From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Wed Jul  1 01:17:34 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:17:34 EDT
Subject: Sinister: little drummer girls
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not that this matters to anyone at all, but sleater-kinney's dig me out was my
#5 cd of 1997...

matt
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:08:40 EDT
Subject: Sinister: little drummer girls
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From Ayacolor at xxx.com  Wed Jul  1 02:55:06 1998
From: Ayacolor at xxx.com (Ayacolor at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:55:06 EDT
Subject: Sinister: I'm a girl and also a durummer
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Hey, are you talki'n to me?
I am awe some drummer in Mitto Chill. 
We played with Lindsay Romig at the Smell in LA last March.
People loved me (maybe~).

I'm Rockin' in Dallas now. My friend Lindsay Romig is cool. 
Her band Go Metric USA is recording songs now. 
Their music is great. I know they are one of the local band in Dallas but this
recording will kick world's ass.

I told you keep on Rockin'!!
AyaXX
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From gleng at xxx.com  Wed Jul  1 04:28:31 1998
From: gleng at xxx.com (gordon glen)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 11:28:31 +0800
Subject: Sinister: Female Drummers
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What about Lindy Morrison from the Go Betweens. A rather fine band as I
recall and still well worth listening to now

Gordon

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Wed Jul  1 08:22:23 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:22:23 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Jesus Be A Fence Around Me
Message-ID: <01bda4c0$fe99a480$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


I'm in my new abode. For the first time in two years or more I'm not living
in a ready-made sitcom.

First of all, congratulations to Sarah for your Media Studies success. Have
some of those toffee doughnuts to celebrate.

I am not stalking your parents, Tim, I am merely expressing an interest in
Sidmouth after reading about the intriguing activities of the Sidmouth
Contingent in Tangents. What I'd really like is some direct autobiographical
accounts of those halcyon days, preferably from the singer. Hooray for
Tangents, and roll on the next competiton. I know this probably sounds
sarcastic, but it isn't.

t's about time Trousers had another competiton too.

Female drummers: There was some bird with peroxide hair who used to drum and
sometimes do backing vocals for bands like Microdisney, Everything But the
Girl and The Communards. Julie something, I think, but my memory's not all
it used to be. She looked like Margi Clarke. It was never clearer in her
era...

To finish with, a poor quality joke:
Did you hear the one about the Vietnam vet? He got his arm stuck up a water
buffalo's bum. And had to call the fire brigade.

Bobby Chariot

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From aevans at xxx.uk  Wed Jul  1 09:34:07 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:34:07 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sidmouth International Folk Festival
Message-ID: <01BDA4D3.8722C720@pc07628>



Peter Miller wrote :

>>Any action in Sidmouth? Anything? I'm in the middle of moving
house, that's exciting.

Mr Creosote wrote :

>My parents live in Sidmouth. You keep away from there. Don't try >to pretend
>you have a job folk dancing in the International Folk Festival.
>HoneyPaul! 
>Miller's stalking my parents! Tell him to leave me (and them) alone. 
>I'm scared.

I've been to the Sidmouth IFF and Tim and his family were there in the Russian Circus troop selling arms to Afghanistani Sunday Brass Band.

Meester Miller was sat outside the Big Marquee with a monkey on his shoulder waxing his dodgy moustache making lewd suggestions to Hungarian cheese-tasters.

He's already there Timbo and he's gonna getcha !!!

Just thought you ought to know.

Sepp Blatter.
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From MctaggartR at xxx.com  Wed Jul  1 10:48:00 1998
From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:48:00 +0100 
Subject: Sinister: Kelvingrove Coca Exotica
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Oh all right then,

Seeing as how MILLER not only taking an unwholesome interest in Fatboy
Tim's family, but also in my whereabouts and my lustrous hair, I'll come
clean.  Yes, I was at the Looper show on Friday, no, it wasn't me you
could see, as I have a morbid fear of cameras.  Paul never mentioned the
poets.  One of them looked like my Dad.  The other one did a poem called
"Kelvingrove Coca Exotica", and encouraged audience participation.  Anne
went to school with him.  He wasn't very good, but he was clearly a man
of considerable passion for his art.  Keith should've been there, cos if
the sun going down can make him cry, why should he not cry a river over
a good poem.  Looper were great.  There was a female electronic Stephen
Hawking voice (Stephanie Hawking?) introducing the songs.  At the end
the voice said "I hope you enjoyed the show, you sick motherfuckers".
And everyone laughed.  And then laughed some more.  Then I went dancing
at Uptight where a strange man in a "Little Prince" t-shirt offered me
his contact lenses.  I would tell you about the rest of the weekend, but
I've vowed to keep in-jokes to a minimum.

Someone was talking about Frazier Chorus.  "Sloppy Heart", their 4AD
single was a swoonsome atmospheric little number about getting a woody
on the train.  I seem to remember the sleeve notes talking about
"inadequate trousers", which is possibly libellous.  The rest of their
stuff was tasteful and polite and "nice" but never really hit those
heights.  I saw them once.  One of the horn section eyed me up
throughout the show.  And yes, it was Espiritu that Chris joined.  But
Vanessa, the half French-half, Venezuelan singer did all the work so he
left.  I saw them once.  I eyed Vanessa up throughout the show.  The
first few singles (including the mighty "Los Americanos" and
"Francisca") were awesome, bip-bopping, Latin-tingled choonz.  Then they
went a bit crap, although Vanessa made a drum n'bass record with Saint
Etienne, but it never came out.

I must apologise for being so informative, I promise not to let it
happen again.

Is it too late to declare my love for Michael Owen?

Love,
Tag xxx
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From koogydelbbog at xxx.com  Wed Jul  1 11:42:45 1998
From: koogydelbbog at xxx.com (andrew dean)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 03:42:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: a couple of things (female drummers, family trees)
Message-ID: <19980701104245.12704.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>



um, female drummers. the first thing i have to say is that, in my
opinion, you're really wasting your time talking music to someone who
hasn't heard of the velvet underground. but if you want famous female
drummers then there's always karen carpenter...

(btw, there's more to moe tucker than the drums - she's had numerous
solo lps out. she's also not lou reed...)

and as for family trees then stuart m and chris g helped out on the
first arab strap peel session.

oh, and the stuart m contribution to the polar bear thing that katrina
mentioned last week is quite wonderful (and a bit rude!) in a mournful
kind of way. i stumbled across a copy in the oxford st virgin
megastore a few weeks ago. pick up the re-release if it's included.

andy

(you can stop reading this now, the stuff that follows is, as usual,
way off topic)

um, i go away for a week and come back to find about half a dozen
interesting singles and lps have been released in the meantime.
typical. new mogwai promises to be good, as always. did anyone tape
last week's peel session or breezeblock performance btw? i'd like a
copy... the other releases are all kinda techno (apart from HNIA and
mojave 3) so i'm not even going to mention them here...

oh, and the last arab strap video was on alternative nation last night
on mtv (uk). it wasn't very good. alternative nation is probably the
only watchable 2 hours that mtv produce in a week. not that i've
really sat down and watched a lot of it but everytime i turn it on
it's either will smith or that young blonde kid (aaron carter?). i
guess it's only really reflected the rest of the world though, a world
where 95% of the music produced just doesn't appeal to me.

i met minnie mouse the other day. she's very short.

david beckham, sheesh.


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From tourajsig2 at xxx.com  Wed Jul  1 12:12:36 1998
From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:12:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Not Rick's big sister
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Saw the oddest thing in WHSmith at Victoria station this morning.  A
man in a fairly advanced state of shabbiness and some months from his
last bath, steadfastly refusing to budge from his position crouched in
front of the music mags, flicking through 'The Wire' with what sounded
like The Beach Boys blaring from his Walkman.  Stencilled on the back
of his filthy jacket was something like 'The Complete Godlike Genius
And Beauty Of Virginia Astley', and his similarly soiled bag bore the
legend, 'World's Biggest Virginia Astley Fan'.  I think I've seen
everything now.

For younger readers, Ms Astley was a member of the Ravishing Beauties
in the early 80s and had a brief solo career of gentle pop (I have a
1982 single, 'Love's A Lonely Place To Be') and the occasional
collaboration (David Sylvian featured somewhere).  I'm sure there's a
Frazier Chorus connection - Kate St John, perhaps ?

Do other London residents know of this man ?  Is he famous ?  Is his
obsession with an obscure indie chanteuse of yesteryear a contributory
factor in his apparent demise ?  See what can happen when you get a
little *too* keen ?

Mike.





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From belleandsebastian at xxx.com  Wed Jul  1 13:26:33 1998
From: belleandsebastian at xxx.com (Karen David)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 98 12:26:33 UT
Subject: Sinister: More info on Friday Night
Message-ID: <UPMAIL10.199807011253480385@classic.msn.com>


Hello.
I forgot to mention yesterday that the gig on Friday at Hyndland Church Hall 
starts at 7.30. I'm not sure about the running order, so turn up early if 
you're coming.
Cheers,
Neil

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From urielmegan at xxx.com  Wed Jul  1 16:37:24 1998
From: urielmegan at xxx.com (Uriel Ulam)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Fwd: failed delivery
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note: forwarded msg attached.


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From SLamba at xxx.COM  Wed Jul  1 17:23:18 1998
From: SLamba at xxx.COM (Lamba, Sanjeet )
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:23:18 -0700 
Subject: Sinister: a couple of things (female drummers, family trees)
Message-ID: <422B07DB41D7D111B9AF00805F19B04C6944B2@SFNS01>


You mentioned a new Mogwai release, and I was just wondering if this is the
same band I'm thinking of. Do they have a drummer named Brendan O'Hare?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	andrew dean [SMTP:koogydelbbog at xxx.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, July 01, 1998 3:43 AM
> To:	sinister at majordomo.net
> Subject:	Sinister: a couple of things (female drummers, family trees)
> 
> 
> 
> um, female drummers. the first thing i have to say is that, in my
> opinion, you're really wasting your time talking music to someone who
> hasn't heard of the velvet underground. but if you want famous female
> drummers then there's always karen carpenter...
> 
> (btw, there's more to moe tucker than the drums - she's had numerous
> solo lps out. she's also not lou reed...)
> 
> and as for family trees then stuart m and chris g helped out on the
> first arab strap peel session.
> 
> oh, and the stuart m contribution to the polar bear thing that katrina
> mentioned last week is quite wonderful (and a bit rude!) in a mournful
> kind of way. i stumbled across a copy in the oxford st virgin
> megastore a few weeks ago. pick up the re-release if it's included.
> 
> andy
> 
> (you can stop reading this now, the stuff that follows is, as usual,
> way off topic)
> 
> um, i go away for a week and come back to find about half a dozen
> interesting singles and lps have been released in the meantime.
> typical. new mogwai promises to be good, as always. did anyone tape
> last week's peel session or breezeblock performance btw? i'd like a
> copy... the other releases are all kinda techno (apart from HNIA and
> mojave 3) so i'm not even going to mention them here...
> 
> oh, and the last arab strap video was on alternative nation last night
> on mtv (uk). it wasn't very good. alternative nation is probably the
> only watchable 2 hours that mtv produce in a week. not that i've
> really sat down and watched a lot of it but everytime i turn it on
> it's either will smith or that young blonde kid (aaron carter?). i
> guess it's only really reflected the rest of the world though, a world
> where 95% of the music produced just doesn't appeal to me.
> 
> i met minnie mouse the other day. she's very short.
> 
> david beckham, sheesh.
> 
> 
> ==
> andrew dean (koogydelbbog at yahoo.com)
> 
> 
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From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk  Wed Jul  1 11:18:20 1998
From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:18:20 GMT0BST
Subject: Sinister: Re: Book Title - Help ?
In-Reply-To: <35925633.3E38C4CD@hkstar.com>
Message-ID: <9183A96CB3@hermes.nottingham.ac.uk>


>Adrian asked:
>Having a conversation with my friends (not the comic book ones) the
>other day about Christ and disproving theories of his story, I
>remembered Mn'L once reviewed a book about this very subject with 
all
>*gubbins* about the Star of David being a flying saucer etc etc. 
>There wouldn't be one of you literary people out there with 
an extremely
>good memory who knows what this book might be.  I think 
it may have been
>written by a group of American University types surprise, 
surprise....so
>it may ring some bells with our trans-atlantic cousins even though 
they 
>won't know the radio show.

This reminds me of a book I have called "Our Mysterious Spaceship 
Moon" (by Don Wilson?). It puts forward the theory that our beloved 
nighttime wanderer is in fact an enormous spaceship, sent here by a 
higher intelligence for reasons unknown. It contains many pictures of 
entrances to the spaceship that are cleverly disguised to look 
exactly like craters and claims that if you were to hit the moon hard 
enough it would in fact ring like a bell, proving it to be hollow and 
thus strengthening an already almost watertight theory.
I will be writing to the panel of the Booker Prize in the hope that 
this evidently magnificent book is nominated and receives the acclaim 
it deserves.

Robin
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Wed Jul  1 18:11:41 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:11:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Re: Book Title - Help ?
In-Reply-To: <9183A96CB3@hermes.nottingham.ac.uk>
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> 
> This reminds me of a book I have called "Our Mysterious Spaceship 
> Moon" (by Don Wilson?). It puts forward the theory that our beloved 
> nighttime wanderer

(isn't that honeypaul?)

 is in fact an enormous spaceship, sent here by a 
> higher intelligence for reasons unknown. 

(sounds feasible to me, tho i've never met him)

It contains many pictures of 
> entrances to the spaceship

(not sure i really want to see these)

 that are cleverly disguised to look 
> exactly like craters and claims that if you were to hit the moon hard 
> enough it would in fact ring like a bell

(or cry like a baby)

, proving it to be hollow 

espadrille

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Wed Jul  1 21:21:43 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:21:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: No subject
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just found out that one of all about eve (i think it's the drummer) is now
playing in del amitri. this is worse than one of frazier chorus being in
esp[iritu.

i know it's off-message, but did anyone like all about eve?

(i'm talking, of course, to the 3 of us still subscribing to the list)

espadrille

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Wed Jul  1 20:52:08 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (lickle sarah)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 20:52:08 +0100
Subject: Sinister: sniffle catchers
Message-ID: <VrnAVTAoNpm1Ewtn@elsato97.demon.co.uk>


hello kids!

i must be in a bad way today, i was in the lounge watching video of
Flatliners that i taped ages ago due to never previously seeing how
OBVIOUS it's imagery was, and i needed to sneeze. and the word for
tissues would just get into my mind, so i stood up, and went aloud to
myself, now where are those sniffle things, the sniffle catchers....

then i banged my head against the wall about what a pathetic human bean
i am....

why you should care, god knows, but espadrille wanted postings and that
is all i am insipred to write.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From JMoorkens at xxx.ie  Wed Jul  1 21:45:12 1998
From: JMoorkens at xxx.ie (Josh Moorkens)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:45:12 +0100 
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <51EBF97B44A8D111B6650000F805734C104405@DUB_EXCHANGE_1>



> espadrille:
> 
> just found out that one of all about eve (i think it's the drummer) is
> now
> playing in del amitri. this is worse than one of frazier chorus being
> in
> esp[iritu.
> Didn't the new Therapy? guitarist used to be the main fella in This
> Mortal Coil? Rather an about turn...
> joss
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From pookie59 at xxx.com  Wed Jul  1 23:02:21 1998
From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:02:21 PDT
Subject: Sinister: get up everybody and sing
Message-ID: <19980701220224.21600.qmail@hotmail.com>



>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:39:11 EDT
>From: Delaware9 at xxx.com
>Subject: Re: Sinister: hands up all the dancing priests here

>In an article in Puncture from Fall 1997 (kind of dated I suppose) it 
is
>written (in a five-page B&S article that doesnt have one direct quote 
from any
>member of the band...)
>that "In everyday life, Murdoch sings in a choir and is the 
superintendent of
>a church; in return, he gets a place to live and a place for the band 
to
>practice."


He LIVES in a church?
Does he wear a burlap sack? i always pictured him as the type who would 
go outside and birds would  flock to him and sit on his hand as he 
whistled some merry tunes...

>No mention of their musical influences Michael W. Smith and Amy Grant,
>however.  Must be saving that for the next issue...

Is Michael W Smith REALLY famous? Just a few days ago was the first I'd 
heard of him OR Billy Graham..
oh dear..i'm in reverse...i live in little mud hut and i know belle n 
sebby but not michael w smith,
oh well  BIG LOSS,you know

yes and one of you told me michael w smith was a panderer (a new word 
for me)..well i'm literate,i can look things up,
and this i find: if you pander to someone,you do everything they want

and why is that so bad?? how can he be banned? he just needs some love!
actually..i was cheering him on,during the emotional song i pounded my 
fist in the air
and shouted MIKEY!MIKEY!MIKEY! but the girl in the dc talk t-shirt 
shushed me.

isn't that cherry coke commercial (man with fish coat) whistling nice? i 
find myself whistling it now,ohmigod!

Alright,bye bye you little pop sugar plums i'm going for a wee bit now,

have lots of lovely summer days,

kiss kiss,
xxxgenevieve-pookie



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From vegus at xxx.no  Wed Jul  1 23:30:35 1998
From: vegus at xxx.no (Stein Vegusdal)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:30:35 +0200
Subject: Sinister: a couple of things (female drummers, family trees)
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About Mogwai: Yes it's the same band exept Brendan O'Hare
doesn't play drums for them anymore. Brendan left to start 
his own band called Macrocosmica.


Steinski
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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Thu Jul  2 00:22:26 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:22:26 EDT
Subject: Sinister: drum grrrrrrls
Message-ID: <8f3a37d.359ac4b3@aol.com>


not that shes the best songwriter or anything, but sophie b hawkins is pretty
nifty with the drums

matt

<< 
 um, female drummers. the first thing i have to say is that, in my
 opinion, you're really wasting your time talking music to someone who
 hasn't heard of the velvet underground. but if you want famous female
 drummers then there's always karen carpenter...
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From Kayemess at xxx.com  Thu Jul  2 02:04:20 1998
From: Kayemess at xxx.com (Kayemess at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:04:20 EDT
Subject: Sinister: drum grrrrrrls
Message-ID: <27543fcb.359adc95@aol.com>


 
  Is Sophie B. Hawkins that "Damn, I Wish I Was Your Lover" girl??  A long
time ago, I saw a band called the Eels cover that song.  (In fact, they were
opening for Lucious Jackson, those crazy Eels.)  I don't think they were very
good (re: I don't remember anything about them), but they DID suddenly
exclaim, "AND NOW, AUSTIN, TEXAS, THE SONG YOU VOTED YOUR MOST FAVORITE IN THE
ENTIRE UNIVERSE..." and burst into song with "Damn, I wish I was your Lover."
I laughed and laughed. 

  Today I bought the new Spinanes album.  It is fairly beautiful, but nowhere
near as perfect as "Manos."  Maybe because Scott left the band.  Hmmm.  I also
bought the 2 CD Matador compilation that I've wanted forever but never
purchased.  Pavement's version of "The Killing Moon" easily makes my top ten
songs of all time list.  So perfect.

  Last week, I bought a car.  Later this month, I am buying a vacation.  Soon
I will be very poor.  

  Love,
  Kristen 
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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Thu Jul  2 04:16:57 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:16:57 EDT
Subject: Sinister: drum grrrrrrls
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okay, yes she is the damn i wish i was your lover girl...
the eels (intentionally not capitalised even though i dont capitalise anything
anyway) had a #1 modern rock or alternative or whatever you call it hit in th
us 2 years ago with novicaine for the soul, which, although discount priced by
the label still only pushed about 150000 copies (ive no idea why i remember
this).  anyway, they had a follow-up song called ashes to ashes or dust to
dust or something like that, which wasnt very good and had an awful fake
americas funniest home videos video...  they were sort of ok... nothing i
would buy, but some people swore by them... they were on sessions at west
54th, which is odd because usually that is reserved for great musicians, so
maybe i was missing something.
luscious jackson was also on sessions come to think of it (hey what about
their drummer?  was she vivian that left?), just before the lovely fiona
apple.
ok aol is making me skip lines when i dont want to, and all of my mail is
enormous, so i shall stop now.

matt

<< 
  
   Is Sophie B. Hawkins that "Damn, I Wish I Was Your Lover" girl??  A long
 time ago, I saw a band called the Eels cover that song.  (In fact, they were
 opening for Lucious Jackson, those crazy Eels.)  I don't think they were very
 good (re: I don't remember anything about them), but they DID suddenly
 exclaim, "AND NOW, AUSTIN, TEXAS, THE SONG YOU VOTED YOUR MOST FAVORITE IN
THE
 ENTIRE UNIVERSE..." and burst into song with "Damn, I wish I was your Lover."
 I laughed and laughed. 
 
   Today I bought the new Spinanes album.  It is fairly beautiful, but nowhere
 near as perfect as "Manos."  Maybe because Scott left the band.  Hmmm.  I
also
 bought the 2 CD Matador compilation that I've wanted forever but never
 purchased.  Pavement's version of "The Killing Moon" easily makes my top ten
 songs of all time list.  So perfect.
 
   Last week, I bought a car.  Later this month, I am buying a vacation.  Soon
 I will be very poor.  
 
   Love,
   Kristen  >>
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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Thu Jul  2 10:24:20 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 02:24:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Stow College and smut
Message-ID: <19980702092420.2196.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>


Idling away my last weeks in this ikky job, I found the following
titbits (in America they call them tidbits because they are woosy like
that) from the Scottish Press.  I like the T-shirt idea - it would be
like a Kids from Fame for the 90s.  But has anyone any idea why Belle
and Sebastian are seen as in league with food pornographers?  I mean I
did hear about Stuart M and his chocolate fingers, but...

From: Daily Record 07/05/98 

The Stow-aways. 

Students chart a popular business

Stow College is a world of new and exciting opportunities!
We want to give you a glimpse of just some of the options that are
available for adults and school-leavers here.
[...]
And at Stow College, music-mae course is a man who knows all about the
business - Alan Rankine, who formed part of the great eighties pop
band The Associates.
[...]
Bands discovered after the College quest include current critics'
favourites, Belle and Sebastian.
They have made Alan a firm promise that they will wear college
T-shirts when they debut on telly's Top of the Pops.
"They are currently recording their third album and have enjoyed great
success," added Alan, who has produced records all over the world.
"Something like 40 record companies and around 20 producers sought to
sign them up.
"But it was Stow College students who picked them out as something
really special and that's been great."


From: The Herald 04/04/98 

Compelling nightmare for the persecution fantasist

Being allergic to trendy Belle and Sebastian-loving food
pornographers, I had been avoiding Island Harvest (BBC1, Sunday), but
for the final journey to Harris I relented and was reluctantly
charmed. Nick Nairn is a walking Wiszniewski canvas, a long-limbed
Beautiful Boy with a tousle of cropped curls and an unexpected dash of
machismo. He sails! He dives! He skins tomatoes with a blowlamp! He
eats scallops raw from the shell and turns a burly Highlander's
stomach by promising "you can still feel them pulsing as they go
down!". Not that he was always
in perfect control. "Have you got the net?" he babbled excitedly,
preparing to land his first seatrout. "You're standing on it," the
gillie replied forbearingly.
But even this minor humiliation served a purpose. Island Harvest
offered us an almost mystic celebration of Things Scottish, lumping
the heart-stopping landscape, the wise and weathered gillie,
the flexing seatrout just pulled from the loch, and the warm mutton
salad into the same sacred category. Add the cry of the curlew and a
haunting soundtrack of Uilleann pipes and a nation swooned in self-love.
Nairn's cuisine was all seductive simplicity. Of course, we're never
actually going to cook anything we watched him make on screen, any
more than we are about to emulate Rick Stein or Antonio Carluccio or
Ken Hom or, heaven forbid, the two fat ladies. But the dishes were
prepared so speedily, from such gratifying brief lists of ingredients,
using nothing more improbable in the way of equipment than a virgin
baking tray, all of which enhanced not our sense of culinary
possibility but our awe. This man is an artist. The only pity is that
the mini-masterpieces he creates have to disappear down someone's
gullet.


NickiDee
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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  2 09:47:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 9:47:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: All About Eve
Message-ID: <D6D00330016A1600@c2gate.tcom.co.uk>


> just found out that one of all about eve (i think it's the drummer)
> is now playing in del amitri. this is worse than one of frazier
> chorus being in espiritu.

And didn't the All About Eve guitarist go on to play in both the
Sisters of Mercy and then industrial no-hopers CNN (later XC-NN)?

Makes joining Del Amitri seem like a valid career move.

I remember reading an interview with Momus where he referred to the
singer in Del Amitri as his cousin.  He may have meant this in a
general Scottish brethren type way, but if Tricky is Finlay Quaye's
nephew then I suppose anything is possible.

Kevan

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Jul  2 10:31:07 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:31:07 +0200
Subject: Sinister: For All We Know
Message-ID: <01bda59c$24f29200$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


The majesterial Andy Dean wrote:

>um, female drummers. the first thing i have to say is that, in my
>opinion, you're really wasting your time talking music to someone who
>hasn't heard of the velvet underground.

Who?

but if you want famous female
>drummers then there's always karen carpenter...

Now you're talking. I was lucky enough to see the totally smokin' Carpenters
at a formative age,  and the wonderful Karen did indeed delight us all with
a drum solo of considerable length and verve. I'm ashamed that I didn't
think of her earlier, insread of going on about Julie / June Covington or
something similar. Hang my head...things like this really matter.

>i met minnie mouse the other day. she's very short.

Andrew, drug use is not encouraged on the list. Speaking of which, I didn't
go to the mini Ozzfest last week and I haven't heard so much as a dickie
bird about it. But it wasn't the original line-up becuase the drummer has
had a "spasm" or a heart attack, depending on who you listen to. No, I
didn't tape the Mogwai session, but I did tape Asian Dub Foundation in
Concert, which sounded quite good, much to my surprise. I even left off the
first minute or so to simulate the experience of me looking around
frantically for a blank tape.

Joao Havelange


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From JohnJ at xxx.com  Thu Jul  2 09:27:32 1998
From: JohnJ at xxx.com (John Johnston)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:27:32 +0100 
Subject: Sinister: TLFKAJ,JCT
Message-ID: <B187481CB498D111BDF200C0F017CB9204C204@EXCHANGE>


That's The Listee Formerly Known As Johnston, John CT back at you from
my new job - I MISSED YOU! I've just received my first digest and it's
great to be back among things sinister once more.

I share Tag's love for Micheal Owen. My shiny new bicycle has just been
stolen but I'm going to buy another and call it Micheal - that's the
highest honour I can bestow.

Thanks to the Duke and other listees who recommended Boards of Canada to
me before I had to unsubscribe. The latest platter that's doing the
business music-wise to my brain material (know what I mean?) is Jurassic
5. It's probably been recommended to death already but it is great. I
can't get enough hip hop after seeing De La Soul at the Jazz Cafe -
awesome.

Gol!
JJ

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Jul  2 10:46:39 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:46:39 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Wesley? WESLEY?
Message-ID: <01bda59e$500591c0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


Matt has been writing about Sophie B. Hawkins:

>okay, yes she is the damn i wish i was your lover girl...

That was a good song. I once saw a nudie picture of her, getting out of the
bath or something, and the caption was "damn, I wish I was your loofer".  I
Know this isn't of much interest, but times are hard. Is anyone else doing
the WSC wallchart? It's great. A special "good morning" to anyone at work at
the moment. So am I but I can't be arsed.

Peter



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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Jul  2 11:07:46 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:07:46 +0200
Subject: Sinister: All About Del
Message-ID: <01bda5a1$42ab9260$LocalHost@itjfvkli>



>I remember reading an interview with Momus where he referred to the
>singer in Del Amitri as his cousin.

This "rumour" came under the microscope recently during a discussion of rock
family trees. One member of the panel left the rest of us open-mouthed with
this bizarre allegation, only to be driven back to the baseline by another
memebr of the panel who actually GETS A LIFT TO WORK every morning with Del
Amitri's mum. Apparently Mrs Amitri has NEVER mentioned Momus, which I
personally think rather pooh-poohs this far-fetched and foolish notion.


Peter

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From muellerj at xxx.EDU  Thu Jul  2 11:16:00 1998
From: muellerj at xxx.EDU (Telepathic Traffic)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:16:00 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Sinister: the Looper 7'
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so i never this is my second time e-mailing the list in like 8 months
i guess i'm in a weird mood
anyway I got the 7' from Sub Pop today (at the radio station I work at)
i found it rather enjoyable
especially because it was a step in a different direction from B&S
while we all love B&S kicking out something simular would sorta be
well not much of a surprise i guess
instead we get there 2 great tracks
the first featuring some breakbeats and record scrathing
along with that typewriter number (which June of 44 already did this yr)
side B seems to have a bit more of a jazz flair to it
I was consideribly happy with it to say the least
it actually reminded me of some of the stuff Arab Strap has done
so anyway lets all see how fast we can make these things disappear
from the Sup Pop offices and on to our turntables.

*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&
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From keith at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  2 11:25:15 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:25:15 +0100
Subject: Sinister: All About Del
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>>I remember reading an interview with Momus where he referred to the
>>singer in Del Amitri as his cousin.
>
>This "rumour" came under the microscope recently during a discussion of
rock
>family trees. One member of the panel left the rest of us open-mouthed with
>this bizarre allegation, only to be driven back to the baseline by another
>memebr of the panel who actually GETS A LIFT TO WORK every morning with Del
>Amitri's mum. Apparently Mrs Amitri has NEVER mentioned Momus, which I
>personally think rather pooh-poohs this far-fetched and foolish notion.
>
>
>Peter



Dear God, all this time and I never realised that Del Amitri (whose fault it
was we got sent packing in the world cup) is actually short for Derek
Amitri.

Cheers,
    Keith.



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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Thu Jul  2 11:27:58 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 03:27:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: All About Del
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>>I remember reading an interview with Momus where he referred to the
>>singer in Del Amitri as his cousin.

>This "rumour" came under the microscope recently during a discussion 
>of rock family trees. One member of the panel left the rest of us open-
>mouthed with this bizarre allegation, only to be driven back to the 
>baseline by another memebr of the panel who actually GETS A LIFT TO 
>WORK every morning with Del Amitri's mum. Apparently Mrs Amitri has 
>NEVER mentioned Momus, which I personally think rather pooh-poohs this 
>far-fetched and foolish notion.

Well I definitely read it in an interview with Momus once too,
although I don't remember if it was head Del Boy or just the drummer.
Maybe Nick Currie is the black sheep of the family and that's why Mrs
Amitri doesn't mention him.  And maybe that song was really written as
a message to their evil disgraced cousin - you know, "Don't come home
too soon you bastard no-one in this family likes you".  Just a thought.

Old Nick
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From j_rosenquist at xxx.com  Thu Jul  2 12:50:22 1998
From: j_rosenquist at xxx.com (Joachim Rosenquist)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:50:22 CEST
Subject: Sinister: nick drake
Message-ID: <19980702105022.21495.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hi!
Anyone on this list who loves Nick Drake? 
There must be, B&S sounds a lot like him.
"Joey" is my favourite song.
The insecurity, the doubt, the painfulness of life itself... Nick
Drake was a dreamer, a poet and had a haunting grasp of the
entire human experience. If your interested in talking further, then 
mail me!I'd be glad to correspond with other fans.

/Joachim
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  2 12:36:50 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:36:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: All About Eve
In-Reply-To: <D6D00330016A1600@c2gate.tcom.co.uk>
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> 
> And didn't the All About Eve guitarist go on to play in both the
> Sisters of Mercy and then industrial no-hopers CNN (later XC-NN)?

yes: an awful mistake.. both aae and the sisters lost a lot fo their magic
(ha!) soon afterwards.

He may have meant this in a
> general Scottish brethren type way, but if Tricky is Finlay Quaye's
> nephew then I suppose anything is possible.
> 
but apparently that's not true anyway. tricky's always denied it and now
finley appears to have admitted he's just a distant cousin.

espadrille

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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  2 12:53:07 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:53:07 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Riding the tramps bicycle (part two)
Message-ID: <359B74A3.6F34@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>


Yes Mike, the man you saw at victoria station is indeed more famous
than he deserves to be...

 Let's see, dishevelled appearance, unhealthy obsession for obscue mid
eighties indie !P!O!P! bands? Hmm... so that's where Tag's been hiding
himself.

 Much thanks to EVERYONE who mailed me telling me it was indeed Espiritu
that ex avant-popster and babysitter Chris decamped to after Frazier
Chorus. I've been waking up in a cold sweat around 3am for the past few
nights going "Escalope?, Et tu Brute? GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!" and frightening
my long suffering girlfriend very badly indeed. Hurrah for people with
nothing better to do than fill in the blanks of my memory, luv ya all!

 Saw Delgardos, Sonic Youth and Spiritualized last night at Meltdown and
OHMIGOD! how good was that? I'm finding it very difficult to put the
experience into words, so let's just say I'm still smiling blissfully
while I type this....

 On the subject of Sonic Youth and sleepless nights (lovely conceptual
link there) I dreamt last night that Thurston Moore got arrested after
the gig and I had to rush down to this odd police station in the middle
of a field to bail him out, where he was very rude to me. Does anyone
 have any idea what this means?

 Finally, there was going to be a Playstation world cup at BlueSoda on
Friday, but is anyone bothered now? Let me know please....

 StayLuckyRoryxxx
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From janine at xxx.com  Thu Jul  2 16:49:03 1998
From: janine at xxx.com (Janine Papp)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:49:03 -0500
Subject: Sinister: probably no new info about new B&S album
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A friend of mine who works at a distribution co. faxed me the one sheet for
the upcoming B&S release.  Here's what I know now:  Title is TBA.  No track
listing.  It will be on LP and CD.  It willbe out in the U.S. on Sept. 8.
"Selected U.S. dates are planned for the fall of 1998 and early 1999."
"There will be multiple viedos from this album."  That's it!  Nothing
really that we didn't already know, right?  I had to stop squealing,
hyperventilating, and jumping up and down, though, before I could write
this.

Janine


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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  2 16:13:14 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 16:13:14 +0100
Subject: Sinister: probably no new info about new B&S album
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hi all,

can i just say that these dates still haven't been confirmed?

cheers,
Katrina. (patiently trying to get ALL the information for you all before
she makes an announcement)

> A friend of mine who works at a distribution co. faxed me the one sheet for
> the upcoming B&S release.  Here's what I know now:  Title is TBA.  No track
> listing.  It will be on LP and CD.  It willbe out in the U.S. on Sept. 8.
> "Selected U.S. dates are planned for the fall of 1998 and early 1999."
> "There will be multiple viedos from this album."  That's it!  Nothing
> really that we didn't already know, right? 

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From SLamba at xxx.COM  Thu Jul  2 17:05:26 1998
From: SLamba at xxx.COM (Lamba, Sanjeet )
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:05:26 -0700 
Subject: Sinister: Re: probably no new info about new B&S album
Message-ID: <422B07DB41D7D111B9AF00805F19B04C6944BE@SFNS01>


As long as we're posting news that isn't that new, I was reminded last night
that B&S made Entertainment Weekly's annual "It List", which is this pretty
lame list of bands and people that are supposed to be up-and-coming. They
shared this list with unknowns like Cameron Diaz, Jennifer Love Hewitt, and
a bunch of others that shouldn't be associated with B&S. Nevertheless, it's
nice to see them getting some recognition Stateside.
Speaking of them, I can't find their first album anywhere. And I've checked
some reputable record stores in the Bay Area (Amoeba, Mod Lang). These
stores usually have anything you could possibly want, and often have it
second hand too. But not B&S. Nothing except for Sinister and Lazy Line
Painter Jane. And that one other single, too. Any suggestions on where else
to look? I had asked my idiot friend in London to search for me, but he
didn't and now he lives in St. Louis, Missouri, so there's a missed
opportunity.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Katrina House [SMTP:a-and-r at xxx.uk]
> Sent:	Thursday, July 02, 1998 8:13 AM
> To:	Janine Papp
> Cc:	sinister
> Subject:	Re: Sinister: probably no new info about new B&S album
> 
> 
> hi all,
> 
> can i just say that these dates still haven't been confirmed?
> 
> cheers,
> Katrina. (patiently trying to get ALL the information for you all before
> she makes an announcement)
> 
> > A friend of mine who works at a distribution co. faxed me the one sheet
> for
> > the upcoming B&S release.  Here's what I know now:  Title is TBA.  No
> track
> > listing.  It will be on LP and CD.  It willbe out in the U.S. on Sept.
> 8.
> > "Selected U.S. dates are planned for the fall of 1998 and early 1999."
> > "There will be multiple viedos from this album."  That's it!  Nothing
> > really that we didn't already know, right? 
> 
> -- 
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From rod at xxx.com  Thu Jul  2 14:37:30 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:37:30 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Snowbearpolarpatrol
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Hey peeple!

It must be said that I'm missing (some of) you loads.  But my dad's
telephone bill prohibits be resubscribing, so I'll just post this titbit
to anyone who's interested.

You know that "Snow Patrol" lot... Well, if anyone's still after a copy of
their Electric Honey EP when they were still called "Polar Bear", there's
a CD copy at Avalanche on Cockburn Street, Edinburgh going for �4.49.  I
didn't buy it, cause they don't particularly float my boat, but I thought
that there might be someone out their who fancies it.  It's in the Indie
CD singles section. 

Mind you all record shops are going to die soon, replaced by the
internet... did you see that Rialto are releasing their "new" "single"
over "the" int"er"net?  �2 to get a "re-recorded" version of an old
single.  Woo!

I have seen the future, and it's the Kays catalogue.

Seeya! (Wouldn't want to be ya!)

Rod.
(working as a secretary at the Stirling Observer just now.  Woo!)

PS. New Yummy Fur single - GRATE!  New Chicks single - GRATE!  New Lodger
single - Bwahhahahahahah!

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From harrypalmer66 at xxx.com  Thu Jul  2 18:05:53 1998
From: harrypalmer66 at xxx.com (Richard Hutt)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:05:53 PDT
Subject: Sinister: beef
Message-ID: <19980702170553.21575.qmail@hotmail.com>



Oh, it's probably far too late for this request now, but I'm taking a 
little work trip up north this weekend. Can any San Franciscans 
reccomend entertainment options? Does the 4th of July mean that things 
shut down? Does everybody go off barbecuing and the like? Have I chanced 
upon a B&S picnic?

In an earlier life, I had "The House of Love" painted on the back of my 
jacket, before it all went horribly wrong. It was the 80's, we were 
young and foolish. Well at least I was. They were such a textbook 
example of what used to happen to promising bands once they were 
consumed by clueless majors. I remember overhearing a conversation in a 
pub in Hammersmith once, their manager talking to their producer about 
how important it was to rid them of "that shabby indie sound" and "beef 
up" the drums. Both had pony tails. I think it used to be a lot more 
'them v. us' in those days.

I'm sure I had a point. It'll come to me.


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From SLamba at xxx.COM  Thu Jul  2 18:06:49 1998
From: SLamba at xxx.COM (Lamba, Sanjeet )
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:06:49 -0700 
Subject: Sinister: Lionjuice
Message-ID: <422B07DB41D7D111B9AF00805F19B04C6944C5@SFNS01>


Okay, folks. I should have fgured that asking where to get Tigermilk was a
common question, but I had no idea it was so expensive!
So, if anyone has it and would like to hook up a friendly guy in
Berkeley/San Francisco (I've been sleeping on friend's sofas for the past
month), I'd really appreciate it. I'd pay you, if you wanted. Hell, maybe I
can send you some rarity that's only found in Northern California.
If you feel like contributing to the Sammy Record Collection Fund, please
respond to me via e-mail and maybe we can work something out???
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From gary at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  2 18:11:41 1998
From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:11:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: RE: sinister-digest V2 #229
In-Reply-To: <199807012021.VAA03161@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <000601bda5dc$7ba76cc0$310c93c3@default>


Andy Dean wrote .....

> and as for family trees then stuart m and chris g helped out on the
> first arab strap peel session.

God knows what they did on it, but Stuart M and Chris are credited as being
guest stars on the Straps "Girls of Summer" E.P as well.

> um, i go away for a week and come back to find about half a dozen
> interesting singles and lps have been released in the meantime.
> typical. new mogwai promises to be good, as always. did anyone tape
> last week's peel session or breezeblock performance btw? i'd like a
> copy...

AAARRRGGHH!! tell me Mogwai didn't do a Peel Session last week, or that
Breezeblock thingy, if they did I wouldn't mind a copy either.


Espadrille wrote ....

> just found out that one of all about eve (i think it's the drummer) is now
> playing in del amitri. this is worse than one of frazier chorus being in
> esp[iritu.
>
> i know it's off-message, but did anyone like all about eve?

AHEM, keep it quiet but I did buy the first Lp, then sold it a couple of
years later for beer money. A worthy cause I think. So yes I did like them,
but then realised my mistake and corrected the situation ..... oh christ,
i'm turning into Glenn Hoddle.

Glenn Hoddle (apparantly).

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  2 18:28:16 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:28:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: RE: sinister-digest V2 #229
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On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Gary Done wrote:

> 
> AHEM, keep it quiet but I did buy the first Lp, then sold it a couple of
> years later for beer money. A worthy cause I think. So yes I did like them,
> but then realised my mistake and corrected the situation ..... oh christ,
> i'm turning into Glenn Hoddle.
> 
espadrille replied....

i've actually got most of their stuff somewhere or other, and really loved
them in my late teens. nayway, i found an all about eve website yesterday
evening and got all nostalgic... even signed up to their mailing list, tho
i've heard nothing since, apart from an acknowledgement, so it's obviously
not as happening as sinister...

so i wouldn't necessarily say it was a mistake, anyway...

ciao,

espadrille

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From TWidmer at xxx.com  Thu Jul  2 19:17:12 1998
From: TWidmer at xxx.com (Tara Widmer)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:17:12 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Is it really so strange?
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<<Didn't the new Therapy? guitarist used to be the main fella in This
Mortal Coil? Rather an about turn...
 joss>>

About turns, you say?

1.  The other night someone told me that Axl Rose has recruited Tommy
Stinson for the latest incarnation of Gun'n'Roses.  Way.  And the next
day I saw an article in a music mag confirming this!

2.  And as you probably have heard, Kim Deal is in a new band with
Sebastian Bach... oh yes!!... I am predicting a Bob Mould/Brett Michaels
collaboration any day now.

<<Speaking of them, I can't find their first album anywhere. And I've
checked some reputable record stores in the Bay Area (Amoeba, Mod
Lang)...Any suggestions on where else
to look? 
You mean "Tigermilk"?  Cos I called Mod Lang a few months back and they
claimed they "could get it" but it would cost about $200. Other SF
stores worth a try are Recycled Records, Record Finder, Streetlight, and
Reckless (though Mod Lang and Amoeba are your best bets.)  "IYFS" can be
found anywhere, tho.

tata
Tara
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From jon.g at xxx.com  Thu Jul  2 19:43:19 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:43:19 +0100
Subject: Sinister: probably no new info about new B&S album
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Katrina wrote:

>cheers,
>Katrina. (patiently trying to get ALL the information for you all before
>she makes an announcement)

And we love her for it.

The new Mogwai is good, but it scares me rather.  I am prone to turning it
down, which I am sure is a bad thing to do.  My father has a habit of doing
it.  It cannot be good.

I cut my finger off (almost) today, so I can't type anymore.  Therefore, I
am not going to write anymore.  Isn't it busy on the list today?

Commenting on the amount of traffic on the list is the sinister way of
talking about the weather.

oh, Sarah: did you get your colours working?

Anyway, must dash, darling.  Ciao

jon g.
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From Kayemess at xxx.com  Thu Jul  2 20:12:39 1998
From: Kayemess at xxx.com (Kayemess at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:12:39 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Booooorrrrrrring.
Message-ID: <257c494a.359bdba8@aol.com>



  Fortunately, I have a few spare fingers lying around, so I will send one to
wee jon g. (who chopped his off today) shortly.  

  Mogwai is beautiful.  I am always surprised to see them appear on this list.
A friend who unsubscribed a while back remarked that Sinisterines seem to be
searching for bands with male singers/frontmen from the UK with that appealing
needy, tortured genius quality.  I'm thinking Pulp and Suede make the cut.  In
a way (a good way, mind you), so does Stuart M. 

  I'm really bored.

  -Kristen 
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From ip211579 at xxx.pt  Thu Jul  2 21:32:20 1998
From: ip211579 at xxx.pt (ANTONIO ZUQUETE)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:32:20 +0100
Subject: Sinister: xxxxxxx
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Does anyone know a band called  supergenius ?
And what about Rhatigan?
Someone told me that they are very good.
						Intrigued
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From suzsch at xxx.net  Fri Jul  3 00:06:00 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:06:00 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Lack of timing
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> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 15:33:18 UT
> From: "Karen David" <belleandsebastian at xxx.com>
> Subject: Sinister: Worthwhile Glasgow gig on Friday
> 
> Hello.
> Just Neil here again to say that if anyone in the Glasgow area is at a
loose 
> end on Friday night, then they might fancy taking a gig I can recommend.
> The line-up is Astrid, Camera Obscura and our own Luscious "Stevie"
Jackson, 
> and it takes place in Hyndland Church Hall, which is at 24 Novar Drive.
If you 
> don't know how to get there, err, get a taxi.
> No, It's off Hyndland Rd on the left-hand side as you go uphill. Hyndland
Rd, 
> or Highburgh Rd as it is for the first bit, comes off Byres Rd at the 
> crossroads with University Avenue. So you could get the tube to Hillhead
and 
> take the ten minute walk up Highburgh/ Hyndland Rd, or get a 44A bus,
which 
> drops you just at the top of Novar Drive, about 50 yds from the Church
Hall.
> Additional sounds will be provided by DJ Wee Beans Geddes, and I'll be
there 
> at the door to fleece you for £2.50.

It sucks.  All these cool gigs in Glasgow that only a couple of years ago,
I would have just been able to walk down the road for. Then again, Rocket
>From the Crypt and Cornershop were in town not long ago and I was too lazy
to go.

A week of moving and now I've got a goose egg sized bruise on my foot to
show for it.  It's strange to see a full picture on my TV since I haven't
had cable in months.

anyway, why does subpop have the release rights to the looper album?  Is
this side project going to be more than that?


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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Jul  3 09:15:16 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:15:16 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Snowbearpolarpatrol
Message-ID: <01bda65a$b61ec820$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


You know that "Snow Patrol" lot... Well, if anyone's still after a copy of
their Electric Honey EP when they were still called "Polar Bear", there's
a CD copy at Avalanche on Cockburn Street, Edinburgh going for £4.49.  I
didn't buy it, cause they don't particularly float my boat, but I thought
that there might be someone out their who fancies it.  It's in the Indie
CD singles section.



There's also been absolutely loads of them lying around every record shop in
the west end of Glasgow going for 99p for ages now too.

    See Peter, Rodddney's still here, you don't need to continue your
impersonation of him.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk  Fri Jul  3 10:48:07 1998
From: Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk (Huw Jenkins)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:48:07 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Calling all DJ's...
Message-ID: <61D51AF2F749D11196EA00805F387D440487C5@RMF1>


Any DJ's out there from London or there abouts, if so I need your help.
I'm having a house leaving party this Saturday and the DJ who we were
meant to have has pulled out so I despratley need someone to fill his
space.  If you think you can do it or you know some nice chap or young
lass who can then please e-mail me privatley and let me know if you can
make it and what it is that you like to play.

Ta very much,
Huw.




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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Fri Jul  3 06:39:58 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 06:39:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: All dressed up etc...
Message-ID: <359C6EAE.2DDC@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>


I don't know if David's already mailed about this ('cos I'm on the
digest) but there's no Blue Soda tonight due to us clashing with the
f**tb**l. 

 Sorry, but it's your own bloody fault for staying at home to watch
Belguim vs Albania or something a fortnight ago...

 Up the revolution!     Rory!!
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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Fri Jul  3 14:02:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:02:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Lets tell on CDZone
Message-ID: <6AD70330016A1600@c2gate.tcom.co.uk>


You know how CDZone were listing "Modern Rock Song" even though
it's never been released?

And remember how a few people like myself were suckered into placing
an order for it before we realised that CDZone are lying scum?

Well CDZone wouldn't cancel my order after they had been told that the
record didn't exist, and guess what - it's still listed on their site now.

I was just wondering if anyone else who has had problems with CDZone
wanted to pop onto Watchdog's web site and have a whinge about them.
I suspect that Watchdog would love to be at the "cutting edge" and
running an article on dodgy online retailers ;)

The place to go is:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/feedback/index.shtml

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From bfundak at xxx.net  Fri Jul  3 17:44:36 1998
From: bfundak at xxx.net (Brandt S. Fundak)
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 12:44:36 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Lets tell on CDZone
In-Reply-To: <6AD70330016A1600@c2gate.tcom.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980703124436.01099690@mail.bright.net>


At 02:02 PM 7/3/98 +0100, Kevan Cooke wrote:
>
>You know how CDZone were listing "Modern Rock Song" even though
>it's never been released?
>
>And remember how a few people like myself were suckered into placing
>an order for it before we realised that CDZone are lying scum?
>
>Well CDZone wouldn't cancel my order after they had been told that the
>record didn't exist, and guess what - it's still listed on their site now.

this makes me very sad, but it shows how some people get too big for their
britches.  If I was going to get anything B & S over the internet I'd check
Parasol or PAL Mailorder.  Never buy from a place like CDZone or CDNow.

I realize this is like a month late, but for some reason i felt like giving
good mailorder services their props.

Brandt
A large red drop of sun lingered on the horizon and then dripped over and
was gone, and the sky was brilliant over the spot where it had gone, and a
torn cloud, like a bloody rag, hung over the spot of it's going.

					John Steinbeck
				      The Grapes of Wrath
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From goodforyoo at xxx.com  Sat Jul  4 11:38:53 1998
From: goodforyoo at xxx.com (milla-isobel gregor)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 03:38:53 PDT
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <19980704103853.670.qmail@hotmail.com>


Helloo everyone and especially New York peeps. Anyone for a picnic next 
weekend?
Are Belle and Seb going to be playing here over the next couple of 
months?? Anyone know? I heard a rumour...
Anyway, take care, and happy 4th July (ra ra).
Milla-isobel     xx

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From gleng at xxx.com  Sat Jul  4 11:03:30 1998
From: gleng at xxx.com (gordon glen)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 18:03:30 +0800
Subject: Sinister: (no subject)
Message-ID: <359DFDF2.97A751B4@hkstar.com>


The attached was posted as a new release in this week's Rough Trade
circular.

 V TWIN-GIFTED
A Pastel and a Belle and Sebastian are on this cool Scottish indiepop
offering.

Has anyone heard it?

Gordon--
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From Funkyseb at xxx.com  Sat Jul  4 20:56:52 1998
From: Funkyseb at xxx.com (Funkyseb at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:56:52 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Shove it in the memory grill
Message-ID: <70e4a600.359e8905@aol.com>


        Isn't it fantastic! Jo Whiley just played 'The State I'm in', X fm
just played Century of Fakers, and It's impossible to avoid that there Salako
song. The only thing is, I never realise what it is until the chanty bit at
the end, so I never get to tape it. But there seems to be a (mini) media
bombardment going on. All right, a very small bombardment. Surely the magazine
covers can't be far off now. Maybe Select will do inflatable Stuarts? And the
sound of Dog on Wheels will waft tantalizingly from every open window, in
every street of every city...Oh! I'm suddenly very excited that by the end of
this year, there'll be another album, another tour, maybe even a proper
interview? Oh, probably not actually.
             I'm sorry, I'm waffling rubbish today, it's just I've finally got
a part in a proper, major film, (getting battered to death with ping pong
bats), and I'm so happy that I can't stop talking to people now, even though I
have nothing to say.   
         Erm...B&S..did anyone on the list see Chris Geddes on the wheels of
steel last night? i'd love to know what 'platters', in his opinion, 'matter'.
Something scary and industrial, I fancy, i read somewhere that he rawks a
great deal. 
              Someone mentioned something about a weird man on Victoria
Station?
Well, in an unrelated way, I was sat on London's fashionable Marylebone
station today, and the payphone rang suddenly.
Hello?, said my camp friend.
'You must be outside the coffee shop', replied a weird old lady, 'I'm waiting
for my son. You should go and get some milk.'

After a few minutes spent pondering the meaning of this, the phone rang again.
'Hello, ' I said.
'Is there an injured person on the station?' she said.
'No.'
'Look. See if there are lots of dead people on a train.There will be.'
And she hung up.
The woman was totally sincere, and quite scary. Has anyone else had this
happen? I mean, was this a one off or does she phone all major stations, to
scare impressionable, Scream fixated teenagers? I'd like to know.

Oh, and I've just bought an orange toothbrush in honour of Holland. Hoorah!

Sorry about the length of this mail, I just had a lot to get off my chest
there.
Seb


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From sarah at xxx.uk  Sat Jul  4 19:40:41 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (lickle sarah)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:40:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Dexys
Message-ID: <fVYLJAApcnn1EwmR@elsato97.demon.co.uk>


Hiya, 

last thursday I bought two ol' Dexys singles on 7" (50p each, yey!) at
Preston market, and one is called Dance Stance. HOWEVER on the ALLLBUM
they've decided 'oh no, it must be called Burn It Down', why have they
changed it? That confused me for ages when I bought it, then I
listenined to it and went...hang on, this seems a tad familiar...

heehee - played Searching for the Young Soul Rebels in Creative Writing
ages ago, and my pal Katie was doing something on the computers as the
radio crackles about at the start of Burn It Down, and when Kev shouted,
she jumped so hard she fell off her chair!! heehee, ooh much
hilarity.....cruel, but jolly...
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From Funkyseb at xxx.com  Sat Jul  4 21:22:19 1998
From: Funkyseb at xxx.com (Funkyseb at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:22:19 EDT
Subject: Sinister: The boy who's always dancing
Message-ID: <b3c54a06.359e8efc@aol.com>


Hello!
I've just been trawling through the archives (am I the last to do so?) and I
had to tear myself away. I suddenly realised how many messages there must be
out there, and I  got rather scared, and rather giddy. And some of the
threads...something about Sid James that Peter Miller pronounced rather
strange; hissy turntables, and some other stuff I can't think of. You could
feasibly spend forever there, reading as fast as you can, but all the while, a
fresh pile of steaming posts dollops into your mail box, and you get no where.
It's like when someone told me that you could only read 2000 books in your
life, and I thought 'no', but when you add it up, there just isn't enough time
Aggh! AAGGGHH!
But what I wanted to ask was:
 Can anyone recomend (and I know you love to) songs that sound like electronic
renaissance? Even vaguely?
I've thought of The Pet Shop Boys, (things like Where the streets have no name
or whtever it's really called, and New Order, and even Pulp (at the time of
His n' Hers,)
and I really want that sort of ghostly, synthy p!o!p! sound running through my
head.So, if anyone has any ideas?
Seb
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From jon.g at xxx.com  Sat Jul  4 22:24:42 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:24:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The boy who's always dancing
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Date: 04 July 1998 21:44
Subject: Sinister: The boy who's always dancing


> Can anyone recomend (and I know you love to) songs that sound like
electronic
>renaissance? Even vaguely?


ARRGGHHH!!!  Why do you want to do that?  Electronic Renaissance is great,
but only because it has the marvellous B&S aspects to it.  But without that,
it would be an 80s dodgy synth and kiddy drum machine record.

Please, let's not have an 80s revival, everyone.  I wasn't culturally alive
in the 80s, but there seems to be nothing of any real cultural significance
yelling at me from the last decade, unlike the 60s and 70s, which are
screaming at me all day long.  All there seems to be is dodgy kiddy casio
keyboards and pop stars who don't write their own songs.  I know there must
have been more, but I can't see it.  Can anyone help?  Or I am I right?

jon g. [just been out to see grease with bethey and it was *great* - v.
funny]
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From tangent at xxx.net  Sun Jul  5 10:12:27 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 10:12:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The boy who's always dancing
References: <b3c54a06.359e8efc@aol.com>
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> and I really want that sort of ghostly, synthy p!o!p! sound running through my
> head.So, if anyone has any ideas?
> Seb

the duke says go for the merritt man. stephin merritt, the only
songwriter at the moment who comes close to the murdoch man. all these m
letters. some coincidence? whatever... his recordings as the magnetic
fields (named after the andre breton surrealist writing, fact fans) are
monumentally wonderful, and all have their little quirks that make them
individual. if you like female vocals that remind you of Alison Statton
and sometimes Joni (Blue) Mitchell go for the first two LPs 'Distant
Plastic trees'/'The Wayward Bus' (on one cd). if you prefer your male
vocals sounding like Johnny Cash and Ian Curtis go for 'Get Lost' and
'Charm of The Highway Strip', the latter particularly if you go for the
Cash thing cos it has a lovely electro-country feel. He also records as
Gothic Archies, who have one minilength CD and Future Bible Heroes who
have the marvelous 'memories of Love' album and an EP. 'Lonely Days'
sounds for the all the world like it could be a Microdisney song, and
'You pretend to be the moon' just sends me. I would love to see B&S do
some merritt songs, and vice versa. Oh yeah there's also the 6ths record
'Wasps Nests', which has Merritt songs sung by lots of different
indiepop stars... Dean Wareham sings 'Falling Out Of Love (With You)'
and it makes your heart shatter.

just been playing Sinister for the first time in a while, and blow me
down, isn't it just the greatest? :-) 

keep the faith,

the duke
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From rod at xxx.com  Sun Jul  5 01:27:23 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:27:23 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: pickernic in the park
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980705011743.1647E-100000@localhost>


Hello You!

It's a week to go until T in the Park, and I'll be there, and I imagine a
fair smattering of you folks will be too.  Anyone fancy having a bit of a
meet-up there?  We could arrange a time, and there's that MeeTing poinT
near the main stage that we could all show up at.

In fact, if it's like last year, there are four sides labelled North,
South, East and Fishcake.  No, only kidding.  The last one's West.  (Bet I
had you all going there, huh.)  So we can arrange a time, but you have to
stand at the side of the meeting point pertinent to where you were born. 
So Glaswegians have to stand to the west, Londoners to the south, and
people from the Midlands have to clamber into the centre of it.  Or
something. 

Anyway, anyone got any idea of who's on when so we can arrange sommit?

Or, if all else fails, I'll almost certainly be wearing my red Helen
Love[1] T-shirt.  So if you see a geeky-looking bloke wearing one[2],
shout "Dave!" at him, and there's a 99.9999% chance that it'll be me --
the only other person on the planet I've ever seen wear one is Rock
McMurray. 

Anyhoos, make sure and e-mail me personally as well as the list, cause I'm
still not subscribed.

Laters,

Rod.

[1] New single out soon, by the way.  See http://www.glam.net/bbs/

[2] Possibly accompanied by a girl wearing totally unsuitable clothes, and
a bright purple wig, unless I can convince her that her plan to be noticed
by the media is COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID! 

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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Sun Jul  5 13:27:13 1998
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:27:13 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Nothing that interesting really...
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On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, duke of harringay wrote:

> just been playing Sinister for the first time in a while, and blow me
> down, isn't it just the greatest? :-) 

I know the feeling - when I got home from my first day at work on Monday,
I was feeling absolutely shattered (maybe 'cos of the 4 mile bike ride
home... I'm really desparately unfit at the moment...), so I went into my
room and played Tigermilk. By the end of it I was ready for anything... It
was so good I just had to rewind the tape and listen to it all again...

On a completely off-topic note, does anyone out there know anything about
a band called Gravel? Like, how long have they been around, are they
signed etc? They supported Hofman (aka Blur without decent tunes) here
last night, at about 30 minutes notice because neither of the support
bands had turned up, and they were impressively good. All I know about
them is what I gleaned last night - namely, that they're from Peterboro
and that the singer looks like Ian Brown. And they sound like a cross
between snow patrol and the Wonderstuff.

Oh, and is anyone out there going to the Pulp fandango in Finsbury Park
in a fortnight?


The Tall Git


PS When's the next picnic?

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From gleng at xxx.com  Sun Jul  5 13:18:12 1998
From: gleng at xxx.com (gordon glen)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 20:18:12 +0800
Subject: Sinister: HK virtual picnic
Message-ID: <359F6F03.E7E5F020@hkstar.com>


Unsubscribe (only until I get back from my hols)

The Hong Kong branch of the B&S supporters club had a virtual picnic
last Friday in Mad Dogs, well actually it was more like a couple of
beers after work but it was fun.

Gordon

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From cc297 at xxx.ca  Sun Jul  5 14:40:33 1998
From: cc297 at xxx.ca (Alvin de Leon)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:40:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: looper review/hopkirk & lee
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Looper - Impossible Things  

anybody wanna send me a music review of the single???

Also, can somebody please send me a discography of 

Hopkirk & Lee or any news about the band.. 

thanks 

xoxo
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Sun Jul  5 14:46:03 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:46:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Nothing that interesting really...
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> On a completely off-topic note, does anyone out there know anything about
> a band called Gravel? Like, how long have they been around, are they
> signed etc? They supported Hofman (aka Blur without decent tunes) 

so who are the blur WITH decent tunes?

espadrille

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From shop at xxx.uk  Sun Jul  5 17:08:07 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 17:08:07 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The boy who's always dancing
References: <b3c54a06.359e8efc@aol.com>
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Funkyseb at aol.com wrote:
<snip>
>  Can anyone recomend (and I know you love to) songs that sound like electronic
> renaissance? Even vaguely?
> I've thought of The Pet Shop Boys, (things like Where the streets have no name
> or whtever it's really called, and New Order, and even Pulp (at the time of
> His n' Hers,)
> and I really want that sort of ghostly, synthy p!o!p! sound running through my
> head.So, if anyone has any ideas?
> Seb

you got pulp right, but wrong period, try the album 'separations', particularly the track
'countdown'.

david kitchen

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From rewb2 at xxx.uk  Sun Jul  5 17:38:51 1998
From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (rob b)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:38:51 +0100
Subject: Sinister: the fox in the snow
Message-ID: <E0ysrnq-0004XY-00@sand2.global.net.uk>


 
The Thought Fox
by Ted Hughes 

I imagine this midnight moment's forest:
Something else is alive
Besides the clock's loneliness
And this blank page where my fingers move.

Through the window I see no star:
Something more near
Though deeper within darkness
Is entering the loneliness:

Cold, delicately as the dark snow,
A fox's nose touches twig, leaf;
Two eyes serve a movement, that now
And again now, and now, and now

Sets neat prints into the snow
Between trees, and warily a lame
Shadow lags by stump and in hollow
Of a body that is bold to come

Across clearings, an eye,
A widening deepening greenness,
Brilliantly, concentratedly,
Coming about its own business

Till, with sudden sharp hot stink of fox
It enters the dark hole of the head.
The window is starless still; the clock ticks,
The page is printed. 
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From rewb2 at xxx.uk  Sun Jul  5 17:50:33 1998
From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (rob b)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:50:33 +0100
Subject: Sinister: glandular fever... arse
Message-ID: <E0yss1T-0005Qm-00@sand2.global.net.uk>



hello all

i'm ill with glandular fever at the moment, so i expect lots of sympathy
from you lot!

aanyway, i just posted 'the thought fox', a rather nice poem by ted hughes.
 it's something i'm always reminded of by the song 'the fox in the snow'
(for obvious reasons).  and i was just wondering if anyone else found the
same sort of thing happened with any other songs.  are you reminded of a
work of art, literature, poem, film, or indeed anything at all, when you
hear one of belle and sebastian's songs?

i find 'slow graffiti' reminds me of 'the picture of dorian gray' a bit,
because of the lines: 'there's a portrait in a back room which i keep for
days upon which i relent and gaze for hours on the muscles skin and bone of
some imaginary friend.'
and that reminds me - slow graffiti, isn't that song going to be in 'the
acid house' when it comes out?  does anyone know when the film is due to
grace our cinemas?

so sampras has won again...  hmmm, i'm getting rather bored of him winning
wimbledon every year.

ah well, time for tea.

rob
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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Sun Jul  5 18:26:59 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:26:59 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The boy who's always dancing
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jon g wrote:
> Please, let's not have an 80s revival, everyone.  I wasn't culturally
alive
> in the 80s, but there seems to be nothing of any real cultural
significance
> yelling at me from the last decade, unlike the 60s and 70s, which are
> screaming at me all day long.  All there seems to be is dodgy kiddy casio
> keyboards and pop stars who don't write their own songs.  I know there
must
> have been more, but I can't see it.  Can anyone help?  Or I am I right?

ok, so not having been born until 1980 myself (8th July, making me 18 on
Wednesday, just so yous know...), i'm probably not the best authority on
this decade, but what about The Smiths?- one of the greastest groups EVER.
And believe me, i do not hand out recomendations like that lightly.

actualy, there's a way for me to link B&S in with this (for the first time
in ages). I've just been reading 'Morrissey & Marr- the Severed Alliance'
while listening to 'Seymour Stein' for the first time in ages. He was
mentioned in the book, then i heard the line "he reminded you of
Johnny/before he went Electronic" Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I never
heard that bit before. Hehehe that is *so* cool.

anyhoo, what about Adam Ant? or Blondie? or New Order? or JAMC? or Billy
Bragg? or countless others that i'm too young to remember...

> jon g. [just been out to see grease with bethey and it was *great* - v.
> funny]

tis a truely marvellous film... encouraging kids to smoke, pierce their own
ears, drink and completely change their looks and personality in order to
get a shag. bought it when i was 10 and have loved it to death ever since.
Incidently, got the top of my ear pierced last week and it is still
throbbing and aching like hell. am scared it is gonna go all infected and
mutated and icky. ouch.

woohoo! Don't Look Back is gonna be on at the Filmhouse. Yay!

Sorry, i get excited easily. and i'm still trying to get over the rather
amusing fact that Curly Watts from Corrie was in a band with Johnny Marr.
Hehehe.

love,
Debbie xx

(swooning already at the thought of seeing Bernard Butler again, at T in
the Park; oooooooh he is a guitar god...)

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From jim.nisbet at xxx.com  Sun Jul  5 21:27:18 1998
From: jim.nisbet at xxx.com (Jim Nisbet)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:27:18 +0000
Subject: Sinister: B&S on Radio Scotland soon!
Message-ID: <199807051928.UAA28397@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


Timed at 2024 BST.

Don't know if this will reach anyone in time but Peter Easton has 
announced that he will be playing a track (don't know which one) from 
the new B&S album on his show 'Beat Patrol' which is on NOW!

Jim

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From Ociosoig at xxx.com  Sun Jul  5 20:27:28 1998
From: Ociosoig at xxx.com (Ociosoig at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 15:27:28 EDT
Subject: Sinister: The boy who's always dancing(for seb)
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if we're talking about the same thing like electronic keyboards doing
renesance music,then you definently need to get Rick Wakeman-preferably the
album "The six wives of Henry 8th" i love it. i bought the record the other
day in the bargain bin for (( cents. what a break. he plays all keyboards
including moog synth.;harpsichord;electric piano;mellotron and others and its
just great.   the songs are based on the keyboard versions of what he thinks
Henry's wives liked inb music,but it is the best.  later.

-a.james
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Sun Jul  5 20:31:16 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (lickle sarah)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:31:16 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 80's tunes
Message-ID: <O$dGwBAES9n1EwGB@elsato97.demon.co.uk>


Oh Jong just NO NO NO!

The 80's had some MARVELLOUS music!!! I mean take the Lexicon of Love by
ABC, it is sheer classic POP with some of the greatest lyrics and best
thing written on an album sleeve ever :

"a-z affectionately, 1-10 alphabetically, from here to eternity without
inbetweens, still looking for a custom fit in an off the rack world?
sales talk from sales assistants when all I want to do is lower your
resistance. No rythm in cymbals no tempo in drums. Love's on arival she
comes when she comes. Right on the target but wide of the LEXICON OF
LOVE"

Yes!! Tis fucking great. Get it, 50p from a charity shop or market stall
NEAR YOU! Along with Parallel Lines by Blondie and the first Farm album
which are ALWAYS THERE.

And there are people far more qualified than me to talk about McCarthy
and Felt and the Go-Betweens (who have already been siezed on) and lots
of Popsters inbetween.....
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From gary at xxx.uk  Mon Jul  6 00:04:11 1998
From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 00:04:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Polar Bear
Message-ID: <000001bda869$39344040$45547ec2@default>


Hi All,

On the subject of the Polar Bear Electric Honey e.p. Was this a similar deal
to the Tigermilk release and if any kind soul in the Glasgow area can lay
there hands on a copy to send to little old me, i'd be eternally grateful,
as snow patrol do indeed "float my boat" .... errrr whatever that means.

Oh and yeah, when's the Salako e.p out ?.

Gary

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From shop at xxx.uk  Sun Jul  5 22:43:47 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 22:43:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: london picnic this saturday on primrose hill (11th july)
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just a quickie,

i got accused of being lazy in not organising another pique-er-nique so soon.

so to catch you all a little of balance here are the details of a gathering this weekend.

we've returned to primrose hill as that seems to be our spiritual resting place (islington didn't
suit us!).
we'll meet at the usual spot outside camden town tube station at around 2pm and will then proceed to
the hill for the usual myriad of fun and games amidst the mound of food that will be built on
someone's coat.
the picnic also has a special quality about it - our star footballer's returned (shelley) and it's
her birfday on the day before.
what to bring? oh, the usual necessities, yourself and some food for the communal buffet, and maybe
a friend, a smile and a game of some sort.
EVERYONE is invited with no exceptions, and here's to hoping that this one will surpass all the
previous gatherings.

david kitchen

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From TFertig3 at xxx.com  Mon Jul  6 05:28:54 1998
From: TFertig3 at xxx.com (TFertig3 at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 00:28:54 EDT
Subject: Sinister: impertinence for the most part
Message-ID: <b6fe9977.35a05288@aol.com>



            I've just gotten back from fire works, which always bewilder me,
yet when it comes right down to it I get bored within minutes.  I was flipping
through me television guide yesterday and I noticed that there was a listing
for an Independence Day Concert.  This was in fact channel 6's hour and a half
of the Glastonbury festival, which I suspiciously decided to watch.  Argh, of
all the world's (and especially England's) great musical bands, the American
broadcasting business chose to show us America's own crappy offerings, such as
the Foo Fighters, Matchbox 20, and Dave Matthews Band.  It just pisses me off
that most of the American public enjoys such awful music and I have to suffer
because of it.  

          _Children of Paradise_ is a fine film.  You should all see it.  In a
few days there's going to be a lawn chair drive in of _Grand Illusion_, which
I'm excited about because I've always wanted to go to a drive in movie.  I
think Arab Strap's playing some time soon at the Khyber in Philadelphia, but
it's over 21 and sadly I do not fit into that category.  Are they worth it
though, just out of curiousity?

         
          Go well,
                  Tami
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From kmcguire at xxx.com  Mon Jul  6 06:43:58 1998
From: kmcguire at xxx.com (McGuire)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:43:58 -0700
Subject: Sinister: random b+s bits and pieces
Message-ID: <005801bda8a1$153f1a60$9f83b3cc@p114-73h-w.yosemite.reshall.calpoly.edu>


its getting late and i just woke up. worked all day. tried to sleep the
night away but ended up waking for cigarettes and a banana (phallic, maybe,
tasty, definitely). i put on the dogs on wheels ep and something came to
mind when listening to 'belle and sebastian.' this isn't really a question i
guess, just a comment. i was just curious if the line 'you'd better take a
weight off of your mind and listen/ to what other people say/ cause things
are going wrong your own way' is a reference to crime and punishment. i
wouldn't think this at all probably if it wasn't for modern rock song's 'not
as sad as dostoevsky...' line... but either way, in c+p one of the
characters says something to the same effect (zametov? svidrigailov?) that
'it's better to go wrong in one's own way that to go right in someone
else's.' maybe this has been mention before. i don't know. like i said,
random b+s bits and pieces. ok, back to smoking.

-kelly

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From JMoorkens at xxx.ie  Sat Jul  4 09:14:03 1998
From: JMoorkens at xxx.ie (Josh Moorkens)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:14:03 +0100 
Subject: Sinister: Is it really so strange?
Message-ID: <51EBF97B44A8D111B6650000F805734C104413@DUB_EXCHANGE_1>


	tara says:
> 1.  The other night someone told me that Axl Rose has recruited Tommy
> Stinson for the latest incarnation of Gun'n'Roses.  Way.  And the next
> day I saw an article in a music mag confirming this!
	Ummmm... pardon my ignorance, but who is Tommy Stinson?
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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Mon Jul  6 09:59:46 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:59:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: random b+s bits and pieces 
Message-ID: <19980706085946.16046.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com>



kelly wrote..

> i was just curious if the line 'you'd better take a weight off of your
> mind and listen/ to what other people say/ cause things are going
> wrong your own way' is a reference to crime and punishment. i 
> wouldn't think this at all probably if it wasn't for modern rock 
> song's 'not as sad as dostoevsky...' line... but either way, in c+p 
> one of the characters says something to the same effect (zametov? 
> vidrigailov?) that 'it's better to go wrong in one's own way that to 
> go right in someone else's.'

I haven't read C+P, but it sounds plausible to me, anyway. Ooh this
mailing list is *so* erudite.  I bet the influence of 19th Century
Russian literature *never* crops up on the Shed Seven list.  Is there
a Shed Seven list?  What a fantastic thing it must be.

There's also the line "Look at it this way / You could either be
successful or be US", which maybe gets at a similar thing.  Sometimes
I wilfully mishear it as "You could either be successful or be arse",
which I quite like too.

nick xx
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From aevans at xxx.uk  Mon Jul  6 10:10:24 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:10:24 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Community Composting
Message-ID: <01BDA8C6.6D024C20@pc07628>



FunkySeb was in a mess :

>Can anyone recomend (and I know you love to) songs that sound >like electronic
>renaissance? Even vaguely?
>I've thought of The Pet Shop Boys, (things like Where the streets >have no name
>or whtever it's really called, and New Order, and even Pulp (at the >time of
>His n' Hers,)
>and I really want that sort of ghostly, synthy p!o!p! sound running >through my
>head.So, if anyone has any ideas?

Joy Division - Isolation (Closer version) ? You did say vaguely.

Eddie Yates.
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From honey at xxx.net  Mon Jul  6 10:58:50 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:58:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Warning: Core Meltdown
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980706105428.24354G-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


There's a little chaos here and there on the list at the moment: I
had my main server go down at the weekend with memory problems - I
came in on Saturday and discovered the poor wee soul had rebooted
itself 91 times and was crying out for mummy.  Apologies and please
bear with me as I am a busy honey.

Oh thanks to those who told us about the new B&S track on the radio
yesterday.  In keeping with my usual behaviour just now, I have it
all taped, but unfortunately it seems to have recorded some adverts
instead.  Anyone what a tape? :)

P.S. It's Linda's birthday today, but no-one mention anything as
she'll be embarrassed.

The Honey who was Paul xxx

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From jossleag at xxx.ie  Mon Jul  6 11:16:35 1998
From: jossleag at xxx.ie (Joss and/or Leagues)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:16:35 +0100
Subject: Sinister: V Twin
Message-ID: <v01530500630b61bb4b27@[194.125.41.151]>


(Leagues sent this saturday by just hitting reply, so it went all wrong...)
gordon:
> V TWIN-GIFTED
>A Pastel and a Belle and Sebastian are on this cool Scottish indiepop
>offering.
>
>Has anyone heard it?
>
>Gordon--

Yes, it's rockin' actually

imagine C86 made sexy - one half bubblegum with snazzy "Beans" Geddez piano
and one half drunken and sad and very country, with snazzy "Beans" Geddez
organ.

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From TWidmer at xxx.com  Mon Jul  6 17:39:40 1998
From: TWidmer at xxx.com (Tara Widmer)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:39:40 -0700
Subject: Sinister: super duper looper
Message-ID: <81C1FB3F4D1ED111A51400805FC1DF031F54CD@amerwksnt01.xil.com>


Hey kids, addicted to noise has the following in today's issue:

"A single from Belle and Sebastian member Stuart David's side project,
Looper, will be released on July 7 on the Sub Pop label. The two-song
single from the Scottish pop group member will feature the tracks
"Impossible Things" and "Spaceboy Dream #3" and incorporate spoken word
and homemade beats, the latter featuring fellow B&S members Stuart
Murdoch, Karn David and Chris Geddes. 
[Mon., Jul 6, 1998 2:33 AM EDT]"

surely that's a boo-boo about Karn being a B&S member but otherwise i
guess this might be what they call old news

I'm having a really really bad day and it's only 9:29 AM right now, my
haircut looks bad and i think i have food poisoning.

well another digest just came through, that should help...

ta
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From SLamba at xxx.COM  Mon Jul  6 17:33:18 1998
From: SLamba at xxx.COM (Lamba, Sanjeet )
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:33:18 -0700 
Subject: Sinister: Is it really so strange?
Message-ID: <422B07DB41D7D111B9AF00805F19B04CE8BC96@SFNS01>


Tommy Stinson played bass (I believe) for the Replacements, and last I
heard, had his own band called Perfect, and all I've ever heard by them was
a cover of Crocodile Rock (really fun listening). His previous band, Bash &
Pop, put out a great album called Friday Night Is Killing Me, and it had
that one single you might remember called Loose Ends??? (Time to tie your
loose ends up (tie 'em up).....)???? Good alcohol rock.
This, by the way, ties in with another vein of this mailing list: '80's
music. The Replacements, while not at all synth-pop, were still a great
band.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Josh Moorkens [SMTP:JMoorkens at xxx.ie]
> Sent:	Saturday, July 04, 1998 1:14 AM
> To:	'Tara Widmer'
> Cc:	'sinister at majordomo.net'
> Subject:	RE: Sinister: Is it really so strange?
> 
> 
> 	tara says:
> > 1.  The other night someone told me that Axl Rose has recruited Tommy
> > Stinson for the latest incarnation of Gun'n'Roses.  Way.  And the next
> > day I saw an article in a music mag confirming this!
> 	Ummmm... pardon my ignorance, but who is Tommy Stinson?
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From parachute at xxx.net  Mon Jul  6 17:40:46 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (brad)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 12:40:46 -0400
Subject: Sinister: hey ma, look at me
Message-ID: <35A0FE0E.754E@earthlink.net>


well well well.

if it ain't the sinister list. how you been good buddy?

listen, i'm gonna make this short and sweet.

there's this new web-zine that i'm contributing a weekly column for.
last week they had a review of "philophobia"....so it's a good one. i'm
doing my part in spreading the word. my column is linked on the main
page under, you guessed it,...."columns"

so help someone out i don't know (but seems alright) and go to his new
zine. 

and for those moose fans out there....as you may or may not know, i have
a badly designed web page for them and rumour had it they were no
longer. here's what i got in the mail yestiddy from the band:

"Hello
The band certainly have not split up.  In fact they have a new album
entitled, 'Twelve New Ways To Fly' due for release Fall 1998.
They are negotiating a Stateside release for this & the previously
unavailable albums.
The UK label Cool Badge Recordings will be releasing Moose material in
the UK & teaming up with labels for a worldwide release.
Cool Badge is also embarking on a 7" singles club series, with Tarnation
& Moose the first artists to release a John Denver covers double 'A'
side"

i feel like such a big shot.

brad
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From tonyk at xxx.com  Mon Jul  6 17:54:17 1998
From: tonyk at xxx.com (Kiewel, Tony)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:54:17 -0700 
Subject: Sinister: super duper looper
Message-ID: <BBB30CC3B170D011BC1800A0C915F10DAC67AA@geffen-la.geffen.com>


The Looper 7" is absolutely wonderful. Unfortunately it's hard for my
lazy American ears to make out a lot of what Stuart is saying. Oh well,
I'm sure it's only a matter of time before it all clicks.  The music on
the B side definitely has Murdoch written all over it, while the A side
is a bit more on the loopy side and I think mostly S. David's work.

That's my quick take on the 7" for you, now go get it!!!! 

so sad at work after a lovely weekend,
tonyk
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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Mon Jul  6 18:19:13 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:19:13 +0100
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: New Belle and Sebastian album!
Message-ID: <35A10711.2468A6FD@jeepster.co.uk>


hi all,

well, we've all waited long enough, now that most of the details are
finalised, it seems appropriate to let you all know what's going on.

The new Belle and Sebastian album is going to be released on September
7th, 1998.  This is a world-wide release date.  The album will be
released by the following companies on the following formats + catalogue
numbers for the respective territories:

UK & Eire - Jeepster - CD(JPRCD003)/MC(JPRMC003)/LP(JPRLP003)
North America - Matador CD(7 44861 03112 3)/LP(OLE-311-1)
France & Europe - Delabel/Virgin France CD(07243 846429 2 1)/MC(07243
846429 4 5)/LP (07243 846429 1 4)
Japan - Virgin Japan/EMI CD only (unknown cat#)
Australia - Virgin/EMI CD only (unknown cat#)

There is still no title for the album.

The track-listing is as follows:

1. It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career
2. Sleep The Clock Around
3. Is It Wicked Not To Care
4. Ease Your Feet Into The Sea
5. A Summer Wasting
6. Seymour Stein
7. Spaceboy Dream
8. Dirty Dream #2
9. The Boy With The Arab Strap
10. Chick Factor
11. Simple Things
12. The Rollercoaster Ride

The band will be touring around the world to support this album.  The
individual dates are still yet to be confirmed, however the pattern is
looking like this:

31/08 - 12/09   UK gigs
24/09 - 07/10   Northern Europe gigs
21/10 - 04/11   West Coast USA + Canada gigs

As soon as the dates are confimed, i will post the information to the
list.  

For those of you awaiting news regarding the jeepster and belle and
sebastian web-sites, an annoucement will be made early next week.

Cheers,
Katrina
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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Mon Jul  6 18:38:30 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:38:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: the impotence of ernest
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sarah wrote:
> The 80's had some MARVELLOUS music!!! I mean take the Lexicon of Love by
> ABC, it is sheer classic POP with some of the greatest lyrics and best
> thing written on an album sleeve ever

hooray, i have this too: bought on vinyl with a falling apart sleeve for
the pricely sum of 49p due to my insistence on only buying 80's records on
second hand vinyl, which is much better than cds, if only for the
excitement i feel when discovering words scratched into the end of the
groove.

alas, i cannot listen to any of my lovely records just now as my cat chose
last night to jump onto the record player and break the arm. boo.

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From shop at xxx.uk  Mon Jul  6 18:39:09 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:39:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: New Belle and Sebastian album - part 2
Message-ID: <35A10BBD.8F4F57E4@jeepster.co.uk>


minor mistake in the first message and the obvious repercussions mean that you now get to see a
hasty second message to try and clear things up.

"21/10 - 04/11   West Coast USA + Canada gigs"

this should have been EAST COAST and NOT west coast, it does still include canada though!

regarding the other dates mentioned, please don't mail us for exact dates or venues as these are all
still to be confirmed - we promise as usual to make sure you know the information before the press
do, so just stay tuned and you'll know first anyway.

thanks for your patience

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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Mon Jul  6 18:44:42 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:44:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: oh happy day
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katrina wrote:
> well, we've all waited long enough, now that most of the details are
> finalised, it seems appropriate to let you all know what's going on.

oh!
oh!
oh!
YES YES YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
Hooray! At last! Finally! WooHoo!
Fallsoffseatinuncontrolableboutofmadhysteriawaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

ahem. am quite pleased then...

debbie xx
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From Ociosoig at xxx.com  Mon Jul  6 18:53:56 1998
From: Ociosoig at xxx.com (Ociosoig at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:53:56 EDT
Subject: Sinister: looper: the only hope is you out there in sinister-land.
Message-ID: <32780ccb.35a10f35@aol.com>


thanks for the track listing on the new B&S.

 ok: is jen phillips in town? just because she is so reliable. thank you jen
for the CD
transaction. =)   but now another favour is needed by myself.  if your out
there jen- i can trust you,but if not i will be willing to take other offers.
that sounds dumb. ok here
we go.  will someone be gracious enough to buy the looper 7 inch for me and
sent it to me if i send you money for it? i would be most grateful.  and dont
tell me- oh you can get it from subpop- because im too much of a fruit to talk
to people from subpop.
they scare me. and i realise that could be "simpler" but not to me. so would
anyone be willing to do this?   thank you kindly.

cheers;

a.james
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From Ociosoig at xxx.com  Mon Jul  6 18:57:00 1998
From: Ociosoig at xxx.com (Ociosoig at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:57:00 EDT
Subject: Sinister: the impotence of ernest
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I hope we're not talking about the same ABC.....because the only ABC is
remember 
is the kiddie-R&B hip-hop group which bombed successfully.  =) yipe.

-a.james
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From Nicola4230 at xxx.com  Mon Jul  6 21:15:37 1998
From: Nicola4230 at xxx.com (Nicola4230 at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:15:37 EDT
Subject: Sinister: RE: jeepster-news: New Belle and Sebastian album - part 2
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<<minor mistake in the first message and the obvious repercussions mean that
you now get to see a hasty second message to try and clear things up.
"21/10 - 04/11 West Coast USA + Canada gigs"
this should have been EAST COAST and NOT west coast, it does still include
canada though!>>

Not too minor to those of us here on the West Coast!!!
just kidding.
No I'm not! :*(
Is there *any* chance B&S will be making their way here to the West Coast this
year? Or should I start booking my plane tickets now?

This is kind of like what Pulp just did, paying only NY, Boston and DC. S'not
fair!!

not at all bitter,
tara
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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Mon Jul  6 21:21:47 1998
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:21:47 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: New Belle and Sebastian album! Woohoo!
In-Reply-To: <35A10711.2468A6FD@jeepster.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980706211017.19896A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>


I come back from work, after another dreary Monday, and what do I find in
my inbox? Only a picnic, an album and a tour! That's made my day / week /
month / year...

> There is still no title for the album.

How about "The Family Twee"?
 
> The track-listing is as follows:

<snip>

All I can say is, if Tigermilk and I Know Where The Summer Goes aren't
even good enough to make it onto the final tracklisting, it's going to be
*&!*ing wonderful...
 
> The band will be touring around the world to support this album.  The
> individual dates are still yet to be confirmed, however the pattern is
> looking like this:
> 
> 31/08 - 12/09   UK gigs

Hey shame, my summer job finishes on 29/08... Then I've got a month off...
Anyone fancy hiring a camper van and following them round the country?

And on a more immediate note, is the Blue Soda social happening on Friday
night, and if so could any kind person in London offer me a bed /
floorspace for Friday night before the picnic the next day? I'm perfectly
house-trained...

The Happy Git

PS Anyone fancy telling us WHICH album track was played on Beat Patrol
last night? And what it was like?

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From itstrue at xxx.net  Mon Jul  6 21:39:10 1998
From: itstrue at xxx.net (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 16:39:10 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Re: jeepster-news: New Belle and Sebastian album!
References: <35A10711.2468A6FD@jeepster.co.uk>
Message-ID: <35A135ED.35DD@earthlink.net>


What?!  You mean I'm actually going to be able to hear "Sleep the Clock
Around" without a muted part after the first verse?!  That...is good
news.

Now, before anyone says anything, I already went to the archives, and I
did a search and got nothing.  So, having not been on the list for
several months and not having the time to go through every message since
I unsubscribed, can I just ask....Whatever happened to the Modern Rock
Song EP that was supposed to come out before the album?  And if it IS
coming out, will it have "Slow Graffiti" on it?  If you want me to cry,
say "No".

And an unofficial question for Katrina:

How different are the album versions of "Sleep the Clock Around" and
"Seymour Stein" from the BBC sessions?  

Ooh, and any chance of getting a BBC sessions album?  I know that sounds
like a silly question, but...I'd pretty much kill for a version of LLPJ
that doesn't cut off just after it starts smoking.  

Short for fanatic,
     Reid
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From tasha at xxx.com  Mon Jul  6 21:52:46 1998
From: tasha at xxx.com (Girl Racer)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:52:46 -0700
Subject: Sinister: RE: jeepster-news: New Belle and Sebastian album - part 2
Message-ID: <9807061352.ZM14750@blort>


>this should have been EAST COAST and NOT west coast, it does still include
canada though!>>


aaaagh!!  blast!!!

i was happy for a second.... then i scrolled down.... :(


sob. sob. weep.

well maybe tara and i can have our own little b&s party.... sob. sob.

console me.

tasha

-- 
Tasha Wedeen
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http://www.geocities.com/~girlracer
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From tonyk at xxx.com  Mon Jul  6 22:09:08 1998
From: tonyk at xxx.com (Kiewel, Tony)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:09:08 -0700 
Subject: Sinister: RE: West Coast Blues
Message-ID: <BBB30CC3B170D011BC1800A0C915F10DAC67B4@geffen-la.geffen.com>


What do you say all of us west coast Americans pool our money and just
fly them out here for one big west coast extravaganza. I've heard talk
of some excited fans in Seattle attempting to pull this off...

sugarsmacks,
tonyk
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From SLamba at xxx.COM  Mon Jul  6 22:12:09 1998
From: SLamba at xxx.COM (Lamba, Sanjeet )
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:12:09 -0700 
Subject: Sinister: RE: West Coast Blues
Message-ID: <422B07DB41D7D111B9AF00805F19B04CE8BCB1@SFNS01>


Count me in.
Though I'm only good for a couple of bucks.
But they can crash at my place (if I have one by then)

> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> 
> What do you say all of us west coast Americans pool our money and just
> fly them out here for one big west coast extravaganza. I've heard talk
> of some excited fans in Seattle attempting to pull this off...
> 
> sugarsmacks,
> tonyk
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From JMoorkens at xxx.ie  Mon Jul  6 22:07:27 1998
From: JMoorkens at xxx.ie (Josh Moorkens)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:07:27 +0100 
Subject: Sinister: the impotence of ernest
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> I hope we're not talking about the same ABC.....because the only ABC
> is
> remember 
> is the kiddie-R&B hip-hop group which bombed successfully.  =) yipe.
	No no no... ultra stylish 80's popsters. Released the
aforementioned pop classic Lexicon of Love. Spent the rest of their
careers frantically re-inventing themselves in an effort to recapture
their initial flush of success. Lowest point: on How to be a Zillionaire
they brought in some wacky freeloaders to enliven their image. A bald
man and a saucy lady called Eden. They had a song on the lp where they
all introduce themselves, with the immortal lines: 'hi, my name is eden,
and i want you to kiss my snatch...' At the moment I heard that line, my
image of them as suave popstars was destroyed forever.

love from Joss
this is me in work, me at home is jossleag at iol.ie

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:25:01 +0100
Subject: Sinister: New Products
Message-ID: <21060189000095@BAINBRIDGE.CO.UK>


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From honey at xxx.net  Mon Jul  6 23:38:11 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:38:11 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: Sinister: New Products
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On 6 xxx -1 lingerie_mailer at lingerie.co.uk wrote:

> As a previous visitor to Bainbridge & Boston's Lingerie
> Online at http://www.lingerie.co.uk, ...

Alright who was it.  I bet it was Chris Leonard, looking for new undies.
Still, that's quality junk mail for the first one to hit a mailing list.

Handy too...

Honey, thinking about something red and clingy for the weekend xxx

P.S. Linda got a goldfish for her birthday.  Suggestions for a best name
for it to me please if anyone gets inspired.  The fish doesn't look very
inspired.

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From nicolina at xxx.com  Mon Jul  6 23:51:05 1998
From: nicolina at xxx.com (Nicole Elger)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:51:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: New Belle and Sebastian album - part 2
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980706153628.24962A-100000@drizzle.com>



our friendly Jeepster reps wrote:

 <<minor mistake in the first message and the obvious repercussions mean
   that you now get to see a hasty second message to try and clear
   things up. "21/10 - 04/11 West Coast USA + Canada gigs"  this should have been
   EAST COAST and NOT west coast, it does still include canada though!>>

Wah! I saw the first announcement and was getting hyper about the news of
B&S touring the west coast before the east. Oh well, thanks for correcting
the error so quickly. At least I still have the unexpected B&S-related
west-caost advantage of walking only two blocks to the SubPop store to
pick up the Looper 7" tomorrow. 

Tara wrote, in a panic:

>Not too minor to those of us here on the West Coast!!!
>just kidding.
>No I'm not! :*(
>Is there *any* chance B&S will be making their way here to the West
>Coast?

Tara, I've heard from a good source that B&S will take a rest and then do
the West Coast after Christmas. :-)

- nicole

>>--------nicolina at drizzle.com---------->>







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From carrick44 at xxx.com  Tue Jul  7 01:27:06 1998
From: carrick44 at xxx.com (Carrick C Blair)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:27:06 EDT
Subject: Sinister: signs of looper things to come....
Message-ID: <19980706.185015.4591.4.carrick44@juno.com>


>well, yes. breakbeats. Sort of like Arab Strap, Looper is. A nice little
story, but i much >preferred hearing Stuart's stories whilst being backed
by an instrumental version of >a future Belle & Sebastian song. Oh well,
I hope he's using this side project to get >all his break-beat urges out
of his system. I hope they don't creep into the new B&S >album at all.
That would be so trite. That is one thing that made all the Belle &
>Sebastian recordings so special up to this point. They seemed so
unaffected by >trends. There was a certain purity. I mean everybody uses
breakbeats these days.

that was part of a message i sent to a fellow listee. He encouraged me to
send it the list, fair warning to anyone who might be expecting things
like melody and hooks, or the some of the best lyrics of this decade. 
But now I see the titles of the upcoming album, and my fears grow
stronger...maybe they were future Belle & Sebastian songs.....

7. Spaceboy Dream
8. Dirty Dream #2

very similar to the songs on the Looper 45. Democracy, I guess. I just
hate to have to use the skip button on my cd player. Something I was
hoping never to do with Belle & Sebastian. They were my last hope for a
perfect band. Electronic elements had been featured in songs past, but
they were few and far between, and had a certain warmth to them, and
something that Looper is sadly lacking. Its just left me cold, sorry.

I know what some of you are thinking....I'm just some loser who hangs in
my room worshiping old Byrds records, reading MOJO, and wishing I lived
in the sixties, etc., etc. And your right, well not really. I wouldn't
want to live in the 60's. I probably would have gone crazy like my dad.
But if you had been out with me last night, you would have found me in
some bar in the East Village, watching some fellow spin drumnbass, and
enjoying it.

I guess, its that lowfi electronics are all over American indie music
these days. And most of it sucks. No passion what so ever. I'd hate to
have these evil American influences sully my favorite band. No ambition.
Hardly trying.

Watching Belle & Sebastian last September in NYC, I was in constant
shivers. Everything they did was perfect. (It happened to be a good night
for them. Not shambolic at all.) It actually reminded me of a classical
recital. I just don't see how lowfi electronic beats and loops can do to
make the songs more interesting or powerful or soulful.

But who knows, maybe they'll surprise me, they have always come through
in the past. 
I'll shut up now, sorry to bore you with my opinions. rather cranky
today. lack of sleep. too much drumnbass.

love
Carrick

ps Why, when flying home from London on Virgin Atlantic last March, I
heard Modern Rock Song on there little radio show? Why do they get a nice
recording of it and not the rest of us hapless fans?

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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Tue Jul  7 02:02:21 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:02:21 EDT
Subject: Sinister: the impotence of ernest
Message-ID: <142dfa5e.35a173a1@aol.com>


your ABC wasn't actually called ABC, they were Another Bad Creation, who did
Aisha and Coolin It At the Playground (ahh, how I hated 5th grade)... the ABC
you (no not you the other you) meant was the fairly amusing one who did The
Look of Love and Poison Arrow, which I actually don't remember ever hearing
until about 1994 on one of VH1's history of rock n roll thingummies (who broke
my heart?  you did, you did)

matt
(with a sunburn)

<< 
 
 > I hope we're not talking about the same ABC.....because the only ABC
 > is
 > remember 
 > is the kiddie-R&B hip-hop group which bombed successfully.  =) yipe.
 	No no no... ultra stylish 80's popsters. Released the
 aforementioned pop classic Lexicon of Love. Spent the rest of their
 careers frantically re-inventing themselves in an effort to recapture
 their initial flush of success. Lowest point: on How to be a Zillionaire
 they brought in some wacky freeloaders to enliven their image. A bald
 man and a saucy lady called Eden. They had a song on the lp where they
 all introduce themselves, with the immortal lines: 'hi, my name is eden,
 and i want you to kiss my snatch...' At the moment I heard that line, my
 image of them as suave popstars was destroyed forever. >>
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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Tue Jul  7 02:13:22 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:13:22 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Is it really so strange?
Message-ID: <5d5c4a63.35a1766a@aol.com>


my school librarian liked them, but perhaps that is because she is from
minnestoa and likes such things.

matt

(i've no idea why i bothered replying to this)

<< Tommy Stinson played bass (I believe) for the Replacements, and last I
 heard, had his own band called Perfect, and all I've ever heard by them was
 a cover of Crocodile Rock (really fun listening). His previous band, Bash &
 Pop, put out a great album called Friday Night Is Killing Me, and it had
 that one single you might remember called Loose Ends??? (Time to tie your
 loose ends up (tie 'em up).....)???? Good alcohol rock.
 This, by the way, ties in with another vein of this mailing list: '80's
 music. The Replacements, while not at all synth-pop, were still a great
 band. >>
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From Ociosoig at xxx.com  Tue Jul  7 03:56:06 1998
From: Ociosoig at xxx.com (Ociosoig at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:56:06 EDT
Subject: Sinister: booze (not related to booze-related to my email about looper).
Message-ID: <9adcd1a1.35a18e47@aol.com>


so nobody wants to transact?
ok. well ok.
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From PKHINTZ at xxx.com  Tue Jul  7 04:53:54 1998
From: PKHINTZ at xxx.com (PKHINTZ at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:53:54 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian after-hours
Message-ID: <191b5d38.35a19bd3@aol.com>


The Duke of Hurrah!gay wrote: 
<<
just been playing Sinister for the first time in a while, and blow me
down, isn't it just the greatest? :-) 
>>

	Although I had _IYFS_ in regular rotation during the past year in those cold
months when the sky doesn't ever really rise in the morning, I must admit that
I do enjoy listening to it more now in the summer--as I did last summer when
it was the only thing I felt like listening to.  Now with the windows open,
the breeze from the ceiling fan, the croaking of the frogs outside and the
occasioanal car driving past the house, those little effects add that extra
touch to that album.  An extra touch of what?  I think that is up to each of
you to decide.  I have listened to Belle and Sebastian in a variety of
places--Gatwick Airport, train to Brussels, every morning on my way to work
for over six weeks, but none of that is as nice for me as listening to B&S in
my room late on a summer night.  At that time of night, unlike Judy, the star
isn't on my shoulder but high in the dark sky above. 

			Living and loving
					Matthew
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From tangent at xxx.net  Tue Jul  7 08:58:29 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 08:58:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 80's tunes
References: <O$dGwBAES9n1EwGB@elsato97.demon.co.uk>
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> And there are people far more qualified than me to talk about McCarthy
> and Felt and the Go-Betweens (who have already been siezed on) and lots
> of Popsters inbetween.....

you could agree with the sentiments of the Bis song and say, as indeed i
have already, that the 80s sucked if you weren't a kid, or at least
pretended to be one. my friend daniel alse said that an 80s without
Creation records would have been an 80s infinitely worse than they were.
Of course Creation ballsed up, but the Go-Betweens didn't and nor did
McCarthy or Felt. We know at least two of those groups are important to
the B&S story in some way or other.... Did anyone see Rob Young's
article about felt in The Wire this month? I haven't seen it myself but
am irked that he's done that now with the prospect of my chunker Felt
chapter coming up in October. Grrr. Has anyone written a definitive
McCarthy story yet?

Dog On Wheels playing right now... boy it really is a LOVEly song ;-)
And was David being down on the song belle and sebastian? well it's
worth it just for the line about being the only fun in town... you know
it's true.

the duke


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From tangent at xxx.net  Tue Jul  7 09:01:49 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:01:49 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The boy who's always dancing
References: <b3c54a06.359e8efc@aol.com> <359FA4E7.D8A3AD6B@jeepster.co.uk>
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> you got pulp right, but wrong period, try the album 'separations', particularly the track
> 'countdown'.

oh that's the one about premature ejaculation isn't it? i love the
separations LP, and connected 12s. it's Pulp in their acid daze. you
know the kids in school still call me jarvis?

the duke.

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From aevans at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 09:18:56 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:18:56 +0100
Subject: No subject
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Katrina wrote :

>The band will be touring around the world to support this album.  >The
>individual dates are still yet to be confirmed, however the pattern is
>looking like this:

>31/08 - 12/09   UK gigs

Poo.
Poo.
Double Poo.

I am destined never to see them Belles and Sebs live.  Guess who's just booked his holiday....

Back before they hit Europe as well.

ARSE.

Amos Brearley.
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From cja1000 at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 09:38:17 1998
From: cja1000 at xxx.uk (Chris)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:38:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: New Products
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Call your fish jigjog. Somebody on the list has called their cat
jigjog (or at least I told them to), thus creating a neat cat - fish
brotherhood.

Chris

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From cleonard at xxx.COM  Tue Jul  7 10:59:03 1998
From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:59:03 +0100
Subject: Sinister: New Products
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>Alright who was it. I bet it was Chris Leonard, looking for new undies.

It wasn't me, honest it wasn't.  But a damn fine site, and my thanks to
the mysterious pant fan who felt secure enough to share.

Oh what a lovely day.   It's on days like these....that I....
remember....The church hall thing on Friday.  Isobel was dressed up as a
cowgirl.  Fantastic!  She played some Nick Cave records and Je Taime,
which I thought was a bit out of order in a church hall.  God hates
that.  Camera Obscura played first, then Stevie sang some nice songs.
What a charming young man he is, and probably rather fertile.  It was
more of a comedy act than a sing song.  He does a wicked Johnny Cash
impression, don't you know.  I feel this should be encouraged.  Then
Astrid  played and were very energetic, and sang pleasant harmonies.
They ended with the classy song  "Are you a boy or a girl?  Either way
- you rock my world!!!".  Murdoch approved.

But the best bit was at the end, when Murdoch gave everyone who played
little trophies 
and a little present for helping him raise money to get a new fence.
And
Chris G and Isobel got runner up medals for djing.  Classy.  I've seen
Murdoch in 
his short shorts.  ug ug ug (like Popeye).

Peter Easton played Dirty Dream #2 on the radio on Sunday.  It's rather
fine and got
big strings and banging drums.  Little snippets of the melody reminded
me of the "if you would sing along"  bit of "the boy done wrong again".
But that's ok.  It's a totally different song.  I like Belle and
Sebastian.  Especially when they dress up in silly clothes.

Sincerely,
         cl
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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 10:03:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:03:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: CDZone off the hook (?)
Message-ID: <80DF0330016A1600@c2gate.tcom.co.uk>


After my little rant about CDZone the other day I thought I'd better
let you know - I just got this response to a message I sent them over
three weeks ago telling them that the Modern Rock Song EP doesn't exist.

> Hi Kevan,
> 
> Thanks for the info. I've cancelled Modern Rock song from
> your order.
> 
> Regards, Hayley

Hooray!

But unfortunately Modern Rock Song still appears as an orderable item
in their on-line catalogue, even though they seem to be acknowledging
that it doesn't exist by cancelling it from my order.

Kevan

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From rclander at xxx.net  Tue Jul  7 13:35:48 1998
From: rclander at xxx.net (Richard Lander)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:35:48 +0800
Subject: Sinister: HK Sinister virtual picnic & HK airport chaos
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Just to add that a great time was had by all of us HK Sinister folk (well
alright the two of us, me & Gordon).

On Monday our new airport at Chek Lap Kok opened and Gordon was flying up to
Beijing for a visit. Unfortunately like the airport at Kuala Lumpur things
haven't run smoothly. Lost luggage, lost passengers, broken computers, no
water etc.
Things got so bad today that the Hong Kong Air Cargo handlers moved back to
the old airport at Kai Tak. Hopefully Gordon caught his plane OK.

Richard
-----Original Message-----
    From: gordon glen <gleng at xxx.com>
    To: B&S mailing list <sinister at majordomo.net>
    Date: 05 July, 1998 20:52
    Subject: Sinister: HK virtual picnic

    The Hong Kong branch of the B&S supporters club had a virtual picnic
    last Friday in Mad Dogs, well actually it was more like a couple of
    beers after work but it was fun.

    Gordon


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From escossia at xxx.br  Tue Jul  7 14:19:56 1998
From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:19:56 -0300
Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian New Album/ Free Design
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Oh my G O D !!!
THE NEW BELLE & SEBASTIAN ALBUM IS COMING !!!!
Don't get me wrong, i still LOVE all Belle & Sebastian records.
but i need new B&S tunes to listen to and fall in love with
September 7th ?
It's the "Brazilian 4 of July"... if you know what i mean.

I think until September i will just listen to Free Design.
Do you know them ?
GREAT old band but still a LOVELY one.

"..mellow melodies of The Carpenters with the stunning catchy tunes of Pet
Sounds (Beach Boys). Their sound is modern over-the-top orchestration,
simultaneously nostalgic and bracingly fresh..."

"....an intriguing pop record that may capture similarly the attention of
the diehard fans of the Beatles, Carpenters, Beach Boys,John Barry 
or Harpers Bizarre than those that prefer Stereolab, Divine Comedy,
Belle and Sebastian or Arabesque...."

Siesta Records did not pay me anything to spam everybody i know with mails
about Free Design. They are really great !!!

Ivo A P Escossia
escossia at electus.com.br
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Jul  7 14:39:25 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:39:25 +0200
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
Message-ID: <01bda9ac$a8e08f40$194905c3@itjfvkli>



Dave wrote:

>[2] Possibly accompanied by a girl wearing totally unsuitable clothes, and
>a bright purple wig, unless I can convince her that her plan to be noticed
>by the media is COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID!

Has Dave pulled? Is love in the air? Is that what made him write the
following?

>| BubblegumPunkPopDiscoDon'tStop
>| Make a record in your home - You don't need a studio!

You bloody well do, mate. Or at least a pressing plant. Whatever, it's great
to see Dave making the effort to keep on writing in despite being
unsubscribed. I apologise for any distress caused by my accidental
impersonation of him last week. I accept full responsibilty and won't do it
again.

I'm quite excited about the new record. One or two promising song titles on
there, and a nice informative message, the Kitchen/ House teamwork is
already reaping benefits for Jeepster Recordings' PR department.

FunkySeb, if it's drum machines and plinky plonky keyboards you're after, I
would recommend the album "Zuckerzeit" by the band Cluster. It's not from
the 80s, it's from the 70s. It's described in the book "Krautrocksampler" by
Julian Cope as sounding like the Stooges let loose in Toys 'R' Us, which I
think sums it up quite nicely. It's all instrumental, quite curious but
still very accessible. It doesn't sound much like Belle and Sebastian, but
perhaps isn't a million miles away in spirit - good clean fun with a
melancholic undertow. (9/10)

I think I must be getting on a bit because I've spent the afternoon looking
at leisurewear instead of trailing around record shops. Help get me back on
the right track - are any of the following discs worthy of investigation?
The Bosstown Sound - Various Artists, including the Rockin' Ramrods

The Knack and How to Get it - John Barry soundtrack
The Wicker Man - soundtrack

I would prefer to hear Lickle Sarah's opinions of the 80s groups mentioned
rather than the pronouncements of experts. I know it takes all sorts, but I
don't think people should feel shy about expressing themselves just because
some people manage to give a hazy impression of authority. That's not to say
the experts aren't welcome, but it would be nice to get a balance of sorts.
Besides which, Sarah knows L!O!A!D!S!

As Isaac Hayes once said: I'd like to thank you all for your patience.

Peter


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From adamrobinson at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 14:35:42 1998
From: adamrobinson at xxx.uk (Adam Robinson)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:35:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: bye for now
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From tangent at xxx.net  Tue Jul  7 15:08:19 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 15:08:19 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
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> I would prefer to hear Lickle Sarah's opinions of the 80s groups mentioned
> rather than the pronouncements of experts. I know it takes all sorts, but I
> don't think people should feel shy about expressing themselves just because
> some people manage to give a hazy impression of authority. That's not to say
> the experts aren't welcome, but it would be nice to get a balance of sorts.
> Besides which, Sarah knows L!O!A!D!S!

can i just say that passion wins out over 'authority' every time,
especially when it's a passion that wears such great references on it's
sleeve. Um, i hope i'm not someone who gives a hazy sense of authority
and if i do, um, i'm sorry.

can i just suggest that linda's fish gets called Didier? no reason, just
getting these weird flashbacks to my childhood :-)

respect,

the duke
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 15:17:49 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:17:49 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
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> The Wicker Man - soundtrack


yes! wonderful folky stuff. v. spooky. the best bit is the song that
accompanies britt ekland's hilarious banging on the walls (not that sort
of banging, missus) without her clothes on. the sneaker pimps covered it
on their album, but don't let that put you off.

i must get a copy myself.

espadrille.

(not lickle sarah, but anyway certainly lacking even any hazy authority)

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From adamrobinson at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 15:19:38 1998
From: adamrobinson at xxx.uk (Adam Robinson)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 15:19:38 +0100
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From aevans at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 15:20:53 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:20:53 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re : 10 Roddington Place
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Peter wrote :

>I would prefer to hear Lickle Sarah's opinions of the 80s groups >mentioned
>rather than the pronouncements of experts. I know it takes all >sorts, but I
>don't think people should feel shy about expressing themselves >just because
>some people manage to give a hazy impression of authority. That's >not to say
>the experts aren't welcome, but it would be nice to get a balance >of sorts.
>Besides which, Sarah knows L!O!A!D!S!

Indeed, having been a "kid" in the eighties and growing up with certain bands, there is a strong tendency to ignore eveything else that went on in that era.

We all know the New Orders, Depche Modes, Smiths, Cures etc etc and can all give our tuppence worth on those bands we liked, but I too would love to hear the views of those who have delved back in the archives with their 50p bargain basement Oxfam rejects.

Above all I might learn something today.

I for one thought there were T!O!O! many espadrilles around.
Sorry Espadrille.

Simon Le BonBon.
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From uczcvap at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 16:30:43 1998
From: uczcvap at xxx.uk (Vicky Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 15:30:43 +0000
Subject: Sinister: fish keeping - not for the faint hearted
Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980707153043.2e6fdba6@pop-server.bcc.ac.uk>


I thought I should warn Sinister people of the hidden dangers of keeping
goldfish. Having kept fish in a little platic tank with no filter, air pump
etc, for years, I was told by friends that I was cruel and should buy them
a super duper big glass tank with a filter and air pump. So I treated my
fish at christmas to a lovely 3ft tank with all the trimmings, and after a
few weeks bought them some companions to play with, so I had 6 fish
swimming happily around. Except they didn't swim happily for very long,
they got a yukky disease called white spot which meant that they were cover
in white blobs that were itchy and they kept rubbing their scales on all
available surfaces and even tried to commit suicide on various occassions,
so much were they suffering. I managed to buy medication, and they were
cured, but three died. So I decided to buy some more, from a better pet
shop. This is when the nightmare truly began. I bought cannibal fish. One
fish got it's stomach eaten away, another got it's mouth eaten away so it
couldn't eat anything, and the last one to be eaten was swimming around
without a tail, because the most viscious goldfish had been eating the
flesh away the was at the base of the tail. That left two fish, and the
viscious cannibal bullied the other one so much that it lost the will to
live and died. So I killed the other one, and am now emotionally scarred
and have a tank etc going spare - anyone interested?! It is quite scary to
read a goldfish book and see just what diseases they can get, some are very
very grusome

Has anyone heard the new Placebo track? I was never a huge fan, but the
rhymes on the new track are just fantastic - 'A friend in need is a friend
indeed, a friend with weed is better.....' (I can't actually remember any
more off hand, I'll have to blag a copy so I can learn it off by heart)

Truly the most brilliant fantastically rhyming lyrics I have heard in
years, and such a catchy tune as well, it's going to be big.

Electronic music, surely ELO are the kings? 

80's bargain bucket lps available in Camberwell include Prefab Sprout,
Madonna, Rick Astley (my hero), Kylie, 5 star, A-HA, Spandau Ballet, and
other class acts. Singles are more interesting as you find hundreds of one
hit wonders

New album and tour! I'll just have to finish my dissertation in 8 weeks
instead of ten so i can truly appreciate it, hah hah.

Vicky

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From IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es  Tue Jul  7 15:30:06 1998
From: IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jose_Maria_Sag=FAillo_=28hijo=29?=)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:30:06 +0200 
Subject: Sinister: Free design
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The Free Design Rules

Free design top ten
1.- Kites are fun
2.- When love is young
3.- The new sound of chirstmas 
4.- Friendly man
5.- One by one
6.- Now it's the time
7.- I found love
8.- California dreaming
9.- Fly me down
10.- My brother woody

Other fantastic record is Jan and Dean "Save for a Rainy day" I'm very
happy to hear that other people in the list likes Free design
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From keith at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 15:57:21 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:57:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Free design
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These sound fantastic, the titles are absolutely great. I've never heard the
band, but with titles like "Friendly Man" and "When love is young" (these
rival even Dylan in the Movies), not to forget "Me Fly's down" and "My
Brother's Woody" I'm intrigued already, I'll have to hear this lot.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 16:24:55 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:24:55 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Free design
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On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Keith Watson wrote:

> 
> These sound fantastic, the titles are absolutely great. I've never heard the
> band, but with titles like "Friendly Man" and "When love is young" (these
> rival even Dylan in the Movies), not to forget "Me Fly's down" and "My
> Brother's Woody" I'm intrigued already, I'll have to hear this lot.

am i just being smutty, or is there and alarming subtext developing here?

espadrille

> 
> Cheers,
>     Keith.
> 
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From Mark at xxx.com  Tue Jul  7 16:35:43 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:35:43 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Didier?
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Is Didier the fish a homage to the late, great grand prix/power boat
racer Didier Pironi? He was my all time hero as a little kid, even more
than Gilles Villeneuve who he drove alongside. Or perhaps it's a
reference to Didier Partouche, a one-time Going for Gold champion (must
have been 1993, I think) with simply the greatest helmet-styled haircut
going.

And to think I was waiting for something relevant and sharp to say
before my next posting.

I would like to put forward the name Benefactors for the fish. I think
it's got a lovely ring to it, and any ex-Warwick alumni will, at least,
know what I'm talking about.

Love Biondino (this is my new job email address - feel free to write
lots and lots!)
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From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 16:47:06 1998
From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:47:06 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
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>I think I must be getting on a bit because I've spent the afternoon looking
>at leisurewear instead of trailing around record shops. Help get me back on
>the right track - are any of the following discs worthy of investigation?
>The Bosstown Sound - Various Artists, including the Rockin' Ramrods
>
>The Knack and How to Get it - John Barry soundtrack
>The Wicker Man - soundtrack

I can recommend the soundtrack to "Here We Go 'Round the Mulberry Bush"
which I notice has been reissued. Not only does it feature Mr Stevie
Winwood, and so is full of gritty wooden soul and all that Wellah business,
but it's also from a film set in Swinging Stevenage, and reminds me of my
innocent youth, before I was lured into the evil buckaroo den of Jasper,
Tarquin and the rest of the metrosexuals...

Ummm, I went to see Hefner on Saturday, for the last gig on their one-day,
four-stop tour of London. They were pretty good. The singer has one of those
classically bad indie voices, midway between Peters Shelley and Perrett.
They had a song about Lee Remick, which wasn't a cover of The Go-Betweens,
and another about a sexy librarian, which is always a good sign. The Lp is
being pushed as a kind of Essex answer to B&S, but it's a little
disappointing.

I expect that maybe one person on the list will be interested to know that
when REM played at that Tibet thing recently, their replacement drummer was
a bloke called Joey Waronker.

Finally a lemur update: lemur enthusiasts may be interested to know that
last issue of the august organ, Poetry News, features one of the cute little
fellas prominently on its cover, and will soon be visible at
http://www.poetrysoc.com/news/b_news.htm

Oh, and The Blue Soda Social returns this Friday... 7.30pm til late @ The
Poetry Caff, £2 to get in, films, music and hi-jinx...

Trousers
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 17:15:17 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:15:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Didier?
In-Reply-To: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E220F8F3A@server1.HITEntertainment.com>
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On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Mark Casarotto wrote:

> 
> Is Didier the fish a homage to the late, great grand prix/power boat
> racer Didier Pironi? He was my all time hero as a little kid, even more
> than Gilles Villeneuve who he drove alongside. Or perhaps it's a
> reference to Didier Partouche, a one-time Going for Gold champion (must
> have been 1993, I think) with simply the greatest helmet-styled haircut
> going.

or even didier six, french f**tball international who also played rather
ineffectually for aston villa in the 80s.
> 
> I would like to put forward the name Benefactors for the fish. 

and if you bought it a mate you could call that one beneking. 

as long as it was a sole (oh dear)


espadrille (inevitably)

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From tangent at xxx.net  Tue Jul  7 17:16:33 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 17:16:33 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Didier?
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Mark Casarotto wrote:
> 
> Is Didier the fish a homage to the late, great grand prix/power boat
> racer Didier Pironi? He was my all time hero as a little kid, even more
> than Gilles Villeneuve who he drove alongside.

it was intended as thus... i have been toying with the idea of writing
an article on my ten favourite f1 drivers recently, so that's probably
why the name sprung to mind. that and because the miller man once
admitted to a crush on pironi :-) me, i never quite got over the Imola
Incident, and can i admit a tears moment here? watching the video of the
82 season last month and seeing the villeneuve crash for the first time
in 16 years. Um, but yeah, what tragedy 82 delivered... 

> reference to Didier Partouche, a one-time Going for Gold champion (must
> have been 1993, I think) with simply the greatest helmet-styled haircut
> going.

nope, but Pironi had the best helmet design... oo-er. who remember
lauda's brabham trying to shag his tyrrell at mirabeau in 79? Oh yeah,
no-one... i forget no-ones that old or sad.

> And to think I was waiting for something relevant and sharp to say
> before my next posting.

i'm sure that talk of f1 drivers dead or alive is the most un-B&S thing
imaginable, but you know i like to think that they would applaud the
perversity of my plan to write obsessionaly about motor racing whilst
remaining a passionate non-driver.

does anyone have a decent OCR programme?

cheers,

duke
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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 14:51:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:51:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: A swipe at the eighties, seventies, sixties...
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You can keep your Belle and Sebastian T-Shirts...

What we need are Belle and Sebastian crotchless panties!

David Kitchen, get in touch with Bainbridge & Boston's Lingerie Online
and get them on the case!  Be careful not to order the Modern Rock Song
peep-hole bra, it don't exist!

Yes, the Eighties sucked in a major way, but when our collective memories
have succesfully erased Spandau Ballet, Howard Jones, Huey Lewis,
Jive Bunny, and a hundred thousand Stock Aitken and Waterman records we
will probably delude ourselves into thinking that the Eighties were really
all about Dexys, the Smiths, and the Cure.

And anyone who tells you that the Seventies were a great time for music
was not there, or is well ahead of me in the memory erasing process.

And as for the Sixties... Rubber Ball by Bobby Vee... need I say more?

Kevan

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From Andreas.Hering at xxx.de  Tue Jul  7 17:22:12 1998
From: Andreas.Hering at xxx.de (Perfection As A Hipster)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:22:12 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Sinister: 10 Pattington Street / The Jazz Butcher
Message-ID: <199807071622.SAA22430@studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de>


The Duke Of Harringay wrote ...

>can i just say that passion wins out over 'authority' every time,
>especially when it's a passion that wears such great references on it's
>sleeve. Um, i hope i'm not someone who gives a hazy sense of authority
>and if i do, um, i'm sorry.
>
>can i just suggest that linda's fish gets called Didier? no reason, just
>getting these weird flashbacks to my childhood :-)

May I suggest that Linda's fish should be named Pat ... as in Pat Fish
a.k.a. The Jazz Butcher who praised the P!O!P! circuit in the early Eighties
with lovely little tunes such as "Girls Who Keep Goldfish" accompanied by a
couple of my favourite instruments, namely flute and xylophone ? 

Um, yeah ... the sleeve of the _In Bath Of Bacon_ debut album states, inter
alia, "File Under: Wigged Out" and "HERE IT IS AT LAST! The hep young sound
of today's beat élite, direct from the soul kitchen and served, still
blazing, to your table!" ... some UK listees might (also) remember Pat Fish
as the host of the "Transmission" music show in the early Nineties.

Besides, I'm in a long life search for the _In Bath Of Bacon_ CD, _A Scandal
In Bohemia / Sex And Travel_ CD, _Distressed Gentlefolk_ CD, _Big Questions_
CD and _The Gift Of Music_ CD by The Jazz Butcher in case anyone wouldn't
mind to part with them ... alternatively a swap with the original vinyl formats.

"Girls who keep goldfish
 Interest me strangely
 Girls who keep goldfish
 Fascinate my mind"

Andreas

The rain it raineth on the just
And also on the unjust fella
But more upon the just because 
The unjust steals the just's umbrella

(Charles Baron Bowen)

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Jul  7 18:58:49 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:58:49 +0200
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
Message-ID: <01bda9d0$e4c5c560$LocalHost@itjfvkli>



>can i just say that passion wins out over 'authority' every time,
>especially when it's a passion that wears such great references on it's
>sleeve. Um, i hope i'm not someone who gives a hazy sense of authority
>and if i do, um, i'm sorry.


I didn't really mean anyone in particular, and I wasn't just referring to
the list, it's just that sometimes we all get kinda hung up on "knowledge"
instead of just diggin' the sounds. That's all that matters, and it's
beautiful, baby! Why should we get all tongue-tied if we don't know the
title of every b-side and the names of the musicians? Let go, go with the
flow. No references required. Daws will peck at them, man. There's no time.
Passion is for the passionate. Don't disturb my nap.

Thanks to whoever sent in that bra catalogue. Today has been a journey of
self-discovery. I am a padded balconette man. I insist that the list take
part in the lingerie lottery. The international size converter tables have
provided us with hours of entertainment this afternoon.

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Jul  7 19:34:04 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:34:04 +0200
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
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Stephen You Don't Eat Meat wrote:

>I can recommend the soundtrack to "Here We Go 'Round the Mulberry Bush"
>which I notice has been reissued. Not only does it feature Mr Stevie
>Winwood, and so is full of gritty wooden soul and all that Wellah business,
>but it's also from a film set in Swinging Stevenage, and reminds me of my
>innocent youth, before I was lured into the evil buckaroo den of Jasper,
>Tarquin and the rest of the metrosexuals...

I've seen this one, featuring Traffic, The Spencer Davis Group and
Incidental Dialogue, all wrapped up in a nice dayglo cover, like The Knack.
If I had money coming out of my ears I'd buy them both, just for the covers.

>I expect that maybe one person on the list will be interested to know that
>when REM played at that Tibet thing recently, their replacement drummer was
>a bloke called Joey Waronker.

I don't know who you're talking about, Stephen, but I'm interested as well.
And lemurs continue to float my boat in the most delightful way. As indeed
did Didier Pironi, of the legendary Ligiers Gitanes team. I've never been so
disappointed as when I found out Gitanes taste like shit. I've just been on
the Belle and Sebastian hotline, and, after a quick vote, it has been
narrowly decided that they do approve of Duke's perversity, whether
connected to motor racing journalism or not. My top ten F1 drivers, off the
top of my head, would be: Pironi, Fangio, Moss (Jon), Piquet (for that
kicking incident)...erm...how many's that? Hockenheim, Davina Galica (for a
bit of glamour), Arrows, Mister Derek form Basil Brush and Clarence Seedorf.
Speaking of which...

Jackie Stewart


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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Tue Jul  7 20:16:31 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:16:31 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 17 years, 364 days...
Message-ID: <E0ytdGn-00004y-00@tantalum>


ok, so i went into Avalanche today in search of that Looper 7" and they
said it wasn't out until the 27th. Buh? Can someone tell me whats going on?
Is it a conspiracy and they're letting everyone else hear it except me?
boo.

pjmiller wrote:
>Has Dave pulled? Is love in the air? Is that what made him write the
>following?

he's probably just taking his wee sister, like last year. I saw him. and he
was wearing that bloody Helen Love t-shirt too. He obviously doesn't have
any other clothes, poor lad.

i, for one, will spend the whole weekend avoiding the cameras at T in the
Park, as usual. but they always manage to get me. i was on it about five
times last year, looking increasingly dreadful as the days went on. bah.
but at least i will never be one of those twats wearing a big stupid hat,
which is some consolation, tho not much.

vicky wrote:
>Has anyone heard the new Placebo track? I was never a huge fan, but the
>rhymes on the new track are just fantastic - 'A friend in need is a friend
>indeed, a friend with weed is better.....'

'... a friend with breasts and all the rest, a friend who's dressed in
leather' Hooray, and mighty fine it is, too.

Debbie xx.

(who's never been any good at nameing pets. call the fish Bob.) 
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From u01cjtc at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 20:26:57 1998
From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:26:57 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: ...they said it.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980707201831.19718A-100000@sysa.abdn.ac.uk>


Everybody sais what I wanted to before I do, poo.
So I won't.

The 80s for me were cool to grow up in, I had a luke skywalker haircut,
almost all the starwars toys, my best mate had the trilogy on video,
saturday superstore was the second best telly programme after the chart
show, and roland rat was king.

the smiths are overrated.

steve lamaque annoys me.

why the beginning of september, why? I'm supposed to be going to eastern
europe, although I've just told one of my freinds that I'm not going.

colin.


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From u01cjtc at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 20:29:40 1998
From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:29:40 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: fish
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980707202817.19718B-100000@sysa.abdn.ac.uk>


Oh yeah, call the fish colin. I had six all named colin, but from colin 2
onwards, numbered sequentiallty.

colin.



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From seilsd at xxx.net  Tue Jul  7 20:37:12 1998
From: seilsd at xxx.net (Damon Seils)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 15:37:12 -0400
Subject: Sinister: ...they said it.
References: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980707201831.19718A-100000@sysa.abdn.ac.uk>
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Colin Campbell wrote:
> 
> the smiths are overrated.



	what a dreadful thing to say.

	--damon
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From barzy at xxx.com  Tue Jul  7 22:04:32 1998
From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:04:32 -0800
Subject: Sinister: ...they said it.
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>Colin Campbell wrote:
>>
>> the smiths are overrated.
>
>
>
>        what a dreadful thing to say.
>
>        --damon

Yes...but are you going to listen to someone who had a "Luke Skywalker"
haircut? Everyone knows Han Solo was the cute one. Luke was a whiny, poncy
little git. It's OK damon....


beth














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From tangent at xxx.net  Tue Jul  7 22:30:46 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 22:30:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: ...they said it.
References: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980707201831.19718A-100000@sysa.abdn.ac.uk> <35A278E8.28BE@earthlink.net>
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Damon Seils wrote:
> 
> Colin Campbell wrote:
> >
> > the smiths are overrated.
> 
>         what a dreadful thing to say.

the smiths are overrated and were so since the release of, ooh, for
arguments sake let's today just say meat is murder. they're not as
overrated as the beatles, for what that's worth, but overrated all the
same, regardless of whether they might have changed my life, which they
probably did in some way, but it's too long ago, too hazy and too dull
to think about.

now saying that B&S are overrated, now that would be a dreadful thing to
say.

keep the faith,

the duke

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From indiekid at xxx.org  Tue Jul  7 22:35:14 1998
From: indiekid at xxx.org (Mark Meadows)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:35:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: modern rock song
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980707173246.20370A-100000@grex.cyberspace.org>


	wow! a new album! bu where is MODERN ROCK SONG? I have a tape but
it is poor and I want it on a CD!

	mark

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From shop at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 23:07:06 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 23:07:06 +0100
Subject: Sinister: CDZone off the hook (?)
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Message-ID: <35A29C0A.FA47643B@jeepster.co.uk>


this may have a lot to do with the fact that they actually managed to phone jeepster and confirm
their details!
i think this may be a first for any on-line shop!!!

still doesn't make them any good though :)

--

Kevan Cooke wrote:
> 
> After my little rant about CDZone the other day I thought I'd better
> let you know - I just got this response to a message I sent them over
> three weeks ago telling them that the Modern Rock Song EP doesn't exist.
> 
> > Hi Kevan,
> >
> > Thanks for the info. I've cancelled Modern Rock song from
> > your order.
> >
> > Regards, Hayley
> 
> Hooray!
> 
> But unfortunately Modern Rock Song still appears as an orderable item
> in their on-line catalogue, even though they seem to be acknowledging
> that it doesn't exist by cancelling it from my order.
> 
> Kevan
> 
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 21:59:56 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:59:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 80's tunes
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In message <35A1D525.167FBA24 at lineone.net>, duke of harringay
<tangent at lineone.net> writes
>Has anyone written a definitive
>McCarthy story yet?

OOH....guess what I was just thinking I would really like to read...and
would be a really good thing to publish, ooh say on a website or in a
posh "studey mag" that apparently IS going to happen this time....which
would actually be a GOOD article...if not, I happen to know a fanzine
that would be happy to take the definite McCarthy story...hello! :) 
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From shop at xxx.uk  Tue Jul  7 23:09:40 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 23:09:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: A swipe at the eighties, seventies, sixties...
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Kevan Cooke wrote:
> 
> You can keep your Belle and Sebastian T-Shirts...
> 
> What we need are Belle and Sebastian crotchless panties!
> 
> David Kitchen, get in touch with Bainbridge & Boston's Lingerie Online
> and get them on the case!  Be careful not to order the Modern Rock Song
> peep-hole bra, it don't exist!

you'll be lucky , i'm still in the midst of fighting for t-shirts let alone frilly things. the shop
will open sometime next week - just records but you'll like the new pricing system and ordering
thingy.

more news to follow later.

david kitchen

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From rnorth at xxx.uk  Wed Jul  8 02:41:32 1998
From: rnorth at xxx.uk (Northy)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:41:32 +0000
Subject: Sinister: errmmm......yeah!
Message-ID: <199807080024.BAA21704@zeus.netdirect.net.uk>


okey dokey

hi I am new to this list and have been sitting around for a while not 
saying much

now I will, because the great and beloved Belle and Sebastian are 
releasing a new album

rest assured I will be at any London gig, or if not there, anywhere 
around the fucking country!

anyone going to see Pulp?  I am, but mainly to see Catatonia and the 
mighty Ultrasound

okey dokey

bye

oh and you can just call me Thorny

It's a nickname sort of......

OK, bye


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From vegasbaby at xxx.com  Wed Jul  8 02:28:12 1998
From: vegasbaby at xxx.com (Courtney Knopf)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 18:28:12 PDT
Subject: Sinister: Joey Waronker, My 4th, etc.
Message-ID: <19980708012813.6569.qmail@hotmail.com>


Trousers mentioned Joey Waronker playing drums for REM at the Tibetan 
Freedom Concert. Joey is the brother of Anna Waronker, lead singer of 
the now defuct band that dog. and son of Lenny Waronker who is an exec 
over at Dreamworks (he was the executive producer on Rufus Wainwright's 
debut). ANd I believe that Joey plays (played?) drums for Beck and he 
hasn't been named as a permanent replacement. Andy...anything i left out 
that you'd care to clarify?

And speaking of Dreamworks, I worked a test screening for their new 
movie, "Antz"....looks like they'll be giving Tasha and the crew over at 
Pixar a run for their money...though I am looking forward to A Bug's 
Life a bit more. But Antz draws first blood with a release date of 
October 1st, so we shall see.

And on a bit of a late note, my 4th of July was pretty boring. 45 
minutes of fireworks is a bit excessive, don't you think? But all was 
not lost as I beleive I turned a 60 year old onto B&S. A bunch of people 
were outside playing volleyball and I was inside talking to this lady 
and she said "hmm..it's too quiet. we need music." a search for CDs 
around the house proved fruitless so I broke out my handy mix tape that 
I tend to keep in my purse for just this type of occasion. LLPJ was the 
first song on it. of course as soon as I put the tape on the party moves 
back inside and someone (I assume the owner of the house) asked what the 
music was and then this annoyingly burnt out birkenstock wearing hippy 
said "i don't know, but i hate it!"
I cocked my head to one side and imagined what king of verbal lashing 
you all would give her. That satisfied my homicidal tendencies for the 
night. She then proceeded to put on some obnoxiously lous salsa music 
and started to dance around like she was at a Dead concert.
The lady I had been talking to leaned over to me and said "I liked your 
music better."
With that I preceeded to extoll the virtues of B&S and told them to buy 
IYFS. And she made a mental note of it. At least I got to one person.

As for the neglect the west coast is facing from B&S....I'm so 
devestated about it all. Have they ever set foot on west coast soil? 
Looks like us west coast fans will just have to rent a private jet and 
fly over to see them.


~Courtney
The Sultraness of Swing
"I know what a face consists of."

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From sgold06 at xxx.edu  Wed Jul  8 03:54:59 1998
From: sgold06 at xxx.edu (Steven Jay Goldman)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 22:54:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: Joey Waronker, My 4th, etc.
In-Reply-To: <19980708012813.6569.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980707224823.25529A-100000@paladin.cc.emory.edu>


> Trousers mentioned Joey Waronker playing drums for REM at the Tibetan 
> Freedom Concert. Joey is the brother of Anna Waronker, lead singer of 
> the now defuct band that dog. and son of Lenny Waronker who is an exec 
> over at Dreamworks (he was the executive producer on Rufus Wainwright's 
> debut). ANd I believe that Joey plays (played?) drums for Beck and he 
> hasn't been named as a permanent replacement. Andy...anything i left out 
> that you'd care to clarify?
> 
Actually, for those not in the know, here's a few REM tidbits...

1:  Check out the new issue of the Oxford American (a Southern magazine
put out by John Grisham, but is kinda cool)...it's the music issue and
comes with a CD comp featuring...a new REM track!!  It's called "Why Not
Smile" and it's the first track recorded without Bill Berry on
drums...actually, it doesn't have any...a mellow little ditty...the rest
of the comp is quite fab as well...;)

2:  Word from the grapevine is that Barrett Martin, of Screaming Trees and
Tuatara fame, is the "temporary" drummer for REM during their new
recording sessions and tour if they have one... (sounds about as
"temporary" as the Lincoln Memorial, but who asked me?)

In more personal news, I'm trying to sort through a mediocre translation
of Antigone to see if it'll work in a summer production I'm the dramaturg
on...my kingdom for Greek tragedy in VERSE!

Anyhow, enough midsummer ranting...on with the B&S-drooling!

--Steven

"Oh, no!  Not EXERCISE!!"
		--Lazy Smurf

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From Delaware9 at xxx.com  Wed Jul  8 04:31:53 1998
From: Delaware9 at xxx.com (Delaware9 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:31:53 EDT
Subject: Sinister: this is nostalgia in action, amigo....
Message-ID: <b5c173b9.35a2e82a@aol.com>


OK well I have a lot thats been going thru my head and I decided to actually
write and post it instead of letting my thoughts fizzle out into nothing as
they usually do...I have written so many letters to Sinister in my head, like
thought of things I ought to write, when I am bored at work, usually, or
whenever, but I never get around to sending them.  Somehow they seem less
relelvant and worthy as the time passes by...

but ANYWAY--



and now, for that, uh, B&S contact...

I havent the slightest idea of who it was, but a moth or 2 ago one poster
commented on how he
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From Delaware9 at xxx.com  Wed Jul  8 04:34:56 1998
From: Delaware9 at xxx.com (Delaware9 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:34:56 EDT
Subject: Sinister: please disregard my last message
Message-ID: <106bebbc.35a2e8e1@aol.com>


wait wait i did not mean to send that last message i am so sorry but i had
just started typing it and i meant to save it but i pushed the wrong button!
oh dear me.  I was just putting down my brief thoughts in order to try and
think about what i wanted to say.  just delete it and ill try to fix it and
resend it

alas

jessica
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From Delaware9 at xxx.com  Wed Jul  8 05:28:17 1998
From: Delaware9 at xxx.com (Delaware9 at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:28:17 EDT
Subject: Sinister: nostalgia, take two
Message-ID: <72d9b567.35a2f562@aol.com>


OK well I have a lot thats been going thru my head and I decided to actually
write and post it instead of letting my thoughts fizzle out into nothing as
they usually do...I have written so many letters to Sinister in my head, like
thought of things I ought to write, when I am bored at work, usually, or
whenever, but I never get around to sending them.  Somehow they seem less
relelvant and worthy as the time passes by...
 
 but ANYWAY--

with all the talk of 80s stuff thats been going on, I was only able to think
of how there will inevitably be an 80s revival in the next 5-10 years..it is
fascinating to look at the past and see how the patterns of nostalgia and
rehashing old trends repeat themselves.

Everything seems to come into vogue, or is that mockery???, again 20 years
after it was first popular.  

Like in the 70s, the 1950s were remembered with TV/movies like Happy Days,
Grease and Rocky Horror Picture Show which show typical 50s teens doing their
thing...

In the 80s stuff from the 60s came back like tacky boots like really tall
boots, like in the Breakfast Club when Claire is wearing those boots with her
skirt...ew.  Also miniskirts were popular, and that really pale light pink
cosmetics trend, like in the 60s,. actually I dont know the 80s too well cos
thats when i was born but Im sure there is lots of other stuff I cant think of
now...

Then in the 90s my god, we have the flares, bell bottoms, platforms and clogs,
disco on the radio every Saturday night, Boogie nights, all that 70s stuff on
VH1, the rerelease of Grease, and also the late 70s punk and ska, its the 70s
all over again...

This is all American stuff but im sure that other countries follow similar
patterns...

Anyway to get to the point, the 80s are gonna come back in the early 2000s,
theoretically, and can you just imagine what it will be that comes back??
Fashion- or pop-culture-speaking...the gauchos, neon, tightass jeans, and will
new wave fall under the same revival disco did??  I loved the fact that
(early-to-mid, at least) 80s fashion seemed to be a mismatch of the craziest
things one could pull from their closet, but can you see it?  Asymmetrical
haircuts, tight stretch pants, etc....I feel bad for those who fervently hate
all 80s culture cos its gonna be in our face very soon...

what kind of music do you all think will come back in the 00s?  I hope to god
its not the return of cock rock , or as some say, hair rock...i shudder at the
thought
and now, for that, uh, B&S content...
 
 I havent the slightest idea of who it was, but a month or 2 ago one poster
commented on how he would look on the web sites at the lyrics for B&S songs he
had never heard and make up melodies in his head for the songs...do any of you
find that happening for these new songs, after simply hearing their titles?
Like, words for "It could have been a brilliant career"

"It could have been a brilliant career,"
he cried into his beer,
while pigeons fought for crumbs,

"It could have been a wonderful ride,"
he shuddered and sighed, 
and sat upon his thumbs

Haha, I know that its awfully cheesy but I cant stop myself!!  It comes on its
own...at least I know that anything B&S writes would have to be 80 times
better than this and I will be pleasantly surprised to hear the real thing
after this trash has been swimming round my head...

Also, I suppose we all know by now not to trust CDZone, but what abt Music
Blvd?  Have you all had OK experiences with them?  I ordered the LLPJ EP but
have yet to send in my payment.  I have ordered things from them before,
successfully.  Are they A-OK when it comes to B&S?

Jess
"Don't dream it, be it!"
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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Wed Jul  8 05:43:47 1998
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:43:47 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Fireworks
Message-ID: <a40614e6.35a2f904@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-07-07 22:00:00 EDT, you write:

> 45 
>  minutes of fireworks is a bit excessive, don't you think? 


Oh  never!  Fireworks are the absolutely best thing about the 4th of July --
sparkly and magic... they should last ALL night, especially when you're
sitting with wonderful company and giggling happily like wee fools.  Fireworks
are always a celebration .

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From Manzello at xxx.com  Wed Jul  8 08:18:12 1998
From: Manzello at xxx.com (Manzello at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:18:12 EDT
Subject: Sinister: It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career
Message-ID: <fc8b62ec.35a31d35@aol.com>


I've had the pleasure of listening to the new B&S album for a bit, and I feel
I would be remiss in my duties as a listee if I didn't share a few of my
thoughts.  If you would rather not know anything more about the new album,
then this would be a good place to stop reading.

I wasn't particularly surprised by anything on the record--another fine
collection of dreamy pop tunes.  One of the best things is that Isobel (I
think) sings a bit more, including "Is It Wicked Not To Care."  There is one
spoken word track, "A Spaceboy Dream."  My personal favourites are "The Boy
With The Arab Stap," "Dirty Dream No. 2," and a wonderfully wriggling synth
tune, "Sleep Around The Clock." 

I could help but recognise that a couple of the songs that I liked best were
not included in the Jeepster track listing.  I suppose time will tell whether
they are saving a couple of gems for b-sides, or if I just have dismally bad
taste in music.

If I had to list this all of the B&S records, "1" being my most favourite and
counting the three ep's as one release, my list would be as follows:

1)ep's		 
2)new album	 
3)tigermilk	 
4)iyfs		 


That's just how I feel.
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From aevans at xxx.uk  Wed Jul  8 09:27:56 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:27:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The Captains Table
Message-ID: <01BDAA52.B1964F20@pc07628>



Vickwee wrote :

>I thought I should warn Sinister people of the hidden dangers of >keeping goldfish.

>so I had 6 fish
>swimming happily around. Except they didn't swim happily for very >long, they got a yukky disease called white spot which meant that >they were cover in white blobs that were itchy and they kept >rubbing their scales on all available surfaces and even tried to >commit suicide on various occassions,

My fish occasionally get this whitespot, I pour half a bottle of Calomine lotion to stop them itching.

Very successful aquarium, mine.

>So I decided to buy some more,  
>and the last one to be eaten was swimming around without a tail, >because the most viscious goldfish had been eating the flesh away >the was at the base of the tail. 

Aren't Goldfish vegetarian ?
Despite the fact we pump them full of powdered fish bits.

>So I killed the other one, 

Nice touch.

Duke wrote :

>i have been toying with the idea of writing
>an article on my ten favourite f1 drivers recently

Surely by Jeeves this must include the Japanese driver who, a couple of years ago crashed out of a race, got out of his motor and promtly walked unsighted into the path of a safety vehicle...Up over the bonnet he did go...
It's not funny really, well actually it is but we shouldn't laugh.
Can't remember whether it was Suzuki, Nakano or Kamikaze.... probably.

And then there was Rene Arnoux.  I'm sorry, how can such a glamorous team as Ferrari go with a driver called Rene ?  He's clearly never going to win a thing with a name like that, and for that and that alone I vote Linda's Honeypet should be called Rene or Arnoux or Rene Arnoux or Ferrari or Enzo or Enzo Ferrari or shut up Adrian.

Many happy returns of the day to young Debbie me thinks.

Mike Hawthorns.
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From Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk  Wed Jul  8 09:34:29 1998
From: Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk (Huw Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:34:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: errmmm......yeah!
Message-ID: <61D51AF2F749D11196EA00805F387D440487D5@RMF1>


 wrote:
>anyone going to see Pulp?  I am, but mainly to see Catatonia and the 
>mighty Ultrasound

Is that in Finsbury Park by any chance, with Add n  to X and a few
others.  I do hope so, as I didn't realise Catatonia are playing there
as well aaaaand I'm moving to house just next to the park this very
weekend.  Any Lhandeners happen to know what it's like to live around
Stoke Newington and area.

Huw






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From keith at xxx.uk  Wed Jul  8 10:16:18 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:16:18 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Stuff/I like cake
Message-ID: <01bdaa51$1095af40$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


I bought a couple of records at the weekend, which were recommended by
people connected with this list, the first, Stormbringer by John and
Beaverly Martin I got, which is ace, Mr.Coneeely, you are right, it's dead
nice, although I'm not convinced that it's better than Solid Air, it's
certainly class, Tomorrow time is my current favourite, and I believe that
one was written by Beaver-ly. I also got "I want to see the bright lights
tonight" by Richard and Linda Thompson (it was only when I got home I
realised I'd been on a bit of a "signed to Island records, and with their
wives" tip), it's top class too, and it's got a lovely cover as well.

    I'm afraid I'm not going to T in the Park myself cause I can't be
bothered with it, still I'm sure you'll all hve a nice time and stuff and I
hope it doesn't rain. Perhaps this weekend would be a good time to arrange a
picnic in Edinburgh, whilst T in the park is on, on the Sunday... at Night!

    Sarah, glad you're enjoying Dexy's and ABC, they're both class. ABC's
second album "Beauty Stab" is really good too, although it got panned a bit
at the time, it's well worth it, I don't really know what happened to them
after that - they had a hit in 1987 or something as I remember called "When
sausage sings" which is about Genevieve's cat. It was a nice song that, but
I dunno anything about the album.

    Linda, I'll have to concur with Andreas, I think you should name your
fish in honour of the Jazz Butcher, and call it Pat Butcher.



Cheers,
    Keith.


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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Wed Jul  8 10:37:07 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:37:07 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Stuff/I like cake
In-Reply-To: <01bdaa51$1095af40$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>
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> 
>     Sarah, glad you're enjoying Dexy's and ABC, they're both class. ABC's
> second album "Beauty Stab" is really good too, although it got panned a bit
> at the time, it's well worth it, I don't really know what happened to them
> after that - they had a hit in 1987 or something as I remember called "When
> sausage sings" 

there was also an album out last year, with a couple of rather classy
singles on it. didn't chart, or anythign like that, but apparently martin
fry et al (are there any al any more?) also played some dates

espadrille

(not the voice of authority. or the mysterons)

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From palomar at xxx.es  Wed Jul  8 12:53:14 1998
From: palomar at xxx.es (Jorge Palomar)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:53:14 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Help!!!
Message-ID: <l03010d02b1c90ccc6700@[195.55.129.54]>


Hi:
My name is Jorge and I have a fanzine called "100.000 Luciernagas" Belle &
Sebastian will be in the cover of issue nº2. I have a really good interview
prepared for them but I think if I send it to Jeepster or to the band
directly they will not answer. Could you please help me? Are any of you
(close) friends of any of the menbers of B&S? Maybe if you send it to them
I will be more lucky...

Love

jorge


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From timminsc at xxx.ie  Wed Jul  8 12:55:34 1998
From: timminsc at xxx.ie (Claire Timmins)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:55:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: aww all homesick now
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980708125534.007b22a0@mail.tcd.ie>


 I was watching 'Alternative Nation' last night (no wonder nobody was
sitting at this computer al the keys ar sticking). And after an hour or so,
pleaded to the TV for a Belle & Sebastian vid, and lo and behold 'Dog on
Wheels' was just starting. It was the 1st B&S video I have ever seen, and I
knew everywhere Stuart went. I even miss the toy shop he went into (I got a
great multi-coloured umbrella there once).
 I didn't stay up much longer, did they show any more Scottish tunes??

 This computer is pissing m of now so I am going to av it. Bye everyon

 cheers, Cair

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From ip211579 at xxx.pt  Wed Jul  8 13:04:20 1998
From: ip211579 at xxx.pt (ANTONIO ZUQUETE)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:04:20 +0100
Subject: Sinister: free design
Message-ID: <199807081205.NAA15903@mail2.ip.pt>


Free Design ...  Is it the New York band from the 1960`s?
Well if they are they remind me of ...  let´s say ... Harpers Bizarre.
Very nice vocal harmonies.
						Pedro Z
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From Funkyseb at xxx.com  Wed Jul  8 13:32:35 1998
From: Funkyseb at xxx.com (Funkyseb at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:32:35 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Dirty Boys
Message-ID: <b604f485.35a366e5@aol.com>


        Hooray! Finally some info on the new album. Mind you, I'm a bit
worried that the band have spent a little too long in the studio; Dirty Dream
# 2*, The Boy with the Arab Strap? Will Stuart be growling incoherently about
big cocks on this album? I do hope so, that would kill that bloody twee label
for good. Maybe this album should be called Cock Fun.
        But what I mean to say is that if there are any plans for a T in the
park picnic, can someone e-mail me this afternoon? Otherwise I'll be the boy
with inadvisable hair/flares; (quite easy to spot.)
Have a lovely picnic London people :-)           
Seb
*I had a Dirty Dream the other night, I was having sex with a cat. Just
thought I'd share that with 500 odd people....
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Wed Jul  8 13:47:08 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:47:08 +0200
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
Message-ID: <01bdaa6e$859c9d40$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


The lovely Adrianne wrote:

And then there was Rene Arnoux.  I'm sorry, how can such a glamorous team as
Ferrari go with a driver called Rene ?  He's clearly never going to win a
thing with a name like that, and for that and that alone I vote Linda's
Honeypet should be called Rene or Arnoux or Rene Arnoux or Ferrari or Enzo
or Enzo Ferrari or shut up Adrian.

Does anyone remember Rene Arnoux's performance on Superstars? He was short
and unfit and came in about half an hour after everyone else in the hundred
metres dash. Not a patch on Brian Jacks. Where are they now? And wasn't Rene
with Renault? Superstars, what a great programme. I wonder how much they got
paid?

Wriggling synth tunes? Just how wriggling? Higgledy piggledy  ne'er do well
wriggling or sinuous snakey sexy song snake wriggling?

So, our old friend Mister Waronker has moved on to Dreamworks, eh? Now
THERE'S a definitive story I would like to read. I can't really imagine
McCarthy being a thrill a minute, unless someone makes it all up. Has anyone
got that Cherry Red book, every indie pop release of the 80s or something?
And has anyone seen the B&S entry in the Virgin Book of Alternative Rock?
It's not very good. Perhaps this topic was covered while I was away. In
which case, mea extrema culpa.

The Smiths are underrated. Their time will come.

Thanks for that charming pen portrait of Baronet Roddington on patrol at T
in the Park. I am relieved to hear it's only his sister in the purple
frightwig, and he won't be breeding just yet. I don't know, Popgob, endless
reams of press
coverage, and now making records in his bedroom! We certainly are lucky on
this list to have our very own Jonathan King. Long may he reign!

Peter


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From IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es  Wed Jul  8 15:04:44 1998
From: IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jose_Maria_Sag=FAillo_=28hijo=29?=)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:04:44 +0200 
Subject: Sinister: Free design and Harpers Bizarre
Message-ID: <E060C4F45DFAD111A77D00104B37187EA9E8@GESTAMP2>


Hi

FREE DESIGN are much better than harpers bizarre.  
Other fantastic records:
Jan and Dean "Save for a Rainy day"
Roger Nichols and the Small circle of friends 
The left Banke
Harpers bizarre
Millenium
Yellow balloon
The Searchers "Where have all the Flowers gone"
5th Dimension

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From Scott_Turner at xxx.COM  Wed Jul  8 16:03:09 1998
From: Scott_Turner at xxx.COM (Scott Turner)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:03:09 -0400
Subject: Sinister: nostalgia, 80s
Message-ID: <8525663B.0051ACA8.00@JHMAIL.JH.COM>


oh delaware9 my fashion friend, no need to wait for the 2000s, the 80s are
already back and kicking.

Have you not noticed that stretch nickers, stilleto pumps, tight jeans,
cargo pants, tight shirts, assymetric, slicked and flock of seagulled hair
have all already trickled down from the runway and onto the taught bods of
the city folk? Just yesterday, I actually so some cat wearing those pants
with the lone single tubular stripe running down the side of the leg (what
the hell were those things called).

But everything has come back in the late 90s- i think its a millenium thing
(shh, don't tell anyone).

.scott


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From barzy at xxx.com  Wed Jul  8 18:32:07 1998
From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:32:07 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Free design and Harpers Bizarre
Message-ID: <v01540b06b1c95ca7c50d@[209.85.25.57]>


>Hi
>
>FREE DESIGN are much better than harpers bizarre.
>Other fantastic records:
>Jan and Dean "Save for a Rainy day"
>Roger Nichols and the Small circle of friends
>The left Banke
>Harpers bizarre
>Millenium
>Yellow balloon
>The Searchers "Where have all the Flowers gone"
>5th Dimension


Very few people i've talked to have heard of the Millenium record....It's
the producer of The Association, who's singing... right? Someone told me it
was reissued on Columbia Records, but i've looked everywhere! I have a tape
of it somewhere, and it's *lovely*.....Hum...the dj is playing "Sunday
Morning" as done by James....could be really bad...but it's nice...I'd
forgotten they did this...it makes me *sigh*

In a good way....


xbeth














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From craftylo at xxx.com  Wed Jul  8 17:52:11 1998
From: craftylo at xxx.com (Princess Rachel)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:52:11 -0400
Subject: Sinister: [Fwd: E-POP: has anyone noticed...]
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From MctaggartR at xxx.com  Wed Jul  8 17:54:00 1998
From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:54:00 +0100 
Subject: Sinister: Meet Mike, he swims like a fish
Message-ID: <A141A8FB79B3D1118E2D006097E0308B03A06F@MAILSERVER>


Hello Nasties,

Yesterday was a great day to be Sinister.  I laughed, I cried, I danced
the hoochie-coo.  It helped me get over the extraordinary "breakbeat"
incident of the day before.  I can't believe there's someone who hasn't
even heard the new B&S LP and is already wringing his hands in despair
that it might be...different...with nasty, horrid electronic bits on it.
I'm not a violent man, but come the revolution all purists will be stood
up against a wall and shot.

Stephen Fotherington-Trousers wrote:

>I can recommend the soundtrack to "Here We Go 'Round the Mulberry
?>Bush" which I notice has been reissued. Not only does it feature Mr
>Stevie Winwood, and so is full of gritty wooden soul and all that
>Wellah business, but it's also from a film set in Swinging Stevenage,
>and reminds me of my innocent youth, before I was lured into the evil
>buckaroo den of Jasper, Tarquin and the rest of the metrosexuals...

The best thing about "Here we go round the mulberry bush" was the sight
of our very own 'vet in harness' Christopher Timothy (before the days
when he stuck his arm up the rear ends of hapless cattle for art)
hanging from the rail of a double decker with *the* most inane grin you
have ever seen, a feat he later repeated when advertising "The Sun".
It's got Adrienne Posta in it too.  I like her.

MILLER wrote:

>I didn't really mean anyone in particular, and I wasn't just >referring
to the list, it's just that sometimes we all get kinda hung >up on
"knowledge" instead of just diggin' the sounds. That's all that
>matters, and it's beautiful, baby! Why should we get all tongue-tied
>if we don't know the title of every b-side and the names of the
>musicians? Let go, go with the flow. No references required. Daws >will
peck at them, man. There's no time. Passion is for the >passionate.

Peter, I am genuinely moved.  I'm filling up.

Debbie wrote of Rod:

>he's probably just taking his wee sister,

No, it's JJ in a dress.

>like last year. I saw him. and he was wearing that bloody Helen Love
>t-shirt too. He obviously doesn't have any other clothes, poor lad.

Here I am, thinking as usual about Dave.  Oooh, Dave is wonderful, Dave
can do anything.  When POW! .... out pops my Fairy Godmother with her
"I'll give you three wishes routine".  Wish number one is easy.  Next I
wish we were both at the seaside....

Keith "Four Big Speakers" Watson wrote:

>Linda, I'll have to concur with Andreas, I think you should name your
>fish in honour of the Jazz Butcher, and call it Pat Butcher.

I'm sorry, I have nothing to add.  I just thought it was worth
repeating, in case anyone missed it.

Finally "Northy" wrote:

>hi I am new to this list and have been sitting around for a while not 
>saying much

The gall of the man!!!  Northy, I salute you.

>oh and you can just call me Thorny

Call me what you like, Northy, just so long as you call me...

Love,
Ronnie Peterson xxx
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From SLamba at xxx.COM  Wed Jul  8 18:10:23 1998
From: SLamba at xxx.COM (Lamba, Sanjeet )
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:10:23 -0700 
Subject: Sinister: nostalgia, take two
Message-ID: <422B07DB41D7D111B9AF00805F19B04CE8BCDB@SFNS01>


You know, it seems to me the '80's revival is already here. I say this only
because I just heard the new Beastie Boys single, and it sounds like
something Grandmaster Flash would have put out. And I've been seeing lots of
denim jackets around. Maybe its time to stock up on some hair styling
products. Mousse or something.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Delaware9 at xxx.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, July 07, 1998 9:28 PM
> To:	sinister at majordomo.net
> Subject:	Sinister: nostalgia, take two
> 
> 
> OK well I have a lot thats been going thru my head and I decided to
> actually
> write and post it instead of letting my thoughts fizzle out into nothing
> as
> they usually do...I have written so many letters to Sinister in my head,
> like
> thought of things I ought to write, when I am bored at work, usually, or
> whenever, but I never get around to sending them.  Somehow they seem less
> relelvant and worthy as the time passes by...
>  
>  but ANYWAY--
> 
> with all the talk of 80s stuff thats been going on, I was only able to
> think
> of how there will inevitably be an 80s revival in the next 5-10 years..it
> is
> fascinating to look at the past and see how the patterns of nostalgia and
> rehashing old trends repeat themselves.
> 
> Everything seems to come into vogue, or is that mockery???, again 20 years
> after it was first popular.  
> 
> Like in the 70s, the 1950s were remembered with TV/movies like Happy Days,
> Grease and Rocky Horror Picture Show which show typical 50s teens doing
> their
> thing...
> 
> In the 80s stuff from the 60s came back like tacky boots like really tall
> boots, like in the Breakfast Club when Claire is wearing those boots with
> her
> skirt...ew.  Also miniskirts were popular, and that really pale light pink
> cosmetics trend, like in the 60s,. actually I dont know the 80s too well
> cos
> thats when i was born but Im sure there is lots of other stuff I cant
> think of
> now...
> 
> Then in the 90s my god, we have the flares, bell bottoms, platforms and
> clogs,
> disco on the radio every Saturday night, Boogie nights, all that 70s stuff
> on
> VH1, the rerelease of Grease, and also the late 70s punk and ska, its the
> 70s
> all over again...
> 
> This is all American stuff but im sure that other countries follow similar
> patterns...
> 
> Anyway to get to the point, the 80s are gonna come back in the early
> 2000s,
> theoretically, and can you just imagine what it will be that comes back??
> Fashion- or pop-culture-speaking...the gauchos, neon, tightass jeans, and
> will
> new wave fall under the same revival disco did??  I loved the fact that
> (early-to-mid, at least) 80s fashion seemed to be a mismatch of the
> craziest
> things one could pull from their closet, but can you see it?  Asymmetrical
> haircuts, tight stretch pants, etc....I feel bad for those who fervently
> hate
> all 80s culture cos its gonna be in our face very soon...
> 
> what kind of music do you all think will come back in the 00s?  I hope to
> god
> its not the return of cock rock , or as some say, hair rock...i shudder at
> the
> thought
> and now, for that, uh, B&S content...
>  
>  I havent the slightest idea of who it was, but a month or 2 ago one
> poster
> commented on how he would look on the web sites at the lyrics for B&S
> songs he
> had never heard and make up melodies in his head for the songs...do any of
> you
> find that happening for these new songs, after simply hearing their
> titles?
> Like, words for "It could have been a brilliant career"
> 
> "It could have been a brilliant career,"
> he cried into his beer,
> while pigeons fought for crumbs,
> 
> "It could have been a wonderful ride,"
> he shuddered and sighed, 
> and sat upon his thumbs
> 
> Haha, I know that its awfully cheesy but I cant stop myself!!  It comes on
> its
> own...at least I know that anything B&S writes would have to be 80 times
> better than this and I will be pleasantly surprised to hear the real thing
> after this trash has been swimming round my head...
> 
> Also, I suppose we all know by now not to trust CDZone, but what abt Music
> Blvd?  Have you all had OK experiences with them?  I ordered the LLPJ EP
> but
> have yet to send in my payment.  I have ordered things from them before,
> successfully.  Are they A-OK when it comes to B&S?
> 
> Jess
> "Don't dream it, be it!"
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From tangent at xxx.net  Wed Jul  8 18:47:58 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 18:47:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
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PJMiller wrote:
 
> Does anyone remember Rene Arnoux's performance on Superstars? He was short
> and unfit and came in about half an hour after everyone else in the hundred
> metres dash. Not a patch on Brian Jacks. Where are they now? And wasn't Rene
> with Renault? Superstars, what a great programme. I wonder how much they got
> paid?

a pack of gitanes, allegedly. actually that's why rene always came in
last, he smoked too many fags. yeah, he drove a renault for a while, and
it always blew up. he did win in one at monza though, beating tambay in
a ferrari, but the tifosi forgave him because he was going to drive for
them the next year. i think he might even have wona race or two for
them, but then he got dumped and went to ligier when they were crap and
even jacques laffitre when he was, like, 50, was quicker than him. Brian
Jacks? short dumpy geezer, right? Judo man. Not a patch on Jody
Scheckter, who won the first international superstars. i always laughed
at them in the bike races because they rode like schoolkids, or gringos
as we used to call them.

 
> THERE'S a definitive story I would like to read. I can't really imagine
> McCarthy being a thrill a minute, unless someone makes it all up. 

i might make it all up in a week or so, i'll see how my schedule goes.
it might be amusing trying to equate a love of the pet shop boys with
revolutionary communism.

> The Smiths are underrated. Their time will come.

not if i can help it, mate.

respect.

the duke


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From sarah at xxx.uk  Wed Jul  8 18:47:47 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:47:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: fish keeping and ELO!
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19980707153043.2e6fdba6@pop-server.bcc.ac.uk>
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Hello!

Lets get right to it...

Vicky wrote...
>Electronic music, surely ELO are the kings? 

YES YES YES!!! For MR BLUE SKY which is one of the most amazing songs
ever in the whole entire world of P!O!P, POP, Pop, (pop?) and
POPADOODARDAY even, ELO have produced one of my fave songs ever. Even
though it's ACTUALLY from 1979 as a somwehat pedantic person told me :)
only kidding :)

I don't quite like terming them as "Electronic Music" though, that seems
to convey such emotional detachment, and Mr Blue Sky is really moving in
a beautiful happyjoy sun shining through! style...."Electronic" music
makes me still think of Kraftwerk and the Pet Shop Boys, all great, but
no overt emotion. Which can also be good, but it's not ELO...

>I expect that maybe one person on the list will be interested to know that
>when REM played at that Tibet thing recently, their replacement drummer was
>a bloke called Joey Waronker.

Hehehehehe.....I know you did not mean me, but that is hilariously funny
anyway.....Hehehehe....Waronker....sounds a bit like Plonker!!! And
that's just RUDE!!! oooooh!

oh, and honeychile! Get another fish, and call your two fishes "Smelly",
and "Belly". Well, I laughed at that for a whole five minutes once. (I
am so bored at college, you don't understand how dull it gets...leave me
alone...)
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From thaiant at xxx.gov  Wed Jul  8 21:40:15 1998
From: thaiant at xxx.gov (Thaian N Ton)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:40:15 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Ack! Confusion?!
Message-ID: <35A3D92E.BA6CDD9B@pop.nci.nih.gov>


Oh  listees, I'm sorry did I fall asleep and not read a tremendous post?


          Manzello at aol.com wrote:


I've had the pleasure of listening to the new B&S album for a bit, and I
feel
I would be remiss in my duties as a listee if I didn't share a few of my

thoughts.  If you would rather not know anything more about the new
album,
then this would be a good place to stop reading.
 **
So. did i miss out where to listen to the new B&S album?  Is it out
there somewhere or do you have to be magically mystical and associated
with _high & powerful_ music gods to know these things?

Sorry, it seems that i'm in a mess & in a dress every day of my life.

Wee Chi Chi (Thai-An) xo

ps as for B&S content, can we request where B&S will perform in the US?
Can I indulge in a large whisper and say Baltimore is the place to be??
they can always kip on my large sofas.

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From rnorth at xxx.uk  Wed Jul  8 22:15:01 1998
From: rnorth at xxx.uk (Northy)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:15:01 +0000
Subject: Sinister: The Boy with a dodgy Scottish indie band
Message-ID: <199807081958.UAA22587@zeus.netdirect.net.uk>


In the words of the great Greek philosopher Homer,

DOH!

I forgot to change my bloody name signature!

> >hi I am new to this list and have been sitting around for a while not 
> >saying much
> 
> The gall of the man!!!  Northy, I salute you.

Thanx!  Just like a single magpie.  Now people give me some weird 
looks when I do that.....

> Call me what you like, Northy, just so long as you call me...

I was initially annoyed that you had uncovered my cunning disguise, 
but seeing as you're such a fantastic person, I solemnly forgive you.

from the now revealed Northy, keen to jump back on the Belle and 
Sebastian soundtrack now their new LP is out  :)

so who's still out there?  Mr Steven Eastwood perhaps?  I love your 
teletext page man.  Last night I got the nicest shock of my life when 
I saw the new LP news.  Thanx again!  But what's with the deluge of 
adverts on your pages?  Are the corporate pigs getting to you?

OK, then bye

I now have, Queen is Dead, Strangeways and Louder than Bombs

What's next kids?

_____________________________________________________

"Gary Glitter's gone to seed so who will lead us now?"
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From honey at xxx.net  Wed Jul  8 21:46:36 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:46:36 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: Sinister: dead royals
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.96.980708213810.-440831D-100000@lust>


Thanks to all of you for your contributions of racing driver and rude
names for fish - I'm afraid Linda's ignoring them all and calling said 
fish "Princess Diana".  Letters of complaint to her please.  It's her
birthday.

Anyway, the non-cycling-short-wearing Stuart asked me to remind you all
that Isobel's second song is on the Treehouse site www.treehouse.clara.net
- go and take a listen as they disappear after a bit.  He's also got some
other stuff going on there, some Looper clips, but sadly the tape of the
concert didn't come out or something.

Does anyone have newts?  How big do chinese fire-bellied newts grow to
please?  Can you make little hats for their heads, and do you need to
strap them on with little elastic bands?  Do newts have 80s revival
parties?

honey xxx

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From mick at xxx.com  Wed Jul  8 22:53:46 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 17:53:46 -0400
Subject: Sinister: the Millenium
References: <v01540b06b1c95ca7c50d@[209.85.25.57]>
Message-ID: <35A3EA6A.34D5A648@indiepop.com>


Madame Cholet wrote:
> >The left Banke

	Excellent band! I personally prefer them to the Free Design a tiny bit,
but it's all a matter of taste. Speaking of taste, I recall seeing that
B&S covered the Left Banke back at that one show of theirs. 

> >Millenium 
> Very few people i've talked to have heard of the Millenium record....

	True, and I think most of them owe it to ex-listie Murray ;)  Yes, I
too have been thoroughly enjoying my copy of their (sadly) only album.
Especially "I Just Wanna Be Your Friend." Brilliant basslines. Also,
despite the fact that few people have heard of the Millenium, Robert
Wratten (of Field Mice/Trembling Blue Stars fame) listed it as one of
the records he'd been listening to recently, in a recent interview.

> It's the producer of The Association, who's singing... right?

	Which Association album? I've got "Insight Out," and it was produced by
someone named "Bones Howe" (hehe) whom is decidedly *not* Kurt
Boettcher, (sp?) the voice of the Millenium. I think Kurt did produce
quite a few things, though, so maybe it's a different album.

> Someone told me it was reissued on Columbia Records, but i've looked everywhere!

	Yep, with *exclusive unreleased songs!* Well, only two, but they're
both worth tracking the reissue down for if you have the original.

> I have a tape of it somewhere, and it's *lovely*...

	I concur wholeheartedly!
 
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From bgainey at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 00:03:20 1998
From: bgainey at xxx.com (Brian Howe Gainey)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 16:03:20 -0700
Subject: Sinister: looooooper...
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980708160320.006c1df0@pophost.wired.com>


yay!!!
got my looper singles in the mail today...
haven't listened to 'em yet because i'm at work.
but they look really nice :)

brian
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From barzy at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 01:33:01 1998
From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:33:01 -0800
Subject: Sinister: looooooper...
Message-ID: <v01540b20b1c9c02d2739@[209.85.25.57]>


>yay!!!
>got my looper singles in the mail today...
>haven't listened to 'em yet because i'm at work.
>but they look really nice :)
>
>brian


Heehee me too! Yeah...they do look swell, don't they....? I wish I had a
turn table here at work..or one of those little vans with the needle on the
bottom to drive round and round and round and play the little record.....


beth














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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 01:22:54 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:22:54 EDT
Subject: Sinister: hang the dj hang the dj hang the dj hang the dj hang the dj hang the dj...
Message-ID: <b3d0bd7d.35a40d5f@aol.com>


i've been a huge smiths fan for exactly six days now.

matt

<< 
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 not if i can help it, mate.
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From Andreas.Hering at xxx.de  Thu Jul  9 01:27:54 1998
From: Andreas.Hering at xxx.de (Perfection As A Hipster)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:27:54 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Sinister: Meet Mike, he swims like a fish
Message-ID: <199807090027.CAA09632@studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de>


Robert McRagtag wrote ...

>Yesterday was a great day to be Sinister.  I laughed, I cried, I danced
>the hoochie-coo.  It helped me get over the extraordinary "breakbeat"
>incident of the day before.  I can't believe there's someone who hasn't
>even heard the new B&S LP and is already wringing his hands in despair
>that it might be...different...with nasty, horrid electronic bits on it.

Welly well, the above lines make me wonder whether the writer has even heard
the Looper 7" himself (no, having heard the forthcoming B&S album would be
cheating) ... seeing that the flipside entitled "Spaceboy Dream #3" is
a(nother) version of "Spaceboy Dream #2" from the forthcoming album I'd
humbly suggest that the considerations at issue are not necessarily
unfounded, unless you view Belle And Sebastian as the sole baby of Stuart
Murdoch ... keeping in mind former disgressions such as "Electronic
Renaissance" or ear witnesses who mentioned <gasp> "clean" production.
Personally I'd like to read more critical thoughts on this mailing list,
even better when they prevent the unnorthy kids from making a minor
investment for a piece of plastic which may (or may not) cause
dissapointment ... definitely much more appreciated than a dozen two line
messages expressing their "thoughtful" excitement following the latest news,
even though this made for more B&S "content" in one day than over the last
month ... have I mentioned the deliberate misuse of the description P!O!P!
yet ? Oh well, this mailing list is probably too clique-ish for my liking
... "My Days Are Numbered".

Discuss. §;^D

>I'm not a violent man, but come the revolution all purists will be stood
>up against a wall and shot.

"Shoot Me Down" (The Groovy Little Numbers)

Andreas

The rain it raineth on the just
And also on the unjust fella
But more upon the just because 
The unjust steals the just's umbrella

(Charles Baron Bowen)

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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 01:52:32 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:52:32 EDT
Subject: Sinister: nostalgia, take two
Message-ID: <4d84be8c.35a41451@aol.com>


that was the last picture show, yeah?

matt

who is so unbelievably bored...

(and wondering how that or rocky horror are typical 50s teens)
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 Grease and Rocky Horror Picture Show which show typical 50s teens doing their
 thing...
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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 01:58:18 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:58:18 EDT
Subject: Sinister: nostalgia, take two
Message-ID: <de9715c9.35a415ad@aol.com>


but haven't we already gone through the 80's revival with th wedding singer,
the rise and fall of the big 80's on vh-1, the save ferris cover of come on
eileen and the reel big fish cover of take on me...


anyway i felt very old because i dont know if anyone knows of this syndicated
radio thing here in the us called the retro-pop reunion... itmakes mee feel
old becuause they always play "really old" stuff like connected by stereo mcs
and freedom  90 by george michael...

which reminds me does anyone remember a song called love you more or something
like that by a band called sunscorch... i was thinking about how  much i liked
it in 6th grade but for the life of me couldnt remember a word of it

matt
who is still BORED
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From Ociosoig at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 03:01:45 1998
From: Ociosoig at xxx.com (Ociosoig at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:01:45 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Ack! Confusion?!
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well it said the east coast,so im very dumb-and i dont know where baltimore
is-but maybe they'll come to my land.   -a.james
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From carrick44 at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 03:25:02 1998
From: carrick44 at xxx.com (Carrick C Blair)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:25:02 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Ack! Confusion?!
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Wee Chi Chi (Thai-An) wrote
>
>ps as for B&S content, can we request where B&S will perform in the US?
>Can I indulge in a large whisper and say Baltimore is the place to be??
>they can always kip on my large sofas.

Though living far from Baltimore, I'd certainly recommend that B&S play
there. I can just invision them getting some church in the John Waters
part of town (the area were all the houses are covered with faux-rock) to
let them play there. Maybe one built in the 50's that has been covered
over with vinyl siding.  A nice contrast to the beautiful old synagogue
in NYC.  And Baltimore just oozes with character, unless you wander into
the baseball stadium which I felt looked rather contrived. There's the
whole Edgar Allen Poe connection as well. And then there's Tim Hardin's
Lady Came From Baltimore.  A nice tune for B&S to cover. 

love
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From Ociosoig at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 03:52:03 1998
From: Ociosoig at xxx.com (Ociosoig at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:52:03 EDT
Subject: Sinister: LOOPER realaudio
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does anyone know where i can hear the looper songs on rel audio because
at "www.treehouse.clara.net"-it says its not real audio. anyone ?
thanks.  

-a.james
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From Ociosoig at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 04:14:07 1998
From: Ociosoig at xxx.com (Ociosoig at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:14:07 EDT
Subject: Sinister: looper and subpop
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ok someone help me. i have yet to find anything on the subpop website about
looper- i searched thru BANDS and CATLOGS and still i find no looper...not
even in the singles clubs....what am i doing wrong and how ,did you all get
your records? thank you again.  cheers.

-a.james
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From carrick44 at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 04:33:25 1998
From: carrick44 at xxx.com (Carrick C Blair)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:33:25 EDT
Subject: Sinister: The boy who's always dancing
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On Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:24:42 +0100 "jon g." <jon.g at btinternet.com> writes:

> but there seems to be nothing of any real cultural significance
>yelling at me from the last decade, unlike the 60s and 70s, which are
>screaming at me all day long.  All there seems to be is dodgy kiddy
casio
>keyboards and pop stars who don't write their own songs.  I know there 
>musthave been more, but I can't see it.  Can anyone help?  Or I am I 
>right?

well, i waited a few days to see if anyone could help jon.g to appreciate
years 80-89. I assumed there must be more informed people out there who
could help out. But all we've seen is a short list of worthwhile bands
and some rather distasteful reminders of 80's fashions. Unfortunately, I
can only do this from American perspective. Things might have been
different elsewhere. 

The 80's were a decade quite close to my heart.  One beautiful thing
about it was how easy it was to be different. Button the top button of
your shirt you were branded a freak worthy of a serious thrashing.
Basically popular music was in a pathetic state. What started in the
70's, with Americans refusal to accept Punk, and instead wallowing in
disco, bad disco mind you, and the same old
Eagles/SteveMiller/Boston/Etc. Etc. classic rock, carried on throughout
the 80's. A look at a high school yearbook from the years 1975 to 1988
and you would have sworn that time stood still. But as you look through
the pages you'd always see a few rather peculiar looking kids with quotes
underneath from Jonathan Richman or the Smiths. It was us vs. them.

But American music was thriving in the 80's. It was just not being talked
about. Mission of Burma, Pylon, REM, Dream Syndicate, Minutemen, Husker
Du, The Replacements. Bands you could believe in. And then there was all
that dance thing going on in Chicago and Detroit, but I don't know much
about that. And Grandmaster Flash, African Bambatta(sp?). There was just
a lot of good music in a lots of different places. And fashion? For the
indie kids it was blue jeans, sneakers, and t-shirts. The less
pretentious the better. Style wasn't very big. A bit of a cleansing
period after the excesses of the 70's, and a rebellion against all the
silly big hair new romantic/heavy metal types. Of course, most Americans
are completely oblivious to all this (so therefore no VH-1
retrospective).  As they were to all the great British bands, overrated,
underrated or otherwise. 

I remember some very fine movies during the 80's. Room with a View,
Breakfast Club, those french movies that I can't remember, oh yeah, Manon
of the Spring. Lots more, not much of a film buff. Books, Theater, Dance?
Maybe somebody else can fill you in.

And really jon g, for any avid fan of Belle & Sebastian, how could a
decade that was graced not only by Orange Juice, but also Felt have
<nothing of any real cultural significance yelling> at you. Isn't that
enough. And besides, seeing the one who writes the majority of the lyrics
for our favorite band spent the majority of his impressionable years in
the 80's, it might be worth your while to take a closer look.

sorry so long, but its 10 years were talking about here.

love
Carrick

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From gleng at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 06:50:29 1998
From: gleng at xxx.com (gordon glen)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 13:50:29 +0800
Subject: Sinister: Holiday time - please unsubscribe
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Thursday 9th July

Please Please unsubscribe us until 1st August.  We are off on holiday to
Australia, take good care of yourselves until we return.  Cheers

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From conform at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 07:12:24 1998
From: conform at xxx.com (Seamus Campbell)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:12:24 -0700
Subject: Sinister: friend visiting scotland, london, please help.
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A close friend of mine is going to be in London for a few days and
Scotland for a while next month and has enlisted my help in trying to
find some people to stay with for short bursts (1-2 days at a time).  if
anyonf on London or Edinburgh or Glasgow is feeling hospitable these
days and would like to help out a nice American (who will otherwise be
staying in hostels) write me and I'll put you in touch.  
 
   Seamus
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From cja1000 at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  9 09:36:03 1998
From: cja1000 at xxx.uk (Chris)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:36:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Meet Mike, he swims like a fish
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On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Perfection As A Hipster wrote:

> Personally I'd like to read more critical thoughts on this mailing list,
> even better when they prevent the unnorthy kids from making a minor
> investment for a piece of plastic which may (or may not) cause
> dissapointment ...

What does this mean?

C.

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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 10:32:14 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:32:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: B&S for Baltimore  / B&S nightmare / Chris Geddes
Message-ID: <19980709093214.2184.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>


>And Baltimore just oozes with character, unless you wander into
>the baseball stadium which I felt looked rather contrived. There's the
>whole Edgar Allen Poe connection as well. And then there's Tim Hardin's
>Lady Came From Baltimore. A nice tune for B&S to cover. 

Yes, or there's Nina Simone's incomparable 'Baltimore' , which with
its dreamy reggae beat would prove an ideal cover to further Belle and
Sebastian's fan-baiting eclecticism.  Despite living 5000 miles away,
I like this campaign to make them play in Baltimore.  Bewilder them
with its sheer arbitrariness.  But we need some kind of focus for our
protest.  Perhaps we should boycott the new album until they cave in?  

Anyway, Tag was being unfair with all that
line-them-up-against-the-wall stuff.  I think there's a certain amount
of insecurity doing the rounds about only liking guitar-based indie
music.  Whereas to be exclusively into, for example, straight down the
line reggae, is seen as fine and cool.  It's like in 'The Jerk' when
Steve Martin turns the cliche on its head by experiencing a spiritual
awakening on hearing some naff easy listening played on the radio
after growing up only hearing soul.  Sorry, I seem to have turned this
into some kind of racial issue, which I'm sure is not what Tag meant.
I'll shut up.

I had a B&S nightmare last night.  I dreamed I joined in a thread
about favourite books by opting for 'The Black Prince' bt Iris
Murdoch, and was flamed by a Cambridge student for making such an
appalling choice.  It was quite distressing.

Umm.. does anyone know where Chris Geddes grew up?  I was listening to
a tape of him on 'Beat Patrol' interview last night and realised that
he has a really odd accent - a sort of mix of Glasgow and London.  Is
there a region of Scotland that was invaded by Walthamstow in the the
18th Century or something and still bears the scars?  Or am I just a
clueless fuckwit?

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From Mark at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 11:57:11 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:57:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Plural?
Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E220F8F4E@server1.HITEntertainment.com>


Brian wrote:

yay!!! 
got my looper singles in the mail today... 
haven't listened to 'em yet because i'm at work. 
but they look really nice :) 

How many Looper singles have you got? Are you about to flog them
mercilessly to sad B&S fans who managed to miss out, charging hugely
over the odds because in their devotion they'll do anything to get hold
of a copy? It's the twee indie equivalent of all those French peasants
who are now able to retire on the proceeds of the 13,000 World Cup
tickets they sold at huge profit to the British yobbos. Revenge! :)

Biondino, warrior of the little people
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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  9 10:53:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:53:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Free design
Message-ID: <8DE80330016A1600@c2gate.tcom.co.uk>


Jose

The compilation album "Songs for the Jet Set" that was put together
by (repeatedly bankrupt indie label mogul) Mike Alway a short while ago
features a rather jolly tune called "Kites are fun" in which a band by
the name of "Tomorrows World" tell us how much they like flying kites.

Might this be a cover version of your favourite Free Design tune?

I think I may have to thank you for finding me something else to buy
whilst I wait for beautiful Japanese pop to circumnavigate the globe
and arrive in brown paper packaging at my door.  Any recommendations
as to which Free Design record is the best to start with?

Kevan

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From itstrue at xxx.net  Thu Jul  9 13:56:05 1998
From: itstrue at xxx.net (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:56:05 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Everybody is happy, they are glad that they came
Message-ID: <35A4BDE6.798C@earthlink.net>


I meant to say this a few days ago, but it's good to see a mention or
two of Rufus Wainwright.  This is definitely a record that B&S fans
should check out.  It's pretty show-tuney, but that man has a voice that
would stop time.  And his sister's voice is even lovelier.  

The early 80's were the last time for great music on the top 40.  I
don't necessarily expect Jon to understand it (and I don't mean that as
an insult at all).  I just think that it makes a huge difference to have
been a radio-listening junior high kid, taping Casey Kasem and waiting
to find out what the new number one was (back in the days before a song
could hold the #1 spot for 3 months, like it is now).  But it's more
that just nostalia...back in the heady days of 1992-3, I started
co-hosting an early-80's show at my college radio station, and I
realized just how *good* so many of the songs were.  Sure there were
some unbelieveably bad songs.  But you have to push those aside...The
'90's will be the same way.  Sure, there's been some absolute crap, but
there's been some amazing songs, too.  And when the opening bit of
"Loser" cranks out of the speakers at the '90's dances in ten years, the
place'll go nuts.  

> ps as for B&S content, can we request where B&S will perform in the US?
> Can I indulge in a large whisper and say Baltimore is the place to be??

Oh, boo hoo!  You'll have to drive a whole HOUR to D.C.!  And I'm pretty
sure they won't skip our nations capital.  And I'll have to drive 5
hours to see the same show...unless they see it in their hearts to play
in Chapel Hill.  Yeah, I'm not holding my breath, either...

Does ANYONE know what happened to the Modern Rock Song EP?  Anyone?  Or
are you just ignoring me?

Had like poor Job in the Bible,
    Reid
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From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  9 14:03:21 1998
From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:03:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: B&S for Baltimore
Message-ID: <01bdab3a$08fa0da0$046b9ac2@g5-200-1>


>>And Baltimore just oozes with character, unless you wander into
>>the baseball stadium which I felt looked rather contrived. There's the
>>whole Edgar Allen Poe connection as well. And then there's Tim Hardin's
>>Lady Came From Baltimore. A nice tune for B&S to cover.
>
>Yes, or there's Nina Simone's incomparable 'Baltimore' , which with
>its dreamy reggae beat would prove an ideal cover to further Belle and
>Sebastian's fan-baiting eclecticism.

And we've yet to mention Randy Newman's paean to the city, the chorus of
which goes "oooh Baltimore / It's horrible....". Good Randy Newman feature
in this month's Uncut magazine, incidentally.

On the topic of songs about American towns, I met somebody from Wichita last
night, and she'd never heard of "Wichita Lineman"! What are the chances of
that happening, eh?

Trousers

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From cja1000 at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  9 14:14:41 1998
From: cja1000 at xxx.uk (Chris)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:14:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Everybody is happy, they are glad that they came
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> 
> I meant to say this a few days ago, but it's good to see a mention or
> two of Rufus Wainwright.  This is definitely a record that B&S fans
> should check out.  It's pretty show-tuney, but that man has a voice that
> would stop time.  And his sister's voice is even lovelier.  
> 
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Rufus Wainwright's voice
almost did stop time when I saw him, principally because it was so
bad. Martha's is much better.

Sorry for repeating myself, but somebody asked for more critical comment
and less Wahey!! The new record's coming! This is what you'll get...

C.

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From IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es  Thu Jul  9 14:31:54 1998
From: IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jose_Maria_Sag=FAillo_=28hijo=29?=)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:31:54 +0200 
Subject: Sinister: Free design
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Hi

you're right. "Kites are fun" from "songs from the jet set"CD is a
version from The Free Design. I think "bubbles" from Siesta Records is
the best starting point 'cos there's no  cd's or albums edited in Uk or
US. Only in japan and japanese records are too expensive for europeans.
Write to siesta records ( siesta at siesta.es) and ask for more
information. Siesta will release a new compilation from The Free Design
with covers from other artists.
 
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From IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es  Thu Jul  9 14:34:05 1998
From: IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jose_Maria_Sag=FAillo_=28hijo=29?=)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:34:05 +0200 
Subject: Sinister: POP from Japan
Message-ID: <E060C4F45DFAD111A77D00104B37187EA9EC@GESTAMP2>


Hi again Kevan

If you buy records from japan don't forget to buy any cd from a band
called "LES 5-4-3-2-1". they're ace.
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From rod at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 13:16:54 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:16:54 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: BUMS!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980709131625.1446B-100000@localhost>


I got a package from Sub Pop today.

A catalogue, invoice and sticker.

But no 7"

Aargh!

Rod.

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From keith at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  9 15:52:42 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:52:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
Message-ID: <01bdab49$3a6e9590$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


Roddney, this is just how I remember you, around about the time when I tried
to give you lines just outside the Science block. You were a cheeky little
bastard. I couldn't bring myself to do it in the end. Do you remember that?

http://www.begbie.com/rod/photos/teens3.jpg

The title of this email is just to help Peter catch up on "Arab Strap" which
is the second most popular mail title on the list.

Cheers,
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From Andreas.Hering at xxx.de  Thu Jul  9 17:02:44 1998
From: Andreas.Hering at xxx.de (Perfection As A Hipster)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:02:44 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Sinister: The boy who's always dancing
Message-ID: <199807091602.SAA27583@studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de>


Carrick C Bliss wrote ...

>On Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:24:42 +0100 "jon g." <jon.g at btinternet.com> writes:
>
>>but there seems to be nothing of any real cultural significance
>>yelling at me from the last decade, unlike the 60s and 70s, which are
>>screaming at me all day long.  All there seems to be is dodgy kiddy
>>casio keyboards and pop stars who don't write their own songs.  I know 
>>there musthave been more, but I can't see it.  Can anyone help?  Or I 
>>am I right?
>
>well, i waited a few days to see if anyone could help jon.g to appreciate
>years 80-89. I assumed there must be more informed people out there who
>could help out. But all we've seen is a short list of worthwhile bands
>and some rather distasteful reminders of 80's fashions. Unfortunately, I
>can only do this from American perspective. Things might have been
>different elsewhere. 

I'm convinced that nobody could possibly be interested in a German
perspective (including myself), but this mail reminded me that I compiled
two cassettes for my thirteen year old brother last year featuring a bunch
of P!O!P! tunes stemming from the years '80-'87. Starting off with "Tender
Object" by Orange Juice you'll find an excellent selection of absolute
classic P!O!P! masterpieces also paying homage to my liking for the London
Paisley Underground.

I wouldn't mind borrowing the "masters", interested youngsters could
establish a snail mail chain forwarding the cassettes to each other for
individual dubbings or someone might volunteer to make copies for other
listees provided s/he'll be reimbursed as regards the expenses. Besides, in
my humble opinion the last decade was the most enjoyable in terms of P!O!P!
music, closely followed by the Sixties.

Only a thought ... of course, Jon would be the first recipient of said
cassettes. §;^D

Please e-mail me privately in the case of your interest.

"From Art To Pop And Back Again"

Andreas

The rain it raineth on the just
And also on the unjust fella
But more upon the just because 
The unjust steals the just's umbrella

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From tonyk at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 17:42:51 1998
From: tonyk at xxx.com (Kiewel, Tony)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:42:51 -0700 
Subject: Sinister: lovely
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> I meant to say this a few days ago, but it's good to see a mention or
> two of Rufus Wainwright.  This is definitely a record that B&S fans
> should check out.  It's pretty show-tuney, but that man has a voice
> that
> would stop time.  And his sister's voice is even lovelier.  
> 
> 
> 
	I've been fortunate enough to see Rufus live a couple of times
(once with his sister) and he is absolutely charming. I'm not sure if
anyone has mentioned them here before, but I figure with everyone
rushing to the Sub Pop mail order catalog for Looper 7"'s now's the time
to bring up the Pernice Brothers. The band features several members of
the Lilys, but more importantly their album is amazingly lovely. Sweet
and heart felt from beginning to end. I would go so far as to say it's
probably my favorite album of 1998 so far (bearing in mind the new B&S
record isn't out yet!).

	-tonyk

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From seilsd at xxx.net  Thu Jul  9 18:04:09 1998
From: seilsd at xxx.net (Damon Seils)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 13:04:09 -0400
Subject: Sinister: lovely
References: <BBB30CC3B170D011BC1800A0C915F10DAC67D3@geffen-la.geffen.com>
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Kiewel, Tony wrote:
>
> I figure with everyone
> rushing to the Sub Pop mail order catalog for Looper 7"'s now's the time
> to bring up the Pernice Brothers.


I just bought the Pernice Brothers cd yesterday. I haven't had a chance
to listen too closely, but it sounds nice so far. Joe Pernice has got a
great voice.
--Damon--
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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 19:00:25 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:00:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 'romantic and square is hip and aware'
Message-ID: <E0yuL3Q-0004Wr-00@neodymium.btinternet.com>


northy wrote:
>I now have, Queen is Dead, Strangeways and Louder than Bombs
>What's next kids?

why, 'Meat is Murder', of course. 'tis truely fab, especially
'barbarism...' with the funky bass line. yum.

vicky wrote:
>I thought I should warn Sinister people of the hidden dangers of >keeping
goldfish.

i had goldfish once. when i got home from the supermarket with my mum, one
of them had committed suicide by jumping right out of the tank and onto the
kitchen floor. it was dead when i opened the door, not a nice experience
for an 8 year old, really.

adrian wrote:
>Many happy returns of the day to young Debbie me thinks.

yay! someone remembered! thank you kindly adrian, sweetie... and as for the
rest of you: HARRUMPH.

grrr,
debbie x


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From Ihamilt at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 19:15:23 1998
From: Ihamilt at xxx.com (Ihamilt at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:15:23 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Aesthetics versus Athletics
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And dont juut stop there. You MUST buy Vauxhall and I. which is Mozzers finest
hour. In fact, buy everything the Smiths and Moz have ever done, except Kill
Uncle which is guff.
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Jul  9 19:11:55 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:11:55 +0200
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
Message-ID: <01bdab65$0e46a7c0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


Oh dear, nerves are getting frayed and tempers are wearing flares! Time to
calm down, and what better way to calm down than with a smashing unofficial
Belle and Sebastian competition? But before that, just a quick answer to a
couple of points. First, lots of people on the list live about two days on
horseback from the nearest B&S fan, so I think they're entitled to express
their excitement about the new record on the list, even if it is a bit dull
for those of us who are terribly sophisticated and can keep our emotions in
check, like Kraftwerk. Secondly, any clique-ishness on the list is an
illusion. It's been said time and time again that anyone can join in, if
they want to, whether the subject is Free Design or Grand Prix motor racing
drivers' smoking habits. The picnics are open to everybody, just because
they are geographically inconvenient (to put it mildly) for some people,
myself included, doesn't mean anybody is unwelcome. Even educated fleas are
welcome. I have it on good authority that the Elephant Man has been invited
to the next London picnic, providing he promises to keep his bag on his head
and DOESN'T eat all the buns!

Now, the competition!

Some of you may have noticed that one or two people have accidentally let
slip that they have "heard" the new Belle and Sebastian "LP", provisionally
entitled "10 Roddington Place". This has sent some of us into paroxysms of
jealousy and rage, which was obviously not the intention of the people
concerned. I suspect that these loose talkers and squanderbugs are not the
only people who have heard the new LP, and some people are hiding their
P!O!P! light under a bushel. I'd like those people to spill the beans! So I
propose the great B&S Kudos Kompetition! Have you heard any songs from the
new album? If so, award yourself points in the following manner:

For each song you have heard in concert, award yourself ten points. Fifteen
if it was in Barcelona.

For each song you have recorded from a radio session, twenty points.

For each song you have on a mysteriously acquired tape of demos, thirty
points.

For each song you heard on Beat Patrol, no points. Unless you taped it, in
which case, five points.

If you have heard the new album on a CD-R, award yourself 100 points!

If you have heard the extra tracks that are not going to be on the album,
award yourself 25 points per track - double your score if you like them
better than the songs everybody else is going to be able to hear when the
album comes out.

Have you heard experimental mixes of the songs? 50 points each! Again,
double your score if they're better than the "real" ones.

Have you heard any songs that you just KNOW are about YOU!? 250 big ones!

Did you hear the album at Mick the Trumpet Player's house? You fortunate
fan! 500 points and a commemorative medal in a special box.

Perhaps you have only heard one song, but you heard it about 500 times, down
at the studio in fact, while it was being mixed for the eventual pleasure of
mere plebs. Unbelievable! ONE THOUSAND POINTS!

Scores are reduced by 20% each week as the official release date draws near.
For example, if you've heard the album on a Cd-R, you get a hundred points,
but if you haven't heard it yet, but you do hear it next week, you will only
get eighty points. So get sherlocking, big ears!

In the event of a tie-break, the winner will be the person who completes the
following sentence in the most apt and amusing way in no more than FOURTEEN
words:

Stuart Murdoch had to sell most of his record collection because.........

Employees of Jeepster Recordings are not allowed to play, unless they send
me an advance copy of the album.

Peter James Miller

"According to the postman,
It's like the bleeding Bank of England!
According to the postman,
It's like the bleeding Bank of England!"

My New House - The Fall

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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  9 20:02:20 1998
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:02:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy
In-Reply-To: <199807090027.CAA09632@studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de>
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Ahh, great subject lines from the past...

On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Perfection As A Hipster wrote:
> 
> Welly well, the above lines make me wonder whether the writer has even heard
> the Looper 7" himself (no, having heard the forthcoming B&S album would be
> cheating) ... seeing that the flipside entitled "Spaceboy Dream #3" is
> a(nother) version of "Spaceboy Dream #2" from the forthcoming album I'd
> humbly suggest that the considerations at issue are not necessarily
> unfounded, unless you view Belle And Sebastian as the sole baby of Stuart
> Murdoch ... keeping in mind former disgressions such as "Electronic
> Renaissance" or ear witnesses who mentioned <gasp> "clean" production.

Well unfortunately I can't claim to have heard the album, but like a lot
of people here I've already heard (and have tapes of) over half the songs
on the album, either on the radio sessions or at gigs. And no, they're not
about to reveal a new "techno" direction... Sure, the album will have
different song styles on it, otherwise it would get monotonous and dull
very quickly; why is that a problem?

You have to remember that we are all B&S fans, and we have all been
waiting for this album for a long time, so of course people are going to
get a bit excited about it. And we won't be disappointed... If indie
snobbery won't allow us to get enthusiastic now, can we turn the list into
a snob-free zone?

60 days and counting! (And only 53 days until the new Divine Comedy
album...)

See y'all on Saturday...
Stu G

PS I, too, think it would be a good idea for B&S to play Baltimore. Even
though I don't know where it is. Shall we start a petition?


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From seilsd at xxx.net  Thu Jul  9 20:22:40 1998
From: seilsd at xxx.net (Damon Seils)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 15:22:40 -0400
Subject: Sinister: baltimore
Message-ID: <35A51880.2FC9@earthlink.net>


okay
i'm all in favor of dear baltimore

but if the band play there
they'd better show their faces
in washington dc while they're at it

if only so that i can see them
both places


any thoughts about who should open for them?

-damon-
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From u01cjtc at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  9 20:49:40 1998
From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:49:40 +0100 (BST)
Subject: No subject
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looper song on john peel , now!



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From u01cjtc at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  9 20:56:00 1998
From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:56:00 +0100 (BST)
Subject: No subject
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I rather enjoyed that.
Electronic plinky ploppy music,yummy.



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From craftylo at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 16:21:20 1998
From: craftylo at xxx.com (Princess Rachel)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:21:20 -0400
Subject: Sinister: newt
Message-ID: <35A4DFF0.3E51@erols.com>


dear paul and assorted sinister people

sadly this note comes to you at a time where when i am greiving the loss
of several things...including several lovely water plants and 8 (yes 8)
tadpoles who obviously lived by the motto...live fast and die young
because those litttle fellers left beautiful little corpses with stumpy
little frog legs.  it is sad that they shall never have the chance to
hop and jump over the lily pads and eat their tails, which is i have
been told what tadpoles do in their final metamorphasis into frogs
(north american bullfrogs to be precise.)

i write with a heavy hand (due to my HUGE diamond that JJ gave to me as
a token of our love) and a heavier heart due to my small pets lost last
night to a savage raccoon who swam in our pond and ate the tadpoles.
(sob)  i am suggesting that you inform Linda of my loss and ask that she
name her fish after my tadpoles as a tribute to those 8 little lives
lost in the good fight!  with this i suggest the name *pollywog* which
instills both a certain cuteness and a soft lilt which i enjoy saying
quite often.

and you ask of newts...well they are lovely little creatures who do not
really enjoy wearing hats.  if you want a pet that would enjoy wearing a
hat i would suggest going to your local pet shop and purchasing
something of the monkey persuasion or a small chiuauha because at the
moment on american tv there is something of a chiuahua phemomenon with a
guatemalan guerilla freedom fighter chiuauah and apparently he wears the
hat quite happily AND eats tacos.  in addition you might find a more
affetionate pet in a monkey or a dog then in a newt (please note that
one should not put a monkey and a dog together as a dog-monkey fight
might ensue)

thanks for listening, still in mourning.
Rachel.
 
>

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From u01cjtc at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  9 21:13:45 1998
From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:13:45 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: What do they drink on the garvaghy road?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980709210831.732E-100000@sysa.abdn.ac.uk>


80s revival, alive and well and living in a church hall in glasgow.
As I read in the  nme ( wee letters) a few weeks ago," belle and sebastian
are nothing but a bunch of piss poor orange juice copyists"

I wonder what mr. collins thinks?

colin. 



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From u01cjtc at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  9 21:19:53 1998
From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:19:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: ...they said it.
In-Reply-To: <931ccb95.35a41870@aol.com>
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Sorry if I upset you, but I was just expressing my opinion.
I think some smiths s9ongs are great, but there is also a lot of crap
songs, far too many people deify the smiths and morrisey who is, in my
opinion, a twat, and not a good veggie either. I know someone who saw him
eat a full english breakfast!

Shop lifters of the world unite!

colin.



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From u01cjtc at xxx.uk  Thu Jul  9 21:20:58 1998
From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:20:58 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: ...they said it.
In-Reply-To: <931ccb95.35a41870@aol.com>
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oh yeh, and I whine a lot coz I can't get any.

colin.



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From tangent at xxx.net  Thu Jul  9 19:19:59 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 19:19:59 +0100
Subject: Sinister: plural looper
References: <3.0.3.32.19980708160320.006c1df0@pophost.wired.com>
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i too got my Looper singles this morning (one for me, one for the
duchess), handed to me as i stepped from the door on my way to school.
They sat safely in my filing cabinet all day until i just got home an
hour ago and i just played them (well i only played mine actually) and,
well, i really love it. It's strange, but the record really reminds me
of me, if that doesn't sound too conceited. It's like, well, it sounds
for all the world like a little segment of a Duke's Living Room set,
with some blips and slow beats and then some break beats and a spoken
word thing over the top. Stuart's stories, particularly Impossible
Things, are lovely understated pieces, and really remind me of the short
pieces we used to stick in the LR booklets, not that anyone read them,
but whatever. It's just weird is all... and really nice to feel that
maybe someone somewhere else has a similar sensibility or something.
Which of course is part of the magic of magical Pop. I also got the
Hefner LP yesterday but remain unsure on it. 'Love Will Destroy Us...'
is great, and there's an interesting New York Underground feel to it in
places... i mean, at times i'm thinking this is 77 Talking Heads, and
that's no bad thing. Playing it again right now hoping it will connect a
bit more.

keep the faith,

the duke


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From janine at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 22:54:39 1998
From: janine at xxx.com (Janine Papp)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:54:39 -0500
Subject: Sinister: my 2 cents on various nonsense
Message-ID: <v0311070ab1caeb254564@[192.168.9.14]>


fish:  I had a goldfish named Armando and he lived for 5 years.  oh yeah,
and my sister had a fish named Mr. Mo because he looked like he had a
mohawk.
newts:  my sister had one called Fig Newton and my dog ate him.  She now
wants to get another called Newt Gingrich.
B&S hipness test was hilarious.
Thank you thank you all nyc sinisterines who tried to come see my band play
last night, you're all dears.
Also I just discovered ICQ and it ROCKS!  Or would that be R!O!C!K! ?  you
can dowload it for free off the web and waste even more valuable time at
work (or home, I suppose, but if I'm home, I'd rather be sleeping.)  Anyway
you can send instant msgs. to people and it's great.
my friend today noted that a lot of britspeak has been permeating my speech
recently, I attribute this to sinister as I really have no other valid
reason.  Apparently I said "Cheers" "trainers" and "bloody" without even
realizing (realising?) it.  ha ha

Janine




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From ian at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 00:07:00 1998
From: ian at xxx.com (Ian Connelly)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:07:00 -0800
Subject: Sinister: carolyn black?
Message-ID: <v03007810b1cafbf7b001@[206.221.192.244]>


oddest of all possible questions involving fake-sherlock-holmes-talents.

i have another email address - it's dogonwheels at hotmail.com - apparently,
someone named carolyn black who lives in glasgow (right, i'll refrain
from giving her home address) has been ordering music from musicshop.co.uk -
and for some reason, they think her email address is dogonwheels at hotmail.com.

confusing?

does anyone know carolyn black of glasgow?

i just thought it was possible that she or someone who
knew her would be on this list....

ian connelly ---> in san francisco ca usa

ob-B&S --> anyone see b&s ranked up there (#37(?)) on the spin magazine
top 40? nice picture of mr. murdoch, but i don't think i'll believe
they care until he's on the cover...


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From rod at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 22:30:40 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:30:40 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
In-Reply-To: <01bdab49$3a6e9590$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>
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On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Keith Watson wrote:

> Roddney, this is just how I remember you, around about the time when I tried
> to give you lines just outside the Science block. You were a cheeky little
> bastard. I couldn't bring myself to do it in the end. Do you remember that?
> 
> http://www.begbie.com/rod/photos/teens3.jpg

I think you are *HUGELY* mistaken.

1)  I was never, ever, *EVER* even the faintest bit cheeky to prefects, as
    I recognised the fact that people two years older than me were *SO*
    much more mature, and therefore well deserving in the ability to hand
    out lines.

2)  I would never, ever, EVER, *EVER, (snip -Ed.) do anything in the first
    place which would warrant a sixth year to even consider giving me
    lines.

3)  I don't even remember that the first paragraph of the rulebook was "In
    your life and work at Dollar Academy, we ask you at all times to
    consider the feelings and interests of other people.  Good
    relationships are based on courtesy, on respect and on
    thoughtfulness."

In a fit of chutzpah-induced pettiness, I e-mailed the FP Newsletter last
week with this titbit: 

Upon completing his Computing Science degree at Heriot-Watt University,
Rod Begbie (F1-F5, 88-93) has accepted an invitation to work in Boston, MA
from one of BusinessWeek Magazine's "Top 10 Hot Growth Companies In
America".  He remains virtually contactable through http://www.begbie.com


Oh, hang on...  you didn't see me, I'm not subscribed, I know nothing
about any lingerie, and purple-wig-girl ain't my sister, or my girlfriend.

Rod.

                                    Rod Begbie @ http://www.begbie.com |
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From Stanleyboy at xxx.com  Thu Jul  9 23:53:45 1998
From: Stanleyboy at xxx.com (Stanleyboy at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:53:45 EDT
Subject: Sinister: 'The King' is scratching the sofa again!
Message-ID: <7d580ffb.35a549fb@aol.com>



Hey people.

While lounging around on this hot and clammy thursday evening, happily
listening to the excellent 'Lazy Line Painter Jane' EP, it occurred to me that
the track 'Century Of Elvis' could well be written about... a cat! Before you
all throw up your hands and shout "Oh... tish!" in unison, give me a chance to
explain. Even though Mr Presley himself had no known connection with any
feline through his pill popping and hamburger munchin' career, it is intirely
possible that he could have been re-incarnated as a moggy in up in high bonny
Scotland! The lyrics contain the such references to this as Elvis "Thinking
about getting in the postman's van..." or "Licking the pavement..." and
"Waiting to be let in...". Even "Playing with is collar a bit..." is
plausable. Anyway... has anyone else got any 'famous people back as household
pets' theories?

PS. Linda should call the fish 'Labella'. Not only is it Italian for 'the
beautiful' but it's  also the name of my current recording project, so it'll
be a dedication if nothing else!

An unhinged newbie to the list.

-Paul-

Stanleyboy at aol.com
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From suzsch at xxx.net  Fri Jul 10 00:00:21 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:00:21 -0500
Subject: Sinister: voodoo
Message-ID: <199807092257.RAA14617@smtp2.mailsrvcs.net>


> For each song you have on a mysteriously acquired tape of demos, thirty
> points.

Where can I mysteriously acquire a demo?

> Have you heard any songs that you just KNOW are about YOU!? 250 big ones!

how about an extra 500 if you are not under chemical treatments?
 
> Stuart Murdoch had to sell most of his record collection because.........

It was either that or strip?


> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:02:20 +0100 (BST)
> From: Stuart Gardiner <skg21 at xxx.uk>
> Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy

> 
> Well unfortunately I can't claim to have heard the album, but like a lot
> of people here I've already heard (and have tapes of) over half the songs
> on the album, either on the radio sessions or at gigs. And no, they're
not
> about to reveal a new "techno" direction... Sure, the album will have
> different song styles on it, otherwise it would get monotonous and dull
> very quickly; why is that a problem?

Yeah!  No more!

Although techno is not entirely scary if done the right way.  For example,
a friend of mine in a death metal band which lacks a percusionist and uses
a drum machine told of an amusing incident when they were playing a gig and
the machine wasn't hooked up properly to the output speakers made an
interesting Nintendo/Pong sound over their music. 

Plink! Plink Plink! Over deathmetal.  

> PS I, too, think it would be a good idea for B&S to play Baltimore. Even
> though I don't know where it is. Shall we start a petition?


How about in the exact center of the country therefore nobody is
discriminated against?

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From Andreas.Hering at xxx.de  Fri Jul 10 00:16:30 1998
From: Andreas.Hering at xxx.de (Perfection As A Hipster)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:16:30 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy
Message-ID: <199807092316.BAA27632@studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de>


A couple of misapprehensions ... 

Stuart Gardiner replied ...

>Well unfortunately I can't claim to have heard the album, but like a lot
>of people here I've already heard (and have tapes of) over half the songs
>on the album, either on the radio sessions or at gigs. 

Same here as regards the radio sessions ... it may be the infamous language
barrier on my behalf, but possibly some of you should pay closer attention
to the terminology employed. The bottom line of my original message was that
everyone is entitled to share their opinions ("not necessarily unfounded"),
especially when providing for some decent B&S content ... one self-assertive
fellow listee seemed it more appropriate to slander such thoughts, though.
Actually I'm quite fond of "Electronic Renaissance" ... furthermore, I'm
convinced that the forthcoming B&S album will take the world by storm,
although I might have problems with the "clean" production ... I'm one sad
purist, y'know. Besides, the original Looper 7" review was the most
interesting message in a very long time ...

The most entertaining message in a very long time was written by one PJ
Miller, though.

>Belle and Sebastian competition

Pretty funny indeed ...

>But before that, just a quick answer to a
>couple of points. First, lots of people on the list live about two days on
>horseback from the nearest B&S fan, so I think they're entitled to express
>their excitement about the new record on the list, even if it is a bit dull
>for those of us who are terribly sophisticated and can keep our emotions in
>check, like Kraftwerk. 

Kraftwerk were German, weren't they ? §;^D

Of course everyone is entitled to express their excitement, be it on the
list or in a public toilet ... as stated originally, I still reserve the
right to be indifferent regarding such mails, which doesn't necessarily mean
that I'm less excited. Two days on horseback ... that's funny.

>Secondly, any clique-ishness on the list is an
>illusion. It's been said time and time again that anyone can join in, if
>they want to, whether the subject is Free Design or Grand Prix motor racing
>drivers' smoking habits. 

My original message was addressed to one prominent fellow listee who found
it terribly alarming that another less prominent fellow listee expressed
humble opinions about a possible change of direction. You're 
one loyal bunch seeing that no-one commented on the stepping stone, but
several listees pick up on the relatively mild reply.

"Funny Old World" (Buba & The Shop Assistants)

Andreas

The rain it raineth on the just
And also on the unjust fella
But more upon the just because 
The unjust steals the just's umbrella

(Charles Baron Bowen)

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From gprickma at xxx.edu  Fri Jul 10 00:29:27 1998
From: gprickma at xxx.edu (Gregory John Prickman)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:29:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Sessions help
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I wouldn't bore the list with this if I hadn't tried elsewhere to no
avail, but the talk of the new B & S album has finally spurred me to
action...I need all of those wonderful new songs that everyone else has
heard from the sessions, everything *after* the session with "Modern Rock
Song". Is there some kind soul out there who could make me a tape, in
return for the normal good graces of tape trading? I'm also interested in
the recent Mogwai sessions and the Electric Sound of Joy Peel session
from a few weeks back, if anyone bothered to tape it. An off-list reply
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Greg


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From swanarama at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 01:28:11 1998
From: swanarama at xxx.com (Manda Bergman)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 17:28:11 PDT
Subject: Sinister: is something different about (t)his Rod?
Message-ID: <19980710002811.7635.qmail@hotmail.com>


begbie has gone and used "chutzpah" in a post. could it be that he is 
one of us, the Chosen People? maybe we should ask keith for details, as 
he's been inside rrrrrod's pants and should be able to, erm, tell 
definitively, right? or was that pedro miller? i keep getting confused. 
or maybe it's just a weird scottish/yiddish overlap, as i heard my 
grandmothers both say "pish" ages before i heard it from stuart david.

well, in other news, my sister is in london at the moment and will be 
attending the social tomorrow evening, so if any of you are there and 
see/hear a couple of americans chatting madly and getting obscenely 
drunk, they're most likely my sister and her friend. and if you do see 
her, make sure to embarrass her by asking about how she had to have the 
combination lock sawed off her luggage by a locksmith in paris earlier 
this week. :)

and looper...i have the single as well (though i am sans turntable at 
the moment) and heard it for the first time when my friend played it on 
his radio show on monday. it truly r!u!l!e!s! and is ace, class, top 
class, and every other exemplary phrase you can think of. if anyone in 
the UK (or elsewhere) wants a copy, i ordered one extra and will send it 
to you if you'd like. email me privately and we can arrange a trade of 
some sort. 

and now to join everyone else in counting down to the release date of 
the new b&s album, and the start of the tour...

ah, never mind, my math is crap anyway. someone else do the counting. 
i'll just wait and start bugging people at work about promotional 
copies. :)

take care,
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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 01:37:25 1998
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:37:25 EDT
Subject: Sinister: tadpoles, chihuahuas & newts
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In a message dated 98-07-09 16:03:17 EDT, you write:

> or a small chiuauha because at the
>  moment on american tv there is something of a chiuahua phemomenon with a
>  guatemalan guerilla freedom fighter chiuauah and apparently he wears the
>  hat quite happily 

I find chihuahuas pretty awful little yappy nasty things, and often long to
drop-kick them, but!  Each year on Cinco de Mayo, a radio station in New
Haven, CT broadcasts from a Mexican restaurant ... free margueritas and
such... BUT, they put out a call for people who own chihuahuas to bring them
down, and they hold a Chihauhua Stampede!! through the restaurant.  They put
little sombreros on them and just turn them loose -- maybe after a taco or a
monkey or something.   God, someday I am definitely going to go to that... it
sounds so great on the radio and I suspect it would be incredibly fun to be
there -- especially after drinking a lot of margueritas at 8 in the morning.

Sorry about your  tadpoles, Racheeee -- that's so sad.  When I was little I
had some in a fishbowl, and was watching them grow (science in the home and
all that). They were just getting their little legs when, in a burst of love
and caring, I fed them LOTS of extra food, thinking it would make them grow
big and strong.  They ate every bit, and then died of it, putting me into a
fit of guilt and sorrow.  Gosh, I still feel bad right now thinking about
it...  So, all you aquatic life owners -- when it comes to feeding, less is
definitely more.  

But, newts in hats!  Newts in hammocks with tropical drinks!  Newts in little
newt communities, with houses and  playgrounds!  It boggles the mind...


--michele/simone
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From TWidmer at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 01:04:19 1998
From: TWidmer at xxx.com (Tara Widmer)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:04:19 -0700
Subject: Sinister: RE: baltimore
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<<any thoughts about who should open for them?>>

Liz Phair, because:
She is (was?) also on Matador;
Her live gigs have also been described as a "shambles";
She also has a new album coming out soon.

Also because I would like to see her.  Not that I would get to anyway.
Cos B&S aren't touring the West Coast.  

And to add my tuppence, the 80s revival is okay with me as long as they
NEVER, EVER, EVER!!! bring back acid-washed denim.  What I'm finding
stranger than the 80s thing, is seeing all these commercials for "sounds
of the 90s" compilations. So all of a sudden, like,"Rico Suave" is a
time-honored classic? 

well bye for now,
T.
reprazentin' south-side 'frisco



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From el0007 at xxx.edu  Fri Jul 10 04:05:30 1998
From: el0007 at xxx.edu (Erin Lewis)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 20:05:30 -0700
Subject: Sinister: tape trees and summer breeze (s)
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From carrick44 at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 06:18:18 1998
From: carrick44 at xxx.com (Carrick C Blair)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:18:18 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Shoot First Ask Questions Later
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Somebody named Robert said...
> It helped me get over the extraordinary "breakbeat"
>incident of the day before.  

Well finally I was responsible for an "incident". An extraordinary one at
that.
Sorry, I was overstating things bit on my review of Looper. But I figured
most of you regularly read MM and NME and therefore used to people
overstating things.
I gave the single a few more hard listens, and well, it still sucks. No,
I'm sorry, I'm doing it again.

Its merely OK. That's it. That's why I'm disappointed. That's why I was
wringing my hands. It was, well a nice base line there, a nice trumpet
blast there(or was the nice trumpet blast on the flip side?), a sort of
nice groove going on here, and a nice story, (yet discussing a similar
relationship development to the one discussed in Century of Elvis), and
wait a minute, why is it getting all fast, and its slow again and its
over. Where was the song? Okay when I want sheer brilliance.

>that it might be...different

That's the reason I fell in love with the Belle & Sebastian in the first
place. They were different. And they were taking chances. I guess the new
album going's to be a Revolver as opposed to a Rubber Soul. I just hope
they use the breakbeats more effectively on the album.
 
I still say lowfi breakbeats is a musical dead end. But then again I
sitting here listening to Four-Calendar Cafe, and enjoying it, even
though most people think it the worst Cocteau Twins LP ever. So what do I
know. 

>I'm not a violent man, but come the revolution all purists will be stood
up against a >wall and shot.

I could take that personally, my people have a history of being lined up
against walls and shot. All by well-meaning folks, mind you.

And I like this bit....

>Yes, or there's Nina Simone's incomparable 'Baltimore' , which with
>its dreamy reggae beat would prove an ideal cover to further Belle and
>Sebastian's fan-baiting eclecticism.

Sounds lot better than my choice. Yet with all this eclecticism talk,
don't you think its odd that B&S chooses to cover somewhat obvious songs.
The Smiths, Orange Juice, Velvet Underground, Left Banke? Of course the
idea of them doing these songs makes me go weak-at-the-knees, esp.
Isobelle singing, "In A Nutshell" was it?
Lovely.

Love
Carrick The Not-So-Pure

PS Since there's a few of you are old time pop fans, and old time Scots,
I bought the Suede Crocodiles single today for 5$. Too much? Too little?

And after Baltimore, how about Providence? Lots of old warehouses and
houses with vinyl siding. And the pizza there has really thin crust. 







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From suzsch at xxx.net  Fri Jul 10 07:45:04 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:45:04 -0500
Subject: Sinister: What'd I miss?
Message-ID: <199807100641.BAA06820@smtp1.mailsrvcs.net>


Scrolling through a pile of old sinister digests uncovered somewhere
beneath the Dead Sea Scrolls and an old pair of underwear, I noticed that
people were mentioning tours and stuff.  Silly me erased the originial
digest it was listed in due to my bad humor from moving to a new apartment
and working nearly 50 hours that week.

Who and where and what is everyone wearing so we don't all dress alike?

s.s.
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From jon.g at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 09:10:53 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:10:53 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Meet Mike, he swims like a fish
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-----Original Message-----
From: Perfection As A Hipster <Andreas.Hering at xxx.de>
To: sinister at majordomo.net <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 09 July 1998 01:32
Subject: Re: Sinister: Meet Mike, he swims like a fish

>Personally I'd like to read more critical thoughts on this mailing list,
>even better when they prevent the unnorthy kids from making a minor
>investment for a piece of plastic which may (or may not) cause
>dissapointment ...

Arg!  I can't be critical of them.  They're wonderful.  I'm obsessed.

B&S are just soooooooooooooooooo gorgeous I cannot find it in my heart to be
critical of them - it would make me feel like I was being nasty to them.

I can't do it.


Anyway, we can't have an 80s revival yet - we're only 8 years away from the
end and having one now would is dangerous - people are still to connected
with their decade to live it again in a cheap schoolgirl-it's-the-latest
craze fashion.  I can't cope with the 80s.  They scare me.

Carrick C Blair said:
>And really jon g, for any avid fan of Belle & Sebastian, how could a
>decade that was graced not only by Orange Juice, but also Felt have
><nothing of any real cultural significance yelling> at you. Isn't that
>enough. And besides, seeing the one who writes the majority of the lyrics
>for our favorite band spent the majority of his impressionable years in
>the 80's, it might be worth your while to take a closer look.

Ok, they probably would be.  I'm really scared now.  I wasn't killing the
80s off, I just meant that they don't mean anything to little me.

Perfection as a Hipster said:
>I wouldn't mind borrowing the "masters", interested youngsters could
>establish a snail mail chain forwarding the cassettes to each other for
>individual dubbings or someone might volunteer to make copies for other
>listees provided s/he'll be reimbursed as regards the expenses. Besides, in
>my humble opinion the last decade was the most enjoyable in terms of P!O!P!
>music, closely followed by the Sixties.
>Only a thought ... of course, Jon would be the first recipient of said
>cassettes. §;^D

That's a nice idea, but a bit of a hassle, non?

I have a good idea.  I'm going into town at precisely 13:00 hours today.  At
12:50 I will check my email you can all send me your suggestions for one 80s
record that I *have* to own.  The one I'm most convinced by, I will buy.
Oh, and nothing too, you know.

There.  Get writing.  Upon noone writing, I shall buy somthing of my own
choice, most probably from the late 60s/early 70s.

Oooh.  Isn't Erin's tape tree idea rather good?

Right, I'm off to play with the hoover (vacuum cleaner).

love
a very tired jon g.
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From rod at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 01:22:41 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:22:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
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On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Rod Begbie wrote:

> Oh, hang on...  you didn't see me, I'm not subscribed

Aw, I didn't send that to the list, did I?

<slaps forehead>

Rod.

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From Mark at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 10:30:47 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:30:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Jon G is an inspiration
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Okay - my morning grogginess has been well and truly cast asunder (what
does that actually mean?) and my brain is racing while I try to think of
just the bestest eighties record for Jon to buy. Obviously I'll lose, as
I wasn't really into music in the 80s (I was only 15 in '89, and then my
life was saved by The Cowboy Junkies "Trinity Session" - in fact, that's
a pretty darn good recommendation if it did come out before 1/1/90),
which means that everything I recommend will be commercial pap or dead
well known anyway.

This fact is illustrated by the fact that the last record I bought, on
Wednesday (and it was a record, unusually for me now that I've been
seduced by the CD), was "Lovely" by the Primitives, which has the
awesome "Stop Killing Me" and "Thru the Flowers" on it, not to mention
the no. 5 in th'Hit Parade smash "Crash"! I was so into this in 1990,
and I still love its Voice of the Beehive-inspiring P!O!P! (never used
that before - there seem to be regulations governing its use, so I hope
I got it right).

I'll stop wittering now and email jon g privately with my more
considered suggestions - but in the meantime, can I ask if anyone knows
anything about an Antipodean combo called Look Blue Go Purple, whose
fine, fine "Cactus Cat" single is my only link to them, and that's just
on a compilation. Which reminds me, if there are people on this list who
might appreciate what is really a very obvious record collection, I'm
bang up for the compilation tape tree thing - How does side one of
Helium, Stereolab, Kate Bush (natch), Colm, Huggy Bear, th'Faith
Healers, Kenickie, Scott 4, Yo La Tengo and Sash! sound?

Oh yes - and one more final thing. John Kennedy on XFM played
religiously, about 2-3 months ago, an instrumental tune, about 8 minutes
long, by someone I _think_ was called Skyway. It was very mellow, pretty
obvious, but I really liked it. Can anyone enlighten me? A private
email'd be cool. Ta! 
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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 09:36:22 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:36:22 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
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>i too got my Looper singles this morning (one for me, one for the
>duchess), handed to me as i stepped from the door on my way to school.
>They sat safely in my filing cabinet all day until i just got home an
>hour ago and i just played them (well i only played mine actually) and,
>well, i really love it. It's strange, but the record really reminds me
>of me, if that doesn't sound too conceited. It's like, well, it sounds
>for all the world like a little segment of a Duke's Living Room set,

This is a worrying development Duke, could it be possible that Stuart David
perhaps went to your dining room in the early sixties and heard you doing
it, perhaps taping it with his portable DAT player? I'd get on to your
lawyers.

>1)  I was never, ever, *EVER* even the faintest bit cheeky to prefects, as
 >   I recognised the fact that people two years older than me were *SO*
>    much more mature, and therefore well deserving in the ability to hand
>    out lines.

Roddddney - you were a cheeky little bastard, as I said, you were very rude
and you're very lucky we didn't give you a bogwash, or a wedgy or something.

>There were about 20 people in a given tape-trading group.  The only rules
were
>that you weren't allowed to put any TCS songs on the tape,

Erin, first of all it's a bit worrying that you were scared until it felt
"safe", I shouldn't worry about that, fire away, it's all a good laugh. In
any case the taping idea is cool, we should do it - and remember folks - no
Trash Can Sinatras songs on our tapes. Hehe only joking. I do think it's a
good idea though. Paul, perhaps we should maintain on the web page a list of
telephone numbers and addresses and stuff - I know you're busy at the moment
but I'll help you knock it up if you like some time.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From P.D.Thornton at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 10:53:00 1998
From: P.D.Thornton at xxx.uk (Thornton, Paul D         [LSS])
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:53:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Float My Boat
Message-ID: <E0yua4R-0005Fb-00@jaffle.lmu.ac.uk>


Seen NME.Com this morning? Details of the new album, plus-
	"In Britain, the band are planning to play all dates on boats,
although no final details or venues
                  have been confirmed."
I guess a concert in Leeds might prove tricky.

A request to any New York based listees. I'm in NYC from 20.7 - 27.7.98
(sorry, 7.20 - 7.27 for you lot).
Anything I should check out?

Anyone else scared by the single guitar stab after the violin bit at the
end of Mogwai's "Xmas Steps"?
Gets me every time.

Paul
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From t.hopkins at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 11:05:30 1998
From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins, Tim)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:05:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The boy who's always dancing
Message-ID: <B6D728CB9D16D21196A40020480839BE1CF1C5@exchange1.lancs.ac.uk>


Carrick wrote

> The 80's were a decade quite close to my heart.  One beautiful thing
> about it was how easy it was to be different. Button the top button of
> your shirt you were branded a freak worthy of a serious thrashing.
	<snip>
> But as you look through
> the pages you'd always see a few rather peculiar looking kids with quotes
> underneath from Jonathan Richman or the Smiths. It was us vs. them.
> 
It was ALWAYS us v them. Us v them is the nature of pop music. Us v them is the nature of
growing up and becoming yourself...it's as much a process of exclusion as it is a process of
inclusion. It's not necessarily nice, but it is important, to P!O!P! at least. It's petty and
it's crass and it's P!O!P!

> But American music was thriving in the 80's. It was just not being talked
> about. Mission of Burma, Pylon, REM, Dream Syndicate, Minutemen, Husker
> Du, The Replacements. Bands you could believe in. 
> 
Funny how whoi is us and who is them become blurry though, isn't it? If you'd have pitched up
round my way in the 1980s with your talk of the Dream Syndicate and Husker Du, you'd have been
met with howls of derision, asked why you had bought into Classic Rock so soon, and then
probably been bought a pint of opaque cider. You would then have tried to justify your musical
taste to young men who were utterly unwilling to listen to your point of view, and who had
already decided that you were a P!O!P! traitor. It was us v them, you see.

Now...who cares? But I'd put my shirt (and today it's my vintage Pharcyde t-shirt, of which I'm
very proud, so this is no empty boast) that in schools and underage drinking dens around the
world, it's still very much us v them.

Of course I might be wrong. But since I'm old, I'm automaticallty THEM anyway. So I'm not
supposed to know who is us and who is them. The lines are invisible to me.

Oooh, time for my bed bath

tim
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From jon.g at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 12:55:08 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:55:08 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Records & Glasgow
Message-ID: <01bdabf9$95e10380$LocalHost@dell>


Right, I've written all your recommendations down and I'll decide in town,
depending upon which are available and how excititing they look.  I'll
report later.  Thanks for your recommendations.

Anyway, I'm going to Glasgow tomorrow, till Wednesday.  Next question:
Places to go and things to do?

Bye
jon g.
jon.g at btinternet.com - http://surf.to/jongandbethey
birthday: 18th july

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From uczcvap at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 14:51:05 1998
From: uczcvap at xxx.uk (Vicky Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:51:05 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Picnic - need some info now, please
Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980710135105.1b7708dc@pop-server.bcc.ac.uk>


Is the London picnic still on? I see no-one bothered to put it on the
picnic calendar, getting a bit slack aren't we?!

Having never had the good fortune to attend one of thses momentous events
could someone kindly tell me how to get to the hallowed ground in case I
fail to see you outside Camden Tube (rather unlikely though) or I'm late
(infinetely more possible, but that's because of my friend, must tell her
to meet me at 1pm)

It would be nice to hear from someone soon, before I trawl the charity
shops looking for an amazing game that still has all the necessary bits and
pieces. (why did i leave my Twister at my parents house?)

This tape thing, is it going to happen? I think it is the most brilliant
idea, and has anyone started planning anything? Won't it be cool, in 10-20
yrs time when we can go to a virtual music store and get a handpicked cd
with all those tracks you've always wanted and none of the rubbish? But
then I suppose if you had a cd recorder thingie and a mate with a very
large music collection it would be cheaper and probably a lot more fun.
Isn't technology wonderful?

I think I am turning into a frightening preachering type, evangelising to
everyone how brilliant B & S are, dominating the stereo in the lounge,
playing Tigermilk and IYFS none stop. My flatmates now love them, but I am
a little scared it's through brainwashing and not free will. Does it make a
difference?

Vic 

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From Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 14:14:49 1998
From: Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk (Huw Jenkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:14:49 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Picnics and more info..
Message-ID: <61D51AF2F749D11196EA00805F387D440487E2@RMF1>


Vicky Parkinson wrote:

>Is the London picnic still on? I see no-one bothered to put it on the
>picnic calendar, getting a bit slack aren't we?!

>Having never had the good fortune to attend one of thses momentous
events
>could someone kindly tell me how to get to the hallowed ground in case
I
>fail to see you outside Camden Tube .....

Yeah, me too.  I think that'd I'd like to come this time as well now
that the hayfever season is settling I can be at ease out in the open
without itchy eyes or a runny nose.  Ahh bliss.  What happens if it
rains, as it's meant to?

I've decided to leave my job this afternoon, I feel that it's only a
matter of time before I get the sack for poor punctuality, for which I
have no excuse but I'd like to blame it on the snooze button on my alarm
clock.

Ichy da,
Huw



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From rob.dawson at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 14:21:40 1998
From: rob.dawson at xxx.uk (rob.dawson)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 14:21:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Snooze buttons & picnic.
Message-ID: <980710142140.702@mserv.res.bbsrc.ac.uk.0>


Hiya, so the picnic is still on then?

And as for snooze buttons, who the hell invented those?  I get up about an hour
and a half late every morning after pressing that bloody thing about ten times!

Why do I do it?

Rob D
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From honey at xxx.net  Fri Jul 10 14:22:33 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:22:33 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Float My Boat
In-Reply-To: <E0yua4R-0005Fb-00@jaffle.lmu.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980710141111.4682B-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Thornton, Paul D         [LSS] wrote:

> Seen NME.Com this morning? Details of the new album, plus-
> 	"In Britain, the band are planning to play all dates on boats,
> although no final details or venues
>                   have been confirmed."

Oh dear - the words "cat" and "bag" spring to mind.  Anyway the
article is full of the usual half-truths - is Karn in B&S?  Staggering
multimedia type she is, I think not.  Oh well - is anyone from NME on
the list please?  Your punishment is to write out the Encyclopedia
Brittanica's entry on newts thirty times and send it to me.

Erin's tape swap idea is fab - everyone seems to agree.  I have a
problem as I'm allergic to stamps, as many people on the list will
know (sackcloth and ashes here) but I still think it's great.  Not
sure about people's addresses on the WWW Keith but yeah I could make
them available via the lists's file server if email wasn't enough.
It's a bit like my CD swap idea, which I think Stuart David nicked
off me, sorry, joke!, but that not that many people seemed keen on -
it *was* impractical so well done all of you for spotting that and
letting me down gently :)

But I *am* dead busy so - Erin if you and/or Keith want to organise
it then count me in for making information available but probably not
the organisation just now.

To Stanleyboy - the nature of Stuart's Elvis was actually a founding
block on which this list was built, sadly enough, and the cat theory
holds sway I think, but it was finally concluded when someone
suggested Elvis was a stick of broccoli - pretty conclusive I think.
The archives tell the sorry tale.  But to repeat Peter Miller's
ardent assertion about this list though, before he went mad, this
list is for *everyone* and not just the old guard or people who have
a pair of Chris Geddes underpants framed on their walls.  Besides,
they got ruined in the wash.

honey xxx

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From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 14:21:24 1998
From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:21:24 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Picnics and more info..
Message-ID: <01bdac05$a2f4ad40$046b9ac2@g5-200-1>


>Vicky Parkinson wrote:
>
>>Is the London picnic still on? I see no-one bothered to put it on the
>>picnic calendar, getting a bit slack aren't we?!
>
>>Having never had the good fortune to attend one of thses momentous
>events
>>could someone kindly tell me how to get to the hallowed ground in case
>I
>>fail to see you outside Camden Tube .....
>
>Yeah, me too.  I think that'd I'd like to come this time as well now
>that the hayfever season is settling I can be at ease out in the open
>without itchy eyes or a runny nose.  Ahh bliss.  What happens if it
>rains, as it's meant to?
>
Yes, the picnic is on this Saturday, meeting at Camden tube at 2pm, and then
on to Primrose Hill. We usually go to the top of the hill, if you don't meet
us at the Station. If it rains we'll go down the boozer (probably the Spread
Eagle). Also, the Social is on tonight at the Poetry Caff on Betterton
Street in Covent Garden from 7.30pm if anyone fancies coming along.

Trousers


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From shop at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 14:30:37 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:30:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Picnics and more info..
References: <61D51AF2F749D11196EA00805F387D440487E2@RMF1>
Message-ID: <35A6177D.F7370A42@jeepster.co.uk>


ok, i'm sorry for being slack, but i'm busy right?
well, whatever, sorry for the delay in all this info, below you'll find an amended version of the
text from picnics page that has ben bought up to date.

thanks for reminding me about it - i'd forgotten to post because of the mess on my desk.

--

Huw Jenkins wrote:
> 
> Vicky Parkinson wrote:
> 
> >Is the London picnic still on? I see no-one bothered to put it on the
> >picnic calendar, getting a bit slack aren't we?!
> 
> >Having never had the good fortune to attend one of thses momentous
> events
> >could someone kindly tell me how to get to the hallowed ground in case
> I
> >fail to see you outside Camden Tube .....
> 
> Yeah, me too.  I think that'd I'd like to come this time as well now
> that the hayfever season is settling I can be at ease out in the open
> without itchy eyes or a runny nose.  Ahh bliss.  What happens if it
> rains, as it's meant to?
> 
> I've decided to leave my job this afternoon, I feel that it's only a
> matter of time before I get the sack for poor punctuality, for which I
> have no excuse but I'd like to blame it on the snooze button on my alarm
> clock.
> 
> Ichy da,
> Huw

LONDON PICNIC SATURDAY 11th July @ 2PM PRIMROSE HILL

From: David

Who's welcome?: We can never stress this enough, simply put everyone is welcome, without exception
at all.

Transport: We're meeting at 2pm outside Camden Town tube station which is on the Northern Line (main
interchanges are Leicester Square, Kings Cross and Waterloo). You can also get there by catching a
bus, call London Transport on 0181 777 1234 for details of buses.

Location: The picnic itself will take place on the peak of Primrose Hill, if you arrive late or
don't want to meet us at the tube station you can get to Primrose Hill by heading up the Parkway
till you reach the main set of traffic lights, take the road that leads up to the right and that
carries you to the foot of the hill (some 500m), then just walk uphill till you're at the top of the
hill.

Events/Games: connect 4, twister, croquet, soccer, rounders/baseball, climbing trees and lamp-posts,
drinking copious amounts of alcohol, playing on the swings and see saw, listening to music, possibly
making a film, silly teenage games like "stuck in the mud", etc. We encourage people to bring along
games and activities, especially if loads of people can participate in them.

What to bring? well apart from yourself in a fine mood and with a sense of humour we'd recommend a
larger item of food for the communal pile (things like pringles & dips, sausage rolls, a salad,
quiche, you know the stuff) and some alcohol. At the last picnic our communal pile of food covered a
large blanket, it really makes it feel like a feast and adds to the atmosphere. For those that are
not travelling too far could you also bring board games, footballs, etc. We'll try to have a stereo
(courtesy of Susannah or Trousers), but please don't bring a ton of tapes as we won't have time to
play them!

If it pishes down? well then you'd find everyone in the Spread Eagle, the place that perpetually
tries to ban us, and we still go back :)

Updates: On the day you can phone 0181 560 1815 after 11am for updates. It's just an ansaphone, but
will let you know of any changes, and if it's raining, it should let you know where we'll be.

Problems or questions? then mail david kitchen on shop at jeepster.co.uk

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From 9503208p at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 15:53:33 1998
From: 9503208p at xxx.uk (Sarah Jane Philp)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:53:33 +0000
Subject: Sinister: tigers milk
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ooh look what i found 

* * * * * * * 
Tiger's Milk

3/4 ounce brandy 

3/4 sloe gin 

Shake with cracked ice; strain into chilled cocktail glass. Twist
lemon peel over drink.
 
* * * * * * * *
right im off to buy some brandy
bye#sarah 
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From Mark at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 14:56:55 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:56:55 +0100
Subject: Sinister: What's the Italian for picnic?
Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E220F8F55@server1.HITEntertainment.com>


Hi everyone,

Can I just do my best to try and persuade all those people who are
thinking "hmm, well, the picnic sounds okay but, you know, it's in north
London, and it might rain, and I've been meaning to alphabetise my Echo
and the Bunnymen collection" etc. etc., that this is a fantastic
opportunity to meet loads of people you're going to really like, and
become part of what is frankly an historical event. 

I've been to 3 picnics now, and although I am very much the shrinking
violet type, I've made loadsa new friends who have hugely enriched my
existence. I'm also a bit drunk as my naughty colleagues persuaded me to
share in a bottle of amarone this lunchtime, which is why I'm being a
bit unnecessary. 

Vicky - can I suggest you bring a baize table, a fedora, a dangling
cigarette and an air of slightly threatening insouciance, and we can
sort out an illegal gambling den and witness Katrina's legendary
baccarat talents.

It is such a laugh - please come, even if you don't have any pringles!

I want to have all your children,
Biondino

p.s. I've always wanted to know, but as I am tipsy I'll ask - is
Espadrille a boy or a girl? I reckon it's a boy, but I'd love to find
out...

p.p.s. why is ver Duke pretending to be a 21-year-old drum'n'bass icon
by the name of Squarepusher? What's going on?

p.p.p.s. I wish I could be there tonight, but anyone who fancies going
indie clubbin' at the LA2 after the social, come along - I'm the one in
the beige linen shirt and a big big smile.
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From aeos at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 15:09:21 1998
From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:09:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Taking the ol' plunge
Message-ID: <005301bdac0c$61245d00$265795c1@default>


Right. I've decided.

A very small number of you folks might know me, Sir Royst himself, from the
Sinister chatroom. Those with particularly good memories might even remember
me from back in the early days, when the list was a mere toddler [in
comparison with its late adolescence now]

It's the hols! I've got far too much time on my hands. I have therefore
decided to make the transition from the digest to the full-blown,
full-Monty, full-umm....hog [!] list, not least because I am unreasonably
excited about the forthcoming B+S activity.

Must say the Treehouse site is a bit of a joy, what? I think the tape swap
idea is a *superb* one, and I'm certainly up for it. I hope you all have a
great time at the picnic tomorrow - I would come, but I'm not really
sure.....next time, maybe?

For possibly the first time in my life, I'm actually *really* looking
forward to the end of the hols - I mean we have new albums from the Manics,
the Divine Comedy *and* B+S, and I shall certainly be doing my best to go to
at least one gig by the latter two. Right, the sun is shining, and I'm going
to tidy my room.

Love to you all,

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From John.Stuart at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 15:21:18 1998
From: John.Stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart/mail+schedule)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:21:18 -0700
Subject: Sinister: The Treehouse
Message-ID: <93CA1ADD24AED111B6CF00A0C906763019CE6A@EDINBURGH>


Quick question.  I've downloaded the sound clips from Stuart David's
Treehouse, but Real Audio refuses to play them.  Anybody else had this
problem?  How do I get round it?  Okay, that was two questions!

Cheers,

John.
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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 15:18:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:18:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: tape loop
Message-ID: <2DF00330016A1600@c2gate.tcom.co.uk>


Erin, you are a genius.

Unless someone else has already volunteered before this message gets
there I am quite happy to help get the tape rotation thing going.

If everyone who is interested e-mails me directly to let me know then
I can build up a list of e-mail addresses and post it to the list next
week.  All you would have to do is e-mail your postal address directly
to the person above you in the list and wait for the tapes to come
flooding in.

If there is anyone (eg. Peter Miller) that you would take particular
exception to giving your address to then let me know and I can take it
into account ;)

Let me know what country you are in and I will put together two
or more lists if necessary - unless anyone out there is feeling
particularly rich and doesn't mind paying for international postage
every few weeks.

Kevan
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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 16:03:14 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:03:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Picnics are for scaredies too
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Mark Casarotto (Mark at HITEntertainment.com) wrote:

>I've been to 3 picnics now, and although I am very much the shrinking
>violet type, I've made loadsa new friends who have hugely enriched my
>existence.

This is not at all true.  Mark is a big show-off who frightens small
children for a living.  And don't believe any of that rubbish about
him being 'sensitive underneath'.  He's a monster through and through.

I, however, am a genuinely pathetic social retard, who after woosing
out of the previous two picnics managed to have great fun at the last
one.  So you all must come.  I'll talk to you anyway.

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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 16:05:47 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:05:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: jeepster-news: New Belle and Sebastian album!
References: <35A10711.2468A6FD@jeepster.co.uk> <35A135ED.35DD@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <35A62DCB.F52FC54B@jeepster.co.uk>


sorry this is taking me so long to reply ...

Reid Dossinger wrote:

> And an unofficial question for Katrina:

okey dokey ...
 
> How different are the album versions of "Sleep the Clock Around" and
> "Seymour Stein" from the BBC sessions?

ummm, seymour stein has some different lyrics.  i've heard so many
different versions of sleep the clock around, that they all seem like
different songs!  well, not really but sort of.  the album versions
sound more mature, as if they've been given time to develop (file under
"additional mixing time in the studio") and the vocals for both tracks
... well, stevie's makes me swoon more than it ever did and bel + stuart
m's duet on sleep the clock around is ... umm, i'm not very good at
describing things today (it is friday afternoon!), so i 'spose you'll
have to make up your own minds when you hear it ... sorry everyone ....

> Ooh, and any chance of getting a BBC sessions album?  I know that sounds
> like a silly question, but...I'd pretty much kill for a version of LLPJ
> that doesn't cut off just after it starts smoking.

anything is possible!

cheers,
Katrina.
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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 16:11:51 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:11:51 +0100
Subject: Sinister: RE: jeepster-news: New Belle and Sebastian album - part 2
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Nicola4230 at aol.com wrote:

> Not too minor to those of us here on the West Coast!!!
> just kidding.
> No I'm not! :*(
> Is there *any* chance B&S will be making their way here to the West Coast this
> year? Or should I start booking my plane tickets now?

should be early next year ... oh and the same goes for southern europe
too, the dates for this year will be north europe only ... probably.

cheers,
katrina.
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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 16:10:39 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:10:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: New Belle and Sebastian album! Woohoo!
References: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980706211017.19896A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>
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i don't remember whether this got answered or not, so apologies if it
did already ...

Stuart Gardiner wrote:
> PS Anyone fancy telling us WHICH album track was played on Beat Patrol
> last night? And what it was like?

t'was dirty dream #2, which is my 2nd fave track (simple things makes me
cry nearly every single time ... *sigh*) and it's a motown style great
for dancing to in a club with fabbo guitar bits and sexy murdoch
vocals.  very very good for dancing around the office to when nobody is
there.  oh, and it's got kind of rude lyrics ... and ace strings & a
spoken word bit by sarah ... rumoured to be a vid made for it to.

seeya's,
Katrina.

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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 16:08:21 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:08:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Picnics are for scaredies too
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Mark Casarotto (Mark at HITEntertainment.com) wrote:

>I've been to 3 picnics now, and although I am very much the shrinking
>violet type, I've made loadsa new friends who have hugely enriched my
>existence.

This is not at all true.  Mark is a big show-off who frightens small
children for a living.  And don't believe any of that rubbish about
him being 'sensitive underneath'.  He's a monster through and through.

I, however, am a genuinely pathetic social retard, who after woosing
out of the previous two picnics managed to have great fun at the last
one.  So you all must come.  I'll talk to you anyway.

Nick xx


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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Fri Jul 10 16:48:55 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:48:55 +0200
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
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"Jarvis" on Looper. And "Jarvis":

>well, i really love it. It's strange, but the record really reminds me
>of me, if that doesn't sound too conceited. It's like, well, it sounds
>for all the world like a little segment of a Duke's Living Room set,
>with some blips and slow beats and then some break beats and a spoken
>word thing over the top.

I haven't heard the record, but I have heard Looper over the Internet, and
yes, they reminded me of myself as well, insofar as they sounded bloody
terrible and kept stopping and starting.

 Stuart's stories, particularly Impossible
>Things, are lovely understated pieces, and really remind me of the short
>pieces we used to stick in the LR booklets, not that anyone read them,
>but whatever.

I've read some of them. My favourite is the Manifesto, especially the
suggestion that anyone who wants 4/4 beats all night should bugger off down
the shops and buy a Cream LP. I'm paraphrasing, of course. The only story I
can remember off the top of my head is about a bloke sitting on a bench that
says "arab strap". I mean that has "arab strap" written on it, it doesn't
actually say "arab strap" out loud, although that would probably be quite
good, can you imagine the look on the bloke's face? Sheer Heart Attack or
what? Anyway, seeing as I'm not going to get the Looper single, what I
thought I'd do is read that story out loud over a bit of that drum'n'bass
tape you sent me (which I really like now, I'm Squarepusher too) and record
it as a kind of substitute, back to their roots, Looper record. Anybody want
a tape?

 It's just weird is all... and really nice to feel that
>maybe someone somewhere else has a similar sensibility or something.

I know just what you mean. The same thing happened to me when I discovered
Isaac Hayes a couple of years ago.

Jon G - you might like Echo and the Bunnymen, the first two Billy Bragg
albums and some albums by The Fall, such as This Nation's Saving Grace, as
well as Orange Juice. Of course, you might hate them, but those are some of
the things I liked when I was around about your age. Well, I'm not sure how
old you are, but this kind of thing kept me company through the sixth form.
In fact I was so impressed by Mark E. Smith that I once refused to analyse
poetry because I'd heard him saying it was a bad idea on the radio. The
teacher must have thought I was a complete twat. But I digress: I used to
use and abuse the local record library, if you've got one of those nearby,
it's a good way to get to listen to new stuff dead cheap. When I say "new" I
mean stuff that you haven't heard before, because most of it's really old.

Keith was a prefect, eh?

I don't want anybody's address, you can all breathe a sigh of relief. I've
got Paul's and it's him I'm after. He might wake up to find a goldfish's
head in the bed one day. I'd forgotten about that tape he was going to do
me.

love,
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From Mark at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 17:04:38 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:04:38 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I'm going to get you, Dastoor
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What's all this about me being a monster through and through? I'm gonna
duff you up in breaktime, Dastoor - meet you at the lampost at the top
of Primrose Hill, and come alone. Don't even think about bringing a few
dozen fey pop fans with you, either - I know your tricks.

Thinking about it, though, I actually DO scare small children for a
living. That's put a whole new perspective on working in children's
television.

I've just noticed - when I view my mail, there's a little box marked TAG
- presumably so that you can tick all the mails from our favourite
itinerant journo chum and either go straight ot them or ignore them as
is your wont. He doesn't half get around though, does he?

Sorry about being so ubiquitous today, but my motivation was struggling
at about midday, then a crepe and booze lunch, and now it's winding down
time. I did get collared by the MD when I got back from lunch, though,
so I expect my P45 to be trembling on the lip of the post box as we
speak...

I'm actually going to try and write something related to B&S. Every time
I listen to XFM in bed, and a sweet song comes on that I don't know, I
pray it's going to be Belle and Sebastian. It hasn't been yet, but as
the man Kennedy has played several of their songs in the past, I'm sure
he'll be as keen as I am to get them on air.

Are we going to be indulging in a purchasing strategy to get our
beloveds as high in the charts as possible? More importantly, what
happens when they get to number one and Honey's back breaks under the
strain of having another 100,000 listees? I'm not one to be cliquey, but
we were here first, and I for one will defend our bunch of 500 to the
death, I tell you, to the death!!!

I think Judy and the dream of horses is my favourite song this week.
Wht's yours?

Biondetto
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From shop at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 17:16:17 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:16:17 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I'm going to get you, Dastoor
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Mark Casarotto wrote:
<snipped a load of nonsense, just to find>
> I think Judy and the dream of horses is my favourite song this week.
> Wht's yours?
> 
> Biondetto

actually it's lazy line painter jane this week, i tried to do it justice when i created the sound
sample, honestly i did, but it's so hard to squeeze a minute of sound out of a song you love. 

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From tasha at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 17:40:08 1998
From: tasha at xxx.com (Girl Racer)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:40:08 -0700
Subject: Sinister: tape tree
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i like the tape tree idea! although i doubt if i have any music that other
people don't have.

also, in a short NME article 9 July 1998  it mentions that B &S will be touring
the West Coast US. is this a mistake, or have tara and I's prairs been
answered??

also Rialto is ace.  just thought i'd say that.

tasha

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 17:42:33 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:42:33 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: What's the Italian for picnic?
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> 
> p.s. I've always wanted to know, but as I am tipsy I'll ask - is
> Espadrille a boy or a girl? I reckon it's a boy, but I'd love to find
> out...

wow! attention! 

well, there are various people on the list who already know, but as long
as they don't let anything slip i don't see why i shouldn't cultivate this
genderless state.

and what do you mean by 'i'd love to find out'? i'm not that kind of girl!
or boy!

an androgynous espadrille

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From barzy at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 19:09:27 1998
From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:09:27 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Looking for listies from Adelaide
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Are there any listies from Adelaide, South Australia?














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From aeos at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 18:39:15 1998
From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:39:15 +0100
Subject: Sinister: tape tree
Message-ID: <001801bdac29$b9b18f20$f95995c1@default>


>i like the tape tree idea! although i doubt if i have any music that other
>people don't have.

I personally reckon this is not a problem. Obviously, one would have to say
that we should steer away from B+S [unless - here's this for an idea - we
are all allowed to put *one* B+S track on - say our current favourite?], but
apart from that, I, for one, wouldn't object to hearing, say,'Bridge over
Troubled Water', which, although I may have countless times over in my music
collection, is just the kind of song that you could never, *ever* complain
about having to hear again. Yes? By the way, I used 11 commas in that there
sentence. Something to do with subliminal clauses or something.

That said, I do realise the whole idea of the Tape Tree [tm] is, by and
large, to inflict one's own musical taste on the unenlightened.

>also Rialto is ace.  just thought i'd say that.

Indisputable. Album out Monday.

------------------------------------------------------
Andrew O'Sullivan
aeos at dial.pipex.com
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan/
'Look me up in the Yellow Pages,
I will be your Rock of Ages'
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From jon.g at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 18:44:28 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:44:28 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 80s records & tape trees
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-------------------------------
Re: the 80s campaign
-------------------------------
Right, well, I decided to buy Orange Juice in the end, because soo many
people yelled it at me.  And I think I quite like it.  When bethey heard it,
she said "it's quite 80s, isn't it?", which made me laugh.  Anyway, thanks
for all your suggestions.  I may try some more of them later, if i find
myself in need of spending more cash.

-----------------------
Re: the tape tree
-----------------------
This sounds like a really good idea, but i don't quite understand it fully.
Does one person send a tape to the tree owner, who then sends it on to the
next person, who sends it on to the next?  Is there any limit to the number
of tapes that can pass through?  Are we going to have a boom of tapes around
christmas, costing us fortunes in postage costs?  And what if someone isn't
in and the tape stays on the doormat for months?  Or we could have regional
representatives - like someone sends a number copies of a tape to the tree
owner (the trunk?) and then he sends them to each of us, who send it round
smaller circles.  And what happens when there are loads of us on the tree?
Or is it totally different and each month, everyone has to make a tape for
someone different each month and then they send it on?  Pray explain.

Anyway, i'd be quite happy to do some organisation of it and stuff.
Whatever.

Right, I'm going.

love
jon g.
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From tangent at xxx.net  Fri Jul 10 17:54:28 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:54:28 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Shoot First Ask Questions Later
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Carrick C Blair wrote:

> over. Where was the song? 

i dunno what all the thing about a song is... songs are neat, but
sometimes a good record is lots of things but not necessarily a great
song per se. this reminds me of Steve Wright on the radio proclaiming
LFO by LFO to be the worst record ever made, about how it had no melody,
when to anyone with ears the sub-bass notes were the melody, it was just
a different way of looking at it, or hearing it. It wasn't a song, in
the traditional sense, but it was a bloody great record. i think the
Looper record is a great sounding record.

> album going's to be a Revolver as opposed to a Rubber Soul. I just hope
> they use the breakbeats more effectively on the album.

well i couldn't give a toss about beatles references because, well,
that's personal tastes, but yes, i think the breakbeats could have been
better on the looper record, but hey... stuart is clearly no optical,
and vice versa.

> I still say lowfi breakbeats is a musical dead end. 

i think it's an exciting avenue if pursued with energy. i'm still
waiting to see someone put some breakbeats together with Fire Engines
guitars... man i'd kill to hear someone with skill pull that one off.

> sitting here listening to Four-Calendar Cafe, and enjoying it, even
> though most people think it the worst Cocteau Twins LP ever. So what do I
> know.

sitting here listening to the Hefner LP again and loving it. i have
decided now that it's blueprint is early Eno and that is fine by me.
With some pixies thrown in for good measure. And a weird early
Go-Betweens angle. Cool.

> PS Since there's a few of you are old time pop fans, and old time Scots,
> I bought the Suede Crocodiles single today for 5$. Too much? Too little?

sounds a good buy to me, it's a pretty storming Pop moment called Stop
The Rain for anyone else who cares :-)

keep the faith

the duke

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From tangent at xxx.net  Fri Jul 10 17:42:27 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:42:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Jon G is an inspiration
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Mark Casarotto wrote:

> life was saved by The Cowboy Junkies "Trinity Session" - in fact, that's
> a pretty darn good recommendation if it did come out before 1/1/90),

i have one Cowboy Junkies single, it's a VU cover version, and it's
quite poor actually. i never really got the appeal, but i'm a
philistine.

> considered suggestions - but in the meantime, can I ask if anyone knows
> anything about an Antipodean combo called Look Blue Go Purple, whose
> fine, fine "Cactus Cat" single is my only link to them, and that's just
> on a compilation.

that's a mighty compilation, the Flying Nun 'in love with these times',
and i dunno anything about LBGP aside from the fact that the sleeve
notes say that cactus cat is from the 12" EP 'LBGPEP2', which suggest
that there might have been a LBGPEP1. There was a wealth of New Zealand
Pop in the 80s and i guess there is still... Flying Nun was sold
recently to a major i think, which is a shame, but they released some
astonishing records. 

> Oh yes - and one more final thing. John Kennedy on XFM played
> religiously, about 2-3 months ago, an instrumental tune, about 8 minutes
> long, by someone I _think_ was called Skyway. It was very mellow, pretty
> obvious, but I really liked it. Can anyone enlighten me? A private
> email'd be cool. Ta!

weird, cos i was listening to the Skyway LP in school today when the
kids weren't around and i had chance to do some painting. it's a lovely
record, but i have no details since it was taped for me by a friend. if
no-one else can help with details, i'll ask him next week when i see
him. i do recall it came in some lovely minimalist packaging.

hope that didn't bore everyone.

the duke


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From sarah at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 18:16:09 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:16:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Chihuauauas or whatever
Message-ID: <t2keiDAZxkp1EwDy@elsato97.demon.co.uk>


Chihuauas (if that is how it is spelt) have made a stonkin' tune called
UFO's, which was put on a nice mix tape for me. It's a good song. Has
been described as "Camper Van Beethoven and SFA having a scrap". I just
like it me. 

Perfection As A Hipster <Andreas.Hering at stud.uni-hannover.de> writes
>"Funny Old World" (Buba & The Shop Assistants)

I just thought I'd like to see that again. Buba. *snigger*

Just thought I'd tell you that my fave record is babysitting godzilla's
y-fronts 78 rpm limited edition remix of teepee comet green rust man's
seminal numbered puce vinyl reworking of teh irene handl blues bastards
techno scratty take on "the very though of you" on knockknockwhosthereim
ap?imapwho?HHAHyousaidi'mapoo records of Garstang...

AND ALSO that I am sorry for gushing over new B&S news after fuck all
for ages, I shall restrain myself as such in case I am not being
interested, 'cos I really care.

"the man don't give a fuck" - Super Furries. HA! Bet no-one has heard of
THEM! Naahhahahaha, oh I'm going. Sorry Andreas, but you are yet to
quote a band I have heard of.... :)
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From gary at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 10 19:32:31 1998
From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:32:31 +0100
Subject: Sinister: What's this ?.
Message-ID: <001501bdac31$19689060$770c93c3@default>


Hi All,

One of the mail order firms in the back of the NME is offering a B&S 7"
called Impossible Things for sale, is this the Looper single is it ?. If not
what is it ?.

Gary

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From conform at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 19:41:35 1998
From: conform at xxx.com (Seamus Campbell)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:41:35 -0700
Subject: Sinister: What's this ?.
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that is indeed the looper 7".

 seamus

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gary Done [SMTP:gary at xxx.uk]
> Subject:	Sinister: What's this ?.
> 
> One of the mail order firms in the back of the NME is offering a B&S
> 7"
> called Impossible Things for sale, is this the Looper single is it ?.
> If not
> what is it ?.
> 
> Gary
> 
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From Ociosoig at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 19:52:08 1998
From: Ociosoig at xxx.com (Ociosoig at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:52:08 EDT
Subject: Sinister: hangin' with mister looper
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could some kind person give me the tracks listing fir the looper 7'' ?
thanks.                              -a.james

-sorry for the cheesy subject
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From Ociosoig at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 19:53:58 1998
From: Ociosoig at xxx.com (Ociosoig at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:53:58 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Looking for listies from Adelaide
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well well. im not from adelaide -in fact im no where near it....but one my
fave. twee pop bands are from adelaide.. that would be sweet william....well
bye. good luck finding someone.         cheers.                -a.james
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From tangent at xxx.net  Fri Jul 10 17:32:06 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:32:06 +0100
Subject: Sinister: NOT 10 Roddington Place
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Keith Watson wrote:

> >of me, if that doesn't sound too conceited. It's like, well, it sounds
> >for all the world like a little segment of a Duke's Living Room set,
> 
> This is a worrying development Duke, could it be possible that Stuart David
> perhaps went to your dining room in the early sixties and heard you doing
> it, perhaps taping it with his portable DAT player? I'd get on to your
> lawyers.

anything is possible, and i mean anything. perhaps that little kid with
the glasgow accent that i used to see every summer on troon prom was
really stuart david, and that ice cream he was always clutching was
actually a cunningly disguised dat recorder... i always wondered why he
was following me around as i wandered up and down between the crazy golf
and the other, 'proper' putting green, telling anyone who would listen
(and those who wouldn't) all about my ideas to make noise out of lo-fi
breakbeats, typewriters, bleeps and phony romantic stories. 'one day...'
i would say, and everyone would smirk and move away, except for jimmy
mcfarlane who would take any chance to kick me in the guts. meanwhile
the little glasgow boy's ice-cream dropped a few more dribbles of
raspberry syrup onto the sand, and he plotted his future.

or something.

> Roddddney - you were a cheeky little bastard, as I said, you were very rude
> and you're very lucky we didn't give you a bogwash, or a wedgy or something.

Rodney mentioned Dollar academy or somesuch, and there's a kid in my
year 10 art group who always tells me about how he went on holiday to
scotland last summer, and that the place he went to was called Dollar. I
laugh and say trust Scotland to name a town after a dodgy 80s pop duo
with outrageous hair and teeth but he never gets the joke. 

> any case the taping idea is cool, we should do it - 

someone on the indie-pop list ran a similar thing when i was on there,
and it was a lot of fun, although sometimes tapes didn't appear, but
that was probably understandable when the majority of the particpants
were in the USA and i'm stuck here in rainy devon. But yeah, i'm up for
getting involved. i think that the guy who did the indiepop one just
asked people to send their details to him, and he stuck it on a database
and he had a little software routine that made matches. i dunno if
that's possible or necessary here, but whatever. i'm up for it for sure.
i can tape people lo-fi breakbeats and typewriter noise and i can read
stories over the top and pretend i'm someone special. not that anyone
will agree, but what the hell.

keep on pushing (colourbox)

the duke


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From vanessa.figueras at xxx.se  Fri Jul 10 21:13:24 1998
From: vanessa.figueras at xxx.se (Vanessa Figueras)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:13:24 +0200
Subject: Sinister: tigers milk
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swedish version tigermilk, Bailey's and milk, not sure of the amount though.
sorry

Sarah Jane Philp wrote:

> ooh look what i found
>
> * * * * * * *
> Tiger's Milk
>
> 3/4 ounce brandy
>
> 3/4 sloe gin
>
> Shake with cracked ice; strain into chilled cocktail glass. Twist
> lemon peel over drink.
>
> * * * * * * * *
> right im off to buy some brandy
> bye#sarah
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From Ociosoig at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 22:13:16 1998
From: Ociosoig at xxx.com (Ociosoig at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:13:16 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Kinks & Belle   Ray DaviES & Stuart DaviD  (band similarities)
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ok the first time i ever heard belle & sebastian,this subject came up in my
mind so its about time i discuss it with others.    belle & sebastian
(especially the vocals) sounds like the early 70s kinks.    ray davies(head
singer)'s voice is remarkably similar to stuart murdock's.   anyone else
agree?         especially the songs:
"Sitting in my hotel" & "celluloid heroes" off the out-of-print-soon-to-be-re-
released "Everybody's in Showbiz" LP that i snatched used at the local record
store. 
cheers.                  -a.james
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From barzy at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 23:30:22 1998
From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:30:22 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Kinks & Belle   Ray DaviES & Stuart DaviD  (band similarities)
Message-ID: <v01540b09b1cc4599fb36@[209.85.25.57]>


>ok the first time i ever heard belle & sebastian,this subject came up in my
>mind so its about time i discuss it with others.    belle & sebastian
>(especially the vocals) sounds like the early 70s kinks.    ray davies(head
>singer)'s voice is remarkably similar to stuart murdock's.   anyone else
>agree?         especially the songs:
>"Sitting in my hotel" & "celluloid heroes" off the out-of-print-soon-to-be-re-
>released "Everybody's in Showbiz" LP that i snatched used at the local record
>store.
>cheers.                  -a.james
>---

I totally agree...It's hard for me to see it now, but when I first heard
Belle & Sebastian..that was my impression, completely. I got hooked, and
after a few listens I stopped thinking about it tho..but yeah....you're
right. My ex HATED Stuart's voice and once, when I was having the most
blissfull nap (you know..when you actually *fall* asleep with with that
lovely voice in your head...) he turned off the tape and it went !!SNAP!!
and I popped up and went "what duh?" and he said "I can't take it
anymore..that Ray Davies guy is making me violent.


This is why he is an EX. :)

beth














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From HoleRole at xxx.com  Fri Jul 10 23:59:01 1998
From: HoleRole at xxx.com (HoleRole at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:59:01 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy
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>Well unfortunately I can't claim to have heard the album, but like a lot
>of people here I've already heard (and have tapes of) over half the songs
>on the album, either on the radio sessions or at gigs.
  
What radio sessions are these? And what about those picnics? As an American
B&S fan, am I missing something? Can someone help me?

Also I just got on the list and would like to tell everyone that I enjoy it
very much. It is sometimes very interesting and I find it very informative.
Does anyone know anything about where B&S will perform in America?

									Thanks a ton,
											HoleRole
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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Sat Jul 11 02:33:16 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:33:16 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Kinks & Belle   Ray DaviES & Stuart DaviD  (band similarities)
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poo, i only know four kinks songs.
no wait, five.

can anyone suggest what i should get (i had the early best-of one for a while,
but i only remember 4 songs from it)? 

matt
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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Sat Jul 11 03:03:41 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:03:41 EDT
Subject: Sinister: roxette was just on tgif
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i just heard the england united song for the first time and laughed for a full
twenty minutes.

out loud.
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From parachute at xxx.net  Sat Jul 11 04:20:26 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (brad)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:20:26 -0400
Subject: Sinister: a clean well-lighted letter
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oh yeah. mmm bomp bomp. oh yeah. chikachika.

remember that 80's tune? it was on the movie "weird science", which, as
everyone knows has the distinction of being the best movie ever
made....along with "electric dreams" (great soundtrack). it has the
happiest song in the world on it..."together in electric dreams" by
giorgio moroder with philip oakley. surely duke has a comment on this
song. it took me four years to track down a copy of that soundtrack.

so, i want in on the tape tree thing. i got loads of songs by eggs and
bedhead and townes van zandt and magnetic fields and a stunning cover of
new order's "true faith" done by the boo radleys...along with their
equally effective cover of the belle and sebastian inspiring song "alone
again or" by love.

i would really love to hear people's thoughts on the movie "electric
dreams"...sometimes it seems i'm the only one who fell in love with it.
and at the end when they turn on the radio driving over that bridge and
"together in electric dreams" come on, i wanna get up and
dance...although it's hard cause, as none of you know what i look like,
i am 400 pounds and legless.

kids used to taunt me. they'd go "fatty fatty two by four, stupid fuck
ain't got no legs." i cried. i hear tim hopkins shops in the husky
department, too.

we'll always be together
together in electric dreams

-brad
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From Blur245 at xxx.com  Sat Jul 11 04:24:57 1998
From: Blur245 at xxx.com (Blur245 at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:24:57 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Release date
Message-ID: <1c44041f.35a6db0a@aol.com>


Hello
     Maybe this is old news but at the record store I work at we called
Matador and they said the new B&S will be relesed September 3rd.I have
stapled a dibs on any promo stuff for it when it comes in.Hopefully they will
do a cross promotions with us.Anyway got any Sarah records stuff anyone wants
to sell(State side please).
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From jossleag at xxx.ie  Sat Jul 11 05:27:21 1998
From: jossleag at xxx.ie (Joss & Leagues)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 05:27:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: posh paws
Message-ID: <v01530500630b7190038c@[194.125.11.176]>


Hello.
In response to jong's query, I reckon the idea is that everyone makes one
tape and it sort of gets passed around in a circle till it gets back to you
again. Is that right? I thort it might be nice if everyone (if they wanted)
wrote a wee thing about why they like certain songs on their tape or
whatever. You know the way it sometimes helps you enjoy a song if you hear
how other folk feel about it? No? O well.
Anyways, if nice Kevan doesn't want to do all the areas, I could organise a
circle between UK and Ireland. Leagues will slag me cos he's mean and bad,
but he won't send you bad things in the post. I promise.
g'night
joss

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From GoFkYrSlfz at xxx.com  Sat Jul 11 06:53:54 1998
From: GoFkYrSlfz at xxx.com (GoFkYrSlfz at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:53:54 EDT
Subject: Sinister: No Subject
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From Ociosoig at xxx.com  Sat Jul 11 09:09:01 1998
From: Ociosoig at xxx.com (Ociosoig at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:09:01 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Trembling blue stars trembling trembling.
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what is this band like?      could someone describe.
and also could someone name some other good folkish beautiful pop
bands(if those exist)? thanks cheers.

-a.james
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From tangent at xxx.net  Sat Jul 11 09:06:22 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:06:22 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Kinks & Belle   Ray DaviES & Stuart DaviD  (band similarities)
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Message-ID: <35A71CFE.615D5408@lineone.net>


> can anyone suggest what i should get (i had the early best-of one for a while,
> but i only remember 4 songs from it)?

66-68 era is my favourite, without a doubt. Get 'Something Else' and
'The Village Green Preservation Society', which are without a doubt two
of the very finest LPs ever made by anyone EVER. No shit. '67s
'Something Else' has classics like David Watts ('nice and easy...'),
Lazy Old Sun, End of The Season and ends with Waterloo Sunset.
'Preservation...' is from '68 and is just phenomonal. Like the secret
sacred Hurrah! there's a song called Big Sky, and it soars like you know
a song with a title like that should. Swoon to 'Sitting By The
Riverside' and 'Do You remember Walter', guffaw to Phenomonal Cat and
All Of My Freinds Were There, and bellow along to the title track. For
all fans of smack encrusted US rock dudes, there's even the song that
gave Johnny Thunders his moniker. What more do you want? Oh i know, you
want a double LP that PRT Reocrds stuck out in the UK in 87 called 'the
Kinks are well respected men' and it's basically a collection of single
a and b sides that never appeared on LPs. So it's not a best of, but
more a fill the gaps type excercise, but it collects some amazing stuff,
not least songs like 'I'm Not Like Everbody Else', 'Big Black Smoke' and
the proto T-rex sounding 'King Kong' from 69. The collection covers 64 -
70, ending with the flip side of Lola, 'Berkeley Mews' which to my ears
is vastly superior.

CAn i say something else about the Hefner LP? the Kinks. there.

off to chip tiles off the bathroom wall. 

the duke


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From tangent at xxx.net  Sat Jul 11 09:29:59 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:29:59 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
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PJMiller wrote:

> "Jarvis" on Looper. And "Jarvis":

ha ha ha. you have no idea how funny that joke remains ;-)

> I've read some of them. My favourite is the Manifesto, especially the
> suggestion that anyone who wants 4/4 beats all night should bugger off down
> the shops and buy a Cream LP. I'm paraphrasing, of course. The only story I
> can remember off the top of my head is about a bloke sitting on a bench that
> says "arab strap". I mean that has "arab strap" written on it, it doesn't
> actually say "arab strap" out loud,

oh it doesn't say Arab Strap at all... it says 'Shaz' and 'Boyzone', and
'NC Loved Me', the bloke is just LISTENING to Arab Strap. You get an 'F'
for your critical appraisal.

>  It's just weird is all... and really nice to feel that
> >maybe someone somewhere else has a similar sensibility or something.
> 
> I know just what you mean. The same thing happened to me when I discovered
> Isaac Hayes a couple of years ago.

that's exactly what Isaac said about the experience.

> The
> teacher must have thought I was a complete twat.

ah, some things never change, do they?

> Keith was a prefect, eh?

one of my biggest regrets is not turning down the opportunity to be a
prefect. i would have been the first at my school to do so, but i
buckled under the pressure. we had to wear scummy green bands around the
cuffs of our blazers. the blazers were purple, and it was not a pretty
sight. But then nor was i so it didn't matter so much. i never did any
duties though... well i did a stair duty once and tripped up some kid in
the corridor who shouldn't have been running, but that was about it.
hazy days.

bathroom. tiles. tiles. bathroom.

oh sod it, i'll do it tomorrow with a hangover.

the duke

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From tangent at xxx.net  Sat Jul 11 09:19:40 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:19:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: a clean well-lighted letter
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brad wrote:
 
> oh yeah. mmm bomp bomp. oh yeah. chikachika.
> 
> remember that 80's tune? it was on the movie "weird science", which, as
> everyone knows has the distinction of being the best movie ever
> made....along with "electric dreams" (great soundtrack). it has the
> happiest song in the world on it..."together in electric dreams" by
> giorgio moroder with philip oakley. surely duke has a comment on this
> song. it took me four years to track down a copy of that soundtrack.

never one to shrink from a challenge... the duke says: actually moroder
and oakey took the idea from me. it was one sunny afternoon in 1982 and
i was sitting out in my mate Jon's back garden drinking home made wine.
i was telling his sister Vic that the 'Dare' LP that she was playing for
the millionth time that day, was marred only by it's lack of genuine
Disco Beats. 'That Oakey bloke', i said, 'he wants to hook up with that
Moroder chap who did such sterling work with Donna Summer'. i discovered
only much later that the strange looking shadow lurking behind the
gazebo was no other than Phil O himself, up to troon thanks to a tip off
from Stuart David's ice-cream, and out to rob blind yet more of the
duke's fledgling ideas. In hindsight i should have been alerted to his
identity by the haircut. Sigh. see, i coulda been someone, i coulda been
a contender.

> so, i want in on the tape tree thing. i got loads of songs by eggs and
> bedhead and townes van zandt and magnetic fields and a stunning cover of
> new order's "true faith" done by the boo radleys...along with their
> equally effective cover of the belle and sebastian inspiring song "alone
> again or" by love.

i can offer many things, including Love doing Alone Again Or and Seven
And Seven Is and The Jasminks doing the very same song. I love Love. And
i HAte HAte. actually i don't really, but i can stick that on a tape
too. HAve i lost anyone?

Actually i don't think i ever saw the movie... i was too upset that
Oakey swiped my concept. i thought weird science was hilariously bad
though, for what it's worth. i remember seeing it in the company of
aforementioned sister of Jon (no, NOT everyone's favourite Jon g..) and
a bottle or two of cider. Both these things quite clearly aided in the
enjoyment a great deal.

right, i really AM off to find the hammer and chip off some bathroom
tiles.

respect to the legless of the world, i hope to join you all tonight.

the duke


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From aeos at xxx.com  Sat Jul 11 11:20:44 1998
From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:20:44 +0100
Subject: Sinister: a clean well-lighted letter
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Brad wrote:
> so, i want in on the tape tree thing. i got loads of songs by eggs and
> bedhead and townes van zandt and magnetic fields and a stunning cover of
> new order's "true faith" done by the boo radleys...along with their
> equally effective cover of the belle and sebastian inspiring song "alone
> again or" by love.

Hmm - 'True Faith was, possessively, renamed 'Boo Faith' and released as an
A-side some years back. What I'd *really* like to hear is The Boos' cover of
'4st 7lb' from The Holy Bible. It exists. We are told.

>Actually i don't think i ever saw the movie... i was too upset that
>Oakey swiped my concept.


Speaking of movies swiping concepts - I had a cat, now sadly departed, who
was christened, in 1982, Beethoven. For a decade, to the world, Beethoven
was a cat. [OK so he was also a strong contender for the position of finest
composer who has ever lived, but that's irrelevent.] And then some Hollywood
hob-nob decides to make Beethoven a dog! I nearly sued.....

>respect to the legless of the world, i hope to join you all tonight.

Anyone seen 'The Evil Dead'? I shall be watching it tonight. My friend says
he's been having nightmares about it. I look forward to it.

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Andrew O'Sullivan
aeos at dial.pipex.com
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan/
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I will be your Rock of Ages'
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From euan.leitch at xxx.net  Sat Jul 11 11:25:12 1998
From: euan.leitch at xxx.net (Euan Leitch)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:25:12 +0100
Subject: Sinister: good news and sad news.
Message-ID: <35A73D88.79AE@virgin.net>


Good morning

I'm strolling through the digests thinking "what would I recommend to
jon g. from the '80s?" and the reply I got I dismissed as too obvious
and not hip enough judging by other listees recomendations.  But here I
sit with the paper spread across the table telling me that they are
reforming for a tour (Stateside) and they have another Best of album. 
So I can't hold back.  Who are they?  Jon g., you'll know them from the
Flinttones movie, but forget about that and buy all the B52s back
catalogue.  Rock Lobster, 52 Girls, Planet Claire... oh daddy, take me
away!

But now I turn to some sad news.  Kay Thompson is dead.  She was Maggie
Prescott  the fashion magazine editor in Funny Face and one of the few
who could be noticed when next to Audrey Hepburn.  Please honour her
passing fellow listees and Think Pink.

Ah the '80s!  I spent last night being the only guy dancing to Wham &
Abba at a friends party.  They were all doin' it right, doin' it with
me!

bye de bye


Ue
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From IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es  Sat Jul 11 11:35:25 1998
From: IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jose_Maria_Sag=FAillo_=28hijo=29?=)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:35:25 +0200
Subject: No subject
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Hello

Saturday morning and I'm working but there's something making my morning
more easy. There's a radio-station playing a special program about
"Jonathan Richman". 


Jonathan Rules
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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Sat Jul 11 11:58:30 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:58:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Two Thats
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GoFkYrSlfz at aol.com wrote:

> remove

That email address, combined with that attempt at unsubbing, is *the* most
pathetic thing I've seen in ages.


Blur254 wrote:

> Maybe this is old news but at the record store I work at we called
> Matador and they said the new B&S will be relesed September 3rd.

Maybe this is (nearly) 32 year old news but

that's

my

birthday


Anyone else been listenening to The Stars of Heaven rekkids lately ? Or the
Raw Herbs 'Don't Bury Me Yet' ? Eastern Dark ring any bells ? I'm not being
purposely obtuse, just looking to finesse some coincidental badinage.


Turt

Workin' in corners








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From mctag at xxx.com  Sat Jul 11 12:23:06 1998
From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:23:06 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Shoot First Ask Questions Later
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Carrick wrote:

>Sorry, I was overstating things bit on my review of Looper. But I 
>figured most of you regularly read MM and NME and therefore used to
>people overstating things.

I figured that too.  Hence my flippant comment aboout shooting.

>That's the reason I fell in love with the Belle & Sebastian in the
>first place. They were different. And they were taking chances. I
>guess the new album going's to be a Revolver as opposed to a Rubber
>Soul. I just hope they use the breakbeats more effectively on the
>album.
 
I agree.  Sorry, Carrick, maybe I overreacted a little, but no malice
was intended, it was a joke really, and I'm sure regular readers will
know that I do like to play devil's advocate sometimes.  I certainly
wasn't using you as a stepping stone as some people have suggested.  A
stepping stone to what, I wonder?  Still, I digress.  I read Carrick's
first mail and I'd be lying if I said it didn't jar.  I love all B&S
records so far, but I don't want Sinister#2, I think you should use
all means at your disposal to make great records, whether breakbeats
or mongolian nose-flutes if they work.  I just thought Carrick's mail
sounded more than a little luddite (like the folkies who objected to
Dylan going electric), his follow-up letter put such fears at bay.

In response to Andreas, who has taken it upon himself to badmouth me
snidely and self-righteously, which comes as quite a shock, given the
good-natured conversations we've had in the past, can I just apologise
once again for being unable (unavoidably) to meet him in Sweden in
April and hope this wasn't the real motivation for his rather hurtful
and unfounded remarks about "stepping stones" and "cliqueyness".

Tag x
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Sat Jul 11 12:54:54 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:54:54 +0200
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
Message-ID: <01bdacc2$b8743ba0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


I would like to take this opportunity to correct a mistake in my last
message: The bench doesn't say "Arab Strap" at all, the person sitting on
the bench is listening to Arab Strap. The bench says "Boyzone" and "Shaz".
We at Roddington Place would like to apologise for any distress caused.

Also, as early as April 11th 1997, the following appeared in the Living Room
pamphlet:
"Writers are welcome to submit words on paper for inclusion herein, and/or
to record their words on tape for the mix-meister (that's the DJ to you) to
play with as they see fit."

As you can see, while Jarvis was taking the opportunity to do a few poster
paint potato prints, I was doing a bit of research for my projected
sub-Looper recording. I thought the booklets would have got lost in the
move, and that I'd have to use a compilation of Alistair's e-mail messages
instead, but I found them. Magic!

Jose Antonio Camacho

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From PKHINTZ at xxx.com  Sat Jul 11 13:06:25 1998
From: PKHINTZ at xxx.com (PKHINTZ at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:06:25 EDT
Subject: Sinister: change in the weather
Message-ID: <bcec7010.35a75542@aol.com>


	As for a change in musical direction for Belle and Sebastian's new album, if
you listen to _Dog on Wheels_, _Tigermilk_, and _IYFS_, the songs always sound
like Stuart M's guitar with the added bits of the band.  However from _LLPJ_
and _3.. 6.. 9.._ and the radio sessions of the new album tracks on, the songs
sound as if the band has been writing these together, composing their "finely
knit musical sculptures" or whatnot as a group.  Seems to me that the new
album should be nothing to be frightened of--if it does frighten you, leave
the light on as you listen to it and hug your teddybear.  :-)    

	And, it does seem that "The Loneliness of the Middle-Distance Runner" is not
on the new album.  Will it be properly released as a b-side in the future?  I
read the short story by Alan Sillitoe called "The Loneliness of the Long-
Distance Runner" a few weekends ago.  It inspired me to start running again,
even if it seems the only result is that I repeatedly have to hear a slight
thud as my sneakers hit the asphalt and I lose my breath.  Then I take a nap
to compensate for all the expended energy.  ;-)
	
		Living and loving
				Matthew
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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Sat Jul 11 14:46:26 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:46:26 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Putting about 30,000 bloody books back on the shelf.
Message-ID: <35A76CB1.77FE@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>


On my luncbreak, after doing the stocktake at two branches of Books etc
all morning while the rest of you leap around naked in same torrid pagan
ritual atop Primrose hill chanting, "We are the lovely Belle and
Sebastian massive having a wonderfull time 'cos Rory's not here." 
 Grrr.. Just don't think I haven't cottoned on. (Will try to see you in
the P!U!B! later though.)

 The tape shrub is indeed a idea of almost intergalactic goodness.
Already through list recommendations I have picked up albums by Galaxie
500 and The Go-betweens (and loved 'em) so any further expanding of my
aural horizons would be greatly appreciated. Although, reading back, it
does sound rather painful.

 On a indie eclectisism tip, can I just say that last weeks 'Scientific
American' carried the headline: "Magnetic Fields build computer from
drops of water" which I found rather unbelievable actually. Still it
just goes to show where lowfi breakbeats can get you and it's nice to
know what the lad Merrit's been up to recently. Probably turn out to
have been the Duke's idea all along though.....

 New album, raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy!!!!!!!!!!!

 StayOutOfTheRainKiddiesRoryxxx

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From 'James Errington' <james at xxx.com>  Sat Jul 11 16:09:40 1998
From: 'James Errington' <james at xxx.com> ('James Errington' <james at xxx.com>)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:09:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Hello
Message-ID: <E0yv11G-0000so-00@serv1.is2.u-net.net>


Hi - this is the first mailing list I've been on as I'm new to the internet and all 
that, so I thought I'd introduce myself.

I'm 18 (19 on the 23rd) and sitting at home without a job waiting to go to 
university. I've got loads of projects to keep me busy, though. Also I run a 
fanzine called 'Blue Glow' and I'm always on the lookout for any interesting 
pieces of writing on music, so if you send me something good I'll send you a 
copy. ....And I like this idea of a circular tape exchange.

I've liked B&S since (like many of you, probably) Mark Radcliffe started 
playing 'The State I Am In' (what seemed like) every day. And I've really 
loved them since their session when Mark Lamarr was filling in for him. What 
I really love about them is that their music is so empathetic - it tries to 
understand rather than making judgements. 

Well, hello again, but goodbye for now.

PS - Re: Elvis (in 'A Century Of Elvis') being a cat. I didn't realise this until 
my 12 year old sister heard it and pointed it out to me. Makes you think, eh?
Manipulating you illicitly since 1979
James Errington
EMail james at twopounds.u-net.com
Tel/Fax (01905) 25309
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Sat Jul 11 17:05:44 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:05:44 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Kinks & Belle   Ray DaviES & Stuart DaviD  (band similarities)
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On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, duke of harringay wrote:

(various things about the kinks, all of which are absolutely spot on).

so, everybody. would a zombies compilation be worth 7-99 of my money. the
only song i know at the moment is time of the season, and that's pretty
monstrously good, with its chook -aaah... bit.

a neuter espadrille

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Sat Jul 11 17:07:12 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:07:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
In-Reply-To: <35A72287.BB7ABAC9@lineone.net>
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On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, duke of harringay wrote:

> 
> one of my biggest regrets is not turning down the opportunity to be a
> prefect. 

i did, but rather belatedly (last few weeks). and i was just sulking.

espadrille


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From mick at xxx.com  Sat Jul 11 17:46:10 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:46:10 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Tape Trees/My Last day as a teenager
Message-ID: <35A796D2.9005E04A@indiepop.com>


Hello there Sinisterines,
	I have been oogling the idea of a tape tree. It appeals quite well to
me, I must say. I wholly adore making tapes, and people usually say I
make pretty good ones, packed with not a shabby amount of P!O!P!. I had
initially gotten confused, though, on the way we're going to be handling
the tree. Is it to say that every person will be required to make a new
tape every other week? I think the newer impression that I got was that
we'd each make one shining, brilliant, gorgeous mixtape (in our opinion
of gorgeous, brilliant, and shining) and then toss this into the mail
(or the post ;) and sit by our mailbox until we got a tape from another
tape forester. Then we'd dub ourselves a copy of the new tape, toss it
into the mail, and wait for another? Is that close to being correct?
	Also, a couple logistics of the thing are bothering me. Should we set
the gain extra-high to compensate for the quietness of the copies?
Wouldn't that also distort the sound quality a bit much? Should we find
a nice, high-quality cardboard box so that the person who gets the
mixtape only has to pay for postage, and not the purchase of a new
package? Hm, I just remember I have a nice shiny blue packet that I
rescued from the trash at my radio station.
	Anyway, as the subject header says, today is my final day as a
teenager. Yes, I turn 20 tomorrow, that being July the twelfth. In fact,
some thousands of years ago tomorrow, a small child was born, and they
named him Julius Caesar. In 1978, a similar birthing happened, whereby a
perhaps less memorable person was born. Hm. So yes, I'm mentally
preparing to leave my teens and enter my tweens (not a twee reference,
but in fact a literary one). I woke up this morning with a headache, a
pain in my neck, and feeling horribly tired, despite the fact that I'd
slept in. I hope that doesn't speak for the years to come. A portent of
sorts =(  Anyhoo, I ordered myself a brand new CD Recordable for my
computer, so maybe when that arrives it will make me feel better =P 
Well, I must hop into the shower, as a friend called and asked if I'd go
eat lunch with him. Maybe the day won't be as bad as it begun...oh,
knock on wood ;)
 
 /"\_/"\_/"\    Mick McMick - mick at indiepop.com - ICQ#5056758
 \         /    Sandcastle Records - sandcastlerecords at indiepop.com 
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  |       | 
  |       |     "Everyone has their own cup of tea.  
  |       |          Some just happen to like a lot of sugar in it!" 
  |       |               - Me!
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Sat Jul 11 19:42:39 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:42:39 +0200
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
Message-ID: <01bdacfb$ae9c75a0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


Alistair's corrective institution:

>oh it doesn't say Arab Strap at all... it says 'Shaz' and 'Boyzone', and
>'NC Loved Me', the bloke is just LISTENING to Arab Strap. You get an 'F'
>for your critical appraisal.

An 'F'! Lawks-a-lummy! Me Dad'll kill me, sir!

If you go across the fields from Blackfordby to Moira you have to cross a
wooden bridge with "(so and so) broke my heart on (such and such a day)"
written on it. I bet whoever carved that knicked the idea as well...OR WAS
IT THE OTHER WAY ROUND?

>that's exactly what Isaac said about the experience.

He's great, one of the greatest - " One of the greatest pains a man can
experience is to lose his better half...When you lose your better half,
things ain't the same no more..."

>> The
>> teacher must have thought I was a complete twat.
>
>ah, some things never change, do they?

I don't know what the teachers think of me now. One of them, Mister Mitchell
(!) is now the mayor of Ashby, and when I was back recently Mister Bostock
said hello to me on the bus, but he never taught me anyway, so he wouldn't
know any better. I also saw the old headmaster, Mister Herbert, since
retired, in a pub one night, and you'll never guess what? He was with a
young bit of totty, a sprightly little filly half his age, whom he called
"my flower"! In public! I got the impression he was doing a bit of
playacting, just to impress me. And it bloody well worked...oh well, I got
to walk right through a group of four girls in bikinis this afternoon, it
was just like Eddie Kidd going through a wall of fire on his motorbike.

The panel of judges have decided that Katrina can play the Kudos Kontest
after all, as she seems to be the only one making any real effort so far.
Well done, Katrina, you're looking unstoppable at the moment. Surely someone
can do better?

Peter

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From el0007 at xxx.edu  Sat Jul 11 19:51:25 1998
From: el0007 at xxx.edu (Erin Lewis)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:51:25 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Tape Tree - rules, schmules (bleccch!)
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From itstrue at xxx.net  Sat Jul 11 23:02:29 1998
From: itstrue at xxx.net (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:02:29 -0400
Subject: Sinister: No good reason for it
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>Maybe this is old news but at the record store I work at we called
>Matador and they said the new B&S will be relesed September 3rd.

In all my years of working at record stores, there was only one, ONE, record that wasn't released on a Tuesday and that was Van Halen's F.U.C.K., which was released on a Monday, and that was only because they wanted to give it an extra day of sales so it would debut at #1 (it did, if you're curious).

So I'm going to tell you what I told (what feels like) millions of customers over the years: new releases, in the United States (in all 50 states at the same time, mind you), come out on TUESDAYS.  Always.  Unless it's an independent release, in which case it's release date is the time when the most organized member of the band manages to get it consigned.  

So, since we were told (we were) that the record will be released on the 7th (the 7th being a Monday, Monday being the traditional new release day in the U.K.), we could probably assume that the new B&S album will be released in the U.S. on Tuesday, the 8th of September.  But I guess we'll all just have to wait until Katrina sets us straight.

>As for a change in musical direction for Belle and Sebastian's new album, if
>you listen to _Dog on Wheels_, _Tigermilk_, and _IYFS_, the songs always sound
>like Stuart M's guitar with the added bits of the band. 

Gotta disagree with you on the Tigermilk one there.  Some songs do sound like that (Expectations), but songs like "Mary Jo" and "My Wandering Days Are Over" are practically Pet Sounds outtakes.  But maybe you're not talking about production, so I'll just shut up...

But it does bring up a question I've been wanting to ask...my friend and I have a theory that the reason that Tigermilk has so many more elements and instruments is because, since they weren't paying for the studio and the record release, they could take their time and produce it more, but when they got around to making IYFS, they had more budget and time constraints and therefore had to make a, um, leaner album.  Is this true, or was the sparseness of IFYS an artistic decision?  Which wouldn't surprise me...I think I'm the only person on this list who prefers IYFS to Tigermilk (but just barely).

Beginning to worry about my cat,
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From johnj at xxx.com  Sat Jul 11 20:09:24 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:09:24 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Chihuauauas or whatever
References: <t2keiDAZxkp1EwDy@elsato97.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <35A7B864.1ED2@seahouses.u-net.com>


Sarah wrote:

> Perfection As A Hipster <Andreas.Hering at stud.uni-hannover.de> writes
> >"Funny Old World" (Buba & The Shop Assistants)
> 
> I just thought I'd like to see that again. Buba. *snigger*

well, when I was in the 4th year at school, me and Martin Jones used
to go through the Rhythm Records mail order catalogue religiously,
highlighting records we wanted. in the middle of the catalogue was a
rarities section, something that was always in there was a record by
Buba and the Shop Assistants called 'Something to do' (I think), it
was always between 15 and 30 quid. We never ever heard it, and at that
time we were never rich enough to spend that much on a 7" single.

Has anyone heard it? Who was/were Buba? 

Martin had the original red sleeve 'All Day Long' EP but I only had
the blue sleeve reissue. 'I Don't Want To Be Friends With You' is good,
as is 'Safety Net'. I believe the album was rereleased on CD recently,
it's good too and contains gems like 'Train From Kansas City'.

Cheerio!

JJ
x

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From Ociosoig at xxx.com  Sat Jul 11 23:34:11 1998
From: Ociosoig at xxx.com (Ociosoig at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:34:11 EDT
Subject: Sinister: No good reason for it(tiger)
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i'm beginning to get jealous because everyone's hear tiger's milk but me......
i want it to be re-released....soon!    later.
-a.james
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From mctag at xxx.com  Sat Jul 11 23:36:08 1998
From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:36:08 GMT
Subject: Sinister: my last word on the subject
Message-ID: <35aee7a0.7897280@post.demon.co.uk>


Tag wrote:

>In response to Andreas, who has taken it upon himself to badmouth me
>snidely and self-righteously, which comes as quite a shock, given the
>good-natured conversations we've had in the past, can I just apologise
>once again for being unable (unavoidably) to meet him in Sweden in
>April and hope this wasn't the real motivation for his rather hurtful
>and unfounded remarks about "stepping stones" and "cliqueyness".

Apparently this paragraph has caused some offence, and therefore I
would like to apologise to Andreas for it.  I would I also like to
apologise to anyone who is wondering what I'm on about, and assure you
that normal service will be resumed as soon as possible.

Love tag x
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From tinystar at xxx.com  Sun Jul 12 02:56:48 1998
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:56:48 -0400
Subject: Sinister: the second degree burns + zombies
Message-ID: <v01540b00b1cdc6f0a494@[172.16.1.128]>



>so, everybody. would a zombies compilation be worth 7-99 of my money. the
>only song i know at the moment is time of the season, and that's pretty
>monstrously good, with its chook -aaah... bit.

I have no clue about any other Zombies things, but when I saw Tanya Donelly
play in Toronto, she covered Time of the Season, and WHOO! was it ever
good, with her breathy 'aaah' bits.  She also hugged me and I also took
photos of her, but that's neither here nor there.

jessicaxo

ps. I'm sufferring miserably from a sunburn which has been identified
formally as a second degree burn.  So I followed everyone's advice and
applied aloe religiously, and then I had a hypersensitive reaction to the
*aloe*, for heaven's sakes.  So I'm slathered with Noxzema and listening to
IYFS overandoverandover, planning my packing list for my trip to Boston for
which I'm leaving on Tuesday for 3 weeks and I'm staying with my mad crush!
I suppose things aren't so bad, at least I'll have someone to assist with
the Noxzema application....

*****************************************************************
Someone had spied on us, I suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the
sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or Coca-Cola but hot milk out of a
thermos.
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From Kayemess at xxx.com  Sun Jul 12 04:20:58 1998
From: Kayemess at xxx.com (Kayemess at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:20:58 EDT
Subject: Sinister: blahblahblah
Message-ID: <74d7bddb.35a82b9b@aol.com>



  The tape trade idea is perfect.  I'm glad rules have been set up.  Now can
we request people for our circle of tape traders, like picking teams in PE
class?  Someone mentioned Bedhead, and I definitely want to be in on that
square of traders.

  I am meeting my list crush in New York City in two weeks.  Someone cheer for
me.

  A second degree sunburn is the worst thing I can think of.  That's why I
haven't had a tan in six years.

  All of my friends are on vacation.  I'm really bored.

  Love to all,
  Kristen
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From tdzF94 at xxx.edu  Sun Jul 12 05:40:34 1998
From: tdzF94 at xxx.edu (The Trainspotter)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:40:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: lyrics quiz!
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ok, so someone who is a friend of a friend just e-mailed me and said - I
heard you listen to a lot of brit shtuff - guess these lot - alas, i'm
bored - and therefore my mind has gone blank - the second i'm thinking is
elvis costello but since I haven't listen to him in oh, 5 hours I could be
wrong - any guesses?  


'As the sun hits, she'll be waiting
With her cool things and her heaven
Hey hey lover you still burn me
You're a song yeah, hey hey'


'Now there's a tragic waste of brutal youth
Strip and polish this unvarnished truth
The tricky doorway, gapes beneath the raged noose
The cripled verdict begs again for the lamest excuse.'

secondly, what ever happened with the NY picnic?  (any other nj kids out
there?)

thirdly, what is it about B&S and ex-boyfriends?  mine got me into B&S
right when IYFS got promo released to the radios (I think about a month or
so before it's actual release) - he was music director of a station and
had the decency to give me a copy upon a very romantic trip to vermont's
nature (or something like that) - alas, it was the one decent thing he did
- his birthday was some 2 months later and I got him B&S singles on import
(special ordered mind you) - a will self book - and then a week later
decided he was a bad boyfriend and promptly dumped him.  he still doesn't
talk to me !  but then again he does have all the singles now... sigh...

ms. teri, aka track 3 de 3..,6..,9..




http://hampshire.edu/~tdzF94/ -  Inspired by the writings of the 
eighteeth century Venetian gambler, eroticist and spy.

"The day didn't go too well. Too many chocolates and cigarettes, I kept
thinking of you and almost walking into lampposts." Pulp

"I may sit in a bar where the cocktails are
but I really don't feel like talking
I ride around and let the darkness fall
'cause I've got a sense of perfection
and nothing else makes sense at all."

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Sun Jul 12 09:41:52 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:41:52 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: No good reason for it
In-Reply-To: <007901bdad17$cff47740$e5b20c26@reid-dossinger>
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I think I'm the only person on this list who
> prefers IYFS to Tigermilk (but just barely). 


no, you're not. so do i. and i happen to think that the songs on
3..6..9... are the best so far, which earned me much deriison at the
cambridge picnic-thing.

espadrille


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From Andreas.Hering at xxx.de  Sun Jul 12 11:33:23 1998
From: Andreas.Hering at xxx.de (Perfection As A Hipster)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:33:23 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Sinister: Zombies / Buba / Fun While It Lasted
Message-ID: <199807121033.MAA06063@studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de>


Espadrille wrote ...

>so, everybody. would a zombies compilation be worth 7-99 of my money. the
>only song i know at the moment is time of the season, and that's pretty
>monstrously good, with its chook -aaah... bit.

No, you should start with the _Odessey And Oracle_ CD reissue which does not
only feature "Time Of The Season", but is in my humble opinion one of the
most wonderful albums recorded in the Sixties. I won't even start to
describe the sheer brilliance of this P!O!P! masterpiece, since I'd be bound
to fail ... maybe it's sufficient to say that "Time Of The Season" is one of
my less favourite tracks on the album, although I love it nonetheless.

John JJ wrote ...

>Buba and the Shop Assistants called 'Something to do' (I think), it
>was always between 15 and 30 quid. We never ever heard it, and at that
>time we were never rich enough to spend that much on a 7" single.
>
>Has anyone heard it? Who was/were Buba?

Buba & The Shop Assistants featured only David Keegan of the band
subsequently simply known as The Shop Assistants. Buba was an alias for Aggi
Pastel and Stephen Pastel contributed some instrumentation as well. The
"Something to do" 7" is one of the many lost masterpieces which will most
probably never be reissued. Maybe I'll find some space to include it on the
Eighties P!O!P cassettes mentioned a couple of days ago which will possibly
crop up in the tape tree thingie.

Fun While It Lasted ... well, if you read thus far you either care or must
be pretty bored. Either way, I'm sorry for any disturbance and irritation
caused on this mailing list, especially as regards my most recent mails
which seemingly involved some unhappy misapprehensions and were followed by
some, say, inappropriate presumptions. In any event, my sincerest apologies
... you know who you are. Anyone who'd like to keep in touch should e-mail
me privately under <v3bodnol at ulmo.stud.slu.se>. Maybe I'll resubscribe
sometimes in the future after refreshing my language skills. §;^D

Seriously, I wish everyone a lovely summer full of happiness, joy and some
decent P!O!P! music consumption. 

"The Last Bandit" (Nikki Sudden)

Andreas

The rain it raineth on the just
And also on the unjust fella
But more upon the just because 
The unjust steals the just's umbrella

(Charles Baron Bowen)

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From johnj at xxx.com  Sun Jul 12 10:37:35 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:37:35 +0100
Subject: Sinister: heads up, mind that blast
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Kayemess at aol.com wrote:
 
>   I am meeting my list crush in New York City in two weeks.

I am meeting my list crush at Manchester Airport this Thursday
at 6am

JJ
xx

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From biondino at xxx.com  Sun Jul 12 22:47:51 1998
From: biondino at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:47:51 -0700
Subject: Sinister: List crushes
Message-ID: <35A92F07.233D@dial.pipex.com>


While I'm sure all those who read my postings admire and respect me, none of you have yet made clear any more,
shall we say, fundametal feelings - I'm waiting to hear from you...

You don't count, Elfie. Cos you have the nose of a ninety-year-old French peasant after a lifetime of
antifreeze and bad gruyere.

The only crush I have is on little Nickie Dastoor - I only wanted to duff him up as an excuse to feel his lithe
young form.

So make David Kitchen a very happy man - everyone knows that the list should be no more than a dating agency,
so it's up to you all to stop pretending you're interested in no-mark indie bands and get horrrny...

p.s. this posting is tongue in cheek - or at least that's what I'm hoping (rrrrrrr, ladeez)

Biondino el studmuffin

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From alerche at xxx.net  Sun Jul 12 17:01:21 1998
From: alerche at xxx.net (Andre Vieira)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:01:21 +0200
Subject: Sinister: New Belle and Sebastian album! Woohoo!
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980712180121.006e6a70@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net>


Almost a week ago Stuart Gardiner suggested:

>> The band will be touring around the world to support this album.  The
>> individual dates are still yet to be confirmed, however the pattern is
>> looking like this:
>> 
>> 31/08 - 12/09   UK gigs
>
>Hey shame, my summer job finishes on 29/08... Then I've got a month off...
>Anyone fancy hiring a camper van and following them round the country?

I've got an Europass and pretend to use it mostly to follow B&S around
Europe during September and October.  But the idea of a camper van full of
happy bunnies sounds much nicer, even if it's just for the UK gigs.  I
don't know if you're really serious about it, Stuart; but if you are, count
me in it!

Anxious for September,

Andre.

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From alerche at xxx.net  Sun Jul 12 17:01:40 1998
From: alerche at xxx.net (Andre Vieira)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:01:40 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Yeah, I don't know
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I was listening to "You're Just A Baby" earlier today and I heard this
funny "yeah" that I hadn't noticed before.  It's around 1:37 min of the
song, right before Stuart M starts singing the chorus "There must be a
reason..." for the 2nd time.

It reminded me of the odd "I don't know" at the end of "Photo Jenny".

Andre.

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From twinkle at xxx.net  Sun Jul 12 18:49:51 1998
From: twinkle at xxx.net (petula)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:49:51 GMT
Subject: Sinister: lyrics quiz! & other stuff
Message-ID: <199807121749.RAA26772@trapdoor.aracnet.net>


At 12:40 AM 7/12/1998 -0400, The Trainspotter wrote:
>
>ok, so someone who is a friend of a friend just e-mailed me and said - I
>heard you listen to a lot of brit shtuff - guess these lot - <snip>
>'As the sun hits, she'll be waiting
>With her cool things and her heaven
>Hey hey lover you still burn me
>You're a song yeah, hey hey'
>

Erp, I'm showing my shoegazing roots by admitting to this-- but it's
Slowdive. And the last line is "You're a sun yeah, etc.". I must admit, I
remember how lovely it sounded when I saw them at the Ontario Place Forum
(before the stupid Molson Amphitheatre took its place, and incidentally the
Spice Girls played there last night!), it's outdoors on the lake's edge and
it was gorgeous. 

Mark wrote:

>So make David Kitchen a very happy man - everyone knows that the list
should be >no more than a dating agency, so it's up to you all to stop
pretending you're >interested in no-mark indie bands and get horrrny...

For those truly serious about ending those lonesome Friday nights, you must
consider coming on #sinister. Just think--no need for that tiresome toilette
routine. You could be sitting in front of your pooter dressed in nothing but
a Color Me Badd t-shirt and no one would know! All it takes it a bit of your
natural born wit and nimble fingers, and you'll find loads of Sinisterines
just waiting to get saucy. Why, just the other night the subject line was
"There's a party in Keith's pants and you're all invited". Phwoooaar! 

Espadrille wrote:

>so, everybody. would a zombies compilation be worth 7-99 of my money. the
>only song i know at the moment is time of the season, and that's pretty
>monstrously good, with its chook -aaah... bit.

I've noted the few suggestions so far, and they were all good. I'd say the
recent box set put out by Big Beat is the best value though. For roughly $90
Canadian you get 4 discs, with basically everything they've ever recorded,
including those bonus tracks on the German version of Odyssey & Oracle, as
well as BBC sessions and outtakes. The highlights for me include a full band
version of "The Way I Feel Inside" (which is normally a capella) and their
dreamy, gorgeous version of "The Look Of Love". And the liner notes are pure
class-- they got the band together to give a 90's perspective on every song.
Plus, in the back page is an address where you can write away for a free
Zombies fanzine which is packed with real clippings and fan letters from the
Philippines from the 60's! Umm, yes, I do love the Zombies.

Lastly, I would just like to say a few words about some of the recent list
brouhahas which some of you may or may not be aware of. I think it would be
sound if everyone took what each other was saying with a grain of salt. We
have to remember that typing is a very literal format. No jovial facial
expressions or hand gesticulations to give perspective. I say this because a
listee has been quite upset by having their words twisted around, by someone
who seems to find it impossible to be reasonable. Of course, if someone from
here writes you and says "your momma wears army boots", then that's another
matter. You should email Honey at once and he will dispatch Super Splatt to
the rescue.

Oh, and Peter Miller's Kraftwerk line was brilliant. 

love, elisabeth xoxo


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From honey at xxx.net  Sun Jul 12 19:11:25 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:11:25 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
Subject: Sinister: The Elm Lodge Housing Estate
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Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.96.980712185536.-407905B-100000@lust>


On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, petula wrote:

> Of course, if someone from
> here writes you and says "your momma wears army boots", then that's another
> matter. You should email Honey at once and he will dispatch Super Splatt to
> the rescue.

'deed I will.  Just to remind everyone: if anyone feels bad-mouthed here
then let me know rather than the list.  The fearsome Splat, who sadly has
but one "t", but looks like she has about eight, will be round to dispense
justice in catty style.  This list is not for personal comments, and
I'll be popping round on anyone who's rude to someone else - it's fine in
a pub, but not here as there's 515 of us listening, and probably yawning.
As always, let me add that this doesn't mean we can't express strong
opinions.  Have a think and you'll see there's a difference :)

For people who are after session tapes or copies of Tigermilk on tape (on
tape) please remember to see my WWW pages, specifically

	http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/faq.html

Someone incredibly nice volunteered, see, to organise this for you so you
don't have to ask the list :)  I've also set up a "news" page where I'll
put up the latest significant band news (tours, releases etc.) as soon as
it appears on the list, and as I'm slave to the rhythm it'll be pretty up
to date.  So if you want to know if venues have been arranged yet check
here first please before asking the list.  As soon as Katrina lets us
know on the list it'll be there.

I'm feeling a little grotty just now so I'm sitting at home on the sofa,
so can I have some jokes please (to me not the list :).  No! B&S 
limericks!  If you all tell me good limericks I will tell you the one I
made up for Hugh, who some of the old guard will remember from early days
of the list, when I was his best man.  The last few lines were:

"... was so big"
 That he bought it a wig"
 And it stood at the General Election"

I'm looking to Peter Miller to fill in the blanks.

Honey xxx

P.S. Linda just came home with two newts.  They are called Bob and Thelma.

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From HoleRole at xxx.com  Sun Jul 12 19:14:47 1998
From: HoleRole at xxx.com (HoleRole at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:14:47 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Which Kay Thompson? (I'll try to be sad either way)
Message-ID: <1c46dfbe.35a8fd18@aol.com>


>  She was Maggie Prescott  the fashion magazine editor in Funny Face and >one
of the few who could be noticed when next to Audrey Hepburn.  Please >honour
her passing fellow listees and Think Pink.
 
Was the Kay Thompson who just passed away also the writer of "Eloise", the
childrens book about a little girl living in the plaza hotel. I love that
book.
Anyone else ever read it? 

Illistrated childrens books are great (although now I use my younger sister as
an excuse to take them out of the library). Anyone ever heard of Graeme Base?
He's an Australian painter who's done some great work. I highly reccomend it
to anyone who enjoys that sort of thing (even if they have to use a younger
sibling or some other young child as an excuse to enjoy it).

											Sincerely, 
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From mctag at xxx.com  Sun Jul 12 19:12:42 1998
From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:12:42 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Yahoo!
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Dear Nicola,

Nice to hear from you at T in the park?  You said you'd get in touch
when you got back, did you enjoy it?  Were the bands good?  Who was
best?  Did you see Dave?  Was he wearing his Helen Love T-shirt?

Love Tag
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From HoleRole at xxx.com  Sun Jul 12 19:27:44 1998
From: HoleRole at xxx.com (HoleRole at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:27:44 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Tape Trees/My Last day as a teenager
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I'd like to wish Mick a very happy birthday! 
										-Aaron
p.s. this may look like a waste of space on the list but bear in mind that
it's a nice gesture and that it's nice to receive birthday greetings (even
when they're from perfect strangers).
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From mick at xxx.com  Sun Jul 12 19:46:37 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:46:37 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Tape Trees/My Last day as a teenager
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HoleRole at aol.com wrote: 
> I'd like to wish Mick a very happy birthday!
>                                                                                 -Aaron
> p.s. this may look like a waste of space on the list but bear in mind that
> it's a nice gesture and that it's nice to receive birthday greetings (even
> when they're from perfect strangers).

	Aw, thank you! Also, thanks to Espadrille for the e-mail birthday
wishes. I only wish I had around 50 poundcakes to share with you all.
Mmm....poundcake. Anyways, I just wanted to comment that this is the
nicest list of its size that I've ever been on =)  The other lists I'm
on would probably sniff their collective noses at me mentioning my
birthday. 
	If anyone is curious, my friends and I had a lovely night last night,
celebrating my last night as a teenager. We watched Pulp Fiction and a
tape of Black Adder episodes (brilliant) ate a goodly amount of
poundcake and pizza (well, THEY ate pizza, anyway) and got in my
parents' hot tub (ooo-er). We would have listened to some B&S, but no CD
player was within reach most of the night. Anyway, thanks for all the
birthday wishes =)
 
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From rewb2 at xxx.uk  Sun Jul 12 21:42:05 1998
From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (rob b)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:42:05 +0100
Subject: Sinister: lyrics quiz! & other stuff
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petula wrote:

> At 12:40 AM 7/12/1998 -0400, The Trainspotter wrote:
> >
> >'As the sun hits, she'll be waiting
> >With her cool things and her heaven
> >Hey hey lover you still burn me
> >You're a song yeah, hey hey'
> >
> 
> Erp, I'm showing my shoegazing roots by admitting to this-- but it's
> Slowdive. And the last line is "You're a sun yeah, etc.". I must admit, I
> remember how lovely it sounded when I saw them at the Ontario Place Forum
> (before the stupid Molson Amphitheatre took its place, and incidentally
the
> Spice Girls played there last night!), it's outdoors on the lake's edge
and
> it was gorgeous. 
> 

slowdive, yes, a truly wonderful band... well i thought so anyway.  it's
such a shame that those shoegazing bands (slowdive, telescopes, ride etc)
are scorned upon by almost everyone these days.  one of the first albums i
bought was 'just for a day' by slowdive, and it's really really lovely -
admittedly their final album, 'pygmalion' was very strange, but it had some
truly gorgeous moments on it as well.

i admit that the lyrics above look a bit lame, but when sung they sound
wonderful - plus you can't really hear the words properly, as with most of
their songs.  not that i'm saying that's necessarily a good thing, but if
the lyrics are dire it's sometimes a good idea.  i'd be the first to admit
that lyrics are important, and am often content with just reading the
lyrics to a song rather than listening to it, but some bands 'work' really
well even though you can't make out a single word (the cocteau twins for
example).  anyway, that song is called 'when the sun hits' and it's on
'souvlaki', which is a really nice album, with some gorgeously sad and
mellow songs like 'altogether', 'dagger', and 'here she comes' on.

mojave 3, which is neil and rachel's new band, is also fantastic.  i have
their album, 'ask me tomorrow', which is truly lovely and wonderfully laid
back in a country kind of way,  but i STILL haven't heard their new single.
 is it any good?  i saw them support for luna at the garage a couple of
years ago, and they were wonderful, as were luna.  that has to be one of my
favourite gigs ever.

i used to be on the slowdive and mojave 3 mailing list, but they weren't
nearly as nice as you lot :)  so i got bored and unsubscribed...

ah well, that's enough irrelevant shoegazing banter for one day

bye bye
rob xx
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Sun Jul 12 20:29:03 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:29:03 +0100
Subject: Sinister: lyrics quiz! & other stuff
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pet wrote...

>"There's a party in Keith's pants and you're all invited". Phwoooaar! 

please stop the Jazz Queens...
please....
else I sing the tune all day....

er, see you soon then Keith. Won't it get a tad crowded down there
though?
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 

boo-boo-be-do...
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From el0007 at xxx.edu  Sun Jul 12 22:34:37 1998
From: el0007 at xxx.edu (Erin Lewis)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:34:37 -0700
Subject: Sinister: another tape tree idea...
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From steve at xxx.uk  Sun Jul 12 22:50:41 1998
From: steve at xxx.uk (Steve Genge)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:50:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Mojave 3
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> mojave 3, which is neil and rachel's new band, is also fantastic.  i have
> their album, 'ask me tomorrow', which is truly lovely and wonderfully
laid
> back in a country kind of way,  but i STILL haven't heard their new
single.
>  is it any good?  i saw them support for luna at the garage a couple of
> years ago, and they were wonderful, as were luna.  that has to be one of
my
> favourite gigs ever.

The new single, which was meant as a kinda gentle reintroduction to the
band (so gentle no-one's noticed!) is a move away from the country
influences on the first album to an almost folk edge, obviously been
listening to Nick Drake or maybe even a certain bunch of Glasgow Popsters? 
One thing is for sure two of the four songs feature the trumpet prowess of
Mick "the lips" Cook as an added inducement to seek it out.

steve

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From mick at xxx.com  Sun Jul 12 23:08:49 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:08:49 -0400
Subject: Sinister: another tape tree idea...
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Erin Lewis wrote:
> another post.  Many people have e-mailed me with requests to be in on the
> Great Tape Trade.  It has occurred to me, through these notes, that many
> people have been alienated.  One list member, from Germany, wants to be in on
> the UK trade.  So do some Americans, and I haven't figured out how to make
> this work yet.  (Any ideas?  Anyone?)  Also what about the listees from
> Australia (my home away from home)?  If anyone wants to be involved, but I
> have excluded them for whatever reason, please let me know! 

	Well, here's an idea. Just have it be one big tape tree that reaches
the world round. Like a big continuous line of magnetically charged
ribbon encircling us all in its warm, fuzzy grasp. If there are people
willing to pay for extra postage, have them ferry copies
cross-continent. In other words, they may get a copy from an American,
but send a copy to the UK, and vice versa. This would help the German
listees and the Aussie listees and anyone else from outside the US or
the UK out, wouldn't it?

> please say so!)      List members who have notified me so far:  Jillian, Damon
> Seils, Allyson Wonderland, Nick Marino, Matt Lawrence, Brad Whiddon, Stuart
> Gardiner, Andre Vieira, Rob B, Joss Moorkens, and Northy (I think).  If you do
> not see your name on this list, then send me an e-mail. 

	Et moi, et moi, et moi. You didn't get my e-mail? For shame!

	Birthday Boy,	

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From goodforyoo at xxx.com  Mon Jul 13 00:06:47 1998
From: goodforyoo at xxx.com (milla-isobel gregor)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:06:47 PDT
Subject: Sinister: woods
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Is Mick mcmick's (happy bd by the wway) knock on wood comment a sly 
reference to the wonderful troutfishing in america by brautigan?
  anyone out there like Lamb?
Hellooo nyc peeps, lessavapicanickasssoon. wweekend of 25th/6th? ony 
abjections? write to me if you can makethis date,
milla-isobel.
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From rod at xxx.com  Mon Jul 13 01:42:01 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:42:01 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: T In The Park - Early Review
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Well, here's my story of what I got up to at T in The Park.

Day One - Me, my sister Ali, and her friend Fiona.
-------

Arrived at a leisurely hour on Saturday, and had a bit of a wander about
to see what was where, and that.  Nice day -- not *too* hot, but
pleasantly warm nonetheless.

Walked into the NME tent in time to catch the end of THE YOUNG OFFENDERS,
who were alrightish, although the sound was cack and you couldn't actually
hear any of the vocals.  But they did have two female backing singers
dancing away in the background, who were fun to watch. 

Popped into the Virgin Tea-Tent and had a cup of blackcurrant tea, whilst
checking my Hotmail account on their 'net link, before setting up the
default home page to point to my sister's website (http://hg4.com/bings/)

Went back into the NME tent to catch a bit of THEAUDIENCE, who were pretty
dire, but the lead singer's a little bit nice, albeit a right stuck-up
prissy madam.  Group of pissed blokes (well, it was 1:15pm by this stage)
have a rousing singsong of "Get yer tits out", before shouting the bizarre
heckle "Shake your shamis!" at the bemused girl.

Have a quick game of Downfall in the Double Six tent, before we split up -
Ali + Fi go to see Travis on the Main Stage, while I go to see RIALTO in
the tent.  And they were fucking marvellous.  Rod's Rules For Music #1:
The more drums the better.  And with two drumkits, Rialto could hardly
lose.  I'm definitely buying the album when it comes out tomorrow.

Have an icecream, then watch ULTRASOUND.  When the band walk onstage,
no-one notices.  They don't look like rockstars - more like roadies.  Then
the enormous Tiny walks on, takes a photo of the crowd and everyone
cheers. Though Tiny gets all the attention in reviews and interviews, the
real stars of the band are the guitarist, who leaps around like the
rock'n'roll star he so obviously wants to be, and Vanessa, the bassist,
whose harmonies are what actually raise the songs from being completely
dreary, to slightly uplifting.

After they've done all their singles, I leave to have a look in the "Cafe
Club" tent, where Alan Parker - Urban Warrior is scheduled.  But first we
have to endure "comediennes" Viv'n'Jill, who I've seen dying on their arse
in Christies Pub in Edinburgh more times than I care to remember, try to
warm up the audience.  To no avail.  Everyone's too busy watching the
pissed bloke at the front who's making his own entertainment by having a
one-man Mexican wave.

Alan Parker doesn't fair much better - crowd doesn't respond much to him,
he stumbles over his jokes (which haven't changed much since I last saw
him 4 years ago) to "deflect" heckles, and the pissed bloke in the front
tries to enter into an animated debate (which I think was actually
intended as support) with him, until security come to the rescue.  The
biggest laugh was for some random guy who walks across in front of the
stage, and drops the hood on his jumper to reveal a big plastic Elvis
"wig".  I leave at this point to meet up with Ali + Fi. 

Meet Ali who says that Fi is at the very front of the crowd at the Main
Stage, so we elbow our way through the crowd (surprisingly easy) to the
strains of SPACE.  Now, I'm not much of a fan of Space on record, but they
weren't all that bad live.  I caught the last half-hour of their set,
which meant I got quite a few songs I knew, including the finale when
Cerys out of Catatonia came on to do the duet.

So then we stand around for half an hour, waiting for ROBBIE WILLIAMS,
while I get dogs abuse from a group of pissed women because I am a) 6ft
tall b) A bloke and c) In front of them for Robbie.  I ignore them. 

Now, if you took the BBC's Light Entertainment department, and drained
every last ounce of entertainment out of every last one of their staff,
you would not even get close to the amount of entertainment value crammed
into Robbie Williams.  He sings, he dances, he does comedy poses, he tells
jokes, he hands his backstage pass to a member of the audience. And,
quite frankly, he kicks botty.  Totally excellent, even if I was spending
most of the time trying to help the teenage girls who'd been crushed over
the barrier to safety.

Time for a change of pace, so I went off to see SPIRITUALISED.  And a
complete mind-fuck that was.  Most songs can have a quiet bit and a loud
bit, a fast bit and a slow bit.  But only Spiritualised play all these
parts at the same time.  Somehow, the music makes it hard to keep my eyes
open.  I stand, swaying, eyes shut, taking in every beat.  And all I'd
consumed was a couple of pints of Tennents!  Sheer class.  I don't notice
time going by - after 45 minutes, I glance at my watch and realise that I
should be meeting the girls now!

Rush across the park to meet up with Ali + Fi again, and watch the start
of THE PRODIGY on the main stage.  Who were absolutely shite, in my
considered opinion.  The music sounded *exactly* the same as it does on
record, the only difference being that the lyrics were being shouted
louder, and with more swearing.  It was like a karaoke session in a
tourettes ward.

So we headed off to catch the last half of ASH, and boy am I glad we did.
The tent was half empty, but the music was great.  All the hits, a couple
of new ones, and I got to jump around like a loon in a relatively open
space.  The first time I saw Ash was at TitP'95, the day before 'Girl From
Mars' got into the Top 10.  And they've come light years from there.  A
great end to the night.

(Oh, and I spotted my favourite T-shirt of the weekend.  Front: CELINE
DION...  Back: SUCKS FARTS OUT OF DEAD CATS)

So home, to a hot shower and a warm bed.  Hurrah!


Day Two - Me, Ali + Fi, plus Kim and Helen, two more of Ali's chums
-------   (NB:  Miscreants:  It's Kim!)

Waken to the sound of rain.  Bugger.  It's pissing it down outside.  Rake
around house to try and find waterproof clothing.

Arrive, and the place is muddy.  OK, so people who went to Glastonbury
would look and scoff, but still a pain.  Daintily traipse through the
carpark, trying to avoid getting our feet too mucky.  Walk through the
gate, and admit defeat.  We're going to get muddy.

When we get in, THE SUPERNATURALS, who Ali really likes, are onstage, so
we head up for them.  They're alright, I suppose, but not really my cup of
tea.  It's like they've listened to Digsy's Dinner on the Oasis album,
and decided to record a load of songs based around that one idea.  But
they're ideal festival fodder - poppy and jump-aroundy.  Their biggest
cheer, however, comes when they announce that Chumbawamba have pulled out.

We all stand in the Radio 1 tent for a while, trying to warm up a bit,
before me, Kim + Helen go to watch STEREOPHONICS, who were surprisingly
good, I thought.  I'd never really bothered trying their singles, putting
them down as JustAnotherIndieGuitarBand, but they really were extremely
enjoyable live.  Further investigation of ther recorded material is called
for.

The ladies all decide to watch Finley Quaye (someone who Fi would later
spray with mud), but I consider him to be a dickhead of epic proportions,
so visited the Radio 1 tent once more for uk.misc favourites, GOMEZ.  Who
were wonderful.  3 lead vocalists, 4 guitarists, 2 bassists, 2 drummers
and a keyboardist - and there's only 6 people on stage.  ScaryVocalsMan
was incredible, and the tunes were ace - especially a much-speeded-up
version of 78 Stone Wobble which was fantastic, and the final Whipping
Picadilly which sounded like pure pop music on stage.

I attempt to fulfill my promise that I would watch half of Natalie
Imbruglia's set, but a dangerously over-crowded tent (5% fans of her
music, 94% blokes who want to see her tits, 1% people just desparate to
get out of the rain) means that we just leg it across to catch GARBAGE. 

For the first few songs that we saw, they didn't seem terribly on-form. 
While their cover of Big Star's Thirteen is very lovely as a B-side, when
you're stood in a wet field, covered in mud, you don't really want to hear
a twee tale about young love.  But Garbage deliver after all, with a
superb version of Stupid Girl, and many other singles, culminating in a
somewhat appropriate Only Happy When It Rains.  At which point, it stopped
raining.  Huzzah! 

My Stone Roses obsession causes me to force Ali + Fi to follow me to watch
IAN BROWN, but he proves to be disappointing.  But better than The
Seahorses, so that's alright!  Take a gander in the other tent at
CORNERSHOP who I thought were quite good (in a kind of droney stoned way),
but the girls thought was pish.  So we left. 

Finally, PULP on the main stage.  Playing a 6-year-old single (Do You
Remember The First Time) as your second song may seem a strange idea, but
it got the crowd in the appropriate mood to enjoy whatever he threw at
them - whether a Number One Hit Single, or a track of their latest
"unpopular" album.  The guy is a star, pure and simple.  And the mad crowd
singalong of the finale was a fitting end to the weekend.

So I'm now sat here at 1:30am, thoroughly de-mudded, with a cup of hot
chocolate, and can look back and say it was faboo.

Just thank God I wasn't camping.


Rod.

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From parachute at xxx.net  Mon Jul 13 02:59:12 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (brad)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:59:12 -0400
Subject: Sinister: 3 strings
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you all don't even know me. 
and you shouldn't take anything i say as gospel, because tastes vary.
and i know i talk a lot of rubbage,

but the best movie in the whole fucking world is "something about mary".

i just saw a sneak preview, and i can sum it up in one sentence:

	"the very first scene is jonathan richman siting in a tree playing a
song"

and he's in it more than that. he plays a pivotal role in the storyline.
he breaks in every now and again singing a song about what's happening.
yes, fred, THAT jonathan richman. the one and only.

and it's funny. so fucking funny. not leslie nielsen slapstick funny,
but funny.

i'm not talking funny. i mean shitting hilarious. i don't think i've
ever sent an email with so many curse words. 

and something happens to ol' jonathan in the end that will have you
rolling.

so do yourselves a favor and go see it when it opens up.

putting a sock in it,
brad
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From el0007 at xxx.edu  Mon Jul 13 04:31:37 1998
From: el0007 at xxx.edu (Erin Lewis)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:31:37 -0700
Subject: Sinister: tape tree #3 (gasp!)
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From mick at xxx.com  Sun Jul 12 18:24:11 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:24:11 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Lyrics & Fave B&S albums
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The Trainspotter wrote:
> 'As the sun hits, she'll be waiting
> With her cool things and her heaven
> Hey hey lover you still burn me
> You're a song yeah, hey hey'

	Sweetly, I want you
	You burn so fast it scares me
	It matterws where you aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare

	Yes, that would be my favorite Slowdive song, "When the Sun Hits,"
unless today escaping the term "teenager" has made me go batty. Well,
maybe I shouldn't say favorite. After all, "Losing Today" is quite
wonderful as well.
 
> 'Now there's a tragic waste of brutal youth
> Strip and polish this unvarnished truth
> The tricky doorway, gapes beneath the raged noose
> The cripled verdict begs again for the lamest excuse.'

	No idea on this one.

	I must also point out that I also prefer IYFS to Tigermilk. I recall
the first time I heard "The State I Am In," probably a fourth generation
copy. I just kept thinking "THIS is the band everyone's on about?" I was
pretty unexcited by that song and the other one I'd heard from
Tigermilk. Later two people independently taped me songs from IYFS and I
was not moved much. However, I grew to like them a bit more, and when we
got IYFS in at my radio station, I'd had enough time to become familiar
with three or four of the songs, and I was feeling down, so the album
was like an epiphany. I went out and bought it the next day and I've
been happy ever since. Some nice fellow taped me the entirety of
Tigermilk (without previous warning too) and I listened to it in its
entirety three or four times. I didn't feel particularly compelled to
hear it much more, and when I did I couldn't find it. So now I'm
basically without Tigermilk. I think if I gave it a chance, it would
grow on me, but I don't have a copy, so I guess I'll wait until the
reissue.
 
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From IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es  Mon Jul 13 08:40:05 1998
From: IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jose_Maria_Sag=FAillo_=28hijo=29?=)
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Subject: Sinister: Piedra de Huevo
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Last night Eggstone was playing here in my town. Great show. They're
ace. This week, Siesta Records here in Spain will realese a compilation
album with songs from their 4 albums and some lost songs (like Diesel
Smoke, one of my favourites). I Think eggstone is the best band in
sweeden..
  
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From aadam at xxx.com  Mon Jul 13 08:53:07 1998
From: aadam at xxx.com (AjAaDcAoMbs)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:53:07 -0500
Subject: Sinister: LBGP, Zombies, Kinks and what's good for ya.
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Since no one has chimed in on the Look Blue Go Purple query with any
depth, I shall undergo a brief synopsis.

They were so good!

Thank you, good night.


They put out three 12"EPs in the late '80's that were compiled onto one
CD in '91. The band was comprised of five women who have gone on to do
equally lovely yet unknown recordings (from memory: The 3D's, Chug, Dead
Pop Stars(?))
"Cactus Cat" is a good representation of their sound. Pretty yet subdued
harmonies, mid-tempos, "poetic" lyrics.
I imagine Flying Nun would still have copies of this lying around if
you're feeling ambitious.


I cannot recommend highly enough The Zombies "Odessey & Oracle." It's
one of those records I never put away (much like B&S records). And
compared with tracks like "Friends Of Mind" and "Changes" and "Care Of
Cell 44," "Time Of The Season" is almost throwaway (it's just my opinion
folks.) Strangely, I do not find their other recordings as appealing,
but that may cange when I (eventually) buy the box set.

Further echoing opinions of the Kinks: Yes Virginia, _Something Else_
and _Villiage Green..._ are most brilliant, but _Face To Face_ must be
mention with them. Furthermore, _Kontroversy_ has many undeniably
wonderful tracks. And the post-_Village..._ material is nothing to shake
a stick at either. My interest tends to wane at about '72. Isn't that
where Ray ends his stylisticly unique autobiography _X-Ray_? Hmmmm...
It's nice that all the stuff is being (once again) issued on CD. I'll
get to buy it for the third time. ~yay~

And kids, if you haven't bought your Snow Patrol singles yet, what're
you waiting for?! You won't know how much you're missing till you've
missed it.
[the previous advertisement was unsoliicited]

Aadam


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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Mon Jul 13 10:59:02 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:59:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: I'm going to get you, Dastoor
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Oh dear no picnic for me hungover again looking out at deluge outside
hope it was fun.  I promise I did not stay away through fear or being
hit or molested by Mark.  Did he transfer his affections to anyone
else, I wonder?  The little minx.  I have crushes on lots of listees,
but couldn't possibly spill beans.

Is it just me and my little pony or has Sinister got v.v. good
recently?  Some ripper postings from old and new members alike.  I say
ripper.  You say boss.  Ripper, boss.  Ripper, boss.  Let's call the
whole thing off.

What's this about the duke of haringey living in Devon?  I had no idea
he wasn't really a philanthopic artisocrat helping kids escape the
inner-city ghetto.  Next you'll be telling me Prince Charles isn't
Welsh.  And Burt Lancaster was American.  Anyway, can I third that
Kinks recommendation of his.  The Village Green Preservation Society
is wonderful and so is Arthur, despite what Uncut says this month.  Do
not buy the soundtrack to the Dudley Moore film of the same name,
however, as this is quite different and not good.  It might be P!O!P!,
but I don't know about such things. When I first heard 'The Stars of
Track and Field' I came over it.  No, sorry that's not right.  What I
meant to type was I came over all snooty and said to my friends "This
is a rip-off of Shangli-la by the Kinks", which it isn't and I now
feel like a silly boy for bunging up my ears with such
pseudopophistoriansnob rubbish.  Now I have seen the light and
cancelled my subscription to Mojo.

Shall we award a Belle and Sebastian golden shoe to the most
entertaining listee of the last month?  No, let's not.  My nominations
would be tainted by my crushes.  But I think the FIFA fair play award
should go to Peter Miller.


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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Mon Jul 13 11:01:13 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:01:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: New Belle and Sebastian album! Woohoo!
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Andre Vieira (alerche at altavista.net) wrote:


>I've got an Europass and pretend to use it mostly to follow B&S around
>Europe during September and October. 

Ooh it's such a dilemma for the modern age - should we or shouldn't we
report Andre to Interpol?  Or at least warn the band?

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From keith at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 13:26:09 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:26:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: My Iron Maiden top 10
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Here's my Iron Maiden top 10

1. 2 Minutes to Midnight
2. The Phantom of the Opera
3. The Trooper
4. Run to the Hills
5. Bring your daughter to the Slaghter
6. The number of the beast
7. Somewhere in time
8. Aces High
9. Can I Play with Madness?
10. Seventh son of a seventh son.



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From uczcvap at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 13:47:47 1998
From: uczcvap at xxx.uk (Vicky Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:47:47 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Picnic and ink polaroids
Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980713124747.2b07d814@pop-server.bcc.ac.uk>


I tried taking an ink polaroid of the London picnic on SAt. but it was the
first I'd done, so you could just make out a group of about 15 cold but
stuffed and getting pished bods in a circle under a few trees, while the
rain bucketed down on Primrose Hill and a few souls braving the weather
laughed at us while we fed their dogs sausage rolls and tourists took
photos. We survived outside for 2 hrs before decamping to the pub. which i
think was pretty impressive.

Many thanks to David and Katrina for their organisational skills, and Rory
for turning up in the pub later and suggesting we went to the Lava Lounge
after - Stuart and I had an evening of fun just observing how many people
in London have no individuality when it comes to dress sense whatsoever, or
taste!


Anyone fancy encorporating a picnic into the Finsbury Park gig the weekend
after next? 

Vicky

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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 15:33:57 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:33:57 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Picnic and ink polaroids
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Vicky Parkinson wrote:

> I tried taking an ink polaroid of the London picnic on SAt. but it was the
> first I'd done, so you could just make out a group of about 15 cold but
> stuffed and getting pished bods in a circle under a few trees, while the
> rain bucketed down on Primrose Hill and a few souls braving the weather
> laughed at us while we fed their dogs sausage rolls and tourists took
> photos. We survived outside for 2 hrs before decamping to the pub.

Arse and double arse. I got out of bed ridiculously late on Sat'day and then
miscalculated the time to get from Shepherds Bush to Camden, ended up getting
there at 2.20. As I had only bought a bottle of red wine, I thought I'd stop at
various emporiums to stock up. Being hungover from the night before, my
shopping faculties went slightly wonky, and I ended up with 6 of those Big Bud
things and a bottle of cherry vodka to compliment my Shiraz. Oh, and a derisory
showing in the snack department. It took me another half hour to find Primrose
Hill, the top of which was singly lacking in indie-folk folk. So, with my back
starting to give out, I found the quick way back towards the high street and
the Spread Eagle, wherein I proceeded to purchase a bottle of Staropramen,
mindful of the fact I had about 25 quids worth of booze in my rucksack, none of
which looked like regular pub booze. No-one B&S like in there (though christ
knows exactly who I was expecting to find) so, *sniff*, I went home.

If anyone on Primrose Hill sighted a slightly red-faced, lean, mean, six foot
tall person, bright blue tracksuit top and white v-neck T-shirt, light coloured
trews and brown boots, marching to the top of the hill, and marching
bloody-well back down again, well you had the chance to pull the trigger and
you blew it.



Stupid Turt

ps. No need to feel sorry for me. I had all the ammo I needed to get well
arseholed in Clapham that night.

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 15:44:24 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:44:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: My Iron Maiden top 10
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On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Keith Watson wrote:

> 
> Here's my Iron Maiden top 10
> 
> 1. 2 Minutes to Midnight
> 2. The Phantom of the Opera
> 3. The Trooper
> 4. Run to the Hills
> 5. Bring your daughter to the Slaghter
> 6. The number of the beast
> 7. Somewhere in time
> 8. Aces High
> 9. Can I Play with Madness?
> 10. Seventh son of a seventh son.
> 

bagsy i don't swap tapes with keith...

espadrille


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From Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 15:54:02 1998
From: Huw.Jenkins at xxx.uk (Huw Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:54:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: What a fool I am..
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Ian Tuton wrote:
>rse and double arse. I got out of bed ridiculously late on Sat'day and
then
>miscalculated the time to get from Shepherds Bush to Camden, ended up
getting
>there at 2.20. As I had only bought a bottle of red wine, I thought I'd
stop at
>various emporiums to stock up. Being hungover from the night before, my
>shopping faculties went slightly wonky, and I ended up with 6 of those
Big Bud
>things and a bottle of cherry vodka to compliment my Shiraz. Oh, and a
derisory
>showing in the snack department. It took me another half hour to find
Primrose
>Hill, the top of which was singly lacking in indie-folk folk. So, with
my back
>starting to give out, I found the quick way back towards the high
street and
>the Spread Eagle, wherein I proceeded to purchase a bottle of
Staropramen,
>mindful of the fact I had about 25 quids worth of booze in my rucksack,
none of
>which looked like regular pub booze. No-one B&S like in there (though
christ
>knows exactly who I was expecting to find) so, *sniff*, I went home.

>If anyone on Primrose Hill sighted a slightly red-faced, lean, mean,
six foot
>tall person, bright blue tracksuit top and white v-neck T-shirt, light
coloured
>trews and brown boots, marching to the top of the hill, and marching
:>bloody-well back down again, well you had the chance to pull the
trigger and
>you blew it.

I wouldn't feel too bad mate, I turned up on the Sunday.  Doh!
I'm such a bright young lad.
Huw.

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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 15:54:47 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:54:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: No good reason for it
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hello again,

Reid Dossinger wrote:
 
> >Maybe this is old news but at the record store I work at we called
> >Matador and they said the new B&S will be relesed September 3rd.

> So I'm going to tell you what I told (what feels like) millions of
> customers over the years: new releases, in the United States (in all
> 50 states at the same time, mind you), come out on TUESDAYS.  Always.
> Unless it's an independent release, in which case it's release date is
> the time when the most organized member of the band manages to get it
> consigned.
 
> So, since we were told (we were) that the record will be released on
> the 7th (the 7th being a Monday, Monday being the traditional new
> release day in the U.K.), we could probably assume that the new B&S
> album will be released in the U.S. on Tuesday, the 8th of September.
> But I guess we'll all just have to wait until Katrina sets us
> straight.

thanks reid ... i get really bored disclaiming everything everyone else
posts to the list, so it's nice to see someone else doing it for me! 
the album in the states will be released (if all goes to plan) on
TUESDAY september 8th ... thank you.

> But it does bring up a question I've been wanting to ask...my friend
> and I have a theory that the reason that Tigermilk has so many more
> elements and instruments is because, since they weren't paying for the
> studio and the record release, they could take their time and produce
> it more, but when they got around to making IYFS, they had more budget
> and time constraints and therefore had to make a, um, leaner album.
> Is this true, or was the sparseness of IFYS an artistic decision?

umm, have to disagree on this one.  tigermilk was recorded in three days
and i think the students at stow may have had a hand in the production
of the lp, which is why it differs to "..sinister".  stuart is very
particular when it come to production. he insists on doing it himself
and it often leads to the levels being all over the place as he refuses
to let any compression be added to the tracks at the mastering stage.  i
think the new album has a fuller sound to it because he has had the
experience of "...sinister" (which was recorded and mixed in 10 days)
and it parts it sounds quite lost and maybe even tinny (to my ears
anyway).  the new album took about 6 months to record and a further 6
months to mix and even though that may seem tedious and long-winded, the
album has definitely benefitted from the time spent in the studio, as it
sounds fantastic!  (sorry to keep going on about it everyone!)

that's it for me ... do you really want a track by track description of
the album?

cheers,
Katrina.

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From L.Kerr at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 17:01:02 1998
From: L.Kerr at xxx.uk (Linda Kerr)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:01:02 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Newts
Message-ID: <199807131501.QAA15175@punt1.hw.ac.uk>


Dear Sinster people

Those following the goldfish / newt story will be shocked to learn
that Bob and Thelma (or Smelly and Belly) have had their first row -
one newt has savagely attacked the other, attempting to chew it leg
off.  This is a plea for help.  Is this normal in newt circles? 
Should we separate them?  At the moment one newt is hiding under a
stone and the other roaming the tank with blood on its mind. 
HoneyPaul is watching anxiously.....

Any ideas, chaps?  What do we do?

Linda
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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Mon Jul 13 16:28:35 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:28:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: No good reason for it
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Katrina wrote:

>that's it for me ... do you really want a track by track description of
>the album?

Errm.. yeah, why not?

I am fed up with all this IYFS knocking.  It is the best album in the
world ever and much better than weedy old Tigermilk.

Nick, who is very glad he didn't go to the picnic now, as he too
thought it was on Sunday.  He and Huw could have had a two-man spaz
picnic of their very own, though.
___________________________________

Deep thought of the day:

We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at
them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me. 
___________________________________


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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Mon Jul 13 16:42:07 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:42:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Newt attack
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Linda pondered:

>Those following the goldfish / newt story will be shocked to learn
>that Bob and Thelma (or Smelly and Belly) have had their first row -
>one newt has savagely attacked the other, attempting to chew it leg
>off. This is a plea for help. Is this normal in newt circles? 
>Should we separate them? 

>Any ideas, chaps? What do we do?

Why not get HoneyPaul to vet all their actions for a month.  They post
their intentions to him and he replies yay or nay depending on the
level of hostility implicit in the action.

Alternatively, I did once hear that goldfish with whitespot or other
debiliating illnesses can be revived by removing them from the tank
and putting them in a saucer of brandy for a few seconds.  I don't
know if this is true, but if it is then it's bound to work with
warring newts as well.

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From uczcvap at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 17:45:41 1998
From: uczcvap at xxx.uk (Vicky Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:45:41 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Newts
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An upset Linda wrote

>Those following the goldfish / newt story will be shocked to learn
>that Bob and Thelma (or Smelly and Belly) have had their first row -
>one newt has savagely attacked the other, attempting to chew it leg
>off. 

 You have my utmost sympathy and I can only suggest seperating them and
playing hell with the person you bought them off. Are they the same size? I
know large goldfish bully the smaller ones in the tank, maybe it's the same
with newts. Any one who has been following the story probably will not be
shocked, and this just goes to illustrate that fish, amphibians and
reptiles are not good pets for children, the fainthearted or people who get
emotionally attached to their creature friends.

Does the whole world have similar pet crisis or do Belle and Sebastian do
something to their poor little brains?

I hope things turn out ok,

Vicky


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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Mon Jul 13 16:50:31 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:50:31 +0100
Subject: Sinister: mud in the park
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ok, i just got back from T in the Park to find 131 e-mails waiting which i
haven't read yet, So all i have to say for the moment is MUD. Mud mud mud
mud mud. Its everywhere. You know how if you go to the beach you come back
and for days afterwards you find sand emptying out from every orrifice?
well, its like that, but with mud.
i had to cut my boots off cus i couldn't get them off any other way. bah.
MUD!!

debbie x
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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 16:13:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:13:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: If You're Feeling a Sweaty Nutsack
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On the Kinks:
Til the End of the Day - top tune.

On the Zombies:
Great cover version of Summertime, although there is something
incongruous about white english public schoolboys singing it.

On the news of the sad death of Kay Thompson:
A sample of her voice (from the film Funny Face) can be heard
on the Momus penned and produced Laila France album.

On the gender of Espadrille:
No, I won't say anything out of fear of Splat being set on me.

On the Wicker Man soundtrack:
Not one to be influenced by as unreliable a source as a mailing
list, I went out and bought the Wicker Man soundtrack at the
weekend.  A recording of people walking up and down a gravel
path (with occasional folk songs in the background).

On Keith's Iron Maiden Top Ten:
So what happened to Children of the Damned?
Anticipation for the Bon Jovi top ten is mounting.

On cocktails named Tigermilk:
In light of this information perhaps the new album should be named after
a cocktail.  How about calling it Sweaty Nutsack? (recipe on request)

Kevan

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 17:27:21 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:27:21 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: If You're Feeling a Sweaty Nutsack
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On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Kevan Cooke wrote:
> 
> On the gender of Espadrille:
> No, I won't say anything out of fear of Splat being set on me.

shame. i'm looking forward to finding out.

(of course, it might be quicker just to look downwards to find out)

> On Keith's Iron Maiden Top Ten:
> So what happened to Children of the Damned?
> Anticipation for the Bon Jovi top ten is mounting.
> 
1 (wanted) dead or alive
2 living on a prayer
3 keep the faith
4 never say goodbye
5 you give love a bad name
6 social disease (no, it's awful. but i've run out of bon jovi songs i can
name.)

i still, and without irony, love the guitar solo on dead or alive.
i'd rate it just a level or two below the solo on the kinks' all of
the day and all of the night, which sounds as tho dave davies has
fallen down the stairs into a guitar shop. 

ohmigoodness. not a top ten guitar solos. we are rock. and there is no
hope for me.

a falling-to-pieces-cos-he-can't-finish-his-thesis espadrille

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From Mark at xxx.com  Mon Jul 13 18:06:41 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:06:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Gotcha, A.M. Horne indeed!
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Espadrille,

You let it slip, my friend - "can't-finish-HIS-thesis" indeed!

Still, it means I have to find another recipient for the lacy teddy and
knickers set I bought from that lingerie shop we were so kindly
introduced to - many's the evening when I'd try and picture Espadrille
in my minds eye, lingering over *her* cute curls - or trendy
be-hairgripped locks - and *her* slender waist and dinky ankles. What a
disappointment.

There goes one list crush - I just hope that no-one tells me Keith's a
bloke too.

Yours unrequited,
Il vostro Biondino tristissimo :(
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 18:22:45 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:22:45 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Gotcha, A.M. Horne indeed!
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On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Mark Casarotto wrote:

> 
> Espadrille,
> 
> You let it slip, my friend - "can't-finish-HIS-thesis" indeed!
> 
bugger.

> Still, it means I have to find another recipient for the lacy teddy and
> knickers set I bought from that lingerie shop we were so kindly
> introduced to - many's the evening when I'd try and picture Espadrille
> in my minds eye, lingering over *her* cute curls - or trendy
> be-hairgripped locks - and *her* slender waist and dinky ankles. What a
> disappointment.
> 
i still have cute curls, a slender waist and dinky ankles. tho i also have
some other bits you'd probably be less interested in.

> There goes one list crush - I just hope that no-one tells me Keith's a
> bloke too.
> 
no. he's a six-foot blonde mexican model.

> Yours unrequited,

long may it stay so...

> Il vostro Biondino tristissimo :(

espadrille

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From rob.dawson at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 18:23:35 1998
From: rob.dawson at xxx.uk (rob.dawson)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 18:23:35 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Newts
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Don't worry it's common Newt behaviour, the matting seasons been and gone and
now they have nothing left to do but fight.  By the way don't talk about it too
much as it's illegal to keep most newts! I have to African firebellied newts
and they're always at it, fighting I mean!  One usually starts to swallow the
other ones head before I take action.  Just make sure they are separated when
you feed them so that they are getting enough food each (the bigger one will
eat it all otherwise!)


Rob D xxx
P.S. Aren't I supposed to say something B&S related?
P.S. I just did so there!
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 18:32:28 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:32:28 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Newts
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On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, rob.dawson wrote:

> 
> Don't worry it's common Newt behaviour, the matting seasons been and gone and
> now they have nothing left to do but fight. 

so what happens after the matting season. perhaps the shag-pile carpet
season. that should make them feel more relaxed.


I have to African firebellied newts
> and they're always at it, fighting I mean!  One usually starts to swallow the
> other ones head before I take action.  Just make sure they are separated when
> you feed them so that they are getting enough food each (the bigger one will
> eat it all otherwise!)

surely the bigger one won't be able to eat all the food if it's got the
smaller one's head in its mouth. that begins to look to me like
intelligent posiitoning on the small one's part

sorry, i never say anythign b&s related. so, just for a change, i'd like
to say how wonderful the bit on the state that i am in (dog version) is
when stuart has
something in his throat and is all husky ('she was not impressed'. 


a butch espadrille

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From honey at xxx.net  Mon Jul 13 18:39:17 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:39:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Newts
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> P.S. Aren't I supposed to say something B&S related?

Yeah well you'll notice I did when I mentioned newts, but Linda failed
that test - think I'll chuck her off the list.  We could call the newts
"Bill" and "Sebast Ian" then she'd be in the clear.  I could on the
other hand make this a "Belle and Sebastian and Newts" mailing list,
crikey it nearly became a lemur one a few times.

Vicky and all thanks for your newt-based concern, the newts are
happier now and not eating each other; they seem to be intact, and
are swinging from the plants like monkeys.  Scary though, Big Thelma
is a greedy sod and Wee Bobbie looks a bit shaken.  Rob - I'm glad
there's another newt worrier on the list, Linda will be on for
advice.  I don't like the idea of separating them to feed though.
Hmm.  Still when you're feeling crap and got nothing better to do all
day but to sit around refereeing newt fights then I suppose it's time
well spent.

I did like Nick's idea though - a moderated newt tank.

I'm going to shut up about newts now.

unsubscribe sinister bob-n-thelma

Honey xxx

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Mon Jul 13 18:54:06 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:54:06 +0200
Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place
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Poundcake: Up until about three days ago I wouls have had no idea what this
was. But now I know that it's madeira cake. Dangerously tasty stuff,
available with slick production and great packaging throughout Central
Europe on the Mildred label, straight outta Germany, I believe. Well worth
investigation. Alternatively, bake your own cake in your bedroom!

List crishes: Mine's Elisabeth. And Andreas. Elisabeth told us some stuff
about the Zombies. If you're in need of something to read, here's the story
of Zombie Heaven:

http://www.acerecords.co.uk/gotrt/oct97/zombox7.html

It is a passionless discourse, but informative. At this point I would
normally claim that I prefer Argent to the Zombies, but I've never heard
them. But I have heard Colin Blunstone's version of "Say You Don't Mind" by
my favourite racing driver, Denny Laine. Which is blissful in the extreme.
Shame I haven't got it either. Come to think of it, I haven't got any
Zombies. I've got a crush on Andreas because of his nice summer wishes for
us all. The same to you, Andreas. We hope to have you back soon, refreshed
and reinvigorated.

But I have got some Kinks. On tape. Even hardened Viet-Kong veterans such as
myself are reduced to blubbering wrecks by the beautiful song "Do You
Remember Walter?". It's far too sad for human consumption. As is "Thirteen"
by Big Star, not really a twee tale about young love, at least not if you
believe what you're told. As I always do.

Roddd, you made me laugh today. I can't remeber why now, but it was funny.

I like to think that "Knock on Wood " was a sly reference to Brother Eddie
Floyd, who will be performing here soon. Unfortunately he's special guest
vocalist with the Blues Brothers band, so I don't think I'll be going. Then
again, it might be my only chance to be in the same room as one of the stars
of my favourite film ever, "Wattstax". It's a tricky one. I digress.

One last point: A couple of weeks ago our W*rld C*p fun was spoilt by a few
outbursts of unsightly nationalism. You may remember that I was actively
anti-nationalist, but I didn't go into the reasons in any depth. I think now
is the time to reveal all. You see, I don't have any strong national
identity, I'm a mixture. I'm the fruit of an illicit encounter between a
Croatian potato leper and the French agriculture minister, making me half
French-half Croatian. There, I'm glad I got that off my chest.

Davor Zidane


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From rnorth at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 13 20:49:44 1998
From: rnorth at xxx.uk (Northy)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:49:44 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Check it out now, funk show brother
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> Anyone fancy encorporating a picnic into the Finsbury Park gig the weekend
> after next? 

Do we have numbers?

I am one and I presume you are too, but I am a shy fellow and the 
most I will give out is what shirt I'll be wearing...

sorry, but I gues that most listees and 20 something ex-students
(I'm not - give me about 8 years)

OK, bye

Northy


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From janine at xxx.com  Mon Jul 13 21:08:10 1998
From: janine at xxx.com (Janine Papp)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:08:10 -0500
Subject: Sinister: list crushes
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due to all the talk of list crushes today, I would like to inform everyone
that a fun way to anonymously let someone know you have a crush on
him/her/it is to go to http://www.secretadmirer.com.    If the person
you're crushing on has one on you, too, and sends you a crush e-mail back
through the website, then the secret admirer matchmaker lets both of you
know!  - but only if you match.

Janine


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From itstrue at xxx.net  Mon Jul 13 20:16:11 1998
From: itstrue at xxx.net (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:16:11 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Every little detail will be fine
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the famous Katrina wrote:
> do you really want a track by track description of
> the album?

Seriously?!  Sure!  But don't feel obligated.  I'll take anything. 
Don't feel like you're going on and on about it...I'm interested in the
tiniest of details.  I'm into that sort of thing, see...Compression? 
Reverb?  Recording times?  Equipment?  Number of takes?  Yes, please!

Oh, I just remembered that I was unsubscribed when this FASCINATING
event happened to me.  Gather round...it just so happened that I was in
Wilmington, NC and we decided to go downtown to a "great" record store
since the rain was ruining the beach.  So off we went, and besides
seeing one of the best Southern downtown areas (and this is from a HUGE
fan of Southern downtowns), there was a great record store.  It really
*was* great!  So I'm looking around, minding my own business, not
bothering anyone, you understand...and there it is, on the wall for
anyone to look at or even *touch* for God's sake!...a beautiful poster
advertising the two Manchester shows last winter....cue dramatic music,
I start looking for the price.  Oh, what's this?  No price, but a damn
little sticky "claiming" said poster.  Bastards!  Teases!  Take it off
the wall if it's not for sale!  Do NOT trifle with my emotions!

See?  Told you it was fascinating...

Newt-free for 26 years,
    Reid
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From cupid at xxx.com  Mon Jul 13 20:32:50 1998
From: cupid at xxx.com (cupid at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:32:50 -0400
Subject: Sinister: You Have a Secret Admirer (this isn't junk mail)
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This message has been sent to you by a secret admirer! 
(No Joke: Your secret admirer is a real person, maybe a 
friend or colleague, who knows your email address.)

Is the feeling mutual? To find out if the person who sent 
you this message is someone you like, come to 
http://www.SecretAdmirer.com. 

Good Luck!

(By the way, replying to this email won't work. You have 
to come to  SecretAdmirer.com to play. And it's free.)

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From Lzylnepntr at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 00:08:34 1998
From: Lzylnepntr at xxx.com (Lzylnepntr at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:08:34 EDT
Subject: Sinister: ahghhhh!!!! camera obscura and nick nacks
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hey everybody! does anyone want to trade tepes? i need a copy of the camerra
obscura 7" , so if you're interested in a trade, email me please! thanks
y
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From carrick44 at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 01:33:31 1998
From: carrick44 at xxx.com (Carrick C Blair)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:33:31 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Zombies/Mojave 3
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PJMiller said....

>It is a passionless discourse, but informative. 
>At this point I wouldnormally claim that I prefer 
>Argent to the Zombies, but I've never heard them. 
>But I have heard Colin Blunstone's
> version of "Say You Don't Mind" by my favourite
>racing driver, Denny Laine. Which is blissful in the 
>extreme.Shame I haven't got it either. 

Well, I do. And indeed the whole Colin Blunstone lp 
<One Year> is marvelous. Finally tracked down a copy
for myself last week. Not to dissimilar to the later Zombies
material, but with more strings and stuff. Not sure how 
his later albums turned out, but a friend described them 
as more "70's sounding", whatever that means.

Also on the discussion of Mojave 3, Slowdive's second album,
which is named after either a greek delicacy, or a line in
a porno a film, not sure which (in either case, I forgot how to 
spell it) so I'll just say it's one of the best albums of the....well..
lets just say early 90's for now. 

And Mojave 3's new single was recorded by the familar 
Tony Dooganat Cava Studios and its better than the 
Pernice Brothers.

That's all
Love 
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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 02:31:27 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:27 EDT
Subject: Sinister: there's something about mary
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those farrelly brothers are odd.
they make insane movies.
they come from rhode island.
and they have very good music
in those aforementioned insane
movies.
the propellorheads are in the 
trailers.
and don't forget kingpin, 
which was incredibly funny
in a psycho way, 
and had a score by freedy
johnston.

matt
on the left side
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From craftylo at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 02:38:14 1998
From: craftylo at xxx.com (Princess Rachel)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:38:14 -0400
Subject: Sinister: pond life and pit bulls
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sorry to hear about the warring newts.

has anyone mentioned that the reason that these newts might be fighting
is that they are both males and probably have too much testosterone so
all they know how to do is fight?  either that or you have bought some
infamous west african fighting newt, if you have bought them fully grown
you never know how their former owners treated them.  for instance when
we got our dog, the lovely sunny a rather fetching blonde pit bull we
made sure she came right off her mothers nipple so she was sure to have
none of those fighting impulses...maybe that is what should be the rule
with fire belly newts as well as pit bulls!

blah blah blah...some good news or part two in the tadpole trilogy. 
three days ago in my pond i realized that my big shubunkin goldfish have
reproduced!  isn't that great...i now have LOADS of little fishes who
are going to grow up to be big and strong!   and...my tadpoles have not
all been eaten by raccoons....they are FROGS!!  hooray!

thats all...oooooooooooh only another whole day in New York and then my
LIST CRUSH meets me at the airport for 6 weeks of loving(s) and muffins
(thanks elisa for the ryhme)

see ya...

rachel.

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From parachute at xxx.net  Tue Jul 14 02:40:56 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (brad)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:40:56 -0400
Subject: Sinister: come clean
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alright.

listen, i know that i'm a sexy motherfucker and i make you all warm in
the crotch, men and women alike, but this crush business is driving me
nuts.
it's pretty obvious that you all have a crush on me. what else would
account for 50 emails a day from you lot speaking of mundane things like
newts and dead people. 
there ain't enough of me to go round.

so just hang up all you dreams of me in your bed with strawberries and
coolwhip and puppy fur...cause it ain't gonna happen. well, maybe mr.
mitchell, cause i heard he's hung like a squirrel. 

and whoever used the word "nutsac"...that's my word, prick.

that gets rid of one of the crushes at least.
-brad
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From CrimsonKing at xxx.net  Tue Jul 14 03:12:07 1998
From: CrimsonKing at xxx.net (Shaft)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:12:07 +0000
Subject: Sinister: My Iron Maiden top 10
Message-ID: <19980714021207.KKVH25531@LOCALNAME>


        How could you forget the Maiden classic "Be Quick or Be Dead"?!
Whoops, I shouldn't have said that - I'm giving away my high school metal
days that I swore off a few years ago.  Or does the ode to Robert Fripp in
my address do that instead?
        Anyways, what's making me most anxious right now is the burning
question of whether we may see B&S here on the West Coast, rather than my
anticipation of the new album.  The new album is guaranteed; live B&S west
of the Mississippi isn't.  I know we have enough fans out here to warrant an
appearance, even if I'm responsible for most of the ones I know (except for
Courtney, who has the uncanny ability to find these groups on her own).
        Take Care-
                                Andy       #:-)

P.S.  This is an old subject, but I also heard Stuart M's similarity to Ray
Davies right away.
P.P.S.  Anybody else looking forward to a great September due not only to
new B&S, but also because of new Beth Orton? 
  

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From bexy7 at xxx.net  Tue Jul 14 03:50:43 1998
From: bexy7 at xxx.net (Henry)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:50:43 -0400
Subject: Sinister: tape tree #3 (gasp!)
Message-ID: <35AAC783.59E0@banet.net>


hi sweethearts,

i don't know why, but for some extremely annoying reason, everytime i
try to email erin lewis about the tape tree trading extravaganza- i get
it returned to me saying there's no such address?
sooo, i'm sorry for interupting the lovely sinister talks of crushes and
the zombies (who are quite good i might add)- 
but, i was wondering if erin could please e-mail me back with an address
i can e-mail her at, since i am very excited about the tape tree trading
thing and would love to get more info. thanks.

by the way- did anyone see mojave 3 play at the opera house in toronto
when they opened for lush a few years ago?

love,
bexy
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From Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 03:58:52 1998
From: Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com (Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:58:52 EDT
Subject: Sinister: girl lovey-dovey songs
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the indiepop list didn't help me with this, so i'm turning to you romantic
souls. i'm trying to make a mix tape for my girlfriend for when she comes to
visit, but the pop world seems to be really straight. can anyone come up with
love songs about girls, especially by girls, or non-gender ones? any help
would be greatly appreciated. i already know lois and courtney love, but you
can only put so many songs by one band. thanks in advance. take care.
*alyssa marie*
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From HobieS at xxx.net  Tue Jul 14 04:55:57 1998
From: HobieS at xxx.net (Shackie)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:55:57 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Rhode island
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> PS I, too, think it would be a good idea for B&S to play Baltimore. Even
> though I don't know where it is. Shall we start a petition?
>
>

how about rhode island???tee hee! ha ha!
actually...that would be almost appropriate and quite nice...considering...

~darling
...moping alone in rhode island

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From carrick44 at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 04:57:15 1998
From: carrick44 at xxx.com (Carrick C Blair)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:57:15 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Shoot First--UsVS.Them
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Well I think my pysche was damaged a bit for slagging of Looper. 
The misunderstandings that resulted just goes to 
show that, as your mother always said, "If you don't have something 
nice to say about someone, don't say anything at all." 

But anyway, 

Tag wrote: 
> Sorry, Carrick, maybe I overreacted a little, but no malice 
>was intended, it was a joke really, and I'm sure regular readers will 
>know that I do like to play devil's advocate sometimes. 

No malice was felt. Actually I was surprised that not more malice 
was thrown my way. I did secretly accuse of you of being a Daft Punk  
fan. But that probably wouldn't offend most people. Sadly enough. 

> I love all B&S 
>records so far, but I don't want Sinister#2, I think you should use 
>all means at your disposal to make great records, whether breakbeats 
>or mongolian nose-flutes if they work. 

I repeat, "if they work". My point, was that I thought that the
breakbeats  
didn't work. But, of course, as a result of a sub-standard American 
education, my writing skills are less than perfect, and the point got 
lost in the mess of words.

> I just thought Carrick's mail 
>sounded more than a little luddite (like the folkies who objected to 
>Dylan going electric), his follow-up letter put such fears at bay. 

Funny, my dad was at the famous Newport Folk Festival where Dylan 
introduced his full electric band. I asked my Dad if he was booing, 
and he replied, "Probably, everybody else was." 

And I prefer to be referred to as a Luddite, more than a purist. "Purist"
has  
all those evil Nazi connotations. I think I would be quite content if the
only 
music I was to hear for the rest of my life was old folk songs being sung

in cozy old pubs somewhere in Yorkshire. As long as Belle and Sebastian 
was on the bill on alternating Wednesdays and Sundays. 
And every Monday was drumnbass night.  And there was a Soul Brunch 
from 10 AM to 2 PM every Sunday. And the jukebox had nothing but P!O!P!.
Oh yeah, on Tuesdays, a woman who looks just like the young Anne 
Briggs comes in and sings during the early evening.

(I would have said a nice old pub in Scotland, but I don't remember
seeing any when I was there.)

And on to other news: 
Tim said....

>Funny how who is us and who is them become blurry though, 
>isn't it? If you'd have pitched upround my way in the 1980s with 
>your talk of the Dream Syndicate and Husker Du, you'd have been 
>met with howls of derision, asked why you had bought into 
>Classic Rock so soon, and then probably been bought a pint of  
>opaque cider. You would then have tried to justify your musical 
>taste to young men who were utterly unwilling to listen to your  
>point of view, and who had already decided that you were a P!O!P!  
>traitor. It was us v them, you see. 

I forgot about the whole Pop vs. Rock thing. That didn't really happen 
here in the states. For one thing we didn't have many proper pop bands. 
Certainly none to start a war over. I remember reading how someone 
was so offended that Creation was signing Bob Mould's band, Sugar. 
They even made disparaging remarks about his weight, if I remember 
correctly. And I wouldn't have bought you a pint of cider, seeing that
most  
Americans in 1984 had no clue that you could buy alcoholic cider at a 
bar. Still don't.

It's nice to see that someone has a crush on the whole list.
That warmed my heart, just a little bit.

Love
Carrick



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From HobieS at xxx.net  Tue Jul 14 05:06:45 1998
From: HobieS at xxx.net (Shackie)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:06:45 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Shoot First Ask Questions Later
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> And after Baltimore, how about Providence? Lots of old warehouses and
> houses with vinyl siding. And the pizza there has really thin crust.
>

yaaaay! rhode islanders unite!and i thought i was all alone...go figure...

~darling
ps: who are you?

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From HobieS at xxx.net  Tue Jul 14 06:21:31 1998
From: HobieS at xxx.net (Shackie)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:21:31 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Rhode Island
Message-ID: <35AAEADB.78C56141@concentric.net>


all these references to the wee lil state of rhode island makes my heart
swell with pride...almost :)
it's quite rare that teeny rhode island's role in the grand old world of
um..pop...(tee hee) gets recognized...
actually, i'm talking out of my ass...none of the references so far had
anything to do with such a role...wishful thinking..although we did have
small factory and velvet crush and um...others (?) which brings me to my
question...
how exactly is belle and sebastian linked to rhode island? it was a
former name of sorts, non? if so...why? how?
i find this all very intriguing...and amusing...
hehehe anyone who actually knows the state as i do will understand why
maybe...

~darling
...hanging out in a town whose claim to fame is the highest point in
rhode island (the state landfill) and its connection with the
mafia...woo hoo!

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From keenan_g at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 07:40:19 1998
From: keenan_g at xxx.com (keenan gauthier)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:40:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Re:Mojave 3 second album name
Message-ID: <19980714064019.12701.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>



Carrick said

>Also on the discussion of Mojave 3, Slowdive's second >album,
>which is named after either a greek delicacy, or a >line in
>a porno a film, not sure which (in either case, I >forgot how to
spell it)

  I don't know for sure what its named after, but I do have a theory. 
I don't know about other countries, but here in Canada at large
outdoor events you can often find what me and my buds call souvlaki
spacestations.  These are little octagonal ufo-ish looking souvlaki
stands which stand on little stilts.  They really do look like little
spaceships which have touched down from some other wonderful galaxy.
  Again, I don't know if this is what the album is named for, but its
what I like to think.

Also, has anyone else seen any versions of the Mojave 3 album where
there is no three?  A guy I work with ordered it a few months ago and
it only said Mojave.  Everything else was the same.  Does anyone know
why this might be?

last note: I work in a music store and the booking date we have
received for the new B & S is Sept. 8.  I should also note that this
much forward notice on an indie title is a little out of the ordinary
out here.  I think Matador has high hopes, as it should.



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From keenan_g at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 07:42:04 1998
From: keenan_g at xxx.com (keenan gauthier)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:42:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: re: my last post
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oops...my mistake...

the subject shoulda been "Slowdive's second album title"... Oh well.




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From aevans at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 09:44:11 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:44:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 1998/9 Capital Programme
Message-ID: <01BDAF0C.168F4B80@pc07628>



All this talk of weekend breaks - T in the Park and Picnics and forthcoming Finsburys...what exciting lives you lead.

On Sunday I went with my Kate to Paignton Zoo.  We saw the Rhino enclosure which my dad built 'cos we're incredibly working-class...this was the highlight of my day.

We did not see any newts.
We did not eat any poundcake.

Actually that's complete bollocks...we didn't go to Paignton Zoo, my life isn't remotely that exciting....we went to Newton St Cyres.  We might have seen a couple of cows and sheep and stuff and had a pint of cyder.

Next weekend we are going to Woolfardisworthy for some dodgy tea and stale scones or something.

Congratulations to listee Pierre Miquel and any of his compatriates for anything that might have occurred since Sunday evening.

Ivor Allchurch.
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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 10:16:15 1998
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell +44 1705 701802)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:16:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Hello all
Message-ID: <2915161014071998/A04505/ADVAX1/11C772900D00*@MHS>


As a new member to this mailing list i'd like to say hello to everyone.

Hello

As of yet I have absolutely bugger all idea of what everyone is going on about
but i'm sure I'll pick it up eventually.

Thank you and goodnight

Rich

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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 10:43:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:43:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Guitar Solos/Gainsbourg
Message-ID: <2CFC0330016A1600@c2gate.tcom.co.uk>


An asexual peice of smelly hippy footwear said:
> i still, and without irony, love the guitar solo on dead or alive.
> i'd rate it just a level or two below the solo on the kinks' all of
> the day and all of the night, which sounds as tho dave davies has
> fallen down the stairs into a guitar shop.

What about Pete Townsend's magnificent one note guitar solo on The Who's
I Can See for Miles?  Twang twang twang twang!  R!O!C!K! if I may say so.

Have any of the Gainsbourg fans out there heard the new Pizzicato Five
remixes album?  There is a version of Contact (a song written by Serge
for a Brigitte Bardot TV show) which is rather wonderful.

Kevan

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 11:50:51 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:50:51 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Guitar Solos/Gainsbourg
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On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Kevan Cooke wrote:
> 
> An asexual peice of smelly hippy footwear said:

ooh. hark at the spurned!

a fragrant espadrille

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Jul 14 12:28:00 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:28:00 +0200
Subject: Sinister: The Geoffery Chaucer of Pop
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It was Adrian that wrote:

On Sunday I went with my Kate to Paignton Zoo.  We saw the Rhino enclosure
which my dad built 'cos we're incredibly working-class...this was the
highlight of my day.

"my Kate" - isn't that nice? My uncle built the Sydney Opera House. The box
office, anyway. Paignton - Timothy Faulkner from across the road used to go
there on holiday. We used to go to Great Yarmouth. I do feel that these
people who go abroad on holiday are missing out.

Actually that's complete bollocks...we didn't go to Paignton Zoo, my life
isn't remotely that exciting....we went to Newton St Cyres.  We might have
seen a couple of cows and sheep and stuff and had a pint of cyder.

I've been on another of my accidental pilgrimages this morning. I stumbled
upon a path with great big stone crosses at the side, the stations of the
cross, I think, leading up to a great big one flanked by two smaller ones in
a crucifixion stylee. It was quite moving, even for a dedicated pagan like
me, so it must have really freaked out the true believers in the old days.
Then when i got to the top there was aload of people outside the church,
dressed up for a wedding. turns out they were filming for a local soap
opera, the longest running in Spain, even though (or because) it's in Basque
and therefore incomprehensible to me. But there's a bloke in it who looks
like Lemmy and he was there, so I'm happy. Then on my way down the other
side of the hill I had to work through a spooky bamboo grove and a girl
guide's campsite. Nothing to report, chaps.

Carrick, there was a long interview with Colin Blunstone in Record Collector
magazine recently. In case you're interested. I enjoyed that Dad/Dylan
anecdote. I'm a big fan of the electric recording of "I Don't Believe You"
live in Belfast on the Biograph album. It's a complete racket, I can see why
people were upset. Good stuff.

We are about to undergo a dangerous journey into uncharted waters: B&S
content! Anyone suffering from a dickie ticker should delete now...

Katrina, if I haven't bored you to sleep yet...I have it on good authority
that Stew "Pol" Pot Murdoch doesn't do absolutely all the production stuff,
even if he does decide what does or doesn't get compressed. I believe both
Iso "Ding Dong" Bel and Stuart "Pish Pish Pish!" David were involved in the
production of "Is the Wicker Man Scared?" on the new album. And besides,
full credit must be given to the legendary patience of Dougie Doogan,
without whom none of this pish would be poshible. I just felt the need to
bring up these points because your message made Stuart sound really
competent and "with it", an impression that could damage future record
sales.


Peter

PS: I hope that message has helped you feel a little less lost, Richard. We
look forward to your contributions. You may notice that some people
occasionally stray form the basic subject of Belle and Sebastian, but you
can see from the above that I'm not one of them. Welcome aboard, Big Tackle!


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From Hcp2 at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 12:43:40 1998
From: Hcp2 at xxx.com (Hcp2 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:43:40 EDT
Subject: Sinister: hello and souvlaki
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Hello everyone,
     This is my first email since being on the list for the last 3 weeks.  I
hope I don't make a fool of myself.  Just wanted to comment on the word
souvlaki (the slowdive album).  I don't know what slowdive had in mind, but
souvlaki is like a gyro (pita with meat) , but it is supposed to make out of
lamb.  Don't eat meat, so don't know what it is really like.  I listened to
this cd last night, and it brought back memories of the shoegazing days.
     Ok now to the listees on the stateside, how come we have heard the cries
of the west coast and the pleas of RI and Baltimore for B&S gigs, but how come
we have not heard from folks from NY?  Just to rejoice the idea of a east
coast tour. Are we being complacent?  I guess they will probably play NYC, but
can you image if they will only play the west coast?  Anyway, I am not trying
to start a west coast-east coast thing.  
po
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From keith at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 13:21:26 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:21:26 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Top Tens
Message-ID: <000c01bdaf21$ec57cac0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


>"my Kate" - isn't that nice? My uncle built the Sydney Opera House. The box
>office, anyway. Paignton - Timothy Faulkner from across the road used to go
>there on holiday. We used to go to Great Yarmouth. I do feel that these
>people who go abroad on holiday are missing out.


I know how you feel, not that I get to go on Holiday very much, but, I've
always gone to lovely places in Britain rather than abroad, where it's too
hot and the merest bit from an insect can kill you!  Places like Llandudno,
Blackpool and Largs. Charming they all are.

>without whom none of this pish would be poshible. I just felt the need to
>bring up these points because your message made Stuart sound really
>competent and "with it", an impression that could damage future record
>sales.


Yeah, didn't think Stuart mixed the other stuff, just the new album, at
least that's what I've been lead to believe, and he did the new one on a
whopping great ear infection, that daft beggar, so we'll all be able to
enjoy the new album when it comes out with the left hand speaker blasting it
out twice as loud as the right hand speaker! (boom boom)

    Incidentally, Katrina, it may be of worth pointing out to the band that
it's very much the thing these days to have a "Norman Cook remix" on your
singles these days. Where Quentin speeds up the vocal track and adds some
big drums to the back of it just as Lance and Martin did for "Santa doesn't
come to Summer Bay no more" on Home and Away.

    And Rodd, if your rule for music is "the more drums the merrier", then
perhaps you should check out Manowar. Their drummer was on record breakers
once for the largest drumkit ever, he's got about 80 of the fuckers - I
think they're also the loudest band ever too.

    Indeed Richard I don't blame you for not having a clue what's going on.
Let me just say that the Iron Maiden top 10 was a bit of a joke, but
nonetheless, here's one that's not a joke, someone mentioned the top 10
guitar solos, and that sounded like a great idea. Can we have a few more
heavy metal top tens please, is that allowed. What about a top ten heavy
metal bands.

1. Stone Roses - I am the resurrection. This rules it's as simple as that
2. Television - Marquee Moon. Not Tom Verlaine's bit, but the little widdly
bit that Richard Lloyd does after the first chorus
3. Neil Young - All along the watchtower. There was this great bit a few
years ago on the the telly where Neil Young and Pearl Jam do this and the
boy from Pearl Jam do a solo each, and Neil Young's guitar is about 10 times
as loud as the other bloke, and he just plays this one long wobbling note
and then goes away, totally upstaging the pearl jam lad.
4. Yngwie J Malmsteen - oh alright, I just wanted to say his name
5. The End - The Beatles - John Lennon's bits
6. They're getting thin on the ground now... so someone else have a go, I'll
pass the baton on to Tim Hopkins! Away you go Tim.



Cheers,
    Keith.




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From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 13:42:56 1998
From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:42:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Top Tens
Message-ID: <199807141239.NAA03869@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>


> someone mentioned the top 10
> guitar solos, and that sounded like a great idea. Can we have a few more
> heavy metal top tens please, is that allowed. What about a top ten heavy
> metal bands.
> 
> 1. Stone Roses - I am the resurrection. This rules it's as simple as that
> 2. Television - Marquee Moon. Not Tom Verlaine's bit, but the little
widdly
> bit that Richard Lloyd does after the first chorus
> 3. Neil Young - All along the watchtower. There was this great bit a few
> years ago on the the telly where Neil Young and Pearl Jam do this and the
> boy from Pearl Jam do a solo each, and Neil Young's guitar is about 10
times
> as loud as the other bloke, and he just plays this one long wobbling note
> and then goes away, totally upstaging the pearl jam lad.
> 4. Yngwie J Malmsteen - oh alright, I just wanted to say his name
> 5. The End - The Beatles - John Lennon's bits
> 6. They're getting thin on the ground now... so someone else have a go,
I'll
> pass the baton on to Tim Hopkins! Away you go Tim.
> 

I think Tiff is still away in Brussels, feasting on the European sprout
mountain, so I'm gonna but in...

1) Something by J Mascis. Arguably his career is a mere footnote to Mr
Jung, but the solo on their version of "Just Like Heaven" rocks like a
mutha.

2) Something by that Perry bloke out of the Only Ones. I've been listening
a lot to The Only Ones recently, as a consequence of listening to that
Hefner Lp, which has grown on me a lot. Not like mould, but like a
beautiful flowery shrub thingy. So it's gonna hafta be the solo on "Miles
from Nowhere" (Peel session version).

3) Pete Shelley's solo on The Buzzcocks' "Boredom". Ba-dum ba-dum.

4) Johnny Marr coming out of the closet as a true axe-hero on "Paint A
Vulgar Picture".

5) The guitar playing all the way through The Blue Aeroplane's lp "Swagger"
is just lovely. I think some bloke called Alex Bruschetta played on "And
Stones", and that's the business. He's in Massive Attack's band now.

Ta ta

Trousers
xxxxxx


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From aeos at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 12:35:03 1998
From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:35:03 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Guitar Solos/Gainsbourg
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Kevan enthused
>What about Pete Townsend's magnificent one note guitar solo on The Who's
>I Can See for Miles?  Twang twang twang twang!  R!O!C!K! if I may say so.

I actively avoid making infuriating 'muso' comments about songs, in general.
Because I know they're boring and crap. However - the chord progression on
'I can see for miles AND miles AND miles etc'!!!
What fucking great harmonies!

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 14:17:15 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:17:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Top Tens
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On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Keith Watson wrote:

>     Indeed Richard I don't blame you for not having a clue what's going on.
> Let me just say that the Iron Maiden top 10 was a bit of a joke, but
> nonetheless, here's one that's not a joke, someone

yes. me. espadrille

 mentioned the top 10
> guitar solos, and that sounded like a great idea. Can we have a few more
> heavy metal top tens please, is that allowed. What about a top ten heavy
> metal bands.
> 
> 1. Stone Roses - I am the resurrection. This rules it's as simple as that

true

> 2. Television - Marquee Moon. Not Tom Verlaine's bit, but the little
widdly
> bit that Richard Lloyd does after the first chorus

don';t know it

> 3. Neil Young - All along the watchtower. There was this great bit a few
> years ago on the the telly where Neil Young and Pearl Jam do this and the
> boy from Pearl Jam do a solo each, and Neil Young's guitar is about 10 times
> as loud as the other bloke, and he just plays this one long wobbling note
> and then goes away, totally upstaging the pearl jam lad.

i vaguely remember it being pretty good.

> 4. Yngwie J Malmsteen - oh alright, I just wanted to say his name

each to his or her own.

> 5. The End - The Beatles - John Lennon's bits
> 6. They're getting thin on the ground now... so someone else have a go, I'll
> pass the baton on to Tim Hopkins! Away you go Tim.

i'd add dave gilmour's playing on 'shine on you crazy diamond part I', 
george harrsion, perhaps, on 'while my guitar' (tho i think it might
actually be eric clpaton) (ohmigoodness, i'm sorry for bringing HIS
name up on this list) 

i might even be sad enough to add jimmy page on 'stiarway', but that
would get me taken off to the 70s hell in the sky.

that;s enough guitars.

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From shop at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 14:05:39 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:05:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: jeepster and belle and sebastian sites now open
Message-ID: <35AB57A3.81107428@jeepster.co.uk>


the jeepster records web site at http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ is now open.

this means that we now have a fully functioning on-line shop, as well as a place for you contact us,
us to give you news and to act as a central starting point when looking for information on any of
the bands on our label.

only the belle and sebastian site (out of the three bands) is open
(http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/). this site sets the standard for the others to come.
it is packed with features including a press archive (courtesy of the work by andy dean), the
on-line shop, liquid audio sound files of every song on the back catalogue, lyrics, sleevenotes and
artwork, java magnetic poetry, virtual postcards (requires the recipient to have web access),
fiction, a new competition, etc.

we hope that this will become THE location on the internet for news and information on the band.

it's taken a lot of work to put these sites together, and whilst we've tested them on a lot of
browsers we would welcome any suggestions on how to improve them, simply mail them to me at
shop at jeepster.co.uk

the on-line shop is also open which means that you can finally lay your hands on all the records
that you've been asking for. we've dropped the prices and worked out how to get around the UK Value
Added Tax laws, so if you live outside the UK your order is now VAT free. we do not yet have any
belle and sebastian shirts - when we do we will announce this via this news list and on the news
page of the belle and sebastian site.

thank you for your patience whilst we constructed the site, it's much appreciated.

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 14:18:41 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:18:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Top Tens
In-Reply-To: <199807141239.NAA03869@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
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On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, poetryplace2 wrote:
> 
> 2) Something by that Perry bloke out of the Only Ones. I've been listening
> a lot to The Only Ones recently, as a consequence of listening to that
> Hefner Lp, which has grown on me a lot. Not like mould, but like a
> beautiful flowery shrub thingy. So it's gonna hafta be the solo on "Miles
> from Nowhere" (Peel session version).


yes, of course, how could i forget?

another girl another planet. what a grfeat idea. play the solo at the
start, have a song for only a moment or two, then finish with another
solo.

wow

> 
> 4) Johnny Marr coming out of the closet as a true axe-hero on "Paint A
> Vulgar Picture".


yep.

espadrille

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From Mark at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 14:19:54 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:19:54 +0100
Subject: Sinister: top tens
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Why is it with Belle and Sebastian songs I find it much easier to work
out which ones I dislike most (obviously a relative term, simply meaning
that they're on a par with things like "Paint a Vulgar Picture", say, or
"Hell is round the corner"). I'm not sure I should say what pops my cork
least, except for the fact that A Century of Elvis annoys me - why
couldn't they have used a different tune? Unless of course it was
written before ...Fakers, in which case I still reckon it's a mistake.
Great story that it is, though.

I'm too frightened of vendettas to list their least inspired songs, but
if anyone wants to discuss this privately, feel free.

For the record, so that you don't think I'm a traitor, I absolutely love
and worship We Rule the School, String Bean Jean, Dog on Wheels,
Expectations, The State I am In, ...Sinister, Judy, Le Pastie, LLPJ,
and, oh, fuck it, everything they've ever done, bar none. So there.

I think I'm a bit confused today. Sorry everyone.


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From shop at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 14:44:11 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:44:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: top tens
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Mark Casarotto wrote:

> I'm not sure I should say what pops my cork
> least, except for the fact that A Century of Elvis annoys me - why
> couldn't they have used a different tune? Unless of course it was
> written before ...Fakers, in which case I still reckon it's a mistake.
> Great story that it is, though.

'elvis' and 'fakers' were both recorded on jan 4 last year, but the final 'elvis' mix was finished
on 26 feb whilst 'fakers' was finished on 26 march.

which is weird, as i would swear blind that if you listen closely to 'elvis' you can hear stuart
murdoch warbling 'fakers'!

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From tourajsig2 at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 14:47:57 1998
From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:47:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Top Tens
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---poetryplace2  wrote:

> 3) Pete Shelley's solo on The Buzzcocks' "Boredom". Ba-dum ba-dum.

Oh aye.  

> 4) Johnny Marr coming out of the closet as a true axe-hero on "Paint A
> Vulgar Picture".

Quite fond of the Brian May-isms on 'Shoplifters of the World Unite'.
 
> 5) The guitar playing all the way through The Blue Aeroplane's lp
"Swagger"
> is just lovely. I think some bloke called Alex Bruschetta played on
"And
> Stones", and that's the business. He's in Massive Attack's band now.

That'll be Angelo Bruschini.  You've got a thing about bruschetta,
haven't you Trousers ?

Others worthy of mention, for quite different reasons... that lovely
60-second single-note feedback thing on Talk Talk's 'Laughing Stock'
and the deep and lasting horror of the solo in the middle of The
Carpenters' 'Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft'.

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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 15:00:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:00:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Uriah Heep Top Ten
Message-ID: <EFFD0330016A1600@c2gate.tcom.co.uk>


Okay Keith, here it is...

 1. July Morning
 2. The Wizard
 3. Return to Fantasy
 4. Bird of Prey
 5. Easy Livin'
 6. Look at Yourself
 7. Stealin'
 8. High Priestess
 9. Gypsy
10. Firefly

And Espadrille, O that we all could be so sweetly fragrant,
may the strains of Wonderful Tonight play forever in your mind.

Happy shopping everyone,
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From mctag at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 15:43:55 1998
From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:43:55 GMT
Subject: Sinister: I should be souvlaki
Message-ID: <35ab6dab.15770393@post.demon.co.uk>


Oh, you pretty things,

Has the scary man has gone?  Can I come out now?

Keith Watson wrote:

> Here's my Iron Maiden top 10

...which is all very well, but here is Keith's real top chart:

1  Lovely bicycle girl - The Wild Pansies
2  Hairgrips and Lollipops- The Flopsy Bunnies
3  I'm lonely and sad and pathetic, but will you hold hands with me? -
The Keith Watson Jellybaby Experience
4  Happiness is a stripey T-shirt and a 7" record box with flowers on
it E.P.- Jasper and the Buckaroos
5  Fox in the snow - Belle and Sebastian  

These top tens are fascinating aren't they?  Maybe Keith could furnish
us with his favourite sequncer arpeggios and Espadrille can tell us
his/her favourite humming noise.

Peter Miller wrote:

>List crishes: Mine's Elisabeth.

Miller, you are a cad and a bounder.  I demand satisfaction tomorrow
at sunrise.  Chose your weapon.

Dave made me laugh as well.  Something about the Prodigy and
Tourette's syndrome.  Keep up the good work.

Je t'embrasse
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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 15:52:56 1998
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell +44 1705 701864)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:52:56 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: RE: Heavy metal top 10s
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If i knew this list was going to decend into the realms of heavy metal i may
not have subscribed in the first place.

What next? A gregorian chant top ten

Enough of this nonsense!

Rich

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From rewb2 at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 16:03:43 1998
From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (rob b)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:03:43 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re:Mojave 3 second album name
Message-ID: <E0yw6dI-00089Z-00@sand2.global.net.uk>




keenan gauthier wrote:
> 
> >Also on the discussion of Mojave 3, Slowdive's second >album,
> >which is named after either a greek delicacy, or a >line in
> >a porno a film, not sure which (in either case, I >forgot how to
> spell it)
> 
>   I don't know for sure what its named after, but I do have a theory. 
> I don't know about other countries, but here in Canada at large
> outdoor events you can often find what me and my buds call souvlaki
> spacestations.  These are little octagonal ufo-ish looking souvlaki
> stands which stand on little stilts.  They really do look like little
> spaceships which have touched down from some other wonderful galaxy.
>   Again, I don't know if this is what the album is named for, but its
> what I like to think.

well, track one on side two is indeed called 'souvlaki space station' so
maybe you're right.

wahay!  i just won some CDs on xfm!  i don't know what i've won, but i'm
assured that i won something.  i'm all alone at home at the moment, with
no-one to talk to, so that's why i'm sharing my glee with you lot.  i had
to come up with the longest anagrammable word in the english language, and
i managed a stonking 18 letters.  aha, i am the self-appointed king of
pointless word games.

and back to mojave 3, i requested that they played the new single on the
request hour this afternoon, but they haven't!  arse!  i'll have to just go
out and buy it.

oh yes, there's been quite a bit of talk about the pernice brothers over
the last few weeks.  i spotted their new cd in a record shop the other day,
but wasn't really sure whether to get it, seeing as i haven't heard
anything by them.  can anyone describe what they sound like, or who they
sound like, or just tell me something about them, as i'm in the mood for
something new...

well i'm off now to see what the doctor can tell me about my glandular
fever

oh yes, and about newts... actually no, i know nothing at all about newts.

g'bye dearies
rob

PS  Peter Miller wrote: "Then on my way down the other side of the hill I
had to work through a...girl guide's campsite."
i'm sorry, but this worries me... the idea of Meester Miller working his
way through a girl guides campsite does not bear thinking about, you
perverted old devil you.

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From Ciflux at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 16:47:23 1998
From: Ciflux at xxx.com (Ciflux at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:47:23 EDT
Subject: Sinister: book recommendations and Madeline
Message-ID: <758dd4da.35ab7d8c@aol.com>


I de-lurk for once...

So I spent part of this past weekend re-reading the Duke's "literary
supplements" to what sounds like an incredible weekly nightclub he runs in
Exeter.  For those who haven't read them, these are photocopied booklets (once
small and weekly, recently larger and monthly) full of art, collage, poetry
and prose.  It occured to me that much of the prose is influenced by a Belle &
Sebastian sensibility -- sometimes subtle, sometimes blatantly influenced.
"Lazy Line Painter Jane" provided a perfect musical backdrop.

So I guess my question is: could anyone recommend any further reading that
evokes the same feel?  I know I'm being a little vague here, but think of your
favorite B&S songs and consider if any of your favorite authors or books make
you feel the same way -- dreamy, dissatisfied, displaced, perhaps slightly
lonely.  A European setting couldn't hurt, either.  I'd appreciate any
suggestions, thanks.

I also saw _Madeline_ this weekend with my dear betrothed Callie (also a
fellow lurker).  It was actually quite a good film, cute without being
cloying, something I think your average listmember would appreciate.  I've
never read the original stories -- too immersed in the Hardy Boys and dinosaur
books at that tender age, I suppose -- but the film did a great job of
presenting a children's story that not only doesn't condescend, but that
grownups like us appreciated as well.  And the French scenery was dreamy
indeed, including the omnipresent Eiffel Tower behind the school.  "S/he's a
bad hat" has become Callie's and my favorite new bon mot.

mike
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From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:50:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Gregorian chant top 10
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1.  Omnes da saba
2.  Gloria Laus
3.  Alleluia Cantate
4.  Christus Factus Est
5.  Caecillius Est Laborat En Horto
6.  Incubus Succubus Barrabus
7.  You're Going Home In A St John's Ambulance
8.  'Pale Shelter' by Tears For Fears
9.  Erm....
10.  I'll get me coat...

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From: r.towell at xxx.uk (richard towell)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:56:18 +0100
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UNSUBSCRIBE ME NOW PLEASE
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From edkubisa at xxx.de  Tue Jul 14 17:02:28 1998
From: edkubisa at xxx.de (Edd)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:02:28 +0200
Subject: Sinister: RE: Shoegazers!
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Slowdive and Mojave3 (both truly beautiful bands) on the B&S
list...hmmm...maybe I can get away with recommending My Bloody
Valentine.....! if you haven't heard them, do so! The LP Loveless is the
most beautiful noise you'll ever hear!

Egg.

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From Mark at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 17:26:05 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:26:05 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Catty time
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I haven't been bitchy for a while - indeed, some of you may never have
witnessed this rare event (Stephen Gardiner, don't even think about
opening your mouth...), but I need to say a couple of things.

Firstly, I'm worried that Ciflux's desire to learn more about reading
material may spur some of the more pompous among you to go for more cred
points by recommending particularly cool/obscure tomes which are
probably not much cop anyway. Do you think you could do this privately
if you have to? 

Secondly, re those people who try and unsubscr ibe via the list. I think
these people should not only not be allowed to leave us (once you're one
of us, you're one of us for life. We demand ultimate loyalty - now go,
bring me the head of Nick Dastoor on a silver platter), but also deserve
all the "witty" jibes we can throw at them. I was never a bully at
school - it's obviously something I need to get out of my system.

Enough already.

Markiavelli. 
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From tangent at xxx.net  Tue Jul 14 17:16:41 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:16:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Top Tens
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Keith Watson wrote:
> 6. They're getting thin on the ground now... so someone else have a go, I'll
> pass the baton on to Tim Hopkins! Away you go Tim.

tim fails to catch the baton since you passed to his beer hand, and as
we all know, that is never free. all i have to say on the subject,
however, is 'Simply Thrilled Honey'. You know it makes sense.

keep the faith,

le duke


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From tangent at xxx.net  Tue Jul 14 17:19:54 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:19:54 +0100
Subject: Sinister: september releases
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Shaft wrote:
> P.P.S.  Anybody else looking forward to a great September due not only to
> new B&S, but also because of new Beth Orton?

only mildly, but i am very much looking forward to the new Lambchop Lp
which is released on Sept 7th as well. i'd better start saving...
(actually that's bollocks cos i'll probably get review copies of both
LPs so, um, i'll shut up now.)


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From steve at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 19:12:12 1998
From: steve at xxx.uk (Steve Genge)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:12:12 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Pernice Brothers / V Twin
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> oh yes, there's been quite a bit of talk about the pernice brothers over
> the last few weeks.  i spotted their new cd in a record shop the other
day,
> but wasn't really sure whether to get it, seeing as i haven't heard
> anything by them.  can anyone describe what they sound like, or who they
> sound like, or just tell me something about them, as i'm in the mood for
> something new...

You really should buy it, as in the end of year polls of albums with
Mustard colour sleeves it's bound to come top!  Um what does it sound like?
I'm hopeless at this sort of thing.....if you put 30 chimps in a room, 10
who liked the Tindersticks, 10 who liked B&S & the other 10 playing various
string & wind instruments you end up with chimp poo everywhere but you
might also end up with a sounmd not disimilar to the Pernice Bros altho
don't think the vocals & like matey from the Tindersticks & his shooting
stars club singer impressions!

At some point soon you can marvel at what someone far more eloquent & cute
than me has written about the album on my web page but at the moment that
bit's not there.  Check it out anyway, read about the exciting games you
can play on buses etc.

Ah yes V Twin, due to the fact I bought two copies of this rather fine
single last week, our singles buyer at work obviously thought he'd spotted
a trend & ordered shed loads more (technical music industry term) so if
anyone I guess outside of the UK wants one featuring her from the Pastels &
a certain Mr Geddes get in touch and we can sort out a trade.

     "Pain and beauty, our constant bedfellows"
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 18:20:09 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:20:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Ultrasound Ultrasound, YOU're GOOD YOU're GOOD
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Northy Quoted...
"Gary Glitter's gone to seed so who will lead us now?"
Tiny, 1998

I hate Ultrasound, I think they are overhyped rubbish! In the Makers
"100 Reasons why British Pop is better than ever", when you saw
ULRASOUND as the best reason, who else phsyically felt the CLANG!!!!
They are HORRIBLE, DULL, BORING and gary Glitter went to seed ages ago,
has NO RELEVANCE AT ALL TO ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, I hate HIM and I HATE
Ultrasound too!! DIE!!!

Nothing personal Northy. :) It's slightly better than Catatonia I
supose..,no its not. Don't worry lovey. You'll get over it in time when
the music press forget Ultrasound exist, which hopefully should be very
soon.

And as for those...Guitar Solos?

You poncey little indie kids pretending to be into this "Rock Music" is
so IRONIC!!! isn't it?? You'd be beaten up for your comments round my
metal loving pals way y'know. They don't beat me up cos I LOVE the
Manics and like Feeder, even though they shall never stop me insulting
Smashing Pumpkins or One Inch nails and Eight Inches Ego....
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
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From TWidmer at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 19:39:15 1998
From: TWidmer at xxx.com (Tara Widmer)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:39:15 -0700
Subject: Sinister: re: book recommendations and Madeline
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Mike wrote:
<<So I guess my question is: could anyone recommend any further reading
that evokes the same feel?  I know I'm being a little vague here, but
think of your
favorite B&S songs and consider if any of your favorite authors or books
make
you feel the same way -- dreamy, dissatisfied, displaced, perhaps
slightly
lonely.>>

A couple of months ago someone started a thread with this very same
question.  
Eventually the list of recommended books got to around 100, and a girl
who kept track of all the suggestions - I don't know if she's still
subscribed - sent me a copy of the final list. If you (or anyone else)
is interested in seeing it, let me know and I can send it as a Word or
Excel attachment.

Boring but helpful,
T:-)
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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 19:48:39 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:48:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: And all without a model of a cows arse.
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Listen, I know that talking about Linda's newts has now been officially
frowned upon but surely the solution to your warring Bob'n'Thelma is
blatantly obvious. Simply buy another newt called Terry, plop him into
the bowl and watch him sort it all out with his cheeky Geordie charm and
some hilarious slapstick escapades involving a wardrobe, some French
erotica and Bob's boss. (Or more probably just take him off down the pub
where at least Thelma can't get at him.)
     Sage advice I'm sure you'll agree and all without the benefit of
seven years at vetenary school with my hand up a model of a cows arse.

 Mike, your Gregorian top ten chart made me laugh so hard that the
normally polite staff of my geeky netcafe had to come and ask me to
'keep it down' so's  the other customers could make out the strains of
the frankly odious hardcore drill'n'bass that they always seem to play
here. Rich's reaction was hilarious too, but he was only joking wasn't
he? Just imagine if word got around that we'd scared off a punter by
forcing  R!A!W!K! guitar solos down his throat and then getting Mark
'Razor Fight' Cassarato to threaten him with his Italian mafia-style
retribution.
    We'd never be able to show our virtual faces in polite twee society
again. :^0

 Katrina, not only do we want a full review of the album, but we want
it, track by track, through the media of interprative dance. I expect
full video footage on the Jeepster site by tommorow. So get cracking
woman and even try and act all coy and girlie like you always do. Least
you forget, we've all seen you playing twister.

 On a B&S note though, they're still wonderful aren't they? I'm
currently going through a little phase of kinda taking them for granted,
given that they're such a constant in my life, and then listening to
say... 'You made me forget my dreams' at JUST the correct angle and
falling in love all over again. I actually had a little tiff with my
lovely Linda simply because she reckons that some of the songs from
sinister are 'repetitive,' pfff! and 'a bit samey,' eeeeeek!!! How do
you respond to this? Am I alone in being madly in love with someone who
doesn't think that the sun has to ask permission to rise out of Stuart
Murdochs arse? 
 I'm currently trying playing 'Tigermilk' at low volume in our wee
bedroom the instant she falls asleep and softly whispering, "life don't
get any better than this baby" repeatedly into her shell-like, but it
doesn't seem to be working. Any ideas?

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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 19:50:29 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:50:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Erin?
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Ummm..... I can't seem to get through to Erin about the tape tree.





 



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From aeos at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 19:50:27 1998
From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:50:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: re: book recommendations
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>A couple of months ago someone started a thread with this very same
>question.
>Eventually the list of recommended books got to around 100, and a girl
>who kept track of all the suggestions

Did 'Le Petit Prince' crop up in this discussion? Everything about this wee
book - the characters, the philosophy, the conversations, even the
illustrations, fergodsake - are just *so* B+S for me. It's a gem.

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From aeos at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 19:57:30 1998
From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:57:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tree top ten
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1. Oak
2. Elm
3. Cherry
4. Birch
5. The Sinister Tape Tree
6. Willow
7. Fir
8. Apple
9. Pine
10. Mulberry

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From rewb2 at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 14 20:56:33 1998
From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (rob b)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:56:33 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Erin?
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rory wrote: 
> 
> Ummm..... I can't seem to get through to Erin about the tape tree.
> 

someone else mentioned that - i reckon it's because of some computers on
which you can't distinguish between an 'l' and a '1'  (an 'el' and a
'one'!)  - i think her address is el0007 at whatever...  but it's an 'el' you
want not a 'one'
well, it worked for me at least, after finding that the 'one' version
didn't work.

sorry, that wasn't very well explained, and i'm not sure even if that's the
problem, but i can but try.

bye bye
rob
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From itstrue at xxx.net  Tue Jul 14 20:59:03 1998
From: itstrue at xxx.net (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:59:03 -0400
Subject: Sinister: "Century of Elvis" and other punishments
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Mr. Kitchen wrote:
> which is weird, as i would swear blind that if you listen closely to 'elvis' you can hear stuart
> murdoch warbling 'fakers'!

Oh, you can hear it alright, esp. at the beginning when the music drops
out and Stuart singing, "There are people going hungry..."  Of course,
it sounds like the vocals have been mixed out and all you can hear is
the reverb (natural though it may be).  And I'll say, again, that it
seems pretty obvious to me that "Fakers" was written first and then they
decided to do "Elvis" for fun.  But the problem with this list is that
there's probably someone out there who knows for sure and will tell me
I'm wrong in a wholly uncalled-for humiliating style.  Sigh...

Oh, and I've got an idea for the Supreme Honey: whenever anyone
sends a request to the list to be unsubscribed, you should not only make
sure that they stay ON the list, but that they get every letter sent to
them four times.  How long this punishment should last is up to you.

Beligerently
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From Stanleyboy at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 22:52:45 1998
From: Stanleyboy at xxx.com (Stanleyboy at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:52:45 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Ultrasound? Hmm. Feeder? Ugh.
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Yes, Ultrasound do spout some bollocks and Melody Maker even more so. But the
fact remains that Ultrasound are one of the brightest new bands in british
music at the moment. For a start they look different... which is quite
refreshing, and they (from what I've heard so far) write good songs. Also, I'd
side with you about the Manics, but Feeder!? They're a washed up load of
grunge toss if I ever heard it. Remember kids: Beauty lies in the eye of the
beholder. <g>

-Paul-

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From rod at xxx.com  Tue Jul 14 21:59:19 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:59:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Numbers Top Ten
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1.  8
2.  12
3.  pi
4.  1,000
5.  888
6.  99
7.  1
8.  googleplex
9.  3
10. 4

Luv,

Rod.

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From rnorth at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 01:15:00 1998
From: rnorth at xxx.uk (Northy)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:15:00 +0000
Subject: Sinister: A crack on the head
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To dear Sarah and to make sure the list doesn't see Ultrasound in a 
different light....

> They are HORRIBLE, DULL, BORING and gary Glitter went to seed ages ago,

Aha, but have you seen them live?

It was a truly magical performance.

If you have only heard the records, which I admit are above average 
at best, you have not experienced Ultrasound.

Nothing personal taken btw!
 
> You poncey little indie kids

Hey!  What about you?

But I'll change it just for you :)

bye

Northy

_____________________________________________________
look here (a different thread)

OK so.  I have Meat is Murder which is nice except for the pointless 
and dreary title track.  I mainly bought it 'coz it had How Soon is 
Now? on.  I know there is 'The Smiths' album but what's the title of 
the other album.  I am sure they did five.

How's about anonymous B&S faxes?  Just send your companies (that you 
dilligently work for) in to the list and we can send you pictures of 
foxes and snow and such.  It might confuse your boss but who knows 
what fun we could have (none most likely).

I agree, Feeder are shite but not so sure about the Manics.

What do Welsh bands have about selling out though?

Anyone here like Frente?  I have them on my completed tape tree tape 
and they are fab.  Sort of like Heather from the Sundays with an 
accomplish acoustic guitar backing.  If they had had a full band they 
would've been great me thinks.

Any Forest fans out there?  I'll see you there at Arsenal and we'll 
bring Mr. Petit back down to size (pun very much intended)

Top Ten Most Successful International Football Teams

1.  Brazil   2.  Germany  3.  Italy 4.  Argentina  5.  France  6.  
Czech Republic 7.  England  8.  Holland  9.  Denmark  10.  Uruguay

anyways

bye

Northy



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From mick at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 02:28:31 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:28:31 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Snow Patrol album, Treehouse soundfiles
Message-ID: <35AC05BF.31D30E2B@indiepop.com>


Ahoy there, Sinister Mateys,
	No, this isn't a pirate-themed message! I checked out the Jeepster page
today. It looks quite swell. I checked the "news" section and noticed
the tracklisting for Snow Patrol's album. One of the tracks was listed
as "Velocity Girl." Might this be a cover of the C86 Primal Scream
classic? I haven't even heard Snow Patrol yet (though I wanna ;) but
that would certainly be a nod in their favor (or favour) and make me
more likely to plop down the price of an import single to hear a band
I've never heard before.
	On the subject of these soundfiles from Stuart David's Treehouse...well
you see I have a 33.6 modem, but I'm home for the summer, and we have no
phone outlet in my room. So instead of getting a new phone line here, my
parents sensibly got me this doohickey which lets one utilize a phone
line in another room through a wall electric socket. Neat, eh? Well it
sounds neat but practically it's horriffic. It lets you connect, sure,
but for modems the baud rate fluctuates between 4800 bps and (rarely)
9600. Anyway, as a result, when listening to RealAudio files from the
web, I buffer for a few minutes, hear 10 seconds of Isobel's lovely
voice, and then it ends abruptly, before buffering for several more
minutes, then returning with 10 more seconds of the song where she left
off, then repeating until about halfway through, where it finally just
completely crashes. So...(boy I'm long-winded) is there a way to
download the whole file, or must it be listened to live only? The same
goes for the Looper files. Help!
 
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From HobieS at xxx.net  Wed Jul 15 04:15:45 1998
From: HobieS at xxx.net (Shackie)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:15:45 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Re:Mojave 3 second album name
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keenan gauthier wrote:

> Carrick said
>
> >Also on the discussion of Mojave 3, Slowdive's second >album,
> >which is named after either a greek delicacy, or a >line in
> >a porno a film, not sure which (in either case, I >forgot how to
> spell it)
>
>   I don't know for sure what its named after, but I do have a theory.
> I don't know about other countries, but here in Canada at large
> outdoor events you can often find what me and my buds call souvlaki
> spacestations.  These are little octagonal ufo-ish looking souvlaki
> stands which stand on little stilts.  They really do look like little
> spaceships which have touched down from some other wonderful galaxy.
>   Again, I don't know if this is what the album is named for, but its
> what I like to think.

tee hee! souvlaki is like...um...the hot dogs of greeceits really not at all
delicate....
weeeeiiird...
why would an album be named after a schizzzzzcabob?
(how on earth DO you spell that?)

~darling
...the greco-ri'er

ps: i got my lil cape verdean spanish chica coworker into belle today! how
silly...


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From HobieS at xxx.net  Wed Jul 15 04:32:09 1998
From: HobieS at xxx.net (Shackie)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:32:09 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Tree top ten
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Andrew O'Sullivan wrote:

> 1. Oak
> 2. Elm
> 3. Cherry
> 4. Birch
> 5. The Sinister Tape Tree
> 6. Willow
> 7. Fir
> 8. Apple
> 9. Pine
> 10. Mulberry

wowa...
SOMEONE's a bit bored...

~darling
...who is starting to get concerned

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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 04:45:30 1998
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:45:30 EDT
Subject: Sinister: The Geoffery Chaucer of Pop
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In a message dated 98-07-14 07:31:51 EDT, you write:

> I'm a big fan of the electric recording of "I Don't Believe You"
>  live in Belfast on the Biograph album. It's a complete racket, I can see
why
>  people were upset. Good stuff.

Oh gosh, -- if you are talking the version where he says, after playing a bit,
"This is called, 'I Don't Believe You.'  It used to be like that, now it goes
like this..." then, he stamps his foot, and the Band crashes in -- that was
recorded in May of 1966, most probably in Manchester at the Free Trade Hall,
altho' it has also been attributed to the Royal Albert Hall concert on May 26.
That's also the one where someone yells, "Judas" at him for going electric and
he says, "I don't believe you... you're a liar, a fucking liar."  It's
attributed to different shows on different recordings.  Must have been a great
tour, 1965 -1966, if the recordings are any indication at all.  Course, you
can see bits of it in "Don't Look Back."  

Sorry to be pedantic or whatever... they're just some of my favorite
recordings. Next I'll be going on about... the meaning of F!O!L!K!

--michele





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From Kayemess at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 04:51:17 1998
From: Kayemess at xxx.com (Kayemess at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:51:17 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Numbers Top Ten
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  Though Rod believes googleplex should be ranked number 8 on the list of top
ten numbers, I disagree.  Googleplex is the world's greatest and most perfect
number, and, thereby, it deserves to be ranked at number one. 

  I was browsing about today when I found the Norman Records site.  The first
7" I ever bought, (Grimace, grimace) Tristessa by the Smashing Pumpkins
(wince, wince), on Sub Pop and pressed on black vinyl, was listed as being
worth a whopping 39.99 British pounds.  I think I paid about the equivalent of
2 pounds for it.  
Should I sell or wait for the value to increase?  Or keep it, seeing as though
it was my first ever 7"?  

  Innie, outie, I don't care,
  Kristen 
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From PKHINTZ at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 04:51:53 1998
From: PKHINTZ at xxx.com (PKHINTZ at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:51:53 EDT
Subject: Sinister: the naughty cat
Message-ID: <d4d46a6d.35ac275a@aol.com>


	As I walking into the office building where I pretend to work each day, I
noticed that something seemed a bit "funny" about my bag.  Try to imagine the
horror I felt when I realized that my enamel Belle and Sebastian badge had
disappeared.  The only evidence that it existed was the tiny hole left from
the pin on the badge.  At my desk I searched through my bag in the slim hope
that the badge had fallen from the outside flap to the inside pouch of my bag;
not surprisingly it had not.  (Though I did find the back to the badge.)  I
walked back to the car, with my eyes to the walk looking for that badge; I
looked through the car--all to no avail!  As a last resort I called home and
asked my mother to search the house high and low for the badge and to beware
if the vacuum made a "grrchugchug" sound as it swallowed the badge.  
	
	Ah, but the badge was sitting on the table was I arrived home from work.
Apparently Madeline the kitty had been sleeping on it all day when it had
fallen onto a chair in the morning.  When I interrogated her as to why she did
it, she hinted that I would rather listen to B&S than to her mewing all day
(and she is correct!)  I knew cats were vengeful, but I never knew to what
depths their anger could take them.  This missing badge has come only two
weeks after the dis- and re-appearance of my Tintin mug.  Is there a pattern
emerging? 

	I can only wonder if Splat is the mastermind behind this plot, trying to
sabotage Sinister so Honey will pay more attention to her.

				Living and loving
						Matthew
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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 05:09:21 1998
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:09:21 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Tree top ten
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In a message dated 98-07-14 23:40:06 EDT, you write:

>  1. Oak
>  > 2. Elm
>  > 3. Cherry
>  > 4. Birch
>  > 5. The Sinister Tape Tree
>  > 6. Willow
>  > 7. Fir
>  > 8. Apple
>  > 9. Pine
>  > 10. Mulberry
>  


Is a mulberry properly a tree, or is it a bush?  Maybe it's both?  I've got a
reasonably tall one next to my house, it hardly seems to be a bush as it has
passed the porch roof and is now dropping berries on the car. But then again,
there is the nursery rhyme, "All around the mulberry bush, the monkey chased
the weasel.  Twas all in fun, the mulberry said, P!O!P goes the weasel."  Hard
to say, hard to say...

And, is it alright to mix deciduous trees with coniferous, or whatever, in the
same listing?  Would certainly make for a different list if you couldn't and
might be cheating if you do.  Is there something in the FAQ about this?  

I believe MickMcMick has things to share about whales... and perhaps the
shocking things that one sees late at night on the Discovery Channel.  But
then, maybe he's gone shy, and best not to consider the actions of Andre out
of  the whale a trois context...   And, nevermind the www.newt.fetish site.
Best to forget that, no?  

Best to get some sleep now.  

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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 05:25:23 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:25:23 EDT
Subject: Sinister: top 10 reasons why B&S should play Rhode Island
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10.  i'm not married
9.    when oasis played here someone flung a shoe at em
8.    if you dont i know a psychotic woman who will kill them (but only cos i
like em)
7.    we have the nations oldest 4th of july parade
6.    if they play here i will pee my pants with joy
5.    celine dion wouldnt be caught dead here
4.    jackie o and conan o'brien both used to spend their summers here
3.    i make arse-kickin' honeydew soup
2.    there is one club in all of providence...yeah!
1.    i forgot what tryptophan was

now those are unbeatable reasons

matt
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From mick at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 06:43:57 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:43:57 -0400
Subject: Sinister: A Whale of a Tale 
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MWaggner at aol.com wrote:
> I believe MickMcMick has things to share about whales... and perhaps the
> shocking things that one sees late at night on the Discovery Channel. 

	I thought this was a G-rated list? Besides, I was only watching
BUTTERFLIES on the Discovery Channel, unlike a certain radio priest...

> But then, maybe he's gone shy,

	Not likely!

> and best not to consider the actions of Andre out of the whale a trois
> context...   And, nevermind the www.newt.fetish site. Best to forget
> that, no?
>
> --Simone & the Radio Priests
>     7" available at a future date on MattressMass Records, featuring  "John's
>         Excommunication Due to a Lack of Indulgences"
>         Hear them Sunday mornings on Mass for Shut-Ins

	To comprehend fully the intricate meaning behind Simone's messages of
madness, please tune in to #sinister on IRC. You really wouldn't believe
some of the topics of discussion! Who needs friends when you've got a
modem? And now back to your regular scheduled list...

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 08:27:31 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:27:31 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Top Ten Top Ten
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.00.9807142157500.8038-100000@localhost.localdomain>
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1 numbers top ten
2 trees top ten
3 reasons for b&s gig top ten
4 guitar solos top ten
5 iron maiden top ten
6 bono jovi top ten
7 world cup top ten
8 can't remember any more
9 but why are we so dominated
10 by decimals. why don't we
11 have some top elevens?
12 espadrille (or twelves)

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From muellerj at xxx.EDU  Wed Jul 15 08:53:56 1998
From: muellerj at xxx.EDU (Telepathic Traffic)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:53:56 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Sinister: top 10 reasons why B&S should play Rhode Island
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10) someone needs to play their before all the clubs close
9) the Phoenix will try ever so hard to find a photo for their write up
8) Newbury stocked all the EPs 
7) WRIU was hip to them 
6) Providence needs more indie-cred
5) Brown university proboly has more international students (who would
   recognize B&S) than US students
4) lush greenery and rocky shores like Scotland
3) the show will attract commuters from several surrounding states
   who will ensure all 52 local Donkin Donuts will receive buisness
2) RI will at least always remain better than New Jersey
1) It will finally give me a worthwild reason to return to the place
   I once called home for 17 years

*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&
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On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 BCapirigi at aol.com wrote:

> 
> 10.  i'm not married
> 9.    when oasis played here someone flung a shoe at em
> 8.    if you dont i know a psychotic woman who will kill them (but only cos i
> like em)
> 7.    we have the nations oldest 4th of july parade
> 6.    if they play here i will pee my pants with joy
> 5.    celine dion wouldnt be caught dead here
> 4.    jackie o and conan o'brien both used to spend their summers here
> 3.    i make arse-kickin' honeydew soup
> 2.    there is one club in all of providence...yeah!
> 1.    i forgot what tryptophan was
> 
> now those are unbeatable reasons
> 
> matt
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From aevans at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 09:33:31 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:33:31 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Needles
Message-ID: <01BDAFD3.C2D151A0@pc07628>



So many threads and not enough needles....

Sarahstude wrote :

>Northy Quoted...
>"Gary Glitter's gone to seed so who will lead us now?"

Probably that Glampuss out of Earl Brutus...knees up Mother Brown.

>And as for those...Guitar Solos?

What about the Weddoes...Bizzaro about track 9 I think...goes on for about 8 minutes...very repetitive but itsaverygoooooooood.

Fairweathernorthy wrote :

>Any Forest fans out there?  I'll see you there at Arsenal and we'll 
>bring Mr. Petit back down to size (pun very much intended)

I doubt this oh so very much, and I think you should be expecting a Honeysplat any second now for blatant f***ball references.

Mick McMick from Micktown wrote :

>I haven't even heard Snow Patrol yet (though I wanna ;) but
>that would certainly be a nod in their favor (or favour) and make me
>more likely to plop down the price of an import single to hear a band
>I've never heard before.

Patience my dear, I am sure that they are likely to crop up on the fruit of the Sinister tape tree...
I have "Little Hide" and "100 things.." and whilst I find them most enjoyable, I will risk my neck on the Jeepster block and say they aren't really anything new/special like our beloveds.

Keith the Preef wrote :

>I know how you feel, not that I get to go on Holiday very much, but, I've
>always gone to lovely places in Britain rather than abroad, where it's too
>hot and the merest bit from an insect can kill you!  Places like >Llandudno, Blackpool and Largs. Charming they all are.

I booked my first holiday abroad in over ten years a few weeks ago, and guess which fortnight it coincides with.  Awkward gets !!  I've had to change it to one week so I can go to one of the uk dates.  Should have stayed at home.

Mark wrote :

>I'm too frightened of vendettas to list their least inspired songs, but
>if anyone wants to discuss this privately, feel free.

Surely by Jeeves this list accommodates constructive criticism of B&S as well as singing their praises and Keiths top ten birdseed flavours.
I for one think "Me & the Major"  (sorry if it's wrong song-title..too much cyder does the memory banks no good at all) is totally uninspired...it's just there, and drags IYFS down....I am now firmly swaying over to Tigermilk these days whereas before I was IYFS biggest fan.

I better go now before I take up a whole digest.

Adrian.x.
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From ronbarrett at xxx.ie  Wed Jul 15 10:47:00 1998
From: ronbarrett at xxx.ie (Barrett R)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:47 +0200 (CET-DST)
Subject: Sinister: Top Tens Rule
Message-ID: <01IZFIAFGWT6002TN3@vms.eurokom.ie>



Hello all

I know that this was about 5 Top Tens ago, but the guitar solo on Big Star's 
"September Gurls" is awesome.

I would also like to fourth/fifth/whatever the recommendations for the 
Pernice Brothers album.  The Woody Guthrie thing that Billy Bragg and Wilco 
have done is really good as well.

Does anyone out there know much about Jim White?  He played in Dublin last 
week and he was both sublime (when his drum machine wasn't in use) and 
ridiculous ( when the drum machine was on, thereby drowning his lovely 
country tunes out) in equal measures.  His album "Wrong Eyed Jesus" is one 
of the best things I've heard in ages though, and yet he doesn't seem to get 
much press on this side of the ocean.

Was anyone else really jealous of all those parties in France over the last 
couple of days?  I was over there at that sports event which shall remain 
unmentioned (I'm already on a yellow card from Honey over the nationalism 
thing, I think) a couple of weeks back and I was delighted for them as the 
whole nation failed to live up to their stereotype by being dead friendly 
the entire time.  Although Ronaldo must have been really ill to let Frank 
LeBouef mark him out of the game.

Ronan

PS  Loved the Gregorian Chant Top Ten!  All classics, no doubt.
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From emason at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 11:02:50 1998
From: emason at xxx.com (Ed Mason)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:02:50 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re:My Bloody Valentine/Guitar Solos
In-Reply-To: <199807141732.SAA09592@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980715110250.006a3720@mail.u-net.com>


At 18:32 14/07/98 +0100, you wrote:
>
>sinister-digest         Tuesday, July 14 1998 
        
>> someone mentioned the top 10
>> guitar solos, and that sounded like a great idea. 
>> 1. Stone Roses - I am the resurrection. This rules it's as simple as that
>> 2. Television - Marquee Moon. Not Tom Verlaine's bit, but the little
>widdly
>> bit that Richard Lloyd does after the first chorus
>> 3. Neil Young - All along the watchtower. There was this great bit a few
>> years ago on the the telly where Neil Young and Pearl Jam do this and the
>> boy from Pearl Jam do a solo each, and Neil Young's guitar is about 10
>times
>> as loud as the other bloke, and he just plays this one long wobbling note
>> and then goes away, totally upstaging the pearl jam lad.

>1) Something by J Mascis. Arguably his career is a mere footnote to Mr
>Jung, but the solo on their version of "Just Like Heaven" rocks like a
>mutha.

How about the fabulously insane guitar solo on 'A House IS Not A Motel' by
LOVE on that greatest of all LA folk/rock/pop/psychedelic type LPs Forever
Changes,(Elektra, 1967), it just cuts out abruptly at its speed-crazed
height with out so much as a by-your-leave, proving difficult if you choose
to DJ with it (although the opportunities to do this are rare, if not
non-existent, these days...)
 
>list...hmmm...maybe I can get away with recommending My Bloody
>Valentine.....! if you haven't heard them, do so! The LP Loveless is the
>most beautiful noise you'll ever hear!
>

You certainly can, indeed there should be more such recommendations, how
about this for a MBV top-five;

1) Lovelee Sweet Darlene ('New Record By' EP, Kaleidoscope, 1986)

2) Strawberry Wine (12" Single, Lazy, 1987)

3) (Please) Lose Yourself In Me ('Ecstasy' LP, Lazy, 1987)

4) Soft As Snow (But Warm Inside) ('Isn't Anything' LP, Creation, 1988)

5) You Made Me Realise (EP, Creation, 1988)

Although of course this is but the tip of the proverbial iceberg, and
pretty much any of the above can be substituted for another (except Nos. 1
& 5). (and probably  No.2)

Also, on a B&S relational note, I have a friend who insists on the
similarity between 'Le Pastie..' and 'Strawberry Wine'...

Also, has anybody else heard the new offering by David Gedge? 'Kerry
Kerry', Cinerama, on Cooking Vinyl, it's rather fine in a shimmering upbeat
pop, strings, and harmonies kind-of-a-way, suggesting to my mind that he
retains a degree of his pop (or should that be P!O!P!, (?) I'm new to the
list) sensibility of yore

Cheers
Ed
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From Mark at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 12:11:05 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:11:05 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Top Tens
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My Top top ten:

1. Gaz Top
2. "Top o' the mornin'"
3. Topiary
4. Big Top
5. Top Hole
6. Top (dodgy baggy chancers)
7. "sTop (the love you save)" - Madder Rose version
8. Tops and fingers (sorry)
9. Top Man
10. The word Top has suddenly ceased to have any meaning for me, which
deserves an entry in itself.

Is the joke dead yet?

If anyone in the world can say Ultrasound are worth looking at, then
they're wrong. You know really sad, unstylish people who radiate
grimness? That's Tiny. Not his weight (hardly something worth showing
off either), but his foul face, and dreadful clothes. Eurgh.

Uncharacteristically, I have to do something quite urgent, so I'd better
go. Rory, thanks for helping along my reputation as the list's psycho -
now all you have to do is marry my sister or your behavior will bring
shame upon the family. You shoulda thought more carefully before buying
her a kebab, my friend - in Sicily that is a proposal of matrimony. Rory
- my brother in law - I look after you, maybe a job in the family
business, eh?


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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 11:51:44 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:51:44 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Top ten squared.
Message-ID: <35AC89C0.7E05@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>


Top ten sinister top tens:-

 1. Gregorian chanting

 2. Death metal guitar solos

 3. Trees

 4. Numbers

 5. Rhode Island

 6. Mark Cassaratos "10 listees I'd most like to beat to a bloody pulp
with the hind leg of a puppy"

 7. The Dukes "10 most important inventions of the 20th century ripped
off from me"

 8. Honeys top ten reprimands.

 9. 1!0! T!H!I!G!S! S!P!E!L!T! W!I!T!H E!X!C!L!AM!A!T!I!O!N! M!A!R!K!S!

 10. List crushes.

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From tourajsig2 at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 12:31:17 1998
From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:31:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Ten Top Ten
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1.  Tenpole Tudor
2.  'Love Me Tender'
3.  'Ten Rillington Place'
4.  'Mars Is A Ten'
5.  'Stend And Deliver'
6.  'My Uzi Weighs A Ten'
7.  Dixy's Midnight Runners
8.  'Pale Shelter' by Tears for Fears
9.  Erm...
10.  (gulp)

Mike (dead horses flogged, evenings and weekends).





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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 12:51:39 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:51:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Top ten reasons why Adrian speaks with a forked tongue
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Adrian barked:

>I for one think "Me & the Major" (sorry if it's wrong song-title..too
>much cyder does the memory banks no good at all) is totally
>uninspired...it's just there, and drags IYFS down.

This is rubbish and I shall explain why, in the popular top ten
format.  I considered doing it as a Socratic dialogue, but it just
seemed too much work for a brain trained on flabby boy's anal
obsessions.

1.  It involves a character who is not a schoolgirl.  Schoolgirls are
great but people will start talking if *every* song I listen to
involves them.

2. The "Because the snow is falling falling falling" coda is the most
heart-wrenchingly romantic since... something else really good

3. It's a clever reworking of the "Ballard of the Thin Man" for the
younger generation who grew up fast.  Possibly.

4. The friend of someone on the list friend thought it he was singing
about "Me and the Midget", which made the "don't see eye-to-eye on it"
line impossibly wonderful.

5. It storms in and kicks bugle ass after the gay boy foppery of
"Seeing Other People".

6. It is possibly the fastest tempo song that has the capacity to make
me openly weep.  Oh no, I'm confusing it with 2-Unlimited's "No Limit"
again, aren't I?

7. The line about rememerbering Roxy Music in '72 reminds me of an
ex-army neighbour of mine who had a collection of 70's rock albums in
his basement that I helped him sell at a car boot sale.

8. The way the song unites the Major, Stuart Murdoch and *us* in a
vague sense of having having been left behind somewhere along the
line.  Apologies for the new seriousness (TM) suddenly injected into
this reason.  Feel free to tell me I've totally missed the point or
should restrict myself to talking about the best newt drum solo ever.

That's only eight, but taking espadrille's complainta of number basism
on board, there's no reason to go on.  And I think eight suits majors.
 Either eight or five.  It always seems inappropriate that it's track
number three.


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From keith at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 12:53:52 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:53:52 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Catty time
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>Firstly, I'm worried that Ciflux's desire to learn more about reading
>material may spur some of the more pompous among you to go for more cred
>points by recommending particularly cool/obscure tomes which are
>probably not much cop anyway. Do you think you could do this privately
>if you have to?


Who the fuck is being pompous here? You figure you can tell other people
what to write and what not to write, tell them to talk about it privately
and then send that mail to the list - and at the end of the mail ask that
they reply privately to the bloke. That seems slightly over the top if you
ask me. Since when did you decide who posts what to the list? There are 500
people on this list and not everyone's interested in all the posts, but some
people are interested in some posts. If things get out of hand Paul mentions
it and in any case, they usually run their course. No-one's posted to you to
tell you that you ought to post something more interesting have they? This
list is supposed to be for everyone, not just things any one individual
might find to be interesting.




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From John.Jackson at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 09:59:59 1998
From: John.Jackson at xxx.com (Jackson,John)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:59:59 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Long Shot
Message-ID: <496EAC3581323A7C%496EAC3581323A7C@inet.ctxi.com>


Ho

bet you all thought I was talking about Teenage Fanclub there, well no.
I was wondering if anyone out there in cyberland knows of a website where
I can find out info on THE JAGS, who had a lovely hit in the seventies with
"I've got your number written on the back of my hand", or possibly it was just
called "Written on the back of my hand" or even "Back of my hand".

Maybe even just "Hand".

But I digress, could you mail me privately rather than clog up the list please.

On a lighter note, I had some lovely sausages for breakfast, I cooked them
last night and they were smashing, cold, in pittabread. Last night when 
 I went to
bed I pulled a random tape from the tape drawer to listen to, it was a 
 Kitchens Of
Distinction album, no idea what it's called, it's the one with "Drive 
 That Fast" on it.
I'd forgotten I used to like the ol' Toilets of Destruction, anyone 
 remember "The
Third Time We Opened The Capsule" ? The bit after the 2nd chorus where the
guitars go OOOOOOOOOWWWWWOWOWOWOOOWOWOWOWOWOWO
and go all majestic and celestial (sonic catherdral TM) etc.

I'm meeting my list crush (which one you all ask) at the airport tomorrow.

My favourite song today is "Carolyn's Fingers" by the Cocteau Twins. Thanks
Bye
JJ
xx

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From John.Jackson at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 10:06:43 1998
From: John.Jackson at xxx.com (Jackson,John)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:06:43 +0100
Subject: Sinister: for the sake of clarity I should just point out
Message-ID: <F86FAC3581323A7C%F86FAC3581323A7C@inet.ctxi.com>


Earlier on, that same day, I wrote :

>I'm meeting my list crush (which one you all ask) at the airport tomorrow.

I know what you were thinking - but it's NOT Tag, he couldn't make it.

JJ
zzzzzzzz

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From John.Jackson at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 11:05:14 1998
From: John.Jackson at xxx.com (Jackson,John)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:05:14 +0100
Subject: Sinister: ISO9002 qualified
Message-ID: <467EAC3581323A7C%467EAC3581323A7C@inet.ctxi.com>


Q : What's the most efficient way to kill a circus?

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A : Go for the juggler

HA
go on
JJ
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From Mark at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 13:44:42 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:44:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: B&S crap songs
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Adrian,

One big reason why I didn't want to discuss the less then perfect oeuvre
of B&S is because people will immediately leap to the defense of their
faves, which is bad enough when you try to have a conversation about it
- on the list it could take months, and cost thousands of lives.

Having said that, Me and the Major is great, especially the "Snow is
falling" bit - and the rest of it, actually. So ner.

Bye,
Biondino
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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 14:20:04 1998
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:20:04 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Re; Cattiness
Message-ID: <556c8c20.35acac86@aol.com>



Boys!  Play nice!!  

As someone who posts drivel that no one is interested in, I always hope people
will make judicious use of their DELETE keys and not think poorly of me in the
end...  Quite frankly tho', I am sometimes really afraid to post as someone
might reply in this manner to ME! -- and my fragile self-esteem will be
shattered into tiny bits and I will have to unsubscribe and then never be able
to listen to B&S again and have to play, gosh -- Aerosmith or, or... well
something as horrible as that (sorry any Aerosmith fans that might be lurking
out there...)

This is a great list -- people make friends and some have found good friends
and even   crushes --  it's like a family sometimes, and the sibling rivalry
is inevitable sometimes I guess.  I'll play "mum" and remind everyone to mind
their manners send a nice thank you note off to Honey for giving us all such a
nice gift and maintaining it so well.  

I will refrain from suggesting we be happy bunnies... and newts seem to be out
of the question as they tend to bite as well...   Well, lets just play nice on
the schoolyard and keep our cattiness and boredom to ourselves.  God knows
we're all twits from time to time.

--michele
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From HobieS at xxx.net  Wed Jul 15 14:48:03 1998
From: HobieS at xxx.net (Shackie)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:48:03 -0400
Subject: Sinister: top 10 reasons why B&S should play Rhode Island
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BCapirigi at aol.com wrote:

> 10.  i'm not married
> 9.    when oasis played here someone flung a shoe at em
> 8.    if you dont i know a psychotic woman who will kill them (but only cos i
> like em)
> 7.    we have the nations oldest 4th of july parade
> 6.    if they play here i will pee my pants with joy
> 5.    celine dion wouldnt be caught dead here
> 4.    jackie o and conan o'brien both used to spend their summers here
> 3.    i make arse-kickin' honeydew soup
> 2.    there is one club in all of providence...yeah!
> 1.    i forgot what tryptophan was
>
> now those are unbeatable reasons
>

don't forget the enticing waterfires...wouldn't that be a venue? a million locals
with big hair decked out in full eighties garb coming to check out the singing
fires floating on the providence river while real imported venetian goldoliers
carrying rich mafioso members glide by....and b&s could be performing
inconspiciously nearby...
tee hee....
oh pooh....they wouldn't be playing till fall or winter though eh? hmmmm...
well....there ARE a million and one churches here tho....we are the most catholic
state...oops...that might scare them away...(i'm scared of catholics personally
too...)
dells lemonade
coffee milk
quohags
brown and risd

~darling
...ri'ers unite!

ps: why is "i'm not married" a reason? i think that's a um...whats it
called...hidden lil message or something...hmm....
i'm suspicious


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From HobieS at xxx.net  Wed Jul 15 14:52:36 1998
From: HobieS at xxx.net (Shackie)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:52:36 -0400
Subject: Sinister: top 10 reasons why B&S should play Rhode Island
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Telepathic Traffic wrote:

> 10) someone needs to play their before all the clubs close
> 9) the Phoenix will try ever so hard to find a photo for their write up
> 8) Newbury stocked all the EPs
> 7) WRIU was hip to them
> 6) Providence needs more indie-cred
> 5) Brown university proboly has more international students (who would
>    recognize B&S) than US students
> 4) lush greenery and rocky shores like Scotland
> 3) the show will attract commuters from several surrounding states
>    who will ensure all 52 local Donkin Donuts will receive buisness
> 2) RI will at least always remain better than New Jersey
> 1) It will finally give me a worthwild reason to return to the place
>    I once called home for 17 years
>

yaaaaay!more support for ri...this is overwhelming!
*sigh* i'm so happy...*sniff sniff*
(not really...but kinda...)
oh! and don't forget the topiary gardens of portsmouth...i think b&s would like it
there...

~darling
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From honey at xxx.net  Wed Jul 15 15:27:11 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:27:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Mummy's toybox
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Right, gather round me little bunnies because I want to have a word.
No-one, not anyone, on this list should be mailing the list and telling
other how to behave on it.  That goes for Mark and for Keith who 
replied to it with a slap and for anyone who's thinking of replying to
this.  I've been running this list for nearly a year now and by and
large I think I've done an OK job, I hope.  I'll step in when things
get out of hand or I think this list is becoming too hmm minority
interest, and I will always, *always* step in if someone bad-mouths
someone else.  Provocation is no excuse.  I don't like it and I won't
allow it.  If you want a list like that, well gosh, I guess you'll just
have to go off and create one yourself.

You know, I really don't like having to do things to keep the list
sweet, and mostly you are all little angels - I have posters of you all
up around my walls you know and I think you're all gorgeous.  But once
in a while I have to become Mother and it's not my idea of fun - I'm
very busy and a little tired and I just want this thing to run
invisibly.  And mostly it does thanks to you lot.  And I can't spend
ages trying to decide if something is a swipe at someone else or not -
I'll sometimes just decide to shh you.  Please don't take it
personally.

Your job here is not to decide how the list is run and what is to be
posted and big mummy things like that, but to be happy little souls
and have erm, fun.  And to occasionally read the list rules on the
WWW site and try and remember that there's 515 people listening to
every word you breathe, so think carefully what you post, and make
sure you aren't showing off your big new dumper truck or Sindy, but
that you just want to part of a community.

So you go on and tell us the books you've read that you think are
good, and don't worry if you think they're obscure - even better
someone volunteer to collect them offline and send a summary back to
the list.  I don't want *anyone* to feel nervous about posting to
this list because they might not be IN or know enough or might get a
slagging.  And don't go telling someone else off publically for being
pompous.  People are welcome to mail me privately and tell me what
they think of the list and if they like or dislike the way it's going
and any positive suggestions to help - and it's nice to be told once
in a while that the list is nice, because I don't get paid for this
:)  I'm busy at the moment so I might have trouble getting back to
you but please do send me comments about the list if the spirit moves
inside you, but don't complain TO the list!

Now - off you go, wipe your tears and go and play in the sand pit.  Tea
will be in 30 minutes so make sure you wash your hands.

Honey with a hankie xxx



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From honey at xxx.net  Wed Jul 15 15:30:19 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:30:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: no you have to press record and play at the SAME time, Dad
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Oh yes.  Our hero of the hour, well year, is understandably a bit fed
up organising Tigermilk/session blind dates between tapers and tapees
as he ended up having to do them all himself.  So round of applause
to the man in the mask, I'll be removing mention of it soon, and we
need to decide the best way to deal with this in the future:

1) Let all requests come back to the list again without moaning.
Each person who asks will get none, one or 100 replies from willing
tapers.  It's crude, it works but it's a little tiresome.

2) Someone else volunteer to be coordinator.  You may wish your name
to be private but I think Jeepster have made their position clear:
tape copies of something unreleased until it is are hmm.. tolerated.
So the coordinator would make sure s/he had a regular supply of
volunteers to do tapings on each side of the Atlantic and maybe
elsewhere too and would match people up geographically close-ish.

3) Just a load of willing tapers.  But this would have to be
permanent volunteers really as I haven't time to be 2) as well as
list owner.  I'd just stick their email addressed up on a WWW page,
their locations and have done with it.

Comments to me please (my email address, not the list) in the next week
and in the absence of any substantial ones I'll just go for 1).  Please
bear in mind before you go volunteering that the number of requests may
go up come September 7th/8th, and I don't want to go sending out this
message all over again in three months time :).  Oh, and that I seem to
be allergic to stamps as the casualties of the Beat Patrol tape fiasco
will tell you (I still feel guilty - jj - it's in the tape deck NOW!).

Oh quickly, a reminder: Jeepster are generally quiet about tapes, but
they feel they have to act when someone mentions CD copies publically.
That's their position, you may disagree but let's not have a rehash of
this on the list please.

That's it, can I go and play now? - Honey xxx

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From itstrue at xxx.net  Wed Jul 15 15:59:58 1998
From: itstrue at xxx.net (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:59:58 -0400
Subject: Sinister: They're taking it out on us
Message-ID: <35ACC3EF.793@earthlink.net>


I was going to do a top ten list of why B&S should come to North
Carolina, but I thought I'd just boil it down to a few:

* Because Schoolkids AND Record Exchange both stocked the EP's.  And
they're both selling bootlegged CD-R's of Tigermilk.  Just kidding...

* Because the famous Cat's Cradle can promise that the sound will be
really bad.

* Because Carrboro (attached to Chapel Hill and home of said Cat's
Cradle) was mentioned in some Oasis book: "Carrboro?!  Where the hell is
that?!  We stayed on the bus."

* Because we all know that B&S will play in both D.C. and New York,
which means that all the people in Rhode Island and Baltimore will be
able to see them with no problem.  Aren't there any American listees in
far-flung places that we know B&S will NOT be playing anywhere near
(Westerners in big cities aren't allowed to answer)?  Am I the only
Southerner on the list?  Hell, even if they play Atlanta (doubtful),
I'll still have a long haul...

* Because they'll have a damn big crowd.

There.  That wasn't so hard, was it?

Pointlessly,
    Reid
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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 16:02:17 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:02:17 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tree top ten
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> Andrew O'Sullivan wrote:
> 
> 1. Oak
> 2. Elm
> 3. Cherry
> 4. Birch
No, no no!  _Everyone_ knows that number 4 is
"The...LARCH."  
Tchah.  Get it right! ;)

Does no-one adhere faithfully to the holy scripture of Monty Python these
days?


                              ByeBye,
                                           Liz

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From james at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 16:07:41 1998
From: james at xxx.com (James Errington)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:07:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Obscure Alternatives
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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 16:18:55 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:18:55 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re:My Bloody Valentine/Guitar Solos
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> Ed Mason wrote:
> 
> Also, has anybody else heard the new offering by David Gedge? 'Kerry
> Kerry', Cinerama, on Cooking Vinyl, it's rather fine in a shimmering
> upbeat
> pop, strings, and harmonies kind-of-a-way, suggesting to my mind that he
> retains a degree of his pop (or should that be P!O!P!, (?) I'm new to the
> list) sensibility of yore
> 
Oh yes.  Peelie played another track off the forthcoming album last night,
and lo, it was grrreat.  It was called "Hate", I think, and it was
knicker-wettingly funny.  And very pretty pop (I refuse to do that
exclamation marks thing.  I believe it is foolish ;P) music.  Marvellous
stuff.  Oh, and they're in session on the Peel show tomorrow night and all,
so don't miss it, kids!


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From aevans at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 16:25:31 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:25:31 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Major Crisis
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Nick Dastardly & Mutley yelped :

>This is rubbish

Don't mess around then !

>1.  It involves a character who is not a schoolgirl.  Schoolgirls are
>great but people will start talking if *every* song I listen to
>involves them.

Clearly I cannot argue with this.

>5. It storms in and kicks bugle ass after the gay boy foppery of
>"Seeing Other People".

Oh no..oh no oh no no oh no non nein never....

This is without doubt the best track on the album and completely unfortunate that it is track two...as Gl**n H*d*le says, you don't want to peak too early....Seeing Other People is the premature ejaculation amongst all album tracks.

>Feel free to tell me I've totally missed the point or should restrict myself >to talking about the best newt drum solo ever.

I can't disagree with much of what you say apart from your fifth point, However what I was getting at is that "Major" TO ME is totally out of place on IYFS.  I am not saying that all B&S songs should sound the same or that the band should adopt one style, on the contrary, I just don't think IYFS was the right place for that track to appear.  And your argumes aren't exactly vote-clinchers eh ?

Don Mark-o Casarotto wrote :

>One big reason why I didn't want to discuss the less then perfect oeuvre
>of B&S is because people will immediately leap to the defense of their
>faves, which is bad enough when you try to have a conversation about it
>on the list it could take months, and cost thousands of lives.
>Having said that, Me and the Major is great, especially the "Snow is
>falling" bit - and the rest of it, actually. So ner.

I see no problem in healthy debate over which songs are great and which songs are shite as long as you don't lose the thread...it is B&S content after all.  Obviously we all see ourselves as armchair critics and I except yours and Nicks views as subjective opinion, which we are all entitled to.

NOW SOME BASTARD BACK ME UP ON THIS ONE !!!

Oh and Miller...STOP THAT PIDGEON.

Penelope Pitstop.
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From HobieS at xxx.net  Wed Jul 15 17:08:18 1998
From: HobieS at xxx.net (Shackie)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:08:18 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Major Crisis
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> ....Seeing Other People is the premature ejaculation amongst all album tracks.
>

what a beautiful metaphor....really

~darling
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From ronbarrett at xxx.ie  Wed Jul 15 16:17:00 1998
From: ronbarrett at xxx.ie (Barrett R)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:17 +0200 (CET-DST)
Subject: Sinister: Crap songs
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Ooops, two posts in one day.

Anyway, Penelope wrote:

>NOW SOME BASTARD BACK ME UP ON THIS ONE !!!

And I am that soldier.  My least favourite B&S track is Electronic 
Renaissance.  I don't mind them trying something new, but I just don't think 
this one works at all.  And LLPJ annoys me a bit because even though I think 
it's a fine tune it's hard to escape the fact that that woman's voice does 
my head in.

I'll set Honey on you if you lot get nasty about this...

Ronandinho
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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 17:26:57 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:26:57 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re:My Bloody Valentine/Guitar Solos
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Ed Mason wrote:

> You certainly can, indeed there should be more such recommendations, how
> about this for a MBV top-five;
> 1) Lovelee Sweet Darlene ('New Record By' EP, Kaleidoscope, 1986)
> 2) Strawberry Wine (12" Single, Lazy, 1987)
> 3) (Please) Lose Yourself In Me ('Ecstasy' LP, Lazy, 1987)
> 4) Soft As Snow (But Warm Inside) ('Isn't Anything' LP, Creation, 1988)
> 5) You Made Me Realise (EP, Creation, 1988)
> Also, on a B&S relational note, I have a friend who insists on the
> similarity between 'Le Pastie..' and 'Strawberry Wine'...

ooh ooh ooh .. umm, i count myself as a bit of an mbv fan, but i've
never heard the pre-creation stuff ... anyone care to help me out on
this one?  what's the bloody buggery b-side that i love ... ummm, ummm,
i think it's on the "you made me realise" ep, oh pish ... shouldn't
drink at lunchtime sales meetings should i ... bollocks.

sorry all, will come back when i'm more coherent.

cheers,
Katrina.
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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 17:24:15 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:24:15 +0100
Subject: Sinister: And all without a model of a cows arse.
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Rory Mackie wrote:

>  Katrina, not only do we want a full review of the album, but we want
> it, track by track, through the media of interprative dance. I expect
> full video footage on the Jeepster site by tommorow. So get cracking
> woman and even try and act all coy and girlie like you always do. Least
> you forget, we've all seen you playing twister.

right you little bugger ... who was it that said there should be peace
on this list or something?  i'm going to abuse the rules (sorry paul)
... rory, you're a ... well, lovely person really ... ok, so i couldn't
bring myself to be so harsh. 

i thought that maybe doing an lp review would spoil it for everyone, so
i've decided not to for the time being.  plus i got accused for crawling
up to mr. miller too, so that's a good enough reason not to ... :)

i don't have to act coy and girlie ... it just comes naturally.

anyone else going to admit their list crushes? ... always makes for
entertaining reading.

bye bye,
Katrina.

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From Mark at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 18:23:56 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:23:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: List crushes - seeing other people (I wish)
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Firstly, list crushes. I can't imagine that there's anyone out there who
doesn't have a soft spot for at least one person on this list, single,
taken or involved in a huge list orgy at some airport or other (that
seems to be where all the lucky so-and-sos who have got dates seem to be
going - and to think I've been going to alt.sex.groupsex.tweepop all
this time). Actually, that reminds me that the nicest toilets I've ever
seen were at Rome's Ciampino airport - they'd be an epic setting for a
bit of genuine, 1st century AD romping - all we need is Frankie Howerd.

I suggest, then, that we all publicly name one list crush. Whoever gets
the most votes gains the Droit de Seigneur and can arrange airport-based
dates with whosoever he or she fancies. Voting for HoneyPaul, though
obviously merited, should be discounted as Linda might get stroppy and
anyway, if we're all his children, things might all come over a bit
Greek Tragedy (are there any B&S songs that touch on incest? Not that
I'm interested or anything, oh no).

To kick things off, my vote goes to Nick Dastoor - my harassment
campaign will not cease until he sets his dad on me or something.

And onto Seeing Other People - I have yet to find anyone who agrees with
me, but I reckon that apart from the words, it's perhaps the weakest B&S
song by quite a long way. The melody just doesn't grab me, I think the
piano at the beginning is the wrong instrument, it just doesn't have,
for me, the magic that pervades pretty much every other song. Sorry.

Electronic Renaissance, however, COMPLETELY works for me. The drums are
just so, so great, and the chords between the arpeggioed beginning and
the main body of the song (the simple warm synth chord, which goes up a
perfect fourth (is that the right term?), and then does it once more, is
one of my very favourite B&S moments). It's certainly one of the tunes I
really look forward to hearing whenever it comes on (inevitably, if I'm
with someone in my car listening to Tigermilk, I'll say "oh God, this is
the greatest song ever!" 5 or 6 times as the album plays).

Sorry, rambling again. 

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From tasha at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 18:43:29 1998
From: tasha at xxx.com (Girl Racer)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:43:29 -0700
Subject: Sinister: top tens
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hi,

just wanted to say that all these top tens are making me really glad i'm on
this list, cause you sinister people are all soooooo funny. you really make me
laugh. especially the "numbers top ten". :D

also someone on the Smiths mailing list (yes, i'm an email geek)  posted that
the B&S song "seeing other people" has the same/similar chord progression to
the theme song to the 80's sitcom "charles in charge".  so i of course had to
seek out the theme song to see for myself & in the process found this very nice
page of 80's theme music... (you have to have real audio player though)  but
check it out.  it's got commercials too. the TAB theme song is particularly
nice.

http://www.webhangers.com/~tvthemes/

well. the two songs are pretty similar, not THAT similar...

so does anyone have a list crush on me yet?  don't all email me at once now.

l?u?v?

t!a!s!h!a!

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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 17:36:16 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:36:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Major Crisis 
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I spouted:

>> 5. It storms in and kicks bugle ass after the gay boy foppery of
>> "Seeing Other People".

So Drain-boy Evans spurted:

>Oh no..oh no oh no no oh no non nein never....

> This is without doubt the best track on the album and completely  
> unfortunate that it is track two...as Gl**n H*d*le says, you don't 
> want to peak too early....Seeing Other People is the premature 
> ejaculation amongst all album tracks.

Ah-ha - but you've fallen into my trap. I never said that gay boy
foppery was a *bad* thing, did I?  That's just you and your rampant
homophobic gloss.  It's just you can have too much of a good thing, so
I am happy to let rough boy Major come riding into town on his big
strong horse.

I love the slow R1 session version of 'Seeing Other People' too, in
which Belle and Sebastian manage to recreate the halcyon sound of the
Velvet Underground circa 1968. But it must have its detractors too as
it only scores about 6 in the voting booth.  I bet there's a whopping
great Standard Deviation, though.  I'm going to start a campaign for
you to bring back Standard Deviation to the voting booth, David. And
add some regression analysis whilst you're about it.

No, 'If You're Feeling Sinister' (when was the lsat time someone spelt
that out in full, eh?  You lazy lot) is flawless.  Except *coughs* I
do have a slight problem with the last track.  I think it's the name
Judy. If only it were called... 'Morag and the Dream of Horses'.  No,
still no good.  Maybe it's the horses.  'Morag and the Dream of
Newts'.  Yes, much better.


Nick, who has not been called Nick Dastardly since primary school.

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From barzy at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 19:46:27 1998
From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:46:27 -0800
Subject: Sinister: List crushes - seeing other people (I wish)
Message-ID: <v01540b08b1d2a89adff6@[209.85.25.57]>



>And onto Seeing Other People - I have yet to find anyone who agrees with
>me, but I reckon that apart from the words, it's perhaps the weakest B&S
>song by quite a long way. The melody just doesn't grab me, I think the
>piano at the beginning is the wrong instrument, it just doesn't have,
>for me, the magic that pervades pretty much every other song. Sorry.
>
I think you're on crack...but hey...everyone has their own (and valued)
opinion...It's one of my favourites ever...."Weak" ain't a word i'd use to
describe any of their songs...even Semour Stein...and I can't stand that
guy. I think that should be a B side or something, and on the LP, put
"Modern Rock Song" in it's place..that one kills me.

As for list crushes..i'd never *publicly* say...sheesh....I don't wanna
embarrass the poor guy....


beth :D














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From tangent at xxx.net  Wed Jul 15 17:27:50 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:27:50 +0100
Subject: Sinister: pi, countdown and culture club
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> 3.  pi

there's a magnetic fields song ('the village in the morning') that has a
line about an 'Avenue pi'. Fuck knows what it's meant to mean.

i'm listening to my Beloved records, which are among my beloved records.
ha ha. Jon Marsh was a Countdown champion, and some kids told me today
that Jon Moss has made up with Boy George and that the Culture Club
reunion takes place in newquay at the end of August at a radio one
roadshow. Maybe they'll be doign surf versions of all their hits. And
maybe not.

the duke of seamless connections.


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From SLamba at xxx.COM  Wed Jul 15 19:15:20 1998
From: SLamba at xxx.COM (Lamba, Sanjeet )
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:15:20 -0700
Subject: Sinister: top tens
Message-ID: <422B07DB41D7D111B9AF00805F19B04CE8BD71@SFNS01>


I noticed a similarity between a B&S song and the Charles in Charge theme
song, but the song was Stars of Track and Field. The part where he sings
"You never know/because you never show it/you always get your way" sounds
exactly like "Charles in Charge/ of our days/ and our nights". What can I
say: great theme song, great album opener.


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Girl Racer [SMTP:tasha at xxx.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:43 AM
> To:	sinister at majordomo.net
> Subject:	Sinister: top tens
> 
> 
> hi,
> 
> just wanted to say that all these top tens are making me really glad i'm
> on
> this list, cause you sinister people are all soooooo funny. you really
> make me
> laugh. especially the "numbers top ten". :D
> 
> also someone on the Smiths mailing list (yes, i'm an email geek)  posted
> that
> the B&S song "seeing other people" has the same/similar chord progression
> to
> the theme song to the 80's sitcom "charles in charge".  so i of course had
> to
> seek out the theme song to see for myself & in the process found this very
> nice
> page of 80's theme music... (you have to have real audio player though)
> but
> check it out.  it's got commercials too. the TAB theme song is
> particularly
> nice.
> 
> http://www.webhangers.com/~tvthemes/
> 
> well. the two songs are pretty similar, not THAT similar...
> 
> so does anyone have a list crush on me yet?  don't all email me at once
> now.
> 
> l?u?v?
> 
> t!a!s!h!a!
> 
> -- 
> Tasha Wedeen
> tasha at pixar.com
> http://www.geocities.com/~girlracer
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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 19:17:24 1998
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:17:24 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Vote Rhode Island
Message-ID: <155eddbe.35acf237@aol.com>



ok, I don't come from R.I., I would hate to have to drive all that way from CT
to see the band there (soo please they have to play in NY as well, or maybe on
my front lawn).  But.  Years back I used to spend far too many weekends in
Narragannsett (please put in the correct number of n's and r's and t's), and I
was even sober sometimes, and I can definitely see them playing Rhode Island. 

Picture them at one of the Newport Mansions -- wow.  OK, for that alone you
have to vote for RI.

If there is truth to the rumor that they'll be playing boats, or floating
venues in the UK, well, where better than RI to continue the theme in the New
World?  You can't swing a dead carp in RI without hitting some nautical shit
or other.

Narragannsett itself has (had) that lovely archway down by the beach -- by the
big town green.  That would be lovely if the weather is nice.

I can't speak for Providence as I've never gotten off the highway there -- and
might I add it is one of the nastiest pieces of highway I've ever travelled
over? -- but it does have that organized crime thing happening, yes.

And, RI is the smallest state and deserves some attention for being so wee.


That's all I can think of right now, but I did want to lend some support as a
fellow New Englander.


--michele
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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 19:25:02 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:25:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: a dreaded sunny day
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at t in the park on Saturday, Rodddd went to see:
>THEAUDIENCE
>RIALTO 
>ULTRASOUND
> Alan Parker - Urban Warrior 
>SPIRITUALISED
>ASH

aaaaaaaargh! so did i! help, i'm being stalked! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

anyway, the mudfest that was Sunday afternoon was the best time i've had at
a festival EVER. this was due to the two reasons i went in the first place:
BERNARD BUTLER and GARBAGE, who where the best things in the whole wide
world and i will love them for ever and ever and ever and ever. so there.

michael jones wrote:
>Quite fond of the Brian May-isms on 'Shoplifters of the World Unite'.
 
this is my favourite song this week because of that sexy guitar solo. tho
its not as sexy as Bernard Butler with a big electric guitar, thrashing
around on stage. mmmm, i could watch him do that forever...

Northy (i think) wrote something about whether there were 5 Smiths albums.
Well, there's only really 4 'proper' ones, but heres a list of the ones
they've released that i can remember:
1. The Smiths
2. Hatful of Hollow (b-sides, sessions etc)
3. Louder than Bombs (singles, b-sides etc i think)
4. Meat is Murder
5. The Queen Is Dead
6. Strangeways Here We Come
7. Rank (live tracks)
8. The World Wont Listen (kind of a 'best of' comp. but not really)
and then there's those 'Best of...' 1&2 and the Singles one which were
released much later. i think thats about it, but i've probably forgotten
something...

love,
Debbie
(pissed off that the manics are only playing Dundee AND have grown crap
beards. not that there are any good beards, mind you... urgh.)

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 19:31:40 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:31:40 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Major Crisis 
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> I love the slow R1 session version of 'Seeing Other People' too, in
> which Belle and Sebastian manage to recreate the halcyon sound of the
> Velvet Underground circa 1968. 


yes, it;s SO much better than the other, peanuts-piano version.
painfully wistful, and wistfully painful, and all that. and so much better
on account of being slower and a duet. but, as you say, we're on our own
out here. 

I bet there's a whopping
> great Standard Deviation, though.  I'm going to start a campaign for
> you to bring back Standard Deviation to the voting booth, David. And
> add some regression analysis whilst you're about it.

and what about t-tests. how the hell i got thru my further bl**dy maths
a-level (sucker for punishment)  without grasping them i'll never know.

esplanade

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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 19:31:14 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:31:14 +0100
Subject: Sinister: so lets go where we're happy
Message-ID: <E0ywWME-000789-00@rhenium.btinternet.com>


MWaggner wrote:
>If there is truth to the rumor that they'll be playing boats, or floating
>venues in the UK, well, where better than RI to continue the theme in the
New
>World?  You can't swing a dead carp in RI without hitting some nautical
shit
>or other.

hey! they could do a gig on a barge on the Union Canal. It flows right past
my house. That would be so cool, we could all sit on the bank and watch
them. Or walk along beside the barge- they're not exactly the fastest
things in the world...

just a thought.

debbie x

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From Delaware9 at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 19:33:30 1998
From: Delaware9 at xxx.com (Delaware9 at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:33:30 EDT
Subject: Sinister: top tens
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In a message dated 98-07-15 13:46:06 EDT, Tasha wrote:

<< the B&S song "seeing other people" has the same/similar chord progression
to
 the theme song to the 80's sitcom "charles in charge". >>

My brother pointed out to me that the tune of "Judy and the Dream of Horses"
is rather similar to the theme song for "America's Funniest Home Videos."  I'd
quote it, but I dont remember the words...it's not the chorus part, but the
verse...

Jess
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 19:34:49 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:34:49 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: a dreaded sunny day
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On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, debbie wrote:

> 
> anyway, the mudfest that was Sunday afternoon was the best time i've had at
> a festival EVER. this was due to the two reasons i went in the first place:
> BERNARD BUTLER

did anyone hear about bernard butler having guitars and stuff nicked by
loopy fans? so are we going to turn debbie in now or wait until she
appears on crimewatch?

;-)
>  
> this is my favourite song this week because of that sexy guitar solo. tho
> its not as sexy as Bernard Butler with a big electric guitar, thrashing
> around on stage. mmmm, i could watch him do that forever...
> 
(cunningly pretending that poor bernard still has guitars to thrash about
with. but you don't fool us...)
> and then there's those 'Best of...' 1&2 and the Singles one which were
> released much later. i think thats about it, but i've probably forgotten
> something...


louder than bombs. half of hatful crossed with half of world won't.
originally import only, but everywhere now.

espadrille

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From JamesM at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 19:58:07 1998
From: JamesM at xxx.com (James Masente)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:58:07 -0700
Subject: Sinister: List crushes - seeing other people (I wish)
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the lovely and talented barzy at networkmags.com (Madame Cholet) wrote:

>I think you're on crack...but hey...everyone has their own (and valued)
>opinion...It's one of my favourites ever...."Weak" ain't a word i'd use
to
>describe any of their songs...even Semour Stein...and I can't stand
that
>guy. I think that should be a B side or something, and on the LP, put
>"Modern Rock Song" in it's place..that one kills me.

Yeah, I'll second that.  Modern Rock Song is my current fave B&S track.
Why, dear God why, was this left off in favor of 'Sleep the Clock
Around' and 'Seymour Stein'?   Both are tremendously inferior, IMHO.  I
mean, how can you beat lyrics like "I put my arm around her waist, she
put me on the ground with judo?"  

~James, who says, "release MRS as a single, now!!!  Um, pretty please?"
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From muellerj at xxx.EDU  Wed Jul 15 20:06:13 1998
From: muellerj at xxx.EDU (Telepathic Traffic)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:06:13 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Sinister: top tens
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TOP TEN WAYS to UTILIZE B&S for IndieCred:

10) buy all 3 EPs and proclaim that they're all better than Sinister
    even though their not
9)  Tell everyone you saw them at CMJ in NY for all 3 shows
8)  talk about the time you met the band backstage in NY (even though
    you were pretty much ignored the whole time)
7)  make sure all your list posts refer to songs from either Tigermilk
    or the Radcliffe sessions
6)  wear your belle and sebastian t-shirt to every concert
5)  claim to have the first in-depth look at B&S in your self-glorifying
    fanzine
4)  talk about flying out overseas to see B&S 
3)  babble incessantly about the so-called 'secret' show that you heard
    is gonna happen
2)  make a Top Ten list about why you're the biggest B&S fan
1)  announce to the world that you have 3 copies of Tigermilk and that
    you won't part with them for less than $300 


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From itstrue at xxx.net  Wed Jul 15 20:18:09 1998
From: itstrue at xxx.net (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:18:09 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Nit-picking at the very few bad parts of B&S
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> And onto Seeing Other People - I have yet to find anyone who agrees with
> me, but I reckon that apart from the words, it's perhaps the weakest B&S
> song by quite a long way. The melody just doesn't grab me

You're kidding, right?  If you have any doubt that Seeing Other People
is one of the most perfect songs ever, play it on guitar, including the
crucial Am to A (A#m to A#, in actuality) at the "hand over the window"
part.  It's undeniable.  Perfect, perfect, perfect.  And the production
is perfect, too.  I love the piano bit.  And the doubled vocals at the
"You're kissing your elbow" part...oy.  

But unlike most other people, I actually really like Electronic
Renaissance.  If you want REAL controversy, here it is: We Rule The
School is pretty much my least favorite song of all of the official
released stuff.  I love the music, but I just can't get over "For anyone
to read and to see".  To read AND see?!!  And as pretty as it is, did
the world really need another take off of Pachelbel's Canon?  The Farm
proved that *that* was a bad idea years ago.  

> I love the slow R1 session version of 'Seeing Other People' too, in
> which Belle and Sebastian manage to recreate the halcyon sound of the
> Velvet Underground circa 1968. But it must have its detractors too as
> it only scores about 6 in the voting booth. 

I am one of those detractors.  I believe I gave it a two.  It's amazing
how such a great song can sound so bad.  Am I the only one who's
bothered by how off-key ALL THREE of them are?   The idea of doing is
slow is good, and I love the end bit (where no one's singing), but they
just didn't pull it off.  Maybe with a little more practice, it can live
up to it's potential.

> The part where he sings
> "You never know/because you never show it/you always get your way" sounds
> exactly like "Charles in Charge/ of our days/ and our nights".

Wow.  That's amazing.  Vince Guaraldi's Peanuts theme AND the theme to
Charles in Charge!  On the same album!  That said, the chances of any
member of B&S having even HEARD of Charles in Charge are pretty slim.  

But I strongly feel that the worst thing Belle and Sebastian have ever
done, and the only thing of their's that I don't at least *like* is
Hurley's Having Dreams.  Really, they were drunk, right?

Before he got electronic,
     Reid
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From chigger88 at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 20:21:45 1998
From: chigger88 at xxx.com (Burt Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:21:45 PDT
Subject: Sinister:  Completely off the subject
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I heard a rumour that The Fall will be touring the states this summer.  
Can anyone out there back this up?


Thank you,

Rachael  

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From calnd at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 20:22:35 1998
From: calnd at xxx.uk (Chris Leonard)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:22:35 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The Fox and the Boxer
Message-ID: <E0ywXAc-0008Mq-00@sand2.global.net.uk>


Today is a very strange day.  Despite being mid-summer, the sun has failed
to fire its sparkly grin upon my pale bones, resulting in a fair bit chilly
me.

Whatever could have happened to make the sun give up so?  Surely nothing is
so bad it would result in the ceasing of the sun.  God created it to create
life - why would God want to turn it off?  Eh?

Well, I know why.
Gather round and let me tell you a dark and chilling short story:

(This is nonsense made up from my brain and not based on anyone you know or
have ever heard of, so shh.)

The Fox and the Boxer
================
ch1.  1973

Little Struan M was a strange young boy.  He looked like a girl, walked
like a girl, talked like a girl - even when he tried to sing he sang like a
girl!  In fact if I hadn't just told you he was a boy, you would probably
think he was a girl too.  

Being so girlie made life very hard for young Struan.  You see, he lived in
the toughest street in the whole of Troon, a vile and wretched town on the
westermost coast of Scotland.  Everyone Struan ever saw wore big bubble
Kappa coats, and had drugs and strange angry eyes in their face. They
called Struan names like "Poofter" and "Bufftie", and often punched him
till it hurt.  Even Struan's dad was nasty to him.  "If I wanted a girl I'd
have fucking stole one", he used to say whilst leathering Struan.

You may think all this unpleasantness would have had a detrimental effect
on our young girlie hero.  Not at all!  He loved it!  "I'm so different
from everyone, I can't fail to become a pop star", he said.  And the
strange thing is he genuinely believed it.

ch2.  1984

Some years passed.   Struan was older and taller, but still girlie.  But he
got lucky, cos it suddenly became really trendy to be girlie and he got all
the proper lady girls!  They loved him and his lovely golden locks of
syrupy head hair.  He had a great time.  In fact, he was having such a
great time with the ladies he forgot all about his pop star career.  But
that didn't matter, he was busy.

ch3.

Some more years passed.  Our effeminate chum had grown weary of his uncanny
pulling power and shapely hips.  He decided he wanted to become a boxer of
all things!  A boxer!  How ridiculous is that?  As you may have suspected,
he wasn't very good at it.  He was good at taking, but not much cop at
pounding others in the ring.  For the 800th time he was on the canvas in a
daze, blood dripping from his pert ruby lips and little cartoon foxes
circling his head.

To Struan's surprise, one of the foxes stopped to speak to him!  "What are
you up to?", said the little fox, "I thought you wanted to be a pop
star!?".  "Nmmughagha", said Struan.  "Listen", said the fox "if you want
really want to be a pop star I know a quick and easy way, but you have to
really want it.  Do you want it!?".  "uh-huh" murmured Struan.  "I said DO
YOU WANT IT!??!", shouted the fox.  "UH-HUH" said Struan.  "SHOW ME HOW
MUCH YOU WANT IT THEN!!!!" demanded the fox.   "MMMMWAAAAAAAAGH!!!!", cried
Struan as he lept to his feet and knocked his opponent out cold with one
perfectly executed left uppercut.  "I WANT IT THAT MUCH!!!!!!!".   
"Follow me", said the fox.

The little fox led Struan out into a cold and wintry night.  "If you want
to make it, your going to have to make sacrifices.  Kill me a virgin,
smother yourself in her blood and spill your seed. Soon it will all start
to happen."

"OK", said Struan as his eyes turned an evil red.  

The year was 1996. 

WA HA HA HA HA HA HA (like the devil).
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From Scott_Turner at xxx.COM  Wed Jul 15 20:30:43 1998
From: Scott_Turner at xxx.COM (Scott Turner)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:30:43 -0400
Subject: Sinister: top tens
Message-ID: <85256642.006A5574.00@JHMAIL.JH.COM>


Alternative #1:
 1) claim to have slept with Belle, while Sebastian was playing with his
little stuffy animals...
     ... if you're a girl, or vice versa if you're a boy.

On 15 July at 19:06 GMT, Telepathic Traffic <muellerj wrote:

TOP TEN WAYS to UTILIZE B&S for IndieCred:

10) buy all 3 EPs and proclaim that they're all better than Sinister
    even though their not
9)  Tell everyone you saw them at CMJ in NY for all 3 shows
8)  talk about the time you met the band backstage in NY (even though
    you were pretty much ignored the whole time)
7)  make sure all your list posts refer to songs from either Tigermilk
    or the Radcliffe sessions
6)  wear your belle and sebastian t-shirt to every concert
5)  claim to have the first in-depth look at B&S in your self-glorifying
    fanzine
4)  talk about flying out overseas to see B&S
3)  babble incessantly about the so-called 'secret' show that you heard
    is gonna happen
2)  make a Top Ten list about why you're the biggest B&S fan
1)  announce to the world that you have 3 copies of Tigermilk and that
    you won't part with them for less than $300


.scott
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From alaning at xxx.fr  Wed Jul 15 20:22:54 1998
From: alaning at xxx.fr (Alan Holding)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:22:54 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Re:My Bloody Valentine/Guitar Solos
Message-ID: <013901bdb027$df0064c0$9a2f9ac3@alan>




>
>Ed Mason wrote:
>>> Also, on a B&S relational note, I have a friend who insists on the
>> similarity between 'Le Pastie..' and 'Strawberry Wine'...


i said that once here, but nobody seemed to care... it's especially in the
melody line of the first line of the verse...

nice to see that some one else is familiar with the feedback guitar solo on
Talk Talk's "after the flood" from the "laughing stock" album...great
record...

there were some great guitar solos on Felt's "me and a monkey on the moon"

does anybody here listen to Labradord? i do, a lot... but then again i do
listen to a lot of Andy Williams at the moment..."iiiiiits my haaaaaappy
heart you heaaaar"...

alan, in the Toulouse heat...


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From goodforyoo at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 20:38:17 1998
From: goodforyoo at xxx.com (milla-isobel gregor)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:38:17 PDT
Subject: No subject
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ok last message for a while, any New York picnickers mail me about next 
weekend (the 25th) if you want to do owt.
xx 
m-i
have a good summer

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From edkubisa at xxx.de  Wed Jul 15 20:41:38 1998
From: edkubisa at xxx.de (Edd)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:41:38 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Valentine's Day
Message-ID: <000f01bdb028$961b64c0$17108fc3@EdKubisa.cybernet-ag.de>


Well, seeing as there are a few MBV fans out there... you could do worse
than check out Medicine... they're from the US. - kind of the same thing as
MBV, but more pop and less soul......... 'The Buried Life' LP is worth a
listen!

Egg

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From conform at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 21:20:19 1998
From: conform at xxx.com (Seamus Campbell)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:20:19 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Major Crisis
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   i might be inclined to agree with you on this point, if not for the
fact that the album version of the track serves merely as a buildup or
prelude to the absolutely amazing heart-stopping rendition from the
radcliffe sessions.  
 
  seamus
  

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Adrian Evans [SMTP:aevans at xxx.uk]
> Sent:	Wednesday, July 15, 1998 4:26 PM
> To:	'Sinister'
> Subject:	Sinister: Major Crisis
> 
> >5. It storms in and kicks bugle ass after the gay boy foppery of
> >"Seeing Other People".
> 
> Oh no..oh no oh no no oh no non nein never....
> 
> This is without doubt the best track on the album and completely
> unfortunate that it is track two...as Gl**n H*d*le says, you don't
> want to peak too early....Seeing Other People is the premature
> ejaculation amongst all album tracks.
> 
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From rod at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 21:19:26 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:19:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Tep Ton + Teep Tray
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.00.9807152102210.681-100000@localhost.localdomain>


I know the format's getting stale, but I believe this one is worth doing:

TOP TEN COOLEST SOUNDING NAMES OF PEOPLE GRADUATING
FROM HERIOT-WATT UNIVERSITY YESTERDAY
----------------------------------------------------

10. Muhammad Amir Sharifuddin Bin Haji Ali
9.  Ioannis Konstantinos Papadopoulos
8.  Alexander Dickson Richardson Aitchison
7.  Tobias David Clarke Jones
6.  Goh Jwee Leng Wendeline
5.  Han Hui Hsien
4.  Ishmael Monkutlwatsi
3.  Tridjatmika Jitno Widodo
2.  Xenophon Marcus Wilberforce
1.  Gavin Greenshields Barbour Drain


With regards to tape-trees, I haven't seen anyone agree to co-ordinate
the start of it.  If people want, I'll take people's names and addresses
and try and get it started.  Someone say Yay or Nay.

Rod.

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From rod at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 20:59:21 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:59:21 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Top Tens
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On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Mark Casarotto wrote:

> 
> My Top top ten:
> 
> 1. Gaz Top

Funny you should say that.  Look who I got an e-mail from two days ago:


Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:50:59 EDT
From: GarethGTJ at xxx.com
To: rod at null.net
Subject: Gareth "Gaz Top" Jones

Hey Rod,
Thanks for the mention on your site.
If anyone would like to get hold of me, the best way is via my Web site:

http://members.aol.com/GarethGTJ/

Feel free to set up a link if you like.

Best Wishes
Gareth Jones




> If anyone in the world can say Ultrasound are worth looking at, then
> they're wrong. You know really sad, unstylish people who radiate
> grimness? That's Tiny. Not his weight (hardly something worth showing
> off either), but his foul face, and dreadful clothes. Eurgh.

Absolutely.  That cover story in NME a month back scared the hell out of
me.  I still liked that last single, though.

Rod.

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From TFertig3 at xxx.com  Wed Jul 15 23:46:35 1998
From: TFertig3 at xxx.com (TFertig3 at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:46:35 EDT
Subject: Sinister: No Slow
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Reid wrote:

I am one of those detractors.  I believe I gave it a two.  It's amazing
how such a great song can sound so bad.  Am I the only one who's
bothered by how off-key ALL THREE of them are?   The idea of doing is
slow is good, and I love the end bit (where no one's singing), but they
just didn't pull it off.  Maybe with a little more practice, it can live
up to it's potential.

YES!  I think I gave the slow version a 1.  It is quite mediocre, off key, and
I find myself getting a headache when I listen to it.  I think that song has
to naturally go fast.  Just as a side note as long as we're criticizing, I
don't much like "You Made Me Forget My Dreams." The only good part of that
song is the little reward at the end when it suddenly gets funky.  Any slow
songs on the new album?

Tami
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From mys_w at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 00:33:20 1998
From: mys_w at xxx.com (Melissa Wysocki)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:33:20 -0400
Subject: Sinister: List crushes - seeing other people (I wish)
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>>And onto Seeing Other People - I have yet to find anyone who agrees with
>>me, but I reckon that apart from the words, it's perhaps the weakest B&S
>>song by quite a long way.

beth's retort:
>I think you're on crack

you go, girl!
This is my first ever post to the list and I didn't want to jump in and
start fisticuffs by saying that whoever doesn't like "Seeing Other People"
obviously has no taste.  ;)

So I'll just say it and stand behind you for protection..

xoxo-melissa.



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From mick at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 00:18:42 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:18:42 -0400
Subject: Sinister: My Bloody Valentine et al
References: <E0ywSyd-0003gM-00@serv1.is2.u-net.net>
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James Errington wrote:
> Oh yes, this is my terrain now - Although I personally prefer 'Isn't Anything.' IMHO most 'shoegazing' stuff is watered down MBV. I also recommend Ride's 'Going Blank Again' and Chapterhouse's 'Whirlpool' for ethereal delights.

	I felt that I must offer up an opinion in dissidence to this, since it
strikes me as a bit insulting towards other shoegazing bands that I
happen to like a lot more than MBV. Personally I prefer MBV
pre-Creation, though I don't have enough money to buy any of the
recordings they made way-back-when, they pop up nicely on mixtapes in my
collection. Sunny Sundae Smile is perfection, that's all there is to it!
I can't belive anyone would leave it out of a MBV Top 5, but then it's
all a matter of preference. They really were more incredibly noisy
P!O!P! back than, rather than "shoegazers," but then the term hadn't
been invented at the time. I'd also like to mention that "Strawberry
Wine," and "Paint a Rainbow" are very wonderful. Not only that, but I
have to say that when I heard Isn't Anything for the first time I
couldn't believe my ears. Quite an abrupt change, I must say. It strikes
me as the cheesy wanky Aerosmith album of shoegazing, but like I said,
it's all opinion. I do agree that Loveless is quite good, but I don't
like it quite as much as a lot of people. 
	Other great bands considered shoegazers... Slowdive (firstly and
foremostly), the Secret Shine, early Pale Saints... 
 
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From monroej at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 04:35:11 1998
From: monroej at xxx.com (John F. Monroe)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:35:11 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Completely off the subject
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Someone with obvious good taste asks:

> I heard a rumour that The Fall will be touring the states this summer.
> Can anyone out there back this up?


I would say that is only a rumour, but the new lineup ( mark and three
ladies, perhaps in a robert palmer vein as someone suggested on a fall
list ) does play at London WC2 LA2 on August 12.

The bigger better rumour is the Inertia Tour, which features Buzzcocks, The
Fall, Pere Ubu and perhaps several more bands.

there is a website devoted to information on the US Inertia Tour, which i
can't seem to locate right now - i recall it was going on in October, but
none of it was really confirmed yet.





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From parachute at xxx.net  Thu Jul 16 03:07:11 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (brad)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:07:11 -0400
Subject: Sinister: top 10 things that rhyme with mick mcmick
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1. slick mcstick
2. dick mcpick	
3. flick mcbic
4. hick mcschick
5. tick mcsick
6. rick mcquick
7. lick mcwick
8. kick mcnick
9. picnic 
10. fred

-brad
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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 03:56:02 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:56:02 EDT
Subject: Sinister: shoegazing
Message-ID: <810a6256.35ad6bc3@aol.com>


this might sound utterly daft, but can someone please explain to me what
shoegazers are?  my music guide thingy lists, as Shoe Gazers:
blur
charlatans uk
happy mondays
inspiral carpets
my bloody valentine
portishead
stone roses
suede

i dont see that much of a connection...
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From bfundak at xxx.net  Thu Jul 16 04:30:53 1998
From: bfundak at xxx.net (Brandt S. Fundak)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:30:53 -0400
Subject: Sinister: shoegazing
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At 10:56 PM 7/15/98 EDT, BCapirigi at aol.com wrote:
>
>this might sound utterly daft, but can someone please explain to me what
>shoegazers are?  my music guide thingy lists, as Shoe Gazers:
>blur
>charlatans uk
>happy mondays
>inspiral carpets
>my bloody valentine
>portishead
>stone roses
>suede
>
>i dont see that much of a connection...

I believe the term came from the guitarists of these bands staring at their
shoes while playing.  

Brandt
"I heard that guy's ass has it's own congressman"

				Jimbo Jones
				from the Simpsons
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From mys_w at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 04:27:35 1998
From: mys_w at xxx.com (Melissa Wysocki)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:27:35 -0400
Subject: Sinister: shoegazing
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From: BCapirigi at xxx.com>

>this might sound utterly daft, but can someone please explain to me what
>shoegazers are?  my music guide thingy lists, as Shoe Gazers:
>blur

maybe you could categorize "Sing" as shoegazerish..

>charlatans uk
>happy mondays
>inspiral carpets

oh my...complete opposite of shoegazer in my book. baggy all the way!!

the most perfect example of the ultimate shoegazer band, IMHO, is Slowdive.
Some silly brit journalist did a live review of, I believe, Slowdive
(correct me if I'm wrong, anyone) and commented on how when they played they
were all constantly gazing at their shoes...so of course another one of
those ever-so-handy labels was born....

xoxo-melissa.




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From el0007 at xxx.edu  Thu Jul 16 06:43:17 1998
From: el0007 at xxx.edu (Erin Lewis)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:43:17 -0700
Subject: Sinister: last call for tape-tree recruits!
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From suzsch at xxx.net  Thu Jul 16 07:03:23 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:03:23 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Looper locations
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Anyone in Austin, TX having problems finding Looper singles:

Go to Sound Exchange on Guadalupe and 21st.  I was surprised to find it
there.


*****disclaimer*****
Sorry rest of the planet.  Although I am a nice person, I'm not going to
buy it for anyone and post it.  I've been posting demos and been busy with
other projects and really don't make it down to that store that much
because it's a pain in the ass to find a place to park and walk there. 
I'll give you the address or # of the store, but that's it.

I will give a review as soon as I buy a turntable!

s.s.
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From suzsch at xxx.net  Thu Jul 16 06:43:25 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:43:25 -0500
Subject: Sinister: O'er the land of the free and the home of Big Dave
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All the grousing about American music has really got me down a bit.  I do
it more than anyone, but I was sitting there one day and it hit me, and see
if you agree with me:

Canadians have worse music than we do!

Look at this list:

Bryan Adams
Alanis Morrissette
Celine Dion
Tom Cochran

Otherwise, a nation full of scmaltz.

It dawned on me as I was drving in my car the other day listening to the
radio, then I heard a song that sounded like a cheesey advertising jingle
for the lottery complete with studio sounding musicians going over and over
"If I had a million dollars I'd buy your love..."  It kept going on and on
until I figured out "Hey, wait!  This is an actual song!"

I cringed my way through the rest of it and later discovered it was the
Barenaked Ladies!  They're Canadian!

Nobody ever thinks of Canada when they talk about music, but I thought I
would share this important public service announcement.

p.s.  Arab Strap is not that great.  It's nothing but bass and an
occasional squealy noise.  damn.  I want my money back.


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From suzsch at xxx.net  Thu Jul 16 07:28:25 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:28:25 -0500
Subject: Sinister: top ten
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:32:09 -0400
> From: Shackie <HobieS at xxx.net>
> Subject: Re: Sinister: Tree top ten
> 
> Andrew O'Sullivan wrote:
> 
> > 1. Oak
> > 2. Elm
> > 3. Cherry
> > 4. Birch
> > 5. The Sinister Tape Tree
> > 6. Willow
> > 7. Fir
> > 8. Apple
> > 9. Pine
> > 10. Mulberry
> 
> wowa...
> SOMEONE's a bit bored...

Top 10 list of things for bored people to do:

1.  Sit and stare at a wall
2.  Write a 10 page thesis on the socio-political importance of word
processors for your own personal pleasure.
3.  Fidgit
4.  Clean your room
5.  Watch other people clean your room
6.  Practice the tambourine
7.  Trying to do a web search for Barry Manilow's email address
8.  Discuss the weather
9.  Listening to someone talk about the socio-political importance of
wordprocessors and nodding because you can't think of anything to day
dream.
10.  Air-switch for a low-powered tv station.


> 
> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:25:23 EDT
> From: BCapirigi at xxx.com
> Subject: Sinister: top 10 reasons why B&S should play Rhode Island
> 
> 10.  i'm not married
> 9.    when oasis played here someone flung a shoe at em
> 8.    if you dont i know a psychotic woman who will kill them (but only
cos i
> like em)
> 7.    we have the nations oldest 4th of july parade
> 6.    if they play here i will pee my pants with joy
> 5.    celine dion wouldnt be caught dead here
> 4.    jackie o and conan o'brien both used to spend their summers here
> 3.    i make arse-kickin' honeydew soup
> 2.    there is one club in all of providence...yeah!
> 1.    i forgot what tryptophan was


10 reasons B&S should come to Texas:

1.  If they come in the winter, they can wear shorts outside coz it's too
damned hot.
2.  They can see an actual Red Neck that wasn't bred in captivity
3.  If they stay out of East and West Texas, they won't have to see a red
neck.
4.  Morrissey wouldn't be caught dead here
5.  I'll open for them!  Me & my guitar. how about it?
6.  The Houston Black metal festival was cancelled and metal heads
everywhere are looking for a filler
7.  Austin is full of beer and a few bars nice enough to almost pass as a
pub.
8.  Being Glawegians, they will be shocked to see the sunlight.
9.  We don't have an underground subway that smells of urine.
10.  We're one of the few cities in the US that know who they are because
we're a bunch of pretentious "we don't listen to the mainstream" types.

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Wed Jul 15 22:21:44 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:21:44 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Peter Sellers Factor
Message-ID: <01bdb036$9180c5a0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


Ha ha! Keithy-Weithy got told off! But not much, and hell, with al the
love-making going on round here, who can blame them if someone loses their
sausage from time to time? I would like to reverse recommend a book: "Red
Dirt Marijuana" by Terry Southern. It's got some good bits all right, but on
the whole I'm a little disappointed.

The same goes for my latest musical purchase: "After the Fox" by Burt
Bacharach. It's got some good bits all right, in fact it hasn't got any bad
bits, but it's only 33 minutes long! What a bleedin' liberty!

Any numbers top ten must contain 147 and Double Top Tommy, as well as 78,
the correct length in minutes of a compact disc, preferably as part of a
double set that retails for the price of a single disc.

Paul, despite my best efforts to ruin it, I still like the list. And Duke,
your clever disguise didn't fool anyone. Incredible club indeed! As far as
I'm aware only two listees have actually been to the Living Room, and one of
them is busy drinking beer. Adrian, it's down to you to give us an
eyewitness report of the shady goings on in downtown Exeter's premier Sunday
nightspot. While you're at it, could you please include another casual
reference to "your Kate", as I've thought of a fantastic joke. Unfortunately
I didn't think of it until after I'd posted that rather half-hearted one the
other day. I promise you won't be disappointed, it really is hilariously
funny, but I need your help to make it look spontaneous, otherwise it won't
be quite as funny.

Right, thanks.

Peter

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From el0007 at xxx.edu  Thu Jul 16 07:42:55 1998
From: el0007 at xxx.edu (Erin Lewis)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:42:55 -0700
Subject: Sinister: shoegazing as such
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From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:32:49 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Plea For Sanity
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Katrina, you really should do that LP review, you know. How about a song per
day? Don't forget to refer to the rough versions as well. We all know you're
not really showing off your "big new dumper truck". No one would accuse a
banana shop employee of showing off if he/she suddenly started going on
about bananas. Anyone who doesn't want to read it can simply delete. I think
most of us would be genuinely interested in a bit of inside information.

Who is Gaz Top? Is he the Nobby the Sheep bloke? What is Charles in Charge?
Is  he that Chachi Loves Joanie bloke?

I think "that woman" adds an extra dimension to LLPJ, especially the part
about running miles in some boy's jumper. Which is one of my favourite bits.
It is like an expertly wielded scalpel to the bottom of my very soul.

Neil Young is Canadian, I like him. His songs are like expertly wielded
scalpels to the bottom of my very soul. Pre-Craetion MBV is okay if you like
what reviewers tend to call "indie introspection", they were loud and P!O!P!
but the songs weren't expertly wielded scalpels to the bottom of my very
soul. Shoegazing was a label attached to loads of bands who were a little
bit MBV, a little bit Cocteaus. Most of the band members were  supposedly
Jaspers AWOL from the Buckaroo den. Some other groups got bunged in with
them, the Boo Radleys being famously referred to as "shoegazing poo with
trumpets".

Adrian, what do you mean, CATCH THE PIGEON?

Peter

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From jon.g at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 08:47:33 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:47:33 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Seeing Other People & List Crushes
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I went to Glasgow from Saturday to Wednesday and since I've been away,
there's been loads of on-topic messages.  It's very strange.

Anyway, I like Seeing Other People.  So hands off.  I like the slow version
as well.  bethey prefers the sinister version.  So there.

And list crushes.  I'm not going to tell you who mine is, but I've just
realised that bethey, being so wee, will have to go for an older man!  This
amuses me no end, the only reason being I'm a bit warped.  Maybe.

Well, anyway - I can't stay chatting all day.

Oh, and get drafting your birthday messages for me.

bye
jon.g at btinternet.com - http://surf.to/jongandbethey
*****BIRTHDAY: 18th July - THIS SATURDAY!!!!**********

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From IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es  Thu Jul 16 08:48:41 1998
From: IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jose_Maria_Sag=FAillo_=28hijo=29?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:48:41 +0200
Subject: Sinister: sleep the clock around
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Good morning

I want to ask you something. would you please to write the lyrics of
"Sleep the clock around" for me? My ssesions tape have a poor quality
and it's hard to understand  all the words.

thanks in advance

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From John.Stuart at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 09:08:11 1998
From: John.Stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart/mail+schedule)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:08:11 -0700
Subject: Sinister: top tens
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	>I noticed a similarity between a B&S song and the Charles in Charge
theme
	>song, but the song was Stars of Track and Field. The part where he
sings
	>"You never know/because you never show it/you always get your way"
sounds
	>exactly like "Charles in Charge/ of our days/ and our nights". What
can I
	>say: great theme song, great album opener.

A band called Smudge did a cover of that Charles in Charge song.  Never
heard of the programme, but the theme's quite a nice piece of pop.  If your
interested the song's on Smudge's album Manalow.

J.
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From aevans at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 09:29:37 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:29:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Amber Cullet
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Nick wrote :

>Ah-ha - but you've fallen into my trap. I never said that gay boy
>foppery was a *bad* thing, did I?  That's just you and your rampant
>homophobic gloss.

Arsetitshitbuggerbollocks......take that back please....did I say gayboy foppery was a bad thing ? Not my thing admittedly but my reference was to the song and not my stance on anyones sexual persuasion and I guess now I've fallen into another trap of yours and you are just rubbing me up the wrong way and it's working....if you'll pardon the expression.

>Nick, who has not been called Nick Dastardly since primary school.

mmmmmm..says a lot about my mental age probably, but then I wouldn't be alone there.

Adrian.x.




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From keith at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 09:30:12 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:30:12 +0100
Subject: Sinister: shoegazing
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>>this might sound utterly daft, but can someone please explain to me what
>>shoegazers are?  my music guide thingy lists, as Shoe Gazers:
>>blur
>>charlatans uk
>>happy mondays
>>inspiral carpets
>>my bloody valentine
>>portishead
>>stone roses
>>suede


Dear dear, your book seems to claim shoegazers were pretty much every UK
band to appear between 1989 and 1993. OK, in November 1989, into the charts
with a smack a bang and a wallop went the Stone Roses, the Happy Mondays and
(just outside the charts with a plop) the Inspiral Carpets. This was the
first wave of Madchester (rave on) or as it was far later called variously
"Baggy" and "Indie Dance". It changed a lot of things in most of the people
I know's book and it was a great time for music - everyone was talking about
it at school the Monday after the Roses and the Mondays did She bangs the
drums and W.F.L on the chart show. A great P!O!P! moment. And likewise for
them both on Top of the P!O!P!S! For the next year and a half this got
steadily worse until everyone was right-royally sick to death of shit bands
claiming that there had always been a dance element to their music, so the
music press gallantly invented another scene, trying to keep up the momentum
(quite rightly in my opinion), however the bands weren't much cop, and it
didn't last too long, and that was shoegazing, influenced by mainly MBV and
the Cocteau Twins I suppose (Lush got produced by Robin Guthrie). Slowdive,
Ride, Moose, Revolver, Chapterhouse etc I suppose. This lasted for a bit and
then John Harris from the NME did a big article about Madchester one week
and very amusingly pointed out that we'd only realized that the party had
stopped when you saw the likes of the Frank and Walters on the cover. Suede
popped up about this time, and whilst nothing really new, were dead good and
pretty much existed in a world of their own. Verve appeared at the same
time, and whilst at first no-one could really decide whether they were
shoegazers or not, I suppose they're definitely not now. Verve were good
too - a lot of people will disagree with me on that one, but then, you have
to be the sort of person who likes Pink Floyd and early Simple minds albums
to like them. Christ only knows how they managed to get Portishead into the
list, as they were/are more what the press terms "Trip-Hop" which is as good
a term as any. Trip Hop has, as opposed to Shoegazing produced in my opinion
many memorable records, as a result all I've got shoegazing-wise is the
first slowdive LP, (bought for 99p), the first Chapterhouse one (borrowed
off a mate and never gave back), a couple of Lush singles, and most of the
Ride stuff. On the other hand I've bought almost everything Mo'Wax has
released (although this isn't entirely advisable - some of it's a load of
shit). Oh yeah, and Blur, well they've just jumped around from scene to
scene trying to make it look like they'd invented eveey one of them. I
remember clearly Damon Albarn trying to claim he had "Killed Baggy" - Doh!
You daft bastard, you've just been on top of the pops dresssed up as the
Stone Roses!

That's the way I saw it at the time anyway.

Cheers,
    Keith.

(what a BIG paragraph! W!O!W!)

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From edmund at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 09:50:57 1998
From: edmund at xxx.uk (Edmund Hornsby)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:50:57 +0100
Subject: Sinister: RE: Shoegazing..... (No B&S content)
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>this might sound utterly daft, but can someone please explain to me
what
>shoegazers are?  my music guide thingy lists, as Shoe Gazers:
>blur (indie pop, had one song that was bunched in for no reason, shes
so high)
>charlatans uk (never seen as shoegazers)
>happy mondays (baggy)
>inspiral carpets (baggy)
>my bloody valentine (shoegazers sort of, 'isn't anything' was the album
you had to sound like to be bunched in, but they grew out of it by
Loveless)
>portishead (far too late, trip hop anyway)
>stone roses (baggy)
>suede (indie pop and far too late)
>i dont see that much of a connection... 

Well, that's because, as was pointed out before, your books being lying
to you.
Shoegazing was a totally UK based scene which involved any band who
'stared at their shoes'.
The height of the scene was in about 1991, with the obvious point of
demise being Nirvana's 'Nevermind' and their headlining Reading in 1992.
On the main stage of Reading 1991, Chapterhouse had played directly
before Nirvana and had watched them afterward feeling, well shall I say
somewhat distraut.

The probable height for most of the bands was the first Slough festival
(this only ran for 2 years and the second one contained bands like
Senseless Things and Silverfish!)
The only band I associate with Shoegazing from your list is:
MBV, and they soon distanced themselves from that tag.
The bands I would think were best known for the period were Ride,
Chapterhouse, Moose, Lush, Revolver, Catherine Wheel (early).
There were less known ones: The Belltower (US), Blind Mr Jones, Drop
19's (US), That Uncertain Feeling.
And ones which were loosely associated: Telescopes, Adorable, Boo
Radleys.
Notice also how many of these bands were on Creation and Dedicated.
Some of the bands had good careers after but to my mind only Ride stuck
to a similar formula.

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From tourajsig2 at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 10:14:49 1998
From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:14:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Top 10 rumours concerning new B&S album
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1.  It's in mono.

2.  It's out a week earlier in Uzjbekistan, with artwork by Shiro
Ontake, as a double digipak featuring 'Tigermilk' re-worked by Alec
Empire and Johnny Mathis.

3.  An entire day's studio time was lost when a stray kitten wandered
into the vocal booth.

4.  Friction when the band vetoed Mick's 12-minute pan-sexual improv,
'Jazzoid Odyssey Thru Tha Eroticosmos'.  Sarah describes it as
'unnecessarily saucy'.

5. Chris and Isobel leave the studio one night both feeling that
'Seymour Stein' needs a little 'oomph', and determined to do something
about it.  They arrive separately the following morning, Isobel
arm-in-arm with Buju Banton, Chris with newest friend Shabba Ranks. 
Doh !  Hilarity ensues.

6.  Stuart M sulks for three days after Sarah's post-rock spinoff
project, Carl-Zeiss Jena, garner effusive column inches in the Falkirk
Gazette & Star.

7.  Stuart D hospitalized after Haliborange and Tizer binge.  

8.  They cover 'Pale Shelter' by Tears for Fears.

9.  Erm...

10.  *sigh*

Mike (need your barrel scraping ?  Give me a call...). 





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From aevans at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 11:02:43 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:02:43 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Lunch
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Apparently when asked "Tell us why there's no crisp like Walkers"  Mr C.F. Jessop from Sheffield replied "Because you always know the quality in the bag".

How I laughed when upon opening my bag of ready salted to find not crisps, but minature potato caricatures of Belle and Sebastian.


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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 11:02:26 1998
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:02:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: No subject
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Being new to the joys of Belle and Sebastian (I only have If You're Feeling 
Sinister) I was wondering if any of you kind souls could answer a few questions
for me, either on the mailing list or privately:

1) What LPs/Singles/EPs have B&S released and which ones are available and
where? (3 questions for the price of one)
2) What is all this tape tree malarkey about?

Thanks in advance for any help I may receive.

Seeing as the only contribution i've made to this list so far is inane
questions
I thought i'd write my first non-inquisitive thing and give you my top ten 
lyrisists of the modern age (in no particular order).

1) Neil Hannon of The Divine Comedy (anyone who writes a song about Mr Benn is
ok
in my books)
2) The fella out of B&S (showing my ignorance in not knowing his/their name,
sorry)
3) Ian Brown/John Squire (for the first Stone Roses album alone)
4) Tricky ("IF you believe or deceive then common sense says you shouldn't
receive"
as just one example of his genius)
5) Paul Heaton (Am I alone in thinking that The Housemartins are the most
under-
rated bands of the 80s)
6) Michael Stipe (Swan Swan Hummingbird?!?!?!?)
7) Gruff Rhys From Super Furry Animals (for his twisted references)
8) Beth Gibbons from Portishead (just because)
9) Kristen Hirsch ("This hairdo is truly evil", take a bow)
10) Blokes from Gomez (no reason, just my current favourites)

There you have it, and anyone who disagrees with me can...er, can,..well, they
can.

As for the list crushes, i've not been on long enough to develop one but its
only
a matter of time i expect.

Rich

"Move on, there's nothing to see here, move o...Oh my god, a plane crash. Look
everybody, there's wreckage and fire and everything"
- Police Chief Wiggum

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From email_andy_ at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 11:38:23 1998
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 03:38:23 -0700 (PDT)
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From HobieS at xxx.net  Thu Jul 16 05:06:37 1998
From: HobieS at xxx.net (Hobie Shackford)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:06:37 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Tep Ton + Teep Tray
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Rod Begbie wrote:

> I know the format's getting stale, but I believe this one is worth doing:
>
> TOP TEN COOLEST SOUNDING NAMES OF PEOPLE GRADUATING
> FROM HERIOT-WATT UNIVERSITY YESTERDAY
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> 9.  Ioannis Konstantinos Papadopoulos

believe it or not, this is one of the most popular names in greece...
tee hee

~darling
...who laughed laughed laughed at the list nonetheless...

ps: where exactly is that uni?


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From JohnJ at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 10:06:29 1998
From: JohnJ at xxx.com (John Johnston)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:06:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Now I'm no Canadian but...
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There is some fabulous Canadian music in this world. Hell there is
fabulous American music and I can't bear it when people write off a
country's music ability. It's stupid saying British music is ace (Chas n
Dave anyone?) and others isn't or American music sucks/rules. There's
just too much.

Sure it's easy to slag off Celine Dion and her compatriot cronies but
give the Great White North a break I say.(BTW - I'm not trying to "have
a go" at Suzanne S, I'm merely trying to engage in the full and frank
exchange of robust opinions that makes Sinister the place it is (indeed
I second her emotions concerning Arab Strap - can we have a list crush
please??)).

But I've always felt that if you have problems with the Barenaked Ladies
then you take life/music far too seriously. I've seen them live on a
number of occasions in Scotland and England and there gigs are so joyous
- such a celebration of being young and alive that they've really lifted
me. Sure they do "novelty" songs but they also do some really moving
"straight" songs as well. Part of their genius is the way they can
switch the mood of their gigs so brilliantly. And I've always thought
that never in a million years could a band like that come from the UK -
The Barenakeds don't have "attitude" or cynicism , they are so
unselfconscious -they go out there and have fun and rock one for the
kids; bands like them and others like Moxy Fruvous could only be
Canadian in my books.

The Smiths said burn down the disco coz the music "said nothing to me
about my life". I sometimes think "Thank God it doesn't! If every song I
heard said I was balding computer programmer who couldn't find a
girlfriend - my world would be a very miserable place indeed".

>Nobody ever thinks of Canada when they talk about music,
True enough, but when I think about Canada I often think about the music
(and double stuff Fudgee-os)

xx
JJ - not that JJ I'm another one

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Jul 16 12:51:45 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:51:45 +0200
Subject: Sinister: The Fox and the Boxer
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Dear Christopher Alexander Leonard,

I'm Lenny Waronker (gee! two Leonards, huh!?) of Dreamworks, the guys who
brought you "The Peacemaker", starring George Clooney and Nicole Kidman.
I've been lurking on the list for some time, mainly 'cos I heard that my
kids keep getting mentioned by some wierd guy called Trousers. Anyway, I'd
like to buy your idea for a million bucks and turn it into a terrific movie
with animated foxes and live action boxers, just like Mary Poppins! How
about it, Big Tackle?

Lenny W




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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 12:44:22 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 04:44:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Here's tricks
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Another thing to do if you are bored is to go to the current month's
Sinister archive:

http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/hypermail/current

and choose to view postings by author.  In particular, it is
interesting to see which people are egotistical enough to always start
their own thread, or at least their own subject line, and which are
reactive, collaborative sorts whose messages are always replies to
other people's posts.  For example, evil Mark Casaratto (of whom I am
now more terrified than ever) is a classic big show-off with not a
"Re:" to his name, whereas A.M "Horney" espadrille, despite posting
more mail than Readers Digest, is a model of reactive wet-blanketness.

I am a nicely balanced mix of the two.  I am best.

I should stress that this is only something worth doing if you are
very *very* bored.  But you probably guessed that already.

xxx Nick xxx

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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 13:05:19 1998
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:05:19 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Looper locations
Message-ID: <8f2f16a3.35adec80@aol.com>


If you can't find the Looper near you, Secret Sounds in CT has a enough -- you
can order them at shop at secretsounds.com  or you can mail the store at
secretlp at aol.com.
The store is trustworthy, honest, loyal, brave and true... they usually mail
things out the next day, packed really securely. They don't mess around saying
they have things they don't. 

just an f.y.i.

--michele
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From james at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 13:11:21 1998
From: james at xxx.com (James Errington)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:11:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Madder Rose & Emile Zola
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Mark Casarotto Wrote...
> 7. "sTop (the love you save)" - Madder Rose version
Mark! Well done! Anyone else love Madder Rose? I saw them last year, and 
they were... ...oooh, so good! (but my friends hated them) Does anyone know 
about their new / not very new anymore album? I cant find it anywhere.

But..... enough top 10s already! You don’t all want to end up like the 
characters in Nick Hornby's 'High Fidelity' do you?

Anyway, while I'm on the subject of fiction, I've just been reading 'His 
Masterpiece' by Emile Zola and I've found this paragraph whose relevance to 
the modern music press is uncanny:

	'No doubt, public stupidity is boundless, and I am quite willing that you 
should trade on it. Only I remember the first starts that we old fellows had. 
Dash it! We were not spoiled like that, I can tell you. We had ten years' 
labour and struggle before us ere we could impose on people a picture the size 
of your hand; whereas nowadays the first hobbledehoy who can stick a figure 
on it's legs makes all the trumpets of publicity blare. And what kind of 
publicity is it? A hullabaloo from one end of France to the other, sudden 
reputations that shoot up of a night, and burst upon one like thunderbolts, amid 
the gaping of the throng. And I say nothing of the works themselves, those 
works announced with salvoes of artillery, awaited amid a delirium of 
impatience, maddening Paris for a week, and then falling into everlasting 
oblivion!'

Doesn't that just say it! Zola comes very well recommended from me (unlike 
Nick Hornby, to be honest)


WeeJay - Manipulating you illicitly since 1979
james at twopounds.u-net.com
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From timminsc at xxx.ie  Thu Jul 16 13:17:05 1998
From: timminsc at xxx.ie (Claire Timmins)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:17:05 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tep Ton + Teep Tray
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 darling wrote..

>> 9.  Ioannis Konstantinos Papadopoulos
>
>believe it or not, this is one of the most popular names in greece...
>tee hee
 But why is it that when the greeks move over to Scotland (or maybe the
rest of the UK) they adopt 'common british' names like George. I knew three
george the greek's at Uni, and their Greeks names weren't similar. Any
Greek listees know why.

>
>~darling
>...who laughed laughed laughed at the list nonetheless...
>
>ps: where exactly is that uni?

 That Uni is approx. ten minutes from my family home, seven miles west of
Edinburgh. It has a rubbish Students Union, who give out free
beer-t-shirts, for a laugh. Ha ha.

 It's nice to see so much participation in the list these days after a
reasonbly long quiet spell. Anybody know if I can get V-Twin's single in
Ireland? One of the band lives in my friends old flat and he is lovely. (
sorry unnecessary 'well I know...' comment there, please excuse me).

 I also think that 'seeing other people' is great song. Not as good as 'The
stars of track and field' my recent fave.

 As far as list crushes go, I'm not telling anyone, cause you never know we
may meet up one day, somewhere unexpected and it would be shite if they
knew I fancied them cause I would get all embarrassed and not be able to
speak for hours. OK?

 Take care all. I hope you are having nice days all over the world. 

 love Claire.



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From alex at xxx.nl  Thu Jul 16 19:45:56 1998
From: alex at xxx.nl (Alex Tobin)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:45:56 -0400
Subject: Sinister: new contacts et al.
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'ello there.

yes, for everyone halfway in-the-know and halfway interested, i have
indeed made it over to rainy european shores (no texan heatwave pour
moi!).  now that i am living in holland (right near the german and
belgian borders), i am more than hopeful to make some new acquaintances
via this-here list.  so, if anyone lives within a spitting distance from
me, please drop me a line, as i'm always good for a lark or two.  oh,
and isabel from koeln, i've sent you a message or two...  are you still
around.  silly me lost your number again...  it's true.  so, please
please please someone give us a buzz, won't you.  hell, i'll even settle
for folks from blighty, as i make it over there from time to time.  p.s.
now a question that will cause me to lose some credibility and arouse
bewilderment, but does anyone besides me like van morrison?  just
listening to 'the philosopher's stone' and thought i'd pop that one in
there.

cheers!


@lex!


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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 13:53:32 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:53:32 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: nick dastoor is worse than d*vid b*ckham
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On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Nick Dastoor wrote:

> whereas A.M "Horney" espadrille, despite posting
> more mail than Readers Digest, is a model of reactive wet-blanketness.

mainly because it's just so much easier to press r for reply rather than
typing in the address, regardless of whether or not it's actually a reply
in terms of content.

but if it's upsetting you, sweetie...

espirations

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From aevans at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 14:01:33 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:01:33 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Flint Cullett
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PJMiller wrote :

>Adrian, what do you mean, CATCH THE PIGEON?

Oh god, it was merely one of my moments.  I had made previous references to Wacky Races in that message and wanted to end it  ...well obviously I wanted to end it "STOP THE PIGEON" but it kind of came out wrong, and I couldn't think of who to ask to "STOP THE PIGEON" so I thought...I know who's the daftest bugger on the list...
But don't worry about it now Peter, it was almost 24 hours ago (probably) and the pigeon will have long since flown to warmer climes...or died.

As for the Living Room, I haven't been in ages...don't know if the Dukes running it anymore.  I have no money I have no life I want no pity just your money.

In fact the last time i went was probably to see Jim "Lee Hurst" Shepherd with my Kate..........
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From Kayemess at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 14:11:00 1998
From: Kayemess at xxx.com (Kayemess at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:11:00 EDT
Subject: Sinister: top ten
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  Duh, Suzanne.  Morrissey has indeed played Texas.  And San Antonio, no less.
Twice.  Blecchhhh.
  But B&S should play Austin anyway.

 -Kristen 
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From rewb2 at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 14:38:51 1998
From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (rob b)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:38:51 +0100
Subject: Sinister: slow songs / shoegazing / lots of rubbish really
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dear all

sorry, this is quite long...

> Reid wrote:
> 
> I am one of those detractors.  I believe I gave it a two.  It's amazing
> how such a great song can sound so bad.  Am I the only one who's
> bothered by how off-key ALL THREE of them are?   The idea of doing is
> slow is good, and I love the end bit (where no one's singing), but they
> just didn't pull it off.  Maybe with a little more practice, it can live
> up to it's potential.
> 
> YES!  I think I gave the slow version a 1.  It is quite mediocre, off
key, and
> I find myself getting a headache when I listen to it.  I think that song
has
> to naturally go fast.  Just as a side note as long as we're criticizing,
I
> don't much like "You Made Me Forget My Dreams." The only good part of
that
> song is the little reward at the end when it suddenly gets funky

no no no no no no nooo...  the slow version is fantastic, sooo much better
than the original.  i gave that and 'you made me forget my dreams' 10
points a piece, or at least 9.  the 'iyfs' version of 'seeing other people'
is great, and although it didn't hit me as being wonderful at first listen
(unlike 'dylan...' 'fox in the snow' etc.)  i grew to love the bouncy
peanuts piano intro (which they nicked off Love, i'm sure..) and the
slightly naughty lyrics.   but then, when i got hold of the session
version,  my god, it was the most perfect piece of music ever!   it doesn't
matter that they aren't perfectly in tune - it's a live recording, you
can't expect perfection - plus, it adds character i think.  anyway, 'you
made me forget my dreams' is really lovely, particularly when the
tambouriney thing starts up towards the end of the song.  and i'm not
convinced by the little funky bit at the end - it makes me laugh though, so
it doesn't matter i suppose.

Melissa wrote  re: shoegazing:
> the most perfect example of the ultimate shoegazer band, IMHO, is
Slowdive.
> Some silly brit journalist did a live review of, I believe, Slowdive
> (correct me if I'm wrong, anyone) and commented on how when they played
they
> were all constantly gazing at their shoes...so of course another one of
> those ever-so-handy labels was born....

well, i was on the slowdive mailing list for a while, never bringing up the
courage to post anything, but one of the topics of discussion was indeed
the term 'shoegazing'.   apparently, they feel very hard done by, as it's
not their shoes that are so interesting, it's more the bizarre array of
weird and wonderful foot pedals that adorn the stage of every hard-core
shoegazing act, in order to create the strange whooshing noises that seem
to play such an important part of their music.  so you can't blame them for
looking earthwards i say.

Keith, in his encyclopaedic history of  British P!O!P!, wrote:
> Verve were good too - a lot of people will disagree with me on that one

i agree whole-heartedly.  'she's a superstar' is one of my favouritest
songs ever.  it's so so good.  and that blue album, can't remember what
it's name is, oh yes, 'a storm in heaven'.  that's great that is - a bit
strange in places, but it's got some fantastic bits on it.  'history' was a
great song too, and their new stuff's not bad, quite pleasant to listen to.
 i think i preferred them sans 'the' though.

someone mentioned the telescopes.  'you set my soul' is a truly gorgeous
song by them, and will be on my tape tree tape without a doubt (unless of
course i get death threats via e-mail from other members of the tree).  i
only have one of their albums, and am not sure how many they did, but they
are definitely worth checking out.

and the boo radleys too, they're great.  i've seen them live about four
times - i didn't think much of 'wake up boo', a bit TOO P!O!P if you see
what i mean, but 'giant steps' is out of this world, as is much of
'everything's alright forever'.

James Errington wrote:
> Mark! Well done! Anyone else love Madder Rose? I saw them last year, and
> they were... ...oooh, so good! (but my friends hated them) Does anyone
know
> about their new / not very new anymore album? I cant find it anywhere.

i love madder rose, at least their early stuff.  'swim' is divine, as is
most of that 'bring it down' album - i'm not sure how many albums they've
had since - i only have one other album of theirs, and i can't remember its
name.  so i'm not much use really, am i?

anyway, this has turned out much longer than i was expecting, so i'll be
gone now, and stop boring you all.

bye bye

rob
xx
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From seilsd at xxx.net  Thu Jul 16 14:43:29 1998
From: seilsd at xxx.net (Damon Seils)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:43:29 -0400
Subject: Sinister: top ten
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yes san antonio

and morrissey played
DALLAS
about ten years ago

i don't think he's played
AUSTIN
though
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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 14:52:43 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:52:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Mi-iss -  they're fighting
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Enough of this listee-baiting nonsense (from me I mean).

Does anyone know a nicer word to use than listee?  Not Sinisterine. 
Maybe Honeydrone.

I just don't understand anyone anymore.  Again the fearful
i-don't-much-like-that-electronic-renaissance view has reared its
head.  This is ever so upsetting as I love it to bits, especially the
lines about working and dancing.  I recall someone once saying that
Stuart Murdoch wrote it to win some argument about how easy it was to
write a dance track.  I'm not sure whether I want this to be true or
not.

And then someone suggested that SM must have been drunk when he wrote
"Hurley's Having Dreams" The cheek!  No doubt he would class it as
emabarrassing juvenilia now, but I think I like it best of all the
Stow demos.  Oh dear, it looks like I'm trying to score points on
Peter Miller's B&S-snob-o-meter.

Now she's eight months pregnant/In her dress she's so elegant
Does a handstand maybe/No, it's not good for the baby......
Clip-clop clip-clop
Hisssssss........

nick xx
_____________________________________

Deep thought of the day:

If aliens from outer space ever come and we show them our civilization
and they make fun of it, we should say we were just kidding, that this
isn't really our civilization, but a gag we hoped they would like.
Then we tell them to come back in twenty years to see our real
civilization. After that, we start a crash program of coming up with
an impressive new civilization. Either that, or just shoot down the
aliens as they're waving goodbye. 
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
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From shop at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 13:47:21 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:47:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: 
References: <6426021116071998/A19883/ADVAX1/11C782C21900*@MHS>
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Richard Connell wrote:
> 
> Being new to the joys of Belle and Sebastian (I only have If You're Feeling
> Sinister) I was wondering if any of you kind souls could answer a few questions
> for me, either on the mailing list or privately:
> 
> 1) What LPs/Singles/EPs have B&S released and which ones are available and
> where? (3 questions for the price of one)

you could always take a look at the belle and sebastian site at 
http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/ 
there you can find details of teh back catalogue, sound samples, lyrics,
sleeve notes and a shop where you can buy them all (except tigermilk).

david kitchen

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From ip211579 at xxx.pt  Thu Jul 16 14:55:40 1998
From: ip211579 at xxx.pt (ANTONIO ZUQUETE)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:55:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: shoegazing talk
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Hello everyone,
Regarding the shoegazing subject ... I think that the M.B.V ep´s are much
better than both albums. I have the same opinion about moose. Brilliant
ep´s ( i won´t forget songs like "last night i fell again" or "jack"),
crappy albums (ans not shoegazing at all, i must say).
 I like Chapterhouse though. Oh yes! In my humble opinion "pearl" is one of
the most amazing songs of this decade.
Slowdive are very nice also. Perfect to hear with your headphones on. Songs
like "celia´s dream" and "waves" put you in a very delicate mood.
By the way, do you think that Drop Nineteens are a shoegazing band? What a
great album "delaware" is ! 
Currently in the "shoegazing field" my favourite bands are Rocketship ("a
certain smile, a certain sadness" is a must), Lenola, Toulouse and
Starflyer 59.

			Noise can be beautiful,
						Pedro Z
 
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From: ip211579 at xxx.pt (ANTONIO ZUQUETE)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:55:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: shoegazing talk
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Hello everyone,
Regarding the shoegazing subject ... I think that the M.B.V ep´s are much
better than both albums. I have the same opinion about moose. Brilliant
ep´s ( i won´t forget songs like "last night i fell again" or "jack"),
crappy albums (ans not shoegazing at all, i must say).
 I like Chapterhouse though. Oh yes! In my humble opinion "pearl" is one of
the most amazing songs of this decade.
Slowdive are very nice also. Perfect to hear with your headphones on. Songs
like "celia´s dream" and "waves" put you in a very delicate mood.
By the way, do you think that Drop Nineteens are a shoegazing band? What a
great album "delaware" is ! 
Currently in the "shoegazing field" my favourite bands are Rocketship ("a
certain smile, a certain sadness" is a must), Lenola, Toulouse and
Starflyer 59.

			Noise can be beautiful,
						Pedro Z
 
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From Scott_Turner at xxx.COM  Thu Jul 16 15:13:44 1998
From: Scott_Turner at xxx.COM (Scott Turner)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:13:44 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Pernice Brothers
Message-ID: <85256643.004D4FFF.00@JHMAIL.JH.COM>


Pernice Brothers: Overcome by Happiness

-between B&S and tindersticks???
well, kinda, sortof, not really.

I would have to say its more like a good mix of Gerald Collier and Elliot
Smith, lots of minor chords and overtwanged fender telecasters, throw in
some piano and rather weak, yet pretty vocals. The orchestration they use
never really integrates into the songs essentially like say in the
Tindersticks, but instead kind of fills space in the background. I mean I
kind of dig it- and I have that type of stuff (Collier, Elliot Smith, etc.)
in my cd player alot- its just i find myself never really getting hooked by
it.

just a humble opinion.

.scott


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From rewb2 at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 15:25:30 1998
From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (rob b)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:25:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Yamaha PSS-270
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Dastardly wrote:

> And then someone suggested that SM must have been drunk when he wrote
> "Hurley's Having Dreams" The cheek!  No doubt he would class it as
> emabarrassing juvenilia now, but I think I like it best of all the
> Stow demos.  Oh dear, it looks like I'm trying to score points on
> Peter Miller's B&S-snob-o-meter.
> 
> Now she's eight months pregnant/In her dress she's so elegant
> Does a handstand maybe/No, it's not good for the baby......
> Clip-clop clip-clop
> Hisssssss........

'Does a handstand maybe'!  God, i've been trying to figure that line out
for ages!  Thank-you, my good man, for that.  Any chance of a complete
lyric for that song, as it's quite tricky to make it out (well it is on my
copy, anyway).  And yes, i agree with you, it is a fabulous song, right
from it's beatles-esque beginning through the wonderful slightly off beat
tambourine playing, with that fantastically cheap sounding toys r us organ
playing towards the end.  sheer genius i say.  it makes me think of
campfires for some reason - i can picture them sitting around playing a
cheap guitar and tambourine, singing along as night sets in, just before an
impromptu rendition of 'he's got the whole world in his hands' or
something...  or maybe i'm only dreaming.

actually, i'm rather partial to 'london has let me down' despite the fact
that it sounds alarmingly like 'jingle bells' played on a crap £29.99
yamaha keyboard, with a choice of 49 exciting instruments (including wave,
machine gun, telephone, you know the sort)

i reckon they used the same keyboard for the drum machine in 'electronic
renaissance'.

just my tuppence worth...

rob
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From ddeldebb at xxx.edu  Thu Jul 16 15:26:59 1998
From: ddeldebb at xxx.edu (David C. DelDebbio)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:26:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: re:imp. public announcements
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980716100732.31168A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>


Rolling on the floor with laughter, I wholeheartly agree but you can't
forget SLOAN'S one chord to another" and "navy blues." Their record label
also put out Richard Davies' last couple of albums...

In addition to this tape tree, how would sinisterines feel about making
B+S T-Shirts for trade? It could work the same way as the tape trade idea.

:)dave:)

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From t.hopkins at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 15:32:26 1998
From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins, Tim)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:32:26 +0100
Subject: Sinister: top ten belgian beers (not really)
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Well, I go away for five days, and what happens....

First of all may I extend the warmest of welcomes to the list to Mr Edward 'Placepot' Mason,
king of the world and master of all he surveys? Now that he has joined me in these green
pastures, all we are doing is waiting for Graham, I think.


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From rewb2 at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 15:33:35 1998
From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (rob b)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:33:35 +0100
Subject: Sinister: b&s in europe
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Any ideas about where B&S might be playing in North Europe?  (Katrina??)
When will we know for sure, as i need to plan an inter-rail trip, and it
could just be that they're playing somewhere we're planning to go?

aloha

rob
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From Kayemess at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 15:45:50 1998
From: Kayemess at xxx.com (Kayemess at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:45:50 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Texas never whispers
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  Despite Morrissey's presence in our state, Texas is a perfect locale for
B&S.  Nowhere else will you find so many indier than thou kids who look
exactly the same (dark plastic glasses, girls with short hair and/or short
bangs, overpriced thrift clothing from Urban Outfitters, etc. etc.)  In any
case, Austin is home to many excellent vegetarian restaurants, good beer, and
the world's best record store, 33 Degrees.  Even Brad can attest to this.  

  Someone should make a top ten worst cartoons list that includes Kissyfur,
this really bad bear cub with a big nose.  He has been haunting me lately.

  I have just prepared an elaborate breakfast for myself, as my family is out
of town.  We should have a big parents-out-of-town party at my house.
Everyone can flirt and dance with their list crushes, and somebody can get in
a fight and break a vase or something.  Yeah.

  OK, so I'm meeting my REAL list crush, my main squeeze, the one I actually
communicate with on a daily basis, but I have two other crushes!!  Is this
acceptable, or am I becoming a Sinister slut?  Should I write to Seventeen
magazine for advice?  Should I announce my slew of crushes to the list?  What
to do?  Shall I ask all of my list crushes to be my date at my party, then
spend the evening trying to speak to all of them without giving away the fact
that I have three dates?  

  XOXO,
  Kristen  

  
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From Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 11:02:29 1998
From: Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk (Sarah Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:02:29 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Surprise Surprise
Message-ID: <199807161002.LAA28122@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk>


Sorry, this has little to do with Belle and Sebastian..........I read on the
Tape Tree List that Gary Pollock was getting involved.  This is a long shot,
but I went to (Graeme High) school with a Gary Pollock, and wondered if it
was the very same?????

If it is you, then I haven't forgiven you for making me correctly name the
members of Matt Bianco before giving me a tape of some of their stuff (prior
to me buying the records, of course!)

Sorry to everyone else.........

Byeee
Sarah x

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From shop at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 16:27:33 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:27:33 +0100
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: belle and sebastian album title confirmed
Message-ID: <35AE1BE5.4EBA5870@jeepster.co.uk>


just a quick message to help cheer your day and to edge the reality of
the belle and sebastian album just a little bit closer.

the album is set for world-wide release on the 7th September (except US
where it is released on the 8th September).

the title of the album is "The Boy With The Arab Strap"

and just in case you missed it first time round, the track-listing is as
follows;

	  1/  It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career
	  2/  Sleep The Clock Around
	  3/  Is It Wicked Not To Care
	  4/  Ease Your Feet Into The Sea
	  5/  A Summer Wasting
	  6/  Seymour Stein
	  7/  Spaceboy Dream
	  8/  Dirty Dream #2
	  9/  The Boy With The Arab Strap
	  10/ Chick Factor
	  11/ Simple Things
	  12/ The Rollercoaster Ride 

for advance reference here, again, are all the cat numbers in case you
need them:

UK & Eire
	Jeepster
		cd(jprcd003)
		mc(jprmc003)
		lp(jprlp003)

North America
	Matador
		cd(7 44861 03112 3)
		lp(ole-311-1)

France & Europe
	Delabel/Virgin France
		cd(07243 846429 2 1)
		mc(07243 846429 4 5)
		lp (07243 846429 1 4)

Japan & Australia cat numbers are still unknown.

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also a quick reminder that the new belle and sebastian site is now open
at the jeepster domain, http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/

cheers

david kitchen

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From janine at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 18:09:59 1998
From: janine at xxx.com (Janine Papp)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:09:59 -0500
Subject: Sinister: list crush (again)
Message-ID: <v03110702b1d3e3e0790b@[192.168.9.14]>


OK, someone should volunteer to gather a list of list crushes.  Everyone
e-mail their list crush(es) to one person, who will swear not to tell, then
compile a top ten list of sinister crushees and post it.  Volunteers,
anyone?

by the way, digest sinisterees don't usually reply to a subject cause then
you'd have a reallllllly long part at the end.

Janine-bee


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From John.Stuart at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 17:06:18 1998
From: John.Stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart/mail+schedule)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:06:18 -0700
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: belle and sebastian album title conf
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>the title of the album is "The Boy With The Arab Strap"

Not the best name for the album is it? Isn't it just going to make people
associate B&S with Arab Strap more?  If they wanted to name it after a track
title, "It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career" or "Simple Things" would have
been a more fitting title.  But what do I know?

Are us compulsive fans going to get a sneak peek at the album cover?
Katrina? David?
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From pookie59 at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 17:13:37 1998
From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:13:37 PDT
Subject: Sinister: last time i didn't get this far..
Message-ID: <19980716161337.19428.qmail@hotmail.com>


i got to be quik or else they beat me here..
umm i tink i saw Honey Paul..driving big red monster truck had DIRTY 
PAULY written on it.

shop at jeepster! please wait till i come back to send t-shirt?? because 
maybe you get new ones in,yes?  ok just wait a little bit and then i 
write you proper

love n stuff
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From Kayemess at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 17:13:27 1998
From: Kayemess at xxx.com (Kayemess at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:13:27 EDT
Subject: Sinister: list crush (again)
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  I volunteer to make the list crush list.  If you would like to participate,
please send me the name of your list crush, and I will compile them into a top
ten list.  You can have as many list crushes as you like, but you cannot have
a crush on yourself.  Why not?  Because I like rules, that's why.

  -Kristen 
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From aeos at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 14:47:15 1998
From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:47:15 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tep Ton + Teep Tray
Message-ID: <000201bdb0d5$5366a380$d46545c2@default>


> As far as list crushes go, I'm not telling anyone, cause you never know we
>may meet up one day, somewhere unexpected and it would be shite if they
>knew I fancied them cause I would get all embarrassed and not be able to
>speak for hours. OK?

Oh! I didn't realise that you could have list crushes *before* you've met
someone. I thought it was like people you meet at picnics and stuff. Oh,
that's alright then - I've got some serious fancying to start.....

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From honey at xxx.net  Thu Jul 16 17:18:33 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:18:33 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: list crush (again)
In-Reply-To: <v03110702b1d3e3e0790b@[192.168.9.14]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980716170543.26598X-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


Cheres Honeydrones,

The third Isobel song is up for grabs on www.treehouse.clara.net if
anyone doesn't know and wanted to.

On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Janine Papp wrote:

> OK, someone should volunteer to gather a list of list crushes.  Everyone
> e-mail their list crush(es) to one person, who will swear not to tell, then
> compile a top ten list of sinister crushees and post it.  Volunteers,
> anyone?

I'm not volunteering because in spite of what Mark said I want to be
a list orange cutiepie crush.  Come on boys and girls you know I've
got nice knees.  Send your list crushes to Peter Miller
(pjmiller at arrakis.es) I reckon - he's doing nothing but frightening
devout catholics and helping girl guides with their tent pegs all day
anyway.  Oh and send some rude dreams about your favourite crush
too!  That'll steam up his spectacles.

My list crush may or may not be Lenny Waronker.

Honey your ideal dish/doll xxx


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From t.hopkins at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 17:22:00 1998
From: t.hopkins at xxx.uk (Hopkins, Tim)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:22:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: A Heartbeat Throb With Spy (anag)
Message-ID: <52963F9F681AD21196A60020480839BE2B353E@exchange1.lancs.ac.uk>


Apologies one and all for that previous fragment of a message, which was, as they say, a work in
progress, and will only be of interest to historians of my oeuvre, who will find it an
invaluable resource, by way of contrast to my usual polished postings. 

I meant what I said about Edward though. 

Anyroadup, on to more irrelevances. I have become most disturbed with the volumen of on-topic
posts. People will be unsubscribing in their droves. So what follows is my attempt to redress
the balance. 

As a result of my Duvel-drenched absence, I have some points to raise with you all. Please
delete this message now if you do not wish to read irrelevant drivel.

Carrick wrote...

	>And I wouldn't have bought you a pint of cider, seeing that most Americans in 1984 had
no clue >that you could buy alcoholic cider at a bar. Still don't.

No no, we'd have bought you one. Which might have given us more reason to laugh at you. Or not,
depending on how good you are at stomaching liquid which tastes like rancid, thickened vinegar
and looks like stomach pumpings. I, as it turns out, am actually rather good at it, and it has
become something of a hobby of mine.

Miller Lite, in his turn, said...

	>we went to Newton St Cyres. We might have seen a couple of cows and sheep and stuff and
had >a pint of cyder.

And those people you saw sniggering and pointing at you rudely were the locals, laughing at
grockels trying to drink zzzyderrrr. Perhaps it was me? Although I only went to Newton St Cyres
once, and that involved an ill-fated encounter with a pub called The Beer Engine. Least said
soonest mended about that I think, although you should know that the evening involved a great
deal of beer, 'Safety Net' by the Shop Assistants and 'Sad Kaleidoscope' by The Razorcuts. 

May I take this opportunity to say that I think that shoegazing is vile in all its forms, and
that it is the antithesis of all that is P!O!P! Dull and studious music made by Serious Young
Men is not for me, thank you very much.

I hate shoegazing almost as much as I hate guitar solos. I'd rather listen to a set of bagpipes
being inserted into a camel. Or a camel light. Nevertheless, I am not one to ignore a challenge.
So, here are the four guitar solos which Keithyboy missed off his list:

7) 'Babysitters' by the Stupid Babies. Fast Records Scotland, 1980(?). Early Adamski.

8) Soundtrack to 'Hurlements En Faveur De Sade', film by Guy Debord, 1968 (?). As featured on
'Lipstick Traces' comppilation LP, Rough Trade, 1990 (?)

9) 'Fish From Tahiti' by Danny and The Dressmakers, Fck Off Records, 1981 (?). On the 'Weird
Noise EP', which also involved former members of ATV and future members of World Domination
Enterprises.

10)  'I Visualise' by Headtime (Cherry Red Records, 1991).

This service has been provided to you by 'cool/obscure tunes which are probably not much cop
anyway' incorporated. If you see these records in any shop, at any price, run away as quickly as
you can. Apart from the Headtime one, of course. Now who wants to join a tape tree with me?

There was loads of other stuff, but I've forgotten what it was. Be kind to the newts, Linda...it
was probably a cry for help in my opinion... have they been watching too many of the Ingmar
Bergman films which run for 24 hours a day round your house? Or what? You should perhaps re-name
them 'Norman' and 'Hunter'.

Bye bye

Tim


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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 17:16:13 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: belle and sebastian album title confirmed
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>the title of the album is "The Boy With The Arab Strap"

I love it.  Stuart gets his dirty album title fetish out his system at
last.

Can we expect the next Arab Strap album to be called "The Boy with the
Bell-End Sebastian"?  No, I don't suppose we can.

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From JohnJ at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 17:25:54 1998
From: JohnJ at xxx.com (John Johnston)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:25:54 +0100
Subject: Sinister: list crush (again)
Message-ID: <B187481CB498D111BDF200C0F017CB920DCF8C@EXCHANGE>


Kristen - your going to need to be of the most incorruptible virtue to
manage the list crush list. That's just the sort of top-secret computer
file that could prove costly if it fell into the wrong hands....Bon
Chance!

As to the Album title - well it's all right. I can see that it will
cause confusion with Arab Strap but then I think that in this focus
group, niche marketed and segmented age a little confusion is probably a
Good Thing. But I was reminded yesterday of some other listee's
suggestion for the new album title - ages ago he/she suggested "Man
About the House" which I thought was brilliant, though those of you not
familiar with the TV show of the same name may wonder why.


My list crush is with the list. It's like some giant compound eye of
loveliness with all you people in it. When I was unsubscribed between
jobs I missed the list as a whole not any person in particular. 

xx
John
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> please send me the name of your list crush, and I will compile them
> into a top
> ten list.  You can have as many list crushes as you like, but you
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From chigger88 at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 17:47:19 1998
From: chigger88 at xxx.com (Burt Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:47:19 PDT
Subject: Sinister: O'er the land of the free and the home of Big 
    Dave
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Are you forgetting the one Canadian that actually cancels out all the 
other crap Canadians?  Leonard Cohen.  He is a top ten list unto 
himself.


Rachael

>
>
>All the grousing about American music has really got me down a bit.  I 
do
>it more than anyone, but I was sitting there one day and it hit me, and 
see
>if you agree with me:
>
>Canadians have worse music than we do!
>
>Look at this list:
>
>Bryan Adams
>Alanis Morrissette
>Celine Dion
>Tom Cochran
>
>Otherwise, a nation full of scmaltz.
>
>It dawned on me as I was drving in my car the other day listening to 
the
>radio, then I heard a song that sounded like a cheesey advertising 
jingle
>for the lottery complete with studio sounding musicians going over and 
over
>"If I had a million dollars I'd buy your love..."  It kept going on and 
on
>until I figured out "Hey, wait!  This is an actual song!"
>
>I cringed my way through the rest of it and later discovered it was the
>Barenaked Ladies!  They're Canadian!
>
>Nobody ever thinks of Canada when they talk about music, but I thought 
I
>would share this important public service announcement.
>
>p.s.  Arab Strap is not that great.  It's nothing but bass and an
>occasional squealy noise.  damn.  I want my money back.
>
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From jon.g at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 17:51:18 1998
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:51:18 +0100
Subject: Sinister: the boy with the 'arab strap' and Sleep The Clock Around
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From: Nick Dastoor <nickdastoor at xxx.com>
To: sinister at majordomo.net <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 16 July 1998 17:25
Subject: Re: Sinister: jeepster-news: belle and sebastian album title
confirmed


>
>>the title of the album is "The Boy With The Arab Strap"
>
>I love it.  Stuart gets his dirty album title fetish out his system at
>last.


Naive, sweet little jon doesn't know what an Arab Strap is (although he does
know the band).  Can anyone inform him without being too crude?

Mr. Jose Maria Saq�illo wrote:
>I want to ask you something. would you please to write the lyrics of
>"Sleep the clock around" for me? My ssesions tape have a poor quality
>and it's hard to understand  all the words.

Well, a search in the archives ages ago found this:

>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Subject: Sinister: 'Sleep The Clock Around' lyrics
>From: Soozy (soozy at xxx.uk)
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:22:09 +0100
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Here you go... copied word for word from the back of a setlist (I knew
>there was a reason I nicked that!)
>----------------------
>Sleep the Clock Around
>And the moment will come when composure returns
>Put a face on the world, turn your back to the wall
>And you walk twenty yards with your head in the air
>Down the Liberty Hill, where the fashion brigade
>Look with curious eyes on your raggedy way
>And for once in your life you have nothing to say
>And could this be the time when somebody will come
>To say "Look at yourself, you're not much use to anyone"
>
>Take a walk in the park, take a valium pill
>Read the letter you got from the memory girl
>But it takes more than this to make sense of the day
>Yeah it takes more than milk to get rid of the taste
>And you trusted to this, and you trusted to that
>And when you saw it all come, it was waving the flag
>Of the United States of Calamity, hey!
>After all that you've done, I am sure you're going to pay
>
>In the morning you come to the ladies salon
>To get all fitted out for the Paperback Throne
>But the people are living far away from the place
>Where you wanted to help, its a bit of a waste
>And the puzzle will last till somebody will say
>"There's a lot to be done while your head is still young"
>If you put down your pen leave the trouble behind
>Then the moment will come, and the memory wil shine
>
>Now the trouble is over, everybody got paid
>Everybody is happy, they are glad that they came
>Then you go to the place where you've finally found
>You can look at yourself, sleep the clock around
>
>--
>Soozy
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So there you go.  Don't you just love these lyrics?  I do.

Hope this helps,

jon g.
jon.g at btinternet.com - http://surf.to/jongandbethey

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From tonyk at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 18:01:56 1998
From: tonyk at xxx.com (Kiewel, Tony)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:01:56 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Canadians are all right
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> >All the grousing about American music has really got me down a bit.
> I 
> do
> >it more than anyone, but I was sitting there one day and it hit me,
> and 
> see
> >if you agree with me:
> >
> >Canadians have worse music than we do!
> >
> >Look at this list:
> >
> >Bryan Adams
> >Alanis Morrissette
> >Celine Dion
> >Tom Cochran
> 
But there are some absolutely brilliant Canadian artists too! Might I
reccomend: Eric's Trip, Elevator to Hell, Rufus Wainwright, Zumpano (I'm
pretty sure they're Canadian), Hayden. Any others anybody can think of?

-tonyk
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 16:45:02 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:45:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Mind games and Obsessions
Message-ID: <8jhjUCA+$hr1EwAX@elsato97.demon.co.uk>


Hello you gorgeous people!

List crushes? I fancy Tim H!O!P!K!I!N!S! and of course, Mr Wirral 1998 -
Gary... (he'd better still be on the list to read this you know...)

Michele wrote.. (er if there is a big line above this when you read it I
don't know why..)

That's also the one where someone yells, "Judas" at him for going electric and
he says, "I don't believe you... you're a liar, a fucking liar." 

Hehe! You have just reminded me of Great Pop Things where they actually
tell us the TRUTH about that. He wasn't shouting BOO! JUDAS! He was
actually shouting : "Boo! Do you know any Judas Priest?"...

Ok, well I laughed at it...

Look kids! Northy wrote this....

<<I agree, Feeder are shite but not so sure about the Manics.>>

OK, you completely misread me, NORTHY! How oculd you even inply that I
would think the Manics are Shite? Words fail me. And Feeder aren't that
bad - out of all the wank my friends like Feeder are the best. And at
least they are't being pretentious unlike them Smashed Pumpkins.

<<What do Welsh bands have about selling out though?>>

You'll know all about that, being a Catatonia fan.... :)

And don't try to tell the Manics have sold out, this is the wrong place
to argue...

Looky here - good Welsh band still on Ankst i think : MELYS!!!
I absolutely adore them. But for Acid Queen, make sure you have someone
to hold your hand while you listen to it, as it is absolutely scary! For
singles, buy Lemming - they had it in Preston HMV so going by the law of
"If even shit Preston has it then everywhere will" - you will be able to
find it.

<<Anyone here like Frente?>>

I heard one of their songs on late night Mark Radclife, *sighs* It brins
back so much nostalgia. N.Z band aren't they? Not on Flying Nun...can't
even remember the name of the song I like....but it was played after
something else I wanted to tape....HORRIBLE! Thats what it's called,
Horrible, I quite like that. 
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From tiago-a-figueiredo at xxx.pt  Thu Jul 16 19:01:26 1998
From: tiago-a-figueiredo at xxx.pt (Tiago A Figueiredo)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:01:26 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Canadians are all right -Reply
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From shop at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 18:35:31 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:35:31 +0100
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: belle and sebastian album title conf
		irmed
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John Stuart/mail+schedule wrote:
> 
> >the title of the album is "The Boy With The Arab Strap"
> 
> Not the best name for the album is it? Isn't it just going to make people
> associate B&S with Arab Strap more?  If they wanted to name it after a track
> title, "It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career" or "Simple Things" would have
> been a more fitting title.  But what do I know?
> 
> Are us compulsive fans going to get a sneak peek at the album cover?
> Katrina? David?

not bloody likely!

we're not getting it until next week, and even then we won't be
releasing this until as late as possible i think.

otherwise, where would the excitement be?



david kitchen

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From tonyk at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 19:01:22 1998
From: tonyk at xxx.com (Kiewel, Tony)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:01:22 -0700
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: belle and sebastian album title conf
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> > Are us compulsive fans going to get a sneak peek at the album cover?
> > Katrina? David?
> 
> not bloody likely!
> 
> we're not getting it until next week, and even then we won't be
> releasing this until as late as possible i think.
> 
> otherwise, where would the excitement be?
> 
I don't think you need to worry about our excitement waning!

-tonyk

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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 18:22:40 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:22:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: b&s in europe
References: <E0ywp6a-0003Qp-00@sand2.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <35AE36E0.5CBC91DC@jeepster.co.uk>


me again,

rob b wrote:
 
> Any ideas about where B&S might be playing in North Europe?  (Katrina??)
> When will we know for sure, as i need to plan an inter-rail trip, and it
> could just be that they're playing somewhere we're planning to go?

ummm, hmmm, well, whaddya know ... we still don't have any tour dates
confirmed ... sorry :(

i know you all think i'm telling lies, but honestly .. it's the truth!

bye bye,
Katrina.
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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 18:20:21 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:20:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: belle and sebastian album title conf
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hi again,

John Stuart/mail+schedule wrote:

> Are us compulsive fans going to get a sneak peek at the album cover?
> Katrina? David?

artwork?  do you honestly think we've actually seen it yet???

cheers,
Katrina.
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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 19:04:59 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:04:59 +0100
Subject: Sinister: list crush (again)
References: <d8b08f0d.35ae26a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <35AE40CB.359BAC99@jeepster.co.uk>


hey list,

can we trust Kristen not to tell?  i for one, would be in sooooooo much
trouble if david found out i had voted for him and him and .... ooh,
maybe i should stop now then.

yours guiltily,
Katrina.

Kayemess at aol.com wrote:

>   I volunteer to make the list crush list.  If you would like to participate,
> please send me the name of your list crush, and I will compile them into a top
> ten list.  You can have as many list crushes as you like, but you cannot have
> a crush on yourself.  Why not?  Because I like rules, that's why.

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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 19:15:51 1998
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:15:51 EDT
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: belle and sebastian album title conf irmed
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Don't they know there is, somewhere on the www list photos site, a lovely
photo of a wee child with a teddy bear that is very "B&S"??  Not the teddy,
altho' it is, but the photo? 
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From tasha at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 19:26:28 1998
From: tasha at xxx.com (Girl Racer)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:26:28 -0700
Subject: Sinister: unfavourites
Message-ID: <9807161126.ZM9204@blort>


>I
>don't much like "You Made Me Forget My Dreams." The only good part of that
>song is the little reward at the end when it suddenly gets funky.

o i just love that song. it is so bittersweet.  by the way i was meaning to ask
if anyone knows why they did do that electronic sounding part at the end?  i
always turn the volume way up for "you made me forget..." and then i have to
turn it down for that part cause it gets really loud and makes my ears start to
bleed.  almost.

as for my least favourite b&s song (there aren't many) i don't usually listen
to "century of elvis" i think just cause it's spoken and not a song. (just a
preference)

but now i have to make up for that by saying that i REALLY like "seeing other
people"... whoever was saying it was fun playing that on guitar is right,
although i would'nt know, but it's certainly fun to play on bass.  oh i learned
"dog on wheels" last night.  whoohoo.

i think us S.F. people need to think about hving another picnic or something.
and if anyone plays guitar we should do that too.

wow i posted something about belle & sebastian. this is a good day.

also i got the new Rialto album! anyone who doesn't have it should go out right
now and buy it!!

tasha

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From rnorth at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 20:55:02 1998
From: rnorth at xxx.uk (Northy)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:55:02 +0000
Subject: Sinister: I MET THOM YORKE I MET THOM YORKE
Message-ID: <199807161839.TAA27724@zeus.netdirect.net.uk>



FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

THOM YORKE WAS AT THE PETROL STATION AT THE SAME TIME AS ME, SHIT 
SHIT SHIT SHIT SHITE




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From suzsch at xxx.net  Thu Jul 16 19:49:58 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:49:58 -0500
Subject: Sinister: o canada
Message-ID: <199807161846.NAA19581@smtp2.mailsrvcs.net>




----------
> From: sinister-digest <owner-sinister-digest at xxx.net>
> To: sinister-digest at majordomo.net
> Subject: sinister-digest V2 #252
> Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 6:50 AM
> 
> 
> sinister-digest        Thursday, July 16 1998        Volume 02 : Number
252
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:06:29 +0100
> From: John Johnston <JohnJ at xxx.com>
> Subject: Sinister: Now I'm no Canadian but...
> 
> There is some fabulous Canadian music in this world. Hell there is
> fabulous American music and I can't bear it when people write off a
> country's music ability. It's stupid saying British music is ace (Chas n
> Dave anyone?) and others isn't or American music sucks/rules. There's
> just too much.
> 
> Sure it's easy to slag off Celine Dion and her compatriot cronies but
> give the Great White North a break I say.(BTW - I'm not trying to "have
> a go" at Suzanne S, I'm merely trying to engage in the full and frank
> exchange of robust opinions that makes Sinister the place it is 

Heh heh heh....not afraid that I'm either in a bad mood or a bit tipsy
again are ya?

>(indeed
> I second her emotions concerning Arab Strap - can we have a list crush
> please??)).

Hmm.  List crushes.....it makes people feel bad if they don't have one.

> 
> But I've always felt that if you have problems with the Barenaked Ladies
> then you take life/music far too seriously. I've seen them live on a
> number of occasions in Scotland and England and there gigs are so joyous
> - - such a celebration of being young and alive that they've really
lifted
> me. Sure they do "novelty" songs but they also do some really moving
> "straight" songs as well. Part of their genius is the way they can
> switch the mood of their gigs so brilliantly. And I've always thought
> that never in a million years could a band like that come from the UK -
> The Barenakeds don't have "attitude" or cynicism , they are so
> unselfconscious -they go out there and have fun and rock one for the
> kids; bands like them and others like Moxy Fruvous could only be
> Canadian in my books.

Still doesn't make me hate that song even less.  Sorry.  I like cheesey
music, but this is a bit irritating for me.
> 
> The Smiths said burn down the disco coz the music "said nothing to me
> about my life". I sometimes think "Thank God it doesn't! If every song I
> heard said I was balding computer programmer who couldn't find a
> girlfriend - my world would be a very miserable place indeed".
>
HA!  There it goes again.   95% of the guys I attract are computer
programmers and engineers!  I don't even bother asking what their
occupation is anymore, and I think once I actually said "you're in
computers, right?"    Is it because my dad programs computers that I know
how to speak the language?  Then again, austin is a huge computer mecca,
but the arty type automatically assume I'm a nice, run of the mill girl
that you'd shamefully want to bring home to your parents.  A friend of mine
said that I look "pleasant" (whatever that means).   Now, the arty hippies
will talk to me when they see that I have a guitar.  It's weird.

s.s.


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From nmarino at xxx.edu  Thu Jul 16 20:00:41 1998
From: nmarino at xxx.edu (Nicholas Joseph Marino)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:00:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Re: morrissey
In-Reply-To: <199807161549.QAA21946@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980716131512.3163C-100000@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu>


I've been quiet on the list thus far, but the recent offhanded 
Morrissey bashing has spurred me to jump in and make a stand in defense of
the Moz.. I might first begin by spouting my surprise that so few on a
mailer full of folks loving the lonely, displaced lyrics and happy pop of
B&S seems to appreciate a pioneer in this very musical vein.  At least
Erin (of Tape Tree fame) threw out a  "Kill Uncle" reference which, while
not my fave, gave me a glimmer of hope that I wasn't alone.  Those on the
US tree had better brace themselves for a helthy dose of the man when my
tape rolls around.  Shoplifters of the world......where are you??
Nick  

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From itstrue at xxx.net  Thu Jul 16 20:01:51 1998
From: itstrue at xxx.net (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:01:51 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Let the album title riots begin...
Message-ID: <35AE4E20.78BC@earthlink.net>


> >the title of the album is "The Boy With The Arab Strap"
> 
> Not the best name for the album is it? Isn't it just going to make people
> associate B&S with Arab Strap more?  If they wanted to name it after a track
> title, "It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career" or "Simple Things" would have
> been a more fitting title.

Well said.  Either one of those would have made perfect album titles. 
Although, on second though, "Simple Things" might have been a little
obvious.  But "A Brilliant Career" would have been a great album title.

But I see through B&S's little album title scheme.  What's happened is
that they've completely sold out and this album title is just a cheap
attempt to lure the unsuspecting legions of Arab Strap fans into buying
the album, thereby guaranteeing a #1 debut on both sides of the
Atlantic.  Meanwhile, the Arab Strap fans will have been duped into
buying an album with (shudder) singing and melodies and precious few
mentions of drug binges, and will end up bawling into their heroin
spoons, diluting the mix and spoiling a perfectly good hit.  I hope
Stuarts and co. are happy with themselves!  

>Anyone here like Frente?
> N.Z band aren't they? 

Australian...Melbourne, I'm pretty sure.  I wasn't crazy about either
one of their albums, but The Labour of Love EP is fifteen minutes of
some of the most beautiful music ever.  I wish they had stayed on that
path...

I'm still reeling from the brilliance of those Sleep the Clock Around
lyrics.  I had pretty much every word wrong.  I have a date with my, um,
five-string when I get home.  

Trusted to this,
    Reid
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From vanessa.figueras at xxx.se  Thu Jul 16 20:04:29 1998
From: vanessa.figueras at xxx.se (Vanessa Figueras)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:04:29 +0200
Subject: Sinister: shoegazing
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i always thought that it was the singer that stared at the floor 'cos he has
the lyrics there, and that's why they call it shoegazing. but hey, what do i
know
vanessa

BCapirigi at aol.com wrote:

> this might sound utterly daft, but can someone please explain to me what
> shoegazers are?  my music guide thingy lists, as Shoe Gazers:
> blur
> charlatans uk
> happy mondays
> inspiral carpets
> my bloody valentine
> portishead
> stone roses
> suede
>
> i dont see that much of a connection...
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From jon.g at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 17:51:18 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:51:18 +0100
Subject: Sinister: the boy with the 'arab strap' and Sleep The Clock Around
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Dastoor <nickdastoor at xxx.com>
To: sinister at majordomo.net <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 16 July 1998 17:25
Subject: Re: Sinister: jeepster-news: belle and sebastian album title
confirmed


>
>>the title of the album is "The Boy With The Arab Strap"
>
>I love it.  Stuart gets his dirty album title fetish out his system at
>last.


Naive, sweet little jon doesn't know what an Arab Strap is (although he does
know the band).  Can anyone inform him without being too crude?

Mr. Jose Maria Saq�illo wrote:
>I want to ask you something. would you please to write the lyrics of
>"Sleep the clock around" for me? My ssesions tape have a poor quality
>and it's hard to understand  all the words.

Well, a search in the archives ages ago found this:

>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Subject: Sinister: 'Sleep The Clock Around' lyrics
>From: Soozy (soozy at xxx.uk)
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:22:09 +0100
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Here you go... copied word for word from the back of a setlist (I knew
>there was a reason I nicked that!)
>----------------------
>Sleep the Clock Around
>And the moment will come when composure returns
>Put a face on the world, turn your back to the wall
>And you walk twenty yards with your head in the air
>Down the Liberty Hill, where the fashion brigade
>Look with curious eyes on your raggedy way
>And for once in your life you have nothing to say
>And could this be the time when somebody will come
>To say "Look at yourself, you're not much use to anyone"
>
>Take a walk in the park, take a valium pill
>Read the letter you got from the memory girl
>But it takes more than this to make sense of the day
>Yeah it takes more than milk to get rid of the taste
>And you trusted to this, and you trusted to that
>And when you saw it all come, it was waving the flag
>Of the United States of Calamity, hey!
>After all that you've done, I am sure you're going to pay
>
>In the morning you come to the ladies salon
>To get all fitted out for the Paperback Throne
>But the people are living far away from the place
>Where you wanted to help, its a bit of a waste
>And the puzzle will last till somebody will say
>"There's a lot to be done while your head is still young"
>If you put down your pen leave the trouble behind
>Then the moment will come, and the memory wil shine
>
>Now the trouble is over, everybody got paid
>Everybody is happy, they are glad that they came
>Then you go to the place where you've finally found
>You can look at yourself, sleep the clock around
>
>--
>Soozy
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So there you go.  Don't you just love these lyrics?  I do.

Hope this helps,

jon g.
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From james at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 20:19:14 1998
From: james at xxx.com (James Errington)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:19:14 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Old threads and new. HA!
Message-ID: <E0ywtJE-000291-00@serv1.is2.u-net.net>


Someone wrote;
> Arab Strap is not that great.  It's nothing but bass and an
> occasional squealy noise.  damn.  I want my money back.
NO! Stick with it! You may not get it on the first go, but keep on listening and 
pay particular attention to the lyrics. I didn't like them at first, but they are, you 
could say, an aquired love.

Someone else wrote;
> Who is Gaz Top? Is he the Nobby the Sheep bloke?
Gaz Top, for all americans etc is a 'quirky' childrens TV (science programmes 
mainly) presenter with (at the moment) ridiculous spiky blonde hair. 

...and someone else wrote;
> Blur, well they've just jumped around from scene to
> scene trying to make it look like they'd invented eveey one of them. I
> remember clearly Damon Albarn trying to claim he had "Killed Baggy" - Doh!
> You daft bastard, you've just been on top of the pops dresssed up as the
> Stone Roses!
....oh, come on, I think it's pretty fair to say that Blur invented "Britpop" at 
least. And, before you get on your high horse, we all make the occasional 
stupid comment - I bet B&S themselves cringe when they hear themselves on 
Mark Lamarr saying that they 'Only give out their address to birds'

> Some of the bands had good careers after but to my mind only Ride stuck
> to a similar formula.
Nah, with ride it wasn't really a formula, just a mood. I still love Ride, contrary 
to the impression previously given, so if anyone wants to criticise them I'll take 
them on. Still, I'll not forgive Andy Bell for either Hurricane #1 or THAT Sun 
advert.

> Stuart M sulks for three days
Just a nice request - can people stop referring to Stuart as 'Stuart M' - As a 
huge Mogwai fanatic I always think for a second you mean Stuart Mogwai AKA 
pLasmaTron and am therefore put down to find you don't mean him at all. 
Thankyou.

Jon g wrote
> Anyway, I like Seeing Other People.  So hands off.  I like the slow version
> as well.  bethey prefers the sinister version.  So there.
Personally I love everything B&S have ever done, except...
1) I suppose the session 'Seeing other people' is a little out of tune
2) The new 'The State I Am In' is not nearly as good as the original, and 
therefore just makes me wast to listen to it
3) I think 'Beautiful' takes the whole twee thing a little too far. Just a little.

'Andrew Robertson' wrote...
> usubscribe sinister
.....and they say there is no justice in the world. Andrew, I hope you enjoy this 
e-mail! 'usubscribe' indeed!

	So, that's done with all those old threads, and onto a new one. I just 
bought a double A-side 7" single with Stereolab on one side and Fuxa on the 
other. I hadn't heard of Fuxa before, but I LOVE their track. Does anyone know 
anything about them?

		Ta! 
			WeeJay


WeeJay - Manipulating you illicitly since 1979
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From biondino at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 04:15:07 1998
From: biondino at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:15:07 -0700
Subject: Sinister: List crushes, natch
Message-ID: <35AEC1BB.4D13@dial.pipex.com>


Oh. Having suggested we all vote, I then bugger it all up by having a list crush on the person who'll be 
compiling the list crush list.

It's to do with my hero worship of Kristen Hersh, I think. That's my argument, and I'm sticking to it.

It's just occurred to me that as one of the most loathed people on this list, I won't get any votes at all (not 
that I'm fishing or anything). And Rory, beautiful as you are, don't try and cheer me up as I know your heart 
remains with Linda - despite that voyage of discovery at popstarz...

Nickie-boy - you were so spot on about me being a show-off that I almost unsubscribed on the spot. In my 
defence, can I just say that I always make sure I read all the postings on the list before replying, in order 
to avoid repeating some salient and witty point made by someone else (usually the Hornester) - and so when I do 
start to write, it's never to reply to one mesage in particular.

I am actually quite nice. I promise.

Love and a sheepish grin,
Biondino

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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 20:26:29 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:26:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: a dreaded sunny day
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espadrille wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, debbie wrote:
> 
> > 
> > anyway, the mudfest that was Sunday afternoon was the best time i've
had at
> > a festival EVER. this was due to the two reasons i went in the first
place:
> > BERNARD BUTLER
> 
> did anyone hear about bernard butler having guitars and stuff nicked by
> loopy fans? so are we going to turn debbie in now or wait until she
> appears on crimewatch?


it weren't me guv, honest. that's my story and i'm sticking to it. i only
got a plectrum. you can't prove nuffink. ha.

"debbie"
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From jjones at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 20:41:11 1998
From: jjones at xxx.com (Jen Jones)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:41:11 -0600
Subject: Sinister: First Posts
Message-ID: <35AE5756.63E8DC5B@schwinn.com>

I apologize if this is already out of date.  I print the digests on my
way out of the office to read on the bus ride home.  I am so grateful
for the distraction.  This in response to a question asked yesterday in
one of the 2 digests I received.  RE: Songs for Chicks by Chicks
(although I know that wasn’t the actual title)

I am not sure how strict the theme has to be.  But I thought I would
list some songs that I found to be powerful love tools regardless of the
gender singing them:

1) “With a Girl Like you” the Troggs.  Best depicted in the movie
“Flirting” where the boys stand on one side of the room and the girls
stand on the other and nobody wants to make a move.  Besides, any song
where the “ ba-ba-ba”’s  or “la-la-la”’s are actually vocalized is a
good one ;)
2) “Girl from Ipenema (SP)” Getz/Gilberto.  It may be cliched but
goodness when Astrud starts in, her voice could make you melt.  I worked
in a small record store for 7 impressionable years of my life and the
fella who ran the classic store told me that when he was young this was
the song to make-out to.  That was a visual I didn’t need but I
definitely understood how it could lend itself to a “make-out” song.
3) “Be My Angel” Mazzy Star.  I liked Opal better but when rough trade
released She Hangs Brightly I thought Hope had dropped straight from
heaven.  I was only 16 that year and missed the opportunity to see them
in ’90.  By the time I did see ‘em (circa ’93) it had lost a lot of the
magic PLUS they didn’t play this gem of a song!!
4) “The Price I Pay” Billy Bragg.  Okay, this is a song about love lost
but I LOVE to sing it at the top of my lungs (regardless of the fact I
can’t carry a tune) and a lovely sentiment at that.
5) “Naomi” Neutral Milk Hotel.  This song actually gave me goosebumps
when I heard the first time.  I wish that someone would have that effect
on me.  Where they have filled every one of my senses to the degree that
I can still smell, feel, and taste them.  It’s so overwhelming that I
think that the person will explode into everything good.  I have come
close but my experiences don’t seem as magical as this.  This is truly a
magnificent tribute to Naomi ( where ever she is)
6) “Aeroplane Over the Sea” Neutral Milk Hotel (again, different album)
it could be that the Elephant6 collective is all Colorado has to offer
but I’ll tell you what: This song will fulfill every pop need you will
have.  Sure Jeff’s vocal range could use some work on the high end but
what a great song,
                                “ What a beautiful face I have found in
this place circling all around
                                  Sun
”

                                “
One day we will die and our ashes will
fly in an aeroplane over the
                                  sea.  But for now we are young, let us
lay in the sun and count every
                                 beautiful thing we can see love to be
”



I could on and on.  For girls singing about girls the Softies come to
mind.  Its Love is good although the best songs seem to be about
breaking up.  Yeah, ok, that’s the end of my first post to this here
list.  I am little nervous with all the rules that I may have broken one
with length but you gotta shoot for the stars right?  Thank you all, in
advance, for the daily distraction from my bus ride.

Jen J

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From: Blur245 at xxx.com (Blur245 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:45:01 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Dublin Home
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Hi
     I am asking for some help from anyone who lives in Dublin.My friend from
Florida is arriving in tonight and needs a place to crash for two nights.She
is very attractive and does not take up any space.So if there is anyone who
would like to show some Irish hospitality let me know.
                                         Thanks...............................
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From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:06:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: morrissey
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i love morrissey.
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From mneimark at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 21:18:55 1998
From: mneimark at xxx.com (Matthew Neimark)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:18:55 PDT
Subject: Sinister: Toulouse
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>certain smile, a certain sadness" is a must), Lenola, Toulouse 
>andStarflyer 59.

Toulouse are a fantastic band.  I wrote about them in the last issue of 
Creme Anglaise.

They currently have a new single out (on Scotland's Tinseltone records).  
I haven't been able to hear it yet but it includes the song, "The Subway 
Section of Town" which is poppy, uplifting, and a sign of the times. 

Their first album, The Way the City Stretches was an atmospheric work.  
Also very good, but representative of an earlier stage of the band.

Anyhow, indulge yourself in the single and you'll be in for a treat.

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From thaiant at xxx.gov  Thu Jul 16 22:23:49 1998
From: thaiant at xxx.gov (Thaian N Ton)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:23:49 -0500
Subject: Sinister: the girl finding arab straps
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>
>>the title of the album is "The Boy With The Arab Strap"
>
>I love it.  Stuart gets his dirty album title fetish out his system at
>last.


Naive, sweet little jon doesn't know what an Arab Strap is (although he
does
know the band).  Can anyone inform him without being too crude?

**
my b&s moment of the day:

now, i (being naive & brand new) looked up what an  arab strap was:
and ! heavens to betsy!  it came with a complete guide and plenty of
other toys to contemplate.  i must say it was eye opening.

incredible what the world wide web can do for your education.

ta ta,
thai-an
xoxo

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From vanessa.figueras at xxx.se  Thu Jul 16 21:36:50 1998
From: vanessa.figueras at xxx.se (Vanessa Figueras)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:36:50 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Re: morrissey
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I love Mozzer too

-Vanessa

doktorn sa att jag var sjuk
och jag tvekade en minut
jag slår mig själv om jag vill
det värker mer att tänka till

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From Ihamilt at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 21:47:10 1998
From: Ihamilt at xxx.com (Ihamilt at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:47:10 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Re: morrissey
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i want to have Morrisseys children
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From seilsd at xxx.net  Thu Jul 16 21:57:28 1998
From: seilsd at xxx.net (Damon Seils)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:57:28 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Re: morrissey
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morrissey is my list crush

--damon
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From nmacfarl at xxx.MacFarlane  Thu Jul 16 22:20:44 1998
From: nmacfarl at xxx.MacFarlane (nmacfarl at xxx.MacFarlane)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 17:20:44 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Canadian Music
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Canada has lots of great bands! 

The Sadies, Phonocomb, Sloan, The Imbreds, Hayden, Mean Red Spiders, 122 
Griege, Parts Unknown, Neck, Smallmouth, Slowgun, Picastro, By Divine 
Right....just to name a few.

Natalie

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From SLamba at xxx.COM  Thu Jul 16 22:46:44 1998
From: SLamba at xxx.COM (Lamba, Sanjeet )
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:46:44 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Canadian Music
Message-ID: <422B07DB41D7D111B9AF00805F19B04CE8BD9D@SFNS01>


The Odds. Aren't they Canadian? They had that single "Someone Who Is Cool"
about a year ago (maybe longer). 

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> 
> Canada has lots of great bands! 
> 
> The Sadies, Phonocomb, Sloan, The Imbreds, Hayden, Mean Red Spiders, 122 
> Griege, Parts Unknown, Neck, Smallmouth, Slowgun, Picastro, By Divine 
> Right....just to name a few.
> 
> Natalie
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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 22:58:08 1998
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:58:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: I love you all...
In-Reply-To: <199807160559.AAA12269@smtp1.mailsrvcs.net>
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On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Suzanne Schroeder wrote:

> "If I had a million dollars I'd buy your love..."  It kept going on and on
> until I figured out "Hey, wait!  This is an actual song!"
> 
> I cringed my way through the rest of it and later discovered it was the
> Barenaked Ladies!  They're Canadian!

Personally I quite like this song actually - although that's probably just
because it brings back memories of travelling over to Holland with a
coach load of students for a korfball tournament, doing mass karaoke to
it.

"If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a green dress;
 But not a real green dress, that's cruel..."

Music shouldn't be taken seriously all the time...


I also think "The Boy With The Arab Strap" is a great name for the album,
if only because it will confuse all the music journos who insist on
writing about B&S as these twee, innocent, mother-loving types all the
time...

Of course, we now need to come up with an abbreviation for it, 'cos it's
too long to type out every time. So;

Top Ten abbreviations for the new album title:

10, TBWTAS

9, Arab Strap

8, The Boy

7, The new one

6, About bloody time too

5, The extra mixing time was really worth it, honest

4, Stuart's lovechild

3, Jeepster's lovechild

2, Honeypaul's lovechild

1, Cock Fun


Oh, and if anyone has a list crush on me, you're completely mad. However I
am single at the moment so... (Unless Casaratto's reading this, in which
case I am most definitely NOT available to him...)

The Lurve God

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From not.rod.honest.guvnor at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 23:14:09 1998
From: not.rod.honest.guvnor at xxx.com (Someone other than Rod Begbie)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:14:09 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: list crush (again)
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On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 Kayemess at aol.com wrote:

>   I volunteer to make the list crush list.  If you would like to participate,
> please send me the name of your list crush, and I will compile them into a top
> ten list.  You can have as many list crushes as you like, but you cannot have
> a crush on yourself.  Why not?  Because I like rules, that's why.


That Rod Begbie.  Phwooarrr!!

Not Rod.

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From rod at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 23:16:13 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:16:13 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: belle and sebastian album title conf irmed
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On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, John Stuart/mail+schedule wrote:

> >the title of the album is "The Boy With The Arab Strap"
> 
> Not the best name for the album is it? Isn't it just going to make people
> associate B&S with Arab Strap more?

I thought that too.  Mind you, it looks like it could be a stonking
anagram.  Just off to redownload 'wordplay'...

> Are us compulsive fans going to get a sneak peek at the album cover?

With that title, I'm not sure I want to.

Rod.

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From aeos at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 00:07:43 1998
From: aeos at xxx.com (Andrew O'Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:07:43 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Let the album title riots begin...
Message-ID: <003801bdb10e$8adf7240$885795c1@default>


Reid wrote:
>Meanwhile, the Arab Strap fans will have been duped into
>buying an album with (shudder) singing and melodies and precious few
>mentions of drug binges

Oh, but do we *know* this?

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http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan/
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I will be your Rock of Ages'
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From Kayemess at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 00:20:13 1998
From: Kayemess at xxx.com (Kayemess at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:20:13 EDT
Subject: Sinister: first crush comp list
Message-ID: <b7ebd66d.35ae8aae@aol.com>



  My system of crush tallying is very rudimentary.  It involves writing down
the names of people as they appear in posts and/or private messages, then
putting little tick marks next to their names as people confess their love.  I
truly don't even really look at the author's name.  Unless it's SOMEONE OTHER
THAN ROD BEGBIE, which is a wee bit suspicious.

  Here we go:

  Keith- 5
  Tag- 5
  Morrissey-4 
  THE ENTIRE LIST- 2
  Living and Loving Matthew- 1
  Biondino- 1
  Tim Hopkins- 1
  Brad- 1
  Katrina- 1
  David- 1
  Bethey- 1
  Gary- 1
  and, finally, me, Kristen- 1
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From swanarama at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 00:28:05 1998
From: swanarama at xxx.com (Amanda Bergman)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:28:05 PDT
Subject: Sinister: le strap
Message-ID: <19980716232806.26802.qmail@hotmail.com>


well, not being as well versed in these areas as some (dr. miller? timmy 
p!o!p!kins?) I also consulted the WWW for more information on these 
"arab straps."

and there they are, catalogued for $11 (7 UK pounds), amongst a plethora 
of other, erm, goodies. (http://www.demask.com/harnes19.htm)

perhaps the next series of EPs will be similarly themed?

"The Boy With the Ball Tamer"?
"The Boy With the Scrotum Clincher and Separator"?
"The Boy With the T-Bar"?
"The Boy With the Studded Cock Ring"?


go have a peek for yourselves, kiddies, and be innocent no longer...

off to go and pick flowers or congregate with bunnies or something 
similarly pure,
Amanda x x 


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From TFertig3 at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 00:45:19 1998
From: TFertig3 at xxx.com (TFertig3 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:45:19 EDT
Subject: Fwd: Sinister: Re: morrissey
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<< 
 i love morrissey.
 - >>

This is sick.  Morrissey's an old bag. 

That ought to insite some riots.
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From SLamba at xxx.COM  Fri Jul 17 01:03:31 1998
From: SLamba at xxx.COM (Lamba, Sanjeet )
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:03:31 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Re: morrissey
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I'm with you, TFertig3. Morrissey gets on my nerves.
But I don't want to start any confrontations here. Actually, I have a
question about how people percieve the Smiths in retrospect. Who is
generally considered the genius behind that band? The singer/lyricist (a la
Sting, for lack of a better example) or the guitarist (a la John Squire)?
Because I, for one, think the lion's share of the credit should go to Jonny
Maar over Morrissey, and I was just wondering if their respective solo
careers is a reflection of how much credit fans give them for the Smiths'
stuff.

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>  i love morrissey.
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From suzsch at xxx.net  Fri Jul 17 01:36:22 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:36:22 -0500
Subject: Sinister: morrissey
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I like so Morrissey so much that I don't love anyone but myself.

s.s.
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From gary at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 02:51:49 1998
From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:51:49 +0100
Subject: Sinister: RE: sinister-digest V2 #254
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Lickle Sarah wrote .....

> List crushes? I fancy Tim H!O!P!K!I!N!S! and of course, Mr Wirral 1998 -
> Gary... (he'd better still be on the list to read this you know...)

Yep i'm still here, in a fit of lazyarsed lurkdom, but I thank you for the
vote, all be it a half vote. Same back to ya.

While i'm here though I may as well brush over a few topics that have been
knocking round lately.

On the Canadian bands thing, am a right in thinking Men Without Hats where
Canadian ?. Don't even think about it Sarah. 87)

Gaz Top is not only a top TV blokey, but before that he was an old school
pal of Mike Peters from the Alarm and later roadied for the band. Obviously
the bands influance on him was far too strong though, as he had a mullet
long after it was neccesary to have one.

Oh well, i'm sure I was going to mention something else but it's gone,
bugger it. Back to lurking then.

Four lads who shook the Wirral.











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<< 1) Neil Hannon of The Divine Comedy (anyone who writes a song about Mr Benn
is ok in my books)  
YOU GO BOY
 2) The fella out of B&S (showing my ignorance in not knowing his/their name,
 sorry)  
TEE-HEE, TEE-HEE
 3) Ian Brown/John Squire (for the first Stone Roses album alone)
 I AGREE 462%
 4) Tricky ("IF you believe or deceive then common sense says you shouldn't
 receive" as just one example of his genius) 
I AGREE 91%
 5) Paul Heaton (Am I alone in thinking that The Housemartins are the most
 under- rated bands of the 80s) 
NO!!
 6) Michael Stipe (Swan Swan Hummingbird?!?!?!?)
HO-HUM...
 7) Gruff Rhys From Super Furry Animals (for his twisted references) 
ER... YEAH!!
 8) Beth Gibbons from Portishead (just because) 
YEY FOR BETH GIBBONS AND OTHER IMITATION SHOEGAZERS (OR WHATEVER...)
 9) Kristen Hirsch ("This hairdo is truly evil", take a bow) 
I KNOW HERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAOOOOOOOOOOHHHOHOHO HOHOOOOOHOHOHOHOOOO SORRY I
LIKE NOT TOO SOON FAR TOO MUCH
 10) Blokes from Gomez (no reason, just my current favourites) 
DUNNOEM
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From parachute at xxx.net  Fri Jul 17 03:09:52 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (brad)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:09:52 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Re: morrissey
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morrissey is a has been.

hey, on that thought...since it seems i'm trading with americans only,
am i gonna be getting a shitload of morrisey and smiths? i'm scared of
that. they're good and all.....but i have everything i want. and nothing
morrissey's done since kill uncle has been worth a shit other than that
"boxers" single. and kill uncle is his best album, not his worst.

can we all agree that everyone on this list is familiar enough with
smiths/morrissey not to include it on the tapes? and don't all go
arguing with me at once.....cause i don't care. i'm just asking. 

-brad
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From parachute at xxx.net  Fri Jul 17 03:21:40 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (brad)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:21:40 -0400
Subject: Sinister: hmmph
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> brad - 1

one?

one?

is that all i am to you people? 

no, seriously...who is it? come on. i don't bite. i tend to gnaw a
little, but it actually kinda tickles.

i told my only friend, mr. wimple, my teddy, and he said "what? i made
you, you sorry fuck! you're nothing without me." i started to cry...but
you know he's right. 

so come on....i need a new friend....one who doesn't claim me as a
personal slave and keep me awake at night screaming the lyrics to
matchbox 20 songs in my ear.

oh yeah...i almost forgot. if you're still reading this far, i bought,
by pure chance, a greatest hits cd by the "left banke" today. i love it.
tell me again which song b$s covered....i can't be bothered looking in
the archives. 

teddy's angry. i must go.

-brad
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Jul 16 20:18:02 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:18:02 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Long Promised Joke
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Adrian Evans wrote:

>> In fact the last time i went was probably to see Jim "Lee Hurst" Shepherd
with my Kate..........


"My Kate"! Isn't that sweet? Has anyone else got a shetland pony?






Oh, bloody sod yer then...it's had me in stitches for two days. Must be that
"boredom" someone was talking about...

Peter

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Jul 16 21:27:00 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:27:00 +0200
Subject: Sinister: list crush (again)
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DIRTY PAULY wrote:

  Send your list crushes to Peter Miller
>(pjmiller at arrakis.es) I reckon - he's doing nothing but frightening
>devout catholics and helping girl guides with their tent pegs all day
>anyway.  Oh and send some rude dreams about your favourite crush
>too!  That'll steam up his spectacles.

This is untrue. I went to the beach this afternoon. Shall I tell you what I
saw? I don't really need to, do I? It was like a scene from Picasso's
"Garden of Earthy Delights"....

I hope the cover of the new album is an explanatory diagram of an "arab
strap", because I'm still not sure what it is. It's for blokes who can't get
their Flight Lieutenant to do the watuzi, isn't it? How rude!

Frumious Bandersnatch, now there's a band I'd like to hear....

List crushes: Here are some I made earlier....Ooooon's grandmother, who I'm
sure does a lot of voluntary work with unemployed elephants; Bethey's mum,
mainly because of the Joe Strummer incident, I mean Thom Yorke didn't shout
"got any unleaded, Northy baby?" did he?; Monica Queen, for her beautiful
voice that only satan's spawn could possibly dislike; the girl in the purple
frightwig; DIRTY PAULY because of his huge truck; erm..I'll get me coat as
well.

The Boy with the Arab Strap

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From jon.g at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 08:04:25 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:04:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Arab Straps
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http://www.leathercreations.com/199.htm

I now know what one is.

I am upset and misguided.

My innocence has been lost

Anybody else want to corrupt me?

jon g.
jon.g at btinternet.com - http://surf.to/jongandbethey


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From Ihamilt at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 08:46:28 1998
From: Ihamilt at xxx.com (Ihamilt at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:46:28 EDT
Subject: Sinister: 10 Crap but "credible" Scottish Bands
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1. Bis - Dreadful shouty nonsense - like early Fuzzbox meets Blur bsides -
this i might add, is not a good thing. Should be hung for their butchering of
"The Boy With The Thorn In His Side"

2. Uresei Yatsura - Middle class Glaswegian tossers doing a very poor attempt
at Pavement. Big tall guy annoys me as soon as i look at him. And anyone who
calls a song Slain by Elf can forget it. I lasted 3 songs watching them at
Sheffield last yeat.

3. Arab Strap - Rambling sub alcoholic mumbles over a tune that forgets its
supposed to be listenable somewhere along the line. Hugely overrated.

4. Idlewild - I saw these muppets supporting the mighty Gold Blade at King
Tuts. Daft wee boys trying to frighten their mum and dad by shouting and
jumping around a lot.

5. The Pastels - Steven Pastel is a lovely guy but purlleaseee, im no muso,
but a little terchnical ability wouldnt go amiss - after all theyve been at it
for long enough.

6. BMX Bandits - The kind of twee wank that students like for 6 months in
first year at uni to show how dreadfully alternative they are. In reality,
they are about as alternative as Hanson.

7. The Secret Goldfish - Being fey and winsome is a good thing and i heartliy
encourage it - these goons abuse the privelege. So sugary that after listening
to them for 10 minutes all your teeth fall out and you become 20 stones ( well
thats my excuse anyway)

8. The Delgados - See Uresei


9.  Mogwai - Like an even more irritating Sonic Youth - capable of being
splendid when they actually remember to write a song, but in general its 20
minutes doodling.


10.  Virtually anyone else on the Chemikal Underground label or who hangs
arounf the 13th note


Bye Kids


Iain

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From DMC at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 16 10:46:37 1998
From: DMC at xxx.uk (DMC)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:46:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: Shoegazing
Message-ID: <09503253112330@heathland.hounslow.sch.uk>


Shoegazing was one of those scenes put together in a conspiracy by the NME
and Melody Maker to tell the kids what to like. It was also referred to as
'The Scene that Celebrates Itself' - 'cos apparently everyone was really up
themselves, or the Thames Vallet Scene - as all the bands came from that
part of the world apparently... Well, Ride came from Oxford and Slowdive
from Reading. You get the picture!

 It came after baggy (Roses, Mondays) and C86 (The Wedding Present, Tululah
Gosh) and has been followed by such terrible things as Fraggle rock (Back
to the Planet), the crusty scene (Levellers), Riot Grrrl (Huggy Bear - Lest
we forget!), the New Wave of New Wave (Sleeper, Elastica), Britpop and all
the other terrible tags that those who want to destroy music have come up
with. Hell, lets put a tag on everything - Belle & Sebastian can be 'fey
pop' and lumped in with other bands that have acoustic guitars such as the
Auteurs. Or, apart from the fact that they come from Scotland could fall
into London's 'Red Wine Scene' with My Life Story, Rachel Stamp or Orlando,
because we can hear some strings at times!

The music press love to divide us, rule us and conquer!

I remember shoegazing as great, partly because I was living near Reading at
the time and everyone I knew was in a shoegazing band or new someone from
Chapterhouse. Anyway Steve Quarralt (is that right) bass player from Ride
still works in a record shop in Reading. Waheeey - what a career. In other
words shoegazing died as quickly as it began because although some of it
was good such as the early Ride stuff, eg Chelsea Girl and Nowhere, most of
it was pap, not P!O!P!

Does that help? I've got bucketloads of shoegazing stuff at home! A mispent
childhood I'm sure. It's good to discover that I am not alone in
remembering those dark old days of indie pop.

Dan
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From DMC at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 15 13:51:45 1998
From: DMC at xxx.uk (DMC)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:51:45 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Bits and bobs
Message-ID: <12530084312037@heathland.hounslow.sch.uk>


Top ten shapes:

1. A square
2. A triangle
3. A circle
4= A rectangle
4= A Hexagan
5. A pentagon
6. Erm...
7. Erm....
8. An octagon?
9. This is silly
10. Isn't it?

Keep up the top ten's. It's a bit like reading the News Of the World! Not
that I'd ever admit to having read it or ever having looked at those bloody
'Populist' things.


Good to see The Wedding Present mentioned on the list at last. Take Me, the
song on Bizzarro does go on forever and is vaguely exciting, but I reckon
some of the licks on songs like Dalliance are better!

Talking of which, the Cinerama song is fantastic. Long live David Gedge.

Dan
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 09:21:53 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:21:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: hmmph
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On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, brad wrote:

> 
> > brad - 1
> 
> one?
> 
> one?
> 
> is that all i am to you people? 
> 
at least you got one.... tho i seem to be mailing the list more than
anybody these days, how many crushes do i get? not one. not one little
itty-bitty slight inclination. 

that's it. i'm off to the monastery.

no. i've changed my mind.

i'm off to a nunnery with ophelia.

ttfn,

espadrille

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From aevans at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 09:37:37 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:37:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Maclins Quarry
Message-ID: <01BDB166.8A18BEE0@pc07628>



Top Ten responses to Peter Millers Joke :

>"My Kate"! Isn't that sweet? Has anyone else got a shetland pony?
>Oh, bloody sod yer then...it's had me in stitches for two days. Must be >that "boredom" someone was talking about...

1) You callin' my lass a horse ?
2) I'm sorry...Am I missing something here ?
3) 4 bloody digests I've had to wait...and for what ?
4) "it's had me in stitches for two days" I'll leave you in plaster for 6 weeks.
5) I don't get it...
6) I'm struggling now..
7) Who's Kate ?
8) Who won the FA C*p in 1947 ?
9) Very Good Peter....
10) Please explain.


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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 09:22:43 1998
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:22:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Fwd: Sinister: Re: morrissey
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 << 
 i love morrissey.
 - >>

<<This is sick.  Morrissey's an old bag. 

<<That ought to insite some riots.

All this Morrissey good/Morrissey wanker talk makes this list sound like the
letters page of the NME four years ago.

Rich

"mmmmm, incapacitating"

-Homer J Simpson

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From IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es  Fri Jul 17 10:00:17 1998
From: IMCEAEX-_O=GONVARRI_OU=CGT_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SAGUILLO+5FJH at gestamp.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jose_Maria_Sag=FAillo_=28hijo=29?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:00:17 +0200
Subject: Sinister: morrissey
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Para todos los Españoles en la lista. A mi me gustaba muchisimo
morrissey (The Smiths es el mejor grupo de musica pop de todos los
tiempos) hasta que vi por television los ultimos videos de Miguel Bose,
ahora para mi morrissey es una especie de M. Bose bastante caduco y con
unas ideas fuera de onda. Y ademas vive en España. Y encima
definitivamente pierde aceite.

Morrissey is Dead
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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 10:32:09 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:32:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Salako
Message-ID: <000501bdb165$c5549570$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


Did anyone else see Salako on Jack Docherty last night? They were OK, quite
paradoxically however, given the chit-chat on the list lately, they sort of
remind me of Frazier Chorus.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 10:45:35 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:45:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: first crush comp list 
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>Keith- 5
>Tag- 5
>Morrissey-4 
>THE ENTIRE LIST- 2
>Living and Loving Matthew- 1
>Biondino- 1
>Tim Hopkins- 1
>Brad- 1
>Katrina- 1
>David- 1
>Bethey- 1
>Gary- 1
>and, finally, me, Kristen- 1

What's going on here?  Only 3 votes for girls against 16 for boys (I'm
not counting Morrissey until he subscribes).  Are boys on the list too
shy, too cool to participate, or just more loveable?  And don't give
me that gayboy fop excuse - come on, broaden your horizons. Girls are
g-rreat too.

Other things:

You've all gone mad part #3:  I think 'Simple things' or 'It could
have been a brilliant career' would have been *disastrous* album
titles.  It's one thing having an overtly twee, detractor-baiting
title (like Honey's 'Songs for Children'), but these two would have
just been anodyne, nothing titles .  They're fine as track titles, but
an album is like setting out your stall to the world.  You've got to
dress to impress, like Roxette said.  Or at least confuse.

This Canadian artists thing can't run on any longer without a mention
of Mary Margaret O'Hara.  Morrissey once called 'Miss America' the
best album of the 80's, and for once the old nag might just have been
right.

Nick xxx





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From jossleag at xxx.ie  Fri Jul 17 11:26:11 1998
From: jossleag at xxx.ie (Joss & Leagues)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:26:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: a mad wolf
Message-ID: <v01530500630b6b1c7f7d@[194.125.11.144]>


Hallo you.
Iain, in an attempt to bait people, erred by mentioning:
>'the mighty Gold Blade'
Tee hee. You like old men in gold suits who try poorly to imitate Rocket
from the Crypt and the MC5. Or else maybe they're just good at arm
wrestling.
joss

PS >Brad- 1  (you may consider this doubled *blush*)

PPS top 10 reasons I shouldn't have pressed 'send'
10: 515 people don't care that I think GoldBlade are tosh.
9: Now that my address has been revealed I may receive a shit in the post.
Again.
8: I am actually paying for a phone call for this pointless thing.
7: Nickie will slag me.
6: Leagues will slag me.
5: Everyone else will grumble into their cereal before pressing delete.
4: Sir Cliff likes GoldBlade.
3: My cats breath smells of cat food.
2: I am shy and should be making the cover for my tree tape instead.
1: David Letterman may sue.

PPPS JonG: EastSideStory by Squeeze was made the same year as you.
        Happy Birthday Tomorrow...

____________________________________________________________
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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 11:41:17 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:41:17 +0100
Subject: Sinister: First (past the) Posts
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Jen Jones wrote RE: Songs for Chicks by Chicks:

> 4) “The Price I Pay” Billy Bragg.  Okay, this is a song about love
> lost but I LOVE to sing it at the top of my lungs (regardless of the
> fact I can’t carry a tune) and a lovely sentiment at that.

'Must I Paint You A Picture' by BB seems to floor most of the girls I
play it to. And I don't mean, 'get them on the floor' either. No. I've
got a spendid, firm mattress. It's either that or a jitty with a bus
stop nearby.

> Yeah, ok, that’s the end of my first post to this here list.  I am
> little nervous with all the rules that I may have broken one with
> length but you gotta shoot for the stars right?

Jen, I don't think there's any need to worry about complaints from
fellow listees. Partly cos that's the best email sent to the list
recently, but mainly cos Keith '5 Votes' Watson now has a firm electoral
mandate to futher his role as an avatar of justice.

And to combine two topics mentioned above, guys definitely need an
insight into what girls think. I would have thought Chris Leonard was a
cert. for a place in the Crush Collision Mix top 3. Nary a vote. 'You
will agree' he said 'that it is a fascinating pancake and a conundrum of
great incontinence, a phenomenon of the first rarity.'


Nick Dastor wrote:

> This Canadian artists thing can't run on any longer without a mention
> of Mary Margaret O'Hara.  Morrissey once called 'Miss America' the
> best album of the 80's, and for once the old nag might just have been
> right.

Indeed. Her 'A New Day' single has a live version of 'To Cry About'
which is simply ... 'Wyatt, I don't have the words'.


Turt

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From james at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 11:42:40 1998
From: james at xxx.com (James Errington)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:42:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sinister; it's your rock and roll.
Message-ID: <E0yx7i7-0004yF-00@serv1.is2.u-net.net>


Tim Hopkins wrote;

> May I take this opportunity to say that I think that shoegazing is vile in all its 
> forms, and that it is the antithesis of all that is P!O!P! Dull and studious
> music made by Serious Young Men is not for me, thank you very much.

> This service has been provided to you by 'cool/obscure tunes which are 
> probably not much cop anyway' incorporated. If you see these records in any
> shop, at any price, run away as quickly as you can. Apart from the Headtime
> one, of course. Now who wants to join a tape tree with me?

"..Dont be told who to like
It's your choice
It's your right to choose
Who to listen to
It's your rock and roll.."
(Now name the song, oh lyrical trainspotters)

Meanwhile, Girl Racer said

> by the way i was meaning to ask if anyone knows why they did do that 
> electronic sounding part at the end?  i always turn the volume way up for 
> "you made me forget..." and then i have to turn it down for that part cause it
> gets really loud and makes my ears start to bleed.  almost.

Because it was unexpected and different, and that's what it's all 
about, sweetie. :)

	Lots of love,
		Weejay


WeeJay - Manipulating you illicitly since 1979
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From JohnJ at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 11:41:21 1998
From: JohnJ at xxx.com (John Johnston)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:41:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tape Trees/Gregorian Chant/B&S Content - long un
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I'm very excited about the incipient tape tree but I'm a little bit
worried that my tastes are so relentlessly mainstream (I've never heard
of half the bands mentioned on this list) that there will be few unknown
gems for my treemates to enjoy. But I shall honestly try my best.

The talk of Gregorian chant made me wonder if I might stick "a dope cut"
(as they say down the Abbey) or two on my selection but I don't think
that would really work. But anybody keen to get with the superflyest in
Medieval Plainsong action could do worse that cop a load of Tomas Luis
de Victoria - particularly his Requiem "Missa Defunctorum". This is
without doubt the most beautifull piece of music I have ever heard and
it's the only thing that has ever made me cry from the sheer beauty of
it. I was sitting with my dad at home in Oxford looking out into the
garden (well I say garden - acres of rolling parkland with muntjack deer
and performing otters gamboling on the greensward,you know the sort of
thing...) and we listened to the Victoria Requiem together. There's no
instruments just human voices and there are moments of such intense
beauty and glorious humanity that we both found the tears cascading down
our cheeks.Then again that's what I love about my Dad - he cries so
easily at the glory of the human spirit be it a Micheal Owen goal or a
nobel peace prize winner.

But that pure humanity in the music is something i see in bits of B&S -
in some of those fragile moments when Mr M's voice offers up the lines
before the music kicks in. Also on Cof Elvis just hearing the talking is
something I've grown to love. Oh blimey I'm not really explaining myself
that well but anyhow I know what I mean!

Rollin' with da Friars
xx
John
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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 12:27:22 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:27:22 +0100
Subject: Sinister: artyfarty nonsense
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> Subject: 	RE: Sinister: list crush (again)
> 
> DIRTY PAULY wrote:
> 
>   Send your list crushes to Peter Miller
> >(pjmiller at arrakis.es) I reckon - he's doing nothing but frightening
> >devout catholics and helping girl guides with their tent pegs all day
> >anyway.  Oh and send some rude dreams about your favourite crush
> >too!  That'll steam up his spectacles.
> 
Pedro wrote:
> This is untrue. I went to the beach this afternoon. Shall I tell you what
> I
> saw? I don't really need to, do I? It was like a scene from Picasso's
> "Garden of Earthy Delights"....
> 
Hey hey hey!  Not that I'm pedantic or anything, but I really have to
protest.  "The Garden of Earthly Delights" is by Hieronymous Bosch, and was
painted about 500 years before Picasso was an Iberian eye twinkle.  Amongst
Mr. Bosch's other fine works are "The Ship of Fools" and "The Haywain".
Bird-headed demons a-gogo!

> I hope the cover of the new album is an explanatory diagram of an "arab
> strap", because I'm still not sure what it is. It's for blokes who can't
> get
> their Flight Lieutenant to do the watuzi, isn't it? How rude!
> 
>>

> The Boy with the Arab Strap
I think that's being just a little too informative about your private life,
Peter ;)

     ByeBye,
                    Liz.
           
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From Ihamilt at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 12:49:01 1998
From: Ihamilt at xxx.com (Ihamilt at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:49:01 EDT
Subject: Sinister: a mad wolf
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Joss,

Fair enough you dont like Gold Blade - thats fine and dandy by me. But beleive
me my post was no attempt to bate people. I have, to my regret, seen all these
bands and these are all genuinely held opinions.

And anyway, isnt the Belle and Sebastian/pastels/Arab Strap consensus
ultimately just as suffocating as the Oasis/Verve/Weller one that is casuing
so much damage today.


Iain
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From plastik at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 08:56:13 1998
From: plastik at xxx.com (dina passman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:56:13 +0000
Subject: Sinister: rufus is the mack daddy
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well, it has been so long since my last words that i'm any people "in 
the know" must have thought i had been in bethelehem or something. in 
all honestly, i had...for two days anyway.

enough. i just wanted to alert the b&s masses to the delights of RUFUS 
WAINWRIGHT. i saw him open for sean lennon (can you say "crap"?) on 
saturday and it was truly wonderful. mind you, i was brought by a 
friend for the sole purpose of being converted. i'll say no more right 
now because i haven't been paying close attention to the list and fear 
feeling like a parrot unawares.

shall i continue later?

kisses > dina
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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 13:26:02 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:26:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: You're rendering that scaffolding dangerous
Message-ID: <002801bdb17e$0f946120$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


>Joss,
>
>Fair enough you dont like Gold Blade - thats fine and dandy by me. But
beleive
>me my post was no attempt to bate people. I have, to my regret, seen all
these
>bands and these are all genuinely held opinions.


Yeah, I didn't see that as a baiting attempt - however I'd be tempted to
agree with you on almost all points, I'd agree that almost all of these
bands are shit too. The only thing really that makes me believe in Arab
Strap is the mix of David Holmes's Serge Gainsbourg's Don't Die Just Yet,
which is brilliant. I bought the Delgados album on the recommendation of
lots of people on this list and frankly find it pretty dull. Some of it's
OK, but mainly shite. I can't agree with all you say though, cause I don't
really wanna have Morrissey's babies - for the moment anyway, even if I did,
it'd have to be in some sort of daft, Hawtrey-esque manner.

    I can agree with Ian Turton about Chris Leonard, I was having a hearty
chuckle last night at the thing he stuck on Stuart David's Looper guestbook
a few weeks ago. Well funny.

    James Errington - that wee bit about Blur going on TOTP looking like the
Stone Roses was a bit of a joke really, although they did.. but I'm not
having a go at them for that, that song was OK I thought. In my opinion they
continually try to make themselves look like innovators however, when they
are basically just copy people - they're pretty good at it I suppose, at
least they have a tune, but most of it doesn't really do it for me. There's
that one "Oily Water" which is their sort of MBV chorus one, which is very
good at doing MBV, that one I like. I am unconvinced of anyone's ability to
invent something like Britpop though - where all Britpop appears to mean is
copying bands from the sixties.

    Hey Tim - cheers for your filling in the remainder of the guitar solos
top 10. They were all great - maybe... If I'd heard of any of them!

    One thing right that's been on my mind recently - and has become a bit
of a pub debate, which I'm wondering if you lot can help with. Do you
remember in the 80's when everyone and his bloody aunt decided that Prince
was a total Genius? Well, now were a good decade on from this time and we
were  trying to work out whether or not he is... I can see he's knocked up
some great songs, SIgn of the times and Alphabet Street standing out for me,
but genius, I dunno - throw enough mud at the wall, maybe... So what do you
lot think? Prince - purple genius, or pint-sized twat.



    Cheers,
        Keith.


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From shop at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 14:14:05 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:14:05 +0100
Subject: Sinister: list crushes
Message-ID: <35AF4E1D.44DB47F8@jeepster.co.uk>


to aid the perpetuation of list crushes i've developed a new postcard
script (plus the old one broke!).

anyhow, you can now send anon postcards, as the only thing the receiver
sees is your name (which you can make up).

and after you've sent a card and the other person picks it up the script
will e-mail you to let you know!

cool eh?

this means you can measure your own popularity by seeing how many ppl
actually pick up your postcards!

and to top it all off, a new press photo is now available on the site
(under the news tab) and can also be sent as a postcard.

have fun! 

david kitchen

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From shop at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 14:15:31 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:15:31 +0100
Subject: Sinister: list crushes addendum
Message-ID: <35AF4E73.2AD429AE@jeepster.co.uk>


actually i lied, it does give out your e-mail address in the initial
e-mail - but let's not be shy about such things.

you'll never get your hearts desire if you don't let them know. 

david kitchen

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 14:21:35 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:21:35 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: list crushes pudenda
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On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, david kitchen wrote:
> 
> actually i lied, it does give out your e-mail address in the initial
> e-mail - but let's not be shy about such things.

phew! you just let us know that in time. 
i nearly blew my cover
> 
> you'll never get your hearts desire if you don't let them know. 

and there's precious little chance if you do...

espanadol

'kiss the boot of shiny shiny leather...'

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From HobieS at xxx.net  Fri Jul 17 14:47:48 1998
From: HobieS at xxx.net (Hobie Shackford)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:47:48 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Tep Ton + Teep Tray
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Claire Timmins wrote:

>  darling wrote..
>
> >> 9.  Ioannis Konstantinos Papadopoulos
> >
> >believe it or not, this is one of the most popular names in greece...
> >tee hee
>  But why is it that when the greeks move over to Scotland (or maybe the
> rest of the UK) they adopt 'common british' names like George. I knew three
> george the greek's at Uni, and their Greeks names weren't similar. Any
> Greek listees know why.
>

probably cause they're embarrassed by their greek name and don't want people to
mispronounce it....AND if they're truly getting acculturated into
english/scottish culture they are probably really excited (cause they all adore
the english so much...hehehe) and when they learn english in school they learn
that giorgos=george and that's just how it works in english speaking
countries...so...yeah :)ARE there any greek listees on here? i would LOVE to
practice my greek...

> >
> >~darling
> >...who laughed laughed laughed at the list nonetheless...
> >
> >ps: where exactly is that uni?
>
>  That Uni is approx. ten minutes from my family home, seven miles west of
> Edinburgh. It has a rubbish Students Union, who give out free
> beer-t-shirts, for a laugh. Ha ha.

i think i've been to that stdent union...thats the scary thing...hehehe it was
rainy and yucka and i was wet...and yucka and hungry so i went there and bought
a few things at the lil shoppee thing there and sat on cold stone benches to
eat it while strange old people walked by (it WAS a weekend but...)weiiird...

get me away from here i'm dying is, was, and always will be my favorite b&s
song
*sigh*

~darling
...who goes to local pizzarias to practice her greek

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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 14:50:47 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:50:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Snowpatrol and stuff
Message-ID: <001b01bdb189$e6ff0330$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


Someone asked about Snowpatrol doing the Primals' Velocity Girl, sorry I
can't remember who it was, but yes I'm told they do do it, but he's not sure
whether it was one of the tracks chosen for the album or not.

Hope that's of some help.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From shop at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 14:54:42 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:54:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Snowpatrol and stuff
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Keith Watson wrote:
> 
> Someone asked about Snowpatrol doing the Primals' Velocity Girl, sorry I
> can't remember who it was, but yes I'm told they do do it, but he's not sure
> whether it was one of the tracks chosen for the album or not.
> 
> Hope that's of some help.
> 
> Cheers,
>     Keith.

the track-listing of all the forthcoming albums are on the news page of
the jeepster site at http://www.jeepster.co.uk/

velocity girl is track 10 on the snow patrol album

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From Mark at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 15:08:11 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:08:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Nick Dastoor
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Not really - I just wanted to make young Nick (who I have met only once,
but it seems like I've known him a lifetime) feel a bit more persecuted.

Was Kristen joking about all the votes for Morrissey? Hope so - Johnny
Marr was always the better looking, as well as the most talented. Still,
Suedehead, Last of the Famous, Interesting Drug - not bad going for a
has-been...

I had loads to say, but after a bottle or two of Amarone at lunchtime,
it's all left me. I have a bit of a problem with Ian's hate list, I must
admit - I don't see why they deserve to be lumped together, for a start
- is he slagging them to see what people's reactions will be? It seems
to me a bit of a miracle that he likes Belle and Sebastian if he is so
antipathetic towards a good half of those he slates - and anyway, how
come he's so au fait with the Cha Cha Cohen back catalogue ("10.
Virtually anyone else on the Chemikal Underground label")?

I also have a bit of a soft spot for Bis - and have you seen Manda since
the weight went and the tan arrived? Helloo...

And can I just say fuck off to anyone who genuinely uses the term
"middle class" as an insult. We're stuck with it, bucko.

I've just read a story with the words "my egg-laying days are over" in
it - maybe I have stumbled on the mysterious lost verse...

Love and grumpiness,
Biondo

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From rod at xxx.com  Thu Jul 16 23:41:46 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:41:46 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Anagrams.
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Trap that baby white horse!
Bah! That praiseworthy beth!
Abbot Typewriters!  Ah Hah!
Ahh!  Shy heartbeat at birth.
Oh, The baby wart therapist.
Artistry heath.  What be-bop?
Hiawatha Throbby - Pert Set!


Rod.

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From rod at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 10:06:57 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:06:57 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 10 Crap but "credible" Scottish Bands
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And now... 10 Crap but "edible" Bands
-------------------------------------

10. Smashing Pumpkins
9.  Spice Girls
8.  The Secret Goldfishpaste
7.  The Sundaes
6.  Super Furry Caramels
5.  Urusei Satsuma
4.  Carob Strap
3.  Candarelgados  
2.  Creme-brace
1.  Babybel & Sebastian

Rod.

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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 15:28:35 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:28:35 +0100
Subject: Sinister: snowpatrol and stuff
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sorry, i actually responded to that one privately, but just in case
anyone else is interested, no, it's not a primal scream cover, it's a
lightbody/quinn/mcclelland original.

so there ... :)

album released 31st august 1998.

bye bye,
Katrina.


Keith Watson wrote:
 
> Someone asked about Snowpatrol doing the Primals' Velocity Girl, sorry I
> can't remember who it was, but yes I'm told they do do it, but he's not sure
> whether it was one of the tracks chosen for the album or not.

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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 15:35:35 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:35:35 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Salako
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hi everyone

aren't they sweet though?  *sigh*  wish the bastards at jack docherty
had told me it was bloody going out last night though.

anyhow, they'll be on again on tuesday 28th july, doing their new single
"growing up in the night" (which is released on 3rd august incidentally)

sorry, just plugging again .... (well, whenever keith isn't doing for me
anyway!)

cheers,
katrina.

ooh ... p.s. - can i just add that david and i did not vote for each
other in the list crush thingie ... *sigh*

Keith Watson wrote:
 
> Did anyone else see Salako on Jack Docherty last night? They were OK, quite
> paradoxically however, given the chit-chat on the list lately, they sort of
> remind me of Frazier Chorus.

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 15:39:15 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:39:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: 10 Crap but "edible" bands volume 2!
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On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Rod Begbie wrote:
> 
> And now... 10 Crap but "edible" Bands
> -------------------------------------

not forgetting...

the sugarcubes (and their singer bj-pork)
the swiss-rolling stones
new hors d'oeuvres
the cheeses and mary chain
the cure-d ham
bernard butter (just for debbie...)
and his former band... swede

blimey! that's enough. it's like doing the late arrivals at the fireman's
ball thing off 'i'm sorry i haven't a clue...'

espadrille

>
> 10. Smashing Pumpkins
> 9.  Spice Girls
> 8.  The Secret Goldfishpaste
> 7.  The Sundaes
> 6.  Super Furry Caramels
> 5.  Urusei Satsuma
> 4.  Carob Strap
> 3.  Candarelgados
> 2.  Creme-brace
> 1.  Babybel & Sebastian


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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 15:48:41 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:48:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: The boy with the dirty dream about list crushes
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Does anyone know if Dirty Dream #2 on the new album is fundamentally
the same song as the one just called Dirty Dream that they played at
the Saturday matinee concert in Manchester?  I ask not to show off
about remembering this, but because it was the highlight of all the
new songs I heard.  Can't rememember anything about it.  Just that it
was ace.

I'm so excited
And I just can't hide it
And I know I know I know I want you I want you (and your arab strap)

Nick xxx
         
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Deep thought of the day:

When I was a kid my favourite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school
we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat
one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman
was a bear.





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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Fri Jul 17 15:48:39 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:48:39 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Return to Roddington Place
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Keith set forth his stall:

I am unconvinced of anyone's ability to
>invent something like Britpop though - where all Britpop appears to mean is
>copying bands from the sixties.

Ah, Britpop...British pop music; specifically, the music of a loose
affiliation of independent British groups performing in the mid nineties,
showing influences from a variety of British musical traditions

Britpop...has become the most popular musical form in the country, despite
orr because of its central tenet; a (very) basic gainsaying of the recieved
wisdom that "nobody writes them like they used to, so it might as well be
me".

That comes form the Oxford Dictionary of New Words. I was hoping to bore
everyone to death with a definition of "shoegazing" but it didn't make it,
I'm afraid. Trip Hop is there, though. Quite frankly, I think they don't
know what they're on about when it comes to groovy street language of the
guttersnipe.

Keith tries to distract us all from the pressing matter of Morrissey's
worth:

>    One thing right that's been on my mind recently - and has become a bit
>of a pub debate, which I'm wondering if you lot can help with. Do you
>remember in the 80's when everyone and his bloody aunt decided that Prince
>was a total Genius? Well, now were a good decade on from this time and we
>were  trying to work out whether or not he is... I can see he's knocked up
>some great songs, SIgn of the times and Alphabet Street standing out for
me,
>but genius, I dunno - throw enough mud at the wall, maybe... So what do you
>lot think? Prince - purple genius, or pint-sized twat.

Funny you should mention this, because I've been having a one man debate
about Prince as well, brought on by reading an article in Record Collector
about his outtakes. I haven't reached a conclusion yet, hampered no doubt by
not having anything to listen to. There are certainly lots of really good
Prince songs, too many to remember really...If I Was Your Girlfriend, the
aforementioned Alphabet Street, Sexy MF, Raspberry Beret...lots more, but my
brain's seized up. I used to think that the second single form each of his
albums was really good, but I can't remember why. Also, at the time I had no
idea where His Royal Purpleness was coming from, but now I can see the
influences a bit more. That film, Under the Cherry Moon, is really good,
really sexy. Boys and Girls, that's a good song. Taking all things into
consideration, I think Prince is better than Julian Cope, but I'm not
entirely sure. I think I need "Hits".

Is anybody still there?

Adrian; I wasn't really suggesting that your bird is a horse, more that you
are going out with a horse, or living with one or whatever. You know, a real
horse, not a bird who looks like a horse. It's a great joke, you just have
to think about it for a couple of days, to the exclusion of everything else.
Eventually it all becomes apparent. Trust me.

I would like to know more about Tomas Luis de Vitoria's "Missa
Defunctorum" - like where I can get it, you know, that kind of thing. I like
Gregorian Chants when there's birds as well as blokes, although I don't know
if that's strictly allowed.

Speaking of birds, Picasso's Garden of EARTHY (not earthLy) delights is a
little known engraving he did on the beach, not long after that famous photo
was taken, you know, the one where he's holding a brolly over his bird, to
keep the sun off her in case she gets sunburnt.

Well, I hope you all have a really good weekend. I'll be trying out my new
arab strap, which I made from a Coke can ringpull and a couple of those
thick elastic bands that postmen usually have.

B-bye now!

Peter

PS: Amanda, I take it your Dad's unsubscribed now then?

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From ronbarrett at xxx.ie  Fri Jul 17 15:19:00 1998
From: ronbarrett at xxx.ie (Barrett R)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:19 +0200 (CET-DST)
Subject: Sinister: Satan's spawn writes
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PJ wrote:
> Monica Queen, for her beautiful voice that only satan's spawn could 
possibly dislike

Mmm, that'll be me then.  Another disguise blown.  Damn.

I thoght Iain's top 10 crap bands was a good laugh, even if I don't quite 
agree with him on The Delgados, Bis or Arab Strap.  Most of the others do 
strike me as being no-talent chancers.  I kind of have a soft spot for Bis 
myself, even if the album wasn't much cop.  Some of the singles were fine 
P!O!P! tunes.  And I quite liked their version of "The Boy.." - it certain 
wasn't the worst thing on that album.  I change my mind on Arab Strap every 
time I listen.  I think your man is a bit of a scumbag, and yet I'm often 
intrigued for some reason.

Morrissey v Marr - I think that they've both lost it in recent times. 
 Southpaw Grammar was a completely godawful album, and I kind of gave up on 
him, while the second Electronic album was pretty poor stuff at times too. 
 I agree that Marr probably doesn't get his share of the credit for the 
Smiths stuff too, it's not just the wry and intelligent lyrics that I listen 
to them for at any rate.

I've often thought the same as Keith about Prince - he does stick out the 
odd fine tune, but there must be 5 or 6 duffers for every good one.  Does 
this make him a genius?  Not sure.

Have a nice weekend all

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From aevans at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 16:00:09 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:00:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Green Cullet
Message-ID: <01BDB19B.FA2025E0@pc07628>



Rod Begbie wrote :

>Hiawatha Throbby - Pert Set!

Chuckle chuckle tee hee...

But as you're not really Rod, I'm claiming this.

Elizabeth wrote :

>Amongst Mr. Bosch's other fine works are "The Ship of Fools" and "The >Haywain".

And not forgetting the new All-Digital 1500 spin-washer dryer.

Also didn't he do the album cover to Mega City Fours *Sebastapol Road* LP ???  Fuck he must be really old.

Sleep child sleep.

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From aroels at xxx.fr  Fri Jul 17 17:23:00 1998
From: aroels at xxx.fr (Anne Roels)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 98 17:23 GMT+0100
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From Mattn at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 16:46:53 1998
From: Mattn at xxx.com (Neimark, Matt)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:46:53 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Velocity Girl
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>velocity girl is track 10 on the snow patrol album

I would buy the Snow Patrol album just for the cover of this song, which
I believe is one of the most fantastic songs ever written.

Sorry Keith, but the roses copied off this one.

Another good cover I heard today was Angie Heaton covering "Just walk
away renee" by the left banke.


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From tangent at xxx.net  Fri Jul 17 17:36:39 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:36:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sinister; it's your rock and roll.
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> "..Dont be told who to like
> It's your choice
> It's your right to choose
> Who to listen to
> It's your rock and roll.."
> (Now name the song, oh lyrical trainspotters)

never one to dodge the chance to look like a trainspotter, this is
Lawrence, but Lawrence of Denim as opposed to Lawrence of Felt so
although it's okay to like it it's not obligatory to become monumentally
obsessed. i was listening to an old compilation tape in school today and
up popped 'she lives by the castle' and i came over all weird. or
weirder... Um, the song quoted is 'Middle of The Road' and is on the
'back in denim' LP. Also on a single with a cover of the theme to Robins
Nest on the flip. Do you want label and catalogue numbers, or have i
done enough to prove myself worthy of my anorak?

opening the first beer of the evening...

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From tangent at xxx.net  Fri Jul 17 17:52:58 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:52:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The Fox and the Boxer
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Chris Leonard wrote:

> Being so girlie made life very hard for young Struan.  You see, he lived in
> the toughest street in the whole of Troon, a vile and wretched town on the
> westermost coast of Scotland.

well this is quite transparently another attempt to hijack the lifestory
of the duke and use it for the ends of promoting popular music
recordings by youngsters not imaginative enough to make up enough
banality about their own lives.

the duke would like it to be known that his life in the vile streets and
promenade of troon was indeed incomprehensibly dreadful and the bit
about getting the girls because being weedy and girly became trendy is
in fact a load of pish. the only thing that the duke was ever good at in
troon was being beat up by casuals. and casuals' girlfriends.

if 'struan' ever passed the duke by in those hateful days he probably
thought, 'well life may be pish but it's not as pish as it is for him'.
or something.

actually someone on the list once told me that they think they saw me in
troon once, outside Togs, and this was before they'd written to me and
anyway, they said that i looked like i was probably the 'hipster'
outsider of the town or something, and it was so sweet when i heard that
and it almost made up for being in the bloody place. It was probably
just made up but it made me happy for a while :-)

i'm heartbroken i haven't even scored 1 in the crush lists... sigh.
probably serves me right for being such an arrogant know-all fuckwit.

and i think that the new LP title is ace and i'm just glad they hadn't
decided on that when i asked K & D back at start of the year so that our
school kids could do designs for it... 

respect,

duke of stella

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From shop at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 17:44:55 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:44:55 +0100
Subject: Sinister: blue soda social
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is actually called off tonight.

trousers and myself are hoping to turn thi sinto a monthly and put more
effort into it. but weekly has proved too much and with the work for the
jeepster albums piling up - i'm becoming too busy to really give it the
attention it needs.

either trousers or myself will mail next week with more details about
the future plans of the social.

thanks 

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:28:20 -0300
Subject: Sinister: Belle & Seb - The new Oasis ? 
Message-ID: <01bdb1a8$4acfdb00$0100007f@localhost>


cane 141 - scene from 6am
*northern irish band that reputedly sound a little like belle & seb*


Oh My God !
Another band "that reputedly sound a little like Belle & Sebastian".
I don't believe anymore
The Hefner song i got via their web page is so crap.
(sorry, Hefner's fans)
The Sebastians scene that NOT celebrate itself ?
Do they wear nice shoes ?
well... a crap band that reputedly sound a little like Belle & Sebastian is
better than a good band that sound a little like Oasis...and it's better
than "Kill Uncle"
(sorry, Oasis/Kill Uncle fans)



**Salako**
Katrina wrote (an old mail):
>Their web-site will go
>on-line at midday on July 20th, you can see
>the countdown at http://www.jeepster.co.uk/salako/

Sound files ?
Liquid Audio is great.
Need to listen to them.
David, July 20th ?

Ivo A P Escossia
escossia at electus.com.br

Ps: I need to buy Black Box Recorder's album.
Ps: Don't forget, Boys and Girls,There's a place in hell for me and my
friends.





















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From rnorth at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 19:50:15 1998
From: rnorth at xxx.uk (Northy)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:50:15 +0000
Subject: Sinister: skins crawling....
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> worried that my tastes are so relentlessly mainstream (I've never heard
> of half the bands mentioned on this list) that there will be few unknown
> gems for my treemates to enjoy. But I shall honestly try my best.

This is the same for me.  I've had to scour tapes made for me by 
friends to get anything but Radiohead and Catatonia on my tapes!

But I also have put a few unheard gems on there.

Damn, that new Placebo song is great!

(I met Thom Yorke!)

Northy


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From rnorth at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 19:50:15 1998
From: rnorth at xxx.uk (Northy)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:50:15 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Shot right through me like a bolt of blue.
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It is yes Katrina, but for some reason I forgot to send the whole 
story....

so here goes....

OK, I was at the petrol station opposite the Links pub in Ashford 
Middlesex with my friend Ian at about 4pm.  We'd just come back from 
playing tennis and we were slurping away at our drinks.

So I look at this car, and say, doesn't that car look weird. (The 
number plate was not in the middle, it was placed to the right.

Then Ian says, "look, that bloke looks like Thom Yorke", and I look 
at him filling his car up and it does a bit.  Plus he was wearing 
sunglasses, and although it was sunny, I thought he might be wearing 
them to cover his lazy eye.

So he's finished filling up and he walks past us into the petrol 
station shop.  He was wearing grungey clothes and was unshaven.  So I 
think, "oh my God, Thom Yorke"  Then I look through the shop window 
and he'd taken his sunglasses off and I saw the lazy eye!  THOM YORKE 
THOM YORKE THOM YORKE THOM YORKE THOM YORKE

So rather nervously I go into the shop and manage to stutter the 
question, "excuse me are you Thom Yorke"  Not looking at me he said 
in a rather pissed off tone, "Sorry I'm busy mate" and I said "oh" 
and walked off.

So, I walked out and back to speak to my friend.  I was *so* ashamed 
at having invaded his privacy and I felt *really* bad.

But nothing will take away the fact that Thom Yorke, an international 
rock star was at the petrol station in my home town at the same time 
as me.

I mean this thing really, really meant a lot to me.

Probably like one of you guys meeting Morrissey when you were my age 
(18)

> just trying to keep honey sane .. doncha think that that sort of thing
> is slighty inapporpriate to post to the B&S list?

Yes, but this was a monumental part of my life and damned exciting!

so anyway I suppose I'd better add my two cents to the Belle and 
Sebastian album title:

If I had the deciding vote I'd call it "Fraggle Rock" just because I 
could.

anyways

bye


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From cires at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 13:24:46 1998
From: cires at xxx.uk (Cires)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:24:46 -0000
Subject: Sinister: first post....um ...hopefully
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Hi People,

I was wondering if anyone knew of any B&S gigs in Scotland (esp. Glasgow) anytime soon?

Thanx.

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From Stanleyboy at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 18:48:52 1998
From: Stanleyboy at xxx.com (Stanleyboy at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:48:52 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Calling musicians.
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Hey people.

This is a bit cheeky as it isn't really related to Belle & Sebastian but if I
can be so bold as to put a blatant advertisment for myself in I'd be
appreciative. I just wanted to ask if there's any musicians (vocals, drums,
bass, keyboard) out there (london, herts, essex area) who are not currently in
bands and would consider putting one together with me. I'm 24 and have been
playing guitar, songwriting, and in and out of various bands for about eight
years. My influences span from Yo La Tengo, to Burt Bacharach, to Tom Waits,
to our own Belle & Sebastian (there's the connection!) even though I'd be
looking for a refreshing new sound. Please mail me personally if you're
interested... cheers.

-Paul-

Stanleyboy at aol.com
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From shop at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 18:44:09 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:44:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: Belle and Sebastian UK dates announced!
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hello everyone! 

we finally have some good news for you! hurrah :)

okey doke, please note that the tickets for these are NOT yet on sale,
we should be able to announce that information at the beginning of next
week. 

but, the information you have all been waiting for ... the confirmed UK
dates are:

Monday 4th September 1998
	Leeds, Variety Theatre (capacity 500) 

Tuesday 5th September 1999
	Nottingham, Marcus Garvey Centre (capacity 800)

Thursday 7th September 1998
	London, Shepherd's Bush Empire (capacity 2000)

so there you have it! 

we'll hopefully be able to confirm dates outside the UK next week too. 
please note that these WILL NOT be the only Belle and Sebastian dates in
the UK this year, so don't be disappointed that they are not coming to
your town yet.

ticket prices should be between £8 and £10 for these dates ... again,
we'll confirm this next week!

i think we should go home now ...	

cheers,

david & katrina

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From shop at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 18:54:10 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:54:10 +0100
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: dates addendum
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we're in the habit of correcting ourselves! obviously we get too excited
prior to pushing send and never bother to proof read!

PLEASE NOTE;

FRIDAY 4th September 1998
        Leeds, Variety Theatre (capacity 500) 

SATURDAY 5th September 1998
        Nottingham, Marcus Garvey Centre (capacity 800)

MONDAY 7th September 1998
        London, Shepherd's Bush Empire (capacity 2000)

which means that the london gig will coincide with the album release :)

we should really go home now . . .       

cheers again,

david & katrina

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From james at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 18:59:21 1998
From: james at xxx.com (James Errington)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:59:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Ouch!
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A poor excuse for a human being called Iain wrote

> 10 Crap but "credible" Scottish Bands
.....dangerous waters here....
>1. Bis - Dreadful shouty nonsense - like early Fuzzbox meets Blur bsides -
> this i might add, is not a good thing. Should be hung for their butchering of
> "The Boy With The Thorn In His Side"
....not that I've heard that one, but where I come from only people over seventy
could ever refer to music as 'dreadful shouty nonsense'. Hating Bis is too easy. 
....and as if they have any 'credibility'!
> 2. Uresei Yatsura - Middle class Glaswegian tossers doing a very poor 
> attempt at Pavement. Big tall guy annoys me as soon as i look at him. And 
> anyone who calls a song Slain by Elf can forget it. I lasted 3 songs watching 
> them at Sheffield last yeat.
Don't you find it pathetic how my fellow Britions have to resort to class when
they run out of arguments. How anyone can dislike the rush of 'Siamese' is
beyond me... And what kind of fool judges a band he's only seen 3 songs by.
I have seen 'urusei' twice - once they were wonderful, once they were not so 
good. There you go.
> 3. Arab Strap - Rambling sub alcoholic mumbles over a tune that forgets its
> supposed to be listenable somewhere along the line. Hugely overrated.
....look, why don't you try for once to understand why people like Arab Strap -
It's not just to be cool y'know. the 'strap write songs that may be 'difficult' at 
first, but which REALLY are worth it.
> 4. Idlewild - I saw these muppets supporting the mighty Gold Blade at King
> Tuts. Daft wee boys trying to frighten their mum and dad by shouting and
> jumping around a lot.
...Never seen them. But I cant say I trust your judgement now....
> 5. The Pastels - Steven Pastel is a lovely guy but purlleaseee, im no muso,
> but a little terchnical ability wouldnt go amiss - after all theyve been at it
> for long enough.
...you dont really get punk, do you Iain...
> 6. BMX Bandits - The kind of twee wank that students like for 6 months in
> first year at uni to show how dreadfully alternative they are. In reality,
> they are about as alternative as Hanson.
I cant say I'm a big fan myself, but the kind of fool who moans about "twee 
wank that students like" on a B&S mailing list will get what he deserves.
> 7. The Secret Goldfish - Being fey and winsome is a good thing and i heartliy
> encourage it - these goons abuse the privelege. So sugary that after listening
> to them for 10 minutes all your teeth fall out and you become 20 stones ( well
> thats my excuse anyway)
....alright, you go and listen to 'Venus Bonding' again, and tell me it isn't the 
greatest P!O!P! song you've ever heard....
> 8. The Delgados - See Uresei
.....as if! They are nothing like them! What next, "Take That, ah see Captain
Beefheart"....
> 9.  Mogwai - Like an even more irritating Sonic Youth - capable of being
> splendid when they actually remember to write a song, but in general its 20
> minutes doodling.
...look, give it a chance. Put the headphones on and the volume up to 10. You'll
see what all the fuss is about...
> 10.  Virtually anyone else on the Chemikal Underground label or who hangs
> arounf the 13th note
Well, isn't that pleasant of you. look, if you want to be mindlessly cynical Iain,
go apply for a job at the NME. I'm sure they'll welcome you with open arms.

So my list crush is on anyone else who's written a similar diatribe since the
last digest. 

	The revolution starts here....   .
				WeeJay



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From itstrue at xxx.net  Fri Jul 17 19:17:34 1998
From: itstrue at xxx.net (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:17:34 -0400
Subject: Sinister: I'll play my "La la" shit for you anytime
Message-ID: <35AF953E.6278@earthlink.net>


Katrina re: "Velocity Girl"
> sorry, i actually responded to that one privately, but just in case
> anyone else is interested, no, it's not a primal scream cover, it's a
> lightbody/quinn/mcclelland original.

Then the next question is "Is it a tribute to the now-defunct D.C. band
of the same name?  Or at least about them?"  Velocity Girl, to this day,
is the best opening band I've ever seen (in 1993, opening for Belly).

> So what do you
> lot think? Prince - purple genius, or pint-sized twat.

I'd be pretty hard-pressed to find a single person who thought he was
anything less than a genius.  And some of his new stuff is pretty great,
too.  Just a little hard to keep up with...

B&S free,
   Reid
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From emason at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 19:21:22 1998
From: emason at xxx.com (Ed Mason)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:21:22 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: Morrissey,BBR,Visiting Rights
In-Reply-To: <199807170803.JAA07877@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
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>From: TFertig3 at xxx.com
>Subject: Fwd: Sinister: Re: morrissey
><< 
> i love morrissey.
> - >>
>
>This is sick.  Morrissey's an old bag. 
>
>That ought to insite some riots.
>

On this topic, there's an article in today's (UK) Guardian by Dave Simpson
on said Mozzer, which includes the following;

"It's not generally known that Stephen Patrick Morrissey currently has no
record or publishing deal and no management, and that his band of several
years standing have formed a new group, Lorca.  His lat album...sold
poorly.  His name has been removed from Mercury's Website list of artists.
Some suggest a new two-album deal with an unspecified label, others
imminent retirement".


DMC wrote;

>Shoegazing was one of those scenes put together in a conspiracy by the NME
> has been followed by such terrible things as Fraggle rock (Back
>to the Planet), the crusty scene (Levellers), Riot Grrrl (Huggy Bear - Lest
>we forget!), the New Wave of New Wave (Sleeper, Elastica), Britpop and all
>the other terrible tags that those who want to destroy music have come up
>with. 

Let's not forget Romo (RoMo?), oh alright then, lets.

Comrade Hopkins' single-handed attempt to repopularise a certain early 90s
Cherry Red band is interesting, funnily enough I was thinking of a similar
project focussed around The Visitors, I feel an interesting addition to my
Tape Tree effort coming on...

For those of us seeking aural entertainment in the gap between now and 7
September it appears that worse could be done than Luke Haine's new band
Black Box Recorder, just heard 'It's Only The End of The World' from
'England Made Me' LP on a free Mojo (magazine) CD sampler, truly
fine...(also cotains a Pernice Brothers track and Rufus Wainwright, on
subject of recent posts)

Have just realised that 'Mayfly' and 'The Boy Done Wrong' are perhaps my
favourite B&S songs, (this week anyway) irrespresibly pop and irredeemably
melancholy respectiively...

Cheers, Ed
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From Ihamilt at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 19:23:55 1998
From: Ihamilt at xxx.com (Ihamilt at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:23:55 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Ouch!
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Allow me to make a few points

1. Bis - Im actually a big fan of shouting in pop - but only where it has some
kind of emotional resonance. I dont think this applies in songs by band whose
major emotional traumas appear to be when John Smiths run out of that Jad Fair
compilation that John Disco has been desperately seeking.

2. Uresei - Ive been unfortunate enough to see Uresei more than once - I first
saw them on some showcase thing with the Delgados and The Secret Goldfish a
few years back ( and what a thrilling night that was). I then had the
misfortune to see them supporting Pavement in Newcastle. The Sheffield thing i
only went to see Prolapse. i hung around , like the open minded chap i am, to
see if they had improved any.

They hadn't.

Oh and if you dont think class is important in pop, after the likes of Crispin
Mills, i think you're very much mistaken.

3. Arab Strap. Oh but i have tried to understand. And im  not against
"difficult" music. Just bad music.

4.Idlewild . Beleive me, its all true.

5. Punk - Im one of those misguided souls who thinks punk died circa 1977. I
shudder to think what your average punk audience would have made of poor wee
Steven.

6. BMX Bandits - You may classify Belle and Sebastian as twee wank for
students , but i certainly don't.

7. Secret Goldfish  - I did - it isnt . I think that belongs to lazy Line
painter jane , by some twee student band or other. 

8. The Delagados - The first time ive heard them mentioned in the same
sentence as Captain beefheart, and hopefully the last.

9. Mogwai - Didnt i say they can be excellent?

10. Work for the NME? me? After all the death threats i wrote over the last
Morrissey review? - perhaps not.

Cheers popkids


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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 19:27:39 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:27:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Natch
References: <35AF8FC2.61551FC2@jeepster.co.uk>
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david kitchen wrote:

> MONDAY 7th September 1998
>         London, Shepherd's Bush Empire (capacity 2000)
>
> which means that the london gig will coincide with the album release :)

Wahey wahoo wahee ! Four days after my birthday, 400 yards from my house.
I've got a list crush on the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. And if
any members of the band are feeling a bit grimey after the gig, I've just
had me bathroom done. Bloody huge bath, bloody big shower.Room for about six
at least, plus half a dozen spectators. I'll have the cherry vodka cooling
in the bog, natch.


oh joy,

Turt

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From jmurphy at xxx.Edu  Fri Jul 17 19:33:14 1998
From: jmurphy at xxx.Edu (Jessica Murphy)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:33:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: I'll play my "La la" shit for you anytime
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On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Reid Dossinger wrote:

> Then the next question is "Is it a tribute to the now-defunct D.C. band
> of the same name?  Or at least about them?"  Velocity Girl, to this day,
> is the best opening band I've ever seen (in 1993, opening for Belly).


I was wondering about a possible connection, too... 

In any case, their 1996 album "Gilded Stars and Zealous Hearts" is
definitely worth a listen.


jessica m




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From Funkyseb at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 19:50:48 1998
From: Funkyseb at xxx.com (Funkyseb at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:50:48 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Tape Trees
Message-ID: <8ede28b1.35af9d0a@aol.com>


Erm, can anyone help?
I desperately want to be in on this tape trees thing, but I can't get through
to Kevan on the address given ... help!
Anyone got any ideas? It's a communication failiure, apparently. Story of my
life...

Seb
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From vanessa.figueras at xxx.se  Fri Jul 17 20:20:41 1998
From: vanessa.figueras at xxx.se (Vanessa Figueras)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:20:41 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Re: morrissey
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oh i want to take him home i want to give him children and he might be my
girlfriend...

Ihamilt at aol.com wrote:

> i want to have Morrisseys children
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From itstrue at xxx.net  Fri Jul 17 20:48:26 1998
From: itstrue at xxx.net (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:48:26 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Extra articles
Message-ID: <35AFAA89.7C63@earthlink.net>


Ooh!  I've got an idea.  

I was just having a little poke around the fanclub site (is it the
official site now?) and I had a question for David (and for everyone
else who's interested too):  Would you want us to submit any articles
and reviews on B&S that we come across in our local newspapers,
magazines, etc?  I was just thinking that it might be interesting to
have other articles besides just the NME, MM, etc.  Because, for
instance, the writers in one of the weeklies in my town have had some
very nice things to say, and I'd be interested to read reviews and
articles from other parts of the world (that article that Jenny Toomey
wrote for Puncture would be a good addition).

Whaddya say, David?  Should we type up the articles we find, or would
that be a little too much extra strain on the site, not to mention the
site administrator?

With curious eyes,
    Reid
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From JMoorkens at xxx.ie  Fri Jul 17 21:07:14 1998
From: JMoorkens at xxx.ie (Josh Moorkens)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:07:14 +0100
Subject: Sinister: consider me admonished
Message-ID: <51EBF97B44A8D111B6650000F805734C104504@DUB_EXCHANGE_1>


Iain wrote:
>Fair enough you dont like Gold Blade - thats fine and dandy by me.
>But believe me my post was no attempt to bate people.
In that case, my apologies. It did seem like that to both me and Mr
Biondino.  I don't have much time for the bands you mentioned save for
arabstrap who, particularly on record, I enjoy greatly. Still no cause
for me to go slagging your tastes I spose.

>>Middle class Glaswegian tossers
Middle class as term of abuse, eh? On an indie mailing list?
>And can I just say fuck off to anyone who genuinely uses the term
>"middle class" as an insult. We're stuck with it, bucko.
Succinct.
Love to all.
joss
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From Funkyseb at xxx.com  Fri Jul 17 19:40:37 1998
From: Funkyseb at xxx.com (Funkyseb at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:40:37 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Melted Caramel Shortcake and Ice Cream
Message-ID: <b6de449.35af9aa6@aol.com>



 Bloody hell! I'm either going to have to unsub, or alternatively never leave
the house again. It's taken me 6 hours but I've finally got through the 26 odd
digests that confronted me when I got back from T in the park.
(I looked around for 'sinister' looking people there but the closest I got was
a woman saying  'ooh, Belle and Sebastian' on seeing my T-shirt. <sighs> And I
saw the same bands as Debbie and Roddd. I was asleep during Theaudience, mind,
in a smelly heap.)
Rod said:
''Just thank God I wasn't camping.''
AAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!
I stayed up all night in a leaky tent waiting for an early taxi to Glasgow,
covered in mud, sat between my best mate and his wee lassy, both of whom
wanted me to piss off so they could shag in the only dry coner of tent.And
when I got to Glasgow Airport, I wasn't allowed on the plane, because I was
(quote) ''covered in shit''

Next year, I stay in a  Hotel.
B&S content:
I absolutely totally swear I saw Stu M in the Grosvenor Cafe. I definitely
did. So don't tell me that he's abroad because I don't want to know. La la la
la I can't hear you...
Oh and Glasgow is a beautiful place, everyone seemed to be friendly, and
smiley all the time. Even if they did take the piss out of us Englishmen a
little bit. Every time I saw a bus to Easterhouse, I started singing Modern
Rock Song. It's a testament to the city that I didn't get my head kicked in...
   Thurston Moore LP, £1.99 in Fopp. God, I'm envious of you scots...

Seb


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From zulu at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 17 23:27:41 1998
From: zulu at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:27:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I'm back, ...but had you noticed I was gone?
Message-ID: <199807172216.XAA22269@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>


My naughty university won't let me use my e-mail from home any more, poo!
So this is me now, weehee!

colin.
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From suzsch at xxx.net  Sat Jul 18 00:33:19 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:33:19 -0500
Subject: Sinister: won't people understand?
Message-ID: <199807172335.SAA15509@smtp2.mailsrvcs.net>


> 
> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:58:08 +0100 (BST)
> From: Stuart Gardiner <skg21 at xxx.uk>
> Subject: Sinister: I love you all...
> 
> On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Suzanne Schroeder wrote:
> 
> > "If I had a million dollars I'd buy your love..."  It kept going on and
on
> > until I figured out "Hey, wait!  This is an actual song!"
> > 
> > I cringed my way through the rest of it and later discovered it was the
> > Barenaked Ladies!  They're Canadian!
> 
> Personally I quite like this song actually - although that's probably
just
> because it brings back memories of travelling over to Holland with a
> coach load of students for a korfball tournament, doing mass karaoke to
> it.
> 
> "If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a green dress;
>  But not a real green dress, that's cruel..."
> 
> Music shouldn't be taken seriously all the time...

That's not my problem with the friggin song, people!  I own They Might Be
Giants' "Flood" and that cheese kicks the ass of this cheese.  I hate it. 
right now, it's third on my music hate list:

1.  Matchbox 20's "I want to know what it's like to be the rainmaker" song

There are no words to describe how inane and shitty this song is.  I've
never telepathically sent death threats before to a song.   I hate it when
bands try to write crap lyrics like that trying to be incredibly deep when
they don't even know what in the hell they are talking about.  go ahead! 
Do it!  Ask them the next time what they mean by "I wonder what it's like
to be the rainmaker/ I wonder what it's like to make the rain" and they'll
stare at their shoes a while and look over at their manager for help.  The
music is incredibly plodding.  Go make Coca Cola Gen-X jingles, you losers!

2.  Semisonic's "closing Time"

"I know who I want to take me home" repeated over and over again.  then,
over and over again.  Only to be rewarded with the stupid end all "Go back
to the places you will be from"  Who in the hell wrote that?  Yoda?  "Go
home he will, yes?  Luke,  closing time has come and father will come, he
will...."

3.  Barenaked Ladies "If I had a million dollars."

It sounds like a commercial jingle and any song that sounds like a
commercial jingle must be killed.  It has created the greatest offense to
us all by not bothering to distinguish itself from crap music old men in
suits playing golf in their offices and thinking all 10 year olds
skateboard, wear a walkman 24 hours a day, and say that everything is
"Radical!"  imagine the 18-34 age bracket identify with and would happily
use in their next cat litter campaign!  It's even worse that they sound
exactly like studio singers you can hire and not credit on any given
release.

> I also think "The Boy With The Arab Strap" is a great name for the album,
> if only because it will confuse all the music journos who insist on
> writing about B&S as these twee, innocent, mother-loving types all the
> time...
>
They aren't pulling people's ying yang with that title, are they?  For them
to be obviously ripping off a band's name like that is a bit.....obvious..


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From SLamba at xxx.COM  Sat Jul 18 00:46:46 1998
From: SLamba at xxx.COM (Lamba, Sanjeet )
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:46:46 -0700
Subject: Sinister: won't people understand?
Message-ID: <422B07DB41D7D111B9AF00805F19B04CE8BDC1@SFNS01>


I don't know who went off about Semisonic and BareNaked Ladies and Matchbox
20 because the replies and previous messages made it confusing, but whoever
you are, you seem a bit high strung. I mean, I happen to agree with you on
all three of those songs, but so what? If I don't like it, I don't listen to
it. And if someone else does like it, fine with me. I'm not out to convert
them like some musical crusader. Just figure that plenty of folks out there
would listen to B&S and call it overly sensitive or not grand enough in its
messages (trust me, lots of Bob Dylan fans might think this). Who cares what
they think? That's why there's lists like this.

Anyway, with that, I unsubscribe. Only because this is my e-mail account at
work and I can't afford to have hundreds of messages, interesting as they
may be, clogging up the firm's memory space. It was an enjoyable 2 weeks
everyone.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Suzanne Schroeder [SMTP:suzsch at xxx.net]
> Sent:	Friday, July 17, 1998 4:33 PM
> To:	sinister at majordomo.net
> Subject:	Sinister: won't people understand?
> 
> 
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:58:08 +0100 (BST)
> > From: Stuart Gardiner <skg21 at xxx.uk>
> > Subject: Sinister: I love you all...
> > 
> > On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Suzanne Schroeder wrote:
> > 
> > > "If I had a million dollars I'd buy your love..."  It kept going on
> and
> on
> > > until I figured out "Hey, wait!  This is an actual song!"
> > > 
> > > I cringed my way through the rest of it and later discovered it was
> the
> > > Barenaked Ladies!  They're Canadian!
> > 
> > Personally I quite like this song actually - although that's probably
> just
> > because it brings back memories of travelling over to Holland with a
> > coach load of students for a korfball tournament, doing mass karaoke to
> > it.
> > 
> > "If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a green dress;
> >  But not a real green dress, that's cruel..."
> > 
> > Music shouldn't be taken seriously all the time...
> 
> That's not my problem with the friggin song, people!  I own They Might Be
> Giants' "Flood" and that cheese kicks the ass of this cheese.  I hate it. 
> right now, it's third on my music hate list:
> 
> 1.  Matchbox 20's "I want to know what it's like to be the rainmaker" song
> 
> There are no words to describe how inane and shitty this song is.  I've
> never telepathically sent death threats before to a song.   I hate it when
> bands try to write crap lyrics like that trying to be incredibly deep when
> they don't even know what in the hell they are talking about.  go ahead! 
> Do it!  Ask them the next time what they mean by "I wonder what it's like
> to be the rainmaker/ I wonder what it's like to make the rain" and they'll
> stare at their shoes a while and look over at their manager for help.  The
> music is incredibly plodding.  Go make Coca Cola Gen-X jingles, you
> losers!
> 
> 2.  Semisonic's "closing Time"
> 
> "I know who I want to take me home" repeated over and over again.  then,
> over and over again.  Only to be rewarded with the stupid end all "Go back
> to the places you will be from"  Who in the hell wrote that?  Yoda?  "Go
> home he will, yes?  Luke,  closing time has come and father will come, he
> will...."
> 
> 3.  Barenaked Ladies "If I had a million dollars."
> 
> It sounds like a commercial jingle and any song that sounds like a
> commercial jingle must be killed.  It has created the greatest offense to
> us all by not bothering to distinguish itself from crap music old men in
> suits playing golf in their offices and thinking all 10 year olds
> skateboard, wear a walkman 24 hours a day, and say that everything is
> "Radical!"  imagine the 18-34 age bracket identify with and would happily
> use in their next cat litter campaign!  It's even worse that they sound
> exactly like studio singers you can hire and not credit on any given
> release.
> 
> > I also think "The Boy With The Arab Strap" is a great name for the
> album,
> > if only because it will confuse all the music journos who insist on
> > writing about B&S as these twee, innocent, mother-loving types all the
> > time...
> >
> They aren't pulling people's ying yang with that title, are they?  For
> them
> to be obviously ripping off a band's name like that is a bit.....obvious..
> 
> 
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From muellerj at xxx.EDU  Sat Jul 18 01:51:13 1998
From: muellerj at xxx.EDU (Telepathic Traffic)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:51:13 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Sinister: help me find the door out
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I've tried unsubscribing several times. can someone tell me exactly what i
need to do cuz I never kept the mail that said how to.

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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Sat Jul 18 02:20:10 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:20:10 +0100
Subject: Sinister: won't people understand?
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Suzanne Schroeder wrote:

> > "If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a green dress;
> >  But not a real green dress, that's cruel..."
> >
> > Music shouldn't be taken seriously all the time...
>
> That's not my problem with the friggin song, people!  I own They Might Be
> Giants' "Flood" and that cheese kicks the ass of this cheese.  I hate it.
> right now, it's third on my music hate list:
>
> 3.  Barenaked Ladies "If I had a million dollars."
>
> It sounds like a commercial jingle and any song that sounds like a
> commercial jingle must be killed.  It has created the greatest offense to
> us all by not bothering to distinguish itself from crap music old men in
> suits playing golf in their offices and thinking all 10 year olds
> skateboard, wear a walkman 24 hours a day, and say that everything is
> "Radical!"  imagine the 18-34 age bracket identify with and would happily
> use in their next cat litter campaign!  It's even worse that they sound
> exactly like studio singers you can hire and not credit on any given
> release.

This whole discussion can be put down to initial exposure to the group, me
thinks. My first BNL tune was the splendidly wry and heartfelt 'Brian Wilson'
thus;
----------
Drove downtown in the rain, 9:30 on a Tuesday night
Just to check out the late night record shop
Call it impulsive, call it compulsive, call it insane
But when I'm surrounded I just can't stop

It's a matter of instinct, it's a matter of conditioning, a matter of fact
You can call me Pavlov's dog
Ring a bell and I'll salivate, well how'd you like that
Dr. Landy tell me you're not just a pedagogue, 'cause right now I'm

Lying in bed just like Brian Wilson did
----------

It's shit, but it rhymes with 'it'. I love 'it'. Guess what I'm saying is heard
this tune, kinda grew on me like a big plukey spot. From then on, I was *on
their side*.  Subsequent offerings were heard through Turkish Delight filled
ears. I'm sure if I'd have heard the 'advert song' first, Brian Wilson would
have pissed me right off. Along with everything else they did.
I really think this 'initial exposure' business explains a lot of the musical
differences that occur between what are, on the face of it, like-minded people.
Admitting to yourself that you made a mistake from the off can be a pretty big
step. Like 2.15 on a Saturday morning might seem like an ideal time to type a
hideous rictous grinned load of bollocks. But really, it's my frickin' bedtime.

regards,

Turt


Lenny Kravitz, initial exposure not withstanding, can just fucking die.
Seriously. I will kick him in the nuts.

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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 02:39:42 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:39:42 EDT
Subject: Sinister: one more reason for B&S to come to rhode island
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jonathan richman is doing is so why shouldnt they?


matt
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From mick at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 05:37:14 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:37:14 -0400
Subject: Sinister: I'll play my "La la" shit for you anytime
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Reid Dossinger wrote:
> Then the next question is "Is it a tribute to the now-defunct D.C. band
> of the same name?  Or at least about them?"  Velocity Girl, to this day,
> is the best opening band I've ever seen (in 1993, opening for Belly).

	I wrote Katrina with the same question in mind, after she told me it
was an original. I'd say, 9 chances out of 10 say it's about the band.
After all, who would write a song about a song, and give the tribute
song the same title as the original? What's more, I consider myself a
huge Velocity Girl fan. I've got just about everything they ever
released, and even a video of one of their last performances. My first
ever mailing list was the Velocity Girl mailing list, and it was there
that I first heard about a band called the Field Mice. Anyway the point
is that I adore the band, and it was several years before I found out
they'd named themselves after a brilliant Primal Scream song. Of course,
Salako being from the UK & all, might have had more of a chance of
having the C86 tape, and they'd have a bigger chance of having heard
Velocity Girl. Personally I'd rather not know, I want to find out when
the album comes out. Some of you Americans *BETTER* put some Salako on
those tape trees, or you'll go straight to hipster H-E double hockey
sticks! Now that I mention that someone might want to put some Snow
Patrol on theirs as well. Pretty please. With a cherry on top. Drenched
in cherry Coke. And not the kind that comes in cans, the real cherry
Coke with Coke and cherry syrup. I had a great one today...but I should
digress...
 
Jessica M e-scribbles:
> In any case, their 1996 album "Gilded Stars and Zealous Hearts" is
> definitely worth a listen.

	Worth several listens. I would say that Simpatico is worth a lifetime
of listens! At least as many as IYFS, in my book. US listees should
expect a Velocity Girl song from me on your mixtapes. I'll probably pick
something obscure, sure, but I'll put something on there. Maybe that
wonderful Beat Happening cover they did...
I wish I had a decent copy of "Velocity Girl" to tape, but mine's on a
mixtape. I'll put something by the Primals on there. Definately
something not recent too, as I don't much care for anything they've done
recently.
	Excuse me? Did you say this was the *Belle & Sebastian* list? Oh
dear... I've gone and done it now.

	Hoping no one opens a can of whoopass in his general direction,
 
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From suzsch at xxx.net  Sat Jul 18 06:37:33 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:37:33 -0500
Subject: Sinister: People won't accept....
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> 
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:46:46 -0700
> From: "Lamba, Sanjeet " <SLamba at xxx.COM>
> Subject: RE: Sinister: won't people understand?
> 
> I don't know who went off about Semisonic and BareNaked Ladies and
Matchbox
> 20 because the replies and previous messages made it confusing, but
whoever
> you are, you seem a bit high strung. I mean, I happen to agree with you
on
> all three of those songs, but so what? If I don't like it, I don't listen
to
> it. And if someone else does like it, fine with me. I'm not out to
convert
> them like some musical crusader. Just figure that plenty of folks out
there
> would listen to B&S and call it overly sensitive or not grand enough in
its
> messages (trust me, lots of Bob Dylan fans might think this). Who cares
what
> they think? That's why there's lists like this.

What's the matter with being imbittered at songs that take 4 minutes out of
your life?  Look.  I had just come back from a boring day at work and that
was all I found on the dial when I was stuck in traffic.  also, this is
pretty much an off-topic discussion, so I don't see your problem with me
putting it here.  Do I need a story about a Newt or my favorite Dostoevsky
novel to comply?


> 
> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:20:10 +0100
> From: Ian Turton <buffalo at xxx.uk>
> Subject: Re: Sinister: won't people understand?
> This whole discussion can be put down to initial exposure to the group,
me
> thinks. My first BNL tune was the splendidly wry and heartfelt 'Brian
Wilson'
> thus;
> - ----------
> Drove downtown in the rain, 9:30 on a Tuesday night
> Just to check out the late night record shop
> Call it impulsive, call it compulsive, call it insane
> But when I'm surrounded I just can't stop
> 
> It's a matter of instinct, it's a matter of conditioning, a matter of
fact
> You can call me Pavlov's dog
> Ring a bell and I'll salivate, well how'd you like that
> Dr. Landy tell me you're not just a pedagogue, 'cause right now I'm
> 
> Lying in bed just like Brian Wilson did
> - ----------
> 
> It's shit, but it rhymes with 'it'. I love 'it'. Guess what I'm saying is
heard
> this tune, kinda grew on me like a big plukey spot. From then on, I was
*on
> their side*.  

Oh, so this is like the movie Pod People?  Am I going to find a huge
caccoon in the living room growing my replicant to replace me so I will be
on "their" side?  Damn.  I'm not sleeping tonight, then. 

It's not a lyrical thing.  I rarely listen to a song because the lyrics say
anything to me.  I go for the sound first off.  I rarely hate songs from
the first, too.  I'm just sort of mediocre state most of the time, and
sometimes it hooks me right from the split second like B&S.  The Semisonic
song and Matchbox 20 pissed me off from the start, and let me tell you
something......I only claim that once every 2 years, and its weird that I
have 3 songs that are on my search and destroy list in such a short period
of time.  

> Lenny Kravitz, initial exposure not withstanding, can just fucking die.
> Seriously. I will kick him in the nuts.

My top 10 list of artists who should give it up and go home:

1. Boyzone
2.  Rod Stewart
3.  Bryan Adams
4.  Sting
5.  goo Goo Dolls
6. Bon Jovi
7.  Matchbox 20
8. Any band who has appeared on the Jenny Jones show
9.  Ace of Base
10.  Verve Pipe

Top 10 bands people delude themselves into thinking they have a chance of
reforming or recapturing the old days:

1.  The smiths
2.  The Beatles
3.  Rolling Stones
4.  Van Halen with David Lee Roth
5.  The Eagles
6.  Culture Club
7.  Lou Reed and Velver Underground
8.  Stone Roses
9.  Bob Dylan
10.  Simply Red (only bottom of the list because Mike Hucknall is the only
person who cared).

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From suzsch at xxx.net  Sat Jul 18 06:49:42 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:49:42 -0500
Subject: Sinister: this is the last (possibly) list, I swear!
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Top 10 battle of the bands:

1.  Boyzone vs. Spice Girls
2.  Suede vs.  London Suede
3.  Manic Street Preachers vs. Thelonious Monk
4.  Patti Smith vs. Patty Smythe
5.  Pee Shy vs.  Oasis
6.  Bryan Adams vs. 18 Wheeler, The Cars, and Airplane (hopefully Adams
won't stand a chance)
7.  Barenaked Ladies vs. oasis
8.  Arab Strap, Lenny Kravitz vs.  Natalie Imbruglia's backside
9.  Super Furry Animals vs.  Paula Cole's furry arm pits
10  The Sundays vs. Happy Mondays
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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 10:20:12 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:20:12 +0100
Subject: Sinister: squashed tomatos and stew
Message-ID: <E0yxTBO-0003js-00@tungsten.btinternet.com>


altogether now, sinister peeps, after 3;
1-2-3...

Happy birthday to you!
Happy birthday to you!
Happy birthday to jon g!
Happy birthday to youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

sorry 'bout the crap singing but, y'know...

now think of all the non-exciting things you can do that you couldn't do
yesterday. hmmmm.

love,
debbie x
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Sat Jul 18 11:11:39 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:11:39 +0100 (BST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980718111024.8543A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>


happy birthday jon g. 

espadrille

(not much going on at the moment is there. hi debbie.)

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From gary at xxx.uk  Sat Jul 18 12:03:59 1998
From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:03:59 +0100
Subject: Sinister: RE: sinister-digest V2 #254
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> > Four lads who shook the Wirral.
> >
> Are you half man or half biscuit?  Just checking ;)

Hmm, a bit of both, being a ginge, i'd say i'm half man and half one of
those ginger nut things. 87)

Gary

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From jon.g at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 12:39:45 1998
From: jon.g at xxx.com (jon g.)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:39:45 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Oh, I love you all!
Message-ID: <01bdb240$c2e23e60$LocalHost@dell>


Thanks for the birthday messages.

I got loads of Beatles records to dance to.  They're great.

bethey and I celebrated my birthday yesterday and watched a Hard Day's
Night, The Magical Mystery Tour and That Sinking Feeling, before going to
see Grease at the cinema.  It was great.  We ate popcorn and everything.

Anyway, wouldn't it be great if B&S made their own film, a la Hard Day's
Night.  I think it's a great idea.

And isn't it exciting about the gig dates.  Ho ho ho.  The Leeds and
Nottingham gigs are obviously arranged so that I can go to both.  Is that
selfish?

Anyway, I'll go now.

lots of love,
jon g. [having a great birthday and just about to apply for a switch card]
jon.g at btinternet.com - http://surf.to/jongandbethey


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From alerche at xxx.net  Sat Jul 18 13:02:02 1998
From: alerche at xxx.net (Andre Vieira)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:02:02 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Looking for hosts during the UK dates
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980718140202.006dae3c@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net>


>FRIDAY 4th September 1998
>        Leeds, Variety Theatre (capacity 500)
>
>SATURDAY 5th September 1998
>        Nottingham, Marcus Garvey Centre (capacity 800)
>
>MONDAY 7th September 1998
>        London, Shepherd's Bush Empire (capacity 2000)

Yyyeeeessss!!!  Now I just have to decide which date (or dates) will I go
to.  Leeds and Nottingham sound cosier, although the London gig will take
place after the album comes out, which means I'd have the whole day to
listen to it and memorize the lyrics.  All I know is I *have* to see B&S
live *at least* three times this summer.  But it might be a bit too
impulsive to choose these three before David & Katrina confirm all dates.  

I was also wandering if anyone in Leeds, Nottingham or London would be kind
enough to let me stay over their house for a night or two, just so that I
could cut down the expenses of the trip.  I don't take up much room, have
my own sleeping bag and, unlike Stuart M, I could even do your dishes.  I
also know some pretty good penis jokes, although none of them are about
arab straps.

Andre.

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it is right in their hands but they rush off erecting big abstract
constructions."
- Mardou Fox
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Sat Jul 18 11:37:28 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:37:28 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Not Agadoo, at least that's something.
Message-ID: <3FNo+BAorHs1Ewau@elsato97.demon.co.uk>


HUMPH!

I am now on the digest - which takes 3 minutes to come through. Argh.
And also, it doesn't cut out all the &nsp&nsp;nsop repeat FOREVER
shit...

OH YEY! I've just read on and Gary has a half crush on me back (whats so
wrong about me front? heheh)....aaaw you sweetie :) *smooch* (well I did
promise didn't I!)

mmm....Safety Dance....

PJ and Duncan Miller? My kate...Shetland ponies....wot?

I want more list crushes.

Shoegazing, hey hey! Here we have something AGAIN that I do not
understand and furthermore do not wish to "rediscover". I may be
biaseddue to the fact that since those Manic Street Sweepers have been
my fave band in the world ever maybe, I have been reading quotes like
"We hate Slowdive more than Hitler".... but then again, I have never
heard "Slowdive", "Moose"...I've heard Lush... but I must say I LOVE the
Mark and lard version of Single Bloke much more than Single Gurrl...

Has anyone seen the advert for a certain cereal?
"I'm the sugar puff daddy"....
genuis!

Prince - HALF pint size twat.

<<ticket prices should be between =A38 and =A310 for these dates ...
again, we'll confirm this next week!>>

DAVID!!! WHAT!!!!!! I hope you don't mean 38 quid. 
OK, I can get to Leeds. That's my 1st day back at college...buggered!!!!
OK, help me justify this to my parents...OH SOD IT it only takes an hour
to get to Leeds from Preston I can go straight after college! I think! I
hope! SHIT, this costs money I need a job.

STUFF THAT - what can I sell? 

Sinisterettes/ines/HoneyDrones/YOU LOT - soon I shall be selling
everything. I shall keep you updated. Argh. HELP.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From jossleag at xxx.ie  Sat Jul 18 13:07:54 1998
From: jossleag at xxx.ie (Joss & Leagues)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:07:54 +0100
Subject: Sinister: this
Message-ID: <v01530500630b6705894c@[194.125.11.173]>


>cane 141 - scene from 6am
>*northern irish band that reputedly sound a little like belle & seb*


>Oh My God !
>Another band "that reputedly sound a little like Belle & Sebastian".
>I don't believe anymore

Cane 141 are actually from Galway which is in the West of the Republic of
Ireland, not Northern Ireland. They're good. The sound as if they've been
quite heavily influenced by The Go-Betweens or maybe Microdisney, but not
particularly Belle and Sebastian.

____________________________________________________________
Fin


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From jlphilli at xxx.edu  Sat Jul 18 15:22:48 1998
From: jlphilli at xxx.edu (jennifer)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:22:48 -0500
Subject: Sinister: go to the library NOW!
Message-ID: <199807181425.JAA28298@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>


hello lovelies.

the craziest thing happened the other day at work.  let me give you some
background information first:  i work at the public library in Madison WI.
i put books on shelves and take them off again.  it's quite unfulfilling,
but we get to listen to cds that the library owns, which to some might sound
like a frightening prospect ("Cats" anyone?  how about Celine
Dion?)........but the other day was absolutely insane!  There must be a very
hip acquisitions librarian in the system, cause i open up a box, and what's
lying on top, yes you guessed it....SINISTER!!!!!  and it was on hold for
some wonderful patron who i instantly wished to befriend.  Not to mention
that the same day we got the 6ths and Future Bible Heroes.  Some librarian
fancies Mr. Merritt.  I'm not sure how i feel about this new development,
though.  i would hate to think of some horrible person checking out our
lovely Belle and Sebastian at the library, taking it home, allowing his
slobbery dog to romp all over the cd while it sits on a carpet littered with
doritos (tm) and used tissues, and then not turning it in on time.  Such
violations cannot be tolerated.

Off to register for library school,
jennifer

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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Sat Jul 18 06:37:48 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 06:37:48 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V2 #259
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> Then the next question is "Is it a tribute to the now-defunct D.C. band
> of the same name?  Or at least about them?"  Velocity Girl, to this day,
> is the best opening band I've ever seen (in 1993, opening for Belly).

 Oooh yes! And the first album came on that lovely purple yoghurt-y
vinyl. Mmmmmmmmm.

 StayLuckyRoryxx
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From james at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 17:26:12 1998
From: james at xxx.com (James Errington)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:26:12 +0100
Subject: Sinister:10 Crap but "credible" Scottish Bands
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Iain's 10 Crap but "credible" Scottish Bands was a rather unpleasant and 
negative chart, wasn't it. Here's a pleasant one:

Top ten french films

10	Germinal
9	La Lectrice
8	Manon Des Source
7	Ridicule
6	Jean De Florette
5	Jules Et Jim
4	Les Valeuses
3	Les Amants
2	L'Appartement
1	Zazie Dans Le Metro

	Bonsoir mon nouveu ami!
				Le WeeJay

WeeJay - Manipulating you illicitly since 1979
james at twopounds.u-net.com
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From HobieS at xxx.net  Sat Jul 18 18:45:20 1998
From: HobieS at xxx.net (Hobie Shackford)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:45:20 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Not Agadoo, at least that's something.
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Sarah wrote:

<<ticket prices should be between =A38 and =A310 for these dates ...

> again, we'll confirm this next week!>>
>
> DAVID!!! WHAT!!!!!! I hope you don't mean 38 quid.
> OK, I can get to Leeds. That's my 1st day back at college...buggered!!!!
> OK, help me justify this to my parents...OH SOD IT it only takes an hour
> to get to Leeds from Preston I can go straight after college! I think! I
> hope! SHIT, this costs money I need a job.
>
> STUFF THAT - what can I sell?
>

hehehe don't worry silly...
it's only 8-10 quid...
your digest probably couldn't translate =A3 into the pound sign
...or something...

~darling
happy that sarah won't have to sell her stuff now :)


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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 18:57:38 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:57:38 +0100
Subject: Sinister: bow down to the power of the axe!
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boo. i can't go to any of the gigs. there aren't any decent bands playing
here. not that it would matter if there was, cus the last bus home to where
i live is at about 10pm. grrrr.

am trying to work out how to get to Dundee and back so i can see the Manic
Street Cleaners. not much chance, though.

i just got home from seeing 'Don't Look Back' (like dylan in the
mmooooovieeees). it was v. good. and funny. hehehe.

ok, so now i have a new challenge... now that everyone now knows that
'espadrille' is indeed a boy, we now have to guess what his real name is.
I'll start; Andrew? Alasdair? Angus? Amadeus? Am i close? c'mon...

debbie x
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From james at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 19:27:15 1998
From: james at xxx.com (James Errington)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:27:15 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sinister Re:Ouch!
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A boy surely nice at heart, but polluted by some unknown evil wrote:

> 1. Bis - Im actually a big fan of shouting in pop - but only where it has some
> kind of emotional resonance. I dont think this applies in songs by band whose
> major emotional traumas appear to be when John Smiths run out of that Jad
> Fair compilation that John Disco has been desperately seeking.
If you cant understand them now, maybe you never will - but I like the sugar
rush.
> 2. Uresei - Ive been unfortunate enough to see Uresei more than once - I first
> saw them on some showcase thing with the Delgados and The Secret 
> Goldfish a few years back ( and what a thrilling night that was). I then had 
> the misfortune to see them supporting Pavement in Newcastle. The Sheffield
> thing i only went to see Prolapse. i hung around , like the open minded chap
> i am, to see if they had improved any.
> They hadn't.
Look, I dont like the tindersticks. at all. But nobody cares, so I dont go on
about it.
> Oh and if you dont think class is important in pop, after the likes of Crispin
> Mills, i think you're very much mistaken.
Look, Crispin may be a right wing mysoginyst with stupid 'mystical' theories,
but this is not because he is upper class, but because he is a twat. Sorry to
point this out, but deciding a social group is absolutely incapable of art is, in
a quite literal way, fascist.
> 3. Arab Strap. Oh but i have tried to understand. And im  not against
> "difficult" music. Just bad music.
Arab strap are the Yin to B&S's Yang (or vice versa). 'Deeper' is the most
unspeakably sad song I've ever heard.
> 4.Idlewild . Beleive me, its all true.
My friend Adam took his posh girlfriend Charlieto see Idlewild, and they scared
her. That's more than enough for me.
> 5. Punk - Im one of those misguided souls who thinks punk died circa 1977. I
> shudder to think what your average punk audience would have made of poor
> wee Steven.
Died 1977? Hmmn... my point is made.
> 6. BMX Bandits - You may classify Belle and Sebastian as twee wank for
> students , but i certainly don't.
Yeah, twist my words why dont you.....
> 7. Secret Goldfish  - I did - it isnt . I think that belongs to lazy Line
> painter jane , by some twee student band or other. 
ooooh, handbags at ten paces. Well, I like it and I dont care.
> 8. The Delagados - The first time ive heard them mentioned in the same
> sentence as Captain beefheart, and hopefully the last.
Who rattled your cage?
> 9. Mogwai - Didnt i say they can be excellent?
No.
> 10. Work for the NME? me? After all the death threats i wrote over the last
> Morrissey review? - perhaps not.
don't you know - death threats are the standard applications to the NME now 
darling. Don't tell me you were unaware of this....?

		Ranting on forever,
				WeeJay XXX

WeeJay - Manipulating you illicitly since 1979
james at twopounds.u-net.com
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From Ihamilt at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 19:43:01 1998
From: Ihamilt at xxx.com (Ihamilt at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:43:01 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Sinister Re:Ouch!
Message-ID: <30dbb3fc.35b0ecb6@aol.com>


Im not going to respond to this as i know these wee discussions can get
terribly boring for everyone else concerned. What i would say though, its
sometimes nice to have a debate without resorting to personal abuse of the
parties concerned eg some excuse for a human being.

oh and by the way, i think travis are despicable too - AC Accoustics and Magoo
are class though


iain

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From JChumley3 at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 19:51:35 1998
From: JChumley3 at xxx.com (JChumley3 at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:51:35 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Modern Rock Song EP
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Hello.  I am new to the list, so I apologize if this is an inane question for
you, but whatever happened to the "Modern Rock Song" EP that I heard about?
Did it get scrapped entirely?

Thanks for helping a new fan,

Jeremy
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Sat Jul 18 20:13:12 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:13:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister:10 Crap but "credible" Scottish Bands
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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, James Errington wrote:

> 
> Top ten french films
> 
> 10	Germinal
> 9	La Lectrice
> 8	Manon Des Source
> 7	Ridicule
> 6	Jean De Florette
> 5	Jules Et Jim
> 4	Les Valeuses
> 3	Les Amants
> 2	L'Appartement
> 1	Zazie Dans Le Metro
> 
> 	Bonsoir mon nouveu ami!
> 				Le WeeJay

fair enough (i've only seen four of these, so i can't comment on the
others), but what about bunuel's french films, or the magnificent 'les
parapluies de chernourg', or anything else (bar 'manon') featuring
emmanuelle beart. i think i'd add 'j'embrasse pas', and 'belle du jour'
for starters.

espadrille


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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Sat Jul 18 20:15:50 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:15:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Re: hey! they're all talking about me again!
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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, debbie wrote:

> 
> ok, so now i have a new challenge... now that everyone now knows that
> 'espadrille' is indeed a boy

and thanks for keeping schtum on that one, sweetie, to leave me to blow my
androgyny myself by referring to 'his thesis'...

, we now have to guess what his real name is.
> I'll start; Andrew? Alasdair? Angus? Amadeus? Am i close? c'mon...

it's one of the above, tho you haven't got the spelling right (which of
course narrows it down)
> 
yes. obviously it's amedeus.

esp

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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 20:24:00 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:24:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: you can pin him and mount him like a butterfly
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morrissey and marr were both equally fantastic. the Smiths could never have
happened without either of them. of course, that is obvious, but you know
what i mean- when johnny left it all fell apart, loads of bands could have,
and did, replace their band members, but it wouldn't have worked with the
Smiths. besides, i doubt many other people could have put up with morrissey
for so long, even though he is a honey.

i was very disappointed with Electronic, though. I mean, if it were other
people in the band, i would have been quite impressed, i suppose, but i
would have expected more from two great talents such as bernard sumner and
johnny marr. maybe i have too high expectations of the two, but from them
average is no where near good enough.

now, Bernard Butler, however, is absolutely amazing. He can do no wrong, in
my eyes, and Suede are a bit pish without him. ha. besides, everyone knows
that guitars are the sexiest things in the world. *and* he has a ROCK
hairstyle to go with it. mmmmm.

debbie x
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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 20:35:32 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:35:32 +0100
Subject: Sinister: french films
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i don't know what the French title was (and probably couldn't spell it if i
did), but 'A Self Made Hero' was one of the best films i have ever seen.
has anyone else seen this? It was soooo good, about a man who makles up a
whole new identity for himself, turning himself into a big war hero or
something... i dunno, i can never remember the plots of films properly.

i finally got round to seeing 'The Ice Storm' last week, which was
fantastic. I couldn't stop crying at the end. It was so sad. I've been
going to see a lot of films lately for some reason. Does anyone know if i
should bother going to see 'Kurt & Courtney' or not? I kinda don't want to
cus Courtney was so against the film and i love her... but i'm obsessed
with documentaries/biographies about bands etc just now, so...

debbie x
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Sat Jul 18 20:41:04 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:41:04 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Re: leave poor bernard alone. you've got his guitar, what more do , you want?
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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, debbie wrote:

> i was very disappointed with Electronic, though. I mean, if it were other
> people in the band, i would have been quite impressed, i suppose, but i
> would have expected more from two great talents such as bernard sumner and
> johnny marr. 

was bernard really a talent, tho? he could hardly sing (tho this did in
itslef lead to some moments of genius, i'll admit), could definitely not
write lyrics (ooh you've got blue eyes, oooh you've got green eyes,
ooh you've got red eyes. - when a single black eye would have done the
job...), and slagged off joy division at every opportunity...

> 
> now, Bernard Butler, however, is absolutely amazing. He can do no wrong, in
> my eyes, and Suede are a bit pish without him. 

well that's true at least.

ha. besides, everyone knows
> that guitars are the sexiest things in the world.

and bernard's guitars are even sexier, aren't they debbie. come on, admit
it. we know you did it.

 *and* he has a ROCK
> hairstyle to go with it. mmmmm.

hmmm..

espadrille
> 

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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 21:43:37 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:43:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: leave poor bernard alone. you've got his guitar, what more do , you want?
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"amadeus" wrote:
> and bernard's guitars are even sexier, aren't they debbie. come on, admit
> it. we know you did it.

i wish i did have his guitar. it was a lovely 12 string one. I've got
photos of it on my wall. I've been stalking it. it WILL be mine.
Ahahahahahahaha *evil cackle*
i've also been keeping a note on how bernie's spot is doing. he's got a
huge one on his nose- its been there for over a month now. not that i'm
obsessed or anything, honest guv'.

debbie


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From tangent at xxx.net  Sat Jul 18 22:28:56 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:28:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sinister Re:Ouch!
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Ihamilt at aol.com wrote:
> Im not going to respond to this 

but i am, not that anyone will notice

> oh and by the way, i think travis are despicable too - AC Accoustics and Magoo
> are class though

but class of what? class of dull quite possibly. i have an ac acoustics
blue 7" that is pish. anyone want it? give me a snog and it's yours.
(offer limited to those i want to be snogged by - miller, that doesn't
mean you.)

bored and pissed

the duke

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From tangent at xxx.net  Sat Jul 18 22:42:01 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:42:01 +0100
Subject: Sinister: you can pin him and mount him like a butterfly
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morrissey and marr were both equally pish. the Smiths could never have
happened without either of them, but unfortunately they did. of course,
that is obvious, but you know what i mean - when johnny started being
keef richards it all fell apart. loads of bands could have,and did,
replace their managers, but it never worked with the Smiths. besides, i
doubt many other people could have put up with morrissey for so long,
even though he is a talentless tosser.
 
i was very disappointed with Electronic Renaissance, though. I mean, if
it were other people on the record, i would have been quite impressed, i
suppose, but i would have expected more from two great talents. bernard
sumner and johnny marr? what a couple of overrated wankers. maybe i have
too low expectations of the two, but even from them crap is no where
near crap enough.
 
now, Bernard Butler, however, is absolutely pish, squared. He can do
nothing but wrong, in my eyes, and Suede were always a bit pish, with or
without him. ha. besides, everyone knows that guitars are the most
dreadfully dull things in the world. *and* he has a ROCK hairstyle to go
with it. need i say more?


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From tangent at xxx.net  Sat Jul 18 22:47:41 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:47:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: is the duke arrogant?
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question as in the subject line. he's a bit concerned at people's
opinions recently... that's the reason for all the caffrey's tonight...

the duchess says that 'love is a sign' is the best song ever.
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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 23:02:05 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:02:05 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 10 Crap but "credible" Scottish Bands
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well, i've never been any good at explaining what it is i like about bands,
so as usual it has all deteriorated into haircuts, beards and funny names,
ah well...

Urusei Yatsura - are ace. have seen them several times live and can't see
what you hate about them. 'Big tall guy' Fergus has a class haircut and is
a honey. except from when he hit me on the head with a mic stand. but
that's just what i think... 

Arab Strap - ok, so they are a bit overrated, i'll give you that. but some
of their stuff is pretty class, after it gets going. although they do have
beards. which is crap.

 Idlewild - haven't seen them live, but on record they are great and shouty
and loud and make great jump-up-and-down-and-be-sick to records. and they
have funny names. Roddy Woomble hehehe.

BMX Bandits - Are you sure they are actually 'credible'? i've yet to meet
someone who likes the BMX Bandits. They seem to be 'famous' (and i use the
term loosely) only for knowing Teenage Fanclub and for Duglas being
Radcliffe's Scottish correspondant for a while. The only song i remember of
theirs is that one a couple of years ago where he sounds exactly like
kermit the frog. it was quite nice, actually...

The Secret Goldfish - their cover of 'Come As You Are' was GORGEOUS. I
think they're lovely. And Graham Lironi's book 'The Bowels of Christ' is
dead good. everyone should read it. NOW!

Mogwai - Sonic Youth aren't irritating. they're class. as are Mogwai. Tho i
still haven't heard the new single. Ah well.

Bis- yeah, you're right. they're shite.

debbie x

ps: though they all pale into insignificance compared to the might of
BERNARD BUTLER. but you already knew that...

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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 23:05:08 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:05:08 +0100
Subject: Sinister: is the duke arrogant?
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YES.


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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 23:07:27 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:07:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: you can pin him and mount him like a butterfly
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ha bloody ha.

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> From: duke of harringay <tangent at xxx.net>
> To: sinister at majordomo.net
> Subject: Re: Sinister: you can pin him and mount him like a butterfly
> Date: 18 July 1998 22:42
> 
> 
> morrissey and marr were both equally pish. the Smiths could never have
> happened without either of them, but unfortunately they did. of course,
> that is obvious, but you know what i mean - when johnny started being
> keef richards it all fell apart. loads of bands could have,and did,
> replace their managers, but it never worked with the Smiths. besides, i
> doubt many other people could have put up with morrissey for so long,
> even though he is a talentless tosser.
>  
> i was very disappointed with Electronic Renaissance, though. I mean, if
> it were other people on the record, i would have been quite impressed, i
> suppose, but i would have expected more from two great talents. bernard
> sumner and johnny marr? what a couple of overrated wankers. maybe i have
> too low expectations of the two, but even from them crap is no where
> near crap enough.
>  
> now, Bernard Butler, however, is absolutely pish, squared. He can do
> nothing but wrong, in my eyes, and Suede were always a bit pish, with or
> without him. ha. besides, everyone knows that guitars are the most
> dreadfully dull things in the world. *and* he has a ROCK hairstyle to go
> with it. need i say more?
> 
> 
> the duke
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From Ihamilt at xxx.com  Sat Jul 18 23:31:17 1998
From: Ihamilt at xxx.com (Ihamilt at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:31:17 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Sinister Re:Ouch!
Message-ID: <a10e777c.35b12236@aol.com>



the duke wrote

Ihamilt at aol.com wrote:
> Im not going to respond to this 

but i am, not that anyone will notice

Duke - I actually meant i didn't want to turn it into some kind of personal
salgging match. I have better things to do with my time - Ill let you know whn
i can think of what they are

iain
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From EmitEcaps at xxx.com  Sun Jul 19 05:16:23 1998
From: EmitEcaps at xxx.com (EmitEcaps at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:16:23 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Re: morrissey
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I really think the Moz slagging is unnecessary.  If you like him fine.  If
not, also fine.  Too much negative makes the list go sour.  
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From tangent at xxx.net  Sun Jul 19 09:32:34 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:32:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sinister Re:Ouch!
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Ihamilt at aol.com wrote:
> 
> the duke wrote
> 
> Ihamilt at aol.com wrote:
> > Im not going to respond to this
> 
> but i am, not that anyone will notice
> 
> Duke - I actually meant i didn't want to turn it into some kind of personal
> salgging match. I have better things to do with my time - Ill let you know whn
> i can think of what they are

erk, it wasn't meant like that at all, at all... i just meant i am going
to respond because, well, obviously i was responding. and i do have a
blue ac acoustics single that anyone who doesn't, like me, think is
pish, is welcome to. for a snog. possibly.

hungover, hungry and lovesick. or at least crushsick and listening to
felt again.

the duke
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From Ihamilt at xxx.com  Sun Jul 19 09:40:11 1998
From: Ihamilt at xxx.com (Ihamilt at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:40:11 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Sinister Re:Ouch!
Message-ID: <4061ece5.35b1b0ec@aol.com>


Apologies Duke,

i was perhaps a little quick off the mark. im feeling alittle oversensitive
att he moment - can we jsut blame it on the flu?

Iain
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From cires at xxx.uk  Sun Jul 19 11:04:47 1998
From: cires at xxx.uk (Cires)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:04:47 -0000
Subject: Sinister: First (past the) Posts
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Hi People,

>> 4) The Price I Pay Billy Bragg.  Okay, this is a song about love
>> lost but I LOVE to sing it at the top of my lungs (regardless of the
>> fact I cant carry a tune) and a lovely sentiment at that.
>
>'Must I Paint You A Picture' by BB seems to floor most of the girls I
>play it to. 

One of my fave BB songs. He can do no wrong as far as I'm concerned. :-)

bye

Now Playing : Frank Black - Los Angeles

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From rod at xxx.com  Sun Jul 19 00:21:08 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:21:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: 10 Crap but "credible" Scottish Bands
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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, debbie wrote:

> BMX Bandits - Are you sure they are actually 'credible'?

Don't think they've *ever* been considered credible by anyone other than
Alan McGee!

> i've yet to meet
> someone who likes the BMX Bandits.

<ahem>

Duglas T Stewart is one of the most entertaining blokes in P!O!P!  Find a
copy of "Kylie's Got A Crush On Us" and see why!  I saw them last year in
Cas Rock (supported by The Secret Goldfish) and grinned inanely for the
entire time they were on stage - especially during the completely
unnecessary encore cover version of the theme to the snooker!

Rod.

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| Now I wish I'd been more specific

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From rod at xxx.com  Sun Jul 19 00:21:23 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:21:23 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: The Duke, Esp & Debbie Show
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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, duke of harringay wrote:

> i have an ac acoustics
> blue 7" that is pish. anyone want it?

One of the first gigs I went to in Edinburgh was an AC Acoustics &
Senseless Things double header type doobry.  I went because the girl I was
with at the time had a "thing" for Mark Keds of the STs.  The STs were on
first, and once they were over, we had a dilemma.  Go home, and then find
out the next day that the AC Acoustics were the best band ever, EVER!, or
stay and discover that they were crap of the highest order.

We stayed.

They were rubbish.

Someone in the audience shouted out "Where the fuck are the Senseless
Things?  You're SHITE!"

That became our catchphrase to shout out at concerts for the next year!

Rod.

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From tlh20 at xxx.uk  Sun Jul 19 12:06:00 1998
From: tlh20 at xxx.uk (Tim Harris)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:06:00 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: french films
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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, debbie wrote:

> i don't know what the French title was (and probably couldn't spell it if i
> did), but 'A Self Made Hero' was one of the best films i have ever seen.
> has anyone else seen this?

Yes!!! "Un héros très discret" -- does anyone know what the French title
means though, since "très discret" doesn't really sound like it'll be the
same as "self made".  I saw it a few years ago and can't really rememember
much of the plot either, I think it started with one cool bit where he's
overheard someone asking at a newspaper kiosk for "the lieutenant's
papers" and the next day he asks a small child at the place he's staying
in to go and fetch him "the lietenant's papers" (so that he won't have to
pay for them) and everyone starts thinking that he really is a famous army
bod.

"Three colours: blue" is another one I'd have in my top 10.

cheers,

tim

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From paiku at xxx.com  Sun Jul 19 18:52:29 1998
From: paiku at xxx.com (jubilee ?)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:52:29 PDT
Subject: Sinister: you people are super, canada, #sinister, i make plastic plants.
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hello uhm, you.

I promised myself i would get through the 900 and something e-mails i 
had from this list before i allowed myself to send anything.  Of course 
that means that i didn't read yours unless you made an interesting 
topic.  And if you all go by the same indication then no one is reading 
this, hoohaw :D  And of course there were so many things that i wanted 
to give my $0.02 on, but now i forget most of them.
    Canadian music.  or right, that was one of them.  See the thing that 
most people don't realise is that inch for inch, and pound for pound, we 
have an equal amount of quality as any other of you countries, and on 
the reverse, we also have a par amount of tosh.  You have to consider 
the population.  There are far more people in the usa and in the uk then 
in canada.  I do however see how you could think that canada produces 
nothing but rubbish because I'm in the bloody country and it's quite 
difficult to find quality, even though it's very much there.  You have 
to take chances and listen to people that tell you 'hey, they're pretty 
decent.'  It's also much harder to make it in canadian music, the 
distributors and record labels are fewer and fa between compared to the 
rest of you lot.  I know a band called Admiral, i saw them open for 
someone bigger a couple years ago, and they were quite good, had a 60's 
sort of vibe, as that's what they mostly listen to, i later found out.  
They're now signed onto a label in america, i don't quite remember which 
one, but they carry the apples in stereo and frank black.  Yet they 
still haven't been signed in canada.  Of course this is just me rambling 
on about a topic that i could know a LOT more about then i actually do.  
So anyway, maybe i few of you caught my point.   If not, too bad.  
mwahaha.
  
   What else was there...i don't know.  I do take a lot of what you all 
talk about in terms of good bands to heart.  I'm younger than jong it 
seems, so it wasn't that long ago really that i stopped listening to 
teddy bear picnic and noticed that there is more out there.  (not that 
much younger than jong, i'm not 12 or anything) so it really interests 
me to hear about who you listen to and recommend.  I've learned a lot 
since i've been on the list actually.  I used to find things from my 
brother, but he's strayed off into a different musical...phase? maybe?  
or maybe it's permanent.  I'm glad though, because it helps me discover 
more.  He's not into the whole b&s/arab strap/tindersticks/pastels etc. 
and 60's sound, but more the dj drum and bass hip hop with a beat 
direction.  Some of the stuff he likes is great, superb, the james 
lavelle, dj shadow, bentley rythm ace, fluke tortoise, fat boy slim blah 
blah blah, a lot of which is ace, but for me it's no where neat enough.
 
  My i do tend to ramble!  I'll just be on about one more thing then.  I 
stopped in at #sinister on chat.virgin.net a couple days ago, and it was 
superfantastic. I wasn't sure what i was wandering into and if i was 
going to be shunned by an untra exclusive club, but the people were so 
great.  I saw steve, another sarah, i think brian, jong, and a lot of 
other people who i don't remember and i'm terribly sorry.  BUt the point 
is that it's one of the friendliest, if not THE friendliest channels 
i've been in so thankyou, you're wonderful, and i'll be back so brace 
yourselves.  And all of you other 312 people should stop by too.  Oh on 
second thought that would be a bit crazy.  But i'm sure no one would 
mind.  euh.  sorry.

Thankyou, you're spamdamtastic, gbye.
sarah

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Sun Jul 19 10:56:34 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:56:34 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Not Agadoo, at least that's something.
Message-ID: <01bdb2fb$831b9400$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


Sarah wrote:

>PJ and Duncan Miller? My kate...Shetland ponies....wot?

I demand that Sarah be subpeonaed to appear before the senate with a view to
eventual impeachment for taking the michael out of senior congressmen such
as myself. In the meantime, it is essential to national security that the
chief whip, Dirty Pauly, checks Sarah's mail for the next month in case she
re-offends, earning herself a community service sentence picking the nits
out of the Manic Street Preachers' new beards.

Duke, that's not the reason you didn't get any crushes, it's because you've
already got a shetland pony, so the other shetland ponies are naturally
reluctant to declare their love for you. Or me. They all know that Keith is
an eligible bachelor on the prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrowl and enjoys getting
pissed, so it's quite logical that he should win. The same goes for
Morrissey.

B&S content warning: delete now!

I couldn't help but notice that none of the confirmed concerts are to take
place on boats. Does this mean that the rumoured "Watery Grave" tour has
sunk without trace?. Myself and my retired pit pony were hoping to follow
them around in our recently restored coal barge.

Pierre


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From zulu at xxx.uk  Sun Jul 19 20:50:25 1998
From: zulu at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:50:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: what the butler!
Message-ID: <199807191945.UAA21945@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>


All this bernard butler reminded me of a girl I know who looks just like
him, same complexion, same nose, It's an interesting shape isn't it?
Don't know about his music though, doesn't really do much to me.

anyone else got the cinerama single? Love is an amazing track, featuring
the gorgeous voice of emma 'fi the delgados.

And what about the mogwai gig that's supposed to be in aberdeen on the 26th
of august, anyone heard anything about that?

colin.
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From gary at xxx.uk  Sun Jul 19 02:58:29 1998
From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:58:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: "The beautiful, sparkling, healthy spar water of Bath .... in Avon".
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Sarah, Preston's foremost expert on tyre construction wrote .....

> HUMPH!
>
> I am now on the digest - which takes 3 minutes to come through. Argh.
> And also, it doesn't cut out all the &nsp&nsp;nsop repeat FOREVER
> shit...

Why are you back on the digest then ?.

> OH YEY! I've just read on and Gary has a half crush on me back (whats so
> wrong about me front? heheh)....aaaw you sweetie :) *smooch* (well I did
> promise didn't I!)

Yep and it's about time you delivered as well. 87)  No silly, you have a
half crush on me.

> mmm....Safety Dance....

Careful now, you know what happens when you get songs stuck in my head. 87)

> Shoegazing, hey hey! Here we have something AGAIN that I do not
> understand and furthermore do not wish to "rediscover". I may be
> biaseddue to the fact that since those Manic Street Sweepers have been
> my fave band in the world ever maybe, I have been reading quotes like
> "We hate Slowdive more than Hitler".... but then again, I have never
> heard "Slowdive", "Moose"...I've heard Lush... but I must say I LOVE the
> Mark and lard version of Single Bloke much more than Single Gurrl...

Ahhh, but you need to hear early Lush to see the sheer brilliance they were.
Go get Gala.

> Has anyone seen the advert for a certain cereal?
> "I'm the sugar puff daddy"....
> genuis!

I don't know about genius, it's bloody scary though.

> Prince - HALF pint size twat.

I never got it myself, not even during the purple ones heyday. I'm too
polite to say such nasty things about him though.

> <<ticket prices should be between =A38 and =A310 for these dates ...
> again, we'll confirm this next week!>>
>
> DAVID!!! WHAT!!!!!! I hope you don't mean 38 quid.
> OK, I can get to Leeds. That's my 1st day back at college...buggered!!!!
> OK, help me justify this to my parents

Err ... you have to go to a David Essex convention there as part of your
media studies course.

Oh and going back a few days ago, great guitar solos were being bandied
around. i'm afraid there is only one and it occurs in the first couple of
minutes of "Hometown Unicorn" by Super Furry Animals. Although the "two key
guitar solo" during Buzzcocks "What Do I Get" is pretty good as well. Oh and
the one in "Give it Up" by Talk Talk, although it is a bit on the guitar
wankery side, but there you go.

In a completely not ripped off of "Planet Sound" letters page kind of way,
how about great piano solos, surely the one at the end of The The's
Uncertain Smile wins hands down ?.

Gratuitous B&S content. Yet again a tour that doesn't come within farting
distance of me, ARSE. Guess i'll have to go to Leeds again, DOUBLE ARSE.
Like the Murphy's though .....

Lovefroth Tuesday.


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From Kayemess at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 05:30:12 1998
From: Kayemess at xxx.com (Kayemess at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:30:12 EDT
Subject: Sinister: second crush comp list
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OK...  Who's ready for another round of crush tallies??

With 7 votes:
Keith
Tag

With 3 votes:
The Entire List
Geneveive

With 2 votes:
Brad
Biondino
David
Katrina
Peter Miller
Susannah
Megan
Elisabeth from Toronto

With 1 vote:
Living and Loving Matthew
Tim Hopkins
Gary
Bethey
Rod
Andy Dean
Nick Dastoor
Pam Berry
Tasha
Honey
The Duke
Laurel
Bryan Winters
Amanda
espadrille
Joss
Charlotte Hall
Nickie
jon g
John Johnstone
Vicky Parkinson
Mme Cholet
and me, Kristen

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From bacmann at xxx.fr  Mon Jul 20 07:55:33 1998
From: bacmann at xxx.fr (Aurore)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:55:33 +0200 (DST)
Subject: Sinister: Sinister Re:Ouch!
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980720085128.49860A-100000@moka.ccr.jussieu.fr>



>and i do have a
>blue ac acoustics single that anyone who doesn't, like me, think is
>pish, is welcome to. for a snog. possibly.

dear Duke,

I don't care for the ac acoustics single but I would definitely be 
interested in the snog.

love,
Aurore xx

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 08:51:15 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:51:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: second crush comp list
In-Reply-To: <e9a9cb1.35b2c7d5@aol.com>
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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 Kayemess at aol.com wrote:

> 
> OK...  Who's ready for another round of crush tallies??
> 
> With 1 vote:
> espadrille

wow! thankyou so much you lovely person. whoever you are.... (swoon).

now who the hell are you?

espadrille

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From parachute at xxx.net  Mon Jul 20 09:03:12 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (brad)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:03:12 -0400
Subject: Sinister: the end of the beginning
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> with 2 votes:
> Brad

uh-oh. 

i smell a catfight.

hey, i just thought of something. are we gonna have a contest to see who
makes the best mix tape? cause i reckon with the one i made tonight you
can go ahead and crown me. 

and when's this damn thing gonna start anyway? i can't wait to hear all
those smiths and dandy warhol songs. 

and, once again, i'm gonna plug this web magazine that i have a weekly
column in. it's called firewall http://www.triangle23.com/firewall/ 
the more people show up, the longer it might stick around. my column is
called "road to nowhere" cause i'm unimaginative. just scroll down on
the main page until you see the "columns" section.

and, ladies....i understand. i've got a crush on myself. i've been
there.

-brad
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From aevans at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 09:46:47 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:46:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Bicycle Clips.
Message-ID: <01BDB3C3.509E7B00@pc07628>



PJ Harvey Keitel Miller wrote :

>It's a great joke, you just have
>to think about it for a couple of days, to the exclusion of everything else.
>Eventually it all becomes apparent. Trust me.

Nope.
Excuse me for being stooooooooooooooooooopid. Explain.  I'm not really an axe-murderer....It's not like I'm going to do anything if you offend my good lady...she might though as I found out to my cost when I accused her of being 13 stone.

...your bird is a horse

Is it any wonder I'm confused ?
>From now on I shall call her Pegasus, and not Ghengis.

Debbie wrote :

>> i was very disappointed with Electronic, though. I mean, if it were other
>> people in the band, i would have been quite impressed, i suppose, but i
>> would have expected more from two great talents such as bernard >>sumner and
>> johnny marr. 

Espawotsit added :

>was bernard really a talent, tho? he could hardly sing (tho this did in
>itslef lead to some moments of genius, i'll admit), could definitely not
>write lyrics (ooh you've got blue eyes, oooh you've got green eyes,
>ooh you've got red eyes. - when a single black eye would have done the
>job...), and slagged off joy division at every opportunity...

>ooh you've got red eyes...Grey ?

I cannot disagree Bernard Sumner/Dicken/Albrecht was a talentless individual whose lyrics were as meaningless as my postings to this list.  However, he never once tried to defend his lyrical shortfalls and always refused to get drawn into explaning them.
He did though with the other three come up with some of the toppermost P!O!P! tunes of the eighties.
Electronic was a big big mistake (probably not if you look at Bernards bank balance) and apart from the very first single (collaboration with Neil Tenant) was a big bag of poo.

Someone kindly informed us of Morrisseys forthcoming death :

>Some suggest a new two-album deal with an unspecified label, others
>imminent retirement".

Could he not go back to being a consumer monkey ?

Now where are my bicycle clips ?


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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 09:57:08 1998
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:57:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Ouch!
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>Oh and if you dont think class is important in pop, after the likes of Crispin
Mills, i think you're very much mistaken.

Crispian Mills being a twat has nothing to do with class. He's just a twat.

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 08:08:55 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:08:55 +0100
Subject: Sinister: isn't it too EARLY for this sort of thing?!
Message-ID: <oc2$IDAH0us1Ewps@elsato97.demon.co.uk>


Re Sinister Digest 261....
of which ALL the posts were from debbie, espadrille, the duke and
"Popular" Ian :)

Re Kurt and Courtney - well it's obvious she's going to be against it,
it represents her in a less than positive light, but I'm still going to
try and get to see it. From what I've read about it, it's basicaly
trying to frame Courtney, but put it one way, some of the witnesses are
somewhat...unreliable? I read a thing saying that one of Kurts "best
friends" was interviewed and showed pictures of Kurt to prove their
friendship...when one of the photos was the front covere of the Melody
maker...

Berand Butler. Is a very good geetar player in my opinion. At least he
can writes songs and not WANK (YES! YES! ITS COMING! ANOTHER OVER
EXAGGERATED AND TEDIOUS GUITAR SOLO! YES! ), unlike John Squire. But
then aain I like Suede so lickle old me is biased. Thing to complain
about though.....HIS NOSE!! Fuck me! "Vulture" Butler...

His hairdo is't ROCK! It's very shiny though :)
It's polished Nirvana fan who gave up the combats to dress smartly.

YEY! Sorry, but ANNA FRIEL! has just come on teh radio! (the MADONNA
song no that silly actress...)

Duke - Caffreys is great isn't it. It's my fave drink in the world ever.
Along with fresh orange juice and fresh BLOOD from litte CHILDREN!!
NAHAHAHHAH! (Oh dear, it's only 9.00 in the morning as I write...)

ARGH! KULA SHAKER ON THE RADIO!

Idlewild, Idlewild, YOU'RE Good, YOU'RE Good.... they are shit. Sorry
Debiie, but it's like that and thats the way it is. HURRGH.


I'm glad I have no opinion about the Smiths. I have a tape of them but
only listened to it once so far. S'alright. I just think Morrisey sounds
amazingly like what Mr Bean must sound like when singing. *shrugs*
Sorry.

PJ Party Miller? A senior congressman! Ahahahahahaahhahahaha! Listen,
you KNOW last time you got anywhere that SEXY item Bill Clinton, they
threw you out of the USA and exiled you to Spain. You must stop these
delusions - they FIRED YOU!!!! You can't keep taking pit ponies to work
with you. 

As for teh cheap shot towards the Manics...SHUT UP! How come James had a
beard in '94 and looked so good, and now he has a beard and looks...
silly... Sean suits his beard. Nicky...depends on what mood you are
in,...and james....should shave NOW NOW NOW! I think it's great they've
gone and done it though. i mean what was the last thing you thought
they'd do...

ARGH! OASIS!!!! Radio One is very....crap isn't it. Wonderwall. *pukes*
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From Ihamilt at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 10:13:01 1998
From: Ihamilt at xxx.com (Ihamilt at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:13:01 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Ouch!
Message-ID: <880d8c5b.35b30a1f@aol.com>


 "Crispian Mills being a twat has nothing to do with class. He's just a twat."

Do you really think Crispian would have similar views on indian mysticim if he
stayed in a bedist in Possil?

His views  are the result of living in a cossetted environment, smoking too
much dope and not having to venture into the real world too often. its very
easy to dropout when you can drop back in so easily.


iain

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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 10:43:30 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:43:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: A fool such as I
Message-ID: <19980720094330.14896.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com>


Things not to do:

When conducting a thorough hoovering of one's bedroom, DO NOT be
tempted to lift the nozzle up to the top of your stereo as a dusting
shortcut.  I tried this lazy man's trick yesterday and to my utter
horror suddenly saw the tape from one of the cassettes piled on top
FLY up the tube and then SNAP from the strain.  There were lots of
cassettes there, but it had to be the most precious one of all: an
immaculate recording of Beat Patrol made for me by someone kinder than
Kind Dog.  <Sniff> If only I took better care of my most treasured
possessions.

Nick xx

P.S.  I would be cheered up by receiving a list crush vote, if only I
weren't so sure that I'm just being toyed with by evil Mark.

_________________________________________________________
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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 11:23:17 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:23:17 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Two, count 'em
Message-ID: <35B31A95.E0F66A07@easynet.co.uk>


Whilst the subject still has some (pretty stumpy by now) legs in it, and
as the song is playing as I type;

guitars solos:

there are two *lovely* guitar parts in Spain's 'Ray of Light'. And a
splendid, lilting muted trumpet bit at the end.


Just the ankles left now.


Turt

She sure is purty. But she's gonna die like a dawg

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Mon Jul 20 11:30:17 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:30:17 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Is the Pope Catholic?
Message-ID: <01bdb3c9$640528a0$d04805c3@itjfvkli>


The title of this message refers to my latest pilgramage, up a bloody great
cross lined mountainette in Ainoha, France. Marvellous stuff, this
spirituality. Get with it.

Thanks to the two gorgeous chicks who voted for me on the Crush-O-Meter. You
look great in those bikinis, girls.

Adrian, I'm afraid there's nothing to explain, it was just one of those
things. No offense intended, Kate. Have a sugar lump.

Sarah, I'm afraid I haven't seen the Manic Street Preachers with beards, the
last time I saw them was in a video with loads of policemen with their
truncheons aloft. It was good.

Speaking off offense intended, it's nice to see a determined effort to bring
class war onto the list agenda. Man the Buckaroos! Revolution is at hand! I
propose Algernon Marmaduke Horne to lead the Walter Softies and "Take No
Prisoners" Iain to organise the raggle taggle street oiks army. The smart
money is on the poncey Jaspers. I would like to point out how terribly
working class I am. The only French film I've ever seen is "Asterix and
Obelix Beyond Infinity". However, I love and adore Crispin Mills' mum. I've
even seen her nude, in an Agatha Christie film with Hewyl Bennet. I think.
Quotes of the week so far: "I love that sugar rush" and "You really don't
get punk, do you?" Both classics, the Glasgow band debate is super fun.

There, that should get me a few more votes.

Madelaine Albright

PS: I need Robert McRagtag's address.

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From james at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 11:31:28 1998
From: james at xxx.com (J Errington)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:31:28 +0100
Subject: Sinister: French films and a handy hint.
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Espadrille wrote

> On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, James Errington wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Top ten french films
> > 
> > 10	Germinal
> > 9	La Lectrice
> > 8	Manon Des Source
> > 7	Ridicule
> > 6	Jean De Florette
> > 5	Jules Et Jim
> > 4	Les Valeuses
> > 3	Les Amants
> > 2	L'Appartement
> > 1	Zazie Dans Le Metro
> > 
> > 	Bonsoir mon nouveu ami!
> > 				Le WeeJay
> 
> fair enough (i've only seen four of these, so i can't comment on the
> others), but what about bunuel's french films, or the magnificent 'les
> parapluies de chernourg', or anything else (bar 'manon') featuring
> emmanuelle beart. i think i'd add 'j'embrasse pas', and 'belle du jour'
> for starters.
> 
> espadrille

...maybe...
I better explain - these were kinda the first ten that I thought of. 'Zazie dans le 
metro' remains unspeakably wonderful, though. Which 4 have you seen?
I should really know more, since I start a degree in the damn things come
October. Well, 

		Yours bored stiff (more messages please)

					WeeJay


WeeJay - Manipulating you illicitly since 1979
james at twopounds.u-net.com
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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 11:25:37 1998
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:25:37 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Ouch!
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>Do you really think Crispian would have similar views on indian mysticim if he
stayed in a bedist in Possil?
>
>His views  are the result of living in a cossetted environment, smoking too
much dope and not having to venture into the real world too often. its very
easy to dropout when you can drop back in so easily.
>
> iain

Not wishing to start an argument, he is just a twat regardless of class. If he
was living in a bedsit in Possil he would still be a twat but for slightly
different reasons.

I know plenty of people living in bedsits who spout on about indian mysticism,
and i think its more to do with the dope than the cosseted environment.
Inverted snobbery is just as bad as snobbery you know. Class is only an issue
if you make it one.

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Mon Jul 20 11:46:59 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:46:59 +0200
Subject: Sinister: the end of the beginning
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>and, once again, i'm gonna plug this web magazine that i have a weekly
>column in. it's called firewall http://www.triangle23.com/firewall/
>the more people show up, the longer it might stick around. my column is
>called "road to nowhere" cause i'm unimaginative. just scroll down on
>the main page until you see the "columns" section.


Very enjoyable, Brad. The word "fanny" is causing me some problems though.
If anyone hasn't read Brad's column yet, he refers to someone eating
something that came out of "a woman's fanny". This is confusing for us
Brits, and pretty confusing for everyone else, come to think of it. Unless
it means "fridge". Oh well, time for a lie down.

Big Tuff Bricklayer Pete

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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 11:37:10 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:37:10 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Belle & Seb - The new Oasis ?
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hi guys,

Ivo A P Escossia (a little while ago, but hey .. it takes time for me to
get around to things .. sorry) wrote:

> **Salako**
> Katrina wrote (an old mail):
> >Their web-site will go
> >on-line at midday on July 20th, you can see
> >the countdown at http://www.jeepster.co.uk/salako/
 
> Sound files ?
> Liquid Audio is great.
> Need to listen to them.
> David, July 20th ?

i don't know if david has respomded to this, but the Salako site will go
on-line on Monday 3rd August when their single "Growing Up In The Night"
is released ...

cheers,
Katrina.

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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 11:55:33 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:55:33 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I'll play my "La la" shit for you anytime
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hi again ...

i really don't know whether i should be responding to this on the list
or not, but in the interests of self-promotion (well, for jeepster
anyway) it's on the list ...

Mick McMick wrote:
 
> Reid Dossinger wrote:
> > Then the next question is "Is it a tribute to the now-defunct D.C. band
> > of the same name?  Or at least about them?"  Velocity Girl, to this day,
> > is the best opening band I've ever seen (in 1993, opening for Belly).
> 
>         I wrote Katrina with the same question in mind, after she told me it
> was an original. I'd say, 9 chances out of 10 say it's about the band.

well, as far as i know ... it's not.

the lyrics go along the lines of some girl speeding (whether it be on
drugs or in a car ... i dunno ... i'll remain innocent and assume it's
some kind of motor vehicle) and that's why she's called velocity girl.

and that's that.

(sorry for boring anyone)

oh, and kristen ... do we ever get to find out who voted for who?  i
'spose that's telling really though isn't it ...

gotta go.

bye,
Katrina.
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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 10:55:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:55:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Monday morning mailbox blues
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On Northy meeting Thom Yorke:

A couple of years ago my brother saw Brett Anderson walking down Kilburn
High Road.  Another time he was on the railway station and sees this
girl who looks just like Justine out of Elastica standing there.  Then
this bloke who looks just like Damon out of Blur gets off a train and
embraces the Justine-like girl and they walk off together, visibly
reinventing themselves several times before they were out of view.  

And two weeks ago he went for an job interview in Runcorn and who did he
see on the platform?  Louise Woodward.  You know, the baby shaking nanny.

The best I can do is that I saw Ron Dixon from Brookside in a pub once.

On French films:

What about Subway?  Or, rather predictably, Betty Blue?

On the subject of Canadian music:

Don't blame Canada, it was people in the UK that bought seven billion
copies of that bloody awful Bryan Adams record.

On the subject of the B&S album title:

Surely "The boy with the vibrating butt plug" would have the same effect,
but without causing confusion with the foulmouthed mumblemasters.

Kevan.

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From rod at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 10:28:12 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:28:12 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Ouch!
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Richard Connell wrote:
> 
> >Oh and if you dont think class is important in pop, after the likes of Crispin
> Mills, i think you're very much mistaken.
> 
> Crispian Mills being a twat has nothing to do with class. He's just a twat.

To paraphrase Peter Cook:

I do not call Crispian Mills a posh twat because he is posh.  I do not
call him a posh twat because he is a twat.  But the fact remains - He is
posh, and he is a twat.


He has 'Om Sweet Om' painted on his living room wall.

Rod.

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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 12:26:57 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:26:57 +0100
Subject: Sinister: if i can shoot rabbits, i can shoot fascists
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oh!
oh!
oh!
just 10 minutes to the new manics single...

tho their new beards are v. crap. james' looked ok in his
brylcreamjohnbyjovi RAWK look a few years ago, but now... ig. i find beards
in general just very icky. they serve no purpose other than to save bits of
food for later. like in the Twits. ugh.

but the song...
*swoon* its just been on. did anyone else hear it? so beautiful... from the
title it sounded as if it was gonna be fantasticaly Holy Bibleish, but it
sounds more Everything Must Go, but better... 

speechless.

debbie x 

 
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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 12:24:53 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:24:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Fight! Fight! Fight! Tears! Tears! Tears! Boats!
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Richard Connell wrote:

> Class is only an issue if you make it one.

I was wondering whether to point out that hmmm.. yes this is very easy
for you to say, and that if people in positions of power make it an
issue then others are kind of forced to make it an issue too if they
want to do anything about being fucked over by it.  But THEN:

I read PJ Hooker's post and I laughed till I was sick and the cow
jumped over the moon and the dog ran away with the spoon.

>Speaking off offense intended, it's nice to see a determined effort to 
>bring class war onto the list agenda. Man the Buckaroos! Revolution is 
>at hand! I propose Algernon Marmaduke Horne to lead the Walter Softies 
>and "Take No Prisoners" Iain to organise the raggle taggle street oiks 
>army. The smart money is on the poncey Jaspers. I would like to point 
>out how terribly working class I am. The only French film I've ever 
>seen is "Asterix and Obelix Beyond Infinity". However, I love and 
>adore Crispin Mills' mum. I've even seen her nude, in an Agatha 
>Christie film with Hewyl Bennet. I think.

I love PJ.  Oops, now I've spoilt his day by revealing that at least
one of his two list crushees is not a luscious lovely.

When I was reading the last sinister digest, Word 97 told me there
were too many mistakes for it to continue with the auto spell-check. 
How shameful - I suggest you all come round to my house and take
remedial classes.

Nick xxx

P.S. Was that boat rumour always a joke/NME error?  Perhaps we could
somehow launch the Shepherd's Bush Empire on the Thames.





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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 12:32:15 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:32:15 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I'm going home in a Glaswegian ice-cream van
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Richard Connell wrote:

> Inverted snobbery is just as bad as snobbery you know.

Not wishing to start an argument (but assuming I will for be a pedant), but a snob
is someone who judges by social rank or wealth, not by merit. It does not pertain
simply to those at the upper end of these spectrums, a snob can themselves be poor,
rich or in-between, and of any class. The phrase 'inverted snobbery' therefore, is
pish. It has now become common parlance, however, so I s'pose it's fine to use it.
Yeah, so *why mention it*


And wishing to start an argument (but assuming I won't cos, well, I *want* to start
one): Caffreys: it really is shoddy, in-betweeny slops, the pissy taste of bad
lager with a not so subtle hint of the pissy taste of bad bitter. A drink for those
who, when all's said and done, would rather have their alcohol intake through a
drip.


parvenuncleTurt (though I say so myself, that sig's really rather clever)

Arrogant, arrogant shitehawk. Please, sense humour.

Guinness, BTW. It *is* good for you. Especially cos it's not really real.

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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 12:42:22 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:42:22 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Fight! Fight! Fight! Tears! Tears! Tears! Boats!
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nick dastoor wrote:
>Was that boat rumour always a joke/NME error?  Perhaps we could
> somehow launch the Shepherd's Bush Empire on the Thames.

maybe they could have a carboard cutout of a boat on stage...y'know, like a
Noah's Ark nicked from a school play, and folded newspaper boats scattered
all over the place. For the encore, the crowd could join in with a rousing
chorus of sailing songs. Or perhaps not, eh?

debbie x
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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 13:20:33 1998
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:20:33 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Fight! Fight! Fight! Tears! Tears! Tears! Boats!
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> Richard Connell wrote:
> > Class is only an issue if you make it one.
>
>I was wondering whether to point out that hmmm.. yes this is very easy for you
to say, and that if people in positions of power make it an issue then others
are kind of forced to make it an issue too if they want to do anything about
being fucked over by it.  But THEN:

That's me told then. Wish I'd kept my mouth shut now. I suppose I deserve it
for being serious. Never again. And by the way it wasn't easy for me to say as
my typing is shit and i have to keep deleting and re-saying bits.

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 12:23:49 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:23:49 +0100
Subject: Sinister: GRRRR
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OK.

KRISTEN!!!! I got a vote from GARY. I DEMAND my ONE vote, cos EVERYBODY
ELSE ON THE LIST IS A BASTARD!!!!!!!

Unless they vote for me, which would be nice...Troosers, well I can't
possibly vote for you without knowing your stance...

I heard the new MSP single Debbie, was listening for it all day....i
describe it as such "woosh" :) it is very good. I liked it. I taped it.
I am listening to it now. It's good. Do you want lyrics? here they are
anyway...so someone posted to the MSP list...

*******************************

The future teaches us to be alone,
The present to be afraid and cold.
So, "If I can shoot rabbits then I can shoot fascists"
Bullets fly ?????????? today (?)
But we'll forget it all again.
Ornaments put from pen to paper turns me into a gutless wonder.

<chorus>
Aaaaaaaaaaaand, if you tolerate this then your children will be next (X
a few times)

The gravity keeps my head down
Always and maybe (?) shamed being so young and being so vain.
Holes in your head today
But I'm a pacifist.
I've walks  ???? rambles but with real intent.  (?)

<chorus>

And on the streets around (?) an old man prays
With newspaper cuttings of his glory days.

***************

booredom boooredom...ba-dum ba-dum...
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 13:31:18 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:31:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: French films and a handy hint.
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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, J Errington wrote:

> > > 8	Manon Des Source
> > > 7	Ridicule
> > > 6	Jean De Florette
> > > 5	Jules Et Jim

> I better explain - these were kinda the first ten that I thought of.
> 'Zazie dans le metro' remains unspeakably wonderful, though. Which 4
> have you seen? 

see above...

 I should really know more, since I start a degree in the
> damn things come October. Well,


cinema, or french?

btw, you must see les parapluies (now on video). it features a young
catherine deneuve, a magnificent glorious technicolour colourscheme, and
every single word is sung. high, high camp, and the first time i saw it
(with a camp male friend) we queened through it: the second time (with my
girlfriend) we wept for the last hour or so.

see it now. 

all of you.

(even the lovely person who voted for me (poor deluded thing)).

espadrille


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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 13:37:07 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:37:07 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: if i can shoot rabbits, i can shoot fascists
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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, debbie wrote:

> 
> oh!
> oh!
> oh!
> just 10 minutes to the new manics single...
> 
> tho their new beards are v. crap. james' looked ok in his
> brylcreamjohnbyjovi RAWK look a few years ago, but now... ig. i find beards
> in general just very icky. they serve no purpose other than to save bits of
> food for later. like in the Twits. ugh.
> 
> but the song...

so it took you ten minutes to type in just that paragraph? off to
secretarial college with you debbie, and up that words-per-minute now!


> *swoon* its just been on. did anyone else hear it? so beautiful... from the
> title it sounded as if it was gonna be fantasticaly Holy Bibleish, but it
> sounds more Everything Must Go, but better... 
> 
> speechless.
> 
especadillo


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From Mark at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 13:45:14 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:45:14 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Nick Dastoor - the debate rages on
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Hello all.

I have been informed that certain listees are getting pissed off with me
writing all the time, so this is going to be short and in the singular.

Nick Dastoor - it wasn't me who crushed on you. There IS someone out
there who will love you! My feelings are not the kind you have to
proclaim to others - I don't want to be arrested, for a start.

Class - try entering a moral argument as a middle-class white male. You
haven't got a hope. There is no way in which you are less than
privileged. There's nothing you can ever say to get the moral upper hand
- unless you're talking to Aloysius Montmorency Tollemach-Tollemach
Horne, of course.

I have just rediscovered Le Pastie de la Bourgeoisie. Why didn't I give
it my undivided attention before?

Enough now. Sorry to prattle on.

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 13:57:08 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:57:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Nick Dastoor - the debate rages on
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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Mark Casarotto wrote:

There's nothing you can ever say to get the moral upper hand
> - unless you're talking to Aloysius Montmorency Tollemach-Tollemach
> Horne, of course.


that's the second cheap shot at my social status. i was prepared to let
one pass, but this is getting out of hand. so i've sent mellors and the
butler after you. constance and i will not be spoken to like that, young
man...

espadrille

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From keith at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 14:04:40 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:04:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Bands in Scotland
Message-ID: <000301bdb3de$f4c0f580$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


I'd just like to say I'd generally agree that most of these Scottish bands
are shite, Arab Strap and Mogwai have a couple of moments and show promise,
but the rest yeah, mainly pants. However, I'm just listening to the new
single by the second best band to come from Scotland/Portsmouth. The new
Beta Band single is fucking ace and it's called "Los Amigos del Beta
Banditos", it's completely great kind of laid back groovy stuff - maybe a
wee bit like the Rolling Stones on "Let it Bleed", not much P!O!P! on it, so
beware P!O!P! snobs, this isn't for you, although, having said that, it's
got 3 B sides and only 1 A side, so maybe that'll come in useful for belting
on about a few years down the line perhaps.

    Incidentally, the Beta Band play the venue in Edinburgh tomorrow night,
and are well worth going to see, cause they're better live - totally
different actually, more like Talking Heads on Stop Making Sense, and
normally I find live bands pretty shite really, but the Beta band I thought
were ace.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From rod at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 14:04:22 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:04:22 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Questions, Questions...
Message-ID: <35B34056.448E@begbie.com>


Whatever happens to all those stars of Australian soap operas who
release one record which does piss-all in the top 40 hit parade and then
disappear back to relative obscurity.  Where are you now Stefan Dennis? 
Gayle & Gillian?  Craig McLachlan and Check-1-2.  And what happened to
Bronwyn?  I thought she was lovely.  And how come when Kerry got shot
dead trying to save ducks she didn't actually bleed.  And why am I more
likely to belch after drinking diet soft drinks than I am after drinking
their '10 teaspoons of sugar in every glass' counterparts.  Is it the
phenylalanine?  And is it the excessive belching that's supposed to
cause cancer?  And why would a woodchuck want to chuck wood in the first
place?

It's been a slow morning.

I've just handled a cheque for £503,819.  I'm now going to change my
name to 'Inland Revenue', open a bank account, then disappear for a wee
while.

See you in Rio, P!O!P!chums!

Rod.

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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 15:15:02 1998
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell +44 1705 701802)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:15:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Bands in Scotland
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At the risk of being unpopular, and at the same time not giving a toss, I think
that 'Serious Drugs' by BMX Bandits is a bloody marvelous song. As for any of
their other records, I wouldn't know but just that one song justifies their
existence in my book. But then my book is very battered and tatty and some of
the pages are missing.

Cheers,
Rich

"You won't make friends with salad"

- the Simpson family (bar Lisa, and at Lisa) in a conga formation

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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 15:57:39 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:57:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: if i can shoot rabbits, i can shoot fascists
Message-ID: <E0yyHPD-00033m-00@rhenium.btinternet.com>



mr horne (trying to be 'comedy', for a change...) wrote

>>On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, debbie wrote:

>> 
>> oh!
>> oh!
>> oh!
>> just 10 minutes to the new manics single...
>> 
>> tho their new beards are v. crap. james' looked ok in his
>> brylcreamjohnbyjovi RAWK look a few years ago, but now... ig. i find
beards
>> in general just very icky. they serve no purpose other than to save bits
of
>>food for later. like in the Twits. ugh.
>>
>>but the song...

>so it took you ten minutes to type in just that paragraph? off to
>secretarial college with you debbie, and up that words-per-minute now!

oh, you think you're so funny... ;-)
hehehe
i was obviously just overcome with emotion at the prospect of hearing the
new song and couldn't type properly cos of it... or maybe its cos i've lost
my glasses and ripped my contact lenses and i had to type with my nose so
as to be able to see the keys...

thanx for the lyrics, Sarah, i shall now be able to sing along loudly and
scare my cat... its good cos the parents have gone on holiday so yous can
all come round for a party tonight at mine. i promise not to play any new
order/smiths/bernard butler. well, maybe just a wee bit.

debbie x


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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 16:17:33 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:17:33 +0100
Subject: Sinister: this is hopeless
Message-ID: <E0yyHiT-0000l9-00@rhenium.btinternet.com>


i am so bored.
it is raining outside.
the last bus out of my village was an hour ago.
i missed it.
everyone has gone on holiday except me.
help.

debbie
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Mon Jul 20 16:35:05 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:35:05 +0200
Subject: Sinister: SNOB
Message-ID: <01bdb3f3$f848fe40$LocalHost@itjfvkli>



>Not wishing to start an argument (but assuming I will for be a pedant), but
a snob
>is someone who judges by social rank or wealth, not by merit. It does not
pertain
>simply to those at the upper end of these spectrums, a snob can themselves
be poor,
>rich or in-between, and of any class. The phrase 'inverted snobbery'
therefore, is
>pish. It has now become common parlance, however, so I s'pose it's fine to
use it.
>Yeah, so *why mention it*


SNOB: a shoemaker or cobbler; a cobbler's apprentice.
Anyone not a gownsman; a townsman.
A person belonging to the lower ranks of society; one having no pretensions
to rank or gentility.
A vulgar or ostentatious person.
One whose ideas and conduct are prompted by a vulgar admiration for wealth,
social position or the ownership of rare indie pop record releases.

SNOB: A snob is someone who belongs to or admires the higher social class in
society, and despise people of a lower social class; used showing
disapproval.
Someone who believes that their own special tastes, interests, and abilities
are superior to those of other people.

No further comment is necessary, is it? On a lighter note, and because I
haven't got anything better to do than educate you fleabags:

SNOG: If two people snog, they kiss and cuddle each other continuously for a
period of time; used in informal English, especially by teenagers. eg:...a
couple snogging in the doorway > used as a noun. eg. We had a lovely snog
during the film.

SNOT: the slimy substance that is produced inside your nose.

I'LL GET ME COAT: expression used as a means of bidding farewell by people
who are aware that they are boring everyone senseless for no good reason.

I'll GET ME HOD: As above, only more working class.

Peregrine J Tarpaulin

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 16:49:02 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:49:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: if i can shoot rabbits, i can shoot fascists
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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, debbie wrote:

> 
> oh, you think you're so funny... ;-)

hardly. i'm paul merton and caroline quentin's lovechild. i have paul
merton's haircut and quentin's chin.

> hehehe
> i was obviously just overcome with emotion at the prospect of hearing the
> new song and couldn't type properly cos of it... or maybe its cos i've lost
> my glasses and ripped my contact lenses and i had to type with my nose so
> as to be able to see the keys...
> 
a wonderful image. thankyou. 

egalitaria

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From amh20 at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 16:51:58 1998
From: amh20 at xxx.uk (A.M. Horne)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:51:58 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: SNOB
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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, PJMiller wrote:

> 
> SNOT: the slimy substance that is produced inside your nose.

also an american term, apparently, for an arrogant kid. hence the
otherwise inexplicable song (not snog) by lisa germano (on 'love circus')
called 'i love a snot'.

my favourite song-title of last year.

espadrille


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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 17:12:47 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:12:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: SNOB
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PJMiller wrote:

> SNOB: A snob is someone who belongs to or admires the higher social class in
> society, and despise people of a lower social class; used showing
> disapproval. Someone who believes that their own special tastes, interests,
> and abilities
> are superior to those of other people.
>
> No further comment is necessary, is it?

Yeah, it is. My dictionary is much older (and therefore *obviously* vastly
superior) to yours. Or anyone elses for that matter. Whilst on the subject, did
you know in Victorian times to say someone was 'naughty' was tantamount to
calling them evil ? No, my dictionary isn't that old. It's what I was told when
I was a nipper.

My interest in etymology is no better or worse than anyone else's interests.
See. I can do it.


Turt

Thanks PJ for not leaving the rest of my email in, thereby saving me from
looking like a double posh bastard. Ish.

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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 16:45:43 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:45:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: this is hopeless
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>i am so bored.
>it is raining outside.
>the last bus out of my village was an hour ago.
>i missed it.
>everyone has gone on holiday except me.
>help.

Hey debs - you know I think you might just have unearthed the long
lost poems of Thom Yorke aged 11 and a half.  Contact Faber and Faber
at once.  Or, failing that, Northy.

Nick xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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From chigger88 at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 18:01:02 1998
From: chigger88 at xxx.com (Burt Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:01:02 PDT
Subject: Sinister: french films
Message-ID: <19980720170103.1560.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hey, see Kurt and Courtney.  It's awesome.  More than anything it just 
proves that all the people who have ever been close to Courtney are mean 
and bitter.  It's hilarious how some of her so-called friends try to 
prove their case.  It is obvious that these people are petty and 
foolish. They did say some aweful things about her but when you actually 
look at who is speaking, it sort of ruins their validity.  I think she 
comes out a bit ahead.

Rachael

>
>
>i don't know what the French title was (and probably couldn't spell it 
if i
>did), but 'A Self Made Hero' was one of the best films i have ever 
seen.
>has anyone else seen this? It was soooo good, about a man who makles up 
a
>whole new identity for himself, turning himself into a big war hero or
>something... i dunno, i can never remember the plots of films properly.
>
>i finally got round to seeing 'The Ice Storm' last week, which was
>fantastic. I couldn't stop crying at the end. It was so sad. I've been
>going to see a lot of films lately for some reason. Does anyone know if 
i
>should bother going to see 'Kurt & Courtney' or not? I kinda don't want 
to
>cus Courtney was so against the film and i love her... but i'm obsessed
>with documentaries/biographies about bands etc just now, so...
>
>debbie x
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From d.barker at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 18:10:25 1998
From: d.barker at xxx.uk (Cassell Professional Publishing)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:10:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Blueboy 
Message-ID: <000501bdb401$74f62fa0$7b65e4d4@server>


Has anyone seen the review of the new Blueboy album in Mojo? Not only do
they make it Indie album of the month (aren't we supposed to have stopped
using that word by now?) but the reviewer describes it as a more polished
Belle and Sebastian.

What a strange thing to say. It's a very nice record, with five or six
lovely songs on it. But the up-tempo numbers suck, and it rather overplays
the Cocteau Twins big echoing guitar strum effect. It does mention Oon in
the thank you bit on the sleeve, though, which is cool. I presume it's the
same Oon.

Does anyone know anything about Union Wireless? Keith Cameron played a song
of theirs on XFM the other night and it was wonderful. Also, is the Arnold
record worth buying?

I enjoyed the shoegazing discussion a while back. My favourite shoegazing
song of all time is Mogwai's New Paths to Helicon, which pretty much defines
the genre. I don't think they're much cop since, though.

One more question: who is the guy who sings on the V-Twin b-side (Sound as
Ever, I think it's called). It isn't
Chris, is it? It sounds very much like young Roddy Frame. Now there's a man
who lost the plot...

Take care,

DAVID

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From tasha at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 18:19:40 1998
From: tasha at xxx.com (Girl Racer)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:19:40 -0700
Subject: Sinister: second crush comp list
Message-ID: <9807201019.ZM5504@blort>


>With 1 vote:
>Tasha

yay! that made my day.  wait, this wasn't just cause i mentioned myself in my
own email, was it?

tasha

-- 
Tasha Wedeen
tasha at pixar.com
http://www.geocities.com/~girlracer
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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 18:29:41 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:29:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Blueboy 
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is this the David that used to be 'Ruth McCurry'? Just wondered. If it is,
hello! i thought you had unsubscribed or something... 
the songs on that tape were beautiful, by the way... if it isn't the same
david then you'll not have a clue what i'm talking about, but hello anyway.

if i could answer some of those questions i would, but i can't so i wont...

love,
debbie (aka 'Alan Prior')

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> From: Cassell Professional Publishing <d.barker at xxx.uk>
> To: Sinister <sinister at majordomo.net>
> Subject: Sinister: Blueboy 
> Date: 20 July 1998 18:10
> 
> 
> Has anyone seen the review of the new Blueboy album in Mojo? Not only do
> they make it Indie album of the month (aren't we supposed to have stopped
> using that word by now?) but the reviewer describes it as a more polished
> Belle and Sebastian.
> 
> What a strange thing to say. It's a very nice record, with five or six
> lovely songs on it. But the up-tempo numbers suck, and it rather
overplays
> the Cocteau Twins big echoing guitar strum effect. It does mention Oon in
> the thank you bit on the sleeve, though, which is cool. I presume it's
the
> same Oon.
> 
> Does anyone know anything about Union Wireless? Keith Cameron played a
song
> of theirs on XFM the other night and it was wonderful. Also, is the
Arnold
> record worth buying?
> 
> I enjoyed the shoegazing discussion a while back. My favourite shoegazing
> song of all time is Mogwai's New Paths to Helicon, which pretty much
defines
> the genre. I don't think they're much cop since, though.
> 
> One more question: who is the guy who sings on the V-Twin b-side (Sound
as
> Ever, I think it's called). It isn't
> Chris, is it? It sounds very much like young Roddy Frame. Now there's a
man
> who lost the plot...
> 
> Take care,
> 
> DAVID
> 

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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 18:20:54 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:20:54 +0100
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: Belle and Sebastian Ticket Details
Message-ID: <35B37C76.583BF9A@jeepster.co.uk>


alrighty .. here we go with the ticket information for the UK gigs!

Ticket prices will be as follows: Leeds and Nottingham - £9 each, London
£10.  All tickets will be subject to a booking fee.

We (Jeepster/the fanclub) will NOT be selling tickets like we did last
time .. SORRY!  We'll try to get this service together for the dates in
October however.

All tickets will be on sale from Thursday 23rd July, however Stargreen
are already selling tickets for the London gig RIGHT NOW!!!!  Get
dialling ...

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Leeds

gig date - Friday 4th September @ The Variety Theatre - capacity 500

Not available from box office - don't phone them!
Way Ahead Ticket Outlets - 0113 244 4600
Jumbo Records - 0113 245 5570
Crash (record shop) - 0113 243 6743


Nottingham

gig date - Saturday 5th September @ the Marcus Garvey Centre - capacity
800

Way Ahead Ticket Outlets - 0115 912 9000
Selectadisc Records - 0115 947 5420


London

gig date - Monday 7th September @ Shepherd's Bush Empire - capacity 2000

Stargreen - ON SALE NOW! - 0171 734 8932
Shepherd's Bush Empire Box Office - 0181 740 7474
Ticketmaster - 0990 344 4444
Rough Trade WC2 - 0171 240 0105
Rough Trade W11 - 0171 229 8541
Rhythm Records NW1 - 0171 267 0123
Tower Records in London
HMV Stores in London

so there you go.

if you desperately need more info, give David at Jeepster a call (or
preferably e-mail him at shop at jeepster.co.uk) and he'll try to help.

cheers,
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From jmurphy at xxx.Edu  Mon Jul 20 19:04:15 1998
From: jmurphy at xxx.Edu (Jessica Murphy)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:04:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: People won't accept....
In-Reply-To: <199807180535.AAA05714@smtp1.mailsrvcs.net>
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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Suzanne Schroeder wrote:

> My top 10 list of artists who should give it up and go home:
> 
> 5.  goo Goo Dolls


Oh, I know... If I have to hear that song from the "City of Angels"
soundtrack ONE MORE TIME...

On a more positive note, and since movies have been a recent subject,
"Wings of Desire" -  the film that 'inspired' "City of Angels" - is one of
my long-time recommendations.  No, it's not French, so it doesn't fit
into that list, but anyway!

B & S:  "Get Me Away From Here I'm Dying" is my favorite right now.


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From rnorth at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 21:10:50 1998
From: rnorth at xxx.uk (Sweet & Tender Hooligan)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:10:50 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Nick, "Das Toor!", sagt die Englischin
Message-ID: <199807201855.TAA14128@zeus.netdirect.net.uk>



> Nick Dastoor - it wasn't me who crushed on you. There IS someone out
> there who will love you! My feelings are not the kind you have to
> proclaim to others - I don't want to be arrested, for a start.

Well he made me Tigermilk tape so I guess a little love from me ought 
to go his way.  Although not too much......

This really was a wasted mail wasn't it?

Fuck, I haven't got a credit card or a willing Mum and Dad.  I have 
two choices to get tickets.  Wait the agonising wait for a cheque 
order or go up to London to get 'em......does anyone even care?

Anyone recommend a decent Smiths story book as I really wanna know 
how they split and formed and stuff?

anyway

bye

Northy


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From rnorth at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 21:20:17 1998
From: rnorth at xxx.uk (Sweet & Tender Hooligan)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:20:17 +0000
Subject: Sinister: If you tolerate this....you are very brave indeed
Message-ID: <199807201904.UAA14366@zeus.netdirect.net.uk>


I'm sorry but is it just me that thinks that the new Manics single is 
utter, utter, utter shite.

I mean if that is a single, what must the album be like?

Are you serious about the poetry Nick?  I'll pay big (small) cash for 
them if this is true but I bet it's not!

Dammit, Stargreen are not answering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arghhhhh...................

sir, a bottle of your finest and cheapest champagne

Northy


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From Funkyseb at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 20:03:48 1998
From: Funkyseb at xxx.com (Funkyseb at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:03:48 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Re: Top Ten French Films
Message-ID: <5f888c3e.35b39498@aol.com>


On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, James Errington wrote:

> 
> Top ten french films
> 
> 10	Germinal
> 9	La Lectrice
> 8	Manon Des Source
> 7	Ridicule
> 6	Jean De Florette
> 5	Jules Et Jim
> 4	Les Valeuses
> 3	Les Amants
> 2	L'Appartement
> 1	Zazie Dans Le Metro
> 
> 	Bonsoir mon nouveu ami!
> 				Le WeeJay
     What about the fantastic La Haine? (sp?) 
I was sat in a really nasty pub in Croydon, one New Years Eve, surrounded by
knuckle dragging trendies and casuals, feeling very fey and very scared
indeed.
And then, one of them started talking about La Haine, and very quickly, we
started talking. They turned out to be really good mates, thus proving:
1  Class does not affect your understanding of art (as some people seem to
think)
and 
2  Subtitles are no barrier to enjoying a fucking good film.

I also love the Tit and the Moon, but that's not French, is it?

A Bientot,
Seb
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From euan.leitch at xxx.net  Mon Jul 20 20:06:37 1998
From: euan.leitch at xxx.net (Euan Leitch)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:06:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: A warning and a crush
Message-ID: <35B3953C.51C0@virgin.net>


Hello Sinisterades



The Beta Band may be ace Keith, but I trollied all the way to Glasgow,

and waited over an hour to be told that the lead singer was too ill to

appear.  I would've put up with an instrumental interlude but the good

natured crowd just wafted away.  No riot at the Cathouse.  So check

before you go on Tuesday night that he's been taking the medicine.



Not having heard the Looper release I could only read the Blairite

diatribe in ignorance, with perhaps a thought of _over-reaction_.  But

having heard it now I agree that the breakbeats didn't work.  But I've

also been thinking (ooh really!) that whenever i hear new music I'm

hoping for that same feeling that I got when I first heard The State

That I Am In, and so I'm always a little disappointed.  that's why my

lovelife sucks too.  I'm always wanting that feeling I had over Sarah

Thoms 10 years ago.



As to List crushes... well mine is with someone who I sat in the dark

with on Saturday afternoon, although I didn't know they were there, and

I was wearing  my B&S badge on my sleeve.  They recently underwent a

seemless sex change too, in front of all of us.



I'm feeling like a stalker.



Ue
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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 20:48:57 1998
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:48:57 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: The Lonely Hearts Club Band
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OK, we've got the first few tour dates; anyone fancy meeting up before
each gig?

And more urgently, does anyone know of anywhere decent to stay in
Nottingham?


> OK...  Who's ready for another round of crush tallies??
> 
<lots of names of people more popular than me>

Nobody likes me, it's not fair...

Am I allowed to vote for Isobel?


Stuart G

<off to sulk in the corner>

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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 21:05:47 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:05:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Nick, "Das Toor!", sagt die Englischin
Message-ID: <E0yyME8-0003WE-00@tantalum>


northy wrote;
> Anyone recommend a decent Smiths story book as I really wanna know 
> how they split and formed and stuff?

if you wanna read a book on the Smiths, you should get 'Morrissey & Marr-
the Severed Alliance' by Johnny Rogan, which is great and will tell you
just about everything you'd need to know, i should think.
Its the book that before it even came out, Morrissey said "Personally, I
hope Johnny Rogan ends his days very soon in an M3 pile-up", and is really
in-depth; i mean, it begins with Morrissey's grandparents in Ireland at the
turn of the century for goodness sake...

debbie x
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From zulu at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 20 22:38:08 1998
From: zulu at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:38:08 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Wow!
Message-ID: <199807202126.WAA07559@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


I saw grant stot, formerly of bbc's exciting sunday morning kiddies' show
fully booked, and other assorted scottish programs in edinburgh today.
He was parking his car in the car park beside bristo square.
I do have an exciting life, don't I?

colin.
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From jossleag at xxx.ie  Mon Jul 20 22:58:18 1998
From: jossleag at xxx.ie (Joss & Leagues)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:58:18 +0100
Subject: Sinister: ...and the cars not bad either - come on!
Message-ID: <v01530500630b656d2991@[194.125.41.71]>


turt said:
>She sure is purty. But she's gonna die like a dawg
O for fuck's sake, crown this man...

Does anyone else reckon that Curtis Mayfield has the finest voice ever
known to man? I'm listening to that Impressions compilation on kent and it
is truly the finest thing ever. No, really. Falsetto-tastic...  O, and
cheers for the one crush vote whoever you are. I may be an enemy in the
class war, but I'm not too proud to accept charity. Or maybe it was a
fateful typing error.

What with my flatmate being a journo type I managed to junket my way to a
wee listen thing to the new MSP lp. I thort it sounded like Boston. But I
was pissed up on free plonk.
And I won't hear talk of the Mogwai's after they used that slint song for
their David Holmes remix.
Awwww... I can't look at firewall with my poxy browser.
Someone mail me brad's thing, please.
It's a perfectly sane request.
O, and another thing...
There's this site, www.isis.ie/xfm, it's the pirate station I dj on.
Anyways, on wednesday night they have a live audiovisual thing of my best
friend Caroline's band and of the marvellous Joan of Arse, stars of Peel.
And I'm on on thursday night, but you don't want to see that...
(*recurrence of blush*)
I'm off out to the pubb with my friend hairy pat.
Isn't work at 8am poo?
love
joss

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From TFertig3 at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 23:07:06 1998
From: TFertig3 at xxx.com (TFertig3 at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:07:06 EDT
Subject: Sinister:10 Crap but "credible" Scottish Bands
Message-ID: <b622b708.35b3bf8b@aol.com>



<< Top ten french films
 
 10	Germinal
 9	La Lectrice
 8	Manon Des Source
 7	Ridicule
 6	Jean De Florette
 5	Jules Et Jim
 4	Les Valeuses
 3	Les Amants
 2	L'Appartement
 1	Zazie Dans Le Metro
  >>

Let's not forget Les Infants du Paradis, the three and a half hour long
masterpiece!  Rules of the Games and Grand Illusion are supposed to be
wonderful, too.  

My B&S content today: I converted a friend who previously enjoyed hardcore
bands like Policy of 3, Fugazi, Minor Threat and others which I don't know.
Now that's an accomplishment.

Someone told me my name is androgynous (previously, like Espadrille).  How
about a top ten coolest sounding listee names list?  I think mine's pretty
cool (a sorry attempt for you all to learn my name), and I've always admired
the name Espadrille (no, I'm not your crushee).  

Buffalo '66 is the best movie ever!

Pickling,
Tami
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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Mon Jul 20 23:17:17 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:17:17 +0100
Subject: Sinister: approaching a new century
Message-ID: <E0yyOFn-00014v-00@praseodumium.btinternet.com>


I have just been hanging around the archives and decided to see how many
times I have posted to this list (in both my male and female guises), and
found that it has only been a paltry 97. Something has to be done. And
soon.

love,
Debbie xx

(that would be 98 now...)
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From barzy at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 00:35:57 1998
From: barzy at xxx.com (Madame Cholet)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:35:57 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Boards Of Canada 
Message-ID: <v01540b14b1d98306fc66@[209.85.25.57]>


Does anyone have any info on this Scottish band? Since everyone's always on
about Scottish bands...I thought i'd join in...Tho you won't hear any "och
The Pastels are crap" outa me though. No sir E bob. Pastel hating is for
paste eaters. Paste eaters are Pastel beaters (and vice versa). I've never
heard of this "Boards Of Canada" band before...I was sent the promo and it
ain't half bad. It's ambient stuff...not great to work to...as it's putting
me to sleep as we speak...but i'm quite fond of it. Any info would be
loverly...i'm entranced.... I'm totally relaxed....under the spell....I
hear and obey....


I am my pineapple.

bethietubby.

p.s. I'm going to see Miles Hunt tonight. I've not seen him in ages. Last
time I saw him...I didn't have to pay rent or taxes. I bet i'll feel old.
*sigh* I wonder if he's still got that hair.














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From bsanant at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 00:28:26 1998
From: bsanant at xxx.com (Birjinder Anant)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:28:26 PDT
Subject: Sinister: What should I put?
Message-ID: <19980720232827.27191.qmail@hotmail.com>


For the tape tree tape, I left off a lot of bands because I figured 
everyone would have them, like the Stone Roses, even though I'm dying to 
put them on it. Is this a good course of action?  Basically I recorded a 
tape-load of songs myself on a 4-track so no one can complain 

Ummm, to add to the list, I liked Contempt/Mespris a lot, and also The 
Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie

>With 1 vote:
>.
>.
>Rod

Ok, make it two

Take care,
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From Crow2343 at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 00:37:02 1998
From: Crow2343 at xxx.com (Crow2343 at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:37:02 EDT
Subject: Sinister: subscribe
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pls put me on yr belle and sebastian email list. i love them so. thank you.
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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 01:07:48 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:07:48 EDT
Subject: Sinister: French films and a handy hint.
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for those of you in the us, germinal is on bravo this evening, at 9:45 and
3:15
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From keith at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 09:20:04 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:20:04 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tape Trees
Message-ID: <003701bdb480$5d1d8070$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


Are we supposed to wait for some "Away you go!" like Ron Pickering used to
say before we mail out these tapes to people (not that I've actually
recorded the fucker yet).

    Also, it'd be quite a nice idea I think to post to the list with what
tracks you put on each others tapes, so's that not only can other people see
what other people put on their tapes, but they get a chance to go "Oh no,
you don't like them do you" and "Their shit early stuff was much better".

    Please let me welcome Crow2343 to the list too who's just tried to
subscribe my mailing the list - hello Crow.


Cheers,
    Keith.

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From koogydelbbog at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 10:00:28 1998
From: koogydelbbog at xxx.com (andrew dean)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:00:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: re: boards of canada
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beth:
>Does anyone have any info on this Scottish band?
>I've never heard of this "Boards Of Canada" band before...I was sent
>the promo and it ain't half bad. It's ambient stuff...

yeah, it's on warp here in the uk, an lp called 'music has the right
to children' (about 18 tracks, is that the one you have?) and at it's
best (that one track with 'pete' in the title) it does a passable
autechre copy. yeah, is nice. actually, last time i heard it was
whilst doing the washing up whilst visiting a friend in Los Angeles,
it was one of the four tapes i took over to keep me occupied on the
trip, the others being the delgados and adventures in stereo lps. and
something else. um, yeah, boards played a track for peel recently,
played live into the station from the place where they record sessions
so i guess a peel session is coming shortly. there's also another
track on the warp 100 compilation cd out recently. and that's about
it, they just seemed to appear from out of the scottish mist a couple
of months ago. and apparently they live somewhere really remote in
scotland.

andy x
==
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Jul 21 11:14:02 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:14:02 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Little Lord Fauntleroy Begs Forgiveness
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>Thanks PJ for not leaving the rest of my email in, thereby saving me from
>looking like a double posh bastard. Ish.


'Twas never my intention to make our Uncle Turt look like a posh bastard, we
all know he's a chimney sweep. I looked up those definitions to see if it
really is impossible to be an inverted snob and thought some of it was worth
passing on to fellow word freaks and dictionary fetishists. No offense to
posh bastards, snooty fuckers or dry, non-slimy snot producers anywhere. On
a personal level, despite being one of the most working class people in the
world, I am aware that I will disappear long before poshness is eradicated,
so I tend to direct my energies elsewhere. I use the term "energies"
loosely. Also, the term "snog" has cropped up a few times lately, and some
of our overseas viewers might not know what it is.

I just wrote loads of stuff about Curtis Mayfield and La Haine and then
deleted it all. They both get 10/10. Don't worry about whether a film is
French or not before including it in your Top Ten French Films. No one else
is worrying about it, Le Pen would have a fit!

Jean Marie

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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 11:09:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:09:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tape Trees
Message-ID: <04130430016A1600@c2gate.tcom.co.uk>


Keith asked:
>Are we supposed to wait for some "Away you go!" like Ron Pickering used to
>say before we mail out these tapes to people (not that I've actually
>recorded the fucker yet).

"Away you go!"

I sent out a message to everyone on the UK tape tree last friday to let
them know where they fit into the grand scheme of things.  Anyone who was
expecting to be on the UK tape tree and has NOT received my message should
mail me directly to let me know ASAP.

>   Also, it'd be quite a nice idea I think to post to the list with what
>tracks you put on each others tapes, so's that not only can other people see
>what other people put on their tapes, but they get a chance to go "Oh no,
>you don't like them do you" and "Their shit early stuff was much better".

Sorry Keith but I disagree, I for one would rather find out what is on each
tape as it arrives in the post and not before.  I'm a bit confused as to what
you mean by "tracks you put on each others tapes".  Everyone records their
own tape, and once it's done other people don't record over it or anything,
it just gets sent round the tape tree as is.

And yes, the shit early stuff is always better.

Kevan

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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 11:58:33 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 03:58:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Nod, " the Toor! ", says the Englischin 
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>> Also, it'd be quite a nice idea I think to post to the list with what
>> tracks you put on each others tapes


> I'm a bit confused as to what you mean by "tracks you put on each 
> others tapes". Everyone records their own tape, and once it's done 
> other people don't record over it or anything, it just gets sent 
> round the tape tree as is.

It's a shame this has been cleared up.  I rather liked the idea of
Keith getting the wrong end of the stick and recording over everybody
else's tapes.  How long would it have taken for people to have spotted
what was happening?  Perhaps we should just be done with it and have a
Keith tree.

I played IYFS to another flatmate the other day and he said the singer
sounded like "how people must have sung in medieval times".  Gregorian
chant, anyone?  I didn't mind this, but I did mind it when I put The
Go Betweens' "16 Lovers Lane" on in a friend;s car and she said it
sounded liek Deacon Blue.  I think she meant it kindly.  I don't know,
perhaps Deacon Blue are great after all and I'm just a blinkered fool.



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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 12:30:10 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:30:10 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Out of the frying pan ..
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Joss wrote:

> turt said:
> >She sure is purty. But she's gonna die like a dawg
> O for fuck's sake, crown this man...

I have emailed Joss privatately on this. If I anyone else was offended, I
apologise. As I explained to Joss, the line is taken from 'The Day to Day',
the spoof TV news program fronted (and partly created) by Chris Morris (of
Brasseye fame), and is spoken by a minister appointed to oversee the execution
of a female arsonist in the Deep South. I'm not entirely happy with Joss'
rejoinder, and would have preferred a private email that didn't tend to make
me look like an apologist for women beaters in front of 500+ people who don't
know me (and therefore, to be blunt, wouldn't know any better), but I guess I
shouldn't have assumed anyone else's comprehension before I sent the message.

As many of you will know (and I seem intent on proving ad nauseum), this
emailing lark can be a tricky bidness, less you keep yer mouth shut. I promise
my next email will be uncontentious and informative. Possibly on topic. Just
keep breathing.


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From peter at xxx.se  Tue Jul 21 12:42:21 1998
From: peter at xxx.se (Peter Larsson)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:42:21 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Take care of my friend.
Message-ID: <l03102803aff8fb6aa193@[193.45.143.56]>


Hello!

Firts letter from me. Just joined the list.

Anyone from Glasgow here? If so. I have a friend of mine that is in Glasgow
for hollyday right now trying to find nice Belle & Sebastian stuff. If you
see him say hello and take care om him. He wants to shape up his english
(we are from sweden ). So join him for a cup of coffé and talk to him. His
name is Joel, he got round glases and blond hair and is about 1,80 meters
tall. He usally looks a bit comfused. He needs you!

Lots of love.

Peter Larsson

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From vegus at xxx.no  Tue Jul 21 12:50:07 1998
From: vegus at xxx.no (Stein Vegusdal)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:50:07 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Sinister got 6 out of 6!!
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980721135007.009af9b0@mail.a.sol.no>


Just wanted to tell you all that Sinister got
rewiewed in Norways second largest daily newspaper
today. It got 6 out of 6...!
(You can read the rewiew here, if you understand
norwegian: http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/1998/07/21/125521.html

So there will probably be about 1000 vikings signing
on to the list in the next week or so....

Cheers,
Stein Vegusdal
Oslo, Norway

PS! Anybody else from Norway, Sweden or Denmark going over
for the UK gigs? There will at least be 5 or 6 of us from
Oslo. (were going to Reading first, then to all three gigs..!)


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From rod at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 13:56:20 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (myst.tr)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:56:20 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Nod, " the Toor! ", says the Englischin
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Nick Dastoor wrote:
> >> Also, it'd be quite a nice idea I think to post to the list with what
> >> tracks you put on each others tapes
> 
> It's a shame this has been cleared up.  I rather liked the idea of
> Keith getting the wrong end of the stick and recording over everybody
> else's tapes.  How long would it have taken for people to have spotted
> what was happening?  Perhaps we should just be done with it and have a
> Keith tree.

Agreed!

Everyone!  Send Keith a C90 immediately.  He then has to fill up each
tape with different stuff, and then send them back out to us so we could
circulate them.

And Keith... no cheating.  No-one really wants a tape with 17 recordings
of "Nathan Jones" by Bananarama.  (Well, some people might.  But not
many.)

Rod.

PS.  Is Ian, the person who's giving me a lift at the weekend, and who
met me once when I was nearly naked, a member of this list, by any
chance?
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From aevans at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 14:35:54 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:35:54 +0100
Subject: Sinister: TDK D46
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Dave wrote :

>Agreed!

>Everyone!  Send Keith a C90 immediately.  He then has to fill up each
>tape with different stuff, and then send them back out to us so we could
>circulate them.

Hang on a minute !

Keith maybe getting slightly confused with regards this tape tree but I don't think he's entirely stooopid.  Surely by Jeeves should he have 627 tapes turn up on his doorstep still in nice sellaphane wrappers he'd be straight down the nearest market with pound signs in his eyes and a big cheesey grin on his face that read "Fuck you all".

Colin wrote :

>I saw grant stot, formerly of bbc's exciting sunday morning kiddies' show
>fully booked, and other assorted scottish programs in edinburgh today.
>He was parking his car in the car park beside bristo square.
>I do have an exciting life, don't I?

More exciting than meeting Thom Yorke in a filling-station.

Did he have a wonky eye ?


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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 14:47:21 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:47:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: TDK D46
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>>I saw grant stot, formerly of bbc's exciting sunday morning kiddies' show
>>fully booked, and other assorted scottish programs in edinburgh today.
>>He was parking his car in the car park beside bristo square.
>>I do have an exciting life, don't I?

>More exciting than meeting Thom Yorke in a filling-station.

Well i met Nordic dwarf Sandy Toksvic (or however you spell it) of 80s kids
CITV & Who's Line Is It Anyway fame at Glasgow airport once. Now *that's*
exciting.

god, my life is just *too* amazing...

Debbie x

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From keith at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 14:51:37 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:51:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Nod, " the Toor! ", says the Englischin
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>> It's a shame this has been cleared up.  I rather liked the idea of
>> Keith getting the wrong end of the stick and recording over everybody
>> else's tapes.  How long would it have taken for people to have spotted
>> what was happening?  Perhaps we should just be done with it and have a
>> Keith tree.


Hmm, I can't understand where people have got the idea that I thought you'd
tape over the original tape and then send it on... That would just be
daft... I went back to the original mail too and looked at it, and can see
no hint of a mention of taping over other peoples tapes. Strange.

    Oh and Rod (whose mail headers are as ever brimming with quality jokes)
haven't you already got Bananarama's greatest hits. I can't remember much of
"Nathan Jones" anyway, wasn't that latter period bananarama? Wasn't it a
Motown song?

    And Kevan, I didn't particularly mean sending the track list to the list
immediately. It could be done after the tapes have arrived, it was just out
of interest to see what other people have put on the tapes - I'm sure it
would be interesting.

Keith.


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From rod at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 14:54:40 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:54:40 +0100
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debbie wrote:
> Well i met Nordic dwarf Sandy Toksvic (or however you spell it) of 80s kids
> CITV & Who's Line Is It Anyway fame at Glasgow airport once. Now *that's*
> exciting.

I'll see your Sandi Toksvig, and raise you Carol Vorderman.

Rod.
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From alerche at xxx.net  Tue Jul 21 13:56:13 1998
From: alerche at xxx.net (Andre Vieira)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:56:13 +0200
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: Belle and Sebastian Ticket Details
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>All tickets will be on sale from Thursday 23rd July, however Stargreen
>are already selling tickets for the London gig RIGHT NOW!!!!  Get
>dialling ...

I bought my ticket about half an hour ago.  I'm so happy, you wouldn't
belive it!  Coming from a city where the main international atraction until
last year was A-Ha (yes, that precious Norwegian band; unfortunately I'm
not joking), traveling to London to see Belle and Sebastian is truly a
blessing.

:-)

Andre (unable to hide my smile).

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From ooon at xxx.th  Tue Jul 21 15:10:28 1998
From: ooon at xxx.th (oon)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:10:28 +0700
Subject: Sinister: new B&S album so-called review
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Hi!

not from me unfortunately, the below review's from a friend.
just think some of you (esp Mr.Miller) might like to read.
(hope Katrina and David don't mind me forwarding this to the list)

and Cassell Professional Publishing wrote:
> ..... It does mention Oon in the thank you bit on 
> the sleeve, though, which is cool. I presume it's the
> same Oon.

really?  i do really hope it's me, otherwise i'll be rather
upset...i don't want to share my name with anyone :)
nice to see you back David!

i like Keith's idea that everyone posts the tracklist
for tape tree to the list. has anyone actually 
finished the tape?  i'll try to finish it soon 
to make up for the distance.

love,
oon xxx

Arthit Promprasit wrote:
> 
> Don't know if anyone has reviewed the new LP of Belle And Sebastian here,
> but I just got an advance tape with 14 tracks on and it is really amazing!
> The tape here has a Virgin label on with the "non-definitive tracklisting,
> pre-mastered" on the cover. However there is a track "I Know Where The
> Summer Goes" included which wasn't on the final tracklisting that confirmed
> by Jeepster a while back. ("Summer Goes" is so beautiful -
> Kit/Pelvis/Hopkirk And Lee comparisons).
> 
> The whole LP sounds pretty much like "3..6...9 Seconds Of Light" with some
> surprises. The best tracks obviously are "Seymore Stein" and "The Boy With
> The Arab Strap" - they are blessed with boy/girl singings and B&S usual
> hand-clapping bit. "The Rollercoaster Ride" will go well with all PCH
> drivers in Los Angeles, while "Ease Your Feet Into The Sea" will make
> Brighton/Blackppol boys swoon over. Actually the song reminds me of Cafe Del
> Mar's Jose Padilla! "Is It Wicked Not To Care" and "The Gate" are sung by
> their female singer, and admittedly too twee for my own good..Also B&S gone
> on a funky tip on a short track "A Spaceboy Dream" with a heavy
> Scottish-accent spoken word intro.
> 
> Apologies if this has spoiled your appetizer, the cover says the release
> date 7 September, so it is not too far away. And a note to Jeepster peep -
> rest-assured that I won't make any home-made copy of this tape to anyone.
> Swear to god!
> Best Wishes,
> A
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From isa at xxx.se  Tue Jul 21 15:49:22 1998
From: isa at xxx.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C5sa?= Wilhelmsson)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:49:22 +0200
Subject: Sinister: new B&S album so-called review
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>> And a note to Jeepster peep -
>> rest-assured that I won't make any home-made copy of this tape to anyone.

Rest-assured that you'll have lots of best buddies in a moment ;-)


...sade Åsa.


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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 16:12:56 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:12:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: TDK D46
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> debbie wrote:
> > Well i met Nordic dwarf Sandy Toksvic (or however you spell it) of 80s
> kids
> > CITV & Who's Line Is It Anyway fame at Glasgow airport once. Now
> *that's*
> > exciting.
> 
> I'll see your Sandi Toksvig, and raise you Carol Vorderman.
> 
*Raising* Carol Vorderman.  What a disgusting thought.  Not maliciously
meant, all you Carol lovers/weird maths people out there who might
conceivably want to kill me now...

>           Arrivederci,
>                            Liz.
> 
> ***********************************************   
>              Tsuki-Yuki-Hana
> 
> Twitch the blind and peep at the moon
> The big round moon like a piece of soap
> It washes the daytime out of your eyes
> And fills them up with night time.
> 
>                                              Ivor Cutler
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From zulu at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 16:25:18 1998
From: zulu at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:25:18 +0100
Subject: Sinister: TDK D46
Message-ID: <199807211514.QAA05173@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>




The lovely debbie wrote:

> >>I saw grant stot, formerly of bbc's exciting sunday morning kiddies'
show
> >>fully booked, and other assorted scottish programs in edinburgh today.
> >>He was parking his car in the car park beside bristo square.
> >>I do have an exciting life, don't I?
> 
> >More exciting than meeting Thom Yorke in a filling-station.
> 
> Well i met Nordic dwarf Sandy Toksvic (or however you spell it) of 80s
kids
> CITV & Who's Line Is It Anyway fame at Glasgow airport once. Now *that's*
> exciting.
> 
> god, my life is just *too* amazing...
> 
> Debbie x
> 
> PS: I've met BERNARD BUTLER!!!!! Just incase you didn't know already...

But even better than all these, are all the amazing people you can bump
into in edinburgh airport. A friend of mine met jarvis there summer '96,
and last april another friend bumped into the Tory party chicken that was
following tony blair around.

Oh, and I saw a guy who looked just like harold from neihbours, when I was
walking my dog in the meadows today.

Can I be in the tape tree without having to make tapes, coz my tape
recorder is broken?

colin.
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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 15:38:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:38:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Nod, " the Toor! ", says the Englischin
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>Hmm, I can't understand where people have got the idea that I thought you'd
>tape over the original tape and then send it on... That would just be
>daft... I went back to the original mail too and looked at it, and can see
>no hint of a mention of taping over other peoples tapes. Strange.

Sorry Keith, my mistake entirely.  I apologise unreservedly.

>And Kevan, I didn't particularly mean sending the track list to the list
>immediately. It could be done after the tapes have arrived, it was just out
>of interest to see what other people have put on the tapes - I'm sure it
>would be interesting.

Well, I suppose people who would rather wait for the tapes to reach them
could always delete the message without reading it.  I do agree that it
would be interesting to see which bands/songs appear most often across
everyone's tapes, but I'm happy to find out the slow way.

Kevan

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From ooon at xxx.th  Tue Jul 21 16:28:17 1998
From: ooon at xxx.th (oon)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:28:17 +0700
Subject: Sinister: Ticket Help Please
Message-ID: <35B4B391.4AC3@samart.co.th>


sorry to bother you all, but i need to book the B&S London ticket.
i've called Stargreen but they don't accept my VISA card cos it's
not registered from Britain or something which i don't really
understand.  

can someone please get a ticket for me?  i can send you a 
UK cheque (i still have Lloyds bank account).  
i'm afraid the tickets will be sold out :(

anyone can help please email me, thanks!
oon xxx
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From stephenl at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 17:15:34 1998
From: stephenl at xxx.uk (Stephen Landamore)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:15:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: UK gigs!
Message-ID: <35B4BEA6.2D3A@arcam.co.uk>


Katrina & David, I love you and want to have your children!!!

News about the tickets has really made my day! now I've just ordered my
London ticket from stargreen & that has really REALLY made my day!

Whooo hoooo!


Only another month and a half to go til the new album... ooh, I'm
excited!


Katrina (David?): will we be able to order copies of the new album
through Jeepster? I ask since the London date is the same day the album
is released, and knowing my luck I won't get the album from my local
shops in time to listen to it before the gig...


I saw B&S in Manchester last xmas, and even if these gigs are only half
as good, it will be a totally magical experience. Folks, you've GOT to
go along! (Of course, you didn't need me to tell you that, did you? :-)

-stephen
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From shop at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 17:58:47 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:58:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: UK gigs!
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Stephen Landamore wrote:

> News about the tickets has really made my day! now I've just ordered my
> London ticket from stargreen & that has really REALLY made my day!

cool! :)

> Katrina (David?): will we be able to order copies of the new album
> through Jeepster? I ask since the London date is the same day the album
> is released, and knowing my luck I won't get the album from my local
> shops in time to listen to it before the gig...

we will be selling them via mail-order but we are unsure whether we have
any at the gigs. it's probably unlikely though because if we sell one
hundred, none of them will count for the chart! :(
we might be tempted to sell the heavy vinyl format of the album though,
but this is only an idea and may not happen, as usual <yawn> we'll keep
you posted.

> I saw B&S in Manchester last xmas, and even if these gigs are only half
> as good, it will be a totally magical experience. Folks, you've GOT to
> go along! (Of course, you didn't need me to tell you that, did you? :-)

surely you'd agree that manchester wasn't their finest showing, but if
their bout of rehearsing brings about the expected changes you may be
seeing them perform twice as well as you have to date (and yes, that
includes being better than the epic gigs like the borderline one).

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From shop at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 18:05:05 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:05:05 +0100
Subject: [Fwd: Sinister: Ticket Help Please]
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sorry, i should've sent this to the list too to ease your fears!

david k
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From gary at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 18:01:24 1998
From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:01:24 +0100
Subject: Sinister: "Am not wearin' dead mans pants".
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Keith Watson wrote .....


> I'd just like to say I'd generally agree that most of these Scottish bands
> are shite, Arab Strap and Mogwai have a couple of moments and
> show promise,
> but the rest yeah, mainly pants.

Like most things, it's just down to personal taste, not every band from
Scotland can be good, some are great some are shite. Personally I think
Mogwai and Arab Strap are brilliant on the whole, but thats just my opinion
and thats all it is.

Rod Begbie wrote ....

> Whatever happens to all those stars of Australian soap operas who
> release one record which does piss-all in the top 40 hit parade and then
> disappear back to relative obscurity.  Where are you now Stefan Dennis?=20
> Gayle & Gillian?  Craig McLachlan and Check-1-2.

Craig Mclauchlan was in Bugs until this new series .... not that I watch it
mind.

Adrian Evans wrote ....

> >Some suggest a new two-album deal with an unspecified label, others
> >imminent retirement".
>
> Could he not go back to being a consumer monkey ?

Nah, don't you remember, John Stapleton and his nosey wife kept beating him
to all the consumer reports.

Lickle Sarah wrote ...

> I'm glad I have no opinion about the Smiths. I have a tape of them but
> only listened to it once so far. S'alright. I just think Morrisey sounds
> amazingly like what Mr Bean must sound like when singing. *shrugs*
> Sorry.

I can take or leave them, they're OK, but ever so slightly overrated,
Morrisey's solo career isn't/wasn't much cop at all though, with the
exception of a few good singles.

> As for teh cheap shot towards the Manics...SHUT UP! How come James had a
> beard in '94 and looked so good, and now he has a beard and looks...
> silly... Sean suits his beard. Nicky...depends on what mood you are
> in,...and james....should shave NOW NOW NOW! I think it's great they've
> gone and done it though. i mean what was the last thing you thought
> they'd do...

James had a beard in 91/92 and it looked shit then. Just take a look at the
video for Motrcycle Emptiness to see how silly they looked.

Kevan Cooke wrote .....

> And two weeks ago he went for an job interview in Runcorn and who did he
> see on the platform?  Louise Woodward.  You know, the baby shaking nanny.

My mate saw her shopping in Chester.

> The best I can do is that I saw Ron Dixon from Brookside in a pub once.

He used to be member of Brackenwood golf club before he hit the "big time".
To the older generation he was hilarious, to mine he was an annoying unfunny
twat. he and Mick Johno can often be spotted in the main stand at Tranmere
home games as well, or Yates in Birkenhead.

I've met Ian Broudie, at a Manics gig in Liverpool and I gave Mike Peters of
the Alarm and his wife a golf lesson.

Gary

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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 18:10:21 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:10:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: London Ticket Prices
Message-ID: <35B4CB7D.4E95C9B2@jeepster.co.uk>


hi all,

i've had a few people mail me and ask whether they are being ripped off
as Stargreen are charging 12 pounds per ticket for the london gig.

basically, it's ten pounds for the ticket plus a two pound booking fee
per ticket plus 50p postage (up to 5 tickets and then i think they do
them registered at 4.75 pounds!)

hope that clears up any confusion.

cheers,
Katrina.
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From d.barker at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 18:14:30 1998
From: d.barker at xxx.uk (Cassell Professional Publishing)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:14:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: another expression of ticket joy
Message-ID: <001601bdb4cb$19d82b80$7b65e4d4@server>


This is probably going to really start annoying anyone who can't make it to
the concerts, but it's just *so* exciting! It's been a horrendous day at
work, my knee is a disaster, but just the fact that I have a ticket for
September makes it all worthwhile.

Hi Debbie! it is indeed David of old Ruth notoriety here. Your tape has got
me through the last few months, especially Wrong Love. What's happened to
that one? What's happened to the Middle Distance Runner, as well?

Would anyone object if a six week old baby comes to the concert in London?
It should be born any day now, and its parents would like to bring it along.
I'm only asking because the last wedding I went to was butchered, atmosphere
wise, by a screaming infant. Is the Shepherds bush empire big enough for a
baby not to matter?
If anyone objects violently, let me know.

Has anyone read The Wind-up Bird Chronicle by Haruki Murakami? It is truly
the best book I've read in years. Every single thing that happens in it is
totally bizarre, but the narrator is the most laid-back guy in the world,
and refuses to be fazed by anything. It makes you laugh and cry and all that
stuff. And it's piss easy to read, as well.

Went to see Jerry Seinfeld at the Palladium the other night: the best
opening to any show I've ever seen. A three minute standing ovation, then
twenty seconds of silence, followed by the line:

You know what I like about the Chinese people?

Perhaps you had to be there...

Time Out today describes David Gedge's new project as sounding a bit like
Belle and Sebastian. This sounds as likely as Peter Hook's new project
sounding like Billie, but there you go.

Why are journalists so lazy?

Take care,

DAVID

















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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 18:44:47 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:44:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: NOT another expression of ticket joy. GRRRRRRRR.
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Harrumph.

oooooh how i hate you all. not really, but i am *so* jealous that everyone
is getting to go to the gigs and none of them are happening anywhere near
me. as usual. <sob>

please stop. its not fair. i'm going to go and make up a tape now, that's
what i always do when i feel sad.

love,
Debbie x

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From rnorth at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 20:38:54 1998
From: rnorth at xxx.uk (Sweet & Tender Hooligan)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:38:54 +0000
Subject: Sinister: I don't want to stay....
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OK, thanx for the advice, Smiths-fans.  I bought that Rogan 
biogrophay today and it's damned fine.  Very engrossing.

Stargreen haven't even printed the Shep Bush tix yet but I've paid 
for them and should get them soon.

Oh joy!

Northy


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From honey at xxx.net  Tue Jul 21 19:40:16 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:40:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: PLEASE READ: help Sinister
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Hello wee Sinisterons,

I'm getting a little worried about the list, and I wonder if some of
you could pat my head and tell me not to?  Looking to the future, a
few people have commented that with the upcoming LP and tours, we may
get a very large influx of red-faced weeping excited new fans (unless
of course the gigs are crap and the new LP stinks).  I'm quaking a
little in my booties because, as you know, the list is run on
"borrowed" resources, both my time and more importantly my employer's
hardware.  I want to be able to keep running this list, but I need
help from you lot.

This month we've had 750 postings to the list - with 500 members on
average that's over a third of a million mail messages my machine has
sent out this month.  It blew my socks off too.  And it's summer.
Now I've had a number of people recently mailing me, telling me the
same and asking me to do something, that some of this email is
unnecessary and of minority interest, i.e. 1 or 2 other people.  I
keep refraining from saying anything publically as it'll put off all
you shy things who haven't said much, but there are a few who are
posting little messages to each other like ping-pong.

I've recently mailed a few people asking them to hold back a little
and give others breathing space, and I hope they will, for the good
of all, pay attention.  I'm going to keep doing this for a while and
see if it gets anywhere, and will take action if necessary if people
don't respond.  This will undoubtedly make me Pig Of The List, and
all I can say is please don't take it personally, I'm doing it to
make this thing survive.

It's a very hard balance to strike, this.  We mustn't all feel we
need to post solely about the band but this is NOT a general music
list, there are plenty of other lists with much better resources to
do this, and you can join them, or indeed are welcome to make your
own list.  It's a community, and anything *thought out* and that you
know will be of interest to others is welcome.  HOWEVER, long-running
debates about the Smiths, or indeed which bands you think are crap
are out of place here if they encourage sourness (as someone said)
and little scrappy fights that go on and on.  Note the "long-running"
- it's up to you to cut these short or take them offline and talk
amongst yourselves; and of course it's fine to talk about other bands
you think might be of interest to others.  But messages that you
could send to a friend or two privately, or indeed messages which you
think make you look smart, are out of place here.

I've said it a lot of times and I'll keep saying it, it's up to you
to THINK before you post and not send out smart two line quips.  Go
look at the archives of the early days of this list, and please read
the FAQ on the WWW site for rules of how to use this list.  If you're
posting more than 1 or just *maybe* 2 mails a day, or two-line
replies, I'd hazard a guess you aren't thinking before hitting send,
and aren't helping the list's chances of survival.  Go away and have
a think and package all your thoughts up into one mail please.  It's
a lot more efficient and makes it easier for the rest of us to read
or skip.

There's a few things I can do if this doesn't work, to protect my job
and the quality of the list: 

1. kill/suspend the list

2. restrict membership to a certain number which will have the effect
of not letting you back on if you unsubscribe (unfortunately)

3. suspend people's ability to post who go "over quota" in a week.  

Frankly I think these range from sad to stupid, and require more
effort for me, but I will do them if nothing else works.  It's up to
the few to respond and the rest of you (who I *know* like foxes and
furry things with floppy ears and don't like fights) to politely make
your feelings felt, NOT to the list, but to individuals you feel
aren't making it easy on the list - copy your mails to me personally
if you want.  Otherwise I feel I'm fighting in isolation here, feel
like I'm a miserable moan, and the list just won't be able to keep
going that much longer.

The other danger is of course that I'll keep having to post these
messages and just get fed up doing it - I'm supposed to be having fun
here too!

Thank you for erm, listening,
Honey xxx

P.S. Some people are still hitting "reply" to messages to the list
so I'm having to forward them.  I'm going to stop now so your messages
will be lost.  Please read the FAQ.

P.P.S. Debbie (Prior) - please mail me and check your incoming mail.
Ta.

Peee S. I had no volunteers to coordinate tapes and just three to do
recordings, all UK, and I don't think it's fair or sustainable for
them to get loaded with doing the world's tapes, so I'm afraid I'm
going to just remove references to taping from my WWW site and
requests will just hit the list.  Strikes against the spirit of this
message a bit but it's all I can do - let's hope we don't get a
massive swell in September.

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From paula at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 21 19:08:46 1998
From: paula at xxx.uk (paula wiseman)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:08:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The tour..
Message-ID: <35B4D92D.ED0DC60@hannoncom.prestel.co.uk>


I am gutted that I can't get to any of the 3 dates of the new tour. I
would go to London if it was at the weekend. Oh well, never mind.
Is it right that there will be some more dates added soon?

One last thing, could anyone please tell me where I could find some
chords for, "Judy and the Dream of Horses"? I'd be eternally grateful!

Paula xx



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From Lzylnepntr at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 20:10:24 1998
From: Lzylnepntr at xxx.com (Lzylnepntr at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:10:24 EDT
Subject: Sinister: camera obscura.....looper!
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hey everybody! im looking for a copy of camera obscura and looper..if anyone
has a copy of either or, please email me back for a trade or whatever..thanks!
y
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From r.north at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 20:38:59 1998
From: r.north at xxx.com (Richard North)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:38:59 -0700
Subject: Fwd: Re: Sinister: Northy raps his way to uni
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Subject: Sinister: Northy raps his way to uni
Author:  "Richard North"  at X-MAIL
Date:    2/26/98 9:21 AM


Look out Bangor I'm on my way
And keep yer distance if you're gay
I'll need new pals and a piece of ass
But kiss my butt all you working class

Papa has dished out sheds of wedge
my student living will be 'on the edge'
His conglom has sponsored our new halls
we'll have pictures of Cerys on everyone's walls

I'll roll up spliffs in the union caff
burn 'Das Kapital' for a laff
I'll keep my stroke-mags to myself
till I sneak them on the library shelf

The 'Scurge of Lefties' will be my name
Tag will beg to bask in my fame
I'll buy this list & sell it you back
I'll be a real pain in Paul's nutsac

Bar or Biscuit? Laugh or Cackle!
You won't believe the size of my Big Tackle
We'll catch the catfish with a wee net
the salacious results will be the talk of TweeNet

Of such pisspoor rhyming I'm not worthy
Ha! screw you, jack, my name's NORTHY

(rhyme needs additional mixing time in the studio)




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From jossleag at xxx.ie  Tue Jul 21 21:19:35 1998
From: jossleag at xxx.ie (Joss & Leagues)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:19:35 +0100
Subject: Sinister: time to shut me yap, i reckons
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> turt said:
> >She sure is purty. But she's gonna die like a dawg
> O for fuck's sake, crown this man...
I'm not entirely happy with Joss' rejoinder, and would have preferred a
private email that didn't tend to make me look like an apologist for women
beaters in front of 500+ people who don't know me

It would appear that Turt's misinterpretation was based on my foul tongue.
The link to women beating seems extremely tenuous to me, and I would like
to stress that it was not what I intended. Frankly, I was rather impressed.
O well. Open mouth, insert both feet...

joss

PS I know this is of minority interest, but if someone feels I have
offended them to the whole list, I feel it necessary to make matters clear.
And I like my Looper record.


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From jjones at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 23:45:09 1998
From: jjones at xxx.com (Jen Jones)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:45:09 -0600
Subject: Sinister: Scottish Rock.
Message-ID: <35B519F5.5D627ACF@schwinn.com>


Now, I am not worldly.  In fact, I have only ever been to Ontario Canada
and was only because it was 20 minutes from Detroit.  But I know that
some of the best pop music of the late 80's and early 90's came from the
British Isle and I believe most was of Scottish decent:

1) POOH STICKS:  My chihuahua is under the impression that Sweet Baby
James was written for him.  You see, when Linus was a wee little guy (
weighing only 3 pounds when I brought him home) I sang to him all the
time and "..who loves ya' pretty baby" was perfect.(if you sing to your
animals they have better self esteem).  I swear that he knows the 7"
'cus he starts running around when he sees the sleeve.

2) VASELINES:  Tell me that Frances couldn't get you outta your seat!
Dum-Dum was divinely inspired and yet no animals were sacraficed to
insure this vinyl gem was as flawless as this.  When most bands were
trying to deny their pop heritage this ensemble were defying it.  Only
love could tear 'em apart.  Bless them for sharing with us a vision of
pop ectasy.

3) TEENAGE FANCLUB:  Let's not judge by where they are but by where they
have been:
    flashback 1992:  TFC come to Detroit.  Opening are Superchuck on
their No Pocky  tour. I went not expecting much but left floating on the
yummiest pop cloud ever accumulated.  In the dehydrating times of
Soundgarden and Helmet, TFC was a tall, cool drink of water.  My heart
DID do flip-flops whenever they were near.
    fast-foward to 1994: In '94 I was able to meet them on the 13 tour.
Brendon O'Hare ( bless his heart) was just like a dream.  Norman was so
kind you could've eaten him up and been full forever.  I never really
for getting rid of Brendon-sure he was a loose cannon but I loved that
guy!  GranPrix was rewarding in ways I had forgottan possible.
    Reality check circa 1997: I wish, however, I would have stayed away
when they played here last summer.  Bless their hearts, Denver wasn't
receptive. For goodness sakes! it was free and nobody came.  Seeing them
up there playing to an empty hall singing Alcholiday was actually
depressing.  I hope that they find success in knowing at least they
touch this american, ya know?

and i must agree with Rich in regards to the BMX Bandits " Serious
Drugs".  Someday a boy will cut off a finger if I wanted ( i wouldn't
require it, of course, but the sentiment will be there)

Okay, post two accomplished, back to work. ( p.s. I'm gonna try to send
this with out all the nspb crap)

jen

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From el0007 at xxx.edu  Wed Jul 22 00:24:36 1998
From: el0007 at xxx.edu (Erin Lewis)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:24:36 -0700
Subject: Sinister: a message a day keeps the Honey away! (snigger)
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From mick at xxx.com  Wed Jul 22 03:40:09 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:40:09 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Thank you Honeypaul!
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Hiya,
	I think everyone on this list owes a big round of thank-you's to the
list manager, Paul aka Honey. In fact, I was just discussing with
someone not an hour ago the woes of the indiepop list, and how it would
be so much nicer if the person who ran it tried to make it more like the
B&S list. Anyway, thank you Honey! Everyone should try to thank Honey!
BUT, it wouldn't do just to write to the list and say nothing but thank
you. Here are some examples of clever ways of working a thank-you into
your post.

1. "I'm so excited, I just bought my ticket. Oh and thanks Honey!"

2. "Ouch! I just dropped a jug of brownish liquid on my foot. It hurts
immenseley, and I wanted to write an ink polaroid about it. But first:
Thank you Honey!"

3. "Canada good, Scotland bad. Smiths good, Morrissey bad. Adjectives
good, articles bad. Honey good, Mick bad."

and finally...

4. "The top ten things my *THANK YOU HONEY* cat has vomitted on in the
past week, annotated with the corresponding action a newt would have
taken:
#1: The hallway..." 

Number 4 is kinda subliminal, eh?

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From suzsch at xxx.net  Wed Jul 22 06:58:55 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:58:55 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Goo Goo dolls
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> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:04:15 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jessica Murphy <jmurphy at xxx.Edu>
> Subject: Re: Sinister: People won't accept....
> 
> On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Suzanne Schroeder wrote:
> 
> > My top 10 list of artists who should give it up and go home:
> > 
> > 5.  goo Goo Dolls
> 
> 
> Oh, I know... If I have to hear that song from the "City of Angels"
> soundtrack ONE MORE TIME...

I want everyone to look at their latest video and agree with me (well, you
DON'T have to agree with me or that will be anti-existentialist) but the
Goo Goo Dolls are the new Bon Jovi:

1.  Lead singer's hair cuts have nice layer-y texture to them and are the
same hair color.
2.  Dolls have no other career except for making bloated singles for
movies...Bon Jovi did this and starrred in a few to boot.
3.  "Meaningful" lyrics.


Only 3 points, but very damning.  Even OJ Simpson couldn't get convicted on
it, which tells you how compelling it is!

BTW:  what the heck is the Moz obsession on this group about?  I figure
there would be a bit of a crossover, but gee-golly wilikers.  I'm a fan
too, but it's weird to come here and see it here, also.

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From rnorth at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 22 09:57:38 1998
From: rnorth at xxx.uk (Sweet & Tender Hooligan)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:57:38 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Doh!
Message-ID: <199807220742.IAA11649@zeus.netdirect.net.uk>


Just to say thanx to David & Katrina for keeping up the insanely 
efficient Jeepster mailing list.

Thanx

Northy


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From ronbarrett at xxx.ie  Wed Jul 22 08:16:00 1998
From: ronbarrett at xxx.ie (Barrett R)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:16 +0200 (CET-DST)
Subject: Sinister: 10 Reasons why Bernard Sumner is great
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A few people have been a bit rude, if funny too, about the lovely Barney, so 
here goes:

1    He was in Joy Division.  Too dark for many, myself included most of the 
time, but anyone who appeared on the likes of "Atmosphere" and "Love Will 
Tear Us Apart" is doing something right.

2    That Voice.  Not to everyone's taste it seems, but if you want 
technically good vocals try Simply Red.  I prefer a bit of emotion, in the 
same way that the slower version of "Seeing Other People" is great because 
of and not in spite of the slightly off vocals.

3    Technique.  Best album of the eighties.  I know I'm the only person 
alive who thinks this, but bloody sod yer.

4    True Faith.  "I feel so extraordinary" is the most uplifting line in a 
song ever.  Great video too.

5    Electronic.  The album that started it all for me.  I quite liked music 
up to this point, but this started the obsessiveness.  Some of it hasn't 
dated well, but anyone who doesn't like "Get The Message" doesn't like 
music.

6    World In Motion.  Saying it's the best footy record ever is like saying 
Hale is funnier than Pace I know, but it is.

7    His guitar.  Tragically underused in New Order, but when it is the 
results are fantastic.  See "Regret" or "Love vigilantes".

8    Thieves Like Us
9    Bizarre Love Triangle    
10   I'll get me coat too.

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From John.Stuart at xxx.com  Wed Jul 22 09:06:19 1998
From: John.Stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart/mail+schedule)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:06:19 -0700
Subject: Sinister: B&S Gigs
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Are there more UK gigs to be announced?  I.e.  Where's the fucks the
Scottish dates?!
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From aevans at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 22 11:21:26 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:21:26 +0100
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Firstly Northy bumped into Thom Yorke at Texaco buying 15 KitKats and a family sized bucket of Doritos.....

Then Kevan Cookes brother had a brief encouter of the Anorak variety with
Damon and Justine.....

Colin Campbell Absolutely pissed himself when Stotty parked his car in wait for it.....a car park....

Debbie Prior nearly got herself on a murder one charge after stepping on Sandy Toksvic outsode number 73......

and then there was old Dave saw Sandy and upped Carol Vorderman.

I'm sorry...none of you have lived.

When I was seven, and I need Stella Hopkins to add some weight to this (coo hoo no pun intended), I had the undeniably overwhelming pleasure of meeting Gus Honeybun.  Who ? GUS HONEYBUN...You can stick your Ed the Duck up your broom cupboard, Gus Honeybuns Magic Birthdays was the just the bollocks.  A 5 minute childrens prog on Westward/TSW/Westcountry TV where drug crazed 3 year olds asked a demented rabbit to press a magic button...upon which he would launch himself headfirst (primarily because he had no arms but don't let that detract from the image) into a lever which would cause the whole TV screen to go Psychadelic mannnnnnn....

Frankly poor alternatives to the magic button were BunnyHops (not the BMX variety, though I firmly believe this is where the phrase originated) where said demented rabbit launched himself up and down like a....demented rabbit.  

And then there was the wink - You could have the number of winks that corresponded to your birthday.  I personally think it was a coded message to kids as to where they could meet him so he could supply them with copious LSD.

I met said rabbit in my school playground, and was scarred for life when I found out that he had actually all along had Judy Spires arm up his arse.

You haven't lived until you've lived in Devon.


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From MctaggartR at xxx.com  Tue Jul 21 18:03:46 1998
From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:03:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Keith and Stephen, in a tree.  K!I!S!S!I!N!G!
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Hello young lovers,

I'd sit down for a while, it's enormous (as it were).

There's a taste sensation.  And it's sweeping the nation.  Firstly
Jessica wrote:

>"Wings of Desire" is one of my long-time recommendations.

then Joss wrote:

>I'm listening to that Impressions compilation on kent and it
>is truly the finest thing ever.

Both these statements win the Tag kitemark of approval.  I didn't like
"Wings of desire" when I first saw it, and I can only assume I was mad.
It's got Columbo in it, and Nick Cave too, and as if that wasn't enough,
it is beautiful.  The sequel, "Far away, so close" is tops too, even U2
can't spoil it, especially with the presence of Nastassja "prrrrOWWW"
Kinski.  I bought the Impressions compilation by accident, and it blew
my socks off.  Come the revolution, anyone who can listen to "You always
hurt me" and not dance like a fiend and cry real tears should be shot
(with a water pistol, I hasten to add).

In the light of all this wanton tastefulness, Killjoy Keith had to spoil
it all by writing:

>och, The Pastels are crap

Keith, if the Pastels are so crap, why were you standing at Hillhead
Station with grinning all over your face when Stephen Pastel was there?
It's because you can't wait to rip off his duffle coat and do the wild
thing, isn't it?  Personally, the Pastels rock my world, and always
have.

What else is new?  Class war?  How did that happen?  As far as I'm
concerned, bleating about being middle class and no-one understanding
you is akin to singing "it's 'orrible being in love when you're eight
and a half".  It may seem like you're hard done by, but grown-ups have
it worse.  Anyway, since I started going to those simply divine garden
parties at Lord Northy's country manor, I think the middle class are
scum.  Talking of Northy...

>This really was a wasted mail wasn't it?

No mail from you is wasted, Northy.  Not when I can close my eyes and
imagine your resonant baritone uttering every word.

Miller wrote:

>Don't worry about whether a film is French or not before including it
>in your Top Ten French Films. No one else is worrying about it, Le >Pen
would have a fit!

With this in mind, here are my top ten French films.  Obviously, I am
doing this because I am "going for more cred points by recommending
particularly cool/obscure" films "which are probably not much cop
anyway, by the way", and not because I thought you might like to know,
cos they're good.  Actually, it's neither, I'm just bored, and tomorrow
I'll remember a load of stuff I'd forgotten.

1  Gregory's girl
2  Time of the gypsies
3  400 blows
4  My life as a dog
5  Kitchen  
6  Chungking express
7  The Tennant
8  Kes
9  Une femme est une femme
10 Mean streets

Ian Turton wrote:

>I have emailed Joss privatately on this. If I anyone else was
>offended, I apologise. As I explained to Joss, the line is taken from
>'The Day to Day', the spoof TV news program fronted (and partly
>created) by Chris Morris (of Brasseye fame), and is spoken by a
>minister appointed to oversee the execution of a female arsonist in
>the Deep South. I'm not entirely happy with Joss' rejoinder, and >would
have preferred a private email that didn't tend to make
>me look like an apologist for women beaters in front of 500+ people 

If it's any help Ian, I recognised the quote from "The Day Today".  I
also recognised the title of Joss' rejoinder as being from the same
programme.  I think maybe you overreacted....ooh...just slightly.  Does
this mean you are no longer our lovin' uncle?  I hope not.  We all need
some lovin'.

And finally my favourite signature of the day:

Peter Larsson wrote:

>Peter Larsson
>
>Peter Larsson

So good they named him twice.

I snog you,
Tag xxx

PS  7 crushes?  You people are sick.  Except one.
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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Wed Jul 22 10:31:02 1998
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:31:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: TDK D46
In-Reply-To: <E0yycnO-0000jV-00@neodymium.btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <0202311022071998/A17099/ADVAX1/11C7B29F0000*@MHS>


 >>I saw grant stot, formerly of bbc's exciting sunday morning kiddies' show
>>fully booked, and other assorted scottish programs in edinburgh today. >>He
was parking his car in the car park beside bristo square. >>I do have an
exciting life, don't I?

>More exciting than meeting Thom Yorke in a filling-station.

>Well i met Nordic dwarf Sandy Toksvic (or however you spell it) of 80s kids
>CITV & Who's Line Is It Anyway fame at Glasgow airport once. Now *that's*
>exciting.

Well I've met Tommy Boyd. Not the crap scottish footballer bu the crap english
kid's TV presenter. Think he did the Wide-Awake club with Michaela Strachan.

So you can keep you're 'i've met Bernard Butler' and 'i've met the pope'.

Rich

"Why am I a political prisoner? HELLO! I just kicked a cartoon mouse in the
butt. Do I have to spell it out?"

-Homer j Simpson

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 22 11:55:39 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:55:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: boredom boredoooom, ba-dum ba-dum
Message-ID: <JusXkFArUct1EwGk@elsato97.demon.co.uk>


Hello my Simple things....

Argh! What a Summer Wasting this is eh...I was going to have a great
time, Sleep the Clock Around, perhaps even take a Rollercoaster Ride,
but PISH! to that! Is It Wicked Not To Care about Seymour Stein? He's
not looming high in MY life anymore :(

And do you know who's fault it is? Its all (er, who shall I blame) MY
SECRET LIST CRUSHES FAULT!!! It Could Have Been A Briliant Career if it
wasn't for That Boy With The Arab Strap, telling me to just 'Ease Your
Feet Into The Sea, and it will all get better'! I thought, oh fuck, not
again, and had a Spaceboy Dream - I didn't realise that I was talking in
my sleep, untill MY SECRET LIST CRUSH shouted, 'Come on!! Where's the
Chick Factor?!?' And woke me up, the flatulent rhino fart. So I just lay
back and thought of HoneyPaulie, and soon it was Dirty Dream #2 all over
again...Wa-HEY!

ba-dum ba-dum....gosh, aren't I witty and amusing? RHETORICAL QUESTION
DON'T ANSWER!

Northy? You are insane. Not in a good way. The new Manics single is
absholutely fabuloush, and strangely enough, I MEAN that. YEEY! Is my
stepmother getting up!! Can I actually pick up mails!!! OH....poo no she
isn't. Drat. Anyway YES SHE IS! YEEY! But Northy - you shall see the
folly of thy ways and all such hey nonny...
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From peter at xxx.se  Wed Jul 22 13:09:40 1998
From: peter at xxx.se (Peter Larsson)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:09:40 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Benno
Message-ID: <l03102802affa52209c2d@[193.45.143.56]>


Hello all!

Just want to give you a tip on a good site called Benno
http://www.benno.com/ . Benno is a music zine dedicated to the independent
music scene and the punk-rock/DIY ideals and based in Sweden. All in
English. Take a look. It's very good. In the archive you find a article
about Belle & Sebastian in Stokage nr 18. Enjoy!

/Peter Larsson


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From keith at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 22 13:02:48 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:02:48 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Keith and Stephen, in a tree.  K!I!S!S!I!N!G!
Message-ID: <004b01bdb568$a52036e0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


>Keith, if the Pastels are so crap, why were you standing at Hillhead
>Station with grinning all over your face when Stephen Pastel was there?
>It's because you can't wait to rip off his duffle coat and do the wild
>thing, isn't it?  Personally, the Pastels rock my world, and always
>have.


But Tag, I explained this to you at the time, the reason for my grin was
cause I said to you how funny it would be if I just leaped over and belted
him one on the chin.

    Who's all going to the shows and fancies a bit of a meet up, I'm
personally gonna be going to Leeds and London and it'd be cool to see all
the people about, I guess there's a lot more people now than there were when
we all went marching around Manchester at Christmas. We'll all have to work
out where we're going to go after the gig too so's that we can have a laugh.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From buffalo at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 22 13:39:32 1998
From: buffalo at xxx.uk (Ian Turton)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:39:32 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Lee Remick (she's a darlin')
References: <v01530502630b6e5a425a@[194.125.11.136]>
Message-ID: <35B5DD83.CA3A11E@easynet.co.uk>


> > turt said:

a load of reactionary old cack. And he's very sorry. Hoping plasters will
suffice. Joss is good. I know this now.

Anyway, I promised something quite beyond the gift of my giving. Namely a
posting worth the steam off my piss. Well, let's start with something
constructive. Best place to meet for the London gig listees IMPO is upstairs at
the Bushranger on Goldhawk Road. There's better places per se, but
geographically it works. Everyone could meet round my house actually, but I
wouldn't like to, er, impose my hospitality on anyone. Well I would, but
Christ, if no-one turned up, what a fool I'd look like.Still, again.

Lindsay (s'a girl IYFI) is fast asleep on my settee. She really likes country
music and Donna Summmmmmmmer. She's gonna die like an angel. Anyways up, George
Strait's greatest hits ('Great Strait') is racked up on the CD. Pretty much in
hog heaven, with some kind of Moroccan jamboree to follow. Preciate evathin,
peeple.

Except one.


aseververymuchyourluvinuncleTurt

ps. Guitar solos. J Mascis is rather good at this palaver isn't he  ?

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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Wed Jul 22 14:37:16 1998
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:37:16 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Lee Remick (she's a darlin')
Message-ID: <f2c0cff6.35b5eb0d@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-07-22 08:41:07 EDT, you write:

> 
>  ps. Guitar solos. J Mascis is rather good at this palaver isn't he  ?


Gosh, I walked into a club once when Dinosaur Jr. were performing and I could
not believe his playing -- it was like a living thing, and the floor and walls
were actually vibrating.  I don't know ... but I have never ever been hit by a
guitar so incredibly strong and SO LOUD -- it wasn't the loud that assaults
your ears at all, but it actually shook my insides completely it was so ...
intense.  It was completely physical. I was amazed, and had to keep taking
small breaks outside because the air inside was just dense with the music he
was making.  It was as if it was alive and held everyone in a web it was
weaving -- no one was moving.  Scary/amazing. There are other guitarists I
have liked way more, but there is no denying that he is great at what he does.
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From bferneyhough at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 22 14:56:20 1998
From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (Ben Ferneyhough)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:56:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Get those tickets.
Message-ID: <199807221356.OAA17100@brookes.ac.uk>


Hi all, just heard Jo Whiley announce the new B&S album title on Radio 1, and 
she then went on to name the 3 dates so far confirmed, so all of you dithering 
about whether to get tickets should do so pretty sharpish, especially the Leeds 
and Nottingham dates, as they are both quite small venues. I thought she was 
going to play a track off the album, but no, Beck came on instead, oh well.
 
Ben.
 
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From janine at xxx.com  Wed Jul 22 16:59:55 1998
From: janine at xxx.com (Janine Papp)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:59:55 -0500
Subject: Sinister: sadness!
Message-ID: <v03110704b1dbbc701473@[192.168.9.14]>


Oh I am so sad... everyone I work with is sick of hearing Belle and
Sebastian all the time, and my boss just said to me "No more Belle and
Sebastian, we're sick of this shit."  I said "I quit."  He laughed.  I
guess that means he didn't take my resignation seriously.  :(

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Wed Jul 22 17:59:14 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:59:14 +0200
Subject: Sinister: One a Day
Message-ID: <01bdb592$0e776400$394b05c3@itjfvkli>


Special hugs to Paul today :-)

Before getting down to some serious business, may I just register the
immensity of my joy at the very thought of giving Mike Peters of The Alarm
and his wife a golf lesson. Has his wife got the same haircut? Magick!

Katrina, could you post the birthdays of the band members again please? I've
just had a look in the archives, but I couldn't find it. I have an inkling
that it's Struan B. Midriff's birthday soon, and I want to send a handmade
card with some poems in it.

Speaking of which, The Knack And How to Get It features a track called "Mr
Tight Trousers". Funny, eh?

Today is like Christmas, I've got THREE new LPs to listen to: Brian Wilson,
The Who and Tommy Hunt. I don't know what to make of the Brian Wilson one, I
think I'll probably like it more when I've grown up. Except for the new Let
Him Run Wild, which made me stop dead in my tracks and look at the stereo.

That tiny little baby really must go to the concert, Ruth. But bear in mind
what happened when that stray kitten wondered into the vocal booth.

Shall we have bets on how long it's going to take for the concerts to sell
out? I reckon Monday afternoon. Why isn't Keith going to Nottingham? Is he
scared of all the big tough Midlanders? I can relate to that, we are huge.

Peter

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From shop at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 22 17:38:52 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:38:52 +0100
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: signed copy of tigermilk in internet charity auction
Message-ID: <35B6159C.4E894148@jeepster.co.uk>


stevie jackson from belle and sebastian has decided to auction his copy
of tigermilk for the Gartnavel Hospital in Glasgow. all the proceeds
from the auction will be donated to the Infectious Diseases Unit where
there is a fund toward building a relaxation garden for the patients.

this copy os tigermilk is signed by all eight members of the band and is
in mint condition. tigermilk is belle and sebastian's first album and
was limited to 1,000 copies only on vinyl as part of a music course run
by Stow College in Glasgow.

the auction will take place over the internet only. you can make a bid
or check the current highest bid at
http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/auction.htm

if you don't have web access (just e-mail) then you can still bid by
mailing shop at jeepster.co.uk and including your name, your bid and a
contact phone number. please mail me for the current bid before you do
this!

the bidding has now opened (we have started with a bid from an over
eager person at UK£400) and the bidding will be closed at 5pm (GMT) on
august 8th 1998. we will contact the bidder by telephone after the
auction has closed.

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From yazansam at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 22 19:59:05 1998
From: yazansam at xxx.uk (Yaz)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:59:05 +0100
Subject: Sinister: i'm so excited
Message-ID: <199807221903.UAA13559@mailhost.dircon.co.uk>


oh, i'm so excited. my friend just rang me up. screaming. apparently Steve
Lamacq just anounced our fanzine on national radio. Waahaaay.  but he
couldn't read my handwriting for the address. ahh well.  i'm happy.  very
happy actually. and i love Steve Lamacq.  
so, for anyone on the list who does want it, the address is below (i know
some of you e-mailed me a while ago, i'm sorry i didn't reply earlier, but
we've only just finished it.)

There's interviews with the 

Bluetones, 
Cornershop (as advertised as the one that's faxed from Denver and silly me
forgot to tippex out the number)
Unbelievable Truth
Stereophonics
The Dandys 
Mainstream
AND 
there's some of the best of the worst Country and Western song titles that
someone posted to this list a while ago.  and let me tell you honey, they
are pee-in-your-pants-inducingly-funny.  

It's £3.50 to FireFly Fanzines
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Edgware
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Wed Jul 22 21:07:58 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:07:58 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Stretching Out
Message-ID: <01bdb5ac$6bc33700$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


McRagtag Mcrote:

>With this in mind, here are my top ten French films.  Obviously, I am
>doing this because I am "going for more cred points by recommending
>particularly cool/obscure" films "which are probably not much cop
>anyway, by the way", and not because I thought you might like to know,
>cos they're good

There's a question I've been wanting to ask for ages, but the subject of
French films has never come up before. I once saw this French film from
Belgium, it was the scariest film I've ever seen, really good. It was called
"The Vanishing". Does anybody know who the director is, or if it's available
on video? I would like to scare the wits out of my "other half" with it.
Another good French film is a short one called "Les Mistons", about a group
of kids who sniff a girl's bike seat while she's off snogging with her
boyfriend. Quite B&S, possibly.

Guitar solos. I'm going through a bit of a Who phase, and in the sleeve
notes to Live in Leeds there are lots of references to Pete's oppotunities
to "stretch out" during the guitar solos. So perhaps that's what we should
be looking for, the opportunity to "stretch out". By the by, Tim, the tape
I've done you is chock a block full of people "stretching out", so if you
don't like it you'll have to pass it on to a discerning rock chick. In
Preston. OK?

Peter
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From james at xxx.com  Wed Jul 22 21:17:17 1998
From: james at xxx.com (J Errington)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:17:17 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: One big chunk.
In-Reply-To: <199807201131.MAA14352@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <E0yz545-00011e-00@serv1.is2.u-net.net>


Ok, for obvious reasons I'm keeping this all in one chunk. There are some new
threads. Honest.

PJ Miller wrote:
> Quotes of the week so far: "I love that sugar rush" and "You really don't
> get punk, do you?" Both classics, the Glasgow band debate is super fun.
They would both be mine then.... ta!

Richard Connell wrote
> I know plenty of people living in bedsits who spout on about indian mysticism,
> and i think its more to do with the dope than the cosseted environment.
> Inverted snobbery is just as bad as snobbery you know. Class is only an 
> issue if you make it one.
Yeah, friends in europe have told me that europe looks as ridiculously
divided by class from outside as america does by race. Would european
subscribers agree?
> Caffreys: it really is shoddy, in-betweeny slops, the pissy taste of bad
> lager with a not so subtle hint of the pissy taste of bad bitter. A drink for those
> who, when all's said and done, would rather have their alcohol intake through 
> a drip.
Too true.

Kevan Cooke wrote:
> On French films:
> What about Subway?  Or, rather predictably, Betty Blue?
Yes, Betty Blue, I forgot about that one! Put it in at, er, about 7 or 8....

Cassell Professional Publishing (tee hee) wrote:
> I enjoyed the shoegazing discussion a while back. My favourite shoegazing
> song of all time is Mogwai's New Paths to Helicon, which pretty much defines
> the genre. I don't think they're much cop since, though.
...are you being serious here?... no, obviously not. sorry.

Seb wrote:
> What about the fantastic La Haine? (sp?)
Sorry. I didn't like La Haine. IMHO it's the film equivilent of the Low-Fi Allstars
- all attitude and no substance. I suppose it's an American sort of film (despite
being french) 

......and now for some new subjects! I have 1 statement and 2 questions:

Statement: READ THE END OF THIS MAIL HINT HINT HINT

Question 1: 
	My ubiquitous friend Adam went up to visit his (possibly ex) girlfriend
Charlie (AKA The Evil Pixie) a while back at Leeds Uni. He went around to
the flat of one of her friends and she had a copy of Tigermilk! On vinyl! Which 
she actually played! The question is, is this person on the list by any chance.
here's fingers crossed.

Question 2:
	I'm going to Austria for the first week of August and I'm making a 
B&S tape to take with me. Does anyone know what the hidden track at the
end of 3...6...9 is? Anyway, thanks.

WeeJay - Manipulating you illicitly since 1979
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From Organc3 at xxx.com  Thu Jul 23 01:40:48 1998
From: Organc3 at xxx.com (Organc3 at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:40:48 EDT
Subject: Sinister: B&S Gigs
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any word on US east coast tourdates?  or is that quite a while away?
-a.james
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From harrypalmer66 at xxx.com  Thu Jul 23 02:16:38 1998
From: harrypalmer66 at xxx.com (Richard Hutt)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:16:38 PDT
Subject: Sinister: check 1-2
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Hello list

I've been away for a while - whoring around other lists, etc. - and I 
must say, revisiting sinister is a pleasure. Class war, lust, French 
cinema - it's all so much more�.vital than some I could mention. And so 
well run. 

You can keep your Sandi Toksvigs and Tommy Boyds, because yesterday at 
lunch I sat opposite Dustin Hoffman. Unbelievable but true. He gave me 
one of those strange L.A. style "how's it going?" type combination nod 
and smile things. Unsurprisingly, I wasn't sure quite what to say to 
him. 

But I did ask Terence Stamp for his autograph in a tea-shop recently. He 
signed my napkin "all the best, Terence" and seemed a little high.

Mr. Begbie mentioned: Where are you now Stefan Dennis?
Gayle & Gillian?  Craig McLachlan and Check-1-2?

�and that was all it took to provoke me to share an odd sight from the 
Summer before last. Westminster Housing Benefit Office - a young man 
with an exceptional mullet - that is to say, hair which is short on top, 
long at back  (a.k.a. "the best of both worlds" or "safety cut") and a 
home - decorated leather jacket that was a sartorial tribute to Craig 
McLachlan and Check 1-2, covered with artful graffiti concerning the 
band, and their logo. Kind of a walking shrine, in mixed media - tipp-ex 
and red aerosol, I recall. Bear in mind this was 1996, many years after 
what passed for Craig McLachlan's prime.

Just in case I missed it while I was fannying about (is fannying an 
internationally comprehensible word?) - are they playing in America any 
time soon? B& S, that is, not Craig McLachlan and Check 1-2.

Pardon my irrelevance,


Richard


P.S. am I dreaming, or did that pre-release review just posted recommend 
the new album for Brighton Boys and people who drive down the Pacific 
Coast Highway - and does that mean the entire album is just for me, 
since in the Venn diagram I am picturing, people in those two groups 
number roughly...me?

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From Nicola4230 at xxx.com  Thu Jul 23 05:56:09 1998
From: Nicola4230 at xxx.com (Nicola4230 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:56:09 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Columbia rockin' da house
Message-ID: <eeeaefd9.35b6c26a@aol.com>


OK!!! time to apologize to the people at Columbia House, that evil CD mail-
order company... You know the ones who advertise "12 CDs for $1!!!" and only
after you send in your intial order do you realize you've sold your soul to
the devil...
Despite the fact that I owe them about $78 for some New Order Cds sent about 2
years ago, they continue to mail me catalogues and oh! how lucky, cos this
month they feature Belle and Sebastian.  Listen to this (somewhat corny and
slightly erroneous) review:

"If you buy only one album this month, *this* is the one to get!

BELLE & SEBASTIAN
4 1/2 stars - the All-Music Guide

Slouching out of Glasgow, Scotland, this seven-member group features neither a
Belle nor a Sebastian but does have the best kept secret in songwriting:
Stuart Murdoch.  His effortlessly melodic miniatures recall the classic beauty
of Nick Drake or Simon & Garfunkel while his lyrics dissect the intricate
social ups and downs of lovelorn young people with crazy dreams and small-town
frustrations.

And all of it might have remained a real secret if his friends hadn't formed a
band on a lark in 1995 and recorded the very out-of-print "Tigermilk" - now
fetching upwards of $200 for original copies - for a school business project.
After "Tigermilk," the band turned to local independent label Jeepster to
release "If You're Feeling Sinister," an album so irresistible that the word
of mouth has made it one of the top 30 sellers in a hip downtown New York
record store for the *whole year* since its first release.  Almost every Top
Ten List of 1997 had "Sinister" nestled in its upper reaches and the album is
still going strong, without a video, a tour, or a hype machine.

In a pop world where sampled beats and thundering guitars still rule, Belle
and Sebastian are throwbacks with their strings, horns and perfect songs.
But, hey, who said progress is always a good thing?

P.S. The name Belle & Sebastian comes from a '70s French animated TV show
about a boy and his dog. (The Enclave) 1997"

They are selling "IYFS" on CD for a mere $5.99 + s/h... does this mean
HoneyPaul is facing a whole new onslaught of listees? steady now...

tata,
tara
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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Thu Jul 23 08:44:07 1998
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:44:07 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: FWD: Interesting/dull? You decide
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From keith at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 23 09:26:29 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:26:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: One big chunk.
Message-ID: <002a01bdb613$97ab4620$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


>Question 1:
>My ubiquitous friend Adam went up to visit his (possibly ex) girlfriend
>Charlie (AKA The Evil Pixie) a while back at Leeds Uni. He went around to
>the flat of one of her friends and she had a copy of Tigermilk! On vinyl!
Which
>she actually played! The question is, is this person on the list by any
chance.
>here's fingers crossed.


At a wild stab in the dark I'd say no, she's not on the list - this is a
complete guess, but it's probably Guyda Armstrong, who's a friend of mine
from Edinburgh, she's down in Leeds at the moment doing a PhD in Italian or
something. She lives with some bloke who used to be in the Wedding Present -
would that be right?

>****** 19th BIRTHDAY ON THURSDAY !!!! ******


Doesn't that mean that you kind of... missed punk?

Peter said...
>Shall we have bets on how long it's going to take for the concerts to sell
>out? I reckon Monday afternoon. Why isn't Keith going to Nottingham? Is he
>scared of all the big tough Midlanders? I can relate to that, we are huge.

Oh right, I didn't really know Nottingham was in the midlands, all I really
know about it was that they had a Sheriff. 3 Belle and Sebastian concerts in
4 days would be a bit much, I thought that in Manchester when I crawled out
of bed in the hotel slamming painkillers down my throat about an hour after
the Saturday matinee had finished. Hey can I congratulate you on your WHO
phase. The WHO rule, and with that there's no doubt, mind you, I'm in a
minority party who thinks they were completely great until about 1975, where
as other people seem to think they went shit after Pete Townshend started
wearing boiler suits instead of suits. Mind you, I've got the albums and
they haven't so I suppose I'm more qualified to talk about it. I love the
WHO. I've got a funny interview when Pete's talking about competition for
attention at concerts, amongst members of the W!H!O! and he's on about how
him and Keith Moon essentially won the competition, John Entwistle didn't
really enter the competition, and Roger Daltrey just lost. Aww, never mind.
Still he was great in McVicar.


Keith.

ps: Oon's just mailed about meeting up in London, does anyone have any
bright ideas where we can go on a Monday night? Up here normally Mondays are
reserved for sort of Goth clubs and stuff where people you'd normally laugh
at go.


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From sburon at xxx.fr  Thu Jul 23 10:02:00 1998
From: sburon at xxx.fr (Stephane Buron)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:02:00 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Les berceuses d'Isobel...
Message-ID: <35B6FC02.45E2@club-internet.fr>


Hi!!!!

YYYYIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! I've just booked my tickets
for the Leeds and Nottingham concerts!!!! Unfortunately, i wont come to
London "because of real life". By the way, thinking of Stuart David, i
dont understand why we dont talk about the acoustic songs of Isobel, the
ones you can listen to on the Treehouse.. Dont you find them absolutely
wonderful? They sound like what we call in french "berceuses" (i guess
it's the same word in english, isnt it???) 
Last question about these songs : do you know whether they'll be
released on a record, one day? Anyway, i hope Isobel will sing one of
them in Leeds or in Nottingham!!!

Cheers

Stephane
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Why should I not like the way I am ? "
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From bferneyhough at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 23 11:21:16 1998
From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (Ben Ferneyhough)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:21:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: B&S in Leeds.
Message-ID: <199807231021.LAA01847@brookes.ac.uk>


Just phoned up for my tickets in Leeds, and the guy on the ticket line said 
"who are Belle and Sebastian ? are they indie ?" I had a go at putting him 
straight, and he said he'd never heard of them, but the box office had been 
swamped with calls for tickets. All good news really. Can't wait now !
 
Ben.
 
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From cleonard at xxx.COM  Thu Jul 23 12:53:06 1998
From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:53:06 +0100
Subject: Sinister: happy valley pond
Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=Murray_Johnstone%l=CARDHU-980723115306Z-6187@cardhu.murrayj.com>


I'm a bit disappointed that the B&S boat tour is not going ahead,
don't you know.  I quite fancied doing the stowaway bit and secretly
taking spy photos of captain murdoch shivering his timbre.  
"Land ahoy!", cabin boy jackson would cry, but it wouldn't really be 
land, it would be a giant sea serpent, ready to scoff the lot of them. 

But as everyone knows, sea serpents eat people whole.  So the tour 
could continue from the stomach of the sea serpent, if it could be
persuaded
to let an audience stand on it's tongue without scoffing them as well.  
Ahh, but there's a problem isn't there?  No electricity!   I guess the
easy answer 
would be to strap electric eels together in stacks of three, in a sort
of plug shape.  
How did Jonah get out of the big whale?  I can't remember.  I think he
got shoved 
through the blow hole by Pinocchio.  I'm not sure if sea serpents have a
blow hole...

....It's a little early in the day for this sort of thing.  I have a
feeling of general malaise.
I always have been a sickly boy.  I missed a lot of schooling, which
suited me fine cos 
I hated school.  No-one fancied me there either, which hey hey histories
repeating itself 
with the list crushes, you heartless manks.

leave me, 
          c
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From rclander at xxx.net  Wed Jul 22 15:26:59 1998
From: rclander at xxx.net (Richard Lander)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:26:59 +0800
Subject: Sinister: TDK D46
Message-ID: <01bdb57c$c92a32c0$33fd51ca@rclander.netfront.net>


-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Begbie <rod at xxx.com>
To: sinister at majordomo.net 
Date: 21 July, 1998 21:56
Subject: Re: Sinister: TDK D46



debbie wrote:
>> Well i met Nordic dwarf Sandy Toksvic (or however you spell it) of 80s kids
>> CITV & Who's Line Is It Anyway fame at Glasgow airport once. Now *that's*
>> exciting.


then Rod wrote:
>I'll see your Sandi Toksvig, and raise you Carol Vorderman.

I travelled in an elevator in the British Consulate with film director/producer David Puttnam. 

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From peter at xxx.se  Wed Jul 22 13:21:17 1998
From: peter at xxx.se (Peter Larsson)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:21:17 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Sweden gigs
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Hi!

Anyone heard about B&S sweden gigs? I heard a rumour that said they are
coming over in the middle of september? Is that right? If so where do they
play?

/Peter


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From d.barker at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 23 14:10:44 1998
From: d.barker at xxx.uk (Cassell Professional Publishing)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:10:44 +0100
Subject: Sinister: crooked album review
Message-ID: <000a01bdb63b$4de941e0$7b65e4d4@server>


I just found out that my friend John will be reviewing the LP for Select.

I *think* he's a fan (although he's always annoyingly ambivalent about these
things), so with luck he'll give it five boxes out of five. If I find out
that he doesn't like it (god forbid), could we perhaps bribe him to give it
top marks?

Does anyone know anything about Nottingham? I've never been there, and nor
has anyone else I know. I think Nottingham is home to the legendary Rock
City venue, in which case it might well be possible for a little
post-concert rock'n'roll action.

I was serious about Mogwai and shoegazing, by the way. Oh well.

Take care,

DAVID

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From tangent at xxx.net  Thu Jul 23 15:06:56 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:06:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: birthdays
References: <E0yz545-00011e-00@serv1.is2.u-net.net>
Message-ID: <35B74380.AB91FC51@lineone.net>


the miller man asked about birthdays, so i found this in an old folder.
might mean less work for katrina :-)


        Stevie Jackson  16th January 1969
        Sarah Martin    12th February 1974
        Isobel Campbell 27th April 1976
        Richard Colburn 25th July 1970
        Stuart Murdoch  25th August 1968
        Chris Geddes    2nd October 1975
        Mick Cooke      15th December 1973
        Stuart David    26th December 1969

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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 23 15:27:53 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:27:53 +0100
Subject: Sinister: birthdays
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Message-ID: <35B74869.48BCBAD@jeepster.co.uk>


hi all,

oh, isn't the duke sweet!

duke of harringay wrote:
 
> the miller man asked about birthdays, so i found this in an old folder.
> might mean less work for katrina :-)
> 
>         Stevie Jackson  16th January 1969
>         Sarah Martin    12th February 1974
>         Isobel Campbell 27th April 1976
>         Richard Colburn 25th July 1970
>         Stuart Murdoch  25th August 1968
>         Chris Geddes    2nd October 1975
>         Mick Cooke      15th December 1973
>         Stuart David    26th December 1969


all greetings to richard c/o jeepster address below!

cheers, 
Katrina.

(p.s. - november 15th ... y'hear!)
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From itstrue at xxx.net  Thu Jul 23 16:07:30 1998
From: itstrue at xxx.net (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:07:30 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Roll up tight
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Hmmm...I just had a look in the voting booth, and judging by the
results, the new album has the best and worst material that B&S have
ever done.  Are "Spaceboy Dream" and "The Rollercoaster Ride" and "Chick
Factor" really THAT bad?  I'm a little nervous now.  And who are the
four/five people voting on the new album?  My guess is the Jeepster
employees, but I doubt they'll 'fess up.

Massive public thanks to Tim and John for figuring out the chords to
"Slow Graffiti".  I've decided that it's easily one of my top 5 favorite
B&S songs.  That melody just has it's way with me....

No one ever responded (that I saw) to my question about submitting
articles from publications around the world to David's site.  David, did
you just want to keep it with British articles, or would you be
interested in having other articles to put in the "Press Articles"
section?  Just wondering...

Boring yet again,
    Reid
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From johnj at xxx.com  Thu Jul 23 16:50:00 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:50:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Message-ID: <35B75BA8.4937@seahouses.u-net.com>


TO MEEEEEEEE...

and Sandra!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BABY

rachel.

we are going to eat sherbet fountains to celebrate.

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Jul 23 15:17:54 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:17:54 +0200
Subject: Sinister: The WHO (NBSC)
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The WHO rule, and with that there's no doubt, mind you, I'm in a
>minority party who thinks they were completely great until about 1975,
where
>as other people seem to think they went shit after Pete Townshend started
>wearing boiler suits instead of suits. Mind you, I've got the albums and
>they haven't so I suppose I'm more qualified to talk about it. I love the
>WHO. I've got a funny interview when Pete's talking about competition for
>attention at concerts, amongst members of the W!H!O! and he's on about how
>him and Keith Moon essentially won the competition, John Entwistle didn't
>really enter the competition, and Roger Daltrey just lost. Aww, never mind.
>Still he was great in McVicar.

I've got that too, on the 30 years of maximum r'n'b video, real quality
viewing, specially tailored to meet the demands of the fan of the 70s
incarnation of the group, it says somewhere. I liked the WHO even more after
seeing that, it's true that they were the ultimate live act. They remind me
of those little machines at fairs when I was little, where you could put a
coin in and four mop topped frogs would suddenly leap into frantic jerky
action for a couple of minutes and then stop. Or was it Pinky and Perky?
Anyway, real pop music had never lived up to that early explosive exposure
to piggy pop at a formative age until I discovered the WHO on video. The
interviews are indeed hilarious, especially Roger pretending to remember WHO
was under the stage at the Monterey Festival, and Pete exposing Roger's
chummy on stage antics. I like Pete, he seems to think everything he's ever
done was crap, bless him. The later stuff's great too, boiler suit or no
boiler suit. I think the key to being able to enjoy the later stuff is in
learning to love Roger Daltry. The same goes for Led Zep, at first Robert
Plant strikes you as a complete prick, but you just have to GET OVER IT!
Another good thing about that video is that there's a girl in the audience
at Charlton football ground WHO decides to show everyone her bosoms, you can
freeze frame it and then go forward frame by frame, jiggle by jiggle.

As far as places go, Nottingham's not bad. Some of you may remember it from
the famous French film Saturday Night and Sunday Morning. That's more or
less what it's like for people with a lively imagination. It does indeed
play host to R!O!C!K! C!I!T!Y! and unless things have changed a lot over the
last few years, Saturday is R!O!C!K! night, so I think it would make an
ideal post gig venue. It was a French film, you know. Karel Reisz, from
Germany. Am I right? Sometimes I surprise even myself. McRagtag will know.

That Taxi Driver story: I heard the same thing, but with Springsteen playing
the part of Neil Diamond.

Peter

PS: I was lsitening to the World service this morning, a programme about the
composer Mussgorsky (?), and the presenter said thet he much preferred the
piano version of Pictures At An Exhibition, rather than the later orchestral
version by Ravel. Seeing as it was the BBC, he was very polite and said,
"that's only an opinion, although I must confess that it's one I hold rather
strongly". I thought that was very diplomatic of him. Perhaps we listees
should follow his example.

Och, the Pastels are shite. That's only an opinion, but I must confess that
it's one I hold rather strongly.



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From Greekesque at xxx.com  Thu Jul 23 17:23:01 1998
From: Greekesque at xxx.com (Greekesque at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:23:01 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Les berceuses d'Isobel...
Message-ID: <30e79645.35b76367@aol.com>


this is my first post on the list, so bare with me readers. i do find the
acoustic songs of isobel on the treehouse site absolutely wonderful! i mean...
i've only heard the current on, "pretty things", but it sent me head over
heels and i'd love to hear an album. maybe somebody should talk to here about
that? ... anyway, i heard she wrote some new songs on the album, maybe she'll
sing more? hmm... i also think belle and sebastian need to release some really
terrible records to discourage all those press monsters and the mainstream
crowds. what do you think?

love; christian jay sienkiewicz
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From shop at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 23 18:17:58 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:17:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Roll up tight
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sorry, i missed the important part of this mail earlier...

Reid Dossinger wrote:

> No one ever responded (that I saw) to my question about submitting
> articles from publications around the world to David's site.  David, 
> did you just want to keep it with British articles, or would you be
> interested in having other articles to put in the "Press Articles"
> section?  Just wondering...

we'll mainly be sourcing this part of the site with the help of all the
press offices around the world whose job it is to do such stuff.

but if you really want to contribute then you should send an original
copy of the artwork/publication/article to the snail mail address below
for me to scan (photocopies generally do not work even if they are in
colour). please do not e-mail it as they tend to be large things and
place a huge strain on a small mailbox.

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From paula at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 23 19:49:02 1998
From: paula at xxx.uk (paula wiseman)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:49:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Looper single?
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Hi!
Can anyone please tell me if the Looper single is available yet? I tried
to order one from my local record store, only to be told that it wasn't
released.
Is there anywhere in London I could get it from? I'll be there at the
weekend to see Pulp in Finsbury Park.
All help gratefully received!

Paula xx



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From emason at xxx.com  Thu Jul 23 20:07:16 1998
From: emason at xxx.com (Ed Mason)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:07:16 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Re: One Big Chunk/Leeds Date
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980723200716.006b2a44@mail.u-net.com>



P.J.Miller wrote
>I once saw this French film from
>Belgium, it was the scariest film I've ever seen, really good. It was called
>"The Vanishing". Does anybody know who the director is, or if it's available
>on video? I would like to scare the wits out of my "other half" with it.

It was directed by George Sluizer in 1988.  He also directed the Hollywood
remake about 5 years ago, which, if my memory serves me right, starred Jeff
Bridges, although I never saw it.  However, I have it on good authority
that it was awful, as seems to be the way with such remakes... 

I recommended it (the original) to a friend who then promptly went to see
the remake and berated me for recommeding such tosh.  Without wanting to
give too much away, they substantially altered the ending, thereby removing
one of the factors which made it so shocking.  It is a great film, very
compelling, I don't know if it's available on video however. (It has been
on t.v. in the UK at least once).

J Errington wrote;
>Question 1: 
>	My ubiquitous friend Adam went up to visit his (possibly ex) >girlfriend
>Charlie (AKA The Evil Pixie) a while back at Leeds Uni. He went around to
>the flat of one of her friends and she had a copy of Tigermilk! On vinyl!
>Which 
>she actually played! The question is, is this person on the list by any
>chance.
>here's fingers crossed.

I'd have a good guess that this was (is) my friend Charlotte who managed to
get her mitts on possibly the only copy of Tigermilk to make its way to
Leeds, from Jumbo records.  She periodically threatens to give it to me,
even though she's a massive fan.  Which would of course earn her my ever
lasting love and gratitude...  She's not on the list, (am I the only person
from Leeds on the list?) but will definitely be at the gig.  When I read
about the Leeds date I got the most excited I'd been in a quite
considerable time and had to ring her straight away.  I'll ask her if she
has a friend called Charlie, otherwise known as the Evil Pixie.  Perhaps I
better not mention that bit.

The venue is an old-style music hall/theatre, all seated.  It used to host
that old BBC programme 'Old Time Music Hall' or some such, the older
listees may recall...They have various comedians, pantomines, etc but never
gigs, although having said that I notice that Baby Bird are also playing at
the end of September.

For post-gig partying you have 'Brighton Beach' at the Cockpit, a veritable
feast of indie/sixties/soul type shenanigans open till 4am, or 'The Cooker'
at the Underground, soul/funk/jazz type proceedings (till 2)...nearer the
time I could come up with some pre-gig suggestions? Unless anyone else has
any?

Looking forward to seeing you all there

Cheers
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From tonyk at xxx.com  Thu Jul 23 20:06:47 1998
From: tonyk at xxx.com (Kiewel, Tony)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:06:47 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Looper single?
Message-ID: <BBB30CC3B170D011BC1800A0C915F10DAC687B@geffen-la.geffen.com>






> Hi!
> Can anyone please tell me if the Looper single is available yet? I
> tried
> to order one from my local record store, only to be told that it
> wasn't
> released.
> Paula xx
> 
> 
I'm not sure what the availability in Engand is like right now, but I
have it on good authority that Sub Pop has sold through their initial
pressing already and as of now have no plans to repress. So if you
haven't picked it up yet, now is the time! What's in the stores now, may
very well be it.

-tonyk

p.s. I really like the Looper 7" myself.
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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 23 20:40:12 1998
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:40:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Embrace / Pulp / gigs
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980723200716.006b2a44@mail.u-net.com>
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I was listening to the Evening Session tonight, waiting for the Hefner
session to come on (which incidentally has been extremely good - if anyone
wants a tape get in touch). Anyway, they had Embrace playing live into the
show and choosing their favourite records, and the first one was... Stars
Of Track And Field!

Of course, I still think Embrace are talentless tossers, but at least
they're talentless tossers with good taste...


Phoned up for my gig tickets this morning, and have spent the rest of the
day trying to work out why Way Ahead insist on posting the tickets for the
two shows to me separately (apart from to make more money by charging me
postage twice...). Very curious...

Oh, and I second Ed's recommendation for 'Brighton Beach' as post-gig
entertainment in Leeds, probably the best club in town; it's quite similar
to the 'Shine' night we all went to in Manchester, but slightly less
packed like sardines... I seem to remember both clubs are reviewed in this
week's Melody Maker. Although I'm not sure how I'll make it down to 
Nottingham for the next day's gig if I'm there until 4am...


Finally, a few of us are planning on meeting up before the Pulp Finsbury
Park concert on Saturday. Anyone is welcome to join us; email me at my
work address ( Stuart.Gardiner at pigroup.co.uk ) and I'll let you know the
details when we've sorted them out. And if you see a tall bloke there in a
white B&S T-Shirt, it's probably me, so come and say hello!


The Tall Git

PS This is my 99th posting since Sinister started last August, so I'll
have to wait until I've got something interesting to say for my 100th. So
you probably won't hear from me for some time...

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From shop at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 23 21:24:23 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:24:23 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Looper single?
References: <35B7859E.3F02A37E@hannoncom.prestel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <35B79BF7.EEB27CDA@jeepster.co.uk>


we'll be stocking them in the jeepster shop some time towards the end of
next week. we don't yet know the price as we're having to get them on
import, but we hope to keep the price below the uk price advertised in
the nme.

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paula wiseman wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Can anyone please tell me if the Looper single is available yet? I tried
> to order one from my local record store, only to be told that it wasn't
> released.
> Is there anywhere in London I could get it from? I'll be there at the
> weekend to see Pulp in Finsbury Park.
> All help gratefully received!
> 
> Paula xx
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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Thu Jul 23 21:55:50 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:55:50 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Looper single?
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Avalanche in Edinburgh said they were getting it in on the 27th, so thats
probably the same in other record stores, i've been in every few days for
the past couple of weeks asking them about it just in case (they must be
getting sick of me by now, i would guess...) but that seems to be the date
they're sticking to. (at £3.99- i don't know how that compares to mail
order things, i never checked)

debbie x

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> From: paula wiseman <paula at xxx.uk>
> To: Belle and Sebastian list <sinister at majordomo.net>
> Subject: Sinister: Looper single?
> Date: 23 July 1998 19:49
> 
> 
> Hi!
> Can anyone please tell me if the Looper single is available yet? I tried
> to order one from my local record store, only to be told that it wasn't
> released.
> Is there anywhere in London I could get it from? I'll be there at the
> weekend to see Pulp in Finsbury Park.
> All help gratefully received!
> 
> Paula xx
> 

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From goodforyoo at xxx.com  Fri Jul 24 01:53:21 1998
From: goodforyoo at xxx.com (milla-isobel gregor)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:53:21 PDT
Subject: Sinister: nyc PICNIC - GRANDIOSE happenings..
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there will be a pic nic this sunday at 3pm, meeting in central park 
probably inthe meadow behind Tave4rn on the Green, round 62 st W....mail 
me privately to find out moorrre..like my number for the final plans 
message on Sunday morning etc...
take care and come out of the wood work! we wanna see you...
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From Lzylnepntr at xxx.com  Fri Jul 24 03:56:12 1998
From: Lzylnepntr at xxx.com (Lzylnepntr at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:56:12 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Looper single?
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does anyone know where in NYC to pick up the looper single? thanks
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From suzsch at xxx.net  Fri Jul 24 03:46:25 1998
From: suzsch at xxx.net (Suzanne Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:46:25 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Whee!!!!!! and other related topics
Message-ID: <199807240319.WAA13632@smtp2.mailsrvcs.net>


Happy Happy day!  Yesterday was the first time in months I walked around
with an incredibly stupid grin on my face all day long.  Sadly, it wasn't
love related, but it was even better.....Do you know when people
continuously tell you that something is impossible and that you either have
to kill yourself working or plainly know the right person to get something
done?  And then you get nervous because you think "oh gee, even so and so
had to struggle and they're killer, so what sort of chance do I stand?...."
 Well, I proved them all wrong!  

BWA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!!!!

That's my non commital undefinable gloat for the day.  

> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:10:44 +0100
> From: "Cassell Professional Publishing" <d.barker at xxx.uk>
> Subject: Sinister: crooked album review
> 
> I just found out that my friend John will be reviewing the LP for Select.

I know a guy from England named John.  Are we talking about the same guy? 
He's about this big and about this tall and wears his hair this way......
 
> I *think* he's a fan (although he's always annoyingly ambivalent about
these
> things), so with luck he'll give it five boxes out of five. 

Boxes?  When phrased like that, it sort of makes the reward sound very
goofy.  I want to revise the scale to where it includes every charm from
the Lucky Charms cereal box.  I give the last album green clovers, blue
diamonds,  a purple horseshoe, and the rainbow charm.  Either that, or a
very complicated system with all former members of the Smiths with the
scale ranging from Andy Rourke's latest project to the impossible member
reunion outside of a courtroom.  Hmm.  I'm trying to figure out how to rate
good and bad on this scale.  Never mind.

>If I find out
> that he doesn't like it (god forbid), could we perhaps bribe him to give
it
> top marks?

Couldn't we all just sleep with him?  Some of us are broke.....

I'm getting this mental picture of 500 list members appearing on his door
step all at once.  We can make a picnic of it in the botanical gardens in
Glasgow.  I still love the statue in the greenhouse of the man with a
monkey in his lap.  I died laughing the first time I saw it.


s.s.

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like me if you never stopped to think"
 
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From andrew_grant at xxx.com  Fri Jul 24 08:14:19 1998
From: andrew_grant at xxx.com (andrew_grant at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 09:14:19 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Re: Leeds Date
Message-ID: <H00008b9004cd102@MHS>


emason wrote: (am I the only person from Leeds on the list?) 

Although it's entirely possible that you're the only person IN Leeds on
the list, I'm FROM Horsforth, 
though currently working just (!) outside Leeds in, erm, well,
Frankfurt.

Incidentally, am I the only person in Germany on the list (sorry if this
has been asked before, I only joined 2 days ago...) I can't believe I
could be...

I haven't lived "properly" (i.e. full time!) in Leeds since 1992 when I
first went away to Uni, but am back now and then, for weddings and
various other events. I'm toying with the idea of flying back for the
gig, but I've not much holiday left this year, I'd have to take the
Friday off, £130+ for a flight, plus train from Manchester..... Oh, so
many crappy excuses for such a potentially brilliant gig...

As for post-gig potential venues, I've heard Brighton Beach is superb,
though The Cockpit isn't all that bad, as I discovered after the
Delgados gig in May; 3 different dancefloors with everything from Baggy
and Mainstream Indie to Electronica and, well, most not bad things.

I think I'll take a chance on Germany being counted either as Northern
or Southern Europe and maybe even hire a car to go to any gigs in France
or Belgium or anywhere....

I'm *very* excited about the looper single - sadly my large corporate
employer has - it seems - no p.c.'s with soundbite facilities, so i'll
let myself be surprised.

love,
Andrew

p.s. My sister's record label, Iodine (releases so far: one single in
1996!!) rejected Embrace's demo in 1996 for the feeble, half-arsed,
sub-Oasis (and that's saying something) drivel that their music is. I'm
genuinely shocked that they chose "Stars of Track and Field" as one of
their favourite tunes, but good music can seemingly win through to
self-obsessed dunderheads. From Huddersfield.
   
   

From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Fri Jul 24 09:43:32 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:43:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: The loneliness of a bored employee... with bosoms
Message-ID: <19980724084332.29423.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>


Gratuitious misspelling gag:

christian jay sienkiewicz wrote...

> this is my first post on the list, so bare with me readers. 

Wh-hay! No messing around with this one.  Call yourself a Christian?
________________________________________________________________________

More 'on topic':

A long time ago, in a digest far far away, bad young brother Rob.B had
a go at transcribing the lyrics to "The loneliness of a
middle-distance runner" (he called it "The loneliness of THE
middle-distance runner", which is sensible given the book/film title,
but according to David's  voting booth and possibly my ears, he's
mistaken on this score).

Anyway, at the time no one replied to his plea for help with it, but
I've belatedly decided to pick up his baby and run with it.  I haven't
really added much, but SOMEONE out there must be clever.  Rather like
PJ's video of the WHO fan's bosoms, I have worn out the section of the
tape with the second line trying to figure it out but now I give up.

The loneliness of a middle-distance runner

I'll take a second of the day to think about the things that we have
done this year
The dark ? and the pouring rain, the  [...????...] smokers' railway
arch again (??)
The future's looking colourful, it's the colour of the chaos (??) and
corruption of a happy soul
A happy soul will write (?) in the field, write in the field, write in
the field
'Til the rain dies down.

The railway ticket states the destination but it doesn't mean, we will
show
There's a fork upon the line, we'll pay the guard to switch the sign,
and off we'll go
The future's looking wonderful, it's the wonder of the business-man,
Conspiracy to sell you wares, but no-one cares
Oh you care I know, you care I know, you care I know, I forgot for a
while.

And on a sulky afternoon spent in this year you'll give yourself a
headache yeah.
So I take revenge in stories, and I'm dreaming of the time when we're on
stage

Have you seen the loneliness of a middle distance runner, as he stopped
the race and looked around, all at the stage I've seen it now
I'll walk to the station, walk to the station, walk to the station
Won't you follow me?

________________________________________________________________________

Final plea:

The other day I was challenged to think of a good film about love that
has a happy ending.  This didn't seem to daunting a task, but I still
can't think of one.  Can anyone help?

Nick xxxx
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From sburon at xxx.fr  Fri Jul 24 09:51:38 1998
From: sburon at xxx.fr (Stephane Buron)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:51:38 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Loopper again and again...
Message-ID: <35B84B13.79B7@club-internet.fr>


Hi!

I dont have the time to read all the posts to the list (unfortunately)
but i noticed you were wondering about the Looper single. Well, a silly
question : which single are you talking about? I found two weeks ago a
7" in Paris (yes!!!)with Impossible things and Spaceboy Dream : is it
this record you're talking about??? I guess not. Maybe an EP will be
released... I'm sorry for my ignorance. Would you help me? 

take care, happy sinisterians (i hope i'll have the opportunity to meet
some of you in Leeds or Nottingham)

Stephane
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From Mark at xxx.com  Fri Jul 24 11:44:19 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:44:19 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Hairy what??
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As usual, it takes little Nickie Dastoor to wake me from my slumber, but
here are my comments on his (and other people's) mailings.

Firstly, as I found out to my cost, you're not allowed to use the word
"bosoms" when Katrina might be around. It upsets her, though for some
reason "quim", "felch" and "hairy pie" drew nary a gasp when we were
playing rude scrabble. Well, I didn't get punched for them, anyway.

Secondly, How about "Grease" for a good film about love with a happy
ending? Hardly highbrow, I know (and as you know, highbrow is a dirty
word in my book - wish I'd thought of it while playing scrabble), but
not only do they sing that groovy song at the end, but Sandy transforms
from a tedious virgin to a sluttish, smoking, be-permed vamp in funky
trousers, which has to be a result in anyone's book.

Thirdly, if anyone's going to popstarz tonight, I'll be the fairly tall
bloke wearing the rather silly emerald green shirt and no doubt some
exceptionally funky trousers which I hope to buy at lunchtime. This
especially applies to my mystery list crush... :-)

B&S content - my rediscovery of "3,6,9" continues apace. If the new
album is, as rumoured, along these lines, I will be a happy pixie
indeed. Though I am a bit bored with Fakers, to be honest...

Love,
Mark.
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From mick at xxx.com  Fri Jul 24 13:11:34 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:11:34 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Listening Party?, etc.
Message-ID: <35B879F6.A7D628A0@indiepop.com>


Hm...	
	I am faced with a bit of a dilemma. You see I'm the music director for
a smallish college radio station. I thought that perhaps when the new
album comes out, we could have a little listening party at the station.
Put up some flyers, bake some cookies, you know that sort of thing =P  
Anyway, I still think it's an all-around good idea, but I am in a bit of
a pickle. For us, classes don't begin until September 8th, which (in the
US) is the very day the album is slated to be released! So my question
is: do I bite the bullet and organize this listening party on the first
day of class, knowing that it'll probably affect attendance in a
negative fashion; or do I wait a couple days until the weekend or
something like that, and have the listening party a few days later? A
later date would attract more B&S-listening students, but I think the
spirit of the thing might be screwed up if I did that. What do you lot
think? Help!

	Also...
Mark Casarotto says...
> Firstly, as I found out to my cost, you're not allowed to use the word
> "bosoms" when Katrina might be around. It upsets her, though for some
> reason "quim", "felch" and "hairy pie" drew nary a gasp when we were
> playing rude scrabble. Well, I didn't get punched for them, anyway.

	Dirty Scrabble? Is that a matter-of-fact game? Or did your game just
devolve into that =D  I think it might make an added challenge to the
game, and a certain modicum of fun that the game sometimes lacks...
Maybe we'll play dirty Scrabble at the listening party...nah.

Nick Dastoor pleas:
> The other day I was challenged to think of a good film about love that
> has a happy ending.  This didn't seem to daunting a task, but I still
> can't think of one.  Can anyone help?

	Barcelona, L.A. Story...Snow White? Hehe
 
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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 24 14:07:17 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:07:17 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The loneliness of a bored employee... with bosoms
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Nick Dastoor's
> Final plea:
was

> The other day I was challenged to think of a good film about love that
> has a happy ending.  This didn't seem to daunting a task, but I still
> can't think of one.  Can anyone help?
> 
Ohferchrissake: Gregory's Girl.  Are you a B&S fan or a mouse?  It's
mandatory viewing, you know. 
Also The Princess Bride.  Also quite a few others. 

Bugger me, if I didn't get my very first sprig of the tape tree popping
through my letterbox this morning.  And me not having even recorded my tape
yet.  Ah well, such things are for the weekend to resolve.  I will do it, I
will I will I will.  

Anyway, it's nice to hear The Milkman of Human Kindness by Mice again.  Nice
one, WeeJay. 

     ByeBye,
                    Liz.
           
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From uczcvap at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 24 15:10:14 1998
From: uczcvap at xxx.uk (Vicky Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:10:14 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Pulp in the Park tomorrow
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Those of you who have tickets for the Pulp do tomorrow may remember that a
couple of weeks ago I suggested we could arrange a meeting place for those
interested. And then there was silence.....

Yes, my organisational skills are second to none and whoever employs me is
going to be astounded and lost for words.

However, I , with the help of Stuart G, (who i dumped it on after I fled
London last week) have a plan!

A lovely shy (ie. list onlooker) bloke has offered his address as a meeting
point, which makes a lot of sense as I fear it would be very hard to meet
everyone successfully in a public place. Anyway, we thought if we could
meet at his at 12 and then went to get some food before going in (as we
aren't sure how strict they're going to be on food/booze)?

The address is:

9A Digby Crescent
N4 2HS

And the directions from his flatmate are (cos I only just phoned and Jim
wasn't in)

>From Finsbury Park tube station, take the front exit, and to the right hand
side is the Seven Sisters Road. If you get lost at this point, apparently
just ask for the Seven Sisters road and you'll be put on the right track)

Walk down this road on the RH side and either the 3rd or 4th street on the
RH side is Queens Drive. 

Walk down Queens Drive, and Digby Crescent is on the left hand side.

He's called Jim, be very nice to him, and I hope he won't be too mad at me
for sending his address to 500 people, and I think he is very very kind for
offering his house as a meeting place. Have I grovelled enough?

So I'll hopefully see at least two people there, and if you decide to shun
us, enjoy yourself anyway.

Vicky 

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From aevans at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 24 14:38:46 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:38:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Valley
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Miller wrote :

>Another good thing about that video is that there's a girl in the audience
>at Charlton football ground WHO decides to show everyone her bosoms, >you can freeze frame it and then go forward frame by frame, jiggle by >jiggle.

Peter...I have to meet you !!!

I am not a stalker...that is your game,  and any coded death threats you may recently have received via B&S postcards were merely passed through me by *My Kate* and are not to be treated very seriously....rather like my Kate....i just want to sit and watch that video on slo-mo...family entertainment.

On the subject of French films, I saw one on Channel 4 a few weeks ago called "Delicatessen".  it was bizarre.

Are all French films bizarre ?  And are they all on Channel 4 ?

Perry Mason wrote :

>She periodically threatens to give it to me,

Ooooh.

>Which would of course earn her my ever lasting love and gratitude.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrr....

Nick Da Stoor wrote :

>Final plea:

>The other day I was challenged to think of a good film about love that
>has a happy ending.  This didn't seem to daunting a task, but I still
>can't think of one.  Can anyone help?

I'm gonna get slated for this...*Sleepless in Seattle*.

God, it's all out now...I'm just a slushy Olaf.

Well here's one for you Nick and any other P!O!P! Pickers amongst you.
A colleague of mine here wants to know the lyrics of the 4th line of the Undertones track *My Perfect Cousin*.   E-mail me privately if you can be arsed to help.

i'm orrrffff..

Adrian.

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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 24 16:02:42 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:02:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The WHO
Message-ID: <000e01bdb714$1cc51970$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


>Pete exposing Roger's chummy on stage antics.

I must agree here, this one's a cracker, where Pete Townshend's asked about
what his least favourite live WHO song was, and at first he replies
"Dreaming from the waist - cause Roger used to like doing it" and then he
changes his mind to "Sister Disco" cause Roger used to try to pal up to him
whenever they did it live to try and make it out like that they were best
pals really - which he claims they weren't at all. I'd recommend almost any
70's WHO album to anyone (Except maybe Who are You, but there's still a few
class tracks on that one), indeed I'm gonna record over whoever's sending me
a tape with 70's WHO songs and then send them all to someone I've never
heard of - for the tape tree.

    Katrina's suggested a place to meet for the after London show carry on.
Here's the deal :

>Trash @ Plastic People on Oxford Street - good dj's, lovely (yet
>somewhat crowded and tiny) venue ... used to be going underground ....
>which was ace ... kind of like that britpop place we took you to on the
>saturday night, yet they play more 60's stuff on the monday's.

Which reminds me, that place sold only HALF PINTS. Something I was not
chuffed at all with - and indeed the 70's WHO would have been far from
chuffed with, well known for their boozy, televisions out of windows antics,
indeed, another WHO anecdote involves how in New York, Keith Moon paid about
8 taxi drivers a large sum of money to block off both ends of the road they
were in, so's he could safely launch televisions out of the window.


Cheers,
    Keith.


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From PHermGerm at xxx.com  Fri Jul 24 16:22:53 1998
From: PHermGerm at xxx.com (PHermGerm at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:22:53 EDT
Subject: Sinister: sinister
Message-ID: <b421fa35.35b8a6cf@aol.com>


Adrian:


>The other day I was challenged to think of a good film about love that
>has a happy ending.  This didn't seem to daunting a task, but I still
>can't think of one.  Can anyone help?

>>I'm gonna get slated for this...*Sleepless in Seattle*.

How about "As Good As It Gets....

Good love story with Jack Nicolson and Helen Hunt, also funny!!

Dying of the heat and fires here in Jax, FL.....
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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 24 15:31:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:31:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: New releases
Message-ID: <AA270430016A1600@c2gate.tcom.co.uk>


Whoopee!

First there's the B&S record, then there is the long awaited Tindersticks
rarities collection (long awaited by me anyway), and after that there is a
new Momus record as well!

And not only a new Momus record, but a new Momus record featuring songs
called "What are you wearing?" and "Coming in a girl's mouth".

I bet Nick Currie always wins at dirty scrabble!

Unless he's playing against Arab Strap of course.

Kevan

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From alex at xxx.nl  Fri Jul 24 22:46:57 1998
From: alex at xxx.nl (Alex Tobin)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:46:57 -0400
Subject: Sinister: ticketmaster?
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does anyone honestly know when ticketmaster is going to get it together
and post online booking info for the b&s tour?

as i live in holland, i could do without ringing up to england...  but,
alas, still nary a trace of b&s on their site.

anyone know the almighty answers?


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From sburon at xxx.fr  Fri Jul 24 17:03:19 1998
From: sburon at xxx.fr (Stephane Buron)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:03:19 +0200
Subject: Sinister: ticketmaster?
References: <35B900D1.8472ED42@tobin.demon.nl>
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Alex Tobin wrote:
> 
> does anyone honestly know when ticketmaster is going to get it together
> and post online booking info for the b&s tour?

Just a tip : actually, David said on the list that it will be possible
to book the tickets online for the London gig BUT foreigners can also
call 
Way Ahead Ticket Outlets - 0113 244 4600 (for leeds) and
Way Ahead Ticket Outlets - 0115 912 9000 (for Nottingham)
to get tickets : they accept our visa cards and our addresses wherever
we live... Very tolerant, isnt it ? (if i say so, it's because i had
problems to books tickets through Picadilly Records in Manchester : they
didnt want to send the tickets to France). 

Have a nice week-end,

Stephane

PS : tomorrow is Richard Colburn's birthday...
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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 24 18:46:06 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:46:06 +0100
Subject: Sinister: ticketmaster?
References: <35B900D1.8472ED42@tobin.demon.nl>
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hi guys,

Alex Tobin wrote:
> 
> does anyone honestly know when ticketmaster is going to get it together
> and post online booking info for the b&s tour?
> 
> as i live in holland, i could do without ringing up to england...  but,
> alas, still nary a trace of b&s on their site.
> 
> anyone know the almighty answers?

oh bugger pish ... it looks as though ticketmaster are now NOT going to
be selling tickets for the london gig.

even worse news, i believe that approx. 500 tickets have been sold ...

umm, don't know what to do for overseas listees ... i'll double check
with barry to make sure that it's definitely not happening through
ticketmaster.

cheers, (uncheerily)
Katrina.

(i am trying .. HONEST!)
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From dogbother at xxx.com  Fri Jul 24 20:26:49 1998
From: dogbother at xxx.com (someone else)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:26:49 PDT
Subject: Sinister: list crushes
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monsieur chris wrote:
>I hated school. No-one fancied me there either, which hey hey hey
>histories repeating itself with the list crushes, you heartless manks.

awwwww sweetie...
i cannot remember kristen's address to send this to, so i'll use the 
list instead to declare my crush as being Chris (using someone else's 
address so as not to reveal my identity, of course...). So there you go, 
we're not all 'heartless manks', afterall.

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From plastik at xxx.com  Fri Jul 24 16:33:42 1998
From: plastik at xxx.com (dina passman)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:33:42 +0000
Subject: Sinister: happy love film
Message-ID: <35B8A956.22AB@erols.com>


>Final plea:

>The other day I was challenged to think of a good film about love >that has a happy ending.  This didn't seem to daunting a task, but I >still can't think of one.  Can anyone help?

>Nick xxxx

i vote for BEAUTIFUL THING.

> dina
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From cires at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 23 20:46:38 1998
From: cires at xxx.uk (Cires)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:46:38 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Scottish Rock.
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HiYas,

-----Original Message-----
From: Jen Jones <jjones at xxx.com>
To: sinister-digest at majordomo.net <sinister-digest at majordomo.net>
Date: 21 July 1998 22:47
Subject: Sinister: Scottish Rock.
> ...But I know that
>some of the best pop music of the late 80's and early 90's came from the
>British Isle and I believe most was of Scottish decent:
>
>1) POOH STICKS:  
>2) VASELINES:  
>3) TEENAGE FANCLUB


What about the Blue Nile, Cocteau Twins, Loyd Cole, Orange Juice etc...

bye,
Cires

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From cires at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 23 20:42:06 1998
From: cires at xxx.uk (Cires)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:42:06 -0000
Subject: Sinister: B&S Gigs
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HiYa,

-----Original Message-----
From: John Stuart/mail+schedule <John.Stuart at xxx.com>
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Date: 22 July 1998 09:03
Subject: Sinister: B&S Gigs


>
>Are there more UK gigs to be announced?  I.e.  Where's the fucks the
>Scottish dates?!


That's what I want to know!!....Glasgow preferably.

bye.
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Fri Jul 24 21:02:56 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:02:56 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Jiggle Belles/ The Good Old Days
Message-ID: <01bdb73e$0cca93e0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


My lords, ladies and gentlemen! Pray silence for the astonishing,

OOOOH!

the astounding,

AAAH!

 the remarkable,

OOOOOOOOH!

 the extraordinary,

AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

 the unsurpassable

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!

Doctor KEITH WATSON, eminent pop physician and reknowned frequenter of
Victorian brothels of the type regularly glimpsed in Hammer House of Horror
films!

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! (polite applause)

>I must agree here, this one's a cracker, where Pete Townshend's asked about
>what his least favourite live WHO song was, and at first he replies
>"Dreaming from the waist - cause Roger used to like doing it" and then he
>changes his mind to "Sister Disco" cause Roger used to try to pal up to him
>whenever they did it live to try and make it out like that they were best
>pals really - which he claims they weren't at all.

Indeed Doctor Watson, I can confirm the truthfulness of your comments, but
must point out an inaccuracy in Midshipman Miller's mindbending remarks
about breasts yesterday. The young lady in question does indeed expose her
ample bosoms, but the camera only manages to capture one of them briefly.
Any jiggling was the fruit of Midshipman Miller's warped imagination. I fear
that he may have become confused, due to the presence of another youthful
maiden in the crowd who is clearly visible sporting a yellow bikini top
(which haven't been invented yet) and a rather fetching pair of lacey
bloomers (which have). Clothing is excellent throughout the video
extravaganza, and Mister Townsend's Flock of Seagulls haircut has to be seen
to be believed. The part of the moving picture that reminded our scribe of
Pinky and Perky pop machines was the beginning of the section recorded at
Tanglewood Music Shed. It defies belief. Stick ten pence in and stand well
back.

OOOOOOOOOOOOH!

Leonard Sachs

PS: Dreaming From the Waist is a particularly fine ditty, a bit like Looper
crossed with Belle and Sebastain crossed with Arab Strap. On acid.

PPS: I have seen a photo of Gus Honeybun. What a twatty rabbit!

PPS: I suppose we'll stop talking about WHO videos sooner or later. Take
heart!



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From sarah at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 24 20:04:13 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:04:13 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Scottish Rock is Pish.....
Message-ID: <2feIIBAtqNu1EwL5@elsato97.demon.co.uk>


Blackpool rock is MUCH BETTER!

Can you get vodka and orange rock in Glasgow? Huh? Do you have a whole
mile full of Rock shops? NOOOO!

HA! Point proven. *pthththhthththth*
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
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From tangent at xxx.net  Fri Jul 24 20:37:39 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:37:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The loneliness of a bored employee... with bosoms
References: <19980724084332.29423.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
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Nick Dastoor wrote:

nearly all the words to midle distance runner... and here's my version,
which is essentially the same but with i think that second line cracked,
and a few changes later on. i LOVE this song.

cheers.

the duke

> The loneliness of a middle-distance runner
> 
> I'll take a second of the day to think about the things that we have
> done this year
> The dog lies down, the pouring rain, i'm underneath the smokers' railway
> arch again
> The future's looking colourful, it's the colour of blood, chaos and
> corruption of a happy soul
> A happy soul will write in the field, write in the field, write in
> the field
> 'Til the rain dies down.
> 
> The railway ticket states the destination but it doesn't mean, we will
> show
> There's a fork upon the line, we'll pay the guard to switch the sign.
> off we go
> The future's looking wonderful, it's the wonder of the business-man's
> Conspiracy to sell you wares, but no-one cares
> Oh you care I know, you care I know, you care I know, I forgot for a
> while.
> 
> And on a sulky afternoon spent in dispute you'll give yourself a
> headache yeah.
> So I take revenge in stories, and I'm dreaming of the time when we're on
> stage
> 
> Have you seen the loneliness of a middle distance runner, when he stops
> the race and looks around, all at the stage I've seen it now
> I'll walk to the station, walk to the station, walk to the station
> Won't you follow me?

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From escossia at xxx.br  Fri Jul 24 21:42:16 1998
From: escossia at xxx.br (Ivo A P Escossia)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:42:16 -0300
Subject: Sinister: Matador  Records Update 
Message-ID: <01bdb743$8b684440$0100007f@localhost>

Matador Records Wrote:

The forthcoming BELLE AND SEBASTIAN full-length has a title
now, "The Boy with the Arab Strap." We expect to get a lot
of flack for this, but it was entirely the band's decision.
We gave them SEVERAL options for titles and this one was the
one they chose. ("Stop, Look, Run On"; "Can't Fight the Cat
Power"; or "Go Buy the New Solex Record" didn't have the
right ring).


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"Go Buy the New Solex Record" ?
I liked this title.
:o)
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From harrypalmer66 at xxx.com  Sat Jul 25 00:20:43 1998
From: harrypalmer66 at xxx.com (Richard Hutt)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:20:43 PDT
Subject: Sinister: far out and fishy
Message-ID: <19980724232044.7437.qmail@hotmail.com>



Four Films About Love That End Happily, and How They Relate to Belle and 
Sebastian,      

or I Am Bored At Work.

A Matter of Life and Death
The Pickpocket
Trouble in Paradise
It Happened One Night

�.and they relate to B&S because��if a love film is to end happily, it 
risks being so intensely predictable that it loses your interest, indeed 
becomes pointless. That's why so many films with happy endings are ao 
gruelling. You can see it coming a mile off. The same is true of the 
films above, and doubtless lots of the other films mentioned on this 
topic. BUT the mark of a truly great film is that you and I can see and 
feel the happy ending from the first frame�.and not care, because the 
story is told so beautifully, because it is a delight to watch these 
characters in an inevitable dance.

And the same is true of perfect music, in my book. I know it is going to 
deliver the goods, pander to my peccadilloes, indulge my weaknesses, and 
resolve in the manner that I wish it would. B & S are a good story well 
told. It barely matters that there are no new stories under the sun. Or 
chords, or tunes, or new ways to do handclaps.

The other thing about a great film about love is that even as it moves 
towards its inevitable end, it dances around many pitfalls, avoiding 
becoming saccharine or dull by being witty, or clever, or a little mean. 
Again, like Belle and Sebastian and how they waltz around, tempting 
tweeness but never quite surrendering. 

Of course I may be babbling, and the above may be naught but Friday 
afternoon horseshit. 

My other justification for continuing this one-way street of a topic, 
which is really just an excuse for everyone to list their favourite 
films - and there is nothing wrong with that if you ask me - is that 
B & S are incredibly cinematic. I'm sure I'm not the first one to point 
that out. Does anyone fancy a little international cultural 
multi-coloured swapshop? I'll swap you a video rental idea for one of 
yours. It's quicker than making a tape and there is no postage.

Old coots on the list - anyone around in the late 80's remember "Far Out 
and Fishy" fanzine? More specifically, whatever happened to Chris Fish 
of FOAF fame, late of Oxford? Any takers? 

Thank you for enlivening the stolen moments of the work day.


Richard


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From Stanleyboy at xxx.com  Sat Jul 25 00:54:28 1998
From: Stanleyboy at xxx.com (Stanleyboy at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:54:28 EDT
Subject: Sinister: That old Electronic Renaissance chestnut.
Message-ID: <299f63c1.35b91eb5@aol.com>



I just wanted to know if anyone knows the two words that Stuart Murdoch
mumbles when he sings the lines:

Hand in hand with the Electronic Renaissance is the way to go, yeah.
Hand in hand with the Electronic Renaissance is the way to go, boy.
Hand in hand with the Electronic Renaissance (something something) is the way
to go you're learning soon you will do the thing you wanted since you were
wearing glitter badges.

Anyone know?

Stanleyboy(with the arab strap)@aol.com
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From Crow2343 at xxx.com  Sat Jul 25 00:56:51 1998
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From LukeOwens7 at xxx.com  Sat Jul 25 02:00:41 1998
From: LukeOwens7 at xxx.com (LukeOwens7 at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:00:41 EDT
Subject: Sinister: That old Electronic Renaissance chestnut.
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In a message dated 7/24/98 7:56:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Stanleyboy at aol.com writes:

>  just wanted to know if anyone knows the two words that Stuart Murdoch
>  mumbles when he sings the lines:
>  
>  Hand in hand with the Electronic Renaissance is the way to go, yeah.
>  Hand in hand with the Electronic Renaissance is the way to go, boy.
>  Hand in hand with the Electronic Renaissance (something something) is the 
> way
>  to go you're learning soon you will do the thing you wanted since you were
>  wearing glitter badges.
>  
>  Anyone know?

well the lyrics on the back of the record don't mention anything, its just
Renaissance is the way to go...although it sound like to me that Renaissance
is just distorted abit with all the extra electronics going on in the
background

luke
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From tasha at xxx.com  Sat Jul 25 02:20:04 1998
From: tasha at xxx.com (Girl Racer)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:20:04 -0700
Subject: Sinister: happy love film
Message-ID: <9807241820.ZM28797@blort>


>The other day I was challenged to think of a good film about love >that has a
happy ending.  This didn't seem to daunting a task, but I >still can't think of
one.  Can anyone help?

>i vote for BEAUTIFUL THING.

yes great movie!!

also i'm not sure if anyone mentioned "when harry met sally"... genius!

tasha

-- 
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From BCapirigi at xxx.com  Sat Jul 25 04:46:13 1998
From: BCapirigi at xxx.com (BCapirigi at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:46:13 EDT
Subject: Sinister: don't you remember that you once said that you liked happy endings?
Message-ID: <1945f483.35b95506@aol.com>


my top 10 happy ending movies

10. short cuts
9.   blow-up
8.   guess who's coming to dinner
7.   the thin man
6.   north by northwest
5.   the ladykillers (not really but lets pretend it is)
4.   mr smith goes to washington
3.   bringing up baby
2.   babe
1.   dr strangelove or how i learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
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From PSYCHOSKAG at xxx.com  Sat Jul 25 04:49:24 1998
From: PSYCHOSKAG at xxx.com (PSYCHOSKAG at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:49:24 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Unsuscribe sinister
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From tangent at xxx.net  Sat Jul 25 10:17:55 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:17:55 +0100
Subject: Sinister: far out and fishy
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Richard Hutt wrote:

> Old coots on the list - anyone around in the late 80's remember "Far Out
> and Fishy" fanzine? More specifically, whatever happened to Chris Fish
> of FOAF fame, late of Oxford? Any takers?

best ask the gorgeous saint lucy, assuming that said saint is still
hanging around the list? 

the duke
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From carrick44 at xxx.com  Sat Jul 25 15:59:21 1998
From: carrick44 at xxx.com (Carrick C Blair)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:59:21 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Re: Saint Lucy - outsider crush
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The Duke wrote:

>best ask the gorgeous saint lucy, assuming that said saint is still
>hanging around the list? 

Funny the timing of things. 
Yesterday I got a phone call at work from a friend who seemed all
flustered. 
He wanted me to go to the Sinister site and look at this picture 
of this girl, stlucy.  I mentioned I had seen all listee pictures and 
remembered seeing a picture of lovely saint lucy.  My friend was so
smitten 
with her picture he printed out a few copies.

So someone has a crush on Saint Lucy.

So I guess we can add this to the crush list. Maybe under a separate 
category of non-listee crushes on list members. That is if she's still
around 
and not sunning herself on some private Greek island.

As for me, I always enjoyed the posts from Quebec. Genevieve, was it? 

In either case, I played Gol Goppas - "Saint Lucy" in honor of my
friend's
new found affections.

rather appropiate I think.

<The Boy With The Arab Strap>?
At first I thought, why so obvious?
But then I thought maybe that's the whole point.
It will have everybody scratching there heads wondering, what the...
Why....I mean there's that other band, I know they're friends and 
all, but.....

love
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From mctag at xxx.com  Sat Jul 25 15:58:05 1998
From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:58:05 GMT
Subject: Sinister: far out and fishy
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Richard Hutt wrote:

>Old coots on the list - anyone around in the late 80's remember "Far Out
>and Fishy" fanzine? More specifically, whatever happened to Chris Fish
>of FOAF fame, late of Oxford? Any takers?

Ah yes, Chris Fish, Chesterfield's finest export since the Thompson
Twins, and my ex-flatmate, is still in Oxford, moving up the
management scale of HMV as we speak.  He plays keyboards in Cody in
his spare time.  I haven't actually spoken to Chris for ages, due to
crap letter writing on my part, but I'm assured he's well.  Whether he
has any plans to resurrect FAOF I have no idea, but Saint Lucy's quill
is itching.  At least I think that's what she said.

Love Tag xx
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From zulu at xxx.uk  Sat Jul 25 19:03:39 1998
From: zulu at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:03:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: It's such a cliche, it's hurting my brain,...
Message-ID: <199807251752.SAA20677@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


I'm becoming a sinister cliche.
Last night I watched Gregory's Girl, and today I went shopping and bought,
wait for it...
a Nick Drake compilation, an Orange Juice 7", and a V-Twin 7".
I didn't mean for it to turn out this way, I need help.

So I'll shut the fuck up.

colin.
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From LHig327744 at xxx.com  Sat Jul 25 20:41:56 1998
From: LHig327744 at xxx.com (LHig327744 at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:41:56 EDT
Subject: Sinister: It's such a cliche, it's hurting my brain,...
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I'm just curious which OJ single you bought and how much it cost you.  I have
most of them from when I was in school.  My friend is going to London next
month and is willing to look for 7" and CD's for me (she will be shopping for
herself too) and I was wondering how available stuff from 15-17 yrs ago is.  I
don't want to waste her time + effort.  Is the V-Twin single good?  Is there
only one out?
I saw OJ play at a place called the Venue in London and the thing I remember
about it is how this girl had a box of fruit pastilles and passed them around
to everyone (people DID NOT act so friendly in New York clubs at the time!) 
Bill Forsyth is a genius, if you ever see Comfort & Joy it's my Uncle Tommy's
drumming in 
the opening bit....he was in the Italian ice cream mafioso guy's backing band
for real for quite a few years. 

Bella Bella

Lesley 
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From PKHINTZ at xxx.com  Sat Jul 25 22:50:43 1998
From: PKHINTZ at xxx.com (PKHINTZ at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:50:43 EDT
Subject: Sinister: It's such a cliche, it's hurting my brain,...
Message-ID: <89932534.35ba5334@aol.com>


<<I'm becoming a sinister cliche.

Last night I watched Gregory's Girl, and today I went shopping and bought,

wait for it...a Nick Drake compilation, an Orange Juice 7", and a V-Twin 7".

I didn't mean for it to turn out this way, I need help.>>

	I would not fear becoming a cliche. . . unless you rode a bus to the shop to
buy those records, while wearing flares, and spotted a fox (in the snow
preferably, despite the time of year).    

<<I'm just curious which OJ single you bought and how much it cost you.>>

	Polydor in the UK recently reissued and remasted the Orange Juice albums on
CD with extra tracks.  Granted your friend goes to a record shop, they should
have no problems locating the albums.  (Unless you are looking for the real
deal original issue. . . )  I believe Postcard reissued the singles not too
long ago also.  (I may be wrong on that last one--blame the headache from my
summer cold.)

			Living and loving
					Matthew
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From Greekesque at xxx.com  Sun Jul 26 03:02:21 1998
From: Greekesque at xxx.com (Greekesque at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:02:21 EDT
Subject: Sinister: It's such a cliche, it's hurting my brain,...
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 	<<I would not fear becoming a cliche. . . unless you rode a bus to the shop
to buy those records, while wearing flares, and spotted a fox (in the snow
preferably, despite the time of year).>>    

i actualy bought some flares... i'm kinda scard to wear them though. i don't
know if the world is ready for christian (my name) in flares... so now that
i've gone that far, does anyone recommend any nick drake records? please tell
if so... also, does anyone recommend any french pop albums that i wouldn't
have to kill myself to find? thanks, thanks. love; christian.
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From el0007 at xxx.edu  Sun Jul 26 03:38:08 1998
From: el0007 at xxx.edu (Erin Lewis)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:38:08 -0700
Subject: Sinister: BBC sessions and such
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From Runegg at xxx.com  Sun Jul 26 09:15:26 1998
From: Runegg at xxx.com (Runegg at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 04:15:26 EDT
Subject: Sinister: NEW YORK PICNIC TODAY!!!
Message-ID: <fcb77089.35bae59f@aol.com>


hello to all of YOO.

 This is a final plansz invite to the

******************GRAND NYC SUMMER PICNIC****************************

which will take place this Sunday from 3pm on....



Go to the North end of Sheep's Meadow in Central Park.

Take the 1, 2, 3, 9 to Broadway/72nd, or the B or C to 72nd, and get 
out, walk east into the park.  Veer on the path, RIGHT, towards Sheep's 
Meadow.  ANyone will know where Sheep's Meadow is--it's a big field 
which will have lots of people.  The picnic will be near the north 
fence, just down from the bathrooms.  (There's only one set of 
bathrooms).  There will be some kind of a SINISTER sign and Milla in a 
yellow T-shirt.  Please bring: drinks, food to share, tapes, toys, 
games, walkmen/speakers, a pony, eggnog, force field, eggnog, balloon, 
flowers.  



Bring friends, Sinister or not.  OKay!



Call Milla @ Manhattan 625-0610 after 10 am Sunday.  There won't be a 
message before that.
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From LoonyLiz at xxx.com  Sun Jul 26 04:37:52 1998
From: LoonyLiz at xxx.com (LoonyLiz at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:37:52 EDT
Subject: Sinister: All I want is for you to like me!
Message-ID: <1a884f6d.35baa492@aol.com>


This is my first time posting to Sinister, although I have been on the list
(digest form for anybody who's interested) for about two months.  I finally
felt like being brave and introducing myself...so here I am.  My name is
Elisabeth.  I'm 16 and I live in California (that would be in the United
States for those of you who don't know)  Is this sounding too much like a
singles ad?  "I enjoy candlelit dinners and long walks on the beach..."heehee
:)  Hmmm.  That's all I have to say really.  I enjoy reading what all of you
lovely people have to write to eachother, but I have to admit that you can be
sort of intimidating to a person like me.  Half of the time I have no idea
what you're talking about, but I'm still very entertained by what goes on.  I
would really, really love to be accepted.  I don't really fear that you won't
accept me, but I am new, and many of you seem to have some special friendships
going on, so I feel a bit like an intruder.  I hope I haven't scared you yet.
Thank you very much :)

Oh, and for some Belle and Sebastian content, well, "Me and the Major" is
neat-o :)

Love and lollipops,
Elisabeth =o)

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From cires at xxx.uk  Sun Jul 26 13:13:09 1998
From: cires at xxx.uk (Cires)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:13:09 -0000
Subject: Sinister: re: boards of canada
Message-ID: <003201bdb88e$f5d22a20$f04aedc1@cirescomp>


HiYa,

-----Original Message-----
From: andrew dean <koogydelbbog at xxx.com>
To: sinister <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: 21 July 1998 09:07
Subject: Sinister: re: boards of canada

>beth:
>>Does anyone have any info on this Scottish band?
>>I've never heard of this "Boards Of Canada" band before...

>yeah, it's on warp here in the uk, an lp called 'music has the right
>to children' (about 18 tracks, is that the one you have?) and at it's
>best (that one track with 'pete' in the title) it does a passable
>autechre copy.

>something else. um, yeah, boards played a track for peel recently,
>played live into the station from the place where they record sessions
>so i guess a peel session is coming shortly. there's also another
>track on the warp 100 compilation cd out recently. and that's about
>it

I have a tape of a couple of tracks from a 12" "KMAS 001" Aquarius and
Chinook, I dunno if these tracks are on the album :-/
I thought they were from Edinburgh??

bye,
Cires

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Sat Jul 25 11:34:38 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:34:38 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Where Were You Hiding When the Storm Broke?
Message-ID: <01bdb7b7$d39fb800$LocalHost@itjfvkli>



Gary wrote:

>Now let me pluck this e-mail from sadness and shine a ray of light on it
>once more. My best day working at that golf club, was when this little
>oldish lady walked into the shop holding a CD, strange thing to bring to a
>golf club I thought. She walks straight up to me and say's, "I hear you're
a
>big fan of my son's band, he asked me to give you this". It's a signed DJ
>only promo of the Alarm's version of "Happy Christmas War is Over". It's
>dead rare now, cos it never got released over here cos the Gulf War broke
>out before they could release it. Oh and the day I got a phone call from
>Mike Peters booking the lessons and I thought it was my boss taking the
>piss, not uncommon for us to play phone pranks on each other, this one
>wasn't though, whopee. 87

If I may borrow a phrase....Gary - I have to meet you!
>
>Now i've thoroughly bored the arse of you, i'll go.
>
You certainly haven't bored me. Unfortunately I don't remember Mike's Ozzy
cut, but what I do remember about The Alarm is the insistence of their bass
player (?) on wearing a Wales football shirt for concerts. Not just any
Wales shirt, the one from the glory days of the Home International
Tournament, with snazzy stripes that kind of made the shape of the letter
"Y", as a tribute to Terry Yorath, I suppose. And the material was really
good, not like nowadays, I'm bloody sick of shiny material, it makes me want
to throw up. He had a kind of Pete Burns haircut. I had golf lessons once,
but I didn't stick at it for long. I now live in the famous Mr Olazabal's
home village, his father was greenkeeper. There's a little crazy golf course
just down the road, it seems to be where the local ruffians hang out though,
drinking beer and revving their mopeds. I'm sure if I went along they'd
think I was an undercover policeman.

To borrow another phrase ... now I've thoroughly bored the arse off you I'll
go.

Thank you,

Peter

PS: I had a look for that lost lyric, but I couldn't find it. I'd hazard a
guess at "big boy" though.
PPS: Festina....sheesh!

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From Runegg at xxx.com  Sun Jul 26 16:36:36 1998
From: Runegg at xxx.com (Runegg at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 11:36:36 EDT
Subject: Sinister: NEW YORK PICNIC
Message-ID: <2a9fbf53.35bb4d05@aol.com>



hello to all of YOO.

 This is a final plansz invite to the

******************GRAND NYC SUMMER PICNIC****************************

which will take place this Sunday from 3pm on....



Go to the North end of Sheep's Meadow in Central Park.

Take the 1, 2, 3, 9 to Broadway/72nd, or the B or C to 72nd, and get 
out, walk east into the park.  Veer on the path, RIGHT, towards Sheep's 
Meadow.  ANyone will know where Sheep's Meadow is--it's a big field 
which will have lots of people.  The picnic will be near the north 
fence, just down from the bathrooms.  (There's only one set of 
bathrooms).  There will be some kind of a SINISTER sign and Milla in a 
yellow T-shirt.  Please bring: drinks, food to share, tapes, toys, 
games, walkmen/speakers, a pony, eggnog, force field, eggnog, balloon, 
flowers.  



Bring friends, Sinister or not.  OKay!



Call Milla @ Manhattan 625-0610 after 10 am Sunday.  There won't be a 
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From emason at xxx.com  Sun Jul 26 16:40:35 1998
From: emason at xxx.com (Ed Mason)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:40:35 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980726164035.00699084@mail.u-net.com>


Erin and Christian both wrote recently about Nick Drake, here are a couple
of Nick Drake sites that I've found which people might be interested in,
they're both pretty good....

http://www.algonet.se/~iguana/DRAKE/DRAKE.html

http://www3.hb.se/kursinfo/studdocs/stefan/nick.htm

Cheers
Ed
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From tangent at xxx.net  Sun Jul 26 15:01:34 1998
From: tangent at xxx.net (duke of harringay)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 15:01:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Orange Juice releases
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PKHINTZ at aol.com wrote:

>         Polydor in the UK recently reissued and remasted the Orange Juice albums on
> CD with extra tracks.  Granted your friend goes to a record shop, they should
> have no problems locating the albums.  (Unless you are looking for the real
> deal original issue. . . )  I believe Postcard reissued the singles not too
> long ago also.  (I may be wrong on that last one--blame the headache from my
> summer cold.)

all my sympathy for summer cold sufferers, i've been in the same boat
for the past week. ugh. yes Postcard did issue a compilation of all
their OJ singles plus rarities, called 'the heather's on fire' it was/is
a brilliant collection, both in content and packaging. there's also a
'hidden' track at the end which is the nu-sonics 'who are the mystery
girls' and it's very entertaining. postcard also put out the essential
'ostrich churchyard' LP, which was the unreleased debut LP as recorded
before the Polydor deal. Very similar to the actual debut in terms of
songs, but it's even less polished, scratchier, and really it is
magical... especially to hear both parts 1 & 2 of 'Consolation Prize'.

as for finding original vinyl records, well the Postcard singles are
hard to find and usually very expensive... dunno about the Polydor ones,
last time i picked one up was about eight years ago. it was 'felicity'
and it cost me a quid at the time.

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From LoonyLiz at xxx.com  Sun Jul 26 21:49:12 1998
From: LoonyLiz at xxx.com (LoonyLiz at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:49:12 EDT
Subject: Sinister: did I get it right?
Message-ID: <c62813e4.35bb9649@aol.com>


I feel so silly, my first attempt at posting a message here and I sent it
straight to the listowner instead of the list.  So I sincerely hope that this
time it goes where it's supposed too...I would hate to make the same mistake
twice :)

This is my first time posting to Sinister, although I have been on the list
(digest form for anybody who's interested) for about two months.  I finally
felt like being brave and introducing myself...so here I am.  My name is
Elisabeth.  I'm 16 and I live in California (that would be in the United
States for those of you who don't know)  Is this sounding too much like a
singles ad?  "I enjoy candlelit dinners and long walks on the beach..."heehee
:)  Hmmm.  That's all I have to say really.  I enjoy reading what all of you
lovely people have to write to eachother, but I have to admit that you can be
sort of intimidating to a person like me.  Half of the time I have no idea
what you're talking about, but I'm still very entertained by what goes on.  I
would really, really love to be accepted.  I don't really fear that you won't
accept me, but I am new, and many of you seem to have some special friendships
going on, so I feel a bit like an intruder.  I hope I haven't scared you yet.
Thank you very much :)

Oh, and for some Belle and Sebastian content, well, "Me and the Major" is
neat-o :)

Love and lollipops,
Elisabeth =o)
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From suchgranddesigns at xxx.com  Mon Jul 27 05:28:05 1998
From: suchgranddesigns at xxx.com (j i l l i a n)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:28:05 -0400
Subject: Sinister: the boy with the arab strap makes my mouth slobber!
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On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:42:16 -0300 "Ivo A P Escossia"
<escossia at electus.com.br> writes:

>Matador Records Wrote:
>
>The forthcoming BELLE AND SEBASTIAN full-length has a title
>now, "The Boy with the Arab Strap." We expect to get a lot
>of flack for this, but it was entirely the band's decision.
>We gave them SEVERAL options for titles and this one was the
>one they chose. ("Stop, Look, Run On"; "Can't Fight the Cat
>Power"; or "Go Buy the New Solex Record" didn't have the
>right ring).

i mentioned this to a couple of people on chat already but for the rest
of you, i was thinking how amusing it would be if they used the title
"the boy with the arab strap" with honey's "songs for children" cover
photo.  then maybe the FCC could slap one of those menacing black and
white "PARENTAL ADVISORY" stickers on it or possibly one of those "not
intended for children" stickers like on the raunchy japanime videos.  i
bet honey's mommy would be really pleased then.

not that anyone asked, but i'm glad they didn't choose any of those other
titles cos they're pish.

incidentally, what's the opposite of pish?  is it saliva/slobber/spittle?

that is all.

stanzi.  xx
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From parachute at xxx.net  Mon Jul 27 05:53:38 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (brad)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:53:38 -0400
Subject: Sinister: volume is pleasant
Message-ID: <35BC07D2.3F93@earthlink.net>


i was reading this article in some magazine, i think maybe a.p., but
that's not important.
it was about all the new things going on in ol' athens, ga. you
know....neutral milk hotel, elf power, olivia tremor control...all those
bands. but then it went into the history of athens.....something i lived
through....and it brought back many good memories. of the music that is.
i hate the town. bunch of fucking fratboys and people who think they're
cooler than you.....and there's an athens way of talking. it's hard to
describe it in words, but everything sounds like a question.

"i'm gonna go to mcdonald's?"
"this is my demo?"

but anyway, that's not my point. well....screw all this nonsense. the
whole purpose of this letter is 

wasn't pylon one of the best fucking bands ever?

i dug out all my stuff. the pylon albums, the love tractor albums, the
athens ga inside out comp., squares blot out the sun...all of it. i even
started listening to my old rem stuff again which i hadn't listened to
since i realized what a fucking waste "monster" was.

but back to pylon...can i get an amen? duke? that perfection as a
hipster guy? anyone?  surely there are fans on this list. i reckon
anyone who likes the first couple of go-betweens albums would love
pylon.

i even liked their short lived reunion album. and that band on the
athens ga inside out album...the bar-b-q killers..."oh oh oh shit"

i'm rambling.

anyone else had these songs and bands and albums as their middle and
high school soundtracks? or is it a georgia thing?

-brad
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From alex at xxx.nl  Mon Jul 27 14:39:51 1998
From: alex at xxx.nl (Alex Tobin)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:39:51 -0400
Subject: Sinister: boards of canada info
Message-ID: <35BC8327.9C3272DC@tobin.demon.nl>


for all of you curious about those ace boards of canada, here's a little
site with a bit more info for ya.

http://www.ednet.co.uk/~ehx/artists/canada.htm

enjoy.


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From alex at xxx.nl  Mon Jul 27 15:07:23 1998
From: alex at xxx.nl (Alex Tobin)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:07:23 -0400
Subject: Sinister: boards of canada
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for all of you curious about those ace boards of canada, here's a little

site with a bit more info for ya.

http://www.ednet.co.uk/~ehx/artists/canada.htm

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From rob.dawson at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 09:19:44 1998
From: rob.dawson at xxx.uk (rob.dawson)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 09:19:44 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Please help Ticketmaster are a load of pap!!!
Message-ID: <980727091943.9732@mserv.res.bbsrc.ac.uk.0>


Please someone help.  I've been away in Borneo for a while and I come back to
find all the dates confirmed etc and tickets on sale!!!! AAArrggghh, I new this
would happen!  I phoned ticket master but she didn't even know who I was going
on about let alone anything else.  Has anyone got numbers I can phone to order
tickets with me credit card.  I would appriciate it loads,  

Cheers


Rob D
xxxxxx

P.S  The London gig hopefully.
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From aevans at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 09:23:02 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:23:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Fake Plastic Northys.
Message-ID: <01BDB940.2B96F1C0@pc07628>



Katrina wrote :

>Trash @ Plastic People on Oxford Street - good dj's, lovely (yet
>somewhat crowded and tiny) venue ... used to be going underground ....
>which was ace ... kind of like that britpop place we took you to on the
>saturday night, yet they play more 60's stuff on the monday's.

Does anyone know if this is an all-nighty type place ?
The prospect of walking back to Bognor in the early hours doesn't appeal.

Deckhand Miller wrote :

>The young lady in question does indeed expose her
>ample bosoms, but the camera only manages to capture one of them >briefly.
>Any jiggling was the fruit of Midshipman Miller's warped imagination.

You've shattered my dreams.

Work.
Adrian.
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 12:02:25 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:02:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Going to Yourinals  - aint that great
Message-ID: <lXkMqDAB5Fv1EwgG@elsato97.demon.co.uk>


Hello!

Mr Suity Man Adrian wrote for his subject line...
"Fake plastic Northys".
DOESN'T THAT SCARE YOU AS TO MR EVANS'S PASSTIMES?????

As for Boards of Canada, I dunno anything about them! Wayhey! And as for
loking stuff up on the internet - heres my situation - 10 minutes to
look at 2 sites, and then it crashed. WAH!! Tis not fair!
Are they scary?
Homer from Drugstore (DOH!) was talking to scary Scottish dude in Action
about them I remember.... but then I had to go and be a Pop Photographer
and dismantle a record store to take photos of his Lig-ness himself,
John while he was schmoozin' wit da band....

The Boy With the Arab Strap. 
I think it should either be :
Cock Fun
   OR!!!
SOCK FUN!!!

With a inlay of the band playing with sock puppets! Brilliant! Yeah!
Pippets are they brilliant, cos they arent like real actors and they can
DO more stuff, cos actors like smell and stuff don't they! Heheeheh!
Yeah it can be a concept album on socks.... "It could have been a
brillaint pair of socks"...."Simple Socks"... "Sockboy Dream".. "Dirty
Sock #2"...

urr.... 
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From rob.dawson at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 13:48:37 1998
From: rob.dawson at xxx.uk (rob.dawson)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 13:48:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Hurrah, I'm now the proud owner of two very fine B&S tickets.
Message-ID: <980727134836.9732@mserv.res.bbsrc.ac.uk.0>


Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou  I gave the box office a call and got my tickets
five minutes ago.  I'm all excited now.

 Cheers loads,

Rob D xxxxx

P.S  Anyone else going on the 7th  
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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 14:34:34 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:34:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: FW: Matador Tour Dates 7/24/98
Message-ID: <F292934A5CEAD111892E00A0C943E5AB06274F@kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk>


For those who were asking about Scotland dates, I don't know if this is
accurate or anything, but...

> From: 	carrie at xxx.csom]
> Sent: 	24 July 1998 23:26
> To: 	edaplynr3n00297 at kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk
> 
> Belle and Sebastian
> 
>  8/31 Glasgow - Maryhill Com.
>  9/1 Glasgow - Maryhill Com.
> 
	Whatever.  Enjoy!

             ByeBye,
                          Liz.
                         
*************************************************
                Tsuki-Yuki-Hana

Twitch the blind and peep at the moon.
The big round moon like a piece of soap.
It washes the daylight out of your eyes
and fills them with night-time.

                                                Ivor Cutler
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From John.Stuart at xxx.com  Mon Jul 27 14:45:31 1998
From: John.Stuart at xxx.com (John Stuart/mail+schedule)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:45:31 -0700
Subject: Sinister: FW: Matador Tour Dates 7/24/98
Message-ID: <93CA1ADD24AED111B6CF00A0C906763019CEF7@EDINBURGH>


Thanks very much.

Can anyone at jeepster back this up?

> ----------
> From: 	ELIZABETH DAPLYN[SMTP:EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk]
> Reply To: 	ELIZABETH DAPLYN
> Sent: 	27 July 1998 14:34
> To: 	'sinister at majordomo.net'
> Subject: 	Sinister: FW: Matador Tour Dates 7/24/98
> 
> 
> For those who were asking about Scotland dates, I don't know if this is
> accurate or anything, but...
> 
> > From: 	carrie at xxx.csom]
> > Sent: 	24 July 1998 23:26
> > To: 	edaplynr3n00297 at kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk
> > 
> > Belle and Sebastian
> > 
> >  8/31 Glasgow - Maryhill Com.
> >  9/1 Glasgow - Maryhill Com.
> > 
> 	Whatever.  Enjoy!
> 
>              ByeBye,
>                           Liz.
>                          
> *************************************************
>                 Tsuki-Yuki-Hana
> 
> Twitch the blind and peep at the moon.
> The big round moon like a piece of soap.
> It washes the daylight out of your eyes
> and fills them with night-time.
> 
>                                                 Ivor Cutler
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From bcw4977 at xxx.edu  Mon Jul 27 15:02:02 1998
From: bcw4977 at xxx.edu (brian)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:02:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: A big New York Picnic "hmmmmm"
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980727095148.28507B-100000@is2.nyu.edu>



hi folks,

so my dear boy PKHINTZ and i were wandering about the wreckage that is
midtown manhattan yesterday and decided that maybe we should pop in to the
New York Picnic and see what was what.

after figuring out how to get around that wacky collapsing-building thing,
figuring out how to get around those crazy goodwill games, and figuring
out how to get around the scary three-quarters naked sun worshippers in
the sheeps meadow, we dutifully began our search for milla of the yellow
shirt or anyone who was not a chelsea gym boy trying to turn tricks in the
park.

we failed miserably and went to see Henry Fool instead. it was a little
unsettling, and rather interesting. the movie that is.

so, someone fill me in. were the picnic plans changed? or did everyone
just get naked and blend in with the regulars of the sheeps meadow in
summertime? we were a little late due to a run-in with my wacky irish
cousin and his tales of the running of the bulls in pamplona. maybe we
just missed the picnic entirely. sigh.

i think new york is cursed. that must be it.

nothing to do but laundry,
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 14:04:04 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:04:04 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Yes it is...
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...a very fine version of a Design For Life I'm listening to. Sounds
more poignant and less "anthemic"....very nice....
Wish I knew where it came from. Restrained keys instead of those soaring
strings....fuck this is beautiful!
keyboards remind me of Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner while we
are on about B&S before I get yelled at to shut up.
If anyone vaguely recogises this description could you tell me if you
know where this recording is from? Wow! It's followed by...
Slash'n'Burn?! Oh fuck this is spoiling my mood.... 
Yey - 3 Belle and Sebastian fans on the list :)
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 14:06:31 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:06:31 +0100
Subject: Sinister: DOH! Ignore previous mail
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It meant to go to the MSP list
There are more than 3 B&S fans on here I hope....
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
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From keith at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 15:37:36 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:37:36 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Fret-Wizardry
Message-ID: <001201bdb96c$1929d3a0$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


Yes, I'd agree that the fantastic fretwork on "Eruption" is defintely worth
an Ivor Novello award, it's the screaming harmonics and frantic dive-bombing
that does it for me.

Cheers,
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From keith at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 15:38:09 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:38:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: DOH! Ignore previous mail
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DOH! Sorry, that last mail was intended for the Van Halen mailing list.
Sorry

Cheers,
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From honey at xxx.net  Mon Jul 27 15:59:25 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:59:25 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: FW: Matador Tour Dates 7/24/98
In-Reply-To: <93CA1ADD24AED111B6CF00A0C906763019CEF7@EDINBURGH>
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On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, John Stuart/mail+schedule wrote:

> Thanks very much.
> Can anyone at jeepster back this up?
> 
> > From: 	ELIZABETH DAPLYN[SMTP:EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk]
> >
> > >  8/31 Glasgow - Maryhill Com.
> > >  9/1 Glasgow - Maryhill Com.

Not, repeat NOT from Jeepster :)  From my sofa I can confirm that
I've heard that they will play Maryhill Community Centre on these
dates, that the gigs will be "warm-ups" and therefore were probably
going to get announced in a more cosy way just before, and that
Matador might get a little bottom slap.  I doubt very much whether
you can get tickets and such yet, but there's a detective on the
case.  I think the band are afraid they might be crap, sorry I mean a
bit rusty (is that libel?), and so don't want this announced as a
full-blown gig, but were going to tell us all nearer the time.  It'll
be very much a lemonade and crisps affair I think, just like the
do-dah concert at the church hall.

By the way lots of people were very sweet about my grrry message to
the list earlier - thanks for being kind and suggesting some stuff,
and also for responding to my pleas.  I'm still at home and feeling a
bit grotty but hopefully I'll be bright as a button soon.

Oh and someone on indiepop suggested an idea that I think is
brilliant, but won't be executed due to the fact it's too much
trouble.  But we could all bandy together to bid for Stevie's
Tigermilk, each put in say 2 quid, get the damn things out the hands
of some fat slug who's got more money than sense, and then have a
raffle HERE amongst the people who paid 2 quid.  That way someone who
doesn't own a small office building may still have their very own
copy.  For those whose hearts are set on it.  Just an idea but I'm
afraid I haven't got the energy to organise it :)  This one's had a
lot of publicity though and so I suspect it will go for a ridiculous
amount of money, and therefore not worth our while doing, but it's in
a good cause I guess.  They'll be some people with M.E. who go to that
clinic so I'm not moaning.

Over and out from me, Splat and the sofa.

honey xxx


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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Mon Jul 27 16:06:14 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:06:14 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Paging Doctor Jazz
Message-ID: <01bdb970$19b1cb80$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


>It meant to go to the MSP list
>There are more than 3 B&S fans on here I hope....


Sarah, you sound remarkably restrained on the MSP list. Anyway, I thnk you
might have been listening to an unreleased experimental mix made before thay
had a whip round for the strings. That's the song I've heard, by the way,
albeit with strings.

Stuff Bernard Butler and Gus Honeybun. On Saturday Kirk Lightsey, the famous
jazz pianist, said hello to me - for no reason! What a pleasant fellow he
seems to be. His style is seated firmly in the roots of bop - it says here.
I can't comment because I didn't see him, but I love him and his incredibly
groovy band, who I did see. I also saw "the world's greatest blues organist
in the world", Jimmy McGriff and his quartet. They did a really funky,
virtually unrecognisable, version of Ode to Billie Joe by Bobbie Gentry and
another stomping great funkathon that was really cookin'. And all for free.
Free jazz. Cosmic wind. Celestial vibes. There was a big fat man with a big
beard walking around wearing a badge that siad "Doctor Jazz". There's always
one, isn't there?  Tomorrow I'm hoping to see the Philadelphia Gospel
Seminars Choir. Oh happy day!

What is Maryhill Com? It sounds like a website. Are you sure it's not
Maryhill Co-op?

Brad, my brother does that questioning intonation thing? I find it really
annoying?

Peter?

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From honey at xxx.net  Mon Jul 27 16:23:27 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:23:27 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: errors
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980727162024.13247C-100000@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>


Oh, some of you who posted to the list have been getting errors back
from one "spin359 at bbs.vabch.net".  The offending email address has
been removed - it appears the mail program there was SO brain-dead it
didn't know to send errors back to me, but sent them back to the
sender.  I get about 50 of these a day so have pity :)

Oh sorry that was meant for the Gardener's Question Time mailing list.

honey xxx

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From rob.dawson at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 16:29:46 1998
From: rob.dawson at xxx.uk (rob.dawson)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 16:29:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Monday 7th!!!!!!!!!!!!    *:O)
Message-ID: <980727162945.9732@mserv.res.bbsrc.ac.uk.0>


I can't wait!!!!! So is anyone else going to the London gig?  I haven't got my
tickets through the post yet so I don't know any times but it'd be cool to go
for a drink after and discuss the theory of relativity or I suppose we could
talk about B&S!  


Hurrah, Hurrah

from a majorly over excited Robbie D
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     Think I just had an excitement overload!!

"All the worlds a stage and the people in it are mearly making a mess all over
the nicely polished floor"




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From rob.dawson at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 16:33:15 1998
From: rob.dawson at xxx.uk (rob.dawson)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 16:33:15 +0100
Subject: Sinister: D'OH!  sorry about the last message, that was meant for the "I'm a 
         loony" mailing list.
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Just thought I'd better say enough of this mellarchy, we're just waisting
space.

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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Mon Jul 27 16:37:22 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:37:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Don't go outside
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Good grief.

Having been to see Pulp at Finsbury Park, I just thought I'd subscribe
to the Pulp mailing list to see what people were saying about it
(pretty poor I thought). It's HORRID on there.  I walked straight into
some kind of astonishingly bitter but utterly banal dispute about some
list celebrity called Tovi and who got her backstage passes to meet
Jarvis.

I shall never play away from home again.

Nick xx

BTW Thanks for all your suggestions on the 'good films about love with
happy endings' front, especially for Richard's valiant attempt to
relate it to Belle and Sebastian.  They have been passed on.  Adrian's
Sleepless in Seattle gets nil points.  Probably best if any further
suggestions are sent to me privately...

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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Mon Jul 27 10:24:43 1998
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:24:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: No subject
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>Someone wrote:
>Funny the timing of things.  Yesterday I got a phone call at work from a
>friend wo seemed all flustered.  He wanted me to go to the Sinister site and
>look at this picture  of this girl, stlucy.  I mentioned I had seen all listee
>pictures and  remembered seeing a picture of lovely saint lucy.  My friend was
>so smitten  with her picture he printed out a few copies.

>So someone has a crush on Saint Lucy.

I have to admit that I too have a crush on SaintLucy after seeing her picture
on the Sinister page (superficial I know but you can't always be deep). 

Someone else wrote:
>Hey kids,      I just got my Tigermilk today.  WHEE!!!!!  I have to say that
>"She's Losing It" could be my new theme song.  And much thanks to Beth, who
>provided the coolest (and weirdest) tape cover I've ever seen.  (Too bad she
>didn't sign up for the tape list!)

I am probably the millionth person to ask this but can someone do me a tape of
Tigermilk. Cheeky question I know but I can think of no other way. The person
who does this will receive riches beyond their wildest dreams (well a big thank
you, a list cruch vote from me and a Swizzlestick).

Cheers
Rich

"Oooh look at our dark sexuality, AND I look a bit androgynous. How
alternative."
Brian Molko, Placebo

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From oger at xxx.fr  Mon Jul 27 17:04:47 1998
From: oger at xxx.fr (oger tony)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:04:47 +0200
Subject: No subject
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hi all :)

i want to know if someone got mp3 (mpeg3) from belle et sebastian.I have got
only the 3 ep singles in mp3 format, and i m searchin other songs or albums from
belle et sebastian.If someone could help me with..
thanks.tony

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From rob.dawson at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 17:35:55 1998
From: rob.dawson at xxx.uk (rob.dawson)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 17:35:55 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Photos
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Hiya all,

Just saw the photos everyone's on about,  I can see why 1/2 the list (slight
exaggeration) likes Lucy, wow!! There are plenty of gorgeous galls and guys on
there though. I had know Idea Belle and Seb fans were intelligent and gorgeous,
thought I was the only one! he he


Robbie D
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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 16:43:41 1998
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:43:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Fake Plastic Northys.
References: <01BDB940.2B96F1C0@pc07628>
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Hello,


Adrian Evans wrote:
 
> Katrina wrote :
> >Trash @ Plastic People on Oxford Street - good dj's, lovely (yet
> >somewhat crowded and tiny) venue ... used to be going underground ....
> >which was ace ... kind of like that britpop place we took you to on the
> >saturday night, yet they play more 60's stuff on the monday's.
 
> Does anyone know if this is an all-nighty type place ?
> The prospect of walking back to Bognor in the early hours doesn't appeal.

it finishes at about three, but we're hoping to organise a promotion for
the new album, posters giveaways etc. etc. @ Trash for that night ... so
you should go anyway.

surely there's enough london listees to put people up for the evening so
that they don't have to walk back to bognor ... come on you lot!

bye bye,
Katrina.
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From shop at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 18:30:53 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:30:53 +0100
Subject: Sinister: ticketmaster?
References: <35B900D1.8472ED42@tobin.demon.nl> <35BC532F.D9611111@jeepster.co.uk> <35BCEA4C.FA9EF40@tobin.demon.nl>
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confirmed details are that ticketmaster WILL have tickets, and they
should appear on their web site over the next three days.

if there are probs let us know after this time as it's out of our hands
for that time (whilst ticketmaster do their thing)

--

Alex Tobin wrote:
> 
> cheers to all of you jeepster folks for your efforts.  us living on
> the continent (at least me) really appreciate it.
> 
> alex tobin
> 
> david kitchen wrote:
> 
> > we've heard that they're having a few probs with their tickets. the
> > promotor is on the case and should be getting back to us later today
> > (monday) to give us more details.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Alex Tobin wrote:
> > >
> > > does anyone honestly know when ticketmaster is going to get it together
> > > and post online booking info for the b&s tour?
> > >
> > > as i live in holland, i could do without ringing up to england...  but,
> > > alas, still nary a trace of b&s on their site.
> > >
> > > anyone know the almighty answers?
> > >
> > > @lex!
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From shop at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 16:25:25 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:25:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: collaborations
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Peter Miller suggested:

I think it might be a good idea to include a list of side projects and
collaborations in the FAQs or somewhere else. There might be one
already, but I haven't seen it if there is. For instance I would like to
know if Stuart M is on that Arab Strap LP with the nudie paintings on
the cover, and if so, is he at all noticeable, that kind of thing. Thank
you for your time and well done for the website, it's looking nice, I
hope you're (both) happy working there.

to which i reply:

which i think is a bloody cool idea, except i don't know all of the
things they've worked on. i recently heard that mick cooke is on the
mojave3 single playing trumpet!

so should i be including all collaborations or just the ones that turn
up on records? i mean, they've all played all over the place and
wouldn't it just be confusing? or would you all just want a list of the
records they've turned up on and the cat numbers?

and because i'm run off my feet with the salako site and tour thingys
and merchandise and new shirts (they're coming!) and databases and oh,
yawn!

so yeah, talk amoungst yourself for a little, and kick me when you've
come up with a nice list of what they've done to date, and i'll try and
keep it up to date from that point, and yes it will appear on the FAQ.

did someone not do this a short time ago on the list?

too busy to stop and research this properly, i'll be more approachable
when there's less to do :)

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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 20:03:39 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:03:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Oh, and Santa doesn't exist either.
Message-ID: <35BCCF0B.322B@gold.globalcafe.co.uk>


StLucy crushes, heh! Without wanting to spoil anyones carefully
nurtured fantasies, let's just say that Mad Tag McTag has a biiiig grin
on his face right now.

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From babyblu at xxx.uk  Mon Jul 27 20:08:19 1998
From: babyblu at xxx.uk (Rory Mackie)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:08:19 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Arteries
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Chicken chow mein or chocalte mousse are probably your best bets.
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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Mon Jul 27 20:12:16 1998
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:12:16 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Who/Cinerama
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Hi Sinisterines,

Re the recent thread about the Who, I went to that gig at Charlton and the
Who were brilliant, as were Little Feat (bet that's the first time they've
got a mention on this list!). Not a bad day out for £4. Don't remember
seeing any half naked girls, though. 

Someone also recently berated a journalist for lack of imagination in
comparing Cinerama with our darlings B & S - apart from the fact that David
Lewis Gedge teams up with a female singer from Glasgow on a couple of
tracks, goes for a rich augmented rock band sound including woodwind,
strings & trumpet, and has written modern pop songs that draw on the best
traditions of the last 30 years, I personally can't see any resembalnce at
all!

6 weeks to go tonight!
 
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From TWidmer at xxx.com  Mon Jul 27 20:31:50 1998
From: TWidmer at xxx.com (Tara Widmer)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:31:50 -0700
Subject: Sinister: flying from califor-nye-ay to New York
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The East Coast USA dates for B&S shows will probably be announced
sometime in the coming weeks, and I'm taking a guess that I'm not the
only person obsessed/excited (or is that desperate/pathetic?) enough to
consider flying from my tour-disadvantaged area to someplace like New
York, Boston or Washington DC in hopes of seeing a gig.  So do we have
any generous souls on the list who are willing to offer accommodations
to those of us who do that??  Just someplace to sleep for a night or
two.  

	On the subject on grubbing (well, my last name ain't
Rockerfeller) if anyone else on the list is going to that concert at
Shoreline Amphitheatre on August 13th, this lil kitten needs a lift
there from San Francisco and back. I even have an extra ticket!! so
please let me know if you can help. cos I, like, really really want to
go. 

	thanks, sugar
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From kwl96 at xxx.edu  Mon Jul 27 20:45:49 1998
From: kwl96 at xxx.edu (azriel)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:45:49 -0400
Subject: Sinister: hello
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hello. i'm new on the list.
actually, i'm pretty new to belle and sebastian, too.

so, i'm here basically to find out more about the music and the fanbase and
all that wonderful stuff.
if you want to know anything about me go to my homepage:
http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~kwl96/crap.html
i've just subbed yesterday, and you all seem like a fabulous group of
people. i sure hope i'm right. ;)

-kerry

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i want to i can stay, if i want to i can leave. nobody knows me . . ."
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From harrypalmer66 at xxx.com  Tue Jul 28 00:23:38 1998
From: harrypalmer66 at xxx.com (Richard Hutt)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:23:38 PDT
Subject: Sinister: a pathetic sop
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Good afternoon, list

As a pathetic sop to all those on or near the West Coast of America who 
won't get to see B&S live in this or any other lifetime, I offer the 
following:

since that review suggested the new elpee as sounding fantastic on the 
Pacific Coast Highway, I am hereby offering my services as driver and 
host for the West Coast listening party. My car seats six in relative 
comfort, and I just splashed out on a car stereo, so I propose to fit 
five listees in it and drive up and down the coast for an hour or two 
listening to the album, as near as possible to the release date, or 
before depending on who gets a tape and when.

They may get to go to glitzy Oxford Street bacchanalian nightclubs, but 
you and I can find some comfort in the sunset from Zuma Beach. They can 
keep their bohemian London "night bus", we have a 1970 Dodge Polara with 
gold seats. And no one on board smells of pee. Apart from me.


Richard

the offer is of course open to the entire list, but that might involve 
some kind of shuttle bus.  

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From: HobieS at xxx.net (Shackie)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:30:19 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Re: 
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> I am probably the millionth person to ask this but can someone do me a tape of
> Tigermilk. Cheeky question I know but I can think of no other way. The person
> who does this will receive riches beyond their wildest dreams (well a big thank
> you, a list cruch vote from me and a Swizzlestick).
>
>

ditto here...

~darling
...whos dying for some tigermilk

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From james at xxx.gov  Tue Jul 28 05:22:47 1998
From: james at xxx.gov (james at xxx.gov)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:22:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Mark and Greg are you out there
Message-ID: <199807280422.VAA26007@arion.jpl.nasa.gov>


Sorry everyone else, but i am just trying to get Mark and Greg who I know check 
this regularly to email me.

Thanks
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From monroej at xxx.com  Tue Jul 28 07:53:26 1998
From: monroej at xxx.com (John F. Monroe)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 23:53:26 -0700
Subject: Sinister: RE: Going to Yourinals - aint that great
Message-ID: <000b01bdb9f4$70abada0$328bcfa9@monroej.execpc>


Startre writes:

Homer from Drugstore (DOH!) was talking to scary Scottish dude in Action
about them I remember....

* ha, yes he does look a lot like Homer - his name is Mike, by the way :)

but then I had to go and be a Pop Photographer
and dismantle a record store to take photos of his Lig-ness himself,
John while he was schmoozin' wit da band....

* and at that point when i get them developed ( and a big shout out to
Starry for photos! whoo whoo! ), and if it isn't too objectionable, i might
send that one in to the people pages, so you can all see the Homer
resemblance ... an' me being a hanger-on supreme!

then again, me with four gigantic Sausage People is pretty tempting too.
no pics have people posing with celebs OR Sausage People, that i know of :)

The Boy With the Arab Strap.
I think it should either be :
Cock Fun
OR!!!
SOCK FUN!!!

* i agree on Sock Fun :)
or, 52 Reminders of the Insane

With a inlay of the band playing with sock puppets! Brilliant! Yeah!
Pippets are they brilliant, cos they arent like real actors and they can
DO more stuff, cos actors like smell and stuff don't they!

* smell is quite important, no smellheadery allowed, nuh-uh.

 Heheeheh!
Yeah it can be a concept album on socks.... "It could have been a
brillaint pair of socks"...."Simple Socks"... "Sockboy Dream".. "Dirty
Sock #2"...

* i wouldn't stop there, and even though some would comment on the look-back
bores, one could revise the previous titles too!
If You're Feeling A Sock, Me and the Sock, Judy and the Dream of Socks, Like
Dylan In Socks, A Century of Socks, Hurley's Having Socks,  Sockfull Of
Hollow, Lazer Guided Socks .... ( hey, how did they get in there ??) by now,
i believe the words flogging, dead and horse are being uttered, but oh does
the fun never stop 'round here? :)

Aquarius - this is your horoscope !
( courtesy of the magnificient Onion newspaper ):

The polite, well-dressed people who ring your doorbell and ask to come and
and talk to you about pancakes turn out to be Jemima's Witnesses.

mmm, sacrilicious! :)

always thought of myself as more a song and dance man,
-john


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From aevans at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 28 08:38:21 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:38:21 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Test Match Special
Message-ID: <01BDBA03.1755A940@pc07628>



Katrina Wrote :

>it finishes at about three, but we're hoping to organise a promotion for
>the new album, posters giveaways etc. etc. @ Trash for that night ... so
>you should go anyway.

>surely there's enough london listees to put people up for the evening so
>that they don't have to walk back to bognor ... come on you lot!

But David Wrote me Privately :

>it ends at about 3:30 am, there is as far as i know, no all-nighter on a
>monday night in london. best bet is to go here and then stay in bar
>italia till the first tubes start!

I guess this is what *My Kate* and I will be doing, and I know Oon is keen to show her stamina....don't know if anyone else is interested in plodding along and winding down there...oh and that's winding (like a clock)..I have no intentions of dragging a three month old baby along to the gig.

Sarah from the Preston Popular Front wrote :

>Mr Suity Man Adrian wrote for his subject line...
>"Fake plastic Northys".
>DOESN'T THAT SCARE YOU AS TO MR EVANS'S PASSTIMES?????

Oooooh inflatable Northy's whatever would Kate say ??  Actually snot such a bad idea....David Kitchen could knock a few up in his shed..I'm sure they'd sell like really hot hot-cakes.

As for my passtimes young lady, any spare time I have is very innocently spent busking outside Exeter Marks and Spencer, playing the theme tune to Test Match special with a spoon on mugs with differing amounts of water in them.

Nick wrote :

>Adrian's Sleepless in Seattle gets nil points.

You SHIT...you know I retracted that and replaced it with The Little Mermaid.

HoneyPaul wrote :

>hopefully I'll be bright as a button soon.

Ho ho ho...how I wished this had said *I'll be bright as a BUTTON MOON*

No ?

I'm sure I've got a coat round 'ere.

Adrian.
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From JohnJ at xxx.com  Tue Jul 28 09:36:57 1998
From: JohnJ at xxx.com (John Johnston)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:36:57 +0100
Subject: Sinister: London gig accomodation option
Message-ID: <B187481CB498D111BDF200C0F017CB920DD03C@EXCHANGE>


I noticed from the photo on the recent Jeepster mailout that Stewpot M
is left handed...I'm sure this explains a lot. Such as "If you're
feeling Sinister". "If your feeling Dexter" would not have had worked
and would probably have got you in troub with the police. And it would
always have reminded me of Dexter Fletcher for whom I have the utmost
lothing because a bloke I know who looks a bit like him is going out
with a girl I fancy.

Dexter's an odd name - I think it would rank about 3rd in my list of
names I never trust, after Spencer and Justin. But I am openminded and
if you are a Spencer or a Justin email me privately if you feel you
wrongly tarred by your namesake's brush.

Anyhow enough of this rubbish. What I wanted to do was say that I could
fit 3 lovely listees at my place after the gig on 7th. I live on a big
spooky hill on top of an old Indian burial ground and I don't get many
visitors..... Actually it's Hammersmith - about 20mins from the Venue
and I'd be delighted to help out if I could.

To get a spot on our ample Sofa you need to either send me an excellent
limerick about yourself or prove that you are my list crush! 

xx
John
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From parachute at xxx.net  Tue Jul 28 09:54:21 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (brad)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 04:54:21 -0400
Subject: Sinister: subject
Message-ID: <35BD91BD.5783@earthlink.net>


it's 4:40 a.m. here in georgia and i just drove three hours from atlanta
to get back home and i'm tired, but i'm such a sad little fuck that i
had to check my messages before konkchoo land.

so i'll go ahead and fill you in.....duke, pay close attention.

i would've posted this to the magnetic fields list, but they seem to be
a bunch of pretentious farts, so i'd rather let ya'll hear about it.

i just got back from the best damn show in years in the best damn club
i've ever been to. i'm speaking of magnetic fields and damon and naomi
and the wonderul wonderful great local band, seely. seely was a bit of a
surprise. i have their albums cause i know the drummer from when he
worked at this record store called wuxtry. but i had never seen them
live. they were fucking amazing. they were layin down grooves that would
make stereolab want to pack it in. i'm gonna have to go back and listen
to those albums some more. they're on too pure if anyone's interested.

then, damon and naomi. ahhhhh. i had never seen them live either. one
word.......magical. damon on acoustic, naomi on bass and sometimes this
weird little organ that was kind of like an accordion except you didn't
hold it. she had to keep pumping this thing in the back i guess to send
air for the notes. they didn't play 1969, but they did play laika and
the first song off the new album that i can't remember the name of and
this car climbed mt. washington. but they didn't play 1969. oh
well....can't win em all.

and then the man with the master plan.....stephin merritt. i had seen
them twice before, once in d.c. when they weren't that great, once in
atlanta last year when they played for three hours and it was the best
show i had ever been to. both times the setup was two guitars, cello,
drums. a far cry from the electronics of the albums. this time however,
there were no drums. claudia was on piano, stephin on guitar, that cello
guy, and then the other dude was playing a banjo. yes, you heard it...a
banjo. but it worked really well. there wasn't as much friendly banter
from stephin this time as last time, but i didn't expect it. they played
about seven or eight new songs along with lots of other stuff. and if
the the songs on the new album sound anything near as good as they do
live, we're gonna be witnessing history in the making (not that
"holiday" and "charm of the highway strip" weren't...they were also).
there's one that blew me away where the chorus is "i've been kissing
this bottle wishing it was you". they even played "the tiny goat" off
the gothic archies thing. the gothic archies stuff works much better
live than on cd in my opinion. and stephin was actually hitting some
falsetto notes. when he sang "josephine" off of the distant plastic
trees album, he actually did the high part on the lyric "science fiction
about you" just like the girl who sang it did. he also got his voice
lower than i had ever heard it on one of the new songs. it sounded like
he swallowed a foghorn. i saw about three people go up to the
merchandise booth and ask which cd they should get. they all walked away
with "charm". there was even this drunk fratboy who was asking me about
them saying he had never heard them, but "this is the best shit i've
ever heard".......makes me think maybe people aren't so bad after all.

oh yeah, and they covered "more than a feeling" by boston. i couldn't
take the stupid grin off my face.

i'm off to sleep.
-brad
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From conform at xxx.com  Tue Jul 28 10:44:22 1998
From: conform at xxx.com (Seamus Campbell)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:44:22 -0700
Subject: Sinister: subject
Message-ID: <01FF24001403D011AD7B00A024BC53C53BF264@cane.deming.com>


 
   man, i'm excited.  the magnetic fields are finally coming to olympia.
i thought stephin merritt had decided he never wanted to play anywhere
but the east coast.  and i'm being careful not too expect too much, as
he's a reputation for being a little less than polite sometimes, and it
seems totally reasonable that the live versions of the songs might not
have the oomph of get lost (by far my favorite MF album).  but i haven't
been this excited about a show for a while now.  
 
   also, for what it's worth, sleater-kinney covered 'more than a
feeling' on, i believe, the 'welcome to villa villa kula' compilation.
 
   seamus

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	brad [SMTP:parachute at xxx.net]
> Sent:	Tuesday, July 28, 1998 1:54 AM
> To:	sinister at majordomo.net
> Subject:	Sinister: subject
> 
> 
> it's 4:40 a.m. here in georgia and i just drove three hours from
> atlanta
> to get back home and i'm tired, but i'm such a sad little fuck that i
> had to check my messages before konkchoo land.
> 
> so i'll go ahead and fill you in.....duke, pay close attention.
> 
> i would've posted this to the magnetic fields list, but they seem to
> be
> a bunch of pretentious farts, so i'd rather let ya'll hear about it.
> 
> i just got back from the best damn show in years in the best damn club
> i've ever been to. i'm speaking of magnetic fields and damon and naomi
> and the wonderul wonderful great local band, seely. seely was a bit of
> a
> surprise. i have their albums cause i know the drummer from when he
> worked at this record store called wuxtry. but i had never seen them
> live. they were fucking amazing. they were layin down grooves that
> would
> make stereolab want to pack it in. i'm gonna have to go back and
> listen
> to those albums some more. they're on too pure if anyone's interested.
> 
> then, damon and naomi. ahhhhh. i had never seen them live either. one
> word.......magical. damon on acoustic, naomi on bass and sometimes
> this
> weird little organ that was kind of like an accordion except you
> didn't
> hold it. she had to keep pumping this thing in the back i guess to
> send
> air for the notes. they didn't play 1969, but they did play laika and
> the first song off the new album that i can't remember the name of and
> this car climbed mt. washington. but they didn't play 1969. oh
> well....can't win em all.
> 
> and then the man with the master plan.....stephin merritt. i had seen
> them twice before, once in d.c. when they weren't that great, once in
> atlanta last year when they played for three hours and it was the best
> show i had ever been to. both times the setup was two guitars, cello,
> drums. a far cry from the electronics of the albums. this time
> however,
> there were no drums. claudia was on piano, stephin on guitar, that
> cello
> guy, and then the other dude was playing a banjo. yes, you heard
> it...a
> banjo. but it worked really well. there wasn't as much friendly banter
> from stephin this time as last time, but i didn't expect it. they
> played
> about seven or eight new songs along with lots of other stuff. and if
> the the songs on the new album sound anything near as good as they do
> live, we're gonna be witnessing history in the making (not that
> "holiday" and "charm of the highway strip" weren't...they were also).
> there's one that blew me away where the chorus is "i've been kissing
> this bottle wishing it was you". they even played "the tiny goat" off
> the gothic archies thing. the gothic archies stuff works much better
> live than on cd in my opinion. and stephin was actually hitting some
> falsetto notes. when he sang "josephine" off of the distant plastic
> trees album, he actually did the high part on the lyric "science
> fiction
> about you" just like the girl who sang it did. he also got his voice
> lower than i had ever heard it on one of the new songs. it sounded
> like
> he swallowed a foghorn. i saw about three people go up to the
> merchandise booth and ask which cd they should get. they all walked
> away
> with "charm". there was even this drunk fratboy who was asking me
> about
> them saying he had never heard them, but "this is the best shit i've
> ever heard".......makes me think maybe people aren't so bad after all.
> 
> oh yeah, and they covered "more than a feeling" by boston. i couldn't
> take the stupid grin off my face.
> 
> i'm off to sleep.
> -brad
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From d.barker at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 28 12:36:59 1998
From: d.barker at xxx.uk (Cassell Professional Publishing)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:36:59 +0100
Subject: Sinister: mojave 3 tomorrow night
Message-ID: <001601bdba1c$186ba3c0$7b65e4d4@server>


Is anyone going to see their support slot at ULU tomorrow night? They're
playing with Locust, who I know absolutely nothing about, but I'm hopelessly
in love with the mojave 3 EP, especially the third song which sounds like
the best bits of the Eagles and Pink Floyd, and makes me want to drive
through the mojave desert.

Managed to get hold of a copy of the boy with the arab strap, and have been
listening to it non-stop since Saturday. It is the most nostalgic record
I've ever heard. I think the reason Chick Factor is getting low scores in
the voting booth is not because it's crap, but because it completely throws
the momentum of the second half of the record. It's a lovely song, and is
the closest thing to the Left Banke imaginable. My favourites are Ease your
feet into the sea, and Rollercoaster ride which could just go on for ever...

Also, the Arnold record is fantastic. It's very nearly as good as OK
computer, and at times is a total rip-off of that record, but you can't
complain, really.

Lastly, if country music doesn't make you sick, the Lucinda Williams record
is lush. It's not quite as good as all the grown up newspapers are saying,
but still fabby.

Take care,

DAVID

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From keith at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 28 12:46:41 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:46:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: mojave 3 tomorrow night
Message-ID: <000801bdba1d$63268a50$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>


>Managed to get hold of a copy of the boy with the arab strap, and have been
>listening to it non-stop since Saturday. It is the most nostalgic record
>I've ever heard. I think the reason Chick Factor is getting low scores in
>the voting booth is not because it's crap, but because it completely throws
>the momentum of the second half of the record. It's a lovely song, and is
>the closest thing to the Left Banke imaginable. My favourites are Ease your
>feet into the sea, and Rollercoaster ride which could just go on for
ever...


That's an interesting comparison with Chickfactor, I always thought the
piano stuff in it sounded like the Betty Blue soundtrack, which it does
really, but yeah, "Pretty Ballerina" by the Left Banke fits the bill quite
well too.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From rob.dawson at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 28 13:17:27 1998
From: rob.dawson at xxx.uk (rob.dawson)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 98 13:17:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Thanks for the mail.
Message-ID: <980728131726.22909@mserv.res.bbsrc.ac.uk.0>


oon wrote:

>i was going to find the tel. of Stargreen someone gave me, when i saw your
newer post that you've got ticket, congratulations!


Ge thanx, i was quite relieved I can tell you!

>btw what're you doing in Borneo if i may ask?  i'm from Thailand so i'm a bit
curiose :)


Some environmental studies.  I'm hoping to stay for two years when I finish Uni
so I wanted to get a feel for the place and the kind of work I'd be doing.

>hopefully i can make it to the london gig!

Hope so!
 
I've heard a few people from the list mentioning doing something after, just
thought it'd be cool to get together and make a whole night of it!

Does anyone know what time the gig finishes, if it's been discussed already,
sorry but I haven't had time to read all my mails yet.
 Does anyone have any idea of where we could all go?


Sitting here smiling,  Rob  D
                       xxxxxx 

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From iles at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 28 14:38:49 1998
From: iles at xxx.uk (Mark Iles)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:38:49 +0000
Subject: Sinister: French Films
In-Reply-To: <199807201131.MAA14352@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <l03102820b1e3841f82c9@[143.65.32.18]>



	I must admit that I've only seen a few films in that top ten list,
but I wasn't very impressed with Jean De Florette when I watched it. Like
Betty Blue, I thought it looked very pretty, but was a bit lacking in
substance. Two of my all time faves are Delicatessen, which is hilarious,
and Chacun Cherche Son Chat (When The Cats Away) which has an absolutely
sublime ending with the heroine running along the street and Portishead
playing. One of those films which left a big smile on my face as I left the
cinema...


					Mark



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From janine at xxx.com  Tue Jul 28 15:29:37 1998
From: janine at xxx.com (Janine Papp)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:29:37 -0500
Subject: Sinister: boo hoo hoo
Message-ID: <v03110702b1e3900c3f97@[192.168.9.14]>


I, too, tried to go to the nyc sinister picnic around, say, 4:00, and
couldn't find anyone!  I looked all over the meadow, and saw no sinister
sign, no milla, heard no strains of Belle and Sebastian wafting through the
air.  But I had a lovely boy with me from Boston so we had a picnic by
ourselves and ate the gazpacho we made and the watermelon we brought.  Then
we had raspberry ices and turned our mouths blue and took pictures.  So,
you people missed out!!  On homemade gazpacho! ("It's tomato soup served
ice cold.")  OK, also, I think at least one person on the list has a crush
on me because I received a secret admirer e-mail right after I informed the
list about that website.  So confess!!  Please?!

Janine


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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Jul 28 14:51:42 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:51:42 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Join Together
Message-ID: <01bdba2e$d9e271c0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>



David Moore wrote:

Re the recent thread about the Who, I went to that gig at Charlton and the
Who were brilliant, as were Little Feat (bet that's the first time they've
got a mention on this list!). Not a bad day out for £4. Don't remember
seeing any half naked girls, though.

to which I reply:

She was behind you! Or perhaps it was one of those studio overdubs they were
famous for. I'm particularly smitten with the performance of Bell Boy, with
Keith Moon on top vocal form. So now I'm jealous. What about Humble Pie?
I've often been tempted. The other good thing about that concert is the
fashion factor, some really great seventies styles on display. It reminds me
a lot of that amusing interview with a Millwall fan, the one who doesn't
care if he goes to jail, he'll just come out again, beat some more people up
at Millwall and go to jail again. Does anyone know what I'm on about?
Probably not. So what were you wearing, David? Did you favour the Charlie
George look?

If anyone is thinking of offering to put Adrian Evans up in London, bear in
mind you'll be needing some oats and a stable for his shetland pony. Perhaps
Harold Steptoe is on the list.

David, I was thinking of records rather than informal acoustic jams or
whatever. More specifically, what records does Stuart M appear on, and what
does he do? I just left t'others in to make it look democratic. This may
lead to a spate of on-topic messages, but hopefully people will remember to
include something off-topic as well. Oh well, it was just a fort, as Captain
Snort said to Doctor Mopp.

I think Paul's raffle idea is a cracker. I can't organise it because 1) I
live in Spain, and 2) I'd spend all the money on Mister Kipling's Bramley
Apple Pies.

Cheers,

Sister Disco



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From honey at xxx.net  Tue Jul 28 15:05:46 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:05:46 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Join Together (fwd)
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David Moore wrote:

Re the recent thread about the Who, I went to that gig at Charlton and the
Who were brilliant, as were Little Feat (bet that's the first time they've
got a mention on this list!). Not a bad day out for �4. Don't remember
seeing any half naked girls, though.

to which I reply:

She was behind you! Or perhaps it was one of those studio overdubs they were
famous for. I'm particularly smitten with the performance of Bell Boy, with
Keith Moon on top vocal form. So now I'm jealous. What about Humble Pie?
I've often been tempted. The other good thing about that concert is the
fashion factor, some really great seventies styles on display. It reminds me
a lot of that amusing interview with a Millwall fan, the one who doesn't
care if he goes to jail, he'll just come out again, beat some more people up
at Millwall and go to jail again. Does anyone know what I'm on about?
Probably not. So what were you wearing, David? Did you favour the Charlie
George look?

If anyone is thinking of offering to put Adrian Evans up in London, bear in
mind you'll be needing some oats and a stable for his shetland pony. Perhaps
Harold Steptoe is on the list.

David, I was thinking of records rather than informal acoustic jams or
whatever. More specifically, what records does Stuart M appear on, and what
does he do? I just left t'others in to make it look democratic. This may
lead to a spate of on-topic messages, but hopefully people will remember to
include something off-topic as well. Oh well, it was just a fort, as Captain
Snort said to Doctor Mopp.

I think Paul's raffle idea is a cracker. I can't organise it because 1) I
live in Spain, and 2) I'd spend all the money on Mister Kipling's Bramley
Apple Pies.

Cheers,

Sister Disco



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From itstrue at xxx.net  Tue Jul 28 14:44:36 1998
From: itstrue at xxx.net (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:44:36 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Spot the celebrity
Message-ID: <35BDD5CB.33E5@earthlink.net>


If you haven't seen the NME story on the Tigermilk auction already, you
can go to:

http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/19980624141739news.html

And if this seems weird that I'm pointing it out when everyone already
knows it, it's because I want someone to tell me who that is in that
picture.  Is that Isobel?  And it only looks like her from other
pictures because she has short blonde hair.  But whoever it is...oh,
MY!  I feel a little dizzy...and, less interestingly, that guy doesn't
look like a Belle OR a Sebastian, so who the hell is he?

If anyone has a clue...

~Reid

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From Calumn.Shearer at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 28 15:24:51 1998
From: Calumn.Shearer at xxx.uk (Shearer, Calumn)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:24:51 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Spot the celebrity
Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=East_Ayrshire_Co%l=ITKIL03-980728142451Z-311@ITKIL03.east-ayrshire.gov.uk>



>
> not sure if that's Isobel, but  the guy looks like Jools Holland, possibly?
>
>calumn
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From iles at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 28 16:28:10 1998
From: iles at xxx.uk (Mark Iles)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:28:10 +0000
Subject: Sinister: More French films...
In-Reply-To: <199807211256.NAA02183@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <l03102822b1e39cb34a80@[143.65.32.18]>



Back on the subject of French films, La Grande Illusion has just been
rereleased in the UK in a nice new shiny print. Apparently the Nazis didn't
like it and censored it heavily and the original print has only recently
resurfaced in a vault in Russia. Or something like that. I've never seen
it, so I can't offer an opinion on how good it is. I'd like to applaude the
person who mentioned La Haine - I thought it was great. It started a bit
slow, but by the end, I was rivetted. No wonder the French Prime Minister
insisted that all his cabinet watch it... as for slightly older French
films, The Wages Of Fear (La Salaire De La Peur) is excellent - not what
you'd expect from a French film, more of an edge of the seat thriller, but
superbly made and featuring the gorgeous Vera Clouzot. Les Diaboliques, by
the same director (Henri Georges Clouzot?), is a great Hitchcockian
thriller, with a stupendous twist at the end (I'm not telling because it'll
spoil the surprise) and again features the director's gorgeous wife Vera.
And the B&S connection... um.... Le Pastie De La Bourgeousie  - that's
French :)


				Mark



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From honey at xxx.net  Tue Jul 28 15:52:09 1998
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:52:09 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Re: Spot the celebrity
Message-ID: <Pine.GS4.4.02.9807281543020.29903-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


> not sure if that's Isobel, but the guy looks like Jools Holland,
> possibly?

It's Peters and Lee surely?  Oh no hang on it's a funny looking
Stevie and Isobel.  To the top left you can see Sarah, and I bet that
black shirt between them is Mick.  If you're off and at home and
bored, you have time to notice things like the fact that the chairs
are the same as those on the spiffing new publicity shot on the
Jeepster site where the whole band are in a quantum mechanics
lecture.  If you take a look you'll see that Chris is cheating
because he doesn't know the answer to question 7a, and Stuart David
is making poo-poo noises on the back row with his lips.  Stuart M is
reading Ezekiel.

honey

P.S. Apologies to Peter Miller who's email I forwarded to the list
*again* in a chaotic attempt at list admin.  I thought it might come
out different second time.

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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Tue Jul 28 16:49:26 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:49:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: The REAL story of Sebastian and Belle the singer
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Reid asked:


>Is that Isobel? And it only looks like her from other
>pictures because she has short blonde hair. But whoever it is...oh,
>MY! I feel a little dizzy...

I'm really sorry to break this to everyone but Isobel doesn't really
exist as such.  Actually, none of the band do.  Stuart Murdoch just
made them up when no one took his one man band seriously. The final
straw came when he was laughed out of Stephen Pastel's living room
after sneaking into one of his Glasgow celeb impromptu jams.  The worm
turned.  He began to spread the rumour that he'd found some great
friends who could play a variety of instruments.  It all began to get
out of control when his rigging of the Stow College student vote
resulted in attention that would necessitate live appearances.  After
rejecting the life-size models of the band in clay option as too much
like hard work, he panicked and went out and kidnapped the first six
street urchins he came across.

As local church warden, the evil Murdoch found a suitably soundproof
hiding place down in the crypt, where he keeps the children chained up
subject to unspeakable acts involving Murdoch's collection of arab
straps and assorted sado-masochistic paraphernalia.  They don't scream
anymore.  His campaign of terror has been so fiendish that the poor
little innocents have been led to believe that any attempt at escape
will only result in them falling into the hands of the spectre of
wicked uncle and aunt 'David & Katrina'.

As for pretty 'Isobel', yes that is her in the NME photo.  BUT ONLY
AFTER EXTENSIVE FACIAL RECONSTRUCTION. No wonder you didn't recognise
her.  That press shot of her in the surgical mask - that's not some
arty prank, you know.  The wee thing just wasn't pretty enough for the
Mad Murdoch's sick fantasy of what a band should look like.  Word has
it 'Chris' is next for the scalpel.  Apparently it wasn't enough that
his jacket and hair resembled Johnny Marr's - he's got to look
IDENTICAL IN EVERY DETAIL.

Come on, you must have had your suspicions.  The lack of press
interviews, the obscure publicity shots, the sinister album titles. 
Surely none of you fell for that totally implausible 'we all met in an
all night cafe, where we found we shared a love of Ladybird books'
story?

Nick
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Jul 28 18:29:17 1998
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:29:17 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Mysterious Photo
Message-ID: <01bdba4d$3fad1dc0$a54905c3@itjfvkli>



>P.S. Apologies to Peter Miller who's email I forwarded to the list
>*again* in a chaotic attempt at list admin.  I thought it might come
>out different second time.


No no, don't apologise, I really rather liked it. Why is it that
insignificant shite seems even more insignificant when repeated? I said, why
is it....etc.

Is that really Stevie? Where's his Ian Dury quiff gone? That's a little
taster of the Isobel "Schülmädchen" look that she treated us all to in
Barcelona. I may not have heard Chick Factor but I did receive the latest
mail out this afternoon, and very informative it is too. That photo is
seriously freaky. Why is Stuart M pretending to be left-handed? Does he want
us all to think that he is in league with the DEVIL???? Did anyone else
click on the Loaded advert at the NME site? Bad idea, most distracting.

Messers Hopkins, Ragtag and Watson should all be receiving bowel-threatening
tapes soon. I finally got them posted! Yay!

Tomorrow I'm off. I'm going to the delightful mining village of Barruelo de
Santallun in northernmost Palencia, where I will no doubt engage the local
shepherd in lunatic conversation, as per usual. He says all women are
whores. To their faces. I think I'm his only friend.

I taped the last two (70s) CDs of The WHO box set for the journey. Back
soon, so don't get excited. I'm telling 500 strangers this because I haven't
answered a couple of longish messages that deserve better. I've lost my
address book, so I can't send you all a postcard.

Baba O'Riley

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From tasha at xxx.com  Tue Jul 28 18:43:50 1998
From: tasha at xxx.com (Girl Racer)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:43:50 -0700
Subject: Sinister: magnetic fields
Message-ID: <9807281043.ZM18690@blort>


> i just got back from the best damn show in years in the best damn club
> i've ever been to. i'm speaking of magnetic fields and damon and naomi

hey brad, thanks for posting the review of the magnetic fields show... i can't
wait!  i just got my tickets for the show here in san francisco.  also i've
been addicted to "get lost" recently.  it's so genius.

tasha

-- 
Tasha Wedeen
tasha at pixar.com
http://www.geocities.com/~girlracer
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From kenny at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 19:20:34 1998
From: kenny at xxx.uk (kenny)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:20:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Unreleased tracks
Message-ID: <199807281825.TAA26343@mailhost.dircon.co.uk>


 Hi there,

This is my first message so I hope it works, here goes...................

I've seen a couple of people on the list begging for taped copies of
tigermilk, and so I wondered if anyone could help me in my search.

Will browsing through the B&S voting booth I found some tracks that I
hadn't heard, which I presume that the band have played at gigs. Anyway I
wondered if anyone had a tape of any of their concerts that they could do
me a copy of; I've been looking out for bootleg copies but unsurprisingly
there aren't too many copies around down here in Brighton! 

( Oh and has anyone got the sessions for Radio 1 on tape?)

Cheers then

Jake
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From james at xxx.com  Tue Jul 28 20:21:48 1998
From: james at xxx.com (J Errington)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:21:48 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Worcester women & Worcester men
Message-ID: <E0z1F3L-0000Np-00@serv1.is2.u-net.net>


Hello all, I'm sitting here bored stiff for a summer in Worcester, (UK) and I was
wondering if there are any other listies in the area. Well, are there?
......and ta for all the birthday messages. Now I'm 19 I cant help but wonder
what happened to 16-18. What did I do? Where did my time go? Damn!

	Yours cursingly,
			WeeJay

WeeJay - A bootlicking, pissdrinking, fingerfrigging,
tit-tweaking, lovebiting, arselicking, shit-stabbing,
muthafucking, spunk-loving, ballbusting, cocksucking,
fistfucking, lipsmacking, thirstquenching, cool-living,
ever-giving useless man.
james at twopounds.u-net.com

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Tue Jul 28 20:34:11 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:34:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: GRRRRR
In-Reply-To: <000801bdba1d$63268a50$250129c2@rainbow.qss.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CQY1rAAzeiv1Ew16@elsato97.demon.co.uk>


AND ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US WHO HAVEN'T HEARD IT - 

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!

Or do me a copy :)
>
>>Managed to get hold of a copy of the boy with the arab strap, and have been
>>listening to it non-stop since Saturday. It is the most nostalgic record
>>I've ever heard. I think the reason Chick Factor is getting low scores in
>>the voting booth is not because it's crap, but because it completely throws
>>the momentum of the second half of the record. It's a lovely song, and is
>>the closest thing to the Left Banke imaginable. My favourites are Ease your
>>feet into the sea, and Rollercoaster ride which could just go on for
>ever...
>
>
>That's an interesting comparison with Chickfactor, I always thought the
>piano stuff in it sounded like the Betty Blue soundtrack, which it does
>really, but yeah, "Pretty Ballerina" by the Left Banke fits the bill quite
>well too.
>
>Cheers,
>    Keith.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 
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From HoleRole at xxx.com  Wed Jul 29 00:27:40 1998
From: HoleRole at xxx.com (HoleRole at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:27:40 EDT
Subject: Sinister: hello and souvlaki
Message-ID: <fcbd1fe9.35be5e6d@aol.com>


po said,
>Ok now to the listees on the stateside, how come we have heard the cries
>of the west coast and the pleas of RI and Baltimore for B&S gigs, but how
>come
>we have not heard from folks from NY?  Just to rejoice the idea of a east
>coast tour. Are we being complacent?

	Personally, as a B&S fan from NY (Brooklyn in particular), I think it's being
rather cocky. I think that in the back of every NY fan's head there is a
thought which goes something like "I live in a huge exciting city. Let the
people from RI beg. There is no doubt that Belle and Sebastion will come and
play for me." 
	Come on, you know you're thinking it. WeIl I dont think that we should have
this kind of attitude. 
	Therefore I hereby humbly request that B&S come and play NYC.

-Aaron

P.S. See folks. If I can do it you can do it too.
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From mick at xxx.com  Wed Jul 29 01:19:50 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:19:50 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Left-handedness
References: <01bdba4d$3fad1dc0$a54905c3@itjfvkli>
Message-ID: <35BE6AA6.822200D@indiepop.com>


PJMiller wrote:
> Why is Stuart M pretending to be left-handed? Does he want us all to
> think that he is in league with the DEVIL???? 

	Hm...just guessing here. I don't remember much from my two years of
Latin. Don't blame me, it was...uh I'd say over 6 years ago. Anyway, the
latin word for left is Sinister, Sinistris. Raises some interesting
questions, doesn't it? Or maybe some uninteresting ones, really. Either
way, the word sinister obtained its meaning from the latin, because (as
Mr. Miller alluded to) left-handed people were considered to be evil,
fiendish, etc.

	You learn something new every day.
 
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  |       | 
  |       |     "Everyone has their own cup of tea.  
  |       |          Some just happen to like a lot of sugar in it!" 
  |       |               - Me!
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From tdzF94 at xxx.edu  Wed Jul 29 02:59:56 1998
From: tdzF94 at xxx.edu (The Trainspotter)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:59:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: boo hoo hoo/ny picnic
In-Reply-To: <v03110702b1e3900c3f97@[192.168.9.14]>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980728215343.11244B-100000@hamp.hampshire.edu>



ok, I couldn't go.  well that's not exactly true.  I was too lazy to go by
myself and all my friends had other plans..

anyway, I say we try this thing again.  but we should have a pot luck
picnic perhaps?  like color war maybe?  everyone will have one food item
and one game to bring.  i'm in Nj but i'm in NY quite frequently.  but are
there any NJ kids on the list as well?  anyway, let's pick another day.  
yes no?  so if everyone wants to do this and no one else wants to arange -
e-mail me if you rplanning on going and we'll figure out how many people,
what date, and where.

-ms. teri
http://hampshire.edu/~tdzF94/ -  Inspired by the writings of the 
eighteeth century Venetian gambler, eroticist and spy.

"The day didn't go too well. Too many chocolates and cigarettes, I kept
thinking of you and almost walking into lampposts." Pulp

"I may sit in a bar where the cocktails are
but I really don't feel like talking
I ride around and let the darkness fall
'cause I've got a sense of perfection
and nothing else makes sense at all."

On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Janine Papp wrote:

> 
> I, too, tried to go to the nyc sinister picnic around, say, 4:00, and
> couldn't find anyone!  I looked all over the meadow, and saw no sinister
> sign, no milla, heard no strains of Belle and Sebastian wafting through the
> air.  But I had a lovely boy with me from Boston so we had a picnic by
> ourselves and ate the gazpacho we made and the watermelon we brought.  Then
> we had raspberry ices and turned our mouths blue and took pictures.  So,
> you people missed out!!  On homemade gazpacho! ("It's tomato soup served
> ice cold.")  OK, also, I think at least one person on the list has a crush
> on me because I received a secret admirer e-mail right after I informed the
> list about that website.  So confess!!  Please?!
> 
> Janine
> 
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From sgold06 at xxx.edu  Wed Jul 29 03:45:55 1998
From: sgold06 at xxx.edu (Steven Jay Goldman)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:45:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: volume is pleasant
In-Reply-To: <35BC07D2.3F93@earthlink.net>
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> i was reading this article in some magazine, i think maybe a.p., but
> that's not important.
> it was about all the new things going on in ol' athens, ga. you
> know....neutral milk hotel, elf power, olivia tremor control...all those
> bands. but then it went into the history of athens.....something i lived
> through....and it brought back many good memories. of the music that is.
> i hate the town. bunch of fucking fratboys and people who think they're
> cooler than you.....and there's an athens way of talking. it's hard to
> describe it in words, but everything sounds like a question.

ROCK ON.  I've been a fan of the Athens scene from afar for quite a while,
after reading "Party Out of Bounds," a sorta history of the scene...

> wasn't pylon one of the best fucking bands ever?

AMEN.  "Gyrate" rocks my world!
> 
> i dug out all my stuff. the pylon albums, the love tractor albums, the
> athens ga inside out comp., squares blot out the sun...all of it. i even
> started listening to my old rem stuff again which i hadn't listened to
> since i realized what a fucking waste "monster" was.

I also have all of that stuff (on vinyl, no less!), and since I just got
back from a five-day sojourn to my parents' and returned with my records
and turntable, I'm sure I'll be listening to them more now...

> 
> anyone else had these songs and bands and albums as their middle and
> high school soundtracks? or is it a georgia thing?

Well, it was my high school soundtrack, but I lived in Ft. Lauderdale.
Does that count? ;P

--Steven

PS -- Hello to all after a bit of an absence!!

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From kwl96 at xxx.edu  Wed Jul 29 05:04:36 1998
From: kwl96 at xxx.edu (azriel)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:04:36 -0400
Subject: Sinister: irc
Message-ID: <l03130303b1e44fa1bf6b@[206.173.190.168]>


i really hope i'm not the millionth person to ask this, but is there a b&s
irc channel?

-kerry (please pardon the super-short post)

"my best friend's a junkie, sad but true. my best friend's a junkie, what
does your best friend do? shoot up or shut up shoot up or shut up SHOOT UP
OR SHUT UP!"
	-the dead milkmen


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From johnj at xxx.com  Wed Jul 29 07:18:25 1998
From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:18:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: the lady is right
References: <CQY1rAAzeiv1Ew16@elsato97.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <35BEBEB1.3B90@seahouses.u-net.com>


Sarah wrote:
> 
> AND ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US WHO HAVEN'T HEARD IT -
> 
> SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!

She's right you know. 
Do stop showing off everyone, either that or mail everyone on the
list a tape of the album so we can all hear it.

Thanks

JJ
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From shop at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 11:31:29 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:31:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: irc
References: <l03130303b1e44fa1bf6b@[206.173.190.168]>
Message-ID: <35BEFA01.DB9C5038@jeepster.co.uk>


there is a belle and sebastian irc channel that was set up earlier this
year to host the belle and sebastian chat session. katrina, myself and
paul are the ones that do all the channel admin (like that's a lot of
work, ha!) with help from a few other moderators who are simp[ly in
there a lot.

the room retains a lot of the good vibes that this here list has and is
well worth a visit (watch your phone bills!).

you can find more info at;
http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/chat/index.htm

or if you know what you're doing;
server: chat.virgin.net
port: 6667
channel: sinister

so you'd type
/join #sinister

note that the sinister channel is a secret one and will NOT show up on a
channels list, just use the above command :)

--

azriel wrote:
> 
> i really hope i'm not the millionth person to ask this, but is there a b&s
> irc channel?
> 
> -kerry (please pardon the super-short post)
> 
> "my best friend's a junkie, sad but true. my best friend's a junkie, what
> does your best friend do? shoot up or shut up shoot up or shut up SHOOT UP
> OR SHUT UP!"
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From Simon.Taylor at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 11:26:07 1998
From: Simon.Taylor at xxx.uk (Simon Taylor)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:26:07 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Calling unsigned bands
Message-ID: <0002D2EA.CE21438@kpmg.co.uk>


Bit of a cheek considering this is my first message to the list but here goes 
anyway...

A couple of friends of mine are in the process of seriously looking into setting
up their very own record label..

The idea behind it is as follows.  They would release a very limited (500) hand 
numbered CD single from new shiny bands 

This would NOT be a profit related venture, just a chance for new bands to 
actually get their stuff pressed up, and sold to the public.  They would push 
the bands, sending copies to papers, radio stations and the like... (yes it is 
true that the bands could do this themselves, but not many do!)

Basically we want to know if people would be interested in this idea.

If anyone has any comments, suggestions, offers of help, or even demos could 
they please contact either Siobhan (Siobhan at GREENERGY.co.uk),  Gareth 
(armadillo at ccm.co.uk) or myself.

(Who knows perhaps one of their releases could end up to be as wonderful a thing
as the georgeous Tigermilk - and we all know where that has lead!!!).

SIMON



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From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 13:25:58 1998
From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:25:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The dickies
Message-ID: <199807291222.NAA18536@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>


What a delight to turn on the television last night and see dicky James and
his dicky pals from salako wowing the watching millions on channel 5's the
Jack Docherty show. It was intriguing to see that James favours a Mark King
style guitar strap, placing his axe somewhere just below his left armpit.
And they get a halfway decent review in today's NME, also, making a very
funny comedy reference to fulham's troubled midfielder. 

Ummm, can I abuse the list by telling people in London that the all new
Blue Soda Social will be on again this Friday with a rare appearance from
Norway's award-winning Poor Rich Ones, and Sundays-type acoustic stylings
from Calmer. Still only £2! See David Kitchen's site for further details.

Trousers


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From rod at xxx.com  Wed Jul 29 13:59:30 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:59:30 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: :retsiniS : tcejbuS
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.00.9807291347350.674-100000@localhost.localdomain>


I'm bored.

Here's a list of "banned" Dr Seuss books found on USENET:

       1.   The Cat in the Blender
       2.   Herbert the Pervert Likes Sherbert
       3.   Fox in Detox
       4.   Who Shat in the Hat?
       5.   Horton Hires a Ho
       6.   The Flesh-Eating Lorax
       7.   How the Grinch Stole Columbus Day
       8.   Your Colon Can Moo---Can You?
       9.   Zippy the Rabid Gerbil
       10.  One Bitch, Two Bitch, Dead Bitch, Blue Bitch
       11.  Marvin K. Mooney, Get the Fuck Out!
       12.  Are You My Proctologist?
       13.  Yentl the Lentil
       14.  My Pocket Rocket Needs A Socket
       15.  Aunts in My Pants
       16.  Oh, the Places You'll Scratch and Sniff!
       17.  Horton Fakes an Orgasm
       18.  The Grinch's Ten Inches

I also have two banned poems by Rabbie Burns.  "To A Penis" and "Tam's
Muckle Turd".  Both very funny, but I think I'd get shouted at if I posted
them.  Mail me if you want a copy.

Bought a copy of "It's Great When You're Straight Yeah" today on CD for
�5.  Am currently discovering what the B-Side to the LP sounded like,
cause I could never be arsed turning the disc over.

Black Box Recorder album - Very Good.

Anyone want to buy a Nintendo 64?

I tried watching Sleepers last night, but fell asleep.  How ironic.  Good
luck it wasn't a movie called "Psychopathic Killers", or who knows what
might have happened?

"The Littlest Hobo".  How crap was that?  "Until tomorrow, I'll just keep
moving on"?  Good.  Because you're a smelly, potentially-rabid alsation.

I've just found the key for my wind-up chattering teeth.  This is a good
thing.

DEBBIE + SARAH!  DON'T READ THIS PARAGRAPH!  PLEASE!  <whispers> is anyone
else completely underwhelmed by that new M*n*c Str**t Pr**ch*rs single?
I'm beginning to wonder what I'm missing out on.

New Helen Love single due on 17th August.  Hooray.

I watched the episode of The Muppet Show with Debbie Harry in it last
night.  I was shocked to notice that the punk muppets she performs "Call
Me" with have cigarettes in their mouth.  What sort of example is this to
set to the youth of today?  Or rather the youth of 1981.  The Blondie
reunion has been cancelled.  Boo.

Laters,

Rod.

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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Wed Jul 29 14:14:55 1998
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:14:55 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: The dickies
In-Reply-To: <199807291222.NAA18536@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <6655141429071998/A20763/ADVAX1/11C7EB8E3300*@MHS>


 I saw the piece about B&S in the NME and finally found ou t who this Looper
that everyone keeps going on about is. Has anybody heard the song? Is it any
good? Is it widely available? Have these questions been asked a million times
already?

Cheers
Rich

"Fuck off John, Hitler was gay, I'm an alien, Bleeeerrrrgghhh" - Ian Brown

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From matt.hutchings at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 14:24:20 1998
From: matt.hutchings at xxx.uk (Matt Hutchings)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:24:20 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk
Message-ID: <35BF2283.4F42@soton.ac.uk>


Can anyone (preferably someone living in the UK) on the list let me have
a copy of Tigermilk on tape ? Does anybody on the list HAVE a copy of
Tigermilk even ? I've only just signed up and want to get a copy for my
girlfriend who's a huge fan (she doesn't have email or internet access
herself now she's left Uni). If anyone can help please mail me:-

	Matt.Hutchings at soton.ac.uk

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From Michael.Barrett at xxx.com  Wed Jul 29 14:46:18 1998
From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.com (Michael)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:46:18 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk
Message-ID: <01bdbaf7$434e8630$442fc22b@bond>


Same question, except this time could anyone supply a copy on minidisc?

my address is Michael.Barrett at adv.sonybpe.com
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Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk


>
>Can anyone (preferably someone living in the UK) on the list let me have
>a copy of Tigermilk on tape ? Does anybody on the list HAVE a copy of
>Tigermilk even ? I've only just signed up and want to get a copy for my
>girlfriend who's a huge fan (she doesn't have email or internet access
>herself now she's left Uni). If anyone can help please mail me:-
>
> Matt.Hutchings at soton.ac.uk
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From John.Jackson at xxx.com  Wed Jul 29 15:10:45 1998
From: John.Jackson at xxx.com (Jackson,John)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:10:45 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I never knew love could make me feel this sore
Message-ID: <092EBF3581323A7C%092EBF3581323A7C@inet.ctxi.com>


Afternoon, earthbound boys and girls!

My favourite track from the new Belle and Sebastian album is
'Real Gone Kid', it's the one about the old street cleaner who sings the blues
whilst sailing round your town after he saw Mariah Carey on TV in his boat
called Dignity which he saved up his pocket money to buy. I just wish they
hadn't got Monica Queen in again to sing on it - isn't she only in the band cos
she's the singer's girlfriend?

I don't know if this is the same on all pressings of the CD - but wait 
 after the last
track for about 15 minutes and there's this Armand Van Helden mix of 
 'Expectations'
that kicks in - it's bangin' man! I'm really glad he kept most of the 
 original song in,
unlike other mixes which just have an occasional vocal sample, like the 
 Chemical
Bros version of 'Dog on Wheels' on the last EP which just had Stuart 
 going 'When
I was a boy' now and again over those kickin' beats for which they are 
 moderately
well known.

Well cheerio.
I wonder what is on the films tonight
JJ
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 14:09:37 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:09:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sorry for my bad behaviour mummy 
Message-ID: <jjANnOAR8xv1EwCV@elsato97.demon.co.uk>


Hello list!

Strange thing happened, that really lovely Sarah you all know and lurrve
as resident list silly beggar was taken over by a malicious squid from
Goosnargh, which made the body of "sarah", type an nasty message, which
even contained a "swear word", which my mummy says is a "bad thing".

I'd like to say, having returned to my normal self, I am sorry for any
discontent this squid caused - hopefully it is now banished from my
body, I think it only occours in stressful occasions...
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah 

we got lofi we got tie dye we got grey and brown and black, we've got stickers
on guitars we got a tape for steve latwat, we got celibate lead singers we got
sebadohs and docs, but what aint we got? we aint got mates...
yippeee!
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From zulu at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 15:48:38 1998
From: zulu at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:48:38 +0100
Subject: Sinister: :retsiniS : tcejbuS
Message-ID: <199807291437.PAA21028@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>


Begbie says:

DEBBIE + SARAH!  DON'T READ THIS PARAGRAPH!  PLEASE!  <whispers> is anyone
else completely underwhelmed by that new M*n*c Str**t Pr**ch*rs single?
I'm beginning to wonder what I'm missing out on.


I'd have to agree with you there.
I was at a party monday night where I was forced to listen to all of
Everything must Go, and after boasting about having an aquaintance called
kevin carter (we cut up a dead guy together, by the way) I thought, this is
shite.

Don't really travel by bus much, I prefert to walk. I like trains though,
maybe some riding trains lyrics on TBWTAS, there's definately a certain
amount of anorak wearing in B&S.

colin.
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From debbie.prior at xxx.com  Wed Jul 29 15:40:08 1998
From: debbie.prior at xxx.com (debbie)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:40:08 +0100
Subject: Sinister: i would never, ever, do anything as vulgar as having fun
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Hello fonzies, how are we all today then?

Richard Connell wrote:
>  I saw the piece about B&S in the NME and finally found ou t who this
Looper
> that everyone keeps going on about is. Has anybody heard the song? Is it
any
> good? Is it widely available? Have these questions been asked a million
times
> already?

Well, i *still* haven't heard it yet as Avalanche keep telling me that the
date they will have the record in has been put back. I have spent nearly
£15 on bus fairs trying to get that bloody record and now i can't afford to
buy tickets for 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas' at the film festival. Or
'The Book of Life'. Grrrr. Speaking of which, does anyone know if PJ
Harvey's gig at the Jaffa Cake is sold out yet?

And i no longer care about everyone continually going on about album
tracks/tickets for B&S gigs nowhere near me, because I'VE GOT A TICKET FOR
BERNARD BUTLER AT GLASGOW QMU!!!!!!!!!!! Ahahahahahahahahaha. Oh happy day.
<sigh>

Debbie xx


"The writers and designers of Spitting Image should be unmercifully sued
for making the Royal Family seem generally more attractive and intelligent
than they actually are"   morrissey.

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From C.B.Stride at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 16:01:29 1998
From: C.B.Stride at xxx.uk (Dr C.B.Stride)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:01:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sorry for my bad behaviour mummy 
Message-ID: <E8F163944FF@woodhead.shef.ac.uk>



> we got lofi we got tie dye we got grey and brown and black, we've got stickers
> on guitars we got a tape for steve latwat, we got celibate lead singers we got
> sebadohs and docs, but what aint we got? we aint got mates...
> yippeee!

Good to see another listee appreciating the fine new Half Man Half 
Biscuit album......
Chris
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From Mailer-Daemon at xxx.com  Wed Jul 29 16:15:33 1998
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:15:33 -0400
Subject: Sinister: tried to reply to John Jackson, but...
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Greetings from Windsor/Detroit!

How did you get your hands on a copy?!?  And how can I get my hands on one?
 There's a small group of major B+S fans in this neck of the woods
(probably because it's so damn difficult to get imports from the UK for
certain bands) and I would so love, forever and then some, a copy
(cassette, handwritten, whatever!) of the upcoming album!  Please (written
with a hopeful smile on my face).  I've got a zine & a college radio show,
and I'm trying to set up and interview with B+S for when they tour in
Canada this fall.  It'd be a smash if I could get a copy!

Cheers!

Sandra

>>From <owner-sinister at majordomo.net> Wed Jul 29 10:18:49 1998
>Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:10:45 +0100
>From: "Jackson,John" <John.Jackson at xxx.com>
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>
>Afternoon, earthbound boys and girls!
>
>My favourite track from the new Belle and Sebastian album is
>'Real Gone Kid', it's the one about the old street cleaner who sings the
blues
>whilst sailing round your town after he saw Mariah Carey on TV in his boat
>called Dignity which he saved up his pocket money to buy. I just wish they
>hadn't got Monica Queen in again to sing on it - isn't she only in the
band cos
>she's the singer's girlfriend?
>
>I don't know if this is the same on all pressings of the CD - but wait 
> after the last
>track for about 15 minutes and there's this Armand Van Helden mix of 
> 'Expectations'
>that kicks in - it's bangin' man! I'm really glad he kept most of the 
> original song in,
>unlike other mixes which just have an occasional vocal sample, like the 
> Chemical
>Bros version of 'Dog on Wheels' on the last EP which just had Stuart 
> going 'When
>I was a boy' now and again over those kickin' beats for which they are 
> moderately
>well known.
>
>Well cheerio.
>I wonder what is on the films tonight
>JJ
>xx
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From rob.dawson at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 16:49:09 1998
From: rob.dawson at xxx.uk (rob.dawson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 16:49:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Black Box Recorder, Manics and stuff
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Hiya,

Someone mentioned Black Box recorder, can't remember who but anyways, are they
any good.  What sort of stuff do they play.  My mate says there excellent but
unfortunately he's usually wrong about these things.  

The other thing was this looper track, I know it's been on the list about 65
times but I wasn't here to get one.  Is it still available?

Oh yeah and the other, other thing was will they be selling T-shirts at the gig
in London (does anyone know), I'm a B&S gig virgin so haven't had the chance to
get one before!

Bye bye for now brown cow,

Rob D
xxxxxx


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From d.barker at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 17:16:10 1998
From: d.barker at xxx.uk (Cassell Professional Publishing)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1998 17:16:10 +0100
Subject: Sinister: double fantasy
Message-ID: <0003022dd884$99a140c0$7b65e4d4@server>


Contrived to have not one but two B and S dreams last night. I put this down
to eating a bowl of nutritious Doll noodles just minutes before bedtime.

The first one consisted of the band playing outdoors in what I can only
describe as a sunken tennis court. I remember nothing else except that there
were only forty or fifty people there, it was sunny, and idyllic.

The second dream was very frustrating. I was in a cinema, where they were
showing a double bill of B and S films - films by, about, and featuring the
band. As you can imagine, this was very exciting. The first film I saw in
its entirety, but the moment it ended, it just disappeared completely from
my mind. Then my acquaintance Andy arrived in the interval, and spent the
whole of the second film making crude comments and being so offensive to
everyone in the cinema that I was forced to take him outside and challenge
him to a fight. Luckily my friend Jon turned up to save me (Andy is much
bigger than I am), and drove me to his parents' house, where we watched
videos of the members of Pavement in porn films.

A bizarre combination of lost films and lost dreams, right up Jonathan Coe's
street.

Back to work

Take care

DAVID

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From rob.dawson at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 17:17:01 1998
From: rob.dawson at xxx.uk (rob.dawson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 17:17:01 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Doh!  Forgot to mention the Manics bit of my last mail!
Message-ID: <980729171653.3817@mserv.res.bbsrc.ac.uk.0>


Was going to say:

The new Manics song isn't as bad as it first sounds (someone said it was a heap
of poo in not so many words) give it a chance though.  I was totaly
dissappointed after the hype it recieved but now I've heard it a few times It's
begining to grow on me (not literally, well at least I hope not).   Has anyone
seen the video?  Weird huh! It reminds me of another video but I can't remember
what.

Anyways,

Bye

Robbie D xxx

PS  Thanx Vicky!
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From shop at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 17:23:42 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:23:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: blue soda social
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following on from trousers mail this morning, the web page with social
details is back up at http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/social.htm

maps and details are there as usual :)

david kitchen

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From Angelina.DeGiovanni at xxx.com  Wed Jul 29 17:31:18 1998
From: Angelina.DeGiovanni at xxx.com (Angelina.DeGiovanni at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:31:18 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Sessions at W. 54th St.
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Sessions at W. 54th St. is back on, filming for their new season.  They
have just announced their filming schedule and new guests.  Is there any
word whether they will ever show the B&S session!!!


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From Calumn.Shearer at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 19:25:49 1998
From: Calumn.Shearer at xxx.uk (Shearer, Calumn)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:25:49 +0100
Subject: Sinister: More information for the stlucy smitten
Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=East_Ayrshire_Co%l=ITKIL03-980729182549Z-1015@ITKIL03.east-ayrshire.gov.uk>


I "happened" upon this while checking out feast days - The ammount of
interest that stlucy is generating, perhaps it should be added to the
FAQ ;-) 
And I'll grant you, it's not _strictly speaking_ relevant...
WayHey! Got My Tickets for the Leeds Gig :-)) - now Glasgow? (I happen
to live just down the road from the "Maryhill Com" so that would suit me
fine!
cal

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St. Lucy: Feast Day, December 13.
St. Lucy lived in Sicily about 300 years after Jesus was born. Her
parents were Christians, even though many people in the world at that
time were still pagans, who worshipped other gods. The ruler of the
country was a pagan and he made it against the law to be Christian. But
Lucy's parents loved Jesus very much, so they were Christians and they
taught Lucy about Christ too. She grew up loving Jesus and wanting to
give her whole life to Him. 
When she was grown up, something wonderful happened. Her mother wanted
Lucy to marry a rich young man, even though he wasn't a Christian. Lucy
didn't want to marry at all, and prayed to God for some way to persuade
her mother that she didn't have to marry the rich young man. 
Lucy's mother became ill, and they both went on a pilgrimage to the tomb
of St. Agatha to pray for healing. When Lucy's mother was miraculously
healed, Lucy told her mother about how she had asked God for help so
that she wouldn't have to marry. Lucy's mother changed her mind, and
told Lucy that she didn't have to marry the rich young man. Lucy was
very happy. 
But the rich young man was not happy. He still wanted to marry Lucy, and
he was very angry when she wouldn't marry him. He wanted to punish Lucy,
so he told the ruler of the country that Lucy was a Christian. This was
true, but it was also against the law. 
Soldiers came to take Lucy away and sell her into slavery for being a
Christian, but God protected her. No matter how many men tried to lift
her, she could not be moved. They were so angry and so afraid of her
because they couldn't lift her, that they tried to set her on fire! But
God protected her from the flames. She told the soldiers that she was
protected by the power of the Lord Jesus Christ, and that she wanted to
serve God. 
Finally they took her to prison, where it was very cold, damp and
uncomfortable. She died in prison, and went to Heaven. Jesus welcomed
her and she is very happy there. St. Lucy can pray for us, and often
people who have sore eyes ask her for help. 

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Wed Jul 29 21:36:24 1998
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:36:24 +0100
Subject: Sinister: adios
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Bye kids.
I'm unsubscribing for 2 weeks due to holiday in Tenerife with mother and
stepfather thing. Bye all you people who won't care I'm going anyway. Oh
the pain. anyway. 
If I'm lucky I might get to have lots of casual sex and join the Dandy
Warhols.
Cynical miserable get? Me? NEVER.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Wed Jul 29 23:47:54 1998
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:47:54 -0400
Subject: Sinister: 70's Fashion
Message-ID: <199807291848_MC2-5495-D598@compuserve.com>


Hi Cack Handed Ones

(And no, that doesn't mean the paper wasn't strong enough)

PJ Miller wrote:
She was behind you! Or perhaps it was one of those studio overdubs they
were
famous for. I'm particularly smitten with the performance of Bell Boy, with
Keith Moon on top vocal form. So now I'm jealous. 

Can't remember a Keith Moon vocal, only electrifying performances of Baba
O'Reilly & Won't Get Fooled again...

What about Humble Pie? I've often been tempted. 

Have to confess to a sneaking liking for their live album, but then I was
probably only about 14 at the time...

The other good thing about that concert is the fashion factor, some really
great seventies styles on display. It reminds me a lot of that amusing
interview with a Millwall fan, the one who doesn't care if he goes to jail,
he'll just come out again, beat some more people up at Millwall and go to
jail again. Does anyone know what I'm on about? Probably not. So what were
you wearing, David? Did you favour the Charlie George look?

31st of May 1976? The Afghan had had to be put down by then as it got too
smelly (especially after rain) but I was probably still tottering about in
the blue stack heeled boots and flares. Oh, and centre parted hair down to
the shoulders. (Extremely hard to believe now!)

Less than 6 weeks to go! I'll be the old geezer down the front at the
Empire wearing the HoneyPaul Bore My Lovechild t-shirt.

BTW I heartily recommend the Cinerama album to all listees (& the CD
single)

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK 





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From rod at xxx.com  Thu Jul 30 00:36:53 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:36:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: i would never, ever, do anything as vulgar as having
 fun
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On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, debbie wrote:

> Well, i *still* haven't heard it yet as Avalanche keep telling me that the
> date they will have the record in has been put back. I have spent nearly
> �15 on bus fairs trying to get that bloody record

There's an company advertising it in NME.  Can't remember who, though.
(being helpful as ever)

> now i can't afford to
> buy tickets for 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas' at the film festival.

Advance word from Cannes was that loads of people fought to get in.  And
then fought to get out again.

> Or
> 'The Book of Life'. Grrrr. Speaking of which, does anyone know if PJ
> Harvey's gig at the Jaffa Cake is sold out yet?

Try the Fringe office.

Rod.

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From Blur245 at xxx.com  Thu Jul 30 06:15:41 1998
From: Blur245 at xxx.com (Blur245 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:15:41 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Magnetic Fields
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Hi All
      I am writing this letter on the aftermath of one weird day down here in
sunny Florida.To start of I recieved free tickets for Ozzfest (yes correct
that neanthertal rock festival) which I hesitatly went to.Seeing so many
metalheads made me remember what is was like to be in Highschool.Motorhead
still plays some heavy music even though Lemmy is now 51.I left after around
7pm and headed downtown Orlando to The Sapphire Supper Club for the Damon &
Naiomi/Magnetic Fields show.What a strange change of pace it was.I am sure you
are all sick of hearing how incredible both bands were.Steve Merrit talked
about his young childhood growing up in Centrel Florida and Damon& Naiomi
talked about buying a house here (weird).Anyway is anyone on the list going to
Bauhaus in Orlando, if so they are selling advance tickets at Sapphire
tomorrow night (7/30).Let me know so we can meet  up.Anyway see you all later.
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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Thu Jul 30 10:05:16 1998
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:05:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Is Chris Rea P!O!P!?
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Currently being recommended by the CDnow AlbumAdvisor "if you like
Belle & Sebastian"

Garth Brooks - Ropin' The Wind
No Doubt - Tragic Kingdom 
Chris Rea - Road To Hell 

Good Grief!

I presume these things are done by tracking patterns in the purchases
of their customers.  In which case - some people out there are
seriously throwing down the gauntlet to any of you with pretensions to
having open-minded and eclectic attitudes to pop's rich tapestry...

Nick xxx
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From thunderw at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 30 11:49:50 1998
From: thunderw at xxx.uk (James)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:49:50 +0100
Subject: Sinister: hello
Message-ID: <E0z1qKm-0001a9-00@sand2.global.net.uk>


Hiya people

I am new. (hope it doesn't show up too much) New to the list that is not to
the band. Just thought I'd say how d'you do and introduce myself. Two
things:

1. Are any of you in Birmingham or thereabouts? Wanna meet up and eat
lollipops?

2. Sorry to be a terrible bore, but if anyone could do me a halfway decent
copy of Tigermilk (i.e. not a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy etc. like
mine is ), I'd be ever so ever so grateful. I'll send you a beautiful
letter and a present in return.

I'll compose something far prettier than this when I have more time on my
hands. You all seem like charming spirits by the way.

With love and sleepiness

Molly
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From uczcvap at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 30 13:00:21 1998
From: uczcvap at xxx.uk (Vicky Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:00:21 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Divine Divine Comedy
Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980730120021.2db7579a@pop-server.bcc.ac.uk>


Wow, I've just been listening to the new Divine Comedy Album, fin de
siecle, and it is absolutely amazing! The first song is an absolute gem,
totally happy tune, with ace lyrics. It's called Generation Sex snd even
tackles tabloid  reader hypocracy at the death of Di (brave souls, I
suppose it had to happen sooner or later but at least the topic was
addressed in song by DC rather than in some schmoozy ballad). It's been
swirling round in my head for the 45 mins on the bus getting into uni, and
now I just feel like going all the way back home again so i can listen to
it some more.

It's out round about the same time as the B&S album, the week before I
think, and if you'll have enough pennies, BUY IT, BUY IT, BUY IT!!!!

If the new B&S album is in the same league as this (and from all reports so
far it is) then I am going to be in music heaven.

It's even taken my mind of my important job interview tomorrow, United
Distillers are flying me to Edinburgh and paying for a hire car to get me
to Fife for an interview for Assistant Archivist. Scary stuff, far too
grown up and responsible! And if I get the job, all that discounted booze,
bottles and bottles of cheap Talisker....

I'll stop dribbling now and go and do some preparation

Vic xxx

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From emason at xxx.com  Thu Jul 30 12:22:31 1998
From: emason at xxx.com (Ed Mason)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:22:31 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Looper Single
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Debbie, and then Rod wrote;

>> Well, i *still* haven't heard it yet as Avalanche keep telling me that th=
e
>> date they will have the record in has been put back. I have spent nearly
>> =A315 on bus fairs trying to get that bloody record

>There's an company advertising it in NME.  Can't remember who, though.
>(being helpful as ever)

Yes, for anybody who wants a copy of the Looper single by mail order, Opal
in Carlisle (UK) are selling it at £4.49 - 01228 593 614.  I ordered a copy
2 weeks ago, haven't got it yet but they assure me they're getting it in
next Monday. (They also have a copy of Tigermilk at £250.....)

Leeds tickets are now in the shops in Leeds, but selling very fast.... 

A fountain of knowledge....
Or something.
Ed
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From shop at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 30 12:32:26 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:32:26 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Looper Single
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Message-ID: <35C059CA.A96D18F4@jeepster.co.uk>


sorry to spoil everyone's detective fun, but we're stocking the looper
7" next week (i.e. as soon as it arrives from the US).

we'll have 100 copies and we'll retail it for UK£ 3.25 exc VAT (UK£ 3.82
inc VAT). this is as cheap as we could go, as like everyone else we're
importing it.

we offer a speedy service and will be despatching orders every friday by
first class post.

it should be on the web site on monday 3rd, and if it isn't then it will
be by thursday 6th (i'm away for a few days so it may have to wait till
the thursday - sorry!).

but simply put, because we'll have so many, you've a good chance of
getting one, plus we're cheaper than everyone else, and it's a speedy
service plus you can always add a b&s badge to your order :)

what more could you want?
	let us know if you think of something!

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From rob.dawson at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 30 14:19:23 1998
From: rob.dawson at xxx.uk (rob.dawson)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 14:19:23 +0100
Subject: Sinister: NME
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Did anyone read the bit in NME about B&S?  It said there doing a track for "The
Acid House"  film and it'll be available on the soundtrack next year!  Cool
huh! I think it was called "Slow Graffiti"
Oh yeah it also mentioned the Looper single so I'm rushing around trying to get
one before the rest of the world by them all!

C'ya


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:32:42 -0600
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From aevans at xxx.uk  Thu Jul 30 15:47:30 1998
From: aevans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:47:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Ned Flanders Leftorium
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All this talk of left-handishness on the dark side of the force had me reminiscing earlier, and I thought I'd share a little story :

My mother who is left handed, is also Grotbags the witch from Rod and Emu's Pink Windmill.  This clearly proves MickMcMickMcMacs theory.

For years my brother and I doubted her witcheyness and decided to put it to the test.

Firstly we tied her up in a couple of those binliners she used to wear, and tried the old "Chuck her in the river - If she floats, 'ers a witch, If she drowns she's okay* routine.  Being only 5 and 7 years old we weren't actually allowed past the end of the driveway on our own and had to make do with leaving mother in the bath.

Dissatisfied with the inconclusive results of our first experiment, we assumed her guilt and decided to burn her at the stake.  We didn't have any stakes though and opted instead to tie her to a childs cricket stump and burn her feet with a packet of swan vestas.  Unfortunately for us the bloke in the newsagents wouldn't sell us any matches and mother was able to walk off with said stump still tied to her hands.

However it was only a short time later that we were provided with all the proof we needed....around six o'clock that evening we caught mother in the kitchen stirring a pot with a big wooden spoon chanting away with Chis DeBurgh on the Hi-fi.

PURE EVIL.

Help me Obi-wan Kenobe....you're my only hope.
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From Ciflux at xxx.com  Thu Jul 30 16:18:08 1998
From: Ciflux at xxx.com (Ciflux at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:18:08 EDT
Subject: Sinister: looking for some dubs...
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I know you've all read this kind of e-mail a million times now, but I am
desperately seeking the following dubs and was wondering if anyone could
help...

*  B&S BBC Sessions (any or all of 'em)

*  Stuart Murdoch demos (again, whatever exists)

*  B&S Sessions at W. 54th St. session (the person who promised to dub this for
me seems to have vanished)

Can anyone help?  I'm especially keen to get the Sessions at W. 54th tape, since
I attended.  I can offer a tape dub of _Tigermilk_ in exchange (if you don't
already have one), and live and/or unreleased sessions by Orange Juice, Delta
5, Dolly Mixture and Jane Fox (Marine Girls bassist).  

Please e-mail me privately.  thanks!!

--mike
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From tasha at xxx.com  Thu Jul 30 18:23:41 1998
From: tasha at xxx.com (Girl Racer)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:23:41 -0700
Subject: Sinister: L.A. clubbies
Message-ID: <9807301023.ZM8540@blort>


hi popkids.

i'm going to be going down to L.A. for a couple of weeks starting august 14th i
think. and i was wondering if anyone knows of any good clubs down there which
play britpop-type-music .  any information would be appreciated!  thanks very
much.

also i'll miss sarah. (tho i don't have a crush on her, unless she turned out
to be a cute boy)
HER POSTS ARE FUNNY!!!!!!

bye.

tasha



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From james at xxx.com  Thu Jul 30 18:56:17 1998
From: james at xxx.com (J Errington)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:56:17 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Collaborating on a new sock for Dexter the Glaso name
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> Peter Miller suggested:
> I think it might be a good idea to include a list of side projects and
> collaborations in the FAQs or somewhere else.
Oh yes. This is a good idea. The only thing I can think of is that Arab Strap
single, tho.... ...um... ....er...  ....Is Monica Queen included?

'Azriel' wrote
> i've just subbed yesterday, and you all seem like a fabulous group of
> people. i sure hope i'm right. ;)
Yeah, me too. Being relatively new myself I have to tell you that there are
lots of really obtuse subjects, ah, but it's worth it. Don't worry about list crush 
talk either - The votes were all done by me (thats why I haven't got any). Sorry
to dissapoint y'all! ;-)

Shackie wrote:
> > I am probably the millionth person to ask this but can someone do me a 
> > tape of Tigermilk. Cheeky question I know but I can think of no other way. 
> > The person who does this will receive riches beyond their wildest dreams 
> > (well a big thank you, a list cruch vote from me and a Swizzlestick).> 
> ditto here...
....yesssss.... I'd, er, like one too *please* a secondhand copy's fine! The 
reward is my everlasting love and respect and a big bag of lemon sherbert.

John wrote:
> i wouldn't stop there, and even though some would comment on the look-back
> bores, one could revise the previous titles too!
> If You're Feeling A Sock, Me and the Sock, Judy and the Dream of Socks, 
> Like Dylan In Socks, A Century of Socks, Hurley's Having Socks,  Sockfull Of
> Hollow, Lazer Guided Socks .... ( hey, how did they get in there ??) by now,
> i believe the words flogging, dead and horse are being uttered, but oh does
> the fun never stop 'round here? :)
How about 'Socks For Children'... ....well bloody sod 'y then.

John Johnson wrote
> And it would always have reminded me of Dexter Fletcher for whom I have the 
> utmost lothing because a bloke I know who looks a bit like him is going out
> with a girl I fancy.
John, I can see you're not at all unreasonable, so I'm sure you can sort out this 
little 'problem'

No top tens for a while. Here's one:

Top ten names I was called while at Glastonbury.
10 - 'Errintun
9 - Pseudo
8- Weejay
7 - Pseudo Weejay
6 - Androgenous person
5 - That Little Faggot
4 - Porcelain Boy
3 - Pseudo Scouser
2 - The Musical Penis
1 - Wildman Jim

	Yours blushingly,
			WeeJay




WeeJay - A bootlicking, pissdrinking, fingerfrigging,
tit-tweaking, lovebiting, arselicking, shit-stabbing,
muthafucking, spunk-loving, ballbusting, cocksucking,
fistfucking, lipsmacking, thirstquenching, cool-living,
ever-giving useless man.
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From TWidmer at xxx.com  Thu Jul 30 21:16:13 1998
From: TWidmer at xxx.com (Tara Widmer)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:16:13 -0700
Subject: Sinister: re: L.A. Clubbies
Message-ID: <81C1FB3F4D1ED111A51400805FC1DF0322B53F@amerwksnt01.xil.com>


Girl Racer Tasha wrote:
<<i'm going to be going down to L.A. for a couple of weeks starting
august 14th i think. and i was wondering if anyone knows of any good
clubs down there which play britpop-type-music >>

There is a club called "Cafe Bleu" which is held on Thursdays(?), and
from the sounds of it, it's pretty much the same as SF's Popscene. Which
can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on what you think of that
place.  LA listees, isn't there also a club named after something by
Pulp - "lipgloss" or "his'n'hers" or "common people" or something???
I'm surprised "Disco 2000" hasn't been taken. Or "this is hardcore" for
that matter.
Have fun, Tasha!!  

Today I tried to reserve a copy of "the Boy with.." and the people at
the store i called (who shall remain nameless cos they don't need the
advertising) wouldn't do it because "the album title and release date
haven't really been confirmed".  this is rubbish right?? I think he just
said that so he could make sure they all got their copies first or
something:-P  He didn't even sound impressed that I "received an e-mail
from the record company verifying this info."  poo.

<<also i'll miss sarah. (tho i don't have a crush on her, unless she
turned out
to be a cute boy) HER POSTS ARE FUNNY!!!!!!>>
maybe in her absence we can honor her by changing all our sig files to
caps & "!!!" ??

TATA!!!
tara
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From thaiant at xxx.gov  Thu Jul 30 23:31:00 1998
From: thaiant at xxx.gov (Thaian N Ton)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:31:00 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Farewell for now
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Dear List,

It's been a beautiful time, it's been fabulous & grand but I've got to
unsubscribe for a month and pop back on later. Sorry!  Stopping work
means stopping your wonderful voices from telling me about real life.

xoxo, wee chi chi (thaian) xoxo

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From mick at xxx.com  Thu Jul 30 23:08:01 1998
From: mick at xxx.com (Mick McMick)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:08:01 -0400
Subject: Sinister: re: L.A. Clubbies
References: <81C1FB3F4D1ED111A51400805FC1DF0322B53F@amerwksnt01.xil.com>
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Tara Widmer wrote:
> There is a club called "Cafe Bleu" which is held on Thursdays(?), and
> from the sounds of it, it's pretty much the same as SF's Popscene. Which
> can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on what you think of that
> place.

	I went there when I was in LA as well. It was pretty fun, I have to
say. I used to have a slight dislike for "britpop," but even I enjoyed
it. Of course, that dislike has slowly been completely eroded, but it
was still fun. They played St. Etienne and the Smiths and Monaco and
some other fun stuff. I also believe that the night we were there it was
a release party for the (then) new Pulp album. They were giving out free
posters & stuff.
	Oh, also make sure you're dressed to a tee, there is a line of hipsters
outside who sneer at everyone's clothing. Or at least I think that's
what they were doing. Regardless, it was fun dancing there. Oh, and
there was a band I didn't like too much to open things up. No one there
except the band's girlfriends seemed to like them much either, and they
weren't very britpop, either.

	Hm...I just had a really funny thought. Can anyone imagine B&S being
played in a club? How could you dance to it? If they did play it, what
would they play? "Sleep Around the Clock"? A dance remix of something,
perhaps? (hehe)
 
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From parachute at xxx.net  Fri Jul 31 03:34:49 1998
From: parachute at xxx.net (brad whiddon)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:34:49 -0400
Subject: Sinister: sorry
Message-ID: <35C12D49.349A@earthlink.net>


sorry to have to post this to the list.

my email program left me a dear john letter and fucked off with a slutty
little spell checker. 

so if you've written me in the past couple of days, i didn't get them.

so if i'm important enough to you (and i am) to resend me a
letter.....you betta.

-brad
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From xav at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 31 06:43:00 1998
From: xav at xxx.uk (Mark Crutch)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:43 +0100
Subject: Sinister: My god captain! He's de-lurking off the starboard bow...
Message-ID: <199807310544.GAA03054@irwell.zetnet.co.uk>


Okay, so I've been on the list for... well, must be at least two days now,
and still just getting into the vibe of it all. Nice and relaxed; I like
that. And lots of rambling; I like that too. So I figured I'd ramble a bit
myself, prompted by the following:-

---- Quoty Bit ---
I noticed from the photo on the recent Jeepster mailout that Stewpot M
is left handed...I'm sure this explains a lot. Such as 

---- Other quoty bit ---

> Why is Stuart M pretending to be left-handed? Does he want us all to
> think that he is in league with the DEVIL???? 

	Hm...just guessing here. I don't remember much from my two years of
Latin. Don't blame me, it was...uh I'd say over 6 years ago. Anyway, the
latin word for left is Sinister, Sinistris. Raises some interesting

---- End of quoty bits ---

I wondered about any left-handed connection myself, given that I'm very,
very sinister, and a frequent poster to alt.lefthanders. Yes, the word
comes from Latin (those Roman bastards were highly anti-sinister; you
weren't even allowed to join their army if you were a lefty - and they
invented the right-handed handshake, and fascist salute).

Apart from that, I also can't remember much of my Latin, from 9 years ago
(except some song lyrics I wrote which slipped into the dead tongue -
"Caecilius in horto sedet//Et multo vino bibet//Et quarto canem videt...")
but i do know that very few languages, regardless of their roots, have
anything nice to say about lefties (e.g. French: "Gauche" meaning left, or
awkward!).

I'm even using left-handedness as the subject of my second novel (and yes,
the first one failed to get published (though I didn't actually try very
hard), so it's on my web pages if you want it, together with some short
stories. End of plug).

Whilst I'm rambling, a brief introduction: 25, male, stupidly long hair,
good looking to wildebeest, hoping to go to London for the gig but waiting
'til a friend of mine returns from the states to see if she wants to go
too, apart from her I know nobody round here (Bucks, UK) who's into B & S -
and I'm not even sure about her (but her foot was definitely tapping when I
blasted her with Me & The Major in the car)

Enough for now; I'll write again sometime when I feel I've got something to
say, but in the meantime I'll just disappear into the ethereal mists of
some ethereally misty place.

Ye gods! I'm more adept at rambling than I ever could have imagined!

Xav
 
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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 31 10:17:58 1998
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:17:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Collaborations
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> Peter Miller suggested:
> I think it might be a good idea to include a list of side projects and
> collaborations in the FAQs or somewhere else.
Oh yes. This is a good idea. The only thing I can think of is that Arab
Strap
single, tho.... ...um... ....er...  ....Is Monica Queen included?


OK... Bored at work at the moment, let's think.

Stuart : Arab Strap
Stuart David : Looper
Isobel : Arab Strap, Snow Patrol
Chris : V-Twin, Arab Strap, his mate's band, the big tall blonde bloke,
can't remember his name.
Mick : Hardbody, Mojave 3, Amphetameanies (Und Ska Band?), Karelia,
Ex-Cathedra
Richard : Polarbear

MILLER! Just got your tape of Ash Ra Temple and walked into work with it
on... It was great, it took me 20 minutes to get to work, and it was a
guitar solo all the way! Tim Hopkins would've loved it. Thanks very much for
that, hopefully your tape will arrive soon. I must also apologise as I'm not
gonna be able to send my tape tree tape off until Sunday, as I'm in Glasgow
tonight, will send it off first class on Sunday though - that should make up
for it.

    About B+S in clubs, they play them quite a lot in clubs here, although
perhaps that isn't all that surprising. This is how you generally dance to
them... Dance like a complete bastard, then wake up the next morning having
stuffed your knee in really badly, ignore it for about 2 months, hoping it's
gonna go away, it doesn't... Go and see the doctor, who arranges an
appointment with the physiotherapist, go and see the physio yesterday and
get told that it's doing OK, and should I do x amount of exercises then soon
I'll be OK.

Cheers,
    Keith.


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From kcooke at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 31 09:59:00 1998
From: kcooke at xxx.uk (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 9:59:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: CDZone latest
Message-ID: <B53A0430016A1600@c2gate.tcom.co.uk>


Just an update in the long running saga of CDZone listing non-existent
records by Belle & Sebastian...

Not only is Modern Rock Song STILL listed, but they have now added an
entry for a CD single called Reinventing Punctuation with a release
date of 14th of August.

Maybe they were attempting to add an entry for the new album and got the
title, format, and release date wrong - impressive even for them.

The other possibility is that they are aware of a planned single, and
have started listing it before it has been confirmed, like they did with
Modern Rock Song.

Can anyone shed any light on how they might have dreamt this one up?

Kevan

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From cleonard at xxx.COM  Fri Jul 31 11:04:09 1998
From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:04:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Collaborations
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>Stuart : Arab Strap
>Stuart David : Looper
>Isobel : Arab Strap, Snow Patrol
>Chris : V-Twin, Arab Strap, his mate's band, the big tall blonde bloke,can't
remember his name.
>Mick : Hardbody, Mojave 3, Amphetameanies (Und Ska Band?),
Karelia,Ex-Cathedra
>Richard : Polarbear

Just a quickie,  Richard was drumming with Camera Obscura at that church
hall fence thing.  
And Stuart M's on that polarbear thing too.

I will write back later with talk of an exciting new competition!  With
big prizes of the elvis variety.
Anyone here from Singapore?  I'm going to Singapore next week, you know.

Later list,
    C

PS.  Thank you for my list crush, secret lady.   I'm much happier now.

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From EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 31 11:36:27 1998
From: EDAPLYNR3N00297 at xxx.uk (ELIZABETH DAPLYN)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:36:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Collaborations
Message-ID: <F292934A5CEAD111892E00A0C943E5AB11EB14@kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk>


Keith wrote:
> Stuart : Arab Strap
He's also featured on something or other by Hefner, playing his *mighty
organ* as I recall...
> Stuart David : Looper
> Isobel : Arab Strap, Snow Patrol
> Chris : V-Twin, Arab Strap, his mate's band, the big tall blonde bloke,
> can't remember his name.
> Mick : Hardbody, Mojave 3, Amphetameanies (Und Ska Band?), Karelia,
> Ex-Cathedra
> Richard : Polarbear
> 
Kevan wrote:
> Just an update in the long running saga of CDZone listing non-existent
> records by Belle & Sebastian...
> 
> Not only is Modern Rock Song STILL listed, but they have now added an
> entry for a CD single called Reinventing Punctuation with a release
> date of 14th of August.
Begorrah, if that isn't the name of Salako's prospective album.  Or it was
going to be last thing I heard anyway.  It's the old "Hey, whatever comes
out on Jeepster must be by Belle & Sebastian, right?" thing.  CDZone needs a
smack and to be sent to bed without any pudding.

Bonjour et au revoir,
                               Liz.

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From MctaggartR at xxx.com  Fri Jul 31 12:08:44 1998
From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:08:44 +0100
Subject: Sinister: maladroits a la vignette
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Hello Sleazebags,

Keith wrote:

>MILLER! Just got your tape of Ash Ra Temple and walked into work with
>it on... It was great, it took me 20 minutes to get to work, and it
>was a guitar solo all the way! Tim Hopkins would've loved it. Thanks
>very much for that.

I too received a tape from MILLER yesterday.  It's very good, and
doesn't seem to have any guitar solos on it.  It has got the funk
though, and how.  Thank you Peter, I HAVE to meet you.  I also have a
mental picture of Keef, shamelessly air guitaring as he walks to work.
I hope other readers will also take a few minutes from their day, close
their eyes, and concentrate hard on this strange but undeniably arousing
image.

WeeJay, no offence, but your signature footer stinks.

Love,
Saint Lucy
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From tourajsig2 at xxx.com  Fri Jul 31 12:44:50 1998
From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:44:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Collaborations
Message-ID: <19980731114450.27256.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>


You people have short memories...

Stuart M:  engineered early Scritti Politti singles, mates with Robert
Fripp

Stuart D:  student of Schoenberg, fired as conductor of Bucharest
Philarmonic after 'spicing up' performance of Messiaen's 'Turangalila'
with shouts of 'Nice one !', 'Quality !' and 'Christ, where did *that*
come from ?'; subsequently played marimbas on PiL's 'Death Disco'

Isobel:  Martin Fry's manager during the lean years, can be heard
providing backing vocals on The Clash's 'Sandanista'

Chris:  toured with Hawkwind in the 70s (in a 'consultative'
capacity); co-wrote short-lived 'Rhoda'-spinoff sitcom for NBC shortly
after

Mick:  older than his boyish good looks suggest, he can be spotted on
page 15 of the booklet included with Sony's recent Miles Davis/Gil
Evans box-set, swapping a joke with Miles during a 'Sketches of Spain'
recording break.  Something ribald involving 'ladeez', no doubt. 
Science correspondent for 'Nationwide' in the late 70s

Richard:  cited as an 'inspiration' on several Ini Kamoze albums;
wrote the theme to 'So Haunt Me'

Sarah:  invented speed garage

They were all, of course, Nazi collaborators during Germany's
occupation of France in the 1940s.

Mike (never took my coat off in the first place). 





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From shop at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 31 12:29:22 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:29:22 +0100
Subject: Sinister: CDZone latest
References: <B53A0430016A1600@c2gate.tcom.co.uk>
Message-ID: <35C1AA92.43060753@jeepster.co.uk>


Kevan Cooke wrote:
> 
> Just an update in the long running saga of CDZone listing non-existent
> records by Belle & Sebastian...
> 
> Not only is Modern Rock Song STILL listed, but they have now added an
> entry for a CD single called Reinventing Punctuation with a release
> date of 14th of August.
> 
> Maybe they were attempting to add an entry for the new album and got the
> title, format, and release date wrong - impressive even for them.
> 
> The other possibility is that they are aware of a planned single, and
> have started listing it before it has been confirmed, like they did with
> Modern Rock Song.
> 
> Can anyone shed any light on how they might have dreamt this one up?
> 
> Kevan

re-inventing punctuation is the forthcoming debut album from salako, the
people at cdnow are obviously very confused and easily muddled. they
must think that jeepster are some sort of cover for belle and sebastian
and believe that salako are just a fake name too.

so ignore their pathetic attempts at being on the ball, they fall well
short of the mark.
congrats though go to whichever company it was (bugger, i can't remember
their name) who took the effort and time to confirm their details with
us directly - i think it was imvs, but i'm not too sure.

:)

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From cleonard at xxx.COM  Fri Jul 31 14:16:02 1998
From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:16:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: COMPETITION:  Fantasy B&S song League
Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=Murray_Johnstone%l=CARDHU-980731131602Z-1319@cardhu.murrayj.com>


>What, with the upcoming B&S tour activity 31st Aug - 7th September.  I
>thought it would be nice if we had a little competition.  Here's the story -
>you have to buy 5 songs which you think will be played at the upcoming
>concerts, with 10000 quid.  You get 5 points for each song they play, that
>you own.   You will accumulate points as the tour progresses.  
>
>Bonus
>=====
>You also have to guess the order in which your 5 songs would be played.    If
>you get the order right you get bonus points.
>
>1 Song   played in correct order = 0 points
>2 Songs played in correct order = 2 points
>3 Songs played in correct order = 3 points
>4 Songs played in correct order = 4 points
>5 Songs played in correct order = 5 points
>
>Rules:
>
>1.  You must choose exactly 5 songs
>2.  You must spend exactly 10000 quid
>3.  No members of Belle and Sebastian can win, but they can play.
>4.  No-one I suspect is on friendly/sexual terms with any members of B&S can
>win, but they can play.
>5.  I'm only going to run this for the UK tour dates, but you can still enter
>no matter where you are.
>6.  Once you've picked your songs you can't change them.  Your 5 songs are
>applied to all the gigs.
>7.  I'm gamesmaster, so what I say is right.
>8.  Anyone who tries to  manipulate the band to play certain songs (heckling
>at gigs etc) cannot win.
>9.  In the event of a draw, there will be a tie break round.  I haven't
>decided what it is yet.
>10.  No entries will be accepted after 30th August 1998.
>
>Here's a list of B&S songs with there corresponding prices. 
>
>Title						Cost	
>Sleep The Clock Around				5000	
>Chick Factor					5000	
>It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career		5000	
>Ease Your Feet Into The Sea			5000	
>Dirty Dream #2					5000	
>Simple Things					5000	
>Seymour Stein					5000	
>Is It Wicked Not To Care				5000	
>A Summer Wasting				5000	
>The Rollercoaster Ride (Instrumental)		5000	
>Spaceboy Dream				5000	
>The Boy With The Arab Strap			5000	
>The Fox In The Snow				4000	
>Like Dylan In The Movies			4000	
>Mayfly						4000	
>Seeing Other People				4000	
>The Stars Of Track And Field			4000	
>Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying		4000	
>Judy And The Dream Of Horses			4000	
>The Boy Done Wrong Again			4000	
>Me And The Major 				4000	
>Slow Graffiti					3000	
>Modern Rock Song				3000	
>A Century Of Fakers				3000	
>The Loneliness Of A Middle DistanceRunner	3000	
>Rhoda						3000	
>Lazy Line Painter Jane				3000	
>Dog On Wheels					3000	
>A Century Of Elvis				2500	
>String Bean Jean				2500	
>You Made Me Forget My Dreams		2500	
>Le Pastie De La Bourgeoisie			2500	
>Beautiful					2500	
>Photo Jenny					2500	
>Belle And Sebastian				2500	
>Put The Book Back On The Shelf		2500	
>My Wandering Days Are Over			1000	
>Mary Jo						1000	
>The State I Am In				1000	
>Expectations					1000	
>I Don't Love Anyone				1000	
>You're Just A Baby				1000	
>She's Losing It					1000	
>I Could Be Dreaming				1000	
>Electronic Renaissance				1000	
>We Rule The School				1000		
>London Has Let Me Down Again			500	
>Hurley's Having Dreams				500	
>Pocketbook Angel				500	
>
>
>Sample Entry
>==========
>here are my 5 songs:
>
>The State I Am In		   1000
>Judy And The Dream Of Horses     4000
>Slow Graffiti 	   		   3000
>She's Losing It			   1000
>My Wandering Days Are Over        1000
>
>= 10000
>
>I take the order to be the order you write the songs down.
>
>PRIZE
>=====
>The big prize is one of my favourite personal belongings - A fine framed
>picture of Young Elvis dancing in a big woolly jumper.  It is fantastic.  
>
>
>How to enter
>==========
>Mail me your 5 choices at cleonard at murrayj.com
>DO NOT MAIL THE LIST WITH ENTRIES!!!!  cos honeypaul with give me a row, and
>probably not put out.
>DO NOT MAIL THE LIST WITH ENTRIES!!!!  That's important
>DO NOT MAIL THE LIST WITH ENTRIES!!!!   MAIL cleonard at murrayj.com!
>I shall give you a telling off if you have a number of songs other than 5, or
>have not spent exactly 10000 quid.
>If you do mail the list with your entries, I'll change one of your guesses to
>Electronic Renaissance.
>
>Any questions to me.  I'm quite excited.
>
>Good luck,
>    dungeon master chris
>
>
>
>
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From Mark at xxx.com  Fri Jul 31 14:21:08 1998
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:21:08 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Eighties pop tapes
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Hallo again.

I am currently in possession of the tapes that Andreas very kindly put
together to give us non-completists a taste of eighties pop, and I'm not
sure who I should be sending them on to. If I'm just being dense and
there's a list or something, or if anyone wants them next, mail me and
I'll send them on to you - albeit with sadness, as there's some fab
stuff on them.

I hope you're all ready to propel Salako into the Hit Parade in a
fortnight's time - don't forget, Salako LPs make great Christmas
presents! And coasters! And novelty greeting cards! And 20 tracks - what
value, eh?

Is anyone thinking of organising any kind of trip from London to
Notts/Leeds gigs at all? Could be fun in a Cliff Richard stylee...

Much love,
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From xav at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 31 14:46:00 1998
From: xav at xxx.uk (Mark Crutch)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: RE: My god captain! He's de-lurked
Message-ID: <199807311347.OAA24984@irwell.zetnet.co.uk>



------------------
>My friend Charlotte's a lefty, and very proud of _being_ Sinister instead
of
>just _feeling_ sinister like us poor dextrous people.  I still reckon
you're
>all in league with the devil, though ;)

Tell her to get lurking on alt.lefthanders then, where she'll meet a whole
host of similarly proud people (plus a couple of the obligatory pathetic
trolls). As for being in league with the devil - let's see; go to heaven,
get a cloud, work your way through the ranks like some McDonald's trainee
and eventually manage some wings and a harp. Or worse still, you make it
all the way to the top and come back as Paul Hogan or the bloke from
Highway to Heaven. Not too promising really.

Hell, on the other hand: full of murderers (and worse) but you're already
dead, so i would imagine that they're all sitting in a corner getting
depressed. Meanwhile there's all the bondage gear you could shake a cat at,
and all those people that were too busy having fun on a Sunday morning to
get themselves down to the local church. I think I'll go for the latter.

As you may have guessed, as well as feeling (and being) sinister, I am a
hopeless unbeliever - though I don't find it actually causes any pain, so
can survive quite adequately without being administered to by a minister or
two.


>> I'm even using left-handedness as the subject of my second novel (and
yes,

>Yes, but if you're going to plug yr website, it might be wise to actually
>give the URL as well ;)

Hmmm... it looks like someone unplugged their server just as my message was
going through, sending my sig plunging into the darkest depths of the back
of the sofa. As my email client is convinced it sent it out, I can only
guess that either it's lying, or it was trimmed off at some point, so on
the basis that it doesn't make it this time either, try the following:-

www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~xav

The link to the stories and novel is fairly obvious, and if any of you are
unsure whether or not to take the plunge and have a read, there are also a
selection of quotes from people who did, so you can get a feel for people's
opinions of my stuff.


>I'd like to read your poor unfortunate novel, so...

Well, I hope you enjoy it - but be warned, it's about 200,000 words long
and prints out at about a ream on single sided, default courier font from
most printers. Well worth it though, but then I would say that. I like to
think it's somewhere between Terry Pratchett and JRR Tolkien (funnier than
the latter, but a better plot (i.e. it has one!) than the former). Other
people have other ideas though, so check out the quotes.

>> Xav
>I thought it was Mark.  Could this be a cunning pseudonym?

Well it was more cunning in the past: on account of having a stupid surname
which is all too easy to track down if someone takes offence, experience
has shown me that a pseudonym can be useful, so when I got on the internet
I used the name of the "character" I play in my band, Xavier Moonchild &
The Rumpy Pumpy Lovesticks - hence Xav.

Recently, however, I've started using a PDA to access my mail, news, etc.,
and the damned thing insists on sending out my real name all the time. 

>Bonjour et au revoir,

Vale et vale (I think - I told you, I haven't done Latin for 9 years,
still, sic biscitus disintegrat)

Xav (or Mark, or hairy, or whatever; it's only a label, it has no soul,
what do I care what you call me)

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http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~xav
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From schrasj at xxx.com  Fri Jul 31 15:49:44 1998
From: schrasj at xxx.com (Graham LeBron)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 07:49:44 PDT
Subject: Sinister: slow graffiti
Message-ID: <19980731144944.13140.qmail@hotmail.com>


>It said there doing a track for "The Acid House"  film and it'll be 
>available on the soundtrack next year!  Cool huh! I think it was 
>called "Slow Graffiti"

Hey all, will this movie be an international release or will the US have 
to wait like for 'trainspotting'?  I can't wait for that soundtrack, 
Slow Graffiti is my absolute favorite B&S right now, and I was sad not 
to see it on the album.
My band did a cover of it last nite and afterwards several people asked 
me what it was so hopefully I'm spreading the B&S love.

also, parasol records(www.parasol.com) has the Looper single if you're 
still having trouble finding it.

cheers,

g r a m


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From Calumn.Shearer at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 31 16:00:40 1998
From: Calumn.Shearer at xxx.uk (Shearer, Calumn)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:00:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: are we BEING sinister?
Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=East_Ayrshire_Co%l=ITKIL03-980731150040Z-2183@ITKIL03.east-ayrshire.gov.uk>


I haven't seen much traffic about the "Glasgow dates" lately, I do 
hope this isn't some sort of "inner circle conspiracy" to nab all the 
good seats before us lesser mortals ;-)
The venue, I can confirm (but we knew this) _is_ Maryhill community 
center, Maryhill Road, Glasgow. Please don't phone here as the poor 
bloke's had quite enough already as you can probably imagine.
 Anyway, after a nice chat (he knew my dad!) I found out that: the 
hall has been booked for the 31st August / 1st September and as far as 
he knows Virgin are "the only" ticket outlet. (you could probably find 
some in "Just the ticket", but it ain't certain!)
I phoned Virgin, and the very helpful girl knew absolutely nothing 
about it. Other than that she had been getting a few calls from other 
"investigative pop fans" ! I told her what I could, and she'll get 
back to me "before the end of the day" with details on ticket 
availability etc etc.

Well, I'll get back to you...

Calumn Shearer
IT Department
East Ayrshire Council
Telephone: 01563 57 6538
Email: Calumn.Shearer at east-ayrshire.gov.uk
That's "capital C alum enn dot capital S hearer at east dash ayrshire 
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From Calumn.Shearer at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 31 16:17:24 1998
From: Calumn.Shearer at xxx.uk (Shearer, Calumn)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:17:24 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tickets for Glasgow!!
Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=East_Ayrshire_Co%l=ITKIL03-980731151724Z-2200@ITKIL03.east-ayrshire.gov.uk>


Sorry, couldn't resist that subject line (naughty)
The trail goes cold, It's Friday Afternoon and I'm going home.
Virgin got as far as Banchory Management, (ooh spelling?)
Who, like me,  are not going to be back at Work 'till Monday. My new 
found friend at Virgin ticket sales (name withheld to protect the 
lovely)  is going to contact them then.
So, looks like I won't know until Tuesday when the tickets will be 
available.
How many people does the Community Center seat?
Is Virgin the _sole_ supplier?
How many blue smarties _are_ in an average tube?
Will opal fruits _ever_ be the same now that they changed their name?

<gruff Movie-trailer voiceover>Do you know the answer to any of these 
questions?
Then, citizens, we need your help.....

Or at least I do - I haven't had a decent opal fruit in months...


Calumn Shearer
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Telephone: 01563 57 6538
Email: Calumn.Shearer at east-ayrshire.gov.uk
That's "capital C alum enn dot capital S hearer at east dash ayrshire 
dot gov dot you kay" and I'm off home now...

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From shop at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 31 16:32:40 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:32:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Tickets for Glasgow!!
References: <c=GB%a=_%p=East_Ayrshire_Co%l=ITKIL03-980731151724Z-2200@ITKIL03.east-ayrshire.gov.uk>
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as ever we urge you to be patient, you do ALWAYS get the info before
anyone else, so just calm it a bit.

tickets are NOT yet for sale, and we're sure that the band or us will
announce any ticket details and exact venue details as and when they are
all totally confirmed!

so please restrain yourself for another few days/weeks while things fall
into place.

:)

--

Shearer, Calumn wrote:
> 
> Sorry, couldn't resist that subject line (naughty)
> The trail goes cold, It's Friday Afternoon and I'm going home.
> Virgin got as far as Banchory Management, (ooh spelling?)
> Who, like me,  are not going to be back at Work 'till Monday. My new
> found friend at Virgin ticket sales (name withheld to protect the
> lovely)  is going to contact them then.
> So, looks like I won't know until Tuesday when the tickets will be
> available.
> How many people does the Community Center seat?
> Is Virgin the _sole_ supplier?
> How many blue smarties _are_ in an average tube?
> Will opal fruits _ever_ be the same now that they changed their name?
> 
> <gruff Movie-trailer voiceover>Do you know the answer to any of these
> questions?
> Then, citizens, we need your help.....
> 
> Or at least I do - I haven't had a decent opal fruit in months...
> 
> Calumn Shearer
> IT Department
> East Ayrshire Council
> Telephone: 01563 57 6538
> Email: Calumn.Shearer at east-ayrshire.gov.uk
> That's "capital C alum enn dot capital S hearer at east dash ayrshire
> dot gov dot you kay" and I'm off home now...
> 
> Tooddle pip.
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From shop at xxx.uk  Fri Jul 31 17:39:50 1998
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:39:50 +0100
Subject: Sinister: jeepster-news: salako single released this monday (UK) ... yay!!!
Message-ID: <35C1F356.4541ABD6@jeepster.co.uk>


SINGLE RELEASE DETAILS!

following their heavy rotation on londons alternative radio station XFM
and last weeks appearance on 'the jack docherty show', salako finally
release their debut single this monday 3rd august.

'growing up in the night' is available on CD (JPRCDS006) and limited 7"
(JPR7006) in the UK and features the tracks:

	01- growing up in the night
	02- my internal visitor
	03- my booroo clow

this is what has been said by a few people already (these have come from
genuine reaction sheets) ;)

"...sublime pop song that deserves to be massive..."
"...what the hell is a booroo clow anyway?"
"...the lyrics are mad..."
"dreamy and inspired... really sweet summer vibe. interesting sound and
dead catchy with it. a winner. all the tracks are bursting with
invention and ideas without losing sight of a melody."
"...instantly lovable stuff. stereolab on the piss. i adore the mess of
it all..."

if you have any trouble getting hold of the single, quote the cat
numbers above and tell the man in the shop that it's distributed by
3mv/Pinnacle. if you're outside the UK, we'll be stocking this in the
on-line shop (http://www.jeepster.co.uk/shop.htm) one week after release
(on monday 10th august).

we've put sound samples, lyrics and artwork from the single on the net
(http://www.jeepster.co.uk/salako/discography/JPRCDS006.htm) for you to
review in your own time. you need to get the liquid audio player to
listen to the sound, and you can download this from
http://www.liquidaudio.com/

--

LIVE STUFF!

if you find yourself near hull over the coming weekends then you can be
amoung the first people to experience the salako live experience!

salako have a three week residency at the hull adelphi starting on
saturday 8th august (and then the two saturdays after that).

the band have promised to do something special, and after witnessing
their jack docherty performance first hand, i believe them. 

they should be onstage at around 10pm with support bands or dj's on
beforehand.

details can be found by contacting the hull adelphi directly on 01482
348 216.

--

AND ALBUM INFO ... :)

salako's debut album, 're-inventing punctuation' is set for release on
monday 17th august. sound samples and more details about this 20-track
masterpiece will follow closer to the date.

their labyrinth experiment (which claims to be a web site), will be
on-line the day the album is released (17th august).

we think they're fab ... hope you do too.

cheers,
david kitchen

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From rod at xxx.com  Fri Jul 31 11:24:38 1998
From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:24:38 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Why are there so many songs about rainbows?
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On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, Kevan Cooke wrote:

> Not only is Modern Rock Song STILL listed, but they have now added an
> entry for a CD single called Reinventing Punctuation with a release
> date of 14th of August.

Isn't that the new single from Salako?  Or did I just dream that?

Re: Dancing to B&S - DJ Leeee (famed Embra indie DJ who's just GRATE)
plays 'Mayfly' quite a lot.  To dance to it you... erm... dunno.  I don't
really dance.  Unless I've been drinking.  It's usually described by my
friends as "You were dancing like a spazz last night", though, so perhaps
that's the official B&S dance move then.

I got my B&S London ticket this morning.  "+ VERY SPECIAL GUESTS"?  ooooh.
Wonder who that could be?  Geri Spice isn't doing much these days, is she?
Or maybe The Sex Pistols will reform, and regale us with their version of
Kermit the Frog's "Rainbow Connection"?

LATERS!!!! rod xxx

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From kfr9 at xxx.gov  Fri Jul 31 20:33:14 1998
From: kfr9 at xxx.gov (Rehak, Kimberly)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:33:14 -0400
Subject: No subject
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I've been on this list for a grand total of two days now.  So, if I'm
doing anything wrong, please blame it on my virginity and not my
stupidity.  Anyway, I have never seen B&S live because I am stuck in
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, but I once had a dream about them, which I
will now share with all of you...

I'm not sure if it was a good dream or a bad one, but B&S was for some
reason opening for Paula Cole.  I went to see them alone because my
friend had to work the ticket booth.  The only other thing that I can
remember was that I had no shirt on and keep looking for it.

So can anyone tell me what this means?  And also why I am remembering it
again a good six months later?  Oh well, that's all for now.  I hope
everyone has a nice weekend.
KIM
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