really get along at first. > And twice now I've accidentally discovered him looking at > "rude" photos on the internet. Seems the poor fellow > is completely oblivious to the fact that our employer monitors all > internet usage. Should I bury the hatchet, tell him and save him > from a potentially embarrassing situation before it's too late? or > just continue in my current mode of doing nothing but thinking, > "well, DUH, doesn't he realize they'll find out???" Doesn't your employer have one of those little programmes that stops you being able to access such sites? I'm reliably told we have one here (by someone who has a stack of 'razzle' magazines in his bedroom). Anyway, what I would do is tell him, but in an amusing / humiliating way. Like perhaps in front of a female coleague he's taken a shine to. Not that I'm a man to hold a grudge, gosh no;) As for le mystery bus, well I can see how stevie, mick and richard can fit in. How about stevie could be the mysterious, sinister looking and obviously innocent butler, mick could be the owner of the 'haunted' house who's trying to attract tourists or something, and richard could be the 'old friend' of theirs who's invited them there to investigate it. Mick could dress up in a sheet and frrrighten chris and patchy-boo. I'm glad to see there's no scrappy-doo involved. I see that kelly 'raygun' was born in 197X. Me too! was anyone else born in 197X around here? Talking of X, I visited Belle lettres for the first time the other day *sigh* that is good. Well, that's all I've got to say really... next time you hear from me I'll be on the digest and only able to send/recieve mail once a day. And remember, game people, don't mail me here, WeeeeeeeeeeeJay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx James at twopounds.u-net.com Go on, what are you frightened of? (and remember - stick it in sideways) http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/ (Which will no longer crash your computer. Hopefully.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From AEvans at xxx.uk Fri Dec 11 13:37:47 1998 From: AEvans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:37:47 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Xmas Lunch Message-ID: <25CC9C11BD12D111BA5500805F8B63691C7CE1@COR-EXG1> The poetry parrot has just turned up on my doorstep absolutely shit-faced, sent home in disgrace from his xmas party after an appauling display of jannerism. Here's what he had to say for himself. twas the night before christmas and shit was it neat. the kids were both gone and my wife was in heat. the doors were all bolted the phone off the hook it was time for some nooky by hook or by crook mom in her teddy and I in the nude had just hit the bedroom and reached for the lube when out on the lawn there arose such a cry that I lost my boner and momma went dry up to the window I sprang like an elf tore back the shade while she played with herself the moon was so bright that it lit up the yard the place was a mess something hit it real hard when what to my wondering eyes should appear but a crooked old sleigh and eight mangy reindeer with a fat little driver half out of his sled a sock in his ear and a bra on his head sure as im speaking he was as high as a kite and he yelled to his team but it didn't sound right whoa shithead whoa asshole whoa stupid whoa putz fuckin slow down this rig or I'll cut off your nuts over the lamp post and don't hit that tree quit shaking the sleigh cause I gotta go pee they cleared the old lamp post the tree got a rub just as santa leaned out and threw up in the shrub and then from the roof came a hell of a splatter as each little reindeer now emptied his bladder I was donning my jacket to cover my ass when down through the chimney he came with a crash his suit was all soaking with perfume galore he looked like a bum and smelled like a whore that was some cathouse he said with a smile the reindeer are pooped so I'll hang for awhile he walked to the kitchen and poured up a drink then whipped out his pecker and pissed in the sink I started to laugh my wife smiled with glee the old boy was hung nearly down to his knee back in the den santa reached in his sack but his toys were all gone and some new things were packed the first thing he found was a black leather whip next were some x-rated video clips a box full of condoms was Santas next find and a six pack of panties 'the edible kind' a bra without nipples a penis extension and boxes of goodies I won't even mention a cock ring a g-string and all types of oil and a dildo so long that it lay in a coil. this stuff ain't for kids mrs.santa would shit if you don't mind I'll leave it all here when I split he filled every stocking and then took his leave with one tiny butt plug tucked under his sleeve he sprang to his sleigh but his feet were like lead and he fell on his buttocks and broke wind instead he cursed and got up and climbed into his hitch lets go ya varmits the nights been a bitch the shuddering lurch slammed him back in his chair and he let out a belch as they took to the air bending the lamp post and raking the tree he bounced off a rooftop and finally got free im comin home woman! he sang with a smirk so grab both your ankles and pull up you skirt!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MctaggartR at xxx.com Fri Dec 11 13:16:12 1998 From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:16:12 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Mistletoe Message-ID: Elisabeth wrote: >Perhaps the New Year will turn over a new leaf for the list. >No more silly acronyms. P-W, HITYLTILY? Love Tag xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From twinkle at xxx.net Fri Dec 11 14:30:33 1998 From: twinkle at xxx.net (petula) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:30:33 GMT Subject: Sinister: Mistletoe Message-ID: <199812111430.OAA00441@trapdoor.aracnet.net> At 01:16 PM 12/11/1998 -0000, Mctaggart, Robert wrote: > >Elisabeth wrote: > >>Perhaps the New Year will turn over a new leaf for the list. >>No more silly acronyms. > >P-W, HITYLTILY? > >Love Tag xx P-W, WR! love elisabeth xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fyang at xxx.ca Fri Dec 11 14:59:21 1998 From: fyang at xxx.ca (Frank Yang) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:59:21 -0500 Subject: Sinister: This is Belle & Sebastian! Message-ID: <36713348.48DE603A@itl.ca> So I was watching This Is Spinal Tap last night, and after laughing myself senseless, it occurred to me that if someone were to make a rockumentary about Belle & Sebastian, it would be so utterly opposite, it'd almost be a satire unto itself. "So, Stuart, tell us about these amps..." "Uh, well, most amps only go to zero, but these go to minus one. That's one quieter, y'know..." I think it'd be a winner. Except none of the band would agree to appear on camera... -- Frank Yang "If celebrities didn't want people pawing through their garbage and saying they're gay, they shouldn't have tried to express themselves creatively." In my CD player: The Verve - Urban Hymns +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Fri Dec 11 16:04:39 1998 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:04:39 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: it's dark already! Message-ID: darling list, i've been fully converted to The Gate now - i think i annoyed my boyfriend by humming it tunelessly a lot yesterday. and having seen isobel's divine shorn head, lovely coat, and general gorgeousness in Melody Mangler (god, it really is a complete load of toss) i think i want to marry her. okay, i am female and furthermore have a boyfriend, but these things defy logic. the whole EP nursed me through a depressed afternoon when i'd just been made to feel supremely stupid by my horrible tutor, and as others have mentioned the horns on Slow Graffiti are just perfect. mmm. i am not a musician in any sense of the word, by the way, and i feel left out. though i did used to write songs with my best friend when we were about 11, which included immortal lines such as: 'i've tried to forget you but i never succeed/why do you remain in my memory?' genius. now i just write poetry, and i fondly imagine that my lyrical skills have slightly improved. by the way, has the brighton meet-up been finalised yet, does anyone know? as in where we're meeting? only lucid when i'm writing poetry, archel xxx ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth rap101 at york.ac.uk http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nobody can be uncheered with a balloon." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Fri Dec 11 16:15:27 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:15:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: Read this and constiipation will be a thing of the past: No shit In-Reply-To: <199812111217.MAA24460@boober.lineone.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Ian MacDonald wrote: > pppps. Americans. I have included many UK references you may not > understand. This was intentional as I constantly have to suffer your > cultural imperialism. And you continue to bastardize both our verbal and > body language with your "Whatevers" and your ever expanding waistline plot > to absorb the rest of the world. > I don't understand what you are getting at here. Will you please expand upon this, Ian? "Cultural Imperialism?" ciao, Heather (a yank) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keithmcl at xxx.net Fri Dec 11 16:41:05 1998 From: keithmcl at xxx.net (keith m) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:41:05 -0500 Subject: Sinister: is this the british wit? Message-ID: <36714B20.E03D145C@bignet.net> ian wrote: >pppps. Americans. I have included many UK references you >may not >understand. This was intentional as I constantly have to >suffer your >cultural imperialism. And you continue to bastardize both >our verbal and >body language with your "Whatevers" and your ever >expanding waistline plot >to absorb the rest of the world. strange, this, especially from an englishman, history is so easily overlooked i suppose. oh well, time for me to unsubscribe, i haven't the pretentiousness within me to continue. keith mcl +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SANDRAD at xxx.com Fri Dec 11 17:34:24 1998 From: SANDRAD at xxx.com (Sandra Duric) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:34:24 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Calling for a truce... Message-ID: <01BE2502.97EC4A40@SANDRA> Hello listees, The Canadian in me is hoping this doesn't become out of control, which is all too easy with the anonymity of email, and the general anti-Americanism that many countries feel. Canadians are all too easily mistaken for Americans but have the luxury of flashing a maple leaf passport at the world and saying, umm, what exactly were you saying? And growing up on the US/Canadian border definitely teaches you to temper your attitude towards Americans because really, what is the point. So there's McDonald's EVERYWHERE! And they come over to our side to drink our higher alcohol content Canadian beer because our drinking age is lower, and they get loud and obnoxious and over run our city on the weekends... But does it really, really matter? Americans are not different than Canadians who are no different than the British who are no different... We're all people. ian wrote: >pppps. Americans. I have included many UK references you >may not >understand. This was intentional as I constantly have to >suffer your >cultural imperialism. And you continue to bastardize both >our verbal and >body language with your "Whatevers" and your ever >expanding waistline plot >to absorb the rest of the world. Ian, many of us who are not Brits do understand UK references. It's becoming a small, small world. And you'll probably find that this list attracts Anglophiles, people who really enjoy, appreciate, like certain aspects of British culture. As for the rest of what you said, it becomes a highly political/cultural debate that I may sometimes also lean towards when I'm feeling moody and want to change the world. But I doubt they are plotting anything other than the impeachment of Clinton these days. strange, this, especially from an englishman, history is so easily overlooked i suppose. oh well, time for me to unsubscribe, i haven't the pretentiousness within me to continue And Keith, I'm sure you don't need to unsubscribe. You're on it for Belle & Sebastian, aren't you? Why give up that? We can't like everything everyone says all the time. I didn't like something a certain listee said a month ago and I reacted, which resulted in a bunch of bullshit. As HoneyPaul said, just hit DELETE, and poof, it's history. As for B&S content? I'll let you know if the new ep moves me after I pick it up tonight! Really, if we need to talk about cultural imperialism, the British have cornered the market on good music... at least for now (wink) Alexandra +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Fri Dec 11 18:10:29 1998 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:10:29 -0800 Subject: Sinister: US Cultural Imperialism In-Reply-To: References: <199812111217.MAA24460@boober.lineone.net> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981211101029.00b12ac0@mail.hooked.net> Must be the TBlair syndrome. I agree that U.S. does have a certain sort of cultural imperialism going on, but that "imperialism" doesn't do justice to the osmotic nature of the diffused culture. The main problem is that the U.S. dominates the pop entertainment markets and in true capitalist nature propagates the product to get more consumers worldwide. Production quality is high (content not necessarily) in the music/tv/film arenas, distribution is key, and both are barriers to entry for foreign countries, but which are quickly catching up due to reduced production costs w/ tech. Other areas of imperialism include the internet - supposedly 80% of all 1997 internet traffic flowed through California. Mega-mergers are positioning US-based companies to have similar business impact. However, I'd hasten to say that the US isn't interested in culturally taking over the world, just making money off anyone who will buy the products. Capitalism is the motive, distribution is the means. BTW, Britain's Blair is doing his best to encourage more American behaviour as far as I can tell, in my two weeks in the UK recently. And the Spice Girls and Prince Charles? I don't think everything is the US' fault... thus the problem with the term imperialism. note: didn't notice too many UK references in your email either. should have thrown in more labour party propaganda. ;) BTW, there was a great segment on the BBC about this very issue - that show where two people present arguments to the audience? Called something like "The House Believes"? Issue was whether US culture was a good thing. House voted NO. Funny stuff. Almost as funny as "Wordly Wise". senor droolcup At 10:15 AM 12/11/98 -0600, Heather Marie Propes wrote: >On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Ian MacDonald wrote: >> This was intentional as I constantly have to suffer your >> cultural imperialism. > >I don't understand what you are getting at here. Will you please expand >upon this, Ian? "Cultural Imperialism?" > >ciao, > >Heather (a yank) > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From graeme at xxx.uk Fri Dec 11 19:04:34 1998 From: graeme at xxx.uk (Graeme Crosbie) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:04:34 -0000 Subject: Sinister: WeeJay's Game Message-ID: <000301be253a$71555060$8890a6c3@graeme> The band "They Might Be Giants" wrote a song called "Exquisite Dead Guy" based on a time they played the game. The lyrics go along the line of; "Exquisite dead guy, rotating in his display case.." etc. It really is quite good. On the subject of B&S, Stuart Murdoch told NME (just before If You're Feeling Sinister was released) that he would do two albums, some EPs, then they would split. Maybe r.h's prediction ("the ep sounds like a good stopping point for the band, like if they were to break up today it would be a good last note." isn't too far from reality. We can always hope not. Cheery, Graeme QUOTE OF THE DAY : "I pity the white man that parks in my space", -Mr.T On my stereo - The rerelease of the White Album -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gofnelau at xxx.edu Fri Dec 11 19:11:51 1998 From: gofnelau at xxx.edu (Lauren) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:11:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: the cruise Message-ID: <199812111911.NAA09466@coleridge.webster.edu> Tara wrote: >Some of you remember the girl (Julie, right?) who wrote about her >experience >on the "love Bus" in San Francisco not long ago?? Bad news, mes cheries... >The singing bus operator.... who spread the message of love and >togetherness >to his frustrated and weary commuters through the gift of music, has been >ordered to stop his singing. There is some ordinance or code that says >bus drivers can only use their intercom for announcing upcoming stops and >similar nonsense. the world has just become a little less kinder :*( this reminds me of a film i saw not too long ago at the st. louis international film festival..it's called "the cruise" and it's about this new york city tour bus guide named timothy 'speed' levitch who is this amazing, wonderful man. he's a bit of a mystic and incredibly intelligent, and spouts off vast amounts of (humorous and useful) information whilst giving the bus tour. i don't know if the film is going to get distribution or not, but if anyone has the opportunity to see it, i highly recommend it... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ciflux at xxx.com Fri Dec 11 19:10:59 1998 From: Ciflux at xxx.com (Ciflux at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:10:59 EST Subject: Sinister: Short Graffiti Message-ID: <13a40ea2.36716e43@aol.com> Am I alone in being disappointed by the shortened "Slow Graffiti" on the new EP? I've been absolutely obsessed with the song since hearing it live last year I remember feeling absolutely enveloped in it, in large part because of the way it kept building and building for minutes, ultimately concluding in a flourish of horns and guitars. On the EP, they've chosen to fade the song out about thrity seconds after the last verse, which really does omit a crucial element of the song for me. It's still one of my very favorite Belle & Sebastian songs, but I wish they'd left it as is... Forget the summer, I want to know where the winter's gone. It's mid-December and still the temperature's in the 50s. I want cold weather, dammit. mike ciflux at aol.com http://members.aol.com/ciflux +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From barzy at xxx.com Fri Dec 11 19:47:41 1998 From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:47:41 -0800 Subject: Sinister: so long, farewell Message-ID: This is really hard...as this place has been a safe haven of chip nibbling, cardiewearing maties......but the time's come where I just can't handle the amount of pain in the butt mail from people saying lame things, and the people who use to say things of worth are dead silent...and i've been told i'm slowing down the company server so.....with deep regrets I leave you all...*sniff* Duke, Tag....Andy...all my old chums....and a very few of the new ones....and especially honey dipped Honey...this is no fault of yours...and i'll live in your pants drawer in spirit. maybe i'll see ya'll at a show or something... happy holidays and bye bye.... beth +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nickdastoor at xxx.com Fri Dec 11 17:28:12 1998 From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 04:28:12 +1100 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Golly gosh it's US "vs" UK tosh (slight return) Message-ID: <19981211172812.21688.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> For anyone who missed the exciting recent broohahah on this subject, see the 'We are the world we are the children' thread at: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/mhonarc/199810/index4.html#00302 and see how cleverly it spoiled the list for a while. Let's get back to talking about how rubbish 'The Gate' is. My idea for what 'skipping acts' means: My guess is it refers to popping out of the Strathcylde Players Theatre for a quick snog with Sebastian when yet another turgid Am Dram production begins to pall. Either that or it's some kind of playground rhyme. It is not my intention to start a playground rhyme thread, but if you would like to weave them magically into your subject lines, that's fine by me. Nicholas xxx _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chigger88 at xxx.com Fri Dec 11 20:12:25 1998 From: chigger88 at xxx.com (Rachael .) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:12:25 PST Subject: Sinister: Read this and constiipation will be a thing of the past: No shit Message-ID: <19981211201226.21594.qmail@hotmail.com> Ian speculated: > pppps. Americans. I have included many UK references you may not > understand. This was intentional as I constantly have to suffer your > cultural imperialism. And you continue to bastardize both our verbal and > body language with your "Whatevers" and your ever expanding waistline plot > to absorb the rest of the world. Oh dear. Are we going to have to defend ourselves against another tiresome "fat stupid american" onslaught. Ho-hum. Ian, I'm sure you meant well. However, television is not reality. There are alot of well read americans who don't use words like, 'whatever', 'so all', 'like', and 'totally'. I'm sure that there are colloquialisms from your country that are just as silly. As for our expanding waistlines, well, yes, statistics show that on average americans are heavier than the rest of the world. I think that it is the exception rather than the rule which raises the median weight. That's just like saying we all have 1.8 children, or whatever it is. I love Americans. For the most part, they are a child-like silly bunch of freaks. Where would the rest of civilization be without them? Is this arrogance to feel this way? No. France and England have had such a huge impact on the rest of the world. Especially here in the U.S. Look at Furby. Yer American sister, Rachael ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Sandibrady at xxx.com Fri Dec 11 21:50:09 1998 From: Sandibrady at xxx.com (Sandibrady at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:50:09 EST Subject: Sinister: Yikes Message-ID: I just re-subscribed (was subscribed quite a while back, but couldn't keep up with all the mail) and today my "inbox" has been filled with nothing but a bunch of rubbish knocking Americans. So I must ask: is this typical of this mail list? If so, perhaps this is not the place for B&S fans who happen to be American? And one more thing: if Americans (and America) suck so bad, why would they be filming their next video here? I think it's very unfair to characterize all of us with horrible stereotypes. I happen to be 95 pounds soaking wet (and with a few rocks in my pocket)....so much for the expanding waistlines theory. :) It is true that many Americans are slightly (or grossly) overweight, but PLEASE don't lump me into that category! As for B&S content: I am off to Athens, GA tomorrow morning for the video shoot. It's worth the 6 hour drive as far as I'm concerned. Anyone else planning on attending? Perhaps we can plan to go out for dinner after the shoot or something? Email me if you'd like. Sandi +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ianmacdonald at xxx.net Fri Dec 11 20:26:35 1998 From: ianmacdonald at xxx.net (Ian MacDonald) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:26:35 -0000 Subject: Sinister: olive branch to the US (&Canada) Message-ID: <199812112049.UAA06126@boober.lineone.net> It seems my puerile attempts concerning our friends on the other side of the Atlantic at wit have stirred up a hornets nest on a topic that has a nasty habit of tying up the last regularly on a series of futile arguements. I apologise for any offence caused and if anybody still feels like giving me the stick I deserve, will they please send it to me privately so as to prevent listee repetitive strain injury from deleting all the flak aimed at me. I have E-mailed Keith M privately requesting that he not leave the list just because of my lapse. I would like to think,to lessen my feelings of guilt and responsibility, that Keith was already suffering from some sort of dissatisfaction with the list. I am not proud at all to cause such grave offence to an individual. I do believe that my perceived currentUS cultural imperialism is a a product of historical natural selection. By this, I mean that the most powerful/successful nation's values historically have left a cultural residue over their sphere of interest. The British having been in a similar position of global power 2 centuries ago with the same accusations being equally valid against the Brits.Having said that, I feel that the Western capitalist way has a positve affect globally and is good a system as anything else the World has seen so far. As I said earlier, if anybody disagrees with what after all is only my opinion please take it up with me privately. I shall now return the Andrews salts to the cupboard and remain verbally constipated regarding the list until the Eclipse in August 1999 when MacDonaldian darkness will descend again. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mdellima at xxx.com Fri Dec 11 20:59:05 1998 From: mdellima at xxx.com (mark del lima) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:59:05 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Read this and constiipation will be a thing of the past: No shit Message-ID: <199812112057.MAA30844@scv3.apple.com> Thank you Mr. Ian. I would be angry with your comments if they weren't so amusing. Admittedly, we don't get enough provocation here on the list. In fact, I've come to expect the usual tortured self-observations or half-hearted descriptions of daily serendipity, but this was--shall we say--different. regards, mark. p.s. rachael: you are consistently engaging. p.p.s. your UK references aren't so impenetrable; you're culture is a mirror of ours (or is it vice-versa?) >I am thoroughly pissed off with peoples attitudes to Belle and Sebastian >when I introduce them to the unilateral beauty of B&S. The words that >spring to the lips my deflowered B&S virgin friend tend to include wimpy, >sad, weak , wank and poofy. Mind you the major circle in my Venn diagram of >my deflowered virgins would include more followers of Mr Crowley than >fanciers of non red triangled effete French movies. > >Anyway, being a wee man (thinkTattoo journeying to the centre of the earth >) I take these accusations aimed at B&S as a personal attack. In order to >be able to play B&S to these heathens in future, I demand the introduction >of steroid/creatine supplements to the B&S Mr Motivator regime. Isobel >should also be force fed vegetarian white pudding until she can commuicate >fluently with the deaf through the medium of osmatic viola powerchords. Wee >Stuart should be made to wear platforms, tank tops and pattern his face >with a spiders web tattoo. And all singers must smoke 120 capstan full >strength daily for a week prior to recording. > >I would like to see the whole band take a lead from Norway and start >playing with matches in churches as opposed to strumming their holy chords >therein, replace their cats with starving PCP fuelled Fangface creatures, >pump iron, actually use Arab Strab to brutalise each other anally,orally >until the volume of band screams surpass the combined cacophony of 1 >million screaming guitars. > >p.s This is my first post in a year because I I'm shy and your posts are >all so great especially from the people that have been on the list for over >5 months and 3 days >pps. My List Crush is TAG because he is IT. Was it Sarah that won ? I like >the sound of her Fluffy Candarel although I have no idea what they maybe. > >DUKE: .How are Daisy, Bo, Luke or Uncle Jesse? But serously oh psychedelic >educational guru what did you quote from me in your tome to the pertinence >of pop in the life of us misunderstood kids? > > >chips and gravy: I would like E-mail pen friends from all over the world to >swap pant crust /charming stories with. I would particularly like to >receive pictures of lavacious muslim ladies eyes. > >Speak to you in another year. In fact during the eclipse. > >pppps. Americans. I have included many UK references you may not >understand. This was intentional as I constantly have to suffer your >cultural imperialism. And you continue to bastardize both our verbal and >body language with your "Whatevers" and your ever expanding waistline plot >to absorb the rest of the world. > >Luv, peace, harmony and neck massages to you all. >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From intense_intensity at xxx.com Fri Dec 11 20:33:29 1998 From: intense_intensity at xxx.com (Intense meaningfullness) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 04:33:29 +0800 (SGT) Subject: Sinister: fish with a difference! Message-ID: <19981211203329.2555.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Hello list! Yes, its me, Sarah, and my email adddress is taking the piss alright...its just the only yahoo address where POP3 actually works.... Weej wroted: Right, this is my last message to the list before I > temporarily unsubscribe to go home. BYE WEEJ!!!!! >I'm > getting a good response to the story game thing (called "exquisite > corpse" What?? Thats a book by Poppy Z Shite. Load of hippy crap her book are. Plot. Two men GET IT ON regulary, and then talk about how it's just so godamed sexy when I cut open your chest and eat your innards. All my goth and wannbe goth friends like the, She also wrote a story about how it would be ace if the beatles had GOT IT ON!!!! Well, Paul and John anyway. "woulnd't paul look so good sucking cock??", YUK!!! Oh yes I'm at Garys right now and he's put on some music with a girlie singer that I dont know. Hmmm. It's Heavenly! Rather twee. Rather fun! disapointingly, Sarah isn't particularly > fluffy at all (*awaits slap*). *SLAP*! Of course I am fluffy and gorgeous! AND I'll have you know WEEJ that MY picture is not up upon the Sinister grown-up peoples page. You must have seen Australian Sez who is still gorgeous but is not me! I is me and I is top banana. I shall send you a picture of me soon. Way and inded, hey! > scrappy-doo involved. I hate scrappy-doo. He RUINED scooby doo. Stupid fucker! Thats all. I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!! Fluffy Sarah who has no grown up photos so ner. _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bcw4977 at xxx.edu Fri Dec 11 22:38:31 1998 From: bcw4977 at xxx.edu (brian) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:38:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: "the cruise"/ witty bus tours Message-ID: someone just said: >> this reminds me of a film i saw not too long ago at the st. louis international film festival..it's called "the cruise" and it's about this new york city tour bus guide named timothy 'speed' levitch who is this amazing, wonderful man. he's a bit of a mystic and incredibly intelligent, and spouts off vast amounts of (humorous and useful) information whilst giving the bus tour. i don't know if the film is going to get distribution or not, but if anyone has the opportunity to see it, i highly recommend it... << don't let the film fool you, folks, this fellow is NOT a nice guy. he comes into the restaurant i work at fairly frequently and pees on the floor in the bathroom. or at least we THINK it's him. he came in to drop off flyers to plug his movie and we all said "aren't you that guy that smears things on the mirrors?" and he left without responding. the quest continues for a positive ID; all the security cameras in the world don't help when the govt says you can't put em in the bathrooms! remember, a truly great bus tour operator would allow his/her greatness to go unsung. bus people are meek, and the meek shall inherit the earth. love brian bcw4977 at is2.nyu.edu if it mentions a bus, it's got belle and sebastian content. really. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chigger88 at xxx.com Sat Dec 12 00:18:38 1998 From: chigger88 at xxx.com (Rachael .) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:18:38 PST Subject: Sinister: nicorette cigarette (hey, it rhymes!) Message-ID: <19981212001839.29348.qmail@hotmail.com> I saw this commercial on Sunday at my friend's house. It was the best thing I have seen since, well, since that Mr. Microphone commercial. A man pulls up to the light in his red sports car. He MUST be successful to drive such an enormous cock car. There's a lip-glossed hot babe waiting for the light to change so she can scurry along to her job at the local massage parlour. Mr. Suave pulls out what looks like a cigarette, but it's not. It's a white plastic tube. He takes a long drag off of it. Looking at her the whole time. The girl on the corner gives him her best come-hither eyes. Hey, but you know what? It's a pretend cigarette. When you inhale, you get a little bit of nicotine, but no stinky smoke. I guess the message is, if you drive a sports car, and you can longer smoke, best to get some ridiculous looking drinking straws that only slightly resemble the real thing. Or alternatively why not just wear a really awful toupee. The message is the same. Now who said American television is crap? Oh, I kid. Rachael ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Sat Dec 12 05:25:37 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:25:37 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Adowabow Izzabeow!! Message-ID: <000501be258f$da6118a0$4811020a@rebelstrange> miss tara sez: Isobel's songs are..cute I guess, but her work just seems slightly immature. there is nothing inherently *wrong* *RROWR!!!* no i'm i'm just scarin ya. i'm not gonna lash out at anyone, haha. I can't have a disagreement with that per se, of course her songs are nto the same style as stuart's, and i've never come out saying she's the new.....er, stuart, or whoever, and i'm sure that her songmaking skills will have a chance to evolve. But i'm just a pushover for pretty music, is that so wrong? her songs are pretty, clever, honest and straightforward, and it makes me happy to hear her voice. it's nothing more complicated than that. and if she does put out her own records (HOORAY PRAISE JESUS LET IT BE!) i will definitely dish out the money for them and enjoy them over and over again. hehe, i mean it doesn't all have to be, emm....you know, like the next lou reed or whatever you call it, it's pretty music and i think it's damn good and i will not be ashamed to say so. but as i've inferred before, I used to be a pretty big madonna fan, i never said i had no book lernin', so let me be!!! d'oh!! Um, Isobel rules and i want to propose to her and she can sing any song she wants in my company, i dont care if it's row row row your boat. Hmmm??? Oh, and anyone who thinks isobel isn't twee, needs glasses or something. I thought of a cartoon, Dottycakes and Pishnibbles, starring in "Twee as Fuck" they travel to the greater NYC Oi! convention and set up a pastel cabana selling their zine, Pretty Pretty Flowers Ebberywhere, and their new single, "I Love the Way those Little Baubles Jangle On Your Plastic Fingers(the Rice Pudding Song)". Dotty is the girly, Pish is the teeny boy. Twee as Fuck is such a daunting way of life to the punkers in their suspenders and tongue rings, who formerly thought they were a bunch of hard-asses but find themselves with battered and bruised egos from the pretty taunts those Twee bastards hurl at them. those little heart candies can hurt like a mother!!! i trust you will all be excited to see Jess's newest creation which will eventually be featured on the Wee world of isobel. it is indeed an Isobel doll, my Very Own isobel doll to be exact. she does bear a somewhat uncanny resemblance to what you might assume the Really Wee Isobel may have looked like back in the days of lollipops and school uniforms (de jure, that is). and WHOA that fashion sense!! coulda fooled me, definitely. i'm very jealous of this doll's outfit, I want one myself. JUst you wait...... aww how adowabow!! today i was incredibly bored and tired. in the library i found some ripped up shreds of a legal pad, in little ragged squares, and to pass the time i drew little isobels all over them, some in Is it Wicked scenes, others in tiger cap, and i wrote tiggerjammies all over them, and Sexy Milk Fiend, and i'm planning to scatter these all over the world when i travel. i left three of them in strategically placed spots on campus today. particularly on a desk where soemone had drawn 3 quite beautiful portraits of pretty girls, one of them looked a lot like bjork, and one looked like an elf queen, and the other one looked a bit like tori amos, but they were really quite elaborately and beautifully done, on a desktop at that. i left my very first Isobel tiggerjammies note on the desk. it says "isobel loves you!!" i've also decided that the special winter dc/belleandsebastian issue of my zine will be subtitled Tiggerjammies. i would almost want to rename it but i've already made up a nice parthenogenesis (PG) logo, and tiggerjammies is well, realy twee. D'OH!!! suffice to say i should be saying tiggerjammies several times a day from now on, or at least thinking about it. when i'm not thinking about the Knees of Sex, that is. (thanks to weejay for the sexy gams picture!) oh when will i ever grow up? lesley jo worrying about expectations rt about now....... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wilde77 at xxx.com Sat Dec 12 04:28:42 1998 From: wilde77 at xxx.com (r. h.) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:28:42 PST Subject: Sinister: robbie......the persons person. Message-ID: <19981212042843.10354.qmail@hotmail.com> wow! politics on the list, who woulda thunk. man i love when someone stirs the shit up and it's not me. you kids have fun talking about that. i'm going to be in a video. and if this silly conversation is still going on when i get back i will unlash on you all with the most filthy smut i can pull out of my ass. and if that doesn't work i'll make brad reply to it. where's the love? or smut, either will do! robbie who has to wake up in 3 hours ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DMBesPhish at xxx.com Sat Dec 12 04:59:39 1998 From: DMBesPhish at xxx.com (DMBesPhish at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:59:39 EST Subject: Sinister: the fairies dance at midnight with you Message-ID: <52a258c3.3671f83b@aol.com> its a silent night tonight. i was just sitting around...talking to one of my friends who just left. parents are sleeping. im listening this one smog album (julius caesar) for the 1st time...and i was compelled to write... quietly sitting alone. i can feel the dollar bill of resolution under my tired palm. the fixtured sounds of beauty and eloquence come running into my memory. such wonder and awe am i decreased to. nothing more. how simple we all are. our lives are so fragile. we live for love and we yield at nothing. fairies dance in our souls and all of lifes moments color in our eyes. such a simple judgement to such a simple mind. not much. perhaps it could be considered as an ink polaroid? ah well. i am dreadfully tired and i still have much of my mail to finish reading so i think i will be going now. good luck to everyone on their way to athens! xo, jackie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TFertig3 at xxx.com Sat Dec 12 06:26:59 1998 From: TFertig3 at xxx.com (TFertig3 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:26:59 EST Subject: Sinister: tiggerjammy content here! Message-ID: <46e173a3.36720cb3@aol.com> Hello list You can all sigh now that I've got my very own TIGGERJAMMY, and I've been a smiling happy girl ever since. Which was about 3 hours ago. It cost me 10 twitting dollars. When did melodies begin to cost so much? Am I possibly the biggest dork in the world, who upon listening to TIGGERJAMMY went promptly to David and Katrina's voting booth and updated my votes? Now that I've said that, don't forget to go there and vote! Right now, Lord Anthony is the most popular, following by Modern Rock Song, followed by Slow Graffiti. Oh I really am pathetic. But oh what a good song Lord Anthony is... oh. Yep, I think the session version of Modern Rock Song is better, but this one is darn darn darn good too. So I won't complain. Who wants the same song over twice anyway? Now we have two different, lovely melodies to rest our souls with. Is Stevie trying to sound like an opera singer? I Know Where the Summer Goes.. not what I was expecting. It's the title resemblence to A Summer Wasting that threw me off. I subconsciously expected something more p!o!p!. I don't know what to call this, but I think I like it. Yes, it's a nice little song. The Gate is not bad as you all have been telling me. It's pretty good, but nothing to get really happy about. I think. Isobel even sounds like Stuart at one point, which can't be bad. I heard Slow Graffiti at the NY show, but there were so many different instruments playing at once that all I could do was gaze at the stage and say 'yes'. But w!o!w! when I listened to the EP. it was so freaking good I could not control myself. The best part is the moment when all the instruments start at once, towards the beginning. Oh and Dorian Gray. I read that this summer, ooh it's good. I had bought it a few years ago, erm.. for the way it looked and put it on the shelf. That's the end of my review. I hope I have not merely restated other people's opinions; I tried not to read too many of your TIGGERJAMMY reviews so as not to spoil the fun. Tami xxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cms247 at xxx.edu Sat Dec 12 08:17:17 1998 From: cms247 at xxx.edu (clint stauffer) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:17:17 -0500 Subject: Sinister: A message from across the pond Message-ID: <3672268D.E151ACD2@is6.nyu.edu> Hello list, I'm usually not the one to contribute but I've just gotten home in a good mood form a night from a night out (it's probably the only time I contribute. Thank alcohol, or damn alcohol depending on your prospective. Oh, well.) Regarding the whole cultural empirialism thing, I don't know what to say. I love being an American but I realize that are so many places that I would like to visit and so many interesting people that I will never meet. I think everyone no matter where they live knows that the songs on the radio may never be what everyone is looking or, but that's not going to stop everyone from listening. All I know is that I'm listening to the new EP and I think it's great. I'm looking forward to the new material (fingers crossed). Anyway, I am jealous of all of the (limited as it may be) TV exposure that B&S get in the UK. I missed their appearance on the American 120 Minutes. Studying or something silly like that. I hope everyone involved with the Athens video has a good time. I think it would be a lot of fun to participate in a thing like that. To all those who'll make the NYC meet-up tomorrow night, hope to see you. mother to the girl I've fallen for, clint +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From redisz at xxx.net Sat Dec 12 09:15:18 1998 From: redisz at xxx.net (geophphersun) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 04:15:18 -0500 Subject: Sinister: saint etienne in chicago... any going ons? Message-ID: <36723426.C23@ameritech.net> hello. my friend angela and i will be traveling from detroit to chicago to see saint etienne tomorrow, and we were wondering if there are any pre or post parties or happenings anywhere? if there is anything going on, please let me know. i'm subscribed to the digest, so... if you could send any info to me personally (and maybe the list too?) it would be appreciated! thanks! and i hope to see you at the show... i will be wearing my fine baby blue study at stow shirt that i bought the last time i was in chicago! goodnight! -jeff "what are you wearing?" - kahimi karie and momus +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alex at xxx.nl Sat Dec 12 10:22:43 1998 From: alex at xxx.nl (alex tobin) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:22:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: bloody thieves! Message-ID: <367243F2.E7EDDFA5@tobin.demon.nl> ok, i am about to present to you one of the most hated questions that any listee would do well to cower in writhing agony from: can someone tape me a copy of tigermilk? it's a fitting twist of fate that, in a year where my life has pretty much been turned topsy-turvy, when our car was stolen last week, those bloody bandits also made of with my copy of tigermilk, backed with the american pbs concert for sessions at west 54th in new york and some radcliffe sessions. add to this, that i've copied the tape for several other people, the irony is somewhat apparent. who knows, maybe i've involuntarily introduced some shady types to the music of b&s, thereby ensuring that a huge bootleg market will pop up working somewhere out of a warehouse in poland... so, dear friends and fellow listees, after this reat long, grating sob of a story, is there anyone out there with a heart, with a grain of compassion, that could share a little taped copy of tigermilk with me? if not, things might be looking up if, in fact, it may be scheduled for a spring 99 release on cd... cheers, alex +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rwjf1 at xxx.uk Sat Dec 12 03:32:51 1998 From: rwjf1 at xxx.uk (Robert Fisk) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:32:51 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: Sinister: Land of The Free. In-Reply-To: <01BE2502.97EC4A40@SANDRA> Message-ID: Hi everyone, I know I've been attacked on this list before for writing stuff and either not explaining what I mean or it just being shit, I'll try again. I'm an English person currently studying American Studies. It's not because I favour one country over the other or stuff like that. I like the USA as a country and also I like the people that live there. I guess I wanted to study it for four years because I believe that both countries have a lot to offer each other. In some ways it's like that with Belle & Sebastian. We can all listen to the same track but all have different interpretations and views on it, by combining and contrasting these views we are able to enrich our liking of Belle & Sebastian. Anyway that's all I have to say for now, I just hope that you lot don't hate me - like you did last time - for my ramblings. Happy Christmas everyone, Robert ---------------------- Robert Fisk rwjf1 at ukc.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alex at xxx.nl Sat Dec 12 14:22:23 1998 From: alex at xxx.nl (alex tobin) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:22:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: time on yer hands? Message-ID: <36727C1E.391E22CC@tobin.demon.nl> hello again! yep, never thought i'd be posting quite as much since my return to the list, but there you go... (for the political record: i'm an anglophile american, living in europe, and my name is not bill bryson. so...). i have a modest little website that looks alright, but i find it to be lacking somewhat in content. my ultimate goal is to come up with a sort of e-zine, covering all the basics: music, film, literature, travel, fiction, etc. although i have a journalistic background, i could always use one more thing: time. therefore, if anyone is interested in contributing anything at all - words, pics, what have you - to the page, we could get something up and running. i've been sitting on my duff for far too long, and now it's time to get those creative juices... erm... flowing again. so, like i said, anything: little reviews, paintings of clouds, even a good link or two, pics... anything. living here in holland, i become increasingly aware of the lack of sinister folk around, so this might be a great way to collaborate and get to know one another (god, i'm sounding awfully formal here!). by the way, so far the little page is at http://www.tobin.demon.nl (shameless plug, alex!)... and don't come barking up my tree if you see the odd lifted .jpg or .gif! I AM NOT A COMPUTER GEEK!!! there, i've said it. love and kisses, alex alex at tobin.demon.nl http://www.tobin.demon.nl +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Sat Dec 12 12:41:42 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:41:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: RV: Love From Jordi XXX Message-ID: <01be25cc$c542d480$8b4805c3@itjfvkli> > > Hello everybody: > > Mister Peter Miller brought you my review of the Hefner + Cuba + Jack gig >that I attended last monday and which was sent to him in spanish. Here is >how the thing went. > > I arrived at the club at 21:00, and, with no more than 50-70 people being >there, I noticed a boy with this typical student glasses, without realising >that I was looking to Darren from Hefner. Has anyone ever seen the TV serie >"Parker Lewis never lose" (I think it was called that way) ? I think that >it?s not cruel to say that Darren looks like Jerry more than Austin Powers. >15 minutes later their gig began, a short set of beautiful songs. Darren?s >voice made me think of Stephen Malkmus?s one, isn?t it ?. > We have to keep our trust in a band which has only released some singles >(is it true, isn?t it?), but Cuba seemed to me more like a combination of >electronic noise with The Lighthouse Family. Their singer threw the >microphon stand and it almost hit to one camera from the local Barcelona >TV. It was interesting to see Darren from Hefner dancing, and at the end of >their gig he and the other two Hefner members appeared on the stage, making >a final song with five guitars. > Another camera told me that the gig had to be finished at 00:00, and so >Jack were only allowed to do seven songs, but it was really a great gig. >Yes, they ROCK, except for the end, singing "Nico?s children". If there is >any real Jack fan in the list, he/she would be interested to know that I >keep the piece of paper with their set-list and two of their guitar >plectrums > > > I don?t know if you remember that I was trying to create a B&S zine in >spanish. The first number is almost finished, but I need to check >something: > > -David/Katrina: I have made a translation to spanish of all of the IYFS >songs. Can I have some legal troubles if I put this at the zine ? > > -If I can make it, I would like to ask anybody in the list to sent some >interpretations of "The boy done..." "Mayfly" and "Judy", because I >accidentally deleted some mails about them. > > If there is someone who wants to make the effort of improving his/her >spanish while reading to the zine, please E-Mail me. > >In my CD player: the recently bought Field Mice compilation. > > > 0291942a01 at abonados.cplus.es > > > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Sat Dec 12 15:04:06 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:04:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sarah Laddered Isobel's Tights On Purpose! Message-ID: <01be25e0$aa342a40$8b4805c3@itjfvkli> Dearly beloved, We are gathered here today in the sight of Honey to bid a fond farewell to Beth, aka Madame Cholet, the saucy French womble cook who regularly serviced Great Uncle Bulgaria until he was forced to undergo extradition proceedings brought by the Clangers. It was at this point that Madame Cholet drowned her sorrows by seducing Orinoco, the only wrinkly nosed womble to have remained a virgin up that point. In the confusion that followed, Orinoco lost the will to post regularly to the Belle and Sebastian Mailing List, subsequent posts arriving at six month intervals, packed with on-topic facts. The loss of Beth is a great blow to the list. We will never see her like again. But life goes on. Who called WeeJay a homosexual? And who suggested that Lesley J needed a jolly good seeing to? Was it the same person? Is Northy back? Whoever it was, as Adrian might say, I have to meet you! I sometimes feel that the list has outlived its uselessness, but stuff like that soon cheers me up! Incidentally, for the benefit of Lesley J and anyone else tormented by lustful thoughts of Isobel in school uniform, there were pictures of her in that particular saucy get-up in Spanish magazine Rock Deluxe, after the legendary Barcelona concert last September. I think she must have had long hair up until shortly before then, there must be photos of her Sandy Denny period somewhere. Can anyone help? The Wee World of Worship is sadly incomplete without one. Still a good read though, and proof that it is still possible to come up with something a bit diferent about B&S. Speaking of which, our local paper have decided to mark the release of the new EP by reviewing the last album. Apparently it sounds like it was composed in the Glasgow countryside and the music smells of moss. The NME website contained some information about a week ago which was attributed to a Jeepster "spokeswoman". I wonder who it was? I'm already excited about the next album, I think it'll be crap. I hope so anyway. Just for a laugh. I hope Stuart gets a vocoder. I don't really think it'll be crap. But it might be. I might pretend it is anyway. Still haven't got TWATJAMMERS. Pumpkiny-Wumpkiny, Have I Told You Lately That I Love You? Do I get a prize for that? Speaking of prizes, I know who Vinicius de Moraes is, even though I probably don't know how to spell it. He's the Bard of Bossa Nova, the man who supplied the lyrics for many of Antonio Carlos Jobim's classic songs, including THAT one. He also appears to have collaborated with the founder of the Scout buggering movement, Baden Powell. There are also plenty of records by V de M as a performer, usually together with loads of other people, such as Quarteto Em Cy. I don't know if they're any good, it's the kind of thing I pick up and put back down again, because I'm scared to risk shelling out for it. Any information, from Ivo or others, would be gratefully received. I bought Tribute to Jackie Mittoo, the Jamaican keyboard wizard. I haven't listened to it yet, but there are some fantastic photos, lots of them taken in Toronto. Mister Mittoo seems to have favoured afros over dreadlocks. Splendid, splendid! I watched "Seven" because Richard Roundtree's in it, but he doesn't get to do much. I thought he was going to be the murderer as well, but it wasn't to be. I bet he passed on loads of bird-pulling tips to Brad Pitt. Thank you Gary for a nice picture of Santa adding another log to the fire, the mucky pup. WeeJay pointed out that Tag and Keith always have the same opinions. I would like to point out that I have the same opinions too, I just pretend to have different ones sometimes, to confuse the enemy. Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From evanbear at xxx.com Sat Dec 12 10:22:02 1998 From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:22:02 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Some boys are bigger than others References: <01be2254$7479f720$0100007f@localhost> <366D616D.19313915@emerson.edu> Message-ID: <367243B7.7F98@javanet.com> whoohoo OP8 that album is absolutely amazing Lisa does lotsa wunnerful singing on it im in love with her so she cant do much wrong (other music girls im in love with: Edith Frost, Sarah (of b&s of course), Jessy Greene (of Geraldine Fibbers, Jayhawks, Golden Smog), and Amanda Brown (Go-Betweens) (even though she must be old now) um anyway that album is godly, as is anything with J, J, and H (john convertino, joey burns, howe gelb) i assume you guys know Giant Sand, Calexico and other perm-mutations of those three amazing human beans um....i had something else to say i think... oh the pop star i saw recently was Joe Pernice of Scud Mtn Boys and Pernice Bros. chances are i already told this story but i feel like telling it again cause it makes me laugh i used to work at the local siniplex movie theatre and he came to the concession stand and i said, "I love your new album" he jumped backwards and looked at me funny and said "thanks" i said "i thought that might surprise you" he said "yeah it did, ill take a medium popcorn and a small coke" oh and i see other local musicians all the time like Frank the replacemrnt bassist from scud mtn boys and a new rocking band called King Radio, fun pop stuff with typical mediocre pop lyrics but pretty music all around i also see Peyton pinkerton from New Radiant Storm King, everuone from the Maggies (local pop band who are fun with a bouncy bass player) and lots of other people that hardly anyone on here has prolly heard of ok thats it for this post -----ev np-Ciao Bella (anyone heard these guys? they're wunnerful) -- I'm just a shy boy sitting in a house When everyone's gone >From now on ----Mark Eitzel: "Blue And Grey Shirt" http://www.angelfire.com/ma/dixiecluck +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From travelling_light at xxx.com Sat Dec 12 15:28:03 1998 From: travelling_light at xxx.com (Kin Woo) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:28:03 PST Subject: Sinister: PLEA to all you good good people in London... and as I gaze into my crystal ball Message-ID: <19981212152804.4138.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello sinisterines As I gaze into my crystal ball, here is some stuff that makes me very excited about the new year. New Belle and Sebastian stuff ( any and always) *finally* new stuff from the elusive Dot Allison from One Dove any new stuff by Tanya Donelly a Beta Band album new stuff from Radiohead and err some more that I can't think of at the moment:) All sinisterines living in England at the moment. I need your help and advice. What are the best second hand shops in London??? I'm desperately searching for old One Dove, Belly, Air and St Et stuff. What record shops have quite a lot of rare and limited edition stuff? Also, since I'm poor what are some really cool second-hand clothing shops to visit? And generally funky places that I should pay homage to when I'm there. I wanna soak up all the great things I've been hearing and reading about London from mags like The Face and Select. So please send in your hard-earned info. Either to me personally at daftpunk at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (my uni address) or even to the list. p.s. i am so jealous of all those lucky people in Athens, Georgia who got that very nice invitation from one of the listees, (i forgot the name:( to star in the Dirty Dream vid!!! that's be so cool. if only i could somehow be part of it. but no, i have to live in Perth... the most 'isolated state in the world':( Musn't grumble, it's undignified, well hope to hear from some of you peeps soon! seeya, Kin Woo With A Star Upon Your Shoulder Lighting Up The Path As You Walk ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Sat Dec 12 06:32:34 1998 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:32:34 -0500 Subject: Sinister: GRLKJTGIPGHVJHKHRGORGRHDHGXXX Message-ID: <36720E02.9129F062@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Hullo, Just an hour ago I was informed that I very well may be putting on a Santa costume while little toddlers and babies sit on my knee tomorrow. I will more than likely have to go "Ho Ho HO" and say things of that sort, but I really hope that the regular Santa shows up. If not I will get a picture and send it in to Honey for the picture page, which has blossomed quite nicely as of late... So yesterday I was in the car with my mom, getting ready to do some Christmas shopping. We were listening to the oldies station in the car, something I do quite often, and a song came on that reminded me of B&S quite a bit. Lovely organ bits that also sounded like Felt, soul-sounding bassline, and no vocals to make me immediately recognize it wasn't B&S. I asked my mom who it was, and it turns out it was Booker T. & the MGs. So I bought one of their CDs and it's quite nice. I couldn't find that song, but I am pleased regardless. Mike Caught in Flux wrote: > Forget the summer, I want to know where the winter's gone. It's > mid-December and still the temperature's in the 50s. I want cold > weather, dammit. Well, I'm with Mike. I want SNOW! Snow....Snoooow....SNOOOOW (repeat a la White Christmas). The closest I got was lots of frost on my car this morning. That's well and good but it better stay this way, or I'm going to find the person in charge of the weather here in the US and smack them around until they give us proper weather. 60's indeed! Hmph. Speaking of the US, I've ignored this whole UK vs. US thread, and will continue to do so. It's sad to see Beth go, and I hope this list doesn't go the way of the other list I was on that she quit. In more pleasant news, I ordered my copy of the new EP yesterday. They said it would be here tuesday or wednesday. Also got that Ballroom CD, so I hope it's as good as the Millenium. I think I'm getting the Sagittarius CD for Christmas too, in fact I'm almost positive about it. I've decided that I need a B&S tape for my car. Well, other than Tigermilk of course. I decided I would make a tape of my favorite songs...but then I realized I ought to wait until I get the new EP, so I will. But, I think this is a good idea, as I always end up listening to my tapes more than my CDs, since I have so many more CDs, and usually am too lazy to switch the tapes around in my car much. Has anyone else done this, or am I a pioneering little Sinisterine...? On the subject of the as-yet-to-be-released EP & album, it seems to me that there are lots of references to the next album being recorded soon, but none to the EP being recorded soon. That makes me think the EP already has been. Anyone remember Stuart posting about how they'd just recorded "Paper Boat," and then another post about them recording an as-yet-unnamed song? I was thinking, though, they'd better get to writing songs soon! After all, they seem to have played most of the songs off of DJMARSBAR and TWATTYBUS at shows long before they were released. So I ask you, where are these songs for this new EP & album going to come from? Evidently they have enough for an EP: Lord Anthony, Wrong Girl, the aforementioned Paper Boat and the lovely lovely Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner. That's four there. But what of the album? Will they resurrect Rhoda? The instrumental Tigermilk? Some old Struan demos? Maybe they'll record some of these covers they've been playing live... Maybe they'll do an album of Average White Band covers. But regardless, we have no idea what the album will sound like, which is really a first, isn't it? /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - bp224995 at ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | - Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nickdastoor at xxx.com Sat Dec 12 15:35:54 1998 From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:35:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: I'm so ashamed Message-ID: <19981212153554.22547.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> >My idea for what 'skipping acts' means: Thank you all for politely ignoring this faux pas. How could I have confused "skipping tickets" with "counting acts"? What a fool. I have no idea what's involved in counting acts at all. I think it sounds nice though and maybe that's all that matters. "Skipping reels of rhyme" is nice too. Oh no - that wasn't Isobel's was it? I'm always confusing her with Bob Dylan. I get Lisa Goddard and Jane Asher confused too. And Keith and Tag. Bye for now. Nicholas xxx _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From evanbear at xxx.com Sat Dec 12 11:57:30 1998 From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:57:30 +0000 Subject: Sinister: i exist again, (replies)" (long but read dangit) Message-ID: <36725A0B.6DE3@javanet.com> hello all im back after my getting my puter fixed, i coukldnt send email from my parents puter but ive been reading stuff so i have lots of responses bottled up inside reading to go boom i wont rehash anything too old or dead, this'll be pretty long so if you dont wanna read anything i say sskip ahead to the music i bought because there might be something cool you wanna get as for tweepop and that whole business: i always tell people that B&s are charm pop, pop bands that rely on their endless charm and which shows in their music, plus it makes me think of lollypops i have no idea if that is a common term or not but it works for me a lot of indie pop falls into that category, it describes more the feel than the actual music, i would put Promise Ring and Cursive into that category and they certainly aint much like B&s except that they both kick booty what else... oh about Fuck, im confused that their new record is not being worshiped as it is by me Laundry Shop is a stunningly perfect pop song, very simple with amazing harmonies and a catchy as hell hook, just too damn short i have the first two Fuck discs and conduct but not Pardon My French because i keep meaning to getting around to ordering teh special hand made version from the band instead of the boring Matawhore packaging but i should prolly give in and get the regular release Fuck is very high on my best of list for 98, im not happy that i missed them in Boston a while ago but i had stuff to do and no time (grr on school says i) ok thats all the topics i wanted to respond to so heres stuff all my own: this is a list of the many albums I've acquired since last i posted, i think its complete and in rough chronological order i might have already mentioned the first few but i dont htink so (*=vinyl) --Martin Newell-Greatest Living Gentleman (whoohoo anybody have any early tapes Brotherhood Of Lizards, Cleaners From Venus or anything else? ill trade my first born) --David J-Urban Urbane (fun fun glad his solo is much more like Jazz Butcher than glove and sprockets --Dirty 3-Sad And Dangerous* (randomly found it its their out of print 1st album for those who didnt know and cared) --Songs:Ohia-Impala* (bootiful) bought at Other Music: --Orange Juice-Rip It Up (not as perfect as You Cant Hide Your Love but the second half is pretty cool) --Ciao Bella-{ST} (very fun charm pop, the first second song on the album called How Low has the spifffiest little guitar riff that make sme dance) --Secret Square-{ST} (havent really listened tyo it yet) --Felt-me and A Monkey On the Moon (finally i really know what the fus is all aabout glad to have one of the poppy albums finally) --Cursive-The Storms of Early Summer (not quite as amazing as the first album but like IYFS its almost impossible to satisfy mee with a follow up) --Lullaby For Thee Working Class-Hypnotist EP (i thought wounded spider was gorgeous on the album, the live version on this is beyond words) --Field Mice-Where'd You Learn To Kiss That Way (kind of uneven as most comps are but some amazing stuff on it for sure) --Gerbils-Are YoU sleepy?* (two of the best songs to come from Elephant 6 on here "you know portastatic is still my favorite band" im a sucka for indie refernces, another great line: "your nose smells just like a nose, your ears sound just like ears, your lips tastes sweeter than the sugar on my spoon, and id like to lick them again" (paraphrased so dont yell at me if i made a mistake) bought around here: --Tullycraft-City Of Subarus (Secret Stars combined with Fuck on hyperdrive ("they say that i ddont know you, but i say that i do, kneee high socks and diet softdrinks, im convinced that i love you") --Of montreal-The Bedside Drama a Petite Tragedy (bets damn kazoo solo this year, and best song about a bee, and best barbershop quartet singing, very soft and silly silly) --King radio-Mr. k Is Dead Go Home (the lead singer for this band always ordered Kid's Packs when i worked at the theatre, it show sin the music) --The Maggies-Homesick (fun pop rock stuff, random lyrics that arent sposed to mean anything but nice harmonies and they're really fun live (bounciest happiest bass player ive ever seen) --Silver Jews-American Water (havent listened yet) --Lily's-Better Can't Make Your Life Better (FINALLY the only Lily's album i can never find, finally did) --True Love Always-Hopefully (anyone heard these guys? they are so great, mellow jazzy indie pop, ida without the girl sining and they never scream (feel reminds me of first couple fuck releases, then again so do a lot of things) phew thats it, hope you stayed with cause a lot of people here would did these bands esp. True Love Always oh and the reason i got some much: these were by x-mas presents (my parents gave me my x-mas money early sincce i was going to nyc but i didnt spend it all there -----ev np-True Love Always-Hopefully (amazingly bootiful, nothing bad about the record that i can tell) -- I'm just a shy boy sitting in a house When everyone's gone >From now on ----Mark Eitzel: "Blue And Grey Shirt" http://www.angelfire.com/ma/dixiecluck +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Sat Dec 12 18:36:26 1998 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1998 18:36:26 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Rabbits vs. Clotted Cream Message-ID: <199812121837.SAA17013@freebsd.saqnet.co.uk> chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/tiger/ I'm in favour of rabbits. Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Sat Dec 12 19:48:17 1998 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:48:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: i'm going to be late, but that's never stopped me before Message-ID: hi all you know, nothing annoys me more than people who reply immediately to emails. you write them a nice little email after about four weeks, then they have the nerve to reply to it within one afternoon, leaving you another four weeks with that same damned email to reply to. i think people *want* me to have more to do. anyway, i'm updating my webpage and it will be chock full of facts. and buses. because buses are cute, but jeepster can't threaten legal action because as yet i don't think anyone has copyrighted pictures of buses. whew. yes, i'm in a particularly troublesome mood today because i'm going to spend the afternoon editing my great opus, which was going to be the entry to the dirty dream video contest. but it's going to have the song anyway, cause it's kind of intrinsic to the idea now. the good thing is, if it sucks, the band doesn't have to see it and laugh over a what a pathetic loser i am. my film class can do that quite nicely thank you. so i plan on being at the meetup tongiht. i'll be the girl lying in the corner, screaming about how buffy is the love child of peter miller and isobel (don't get jealous lesley). xox megan mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu visit the magnetic fields web page at: http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mctag at xxx.com Sat Dec 12 22:05:51 1998 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:05:51 GMT Subject: Sinister: Nah, he's been in the school orchestra for over a year Message-ID: <3672e08e.19334618@post.demon.co.uk> Sinisterines, Some wry observations from the past few days: Rabbits and clotted cream, what's that all about then? Was it supposed to be funny? It wasn't. It was a waste of my time. Still, there's a lot of it about. WeeJay, has it occured to you that the reason that Keith and I always have the same opinions is because we're both right? More American bashing? I'm not getting involved. It was crap last time and it's crap this time. In case you haven't noticed, I'm crabby and I'm tired. We had to wait two hours for a cab in Manchester city centre last night, every single fucking office party in the North West was finishing just as we reached the front of the queue. On a brighter note, we had, however, been to see the Pastels, which softened the blow somewhat. I do dearly love the Pastels. I love the fact that they can create something utterly poignant while sounding on the verge of musically falling apart. I like their Silver Jews cover. I like Stephen's crap dancing. They've got a new instrumental song with flutes and fluttering guitars and it's quite the most beautiful thing. Also Goldmine, Manchester's legendaty soul shop has re-opened in smart new premises. It's called Beatin' Rhythm and it's full of great records. Today, I topped up my collection of Dead Boyfriend ballads. I would list every record I'd bought, but that would be boring, wouldn't it? Wouldn't it? Seeing the Pastels got me thinking about school orchestras. I wish I'd joined one now, but I can play one finger piano and that's about it. I couldn't even play the recorder, like the spoilt kids who got off freezing their goolies off on a football pitch during double games did. But where would we be without them? The combination of a teenage love of the Velvet Underground and a talent in the string section seems to have come up trumps a few times. Keith's conspiracy theory about the Melody Maker piece and the "mole" amongst us was interesting considering the article was written by one Ian WATSON. No relation, I suppose? I liked your post about Leith, Keith. Is that near Cowdenbeath, Keith? Don't forget to brush your teeth, Keith. These and other poems are to be found in my new book, "Juvenile and Foppish", which I'll be promoting at Paramount Book Exchange in the near future. Dandy Don John got me that, he's become very pally with the guy who works there since he started satisfying his appetite "specialist" vintage Danish magazines that they sell there. Beth, you'll be sadly missed, but I think I understand. Love Tag xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lonelyhighway at xxx.com Sat Dec 12 22:28:49 1998 From: lonelyhighway at xxx.com (Corpora Arenacea) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:28:49 PST Subject: Sinister: XXX Scandinavian Massive Facial Cumshotz #2 Message-ID: <19981212222850.29000.qmail@hotmail.com> Hey...! I just checked the listcrush page and I actually =lost= the three votes I'd had before.... retracted... snatched away! I'm not even gonna ask "What did I say?" I'm just gonna say it. But yeah, first maaadd brizznolic props to Ms. P-Bot, well, first for begging on my behalf (prolly more eloquently than I ever could) but more importantly for showing me that even the most twee lippgloss-streaked soul can recognize the greatness of Burzum and Kyuss.... booyacka! It was the first time in my friggin' life that I didn't have =enough= Black Metal..... you never want the dirty dream to end, do you? Freakishly large record collection or not. I'll show you freakishly large..... dammit! I'm tired of English people assuming I'm a retard 'cause I happen to share an accent with Brenda from 90210 (not wrongly, just the wrong reason to think I'm retarded). I'm sick of American listees trying (admirably, I'd think) and vainly to copy the slang of their marooned counterparts. Dagnabbit pilgrims be proud of yer twaaaayangs. We gave the world Big Star, and David Bowie gave the world the rooster mullet. Stand tall. With that said Ian's just further terrified me for my upcoming trip to GB. I'm even more scared of attempting to attend the Glasgow meetup. I don't think I'll even understand a word anyone's saying, I remember I had to call Scotland once to order a kilt for my brother's birthday, it was like bartering for llamas with a Tibetan. That's it. I'm just gonna ride a double-decker bus for two weeks. Straight. O.K. here was my theory for the "director's cut" Dirty Dream video. It's got that beat, right, like a Temptations song, or "Dancing in the Streets"? So yeah, we can still have the self-effacing videos of cardie-swaddled American wannabees and slo-mo of Truffaut's tomb and whatever, right, but on every "tink" of that "tink tink tink tink" beat we have an ejaculation, like, a different one every time, so the whole three-minute video is like, spurt! spurt! spurt! spurt! Well, maybe it's dumb, but it's =mine=. And it's real, real dirty. I mean, of all the Belle and Sebastian songs that I think of that have that rhythm, you know, in, out, in, out, in, up, out, down, this is the one for doing the nasty. Dammit. Typing with one hand is slow! -Eran ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From evanbear at xxx.com Sat Dec 12 17:50:28 1998 From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:50:28 +0000 Subject: Sinister: me a musician? Message-ID: <3672ACE4.5185@javanet.com> i forgot to respond to the musician question i dunno if id call myself a musician, maybe more so recently i sing, perty good though a limited range within comfort zone, and sanity zone i can do wacko vibrato but i sound like a raving loonie i dont play guitar because chords are too complicated i dont like using many fingers at once, i play bass fairly well though i havent practiced in awhile, i like slides, especially on my bass it makes cool little noises i play violin and ive actually done so successfully lately since i put away the sheet music and started playing along to my poems which have been slowly metamorphisizing into songs lately i spose my music if i had something to record more than my singing or violin on would sound like Elliot Smith, i have the annoying habit of making cuplets out of everything if i dont have a melody to follow, and maybe a less cool nick drake when i breathe too much i use too much vibrato anyway thats prolly more info than anyone wanted i wont really considermyself a musician until i have one of the instruments i really want to play: singing saw, pedal steel, theremin but im too poor to buy anything like that guess thats it, i need to be in a band badly, because i have trouble ccoming up with melodies that arent inherent in the words kay ill shut up now ive said enough today ----Ev np-Silver Jews-American Water, these guys sound like a more typical type indie version of Giant Sand, esp the singer and some of the lyrics, and that is a very good thing, the world needs more good giant sand sounding bands damnit -- I'm just a shy boy sitting in a house When everyone's gone >From now on ----Mark Eitzel: "Blue And Grey Shirt" http://www.angelfire.com/ma/dixiecluck +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TheAdwiz at xxx.com Sun Dec 13 02:18:50 1998 From: TheAdwiz at xxx.com (TheAdwiz at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:18:50 EST Subject: Sinister: B&S PBS session Message-ID: <3ef40fcd.3673240a@aol.com> Perhaps David or Katrina could answer this: Awhile ago B&S were scheduled to do a session at 54th st for PBS. it was never aired and i'm not sure what exactly happened. Did it happen and does anyone have a copy of it? i was waiting to see it, i watched very saturday night for it but it never came. What happened? CAn anyone answer this? Am i asking alot of questions? -Arye (means lion) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ianmacdonald at xxx.net Sun Dec 13 03:55:48 1998 From: ianmacdonald at xxx.net (Ian MacDonald) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:55:48 -0000 Subject: Sinister: B&S Where ? & Why ? How? Message-ID: <199812130354.DAA20436@boober.lineone.net> Having thrust myself upon the list in a blaze of racial controversy , can I ask the list the more pertinent/interesting question are B&S a product(anti?) of their environment? Why and how do they relate to me/you? Is Glasgow/Scotland the catalyst(anti?) Could B&S come from, Hiroshima? Nebraska? Prague? Linlithgow? Alaska ? etc. ? etc.? Or is it just due to pure animal lust on your part? If you answered YES to the last question, you are a sad bastard and deserve the punishment of at least 10 years sex with the B&S beast of your fanciful desire. Personally, my infatuation of B&S came from what I perceive to be their Love/Kaleidoscope (UK) sound and the associated memories/feelings that brought back. .The Scottishness was an unexpected bonus. Their reticence is disappointing. Topically, I did once have a dream of being on the legendary Aberdeen number 6 Torry-Foresterhill "beaver" bus that the members of B&S caught one sunny Sunday dream inspired morning. In this bus driven coma, I was unable to breathe under the combined weight of B&S arse. Isobels bum may look like it would have the weight and texture of angel delight ( with a slight hint of digestive crunch) but in the dream dimesion has the weight of your granny's finest(?) fairy cakes in the pre-War Cookeen days and all the alluring aroma of one too many fried Stonhaven turnips. The rest of the band were too far too shy to pass wind in my dream. Well that was my dream and this is my fantasy: A release of a post devolution a joint Y2K/CD ROM release of a Edinburgh 2000 party album icluding covers of Black Laces"Och ya Doo", Frank McAvennies, " The Birdy Song", the Queens Mum's cover of " I want to Live Forever"(reprise), Bruce Forsyths "The Bonny Bonny Golf Courses of Loch Lomond", the Popes hearfelt version of "Glory,Glory we will follow Rangers" and climaxing in a cover "Ace of Spades" recorded toally throuh the twisting of the handlebars of the 3 speed grifter. Can I add that if in future if anybody on the list takes offence with anything posted can they respond privately to the twat that started it rather than bore all with the repercussions that few give two monkeys about? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Sun Dec 13 12:05:30 1998 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1998 12:05:30 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Nah, he's been in the school orchestra for over a year Message-ID: <199812131206.MAA01219@freebsd.saqnet.co.uk> chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/tiger/ Rabbits and clotted cream certainly are not funny. It's a serious issue that I felt needed raising. By writing this you are simply reducing it to meaningless drivel. Chris Jones. ---------- From: Robert McTaggart To: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Sinister: Nah, he's been in the school orchestra for over a year Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 10:05 PM Sinisterines, Some wry observations from the past few days: Rabbits and clotted cream, what's that all about then? Was it supposed to be funny? It wasn't. It was a waste of my time. Still, there's a lot of it about. WeeJay, has it occured to you that the reason that Keith and I always have the same opinions is because we're both right? More American bashing? I'm not getting involved. It was crap last time and it's crap this time. In case you haven't noticed, I'm crabby and I'm tired. We had to wait two hours for a cab in Manchester city centre last night, every single fucking office party in the North West was finishing just as we reached the front of the queue. On a brighter note, we had, however, been to see the Pastels, which softened the blow somewhat. I do dearly love the Pastels. I love the fact that they can create something utterly poignant while sounding on the verge of musically falling apart. I like their Silver Jews cover. I like Stephen's crap dancing. They've got a new instrumental song with flutes and fluttering guitars and it's quite the most beautiful thing. Also Goldmine, Manchester's legendaty soul shop has re-opened in smart new premises. It's called Beatin' Rhythm and it's full of great records. Today, I topped up my collection of Dead Boyfriend ballads. I would list every record I'd bought, but that would be boring, wouldn't it? Wouldn't it? Seeing the Pastels got me thinking about school orchestras. I wish I'd joined one now, but I can play one finger piano and that's about it. I couldn't even play the recorder, like the spoilt kids who got off freezing their goolies off on a football pitch during double games did. But where would we be without them? The combination of a teenage love of the Velvet Underground and a talent in the string section seems to have come up trumps a few times. Keith's conspiracy theory about the Melody Maker piece and the "mole" amongst us was interesting considering the article was written by one Ian WATSON. No relation, I suppose? I liked your post about Leith, Keith. Is that near Cowdenbeath, Keith? Don't forget to brush your teeth, Keith. These and other poems are to be found in my new book, "Juvenile and Foppish", which I'll be promoting at Paramount Book Exchange in the near future. Dandy Don John got me that, he's become very pally with the guy who works there since he started satisfying his appetite "specialist" vintage Danish magazines that they sell there. Beth, you'll be sadly missed, but I think I understand. Love Tag xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BCiccodico at xxx.com Sun Dec 13 16:43:14 1998 From: BCiccodico at xxx.com (BCiccodico at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:43:14 EST Subject: Sinister: asking for TIGERMILK Message-ID: Is anybody can record me a tape of Tigermilk. I have been looking for it for years.Please You can answer me at : simonyeah at hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mart at xxx.uk Sun Dec 13 22:09:25 1998 From: mart at xxx.uk (Martin Horsfield) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:09:25 +0000 Subject: Sinister: rock and roll is here to stay, it will never go away Message-ID: Hiya kids, I was so busy last week that I've had to bin a week's worth of digests, but I'm back now, bringing some semblance of organisation to my 'interupt mode' existence. Good to see that Evan's still banging on about Giant Sand and OP8. I played their version of 'Round And Round' last night after a typically frazzled, semi-mythical night in the life of our band, Matinee. It started with Nick turning up with a pizza and a great new song 'Safari', dedicated to his girlfriend, Sara. Next to show was Michael, with a suitcase of recording gear and the fantastic new Grand Drive single ('Wrong Notes'). We set up and took all day to demo up three songs, before our old mate John came round and we decided to pop up to the Garage to meet up with his brother Mick.... Now I've never liked the Pastels, but as we sat setting the world to rights with Mick's pal, Damo out of Randy (!), whose brother Kieron I subsequently knew from way back, it became clear that something was afoot in the Minibar. Tjinder out of Cornershop was there, as were assorted ex-BMX Bandits and lo-fi luminaries (last week down at ULU, it was the same - Michael actually talked to that young Elliott Smith!). Mike and Damo hit the Garage, John went home (domestic scenes) while me and Michael finished our pints. As we made for the door, who should we see grinning characteristically but Gerry Love. Only then did it sink in that the Pastels had been playing... After five minutes catching up with Gerry and passing on Matinee's details for him or Johnnie Smillie to come down and stay for the weekend, we finally repaired to the indie disco at the Garage. Mick was utterly wankered and got involved in a moshpit calamity (which he attributes to Steve Lamacq!), while Michael was showing signs oof fatigue (no wonder after lugging those suitcases up to my place). Me and Damo talked relentlessly about Brian Wilson and Neil Young (interputed only by Mick coming over and bellowing to everyone "I FUCKIN' HATE T-REX I DO"). By the time we were ready to crash at mine, Mick and Michael were sleeping like babies in the Garage, which would have made a very ironic photograph. Of course, tea, toast and acoustic guitars came into play back at Matinee mansions (though Damo only got his wish - to hear Wild Honey and Sail On Sailor - around 5am. It was Grand Drive and minidiscs of Pink Floyd up to then). We then got up early next morning and demoed up another song, 'Thoroughly Modern' (one of mine!), to which the ebullient but still addled Welshman added off-kilter harmonies. Finally, after more Stephen Duffy and Grand Drive, we called it a day and slipped out to the White Bear for a drink and a ponder. I dpn't know if there any conclusion to be drawn from all this except that I fucking love rock and roll and that hopefully Matinee and Randy will continue the great work laid before them by Belle and Sebastian and Gorky's Zygotic Mynci repectively. Yours, Martin Horsfield, overcome by hapiness PS/Stevie Trousers, did you like the tape I sent you? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kleonard at xxx.edu Sun Dec 13 05:28:31 1998 From: kleonard at xxx.edu (Kirk Leonard) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:28:31 +1000 Subject: Sinister: 'Ello all Message-ID: Hey there, I'm a new member on the list, but have been listening since about a month after IYFS came out, and I still to this day call that my favorite album, and also believe that it saved my life. I'm looking forward to finding out info about the band and such, and getting to know some cool people here... Other than B&S my favorite bands are Guided by Voices, Hefner, Elvis Costello, Posies, Big Star, Pixies, blah blah blah. Basically I love most everything I can get my hands on. I go to CSU Chico college in California, and work for the radio station,a nd should have a show or two next semester. Anyways, I'm just writing to say hi to y'all, and intoduce myself. Peace, beast, Krrrk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From user at xxx.com Sun Dec 13 21:50:44 1998 From: user at xxx.com (Errington/Woodman) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:50:44 -0000 Subject: Sinister: They say that WeeJay is back ("I never knew that he'd been gone") Message-ID: Yes, it's me. Ignore the header - I could change it, and I will, but I've started to write this now so it's *too late* No idea what you've all been talking about (no digests have arrived yet) but I have a couple of things to say anyway. Firstly, Content! Oh yes, I'm making a B&S tape for my (13 year old) sister and she's selecting her favorite tracks for me to put on. So far she's been very keen on 'The State I Am In,' 'We Rule The School' and 'Seeing Other People'. Yes, I was surprised too. I've left '3...6...9' at college though, so that isn't good at all. What else...? Oh yes, the story thing - I'm thinking of putting forward the start date to wednesday or something, so if you're interested I'd get in quick... And if you have written to me and I haven't replied then either (a) you dd it today and I haven't read it yet or (b) you sent it to my college address. if (b) then send it here and doh! Anyway, anyway, WeeJay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Pat Errington, pat at twopounds.u-net.com Lance Woodman, lance at twopounds.u-net.com James Errington, james at twopounds.u-net.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Joydiv0 at xxx.com Sun Dec 13 22:59:36 1998 From: Joydiv0 at xxx.com (Joydiv0 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:59:36 EST Subject: Sinister: Hello! Message-ID: <3046152e.367446d8@aol.com> hello listees, I have heard much of your list about this earth death metal band,belle and sabastian, and have joined in order to understand how the people of this planet function. this list along with three others (the conway twitty list, the dallas tv show list, and the mr t. fan club list) will help me to understand how your planet works.....and futher push me along in the eventual take over of your planet and all its inhabitants..... car ry on +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fjf at xxx.edu Sun Dec 13 23:03:57 1998 From: fjf at xxx.edu (Joe Frese) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:03:57 -0500 Subject: Sinister: belle booty! Message-ID: <367447DD.CAE875E9@po.cwru.edu> okay, i got a number of positive responses regarding my plans to put up a belle and sebastian tape trading web site, so i've started work on it. hopefully, eventually it'll include the following: a list all the different tapes out there (with reviews); a list of people interested in trading, what tapes they have, and what tapes they want, etc; an faq with general quidelines for trading; and a nifty section where if you're just looking for one song, you can find what tapes contain that song . . . and the best part is, it's gonna be called belle booty! (yes i was up all night thinking of that one . . . i'm pathetic.) but first things first: i'm trying to put together a list of tapes that are currently in circulation . . . it's very preliminary, but if any of you kind listees have the urge to help me out, it's at http://members.tripod.com/~icybro/bellebooty.txt of course if you have any other comments or suggestions, feel free to email me at the address in the header. see ya on the flipside, joe "icy bro" frese +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TheeXVirus at xxx.com Sun Dec 13 23:11:14 1998 From: TheeXVirus at xxx.com (TheeXVirus at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:11:14 EST Subject: Sinister: Hello! Message-ID: <65aa18c8.36744992@aol.com> i like joy division too. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rewb2 at xxx.uk Sun Dec 13 23:16:10 1998 From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (rob b) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:16:10 -0000 Subject: Sinister: salako = slayer / pastels Message-ID: evening all why is it that weekends go so fast? it was rather a good one though; spent it in london, and made it to the pastels gig where lady penelope, biondino, funkyseb and a whole host of other sinisterians were congregated at the back of the garage. v-twin were supposed to be supporting, but future pilot turned up instead, but i missed them anyway so i was quite relieved! stephen pastel has a duffelcoat and a very silly dance, and katrina has a lovely luna t-shirt, just like mine! but first, something that amused me whilst sheltering from the rain in picadilly circus HMV. i was wandering around aimlessly trying to find the singles section, and stumbled across the salako album, but it was not where i expected to find the piece of P!O!O! that is 'reinventing punctuation'. no, it was in the METAL section, along with slayer, cannibal corpse, megadeth and the like. i'm sure the metalheads will all enjoy the twee lyrical poignancy of the story about a man called bill, who lives on edible flowers and gets wee kittens as presents. i bought 'cat power' and 'the secret stars' - not bad, but i'm hoping they'll grow on me. that's it - off to bed rob p.s. never try doing riverdance to the prodigy - you look very silly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkolmar at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 00:06:39 1998 From: mkolmar at xxx.com (Mark Kolmar) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:06:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: new EP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The new EP arrived Thursday. What you get is a well-balanced, 20-minute dose of Belle and Sebastian. If you saw them live, or if you do some tape-trading, then probably you know at least 2 or 3 of the songs already. "This is Just a Modern Rock Song" is more polished than the session version, but not especially different. It simply does better justice to the song's potential. The playing and singing are more confident. If someone had asked, though, I might have suggested "more feeling" (whatever that is supposed to mean) at the start. I only knew "I Know Where The Summer Goes" from hearing it once at the recent live show (Chicago), but the melody was already in my head anyway. I wonder how many takes they did. Probably not many. The song came out perfectly well live, and aside from the clearer sound that is coming from your stereo (I hope) it is probably no better and no worse than you remember either. "The Gate" is a worthy song. However, I would like it much more if someone else sang it. Isobel's voice may work marvelously in the background, but her breathy, weak, uncontrolled singing is problematic for lead vocals. Not only that, but she'll give herself nodes if she keeps this up. I prescribe vocal exercises and probably some coaching: learn to project from the diaphragm, and do pitch-matching with the piano. BTW, Steve's voice sounds better to me when he is not trying as hard. Compare the radio version of "Seymour Stein" to the LP version. Just sing it, and put it on tape. Beyond the fact that Isobel could do serious damage in the long term, the female voice has the potential to be so much more agile than the male voice. So, to my ears, clumsiness sounds that much more clumsy in a female voice. I also had a session version of "Slow Graffiti". The EP version is extremely similar in the first section, and the arrangement in the second section -- the horns/winds especially -- really gels this time. Since the version on the Acid House s/t is supposed to be different, I will try to hunt that down. This must be one of their strongest songs, and the lineup on the s/t looked pretty decent as well. --Mark __ Burning Rome : SENSELESS CD on Mindfield Records MindCD03 Cathartium 14 > Distributed by Dutch East India Trading, Com Four, and Carrot Top < < http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome > < MP3 & RealAudio tracks > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From agmuwv.044 at xxx.it Mon Dec 14 00:27:07 1998 From: agmuwv.044 at xxx.it (Marco Braca) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:27:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The gate Message-ID: <36745B5A.673BC4BA@tellnet.pesaro.ps.it> The gate full of flowers describes worlds of cream , slow graffiti with Pastels , now i know where the summer goes , Emma knows , Lisa knows this is just a modern psycho-song . Marco#7. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wilde77 at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 00:36:10 1998 From: wilde77 at xxx.com (r. h.) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:36:10 PST Subject: Sinister: my 15 minutes are now up. Message-ID: <19981214003610.11248.qmail@hotmail.com> charliehorse heads, just got back from the video shoot. it was cold and windy. i was pelted with sunflowers in the video so if it makes it in you know that's me. i have great faith in lance that the video will turn out great, he seemed to know what he was doing. and for all you lucky ladies you'll be happy to know that brad had the star part in the video. they recreated the scene in a madonna video where she's standing in the street butt naked trying to hitch a ride. except this time it's brad, he does have some clothes on--his socks, we didn't want him to catch cold. it's good to see that a certain conversation has been buried. i knew the threat of some serious smut would work. oh, and a friend sam has joined the list(sorry sam to reveal your identity). all in all he's an alright kinda guy but don't mess with him or he'll break out the cradle of filth. great meeting johny and billy, your part was ace! robbie ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jeep at xxx.net Mon Dec 14 03:30:40 1998 From: jeep at xxx.net (murray) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:30:40 -0800 Subject: Sinister: GRLKJTGIPGHVJHKHRGORGRHDHGXXX References: <36720E02.9129F062@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <3674865E.2D0357CA@prolog.net> brian aka as Mick McMick wrote: > . > In more pleasant news, I ordered my copy of the new EP yesterday. They > said it would be here tuesday or wednesday. Also got that Ballroom CD, > so I hope it's as good as the Millenium. I think I'm getting the > Sagittarius CD for Christmas too, in fact I'm almost positive about it. where did you get the ballroom cd? i need it! give us all the details.the sagittarius lp is so excellent -- it will make you holiday "brighter." i only hope the second sagittarius lp., "the blue marble" is released on cd someday. i have a 3 copies of the millennium's "begin" (on sony--special music products) for tape trades (anyone interested -- privately email me). "Begin" is one of my fave lps from the late 1960's. everyone should have a copy. who can solve this mystery: why did curt boettcher drop the second "t" from his name on the solo lp, "there's an innocent face?" bye, bye, beth. happy holidays to all, murray (hoping my modern rock song ep is in the mail tomorrow) > Evidently they have enough for an EP: Lord Anthony, > Wrong Girl, the aforementioned Paper Boat and the lovely lovely > Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner. That's four there. But what of > the album? Will they resurrect Rhoda? i need the above songs -- is there a kind soul who will tape them for me.i love "rhoda" and truly hope we see it formally released. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Joydiv0 at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 01:55:29 1998 From: Joydiv0 at xxx.com (Joydiv0 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:55:29 EST Subject: Sinister: !!!!!! Message-ID: <9f8be158.36747011@aol.com> It seems that one of your fellow listees has revealed the name in which i go by in my form as a human......Sam......But by no means should you humans start to treat me as if i am of equal value to you.....i am of a far greater value!! The human who has revealed my name will surely be delt with.....your Robbie listee fellow, in a manner that far exceeds your simple executions! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From parachute at xxx.net Mon Dec 14 03:46:35 1998 From: parachute at xxx.net (brad) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:46:35 -0500 Subject: Sinister: bis is crap Message-ID: <36748A1A.518A@earthlink.net> don't be fooled. they are. so i was in the video. or, rather, i haven't ended up on the cutting room floor yet. robbie is so modest. not only was he pelted and prodded and poked with flowers for his part, but we also drug him down to the bad part of town and stripped him naked (except for socks) and put a sign around his neck that said "put whatever you want in any part of my body and receive one free rock of crack" boy was he pissed! he came back with a bicycle handlebar sticking out of his ass and bloody ears. and then we found out that the lens cap was left on the camera. but he willfully volunteered to do it all over. he was muttering something about "finally finding a purpose in life" when last we saw him. haven't seen him since. the shoot was interesting i guess. i only wish more listmembers would have showed up. i don't think stuart will be pleased with the satanic slaughter of this stray kitten that we performed in the middle of a pentogram, though. but, it was done out of love, and as long as he finds it in his heart to understand that, everything will be fine. it was all this guy's fault named billy who showed up with johnny. he insisted that we "shed some blood of the innocent" i'd like to take this opportunity to give a shoutout to my main doo-doo stain, sam, who just joined the list, apparently. hey, sam, i got you this new cradle of filth bootleg in athens. it has that song "mutilate your firstborn, so says beelzebub" that you've been looking for. i listened to it. it's crap. and so is bis. -brad but he also had this other scene where he's wearing a stuart murdoch mask, and he's walking down the street with nothing but a class ring on, and he comes across this person in an isobel mask. so there in the middle of the road they proceed to "get it on". the director guaranteed us that it would look like stuart getting it on with isobel when he gets done with his 3-d trickery and his array of lighting techniques. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Sandibrady at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 04:27:02 1998 From: Sandibrady at xxx.com (Sandibrady at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:27:02 EST Subject: Sinister: video shoot Message-ID: <57e8adc1.36749396@aol.com> Got back from the video shoot around 6pm this evening. Got to meet a few fans, which was very cool. Lance & Dan were both great guys. I had a lot of fun. I wound up being filmed in a pair of blue plastic pants doing the "Peanuts" character dance in front of a big pile of sand. So if I don't wind up getting cut out, then that's me. Sandi +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Mon Dec 14 07:18:20 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:18:20 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Defenders of Nonsense annual Juried convention Message-ID: <000f01be2731$eeadc940$4011020a@rebelstrange> clumsiness is yummy. naivete is endearing. Useless immaturity, is genius. Thus spake zarathustra, or maybe it was me, that night i ate too many strawberry newtons. A little bird chirped: one sunny Sunday dream inspired morning. In this bus driven coma, I was unable to breathe under the combined weight of B&S arse. Isobels bum may look like it would have the weight and texture of angel delight ( with a slight hint of digestive crunch) but in the dream dimesion has the weight of your granny's finest(?) fairy cakes in the pre-War Cookeen days and all the alluring aroma of one too many fried Stonhaven turnips. The rest of the band were too far too shy to pass wind in my dream. **************************************************************************** ************************************ hmmm???? alriighty then.........to use a most shameful americanism. hope y'all had fun in athens. *WAAAAAAHHHH...* anyone who can provide me with an isobel school uniform picture, or any other belle booty (it's da bomb, -g-!) will be richly rewarded, i have many extra 5X7 prints of the cello and tambourine shots if that is an alluring prospect. if not, forget i said so. i was going to put up an ink polaroid but i think now that i will use it for weejay's story tree instead. prepare for some heapin' helpin of greasy misery! I'm bitter. leave me alone with my tiggerjammies and stop being mean!!! *nuh-huhuhWAAAAAAA WHAT AWORLD, WHATAWORLD......* i'm only lucid when i'm spewing dull nonsense in case you hadn't assumed that already. i enjoy the teejammer song it's very rollercoaster ride but less sprightly and stevie's vocal turn is a nice thing. Oh and, by the way, I will personally hunt you down and paint red X's on your doors if you do not immediately and gloriously accept Isobel Campbell as your personal savior. actually it's not true, but you can think that if you want, i suppose there are worse positions to be placed in than defending a pixy princess against the senseless rabble. and BETTER positions as well, if you catch me, nudge nudge, there's your smut, you masses, now go home and watch ricki lake and stay complacent. fat, lazy, and ugly, lesleyJo ps don't humor me, please. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pulpbot at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 05:50:11 1998 From: Pulpbot at xxx.com (Pulpbot at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:50:11 EST Subject: Sinister: XXX Scandinavian Massive Facial Cumshotz #2 Message-ID: blistees, i'm off to join the Anal Cunt mailing list. they have a song called "morrissey" so my love of twee has not been shipwrecked, mind. god bless Mr. Highway and his adolescent pleasures, for they blow my mind like bubblegum. they hardly jibe with his radical feminist polemics, which make Andrea Dworkin sound like yer forgiving grandmother. god, do i have to hear one more time that the raw belt of Norwegian death metal is a futile attempt by men to match the vaginal wailing that accompanies a woman's deflowering? you think I'm kidding? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jarvislon at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 08:53:28 1998 From: Jarvislon at xxx.com (Jarvislon at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 03:53:28 EST Subject: Sinister: videoshoot Message-ID: <6c7261fc.3674d208@aol.com> OK i was at the infamous video shoot.and let me tell you brad and robby both did some very sick things.i wont go into detail I'll just say it had to do with farm animals. it was neat to meet other people but there should have been more i suppose.but all was wonderful, and i think the farm animals liked it.well, they didn't complain. maybe they wont cut my part out(dorky guy,jumping rope,in a flea market cowboy hat)and maybe they'll leave the beastiality part in too.WAY TO GO ROBBIE AND BRAD! oh yea Sam ( or Satan) how the hell did you get on the list.pure evil you are and im sure belle and sebastian would be proud.go now members and sacrifice in the name of Sam.....bob +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Michael.Barrett at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 03:08:30 1998 From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.com (Michael Barrett) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:08:30 +0900 Subject: Sinister: She bit it off in a buick? Message-ID: <016601be270f$0b5d9e30$baa3002b@qasx6.sec.cpg.sony.co.jp> WooHoo! I got my copy of Must You Keep Your Socks On? on Saturday!! But I can't listen to it for another week. Still, I've got half of it on my teeny-weeny md player so I'm ok. (What an ep that would've been - Pocket Book Angel, Lonlieness..., Modern Rock Song and Slow Graffitti - once again, thank you Ben). Quick question though - I always assumed Easterhouse meant the housing estate, but in the wordy bit it's written as Easter House. Does this mean somewhere/thing else, or am I just being pedantic? >But life goes on. Who called WeeJay a homosexual? >And who suggested that Lesley J needed a jolly good >seeing to? Was it the same person? It bloody well was not. Don't ask me how I know, I just do. Bloody poof ;-) Where has all the snow gone? It's nearly christmas and I walked to work this morning without a jacket and I had to wear sunglasses. What's going on? All right, I am on the other side of the planet from where I usually am, but by all accounts it ain't snowing much in Glasgow either - sunshine on Cowdenbeath Keith's teeth in Leith according to some. And where has Honey gone? Is this more than a concidence? Is this is punishment for all the sand throwing and shin kicking and all-your-friends-are-fat-and-you-smell mails of late? I reckon He's sitting on an island somewhere, possibly with some of the other missing listees, whilst the snow just pours down on them. Talking of WeeJay, he had this to say for himself: >Yes, I'm backing you up on this one, except I don't think it's two >extra 'boy's but instead a strange, admittedly vocal, noise. I heard >it on my Beat Patrol tape but I assumed it was (a) a fault in the >tape or more likely (b) a problem in the mix that would be sorted >out when it was released. Seems it's just another weird quirk I always thought this was a "Ho ho, ho", in a kind of Santa Claus way. I had never thought to question what relevance this had to the song (like someone said, I ain't had no book learnin'). Michael the 'overly-styled, cocky gentleman with an eye for the ladies possibly a bit of a lech'. PS I know Leith isn't in Glasgow PPS And no, I didn't call anyone a homosexual PPPS And no, the copies I have in my md aren't digital. I, eh, squeezed a tape in and it worked just fine. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From AEvans at xxx.uk Mon Dec 14 09:37:08 1998 From: AEvans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:37:08 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Laugh ? I almost........... Message-ID: <25CC9C11BD12D111BA5500805F8B63691C7CE5@COR-EXG1> For those listees with children. SANTA CLAUS: AN ENGINEER'S PERSPECTIVE There are approximately two billion children (persons under 18) in the world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist (except maybe in Japan) religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the Population Reference Bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least one good child in each. Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with a good child, Santa has around 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the purposes of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom stops or breaks. This means Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second--3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second, and a conventional reindeer can run (at best) 15 miles per hour. The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized Lego set (900g), the sleigh is carrying over 500 thousand tons, not counting Santa himself. On land, a conventional reindeer can pull no more than 150 Kgs. Even granting that the "flying" reindeer could pull ten times the normal amount, the job can't be done with eight or even nine of them--Santa would need 360,000 of them. This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, another 54,000 tons, or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch).600,000 tons travelling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance--this would heat up the reindeer in the same fashion as a spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second each. In short, they would burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them and creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would be vaporised within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reached the fifth house on his trip. Not that it matters, however, since Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 m.p.s. in .001 seconds, would be subjected to acceleration forces of 17,500 g's. A 250 pound Santa which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering blob of pink goo. Therefore, if Santa did exist, he's dead now. Merry Christmas. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Mon Dec 14 14:00:14 1998 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:00:14 +0000 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Friends, we'll be friends (US vs UK chapter nth) (fwd) Message-ID: Sorry, Nick, I just sent this to you before instead of the list... xxxx A. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:22:59 +0000 (BST) From: Arantxa Sanz To: Nick Dastoor Subject: Friends, we'll be friends (US vs UK chapter nth) The list cultural influence is infinite, amazingly infinite. On Friday afternoon, it was posted that message by Ian which starts the first movement in this quasi civil war two hundred years after, but reversely, now Britons try to become a nation expulsing Yanks from their nice island... And Friday, 9pm, 'Friends'last and double chapter gives us a deep, enlightened, lucid vision about Britain and Britishness, its differences and points in common with American cosmovision, including Richard Branson as a hat seller in Westminster and Matt le Blanc enjoying his happiest moments ever when bumping into a Royal, even when it was the most plebeian of them all, gingered hair Fergie, without Massive Attack collaboration this time in her performance. Obviously, Sinister list will have to be taken into account by Anthropology and Politics students in fifty years from now as one of the most influent hot-points at the end of the millenium. Arantxa (non British, non American, do I exist , really?) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From oprg at xxx.br Mon Dec 14 12:44:28 1998 From: oprg at xxx.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Henrique_Horst_-_Refrescos_Guararapes_Ltda.?=) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:44:28 -0200 Subject: Sinister: This is just a modern life in a northern town Message-ID: <006801be275f$8e78a440$8201a8c0@bbs.elogica.com.br> The Jeepster parcel appeared on my bed last friday. I had never heard any of the EP songs before. In none of the versions. As I was kind of tired, after my first DJing night ever (probably the last), the idea of hibernating for 13 hours letting the record play on, ad eternum, seemed ok. I woke up fine. I had dreamt of Sinatra and come to some conclusion: TIJAMRS is quite similar to one of my all time faves - Dream Academy's "Life In A Northern Town". Why not ? Jh pushing the town away -----Mensagem original----- De: Mark Kolmar Para: sinister at majordomo.net Data: Domingo, 13 de Dezembro de 1998 20:37 Assunto: Sinister: new EP > >The new EP arrived Thursday. > >What you get is a well-balanced, 20-minute dose of Belle and Sebastian. If >you saw them live, or if you do some tape-trading, then probably you know >at least 2 or 3 of the songs already. > >"This is Just a Modern Rock Song" is more polished than the session >version, but not especially different. It simply does better justice to >the song's potential. The playing and singing are more confident. If >someone had asked, though, I might have suggested "more feeling" (whatever >that is supposed to mean) at the start. > >I only knew "I Know Where The Summer Goes" from hearing it once at the >recent live show (Chicago), but the melody was already in my head anyway. >I wonder how many takes they did. Probably not many. The song came out >perfectly well live, and aside from the clearer sound that is coming from >your stereo (I hope) it is probably no better and no worse than you >remember either. > >"The Gate" is a worthy song. However, I would like it much more if >someone else sang it. Isobel's voice may work marvelously in the >background, but her breathy, weak, uncontrolled singing is problematic for >lead vocals. Not only that, but she'll give herself nodes if she keeps >this up. I prescribe vocal exercises and probably some coaching: learn to >project from the diaphragm, and do pitch-matching with the piano. > >BTW, Steve's voice sounds better to me when he is not trying as hard. >Compare the radio version of "Seymour Stein" to the LP version. Just >sing it, and put it on tape. > >Beyond the fact that Isobel could do serious damage in the long term, the >female voice has the potential to be so much more agile than the male >voice. So, to my ears, clumsiness sounds that much more clumsy in a >female voice. > >I also had a session version of "Slow Graffiti". The EP version is >extremely similar in the first section, and the arrangement in the second >section -- the horns/winds especially -- really gels this time. Since the >version on the Acid House s/t is supposed to be different, I will try to >hunt that down. This must be one of their strongest songs, and the lineup >on the s/t looked pretty decent as well. > >--Mark > >__ Burning Rome : SENSELESS CD on Mindfield Records MindCD03 Cathartium 14 > > Distributed by Dutch East India Trading, Com Four, and Carrot Top < > < http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome > < MP3 & RealAudio tracks > > > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From liquidation at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 13:23:03 1998 From: liquidation at xxx.com (Danny) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:23:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sock with eyes on Message-ID: <199812141410.OAA06800@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Someone just made me a sock with eyes on, REAL pigs eyes, and a snakes tongue made out of christmas wrapping paper. Watch this space. Danny +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 70204923 at xxx.ca Mon Dec 14 14:24:55 1998 From: 70204923 at xxx.ca (Sebastian) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:24:55 EST Subject: Sinister: To Canucks and Yanks... Message-ID: <4A482317C1@cs5.conestogac.on.ca> After writing a letter to my friend in England-town (who's returning for Xmas) asking him to find the new BS ep for me...I walk into good 'ol Encore records, downtown Kitchener...and guess what I see for $12.99 This is just a modern rock song...made my weeekend... NO...im not rubbing it in, just letting you know there's hope... yahoo! ___________________________________________________________________________ My ski vest has buttons like convenience store mirrors and they help me see That everything in this room right now, is a part of me +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From T.Lilja at xxx.uk Mon Dec 14 14:20:25 1998 From: T.Lilja at xxx.uk (T.Lilja at xxx.uk) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:20:25 +0000 Subject: Sinister: The Gate postmodern rock song Message-ID: <19981214142144.13318.qmail@europa.salford.ac.uk> Hi! I'd just like to stand up and testify that i truely like (i woulden't say love after such a short affair but im defenetly smitten) the Gate Its a lovely song and thats all there is to it. About the counting acts part: I think its about remenicense of the days gone and the things that seemed so natural at the time but seems so magical in hindsight. Or maybe not but I'd like it to be about that. TIJAMRS is the song on the EP that I'm not totally pleased with but I know some of you really like it so I wont slag it of. Merry Xmas /Toby We comunicate more and more in more defined ways than ever before but noone is saying anything new its all very poor its all such a bore /Sterelab +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From WarranderJ at xxx.uk Mon Dec 14 14:50:50 1998 From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:50:50 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Dirty street fighter #2 Message-ID: <51F7EB9834B0D011B56C0000F8303B00426254@gateway.finnigan.co.uk> Sinisterines, Some wry observations from the past few days: Some juvenile and foppish oaf has been abusing this list to send coded messages of love and devotion to his girlfriend. Fortunately, Peter Miller has cracked his code so we can all laugh at the sappy bag of wank-shite. How dare he waste our time. Does anybody want me to go round his house and stamp on his face? I'll do it. I've been having a pre-Christmas break to catch-up with the delights of those merry pranksters The Pastels in concert. It meant I got to go to that lovely city Dublin and meet Joss who's a very nice man (I think my bird fancies him actually but don't tell anyone). I can't really comment on The Pastels performance since Joss decided to assert his masculine authority and drink me under the table. He also showed off his cunning skill and courage by attempting to raid the backstage area and rob any booze that had been left lying around. Sadly, only a mouthful of crisps were his reward for a brave and adventurous scheme. Joss is now my hero and I'm going to spoil everyone's fun by voting repeatedly for him on the list-crush page. I think I told Stephen Pastel that I loved him. He said "I love you too John" and kissed me on the cheek. I don't think he called anyone a "jobbie". The new untitled instrumental The Pastels have written really is the most beautiful thing I've heard in a long time. Now that this "list-crush" shenanigans has established itself firmly in our hearts, can we have a "best fighter" page too? Mark Casarotto doesn't reckon he could have McTaggart in a punch-up. And he's met him?! Brad acts quite hard but since he owns a Field Mice record he's probably a wimp. Both Keith Watson and The Duke could be dark horses I suppose. I can't really think of anybody on Sinister who's particularly imposing though. How stereotypical of us. Oh well, we could have a "smartest person on Sinister" list instead. I'd vote for Heather Marie Propes. Is it post-modern for pop fans to have crushes on each other instead of fancying the band? It wouldn't have been like that in the 70s. Are there really 14 people that fancy Brad or is he just a cheaty spoil-sport? You may not be very hard but you're a right bunch of weird scary fuckers out there in Sinisterland. Anyway, I have a feeling some Spanish football fans were singing "the basque my father wore" to the tune of "The Sash" last night. In the second verse he takes the basque off and then in the third he gives his friend a blow-job. Spanish football rules. Genevieve, you could be the voice of a generation. I'll excuse myself now, Love...John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gnance at xxx.edu Mon Dec 14 16:13:19 1998 From: gnance at xxx.edu (Ginger Nance) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:13:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: more video stories Message-ID: I emerge from the shadows to first say a HUGE thank you to Lance, the video director. He was so nice, very cool, and I've run out of adjectives so I'll stop. Because of those icky things called final exams, and having to drive 6 hours, my friend Sadndi and I didn't get to Athens until mid-afternoon, met up with another friend and headed over. John and Billy were the only other Sinister people there, and after a while the other Jon and Jennifer from Indiana showed up so we headed out to shoot. If we make it, Sara and I are the goofy girls trying to touch our noses with our tongues, which are a lovely shade of green thanks to the Fun Dip I bought at some gas station in South Carolina b/c I needed a sugar rush. Anyway, just wanted to say hi to everyone who was there, thanks to Lance, and that it was alot of fun overall. Ginger :) ps--I took pictures, and I'll post again when I can get them up and scanned. Ginger Nance gnance at email.unc.edu http://www.unc.edu/~gnance +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Mon Dec 14 16:25:55 1998 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:25:55 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Merry Christmas (or What It's Like to Be a Santa Claus) Message-ID: <36753C13.9F663BE3@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Ho ho ho, Just the other day I indeed had the harrowing experience of being jolly old (20 years old) St. Mick, er, I mean Nick. My X-mas job of Santa Photographer caused me to do this. It appears one of the Santas just didn't show up a couple of days. His car was stolen, though this is of course false, because the particular Santa has a penchant for lying. Woe to the child who sits upon his very, very large knees. But I digress... I showed up a few minutes early to work, and I had a bit of time to shuffle around and worry about dropping wee babes on their heads and spoiling little kids' idea of Santa Claus. After a bit, I went upstairs to put on my Santa costume. It fit fine, except the belt was far too big, and I couldn't even find any of the holes that the thingydoo would slip into (note: belt reference, *NOT* sexual reference). Then came the beard. Oh, the pains of wearing a scratchy beard that 3 other men have slobbered all over for the past 3 weeks. First of all it stays on your face by means of a thick rubber strap which fits over one's ears. It feels okay for 4.5 seconds, then your ears begin to ache, and it slips off and you have to move it back up. I tried to make it look like I was just scratching my head, so I hope the kids bought it. But worse yet, the beard was close fitting, and little "hairs" forced their way into my mouth as I spoke, saying "What color truck would you like?" And lets not forget that this suit was damned hot, but that was the least of my worries. Well, I didn't drop any children, and most of them didn't cry when they sat down upon my lap. We had some cheeky teenagers who wanted me to sit on *their* lap, so I did, and we took pictures of that. ONe of them, a young lady of perhaps 15 or 16 years, kept asking me why I never brought her a pony, though she had asked year after year. Anyhoo, I got a picture of me with a toddler, I'll scan it and send it to Honey whenever I get the chance. Oh, for all of you Sinisterines who know that Santa is real, those men at the malls aren't real Santas. They're Santa's "Helpers." I loved Adrian's engineering forward. I was guffawing here at my computer. The image of 78,000 flaming reindeer hurtling at 650 miles per second while Santa's cheeks flare up is a rather amusing picture. But lets be realistic, now, everyone knows Santa magically stops time in order to do his business. It probably actually takes him a week to deliver all the goods, but we're all frozen in time, so we wouldn't know. The cookies and milk are his only meals for that period, so kids, don't forget to leave your cookies & milk out for Santa, or he'll starve and die and you'll find a thin Santa with a distended belly whimpering on your floor the next morning. But anyway, this time stop allows Santa all the time he needs to eat the cookies, deliver presents, shoot back up the chimney, and even to write "Santa" in wee in the snow. Now for some reason I never realized that the Beat Patrol session featured the band covering a Christmas song. I think my girlfriend has that session, I'd better get it from her... Furthermore, I have decided that Lesley Jo has assumed the esteemed position of List Genevieve, because Genevieve hardly ever posts any more, and we miss her. But anyway, it's nice to see someone filling her Quebecoise slippers. Bravo to Lesley Jo for that last, most brilliant of posts. "Professor, what's another word for pirate treasure? Why, I do believe it's Belle B!O!O!T!Y!" An excellent idea if I ever saw one. Lets hope that David doesn't shoot the idea down. But, Belle Booty sounds like the name of a "classy" strip joint. Then again, I guess that's in the spirit of things, isn't it? /"\_/"\_/"\ Saint Micholas - bp224995 at ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | - Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mb00EN at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 15:18:55 1998 From: Mb00EN at xxx.com (Mb00EN at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:18:55 EST Subject: Sinister: I'm walking in the air..... Message-ID: <76652533.36752c5f@aol.com> Hello list Some topics for Monday: 1. The MM 'interview' I could'nt resist buying it, it was the first time i've read it since my sixth form days, it reads and looks more like Smash hits now (Whats Cery's favorit toothpaste!!!!). I quite like the picture on the front cover, Isobel with her strange (all be it cute) haircut, and Stuart in his sandels. I dont think it does any real harm to anyone, it was bound to happen sooner or later, and its a good free advert for the EP (does anyone know the unofficial chart position by the way). I went to the Nottingham gig and was annoyed to read i missed stuart dancing, we all know your soft. As for the article, it was pretty pathetic, they did'nt offer any significant insight. 2. Other matters In the words of Mr Hill, 'i brought a great record this week, (WHAT WAS IT?) ooberman sing ooberman', The EP is quite fantastic, 'a DIY sgt pepper' my friend gushed, i agreed. I read the post about the rabbit song last week, huh i thought it cant be that bad, but it is. I will never ever listen to it again, it ought to carry a warning, and '(live again)....' is even worse, these are my emotions their toying with. I could write for hours about this one record, it fascinate me, but i will restrain myself, but i strongly recommend you buy if you have'nt already. 3. Dreams I actually had a belle and sebastian dream, i think it's from reading about others. I met some of the band in my local Currys car park, and they were arrogant and nasty, especially Stevie and Stuart M. The only one who was nice was Isobel, but she was too nice and followed me home, i did'nt complain. I know it does'nt sound much but the scary thing was it was so realistic, there were no bizarre events like you get in normal dreams. The dream ruined my day. Oh joy, the Phil Silvers Show is on everyday this week, what a great way to start the day. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SPRFNK at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 14:10:58 1998 From: SPRFNK at xxx.com (SPRFNK at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:10:58 EST Subject: Sinister: bis is crap Message-ID: <1aead40c.36751c72@aol.com> well i love bis---everytime i hear it i just want to dance hehe---but i guess I cant really see guys listening to it--well whatever byebye kristin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eng98ajo at xxx.se Mon Dec 14 16:42:54 1998 From: eng98ajo at xxx.se (Anna J) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:42:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Swedish outburst! Message-ID: Ah, tomorrow I'll finally get my copy of the TICKLEME EP (sorry), I can't wait. Two B&S songs I've never heard before! And I'm so curious to find out where the summer actually goes, I've had to stop myself from having a peek at the Jeepster site to read the lyrics, because I want Stuart M's lovely voice to tell me. I do hope he actually gives the answer, maybe B&S have decided to pull a cheap stunt to sell a few more copies and never give the answer, and the next EP will be called "The Meaning of Life" or "Where Socks Go When You Do Your Laundry" or something? Oh, I'm completely forgetting my outburst. I'VE HAD IT!!! What on earth does "natch" mean?!?!??? Everybody keeps using it and I don't have a clue. Please, please, help a poor non-anglophone with an insufficient dictionary. Send your answer in the form of an email or record an EP entitled "What Natch Means". Helplessly, Anna :) P.S. You probably all know this, and will yawn in a matter of words, but the other day when I was watching A Bout de Souffle I realised that B&S have put a bit of the dialogue ("Ne bouge pas ou je te brûle", or something like that) between Pocketbook Angel and London Has Let Me Down Again. I completely lost my concentration from that nice pic as I was trying to place where I'd heard the quote so many times, and then this little lightbulb lit in my head and I could return to the film... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kopnicki at xxx.edu Mon Dec 14 20:01:33 1998 From: kopnicki at xxx.edu (Keith Kopnicki) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:01:33 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Swedish outburst! Message-ID: <000e01be279c$98ae6520$c3160880@default> hello all, I'm brand new to this newsgroup. I noticed that stuart holds C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia in very high regard. I read them all when I was twelve and I was wondering if anyone knows if he's talked about Tolkien's lord of the rings, also books I keep close to my heart. How about any of you? Also, does anyone know where to get a cd bootleg of tigermilk? Forgive me I'm new, and I am willing to bet that the last question has been asked several thousand times. -----Original Message----- From: Anna J To: sinister at majordomo.net Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 8:47 AM Subject: Sinister: Swedish outburst! > >Ah, tomorrow I'll finally get my copy of the TICKLEME EP (sorry), I can't >wait. Two B&S songs I've never heard before! And I'm so curious to find out >where the summer actually goes, I've had to stop myself from having a peek >at the Jeepster site to read the lyrics, because I want Stuart M's lovely >voice to tell me. I do hope he actually gives the answer, maybe B&S have >decided to pull a cheap stunt to sell a few more copies and never give the >answer, and the next EP will be called "The Meaning of Life" or "Where >Socks Go When You Do Your Laundry" or something? > >Oh, I'm completely forgetting my outburst. > >I'VE HAD IT!!! What on earth does "natch" mean?!?!??? Everybody keeps using >it and I don't have a clue. Please, please, help a poor non-anglophone with >an insufficient dictionary. Send your answer in the form of an email or >record an EP entitled "What Natch Means". > >Helplessly, >Anna :) > >P.S. You probably all know this, and will yawn in a matter of words, but >the other day when I was watching A Bout de Souffle I realised that B&S >have put a bit of the dialogue ("Ne bouge pas ou je te brûle", or something >like that) between Pocketbook Angel and London Has Let Me Down Again. I >completely lost my concentration from that nice pic as I was trying to >place where I'd heard the quote so many times, and then this little >lightbulb lit in my head and I could return to the film... > > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From somm0055 at xxx.edu Mon Dec 14 17:26:05 1998 From: somm0055 at xxx.edu (Jarrett R Sommers) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:26:05 -0600 Subject: Sinister: mysterious ep's Message-ID: <36754A2D.BC594A45@tc.umn.edu> Hey, this is Jazz, a new member to the list, but a long time B&S fan. Lots of people have been chatting about some ep's which puzzle me. I've seen or have all the basic ones: Lazy Line Painter Jane, 3,6,9, Dog on Wheels, and of course TIJAMRS which came out here in the US last week, but are there others? I've seen some mention of them, but I don't know where to find them. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. --Jazz +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Mon Dec 14 17:16:02 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:16:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: 'Ello all In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, welcome Kirk! So you're a D.J out at Chico! That's the Inland Empire, right? Or maybe not. Anyway, it's good to have you. The Pixies are great, and Big Star is something I've definitely been wanting to check our for a long time. I think it'll be my next purchase. I think there are a lot of D.J types around here. I'm a retired D.J. (UCLA and University of Chicago). Anyway, it's good to have you here. Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Kirk Leonard wrote: > > Hey there, I'm a new member on the list, but have been listening since > about a month after IYFS came out, and I still to this day call that my > favorite album, and also believe that it saved my life. I'm looking forward > to finding out info about the band and such, and getting to know some cool > people here... > Other than B&S my favorite bands are Guided by Voices, Hefner, > Elvis Costello, Posies, Big Star, Pixies, blah blah blah. Basically I love > most everything I can get my hands on. I go to CSU Chico college in > California, and work for the radio station,a nd should have a show or two > next semester. Anyways, I'm just writing to say hi to y'all, and intoduce > myself. > > > Peace, beast, > Krrrk > > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Mon Dec 14 17:50:30 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:50:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Happiness is a Warm Mum Message-ID: <01be278a$3d8be120$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Not only did my mother buy me a copy of Melody Maker, she read it as well. She says it lost her a bit at times, but Master Stuart comes across as a nice young man. Pah! Not very interesting! I hear you snarl. But it gave me a great idea - why not organise a sinister parental picnic? All our mums and dads could get together and talk about how disappointed they are to have produced poor quality fighters and if we ask really nicely perhaps Stuart's dad, Mister Murdoch, could come along and tell a few of his mini-skirt jokes. Oh well, it's only a thought. Keith, your mum could organise it, Paul's dad'll provide the chocolate fingers and Trousers senoir could give a talk about his role as an enormous sideburn in "Here We Go Round the Mulberry Bush". Tag, I tried to send you a message of love this morning, but it keeps getting rejected. Have you farted? I can't send it via the list because it consists of a loosely strung together torrent of insults. Seeing as I don't live in Britain or America I went to France this afternoon to see if I could start a big fight between the French and Spanish listees, but I couldn't find anything controversial. Well, I did see three people widdling in the street in a very short space of time. Do all French people urinate whenever and wherever the urge takes them? I went on a boat. Boats rock. My gigantic package from Jeepster has arrived, but due to my inexplicable habit of giving people half my old address and half my new address, it's gone to my mother-in-law's. I can't wait to pore over the lyrics in search of the meaning of the rabbits versus clotted cream debate. I know where there's some rabbits in a cage. I think they're going to end up inside someone's fat belly. Megan, I'm strictly a Sarah man, but I quite like your idea, in a funny sort of way. Speaking of which, they were playing "Je t'aime" in the supermarket again. I find it quite an arousing song in public, thus enabling me to drive my shopping trolly whilst leaving both hands free to grab loads of goodies. Then I pay for them in rumpy-pumpy. I'm outta here for the time being, Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lost_madflowr at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 18:29:14 1998 From: lost_madflowr at xxx.com (lost madflwr) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:29:14 PST Subject: Sinister: .j 0n amoung other things... Message-ID: <19981214182914.20989.qmail@hotmail.com> hello. i am madflowr. long time radiohead fan and and b+s fan really since may '98 when i got if you're feeling sinister. since then, i've been hooked. i think my favourite song at the moment is electronic renaissance. it's just brilliant driving music. and i have been doing a good bit of driving today and there is much more to come. i just joined sinister yesterday. i am a newbie. i am supposed to be writing a paper for one of my major classes but i just don't feel like it at the moment. i didn't know whether or not i should post hello to the list. i was sort of going to ask about tape trading but i don't want to advertise so um, just mail me if you have recent b+s shows to trade, cos i do. anyways, hello. i like the style of this list. i am on erm 7 or 8 mailing lists [radiohead mailing list at planet telex, the radiohead convoy, the RHUT list (rh and unbelievable truth), e-mail of the species (space), eels mailing list, the sympomaniacs (symposium), and i was on marion's list but i think it is dead at the moment]. i am not too sure. anyways. hello. i was going to ask if anyone has heard from .j On recently. he and i were penpals, but he went to art school and we lost touch. and i lost clive's email address when hotmail ate all my e-mails on my other account, so if anyone knows him tell him to mail me. i know they were both on the list before. is matt langham on this list? i can't keep track of everyone. i think hannah's out there somewhere. hello? :) well i am sorry for rambling but that is what any proper sort of hello message from me is like. "On both sides of the street many people were wandering about like sleepwalkers. They didn't look like people in this world." -radiohead tee shirt- ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mayfly8 at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 18:35:47 1998 From: mayfly8 at xxx.com (Fraser) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:35:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: A frivolous tale of woe. Message-ID: <19981214183547.21398.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Hello kiddies, What a weekend! I don't recommend anyone work two jobs unless absolutely necessary. Upon arriving home on Friday night after a long, long 12 hours of work I just wanted to crawl into bed and sleep for days. However, my mood changed as soon as I walked into my flat and was met with the sweet sounds of Slow Graffiti. My flatmate's boyfriend had found the EP at a little shop around the corner from our place and had been playing it non-stop all night long . . . much to our neighbour's chagrin. I was so excited . . . and determined to buy it the next day on my way back to work. When I got to the little shop I went to the cubby marked Belle and Sebastian only to find a terribly over priced copy of Sinister. My heart sank and my day in ruins, I made for the door with my head hanging low. Things started to look up when the boy behind the counter said he had one put aside just for me! Again I headed for the door but this time with a modern rock song tucked neatly in my pocket. All day long I worked with a light heart knowing that I would soon be home listening to Belle and Sebastian. I went to the back room to get my lunch only to discover Belle and Sebastian lying on the floor in a crumpled heap. THE HORROR, THE HORROR! Someone had dumped my jacket on the floor, sending my knew EP crashing to an early death. The once bright and shiny cover was now broken and dull. The cd was all scratched to hell. . . how could anyone do that? I was distressed and spent the rest of the day formulating ways to exact my revenge. Being pretty soft, I didn't come up with anything good. Once my rollercoaster day was over, I slipped the cd into my stereo with only the vaguest of hopes that one song could be salvaged. And again, one last time, my heart soared with the sounds as the cd played through with out skipping a beat! Just had to share, Kristin _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From graeme at xxx.uk Mon Dec 14 19:01:00 1998 From: graeme at xxx.uk (Graeme Crosbie) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:01:00 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Acid House Message-ID: <001301be2794$17b47ca0$188fa6c3@graeme> Right, a couple of questions. a) Is the Acid House version of Slow Graffiti different from the TOASTANDJAM version. b) Is the Acid House soundtrack any good, and is it worth buying. Please tell me before I go and spend lots of pennies on it. Graeme. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 19:31:17 1998 From: ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com (Ben Parker) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:31:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Re: I know where the summer... Message-ID: <19981214193117.29394.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Hello. With someone saying they were dissapointed by "I know where the summer goes"...well I was more dissapointed with the title track really. Doestoevsky isn't that sad really. Crime & Punishment was ultimately quite uplifting, I think anyway. Slow graffiti was one the best songs they've done in a while. BUt then most b&s songs need a while to settle into the subconscious anyway. Oh well... BeN _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SANDRAD at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 19:38:17 1998 From: SANDRAD at xxx.com (Sandra Duric) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:38:17 -0500 Subject: Sinister: the lyrics do mean something Message-ID: <01BE276F.65361990@SANDRA> Said the hero in the story "It is mightier than swords I could kill you sure But I could only make you cry with these words" My flat mate sent me these lyrics this morning because we're both suffering from the Monday "get me away from here I'm dying" blues. After a weekend of Christmas parties and watching Sonic Boom play with his 6 Speak N Spells - absolutely fascinating if not the most melodic noise in the world; I kept wondering about the modern definition of music...; but after a weekend of lots of no-work, now we're BACK, sigh. And we ran out of time during our radio show, and forgot to play the new B+S ep. Double sigh. By the way, anyone in the Michigan area who is interested can find, I think, all of the B+S eps on vinyl at Neptune in Royal Oak. But, what was I..., oh right, she sent me these lyrics and I couldn't help but think about some of the less than nice things that get talked about on the list. Just a thought. Alexandra On repeat: VaVaVoom/Cinerama +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tangent at xxx.net Mon Dec 14 19:46:53 1998 From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:46:53 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Billie shacked up with B&S... and stuff References: Message-ID: <36756B2D.7600D19C@lineone.net> so there i am, in the local MVC store buying a copy of Rebecca on vid for the duchess, and a Count Basie CD for me dad, when i glance across at the 'Christmas Selections' rack, and lo! i spy the familiar green glow of you know what. I go over and take a peer, just to make sure, and it is indeed the record by the ones we love and cherish. Directly beneath it was the Billie CD. I thought it was funny and cool. And for our american and other worldly fans who may not know who, or indeed what, a Billie is, well... i cannae be arsed explaining. i hate the Narnia/Tolkien crap. It's all fairy bollocks, isn't it? All those bloody elves and goblins and trolls and shit. BORING. Oh yeah, and you can take that as proof that I WAS NEVER A GOTH. honest, that was all just horrid gossip. who said that in the first place? some glasgow boot wasn't it? Probably Amanda Rin thingy cos i slagged her off, poor wee petal. I don't like the new bis record, but i don't think it's because of my gender, more because it's a boring record. I did dye my hair dark once though. It was Jamaica. I looked a tit, but this was well after i left glasgow so no-one there would ever know. Possibly. And so what if i DO have a Sisters LP? It's the gatefold sleeve you know... got it in Troon Menzies for a couple of quid a LOOOOONG time ago. But i wasnae a GOTH. EVER. Sad that Beth has gone. :-( i know how she feels, i've lost count of the times i've been on and off this list. Sigh. I love spotting movie or spoken word samples in songs... they happen really unexpectedly too. Like i walked into the Dram studio one day last year and there was the video of Frankenstein playing and i hear a line, and i'm WHOA! so THAT'S where the sample comes from. It's about safeguarding life and property. Thing is i can then never remember what fucking SONG it goes with. Oh well. I always try and stick some dialogue in my songs, although that may just be because i cannae sing. i am going to shut up now. keep the faith, the duke ------------------------------------------ 'all of our dreams are dying of overdoses' ------------------------------------------ Tangents On-Line http://www.tangents.co.uk PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at lineone.net ------------------------------------------ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Sun Dec 13 17:10:50 1998 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1998 17:10:50 -0000 Subject: Sinister: STOP PRESS! Message-ID: <199812142019.UAA13286@freebsd.saqnet.co.uk> chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/tiger/ Soon to be created- voting booth for all the debates. Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Sun Dec 13 17:09:08 1998 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1998 17:09:08 -0000 Subject: Sinister: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rabbit_and_cheesemeal_=A91998?= Message-ID: <199812142019.UAA13283@freebsd.saqnet.co.uk> chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/tiger/ I have noticed recently that some people are trying to sell counterfeit cheesemeal imported from Andorra. This is not on, and if it is you, please stop it. There is no excuse for this sort of behaviour. Some people have even been trying to undercut official cheesemeal vendors by offering a free rabbit with each purchase. This pathetic attempt to raise the position of rabbit in the 'rabbit vs. clotted cream' debate will not be tolerated. Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From james at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 20:54:01 1998 From: james at xxx.com (J Errington) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:54:01 -0000 Subject: Sinister: I'm for rabbits. Message-ID: Went record shopping today. Meant to go christmas shopping but I'm sure you know how it is when you get home from uni and all the secondhand music stalls / shops / sections have lots of new STUFF in! Now I find myself in posession of (a) the south park single. sorry. (b) back catalogue 'please buy these singles!' = Spz, Fanclub & the Pastels and best of all (c) '3 for £5' old vinyl albums from 'Market hall records' - Adam Ant, Cabaret Voltaire and the supreme majesty of THE Bobby Gentry & Glen Campbell album! Anyone want a copy? Or do I only share my strange weakness for country / easy listening with Isobel? Rabbits Vs Clotted cream? I was going to ignore this, but then Tag went and said: "Rabbits and clotted cream, what's that all about then? Was it supposed to be funny? It wasn't. It was a waste of my time." which you can take as bait since everyone knows that Tag is my list grudge;) So, I'm in favour of rabbits too, especially since ours have grown into huge great things in the 2 1/2 months I've been away and scarily have turned into viscious vampire bunnies that launch themselves at each other and bite the back of their opponant's neck. No shit, we have to keep Emily and Charlotte in seperate cages now 'cos they just attack each-other for no particular reason otherwise. Yes, we named our rabbits after the Bronte sisters, that's just how interesting a family we are. Clotted cream, on the other hand, isn't sweet enough and lacks the sickly loveliness of custard. Hmmn, nothing else to say, except that I've lost my internet access so if anyone wants to tell me how I'm doing in the Crush vote stakes, well, thanks. *I made my excuses and left* WeeJay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Modern capitalism, organising the reduction of all social life to a spectacle, cannot offer any other spectacle than that of our own alienation" james at twopounds.u-net.com (my site kills browsers) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/5523/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenny at xxx.uk Mon Dec 14 21:34:53 1998 From: kenny at xxx.uk (Jake) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:34:53 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Today Matthew I'am going to be .............Katrina House Message-ID: <199812142135.VAA18214@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> Hi there list, I know David and Katrina will be picking up the emails while away, but I don't know if they'll be answer questions about the band, so yet again I'm putting on my Katrina wig (not that she wears one, but my hair is slighty shorter) and out I come with the answers............. Well todays Q was the unoffical chart position, as asked by Mb00EN at aol.com And the answer is (oh my god, copying that name has left the rest of the email underlined) a mighty 37. At one stage it was looking like it might beat 3..6..9.. but the sales tailed off towards the end of the week. But still it would have made the top 40. So lets give our selves a big round of applause. I'll be back to answer more B&S questions as and when required See ya jake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lazer_guided at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 21:40:12 1998 From: lazer_guided at xxx.com (annie .) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:40:12 PST Subject: Sinister: the lyrics do mean something Message-ID: <19981214214013.8366.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello.. i'm new to this list.. eek hello then. i've never posted so i just thought i would introduce myself. ok. how exciting.. hmm.. well i can't think of anything to say so.. >After a weekend of Christmas parties and watching Sonic Boom play with = >his 6 Speak N Spells - absolutely fascinating if not the most melodic = >noise in the world; I kept wondering about the modern definition of = >music...; but after a weekend of lots of no-work, now we're BACK, sigh. = YAY i love sonic.. and all his bands.. hehe ok that is basically all byebye annie ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From inaroom at xxx.com Mon Dec 14 22:39:54 1998 From: inaroom at xxx.com (Gareth Probert) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:39:54 PST Subject: Sinister: Problems with new E.P. - Shit! Message-ID: <199812142239.OAA05617@law-f100.hotmail.com> Hello there Bugger. I was playing the new E.P. for only the fourth time, and it skipped at 2:53 on track 1. Even after I cleaned it, it did it again at around 4:00. Bums. I did, however, get one complete play of it, so I might whack it onto a minidisc whilst everything is working. The Gate? It's great! Can't get enough of it. I think in some very obscure way it reminds me of Is It Wicked Not To Care?, but I can't put my finger on it. Hmmm.. I'm sure you are all looking forward to the prospect of some time off in the coming weeks, as I know I am. Damn it, why is there no meet ups in Derby! That was obviously rhetorical - I know full well why! Well, I'm going to leave you all with the thought that "planet earth is blue, and there's nothing I can do...." Gareth ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Mon Dec 14 22:22:47 1998 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:22:47 -0000 Subject: Sinister: my very own doppelganger? Message-ID: <005c01be27b0$591183c0$2e39a8c2@n2f9x2> HO HUM? charlotte wrote: >alix wrote: >so, dear sinisterites, at the risk of starting a random new thread >of >conversational hub-bub, i would like to know what the strangest >place >you have ever heard a b&s song played is. any takers? no, i didn't :), is there another person with MY name spelling? i'd be intrigued if there was, but i think probably there isn't. i heard 'get me away from here' being done by a busker in the Covered Market in Oxford. i was amazed. i bought a snow dome at the weekend. it's a manky looking thing, and inside is a plastic giraffe. why a giraffe?, i wonder, they don't ever go near snow. i've named it Hilary. can anyone tell me what 'vague syncretic thought' is. i'm blowed if i'm going back to school to find that out. did you know that people who work in industrial bakeries are more likely to have arms of sex? glove, alix "So don't approach me if you've no more to say than what you've been doing, or how much you paid for the beer in your hand. I really don't care and I might have to kill you, which wouldn't be fair. On me" - Prolapse 'Killing The Bland' +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DMBesPhish at xxx.com Tue Dec 15 00:34:01 1998 From: DMBesPhish at xxx.com (DMBesPhish at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:34:01 EST Subject: Sinister: hmmhahey Message-ID: <69c7cf22.3675ae79@aol.com> hello! im in the most delightful mood... but i wont go rambling on about all that now. ahh today i gave my speech on belle and sebastian. i got an A, naturally. but i doubt that my mtv/abercrombie and fitch cultured classmates were as interested as i was. ok well ill get to the point of why im writing. my english teacher said that we had to pick a novel to read for our "novel unit" in english and i was wondering if anyone had any ideas. well just email me if you do...thanks! ha...and i enjoyed reading all of your video shoot stories as well as micks santa story. that made my day. and i still havent gotten TIJAMRS yet. i know i know...but i have to save up all my money because im going to see dave matthews band this saturday!!! hooray!!!! theyre one of my favorite bands. and they are they first band that i ever started getting interested in and reading the lyrics. so i owe a lot to them. and i know i will have an utterly incredibly time there because i won 1st row tickets and back stage passes from my delightful little radio. im taking my best friend gina who equally shares her love for dave with me. and we get to meet the band!!!! ohh its going to be so great. and besides all that...one of my good friends corey that moved away awhile ago is visiting and also going to the concert! and also one of my friends chris that lives kinda by me but i dont see as much. ohhhh i cant wait!!!!! and the following day im going to be a little hung over on my way to florida to see the grandparents....yes, thats always a pleasant time. were not even having a christmas tree this year! for shame! well i best be on my way.... xo, jackie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From parachute at xxx.net Tue Dec 15 03:25:47 1998 From: parachute at xxx.net (brad) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:25:47 -0500 Subject: Sinister: sha na na na na na na na sha na na na na Message-ID: <3675D6BB.77BC@earthlink.net> alright, here's the deal. me and robbie (and sam) were sitting around thinking "hmmm, if there can be an offshoot of the list that talks about music (shalala) then where's the one that has nothing but smut and funny stuff that might be somewhat offensive to 800 some other people". we really thought things in those exact words. so we started our own list. and we have dubbed it, fittingly, "sha-na-na" this ain't a joke. we really did do this. so whoever wants to join, come on. it won't be near as much traffic as this list. only one requirement, though. you must, must make us laugh. and i don't mean knock knock jokes. basically all the funny shit that happens on this list, but nothing but. and no subject will be taboo (except bis). so, if you want to join, go to http://shanana.listbot.com and don't ever buy a bis record. -brad +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Tue Dec 15 07:19:15 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:19:15 -0800 Subject: Sinister: did i tell you bout the one i know she's on the rag Message-ID: <004d01be27fb$3999ae00$4c11020a@rebelstrange> hullo peeps, a shoutout to my homes Stu-Dogg and Izzy, and Phat Phly Sarah on the g-funk tip, you da bomb sista!!!! hmm well this is miraculous, i'm pretending to be in a cheerfully glib mood this evening!! dont' ask you'll wish you hadn't. NOW i recall why i was writing, last night on our own crap-fest 120 Minutes, "Izzy's Ticket to the Fair" was shown in all its understated glory. gentlemen and ladies, our work here is done, ahem, polish lapels. only i can smack myself for not noticing it, and missing AGAIN the first bit where isobel is in it for so long, and that was the only reason i even sat through an hour and a half of easily the MOST relentless crap i have seen in a very long time, including engrossing interviews in which we delved deep into the penetrating (ahem) minds of those bastions of innovation and artistry, the Offspring and repulsive cunnilingus-bragging, greasy stringy hunk of hiphop wannnabe white boy Kid Rock(so they call him....). ooh, it was scintillating, let me tell you. what a bunch of handsome and quick witted examples of red blooded american masculinity! not to mention the THRILLING debut of a new frat-boy jam vid from Green Day. who says MTV is too mainstream?? despite such nausea-inducing fare, i was still moved nearly to tears by the sheer adorability of wee sarah climbing up in that limb. what an elfin queen! and isobel's knees of sex never fail to satisfy, brief though the exposure may be. not completely sure what is entailed by being knighted as the next Genevieve, except that all of her posts tha ti have read have amused me greatly, so i'm hoping that this is some great honor. i don''t know what was so good about my last post either, as i wrote it in a state of bitter and sleepless disillusionment and slight irritation. about what, i'm not sure, this has just been a very very bad week for me. but i'm glad no one was taken aback by what i feared was a very pissy tone of voice i was taking on. i believe that i am now angry enough to bleach my hair after i get my edie sedgwick cut. i have had it short like that recently, but i've decided to scrap plans to grow it long enough for a bun. i'm out of that mood by now. anyway i was busy looking up edie pics to see if her hair was actually the same as mine used to be, and i got very distracted by the book which was called EDIE of course. i started to feel this gnawing obsession with tragedy growing on me as i was hypnotized by the sight of her utterly white limbs and haunted stare. i was greatly disturbed and had to set the book down and leave in a spooked state of mind. i think i'm having an identity crisis, in any case it was troubling to say the least and i can't explain why. maybe the concept of attractive dead people is just creepy to me and i never really did that whole gig, like my friends still do with james dean, or elvis or what not. hmmm. at least we can hope that isobel willnever end up jagging on amphetamines and getting silicone implants and all that fun stuff. nah she seems too wholesome for that. i digress. never mind. "does that mean that i'm getting boring?" you tell me..... Isobel has Arms of Sex too, you know. *Purrrr*.... leave me be. it's the only thing that cheers me up today, then so be it. lesleyJo (Still working diligently on the B&S collection of Phun Phonts) (who owns one bis record) (and thinks manda Rin is a spiffy bit of sugary-fluff) (NO not in THAT way you perv's.......) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Tue Dec 15 06:11:02 1998 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:11:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: paranoid psychotics anonymous Message-ID: i'd like to point out that the topic does not refer to anyone on the list. *ahem* so anyway, i just saw saint etienne tonight and they rocked the house. er, the bowery ballroom. so for those of you seeing them in london in a couple days, have fun!!! you'll love it. though i guess you already knew that. now things to reply to. At 3:55 AM 12/13/98, Ian MacDonald wrote: and that's where it stopped making sense. then brad and robbie's friend sam wrote about taking over the earth. well, i'd just like to say that when robbie swapped tapes with me he sent pictures of himself and the aforementioned sam doing certain things that i doubt anything terrestrial could accomplish. so i believe him. then brad made an attempt at the written language and said: >understand that, everything will be fine. it was all this guy's fault >named billy who showed up with johnny. he insisted that we "shed some >blood of the innocent" billy is the sweetest little kitten of a charming boy ever. and as chris leonard so helpfully pointed out, brad is a lion waiting to devour and maim. who do you believe? then john warrander started talking aobut making out with the pastels and went on about tag. john, i think you're a little obsessed here. however, tag is a common obsession among listmembers, especially canadian ones. so i wouldnt worry too much. oh, and mr miller, i forgot that i didn't tell you who buffy was, she's a vampire slayer. just wanted to clear that up. alright, back to business. content - none. ha! xox megan mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu visit the magnetic fields web page at: http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From parachute at xxx.net Tue Dec 15 06:27:50 1998 From: parachute at xxx.net (brad) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:27:50 -0500 Subject: Sinister: paranoid psychotics anonymous References: Message-ID: <36760166.1DA7@earthlink.net> magnetic megan spat: > then brad made an attempt at the written language... do i detect a hint of jealousy? > billy is the sweetest little kitten of a charming boy ever. well, he sure had some awfully bad things to say about your personal hygiene. > and as chris leonard so helpfully pointed out, brad is a lion waiting > to devour and maim. who do you believe? well, i've already had a little talk with chris about that and he sent me the following note that he said would be alright to share with everyone. _________________________________ brad, i have wronged you so. you see, it's all on account of my unfortunate upbringing whereas i didn't own a pair of underwear until i was 24, and, as one could expect, i'm chafed for life. imagine walking around in a wet bathing suit for a year straight, and you'll get only the slightest idea of the hell i'm in. so please understand that the pain becomes unbearable at times and i tend to lash out at those around me. please accept my apologies. i'm sure you're a cute and cuddly gerbil, and not the vicious lion i made you out to be. (p.s. you're my list crush). oh, and i don't know if you know who megan is, but she has poor personal hygiene....just ask billy. kisses, chrissy-poo ____________________________________________ so, poo! to you megan. setting the record straight, brad +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From xav at xxx.uk Tue Dec 15 06:40:00 1998 From: xav at xxx.uk (Mark Crutch) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:40 +00 Subject: Sinister: Shameless plug, and shameful pun Message-ID: <199812150640.GAA32721@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> As usual I've only just managed to dig myself out of a swampload of digests, so I've completely missed the tail end of the CS Lewis thread, which is where this belongs really. Anyway, all I really wanted to do was to shamelessly plug my website , on account of it containing several short stories and a complete novel. What's that to do with anything? Well, the novel has been described (and not by me, I hasten to add), as a cross between CS Lewis, Tolkein and Umberto Eco. My own preferred description has it between Tolkein and Pratchett - more humour than the former, but with more of a plot line than the latter. The first few chapters are a bit pants, and I'll probably re-write them one day, but it picks up quite quickly and becomes a rivetting read - even if I do say so myself. Of course, I'm not as sad as Doestoevky and not as clever as Mark Twain. There's quotes from other people who have read it on my pages if you don't believe me. Oh yeah, it's about 200,000 words long, which works out at just over a ream when printed on one side of A4 using the default Courier font built intointo the laser printer here at work. Not that I'm condoning such a misuse of company resources, oh no... On other matters: I'm a left handed very-amateur musician. Style somewhere between Black Lace, The Wurzels, and my 6 year old nephew on the saucepans. Kind of. Lastly I'll just add my comments about Pish Is Just A Modern Rock Song (PIJAMRS): it's fabbo! I can't stop humming the title track (I've not got any of the sessions, so this was the first time I'd heard it). I'm not too keen on the gate - though I did like IIWNTC, so I'm not anti-Isobel (though I would like to hold something against her <- smut content). Perhaps it'll grow on me. And as for Slow Graffiti - who'd of thought that anyone would ever write a song about the trials and tribulations of taking notes on a Palm Pilot. Xav +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From AT73506 at xxx.com Tue Dec 15 06:58:28 1998 From: AT73506 at xxx.com (schinnen exchange new car sales) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:58:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: only me Message-ID: <36760894.78A6C7B5@militarycars.com> alix campbell, of course you're right... 'tis but me, a plain old, simple, hum-drum alex. a dime a dozen... hehe, i'll try to at least think of some great stuff in the future. stuff that would be flattering were it attributed to you... will have to rack my brain for yonks (american english: a long, long time). alright, my atlantic/trans-atlantic friends... drop us a line. alex ----------------------------------------------------------- alex tobin pater romboutslaan 14 6419 be heerlen the netherlands phone +31.45.5711883 fax +31.46.443.3937 mobile +31.6.50603533 e-mail alex at tobin.demon.nl webpage http://www.tobin.demon.nl +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Tue Dec 15 12:09:10 1998 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:09:10 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Coming over all December Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E223A53AD@server1.HITEntertainment.com> I'm hoping that today I'm going to be in the appropriate state of mind to write great things (not the Echobelly song, thankfully - they were never the same after Insomniac - is that what it's called? The one that doesn't go "Mounted Police, carry me home", but something similar), as I'm feeling Disillusioned. With work. Everything else is great, really, especially with my gorgeous ex-sinister chickadee who I don't drivel on about nearly enough on the list, to the relief of you all, I'm sure. We'll both be at the Po Caff Xmas bash on Friday, though, so come and say hello to the balding mousy boy in flares and the cute dark-haired girl who is obviously dating below herself... Whether or not list c****s are a good thing is indeed debatable (Sophie Aldred's a minger, for a start), but I for one come into work every morning desperate for my next fix of Lesley Jo's passionate affair with the spectre of Isobel Campbell. And for this I'd like to award her the Carling Premier listee of the month award, to be presented in the form of an illegal copy of an old Headcoatees album. Lucky girl. I'm sure I had lots more to say...maybe not. Hello to the depressingly youthful and clever Rob B. and his lovely consort Emma (please god let her be called Emma, as she was quite charming and I don't want to upset anybody), and the depressingly smooth and laid-back Warrander John, all of whom combined to make me pay far less attention to the excellent Pastels experience than I should have. And a shout out to the depressingly fashionable Milla-Isobel, having a simply marvellous sojourn in New York City, in the off chance she reads this. And Nick Dastoor (phwoaar - see archives for explanation of poor joke of many moons ago) - Vicky says your tape is fantastic, and she can't wait for your next package (missus). And finally, a tearful byesy bye to the delightful Beth Cholet... Anyway, enough of that. I really don't have anything to say, do I? I would appreciate any Xmas present suggestions, though (both for me and maiden aunts, insane grandparents etc - I'm getting rather unhappy about the whole thing...). How come Catch 22 has never been discussed on this list? It seems the kind of book that many people will have read and some will have been profoundly affected by, myself more than anyone, and yet the archives reveal not a single mention. Which is a pity. I think I've read it about a dozen times now, and even bought a second copy of it so that I could lend it to people without having to part company with my beaten up old copy. I'm pretty crap on literature on the whole, which is why this is quite important to me. I have no tales of video shoots, or crushes on members of B&S (quiet lady P!), I find CS Lewis creepy and archaic, and I've never even glanced furtively at another mailing list's bum, let alone succumbed to their seductive pull. And I still don't have a cardigan. What am I doing here, exactly? And then I read the Duke's mail, and Alix's, and Lesley Jo's, and I remember. God, I wish I wasn't feeling so maudlin today. I need a holiday... Sod it, I want a pizza. A sorry and damp Mark xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Tue Dec 15 12:38:55 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:38:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Skip to the Loo my Darling! Message-ID: <01be2827$e26a3780$LocalHost@itjfvkli> I am now the proud owner of the Rotten Mod Song EP. What can I say that you don't know already? Nothing much. Slow Graffiti is my favourite B&S song by a country mile, the EP's poetical highpoint is the appearance of the lassies in the lavvies, and The Gate, despite not being a pop companion to FunkySeb's legendary pub polaroids, is quite a feisty little number, despite what we may have read elsewhere. I don't think I'd be speaking out of turn if I called it a Nutbush City Limits for the 21st Century. One thing that worries me ever so slightly is the cover. Mister Horne is sitting on a COMMUNIST PARTY FLAG! Does this mean that Stuart Murdoch will be participating in Stalinist pop pograms? I think it does. What's more, the first song lasts about seven minutes, and Fidel Castro's speeches tend to last about seven hours! Mere coincidence? Almost certainly. Can one of our Cheltenham listees check out Stuart's secret files, just in case? I am also sporting my new Study at Stow t-shirt, which I have tucked into my underpants as a tribute to Britain's number one orange-haired girly singer-songwriter. Only a few days to go until the Blue Soda Christmas Shindig at the Poetry Café, where one of these two young men: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/people/TrousScary.jpg will be your host for the evening. Yours sincerely, Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Tue Dec 15 13:55:43 1998 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:55:43 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: b&s rebel against technology Message-ID: *mwah* (both cheeks). oh dear, i've been hanging out with the university drama society too much again. anyway, here's my news: belle and sebastian BROKE MY CD PLAYER! they really did! well, kind of, temporarily. i was starting to compile a tape for my christmas listening pleasure, and the first track, naturally enough, was to be Le Pastie de la Bourgoisie. but as soon as i put the cd in everything went all weird and psychedelic and explosions started happening near the Play button and strange voices went 'nooooo, nooo'. not really. in fact it just didn't work. obviously i was more upset that i wouldn't be able to listen to b&s anymore than anything else, and so i started fiddling frantically with everything that could be fiddled with. technical genius that i am, it eventually worked. and that's the end of the story. it was a bit crap i suppose, but the mix tape is damn good if anyone wants a copy. :) i spent the whole of yesterday afternoon writing xmas cards, and it made me feel all warm inside. especially as some of the people i'm sending them to prbably won't be expecting one from me and hopefully they'll go, *head on one side* 'ahhh, rachel remembered me'. 'natch' means 'naturally' by the way, to whoever asked. it's quite an annoying term though, so don't bother cultivating its use. quicker to type i suppose. big virtual hugs, archel xxx ps: a thought: i bet i am the only person in the world who has bought a belle and sebastian album and a marilyn manson album on the same day. don't ask. "I want to drink a whiskey" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth rap101 at york.ac.uk http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nobody can be uncheered with a balloon." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From acook at xxx.uk Tue Dec 15 15:00:57 1998 From: acook at xxx.uk (Alasdair Cook MS1996) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:00:57 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Shooting him would've been much easier... Message-ID: <367679A9.59FBF557@cs.strath.ac.uk> Why just today, Sister Disco wrote: > One thing that worries me ever so > slightly is the cover. Mister Horne is sitting on a COMMUNIST PARTY > FLAG! Does this mean that Stuart Murdoch will be participating in > Stalinist pop pograms? I think it does. What's more, the first song > lasts about seven minutes, and Fidel Castro's speeches tend to last > about seven hours! I don't know if anyone else has read the amusing stories of the CIA's attempts to get rid of Castro, but here they are anyway: The CIA were desperate to get Castro out, but reckoned that nice easy assassination with a bullet was too risky (and not enough fun). So they came up with some quite novel plans, the first of which involved doping his cigars before key speeches so that he would be dicredited after delivering shambling monologues. Unfortunately all his speeches were like that anyway, so no-one actually noticed and back the CIA went to their Heath Robinson drawing board. The second incredible plan was to put a powder in his shoes that would make his beard fall out, the CIA believing that his beard was the source of all his powers and without it he would be robbed of his masculinity and charisma. Unfortunately there was one small flaw in the plan: it was bollocks. The powder failed miserably and the CIA were sent homewards, tae think again. The final plan involved the agency's biggest cock-up. The plan was to place exploding shells on the sea-bed near where Castro was known to scuba-dive, and the shells worked all right: they killed the agents who tried to position them. Quite funny, I thought. Except for the people dying, which is very sad. But still funny. Also, someone (I can't remember who as I accidently deleted the mail) asked what book they should read for their English class, and I suggest Catch-22, which has loads in it you can write about and is very funny/sad type stuff. Which leads me onto what Mark Casarotto said: > How come Catch 22 has never been discussed on this list? It seems the kind > of book that many people will have read and some will have been profoundly > affected by, myself more than anyone, and yet the archives reveal not a > single mention So, there, I've mentioned it. Discussions can be forthcoming, if you want. I find Nately's whore very funny, jumping out of bushes with knives and such like. Bye now Ally +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From travelling_light at xxx.com Tue Dec 15 15:28:30 1998 From: travelling_light at xxx.com (Kin Woo) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:28:30 PST Subject: Sinister: calling...RICH JUZWIAK! and MORE INFO NEEDED PEOPLE:) Message-ID: <19981215152831.4216.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello listees, This is just a short posting calling out to RICH JUZWIAK!!! Rich I'm terribly sorry but I've lost your email address! Can you forgive me? I'm been wanting to contact you as to whether you've received my package already (it's been nearly 3 weeks:) so please if you're reading this, write back to me and give me a shout! Also, why hasn't anyone besides the very generous Mike (GaoBest at aol.com who's from AMERICA!) told me what are the best record shops in London are? I NEED your help people in the know! What are the best second hand record shops that stock deleted/specialty/limited edition/rare stuff (esp Air, One Dove, Garbage, Belly and St Et)? Please tell if ya know! Know of any good gigs around that time too? Know of any good and interesting clothing shops that are relatively inexpensive??? Sorry for the barrage of questions peeps but I gotta bone up on all this info so I can check it out! Can I meet any lovely listees? Anyhow hope to hear from *some* peeps soon:) write either to the list (dunno if that would be ok with Honey though) this email addy, or my uni one: daftpunk at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Seeya folks Kin Woo With A Star Upon Your Shoulder Lighting Up The Path As You Walk ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MctaggartR at xxx.com Tue Dec 15 13:00:30 1998 From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:00:30 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Wee timourous beasties Message-ID: Hello Playdates, Wild Duke McDuke of the Clan McDuke said: >i cannae be arsed explaining. > >But i wasnae a GOTH. EVER. > >although that may just be because i cannae sing. I'm convinced, the Duke "wasnae" a Goth. He was a roadie for Runrig. He also said: >Oh yeah, and you can take that as proof that I WAS NEVER A GOTH. >honest, that was all just horrid gossip. who said that in the first >place? some glasgow boot wasn't it? John, the Duke just called your girlfriend a boot. It's time to prove your worth on the Sinister Fighting List. Chris Jones wrote: >I have noticed recently that some people are trying to sell >counterfeit cheesemeal imported from Andorra etc, etc.... Ah, those zany student days. Staying up quoting the parrot sketch, sometimes way past 11 o'clock, drinking...pints of beer. Oh, what a card. Andorra...no, no, stop it. Stitch me up my sides are splitting. Mick McMick said that Leslie Jo was new Genevieve. What a fickle bunch you are - what's wrong with old Genevieve? She's still here, switching between herself and Hank the legendary Wall Street banker. I swear to God, no-one captures the spirit of Sinister better than Genevieve. She rocks. Talking of Merchant Bankers, WeeJay said: >everyone knows that Tag is my list grudge;) Oh dear. Weej, one of your rabbits has same name as one of my cats, and you want to deny the special bond that gives us? I can't help thinking how devastated I'd be if I cared. I've been a right miserable bastard lately, but I'm not anymore. Actually, this is my last post for a while cos my girlfriend is coming over from Canada tomorrow and I'm going to hug her and kiss her, cos she's ace. That wasn't encoded, that was the truth. I'll still be following all your madcap capers, though. How could I not? Happy Christmas. Love tag x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From denisep at xxx.ie Tue Dec 15 15:43:02 1998 From: denisep at xxx.ie (Denise Power) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:43:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: i broke the internet ! Message-ID: oh I'm so-o cross. there I was forgetting my embargo on this list , typing away inrelatively good spirits , rambling about various things ie imagine your name was list and when people said hi list you'd think they were talking to you, a quaint little story about my tv viewing yesterday re : battersea dogs home and they the silly looking computer (WHICH I HATE : ARE YOU LISTENING POOTER ,I HATE YOU :{ grrr) it just crashed again but luckily while i was desperately banging buttons i accidently pressed postpone mail so now i am typing very gently so [whisper] the computer won't know i'm on. well the battersea dogs home had a story about a little dog called puppy who had to have his leg amputated. oh i was engrossed would he survive ... or not ? of course he did ! hurray and he shuffled around with his little stump , a survivor but it made me think , now there's a puppy who would only benefit from a little set of wheels of cart him around in... wuhay! possibly my first b&S reference ever, I'm more from the school of thought of bus stories etc. oh i got that single thing, this is just a modern rock song, from Road records , possibly the only place in dublin to stock it and put it away for you with your name on it and they say hi and bye (julie and Dave - them's is the bestest, don't you think ?) well i just lurveeeee the gate ; the lyrics admittedly are a bit weak, but her voice is amazing , tut tut those of you would criticised it...infact it is my favourite song from that little assortment. what else : oh yeah Alix : I was completely over Ed (my crush on him) and then we went to a christmas party and the poor little petal was at first in a swinging mood , things were going well, which was unfortunate because I had convinced myself I didn't like him and he kept kissing me {on the cheek} and it was really hard to remember that I didn't fancy him and then the caffeine tablets and the red bull and vodka that we were consuming kicked in and he had what can only be nicely described as a bit of a breakdown. so I tried to console him , lots of rubs to the back and hands etc, wiping away his tears - he really was very upset , except now I'm not very good at consoling people , and I nearly , oh okay , infact I did say ~cringe~ "don't worry, nobody's laughing at you." I think that sent him over the edge... so anybody wanna discuss their problems, I'm your person. Eventually there was only so much I could do so I gave him into the trusted care of his dishy cousin and danced myself silly. oh course I had nightmares then about him but the next day I said sorry for freaking me out , that it was just some chemical reaction the stuff had , that nothing was really worong with him... and now I've gone and fallen inlove with him again. PANTS !!!!! sorry if that was really boring , just trying to let you know.... ahem, remember me ???????? and my tape ??????? some excuses you can try out on me : a) I lost it b) it must have got lost in the post c) i can't remember your address d) I've lost interest in B&S e) I don't want to partake in illegal operations such as taping authorised materail f) I'm really bsy g) go away. okay listees, I will be unsubscribing forxmas becausei have to keep my channels clear for my postgrad prospects....ooooh so exciting. good-day friends dee +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From WarranderJ at xxx.uk Tue Dec 15 15:55:36 1998 From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:55:36 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Down Boy...Or Is That Up Boy? Message-ID: <51F7EB9834B0D011B56C0000F8303B0042625C@gateway.finnigan.co.uk> Hello all, I have come amongst you today to salute our very own Duke for his wise words about all this Tolkien and Narnia stuff: >i hate the Narnia/Tolkien crap. It's all fairy bollocks, isn't it? >All those bloody elves and goblins and trolls and shit. BORING. Liam Gallagher's favourite book ever is "The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe" so it's obviously for thickies with a reading age of about eight, which just happens to be the average reading age of British adults. Probably good to know shit like that before you start throwing accusations around about other nationalities being ill-educated and illiterate. And all books are shit anyway. Burn them. That's what I do. At our Party meetings. Chorlton and District Conservatives. Nice bunch us. Nice uniforms. The Duke's book has sold out at Waterstones in Manchester so I still haven't read it. And Megan thinks I'm only a little obsessed: >then john warrander started talking aobut making out with >the pastels and went on about tag. john, i think you're a little >obsessed here. No I'm not. I'm a lot obsessed. I'm a sick mutherfucker gonna kill someone obsessed. Not with Tag though. With another listee who I'm hoping to get a blow-job from when I vote him to the top, top, top of the list-crush charts. >however,tag is a common obsession among list members, >especially canadian ones. so i wouldnt worry too much. Oh yes, you're right, it is Tag I'm obsessed with. I'm not worried though. I'll sort it. Everything's under control. I'm common you know. Has everybody joined Shanana? Robbie and Sam have been saying Brad can't get it up. Or can't keep it up or something. And Manda Rin's been offering free head to anyone who'll defend Bis. My mum carries a cut-throat razor and headbutts people so I'll keep her away from the grown-ups' picnic. Could someone please kill Fat Les. I'M GONNA KICK YOUR ASS ------The Shalala Mob In my head: these fucking voices telling me to do bad things. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From janine at xxx.com Tue Dec 15 16:23:18 1998 From: janine at xxx.com (Janine Papp) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:23:18 -0500 Subject: Sinister: a few things Message-ID: dearest sinisterineeeees, a few things... first, I am going to have unsubscribe starting tomorrow until sometime after the new year since I will be traveling for a while and unable to check e-mail :( So... don't say anything bad about me or my spies will tell me. ;) ok, next: for those of you who asked for lists of record stores, I'm still happy to help you out, but it's going to have to wait until after new year's. sorry. but that's the way the biscuit grumbles. also: I know we've had discussions on this list about the meaning/implications/etc. of the word "twee" but does anyone know, etymologically speaking, the history of the word? I apologize if this has been discussed but I don't think this particular aspect has - and I'm asking because a friend of mine wants to know for a specific project and I thought you kids might be able to help out. so please e-mail me directly if you have an answer! and.... shameless self-promotion... I FINALLY finished issue #4 of my zine!!!! It's here and i'm so excited. woohooo... I would tell you to go to my website for Temple of Sting but it's terribly outdated, so I will update you when I get on the ball and update the site. needless to say, there's a lot of bee content. (even more shameless promotion, come see my band tomorrow at 8 at brownies if you live in nyc) anyway, I hope you all have wonderful fabulous times while I'm gone and happy holidays and whatnot. don't drink too much egg nog and definitely get under that mistletoe and snog. xo Queen Bee Janine +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bobbins2000 at xxx.com Tue Dec 15 16:45:52 1998 From: bobbins2000 at xxx.com (Beth Tilston) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:45:52 PST Subject: Sinister: Rainy people Message-ID: <199812151645.IAA03736@law-f109.hotmail.com> Hello, I'm new and uninitiated. I need someone to look after me and share their kitkat with me at breaktimes. I am sitting here in the library with the smell of rainy people in my nostrils and trying to work out what the hell some of you are going on about. What is this rabbit/clotted cream thingy all about? Someone help me please! Bye Bye Love Beth T XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From indiekid at xxx.com Tue Dec 15 18:23:14 1998 From: indiekid at xxx.com (Trevor T Treadmill) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:23:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Had B&S been chart compliant... Message-ID: <19981215182314.19598.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> ... where would their week's sales have put them in the charts? Above B*Witched? === Nobody knows I'm a lesbian _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Tue Dec 15 18:46:18 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:46:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Dinkle Bells Dinkle Bells Message-ID: <01be285b$3362cac0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> I've got Melody Maker now, and it's a right pile of wank. Thank goodness for Isobel, who decided to cheer us all up by posing for the centrespread photo pointing at a little sausage dog's bumhole and laughing. My guess is that the sausage dog was barking, causing its tiny sphincter to open and close in time with the woofs. "Oooh look Stuart!" she squeals with delight, "its bottomhole opens and closes llike your gormless gob when you're singing in the church choir! Tee-hee!" Stuart responds by bunny hopping after the hounds in an attempt to get a closer look at their doggy rectums in action, but his canine chums are frightened and run yelping into the nearest public lavatories, where their yelps echo eerily. I shall draw a discreet veil over what happens next. I'm surprised to see that Everett True is such a hey fatty bum bum! I thought he would be lean and mean and prowl the streets like a pop tiger. I should sack him if I were you Duke. You're right about all that gnome shit though. I prefer robots. Of course there can only ever be one Genevieve. Peter "...but in the future I would love to simply make coffee for people and listen to their problems" - Stuart Murdoch of Belle and Sebastian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Tue Dec 15 19:29:12 1998 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:29:12 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Typical Girls.... (HIP HOPPERZZZZZ!!!) Message-ID: <000801be2861$31b2e920$584d989e@elsato97> Hi, and why not. Just thought I'd say its been a downright smelly day! I had two two and a half hour exams. In one I had to translate a whole load of Spanish gumph about Military service, even though knowing my recent luck servicio militar probably means sack of dick. I didn't understand it at all. Sister Disco, it talked about a *milla*, does that mean you? I don't know what a milla is. Argh. I wrote a good essay on animal rights though. Yeeeah. BUT! I got some CDs in the post today! Woo-hah! Gosh. You know what? Male songwriters mostly are shite aren't they?? They all write from this hegemonic male viewpoint cos like, they're male cha - and wonder why women don't like their music, cos well, you are saying nothing relevant to over half the population except for your chauvanist arse. I've been listening to the Slits! They could whup all yo asses. Thats why I like Stuart M. Call him a big girlie but he does not right from the typical male viewpoint, which actually mean his lyrics are good!!! GIRLS! We're forming a girl group now, no boys allowed. WANKERS!!! You're all WANKERS!!! Oh well, apart from a few who are alright. You can't help being MALE OPPRESSORS MAN! I like JJ though, JJ's cool. Mmm, nice. Honeys nice too. Garys nice. WHo else is nice. Whoever. I don't care.....I don't care...thats a HMHB song that i've forgotten.... Sorry. I've got a cold. And I nearly cried, and then I just ate 4 bars of chocolate. Well, 3 bars and a packet of Revels. And one was a FLYTE. WHich is a chocolate milky way. I mean, I think I failed two exams, but I didn't cry about that! I felt bad cos I thought ok, I'll cheer myself up. I'm funny. Then I thought, yeah but there are nine million people better than you who everybody loves more!! Sarah you are like, the one thats vaguely amusing in the background but not really anything good or meaningfull!!! Waaah! Then I was told to come along to se Tony Hadley at Squires tonight by Frankie. I jest not, Tony Hadley from T'Ballet is playing a top (hehe) preston Niteklub. But thats only because Frankie is scared that other girl who is going might "pull" him, I think. I chortled. Then I went to my exam of espanol. And chortled once more. One question was about reading meters. Metros de contadores, I hope thats something to do with reading meters. Thats how I answered it anyway. The other fucking questions were on Military service!! I don't know!!! All I know is, it's there...you gotta do it....we haven't gone into it or anything...... But, I got in a passive sentence structure! Woo. English tomorrow!! Lessons Thursday! Ross's house and alky-hol on Friday, then someone elses house, then another pub, and then more alky-hol, then me probably dying from drink poisoning or something....yeah right with the amount of money I've got. heh. Officially engaged couple.....AAAAAAAAW!!! Toronoto woman and Chorlton Bloke.....AAAAAAAAWWW! If anyone else wants an AAAAAAW, i'll take requests. I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!! Fluffy Candarel +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From peter at xxx.uk Mon Dec 14 20:39:54 1998 From: peter at xxx.uk (Peter Brittain) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:39:54 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Pastels in Dundee Message-ID: <000901be2865$54f98840$1c26883e@default> Is anyone going to see the pastels in Dundee on Friday? Merry Christmas! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From peter at xxx.uk Tue Dec 15 20:41:48 1998 From: peter at xxx.uk (Peter Brittain) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:41:48 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Lyrics, Sonic Boom, and just how much can you write in a subject? seems to be quite a lot... Message-ID: <001f01be286b$5d2b8ee0$1c26883e@default> Howdy, Um, on the (sorry) sonic boom note (laaaa), i saw him playing in the rather cool and groovy venue of an underground nuclear bunker in Fife, I didn't really like it very much though, Add N to X however were absolutely fantastic. And speak and spells are great! On another note (#laaaa) Am I alone in not really listening to the lyrics in B&S songs and not really being bothered about lyrics at all? I just listen to the tune, the vocals just make it more interesting. I don't know the words to any B&S songs. P. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dec at xxx.uk Tue Dec 15 21:40:42 1998 From: dec at xxx.uk (Declan McGurk) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:40:42 -0000 Subject: Sinister: exam misery. and hi. Message-ID: <000001be2873$cca3f5c0$8700883e@m-gurk.freeserve.co.uk> hey everybody. after a few month absence i'm back. does anyone remember me? ah well here are the opinions you may have missed from me then: The Boy With... : a grower i suppose. not quite as charming as they usually are and i still question the existence of the appalling chickfactor. dirty dream #2 best song. Just Another... EP: mightily disappointing. will the band ever reach the heights of 3.. 6.. 9.. again? Fries Entertainment EP : not b and s by way. bloody hell. i bought this on the recommendation of Planet Sound. and its complete b*llocks. # pass the cyanide [pchuw]' cool . i'm doing me mock gcse's over the last week and a bit. they're well good. not exactly misery then. except last friday during me english language exam. i'd bought legend of zelda before i went into school and it was in my pocket the whole time. i just couldnae concentrate. me head were filled wit' images of Link running around, my mind was still in bed from the previous tuesday and my brain, who should've been thinking 'how can the young help the homeless?', was singing the stereophonics 'more life in a tramps vest'!! ok. intro over then. in fact whole thing over. but if anyone wants to discuss the genius of shane macgowan, please, erm, well, do. love you all later, Dec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tinystar at xxx.com Tue Dec 15 21:49:24 1998 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:49:24 -0500 Subject: Sinister: how do i double space? no b+s content at all Message-ID: <000a01be2874$ca49bca0$651e05d1@tinystar> hi, i realise this is probably not the place to do this, but i'm in the middle of an essay and just noticed that i have no idea how to double space my document in word pad 6.0. if anyone can tell me how i can double space, i will be forever grateful and think of you as i eat my dinner tonight. sorry for the inappropriate post, but i'm desperate here. i don't want to have to manually double space a 2000+ word essay . please help! love, jessicaxo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bkim0 at xxx.edu Tue Dec 15 21:53:23 1998 From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:53:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: To all you Jews out there... Message-ID: <199812152153.QAA88544@dept.english.upenn.edu> ...Happy Chanukkah.:) As an alumnus of U. Penn I became very aware of Jewish holidays, sometimes painfully so...my band played on-campus on what turned out to be Passover and needless to say nobody was there, just a few odd gentiles here and there. And that's when we fired our manager...well, anyway. I wasn't sure if it had been said yet on the list, but hope you all are getting some good loot. Heebophilically, Xavier -- BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0 at dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kellym at xxx.com> Tue Dec 15 23:22:02 1998 From: kellym at xxx.com> (kellym at xxx.com>) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:22:02 -0800 Subject: Sinister: i know why the summer blows Message-ID: <199812152324.PAA29701@macbeth.ienet.com> god. Its hot. The office air conditioner isn't keeping up. Its windy as hell. palm trees don't look festive. did i mention that my kitchen looks like hell? ok ok ok. enough complaining out of me for one day. i was reading the new bunnyhop today and noticed for the first time that the entire back cover ad is of twattybus. sell sell sell. doesn't emi wish they had kept enclave going a bit longer now... well, maybe not. who knows. i think this heat is making me tired. i can barely type without wanting to crawl under my desk with some of this wierd imported "bier" that's been sitting on my desk for a week. i have an office christmas party this week... isn't that very corporate of me? maybe not. ok, i'm rambling and not being very interesting in the process. enough of this summer weather, at least some rain would be nice... arg. dear god make me a bird so i can fly far, far away from here. -kelly ryan mcguire kellym at raygun.com (Before the 18th of December) kmcguire at psnw.com (After the 18th of December up to January 4th) kellym at inhell.com (Soon enough) PS- If you emailed me earlier with offers of tour guides or information or hotel stuff or anything like that regarding my trip to London on the 26th of Dec-1st of Jan, please email me so we can make some prelim. plans. If you havent emailed me and you would care to spend some time with an idiot rock kid in london this holiday season, please do so. if you think i'm a twat, just go on about your day. thanks. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From conform at xxx.com Tue Dec 15 23:36:34 1998 From: conform at xxx.com (Seamus Campbell) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:36:34 -0800 Subject: Sinister: sha na bis na na bis na na sha na na bis na Message-ID: <01FF24001403D011AD7B00A024BC53C53BF325@mail.deming.com> alright, i'm in i'm subscribed; brad makes me laugh. but why, brad, why the irrational bis prejudice? such anger is unbecoming. plus they rock. seamus > -----Original Message----- > From: brad [SMTP:parachute at xxx.net] > Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 7:26 PM > To: sinister at majordomo.net > Subject: Sinister: sha na na na na na na na sha na na na na > > > so whoever wants to join, come on. it won't be near as much traffic as > this list. only one requirement, though. you must, must make us laugh. > and i don't mean knock knock jokes. basically all the funny shit that > happens on this list, but nothing but. and no subject will be taboo > (except bis). > > so, if you want to join, go to http://shanana.listbot.com > > and don't ever buy a bis record. > > -brad > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ImThomsGrl at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 00:38:27 1998 From: ImThomsGrl at xxx.com (ImThomsGrl at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:38:27 EST Subject: Sinister: sha na bis na na bis na na sha na na bis na Message-ID: <7c5300c1.36770103@aol.com> << > so whoever wants to join, come on. it won't be near as much traffic as > this list. only one requirement, though. you must, must make us laugh. > and i don't mean knock knock jokes. basically all the funny shit that > happens on this list, but nothing but. and no subject will be taboo > (except bis). > > so, if you want to join, go to http://shanana.listbot.com > > and don't ever buy a bis record. > > -brad >> Hahaha oh come now... bis aren't all that bad... They're acturally quite amuthing! They're alrite. byebye +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From davedwin at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 00:24:35 1998 From: davedwin at xxx.com (David Clewett) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:24:35 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Popscene Mayhem Message-ID: Evenin' folks So I was gettin' my groove on at Popscene in San Francisco last week and out of nowhere two bands appear. Both the Cardigans and Placebo show up and me thinks to myself "interesting," for not too many bands come to Popscene just to dance. The Cardigans had the back of the club completely closed off for them, but they simply said "no." Apparently they just wanted to mingle amongst the mods, as well they did (tee-hee). But Placebo is a completely different tale. For simply no good reason at all one of the members started to rough up a very darling little bartender. As I understand it soon the whole band was jumping down his throught. I'm sure they were just drunk wankers but that is no excuse to terrorize anyone, especially this bartender. So i am beseeching all-ya-all to join me in my Placebo boycott, a veritable crusade against them, nevertheless. On another note... Catch-22 One of the most excellent books I have ever read. Just call me Yosarian! What do you think about the movie? With Orsen Wells and Anthony Perkins can anybody go wrong? I think not. Edwin HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kopnicki at xxx.edu Wed Dec 16 06:37:02 1998 From: kopnicki at xxx.edu (Keith Kopnicki) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:37:02 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Popscene Mayhem Message-ID: <001401be28be$7e7d7100$14160880@default> i'm going to see placebo for 99 cents thursday night. sorry mate. -----Original Message----- From: David Clewett To: sinister at majordomo.net Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 5:32 PM Subject: Sinister: Popscene Mayhem > >Evenin' folks > >So I was gettin' my groove on at Popscene in San Francisco last week and out of nowhere two bands appear. Both the Cardigans and Placebo show up and me thinks to myself "interesting," for not too many bands come to Popscene just to dance. The Cardigans had the back of the club completely closed off for them, but they simply said "no." Apparently they just wanted to mingle amongst the mods, as well they did (tee-hee). > >But Placebo is a completely different tale. For simply no good reason at all one of the members started to rough up a very darling little bartender. As I understand it soon the whole band was jumping down his throught. I'm sure they were just drunk wankers but that is no excuse to terrorize anyone, especially this bartender. So i am beseeching all-ya-all to join me in my Placebo boycott, a veritable crusade against them, nevertheless. > >On another note... >Catch-22 One of the most excellent books I have ever read. Just call me Yosarian! What do you think about the movie? With Orsen Wells and Anthony Perkins can anybody go wrong? I think not. > >Edwin > > >HotBot - Search smarter. >http://www.hotbot.com >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jesandy at xxx.edu Wed Dec 16 06:14:54 1998 From: jesandy at xxx.edu (jennifer) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 01:14:54 -0500 Subject: Sinister: video shoot Message-ID: <01be28bb$662a5bc0$1f159f95@jimmy..> after surviving 2 finals, i actually have time to write about my trip to athens to be in the video... the whole trip was so grand! i met jonathan about 24 hours before i decided to go with him, lucky for me he turned out to be a really awesome guy! the drive down (from indiana) was a bit long, due to some unforeseen erm changes in direction... (sorry jonathan!) the weather was sort of overcast but we filmed for a few hours on saturday, lance and dan are the greatest guys on earth! we all had a lot of fun, despite it turning cold and almost getting caught on the train tracks at the wrong time. hello to jonny and billy and everyone else! jonathan was filmed making a sand angel and is still finding sand in his ears and other places. my stunt didn't go so well, i tried my best but the balloon wouldn't blow up! so i was filmed looking directly into the camera, hopefully i wasn't scowling inadvertently. we went along for the filming on sunday as well, where jonathan got cut on barbed wire. i think he was the stunt man for the weekend! once again my part didn't work, i think fate was against me. we met jesse and shannon who were amazingly nice, they did a really lovely car wash scene that i'm sure will look great. and we didn't want to leave! athens is a great town, everyone was so kind and fun, it was one of the best weekends i've had in a really long time. so hello again to everyone we met and keep in touch! and a huge thank you to lance, who really is one of the nicest persons i've ever had the pleasure to meet. i can't wait to see how it turns out! jennifer +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frantila at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 10:16:32 1998 From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:16:32 EET Subject: Sinister: mumbo jumbo and bad song by B&S... and trendy stuff too. Message-ID: <19981216081632.23470.qmail@hotmail.com> Hey you lovely sinisterians here, ive got a problem. "What will the trendsetters do, when they run out of alphabets?" Ok, my problem is that sentance. Is that by Douglas Coupland or have I said something Really smart and cool sounding? You know, this X-generation crap and such. Cause I just heard yesterday that I'm part of the Y-generation (although I really HATE all these stupid "Ooh- youre-a-businesswoman-so-youre-part-of-the-AMcBeal-phenomenan"), a member of these under X-generationists. Well, I had a thought, that when the Z-generation comes, we've run out of alphabets. Will all the trendsetters start to use scandinavian letters after that, �, � and �? Or will they start to use numbers? But back to my question: Has D. Coupland said something in the lines of that, or is that really something I just happened to think? Hmm... Help me!!! Ok, on to other stuff now. I've been thinking, all you guys seem to be quite big fans of you-know-what-band. Well, maybe we should have a discussion about the WORST songs from B&S. Maybe some kind of a "worst three songs by B&S" discussion? Hmmm, hard, I know. But I just listened to "You made me forget my dreams", and I thought it was a bit: a) Dull, musically and b) lyrically a bit daft. 'Cause I have a hunch that you guys CAN be objective about music, even about B&S... Some people have critisized "The gate" in here, but I cant really say a thing about it since I STILL don't have that new single/EP/whatever it is. Fooking recordstore, they're slow as hell... And another thing, in no relation to other stuff I've said here: I went to Semifinal club here in Helsinki on sunday. Markus Nordenstreng, this ACE finnish singer/songwriter played there. Well, I had a date (first one in over 4 months, yeah!), and the place was ideal for that. The music he playes is basically this calm, slow acoustic music, soooo beautiful. And the place was decorated by candles, and we sat in the corner by the candlelight... And after that we went to my place to have a few glasses of red wine and on the background we had... Belle & Sebastian. Have to say it was one of the most wonderful sundays I've ever had. Now listening to: "Pet Sounds" by the Beach Boys. Now thinking of: This evening. In my mouth: bad taste from coffee and cigarettes. @--->-- a rose, love and other pretty stuff, jarkko fr�ntil�. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alex at xxx.nl Wed Dec 16 10:33:17 1998 From: alex at xxx.nl (alex tobin) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:33:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: b&s review Message-ID: <36778C6D.38E74CF@tobin.demon.nl> for those german-speaking listees, just wanted to let you know that my favourite review of the boy with the arab strap (written by a friend) is posted at my site. it's taken from an issue of musikexpress in germany. aside from that, my offer is still up for anyone wanting to start a little e-zine, so let me know if you're interested. anything goes... well, almost! cheers and bye for now, alex http://www.tobin.demon.nl +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Wed Dec 16 13:06:39 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 05:06:39 -0800 Subject: Sinister: desperate 5 am ramblings Message-ID: <000a01be28f4$ebd83920$1511020a@rebelstrange> here i am, posting again. inspired at the last least likely moment. Mark C croons deliciously: work every morning desperate for my next fix of Lesley Jo's passionate affair with the spectre of Isobel Campbell. And for this I'd like to award her the Carling Premier listee of the month award, to be presented in the form of an illegal copy of an old Headcoatees album. Lucky girl. ************************** and now: (gasps with delight, rushing up to the podium nearly tripping on the marabou trim of her mint green gown, and attempting to cover up the low neckline in a sorry attempt at faux modesty....'jo takes the mike in her slightly-trembling and clammy hands, and dabs her over-thick mascara before speaking. a prosthetic eyelash tips off and lands un-gracefully inside the bodice...) Oh thank you all, i am so excited to be here, uh......to receive this um, uh carling Listee award, you are all FABULOUS dears, i want to thank oh uh, the academy, the gorgeous Mark C, all the listees who hav emade this possible........uh what, uh oh excuse me, ahem, and um my true love and fiancee Isobel, who is in the audience tonite.....there you are dear! and uh, thank you baby jesus, thanks to Xavier for gracing me with the beauty of Francoise and France and nick drake and Felt, thanks to Genevieve, Honey, tuff Jess, and my handlers for doing such a great job pulling those strings, youre' all lovely, MWAH, mwah, everyone in Sinisterland. i can't wait to have my Illegal Hollygolightly fun, this is the greatest night of my life, oh my god oh my god!!! and thanks to......*a giant crooked cane materializes, ripping her off the stage and into the waiting white van......* Oh, and thank you to jeepster Gods for bestowign upon me the feast of happiness now before us....having just received my arab strap poster, and my badges. ooh my fave is the one of Belle on the bike!!! yeah yeah! and the poster is really so beautiful, even if it has a boring photo on it, it's still a nice color, and it's all in black and green and silver lettering, my favorite color combo by FAR. and it says is it wicked not to care, so i'm happy happy happy and planning to display it proudly. i've already hooked all the buttons onto my favorite odd fuzzy jacket for easy showcasing at home and on the go, spreading the gospel of buxom Fun far and wide, praise the saints for that! if genevieve is still listening, hope i didnt' give the impression i was prepared to "take you place" cos i think you're lovely lovely!! for what it matters. 'im not all that great anyway. it's really pretty shameful to discuss your sad pop star obsessions in public, rather exhobitionist of me, but then again i always dream about showing off in public, so i know i have that streak in me. thank you for having not killed me yet. NEWS FLASH! how will you get me to strike a pose? my new photo i discovered has been posted to the photo album, very rapidly indeed. in case you're wondering do i dress like that every day, well, unfortunatley you've got me there, yes indeed i do, and it makes me quite a lot of money, so staring and name-calling isn't very polite mind you! the geekly mark crutch smirks rudely: the gate is alright enough. count me in as an isobel defender.. stevie thomas jackson, however, is an entirely diffferent matter altogether. why do they let the man sing, or worse yet, write songs? i like seymour stein, especially the smiths references, but the first song on the new ep should be called "this is just a good song except for the bit when stevie sings"; and i agree with whoever said that chickfactor is simply appalling: trite lyrics, poor arrangement, lack of discernible structure or melody or... i could go on call this the great stevie jackson debate of late 1998 ] and sometimes i too feel more fulfilled when making christmas cards with the mentally ill +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frantila at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 14:41:29 1998 From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:41:29 EET Subject: Sinister: orgasm Message-ID: <19981216124129.29431.qmail@hotmail.com> Some american scientists discovered that a sneeze is 1/1000000 of an orgasm. Does that mean that if i buy some sneezepowder and invite some friends to my place we'd have a minor orgy? @--->--- a rose, love and potherr nice stuff, jarkko fr�ntil�, a devoted fan of everything that is cute and silly. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From AEvans at xxx.uk Wed Dec 16 12:41:09 1998 From: AEvans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:41:09 -0000 Subject: Sinister: TCS Operational Costs Message-ID: <25CC9C11BD12D111BA5500805F8B63691C7D04@COR-EXG1> Declan McDeclan Wrote : Just Another... EP: mightily disappointing. will the band ever reach the = heights of 3.. 6.. 9.. again?= Do you want a regular or large portion of knob-cheese with that sir ? Why on earth can't people except that a band might want to move on and experiment with different sounds. Go out and buy yourself another copy of 369.. and snowpake the title out and call it what you like. I for one think the EP is fuckin excellent, apart from TIGHTJUMPERS which only gets going after about 4 minutes which therefore in my eyes makes it a 3 minute gem. IKWTSG is cool and sounds like Foster and Allen on E. The Gate is perfectly charming, and Slow Graffiti as Mr Miller so quaintly put, the best B&S song by a country mile. Sorry for being so rude, it seems to be catching round these parts. I don't like BIS either, but I'm not going to tell 800+ peo...oh fuck. Peter Miller wrote : You're right about all that gnome shit though. I prefer robots. And porn stars mate. Books not worth reading unless its got porn stars in it. Trevor T Treadmill is the best name on the list ever ever ever. I bet you got a big afro with sidies like fucking ski-slopes...smashing. Isn't "Buy one get one free" just the best thing ever ? Ev - The Guru of the Settee. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Wed Dec 16 13:19:43 1998 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:19:43 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: everyone thought it was a shame Message-ID: dear diverse, argumentative people, outsiders may consider us a verily 'sinister' bunch, all really rather homogeneous in our unwavering support of b&s, but PROOF that we are not is in this whole good/bad b&s song opinion thing, where, kerraazily enough, we are all far from agreeing. eg: someone wrote that 'you made me forget my dreams' is dull and the lyrics are silly, or some such thing. when i first heard that song i cried, and it's still one of my favourites. i think it's a song about war, but it might just be about seedy sex. i don't really care, to be honest, as the lines 'we had peace for a night at least/but the trouble starts today/this morning you'll say/'i'll see you sometime maybe anon' are just lovely and seemed strangely RELEVANT to my life at the time. nuff said. as for chickfactor, i'd like to defend that from its multiple attackers too, though of course everyone is entitled to their opinion (*mouth goes all pursed up, glasses come to rest at end of nose, sniffs disdainfully*. audience falls asleep.) it strikes me as quite different from much of b&s's other stuff, which could be why some people don't like it, but is also why i do. the tune is one of those 'ooh, it's slow, but what do you know? it's catchy too' things, and the lyrics are pretty fine: 'when i get back to London from outer space/will i fall into place?' nothing wrong with that AT ALL. yay. right, missionary bit over for the day. if anyone can convince me that 'the rollercoaster ride' is a masterpiece then they can have a sweetie. luv archel (currently failing to write an essay) ps: brad and robbie are clearly the spawn of satan and shouldn't be allowed to corrupt dear cardie-wearing poppets with their evil programme of indoctrination. sha na na want your soul. resist! (just kidding lads, keep on sodomising those animals, yeah.) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth rap101 at york.ac.uk http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nobody can be uncheered with a balloon." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Wed Dec 16 13:41:16 1998 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:41:16 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Not in the face! Not in the face! Message-ID: <3677B87C.EFA3912B@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Hullo, Jarkko FrXntilX writes... > Ok, on to other stuff now. I've been thinking, all you guys seem to be > quite big fans of you-know-what-band. Well, maybe we should have a > discussion about the WORST songs from B&S. Maybe some kind of a "worst > three songs by B&S" discussion? Hmmm, hard, I know. But I just listened > to "You made me forget my dreams", and I thought it was a bit: > > a) > Dull, musically and > > b) > lyrically a bit daft. > > 'Cause I have a hunch that you guys CAN be objective about music, even > about B&S... Some people have critisized "The gate" in here, but I cant > really say a thing about it since I STILL don't have that new > single/EP/whatever it is. Fooking recordstore, they're slow as hell... The reason no one has done this is because you can't be objective about music, as it is...ta da, a subjective medium, like painting, pottery, performance art, lithography, printmaking, mixtape-making, or e-mailing. Well, all but that last one. You can sometimes find a lot of people who like one song, or a lot of people who don't like a song, but there is usually someone who likes each B&S song, even "You Made Me Forget My Dreams." Just because someone is in the minority on something, it doesn't make them wrong, at least in this case. For instance, I finally got the DJMARSBAR EP and I think that Modern Rock Song is one of the most boring B&S songs ever. Now, as I've noted in people's reviews, I'm not alone in disliking it. I don't feel that just because I don't like it, it's objectively bad, as that's just silly. I just don't happen to like it. To me it sounds like B&S covering themselves, and doing it rather uninspired and long-winded. The lyrics certainly are ace, though. Just a few differences between the studio and the session versions. Okay, and whoever said The Gate was their worst song, it appears to have set out quite a debate. It *does* sound a lot like Go Sailor (Tiger Trap and T. Gosh were too punk to sound like that, most of the time) but in a charmingly B&S way. Yes, the lyrics aren't the wonderfullest, and yes, the chorus is kinda weak, but I still like the song a lot. It reminds me of some solo material my friend did, except I like her voice better than Isobel's (and 99% of the other humans on this planet) and she doesn't have a small orchestra of Glaswegians backing her. Oh, and the organ bits at the end of the song sound like they were nicked from the amazing session version of Sleep the Clock Around. Nice to hear them, finally, a shame they weren't on Sleep the Clock Around though, it might have turned out a bit better. Gotta hurry, so this'll be quicker... I Know Where the Summer Goes, nice surprise there, didn't expect it to sound so good. Live it wasn't really amazing, but recorded it is a relaxing jaunt along the lines of most of TWATTYBUS. And lastly, Slow Graffitti is wonderful, utterly. Somehow it even surpasses the session, probably because you can hear all the parts. I can't say a whole lot about it, and if I do I'll probaly be late for work, so I'll just let that be all about it. I must say that without The Gate to break it up, this EP might grate on me as sounding too similar, and might get me wondering if B&S had gotten in a rut. Well, without the Gate and SLow Graffitti I guess. /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - bp224995 at ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | - Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Wed Dec 16 15:49:56 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:49:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: orgasm In-Reply-To: <19981216124129.29431.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Jarkko Fr�ntil� wrote: I think you would have to wear condoms on your noses. > > Some american scientists discovered that a sneeze is 1/1000000 of an > orgasm. Does that mean that if i buy some sneezepowder and invite some > friends to my place we'd have a minor orgy? God, I can't even bear the thought of sneezing any more. If a sneeze is an orgasm, than I am one of the hottest women around because I have been sneezing and coughing and sweating and miserable for the past week. Sex, what's that? Arrgghhh. Last night I just lay in bed and coughed all over Anders all night. I felt worse than Christiane F. during the withdrawal scene and I've never even done heroin. Damn. But I'll be well again soon and these obnoxious pseudo-orgasms will be but a distant memory. Hey, does anyone know of anything fun to do in L.A. for New Years? That's where we'll be. Ciao, Heather "And every day at three you throw me down by the Christmas tree I watch your lights blink on and off while you start your fun with me I know your reasons and I know your goals we can fuck forever but you will never get my soul" -The Gun Club +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ooon at xxx.th Wed Dec 16 16:11:18 1998 From: ooon at xxx.th (oon) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:11:18 +0700 Subject: Sinister: inflatable honey and jasmine nights Message-ID: <3677DBA5.63000A5@samart.co.th> i've recently discovered that my computer is roughly 3 years late. i sent a message to the list last week, on which the date appeared to be Tue, 16 Jan 1996. does that make it the first ever post to the list, honey? honey? honeeeeeeeeey???? chris leonard, how about doubling the dose of your porn-via-email schedule. you might manage to bringing him back to life. (in my head flash up an intriguing image of honey being an inflatable toy. with chris being... um chris doing things you do to inflatable toy. i think it's called blowing up, but it sounds like a rude word so i'm not gonna use it.) PyJaMaman wrote; > ......where their yelps echo eerily. I shall draw a discreet > veil over what happens next. no wonder sarah excels at essaying on animal rights. plenty of writing materials around here. and plenty more on shanabis list no doubt. on another topic entirely, i'd like to recommend a little novel for your reading pleasure. 'Jasmine Nights' by a Thai writer P.S.Somtow. probably what you call coming-of-age story about a thai boy who refuses to speak thai, obsessed with greek myth, lizard pet, nanny and her smutty blackmagic and many other things. living in his family estate back in the 60's. it's a bizarre story by any standard. very very funny. it's published in England about 10-3 years ago (sorry, can't remember) so maybe it should be available there as well. merry christmas and happy new year to every lovely one. i shall be working on christmas day, as usual. P O O O O O O O to b****** world i say. oon xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wilde77 at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 16:13:18 1998 From: wilde77 at xxx.com (r. h.) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:13:18 PST Subject: Sinister: everyone thought it was a shame Message-ID: <19981216161320.16667.qmail@hotmail.com> >ps: brad and robbie are clearly the spawn of satan and shouldn't be >allowed to corrupt dear cardie-wearing poppets with their evil >programme of indoctrination. sha na na want your soul. resist! ouch baby that hurt. let me clear for the record that noone wants your soul although their is some weird alein floating around the list now that might want to give you an anal probe. and i don't even know brad i don't know where anyone got that. well not personally at least. we met one night in a sex chat line. but we do want to make you laugh or should i say you make us laugh. and apparently girl you got the goods. an attempt like that to make fun of someone could make you queen of the sha na na. but we do have straight conversations like just yesterday courtney blessed us all with great stock tips. now girl give big daddy a hug and be on your way. as far as belle and sebby go whoever said that "you made me for get my dreams" was shit is.........well, intitled to their own opinion. and that is a good thing right? but for whoever said that stevie didn't sound good on TIGGERJAMMIES should be taken out and beaten. and remember kiddies, it's hard to read sarcasm. robbie. > >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Rachel Playforth >rap101 at york.ac.uk >http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >"Nobody can be uncheered with a balloon." > > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Wed Dec 16 16:13:07 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:13:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Dingleberry Rock Message-ID: <01be290e$f7a020a0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Yesterday I rather foolishly suggested that Everett True was a boring fat slob. Little did I realise that Mister True had accused himself of the very same thing further down the page: "Ah, I forgot that not everyone's an anal 30-something boy rock collector with a passion for fashion and a memory almost as large as his beer belly." So I wouldn't fire him after all, Duke. What's more, he mentions Dexy's Midnight Runners in two reviews on the trot, and most of the reviews finish with "send 2.50 to blah blah blah..." which is indie-tastic. Dexy's fans would love it round here at the moment, as they are breaking down the walls of heartache by advertising a new phone company. Another thing that caught my eye in MM was the following: "When changing guitars during the set, Adam unplugs and takes the guitar off and swaps with the next one Simon's holding - which has the volume down - and plugs in and turns up." I was just wondering whether the B&S mob have their instruments turned down when they swap them. Does anyone know? Sarah, I agree with everything you say, it's great that Stuart Murdoch writes from a bird's point of view sometimes, 'cos otherwise chicks don't get a say in rock, apart from PJ Harvey and Hilda Baker, and neither of them are really fit bits, are they? I mean, I wouldn't say no, but you know what I mean. Oon has sent me a picture of a mysterious oriental beauty with her kit off, but it's a painting, so it doesn't count. Mind you, credit where credit's due, the nipples are quite good. Thanks Oon! Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mcerzinsky at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 15:07:04 1998 From: mcerzinsky at xxx.com (Mark Cerzinski) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:07:04 PST Subject: Sinister: Me And The Major Message-ID: <19981216150704.17522.qmail@hotmail.com> Ok People, Here's the deal. I think it's starting to get plainly obvious that Jeepster just aren't pushing Belle and Sebastian hard enough or far enough. It's ludicrous that they've been getting away without doing any proper interviews and not having their photos in the music press. We're their fans and we deserve better. Would it really have been so difficult to prune a track from the Modern Rock Song EP so that we could at least get excited listening to the new chart rundown? And even dreaming about a slot on "Top of the Pops" for the best band in Britain would be better than nothing, no hope at all. I really think B&S should sign to a major label now, before the potential they have is lost. They would be promoted better, have better tours in proper, established venues and their records would be easier to find and buy. Let's face it, B&S are a Radio 2 band. Grannies listen to Radio 2 and they buy their CDs in Woolies and Asda. They need a major label. Thanks for listening, Love, Mark xxx ***************************** Mark Cerzinsky 78 Victoria Street Headingly Leeds L56 1DR e-mail: MCerzinsky at hotmail.com "They've put a man on the moon and they can't even cure the common cold!" ***************************** ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bkim0 at xxx.edu Wed Dec 16 16:00:34 1998 From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:00:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: What does a hot desk smell like? Message-ID: <199812161600.LAA83514@dept.english.upenn.edu> Not a Zen mind-clearing riddle, just a personal question of mine. I can't imagine this smell or even any metaphorical connections. An odd phrase if I may say so, almost anti-evocative. On the Simpsons last night: Bart: "What's that?" Homer: "Son, they call this a droodle. (spins it) Woo-hoo, look at it go!" Xavier -- BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0 at dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Philly1013 at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 15:51:11 1998 From: Philly1013 at xxx.com (Philly1013 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:51:11 EST Subject: Sinister: everyone thought it was a shame Message-ID: <82442724.3677d6ef@aol.com> Hello List, This absolutely not constructive possible debate over the worst, or shall we say least favorite, song is right up my alley. This is my first time posting, I'm Phil, and I'm a Belle and Sebastian fan ("Come on everyone, let's give him a round of applause. You all remember how hard it was to admit it at first") But anyway, the reason this is right up my allley is because it's a debate that'll endlessly chase it self round in circles and prove itself pointless in the end. So basically, what I'm trying to say, is I'll never give up waging the unnecessary war. Maybe it's the red-blooded American in me, who's spent far too much time in the hopelessly mild-mannered Canada, rearing its ugly head. Well if I were to have to argue for a B&S being particularly offensive, the aforementioned "Chickfactor" certainly comes to mind. As far as I'm concerned if I want annoying schmaltz I'll go borrow my friend's Andrea Bocelli CD. "Fox in the Snow" has been known to bring me closer to convulsions than the profound state of joy brought on from other tunes. I'm sure I could go on, but I really shouldn't... But who was it who was complaining about "Rollercoaster Ride???" I find it an absolute masterpiece to say the least. I noticed from the Jeepster site's poll it doesn't seem to be high on many people's lists, and am curious to know why? It's a lovely tune with some of the best harmonising the mighty Isobel has offerred, and the lyrics are perfect in that what's-he-going-on-about sort of way. It had the the tough task of trying to top "Judy and the Dream of Horses" for best possible song to end an album, but I think it almost does. Almost, oh "Judy" is such a lovely song......let's not digress now.... Carry on, Phil +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gary at xxx.uk Wed Dec 16 18:57:39 1998 From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:57:39 -0000 Subject: Sinister: I think I may die for this one. In-Reply-To: <199812161123.LAA13454@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000001be2925$f3fe2340$5138883e@whelan> Hello all... Mr Miller wrote... "I'm surprised to see that Everett True is such a hey fatty bum bum! I thought he would be lean and mean and prowl the streets like a pop tiger. I should sack him if I were you Duke. " Yes please do, I hate Everett True, he's such a brown nosing tosser. Speaking of tossers, Fluffy wrote... "GIRLS! We're forming a girl group now, no boys allowed. WANKERS!!! You're all WANKERS!!! Oh well, apart from a few who are alright. You can't help being MALE OPPRESSORS MAN! I like JJ though, JJ's cool. Mmm, nice. Honeys nice too. Garys nice. WHo else is nice. Whoever. I don't care.....I don't care...thats a HMHB song that i've forgotten.... Sorry." It's Running Order Squabble Fest. "I don't care, I don't care, hello boys there's a change of plan, YOU'RE GOING ON AFTER CRISPY AMBULANCE...repeat in a football terrace chant style a few times". Anyway, how come I'm only third on your list of nice blokes and I didn't get an Mmm nice. Right you're dumped for that. 87) "Then I was told to come along to se Tony Hadley at Squires tonight by Frankie. I jest not, Tony Hadley from T'Ballet is playing a top (hehe) preston Niteklub. " PAH!, Tony Hadley, I'd rather have gone to see Beppe from Eastenders at Tokes, or Les Battersby at least. "English tomorrow!! Lessons Thursday! Ross's house and alky-hol on Friday, then someone elses house, then another pub, and then more alky-hol, then me probably dying from drink poisoning or something" What you mean like being sick all night or something ?. 87) That's all Gary +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 98046683 at xxx.uk Wed Dec 16 18:18:03 1998 From: 98046683 at xxx.uk (Jonathan) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:18:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: BIS Message-ID: <16757AE1E7A@ghondr.mmu.ac.uk> Just a thought, BIS ARE SHITE. Thank you. Jon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 98046683 at xxx.uk Wed Dec 16 18:36:37 1998 From: 98046683 at xxx.uk (Jonathan) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:36:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: BIS Message-ID: <167A6CF25B9@ghondr.mmu.ac.uk> Oooooh, Sorry i pissed you off your high horse, Is there actually anything wrong with that post or do you care so much for the mighty BIS. Tar +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk Wed Dec 16 20:31:06 1998 From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:31:06 -0000 Subject: Sinister: It's already Thursday, and soon it'll be Friday night Message-ID: <01be2933$020f9880$046b9ac2@g5-200-1> Sorry I've been away, boys and girls, but I'm currently on the run. You might remember that last time I was here, I threatened to spill the beans on the mysterious cabal that is Sha La La. I shoulda known they wouldn't let me get away with it.... When I got home that night I was horrified to discover the severed head of a My Little Pony in my bed. The next day I received a threatening letter, composed with individual letters cut out of old copies of Bunty magazine. And then the men in the black anoraks started appearing... So I'll make this quick. As Mr Miller helpfully informed you the other day, this Friday at 7.30pm is the Sinister Xmas party at the Poetry Cafe on Betterton Street in Covent Garden, London. Everyone is welcome. It's gonna be a fiver to get in, which is a bit more than usual, but there will be plentiful food provided. Contrary to Petula Pumpkin-Wumpkin's suggestion, this will not consist of beans on toast, but will be a grand affair arranged by my friend Edward the Italian Chef. As if this wasn't enticing enough, I can reveal that we will have a guest of honour.... The other day I received a message from a certain student of Bangor University, confirming that he would attend. Yes, Richard North himself will there. The very thought of the young knight Northy finally meeting his Jedi Master, Tag, gets me all a-quiver. It will surely match the moment Keith met Roddddd at Shepherd's Bush for poignancy. For full details see the noticeboard on the jeepster page or email me privately. Avanti! Stevie Trousers +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dec at xxx.uk Wed Dec 16 20:21:07 1998 From: dec at xxx.uk (Declan McGurk) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:21:07 -0000 Subject: Sinister: experimentation? pah! Message-ID: <000101be2933$48befe60$920b883e@m-gurk.freeserve.co.uk> the 'settee' guru once wrote: >>Why on earth can't people except that a band might want to move on and >>experiment with different sounds. i dont recall saying the new ep was different. well yeah i did but i used a word like 'disappointing'. i hadn't considered it to be an experimentation. it just sounded a tad crap. and if that's what doing experiments does to you then why do people do it? the mighty Ash changed their fantastic sound for the last album and ended with something a long way from the magic of 1977. i like bands for what they are. leave other bands to change 'their' sound. saying that though Korn have got better. and no knob-cheese please. and shuttup with this subjective, objective stuff. music IS either good or bad. but not all people realize this due to oppression or lack of opinionating themselves. i'm probably talking b*llocks meself anyway. what i am saying is: here is the definite list of the worst belle and sebastian songs - 1 The Boy Done Wrong Again (wah wah wah). what the f*** is that?!! 2 Chickfactor. yes please keep the bloke from vocals. 3 Seymour Stein. see above. can i continue? cool. Isobel has got a sorted voice. IWISHIWASACAR is one of the bands best songs. OTHER STUFF: my grammar's fine. i'm flawed, but leave my writing alone. i've got to do a mock art exam based on depiction of animals on Thursday. i'm doing 'sly as a fox'. but wait here's the genius bit. i'm drawing a fox in Rambo gear. SLY as a fox. eh? i think its well good. so there ya go. love you all later, Dec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fatslug at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 19:31:41 1998 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:31:41 -0700 Subject: Sinister: May Lah Kah Message-ID: Hi folks, First and foremost hugs and kisses to the New York listees I met on Saturday, and I *really* hope that none of you picked up the nasty cold that had reduced me to a croaking wheezing wreck. The up side of being ill whilst on holiday is that you get to spend a lot of your time watching adverts in your hotel room. There was one in particular that I just have to repeat here for your delectation: Small girl runs grinning into shot. Girl: "Mummy! Daddy! Come see!" Parents follow girl to living room and discover that it is full of christmas gifts, electrical appliances, a car, etc. Father: "Those must have been some cookies you left Santa!" Girl: "I didn't leave him cookies... I left him cheese" Cuts to picture of various cheeses. Voiceover: "Behold the power of cheese!" Kevan The Fat Slug *********************************** chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickclick.com http://www.chickmail.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From james at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 20:31:15 1998 From: james at xxx.com (J Errington) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:31:15 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Sophie Aldred is GOD. As is Kevin Turvey. Message-ID: Hello listies! I wonder what you've been up to since yesterday. I don't know because of the time delay you know. But hey hey I've got plenty to work on here. First of all that Biondello fellow incurred my wrath by spurting these foulnesses, which it pains me to even repeat: > Whether or not list c****s are a good thing is indeed debatable (Sophie > Aldred's a minger, for a start) *splutter* does not even start to describe the shock and the rage. How DARE you slur *my* Sophie that way you..you..you.. CAD! Sophie is a god amongst us and we are blessed with her presence. Such remarks are not only tasteless but blasphemous. This is your last warning, Bio-boy! Did anyone see the last episode of Belle & Sebastian: the early years last night? It was very good - Sarah kicked Chris Evans in the bollocks, Isobel & Stuart M finally got it together and they hired a hypnotist to rid Chris of his rampant libido. Oh, and they got to make an "atmospheric" video for 'the Boy.' My second-favorite list grudge winge'd: > Oh dear. Weej, one of your rabbits has same name as one of my cats, and > you want to deny the special bond that gives us? I can't help thinking > how devastated I'd be if I cared. Oh Tag, I feel your pain, of course. But you know, bygons may be bygons but this isn't a bygone, if you follow me. But don't. Alright, I forgive you for being a waste of space. *Mwa* there, that's better isn't it? Now go play with brad. Which rabbit by the way? Charlotte has got that watery-eye thing, which any rabbit-owner will know as 'trouble'. Ally had some good Castro/CIA anecdotes but he forgot the spy they sent who turned out to be in love with him and the poisoned milkshake in his fridge which went off and was thrown away. And before I go I noticed this in my mailbox: > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:45:52 PST > From: "Beth Tilston" > Subject: Sinister: Rainy people > Hello, I'm new and uninitiated. I need someone to look after me and share > their kitkat with me at breaktimes. I am sitting here in the library with > the smell of rainy people in my nostrils and trying to work out what the > hell some of you are going on about. What is this rabbit/clotted cream > thingy all about? Someone help me please! > Bye Bye > Love Beth T XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Hey hey hey! the replacement Beth I ordered has arrived! Going mad with boredom, WeeJay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Modern capitalism, organising the reduction of all social life to a spectacle, cannot offer any other spectacle than that of our own alienation" james at twopounds.u-net.com (my site kills browsers) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/5523/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tangent at xxx.net Wed Dec 16 21:00:21 1998 From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:00:21 +0000 Subject: Sinister: It's already Thursday, and soon it'll be Friday night References: <01be2933$020f9880$046b9ac2@g5-200-1> Message-ID: <36781F65.67F07340@lineone.net> trousers wrote: > this Friday at 7.30pm is the Sinister Xmas party at the Poetry Cafe on > Betterton Street in Covent Garden, London. Everyone is welcome. or, for those in the sleepy sticks that make up the south west of england beyond bristol, you could do better that pop along to the Glitch extravaganza down at the Jolly Porter pub in Exeter. Everyone is welcome if you can fit into the basement room, and best of all it DOESN'T cost a fiver to get in. Mind you we don't promise anything but a rather fine sample from the Wizard of Oz being fed into the mix at some opportune moment in the evening by the Duke of Haringay. I expect much beer will be consumed. We cannot compete with the Social repertoire of list celebs, although with luck mr adrian evans will show himself, and Jon 'the lovin' spoonful' wren will be around, as will the Duke and Duchess, natch. Anyone else, come down and say hi or alternatively call me a twat, it's up to you. I am not firing the ETster, despite his similarity to Tim P!O!O!kins. he is too good at brown-nosing, and he's giving me lessons. Besides, i love the way he pisses people off so much. i dream of one day being able to piss that many people off so gracefully. i gave my first public reading tonight, and people laughed in the right places. i was amazed. i read them my new B&S 'review' and everyone looked confused, so it was a complete success. The poets didn't know what to make of it all and kept asking, what does P!O!O! actually MEAN. I just said it means i sell twice as many books as you :-) John, wasn't it you who said that MAnchester Waterstones was sold out? I hope you made them order more... and it wasn't your sister i called a boot was it? oh well i'm off to write for a job near barcelona... anything to get nearer to that Miller man. keep the faith, the duke ------------------------------------------ 'all of our dreams are dying of overdoses' ------------------------------------------ Tangents On-Line http://www.tangents.co.uk PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at lineone.net ------------------------------------------ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From davedwin at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 20:03:56 1998 From: davedwin at xxx.com (David Clewett) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:03:56 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Rollercoaster Debate Message-ID: It seems as though all are engaging in a debate which could continue eternally, While Chickfactor isn't all that, I have to admit it still beats any song from most other bands by astronmical units.. The Rollercoaster Ride, however, is definately a top tune. It takes a subject, that EVERYBODY can relate to: human emotions, and takes a "bird's eye" perspective, if you will. Not only do B&S take such a broad subject but they personify it and place it in different settings, as they do so well; veritably, B&S are the modern Bob Dylan, only better, but we won't touch that. Furthermore, they turn the subject into a very whimsical song. How many people do you know need pharmaceutical to fix their brains? I know more people than not with this predicament. And how can anybody overlook the musical beauty of the masterpiece? Isobel... harmonizing, need I say more? Isobel...I coooo for yooouuuu... Eddie HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From indiekid at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 20:52:55 1998 From: indiekid at xxx.com (Trevor T Treadmill) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:52:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Rollercoaster Debate Message-ID: <19981216205255.13741.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> I think that Rollercoasteride is overlong and dull, but that Chickfactor is a thing of beauty (it's those drumrolls, I reckon). Plus, I'm built like a shit brickhouse, and will take on anyone who disagrees. C'mon then! C'mon. === Nobody knows I'm a lesbian _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 70204923 at xxx.ca Wed Dec 16 21:24:14 1998 From: 70204923 at xxx.ca (Sebastian) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:24:14 EST Subject: Sinister: my chickfactor two cents... Message-ID: <8146AA7B5F@cs5.conestogac.on.ca> My nominations for the top two worst BS tracks go to A) Bourgwoozie B) Chickfactor Sinister vs. Arab Strap is witty & uppity vs witty, moody and mature ROCK STAR - - witty (at times) and moody has B&S olded already? to the root, not the fruit! ___________________________________________________________________________ My ski vest has buttons like convenience store mirrors and they help me see That everything in this room right now, is a part of me +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From suzsch at xxx.net Wed Dec 16 21:49:27 1998 From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:49:27 -0600 Subject: Sinister: EP stuff Message-ID: <199812162145.PAA02650@mail1.mailsrvcs.net> > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 03:30:01 EST > From: Ewansknob at xxx.com > Subject: Sinister: bathing in a sea of lemon jello > > the gate is alright enough. count me in as an isobel defender.. > > stevie thomas jackson, however, is an entirely diffferent matter altogether. > why do they let the man sing, or worse yet, write songs? > i like seymour stein, especially the smiths references, > but the first song on the new ep should be called > "this is just a good song except for the bit when stevie sings"; > and i agree with whoever said that chickfactor is simply appalling: > trite lyrics, poor arrangement, lack of discernible structure or melody or... > i could go on Does anyone also notice his themes to his songs? It;'s always something about stardom! Was anyone ever specifically chasing him through the streets like the Beatles? All I ever heard about was Stuart and some about Isobel. There is a bit of distinctive charm to his voice---it reminds me of Ringo. > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:41:29 EET > From: "Jarkko Fräntilä" > Subject: Sinister: orgasm > > Some american scientists discovered that a sneeze is 1/1000000 of an > orgasm. Does that mean that if i buy some sneezepowder and invite some > friends to my place we'd have a minor orgy? Hmm.... (looking at the calender and seeing my first major allergy attack of the season is 3 months off) Damn. > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:41:09 -0000 > From: Adrian Evans > Subject: Sinister: TCS Operational Costs > > Declan McDeclan Wrote : > > Just Another... EP: mightily disappointing. will the band ever reach the > = > heights of 3.. 6.. 9.. again?= > > Do you want a regular or large portion of knob-cheese with that sir ? > > Why on earth can't people except that a band might want to move on and > experiment with different sounds. Go out and buy yourself another copy > of 369.. and snowpake the title out and call it what you like. People have got their favorite sound. What can ya do? > I for one think the EP is fuckin excellent, apart from TIGHTJUMPERS > which only gets going after about 4 minutes which therefore in my eyes > makes it a 3 minute gem. Yeah, it always cheeses me. I have to wait for the Dostoeyevsky part before I get into it. Currently, it's my favorite part of any song.....especially the 4 boys in their cuorduroys line. It makes me very impatient to sit through the rest of the song to get to that part. The rest of the ep is good.....I would explain if I could, but the mellowness of the summer song.....which is another thing aboutB&S that could use a bit of tweaking. They seem to find one subject such as summer and go with it a bit too many songs. Even though it's a great melody and everything, it seems like they truly use every lyric they have ever written....as if they will run out of them and have to close up shop due to lack of inventory. s.s. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 22:01:10 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:01:10 +0000 Subject: Sinister: boring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981216220110.007af780@mail.u-net.com> J Errington wrote, patronisingly, about Tag: > Oh Tag, I feel your pain, of course. But you know, bygons may be >bygons but this isn't a bygone, if you follow me. But don't. Alright, I forgive you >for being a waste of space. *Mwa* there, that's better isn't it? Now go play with >brad. A waste of space? Rich coming from you. Please let me tell you on behalf of many of us, your 'wacky' tales of your 'zany' student life are irrelevant and uninteresting to us. Perhaps you could start your own list for this subject matter. Thank you. JJ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pishco at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 21:10:04 1998 From: Pishco at xxx.com (Pishco at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:10:04 EST Subject: Sinister: Pooey day Message-ID: Hallo bell-end sebastian fans I am new I also like this band very much too .they 'rock' man. Hi to all my buddies from 'the shopping trolleys' list you guys are so cool. anyway I am looking today at all you ugly kids' photos on the site when I say wow! who is this beautiful example of aqualine loveliness 'funkiseb'? He orgasms me big time, and tingles my nose cavetiessohfucKIT. Hi popkids. I just thought I'd pop in and say merrybastardchristmas to you all. (And try and notch up a crush point or two under an assumed name of course.) This is a pooey day. 1) Michael Aspall brought his big red book round to my office, but it wasn't for me. 2) Everyone I work with has gone to get pissed, network, eat a lot, and be on telly, but they wouldn't let me on the bus. 3) The girl I love, who said she loved me,hated me all along. 4) She loves my flatmate 5) I gave up smoking today 6) I have no food 7) I gave up smoking today What a deeply morbid time of year this is. The constant wind steals your breath and whips your skin, the cold gently kills you, limb by limb, and the freezing river shines blacker than ever under every bridge. Just the time for a tea party! Pubs too crowded? Picnics out of the question? Parties just too socially demanding? TEA! CAKE! (FINE) WINES! You know I'm right. No details as yet, but I'm working on it. Funkyseb's Winterval Cakeathon... Rah! All invited. Bring a cake and/or wine. I shall provide tea. Candles! Open fires! Muffins. Crumpets! Hands up who thinks this is a fab idea! And it's all mine, not even slightly Lady P's. Uh huh. My idea. I am the Cake King. Anyway, e mail me if you're interested, kids. Suggest a date. This e mail's poo but I've no idea what you're talking about on the list so I can't join in in any detail. Actually, I'll make a guess: <<...ooh isn't the m****** m***** horrid? david and katrina can you lock up struan in your Kensal Road dungeon so no one can take pictures of him or ask him if he likes cake except us listees?>> <> < Hello, all. I know you've been worried sick about me, but I've been okay. For some reason (I won't go accusing people of writing in to get me off the list, even though we all know that's what happened and they're after me again because I know too much, etc.), I just simply stopped getting those lovely digests. At first I thought maybe things had just died down a bit for silent appreciation of the horns in "Slow Graffiti", but then I realized, "Surely *someone* must have something to say about nothing of interest." Sure enough, I'd gotten the boot for what was mostly likely just a mechanical glitch. Strangely enough, I manged to do without pretty damn well, considering. I was exiled to the strange land of "Winston-Salem", where I watched TV and was hungry at no point for two whole days. I saw a documentary about Metallica and watched Maryland lose to Kentucky. One of those things made me sad. What brings me here is a guide to liking those B&S songs you don't like. I normally wouldn't touch this topic with a disinfected baseball bat, but the best thing about B&S to me is...well, I'm picky. Very, very picky. I drive my friends nuts when we discuss music, because nothing is good enough for me. And I don't think B&S have set a single foot wrong. Sure, they've made a few weird, possibly ill-advised decisions, but none of their songs are "appalling" or even bad. The only thing is, it's sometimes a challenge to find the treat inside the cracker-jack box that is every B&S song. So, a little help on some of the more difficult ones: * Fox in the Snow: Turn the volume up to a ludicrous level, sit somewhere where you won't be disturbed, and if the first 20 seconds don't make you swoon...well, there's really nothing that anyone can do for you. You may as well just end it all right now. * This is Just a Modern Sock Bong: This one you have to put in the "60's folk-pop" category. It's got that old folky verse-after-verse arrangement to it, but then it's got these oblique '90's lyrics. And if you think Stevie sounds anything less than angelic, then you need to be re-examined, because "subject is able to function in normal society" was obviously a mis-diagnosis. Plus, you can at least appreciate it for one of the best closing lines EVER since "Frank Mills". If this doesn't help, give up on music. Sell your collection back and buy knitting supplies. * The Boy Done Wrong Again: Sure, it isn't the most *exciting* song they've ever done, but if you use the same technique that you've already used to appreciate Fox In the Snow, you should be well on your way to appreciating it as simply "pretty". If the concept of appreciating things simply because they're pretty bothers you, then you're obviously very ugly and bitter about it. Join the Korn email list. They probably *love* talking about stuff they think sucks. * You Made Me Forget My Dreams: "You Made Some People Forget to Have Good Taste" more like! Do I have to come over there and shake you?! Look: a) the ending, b) the lyrics (try reading the booklet this time), c) "There was blood on the sheets again". Have you actually *listened* to this song or are you just trying to be popular and go along with what the kids at the back of the bus are saying? They don't really like you anyway. They're just pretending to be your friend so they can swim in your pool. Sucker. * "Chickfactor": Of ferchristsakes! It's the music, not the lyrics. This one...I can see the problems with it, but Isobel said in her interview in Chickfactor (ooh, how appropriate!) that she considers her cello part in it to be the best part she's ever come up with, and if you have a problem with that, then keep looking over your shoulder, because Lesley has a crowbar she calls "Friend of Izzy" that helps her 'fix' Ms. Cambell's critics. Oh, never mind...you can dislike this song if you want. I'll give you permission *and* a laminated Hate pass. * The Gate: remember that '60's song that goes "I think it's so groovy now that people are finally getting together"? They played it before they came on in Athens. This song is like that one. Don't try to compare it to Stars of Track and Field or State That I Am In or anything else. It is, like Chickfactor, totally unique. And it's still a good song. What's my point? Oh, I don't know. I get to go home now and make Christmas cookies. Oodles of sarcastic love, Reid +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Wed Dec 16 22:50:06 1998 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:50:06 -0000 Subject: Sinister: This list is SHIT Message-ID: <000201be2946$6d93b9c0$8b9375c2@quartz> <> Hello chums, how's it going these days. Miller, have to agree, robots are definitely better than trolls and little g-nomes any day. I'd lay money that in a square fight, robots would win hands down... Let's imagine. You've got Maximillian, the big red robot from Disney's "The Black Hole" versus the likes of Bilbo Baggins. Well, the results are a foregone conclusion really. Bilbo's tossy little knife going to have little effect on Maximillian's big red metal body, and Max can fly too, and he's got these massive whirly blade things on his hands that he normally uses to shred office rubbish with, but in extreme circumstances, they can be used to kill! I'm afraid that indeed there is only one Genevieve (won THIS si tsil sihT), pity she never posts any more, quite like a lot of people I suppose. There's been a lot of fuss about the latest B+S EP MONKEYSPUNKMOPED recently, I think it's ace, I don't think it's getting into a rut, not least cause some of the songs are pretty old. The Gate's a nice tune too. No problems there, I for one think it's miles better than BUMFACEDGOATS the third track from TWATTYBUS. Also, the relevant content on this list is getting worse and worse too - in the last few months there's been hardly a mention of the WHO (only Miller's "Sister Disco" moniker) and no mention at all of 10CC. We really ought to get back on topic. Nice to hear from Oooooooon again though, how's things in Thailand - is Yul Brynner still treating you lot well? Let us know how things are getting on down there then. We'd better watch what we're saying now too by the way, cause it looks like we've got both Mick and Alastair Cooke on the list, or so it seems, now all we need is mummy and daddy Cooke to join and we'll have a full house - mind you, It's just as bloody well we're in the business of writing to a mailing list and not making a broth isn't it! (emit emos enohp a em evig, luaP) Hey you lot - quit reading private messages Cheers, Keith. Ps: the list isn't shit really, I suppose, it's just being economical with quality at the moment. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From smfisher at xxx.edu Wed Dec 16 23:28:40 1998 From: smfisher at xxx.edu (Stephanie) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:28:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: I LIKE BIS Message-ID: So does that mean I'll get kicked off the list by Brad and Robbie? Or I am I just banned from Sha Na Na? And to further disagree with people, I LIKE STEVIE JACKSON too. Chickfactor is an okay song. It is not the best one, but not the worst either. What is the worst?...hmmm...I don't know. It took me a while to get into It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career. But it is an ace song now. Still not my favorite, though. Actually I think Chickfactor might be my least favorite Belle & Sebby song. But Seymour Stein is ace. I like Stevie's singing. Um, Stevie rules. Yeah. My friend says I pronounce his name weirdly. After reading posts about the video shoot here in Athens now I really wish I had gone. I used finals as an excuse to not go. Of course I didn't study much and will now proceed to fail all my classes, but hey, why does that matter? A university education is a vastly overrated thing, isn't it? Yeah, I say that while typing this and not studying for my Telecom final tomorrow morning. Also tomorrow my friend is giving me the Sarah 100 compilation and the Elf Power Cd for Christmas and my birthday. Yeay!!! :) Cheers & love, Stephanie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From maldoror at xxx.net Thu Dec 17 00:03:08 1998 From: maldoror at xxx.net (jas) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:03:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Me And The Major In-Reply-To: <19981216150704.17522.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: two things: 1) this is my first post, so hiya there whoever and ever. 2) i complete disagree with this (points downward to the bottom of the message).. i for one, am glad that they avoid interviews and photo sessions, it helps me focus on the beauty of the music instead of the people involved.. i don't care who makes it, and i won't ever care (excepting that i meet them). obsessing over people that one doesn't know just strikes me as a completely illogical thing to do, and further, quite sillier than obsessing over something that one can actually experience (the music).. as for a major label AGHHH! what are you thinking? how many bands have been ruined by labels? coming from a major US indie city (louisville, ky) i've seen more good bands either give up after signing to labels or simply turn to shite.. i can't say much about any major british labels, or british radio/charts for that matter, but 99% of major label american music, american charts, and american radio is total crap. I do agree that they should tour a bit more, but i don't think that they need promotion if they don't want it. all it would really mean for them would be more money and more fans -- which would bring a lot more bad than good really. with money comes (usually) a want for more money, or a loss of interest.. with fans, i know i personally would feel like i was expected to do something, which would push me further from doing it -- as that is most certainly not a good reason for writing music.. do you want another Oasis? i surely hope not. 'tis all.. abye, -jas Osborne On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Mark Cerzinski wrote: > > Ok People, > > Here's the deal. I think it's starting to get plainly obvious that > Jeepster just aren't pushing Belle and Sebastian hard enough or far > enough. It's ludicrous that they've been getting away without doing any > proper interviews and not having their photos in the music press. We're > their fans and we deserve better. Would it really have been so difficult > to prune a track from the Modern Rock Song EP so that we could at least > get excited listening to the new chart rundown? And even dreaming about > a slot on "Top of the Pops" for the best band in Britain would be better > than nothing, no hope at all. I really think B&S should sign to a major > label now, before the potential they have is lost. They would be > promoted better, have better tours in proper, established venues and > their records would be easier to find and buy. Let's face it, B&S are a > Radio 2 band. Grannies listen to Radio 2 and they buy their CDs in > Woolies and Asda. They need a major label. > > Thanks for listening, > Love, > Mark xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From davedwin at xxx.com Wed Dec 16 23:44:03 1998 From: davedwin at xxx.com (David Clewett) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:44:03 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Me And The Major Message-ID: What i'm wondering is: what on this blue earth do b&s want? are they in this for the money? something tells me no. do they want to be famous and prestigious? the road that b&s need to follow is the road that will please THEM the most. they way i see it the band is about b&s making music that they see as beautiful, the masses can take it or leave it but as long as b&s are quite happy with what they do then their music will show and we will all be a bit more felicitous. i doubt not that everybody here will agree that they are one of the most talented bands around. As far as the worst b&s song list goes, i don't give a rat's arse as to what songs are placed there; they are still all better than the other shite i have heard recently edwin -- > >On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Mark Cerzinski wrote: > >> >> Ok People, >> >> Here's the deal. I think it's starting to get plainly obvious that >> Jeepster just aren't pushing Belle and Sebastian hard enough or far >> enough. It's ludicrous that they've been getting away without doing any >> proper interviews and not having their photos in the music press. We're >> their fans and we deserve better. Would it really have been so difficult >> to prune a track from the Modern Rock Song EP so that we could at least >> get excited listening to the new chart rundown? And even dreaming about >> a slot on "Top of the Pops" for the best band in Britain would be better >> than nothing, no hope at all. I really think B&S should sign to a major >> label now, before the potential they have is lost. They would be >> promoted better, have better tours in proper, established venues and >> their records would be easier to find and buy. Let's face it, B&S are a >> Radio 2 band. Grannies listen to Radio 2 and they buy their CDs in >> Woolies and Asda. They need a major label. >> >> Thanks for listening, >> Love, >> Mark xxx > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From evanbear at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 00:46:00 1998 From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:46:00 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Not in the face! Not in the face! References: <3677B87C.EFA3912B@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <36785425.1DA@javanet.com> i don't have much to say but heres what i do: Music is 70% subjective and 30% objective nothing outside of our own little heads can be completely subjective says i music is certainly mostly about what you enjoy but there is such a thing as good music and bad music to a point i dont really claim to know how to judge it except by instinct (i may dislike some kinds of music but for most of it i can appreciate it as good or bad based on what i learned in music classes which i attended when i didnt oversleep i spose the way you choose to judge is subjective which sort of makes everything i say meaningless but i dont mind being meaningless so i guess ill continue i mean if someone is playing a, c, and g chords and screaming and banging their heads on drums in straight quarter notes and just hitting the strings on their bass with no particular reason, its pretty safe to say that is bad music, stupid music, perhaps you enjoy stupid loud music but that doesnt make it good as far as im concerned, and if you're pushing some buttons that give you 3000000 beats per minute and another one that makes a funy noise at the down beat and another that makes another funny noise at the up beat that aint no good music its silly and painful and evil you may like inducing a brain hemerage (sp) dont make it good music for me it pretty much boils down to two factors: 1)how one uses what one has, if you have an acordian and play it like the chick in Revenge Of The Nerds then you suck, but if you use it in a godly manner as did Saint Astor Pizzolo then you should be worshipped for your almighty powers 2)what you intend to do with what you have and whether or not its successfull, if you're trying to be simple to express something or droning to represent a mood or whatever then thats perty cool assuming it works 1 alone would leave me an annoying jazz and such snob and i cant be that cause i like to bop around to bouncy fairly simple music, and 2 alone would leave me accepting hip hop and pop shlop dumbasses and icky gooey people as good which i just cant do there are sub categories lik: is it inventive, but that doesnt mean that only the first band to do something is good, and is it creative (did the person not just poop it out was it conscious to a point or was there some magical power at work that made it spiffy) as for having good taste, i use that term way too much, good taste goes so far and then educated uneducated taste comes in, there are really spiffy people who like wunnerful music on instinct without knowing that the song is a chaccone (i love that word) or has a wacky time signature or something along those lines and a lot of the time i wish i was still like that, it was simpler and i didnt get as defensive about music as i do now and then there are people who dont know that and have bad taste in music and listen to evil things becaus ethey dont know what they're hearing thats just sort of ignorance then there are people who learn all the theory and what not and still like crap and thats bad or something i hope at least some of this made sense, god its long, there was more i was gonna say but no one will want to read it so i wont bother oh if anyone thought this was sposed to be some all encompassing i know how to judge music so if you dont do it this way you suck thing and it sounded like it i apologize it wasnt sposed to, though this seems the best way to me ----ev np-Eggs-Teenbeat 96 Exploder (definitely good music once it hits, though im sure not for everyone) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gary at xxx.uk Thu Dec 17 02:21:20 1998 From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:21:20 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Just a thought. Message-ID: <000601be2963$ef1feaa0$b927883e@whelan> Hello all, Quite a few posts on the negative side tonight, some I agree with, one in particular, won't name it to protect the innocent though. I'm disappointed that the Duke has decided not to sack that git True though, no chance of you changing your mind is there ?. I was just wondering why anyone would want to change B&S at all, try asking yourself why you fell in love with their music in the first place. If you don't like Stevie's singing fine, but why stop the chap doing it. Who cares if they don't want to do interviews. It's just publicity after all, it's the music you love not the interviews. You don't form a band so you can sit around all day doing interviews after all. If they don't want to sell their souls to the great god of corporate whores, surely that's a good thing. They're managing to sell a decent amount of records on the strength of the music and a little bit of mystique. And all this banter about whether a certain song is good or not. Come on, you can't expect them to write top notch tracks that everyone is going to like all the time. Every band has it's bad songs. Personally I like The Gate, but there are lots of songs I don't like. It's personal taste that's all and there's a voting booth where you can express how much you rate all the B&S songs. There's no way you're going to love all the songs all the time, or it's very rare. There'll always be one track you like slightly less than the last one. This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, I'm just in a shit mood and all this petty squabbling is getting a bit irritating. Sorry if I offended anyone, it wasn't intentional, I just wanted to have my say as is my right as a member of this list. I still say the Duke should sack Everett True mind you. 87) Gary +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From michael.donofrio at xxx.edu Thu Dec 17 03:29:00 1998 From: michael.donofrio at xxx.edu (Michael Donofrio) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:29:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Just a thought. In-Reply-To: <000601be2963$ef1feaa0$b927883e@whelan> Message-ID: Hello, I'm fairly new here, and I don't often write, but I felt I should share my thoughts on this business. > If they don't want to sell their souls to the great god of corporate > whores, surely that's a good thing. They're managing to sell a decent > amount of records on the strength of the music and a little bit of > mystique. This bit is such nonsense. In the US, B&S are distributed by Matador/Capitol Records. How much more corporate can you get? They're even featured in those damn music clubs like Columbia House (um, so says a friend). Who cares? I like the music, not a business strategy. The reason they aren't on the top of the charts is because few want to hear creative, witty and sincere music. Not with a new Alanis album around. Just a thought. michael +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clarence at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 07:16:49 1998 From: clarence at xxx.com (Clarence Tsui, Hong Chee) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:16:49 +0800 Subject: Sinister: salako = slayer / pastels Message-ID: <01D4225AECD3D011A53600805F9A205854E9F1@mail.scmp.com> :why is it that weekends go so fast? it was rather a good one though; :spent :it in london, and made it to the pastels gig where lady penelope, :biondino, :funkyseb and a whole host of other sinisterians were congregated at the :back of the garage. v-twin were supposed to be supporting, but future :pilot turned up instead, but i missed them anyway so i was quite :relieved! One thing I'd like to ask: why is it that Future Pilot was always supporting the Pastels?? IN January when I was in London for the Pastels gig it was also the delicious Sushil Dade. Co-incidence? Cheers Clarence +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frantila at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 10:23:23 1998 From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:23:23 EET Subject: Sinister: orgasm Message-ID: <199812170823.AAA10904@f281.hotmail.com> Heather wrote: "God, I can't even bear the thought of sneezing any more. If a sneeze is an orgasm, than I am one of the hottest women around because I have been sneezing and coughing and sweating and miserable for the past week. Sex, what's that? Arrgghhh. Last night I just lay in bed and coughed all over Anders all night. I felt worse than Christiane F. during the withdrawal scene and I've never even done heroin. Damn.=20 But I'll be well again soon and these obnoxious pseudo-orgasms will be but a distant memory." Erm, no offense, but i doubt that sweating or coughing or being misarable are in any way related to making loooooove (and, in the end, related to the final result of some serious booty-shaking [if you're lucky, that is, I've got a problem conserning that...]), unlike sneezing. But hey, maybe those clever scientific people can spend something like a gazillion bucks on some kind of a study about the relationship between a cough and ejaculation. Don't laugh, they might actually do it. Hmm, where's my phone, have to call Harvard about that. @--->--- a rose, love and other pretty cool stuff, jarkko fr�ntil�, a devoted fan of everything that is mighty cute and occosionally silly. "iamnowacentralpartofyourmindslandscapewetheryoulikeitordonot." ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eds101 at xxx.uk Thu Dec 17 09:49:03 1998 From: eds101 at xxx.uk (DAVE) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:49:03 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: 'Chickfactor'. Message-ID: Hello, Long time listener first-time caller, Two things, one a statement and the other question. 1) Chickfactor is a thing of beauty. It may not reach the heady levels of 'Get Me Away From Here' or 'We Rule the School', but it does not deserve the level of dogging that it would appear that it is coming in for. 2). Is the little piano thing that runs throughout the song supposed to be almost identical to that which runs through 'Betty Blue' (very good French film, enjoyable both for its artistic content and its frequent nudity) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Thu Dec 17 11:23:53 1998 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:23:53 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: songs of love Message-ID: bonjour. robbie wrote, after my clearly successful attempt to insult him: ******* ouch baby that hurt. let me clear for the record that noone wants your soul although their is some weird alein floating around the list now that might want to give you an anal probe. ******* how did you get to read my private mail?! ****** and i don't even know brad i don't know where anyone got that. well not personally at least. we met one night in a sex chat line. but we do want to make you laugh or should i say you make us laugh. and apparently girl you got the goods. an attempt like that to make fun of someone could make you queen of the sha na na. ****** aha! my cunning secret agenda has worked then. i was always the kid who gatecrashed the other kids' games/conversations/parties/orgies because i couldn't bear to be left out of anything good. will i do the same with sha na na? who can tell? i'm amazed, sincerely, that people genuinely dislike chickfactor. i had no idea. but because i'm a groovy, tolerant, diversity-loving kind of girl, this to me seems fascinating and cool rather than a personal criticism of my musical taste. now i'm thinking, along with most of the sensible people on this list, that this whole debate is pointless. but what the hell. just to continue having my 4000 cents worth, i love stevie's voice on TIGGIEWINKLE. and the lyrics to rollercoaster ride are top banana, which just makes the dirge-like tune more painful. and music is NOT objectively good or bad, cos then that would make some of us wrong and some of us right, which is just unacceptable :) OBVIOUSLY i *believe* with my whole heart that everything that b&s have done is miles better than anything that say, meatloaf has excreted, but his fans are going to disagree, and am i really more in tune with higher objective realities than them? well, yes, probably, but i don't KNOW. i'll stop now. oh yes, the smell of hot desk is wood, chalk, sweat, and rubber. candyfloss disguised as bullets, archel xxx ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth rap101 at york.ac.uk http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nobody can be uncheered with a balloon." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bajsjan at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 10:29:00 1998 From: bajsjan at xxx.com (jan thorneus) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:29:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Tribute tape. Message-ID: <19981217102900.20825.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Hey people. If there is someone who didnt know, i am making a B&s tribute tape, so if you wanna tribute something, just send it to me, im putting the address in the bottom of this mail. C'mon people, send me something so i know that this tape is happening, i havent got a singel tape yet. oh well. im of to play some quake. Bye! Jan. Jan Thorneus Hermes .v 23 98144 Kiruna Sweden Email: Bajsjan at yahoo.com Or: bee1000 at heehaw.com _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mctag at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 11:58:30 1998 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:58:30 GMT Subject: Sinister: I'm not worthy!!!! Message-ID: <3680f14c.3747225@post.demon.co.uk> Dear Listees, Only one thing could have got me out of hiding and it is this... Trousers wrote: >I can reveal that we will have a guest of honour.... The other day I received >a message from a certain student of Bangor University, confirming that he >would attend. Yes, Richard North himself will there. The very thought of the >young knight Northy finally meeting his Jedi Master, Tag, gets me all a-quiver. Think what it does to me, I'm down in London right now, cursing the fact that I haven't packed some looser fitting trousers. Words cannot fully convey my joy that the subject of my very own Wee World of Worship has lowered himself to walk among us mere mortals. I hope he knows what he's in for. I'm going to bow down before him, I'm going to hug him, and kiss him and then, so help me God, give him the rogering he so richly deserves. Tingling with anticipation, Tag xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DMBesPhish at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 02:19:03 1998 From: DMBesPhish at xxx.com (DMBesPhish at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:19:03 EST Subject: Sinister: me and the WHO? Message-ID: ahhh sorry for anyone thinking this has any content about the who. you were mistaken. but it sort of just went along with my....alright time to get talking. well first of all about them being famous and all. *recently* i did a speech on b&s and one of the things i said in it was, "one of the reasons i like b&s is because they dont try to be the sort of band that everyone will like. or try and be on some big record label so they can sell as many records as humanly possible. they try and have a close relationship with their fans. and they have showed me that money and fame isnt all that important after all. and i admire b&s for their uniqueness, individuality and their will to do that...thats something not every band you come across is capable of doing, you know." yes, yes, word for word. well i suppose those are just my thoughts on the subject..im off xo, jackie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Michael.Barrett at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 04:28:47 1998 From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.com (Michael Barrett) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:28:47 +0900 Subject: Sinister: Suck my fat one you cheap dime store hood Message-ID: <020501be2975$ccdbc560$baa3002b@qasx6.sec.cpg.sony.co.jp> >This bit is such nonsense. In the US, B&S are distributed by >Matador/Capitol Records. How much more corporate can you get? But surely they are only distributed by Matador? And besides, as I understand it, all the publishing rights of the songs are owned by Sony anyway. Pretty big company, really. Mibby I'm just a little bit naive, but I reckon all this indie = good, not-indie = bad is a big load of horse shit. I don't quite see why good music can't come from bands signed to big companies. Ok, so there's a lot of Alanis/Celine/Mariah shit out there (and lets not forget that stuff floats the boat for some people) and most of it is on big labels, but so what? Did the new Beck album lose any of its soul because it was released on a bigger label than intended? Has the manics album gained any because none of the big American labels wanted it (which I find particularly funny - not even their own label wanted them. Serves the miserable welsh bastards right)? Bitches Brew. Kind of Blue. 'Round Midnight. Three Miles Davis albums that, in my opinion, piss all over just about every album released this year - yet they're on a huge label. Maybe that's not the point though - he is dead after all. I dunno. Just go and buy/copy an album, don't worry about which label its on, and enjoy the music. And leave the ordinary people listen to Alannis/Celine/Garth - its their choice. The only thing that sucks are music nazis. And Manic Street Preachers. And Oasis. Music snobs are ok, though (I've always wanted to know enough to be one). On a different note, >What does a hot desk smell like? >Not a Zen mind-clearing riddle, just a personal question of mine. I can't >imagine this smell or even any metaphorical connections. An odd phrase if >I may say so, almost anti-evocative. I haven't heard the song yet, but thanks to our resident Isobelle fetishist I know the lyrics you mean. That smell, the smell of wood and ink, mixed with the smell of warm milk in little cartons, the ones with pictures of animals on (I always wanted a lion one), and paint and chalk - oh, I want to be a kid again. The days when colouring something in was considered work, when a long day finished at 3 o'clock and getting beaten up by a girl wasn't something you had to pay for. I wish we had wooden desks at work. I think I'll ask my boss for one. They were so practical too - look, its a desk, but lift up the lid and hey! it's a storage space!! Biggest one in four counties, TryingToComeUpWithANewNicknameCauseThere'sTooManyMichaelsAbout +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bobbins2000 at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 10:40:18 1998 From: bobbins2000 at xxx.com (Beth Tilston) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:40:18 PST Subject: Sinister: Bye 4 now Message-ID: <19981217104018.8827.qmail@hotmail.com> Bye bye, strange people at sinister. I have to unsubscribe for Xmas (ahhh, I'm going home) because my family live in the dark ages and haven't got internet access. Yes, yes, I know that I have only just subscribed but to be honest with you I have only discovered the internet since I have been at college, although I'm sure that someone else had found it first! E-mail me with theories about the meaning of life and/or B+S. Love you all beth XXXXXXXX ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Thu Dec 17 14:17:02 1998 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:17:02 +0000 (BST) Subject: Sinister: mediocrity is the worse? Message-ID: Hello! I am not sure if the subject I have chosen today is a quote from Oscar Wilde or someone else, but as lately quite a few listees have been moaning and whinin about the poor quality and the low interest of most of the postings, I was doubting to contribute to lower it even further , beyond any conceivable point (cauliflower vs. Brussels sprouts in Christmas dinners debate)as obviously my wit and wisdom are not enough to restore it to its past, splendid times... But I am too coward and have chosen just to keep my message in an standard 'interest rate' , regarding that perhaps that is the worst that could happen to our list and indeed, I am subtly sticking a sharp knife into its so white heart, pushing it to death. The Pastels in Nottingham : here Marine Research were the ones to come with Stephen and co, and played their heavenly part quite well. Stephen's dancing is ace! Robin and me said hello to Jonathan at the end of the show, as I had never met him 'live',but I had emailed him a few times last Spring concerning a translation of a review of Illumination in Rock de Lux, the Spanish 'so cool' magazine that Sister Disco Miller talked about a week ago or so.Jonathan could even remember my name and was absolutely lovely with us.He was wearing a really funny T shirt with lorries printed on it! About Chickfactor , I cannot help to rise my voice to give it my fierce and brave support. The lyrics are touching though the tune is so simple. I would discard 'could have been a brilliant career' if I had to with some of the songs in TBWTAS>,but it is just a question of taste, not bad to my eyes.The title is too Smiths,by the way. Doubtful still about going down London for a few hours tomorrow and meet my Guru of the List, el sen#or Pantalones, aka Stevie Trousers.Apart from nice Mark and his cute,dark haired gal, Petula and all the rest,sure.I have to be here on Saturday , so should catch the last train at 11 and that implies just to say hello, eat some of that delectable Italian cuisine and 'heaves on to St Pancras'. Maybe I will -> surprise,surprise. If you see a girl dressed in red and looking around pretending to see but not seeing in fact because she has left her beloved specs behind, that's me, Arantzazu! Merry Christmas, Joyeux Noel (pour toi,Philippe!),Felices Navidades, Bon Nadal, Zorionak -> para Mr Miller Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Thu Dec 17 14:48:52 1998 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:48:52 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: Happy Christmas In-Reply-To: <3680f14c.3747225@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <15687AF3D7E@hermes.nottingham.ac.uk> Hey folks! There's nothing like a good argument to get in practice for Christmas dinner is there? So, working up an appetite and a temper ... 1. Chickfactor is, in my opinion, a little bit poo (sorry Arantxa). It always annoys me how it comes after TBWTAS which is a fantastic song. 2. Whoever said they disliked Le Pastie should be made to eat pasties until they see the error of their ways. 3. The Rollercoaster Ride is a lovely, simple tune, with great lyrics, which is after all what B&S are all about. The same goes for Brilliant Career. 4. Why is A Century Of Elvis so low in the voting booth? It's ace. But last time I looked I think it was sitting above London Has Let Me Down Again. What's going on? I think people put it beneath Fakers cos that is the "proper" song, but I think Elvis is just as good, if not better. grrrr... Happy Christmas! Robin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eng98ajo at xxx.se Thu Dec 17 14:53:50 1998 From: eng98ajo at xxx.se (Anna J) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:53:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Me and the Major (and the Swede has calmed down) Message-ID: Hey everybody, I thought I'd post a little something since my exam is getting near and I really don't have any time for doing things that don't involve me putting my nose in my books. Mark wrote: >Would it really have been so difficult >to prune a track from the Modern Rock Song EP so that we could at least >get excited listening to the new chart rundown? Why in the whole world would anyone want to give up even just one B&S-song for some excitement listening to some shite chart? The excitement you get from listening to say "Slow Graffiti" is millions times that, and you can press "repeat" and listen to it your whole life (or till your record player breaks), next week Five or something will be topping the charts again anyway. Ok, sorry if I'm all wrong, but personally I'm just happy B&S are giving us our money's worth, and besides, I've always had a little special fondness for EP:s. >Let's face it, B&S are a >Radio 2 band. Grannies listen to Radio 2 and they buy their CDs in >Woolies and Asda. They need a major label. If I had a granny I'd be proud if she listened to B&S. Hey, does anybody have a granny/granddad that actually listens to B&S?? That'd be so cool. And we could make them honorary members and godfathers/godmothers to this whole little list. Just a thought. And ooh, they could knit us nice wooly B&S sweaters and bring cookies to the picknicks! Ok, I give up, I'm going to the library, Anna :) P.S. Thanks everybody for clearing up my little "natch"-problem, it does all make sense now. And here I was, thinking you'd been discussing Mexican food for the last 10 months. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From centuryoffakers at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 15:33:20 1998 From: centuryoffakers at xxx.com (jewdee baumann) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:33:20 PST Subject: Sinister: rock around the clock Message-ID: <19981217153321.21985.qmail@hotmail.com> ughhh...you have pulled me in. i can keep my fingers from plucking at this dirty plastic keyboard no longer. wretch. bah. no, must...fight...the urge...! sleeptheclockclockaroundisthebestsongbyfar! egads! "but i couldn't help it, mother. please forgive me!" ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ooon at xxx.th Thu Dec 17 15:58:46 1998 From: ooon at xxx.th (oon) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:58:46 +0700 Subject: Sinister: To shit or Not to shit References: <000201be2946$6d93b9c0$8b9375c2@quartz> Message-ID: <36792A36.59E2FD48@samart.co.th> no i'm not musing aloud my toilet dilemma here. that's too profound a matter to discuss in public forum. keith was talking about the list, in his cryptically coded message. actually i'm not to comment on that, just feel like saying shit a few times today. however, i have something to say about robot. if i ever have an imaginary friend, he would definitely be a robot called Doraemon, from a japanese manga. a chubby blue little thing, with a magic pouch in his tummy and have time machine in his human friend's drawer. he can do everything and has every nifty things in his magic pouch. and eventhough he never does things like that in the story i suppose he has the capacity to kill too if he feels like. keith also kindly inquired about Thailand things. normally i tend to assume the position of the three wise monkeys (you know, hands over eyes, over ears, over mouth monkeys) when it comes to worldly issues. fortunately, we host the Asian Games this month. and we beated South Korea with only 9 players! golden goal thing. that got me perked up a bit and watched some news. i saw twin elephant kiddies! well, i know mostly elephants look pretty much the same to us human. but to know that they are really twin just make them so alike. how cute! smell but cute all the same. i saw an elephant show once. this little kid elephant brought us a basket of flowers with his trunk. that's why i know they smell. that and riding them in the northern forest along the stream. unforgetable. change topic. someone challenged stuart m to box sometime ago. must be susannah. if he ever accepts the challenge, i'd like to offer myself as organizer of this spectacular event. i know a bar with a boxing ring. not bad idea really. wouldn't you rather watch people kick, elbow, smack each other to death than striptease? or maybe they fight naked, another good idea! yul brynner? i'm gonna 'take care' of that egghead if he ever comes to Thailand. (or was he dead?? if so, i take that back with profuse apologies) he mocked our beloved king! egghead! as some of you might know, the king and i was banned in Thailand. but i think it's forgiven now, saw it on telly programme a while back. egghead! um seeing that this message is entirely answering keith i might as well ask you for a tape here too. that tape from the divine mr andrew symington i'd really like to hear it, please? goodnight, oon xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 16:04:48 1998 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:04:48 -0500 Subject: Sinister: jessica in the snow with her ice princess furry coat on Message-ID: <008201be29d7$12501c20$6e1e05d1@tinystar> hello sinisterines, i know you all missed me greatly. well, perk up your faces, because i've finished my essays and am now ready to fill up your mailboxes again...well, erm, not quite in the same manner that i did last time. this time, you'll actually care. maybe. i had a wonderful day yesterday - i walked around, drinking tea (which i spilled all over my front, but that's not the good part), got the new wallpaper* (with a photo of a spanish magazine inside, that has sweet isobel on the cover), got a canadian magazine that quite frankly stinks, but LUKE WILSON (sigh) is on the cover...what a cutie he is, there's a boy named kevin in my law class that looks a bit like him and i stare at him comstantly (but it's not me who yells 'luuuke!' when he walks by). i hope i don't make him uncomfortable. but the highlight of my day yesterday was when i walked in to rotate this and found the TWIGJUMPERS ep, and it was the last one and i think it was just waiting for me (and the new shop boy was all condecending, assuming that i had never heard belle and sebastian and saying "have you heard them before? because this isn't the best ep to start with" in a snooty way, so i made a mental note to make myself a b+s teeshirt to wear all the time to avoid such misunderstandings). i really like 'modern rock song' itself, *especially* that part where stevie comes in. it's like in llpj, when monica starts singing and you don't know what to do with yourself because it's so raunchy and odd and totally unexpected in a b+s song, but after a few listens you come to realise that it's such ear candy to have this sweetsweet music with a raucous singer, it's worlds colliding and it's all good. suzanne blasphemed about stevie: >>There is a bit of distinctive charm to his voice---it reminds me of Ringo.<< gaaa! i'm not sure i'm entirely comfortable with stevie being compared to ringo. if you remember (and i know i do) ringo had awful phrasing, like i don't think he knew that the words were supposed to actually go along with the music. whereas stevie, he's just got a voice that's not watercolor like stuart, it's more oil paint and solid and a bit rough in spots but beautiful at the same time. it reminds me of dean wareham, actually, at the 5:30-ish mark where he does the "aaaa-aahl" thing. we have snow today! i woke up this morning and the trees were glistening and the ground was slippery and my cheeks got all rosy as i was walking to the bus (and then i got on the bus and my glasses fogged up, which definitely is not sassy). i kept my eyes peeled for foxes, but all i saw was the raccoon that likes to sit beside the heat vent on the roof of the house across the street. which is pretty cool nonetheless, but let's face it, a song called 'raccoon in the snow' would not be nearly so nice. TWIGJUMPERS goes quite well with a frosty nose and a furry blanket, i very nearly invited luke wilson boy to have lunch with me because the first snow + belle and sebby = swooshy feelings, which translate roughly into distributing far too many christmas cards and wearing my favourite socks. they're twee socks (http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/tweesocks ), you know. ahh, shameless plug. thanks to xavier for mentioning one of my favourite simpson's moments ever, where homer brings the droodle (i know, i know, it's a dreidel) home from the rabbi and spins it around. i also like the one where lisa becomes a vegetarian and she makes gazpacho for everyone, and barney yells 'go back to russia!'. and doctor hibbert asks for a hot beef injection. mmm, smut. love, jessicaxo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fyang at xxx.ca Thu Dec 17 14:19:00 1998 From: fyang at xxx.ca (Frank Yang) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:19:00 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Seasons Greetings And Goodbyes Message-ID: <367912D4.8DC4AD9@itl.ca> 'lo listees Just bidding everyone a happy holidays as I bugger off from work for a couple weeks and unsubscribe so that the e-mail server doesn't crash from the zillion list messages I'd be receiving, causing the LAN-support guy to investigate what was causing all the traffic and discovering, horror of horrors, that I've spent the last four months doing absolutely nothing except sending and receiving non-work related e-mails... and no one needs to know that... SO anyways, before I leave, I'd like to throw my two bits in on a number of topics: major labels: I don't believe major labels are inherently evil - indie may be fine for younger bands, but as their fanbase grows, the smaller label may not be able to support the band to the extent that a major label can. Point in case - R.E.M. going from IRS to Warner Bros. They didn't have much choice, really, if they wanted to keep growing. So as for B&S, the selfish part of me would like them to sign to a major so that, if nothing else, I wouldn't be paying the ridiculous prices for their records that I am... but having experienced the stellar service from Jeepster on the latest EP, I may be all turned around on this... So to sum up - I have no problem with major labels. Most of my favorite bands (B&S excepted) are on major labels, and are doing quite well as far as I can see. I think the key is getting the right deal with the right people. least favorite song: Gotta say, I prefer StuM's compositions over StevieJ's. If I were to pick songs off of Arab Strap that maybe shouldn't have made the cut, in order, they'd be Seymour Stein (depending on my mood, it can be painful to listen too), Space Boy Dream (not Steve, I know) and then Chickfactor. I think my main beef is Steve's lyrics seem awkward and graceless compared to Stu's. The music in Chickfactor is quite good, rescuing it, but I don't really care for Seymour Stein on any level. It's not a Revolution #9-type of dislike, but still. I hit skip a fair bit when I can be bothered. And I like Isobel's songs. It could just be because she's got such a cute voice, it's nigh-impossible to dislike. As for the worst B&S songs being better than anything else out there, I disagree a lot. I find there's a lot of good music out there. You just have to look for it. The Black Sessions: A little dated topic-wise, sure, but I just got mine. Big props up to Alexandra - muchos gracias. Excellent stuff. The Delgados stuff is quite good too, looks like I'll be buying a few more items on Boxing Day... The Black Hole: The most terrifying Disney movie ever, as far as I'm concerned. I wept when Old Bob stayed to fight Maximillian, and when you saw a person's eyes in Maximillian's eye slits, well that was just too much. The whole film absolutely traumatized me, the read-along-record book only a little less so. So I think that about sums up for now. Everybody have a good holidays - I'm living vicariously through the lot of you. I'll be monitoring your shenanigans via digest, though. And that's about it. Seeya. -- Frank Yang "Happy holidays." In my CD player: The Sweet Hereafter OST +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JonnyKat at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 15:53:15 1998 From: JonnyKat at xxx.com (JonnyKat at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:53:15 EST Subject: Sinister: We can't rewind, we've gone too far. Message-ID: Hello there, children. I return from the shadows to comment on all your witty chatter this past week... and you thought I wasn't paying attention! HA! Kevan recently regurgitated: "Behold the power of cheese!" It's a great country, no? Kevan, I'm so sorry I missed you when you visited. Feeling better, I hope? Too much American cheese? Well, I heard you were very sweet, so I'm destroying your image as a tough guy, right now in front of everyone. The reason I was not in NYC is because I was in Athens, Georgia. Which brings me to my next series of comments... Robbie attempted a compliment: "Great meeting johny and billy, your part was ace!" The only problem is, after having met Robbie and discovering he is a truck- driving Southern redneck hillbilly, I think it's safe to say that he has never, ever, uttered the word "ace" is his entire life -- unless it was during a poker game. :) Then Brad Bellowed: "It was all this guy's fault named billy who showed up with johnny. he insisted that we "shed some blood of the innocent." Well, I think you misunderstood, my dear. I was there, and what Billy said was that we should have "fed some mud to the insolent." I think he was referring to you? :) You boys know I'm teasing... Then Megan defended: "Billy is the sweetest little kitten of a charming boy ever. and as chris leonard so helpfully pointed out, brad is a lion waiting to devour and maim. who do you believe?" Thank you, Megan, for defending the sweet little kitten against the big bad lion. Charming is a good word to describe Billy, but I think you should know... he does have a very dark, evil side as well. Right, Billy? Oh, and Ginger teased: "ps--I took pictures, and I'll post again when I can get them up and scanned." Well, we'd love to see them! I can't wait to expose Bob with his animals, Sandi getting sandy, and Billy wrapped up with another woman. It's ok, Billy, I'm over it now. I realize that I have something she will never have... And on that note, I bid thee all a Happy Christmas! Love and Kisses, Jonny P. S. Anyone in New Mexico for the holi-daze? Write me! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fyang at xxx.ca Thu Dec 17 16:09:31 1998 From: fyang at xxx.ca (Frank Yang) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:09:31 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Sinster: Aw shit. Message-ID: <36792CBB.8010E648@itl.ca> Okay, the post I sent two hours ago just showed up, which means my two resends can't be far behind... Massive apologies for the multiple redundent posts. Feel free to harangue me in my absence. Any personal attacks can be sent to f2yang at hotmail.com. I thought the posts vanished. It's never taken two hours to show up before... -- Frank Yang "I'm so very very, very sorry..." In my CD player: The Jayhawks - Tomorrow The Green Grass +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keith at xxx.uk Thu Dec 17 16:19:24 1998 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:19:24 -0000 Subject: Sinister: We are ze robots Message-ID: <000001be29d9$02fa1b20$4e0129c2@sun.QSS> Oon, no problem if you want Dr.Divine's tapey experience for your own front room, drop me your address again and I'll mail it off to you. By the way, you may be "hoist by your own petard" when talking about Yul Brynner, cause, as we all know, Yul Brynner himself is in fact a robot! It's true, and yes, he is dead, he got shot at the end of Westworld. You're going to have to work out where your allegiances lie - robots versus the King and I. Frank - have a lovely Christmas, and, as a special Christmas present to us all - please ensure you compile a list of "What's in your CD player" every day, so's you can post it in the New Year when you return. Everyone going to the Bluesoda thing tonight, please say an extra special hello to Northy for me. If I was there, I'd administer him a Glasgow kiss myself. Unfortunately I'm not gonna be though, never mind, maybe some time next year. Incidentally, the Glasgow thing has no definite location as of yet. I'm gonna find out what the story is and post to the list before I bugger off on holiday which is next Wednesday. Look forward to meeting more of you though, all the usual suspects will be turning up. Cheers, Keith. Ps : Frank, just seen your new mail - perhaps your CD player diary ought to be hourly, instead of daily. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From indiekid at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 16:39:15 1998 From: indiekid at xxx.com (Trevor T Treadmill) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:39:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: MERV GRIFFIN!!! Message-ID: <19981217163915.23771.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Merv Griffin. Merv Griffin! MERV GRIFFIN!! MERV GRIFFIN!!!!! === Nobody knows I'm a lesbian PS. Merv Griffin. _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eds101 at xxx.uk Thu Dec 17 16:57:56 1998 From: eds101 at xxx.uk (DAVE) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:57:56 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: Brynner is dead. Message-ID: Yul Brynner is not only dead but he starred in a t.v.commercial to adertise the fact. A long way from the heady days of being a wild west samurai who came to the rescue of a depressed peasant village that was being taunted by an evil warlord with only Steve mcQueen and five other pistol-flashing rogues for assistance (scenes only beaten in their compelling nature by those featured in the 'Three Amigos'), Yul dyed a cancer ridden alcoholic who had spent several years drinking, smoking and being shagged to death. This we know because he subsequently starred posthumously in an government warning campaign scripted something like this: "Hello, My name is Yul Brynner and I am dead. I am dead because I smoked cigarettes. I am dead because I drank and smoked and was shagged senseless day in day out by playboy bunnies. Don't do it or you might die too." The above is said with an ironic smile of absolute arrogance and extacy which says, 'Like you wouldn't do it too if you got half the chance!!!' +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenny at xxx.uk Thu Dec 17 17:05:44 1998 From: kenny at xxx.uk (jake) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:05:44 -0000 Subject: Sinister: oh deary me Message-ID: <199812171706.RAA02961@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> STOMP STOMP STOMP, Oh dear Mark, picking on Jeepster is not very nice is it? Especially seeing as neither David or Katrina are here to defend themselves and the label. So in their absence I challenge you to a playground fight, I know that the might of Big Dave Kitchen would have been more frightening, and that Katrina would be on the side cheering him on, but i'll do my best.................. But before the fight starts, I'd just like to say may last words, with around 800 people listening. I'm not even going to put on the Katrina wig for this bit, this is me speaking, no jeepster connections, nowt, just a fan....... Do you not think that if Belle and Sebastian were on a label they might have turned out a little different? There would have been 3 singles of sinister, the 3rd would have made the charts, and then would come the 2nd album (to a major) and it wouldn't be a arab strap at all, think la pastie, and again, and again, and again. A major wouldn't care about the music, they'ld care about hits and money and thats it. They would have either ended up like gorkys (ie dumped by the label) or just a pop/indie band , and I'm happy with what I've got now, thanks very much. The Band didn't want that either, they signed to jeepster because of the freedom they were offered and got, they could, undoubtably, have signed for more money elsewhere but they would have lost control of the music. If you want a band that'll be on radio one all the time go and love gomez........... (or the divine comedy, Neil has just signed to parlophone for £1m, and just watch him become pish) Now back to that fight.. [rolling his sleeves up] love to all jake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From moomin1998 at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 19:12:00 1998 From: moomin1998 at xxx.com (Jonas Svensson) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:12:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: new ep and video ramblings Message-ID: <36795780.C5129048@mypad.com> Hi, everybody This is my first posting to this list and thought that I´d write something about my feelings on the new ep. I was a bit dissapointed when I first got the EP it didn´t catch immediately but then neither IYFS nor TBWTAS did, but now I love all three. What an amazing song TIJAMRS is but I have to agree with a previous poster that the second part of the song is superior to the first. I saw the video for the first time on mtv yesterday, it´s good I especially liked the colors in it, acctually this was the first time I realized just how good they are compared to the crap they were showing before and after. Oh, and the rest of the EP then, hmm, good songs not much more to say, the gate wasn´t so bad. Got my first b&s tshirt too, can´t wait until the winter is over so people actually sees it... -jonas goteborg,sweden in my cdplayer now : abba "the hits 2" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From james at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 19:45:29 1998 From: james at xxx.com (J Errington) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:45:29 -0000 Subject: Sinister: This *is* a declaration. Message-ID: Firstly if you hate bis then fair enough but you don't have too yell it out in a public forum like some kind of style policeman. Secondly, JJ said this: > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:01:10 +0000 > From: JJ > Subject: Sinister: boring > > J Errington wrote, patronisingly, about Tag: > > Oh Tag, I feel your pain, of course. But you know, bygons may be > >bygons but this isn't a bygone, if you follow me. But don't. Alright, I > forgive you > >for being a waste of space. *Mwa* there, that's better isn't it? Now go > play with > >brad. > A waste of space? Rich coming from you. Please let me tell you on behalf > of many of us, your 'wacky' tales of your 'zany' student life are > irrelevant and uninteresting to us. Perhaps you could start your own list > for this subject matter. Thank you. > JJ JJ, did you really think I was being serious? Really!? It was a JOKE. Ever heard of a joke Mr. JJ? No, I don't mean beating up the weedy kid or pissing off the top of a building. "'wacky' tales of your 'zany' student life" means nothing to me. My life is miserable, joyful or some point in between, usually closer to miserable to be honest. If you think it's 'wacky' then fuck you. Lastly... It's bad enough people telling me I'm a worthless shit in the real world without the trend continuing here. I never agreed with all the people who said this list was going downhill. OK, I thought, its a little clogged up but still good. Where has all this hate come from so suddenly? A debate that is little more than mutual baiting? A tendancy to shout at anyone who got in your way? Fuck it all. I may write again sometime in the future, possibly. This doesn't affect the story chain people by the way. james martin errington. (weejay if you must) "Modern capitalism, organising the reduction of all social life to a spectacle, cannot offer any other spectacle than that of our own alienation" james at twopounds.u-net.com (my site kills browsers) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/5523/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tangent at xxx.net Thu Dec 17 19:48:08 1998 From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:48:08 +0000 Subject: Sinister: oh deary me References: <199812171706.RAA02961@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> Message-ID: <36795FF8.E49D7AE8@lineone.net> jake, do you have connections with Jeepster? business or otherwise??? i'm just intrigued, i just wondered why the 'me with my fan hat on' thing... but whatever. Here's me with my very foolish looking (ab)normal person's chapeau on: if you think that Jeepster is really any different to any other record label, maybe you need to remove the indie-blinkers. Jeepster is a record COMPANY, and the job of a record company is to make money. How do you think they manage to pay the members of their bands lovely plump salaries, as well as those of the lovely folks like David and Katrina. Personally i can't decide if Jeepster have been very shrewd or just very very lucky with B&S... i wonder if the band had not had the sorts of feelings about the way their records are produced and marketed, whether Jeepster would have treated them any different to the other un-named labels you pour so much scorn on. i wonder if someone at Jeepster just had the sense to know that B&S would get big because, well they sounded so fucking GREAT, and that in the long run the whole procedure for putting out records the way they do and not doing interviews, well that would all just help build the myth in the right places. It worked of course, and maybe you'd need to be extremelly naive to think that isn't a marketing strategy all by itself. Or just horribly cynical to think it is. It's been three short years, and look: B&S CDs next to Billie, full page colour ads in music press. And in case you were wondering, the full page ad is to MAKE PEOPLE BUY THE RECORDS, which IS TO MAKE MORE MONEY. i personally think Jeepster is weird... i mean, how could they be so prescient in signing B&S and then be so full of myopia when signing the mediocre at best Salako, and the abominable Snow Patrol? To me, those two groups make EXACTLY the kind of second rate indie sounds that you like to think all the 'evil' labels are touting. i'm not damning Jeepster, i'm just saying that they're working in the same system as anyone else in the business, and i don't think that the folks in charge are naive enough to think they are doing anything else but being a business. They might have started out as being more passion and belief than anything else, but so did Creation. Sooner or later, when success arrives, the goals change. It's fair enough. And i don't think Jeepster has anything like the cred or kudos of early Creation, simply because they don't have enough talent on their records. > If you want a band that'll be on radio one all the time go and love > gomez........... > (or the divine comedy, Neil has just signed to parlophone for £1m, and just > watch him become pish) but the Divine Comedy have always been pish. And i get kids telling me they heard B&S on radio one all the time, i just don't listen myself... for obvious reasons (i'm old and have better things to do with my life). keep the faith kids, the duke ------------------------------------------ 'all of our dreams are dying of overdoses' ------------------------------------------ Tangents On-Line http://www.tangents.co.uk PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at lineone.net ------------------------------------------ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Scott_Turner at xxx.COM Thu Dec 17 20:18:02 1998 From: Scott_Turner at xxx.COM (Scott Turner) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:18:02 -0500 Subject: Sinister: oh deary me Message-ID: <852566DD.006F01D1.00@JHMAIL.JH.COM> geeze, how'd this list turn so quickly into a bunch of bitter bickering old farts. Lighten up. Have some egg nog or manishewitz or whatever puts the winter smiles back on your faces kids!!!! .scott +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Thu Dec 17 20:33:11 1998 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:33:11 -0000 Subject: Sinister: oh deary me In-Reply-To: <36795FF8.E49D7AE8@lineone.net> Message-ID: <000001be29fc$7748a6e0$cf9375c2@quartz> >And in case you were wondering, the full >page ad is to MAKE PEOPLE BUY THE RECORDS, which IS TO MAKE MORE MONEY. Quite right here really, and I also don't know of anyone who has received a legal letter from the 'evil' major labels threatening action on a suggestion that they're about to make a copy of an album. Certainly not on a record that's not owned by the record label. We've had this argument time and time again on this list, and it's just daft. If I thought major record labels didn't care enough about music to put out good stuff, I'd have to dump about 80% of my record collection. It's daft believing majors are different from indies. Often too, major labels pay employees for doing things like putting a load of singles into envelopes and sending them off. One of my favourite labels of the nineties was Mo'Wax, a label that's got Tory written all over it. Every record's in the ridiculous sleeve and they all cost about 6 quid - for singles. Plus they continually re-release almost identical things, that are just different enough for people to want to shell out more money for them, but it's really just skinning money off the fans. Weejay, I suppose the reason JJ didn't think your letter was a joke was that it bloody well didn't look like one. It's a pity indeed you say when it things on the list come to this, and it'd be a pity if you decided you had to leave on this basis. However, saying things like : <> Does strike me as rather patronising too, and it's hard to believe that you're surprised JJ didn't get the "joke". I'm glad you didn't mean it to sound like that. But next time it might be better making it a spot clearer. Cheers, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SANDRAD at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 20:58:20 1998 From: SANDRAD at xxx.com (Sandra Duric) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:58:20 -0500 Subject: Sinister: ruling the school Message-ID: <01BE29D6.14697BB0@SANDRA> The Duke rules! i'm not damning Jeepster, i'm just saying that they're working in the same system as anyone else in the business, and i don't think that the folks in charge are naive enough to think they are doing anything else but being a business. They might have started out as being more passion and belief than anything else, but so did Creation. Sooner or later, when success arrives, the goals change. It's fair enough. And i don't think Jeepster has anything like the cred or kudos of early Creation, simply because they don't have enough talent on their records. I was talking to a culture studies professor at the University of Chicago when all the B&S hype was happening in the States, just before their tour, and he said that the B&S rise to fame and glory would be a record company marketing executives wet dream, indie or major. There's nothing like mystery to pique people's interests, and then of course, putting value on the music versus wasting time running around doing interviews, playing the media darling or fool, while frustrating, does validate them in the eyes of their fans. Not to say they don't value their music. So Jeepster's bloody cunning when it comes to marketing or just damn lucky. This whole indie/major debate makes me think of label sluts - only Prada, only Gucci. Granted, I thought it mattered and bought things just because it was on a particular label, and I still keep my eye on certain ones because it's an old habit to break, but eventually, you realize how snobby you're being, and it doesn't really matter - good music is to be found anywhere, on any label. Off topic though - Frank! I tried to email you but was rejected (your Lan administrator is on to you!). I was going to say if you like the Delgados, get the Cinerama! Just trust me on this. Even more off topic - it's cold and pretty and little snowy icicle things everywhere and santa's elves are making all the car door locks freeze and everyone's getting excited because it'll be a "White Christmas" and I'm thinking, time to move to the Bahamas! Screw rosy winter cheeks! Back on topic - Carly and I will be spinning the new ep Friday night so if you can, tune in. 10pm - midnight, Detroit time on CJAM 91.5 on www.uwindsor.ca/cjam/music_links.html Merry, merry... alexandra +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenny at xxx.uk Thu Dec 17 21:15:23 1998 From: kenny at xxx.uk (jake) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:15:23 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Taking off those indie blinkers Message-ID: <199812172153.VAA00537@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> Hi there list, Having been so well beaten in the playgroung fight when Sir, (aka Duke came in) and broke up the fight at the same time as pushing me to the floor (no, smut content zero, so this ain't going no further), i though that I'd wipe the blood from my nose, the dirt from my knees and stand up in assembly and explain........ We'll connections with jeepster, as I said before I gave a hand with the mail outs and ep mailings, hardly much but I met the crew and saw how things work. I've also worked with their distribution company, and therefore during this time dealt with other indie labels, such as skint and creation. Jeepster is still very small, just the 3 people in the office. David, Katrina and Mark Jones. David and Katrina we know about, and Mark is the man. He signed them (just go and read Stu D's ink polaroids) and although the label is still out to make money there is still a passion unlike those other labels, with fans such as David and Katrina in the company, they are always going to get a true opinion. >From what I've seen the no interview policy was Stuart Murdoch's idea, and it is him with the masterplan rather than the label. That is why they signed to jeepster for less money, they knew they could play it as the wanted to, ineligable singles as they like, and gigs as and when they wanted. Don't you think that if Jeepster had utter control, and the urge for money that they've been accused of then they would have lost a track? Chart single, more airplay, more sales, more money. Simple as that, but Stu didn't want that, he isn't driven by money and thus nor are Jeepster, he has control. As for the other signings, Mark has the same belief in them as he did with Belle and Sebastian, it just happens that they aren't ever going to make it in quite the same way as B&S. Alan McGee signed Oasis, and then signed the dismal 3 colours red and hurricane#1, he had belief in them, in much the same way as Mark has with his acts. It is a money machine, it is a business, but there is still passion. The difference is there between Jeepster and Creation. Trust me. Trust them , they'll do their best for the bands, keeping the faith jake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jarvislon at xxx.com Thu Dec 17 21:17:25 1998 From: Jarvislon at xxx.com (Jarvislon at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:17:25 EST Subject: Sinister: merv griffin? Message-ID: <18efc135.367974e5@aol.com> ok i'll make this short.i don't pretend to know everything about B&S like some people on this list,but i'll throw my two cents in anyway.my opinion may not matter much(make fun of me if you like)i love the new e.p. and i like stevies vocals,i see nothing wrong with the way he sings.i mean if you're going to put down stevies singing you should say something about stuarts ,as well.of course IKWTSG is kind of boring but 1 out of 4 isn't bad.give some credit.oh yea! sha-na-na is evil and they will ask you to sign something in blood,don't do it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenny at xxx.uk Thu Dec 17 22:15:25 1998 From: kenny at xxx.uk (jake) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:15:25 -0000 Subject: Sinister: oh I give up Message-ID: <199812172214.WAA02133@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> I give up, you're all right. Majors good, indies good, and jeepster is just indie Sod this for a laugh I'm off for a swift absinthe (and then maybe i'll return to the list with another drunken comment and start a brawl) Topic closed (not that I'm telling people what to do on this list. And where is honey?) love jake 3 mails in a day- sorry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dec at xxx.uk Thu Dec 17 22:20:56 1998 From: dec at xxx.uk (Declan McGurk) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:20:56 -0000 Subject: Sinister: any other decent lists about? Message-ID: <000101be2a0b$ade93020$c246883e@m-gurk.freeserve.co.uk> does someone know a slightly smaller-yet-similar list to this? i mean this is great an all but it just a bit of a chore trying to read all the stuff sent to it. i mean i dont, but i just wonder what i might be missing? and i'd like some empathy in it as well. cool. and i didnt put spaceboy dream in worst b and s songs cos its not them. its that non-stuart m eegit and his crappy side project. still not as bad as chickfactor though. see ya, Dec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Fri Dec 18 00:09:04 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:09:04 -0800 Subject: Sinister: peace on earth, and good will toward sinisterites!! Message-ID: <000f01be2a1a$a0b9ccc0$3711020a@rebelstrange> MUST--RESIST--URGE TO---STRANGLE FELLOW--HUMANS--- ok that's my bit in. i'm feeling better today. i chose not to post last night because the frustration was still too fresh. now then, what's al this squabbling and insulting, it's childish you know! art is by nature, subjective. we all have our diverse and lovely opinions about what makes us each have gooshy feelings or makes us cry or laugh. and music is the most wonderful of Arts, being so complex and incorporating every other art into the feelings it gives us, i.e. dance, visual images, belle lettres (hehee). I'm inspired to each of these simpley by listening to a song. Music is so wonderfully disparate in its inspiration and creation and form, i dno't see how it could possibly be concrete. it may likely be the most subjective of all the arts, in my opinion, but i dont' care to think how cos intellectual analyses bore me. i just wanna hear the pretty songs. cheers to reid's thoughtful post on how to appreciate the red headed step children of b&s songs. I personally LOVE rollercoaster ride. it's one of those that i didnt' care for at first, but now i find myself waking up with it in my head. i dont' know why, but i like it. Chickfactor, i think the music is really nice, especially the beautiful string part in it, that's just sublime, if i ever find myslef thinking i should fast forward through the song, i decide to listen to it so i can hear that gorgeous cello line. CF reminds me very much of the Kinks song about Oklahoma Usa. i like stevie's voice in seymour stein better, and the lyrics in CF are kind of well, crap, but i think the music is lovely. Century of Elvis is ok in itself, but in principle, it's a ripoff. no way should it rate AVOVE century of fakers, with its heartbreaking final verse and delighfully perfect isobel harmonies at the end. it's ok, but i would just rather hear singing than talking. the words for spaceboy dream are better, but the end part sounds like a stone roses jam. its still nice though. a lot of listees have said really good things about this fighting but i can't go back and list them all, so you know who you are, you saints on earth, i love all of you, and rest assured that Isobel is smiling down on you. (and if you dont' play nice and stop tattling on each other, i have a special Friend of Izzy i'd like you to meet) a Modest proposal: the B&S edition of Monopoly. the street names will all be from Glasgow, and instead of money they can pay with bus tokens. or they can play with both. and you have to ride the scheduled bus around the board, at particular times. playing pieces will be of course dog on wheels, the shiny apple, buses, a fox, yeah! you will receive cards such as these from "community trust" and "cosmopolitan diaries": Chris's flares have caused a gory boating disaster. shell out 20 quid for flowers and a hospital visit. Isobel gets stuck in French Popster mode. lose one turn trying to smack her upside the head with an arab strap. You have just been called "twee". go straight back to the schoolyard. do not pass Stow. do not collect 200 quid for a flight across the ocean. Sebastian, you're in a mess. you had a dream they calle dyou king of all the hipsters is it true or are you still the queen? go back 2 spaces and wear a dress for the next 3 turns. Photo Jenny strikes a pose for you. move up 3 spaces. OOh, that church floor is all gunky from last night's Dirty Dream. lose one turn cleaning up the mess. your new single, "Miss Elkins the Liberated Librarian" makes it to top of the pops. collect 100 pounds! ---of course the ultimate goal is to--uh--well ih avne't thought of that yet, but i'm sure it will be really great. any one smarter than me want to figure out all the rules? i've lost my patience with board games. oh and "you made me forget my Dreams" is God. remember that on judgment day. Sarah, a woman of my own heart, bless you. the Slits do rock with ferocity. and girls just rule, let's be honest here. you boys, with your weird body shapes, aren't men's legs just stupid looking? sometiems, in a blue moon, a boy will display an attractive upper torso such as yes, mr murdoch, that will make you think. but below the waist, there's not really much going on is there. i pity the fools. oh anyway. WANKERS!!! that's why i love Stuart. he's a REAL man, who doesn't have to go round singign about the size of his er, jolly roger, or how many chicks he banged last night. he doesnt' have to compensate for his deeply latent terror of being accused of enjoying buggery, which, let's be REALLLY honest, is what al lyou guys are really worried about when you try to act 'macho' and i'm not accusing particulars, just speaking in general (cos there are some lovely true boys on the list ). I love how he writes with such sensitivity about his female characters, that's reason enough to love. and besides, he's just the sweetest and most soft spoken guy you could ever meet, what a right gentleman. Hooray! for men like Stuart m. he's at the top of my "alternate sexuality" crush list. um.....right now he's the oly one i can think of but anyway. Sarah, you rock. that was a kickass post, dude! or whatever....... BUT SOFT! somewhere in the distance, a coyote pricks her ears. the silent message travels over the globe, trips across the stormy seas, wafts through balmy breezes and rustles the falling leaves, thousands of miles away............"what's that, lassie? someone has insulted the Goddess of Everything Marvelous, Polly Harvey?? who is it girl? what's that? find them and cane their brains in and then drop them down a deep deep ravine?? Go get em, girl!!" No really. you thought you were in trouble for slagging Isobel, you aint' seen nothin yet. polly jean is a woman of my own heart and soul, my inspiration when times were tougher than tough, and she holds a special place in my emotions. Not to mention that she's a truly divine creature of unsurpassed human beauty, and she has a Voice of Sex. Oooh you!! you're in trouble now!!! start running cos you're gonna need a big head start! hmm. i bought some nice flares yesterday, and i also bought a--uh mm---er a kilt. ooh me, i'll be sure to wear it with pride the day that i visit scotland! and you all can come to wish me luck in the next life, and perhaps soothe my devastating injuries before i go. no i'm kidding. but it's a real kilt, wooly and made in scotland and has leather little buckles on it and stuff. unfortunately i dont' have any of tnose stockings with fringes on them to go. i think girls would look cute in kilts. i'd like to see isobel in a kilt, with nice off-black fitting sweater and a little tartan cap with a feather in it. mmm......Amish porno........ Can anyone explain why when i listen to either le Pastie, or now France Gall's Poupee de cire, i have the deep urge to bob up and down and do that dance where you pretend you're swimming?? aah.......thanks again Xavier. anyone who has not heard the dulcet tones of Francoise and France should run out today and seek and find them. and let me say i was deeply scarred by the shock of hearing Nick Drakes voice. HORRORS!!! I think he and Stuart were reincarnated in each other. mummy, i'm scared. well i'm off to finish my poetry chapbook. it's due today and my cpu is deciding to be possessed by the devil and i have had many sleepless nights attempting to get the thing done. it's partially dedicated tO Isobel, just for a laugh. and i wrote an edie poem last night. i'm rather proud of that one, so far. unless today when i copy it down i notice that it's utter crap, which sometimes happens when you write. "Making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel" lesleyJo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kwl96 at xxx.edu Thu Dec 17 22:44:49 1998 From: kwl96 at xxx.edu (azrael) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:44:49 -0500 Subject: Sinister: peace on earth, and good will toward sinisterites!! In-Reply-To: <000f01be2a1a$a0b9ccc0$3711020a@rebelstrange> Message-ID: At 19:09 -0500 12/17/98, Lesley J. Miller wrote: [MUST--RESIST--URGE TO---STRANGLE FELLOW--HUMANS--- (snip) [lesleyJo must . . . kill . . . moe . . . WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! must . . . kill . . . moe . . . WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! sorry. couldn't resist. -kerry " ' okay stimpy, it's time for your evolving lessons.' 'oh RAPTURE!' " -ren and stimpy +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gary at xxx.uk Thu Dec 17 23:06:35 1998 From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:06:35 -0000 Subject: Sinister: RE: sinister-digest V2 #567 In-Reply-To: <199812171557.PAA01123@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000201be2a11$e560f5a0$d508883e@whelan> Hello, Well it happened, I put off saying anything beforehand cos people always miss my point. Michael wrote... > If they don't want to sell their souls to the great god of corporate > whores, surely that's a good thing. They're managing to sell a decent > amount of records on the strength of the music and a little bit of > mystique. This bit is such nonsense. In the US, B&S are distributed by Matador/Capitol Records. How much more corporate can you get? They're even featured in those damn music clubs like Columbia House (um, so says a friend). Who cares? I like the music, not a business strategy. The reason they aren't on the top of the charts is because few want to hear creative, witty and sincere music. Not with a new Alanis album around. Yes I like the music not the business strategy, that was the whole point. Besides I was referring to their reluctance to do any press, not their choice of record label, sorry for the confusion, I'm hopeless at expressing my thoughts. I don't care who they're signed to, what interviews they do or don't do, whether they choose to tour or not. I just want to listen to great music that's all. Anyway, my whole point was can't we just enjoy the music, put up with the tracks we don't like and respect B&S for who they are and how they are ?. Gary +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frantila at xxx.com Fri Dec 18 10:04:12 1998 From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:04:12 EET Subject: Sinister: indieschmindie and "oh, i'm so cool 'cause i make music no-one likes". Message-ID: <19981218080413.14360.qmail@hotmail.com> Hmm.... Funny, call me a heartless capitalist, but I'd rather make one crappy album that sells 100 000 000 copies than one perfect album that sells 10 copies. You guys can cry in your beds because no-one understands your music and your perfection. I'll just sit on my throne in my mansion just outside of Paris, while my personal housekeeper lies in front of me naked, giving me a footmassage, while my wife and two kids ride horses in my 600 acre backyard, which I can afford because my discopop-album "Barbie Is A Monster But I Don't Care" just went number one in the universal crapmusic-charts. I'd rather make tons of money than good music, you know. That's just the way I am. @--->--- a rose, love and other stuff that makes you feel funny in your tummy, jarkko fr�ntil�. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shop at xxx.uk Fri Dec 18 05:57:19 1998 From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:57:19 +1000 Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V2 #565 References: <199812162031.UAA29268@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> <36784D42.86262963@jeepster.co.uk> Message-ID: <3679EEBE.9C65EDE6@jeepster.co.uk> > > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:07:04 PST > > From: "Mark Cerzinski" > > Subject: Sinister: Me And The Major > > > > Ok People, > > > > Here's the deal. I think it's starting to get plainly obvious that > > Jeepster just aren't pushing Belle and Sebastian hard enough or far > > enough. It's ludicrous that they've been getting away without doing any > > proper interviews and not having their photos in the music press. We're > > their fans and we deserve better. Would it really have been so difficult > > to prune a track from the Modern Rock Song EP so that we could at least > > get excited listening to the new chart rundown? And even dreaming about > > a slot on "Top of the Pops" for the best band in Britain would be better > > than nothing, no hope at all. I really think B&S should sign to a major > > label now, before the potential they have is lost. They would be > > promoted better, have better tours in proper, established venues and > > their records would be easier to find and buy. Let's face it, B&S are a > > Radio 2 band. Grannies listen to Radio 2 and they buy their CDs in > > Woolies and Asda. They need a major label. > > > > Thanks for listening, > > Love, > > Mark xxx sorry if my holiday time delay means someone else has answered this, but mark :) don't you realise that it's the band that decide the things you're moaning about? don't you think that jeepster wouldn't like more gigs? i personally want the whole world and it's granny to have heard their music and to have had the chance to realise how life-affirming it is, but if the band choose not to promote themselves, and if the band choose not to tour, what would you have us do? i suppose we could put cardboard cut-outs in venues up and down the country, or start a campaign against the chart people for silly rules that make us exempt. but you know what? we're actually happy with the way things are going, and more important than the band touring forever is to have some more music to love, and i personally wouldn't mind never pushing the band to do promotions if it helped safeguard their prolific song-writing. i'd much rather have more music than more sales, and another thing. aren't you the guy that will turn round and hate the band once they 'sell-out'? a label isn't serving fans by exploiting a band, it's only serving itself. jeepster will never do anything the band doesn't want to, but if the band change their mind about what they're doing, then we'll support them through whatever they want to do then too. jeepster, serving the band and fans by helping to create great music without ripping you off and lining our pockets. david kitchen -- "i'd been in music for five years and if someone had told me that the record label would take my money to pay for those fucking posters at the side of the road and those shit adverts in the monthlies, i wouldn't ever have picked up the guitar in the first place. . . i have less now than i did then." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shop at xxx.uk Fri Dec 18 06:37:23 1998 From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:37:23 +1000 Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V2 #568 References: <199812172152.VAA11947@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3679F823.F78698C4@jeepster.co.uk> sinister-digest wrote: > From: duke of harringay > Subject: Re: Sinister: oh deary me > jake, do you have connections with Jeepster? business or otherwise??? > i'm just intrigued, i just wondered why the 'me with my fan hat on' > thing... but whatever. Here's me with my very foolish looking (ab)normal > person's chapeau on: jake's dad is one of the directors at 3MV, 3MV handle the distribution and shops and stuff, he's also been a saviour in helping us when we do our mail-outs, 4,500 envelopes are a lot to pack :) > From: Sandra Duric > Subject: Sinister: ruling the school > So Jeepster's bloody cunning when it comes to marketing or = > just damn lucky. i think luck comes a lot into it, i don't think we're clever enough to be cunning :), has anyone read any pratchett? jeepster would be rincewind. > From: "jake" > Subject: Sinister: Taking off those indie blinkers > > Hi there list, sorry jake, but when it comes down to it, anything against jeepster should be answered for by jeepster regardless of how much yourself or anyone else appreciates or cares for the label. we're grown up and need to fight our own squabbles now. the whole major label indie thing is silly. full stop. there are no differences in that we all need to make money to be able to make the next record, that simple. even sarah records understood that principle. so why the debate? well it seems that what you're all arguing over is the way in which record labels make the money and how they treat their artists. and the hate against majors isn't that they make money from the bands (every label does, indie or not) but that the bands, the music is all treated as 'product' and without much care for the music or the people. majors plan everything, you wouldn't believe what the marketing departments actually control. so what about the indies? well, we're amatuer, the lot of us :) we still make money from the bands, if we never did the labels wouldn't exist and b&s wouldn't be able to fund recording costs, let alone production. but we don't have a marketing department, and we don't treat the music as 'product'. we care for the band and the music, katrina still cries at slow graffiti and i still have my breath taken from me at modern rock song. and the underlying thing is simple, it's not about who makes money, or who sells more, it's about who cares for the band, music and fans, and who stands by they're beliefs in these bands even when they're losing money (majors don't as a lot of recently dumped bands will testify). a major label and an indie may both make money (or at times lose money) but the ONLY diffence is that indies TEND to care more about the bands, and their relationship with those bands help create more diverse music which is free from the restraints of marketing, 'product' and current musical trends. i've typed quickly 'cause i'm on holiday, so if i've not made any sense, well, i'm sorry. but i hope you all get the idea. feel free to abuse me privately and spare the list (and listees) any more dribble cheers david kitchen PS: oz is lovely, perth is a dream, the in-laws are great and have a cool bar-b-que, we'll be back in mid-jan to deal with any trouble with merchandise, whatever, we love you all loads, have a cool christmas :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keith at xxx.uk Fri Dec 18 09:41:47 1998 From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:41:47 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Sorry Chaps Message-ID: <000501be2a6a$a188a720$4e0129c2@sun.QSS> Sorry people, but I'm out of here. It's just too dull and depressing reading this every day. Used to enjoy it loads, but don't any more. Still glad to have met all the people I did, and I'll stay in touch with everyone. Please contact me at keith at qss.co.uk or k.watson at cableinet.co.uk if you want to get a hold of me. I'll still put a mail to the list regarding the meet up in Glasgow at New Year - in a few days or so, once I've consulted with some of the other people. And I look forward to meeting you. I'll still be in on chat from time to time too. Thanks for everything, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From WarranderJ at xxx.uk Fri Dec 18 09:41:40 1998 From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:41:40 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Never Trust A Hippie Message-ID: <51F7EB9834B0D011B56C0000F8303B0042626A@gateway.finnigan.co.uk> Howdy Folks, I'm feeling a bit of a literary leaning in my mood today so I thought I'd start the proceedings by paying homage to that 19th Century Russian classic, Tolstoy's "War and Peace". I'll start with the "War" bit. The Duke probably doesn't know the danger he's in, so I'll warn him. >and it wasn't your sister i called aboot was it? No, it wasn't my sister. It was my bird. And a bloody big Deptford lass she is too with a Millwall lion tattooed on her chest to show for her days down the Den in the heady, crazy days of the early-to-mid 80s. She doesn't mind being called a boot. But a Glasweigan!!! I'd watch out for the glint of a scalpel blade if I was you. Now I suppose there has to be a "Peace" bit. Well, there's going to be some rallies for peace (around Britain anyway) tomorrow and I'd encourage you all to make the effort and take part if your feelings are that way inclined since that slimeball Blair is claiming overwhelming public support. There'll be a special prize to anyone who manages to get themselves arrested. A night in the cells. And I'm saying nothing about "losing man-cherries" since this is a serious subject and smut would be inappropriate. I had to unsub from Sha-na-na cos they scare me. Stand & Deliver, Love...John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Fri Dec 18 08:08:47 1998 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:08:47 +1000 Subject: Sinister: Ooh, i wish people didn't bring me down on my holidays ... Message-ID: <367A0D8F.7E3FDDF2@jeepster.co.uk> Dear List, hello ... how are you all? i'm having a lovely time in perth, remembering the good and bad things about this place, but also meeting my friends in the wa music industry again and rediscovering the passion they have for music ... ... something i have lost by living in london, i've become a cynic. anyhow, the main reason for this message was to say that i'm not going to respond to any the mails pro/against indie/major labels and using jeepster as an example. i cannot be bothered attempting to defend the company i work for, i've had enough of doing that in the past. i must also say that i don't one hundred percent agree with what david has just posted, but that i have decided (as i mentioned a little while ago) that i will only post to this list as me, katrina ann house, 23 year old, half aussie/half pom who just happens to be working for the record label of the band that she has fallen in love with. anything "official" that i need to say will be said on the jeepster news list and we are now going to unsub the sinister list from the news list, so if you wish to remain informed about jeepster and the bands on the label (including belle & sebastian news) then you must visit the jeepster web-site and subscribe yourself to the news list. http://www.jeepster.co.uk if you have any questions, just mail david at mailto:shop at jeepster.co.uk i hope this doesn't sound too bitchy or pissed off, i'm not trying to have a go or make life difficult for anyone or sound "holier than thou". i just feel i bit deflated as i spose i kind have taken personally some of the comments recently, i work (like most of you do i would assume) as hard as i can, because i believe in what the company i work for is doing and even though i know i should have a thick skin, it is hard sometimes to not feel like i'm being taken advantage of. so, that is the reasoning for making two katrina's, the music-loving silly little fan one of which you will read letters from (or not if i decide to be a lurker) on this list. did you know that if you have a swim in the moring you have to have an afternoon nap? or is that just 'cos i'm on holidays and i can? :) my parents are ace. and my brother, and my cat too. boy, it's great to be home. love, Katrina. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jbrent at xxx.ca Fri Dec 18 16:01:17 1998 From: jbrent at xxx.ca (Jason Brent) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:01:17 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Major Vs Indie! Message-ID: <367A7C4C.770D170E@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca> Happy Holidays to everyone!!! A quick word on the indie debate. Indie labels are just as capable of ripping off artists as majors!!! Several "INDIE" labels, including one whose motto is "fuck corporate rock", are notorious for not paying artists!!! As for the majors, alot of times when you hear of an artist being dropped by a label, it coincides with a turnover of staff at the label, and their supporters are no longer there to help them. Other times it simply comes down to economics! Any indie, or major cannot afford to put out albums that cost 10 times more to make, than they earn. Sometimes the bands are to blame for their extravagances. Creation dropped MBV, their top act, simply because they couldn't afford them! Not because they didn't care! I am neither a proponent of majors, or indies. They can both be evil at times. It just depends on whose the captain of the ship! To all the mighty cynics out there, its real easy to be critical of those out there doing it, while you sit in your parents basement!!! Later Jay +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 9804300O at xxx.uk Fri Dec 18 13:38:49 1998 From: 9804300O at xxx.uk (Steven O'Neill) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:38:49 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <2CDBE0C59BA@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> unsubscribe sinister +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rclander at xxx.net Fri Dec 18 14:53:44 1998 From: rclander at xxx.net (Richard Lander) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:53:44 +0800 Subject: Sinister: Baby News Message-ID: <01be2a96$3601c820$1bfd51ca@rclander.netfront.net> Our daughter Victoria Avalon was born on 12 December 1998 (weighing 7lbs 2oz or 3.2kg). I don't think she is the first 'Sinister' baby if memory serves me right but she is certainly the newest. I am bringing her & her mum home from hospital tomorrow and we were wondering if anyone had any suggestion as to which B&S track to play for her. we thought 'Fox in the snow'. Any other good ideas? You have until 22.45 GMT. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at Fri Dec 18 15:13:09 1998 From: Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at (Vanessa R. Siegl) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:13:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: :) *peace* Message-ID: <1C1D81F615B@s06user2.uibk.ac.at> >Lastly... It's bad enough people telling me I'm a worthless shit in >the real world without the trend continuing here. I never agreed >with all the people Hey don't worry I always enjoyed reading your stories :) love vanxxx _____________________________________________________ Forgive me for I have not sinned csaa7950 at uibk.ac.at _gapminder at yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gary at xxx.uk Fri Dec 18 18:21:22 1998 From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:21:22 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Oh Dear Message-ID: <000201be2ab3$372c1120$9751883e@whelan> Hi all, Now I simply refuse to believe that I'm the only one to have spotted this. I can't believe I've not noticed before. Has anyone else noticed the startling similarity between the track The Boy With the Arab Strap and that pop classic, Son of my Father by Chickory Tip ?. I can't be the only one surely, Sister Disco you must have spotted it, weren't you a roadie for the Tip briefly ?. Byesy Gary +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pag213 at xxx.edu Fri Dec 18 18:39:15 1998 From: pag213 at xxx.edu (Peter Greenspan) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:39:15 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Deception Message-ID: <367AA152.5AB46317@is7.nyu.edu> I bought "Sinister" about four weeks ago on a tip from a friend...I had never heard a word about this band before. Now I own everything that B & S has put out (I think). I played these for my roommate and we have come to the conclusion that this band is too good to be true. It's almost deceptive. Every song seems to be radically creative and brilliant (even songs like "Get Me Away From Here" which relies exclusively on a chord progression which has been used a thousand times.) There seems to be something so right about the chemistry, voice, melody, lyrics... Does anyone else fear that B & S is so good that something must be wrong? I don't mean this message as a joke..I'm serious. Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kleonard at xxx.edu Fri Dec 18 12:46:33 1998 From: kleonard at xxx.edu (Kirk Leonard) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:46:33 +1000 Subject: Sinister: Baby News In-Reply-To: <01be2a96$3601c820$1bfd51ca@rclander.netfront.net> Message-ID: At 10:53 PM +0800 12/18/98, Richard Lander wrote: > Our daughter Victoria Avalon was born on 12 December 1998 (weighing >7lbs >2oz or 3.2kg). I don't think she is the first 'Sinister' baby if >memory serves >me right but she is certainly the newest. I am bringing >her & her mum home >from hospital tomorrow and we were wondering if >anyone had any suggestion as >to which B&S track to play for her. we >thought 'Fox in the snow'. Any other >good ideas? You have until 22.45 >GMT. Um, ya missed the obvious one, homie: "You're Just a Baby"... -Kirk "you're just a baby, baby girl...." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From patrick.osborne at xxx.uk Fri Dec 18 19:50:45 1998 From: patrick.osborne at xxx.uk (Patrick Osborne) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:50:45 -0000 Subject: Sinister: chickfactor and elvis Message-ID: <199812182026.UAA05416@andromeda.hosts.netdirect.net.uk> This is my first posting to the list...I just thought I would join in the debate about the above two songs! Chickfactor: I think this is a great song, especially the lines "what's the worst job you've had?/what do you read?/what's driving you mad?", it's all those sort of questions that run through your mind when you're looking at the person you love and wanting to shake them to try and get inside their head somehow. Century of Elvis: This would have to be one of my least favourite B&S songs. I find it really precious, in particular the part about thinking his dad was Elvis and then saying "I haven't told my dad, either". That line always makes me cringe! Well, that was My Two Cents, for what it's worth! :-) Patrick +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dec at xxx.uk Fri Dec 18 20:31:49 1998 From: dec at xxx.uk (Declan McGurk) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:31:49 -0000 Subject: Sinister: top words Message-ID: <000001be2ac5$93a76e60$0a5c883e@m-gurk.freeserve.co.uk> so has anyone got any top words. y'know just, like, ace words that you can impress people with. (this was instigated by someone saying they loved a word and i cant remember it so this request is in vain hope that they might use it again) (and because some words are actually sorted). and, right, i suggest we all go and do our votes again on the jeepster page for the best and worst songs. and do our voting a little less generous ie for songs we do intensely hate give a 1 or 2 not a six or somet eg spaceboy dream = 1. please. it might sort this debate for once and for all.EVERYBODY GO DO YOUR VOTES AGAIN OK?! love you all, Dec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Philly1013 at xxx.com Fri Dec 18 16:12:13 1998 From: Philly1013 at xxx.com (Philly1013 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:12:13 EST Subject: Sinister: I like my Belle and Sebastian just the way they are, thank you. Message-ID: <28a7ef5e.367a7edd@aol.com> Dear List, Hmmm...I'm not sure where to begin. I guess the requisite "I hate the whole indie/major debate" could do, but it doesn't seem sufficient. Well, what's wrong with Belle and Sebastian, really? I can't find much to gripe about. I can't find much fault with Jeepster either, but I can't say I spend much time thinking about proper marketing strategies, record sales, or how to have Belle and Sebastian take over the world, for I hardly think myself worthy of any such matters. Sure, if they toured more extensively I probably wouldn't have had to travel several hundred miles from Montreal to Toronto only to have the show canceled (with good reason of course) on me. But that didn't bother me, I still had a lovely weekend away from the petty annoyances of being a University student. Would Belle and Sebastian be a chart topper if things were different? Possibly, but I doubt we'd have a lovely song like "the Gate" available to us. Yes, the song is exactly the sort of thing that would be pruned out for an extra buck or two, and yet if such were the case I'd be robbed of the song that's just about made my week of utter boredom (Which isn't to say that any of the other songs one the new EP aren't in their own rights fabulous, but "the Gate" just happened to be what I needed. Ask me my opinion in a month, a week, or tomorrow, and I could tell you differently). I have to say all this fuss over what Belle and Sebastian could or should be seems silly. Perhaps my take on this list is premature, but I thought the function was to serve to discuss what Belle and Sebastian are and mean to us. While it's fun to speculate and play let's-dress-up-as-a-record-executive, I can't help but think there are better to things to do with your time, like listening to one your copy of If You're Feeling Sinister again and remembering why you started to care in the first place for example. Oh, and for whoever it was who thought that music IS objective, needs to remember that there's a great difference between insight and incite. While acting out our polemic fantasies where people actually care to take such things seriously gets some people going, why don't we just leave people be in their own subjective worlds. I'll listen to what I like, you listen to what you do, and we'll leave the "objective" criticism to the bizarre group of ladies and gentlemen known as rock critics. As a new member to the list, I may be out of place saying what I just have, but I just felt I should say something. Thanks for listening, Phil +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eaws at xxx.com Fri Dec 18 17:10:08 1998 From: eaws at xxx.com (John) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:10:08 -0800 Subject: Sinister: The Gate - Cool Guitar Boy/Isobel - Amelia Message-ID: <30577145.1.190@mx1-11.onmedia.com> Anyone else noticed any similarities between "The Gate" and Heavenly's "Cool Guitar Boy" or i'm just being a hallucinating and too obsessed Heavenly fan? I didnt agree with this at first, when John Monroe(from Milwaukee, but of course..) brought it up(in the sinister chatroom) but after following his advise(i.e. playing the two songs back to back) the resemblance became clear to me. So, except their appearance which Lesley Jo mentioned, here's another similarity between Isobel and Amelia Fletcher, the way they sing(although Is it Wicked Not to Care? does not sound at all Amelia-esque) By the way, if anyone's interested, Marine Research are playing tonight on 10 pm, at the Dublin Castle, Camden Town(london apparently..) John +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The coolest site for free home pages, email, chat, e-cards, movie info.. | | http://www.goplay.com - it's time to Go Play! | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Snowinsumr at xxx.com Fri Dec 18 18:46:37 1998 From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:46:37 EST Subject: Sinister: Deception Message-ID: <42f8a425.367aa30d@aol.com> At 98-12-18 13:39:10 EST Peter Wrote... >>Does anyone else fear that B & S is so good that something must be wrong?<< i couldn't have put it better myself...when i found the smiths i thought that the world could end in the nighttime or the daytime and it wouldn't matter because of the passion and the poetry they filled every waking moment with...and then these little sweethearts called belle and sebastian come along and steal every minute of attention from their older siblings (the smiths) like a newborn child or a kitten...i can't get them out of my cd player...i am vainly trying to find a copy of TigerMilk so my collection will be complete...they are corrupting my thought process in the best way possible! all i want to do is stay home everyday and analyze the brilliantly clever lyrics and read the little stories they write... megan elise +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Babywitch7 at xxx.com Fri Dec 18 20:18:58 1998 From: Babywitch7 at xxx.com (Babywitch7 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:18:58 EST Subject: Sinister: set list nyc 11/1/98 Message-ID: does anyone have the set list from the nv 1 1998 show at the supper club in new york city? i have been looking for it and have had no luck. i was at the show, and a friend asked for the set list, but i couldnt remember it. thank you much. love kmg +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Fri Dec 18 22:39:01 1998 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:39:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: happy fluffy bunnies scurrying in the field Message-ID: today has been somewhat busy, as have the days before it. tomorrow i get on the plane for moscow, flying to visit my family something like santa claus, as my relatives have laden me with gifts for others that displace my clothing a bit. but i'll get to see realminky tomorrow (please refer to the mummy page, off the picture page) and sleep for long amounts of time and read and be lazy and whatnot. which i haven't really had a chance to do properly in a little while. i've been out all morning and afternoon, shopping and looking at stores and picking up my visa and whatnot. i went to fao schwartz and saw the giant furby, rach and beth can both drool over that one for a bit. ;) uptown it's nice, people seem nicer and busy and bustling around and there are lovely decorations everywhere. downtown, we're too cool for that nonesense, or something liek that cause it's fairly bare, except for those horrible santas that wiggle their little animatronic butts. they disturb me, what sort of message is taht supposed to give to children? a bad one i can only assume. sigh. anyway, there is no particular point. this list is about discussing a band we love. everyone likes different songs best or whatnot, it's interesting but doesn't really mark some sort of international conspiracy or anything. it just means that the sort of person who uses the voting booth is more likely to be the sort of person who likes whatever song is #1 right now best. and it's been one of many things, so i shouldn't worry about it too much. and for a newcomer, mr. phil "philly" is pretty much right on. it's for talking about the band, and our lives when the two intertwine in some ways. most people who write write with humor, sometimes with naivite, sometimes with b.o. (though luckily we're unaware of those) and most often with their heart held out to us in some way shape or form, basically asking to be accepted. we used to do that unconditionally, before fly-by-nights began coming in and basically insulting the makeup of the list before running back to wherever they came from. so i guess what i'm saying is that there are some new people who are sweet and docile and lovely, please don't feel hurt if we don't adore you immediately, it takes time to fall in love. and older list people will begin to notice your wit and sweetness, but remember that we've had some disappointments in the past. and just because a lot of us have met in real life doesn't mean that we're a clique, or that we don't want to meet you. i'm sorry if i'm speaking for too many people, i should only be speaking for myself. i just want happy bunnies to hum happy bunny tunes. in fact, doesn't all the dissent stem from the loss of the beloved sig line? paul, make it come back, make it come back!!!! xoxoxoxoxo (shivery hugs and ice kisses) megan mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu visit the magnetic fields web page at: http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rclander at xxx.net Fri Dec 18 23:04:49 1998 From: rclander at xxx.net (Richard Lander) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 07:04:49 +0800 Subject: Sinister: Music for Victoria Avalon Message-ID: <01be2ada$d074b860$0ffd51ca@rclander.netfront.net> The clock has ticked round to 22.45 according to the BBC World Service. Firstly let me say a very heartfelt thank you for all the expressions of congratulations and best wishes that I have received. It has really restored my faith in this list after all the troubles over the last few weeks here. It has to be 'Fox in the snow' and on the whole you agree. Kirk we will play her 'Youre Just a Baby' too. The Field Mice idea I like as well especially we have just got their compilation from Parasol Records. SE. She is a winter baby you are quite right, although not wintry here. Strangely enough we live in Hong Kong, China as some long time subscribers know. I will mail you privately later. Damn. Its raining here so I will have to take an umbrella when I walk to the ferry. Thanks to all of you once again. Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kellym at xxx.com> Sat Dec 19 00:29:23 1998 From: kellym at xxx.com> (kellym at xxx.com>) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:29:23 -0800 Subject: Sinister: three cheers for little baby jesus Message-ID: <199812190031.QAA18996@macbeth.ienet.com> hurrah. two weeks vacation, presents from co-workers (a martini shaker thing, a book on making mixed drinks and some 'sensual body oil... haha), a trip to london and a very drunken christmas party complete with me doing the rumpshaker with vicki in accounting, this christmas shit is great. of course, we all have to remember, that the holiday isn't about materialism and consumerism and all those things, its about celebrating the birth of my lord and saviour, my sheperd, Jesus Christ almighty. um... wait a second. nevermind. i thought i was someone else there for a second. um, so yeah, gifts and all that shit, its ace. i've finally found a place to stay in london. its near the paddington tube stop. its not gonna be pretty but i'm pretty sure that it beats living on the street for a week. so yeah. hurrah me. once again, i will be there from the 26th to the 1st of December/Jan. I plan on drinking a lot, wandering the streets and maybe smoking a little crack. that's about it. la la la. ok, i'm gonna head home now and figure something out. -kelly ryan mcguire "Is he truly sorted, sort of sorted or just plain assorted? It always takes so long to find out, doesn't it?" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From escossia at xxx.br Sat Dec 19 00:29:04 1998 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:29:04 -0200 Subject: Sinister: I like my Belle and Sebastian just the way they are. Message-ID: <01be2ae6$94eda700$0100007f@localhost> Philly1013 at aol.com wrote: >Possibly, but I doubt we'd have a lovely song like "the Gate" >available to us. Yes, the song is exactly the sort of thing that would be >pruned out for an extra buck or two, and yet if such were the case I'd be >robbed of the song that's just about made my week of utter boredom (Which >isn't to say that any of the other songs one the new EP aren't in their own >rights fabulous, but "the Gate" just happened to be what I needed. Thanks Philly I agree with you. well..almost ! I got TIJAMRS today. and i can't understand why SO MANY listeeees did not like THE GATE. Can we go back to the subject cause i've got the Ep Now ? I am joking. of course, "I Know Where The Summer Goes" is the best song on this wonderful Ep. It reminds the day i got *..... sinister*. Megan Elise wrote: >i couldn't have put it better myself...when i found the smiths i thought that >the world could end in the nighttime or the daytime and it wouldn't matter >because of the passion and the poetry they filled every waking moment >with...and then these little sweethearts called belle and sebastian come along >and steal every minute of attention from their older siblings (the smiths) >like a newborn child or a kitten...i can't get them out of my cd player... >all i want to do is stay home everyday and analyze the brilliantly clever >lyrics and read the little stories they write... Would you like to marry me ? I am joking again, but ..... This was the best mail i read here in the past days. lovely, simple AND ..with passion. ALL WE NEED IS PASSION. Ivo A P Escossia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lonelyhighway at xxx.com Sat Dec 19 05:09:38 1998 From: lonelyhighway at xxx.com (Corpora Arenacea) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:09:38 PST Subject: Sinister: Runaround Jue Message-ID: <19981219050938.19513.qmail@hotmail.com> To all the people I was going to see and meet in England: Ummm. Change of plans. I have to go to Israel. My grandmother got hit by a bus riding on her Vespa. In the cruelest of synchronicities: Right before I found that out I drove home thinking, "I should post about how great Rollercoaster Ride is, I never liked it before, but it's long and it makes me drive slower." Got home, checked my mail and found a note racking on RR, and my dad called me to tell me about the accident. Then I had to study, badly, in a panic. In fact, as we speak (well, as I write)I'm probably missing your meet-up. Siiiiiigh. Hope you're all enjoying yourselves. Special thanks to Herr Trou for offering up a futon. Someday soon. I will laugh right in the face of the poison moon. -Eran In my TV: "Motley Crue: Behind the Music". Hey, at the height of grungemania I e-corresponded with Nikki Sixx for about two years. Can't say I'm really fan, doe. Anyone know how to umlaut on a PC? ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From csomeone at xxx.com Sat Dec 19 07:16:25 1998 From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:16:25 PST Subject: Sinister: beware: depressing and may ruin your health: Message-ID: <19981219071625.17926.qmail@hotmail.com> hello everyone I haven't talked in a while but i'm still listening. Lately I've turned on to France Gall and sprinkle my mix tapes with her songs ( and B&S songs), and Ballet Shoes was one of my favorite books when I was a kid, I'd read it in the bath tub; it got soaked once and I tried to dry the pages ... now it's all taped up, beyond dogeared. I really wanted to say, that this world is falling apart and I've noticed that no one is talking about it. With my friends I've talked, but not on the list, not at work, why is that? It's apocalyptic. I don't mean like just getting out of bed and somehow not knowing where you are... I mean, Clinton, and the land mines of Bosnia, and the bombings in iraq. Why is it that America doesn't have a day of reverence for those they've killed in other countries, why is it that this whole impeachment thing just might not happen if we got over this party system, this system there purely to funnel power to few, and most importantly to make a lot of money... I have a friend who wants to work on the 10,000 year clock that eno and some others are putting together. A clock built to run for 10,000 years, and then stop. anybody, from any culture which may find it maybe 10,000 years after it stops, could start it again. the technology, beyond digital. The next great wonder of the world. With hope like that, to see beyond the year 2000... what makes us think we've run out of future. here's a theory. the reason why we haven't found life on other planets is because the time life is capable on a planet is so brief, in comparison with the length of time the universe has endured, it would be uncommon to find life on another planet. Cynthia ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Sat Dec 19 12:05:03 1998 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:05:03 +0000 (BST) Subject: Sinister: I have let London down this time Message-ID: Dear list : I had a sort of difficult day today, full of financial problems, as my scholarship cheque had been lost by the porters in our department (?)and took me several hours to find it all around the building. So, because of that fact and other ones I am not going to tell because I don't want to kill someone with boredom ,I had quit to attend the Poetry Cafe Chritmas Social.But when my cheque turned up , I thought it was still a quarter to five and maybe I had a chance to go...I went to the station and arrived in time to catch a train which had left in St Pancras at 19:30,not too bad, but if I got the ticket , I felt then my collaboration with the decay of British not-public-anymore transport was going to far just because of a late caprice and my financial troubles were due to start again, so came back home and watched Top of the Pops, wishing next Christmas Stuart, Isobel and above them all, Chris (I think Chris sex symbol side has been underrated in this list) will take the Pops' set by a surprise attack and no more groups of 3,4,5 girls in a row will give such me a stomach pain with their similar but not equal outfits and their sticky,slushy,cheesy songs all sounding the same. I will pray Santa and all the rest of the saints for that.If someone wants to help me... Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mew817 at xxx.com Sat Dec 19 04:25:56 1998 From: Mew817 at xxx.com (Mew817 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:25:56 EST Subject: Sinister: happy fluffy bunnies scurrying in the field Message-ID: <5a441b8f.367b2ad4@aol.com> Hi everyone, This is the lurking megan who has come out of hiding. By the way, I've decided to go by my initials, mew, so as not to be confusing. And besides, (Magnetic) Megan is the original! And now I'm going to respond to a wee bit of her post: > i just want happy bunnies to > hum happy bunny tunes. I agree, that's what I want too! What's with all the mean stuff on the list lately? Maybe it's because it's the holidays and people are grouchy because they did not finish their shopping, that they have to spend time with weird relatives, that they've got the flu or a cold.... I don't know, it's just kinda sad. I don't really want to get into the whole "indie/ majors" thing, but I do want to say that I think that David has some good points and I can say that confidently from experience. It makes me sad that David and Katrina are upset (or seem to be). I think it's cool how involved they are. I mean, they do seem to care about all of us Sinisterines and they seem like genuinely sweet, nice people. It seems to me that above all, they are fans of B&S too. I don't want you guys to think that I'm kissing ass or anything, I just know how it must feel for them to hear all kinds of crap about Jeepster. I once worked for an independent label and I was a fan and would defend it to the end. Believe me, people did say stuff about that label and it sucks to hear that when you know it's not true. Sorry for going on so long about this... Ok, now that I've got that out of my system, I'm gonna go snuggle up in bed! Sweet dreams and Happy Holidays! mew x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Sat Dec 19 14:20:38 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:20:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: We All Live in a Melting Submarine! Message-ID: <01be2b5a$c07e3460$LocalHost@itjfvkli> The list without Keith is like "On The Buses" without Olive, or "Get On Board With The Double Deckers" without Lenny Kravitz - almost unthinkable! I hope Northy's good old asshole will hold out, as Allen Ginsberg once said. I'm disappointed that we haven't received a deluge of over-excited ink polaroids from last night's festivities at London's notorious Po Caff. I can only assume that you're all hungover, like the cardie nibbling ninnies you undoubtedly are. Who was rude about Polly Jean? I love and respect her AND Hilda Baker - oooh oooh oooh honey! Must do a websearch for Arthur Mullard. Yesterday I was confronted by a naked man bending over and pulling his buttocks apart to reveal his hairy anus, which had a childish spider's web crayoned around it! Unfortunately, it was only a photograph, but it was good anyway. It formed part of an x-rated exhibition of modern art, which I stumbled upon in the bowels of the public library. I don't know, you artists today seem to think that you can get away with anything, regardless of public decency! Is this what we pay our taxes for? Thank goodness we have "The Gate" to uphold moral standards. As for Master Murdoch's mastery of the female psyche, I think it's a load of Jiminey Cricket. Apparently Tolstoy used to get loads of letters from birds who thought he understood their problems too. Mike Oldfield's probably equally on the ball, he just doesn't go on about it much. I don't think there's much difference between Stuart's lyrics and those of Phil Lynott, to name but one example. All right, perhaps I'm exaggerating a little bit, but at least it's on topic. One of the 467 reasons I like "Slow Graffiti" is beacuse it is the work of a fully matured artist, ripe for plucking and putting in a marvellous pop fruit pie of record-breaking dimensions, and it's about a boy. I like the ones about girls too though. Now you can see why I usually steer clear of this kind of thing. That bit about some boy's jumper is one of my favourite B&S lyrics, and the jogging bottoms that smell of pollen go down well too. "You Made Me Forget My Dreams" is my most hummed B&S tune, except the freaky bit at the end. Katrina Ann House, resubscribe us all to the Jeepster news list immediately, or I shall be forced to make diddy-dum-dum noises with my ruby red lips and little white hands. We all love Jeepster, and anyone who implies otherwise is simply pulling your leg. We all know you fancy the bloke out of Snow Patrol and that's why you're sulking. Tolstoy used to get loads of stick too, you know, and he lived to have a ripe old beard. By the way, my mate fancies you. Honest. Gary, you've caught me out, I'm afraid. I've never heard Chicory Tip, but I believe gnome expert JJ pointed out the similarity a few weeks / months ago. Sister Disco PS: China beat Thailand at football. PPS: Zorionak back +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Sat Dec 19 15:25:06 1998 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:25:06 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: immortal beloved Message-ID: peter wrote, endearingly: ****** Does anyone else fear that B & S is so good that something must be wrong? ****** This is brilliant. Especially with all the narkiness on the list lately, and then someone goes and reminds us all what we're here for. Something IS wrong - B&S are clearly angels disguised as (admittedly pretty angelic) humans. Their mission is to communicate the divine music of the heavenly spheres to us mortals, though why we deserve it I don't know. This would explain everything. I listened to TBWTAS in bed last night (for the first time in a while what with TEAJAMMERS) and it made me so happy that I could hardly stop myself from getting up, throwing on some clothes and running into the street (or at least my housemate's bedroom) to shout 'This band are so bloody wonderful that I can barely breathe when I listen to them. Buy everything they've done NOW!' And at the same time it was a kind of sad happiness, because there's such beauty in the world at the same time as such horribleness. I don't want to be at war, but no-one asked me. I'm unsubbing for Christmas on Monday. I hope I'll be back. To steal from the Duke: keep the faith. Luv Archel ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth rap101 at york.ac.uk http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We're the younger generation, we grew up fast. All the others did drugs, they're taking it out on us." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bkim0 at xxx.edu Sat Dec 19 16:08:39 1998 From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:08:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Out of curiosity...any musicians in Philadelphia? Message-ID: <199812191608.LAA31344@dept.english.upenn.edu> Sorry to be so off-topic, but I'm curious if there are any musicians here on Sinister that also reside in Philadelphia that might be interested in "jamming"...and when I say that I don't mean trade off solos, but rather make some nice melodic hushed pop that isn't exactly like B&S (why try?) but at the very least in that vein. If so, e-mail me please! The "pop musician" community here seems to have dwindled down to single digits....* Sorry to the non-musicians, you just have to understand that it gets a little lonely when it seems like very few people would listen to the same things that you do, much less play an instrument. Seems like in Glasgow you couldn't throw a rock without hitting someone like this! Lucky bastards.:) I just want to make some music, is that so wrong. Xavier -- BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0 at dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alex at xxx.nl Sat Dec 19 16:24:58 1998 From: alex at xxx.nl (alex tobin) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:24:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: precocious rock critic? moi?!! Message-ID: <367BD35A.AA4A0A1E@tobin.demon.nl> hmm, well phil, this is just to salvage that little faith people have in rock critics... as a so-called... erm... 'rock critic', i know many colleagues that receive albums about an hour before the deadline, only get a chance to listen to it once and have to deliver a review... a personal experience of mine relates to listening to rem's 'automatic for the people' years ago and hating it, thinking the songs were drab, boring, and tuneless (yes, i await a bombardment of mail telling me that indeed the songs are drab, boring, and tuneless and that rem is crap). but after those first five listens, it started growing and growing on me... after ten listens, i loved it. now the album is one of my faves (sorry for those offended that rem is on a major! silly twats!). lesson: always beware! if i like an album instantly and the songs are catchy right off the mark, i'll probably learn to despise it very quickly. many excellent records are 'difficult' and take a few spins to work their magic. and who knows? - maybe one day 'the gate' will be heralded as a classic. you know, one of those songs enclosed in a wee capsule on the moon... nah! doubt it. your 'rock critic' and b&s fan (an anomaly?) alex p.s. as i've plugged before, for those german-speakers, there's a lengthy 'rock critique' of the boy with the arab strap (stop those bloody abbreviations!) on my page... ----------------------------------------------------------- alex tobin pater romboutslaan 14 6419 be heerlen the netherlands phone +31.45.5711883 fax +31.46.443.3937 mobile +31.6.50603533 e-mail alex at tobin.demon.nl webpage http://www.tobin.demon.nl +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Sat Dec 19 17:55:01 1998 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:55:01 -0500 Subject: Sinister: An ink polaroid involving PRINCE! Message-ID: <367BE875.6EF63061@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Yes, yes, yes, I thought, since someone was complaining for lack of content involving that "short twat" Prince, I'd share an ink polaroid from a couple of nights ago... Well I had gone over to my friend Latelle's house. Latelle must be in his 30's now, but he was a DJ in college in the 80's, and he has a room filled to the brim with records. I'm sitting there on the left, with the cardigan and glasses, and Latelle is the jolly-looking bearded fellow in shorts. Most of the picture is made up of hundreds, possibly more than a couple thousand records. They spill out of their snug spaces in the wall and into even piles on the floor, placed in an organized, if haphazard fashion. Upon a part of the wall which descends from the ceiling, there are a couple of singles tacked up there. A The The record, something from the Undertones, an old Rolling Stones 45. In the right corner, behind Latelle there is a shelf with 6 or 7 gracefully aging turntables, some hiding inside of their respective nooks and crannies. If you squint, you can just make out a couple other pieces of stereo paraphenalia, and the odd CD lying about carelessly. You probably can't make out that the platter on the turntable is spinning, but the tonearm is down, so you can assume that something is playing. At the moment this was taken, Latelle and I seem to have burst into a fit of burbling laughter, and my eyes are closed and my mouth is unattractively gaping open, while Latelle is laughing a bit more gracefully and clutching his belly. The record playing is indeed a Tom Jones 12" single from back in the 80's some time. The 12" is actually some other group, and only features Tom Jones' vocal stylings. They are covering Prince's "Kiss." I'll go ahead and do another one of these, as it's fun... This one is taken from behind Latelle and I. You can make out our backs and hair quite well. There is a tower of cassette tapes of enormous height and breadth. It appears to be built into the wall, some 2 meters high and 4 or 5 across. Spaced throughout in surgically precise alphabetical order are an army of cassettes, all with intricately hand-made names on the spine, often spattered in a bit of paint. Latelle's hand is extended and he is removing a cassette whose spine is entirely black, with the words Durutti Column spelled out in white. I am already holding a precariously balanced stack of some 4 or 5 tapes, while gingerly preparing for the addition of one more. I found that Latelle is rather a large Smiths fan, and he also has quite a fondness for Felt, the Go-Betweens, and Orange Juice, so next visit I'm going to bring him something of B&S', as he's never heard them. Perhaps my next conversion is afoot! /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - bp224995 at ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | - Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mphintz at xxx.com Sun Dec 20 01:48:56 1998 From: Mphintz at xxx.com (Mphintz at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:48:56 EST Subject: Sinister: something beginning with "S" Message-ID: <291c09e5.367c5788@aol.com> It's been a while, hasn't it? I have been here all along, sitting in the back of the room sipping my tea. I was waiting to speak in turn, but no one asked me. Speaking out of turn isn't rude; it's um... shyness liberation. The NYC Sinister meetup last week went well; some new faces turned up. (Though it would have been nice to seem some more of the older ones too). I thought I was catching a cold that evening so I attempted to cure it with paella, sangria, gin and tonic, and cigarettes. Oddly, all of that "medicine" did not do much, and I just became more ill. Perhaps the "feed a cold"-adage means that I should drink rum and cokes and eat couscous and chocolates. (Don't ask the cats for health advice; they just want to keep you at home to be their slave). <> I too was a bit "ho-hum" about it, perhaps due to already having two of the songs on tape of over a year. But, I couldn't sleep the other night and sat at the computer, with only the screen for light to avoid disturbing my roommate. I was listening to the ep on my discman, and then, in the middle of the night, it all made sense. Listen to the opening bass notes in "Modern Rock Song," or the cello line in "Slow Graffiti". The music can't do it all for you; you have to give something back in return. I have also been a bit disturbed with frighteningly obsessive love of Belle and Sebastian on the list lately. As much as the band mean to me personally, it is just a band at the end of the day. Taking the music at face value won't lead to much; a little thinking and a critical eye are important. I hate to say it, but if the band were to go lardy or lame, I would have to drop them (though I doubt I could do it straight away). Let's not rest on our laurels. The band, including Isobel, are regular people, no better or worse than anyone else. <> Funny thing is that some people still believe and have faith in what they produce. Money and fame would be nice, but a clear conscience and sleeping well at night are still more important to some. That Stu M. and the band have been able to achieve their success on their own terms is a testament to this. Guilty feet have no rhythm, I have heard. Living and loving Matthew +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Sun Dec 20 01:59:06 1998 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:59:06 PST Subject: Sinister: we'll have a good time baby,don't you worry Message-ID: <19981220015907.23304.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear dear List, I'm not gone...I'm still here! I still post! just sometimes one get discouraged with not-so-nice personal mails put you off on what you thought was a bundle of sweetness but anyways.. so lots arugments yes? where did this anti-jeepster thing start? i think jeepster are great...they are so nice and warm..when you get a package it's like 'David Kitchen was your Jeepster person' or something,it's all friendly..i mean, DUH they make money,we all make money or try to,one's got to survive yes? i mean,unless you were a hermit that swore off all materialistic things ..but even then you'd have to barter i suppose,for wheat and barley? it's the mass consumption i can't stand..but then you can go too far to the extreme as well,denying yourself everything...we've all got to survive and yesss there are going to be evil evil evil people that crush all others in order to do so,but come on..sweet jeepster! i'm glad my money goes to them and belle and sebastian..it could go to a lot worse people, i bought the new ep (13.97! wow! usually like 20 something round these parts) so i hope that money will buy stuart murdoch a deserved christmas present,maybe a terry bathrobe he can wrap himself up in and sip hot coco in. ahh,but sometimes these arguments jsut go round in a circle yeah? it's like the bad song/good song thing and "oh pooh on you! it's a good song and you know it!" hee hee i'm suddenly becoming interested into those scottish stores...i asked my mother if there was a murdoch tartan,and she said maybe he belonged to a clan or something.. mmm a clan! a clan of stuarts. ahhh sweet lesley jo don't worry! there is genevieve and there is lesley jo,it's ow you say? 'all good'...and i know exactly what you mean about 'sad popstar obsessions' (maybe one day we can go search for them together,try and get on that mystical belle and sebastian shagon-wagon) but you're lucky! your isobel crush sounds cute and lovely,but isobel is just another person to me...now mister stuart david (Sex In A Can!)haunts me with his seductive ways that's different..say i'd go i like to see mister david in a school uniform (hairy legs! rrrrr) singing "tonights the night were gonna make it happen,tonight we'll put all other things aside,were going for those pleasures in the night,i want to love you,feel you,wrap myself around you,i want to squeeze you,please you,i just can't get enough,and if you move real slow,i'll let it go,I'm So Excited! And I just can't hide it..i'm about to lose control and i think i like it..." (how many times have i mentioned this song with stuarts david and murdoch? oh dear..sad) anyways,people don't go 'oh,how cute!' like they would with isobel..why? i wonder this. oh tag,peter miller,john warrander and keith you're really all so wonderful,your kind words make me love sinister even more despite...(so there's some girl group going on here is there? can i join the boy group? i want to dance dance sequences with keith,in lyrca bodysuits )... a group hug moment,but i'm too manly and tough. that's right...how come people don't congratulate me on my write-like-a-woman abilities?like how they do cause stuart murodoch can write like a woman? for fooks sake,he can't even grow FACIAL HAIR..(so it's not so difficult for him to be girly is it!)...and,i,Hank try to so hard to write touching and sensitive vignettes from the view point of a girl. sigh >Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:58:46 +0700 >From: oon >Subject: Sinister: To shit or Not to shit actually i'm not to >comment on that, just feel like saying shit a few >times today. oon,this was really funny! i couldn't imagine you saying bad words,it has more effect. >change topic. someone challenged stuart m to box >sometime ago. must be susannah. if he ever accepts >the challenge, i'd like to offer myself as organizer >of this spectacular event. i know a bar with a >boxing ring. not bad idea really. wouldn't you rather >watch people kick, elbow, smack each other to death >than striptease? or maybe they fight naked, another >good idea! good ideas! yes! i'd like to box with stuart murdoch or david..or mick or chris,or richard or stevie..no sissy fighting,(no hair pulling!) a real man man fight... sniff..i wave my handkercheif along side the train as more depart, love Genevieve Father Keith is my hero (aieee cool dude!) does this mean no more arse no more drink no more feck atmosphere?.... bye bye ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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You have just received an animated greeting card from Kin Woo You can pick up your personal greeting by connecting to the following WWW Address http://www3.bluemountain.com/cards/box3833y/bas7xynzckwhzc.htm (Your greeting card will be available for the next 60 days) This service is FREE! :) HAVE a good day and have fun! ____________________________________________________________ Accessing your card indicates your agreement with our Website Rules posted at the bottom of the following Web location: (You're welcome to send a free card to someone at this location) http://www3.bluemountain.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ooon at xxx.th Sun Dec 20 14:45:01 1998 From: ooon at xxx.th (oon) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:45:01 +0700 Subject: Sinister: re:we'll have a good time baby,don't you worry Message-ID: <367D0D6C.402C34DC@samart.co.th> dear list, this is a lovely weekend, even if winter seems to have left us already. lovely mainly because of lovely food. but now sunday is not so lovely. how sad to see keith leaving. and this... Genevieve Wesley wrote: > I'm not gone...I'm still here! I still post! just sometimes one get > discouraged with not-so-nice personal mails put you off on what you > thought was a bundle of sweetness but anyways.. genevieve, people who said not-so-nice things to you are those who obviously never get christmas present ever in their lifetime. papa noel ignores them and so should you, please. how my mailbox feels so empty without your grace. please don't let any dark force keep you away! >..... ...now mister stuart david (Sex In A > Can!)haunts me with his seductive ways that's different..say i'd go i > like to see mister david in a school uniform (hairy legs! rrrrr) .....snip.... > anyways,people don't go 'oh,how cute!' like they would with isobel..why? > i wonder this. they'd be too busy trembling + drooling of course. probably screaming 'Legs of Sex!' if they're a big enough fan. that's what i would do anyway if i ever see mr.Sex In A Can in that outfit. huhuhuh well, with making song like slow graffiti they can all go wearing only fluffy bunny ears while playing on stage. i won't see any problem with that at all. > ...and,i,Hank try to so hard to write touching and > sensitive vignettes from the view point of a > girl. sigh hank/genevieve whoever you are, heaven bless you! > oon,this was really funny! i couldn't imagine you saying bad words,it > has more effect. oh i'm just practising. it's a bloody good method to improving my english i believe. and of course, i'd be happy to arrange boxing match for you and any partner of your choice anytime. a few days ago, mr.miller wrote about the girl in my card, for the record, she's half bird half angel. that's why she doesn't wear any top. as she's an angel, avert your eyes if you can help it please. you can still look at those birdythings' nipples if you like. he also wrote; > PS: China beat Thailand at football. > PPS: Zorionak back Kuwait also beat Thailand at football a few days before China. i just deliberately forgot to mention that. we're beaten by too many teams it's easier to just remember the one we beat. heaven bless Thailand. what is Zorionak peter?? is this some sort of code? like keith's? i try to read it backward. doesn't work. another record, mr.lander just kindly informed me that in Hong Kong my Doraemon is known as 'Ding Dong'. heaven bless Ding Dong too. a-ding-a-ling, oon xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Sun Dec 20 17:54:20 1998 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:54:20 PST Subject: Sinister: at the gate,he'll wait,in a pair of bunny ears Message-ID: <19981220175421.3609.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi! (again) ok..i guess i should talk a little proper about the ep now that i've gotten Mister Sex In A Can out of the way...oh Oon,I'm so happy you agree...'trembling and drooling' for SURE! we could be like the pair in gunsmith cats ( a manga comic), gunstore owners by day,bounty hunters at night driving cobras in search of mister legs of sex wearing only bunny ears,because he's been bad,mixed up in the sinister murder mystery over one of the strippers he works with at the Happy Bunnies Hop and he's got a bounty on him and we have to straighten him out...but umm enough belle n sebastian have coated my heart with honey goo,when i was in the store..there was that magnetic fields album everyone swears by,and i had enough money to get it..but i couldn't bear the thought of someone else snatching up the ep,by the way everyone was talking,i was bracing myself for the gate to be stuart murdoch braying like a mule with mister legs o sex slapping out an accompanying rhythm on his bum, but it's not that bad! it's not my favourite but i always find my favourite b&s songs are always with boys on lead vocals. misunderstood bit: 'which i relent' ! seriously..i always thought it was 'with cherry lint' like some sort of scottish vegetable or something. anyways, i for one like to spread out my b&s albums and eps on the floor,because it looks so great...i think they look so nice all together,a delicious medley for the eyes..it's like collecting special postcards or something,and now we have the orange addition...we defintiley need a nice blue or lavender coloured one next,with stuart david on the cover and the title would be like one of those cute names they give the girls,you know like with Lazy Line Painter Jane..something like Sloppy Stiched Stuart..and a story on the back! i miss the stories..i used to always read them out to my mother,who would roll her eyes "why must they be so depressing,genevieve?" haaa i thought there would be some holiday party tales on here? there better be some interesting stories about new years...i think this year is almost more interesting,because it's the last...99..in Wakefield,Quebec 'funkster disco madmen the hammerheads play wakefield's black sheep inn alon with surf/instrumental masters polaris...paul symes says the the last time they played new year's eve ,"the whole place was vibrating" ' hmmm,maybe i'll just go sit up top a mountain or something,it's lots of fun now that we have SNOW! SNOW! SNOW! mmmmm Krazy Karpeting time,i think so. oh and Pete (OLDSCHREC at aol.com) thanks for the nice words about the youth movement thing,it's always good to be hopeful,yes? i feel like i could tons more about it all,but i don't know..christmas time makes you just want to go out and roll in the snow in santa knee socks and rest your worrying thoughts :) xxxgenevieve ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com Sun Dec 20 18:16:22 1998 From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:16:22 EST Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V2 #571 Message-ID: In a message dated 12/20/98 11:58:00 AM, you wrote: <> Thanks Genevieve. I contribute when I can when a post such as yours moves me enough to do so. Yes, Xmas or T-Rexmas as I've always known it is an emotional time. Still waiting for the snow to arrive here for me to start rolling in. For now, I'll have to settle for listens to my Field Mice comp, the new B&S ep, various Zoviet France old lps I'm checking out again and wrap some presents for the family. No worrying on this end. Just a lot of love and hope and sex and dreams. Pete G. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From PSchieting at xxx.com Sun Dec 20 21:44:06 1998 From: PSchieting at xxx.com (PSchieting at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:44:06 EST Subject: Sinister: "Friends applaud, the great comedy is over." Message-ID: Greetings to all, There are some things I'd like to comment on just because I don't write to the list much, and now seems like a good time (I'm excited..Igot accepted to the University of Michigan in the great town of Ann Arbor, Michigan the other day.) I must agree with the guy that said something about the obsessiveness directed towards Belle and Sebastian. They are definitely "just" a great great band. Two years ago, I was really into the Pixies. I think that i am more into Belle and Sebastian now than I was with the pixies in the peak of my interest with them. I love listening to their music and that is aobut as simple as I can put it. I also really enjoy bands like Olivia Tremor Control, Neutral Milk Hotel, Apples in Stereo (all of Elephant 6), Yo la Tengo, Guided by Voices, Palace, Stereolab, godspeed you blakc emperor!, tindersticks, pavement, modest mosue, sonic youth, my bloody valentine, and others. I have a comment about Isobel Campbell too. She is absolutely amazing, you know. And she plays her instruments well. I'm going to Ohio next week for my break from high school to visit old friends with very similar musical interests so it sohuld be a festive weekend. A celebration. in closing, it's nice to have something to write about, and thank you for your time. Sincerely, John M. Schietinger +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ajduric at xxx.com Sun Dec 20 21:50:26 1998 From: ajduric at xxx.com (Alexandra Duric) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:50:26 PST Subject: No subject Message-ID: <19981220215026.12699.qmail@hotmail.com> 'lo listees, I'm happy to see that everyone's in a better mood - I might be if I wasn't nursing a red wine hangover from a tree trimming party we threw last night for all of our friends. Imagine passing out before midnight at your own party! uh, yea, a bit embarrassing, but I woke up to the utterly lovely sounds of my friend Chris playing violin with a couple of others on guitar in my living room. Big SIGH! Our tree topper is this fantastic gift that two of my friends, who were the only other real Belle & Sebastian fans there, besides my flatmate and myself, but they put three coloured 7 inches together, sort of in a mickey mouse face shape. It's the topper of the century! So please, feel free to borrow the idea - I wish I'd thought of it. Just don't use any 7 inches you really like or can't find. Maybe Screaming Trees would work. But then, I wouldn't want to know they had the place of honour on my tree. Hmm, now that's a dilemma... We played the new ep on our show on Friday and the only songs which strike me (i.e. i still remembered them after first listen :_>) were This is Just a Modern Rock Song and Slow Graffitti. I don't quite know what to think about the other two. Isobel is OK as a vocalist, really. But to whomever keeps comparing her to Heavenly, I'm sorry, but I DISAGREE!! No one does Heavenly but Amelia! And "Cool Guitar Boy" is one of my favourites... I don't hear it at all when I listen to Isobel, whose singing ability reminds me more of Nico - sort of unsure, except, um, Nico doesn't really sqeak. Please, no don't slam me with claims of B&S or Velvet Underground blasphemy! And can I say that this shortening of EP titles and song titles is driving me MAD!! Who started it?! merry, merry to everyone... Alexandra ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Mon Dec 21 02:48:04 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:48:04 -0800 Subject: Sinister: taking it out on us Message-ID: <001a01be2c8c$56aeea60$5011020a@rebelstrange> SOMEMONE sez-- ave also been a bit disturbed with frighteningly obsessive love of Belle and Sebastian on the list lately. As much as the band mean to me personally, it is just a band at the end of the day. Taking the music at face value won't lead to much; a little thinking and a critical eye are important. I hate to say it, but if the band were to go lardy or lame, I would have to drop them (though I doubt I could do it straight away). Let's not rest on our laurels. The band, including Isobel, are regular people, no better or worse than anyone else. ************************* HMMMMMM now who could THIS be referring to???????? come on now, put your thinking caps on. I hate to be pissy about it, but for bloody hell's sake, it's a joke. can't we have a bit of a laugh now and then? no one honestly believes any members of the band are superhuman deities, part of the attraction i think is that they are such normal people like you and me. stop taking every thing so blasted seriously. i thought that the irony in all the discussion of Arms of sex etc, was pretty apparent. i see nothing disturbing in making some humorous remarks eh???????? besides that, i'm very lonely right now, can i just have my stupid teenage pop obsession for once in my life?? jiminy christmas. i'm sorry, i dont' usually get angry, but this bickering and criticism is just getting to me in general. i think most of us here have a good enough sense of humor to know a joke from reality. the lovely(and saintly master of mix tapes) Xavier asked about pop musicians in Philly. Sorry i can't help you out right now, but maybe if i get accepted to go to school there next year, i can take you up on the offer.......may i have a rain check??? i know your frustration in finding people into the same musicks, especially here in the cultural armpit of america, the pickings are slim indeed. it's especialy hard to find any girls who play instruments, girls have to be so boring sometimes!! i'm the only girl i know who plays guitar who lives anywhere in this area. maybe i just dont' know where to look for them. welcome again to the illustrious genevieve. your stuart david crush is approved of. he does look pretty cute in the wicked video, he makes that funny expression with his eyebrows when he picks up the letter and reads it.. too bad for you he's taken! ha, your scenario gives me an idea. twould be funny indeed to see a b&s manga, would it not? reckon isobel would be pretty hot stuff in a vinyl bodysuit and spiked heels and a sub-machine gun in hand. hmmm>???? chris could be the wacky one, you know there is always one wacky goofy charcter in almost every manga/anime. oh well. blah blah. i better shut up before i scare any more individuals. I'm sorry for yelling!! i've had a sorry week adn i'm taking it out on you!! but for teh love of stu, it's all happy bunny games!!! i'm not insane i swear!!!!! just to get our minds off boring crap, here's some different sort of boring crap, it's a poem, have fun y'all, and think happy b/s monopoly tho'ts/ EDIE (hope this is exact, i do not have my official copy up here) Something's breaking, bleeding underneath my skin the itch is shock-white, ice-hot I turn my head, bite my lip, stalk shy Toss my jaw like some coyote bitch. my eyes are yellow-pointed if you look at me I will disappear. So I duck dark bite my lip through. something cracked in me, sparks melting wires to a boil, running from my eyes, in my sweat, burning in my skin I spit fire. She's so so hollowed out and used up in the marrow, Drunk on the moon, on glitter in the vein Hospital-white and shot with black holes, sorrow and mighty desperation that could burn down cathedrals. Black-on-white maddening pitch stretches me from silence to catatonia, to passion to utter flight. Something in me that's running ain't blood. Jaw swings, cold spittle and bile, i'm waxing with the night, bloating waning into somethgn silver I can't feel until I have torn off my own skin like bandages, the unbearable metallic itch of life outgrown. Digging beyond the dust and blood to cold bone that frames the black stars to find her inside of me. I find I can't cry, I just stare Licking at the tongue of Decay, staring at her antiseptic belly, I think about tasting it in wintertime ************************************************************** exasperated, lesleyJo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ozmusic48 at xxx.com Mon Dec 21 02:43:30 1998 From: ozmusic48 at xxx.com (Ben Rainbird) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:43:30 PST Subject: Sinister: The UNIT Awards (Sorry for the plugging!) Message-ID: <19981221024330.20332.qmail@hotmail.com> My Mailing list Unit is now launching it's official end of year awards. The categories are... 1) Song Of The Year/Worst Song Of The Year 2) Album Of The Year/Worst Album Of The Year 3) Video Clip Of The Year/Worst Video Clip Of The Year 4) Band Of The Year/Worst Band Of The Year 5) Underrated Band Of The Year/Overrated Band Of The Year 6) Man Of The Year/Woman Of The Year 7) Wanker Of The Year To Vote, send an e-mail to ozmusic48 at hotmail.com with VOTES in the subject line Thanx Ben ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Mon Dec 21 05:55:07 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:55:07 -0800 Subject: Sinister: "lesleyJo you're in a mess" Message-ID: <000a01be2ca6$778a53e0$5011020a@rebelstrange> i know it's faux pas but i just wanted to say if i offended anyone with what i said earlier i didnt' mean to, i wouldn't say it ws directed at me personally, and dont' want to increase the strife. if anyone thinks that i am just annoying and doesnt' want to hear me, then i wish they would say so to me directly, and i will take it as it comes. i never intended to come in and act all loud and ruin everyone's fun. i dont 'want to feel like a gatecrasher. i don't know why iit upsets me so much, i'm just sad about this. sad that david and katrina felt they were being attacked, rather unfairly i might add IMO. and that people are having to check out. if i am one of the people who are ruining the list then i never meant to be. i'm not so stupid and shallow that all i care about is who is the cutest one, etc!!! the only reason i ever loved B&S was because their music touched me in a way i haven't felt for very long. i didnt' even know what all of them looked like until i saw them in person, and i didnt' care. i just thought that i t was amusing, maybe i was wrong. My sense of humor may just be grating and immature. maybe i shouldnt' be writing this at all, if that's the case, then well i'm very sorry, but i felt i should explain myself and apologize if i offended anyone cos i didnt' mean to. i know i sound like a very ridiculous person sometimes it's just my way of dealing with life, when things get rough, i just start making jokes, and it's not always fun, it's what i've done all my life and sometimes i hate it i've been having a hard time in my life now and belleandsebastian and all the joys of their songs have been something that gives me the joy i need to move forward one little bit at a time, along with other very small things, and that is the reason. it distracts me. i dont want to unburden my personal crap here and i will not, only to say that the music is the reason, and i think that's why all of us are here, but if i shouldn't be here then i will take that into account, and perhaps i'm jumping the gun, i just get really embarrassed if i think that i have gone too far, and i do that a lot in my life,and it is never easy. i'm just overly sensitive and i apologize for all of that. i won't post for a couple days to make up for this twice daily post. a couple days at least. however i do love all of you and i'm not leaving as of yet, just to be clear about that. unless you all come clamoring to my doorstep with pitchforks and torches, then i'll have to give in with what's left o fmy dignity, pack my bags and leave only footprints. i certainly dont' love christmas, as i have told many people. someone who is sick on peanut butter chips and shame +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pag213 at xxx.edu Mon Dec 21 06:20:13 1998 From: pag213 at xxx.edu (Peter Greenspan) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 01:20:13 -0500 Subject: Sinister: An intra-album love affair? Message-ID: <367DE89A.A1959402@is7.nyu.edu> Upon listening to TBWTAS, I have come upon something very interesting--I wonder if I'm right. Is the speaker in "Ease Your Feet In The Sea" responding to his lover/exlover who is speaking in "Is It Wicked Not To Care"? It sounds like the all-too-serious-about-love girl in "Wicked" is being calmed by a less serious more nihilistic guy in "Ease". Does anyone else think this? Try listening to the two songs with this in mind. I'd be curious to know your opinion. P.S. I'm a newcomer to the list, so forgive me if my comments are old, obvious, out-of-place, or stupid. Forgiveness is a virtue. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From grabutcho at xxx.com Mon Dec 21 09:40:30 1998 From: grabutcho at xxx.com (Julien Boeldieu) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 01:40:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: beware: depressing and may ruin your health Message-ID: <19981221094030.2983.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Dear list, *** Cynthia, the californian dancing queen, a �crit : > I really wanted to say, that this world is falling apart and > I've noticed that no one is talking about it. With my > friends I've talked, but not on the list, not at work, why is > that ? It's apocalyptic. I don't mean like just getting out of > bed and somehow not knowing where you are... I mean, Clinton, > and the land mines of Bosnia, and the bombings in Iraq. ********** And unemployment, and poverty, and pollution, and diseases, and social unequalities, and unsatisfied social needs, and alienation and exploitation, and any kind of opressions (like homophobia and racism) and unjustices, and intolerance, and individualism, and massacres in Algeria, and wars and genocids, and people who are starving everywhere, and money that rules anything, and love that breaks down... Endless list ! Maybe it's because we're thinking after all that the world is not going so wrong... Or maybe no one cares (which would be rather alarming !)... Or maybe we're trying to see only the brighter sides of this world, especially during these Christmas holidays (which is not so easy)... Or maybe we're feeling so disarmed that we can't find a single word to express our thoughts and feelings... I don't know. Personally I think Bill Clinton is a kind of psychopath -- or at least a criminal. But we all know that he'll never be judged for these bombs... And what can we do actually ? Isn't that frightening ? Do you know that we're the first generation ever that will have a lower standard of life than their parents ? Sometimes I'm rather impressed by the passivity of my generation (or is it resignation ?), whereas there are thousand more reasons to revolt today than 30 years ago... Mankind has already one foot in the grave ! We can be smiling and nice to anyone around us, but that won't change anything. What the world needs is a radical medication ! Oh well. Sorry for the pessimistic tone of this message... It's probably an effect of what is called the pre-millenium tension ! Joyeux Noel � tous ! Love, Julien == "Je ne remets jamais � demain ce que je peux faire le surlendemain" ** Alphonse Allais ** _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Mon Dec 21 11:43:05 1998 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:43:05 +0000 () Subject: Sinister: i don't know where the summer goes... Message-ID: dear list, this will be my last message of the year. i hope everyone's managing to feel more festive than i am, because it would be nice to think of partying sinisterines even though i have been struggling with an essay and have had no social life to speak of for ages. lesley jo, may she be granted lifelong happiness, wrote: ****** if i am one of the people who are ruining the list then i never meant to be. i'm not so stupid and shallow that all i care about is who is the cutest one, etc!!! the only reason i ever loved B&S was because their music touched me in a way i haven't felt for very long. ****** the only people who ruin the list are people who deliberately try to make others feel bad. i don't want to speak for others, but hell, i will anyway. we love you lesley jo! 'life is never dull in your dreams'. to sign off, here's some (slightly out of date) thoughts on ...Modern Rock Song. the first half of the song (the part that we don't like as much) is about a kind of male identity crisis i think. boy meets girl/girl runs away/girl attacks boy/girl goes off with another girl. the narrator is trying to get the girl, but 'emma tried to run away'. when he ctaches up with her she puts him on the ground with judo, because his sexual advance 'i put my arm around her waist' is not what she wants. she does not display conventional female passivity, and the male narrator is put in the vulnerable position: 'she didn't recognise my face/she wasn't even looking'. then we have him introducing laura, but from an uncertain observer's viewpoint - '*i suppose* she needs a holiday'. the two girls go off together, subverting traditional gender pairings: 'she took emma by the hand, they've got a lot in common'. this leaves the narrator adrift, 'feeling strange', and he has to retreat into art (i'll go and play with words and pictures) and his own head. he feels inadequate, that the girls know somwething he doesn't, and through his song-writing persona is the only way he can appraoch it: 'it's beyond me what a girl can see, i'm only lucid when i'm writing songs'. INSTRUMENTAL BREAK. so, the second part of the song, which apparently has nothing to do with the first part, is a self-referential, postmodern (am i up my own arse enough yet?) reflection on his whole reason for being. the narrator is trying to regain control by looking inwards to the only territory where he feels 'lucid'. but still there is personal insecurity: 'i'm not as clever as mark twain' and 'we're four boys in our corduroys, we're not terrific but we're competent'. this may be all we can do, but we can do it. songs are all we have, and this one's trying to justify itself. i expect i'm far too much in academic essay mode still, and you can laugh at me now. but i'm going away, so i WON'T KNOW. ha. until 1999, adieu. luv archel, a girl in the snow xxx ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth rap101 at york.ac.uk http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We're the younger generation, we grew up fast. All the others did drugs, they're taking it out on us." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at Mon Dec 21 12:25:10 1998 From: Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at (Vanessa R. Siegl) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:25:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Newyear in Vienna (Offtopic) Message-ID: <2070D013D0C@s06user2.uibk.ac.at> Dearest (sorry for that header) Is anyone on here in Vienna for the New Years celebrations?? I know it isn't likely but if you are mail me privately ... love vanxxx _____________________________________________________ Forgive me for I have not sinned csaa7950 at uibk.ac.at _gapminder at yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Mon Dec 21 12:27:07 1998 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:27:07 +0000 (BST) Subject: Sinister: rescuing past topics Message-ID: Hello! Last Monday in Nottingham in 1998.I am going to Madrid, home in my case on Wednesday morning and not returning until the Three Wise Men have left their presents at my door and their camels have drunk water to carry on their journey,that's it, after 6th January. Perhaps our wise Sister Disco can explain to me why this lovely Spanish tradition that we try to defend furiously from Santa's cultural invasion is so funny for English people. They find it highly amusing. So I will have to unsuscribe during the holidays in order not to collapse the department of Chemistry server and being told off when coming back... But I still have today and tomorrow time to write a couple of uninsteresting postings... Do you remember a couple of months ago when we were chatting simultaneously about best shagging music and buses stories? I had an interesting conversation while having breakfast this morning with my housemate about snogging unknown people in buses , and I have to recognize I once did ( it was 27 hours in a coach from Amsterdam to Madrid, and I already knew him, though not very much, must be said)but surprisingly enough, we both knew two friends of ours who had done that quite sucessfully. I have no data about the soundtrack, but probably some Top of the Pops tunes that coach drivers usually love and play in every country. Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Mon Dec 21 13:53:55 1998 From: johnj at xxx.com (John Johnston) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:53:55 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Be of good cheer Message-ID: London listees here's a little last minute pressie idea for the Belle and Sebastian lover in your life. "Happicraft" the toy shop here in downtown Twickenham has a frankly unprecedented selection of dogs on wheels. They've got loads of different breeds, sizes and expressions. I commend it to the list. Happy Christmas everyone xx John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at Mon Dec 21 14:11:26 1998 From: Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at (Vanessa R. Siegl) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:11:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Various Message-ID: <208D27C7284@s06user2.uibk.ac.at> >Does anyone else fear that B & S is so good that something >must be wrong? I thought that when I heard the Black Sessions which is just so awesome it's unbelieveable ... >lesson: always beware! if i like an album instantly and the songs >are catchy right off the mark, i'll probably learn to despise it >very quickly. many excellent records are 'difficult' and take a few >spins to work their magic. Partly I agree. Actually I only don't agree cos I seem to be a person who instantly likes songs others find hard to get into whereas catchy and popular songs often (not always exceptions are there of course) put me off ... and most catchy songs I didn get into in an instant I hate now (apart from Belle and Sebastian, Pulp and ones by any other band I adore) Anyway people keep telling me I am weird for that .... >and who knows? - maybe one day 'the gate' will be heralded as a >classic. you know, one of those songs enclosed in a wee capsule on >the moon... I still haven't heard it. I'll be in Vienna over New Year though and hope to find it (Hint!!! hint!!! in case I haven't posted my meetup shoutout ...if anyone happens to be in Vienna that day mail me privately, thanx) Actually not being ablke to get records is such a pain really ... I am soi fed up with asking asking asking ...in an ideal world all the stuff I love would be freely availabble ..then again it would be half the fun if everyone knew about it .... Oh and Paul please post :))))) xxxnav _____________________________________________________ Forgive me for I have not sinned csaa7950 at uibk.ac.at _gapminder at yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From whoru at xxx.Net Mon Dec 21 16:25:04 1998 From: whoru at xxx.Net (Blake Hamilton) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:25:04 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Greetings Everyone Message-ID: <002601be2cfe$79de9c20$8c1674cc@woody> Hello all-- I am a new addition to the list. I'm not sure if this is regular procedure or not, yet yes I am introducing myself, for I feel it's the right thing to do... I'm from a little town in South Carolina USA called Hilton Head (land of golf and tennis and rich pricks who fight over caviar), and go to school at Wake Forest University in Winston Salem, North Carolina. (Winston is the armpit of North Carolina, ugh). I *very* recently got into B&S, as in during the last few months. I've been a notorious Who fan for as long as I remember, along with the Floyd, Jethro Tull, and the Beatles. I find today's music lacking, besides Radiohead, whom I find to be amazing. So when I first picked up Sinister (forgive me, I'll pick up on the acronyms soon enough) it was a delightful surprise. Being a stupid American, those damn import EPs are hard to come by--though I did manage to get my hands on a copy of Modern Rock Song. This, and of course Arab Strap, make up my B&S catalogue, I'm afraid. Anyways--I appreciate B&S for its fresh sound, Stuart for his caustic (sometimes) and beautiful (sometimes) lyrics, (not to mention his tasty tasty fret buzz), and its abundance of trumpet solos (why not?!). Ok I'm wrapping this up now. I also tend to write poetry and sometimes a short story or two--so if anyone wants to swap or something, let me know. And perhaps to begin a discussion--am I the only one who adores Me and the Major? alright, that's it glad to be here blake hamibe02 at wfu.edu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at Mon Dec 21 17:01:22 1998 From: Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at (Vanessa R. Siegl) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:01:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: what's wrong?? Message-ID: <20BA7E7728D@s06user2.uibk.ac.at> Are my mails actually (or rather did the mail I sent) come through or is something wrong? _____________________________________________________ Forgive me for I have not sinned csaa7950 at uibk.ac.at _gapminder at yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pag213 at xxx.edu Mon Dec 21 17:49:35 1998 From: pag213 at xxx.edu (Peter Greenspan) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:49:35 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Call me crazy Message-ID: <367E8A2E.D66AB2DA@is7.nyu.edu> Blake wrote: "I find today's music lacking, besides Radiohead, whom I find to be amazing...So when I first picked up Sinister...it was a delightful surprise" -------------------------------------- I couldn't agree more!!! There's a line that can be drawn straight from the Beatles through Radiohead and to B & S. I don't mean to say that there haven't been amazing groups in between (obviously there have been incredible and creative music in between.) But Radiohead and B & S represent to me what the Beatles would have been today (in two different incarnations obviously). The music is profoundly "colorful" and "sweet" and "courageous" in a way that music was afraid to be after the Beatles. Again, I'm not trying to sound like a nut (I LOVE a lot of other groups) But Radiohead and B & S have captured a simple, yet brilliant, elegance that was betrayed when the Beatles left us. Do I sound crazy or does this make sense? P.S. Thanks Anthony! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wilde77 at xxx.com Mon Dec 21 18:26:36 1998 From: wilde77 at xxx.com (r. h.) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:26:36 PST Subject: Sinister: peace out!!! Message-ID: <19981221182637.29031.qmail@hotmail.com> this is robbie all. i hate to inform you all (but some of you will be happy to know) that i'm signing off for obvious reasons. maybe i'll pop up every now and then to tell you guys a smutty story or two. megan, janine and tara don't forget about me you have my address. and jonny, don't miss me baby, i still want some of that pie. see you on the sha-na-na. and for anyone who's intrested we are putting the web site up the day after christmas. my instant message is hefner101. lets talk some time kids. and someone please take this to heart since i wont be here: humor is a good thing every now and then! some of you should try it out. i'm leaving tara in charge of all my left over smut. you kids be good and remember that we all love belle and sebastian but it doesn't mean that we have to try to act like the people that stuart sings about. oh, and poetry is the devil. peace out. robbie. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vlass at xxx.com Mon Dec 21 19:26:17 1998 From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:26:17 -0500 Subject: Sinister: poetry and all round good cheer Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981221192617.00675d98@mail.interlog.com> well.. it's around that time of the year when people start going home for the holidays and thus unsubscribing from the list so i figured there probably wasn't a poetry parrot for this monday? or maybe there is one but i haven't received the latest digest yet (my holiday interruption means switching from regular list to digest -- otherwise my parents start asking, "what is this 'sinister' thing sending you mail? are you in a cult?") sooo, i was at the library today and i found this poem to share with all of you.. i think it's darn sweet, and since i don't post enough to warrant a poetry parrot nomination, i decided to just go ahead and send it.. by Frank O'Hara Having a Coke with You is even more fun than going to San Sebastian, Irun, Hendaye, Biarritz, Bayonne or being sick to my stomach on the Traversera de Gracia in Barcelona partly because in your orange shirt you look like a better happier St. Sebastian partly because of my love for you, partly because of your love for yoghurt partly because of the fluorescent orange tulips around the birches partly because of the secrecy our smiles take on before people and statuary it is hard to believe when I'm with you that there can be anything as still as solemn as unpleasantly definitive as statuary when right in front of it in the warm New York 4 o'clock light we are drifting back and forth between each other like a tree breathing through its spectacles and the portrait show seems to have no faces in it at all, just paint you suddenly wonder why in the world anyone ever did them i look at you and i would rather look at you than all the portraits in the world except possibly for the -polish rider- occasionally and anyway it's in the Frick which thank heavens you haven't gone to yet so we can go together the first time and the fact that you move so beautifully more or less takes care of Futurism just as at home I never think of the -Nude Descending a Staircase- or at a rehersal a single drawing of Leonardo or Michelangelo that used to wow me and what good does all the research of the Impressionists do them when they never got the right person to stand near the tree when the sun sank or for that matter Marino Marini when he didn't pick the rider as carefully as the horse it seems they were all cheated of some marvellous experience which is not going to go wasted on me which is why I'm telling you about it i hope you liked it.. merry christmas :) teri xx your eyes are long vermont roads/with a tacky song on the radio/and your eyes are toothless young men/in tenessee in the rain again/ the magnetic fields/ http://members.tripod.com/~meltingsnow/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tangent at xxx.net Mon Dec 21 20:26:35 1998 From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:26:35 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Call me crazy References: <367E8A2E.D66AB2DA@is7.nyu.edu> Message-ID: <367EAEFB.5E424B74@lineone.net> you're crazy. you're all crazy. > I couldn't agree more!!! There's a line that can be drawn straight from > the Beatles through Radiohead and to B & S. i know it's more or less entirely subjective, but, um, you know the lineage described here baffles me. I know people all make their own cultural connections based on their experiences and inputs, and i'm no different, but, well, really, you think there's something connecting radioheed and B&S?? As far as i know Stuart has never been a spoilt brat who is so far up his own arse that he can't tell the difference between poetry and self-agrandised bullshit. No offence to any radioheed fans, i mean... well actually okay, loads of offence to radioheed fans because that's Pop: Drawing lines in the sand and saying 'that's pish' and 'that isn't'. Radioheed are traditional Rock creatures, bred on the equation of self-loathing and obvious suffering equals great art, an equation which is, quite frankly, bollocks. I honestly tried to listen to that ok computer record. Really, i did, but i couldn't. I just couldn't because it sounded so, so OLD and DULL and everything i hate about Rock. B&S are everything i LOVE about what i call Pop (read the archives or read a book), and it's so far away from what radioheed stand for it hurts. See, B&S are not about wallowing in self-pity or in self-importance. The only 'stances' they make are ones that are natural, stand up and out because they don't shout or use the too esay and tired rock histrionics peddled by the filth. I mean that artistically as well as (potentially)politically too... B&S make me want to kiss the skies, make me grin irrationally, make me do such dumb things you wouldn't believe. They also make me want to CREATE and be involved and add beauty to the world: beauty that is AFFIRMATIVE and glorious, and utterly in vain but so what? Radioheed just sound like they want you to sleep, or write tenth rate poetry or be 'worthy' or something. Fuck worthy. Radioheed ooze boredom and B&S ooze humanity. They are a lot sexier too. As for the beatles, well, um, isn't it just TOO EASY to use them as some 'year zero' of line-drawing? particularly when talking about contemporary artists, because even IF B&S are/were influenced by the beatles, it's unlikely that they were experienced 'first hand'. In other words, it's a distillation of the beatles through someone like, i dunno, whoever in the 80s sounded like the beatles and talked about them a lot. Someone crap probably. i'm not up on the beatles see... but it's like saying that B&S are like The Byrds, only that would be seen through Orange Juice, with expectations of the Byrds coloured by the views of the OJs because they were fans of the OJs first and they introduced The Byrds. This is getting confusing... I'm just arguing against real sense and validity behind these perceived time-based lineages i guess. It's all looped and eliptical, not straight. and the bottom line is i hate the beatles and radioheed as much as i love B&S, which is A LOT. keep the faith, the duke ------------------------------------------ 'all of our dreams are dying of overdoses' ------------------------------------------ Tangents On-Line http://www.tangents.co.uk PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at lineone.net ------------------------------------------ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SANDRAD at xxx.com Mon Dec 21 20:51:11 1998 From: SANDRAD at xxx.com (Sandra Duric) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:51:11 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Call me crazy Message-ID: <01BE2CF9.BDB72D90@SANDRA> All right, duke, I call you crazy, but in a good passionate I LOVE music kind of way... > I couldn't agree more!!! There's a line that can be drawn straight from > the Beatles through Radiohead and to B & S. i know it's more or less entirely subjective, but, um, you know the lineage described here baffles me. I know people all make their own cultural connections based on their experiences and inputs, and i'm no different, but, well, really, you think there's something connecting radioheed and B&S?? I think what whoever the first part is trying to say that as far as music cultural history goes, what B&S has in common with the beatles and radiohead is SIGNIFICANCE. A subtle connection, but still one. They all touching people beyond the throw-away crap rock-pop level commercial radio constantly spits up. But hey! Just my opinion. I agree that lyrically radiohead misses way more than B&S does... Merry, merry! Alexandra +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From billmoss at xxx.com Mon Dec 21 21:41:33 1998 From: billmoss at xxx.com (Bill Moss) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:41:33 EST Subject: Sinister: Greetings Everyone Message-ID: <19981221214134.25658.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: Blake Hamilton >Anyways--I appreciate B&S for its fresh sound, Stuart for his caustic >(sometimes) and beautiful (sometimes) lyrics, (not to mention his >tasty tasty fret buzz), and its abundance of trumpet solos (why >not?!). >And perhaps to begin a discussion--am I the only one who adores Me >and the Major? I also enjoy 'Me and the Midget' more than ever especially with the cultural and transport references not to mention the inter-generational angst. Also a big fan of (I wouldn't call it fret buzz) but rather the cool squeaky new strings sound that one gets when moving up and down the fret board without fully releasing pressure on the strings (you can hear it on 'Beautiful' amongst others). Bill ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From whoru at xxx.Net Mon Dec 21 20:15:52 1998 From: whoru at xxx.Net (Blake Hamilton) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:15:52 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Poetry Parrot? Message-ID: <001001be2d1e$b6a9c240$d1404ace@woody> All-- What is the situation with poetry and B&S? I understand that many of us fans enjoy writing the poetic line--so is there a submission procedure or a poetry forum? thanks blake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From reid.dossinger at xxx.com Mon Dec 21 21:34:50 1998 From: reid.dossinger at xxx.com (Reid Dossinger) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:34:50 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Fighting the good fight Message-ID: <367EBEFD.E14985F1@bigfoot.com> I resisted the Demon of Sinister Negativity for as long as I could, and fought him when I need to. And I had him pinned at one point. And then I ignored him, and even though he followed me around with oatmeal raisin cookies and a glass of whole milk, trying to get me to give in to his wily, self-defeating ways, I wouldn't do it. "Noooo way", I said, when I'd gotten tired of ignoring him. "The Sinister list is for fun and knowledge and love of a common band, not for little negative tykes who think that negativity equals rebellious knowledge." But those cookies looked good, and when I let my guard down, he got me in a headlock, and now I'm gasping for air (still eating the cookies, though). I've joined the Dark Side of Sinister. All I want to do is write in telling listee after listee where they can cram it. So I'm gonna do that now. I hate having to thumb my nose at Paul's rule of not talking on the list on the list, but this is what it's come to. First off, if this isn't a list where people can blather on about how much they adore Belle and Sebastian, what good is it?! The notion that we shouldn't be obsessively in love with Belle and Sebastian ON THE BELLE AND SEBASTIAN LIST is so ridiculous that I don't even know where to start. My dukes are put up and waving angrily in defense of Lesley who rightly pointed out that just because there are those of us who are star-struck by the unbelievable talent of this incredible, "life-affirming" (David's very true words) band does NOT mean that we'll be jetting to Glasgow on the weekend to rummage through Mick's trash. Like Lesley said, don't take it so damn seriously. Next up: News Of The World. To put it mildly, I'm very, very upset about recent world events, especially the impeachment hearings. I walk around muttering to myself in imagined arguments and feel rock-bottom depressed every time the subjects come up. But to suggest that we're apathetic just because we aren't talking about the bombings ON THE BELLE AND SEBASTIAN LIST is almost as ridiculous as (see above). Very simply, this isn't the place for it. And if you feel inclined to say, "We shouldn't feel like we can ONLY talk about Belle and Sebastian", then you obviously haven't read Paul's FAQ. Which is the next point of order: READ THE FAQ . I know this is a very Honey-like thing to say, and maybe I'm stepping over the boundries, but the importance of this was underlined when I had to re-subscribe to the list, and when I got the welcome mail that had the FAQ on it, I realized how many people obviously hadn't bothered looking at it. In my opinion (and a lot of others', too), Paul is a master at clear, patient writing, and if you're still confused as to what is acceptable on the list... I don't know what to say. The next "too ridiculous for words" point is the sudden rash of people complaining about the acronyms. It's very simple: TBWTAS is a lot shorter than The Boy With The Arab Strap. And then it became TWATTYBUS and TIGGERJAMMIES because it's *funny*, something that this list used to be. I'm sure that it annoys people. There've been time when the names have become so bastartized that I can't even figure out what song is being discussed. But it's all in fun...just let it go, please. And while I'm already on your bad side, let me just let something out: There are those of us who are very proud of the places we live and the places we're from (rare for most Americans), and we don't particularly appreciate having our hometowns and states and countries dragged through the mud. Maybe you think this is an overly sensitive thing to ask, but please...just keep in mind that people live in the places that you hate, and some of them may be on this list. In no particular order, other things that need to stop: 1) ragging on Jeepster. These people have been nothing but gracious and passionate and caring about the bands and their fans. Why the sudden need to align them with uncaring corporate labels? It doesn't take more than a passing interest in the music business to know that there's a world of difference between majors and indies. If you want more details than that, let me know. I'd be glad to tell you. 2) ragging on anyone on this list, especially the ones who have been nothing but happy bunnies, like we're all *supposed* to be. 3) the rise-up of the "this B&S song is horrendous" camp. Criticize as much as you want. Most of us (not me) have B&S songs that we don't like. BUT don't call it unlistenable, or whatever. Either say "it doesn't do much for me" or something as equally non-confrontational, OR say WHY you don't like it. Look, we all love Belle and Sebastian, otherwise we wouldn't be here (in theory). But it just seems that lately, some of the posts seem to have taken on an AOL message board-style "You suck!" tone. Knock it off. There. Email primal screaming finished. I know I've over-stepped my bounds, but consider it temporary insanity. I hereby pledge to be the happiest bunny there is. I won't be forced out of my rightful place in the happy bunny lands. I will stay here, and be an example of the kind of lovey-dovey, B&S-obsessed, "send" button-pondering, wit and wisdom listee that Honey always wanted us to be, forcing out the grumblers and frowners. Or some shit like that... Not even Christmas, Reid +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From whoru at xxx.Net Mon Dec 21 21:55:30 1998 From: whoru at xxx.Net (Blake Hamilton) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:55:30 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Call me crazy Message-ID: <001301be2d2c$a1b8b400$4d1674cc@woody> Ok well-- This is certainly a lot to take in, so i'll address it right off the bat... B&S and Radiohead are different bands. When the comparison was made between them, it was not done stylistically or musically, but it was gaged by the way it made (at least me) feel when I put on a record. Of course, the feeling I get when I put on okc and sinister are completely different, yet incredibly similar. On another level, as a radiohead fan, I particularly find the comments made about Radiohead's lyrics to be incredibly inaccurate. Thom Yorke, who is perhaps even more obscure than Mr. Murdoch, writes a hell of a line, and I do think that one needs to look at okc as a truly artisitic album, with unified themes, statements, and not just a lineup of pop anthems. I would, however, state that Radiohead as a band is constantly changing. No longer are they the children of nihilistic grunge. It is something different now, and I think that it must be respected. One cannot utterly disregard Radiohead's music as oozing in self loathing, because, if you listen hard enough to it, it appears that way. It's the same way with B&S--you'll find that self loathing in there as well, if you really want to. But you must understand that these two bands operate on different levels. Both have different objectives and different musical tastes and such. I urge you to glance through at some of the lyrics of okc. They are at times boring (like any lyrical statement) but at times brilliant and insightful. I cannot say that B&S make me want to kiss the sky, or be happy, for I don't think that's the intention. There is a lot of bitterness and loathing (perhaps not the self variety) behind the music that is very similar to Radiohead. I've had okc since the day it came out and have listened to it tens of times, and I find fresh nuances within it all the time. Radiohead, like B&S, dislike 'what's it's all about these days', and both, reveal a way out. -blake the duke thus spake: > >you're crazy. you're all crazy. > >> I couldn't agree more!!! There's a line that can be drawn straight from >> the Beatles through Radiohead and to B & S. > >i know it's more or less entirely subjective, but, um, you know the >lineage described here baffles me. I know people all make their own >cultural connections based on their experiences and inputs, and i'm no >different, but, well, really, you think there's something connecting >radioheed and B&S?? As far as i know Stuart has never been a spoilt brat >who is so far up his own arse that he can't tell the difference between >poetry and self-agrandised bullshit. No offence to any radioheed fans, i >mean... well actually okay, loads of offence to radioheed fans because >that's Pop: Drawing lines in the sand and saying 'that's pish' and 'that >isn't'. > >Radioheed are traditional Rock creatures, bred on the equation of >self-loathing and obvious suffering equals great art, an equation which >is, quite frankly, bollocks. I honestly tried to listen to that ok >computer record. Really, i did, but i couldn't. I just couldn't because >it sounded so, so OLD and DULL and everything i hate about Rock. B&S are >everything i LOVE about what i call Pop (read the archives or read a >book), and it's so far away from what radioheed stand for it hurts. See, >B&S are not about wallowing in self-pity or in self-importance. The only >'stances' they make are ones that are natural, stand up and out because >they don't shout or use the too esay and tired rock histrionics peddled >by the filth. I mean that artistically as well as >(potentially)politically too... B&S make me want to kiss the skies, make >me grin irrationally, make me do such dumb things you wouldn't believe. >They also make me want to CREATE and be involved and add beauty to the >world: beauty that is AFFIRMATIVE and glorious, and utterly in vain but >so what? Radioheed just sound like they want you to sleep, or write >tenth rate poetry or be 'worthy' or something. Fuck worthy. Radioheed >ooze boredom and B&S ooze humanity. They are a lot sexier too. > >As for the beatles, well, um, isn't it just TOO EASY to use them as some >'year zero' of line-drawing? particularly when talking about >contemporary artists, because even IF B&S are/were influenced by the >beatles, it's unlikely that they were experienced 'first hand'. In other >words, it's a distillation of the beatles through someone like, i dunno, >whoever in the 80s sounded like the beatles and talked about them a lot. >Someone crap probably. i'm not up on the beatles see... but it's like >saying that B&S are like The Byrds, only that would be seen through >Orange Juice, with expectations of the Byrds coloured by the views of >the OJs because they were fans of the OJs first and they introduced The >Byrds. This is getting confusing... I'm just arguing against real sense >and validity behind these perceived time-based lineages i guess. It's >all looped and eliptical, not straight. > >and the bottom line is i hate the beatles and radioheed as much as i >love B&S, which is A LOT. > >keep the faith, > >the duke > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From whoru at xxx.Net Mon Dec 21 21:57:29 1998 From: whoru at xxx.Net (Blake Hamilton) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:57:29 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Greetings Everyone Message-ID: <001801be2d2c$e8f60200$4d1674cc@woody> >Also a big fan of (I wouldn't call it fret buzz) but rather the cool >squeaky new strings sound that one gets when moving up and down the fret >board without fully releasing pressure on the strings (you can hear it >on 'Beautiful' amongst others). > >Bill Yes, that sound is everywhere with B&S, and it's quite nice. Yet, when talking fret buzz, nobody compares to Mr. Murdoch. I realize he probably does this on purpose, sometimes, but I must admit that's it's very nice sounding--evidence that B&S don't try to hide mistakes with overdubs or whatever. Natural, I would say. -blake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From HadieLB at xxx.com Mon Dec 21 22:24:27 1998 From: HadieLB at xxx.com (HadieLB at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:24:27 EST Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V2 #571 Message-ID: hello everyone. i am new to this list. introductory "hi i'm laura i'm new here nice to meet you" messages don't interest me much, so please consider me officially introduced! :) someone said: <> 'the boy with the arab strap' does not *usually* affect me that way, though i do adore it. 'if you're feeling sinister' amazes me and sends me into fits of breathlessness, as you mentioned. 'tigermilk' gives me absolute heart attacks and sends me writhing on the floor. :) i am not joking. the beauty and the breathlessness of it all.... of belle and sebastian and of life itself.... aagghhh..... goodbye for now.... enjoy the snow, if there's some where you are. love, laura +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Mon Dec 21 22:55:29 1998 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:55:29 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Blessed are the Peacemakers Message-ID: <199812211755_MC2-6464-644A@compuserve.com> Hi All, Middle-aged lurker stumbles briefly into the daylight again: Gary Done wrote: I can't be the only one surely, Sister Disco you must have spotted it, weren't you a roadie for the Tip briefly ?. Gary, I think the word you were groping for was groupie. Wow, Digest V2 #571 was memorable. The only one in months that I've finished reading with that old wistful smile on my face - usually they get binned rather crossly as I think of all the better things I could be doing with my time. Thanks to Genevieve and Oon for some nice vibes again. TYJAMAS. I owe an apology to "Is that one Belle?" for earlier denigrating remarks about the interminable five bar Gate. Familiarity breeds contentment, and it does contain some rather jolly banjo plucking. Who plays this, by the way? Christmas fast approaching, a time for families to get together, in which context I would like all 800+ of us to hold hands and think of our Listmummy Honey, who has been very quiet of late, despite, or perhaps because of, serial provocation. I guess this either means he's very poorly, or in despair at the bickering of his offspring. I get really low & depressed when my three children fight, so God knows what Paul must go through when the hordes of us scream selfishly at each other. Whatever, Happy Christmas Honey, and I wish you a hale, hearty and healthy 1999. Fellow Sinisterines, I don't wish to sound pompous, but please abide by the list rules and have a happier '99. To anyone unfamiliar with British culture who doesn't know who the Sir Cliff is that you have to think of before hitting that send key, he's an amazingly witty and passionate bloke who never opens his mouth unless he's got something to say of genuine interest to numerous other people about how Belle and Sebastian affects his life. :) Boring 80's music type fact: bought The Best of Jackson Browne today, because I discovered it contained "Somebody's Baby", a song I heard on the radio only once about 15 years ago, have been able to remember ever since, and have never been able to find a copy of until today. That's memorable for you. One of the things I love about Belle and Sebastian is that I know that I'll be listening to certain songs like Modern Rock Song, String Bean Jean, Century of Fakers and Sleep The Clock Around in 15 years time, and I bet that idiotic grin will still spread slowly across my (by then even more wrinkled) visage and that the hairs on the back of neck will still stand on end, even if they are by then the only ones left. Aplogies if my e-mail software makes the format of this really hard to read, Happy Christmas All Regards, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bradleybaron at xxx.com Mon Dec 21 23:22:05 1998 From: bradleybaron at xxx.com (Bradley Kenneth Baron) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:22:05 -0600 Subject: Sinister: Basics Message-ID: <008901be2d38$fb8d1be0$ca51fed0@oemcomputer> This is my first day on the list blah, blah. I'm sure this type of thing has been asked a thousand times, so allow me to add 1,001 -- I'm looking to get a copy of Tigermilk. Anyone want to trade ? Also, are there any EP's out anytime soon? Best wishes, BKB +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From evanbear at xxx.com Tue Dec 22 04:15:04 1998 From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:15:04 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Greetings Everyone References: <002601be2cfe$79de9c20$8c1674cc@woody> Message-ID: <367F1CBD.58855CB@javanet.com> if you think today's music is lacking then you aren't looking hard enough and/or inthe right places try anything having to do with Elephant 6 (a band collective from Athens GA with a west office in CA) tis a good place to start because they all play with each othr and with other kick ass people like Thom Monahan from Lily's if you really wanna see what music is out there that comapares with britts of old spend some time on the Web, specifically All Music Guide will lead you to tons of amazing music i just get a little tired of the all music today sucks line (not meant as a personal attack) when the people just arent looking hard enough Neutral Milk Hotel is as unique as any band has ever been in rock history and there are a million more ok ive said enough i think ----Ev my sig is gone...i should make a new one +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Tue Dec 22 10:41:52 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 02:41:52 -0800 Subject: Sinister: is it wicked when you're smiling,even though you feel like crying (JOY! ANOTHER SONGQUOTEAPPLIEDTOMYLIFE!!!!are you impressed yet?) Message-ID: <003601be2d97$b0b95480$0e11020a@rebelstrange> i said i wouldn;t post but now i am, because i've just been crying over something beautiful that christa wrote, and i'm freezing and i have been wiping my eyes on the wine colored nightgown, and i'm feeling very puzzled about myself. so here i go, putting on the brave face again. tears of a clown blah blah, thats my life, i'm a sad cliche. i'm sorry my last post was so negative, but then again i'm not, cos i felt that way when i wrote it. i just wanted to make it clear that i'm not the dippy ninny i'm sure i appear to be to some individuals, no names cos i dont' know you, i'm just sure that you are out there. but here it is. i like to laugh and i assume that others do as well, so i felt accepted here and have met so many wonderful ones that i wouldn't dream of leaving unelss it was absolutely painful to remain. this isn't making any sense. wait a minute. i go on about stupid things sometimes. you have to understand that whenever i am crying and i feel my life is in a shambles, i watch tapes of mystery science theater over and over again, cos it's the only thing that makes it go away. i'm NOT an obsessed maniac who thinks people in a band are superhuman and who worships them like gods. it just happens that there are pivotal things in my mind right now and the music of *aforementioned* happens to coincide and aid in defining this, whatever changes i feel i am going through. My trip to DC to see them was a revelation. and not just the concert part, or because isobel was hot, or stuart was a cutie, whatever the hell. it was a lot more than that. it was being with a true friend who really understands what i feel, and beign able to cry together because stars of track and field was so fucking incredibly gorgeous, and seeing the chances and symmetry that fate unfolded upon us like a mystery. it was finding beauty and inspiration in a pretty girl and feeling for once the feelings that i thought had died in me, out of bitter betrayal and disappointment. it was romance with being alive and loving and swallowing every minute that was put before us, and finding the magic in all of this, and sharing in some beautiful words that just happened to be created by members of the human race named belle and sebastian. the soundtrack of my life at critical moments. you have to understand that when i hear isobel's voice it gives me goosebumps. no sure, it's weak, sure it's girly, sure it's small, but it's something that makes me smile for one more day and maybe cry once in a while, moments captured that are priceless to me. maybe i express it a little bit strangely sometimes. i can't help that i have the urge to create ridiculous things and say stranger things but it is more than that. It's not ONLY this or that, it's not surface obsession, it's something way beyond this. can i help it if i want to be happy for once in my life, just laugh adn not care about appearances?? with people who enjoy and understand some of the same things? that's why i am here. i know i'm relatively new but for once i felt welcomed like i could walk into a neighborhood pub and have people yell out my name, and laugh with me, and not at me-- which is what i have been used to. so i'm sorry if i got a little bent out of shape. it's not only that, and it's not only what *soandso* said, whoever that may be. it's just me and i get emotional and don't know how to deal with things that people say. so i'm sorry for furthering the nonsense. like someone was saying to me, it's like arguing with real life friends, it's so real. maybe i am sad and lonely. so. i just try the best i can. and i can admit if i've made a mistake. if i've overstepped my bounds i can step back and grant you that admission. i just wanted to say exactly what i am feeling and cut away from the anger and the nonsense and the knee jerk reactions that happen when i am embarrassed or upset. if you didnt' care what i had to say, then i apologize for clogging up your mailbox, you can just delete me if you'd like, it's your prerogative god knows. i just wanted to explain why i was so upset about whatever it was that happened, i'm not even trying to remember what it was. just that i hate to be misunderstood as some sort of pathetic tired jester, when there is so much more to what motivates me and all of us here. i'm not asking for a pat on the head or for anyone to censor their ideas for little me andmy inflated ego. i just wanted to put forth the reasons that i feel that way. because sometimes when i hear "belle and sebastian" i just burst into tears, because it makes me fear for how i'm goign to end up someday, adn i feel just like poor sebastian, the girl he adores is a glamor queen and there are tons of better boys lining up at her feet, and she's so caught up in it she barely seems to realize that he's falling apart for her sake, and there doestn' seem to be much left to do but crash the car, what is there to lose?? so in the meanwhile, i try to laugh. because it's all i can do and it comforts me ever so much, i'm caught between the ridiculous and the heartbreaking, perpetually. it's all that i can say. apologies for anyone who was bored by this. i'm not going away i'm just cooling off. rightfully or not, i felt like a little girl who has had her lego castle kicked over by a big boy. and reacted accordingly. the blame is on me for that much. hugsxxxto archel, well what did you expect, everyone loves to be cuddled now and then and i'm no exception, i'll admit i'm soft and longing for strokes, i'm human after all. extra love to everyone, we'll need it for the holiday, and dont' fear please that the world is going down, its' just having growing pains you must understand, humans dont' take easily to change, adn change is what is going on, not destruction. there has been war for thousands of years. if only we can start to change the way people think. war is so pointless. why do people argue about possessions and history? history is dead. look at us, were'r living all over the world adn we are united by the love of wonderful music. there is nothing to fear when you realize the mistakes that have been made, were all senseless and can be unlearned in you and me. xxxxtra love to bunnies and kittens and dapper gentlemen with polite manners, and to the shiny apple posse which in time will plaster the next century with messages of love and gifts for lonely souls. twee, sensitive, cheesy, idiotic, bashful, naive, cliched, faux-mystical, admitted. but we must keep on living. if we all worried about not being Hip enough, we may as well all crash our cars, so BOO! to mean hipsters. very humbly yours lesleyjo "he is my friend cos he is the trend/i love my boyfriend" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From IndiaRubb at xxx.com Tue Dec 22 01:31:40 1998 From: IndiaRubb at xxx.com (IndiaRubb at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:31:40 EST Subject: Sinister: Fighting the good fight Message-ID: <27b09d4a.367ef67c@aol.com> Though I realize this was done in good spirit, and I know that this stuff should be left to Honey, I just feel a need to confront a few things in Reid Dossinger's post: reid.dossinger at bigfoot.com writes: << And while I'm already on your bad side, let me just let something out: There are those of us who are very proud of the places we live and the places we're from (rare for most Americans), and we don't particularly appreciate having our hometowns and states and countries dragged through the mud. Maybe you think this is an overly sensitive thing to ask, but please...just keep in mind that people live in the places that you hate, and some of them may be on this list. >> I'm not trying to lecture you, but I think you're being a little over sensitive. The only recent reference I saw to anything like the above was a slight mention to Winston-Salem, NC being called an "armpit" of the state (I think that was it). It appeared to be nothing more than just a little jest at a state, hardly venimous or vitriolic. I doubt we'll see any multi-paged posts from the person on the agonizing pain that is everyday life in Winston-Salem, or anything like that. This really is the kind of thing that most people would just say "ho hum" to. Unless someone is doing this to *try* to actually insult you, I can't really see a reason to get all bothered about it. <> I know this list is different than most lists I'm on, in that it has an "enforcing" moderator, but I still have never liked one listee telling another one what "must be done." I think it much better to phrase such statements in the form of a suggestion. In regards to the actual 3 suggestions, I'd have to say that you should've modelled your first two on the third (well, the 1st one is almost there), which points out the importance of constructive criticism...no "you suck!" posts, or anything in that simple vein. I, personally, don't have anything wrong with someone voicing an opinion on a label, listee, song, group, etc. just as long as it's done with a general sense of constructiveness. To tell someone to stop " ragging on anyone on this list, especially the ones who have been nothing but happy bunnies, like we're all *supposed* to be" is just almost as bad as a "you suck" or "shut up" post, IMO. I think you know that we don't all have to be "happy bunnies," but even a such a, err, rodent can be open to criticism. gwt +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mpatrick at xxx.com Tue Dec 22 14:38:23 1998 From: mpatrick at xxx.com (Margot Patrick) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:38:23 -0500 Subject: Sinister: cherished music Message-ID: <367FAEDF.FE33F6D6@bluestone.com> > They also make me want to CREATE and be involved and add beauty to the > world: beauty that is AFFIRMATIVE and glorious, and utterly in vain but > so what? Radioheed just sound like they want you to sleep, or write > tenth rate poetry or be 'worthy' or something. Fuck worthy. Radioheed > ooze boredom and B&S ooze humanity. They are a lot sexier too. > of course it is all subjective but this is how radiohead make me feel as well. in fact, though i cherish b&s more, i find radiohead much more inspirational and b&s have more of the cocooning effects described above. Radiohead makes me address my adult side that battles with technology's effect on my career (i do web development and marketing) and celebrates the utter importance of art as an expression of humanity. thom yorke is the singer of our times, in my opinion: his voice captures the essence of our longing to realize the fullness of our souls and aspire to a higher way of living. for me, b&s are more self-indulgent. they soothe me and represent the person i've become after years of feeling different and self-absorbed and self-obssessed. is anyone here familiar with the enneagram? is it safe to say we are all fours? (the tragic romantic.) so b&s represent *me* absolutely (i'm 29 so i've listened to heaps to reach this point, starting with the usual cure, smiths, etc. at 13), and radiohead represent what i am a part of: western world humanity. i'm new by the way (just a few weeks; do be kind to a stranger. peace, margot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Tue Dec 22 15:00:27 1998 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:00:27 -0500 Subject: Sinister: TOTTYBUM Review Message-ID: <199812221000_MC2-6479-4E77@compuserve.com> Hi All, Alex Tobin has posted a link to a review a couple of times, but as the article is in German it has probably been of limited interest to most. Translation follows - apologies for lack of smoothness, as I stopped studying the language at the end of my last A Level paper .............. in June 1973! belle and sebastian the boy with the arab strap jeepester/delabel/matador perhaps there are only two records which remind you that lyrics can be more than simply just lyrics. nick drake's five leaves left is one. the other is the boy with the arab strap. that's it. autumn leaves. soap in the plughole. hair that gets in your mouth when you kiss. that's just it. however the musicians hide away from you. there are no interviews, (almost) no press photos, above all there are no bits of information about belle and sebastian. only stories. its established that they called themselves after a french seventies children's TV programme and that the singer with the soft falsetto, stuart murdoch, studies music in glasgow. his band is so timid that there is genuine doubt as to whether they exist at all. after all only 1,000 copies of their vinyl debut album tigermilk were pressed, the rest being dubbed from tape to tape by fans. one of these cassettes made it, perhaps in a scottish hiker's luggage, to a stereo in paris. where it was heard by the french arm of virgin records, which produced the second album, if you're feeling sinister. belle and sebastian might remind you of the early housemartins, if they weren't so grim. you could compare them with the tindersticks, if they weren't so rheumatic. and now, ladies and gentlemen, the boy with the arab strap. songs so fleeting they'll probably dissolve as soon as you turn your back on them. songs so intoxicating they make tetrahydrocannabinol look like green tea. songs so complex that marcel proust himself would have taken dark pleasure in them. delivered in an enthrallingly commonplace voice that just captures the current mood exactly and makes transparent all uncertainties with disarming clarity. a voice with a wide-eyed, vulnerable, quite uncool naivete. even carefully arranged elegies like seymour stein or the roller coaster ride sound as if they had just this minute flowed from the pen of a drunken school band. perhaps that's what belle and sebastian are, a pissed up school band, that dares to let a warm froth of strings surge through the songs, to lay female spoken-word sequences over a pounding 2/4 beat and to finally send the song home on a euphoric cascade of bagpipes (dirty dream number two). and despite fully possessed note-tracks (David needs help here!) the eight musicians manage to simply echo stuart murdoch, murdoch with his acoustic guitar in his hand. in the end its impossible to suppress the wide, slightly silly grin that rears up as soon as you come into contact with something truly magnificent. with naked beauty for example. with music that isn't "soul", but which truly has a soul. with lyrics that move you to pick up that old diary again, and if you never kept one, to start writing one straight away. belle and her friend sebastian are artists who let you forget that you weren't around when nick drake was. and the boy with the arab strap is so good it makes you want to write the name of the band on your forearm. in biro. ****** (six out of six) arno frank musikexpress 09.98 David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sjacob at xxx.edu Tue Dec 22 15:59:17 1998 From: sjacob at xxx.edu (sam jacob) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:59:17 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: acronyms and such In-Reply-To: <199812221238.MAA11289@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: someone wrote: The next "too ridiculous for words" point is the sudden rash of people complaining about the acronyms. It's very simple: TBWTAS is a lot shorter than The Boy With The Arab Strap. And then it became TWATTYBUS and TIGGERJAMMIES because it's *funny*, something that this list used to be. I'm sure that it annoys people. There've been time when the names have become so bastartized that I can't even figure out what song is being discussed. But it's all in fun...just let it go, please. well... I was going to keep quiet about this, but i might as well say something short. Mailing lists are famous for these acronyms and nicknames etc. But, sometimes they can feel like a way for keeping newbies on the outside and "old skool" mailing list folk "in the know." If these acronym titles are so simple, why can't we include them in the FAQ about the mailing list, so people coming in will have a clue as to what they mean. Here is an example of a silly misunderstanding. When i joined the list, i new right away that TBWTAS meant The Boy with the Arab Strap (duh!) and assumed that TWATTYBUS (or whatever) was the same thing, but funnier. I however thought that Tiggerjam referred to TIJAMRS. But than i thought that Tiggerjam referred to Tigermilk. And now Teejammers refers to This is Just a Modern Rock Song. right? or not? Anyway, it wasn't that simple to me, and i am assuming a couple others were thrown off... I don't think mentioning them in the FAQ would render the jokes unfunny, just because they are explained. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Tue Dec 22 16:16:26 1998 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:16:26 +0000 (BST) Subject: Sinister: acronyms and such In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree with sam about the acronyms stuff. It took me a month or so to learn about all the different ones people tend to use in their messages but I found them higly amusing, and I didn't care about the supposed waste of time /misunderstandings that maybe they gave me at first.To include them in the FAQ files is a good idea. When you are a newbie in the list you are like learning the game rules in the playground, aren't you? So, my last posting this year before my Yule unsuscribing time. Merry Xmas everyone,let it snow and so on Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Tue Dec 22 17:16:02 1998 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:16:02 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Ease Your Feet into the Sheep Message-ID: <367FD3D2.3EA3797E@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Hello There, Haven't posted in a few days(daze?) and there's some things I feel I ought to respond to, so here goes... Matt Hintz spoketh: > < the new ep>> Actually, what I said was a bit confusing, and I think you've mistaken what I said for something else. I said if it weren't for a couple of songs on the EP I would be afraid B&S were getting into a rut. That's not to say that I don't like the EP, just to say that Modern Rock Schlong and I Know Where the Summer Goes could have been on TWATTYBUS and I wouldn't think about it twice. Not to say I'm not glad they released some outtakes (I still wish they'd release Rhoda) but that is to say I'm glad they have some songs which go in different directions and stand on their own to go along with these songs. The 30% Objective Evan Gregg spake: > if you think today's music is lacking then you aren't looking hard > enough and/or inthe right places In some ways I might agree with this statement in a roundabout way. However, it must be considered that different people like different things. Yes, there is *probably* something new that someone would like, but not necessarily. > try anything having to do with Elephant 6 (a band collective from > Athens GA with a west office in CA) tis a good place to start because > they all play with each othr and with other kick ass people like Thom > Monahan from Lily's Please, there is no need to discuss the sexual habits of the Elephant 6 collective and the Lilys. > tons of amazing music i just get a little tired of the all music today > sucks line (not meant as a personal attack) when the people just arent > looking hard enough I don't think anyone ever attacked music today, I think that some people were saying they couldn't find anything they liked in the current crop of bands. That is not an attack on today's music, it's a statement of that 70% thing we call opinion. I think being a serious music obsessive is in part keeping in touch with today while you remain firmly rooted in the past. A mix of the two can yield results of a most beautiful nature, as can be seen in B&S themselves. I was pleased to have just received an e-mail from Miss Magnetic Megan, who is doing fine and has just gotten e-mail back en la Russe. I also must my deep enjoyment of the Ballroom's reissue on Rev-Ola... Now Playing: "The Visit (She Was Here)" - the Cyrkle /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - bp224995 at ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | - Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From evanbear at xxx.com Tue Dec 22 18:42:16 1998 From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:42:16 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Ease Your Feet into the Sheep References: <367FD3D2.3EA3797E@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <367FE7F2.F12C2F7@javanet.com> as i said or meant to i didnt mean that anyone on the list was giving the today's music sucks line that was just a general bitch that crept into my post not aimed at anyone sorry if it sounded like it, i get that way when anyone touches on my pet peeves i didnt mean to sound quite as assumptive about those saying whatever they were saying but that is generally what is the case its the npr attitude that i hate, where they can make judgements that something is the best albumt o come out of the deacde, and only good one since the beatles when i seriously doubt they've heard 40% of the best music out today i dont do well with closed minds and tend to assume that negative opinions of music i like are due to that if any of the people who i offended and/or who now think im a horrible arrogant snob have heard ll the great music there is in the world then i apologize for jumping toconclusions but there is always amazing music if you look hard enough that was my main point everytime i hear someone say something about music not being the same sincethe Beattles i get really upset, prolly cause im used to being around old people online and they pull out that card a lot (no offence to old people who dont) ok i think that was well-tempered and clear im not really a snob im just overly emotional and defensive of music Lesley Jo and I are on a roll offending people wihtout meaning to ----Ev np-Bonnie Price Billy(Will Oldham)-One With The birds (the beatles never wrote a song like this) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Tue Dec 22 18:44:10 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:44:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Stop Laughing at Your Fellow Man Message-ID: <01be2ddb$10b779a0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Just to put things in perspective, most of the bad vibes floating around on the list are recycled bad vibes, and nothing to worry about. Jeepster bashing comes around every three months or so, and the reaction is usually the same, give or take the degree of offence taken. As for indies and majors, there are some groups that manage to go from indie to major without turning shit, in fact there are even some groups who are on indies and majors at the same time, such as Belle and Sebastian. French listees, are B&S shit in France? Probably not. Radiohead bashing is also a favourite sport on the list, and Bis bashing. Still, it's nice to see Duke back on top form. Are you going to put that one in the back of your next book? If so, I should delete that "kiss the skies" bit, or everyone'll rumble your Hendrix fixation. I actually tried to kiss the sky this afternoon, but I think I just looked daft. Reid has already made this point, but duty calls: "What is the point," thought Alice "of a Belle and Sebastian mailing list without obsessed loony weirdo Belle and Sebastian freaks?" I mean, you wouldn't write in to a Star Trek mailing list to say "hey guys, he's just a normal Vulcan" would you? Lesley J's shiny apple story is a true classic, and I am proud to be associated with her. Long may her Wee World of Worship act as a beacon to the mentally unhinged throughout the world. Count me in! Speaking of gatherings of loonies, we haven't heard anything from the Blue Soda Christams Bash. I can only assume that it was so good everyone exploded at the end. Frank O'Hara wrote: Having a Coke with You is even more fun than going to San Sebastian, Irun, Hendaye, Biarritz, Bayonne Nothing, not even the rain, is more fun than going to Irun, especially with the Christmas lights switched on. Frank should've come here too. I've had enough now, I'm going to listen to my new gospel album. I dig gospel. Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Tue Dec 22 18:54:56 1998 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:54:56 -0000 Subject: Sinister: does that tickle your whippet, sir? Message-ID: <003301be2ddc$a2d9f280$863aa8c2@n2f9x2> some bastard stole my walkman from work today. i wanted to tell everyone that because i'm annoyed. grr. whilst i'm working away, trying to reduce the now critical mass that is christmas novelty cakes, someone is in the locker room stealing my walkman. tits. has everyone gone home, or something? it's really quiet, which is quite nice. well, merry christmas then, you fules. i've run out of words. alix.x i think we should all hug lesley jo. "So don't approach me if you've no more to say than what you've been doing, or how much you paid for the beer in your hand. I really don't care and I might have to kill you, which wouldn't be fair. On me" - Prolapse 'Killing The Bland' +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Wed Dec 23 05:33:09 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:33:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: acronyms and such In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, sam jacob wrote: > The next "too ridiculous for words" point is the sudden rash of people > complaining about the acronyms. It's very simple: TBWTAS is a lot > shorter than The Boy With The Arab Strap. And then it became TWATTYBUS > and TIGGERJAMMIES because it's *funny*, something that this list used to > be. I'm sure that it annoys people. There've been time when the names > have become so bastartized that I can't even figure out what song is > being discussed. But it's all in fun...just let it go, please. > Ohhhhhh, so that's what it's all about. But then I don't read every day, so I'm probably responsible for my own ignorance. Why is it that when I tell anyone anywhere that I like "pop" music, they automatically start trying to make me listen to their Mariah Carey and Celine Dion records (I swear, this actually happened once at work). Maybe it's because I'm 28. Also, are the Cardigans worth listening to? Or is this just a bunch of recording label hype? Ciao, Heather Propes +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clarence at xxx.com Wed Dec 23 09:11:41 1998 From: clarence at xxx.com (Clarence Tsui, Hong Chee) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:11:41 +0800 Subject: Sinister: acronyms and such Message-ID: <01D4225AECD3D011A53600805F9A205854EA74@MAIL_SERVER_TP> On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, sam jacob wrote: :Why is it that when I tell anyone anywhere that I like "pop" music, they :automatically start trying to make me listen to their Mariah Carey and :Celine Dion records (I swear, this actually happened once at work). :Maybe it's because I'm 28. I think it's about how people defines 'pop'. Most would pigeonhole everything cheesy, plasticky and such as pop, thus Carey, Braxton, Boyzone, Pet Shop Boys, Cardigans etc etc (not that I hate all of them - I like PSB actually.) People, however, tend to forget that teh word 'pop' comes from 'popular'. Call me a naive fool, but I reckon that rock'n'roll is a sub-genre of pop instead of vice versa...... I'm actually unapologetic of being a pop-lover. Belle & Sebastian is good pop music - that's what I would say. Carey and her ilk are bad popsters... Merry Kerisimasi everyone. Clarence +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From aszolnoki at xxx.com Wed Dec 23 11:42:32 1998 From: aszolnoki at xxx.com (Andras Zalan Szolnoki) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:42:32 PST Subject: Sinister: Sinister Message-ID: <19981223114233.14462.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello sinisteriiis!! On monday some friends and I went to see this italian movie , I think it was italian anyway they talked in italian , called la bella e vita ,a funny&sad one. Afterwards we went to the only (almost) place to go here in town (does anyone on the list know/been to SoWhat? ??) . The new Kruder & D was playing. and then it happend....... This is just a model duck song came on and on and on they playd it three times back to back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it was wonderfulllllll :-))) and this glorious twenty minutes or so wasn't to be the end because then came I know that its winter now followed by the best song on the e.p. Slow G. it was a truly great evning , which resulted in too much drinking and too little sleeping , but wouldn't you do the same?????????? yesterday they played "the state".... I wanted to tell all you lovely people about the Yo La Tengo show(s) last week , but I'm having difficulties with my pc ; were not on the same wavelenght . YLT played here in Oslo last monday and tuesday to celebrate this cooooolest (some times too cool) club in town SoWhat? I was there tuesday , but I heard that the monday shows was great as well. On T. anyway they played for more than two hours , and they played non-stop. They dropped that stupid go-off-stage-and way-awhile-atleast-threefourminutes-before-goingback trick. And they were nice. They talked to the crowd (approx. 350-400) , played req. and so on . If anyone one list ..hrmph... matador-hello .... MATADOR RECORDS CAN YOU HEAR MEEEEEE???? just give them a big-big hug a few pats on the shoulder and smiles all around , and say they LOVED you guys and girl back in freezing Norway. Mogwai is coming over in january , how are they live ???????? Greeeeat , great , good , worth to see , if you don't have anything planned or SexPistols in Roskilde? Sebadoh are playing in SoWhat? in january , but it got sold out pretty quickly , it supposed to be the only show in Europe next year just like YLT only played for us , Blllllll . yeah on tiger are playing as well , are they good???? Anyone on the list going to see Molotov in Stavanger? ahhhh my new cd-s arrived!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lets see Nick Drake pink moon , time of slow reply , bryter later , five leaves , and Gorky's Zygotic Mynci -5 But where is the Arabstrap?????????? The field Mice????????????? They're sold out????????????????????????????? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! well Nick is fine by me :-))))))))))) He is God you know !! S.M. ( hmm.. SM ...hmmm .. S&M.... hmmmmmmm) is only numero dos ; sorry boutthat I just had to say it. I think I'll go back to lurking , or at least reading on my plate : Cheese & Wasa-knekk in my cup : Chaii a la ungaro in my cd player : Nick Drake ...soon playing in the deck : Black Star -rawkus records- Ciao!!!! Andras :-) ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fatslug at xxx.com Wed Dec 23 11:02:18 1998 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:02:18 -0700 Subject: Sinister: does that tickle your whippet, sir? Message-ID: Hello all you happy bunnies, Alix, I'm sure that whoever stole your walkman was aware of your fine taste in music and was really after the tape inside, so maybe you could take it as a kind of compliment. I have to admit to a lingering fondness for Radiohead, although it is the kind of lingering fondness that you can get after you've seen a band play in a pub a couple of years before they started playing in stadiums. I probably wouldn't like them much otherwise, and I don't really see any connection with B&S. I know this topic is getting a bit tired now, but as it's so quiet at the moment I'll throw in my thoughts on the Major Label debate. I work in the drinks industry where the same principles apply. All those fizzy alcoholic drinks on the shelves aren't meant to taste great, they are meant to taste palatable to as many people as possible. Then it's up to the marketing people to make you want to buy them. Likewise the big record labels don't want anything with too strong a taste, niche markets are not for them, they want something they can put a lot of cash behind and push to a mass market. Usually something inoffensive and bland. That's why we love Robbie, it's all in the image that the marketing people push, the music is inconsequential at best. Independent labels will always rely on marketing too, but on a smaller scale. They can take bigger risks because they are not putting such a huge financial investment into each release. That's why you will invariably find the more interesting stuff on indies. If that was too simplistic then I'm sorry, I have a simple mind and things come out that way. Hugs to Lesley Jo, Kevan The Fat Slug *********************************** chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickclick.com http://www.chickmail.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pulpbot at xxx.com Wed Dec 23 04:13:25 1998 From: Pulpbot at xxx.com (Pulpbot at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:13:25 EST Subject: Sinister: is it wicked when you're smiling,even though you feel like cryi... Message-ID: jeezus, you need to watch more MST3K--them fellas know obsessive and don't flinch even when they're cat-calling Morrissey references at a badly-dubbed Godzilla rip-off from 1952. Who on the list would make you feel so glum? Point one: Obsessiveness is a tremendous affliction, nevah, NEVAH apologize for it. In my Norton Anthology of Poetry there is an entry by one Mr. Christopher Smart who wrote a tremendous epic poem, "Jubilate Agno," on the the walls of the insane asylum he was committed to. Even better for Mr. Belljar was that the climatic climax of the poem centers around his best, best friend--his cat Jeoffrey. He really, really liked Jeoffrey. And this wonderful poem is taught in universities to kiddies who heretofore believed that Allen Ginsberg truly bitch-slapped the system. So don't you go worrying. Point two: As Mr. J. Rotten once opined, "anger is an energy." Now, you may argue that it takes guts to be gentle and kind, but sometimes you gotta ask if you can't get a fuck you. Okay, I'm making lyrical references instead of stating an actual opinion, but heck, postings with verve are what make the day, even if people occasionally get hot-headed, ain't it better than mumbling about your shopping list? All the postings on the list that I generally check out are usually less the old standard-bearers than the peeps who make their reputation with wit and sometimes a lot of bite. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Wed Dec 23 12:48:43 1998 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:48:43 -0000 Subject: Sinister: the long ball game (no smut content) Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E223A5405@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Does anyone know if Electrasy are on an indie or a major? Cos I fucking hate them with a passion that possibly outdoes my loathing for Embrace - that "Best Friend's Girl" song is easily the most loathsome song of 1998. Kevan, as ever, is the Voice Of Reason - nothing wrong with being simplistic now and then. I should point out to everyone that having seen Kevan on Friday, I can confirm the rumours that he is turning into an unholy cross between Clint Boon and Wimbledon centre back Chris Perry. Which in a funny kind of way is a compliment. I still don't think I've managed a B&S dream, but I did dream of horses last night. They were trying to kill me. Not nice. Anyway, more hugs to lesley Jo, Mark xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tangent at xxx.net Wed Dec 23 16:03:51 1998 From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:03:51 +0000 Subject: Sinister: acronyms and such References: <01D4225AECD3D011A53600805F9A205854EA74@MAIL_SERVER_TP> Message-ID: <36811467.7BD4493@lineone.net> > People, however, tend to forget that teh word 'pop' comes from 'popular'. it's an old tale, as old as the hills or at least as the tale of broccoli and elvis. what does 'pop' mean? does it mean P!O!O! or P!O!O! ? those are big exclamations and questions because it's a tricky subject to get a grip on. my suggestion is go and reinvent the world to your own taste and have a laugh at the folks who don't understand why you say you love POP and who frankly couldn't give a toss anyway. I love Pop. But you aleady knew that. can i tell you i am listening to The Quest by Drexciya and that it's one of my favourite rekkids of the year? It's a great Pop album. keep the faith, the duke ------------------------------------------ 'all of our dreams are dying of overdoses' ------------------------------------------ Tangents On-Line http://www.tangents.co.uk PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent at lineone.net ------------------------------------------ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From evanbear at xxx.com Wed Dec 23 16:10:13 1998 From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:10:13 -0500 Subject: Sinister: does that tickle your whippet, sir? References: Message-ID: <368115E0.63DF1AE@javanet.com> once in gym class some evil person stole my little cd booklet i got really sad and mad and kicked the bleachers and hurt my toe and pounded on lockers and yelled at people and then the person turned it into the office because they didnt like the music (Freedy Johnston and Jayhawks i think) that was tenth grade im not as violent now i personally call things pop that go pop, that make you bounce around like pop corn the nice thing about pop is all the various meanings like Loud Family=Brain Pop and ive already posted about Charm Pop, and of course Bubblegum Pop, etc. etc. the word just brings up so many spiffy images at least in my head not all music that makes me bounce is pop though but thats a pretty good simple description i think, im not gonna take this nay further because everything i say will be obvious and will annow people popular i generally call crap or pop shlop anyway i need some frosted mini wheats i wanna let out the kid in me -----Ev np-Vic Chesnutt/Lambchop-The Salesman and Bernadette (amazing...his best album definitely ive decided) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From evanbear at xxx.com Wed Dec 23 16:23:16 1998 From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:23:16 -0500 Subject: Sinister: top lists? Message-ID: <368118F0.31368ACE@javanet.com> just wondering if there was any sort of tradition of seding top ten or whatever number lists of records to the list, i wont do it in case its taboo for some reason most lists/boards/etc's ive been on have had top whatever lists i realize most people are home for holidays but its best to wait till after holidays anyway ok well thats it -----Ev +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wizzcake at xxx.com Wed Dec 23 16:33:17 1998 From: wizzcake at xxx.com (gateau du wizz) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:33:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: fare thee well, lovely list Message-ID: <19981223163317.12817.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> "the time has come, i swear to god we'd just begun - my dear, it's clear, i'm never going to see your face again" fine and appropriate words from azure days there... now dawhlings, i hope you all have a fantastic christmas....i am unsubscribing for a while becuase i've just resigned from my boring job and am plannng to move to boston in january...i will be checking my mailboxes from time to time but i guess the sinister list will have to go...i will miss you all so terribly - if any bostonians want to get in touch to show an old boy new tricks please email me on fourboysinourcorduroys at yahoo.com. jessicaxo i have the biggest crush on you...i hope you and ahren reproduce. jonnykat - i am going to track you down like a bloodhound. and the lovely london listees i want to see when i throw together a lame leaving party in the new year, otherwise i'll see you all at the next blue soda where hefner will be strumming my intestines and making sweet music (to make a young boy cry). okay i gotta go....be nice to each other people - less politics more obsessive lerve. and now i have a confession: isobel is my least favourite member of belle & sebastian!! hah hah hah!!! lady penelope, gateau du wizz. "you can't rollerskate in a buffalo herd, you can't rollerskate in a buffalo herd, but you can be happy if you put your mind to it." - THE MUPPETS _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Calumn.Shearer at xxx.uk Wed Dec 23 17:10:23 1998 From: Calumn.Shearer at xxx.uk (Shearer, Calumn) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:10:23 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa.... Message-ID: OK, I haven't wrote in a while, but I've been hiding at the back of the class, looking at Brad's dirty magazine and giggling at the dirty wimmin. well, chaps (and chapesses) I'm off. I'm outa here. It's goodnight from me and It's goodnight from me. I'm unsubscribing for Chrismas (giving up the list for lent?) but I'll have a sneaky look at the archives every now and again, just to make sure that whatever you're saying about me is truly filthy and hugely funny. and of course to see when that tigermilk thing's going to appear in my CD player. that would be a good "surprise present" - hey ho. Patience is a virtue though, and I'll just have to wait. A while back, someone (no web access at the moment, or I'd check the archives.... might have been "HMHB Gary" though I'm not sure why I think that) let slip a nugget (ooer) about Ninja records.... well, I got hold of a couple of their CD's and yes, whoever you were - they're fan-bloody-tastic. I'm also developing a bit of a soul fetish. I blame the lot of you. I've been ROTFLMAO at the acronyms discussion. Is it just me, or is the whole topic just a bit silly. A few messages for people left right and centre... If you're bored, scroll down to the bottom of the message, it's quite a good bit and has a joke about microsoft in the .sig Keith (&Tag?) - about this New Year thang..... any news? (I hate to hassle, but I'm trying to fill up me new year's diary. make it last about a fortnight, not that I'll remember much, hopefully) Her Royal Candarelness - Missed stopping off to say "HI!" on the way back up from London, sorry. I did try to get there, but the plane wouldn't stop. (I did see a girl down there with her thumb out, was that you?) And her Loyal footman, Gary - HMHB..... class. that is all. Kevan / Julie - you two still running these Tape Trees? I haven't seen any tapes for a while..... and on that subject - Who's got my tapes? Go on, Identify yourselves!! I wanna know how my babies are doing! Honey - I worry. I do. Are you OK? (I *still* have that damn pen. I told you I'd treasure it, Linda!) and I'm sorry about all the personal messages in this, but my e-mail at work's a bit iffy, and I need to get all this out quick. Serves them right for putting me in charge of the e-mail server. Duke - what's the chances of a signed copy of your book still lying around? I couldn't find a copy in Waterstones, Dillons or Johnney Smiths (despite the fact their PC said they had 3!) so, can I send you a cheque, then? Lesley Jo - *hug* with a snuggle thrown in. Marco#7 - there's a Chrismas pressie on it's way to you, but it'll be a bit late. and a great big mwwwwaaaaa! to everyone else. Merry Chrimble. (have a good Ramadan) I'M GOING NOW, BYEEEEEE! (in a cynical attempt to get the Fluffy Sahara marginal votes in the listcrush thingy) Calumn Shearer A Curlers He-Man (an anagram I *actually* like!) Mail me if you want a chat. (I might be in IRC now and then) ooh, eck... forgot the joke: Microsoft announced this week that due to Y2K problems, Windows 2000 will be delayed until Jan, 1901. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From csomeone at xxx.com Wed Dec 23 17:56:14 1998 From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:56:14 PST Subject: No subject Message-ID: <19981223175614.4647.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello darlings: Isn't winter a cerebral and sort of dour time? I feel like smelling lemons to brighten up... all this lack of sun, the tilting planets et cetera must be affecting us all ... how else can people be complaining about the doldrums of the list,the lack of humor, et cetera. Though Lesley Jo's post did brighten my day. Maybe she's in the Bahamas ... anyway, I feel I must apologize if anyone felt I was accusing the list of being apathetic to the world around them. That wasn't what I was getting at, no ... I pretty much just wanted to say what was really going on at my end. That's all for now. Cynthia ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Wed Dec 23 15:30:30 1998 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1998 15:30:30 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Mark & Lard! Message-ID: <199812231843.SAA18345@freebsd.saqnet.co.uk> chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/tiger/ Did anyone listen to Mark & Lard today? I was the one who suggested B&S and who said that they were the founding member of the Pat Jackson fan club! Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jim.Schmidt at xxx.com Wed Dec 23 18:07:28 1998 From: Jim.Schmidt at xxx.com (Jim Schmidt) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 98 11:07:28 MST Subject: Sinister: record labels & the cardigans Message-ID: <9811239144.AA914445384@mail.newtimes.com> heather asked: "Also, are the Cardigans worth listening to? Or is this just a bunch of recording label hype?" well, i saw this question and thought that this was the perfect example of a band that got swept away by a large label and have been repackaged for mass consumption...with mixed results for both the fan and the band. well, to answer your question, yes, the cardigans are definitely worth a listen...their first two albums are superb...i don't think anyone on this list would throw "emmerdale" on a burning pyre in disgust...i was quite a fanatic a few years ago when the band was relatively unknown, making sweet 60s music that appealed to the lounge culture...but after signing to a big label for their third album and creating a huge hit "lovefool"--which has been played ad nauseum--the band has definitely lost some of their charm...i give them credit for trying to reinvent themselves, or more accurately for presenting themselves as jaded and worn after monstrous touring and PR...nina even admits in interviews that if she has to sing "lovefool" one more time...! i still have a special place in my heart for the cardigans, but part of their specialness is lost forever...i hope this never happens to belle & sebastian. i'd rather they break up before they hate performing their songs live because they are sick of them; before their albums are repackaged and resold and start coming out in japan/u.s./europe/etc. with extra bonus tracks; before fans follow them and buy all of their singles only to be duped when they are released on a future cd with one new song; before going to see them live becomes a push-and-shove event; before the band aches to be left alone to live a private life apart from interviews and touring. there's a price for everything. i'd rather have to wait a bit longer/pay a bit more and not have everything turn into a franchise. not to say that people won't try to take advantage of consumerism...there's a "live" cd on ebay for belle & sebastian going for 55 bucks which supposedly has the bbc sessions on it...they're calling it "i'd rather be watching football"...i know it's a crock and i hope jeepster/bbc goes after the bastard...yeah, it's harder to get a few songs, but having a list like this allows for people to trade music...hell, i just sent a tape off (containing the radio sessions going for 55 bucks and more!) to sweden for someone that i'll probably never meet and i did it because someone was kind enough to do the same for me... so i guess my point is that labels like people aren't inherently good or evil...whether you want to make money, distribute good music or just get your hands on some new songs, it's the method you go about it that makes all the difference. whoa, i'm getting too syrupy around christmas...let me put my cynical sheen back on... everything is eventually ruined...it'll end in tears...yesterday i heard a danceclub remix of "here's where the story ends" and almost cried. have a nice holiday everyone and if you can't give the gift of love, you better get shopping! cheers.jim. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com Wed Dec 23 21:41:09 1998 From: ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com (Ben Parker) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:41:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: There is a light, that will, most certainly, never go out. Message-ID: <19981223214109.28352.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> If the last few weeks have indeed taught me anything at all, it is that "Willow" by the field mice is both the best thing in the world to listen to after breaking up with a girlfriend, and the worst. I'm starting to see why I fell in love with the smiths all those years ago; music can, yet agian, allow me to wallow in my own self obsessiveness. Nice one. (She didn't really like belle and sebastian anyway, so sod it). Nice to see Black Star, and rawkus records, getting a mention, by someone out there. A breath of fresh air really. An album cruelly missed out by both of the weekly music papers end of year lists. Along with almost everything i have brought over the last year, really. Better than the manics last stuff anyway. Jesus. And MOgwai are pretty decent live. Although, when i saw them they were sort of a bit quiet really. Needed a bit more noise to lose myself in tthe music. It was in a little pub as well, so you'd think it would be loud. And while i'm at it, what are they doing supporting the MAnics? Getting themselves known i suppose, but...I dunno.(Does the mind rule the body...or does the body rule the mind?) God! now i'm even quoting the smiths. Better watch meself before i become douglas coupland or something. Who's last book incedently, in my humble opinion, was a little bit crap. reminded me of watching that my so called life program that was on channel 4 the other year: watchable, yet nothing more. Like the breakfast club without the humour, or the irratating, yet lovable, best friend getting drunk on the eve of his 21st birthday and trying to be profound whilst telling you his never last his virginity. Or something. BeN _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From grabutcho at xxx.com Wed Dec 23 23:29:39 1998 From: grabutcho at xxx.com (Julien Boeldieu) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:29:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Re: Message-ID: <19981223232939.9353.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> --- Cynthia Someone a �crit : > > Hello darlings > > anyway, I feel I must apologize if anyone felt I was accusing > the list of being apathetic to the world around them. That > wasn't what I was getting at, no ... I pretty much just wanted > to say what was really going on at my end. Oh well. I didn't want to say anything else, but I feel I must apologize as well if anyone felt, etc (can't find better words). Julien == "Je ne remets jamais � demain ce que je peux faire le surlendemain" ** Alphonse Allais ** _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Bluvelour at xxx.com Wed Dec 23 17:38:51 1998 From: Bluvelour at xxx.com (Bluvelour at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:38:51 EST Subject: Sinister: chords to songs. Message-ID: does anyone have an extensive collection of b&s songs that they've got figured out? i'd especially like "dog on wheels" and "slow graffiti"... and lots of others actually... e-mail back privately.. thanks a bunch! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Wed Dec 23 22:38:31 1998 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:38:31 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Glasgow meet up Message-ID: <000001be2ec4$f855e8c0$359375c2@quartz> Hello everyone, how's it going? I said I'd post about the Glasgow meet up. I can't think of anything better to do than to just meet up on the 31st at 4:00 just outside Hillhead underground. I figure we can probably work out what to do from there. Anyone's welcome to come along, and I'm sure it'll be a laugh. See you there. By the way, has anyone else realised why Cher is so young looking - it's because she's actually a robot, if you listen carefully to her recent record you can hear her voice malfunctioning occassionally. Cheers, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From monroej at xxx.com Thu Dec 24 01:22:46 1998 From: monroej at xxx.com (John F. Monroe) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:22:46 -0600 Subject: Sinister: The Festive 50 Message-ID: <012d01be2edb$eaabdd80$5456cfa9@monroej.execpc> here is a little bit of Peel's festive 50, I don't get to hear the show myself, so all inconsistencies are just due to me copying this from another source. maybe someone hearing the show wants to post if belle and sebastian get another one in? predictions were for ' the boy with the arab strap' to be somewhere up near the top :) i have no idea if the show is now past 26, or what 50 through 34 were... 33 Mercury Rev - Goddess on the highway 32. The Fall - Pat Trip Swaize or Male Nurse - My Own Personal Patrick Swaize 31. The Freed Unit - Widishins (?) 30. Billy Bragg - way over yonder in the minor key 29. Super Furry Animals - Ice hockey hair 28. Fat Ass Slim Chance - Rockerfeller Skank 27. Clinique - Monkey On Your Back 26. Belle & Sebastian - Sleep The Clock Around now i am off to borrow my neighbor's pants... -john +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TWidmer at xxx.com Thu Dec 24 03:45:24 1998 From: TWidmer at xxx.com (Tara Widmer) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:45:24 -0800 Subject: Sinister: happy kwanzaa Message-ID: <81C1FB3F4D1ED111A51400805FC1DF03366DB0@amerwksnt01.xil.com> hmmm... now that resident studboy Dirk/Robbie has flown the coop, anal beads in hand, to go play with his "hard" mates in Shanana (double entendre intended, oh yes), and let it fall in my lap to spread the smut on Sinister, it is with regret i look to another to carry on the tradition. well, not too much regret really. I've got, like, work and vacation and stuff to deal with and can't be bothered to come up with anything smutty enough or even vaguely RIBALD to share so whoever wants to have a go, please feel free. The cryptic lad who once accused/praised/whothehell knows this list of being "nail" was spot on, even if I never could figure out what he meant, but alas, in a desperate effort to be like all the cool kids I, too unsubbing for the holidays. It's gotten kind of down lately too, which makes me what, the 4,132nd person to say so... Perhaps Honey's deafening silence means he has left...which is a shame, this list was an exceptionally wonderful place, especially looking thru the archives and realizing how different it was from the average mailing list. yet there are still lots of happy bunnies around, if anybody is flaming Genevieve personally they need to be taken out to the bike racks after school and roughed up by those shanana types (the band or the list, whatever)...and the duke of h's recent anti-radiohead diatribe was pretty inspirational... so it'll all work out in the end, yes? *mwah* now have a delightful new Year and happy holidays to all, I look forward to meeting various Sinister types in the coming weeks, be it Brighton, Glasgow or a dark alley somewhere the middle of a cold winter's night... oooh yeah. NME ticketline is the work of the devil, you know. tata! tara +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From evanbear at xxx.com Thu Dec 24 04:01:40 1998 From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:01:40 -0500 Subject: Sinister: and now: my top ten (just kidding) Message-ID: <3681BCA2.74DD26DF@javanet.com> oh well just a thought not to be rude but its kind of a dissapointment this list cant handle something like that but then again most other lists are restrained and less fun overall now all that making sure i bought all the great indie records this year added up to nothing more than good music, maybe someone will want to hear my top lists ill stand in the middle of the town and read it aloud, until i get arrested for public display of good taste ok well nothing much else to say so ill prolly just disappear for awhile or until someone says something interesting -----Ev np-Mark Eitzel-Caught In a Trap And i Can't Back Out Cause I Love You Too Much Baby (this would be a top...if such a thing existed) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From AEvans at xxx.uk Thu Dec 24 10:51:37 1998 From: AEvans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:51:37 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Tree Trimming Message-ID: <25CC9C11BD12D111BA5500805F8B63697FD122@COR-EXG1> Alexandra wrote : I might be if I wasn't nursing a red wine hangover from a tree trimming party we threw last night for all of our friends. Is it just me or is this just the most piss-poor excuse for a party in the world ever ? Tree-trimming ?? I don't need an excuse to party....I ROCK. I also own three radiohead albums. Ho ho the Duke will never speak to me again. In self-defence and a tri-lateral attack on the late great Dick North (is that an erection?) I think that they are mediocre at best and that someone should give that Thom Yorke something to really whine about. Anyway, enough of this nonsense otherwise we'll be back round to the thread about the finer points of Catatonia. I'll start...there aren't any. Declan McDeclan wrote sometime ago but then my e-mail hasn't been too efficient : does someone know a slightly smaller-yet-similar list to this? i mean = this is great an all but it just a bit of a chore trying to read all the = stuff sent to it. set your own list up Declan. alternatively just send messages to yourself and reply to them :) Subscribe to the digest and just skim read, it's so much easier. I had my card from Oooooooooooooooooooooooon this morning. Thank you Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon !!! It's got a beautiful Thai girl on the front who would be my ideal mail-order bride, only she's not real. I bet she's not as beautiful as Oooon though. Pleas don't take offence at the mail-order bride bit, it was just a joke. I find all my women on 0891-50-50-50. Is it just me or does anyone else on this list find the members of B*Witched very unattractive ? Like Edele would be okay, but she's got a big whole in her head. I used to like adolescent girls, but now I guess I'm just getting old. Did I tell anyone it was my birthday on Tuesday. I'm 27 now and spent the whole of yesterday with my head in a carrier bag. Mark C scathed : Does anyone know if Electrasy are on an indie or a major? Cos I fucking hate them with a passion that possibly outdoes my loathing for Embrace - that "Best Friend's Girl" song is easily the most loathsome song of 1998. here here...I don't care what label they're on, I just hope a terrible death becomes them all. what's more they talk funny like me, and have an annoying habit of playing shite venues in Tiverton and Plymouth and probably Woolfardisworthy. I would say they're probably on a major, though I'd like to think that they are on a Pan-Am jet flying over Iraqi airspace just now. On one of my more pleasant notes, my I wish you working types that are still with us a very merry electrasy free christmas, and a happy radiohead free new year. Adrian...xxx PS. Honey, hope you are a lot better and back with us in the new year. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Thu Dec 24 12:29:08 1998 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:29:08 -0000 Subject: Sinister: slip it in, miss ponsomby Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E223A540D@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Right - post champagne-on-Xmas-eve thoughts for everyone. 1. Love to honey. It's not the same without him around - I can't help feeling he's given up on us. For those of you who actually still have love and soppy thoughts about the Sinister Mailing List, we owe it to both him and ourselves to pull ourselves together after the season of goodwill has shone its beacon of, erm, goodwill on us. It's been all squabbling and depression lately, and that just won't do. I have never subscribed to any other lists, and I would never want to. Over the last eight months sinister has given me so much more than I could have hoped - oodles of genuine, lovely friends, days out, nights even more out, a gorgeous girlfriend and, most importantly, the most exciting, funny, moving and intelligent prose/poetry/stream of consciousness that I've ever had the privilege to be one tiny part of. I would be so chuffed if I met just one person into Belle and Sebastian at a party, on a train, whatever - having the opportunity to get to know 800 of you is something that I'm sure I'd miss like crazy if it ever went away. I think that's it really. I too am going to abuse the system just a tad and send my Xmas messages of love to all those fab people I've met and corresponded with during 1998 - it'd be silly to list names, but you know who you are, and you're all GORGEOUS. As are the rest of you, come to that. I'm writing this in my office at half past noon on the day before Xmas - I really should go home and deck my halls, matron. Buon natale amicissimi, Mark Blair Dario Casarotto xxxxxxxxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Thu Dec 24 13:18:11 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:18:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: When Keith Got Stuck Up The Chimney Message-ID: <01be2f3f$dbc02380$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Duke wrote: my suggestion is go and reinvent the world to your own >taste and have a laugh at the folks who don't understand why you say you >love POP and who frankly couldn't give a toss anyway. I love Pop. But >you aleady knew that. No sooner does Duke mention his pet pop theories than two more trusted and valued listees bugger off. What's the appeal of Boston? I've been there, and the best thing about it is the fantastic warehouses with sculpture of swans on top that you can see from the train as it chugs slowly into town. It's very flat, and surrounded by cabbages, and people drink huge quantities of real ale. I imagine it's a lot like Preston, only in Lincolnshire. Which is no bad thing, I hasten to add. Just in case. Pop, pop, pop! Ever since the early days of christianity, young people have spent the festive season pondering the meaning of this delightfully onamatopeepoopotic expression. I have looked it up in the dictionary, because that's the kind of tedious buffoon I am, and this is what I found: Pop - 1862. Colloq. abbrev. of popular concert Heavens to Betsy! What fools we have made of ourselves! In Spanish it means music derived from black musical styles and British folklore music, which narrows it down quite a lot if you think about it. Anyway, I'm going to opt for "popular concert" and I urge you all to do the same. It makes sense for "Top of the Pops" at any rate, the upper reaches of popular concerts - spot on! Here's another definition: Pop singers, pop groups - those whose records sell in large numbers and who are most popular on radio, TV and in discotheques Top of the pops - disc, etc which (calculated by sales) is most popular during a given period of time. What utter poppycock! More pop pondering is required. Keiths are notriously irreplaceable in pop circles. Imagine the Stones without Keith, and reel back in horror at the sight of The WHO without Moon the Loon. Not to mention the obvious decline in Mike Batt's Wombles after Keith Emerson left to pursue a solo career with Emerson Lake and Palmer. So it comes as no surprise that I find myself pining for our own Keith Watson. Keith, it's gonna be a blue blue Christmas without you, Big Tackle. This morning I stroked a donkey and a baby cow. Beat that, popular concert pickers! And while we're on the subject, don't despair if you fail miserably to get a Christmas snog, New Year's Eve is just around the corner, and everyone gets a snog then, regardless of physical repulsiveness. Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SANDRAD at xxx.com Thu Dec 24 13:49:46 1998 From: SANDRAD at xxx.com (Sandra Duric) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:49:46 -0500 Subject: Sinister: where's all the holiday cheer gone? Message-ID: <01BE2F1A.5D34A920@SANDRA> Christmas eve all over the world and I keep wondering why we bother when so many people are grumpy. I've been wondering that as I watch all the shoppers shove each other away to get at that last sparkly swizzle stick they don't really need but just want. I've really been wondering that as certain listees seem to slam (yes, I'm exaggerating!) certain other listees for no apparent reason other than to post something clever, funny or sarcastic depending on their mood or personality. Who am I to say anything about it? I don't know you guys (well, some I do, and those I really like). All I know is that there are a helluva lot of people out there who have more in common than they realize, and it's not just the we adore Belle&Sebastian frenzy. I keep thinking about Lesley Jo who's feeling bad for doing exactly what everyone else on this list seems to enjoy doing, i.e. expressing their thoughts and opinions. Maybe some sugarcoat it in sweet little images/polaroids, others have a verbal wit and verve you can only envy and some just say it straight from the heart, I hope. And then this morning as I'm getting excited about leaving work for a holiday in Toulouse, I see my own words come back at me and I'm briefly perplexed: Alexandra wrote : I might be if I wasn't nursing a red wine hangover from a tree trimming party we threw last night for all of our friends. Someone wrote: Is it just me or is this just the most piss-poor excuse for a party in the world ever ? Tree-trimming ?? I don't need an excuse to party....I ROCK. I also own three radiohead albums. Oh right, cute, I think. So you rock. Maybe I pop. What's the difference? And I doubt there is a single piss poor thing about throwing a party for all your friends who end up having a good time, irregardless of one of the hosts passing out. A party's a party, man, and the world needs more of them. And for some weird reason, I think this has more to do with my comment about Radiohead's lyrics than tree trimming. So I do think it's just you. As for Radiohead, I own all their albums, I like some of their music, I've even partied with Tim and Colin a few times, but I don't think they are god's gift to the modern rock world. Gimme The Piper at the Gates of Dawn or Loveless or Sgt. Peppers or Harvest or IYFS or anything by Nick Drake, and then we'll talk about gifts. So on this setting the record straight note, all you sinisterines, party til you pass out, have a wonderful Xmas and New Year. I'm unsubscribing for the holidays. Special holiday cheer to all of you I've talked to privately. You know who you are. I'll keep in touch. Alexandra +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Thu Dec 24 17:41:13 1998 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (Megan) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:41:13 +0300 Subject: Sinister: i have the city sickness Message-ID: <000901be2f65$42f35c00$dd4d02c3@lehard> this morning the snow didn't look real. my mom looked out the window and began talking about the pollution and whatnot, but when i got up to look, i understood what it was. the snow was falling over the rising sun, which made it look like tiny crystals falling from the sky. like someone was standing on top of the building in which i live and grating silver. the beginning of the snow queen is so beautiful, the part about the mirror. the elves, or maybe goblins, some creatures who lived above the earth had a mirror that could look at anything, no matter how beautiful and reflect it as something ugly and evil. this mirror was dashed to thousands of pieces which fell to earth. many were lost in the snow, but occasionally a minute shard would lodge in someone's eye. he or she would feel a tiny prick and then nothing, and nothing would be visible as it was so minute. but it would be there, and as time went on, it would make things slowly turn ugly and evil, and make the bearer unable to see the beauty in the world. it looked like these shards were falling this morning. it must have been beautiful when that mirror broke. it happened over scandanavia, so swedes beware. merry christmas, to those of you who celebrate the holiday. xox megan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMarcoux at xxx.com Thu Dec 24 18:30:26 1998 From: CMarcoux at xxx.com (Carly Marcoux) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:30:26 -0500 Subject: Sinister: RE: where's all the holiday cheer gone? Message-ID: <61879243F4F7D11187000060082BD70F1DC665@windsor-3.windsor.mcgill.com> I'd like to second your notion alexandra, I haven't been keeping up with posts lately, but, I would definitely like to say that I have met some very, very nice people on this list and I'm glad you brought up the fact that we all have a connection (something in common)... not that it doesn't have particularly nothing per se to do with belle and seb, but, it's nice to know that we have a common meeting ground! I just wanted to say merry christmas to everyone around the world who writes in and I hope that you all have sugar sweet sugar plum faeries jumping around your beautiful heads this 'eve! And as for Sandra passing out at our party... she did a fantastic job of cooking (a killer white bean dip!) and being a wonderful hostess when everyone arrived... tree trimming was a wonderful idea for a party, because this year i don't think either of us could have afforded to even decorate our tree otherwise (not that it REALLY matters)... but now, every time I look at our tree, (with some of the most thoughtful ornaments, homemade and otherwise) I see all the love that all our friends brought to our house that night (we even have a picture with like thirty people in front of the tree!) and I think that I hope everyone else is having such a good time at that moment as well! does this make sense? I hope so! I hope you all have a wonderful holiday! And a very happy new year! love you all to pieces! xx sammi:P +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From u01cjtc at xxx.uk Thu Dec 24 19:28:45 1998 From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:28:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: merry christmas everybody, why don't i feel festive , ah bollocks, good bye, second best use of bagpipes in a pop song-this is for real by david devant and his spirit wife. snow is good. colin. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Thessaly1 at xxx.com Thu Dec 24 20:23:27 1998 From: Thessaly1 at xxx.com (Thessaly1 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:23:27 EST Subject: Sinister: a little holiday greeting Message-ID: <906493be.3682a2bf@aol.com> hello. i just read this poem and i thought i would share it with you all in this holiday season. :) it is by the fantasy writer Neil Gaiman. Nicholas Was... older than sin, and his beard could grow no whiter. He wanted to die. The dwarfish natives of the Artic caverns did not speak his language, but conversed in their own, twittering tongue, conducted incomprehensible rituals, when they were not actually working in the factories. Once every year they forced him, sobbing and protesting, into Endless Night. During the journey he would stand near every child in the world, leave one of the dwarves' invisible gifts by its bedside. The children slept frozen into time. He envied Prometheus and Loki, Sisyphus and Judas. His punishment was harsher. Ho. Ho. Ho. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Thu Dec 24 22:10:07 1998 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:10:07 PST Subject: Sinister: Il est ne,le divin Enfant :) Message-ID: <19981224221007.3932.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear List, maybe some out there are feeling grumpy as people have been pointing out..but right now im just bursting of joy! tuesday was the last day of school for the holidays and it couldn't be anymore perfect! (well actually 2 disastrous things happened..but who cares! problems happen..we must not dwell on things sweethearts,lets do like this on list as well) i went for my first class..physics where we got to eat lots of candy and then left and went shopping and then fun things in the bathroom with my dear pal. You mean,the rest of you DON'T rummage threw Belle and Sebastian's garbale? You SICKOS! *genevieve looks lovingly at the half eaten crusty ham-sandwhich that was once embraced by stuart david's lips resting on her bookshelf* When I get a moldy orange that was once touched by a member of Belle and Sebastian,I really FEEL like someone..not just a faceless fan.I feel they ARE a part of me now,and that I have control over their souls. anyways,I hope you all have a most wonderful Christmas..I always love Christmas Eve best...the sheer anticpation! hot chocolate and cats snuggled up wearing big red velvet ribbons and fire places and procelain christmas dolls and stockings and christmas cookies and beautifully wrapped presents..the wonderful before moment! mmmm yum! yum yum! i could just eat the moment,it's so good! to top it all off it's SNOWING right now...not wimpy flakes..big lustrous heavy cottony ones that make you feel like you're floating when you stare up straight! and there were even some gorgeous does out earlier...but it doesn't matter,where ever you are,whatever...lots of love! MERRY CHRISTMAS! xoxoxo God bless Genevieve :) p.s yet there are still lots of happy bunnies around, >if anybody is flaming Genevieve personally they need to be taken out to the >bike racks after school and roughed up by those shanana types (the band or >the list, whatever). hee hee aww thanks sweet tara! i actually think the shalala mob could kick some more serious ass! they could knock one un-concious by throwing field mice records at your head! but...ahh,right now...just hugs by the fireplace ......zzzz sweet dreams all! ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From orenthal2 at xxx.com Fri Dec 25 01:05:33 1998 From: orenthal2 at xxx.com (Erik Hecht) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:05:33 EST Subject: Sinister: Hello I'm new here Message-ID: <19981225010534.16276.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello all, Whats with all the pessimism. Here I sit in Iceland, which is a loevly nation when its not dark 23 fucking hours a day. Yes Im a bit pissed but who cares. Happy xmas to you all and try not to let shit get you down. Im starting to realise all who understand b&s 's music have common views on life, sex holidays etc. Yeah just a disclaimer this is drunk rambling (love that icelandic vodka) Sorry if I detracted from your day., Ok ill post when im sober so you all can know the REAL me. Erik Keflavik, Iceland ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Fri Dec 25 03:02:52 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:02:52 -0800 Subject: Sinister: having thoughts of having thoughts of...... Message-ID: <000d01be2fb3$10f51060$4f11020a@rebelstrange> yay, it's a tori amos reference! anyone want to disembowel me on the spot? i'm waiting....*tapping toes impatiently* Tori rocks my socks, dude. chickens get a taste of your meat, mmm good! well i'ts 6:30 pm on x-mas eve, and guess who has yet to buy ONE single gift. i'll probably be out late tonite cos the family (sic) will be over tomorrow. here goes a stiff instant orange cappucino for me. not to turn this into the radiohead list, but i must defend those boys, out of principle. i've seen them twice in concert and they rock!! thom and jonny are really nice, too. and whining is good, it makes me cry. i think his voice is lovely. nothing wrong with rocking, as long as you do it well. all been done before, just comes down to how well you rip off what's come before, and they add their own mentality. to me their music epitomizes(bigwordalert) a certain simultaneously modern, and yet timeless, sense of ennui, desperation, impotence and the struggle to remain individual in the face of conformizing mechanization (If those are even words...) and expresses those feelings as well as anything. I've felt that frustrationevery day of my life and "letdown" still crushes me to the verge of collapse. it's yummy emotion, tugging at the heartstrings, and it's purty, like the Gate. nuff said. now let's shut up about radiohead...and continue to canonize the members of b&s. (SARCASM!!!) i dont' know if anyone ever mentioned momus on this list before, but i saw an old tape of mine that has the French and Saunders show on it, and it had those two guys who sang and played keyboards, and i realized that's exactly what momus sounds like, EXACTLY like that singing guy. that's why i dont' like him, he's goofy as hell. AND i saw a clip of the show "Man about the House" on a program about sitcoms, it said that AWFUL "three's Company" show was based on man about the house. the guy on that show was no where near as repulsve as john ritter, though. and their apartment was much uglier, so it looked tons more enjoyable. does anyone know why american sitcoms constantly rip off british ones? i have never heard of a british ripoff of an american idea. but it seems like every american sitcom came from an english tv idea. things that make you go HMMMMM>..... petermiller, may i use your wonderful phrase "a beacon for the mentally unhinged" as the slogan of the wee world? i'm not really sure if that was meant as a compliment, but as it was funny, i dont' really care. all these hugs going around, and someone's going to catch something nasty, like boy cooties or girl germs. you better all wear thick anoraks and fuzzy gloves when doing your holiday loving. and you'll all catch whiny holiday depression from me, i hear it's dangerously communicable. now for your holiday cheer, i present for your despisement the introduction of a new society of wonder, that the gods wish to spread throughout the next millenium as a symbol of hope and bonhomie for the disparaged and disgusted masses. may i present to you, the stuart murdoch Shiny Apple Posse. FAQ Q: What is the S.A.P.?? A: An illustrious society united by the bonds of goodwill represented by an eccentric popstar's curious and mysterious boon. Q: Aren't you afraid of being called "sappy saps"?? A: no. Sappiness is a badge of honor. Q: Is it sanctioned by Stuart M.? cos if it's not, i'm gonna tell and you'll get sued big-time. A: While not officially endorsed by Mr. Murdoch, it must be remembered that he chose to grant the apple of his own free will. We're legally home-free. Q: Is it anything like the "Apple Dumpling Gang" that delightful Don Knotts vehicle by Disney?? A: No. Q: Ok that all makes sense, but why S.A.P. in the first place? A: It was a damn good apple, my friend. Q: So how do i declare my eternal alliance to this holiest of cabals?? A: you must grant a curious and heartfelt gift of your own. once you have received the holy sticker, you are free to pass on the gift of shiny applehood to one and all that you meet. this is not a pyramid scheme, you will not die if you don't convert 100 people. You are free to spread love and cheer at your own disposal, or, indeed, dispose of the whole concept. everyone give out shiny apples this holiday season, and reach out to one another with felicity and serendipity. Much love..... Hmm i just dreamed last night i was supposed to be on a flight to Munich and then to Italy, but i got scared and started crying to my mom i didn't want to go, and they were going to make us march in some stupid parade in Austin Texas, and i was bitching about that too. then i was walking around this museum dressed in a suit hta tmade me look naked, and i was trying to cover myself up. i kept trying to smile at this cute blond girl on a walkway above. then i was walking in a crazy funhouse neighborhood in the smithsonian. at one point i was taking a class in breeding chickens from this redneck guy, and he was making me lift up the legs of girl dogs to tell which sex they were, but the dog was just like a girl person and she smiled at me, and i felt sorry for her being in a breeding program, but i had to check her gender anyway. it was very humiliating. there was a movie about cutting off the heads of chickens. "Homer, you can't just keep hanging out with these colobus monkeys....someone's going to get parasites!" lesleyJo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lbrandt at xxx.net Fri Dec 25 11:09:38 1998 From: lbrandt at xxx.net (Lisa Brandt) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 03:09:38 -0800 Subject: Sinister: looper Message-ID: <36837271.3A7E9134@jps.net> hello all, today i managed to get the "looper" cd from the subpop "it hasn't been released yet" cabinet. it won't be released until march '99, but it's quite good. if you like "a space boy dream", you've pretty much got to pick this one up. lots of nice, bippy computer sounds and the like. if i'm sounding like i'm not making any sense, looper is the side project of stuart david... merry christmas and all that to everyone on the list. i hope this finds you well. xo, lisa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Fri Dec 25 11:55:34 1998 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1998 11:55:34 -0000 Subject: Sinister: MERRY CHRISTMAS Message-ID: <199812251203.MAA25328@freebsd.saqnet.co.uk> chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/tiger/ Merry Christmas listees, here's a festive thought for you. Wrapping paper vs. Mince pies Hmmmmmmmmm? Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From HadieLB at xxx.com Fri Dec 25 05:38:35 1998 From: HadieLB at xxx.com (HadieLB at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:38:35 EST Subject: Sinister: people who are weaker than you and i, they take what they want from life. Message-ID: <3c203ea9.368324db@aol.com> hello everyone, whom i still don't really know because i am oh-so-new.... someone wrote: <> heh, i *still* adore the smiths. i guess i never passed through that famed adolescent-angst phase (i'll be 22 in January, and i still feel as adolescent and as angsty as I did at 15.... could that, possibly, be a problem?). but those lyrics still honestly speak to me {though not as often}, and i still find Morrissey gorgeous, even in his old age. ;) re: Douglas Coupland~ what was his last book? was it "life after god?" i read that book recently for a class on Religion in Western Literature, and i liked it immensely. but i haven't read any of his other work, so i have nothing to compare it to... are there any listees residing in the boston (northampton, specifically), or washington dc areas? okay... bye! happy holidays to every one of you i have yet to know (but hope to!)... ;) --Laura +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shop at xxx.uk Sat Dec 26 00:05:14 1998 From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:05:14 +1000 Subject: Sinister: a farewell Message-ID: <3684283A.6A73A493@jeepster.co.uk> just to let you know that i'm unsubbing for a while, i'll maybe be back mid/late january (list, not work), but will still be around if anyone needs anything answered (mail me privately). if we get any news in the meantime, we'll be posting it to the news mailing list (http://www.jeepster.co.uk/mailing.htm), remember, the sinister list no longer automatically receives the official news, so if you want to get it you should subscribe to the seperately (visit the page above for details). cheers have a good new year david kitchen (of jeepster) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JonnyKat at xxx.com Sat Dec 26 06:55:37 1998 From: JonnyKat at xxx.com (JonnyKat at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 01:55:37 EST Subject: Sinister: *list hug* Message-ID: <845245dc.36848869@aol.com> Happy Christmas Sinisterines! Recently, the "Lady" Penelope Cheez Wizz threatened: "jonnykat - i am going to track you down like a bloodhound." I found this concept rather stimulating. What sport we could make of it, this transatlantic hunting... Does this make me a fox? I don't know, but it kind of makes me horny. Oh, my... Then, Robbie lisped: "jonny, don't miss me baby, i still want some of that pie." This really kills me, this pie thing. I must be a better baker than I thought, but there's plenty of pie to go around, really, so... keep in touch boy. Or maybe you and Gateau could get together? Pies, cakes... imagine the possibilities! Besides, I'm with Billy, so there. He is lurking here, you know, so be careful. On that note, I must tell you all that I'm outta here. I've made some incredible friends-for-life here (you know who you are, and I'll obviously keep in touch) and I've had untold magical experiences, but it is time for Jonny to unsub. Lalala... If you want me you know where I am... THANK YOU, HONEY! :) Love and Kisses, Jonny xo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Sat Dec 26 22:29:27 1998 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:29:27 -0000 Subject: Sinister: never take electricity for granted Message-ID: <000d01be311f$44964ac0$e039a8c2@n2f9x2> HA LLO it's properly the holiday season now. we had a power cut earlier on today. the excitement, the fun, the darkness. when the power went out, i thought 'i'll go for a walk, and when i return the power'll be back on' so i went over the fields, but each time i looked back at the village it was still dark. it was only when i was walking past the house in my street that's covered in xmas lights and plastic glowing reindeer that the power returned - much to my surprise, as santa suddenly loomed out of the darkness, from the front garden of this house. i started laughing maniacally, to my consternation. i think my point is that the weather has deteriorated suffiently for it be all xmassy, and cosy. unless, like moi, you happen to be walking across a muddy field in the rain. not that i'm still doing that, i got home a while ago. they don't have computers in fields, you know. look at what xmas has done to my sanity, i'm talking utter shite. must stop and go to sleep love alix ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "No, Patrick," Luis says. "They were . . . broiled" It's silent in the boardroom as I comtemplate this, thinking it through before asking, finally, "What's 'broiled,' Luis?" "I'm not sure," he says. "I think it involves . . . a pan" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Sat Dec 26 23:45:46 1998 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:45:46 +0000 Subject: Sinister: miffy miffy miffy!! Message-ID: Dear Sinisters! This feels great! I am no longer using Microsoft Outlook to type my mails with :) mmmmmmmm :) Turnpike.....lovely....! Outlook was so...harsh! Even though it has that lovely send and recieve function... which is just so handy.... BUT! it writes in a crappy font and trust me that means a lot. Yes. And it doesn't have pretty little pictures, unlike Demon Internets Turnpike prgram. Which I do hope is good else I'll go unwillingly back to Outlook. Which I am quite fond of too...cos it represents....the new pooter...perhaps with this new program I am just delving into mail nostalgia...ah who knows and indeed, who cares! Lets cut and paste from Outlook now eh? Smeeter Filler, Peter Miller! > slowly into town. It's very flat, and surrounded by cabbages, and > people drink huge quantities of real ale. I imagine it's a lot like > Preston, only in Lincolnshire. Which is no bad thing, I hasten to add. > Just in case. Hmmm. It hasn't done wot it used to do and changed the colour of the quoted thing. And, the mouse circle thing didn't work either....ooh! But at least it doesn't open A WHOLE OTHER POINTLESS WINDOW! Um. Preston isn't flat! Preston is hill upon hill upon hill! i recommend to everyone the view you get when going to Manchester by bus, when ujst leaving Preston. Everything suddenly drops away from this land of terraced houses and narrow roads, to a marvelous panorma and sky and hills and sheep! it rules! (and real ale is the ONLY ale.) My friend, or my sister, well, she is both! Told me the other day, that Americans don't eat lamb cos the US doesn't have a lot of sheep! Kerazee! A simple concept but yet so hard for me to relate to. What about kebabs? Americans, do you like kebabs? I do. Ages ago, someone mentioned THE CARDIGANS. They are crap. They always were crap and then lots of people bought their records and made them be played on ROCK FM a lot and they are still crap and always will be. Aaaah. http://www.harryhill.com go there!! Ah well, perhaps using the little mouse roller is a bad thing. I have noticed myself getting sore hands when I use it. Falumn Nearer! Calumn Shearer! > Her Royal Candarelness - Missed stopping off to say "HI!" on the way > back up from London, sorry. I did try to get there, but the plane > wouldn't stop. Plane?? You posh git! Then again, as I am royal princess starry sarah, who am i to speak? I am planning to go to the TRAFFORD CENTRE. It is becoming my mecca. I must go. You know what?? I worked today, boxing day, and did I get paid double time?? NOO! Cos its a SATURDAY! BOOO CHIZ CHIZ! And B*witched ARE fab! Suity Flooty Schmooty ADRIAN who works in a scary office for the GOVERNMENT pig dogs said they are unattractive. Well, Edele is quite a woof, and Lindsay *i* do not like either. Possibly cos they are not brunettes, unlike my fair self! Speaking of my fair (hehehe yes, in the same sense that woof the dog is fair) self, a picture of me shall soon be on Sinister peeple page, cos Gary is scanning me in A PICTURE. The horror, the fear! The rage!!! You know what? I've realised I have a lot to say. I shall write it tomorrow :) I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!! Fluffy Candarel +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mazzy_ana at xxx.com Sun Dec 27 03:11:28 1998 From: mazzy_ana at xxx.com (ana simic) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:11:28 GMT Subject: Sinister: come back when you discover you're dead Message-ID: <19981227031129.23894.qmail@hotmail.com> cheerio to all of you 'out there'!!! actually, I was planning to make my first mail to this list more oh-sensational, but as it _always_ turns out different, I probably shouldn't have even expected that to happen...hmhmhm here I am now, hanging on my i-connection middle in the night being extremely happy that x-mas is over...cos afterall: 1) days _will_ get longer (hard to believe....ain't it?) 2) cookies are all eaten up (or soon will be)..*sorry for being a girlie at this issue, but they _do _ make one fat* 3) all these crazy-going people around have finally settled down and they (we??) all realize, that these stupid presents they've got really weren't worth the x-mas rush.... Anyways!! That all wasn't _really_ the reason why I started writing this mail, so let me get to the point... *** the Douglas Coupland issue: I've read _all_ the stuff that funny Canadian wrote, and I simply loved it. I thought, the guy could not write a bad novel...he was getting better with every new book he wrote. Anyways, you can imagine what my expectations about the "Girlfriend in a Coma" were....Huuuuuuge!!! (and _not_ only the title seemed more than promising). Well,the dissappointment was even worse after having finshed it two days ago.........!!!! I even thought of sending some complaints to the author! It _is_ a crap book (much much much worse than that "Celestine's Prophecy" one, which i more than disliked and which it does remind me of somehow). There's just nothing coming from the _real_ Douglas Coupland in that book, and there's nothing about (or even feeling like) the Smiths "as we know them" in it. So if you decide reading the book because of its nice title, then do think twice....and do concider reading the MICROSERVES maybe first (not a dissappointing title either, isn't it?*s*) there were some other things I wanted to mention as well, but oh-well maybe next time. I'm just wondering if I'll be the first one to wish you all the most joyfull NEW YEAR's EVE! Nooooo...*smiles* Well,dear listees, DO get pissed an DO have fun!!! Cheers! *s* *Ana* P.S: Are there any Dutch/German/Austrian etcetc people around here.. ...hmm,well, "continent"?? Do make a notice of yourself, pleeease*** ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jaygatsby at xxx.com Sun Dec 27 14:32:48 1998 From: jaygatsby at xxx.com (Sean McVeigh) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 09:32:48 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Black Sessions or any Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981227093248.0087d220@mail.geocities.com> Could someone please give me a great birthday gift by telling me where to get the Black Sessions or any of the radio sessions. I have all four eps and the three records. so what else can i listen to? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Sun Dec 27 16:13:52 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:13:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: We All Like Piggy Pudding Message-ID: <01be31b3$e503efa0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Dear chums and chumesses, Welcome to my post-nativity shindig, the Rip Van Winkle's Wrinkled Dinkle Pickling Party. Everyone's simply having a wonderful Christmas time! Sadly, the Radiohead boys have failed to turn up, but Motorhead are well represented, as usual. Philthy Animal is in the oven, on gas mark 6, basting himself with gallons and gallons of page three birds! Over in the corner, Tariq Aziz is busily smearing an enormous dildo with dubbin, his trademark spectacles steaming up in anticipation of bathroom devilment, no doubt! Meanwhile, I'm dilligently mixing a bucketful of fresh cod roe and trout sperm that Roger Daltry brought along to liven things up. Ha ha, I love that guy! He's in the kitchen having a "Dippity Doo" glottal stop contest with Bob Hoskins. They sound like a pair of acid-crazed troglodytes. Oh, I know, I know - any excuse! Lesley J wrote: petermiller, may i use your wonderful phrase "a beacon for the mentally unhinged" as the slogan of the wee world? i'm not really sure if that was meant as a compliment, Of course it was meant as a compliment. I've been trying to think of ways to get you a photo of the object of your desires wearing her school uniform, but the only idea I've come up with is to get photocopies done and send them. But I'm worried that the photocopy shop man will have me arrested immediately and thrown into prison. I'm sure I'll think of something. I'm disappointed that we didn't get a Christmas Day address from the Duke this year. No wonder the list is struggling to keep its head above water. I bet bloody Shalala got one. Turn again, Dick Whittington! Yesterday I went to the pictures and it was a film that probably won't trouble the vast majority of you, "The Miracle of P. Tinto", but I thought it was worth mentioning because I think it's the first time I've seen a film with someone having a wank on the bog in it. Soon there will be no boundaries left to push back. Unless good old Stuart Murdoch can find them. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the world ends soon, so he might as well unleash all he's got on the next LP. "as I walked through that hospital door..." Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From HadieLB at xxx.com Sun Dec 27 20:26:54 1998 From: HadieLB at xxx.com (HadieLB at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:26:54 EST Subject: Sinister: Re: girlfriend in a coma. Message-ID: In a message dated 12/27/98 9:36:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, someone wrote << There's just nothing coming from the _real_ Douglas Coupland in that book, and there's nothing about (or even feeling like) the Smiths "as we know them" in it. >> okay, i know this douglas coupland thread is pretty much beat... but can someone please tell me exactly what that book was *about*? was there supposed to be a connection between the book ('girlfriend in a coma') and the band? are the smiths part of the book's plot in any way, shape, or form? i am confused..... okay, that's it. i want some pen-pals. --laura +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From laurentdeguell at xxx.com Sun Dec 27 22:08:15 1998 From: laurentdeguell at xxx.com (Laurent de GUELL) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:08:15 -0500 Subject: Sinister: lonely far into the year again? Message-ID: <199812271708_MC2-64D3-6F3F@compuserve.com> hu humm... No need to bla-blater as you noticed I'm pretty new on the internet and French which makes two reasons for me to cut the crap, for Chrissake. Bonne nuit ! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mike at xxx.uk Sun Dec 27 23:43:44 1998 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:43:44 GMT Subject: Sinister: Thanks Sinister List! Message-ID: As the end of the year approaches (always more important to me than Christmas) and since I've already drunkenly de-lurked tonight, I thought I'd just write to thank everyone who actively posts to the list for a fun year, lots of entertainment (sometimes even intentional) and for helping in my hour of need (when my Tigermilk tape expired unexpectedly). Despite recent fractiousness, you're still the nicest list around....a little more pressure and I might even reveal who I voted for in the list crush debacle! Happy new year sinister folk! Mike -- Sent by mike at greatnorthern.prestel.co.uk at Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:40 ICQ UIN: 3533902 -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mike at xxx.uk Sun Dec 27 22:20:43 1998 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:20:43 GMT Subject: Sinister: Re: girlfriend in a coma. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: wrote: > okay, i know this douglas coupland thread is pretty much beat... but can > someone please tell me exactly what that book was *about*? was there supposed > to be a connection between the book ('girlfriend in a coma') and the band? > are the smiths part of the book's plot in any way, shape, or form? i am > confused..... De-lurking as this list is quiet and there is no danger of getting caught! There are a number of Smiths references throughout the book (read it and spot them - I'm too drunk to remember!), but essentially beyond the title, there isn't much connection. Plot in summary is that a guy dies of leukemia. Later, a girl from the same group of friends goes into a coma. She awakes 17 years later and has apocalyptic visions/visitations from said guy. Its all a bit of a mid-90's fairy story about the end of the world, done in the inimitable Coupland way I know and love! Great book however. Why do all Dougie's works make me want to live in Vancouver, however grim he makes it sound? Mike -- Visit Traumatone/Great Northern Electrics on the web at http://www.geocities.com/~greatnorthern/ -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bluefishy at xxx.com Mon Dec 28 01:37:56 1998 From: bluefishy at xxx.com (bluefishy at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:37:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sinister: after x-mas Message-ID: <98122720375631.17707@weba1.iname.net> From: Eleanor Bluefishy---I don't know how everybody else goes about writing their sinister posts, but I've tried a couple of times and mine never posted. And this time I'm trying writing the from thing myself. At any rate, now x-mas is over and I thought I'd make the preposterous admission that I still don't have The Boy With The Arab Strap, nor have I heard any of the songs from it. I'm sure this will make some of you aghast with horror, others with pity. I do love B&S, but . . . I could fill up a house with excuses. Still, I'll love it and it'll be "new to me" like those NBC reruns (no, I did not fall for that). But thing of it this way: most sinisterines have heard all there is out there, but there is still new Belle and Sebastian for me! Well, this is a long enough post. Someone please reply, and give me reason to read these things. Bye! Happy New Year's! ----------------------------------------------- Get your free email at http://www.alloymail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From allan at xxx.uk Mon Dec 28 03:22:01 1998 From: allan at xxx.uk (Allan Donald) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 03:22:01 +0000 Subject: Sinister: after x-mas References: <98122720375631.17707@weba1.iname.net> Message-ID: <3686F959.128A@morvern.freeserve.co.uk> >From: Eleanor Bluefishy---I don't know how everybody else goes about writing their sinister posts, but I've tried Well most of us use returns every now and then! Hello anyway from another lurker. ;) --allan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Mon Dec 28 03:32:00 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:32:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: heat wave In-Reply-To: <19981223175614.4647.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Cynthia Someone wrote: > Isn't winter a cerebral and sort of dour time? I feel like smelling > lemons to brighten up... all this lack of sun, the tilting planets et > cetera must be affecting us all ... how else can people be complaining I'm down here in Long Beach, CA, where it's just as sunny and bright as can be. We just bought a car (1994 Geo Prizm, basically a Corolla) and spent the day yesterday rollerblading at the beach. I guess that pretty much makes me a casual. Well, at least I wear plain sweats. Hey, does ANYONE know of something fun to do for New Years in L.A., Long Beach, or O.C? that's all for now. Keep warm. ciao, Heather the suntanned yank +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Mon Dec 28 04:07:30 1998 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:07:30 -0500 Subject: Sinister: just because it's cookie monster blue doesn't mean you can poke me Message-ID: <002001be3217$b07448c0$771e05d1@tinystar> firstly, let me announce that i am wearing a brand spanking new pair of shoes that look exactly like the ones prada is showing this season, the only difference being that i paid muchmuch less for my shoes. they're mary janes, they're leather, they're quite geeky really and they look smashing with my knee length skirts and requisite cardigans. with biscuits in hand, of course, and penguin paperback tucked into my pocket. but am i allowed to nibble on my glico pocky milk super snacks? ah yes, they can be eaten in conjunction with biscuits. one glico pocky snack, one biscuit. and then some lemonade. wizzcake wrote: >jessicaxo i have the biggest crush on you...i hope you and ahren >reproduce. now, i couldn't let this roll by without some sort of comment. first, eeeeek! okay, now i can say that there will be no reproducing between me and ahren any time soon (or me and anyone for that matter, but you really don't need to hear about that), we're just good friends and our relationship is totally platonic. but i still touch him a lot. that can't be helped. wizzcake, we will miss your urine scented cakes as they stick to the list like wet tissue. in a good way, of course. then peej wrote: >>What's the appeal of Boston?<< boston? please, other than being old guys sporting the ever-fashionable mullet hairstyle and singing about old trains and ladies, it's also a great city with some of the best chai tea around, a lovely discount bookstore, and filene's basement which gets hit so hard every time i visit. did i mention that glenn jones, of the ultra-talented cul de sac, lives there? yessir, and he took me to dinner at a nice thai restaurant, and we discussed music, and i discovered that he likes belle and sebastian! he also remembers seeing jimi hendrix in concert, which eliminates him as a real world crush, sadly enough, but i did go away grinning from the ride in his volvo and our little discussion of belle and sebastian, and the fact that he paid for dinner, which always thrills me (i'm simple, i know). and peej wrote some more: >>And while we're on the subject, don't despair if you fail miserably to get a Christmas snog, New Year's Eve is just around the corner, and everyone gets a snog then, regardless of physical repulsiveness.<< oh, poo, i now feel even more left out that i have no plans for new years. i had tentative plans last year, and then i got tonsillitis and was forced to stay at home and feel sorry for myself drinking neo citran and watching 'muriel's wedding'. anyone volunteer to show up at my house, take me out for new years and kiss me? perhaps that sounds a little too desperate, let me try again...anyone care for a lovely new years outing, rewarded definitely by a hug and some cookies and a feel of my new blue furry jacket (not a grope, mind you, just a feel. there is a difference, pervyheads). well, being at home won't be so bad, i'll get another chance to listen to my whole belle and sebastian library from start to finish in chronological order as the new year comes in and the old year passes, and paint my nails pink and phone old friends and leave pathetic messages on their machines saying "happy new year, hope your karma gets you this time" and laughing from having too much lemonade and having them call me back the next day saying "what were you on, jessica, and what's this about karma?" and i'll pretend that it must have been another jessica and quickly change the subject. oh yes, here comes 1999, inevitably ushered in by prince (party like it's 1999) and ended with pulp (disco 2000). how appropriate, somehow. i think my work in retail is making me cynical. oooh, i almost forgot about christmas cheer! hannukah is over, yes? hope the festivities haven't left you too groggy, and that you all got a gift as marvellous as my electric toothbrush. wow, it spins and makes my whole head vibrate, and then i end up with clean teeth. amazing stuff, this technology. love and rockets (oooh, cliche), jessicaxo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From brier at xxx.com Mon Dec 28 09:05:47 1998 From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:05:47 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Open letter to David & Katrina Message-ID: <008b01be3241$43ba52e0$339fcdcf@brier> Jeepster (and everyone in it, mostly including you two, David & Katrina) are doing a perfect job. Your job? Bringing the band Belle & Sebastian into our lives, thus changing it for the better, forever. Whatever a loud minority of fans seem to be aiming towards you in the form of either cynical triades or just doubting thoughts, PLEASE know that most of us (almost all of us, I would guess) are glad for the music you help bring us, and the surprisingly lovely spirit with which you do it. Most of us know that the fact that Jeepster is a business does not take away from the fact that you love the band and what they do for us. Please accept our vote of confidence and our sincere thanks. Not ass-kissing, just speaking from the heart of me, Brier Random +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kfr9 at xxx.gov Mon Dec 28 13:28:26 1998 From: kfr9 at xxx.gov (Rehak, Kimberly) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:28:26 -0500 Subject: Sinister: a blessed morning Message-ID: > after napping rather continuously through the holidays to avoid overdosing > on the family, i have to return to work. you know that hackneyed > thing about mondays?...it is too sadly accurate today. anyway, i'm all > bleary-eyed and pumping for my car to make it to the top of the big hill > (it's rather shitty, my kitty car) when blessed belle and sebastian comes > over the airwaves. needless to say, i skip the morning cigarette and wake > up right away and my car even kicks in and i make it to work just as > TBWTAS is ending. it was on for one of the npr guys favorite albums of > the year. so here i am now, about to actually start working. boo. but i > wish you all wonderful mornings such as this. > > oh and with all of the new people subscribing, is there anyone from around > pittsburgh? just would like to meet some neighbors. > > bye, KIMberly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Mon Dec 28 13:44:49 1998 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:44:49 -0000 Subject: Sinister: i'm so full of ideas... Message-ID: <000201be3268$506d98e0$9a43a8c2@n2f9x2> hello dears, here's my life story... it was around 11.30pm, and we fancied a cheeseburger. WeÂ’d just been to see Snow Patrol, and were about to get on the bus, but we reckoned we had time for food. Opposite us in the queue at Macdonalds are a group of blokes, and one of them is saying ‘You canÂ’t pick and choose, for godÂ’s sakeÂ’ Then another starts shouting ‘ I want pickles, I need pickles, why canÂ’t I have pickles?Â’ and so on, and the first bloke starts up again – ‘you get what youÂ’re given, itÂ’s not fucking KFC - you get what you're givenÂ’ When IÂ’d bought my cheeseburger I went to sit down by the door and wait for Tom. A man whoÂ’d been watching all of the above saw the ink stamp that you get on the back of your hand at The Point, said ‘hey, ThatÂ’s a good idea, write on your hand what you want, they know what you want at the counterÂ’ Then he said to me ‘what does it say?Â’ and I said 'the PointÂ’ and he said ‘the Pogues, brilliant group, do you like them?Â’ and I laughed and said ‘no, the Point, itÂ’s a place where they do gigsÂ’, he said ‘was anyone good on?Â’, but then Tom came over, and the man said ‘hey I thought Sid was deadÂ’, to which Tom was very flattered, then the man said I looked like Nancy Spungen, and warned Tom against me ‘you better watch her Â’ Anyway, we left MacdonaldÂ’ s and caught the 2A home. i'm afraid there really wasn't any relevancy to this post, but i'm so bored i think i may explode if i don't do something constructive. oh, and i don't look anything like Nancy Spungen, either. alix. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "No, Patrick," Luis says. "They were . . . broiled" It's silent in the boardroom as I comtemplate this, thinking it through before asking, finally, "What's 'broiled,' Luis?" "I'm not sure," he says. "I think it involves . . . a pan" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From reid.dossinger at xxx.com Mon Dec 28 17:27:36 1998 From: reid.dossinger at xxx.com (Reid Dossinger) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:27:36 -0400 Subject: Sinister: In the new old fashioned way Message-ID: <3687BF85.29320C64@bigfoot.com> Ahoy-hoy, Sinisterines. I hope Santa was kind to you all, even those of you who don't call him "Santa" (he only lets his friends call him that). My friends and I laughed and cried over the fact that our most desired Christmas presents are now kitchen wares. It's so goddamn domestic, but when you get right down to it, it's what we need most. After comparing excitement over salad spinners and knife sets, we were practically forced to go out drinking until the early hours, just to remind ourselves that we hadn't gotten weren't quite ready for the rocking chairs. So in houses that get a ton of magazines and newspapers, there is a deluge of "Critics picks for the year" articles, so I spent a good long time over my holidays reading them. The Boy With The Arab Strap didn't appear in *any* of the ones that I read. Which, I've decided, is good. Not that I would totally *mind* having them on those lists, but I like the idea of B&S staying out of the spotlight, ONLY because I like the fact that they quietly make their albums and EP's, relatively free from intense pressure and media scrutiny. A rash of "one of the best albums of the year!" could only lead to "next big thing" articles, which I (selfishly, I'll admit) don't want. I've never heard the Pastels before, but am curious, and I saw their album "Illumination" in the store, used for five bucks. Should I pick it up? Would it make a good impression, or is it one of those "it's a good album but it shouldn't be the first thing you hear by them" albums? Please help a confused little boy. So now we're thankfully past Christmas and onto New Years, which is my favorite holiday of the year. My wish for the future is that New Years Day becomes THE celebrated holiday, with the presents and the cheer and all that. It's perfect, as least for most western countries: it's not religious (aside from being aligned with the Christian calendar) and it's not a celebration of a war or an invasion, it's not for one person and has nothing to do with being in love. How great is it that there's this holiday that can't lead to stupid arguments and "anti-New Years" parties? And how do we treat it? By getting drunk the night before. To me, it's all about starting over again. So with that in mind, I wish you all a Happy New Year. Golly, how'd that mistletoe get there, Reid +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Funkyseb at xxx.com Mon Dec 28 16:23:02 1998 From: Funkyseb at xxx.com (Funkyseb at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:23:02 EST Subject: Sinister: To begin with; I was born without earlobes.* Message-ID: Hello popkids, All been gobbling shite like little festive veal calves? Good. I've squeezed out of my crate for a few minutes to talk to you all, well, it's only polite, isn't it? And no one's reported back from the blue sod crimbo party yet have they? Well, much fun was had by all and our host, the none- more-suave stevie trousers produced mountains of food which we all ate. Hoorah! And, lo, the angels of the list came upon us, and the glory of tag and tim p!o!p!kins shone all about us. And we were sore afraid. Or something. Then everyone put bits of shit in a sack, and got lovely gifts in return. At least, that's how it worked for me. I met lots of gorgeous people I hadn't seen before, and lots of ugly ones who I had. The evening wound down in the now traditional manner- indie-smindie pictionary, and popkins and trousers arguing drunkenly about scritti politti.Yaay! I type all this with cemented fingers, so excuse my occasional mispellings. I've just finished making a tiny wee bus, and painting it, and sticking on little tyres and things. It was all very exciting. Now I want to make a little tiny chip shop, and a little tiny cafe to go with it. And a house like a caravan. And when I suceed in cloning a tiny weeny Stuart M (from some DNA I found on an old felt T shirt), I can put them in his cage, to keep him happy, and stop him from chewing his legs off. I saw Billie the other day. She's bigger than she looks on telly, but then my telly's only little. Which maybe explains it. I work in her old stage school, and her file, if anyone's interested, describes her singing as 'basic'. She also has two mums, which is far more interesting than I'd have thought anyone from swindon would be capable of. Right, I'll leave you all to get back to your bickering. I'm off to Boston to see the big swans; they sound lovely. byebye seb * The first person to e mail me, stating the film that quote is ripped from, wins a simply fabulous prize. Oh yes indeed. (Unless it's Kneedham01 in which case you get a turd through the post for being a bastard) ''We had a good Xmas that year; it must have been good, 'cause they're still not talking to me.'' Animals that swim +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkolmar at xxx.com Mon Dec 28 22:06:52 1998 From: mkolmar at xxx.com (Mark Kolmar) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:06:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: To begin with; I was born without earlobes.* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 Funkyseb at aol.com wrote: > The evening wound down in the now traditional manner- indie-smindie > pictionary, and popkins and trousers arguing drunkenly about scritti > politti.Yaay! An argument about Scritti Politti? A -drunken- argument, yet? And a tradition on top of it?! I thought drunken arguments about music were limited to whether Van Halen was better with David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar. I imagine your argumentative guests were drunk on red wine, served with an assortment of fine cheeses of course. Anyone have the 2 singles Scritti Politti issued after _Provision_? I just remember they were both cover songs, which I (correctly) took as a bad sign for Green's popsong-writing future. However, I (incorrectly) assumed the singles would be folded into a new album. If you don't want to sell, perhaps we can arrange a trade -- I've got various 12" singles and the hard-to-find 1st album, _Songs to Remember_. Real B&S content: Hey, anyone know how many copies of IYFS were pressed by The Enclave? That's the one I have, and the label seemed to disappear immediately upon the disc's release. I don't suppose it is -rare-, but maybe uncommon compared to the Jeepster or Matador versions. --Mark +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com Mon Dec 28 23:21:23 1998 From: ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com (Ben Parker) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:21:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: stuff Message-ID: <19981228232123.10548.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Nice to see some people agreeing with me about that Girlfriend in a Coma book being none too great, (well one person anyway). I haven't lost my touch on yoof culture at 22 then, thank god. I've never read any of his other books, though, are they much better? The smiths still do mean a lot to me, as someone commented. I just find it strange that no other band could move me like they did those years ago, until I fell into a wave of self-obsession recently, then anyband could move me to tears, if you know what i mean. A nice healthy dose of angst, not teenage but just as potent. On the subject of lookalikes, as someone said that they got mistaken for nancy or whatever. this drunk bloke thought i was the singer from suede the other week,in a less than flattering light, and i once got followed through croydon high street, at the height of britpop, by a gang of teenage girls that all thought i was the singer from mensware. They actually thought i was him, witch was quite frightening actually, in a beatles mobbing sort of way. Not as intense, but still...suppose my haircut was too 'indie' for the masses of the time. Just thought i'd share that. Just boredom i suppose. BeN _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Tue Dec 29 03:36:57 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:36:57 -0800 Subject: Sinister: HAHAHA....and here's a good one!! Message-ID: <001201be32dc$7dadf920$3d11020a@rebelstrange> thank you alix for that tee-off to the stereolab reference of the day. (and thank you alix for being so groovy anyway) seconds to Brier's post, not that it means anything, but i am of the same opinion on that idea, so here is my grimy penny, it is a little moist from my clammy palm, and it's one of those from 1982 with all the green crusty copper patina on it. oh, and it's a little sticky too, it has sugary muck on it from this pink lolly i've been sucking, and i just dropped it on the dirt....ooooh mommy obviously it's slow pickings around the holiday and no one will be here to read these, but oh well! what do i care. i've just slept all day long. but one of the perks of that is having the best snogging dream of all time. we went into a museum where there was a dark room you had to light a candle and then kiss in the dark down this little passageway, and she started giggling mercilessily when i was going at her, (but in a pleasurable sort of way) and i was feeling like casanova, we kissed for about 2 minutes straight, then everyone was asking us what there was to do in there, and i couldn't say anything cos i was laughing and we ran out of the museum as quickly as we could. oh, and it wasn't who you would expect, being a sinister post. but she's pixylicious as well. boo. i'm still a little mad at her though, in real life. never mind. "life is never dull in your dreams.." i damn sure wish that being awake would catch up, though. anyone know how depressing it is to watch your youth and sensuality just shrivel up and die of disuse?? mm, i just the othe rday realized that the drum part in Track and Field is one of the drumming pinnacles of the western world. nuff said. any more suggestions for the scarily obsessive B&S Monopoly idea, bring them on. you, too, could be locked away from the light of the law-abiding world. oh, yeah, thanks peter. you''re a sweetheart. as it happens, i have hooked up with a very nice gentleman who is going to share some isobel "kinky schoolgirl" photos with me. oh yes, the wee world will soon be sullied by the mess of a thousand wankers in stained raincoats. "'Ey, 'ey, c'm over 'ere girly, hehehehe wanna lolly li'le girly, hehehe..." sad, but inescapable. *drooll* oh sorry. ahem. awright, no more em, skirting the issue, i've just had two nights in a row of intense making-out dreams, and i'm plainly lonelier than a......a........a really lonely person. so which clever girl wants a sinister date with the infamous me. we can play charades and have some tapioca pudding and you can dress up in that little school outfit, and sing French songs.....oh never mind. blast it all. *sigh* :( I guess that i'll just have to do with getting random flirty emails from boys who know they dont' have a chance. well at least it's something. *quiet sobbing is heard* i'm going to pout in the corner with my lolly until someone says they will kiss me. at least, i taste like strawberries now, so that's a plus......eh?eh?? insane in da membrane, lesleyJo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mew817 at xxx.com Tue Dec 29 02:49:38 1998 From: Mew817 at xxx.com (Mew817 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:49:38 EST Subject: Sinister: music and stuff... Message-ID: <5e29313c.36884342@aol.com> Hi everyone I hope you all had lovely holidays. Sorry, no B&S content from me... Jessicaxo wrote: > oh, poo, i now feel even more left out that i have no plans for new years. I don't have any plans this year either!! Last year I was in London for New Year's and that makes this year seem even more pitiful. Maybe I need a boring year, then next New Year's I'll have something exciting to do! I can try to rationalise it, can't I? Reid was asking about the Pastels, I too would like to know a good sarting point for the band. And the Tindersticks too... Any suggestions? Sorry if my musical knowledge is a bit lacking. I just saw "Waking Ned Divine" today. Someone else said they didn't like it but I quite enjoyed it. It made me laugh and smile and that was perfect for this rainy, cold winter day in Atlanta. Anyone else see the film? OK, that's it from me, take care of yourselves. mew x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clarence at xxx.com Tue Dec 29 03:13:25 1998 From: clarence at xxx.com (Clarence Tsui, Hong Chee) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:13:25 +0800 Subject: Sinister: SInister: REM and B&S Message-ID: <01D4225AECD3D011A53600805F9A205857CB3B@MAIL_SERVER_TP> Hi all, I was reading a past issue of Q and a review of REM's "Up". Under that they've got this wee list of records one shoudl hunt out if they like the said album. Under "Up" was the usual suspects (Radiohead's OK COmputer) but also our very own B&S's "TWATTYBUM"!!!!!! REM and B&S..... relationship between the two evident in what sense. discuss! (I do like "Up" by the way. Fabulously done, that) And to answer Reid: TWATTYBUM was number three on the festiev Top 50 at Select, behind Air and Pulp. Happy Hogmanay (or summat like that) Clarence +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Tue Dec 29 12:26:01 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:26:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Negro Session - Jordi Message-ID: <01be3326$652749c0$544d05c3@itjfvkli> No, not another of my juvenile sexual fantasies...Radio 3 in Spain are re-broadcasting the Black Session from gay Paris tonight, at 20.00 CET. Just in case anyone's interested. Especially Jordi. I promised Jordi a tape of said session a few months ago, but my tape deck has gone the way of all domestic appliances, so I can't do it. Jordi, if you miss the radio programme tonight, let me know and I'll try and persuade someone to take over my arduous duties. Also, I am extremely ill with a virulent strain of the common cold, so if I stop making sense, that's why. The Pastels: as Keith is currently undersubscribed I shall take it upon myself to do his duty. All The Pastels' records sound the same, so it doesn't matter which one you buy first. They're all shite, Reid. Gosh, I enjoyed that! Of course, they are not my own views. I would recommend "Up For a Bit" as a good starting point, mainly because it's the only one I've got. CS Lewis: The other day I was browsing through the Helter Skelter bookshop website to see what they had to say about Young and Foolish, but it wasn't there. But I did stumble across some book called Wilde is Goldie - Up West Bromwich Albion! which claims to have a chapter about CS Lewis, obviously in a inter-disciplinary pop media studies type context, which may be of interst to all the unicorn freaks out there. Oh dear, I'm running out of energy. Daisy.....Daisy.... Peter PS: I've got some Cuban music now, so you can stop worrying about me. PPS: I do so enjoy hearing from FunkySeb. I think the quotation comes from that spooky elizabethan mansion / red sports car, late sixties / early seventies, mystery / supernatural film starring Leonard Nimoy. I don't know what it's called. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Bellequasi at xxx.com Tue Dec 29 03:32:51 1998 From: Bellequasi at xxx.com (Bellequasi at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:32:51 EST Subject: Sinister: small question Message-ID: this may have people going "i thought i heard that last of that, not again!" but, has anyone heard if b&s have rescheduled the cancelled philadelphia show? if you know anything about it PLEASE mail me. kristie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From evanbear at xxx.com Tue Dec 29 04:21:09 1998 From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:21:09 -0500 Subject: Sinister: music and stuff... References: <5e29313c.36884342@aol.com> Message-ID: <368858B5.D3995FBF@javanet.com> i dunno much bout Pastels but for Tindersticks I'd suggest the 2nd one (with the suits that look like they was made out of dental floss not the one with the dancer Curtains (the most recent) is wondrous also but I think 2nd is better overall, though Curtains is closer to B&S with similar trumpet action i havent heard the other albums but have heard they are all great so i doubt you could go wrong im such a big help huh? ok my cat just stared at me for 5 minutes i think im gonna go hide or something ----Ev -- ----------------------------------------------------- I was happy when I put my new record on But I was sad as I listened to it all alone ---"Feeling Fine" by Class my home page: http://www.angelfire.com/ma/dixiecluck +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Tue Dec 29 16:06:06 1998 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:06:06 -0000 Subject: Sinister: and what's more - she was beautiful! * Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E223A5411@server1.HITEntertainment.com> I just had to write to tell you all about my rediscovery of the season. On Boxing day evening, after ridiculous drinking games which saw my best mate virtually dead, we went back to his house and spent the smallest hours playing with his fantastically updated Scalextric. It was astonishing! I can't believe I gave away mine a few years ago - what a fool! The buzz of learning how to slide the back wheels out on corners - god, I'm sounding such a boy here - anyway, it's fantastic. Full stop. What else - I have been desperately dull over the last few months whenever I've posted. I'm sure I was more interesting when I first arrived (arrogant, rude, pushy, above myself, I know, I know). Perhaps my life has got duller. Actually, that can't be right - my life is great at the moment in most ways, although my dicky tummy is quite upsetting, especially as I'm off to Glasgow in 2 and a half hours. Perhaps when my life is at its most tedious I actually have time to think of things to say. Anyway, this paragraph ranks alongside my more self-indulgent and pointless ones - I wonder if I can think of anything to say that'll keep you reading... I have come to realise this Christmas that I am physically incapable of winning a Christmas cracker. Is there some secret to it? I pulled about 6 this year (matron!) and inevitably lost every single one. Though I did get an overenthusiastic elbow in the face, but that's hardly a quality novelty item. I'd also like some style advice. Are spats a good thing? I would kind of like to purchase some, for a fancy dress party tomorrow night, but I feel I may just look a fool. Alix Campbell, you are a goddess. How can anyone be so deadpan in writing? I am your pupil, if you'll have me. Boring boring boring. I'd better go now and shiver. Kiss, Mark * I know almost nothing about films, but just to irritate some of you, can anyone tell me what film this line comes from? It's a truly great film... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From evanbear at xxx.com Tue Dec 29 20:04:31 1998 From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:04:31 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Lucksmiths Message-ID: <368935CA.82921079@javanet.com> i know theyve been mentioned here before but thought i'd put another plug in since i dont remember them being mntioned very recently just picked up their Untidy Town 7" which is out on Drive In/Matineé in the US i heard them on www.benno.com which was mentioned in #sinister there's a recording of a live lucksmith's show which is perty cool defnitely something B&S fans would dig, little bit B&S little bit Go-Betweens first 7" ive gotten in a while that hit so right i had to keep playing it (i think im on my 6th or 7th time through by now) but of course now i really want their cd which is theoretically available in the us, i really shouldnt spend that much though thats all just check em out oh their web page is at: www.lucksmiths.com.au -----Ev -- ----------------------------------------------------- I was happy when I put my new record on But I was sad as I listened to it all alone ---"Feeling Fine" by Class my home page: http://www.angelfire.com/ma/dixiecluck +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vlass at xxx.com Tue Dec 29 20:39:14 1998 From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:39:14 -0500 Subject: Sinister: the same old story Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981229203914.00a66dd4@mail.interlog.com> it's all grey-ey brown outside today and there's really pathetic half-melted snow on the ground. oh, woe is me. well, not really, but i am bored.. and i feel so far away from the sinister list these days - the digests seem so sparse, everyone is off holiday galavanting while i am still here with my trusty computer. ahh, the life! i read nick bantock's "the venetian's wife" and there are all these delightful emails in it. as well as those beautiful collages, so so pretty. i got 2 pairs of pyjamas for christmas, among other things. a new black diary for all my smut too! yes. sigh, i myself am dateless for new years.. well, some of my friends are insisting that i come with them to a party being held by a former high school companion of mine and, pretty much there is no way that i'm going to go. as much fun as high school was (in some respects :) ) why would i want to even vaguely relive it by surrounding myself with former school mates? so if any toronto sinisterines are wanting to do something on that magically overrated night, please let me know and save me from an otherwise night of torture.. hey, i sound rather down in this post, don't i? i'm actually.. well, hrrm. i guess i am feeling kind of down and i'm forcing it all on you :) i just want it to be summertime and sunny, i want it to be summertime so that i can travel around.. i had a belle and sebastian dream a week ago. i don't remember it well, but when i woke up i knew i had dreamt about them. teriiii ps.. i need new zines to read.. if anyone would like to read, please contact me? thank yoooo your eyes are long vermont roads/with a tacky song on the radio/and your eyes are toothless young men/in tenessee in the rain again/ the magnetic fields/ http://members.tripod.com/~meltingsnow/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Tue Dec 29 20:49:12 1998 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (Megan) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:49:12 +0300 Subject: Sinister: thoughts of a sober mind Message-ID: <001401be336c$f0251840$6f4202c3@lehard> hi. i'm bored, so i thought i would write. not that i would recommend that any of you lot try the same thing, you should be ashamed of yourselves. not that there aren't people who do that already, right mr miller? he pretends he throws parties for the van halen family when i'm quite certain that it's just him and his dog belle romping through the pyrenees. i don't think i'll lose any of my validity when you realize that i cannot spell said mountain range. sigh. oh well, that was the funny part of this email. now for the tragic part. because today i'm all about giving you, my lovely audience, a little bit of everything. scroll down for the t&a section. anyway, i really *do* have nothing to say. it is one of the oddities of college life that you spend three months being moderately busy, one month being suicidally busy, and the next month sitting on your ass in russia. though never for a moment should any of you think i'm lacking in employment. why, my days are filled with fun and history. why today i spent the morning playing a car racing game. they all have stupid titles so i seldom pay attention to that part. but one of the courses goes through *scotland*. another goes through *moscow*. is there some great cosmic connection? there's also the one for *easter island* but i'm not sure how that fits in. question, does anyone bother to read my posts? i'm being a waste of cyberspace right now. i would apologize but that would be a nice tihng to do and i'm working on being grrr tough so i can't do that. so who's coming to new york in the following year? i am for one. i'm working on being everyone's tour guide, though i've become antisocial in my old age. i remember the days when i'd talk to anyone who liked belle and sebastian, now i only talk to a select few and they have to know the secret handshake first. in order to learn the secret handshake you must be on the list for ten years, then fast for seven more, then write a song for belle and sebastian and give it to them, all the while pretending that you are doing no such thing and therefore keeping the facade alive. it's all very simple. there's this wonderful toystore i found the other day, it has stuffed foxes. i could throw one outside and yell fox in the snow, but no one here speaks english anyway so they'd probably just tackle me and send me to lubyanka. it's a museum now so i could be an exhibit. the store also had a life sized stuffed reindeer. he's my new best friend. i love you all. xoxox megan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cchaffin at xxx.org Tue Dec 29 20:58:42 1998 From: cchaffin at xxx.org (Christa Chaffinch) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:58:42 -0500 Subject: Sinister: they'll like what i tell 'em to like Message-ID: well, since it looks like slim pickins in the world of sinister, i decided to write to the list. lesleyJo, this is my final weak attempt at the ring. ;) i decided to carry on the recent trend of telling you all what i got for christmas. hmmmm, some clothes, stuff for my house, a stuffed fox :) , the biography of Nick Drake and a lovely book of Edna St Vincent Millay poems of which this is my favorite: **** my candle burns at both ends, it will not last the night. but ah, my foes, and oh, my friends, it gives a lovely light! **** it makes me happy, it does. 30 more minutes and i can leave work!! i am so utterly bored i want to scream. i feel like stripping off my clothes and streaking the whole building, waving my arms wildly above my head. HEY! Kevin in Accounting!! Want a piece of THIS??!! *sigh* i hope everyone had a good holiday, and has an even better new years celebration. that night has such potential!! it never really ends up being as good as it should be, though. i wonder why. get out there and live it up, people!! that's an order. the eggnog! the champagne! there's no turning back, -christa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From whoru at xxx.Net Tue Dec 29 21:26:45 1998 From: whoru at xxx.Net (Blake Hamilton) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:26:45 -0500 Subject: Sinister: that point... Message-ID: <001601be3371$f09e9bc0$ef404ace@woody> All-- Thinking today, as I hold all the EPs I didn't have already (the first 3), that i just received via mail, I realize something quite incredible-- wouldn't you agree that perhaps the best 'feeling' with music is that point where the music is incredibly fresh, new and exciting. You know, before it becomes something you've had for a while. Don't you wish you could rediscover an album all over again? I wish I could rediscover Quadrophenia, or Sinister all over again. There's that point where you must sit back in your comfy chair, close your eyes and just open your ears. Just a thought... hope someone feels the same. as always, blake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mphintz at xxx.com Wed Dec 30 00:21:12 1998 From: Mphintz at xxx.com (Mphintz at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:21:12 EST Subject: Sinister: sinister ministers Message-ID: I've come back from a little holiday trip from New Jersey to Ohio to Chicago, and, of course, back again to New Jersey. Now, I had thoughts to continue on west, just driving the car in a Kerouac-fantasy, but I was given an electric tea kettle as a present and I quite looked forward to trying it out. If only the car had an electrical outlet... I was at my brother's house; he is a minister. Only three people have said to me "you must have heard it a hundred times, but 'if you're feeling sinister...'" and more curious, the three were all French. I went to his church service on Sunday, and he preached about Teletubbies. However, he said they were neither the new Christ and antiChrist--rather he said "Again! Again!" and something about the Bible. But he had to do that; it's his job. He gave me a poster of the Spice Girls and another with Jesus on his houseboat--yes, apparently Jesus does have a houseboat! Living and loving Matthew +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Wed Dec 30 00:56:00 1998 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:56:00 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Holiday Hijinx Message-ID: <36897A20.A88F3D75@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Hello List, Been a while since I've posted, but I've enjoyed very much *not* working, so I haven't done much at all in the way of work. Firstly, regarding Lesley Jo's idea of a B&S-opoly, I am one step ahead. I had my mom get me a "Make-Your-Own-opoly" game for Christmas. I bet you can only guess to what evil ends I had her do this >=) When Megan gets back from Russia in a bit I will create the game with her, and then have some friends over who do like the band (that will be difficult since most people I know in Athens are not B&S fans) and play it. Perhaps I'll take pictures... I made my Belle & Sebastian tape. If anyone is seriously interested in the tracklisting, you can e-mail me, but I don't think that anyone is quite that obsessed. It's fun though, and I lurve the cover. I found out that yet another of my former high school friends is a B&S fan, and tomorrow I'm going thrift shopping with him and another one, so we'll probably play the tape and make a day of it. (Sigh) if only I could find more friends at college who liked them... On the subject of Top Ten of '98 lists, I have discovered a rather innocuous way of doing this. If anyone is actually interested in reading mine, you can go to , and also see my current turntable faves. See? No wasted space, no hissy-fits over people stopping posting of their lists. Now, I wouldn't recommend posting a message with just "Go to my Top Ten List: ," without having something else to say. Just work it in to a regular post... /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick/Sandcastle Records <<->> bp224995 at ohiou.edu \ / Sandcastle Records Homepage: ICQ#5056758 | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From EvKatz at xxx.com Wed Dec 30 01:52:20 1998 From: EvKatz at xxx.com (EvKatz at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:52:20 EST Subject: Sinister: Pastels/Tindersticks in relation to B&S Message-ID: <7e5e7415.36898754@aol.com> First replies from a new member to the list: PASTELS -- I agree with whoever said they all sounded the same and weren't anything special. They've got a new "remix" album out which for some reason I bought, and while the songs on it do sound different, it's just a lot of looping/scratching/sampling stuff, which I'm getting real bored by. TINDERSTICKS -- Both albums have their strong songs. They've also got a live disc out they did with a full orchestra that came as a bonus disc with the second album, and then was sold separately -- I think. I actually think that would be the best starting point. But -- be warned. They're a band I allways wanted to like more than I've ever been able to. While they use a lot of similar instrumentation, I find the Tinderstick's vocalist hard to listen to. He sings in a very deep, dreary monotone -- the opposite of B & S, who manage to be touching but also uplifting, in part because of the vocals. I would also submit that the lyrics don't touch B&S's. And, that on B&S's best songs, the melodies are much stronger. Unfortunately, I don't put a lot of songs on TBWTAS in that category. But I'm sure that's a point that's been hashed over quite a bit on this list. Evan Katz(newbie) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Wed Dec 30 02:23:52 1998 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:23:52 PST Subject: Sinister: he's lost in the mountains Message-ID: <19981230022353.4076.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello sweet list! How are you? Good Christmas..and still enjoying? I find these days are better in fact,cos now you don't have to rush to get all these little errands done...a most strange occurcence,i spent like 45 minutes picking out some lovely pairs of knitted knee socks..and when i came home? not in the bag! oh well,mischeif elves or something,for sure. i went cross-country skiiing for the first time today..and you know how when you were little you'd play little imaginary games? well i did all the time...always in the forest,i'd pretend i was a fairy named firefly (or something like that) and that i had fire powers! well today i got magically transported back into that world..skiiing throught the treacherous forests,where i have to make it before dusk,to the mountaintop,where wee stuart is being held captive by war-lords! AND along the way i have to be extra careful,as the wolves are running amuck..but i am guided by wee stuarts sweet song and voice (and cigarette burning,the billowing smoke guides me..plus stuart knows smoke signals) and i've falled throught the vile field of ice-encrusted weeds,and i am cut...but soon i will be reunited with stuart,his little swiss snow-maiden and i will kill the war-lords by piercing them with my ski poles (right throught the heart) and wrapping up stuart's body in a tartan blanket,carrying him on my back while i ski down the glistening hills..back to the cabin. mmmm! i think i will turn it into a short story..i think you could get some great description in there... tiny hands enfolding, skin translucent and blue. anyways..as my brother is visiting,i got a great shock about belle and sebastian fans as seen through others eyes? you mean were NOT cool? i always thought this was just a joke...well i don't know so much if it's belle and sebastian,but he told me when i go to college i might turn into a 'romulant'...gathering in DC? wearing tight trousers? listening to the make-up? (who are the make-up?i'm getting these crazy genres thrown at me and i don't understand) long pointy side-burns? (oh my,i'm going to grow side-burns!) i'm afraid dear hearts! or is this just a thing on the side..that has grown a strange stereotype..like in Father Keith's FAQ? "are they twee?" "no they rock" Father Miller? do you know what this is all about? Romulants!? does romulant mean you get TOO wimpy on that P!O!P scale? (P!i!s!s p!O!o!r P!o!p ??) you're a man of knowledge,explain. phew! wee stuart! that log cabin..soon have fun at these socials that are going on,i like Funky Seb's description on them (warm and comical)but i just like the way Funky Seb writes..! xxxxx uch love,honey bunnies swiss-miss mrs.murdoch life saver ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Wed Dec 30 03:00:54 1998 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:00:54 -0500 Subject: Sinister: i don't know where you think you're going without your socks on Message-ID: <007b01be33a0$bada3880$761e05d1@tinystar> hi all, alix's story about her walkman being stolen reminded me of a time when i loaned my cure tape "standing on the beach" to a boy i barely knew (this was about 6 years ago, now...geez, i feel old) and he didn't give it back for ages and ages, and when it was approaching 6 months that he had it, i asked if maybe i could have it back and it turned out that he had been mugged and his walkman had been stolen with my tape in it. and there i was thinking that he had fallen in love with it and just didn't want to give it up. although there are much better cure albums to adore (oh, i should stop myself here, but i still can't get enough of disintegration or wish), i was pleased that he showed some interest in a band that i liked. the cure was really my first big music obsession, i bought one of their albums because a boy i was crushing on at the time liked them, and i ended up getting sucked in and buying album after album and teeshirts and seeing them in concert and tracking down rare recordings...i went a little nutty, and although i've never been that way about any band since (i think everyone is limited to just one obsessive band reaction) b+s gives me that same feeling, of there being a whole world out there that i don't know about that's better than what's here. it's like all of a sudden things were in technicolor from black and white, like the wizard of oz, where you don't really see what's missing and then one thing changes and your whole life seems to have been retouched and misty but clear at the same time. i'm rambling now, but i'm having a slightly sentimental moment after ahren telling me that he'll miss me over new year's, since he's going to montreal and i'm not. that boy is just such a cutie. i got the most amazing book for christmas, it's just called 'plastic' and it's about the whole history of plastics and how they're used and they're totally necessary now, and the different people that discovered their different uses by adding camphor and stuff to make them more pliable. i'm such a geek, i know, but it's the coolest thing! and my family was saying, "so you really wanted this book? you weren't just joking?". i also got 'girl goddess #9' by francesca lia block (of weetzie bat fame) and a book about jeopardy! that gives stories about alex trebek and contestants. hey, my mom got it at a library book sale for 50 cents, don't knock it. oh, and an electric toothbrush! whirr, whirr and my teeth are sparkly! that's also been so much fun that i now brush my teeth, like, four times a day. but there's nothing wrong with that. i think this will be my last post of the year, i feel like i should be writing up some sort of "favourite records" list, but for now i'm just going to swoop out of here with an evil "bwa-ha-ha" and a twirl of my cape. every girl needs a cape, i tell ya. even if it's only made from a furry blanket. toodles, jessicaxo ps. i couldn't help but notice that i'm slipping on the list crush poll. that may be because you all didn't see me in my ice princess coat, but come on, people. imagination! just close your eyes and see what happens. and then vote for me and massage my ego. virtually, of course. who knows what sorts of germs you can pick up out there. pps. party like it's 1999! oh, please, you knew you were thinking it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Wed Dec 30 13:09:42 1998 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:09:42 -0000 Subject: Sinister: a load of bollocks Message-ID: <005501be33f5$bb7d2ea0$7f45a8c2@n2f9x2> hello chums like mark c, i also spent boxing day playing with toys. due to severe boredom, myself and two friends got the marble run construction kit out and whiled away the hours watching a small glass ball roll down a badly made track. the excitement was immense, but quickly wore off. at this point we began hurling the bits of track around my room, and, then as my incredibly christian neighbours drove up the drive, we started throwing statuettes of the virgin mary and her lovely husband jo out of the window. i think i'll stop telling this story... my school of deadpan is now open to anyone wishing to be educated. it's a school with no set curriculum and no PE lessons. milk will be served during morning break and you will get beaten up if you bring yo yo's along. By me. anyway, a very happy new year to the lot of you. sadly it looks like i will end up pissed and vomiting copiously in someone else's house again. hopefully this year, though, most of the 6th form won't be there also. my dad's just thrown me off the computer. bastard love alix ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "No, Patrick," Luis says. "They were . . . broiled" It's silent in the boardroom as I comtemplate this, thinking it through before asking, finally, "What's 'broiled,' Luis?" "I'm not sure," he says. "I think it involves . . . a pan" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sc_norman at xxx.com Wed Dec 30 13:15:27 1998 From: sc_norman at xxx.com (Sam Norman) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:15:27 PST Subject: Sinister: dundee Message-ID: <19981230131527.27656.qmail@hotmail.com> hi well as some of you may have guessed from my mails before crimbo i am spending hogmanay in dundee, with some friends or should that be fiends. anyway to cut a long story short i thought it would be nice to meet up with some other people from the list. if anyone wants to we were thinking of the rat and parrot in the centre (we don't know any other pubs we only arrived yesterday) on new years day around lunch time. anyone interested please mail me at my hotmail address s_norman at hotmail.com asap. rat and parrot 1/1/99 1pm ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Wed Dec 30 02:33:34 1998 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:33:34 -0800 Subject: Sinister: Pastels/Tindersticks in relation to B&S In-Reply-To: <7e5e7415.36898754@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981229183334.007ca100@mail.hooked.net> At 08:52 PM 12/29/98 EST, EvKatz at aol.com wrote: >TINDERSTICKS -- And, that on B&S's best songs, >the melodies are much stronger. Unfortunately, I don't put a lot of songs on >TBWTAS in that category. But I'm sure that's a point that's been hashed over >quite a bit on this list. I'll second that comment. I'm much less of a fan of the complete album TBWTAS than previous works, despite certain sparkling songs. Not sure if it's been hashed over, quite a bit either. BTW, there's something maddening about not seeing any snow in the winter. I'd even take the 10,000 pounds of sludge that go with it. senor droolcup +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mphintz at xxx.com Wed Dec 30 02:57:03 1998 From: Mphintz at xxx.com (Mphintz at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:57:03 EST Subject: Sinister: play games with my heart Message-ID: <26da6315.3689967f@aol.com> <> Um, actually I am one step ahead since I made up a Belle and Sebastianopoly game back in April. This is from Honey's archives: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ •Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:29:51 EDT •From: PKHINTZ •Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastianopoly ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Call it divine inspiration, call it the result of enjoying the post- appendectomy painkillers too much, call it the bouncing of my feeble brain against the inside of the skull as I faked a limp. . . Since we still have a few months before the new lp is to be released I thought that there must be a way for us Sinisterines to entertain ourselves. Imagine a Belle and Sebastian board game--B&Sopoly, if you will. For one to eight players. Recomended for people 16 and up, preferably with the life outlook of an 8 year old, the mind of a 15 year old, and the weariness and sorrow of the human race. For your game piece choose either a fox, a camera, a bus, a dog-on-wheels, a piece of cake, an Elvis (whatever that is), a line, or a horse. Instead of pieces of real estate to buy as in Monopoly, this board has places that figure in the band's history and songs. Featured sites are the churchhouse, Kelingrove Park, the coffeehouse the members met, Union Chapel, Gloucester Road, Manchester Town Hall, Liverpool, West 54th. Street studio, etc. No "Go Directly to Jail" cards in this game; it would be replaced with "Chat With Fans on IRC", or "Sit Down For Proper Interview". (However, if you the player decide not to show up to either, no one can make you.) There would be other cards to be drawn in the course of the game. Examples: "Return to Manchester because Isobel left her rockstop", or "Lose turn while searching for Lawrence from Felt in London". No money, play or real, would exchange hands during the coure of the game--that would just be vulgar to sensitive sensibilities. Unless of course, you draw a card that offers you the chance to buy a copy of _Tigermilk_. Then it is a free for all. The objective of the game? There is none. Move your piece around the board for a few hours until you lose interest to do something more worthwhile, like taking a nap, or writing a story or song. Who else would like to play? Living and loving Mr. Matthew Manners +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From HadieLB at xxx.com Wed Dec 30 07:40:26 1998 From: HadieLB at xxx.com (HadieLB at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:40:26 EST Subject: Sinister: the enclave, la di da Message-ID: In a message dated 12/29/98 2:25:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark wrote: << Hey, anyone know how many copies of IYFS were pressed by The Enclave? That's the one I have, and the label seemed to disappear immediately upon the disc's release. I don't suppose it is -rare-, but maybe uncommon compared to the Jeepster or Matador versions.>> yes, my copy is an Enclave copy too. i got it from the Matador offices. i don't know how many Enclave copies were pressed, but they gave a lot of their extra copies to Matador, when the label folded. Matador used the extras as promos and such. i don't think there are many Enclave copies left *at all*-- when i got mine, there was like one left in the promo closet. or something. i wanna have some make-out dreams... and make-outs in real life... :P --laura +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sburon at xxx.fr Wed Dec 30 12:05:14 1998 From: sburon at xxx.fr (Buron Stéphane) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:05:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: ...when you're having no fun... Message-ID: <368A16F8.33BE6D0E@club-internet.fr> Hi kids!!! It's been a very very long time... I dont even remember when I last posted on the list. And yet, I've not unsubbed, I'm still here (but nobody cares anyway, since nobody remembers me... sigh...) I still read carefully your messages (more or less) and wish I could write nice stories too. But I cant. Look, I had a Belle & Sebastian dream two nights ago but it was too short and nonsens: I was talking with Stuart Murdoch and, hum, that's all I'm afraid. That's why I've got nothing to say. But I decided to write that I had nothing to say, simply because others do it and because this list is soooo quiet these days. Have you noticed the number of messages in which listees say they are "bored"??? It's amazing. You should go and have a look at the sinister archives and search for the word, you'd have fun (especially if you're bored, but anyway you are, we are...) Speaking of the archives... Yesterday, I tried to search for the phrase "soul of an unearthly" and found almost nothing. Well, a few people asked what it meant but there seems to be no answer. Does it come from a Postcard record? From a fanzine? Is it the title of a book? No, it's not, since i've also searched on amazon.com and other book stores. It's a shame: i'd love to read something new, more or less related to belle and sebastian, cause i've finished the books i wanted to read: Sylvia Plath, The Bell Jar (no, not The Belle Jar, the meaning would be slightly different...) which is a great novel ; Young and Foolish by you-know-who ; and an anthology of "new writing", coming directly from Glasgow (thanks Nik!). By the way, there is a wee story written by Ciara Mac Laverty, the Sinister "cover star". I didnt know she was a writer, at least sort of. I like her novel. .. I almost forgot to tell you I had the best christmas present in the world... Guess what??? A new "bus tshirt"!!! I had an original one, bought in Manchester, but the washing machines didnt like it and now i could offer this wee shirt to my youngest brother (if I had one...) So my girlfriend managed to scan the bus design and to put it on a new shirt... and here is the nicest christmas present I ever had. That's it, now. Just a last thing: a few weeks ago, my computer exploded and I lost everything (addresses, files, netscape, everything...). So, Jennifer, if you ever read this message, write to me cause I dont know where you are anymore... The same for Niall, this nice boy from Dublin I met before the B&S gig in Paris... And if you're bored and dont know what to do, why dont you have a look at my web site (provided you speak french...). It's at http://www.chez.com/tweeclub. I have to eat my quiche lorraine, now... Take care Stephane +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sc_norman at xxx.com Wed Dec 30 13:24:46 1998 From: sc_norman at xxx.com (Sam Norman) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:24:46 PST Subject: Sinister: dundee i'm an idiot Message-ID: <19981230132447.12496.qmail@hotmail.com> about the meetup my hotmail address is actually sc_norman at hotmail.com not s_norman at hotmail.com :) ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Wed Dec 30 14:41:27 1998 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:41:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Mister Grimsdale! Consolidated Dairies!* Message-ID: <01be3402$7bf53900$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Magnetic Megan, I'm not bored at the moment. It has been known to happen though. Today I am writing to report on the exciting rebroadcast of the Black Session on Spanish National Radio 3 last night. It was shit, a complete load of bollocks. They had a half hour slot, so one might have expected them to do a bit of editing, select the best bits and erase the embarrassing gaps. Too much trouble. Instead they played the first thirty minutes and talked bollocks over the gaps. Now I know lots of people talk bollocks about Belle and Sebastian, some people even write bollocks about Belle and Sebastian, but none of it could compare to the bollocks beamed out last night. Apparently Stuart Murdoch has been taken prisoner by literature and thinks that the world is too antiseptic to fall in love. Pah! He could have fooled me with that look he had on his face when I saw him scurrying away from the public lavatories in the park the other day! I'm sure he had a beamer. But I digress. The only good thing about the radio extravaganza was the chance to hear "I Know Where the Summer Goes" (I sang that bit), which was originally obscured by the latest developments in the Monica Lewinsky scandal. It was good. It struck me that "The Wrong Girl" is a bit like "The Laughing Gnome" by David Bowie. Or it could be, if they put their minds to it. I saw "The Boy With the Arab Strap" in the ethnic music department of my local superstore, no doubt because of the word "arab". Didn't think of that, did you Murdoch? Ha! And now you've lost a potential customer, or gained one, depending. Well, no you haven't, because we put it in the right place, next to the Beastie Boys and Bob Dylan. B for Bob, it's like that here. Who would like to laugh at me, and point and call me rude names? Now would be a good time. I bought some Cuban music, in a desperate attempt to like ten types of music before New Year. It's a double CD and I got CD one twice. Heavy bummer, not least because CD two contains a version of "There's Only One Derby County" the unofficial Cuban national anthem. All right Megan, guilty as accused. I don't know what a Romulant is, I'm afraid. But I would like to rediscover The WHO's Quadrophenia all over again. But what I would most like to rediscover all over again is the two albums on one CD Gram Parsons "GP / Grievious Angel" thing - it always makes me inexplicably jealous when I see it in shops, waiting for someone to buy it. Strange but true. Here's a question from the trivia game I have the pleasure of translating: What did Jimi Hendrix do at the 1967 Monterrey Festival? a) burn his guitar b) nothing, he wasn't there c) hold a meeting in favour of the Ku Klux Klan Goodbye, Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stray4f at xxx.net Wed Dec 30 16:46:17 1998 From: stray4f at xxx.net (999) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:46:17 -0400 Subject: Sinister: better copy of black sessions? Message-ID: <199812301752.MAA85630@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> Just wanted to check in with a pair of questions/requests: does the version of "Slow Graffiti" on the Acid House soundtrack differ from the version on the EP in any way? does anyone have a copy of the Black Sessions/Tigermilk that isn't recorded in mono (left channel only) peaking at around -10 db? The music is wonderfull, but I am ready to actually hear it in a version that doesn't sound like it was high-speed dubbed on a clock radio. The Dirty Dream video is coming along well, so thanks again to everyone who came to Athens to take part. I'm deep in the process of sorting through the footage right now, and it is looking gorgeous except for the sad 100 feet of film that broke the registration/pull down claw of one of the cameras and came out as a complete blur. It's only a few minutes of all the footage, but unfortunately it contained the only shots of Robbie and Brad who came up from Albany, and I can't apologize enough to them for the bad luck. Finally, for any list members in the UK, there are a pair of other pieces I shot that are airing. I believe that there is some sort of NME television special in the early new year that will be broadcasting some documentary footage of Hole that I shot while they made their recent album. I know that this is horribley off-topic and everyone is probably aghast at their mention, but the process of being in those sessions for so long, surviving it, and now finally having the footage surface a year later is sort of nice. At the other end of the spectrum, there is a rather hilarious video for Fatboy Slim's "Praise You" that we shot tourist-style on camcorders of Spike Jonze dancing as a misguided street performer that should be airing quite a bit across Europe, and will begin airing in the States in a few weeks. The Dirty Dream video, I am pleased to say, will look nothing like either of those pieces. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alexis at xxx.uk Wed Dec 30 18:21:30 1998 From: alexis at xxx.uk (Alexis Petridis) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:21:30 +0000 Subject: Sinister: black sessions Message-ID: I'm new to this list, and, at the risk of sounding deeply ignorant, would anyone care to tell me what these Black sessions that people keep going on about are? Clearly, it's some sort of B&S radio sesh, but what do they play on it? The only session I've got a copy of is an old one from Mark Lamarr's Radio 5 show with Tigermilk/Sinister era material on it... Apologies for posting something that sounds like Record Collector magazine. I actually do have a personality etc. Alexis xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hynesdj at xxx.ie Wed Dec 30 19:03:39 1998 From: hynesdj at xxx.ie (Declan and Noren Hynes) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:03:39 -0000 Subject: Sinister: a virtual virgin Message-ID: <01BE3427.204C6900.hynesdj@iol.ie> salutations listees (is that the proper grammar?) everyone has to start somewhere so i'm taking the plunge with my first post to the list, my cold hands are trembling as i type. I took Pauls advice and studied the list for a few days, and reading all the posts has filled me with a nice sense of community, the list does seem to extend further than the music and the band. Belle and Sebastian seem to have created their own sub-culture. I don't think anyone who has fallen for belle and sebstian can sniff nonchanantly and say "yeh, they're alrigh'". Fans are steeped in them. I think it's sort of a comsuming passion. I first heard of them over a year ago when i got sent a tape from Soozy Cole (i'm not sure if she subscribes, if thats then case CHEERS SOOZ) I must say i was smitten, and still am. I don't know of very many other fans in Dublin, but i'm sure they exist. And i must say i was surprised to see so many american fans, i felt like i should have known of this gem of a band before people in the U.S., purely out of geographical snobbery. But theres no place for that, Belle and Sebastian are magic, and everyone deserves magic in their lives. in relation to Blakes post about that point........ where the music is incredibly fresh, new and exciting. You know, before it becomes something you've had for a while. Don't you wish you could rediscover an album all over again? ........ I totally agree Blake, in fact i often think about it. But not just in relation to music, to everything. What if you never had to read the same thing twice, walk down the same street more than once, ever. Taking it to the extremes, even not having to see the same person more than once. But i think without familiarity we'd all go slowly insane, and an old cherished CD, one that sounded so fresh and sparkly the first time you heard it, can still be new and exciting, it's all relative to ones state of mind. But in contradiction to myself, one album i'd love to rediscover is ziggy stardust. well, those were my first few tentative steps into the realm of sinisterness. i've lots more to say, but maybe i shouldn't overstay my welcome, like an eager beaver. and theres the small fact that my attic is bloody freezing. slan finn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Wed Dec 30 19:21:34 1998 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (Megan) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:21:34 +0300 Subject: Sinister: at least that's what we say we are doing Message-ID: <000801be3429$f45ea760$164e02c3@lehard> today i went to dedsky mir, which translates to children's world assuming that i spelled it right, and bought a fox. there were several to choose from, big and little. some had bushy tails and others didn't. mine doesn't, but he has a little dark spot on his forehead and cute velvety paws and bushy white cheeks. i haven't decided on a name, i've been calling him foxy. though i feel like that isn't very creative and my little fox deserves something better. the naming is a task not to be taken lightly. luckily discussing foxes, even if they're plush, is sufficent content for this. if i throw it out the window it would be in the snow, though perhaps slush is a more accurate term now. a couple of warmer days have melted the snow a little, though i hope it will snow again for new years. i'm coming to like snow quite well. i never grew up with it, so it was a novelty to me for a good long while. in texas, a thin dusting on the ground was enough to call off school. i remember trying to make snowmen, and that it took almost the whole lawns worth of snow to make a head, and it was never a round head, more of a melty head that seemed to be rising out of the ground. but we tried. again i have no content. actually i was just thinking, which i do from time to time, and realized taht we haven't had any b&s news in a little while, after quite a glut this fall. i like gluts. as long as their good things. so anyway, does anybody have any idea of what's going on in their pretty little heads? conjecture is more welcome than fact. i wonder if the band members are scared of the list? thoughi suppose it's no worse than when susannah used to write smut about stuart david. and i don't think that scared him at all. though he's that kind of guy i think. you offer the right guy smut and it works everytime. not that i would know anything about that. i don't even know what smut is. smut backwards is tums. do i sense a global conspiracy? ok, the only acceptable thing about ramblings is brevity. so i'm off to dance amidst the ice fairies. xoxoxo megan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mneimark at xxx.com Wed Dec 30 20:26:25 1998 From: mneimark at xxx.com (Matthew Neimark) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:26:25 PST Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian sheet music Message-ID: <19981230202625.27948.qmail@hotmail.com> I've seen lots of guitar chords for B&S which is great...but I was wondering if there's any piano sheet music that people have been playing around with. If so...there's a cassette tape reward with your name on it. Matt ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From steve at xxx.uk Wed Dec 30 23:00:40 1998 From: steve at xxx.uk (Steve Genge) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:00:40 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Dreaming of Combine Harvesters Message-ID: <000d01be3448$3a890320$8ee5989e@wphnvffu> A dream of Belle & Sebastian: It was Monday afternoon in Southampton & I suddenly remembered that Belle & Sebastian were playing at that top venue the Joiners Arms that very night. At this point I should have realised it was in fact a dream as the last band I intended to see there were The Cranberries who were thankfully cancelled when Deplorable O`Reardon & CO's PA wouldn't fit through the door. Anyhoo I digress, "Bugger!" I thought B&S are such a top pop combo & the Joiners is very very small they're BOUND to have sold out of tickets. But then as I approached the pub I could hear the familiar strains of "Is It Wicked Not To Care?" wafting over the rusty metal cages of the cattle market like the fluttering of a butterflies wings. I rushed in to an empty hall & to my absolute horror found not our heroes on-stage but those loveable Cider drinkers The Wurzils playing B&S songs!! Apparently the band had to cancel at the last minute due to illness so they had sent along their west country pop chums instead. If that wasn't bad enough I then slipped into another dream where my list crush & myself had spawned an off-cut sorry offspring & apparently it was her first birthday. Well I looked down at the huge pile of presents provided by the child's mother & then down at my well thought out purchases. To my utter confusion I appeared to have bought the lucky child two large cans of corned beef! At that point I decided I'd better wake up. Where's Megan & her dream analysis when you need it?? Happy New Year by the way. Steve x "Pain and beauty, our constant bedfellows." Sabine Strohem steve at seahorses.demon.co.uk Red Roses For Me Fanzine & Records For Sale http://surf.to/redroses +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Arigreen23 at xxx.com Wed Dec 30 22:41:53 1998 From: Arigreen23 at xxx.com (Arigreen23 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:41:53 EST Subject: Sinister: hello..new york..etc.. Message-ID: hello all. gosh, i haven't posted in the longest while. and i must admit i'm more than a bit backed up on sinister e-mails in my mailbox...but oh well. i'm making the trek up to new york this weekend to see the jackson pollock show and various other things...if anyone sees me say hi. i'll be wearing a bowling shirt and courderoys some of the time. i have dark glasses. yay! someone will most definetely see me. if anyone knows any spiffy NYC hangouts, tell me! on another note, at a christmas party last week someone overheard me telling a friend about belle and sebastian, and went on to tell me how his boss at a record store plays them all the time...he called them "decent"..oh well. it was neat. have a nice new years, folks... ari +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Thu Dec 31 03:53:31 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:53:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: MY favorite author Message-ID: Just thought I'd add a somewhat late contribution to all the book talk. My favorite author has for years been the one and only romantic son of a Nottingham coal miner, the one and only, D.H. Lawrence. Lawrence is the GREATEST, and if you don't believe me, read "Lady Chatterly's Lover." It has some of the best smut, er, sex scenes written in the English language. Lawrence sure knew how to write about sex, but sex was only the beginning of his great literary genius. His view of the world was that the ego and the will to control and to know are forces that prevent man from really living, as he should, as a part of the "life force" of nature. Only those who were willing to let go of the urgency of their will could tune into the more subtle patterns of lif. There is a song by the Stranglers, called "Toiler on the Sea" that reminds me a great deal of "Lady Chatterly's Lover." Anyway, I would recommend Lawrence to anyone. In addition to LCL, I have read "Women in Love," "Sons and Lovers" and "The Rainbow." All are marvelous. Just felt like sharing. Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From belleandsebby at xxx.com Thu Dec 31 04:02:39 1998 From: belleandsebby at xxx.com (Brian Quain) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:02:39 PST Subject: Sinister: b&s trading, and new to the list Message-ID: <19981231040241.15074.qmail@hotmail.com> hey i got some stuff i wanna trade with everyone, and also i am new to this and just wanted to say hey to everyone reading this. I am looking for a good and better sounding Black Sessions!! If you can help, whooohooo! thanks! also i am loking for pics (will buy, or trade, whichever) all i have are pics from athens i took. basically doing it for a web page. Well i wanna make this short and sweet, dont want to geet into authors, favorite b&s songs, or which one is cuter. Thanks and email me back! brian! ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From winboog at xxx.net Thu Dec 31 04:16:52 1998 From: winboog at xxx.net (Robert Morris) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:16:52 -0500 Subject: Sinister: A whole new set of friends Message-ID: <199812310431.XAA23474@home.gis.net> Greetings all, As we sit in our respective caves preparing to get ready to party like it's 1999, I'm going to launch my initial assault on the Sinister list. I initially thought it was a little snooty to tell newbies to study up for a week or more before posting some inane question. After I decided to stay and find out just what kind of elitist jerks resided on this list, I learned to love each and every one of you, and glad I waited more than a week before posting. I had the worst Christmas ever, there was a huge bombshell dropped during dinner with my Dad and his soon to be third ex-wife about some shenanigans going on with him and my ex-girlfriend. What ?!?!?!? Anyway.... I was feeling incredibly miserable the day after, like I didn't have a friend in the world, completely betrayed by everyone I had ever known. I even went to the rehearsal space with a friend and played some really obnoxious Faces covers, which didn't help a lick. I had a solitary dinner of Pad Thai and Tom Ga soup in Chinatown, then decided to go drown my sorrows under the stacks in the local record shop. After looking at every single record in the bins,and deciding to leave the store with more than a few of them, I made my way to the counter to be rung up. There was this couple that were a little too cute for my liking there, not being in any sort of mood for cute couples at this particular juncture. All of a sudden I was being punched on the arm by the girl, who was way too cute, asking me what I was getting. This complete stranger was showing me more love than I had ever known, just with a simple punch. I shared my purchases and she reacted to the ones she liked by punching my arm. We both agreed that the Rolling Stones' Sway is one of their best. She then asked the clerk if they had any of the Belle and Sebastian EPs. It was then that the ball really got rolling, and she, the boy with her, and I had a great chat about B&S, the show in Boston that none of us got to see, and just became great friends for about three minutes, and then they were gone. Even though it was so short lived, it really made my night, and saved me from extreme self-pity, and I was able to return to just a normal dose of self-pity. All because of this little pop band that I've never seen from some place I've never been. It was pretty special. On the subject of discovering, or rediscovering records for the first time; I wished that I had saved a Beatles record for many years from now. I couldn't imagine hearing the White Album or something for the first time again. I think I ruined it by hearing it for the first time when I was six. If I ever have kids I'm going to save some great albums to spring on them just when they think there is nothing left to hear by some particular artists. On the subject of Douglas Coupland, I was really embarrassed to be reading Generation X on the train. I had to put the book in a brown bag. I found Shampoo Planet even more worthless, and the Life after God didn't change my mind at all. I had to cut my losses here, so I didn't read Microserfs or Girlfriend in a Coma. Okay, I hope I didn't make too awful of a first impression. I hope you'll have me back some time. I'm here in Boston in the states, and if there are any of you local feel free to drop me a line, particularly for the New Year. Take Care. Robert Morris winboog at gis.net +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Thu Dec 31 08:46:48 1998 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:46:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The video/Tindersticks Message-ID: <19981231114648.HM.000000000008kAR@mixmail.com> Hello again everybody: I�ve been out of the list for a few weeks, and I�d like to know some things about the "Modern rock song" video. Who is the girl who appears on it ? was it shot on Glasgow ? I agree completely with Sister Disco about the broadcasting of the Black Sessions. I�m sure that the girl who was fillin g the gaps didn�t know anything about the band, because I n oticed that some pieces of what she said were taken from previous interviews. I know that I shouldn�t ask this, but when will we have a european tour ? will it be in spring, as it was announced ? Besides that, I�d like to say that I have "Curtains", and it�s a great album. I also saw them live, and even though it was a good gig, I found it too much like a theatre play. I�m not saying that they�re fakers (as the Jack singer told to a spanish music magazine) but mind you, Mr.Staples began this melodramatic interpretation even in the first song, hanging around like a drunk guy. However, he sang wonderfully. Finally, however i think that he would have noticed it, tell Peter Miller that there is an extensive article about Gram Parsons in the last "Rock De lux" issue. Happy new year everybody (excuse my english) ================================================== Jordiet ================================================== Obtenga GRATIS su E-Mail permanente en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From patrick.osborne at xxx.uk Thu Dec 31 11:40:52 1998 From: patrick.osborne at xxx.uk (Patrick Osborne) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:40:52 -0000 Subject: Sinister: in defence of Douglas Message-ID: <199812311218.MAA08757@andromeda.hosts.netdirect.net.uk> I felt I had to post to put in a good word for Girlfriend in a Coma; I actually think it's one of Douglas Coupland's best books. I think he's taken the themes he's been exploring since Generation X (feelings of dissatisfaction with no clear reason, greater affluence with fewer prospects, etc.) and, rather than just continuing to document it, has explained where it's coming from and what can be done about it. I love the title, especially, and the other smiths references throughout the book, especially when the "golden lights oscillate wildly" at the end! And I know I've often thought, when you pass those people with placards proclaiming the end of the world, hang on, what if they're right after all?, which Girlfriend... tapped into nicely. Anyway, to give this post some B&S content (!) I am listening to Tigermilk at the moment...wonderful! Patrick +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rory_mackie at xxx.com Thu Dec 31 12:34:55 1998 From: rory_mackie at xxx.com (Rory Mackie) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:34:55 PST Subject: Sinister: Remember me? (B'dam b'dam g'ding da ding) Message-ID: <199812311234.EAA17250@law-f122.hotmail.com> Hello fruity chums! It is I (removes glasses) StayLuckyRory, back from self imposed exile in the real world, older, maybe a little wiser, weary and with many tales to tell. I can't tell you how good and shiny it feels to be back at my geeky netcafe with my spanking new hotmail account conversing again with all you strange and lovely people, good to see that Mark 'This is the Lower East side you mook!' Cassarato is posting again too! Mail me baby! That's it really, just wanted to say hello. See you in the next one, StayLuckyRoryxxx ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Thu Dec 31 13:18:24 1998 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (Megan) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:18:24 +0300 Subject: Sinister: sent you away, what else can i do when i need something that much? Message-ID: <003201be34c0$a3449aa0$a74e02c3@lehard> happy new year's! i'm afraid i don't have too many happy past associations with the holiday, though i don't have unhappy ones either. it's just one of those holidays where one is expected to have a good time, and inevitably it just doesn't live up to societal expectations. my dad came home with a bunch of liquor, so i suppose it's drunkeness at the lehar datcha tonight. and videos. what a combo! anyway, first off people have been dissing (and asking about) the tindersticks. i'm listening to donkey's right now so i'm swept away. first off i simply adore the tindersticks, i've played each album an inordinate amount of times. right now i'm listening to donkeys, which is a rarities collection, thoughi could see it making a good starting place, as it has several singles from various periods in the band's history. course if you're in the us, it's an import so that sucks. i woulnd't use an import as a starting place, but if you already like the band it's very worth it, and i hate paying more than $10 for cds, ask anyone i go shopping with. anyway, the music reminds me of dancing. it reminds me of film noir, the two strangers who meet in a club and don't ask one another's name, but proceed to dance till dawn. sad songs that are exquisitely beautiful. i must caution you that i know a lot of people who are turned off by stuart's voice, it's low and rumbly and i seriously doubt that he's ever annunciated a word in his life. still, i think it adds to the sound of the band. i didn't like them right away, the tindersticks were a band i first heard when their first album came out, grew to like a song from the radio, then bought the second album. and it sort of crept up on me, somewhere after having it for over a year and listening to it with growing frequency i realized that i loved it hopelessly and have been a slave since. the music is beautifully orchestrated. so lovely. er, yes. so anyway, then someone said they liked d.h. lawrence. i read sons and lovers twice, first for myself, then for class, and didn't really like it either time. i can't get into the heads of his female characters, and i want to crack the male protagonist over the head with a large heavy object. my sister's currently studying it for an oral exam, so there are few happy associations with him in this house. actually, this is the fisrst time i've heard of anyone other than an english teacher liking him. ;) though perhaps i read the worst book, or lack some crucial understanding needed to enjoy it. you know, i've never heard quadrophenia or the white album in it's entirety. shall i be kicked off the list now? perhaps i'll pick it up at cd market if i go this weekend, yum, love them bulgarian bootlegs. not that i support that practice whatsoever. no way. er... so anyway, will i like it? i'm not wholly ignorant of music from the 50's - 60's, but most of what i know is what my parents have. they actually have most beatles albums but the white album. of their stuff, i like buddy holly best. and i must admit a soft spot for the carpenters, but who among you can hold out against the charms of karen's voice? now as long as i don't mention neil diamond i'm safe.... steve your dream reveals a complexity that i as yet have not been in contact with. i shall have to consult my books and charts before giving a proper diagnosis. and finally, welcome to new guy. we aren't elitists, we're just better than everybody else. i think the one week waiting period is a good idea, as it gives us a chance to scare away anyone who would like things like polite conversation or band information. for any newcomers, this list is about smut and nonsense, in that order. ask mr miller. xoxoxoxox megan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DIABLO6626 at xxx.com Thu Dec 31 06:28:55 1998 From: DIABLO6626 at xxx.com (DIABLO6626 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:28:55 EST Subject: Sinister: woe is me Message-ID: hello! oh i am FINALLY back from my 10 torchered days in florida. but not to worry...i thought of all of you! i wrote you a letter while i was there: ------------------------------ hello! well right now im writing to all of you smiling souls from my grandparents house in florida. (im not pathetic, really, i swear!) day 7-vital statistics are showing signs of severe boredom, massive consumption of grandmies decieving baked goods, and the intolerance for chipperness. WARNING: DO NOT STEAL HER B&S ALBUMS AND THEN LEAVE THEM IN YOUR OWN CD PLAYER OUTSIDE IN THE SWELTERING HOT SUN TO BE LEFT TO MELT AWAY! foolish mut of a sister. but im fine! REALLY! i love my family. but alright alright...enough of my jibber jabber i want to hear some of yours. sorry i had to unsubscribe from the list without a notice before i left for hell-whoops, i mean-my grandparents house-so i didnt get the chance to write a little goodbye letter as i had hoped. so how was everyones holidays? i doubt they were as good as mine! all ive been doing this past week (ive still got 3 more days left! ) is jammin to my tunes, reading my brilliant catch-22 novel (thank you for your recomendations :) watching some flicks, happily napping, and well that about sums it up. (besides the spontaneous poetry and drawing.) i wish my mom would have agreed with my decision to bring my guitar along. but anyway, this night i found myself sketching a layout for an album cover. first i thought of one for me, but that didnt work out. so on i went laying out another sketch for a new! b&s album. but then i thought-what songs? what pictures? what lettering?! i would have gone mad if i didnt have my icey cold pina colada keeping me company :) but i plan on completing my album layout, i desperately need help. david? katrina?? anyone??? well i best be off. *kisses and sugar giggles* xo, jackie in my cd player-elliott smith-xo it reminds me of japan ------------------------------- im really very deeply sorry...but my dads company that runs his aol account has decided to cut back on expenses and has decided to cancel everyones aol. so i no longer have my account and my DMBesPhish screen name is no longer in use :( but it will be pretty soon when we get our account back. so if anyone wants to send me mail...then please send it to diablo6626---this is my friend tara. just say its for jackie in the letter so she doesnt get confused. and oh yes...i finally have money! so i will be looking foward to purchasing my study at stow shirt :) and numerous cds. ahhh the joys of christmas. well i should probably be going now, so chat to you later! happy new year! xo, jackie in my cd player-the obnoxious drone of my computer +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mrsmurdoch at xxx.com Thu Dec 31 10:05:20 1998 From: mrsmurdoch at xxx.com (Mrs Murdoch) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:05:20 PST Subject: Sinister: Happy New Year Everybody Message-ID: <199812311005.CAA20373@law-f64.hotmail.com> Hello this is Mrs. Murdoch, Stuart's mum here. I got a new computer for Christmas (from Santa) and I thought I'd join you all to see what you're saying about my wee Stuart. Stuart says thank you!! for all the lovely Christmas cards. There are some real beauties including a musical one from Canada that plays 'seek ye first'. Lovely. Santa brought Stuart an operation that will fix his lisp for good, and a new watch which can tell you the time in New York as well as London, Sydney and Ayr. Now when he's abroad with his band he'll know what time it is here, and not interrupt me during my 'quiet time'. Christmas was lovely, we had a big juicy slab of pork and turkey then we watched 'Babe' on the telly. Stuart cried at the end when the farmer said "that'll do pig", the big jessie. Then we had a sing song, and I let Stuart taste my whisky with his pinky. On boxing day we went a drive to the 'electric brae', a strange hill which looks like you are going up when youre really going down. Stuart went out for a wee-wee then came back crying, because he didn't realise how mad the hill really was. He soon cheered up, when I let him sit on my knee and pretend he was driving the car. So anyway, today is Hogmanay, and I wish you all a very Happy New Year! Stuart is going to a toga party in Glasgow with his friend Stephen Pastel. He says he is going to drink buckfast and snog as many ladies as he can. 'Snogmanay' he calls it. To tell the truth I hope he does snog some ladies, because he's been spending a lot of time alone with Stephen Pastel and I'm starting to worry. All the best for 1999, Mrs. Murdoch ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Whispes at xxx.com Thu Dec 31 12:25:13 1998 From: Whispes at xxx.com (Whispes at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:25:13 EST Subject: Sinister: magnetic poetry Message-ID: <969608c3.368b6d29@aol.com> hi! i'm new to the list so if this has been mentioned before i'm sorry! anyway i was wondering, how do you go about saving the magnetic poetry as a gif file on the poetry part of the b&s page? thanks! yoey +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ianmacdonald at xxx.net Thu Dec 31 13:19:54 1998 From: ianmacdonald at xxx.net (Ian MacDonald) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:19:54 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Happy Hogmany Message-ID: <199812311336.NAA30274@boober.lineone.net> It's 1'o clock. I've had two hours sleep. I've just been to the offy. I am drinking champagne. And Vodka/Kahlua/milk. Best not to waste the gift of two hands. I smell of roll ups. I have people with me who I love. The flat stinks. And more people I love are coming. This is my life today. I hope yours is as good. And I wish you all a happy new Year. No that's not enough. May you always love the life you lead and lead the life you love. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ianmacdonald at xxx.net Thu Dec 31 13:28:21 1998 From: ianmacdonald at xxx.net (Ian MacDonald) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:28:21 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian sheet music Message-ID: <199812311336.NAA14366@boober.lineone.net> I disagree with your assessment of Belle and Sebs music. Sheet is not the adjective that I'd use. Try fan-dabbi-dozi. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From escossia at xxx.br Thu Dec 31 14:06:52 1998 From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:06:52 -0200 Subject: Sinister: 999 Message-ID: <01be34c6$d0efd4a0$0100007f@localhost> Generation X HAPPY NEW YEAR 999 - the devil year ? Bye Bye 98. Let's face it...1998 was a bad year. I will not miss it. Mrs Murdoch Can i call you *mother* ? :o) ~~~^~^v^~^v^~^v^~^v^~v^~^v^~^v^~ Ivo A P Escossia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From davedwin at xxx.com Thu Dec 31 16:11:49 1998 From: davedwin at xxx.com (David Clewett) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:11:49 -0000 Subject: Sinister: looper Message-ID: pardon me, but do any of you crazy folks happen to know of a good English translation of Dostoevsky's "the devils"? i think i am ready to start reading his works again and i it would be great to start of with a decent translation. the first time i read notes from underground (i can't remember who translated it) the translation was poo-poo. thanks, eddie HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From laurentdeguell at xxx.com Thu Dec 31 15:35:04 1998 From: laurentdeguell at xxx.com (Laurent de GUELL) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:35:04 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Tigersticks Message-ID: <199812311035_MC2-652B-657C@compuserve.com> hi ! and happy new year ! ten days receiving lovely mails that makes i pistpost about the tindersticks (damned !): i love them, think i am going to steal from the town library the Carmen album (i forgot the title of this pure barock gem), i've got the curtain one but it is little less, in my opinion. about b&s and new year now: cat appearing around a door: think of a question and call for your cat. If his right paws appears first around the door, the answer to your question is yes. If the left paw is first, the answer is no - that works for tigers, too - this from the ailuromancy section "living and loving" - especially tonight leaving - lol +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Thu Dec 31 18:11:48 1998 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:11:48 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk Instrumental or Felt cover? And do you want to trade for it? Message-ID: <368BBE64.A9BF3481@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Well... I wonder if that is the longest title to a post ever. Well, I have obtained a copy of the Tigermilk instrumental from a friend who wishes to be nameless. There are two versions I have of the so-called Tigermilk instrumental. One is just the song itself, which sounds remarkably like Felt playing a Felt song, so I am forced to wonder if it is a cover, or if it is even the band themselves at all. But the other version makes me think it is the band. Stuart David reads four Ink Polaroids overtop of a *very* quiet Tigermilk instrumental. They're all from his book, aren't they? Anyway, it's summarily wonderful, be it a cover or even him reading overtop of a Felt song, it's ace. Does anyone know the truth of this? Cover or original, Felt or B&S, who or what is it? Also, if anyone is interested in obtaining a copy of these two gorgeous gems, as well as anything from the now rather sizable collection of unreleased bits and sessions I have procured, I am missing some things. One would be those silly Black Sessions, and I would prefer a good copy if I could get one. I don't have too many bootlegs, either, might be nice to acquire some more of those. Please write me with your trades lists and I'll write back with mine. I've got some nice things like Rhoda, a version of Middle Distance Runner far superior from the Beat Patrol version, that Session they did in Amsterdam, and some other lovely things. Ah, in other news, Matt, I realize you may have conceptualized B&S-opoly in the days before man conceptualized "fire," but how close are you now to actually producing a copy of said B&S-opoly, I must ask? Not very, I'd wager. Whereas I am so close that all I have to do is some quick decision-making and writing on game pieces. Of course there is money in my game...but that's Life...no, sorry, that's a different game. Oh, bad joke... Anyway, I hope everyone has a lovely New Year's, especially "Stuart's Mother," ;) /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick/Sandcastle Records <<->> bp224995 at ohiou.edu \ / Sandcastle Records Homepage: ICQ#5056758 | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Thu Dec 31 21:05:01 1998 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:05:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sinister: A whole new set of friends In-Reply-To: <199812310431.XAA23474@home.gis.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Robert Morris wrote: > I had the worst Christmas ever, there was a huge bombshell dropped > during dinner with my Dad and his soon to be third ex-wife about some > shenanigans going on with him and my ex-girlfriend. What ?!?!?!? Anyway.... Are you serious? Your dad and your ex? You poor thing! I hope you get away from them, or do whatever you need to do in this situation. > leave the store with more than a few of them, I made my way to the counter > to be rung up. There was this couple that were a little too cute for my > liking there, not being in any sort of mood for cute couples at this > particular juncture. All of a sudden I was being punched on the arm by the > girl, who was way too cute, asking me what I was getting. This complete > stranger was showing me more love than I had ever known, just with a simple > punch. I shared my purchases and she reacted to the ones she liked by > punching my arm. We both agreed that the Rolling Stones' Sway is one of So the good came from the bad. I wish you all the best with your new friend! Sounds like you may have a happy new year after all! Let us know how things turn out. ciao, Heather +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller Thu Dec 31 16:38:50 1998 From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:38:50 -0800 Subject: Sinister: in the wee belle hours of the morning....... Message-ID: <000201be3533$beaa7940$4611020a@rebelstrange> new years eve post. my fingers are stiff and cold. I like the short stories i ahve read by DH Lawrence, but i dont' think i could really stoop (sic) to reading his novels, i've read too many analyses of them and they sound very sick and twisted and misogynistic. as good as his writing is technically, i'm one of them sorry bastards who can't get past my prejudices. sorry. (to whom? i dont' know.....) hola christa, mi wee belle in the lovely DC, refreshing to happen upon you in this godforsaken wasteland....Just kidding..... just kidding.......i swear.......it's 8 am and i have not slept since early yesterday please humor me...... i only wish i could get pissed for the holiday. chance shall find me in my slag heap of a hometown with my oldest high school friends, being very bored i imagine. god where are the lesbian bars around here. all i want is a new years kiss for once in my life! AAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!!! i just dont see any other way of getting one. no,i dont' want a kiss from a boy, unless you're stu m, i might consider, but then i'd probably change my mind at the last minute, sorry stu. yer a darling but you're so immaculate, i'd feel ashamed of myself. and yes, who is the cutest one. let us argue, wangle and discuss until our heads turn blue and fall off. come on, guys, no one CARES about the subtle nuances and literary themes of their exquisite tunage!! we wanna talk about HOT, SEXY ASS!!!! you know it's true. you all pretend to be so hep, but inside your trousers are just burning to get some belle booty. dont' kid yourselves, the truth will set you free. so, name your drug(er, member) of choice, and get over to glasgow with a tranquilizer dart and a big net and some barry white tunes and a quart of malt liquor, and get ready for some hot Lovin' to start off the new year right. a dose of thrush indeed! i hear the Love Bus will making a special stop, fitted with custom lighting and exclusive plush velvet purple rhinesthone covered settees just perfect for that moment when I hold stevie's hair, and you yank his pants down and get it started. (inside joke, apologies to stevie) congrats to matthew, our ever loving companion, for beating me to the b/s monopoly concept. boo. i would cry for not being the first and original, if his ideas weren't just so great and so close to my own....... let's make this thing happen everybody, sister disco? wanna join the monopoly party? Alix? you in?? um....i want my tiggerjammies, and i want them bad. i'm getting desperate. i might just have to order it online or something cos i can't wait for my rekkid shop to call me up, when, could be months from now! lousy bastards. they dont' understand how urgent it is. at least i can say i've heard all the songs, though. i'd have to havemy memory refreshed on a summer goes song, and i liked the high girly singing on slow graffiti (don't i always??) but right now in preview hypothetical mode my big money is on The GAte to win by a nose, just edged in by TIJAMR, for it's moody build-up and yummy description of shyness in the face of girl affection. c'mon kids, it's elixir, elixir, those heavenly voices, i'm in dream land, thankyou lovely lassie!!! stars in my eyes, like a tiny pink bonbon, so small and delicious. and wait i should quit while i'm ahead. i can't recall exacctly the words, but i enjoyed all the posts today from people who discussed their adventures, esp the one who met b/s couple in a record shop, and all the snow dreaming going on. fox in the snow, it''s such a lovely phrase to roll over your tongue, so crisp and demure and meditative. say it again like a mantra. ouch, my face hurts. i won't humilate myself further, i've already mentioned things i promised i would never speak here again. but my mouth is so big, things come slipping out, especially when you're madly sleep deprived. you may punish me if you wish. i doubt i would notice when the switch comes down on my lily white skin. i have bruises on my knees today. i'm off to dream of huge porcelain pools of blue water. if you want some good cheer go listen to the album Cerulean by the ocean blue, they're very sweet and delicate in their tweeness, and it's decidedly shoegazerly jangly faux-Brit textures and gentle singing will have you smiling like a sedated imbecile in no time, glad that the sun came out another day. call me gullible, or tasteless, it's all the same to me. love from the pits of sexless misery........ ooh i'm trembling from lack of sleep. lesleyJo tweeness is an attitude, make of it what you desire. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From garlansw at xxx.uk Mon Dec 28 23:56:24 1998 From: garlansw at xxx.uk (Stevie -G-) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:56:24 +0000 Subject: Sinister: B&S up for best newcomer at the Brits Message-ID: <199901111825.SAA04893@CSDAlpha2.sbu.ac.uk> Just heard on 97-99 BBC Radio One FM that B&S has/have (is "B&S singular or plural?) been nominated for Best Newcomers at the Brit awards. This seems to be a very strange definition of Newcomer, but then didn't Pulp win a few years back, after being in existence for about 100 years? So, does that mean that the boys and girls will be along for the awards ceremony? Maybe they'll be asked to play - perhaps doing a FatBoySlim medley, or a "duet" with the Spice Girls. Or maybe not. Ooh, isn't it exciting? Stevie -G- x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+