From Snowinsumr at xxx.com  Mon Feb  1 01:07:23 1999
From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:07:23 EST
Subject: Sinister: Lucidity
Message-ID: <517038c7.36b4fe4b@aol.com>


Blake wrote:
>>Anyone think it's possible to be too shy and sensitive?

I don't think so...I think that sensitivity and shyness are two of the most
beautiful characteristics in the whole entire world...I certainly cannot say
no as I have been crying over the loveliness of the new Mojave3 album for the
past twenty minutes...it seems that nowadays people feel this need to make up
for their own insecurities by making fun of other's clothing and musical
tastes and sensitivity and shyness...it's all so foreign to me...I think that
being mean makes people look foolish and shows a very ignorant mind...

love, 
m. elise
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From evanbear at xxx.com  Mon Feb  1 01:32:07 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:32:07 -0500
Subject: Sinister: too shy shy
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<<<The Bonnie 'Prince' Billy album is the most dark and beautiful thing
you
are likely to hear for a long time.>>>

daaaaaamn right
id have to say its my favorite oldham album the best elements of "There
Is No One...", "Days In The Wake" and "joya" all mixed together
the harmonies on Nomadic Revery are completely utterly beyond
words....no description would do it justice man oh man
two disapointments: One With The Birds and Southside of The World arent
on the album, too short MORE DAMNIT I NEED MORE
i should check to see if the 7" with those songs is on cd, i get tired
of starting the 7" over and over again
though i do feel kinda special having those amazing songs


also today i found the New Bad Things 7" with the Dirge song on it (only
thing any of the stores in town had by them (what crazy wacky luck yay,
es muy cool)
speaking of luck i finally got the Lucksmiths' newest album (soooo
good), also got Holiday Flyer-The Rainbow Confection, used anybody heard
them? would be very liked by many a B&S fan, flute, piano, guitar,
cello, two chicks and a boy harmony and a trombone on one song, a lot
like Ida but less intense and with a flute YAY

well i have no list crushes so im gonna either become a scorned lesbian
screaming girl power type stuff or change my name to sensitive evan then
people will love me
that wasnt meant to be negative if it sounds that way
-----Ev
nw (now watching)-spider man & friends (SPIDER FRIENDS GO FOR
IT!!!!!!!)(firestar is such a hottie)
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Today was another day full of dread
But I never said I was afraid
Dread and fear should not be confused
By dread I'm inspired, by fear I'm amused
---"Another Day Full Of Dread" by Bonnie Prince Billy

my home page:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/dixiecluck

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From pookie59 at xxx.com  Mon Feb  1 02:02:23 1999
From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:02:23 PST
Subject: Sinister: bored (as you can tell)
Message-ID: <19990201020224.11459.qmail@hotmail.com>


Dear Diary,

Mama says belle and sebastian can't hear me when i talk to them through 
the posters on my wall. why is she so senile.
this morning,i posed naked in front of a paint splattered canvas while 
listening to 'dog on wheels' because i know stuart murdoch would want me 
to do this. i do it all for him. mister bojangles,mister bojangles.

all this diary fun reminds of a time when i broke into a friends diary, 
(bad,i know) i wasn't doing it to be mean or anything,anyways..what 
shocked me the most was how dull she kept her diary,she wouldn't even 
write the name of this boy she liked for fear that someone would read 
her diary (well..maybe that was good judegment after all) so i wrote in 
lots of things scandalous things and arty poems,it was quite fun and 
hilarious at the time.

this is one of those days where you have a million things to do and you 
don't do them,you just let yourself get distracted...and i just don't 
get into the super bowl spirit...and o joy! physics first thing tomorrow 
so great when you have add..

fluffy sarah,i think one of the members of gomez tried to attack you..:) 
i keep sensing some anger directed at them..are they really considered 
so bad? i can't keep up with these bands,everything from the uk is 
'indie' to quebec,but i'm guessing these bands are like our tea party 
and tragically hip? if so...then i can understand... i liked that 'love 
is better than a warm trombone' song though,but mainly because a dashing 
young record lad said it was good,oh the influence...he said they 
sounded like joe cocker,i don't know who joe cocker is,but i pertended 
like i did..for some reason i thought he meant tom cocharane (doesn't he 
have a brother named joe cocker?)..he of "life is  a highway,and i'm 
gonna ride it all night long!" fame, remember that song! 

but i know jack all about 80's pop bands...i don't know what's in what s 
out!

john,i really liked that she-wolf of the gatineau.it lets me pertend for 
a little bit. i would like to be a princess,i would be a nice one and 
have a glorious un-greedy kingdom..well try to anyways..and i would 
sleep on a big pile of pillows! satin ones.

sweet dreams,
genevieve gingersnap

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From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com  Mon Feb  1 06:04:26 1999
From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 01:04:26 EST
Subject: Sinister: Palace a/k/a Will Oldham a/k/a Bonnie Prince Billy
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<<In a message dated 1/31/99 4:27:16 PM, Molly wrote:

<<The Bonnie 'Prince' Billy album is the most dark and beautiful thing you
are likely to hear for a long time.>>

I picked up the "I See The Darkness" lp last Friday and have been playing
daily ever since.  Truly the finest Palace lp since Viva Last Blues.  '99 has
started out right.

Pete



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From C.Timmins at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  1 09:23:27 1999
From: C.Timmins at xxx.uk (Claire M Timmins)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:23:27 GMT
Subject: Sinister: gigtastic
Message-ID: <5EEF7F5C21@arts.gla.ac.uk>


and to slide back onto topic, if anyone is going to the Evie Sands 
gig then do mail me and could try and meet up.

On rediscovering my record collection I came across one of the best 
lyrics of my lifetime..

'tips in a g-string made my living'.

What a great rhyming couplet Anyone guess what superb tune this 
belongs to.
I'm going to have a mini-disco, playing that song, the Star wars 
theme and Spandau Ballet and you're all invited..

love Claire

--------------------------- 
Claire Timmins
Leverhulme Research Assistant,
Department of English Language,
12 University Gardens,
University of Glasgow,
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From WarranderJ at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  1 11:40:13 1999
From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:40:13 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Holiday Snaps
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Morning pips,

Some crazed Australian nutter's been saying I vowed never
to return??? Bloody cheek, I've only been on my holidays. I
went to Scarborough and it was very nice. Just like the film
"Little Voice" that was filmed there.

Anyway, I've nowt to say really. Just thought I'd gloat a bit
cos I'm off up to Glasgow on Wednesday to see Evie. I'm
not sure I know who Evie Sands is really but the word on the
street seems to be saying it's hip to be into her groove and
that's good enough for me.

I hope some people are going to the indiepop all-dayer at
Sheffield's Boardwalk on Saturday 20th Feb. "Pop A-Go-Go"
it's called, and I'm getting a new striped t-shirt and anorak
for the occasion. Will "Young & Foolish" be available from the
fanzine stall? Can we meet up and swap lollipops?

Oh, and I've got to clear big gay Julian's name. I saw the
big fellow at the weekend and he denies sending anything to
this list last Friday, muttering something about how he'd have
been much more abusive and had a thing or two to say about
some other fucking people too!!! Julian scares me.

I got a parcel in the post from Japan today. It contained the
the soft rock compilation "It's a soft rock world", a Four King
Cousins' album and the latest Pizzicato 5 single.

That's just me gloating again. If you're not jealous, then you
bloody well should be.

I thought Sensitive Stan was very, very funny. Which reminds
me. Neelie Wheelie will be in some band at that thing in Sheffield.
Tag's never met Neelie Wheelie. I'm looking forward to his reaction.

And why do people assume Sensitive Stan isn't real? I've met many
young men of that persuasion in my time. Usually they were in
front of me in the queue at record shops. Often they'd be buying
7" singles on that label known as "Sarah" <eek!>.

I agree with Cynthia's boyfriend that "everyone has one primary
emotion that underlies everything one does". Mine is happiness.

That's just me gloating again.

Anyway, I went to a "pop quiz" in our local pub with a lady friend
last night. We got trounced. What a loser. I feel small. I'm not
fucking gloating now, eh?

Put a little love in your heart people
Love...John

PS I'd just like to announce to the list that I lost my virginity last
night. Actually, it wasn't last night. It was about a year ago. Just
after a Cardigans' show. I hope you all think it's big and clever
of me to share these things with you.

PPS If anybody is interested in my pet name for Mick McMick,
send me a private mail and I'll be happy to share it with you.

PPPS Joss, mails to you keep getting returned saying "user-ID
unknown" or something like that. Are we in a "Return To Sender"
type scenario here or is this a real technical hitch?
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From acook at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  1 12:16:42 1999
From: acook at xxx.uk (Alasdair Cook MS1996)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:16:42 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Invented by Madame Curie...
Message-ID: <36B59B2A.D7BCA652@cs.strath.ac.uk>


I don't like to issue imperatives very often, but here's 2 anyway

1.  Watch the Nick Drake documentary this week

2. Buy both Divine Comedy National Express singles, for the fantastic
covers of     
   Kraftwerk's 'Radioactivity' and The Magnetic Fields' 'Famous'.

Apologies for not having anything more interesting to say, but I just
can't be bothered since the weight of the world crushed my spirit.

That last bit was a joke, kind of. Put it this way, I'm not bloody
Martin Rossiter.

Bye for now
            Ally
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From C.B.Stride at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  1 12:27:55 1999
From: C.B.Stride at xxx.uk (Dr C.B.Stride)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:27:55 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Punch-a-go-go...
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> I thought Sensitive Stan was very, very funny. Which reminds
> me. Neelie Wheelie will be in some band at that thing in Sheffield.
> Tag's never met Neelie Wheelie. I'm looking forward to his reaction.

Indeed he will, he's a bit-part vocalist in a bnad called "Plouf!", and whilst not as twee as 
his other outfit "Bouquet", they will more-than-likely arouse the ire 
of many. But please refrain from violence towards him (unlike the bloke
 from Orlando at the Sarah 100 party) - as co-organiser of Pop-a-go-go I 
don't want any blood spilt, especially over my records....and if 
there is going to be violence then I'll only regret having not gone the 
whole hog and scattered a few of my favourite Oi! bands throughout 
the bill...
Chris




Offbeat on the web!!
http://www.shef.ac.uk/~offbeat/

Dance to the sounds of the indiepop underground
 at Sheffield REAL indie night
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From iles at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  1 13:03:46 1999
From: iles at xxx.uk (Mark Iles)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:03:46 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Salako Session
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	Haven't seen anyone else mention this (even David or Katrina), but
Salako are playing on John Peel's programme on Wednesday. That's all.


				Mark


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From andrew.dean at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  1 13:05:07 1999
From: andrew.dean at xxx.uk (Andrew Dean)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 13:05:07 +0000
Subject: Sinister: salako peel session, wednesday (uk)
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um, seeing as katrina stopped subscribing this list to the jeepster news
list when she had a strop before christmas and because i'm too lazy to
subscribe to the news list myself i don't know whether you all already
know this but...

salako are in session on peel's show on wednesday night (3rd feb). for
details see the whatever the opposite of user-friendly is salako page at
www.jeepster.co.uk/salako (or www.jeepster.co.uk/salako/news/index.shtml
if you can't be bothered trying to find the link)(it also mentions that
salako have remixed looper and are arranging to tour with him in ireland
shortly, 2nd lp in the works too). oh, it's 22:10 to 00:00 GMT btw,
radio 1

oh, and the nick drake thing is tonight (monday 1st) and not tuesday as
someone else said. it will be interesting to see if purple hair ran in
the family...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/television/today_bbc2_6pm-12.shtml
11:15pm Picture This: A Stranger Among Us - Searching for Nick Drake.
Profile of the singer-songwriter who died in the 70s. This programme
explores his reputation and the enduring power of his music
(Nicam Digital Stereo)

andy

i also notice that ski sunday special is also being broadcast in nicam
digital stereo. good use of licence payers money there...

tune in at 8:30 to see Anthony Worrel Thompson on Food and Drink and
marvel at how much he reminds you of our very own Tag

watched Top Of The Pops for the first time in ages as a friend was
apparently in the audience (as opposed to theaudience). what a load of
cynical toss that was. whoever recommended Steps on this list either
needs a lobotomy or already has one. Gay Dad? i can't take anyone with
those haircuts seriously i'm afraid. Sebadoh just weren't convincing.

oh, a lifestyle tip if i may: boots' strawberry flavour anti-bacterial
handwash. nice shaped bottle, lovely smell.

oh um, back to listening to my Sarah Records compilation... ooh,
Brighter...
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From tton at xxx.edu  Mon Feb  1 13:43:33 1999
From: tton at xxx.edu (Thaian N. Ton)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:43:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: belle dreams
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Hello beautiful sinisterines,

i had a belle and sebby dream the other night that was quite fun.  the
band had set up a recording/karaoke studio in a room in my uni and they
let us sing songs in it.  my pal & i were trying to figure out which songs
we wanted to sing and once we had decided there were already millions in
front of us, singing all the songs we had decided upon.  pooh!  but, i
sang 'state i am in' and then i met stuart murdoch who was also listening
to our voices to audition us.

belle and sebastian moments this weekend:  i went shopping for some cds
and met a gal buying *3* of the eps on vinyl.  

and they have a belle & sebastian article in magnet this month.  no
pictures though.  

lots of nutella to you all,
tidy, the wee monchichi
xo

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From radioheadsuck at xxx.com  Mon Feb  1 14:14:26 1999
From: radioheadsuck at xxx.com (Seamus Harte)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 14:14:26 GMT
Subject: Sinister: looper in ireland
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i heard one you say something about the possiblity of looper touring 
ireland ,
is this true , they'll have to play cork then

will the new b&s releases have sleevenotes included like the older 
releases
its just i really missed them in tbwtas and tijamrs

god, its me with b&s content

i do remember now that i used to have a fraggle rock jigsaw though, 
sorry but i just had to share that

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From agmuwv.044 at xxx.it  Mon Feb  1 14:57:06 1999
From: agmuwv.044 at xxx.it (Marco Braca)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 15:57:06 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Help me
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Hi sinisters ,
i'm still here .This days i study very much so i can't write .I'll back!

I've got a little problem .
The 9th of February i'll make the exame ( ethology), at 10 AM, and at 15
AM we'll take(me and my girlfriend) the plane Italy-London.This is our
problem:
We'll stay one night in London(then we'll go in Scotland) , we would
sleep in a bed and breakfast in Camden Town  , do you know a good B&B in
this zone?
Help me,
Marco#7.
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From rory_mackie at xxx.com  Mon Feb  1 15:38:11 1999
From: rory_mackie at xxx.com (Rory Mackie)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 07:38:11 PST
Subject: Sinister: Lost things, found things. Please just delete if you aren't Linda Kerr.
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Hello Linda (and anyone on the digest and those who chose to ignore my 
warning in the subject line.)

 It's StayLuckyRory here, I'm sorry to clog up the list with this 
request but do you think you could mail me with your address? The server 
at the geeky netcafe I post from has exploded taking all my address book 
gubbins with it and I have a tape tree tape for you. Many thanks.

 Sorry everyone.



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From sjacob at xxx.edu  Mon Feb  1 15:45:53 1999
From: sjacob at xxx.edu (sam jacob)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:45:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: gay dad porn video
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Firstly,

A belle and sebastian porn video!?! Is this really true, or some twisted
tidbit schemed up by someone trying to tease listees into buying something
unmentionable?

also, clipped from an older post:

>To quote John McKeown of the yummy fur (bear with me  here) "Chart pop
>targets are a mile wide and there's no satisfaction  in hitting them"
>that's to say that while you (and I frankly) find these  people boring
>they are on OUR side i.e they are making music for  arts sake unlike 75%
>of the people in the chart

>*cough* Bollocks. BOLLOCKS! Gay Dad making music for ARTS sake! Gomez!
>Music for Art!!!! 

I think the rock group "Male Nurse" beat "Gay Dad" a long time ago with a
funnier and more clever name. "Gay Dad" is just too obvious... I must
admit that i love Yummy Fur though.

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From ooon at xxx.th  Mon Feb  1 16:26:08 1999
From: ooon at xxx.th (oon)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:26:08 +0700
Subject: Sinister: orchestra maneuvered in the park
Message-ID: <36B5D5A0.D4CD4665@samart.co.th>



i just received something unusual in the mail.  namely,
Joan Jett and the BlackBloodyHeart. plus Huey
Lewis and the News.  what have i done to deserve
this?  ok i did order some cd.  but just harmless
thing.  now words have left me, i type instead.
everyone, the bad people who sent me this
state-of-the-art bollock is CDNOW.
be aware.

can i do the dear diary bit too?  last week
i was all smily happy for a few reasons.  but
that's too long story, even for a diary.  until
friday.  a nice cafe/bar that i once in a while
play music for was closing down.  so that night
we all went there for the last time.  my eyes
was brimful of tears half of the time.  there's
so much smoke in there.  very cloudy.  a bit like
what i thought dirty dream #2 video would look like.
because of that 'in a town so small' bit.  i didn't
know that when i first heard.  what i managed to
come up with was 'in a thousand smoke' which got
along well with the part that says 'you couldn't
see her face' as far as i'm concern.  speaking of
which, i could swear he doesn't sing
'you have to make it some day'.  many times i
listen to this song, all the time i hear
' you have to make it some tea'.
british people really like tea, i can understand that.

i also went to hear the Bangkok Symphony Orchestra
playing in the park yesterday. it's very pleasing.  the
sky was perfect blue.  with only a hint of cloud.  lovely
weather.  i almost falled asleep.  isn't weekend great?

did i mention my computer broke?  it's just come back.
thank you to everyone who wrote me last week.
month end is very busy time for me but i will be writing
soon.

all your talking of Evie Sands makes me somewhat bitter.
not that i know her or anything.  which is the bitter
point actually.  i live too far to know any good thing.
oh well.  bangkok may be far.  but full of other fun.
i will repeat that on my way to bed.

I'M GOING NOW BYE!
(can i borrow this Fluffy :)
oon xxx


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From macarthur at xxx.com  Mon Feb  1 17:07:20 1999
From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:07:20 -0000
Subject: Sinister: sinister: Looper news
Message-ID: <E107N5B-0006M1-00@rhenium.btinternet.com>



Dear sinister types

Sorry if this is old news to some poeple, but Looper are playing Rough
trade in Ladbrook grove this saturday, ring rough trade if you're planning
to attend, as you'll need a ticket, and I'll see you there!

*sigh*,  when will my badges arrive? i don't know...they must be stuck up
the tree or something...but how exciting to get to see them perform! I
apologise for the lack of b&s content....I bought the summer e.ps at the
weekend, and had my first, "ooh, you're buying belle and sebastian, i like
them...." moment, in Virgin megastores Stevenage, of all places. and i was
so pleased, i skipped home! 

I can't decide whether the collaboration on lazy line painter jane is good
or bad, because i love the purity of Stuart's voice alone, but love the
shouty girl!

be lucky duckies
love, Erica
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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  1 17:29:19 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:29:19 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: The Sinister List
Message-ID: <116DF9642B30D1119D530000F800DC3702333699@exchs3.lse.ac.uk>


Hey, guys...

-Firstly, yes it is possible to be too shy and sensitive. I know, I've been
there.

-Secondly, any ideas for songs that define the 90s? I don't mean the best
songs of the 90s, I mean songs from any era that could be used to remember
events in one's own life or the life of the world/Britain/US. Maybe as well
as the tape tree we could put together a collection of our own
favourites/this sort of thing. Sounds very introspective, but done in the
right way it can be really nice to remember things by especially if one
doesn't have enough time to keep a diary, even by sending it to
Sinister-list.

-Thirdly, will everyone stop picking on Sensitive Stan? I don't care if he's
real or not, he sounds really cute. 

-Fourthly, please, no catfights over the language one ought to use. Anyone
who decides to speak in a way they like should be entitled to do so, but
saying it is the cool/hip/trendy way to speak is subjective crap. Be
objective - let people have their own definitions of cool/hip/trendy and not
call people "sad". I listen to Beethoven's 6th to calm me down and find "I'm
Too Sexy" by Right Said Fred really funny and silly and great fun to listen
to -but so what?!??!!! Should it really matter?!?!?!?

OK Message over. Keep cool (now that it's still light at 5 o'clock I can say
that in the context of "don't overheat")

Louise l.stanley at lse.ac.uk

PS B&S - so, let me get this stragiht, the infamous Stuart Murdoch is in the
band, right? Sorry for appearing stupid, I've obviously got a lot of
research to do having no time to read much about the band and only having
bought the albums while I've been at college... OK so I bought "LLPJ" and
"3...6...9" last academic year but there is a difference between liking a
band and knowing everything about them, since I've not the time to be as
obsessed as I was with Pulp.  
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From honey at xxx.net  Mon Feb  1 18:16:18 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 18:16:18 +0000
Subject: Sinister: PLEASE READ: Sinister babies
Message-ID: <36B5EF72.5645DC8D@ph.ed.ac.uk>


The keenest amongst you will have noticed that you're all so fabulously
popular that there's over 900 of you now.  But not absolutely everyone
has been happy in Sinisterland in the last few months: it's suffered
from a lot of the boringly repetitive problems that many of you will
know from other music lists, and in spite of some mild botty spankings
has occasionally resembled a celestial game of sinister ping-pong.  For
that reason I've decided to indulge my desire to conduct cruel medical
experiment on you all: the introduction of a quarantine period.

Starting now, anyone who joins the list won't be able to post for a
short period, but will have to sit in the Sinister nursery for a while,
observing us silently.  The idea of this is that Sinister babies will
have to soak up the atmosphere before jumping in, and will hopefully
toddle off to the Archives and the FAQ on the WWW page for answers
before asking them here.  Think of it like a diver's decompression
chamber or something, only wearing nappies.  People who have been on the
list for the required period will be given voices automatically after
this time if they stick it out, so that they can then mail us all -
they'll be notified by email that they've been given a voice.  The
procedure to do this will run once a week, and looks back 2 weeks, so
people will be added after 2 to 3 weeks currently, depending on when
they first subscribe. This replies equally well to the main list and
digest.

I expect this to slow down Sinister membership somewhat, but I don't see
that as a disadvantage.  I'm hoping it will tend to sway the list in the
direction of the majority of us who wish to see it as a community rather
just a source of information or a selling shop. I'm not going to be mean
and shove users who *have* joined the list in the last 3 weeks into the
nursery but they should consider themselves "on nappy probation" and
will be whisked off to the nursery if they show they haven't been
looking in the Archive or haven't bothered with the list rules before
they post.  Note that this doesn't mean I don't love all you newcomers
:)  Equally well, anyone else who shows a disregard for the list rules
may have their vocal chords whisked out and replaced with a dummy if I
get a lot of groans about their mails privately.

Everyone currently on the list will, you'll be pleased to hear, be
voiced now.  If anyone who's been on Sinister with a voice leaves the
list, and subsequently rejoins, the software will hopefully recognise
them, give them a cheery wave and re-voice them when it runs (once a
week) as long as they haven't been a list criminal in the past.  You
should therefore all consider yourselves in the possession of a Willy
Wonka golden chocolate bar.  

This might all seem a bit harsh but I'm hoping it has an effect.  It's a
bit unorthodox but then this is a delightfully unorthodox list and I'll
do what I can to keep its sinisterlyness - you should therefore consider
this to be the first step in The Sinister New Direction.  More may
indeed follow.

If you have comments, please send them to me rather than the list, and
accompany them with a little love letter.

honey xxx
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From makerman at xxx.edu  Mon Feb  1 18:25:24 1999
From: makerman at xxx.edu (Michelle Akerman)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:25:24 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Lo-fi?
Message-ID: <01BE4DCD.2EA5BA00.makerman@ucdavis.edu>


hey sinisterines,
	Just a quick question: what is Lo-fi music?  I've heard a few of my fave 
bands/artists referred to as lo-fi, but I don't know what it means.  I 
know, I know, I'm so un-hip.  Thanks in advance for your answers.
	-Michelle
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From macarthur at xxx.com  Mon Feb  1 18:28:51 1999
From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:28:51 -0000
Subject: Sinister: sinister: Looper news OOPS
Message-ID: <E107O4Q-0006uu-00@rhenium.btinternet.com>




sorry everyone!
the looper gig at Rought Trade Ladbroke grove is in march. um...it's tony's
fault! so don't all go, and be dissapointed!
you still need a ticket thought. oops...

love, Erica
x
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From insanity at xxx.net  Mon Feb  1 18:38:12 1999
From: insanity at xxx.net (Kevin Keeler)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:38:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Lo-fi?
In-Reply-To: <01BE4DCD.2EA5BA00.makerman@ucdavis.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990201132728.775A-100000@uwns.underworld.net>


After reading the honey-pot post 'bout my "privelge".. i figger I'd better
answer!! how rude i would be if i sat here silently while the new folks
sit in the corner, longing to yell out an answer but with their mouths
taped shut.  

so color me inspired.

ah.  yes; an answer.  "lo-fi" refers to low-fidelity.  as in music.  i
*know* youve heard the term "hi-fi".. but for some reason not everyone
seems to appreciate that in order for their to be a "hi-fi" there must
also be a "lo-fi".  currently i am still on a search for some "mid-fi"
bands... but that seems to be a very thin line.  

so what is low fidelity? fidelity is how exactly a medium can reproduce
the content (only worded more grcaefully).  digital (minidic, cd, DAT) are
considered hi-fi (minidisc may be debated.... but you get the point.)  the
analogue equipment (reel to reel, vinyl, wax cylinder) are low fidelity.
this doesnt *necessarily* refer to how good it sounds (as this is a very
much ongoing debate on every mailing list I'm on (and if, by chance, i
have missed it here.... please don't enlighten me)), merely how *exact* it
is.   

so, the lo-fi folx you refer to either use non-digital equipment (which
truly isnt all that rare--and cheaper!--or they just have a general lo-fi
sound to them.  personally i think its just some other way to distinguish
the music you like.

and what happens when i buy a lo-fi all stars albumon CD? am i raping
their good name?

hooray!! first post!!! (after reading your crazy crazy banter for about 2
months)
  (how appropriate that it was completely off topic.)
	--kevin
whipp it good!!(*wuh-pish!*)

On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Michelle Akerman wrote:

> 
> hey sinisterines,
> 	Just a quick question: what is Lo-fi music?  I've heard a few of my fave 
> bands/artists referred to as lo-fi, but I don't know what it means.  I 
> know, I know, I'm so un-hip.  Thanks in advance for your answers.
> 	-Michelle
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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  1 18:42:49 1999
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 18:42:49 +0000
Subject: Sinister: HOW TO VOTE FOR BELLE & SEBASTIAN IN THE BRIT AWARDS!!!
Message-ID: <36B5F5A9.74B877CB@jeepster.co.uk>


Hi everyone ... (i'm excited ... can you tell?)

OK, here's the lowdown - 

to vote for Belle & Sebastian as the "Best Newcomer" in this years Brit
Awards, just ring

08700 100 100 (if dialling from outside the UK, please omit the first 0
and replace with 44 for the UK ie - your dialling code 44 8700 100 100)

and after a while when Dave Pearce starts talking he'll tell you what
frequency you can get Radio One on in your area and then tell you to
press "1" for a list of options, you want to register a vote, so press
"5" and then to vote for Belle & Sebastian, press "2"

if you're trying to save your phone bill, just dial the number and then
hit "1" "5" "2" in succession and you will have voted mega fast!

OR vote @ radio one's website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/reception/britsvote.shtml

and give them all your details, it's that easy :)

THANK YOU!!!!!! 

cheers,
Katrina + David


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From seyfert7 at xxx.com  Mon Feb  1 18:43:51 1999
From: seyfert7 at xxx.com (jesi bell)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:43:51 PST
Subject: Sinister: pet names
Message-ID: <19990201184351.591.qmail@hotmail.com>


I'll be quick if you'll be helpful.  Last night I received three 
precious little bunny rabbits, who would have been eaten if I didn't 
take them.  They're all rather nervous and look at me funny, like they 
wonder if I'm gonna eat 'em too.

My plea here is for some names.  They're all black and white, not that I 
want a colour related name, rather a cute name with a story behind it, 
so when someone asks their names, I can reply with more than larry , 
curly and moe.  So any suggestions would be brilliant.  I'm counting on 
the superior,shy and creative sinister minds to give my bunnies names 
they'll like.

Some quick replies while I'm here.  I kept reading the Fraggle Rock 
discussions with a bit of fear.  I was mixing up childhood memories of 
the Muppet Show with the Fraggles.  I don't know 'bout you lot, but that 
crazy chef who ran around yelling and throwing plastic chickens and had 
that beaker-ing side kick, always scared the...****....out of me.  

And if I had to pick a new list crush right now, it'd be Brandt.  I 
couldn't tell you why, cause I've got a really bad memory, but his posts 
made me smile, and anyone who can do that has a warm fuzzy spot in my 
heart.  For whatever reason....

And to go back a bit, Alisa posted about falling in love with someone, 
but not "the one".  I've come to the conclusion in my twenty years of 
existence, that I'll never find my "one".  If you think about it, how 
likely is it in a world of 6 billion souls, that you'll find the one 
that you're meant to be with?  And that that one soul will be plopped 
down in some city that you happen to live in or visit? 

 I don't really know what I'm saying here.  Settle for love?  It's 
better than being alone?  I don't think I will.  I'll hold out till the 
day of my death for the chance to meet my "one".  *sigh*

Nuf said.....

cheers

lee

 *do something pretty while you can, don't fall asleep...*



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From bajsjan at xxx.com  Mon Feb  1 19:14:39 1999
From: bajsjan at xxx.com (jan thorneus)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:14:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: woohoo! the sun is baack!
Message-ID: <19990201191439.18930.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com>




hi.

wooho! at last the sun came back to the town were i live, we havent
had any sun at all since december 9, and yesterday it returned.
I've been spending the weekend making funny looking snow sculptures
and spraying them green and all sorts of colours.
On friday i played live with my band, and it was really fun cus the
place was crowded, and we played a cover of lazy line painter jane,
and it really rawked.

Some more self promotion:
I have realesed my own debut album last.The album is called: "This is
a high quality recording", and its recorded in my garage with my own
four-tracker.
If anyone wants it, just e-mail me.

Im sorry for the self-obsession.

Bye.

Jan.





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From cairns at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  1 16:05:09 1999
From: cairns at xxx.uk (Joe Cairns)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:05:09 +0000
Subject: Sinister: In a small house in Paris, that was covered in vines
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990201160509.007b4920@127.0.0.1>



It would be easy not to get grouchy about the quality of the posts lately,
if all the like-minded Doozer-loving, geekrock persons on the list could
help us out of a spot...

Down here in the big Smog, we've been regressing into childhood, and
today's brief is to find out what twelve-year olds do. To sum up, in a
sentence or two, to find out what people did in those last years of golden
weather.

Problem is, all the pre-pubescents I know are way back Up North *sniffs*,
and my powers of imagination are letting me down, and my own recall is too
blurred up with received experience to tell the truth.

Frankly, the boss laughed at us when we handed in the likes of:

"When I was twelve I rode around on my bike, killing cats, and selling them
to the Chinese takeaway"

and

"I never had any friends like the ones I had when I was twelve years old.
One day, we set out to see the body of a dead kid..."

So this is a bit of a plea, but also a *coughs* fun competition:

All the delightful listees who've been clogging up our heads with little
diary extracts, could you please divert your creative energies my way, and
mail ME (NOT the list!!) with a few lines about something you did when you
were twelve??

It could be that you were a majorette, or ornithologist, or went on Jim'll
Fix It, as long as its witty, charming and concise.

All efforts will be gratefully received, and the person who sends in the
best will scoop an extravagant (as yet unconfirmed) prize.

Once again, if you're feelin' nostalgic, or particularly twee, do a workshy
fop a good turn and help us out with our homework.

yours graciously,
Joe  xxx




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From kenny at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  1 19:59:49 1999
From: kenny at xxx.uk (jake)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:59:49 -0000
Subject: Sinister: smug git with looper cds alert
Message-ID: <199902012000.UAA16804@mailhost.dircon.co.uk>


Hi there all,

I'm sitting here on the pooter with the new looper cd on! Yeah! (before you
ask, i got it from the distribution company, no there not going to give you
one, and no i'm not going to copy it) Just wanted to boast, and say how
good it is.

Shock horror! Looper in good release shock!

Well not a shock really, impossible things is great, and there is an even
better version on the album, and all you fans of the b&s sleeve notes will
be relieved to know there are a few lines by stuart on the single, and a
page by karn on the album. 

But don't worry i'm not going to bore you with a review of the album or
single just now, but i will that the ChrisGeddes/AndySymington remix of the
single is the most grooovey sixties tastic dance track i've heard in yonks,
and there is tonnes of different stuff on the album. Lots of spoken word
stuff and there is "quiet and small..." which has StuartD singing on it,
kinda like PaperBoat but even more mushy.......

"What's fur ye will no go by ye"

it's lost on me too.........

seeya
jake
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From caleb.rudd at xxx.net  Mon Feb  1 18:37:21 1999
From: caleb.rudd at xxx.net (Caleb Rudd)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 18:37:21
Subject: Sinister: You all sparkle (in my eyes)
Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.19990201183721.28cfc324@mail.virgin.net>


hiho all

Let's jump straight into it, shall we?

Silverchair

I had hoped that I would escape their omnipresent derivitive Pearl
Jam/Stone Temple Pilots/Alice in Chains whining over here, but it appears
not. They've probably passed puberty by now, but I doubt their music has.
As another listee pointed out, don't do it if at all possible Vicky. 

(What's the) My Life Story?

To those enquiring to the whereabouts of Jake and his sparkly cohorts:
after being dropped from Parlophone (after the reissue of Mornington
Cresent last year) they aligned themselves with another label, which one
I'm not sure, but I think it's an independant, and will have a single out
in May with an album following. Expect an interview with Mr. Shillingford
in Papercuts and Chester around that time. Jake was at the Uncle Bob's
Wedding reception club on NYE where the following conversation with my
flatmate and scary Australian Taylor took place (Taylor - smoozing with
Simon Price and slurring her words - "I want another scotch and coke", Jake
"You want a scotch and what? Choke?" [jokingly strangles her]. Her, having
recovered (and not knowing who he was)"What do you do", "I'm in a band",
"Are you famous", Simon Price laughing "Not really!"). Another M band,
Menswear,  will have a single out soon, also independantly. This Byrds
sounding song can also be heard on the Good Mixer's jukebox, usually around
the same time John Dean or Stuart are boozing inside. Coincidence or not? I
think we all know the answer to that one.

Boo Radleys split?

Someone on another list forwarded a post from a message board by Brave
Captain saying they've called it a day. Bugger. One of the bands I really
wanted to see over here and they go and split up. I suppose the main reason
is that Kingsize sold about, what? about 10 copies? But then they did no
press or concerts (bar one at Virgin or HMV) to promote it, so they have to
shoulder some of the blame.

Other guff

Tricia asked about a britpop list. I used to be on uk-indie (go to
www.onelist.com) and probably should resub. It can be very good, as it has
a small core of regular and opinionated posters. Tag mentioned Billie, who
I had a rather strange dream about last night. In it, someone from her
record company contacted me with an offer for interviewing her for
Papercuts. I think it it was suggested via email or fax but finally it was
face-to-face, at which point the dream took on a sexual nature. Ahem.

For a laugh, various photos including some of Sinister listees (well
Katrina, Mr. and Mrs. Warrander and, erm, me) and My Life Story and Polak
can be found at

http://www.darkshadow.com/chester/articles/travel

x Caleb

PS Stan and Tam? Well I laughed. Beats Rraggled Fock pants down.

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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Tue Feb  2 02:56:40 1999
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:56:40 EST
Subject: Sinister: new looper
Message-ID: <92ebbb2e.36b66968@aol.com>



In a message dated 99-02-01 15:09:21 EST, you write:

> Hi there all,
>  
>  I'm sitting here on the pooter with the new looper cd on! Yeah! (before you
>  ask, i got it from the distribution company, no there not going to give you
>  one, and no i'm not going to copy it) Just wanted to boast, and say how
>  good it is.
>  


Well, pooh on you -- boast wasted!  Nothing special in having it -- I've had
it for a couple of weeks and I'm NOBODY, so there, ha. :)  Well, ok ... I've
had a tape.  But still.  (The Duke's mom got it for him at the baby shower
before he was born.)

And it's wonderful!!... every bit of it.   It's got dance-around songs, and
sweet songs, typewriter noises and scratchy hissy noises... it's just great.
You will all be surprised and pleased no end...  and buy three of them, just
because you can.



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From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com  Tue Feb  2 02:57:37 1999
From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:57:37 EST
Subject: Sinister: one Palace 7" (a/k/a Bonnie 'Prince' Billy) is on CD
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<<two disapointments: One With The Birds and Southside of The World arent

on the album, too short MORE DAMNIT I NEED MORE

i should check to see if the 7" with those songs is on cd, i get tired

of starting the 7" over and over again

though i do feel kinda special having those amazing songs>>

There is a 7 song ep out of the UK on the Domino label on CD that includes the
first BPB 7" plus five unreleased songs.

BTW... My ears are already itchin' for another B&S single.

Pete

P.S.  Anyone into the Mutantes???
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From Snowinsumr at xxx.com  Tue Feb  2 03:06:20 1999
From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:06:20 EST
Subject: Sinister: "...she was the birthday girl..."
Message-ID: <d8ad3f33.36b66bac@aol.com>


dear "sensitive and shy" diary...

my birthday is april fifteenth...that means that i should put away some of my
gift money to buy the 'tigermilk' album in may...i cannot wait...my tape is
almost worn right through...my favorite song at the moment from bellie and
'bastian is "pocketbook angel"...i am quite taken with the line, "i had a job
in an office once, i never talked to anyone...all i ever do is sit
around"...how terribly sad...how terribly true...diary, does everyone cry
everytime they listen to mojave3's new album or is it only me?...i think that
mojave3, mercury rev and the rachels have been manipulating my cd player
lately...i don't really mind, though...they have such pretty songs...

nitey-nite...
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From jordi-tv at xxx.com  Tue Feb  2 05:40:00 1999
From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 06:40:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: En un barri tan petit, no hi queda res a fer...
Message-ID: <19990202084000.HM.00000000000B5n6@mixmail.com>


....the catalan translation for "In a town so small, there�s 
nothing left to do...". Forgive me for the lack of B&S con
tent, but does anybody know when the New Order�s box set is 
going to be released ? how many Cd�S will it have ?
   I�ve had the flu during all of this past weekend, even on 
saturday, my birthday date. I just wanted to share my anger. 

Take care.

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Jordiet

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From sillas_luap at xxx.com  Tue Feb  2 09:34:44 1999
From: sillas_luap at xxx.com (paul sallis)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 01:34:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake: tragic beauty.
Message-ID: <19990202093444.14325.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>


Hello sin'sters,
   this is my first onslaught of dirge since stumbling upon your
sweet'n'cuddly list last week, and gladness is mine, as without it I
probably would have missed the (folk)rockumentry on Nick Drake (which
would have caused a lengthy period of wanton lonliness and aimless
meandering across this barren sphere...etc etc you get the picture.)

Anyways, I'd better spill some info your way I suppose:
I've been an avid Belle & Sebastian fan for two years or so (since
hearing em on a Peel session, and subsequently purchasing 'Dog on
Wheels'). I have yet to discover exactly why I love their musings, I
tried to put a finger on it once, but it moved.

I listen to music too much, I read too much, I think too much. <--
pretty much sums me up.

Thanks for letting me waste your time, and I hope I didn't flaunt too
many unwritten laws of the list junkies.

Au revoir!

ps  Anyone else catch the Drake thing?
pps If so, can you believe how sketchy they were on putting across
some of the vital points of his (short) life?

==
- 'As I traced the form of the pebbles beneath my feet,'
- 'I looked behind and I saw this one so sweet.'
- 'She came to me and I saw in her eyes,'
- 'the heavy toll of a thousand sighs.'
- 'It was then I met my princess of the sand.'
(Nick Drake: Strange Meeting II.)
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From NeilD at xxx.uk  Tue Feb  2 10:31:05 1999
From: NeilD at xxx.uk (Neil Dewhurst)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:31:05 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: Sinister, answer me thus.
Message-ID: <704AE307AB53D2119EE300805F7DF75511173D@NCMSERVER>


"You've been away too long, it's lonely when you are gone" is probably not
what you're all thinking, but spare a thought for me today on my first post
in almost two months.

It's a sad post.

(Cue music sung in a version of Romeo and Juliet and used famously by a big
bearded DJ)

In the space of two hours I have learnt that the interview I was to have
this lunchtime for a new job (I'm hoping to leave my running wheel at last)
has been rearranged to tomorrow, I have woken with a start to realise that I
was late for work (which is the price one pays for playing playstation games
until 3.30 am) I have been told about last nights lovely Nick Drake
documentary (or folkumentary perhaps?) and I have found out the the Boos
have split.  Boo Forever!  Boo UP!

Still, my day could be cheered in many ways.

*	With a balloon (nobody can be uncheered with a balloon)
*	By some kind sinistrome being able to provide me with a copy of the
Nick Drake programme (I am with tape)
*	Or by someone knowing of large rooms with double beds going for
around £300 a month in the North or West London areas, as I am also being
forced to don my old kit bag and smile, as I pack up my troubles.  My
landlady has decided to sell her house.

Oh, and someone said how wonderful IKWTSG is.  And they were right.  I won't
incur wrath by posting the "best of 98" tape I have made myself, suffice to
say that two B&S songs made it onto the final cut (dispute the one song per
band rule) - one was about summer, and one was a rather unsavoury number
about a small child with a sex aid.

Thanks for listening, folks.


Neil
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From thunderw at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  1 22:59:32 1999
From: thunderw at xxx.uk (James)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:59:32 -0000
Subject: Sinister: evan
Message-ID: <E107dGG-0003Kj-00@sand2.global.net.uk>


Evan wrote

> well i have no list crushes so im gonna either become a scorned lesbian
> screaming girl power type stuff or change my name to sensitive evan then
> people will love me

Hey Evan, you're a girl? Sorry am I being horribly rude, its just I'd
assumed you were a boy cos of your name. I don't pay enough attention to
the list and I don't know people all that well. See since you replied
passionately to my Will Oldham stuff  I thought hey, I'll have a list crush
on you sweet Evan. But if you're a girl......well I'll just give you the
option, that's all.

Molly 

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From Mark at xxx.com  Tue Feb  2 10:35:39 1999
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:35:39 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: The Omen IV is a 15 certificate
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In my wide-eyed, drooling keenness to see the magnificence that is
L!O!O!P!E!R! at Rough Trade (which most Lahndoners will know is extremely
wee), I gave them a call (apologies if anyone else has already done this and
posted about it, but I'm a digestive these days) and they said that it was
actually March 9th (a week before my birthday :)) when the band were going
to play. The woman I spoke to also said that March 9th was a Monday, which
it ain't, but the implication was that it would take place on the day of the
album's release. So I'm a bit confused really - if anyone else (Gerard, if
you're back on the list, give us a call) knows anything more concrete,
please post it or write to me privately as I'd *love* to swoon at the feet
of Stuart David as soon as possible...bet it's during work hours, though :(

She did also add that it would have to be a ticket-only do (no charge, but
tickets to prevent a riot breaking out on the streets of W11, I suppose) -
the Rough Trade shop phone number is 0171 229 8541, and she suggested I call
back in a week.

My favourite Looper song is "Elvis".
My favourite Huey Lewis and the News song is their cover of Queen's "Get
Down Make Love".

I'll get me coat.
Markx
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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Tue Feb  2 11:51:31 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:51:31 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: the lowest tolls of smut ever
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9902021135530.11709-100000@granby>




Dear sinisterines:


After our glorious 99 starting, the posts have somehow faded away and this
is not the way it was. I am starting to speak as my dad, and only 25,
mmmm,worrying...

I cannot even begin my message with some polemic argument , as I totally
agree with Charlotte about sensitive boyfriends, bad stuff, always bad,
and with someone else whose name I don't remember (-> literary quote in
Shakespeare in Love style, if someone catches it...)about that it would be
so exciting if every day in our lives had a Belle and Sebastian songlyric
as script. I want 'My wandering years are over', for example. I would die
for a kinda Michelle Pfeiffer in The Fabulous Baker Boys performance in a
piano bar full of bored executives after some conference where Japanese
hours d ouvres are offered in tries, and then , the 'One' just
turns up there and decides to change his life on the road to grow
old by my side...Could he be Jeremy Irons,please?

No Looper song have I heard yet, so I feel a bit marginalised in all this
zeal about their gig at Rough Trade.No Salako either, but I will do my
best to listen tomorrow that Peel Session.

As my subject says, we are reaching negative values of smutty content and
here I am ,dear diary, to tell you my experiences in that field...I was
looking for my lost glasses yesterday evening, and when I risked myself
into searching under my wardrobe, what I found but no glasses, a yellow,
tacky book titled 'How to masturbate women', all Russ Meyer's graphic
design, 200 coloured pictures, obviously 70's . As we are 3 girls in my
house and our landlord is a lovely Muslim father in his fifties who will
come today to collect our monthly payings,I felt totally forced to hide it
in the cellar, though one of my housemates regarded it as so disturbing
and sinful (it is, indeed!) that she said we should burn it...

It is better not to reflect upon the possible meanings of this story : I
lost my geeky glasses, I found a smutty manual. Has my life to change?
I need some spiritual advice!


I am all ears ... ( not literally, please!)

Arantxa



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From Tjonrr at xxx.com  Tue Feb  2 12:03:52 1999
From: Tjonrr at xxx.com (Tjonrr at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:03:52 EST
Subject: Sinister: nick drake documentary
Message-ID: <b400fe15.36b6e9a8@aol.com>


so i wish i hadnt bothered watching it now cause though theres these songs
which matter to you and say something to you things like this and the recent
biography only serve to remind you that their made by this well off public
schoolboy just about as far removed from you as possible. but i suppose it
doesnt matter really, i mean, chances are he was just this posh kid who liked
to portray himself as a tortured artist and who never really got out of the
morbid adolescent doom and gloom phase that most of us go through when we re
thirteen, and his luvvie friends make him out to be some etheral genius on a
level with the classic poets, but at the end of the day just listen to the
records cause at the end of the day its the songs that matter,yeah?
sorry if that doesnt make much sense, i mean, im trying to get it straight in
my head and im not very good with words, but im trying my best here.
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From cleonard at xxx.COM  Tue Feb  2 12:51:57 1999
From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:51:57 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Stuart Murdoch is lovely/Competition Time!!!!
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Alright my slender chums, how are you?  I'm very well thanks.  Miss
Julia and I have been in Amsterdam this weekend.  What a lovely place,
we saw Anne Frank's house and Rembrandt's house and quite a lot of
hardcore pornography and whores.   We didn't take any drugs though,
because drugs are bad for you.  Apart from Heroin, it's lovely.  Looking
forward to see some of you tomorrow at the Evie Sands shindig an that,
we should have a wee competition to see who can get a photo 
of Struan Murdoch eating a flake.  I bet the Melody Maker would pay a
packet for that.  I'm being silly kids, if any of you were evil enough
to try and make profit out of Murdoch's camera shyness I'd bet Katrina
would kill you with a skilful toss of her boomerang.  Accurate across
oceans, she is.

Competition Time.   Ascii Murdoch!  Take a standard murdoch and ascii it
funny style.   Then send it to me.  The winner gets to be very proud.
We need ascii murdoch!  If any of these look funny on your screen, and
If you can be arsed, rearrange them till they work.  Or change the font
to courier or something.  You'll know when you're right.

Standard Murdoch

"""""
(o o)
| ¬ |
 \~/	

Brad Murdoch (Look at the sarcasm in his eyes!)

  """""
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"""""""""
""(~ ~)""
""| ¬ |""
   \-/	

Darth Murdoch

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Hmm.  Think you can do better?  Mail me, not the list.





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From mart at xxx.uk  Tue Feb  2 13:18:28 1999
From: mart at xxx.uk (Martin Horsfield)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:18:28 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Who can you trust?
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In the spirit of caring and sharing (rather than naming and shaming,
which is often as much fun), I think Arantxa's chosen solution to her
wee problem is pretty, erm, logical. We've all been in vulnerable
positions like that (boys as well as girls, me just twice so far) when
instead of obsessing on the ramifications of the book/villain/whatever,
it would be better to know how to avoid situations like that in the
future. Girls generally are more streetwise than boys, but boys as we
know will often try to take all the credit for everything. In the wise
words of Preston's Kaleida, it's a case of 'Knowing Who Your Friends
Are'. If you wanna see some more, go to

http://www.members.tripod.com/~the_embankment

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"Why don't you just say it... without me having to want you to" - Matinee, Just
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From evanbear at xxx.com  Tue Feb  2 15:04:45 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:04:45 -0500
Subject: Sinister: evan
References: <E107dGG-0003Kj-00@sand2.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <36B71409.D5CE1811@javanet.com>


me no girl i just act like one sometimes
so crush away hehe
if ya want proof i have a couple pics in the photo album thing on the
sinister page
neither of them are very good pics but you can tell my gender i think
people do sometimes think im a girl cause i listen to chicky music like
True Love Always, secret stars, edith frost, geraldine fibers, etc etc
etc
anyway....
cant think of anything else to say

oh the other day someone was playing TBWTAS in the coffe shop that
usually plays cheesy faux folk or funk or loud hip hop or techno or
hardcore (what the hell is up with that? one is sposed to play quiet
music in coffee shops right? there's a bookstore in town where they play
techno, :::shiver:::) guess i should go there in the morning more often
-----Ev
np-Lucksmiths-Good Kind Of Nervous (one the best pop bassists ive heard)

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I would feel much better
If I knew you got this letter
'Cause the road that lays between us
Is one week long
And I don't have the bread
To come and see you now
---"Letter To Bread"-- Scud Mtn. Boys

my home page:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/dixiecluck

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From keith at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  1 16:10:43 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:10:43 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Evie Sands
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OK people, it's looking like the meet up after the Evie Sands gig is going
to be at the Clyde Street 13th Note.

See you all there.

Cheers,
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From JMoorkens at xxx.ie  Tue Feb  2 17:15:57 1999
From: JMoorkens at xxx.ie (Joss Moorkens)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:15:57 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: sweet music and airborne irishfolk
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Hey fellers.

So I went to see Will Oldham in Dublin last week. The gentleman was
tremendous. On the first night, it was all gentle and songy. Then on the
second night Will was clearly fucked up on wowee sauce. Loads of whooping
and hollering and noisy bits. Loads of songs from 'Joya'.  Both nights were
great and almost no songs were repeated - always a good thing. Afterwards we
hung around in the hallowed confines of the band room since my pal Joan of
Arse was supporting. I said hello cos I'd put on Will's first couple gigs in
Dublin. Naturally he didn't recognise me at all, but he did point out that
he could see 4 of me and gave me whiskey which made me ill. Then he tried to
chat up my ex girlfriend. Anyways, my point had been that I can heartily
recommend going to one of these Bonnie Prince Billy gigs in addition to the
fine new LP. 

I'm all excited today, because tomorrow my floppy haired flatmate and I jet
off to Glasgow to see this Evie Sands spectacular. I was near Glasgow once
before for a fishing tackle exhibition, but I didn't see any members of
Dawson, Belle and Sebastian or Del Amitri. An error which I expect to see
rectified this time around. Not only that, but Looper gigs in Dublin. This
is a good thing. Just hope it isn't in the Mean Fiddler. Although this here
beggar wouldn't dream of attempting to impersonate a chooser.
Cheerio
Joss (who hasn't heard the Looper LP but is perfectly willing to wait)

PS Is it just my childish humour, or would it be more amusing if the Tag &
Keith boy band were called Woodz? 

I thought so.
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From e.brown at xxx.com  Tue Feb  2 17:23:27 1999
From: e.brown at xxx.com (Emanuel Brown)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:23:27 -0000
Subject: Sinister: sensitive smut for the masses
Message-ID: <AHHOOFPIPAEHAAAA@shared2-mail.whowhere.com>


hey-lo

my, my  aren't we all so sensitive these days! we should all give ourselves a big pat on the ass. hurrah for our team! 

where are the stans of yore (sensitive and sleazy) who left much laughter and indignation in their wake? not being one to pay too close attention, i didn't notice if they happened to be from the same address. a little well placed schizophrenia can brighten up any dreary old music list, i think, tho' there may be those who'd disagree.

of course no woman in her right mind would want a "sensitive stan" and the reasons already stated are perfectly sound. as one friend told me after a disastrous relationship with one such sensitivian, "...in the back of my mind, i wondered whether or not he wasn't just gay-in-the-closet or at least some kind of momma's boy." that may not be sound logic, but at least its honest. it sure is nice to hold hands and cuddle but what happens when you need a little more than that? what will sensitive stan do then? curl up in the fetal position and cry, i'll bet, and i'll cry with him. 'cause its a shame that its easier to accept repressive gender roles instead of trying to find connections that will fulfill our little lives. 
so, ladies of the list: what kind of man do you want?

real b&s content: finally, fleshed out my b&s vinyl collection. all i need is tigermilk and my nefarious plan will be complete! (180 gram vinyl rocks)
thanks to a few friends and i, belle & sebastian are a frequent request at my local brooklyn lounge with "stars of track & field" and "sleep the clock around" being two faves. 

is sebastian still with us? if so thanks pal, "american water" is soooo amazing.

hey arantxa, i'm amazed that you would have us believe that you've buried your little artifact away, feigning shock at its gaudiness, when we all know you're tucked away at night secretly scanning its dusty pages for smutty revelations. or maybe you're just upset that you can't read it properly without your glasses. 

ttfn
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Tue Feb  2 19:06:59 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:06:59 +0000
Subject: Sinister: This was the last thing on my mind! Woooahoahfozsujdkfiosdoaidiaa etc.
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TOP BANANA!!

Looper pay Manchester on March the 10th! Alright, is this evening or
day? In Preston the instores are during the day, but I don't know about
"the big smoke"! Because on that day I am suposed to go to a TEMATICAS!
day at Manchester University - and if Looper are playing during the day
I'll have to jack it in! Whas more important eh - learning lots of silly
chiz in Spanish - or SEEING LOOOOOOOOOOOPER?

Arantxa! Oh my golly you must hear Looper. I'll do you a marvellous
LOOOOOPER megamix. OK, so I only have 2 LOOOOOOOOPER songs, but you can
have those and for the rest, I'll do a marvellous Welsh Pop mix. Can I
read "How to masturbate women" as well please? Um, just for....research.
Yeah, thats it. Honest.

I've updated my website....with JAVASCRIPT! Thanks Andy for helping me
when I got stuck! And I did ALL my Javascript MYSELF! I didn't nick
them, or get them from any free JavaScripts place, I DID THEM! IT WAS
ME!!!!!!!!!! It's so briliant! I had a day off college and I spent it
learning Javascript..... um..... dearie me. Go and have a look! Any
feedback would be groovey so either mail me! or leave a comment in my
guestbook. It's got JAVASCRIPT MAN!

Jakes heard the Looper album. So what? I've heard Stuart fart and not a
lot of people have heard that eh. Then again, judging from the noise of
it probably a lot of you have, so nevermindthen.

Did I mention I joined the Steps mail list?!
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
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From eliam at xxx.edu  Tue Feb  2 19:17:58 1999
From: eliam at xxx.edu (Marie Elia)
Date: Tue,  2 Feb 99 14:17:58 -0500
Subject: Sinister: colour my world with the chaos of trouble
Message-ID: <199902021909.OAA28917@pellns.alleg.edu>


okay sinisterites...

i tried to post this yesterday, but the list rejected it on account  
of some mixup with my email address, and i got an automated message  
about my illegality...  now i've only posted once ever, being  
intimidated by all the witty words sprinkled about on this list, and  
i thought, are they going to send me to the sinister nursery??  so  
i emailed honey and things were set right...  i am forever grateful,  
and happy to be sinister again, and now i will tell you what i  
meant to say...

[tentatively venturing into the sinister world -- be nice!]

 kimmy (a more vocal listee) made me promise to write and say that we  
spent the other night in our campus coffeehouse (we're volunteer  
workers!) coloring pictures torn out of coloring books with lovely  
crayola crayons, in between making coffees and hot chocolates and  
teas for people.  i colored a picture of a bus for her -- it is  
purple even though buses don't usually come in purple.  they should.  
 oh, yes, and we made the coffeehouse patrons listen to TBWTAS and  
a
tindersticks album, which i think makes perfect coffeehouse music.   
well, perhaps Rachel's makes for very good  
music-to-drink-coffee-by, too, but alas...

anyway, here's to hoping this post goes through, and i hope all you  
kids have a fab time at the evie sands gig/meetup!

take care,
xoxo,
marie


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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Tue Feb  2 19:24:22 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:24:22 EST
Subject: Sinister: colour my world with the chaos of trouble
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I hate to show my ignorance so horribly.. but I must, as curiousity gets the
best of me. What does "twee" mean? I've heard it used many times now and just
don't grasp the meaning. I think it means a sort of music but don't know what
kind. Compliment or no? 

            sorry to clutter up the list

                                     dave (apologetic smile)
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Tue Feb  2 19:28:57 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:28:57 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Site Address
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Alright, 

thought you might want to know the address of my site as well.

http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk/

DOh! Sorry for multiple posting PENANCE by listening to the Peugot 206
advert for 34 hours....ARGH!
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
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From lost_madflowr at xxx.com  Tue Feb  2 20:24:02 1999
From: lost_madflowr at xxx.com (lost madflowr)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:24:02 PST
Subject: Sinister: Sinisterites in DC/VA/MD?
Message-ID: <19990202202402.13999.qmail@hotmail.com>


well this has nothing to do with the sinisterites in 
NYC post so i decided to change the topic to dc/va/md...
just wondering if there are any more cos i know that 
there are ppl in dc at least that lurve b+s but are
you on the list? :) anyhow, i met kara star and she 
was quite nice and she is/was on the list and now she
is at school in Scotland i do believe. goodness. okay.
no more filling your mailboxes. just felt like being
more direct in asking. and if you are in the area and
happen to be going to SLOAN at the black cat this sat
i believe...then tell me. nice. nice. very nice.


evolmadflowr

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From alix.campbell at xxx.net  Tue Feb  2 21:42:07 1999
From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:42:07 -0000
Subject: Sinister: BEHIND THE LAYERS OF THE OIGNON LAYS A HEN
Message-ID: <007a01be4ef4$f5d1b2a0$b43ca8c2@big-comp>


hello sweeties

i have just converted my jeans into flares and it has gone horribly wrong.
they look absurd. the problem is they're my only pair of trousers without
risque holes in, and i have to wear them to work tomorrow. i am a fule. it
seemed such an
easy thing to do, but proved mighty tough. i ought to have taken textiles.
it would have been a darned sight more handy than graphics. and i'd know how
to work a sewing machine without breaking it. i am stuck
with trousers that look stupid now. like baggy gone even wronger than it
went anyway.

and i missed that nick drake thingy last night. i went to bed at 8.45
accompanied by a migraine.

today however has been great fun. that was a lie. i took the train to
bicester, (pronounced 'bister'. or 'hell', if you like to keep your syllable
output to a minimum), simply because i haven't been to bicester in years. it
served only to remind me why i had stayed away that long. they didn't have
any bellendsebastian in woolworths, just steps. tragedy indeed. but they did
have barbie tablecloths. i stared at those for a while, before thinking
'pull yerself together, lad'. i wandered back to the station about 1/2 hour
before my train left, out of boredom, went to a garage to buy something to
read, couldn't find anything, save shit girly stuff, so i opted for 'minx',
because it was £2 and i admired its no nonsense price. if it had been, say,
£1.95, i would have left it on the shelf. having now perused it, i must say
i did find the article on 'the lies men tell' so interesting that i was
forced to fall asleep. likewise the 'what kind of girl are you?' piece. i
was most disappointed to find i wasn't any of the types listed. does this
mean i'm not a girl? i so wanted to be 'ambitious girl' (um, i'm joking).
anyway, the moral of this story is don't go to bicester. and don't buy
magazines for women. and don't even attempt anything involving sewing
machines.

that's all really.

loads of love  ~

~ Cratylus



'I WANT to break the HEAD OFF, I want a toy that ROCKS, because SANTA bought
a multitude and I'm playing with the box. There won't be any SUNSHINE, there
won't be any RAIN. IS IT IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO CONTRIBUTE to everything again?'


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From Snowinsumr at xxx.com  Tue Feb  2 21:43:14 1999
From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:43:14 EST
Subject: Sinister: a sensitive man is a brilliant man...and he apparently doesn't live in michigan.
Message-ID: <c3b920b3.36b77172@aol.com>


dear "simply filled with goodness" diary...

emanuel asked recently:

>>so, ladies of the list: what kind of man do you want?<<

i suppose it would be nice to have a combination of a lot of factors...
a sincere smile...
bright eyes...eyes that you can lose yourself in...
a soft voice...a voice that knows how to pronunciate words correctly and
clearly...
a poetic mind...a mind mixed of stuart murdoch, morrissey, nick drake and neil
tennant... 
i suppose i would rather like if they had the sexual politics of Jarvis Cocker
:::blush:::
someone who is not afraid to be sensitive...
someone that i can read to in the late hours of the evening...
someone who likes to cuddle...
and...someone who probably doesn't exist...i think that is a better way to
write it...

anyway...i am very much looking forward to the looper cd...i am terribly
excited...i wonder if there are any michigan belle and sebastian fans on this
list...when they come around here next i think it would be lovely to meet up
with some people...and maybe i have seen some of these "listees" at other
shows...i wonder if i will ever know...

love, 
m. elise
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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Tue Feb  2 23:32:00 1999
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:32:00 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight...
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On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 Tjonrr at aol.com wrote:

> so i wish i hadnt bothered watching it now cause though theres these songs
> which matter to you and say something to you things like this and the recent
> biography only serve to remind you that their made by this well off public
> schoolboy just about as far removed from you as possible.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see that as a problem. You can still
appreciate a song, if the writer wasn't like you. Are you saying I
shouldn't like B&S because I'm not a shy scotsman? Or that I shouldn't
like Pulp because I didn't go to art school? I think if a song says
something to you, at whatever level, you should keep that thought with
you, even if it wasn't intentional / sincere. And anyway, it's perfectly
normal to write songs from other people's perspectives - most of Stuart
Murdoch's most personal songs are written from a female perspective for
starters. The songs, the public image and the real person are three
completely different things...


On a completely unrelated note: every year, around this time, thousands of
students in Cambridge are paired up for blind dates, to raise money for
charity. Everyone who takes part has to fill in a form, and you get paired
up on the basis of the form, your looks (I'm onto a loser there then), and
how much you bribe the organisers (to charity of course). Now I'm not the
richest person in the world, so I need alternative ways of getting a
decent blind date. So if anyone can come up with amusing answers to any of
the following questions, I'd be very grateful... (is this an abuse of the
list? Probably, but the smut factor's been to low recently)

"Write a lonely hearts as for yourself"; "Write a lonely hearts ad for you
ideal date"; "Does size matter?"; "How do you eat your Cadbury's cream
egg?"; "Draw your favourite fruit/vegetable" and lastly "Detail you best
feature which will blow your date's trousers off"

Last year I got paired with a 5ft 3in women's rugby player, so let's hope
it goes a bit better this time...


Big Stu



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From samiamx at xxx.com  Wed Feb  3 01:16:44 1999
From: samiamx at xxx.com (Sam Devere)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:16:44 PST
Subject: Sinister: Austin 
Message-ID: <19990203011644.1483.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hi everyone - 

I will be flying into Austin, TX for two days and was wondering if 
anyone can recommend bars/pubs/raves/indie music or clothing stores to 
visit while there.  

Hello to all the current and displaced DC people, Kim, Thaian, Andy, Pam 
and Damon.

Cheers...Sam

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From SPRFNK at xxx.com  Wed Feb  3 02:51:09 1999
From: SPRFNK at xxx.com (SPRFNK at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:51:09 EST
Subject: Sinister: sinister: olivia tremor control
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well i just thought  i would let people in the philly area know that olivia
tremor control and the music tapes are playing at a frat house called pilam
this friday
ok that is all
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From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:36:06 EST
Subject: Sinister: colour my world with the chaos of trouble
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I pass this url on to those interested in the phenomenon that is tweeness...
someone shared it with me when I wondered just what twee might mean.  I pass
no judgement on it, and request no debate on the list :)


http://student-server.uchicago.edu/users/jdkriege/tweep.htm
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From carrick44 at xxx.com  Wed Feb  3 05:18:03 1999
From: carrick44 at xxx.com (Carrick C Blair)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 00:18:03 EST
Subject: Sinister: Young Man's Blues
Message-ID: <19990202.232653.4591.0.carrick44@juno.com>


And one more thing about Modern Rock Song...

It should have been 'riding buses' instead of 
'writing songs'. It just sounds better. And maybe 
Mr. True would have been a bit nicer in his review.

And Keith...(and Tag)
Sorry, poor word choice on my part. I was feeling 
bit pissy, and when i'm in, or starting, a petty 
argument, I tend to overstate things. (and it was 
petula who made me laugh, not a jessica) 

And so to my story about 16 year olds, The WHO, B&S....
(Erase now if your easily bored.)

You ever see someone or maybe what seems to be a 
small group of someones who like to stick together and 
think to yourself, "I wonder if they like B&S?" or "I wonder if 
they even know about B&S? Maybe I should do something 
about it. Like slip them a tape or something." For some 
reason this only happens with 16 year old girls for me. 

I see a girl, and I think, "If she heard Expectations, 
than her life would be that much better and she would 
sure to go on to do many great and wondrous 
things..."

You're a star and you'll go far.

Well there was this girl from North Salem. I was working 
in her neighborhood checking peoples wells for some 
reason too complicated to go into. This whole thing lasted 
a few weeks. A few days into the job I'm checking this well, and 
I see this girl getting off the school bus. All clunky shoes, nice 
haircut and one of those "Manhattan" bags. If this was lower 
Manhattan, I probably wouldn't have noticed, but here on the 
edges of rural suburbia I took notice. Where did SHE come 
from? 

I have this weakness for the stranded hipsters in the country.
Small town isolation, walks along the railroad tracks, swimming 
in the reservoir, long lonely nights spent in your room...The 
Smiths, etc. And I have a weakness for the whole teenage 
experience. Something gnawing at me about it, like I didn't 
take full advantage of it. 

I'm trying to make this short, so let's see...
I keep running into her over the next few weeks. I run into her 
having pizza with her dad. The next day she's outside making 
movies with her friends. A few of them are wearing those 
Afghan head things that some of the kids on the IFYS artwork 
are wearing. These guys must be shown the wonder and 
beauty of B&S. Every time I check her house, I always whistle
B&S, or sometimes sing "she's a honey with a following of 
innocent boys..."

Than New Years Eve day. I'm checking all the houses for the last 
time. I'm thinking, wouldn't it be weird if I saw her again. Kismet or 
something else I don't believe in. As I'm checking the neighbors' 
well, I see/hear this noisy old pontiac firebird pull into her drive 
and this rather awkward boy in a trench coat get out and go inside. 
She comes running out to get something out of her car and 
scurries back. I'm about to leave her place when her father 
comes out to have a chat about underground water levels, 
well drilling, etc. He's a geologist, you see. And out she comes
with her date, that awkward looking boy in a trenchcoat. This 
all makes me very happy for some reason. At least its not 
A "Jordan K..." type. (like from My So Called Life)

I get back in my car and watch them pull out for their night of 
fun. I turn on the radio and out of reflex I just turn it all the way up.
Its The WHO - Young Man's Blues from Live at Leeds. 
So perfect I almost cried.

At the moment all I wanted was to be 16 (or maybe 17) 
and own a old noisy firebird and live in North Salem. With 
a Belle and Sebastian sticker on the back of my car. Or 
maybe a WHO one.  (Instead of TOOL. Poor girl.)

I go home to see Shilough and Larissa have arrived at my 
house and have started a fire and wine bottles are open 
and the stilton and grapes are out. Van Morrison is playing 
on the stereo, and life at 25 starts to feel good again. 
Some of you may remember Shilough and Larissa from 
my Boston/Philly concert stories. Did I mention they got 
engaged?  Now the whole world knows.

So should I send the poor girl a tape?
She probably think I'm some sort of freak.

Wishing my computer cd player had more bass, so that 
this More Rockers CD would sound better. drumntreble.

Carrick


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From kshank at xxx.net  Wed Feb  3 05:59:38 1999
From: kshank at xxx.net (Ketan Shankardass)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 00:59:38 -0500
Subject: Sinister: fox in the snow...causing an auto collision
References: <19990202202402.13999.qmail@hotmail.com>
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hey-lo,

    long time listener, first time poster...

    first off let me mention that i'm canadian...that should explain my
inherent awkwardness towards all things cool.  anyways, i had a very
happy B&S experience today with one of my professors (i go to mcmaster
uni)...he quoted nick drake in our outdoor environmental ed. class and
so, after class, I told him that if he liked nicky's work that he should
check out b&s...well, this prof was so happy that someone else knew
about nick drake that he vowed to follow up on my suggestion and check
out a few b&s tracks...yay!  one down, 6 billion to go, i suppose...

    did someone mention the word "sloan" (yes evolmadflowr in dc...i
believe you did!)  whopppeee!!!  Sloan rock...i don't even particularly
like modern rock 'n roll (i.e. anything with an electric guitar made
after 1980, excluding spiritualized et al....phew!) but i get so happy
and bouncy when a sloan tune comes on...they make me feel all b&s-ey
inside.  i hear they are majestic live...

     i went to see a super movie the other day called "a simple plan".
it's got well developed
characters, lots of tension and very questionable morals...it looks at
the downfall that a group of
chums endure after finding 4 million dollars...the whole thing was very
graphic but it had a beautifully sinister poetry to it that made me
think of oldies-but-goodies like "shallow grave".  plus, and this is the
best part, the story is set into it's tragic course by a cute little fox
who is, in fact, in the snow! he runs into the icey road being travelled
by our heroes and starts the virtual shakspearean tragedy on its way.
(yay, mr. fox!)

>Joss (who hasn't heard the Looper LP but is perfectly willing to wait)<

yes joss...i to am willing to wait...only for me it has to do with the
fact that i spend entirely too much on music and as a result am falt
broke...does anyone know what label this fine product may pop up on in
north america?  (have those plans been made as yet even?)...i work at my
campus radio station and have found that a kind phone call to a music
label can easily snatch me a current piece of music history...yay!!
  

 take care and write back soon...

    ketan

ps. a good friend of mine recently arrived at lancaster u. in england
for the term...anyone go there? (reply privately please!)

np. pull my strings - wagon christ

"i went for a walk around the block, with who?, my nuts,
 went all around the block, took no shortcuts"
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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Wed Feb  3 09:23:32 1999
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:23:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Virus warning. Well. not so much a warning as a threat
In-Reply-To: <c3b920b3.36b77172@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1332230903021999/A01911/ADVAX1/11D21A571900*@MHS>


VIRUS ALERT

If you receive an email entitled "Badtimes," delete it immediately.

Do not open it.  

Apparently this one is pretty nasty.

It will not only erase everything on your hard drive, but it will also
delete
anything on disks within 20 feet of your computer.

It demagnetizes the stripes on ALL of your credit cards.

It reprograms your ATM access code, screws up the tracking on your VCR
and
uses subspace field harmonics to scratch any CD's you attempt to play.

It will re-calibrate your refrigerator's coolness settings so all your
ice
cream melts and your milk curdles.

It will program your phone autodial to call only your mother-in-law's
number.

This virus will mix antifreeze into your fish tank.   It will drink
all your
beer.

It will leave dirty socks on the coffee table when you are expecting
company.

Its radioactive emissions will cause your toe jam and bellybutton fuzz
(be
honest, you have some) to migrate behind your ears.

It will replace your shampoo with Nair and your Nair with Rogaine, all
while
dating your current boy/girlfriend behind your back and billing their
hotel
rendezvous to your Visa card.

It will cause you to run with scissors and throw things in a way that
is only
fun until someone loses an eye.

It will give you Dutch Elm Disease and Tinea.

It will rewrite your backup files, changing all your active verbs to
passive
tense and incorporating undetectable misspellings which grossly change
the
interpretations of key sentences.

If the "Badtimes" message is opened in a Windows95 environment, it
will leave
the toilet seat up and leave your hair dryer plugged in dangerously
close to a
full bath tub.

It will not only remove the forbidden tags from your mattresses and
pillows,
but it will also refill your skim milk with whole milk.

It will replace all your luncheon meat with Spam.

It will molecularly rearrange your cologne or perfume, causing it to
smell
like dill pickles.

It is insidious and subtle.  It is dangerous and terrifying to behold.
 It is
also a rather interesting shade of mauve.  These are just a few signs
of
infection.


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From tourajsig2 at xxx.com  Wed Feb  3 10:50:45 1999
From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 02:50:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Chocolate Synthesizer
Message-ID: <19990203105045.17408.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com>


Hello playmates,

Once again I've elected to compensate for the lack of imagination and
wit in my posts by making extensive reference to Another End Of Year
Pollzzzzzz...  This time from that bastion of all things cutting-edge
and avant-bonkers, the Bible of Pan-Global Shrieking Cacophony, 'The
Wire'.

Of course, being 'The Wire', this is no
Mercuryrevcatatoniashovethemanicsintherenoonewilltwig affair - it's
all comically obscure esoterica - Min-Xiao Fen, anyone ?  Arnold
Dreyblatt's 'Nodal Excitation' ?  'Little Birds Have Fast Hearts' by
the Die Like A Dog Quartet ?  Never off the Dansette, that last one. 
Anyways, buried amongst all these unfathomable lists the mag gives
space to individual writers to rave and rant about '98's highs and
lows.  Douglas Wolk, in his 'Pros' column, mentions 'new Belle and
Sebastian on Virgin Airlines' (we know all about that), but also 'Kiki
& Herb butchering "Fox In The Snow"'.  Now what's that all about ?  Is
it this mythical remix we've heard so much about ?  Some kind of
BounceCore jack-hammer atrocity that's providing a soundtrack to
Vicks-abuse in Ghent and Liege ?  I can almost hear 'read it in a book
tonight' being time-stretched into gaseous oblivion as I type. 
::shudder::

[If you're at all interested in this issue of 'The Wire', it's the Jan
99 one - probably only available off-the-shelf in Rough Trade now -
and features a cover photo of David Sylvian, cleverly distorted so
that you don't notice that The Most Beautiful Man In Pop 1982 now has
a *beard*.  I nearly cried. ]

I did do a quick archive-search re: the above; 'Kiki',
disappointingly, turned up no references to Pebble Mill's finest
chanteuse, while 'Herb' produced a cautionary tale involving Tag,
Susannah, drugs and Flowered Up.  I bloody love reading the archives,
me.  Beats working.

Toodle-pip,

SteadyMike.

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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Wed Feb  3 14:54:24 1999
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:54:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Took the words right out of my mouth
In-Reply-To: <199902021909.OAA28917@pellns.alleg.edu>
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2 mails in one day! Oops, sorry, still its not too bad cos it makes up
for the 350-odd days i dont post. I recieved this and thought you all
might appreciate it. I know i did.

This is an actual essay written by a college applicant. The author,
Hugh
Gallagher, now attends NYU.

3A. ESSAY: IN ORDER FOR THE ADMISSIONS STAFF OF OUR COLLEGE TO GET TO
KNOW YOU, THE APPLICANT, BETTER, WE ASK THAT YOU ANSWER THE FOLLOWING
QUESTION:
ARE THERE ANY SIGNIFICANT EXPERIENCES YOU HAVE HAD, OR ACCOMPLISHMENTS
YOU
HAVE REALIZED, THAT HAVE HELPED TO DEFINE YOU AS A PERSON?
I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice. I
have
been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making them
more efficient in the area of heat retention. I translate ethnic slurs
for Cuban refugees, I write award-winning operas, I manage time
efficiently.

Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a row.  I woo women with
my sensuous and godlike trombone playing, I can pilot bicycles up
severe inclines with unflagging speed, and I cook Thirty-Minute
Brownies in twenty minutes. I am an expert in stucco, a veteran in
love, and an outlaw in Peru.

Using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single-handedly
defended a small village in the Amazon Basin from a horde of ferocious
army ants. I play bluegrass cello, I was scouted by the Mets, I am the
subject of numerous documentaries. When I'm bored, I build large
suspension bridges in my yard. I enjoy urban hang gliding. On
Wednesdays, after school, I repair electrical appliances free of
charge.

I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst, and a ruthless bookie.
Critics worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy evening
wear. I don't perspire. I am a private citizen, yet I receive fan
mail. I have been caller number nine and have won the weekend passes.
Last summer I toured New Jersey with a traveling centrifugal-force
demonstration. I bat .400. My deft floral arrangements have earned me
fame in international botany circles. Children trust me.

I can hurl tennis rackets at small moving objects with deadly
accuracy. I once read Paradise Lost, Moby Dick, and David Copperfield
in one day and still had time to refurbish an entire dining room that
evening. I know the exact location of every food item in the
supermarket. I have performed several covert operations for the CIA. I
sleep once a week; when I do sleep,I sleep in a chair. While on
vacation in Canada, I successfully negotiated with a group of
terrorists who had seized a small bakery. The laws of physics do not
apply to me.

I balance, I weave, I dodge, I frolic, and my bills are all paid. On
weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full-contact origami.
Years ago I discovered the meaning of life but forgot to write it
down. I have made extraordinary four course meals using only a mouli
and a toaster oven. I breed prizewinning clams. I have won bullfights
in San Juan, cliff-diving competitions in Sri Lanka, and spelling bees
at the Kremlin. I have played Hamlet, I have performed open-heart
surgery, and I have spoken with Elvis.

But I have not yet gone to college.


Dont you just wish you could have written an essay like that at
college?

And now to end on the customary questions. Why do soul singers all
seem to die tragically? Otis Redding, Marvine Gaye, Curtis Mayfield
(nearly), Michael Bolton (well, we can hope).

Who DID put the bop in the bop-shoo-wop-shoo-wop?

Did you know that the Shirehorses sold more albums than Pulp's This Is
Hardcore? (not a question per se. apparently mark and lard were gutted
about it too, felt really embarassed and guilty)

Also i was talking to someone the other day who said that B&S were
'christian rock'!! I know there is religious content in the songs but
a bit harsh i feel. I've always thought those songs we're more about
catholic guilt and were mocking catholicism in general. Am i wrong?

All these questions need answers (well the last one anyway)

Cheers,
Rich

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Wed Feb  3 16:25:37 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:25:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Stumps! Stumps!
Message-ID: <01be4f91$d6042280$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


I hope this Mercury Rev album you all tricked me into buying is a
grower...

Rod could overcome his work/Roddcam problem by attaching a Rodddcam to
his helmet, so that we could all see what kind of things Rodddd gets
up to all day. This idea was inspired by miners' lamps, as eagle-eyed
listees may have spotted. Of course, Roddddd would have to carry his
computer around in a plastic carrier bag, otherwise it would be
completely pointless.

What a major pop event this evening! The queen of the sixties girl
group without the group sound in a head to head clash with Stumps
Murdoch, the Glen Hoddle of pop! I bet he'll be as happy as a sandboy,
especially as it coincides with Glasgow City Council's decision to
unveil a new monument, the Stuart Murdoch Cream Cheese Tarzan Swing,
next to the Jim Kerr Jam Tart Go-Kart, in the middle of George Square.
Should be good.

I voted for B&S in the Brits, but I like Billie equally well.

Who likes fat organ grinder Charles Earland? I do, he does a splendid
version of the Carpenters classic, "We've Only Just Begun", a real
organ and conga propelled wah-wah barnstormer.

The Looper kudos contest has gotten off to a great start, Jake/Kenny
storming out in front by refusing to copy it before anyone had even
asked him to. My memory may be a little hazy, but I seem to recall
that he'd already taped a track or two for someone or other a while
back. Extra points! I feel that a hefty prison sentence would be in
order....extra points for anyone who does anything really illegal from
now on. Who stole it from the Sub Pop cupboard? That must have been
illegal. Good one! C'mon kids, as the recently split-up Boo Radleys
used to say.

lots of love,

Uncle Peter

"Have you got a big bottom? Because I've got a really big bottom."
- Isobel Campbell

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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Wed Feb  3 16:41:22 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L  (ug))
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:41:22 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: "Twee"
Message-ID: <116DF9642B30D1119D530000F800DC37023336A1@exchs3.lse.ac.uk>


"Twee" means sickly-sweet.

Anyone got a cure for being overstuffed but underfed? Last night I got
served half a chicken and was ravenous but as soon as I'd had a few bites I
felt like being sick. I need to know urgently because I've got a smoked
salmon and cheese bagel in the bag and don't want to waste it.

Anyone know what the new Divine Comedy album's like?

Louise l.stanley at lse.ac.uk
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From ot4ot4ot4ot4 at xxx.net  Wed Feb  3 17:53:45 1999
From: ot4ot4ot4ot4 at xxx.net (Cray Weeden)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:53:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: three brief lines
Message-ID: <12568-36B88D29-245@mailtod-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net>


I hear B & S
it sounds like understanding
it feels good inside

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From tton at xxx.edu  Wed Feb  3 19:30:16 1999
From: tton at xxx.edu (Thaian N. Ton)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:30:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Sinisterites in DC/VA/MD?
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Hello beautiful sinisterines,

ive been listening to the mercury rev & elliott smith cds and i am trying
to figure out how i feel.  mercury rev definitely has grown on me and i'm
happier than ever listening to it on buses.  yesterday i listened to it to
drown out the wretched radio that was pouring out something nasty.

belle and sebby content: evolmadflowr  indeed, i am a sinister member
(displaced from dc) and there are others even though we havent had a belle
& sebastian picnic/get together since pam berry left us for the lovely
shores of england ...

-only slightly mental,
tidy-the-wee-monchichi
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From Ciflux at xxx.com  Wed Feb  3 21:15:51 1999
From: Ciflux at xxx.com (Ciflux at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:15:51 EST
Subject: Sinister: scotland late march: anything going on?
Message-ID: <6f55e1a9.36b8bc87@aol.com>


...so my fiancee and I are going to Scotland for our honeymoon.  We'll be
touching down on March 24th and dividing our time between Glasgow, Edinburgh
and the highlands.  I know it's probably too soon to ask, but is anything cool
going on that week -- shows, picnics, etc.?  I've heard rumors from Megan of a
Looper show, and I know that Bis were *supposed* to play on 3/26 but
cancelled.  We could easily content ourselves with wandering aimlessly round
town all week, but if anything special's happening we'd love to know.  Thanks!

-- mike
ciflux at aol.com
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From laurentdeguell at xxx.com  Wed Feb  3 21:31:46 1999
From: laurentdeguell at xxx.com (Laurent de GUELL)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:31:46 -0500
Subject: Sinister: TV sky
Message-ID: <199902031632_MC2-691F-6954@compuserve.com>


Hi ya moron ! (sorry i'm in a old Holden' mood)

well that's me moron, no doubt...
I can't find who nor when was said that french TV "Paris Premiere" will air
B&S show... except that in my mind it was this morning so I gave a buzz to
my mother at 10.30 to plug the VCR and all i have is this nice teleshopping
120mn tape.
IF EVER it is not too late, please remind me which time and day and year it
will happen. GOD be clement !!!

Thx

Laurent
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J'ai ressenti les premieres atteintes du mal
Sous les sarcasmes de Marilou
Mes oreilles apres des mots comme
"Vieux con pedale"
Se changerent en feuilles de chou

Gainsbarre
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From honey at xxx.net  Thu Feb  4 00:26:55 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:26:55 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Drunk and in charge of a PC
Message-ID: <Pine.GS4.4.02.9902040024001.11121-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


See what I have to deal with?

A genuine message honestly :)

eponymous honey xxx


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Subject: Re: Sinister: 1,5,2 VOTING!
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:19:53 -0600

UNSRCIBLE-SINSITER-DEGEST

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From giita2 at xxx.com  Thu Feb  4 11:22:31 1999
From: giita2 at xxx.com (Aileen Hammond)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 03:22:31 PST
Subject: Sinister: Will Oldham tonight!!!
Message-ID: <19990204112231.21185.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hi there Sinisters,
I am overfilled with joy :) Tonight Will Oldham/Palace/Bonnie Pr..you 
know the rest.. is playing HERE in Reykjavik,Iceland!!!!
I won�t believe it �till I actually see them..This doesn�t happen here. 
- A band you really like are playing in your own country? And on this 
"little" island, where very few foreign bands have touched the soil... 
Well I�ll tell you all about it tomorrow, when all is over.

Catch you in the moonlight!

Giita 

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From thunderw at xxx.uk  Thu Feb  4 11:39:13 1999
From: thunderw at xxx.uk (James)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:39:13 -0000
Subject: Sinister: nick drake doc + stu's lonely heart....
Message-ID: <E108NOp-0007Ym-00@sand.global.net.uk>


Stuart wrote :

>> so i wish i hadnt bothered watching it now cause though theres these
songs
>> which matter to you and say something to you things like this and the
recent
>> biography only serve to remind you that their made by this well off
public
>> schoolboy just about as far removed from you as possible.

> Maybe it's just me, but I don't see that as a problem. You can still
> appreciate a song, if the writer wasn't like you. Are you saying I
> shouldn't like B&S because I'm not a shy scotsman? Or that I shouldn't
> like Pulp because I didn't go to art school?

This is so right. If I could only identify with artists who had similar
life experiences to me I'd be in real trouble. Am I the only person who
thought that the Nick Drake documentary was really rather good? Maybe its
because I never go into these things expecting much, but I really did think
it was quite original and unusual in format, and very honest in terms of
presenting lots of different viewpoints etc. Of course it skipped over all
the technical musical details but it didn't pretend to be anything other
than a study of the man himself, and a lesson in music theory is hardly
suited to television.
Well, that's just what I think.

By the way Stuart, I have this horrible creeping feeling that I never
actually thanked you for the sessions and demos you sent me. If so, I'm
sooo sorry. I'll certainly be going without supper tonight. THANK YOU. The
tape was great.

Here are some answers for your questions:

1 . Freshly laundered sock seeks clothes peg. Must have firm grip.
2 . Lonely clothes peg with firm grip seeks laundry for hours of fun in the
back yard.
3 . Probably.
4 . Melted over hot crumpets.
5 . It simply has to be an aubergine.
6 . Well, I wouldn't know about this one now would I.....

Bye bye
Love from Molly
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From kenny at xxx.uk  Thu Feb  4 11:58:25 1999
From: kenny at xxx.uk (jake)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:58:25 -0000
Subject: Sinister: sssshhhhhhhh uncle PJ.
Message-ID: <199902041159.LAA29880@mailhost.dircon.co.uk>



Well I do have to say that i'm in a bit of a dilemma, do i want Billie,
Isobel, or the short blonde haired girl out of steps? It makes all the
difference you see, it depends who gets my vote for the best
newcomer............

And as for you Uncle PJ, are you trying to get me into trouble with this
looper slurr? I had to beg, steal, borrow and murder to get the tape of the
looper album a while ago, and as a nice gesture i happened to put a track
(or 2) onto a christams tape, despite having told those lovely people at
"corporation x" (name changed to protect those people who have already
undergone the trauma of my holding them up at gun point) that i wouldn't,
and now you've gone and blown my cover.

So good was the album though, that i just had to go and get a cd copy, and
still feeling guilty other my last hold up, i lay in wait outside the
warehouse of the people who do the mastering and jumped out on them and
stole the whole box of goodies. Which means i've got 10 looper albums, 10
gentle wave albums and 10 copies of the newly remastered tigermilk, and
i'll sell them at a cut down price to sinister members on a first come
first served basis..........£10 each, £25 for all 3.

No, not really, i'm only joking. I want to make that perfectly clear, I W A
S J O K I N G.

ok, so it wasn't funny

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From lonelyhighway at xxx.com  Thu Feb  4 12:02:34 1999
From: lonelyhighway at xxx.com (Corpora Arenacea)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 04:02:34 PST
Subject: Sinister: coppin some fronts for the set
Message-ID: <19990204120235.12254.qmail@hotmail.com>


Divine Comedy covering the Magnetic Fields sounds to me like, oh, I 
don't know, Blonde Redhead covering Sonic Youth or Mariah Carey covering 
Whitney Houston. 


>How to talk sinister=20

>One -- use the word "bollocks" as often as possible. Also "smashing" 
and=
 any
>other  British slang will do.

>I don't suppose it's occured to you that some of us are British and
>talk like that anyway.  

British are the niggers of the world. (Not really.) Lessee... what do 
you call an American who tries to talk like a Brit? A yanker? A brigger? 
A limey-lovin bunnystuffer?

Allow me to heartily =dis=recommend "A Simple Plan", it's really a lot 
like watching "Fargo" in v-e-r-y slow motion.... and "Darkman" is, like, 
my favorite movie. (In case you have a life you might not know that they 
have the same director). I watch it on the telly. With my budgie. Sod 
off the lot of you.

Oh, and does anyone else out there love Kevin Coyne? His was the first 
"Peel Sessions" album I ever bought, cuz he looked so damn crusty on the 
cover, and boy do I pat myself all over now. He sounds just as crusty as 
he looks. Favorite song so far: "Do Not Shout At Me Father". 

Big up to the DC massive, where the fuck are all of you? (Write me.)

                                          -Ebroo

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From C.Timmins at xxx.uk  Thu Feb  4 12:52:26 1999
From: C.Timmins at xxx.uk (Claire M Timmins)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:52:26 GMT
Subject: Sinister: destruction
Message-ID: <32B9D04244@arts.gla.ac.uk>


It's all your fault. Boss thinks I'm an absolute fool, fair enough.

To all I met and sprouted absolute piss to last night, I hope you're 
all well. I'm not, and again, it's all your fault.

Joss, wake up!

Claire**


--------------------------------
Claire Timmins
Leverhulme Research Assistant,
Department of English Language,
12 University Gardens,
University of Glasgow,
Glasgow G12 8QQ.
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From A.Ward at xxx.uk  Thu Feb  4 18:46:24 1999
From: A.Ward at xxx.uk (Anne Ward)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:46:24 +0000
Subject: Sinister: One inch rock/Poetry fears two
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990204184624.00975a20@scooter.gcal.ac.uk>


Hello Everybody

Claire, you're not the only one suffering today. I feel like a pig shat on
my head. Still, it was a top night. The Evie Sands thing was a bit of a
curate's egg. Firstly, Chip Taylor, (Jon Voight's brother!) wot wrote Wild
Thing and other such classics played for about a year and told some stories
like those ones that Grampa Simpson tells. You think they're going
somewhere and then, no. Lots of evil people started giggling and it was
like being back at school, trying not to laugh during mass. If Glenn Hoddle
is right we will be reincarnated as earwigs for smirking in the Lord's
house. Then Evie, the tiniest woman in rock came on and said "Here are some
songs from my new CD 'Women in prison'" which did not bode well. I couldn't
see her at all and wondered if she was a bit shy and was actually out the
back with a microphone but it turns out she was there on the altar because
when she bobbed up and down I could see the red crocodile clip that was
holding together her huge rock mane. Things got better after this and she
sang some new songs and some old ones before various members of B&S crept
out of whatever you call the church equivalent of backstage for a big jam.
They did "Take me for a little while" and "Anyway that you want me" and lo,
it was gorgeous. There was some other stuff too that sounded ace then they
all played "Wild Thing" and Ginger Murdoch got to do a guitar solo that
sounded like someone twanging away at a Jew's harp. 

After that, the post-gig meet up at the 13th Note was also top fun. Joss,
it was a pleasure to meet you. You are a true star. Everyone else ruled
too, especially that Warrender John who was making a right show of himself.
Way to go Warrender John!

Anyway, to business. Last week, Linda, terrible minx that she is, sent the
Poetry Parrot on his way to my house saying  "I am off to see that Anne
Ward now.  She is a proper librarian, and may be a little more thoughtful
than you, you dozy tart." God knows I've barely been able to sleep at night
for fear of picking the wrong thing and offending one of you little
flowers. I was going to go for Philip Larkin, for librarians everywhere
(The one that ends "Get stewed. Books are a load of crap" is particularly
good) but it was all too gloomy. There was also a poem called
"Strawberries" by Edwin Morgan which is lovely and vaguely saucy but it was
too long to type so here's Stevie Smith instead. By all accounts she was a
bit barmy and is often described as "eccentric" and "mischievous" which
makes her sound like some kind of terrible Pam Ayres novelty act. But I
really like this poem and it's for whoever was going on about how the
chances of you meeting your ideal person are really slim so you should just
settle for second best. Listen to Stevie - she knows the score. 

The Poetry Parrot is off to see Brad now who is so sensitive he probably
writes his own poetry. Be kind to the PP Brad, he's had a long journey!

***************************************************************************

To the Tune of the Coventry Carol

The nearly right
And yet not quite
In love is wholly evil
And every heart
That loves in part
Is mortgaged to the devil

I loved or thought
I loved in sort
Was this to love akin?
To take the best
And leave the rest
And let the devil in?

O lovers true
And others too
Whose best is only better
Take my advice
Shun compromise
Forget him and forget her



Stevie Smith








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From honey at xxx.net  Thu Feb  4 19:38:48 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:38:48 +0000
Subject: Sinister: My Evening Out
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Hello you,

Well I went to Evie.  I gathered up my crutches and walked, as Jesus
says, and lo, it was a mighty fine evening, with Evie and Chip giving it
plenty of whack.  I can't pretend I knew who Evie was before I went, to
my shame, but if you were there last night, you like me might have
mumbled "OH she sang THAT" into your prayer-book and felt a bit stupid.

Here's what I typed before I noticed Anne had mailed the list about last
night already.  Evie was on top form, fresh of voice and appearance,
and, as Linda said, "small as a pea". I've got to say I wasn't
completely bowled over by Chip and Evie's solo sets for the first half
(I'm not sure if "My Mom Was A Pisser" as a song title and punchline
translates well into UK English, but Chris Leonard seems to like it).
But when the Band We Love toddled on to back her and they kicked into
her 60s stuff it was quite tremendous. For Belle and Sebastian Titbit
Collectors, Mick was supposed to be poorly, and looked it, but like a
real trooper struggled in to blow his thing a bit.  Neil (B&S manager
and former skinhead) played a bit of guitar, one of Sarah's friends sang
with Sarah and Isobel like the Three Degrees, Stuart Murdoch played
bass, and Stuart David's staying in cos he thinks it's a sin that he has
to leave the house at all.

Stuart's hair really is red.  Like maroon red.

The last song they did was, of course, "Wild Thing", and Chip insisted
that most of them did a solo.  So we got Isobel rocking it on the cello
for a few bars, Sarah doing that two-note recorder solo you get on the
original (but she didn't manage to make it quite as flat and tuneless as
the original), and then Chip turned round and yelled "STOOart, BASS
solo!" and Stuart went even more maroon and did a few bass runs.  It was
very similar to a traumatic experience I had in a coffee bar in Upton,
Wirral when I was 14 and on a stage playing bass realy badly, and my
older brother playing the roll of Chip, but I think I'll leave the
details to my next Christmas circular letter.

Anyway, we all know that Peter Miller fancies Evie like mad, having
witnessed his sex-crazed agonised ravings on the subject recently, so I
went up and asked Evie afterwards if she'd send some of her underwear to
Spain for him.  She wasn't sure about export restrictions so instead she
scribbled a private message to Peter on my little handheld computer, and
I've put it on the WWW pages.  Of course no-one else should go and look
at this as it's just for Peter so everyone else should turn their eyes
away now:

http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/things/EvieLovesPeter.jpg

Her handwriting's shakey due to technology rather than drink, but it is
her, honestly.  Actually I felt like a real speccy fool, with everyone
cooing over my little palmtop politely and thinking I was a Star Trek
fan with illusions of coming from the 23rd century; I woke up this
morning in a cold sweat over it.

[Incidentally a related reminder that I'm still taking photos from
foolish listees who want to enter the Sinister beauty concert for the
photo pages, preferably the baby photo page which is my favourite, at:

http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/minipeople

with links to the others. Just send me JPG format please and be a star.]

Aww but I couldn't go anywhere afterwards, but I surmise that I missed
Claire and Joss and all sorts of sinistereenies last night?  All I had
was the usual Top Trumps set of Keiths, Annes, Tags, Chrises and Julias
- oh I did get a John too..  But we should all wear luminous orange
wooly hats and carry a root vegetable for quick recognition in crowds.

Oh and if anyone's interested in more titbits, Isobel says that her
Gentle Waves project (basically B&S) are probably doing a tour to
support the coming LP around Easter: four dates in the UK.  I think it's
London, Glasgow, Wales and was it Birmingham? but it all sounded a bit
uncertain.  I think she's got a track on the new B&S LP and Stuart David
two maybe, Stevie I think none.  This should all be taken with a large
pinch of salt as I'm notoriously unreliable and fickle.  Sadly I'm not
doing well in Peter's pop-snob competition as I haven't heard any new
B&S, Looper, Gentle Waves or indeed unrecorded Steps material, but I'm
going to be claiming I have in the next mail.

And last night, why did The Pastels go to the church loo one after the
other?  I was watching and they did.  Do Pastels get nervous about
non-Pastel germs?  Or maybe they were leaving little Pastel messages for
each other with loo rool?


-- It's not funny and it's not clever --

Finally, an update on that rude word collector at Yale College Wales --
you'll remember that I sometimes get messages back that mails from the
list to a listee there have been rejected because they're crude. Results
of my investigation have been disappointing.  It seems that the software
is choosy and it rejects the odd mail here and there: it didn't care
less about Gary's rude Welsh words and irresponsibly passed on his
obscenities to the poor Yale listee, and nor did it care about Linda's
stream of filth in her last poetry-parrot mail.  It seems to reject
things at random making an assumption that all mail to
"sinister at majordomo.net" is basically obscene and it's trying to make an
example of some.  Maybe they have Rude Days in Wales.  Anyone?


honey xxx


"Either the wallpaper goes or I go" 
- Oscar Wilde, moments before he died.

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From jossm at xxx.ie  Thu Feb  4 20:50:24 1999
From: jossm at xxx.ie (Joss)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:50:24 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Prestwick 2 - Moorkens 0
Message-ID: <v01530500630b669d70d6@[159.134.225.254]>


Shit. I really don't have much luck with air travel. Or rather, every time
I miss a plane I promise myself that I shall NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.
Especially after missing my flight from New York last year and having to
spend 8 miserable hours in Heathrow. But I found myself once again
repeating this mantra at 9am this morning as my flight left for Dublin
without me on it. And the next one was at 6 o'clock. So as a result we
spent the day in Ayr because Leagues said he was too ill to make it back to
Glasgow. Still, we did find a natty mug with the rules for being a girl
guide on it. ("Giving service; Becoming a homemaker...." How enlightening.)
And I got some new slacks, so it wasn't all bad. And it gave me an extra
day off work.

All told, I had a marvellous time in Glasgow though. I'm sure there's been
stuff written already about the gig. I thought Evie Sands was a sweetie. I
have loads of great records to show for my jaunt, although I'm sure that
drinking to keep up with Claire Timmins has taken at least 2 years off my
life. Words cannot describe waking up to run to the airport two hours after
leaving the hotel bar. Anyways, thanks to everyone I met. It really was a
pleasure - one which I hope to repeat before too long.
Sleepy now.
love
Joss

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From mctag at xxx.com  Thu Feb  4 21:35:29 1999
From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 21:35:29 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Shoot your shot
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Dearly beloved,

Being the hard-nosed reporter that I am I've waited mere seconds after
arriving home from Glasgow to give you warts and all coverage of last
night's hoedown at Saint Stan and Tami the Immaculate's Parish Church
and subsequent drinking till the wee smalls.

On entering the church after the cutomary B&S delay due to problemas
technicas, Duglas BMX Bandit, the lemonade-guzzler's Robbie Williams,
introduced us to an old man called Chip, who we were reliably informed
had written every 60's song we had ever heard, and some others we
hadn't.  Nice bloke, but a bit crap, to be honest, and I thought Anne
waas going to burst in an effort to stop laughing in the house of the
Lord.  Then Evie came on and she was indeed very short.  After the
disappointment of hearing Billie Sunshine slowed down to a Smog-like
tempo, and lots of songs from her new CD, I was getting a little
twitchy, especially after waxing so lyrically on the subject of the
Evester last week.  But it was all OK when ver S!E!B! came on stage,
and we got "Take me for a little while", "Anyway that you want me", "I
can't let go" and "Angel of the morning".  It was just fucking magic,
to be honest.  My favourite 60's singer and my favourite 90's band
playing together, what can I say?  

Then Chip introduced "Wild thing"....

"I wrote this next song and went to play the tape to Al Gorgoni, and
he said...."
"YES?" we said, expecting to hear some nugget of rock legend
"...he said..."
"What????", we cried, on tenterhooks now,
"I forget what he said"

But it still rocked like buggary, Chip n' Evie ogling each other
throughout, rather unnecessarily I thought, and the Murdoch bass solo
is something none of us will forget.

Apres, as they say in foreign, we went off to the 13th Note where
Keith and co missed the bus, Kriss Kross style, and then Warrender
John and his twin brother Joss entered the building, and a wall of
loveliness ensued.  I declared my obsessive love of gay disco to
Claire Timmins, and a fine time was had by all.  Joss and Warrander
are going to join Roolz, I've decided, and we're going to be bumping
for a buck in a town near you, managed Svengali style by Ruthless
Pookie McLaren, the Wall Street Banker.

Today we went to the Grosvenor where the worse for wear Warrender went
very pale and disappeared to the toilet for a long time, and
Spinmaster Symington assured us that Australian big band soul was the
next big thing.

Apparently Evie and ver S!E!B! have "cut some wax" together today and
the very thought makes so excited I'm going to piss my pants.

Love Tag xx
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From DavidJ2502 at xxx.com  Fri Feb  5 00:10:39 1999
From: DavidJ2502 at xxx.com (DavidJ2502 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 19:10:39 EST
Subject: Sinister: Hey, Nick Drake's back!
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Hello everyone.

Sorry about this, but there's little or no B&S stuff this time, but I promise
to keep it brief.

I saw the Nick Drake documentary on Monday and thought it was fan-dabbie-dosie
(spelling corrections welcomed). At last we might see him getting the
recognition he truly deserves. He has clearly inspired so many of us all,
especially one Mr Murdoch, that perhaps he is just about due a bit of fame,
albeit about 25 years too late. 

So anyway, here's the groovy part: I was in Birmingham town centre on
Wednesday (only 2 days after the documentary, remember) and every record shop
was cleaned out of Nick Drake records. This is it, chaps. The revolution has
started. I don't quite understand why people who don't know about Nick Drake
watched a programme about Nick Drake, but they did and they liked it. Just
think, if one late-night BBC2 programme can do this for Nick Drake imagine
what a Brits nomination could do for our beloved B&S. Of course, with this
resurgence will come the indie (folkie?) snob i've-got-the-ultra-rare-vinyl-
bootleg-of-him-sneezing types ready to snatch his unbelievable loveliness from
the likes of us who don't even know what his best friends labrador was called.
Let us fight back against these people and spread the good word. 

...and just because I don't identify with him as a public schoolboy (near)
Oxbridge graduate doesn't mean there isn't beauty in the songs. So there.

On to other matters. I thought Lo-fi had more to do with the production and
instrumentation than the actual recording techniques. It is a mistake
punishable by tweaking to fall into the NME style trap of calling it a style
of music. The first Babybird albums are decidely Lo-fi but nothing like Guided
by Voices or early Pastels. Neither is it anything to do with the quality of
recording: Blur probably spent a king's ransom trying to get their last album
sounding like a Slint b-side. As for Mid-fi, wait for the new Sebadoh record.

Before I go, has anyone else been plagued with e-mails about a music survey? I
got one blank survey sent to me and after that I got bucketloads of completed
ones and it's driving me insane. If you get sent anything similar please don't
send them abusive mail, I'll only get copies of that too. Please cry for my
sorry plight. 

Okay that's enough,

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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Fri Feb  5 02:55:36 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:55:36 -0800
Subject: Sinister: it's beyond me what a girl can see...
Message-ID: <001601be50b3$021a5200$2f11020a@rebelstrange>


lots of love,

Uncle Peter

"Have you got a big bottom? Because I've got a really big bottom."
- - Isobel Campbell

GAAAAAAHH PJmiller, you stole my favorite quote!!!  good one!! you deserve
cookies and milk. Skim milk, or maybe that fake milk made of rice.  hmmm?
I've got a big bottom too, maybe we could do some female bonding over those
International Coffees after a bout of monster shopping, and have some nice
aromatherapy candles going before we get ready to party with Ally McBeal.
ah, girly stuff!!  But then i'd have to convince her to throw a lingerie
party with me, and invite all our girly  friends, and it would just get too
messy i'm afraid.

I voted for our favorite heroes yesterday, i have to say it made me feel
very ciically responsible to the ArtMusick world i pay fealty to.  strange
to imagine them winning, they're quite unknown in th States as far as the
mainstream media in general, though all the indie college kids are mad for
them.  i wonder if they've ever been mentioned in a rolling stone article
even? i wouldn't know.   i just realized as i was writing another surrealist
email to my partner in CRYME(ancient cryme) jess, how much this band has
ALTERED my perspective in some way.  i listened to arab strap about 4 times
yesterday, interspersed with a couple runs of France Gall, but still,
nonstop sleep the clock around for me.  Gawd i realized how beautiful it
was.  is it wicked???  i was nearly moved to weep.  but that has a lot to do
with the fact that i kept  staring at this beautiful girl who is in two of
my classes.  she usually sits in  front of me somewhere in art history, and
draws somewhere near me in life drawing, and she has short hair, wears baggy
pants and funny shirts and carries a camouflage duffle bag, and she had a
big plastic ring just like one that i have but i never wear.   and a KDHX
tshirt, the radio station i worship.  but i've never been able to think of
how to start a conversation.  yesterday she had on a blue long mohair
sweater and a bunch of bobby pins knotted into  her short hair, and she
didnt' even look at me when she sat down, and my heart was breaking.  i
almost cried while watching all the slides of Bosch and Donatello, that is
when i wasn't falling asleep from being awak for 24 hours, weird things
happen when you're up that long, and i was in a fairytale land i started
thinking of my broken heart and Seymour Stein, send her back to me!!!  I was
at my wit's end.  there is an adorable Japanese girl in my AH class, she has
the most amazing cutest clothes, she drives me mad because i want to make
her into a little doll and take photos of her, she's so unique.  and i saw
these 2 little boys, swinging and running around a small tree on the hill,
they were laughing so, i tried to smile at them, and wished i could be with
them, and join all these beautiful people, but i'm just too afraid.......I
would ride buses all day, only watching them pass by but never brave enough
to catch their eyes for too long.  it was  very belle and seb.  i hope this
didn't bore you all, but i've been reading all of the dear diary posts
lately and they are my most favorite, I love those fragile glimpses, so this
one's for m elise, deary, hello out there!!!

We should start a Midwestern chapter of sinisterines.  anyone up for it??
we're oh so lonely out here, what with the cows outnumbering the interesting
people.

i want to hear the butchering of  fox in a snow, i hope someone can help us
out on that mystery.

as for the question of  christian rock, I wouldn't consider them xtian rock
per se at all, in the sense of most christian-named music, which is "we are
here to glorify Jesus" which i don't see blatant in their songs, it's more
music and beauty for its own sake,  purely secular, but with an eye for the
spiritual, mostly in questioning.  I dont' think anyone would say that  IYFS
"celebrates" christianity, it's just a study of a particular few lives in
questioning.  as i'm sure you all know.  well it's my opinion.  and as such
essentially worthless.
gentle waves mania: i  can't wait to get my hands on the gentle waves
special edition Pooh bear and christopher isobel.  and how about the gentle
waves Wave-maker, for your very own personal pool, so you can sail upon
them.  DO NOT forget the gentle waves tiny wave box, a clear plastic box
containing two sections of blue and clear gelatinous and repelling liquids
that float upon them a tiny rowboat containing stuart and isobel on a
pea-green boat.  it makes a great paperweight for you corporate types.
 But i'm especially excited about the line of lingerie, it's top secret
though, don't tell anyone I told you.
TWEE: "affectedly dainty or quaint"

if you want me I'l be there, a (girl) to deal with all your problems
but part of the deal
is for you to feel
something

LJ

http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange
"I'm a piece of crap that the world revolves around."

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From heinitz at xxx.uk  Fri Feb  5 02:16:35 1999
From: heinitz at xxx.uk (angel)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 99 02:16:35 GMT
Subject: Sinister: a ghost of a smile
Message-ID: <990205021635.n0000081.heinitz@pop.clara.net>


oh, just thought i'd mention that the 'virus warning' and the accomplishments
essay thingy both made me laff today. and then i looked again and saw that
they'd both been posted to the list by the same person, so richard connell is my
newly appointed provider of chuckles. no, now i have an image of somebody with
inadvisedly wide trousers and neon coloured hair, being loud near small
children. you know how you get images in your head of people when you don't know
what they look like? oh dear. now whenever i see richard connell's name i shall
think of this clown. and now i have inflicted the imaginary clown on everyone
else. i am sorry.

i seem to remember reading in an article which i think was in select around the
time TWATTYBUS was released a short interview with the lovely stuart m in which
he said he wouldn't mind being referred to as 'christian rock'... i remember
feeling a little disappointed at the time but that's me. no, it wasn't that one,
i'll check (i have shelves of music related publications, bedroom saddoe that i
am)... found- in the big b&s article that select did in their december issue, a
quote from a previous interview: "I wouldn't have a problem if people started
calling us Christian rock. There are much worse things to be called." fair
enough, i suppose. (still think if someone called me christian rock i'd hit
'em).

not that i want to give the impression i dislike christians. my grandfather was
a presbytarian minister and he was quite nice, in a grandfatherly sort of way.
so pay no attention to me.

ooh, its quite months since i last posted, bet you've all forgotton me.
love anyway, 
abi 
xxx

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From larissa at xxx.com  Fri Feb  5 07:36:53 1999
From: larissa at xxx.com (Larissa Slurpee)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 23:36:53 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Pulp... No B&S
Message-ID: <36BA9F94.568907E0@geocities.com>


I know there are a few PULP fans on this list, so if you get
Canadian Much Music, you might be interested in "Pulp in the
Park", a concert they did in Finsbury park last summer. It's on
Monday Feb. 8. Check the muchmusic.com site for more info
and times!

~Larissa



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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Feb  5 09:29:14 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:29:14 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Church do
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Just wanted to say that it was a good time at the church, and at the 13th
Note afterwards, sorry that as soon as people (Claire, Joss) I hadn't met
before, I had to bugger off to miss the bus and then get a taxi back to
Edinburgh, hopefully some time soon we'll get a chance to meet properly.

Cheers,
  Keith.


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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Fri Feb  5 11:19:07 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L  (ug))
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:19:07 -0000 
Subject: No subject
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As the new world expert on how Christianity can really fuck you up, I have
to agree with LJ: Christian music - like Christianity itself and religion in
general - should be a celebration of all that's good about the world and the
emphasis placed on Christ himself is misleading and dangerous to a certain
extent because - like our dearly beloved B&S, Divine Comedy, Fairport
Convention, Pulp, Tindersticks ("when do you lose the ability to step back
and get a sense of your own ridiculousness?" is a question that should be
asked of any religious fanatic) and so on and so forth - music at its best
should be inspiring and the lyrics - if any - should *say* something about
the state of humanity. That is why "If You're Feeling Sinister" means more
to me than "Shine Jesus Shine" which is both vacuous and unnecessary.

Just another random musing from Depressed at lse

Louise l.stanley at lse.ac.uk
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From JMoorkens at xxx.ie  Fri Feb  5 14:32:59 1999
From: JMoorkens at xxx.ie (Joss Moorkens)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:32:59 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: poorly conceived competition time
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God, I'm bored. How I long for those happy hours spent at Prestwick airport.
*sigh* So anyway, I thought I'd amuse myself by setting a wee competition,
if I may be so bold. The prizes, firstly, are:
1.	A promo CD of the Tindersticks/Isabella Rosselini song.
2.	A small furry leprechaun fridge magnet which plays 'If you're Irish,
come into the parlour' - a great favourite of my granny's after a whiskey or
two - when you press his belly.

Good or what, eh? These fine prizes shall be winging their way to the lady
or gentleman who can provide me with the finest limerick. However, these
limericks must contain as many as possible of the following Irish based
terms:
Bollix (rubbish or men's bits)
Gooter (men's bits)
Scobie (ruffian)
Gee (ladies' bits)
Shift (snog)
Arse (bottom)
Oxter (armpit)
Now, I realise that these are all rude, but hey, there's been a general lack
of list smut recently. My workmates and I shall diligently pick out the
finest limerick and the prizes and list glory shall be yours. Please send
yer rhymes to Jmoorkens at esat.ie <mailto:Jmoorkens at esat.ie> 
Cheery-bye.
Joss
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From sung_ja at xxx.com  Fri Feb  5 17:01:15 1999
From: sung_ja at xxx.com (lisa)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:01:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Britpop Night in Philly?
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Hey Philadephia listees...

I've heard that there is to be a Britpop night in Philadelphia this
Saturday evening (the 6th) and that it's tons of fun.  I'm trying to
find out where it is, but I can't get in touch with the girl who told
me about it.  I think it's at Helena's?  Please respond privately if
you know anything about this or if you want to know more.
Sorry about the non-Belle & Sebastian post.

Lisa
devotchka at psu.edu
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Fri Feb  5 17:47:12 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:47:12 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Whippersnapper!
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Hello all you lot!

Boy it has been a long time since my last post! Or has it? Is it
relative? Is TIME just relative man?? Who knows! But what I know is that
I have my media studies Durational Assignment to be in on Monday, the
Practical production the same, and a Spanish essay on UFO's to write.
Ooh yippee! So of course I am pissing about doing mail. 

I'm going to die my hair PURPLE BLACK! I was wandering about in grahams
- top Preston discount shop - and saw the hair dye and went WOW! I shall
have some of this, so I am going to do it tonight! Also tonight I plan
to finish my media practical assignment 'cos I'd find it too depressing
to sit at teh pooter typing away all night! Which I'll probably end up
doing anyway, *ahem* just to IMPROVE MY JOLLY FAB JAVASCRIPTED WEBSITE
wot I did all myself and feel dead big and dead clever as well.

Nice to know you all had a nice time seeing Evie Sands who I don't know
who she is! Is she a big diva type woman? Does she whisper into an
acoustical geetar? Who is she? No, don't answer cos I've just realised I
don't really care! Thats how crazy I am! BONKERS! Ooh feck off ok then.
I WOULD like to know who "Chip" is though. And if its not Chip from
Chip'n'Dale then well it's just not good enough its it??

Stuarts hair is red!!! YEeey I mean oh dear oh I'm not sure what I think
about that at all. Won't that Clash with everything he wears? Then again
I have only seen him wearing grey. I hate GREY. Evertthing must be GREY!
I looked in the window of Bay trading in Blackpool and as far as the eye
could see! GREY! HOT DAMN I HATE GREY!

Almost as bad as almonds in MARS BARS.

Ah I have a new favourtie Spanish word as well. It's (n~ = a little n
with a wiggly line over it) "n~iquen~aque" hehehehe!!! (nyinkaynyankay!)
I love Spanish! I learnt about MOODS today. Did you know there are two
moods? And one is subjunctive and the other is indicative! English
barely uses the subjunctive - so we have to rely on our voice tone
giving meaning - in other words English speakers are unsubtle gets -
whereas like, Spanish uses all these subjunctives, which means teh
language speaks volumes more than English does? Cracking! I actually
found that fact dead cool. yeah I know SAD.

I bought a Hello Kitty alarm clock! From the pound shop! Top one! ANd a
calvin and hobbes book and a Marshall McLuhan book - which I might be
able to UNDERSTAND this time. Anyway - enough!
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Fluffy Candarel

http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk
I wish I was in STEPS!
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From Snowinsumr at xxx.com  Fri Feb  5 21:06:05 1999
From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:06:05 EST
Subject: Sinister: ...can i stay here lying under the table together with you now?...
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dear "wasting summer days away indoors" diary...

i do hope that lesley jo's "midwestern-belle-ie and seb-bie devotee get
togethers" idea pans out well...i would surely love to meet her as she seems
very sweet and all of the other adorable listees that are keeping quiet in
their midwestern homes...i am terribly lost for words lately as i have not
been feeling well and the doctors keep poking me with needles and draining me
of my life's blood...adventures with kittens and marshmallow cakies await...i
will wear my headphones and listen to "his 'n' hers" by pulp all the way
there...i hope that everyone has a wonderful weekend and i hope that katie
lynn takes beautiful pictures as spring has started setting in...

waiting for an answer on whether she is going to scotland...
m. elise
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From tdzF94 at xxx.edu  Fri Feb  5 22:26:40 1999
From: tdzF94 at xxx.edu (The Trainspotter)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:26:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: other things that boter me (besides mysick kitten)
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Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.990205172204.27378B-100000@hamp.hampshire.edu>



ok, so I see this a lot of ebay people selling bootleggs of cds and videos
- someone was selling pulp footage 8 hours from different things for $200
- (I had everything that were selling).  I bring this up because tigermilk
is now  being sold - a bootleg copy on cd - maybe i'm just being a arse
but to me it's one things to trade copies of something that's not relased
tbut entirely another to sella copy of something that isn't yours to sell.
the bidding is at $30 dollars right now - if this bothers you guys as well
perhaps someone should say something at ebay.  it's not like the album's
not being rereleased and you can't now get a tape copy from your friends -
to make people who can't otherwise get it - is tres greedy.  and I don't
think theyre going to send the profits on to stuart's dad who I believe
own's the distribution rights.  ok, back to looking after the kitty.  

btw, the site is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=62199719

I think it's also against ebays policy.  

-teri




http://hampshire.edu/~tdzF94/ -  Inspired by the writings of the 
eighteeth century Venetian gambler, eroticist and spy.

"The day didn't go too well. Too many chocolates and cigarettes, I kept
thinking of you and almost walking into lampposts." Pulp

"Follow me through a city of frost covered angels
I swear I have nothing to prove
I just want to dance in your tangles
To give me some reason to move" NMH

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From jordi-tv at xxx.com  Fri Feb  5 20:20:49 1999
From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 21:20:49 +0100
Subject: Sinister: nothing really special to say
Message-ID: <19990205232049.HM.00000000000BWWu@mixmail.com>


I only needed to post something. I�m gonna be on exams the following two weeks and I wanted to post something. Oh, I�m waiting for the day that Fluffy Sarah will post something in spanish. Meanwhile, I�ll keep studying, listening to the Joy Division box set. I know it�s not quite happy music, but it�s really touching for me, however "Unknown pleasures" was made the year that I was born. 
   


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From jimgrund at xxx.fr  Sat Feb  6 00:48:35 1999
From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 01:48:35 +0100
Subject: Sinister: My second posting
Message-ID: <199902060051.BAA16679@front4.grolier.fr>


Thanks for the Twee homepage, whoeveritwas. I did'nt know there's a 
name for a what I am. That is - I already had 5 dates. Do I still 
count? Now I want someone to explain the difference between a twee, a 
geek, a nerd, a wussie, a trekkie, a jerk, a freak, a creep, and 
plain, run-of-the-mill, unspectacular but bespectacled shyness. Thank 
you.

Oh, you're all going to cool concerts. I've been at a cool concert 
here too, because, there sometimes is, even in such a boring place as 
Paris. It was B&S at La Cigale. It was a big moment in my life, 
because it was the first time I met people who knew and liked B&S 
just like me (it was in the Dark Ages, before the Great Internet 
Connection), and even so many that there were no tickets left to buy 
there, and I didn't have one, because it was sold out years before, 
and everything was tragic, and depression fell over me and my good 
friend Anna, who had no more ticket than I. 
But then! There was a good woman, a british woman, and my good friend 
Anna, who also is a good british girl, was the only one who could 
talk to her, and so she did (for the others were all francais, and 
have you ever heard a French speak english? if not, be glad.)
And the good good british woman said "woo, I'm waiting here for a 
guy, and me and the guy both have free tickets, for I'm not only a 
good british woman, but also an important one, and if he doesn't come 
I'll sell it to you, because you are so british" We were quite 
egoistic there and hoped that the important guy would not show up, 
and he did'nt!- maybe he became ill and couldn't leave the studio. So 
we had one for just 100 FF, and black people were sucking the blood 
of thin-skinned B&S fans by selling blackmarket tickets for 300 FF 
each. And we sighed and said: it's B&S, isn't it? - Yes, it is, and 
we won't be able to eat croissants in the morning for three weeks, 
but tant pis, and so we bought another ticket from a caribbean 
monsieur, and we were in! 
Roses shall lie on the path of the british madame, her car shall 
always start in the morning no matter how cold it is, and she shall 
always get promo import singles in the record shops!
Will I describe the concert in detail? No, because I'm sure someone 
has done it before me, and I don't have to tell you they're great, 
anyway. At the end, a girl in the first row got a huge bouquet of 
flowers, because she looked so sad? I didn't get it from where I was 
standing. That would be a charming reason anyway.
 Then someone from the band said something in French or at least he 
tried, and everybody laughed, because the french think that people 
who cannot speak french have pas de culture du tout, n'est-ce pas. 
They think French is such a great language that every language should 
sound just like that, and that's how they pronounce it, then.  
Oh great - now I have offended all the French sinistreux - but no, 
you're not like that, french B&S fans. B&S fans are good by nature 
and have got a huge talent for languages. 


>> "Either the wallpaper goes or I go" 
>> - Oscar Wilde, moments before he died.

Oh thank you, honey! I didn't know this one. Mind if I steal it?

"its a shame that its easier to accept repressive gender roles 
instead of trying to find connections that will fulfill our little 
lives. So, ladies of Playboy: what kind of man do you want?"
Hugh Hefner, 1965.
Oh, the support band in Paris was Hefner. 

 SM and bible studies, 




Jan Imgrund/ http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/index.html

"Don't say you agree with me. When people agree with me
I always feel that I must be wrong"   -Oscar Wilde
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From Kath1216 at xxx.com  Sat Feb  6 02:42:44 1999
From: Kath1216 at xxx.com (Kath1216 at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 21:42:44 EST
Subject: Sinister: Greetings everyone
Message-ID: <9b2d46c8.36bbac24@aol.com>


I guess I should introduce myself also...My name is Kathryn and I'm from
Jersey too...yes, I know it's a shame.  I've been a fan of B & S for about a
year now, but just came across this list about a week ago.  I unfortunately
missed the Philly show also, but that was only because I didn't have anyone to
go with...you don't come across many B & S fans down yonder in S. Jersey.  

So Julia, where in Jersey are you from?  I'm right outside of the dump they
call Atlantic City...

'Til next time,
Kathryn

<<Hello all,
hmm, well I am new to this list so I just wanted to introduce myself...my name
is Julia and I am from new jersey, usa...
i've been a b&s fan for quite some time now, but I have just found out about
this list...I was at the show in philadelphia that was cancelled, it was a
very big disappointment, but i can only hope they will return soon...
alrighty well I just wanted so say hello to all the other fans out there...its
nice to know there are so many who appreciate such wonderful and amazing
music..
oh by the way, any fans from around my neck of the woods? 
until next time...

take care everyone,
Julia>>
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From Tjonrr at xxx.com  Sat Feb  6 12:38:52 1999
From: Tjonrr at xxx.com (Tjonrr at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 07:38:52 EST
Subject: Sinister: digging myself deeper in?
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so i think everyone misunderstood what i was trying to say about the nick
drake documentary, judging by the response. i know it wasnt very clear, but i
am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words Bother me. so, try again:
i know that you dont have to be well off to appreciate the music. id just
rather listen to the records than watch a load of posh people talking about
how his skin was see through. basically what i meant was that while the beauty
of the music transcends all boundaries the documentary... didnt. im sure
someone must agree who can explain it better. but surely whoever said you dont
have to be sensitive to appreciate belle and sebastian is wrong. otherwise,
what was i taking those beatings for?
i thought the smiths documentary was much better, just for the bits where
johnny marr was being tactful about morrisey.
sorry for any offence i may have accidentaly caused nick drake purists, from
tjohn.
"and do you think its possible to be sensitive and strong?
  hmm... we are."
  bmx bandits- golden teardrops
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From A.L.Corby-98 at xxx.uk  Sat Feb  6 17:10:30 1999
From: A.L.Corby-98 at xxx.uk (AL Corby)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 17:10:30 +0000
Subject: Sinister: I'm a notherner and I've lost my keys
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At 16:25 03/02/99 -0000, you wrote:

>The last time i went we were in the union on a thursday night, that passes
>for an indie night i was relaibly informed, apparently the football bunch
>call it 'freaks night'. Anyway there was a battle of the bands competition
>on that night, the band on first must have been one the funniest things
>i've ever seen...sort of a female meatloaf singing 80's type rawk classics
>(you had to be there really), i cant remember much else after that. I always
>thought the music press made the Midlands=Heavy Metal thing up.
Lee

I was there on said night, the scary female meatloaf woman came up to me
and my friend before they went on and said we should stand at the front and
support them cos she's a woman, so we were like 'yeah girl power, are you
like the spice girls?'. I don't think she was amused, we couldn't decide if
it was a boy or a girl at first before she came up to us, don't you hate
that?  But it shouldn't matter, but it does.

I'm proud you confirmed that sporty types call it freaks night, we call it
smokers night cos all the freaks smoke,  I hadn't smoked since I was about
thirteen til I came here the things you do to be different yet the same.

Andrea
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Sat Feb  6 09:46:00 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:46:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: California Highway Patrol
Message-ID: <01be51b5$8194dde0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


Oh Evie, Evie! You little tease, you! I have been sitting quietly atop
a grassy hillock overlooking the airport since last Thursday, and
still no sign of you! I think I saw Chips though, being escorted off
the plane. I wish I was called Chips. It sounds like a great time was
had by all, especially Chips. I'm definitely not going to any concerts
again ever, because I seem to get much more attention by not going. I
don't know if that's good or bad. Who was interrogating my former
bedfellows?

Neice Lesley J, sorry for stealing your favourite fat bum quote. I've
incorporated it in the script I've been daydreaming on the grassy
hillock for a computer-animated modern fairy tale, starring Master
Murdoch and Princess Isobel. It's called "Dinklestiltskin" and should
be on general release in time for Christmas crackers.

Nephew Jake, sorry for implying whatever it was I implied, I didn't
mean to, it was just my way of saying "send me loads of freebies".
Everyone gets Smashing Pumpkins freebies except me. Snot fair.

Fluffy, Evie Sands is like Etta James, only completely different. I'm
sure you'd dig.

Yesterday I saw a feel good council house movie, "Among Giants". It
didn't make me feel particularly good, but you do get to see Pete
Postlethwaite's knob, which was a long-standing ambition of mine.

Peter

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From TFertig3 at xxx.com  Sat Feb  6 23:38:28 1999
From: TFertig3 at xxx.com (TFertig3 at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:38:28 EST
Subject: Sinister: The back of my mind
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Hello pop-kids,

Midterms went well, and now I must face another semester of boring, boring
high school.  But it all doesn't seem so bad, as I've just watched Charlie
Chaplin's Gold Rush for the first time and it was very, very, very, very
funny.

In other news, my long wait to see Roddddddd on the Scottcam paid off!  Oh, I
admit I am one of those 16 year old girls who's been longing to catch a
glimpse.  Anyway, my story is this:  First his roommate was doing the laundry
on his bed.  Then he left, and a figure appeared at the door, which I presumed
excitedly must be our own Rod.  Then he sat down and, oh he does look pensive
while he's on the computer!  Then he smiled the tiniest bit, and then he
frowned a bit more.  And then his whole shirt covered the screen because I
presume he was in the process of turning off the computer.  Who can tell.. the
shirt was black.  Then... he was gone.  Oh it was magical.

And now that I can comment on some new songs (new for me, that is), I will.  I
like Paper Boat a bit, but not a large bit.  Now I know why Stu d usually just
speaks instead of singing.  It's a nice song, but nothing unique or superb
that will make me chew my nails, which is what good songs do to me.

Usually I don't really like Stevie's singing voice either, but The Wrong Girl
is fantastic!  It's beautiful, especially when he sings, 'I'm not what I could
be, I need a true love'.. it's so emotional!  I hope he doesn't try to sing
like an opera singer like he does on TIGGERJAMMY when he records this.  Or
change the pitch of his voice at any moments, because this version is perfect!
And I do hope it will be on the new EP, whenever that will be released...

That's all..
Tami xxxx

ps.  I dunno who Tami Popsicle is, but that's my name, tootsie!  Grrr.
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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Sun Feb  7 04:45:38 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:45:38 EST
Subject: Sinister: white grape juice
Message-ID: <f5d55452.36bd1a72@aol.com>


Hello listees!

I thought I'd write a pensive tell all diary letter and please some of you.
Then i thought of those who would be displeased by that and felt guilt
twinges. I shortly got over that though. so.

I shall be travelling overseas tuesday! to England! I've never been. I was
going to go to a friend's wedding but the groom broke it off at the last
minute and my ticket is non-refundable. so I am still going. Now I've got
nothing to do in London, plus no-one to do it with. My friend Ben (the bride's
brother) is not going; so I'll be pretty much on my own as far as
companionship goes. Sad, eh? I thought so too. Any of you listees have ideas?
No-one here is helpful; they all advise me to take advantage of the fact that
I can legally drink in England. Which is all well and good. But I didn't buy a
plane ticket solely to go to London and get pissed by meself. Come on now,
that's pitiful. What are some good things to see? Will I be rejected by people
as looking odd? Where's some nice used record/cd shops to find presents for
myself? If I were to start a conversation with a person who looks interesting,
will they cover their mouth, pointing and laughing at the stupid American
making a fool of himself? 
WARNINGWARNINGBELLEANDSEBASTIANCONTENTAHEAD!!

		I thought I'd throw this in to make it relevant..
are there any shows in the timeframe Feb 9th-Feb14th? b&s would be lovely, but
anything nice will do. It seems like there should be something of interest
happening if only I could find out about it. I would kick myself for weeks if
I missed a band playing only because I didn't bother to ask if they were
playing...
	I wouldn't presume to ask anyone to meet me, only because I have no idea
where I am staying, and i don't know anyone on the list well enough to ask
them to put me up. But if any listees in the London area would like to meet
me, well then, I'd do my best to find you!
       In case you don't already know, I'm 19, a guy, black hair, and
apparantly twee, if that helps any. I'm also terribly scared about this
overseas travel thing. Never done it before. 

             ah, this is horrible. I've gone on soo long. i do apologise for
those of you gritting your teeth. you should probably have stopped reading
long ago

                                             dave
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From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com  Sun Feb  7 09:47:40 1999
From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 04:47:40 EST
Subject: Sinister: shameless self-plug for cd and gig tonight 2/7/99 (no B&S content but plenty of B.S.)
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Our new music improv collective entitled
Castle Broadway
will be playing tomorrow evening
Sunday at 9 pm
at the Estate in Milwaukee
located at 2423a n. murray ave

People that have experienced us live compared it to Sun Ra meets Steve Reich
meets Brian Eno meets the Rachels meets latter John Coltrane with Alice if
that helps any.
This show will celebrate the release of our cd "Raymond Carverland" on
Soutrane Records.  This follows our debut 7" which received critical acclaim
from Magnet and Alternative Press which compared to Sun Ra, Sonic Youth and
Flying Saucer Attack.

Our hand painted limited edition CD is available through Carrot Top
distribution for any indie stores at
312-432-1194

Pete G
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From macarthur at xxx.com  Sun Feb  7 13:15:26 1999
From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:15:26 -0000
Subject: Sinister: i love sundays
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Dearest list

life has funny ways of suprising you, after grudgingly agreeing to going to
see the big man Robbie Williams with my friends, dreading the weeks before
the date comes, i find out the The Divine Comedy are supporting him! could
I have dreamed of a better resolution?! yay for me, anyway. i thought i
might throw something at mr williams, does anyone have an original ideas?

fluffy sarah, how did the purple black dying process go? I'm considering
doing my hair white-blonde from my current gold blonde, but it think i
could look like a complete freak. maybe that's a good thing, but i've
always thought the better freaks are the classy ones, not clown-like "look
at me" style. What am I talking about, do i really want to draw attention
to myself? i just want to be deborah harry, that is before she started
acting like someone's embarassing mum, and singing songs that go "oooh,
don't you wanna take 'er" wearing t-shirts and tights and horrible shoes.

on a lighter note, i talked to my crush this last friday evening for the
first time, and he's borrowing my copy of The Boy With The Arab Strap,
which is lovely, but i ask myself, will a sixteen year old boy who has
displayed sighs of lad-mentality be able to appreciate them? it would be a
wonder if he did! But after talking to someone you have idolised, they
somehow loose their wow-factor, i broke the rule - you should never talk to
them! it breaks the spell somehow, unless actually live up to what you have
made them, which, naturally he didn't. So i could have a new friend maybe,
and if i could introduce him to the     wonderful world of belle and
sebastian, that's enough for me.

everyday i scamper down to my doorstep in my nightie, with all the
anticipation of a child on christmas day, and find it bare, safe for bank
letters and junkmail, which isn't even addressed to me, when will they
come! when!

but the sun is shining this sunday morning, and heres a cup of tea to all
the sleepy-eyed peeps who are lolling around like me
i love sundays

love, Erica
x
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From Funkyseb at xxx.com  Fri Feb  5 23:56:09 1999
From: Funkyseb at xxx.com (Funkyseb at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:56:09 EST
Subject: Sinister: When I was young I used to sing I didn't care for anything...
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oh! but I do popkids, I really do. I care about the steam on the windows of
the cafe, the splishing of the buses through the rain, about the damp mornings
and the ghosted evenings. And I've had enough of it. I wanna dye my hair
purple black, and join steps, and WRITE IN BLOCK CAPITALS and not pay rent,
and think gay dad are any good and not understand Proportional Representation
and spend my evenings swigging thunderbird in the town square and not care
about anything....what's the secret? Eh? You bastards? I feel as pop as the
pope, and as vibrant as mother theresa. I want to be perfect for three
minutes, and totally disposable. I wanna be young.

Anyway.....wha' fettle, bonny lads? Canny, I trust. Sorry 'bout all that. It's
the job you see. Looking after child actors makes you feel very old, very
tired, and very poor.
I chaperoned a fifteen year old girl yesterday, who in two weeks time, records
her first CD (not LP, daddio) for RCA. In a month or two she'll be on the
lottery show. In six she'll be 10 times richer and a million times more famous
than a certain flame-haired troubador. And she's entirely thick and boring.
And almost entirely talentness. It's all rather depressing and unjust, isn't
it? When I was fifteen I grew some sideburns. It's not quite such an
impressive achievement really.
        Hoorah! though. 'cause it's nearly spring, and the days will yawn, and
stretch themselves out all over the summer. And we'll bask in the dappled
green of some quiet park and let the sun gently cook us. And we'll all listen
to the looper romp happily about on its album, and we'll all get Tigermilk
again, and pretend for a moment that we're right at the beginning ,and think
about what we haven't heard yet, and we'll all buy the Isobel album and, 
oh.

Anyway, that Nick Drake doc was a bit shite, wasn't it? As an exercise in
missing the fucking point it really takes the biscuit. And the footage from
the 'tribute' gig was toe curling. Mind you, I didn't know that the wall from
that photo shoot was in Battersea, (mah manah.) I shall be spending my time
off searching the streets of SW11, kids, and I'll report back when I find it.
Maybe even with some photos. 

No, actually. no.

Anyway, respect to the sinister massive. Maybe, if I convince my boss, I'll be
a webmaster soon, and I'll be able to be on topic, and brief, and funny in a
posting more often stylee... But 'til then I'll be off again.
I'm off to write a poem to Nicky Wire, and be rude to my parents. I shall
reverse the ageing process!
funkyseb
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From TheeXVirus at xxx.com  Sun Feb  7 23:17:51 1999
From: TheeXVirus at xxx.com (TheeXVirus at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:17:51 EST
Subject: Sinister: Drake documentary
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Does anyone in the States have a copy of this, or is anyone anywhere to record
a copy in the NTSC format?  I'm always looking for anything aside from the
four records and the in arden one...

is there any video of nick himself?

justin
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From Snowinsumr at xxx.com  Mon Feb  8 00:52:48 1999
From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:52:48 EST
Subject: Sinister: "...i could wait impatiently...but i'd rather not wait at all..."
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dear "sinister mailing list" diary...

valentine's day is one week from today...:::sigh:::...
what to do...what to say...what to feel...
a handmade card with colourful interior?
silken roses? (as real ones would die and that would hardly be the message i
was trying to get across)
one of those beany baggy creatures that resembles a hacky sack?
a thousand questions triplicated and filed under 'simple things you ask to
make a young boy sigh'?
a sexy pulp-mix tape with an underlying promise?
i am so terribly shy...maybe a postcard with lipstick traces...although i
don't wear make-up...so i suppose that wouldn't work...

valentine's is such a silly day...the only day i can think of that sounds any
sillier is st. swithen's day...does anyone know what st. swithen's day is,
diary? i certainly don't...i heard it in a billy bragg song...billy bragg will
keep me company next sunday...then i will not feel sad or lonely on the
supposedly most romantic day of the year...although, that seems rather
silly...if i were in a relationship i would make every day the most romantic
day of the year...so it would be a romantic year instead...

my adorable friend timothy brought me one of those little terry cloth hacky
sack animals...it was filled with beans and it was a lion named zulu...we took
him with us when we went to see the film 'central station' last night...zulu
took turns sitting on me and timothy's shoulders as he is very short and
couldn't see from his seat...he cried because it was so beautiful...zulu, not
timothy...he was very sad and i held him tight and we smoked a few cigarettes
and felt a little better...

i have been listening to edith frost today...i do so love her voice...she is a
little princess...

i made a mix tape for my english professor this evening...i included some
belle and sebastian...i hope that he likes it...

love, 
m. elise
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From pookie59 at xxx.com  Mon Feb  8 02:02:28 1999
From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 18:02:28 PST
Subject: Sinister: i'm stuart murdoch's third cousin,i think he owes me some money
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hi list,

report cards are giving out tomorrow,and i'm not looking forward to 
that,and of course,the internet is always the number one suspect in my 
slippage of grades. Tami,how come you did so well? why didn't i?i 
deserve good marks.i think it's more of a memory thing than stupidity,i 
have no memory,and when i take juice out of the fridge,i put it back in 
the cupboard,thinking it's the fridge,things like that.

i'm sick of not having money,i think i'm going to sell out. watch 
out,britney spears.. speaking of her...why did people get so upset over 
that prodigy 'smack my bitch up' thing,i think her 'HIT me baby one more 
time' would be more offensive..someone told me she's actually singing 
about sex,but still,it's the principal of the matter you know.

i have a hello kitty wallet,but i wasn't trying to be cool,i've had it 
since 3rd grade...my friend has a wallet made entirely out of duct tape! 
how amazing is that! no glue or stiches,all duct tape!

i saw both and hurlyburly and she's all that...i at least thought 
hurlyburly would be better,kevin spacey was fantastic,but sean penn just 
needed a frickin slap.it's a little numbing to hear that 'and the 1999 
prom king is' i mean...that's my class! we're going to be 99! it feels 
weird,like it seems i've always watched from a distance..or watching an 
80's movie,but now it's happening...you know,everyone talks about how 
tacky and trashy the 80's were..the 90's look just as stupid. My god...i 
mean i know a few kids who have cell phones,mostly just to be wannabe 
drug dealers..but sweet jesus! these movies!or is this just a 
california/l.a. thing?and who actually WEARS clothes like them? and i 
find the speech and constant 'what-ev' insulting.This is how my 
generation is going to be remembered by? Do YOU or YOUR friends say 
'what-ev'? if i ever did,it was only in an ironic fashion! they looked 
like losers in that funk-soul brother dance sequence.

i'm quite excited about this phone-up line over belle and sebastian! 
i've only ever called england twice,actually an english operator called 
me once and i thought it was a prank phone call,he got a little 
upset.hey is there any belle and sebastian phone numbers you can call up 
and hear stuart murdoch say sexy words,like lillihammer? you know,like 
the corey hart hotline! i shall call right now! '141'?? my! what little 
secrets the sinister souls hold! you mean,at any time,i can dial 141 and 
noone will know it's me?

>A belle and sebastian porn video!?! Is this really true, or some 
twisted
>tidbit schemed up by someone trying to tease listees into buying 
something
>unmentionable?

yes sam jacob,it's true. but it's not really a 'belle and sebastian' 
collaboration,sarah and isobel aren't involved. I swear it. I wouldn't 
lie. It's not really a 'porn' either. It's an adult art film,it's Art.

help,i need some names for characters in my film noir project,so 
far,i've come up with.

private investigator: Decective Murdoch
bad guy,who's cheating on his wife with femme fatale: Tony Pacino or 
Bugsy 
wife: Linda Pacino
femme fatale: Kitty or Honey or Tatiana

"Strapless bras are the abomination of society.Who could create such 
evil? I feel like I'm going to fall out of my dress,but at least I still 
look hot!" ------------------ Stuart Murdoch

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From pookie59 at xxx.com  Mon Feb  8 02:11:17 1999
From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 18:11:17 PST
Subject: Sinister: oh,how cute
Message-ID: <19990208021118.10873.qmail@hotmail.com>


i just dialled that number and instead of getting to vote for belle and 
sebastian some guy with a disguised low voice asked me what i was 
wearing. He said he is Belle & Sebastians roadie and has a big bum,just 
like Isobel's.

*sigh*
dear diary,is this what love feels like? i feel like i'm flying,flying! 
high in the sky with all the little birds around me.
maybe i'll even get a backstage pass.

oooooh!
xxx genie-v





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From Pulpbot at xxx.com  Mon Feb  8 04:17:10 1999
From: Pulpbot at xxx.com (Pulpbot at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:17:10 EST
Subject: Sinister: the only laugh that man will ever get in his entire life is by stripping off...
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...and showing his shortcomings. 
Saturday night started so promising, what with me showing up at my best
friend's apartment to find him and his g'friend huddled around the window with
all the lights off watching the naked man jerk off  in an apartment across the
courtyard. Mother warned me about furtive men lurking in the bushes. She
didn't say anything about fancy apartments near the White House. We watched
intently as he tried to spy on another neighbor with a pair of binoculars in
*one* hand and....seeing other people, indeed. To tease the poor beast (and
because we wanted him in the window closer to our apartment), we flashed the
lights a bit and the g'friend and I pretended to kiss. Our onanist
Frankenstein responded rapidly, with a show to make a Bankok fan dancer proud.
Granted, if it was my apartment, I'd hate this guy. Maybe me and the g'friend
lit the wick on this guy's delusion that women like his spy show, thereby
opening some very creepy doors. But the spastic manuevering of my mind, like
some horrible Camille Paglia/Mary Lou Retton hybrid, convinces me that this
guy makes a fool of himself and we're better of mocking and pointing than
cowering. Do the Julie Ruins out there care?
So, apologies to the lovely list people I sorta met at the D.C. Sloan show. I
was tired and empty-headed by the end of the show, and even a sugar-filled,
heart-shaped lolly couldn't revive my conversation skills. I'm quite jovial,
really, folks. I am not a cancer. My friend Mr. Lonely Highway as always
chatted like a demon. He's desperate for subscribers to his Shabba Ranks
fanzine, so he'll talk to just about anyone. 
Who's going to the D.C. Sleater-Kinney show? I got my tix today, woo-hoo! 

                                Ms. Pee-bot (what the nasty grade-schoolers
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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  8 10:50:17 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:50:17 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: white is the colour
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9902081038330.22615-100000@granby>




Dear listees :

I am just starting with the weather forecast for today: snow in Nottingham
and outskirts!First snow in 99!From my (huge and void)lab windows I can
see all the overseas students from tropical countries going really barmy
with their maybe first snowbalss ever, cute, isn't it? Snow is one of my
great loves in life.

Fluffy , this is a sign of your arrival from the frozen Northern lands,
sure. I just met my first Chris last Saturday, but he didn't look very
sinisterine, so it will be a surprise to meet yours in our piquenique...
Not any B&S news/contents at all, till the Brits big night ( with Melinda
or with Gail?)the list seems to be hibernating.Has anyone read Jarvis ( or
as I pronounce it with my Latin accent, Jarbis) interview for the
Guardian? Why this guy was so keen on sucess if sucess is such a drag? 

If I ever was talented for any artistic activity, my attitude would agree
exactly with Stu and co., if fact, it is one of my main reasons to like
them apart from Mike's trumpet.I cannot deny the allure of being
recognised but CELEBRITY and TINSEL,with headings and all, really frighten
me 

Not as shy as Mr Sensitive of the year in spite of the parragraph above,
not as outgoing as I look at first sight, somewhere inbetween but always
yours...


Arantxa



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From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  8 11:58:42 1999
From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:58:42 GMT0BST
Subject: Sinister: snow
Message-ID: <E109pL4-0002qW-00@nottingham.ac.uk>


Only seven posts yesterday, like the last bubbles in a bottle of 
lemonade. Maybe everyone was out throwing snowballs. As soon as it 
gets deep enough I'm going to steal a tray from the cafeteria 
and go sledging.
When I was twelve I went sledging down a big hill 
with some friends. My Dad was watching us and kept saying how much 
better sledging was when he was a boy, and if we let him have a go 
he'd show us how it was done. Eventually I gave him my sledge, which 
he sat on. He looked like an elephant standing on a little drum at 
the circus. "This is how you do it" he said, as he lay down face 
first and pushed off. Now my dad is slightly heavier than the average 
twelve year old boy, so he flew down the hill on this tiny sledge 
faster than anyone had before, with ice flying in his mouth, 
up his nose, and into the curls of his curly hair. 
Silence descended and jaws dropped as everyone turned to watch this 
slightly misguided grown man plummet to his doom. Snowballs stopped 
in mid flight. He bounced a few times, flew off the rather inadequate 
sledge, and skidded into a snowman. The snowman's head fell off and 
landed on his head and his pipe landed in my dad's mouth (no, sorry, 
I made that bit up). Anyway, it was dead funny, although my dad 
didn't quite see it that way - "ooh! Me back!" he cried and went to 
bed for a week.
Well, there you go - the perils of sledging. Play safe kids.
I hope it's snowing where you are.

Bye
	Robin
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From asbuch at xxx.edu  Mon Feb  8 12:08:22 1999
From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 06:08:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: white is the colour
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9902081038330.22615-100000@granby>
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YAY! A Roxy Music quote! (or Bob Dylan, depending on how you'd prefer to
look at it).

Ciao!

Heather, in Michigan, where it's snowy but not very cold.

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From bp224996 at xxx.edu  Mon Feb  8 13:32:35 1999
From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 08:32:35 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Snow & all sorts of other things
References: <E109pL4-0002qW-00@nottingham.ac.uk>
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Hm...
	I'm very jealous of you listees in Nottingham. We had one great week of
snow here some time back in January, but since then all we've had is
cold but not freezing temperatures, accompanied quite often with a
bitter breeze and a cold rain. Miserable. Stupid Athenian Winter...
	I don't know why other people haven't been posting, but I've been
tong-deep in developping chemicals and assorted other project. If you
don't believe me I've got Dektol all over my hands to prove it. 
	In the meantime I've replaced my Sinister time in an unusual way. One
of my big, brown buttons was torn from my favorite coat, and I haven't
had time to get it put back on. Right now it's sitting on my desk. I
have this oral fixation, which is why one day I stuck it in my mouth and
began blowing air through the little holes. Over a very long process, I
learned how the air pressure, tongue placement, and all sorts of things
like that, could make the button produce various notes. So now I've
become perhaps the world's first button player. It's easier to play it
backwards (sucking air in through the holes) and when I do it sounds
sort of like a slide whistle. The downside to that is that I often lose
my breath. Playing it forwards is harder, but I've done it. I like to
play along with whatever I'm listening to, and though I'm usually not
on-key, switching notes is surprisingly easy, if not surgically exact.
I'm figuring that I could double up Sarah & Isobel's melodica playing on
various songs.
	If you think that's strange, there's a performer from around these
parts who learned how to play a tampon applicator. I'm not kidding, but
quite serious! Even stranger was the story he gave as to why he tried
his hand at it. Hehe, so usually he stops at some point in his set and
asks the women in the audience if he might have a tampon for the various
musical purposes. Several times when we went to see him, my flatmate
brought tampons specifically for the purpose of providing them to him.
Yeah, okay, I'll quit talking about it...
	Of B&S...Honey mentioned, no Stevie songs on the new album. Hm... would
that mean that "Wrong Love" is gonna be on the single? I think it is
safe to assume that this is a possibility. Hm...well I would love to
chat some more, but if I do I'll be late for class, so I should put some
clothes on and make some breakfast.  
 
 /"\_/"\_/"\  Mick McMick/Sandcastle Records <<->> bp224996 at ohiou.edu 
 \         /  Sandcastle Records Homepage:                ICQ#5056758
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  |       |   "I am always wishing to make people   
  |       |       in the world happy with my smiles."  
  |       |           -Mr. Friendly

PS> Sledging, eh? We've shortened to to "sledding" (n. sled) here in the
US. Funny how those little differences pop up...
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From denisep at xxx.ie  Mon Feb  8 14:37:15 1999
From: denisep at xxx.ie (Denise Power)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:37:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: I'm sorry if ma frrrench was bad !
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990208142815.30791B-100000@orca.ucd.ie>


If anyone can get the ref, I'll be so-o pleased.

Hello and welcome, 
I'm back after a long spell of a disappointing and
hurtful lack of mail. But pressing matters first :

I'm going to Edinburgh this summer (possibly forever, who knows what could
be out there for me) but my friends, they are only going for the summer.
We have kind of got accomodation sorted out but jobs now, hee hee, well
that's a whole new matter.

I don't expect people to go rushing out to recruitment offices, praising
me to death - it's just that I feel like I'm sitting on my arse doing
nothing while the rest of them are rushing around trying to get it sorted.
In a way I have an excuse (my finals ) but it's kind of like using it to
get out of doing the washing up, and like my parents I think they are
getting a wee bit cross.

Low down :
4 irish girls (all twenty - I think)
good workers
great lovers

Do you know of any jobs , regardless of how crappy that we can apply to ?
Please ????
When I get the replies, cause I know I will , you're all so-o nice like on
Seventh
Heaven , that programme that you start watching for ironic reasons and
then become addicted to; I wish I was friends with Matt Camden, he's so
dreamy...well replies, nice or nasty, will be informed of the subject ref
!
Although you all probably already know anyway. Pooey
toodle ooooooooooh
waiting for you to do all the work so I can get credit and money
dee
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From JMoorkens at xxx.ie  Mon Feb  8 16:55:03 1999
From: JMoorkens at xxx.ie (Joss Moorkens)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:55:03 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: silly competition
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Hi all.
Sorry about the silliness of my competition. I was very bored. I really need
a new job. Anyway, the winner - as chosen by my co-workers - was Dave
Jygsaw. Mainly because one of them objected to the use of the word 'onyx'.
Here is his handiwork to enjoy. 

There was a nude man on a scooter
He rode around waving his gooter
I spied him; said "Gee
that's something to see
I'll doubt that there's anything ruder"

:-) Joss
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From rbegbi at xxx.com  Mon Feb  8 16:48:21 1999
From: rbegbi at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:48:21 -0500 
Subject: Sinister: Bugger...
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Forgot to ask -- does anyone have any details about Looper's performance in
Avalanche on March 12th?  Cause that's the day I arrive back in Scotland for
a week's drunken debauchery, and it'd be a pretty nice way to start the
week.

All info shoved somewhere savoury.

Gottago -- I'm busy ripping my "Muppet Hits" CD for MP3s.

Rod.

-- 
Rod Begbie
Work: rbegbi at sapient.com  Play: rod at begbie.com  Vox: (617) 761-1753
Assorted Nonsense: http://www.begbie.com/

"He's like a Bill Gates without a Microsoft"
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From rbegbi at xxx.com  Mon Feb  8 16:46:53 1999
From: rbegbi at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:46:53 -0500 
Subject: Sinister: The building has been surrounded
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Tipped off by some rather suspect e-valentines (JJ & Keef, I reckon), I fort
I'd have another keek through yonder Sinister archives.  Yet another rousing
discussion to be found -- this time based around my flatmate's bizarre
techno-exhibitionist streak.  You should all be ashamed of yourselves -- You
didn't even leave an offensive message in Scott's guestbook.

Ms Kemp -- You have a lot to answer for.  Such cruelty from someone I never
even got to meet!

FWIW, You'll be lucky to catch me on it, cause I usually switch the bloody
thing off when I use his PC.

But for $2.50, I will sell copies of the AVI I recorded the night he brought
a ladyfriend back.

Oh, and tune in Friday at about 8pm EST to see our fabulous "Losers with no
Valentines" party.  Currently looks like about 20 blokes getting pissed and
bitching about girls.  What fun!

Laters,

Rod

PS. Who's doing the T-shirts with my photie on?  Cause a load of my friends
want to buy them.  And I want commission.

PPS.  What's green & invisible?  This cabbage --->

PPPS.  Anyone in the Boston area want a copy of Modern Rock Song, cause I
got two by mistake.

-- 
Rod Begbie
Work: rbegbi at sapient.com  Play: rod at begbie.com  Vox: (617) 761-1753
Assorted Nonsense: http://www.begbie.com/

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From cchaffin at xxx.org  Mon Feb  8 17:54:42 1999
From: cchaffin at xxx.org (Christa Chaffinch)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:54:42 -0500
Subject: Sinister: you don't have to sue me to get my pants off
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I want Rod Begbie to be my Valentine, but I already have a date.
booo!!
I had a dream last night that the list went on an utterly sinister
field trip
and we were all fighting over who would get to row the boat. (we were
at a lake you see).  Master Murdoch was getting a bit stern with us
for the
arguing, and we, in fear of getting a harsh rap on the knuckles,
quieted
down.  Very very odd indeed.

Maybe tonight Rod will make a guest appearance.  Heehee!
A girl can only dream...

-christa
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From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  8 20:29:24 1999
From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:29:24 +0000
Subject: Sinister: foxy in the snow
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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Mon Feb  8 23:27:57 1999
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:27:57 -0500
Subject: Sinister: The Wall
Message-ID: <199902081828_MC2-69B3-4BAC@compuserve.com>


Hi Pop-pickers,

Funkyseb wrote:

        Anyway, that Nick Drake doc.........Mind you, I didn't know that
the wall from
        that photo shoot was in Battersea, (mah manah.) I shall be spending
my time
        off searching the streets of SW11, kids, and I'll report back when
I find it.
        Maybe even with some photos. 

I wouldn't bother if I were you, cos according to the biography the wall
belonged to a factory called Morgan Crucible in Battersea, and neither the
factory nor the wall are still there. Come to that I wouldn't bother with
Gay Dad either, as I don't think they have much to do with being young.
However, they maybe do have to do with being as good-looking as Sweet.


B&S? - I phoned, I surfed, I voted. 

I haven't seen our Stuart with red hair, but I do keep imagining him
singing Lucinda Williams songs. Does anyone know of a cure for this?

Goodnight,

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK 
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From gary.parkinson at xxx.uk  Tue Feb  9 00:55:47 1999
From: gary.parkinson at xxx.uk (Gary Parkinson)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:55:47 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Someone left the cack out in the rain
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19990208081217.36076f7c@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>


Hey you kids, stop that rock 'n' pop!

Mick McMick: re - buttontunesmithship. <<So now I've become perhaps the
world's first button player>> I'm sorry, but I'm abso-bloomin-lutely certain
that many ages ago our very own Roy Castle, from 'Record Breakers', mastered
the button, the toggle and yes the press-stud. Roy was great. Roy could play
anything: a chair leg, an old lady's face, the arse of a small dog. And now
he's dead (unrelated events, I'm certain). And all to the tune of that great
poptune 'Dedication (that's what ya need!)'. However, my band are always
looking for new talent. So if you could work your way up from button to
zipper, who knows?

So there I was, returning to my palatial pile on the outer crust of
Manchester (called 'Mamucium' by the Romans, meaning 'breast-shaped hill',
apparently, but that's the latin temperament for you), weary and sore from a
hard day's cock-fighting, to find Stuart Murdoch rummaging through my drawers.

"Hey!" I cried, "What's the meaning of this?"

To whit the red haired interloper replied, "Why, it's a pronoun denoting a
person or thing near at hand, just mentioned or about to be mentioned."

"Oh. OK." I said. "Fancy a cuppa? It's Earl Grey."

And that's how I got into Belle and Sebastian.



Erm. Sorry, I'll have to go, I'm rejecting my transplant.

Keep yer hands on yer ha'pennies.

Cheer,

Gazzoid.



np: Buckaroo

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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Tue Feb  9 12:36:42 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 04:36:42 -0800
Subject: Sinister: sugary tea
Message-ID: <004e01be5428$d9ffd640$1b11020a@rebelstrange>


<Subject: Sinister: I'm sorry if ma frrrench was bad !

If anyone can get the ref, I'll be so-o pleased.

OO-wee!  *giggle like a girl*  why it's Petit Isobel's poupee de son du
sessiones noires  or whatever you call it, i'm sorry, my french is really
bad.   But when i hear that bit i feel all funny, like when we used to climb
the ropes in gym class.   ooh that accent every time......shiver,  what
could it beeee........ oh i'm so very lonely.    reminds me, i'm on a
mission to learn all the  france gall songs, so when i find a ye-ye dress
one day, i'll be all prepared to step out on the town.   anyone know where
to find the lyrics??

I'm all shoulders for the valentine sadness, It's me and the dashing art
girl this year, only she doesn't know it, doesn't have the clue that i've
been traipsing around campus in a daze, staring at her spine and her ears
while i'm  getting weepy to Is it Wicked and Summer WAsting.   If only she
knew i'm sure her heart would break in sympathy.  i'm considering stuffing a
secret admirer valentine into her camo duffle bag one of these days when
she's not looking.  then i'll turn around and see her on the arm of a jock
arsehole wearing skater pants and a Offspring t-shirt.  pretty fly for a
white guy, indeed.  Aint' it always the way!!!   I have no chance.  she's
lively, and i'm antisocial and melancholy...so melancholy........ maybe
Isobel will be my valentine this year.  we can pretend can't we??

anyone ever hear Cardinal?? the  band. i think they were from Ozzie.  down
under that is.   eric matthews and richard davies both have the softest most
musical voices, nearly as sweet as dear stuart's, and hazey toonz to die
for.  i just thought of it. recommended.  i also realized that murdoch could
well have written the beatle's Eleanor Rigby.  trite?? yes.  that's me.

the tiggerjammies are fresh and sugary and waiting to be heaped on your
plates, all you luvvly ones who are waiting.  don't despair, soon your lives
will be filled with love and laughter once more, oh yes and whining about
art girls of course, couldn't do without it.

christa dahling, i had no idea that the RODDDD was another one of your many
loves ;oD  and by the by, if my wrists  break before tomorrow afternoon, i'm
all up for our kickass summer GRRRRLZZ road trip.  sinister to the core
BAYBEE!!!  Is it Wicked?? Hell YEAH!!!!  Grab your best girly (that'd
be...??) pedal to the medal, next stop winslow arizona!!  Tap the Rockies!!
um no...  SUUUURRRRRRGE!!!!  the time for Young Foolishness is now.

genevieeeeeevie, you make me laugh out loud, AAAAAAGH!!!!!!  too much. kiss
kiss luvvy.   I wrote a villanelle today, tho't i'd share that.    i forgot
what else i may have wanted to say.  Pinckney Benedict.

"They clearly need to Feed the Rush, Slam a Stack, and drink from their
wide-mouth Slam Cans."

http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange
"Everyone begins to get desperate and panicky, and all of a sudden,
everything they never understood, they want it all explained"
--Ms. Buffat, my HS chemistry teacher

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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Tue Feb  9 14:29:55 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L  (ug))
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:29:55 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: 141, Snow in Soho and Jarvis' philosophy
Message-ID: <116DF9642B30D1119D530000F800DC37023336B8@exchs3.lse.ac.uk>


A word about 141:

In the UK (I don't know if they have such things in the US) you can call
1471 if you hear the phone and you somehow miss it, or if you get back and
wonder if anyone phoned you while you were out. A recorded message or
mechanised voice tells you what the number is and when they called, so that
you can phone them back.
Some people in the UK don't want people to know their phone number (for
whatever reason) so if people can just ring up the operator and find out who
called them last, naturally these shy people (don't laugh - my parents are
"ex-directory") have to have a function in order to conceal their phone
number. (It's also a magnet for burglars "casing the joint" - but that's
like saying you can't sell kitchen knives because someone might just stab
someone else with it rather than use it to cut up meat). So 141 (I haven't
figured out when you dial it) means that you can tell the operator that you
don't want your number to be recorded.

But I'm sure that's what you meant anyway.

As for Jarvis, sadly he has been ruined by success, and I'm not saying that
in an elitist kind of way. That's why I don't fancy him anymore. That said,
he's got every right to feel like that.... imagine if you got to make love
to your dream guy and imagine how you would feel if you had to do that every
single night - it would get so that you've got everything you wanted and
you'd got nothing left to look forward to. (Like the feeling I always get on
Boxing Day). It's the difference between having a dream and living it,
sometimes you want to get back to normal. So I don't hate him for being that
way, I just feel sorry for him. Also, Enoch Powell (yeah, I know, bastard,
but hear me out) said that "all political careers end in failure". Jarvis is
aware (unlike many other people) that he's got nowhere to go but down. I
suppose. But it's good that he's doing stuff for the TV and using his fame
to further his interest in art. 

As for here in London, because of the heat of the buildings and the river,
it snowed in Soho last night (don't ask me what I was doing in Soho, please,
it's too painful: I lost my wallet, keys, diary, everything; I was at a
private function at a comedy club and someone got as pissed as a newt and
wandered off with my handbag and I only noticed it had gone at the end of
the evening when all the lights came on), but by the time we came out of the
club at midnight most of it had melted and the stuff that hadn't was all on
top of cars and motorbikes. One poor soul left his motorbike out in
Lincoln's Inn overnight and he'll get a very cold rear end if he tries to
sit on it! It's probably snowing at home in Bedford right now, and I'm
missing it! We were in Moscow over New Year (a long story) and it was - can
you believe this? - not snowing. I mean, that's like the middle of the
greatest landmass on Earth, and it didn't f...ing snow!!

Anyway, gotta go (hey I just got post! cool, I don't have to go and do my
essay for another minute or so)

Louise l.stanley at lse.ac.uk


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From NeilD at xxx.uk  Tue Feb  9 14:40:47 1999
From: NeilD at xxx.uk (Neil Dewhurst)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:40:47 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: What B&S did next?
Message-ID: <704AE307AB53D2119EE300805F7DF755111774@NCMSERVER>


Before I get into the meat of this message - DavidJ2502, who seems to like
random numbers said...

...and just because I don't identify with him as a public schoolboy (near)
Oxbridge graduate doesn't mean there isn't beauty in the songs. So there.

Which is true, although it doesn't necessarily mean that if you were a
public schoolboy and near Oxford Graduate then you would find beauty in the
songs.  Aside from the beauty of the string arrangements, or the
tunesmithness of songs like Hazey Jane II, and my privileged education, its
the aching loneliness and the displacement signified in songs like Place to
Be and Time of No Reply that get my likkle heart strings a-tugging.

And after that pretension, some B&S content.

I was wondering to myself what sort of musical direction the third album
could take (knowing that my wish is Stuart's command), and I have decided
that a couple of completely acoustic songs would be ideal, perhaps with
multi-layered guitars and delicious backing vocals - perhaps by bringing
Robyn Hitchcock along to a few recording sessions.  Failing that, a huge
blow-out number like Lazy Line... but with the length of two TIJAMRS's with
quiet bits, loud bits, and a randomly placed F#m 7th suspended 9th followed
by, I don't know, any chord I suppose.  Nick Drake folk-guitar tunings
should be used at all times, as should Ladysmith Black Mbazo or whatever
those baked bean advertising musicians are called.  To my knowledge Phil
Collins has not been sampled on any B&S track, so it's about time a bit of
the baldy drummer cum actor's talents were employed.  "Another day in
paradise" would be ideal, as would the song which for some reason seems
destined to be lodged in my head for ever, giving me a hard eternity of an
afterlife when I leave this fine world - namely "Against all odds".

Perhaps Stuart Staples and Isobel should sing a number together.
Perhaps I should shut up.

OK.

Ta for now my Breetish chums, and my international friends,

Neil
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From denisep at xxx.ie  Tue Feb  9 14:13:33 1999
From: denisep at xxx.ie (Denise Power)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:13:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: quick on the mark
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Oh you're all very quick-witted, I have to say. Well done you, pats to the
back all round, on me.

But unfortunately my threat/promise/gift thing was rendered futile by your
excellence because I intended to use my intense and deep-rooted knowledge 
of belle and sebastian's little quirkisms to aid my future prospects. 
The tantalising treat of being told what the ref was was supposed to make
you dash off, finding out how for instance, I could get work in the
edinburgh arts fest or something. But no , you are all such clever clogs
that that approach failed.
Some of you may have noticed my bizarre syntaxical method of
communicating. Having done a snooze inducing essay on the differences
between sex and gender (and boy are there differences) I had to view this
gender configuration from a modern Irish poet point of view. These poets
are so difficult and having absorbed myself in their endless whinges about
sex and gender etc, various syntaxical differences were observed, thus my
own syntax is currently under scrutiny.

Oh shut up me, all I wanted to say was is'nt it odd the way I said was was
and then that that and it wasn't a typo.
More wordy quizzes : 
Does anyone like the word multisyllabic because it is what it is ?
variations on this theme will be accepted graciously.

belle and sebastian content :

oh there's nothing I can think of... no wait there is.

You know "the boy done wrong again." Of course you do , what am I saying 
, well there's some line , I never read the lyrics unless I'm trying to
avoid someone's glare , but there is some line that says something like
"cry your life away" well I think it would be better if it was "cry your
laughy way."

and also in "Dream of horses." there's some line that I always think is
gonna rhyme with eleven and be seven  , ie she's been with boys since she
was seven (this is from memory in the very distant , you could say archaic
past) but it's "since she was young." The only reason I'm mentioning it is
because the same thing happens me with a Leonard Cohen song only I can't
remember what song...I'm waffling am'nt I ?
ET, zahousen telephoneireann.!!!!!
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From ETLRDHY at xxx.se  Tue Feb  9 08:10:20 1999
From: ETLRDHY at xxx.se (ETLRDHY at xxx.se)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:10:20 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Snow schmoh
Message-ID: <41256713.002DBF75.00@notes.ericsson.se>


Dear all,
     Snow, snow, snow. No!!!!!!! I hate the snow. It's cold horrible and
you inevitably end up falling over, ripping your favourite trousers and
looking like a complete maniac. What's good about snow eh? 'Ooohhh It looks
so pretty!!!' Buy a postcard, go to Switzerland. And as for all that 'Fox
in the Snow' crap that's suddenly started appearing everywhere I'll just
say one thing. Was this so called fox in the snow happy? eh? was he? NO!!!
he wasn't, he was cold and hungry and he wanted to go home to play 'catch
the chicken' with all the other foxes but he couldn't could he. THINK ABOUT
IT PEOPLE!!!!!!!
Retards Richardxxxx

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From Gntlmn1220 at xxx.com  Tue Feb  9 19:11:10 1999
From: Gntlmn1220 at xxx.com (Gntlmn1220 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:11:10 EST
Subject: Sinister: Need Set List.. or ... will... die...
Message-ID: <2093329e.36c0884e@aol.com>


To all delightful listees,
I have a question to ask all of you wonderful people... Does anyone out there
have the definitive set lists for the November 1st and November 2nd shows from
the Supper Club?  I desperately need the names of a few of these songs...

Please tell me, or I will die!

Yours,
Joshua
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From evanbear at xxx.com  Tue Feb  9 22:53:05 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:53:05 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Sparklehorse
Message-ID: <36C0BC4F.48C23E9C@javanet.com>


well, it only took 4 friggin years but i finally have a new sparklehorse
album to listen to
godamn this is one hell of a record
and the videos on the enhanced cd are mighty spiffy
one of the songs called "Sick of Goodbyes" is quite a bit like Wilco,
Golden Smog, Jayhawks and all those nd popsters, and is a muy cool song
i could see being played on 120 minutes about three years ago or
whenever it was last halfway decent (perhaps itll get played once or
twice in the second hour like the "Wicked" video
but never any real plug
the first song on the record could spend some time on mtv if it werent
for all the naughty words
oh i think i might know what Sparkle Markle's fav album might be: Velvet
Undergound self titled (not nico), he quotes it again on this album last
time he quoted loosely "Pale Blue Eyes", this time "Candy Says", and he
always builds well off of the lines

also there's a new web page at www.sparklehorse.com

also i found the Bonnie Prince Billy cd with one with the birds which
will work its way on my cd after i cant handle anymore sparklehorse
(something about sparklehorse makes me feel all gooey and kinda sad but
not really, just weird and i cant usualy handle listening to him for too
long, same thing with tom waits, nick drake, vic chesnutt and many
others)
so thanks for the offer Joss but im all set (|=-)
wunnerful music listening while i write papers tonight

B&S content: ummm...nah forget it
------Ev
np-Sparklehorse-Good Morning Spider
-- -----------------------------------------------------

I would feel much better
If I knew you got this letter
'Cause the road that lays between us
Is one week long
And I don't have the bread
To come and see you now
---"Letter To Bread"-- Scud Mtn. Boys

my home page:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/dixiecluck

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From bfundak at xxx.edu  Wed Feb 10 06:16:21 1999
From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:16:21 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Closet Belle and Sebastian Fan?
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990210011621.0084f100@mail.bgsu.edu>



I saw Henry Rollin's tonight and he told a story about taking an Irish
woman to a Dokken show who's regular cup of tea was "Belle and Sebastian
and things like that."  he didn't slag them when he had the opportunity to
do so, so i think he may be a closet fan.

Brandt

Looking for a new sig.  Not clever enough to think of or remember a good
one. Sorry.
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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Wed Feb 10 05:03:06 1999
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:03:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: belle and sebastian in the laundry room
Message-ID: <v01510101b2e6589b1602@[128.122.74.21]>


so on sunday i was doing my laundry, after a fairly prolonged absence due
to business and a lack of desire to hang out in the laundry room.  which i
ended up doing.  so while i was leaning against the washer, waiting another
washer which i could pounce on, i looked around.  the decaying condom
machine (now honestly, who wants to get their birth control from a machine
that looks like it was put up around the '50s and has survived numerous
floods, but only just barely) to the bulletin board, sponsored by interview
magazine.  next to a sexy photo of an actor named paul rudd, who i don't
think i know, but may as he was looking so sexy he managed to cover his
face, there was a quote wherein he said something along the lines of, "you
can be masculine if you watch john wayne movies or masculine if you listen
to belle and sebastian.  and i do both."  aside from the lack of proper
grammar or anything, i was surprised.  i mean, the magazien chose to quote
this line, assuming college students would recognize b&s almost as easily
as john wayne.  then i was in a bookstore today, looking at a copy of the
acid house.  as i was reading the back, where they had the credits and
whatnot, some of the bands from the album were named.  belle and sebastian
were named fourth, before primal scream.  at first i was glad, but is it
wrong to feel a little sad?  i loved having something beautiful for myself,
something that i could share with a few people and wonder about.  the band
certainly haven't been corrupted or anything, but there's something
wonderful about stuart murdoch coming to mailing list picnics, and having a
group of people who know a band and can share it's name amongst themselves
like a secret handshake.  i don't mean to offend the new people, you all
are probably quite easily as lovely as any other listees i've met.  but
something about the first few is the sort of thing that probably won't
happen again.  do i make sense?  maybe it's all the work and the grey day,
i don't know.  time for bed.

xoxo
megan

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From kshank at xxx.net  Wed Feb 10 08:15:43 1999
From: kshank at xxx.net (Ketan Shankardass)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 03:15:43 -0500
Subject: Sinister: waiting for the off-chance that rollins will cover "fox in the snow"
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my gosh...

    if Henry Rollins is a b&s fan then that changes everything...why?
i'm not sure...yet!

    (allow me to work through this one)

    you see, no offense to the henry rollins massive (i too found henry
to be quite insightful at one point in my life), but in recent years
henry has been the butt of almost every joke made on my radio show at
school.  if there's nothing to talk about (and therein, to apply a
"rollins" joke to) then we may simply say somthing like, "uhhh...i think
henry rollins is in town tonight" and then laugh.  i know it sounds mean
and disrespectful but it's really beyond his music(etc.) at this
point...i honestly haven't heard anything by the man since 95'-ish...he
has become, like the queen of england herself, a figure-head standing
for anger (are they the same thing?), which is almost opposite
to what my show is about.  anyways, the pointis that if henry rollins 
is a b&s fan, then i'll simply have to find a new "anger"-posterboy...
hmmm, how about that guy who owns the WWF...isn't he on some wrestling 
music album that wasjust released?

...b&s story...(true!...not false)

    belle & sebastian recently cancelled a show in toronto, ontario,
canada...booo! soon after that occured, i was chatting with "Gord", the
guy who runs a local record shoppe in Hamilton, and i was asking if he'd 
gotten in TIJAMRS....he didn't know that i was all that into b&s and so
he proceeded to tell me about how he had received 4 free tix to the
toronto show and couldn't find ANYBODY to give them away to!!!  this 
man runs a well-known indie sort of establishment and of all his 
regular customers he didn't know of one b&s'er...yikes!  recalling 
this story has a message...make vocal your affection for the things 
that you, in fact, love in life...whether it's b&s, henery rollins, 
jello pudding, cellular phones, collecting old newspapers or your crush 
(well maybe that one's a bit touchy...we must take care to not come off 
as stalkers now)...you never know who you'll meet or where you'll 
go in life...(or what shows you'll see for free!!)

    take care

ketan

ps. i'm currently pulling an all-nighter writing a philosophy paper on
"God" that's due in a few hours...that may explain the contemplative
nature of my message.

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From brier at xxx.com  Wed Feb 10 09:41:49 1999
From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:41:49 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Esme would you shut the door and put the oil lamp on the floor...
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Well, well... not exciting news to most of you, but maybe to a few: I got to
meet Natalie Merchant backstage after her concert here in Santa Barbara...
she was sweet and funny and not shy.  I also have gotten into Mojave 3 and
their album "Out Of Tune" and would like to take this moment to recommend it
to you all.  What else?  Oh, I love Slow Grafitti and the organ line in it.
And the Auteurs MUST be listened to.  Shit, this is the kind of post I
delete on a regular basis.  Just wanted Honey to keep me out of the
nursery's purgatory by posting every once in a while.  Maybe we should call
the law, or maybe we should call the child's parents.

I love you until the end...

Brier

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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 10 12:28:32 1999
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:28:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: I was dreaming when I wrote this, forgive me if it goes astray...
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Henry Rollins isn't the only one. In this month's Q magazine there's an
interview with the Bare Naked Ladies, and their singer defends himself
against charges that his lyrics are overly clever by saying that he really
likes Morrisey, the Divine Comedy and Belle and Sebastian, and that they
all have great lyrics but don't get slagged off for it.

And while I'm at it, in the new Select magazine there's a map of Glasgow
showing all the B&S-related sights (the studio, the Church Hall etc) to
help prospective stalkers find their way around.


Dear diary:
Sorry, nothing interesting happening today.


Big Stu



That was a remarkably short message by my normal standards, so I'd better
elongate it by talking pointlessly about how short it was in order to keep
up the tradition. There, that ought to do the trick.


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From 9503208p at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 10 13:34:49 1999
From: 9503208p at xxx.uk (Sarah Jane Philp)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:34:49 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Re: selective dreaming
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From:           	Stuart Gardiner <skg21 at xxx.uk>

> And while I'm at it, in the new Select magazine there's a map of Glasgow
> showing all the B&S-related sights (the studio, the Church Hall etc) to
> help prospective stalkers find their way around.

why?
whywhywhywhy?

If anyone can think of another case of such a thing being printed in 
respect to some other band please tell me. Justification is needed.

sorry i cant go on i've come over all indignant. in the case that Mr 
Gardiner was just making a joke i am dutifully humiliated.
sarah*

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From twinkle at xxx.net  Wed Feb 10 14:53:20 1999
From: twinkle at xxx.net (petula)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:53:20 GMT
Subject: Sinister: I was dreaming (barenaked ladies)
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At 12:28 PM 2/10/1999 +0000, Stuart Gardiner wrote:

>Henry Rollins isn't the only one. In this month's Q magazine there's an
>interview with the Bare Naked Ladies, and their singer defends himself
>against charges that his lyrics are overly clever by saying that he really
>likes Morrisey, the Divine Comedy and Belle and Sebastian, and that they
>all have great lyrics but don't get slagged off for it.

Oddly enough, as I read this the 'Ladies came on the radio (it's all I've
got in the computer room for music). I feel like laughing and crying at the
same time. I would say "cheeky loser" except that it's more laughable than
anything else. So he thinks he's the Canadian equivalent of Belle &
Sebastian, hmm. More like the Canadian equivalent of "vindaloo". Sure, their
lyrics are clever, if you like gibberish that sounds like it was made up one
night a an illicit party in their parents' basement in Scarborough. Coooool. 

For years, living in Toronto as I do, we have had to put up with the "clever
antics" of BNL. Ooooh, they got banned from performing at the city's New
Year party because the mayor found their name offensive. Rebels.

And years ago, when I was interviewing the owner of Fun-O-Rama (a store that
sells vintage toys, etc.), I asked him for a celebrity story. He thought for
a moment and said that the Ladies had come in and were obviously dying to be
recognized. Morris (owner) didn't want to give them that satisfaction, so he
sat tight. So the lead singer piped up, "I wonder if there's anything
barenaked in here?" Ewwwww. He also said he once over-charged Bryan Adams
$10 on purpose, because he figured he could afford it. :) 

More recently, I wrote a journalism ethics paper on the state of music
writing in Canada. From what my sources told me, you can write a scathing
review of anyone--but if you say anything bad about Canadian artists, the
companies freak out. You're not patriotic, you're not supporting Canadian
culture. And as one article I quoted said, "we should be allowed to
acknowledge the Barenaked Ladies' success in the US and still say their
music is tripe." Which it is. 

>And while I'm at it, in the new Select magazine there's a map of Glasgow
>showing all the B&S-related sights (the studio, the Church Hall etc) to
>help prospective stalkers find their way around.

Someone took me on a little tour when I was in Glasgow in May. We went to
the Art School to see where the "pastie de la bourgeoisie" was
spray-painted, but it had been cleaned off. Waaah! 

15 days until Pumpkinny gets here, I'm aglow.
love,
elisabeth xxx

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From WarranderJ at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 10 15:09:05 1999
From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:09:05 -0000
Subject: Sinister: The Foxy Continental European Lady Taking Her Cloth
	es Off In The Snow
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Hello All,

A question was posed by Sarah Jane Philip:

>> And while I'm at it, in the new Select magazine there's a map of
Glasgow
>> showing all the B&S-related sights (the studio, the Church Hall etc)
to
>> help prospective stalkers find their way around.

>why?
>whywhywhywhy?

Er, presumably so the next time I'm in Glasgow I can get my picture
taken at all the appropriate places, to go on my wall next to the pics
of me at Salford Lads Club and The Pastels' Bridge.

>If anyone can think of another case of such a thing being printed in 
>respect to some other band please tell me. Justification is needed.

You used to be able to go on bus trips round Manchester to all the
Smiths' places of interest which I guess was kind of similar. Don't
know if they do that now but once a year you can go on a bus
tour of places in Manchester that have been in films which is more
or less the same thing. Then they show "A Taste Of Honey" at the
Cornerhouse and some bloke pontificates about it and always
makes a joke about how Rita Tushingham jumps on a bus, tells the
driver to take her to Salford, then gets off about 100 meters up the
road. It's a good way to spend a summer Saturday though and
there's always loads of foreign birds at these things. And foreign
birds are always taking their clothes off. Or so I've been told.

Anyway, since I'm here, what about that Nick Drake bloke? Dullard
or what? I thought that documentary was shite but I did quite like the
bit where some bloke said his lyrics never got passed sixth form
poetry. Never trust a songsmith whose words are described as poetry,
that's what I say. And why do all these "poets" die young? Did Tim
Hardin and Tim Rose die young? Are they both exactly the same as
Tim Buckley? I like to think so. I'd also like to think that Nick Drake
was the poshest man in pop. The Zombies were quite posh though.
They had 50 O Levels. Did Nick Drake have 50 O levels? I doubt it.
The Zombies recorded "I got my mojo working" though. That's not
very posh I suppose. Posh people don't have "mojos".

I like the way Continental Europeans wear their ruck sacks at the
front. I'm going to Continental Europe to watch them do it.

Other things. I saw Stuart Murdoch's todger on Friday night after
I followed him into some toilets. That was good. I wasn't really
prepared for him elbowing me in the ribs and commenting "better
out than in, eh?" but never mind. It took me a while to figure out
what he was going on about when he told me he was "just going into
this cubicle" and he'd be "leaving it unlocked". There's so much people
on this list these days there's bound to be someone stupid enough to
believe this.

Is Northy back?

I'm glad Rod's back. Maybe he could give us his verdict on Gwyneth
Paltrow's breasts? Better than Kate Winslett's? Rod knows about these
things. He has friends he talks about it with. Some of them are female.

I saw "Shakespeare In Love" and it was bloody marvellous. Up yours
"Saving Private Ryan".

Up yours Delors,
Love...John
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From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com  Wed Feb 10 15:21:21 1999
From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:21:21 EST
Subject: Sinister: I saw a Tigermilk for sale
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On the rec.vinyl newsgroup list someone in the UK was selling an original for
325 pounds.

Pete G.
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From lilac_wine93 at xxx.com  Thu Feb 11 00:13:44 1999
From: lilac_wine93 at xxx.com (simon barr)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:13:44 PST
Subject: Sinister: I saw a Tigermilk for sale
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>On the rec.vinyl newsgroup list someone in the UK was selling an 
original for
>325 pounds.

I saw a tigermilk at the weekend for �120. I assumed it wasn't in very 
good condition but when I looked, the record and cover were absolutely 
mint.

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From ar981611 at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 10 18:52:51 1999
From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:52:51 +0000
Subject: Sinister: It's still not snowing in Paisley (but I did see a fox yesterday)
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It's true!  The rest of Scotland is white, but Paisley still seems
immune to it all.  But a fox ran down my street last night, so I saw a
fox out of the snow.  Does that count?

Anyway, down to business....

Keen list-watchers may have noticed I had unsubbed for a while, but I
was gently coaxed back by a couple of caring Sinisterettes, so I did. 
And what has just dropped through my mailbox but a rather odd mail from
Megan. I find it utterly bizarre that after all the recent
correspondence about Sensitive Stan type stereotypical fans that people
can still be so precious about Belle and Sebastian.

Quote  " i mean, the magazien chose to quote this line, assuming college
students would recognize b&s almost as easily as john wayne...."
and continuing "...i loved having something beautiful for myself,
something that i could share with a few people and wonder about.  the
band certainly haven't been corrupted or anything, but there's something
wonderful about stuart murdoch coming to mailing list picnics, and
having a group of people who know a band and can share it's name amongst
themselves like a secret handshake.  i don't mean to offend the new
people, you all are probably quite easily as lovely as any other listees
i've met"

Words fail me.  People DO know who Belle and Sebastian are, it's not a
secret society, and I for one would love it if EVERYONE knew and loved
them as I do.  Anyway, there are what, 5 billion people in the world and
900 of them are on Sinister.  I don't think we've reached stadium-rock
status yet, you know.  Out of interest, I looked back at the archives
from the start of Sinister, and it wasn't very on-topic then either. 
But it was fun, and it sometimes still is.  And had I only discovered
Belle and Sebastian last week or last month, I would consider them to be
every bit as wonderful as I do now, and it would make me no lovelier a
listee than I consider myself to be now.  Which is not very at the
moment, as all I seem to do is moan. I am sorry, I really don't want to
be all moany, and I could have done this privately, or run off crying to
Honey, but I wondered what you all think, am I the only one who actually
wants people to like Belle and Sebastian?  Should I not have voted for
them for the Brits in case they end up on "Brit Awards '99" compilations
with Steps and Billie, and people start to like them and Stu M won't
come out to play with us any more?  I get so angry when I see people
being precious about music because they liked it first and by their
logic must like it more.  It's not big and it's not clever and I thought
we were better than that.

I promise my next mail will be cheerful and witty and interesting to you
all.  Well, I can but try.......

Ailsa xx

PS Oops, forgot my semi-B&S content.  Can anyone tell me at what time on
March 11th the Glasgow Looper in-store gig is on, and if it's a ticket
thing like Manchester?  Thank you !!
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From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 11 03:28:54 1999
From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 03:28:54 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Me too miss
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From turkout at xxx.net  Thu Feb 11 03:26:49 1999
From: turkout at xxx.net (turk)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:26:49 -0500
Subject: Sinister: CMJ Review and Charts
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The March issue of CMJ New Music, College Music Journal's magazine, has a
review of "This Is Just A Modern Rock Song."  Gives it a generally
favorable review, raving about "Slow Graffiti" - saying its "another of the
band's high points to date" - and praising the title track, while saying
that "The Gate" and "I Know Where The Summer Goes" aren't up to the usual B
& S standards.

CMJ's top 75 radio airplay chart has "The Boy With The Arab Strap" checking
in at number 43.   At number 4 is Stereolab's "Aluminum Tunes" and number 1
is Spiritualized's "Live At The Albert Hall"


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From bp224996 at xxx.edu  Thu Feb 11 04:37:35 1999
From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:37:35 -0500
Subject: Sinister: B&S Everywhere
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Hello...
	Well, I think Belle & Sebastian are now officially everywhere. Or at
least they were today. Firstly, while returning from lunch, I detected a
familiar sound emanating from the battered old speaker which thrust
itself proudly out onto the street from "Outer Limits." Outer Limits, by
the way, is a record store, and that familiar noise was, yes, Belle &
Sebastian, playing "Sleep the Clock Around." I found it a bit
surprising, as I usually only hear either A) Garage rock B) Various cool
60's records or C) Punk rawk coming from said speaker. The guy who works
there is mighty cool, though, and Magnetic Megan found an Orange Juice
7" there, so nyah.	
	Then I had bought my flatmates "Christmas" presents, to make up for the
fact that I had forgotten when it was actually Christmastime, and better
2 months late than never. One of them was a copy of Sinister, which my
flatmate loved, and actually said she was thinking about buying it. Hm,
I guess I've already done half the conversion work. 
	I am inclined to agree with the school of thought which says the more
B&S fans, the merrier. I kind of like that, and I like that at least one
of the bands I like best is one that other people like too. I guess I
shouldn't complain, it's not as if New Order had a shortage of fans.
Having said all that, no one's stopped me and said they liked B&S when
I've worn my shirt, though a B&S fan from Athens did come into the chat
the other night.
	However, I can also see that it is nice when you can see a band you
like 10 feet in front of you, talk to them and tell them you like their
music, and not see their eyes glass over, and even ask them to do a song
on a compilation you're doing without immediately getting turned down.
Or better yet, ask them a question about their band and they offer to
send you two 7"S and a flexi ;) That's just a lovely feeling, and I
don't think anyone could say that wanting that feeling is wrong.
	Having said that, I never felt that way about B&S, who have always
seemed to be a band that a lot of people liked, and somewhat
unreachable, though not entirely so. As a consequence, I never felt my
heart harden as they graced the pages of CMJ, who reported in this
week's issue about Tigermilk and the upcoming side-projects. And even if
one of the virtually unknown bands I liked became a big thing, it would
only make me happier. There's always someone unknown doing something
interesting and new, after all.
	Incidentally, I was just at my office hours today, and I perused said
new issue of CMJ. Indeed, Spiritualized are nowhere to be found on the
charts (though you won't find me lamenting) and I believe Ani Difranco
is at the top. I'm pleased to note the Mojave 3 album is number 3
though. B&S are still in the top 50 somewhere, after I believe 21 weeks.
	And on the subject of how the next album will sound... B&S have never
seemed like a band which reinvents themselves to me. I expect the 4th
album to be a very similar record in sound to previous ones, with
perhaps a slightly differing tone to all the songs. Perhaps this is
because they put all the most different-sounding songs on their EPs?
Certainly with 3...6...9 and Lazy Line Painter Jane in hand you could
claim this, but you might have to hide TINKERTOYS behind your back and
cross your fingers when you said "Yeah, *all* of the EPs."

fweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
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From turkout at xxx.net  Thu Feb 11 04:56:06 1999
From: turkout at xxx.net (turk)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:56:06 -0500
Subject: Sinister: B&S Everywhere
In-Reply-To: <36C25E8F.ABFD4A24@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
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>	Incidentally, I was just at my office hours today, and I perused said
>new issue of CMJ. Indeed, Spiritualized are nowhere to be found on the
>charts (though you won't find me lamenting) and I believe Ani Difranco
>is at the top. I'm pleased to note the Mojave 3 album is number 3
>though. B&S are still in the top 50 somewhere, after I believe 21 weeks.
>

i take it you are talking about CMJ's journal sent to radio stations??
Their magazine, CMJ's New Music, available to the general public and at
book stores and magazine stands has Spiritualized at Number 1, and Mojave 3
nowhere to be found...i believe the charts published in New Music, which is
a monthly publication, are probably a bit behind those in the trade journal
sent weekly to the stations....and checking my back issues, as i have been
quite lax at reading them lately, has Belle & Sebastian at a high of #13 in
the radio airplay charts in December...the only issue i have at home now.

turk




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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Thu Feb 11 05:06:15 1999
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:06:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: in defense of myself
Message-ID: <v01510102b2e7acbe0814@[128.122.74.21]>


hi again

i don't normally consider myself the sort of person who's at all
controversial, so i was a little surprised when i received both positive
and negative responses about my last post.  i didn't mean for anyone to
take what i said as some dogma, or in fact a statement that b&s have sold
out or anything, in fact i specifically said that they *haven't* changed.
or that the fan base hasn't, other than the fact that it's larger now.  i
dind't say that i felt the list had changed, except that it's grown larger.
nor did i say that's bad.  but the truth is, humans generally are
reluctant to change.  i haven't left the list, i still love it.  but
there's a difference between the heady days of discovery.  i've known belle
and sebastian for over two years now, and the truth of the matter is that
they can't excite *me* as much as they did in my initial days of discovery,
if only because i nkow the songs now, they're expected. they aren't the
beautiful surprise they once were.  this is muddled i'm sure.  but it's the
nature of life.  when i hear a new ep, a new song, i get that same
beautiful thrill that i once did when i first fell in love with judy or
jane.  but... don't you understand?  things change for better or worse, and
it's not wrong to share.  and if i miss that, it doesn't mean that i'm
elitist.  at least, not by my definition of the word.  i'm not going to cry
and i don't think that i'm better than anyone else.  it's just that the joy
of discovery is gone.  does that muddle it more or explain it?

if you still don't understand, that's ok.  with 900 people, it's ridiculous
to think that everyone will.  but i never said that i wasn't ridiculous.
;)

xoxoxox
megan

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From mctag at xxx.com  Thu Feb 11 12:10:30 1999
From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:10:30 GMT
Subject: Sinister: 10, Roddington Place
Message-ID: <36c2baea.2529052@post.demon.co.uk>


Hello Losers,

Make your bloody minds up - one minute you're wittering on about your
knickers, and the next you go all awkward and shy, kicking your heels
and looking at the floor.

I'm in London, and tonight I'm going to meet the Fluffy one cos she's
in London too.  I want Tim to come along, does anyone know his number?
Anyway we're going to talk about us whippets and eccles cakes and
drink ale wi'bits in it, and scare the big Southern Jessies, and then
we're going up the East End to kick the crap out of Millwall fans.
I'm not really,  I'm just a fake Northerner, just like I'm a fake
Scotsman.  In fact, I went to public school with Nick Drake.  Well, he
went to public school and I went to the comprehensive up the road.
About 15 years later.  But it's the thought that counts.

If in doubt, talk about Rodd.  His return was quite enigmatic and
low-key, I thought.  I hope he's OK.  I've been worried ever since the
Roddcam watchers reported him looking sad.  Makes me want to pop him
on me knee and say "Rodders, what ails you child?  What tales have you
to tell since I saw you rosy of cheek and seductive of wiggle at
Heathrow Airport last year?"  Still, Mr Mrs Warrender John says he
wants to get a Roddd tattoo because Mrs Warrander John already has a
"Millwall  - Kick to Kill" tattoo, and he doesn't want to feel left
out.

For newbies, the subject line is a nod to the golden age of Sinister
before all you crap Johnny-come-latelies turned up, when "Espadrille"
and "Debbie" thrilled us all several times a day with their one word
replies.  Happy, happy times.

Love Tag x
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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 11 12:45:10 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:45:10 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: pantos, lacrosse, red ties
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9902111227530.21046-100000@granby>




Dear list :


I have spent these last six monts  trying to find some connection
between B&S songs and my daily events, and when working hard, I nearly
managed to do it every day, so I could post some message to the list
assuring a high B&S content, at least to fulfil most listees expectations
and not to become one of the dearest-diary line addicts...

But the lesson such a practise has taught me is the possibility to relate
any event in my life to some topic apparently totally disconnected if I
try,and I have discovered some...mmmm, intellectual pleasure in such a
mental exercise. Lately I have been playing to find some Malory Towers
content in everything and it is incredingbly succesful...

Let's me explain : Malory Towers was one of my obsessions when being aged
9 / 12.And one of the motivations to work at my English lessons at school,
I am afraid.I wanted to become one of them, and Nottingham University is
the closest I have been to my dream . There is even a Lacrosse team! So,
in the last few days, (not Enid Blyton readers, don't read the following
lines!)I have found someone pretending to be ill to death to avoid exams,
as evil Gwendoline always tried; a pretty girl too careful about her
appearance discovering how rewarding sport teams are, in spite of broken
nails, undone hair and sweating clothes,and long conversations about how
interesting teachers can inspire and convert their pupils ( have you read
'Last year in St Claire' with the English teacher and the girl called Anne
Marie ? Really unavoidable stuff about influencing teenagers...)

Anyhow, there is some connection with B&S, everything is connected, that's
my prophecy! What about Isobel with her pleated grey skirt,white blouse
and red tie arriving at Malory and becoming that year's fairy in the
Christmas panto? I want a film about it! Let's do it! And Stuart could do
a shy girl with problems at home and missing her pets and manage to hide
and breed a squirrel at the Lacrosse courts dressing rooms, skipping the
rules.We already have 'We rule the school' as perfect soundtrack 


Pleading forgiveness for such a pack of nonsenses. I am in a funny mood
because my glasses will be ready today! 

L-O-V-E

Arantxita



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From RAnder3567 at xxx.com  Thu Feb 11 15:11:05 1999
From: RAnder3567 at xxx.com (RAnder3567 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:11:05 EST
Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake and B&S in the Wall Street Journal!!
Message-ID: <29aa99d2.36c2f309@aol.com>


I'll confess to being shocked yesterday to see a reasonably well thought out
piece on Nick appear in The Wall Street Journal, a most unlikely "place to be"
! 
Much of the piece is given to discussing artists influenced by Nick, including
Elliott Smith, Mark Eitzel, and the Red House Painters. "Replicating Drake's
sound isn't the goal of his disciples, though the band Bell and Sebastian's
"The Boy With The Arab Strap" at times sounds so much like Drake that it's
easy to think they've dressed up his old recordings with synthesizers and
drums."
It's also mentioned that Joe Boyd is working on a compilation of Drake songs
performed by those influenced by him.
Regards,
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From tzuckerman at xxx.edu  Thu Feb 11 06:34:47 1999
From: tzuckerman at xxx.edu (The Trainspotter)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:34:47 -0500
Subject: Sinister: laudry room etiquitte and jewish boys that my 'rents want me to marry
Message-ID: <005b01be5588$b0c0ef60$102196d1@jubilee>




Paul Rudd is a doll and oh so sweet.  I've played with him on the phone. you
probably do know him but don't remember, he was the brother of cher in
clueless and the gay boy in object of my affection with jennifer aniston.
He tried to convince me that I should go see every movie with tony randall ,
erm, I mean tony curtis.  - I think.  it's really late.

and to have some belle and seb more content - it's interesting to see what
people compare other artists to, for instance, on Momus' little red song
book, there is a little sticker, saying if you like this artist, try:  and
they have belle and sebastian on there, as well, hefner have been compared
to belle and sebastian mixed with pavement (I decree they're more like
neutral milk hotel's half-sibling but I digress).

and oh, I got into a fight on the uk-indie list about belle and sebastian.
ooh, kitty fell.

ciao!

-teri

http://hampshire.edu/~tdzF94/ -  Inspired by the writings of the
eighteeth century Venetian gambler, eroticist and spy.

"The day didn't go too well. Too many chocolates and cigarettes, I kept
thinking of you and almost walking into lampposts." Pulp

-----Original Message-----
From: **Megan Lehar** <mkl206 at xxx.edu>
To: sinister at majordomo.net <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 2:28 AM
Subject: Sinister: belle and sebastian in the laundry room


>
>so on sunday i was doing my laundry, after a fairly prolonged absence due
>to business and a lack of desire to hang out in the laundry room.  which i
>ended up doing.  so while i was leaning against the washer, waiting another
>washer which i could pounce on, i looked around.  the decaying condom
>machine (now honestly, who wants to get their birth control from a machine
>that looks like it was put up around the '50s and has survived numerous
>floods, but only just barely) to the bulletin board, sponsored by interview
>magazine.  next to a sexy photo of an actor named paul rudd, who i don't
>think i know, but may as he was looking so sexy he managed to cover his
>face, there was a quote wherein he said something along the lines of, "you
>can be masculine if you watch john wayne movies or masculine if you listen
>to belle and sebastian.  and i do both."  aside from the lack of proper
>grammar or anything, i was surprised.  i mean, the magazien chose to quote
>this line, assuming college students would recognize b&s almost as easily
>as john wayne.  then i was in a bookstore today, looking at a copy of the
>acid house.  as i was reading the back, where they had the credits and
>whatnot, some of the bands from the album were named.  belle and sebastian
>were named fourth, before primal scream.  at first i was glad, but is it
>wrong to feel a little sad?  i loved having something beautiful for myself,
>something that i could share with a few people and wonder about.  the band
>certainly haven't been corrupted or anything, but there's something
>wonderful about stuart murdoch coming to mailing list picnics, and having a
>group of people who know a band and can share it's name amongst themselves
>like a secret handshake.  i don't mean to offend the new people, you all
>are probably quite easily as lovely as any other listees i've met.  but
>something about the first few is the sort of thing that probably won't
>happen again.  do i make sense?  maybe it's all the work and the grey day,
>i don't know.  time for bed.
>
>xoxo
>megan
>
>mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu
>
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From sleeka_sounds at xxx.com  Thu Feb 11 15:20:07 1999
From: sleeka_sounds at xxx.com (Sleeka Sounds)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:20:07 PST
Subject: Sinister: The Story Generator
Message-ID: <19990211152009.29413.qmail@hotmail.com>


Dear squirrels, hello it's me, Chris.

For those of you who weren't aware, I used to write stories about Belle 
and Sebastian.   These have recently ground to halt basically due to 
lack of time and motivation.  Literary Expert Anne Ward suggested I 
write a computer program to generate them, so I set about it.  Here is 
the output from my intelligent MISSY computer, like the one in War 
Games.

Login: CLEONARD
Password: ***************

Welcome to the Corporation Network, Mr. Chris.  What shall we do today?

>MISSY GENERATE STORY

Certainly, Mr. Chris.  Who will be the main character in the story?

>MISSY STRUAN MURDOCH

As always, Mr. Chris.  Shall this be a happy or a sad story?

>MISSY HAPPY

Would you like any adult content in this story?

>MISSY NO

That's all I need to know, Mr. Chris.  Press enter to continue...

<MISSY GENERATE STORY>
<CHARACTER = "STRUAN MURDOCH" TYPE = "HAPPY" SWEARY = "NO">
<GENERATE LOCATION . . . . . GROVESNER CAFE>
<GENERATE TIME . . . . . . . VALENTINES DAY>
<CALCULATING . . . .>

Here is your story, Mr. Chris. 

STRUAN'S BEST DAY
=================

Struan Murdoch sat by himself in the Grovesnor Cafe, looking at his all 
day breakfast.  He wasn't looking at his breakfast because it was lovely 
(even though it was), he was looking at it because he didn't want to 
raise his head.  You see, the rest of the Cafe was full of couples in 
love - it was Valentines day.  And Struan didn't have a Valentine, only 
a sausage and two eggs left.  "Oh, it's not fair!", he said to himself 
"when will someone fall in wove with me!".

"But everyone loves you Struan", said a little voice from below.  Struan 
looked at his plate - his two eggs and sausage had taken on the shape of 
an all day breakfast face.  It was talking to him!  "Can't you see 
Struan, everyone loves you because you're great!".  "Weally, all day 
bweakfast face?  Then why wont anyone sit down beside me?  Why Why 
Why?".

"Look again, Struan".  Struan looked beside him to see a very pretty 
girl who handed him a daffodil.  "Will you be my valentine, Struan?"  
"No", he said.  The girl ran away crying.  Another girl, even prettier 
sat down beside him and gave him a love heart balloon.  "Struan, will 
you be my valentine?".  "No" he said.  She ran away crying too.  Yet 
another girl came and sat down beside him.  This girl was rather plain, 
with lank hair and spots, and she smelled bad.  "Will you be my 
valentine, Struan?".   "Yes I will!  Let's go for a walk in the park!", 
shouted Struan.  He was delighted.  

Just as they were leaving the all day breakfast face grabbed Struan with 
his fork hand - "I have to know", he said, "why did you knock back those 
two beauties for this boiler?".  "Simple", said Struan, she's the chef 
here, and I like all day breakfast more than I like girls!

They both had a laugh, then Struan scoffed the rest of his meal before 
leaving.

END

>Logout

Hmm, needs a bit of work but getting there,

God bless you and keep you,
Christopher

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From fatslug at xxx.com  Thu Feb 11 16:08:51 1999
From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:08:51 -0000
Subject: Sinister: B&S in Basingstoke library!
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The Tagliest of Tags spoke thus:
> I'm in London, and tonight I'm going to meet the
> Fluffy one cos she's in London too.

Ooh, I think I might go too, but I don't know if I can
be bothered because I'm on holiday this week, and it's
a lazing around at home doing nothing type of holiday.

I was lucky enough to enjoy the company of the most
crushable fluffy star yesterday though, and we
investigated the drinking holes of Guildford.  The
Mambo Bar sounded promising, and had bright colourful
swirly lights and tropical trees inside, but the music
turned out to be Celine Dion instead of cheesy
loungecore.  Bah!

And while I was out I got an email from the Helen
Shapiro fanclub!  In fact I got about twenty emails
from them!  All to help with the John Schroeder
website that I am inexpertly working on.

What lovely people, I'm so glad that no-one else has
heard of John Schroeder, apart from me and the Helen
Shapiro fanclub.  He wrote "Walkin' back to Happiness"
you know.  What perfect pop song that is.

I just went to the library and there was a big display
in there with all the Brits nominee's names and little
accompanying biographies.

I guess once you get your name pinned to the wall
everywhere from the Basingstoke library to a New York
launderette you do qualify as being a pretty well
known band.  I don't think that Megan was being
precious though, in fact I agree with what she said, I
do want B&S to be hugely successful and for as many
people as possible to get a chance to enjoy their
music, but there's still a little part of me somewhere
inside that feels kind of...

I guess a suitably twee analogy would be releasing a
fox cub you'd rescued back into the wild.  You know
it's got to happen, and it's the right thing to do and
everything, but part of you still wants to keep it
just for you, and cuddle it, and kiss it, and I'd
better stop there hadn't I?

Kevan
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From sburon at xxx.fr  Thu Feb 11 16:41:15 1999
From: sburon at xxx.fr (Stéphane)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:41:15 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake and Jude
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Hi List...

Just wanted to add something to the Drake thread, since i've got nothing to do
and couldnt even hear/see this documentary you're all talking about..

RAnder3567 at aol.com wrote:

> "Replicating Drake's
> sound isn't the goal of his disciples, though the band Bell and Sebastian's
> "The Boy With The Arab Strap" at times sounds so much like Drake that it's
> easy to think they've dressed up his old recordings with synthesizers and
> drums."

Here is what was written in Magnet, two months ago: "Murdoch hadnt even heard
Drake before his name started popping up in their reviews. 'Stuart said I'm going
to have to hear this Drake character' says Colburn... 'He didnt really dislike
it, but he didnt go buy an album, either"
That's it...

And now a question: has anyone heard of Jude? I just heard a song by them, and it
sounds really really good.. I thought they must be fans of Belle and sebastian...
Un fortunately, I couldnt find their album yet.

Cheers

Stephane

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From lapis at xxx.edu  Thu Feb 11 16:36:46 1999
From: lapis at xxx.edu (dave cohen)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:36:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: french tv broadcast
Message-ID: <199902111636.LAA02252@pobox.upenn.edu>


	was the vid of the black session broadcast on tv in france on the
	3rd?  i didn't see any mentions on the list and a quick search of the
	list archives for feb. didn't turn up anything??

	if it was broadcast -- any reviews?

	and does anyone have a tape?

	--lapis

	NB: this is about the tv broadcast not the radio broadcast...
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From mkorchia at xxx.fr  Thu Feb 11 18:05:04 1999
From: mkorchia at xxx.fr (Michael Korchia)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:05:04 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Gig in paris
Message-ID: <36C31BD0.B054DD3@club-internet.fr>


If some of you are interested & around paris tomorrow friday (9 pm),
there'll be a gypsophile/Gilles Weinzaepflen Gig in
le couvent
69 rue broca
13eme arrondissement
Mo Les gobelins

I'll even play the bass with Gypso, & Watoo Watoo may play a couple of
songs too.

(& it's free)
__^o^__
Michael Korchia  mkorchia at club-internet.fr
Watoo Watoo Homepage : http://www.multimania.com/watoo/
Mumbly Homepage  : http://www.multimania.com/aurore/emumbly.htm


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From evanbear at xxx.com  Thu Feb 11 19:15:15 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:15:15 -0500
Subject: Sinister: sparklehorse again (no b&S sorry)
Message-ID: <36C32C41.ECD1B736@javanet.com>


hi if anyone in the us is curious
Sparklehorse is touring with Varnaline (very cool if perhaps a bit too
gritty for some people here)
the dates are online at:
http://hollywoodandvine.com/sparklehorse
or i could email them to anyone interested (im hoping to make the Boston
show on 4/16)

i just realized how many albums are coming out on feb 23rd
built to spill, paul westerberg (yaay), sebadoh, other stuff im
forgetting
k thats it
some day ill have some B&S content in my posts
------Ev
np-wamh college radio station from amherst college(cordelia's dad just
came on (really cool song from Comet) yaaah frame drum w/ fiddle
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From alix.campbell at xxx.net  Thu Feb 11 21:25:10 1999
From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:25:10 -0000
Subject: Sinister: i am not a pervert today
Message-ID: <00d901be5605$18d39fe0$117ca8c2@big-comp>


hallo, my lovers


has anyone left a sinister cd in the KA in oxford? cos, there's one been
handed in. gave me a right start, to see it looking at me, i was getting
myself a drink from behind the bar, and suddenly, i wus apprehended by a
very familiar square object. yes, someone had thrown some toast at me again.
apparently, if no one claims it, i can take it home, and nurture it. i don't
think any of
you though would be so careless though, to lose it. but if you have, i know
where it is. anyway, that made me grin for the rest of the afternoon, and i
was hardly rude to any customers. even the one who asked for 'a ciabatta
baguette' ..but i digress. it means, obviously that b&s are absolutely
everywhere. like a nasty disease, in my opinion. yeh!  tarnation indeed. i
so
wanted to be in a secret society. i'd
roll the leg of my flares up at the drop of a hat. ooh, i just have, in
fact.
no, it's a bit chilly, to be honest, so, until i get some legwarmers, it's
no
secret society pour moi. or the rest of you, do you hear? it's darn brassic
weather, and you'd better watch out which odd sartorial rituals you perform.
i'm reading a book about logic. none of it has worn off on me, evidently.
logic, it would appear, is about taking things, especially sentences, apart,
to see if they are
true. i ask: 'where's the point in this?' a question which could easily be
applied to this message also.  i respect steps. the laydeez in steps have
proved that you don't need tits to get far in pop. neither tits nor original
songs.

exercise 1. underline all the lies in the above passage.  then go home.


lav
alix.x


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From polystyreneman64 at xxx.com  Fri Feb 12 01:54:32 1999
From: polystyreneman64 at xxx.com (Dan McKinney)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:54:32 PST
Subject: Sinister: Jude
Message-ID: <19990212015432.20580.qmail@hotmail.com>


>And now a question: has anyone heard of Jude? I just heard a song by 
them, and it
>sounds really really good.. I thought they must be fans of Belle and 
sebastian...
>Un fortunately, I couldnt find their album yet.
>
>Cheers


G'day listees...

Yes indeed, I've heard of Jude.  Jude is actually the brainchild of one 
guy, Jude Christodal, from the Boston area.  He's released two albums, 
both on Madonna's label Maverick, which have earned some airplay on 
college radio here in the US.  The first album is called 430 N. HARPER 
AVE., which I think earned Jude a bit of critical acclaim but rather 
shoddy sales figures.  The second, NO ONE'S REALLY BEAUTIFUL, has had 
two rather hit-caliber singles on college radio, at least here (western 
New York).  The first single from the album, "Rick James," is a parody 
of the singer Rick James, known for his piece of trash hit "Superfreak."  
I didn't really care for it.  The second single is actually VERY good, 
it's called "I'm Sorry," and it shows great vocal range and 
melody...lyrics are quite secondary to the melody, but, based on the 
merits of the song, I'd say that Jude has pretty good potential.  

As far as any comparison with Belle & Sebastian, I certainly don't hear 
it, but I couldn't say that Jude isn't a fan for sure...

ooh oooh now I have a question for the group.  sorry if it's been asked 
before, but I was just wondering why people compare B&S with the 
Tindersticks.  I don't think they sound anything alike, and I absolutely 
cannot stand Stuart Staples' voice, whereas I adore our Stuart's voice.  
just wondering...

~Dan

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From eliam at xxx.edu  Fri Feb 12 02:59:01 1999
From: eliam at xxx.edu (Marie Elia)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 21:59:01 -0500
Subject: Sinister: "all i wanted was to sing the saddest song"
Message-ID: <199902120250.VAA27253@pellns.alleg.edu>



hello, sinisterites... okay, post three.  see?  i can keep track b/c  
it takes so much for me to get the guts to post....

anyway, perhaps someone already mentioned this, but i was reading  
Rolling Stone today (which is absolute crap, and even though i  
haven't renewed my subscription, they keep sending it...), and there  
was this interview with Pavement, about their new recording, and they  
said they produced "pretty much hard rock, with a couple wussy songs.   
That way we can still reel in Belle and Sebastian fans."  this sort  
of makes me... well, unsettled... i haven't listened to a whole lot  
of pavement, but i've pretty much liked what i heard, but this  
comment irks me quite a bit.  like, "hey we can tap into a fan-base  
of senstive indie rockers if we tack on a few sappy songs" or  
something.  i detect sarcasm, but why joke about these things?  


anyway, i am languishing away here in western pennsylvania...  
although it was very sunny and quite lovely today -- an oddity for  
february...  kids were wearing shorts!  


now i will sign off... but first, kisskiss to the always-more-often  
poster here in meadville, kimmy!  incidentally, kimmy and i went to  
see "she's all that" the other night, and it was very sad.  as in,  
pathetic -- don't do it!  you will only lose faith that there might  
still be awkward, shoe-gazing, collage-making, book-reading kids out  
there... ones that DON'T harbor a secret desire to become "popular."

okay, i will mercifully end now.  for real.
take care,
marie

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From winboog at xxx.net  Fri Feb 12 05:10:42 1999
From: winboog at xxx.net (Robert Morris)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:10:42 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Saddest Song
Message-ID: <003801be5646$0ac90c00$de1e29d8@winboog.gis.net>


>anyway, perhaps someone already mentioned this, but i was reading
>Rolling Stone today (which is absolute crap, and even though i
>haven't renewed my subscription, they keep sending it...), and there
>was this interview with Pavement, about their new recording, and they
>said they produced "pretty much hard rock, with a couple wussy songs.
>That way we can still reel in Belle and Sebastian fans."  this sort
>of makes me... well, unsettled... i haven't listened to a whole lot
>of pavement, but i've pretty much liked what i heard, but this
>comment irks me quite a bit.  like, "hey we can tap into a fan-base
>of senstive indie rockers if we tack on a few sappy songs" or
>something.  i detect sarcasm, but why joke about these things?
>
>

   If this concerns you, i recommend that you stay clear of all Pavement
interviews. They are notorious mischief makers with the press.  A website
exists that just keeps track of all the lies they have told. The Belle and
Sebastian comment seems pretty inocuous compared to some of the other things
they have claimed.

                     Robert Morris
                     winboog at gis.net
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From evanbear at xxx.com  Fri Feb 12 06:33:42 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:33:42 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Jude
References: <19990212015432.20580.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <36C3CB44.7B51B188@javanet.com>


<<<I was just wondering why people compare B&S with the
Tindersticks.  I don't think they sound anything alike, and I absolutely

cannot stand Stuart Staples' voice, whereas I adore our Stuart's voice.
just wondering...>>>

i believe its because both bands spend so much time with the
arrangements of their music
the voices are but one of the instruments involved and the music
otherwise can be quite similar (at least in the instrumentation)
and the music of both bands is romantic in its own way
b&s is more of a coy flirty whatever and tinderstuart is more dark
mysterious sexy guy or something
i dunno im tired i shouldnt have responded tonight
but tindersticks and B&S have a hell of a lot in common once you get
past the voices
tindersticks aren't as cutesy
its like the tom waits nick drake thing
but i wont say anything about that
B&S is like great chamber music and tindersticks a great symphony
there i should have just said that
now that i have ill shut up and sleep
i wish i had a cookie
----Ev
np-highlander on tv (the episode where Darius gets killed i think i
might cry hehe, i bet a lot of people on here reeeeeally hate
highlander)
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To come and see you now
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From lee at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 12 10:01:24 1999
From: lee at xxx.uk (Lee)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:01:24 -0000
Subject: Sinister: territorial pissings
Message-ID: <002e01be566e$a6a9f4e0$e97138d4@bentley>


Arrrgghh the email demons wont leave me alone.

The nights are getting lighter, good news for us seasonal depressives and
Vampire Slayers. Anyway, I haven't been able to get to grips with new events
in the world of Belle and Sebastian (due to the afore mentioned demons).
>From what I gather from you lot is that there's going to be a brand new
album, a brand new old album, and a brand new 2-track single (that isn't
very good?, how come you've heard it?), as well as a looper album, and a
Gentle Waves album. Is that right?

Did the Jeepster people get whips for Christmas or did they just lock the
band in a cupboard under the stairs until they wrote an album each? Anyhow a
commendable work ethic.

I hope all this is true (the release part, not the whips part). I've never
heard anything off tigermilk, just to lazy to join the tape trees that come
and go I guess, and I don't trust any of you either, Mrs Murdoch told me all
about you internet perverts, you might stalk me or something :o). So to ME
tigermilk  is going to be a NEW album, that means I get something that many
of you will miss out on, well sort of.

I've also head talk of a Peel session, or have I missed that? I hope not.

Now on to other matters...I like the 'wrong girl', and 'the gate' by the
way, and I think without everyone in the band doing what they do then they
wouldn't be Belle and Sebastian, my favourite song at the moment is Century
of Fakers: StuartM is clearly a very talented singer/songwriter, and Isobel
and Stevie also sing great backing vocals on that song. What I like best is
the second guitar parts, surely this earns stevie some respect (however if
it wasn't him who plays this... STEVIE OUT, STEVIE OUT.) I like the bass
lines in all the songs, and the drummer (whatsisname) is an unsung (except
in TIJAMRS) hero of mine, I don't own any other records with trumpet solos
on so thumbs up to Mick, I'm not sure about the recorder though, but why
not?
In conclusion Stuart Murdoch is not Belle and Sebastian, not to me anyway:
think Gestalt, it helps.

And another thing while I'm at it. I'm not a new fan, and I'm not new to
this list, I wasn't their in the beginning but I wasn't far behind. You see
the thing is I don't mind new fans and I'm not precious about music, there's
more important things right?. Yet I don't want people to call me a new fan
if Belle and Sebastian make it big (or bigger at least), i think it's human
nature, I'm not usually nasty and territorial. The question is what can you
do to prove you were here before the people cared (childish I know), not
much really. No one will believe you when you say I was there in 1995, it's
like Nirvana at Reading, Woodstock, Spike island. We need a secret
handshake, something easy to remember because I'll forget.

Well I'm off to check out the jeepster site to discover what I really should
know. Then to the RodCam to get my kicks. Oh one more thing, what's the best
'hefner' stuff to get, and what's the best 'built to spill' stuff to get,
it's about time I brought a new record or two.

lee


Question 1. (In a new series of erm..Questions).
What do Belle and Sebastian have in common with SaltnPepper (the rap group
not the stuff that you sprinkle on your soup) ?

It's not a crime to know the answer!
Answers on a post card to the usual address.


P.S. Is/Was Sensitive Stan Stuart D taking the piss?










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From lee at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 12 10:02:42 1999
From: lee at xxx.uk (Lee)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:02:42 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Fw: The boy with the arab strap review (hey, better late than never)
Message-ID: <003901be566e$d5696cc0$e97138d4@bentley>





>Good Morning List,

Now I don't know if this has been sent to you before, I looked in the
archives, but not very hard. Anyway this is from the Guitar Magazine
(September), if your conjuring up a stereotyped guitarist image of me in
your head I assure I DONT have long permed hair, a leather jacket and a
plectrum in my wallet.

Review by Rick Batey....

Belle and Sebastian
The Boy with the Arab Strap (Hannibal)?

Belle and Sebastian, the famously reticent Scottish acoustic-based
seven-piece conglomerate with the Replacements-style media aversion, plainly
don't give a toss what decade it is. One minute it's 1986 (Marr-shaped
strumminess, jazzy Roddy Frame solos), then the mid-'60s (three chords,
poker faced Nico vocals), then crikey, 1972 (T-Rex boogie, handclaps), then
1996 with shy warbling over gloomsome Tindersticks orchestrations.

Your view of such eclecticism will largely depend on the ground you're
standing on. Seen from pop's grassy knoll, they're utterly charming - a
dollop of Animals That Swim's trumpet-led urban literacy here, a squeeze of
Vic Chesnutt's whimsical, home-made ethic there. Seen from a fokier angle
where cellos'n'stuff are less of a big surprise and excellence is usually
judged more worthy of praise than awkward naivete, B&S's shambling style can
sound offhand and some of the singing is plainly too weak. But the best of
the boy with the arab strap transcends both stances: Sleep the Clock around
is beautiful and strangely Eno-ish; the Stax-tinged Dirty Dream #2 comes
complete with funksome Steve Cropper guitar; Seymour Stein's delicate
electric strumming and wavering Hammond sounds abit like Dylan and the Band.
Sweet.
**** (4 out of 5 Stars)


Sorry if this has been done before.

lee (again)




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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 12 11:25:52 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L  (ug))
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:25:52 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake - at last!
Message-ID: <116DF9642B30D1119D530000F800DC37023336C3@exchs3.lse.ac.uk>


Hey!

James Errington came over on Tuesday night and shared the wonderful sounds
of Nick Drake avec moi. I know what you all mean now: it was difficult to
decide whether he had just put on a B&S tape by mistake (although I didn't
recognise any of the songs). Is it just me or are musicians nowadays
concentrating on the style of their songs and ignoring the sheer achievement
of writing a catchy song... Divine Comedy's new one is brilliant, but it
lacks the clarity of "Casanova" and the sheer audacity of "Something for the
Weekend" and "In and Out of Paris and London". Ditto Pulp, who have never
managed to surpass "Babies" or "Common People". What would any of you think
was the 90s "Hey Jude" or "Back in the USSR". OK there have been songs like
"Parklife" and the above, but generally bands are going more for the elegaic
50 minute album rather than the catchy ditty. Or maybe I've just been
listening to too much folk music - "All Around My Hat" and so on and so
forth.

In response to "The Duke" (any relation to Doonesbury?), I remember being
sat at a desk in a French lesson someplace or other and looking at it, to be
honest I could tell that the school hadn't replaced the desks at least since
the sixties because there were "Beatles" and "Elvis" and "Stones" scrawled
on it. I was in love with Pulp back then and I was heartened to see "J....s
Coc.er" written, although they'd done it in ink so it had rubbed off. Being
the epitome of Adam Ant's "Goody Two-Shoes" I didn't replace it with
anything, but given my reckless behaviour in the last two weeks or so I'd
have done it right now. However, me scrawling the name of the guy I am in
love with on the desk might give political students and fellow members of
the Labour Party palpitations so I won't bother.

Ciao for now

Louise l.stanley at lse.ac.uk
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From jordi-tv at xxx.com  Fri Feb 12 09:10:58 1999
From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:10:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: SteviDirty Dream #2 comes
        complete with funksome Steve Cropper guitare´s guitar
Message-ID: <19990212121058.HM.00000000000C8xc@mixmail.com>


In that guitar magazine they wrote about the comparisons 
between stevie�s guitars and the ones from Steve Cropper. 
Some months ago (at the date of the TWATTYBUS release), the 
spanish magazine Rock De Lux made an interview to Stevie and 
he said that he�s a fan of the Memphis blues, and Steve 
Cropper (i�ve never heard anything from him) is his 
favourite. So the comparison is right.



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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 12 13:14:25 1999
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:14:25 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian gig details - FESTIVAL CONFIRMED!!!
Message-ID: <36C42931.E875FF85@jeepster.co.uk>


Hi all ...

here's the press release for the fest!

************************************************************************

BOWLIE WEEKENDER

APRIL 23RD - APRIL 25TH 1999 @ CAMBER SANDS HOLIDAY CENTRE UK

CONFIRMED LINE-UP

Belle & Sebastian
Mercury Rev
Pavement (tbc)
The Divine Comedy
Cornelius
The Delgados
Broadcast
Sleater-Kinney
The Pastels
Godspeed You Black Emperor
Looper
Vic Godard
Cinema
V-Twin
Camera Obscura
+ more to be confirmed

Tickets are £85.00 (eighty five pounds) for a weekend pass to include
festival entrance and chalet accommodation.  The capacity is limited to
2,600 and will go on sale on Saturday 20th February 1999 exclusively
available from Ticketweb, either by phone on 0171-771-2000 or online at
http://www.ticketweb.co.uk

Apartments must be booked as a complete 4,5,6 or 7 bed unit. A £25.00
(twenty five pounds) refundable damages deposit will be required from
each person on arrival at the site and will be refunded when leaving the
site.

*BOWLIE WEEKENDER* - the explanation!

The idea for this festival came from Stuart Murdoch and Neil Robertson
from the Belle & Sebastian camp whereby they wanted to take over a
holiday camp and stage a festival over a weekend with exciting new and
already established bands of their choice.  The location for the site is
The Camber Sands Holiday Centre in Camber Sands between Hastings & Rye. 
It is set to take place on April 23rd until April 25th.

Tickets are being issued as a weekend pass only as the allocation is
limited to 2,600 and will be sold as a package where you gain entrance
to the festival but this will also include a chalet apartment with TV
and private cooking and shower facilities.  Each apartment sleeps four
to six people and everyone will be encouraged to take apartments with
friends as no one can take an apartment for four unless they pay for
four tickets.  This may appear to be too formal but due to the very
limited allocation and the proposed line-up it is likely to sell very
fast.  Apartments will be available from Friday afternoon until Monday
morning and a returnable deposit of around £25.00 will be refunded on
inspection of the apartment after the festival is finished.  The weekend
pass to include accommodation and festival entrance will be £85.00.

The live music will take place from Friday until Sunday with a club
night after each show with all ticket holders will be able to make full
use of all the facilities which include catering outlets, late bars
until 4am, Go-Karting, Swimming, Playstations etc.  And the beach is a
7-minute walk from the site.

The live music will be divided into two stages.  The main stage has a
capacity of 2,300 people and the smaller stage has a 950 capacity.  Both
are indoor venues so this defeats the general weather concerns that a
lot of festivals encounter.  Each person that purchases a ticket will be
advised that the rooms have strict capacity and entrance will be on a
first come first served basis as to avoid overcrowding.  There is a
third smaller venue with a bar on the site, which will have video
monitors broadcasting live from the main stage as it happens.

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so there you have it!  we understand that there might be some of you out
there that may be travellling a long way on your own or just with one
mate and booking a four bedroom chalet is going to be a bit expensive
for you.  so the best solution we can offer is for you all to be able to
speak to each other and group up into fours - a bit like school camp!

to help you with this, we're going to make a new message board on the
belle & sebastian site which you can use to post and respond to requests
for space + mates to share with!  this will probably be online on monday
15th february, so check out http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/
then!

(please note, this will be unmoderated, but anyone abusing the board
will have their post removed)

we'll see you all there!

cheers,
Katrina + David
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From C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 12 13:22:38 1999
From: C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk (CMD LOO)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:22:38 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Glasglow nightlife
In-Reply-To: <36C42931.E875FF85@jeepster.co.uk>
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HIya Sinsiters

I will be makin a trip to Glasgow and Endiburg next weekend and I was
wondering anyone
can recommend some cool pubs/club to visit?  Where is 13th Note?  are
there any cool indie record shops in these 2 places?  Where is avalanche
record shops?

Please help.

Cheers

D    A    N    I    E    L    O    O


                  "It takes Strength to be GENTLE and KIND"
                  M    O    R    R    I    S    S    E    Y
        

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From WarranderJ at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 12 15:08:02 1999
From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:08:02 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian gig details - FESTIVAL CONFIRMED!
	!!
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It's nice of Katrina to organise everything so we can have a big
ANZAC day knees-up on the Sunday. Up the colonies. Backbone
of the empire. Will there be free ANZAC biscuits?

And why can't we buy tickets now? I'm not  a very patient man
you know.

Any Scandinavian chicks needing a big strong Scottish love-machine
to share a cabin with? Large breasts not essential.

And why isn't there a deluge of excited mails yet? Are you people
alive? I'm bloody excited. And I'm off home to look out my matching
Hawaiian shorts and shirt set right now.

And who are the 300 kind souls who're volunteering to give B&S a
miss then? Is that McRagTag's hand I see sticking in the air yonder?
A big gesture from a little man.

Let's get drunk and fight,
Love...John
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From eliam at xxx.edu  Fri Feb 12 15:49:49 1999
From: eliam at xxx.edu (Marie Elia)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 99 10:49:49 -0500
Subject: Sinister: how will i get there?  i don't know....
Message-ID: <199902121541.KAA08610@pellns.alleg.edu>


(sigh of resignation...)
good morning, sinisterites (well, it's morning here...),

if life were kind, then i would have a few hundred dollars to  
[convert into pounds and then] blow on airline tix out of western  
pennsylvania ... right on across the atlantic... and then i would  
plant myself in the midst of this amazing festival, which sounds  
unbelievable... and not just because of B&S.  me and kim-barely  
(right, dear?   [ps. should i stop namechecking you on my posts?])  
would zip on over to the UK and share accommodations with some  
unknown listees and immerse ourselves in the dreamy sounds....  alas,  
i am a poor college student.  so while i am excited for all you  
brits, and europeans, and anyone else who will be able to get there,  
i will sit here in the states and squirm and shift in my seat and  

A-C-H-E  to be there...


xo,
marie
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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 12 16:19:10 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:19:10 +0000 (BST)
Subject: No subject
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From sburon at xxx.fr  Fri Feb 12 17:19:31 1999
From: sburon at xxx.fr (Stéphane)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:19:31 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian gig details - FESTIVAL CONFIRMED!
		!!
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F...ing computer. I just wrote a long mail for you all, but it suddenly
disappeared I dont know where, impossible to find it again...

Warrander John - FML a écrit:

> And why isn't there a deluge of excited mails yet? Are you people
> alive?

Yes, we're alive (at least I am, I wouldnt say for the others) and I'm
pretty excited too. WE WILL BE THERE!!! I still dont know who "we" will be
exactly, but expect many people speaking french all around you at the
festival (humm, I hope there will be at least 6 of us, I know, it's not so
many among 2600, but we do what we can...) On another topic, thanks to the
listees who answered to my Jude question: I 'll try to find it out as soon
as possible, either in Paris (but Rough Trade Paris will close very soon,
boo to the business world...) or in London. By the way, I'll be in London
on saturday 20th : anyone has heard of a special event/night/social where
wh could go???

Last thing: have you noticed that the lovely Philippe had joined us again?
Repeat after me:  "bienvenue Philippe!!!" (louder, and stop saying
bienveniou as in "new"...) And remember: 1L et 2P. No more, no less. I have
to leave now, unfortunately...

Take care, Stephane

PS: Philou, j'ai plus le temps de te répondre, je dois y aller, mais je
penserai à toi chez Mickey. Même chose pour Anna!

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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 12 17:34:14 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:34:14 -0000
Subject: Sinister: really stupid things.
Message-ID: <199902121727.RAA27176@mailhub.solent.ac.uk>


	I just wrote out a very long posting and lost it through a 
clipboard-related gross stupidity. I.e. I cut it then copied something 
else. Dumb, dumb, very very dumb. Oh well, here was the jist of it:
	I've just got back from my 2 weeks away (well, wednesday 
5pm but lets not split hairs) and thankfully there were only 200 or 
so messages waiting for me. Well, I worked my way through those 
to find news of a B&S festival!!!!!!.... !!!!!!! No, I must not even start to 
think about it - I know that I'll never find anyone else to go with me 
and I'm not spending £85 of my overdraft to go on my own. So I'm 
not going to even think about it. I've also got to make a new tape 
tree compilation tape, which is a little painful for me as it's like 
choosing which friends to save in my lifeboat, but it must be done.
	My two weeks away were, um, interesting. Met lots of 
bizarre and not so bizarre people, all of whom called me James, 
which made a refreshing change. On the down side I spent a good 
part of the time caught up in a really messy breakup between two 
friends I was staying with... I've got some v. nice ink polariods I 
could show you but this is a public forum and I think the whole 
business should be laid to rest now.
	Not that I didn't have fun of course... In fact, several people 
commented on my Study at Stow t-shirt at a party somewhere in 
leeds last saturday, and I was wondering if any were here...? I 
would have asked then and there but the fruit punch and advocat 
meant that I wasn't exactly in the mood. It'd be odd if my 
messages were going out to scary charlotte.

	i've got a lot more to say,
	but I've just decided not to,
	so bye,
		j.m. errington.

We used to lie in the empty car park and sun ourselves all day long.
Headaches can be cured by medicine.
Blue Glow is at;
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/blueglow.html
And you can visit me at
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/wjpages.html
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From denisep at xxx.ie  Fri Feb 12 18:28:25 1999
From: denisep at xxx.ie (Denise Power)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:28:25 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: affordable floors
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990212182456.18085B-100000@orca.ucd.ie>


Have anyone ever heard of the guild balloon (or something like that) in
scotland ? I desperately need to know if it exists or if my
dream/unconsciousness thing has finally broken down.
affordable floors is actually the name of a band. 
Is anyone going to the battle of the bands in UCD ?
I am, nah !
em, are b/s playing anywhere in the british isles ( can you still say this
?) this summer ? 
that's all.
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From eng98ajo at xxx.se  Fri Feb 12 19:36:29 1999
From: eng98ajo at xxx.se (Anna J)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:36:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian gig details - FESTIVAL
 CONFIRMED!!!
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I am so-o-o excited too!!
When I first read it I just thought "oh, why can't I go?!?" but then I
started thinking, and well I'm probably crazy and everything, but if I
started living on rice and water and used my change collection I could
maybe afford it!!!
But then of course, I don't think I know anyone here who'd be willing to go
all the way to England for a festival, but I just can't give up on the
idea. Oh, I don't know, maybe I should.
But, just in case I completely lose my mind and consider going anyway,
would you all be nice to a lost Swedish girl and take care of her on her
first visit to Britain?
I could make chocolate cookies and bribe you to be nice maybe, do you think
that would work?
And that idea that we could all team up for apartments seems great, I think
I already saw John asking for Scandinavian girls, so I'd get some company
wouldn't I? Anyway, you lot are the only group of 900 strangers I could
easily imagine sharing a chalet with (maybe not everybody in one though,
although we could give it a try).
Oh please, I desperately need some advice, am I nutty for thinking about
going? (and nothing John says will be taken seriously :)

Anna :)


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From mazzy_ana at xxx.com  Fri Feb 12 19:46:10 1999
From: mazzy_ana at xxx.com (ana simic)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:46:10 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Festival.........
Message-ID: <19990212194610.13565.qmail@hotmail.com>



I'll tell you straight away:

I cannot go to this awesome festival, cos I'd need loads of money I 
don't have.....So I'll try not to think  about what I'll be 
missing......hmmmmmmm
Specially after I saw the beeeeeautiful Mercury Rev last night playing 
here in Vienna. And do belive me, that was one of the best gigs I saw 
(though I was in a 'we-might-be-breaking-up' mood with my boyfriend and 
didn't speak a single word with him through the whole gig).
But I reckon, this funny state of mind I was in, made the whole concert 
even more touching and more personal.

I can just try to imagine how magnificant it would be to see the 
beautiful B&S for once....
Pleeeeeeease, you nice Jeepster-people, do something about it!!! 
Make them play in Vienna!!! 
*thanks*

 Ana

"...but you would love him anyway..."(B&S)






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From kshank at xxx.net  Fri Feb 12 20:24:12 1999
From: kshank at xxx.net (Ketan Shankardass)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:24:12 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Steve Cropper revealed!
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>the spanish magazine Rock De Lux made an interview to Stevie and he
said that he´s a fan of the >Memphis blues, and Steve Cropper (i´ve
never heard anything from him) is his favourite.

hey all,

just in case anyone care about Stevie's favorite guitarist...Steve
Cropper played in one of the baddest blues bands ever...Booker T. & the
M.G.'s!!!!!!  (yes...he was an M.G.)  If you're interested in checking
them out, any greatest hits collection will pretty much suffice as a
starter just as long as it has "green onions" on it...also, the track
"melting pot" is worth searching out!  Cropper was also the A&R man at
Stax Records (nuff said) for awhile...finally, if you're looking for a
visual fix of the god-like inspirer of our man Stevie (the b&s man),
check out the classic movie "The Blues Brothers"...he plays in Jake &
Elwood's backup band ("the band!").

well, i'm sure that didn't interest everyone but if just more person out
there has a listen to "green onions" then i can feel no guilt!

take care

ketan

ps.  i am imensely jealous of anyone who has the means to go to the
upcoming b&s festival...not a mean, hating jealousy...just a desperate,
numbing jeaslousy...
pps.  does anyone else love cornelius?

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From Snowinsumr at xxx.com  Fri Feb 12 20:25:47 1999
From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:25:47 EST
Subject: Sinister: ...this festival looks best of all...
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dear "everyone gets to go to the festival except me" diary...

i am selling everything i own...i am moving to the festival sight and i will
wait...i do not feel any desire to talk to any of the bands...i just want to
be able to watch for awhile...and maybe cry...it will be a long way to
go...from michigan to the edge of the united states and then having to swim
all that way across the blasted ocean...but so worth it...on the other
hand...i wonder if my cat will be able to take all the walking...he is a lazy
little bastard and all...and he does enjoy his sunday tea and without a teapot
he certainly wouldn't get it...and what about his nap? oh, i cannot do that to
him...maybe i won't have to move if a lovely belle-y and sebbie angel takes
pity on this little redhead and sends a plane ticket to this addy...

dreaming,
m. elise

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From bkim0 at xxx.edu  Fri Feb 12 20:31:33 1999
From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:31:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Shout-out to my Philly peeps--see you at Uptight?
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Hey Philly Sinisterites...are you all going to Uptight tonight at the Ruba
Hall?  I'll probably be there...I'm very curious about the Series.
Anyway, I'll be the kid in a black tie and beige sweater and gray slacks 
getting bizay on the dance floor.  You don't have to say anything if you
see me--just shimmy on over and groove for a few numbers.  We'll
communicate through our eyes and our undulations, if only to say "Right
on, brother/sister!"

Take care,

Xavier
-- 
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From Ciflux at xxx.com  Fri Feb 12 20:35:05 1999
From: Ciflux at xxx.com (Ciflux at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:35:05 EST
Subject: Sinister: "yes yes yes, it's the spring festival..."
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...but the only thing "truly detestible" about it is that Callie and I CAN'T
GO, having made honeymoon plans for Scotland the month before.  If either of
us had any other time off from work, we'd practically sell all our belongings
to be there.  Divine Comedy, Sleater-Kinney, Vic Godard, Cornelius, Broadcast,
the Pastels and B&S on one bill, all at a picturesque holiday camp near the
British seashore...my head reels.  Someday there's going to be a miniseries
called "The '90s."  Right after the part where Clinton gets acquitted, there's
going to be a scene at Camber Sands, thousands of clean-cut pop fans grooving
to actors playing Looper.  Our kids will turn to us and ask, "Mommy, Daddy,
you liked them, right?  Were you there?"  And we'll sigh and send them to
clean their rooms.

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From bkim0 at xxx.edu  Fri Feb 12 21:13:30 1999
From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:13:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Smut here, get your smut here
Message-ID: <199902122113.QAA20364@dept.english.upenn.edu>


This was something I ran across in the newsgroups--what say you, UK
listees, any truth to this?  Maybe the B&S festival will have to provide
an increase in sexual activity (albeit with many other horny foreigners
who also have good taste in music).

Xavier
--
LONDON -- British sex lives are sizzling, with people making love an
average of 81 times a year, 10 more than last year, a survey showed
today.

The 1999 Durex Report, a survey of 8,000 love lives, also found the
following:

:: Yorkshire is the sexiest region in Britain, with its inhabitants
making love an average of 92 times a year, more than 20% up on last year.
Scotland comes second with a figure of 91, and then the North West of 
England with 90.

:: Midlanders are going against the trend by having sex less often. Their
total of 71 occasions, down from 73 last year, puts them bottom of the
provincial passion league.

:: People are willing to make love in a variety of places, with 50% or
more respondents admitting they would consider getting down to it in a
car, in the bath or shower, on a beach, or even in the woods.

:: The most popular location is, unsurprisingly, at home in bed, where
92% of people would be willing. Among the more adventurous, 22% of people
would consider sex in a nightclub, 29% in the office, and even, said 14%,
in a taxi.

:: While 79% of both men and women said they preferred making love
without distraction, some admitted their minds wandered. Almost a third
of adults confessed to fantasising about a celebrity during sex, and 36%
to fantasising about someone from their past.
                                                          
:: A further 7% of people had more prosaic matters on their minds during
passionate moments - they were thinking about watching television.

:: The overwhelming factor to put people off sex is bad breath, with 49%
of respondents saying this kills the mood for them. Some 15% say children
in the house is also a turn-off.

:: But people with poor memories can be reassured - perhaps surprisingly,
only 14% are put off their passion by someone calling them by the wrong
name. Additionally, only 1% of those polled objected strongly to bad
taste in underwear.

:: Some 9% of people admitted to having unsafe sex with a new partner,
the same as last year, although fewer young people took risks.

:: Of those who failed to use a condom with a new partner, 22% disliked
using them, 30% were caught up in the passion of the moment - and 4% were
simply too embarrassed to suggest using one. 

-- 
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From e.brown at xxx.com  Fri Feb 12 21:06:14 1999
From: e.brown at xxx.com (Emanuel Brown)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:06:14 -0000
Subject: Sinister: festival general interest entry
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 hey-lo all

anyone from the us want to go to the festivities?

i do. looking for a random assortment of fun independents to meet and discuss how, why, etc...

oh, by the way... its a gorgeous 65 here in nyc.

please email privately

emanuel
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From rehakk at xxx.edu  Sat Feb 13 06:05:36 1999
From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 01:05:36 -0500
Subject: Sinister: ok, before i go out for a cigarette...
Message-ID: <00b601be5716$dfaff3e0$9e84c38d@rehakk.alleg.edu>

o woe!
i'm mighty sad this fine, brrrr-y evening.  if anyone is bored and wondering why this is so let me just say:  i got a phone call this evening from the boy i'm infatuated with.  he told me to listen to the college station and then quickly said bye.  it turns out that he then played a b&s song--lazy line...--and now i have that song stuck in my head...
ah, it should be so wonderful.  except that i realize nothing will ever amount from this long-lived obsession.  i'm too scared to even try.
on another note, it snowed today!  my friend pj is also sad like me.  this girl told him that she didn't want to have any sort of relationship because "he's too nice."  i know that alot of you are not fond of radiohead, but he wrote "i wish i was special" really big in the snow outside.  you have to admire the boy's endurance, though.  it took him an hour to do.
well, i'm not sure if you can consider this b&s content.  but i kept it short.  have a superb weekend.  and remember: tomorrow is anti-st. valentines day! 

i go outside now...

byebye
kisskiss
KIMberly

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yeah, i'd like to think so...
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From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:52:11 +0000
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From sleeka_sounds at xxx.com  Sat Feb 13 09:47:54 1999
From: sleeka_sounds at xxx.com (Sleeka Sounds)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 01:47:54 PST
Subject: Sinister: HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HONEY PAUL
Message-ID: <19990213094754.9484.qmail@hotmail.com>


Oh my, is it that time of year again already?  I have no time just now, 
so I'm afraid you're getting the same card I sent last year, a poor show 
I know.  Would you have noticed If I hadn't told you?  Did you know my 
mum gave my dad the same card for 15 years, and he didn't  notice?  
Alright braw baws, have a lovely day and anyway, we'll see you this 
afternoon for your annual birthday rodgering.

Chris xx

=========



May we all join hands and sing the Stevie Wonder version of "Happy
Birthday" to our beloved sensai Paul "Jizz" Mitchell, who is 71 today.

He is the only the man i have ever met that has made me say out loud "I
wish I was him"

the chiseled good looks.......
the razor sharp wit......  
the adonis body.....
the genuis mind......

i could go on for ever.

I have used my hi-tech computer technology to generate a superb hi-res
image of this God among Men.  If this gets corrupted in the electronic
transmission feel free to rearrange it.  You will know when it's right.

        xxxxxx
     xxxxxxxxxx
    xxx=      =xxx
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Have a great day Paul.  You're a credit to Geordies the world over.

Love 
christabel

x x x x

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From shop at xxx.uk  Sat Feb 13 10:41:45 1999
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:41:45 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Festival determination
References: <E10BbkB-0008Uf-00@wing1.herald.ox.ac.uk>
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the festival message board is now up and running and is waiting to help you all
organise chalets, you can find it at;

http://www.jeepster.co.uk/cgi-bin/mboard/fest/list.cgi

remember, when you purchase your tickets, you need to purchase them in groups of
4, 5, 6 or 7. so if you haven't got the numbers (most won't i guess) then use this
message board to appeal for others to share with or for chalets with spare beds
for you.

you'll need to sort yourselves out VERY quickly since the tickets go on sale the
end of next week and they will sell out very soon.

good luck :) 

david

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From ooon at xxx.th  Sat Feb 13 08:40:16 1999
From: ooon at xxx.th (oon)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:40:16 +0700
Subject: Sinister: Camp me to the moon!
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'Ola Chica!

after i read about the holiday camp, for first five
minutes i was jumping around with jealousy.
then i think really hard.  then next five minutes
decision was made.  that i must at least try!
even if the DEBT demon is looming over my head
in a frighteningly close position.   it's not just the
bands, it's the whole idea of going to the holiday
camp and see music and do camping activities
(ok i realize you'll be too drunk to do them
but it's the thought that counts, yes) that is so
irresistable.  and to see all you loveliest friends
again!  whether you will be pleased to see me
again so soon might be another matter.  however,
Mr.Miller i fully expect to see you this time, yes?

the last mountain to climb is the visa thing.
that's another frightening demon.  sigh.

i'm still reeling at my blindly boldly madeup of mind
that hands still shaking a little make it hard to type.
i'll go and compose myself as well as getting
prepare for playing music tonight.  at the BEAUTIFUL
About Cafe/Gallery/etc.  i don't think i'll do any
good seeing that heart is still wiggling and beaming
with dreams of the camp, all very assuming
positively for now.  i don't think i'm doing a shameful
plug, no?  because no one here will come anyway :)

good lucks to me!
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From ar981611 at xxx.uk  Sat Feb 13 12:20:32 1999
From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 12:20:32 +0000
Subject: Sinister: We're all going on a summer holiday (sort of)
Message-ID: <36C56E10.56593B05@student.paisley.ac.uk>


Firstly can I apologise to everyone who took offence at my little
Megan-directed outburst.  The problem seems to be that things are a bit
open to interpretation and I totally misinterpreted.  I have had my
knuckles rapped a wee bit from a few of you - I do apologise.  The last
thing I want to do is offend anyone, it would kind of defeat the object
of everything I have said so far.

But the main thing is .. THE GREATEST FESTIVAL IN THE
WORLD......EVER!!!  Conclusive proof that Stuart still wants us all to
come out to play.  Too big/busy/popular to come to list picnics? 
Organise a list holiday camp!!!  This is a band that cares.

WeeJay, how can you say that you'll be going on your own?  You may
travel and enter on your own - but you'll have lots of us when you get
there.  I can't imagine a better festival to go to alone.  I mean, I
know precisely one person on this list and I don't know if he's going or
not, and that still makes us two people short of a chalet but I would
not miss this for the world!  "It only happens once a lifetime, make the
most of it".  I'm cancelling my Easter holiday in Dublin in order to
affrod to go to this, but this is the sort of thing you HAVE to do,
isn't it?  

Aranxta, this is your Mallory Towers dreams come true - we can have
midnight feasts and go swimming after dark and have lashing and lashings
of ginger beer (OK wrong book, but right sentiments I think) and it'll
just be the most fun ever.  Right?  

See, I can post without moaning. I'm so happy, and I want it to be
Monday NOW so I can buy my ticket and get all excited and stop worrying
about whether I will actually get a ticket or not.  I'm scared that the
whole world will go and I won't get a ticket.  That won't happen. It
won't. Will it?  I don't like this waiting thing, although it does give
me an opportunity to find some chalet chums!!!

I'm off to dig out my bucket and spade and practise "Oh I do like to be
beside the seaside" a lot (I had to sing that on stage at my primary
school once dressed in a swimming costume when I was about six.  It was
so humiliating!  Teachers can be so cruel).  

Bye bye

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From Snowinsumr at xxx.com  Sat Feb 13 15:36:05 1999
From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:36:05 EST
Subject: Sinister: "...could i be dreaming?..."
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dear "lazy line painters" diary...

:::smile:::...:::thoroughly satisfied sigh:::...everything is going well...a
festival where belle-y and sebbie are playing...a boy with the most gorgeous
greeny-brown eyes that takes the time out of his day to talk with me...his
skin is perfect...he has that ageless nineteen year old face...figuring in
that he must be about nineteen or twenty...he is simply charming...and he is
rather tall which i quite like...his voice is soft...dear me...i think this
may be it....could i be dreaming? 

love, 
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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Sat Feb 13 17:54:49 1999
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:54:49 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Sons of Showaddywaddy
In-Reply-To: <199902122113.QAA20364@dept.english.upenn.edu>
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Yes, it's true, everybody's favourite popkids are back in the news again.
Long-term listees may well remember that the son of one of the members of
Showaddywaddy plays professional football (for Sheffield Wednesday?). Well
that can now be followed up by the revelation in today's Daily Telegraph
that the drummer's son is representing England at high jump. What a
talented bunch they are.


Dear diary, had an interesting couple of days, was up till 7 this morning
drinking, and had a storming afternoon gokarting. And a party tonight, £2
for as much as you can drink. Out of interest, just how are you meant to
get dressed up for an Austin Powers themed party???


Personally I think the B&S festival is a rotten idea; having the bands who
made IMHO the best 3 albums of last year on the same bill. And I'm not
just saying that because I'm bitter about the fact that it's the one
weekend during the year when I'll be away in Holland. Honest.

Anyone for Glastonbury?

Big Stu



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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Sat Feb 13 20:58:12 1999
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:58:12 -0500
Subject: Sinister: B&S Weekender Angst
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Hi All,

Someone (Tag?) was surprised at the lack of immediate reaction to the
announcement of the Al Bowley Festival. There could be many explanations.
Stunned amazement amongst them. For the serious B&S obsessive, attending
could be pretty akin to crashing a party held by our heroes for their
mates. 

Lack of reaction could also be due to lots of Sensitive cardie-wearing
soul-searching: "I spend all my time in my room listening to my
Tigermilk/Tigerjammies tapes. My best friend is my Study At Stow tee. How
can I get it together to find at least 3 people I could dare show my pants
to in a hi-de-hi chalet? Even if I can get that far, what would they think
of me and the cuddly fox I take to bed each night, that I stuck cotton wool
to the paws of to look like it had been romping in the snow?"

I guess other considerations are the amount of dosh, and how can one get a
ticket for what is (especially post-Brits) likely to be a heavily over
subscribed bash.

Also, would a slaphead looking like they've had the tonsure be allowed into
a Bowlie gathering? :)


Homage to Catalonia: ¡Muchas gracias! to Rafa & Isa for the Pastels and
Migala tapes that arrived a couple of days ago - they're great. 

Gently Waving Farewell,

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From sburon at xxx.fr  Sat Feb 13 22:02:55 1999
From: sburon at xxx.fr (Stéphane)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:02:55 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sorry if my english is baaaad...
Message-ID: <36C5F68B.A89018C1@club-internet.fr>


It's me, again. Three posts in two days, waouh... This time, I wanted to
ask a silly question to David and / or Katrina: it must be very silly
since nobody has asked it before, but my english is not so good and
there's something I'd like to know about the festival. You say its from
23rd to 25th : does it mean sunday 25th included??? I mean, will there
be gigs on sunday night, too? Well, that was it.
There's something rather surprising in the last posts on the list: most
of these listees cant go to the festival. What about the others?

Take care,

Stephane
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From lapis at xxx.edu  Sun Feb 14 03:57:50 1999
From: lapis at xxx.edu (dave cohen)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:57:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: fest query
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	although very much a longshot that i could make it
	to the festival [we live in hope]...

	couple queries:

	where is the holiday centre in relation to say, London?
	an how best to get there from central london or possibly
	heathrow?

	also, what will the procedure be for getting tickets as
	a group?  will they only be sold in blocks of 4, 5, 6, or 7?

	if, say, i have a group of 3-6 other people willing to 
	put up with my chatter about blue clocks green and phil ochs
	for the weekend can i simply order my ticket and 'register'
	for a room with those specific people?  or does a representative
	of the group book for the whole group?

	thanks!

	--dave
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From Mew817 at xxx.com  Sun Feb 14 05:57:41 1999
From: Mew817 at xxx.com (Mew817 at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:57:41 EST
Subject: Sinister: Something odd...
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Hi everyone

First of all, it sounds as if this festival is going to be loads of fun.
Gosh, what a great idea it is!  I wish I could go, but I live in the States
and can't afford to go...It would be such a great way to meet some of you...

Anyway, on to the weird thing I just read:

My sister just gave me her February copy of Harper's Bazaar to read, the one
with Madonna on the cover....  Anyway, in the Media/Quick Takes section, there
is a bit titled "Who says men are from Mars?"  
It says: "Love lost, love found, love tortured.  The songs that make our
Valentine's Day mix tape this year come from our favorite sensitive men."
Then they go on to mention Foo Fighters, Quincy Jones, Tevin Campbell, Ron
Sexsmith, Gomez ("The Tex-Mex band Gomez hails from Sheffield, England, but
its song 'Tijuana Lady,' (Bring It On) evokes tequila sunrises", Kenny
Lattimore, Olu, and finally Hefner (" 'A Hymn for the Postal Service'
(Breaking God's Heart) shows that grungy guys have feelings too."  
Some of these people I have never heard of...it's pretty interesting to see
Hefner and Gomez mentioned in Bazaar...their descriptions make me laugh!
"Grungy guys!" -Ha ha!

Take care
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From shop at xxx.uk  Sun Feb 14 10:02:21 1999
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:02:21 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Sorry if my english is baaaad...
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Stéphane wrote:
> 
> It's me, again. Three posts in two days, waouh... This time, I wanted to
> ask a silly question to David and / or Katrina: it must be very silly
> since nobody has asked it before, but my english is not so good and
> there's something I'd like to know about the festival. You say its from
> 23rd to 25th : does it mean sunday 25th included??? I mean, will there
> be gigs on sunday night, too? Well, that was it.

we know for sure that you can check into your chalet on friday afternoon and leave
monday morning. what we don't know is exact running orders and how these will pan
out over the weekend, we do expect gigs to happen on sunday night though. 

dave cohen wrote:
> 
>         although very much a longshot that i could make it
>         to the festival [we live in hope]...
> 
>         couple queries:
> 
>         where is the holiday centre in relation to say, London?
>         an how best to get there from central london or possibly
>         heathrow?

jeepster is going to put a page on it's site giving ALL the information we can lay
our hands on, this will include maps of how to get there, maps of the site,
running orders, etc. but you'll have to wait a biot for that. in the meantime i
can tell you that the site is near hastings on the south east coast of england.
the easiest way to get there is to go to bournemouth and then get a coach or
minicab to carry you there. it's a lot easier if you're flying into gatwick
airport, since that is already halfway between london and brighton. if you're
flying into heathrow it'll be a long slog getting to the site, so you might want
to stop off in london for the night to sleep before heading to victoria train
station and going south to brighton.

a good idea if anyone is driving from or through london would be to pick up other
revellers, or hire a car to carry your chalet's worth of people. at least that
would remove all the travelling problems and give you the ability to head into
town on saturday morning should you need it. 2,600 people is not that many, so i'm
sure the parking would cope (it's free i think) and because it's a proper holiday
site i'm also sure that there won't be too much congestion on the roads around the
site (unlike glastonbury!).

>         also, what will the procedure be for getting tickets as
>         a group?  will they only be sold in blocks of 4, 5, 6, or 7?

yep, they're sold in this way because that is the range of chalets available. it's
like booking a hotel room, the per-person rate may be £85, but you have to book
and pay for a room at a time. also, because the 4's will probably sell out the
fastest, i guess if you're wanting one of them you should get yourselves together
pretty damn fast.

>         if, say, i have a group of 3-6 other people willing to
>         put up with my chatter about blue clocks green and phil ochs
>         for the weekend can i simply order my ticket and 'register'
>         for a room with those specific people?  or does a representative
>         of the group book for the whole group?

i would guess that you don't have to give personal details of everyone in the
chalet, but that one person books the chalet and then you all check in together.
this is how it's always worked when i've been to butlins or it's ilk. this is also
why sharing a car from london or something suddenly makes sooo much sense.

remember you can use the message board on the jeepster site to help arrange all of
your travel details. once the jeepster info page is up, we'll put links to train
timetables, car hire places (that we think are cool and reasonably priced),
brighton mini-cabs, etc.

cheers

david

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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Sun Feb 14 12:28:24 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 04:28:24 -0800
Subject: Sinister: this is hard core
Message-ID: <000501be5815$853122e0$2d11020a@rebelstrange>


dear sweet diary,
something funny happened on the way out of drawing class Friday.  the naked
guy who models for us walked up behind me and surprised me by saying "hello"
very suddenly.  he asked if i liked the class and then turned in the other
direction without another word.  this disturbs me very much.  "you're naked,
don't look at me!!!"  If the naked guy in fact has designs on me, i shall
have to disappoint him.  although my eyes may in fact be on his NONglory, my
thoughts are entirely of the little red-haired girl next to me.  Poor,
stupid Naked Guy.  He wil be remembered.

EVEN if i were rich enough to be able to attend the Festival, i'd be missing
vital classes , not good for my diabolical scheme of raising my sad GPA this
semester.  *sigh*  all you rompin rowdy listees tasting marmalade in cozy
chalets and sending gentle waves to stu and crew.  if you happen upon him,
give him an apple for me, and if you see Isobel, do blow her a kiss, i'd be
grateful.

An example of our toiling-in-obscurity heroes' rise to dizzying fame:  i had
been reluctant to bring this up, rather ERM embarrassing, but the recent
discussions have made me change my mind.  cut and paste from an ad email i
received:
FORGET SCULLY AND MULDER!!!!
we have WHAT YOU HVE BEEN WATIING FOR *RIGHT HERE*!
"IS IT WICKED NOT TO C**???"
2 full hours of the most HARD CORE INDIE ROCK SEX ever put on viddo tape!!
When STUART MURDOCH and ISOBEL CAMPBELL of beelle and Sebastian finally GET
THERE GROOVES ON, the most enigmatic HOT BODDIES in p!o!p! music will not be
mysterious much longer!!
SSEE FOXY wee Isobel NOT SO WEE AFTER ALL!!
SEE the BOYS FROM ARAB STRAPP in GANG BANG !!
STUAT WILL NEED TO BE STRAPPED DOWN! YOU WON'T BELIEVE YOUR EYES AND YOUR
KNOTTY BITS!!!!!

send
O   N   L   Y
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$19,95
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to(omitted)

well, my friends, i'm not a *pervert*, but i saw it as my patriotic duty to
obtain such an example of belle and seb history.  imagine my surprise when i
received that said tape, slipped it lovingly into my VCR, and pressed play.
it's nothing but a tape of them holding hands in a field somewhere, with a
10-miniute video tacked on the end of Chris doing a funny dance to Looper
music.  Don't be fooled! it's a sham!!!

note to those on weejay's story chain......i'm now the home of a big kink in
the hose so to speak, i have 4 stories to add to, so that rake Michael
should be expecting one now and then when I get them done one by one.
yaaaah!!  you all made it so hard for me too.  we'll see.
yes my friends, do you know why thursday was a good day, because i
pre-ordered the gentle waves thing, and only for that reason.  the rest of
the day sucked, but at least i got that done.  i'm in fandom heaven.
HOOOray......will gentle waves be appearing at the festival?  perhaps those
who mourn the popularity of b/s can comfort themselves with relative
obscurity of side projects, or perhaps isobel will end up duetting with
whitney houston at the Super Bowl.  "whoo conn seeee???"  (sorry) i still
think Puff Daddy should remix Seeing Other people.  "yer kissin your
elbow....."aAAWWW yeah KISSIN THAT ELBOW!  Yea! yea!  yea!!  kiss it!"
*ba0doom-ba*  go for broke.   do carson daly's mtv total request, marry
carmen electra, smack a few journalists??  why not??  get arrested for
weapon possession.  everyone else is  doing it.
last night i  dreamed my true lurve and i were sneaking a KISSSS in a
supermarket aisle, dashing into closing elevators to escape from
view........you know those movie kisses where they open their mouths wide
but delicately like a cat lapping from a stream?  never mind.  this email is
over.  love, the maddeningly desert-bound..............
LJ


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From mazzy_ana at xxx.com  Sun Feb 14 14:41:22 1999
From: mazzy_ana at xxx.com (ana simic)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:41:22 GMT
Subject: Sinister: I wanna be there.....
Message-ID: <19990214144122.29129.qmail@hotmail.com>




it has finally stopped snowing and it's gray, cold and peacefull in 
Vienna today. How come does this blody Valentine's Day feel _this_ 
..erm, hmm...empty..nothing...whatever.(and no, I haven't yet broken up 
with this guy who's been giving me hard times the last couple of 
months....don't ask me 'why not').
Oh, well, I don't want to put you down with my funny mood.
The fact is that this festival's been giving me hard times as well, cos 
I can't possibly go there (don't ask me 'why not'). I even started 
dreaming in the night that I'm there...Or was it the other way round? 
Cos it might as well be, that I dreamt that my fav band came here to 
play...
I think I should start doing something 'sensible' today; otherwise I'll 
end up going crazy analyzing my moods...

*Ana*

'number 2 has got me confused,
 hope I'll always be number 1 and 3' (MR)


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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Sun Feb 14 17:36:28 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L  (ug))
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:36:28 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Tindersticks v B&S
Message-ID: <116DF9642B30D1119D530000F800DC37023336C7@exchs3.lse.ac.uk>


Why I like both Tindersticks and B&S

-they both ask intelligent questions of the listener.
-they both put me in the mood for love.
-Stuart Staples sounds like a 33rpm playback of Stuart Murdoch recorded at
45rpm.
-any of the songs on "Curtains" or "2nd Album" (the one with "Snowy in F
Minor," "No More Affairs" and "Travelling Light" on it) could be on
"Tigermilk", "IYFS" or "BWTAS".
-they both calm me down after a quick blast of some of the more "happy" folk
songs.

So there.

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From mkorchia at xxx.fr  Sun Feb 14 21:32:19 1999
From: mkorchia at xxx.fr (Michael Korchia)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:32:19 +0100
Subject: Sinister: M Korchia threw it all away
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Hi
I ve just formatted my hard disk, so i lost all emails, email addresses, etc...

To all the people i know : please send me your email (& possibly real address
adress to put in my new address book
Also, if you sent me an email to which i didn t answer: please send it again!
Thanks,
(& sorry for being bizarre sometimes)

__^o^__
Michael Korchia  mkorchia at club-internet.fr
Watoo Watoo Homepage : http://www.multimania.com/watoo/
Mumbly Homepage  : http://www.multimania.com/aurore/emumbly.htm



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From evanbear at xxx.com  Sun Feb 14 17:02:51 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:02:51 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Tindersticks v B&S
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i guess i coulda said something succinct like that, but im too
accustomed to my rambly ways
(|=-)
thats a perfect description and whatever
-----Ev
np-Cursive/Silver Scooter split 10" two of the bestest damn emo bands
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From e.brown at xxx.com  Sun Feb 14 17:30:11 1999
From: e.brown at xxx.com (Emanuel Brown)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:30:11 -0000
Subject: Sinister: watch me jumpstart
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hey kids...

as i sit here sorting thru the details of getting to the fest from new york, i am still reeling from the second best concert i've ever seen (the first was neutral milk hotel). guided by voices are the unspoken kings of lofi rock, but after last night, i have a healthy new respect for them. their onstage antics are hilarious and the current band lineup is wonderful! bob pollard is a lovable freak and god knows we need more like him! sorry about the gbv gush, but i really needed a hard rockin' night and i wasn't disappointed. i saw lots of cute indie-kids and i wondered if any of you lovelies were there last night...

now if i can just see belle & sebastian... thanks to all who replied to my previous post about a us posse to tackle this fest. anyone else serious about going to this shindig, get your ass in gear and mail me, 'cause we have a good shot at getting there and so far it looks good, but we have only so much time *sigh*. 

a holiday weekend is a beautiful thing...

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From cockbiter at xxx.com  Mon Feb 15 03:59:53 1999
From: cockbiter at xxx.com (brad whiddon)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:59:53 EST
Subject: Sinister: ottoman
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damn. i'm all worked up.

http://www.fringenet.com/vgg/furnporn.html

(the banners are the funniest part)

long time, no see,
brad

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From L2raViolet at xxx.com  Mon Feb 15 08:26:22 1999
From: L2raViolet at xxx.com (L2raViolet at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 03:26:22 EST
Subject: Sinister: raise your hand if your hopeless
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hello lovesick sinisterines...

im just coming out of the woodwork for the second time to wish everyone a
valentines day.  are you all curled up with your kafka, staring wistfully into
space, constructing the perfect conversation to have with a sensitive cardie-
wearer who must be out there out there somewhere...? oh well, i am, anyways. i
am quite sure now, that the IYFS cover is a picture of valentines day. it must
be. 
there's a radio station here whose having a special v-day program of classic
60s lusty french pop...france gall, francoise hardy and that.  an hour of hot
sexy breathy purrrring to really put me in the mood.  except its just me and
the computer here so all this frrrench is just making me *sigh.*   i guess
this is maybe a lesley jo moment- the france gall and the sighing, i mean.
i remember when i used to like this day... the fervor with which i cut and
pasted...the joy of sprinkling glitter on the elmers glue-drawn hearts...the
delight of having a shoebox full of 32 little white envelopes and red-hots.
when did i become so cynical? has anyone else found themselves wandering down
the valentine isle at save-on, scowling at all the cheesy crepe paper
decorations, and pink plastic packaging, thinking, "damn russell stover!  damn
doilies!"  anyone?  come on people lets see those hands! oh. alright. i think
i'll get back to my woodwork now.
  xo,
 branwyne
*ultraviolet*
ps...i thought i would mention...if anyone around los angeles is looking for
thisisjustamodernrocksong on vinyl- they had a couple at melrose music. nine
dollars, i think.
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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 15 10:55:40 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:55:40 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Cinema? some mistake shurely?
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From sburon at xxx.fr  Mon Feb 15 12:07:55 1999
From: sburon at xxx.fr (Stéphane)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:07:55 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Cinema? some mistake shurely?
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weejay a écrit:

> Anyway, the point of this is, one of the bands listed is 'Cinema'. Does this mean David Gedge's new band, who when I last heard were called Cinerama or is it not? It's not a deciding factor really, I'd just like to know. David?

I'm not David but I guess Cinema is the glaswegian band on Domino, and not Cinerama. They've released one EP at the moment, and it seems really good, kind of electronic quiet orchestral music, with nice melodies though. They've remixed "Remote Climbs" by The Pastels, on the Illuminati record. They will certainly be as interesting as Cinerama (even if Va Va Voom is one of my favourite records of 1998...)

Take Care

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From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 15 12:27:55 1999
From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:27:55 GMT0BST
Subject: Sinister: B&S new album and E.P.
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I went home for the weekend, and typically, instead of doing all the 
things I could only do at home while I had the chance, I watched TV 
instead. Now, (this does become more relevant so bear with me) at 
home we have the luxury of Teletext. Whilst bridging that long, 
lonely void between lunch and tea, I was looking at the music pages 
on channel 4 and, bizzarely, they had a piece about 
the new B&S album. So, here's what I can remember of it...

The recording of the album is nearly completed.
Stuart David said "It'll be done by the end of February. Some song 
titles are Marx and Engels, I Fought In A War, Once Upon A Weekend, 
Wake Her Up, Landslide and Winter Woofkie."
The album is due in late summer and the preceeding E.P. is likely to 
comprise Lonliness Of The Middle-Distance Runner, Paper Boat, and 
Lord Anthony.

Woo! Can David and Katrina confirm any of this? The best news in my 
opinion is the inclusion of the lonliness of the mid-dist runner on 
the e.p. (and they did call it an e.p., even though it only has 3 
tracks).

Bye
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 15 12:35:25 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:35:25 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Cod fish battered balls!
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So!

I get back from London - after having failed an interview dreadfully
with HORRIBLE Surrey woman (bitchbag) - and I work all day Sunday.
HECTIC DAY! And on Monday I get up at 7.30 to head off to college - I
turn up and GODAMN THEM they have cancelled my Spanish lesson!

But I had a Sausage and Egg Muffin things in...*urk* McDonalds which was
NICE. 

Thank you to everyone who made my stay in London so lovely! Especially
Pam and Mike! Trousers was very nice when I met him, even though I would
like to flush his head down the toilet cos he said my Miffy bag was a
raving bag. Yeah? Well I think that Trousers was just pretending to be
all fey and indie-foppish and that his Muji gear was just hiding a Kappa
jacket and white jeans urrrrgh.....yeah, thats it. And it was lovely
meeting Sezzie and Taggette! Either I am colour blind, or Tag has turned
to peroxide but I did not spot much gingerness there. Trust me though I
am usually more fun when thoughts of "I failed my interview. Why don't I
just leave university and any aspirations RIGHT NOW IN THE GUTTER WHERE
I BELONG" and general wallowing is not the order of the day. It was fun
to meet Tim again with his gay leg, and seeing Andy! just as I was
going! 

And Kevan Cooke. You yes you! You managed to get away without leaving a
message in my miffy book! Not even three words! I will catch you...yes.

I now have a day off college - and I am spending it trying to work out
how the fuck you do tables for an internet site. i can't do them! They
are stupid and for wets and weeds and I shun them utterly. I can't be
bothered doing frames cos then I have to create a NON-FRAMES version as
well which is far too much chiz.

OH GOLLY! Isn't Camber Sands EXCITING!!! I can't wait already!!! Why
isn't Chris Leonard on the bill though? He'd be better than (hem hem)
God Speed You Black Emperor who ARE war of the worlds FACT!!!! and he's
defintely harder than the Pastels. *shudder* OH MY LORD the thought of
being an enclosed space with Stephen Pastel is VERy scary OH NO!!!! I'll
hide behind Keith. I'll sick (?!) Keith on the Pastels! That would be
more fun than seeing them emperors anyway.

Hehe. I wish they'd called themselves the Emperor Penguins instead. They
could do a best-selling duet with Sea-Lion Dion. Ba-boom!
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Fluffy Candarel

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Mon Feb 15 13:21:24 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:21:24 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Dinklestiltskinstock Festival
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How much is a ticket without a poxy chalet? I'm stopping up all night,
mate, rogering the dodgems and jump-starting the donkeys. No, but
seriously, 85 knicker's a bit steep, innit? Especially seeing as all
the bands are the aural equivalent of an outside lavatory. So what
I've decided to do, to subsidise the event, is to hire an eight-seater
chalet and set up the Sinister Knocking Shop. It'll work like this:
I'll bring along 8 ladies of ill-repute dressed up as Lulu, France
Gall and other top representatives of the Yé-Yé movement, and install
them in my massive chalet. Obviously, there'll be more boys than girls
at the festival, so not everyone will be able to get a snog. Needless
to say, that kind of thing can ruin a weekend, which is where my Yé-Yé
troupe comes into its own. For a reasonable sum of money, all those
boys who've been unable to get a snog can come to my den of iniquity
and have a snog with the Yé-Yé bird of their choice. Demand is likely
to be pretty high, so I'll install close circuit TV, so that those
unable to get a snog even if they are willing to pay for it can watch
proceeedings from a smaller capacity bar nearby. Good idea? I think
so.

Speaking of that smaller capacity bar, I advise you all to make a
bee-line for it well before the Pastels come on, because it's liable
to be pretty busy then.

I just did a lap of honour around the house in honour of the drummer
from Showaddywaddy's son representing his country at high jump. It's
true, I have. That would be Caesar Romeo's son, right? Magic!

On Saturday I was lucky enough to see Massiel, the Yé-Yé girl "par
excellance" and winner of the 1968 Eurovision Song Contest, on the
television, discussing the upcoming (but now gone) Barcelona - Real
Madrid football match. She was surprisingly knowledgeable for a bird,
although she supports Real Madrid (boo!). She dresses in such a way
that people are liable to throw stones at her in the street, and never
shuts up. I liked her quite a lot, and look forward to her next
appearance. She didn't mention Belle and Sebastian, but I could tell
she was a big fan from the lunatic look in her eye. Uninterestingly,
she was talking to former Brighton and Hove Albion star Michael
Robinson. And another bloke.

Bornemouth's miles away from Hastings.

Snow Patrol are on Radio Ulster or something tonight, and Katrina
hasn't told us yet, so I am.

Goodbye,

Sister Disco

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From denisep at xxx.ie  Mon Feb 15 13:31:15 1999
From: denisep at xxx.ie (Denise Power)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:31:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: rumours, intrigue, gasp
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While I spent a pleasant christmas in London I became re-acquainted with
this
girl that I used to be in school with. While she was in London the summer
before, she met this guy who I'm not going to name in case of impending
litigation, lets just say he knows belle and sebastian and has works with
them on cds etc (ie he's credited on the lazy line painter jane ep
) and he told her that not only have stuart and izzie kissed but have a
baby.
Am I too gullible for words or is there any truth in this? 
bear in mind that in school our history teacher loved me and hated her and
also one time I accidently let a ball go past me in hockey (we were the
two backs) and I cunningly blamed her.
bye
dee
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From eyh96 at xxx.edu  Mon Feb 15 15:00:06 1999
From: eyh96 at xxx.edu (remaniac)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:00:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: festival angst
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Ana wrote:

>The fact is that this festival's been giving me hard times as well, cos
>I can't possibly go there (don't ask me 'why not'). I even started
>dreaming in the night that I'm there...Or was it the other way round?
>Cos it might as well be, that I dreamt that my fav band came here to
>play...

the festival has been inspiring my dreams, as well. the other night i
dreamt that, terribly disappointed at not being able to attend the
festival, several fans and i contacted stuart m. miraculously, he offered
to give a lecture in the states as consolation. and what do you know, the
lecture was to be held in my bedroom (which was a bit more spacious in the
dream). after much preparation (posting advertisement flyers featuring head
shots of stuart, boiling water for tea, etc.), stuart arrived. seated
comfortably on a bean bag chair, he didn't lecture so much as chat with a
few dozen of us. i can't remember the content of the conversation, except
that at one point he was discussing a favorite author, and everyone seemed
to get along marvellously. the highlight of the afternoon was when stuart
brought out his cat. he was deep brown and lean, very inquisitive and well
behaved. and his name was richard.

hmm.

--emily, who recently discovered that her favorite prof likes b+s

(note to kristen: i think my subconscious generated the bean bag element
because you would surely appreciate it.)

scratch my name on your arm with a fountain pen
(this means you really love me)
...
rusholme ruffians


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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Mon Feb 15 15:45:25 1999
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:45:25 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: B&S new album and E.P.
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Robin Stout wrote:

>Whilst bridging that long, 
>lonely void between lunch and tea, I was looking at the music pages 
>on channel 4 and, bizzarely, they had a piece about 
>the new B&S album.

Yeah, the bloke who does the music page is a a big b&s fan, i spoke to
him on aol a few months ago. He abuses his position as impartial
reviewer to mention them as much as possible, which is cool.

Also, i've just got back from america and i have to say US radio and
telly are absolute arse. I'm amazed that any of the american listees
have even heard of any good bands let alone the wonders of the belles.
Every time i switched to mtv it was matchbox 20 or some similar shite.
The radio waves were full of golden oldies and vh1 american style is
even more aor than the english one. Dont get me wrong, im not slagging
off americans. quite the opposite, im praising the ones on this list.
To discover good bands among the dirge clogging up the airwaves in the
states deserves erm, something. Sorry, just got distracted and
completely lost my flow. You get the idea anyway. Still, america's a
top place, really enjoyed my stay there and hope to go back soon.

On the plane on the way there i saw phil cornwell who plays michael
caine and others on stella street and used to be the voice of gilbert
the alien. On the plane back i saw Boris Johnson. Who? you ask. Do you
remember the journalist who was on have i got news for you who got
joked about for offering to beat up another journalist for darius
guppy? the upper class twit one? If you do then it was him. If you
dont then sorry for wasting your time. On the way to get to my seat i
made sure to 'accidentally' bump him as i walked past. Just my little
way of 'giving it' to 'the man' as i hate journos, especially posh
ones with no grasp of reality.
Still, i can add them to my list of crap celebs ive seen (tommy boyd,
a bloke from londons burning, fella from the pot noodle ads, eddie
temple morris) I much prefer them to real celebs. I have more fun
remembering and recounting them than i do about seeing big stars like
jarvis cocker or mark owen or god.

Anyway, more than enough codswallop for one day. I blame jetlag.

Cheers,
Rich

ps Whilst in the US i got an elliot smith album either called KIll
Rock Stars or on the Kill Rock Stars label (or both). Can anyone tell
me anything about it?

np - eric satie - gymnoperdie (bringing a little culture to the smut
and cardies)

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From JMoorkens at xxx.ie  Mon Feb 15 15:52:17 1999
From: JMoorkens at xxx.ie (Joss Moorkens)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:52:17 -0000
Subject: Sinister: man shaped bolus
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Re: PJMiller's tale of Massiel;
Ahh, such memories of Michael Robinson, formerly of Brighton and Hove Albion
as he managed to score 4 times in 24 appearances for Ireland. He scored 12
times for Liverpool in 83/84, but nonetheless this televisual moment sounds
like the fitting highlight to a wonderful career. I don't know about any of
you, but I'm quite excited about this whole festival lark. Warrander tells
me that there will be large breasted ladies and mud wrestling onstage with
Cornelius. And I believe him. Do you think they allow cameras? As a result
of this vital information, it appears that I shall be making my way to the
South Coast as part of a 22 man posse. We shall be wearing leathers and
combing our hair with flick combs bought from a souvenir shop at Mont St
Michel. Now there's a thing. Why would people go to Mont St Michel to buy a
flick comb? I mean... I can hardly argue with the logic, having purchased
one myself, but personally, I'd have had grave reservations otherwise. Does
anyone else remember the Boomtown Rats video where he combs his hair with a
flick comb? He was trying manfully to look dead hard, like. He hadn't even
bothered to use the Dax first. No wonder he was a shite DJ.

This will also mean another chance to see Mercury Rev. Their attempt to play
every venue in Dublin is currently underway with news of their 3rd visit in
the last couple of months. Ideally, this will lead them to play in
Slattery's, home of the original Thin Lizzy mosaic logo mirror. It's
cunningly positioned on the way to the jacks, so if I can nab them on their
way past, I can take photos and sell them for millions. I may try to collar
Stuart David into paying the mirror a visit when this Looper thing happens
next month. If anyone called him twee, out would come the Thin Lizzy mirror
photo. Then the boot would be on the other foot.
O yes.
Joss
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From editor at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 15 16:26:59 1999
From: editor at xxx.uk (duke of harringay)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:26:59 +0000
Subject: Sinister: tigermulk for sale
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sorry to clog up the list, kids, but i've been asked by someone (friend
of a friend kind of thing, you know how it is...) to tell the world (or
the part that may be vaguely interested) that he has an original copy of
Tigermilk vinyl up for sale. is anyone here interested? emails to me
please, NOT THE LIST!!! i'll pass on the details to the seller and do
all that liasing kind of thing.

interesting bit of the post? erm, no.

keep the faith,

the duke
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From eliam at xxx.edu  Mon Feb 15 16:58:26 1999
From: eliam at xxx.edu (Marie Elia)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 99 11:58:26 -0500
Subject: Sinister: B&S new album and E.P.
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hey, kids...

in reference to the assertion that the US media is "absolute arse",  
i'd have to say that i mostly agree.  mtv and vh1 aren't worth  
talking about (mtv's best programs are sunday nights, midnight to  
3am because of 120 Minutes and Amp -- they show the wicked video!),  
and most radio stations are victims of top 40 rotation.  what you  
didn't find, though, are the lovely little indie stations, college  
stations, etc.  really, discovering new bands is a matter of  
using/abusing the internet, reading every little zine and music mag  
that comes along, and sharing tapes with friends.

and as far as the elliot smith goes, it is probably his self-titled  
album on the killrockstars label (lack of an actual album title  
might lead one to the conclustion that kill rock stars is the  
title).  although the label does various compilations (shifting the  
words in the label name about to make fun little phrases like rock  
stars kill, etc... try it, it's fun!)  anyway, elliot smith is  
amazing amazing amazing.... especially this first album....

um, b&s content:  sadly i am not jetting across the ocean for this  
wonderful festival... although i will be spending my spring break  
(march 20-28) in london!  if anyone has advice or suggestions as to  
Things/Places I MUST See/Go, esp. record stores and such, let me  
know!  it will be me and my two lovely housemates -- three wide-eyed  
girls spending a week in a foreign city with no real arrangements  
for places to stay/sleep.

okay, take care, kids...
xo,
marie

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From macarthur at xxx.com  Mon Feb 15 17:01:47 1999
From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:01:47 -0000
Subject: Sinister: rumours, intrigue, gasp
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> ) and he told her that not only have stuart and izzie kissed but have a
> baby.

oh my god! I don't care if it's a rumour, it must be the most beautiful
child in the world! I can't see when they would have time to have a child,
what with their busy tour and promotion scedule (haw haw). Actually that's
a terrible joke, it was one made on x-fm, when someone inquired about
Looper, but a wonder that they have time for a side-project

Dearest List

My right to run has been taken away for me, as today my run took the
following sequence, run, fall, limp, walk....

my mother said i shouldn't run with a bad back. i hate it when she's right.
I only run after dark, so to avoid embarassing sightings from people I know
would smirk, and how they would roar with laughter if they saw my dramatic
slip! There I was, pounding down the streets of bengeo, the orange glow of
the street lamps glimmering in the puddles when suddenly, my back seems to
fold in half like a collapsable bed, to which my legs decided to do a quick
rendition of the funky chicken before i fell in a heap. As if this event
alone was not embarassing enough, I had to stumble home in a half-run bent
in half. Thankfully i can now stand up straight, but with great pain. I
hope you feel compassion.

we await the brits with baited breath.....
who shall win?

love, Erica
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From tourajsig2 at xxx.com  Mon Feb 15 17:09:12 1999
From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:09:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Camber Gambler 
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Hey kids,

Just a quickie to point you all in the direction of:

http://www.pontins.com/family/camber.html

to give you a flavour of what we've got in store in April.  Sun-trap
of the South, indeed ?  Some of the biggest names in showbiz... no
idle boast now they've secured the services of Godspell You Black
Emperor Tomato Ketchup...  I particularly like the look of Captain
Croc's Adventureland.

So, David & Katrina, do we get Club, Classic or Popular accommodation ?

Mike.




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From shop at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 15 17:59:46 1999
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:59:46 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Camber Gambler
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Michael Jones wrote:
> 
> Hey kids,
> 
> Just a quickie to point you all in the direction of:
> 
> http://www.pontins.com/family/camber.html
> 
> to give you a flavour of what we've got in store in April.  Sun-trap
> of the South, indeed ?  Some of the biggest names in showbiz... no
> idle boast now they've secured the services of Godspell You Black
> Emperor Tomato Ketchup...  I particularly like the look of Captain
> Croc's Adventureland.
> 
> So, David & Katrina, do we get Club, Classic or Popular accommodation ?
> 
> Mike.

well done mike, you've saved me a bit of time finding that site, and its sooooooo
cool :)

as for the accomodation, well, being of skeptical mind and body, i figure that
we'll all be in popular accomodation :) whilst the bands and other indie royalty
(and no, i don't think katrina and i afll into that camp) will be in the club
class.

:) 

david

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From shop at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 15 17:49:48 1999
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:49:48 +0000
Subject: Sinister: B&S new album and E.P.
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Richard Connell wrote:
> 
> Robin Stout wrote:
> 
> >Whilst bridging that long,
> >lonely void between lunch and tea, I was looking at the music pages
> >on channel 4 and, bizzarely, they had a piece about
> >the new B&S album.
> 
> Yeah, the bloke who does the music page is a a big b&s fan, i spoke to
> him on aol a few months ago. He abuses his position as impartial
> reviewer to mention them as much as possible, which is cool.

ah, but he's also a bit of a prick, since he was the only person we gave a press
pass to way back when B&S played colchester. and he proceeded to chat to, and
grope his girlfriend throughout from the back of the hall.

we were pissed that although he widely proclaimed love for the band, no-one we
know would ever then treat one of their rare appearances akin to a visit to a
brothel.

david

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From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:53:33 +0000
Subject: Sinister: tigers milk for sale! very cheap!
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i've been asked by a friend i know to let you all know that we've a genuine bottle
of tigers milk for sale.

it's in protective packaging (a babies milk bottle) and has gone through a lot.
we're storing it at 5.4 degrees celsius in a guarded safe. and the friend wants
you to know that it took a lot of effort to get, he had to sedate the tiger and
everything!

anyhow, bidding starts at £8,000 all bidders should mail me privately and not the
LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cheers 

david

PS: i can also get a CDR of tiger noises if anyone wants one?
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From kenny at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 15 20:31:34 1999
From: kenny at xxx.uk (jake)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:31:34 -0000
Subject: Sinister: oh, belle and seb in sussex!
Message-ID: <199902152031.UAA08680@mailhost.dircon.co.uk>


I'm sorry all, i've been trying to hide the sheer excitement of B&S playing
here in sussex, i've tried to stop myself from making a pointless "oooooh,
oh my god" comment on the list but i've finally cracked, i just needed to
say i can't wait.

well now thats over with i can just add a little offer.....it was going to
be a competition but i couldn't be bothered to think of one so now it's
just an offer.

so there i was, wandering through the streets of brighton, once home to the
mighty Brighton&Hove Albion, and i wandered into boderline records and on
the counter was a box of cds for 99p, and what should be at the front of
that pile but a certain "ballad of ray suzuki" by looper. It was all
stictered up saying "promo only" but i had to snap it up to make sure it
went to a good home, which is where you lot come in. I've got my copy so
this is for whoever wants it, it's a proper 3track cd in finished card
sleeve, i can't think of a fair way to give it away so i'll just say who
ever can be arsed to complete this crappy tiebreak best gets it.......

Sarah would win a wrestling contest between all the memebers of B&S
because............

(all entries to pissedstudent at beer.com ,thanks) 

Well that is the best i could think of. i'll choose a winner by the end of
the week and send it off then so you'll get it before it hits the shops.
And has anyone else noticed the similarity between Chris Geddes and the
bloke in the new MrMuscle tv ad?

anyway
seeya at the festival
jake 
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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 15 20:39:22 1999
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:39:22 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Think I need some time alone...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990215132622.32127E-100000@orca.ucd.ie>
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On Mon, 15 Feb 1999, Denise Power wrote:

> While I spent a pleasant christmas in London I became re-acquainted with
> this
> girl that I used to be in school with. While she was in London the summer
> before, she met this guy who I'm not going to name in case of impending
> litigation, lets just say he knows belle and sebastian and has works with
> them on cds etc (ie he's credited on the lazy line painter jane ep
> ) and he told her that not only have stuart and izzie kissed but have a
> baby.
> Am I too gullible for words or is there any truth in this? 

Frankly I don't care, never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
I think that one's up there in my favourite 3 facts about B&S. The others
being that Chris took a bucket on stage with him at the Manchester matinee
gig because he was so hungover; and that the only reason they got a
bagpiper in to play on Sleep The Clock Around was to piss off their next
door neighbour at the Church Hall who'd been complaining about the noise.


After a great weekend, the come-down - I've spent most of today licking
envelopes and stamps, as part of my efforts at raising money for an
expedition I'm going on in the Autumn. I can't help thinking there's a big
gap in the market for chocolate flavoured gum for envelopes. Anyway, all
that matters this week is that we beat Oxford in the Korfball Varsity
match on Saturday...


Still peeved about not being able to go to the Hi-De-Hi festval,
Big Stu


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From mart at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 15 20:37:54 1999
From: mart at xxx.uk (Martin Horsfield)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:37:54 +0000
Subject: Sinister: What ever happened to the list crush anyway?
Message-ID: <XlRs0FAiWIy2Eww6@subcult.demon.co.uk>


I've been away for a little while, but Valentine's Day inevitably
brought me back to the list. Does anyone else think that traipsing all
the way up to Watford (well Harrow) with a wee present for a girl I
barely know now looks a bit sad in the cold light of day? Still, there's
always Camber Sands to look forward too. I'm a bit perturbed by David's
last, rather chaste posting; shouldn't we all be bonking like rabbits
down there? It'll be like Glastonbury with sprung beds, dodgems and
glitter. Well, here's hoping.

Before that though, Sinisterines, a date for your diary. Chris T-T and
the Duckyfuzz play with Matinee at Club V Upstairs at the Garage,
Highbury on March 6. The gig coincides with the release of T-T's first
album, 'Beatverse', and there will at last be some news around then as
to who's going to be releasing our stuff (I'm the bassist in Matinee, by
the way). While we're on the meglalomaniac tip, there's still time to
check the bargain bins for Streamline's 'Best Un-Herd' British,
currently our only recorded product. Kind strangers are now comparing us
to the Go Betweens and The Man From Delmonte but judge for yourselves: 
The dates, a new guestbook and snippets of a new song, 'Thoroughly
Modern', are on our site at 
http://www.members.tripod.com/~the_embankment

Oh... and in my CD player: Dan Penn and the BMX Bandits' 'That Summer
Feeling', 'XYZ' by Moose, 'Astronauts' by Stephen Duffy, 'Good Humor' by
Saint Etienne, 'A Night At The Opera' by Queen, Ed Ball's 'It's Kind Of
Lonely Where I Am' and Hole's great version of 'It's All Over Now Baby
Blue'.

Guess I should go practise :-(

Martin, Matinee

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From evanbear at xxx.com  Mon Feb 15 23:48:12 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:48:12 -0500
Subject: Sinister: B&S new album and E.P.
References: <9025451515021999/A08449/ADVAX1/11D27BED1200*@MHS>
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<<<np - eric satie - gymnoperdie (bringing a little culture to the smut
and cardies)>>>

local "classical" band called Virtual Consort which consists of an arch
guitar (cross between lute and guitar), Trumpet, and electric bass
guitar named their latest album after these pieces and does very cool
versions of #1 and #3
also some kick arse arrangements of Stravinsky, Nino rota (from "8
1/2"), lots of other stuff
dunno if anyone listens to national public radio (the best thing outside
of community and college radio, not saying much) they get played a lot
(one of the npr babies) and got famous on prarie home companion (ugh ich
ptoo) towns under 2000 (or whatever number) contest which has the "best"
artists from small towns
blah anyway
i think some people on here might dig Virtual Consort esp since the
trumpet player is wunnerful and quiet and not what most trumpet players
are
and the music is muy pretty and perfect lying in the grass on windy day
music
-----Ev
np-East River Pipe-Goodbye, California
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I would feel much better
If I knew you got this letter
'Cause the road that lays between us
Is one week long
And I don't have the bread
To come and see you now
---"Letter To Bread"-- Scud Mtn. Boys

my home page:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/dixiecluck

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From stray4f at xxx.net  Tue Feb 16 02:29:18 1999
From: stray4f at xxx.net (quiet)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:29:18 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Elliott Smith
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>Cheers,
>Rich
>
>ps Whilst in the US i got an elliot smith album either called KIll
>Rock Stars or on the Kill Rock Stars label (or both). Can anyone tell
>me anything about it?

    Elliott was in a mediocre band called Heatmiser, but made great solo
recordings on his own.  Heatmiser's best record came out in 96 on Virgin,
but was not promoted at all as the band was breaking up.  Sam Coomes went on
to form the wonderfull Quasi with ex-wife/Sleater-Kinney drummer Janet
Weiss, and Neil Gust went on to form the band called simply "number two",
while Elliott focused on his solo recordings.
    Elliot's first solo album was released by a tiny Portland Oregon based
label called Cavity Search.  The record was titled "Roman Candle" and was
followed by two albums for the label Kill Rock Stars, an Olympia Washington
label that released seminal records by Heavens to Betsy, Bikini Kill,
Sleater-Kinney, Unwound, and Bratmobile.  They were also the US label for
Huggy Bear and Glasgow's own Lungleg, and released not-so-seminal records by
Mary Lou Lord.
    Your Elliot Smith record on KRS is either the self titled one that opens
with "needle in the hay" or else it is the album "either/or" from 97 from
which several songs were lifted to appear on the soundtrack to Good Will
Hunting.  Both records are great.
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From Pulpbot at xxx.com  Tue Feb 16 04:14:06 1999
From: Pulpbot at xxx.com (Pulpbot at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:14:06 EST
Subject: Sinister: sighing good-looking sighs
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Frothing collectors:

Ya'll in the D.C metro area may want to drop by Vinyl Ink in Silver Spring as
there are two B&S bootlegs gracing their racks. One was something taped off
Radio One and another, um, I forget the what and wheres. A British concert
maybe? I think the Radio One bootie had an interview and an alternate version
of Lazy Line Painter Jane. Both were about $17. Last one in's a rotten
trainspotter.
I scored a promo copy of Cat Power's Moon Pix for about $5; ripped it from the
hands of my gullible companion, I did. Sooooo amazing! I hear she recorded it
after a break-down at a New York concert. It sounds like the melancholy that
strikes after another 3 a.m. visit to the local Wal-Mart. Beauty in trailer
parks and oily roads and sticky children and crushes on car mechanics.
Speaking of melancholy, the almighty Washington Post mentioned B&S in its
review of that Nick Drake biography today. Just stuff about shy popsters B&S
carrying on his legacy, and what not.
And anyone contemplating seeing "Rushmore," you must, must, must go! Pathos
and idiocy and Bill Murray in Budweiser swimming trunks. The guy playing the
main character looks like the Make Up's roadie. He'd win the list crush
contest, hands down, yo momma if you think otherwise.
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From ImThomsGrl at xxx.com  Tue Feb 16 05:08:29 1999
From: ImThomsGrl at xxx.com (ImThomsGrl at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:08:29 EST
Subject: Sinister: sighing good-looking sighs
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In a message dated 2/16/99 4:28:14 AM GMT Standard Time, Pulpbot at aol.com
writes:

<< And anyone contemplating seeing "Rushmore," you must, must, must go! Pathos
 and idiocy and Bill Murray in Budweiser swimming trunks. The guy playing the
 main character looks like the Make Up's roadie. He'd win the list crush
 contest, hands down, yo momma if you think otherwise. >>

:::sigh:::::  i saw rushmore this weekend and it was very funny...
the main character you fancy so much is actually in a los angeles band called
Phantom Planet (THEYRE NOT VERY GOOD) but some of you might like them...  he's
the drummer.  Name's Jason Schwartzman..... lalala  you can find web pages on
Phantom Planet on the ultimate band list n shtuff... yup... ooookies...  bysie
bye!
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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Tue Feb 16 07:34:45 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 02:34:45 EST
Subject: Sinister: My travels overseas
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In a message dated 2/11/99 11:13:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fatslug at chickmail.com writes:

<< The Tagliest of Tags spoke thus:
 > I'm in London, and tonight I'm going to meet the
 > Fluffy one cos she's in London too.
 
 Ooh, I think I might go too, but I don't know if I can
 be bothered because I'm on holiday this week, and it's
 a lazing around at home doing nothing type of holiday >>


oh filth! If I'd only been able to find interesting people in London! I was
there from last.. thursday, i think, until monday morning and I had no-one to
talk to about music. So I drank lots instead. I see now that there are many
musical happenings soon in England. And I won't be there. Shit. 
However. I did get to sleep on the floor in a church and surprise many priests
who came in for breakfast and found me. and my youth hostel was burgled. The
bastards stole my towel, and nothing else. 
    Portobello Road is nice, i think. I like the buildings in London a lot. I
don't like priests who are rude to you when you sleep on their floor, and talk
about you while you feign sleep, then try to make you feel bad for not being
Catholic.

                    Now I'm home and it's nice
                                           Dave
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Tue Feb 16 11:15:11 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 03:15:11 -0800
Subject: Sinister: brisee en mille eclats de voix
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hehe david kitchen is funneee......

Uncle Peter, i wouldn't mind taking you up on your yeye brothel, except i
wont' be there, so never mind.  you can think of me or something.  no, that
would be really sick and creepy.

>before, she met this guy who I'm not going to name in case of impending
litigation, lets just say he knows belle and sebastian and has works with
them on cds etc (ie he's credited on the lazy line painter jane ep
) and he told her that not only have stuart and izzie kissed but have a
baby.
*GAAAAH*!!!!!!
 dont' ever DO that!!!    that's like saying elvis and marilyn had a love
child or something, it woudl be apocalyptic,  and rumours...... no.  i dont'
believe rumors.  "Ren, you're talking CRAZY talk!!"  Let us never speak of
this again.  people  who tell you things like that......well they are
cruising for pain.  SHOCK HORROR!!  whatever will we hear next?  though i
wouldn't doubt that some snoggability action  is POSSIBLE, considering
especially the cramped conditions of a bus going  round the eastern parts of
america and poor neil having to sleep on the floor.  maybe at one point
during the night stuey got up to go empty his trouser snake, and toddled
back to his bunk, he was confused by tripping over neil and having to
clamber around wee chris and sarah, and ended up in isobel's bunk, thinking
she was his security friend Patchy-Boo, and copping a fondle of what he
thought were fuzzy ears.  we can only imagine.  i'm going to hell for all
the things i have said, it's true.
(EXERCISE for the literarily inclined......how many times in the preceding
paragraph has the author utilized the philosophy of "toss in every
descriptive verb you can think of" ??)

please, no more talk of mystery babies!!  i'm going to have nightmares...

i talked to my art class crush today.  i found out what her tattoo says, it
says "freewheelin'"  your guess is as good as mine.  she had strawberry
shortcake on her undershirt and barely shaven underarms, i know where the
summer goes....  broke the ice by remarking cleverly that i had the same
type of cheap plastic ring, and a discussion of thrift stores ensued.  i
also discovered in teh course of the class, overhearing talk, that she likes
the movie "boogie nights" and that she attended a mardi  gras  frat party in
which she exposed herself for beads.   ****** !well you can't win em all.
and she  still looks damn cute.   i'm sorry but you   can not pay me to see
boogie nights, just  try.  i'll frickin kill ya.   GRRRRRR!!!! why can't
everyone be as perfect as me??
i wrote a sonnet about it today.
do you ever smell someone and not really mind??   uh just me, never mind.
*EEEECH*
thus ends my "dear diary"  rant.
sinister (and girly)to the core........
LJ
PS it would also be really creepy if isobel had a baby, cos  she's like the
same age as me.....AAAAAA
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everything they never understood, they want it all explained"
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From tim.mcgregor at xxx.net  Tue Feb 16 11:57:40 1999
From: tim.mcgregor at xxx.net (Tim McGregor)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:57:40 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Muso-teletext
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Hello!

I don't know if anyone's already said this 'cause I'm on the digest, but
there's an interview with Stuart David about Looper's single/album releases
&some other stuff on the chanel 4 teletext music pages (pg 483 I think)
today. That's a UK t.v. thang.  Kindofsortof B&S content....
bye,

Tim


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From rclander at xxx.net  Tue Feb 16 13:35:14 1999
From: rclander at xxx.net (Richard Lander)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:35:14 +0800
Subject: Sinister: By the seaside
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Wish I could go to the festival (sigh).

I have been to Camber Sands many years ago (well 1977), not the holiday centre but the 'place' itself. Back then it was just one beach cafe selling dinghys and crap ice cream. The man who worked there told us that 'Carry On - Follow That Camel' was filmed there and he worked as an extra on the film. He had Phil Silvers autograph which really impressed my dad.
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From mazzy_ana at xxx.com  Tue Feb 16 14:56:17 1999
From: mazzy_ana at xxx.com (ana simic)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:56:17 GMT
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he definitely decided I'm not good enough for him....can you believe 
that??????????

*Ana*
...."lovesick on a sunny afternoon"

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From WarranderJ at xxx.uk  Tue Feb 16 17:36:17 1999
From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:36:17 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Gabba Gabba
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Hello Lovelies,

I have to admit, the euphoria's wearing off a bit and I'm starting
to have doubts about Bowliefest. Something to do with the generally
whiter-than-white, dull, indieboy rock line-up? Er, Maybe. Let's face
it, that Belle and Sebastian losers are just a bunch of retro copyists.
What we need is an alternative "Bowlie Fringe". Something a bit
more spicy. Perhaps a freak show tent? Are there any freaks on the
list willing to put themselves forward for the role? There's a guy in
Manchester who you can hire for functions, etc. who has a
dartboard tattooed on his back. For a suitably large wad of cash
people can line-up and throw darts at him. You can even play John
Inman's rendition of the "laughing policeman" while you're at it if
that's what tickles your fancy. More "nutter" than "freak" I guess,
but it's a start. Maybe the "Live TV" people could film an episode
of topless darts there. That'd be good. If Tag doesn't get a
ticket he'd still see a bit on the telly.

Big gay Julian's also got it into his head that he wants to get
arrested for indecent exposure. Probably inspired by his run-in
with the long arm of the law after masturbating at a coachload of
red scum (that's Man United supporters to normal people) on Sunday.
Unfortunately the fuzz are trying to stitch him up and claim it was
a school party. I'm sure it'll all get sorted out in court. Anyway, we
could have an unofficial competition to see who gets arrested the
most times for indecent exposure over the weekend. No prizes
would be involved, you'd just have to do it for the respect and
admiration of your contemporaries and friends.

Mrs Warrander John wants a "Meet Peter Miller" marquee and
I'm sure that would prove particularly popular with us all.

And if we're all going to have to dance til four in the morning for
three days running, I hope somebody out there is ensuring there'll
be a reasonable supply of, er... never mind.

Did somebody say "Brits tonight"? I've got all my fingers crossed.
And other bits. That's a side-show in itself.

Love...John
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From rhendin at xxx.edu  Tue Feb 16 19:42:05 1999
From: rhendin at xxx.edu (rhendin)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:42:05 -0500
Subject: Sinister: sighing good-looking sighs
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Rushmore is a great film..there is a great mix of brit. invasion era music.

The highlight is a smaple of "A Quick One" From the Who's Live at Leeds. I 
nice surprise to hear that song in the film.

Rob

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From apilchak at xxx.edu  Tue Feb 16 19:44:02 1999
From: apilchak at xxx.edu (angela pilchak)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:44:02 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V3 #54
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hello!

I have a quick question about the festival that maybe david could answer.
the tickets have to be bought in groups of 4-7 i know, but do all the
tickets have to be paid for on the same credit card or can four seperate
cards be used to buy four tickets?  thank you!  

-=angela=-
apilchak at umich.edu

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From teurling at xxx.de  Tue Feb 16 18:09:23 1999
From: teurling at xxx.de (Horszowski)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:09:23 +0100
Subject: Sinister: help the aged: Outsider art tonight on TV
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Hello everyone!

A documentary about art, poetry and cafés that struan himself made
recently will be broadcastet tonight on TV in Germany. And you just
can't find a single bloke over there to tape it for you. Cool down, it's
not true, it's not true! 

But seriously: I met a slovenian student who is really the biggest Pulp
fan I've ever known (or can imagine of). And tonight, there's that
documantary of Jarvis Cocker called "Outsider art" in UK telly... On
Channel 4 at 23.00, as he told me (Hope I didn't misunderstand him
completely and it's a radio show. how embarassing would that be..;-)).
He's on the Pulp list, but he couldn't find anybody to do a tape. I
really don't like the thought that he might not get anything - so I ask
you listees in the UK to do me the big, big favor a tape (or a copy of
one, if you need the original for your own) for me/him. 

I don't want to offer you just any crap trade for payment (though your
cost will be refound, naturally), if someone cares it would be a great
pleasure for me to send something that I really like. Lesley Jo
mentioned Eric Matthews recently - shame on me that I didn't send her
Valentines greetings for it. I once bought a promo copy of his whole
first LP though I just own it both on CD an vinyl, 'cause it's so
wonderful. I kept it since for special present... As I did with the
Moose album "live a little..." which was mentioned as much as it
deserves in the past here on the list. Ore some other things..

Here are so many French people on the list - I wonder why there is not
more talk about the wonderful Pop groups you got there. I don't want to
start any boring namedropping here- the post gets too long anyway - but
I absolutely have to mention Autour de Lucie with their classic first
album "l'echappée belle" which is still my personal most-loved pop
album. Wonderful accords of pure guitars, a certain light of melancholy
on every song, an absolutly lovely, clear female voice which never gets
sentimental and leaves the space for the emotions in the harmonies of
the songs themselves. And so are the lyrics..Oh, I think now it's me
who's getting a bit too sentimental. But when I saw Belle and Sebastian
in Amsterdam and Brussels, I just knew this feeling of a constant smile
in my face from the Autour-de-Lucie concerts in Belgium. 
Stéphane, when I once visited your Twee-Site, I felt home when you
listed them under your best recent concert experiences. 

So - to come to an end - this was my first post here, but I've just been
here for ages. I shoud introduce... I'm Ralf and from Aachen in Germany,
which is only 40 km away from Liege, where you can find all this great
french records which are hardly unknown on this side of the border. 
If anyone got curious and would like a tape or an other form of copy -
help the aged, please. 

See you soon again, Ralf

P.S. Who was the person who mentioned Mercury Rev here for the first
time? I owe you one of my best concert experiences ever...
P.P.S. Elena in Düsseldorf and Alex in Heerlen, sorry for beeing too
quiet too long - I'll mail you soon.


>Is anyone going to record the documentary Jarvis made? It is on >Channel 4 23:00. pllllleeeaasseee
>It will be in the UK, but no-one seems to be good enough from the Pulp
>list to record it for me... :(
>Kristof
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From sleeka_sounds at xxx.com  Tue Feb 16 20:56:43 1999
From: sleeka_sounds at xxx.com (Sleeka Sounds)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:56:43 PST
Subject: Sinister: Bloody Hell!
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They won!!!!!

Horaay for Belle and Sebastian!!!!!!

Bloody hell....

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From mark at xxx.uk  Tue Feb 16 21:04:43 1999
From: mark at xxx.uk (Mark Pattison)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:04:43 -0000
Subject: Sinister: YAYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
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WELL DONE EVERYONE!!! ESPECIALLY B&S!!!!


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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Tue Feb 16 21:11:09 1999
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:11:09 -0500
Subject: Sinister: We called, we surfed, they conquered
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Hi All,

Congrats to Messrs Belle & Sebastian for winning the Best Newcomers award
at the Brits. Well done chaps. Hope you can cope with being famous, and
still get to do things the way you want to.

Exciting, innit?

David Moore
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From Ihamilt at xxx.com  Tue Feb 16 21:22:30 1999
From: Ihamilt at xxx.com (Ihamilt at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:22:30 EST
Subject: Sinister: YAYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
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FUCKING HELL- YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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From alex at xxx.nl  Tue Feb 16 21:33:23 1999
From: alex at xxx.nl (alex tobin)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:33:23 +0100
Subject: Sinister: erp...
Message-ID: <36C9E423.445953B5@tobin.demon.nl>


we did it!  great god almighty, we did it!!!  phew.  wow.  oh my.  what
a very strange day it did turn out to be!

alex

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From nptc2 at xxx.uk  Tue Feb 16 21:35:08 1999
From: nptc2 at xxx.uk (Neil)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:35:08 +0000 (GMT)
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WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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From ar981611 at xxx.uk  Tue Feb 16 22:04:23 1999
From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:04:23 +0000
Subject: Sinister: WHOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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What can I say?  For once, I am gobsmacked.  We do indeed rule not only
the school, but the world!!!!!

Does this mean posters of Stuart and Isobel in Smash Hits now?  I do
hope so!  

Well done everyone (except the other bands obviously) and watch out for
the papers wondering how "little-known" Belle and Sebastian could
possibly beat all those bona fide Top Ten pop stars...hey, I just
thought.  B & S are properly famous now.  Stuart will have to hang out
at the Met Bar and get married to Shaznay Lewis or something.  Isobel
can have a "secret drugs hell" and Stevie and Chris can be seen with
attractive mystery blondes at Stringfellows.  

By the way, for those worried that this could lead to B & S getting too
big and popular, can I remind you all that this is the award once won by
Tasmin Archer amd Beverley Craven.  Didn't improve their standing in the
nationale psyche, did it?

Ailsa xx
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From chris.jones at xxx.uk  Tue Feb 16 22:03:16 1999
From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1999 22:03:16 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Cow, Giraffe, B&S win at the Brits! What next!
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chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk
http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm

Congratulations and a very large pork pie to B&S!

Chris Jones.
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From bp224996 at xxx.edu  Tue Feb 16 23:04:38 1999
From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:04:38 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Is Winter Woofkie really a song title?
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Hm...
	Personally I'd say no, but then I recall the name of their last album.
It's still funny to consider, though. Maybe that'll be the name of the
fourth album. What the hell is a woofkie anyhow?
	Well, I really shouldn't be writing this, as I should be doing what I
am required to spend 90% of my time on: developing & printing
photographs. Argh! No replies to personal e-mails in probably two weeks.
Sorry about that all of you who know what I'm talking about. Likewise
sorry to those I owe tapes to...
	So, Loneliness will be the single, eh? I'm quite pleased, I can't
imagine a better single. If there are no Stevie songs on the Winter
Woofkie, where will Wrong Girl go? Hm, who knows... 
	Isn't it interesting to note, though, that they seem to play lots of
songs which later appear on EPs before official release, and most of the
songs they record on albums are not on sessions, etc. Just an
interesting overgeneralization, nothing more.
	To the person who commented about US TV & Radio, I think you might like
to rephrase that. You must, of course, mean the musical shows/channels
on US TV, right? I mean, we do have an awful lot of crap on TV, but who
can knock the country which came up with Space Ghost Coast to Coast,
Dexter's Laboratory & The Tick? Plus, I've been surprised by some shows
I found interesting on VH1. Namely that program where they track down
members of old (mostly 80's) bands and say where they are now. I was
pleased to watch segments on both Thomas Dolby and Dexy's. Another part
of the appeal is to see how sad some people have become. Some member of
some new wave groop was saying how he did soundtracks to pornos, but
that it was "not what you might think," and that he only did music for
"classy," pornos. A clip of the intro of one of said "classy" pornos
yielded an opposing observation by myself. Too, most of our radio sucks,
and I say that as a music director. But, you must not overlook our many
wonderful "oldies," stations.
	Incidentally, I am not all that surprised to find that Stevie is a fan
of Booker T & the MGs. In fact, I was listening to said oldies radio one
day last Christmas, and a song came on and I could swear it sounded so
much like B&S, what with that organ & all. Well, more like B&S than most
stuff on oldies radio anyway =P  A questioning of my mother yielded that
it was most likely Booker T. & the MGs. It wasn't "Green Onions," but
it's not on the album I picked up by them either. I heard it again last
week, but you know they never tell you what songs are playing, or in
most cases, the bands either.
	So in summation, B&S won a Brit, huh? Well did they give a speech or
anything? "This is for all you lovely people on the Sinister List," or
something of the like? Or maybe "This is Pish, I'm leaving." 
 
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From mctag at xxx.com  Tue Feb 16 22:56:47 1999
From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:56:47 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Anyone for a Dutch oven?
Message-ID: <36caf77d.1334066@post.demon.co.uk>


Hello Poopy Pants,

Blimey.  They winned.  Well golly-gee.   I wish I hadn't voted for
Steps now, no-one likes to back a loser.

Talking of losers, Warrander John wrote:

>I have to admit, the euphoria's wearing off a bit and I'm starting
>to have doubts about Bowliefest. Something to do with the generally
>whiter-than-white, dull, indieboy rock line-up?  Er, maybe

So readers, guess what John "Shabba" Warrander has decided to do this
weekend.  Is he going to keep it real with the d n'b massive,
freestyling live in the area with his posse?  No, he's going to an
indie all-dayer in Sheffield with Nealy Weely.

>a coachload of red scum (that's Man United supporters to normal people)

You were right the first time.

>And if we're all going to have to dance til four in the morning for
>three days running, I hope somebody out there is ensuring there'll
>be a reasonable supply of, er... never mind.

Ooh, drugs innuendo!  What a clever boy.  John, do you fancy a solo on
the old organic harmonica, nudge, nudge....or maybe a snifter of
Billy, or some Bogota Baby Powder, knowwarrimean?  Of course no-one
will be taking drugs there, we're all high on life, love and jelly
babies.  I do wonder how we've got a hope in hell of getting tickets
seeing as how it will take only 600 phone calls to sell out.  I think
they should do a residency.  Every weekend throughout the summer.
With songs, and sketches, and jokes old and new.  Make the lazy
bastards earn their award.

I just went to see Pecker again.   I love John Waters.  People say
it's not as good as his early filthy stuff, but I say tish and fipsy.


Night night,
Love Tag xxx
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From steve at xxx.uk  Tue Feb 16 23:01:26 1999
From: steve at xxx.uk (Steve Genge)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:01:26 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Teletext news: B&S trimuph
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Then, in the first real surprise of the night, the Best British newcomer
award went to eight-piece Glasgow folk pop band Belle and Sebastian, who
have barely dented the charts in their three-year career, but beat the likes
of Steps, Billie and Cornershop in the category, which is chosen by
listeners of BBC Radio One.

The award was presented to two of the group by Huey from US band Fun Lovin'
Criminals and Radio 1 DJ Zoe Ball who has just announced her engagement to
Norman Cook, alias Fatboy Slim.

-----------------------

Cant wait to see it on TV tomorrow now and thankfully we'll still be able to
switch off before the Eurythmics reunion.

By the way you can read a rather ace (I can say this,  I didn't write it!)
article on Looper by following the URL below :o)

steve x






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From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 00:23:12 1999
From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:23:12 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Wooohoooo
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From Snowinsumr at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 05:05:31 1999
From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:05:31 EST
Subject: Sinister: ...this is hardcore...
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dear "jarvis cocker is practically never mentioned in here" diary...

people are too complicated, diary... i've attempted to push painful shyness
aside and talk to people in my surroundings...i find much more contentment and
fulfillment from sitting in my room and listening to my smiths vinyl than i
find with any other human being that i am around... sad to some, maybe...but i
think it's only right for me to feel comfortable...i cannot feel comfortable
with people gossiping or being mean to one another...solitude can be a lovely
thing as long as you have a turntable and a good stock of rain-scented
candles...i am still plotting ways to smuggle myself into the UK in time for
the festival...maybe there i would find some wonderful people to picnic with
and share some of my orange juice with...my, i think that would be
charming...i'd be sure to bring twisty-straws...they are so much fun...my
favorite are the red ones...

love, 
m. elise
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From lonelyhighway at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 06:31:12 1999
From: lonelyhighway at xxx.com (Corpora Arenacea)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:31:12 PST
Subject: Sinister: -God musta spent a little less time on me-
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Yeah, in fact that was my copy of Pussy Power's "Poon Mix" that Fraulein 
Pulpina snatched away. Only the people who didn't actually grow up in 
trailer parks can have the luxury of wanting to hear more about it. 

In fact I'm good and sick of her whining. My friend in Japan got to buy 
one CD for the next six months when she visited Sapporo, and bought 
that, and she says that now every time she listens to it in the car she 
wants to drive right off the cliff. Mind you  I used to think it 
'entrancing', I was the only person at her first Matador showcase to not 
blink an eye for the entirety of her sixty-minute drumless set. Intense, 
man. 

Since the splenectomy the doc's had me on a strict diet of folk-rock and 
light cock pop, though.

***Hiiiiidey ho**** to all y'all I met at the Sloan show! Oh, Sloan were 
great, I could hardly believe it. For a bunch of Nucks. (!) MAAD 
P!r!O!p!s! to Ginger who was representin' periwinkle stylee! Hope you 
had a place to sleep that night you footloose and fancy free loader.  
Believe it - that =was= my best behavior- thank you for being civil 
everyone. The Vietnam story was a big joke. Sorry. I love you all-

Is Monica Queen one of those big Martha Wash-lookin' divas? Cuz she sure 
sounds hot. Wanna see her bourgeois pasties.

Convenience junkies take note: all 4 EP's do in fact fit on a 74 minute 
CD. I'm sellin' em out the trunk for $59.95. I titled it "Belle and 
Sebastian :: Pre-Brit Rarities". 

Peace out, yo! Keep it real up inna field, aiight! Halifax, toppa da 
food chain!


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From bferneyhough at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 09:10:28 1999
From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (Ben Ferneyhough)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:10:28 GMT
Subject: Sinister: dazed !!
Message-ID: <199902170910.JAA21249@brookes.ac.uk>


Well, woke up, and put the TV on, and "Lazy Line" video was on TV, on Channel 
4. Eh ?!! I thought I was dreaming, then Johnny Vaughn said "and here we have 
in the house 2 live Brits award winners, Belle and Sebastian" Eh ?!! I then 
had to wait another 15 minutes till the news bit came on and they said it 
again, and an interview, and then "Is it wicked" video. I still can't believe 
it. Well doen to us all that voted and to the bad for being so brilliant.
 
Ben.
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From ThisSffrng at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 09:26:58 1999
From: ThisSffrng at xxx.com (ThisSffrng at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 04:26:58 EST
Subject: Sinister: belle&sebastian in the u.s. ??
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does anyone know if Belle and Sebastian would ever tour the U.S. ??
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From giita at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 09:36:36 1999
From: giita at xxx.com (Aileen Hammond)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:36:36 PST
Subject: Sinister: Well, of course ..Bowlie Weekender....(!)
Message-ID: <19990217093636.7475.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hi there Sinisters,
I know you�ve probably heard enough of this Camber Sands thing..but..
Do you think I�m stupid to go all the way from Iceland to this thing?
To a country I haven�t been to in 3-4 years?..Get lost in big old 
England..No..I will have the time of my life! My dream come true..
(I�ll have to get a job if I want to save enough money!)

Matt, I lost your e-mail address could you mail it to me please?
Did you say you�re coming to Iceland? Great :) Keep in touch..

Sweet dreams everyone...

Giita

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From WarranderJ at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 09:57:06 1999
From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:57:06 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Fair Weather Fans
Message-ID: <51F7EB9834B0D011B56C0000F8303B004ABE31@masslab1>


Wow, it's the morning after. Did anyone else hear a female shout
"We beat Steps" in the background when Richard and Mick were
being interviewed on Radio 1 last night? I had a feeling they might
be on the Big Breakfast this morning too, so I put my sensibilities
to one side and tuned in. But did it happen while I was eating my
breakfast? No it bloody well didn't. Bother.

Anyway, McMcRagTag is trying to get one over on me:

>So readers, guess what John "Shabba" Warrander has decided to do this
>weekend.  Is he going to keep it real with the d n'b massive,
>freestyling live in the area with his posse?  No, he's going to an
>indie all-dayer in Sheffield with Nealy Weely.

Mmm, funny response considering it was the ginger one that told me
to write that in the first place. I suppose I shouldn't be so naive and
trusting. Did someone say "manipulative little ginger prick"? Couldn't
have been me. I've not got a potty mouth.

Anyway, yes indeedy people. It's pop-a-go-go weekend and it's going to
be great. Ted Benson have cancelled so I don't know who's headlining
now, but with Marine Research, Sportique and a whole host of other pop
greats to keep us entertained for a full thirteen hours, well who cares?
If
any of the bands happen to turn you off (unlikely I know) then you can
always take refuge at a "real" indie disco which will be happening on
another floor and it'll be playing the best indie music...Ever! for you
to
shake your hips at. And the whole event will be completely drug free.
Doing for the kids? Well, the "young at heart" anyway. And yes, Neelie
Wheelie WILL be appearing at this event. Sadly, he won't actually be
with
me. So get yourself down to Sheffield's Boardwalk. MIdday Saturday
'til 1am. See you there.

Oh, and McMcTag isn't attending this special day since he "has to go
and see [his team] City". So how much times is that you'll have been
to Maine Road this season? Just the once? Loser.

Having a "Brits" party tonight? Me too.
Love...John
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From mrsmurdoch at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 09:57:00 1999
From: mrsmurdoch at xxx.com (Mrs Murdoch)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:57:00 PST
Subject: Sinister: I don't belieeeeeve it!
Message-ID: <19990217095700.15251.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello all, it's Mrs. Murdoch here, Stuart's mum.

I must say I have a bit of a hangover this morning - I had a few to many 
sherries with Mr. Murdoch and Stuart after Belle and Sebastian won the 
Brit Award.  Who would have thought it?  I certainly didn't, I voted for 
Another Level.  Those muscular young soul boys really get me in the mood 
for a horizontal Charleston.   

But I am terribly proud.  Now Stuart has 'made it' I'm sure he will look 
after me in my old age.  I don't want much, just a nice country mansion 
and my on private masseur, an Italian boy will do nicely.  Mr. Murdoch 
has requested Stuart buys him a BC RICH Warlock guitar, the pointy one.

We were all falling about laughing over breakfast this morning.  In the 
Glasgow Herald there is a picture of Stuart's friends Mick and Richard. 
They've got their names the wrong way round, and called Mick "Nick".  
How funny!  As the lady on the radio said last night "It's Wicked Not to 
Care".  They just don't do they?

To celebrate today, we're going to take Stuart into Glasgow and buy him 
a girls dress.

Lots of Love,
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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 10:02:10 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:02:10 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: out of the real world
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9902170956150.22577-100000@granby>




HEY!


We won!!!!!I thought the Brits ceremony was taking place today, so far
from the madding crowd my life is, locked in my laboratory ten hours per
day...(well, say six, should be here about ten, but...)But it's on the
telly tonight isn't it? Did 'they' (as now they are true stars, I won't
pronounce their names anymore, as we cannot call Prince  Prince and so on)
get onto the stage and pick the thingy from Zoe's pixie-shaped hands?

Next time I am going to the hairdresser or the dentist,instead of James
Major and Emma Noble on Hello cover announcing their wedding in June,
Isobel will be smiling next to the 13th Duke of Northumberland who is 18
and currently being educated at Eton, proclaiming they are so much in love
in spite of all their differences, and he cannot wait to see her wearing
her McQueen-tailored bride gown.


I am dying to see it! Isobel would fit perfectly with the Northumberland's
castle (see The Guardian, yesterday)

Cheers

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From jordi-tv at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 08:21:56 1999
From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:21:56 +0100
Subject: Sinister: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <19990217112156.HM.00000000000CZPq@mixmail.com>


....F�����G GREAT !!!!!!!!! 

OH, PLEASE, I BEG, DID ANYONE TAPE THE BRITS ? I�D PAY AN
YTHING FOR HAVING SUCH A WONDERFUL MOMENT. A CATALAN KIND WO
ULD BE REALLY THANKFUL !!!!!!!!!!

E-MAIL ME BACK, PLEASE !!!!

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From honey at xxx.net  Wed Feb 17 10:57:52 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:57:52 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: UK, Talk Radio, 10:44am today
In-Reply-To: <199902171044.KAA17149@mailhub.solent.ac.uk>
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Presenter: What about this British Newcomer Award, David, surely YOU
must know who "Belle and Sebastian" are, how DID they do it??

David, "music critic": They're a duo from Scotland, they write sweet
songs, but really they're terribly whimsical...

Jonathan King: Oh come ON, EVERYTHING from Scotland is a disaster...

honey xxx
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From shop at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 10:38:20 1999
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:38:20 +0000
Subject: Sinister: brits shocker!!  thank you all sooooo much from the band and us
Message-ID: <36CA9C1C.CC2A22FB@jeepster.co.uk>


this is just the quick message, obviously we're in a state of shock, and because
of the sheer amount of joy consumed last night we're in a bit of a state.

the band have all said that they want to say thanks to each and every one of you,
richard is ecstatic and will probably help pen a mail to you all later.

but for now, thank you all so so much for all of the hard work you did, cliche,
but it was for you as much as the band.

we're going to work out a way of saying thank you properly later this week, but
for now i hope these words will suffice. you did a lot, and it means a lot to us
all.

the rest of the band were in the studio last night still mixing the new album, the
first thing they said when we got through to them after the announcement was to
say thanks to everyone who voted for them ESPECIALLY all of the people on the net,
which is you!

anyhow, i'm going to go and nurse my hangover.

cheers!! 

david (& katrina & all at jeepster & the band!)

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From kenny at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 11:16:50 1999
From: kenny at xxx.uk (jake)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:16:50 -0000
Subject: Sinister: no, they can't have won...........
Message-ID: <199902171116.LAA22451@mailhost.dircon.co.uk>


Now everyone will hear them and they won't be sensitive and they'll release
christmas records and be asked to join in in multi-band medleys for the
royal variety performance................

Just joking, i couldn't be more pleased, great news and we can all be proud
that we played our part. I missed the big breakfast appearence but i've had
radio one on just waiting to hear them play some b&s, but they're still
fighting the urge.......

And as for the award ceremony, well from what i've read it was Mick and
Richard who went up and collected the award, and all i heard about the
speech was that it had the phrase, "hi, i'm sebastian and he's belle" or
something like that....

And just a final comment on the free looper cd, well today's the last day
for entries, so i can send it out pretty soon, leaders so far are the bloke
who's black mailing me (you know who you are!) and not-so-sensitive stan
who said that sarah would win the wrestling contest between the members of
B&S because she'ld eat them all, shame on you!

oh, and this weekender fest is now going to be full of "new fans" boo!
(again, i'm just joking)
jake
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 11:31:52 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:31:52 +0000
Subject: Sinister: [steps-list]: re: brits
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YEAH???
So Belle and Sebastian won, LOOK! Just LOOK what calamity and tradgedy
they caused on the Steps list!!!! NO-one even knows who they are!!
You'll be pleased to know that I took pleasure in confirming it :)

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well, i don't know if this is right but i just heard that some group
called belle and sebastian won the best newcomer award (who the hell
are they anyway, i've never heard of them!!)

can anyone confirm whether this is right or not??

cat

SOD STEPS! WE RULE! And I am personally going to shove a stripey jumper
and fluffy cardigan and a cup of tea UP ALL MY FRIENDS WHO SAID THEY
WERE SHITS ARSES!

Even though they will just throw back - so who won the Brits last year
Sarah? Stereophonics? Kula Shaker? I rest my case hem hem. Bugger.

Well. WE WON! I wanna Brits party too! OOOOOH!!! *exciting*!!!!!!!
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Fluffy Candarel
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From macarthur at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 12:24:20 1999
From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:24:20 -0000
Subject: Sinister: UK, Talk Radio, 10:44am today
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dear jolly cardie's

awww, did you see them later on, on the bigger breakfast, when they said
they'd had strict instructions from friends to get autographs from people,
and got a brit award? gee, that was cool!

gawd, i'm still a bit dazed and confused.

love Erica
(list baby)
mwah!
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From snorman at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 13:05:33 1999
From: snorman at xxx.uk (Sam Norman)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:05:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: last night
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow!

Ok so last night i wasn't listening to the brits i must admit.
I didn't even realise that they won until 11.00am this morning but bloody 
hell i won last night as well.

We went out on the town last night, (after being a memebr of the audience 
for a new comedy show about the net [net.comedy] and we eventually found 
our way to madame jo jo's. 

God was it a good night. not only did i pull but she came back to mine as 
well and i got my first bit of proper action in over a year and a half 
(not just the once but 3 times) to a soundtrack of belle and sebastian! 

We had no idea that they had won!

Anyway full of pride and renewed self esteem

many congrats!

sam

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From snorman at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 13:16:00 1999
From: snorman at xxx.uk (Sam Norman)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:16:00 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: brits press release
Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9902171300.A4926-0100000@se1.ssees.ac.uk>


please forgive me for posting twice in a day but i've just got this, 
which is the press release from the brit awards about our favourites

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BEST BRITISH NEWCOMER 

     The Best British Newcomer Award at the 1999 BRIT Awards has gone to 
up and coming
     indie stars BELLE & SEBASTIAN. 

     The eight-piece band from Glasgow released their debut album in 
1996. Their acclaimed
     third album from last year - 'The Boy With The Arab Strap' - made it 
to Number 12 in the
     UK album chart. 

     The group's award, voted for by listeners of Radio 1, was presented 
by Fun Lovin'
     Criminals' singer HUEY and Radio 1 presenter ZOE BALL. 

     Belle & Sebastian were ranked third favourite to win the award with 
15% of the poll
     prediction vote, after 5ive (38%) and Another Level (19%). 

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"Up and coming indie stars"

Well surely now they are indie stars - not that we ever disputed that

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From ETLRDHY at xxx.se  Wed Feb 17 13:07:25 1999
From: ETLRDHY at xxx.se (ETLRDHY at xxx.se)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:07:25 +0000
Subject: Sinister: So B&S won a brit award, big wow..........
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No, really. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But what if it's all just a wonderful
dream and they ring up and they have to give it back or something terrible
like that. I mean what if we're all experiencing some sort of mass
hallucination a la Jim Jones and Stuart Murdoch is going to use us for
somekind of dirty and ultimately perverted end??????????????
GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!! If you play the doggy ep backwards I'm sure there's a bit
about inner peace and enlightenment through the use (hey kids I don't abuse
drugs I uooouuuuuuse drugs, cha!) of Birds Angel Delight.
Richard (and I'm not into rock'n'roll I'm more of a peeping tom really)
Feely

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From L.Kerr at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 14:11:37 1999
From: L.Kerr at xxx.uk (L. Kerr)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:11:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Not all good news
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.990217135545.30786B-100000@torduff.hw.ac.uk>


	
So sure was I that B&S were not going to win, so convinced of the inherent
superiority of Steps, that I rashly promised to post to sinister every day
for a fortnight if they won.  

Hell.

So, err

Someone mentioned the widely surpressed rumour about a love-child
emanating from Isobel and Mrs Murdoch's favourite son.

It is true.

It is wee Chris.  


The Scotsman (the Edinburgh based national newspaper)is the first paper I
have read which mentions that B&S
winning was "a surprise".  Everyone else has been too polite.

Linda









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From akumulator at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 15:13:55 1999
From: akumulator at xxx.com (paul dean)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:13:55 EST
Subject: Sinister: brits photo
Message-ID: <19990217151355.1898.qmail@hotmail.com>



go visit
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1999/02/99/brit_awards/newsid_280000/280847.stm
 for a photo of a suitably shocked mick & richard (mystery men indeed)


s'later

pd

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From eliam at xxx.edu  Wed Feb 17 15:38:38 1999
From: eliam at xxx.edu (Marie Elia)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 99 10:38:38 -0500
Subject: Sinister: storm in a teacup.
Message-ID: <199902171530.KAA07840@pellns.alleg.edu>


someone's post today mentioned looking back at this and seeing it as  
a storm in a teacup...  i looove that phrase!

anyway, good morning, sinisterites....
it is morning here in the eastern US.  it's funny -- all the fuss  
over there in the UK, and no one here (at my wee liberal arts college  
in pennsylvania) has heard of belle&sebastian, or the brit awards.   
so while i've been walking about with b&s on my headphones, smiling a  
secret smile thinking of our beloveds winning the award, it's funny  
how little this has affected the people around me.  i can imagine all  
you kids over in england and scotland and such, getting sloshed in  
celebration and watching various and sundry interviews and videos on  
the t.v., meanwhile back at the ranch (yeah, western PA) people go  
about their business as if nothing has happened.  


perhaps kimmy and i should have our own britaward party this weekend?   
we can pick up a jug of wine and watch the wicked video over and over  
again, since that is the only video that has made it over here, to my  
knowledge -- although perhaps we can catch the looper video.... and  
we can make collages with the various magnet and cmj and spin  
magazines lying about on my floor!  


okay, kids -- take care,
and i guess i should jump on the bandwagon and say
P!r!O!P!s! to belle&sebastian!!!!!!

xo,
marie

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From honey at xxx.net  Wed Feb 17 16:06:20 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:06:20 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: brits photo
In-Reply-To: <19990217151355.1898.qmail@hotmail.com>
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On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, paul dean wrote:

> go visit
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1999/02/99/brit_awards/newsid_280000/280847.stm
>  for a photo of a suitably shocked mick & richard (mystery men indeed)

I'll add to that with this from today's Daily Record, some of which
was passed on to me by Mrs Murdoch herself.  As she said to me:
"Christ, this is hilarious - how wrong could something be?"

http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/brits.html

Isobel on the front page??

Apart from the answer the question much asked on this list, "what is
lo-fi, exactly?" (answer: it's Belle and Sebastian), I can see at
least 5 other deliberate mistakes - they obviously haven't been
reading the FAQ.  See if you can spot them, readers.

In unrelated news, the search engine on the Sinister website gave
wonky results last night and is now having a lie down with a
paracetamol.  It'll be back at teatime, Edinburgh.

I still can't believe this.  I flicked on the video to see Richard
and Mick standing a little embarrassed by the cameraman on Channel
4's "Big Breakfast", just like Ben.  They still looked drunk, and
were forced to do a lap of honour round the studio by Johnny
Vaughan.  They're also on Reporting Scotland tonight after the BBC
news, because they were on at lunchtime.

Please note that I do not usually tape The Big Breakfast, although I
do have quite a valuable and sort-after back catalog of "classic" Zig
& Zag's.

honey xxx


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From lee at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 16:11:26 1999
From: lee at xxx.uk (Lee)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:11:26 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Festival questions and things
Message-ID: <000201be5a91$4eb9a6a0$4a7038d4@bentley>


On other matters, post brits this does'nt seem important, but....


I will hopefully be going to the festival, if i get through on the phone
lines, is it Friday? What time do the lines open? I feel like an Oasis fan.

Did David answer the credit card question or was he too hung over?

I live in Nottinghamshire by the way, feel free to get in contact if you're
stuck, maybe we can work something out. I'm male by the way with no
previous convictions.

lee 






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From tomsather at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 17:32:34 1999
From: tomsather at xxx.com (Thomas Sather)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:32:34 PST
Subject: Sinister: allo americans
Message-ID: <19990217173234.28440.qmail@hotmail.com>


Is there any Americans going to the B&S summer camp?  I want to go so 
bad I can taste but I am having problems mustering up enough people here 
in Denver to go.  Email me if any of you are in the same camp.

and...

Congrats Belle and Sebastian.  I never doubted for a second you wouldn't 
win.  

tom

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From eaws at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 17:43:02 1999
From: eaws at xxx.com (John)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:43:02 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Fair Weather Fans
Message-ID: <36367934.10.28477@mx1-12.onmedia.com>



>Ted Benson have cancelled so I don't know who's headlining now
 Marine Research are headlining actually which should hopefully mean 
that they will be playing more songs. Wish i could be there. Lucky 
you, John. My best friend's going, however, which means that she'll 
bring back lots of lovely memorabilia, so it's some consolation...

 Re. Brits, i'd honestly like to thank Honey, Tag and Starry(aka 
Fluffy Sarah) for their sheer fun postings. Especially that snippet 
from the Steps list. I'm still laughing. And still can't believe that 
they actually won --- marvellous. Sadly enough, there's no TV 
broadcast where i am, but hopefully someone(or rather, everyone)in 
the UK will tape it.

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From susannah at xxx.net  Wed Feb 17 18:02:58 1999
From: susannah at xxx.net (susannah)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 99 18:02:58 GMT
Subject: Sinister: BRITS! TITS! LIPS! POWER!
Message-ID: <990217180258.n0022680.tormentor@mail.clara.net>


Kids.
Yes me again, with my Spring/Summer 1999 post.
Do you know what was stopping me? I moved house in December and have been
convinced for two months that my modem was Kaput caused by being dropped from a
great height during the move and finally I decided to get it fixed today so I
could join in on all the BRITS! lark.
 So I disconnected all the leads, only  to find I'd stuck the modem lead in the
wrong bloody hole! Puchuuh!
I really have gone round the twist, dip dap dop, loobie-doodah.
Lots has happened. I have bought a flat in Stoke Newington and have all the
responsibilities of a Home-Owner now, with mortgages and surveys and solicitors.
Its all been a bit of a headache, the only joy being I fancy my estate agent,
yeah! I do! he has a requisite double chin and everything. I move in the end of
March so will have a little party, only it will be a small one, as its only
small, in fact theres not enough room to swing a cat, so only little people
please, Tag, Katrina, uhhh thats it. I'll sit on the doorstep.

Yeah, so the BRITS! WOOOh! The Big Breakfast this morning was hilarious, with
'laughing' Richard and 'nodding' Mick doing a little lap of honour round Johnnie
Vaughan and Kelly. Then later they joined in with the new game 'Punaround' which
involved a plot very similar to 'runaround' , only Mick couldn't decide which
way to run so just followed Richard, laughing all the while, BRIT! in hand!

I had acupuncture this afternoon, it was a bit dicky.

Camber Sands! Whats all that about? I hope theres going to be lots of
chalet-hopping. We can all go down the 'front' at night to the amusement arcades
and get beaten up by the locals.
Lets all conspire to chuck Stuart in the sea for a 'laugh' and see if he can
swim. We can put seaweed in each others beds and jellyfish in their pants. It'll
be like a geography field trip. Ace.

If you play your cards right I'll post again before summer's out.

Love 
Susannah
0171 923 9880.

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From graeme at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 18:15:38 1999
From: graeme at xxx.uk (Graeme  Crosbie)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:15:38 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Ach well... woo hoo I suppose
Message-ID: <001301be5aa1$86cf0020$1a7d883e@default>

So, I heard it on radio 1 when it was announced.
I refrained form posting.

I read the papers.
I refrained from posting.

But I just listened to Tigermilk again, so...
woohoohoo.

Thanks to everyone.  
And I mean that.
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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 13:42:36 1999
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:42:36 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: when will i, will i be famous
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Just flicking through the tabloids at lunchtime and there is no
mention of our lads and how they done good. All about robbie and his
glorious night of vindication after take that, drugs, blah blah blah.
He truly is the son of god.

Oh well, stardom may be further away than we thought.

Cheers,
Rich

ps theres a picture of stuart in this weeks nme about the bowliefest.
He has a crappy stubbly beard. Prog-rock phase next then?

'Fuck me, how did that happen' - stuart j murdoch

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From reid.dossinger at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 20:36:24 1999
From: reid.dossinger at xxx.com (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:36:24 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Brit thrilla!
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Years from now, our grandchildren will ask "Where were you when you
found out that Belle and Sebastian won a Brit?"  I'll have to make
something up, because "goofing off at work" just doesn't cut it in the
exciting answer department.

I happen to know for a fact that it was my vote that won it for them.  I
voted on the internet, and after I voted, this huge nudie picture of
Mick popped up, with a little cartoon dialog balloon that said "Thanks
for winning it for us, sweetie.  Print out this picture and bring it
'round to the church for a special surprise from Stu. M and me."  My
plane for Glasgow leaves in two hours.

But what I really want to know is, why wasn't there this much excitement
when Belle and Sebastian won the 1998 R.A.Y.A.?  For those of you who
don't know (for those of you who've been living in a cave!), that stands
for Reid's Album of the Year Award, and B&S have won two in a row.  So
where's my "ecstatic" letter from Richard?  Talk about ungrateful!

Am I the first person to wonder what Fluffy is doing on the Steps list?

> Apart from the answer the question much asked on this list, "what is
> lo-fi, exactly?" (answer: it's Belle and Sebastian), I can see at
> least 5 other deliberate mistakes - they obviously haven't been
> reading the FAQ.  See if you can spot them, readers.
>
Ooh!  Ooh!  I know!  Mr. Mitchell, call on me!  They said that TBWTAS
was their fourth album.  Okay, I don't know the four others, but I was
pretty proud of myself.  Let it never be said that I didn't read the
FAQ.  Okay, you can *say* it, as long as you don't *mean* it.

So THAT was the way I break my Sinister silence?!

Best newcummer,
   Reid


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From SPRFNK at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 20:39:26 1999
From: SPRFNK at xxx.com (SPRFNK at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:39:26 EST
Subject: Sinister: festival
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ok i was wondering what the time difference is between the US(nyc) and
england--cause if i am going to this fest i need to plan it out well
thanks
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From ar981611 at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 21:05:03 1999
From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:05:03 +0000
Subject: Sinister: You could either be successful or be us..?!?!
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I have just watched the important bit of the Brits and have recovered
sufficiently from laughing at Zoe Ball's hair to say WOO-HOO once
again.  I sacrificed watching Boyzone to bring you some more media
coverage of the little known lo-fi tweesters....

For those of you outwith Scotland, you missed some "amusing" local news
coverage of the award on the tea-time news bulletins.  Poor Mick must be
having an identity crisis with all those people calling him Nick all the
time - even Scotland Today was at it.  Those impenetrable Scottish
accents, eh?  The Brits coverage was intercut with lovely pictures of
the band relaxing in the studio.  Strangely no Stuart M or Isobel, and
Stevie was variously seen to be hiding behind the Daily Record and
throwing things at the telly.  There was a microphone to be seen, but
there was no sign at all that they were doing what the news claimed (ie
staying in to record the new album).  Sarah said something that I missed
because I was trying to find the remote control to turn up the volume.
Oh, and Neil was there too (although he did make a run for it as the
camera panned round in his direction) That was it - oh and Jackie Bird
the newsreader made the amusing observation that she thought Belle and
Sebastian was a TV series. One programme went into HMV in Glasgow and
asked a variety of baseball-hatted kids and old people of they had heard
of Belle and Sebastian (surprisingly given the wide cross-section of
people interviewed - that's sarcasm by the way - nobody had)  If only
our very own Sininster chum Alasdair Cook still worked there, eh?  They
also played one nano-second of "Is It Wicked..." and made another
amusing crack, this time about the lion not doing much.  What quality is
to be found in regional journalism....

Also on a media note, I am ashamed to admit it, but I used to go to
school with the Daily Record reporter responsible for that report so
thoughtfully posted up by Honey. He was a few years above me, but it
just goes to show what a public school education does for you...the
Herald also said that Belle and Sebastian had four albums out, so let's
all pop down to our local record shop and annoy the know-all counter
assistant for the fourth Belle and Sebastian album, brandishing various
Scottish newpapers as proof when he swears that they only have three. I
remember someone having trouble with record shop assistants before,
maybe this'll confuse them so much they'll stop pretending they know
everything.  A prize for the first one who finds someone who agrees that
there are four albums (as we say in Scotland, if the Daily Record says
it, it must be true...)  

Well that'll be it for now then.  Keep smiling kids, it's nearly Bowlie
ticket time.....

Ailsa xx
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From bfundak at xxx.edu  Wed Feb 17 21:21:07 1999
From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:21:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Thoughts on a sinister-digest V3 #57
In-Reply-To: <199902171828.SAA06017@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
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After receiving the first sinister digest of the day early this morning
with about 75% of the posts concerning the Brits and the smashing Belle
and Sebastian victory, I was wondering if it was possible to get a digest
that mentioned the Brits in every single post.

It is.

Brandt

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From uh0jm at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 22:05:23 1999
From: uh0jm at xxx.uk (James McGachie)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:05:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: B&S - Radio
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.990217220415.11870A-100000@sysa.abdn.ac.uk>


Various band members on Radio 1 this afternoon thanking fans who voted
over the internet! Brilliant!

But why the hell does Camber Sands have to be directly at the other end of
the country?!?

Any chance they'll do another gig at Butlins in Ayr?!??

later

james.

                                                                  
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From chris.jones at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 22:09:07 1999
From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1999 22:09:07 -0000
Subject: Sinister: B&S better than Eurythmics shock!
Message-ID: <199902172211.WAA12288@smtp.saqnet.co.uk>


chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk
http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm

They were cool! And the fact that the people who presented the awards kept
referring back to them was even better! 

Chris Jones.
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From bfundak at xxx.edu  Wed Feb 17 22:57:20 1999
From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:57:20 -0500
Subject: Sinister: I travelled 500 miles to find Tigermilk and all i got was Rod
  Stewart's greatest hits
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990217175720.0084ce80@mail.bgsu.edu>



Hey! Did anyone else hear that Belle and Sebastian won best newcomer at the
Brits?!

But seriously...

This popped into my head while I was doing my radio show today.  Maybe
David can answer this. (where have I heard that before?)  

Was the Tigermilk album ever bought by anyone for a low fixed price? I've
heard so many urban legends about people discovering the ark of the
covenant or giving up their first born children in attempts to find this on
vinyl that I am starting to have my doubts.

Brandt

Looking for a new sig.  Not clever enough to think of or remember a good
one. Sorry.
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From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 17 23:33:12 1999
From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:33:12 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Radio One
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From foxinthesnow_ at xxx.com  Wed Feb 17 23:38:34 1999
From: foxinthesnow_ at xxx.com (Fox in the snow)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:38:34 PST
Subject: Sinister: B&S on M+
Message-ID: <19990217233834.23366.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello,
Just a little message to let people in Quebec ( Or maybe if you are in 
Canada and get Musique PLus) that they are showing a B&S video tonite on 
La Courbe ( 10:30 to 11:00 pm east time)... 

cheers,
Karolyne



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From eliam at xxx.edu  Thu Feb 18 02:40:03 1999
From: eliam at xxx.edu (Marie Elia)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 99 21:40:03 -0500
Subject: Sinister: belle & sebastian... on the radio  (isn't that original???)
Message-ID: <199902180231.VAA08581@pellns.alleg.edu>


hey, kids...

ooh, wow.  two posts from me in a day!  so much for sinister shyness.

in honor of the brits thang, i played b&s on my radio show (i'm a DJ  
at our measly little college station) 5 (count 'em! 5!!!) times  
tonight.  every half hour, starting at 7:00.  some songs i announced,  
some i just slipped in, subversively.  but i did mention on air that  
they had won and all.  and some lovely girl called in begging to know  
what i had played (get me away from here...) and to ask if it was the  
station's.  i had to tell her no, that it was my cd, but if she  
called the station enough pleading for b&s, maybe the DJ's-in-charge  
would put it on rotation.

anyway, this was my act of celebration!  


xoxo,
good night all...
marie
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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Thu Feb 18 03:57:21 1999
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:57:21 EST
Subject: Sinister: Fwd: Brit Awards on TV
Message-ID: <1958ecdf.36cb8fa1@aol.com>

Hey kids --  

A friend just sent me the following... so mark your calendars.  


> ike the subject line says...
>  
>  << The 1999 Brit Awards, presented at the London Arena in the Docklands, 
> will be shown in Canada on MuchMusic on February 24. >>
>  
>  and:
>  
>  << The awards were held last night at the London Arena. The show will be 
> broadcast tonight on U.K. national commercial TV network ITV and March 6 on 
> ABC in the U.S. >>
>  
>  Enjoy!

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From twinkle at xxx.net  Thu Feb 18 04:26:02 1999
From: twinkle at xxx.net (petula)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:26:02 GMT
Subject: Sinister: for Toronto listees: northern soul night (Friday)
Message-ID: <199902180426.EAA04645@trapdoor.aracnet.net>


Hello,

This is an open announcement to anyone who'd like to go to a lovely northern
soul night this Friday. It's put on by the Soul Clan (silly name, but
they're the nicest people in the world so it seems just right) and it's at
the Rancho Relaxo on College St., just west of Spadina. 

Why not make it a Sinister night? I confess that I'd rather be sitting with
people as I've been deserted by the person who usually joins me, but I do
think there must be some people out there in T.O. who would love it.
(jessicaxo?) Be prepared for photographs, cos I'm doing a feature on the
DJ's for my magazine class, so dress up in your nicest outfits. Oh, and they
put talcum powder on the floor too, so you can pretend you're really a soulie. 

Anyone interested can e-mail me, and we can try to do a meet there @ 10-ish
sort of thing. It got packed really early last time, so I'd suggest not
showing up too late. 

love,
elisabeth 

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From Mark at xxx.com  Thu Feb 18 10:26:14 1999
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:26:14 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Bowlie Jobby details
Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22486306@server1.HITEntertainment.com>


....Chalets *do* have to be paid for on one single credit card, according to
Ticketweb. Tickets go on sale via the net at Midnight Friday (GMT) or Midday
Saturday by phone. Hope this hasn't already been said, but then I am only a
digestive.

So - got our chalet sorted out - all I need to do now is be on a PC all
Friday night (and, to be honest, I am usually that sad) so's I can be sure
to make it all happen. I reckon it'll be quite good, then.

Is it true Chris Leonard'll be having a turn at the Poetry Caff, then? I
hope the paramedics are on standby - though I'm sure there are medications
he can take for the spasms ( though he may not want to :) ).

Having forgotten to set the video for the Brits shenanigans, it occurred to
me that there are quite a lot of video-related goodies out there now, so if
anyone fancies a trade for something (like I'd have anything they want, but
here's hoping), please mail me privately.

Susannah's back, then. To any new people who feel they should know what
she's about, Susannah is the inspiration for the line "with your lewd and
lascivious posts" (I'm sorry, I know I'm quoting someone from the list a few
months ago, but I can't access the archive to check who it was) from
ACRONYMSAREFUN. She's also having "it" off with someone considerably more
famous now than he was 3 days ago, though that looks to be on its way out
what with the estate agent coming on the scene...anyway, welcome back
Susannah, nice to know you're there to make the smut content skyrocket once
more, and I hope New York was a blast...

We're not on our way to Wenbley (sob),
Mark xxx
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From swanarama at xxx.com  Thu Feb 18 10:43:55 1999
From: swanarama at xxx.com (Amanda Bergman)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 02:43:55 PST
Subject: Sinister: Looper to play Borders
Message-ID: <19990218104356.22135.qmail@hotmail.com>



Yes, you heard correctly.

Looper will do be doing an in-store performance at the Borders Books and 
Music here in Brighton on Sunday March 7 at 2pm. 

50 or so free tickets will be available starting next Monday, February 
22. Ticketholders will be the only people guaranteed seating/standing 
with a view. For more information, or to reserve a ticket, call the shop 
on (01273) 731122.

I hope to see some of you there.

take care,
Amanda x x

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From Mark at xxx.com  Thu Feb 18 11:18:02 1999
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:18:02 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Status Quo (tbc)
Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22486308@server1.HITEntertainment.com>


I do know how to spell Wemblee, honest - must be that cuppa I spilt on the
keyboard, it's been playing up lately...

Lesley Jo, look on the bright side, at least now you get to worship a
genuinely famous person...wonder if she'll get together with David Beckham,
then - I've heard Posh's ankles are swelling up a treat, and she's bound not
to be in the mood for much charlestoning in her condition...

London is 5 hours ahead of New York, Kristin, so you only have to be online
at 7pm, you lucky thing!

Can we do wot Tag suggested and bombard the Steps list? Oh go, on, pleeease,
let us...Sarah, do your duty and give us the address...and Keith, could you
add a list of B&S' famous fans to the FAQ, in chronological order so we can
see who jumped the bandwagon first. 

fluttering eyelids,
Markx

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From l.r.beattie at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 18 13:25:05 1999
From: l.r.beattie at xxx.uk (Lennox Beattie)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:25:05 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Fame at last
Message-ID: <198C47259A4@dundee-as.dundee.ac.uk>


Just a quick wee note to say check out the Daily Record today for a 
very surreal article on" limelight shunning Scots Brits winners Belle 
and Sebsatian its in the middle pages a two page spread cool huh. It 
is also mocking or the bands that Belle beat and has a really shite 
alleged publicity photie of the band.
Cheers to all who vote
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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Thu Feb 18 14:22:36 1999
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:22:36 EST
Subject: Sinister: Mike [Cooke, trumpet]
Message-ID: <656ce4a9.36cc222c@aol.com>

Gosh, my clipping service is busy these days....  
Do you think there's a worldwide journalistic plot against poor Mick, err,
Nick... whoever that boy with the horn is?  

> This is from "Rolling Stone" on line:
>  
>  << However, if some of the nominees were a little on the conservative side,
> it was nice to witness one genuinely surprising award to a decidedly un-
slick 
> outfit. The Best Newcomer title went to spotlight-shy Scottish octet Belle &
> Sebastian. "Our table went mad and Mike [Cooke, trumpet] and I just sat
there 
> going, 'Oh no,'" said weary drummer Richard Colburn this morning. "About 
> three tables cheered and everyone else went 'Eh?' Then, as we wandered up to
> the stage, Boy George grabbed me and said, 'Well done!' It was strange."
>  
>  Colburn says that even a heavy tip-off the night before didn't diminish his
> surprise and he attributes the win partly to the band's vast underground 
> following which voted in the poll conducted by BBC Radio 1. "We've got a 
> really good fanbase on the Internet," he said. "Word went round the chat 
> rooms when we were nominated and people must have put in a concerted
effort."
>  
>  Colburn and Cooke received their award (a statuette of Britannia fashioned 
> from some space-age alloy) from Huey of Fun Lovin' Criminals. They hadn't 
> prepared a speech. Colburn simply pointed at Cooke and mumbled "I'm Belle,
he'
> s Sebastian." Meanwhile, the bands' linchpin and singer Stuart Murdoch was 
> with the others in a Glasgow studio working on their fourth album (due on 
> Matador in the U.S. in August). "We rang them afterwards," said Colburn. "
> They were delighted."  >>
>  
>  L.
>  

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 18 14:24:50 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:24:50 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Who has been collecting the books for schools tokens?
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Ahhhhh....what a Belle-ter!!!

Woooahahahahahahahhahahahah ANYWAY. I am in awe of the Daily Record for
that caption, I really am.....

Anne Ward! I just got your tape the other day! WHat can I say! The
delicious cover and of course the "throw your hands in the air" song,
which I refuse to call "No Way", or whatever silly name Freakpower
originally thought of for it. Chiz. I'm listening to it now, albiet not
as loud as I think a big-beatery tape should be listened to, cos I have
a bad dose of illness and am delicate. I'm as soft as lace.

Steps list? Oi vey I hear you! http://www.pop-music.com/steps will have
it somewhere.... you'll be pleased to hear that Mad4Steps at aol.com has
ALREADY put up Steps Brits performance on the internet site - so why
hasn't Honey??? Oh yeah, "our" band are lazy slack...hem hem Belle and
Sebastian don't need to do ABBA medleys to prove themselves in front of
a bunch of shallow commercial foools. yeah.

I'm in the process of making another tape twee. Does anyone know how the
hell to record vinyl to tape on a Sony 370X stupid little mini hifi
lark????? Its my parents and I can't work it and IT WAS DUSTY! My
portable record player which is thirty years old is in better condition!
I'm having to do my tape tree on an UNFAMILAIR stereo, due to nmy
battered old tape to tape is...buggered. It'll tape, but the condition
is a lil manky to say the least :)

CHIZ nothing else to say. Except that my friend Nat has invited me
round, not so much for a B&S Brit party - but an Ann Summers party! But
in my own head it will be Warranders B&S party, which will get quite
difficult. Please don't let thought of tag in basques intrude.... and I
don't know what Warrander looks like so I can't imagine him in
crotchless tights. Thats probably good isn't it.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Fluffy Candarel

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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 18 13:19:08 1999
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:19:08 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Sweet dreams are made of this
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hi list,

i am speechless about the whole brits stuff, so, well, umm ... there ...
 
tag the wumpkinny wonder wrote:

> PS Does anyone else think that the new Levi's advert is the greatest thing
> ever?

oh yes ... i think i've got a sore neck from pretending to be the puppet
dancing along ... how i wish david would buy some of those clothes ...
*sigh*

cheers,
Katrina.

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From WeeChrisBS at xxx.com  Thu Feb 18 15:50:08 1999
From: WeeChrisBS at xxx.com (WeeChrisBS at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:50:08 EST
Subject: Sinister: True Love Waits
Message-ID: <b8e797e5.36cc36b0@aol.com>


Hello List!

I havent messaged the list in a long time. I think I even forgot I was on the
list since Im such an airhead basketcase Yesterday I relized I hadn't gone to
Work after school since January 24th oh god You must think my IQ is 3.

	On to more better things... For Valentines Day I went to see Rushmore BY
MYSELF...Yes I didn't have a valentines :( anyways The movie was awsome! I've
seen it twice already.....I hope to see 8MM next love thoese Dark thrillers

Another thing...Anys EELS or E fans out there? I just started an Eels mailing
list called Guestlist and I need more people to join so if your interstead e-
mail me and I'll join you.

Ok My B&S content is I CAN'T WAIT TILL I GET MY STUDY AT THE STOW WITH B&S
SHIRT IN THE MAIL!!!!!!!!!! and limited edtion Looper and Gentle Waves
Vinyl's(Even though I dont have a record player :(  )

Ta ta
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From M223CMellan at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 18 16:16:21 1999
From: M223CMellan at xxx.uk (M223CMellan)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:16:21 -0000
Subject: Sinister: A sprinkling of b&s content - get a gig in glasgow!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <16180290602416@holyrood.gla.sch.uk>


I've been on the list for many months now, but this is the 1st time that
I've actually been plucky enough to put out a mail (I took the 'sit back
and watch the list for a few weeks before mailing' rule to extremes). But
hey, I'm just a shy guy.

I'm really irritated about the camber sands bowlie weekender. You see, I'm
just 16, and I've got my highers in may, so my parents told me that I
cannot go, under any circumstances (although my dad does like b&s). This
has really buggered me , as it's a once in a lifetime chance, and I've got
to stay home and study. It sucks. Besides, I live in the southside of
glasgow, which, in case anyone is wondering, is hundreds of miles away from
hastings, and I don't think that I could finance a trip there, due to my
meagre pocket money.

So, I was just wondering - ANYONE WANT TO CAMPAIGN FOR A SIMILAR EVENT
LATER IN THE YEAR?????.
I was thinking about a camping gig (camping, not camp, as we don't wan't
hundreds of drag artists running around), with tents and campfires in
bellahouston park, just like the longest day festival of yesteryear.


this e-mail was produced and sent by

CRYSTALBALLS

(a.k.a. Chris Mellan - but hey, you, just like my friends, (yes, both of
them) can call me Mellonman)

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From M223CMellan at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 18 17:19:26 1999
From: M223CMellan at xxx.uk (M223CMellan)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:19:26 -0000
Subject: Sinister: love ya
Message-ID: <17205964002426@holyrood.gla.sch.uk>


This is dumb, but I forgot to say......

.....I love you all, especialy those in glasgow

from 
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From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 18 18:07:08 1999
From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:07:08 GMT0BST
Subject: Sinister: ooh! you cheeky monkey!
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The drummer from the Corrs has big arms which leads me to believe 
that drumming is the musical equivalent of swimming, just like piano 
playing is the musical equivalent of rollerskating.

Well done Belle and Sebastian for winning a Brit. I wonder how 
they're going to share it? Maybe they could have a rota, so that Mick 
has it one week, Nick has it the next, he passes it on to Dick, and 
so on.

Is anyone going to make a web page of press cuttings? I'd like to see 
some of those Daily Record reports.

After seeing Stuart in the NME with his ginger beard, I can't 
understand why he wasn't part of the ABBA tribute. Stu M singing 
"Does your mother know" with Stu D giving it some banjo accompaniment 
sounds ace to me.

"Take it nice and slow. Does your mother know?" bing-a-bing-a bing 
bing bing bing.

Banjo playing is the musical equivalent of trampolining.

Bye
        Robin
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From A.Ward at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 18 18:32:45 1999
From: A.Ward at xxx.uk (Anne Ward)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:32:45 +0000
Subject: Sinister: He had to catch a bus
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Hello Peeps

It's been said many times before, but HOORAY! Top marks all round. It's
dead weird seeing everything covered in pictures of the Belles. As Ailsa
has already pointed out, there was no sign of any work being done in that
studio on the news last night. £700 a day to drink tea and read the Daily
Record - what a scam! And where were Belle and Stewpot? Obviously off
minding the baby. Has anyone found out who's going to keep the statue?
Maybe they could keep it in the tabernacle in Stuart's church so everyone
can go and worship once a week. 

Mr Crystal Balls - that was a sad story about not going to Camber Sands. If
it's any consolation, it's probably going to be full of indie-pubes getting
rat-arsed and not watching the bands at all, so you're better off thinking
of your education. I've heard that Peter Miller is going to be there
though. He's got lots of curly hair and will be wearing a Celtic scarf and
a big Parka over his PJs, which he wears at all times. 

Anyway, there was a point to this. This is the story from the Glasgow
Herald as mentioned by Chris  "Birthday Boy" Leonard. I thought he was
making things up, as usual, but it's really there, and seems to actually
get some stuff right for a change.

Enjoy!

Anne
xxx

A best newcomer catches the bus for a celebratory cuppa

  DAVID BELCHER 

  WITHIN unhallowed rock'n'roll circles, the morning after the  night
before constitutes a period of recovery from sundry  forms of mindless
over-indulgence - especially so should the  highlight of the night before
have included the winning of a Brit  Award.

  Thankfully, however, there's nothing dim-witted or  oblivion-seeking
about Scotland's surprise Brits victors Belle  and Sebastian. Because it
was in typically level-headed  fashion that yesterday's dawn was greeted in
Glasgow by the  six members of the octet who hadn't travelled south for the
big  event (only two went because they didn't want money wasted  on tickets
and flights "for a band who had no chance of  winning").

  Less than 12 hours after Radio 1's listenership had voted  Belle and
Sebastian 1999's best British newcomers,  three-quarters of the band
congregated bright and early round  the telly in their manager's house in
their shared habitat -  Glasgow's West End - to watch Channel 4's The Big
Breakfast.

  This featured an interview with Richard Colburn and Mick  Cooke, the two
group members who had been on hand on  Tuesday evening to collect the
silver statuette from Radio 1's  Zoe Ball.

  Immediately after the TV show's end, things took another
characteristically B&S turn by becoming mildly comic, slightly  shambolic
and resolutely down-to-earth. Opting to visit their  favourite Byres Road
tea shop for a celebratory breakfast, the  assembly realised they were too
numerous to pile into their  usual transport, the drummer's elderly Citroen
BX hatchback.

  Summons a superstar stretch limo? Not the B&S way. Instead,  keyboards
player Chris Geddes drew the short straw, thus  almost certainly becoming
the only 1999 Brits winner to start  his triumphant reign queuing for a bus.

  In the same way, much of the band's appeal derives from their  rootedness
in local everyday experience - albeit the thoughtful  everyday experiences
of a bunch of literate graduates of  tertiary education whose dreaming
locale is Glasgow's leafy  and bohemian Kelvinside. What else explains the
singular  nature of B&S songs, which are capable of expressing a wide
variety of moods and sentiments: adult, analytical, caustic,  playful,
child-like, fey, frank, raucous.

  Musically, Belle and Sebastian draw upon similarly disparate  sources,
everything from the uptempo melodrama of northern  soul to the winsome
reflections of your archetypal wispy  folk-rock singer-songwriter; from the
blank urban alienation of  the Velvet Underground to the wry optimism of
R.E.M.

  This creative depth is additionally mirrored in Belle and  Sebastian's
span of age-ranges and home-towns, as well as  the band's gender-balance.
The two women and six men of  B&S are variously aged from 22 to 32, hailing
from Ayr,  Glasgow, Dundee, Balloch, Perth, and Blackburn, Lancashire.

  Likewise, the band's reasoned avoidance of the more  stultifying aspects
of rockbiz routine has led miffed sections of  the media to portray them as
bloodless and reclusive elitists.  In fact, their decision to spurn the
tour-record-tour treadmill,  along with group press interviews and cliche'd
hand-out  photographs, is based on a desire to keep their music fresh  and
to the forefront of peoples' minds, not their image.

  This approach has certainly encouraged them to be prolific  musical
creators. They are currently in the midst of recording  their fourth album,
scheduled to appear in early summer, just  before the band's third
birthday. In addition, two band  members will soon release solo albums,
while each band  member is actively engaged in playing and recording with a
 large diversity of Scottish performers.

  Handy facts about Belle and Sebastian? Their name comes  from the
seventies children's TV series based on the writings  of French author
Cecile Aubry. 

  Their early promise prompted transatlantic visits by two  legendary
American talent spotters, Seymour Stein and Tom  Zutaut, whose joint track
record of signings includes Talking  Heads, Beck, Madonna, and
Guns'n'Roses. The band  resisted the duo's high-powered overtures to sign
to the small  London-based independent label Jeepster.

  Their limited-edition, vinyl-only debut album, Tigermilk, was  released
by students on Stow College's music business  course, and financed by
principal songwriter Stuart Murdoch's  dad. Original copies sell for £400.

  But what's the most useful fact about Belle And Sebastian? 
  That their music is truly, truly, truly great. - Feb 17.





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From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 18 18:38:27 1999
From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:38:27 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Under the spreading atrophy
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Ahoy there, shipmates

ONE NIGHT IN BANGKOK
Hold on to your hats, because I have some disturbing news. While it is
delightful to bask in the rosy glow of victory, I fear there is something
rotten in the State of POP.  Our triumph may be forever tarnished. Pull up a
chair and let me tell you the sorry details...

Dedicated followers of football will have been shaken to the very core by
the recent news that our national game is actually controlled  by a shadowy
far-eastern gambling cartel. For these inscrutable chancers, the premiership
is a mere ball-bearing in a global roulette wheel of fortune, a trinket for
their  idle amusement. And now that they have been rumbled in their infernal
match-fixing, they have turned their attention farther afield, and their
cancer has spread deep into the heart of our culture.

Belle and SebastianÂ’s odds of winning the best newcomer awards at the Brits
this week were so great that as soon as the shortlist was announced,
phonelines around the Pacific Rim went  into meltdown. The entire Hong Kong
stockmarket was wagered on the screwball chamber-indie octet coming up
trumps. Brokers in Bagkok hoped to resurrect the Thai baht by banking on the
winsome troubadors victory. They could not be allowed to fail. And so the
BPI directors were treated to a slap-up meal at Wagamama, Steps were fobbed
off with a year's free shopping at Muji, and 5ive were given their weight in
Hello Kitty merchandise. The path had been cleared....

....And who is the shadowy mastermind behind the greatest gambling coup of
the twentieth century? Well, who do we know in the far east, who is au-fait
with the latest happenings in indie-pop, and is feared throughout both
hemispheres for her legendary poker skills? Yes, reliable sources inform me
that it is none other than our old friend “Lucky” Yingluck...OOOOOOooooon
herself! Rumour has it that she devised the entire scheme to pay for a
luxury private jet, painted with Badtz Maru characters, to ferry her to the
Camber Sands Bowliestock weekend. Who will end her malign reign???

LEONARD-SKEONARD
Meanwhile, in domestic news, I am pleased to announce that Mr Christopher
Leonard will be bringing the Sleekasounds roadshow to The Poetry Cafe Social
in Covent Garden next Friday, 26 January, from 7.30pm. Rumour has it that he
will be joined in his encore by none other than Mrs Murdoch herself, so make
a note in your diaries.  Fun and games and indie-schmindie hi-jinks for all
the family. For more details, directions etc, email me
(poetryplace2 at easynet.co.uk). Still only £3!

HE IS A ROCK HE IS AN ISLAND
I was reading a book last night (it was The Dalkey Archive by Flann OÂ’
rien – highly recommended) and I came across the following nugget: that the
name “Peter” is derived from the Greek word “petros”, which actually means
R!O!C!K!. Well I never. Rock Miller, I salute you.

Stay pressed

Stevie Trousers

PS: To all the people I owe copies of Papercuts, IÂ’ve just got a new batch
printed, and I will despatch them forthwith. Sorry about the delay!



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From chris.jones at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 18 16:54:02 1999
From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1999 16:54:02 -0000
Subject: Sinister: B&S Video
Message-ID: <199902181846.SAA13289@smtp.saqnet.co.uk>


chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk
http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm

Can I buy a copy of the video for 'Is It Wicked Not To Care?' ? Maybe David
or Katrina can help me out on this one.

Chris Jones.
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From carllafong at xxx.net  Thu Feb 18 20:39:16 1999
From: carllafong at xxx.net (John Mahoney)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:39:16 -0500
Subject: Sinister: take good care of it
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>What has happened to the Black Session tape tree?  Oh where has it gone?
    I second that! It'd be a good thing, especially for us AMericans who's
hope of hearing B&S on the radio, yet alone live!, are nil.  Let me know of
the details, anonymous tape tree organizer!

>Does anyone care that Pete Townshend is finally going to perform Lifehouse?
>Who fans unite, we have a reason to still care....

 Is he really? That would be the best. I saw their Quadrophenia tour, and it
was pretty spectacular. Is he taking it on the road, or doing an album? I
heard the idea of the whole TED thing with new music, and that sounded like
a dissapointing idea. But this will be terrific!

Holy crap!
JM

"You were under the impression that when you were walking forwards, you'd
end up further onward, but things ain't quite that simple."

PT




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From hamibe02 at xxx.edu  Thu Feb 18 21:26:43 1999
From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E. Hamilton)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:26:43 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Lifehouse
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All my teacups--

To address the subject of The Who's sudden newly found motivation--

Pete Townshend has been commissioned by the BBC (the first article appeared
two sundays ago, in the London Times, I'm sure you can find it through the
online archives) to complete his Lifehouse project and recreate it on the
BBC in December.  This week Pete and BBC officials met to discuss Pete's
overall vision (and he is the only one who truly knows) of Lifehouse.  It
also appears that Pete is preparing to talk to Roger Daltrey and John
Entwistle to discuss making this a Who affair.

For those of you who might not be aware, Lifehouse is the second of
Townshend's 'rock operas' that he wrote, following Tommy.  The scope of the
project was too big--the story took place in a somewhat post apocalyptic
gloomy fictional country, where all forms of human expression are banned,
and somehow Bobby (the protagonist) and his buds find a rock and roll band
whose music is a religious and spiritual revelation.  Thusly, at the
Lifehouse, the walls are torn down.  Another facet of the project is that
everyone in the world would be able to hear the music emitting from the
Lifehouse via a virtual reality system of somekind.  (very ambitious for
1971)  Of course at the time, everyone in the world could not view the
concert at the same time, according to Pete's vision.  What medium would he
have used?  Well, the dream has come true, and the Internet is that medium.

That's a very loose description, but it should be known that PT wanted the
project to include an album, movie, and a series of concerts.  (one aspect
of the project had people being numerically entered into a computer, thus
translating into notes, making the  barrier between audience band fall,
hence the 'Join Together' motif)  The concerts were held, at the Young Vic
in Waterloo, but those concerts didn't really fit Pete's true vision.  (if
you can get your hands on a boot of one of these shows, do.  It's
incredible, vintage Who)

Lifehouse turned into the Who studio album "Who's Next", released in 1971,
which reached #1 in the UK, though the songs didn't have any apparent
connection.  (however at the end of "The Song is Over", Daltrey sings a line
from "Pure and Easy", a track that was never released on a standard Who
album, though was THE pivot point of Lifehouse)

If you happened to pick up Pete's 1993 album "Psychoderelict" the Lifehouse
story may seem familiar to you.  Incoporated into that album were some
aspects from Lifehouse.  It seems that Lifehouse continues to motivate, and
yet haunt Pete in everything he does.

Now the questions are many, while the answers are not...
-Will this be a concert as well as a BBC production, which will inevitably
include voice overs, and actors?
-Will Pete write any new music for the event?
-Will it become a Who or TED event, or just Pete and his band?
-Will this finally spark that Lifehouse Who album that we've always dreamed
of?

Sorry to ramble.  Hopefully there are some Who fans out there whom are just
as excited as I am.

-blake
~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
I'm sorry like atari...

"We try harder and harder, tryin' to get our way,  but it's a long, long
wait until Judgement Day.  So settle your affairs and take your time,
for everything in the world is yours and mine.  Yours and mine."
--Pete Townshend, '68

"I'm looking back and I can't see the past anymore, so hazy.
I'm on a track and I'm travelling so fast, oh for sure I'm crazy.
I will be immersed, queen of the fucking universe, and i don't
know what i have anymore, anymore than you do."
--Pete Townshend, '80

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From mireiamenchon at xxx.com  Thu Feb 18 21:23:35 1999
From: mireiamenchon at xxx.com (Mireia Menchon)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:23:35 PST
Subject: Sinister: Happy BRITday!!!!!
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Hello puppies!!!

Say yeah!
Sing yeah!
Shout yeah!
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!

Lucky ones who can go to the festival: I'm really jealous!!!!!!!!! I 
want to go, too!!!!  Sniff, sniff... but I can't...

Bye my dear just-awarded-band fans!!!!!

Mireia

"...you call me on the phone and tell me everything that's happened in 
England..." 

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From mart at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 18 21:42:27 1999
From: mart at xxx.uk (Martin Horsfield)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:42:27 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Brits, Shit, uh Maybe
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Hiya Listers

Well, it seems like my last post never got to you (damn you Mr Gates and
your 'hot'mail) so after the Brits euphoria, a quick reality check.
Like, how are the kids from Matinee (London's most sensitive Man From
Delmonte soundalikes, apparently) gonna get to this Camber Sands gaff? 

Myself and Michael (the well cut fringe of the band, we like to think)
are gonna buy tickets and we reckon we can convince a couple of loony
girl friends to come along for the ride (or hopefully do the driving
while we talk about pop music and eat Ginsters pasties, arf!). Thing is
we'd like some randomness. Like where are the kids from Slampiece when
you really need them? Toronto, probably. Go on, leave some saucy
messages on our guestbook and boost our ever-flagging self-esteem in the
run up to my birthday and our first ever Saturday night outing, Upstairs
at the Garage, London on 6th March.

We live at
www.members.tripod.com/~the_embankment

but you may also like to contribute to

www.subcult.demon.co.uk

and if you're really nice, I'll give you the URL for the Peel Bell, the
funniest thing on the Internet since that picture of Carol Vorderman
with (sniiip). 

Actually I really must stop all this whoring around on behalf of our
little band. It's like getting your mum to send you a Velentines Card
(and even she forgot this year, too busy necking on with that Wigan
Rugby fan from the over-60s, I shouldn't wonder). 

Anyway, ta for the positive ID on Richard Colburn this afternoon,
Katrina. That had the top brass at 'heat' magazine well stumped,
unsurprisingly enough. And congratulations on the Brit. I hope Monica
Queen's smiling to herself and drinking a red wine or two somewhere in
the West End. We miss her and Johnny in these parts, especially at this
time of year.

In my CD player all day today: Big Calm by Morcheeba, the Wattstax live
LP, Tales From The Mouse House by Coco & The Bean, Bring 'Em All In by
Mike Scott and My Mouse Baby (5 track CD single) by leonard. Tomorrow?
Could be more Northern Soul, The Lanterns, the Tom Jones box set,
Kaleida and New Order. Got to raise more than a smile on my birthday
weekend, after all... Anyone fancy karaoke down the Aquarium in Old
Street with the City wankers? It's just a thought.

see ya then, Martin, 27
cack-handed bassist, Matinee
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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Thu Feb 18 22:22:21 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:22:21 EST
Subject: Sinister: ooh! you cheeky monkey!
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In a message dated 2/18/99 1:20:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Ppyrrjs at nottingham.ac.uk writes:

<< Is anyone going to make a web page of press cuttings? I'd like to see 
 some of those Daily Record reports. >>

I agree with this wholeheartedly. and I would volunteer, but
1: I have no clippings
2: Nor do I have the knowledge to set up a website

But I certainly think that someone else should.

                          lots of love
and hoorah about the brits!
                              dave
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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Fri Feb 19 04:58:29 1999
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:58:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: isn't it impressive
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belle and sebastian aren't the only ones having a busy week.  between
adopting a furby and catching up on classes and getting over an illness
i've had nary a moment to make my own little comment on belle and
sebastian's winning the brit award.  first off, i just think it's fucking
impressive that within three years a band can go from relative obscurity to
national celebrity almost entirely based on the quality of their output.  i
mean, no offense to jeepster, but as an indie they lack the money and
marketing clout of a major label, and the band have done little with the
press to make themselves known, so their acclaim comes entirely from the
quality of their music.  to reach this point within three years is a minor
miracle, to do so and remain true to what they've said they wanted to be is
amazing.  i'm sure it sounds silly, but wow.  congratulations.

xox
megan
who's so excited about seeing them on abc in two weeks that she's going to
mark her calender *now*.

mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu

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From jossm at xxx.ie  Fri Feb 19 07:52:37 1999
From: jossm at xxx.ie (The Brown Star)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:52:37 +0000
Subject: Sinister: SPOTTED! The column that keeps you in touch with the stars!
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SPOTTED out on the town last night was THE VERVE singer Richard Ashcroft
with RICK COOKE of press darlings BELL AND SEBASTIAN. This reporter can
exclusively reveal that 'Cookie' will be laying down some tracks on the new
THE VERVE album, due in your shops in Autumn. RICK (pictured above with
DAVID BOWIE and SIR ALASTAIR BURNETT) also told me that his band are
donning the make up sticks for their new glam rock direction. "We're
planning on each releasing a solo LP this year with our new images on the
cover. We feel we can succeed where FREHLEY, CRISS, SIMMONS and STANLEY
failed." The night ended with a bang when LIAM GALLAGHER of OASIS and his
new loudmouth sidekick CHRIS GEDDES of BELL AND SEBASTIAN gave their
trademark two fingered salute, which brought the house down. Rumours of a
spat with a photographer as they left are unconfirmed as we went to press.


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From koogydelbbog at xxx.com  Fri Feb 19 09:36:05 1999
From: koogydelbbog at xxx.com (andrew dean)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:36:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: brits fallout
Message-ID: <19990219093605.12468.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>


um, sat here listening to last night's peel show and there was an item
on the news saying that sales of belle and sebastian's lps have gone
up fivefold since monday night...

i'll leave you all to decide whether this is a good thing or a bad
thing.

andy




==
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From L.Kerr at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 19 10:40:26 1999
From: L.Kerr at xxx.uk (L. Kerr)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:40:26 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Gambling
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.990219103117.15527E-100000@torduff.hw.ac.uk>



I must say, I didn't see any evidence of gambling when I visited Oooon,
but I am now kicking myself that I did not put a nice fat lump sum on the
lads and lasses.   Does anyone know what the odds were?  Of course. I
would have given the money to a suitable cause...

btw, has Honeee changed the footer to "tech-heads and students" yet?

Linda
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From lee at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 19 11:22:19 1999
From: lee at xxx.uk (Lee)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:22:19 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Festival chat
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Due to the amount of festival confusion i've experianced so far this morning
i have made the bold move of suggesting that anyone still trying to sort
things out use the IRC chat (details at the Honey's sinister site).

What i thought was that every hour on the hour everyone needing assistance
visits the chat site starting from now, so (GMT) 12.00, 13.00...you get the
general idea. I dont think the site will become too busy, so it wont need to
be moderated, but people must restrain themselves from talking to just a
specific person else things will get even more confusing.

To help fill out the detail before you sign in, something like, location,
sex, favourite beer.etc. Then all you have to do is select ABOUT, and pick
whos ever closest or whatever. I have a feeling it will still be confusing
but it's worth a go.

lee

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From tourajsig2 at xxx.com  Fri Feb 19 12:09:54 1999
From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:09:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: If you thought £85 was expensive...
Message-ID: <19990219120954.10661.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com>


... then you obviously haven't checked out Ticketweb.

Just had a dry run through the ordering procedure on their web-site,
and it would appear that the buggers add no less than a 10% service
charge on each ticket purchased - I assume this applies to Camber
Sands, so we're talking $93.50 a go.  I gave them a quick ring to
confirm this and it turns out that, over the phone, it's *16%*. 
Fucking outrageous by any standard; that's an extra hundred quid on a
7-berth chalet if you call them at noon on Saturday.

The woman fielding the calls didn't attempt to defend this practise
('well, they pay me �500 an hour to answer the phone, so the money's
got to come from somewhere...'), but seemed pretty surprised at both
the relatively small number of tickets on sale (I guess she hasn't
quite grasped the fact that it's a Pontins camp we're talking about
here, not Woodstock) and the fact that no other agencies seemed to be
involved in selling the tickets.

So - be warned, tonight and tomorrow's ticket frenzy is going to cost
us all a little more than we expected...

Mike.
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From C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 19 13:50:53 1999
From: C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk (CMD LOO)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:50:53 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Cambers Sand Festival
In-Reply-To: <v01530500630b62d88e23@[159.134.227.189]>
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HIya

Any Singaporean in UK going to this Festival?

Cheers

D    A    N    I    E    L    O    O


                  "It takes Strength to be GENTLE and KIND"
                  M    O    R    R    I    S    S    E    Y
        

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From lilac_wine93 at xxx.com  Fri Feb 19 13:44:44 1999
From: lilac_wine93 at xxx.com (simon barr)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 05:44:44 PST
Subject: Sinister: B&S new album and E.P.
Message-ID: <19990219134445.8577.qmail@hotmail.com>






>Richard Connell wrote:
>> 
>> Robin Stout wrote:

>> Yeah, the bloke who does the music page is a a big b&s fan.


david wrote:

>ah, but he's also a bit of a prick, since he was the only person we 
gave a press
>pass to way back when B&S played colchester. and he proceeded to chat 
to, and
>grope his girlfriend throughout from the back of the hall.

etc etc

where would he be without nme news? Have you ever noticed every 
Wednesday he's updated his page identical to Jody Thompsons??

What an easy job.

Sy

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From bfundak at xxx.edu  Fri Feb 19 14:29:31 1999
From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:29:31 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Thoughts on a sinister-digest V3 #60
In-Reply-To: <199902191353.NAA23150@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990219092931.00861e70@mail.bgsu.edu>



Hey all, how did Belle and Sebastian do at the Brits?

At 01:53 PM 2/19/99 GMT, you wrote:
>
>sinister-digest       Friday, February 19 1999       Volume 03 : Number 060
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:36:05 -0800 (PST)
>From: andrew dean <koogydelbbog at xxx.com>
>Subject: Sinister: brits fallout
>
>um, sat here listening to last night's peel show and there was an item
>on the news saying that sales of belle and sebastian's lps have gone
>up fivefold since monday night...
>
>i'll leave you all to decide whether this is a good thing or a bad
>thing.
>
>andy

This is a fantastic thing for the band, but a horrible thing for fans.  I
am glad that the band is getting rewarded for their brilliance, but I would
shudder to think what would happen if Belle and Sebastian were all of a
sudden "hip" in the US.  I've been to a number of bad shows in my time
where the bands were brilliant and the crowd just ruined it for me.

Brandt

Looking for a new sig.  Not clever enough to think of or remember a good
one. Sorry.
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From A.Ward at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 19 14:46:38 1999
From: A.Ward at xxx.uk (Anne Ward)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:46:38 +0000
Subject: Sinister: No B&S, just Flat Eric
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990219144638.00a42c00@scooter.gcal.ac.uk>


Here's one for all the Flat Eric fans:

You can watch little tiny versions of the adverts on the Levi's site at
http://www.eu.levi.com/

Good news is there's another one to come with Angel (the lovely man with
the mangled nose) IN HIS VEST AND PANTS!

I'm staying in all weekend to try and catch him.

Also, if you look at the Dazed and Confused site
(http://www.confused.co.uk/) it has Flat Eric popping up all over the place. 

Enjoy!

Anne
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From akumulator at xxx.com  Fri Feb 19 15:24:29 1999
From: akumulator at xxx.com (paul dean)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:24:29 EST
Subject: Sinister: THE MEDIA WHORE SPEAKS
Message-ID: <19990219152430.20474.qmail@hotmail.com>


dear all

it has come to my attention that the antipodean minx has finally 
achieved the attention she has craved for since attaching herself 
limpet-like to the pop band belle & sebastian.

visit 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_282000/282496.stm

to see the whole shame faced spectacle

i thank you

faredywell

pd


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From M223CMellan at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 19 15:39:40 1999
From: M223CMellan at xxx.uk (M223CMellan)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:39:40 -0000
Subject: Sinister: things are looking up in general 
Message-ID: <15370951502750@holyrood.gla.sch.uk>


some points for you, pop pickers

1) siblings - due to the fact that prior to their brit nomination and win
b&s were a relitavely obscure band, my elder brother used to mock me,
telling me that b&s were "boring, rubbish, poofy crap". So, when they won,
we were watching the news (it was either scotland today or reporting
scotland - the bit with stevie throwing stuff at angus simpson on tv was
cool), and he saw a few of the members. He called good ol' sarah a "fat
girl", and called chris geddes "the most geeky man alive - supergeek". This
caused me to become angry, so I was forced to attack him. Ufortunately, he
punched me in the face, which was sore, so I retreated to my room to listen
to some soothing, calming music, by b&s, the delgados, and the pastels.

2) my school - I go to holyrood, in the southside of the city. Famous
people, such as simple minds, and that 'take the high road' starlet, joe
mcfadden, went to my school.
unfortunately, I live two miles away, in newlands, and to avoid having to
sit near neds on the train, I walk there in the moirning, and home at
night. Still, it is't too bad, as I can listen to jolly music on my stereo.

3) what tem do the b&s members like ?
im a celtic fan
#
LARSSON
LARSSON
LARSSON



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From ooon at xxx.th  Fri Feb 19 14:12:00 1999
From: ooon at xxx.th (oon)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:12:00 +0700
Subject: Sinister: ...and the world's your oyster
References: <01be5b6d$dfd82580$LocalHost@g5-200-3>
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well, my dear mother once ran an underground
lottery, i couldn't possibly let down my family
reputation, could i?
now that the aptly named Stay Pressed Trousers
has _bravely_ revealed my gloriously triumphant
plot, i no longer bother adopting that coy persona
bollock no more.  still, what he failed to dig up was
that all the lavish meals, gifts, etc. was just a
hushing pad in the back after i slapped their heads
by threating to stuff a handful of genuinely red hot
Thai chilli in their every orifice.  that went really
smootly i have to tell you, not a single hesitation.
don't borrow my method though.  when not carried
out in good hand it might get really ugly.

and here's an exclusive invitaton to you all happy
campers out there.  my cozy little 747 jet, nicknamed
"Casino Royale", will be requesting the pleasure of
your company and your pocket money right next
to Rock Miller's Rocking Chalet.  so come and have
a go if you think you're hard enough.

roll the dice,
mama oon

hey linda we didn't see your yesterday post, did we?  make
it up by double posts for the rest of the fortnight then!

poetryplace2 wrote:

> Ahoy there, shipmates
>
> ONE NIGHT IN BANGKOK

(snip snip)

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From eng98ajo at xxx.se  Fri Feb 19 17:30:59 1999
From: eng98ajo at xxx.se (Anna J)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:30:59 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Brit Awards on Danish TV
Message-ID: <l03130300b2f34d3c0370@[130.235.142.70]>


Just a quick word to let anyone with Danish TV (Denmark, southern Sweden
and maybe northern Germany (?)) know that there's a chance to watch our
heroes glorious moment on Dansk Tv2 tomorrow (Saturday night) 0:20 - 2
something, I can't remember (the night between Sat and Sunday that is), so
get the champagne out. I'm thinking about finally opening that bottle of
kiddies strawberry champagne that has been giving me evil eyes ever since
my brother gave it to me on my birthday last year and I placed it in the
far end of my flat (you would have to if you'd seen the colour!). Anyway,
I'll make sure not break it open before Richard and Nick have been up to
collect the award incase it really is poisonous.

Anna :)

P.S. Argh! I just realised I won't be home tomorrow night!! Just my luck.
This means the bottle will keep threatening me for even longer.


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From pookie59 at xxx.com  Fri Feb 19 20:57:03 1999
From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:57:03 PST
Subject: Sinister: crazy!
Message-ID: <19990219205703.21034.qmail@hotmail.com>


Wow! that's some crazy shit...

congratulations belle and sebastian! can't type all i'd like to say,i'm 
at school right now and the place is closing in like 5 minutes!

so what did he SAY! what did they say? i want to hear accepetance 
speeches? my friends and me usually notice strange things,like when kula 
shaker won, crispian mills didn't wear deodorant...and we notice ummm 
other things...oh oh oh,did stuart david get up on stage!?? was  he 
sexy!? was he wearing underwear?  did he say good things??? rrrrrow,i 
think i will faint when i watch on television!

oh my!

ok..more later,xoxoxo
lots of love! i miss the list!
genevieve

p.s
JW...YOU ROCK MY WORLD! thankyou thankyou for the lovely tapes,they're 
excellent! sorry i haven't thanked you sooner..some problems,but wow 
wow,yes thankyou,a million times! 















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From kenny at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 19 22:36:29 1999
From: kenny at xxx.uk (jake)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:36:29 -0000
Subject: Sinister: billie v steps v belle and sebastian......
Message-ID: <199902192235.WAA15364@mailhost.dircon.co.uk>



Well thanks to FluffySarah we know all the gossip about the animosity
between steps fans and Belle and Sebastian, but i have to report back from
the billie camp (i just got my e-newsletter from her you see) and she
doesn't even mention the brits.

What she does say though is she's doing a web chat so any questions about
what she'ld like to do to isobel can be raised then..............

and did you see her on bbc1? what a spoilt little brat, i'm gald she didn't
win, you'ld never catch chris geddes thowing a temper tantrum, even when he
has to catch the bus.
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From ChanA at xxx.com  Fri Feb 19 23:19:07 1999
From: ChanA at xxx.com (Arthur Chan)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:19:07 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Yet more edit on the Brits
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Manic Street Preachers, Robbie Williams Top Brit Awards 



02/17/99 06:32
Saw this and thought it was worth posting...if anyone is interested....the
pictures are missing but..oh well....
Photo: The Manic Street Preachers won for Best British Group and Best Album.


SonicNet Music News reports
<http://www.pointcast.com/cgi-bin/sonicnet.cgi?location=www.sonicnet.com/new
s>: LONDON -- There was no big controversy at this year's Brit Awards, just
some small curiosities.

A band that's been releasing albums for three years was named Best Newcomer.
Fans began leaving during a reunion performance by the Eurythmics, which was
supposed to be one of the night's highlights. And the night's biggest
ovation wasn't for a musician, but for a boxer.

There were three big winners at the U.K. equivalent of the Grammys, held
Tuesday night at the Docklands Arena: pop star Robbie Williams won three
awards, while Australian pop singer Natalie Imbruglia and Welsh rockers the
Manic Street Preachers, each won two.

There was no incident to match Chumbawamba member Danbert Nobacon's dousing
of Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott with a bucket of ice water at the
1998 ceremony, or Pulp frontman Jarvis Cocker's disruption of Michael
Jackson's performance in 1996 -- Cocker jumped onstage and mooned the
audience.

The Preachers were named Best British Group and also won the award for Best
Album, for This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours. The album, which includes the
single "If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next"
<http://media.addict.com/atn-bin/get-music/Manic_Street_Preachers/If_You_Tol
erate_This_Your_Children_Will_Be_Next.ram> (RealAudio excerpt), has yet to
be released in the U.S.

"We are the people's group," Preachers bassist Nicky Wire told an audience
that was part industry, part fans. "We believe if you've got something to
say, you should say it to as many people as possible."

The Preachers performed their forthcoming U.K. single, "You Stole the Sun
>From My Heart," during the ceremony.

The night's first award went to Scottish indie rockers Belle and Sebastian,
who beat out the boy band 5ive and pop group Steps to be named Best British
Newcomer -- despite having released three albums and several EPs over the
past three years. The most recent of those albums is The Boy With the Arab
Strap (1998), which includes "It Could Have Been a Brilliant Career"
<http://media.addict.com/atn-bin/get-music/Belle_And_Sebastian/It_Could_Have
_Been_A_Brilliant_Career.ram> (RealAudio excerpt).

Culture Club singer Boy George, who presented the Best Dance Act award to
big-beat DJ Fatboy Slim later in the night, said, "I'm very excited about
Belle and Sebastian!," when asked what his highlight of the evening was.

U2 singer Bono dissed the upcoming celebration of the new millennium while
speaking on behalf of Jubilee 2000, a lobbying effort aimed at asking the
world's richest countries to cancel the debts of poor countries.

"This whole concept of celebrating the millennium, the whole concept of
celebrating a moment in time, what is it -- it's bollocks [nonsense], isn't
it?" Bono said.

But he said the Jubilee 2000 plan, which supporters have compared to the
1985 charity concert Live Aid in terms of potential impact, is "the biggest
idea I have ever heard, an idea that might give the millennium some meaning.
We've just got to stop asking starving people to give back the money our
governments have loaned plus interest."

Bono then walked to a table where former heavyweight boxing champion
Muhammad Ali, another supporter of the movement, was sitting. He gave Ali an
award recognizing Jubilee 2000, and the boxer received a prolonged standing
ovation.

Another ovation might have been expected for Eurythmics Dave Stewart and
Annie Lennox, who accepted an award for Outstanding Contribution to British
Music -- Motown legend Stevie Wonder presented it to them -- and then ended
the show by performing together for the first time in seven years.

But the crowd starting leaving during the five-song set, during which they
played such '80s hits as "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)" and "Here Comes
the Rain Again," with Wonder joining in on harmonica and keyboards.

Lennox and Stewart, who are working on a Eurythmics reunion album wore
matching Union Jack outfits, and Lennox made a plea on behalf of two black
murder victims who are at the center of a controversy over police
investigations in the U.K.

Another performance highlight was the pairing of David Bowie and Placebo --
glam-rockers old and new -- for a version of '70s rockers T. Rex's "20th
Century Boy," a song Placebo performed in the movie "Velvet Goldmine." Bowie
wore a full-length leather coat and a hairdo that harked back to his
mid-'70s, Low image.

Robbie Williams, former singer for the pop group Take That, won awards for
Best Single ("Angels"), Best Video ("Millennium") and Best British Male. He
opened the show by descending to the stage, via a cable, from the arena
ceiling, and performing the single "Let Me Entertain You" surrounded by a
horde of futuristically clad dancers.

Charlotte Heatcote, 23, a Williams fan, said he was "the most fanciable man
alive" and "better than everybody else there."

Imbruglia, an Australian actress-turned-singer whose "Torn"
<http://media.addict.com/atn-bin/get-music/Imbruglia,_Natalie/Torn.ram>
(RealAudio excerpt) was a major hit in 1998, was named Best International
Newcomer and Best International Female.

"I came to London to act, and I hadn't any idea of the struggles that were
coming," she said. "I'd like to thank Britain for all the challenges it
presented me." 
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From Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk  Sat Feb 20 00:22:40 1999
From: Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk (Sarah Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:22:40 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Star struck
Message-ID: <199902200022.AAA06931@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk>


Hey youse

DickRickNick Cooke is in Glasgow University Research Club right now, as I
type. He was greeted as a complete star with lots of lickle girlies running
over to him and screaming.  I'm back off there now, having got my chalet
booked!!!

See you dahn saaath in April.

Very excited Sarah xx
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From pants at xxx.com  Sat Feb 20 01:26:39 1999
From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:26:39 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Star struck
In-Reply-To: <199902200022.AAA06931@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990219172639.0090f490@mail.hooked.net>


i wonder if all the attention will affect them adversely.
maybe they'll all become shut-ins and build tremendous
stashes of popsicle stick mobiles.

or am i describing my life?  no matter.

senor droolcup

At 12:22 AM 2/20/99 GMT, Sarah Wheeler wrote:
>
>Hey youse
>
>DickRickNick Cooke is in Glasgow University Research Club right now, as I
>type. He was greeted as a complete star with lots of lickle girlies running
>over to him and screaming.  I'm back off there now, having got my chalet
>booked!!!
>
>See you dahn saaath in April.
>
>Very excited Sarah xx
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From Snowinsumr at xxx.com  Sat Feb 20 03:56:11 1999
From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:56:11 EST
Subject: Sinister: ...there is a light that never goes out...
Message-ID: <440b8a01.36ce325b@aol.com>


dear "just came in from a biscuit-nibbling picnic" diary...

i believe that the smith's "there is a light that never goes out" is the
perfect song...everytime i hear it i can feel my body tense and the whole
world melts into this amazing dream...usually this is intensified by massive
tears and the shaken hands grasping for a steadier...
i heard some people playing "my perfect mate" list in the campus cafeteria the
other day and i've done a bit of remastering on my 'perfect mate' list...if
you're looking for a good chuckle at my strange requests read on...i think it
would be nice to hear other's thoughts on their "perfect mate"...so let's
share...

i suppose a nice sensitive boy is what i want...
sensitive with at least a tenth of the sexual politics that jarvis cocker
has...
and if he was shy that would be lovely because i have trouble talking with
people too...i usually blush a little and look at my shoes...so if he did that
i would be quite impressed...although, we'd never be looking at each
other...so that's probably not good...honesty is an admirable trait...dark
hair is an admirable trait, too...i don't know what it is about brown/black
haired boys...and someone who isn't going to make other plans forgetting that
we'd already made plans would be very, very lovely...someone who likes afghans
is the key...and someone who likes kittens...maybe a belle and sebastian/hal
hartley/wedding present/mojave3/mercury rev/godspeed, you black
emperor!/smiths/billy bragg/pulp/gastr del sol/plush/edith frost fan...and i
find glasses rather becoming...i have always been attracted to
intellectuals...

love, 
m. elise
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From honey at xxx.net  Mon Feb 22 13:35:46 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:35:46 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: sorry..
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Dear all.  Sorry the list is temporarily indisposed at the moment,
don't bother sending mail to it just now til you hear from me and
please don't bombard me with mail that might not get a response.
Good things come to those who wait.

honey (it's really me) xxx

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From honey at xxx.net  Tue Feb 23 14:54:04 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:54:04 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: sorry..
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Wandering nomads of the tribe Sinister,

Fear not, the time of your exile in the desert is coming to an end.
Sinister will return very soon, in name as well as nature, on another
server, but still as independent and as damn saucy as it ever was.
Remember the name: "Sinister".  Accept no imitations :)

honey xxx

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From honey at xxx.net  Wed Feb 24 22:40:11 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:40:11 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: News and Views
Message-ID: <Pine.SO4.4.10.9902242228370.21104-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


Find below news of some gigs by B&S and hangers-on to keep you going
- passing on the B&S parts for anyone who didn't get them.

You're all being very patient, I'm very proud of you.  But a special
note: please don't think that other discussion lists spookily popping
up here or there while Sinister has been ill in bed are anything to
do with Sinister or me :)  All I've been doing for the last week is
preparing a brand spanking new list, called, surprisingly, "Sinister"
for you all, and you'll all be subscribed to it automatically in the
next day or so when I hope it'll be up.  All I'll ask in return is
that you remember a different list address.  And keep on being
sinister.

honey xxx


---------- Forwarded message ----------
To: "news at jeepster.co.uk" <news at jeepster.co.uk>
Subject: jeepsternews: Belle & Sebastian ... More Gig Details! :)

Belle & Sebastian have confirmed a gig in Dublin, details as follows ...

B&S and special guests play The Olympia Theatre, Dublin on Wednesday
April 28th 1999 as part of The Heineken Green Energy Weekend.  Ticket
prices are in Irish Pounds, approximately 17.50/16.00, and are available
for sale in the next day or two from Ticketmaster on Ireland 01 456 9569
or UK 0171 344 4444.

********************** end of announcement *****************************

Wahey!  We also have an updated list of bands playing @ The Bowlie
Weekender, here goes ...

Mercury Rev + Kevin Shields
Belle & Sebastian
Pavement (still tbc)
The Delgados
V-Twin
The Divine Comedy
Sleater-Kinney
A.C. Acoustics
Looper
Vic Godard
Camera Obscura
Bill Wells Octet
Broadcast
Ladybug Transistor
Sodastream
Cornelius
Luna
God Speed You Black Emperor
Salako
Cinema

tickets are selling very fast, so if you haven't booked your tickets
yet, do so now as we think it may sell out by the end of the week. :)
we're pretty sure that all the 4 person and 7 person chalets are sold,
so it's only 5 and 6 person chalets left.

************************************************************************

and in other news ...

Looper have confirmed another UK instore date to co-incide with the
release of their debut album "Up A Tree", details as follows:

Monday 8th March
Rough Trade London
Neals Yard, Covent Garden, WC2
Tel: 0171 240 0105
Contact: Darryl

Looper live! at approximately 5.30pm, advance free tickets available
Thursday 25th February (ie tomorrow)!

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From honey at xxx.net  Sat Feb 27 18:01:06 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:01:06 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: The Rebirth of a Nation
Message-ID: <Pine.SO4.4.10.9902271750370.24154-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>

Sinister is back.

Friends in exile - our time has come!  Having been firmly routed by
the evil gremlins, a small pack of determined Sinistereens have
gathered in the hills, rearmed ourselves to the teeth, and are about
to descend on the unsuspecting masses below, with deadly accuracy,
grim determination, and quite a lot of sexy panache too.  You're all
been very loyal, except about 3 of you who've tried to unsubscribe,
and I have this vision of 940 list members wandering around for a
week in confusion, dressed in mittens and dungarees, looking blankly
into shop windows, day-dreaming over bus timetables, and general
feeling all homeless and sad.  Well we're back, and the only thing
you have to do to make me happy is remember the new address - you're
all still on exactly the lists you were on before and don't have to
worry about resubscribing.  PLEASE go and change your entries for the
list address now if you have them in address books or something, as
the old ones won't work, and might cause unpleasant fumes.

Here's your handy pop-up New Sinister Guide:

If you want to mail the reborn sexy Sinister list, send your emails
to:

	sinister at majordomo.net

If you want to subscribe or (gasp!) unsubscribe, send your commands
to:

	majordomo at majordomo.net

If you want to mail me, with my list mummy hat on (if you're
interested it's green and has feathers), mail:

	owner-sinister at majordomo.net


The new list should work pretty much as the old one, and certainly I
will.  Remember, it's called "Sinister".  It's the Belle and
Sebastian list, it's for you, independent of record companies,
corporate strategies and niche marketing potentials, the one true
faith, the list that surpasses all understanding.  Accept no
imitations :)

I'm going to make you all groan just a little and send out the list
introduction again just after this message - it's because it has been
updated a lot since you all joined in 1956, it's got the new
addresses in, and it's what all new subscribers will receive.  Also
because, the Sinister WWW site is still wandering around scratching
its head for a few more days until it finds a permanent new home.
When it exists it'll be at the following URL:

	http://www.majordomo.net/sinister

The above address you should commit to memory because hopefully it'll
always be there, even 1000 years hence when we all live in
fluorescent orange space pods.  OH!  And if any of you have WWW sites
or documents or anything with the old list addresses on, please NOW
go and change them to point to the new list so it should be ok and we
don't get in a muddle.  I just want to cuddle.

Incidentally the list rules remain the same and will be policed with
grim determination.  But let's get this list off to a good start with
some positively profound mailings ok?  Something with either calculus
in it, or original works by true poets, or something by Mrs Murdoch.
No one-line "hey we're back, byeeee!" messages please.  Two lines is
ok :)  Remember we're a community, 1000 strong, not just a resource
for information, although we have bags of that too, and we all love
each other with passion and wide-eyed admiration.  OK?

There will be one or two other changes but hopefully none of you will
notice and most changes are favourable - I'll tell you more later
on.  I'm particularly proud of the fact digest users still won't have
to wade through footers at the end of every message due to clever
software.  The big change is that unfortunately I can't do mysterious
things to the word "P!O!P!" anymore so you can all say it again.
Believe me, if I could I would.

Oh, and could I ask everyone to bear in mind that Sinister, like
every other resource of its kind on the Internet is a public forum.
We sometime feel we're in a small quiet pub here chatting amongst
ourselves, but please bear in mind that anyone can (and is welcome)
to listen in, and can always go back and read the archives.  It's
sometimes worth remembering just before you post.

Finally: sorry in retrospect for all the disruption to your sinister
pleasure, and for a few lost mails, it's been unavoidable and I'd
have liked to have planned it better, so I feel a bit guilty, but
you've been very good about it.  And sorry also in advance for any
hiccups with the new list, but I've really done a lot to make sure
it's as smooth as possible as far as I can, the rest depends on the
provider who look very good at the moment (I tried a few others and
they weren't up to scratch).

If anyone thinks they're getting a tremendous lag in delivery times,
like more than an hour for now, can you let me know?  Any time lag
should be shown in the full headers of a mail message from the list:
your mail reader should, somewhere, be able to "show full headers"
and in there you will see times for each hop as it finds its way to
you, working from bottom to top: remember timezone changes from the
UK, but if the time it was sent out is vastly different from the time
you got it, could you forward the whole message back to me with a
note, WITH full headers turned on?  And if you don't understand all
that don't worry, because if there is a problem 100 other people will
mail me about it :)

Shut up Honey and let them talk.  Welcome back everyone, pull up a
chair, pat the Sinister doggy, have a pipe and relax.

honey xxx



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From rodbegbie at xxx.com  Sat Feb 27 18:12:02 1999
From: rodbegbie at xxx.com (Rod Begbie)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:12:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: My first post on the new "Sinister"
Message-ID: <19990227181202.13195.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>

Can anyone do me a copy of Tigermilk?

<dives for cover>

Rod.




==
-- Rod Begbie - rod at begbie.com - http://www.begbie.com --
I'll settle down with some old story, about a boy who's just like me.
Thought there was love in everything and everyone,
You're so naive.                                -- Belle & Sebastian

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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From shop at xxx.uk  Sat Feb 27 18:18:16 1999
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:18:16 +0000
Subject: Sinister: My first post on the new "Sinister"
References: <19990227181202.13195.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>
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Rod Begbie wrote:
> 
> Can anyone do me a copy of Tigermilk?
> 
> <dives for cover>

hmmm, humour or not that would be the easiest way to ensure that the new sinister
is the shortest lived list on the net.

so, say it all together,

'don't even go there!'

cheers 

david

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From honey at xxx.net  Sat Feb 27 18:21:11 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:21:11 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Bowlie Booking Fees
Message-ID: <Pine.SO4.4.10.9902271818490.24154-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>

Message from Neil, B&S manager, re. Camber Sands.

P.S. I hope you're all dancing.

honey xxx


From: "Karen David" <belleandsebastian at xxx.com>
To: sinister at majordomo.net
Subject: Bowlie Booking fees

Hello.  I got sent a disgruntled mail about the booking fee for
Camber Sands. It was from Mike I think.  Well, I just want to say,
whoever you spoke to at Ticketweb was mistaken.  There isn't a 16%
booking fee at Camber Sands. The only reason we chose Ticketweb to
exclusively sell the tickets is because they were willing to cap the
booking fee at 3 quid per ticket.  If anybody really did pay 16%,
which is 13.60 pounds by my reckoning, please get in touch, because
that was a mistake. I'd be surprised if anyone did.  Mail me at:
belleandsebastian at classic.msn.com

Thanks,
Neil
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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Sat Feb 27 18:35:04 1999
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:35:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: scotish rite temple stomp
Message-ID: <v01510100b2fd82c468b2@[128.122.74.21]>

yeah!!!  oh, i'm so glad that things are back and shiny and new.  it makes
me all tingly i tell you.  so, yes.  anyway, i feel like the only person in
the universe not going to the bowlie weekend, but as there are only 2600
tickets and approximately 6 billion people in the universe, i'm probably
not.  that seems to be the big b&s news really, and i tell you i'm jealous.
there should be scholarships for deserving listees who are currently
impoverished.  in fact, i'm going to start one.  the megan goes to bowlie
scholarship fund is now open.  please send assorted lunch money to:

megan goes to bowlie c/o sinister at majordomo.net

credit cards will be accepted.

i think i'm just going mad with the power here cause i don't really have
anything to say but i feel like i should use this opportunity to get back
on the wagon as they say.

xoxo
megan

mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu

visit the NEWLY UPDATEDmagnetic fields web page at:
http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/


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From mikewjones at xxx.com  Sat Feb 27 18:42:38 1999
From: mikewjones at xxx.com (Michael Jones)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:42:38 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Bowlie Booking Fees
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Hello kids,

> From: "Karen David" <belleandsebastian at xxx.com>
> To: sinister at majordomo.net
> Subject: Bowlie Booking fees
> 
> Hello.  I got sent a disgruntled mail about the booking fee for
> Camber Sands. It was from Mike I think.  Well, I just want to say,
> whoever you spoke to at Ticketweb was mistaken.  There isn't a 16%
> booking fee at Camber Sands.

I am an idiot.  

The surcharge that I somehow imagined Ticketweb would slap on every
Bowlie ticket sold was so absurdly big that I should really have
double-checked my facts before posting.  Apologies for the misleading
information and especially (gulp) if it actually discouraged anyone from
calling them up.

I might just keep my head down for a bit... :(

Mike.
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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Sat Feb 27 18:52:12 1999
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:52:12 EST
Subject: Sinister: My first post on the new "Sinister"
Message-ID: <9dc2bde.36d83edc@aol.com>

We're back!  Champagne all around!!  

And Rod !!  If you get a copy of Tigermilk, will you tape it for me??   Let us
all bear in mind that those who forget their history are bound to repeat it :)

Wasn't it nice to find sinister mail in our boxes once again?  Like getting
letters from good friends,  jewels amongst all the bills and other junk mail.
How HAVE you all been during the diaspora?   I hope one of Chris Leonard's
groupies will send us an ink polaroid of his performance at the Poetry Cafe
last night.

It's almost spring and time for us to think about getting together -- hooray
hooray.  Rod, put something together for Boston the weekend of SFA!!  You can
advertise on the rrrrrrodcam... just put the information on your stomach and
stand in front of the lens.  

Welcome back to the playground, Sinisterines!!

--michele
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From haajohns at xxx.net  Sat Feb 27 19:50:45 1999
From: haajohns at xxx.net (Haakon Johnsen)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:50:45 +0100
Subject: Sinister: B&S on Norwegian telly
Message-ID: <36D84C95.D3E97E6A@c2i.net>

hi everyone,
Last week a journalist from NRK went to Glascow to meet Richard Colburn.
He showed us the place where he and Stuart lives. Apparently Richard and
Stuart runs this club for the local youngsters called The Friday
Alternative. I don't know if this is old news to some of you, but I
didn't know about it.Richard said that the club wasn't very popular. We
also saw Belle & Sebastians rehersal room. The room was pretty empty
since the band was in the studio recording, but he told us a very
interesting thing. Stuart tend to forget the lyrics so all their records
were hanging on the wall so that Stuart could easily read the lyrics.
The whole thing was mixed together with clips from the Dirty Dream #2
video and also the Wicked video.
A really nice thing indeed, and I have it all on tape.

n.p Guided By Voices - Bee Thousand (on red vinyl)

haakon

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From hamibe02 at xxx.edu  Sat Feb 27 20:16:51 1999
From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E. Hamilton)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:16:51 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Come to my house, be one of us
Message-ID: <001401be628e$1cac8920$ee941198@wfu.edu>

Greetings to everyone!

I have sorely missed the dillydallying that this list did encompass.

A few new things with Blakie--
1) I love Pulp
2) Jarvis Cocker seems very angry
3) I want a Looper tee
4) I ordered a Stow tee 3 weeks ago, and it isn't here yet
5) my grades are actually good this semester
6) my crush thinks i'm weird, yet she is a fox
7) i think my computer has a virus

I have the happy99 virus I think, but I don't know if I've gotten rid of it
yet.  So if there is a happy99.exe attachment to my email, don't open it!!
Can someone tell me out there how to get rid of this thing, if I still have
it, that is?

No B&S content, though I think the gripe about the shirt kinda counts.

Question--Why does everyone think I'm so cute and adorable, yet I can't get
anyone to 'come in the sack'?  One of life's great paradoxes.  I'm walking
proof that life is indeed, very f*cked up.

Bye for now my dears...

-blak(ie)

in my cd player--Tales from The Who, 1973, Philly
~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
''Bitch said something mystical...''
Roger Waters

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From honey at xxx.net  Sat Feb 27 20:14:42 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:14:42 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: The Rebirth of a Nation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SO4.4.10.9902271750370.24154-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SO4.4.10.9902272006440.25190-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>

Oh - here's the updated information file for the list I promised.
I've been too busy blowing up sinister balloons, lighting sinister
candles and eating sinister cake to remember to send it.  Please read
it and file it away under your pillow-cases, or between your bosoms.

honey xxx





                        Belle and Sebastian 
                       Sinister Mailing List


This is a mailing list for the band Belle and Sebastian. The Sinister
WWW pages are at:

        http://www.majordomo.net/sinister

[Note: offline just now - back soon - but please still read this
thoroughly]

PLEASE visit this site NOW and take a look around as there's
important information about using the list.  Also, take a look at
recent mailings to the list under "Archive" and search for any
information you might be wanting to find out under "Search" before
asking - it's very often bound to have been asked before, and asking
without looking is very seriously frowned upon as laziness.

Below are a set of Frequently Asked Questions for the list - you MUST
read these before using the list please.  You'll also find you can't
send messages to the list immediately - it's explained why below.

We've had a lot of repeated and prolonged discussions on the list
about things that have really been dealt with before or recently, and
if you join the list and immediately start posting questions, it's
pretty guaranteed someone will groan if you haven't waited to get a
feel for the list.  Sinister is a special place amongst mailing
lists, can be immensely rewarding, but requires more thought and
consideration than other mailing lists, because it's such a
community.

I therefore ask, if you're joining the list for the first time, that
you go NOW to the archives on the WWW (choose the link "Archive" on
the page above) and read the last few days' messages to get a feel
for the current environment.  New and old fans are very welcome on
this list alike, elitism is quashed by a friendly community, but
knee-jerk show-off posts with no content won't be tolerated.  Wit,
imagination and intelligence are the keywords.

The list's future depends on people abiding by the rules as it's run
on borrowed resources.  It's a fun place to be, but please note that
if you cross the list rules you'll be hearing from me.. :)

I'm nice really, honestly.  Enjoy the list.

Honey (mailto:owner-sinister at majordomo.net) xxx


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                        Belle and Sebastian
                       Sinister Mailing List
                                      
   
   
   
   This is a list of questions for using the list. A list of frequently
   asked questions for Belle and Sebastian themselves can be found at the
   Jeepster Site at http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/faq/index.htm.  

   I know this document is long but please take time to read it before 
   you use the list.  Ignorance is no defence, and you're expected to 
   have read and agreed to these before posting - if not, you might 
   encounter the BLACK HOLE OF SINISTER.

   Finally, please note that temporarily the Sinister WWW site is
   being relocated and so is unavailable but will be back very soon.
   When it's up it can always be found at:
 
   http://www.majordomo.net/sinister

   
Mailing List Frequently Asked Questions

Index

   Using the list
   -1. What's Sinister? What connection has it with the record
   company? 
   0. What happens if I don't bother reading this?
   1. How do I send messages, subscribe/unsubscribe from Sinister?
   2. So I just send everything to "sinister at majordomo.net", yeah?
   3. I'm getting fed up with all these messages, can I get them all
   together sometime instead?
   4. Can I tell who is on the list?
   5. I can't get off the list - why not?
   6. I'm on the list but I've stopped getting any emails - what's
   happened??  --OR--  My list messages stopped and I get keep getting
   silly ones about a list called "honey-bounces" - what's all this
   about?
   7. I only just joined the list, can I see what's previously been sent?
   8. Someone mentioned something on the list and I can't remember when
   or what they said - shall I ask again?
   9. I need someone's email address from the list and I can't find it
   10. When I send a reply to the list the address my mail program
   decides to send to if I don't change it is stupid!  Why don't replies
   automatically go back to the list / the recipient only?
   
   List content and rules
   11. OK so it's a music list then?
   12. So what can we talk about on the list?
   13. So why can't anyone out there send any old junk to the list?
   14. Brilliant!  I can advertise my new band/floor cleaner/hygiene
   product to everyone on the list now!
   15. He/she's really winding me up, I'm going to slag them off
   something rotten...
   16. What else do I have to remember?
   
   Hints
   17. What is "Tigermilk" / what other recordings are there / who is in
   the band etc etc?
   18. Can someone record me a CDR, MD, MP3 of Tigermilk or another B&S
   release?
   19. I've found a shop selling CDR bootlegs...
   20. Hey I've found out Belle and Sebastian are releasing a single /
   playing a gig and no-one's mentioned it yet, I'm going to tell
   everyone...
   
   About the list
   21. Who provides this list?  Who says I can't do what I want on it?
   22. What has the list got to do with Jeepster, the record company?
   23. Do the band read the list?
   24. Why bother with all this?
   25. What sort of presents can I send to Honey to show him I love him?
   
   
   
                               Using the list
                                      
   -1. What's Sinister? What connection has it with the record
       company?

   The Sinister list sprung fully-formed from the fiery backside of a
   list briefly set up on one of those WWW public services by
   the Belle and Sebastian "fan-club"; unfortunately these public 
   lists don't work very well, so it was restarted on this server by 
   me shortly after its birth.  It's the original fully-flavoured and 
   pedigree Belle and Sebastian mailing list, set up in 1997, with 
   about a thousand members.  
   
   It's a very special list - not a "resource for fans", but a 
   community of people who love the music of Belle and Sebastian, 
   and who usually love each other, often ending up in each others 
   underwear too.  It isn't for people who want quick one-shot 
   answers to one-shot questions, or want to sell something, or
   want to show how cool they are (because I'm not), but is a safe
   hidey-hole for people who want somewhere they can contribute and 
   receive thoughtful, imaginative and saucy thoughts about the 
   band and everything that starts there and doesn't end up 
   somewhere pointless.  Although it isn't solely a news list, 
   you will also get Belle and Sebastian news promptly, passed on 
   from record company mails or the band themselves.

   The list is run from Scotland, so it's pretty close to home, 
   and many of the members are friends of the band - the band 
   sometimes mail and often read too. This is worth remembering
   when you're thinking of sending in scurrilous rumours, amused 
   though the band are by all that too though sometimes.  Please 
   remember: although this list was originally called "the Official 
   List" by Jeepster, it's entirely independent of the band and 
   the record company - it's completely independent of all 
   commercial concerns in fact, and is here for you.



   0. What happens if I don't bother reading this?
   
   The list has got too big and too hard to manage to tolerate people who
   want to show off, swap personal jokes with friends, use it as a forum
   to promote their ego, abuse others, or carry on blithely ignoring the
   rules below, which try to keep some sort of sanity for the many many
   people who receive every message. If it looks like you're blindly
   ignoring the rules in this document, your mail will be monitored
   (which is actually a pain to do, but necessary) and won't get passed
   through to the list unless you sharpen up. You won't get any warnings,
   it'll just disappear. If you keep on offending you'll get kicked and
   banned. I'm afraid this has become necessary as the list has grown and
   nearly now become unmanageable, and is something called for very
   strongly by the majority of listees. There's no court of appeal as I
   don't have the time, and you won't even get an email telling you
   what's happened: it'll only happen to people who've clearly ignored
   all this. So please read ALL the rules before even thinking of
   posting.  And don't grumble :)
   
   
   1. How do I send messages, subscribe/unsubscribe from Sinister?
   
   There are two addresses you need to remember to use the list:

   sinister at majordomo.net

   - this is the address to send messages to everyone on the list.
   Everything sent here goes to everyone - the list software makes a copy
   of your message and sends it on to everyone who is subscribed.  You
   use this address everytime you want to mail information to the list,
   when you've been given the ability to post to it.

   majordomo at majordomo.net

   - this is where you send mailing list requests i.e.
   subscribe/unsubscribes.  Messages sent here don't go to the list but
   perform certain commands - they should be sent in the body of your
   message (i.e. first line) and not the subject line.  There's not a
   person on the other end but a program which reads commands you send in
   your email and responds to them, so you need to type them exactly
   right.  To subscribe to the list you need to send the following
   command:

   subscribe sinister

   and equally

   unsubscribe sinister

   to get off the list.
   
   It's important you understand the distinction between these two
   addresses.
   
   Once you've joined the list you have to wait a little while before you
   can send a post to it.  This is to ensure that newcomers get a feel
   for list content, look through the archives and information on these
   WWW pages and soak up the list atmosphere before taking part.  The
   list is sufficiently big now that this time in the nursery for new
   members is necessary to stop the list going wild with new requests and
   questions that have been asked many times before and can be easily
   answered by looking in the Archives or Searching.  Please don't think
   of this as elitist! It's simply a way of introducing a warming-up
   period so that there's some continuity in the spirit of the list.  If
   you want a nice place to stay on the Internet, it's worth the wait,
   and I daresay you'll appreciate this measure when you're a proper
   member.
   
   The current period you have to sit in the nursery and play with bricks
   for before getting a voice to post is 2-3 weeks (the procedure to give
   you a voice runs every week or so).  At that time you'll get a mail
   message telling you you have graduated and can now post.  It's still
   very important that you've read through all  the List Rules before
   taking part, as failure to follow them could result in your voice
   being permanently removed.
   
   If you ever get really stuck and you have read the rest of this page,
   then just send a personal message to

   owner-sinister at majordomo.net

   This gets through to a person i.e. me and I can sort it out but
   I'll pull a face if you haven't tried everything suggested here.


   2. So I just send everything to "sinister at majordomo.net", yeah?

   No!  Read again!  Never send unsubscribe requests to the list
   itself (i.e. sinister at majordomo.net) but always to
   majordomo at majordomo.net!!!   This is very important as you'll
   find people will want to throttle you if you send such messages to
   the list - it happens a lot and drives people mad.  I may be able
   to put a block on these and chuck them away but I do not have the
   time to manual subscribe/unsubscribe people who get it wrong.


   3. I'm getting fed up with all these messages, can I get them all
   together sometime instead?

   Yes, instead of subscribing to "sinister" you need to subscribe to
   "sinister-digest".  This means you get a single mail of all
   messages to the list rather than each message individually as
   someone send it.  Digests are sent out every now and again,
   probably about once a day but actually when the number of lines
   hits a certain threshold.   Just follow the same rules as above,
   so just send the message:  

   subscribe sinister-digest

   to:

   majordomo at majordomo.net

   Note the hyphen above, many people leave it out and it matters!
   Remember if you are changing to the digest to unsubscribe from the
   standard list.
   
   
   4. Can I tell who is on the list?
   
   Yes.  The first way is to click on the links on the main WWW page
   under "Joining".  Here you can see the full email addresses of people
   on the main list, the digest, and a breakdown of who on the list is
   from which countries.
   
   If you can't get to the WWW you can still get a list by email: just
   send the command

   who sinister

   to

   majordomo at majordomo.net

   Equally you can get some info on the list be sending:

   info sinister

   but you'll probably just get the same as you're reading here.  
   
   
   
   5. I can't get off the list - why not?
   
   Don't mail me until you've read this or I'll get a bit grumpy.  There
   are several reasons why it doesn't work when you expect it to:

    1. You're not on "sinister" but the digest version which is actually
       a separate list called "sinister-digest".  You need to send an
       "unsubscribe sinister-digest" command.

    2. Your mail program is sending out your email address in a slightly
       different format than before (maybe you changed programs).  First
       you should check your subscription address by finding it in the
       correct list, using the "who" command or looking at the list from
       the top WWW page as described above.  If you see your address
       still on the list then try:

       unsubscribe sinister email-address

       There'll be a slight delay while this kind of request gets
       approved but it'll be a lot quicker than waiting for me to sort it
       out manually.

    3. You're actually off the list but mail is still dribbling through -
       again check the subscriber list from the WWW or using the "who"
       command.
       
   If none of this works and you're sure you're still on the list, then
   mail me, but send me the error you get when you try and unsubscribe.
   I can't do much without this.
   
   
   6. I'm on the list but I've stopped getting any emails -
   what's happened??  --OR--  My list messages stopped and I get keep
   getting silly ones about bouincing email - what's all this about?
   
   Often your service provider will have problems with its email setup
   and mail to you from the list will bounce back to me.  I get many of
   these a day and after mail has bounced once or twice you will be taken
   off the Sinister list or digest and put on another list to warn
   you regularly.  It keeps trying you until it gets through, i.e. 
   your email is fixed and you can see the problem.
   
   The next thing to do is read the message!  It will
   tell you what to do.  You need to first take yourself off the
   bounce list (to stop getting the reminders).  You do this by
sending a mail to "owner-sinister at majordomo.net" the text of which
says just "unbounce". You then need add yourself
   back on the "sinister" or "sinister-digest" as if you are a new user.
   If you were on the main list then you would send the following to
   majordomo at majordomo.net (not sinister at majordomo.net!):

   subscribe sinister

   You should get confirmation back that this has worked.
   
   If your address is having delivery problems (i.e. the list can't get
   through to you) then it will be receiving errors - to see if it is for
   you, take a look at the directory of the last 100 errors mentioned
   on the Sinister WWW site and see if your email address is included 
   on any of them.  Warning - this is a raw directory of cryptic 
   sendmail error messages so unless you are an administrator don't 
   spend long trying to make sense of them - just see if there is a 
   problem and if you have tried all the suggestions in this list, 
   contact the list owner.  But if you find an error message in this 
   directory referring to your email, take a copy and shove it
   under the nose of your system administrator or service provider,
   asking them what's wrong.
   
   At any rate, if you stop getting list emails you should check you are
   still on the list by looking at the membership lists under Joining The
   List.  You could also check that there is mail currently arriving by
   looking at the list archives.
   
   
   
   7. I only just joined the list, can I see what's previously
   been sent?
   
   Yes there is an archive available on the WWW.  Just click on
   "Archives" at the top of the main Sinister WWW page which is at:
   
   http://www.majordomo.net/sinister
   
   This is the last page of the current month's archive of messages.
   Follow the links from that page to see any week's messages on the
   list, and there are links to see messages in date order etc. if you
   prefer.
   
   
   8.  Someone mentioned something on the list and I can't
   remember when or what they said - shall I ask again?
   
   Well have a look in the archives first so you don't get told that it's
   been answered before.  Use the search facility on the WWW site - you
   can find it by going to the "Search" link at the top of the main
   Sinister page. You can search for any word or series of words by
   typing them in the box.  There are lots of options to search for
   different things.
   
   
   9.  I need someone's email address from the list and I can't
   find it
   
   Use the "Search" above to look for their name in the archive. Don't
   ask the list or you'll be spanked.
   
   
   
   10. When I send a reply to the list the address my mail
   program decides to send to if I don't change it is stupid!  Why don't
   replies automatically go back to the list / the recipient only?
   
   
   The setting for this list is that a Reply-to field is not set.  This
   means that for most mail programs replies will go back to the sender
   of the message rather than the list itself.  This may or may not be
   the right behaviour for you, but is set as a most conservative and
   safest choice for the list.  This is a fairly religious issue but
   here's a quick discussion why I have done it this way.
   
   Please digest users in particular remember that a reply to a message
   in the digest will not go to the list.  It goes to "owner-sinister"
   which is a particular kind of black hole :)  I get these sometimes and
   I'm afraid the list takes too much of my time to manual send stuff
   on.  It'll get deleted very rapidly, so you'll just have to remember
   I'm afraid.
   
   The main reason is because it is generally seen as bad practice to do
   this,although it's quite widespread - see for instance
   
   http://www.unicom.com/FAQ/reply-to-harmful.html
   
   The reason for this isn't petty technical completeness but because it
   can cause very real problems - only in the last month my mailbox was
   filled with a thousand copies of the same error message caused by a badly
   constructed mail program at the receiving end by someone on the list -
   some of the bigger corporations just don't abide by standard Internet
   mailing rules and their programs send errors back to the Reply-To
   field, which go back to the list and via the list back to the
   offending machine and... you can imagine. For people picking up their
   mail via dial-up I can only imagine the nightmares this would cause.
   
   
   
                           List content and rules
                                      
   
   11. OK so it's a music list then?
   
   Well - sort of - but remember it's a list for People Who Listen To
   Belle And Sebastian and it's very existence is centred around that
   idea.  There are plenty of much more general music lists (e.g.
   "indiepop") which will be better suited to someone who wants to talk
   for hours about a particular genre.  These other lists have many more
   resources behind them and are there for just that.  Of course we're
   all going to talk about music/books/wallpaper we like but there's a
   balance to be struck.  It's actually quite a hard balance to find so
   the best thing to do is watch the list for a while and see what people
   like.
   
   
   
   12. So what can we talk about on the list?
   
   Anything vaguely connected with the band or with life as a fan of
   Belle and Sebastian, is OK.  The list is the place where you'll hear
   any real news about Belle and Sebastian first, but it is also a place
   where people will tell stories about what's happened to them, if they
   think they're funny or relevant. Try and remember this: it's a list
   for Belle and Sebastian but more importantly about the lives of People
   Who Listen To Belle And Sebastian.  If you want a low-volume news-only
   list for the band then don't join.  You will get a lot of mail that
   isn't about latest releases, gigs, appearances etc., but instead about
   ourselves.
   
   The list goes right when it's lively, funny, interesting, touching,
   and sometimes even useful. The list goes wrong when people post
   irrelevancies, not-so-funny "clever" quips, or long discussions take
   place which would be more suited to another list (like discussions of
   the relative merits of a band unrelated to B&S).
   
   I may step in if we get a long long conversation about something
   interesting to only a tiny minority of the list - some people pay
   handsomely for their email and would not be pleased to receive a
   thousand messages about an obscure band from Wigan who once sounded a
   bit like the intro to one of Belle and Sebastian's songs.  If you do
   receive a mail from me which asks you to stop posting to the list on a
   particular subject, or in a particular way, please don't be offended -
   I am just trying to keep this list running ok - but please do
   something about it.  I have seen too many lists die as a result of
   losing sight of what they are for and why people liked them in the
   first place, and don't want the same to happen here, if it can be
   avoided.
   
   Please try and be sensitive to the majority of listeners (about 1000 at
   the time of writing) and do not continue long threads on an unrelated
   subject - if you wish to divert widely from the issues related
   specifically to the band, then go to a more general list or pop along
   to www.liszt.com and join another list as well!  Pet theories about
   whether Elvis is a cat or indeed a brussel sprout are however
   tolerated for a long time because they amuse your list administrator.
   
   13. So why can't anyone out there send any old junk to the
   list?
   
   Because you can only send to the list if you are a member.  Some
   people may be on the list, but try and send from another mail account
   somewhere else - normally this mail will bounce back to you with a
   message explaining why.  Other people's mail programs send out the
   sender's email address in a different format from the address you
   subscribed with - unfortunately my computer doesn't know that and will
   again send back your email, explaining why and what to do.
   This restrictions to posting to the list has been added, to remove the
   possibility of unsolicited adverts, and more importantly, to promote a
   sense of community and inhibit one-off mailshots from people who
   haven't taken the time to absorb the list's content and try and fit in
   sensitively.  This has been necessary as a lot of loyal list members
   have appealed to me to stop un-thought-out and careless emails from
   people who don't want to make an effort, and it's made the list very
   hard to read. I don't allow new members who read the WWW archives by
   choice, to post to the list I'm afraid, as it's just too easy to skip
   through one or two messages instead of committing yourself to be a
   member and therefore appreciate what a pain 40 pointless messages in a
   day can be in your mailbox.
   


   14. Brilliant!  I can advertise my new band/floor
   cleaner/hygiene product to everyone on the list now!
   
   Please please please don't abuse the list in this way.  Anyone who
   consistently and unashamedly sends adverts to the list will be banned
   with no court of appeal.
   
   
   
   15. He/she's really winding me up, I'm going to slag them off
   something rotten...
   
   DO NOT FLAME PEOPLE OR BE ABUSIVE!  I take this very seriously and
   will act accordingly - too many mailing lists have been ruined by
   arrogance or a quick temper by people who consider themselves "real
   fans" - a rather pathetic term.  This mailing list is setup for
   everyone, especially new enthusiastic listeners who do not need to be
   abused and belittled.  Please be helpful and if you can't think of
   anything nice to say go and do a jigsaw.  Anyone who is consistently a
   real pain will be permanently removed.   I am a naive kitten and I
   don't like fights on my list and I'll stop them - there are plenty of
   angry lists to go to if you want.
   
   If anyone feels they are being unfairly mistreated or have any other
   problems with the list please mail me rather than the list.  I will
   sort out any such problems offline.
   
   This of course doesn't mean you can't express strong feelings strongly
   - in fact it's mandatory.  But don't attack people, attack things.
   
   
   16. What else do I have to remember?
   
   Please read these and remember.  If someone consistently ignores these
   you might get a bit of a growl and in extreme cases I'll stop people
   posting and kick people off if the happiness of the majority on the
   list demands it.
     * Don't use the list to sell stuff or you will get an angry note
       from me - this list must stay strictly non-commercial to ensure
       its future existence and my job.
     * Don't send warnings about viruses to the list!  You might be being
       friendly but 99.9% of these "virus warnings" are hoaxes - the only
       "virus" is the fact that you are passing it on, and everyone who
       knows will groan.  If you see one of these and aren't sure then
       mail me and I will check for you.
     * Don't send lots of replies to separate messages on the list one
       after another.  This doesn't seem to go down well.  Proper
       behaviour is to hold back, read a few messages and bundle up your
       replies to them all in one big message for the day. If you're
       sending more than two messages a day, unless in exceptionaly
       circumstances where you have something very important to tell us
       all, then you're getting it wrong, and will probably hear from me.
     * If you are replying to someone, take the time to edit the bits you
       are quoting from their message carefully and just quote a few
       lines.  If you can't be bothered editing the message you are
       replying to, don't bother sending - laziness on your own part
       equates to over 800 people having to page through stuff they've
       read before.  If you are adding fewer lines than you are quoting
       it's probably not worth sending either.
     * Don't comment on what is or isn't a "good mail" to the list, and
       the nature of content on the list please: comments such as "you
       shouldn't have posted that, it's not on-topic" or "I think we
       should be able to talk about ... and it's none of your business to
       stop us". These kind of discussions about  mailing lists on
       mailing lists are as old as the hills and go round and round - any
       attempt to "improve" list content inevitably results in an
       increasingly tedious well-trod path or "yes we can", "no you
       can't" and the list always gets worse. Mails about list content
       are not considered a valid subject for this list, and I will put a
       stop to such if I see them starting.  The correct response if you
       see postings you don't like is: (a) mail the sending politely and
       with panache, explaining why, and/or (b) mail me  and let me
       know.  If I get a few comments on a particular thread on the list
       I will always act to make it work for the majority of people; plus
       it makes me feel wanted.
     * Don't send number games/quizzes/petitions/jokes to the list
       please.  Put a bit of yourself into your posts.
     * If you really need some information on something that other people
       may not want to know, please make sure  you remember to tell
       people not to mail back to the list, but to you personally.  If
       you think others might be interested, say you will post a summary
       of the mails you received.  And, erm, do it.
     * Don't use the list for private mail to 5 people you know.  Please
       help my server stay unclogged so this list can survive.
     * Don't send lists of your favourite bands/films or anything to the
       list, and don't join in if someone else asks people to.  This is
       the plague of mailing lists the world over: lists  of "things I
       like" are usually completely useless the other end, and usually
       mean they want you to know how tasteful they are :)
       If you want to talk about bands you like, tell us why.
     * People will talk about a book or film or song or sandwich filling
       they love or hate.  That's fine - but please don't just say "it's
       great" or "it's crap".  Say why.  Just because a lot of people
       tell me they get fed up with these.
     * Please don't send messages with attachments to the list.  This may
       not be junk to you but there's still lots of people out there who
       don't use mail programs that know how to deal with anything but
       standard text.  And please remember some of us use Unix etc. as a
       principle platform and so attachments in proprietary formats (like
       Microsoft Word) will just be plain unreadable. If anyone wants to
       share material that isn't in standard text format, or that's of
       significant size, that's fine - just send it to me and I will post
       it up on the WWW site.  That way people get to choose to download
       it...
     * Don't fling any old message to the list or treat it like email to
       a few friends - it just doesn't translate on a massive scale and
       people will get irritated.  Think before you send.  The drill is:
       compose your message - hover your hand over the send button for 10
       seconds - think: "would Cliff Richard send this?" - send.
     * If you've just joined the list, don't think of posting anything
       for at least a week or two. This is a special list, a special
       community of people, and you're expected to get a feel for the
       community instead of jumping in and shouting. Please sit quiet and
       watch the list for a bit, and decide if you wish to play by the
       same rules.
       
                                   Hints
                                      
   17.  What is "Tigermilk" / what other recordings are there /
   who is in the band etc etc?
   
   This list of answers doesn't cover any of that - it's just guidelines
   for using the list itself.  You can imagine that question like these
   get asked and answered all the time.  There's a set of answers to
   questions like these on the record company site at:
   
   http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/faq/index.htm
   
   Please make sure you read these if you're new before posting your
   question.
   
   
   18. Can someone record me a CDR, MD, MP3 of Tigermilk or
   another B&S release?
   
   Members of staff of Belle and Sebastian's record company Jeepster 
   pop in and out of the list.  They are a business and have stated 
   their position many times: they are happy for people to exchange
   analogue tape copies of B&S recordings, including Tigermilk, but 
   draw the line at anything in a digital format.  This includes CDRs,
   minidisc recordings, and MP3 files on the Internet, and if they hear
   about people exchanging such formats, they often choose to contact
   the sender.  So, just as a warning, if you go mentioning it on the 
   list, you'll probably get a letter from them.  People forget lists
   are public forums anyone can read.
   
   This is the position Jeepster take, in accordance with their own
   polices, and is a matter for them, too often discussed on the list:
   it just leads to acrimony and the whole debate on the list one
   more time.  If you want to talk about the ethics of it, make sure
   you've read through everything anyone has said about it and have
   something startlingly new to say.  Please also note that Jeepster's
   position is their own, not mine, and has nothing to do with the 
   running of this list.  It also doesn't mean I approve or disapprove 
   of what they do.
   
   
   
   19. I've found a shop selling CDR bootlegs...
   
   See above.  If you tell people on the list, then Jeepster have
   been know to write them a nasty solicitor's letter.  And remember 
   that commercially produced bootlegs are usually poorly done, with 
   no love for the music, and mean you're just giving more cash to 
   some criminal who'll go off and spend it on Celine Dion LPs for 
   his mum.  Don't do it.
   
   
   20.  Hey I've found out Belle and Sebastian are releasing a
   single / playing a gig and no-one's mentioned it yet, I'm going to
   tell everyone...
   
   Well you may  be right, but it's pretty likely you're not.  There
   seems to be masses of people/shops out there who "know" about release
   dates/gigs before the band or record company do.  To save everyone
   going out and booking plane tickets, I'd suggest you mail Jeepster
   to check before you post to the list.
   
   
   
                               About the list
                                      
   21. Who provides this list?  Who says I can't do what I want
   on it?
   
   The resources to run this list are provided by me and it is
   not a guaranteed public service - I will do whatever is necessary to
   ensure its continued existence.  If you want a completely unrestrained
   list where anyone can talk for weeks about anything, there are
   other lists which advertise themselves as unmoderated; or if you
   want a more constrained list that is moderated or band news only, 
   then I'm afraid you'll have to go elsewhere too.  Or indeed you can 
   go off and make your own list: that's what the Internet's for.
   
   I'm hoping I can keep this list going on the resources I have - but if
   it impacted too much I might have to withdraw it one day.  To ensure
   it continues therefore it isn't a public resource in quite the same
   way a newsgroup is.  So please be nice, be aware of who you're sending
   messages too, remember the list rules, and be public-spirited.
   
   
   22. What has the list got to do with Jeepster, the record
   company?
   
   Nothing formally at all.  The list isn't here to promote Jeepster, or
   indeed the band really, and we don't have to say only nice things
   about either of them.  Courtesy is required though.
   
   I'm making these points just to say that it's a separate, strictly 
   non-commercial meeting place - if you want fan club or record
   company comment then go straight to Jeepster.

   
   23. Do the band read the list?
   
   The answer is pretty much: yes, sporadically.  The band have an office
   in Glasgow and a few members get Internet access elsewhere and they
   keep up with it on and off when it's interesting.  Please don't let
   that inhibit anyone from saying anything - remember it's your list,
   not anyone elses.  And don't expect an answer from the band to a query
   on the list - it's pretty unlikely.  Mail them direct from the link to
   the band WWW pages on the Sinister top page.
   
   
   24. Why bother with all this?
   
   Lists of frequently asked questions like this are usually formal and
   stuffy affairs so a personal note: I am a grumpy thirty-something who
   still refuses to listen to Eric Clapton or moan how good music was
   when he was 16 - it's hard though when we're surrounded by so much
   mediocrity, but we shouldn't kid ourselves it was any different 15
   years ago.  But when I heard Belle and Sebastian I jumped for joy at a
   band with genuine musical sense, charm, toughness and POPness.  So
   this is still all about music.
   
   
   25.  What sort of presents can I send to Honey to show him I
   love him?
   
   A very good question - honey of course, rude postcards or silly little
   toys.
   
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From k.watson at xxx.uk  Sat Feb 27 20:44:54 1999
From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:44:54 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Let's get the show on the road
Message-ID: <01BE6292.07E8D800.k.watson@cableinet.co.uk>

OK Chums, here we are again on a new list. Hopefully we'll have just as 
great a time from now on as we have had over the last few years. Here's 
some of my personal favourites...



All the people - you know who you are - and their posts to this list that 
make it bloody funny, and make it worthwhile reading.

Meeting everyone at gigs, and getting horrendously pissed up for a laugh. 
Manchester in particular last Christmas was bloody hilarious, seeing cause 
and effect, with Chris Geddes being razzled up to the eyeballs, and 
apparently then hueyed into a bucket at the concert the next day. I didn't 
make it, too hungover

Stevie Trousers visiting Glasgow, getting out of the CCA for the second 
week in a row without paying for the meal

Meeting Roddddney Begbie in London. I gave the chap lines at school once, 
but he grew up to be a lovely chap.

Seeing David McCarthy shocked as fuck when we all went for a picnic in 
Glasgow, when he realized that for about half an hour he'd been talking to 
Stuart Murdoch without realising it.

10 Roddington Place

Peter Miller noticing that I was subliminally quoting 10CC song titles in 
my message subjects, after only 2 of them!

With Tag in London, on a bus getting "No sleep till Hammersmith" and 
singing "Mirrors" by Sally Oldfield

Meeting the Duke in London and realizing that he's just as vulnerable as 
the rest of us :).

Seeing Belle and Sebastian win at the Brit Awards legitamately as a result 
of lots of fans voting because they love the band. Seeing Pete Waterman 
fucked off cause it was the only award the industry didn't control, and 
they didn't win it. Pity in some ways, I've always sort of liked Pete 
Waterman, plus I thought he'd be dead into Belle and Sebastian. Never mind 
eh - how your heroes fall.

A few weeks ago when me and Chris Leonard decided to have a "drinking 
competition" which involved trying to drink as much as possible without 
lifting our pints off of the table. This seriously escalated and we wound 
up having to have a bloody good wash in the bogs.

Northy's "mate" posting to the list to tell everyone what a chod he was.

At Brighton Beach in Leeds with B+S and loads of the list posse, wound up 
signing an autograph for a lovely chap on the list for fun myself, he 
posted to the list next day having recognized my stupid drunken scrawl.

Christ I'm going to have to stop now, there's just too many. I could write 
a book on the subject, sorry about the other people not mentioned in name - 
it's purely for the amount of typing I'd have to do.

Love you all,
  Keith.




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From johnj at xxx.com  Sat Feb 27 21:46:01 1999
From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:46:01 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Confessions of a Keith M Watson
In-Reply-To: <01BE6292.07E8D800.k.watson@cableinet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990227214601.007a5100@mail.u-net.com>

Keith Watson wrote:
>A few weeks ago when me and Chris Leonard decided to have a "drinking 
>competition" which involved trying to drink as much as possible without 
>lifting our pints off of the table. This seriously escalated and we wound 
>up having to have a bloody good wash in the bogs.

At least that's what you told the relevant authorities at the time.

Come on Keith tell us what you were REALLY doing in there!
Spill the beans! (or maybe you already did)

I bought a great CD the other week, Mr Taggart told me to, it's this
Divine compilation with the awesome 'Shoot Your Shot' on it. What did
they used to put on record sleeves, "For maximum effect Play Loud" ?

I'm quite excited about this Bowlie weekender thing, despite the utter
utter cockup and misinformation where bookings were concerned. Did
anyone actually GET a 7 person chalet?

JJ
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From atremp at xxx.be  Sat Feb 27 22:35:57 1999
From: atremp at xxx.be (Annie Tremp)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 23:35:57 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Sinister: me very happy now
Message-ID: <199902272235.XAA27229@mach.vub.ac.be>

aaaaaahhhhhhh...

i would say it's nice to be back but then again this is my first mail to
you all.
i've only been on the list for a couple of weeks but i still felt i was
missing something for the last couple of days.
it was quite a scare actually because at first i thought i'd been kicked
out of the list for some obscure reason, and was ready to disturb honey
with a desparate message when i got the explanatory mail that saved me
from going mad. 
anyway, i'm a very polite girl so i'm gonna introduce myself now. i'm annie,
and i'm from brussels, belgium, i'm a biology student, i'm 19, euhmm ...that's
about it.

i guess the tickets for the bowlie weekender will be sold out by now. i
seriously considered asking one of you to smuggle me in (i'm pretty sure
i could fit in a big piece of luggage)
but then i remembered the reason i can't go (apart from having no dough,
that is): at my otherwise ok university we have EXAMS at easter, don't
you have those in the uk? so to all the people who'll be feeling miserable
that weekend, you can console yourselves with the fact that there'll be
an even more miserable person out there revising her biochemistry. feeling
a bit better megan?

enough feeling sorry for myself. i'll try to talk about something else.
it actually started snowing the evening i subscribed to the list, i liked
that. and the snow stayed for more than a week, i can't even remember the
last time that happened(i decided to take this as a sign, sign of what
i don't know). don't you just love the feeling of fresh snow under your
feet? i always try to resist at first because it's so much prettier when
noone's walked on it but i usually crack after five minutes and jump on
every little space of 'unwalked-on' snow i find. you can imagine the looks
i get from people.

about some B&S content, well... i'm listening to 'you made me forget my
dreams' right now, does that count? and last week i ordered some stuff
i didn't have and can't wait to get it.

i'll leave you all now,
sweet dreams,
annie


 













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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Sun Feb 28 00:33:06 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:33:06 -0800
Subject: Sinister: I  L I K E   K I T E S ! :o)
Message-ID: <001501be62b1$eeeb8b20$1b11020a@rebelstrange>


I never realized how much i missed the sinister-ness daily.  i've been very
disoriented lately.
I WISH i could see the gentle waves tour!  better yet, me and jess's girl
group, The Buxoms, would open with our own delightful  brand of bratty
girlie indie-pop and amateurish melodies.  it would be a fabulous line-up!
maybe if she gets famous enough, they will shell out the money to send her
over here on a stadium tour or  soemthing.  i'll be sure to bring my
lighter.
OOOH another round of jealousy, served up to all the evil folks who are able
to attend bowlie weekend, you cheeky monkies.  including YOU, christa "ms
jackson if your nasty" chaffinch.  who supplied me this past week with a
ripped
up magnetic fields poster which DOUBLES as a puzzle and provided me, in my
sickbed, with hours of ungodly amusement.  i'll be checking into the
sanitarium tomorrow.
AND let me nominate said ms jackson for the title High Priestess of Mix
Tapes.  of interest to the interminably Tw** among us (dont' wanna say the
dirty "t" word), is a little song called "Kites are Fun" by a group
apparently named Freezone.  sounding like something out of a 70's feminine
hygiene commercial, replete with flutery and mindbendingly
saccharine/mundane sentiment, it is guaranteed to melt the heart of any
sinister bunny and prescribed to grumps in repeated listening to induce
proper
tw**ness.  At least it woudl be if i were teh king of the world.  anyway, it
beats out paper boat any day.
i've been listening to tijamrs on a loop these days, except for tijamrs the
song
CUZ i dotn' like it that much.   but the  rest of the ep, i wish would last
for hours.  why can't slow graffiti be like a day long? so i could live in
it.

SHOCK HORROR!!!  i've heard from a secret source that the band have decided
to change the artwork for the uh reissue of tiggermilk.  don't breathe a
word of it to anyone, but i've got the image right here.  (please dont' kill
me, it's all in fun) http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4967/tigg1.htm

Francoise Hardy is dreeeeeamy.  her records are a very  fun way of learning
some french in your spare time.  i know a lot more words than i did before i
got those cd's.  huh huh i'm like smart and stuff!!  je soufrirai plus que
toi.... etc etc  (and she's  so beautiful as well!)
ugh....i feel so fakey today!  i apologize, this is really boring.  i've
been trying to update my page lately.  soon you will be able to see  more
isobel things, more  poems, and a photo album of jess and i's non-b&S
adventures on our  DC trip.  it's fun when it's fun!   well that's it for my
uh, self-gratification party today.   OH MY! i just remembered.  i have
plans.  if i can work it out, if i'm  in fact talented enough with the
needle (not THAT sort of needle!!) I think that I may plan to  make a Beanie
Stuart.  i have this silver fabric...... and next, beanie isobel with tiger
ears!!  could it get any cuter??  maybe i can be featured in my gramma's
Beanie World magazines.  if i ever figure out how i can make one, i'll let
y'all know about it.

Today, it hailed golf-ball size hail all over my house!! it was very
exciting!

Any sinisterines in the southwestern area of the UNITED STATES? I"m planning
to go to sKooL in Tempe AZ.  it would be amusing to  know some B&S kids  out
there once i arrive.  i'll be bringing plenty of sunscreen, and my guitar.
well i'll stop boring you. i'm off to play my tambourine and write some
indie pop songs.  next time, my top ten albums of the year. please don't
kill me.
LJ
if you want me i'll be there a boy to deal with all your problems but part
of the deal
is for you to feel
something
http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange
"Everyone begins to get desperate and panicky, and all of a sudden,
everything they never understood, they want it all explained"
--Ms. Buffat, my HS chemistry teacher
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From eliam at xxx.edu  Sat Feb 27 22:59:40 1999
From: eliam at xxx.edu (Marie Elia)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 99 17:59:40 -0500
Subject: Sinister: feeling just ideal.
Message-ID: <199902272251.RAA03687@pellns.alleg.edu>

oh, sinisterites!
i HAVE been wandering aimlessly for about 2 weeks now, or whatever.  
 i had that feeling, like when you are young, and yr best friend  
goes on summer vacation, and for a week or two you just roam about  
waiting for her to get back...

well, two wonderful things happened during the sinister exile:
(1)  i turned 21!  my friends made it one of the best birthdays  
ever... highlights include a little postal hodgepodge from a friend  
in london, and a collage from kimmy (kisskiss!  kim!), and....
(2)  my best friend suprised me with a dubbed copy of tigermilk.   
it is at least a 7th generation tape, but if you turn the volume up  
pretty high, stuart's sweet voice drifts through the speakers just  
fine.  mostly i am just excited to finally hear all these songs that  
everyone keeps talking about.  "we rule the school" is definitely  
beautiful and precious, and "expectations" and "she's losing it"  
rock my world, but i've decided that "electronic renaissance" gets   
PrOPs! from me -- the petshopboys-esque-ness of it is simply lovely.  


i'm doing my best to secure a ticket to the march 24th looper gig,  
as i will be in london that week!  (it is our spring break)...

take care,
xoxo,
marie
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Sun Feb 28 00:01:45 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 00:01:45 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Shag? Or Kebab?
Message-ID: <hq+w9FApdI22Ew3c@elsato97.demon.co.uk>

Hello!

Sorry for the FOR THE LADS!!!! style title there! But I went to see
Murray the Hump last night and boy! Did they rule or what. That Shag? Or
Kebab! song consisted of Gang of Four style agit-pop (what the hell IS
that anyway) and then a gangly fella saying SHAG? OR KEBAB! It's
marvellous!

Of course then I drank too much and was ill the next day *sighh* I
wouldn't have minded but I was with 2 stone cold sober people, and I
was....urrgh. Dear.

So! Sinister is back! SINISTER IS! THE ONE AND ONLYYYY! la la lallalalaa
lalalaaaaa....what is that song? Its a bad song, but I feel t'is apt. Oh
MY what is it! This will bug me...

Anyway aren't toasters great? I love toast! It's the best thing ever,
lightly toasted toast with just melted butter, ooooh almost as scrummy
as our darling list mummy honeypie :) I love tea as well. I want to have
a pint of tea sometime, just for the experience.

I dreamt about you lot! Well, I dreamt about some of you. I was punting
down the river on a pogo stick - it made sense at the time - and then I
saw a boat, and went, I'm in Oxford! I recognise that boat from the
train! And then I had to avoid some white water rapids! next thing I
know, I'm in the Sandcastle in Blackpool swimming towards the end wall.
And THEN, I'm in a pasta resteraawnt, with Andy Nicol and Holly! And the
waiter comes over with the phone, and says, phone call for you all. And
we go, oh, ok, and it was keith who was phoning! Except that Keith
looked like that nasty bloke from 'Queer as Folk'. I don't know how I
knew that considering he only phoned us, but he DID. And THEN we looked
at the people on the next table, and it was HONEY and LINDA! Except
Linda had blonde hair...and was dressed like....you know office-working
women in 80's films? Like one of those. She was eating spaghetti and
can't remember what honey was eating.

I know, get a LIFE. I missed Sinister when it was gone. I kept thinking,
oh I must post to the list about *this*, *that*, and then thinking...
but its gone....but now we are back. IN BLACK. YEAH!  Yawn. Its 2mins
past midnight, and I'm off to bed! 
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Fluffy Candarel

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From johnj at xxx.com  Sun Feb 28 00:33:10 1999
From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 00:33:10 +0000
Subject: Sinister: The Lab Kebab (or is it a shag?)
In-Reply-To: <hq+w9FApdI22Ew3c@elsato97.demon.co.uk>
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Fluffy Sarah said:

>....but now we are back. IN BLACK. YEAH! 

Which reminded me. Apparently on channel 4 next saturday night
at 9pm it's the ALL TIME HEAVY METAL TOP TEN. Keith,
are you listening?

Did any UKers watch John Peel's visit to Lanarkshire? Quite good,
although Duglas Stewart was still going on about Buckfast wine, as he
has been doing for years. Does the guy have shares in the company 
or something? The last time I heard him peddling that stuff was on the
Mark Radcliffe evening shift about 4 years ago.

JJ
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From k.watson at xxx.uk  Sun Feb 28 00:59:16 1999
From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 00:59:16 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Buckfast
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>Which reminded me. Apparently on channel 4 next saturday night
>at 9pm it's the ALL TIME HEAVY METAL TOP TEN. Keith,
>are you listening?

Oh aye JJ don't you worry, I'll be watching that, rocking my socks off. If 
AC/DC are good enough for Stuart Murdoch to rock his socks off to, they're 
good enough for me.
	Another metal fact - we were talking about stuff the other week, the day 
the Sun headline came out, and it turns out that Tony Doogan, the Ca Va 
Engineer and producer of B+S and the Delgados (and Slartibartfast on chat), 
his fave track is Motorhead's "We are the road crew". Top stuff indeed, 
although I personally like "Built for Speed" and "Killed by Death" more, as 
choice Motorhead cuts.

Did any UKers watch John Peel's visit to Lanarkshire? Quite good,
although Duglas Stewart was still going on about Buckfast wine

Readers should check out the Newtown Grunts who are this Punk band from 
Glenrothes, and who now replace the deceased Japs Eye as Fife's finest. 
They're great, they're got a song about buckfast too, called "I drink 
buckfast", where the singer leaps into the audience and rams buckie down 
people's throats. They've got loads of great songs, most of which are 
"dedicated to anyone working in the drinks industry", and their signature 
tune which goes "You're a cunt, you're a cunt, I'm a Newtown Grunt". Fun 
for all the family. They often wind up playing with the Amphetameanies, so 
maybe the Sinister crowd will be lucky enough to be able to check them out.

	That program was OK JJ, I quite liked it, although a bit too much emphasis 
on Sean "Stig of the Dump" Dickson perhaps. His contribution to the world 
of Scottish music hasn't been tremendously huge.

I was talking about that picnic thingy we had last April in the last 
message, and I figured why don't we have another one? Why not indeed, and 
in fact, why don't we make it a bit before the Bowliefest. Anyone up for 
that?

Cheers,
  Keith.

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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Sun Feb 28 02:48:24 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:48:24 EST
Subject: Sinister: Let's all give Dave's mum a hand, shall we?
Message-ID: <e0a2a7ee.36d8ae78@aol.com>

Well, I for one am very glad that the Sinister Nation is back in action. I
feel like I should go pop open a bottle of champagne or something.. I did feel
lost without this online list, Honey, and I'm very glad that it's up and
running.

          Now: a question for the group. I'm making a tape for my mother, as
she's heard some Belle and Sebastian playing in my room and liked it a lot.
I'm going to put five songs or so, plus some Nick Drake, and some classical.
The question is this.... what Belle and Sebastian songs are the ideal ones to
introduce someone to the sound we all know and love? Yes yes, they all are
good. I know. But a brief smattering of tunes will be easier for my dear mum
to process, and if it's kept short she'll be able to learn the lyrics sooner,
and improvise a little dance to go with it....
        So, I toss the gauntlet to you, my sinister friends. What five tunes
are the edge of the deep pool of music that is Belle And Sebastian? Not
necessarily the "best" tunes, or your favorite tunes. I just want to find five
songs that will show the scope, the spectrum, the many hued rainbow of delight
we lovingly call B &S.....
            let me know..........

                        my mum thanks you in advance.

              love,
                     dave
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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Sun Feb 28 03:06:31 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:06:31 EST
Subject: Sinister: Let's all give Dave's mum a hand, shall we?(round two)
Message-ID: <b884e44.36d8b2b7@aol.com>

            here's what my friends have to say..
<<<I am a mum too and would be interested in the picks of the list
Pattie

i think that "dirty dream #2" always draws people to belle and sebastian...

:)
megan elise>>>


hopefully the choices will be posted to the list.. so far Megan Elise kindly
suggested Dirty Dream #2.. I like this a lot too, so it may be there..
however! The "Dirty Dream" aspect of it may cause my mother nightmares.. so. 

                dave
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From Mew817 at xxx.com  Sun Feb 28 03:02:27 1999
From: Mew817 at xxx.com (Mew817 at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:02:27 EST
Subject: Sinister: Brits on TV in the States
Message-ID: <cf1f795e.36d8b1c3@aol.com>

Hi everyone!!  

It's so nice to have sinister back and running.

Someone had posted that the Brits would be televised in the States on ABC so I
did some research.  They will be on Saturday, March 6 from 11:30pm-1:00am ET.
I've checked the ABC web page, you can go here to see it:
http://abc.go.com/primetime/specials/index.html

I'm very very excited about this!!!  Set your VCRs!!  

I thought of all of you on Monday because we had our first snow of the pseudo-
winter here in Atlanta, GA.  It was so pretty driving to work, seeing
beautiful white snow on all the trees and grass.  I even played fox in the
snow as I was driving (silly, I know)  I didn't see any foxes though, just
some big, black crows.  Crows in the snow just does not have the same ring to
it....  ;)  Of course it all melted by the afternoon and it was 70F here
today!  

I hope you all have a great time at the Bowlie weekender, I'm so jealous that
I can't go!  It would be so cool to meet those of you that will be there.  I
just don't have the money right now and started a new job, so I'm stuck here.
I hope you all will report back to us!  I don't even have to ask you that
though!

Thanks Honey for all of your hard work getting the new list together!

mew x
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From Snowinsumr at xxx.com  Sun Feb 28 03:45:49 1999
From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:45:49 EST
Subject: Sinister: "...the way she puts her fingers in her mouth..."
Message-ID: <579d925f.36d8bbed@aol.com>

dearest "lost and terribly scared" diary...

my kitten has torn down the curtains over every window...spilled a glass of
milk all over mum's magazine...we're having a busy night...so when i try to
lecture him on the fine art of being pleasant he stares me down with his
greeny-brown kitten eyes and i have to give him kisses and
snackies...:::sigh:::...
anyway...i am terribly excited as i am going to see smog in march and i think
that is something to be rather excited about...and the new hal hartley film is
coming out in april...which will, in every way, please the masses...good lord,
there goes a pile of smiths cd's...time to go and have a talk with the
minature cat...morrissey is not someone you knock around...

kisses,
m. elise
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From hynesdj at xxx.ie  Sun Feb 28 10:08:59 1999
From: hynesdj at xxx.ie (Declan and Noren Hynes)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 10:08:59 -0000
Subject: Sinister: ... so happy I....
Message-ID: <01BE6302.78DBAEA0.hynesdj@iol.ie>

bit my tongue. Yes, 'tis sad but true. The other day while casually 
browsing the nme.com site i saw the headline "Belle And Sebatian to play 
Ireland" or something of the like. i was instantly shuspicious being the 
cynic that i am (lie). so i double clicked on the headline and held my 
breath, for a very long time as it turns out; the site became suddenly slow 
and uncooperative, as is always the case in moments of importance. Then the 
file came up and i think my soul actually floated. The gig is far enough 
away from my june exams for me to go, and it's a venue i've met many bands 
before at. so i came to ponder, are b&s approachable?
 i also came to bite my tongue with excitement and have suffered ever 
since. but's it's worth it in the name of our Caledonian friends. I was 
quite depressed about not going to Camber Sands, it sounds like a little 
piece of paradise, and i hope everyone who goes appreciates it.
 as far as the new improved sinister goes, i'm still rubbing my eyes after 
the shock of it's pure sparkliness. may it continue to shine in the face of 
dull text and listless lines.
this is only my third post ever, but i was so moved by honeys efforts, i 
kicked the crutches... i mean decided to throw in my tuppence worth.
ooohhh, the wind outside is reminding me that i'm only a quivering mass of 
cells in the face of nature. a big sweeping gust of wind reminds me i'm 
alive. so, try run out in a storm near you, it's exhilirating (i take no 
responsibility for persons injured or lost in this activity).
 slan
.... "may the seed of your loin be fruitful in the belly of your woman"
love finn

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From bfundak at xxx.edu  Sun Feb 28 12:26:22 1999
From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 07:26:22 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Self-indulgence
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990228072622.008634e0@mail.bgsu.edu>


I think this is relevant due to the fact that Belle and Sebastian is
releasing a fourth album in four years as well as two side projects.  How
much is too much?  Is a new album, a re-release, an ep and two side
projects too self indulgent or just productive?  Is a double album self
indulgent?  If so what does that make Stephen Merritt's 3 disc "69 Love
Songs" due out in june?  Am I wrong for wanting to buy it?

Help, please.

Brandt

oh, yeah glad to be back.

Looking for a new sig.  Not clever enough to think of or remember a good
one. Sorry.
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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Sun Feb 28 11:50:39 1999
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (skg21 at xxx.uk)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:50:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: He's back, he's back in denim
Message-ID: <1110038.3129195039@q7300-03.quns.cam.ac.uk>

Who'd have thought it? B&S the subject of a phone poll in the Sun
newspaper? The world is going mad... They're all over the music press this
week as well, including a particularly good write-up for the Jeepster
website in the NME ("If only all band websites were as good as this").
Today the world, tomorrow Camber Sands...

Of course, this leads us Sherlock-Holmes-style to the true reason that
Sinister has been about as active for the last week as a hungover sloth on
a Sunday morning. Pete Waterman was so annoyed that Steps didn't win the
Brit award (which was an integral part of his marketing plan for the next
couple of months), that he decided to make sure the same thing didn't
happen again. So seeing that most of B&S's votes came from the internet, he
decided to sabotage this list in an attempt to dismantle the web-based
fanbase. Luckily for us all, SuperHoney foiled his dastardly plan, and the
MajorDomestos list will live forever!

Mr Waterman was last seen slinking off home mumbling "I'd have got away
with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids".



--On Sun, Feb 28, 1999 0:01 +0000 "Fluffy Sarah"
<sarah at elsato97.demon.co.uk> wrote: 

> So! Sinister is back! SINISTER IS! THE ONE AND ONLYYYY! la la lallalalaa
> lalalaaaaa....what is that song? Its a bad song, but I feel t'is apt. Oh
> MY what is it! This will bug me...

That'll be number one single "I Am The One And Only" by the mighty Chesney
Hawkes (1989 or there-abouts), as produced by Nick Kershaw. The ultimate
one-hit-wonder, his next couple of songs flopped so badly that he got
dropped. Apparently he's still writing music in New York, but without much
success. It's really quite sad that I know all that, isn't it?


And Keith wrote:

> I was talking about that picnic thingy we had last April in the last 
> message, and I figured why don't we have another one? Why not indeed, and

> in fact, why don't we make it a bit before the Bowliefest. Anyone up for 
> that?

How about Easter Monday? If everything goes according to plan (which would
admittedly be unusual in my life at the moment) I'll be camping / hiking in
Scotland that weekend, so I'd have to come back via Glasgow / Edinburgh...



Speaking of the Bowliefest, and the fact that I'm otherwise engaged that
weekend, I must say I could do with a pre-exam break anyway - who's going
over to the Dublin gig the week after? And does anyone fancy providing a
floor or something to sleep on for a night or two?


Big Stu


PS Hefner gospel session on John Peel this Wednesday...
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From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com  Sun Feb 28 15:20:16 1999
From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 10:20:16 EST
Subject: Sinister: release date for Tigermilk reissue?
Message-ID: <51b531d1.36d95eb0@aol.com>

In the new issue of ICE (compact disc magazine about new releases) they
mention a U.K. import of a remastered Tigermilk to be released.  Is there a
release date yet from Jeepster for the reissue?

Pete G.
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From travelling_light at xxx.com  Sun Feb 28 14:45:43 1999
From: travelling_light at xxx.com (Kin Woo)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 06:45:43 PST
Subject: Sinister: Kin returns to his beloved list!
Message-ID: <19990228144544.5758.qmail@hotmail.com>

HeellOOO sinisterines!!!
It's moi! Kin Woo, writer of so many off-the-topic postings just 
returned from an exhausting 18 hour-in-total flight from a most magical 
and WONDROUS time in gorgeous London!!!:)
And congratulations are definitely in order for the band we all love, 
Belle and Sebastian!!! (in one tacky paper, the Sun I think, they showed 
a pic of Richard and the caption was "Belle, there with pal Sebastian" 
how clueless is that???) I couldn't believe it when I saw them win the 
Best Newcomer award at the Brits, and for one surreal and dreamy moment, 
I thought the whole gang would be there. But sadly they weren't but it 
was wonderful enough. Yay yay YAY! 
Am soooo sad I missed the Sinister List social at the Poetry Caf�. 
Listees I would have loved to go but I had just arrived about two days 
before and was very jetlagged. Hefner would have been so good to see!!! 
Am also a bit disappointed I couldn't catch any gigs when I was in 
London cos I either missed 'em (like Bonnie Prince Billy, Sing Sing) and 
also there didn't seem to be many good ones on at that time.
Guess what listees? I met Ewan McGregor!!! I went to see his play 
"Little Malcolm" (which is highly brilliant, go see it if you can- 
that's an order!) I didn't score anything when I went after the 
performance but when I went again another time BEFORE the performance I 
met him! And got an autograph and photograph to boot!!! How great is 
that??? Also spotted Jude Law, Christina Ricci (methinks) and brother 
spotted Gruff from Super Furry Animals:) that's just so cool! Wish I was 
rich enough to have gone to see the Vagina Monologues which had such an 
amazing cast (Cate Blanchett, Kate Winslet, Gillian Anderson, Melanie 
Griffiths, Sophie Dahl among so many others) but the tickets were so 
expensive. Did any listee go? Was it any good?
I had such a marvellous time shopping in London that I get so depressed 
thinking about having to go out shopping here in Perth. I'm not buying 
any more clothes here for a long time:) You London listees have the best 
shops! Like Urban Outfitters, Carhartt, Offspring and so many others. 
Wish I could have gone to Browns Focus but probably couldn't have 
afforded anything there anyway. Record shopping was UNBELIEVABLE!!! I've 
never bought so many limited edition and rare promos etc in my life. God 
I love the Music and Video Exchange!!!:)
Wow a great time I had, I saw snow for the first magical time and err 
even had a bomb scare at the Tate Gallery!!! This trip had it all!
Well what's been going on since I left you dearies? What topics 
currently grab your minds? What goss have I missed? I need to know! 
Speaking of which, has Philippe left-France-to-go-to-America Garnier 
contacted the list yet with his new address??? Philippe if you're out 
there, please contact me, I STILL haven't received your lovely tapes you 
made for me yet:(
seeya luvvies


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From karastar at xxx.com  Sun Feb 28 15:45:42 1999
From: karastar at xxx.com (Kara  Baer)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:45:42 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Me and the General
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Hi Everyone!  I'm so glad the list is back up! I missed you all...  I've been on the list almost a year, although I rarely post.  For the last week, with no outlet, I felt the need to share my story with everyone.  Heartbreak, embaressment, drunkeness..it's all here.  
I'm an American studying in Glasgow.  I've been here a couple of weeks, now.  I went to the Evie Sands show. Last Saturday night I went to the Art School to hear Chris DJ.  The music was great! and I was hyped up on tea and beer.  That was when I decided it would be a  great idea to introduce myself to all the members of Belle & Sebastian I could see.  (3 of the 8)  I went up to Dic..N..er Mick, who was very nice--he shook my hand , and I congratulated him on the Brit Award.  I tried to talk to Isobel, but she just sort of looked at me oddly.  I guess not everyone likes to be accosted by fans on the dance floor.  FInally, after a bit of following him around, I managed to talk to Stu M!  I complimented him on his bass solo at the Evie show, and made a bunch of other innane conversation.  It was all good, though.
Afterwards, I got all faint and David--where the heartbreak bit comes in--had to hold me up.  All in all, it was pretty exciting. Sure, I made an ass of myself, but when will I ever get the chance to do so in front of Stuart again?
(I think I saw him at the RL Burnside show on Wednesday--I went with the General, my friend Anne's boyfriend, he carries around an Admiral Ackbar action figure--but I didn't bother him.  "Once is a fan; twice a freak; and 3 times a stalker." I feel no need to join 200 motels.)  
Now, I've got my ticket to the Bowlie Weekend, a crush on David--who I haven't seen since--and plans to go to the Looper show!
He wanted me to do the Black Sessions for him--David, that is--so I did, with some yummy japenese pop on the B-side.  
What to do?  He's the boy in the Study at Stow T-shirt.

Love Kara
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From lonelyhighway at xxx.com  Sun Feb 28 16:34:30 1999
From: lonelyhighway at xxx.com (Corpora Arenacea)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:34:30 PST
Subject: Sinister: love me like a reptile
Message-ID: <19990228163431.3431.qmail@hotmail.com>

Heh heh. Motorhead rocks. I once fell head over heels in love with a 
girl because she actually knew every word to the song "Motorhead"...
Oh, and she would drive around in the dead of winter in a jeep with no 
top, and no windshield, wearing goggles and blasting Motorhead at top 
volume. She was a real sweetums, too. She taught me to shoot guns. I 
think that was our first date.

I met Lemmy once. He looked like he had three noses. I actually kicked 
my friend Dina's ass out of bed so we could meet him at 9 a.m. at 
Lincoln Center. It was a meeting of unfortunate college-radio types who 
look exactly like people attending Belle and Sebastian 
shows.

And Lemmy shares my view of indie wear! To wit:

"This must be the ugly crowd!"

He then proceeded to berate us for not buying any of his albums since 
"Ace of Spades". Mind you, everyone in that crowd was about five years 
old when "Ace of Spades" came out. And that, in sum, was his 'keynote' 
speech!

Wish I had golden sinister stories to rehash.

                                        -Eran


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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Sun Feb 28 16:01:36 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:01:36 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Subjects, subjects, subjects....
Message-ID: <199902281555.PAA05570@mailhub.solent.ac.uk>

	Isn't it nice to be back? Let's all give Honey a big hug for 
getting us all back together again. I had to get my fix on the CU 
list, excrutiatingly on-topic, and the NME Angst board, which the 
band I manage (in the 'act as a scapegoat and get in the way' 
sense) insist on desecrating every few days, to the irritation of the 
natives. Which is sometimes entertaining, but more than a little 
tedious.
	The point of this message, if it has one, is that I phoned 
home (well, not home exactly, I suppose this is home now, yeah, 
anyway) the other day and spoke to my sister, the one who loves 
"seeing other people" but (thankfully?) doesn't know what it's 
about, and apparently our B&S have suddenly become incredibly 
famous in her school, not that anyone has heard them, but it was 
apparently the talking point amongst her steps-loving (13 & 14 year-
old) friends for days, along the lines of "Who the fuck are..." So 
they appear to have gained fame amongst the youth of Worcester, 
and surely when "Loneliness Of The Middle-Distance Runner" or 
"Lord Anthony" or whatever the title track of the next ep will be is 
released, B&S will be up there on Top Of The Pops!!!! Yeah!
	Talking of which, I bought a CD of both Rezillos albums the 
other day - yeah, another great band from scottish history. No 
influence on B&S at all I presume, except in a really roundabout 
way perhaps, but very reccomended anyway. Isn't new-wave-girl-
punk type stuff great? Got a bow wow wow album too, with 'go wild 
in the country' on it.
	Nothing much else to say really, as recounting the 'LLPJ' 
based moment in 'Rhino's' last wednesday is near impossible,

	hey, it's good to be back,

						weejay xxxxxxxx

"Weej! Shut Up!" - everybody, all the time.
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From kschaffe at xxx.Edu  Sun Feb 28 17:02:50 1999
From: kschaffe at xxx.Edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:02:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: Self-indulgence
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990228072622.008634e0@mail.bgsu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.990228105912.3010B-100000@tucc7.tucc.trinity.edu>

On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Brandt S. Fundak wrote:

> 
> I think this is relevant due to the fact that Belle and Sebastian is
> releasing a fourth album in four years as well as two side projects.  How
> much is too much?  Is a new album, a re-release, an ep and two side
> projects too self indulgent or just productive?  Is a double album self
> indulgent?  If so what does that make Stephen Merritt's 3 disc "69 Love
> Songs" due out in june?  Am I wrong for wanting to buy it?

  Well, seeing as how the Magnetic Fields haven't released any new 
material in a few years and a lot of the 69 songs are rumored to be 
terrifically short, I don't really see the 3 disc concept as 
self-indulgent.  Granted, they did put out a 7" last year, and they did 
rerelease two albums in January.  However, for those of us that already 
had HOLIDAY and THE HOUSE OF TOMORROW, we've been holding our breath 
since last summer for a new album...  and three discs?  Yum.

  I'm inclined to think that self-indulgent could be easily confused with 
gratuitously productive, but I'm just talking... 

  Kristen
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From kwl96 at xxx.edu  Sun Feb 28 18:55:02 1999
From: kwl96 at xxx.edu (azrael)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:55:02 -0500
Subject: Sinister: discussion lists
Message-ID: <v04020a01b2ff41588c60@[172.20.97.108]>

So what's this about a jeepster discussion list? i mean, can it really be
any better than sinister?

i really doubt that it's necessary. are any of you subbed to it?

-kerry
"everybody i know is falling apart."
	-the jesus and mary chain
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From jim.nisbet at xxx.com  Sun Feb 28 19:30:09 1999
From: jim.nisbet at xxx.com (Jim Nisbet)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:30:09 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Looper on Beat Patrol, BBC Radio Scotland 28/2 2000
Message-ID: <199902281931.MAA28513@turtle.esosoft.net>

Just a quick note to say that Looper will be on 'Beat Patrol' on 
Radio Scotland this evening (28/2).  The programme commences 
at 2000.

Jim

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From honey at xxx.net  Sun Feb 28 22:25:12 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:25:12 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: discussion lists
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On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, azrael wrote:

> So what's this about a jeepster discussion list? i mean, can it really be
> any better than sinister?
> i really doubt that it's necessary. are any of you subbed to it?

Good question and one I'm asking too - I knew nothing about it until
it appeared after sales boomed in the Brits aftermath, and Sinister
ran into trouble for a few days.  I was a bit surprised because I
made it clear that Sinister was coming back, and lo! here it is.

Of course any record company as a business decision may choose to set
up its own forum for its fanbase in the wake of an award, after such
a vivid demonstration of solidarity on the Net in the form of the
staggering support in the last two weeks from this list: the timing
is noticeable in that they've suddenly set up lists for 3 of their
bands.  Certainly any label, taking note of the strong dedication of
their band's fans, would want to consolidate that dedication under
it's own umbrella rather than leaving it on an independent list.  But
I've always thought of Sinister as more of a community of friends
than a fanbase.  So I'm tempted to repeat what's often been said
about new B&S WWW sites too: if they add something new for everyone,
then great, but if they simply cover ground already covered, they
split the online community needlessly and weaken it.

Since Sinister's birth one and a half years ago it's been a central
location for information about the band, people getting together,
competitions, sexual shenanigans, frolics and fun, and the occasional
post from the band too, and I hope an enjoyable and well-tended
garden of a mailing list.  I can't see anything but overlap,
confusion and cross-list repeated postings for us in this case, if we
split ourselves across an independent and a record company run list,
so I think this is more important to us all than it might at first
seem, as a communal decision of which way we want to go.  But that's
just my opinion :)

Anyway thanks to SO many people for mailing me about the new list -
I'm glad you seem to like it, and you all make me blush.  From my
side I'm very pleased it seems to be running well so far - the
archives will be back online very soon, I promise, and you can all go
and have a nice paddle.  Don't forget to take your patent Sinister
rubber ring and ducky.

honey xxx
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From Gpallis at xxx.uk  Fri Feb  5 13:01:09 1999
From: Gpallis at xxx.uk (Greg Pallis)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:01:09 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Disconsolate, the frantic man summons the spirits of Rzyi and Jymmera and weaves a mighty spell which turns Janet into a fish. 
Message-ID: <003c01be5107$9a43ad20$b93f01d5@oemcomputer>

And so, Mandelson had to go.

Here we go now, rockin' borders, chasing the velvet ruby across 27
timezones.

I've started thinking of myself as "The Boy G". This is Erica's fault.

Spent the weekend at my dad's, and did Further Maths coursework for eleven
solid hours. In the most disgusting room you can imagine, every surface
coated in cigarette ash (and I don't even smoke), food cartons covering the
floor. Some degree of yukkiness.

Then there was a tube strike this morning. I was going to take a bus into
school, but then in the morning I discovered what 36 hours in a smoke-filled
room with no fresh air does to one - a great red abomination on my forehead.
And, horror of horrors, on my left side too. No, there was no alternative
but to stay home, and claim the busses were too crowded to get on. I'd be a
good rude boy. Maybe. (weird and contextless memory from last Friday:
spitting out the whole rap to Skee Lo's "I Wish" in synchrony with Bomber
Jacket Kru member Pierre.). Also, my english teacher wants me to write for a
fanzine called "Shoreditch Twat", which is apparently a bitter hate-zine
against trendy Hoxton types. No, really. She's set Naomi Klein's "No Logo" -
the top anti-brand tract widely linked with the Seattle riots and written in
1998 - as our coursework book, too. The rest of the English teaching
department are furious about this, but they know where to stick their John
Dunne sonnets, as this is the single best thing ever, I'm thinking.

Did manage to grab the Number 31 to Cambden this morning though, and saw
inarguably the single most out of order thing ever: in a crowded bus, a
young man of about thirty is in a small space near a door. Another man,
fiftyish with a grey beard, requests that he "move up a bit" so that he can
get through. The young man, thinking he wishes to get off the bus, squeezes
up against the other passengers. The oldster simply walks into his space,
and stays there for the next three stops. Astonishing.

"Clusterfucking" is a great word, isn't it? So expressive, yet so
meaningless.

Yup.

I found my old Sonic the Hedgehog guidebook for Sonic 3, a game I have never
completed. The was one tiny bit in Carnival zone, where there was this bit
where you had to jump up a down on a platform to make it go up and down and
I simply couldn't do it. I must have spent the ten minutes in took to run
out of time something like fifteen times on that bit alone. The guide book
was quite magnificently unhelpful, although it did inform me that by
carnival zone you should have Super Sonic, whereas I never had more than
three chaos emeralds. Oh, wait, you don't care? You wish I'd go away? Oh,
right. Well, in that case...

Enough about me, lets talk about collectible card game, as were popular
circa 1997.

Anyone still play Netrunner? I always thought it was a very flawed game -
the Corp was clearly stronger unless the runner had a Mouse, in which case
the runner could really only be defeated by a good Tag 'Em and Bag 'Em deck.

Another thought, the Magic: The Gathering Computer game. It was great. But,
here is something you may also know, there were two sequels. The last and
best was called 'Duels of the Planeswalkers', and at least one person on
this list MUST have it, I'm sure. I cannot find it anywhere. I will trade so
much, so very very much for a cd copy/original cd of this game. It will be
worth your while, if merely helping a fellow sini out is insufficient.

The main way I differ from the twee faithful is that I really don't like
busses at all. I also suspect I may be getting carpal tunnels.

PJ Miller & Duncan said: "Hefner for Agriculture and Fisheries Ministery -
it's cool for cats!" but this is madness. Hefner, you will remember, Love
The Cities. How about the ministery of the Interior? Roxanne Shante, Mister
so-called PJ, is the obvious choice for Agriculture and Fisheries. So there.

What's that brittle cracking sound?
Greg.





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