From chris.jones at xxx.uk  Fri Jan  1 00:29:20 1999
From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:29:20 -0000
Subject: Sinister: HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Message-ID: <199901010030.AAA04341@freebsd.saqnet.co.uk>


chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk
http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm

Will this be the first message of 1999?
I posted it at 12:30.

Chris Jones.
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From juliesque at xxx.com  Fri Jan  1 01:39:45 1999
From: juliesque at xxx.com (Julie Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:39:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Hippity Hoppity New Year
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First off, it's always a bad plan to post to a mailing list when you
have a bad cold.  Dizziness does not usually a good message make. 
But, it's been a while
since I wrote anything and I wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Year.  

My address has changed see, cuz my New Year's resolution came true
early and I found a new job! No more dimly lit cubicles with no
windows for me! So this address is where to find me, these days.

I'm excited for tonight too, cuz I'm going to a party where my current
crush will be.  For some reason he aquired the nickname of John Denver
in my circle--not because he looks like him, but because he's blonde
and southern and has round wire-rim glasses. Cross your fingers for
me, all 800 of you!

B & S content:
Ok I'll admit it now, I didn't own 369 despite having some of the
sessions and all the other EP's. But my mom, bless her heart, gave it
to me for Christmas after finding it on Amazon.  Oh the internet!

OK. I'm going to take my temperature now.

Julie

P.S. Those of you involved in my tape tree, due to circumstances
beyond my control we'll have to postpone sending tapes on for another
week. Thank you for your patience.




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From jonlrich at xxx.edu  Fri Jan  1 05:11:43 1999
From: jonlrich at xxx.edu (Jonathan (Vanishing))
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:11:43 -0500
Subject: Sinister: HAPPY NEW YEAR!
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o.k. you yanks........1st post for the new years for the yanks....haha


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Jones <chris.jones at xxx.uk>
To: sinister at majordomo.net <sinister at majordomo.net>
Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 7:33 PM
Subject: Sinister: HAPPY NEW YEAR!
p.k.

>
>chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk
>http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm
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>Will this be the first message of 1999?
>I posted it at 12:30.
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From editor at xxx.uk  Fri Jan  1 12:38:33 1999
From: editor at xxx.uk (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 12:38:33 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk Instrumental or Felt cover? 
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Mick McMick wrote:
> 
> Well...
>         I wonder if that is the longest title to a post ever. Well, I have
> obtained a copy of the Tigermilk instrumental from a friend who wishes
> to be nameless. There are two versions I have of the so-called Tigermilk
> instrumental. One is just the song itself, which sounds remarkably like
> Felt playing a Felt song, so I am forced to wonder if it is a cover, or
> if it is even the band themselves at all. But the other version makes me
> think it is the band. Stuart David reads four Ink Polaroids overtop of a
> *very* quiet Tigermilk instrumental. 

sounds like someone trying to be funny with you, or just not being very
smart, i dunno... the track 'Tigermilk' hasn't surfaced anywhere as a
bonafide recording as far as i know, although there's live recordings
kicking around i'm sure. i'm sure the song you are actually referring to
is not a Felt cover, it just IS Felt. It's a song called 'A Preacher In
New England' and it was the flip side of the 'Penelope Tree' single.
That's the song that Stuart reads the Ink Polaroids over anyway... so if
the unadorned song is the same as that, then it is Felt and not B&S.
Sorry to dissappoint, but hell, isn't it a beautiful song? The duchess
and i were discussing Felt and The Go-Betweens last night strangely
enough, in the pub, as we drank too much Rioja and scoffed Tapas in
honour of Meester Miller. Later we danced to St Etienne. Which was nice.

keep the faith,
the duke

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From Tjonrr at xxx.com  Fri Jan  1 14:57:53 1999
From: Tjonrr at xxx.com (Tjonrr at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:57:53 EST
Subject: Sinister: rooney,yeah
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so i dont even know if my last post from a few days ago with the wickerman
gubbins went through or not because though i sent it i never got it back
through like normal so i was imaging a room full of censors intercepting it
and going aah! limited B+S content! non relevant information! and i was just
waiting for the black car to pull up outside with the...remember kids,
paranoia is just total awareness. then i read some of the off topic stuff that
was coming through and my delusions all seemed a bit, well, delusional. anyway
im not sending it again cause i forget what it said.

anyway i was listening to this album by rooney 'time on their hands' and i was
thinking how the whole album was like a metaphor for this whole sinister list
thing. its basically some guy describing photographs or rambling about what he
did that day over a backdrop of random noise of varying degrees of gibberish.
plus the whole thing had a sweaty bedroom ambience about it. draw you own
conclusions. none of this is meant as an insult to the list or the people on
it, it was quite nice really and it gave me a warm feeling in my belly as the
fist sun of the new year came up and i sat drinking irn bru and contemplating
the whole cosmic karma of the universe and the interconnectedness of
everything. it may sound like a load of pseudo hippy shite now, but at the
time it had me in a reverie for hours. reverie, thats a nice word. ive been
waiting for an opportunity to slip that word into a conversation for over a
year, since i first saw it on the 369 sleeve.anyway, all i wanted to say was
check out the rooney lp if you get a chance.

also there was something i wanted to rant about but ive written a lot already
and i know you gen-Xers have short attention spans so ill save it for another
day.
                            from tjohn
on my hifi- the new bitter springs album, its a grower like the last one.
on my video- prick up your ears taped off BBC2.
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From bp224996 at xxx.edu  Fri Jan  1 17:45:31 1999
From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 12:45:31 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk Instrumental or Felt cover?
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Hello,
	
duke of harringay wrote:
> sounds like someone trying to be funny with you, or just not being very
> smart, i dunno... the track 'Tigermilk' hasn't surfaced anywhere as a
> bonafide recording as far as i know, although there's live recordings
> kicking around i'm sure. i'm sure the song you are actually referring to
> is not a Felt cover, it just IS Felt.

	This was my sneaking suspicion as soon as I heard the song myself. It
was bolstered by the fact that a different friend of mine offered to
tape me a recording of them doing an Ink Polaroid over a Felt song ;) 
Oh well, one can hope...

> Sorry to dissappoint, but hell, isn't it a beautiful song?

	Indeed, it is. 

	Incidentally, to those people still interested in trading me stuff,
despite the fact that I don't have the *real* Tigermilk instrumental, I
now have a copy of the Black Sessions (unless someone backs out) and
please *please* don't send me bootleg lists of other bands (unless the
other band is the Field Mice). I'm not obsessive about bootlegs or other
bands enough to collect any by bands other than B&S or the Field Mice,
and I hate telling people no... Also, people have offered to send me
cassettes or money, and I can't do these because I'd be making way too
many tapes if I did, and I'm just too lazy for that. It's not as if I'm
the only one who has these songs, anyway. No one's offered me any sexual
favors, though...yet.
	I am flustered, however, that I went and made myself a B&S tape before
I got this recent cassette. Now it looks so incomplete without an Ink
Polaroid, and there's a bit in the Amsterdam Session where Stevie
introduces each member of the band by name, and that would have fit so
perfectly onto the beginning of the tape. (sigh). Oh well, I hope David
& Katrina get back soon to give us some news on the next EP and upcoming
Tigermilk reissue...*crosses fingers* 
 
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From asbuch at xxx.edu  Fri Jan  1 18:26:22 1999
From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:26:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: My new years resolutions
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990101121557.15659A-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>


1. To observe all sinster rules

2. To keep a low profile at work and get along with everyone, even those
who fart in public

3. To not complain when my fiance announces he is going away for a week

4. To arrive everywhere on time

5. To read Java whenever I am on the bus

6. No more than three drinks at a time

7. No coffee on Thursday or Sunday

8. No more clothes made in China or Mexico

9. I will get rid of all lipstick that does not look good on me

10. I will update my web site once a week.


HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop

Heather Marie Propes   asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu       



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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Fri Jan  1 19:41:49 1999
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (Megan)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:41:49 +0300
Subject: Sinister: we'll follow the old man where ever he wants to go
Message-ID: <003301be35c0$425df780$ba4202c3@lehard>


yup, we're watching white christmas right now.  i love this movie, can't
help it.  it's one of those movies that is terribly special to your family,
if only because its loved by all of you (and few things are).  gee i'm
mushy.  though it's probably  because i'm going to be leaving soon for the
next five months and can afford to be generous.  ;)  that reminds me, i need
to get a job.  does anyone in new york want to hire me?  i don't fart in the
office and i have nicely manacured nails, well, they're short and polished
except at finals time when they're usually all chipped and stuff.  and um...
i worked at cinnabon.  sadly i'm rather lacking in qualifications.  i worked
at mute, and janine can vouch for my fine work skills.  plus if there's a
group stereo, i'm always willing to listen to belle and sebastian and can
vote with you for them.  do you ever wonder if what you write will be looked
at years later?  like i'll be running for president and someone will look
through honey's archive and immeditely pull up that i was quoted as saying
that northy's a poohead or something, and with my luck he'll be prime
minister and it would cause an international scandal and launch a war
between the us and uk, only ireland and scotland won't be part of it anymore
(well, most of ireland isn't anyway) so they could sit and laugh.  wankers.
i saw sliding doors today and they said "shag" and "wanker" a lot which i
enjoyed.  a couple poofs and i would have been in heaven.

i don't make new year's resolutions because if you're just making a decision
based on needing something for a particular day, it won't work out anyway.
at least not for me.  perhaps i should attempt to have more factual basis in
my writing.  that, however, may be an act of god.  and with so much else to
do, i doubt he or she would bother with something like that.  i don't think
this email is so much stream of conciousness asis simply babbling.  yet i'm
lacking for human contact right now, my family members are even odder than
me so i get little help in attaining sanity, or sensibleness from them.

er... so anyway... it's really hard to come up with belle and sebastian
content when they aren't really doing anything right now.  or at least,
nothing has come out since tjamosltheoajhdk ep.  not that i'm doing anything
either, that's what vacations are for.  but it just makes saying anything
new difficult.  and as i'm bored, i can't be expected not to abuse the list
scandalously for my own purposes.  hmm, i seem to feel the need to
rationalize every time i write.  this is like keeping a journal, and about
as interesting.  sorry.

ok, something exciting.  i'm tired.  bed time!!!

xox
megan

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From CincyPunkKid at xxx.net  Fri Jan  1 20:01:11 1999
From: CincyPunkKid at xxx.net (Matt Ayers)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:01:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk, The Black Sessions and other gems
In-Reply-To: "Megan" <mkl206@is8.nyu.edu>'s message of Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:41:49 +0300
Message-ID: <24692-368D2987-1045@mailtod-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net>


Hello and how are all of you. I'm new tot his list and it's my first
post. I have to say it's like a family here and i really like that.  I
recently bought Boy With The Arab Strap, due to a friend constantly
raving about B&S. Needless to say, I FELL IN LOVE! I haven't stopped
playing it all week. I just ordered all their other stuff thats availble
from their web site. I was seeing if someone could tape me (analogue
tape, like the FAQ sya) Tigermilk, The Black Sessions (could someone
please explain exactly what that is, i'm kinda in the dark on it) and
are their any other lost B&S gems that have popped up? Also is their
anyone with any of the radio sessions that they'd be willing to tape?
Well sorry if this is illegal or something. I just wanted to see what
i could find on my new love, Belle and Sebastian. Please respond if you
own any of these "releases"

Matt

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From alix.campbell at xxx.net  Fri Jan  1 20:07:12 1999
From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:07:12 -0000
Subject: Sinister: oh fuck
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HAPPY NEW YEAR, pooheads

this is actually a thinly veiled appeal to anyone who may have seen me last
night, could they get in touch please? i need some light shed, because i've
got no idea what i was doing, and this is scaring me greatly. all i remember
is lots of vodka at a friends house - then it's very hazy - then i'm
staggering down a road in town, i think in an attempt to walk the 5 miles
home - then i recall being in a shrubbery, trying to go asleep under a bush,
the
sick and earth on my coat suggests that i was present when someone vommed
and i suspect that the person was me - then a
japanese lady is talking to me about her divorced husband - then an english
woman, asking me if i've
taken any drugs - then i'm in a car - then i'm at home. i don't know how any
of this happened, or how much i imagined. i've talked to a friend who was
there, who says i left the pub and went home. but i didn't know i was in a
pub. help me, this is the worst new years i've had yet. apparently i did the
riverdance too.
so if anyone can suggest what i might have been doing, i
know you can't *actually * know, but maybe some suggestions....?

b&s monopoly, or 'belleopoly' to give it it's proper name, this, naturally
is a superb idea, and we are going to make it a lovely reality. i only have
one new years resolution (aside from the obvious - 'i'm never going to drink
again' resolution), and this is to make this. i'm not sure how one makes
board games though. i did make a card game once for toddlers, for a gcse
project, so i expect that'll be handy. i think there is a even a chance for
things to be laminated, and i do so love laminated things.

i feel rough, goodnight
love
alix

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"No, Patrick," Luis says. "They were . . . broiled"
It's silent in the boardroom as I comtemplate this, thinking it through
before asking, finally,
"What's 'broiled,' Luis?"
"I'm not sure," he says. "I think it involves . . . a pan"





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From DavidJ2502 at xxx.com  Fri Jan  1 21:09:55 1999
From: DavidJ2502 at xxx.com (DavidJ2502 at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:09:55 EST
Subject: Sinister: In defense of Pastelism
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Hello. This is my first posting, so please be nice.

I've just read the new Melody Maker readers poll results. Not one mention of
B&S anywhere! I was shocked and apalled and shocked again. This is usually the
bit where everyone goes "awards dont matter anyway" and for the first time in
a while I'm in agreement. Voting Cerys Matthews sexiest woman is such an
injustice it hurts. I suggest before next year's poll we should round up
anyone wearing a Manics t-shirt and lock them in a cellar (present company
excepted) then set things straight. Maybe.

Anyway, to change the subject a bit, it seems that everyone has sprung to the
defense of Tindersticks (remember that? cast your minds back...) but no-one
has said anything nice about The Pastels, so here I go... ahem.

Evan Katz wrote:
>I agree with whoever said they all sounded the same and weren't anything
special.

How can anyone say that The Pastels' songs all sound the same? I will admit
that there isn't a great deal of difference in their songs, but if it aint
broke...
The Pastels have made some of the most downright fantastic music of the last
10 years. They have been one of the most influential bands of the 80s and 90s
(where would B&S be without them?) and have set the tone for much of the
"indie" music that we know and love. 
I suggest that anyone wanting a good introduction to The Pastels should buy
"Mobile Safari" and "Truckload of Trouble" (the singles & other stuff
compilation) at the same time. Start with "Yoga".

As for the remix album, whatever next? Perhaps we will have multi-format CD
singles, albums produced by William Orbit, the long awaited collaboration with
Robbie Williams, maybe even a single in the charts. You may scoff at their bid
to "make it big" but Aggi will have the last laugh when she is sitting beside
a pool in LA with Phil Collins as Todd Terry remixes the B-Side of the new
single "Oh Baby (yo' Sweaty Body '99)." Mark my words.


David J.
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Fri Jan  1 19:10:06 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:10:06 +0000
Subject: Sinister: sly is a fox and as tricky is he!
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Hiya you lot!

Happy new year and all that. I'm startnig this post before I head off to
work in about 15 mins or so....but I'm also munching my way through what
Quality Street is left so I'll send it when I get back home, and Gary is
going to make me my lunch. Working in the kitchens new years day eh?

Douglas Coupland - wrote Polaroids from the Dead - someone ask Stu D if
he nicked the idea after reading that book. Am I one of the only ones to
have read this book cos no-ones been mentioning it. I've not read his
other stuff cos it's suposed to be and probably is over-hyped "we'regene
rationxandboyisn'tithardbutidothinkofclevernewwordslikemicroserfssoiamhi
p" anyway.........

Denim! Hehehehe! I'm just listening to Novelty Rock....and sorry to
titter duke, but one of the funniest things about this is trying to
imagine your face upon hearing Denim for the first time.... on a Chicory
Tip *is* blooody annoyingly catchy though....and it sounds nothing like
THE BOY WITH THE ARAB STRAP! CUT it out for mary mungo and midges
sake...why did I say that I have never watched it in my life, oh well.

Perhaps I am trying to type in the same trendy and ironic styles of many
hipsters upon this list. Like Tag, and Peter Miller, and Lesley Jo.
Wahahahahahhaa yeah right! It's a kind of........trendy
undtrendiness.... mmm nice. 

There weren't any green triangles in my quality street. Unfair!!!!! MMM
but this fruit of the forest is lovely mm cheers cheers!

jj heldman! nice to see that poundsign got nominated in the indiepop
polls! even though, I can't remember what they sound like now, cos i
only heard them once, in a car, on the way, somewhere.

I hate Robbie Williams, with his fucking MILLENUIM! Not that it keeps
getting stuck in my head or anything like. Mrs Murdoch, do you like
Robbie? Who's best, B*witched, or Robbie. Or Tura Setana?
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Fluffy Candarel

Ding dong the witch is dead!
http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk
It's mostly about *melys*
Sign my guestbook
And tell me how to get them little java script pop up things that unamerican.com
has cos i like them.
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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Fri Jan  1 22:18:34 1999
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:18:34 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Shopping Tips
Message-ID: <199901011718_MC2-6534-F6F4@compuserve.com>


Happy 1999, Cack Handed Ones,

Being the sad staying-in-type person that I am, I can report that our loved
ones got two tracks into John Peel's Festive 50. TWATTYB!U!S itself slid in
easily at No. 3, and Slap Your Cock Around peaked (too soon) at No. 26. 


News from the sales: chain record stores are currently good places to
collect B&S supposed influences: local Our Price knocking out all 3 Nick
Drake albums, Love's Alone Again Or & a Velvet Underground album for only
£6.99 each. Round the corner John "Minges" was giving away Dylan's Blonde
On Blonde for £4 (!)

Nothing to do with music I know, but all you Sid James fans (Struan, I hope
your mum is still letting you read these) can also pick up a boxed set of
all 20 Carry On filums for the bargain price of £99.99 in HMV. 


I have to concur with Señor Miller about the Gram Parsons GP/Grievous Angel
2 on 1 CD: anyone seeing this should buy it and open their ears to the joys
of being a rhinestoned shitkicker.


Oops, looks like me and my Mastercard are a boo(n) to the business world,

Regards,


David Moore
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From james at xxx.com  Fri Jan  1 23:19:43 1999
From: james at xxx.com (J Errington)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 23:19:43 -0000
Subject: Sinister: sorry.
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From belleandsebby at xxx.com  Sat Jan  2 00:53:41 1999
From: belleandsebby at xxx.com (Brian Q)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 16:53:41 PST
Subject: Sinister: videos?!?!
Message-ID: <19990102005342.12789.qmail@hotmail.com>



hey crazy kids, MERRY NEW YEAR (the best eddie murphy impressionn i 
could do, nevermind!). I was wondering if anyone also had any videos of 
belle and sebastians for a trade or whatnots! I got "wicked Not..." 
besides that im screwed, just wondering if any are out there! thanks!
   brian!

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From JennyK00 at xxx.com  Sat Jan  2 07:33:34 1999
From: JennyK00 at xxx.com (JennyK00 at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 02:33:34 EST
Subject: Sinister: hello to the lot of you
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hey there kids, i am a new one to the list. i waited about a week before
posting, cause i remember reading several days ago that someone suggested
that. but you kids didnt scare me away.  i must say, you all have amused me by
your silly stories and wonderful dreams of belle and sebastian. i have enjoyed
reading these emails better than those i have gotten from any other mailing
list i have been on. 
to the gal that mentioned the ocean blue...it is so nice to hear of someone
else who likes them. cerulean is a very good album, i have treasured it for
many years. i thought for the longest time that those boys were brits...come
to find out that they are from west virginia or something. oh well, they are
still wonderful.
i too saw sliding doors recently, i found myself saying 'wanker,' and
'bollucks,' and 'daft' for days. why cant we use such splendid words like
those here in the states more often?  i called someone at work a wanker and i
got laughed at. 
i hope everyone had a good safe new year. i, like some of you i am sure, got
completely wasted off way too much champagne. but luckily there was no
hangover waiting for me in the morning. 
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From trug88 at xxx.com  Sat Jan  2 11:47:36 1999
From: trug88 at xxx.com (k h)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 03:47:36 PST
Subject: Sinister: magnetic poetry
Message-ID: <19990102114736.21823.qmail@hotmail.com>


if you want save the poetry as a .gif file, you should press the print 
screen button which will copy it to the clipboard... so all you have to 
do is go into an image editor, like windows paint, then go to edit and 
hit Paste. 
or you can download a screen grabber, but the first is the easiest thing 
to do. 

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From editor at xxx.uk  Sat Jan  2 14:25:38 1999
From: editor at xxx.uk (duke of harringay)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 14:25:38 +0000
Subject: Sinister: In defense of Pastelism
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'hello, we're the pastels, and we're seminal.'

that was over ten years ago, and what's changed? they always told fibs.
actually the whole pastels story is weird as hell. i mean, who'd have
thought they'd still be around, still be making ostensibly the same
sounds and still meaning, well, something peculiar anyway. i can't say i
love the pastels, but i can't say i hate them either, they just seem to
me to be... THERE. they're influence has been large, it must be said, in
very strange and unobtrusive ways. their influence on the americas seems
to have been much bigger than it ever was allowed to be in the UK,
probably because there wasn't some stupid music journo antagonism, but
it's strange all the same. i agree with whoever said that it doesn't
matter that all their songs sound 'similar', because there's always been
a formula in the best Pop, from Motown to Stax to Felt. i have one
question though: whatever happened to Brian Superstar??

fluffy tittered on thinking how i looked when i first heard Denim. well
titter ye not, because when i first heard Denim i was all a quiver with
excitement, the reason being that the songs sounded fabulous. I get to
sound like a trainspotting twat now, but it was the demos for the first
LP i heard, and it was on the flip of a tape with the ditched Eno
produced Television LP, and man, it was a magical tape. i wigged out on
the tape for ages, telling everyone who came within earshot that Denim
were the thing to dig. Typically everyone laughed... i think too that
they WOULD have made it if it hadn't taken so bloody long for the record
to actually come out... the buzz was passed. Shame.

years later i was telling everyone within earshot that B&S were the
thing to dig... everyone laughed at me then too, but who's laughing now,
eh? Well, okay, everyone who was laughing then is still laughing cos
they're the kind of person who'd probably prefer the new Ace of BAse
record, if such a thing existed. But that's hardly the point.

i am glad that people are talking about Gram Parsons again. well, Mr
Moore was... although i suspect it was another ruse to simply mention
Meester Meeller again. on the subject of rhinestoned troubadours though,
can i just say two words: Richard Buckner. go on, you'll love him.
although he doesn't wear rhinestones to the best of my knowledge, he
does write the most magical songs you'll hear this side of a B&S or
Stephin Merritt record.

i was baffled at the lack of coverage given to B&S in the end of year
cultural reviews across the board... i guess this means they are in that
deadly hinterland between being the new cult darlings and being so
ubiquitous you end up hating them. i wonder which way they will swing?

nice to see Mrs Murdoch posting, although i think she needs to read the
FAQ.

keep the faith,

the duke




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From ctrips at xxx.net  Sat Jan  2 15:46:28 1999
From: ctrips at xxx.net (ctrips at xxx.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:46:28 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Radio 1
Message-ID: <005301be3667$102145e0$7b5678cc@fast.net>

This tidbit was posted by David Kitchen:
anyhow, before i go back to the beach, just to let UK fans know that on monday
night (two days time)radio 1 will be airing what is says is a belle and sebastian
showcase gig from paris, we believe that this is simply the french 'black' session
being aired in the uk for the first and follows last weeks playbacks of the
session in spain and italy. so get your tapes ready :)
 
Does anybody know if this session could be heard via the web.  I know many radio stations air live on the internet through broadcast.com but I was hoping to find if BBC Radio 1 does the same.  Sure would be nice to tune in from across the Atlantic.
Thanks,
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From agmuwv.044 at xxx.it  Sat Jan  2 15:52:20 1999
From: agmuwv.044 at xxx.it (Marco Braca)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 16:52:20 +0100
Subject: Sinister: first emotion
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Buongiorno sinisters ,
it's the second day of '99 and i'm feel very well ,
the air has a strange taste , no much people on the street ; the
majority of the souls must sleep off one's drunkeness .
I decide to stay at home this afternoon ,listening music, reading " husk
the dust" by John Fante and siping the big black .
Happy 1999 to all sinisters,
Marco#7.

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From evanbear at xxx.com  Sat Jan  2 17:30:21 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:30:21 -0500
Subject: Sinister: In defense/Buckner
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<<<on the subject of rhinestoned troubadours though,
can i just say two words: Richard Buckner. go on, you'll love him.
although he doesn't wear rhinestones to the best of my knowledge, he
does write the most magical songs you'll hear this side of a B&S or
Stephin Merritt record.>>>>


i second that
Richard Buckner is very cool
besides three amazing (i assume since is amazing since i havent gotten
around to picking it up yet) hes just a really nice guy who is a lot of
fun to talk to
i chatted with him after his show in Northampton USA at a nice lil club
where you can slip into the dressing room and greet people like dick
dale and bo diddly and the spinanes and of course richard buckner
we had a mutual acquaintance, she had only met him once and had given
him a book and he remembered and so i got to chill in the dressing room
like a big shot
i got to play with Bob Mould's dog too, his dog is scaaaaaaary, anyway
so i definitely reccomend him, some people might not like him on here,
the fluffier bouncier happier people
prolly if you think tindersticks are too intense you wont like him too
much
his voice is gorgeous in the dark scary depressing tindersticks/mark
eitzel style, though its not as low as the tindersticks guy so if just
the pitch annoys you you might like buckner
oh, on his second album, Devotion And Doubt (i love that title), his
backing band consist in part of Joey Burns and John Convertino of
Calexico and Giant Sand who people are prolly tired of me talking about
ummm....ok yeah check him out, good luck finding his first record, i
bought it right before it went out of print and some poopoohead at
school stole it from the computer lab, but didnt take the box so i have
the box and liner note sbut no cd grrrr i loved that record
supposedly its going to be reissued at some point but Rick had a history
of being dicked by record labels so who knows
thats all i think
----Ev
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From kmcguire at xxx.com  Sat Jan  2 20:24:53 1999
From: kmcguire at xxx.com (island of such great complexity)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:24:53 -0800
Subject: Sinister: he ain't wrong he's just different but his pride won't let him do things to make you think he's right.
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it's sunny and seventy-five. got back from london last night. feeling
jetlagged, unattractive and broke. it feels good though. yeah. spent a lot
of time sleeping in parks, talking to myself, walking and staring aimlessly.
all good things. i'm listening to willie nelson and family live. that's some
good fucked up shit. i still don't really have too much to say. ok, keep the
faith.

-kelly ryan mcguire


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From hynesdj at xxx.ie  Sat Jan  2 23:44:45 1999
From: hynesdj at xxx.ie (Declan and Noren Hynes)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:44:45 -0000
Subject: Sinister: is there a place for wistfulness?
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greetings,
   alix sounds like new years was a right laugh, i had much the same 
experience a few days before it, losing oneself for periods of time is very 
scary. i don't reccomend it. what if you never find yourself again?
   ohhhh, i'm glad someone brought up "the delegados". I only discovered 
them in the last few months, i don't have the *new* album, i have the 
penultimate one, but i wouldn't class it as folky at all, perhaps they 
changed dramatically in the inter-album-limbo. but i saw the belle and 
sebastian similarities immediatly, like stuart and co. with a bit of rocket 
fuel and more cultural references. i have heard one track off the new album 
though, one with the lines "living ideals, not living for real" (i'm 
terrible with names, bear with me) i loved it, as weejay says, it's dark 
tinkly folk music with boy/girl vocals.
did someone mention melys? i know they're welsh (as i am obsessed slightly 
with said country)
and that they're very gooooood, any major fans here?

another word i'd add onto weejays list of misunderstood words is: love

 my friend and i just discovered the treehouse site, wow. i think i'll buy 
me one of those books. that whole project seems to be totally on my 
wavelength, the incinuation (?!) of cuddly toy porn, and the spy photo's 
were classic, i love it!
 has anyone gotten 1999 diaries yet? does it have January 1st 2000 on them? 
is that in any way scary? all the zero's, like a not-quite-new beginning. 
damnit, i didn't mean to jump on the premillenium band wagon, but they're 
you go, i'm one big stereotype, i'll be the first to admit it.
  i'm going to get a mate to tape the paris gig from bbc radio, i only seem 
to be able to get that station in the morning and early afternoon, but my 
friend 3 miles down the road in dun laoighre can get it no hassle, am i 
therefore diseased or something? anyway, i'm looking forward to it, i have 
no live recordings of them, and i've never seen them live.
  one question before i go, has anyone heard of "teen anthems"?
i'm sorry this wasn't an enlightening post, but i'm not in a squeezy mood 
you know.
your humbly
finn

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From rudychee at xxx.Rehak  Sat Jan  2 23:05:13 1999
From: rudychee at xxx.Rehak (rudychee at xxx.Rehak)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:05:13 -0400
Subject: Sinister: hhhmmmm....what does this mean?
Message-ID: <19990102.190850.4358.0.rudychee@juno.com>


well, i just finished "the bell jar" for the first of many times, blew
out the candles, etc.  i hear my mum's listening to TIJAMRS
upstairs...anyway, i'm staying home this saturday night (i finally get an
excuse--being trapped in because of the ice and snow) with my little
brother who is continuously playing at the video games (i wish that my
life was full of that much excitement and amusement), my dog who will not
cease arf-ing. . .this boredom plagues me!!!  does anyone else ever get
productive fanatasies when the are really bored?  i dreamt today that i
would clean my room, make some cookies and cake, maybe sew a dress, start
a screenplay...hey, i made my bed, bathed and finished my book, i think
that that is enough.  my, my toes are cold.  

anyway, here is the point to all of my blather,  i received in the mail
today some silly membership info from a columbia house cd club.  i was
searching through the little stamp thingies as i was waiting for my slow
server to kick in, giggling at the footloose soundtrack (i just saw that
movie for the first time yesterday at my grandmum's), looking past the
usual jewel, sheryl crows, mariah careys's, etc.  when -oh my!- i see
TBWTAS and -my lord!- IYFS.  so my simple questions are:  when did this
happen? what does this mean?  they both had this little red arrow beside
them which means: highly recommended.  hmmmmm...  nevertheless, i'm going
to take those little stamps and place them someplace special.  but -my!-
i found this as a bit of a shock.  is this reaction as expected or am i
just being ignorant and talking from my bum?  

well, it's time for me to leave you all alone now.  
kiss! and good evening
KIMberly

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From jordi-tv at xxx.com  Sat Jan  2 23:29:41 1999
From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 00:29:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I need some help
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I have to make a piece of work about the similarities between the rock concerts and the religious ceremonies. I�m trying to center it in four or five bands which can be representative of different rock images, and I�m asking if there is any veteran sinisterite who has ever attended a gig  of Joy Division. If you did, please tell me how it was, how was their atmosphere. You can also send things about B&S if you like, but from them I have enough information obviously.I chose both of them (apart from Marilyn Manson and two more which have still to be decided) because they�re an example of indie bands with a staunch crowd behind them.
        If you can send anything, please do it to my another direction (you can also send them to that one, but I�d rather this):
 
                0291942a01 at abonados.cplus.es

Happy new year everybody
(excuse my english)

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From JennyK00 at xxx.com  Sun Jan  3 01:38:04 1999
From: JennyK00 at xxx.com (JennyK00 at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:38:04 EST
Subject: Sinister: speaking of the delgados...
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(i apologize if this has already been discussed in another post, i am slightly
new.)
being a huge wedding present fan, i recently got david gedge's new album with
his girlfriend as cinerama. there i found that emma pollock from the delgados
guest stars on one of the songs, a very beautiful song actually.  i highly
recommend this album..it is absolutely wonderful. i was suprised, it is a lot
softer than the music of the wedding present, but with gedgie's good pop
lyrics. they toured here in the states with belle and sebastian for several
shows, but unfortunately the closest show to my home was about 10 hours away.
i tried to talk my supervisor at work to let me have a couple days off so i
could drive up and see them both play together, but he wouldnt let me. the
bastard. 
***jenny***
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From rhendin at xxx.edu  Sun Jan  3 04:05:36 1999
From: rhendin at xxx.edu (Robert Alan Hendin)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:05:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian
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Greetings all.

I am new to the list and new to Belle and Sebastian. I fell in love with
the band as soon as the first notes of Boy with the Arab Strap came out of
my speakers. I have since picked up all of their rcordings, except of
course for Tigermilk. I am constantly amazed by the band. What a great
sound.
I just wanted to tell everyone out there how a new listener became a true
believer in no time at all.
I hope their music making continues well throughout the new year.

Rob
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From Tjonrr at xxx.com  Sun Jan  3 13:22:45 1999
From: Tjonrr at xxx.com (Tjonrr at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:22:45 EST
Subject: Sinister: pisspoor band information
Message-ID: <c6b1c787.368f6f25@aol.com>


if you like the cinerama song with emma pollock on it, theres an even better
one on the bside of the first single called 'love', also with emma pollock on
it.
the first delgados album is more punky than the second one, but everything
they have done is essential. did anyone notice that they skinned the
competition ALIVE for the festive 50.
melys i thought were overrated, though john peel seems to like them, and they
have a song that goes "and i knew there was something wrong cause he had
leonard cohen on" or something, which is pretty funny. once.
teen anthems did that song 'welsh bands suck' which was on the dial m for
merthyr fierce panda compilation (the only band they except from this rule is
helen love, which is also a pretty good comparison for what they sound like).
this was later released as a single, backed with 'i hate oasis', so. 
did i mention i was half welsh myself? something of a double blow as i also
live in a part of scotland notorious for sheepshaggers.
anyway, i hope this meagre information is of some use, if it was to just make
one small child happy at christmas etc. i will now wait for all of you far
more clever people to point out all the inaccuracies contained within, as
usual i bow to your superior knowledge.
                  from tjohn
"lisa and me, we will not dine,
 with white supremacists and nazi swine,
 and anyone who reads the times, they will burn in hell"
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From Mphintz at xxx.com  Sun Jan  3 12:44:26 1999
From: Mphintz at xxx.com (Mphintz at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 07:44:26 EST
Subject: Sinister: sweet riots
Message-ID: <5cc402f1.368f662a@aol.com>


I think Megan is trying to bait me with this statement; I tried to resist
replying, for, oh, five whole minutes, but I am weak.  

Megan wrote:  <<a couple poofs and i would have been in heaven.>>

Oh Megan, there are just too many ways to reply.  You have sent me on smart
comment overload.  I realize this was your entire plan from the beginning.    

Anyone else recall bombs that go POP!?  I was thinking of setting some to
battle the rise of cynicism, but what does one put in that sort of bomb?
Sarah singles would just become pieces of candy-coated shrapnel, and Pastel
badges have pins.  Lemon curd?  I was planning on sitting in the cafe with my
tea and chocolate watching these bearers of inspiration and soul being
exploded.  I suppose there are other means to this goal.  

As for DH Lawrence, he is one of my favorite comic novelists.  His despair and
hopelessness is hilarious, especially after writing the same "industrial world
bad, let's achieve new eden" themes over and over.  I like in _Women In Love_
the discussion about plant reproductive systems and ways of learning that goes
on before the class of little ones.  And who can forget the men wrestling
naked in front of the fire...   That said, his short stories are much better
because he is limited by their size.  James Joyce is hilarious too.  I used to
get odd looks in class when I mentioned how humorous these books are.  So
spurned by literature I had to turn to art history as a major.  

		Living and loving
		Matthew
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From bp224996 at xxx.edu  Sat Jan  2 18:24:07 1999
From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 13:24:07 -0500
Subject: Sinister: New Year's Day Was Better Than Christmas
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Hi List,
	First I must respond to one thing...	

JennyK00 at aol.com wrote:
> many years. i thought for the longest time that those boys were 
> brits...come to find out that they are from west virginia or 
> something.  

	Welcome to the list, Jenny, but I must point out that the Ocean Blue
are most certainly not from West Virginia. They are indeed from
Pennsylvania, as my friend who turned me onto B&S told me. There is *no
one* of any repute and quality from West Virginia. No wait, I think the
Soul Survivors were from Charleston. There, one band from the 60's. Well
I do feel a bit better. A friend of mine had a pretty good band when I
was in high school that I still occasionally listen to, but of course no
one's ever heard of them. Now I wish we could at least claim the Ocean
Blue...
	Well, I had a very swell New Year's. I went over to Latelle's, the
fellow in the ink polaroid I did a while back. We spent the evening
dubbing old records, including the Felt single with the song that Stuart
David read the Ink Polaroids overtop of ("A Preacher in New England," if
you missed the Duke's post) as well as their lovely "Sunlight Strings."
Last visit I had asked Latelle about the Field Mice, and he said he'd
never heard of them, though for a bit he thought I meant the "Deep
Freeze Mice" or something like that. Anyway, he realized he had heard of
them, and we discovered he had 3 of their singles, and both their
mini-albums.
	In fact, he had two copies of Snowball, and he was nice enough to sell
me one of them for $8, because I liked them so much. Needless to say I
was pleased, and still am. I taped a few other things (Mighty Mighty,
MBV circa 1987, the Wake) and then returned home a happy boy. 
	Now I was supposed to be returning to uni today, but snowy conditions
there now mean that I will be leaving tomorrow, the day before classes
start. I will be taking a black & white photography class which I am
excited about. I'm sure the words "How will I get her to strike a pose?"
will become a mantra to me, as I depress the shutter button on my
camera. Did you know there's a Japanese band named Photo Jenny? Yup,
it's true, and a friend was just saying how they were very good. I
wonder if he's right... It's a good name, though. I recall seeing their
name in the coolest of glossy mags, Beikoku Ongaku. If only I had gotten
a chance to study Japanese for more than a year, I could read it...(le
sigh).
	Well, I digress. This extra day of being at home will give me a chance
to organize my tape collection. Speaking of tapes, those of you who
wrote me about trading copies of things, if I haven't already written
you apologizing profusely and saying I can't do a trade, I will be
writing you soon and more than likely trading with you. If you haven't
written me yet, please don't, I don't think I can manage to make another
tape even if someone offered me the 24-song cassette-only release of the
Field Mice's demos...well maybe then. But in all other cases, I won't be
able to trade anyone else. Sorry about that...
	Right, well I've got all sorts of packing to work on, not to mention a
shower, so I'm going to have to give you all a little wavey and end this
e-mail right here.

I'M DEPARTING NOW FAREWELL!!!!!!

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From Ajbergs at xxx.com  Sun Jan  3 13:50:06 1999
From: Ajbergs at xxx.com (Ajbergs at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:50:06 EST
Subject: Sinister: "Top of the Mops"
Message-ID: <c359994b.368f758e@aol.com>


This tidbit comes to you courtesy of this month's issue of Select magazine:

The Scottish version of News of the World struck a blow for investigative
journalism when they pursued 'trendy celebs' Belle & Sebastian to their secret
lair. It turns out that mainman Stuart Murdoch and drummer Richard Colburn
lead Hong Kong Phooey-like double lives as lowly janitors in Hyndland Parish
Church in Glasgow.

"The guys help set up the chairs and tables and make sure the place is all
neat and tidy," said an 'unnamed band spokesman' of the duo's duties, which
include opening the hall for coffee mornings for the elderly and mother-and-
baby groups. "They love it!" he added. The good old NOTW even added some
amusing parodies of songs the reclusive Scots could cover: "What about '(Broom
Broom) Shake the Room' and 'Detergent Pepper?'"

Speaking of tidying, I am off to hoover my flat now.

au reservoir,
Swannie 
--------------------------------

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From andygoz at xxx.net  Sun Jan  3 14:48:44 1999
From: andygoz at xxx.net (Dandy Gozpop)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:48:44 -0000
Subject: Sinister: New Year Greetings and some stuff
Message-ID: <000401be3728$297f9840$0544883e@default>


Hi everybody

I'm pretty much new, I've been a fan of B&S for while and I just love the
feeling of familiarity that I get from listening to the songs.

Out of all the posts I've seen so far, everyone sounds so cool and friendly
and I'm so happy to have found you all. So far, I've seen many references to
many of my fave authors and artists!

Two things make me cry, Lou Reed's 'Berlin'LP and Gram Parsons '$1000
Wedding'. GP/Grievous Angel on one CD is heavenly. Actually, I just thought
of a third thing that makes me cry; my visa bill! ;-)

I've read Postcards from the Dead, and I actually believe that Douglas
Coupland has been badly typecast amongst the slacker/genX community.
'Shampoo Planet' was the first book of his that I read and I really enjoyed
the development of the characters and plot.

OK, I'm gonna go play around with FM aerial in preparation for the Radio One
broadcast on Monday! :-)


Love to the list
Andy Glambunny #4

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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Sun Jan  3 16:02:34 1999
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (Megan)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:02:34 +0300
Subject: Sinister: things that rhyme with beans
Message-ID: <000a01be374b$affe3520$d34302c3@lehard>


hi pooheads

it's that time of the year where i begin to take stock of where i've been
and what i'm going to do and start to get horribly nervous about all the
things that i should be doing at home but am unable to as i'm still with my
family.  however, this is somewhat tempered by the joys of sitting around
all day.  i do wish i could get started on a script for next semester though
as the last one was almost the death of me.  really, anything with a
deadline can quite easily be the death of me, so that's not saying much.  so
how was the sinister meetup in glasgow?  besides fun, i can tell that by the
fact that most of teh parties involved seem to be still passed out or
otherwise unable to respond.  (perhaps holed up in a bedroom somewhere?)
but that's not my main topic today.

in keeping with the subject, i'd like to talk about zines.  and the fact
that i have one and would like some advice, primarily about how maintaining
a webzine compares to maintaining a more conventional paper zine.
everything should be emailed to me privately, as i doubt that the list as a
whole cares, or that they should care.  mostly i want to hear from people
who've done both if at all possible.  i can think of some of you off the top
of my head, though i wouldn't dare to name names, no sir.  so if a few
people could get to me about that privately, that would be nice.

so anyway, i'm still reading middlemarch by george eliot, and it is good so
i recommend it.  a bit slow at the beginning sometimes but it gets much
better.  not sure what i'm going to read next, but i shouldn't have to worry
about that for a few more days anyway.

xoxoxo
megan

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From aszolnoki at xxx.com  Sun Jan  3 19:58:15 1999
From: aszolnoki at xxx.com (Andras Zalan Szolnoki)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 11:58:15 PST
Subject: Sinister: ....and I cut my thumb
Message-ID: <19990103195816.27448.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello everyone!

Happy new year ? Well my year so far has been under par to be honest.
New years eve was so-and-so , but yesterday was bad , actually it only 
became bad today. The short version is as follows: I woke up on the 
floor at a friends place , wooden floors may look great for sleeping but 
their not they have this aggressive fungus growing inside which causes 
nightmares and bad breath , and to my amasement I found out that I had 
cut my thumb and his neigbour !!!!!!!
I tried to remember what happend a few hours before , but besides 
drinking beer and singing  to B&S I don't remember much.
So I got my jacket and started to walk to the tube 
still feeling a bit drunk 
and to my utmost disapointment I found out that my clearence pass to a 
month filled with free and wonderfull traveling opportunities with the 
help of the kind people of the local collective transport company
was gone!!!
Now I have to buy another one........ (bugger)
Hope the new year has treated you people better then me (at least so 
far)

There was a "debate" going on a couple of weeks ago regarding indie 
labels vs. major labels.  I don't have any comments to what was said , 
but I think that some labels deserve a bit of attention :
chemikal underground , rawkus , ko records (hun) , juice (hun) , 
stickman / sticksister records , matador , sub pop , 4ad , voices of 
wonder (n) and then some.

and now some B&S content :
the pub I hang around in play B&S a couple of times a night
and my friends and I sing along
actually its mostly me
and I can't sing that well
but I give it a loud try now and again

Ciao
Andras

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From alix.campbell at xxx.net  Sun Jan  3 21:38:20 1999
From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:38:20 -0000
Subject: Sinister: llamas on stun
Message-ID: <009101be3761$62821440$4f39a8c2@n2f9x2>


to begin...

finn: new years was not a right laugh...i am living in fear of what may have
occured during those hours. though, admittedly it is amusing in a
withnailian fashion, i suppose. but still dead scary. i expect i will laugh
later. like a few years later.
i like melys though, they are lovely live, but sadly not so lovely unlive.

i've just been to see that new star trek film. it's superbee. there's
'splosions, llamas, beverly crusher, gilbert and sullivan renditions, funny
bits AND captain picard in a dress. no, i made that last one up, but's it's
a lovely image, no?

do you know what happens after a boy scout jumble sale? the scouts all dress
up in the unsold women's clothing, over their uniforms. it's a joy to watch.
young boys in blouses, fake fur, miniskirts and heels.

i saw a fox today, running down my street. it was quite little, i wasn't
able to befriend it, mind you, and i didn't want to. you see, i have to
admit this - i don't like foxes. my family keeps chickens, and once when i
was very little, a fox came one night and killed all our chooks. i wept all
morning at school, and i still have nightmares about foxes killing the hens
and me not being able to save them. so, for me, foxes are out. sorry.

james joyce is funny, if you look think enough about it. funny peculiar,
more often than not. but funny ha ha also. especially when describing facial
hair. but facial hair always makes me laugh anyway. it's subtle humour mixed
with severely boring bits.

whereas this is just severely boring bits

aurevoirmateslove
alix


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It's silent in the boardroom as I contemplate this, thinking it through
before asking, finally,
"What's 'broiled,' Luis?"
"I'm not sure," he says. "I think it involves . . . a pan"




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From hgfriel at xxx.uk  Sun Jan  3 21:45:45 1999
From: hgfriel at xxx.uk (Hugh Friel)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:45:45 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Hope then Strife
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Scarey New Year to all (and sundry)!
I went to the Edinburgh Mass Hysteria Experience.
Well, we sloped in at ca. 11:30 after some nice chap outside gave us some
tickets he had.
We went right into the Princes
Street moshpit (cue Gary) but about two minutes before the orgas...em,
climax we stepped over that line where you're no longer in control of your
own movements, you're
just part of a much bigger animal altogether.
Jenny's face just buckled from a happy smile into some countenance of
terror.
Man, it was horrible.  Anyway I just kind of grabbed her and the two of us
got out, so there's a
happy ending.  *what was that phrase, grace under pressure?*
So I've got my telly tuned to Channel 4 (in the uK) and there's been some
pretty
portentous scheduling going on.  The first truly popular emergence of the
doomsday scenarists.  And it's just not what I need to hear the night before
I go back to work.  I mean, should I just cash in my pension and embark upon
a
narcotic-psychotic existential bender, remembering to set my alarm for
December,
when I can start to repent?  I dunno.
My reaction to all this brink-teetering is to make my first Y2K tape
(therapy, the call it).  This is where you lot fit
in.  I need help.  The Robbie Williams song is NOT invited.  So, Pulp is in.
Prince is in - oh, controversial!
During this period Skwig had a great sound, so at home in the 80's, even
though some songs sound the same (a bit like you-know-who).   But what else?
Am I right in thinking that Electrolite by REM is one?  I'm stuck.  Help!
So BBCR1 are broadcasting Les Sessions Noire (sorry to the French listee(s)
but I learn foreign languages
from cosmetics labels) tomorrow night.  That means I'll have a crystal clear
FMS copy to replace the
copy I got from that nice chap Stephan Hammer in return for a donation to
PLAN in Honduras.  So, if anyone outside the uK really needs to hear
it....but don't snow me under, I'm sure my countrypeople will help satisfy
demand.
Talking of the Black Sessions - I take it that the instrumental in mayfly is
what I think it is??
I'll get my coat...
Hugh









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From brier at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 06:49:08 1999
From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 22:49:08 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Name Droppings
Message-ID: <003501be37ae$555dcb40$aa9ccdcf@brier>


I've been trying to compile a definitive list of all the names B&S have
dropped in song.  Besides their own.  If I've forgotten any (like from the
unreleased stuff which I'm not as familiar with), let me know.  Rip van
Winkle is the only fictional one.  And Elvis is questionable because they
MIGHT not be referring to Mr. Presley (although I know that they ARE).

(Bob) Dylan
Paula Wilcox
Sid James
Seymour Stein
Johnny (Marr)
Rip van Winkle
George the 3rd
(Jack) Kerouac
Elvis (Presley)?
Doestoevski
Mark Twain
(Her Majesty the) Queen

And OH, content on celebrity spottings:  I was promenadeing on the 3rd
Street Promenade in Santa Monica last night, and Alanis Morrisette was
shopping at Urban Outfitters at the same time I was.  Not that I'm a fan, or
that anyone else here is (ahem, ur...) but it was cool anyway.  No one
noticed her, she looked so plain.  And she's really short.  She kept looking
at me (or so my friends said; I wasn't looking at HER) and then we left the
store and she was standing outside and I took a picture of my girlfriend so
I could get Alanis in the background.  Are you afraid for me?

Who was Cana?  Besides the start of something Big?

Another true story:  My cousin Melanie has a boyfriend named Sebastian.  I
call them Mel & Sebastian.  Totally fucking true story.

Is the book "Belle & Sebastien" hard to find?  Anyone have it?

I hope all that unsubbed for the holidays are back and happy and posting
again.  Love to all.

Brier



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From eliam at xxx.edu  Mon Jan  4 07:49:52 1999
From: eliam at xxx.edu (Marie Elia)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 02:49:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: B&S on 120
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hello, everyone!

i am new to the list, and i wasn't going to post anything just yet, but
tonight i was rewarded while watching MTV's 120 Minutes... they played the
Is It Wicked Not To Care? video!  i was shocked (and near appalled) to see
this... MTV is so mainstream, but 120 Minutes has the best videos, so i
guess it's okay.  And... i happened to have a tape in my VCR (cuz i had
just taped  liz phair on Sessions at W. 54th).  so i taped it.

um, that's all...
just a B&S sighting to contribute.

marie

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From clarence at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 09:21:51 1999
From: clarence at xxx.com (Clarence Tsui, Hong Chee)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:21:51 +0800 
Subject: Sinister: Appeal to Barcelona fans
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Hola

Just want to ask whether there are any Catalan friends aboard the sinister
ship.... i just learnt that a Barcelona magazine, "ab", had run a cover
feature on our beloved Belle & Sebastian. Anyone had a clue on its
content....

I saw the cover of it when Wallpaper* introduced the mag in one of their
current issues.

And did anyone of you participate in NME"s B&S quiz.

Clarence
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From johnj at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 11:13:31 1999
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Johnston)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:13:31 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: What am i like!
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Sorry list - god how long have i been on here yet when I come to resub
after the holidays I send it to the list not the majordomo. I can assure
I have put on my roughest undergarments as a penance. Sorry.

Joyeux new year to you all and I promise that I will finish the
orange/purple/silver/month poem (aka Charlotte Hall's competition)
webpage soon for everyone's delectation and edification.

xx
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From MctaggartR at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 13:19:40 1999
From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:19:40 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: Hogmanay hoots
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Listers,

Well, I trust you had yourselves a merry little Christmas, and that Santa
emptied his sack and filled your stockings.  And that you didn't turn up
riotously drunk at someone else's flat at Hogmanay and force people to
listen to David Bowie "making a funny noise", then hurl abuse at the List
President down the phone.  Now I come to think about it, someone on this
list did exactly that.  I'll mention no names, certainly if I was to say
"Chris" and "Leonard", I'd already have said too much.

I haven't made any new year's resolutions because I'm perfect.

Why do I have to work today?  It's crap.  Wumpkinny is poorly sick at home
and I really should be demonstarting my bedside manner.  Still, the two of
us have had a smashing time, she got to meet her in-laws, my mother accused
us of laughing at someone's "nether regions" and then rambled  incoherently
at the dog.  We also had a stream of Sinister visitors - not just fellow
Chorlton residents JJJ, Princess Rachel and Warrander John (who makes a fine
cheesecake), but also Andrew Dean and Beth (formerly of this parish), which
was nice.  And we went to the Po Caf shindig, where Trousers roasted his
chestnuts on an open fire, Tim H!O!P!kins announced that he was a "chocolate
consultant", whatever that means, and I met Vicki and Funkiseb and Kevan for
the first time.  Northy didn't show up, perhaps he's been reading the
archives.  I notice that Trousers has been slow to blow his own trumpet
(though Christ knows he's tried, he says it's the extra rib that gets in the
way), and plug the Sinisterzine which was available that night.  It's called
"Papercuts" and various listees write stuff in it, so I think you should
inundate Trews with requests for it.  It's got Belle and Sebastian in it,
sort of, if that helps.  And Keith writes about how Television make him
think of summer days and bicycle rides with girls in flowery dresses.  Or
words to that effect.

We went to Loch Lomond on New Year's day and then went back to Glasgow cos
it was cold and I had a headache....I read some of the Duke's book.  It's
got big words in it, but I think the butler did it....Mrs Murdoch, you are
my list crush....Does Sarah Martin know, I wonder, that she was only thirty
seconds away from seeing me naked?  But that's another story.

I think that just about covers everything.

Love tag xx
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Sun Jan  3 23:04:00 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 15:04:00 -0800
Subject: Sinister: i'm a creep, i'm a weirdo, what the hell am i doing here, please killme
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fluffysarah wrote
Perhaps I am trying to type in the same trendy and ironic styles of many
hipsters upon this list. Like Tag, and Peter Miller, and Lesley Jo.
Wahahahahahhaa yeah right! It's a kind of........trendy
undtrendiness.... mmm nice.

not sure what that is supposed to mean, i thought that i was the most
untrendiest anti-hipster.  i apologiize for my irony, i despise  it, but i'm
trapped in my generation.  perhaps this is ironic in some way. i'll leave
you to decide.
i'm jealous of all the people with the special recordings.  i would never
have things to offer for rarities. not whining, just saying i'm slightly
envious.
my face hurts because i just saw the  movie the color purple and i never
watch movies because i hate them mostly, but it  made me leak like a faucet.
just like pretty music.  the music in it was very good too.
jennyk, yes i think the ocean blue is sweet and neat, very not hip and very
pretty.  they are from  hershey, PA actually.  i have only just acquired
cerulean and the s/t record and was pretty happy with them so far.  the guy
does sound like he has a brit accent, but he's  really as american  as
marilyn manson, go figure.

does anyone find this concept weird, of writing on a list of  800 people,
and thinking that anything you have to say is interesting to even 1% of
them.  i dont' know why i do it actually.  i probably have an ego the  size
of the hale-bopp comet.  so does that mean i'm infering this upon the rest
of the posters as well?  well at least i wouldn't feel so bad about it  if
everyone else was  in love with themselves too.  let's have a love-in.

what is this nonsense of passing off a felt song as a b&s recording? i dont'
relaly understand how that works, it  confuses me why anyone  would think
that , or was it some really pathetic attempt at a hoax, or what?
does anyone know if it is possible to acquire felt  records in the  us for
anything under say, an arm and a lleg??  i haven't seen it yet.   it makes
me sad.  as of now i'm awaiting my france gall cd to arrive.  and i'm
fixing to order the cat power lp.  that's the update of my  sorry record
collection, woo stay tuned for next week when my radiohead cd's  gang rape
the spinanes lp's, and tori amos's computerenhanced single spills the beans
about the pj harvey interview disc's nefarious plans to launder money
through the local government, and newcomer kirsty maccoll's  used "Electric
Landlady" discovers that the headcoatees  seven inch is her long lost
bastard child.  dun-dun- DUNHHHH!

well, i'm off to cut my head open and make gravy, and bitch about my bitter
childhood.  keep your guards up, someone had better watch out for my wacky
hijinx.
LJo


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"This can opener is not just a kitchen appliance. Treat it kindly, and it
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From AEvans at xxx.uk  Mon Jan  4 12:36:46 1999
From: AEvans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:36:46 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: Waddingtons
Message-ID: <25CC9C11BD12D111BA5500805F8B63697FD126@COR-EXG1>



Following the theme of Belle and Sebastian board games, I firmly believe
it was Ms Campbell in the recording studio with the recorder and not
Admiral Leonard in the bathroom with the bog-brush as may have
previously been suggested.

New Years Resolutions ?

* Get rid of the pot-belly.
* Unsubscribe from Sinister
* Be generally nicer to people.

My New Years Resolutions ?

* Get Fatter
* Stay inebriated all year
* Receive more hate mail.

Happy Mahogany.

Yours

Captain Waddington.
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From koogydelbbog at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 11:06:04 1999
From: koogydelbbog at xxx.com (andrew dean)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 03:06:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: re: peel's festive 50
Message-ID: <19990104110604.25705.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>


this is kinda off topic, for which i apologise. anyway, johnfm
mentioned Peel's festive fifty so i thought i'd post the rest of it...

50.     PJ Harvey  - 'Is This Desire'
49.     The Fall (Session) - 'Shake Off'
48.     Autechre  - 'Fold 4 Wrap 5'
47.     Ten Benson  - 'Evil Heat'
46.     Sportique  - 'Kids Are Solid Gold'
45.     Soda Stream  - 'Turnstyle'
44.     Rooney  - 'Went To Town'
43.     Hefner  - 'Pull Yourself Together'
42.     Derrero  - 'Radar Intruder'
41.     Boards Of Canada  - 'Roygbiv'
40.     60ft Dolls  - 'Alison's Room'
39.     Quickspace (Session) - 'If I Were A Carpenter'
38.     Delgados  - 'The Actress'
37.     Melt Banana  - 'Stimulus For Revolting Virus'
36.     Gorky's Zygotic Mynci  - 'Hush The Warmth'
35.     Gorky's Zygotic Mynci  - 'Sweet Johnny'
34.     Elbow  - 'Powder Blue'
33.     Male Nurse - 'My Own Private Patrick Swayze'
32.     Freed Unit - 'Widdershins'
31.     Billy Bragg - 'Way Over Yonder In The Minor Key'
30.     Super Furry Animals - 'Ice Hockey Hair'
29.     Fatboy Slim - 'Rockafeller Skank'
28.     Clinic - 'Monkey On Your Back'
27.     Belle & Sebastian - 'Sleep The Clock Around'
26.     Half Man Half Biscuit - 'Turn A Blind Eye'
25.     Melys - 'Lemming'
24.     Solex Session - 'One Louder'
23.     Spiritualized - 'Oh Happy Day'
22.     Massive Attack - 'Teardrop'
21.     Evolution - 'Copyright Violation For The Nation'
20.     Solex - 'All Lickety Split'
19.     Boards Of Canada - 'Aquarius'
18.     L^�Augmentation - 'Soleil'

but that's where it stops (according to the radio 1 web site anyway.
they also had some very obvious errors in there (male burse anyone?)
so...). i do (did?) have a recording of most of the rest of it and can
tell you that 'The Boy With The Arab Strap' was at number 3 (behind
mogwai and the delgadoes). i'll post the rest of it when either myself
or the radio 1 web page guy has transcribed it...

('widdershins' btw john, is old english for 'anti-clockwise')

andy

um, strange christmas. it was bookended by trips to heathrow, the
latter being more successful than the former (when the girlfriend i
was surprising arrived 40 minutes earlier than expected and had
already left for guildford with some burly police officer). spent most
of the rest of it (seemingly) on trains to manchester (staying with
two of the nicest people alive, one of whom ended up with my secret
santa present that i took to the Sinister Social the night before.
what are the chances?), birmingham, ashchurch (for tewkesbury), hemel,
brighton and london and in a graveyard lopping the heads off various
members of the undead...

back to work today to find they've put the price of coffee up by 50%
in the machines and that part of beth's christmas present had finally
arrived hours after seeing her onto her plane. looks like she won't
get to find out who eventually volunteers to help madame cholet pick
blackberries until next christmas...
==
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From sburon at xxx.fr  Mon Jan  4 13:06:05 1999
From: sburon at xxx.fr (Buron Stéphane)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:06:05 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Pastelism, Satanic Session, Cana...
References: <de4d1029.368d39a3@aol.com> <368E2C62.574BAE0A@tangents.co.uk>
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Hi list!

Well, since i've got some time to spare, I decided to spare it with you.
Godd idea, isnt it? So, a few answers and remarks and things about... well,
you'll see.

duke of harringay wrote:

>  i agree with whoever said that it doesn't
> matter that all their songs sound 'similar', because there's always been
> a formula in the best Pop

The Duke is right, once again (it's funny how he manages to express things
the way I never could, even if I had the same opinion...) However, he was
talking about the Pastels, one of my favourite bands, and I thought I could
add something (even if it's not directly related to Belle and Sebastian...)
Their last album, "Illumination", doesnt sound AT ALL like the others. It's
much slower, cleaner, with nice melancolic sounds. It seems they've grown
older, but for the better.

Something else. Various listees have asked questions about the Black
sessions (or satanic sessions, according to Mr Dastoor). May be this could
be added to the List's FAQ, sinc many new listees have asked what it was.
The Black Sessions are organised by Bernard Lenoir, kind of "french John
Peel". The bands play a gig in the studios in front of 200 people (more or
less), and the gig is broadcasted live on the french radio France Inter.
Belle and Sebastian played such a session on october 5th 1998 (just a day
before their "real" concert, at La Cigale).
Thanks to the tonight broadcast on Radio1, most of the listees (at least
living in Britain) wont have to ask for tapes anymore. For the others
(living in Europe, since many american people must have a tape), well,
e-mail me privately and I'll see what I can do...

Brier Random wrote:

> Who was Cana?  Besides the start of something Big?

Well, funny question, indeed. Just read the Bible! (a clue: it's not "who",
it's "what"...)

Happpy Belle Year to you,

Stephane
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From jmurphy at xxx.Edu  Mon Jan  4 14:13:03 1999
From: jmurphy at xxx.Edu (Jessica Murphy)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:13:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Re:Name Droppings
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On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, Brier Random wrote:

> I've been trying to compile a definitive list of all the names B&S have
> dropped in song.  Besides their own.  

> Who was Cana?  Besides the start of something Big?

Maybe it's just my Catholic upbringing! but this always reminds me of the
story of the Marriage at Cana, which was the first miracle of Christ's
career, so to speak.  He was a guest at a wedding feast where the wine ran
out, but he was able to help by turning some bottles of water into more
wine, so everybody was happy.

Lovesick on a sunny afternoon,

jessica m


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From tinystar at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 14:45:08 1999
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:45:08 -0500
Subject: Sinister: suck it up/jessica's new year's escapades
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happy new year, sinisterines!

this message is rather dull (not a good path to start on in a new year)
unless you're interested in some new year's smut, in which case, read on.
actually, it may be dull anyways, but not as dull as "stealing beauty".
yeccch. does liv tyler not have the most distracting lips?

i went to a friend's party on new year's eve...his name is craig, we've
known each other for ages. we sat around and drank a beer each before other
people started coming. i'm the
cheapest date ever, probably because i'm kind of small, so i was feeling
wobbly after that one beer. so people came that i hadn't seen in a while,
all the good looking guys brought their girlfriends (foo) and people brought
champagne and snacks and more beer and craig had a bottle of jamieson's
irish whisky that is absolutely brutal...but i'm getting ahead of myself.
actually, i'm probably not because the only stuff of note that happened was
that we were all dancing in our
drunkenness to craig's 6 hour tape that he put together for the party, he
recorded music onto a vhs tape so there would be no flipping or anything. it
was neat. but over the course of the evening/night, i had 2 beers, a glass
of champagne, and i think 4 shots of that vile whisky. oh, and some pot. so
the last people were trickling out at about 3:30am, and in my drunken state
i was under the impression that i would somehow be able to get home with the
subways not running. but craig had already said that i could stay over if
necessary,
which is fine because he's a nice guy and non-threatening. so i lay down on
the couch that was in the kitchen to sober up a little and rest my dancing
legs, and all of a sudden the room was spinning and my head was all big and
i was way too hot. so i took off my socks and my glasses, and then all the
people had left (and i had received a drunken semi-kiss from a friend) and
craig came in and started rubbing my feet, which was nice and relaxing and
took my mind off the fact that i was floating quite speedily around the
room. i complained that the couch was too hard, so he got me a pillow. i
moved to let him put it under my head and all of a sudden i totally felt
like i was going to throw up. and craig was so nice about it (he was also
drunk, mind you, but not as much as i was), he tried to help me up the
stairs to the bathroom but there was no way i was going up any stairs, so i
just stopped at the sink and leaned over there and pressed my forehead
against the cold metal of the basin and bit my lip and prayed that i
wouldn't throw up. craig was standing right behind me, rubbing my back and
asking if i was okay. well, i didn't throw up, we were standing there for i
don't know how long, me on the verge of passing out (and perhaps actually
doing it - i'm not really sure) and craig rubbing my back which turned into
craig rubbing my belly which turned into craig rubbing my breasts. to spare
you the gory details, the night ended at 5am with us making out, and craig
carrying me into bed and giving
me his shirt to wear. i woke up this morning at 11am with one lovely groggy
feeling which turned into a hangover at about 12:30pm, after i had a shower
and was sitting in the kichen amid strewn clothes eating nachos for
breakfast. i got home at 1:30 and mostly disguised my pathetically hungover
self from my mother, who attributed my grumpiness to lack of sleep.

i'm a bit disappointed that craig does not share my love of b+s, i was
talking about them and he said "i heard one of their songs...how can you
like them, they're just awful! they're like simon and garfunkel."

oooh, and i'm reading the whole of the graham greene book about the captain
(i think it's called the captain and something or other, i'm darn cold and a
bit too lazy to remember the whole thing) rather than just skimming it as i
did last time, it's so nice and mellow. even the more urgent parts are
relaxed and not hyper at all.

does anyone know where i could find the violin or piano music for the
rachel's band?

truly,
jessicaxo

in my cd player: takako minekawa "cloudy cloud calculator"
in my pants: nobody (ha!)

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From rebeckas at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 15:08:10 1999
From: rebeckas at xxx.com (Rebecka popgal)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:08:10 PST
Subject: Sinister: belle & sebastian childstory!
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hey belle fans out there..

happy new year i wish you all..

I'm just back after a nice and cozy holiday with my boyfriend..and what 
do we find in his parents video drawer..yes..you guessed right 

.. The belle &sebastian story on video...cartooned very sweetly..it was 
pretty nice..but a small minus is that the language is translated into 
swedish it would be better in french i recon..it was sweet..

I did not know earlier that belle was a dog..sweet again..

so I guess you guys can envy me bigtime now then..:) teehee..

hugs &kisses Becka

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Mon Jan  4 16:57:27 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:57:27 +0000
Subject: Sinister: argh! argh! we wear baggy shorts and shout! argh!
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mental!

I do not believe what has happened this day. One friend to hospital in
an ambulance, the other driven home shaking and the collapsing.....
never come to preston. its dangerous for your health if yo' aint used to
the air.

I'll tell all you ARTISTS, stop it now! Your work is dangerous!
Especially if you are of the peculair persuasion that like to make
sculptures of naked ladies out of concrete. One of those today wobbled
off it's stall and fell on my friends head, causing blood to dip on the
floor like it was going out of fashion, ambulances being called,
paramedics running up and down stairs with wheelchairs. When I picked up
that thing afterwoods it weighed a ton. Fuck. I hope my friendy is ok :(

And then after I saw her off in the ambulance, I saw my other friend
curled up and shaking in the corner with tears in her eyes. She went
home as well, being very ill.

Its me. Don't come near me. You'll probably just get injured somehow....

I'm listening to Leonard Cohen now. And Suzanne is a song that Chris
Leonard put on a mix tape for me! Doh, and there I was thinking it ws
Cat Stevens. 'Cos I lost the tracklisting y'see, so I know no artists on
the tape what so ever. Who does the *ducks on a pond, ducks on a pond,
very pretty swimming around* song please? I am fond of it. I might do a
folk hippy thing next you know, and do dreadlocks and crusty stuff and
drink scrumpy cha.

Except for that fact that hippes indeed do me head in. I hate the new
Offspring single! It keeps geting stuck in my head! And I keep singing,
give it to me babY! ooooho ohohohoh! all the girls say i'm pretty fly,
FOR A WHITE GUY!!! uno dos tres cuatro cinco cinco seis...or something.
This Leonard Cohen is inspiring me to get an acoustical geetar and write
songs about the sky. PENMNY WHISTLE SOLO!

*sigh* Tag your post made me feel very bitter and jealous. I wish I
could have listened to Dave Bowie as well. Doive. <--- me trying to
*write* the word "dave" in a cockney accent. Did it work? Has tag met
ever Sinister person now? I haven't. Oh well. Its not like youre missing
anything :) Your health is probably better, doh.....not fair.... 

wish my friends good luck.....
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Fluffy Candarel
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From jeanette at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 11:15:27 1999
From: jeanette at xxx.com (Jeanette)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 11:15:27 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Questions... always questions...
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Howdy, friends.
This is your new Texas correspondent, checking in for the first time.
I'm new to Belle & Sebastian, but fell in love with the very first song
I heard. I haven't fallen so hard for a band in quite awhile!
I have a couple of questions: Is anyone out there over, say, 25? Sounds
like most of y'all are high school/college age (I certainly mean no
disrespect in asking... just curious if there are any other old geezer
B&S fans ... other than Paul). Trust me, after you hit 30, it's hard to
find people who listen to new music. Most of my friends are stuck in the
80s. (Please be careful: Most people never get past the music they
listened to in high school/college and stay with that for the rest of
their lives... Don't fall into that trap! Keep your minds open and keep
exploring the possibilities!)

.... Sorry, didn't mean to start preaching right off. Please forgive.

Anyway, one more question: I'm traveling to Ireland later this month,
and would love to know of some cool live music venues. I'll be in Dublin
for a couple of days, but mostly in the North (Derry, Belfast). Any
sweet Irish B&S fans who could take the time to make a few suggestions
for me?

Happy New Year to all!
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From martin_horsfield at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 15:25:09 1999
From: martin_horsfield at xxx.com (Martin Horsfield)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:25:09 PST
Subject: No subject
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After a full and frank Christmas and New Year, Matinee Mart is back in 
this parish. Belle and Sebastian undoubtedly a success, Salako AA side 
marvellous, new Matinee demos fruitful, club and fanzine projects well 
under way, AC/DC and Them albums totally smart, �2.99 Best of The Box 
Top (sic) even better, latest freelance job promising (well ace, 
really), semi-secret acoustic gigs underway, Jeepster's 'Search For A 
Star' contest on. Good luck to one and all of us in the new year.

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From WarranderJ at xxx.uk  Mon Jan  4 16:17:22 1999
From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:17:22 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Spiced Bum
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Hello Lovely People,

Has somebody been saying bad things about the Pastels? I
can't be bothered looking at the archives. But Stephen Pastel
makes me wet myself. And I'll defend him with my forehead if
need be. Actually, I did pop into John Smith's while enjoying
some festive frolics in Glasgow and he wasn't working. Such
a shame. I licked the records I guessed he'd handled as a
consolation. Just in case you were wondering what the gooey
stains on the Silver Jews' sleeves were. Don't get too excited.

Anyway, somebody managed to convince me that the festive
spirit for 1998 was Morgan's spiced rum. Well nobody at my
aunt's thought I was being very festive when I locked myself in
the toilet to die after a prolonged bout of vomiting at what was
meant to be a gentle family soiree. On the plus side though, my
father has a very small bladder and urinated in his pants leading
to an hilarious evening of entertainment consisting mainly of
pointing your finger at the bald bloke and shouting "pishy
drawers". That actually passes for sophistication in Aberdeen.
It's that kind of town.

Aberdonians being tight-fisted bastards too, I never bother
buying any pressies for anybody. The short-arse ginger fucker
got me some very, very fine records though and I'm listening to
them now, which just about makes getting up before sunrise
bearable. Unfortunately, I think my visit to the Fopp January sale
confirms the fact that a crap record for £2.99 does not actually
constitute a bargain.

My sister's gone and married into a family of huns since I was
last in Glasgow. Quite a shock to the system that on Christmas
day. Oh, and yes, I do make a fine cheesecake. I make a rather
tasty Mediterranean vegetable stew with grilled hallumi too. If
you're ever in Manchester and feeling a bit peckish then be sure
and call round. I'll be the one in the kitchen making lots of lovely,
lovely things.

I was going to pretend that Celtic footballing sensation Craig
Burley rubbed my feet then my back then my belly then my
breasts seductively at a party I was at. But I don't know who
Jessica is and she may think I was taking the piss. Which of
course I'd never dream of. And anyway, then you'd all know the
lithe athletic persona that I've adopted for the internet is really a
big lie and I'm actually a fat bastard.

Did you have a "nae pal party" this New Year? I did.
Love...John
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From Kayemess at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 18:27:57 1999
From: Kayemess at xxx.com (Kayemess at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:27:57 EST
Subject: Sinister: Name Droppings
Message-ID: <b6a9f71a.3691082d@aol.com>



Don't forget Judy Blume on the list of celebrity names.

W/R/T Mel and Sebastian: I live in Isabel Hall, and I've a professor named Dr.
Sebastian.  When leaving his class and heading home for the day, I'm always
tempted to say I'm headed to 'Bel from Sebastian's.  OK, that's not at all
funny now that I've written it down.

Where oh where has my dear friend Mark Cassarotto run off?

XOXO,
Kristen
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From koogydelbbog at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 17:32:07 1999
From: koogydelbbog at xxx.com (andrew dean)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:32:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: re: festive fifty (top 17)
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um, having said this morning that i'd post the rest of the festive
fifty i suppose i better had...

01. Delgados  - 'Pull The Wires From The Wall'
02. Mogwai  - 'Xmas Steps'
03. Belle & Sebastian  - 'Boy With The Arab Strap'
04. Ten Benson  - 'The Claw'
05. Pop Off Tuesday  - 'Unwordly'
06. Cuban Boys  - 'Oh My God They Killed Kenny'
07. Bis  - 'Eurodisco'
08. Pulp  - 'This Is Hardcore'
09. Delgados  - 'Everything Runs Around The Water'
10. Helen Love  - 'Long Live The Uk Music Scene'
11. Jesus & Mary Chain  - 'Crackin Up'
12. Daniel Johnston  - 'Dream Scream'
13. Clinic  - 'Cement Mixer'
14. Badly Drawn Boy  - 'I Need A Sign'
15. Cinerama     - 'Kerry Kerry'
16. Plone  - 'Plock'
17. L'augmentation  - 'Soleil'

the whole thing's on the web now at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/peel/festive_98.html

right, i'll stop wasting your time now...

andy
==
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From Niceaction at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 18:25:39 1999
From: Niceaction at xxx.com (Niceaction at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:25:39 EST
Subject: Sinister: Dogs Droppings
Message-ID: <9fbb6982.369107a3@aol.com>


Hi people :o)

In a message dated 04/01/99 06:55:51 GMT, Brier:

<< And OH, content on celebrity spottings:  I was promenadeing on the 3rd
 Street Promenade in Santa Monica last night, and Alanis Morrisette was
 shopping at Urban Outfitters at the same time I was. >>

I was shopping in Brighton on Saturday, and saw the roadie from B & S ! not
sure of his name, but its the young guy who fiddles with everything.. he had
bought some stuff from Borders. 


The Big Meet Up in Brighton happened just after xmas.  A lovely time was had
by all, and many beverages consumed by the international crew that turned up !
we had people from the USA, Finland, Scotland and England turn up, and even a
guest appearance from Madame Cholet, although she seemed very shy.. awwwwww
:o)
The theme of the evening, i think, was to give as much crap to Catatonia and
Robbie Williams, which i think we succeeded in.

well, take it easy kids

Jamie
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Mon Jan  4 22:25:52 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:25:52 -0800
Subject: Sinister: everybodys talking at me
Message-ID: <000901be3831$31867180$4d11020a@rebelstrange>


Welcome back weejay, it is said.
my my, so many drunken escapades this new year.  this maybe a rude question,
but why on earth do people drink until they throw up? please, i dont'
understand!  i like the nice relaxing feeling, but i've never had the urge
to just keep swallowing, after a while it begins to taste a little dull and
i dont 'want anymore.  i just   wondered....but then i'm teh girl who just
loves pink champagne, those other things are just too bitter. i like fizzy
drinks, except for cola, blech!!
good on'ya Brier!! you bagged alanis, what a modern rock catch!! you can
tell the grandkids about that day.  hehe sounding a bit like my photojenny
charade there  wit tha camera.  i'm mad with the shutter myself.  today i
took pictures of my cat.
And yes--Cana was the site of Jesus's first miracle. i'm no bible scholar,
but one  night i was on the phone with friend Jess and we decided to look up
belle and sebastian words in my Big-Ass dictionary. we found lardy, and
toff, and then i looked up wanker for a laugh--but it was in there!!!  and i
looked up Cana, and it was in there too.  bloody hell, any dictionary that
has wanker in it is getting my top honors.
OOH nice toons Sarah!!!  the Offspring are brilliant indeed!  i just love
those songs that are supposed to be funny, but really aren't, and sound
likke every other song a band has ever recorded. those boys, hehe a bunch of
rascals WHO SHOIULD DIE!!!!!!
i'm sad i missed wicked again on the tv last night!! but i was asleep.  i
fell asleep before i could even see what nonsense mulder and scully can get
into this week.   but there was a very touching  (at first) episode of the
simpsons on where  bart accidentally killed an innocent  bird.  it was nice
at first but then gradually deteriorated into something a bit more crass, i
was disappointed as it would hav been a good opportunity to educate our
populace on the ecological dangers of introducing exotic wildlife into
places they do not  belong.  as it was they made it a big laugh.  boo, where
is Captian Planet when one needs him?

HOoray, i have just added Sarah martin to my groovy gals gallery, tho
youcan't see it until i get all my pages working.  my site is under
reconstruction.  the b/s pages will remain the same though.  haha that page
has beat the count of my main page, and it's only been up a couple of
months.  the joys of  being prestigiously linked are manifold.
So this mysterious papercuts zine is finally arrived, was it  trousers  who
told me about it??  hmph, well i want some of the action too!
happy happy day for the parishioners of  Our Lady of Tiger Ears, i should be
working on the chickfactor transcript shortly.  if my damn word processor
doesn't keep f-ing  crashing.  sorry.
Where do belleandseb namedrop Sid James??  am i just slow or did i miss
something? maybe i didnt' pay enough attention.
i've just done a shameful thing, no words will be spoken of it.
"told a lie went to jail, nobody'd miss me.."
thank you keithm for the moose tape, i'll get back to you in time to  shower
you with  gratitude!
annoying as fuck,
LJO
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"I've just been shining this apple, and it looks so delicious, but i've
changed my mind. . .do you want to share it?"
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From kfr9 at xxx.gov  Mon Jan  4 20:41:33 1999
From: kfr9 at xxx.gov (Rehak, Kimberly)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:41:33 -0500 
Subject: Sinister: a simple pondering...oh no!
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hi, hello, etc.

i just came back from a jaunt in the bitter chilly world outside.  i work in
this big mining experimental plant just outside of
pittsburgh--pittsburgh/steel/coal mining--get the connection?  well, i see
this beautiful flock of turkeys and then this family of deer.  i felt like
snow white!...all i was in need of was a chipmunk scurrying across the road
and a yellow bird to perch on me shoulder.  now, my simple pondering is:
how could anyone ever kill these things?  and ENJOY it?  mind you, i still
eat a bit of turkey now and then, but as a SPORT?  i just can't fathom this.
but then again, i'm the one who gets mum or dad to kill the spiders in the
bathroom.  so that is what my days consist of:  pondering simple things such
as this, standing in front of my lover--the copy machine, filing things for
other people (does anyone realize how DIFFICULT this is?), attempting to
stay awake, etc.  it's a rope around that neck, nah, it's not really that
bad.  my, i'm almost done though...wa-HOO!

does anyone here happen to be a sloan fan?  or is this taboo?

*kiss! for marie~~hello honey!*

byebye
oh, and kiss! for all of you too
KIMberly



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From dove_volare at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 22:00:53 1999
From: dove_volare at xxx.com (yellow submarine)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:00:53 PST
Subject: Sinister: winter polaroid
Message-ID: <199901042200.OAA10532@law-f106.hotmail.com>


i don't know how the weather is where you lot live but i've been burried 
in snow for the last two days.   i thought i'd share the delightment (is 
that a word?) of winter to those snow deprived listees out there by 
showing you an ink polariod of my new years eve.  

i arrive at the house party, the sky is frosty black and twinkling.  i 
crack open a cider and reach for my first ciggy for the eve. but no, my 
hand is swatted away, for there is no smoking in this little house.  
my jaw hangs down...but we're drinking, how can we not smoke? go outside 
i'm told, and am shown to the door.  i didn't think my mitts would be 
needed so they sat warmly in my closet at home.  stuggling to hold my 
cider and retreave my lighter i carefully climb through the thigh high 
snow bankes to the side of the house, since the wind is a little less 
nippy over there.  so i stand....engulfed in snow, hair whipping round 
my face, and attempt to flick the bloody lighter with my already purple 
thumb.  finally a flamb, and my first toasty inhalation. within two 
minutes though all feeling has left my hands.  my cigarette will either 
break under pressure from my frozen hands, or drop to the ground from 
lack of grip.  i switch hands.  even worse.  the cigarette is whipped 
away in the wind and i stand there pathetically in a snow bank, behind a 
house.

that was it for my smoking.  i'm quitting til april.  possibly.

 cheers to anyone who actually read that, and sympathies to anyone who 
can relate.

anyother exciting news to i can think of?

i stabbed myself and bled absolutely everywhere including my freshly 
washed white carpet.

the carbon monoxide detector keeps going off in my house but my mum 
thinks the basement looks too messy to have anyone over, so she said 
she'll wait for one of the cats to die so she knows its serious and then 
she'll call someone.

right.

so if i'm alive...till next time

cheers
xo

please don't spoil my day i'm miles away and after all i'm only sleeping  
- j. lennon
  

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From TFertig3 at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 23:03:36 1999
From: TFertig3 at xxx.com (TFertig3 at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:03:36 EST
Subject: Sinister: My thermostat's called "Honeywell"
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Dear to all,

I have not written in a while because nobody voted me as a list crush.
Actually, I was just too lazy, or busy.  On New Year's I went to my friend's
party and danced to bad European dance p!o!p! from the early 90's.  Like the
Scatman and Max, Don't Have Sex With My Ex or something like that.  New Year's
stinks.

Talking about songs that sound like Felt!  Loneliness of a Middle Distance
Runner, that song IS Felt.  There should be such things as copyrights of
bands' sounds!  It's still a rather pleasant sounding song.  Stuey's high
notes make it all worthwhile.

Ah, as you can see I am no longer deprived of the wonderful world of...
Unreleased songs!  Thanks to a certain person, who I owe all my smiles and
sighs to.

Now that that's been said, I should like to go on and make my usual round of
commentary on newly discovered Belle and Sebastian songs.

First off... I don't like Rhoda!!  [brushes off tomato slop from my sweater]
It's just not good, and I can't understand why everyone who's heard it thinks
it's the most perfect, fantastic song around.  Tell me, please!  It's nice,
that's the most I can say for it.

On the other hand, those three wonderful, wonderful songs.  Pocketbook Angel,
Hurley's Having Dreams,and London Has Let Me Down Again..  Oooooh they are
simply extraordinary and keyboard-ilicious.  No songs have ever made me smile
so widely and laugh because there's nothing left to do.  Especially the part
that goes.. "Hurley dreamed of the time when he was a horse in
Czechoslavakia..".  My dad's Czech, but he doesn't like Belle and Sebastian.
So, my question is, for all you lucky bunnies who've heard these fantastic
songs, why are they rated so low on the voting chart?  Oh there I go, my
obsession with the voting chart has leaked out once again!  I think I can
safely say that I am the only one in the world who has memorized my password
to vote..  But really though, why aren't they number 1??

For all you who were disconcerted with the new version of Modern Rock Song
(me, among them), there is one ditty that's better on the new version.  See if
you can guess which!  Nah, actually I'll just tell it.. it's when Stuart sings
the words "birthday girl".. have you ever heard anything so heavenly?  Sure,
so he doesn't go "stray-i-e-i-ange" anymore, and Stevie sings like poo, but
you can always listen to those two words over and over and over again, and
feel comforted that these sacred sounds are OURS to keep.
I subscribed to the Sha na na list about a month ago because I needed a little
more smut in my life.  I got scared and unsubbed the next day.

What's happened to the Monday Poetry Parrot??  Who's next?  Here's my poem:
"Rhoda stinks.
I don't know why everyone thinks
that it is a good song;
It lasts too long.
It was my wish,
that it would not sound like pish."

Thank you [takes a bow], I devised that one in less than a minute..  more to
come if nobody continues with the Poetry Parrot tradition!  So start looking
for those poems!!

Tami xxxx  

In my CD player:  "Honey's Dead" by JAMC
(Actually it's not.  It was just a sorry attempt at humor..)  





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From Jeni_Morton at xxx.com  Mon Jan  4 23:23:50 1999
From: Jeni_Morton at xxx.com (Jeni Morton)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:23:50 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Back from Crimbo Break
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Umm, hello all.....I'm back on the list, back to work...back to my boring little
life In Los Angeles...(sorry if I posted to the list when i re-subscribed!)

So here are some ink Polaroid's from the last 3 weeks.....
(Ha ha, clever photographer I am!)

This first one is of me standing anxiously awaiting my boyfriends arrival at the
LAX customs area.....I've got this very stressed look on my face, both hands in
my mouth as I try not to bite my well manicured nails.....I see him coming
around the corner with the loads of other passengers coming from Heathrow....

The next is of my face glowing, pressed into my boy's chest as we hug
tightly...were both glowing, despite his exhaustion and jetlag......

These next few are of us playing in Vegas, jumping on our hotel room bed,
blowing our money, buying shoes, and not really caring because were together and
playing the nickel slots!

Then there are the ones of us at Disneyland...standing near The Pirates of The
Caribbean...you know where the pond is with all the ducks?  Were standing there
hugging, and I'm looking away at the ducks...pondering my life.....He's smiling
like a Cheshire cat, and looks like  he's going to explode with excitement as he
has never been to Disneyland.

Then there are the last ones of us at the beach, sitting on the Life Guard
Station hours before he's to fly back to England....my eyes are puffy and my
nose is red from hours of crying....his face is pale and eyes are red....I don't
like looking at these...they make me sad......so I keep them under my pillow.

The rest of my holiday was spent in my flat.....experimenting with my new Land
Camera, watching cartoons and cooking shows, figuring out how Beth's new Star
Wars battle game that I got her for Crimbo works, and plotting my escape....

I missed you all....

xo Photo Jeni xo
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From NeilD at xxx.uk  Mon Jan  4 17:42:26 1999
From: NeilD at xxx.uk (Neil Dewhurst)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:42:26 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: You've been away too long, it's lonely when you're gone
	.
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Well, well, well.  I forgot to unsubscribe while I was away, but it didn't
matter because I've just deleted 23 digests, collected over the past few
weeks, with a couple of swift mouse clicks. My summary glance at the content
of one or two revealed that nothing much had happened except that Mr
Mitchell has absconded.  I'll be watching crimewatch closely next time it's
on in case the charming 'M' makes an appearance.

The rest of the lists seemed to be filled with comments of a blindingly
obvious nature or a fundamentally incorrect nature.  To win an as yet
undecided upon prize, please complete the following tie-breaker in not more
than fifteen words-

"Recently, the sinister mailing list has gone downhill just a teensy-weensy
bit because..."

By the way, if you want to be offensive, don't email back to the list.

On a Bell-end Samaritan note, I would just like to add that...oh, what the
heck, I'll add it tomorrow.

Seasonal goodwill and all that bollocks.

Neil
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From bp224996 at xxx.edu  Tue Jan  5 00:32:27 1999
From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 19:32:27 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Unreleased Songs and Ink Polaroids
References: <85ffae14.369148c8@aol.com>
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TFertig3 at aol.com wrote:
> Talking about songs that sound like Felt!  Loneliness of a Middle Distance
> Runner, that song IS Felt.  There should be such things as copyrights of
> bands' sounds!  It's still a rather pleasant sounding song.  Stuey's high
> notes make it all worthwhile.

	Hm, I think if you'd heard the version with the twangy guitar
throughout the song instead of the organ you would think otherwise.
Personally I've always thought it sounded like the Smiths, and
absolutely nothing like Felt. Then again, the versions are different.
 
> First off... I don't like Rhoda!!  [brushes off tomato slop from my sweater]
> It's just not good, and I can't understand why everyone who's heard it thinks
> it's the most perfect, fantastic song around.  Tell me, please!  It's nice,
> that's the most I can say for it.

	I think that Erin (anyone seen her? I want to know if she got my
tape...) was the only one who ever thought the song was all that
wonderful. I think it is, as you say, nice but nothing amazing. Then
again, you must of course understand that music is not good or bad based
on more or less votes. I don't like it when bands don't release songs,
though, on principle. It's certainly not embarrassing, nor is it any
more pish than any other song they've written, especially Modern Rock
Lasts-too-long, er, Song. 
 
> On the other hand, those three wonderful, wonderful songs.  Pocketbook Angel,
> Hurley's Having Dreams,and London Has Let Me Down Again..  Oooooh they are
> simply extraordinary and keyboard-ilicious.  No songs have ever made me smile
> so widely and laugh because there's nothing left to do.  Especially the part
> that goes.. "Hurley dreamed of the time when he was a horse in
> Czechoslavakia..".  My dad's Czech, but he doesn't like Belle and Sebastian.
> So, my question is, for all you lucky bunnies who've heard these fantastic
> songs, why are they rated so low on the voting chart?  Oh there I go, my
> obsession with the voting chart has leaked out once again!  I think I can
> safely say that I am the only one in the world who has memorized my password
> to vote..  But really though, why aren't they number 1??

	Well, I think we covered this earlier... but I do happen to like those
songs a lot more than the average joe, or so it seems, especially
"Pocketbook Angel." Though, technically these are not indeed unreleased
B&S songs, are they? As I understand it, they're demos from Stuart M
himself before the formation of the band. There is certainly a 4-track
one-man-band quality to them, but I for one find it charming. The
double-tracked vocals, for example, instead of Stevie or Isobel singing
backup. Not that I don't prefer Stevie or Isobel, just that it's
interesting for a change.
	I actually wrote an ink polaroid last night without the intention of
sending it to the list. I just wrote it for myself, and kept it. It was
really quite pleasant to have done so. I suppose the idea of doing a
diary never really appealed to me. The whole "Dear Diary, Let me tell
you, Kevin is a snot, and I have the biggest crush on Bobby Wilhelms!"
aspect of it. But somehow capturing writings like the light captured on
film appeals to me so much more. It's as if, I don't really care so much
of my thoughts on a given day, but to preserve a moment in time is
something I am attracted to. Now I suppose I need an "Ink Photo Album."
Whatever happened to that person who was going to do an Ink Polaroid
page with all the ones ever posted on the list?
	Oh yes, and the chap who was writing the ink polaroid about his smoking
habit. Erm, it wasn't bad or anything, but it wasn't really an ink
polaroid, you know? Like an ink polaroid is a description of a real or
imagined photograph, yes? And yours was just a description of something
that happened to you. Not that it's invalid or anything, it's just not
an ink polaroid.
	I was thinking today. I read some list mail while waiting on a
professor to get back from lunch, and I was thinking how I'm much
happier with the list right now than I was, say, 3 weeks ago. What
happened? Anyway, I think someone should tell Keith and Beth to come
back, unless some drastic changes occur... 
 
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From tinystar at xxx.com  Tue Jan  5 05:17:02 1999
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:17:02 -0500
Subject: Sinister: she threw him on the ground with judo
Message-ID: <003601be386a$bbfd96c0$501e05d1@tinystar>


bonjour,

firstly,

>>the carbon monoxide detector keeps going off in my house but my mum
thinks the basement looks too messy to have anyone over, so she said
she'll wait for one of the cats to die so she knows its serious and then
she'll call someone.<<

oh.my.god. is my mother, like, doing some sort of shared parenting thing?
because we desperately need to get our ducts cleaned (i'm sure it's the
reason for my super environmental sensitivity, plus the reason i'm all
sniffly at home and get miraculously better when i go stay someplace else,
even a place with cats or animals with fur that you'd think would stuff me
up, but they don't) and she refuses to call someone in because my room is
"too embarassing", apparently, like i'm some sort of crazy art experiment
that malfunctioned. i'm not sure how sick i'll have to be before something
is done, but i'm dealing with a vicks humidifier and a heater and nothing
has been done yet. i like to think that my room is tastefully decorated.
this seems like an appropriate time to insert an ink polaroid of myself in
my room:

the reason i'm hanging over the end of my bed, the headboard sticking into
my ribs, is because my pile of magazines has fallen off the edge and slipped
underneath some clothes...wallpaper* and jane and minx and my "standards of
excellence" flute theory book are all wedged somehow underneath my bed, and
my arm is flailing back in an odd way because i'm simultaneously trying to
keep myself from plunging headfirst into a pair of japanese-ish thong
sandals and a vicious looking milk crate that holds my notebooks. that's a
vogue flying through the air, if i'm not mistaken, and i'm feeling a little
embarassed because even though pants that sit low on the hips are good for
showing a little belly, they're not so good for leaning-over-the-bed
photos...my underwear is peeking out over the waistband.

so my room seems like a fairly typical "tortured genius" sort of room, i
think, rather than simply cluttered. it's not messy, though. i keep things
totally clean. i just have a lot of stuff, especially magazines (they're my
real obsession, i'll read any magazine i can get my hands on and once i even
snuck one from the health club i used to work at), and it's hard to organize
everything when magazines are towering everywhere.


all this talk of pocketbook angel, keeps making me think of gram parsons,
which i'm fully aware is grievous angel, but i still associate any sorts of
songs about angels with sweet, sad gram. poor guy, that one big album mocked
inconsiderately by the alternakids in the record stores, not realising that
gram is ten times the man stinky marilyn manson is, and not even half as
controversial (at least, not immediately to parents. if they have any
questions about drugs, though, you may have to lie a little) but way way
sweeter and able to touch that chord that b+s do. and the talk about rhoda
makes me think of mary tyler moore, probably everyone else does too but it's
neat how ideas pop into my head with just the one word, and try as i might
they keep appearing and i get sidetracked.

and can you believe how much of a fuss is being made over a little snow? i'm
in toronto, and even seasoned canadians are taken aback by this amount of
snow. and in the states? in buffalo, there was a travel ban today.
puh-lease, *travel ban*? how wimpy is that, saying that you can't go out
because of some snow. just put on those scary backwoods kamik boots and suck
it up. i'm going to make some snow angels tomorrow (gram parsons again), it
does require planning because i'd like to get inside right after and dry out
my pants.

what's the deal with john peel putting mogwai's "xmas steps" on the festive
50? out of all the songs, why would he pick that one? it's much less
structured than their others, i think, and that's not in a good way. it sort
of meanders a little too much. on the other hand, "small children in the
background" is superduper, any song off that epee other than the one he
chose. b+s, awright! but perhaps they should be docked points for not using
names like cpt. meat in their album booklets like mogwai do. just imagine,
stuart "cpt. meat" murdoch? and isobel "t+a" campbell? stuart "this is pish"
david? stevie "action" jackson? chris "mama's boy" geddes?

mmm, neo citran.do not mix with nyquill.

loving smooches,
jessicaxo

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From tourajsig2 at xxx.com  Tue Jan  5 10:15:34 1999
From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:15:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: she threw him on the ground with judo
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---jessica <tinystar at worldy.com> wrote:
 
> what's the deal with john peel putting mogwai's "xmas steps" on the
festive
> 50? out of all the songs, why would he pick that one? it's much less
> structured than their others, i think, and that's not in a good way. 

That's as maybe, but Peel doesn't actually pick the chart himself -
it's voted for (by postcard and, this year, through the BBC web-site)
by his adoring band of listeners.  Occasionally, in fits of seasonal
pique most becoming to a chap of his advanced maturity, he axes the
chart altogether and there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth
amongst the brethren.

A selection of Festive 50s stretching back to before most of you were
bleedin' well born can be found at:

http://web.pncl.co.uk/~rocklist/festive50.htm

You can hum all those old Fall favourites as you scan the lists...

Mike.

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Jan  5 10:49:36 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:49:36 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines
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Well, you all seem to have had very exciting festive seasons. I'm
particularly impressed with Fluffy's impersonation of Damien Omen III
in Preston. You see, I was right about the Heavenly Creatures
connection, even if it did result in me smelling of wee.

Tag, even though you're perfect, I have a New Year's Resolution that
could make you (an everyone else) that little bit more perfect. It's
quite simple. You just renounce the pleasures of saying "yes" and
"no". Instead, you say "indeed" and "on the contrary". I got this
fantastic idea from "Sense and Sensibilty" starring list favourite
Kate Winslett. Top-ho! I see that Mick McMick has already started:

    > Sorry to dissappoint, but hell, isn't it a beautiful song?

    Indeed, it is.

See what jolly fun it is?

The Delgados are folk as fuck, no one in the history of the world has
ever experienced the Beatles secondhand, they play it to you in the
womb, I am very excited about the existence of Denim demos....erm, I
can't think of anything else. There's been plenty lately, but I've
forgotten. I think Mrs Murdoch was Mr Murdoch pretending to be his
wife for a laugh. Instead of fantastic Cuban music I've got a bloody
stupid credit note. I am re-reading "In the Fascist Bathroom" by Greil
Marcus and it's got bigger words than "Young and Foolish". One of the
biggest words , which had me scurrying for the dictionary, is
"solipsism", which I shall use with relish from now on. Duke, your
solips is falling out! The last time I read this book I ended up
borrowing a Bruce Springsteen album. It's got some funny bits (the
book) such as (and I paraphrase) "The highlight of this record is the
sound of a phone ringing, and it isn't even on the record". Well, I
laughed anyway.

What a shit message. The list's nails without Keith, even though it's
been quite good lately. My challenge for the day is to listen to the
Lee Perry box set without a break. And to do some work. Do you know
where Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee had a fight? I do.

Sister Disco Sucks

PS: Hello Paul. What did naughty Leonard say?

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From agmuwv.044 at xxx.it  Tue Jan  5 11:57:50 1999
From: agmuwv.044 at xxx.it (Marco Braca)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 12:57:50 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Dream#1
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Sinisters ,
i had a B&S's dream tonight.


It's a sultry day at the height of summer ; I am at home and i read in a
paper that Elliot Smith and Cinerama will do a concert in a small pub of
Bologna tonight.
Full of happiness i call my girlfriend with this words :
-" Let pack one's suitcase ".
........TRANSPORTATION.......we walk along a Bologna's road , 5 days
later.
Suddenly i realize that i didn't see the concert.
I hear people whisper togheter 'bout the gig.
With one's eye's turned towards the sky ,  suddenly  someone slap me on
the back.
My mother!!!!!     She tells me :
-" Why did you not come to the gig?      I was here!!! "
And then :
-" You know Marco , during the concert played another band.........."
At this moment she takes my guitar and start to play/sing " Sleep The
Clock Around "( with Stuard ' s voice) ; she says : -" this was one of
the songs that the band played at the end of the show!!!
      I start crying with rage.

Then ........................................   I wake up!!!!!!!

Saluti,
Marco#7.

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From fatslug at xxx.com  Tue Jan  5 12:15:52 1999
From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 05:15:52 -0700
Subject: Sinister: I spelt out B-L-O-W-space-M-E
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Oh the dilemma, come in to work on Monday after a couple of weeks
away and there's these two little voices in my head.

One sounds earnest and is dressed up as an angel called Clarence.
Clarence is saying "Work, work, got to work."

The other voice sounds more fun, is dressed up as Jessica in a
red silk devil costume with a bottle of whisky in her hand, and
is murmuring "Read the sinister digests, you know you want to."

Alas, Monday was spent in your company dear sinisterees, am I weak?

And now it's Tuesday and the Jessica-Devil voice has not yet finished
with me.  Listen, the voice is whispering "Forget work, post to
Sinister, post to Sinister" and the voice has tinny echoing quality,
as if coming from the bottom of the kitchen sink.

How can I resist?

So what are the wider issues of the day?

Pocketbook Angel?  That's my favourite.

The Pastels?  He can't sing for toffee, or am I missing something?

Regaling all with seasonal tales of drunken revelry?  Can't compete
there I'm afraid, too busy touring the country seeing friends and
relatives.  I did discover that New Mills in Derbyshire (a small
town on the side of a mountain with about three shops and the worst
pub in the world) has an internet cafe.  OK, so it was closed, but
it was a pretty unlikely discovery all the same.

Trousers' Papercuts sinisterzine?  Get it while you can.

The demise of the tape tree?  Sorry folks, I've been slacking, I'll
do my best to sort it out soon.

FluffySarah the bringer of bad luck?  You didn't turn up at half-time
to cheer on Preston against Arsenal yesterday did you Sarah?

What's that Clarence?  Yes Clarence, I know.  Sorry folks, Clarence
insists that I have to go and do some work now.

Kevan
The Fat Slug


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From A.Ward at xxx.uk  Tue Jan  5 14:17:53 1999
From: A.Ward at xxx.uk (Anne Ward)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 14:17:53 +0000
Subject: Sinister: You can always get it on the buses
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Hello Peeps

Happy new year! I've been brought out of hiding to report what kerazy japes
some of those Sinisterines were up to over the festive season. God knows
they were all too razzed to remember anything themselves, especially that
Chris Leonard. I'm not entirely sure what he said to poor Honey Paul, but
it broke my phone and jammed the telephonic network after the bells. It
sounded largely obscene so it's no wonder they've both been so quiet of
late. I imagine Honey is too distressed to speak and young Christopher is
probably still drunk. Still, it was a very entertaining evening. Tag and
Chris made everyone stop partying and listen to David Bowie making that
"funny noise". They looked like they were going to do some kind of
formation dancing, like that dance you do to Tiger Feet, then collapsed
into hysterics. It *was* a very funny noise though. 

Keith proclaimed that 1999 was going to be the year. The year for what I
don't know as he didn't expand on that. Hopefully for coming back and
telling more Who stories. As the party went on it transpired that everyone
is a huge ELO fan, which was a bit frightening. The only B&S content was
when a B&S cover star stoated in the door and shouted "Get that shit off"
on hearing Simple Things.

Tag and Pumpkinny-Wumpkinny sloped off early to respectively, streak in
front of, and be rude to, unsuspecting B&S members. If their new record
takes a radical new direction you'll know what's happened. It's the shock.
The next day we sat and watched Carry On At Your Convenience and On the
Buses - the movie, which is Peter Miller's fave prog of all time,
apparently. Watching it was just like having him there in the room. I know
for a fact he loves to put laxatives in lady bus drivers' tea so they are
hilariously "caught short" in country lanes and have to go and shit in the
woods causing the vicar on the top deck to have a heart attack. Good work
Mr Miller!

Yesterday I went to see the Acid House. God, it was depressing.
Particularly that middle story. It was one of those films that made me very
upset about my life, despite the fact that everyone in the film was having
a much worse time than I could ever have. There's a Pastels song in it
though, one of their better ones, for anyone that hasn't heard them. It
sounds like it's at the wrong speed, but they all sound like that.

That's all the news anyway. It's really crap being back at work and I need
some good stories to cheer me up. Did Mrs Murdoch have a good new year? I
do hope so, as she sounds like a super lady. Is the person who made the
Praise You video really on this list or is that another wind-up? It's dead
good anyway, if you are, especially the bit where Spike Jonze says he's
going to do his b-boy moves and does the dying fly. Is there break dancing
in the B&S video?

Love
Anne
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From AlhOasis at xxx.com  Tue Jan  5 05:25:29 1999
From: AlhOasis at xxx.com (AlhOasis at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:25:29 EST
Subject: Sinister: she threw him on the ground with judo
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In a message dated 1/5/99 12:13:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tinystar at worldy.com writes:

<< >>the carbon monoxide detector keeps going off in my house but my mum
 thinks the basement looks too messy to have anyone over, so she said
 she'll wait for one of the cats to die so she knows its serious and then
 she'll call someone.<<
 
<< oh.my.god. is my mother, like, doing some sort of shared parenting thing?
 because we desperately need to get our ducts cleaned (i'm sure it's the
 reason for my super environmental sensitivity, plus the reason i'm all
 sniffly at home and get miraculously better when i go stay someplace else,
 even a place with cats or animals with fur that you'd think would stuff me
 up, but they don't) and she refuses to call someone >>

i guess all our parents are concerned equally, because at our house the carbon
monoxide detector going off annoyed them so much they took the batteries out,
and tried to get me to believe it "went away'. ha. we never did get it checked
out, but none of us has dropped dead yet so i guess its ok...who knows.
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From koogydelbbog at xxx.com  Tue Jan  5 09:29:33 1999
From: koogydelbbog at xxx.com (andrew dean)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 01:29:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: re: she threw him on the ground with judo
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jessica:
>what's the deal with john peel putting mogwai's "xmas steps" on the
>festive 50? out of all the songs, why would he pick that one? it's
>much less structured than their others, i think, and that's not in a
>good way. it sort of meanders a little too much. on the other hand,
>"small children in the background" is superduper, any song off that
>epee other than the one he chose.

ah, maybe i should've pointed out that it wasn't peel that chose the
festive fifty but his listeners. everyone got to vote for three songs
and the top fifty were broadcast. he also mentioned that the delgados
single at number 1 got twice the votes of the mogwai song at number 2.

(nice post btw jessica)

andy

still hurting over the fact that holidays have to finish, girlfriends
have to fly back home, work on things i don't know the first thing
about has to restart, overloud co-workers have to be endured, butthead
flatmates have to be murdered in their beds, steve lamacq must die...
==
andrew dean (koogydelbbog at yahoo.com)


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From WarranderJ at xxx.uk  Tue Jan  5 12:15:08 1999
From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:15:08 -0000
Subject: Sinister: I spit on your grave
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Hi All,

Does it surprise anybody that Peter Miller reads books by
respected, knowledgeable pop critics like Greil Marcus?

>I am re-reading "In the Fascist Bathroom" by Greil
>Marcus and it's got bigger words than "Young and Foolish".

Is that the one that claims punk was a modern pop incarnation
of Dadaism or some other wanky shite like that? Greil Marcus
"performed" (or whatever authors do) one of them in-store reading
things once and claimed this. Instead of the assembled crowd
mobbing him and beating him to a pulp, some other wankers
starting saying things like "on the contrary, I would much rather
the punk bands were viewed as the impressionists of their time".
Of course they used much more clever and obscure movements
than Impressionism but I'm a philistine and can't think of any. I
wanted to say "punk was about spitting on wankers like you" then
spit on them all. Deep down though, I'm just a big coward. So I
didn't. I did get some free wine though.

>One of the biggest words , which had me scurrying for the
>dictionary, is "solipsism"

I scurried to my missus for this one, confident she wouldn't know.
And she bloody well did. A bloody walking dictionary that woman.
Who also corrects grammar over your shoulder. A very annoying
habit. Now that I know what "solipsism" means, it does beg the
question, in what context was it used? Nothing to do with Sean
Dickinson by any chance?

Anyway, back to Greil. He refused to sign a book written by
Lester Bangs for some reason. Maybe it's because Lester was a bit
of a poof and couldn't make it all the way through Half Japanese's
debut triple album "Half Gentlemen/Not Beasts" without a break.
This from a man who "debunked technique" and probably
listened to lots and lots of horrible noises. I strongly suspect he'd
have made it through the Lee Perry box set without a break.

>Do you know where Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee had a fight? I do.

I don't, but I think Bruce Lee may have been Phil Spector's
bodyguard. Is this true? I'd like to think it is. I'll bet Greil Marcus
would
know. I don't.

Cheerio chums,
Love...John
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From hynesdj at xxx.ie  Tue Jan  5 15:34:21 1999
From: hynesdj at xxx.ie (Declan and Noren Hynes)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:34:21 -0000
Subject: Sinister: wide eyed
Message-ID: <01BE38C0.FC67F420.hynesdj@iol.ie>


hallo, salutations, greetings.
     firstly:
 P.J. Miller claims that the delegados are "folk as fuck", have you heard 
"domestiques"??!!
 i wouldn't class that as folk in ANY alternative dimension.
... i really must buy the new album and check out what all these folk 
claims are about.
  the songs on the john peel 50, well, they seem alot better than irelands 
version of it, Fannings Fab 50 which usually consists of the first 20 being 
Oa**s, and the rest some other lick arse shite, oh, but he throws in a few 
"alternative" tunes for us musos to squabble over. so, people of great 
britain, appreciate what you have! even if it is a balding middle-aged man 
with a funny voice.
 wasn't someone asking about decent venues here in dublin? well, it can 
depend on the time of year. But the mean fiddler, the red box, eamon 
dorans, whealens all play good music generally, i saw a flyer for "fibber 
magees" the other day, with loadsa decent bands on it, but i've heard 
things about that pub, so i'd stay away if i were you. also keep an eye out 
for any gigs on in the temple bar music centre (on thursdays theres a good 
club here), the olympia, the sfx, and that new vicar street one which i 
haven't tried yet, it's all seated, but you're supposed to be able to see 
the stage from every seat.
 now i've done my helpful deed for the day, i don't care if i get a 
lambasting over disagreements on the quality of the venues, i'm only being 
nice!
  ohh, outside right now, one side of the sky is light grey, and the other, 
dark, mean, murky, and looking pretty sinister. wish it'd snow here, i want 
to see a fox run in the snow.
  does anyone agree with the theory that vibes you pick up during the day 
can be converted into dreams? i'm usually a pretty well-adjusted 
individual, but last night i had a dream, which was sort of like a quentin 
tarintino film. There was a downstairs club on fire, looting, petrol bombs, 
and a small puppy had been implanted with a microphone, then when it had  
 done the spying for the bad guy, he hung it with a stethescope off an 
office lamp, and there were all these weird close ups. my mum is pretty 
stressed at the moment, and i think i had the sort of dream she should be 
having. the other theory could be that we swapped dreams.
i just made a belle and sebastian tape for a friend, i hope thats another 
convert i can check off on my list.
thats enough of me for now
finn
by the way, was anyone here at the belle and sebastian, manchester town 
hall gigs about a year ago? was it really the way the NME described it?


 

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From rap101 at xxx.uk  Tue Jan  5 15:42:15 1999
From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:42:15 +0000 ()
Subject: Sinister: xmas pants and le session noir
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urgh, it just took me 3 tries to type 'sinister'. this is what happens
when you dabble in filthy foreign languages (italian in my case) and
forget how to talk english proper.

anyway, i'm back, though as lots of other people are too, and lots
more people never even went away, i don't expect anyone to be that
bothered.

chucking some b&s content in early (lest i forget and am spanked for
it):

 numero uno - i nearly wet my (new xmas) pants in HMV at their
'HMV reccommends: metal' display. underneath marilyn manson was
TBWTAS. in the metal section! underneath marilyn manson! someone on
the staff clearly has a sense of humour, or just assumed that anyhting
mentioning an arab strap was satanic thrash filth. fantastic.

numero due: heard the black sessions on radio one last night. simply
divine. but was that the whole thing? 15 minutes? if not i would have
been all for scrapping the news (and the manic street preachers come
to that) and pushing on through the night with b&s.

while i think of it, anyone who knows stuff about italian
literature especially carlo levi, natalia ginzburg and ignazio silone
tell me evrything before thursday. i have ways of making you talk and
if no-one helps me i may fail my exam. no pressure.

i'm suffering from Offspring in the head too. nasty.

xmas and new year were very quiet down my way, and lesley jo will be
pleased to hear that i didn't get drunk on new year, but stood outside
york minster trying to locate people i knew until an inebriated person
fell of a signpost on top of me. he was pretty fly (for a white guy).
NOT! meanwhile, i missed the sinister gathering in brighton. i feel
sad about that, but i don't expect i would have enhanced proceedings
greatly.

what else have i done? lots of thinking about the future, horribly
enough. i think i might move to london to fulfil my poetic destiny
(being a member of the poetry society and not living in london you
feel kind of out of touch) and have a love child with Trousers. not
the most practical of my possible plans, but hey. maybe i'll work on
the buses instead...

here's to a millenium of fakers.

luv archel xxx 
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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Tue Jan  5 16:28:31 1999
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (Megan)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:28:31 +0300
Subject: Sinister: breathe the air and walk around
Message-ID: <004301be38d1$8946ee40$394302c3@lehard>


yesterday, in a fit of pique and having a large number of emails to write, i
did not send a message to you lot.  were you lost and alone in the cold
cruel world?  i choose to believe so.  mr. miller, i saw pride and prejudice
(5 hour miniseries thank you, and i loved every minute of it so ha!) and a
david mamet movie, so my speech has become something of a clipped stagey
talk with lots of proper terms used.  and how is mrs miller?  and the young
millers?  the goats?  that's good.

i'm not sure where that was going, so i just left it at that before i get
myself into some real trouble.  anyway, today was a beautiful day.  it was
all pretty snowy and the sky was white and the ground was white and the
trees had a dark skeletal structure that seemed to be the only thing
breaking the monotony.  it looked pretty, even though my little description
there seems a bit ambiguous.  sigh.

when in doubt, talk shit about other list people.  so now we all want to
know what exactly chris leonard said to paul.  however, it's quite possible
he'll never be able to tell us assuming is was so naughty that honey sent
him a sneaky little virus in the disguise of a sinister digest that's a
picture of a happy bee buzzing around a honey pot that repeatedly says "talk
bollocks to me will ya?  why i oughta..."  i need things to amuse me.
earlier today i was playing some really neat video games, the arcade culture
is alive and well in moscow.  you know, i bet there is someone else on this
list in moscow who is keeping silent about it in order to remain safe from
me.  well YOU CAN'T HIDE FOREVER.  you'll never know where i am, right
around the corner, next to you in a bread line, speeding by on the metro.
i'm everywhere, elusive and invulnerable.  and delirious.  time for me to
speed off on my super secret racing machine (the like of which is
incomprehensible to mere mortals).

xoxox
megan

"the like of which is incomprehensible to mere mortals."
                                                - jane austen,
_pride_and_prejudice_

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From pants at xxx.com  Tue Jan  5 18:34:45 1999
From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:34:45 -0800
Subject: Sinister: breathe the air and walk around
In-Reply-To: <004301be38d1$8946ee40$394302c3@lehard>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990105103445.00a11920@mail.hooked.net>


did anyone else get a sponge bath for X-mas?
or "Infinite Jest" by DF Wallace?

I thought I'd send a short message as a counter
to all the long ones people usually send.

senor droolcup

At 07:28 PM 1/5/99 +0300, Megan wrote:
>
>yesterday, in a fit of pique and having a large number of emails to write, i
>did not send a message to you lot.  were you lost and alone in the cold
>cruel world?  i choose to believe so.  mr. miller, i saw pride and prejudice
>(5 hour miniseries thank you, and i loved every minute of it so ha!) and a
>david mamet movie, so my speech has become something of a clipped stagey
>talk with lots of proper terms used.  and how is mrs miller?  and the young
>millers?  the goats?  that's good.
>
>i'm not sure where that was going, so i just left it at that before i get
>myself into some real trouble.  anyway, today was a beautiful day.  it was
>all pretty snowy and the sky was white and the ground was white and the
>trees had a dark skeletal structure that seemed to be the only thing
>breaking the monotony.  it looked pretty, even though my little description
>there seems a bit ambiguous.  sigh.
>
>when in doubt, talk shit about other list people.  so now we all want to
>know what exactly chris leonard said to paul.  however, it's quite possible
>he'll never be able to tell us assuming is was so naughty that honey sent
>him a sneaky little virus in the disguise of a sinister digest that's a
>picture of a happy bee buzzing around a honey pot that repeatedly says "talk
>bollocks to me will ya?  why i oughta..."  i need things to amuse me.
>earlier today i was playing some really neat video games, the arcade culture
>is alive and well in moscow.  you know, i bet there is someone else on this
>list in moscow who is keeping silent about it in order to remain safe from
>me.  well YOU CAN'T HIDE FOREVER.  you'll never know where i am, right
>around the corner, next to you in a bread line, speeding by on the metro.
>i'm everywhere, elusive and invulnerable.  and delirious.  time for me to
>speed off on my super secret racing machine (the like of which is
>incomprehensible to mere mortals).
>
>xoxox
>megan
>
>"the like of which is incomprehensible to mere mortals."
>                                                - jane austen,
>_pride_and_prejudice_
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From jaygatsby at xxx.com  Tue Jan  5 20:22:01 1999
From: jaygatsby at xxx.com (Sean McVeigh)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 15:22:01 -0500
Subject: Sinister: 3.6.9. Seconds of Light
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990105152201.0088b180@mail.geocities.com>


I have an extra copy of the CD ep of 369 Seconds of Light.  If you would
like to buy it for 9 bucks, including shipping within the US, email me
privately.  I love this band!
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From stray4f at xxx.net  Tue Jan  5 19:49:46 1999
From: stray4f at xxx.net (999)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 15:49:46 -0400
Subject: Sinister: You can always get it on the buses
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 Is the person who made the
>Praise You video really on this list or is that another wind-up? It's dead
>good anyway, if you are, especially the bit where Spike Jonze says he's
>going to do his b-boy moves and does the dying fly. Is there break dancing
>in the B&S video?
>
>Love
>Anne
>xxx
 
I shot footage for that video, along with Lance Accord and Roman Coppola. 
Roman did the editing and steered the whole piece as it's director, and
Spike came up with the original prank and choreographed the dancers (yes,
unbelievably enough, that was choreagraphed.)  Originally Spike made a video
for "rockafeller skank" on his own with Accord shooting on camcorder,
dancing in front of Mann's Chinese theatre on a weekend night last
spring/early summer.  As they didn't bother to get release forms from any of
the bystanders, the label decided to restage the video using "praise you"
but have a dozen friends and production assistants swoop in to get releases
from everyone when the dance was over.  Spike trained a bunch of
off-off-off-off Hollywood dancers, and we jumped out of cars and set it up
in front of a Westwood movie theatre showing "pleasantville" opening night
last october.  Usher/manager types kept coming out to turn off Spike's
radio, but he kept restarting it.  There is an edited version of the video
for the U.S. that isn't quite as long or funny as the European version
airing now.  Norman Cook appears sort of milling about in the crowd and
dropping off a tip for Spike.
    There is no break dancing in the current form of the "dirty dream"
video.  There is perhaps a momment of Peanuts-character side to side dancing
by a girl in blue plastic pants.
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From clarence at xxx.com  Wed Jan  6 02:55:40 1999
From: clarence at xxx.com (Clarence Tsui, Hong Chee)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:55:40 +0800 
Subject: Sinister: TWATTYBUS similarity in Tindersticks
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Dear all,

In terms of the recent span of Tindersticks-related mail here, may I suggest
something that relates to both the Sticks and B&S.

Those who like the sentiments of Modern Rock SOng should definitely tune in
to the duet between STuart Staples and Isabella Rossellini (yes, that
Isabella Rossellini) on their Donkeys compilation ..... the way Stuart moans
"Oh I am hurting.... oh I am hurting" while Isabella chortles "Stop this
lament! It couldn't be all that sad" is just moment of the year.

Ta da darlings

Clarence
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From evanbear at xxx.com  Wed Jan  6 05:09:54 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 00:09:54 -0500
Subject: Sinister: TWATTYBUS similarity in Tindersticks
References: <01D4225AECD3D011A53600805F9A205857CBC3@MAIL_SERVER_TP>
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reminds me of the song quoted in my sig
boy singing:
"yesterday i was feeling fine"
girl singing:
" i dont believe you"

repeated and elaborated
i love that song, voice is prolly too droll and deep and groany for many
B&S fans but perty violin parts and spiffy little synth parts kinda like
secret stars
----Ev
np-True Love Always-When Will You Be Mine?
-- -----------------------------------------------------

I was happy when I put my new record on
But I was sad as I listened to it all alone
---"Feeling Fine" by Class

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http://www.angelfire.com/ma/dixiecluck

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From L.Kerr at xxx.uk  Wed Jan  6 12:25:47 1999
From: L.Kerr at xxx.uk (Linda Kerr)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:25:47 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Re: Those magnificent men on the buses
Message-ID: <199901061224.MAA10248@punt1.hw.ac.uk>


Sister Disco breathed:

>PS: Hello Paul. What did naughty Leonard say?

I didn't want to embarass Captain Leonard further, but this is a true 
account, and what the hell..

Arrived back from the fireworks (viewed from a car, drinking tea from 
a flask - everyone say awwwww), to find that someone had tried to 
access our answering machine remotely, no doubt using a beer bottle 
to dial.  Further investigation revealed a drunken message in which 
frankly unjustified insults were punctuated with "God bless you" and 
"All the best".  A following phone call from the revellers indicated 
Tag to be suprisingly sober and charming.  Chris, on the other hand, 
on being told off by me for his language :), protested "I thought you 
liked it that way"  and that I was a saint.  He repeated the 
classic drunken insults/maudlin sentiments for a few minutes before 
promising to come and see us.  He later, I am told, was seen 
wandering around bewailing that Miss Julia had left him and chucked 
him, when she in fact had only gone to another party - a fact he 
already knew.  Keith was, seemingly, fairly sober, although further 
examination revealed that he thought that he had left the answer 
machine message.  He must have had some hand in the process tho', 
complaining bitterly that "some woman kept talking to me" .

A top time was had by all obviously, sorry we couldn't be there.

Chris *is* a nice bloke tho - he brought us presents two days later.  
Guilty conscience no doubt.

St Linda
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From Keytapes at xxx.com  Wed Jan  6 12:46:43 1999
From: Keytapes at xxx.com (Keytapes at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:46:43 EST
Subject: Sinister: re: Tindersticks, Migala, & promo
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     Hello, all.  Since on the subject, any Tindersticks follower would
certainly enjoy Migala.  They're from Madrid and have a couple cd's out on
Acuarela.  The newest release, "Asi duele un verano" is superb.  In fact,
Stuart David (I believe) mentioned in one of the Brit press interviews, that
Migala is his favorite new band.  Also, Migala is the featured group on the
new Keyhole compilation (3 bands-3 songs a piece) due out beginning of March.
Email privately for more info, if you should like.
--------Michael from Keyhole Records
P.S. Has anyone heard the soundtrack the T-sticks did for the film "Nenette &
Boni"?
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From L.Kerr at xxx.uk  Wed Jan  6 13:30:44 1999
From: L.Kerr at xxx.uk (L. Kerr)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:30:44 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Wee Chris
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.990106132409.4759B-100000@torduff.hw.ac.uk>


	I saw you.....

in Waterstone's in Edinburgh, just before Christmas.

You : wee, with Joe 90 glasses, wispy hair and a checked jacket, looking 
through the Discography of the 20th Century

Me : furtive thirty-something, sloping past you, notices excitedly that
you are looking, vainly, at the entries under "B" 

awwwww

Linda

P.S. I thought reporting this might start a highly
undesirable trend, and ruin what little privacy they have left !!!! but I
couldn't keep it to myself...... 






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From johnj at xxx.com  Wed Jan  6 17:41:47 1999
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Johnston)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:41:47 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: Sinister poems
Message-ID: <B187481CB498D111BDF200C0F017CB92197934@mailgate.digitalpeople.com>


No i haven't been giving mouth to mouth to the Poetry Parrot. I merely
want to publicise the arrival of the poems that were sent in for
Charlotte Hall's 'impossible rhymes' competition. If you want to see
what the finest minds of a generation could come up with then check it
out

http://www.zigazigah.mcmail.com/sinister/orange.htm

Maybe the Poetry Parrot has succumbed to the winter cold or perhaps
migrated to the temperate climes of the sha-la-la list. Maybe it's
become Arts Critic for Trousers's mag. Could we ever find a
replacement... is that the waggly tale of the Poetry Puppy I see....or
the athletic leap of the Poetical Porpoise. If nobody finds the Poetry
Parrot I may have to don my shamanistic robes and animate one of these
crazy critters.

Must give further big ups to Mark Radcliffe's book Showbusiness - if you
like him you'll love the book - I had a delicious time on holiday
luxuriating in his fabulous self-deprecation and general printed Quality
Items. Can you belive he was once in Skrewdriver!

Cross-ply and Radial - don't mix them
John
xx

P.S. John Warrender - I'm wondering what FML stands for.. Full Metal
Lavvy is my guess
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Wed Jan  6 19:33:42 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:33:42 -0800
Subject: Sinister: chickfactor
Message-ID: <000c01be39ab$78bb8a60$5011020a@rebelstrange>


Yo sucka MC's,
just a note, sans my usual boring 'look at me ma no hands WHEEEEEEEEE'  to
let y'all know that I have finally transcribed the Isobel in chickfactor
interview and posted it on the wee world of  warships.   especially
dedicated to those abroad, as well as at home, who haven't  had the chance
to see this zine.  it's a very personable interview and worth reading if you
like B&S, in my opinion.  eventualy i'l have Sarah's article up as well, but
they're DAMN long and a bitch to type out.  but it's great as well and i'll
put it up when i get it done.
you can check ou the intvw at
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4967/chickf.html
as far as i know, anywya. i checked to make sure it uploaded right.
keep on  truckin,
 and remember, Slippery Slim's 100-proof Bitch-slappin Malt Licker reminds
you to drink responsibly. and try our new 40-ounce with a wide mouth Slam
Can.

lesleyjo
http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange
"I've just been shining this apple, and it looks so delicious, but i've
changed my mind. . .do you want to share it?"
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From Mark at xxx.com  Wed Jan  6 17:43:54 1999
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:43:54 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: faster than a speeding mullet
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The list seems ever so quiet, so for you all, a question.

I've been flicking through publishing catalogues, and I've noticed that many
publishing houses produce a genre known as belles-lettres. And it occurred
to me that I don't know what it means. Go on then, enlighten me, why
dontcha?

Apart from that, I thought that the partly welcome, partly saddening
sparseness of the list could be alleviated just a touch by a witty, funny
and profound letter. So I asked Rory to write one. Well, I didn't, actually,
but he does write such gorgeous words - exactly the kind of thing a rather
subdued and wistful Sinister list needs at the mo.

It also occurred to me that I finally got to go to Glasgow, and didn't go on
and on abut it here like I have done with to all my friends! I had a
wonderful time, largely to do with the loveliness of my laydee and her
chums, some of whom actively dislike Belle and Sebastian but it doesn't
matter cos they're great., and also because of the fantastic things I saw
and did in the European City of Architecture and Design (or something?)
1999, as well as some of its finest inhabitants (albeit part-time in certain
cases). Several tipsy hours were spent with the ever affable and winsome
Keith, his lovely girlfriend Ros (sp?), the radiant Julia and the evidently
criminally insane Chris, not to mention Calumn "the gyroscope" Shearer,
whose rejected fried rice gave me the strength to, erm, almost fall asleep
on new year's eve. 

I also got to see a pinch of the renowned Scottish scenery, visiting Loch
Ard in the freezing rain and spending most of it either in the safety of the
car or on my arse, teetering over the edge of a jetty, after foolishly
trying to run on the slipperiest surface known to man, namely a wooden pier
in the rain in winter. In Scotland. Oops. Nasty bruise, too. But yes, it is
even more beautiful than it looks - must be fantastic when the sun
shines...I also managed to have the squits for most of my holiday, which
lent things an extra sense of urgency, but you have to take the rough with
the smooth, if you'll pardon the expression...

I have piles of resolutions that I haven't even broken yet, but I won't bore
you with the obvious. Though if anyone knows any decent and cheap badminton
courts in south London, feel free to let me know...

I would like to point out that I did not resolve for 1999 to write to the
sinister list about myself in an extremely dull fashion. It just happens.

Big love to my homie Kristen,
kisses and curdles,
Mark xxx
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From pookie59 at xxx.com  Wed Jan  6 20:05:02 1999
From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 12:05:02 PST
Subject: Sinister: my thoughts,i confess,verge on dirty
Message-ID: <19990106200503.13883.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hi!


lesley jo wondered:
>my my, so many drunken escapades this new year.  this maybe a rude 
question,
>but why on earth do people drink until they throw up? please, i dont'
>understand!  i like the nice relaxing feeling, but i've never had the 
urge
>to just keep swallowing, after a while it begins to taste a little dull 
and
>i dont 'want anymore. 

well you know,you get to the point where you don't even know what you're 
tasting! i had a good new years..they all seem the same to me 
anyways,family,dog,booze,pervy family friends,new years kisses..i had 
some delicious fuzzy  navels and glava (or something) and kahlua and 
baileys and beer and wine...and then,some vitamin c's...my friends 
grandpa said if he was 20 he'd be chasing me round the haystack,that was 
my favourite new years moment :)this new years would be good for bowing 
down to the porcelaine god.. next one everyone's going to be shooting 
each other and you won't be able to enjoy the drunkenness...i'm scared 
of all those long-haired survivalist guys out in the deserts of America! 
why are they piling up so much ammo!and the women have beards too! why 
are they all angry? i saw them practicing self-defense on a dummy and 
it's frightenning they get too into it.. i was reading some of the new 
year's parties planned and my they do look fun! no way am i going to new 
york tho,no sireee...i want to go to Lapland,Sweden...no-one ever told 
me about the Ice Hotel,how dreamy!

Mr.Miller and his polite-speaking ways:
 I have a New Year's Resolution that
>could make you (an everyone else) that little bit more perfect. It's
>quite simple. You just renounce the pleasures of saying "yes" and
>"no". Instead, you say "indeed" and "on the contrary".

i think i would like to do this,and also say "but i digress" and 
"sundry" more often.

someone was aking if anyone else got 'Infinite Jest' for 
Christmas...hee...Christmas morning,my mum was like "oh look what your 
brother got you!" and I saw Infinite Jest and I was like "o,yay!" and 
then she's like 'no no,silly,in the tube' and inside the tube was a 
lovely b&s poster...! i did try and rent Infinite Jest from the library 
once,but combined with schoolbooks,way too heavy!

new year's resolutions:drink healthy teas and take more vitamins,read 
Jude The Obscure,read about different topics and countries so I will be 
more knowledgeable,try and learn/focus in math class,get a nice proper 
boyfriend..i wonder where? the art gallery and places like that?

do dexy's midnight runners have any other songs besdies Come On Eileen? 
are they as good as Come On Eileen? (i like how that guy says dirty) i 
got an HMV gift certifacte for x-mas,and those are the types of music 
you can buy in there,either that or the Lovin' Spoonful,i am 
undecided,but if i get the lovin' spoonful i will be more hip. (new 
year's resolution #8) ahhh no,school's back on tomorrow..i don't know 
how i will be able to adjust! i've been sleeping in and walking around 
in my pjs like hugh hefner till 3 in the afternoon.

ooh..cornation street's on! (tony's involved with drugs and gangs!)

new year's cheer
xxxGenevieve

p.s
(sorry to people i haven't be able to send emails too..brother has been 
around)

"Bitches are hustlers too,I thought you knew.I thought you knew."
-------- Stuart Murdoch












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From sarah at xxx.uk  Tue Jan  5 23:24:56 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:24:56 +0000
Subject: Sinister: aaaahhhhh......
In-Reply-To: <004301be38d1$8946ee40$394302c3@lehard>
References: <004301be38d1$8946ee40$394302c3@lehard>
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Hola my little lamp chops in mint sauce, mmmmmm.....

You'll be happy to know that all the people I know survived today
without inuries....apart from Ross falling off a chair... I suffered
severe disappointment when i couldn't find ANNA FRIEL on the markets
record stalls. Otherwise known as RAY OF LIGHT. I have decided I need
this song and must have it. I might even spend my heard earned HMV
tokens on it! Or I could hang round the market stalls losing ALL
credibilty earned by buying lotsa New Order and St Etienne and XTC and
Buzzcocks and Tamla goes Tijuana.... (yeah! ooh my cred be amazed hehe)
and keep bugging them for Madonna... yes, its a go project! it's a go
project! 

Nut-Meg-an wrote:

> i saw pride and prejudice
>(5 hour miniseries thank you, and i loved every minute of it so ha!) 

Only for that Colin some one or others tight wet pants I bet! Colin
Firth!! I don't fancy him, he's a right giffer. Just thank the lord you
didn't mention SENSE AND SENSIBLITY. I hate thhat fucking book! Basic
moral of the story, don't have any passion about anything, be all nice
and controlled and you might get to marry Edward Ferrars, and won't die
of fever induced by excess passions. Marianne only managed to get
hitched (which of course is a good thing, says Jane Austen who never
married and as far as I found out not even a long lasting relationship)
when she gave up her passions and married the old colonel bloke. I
LOATHE THAT BOOK!

Archel writed:

>while i think of it, anyone who knows stuff about italian
>literature

And...if anyone knows anything about SPANISH literature you can tell me
about it....especially el coronel no tiene que la escriba (or
something!! argh!) and, cronica de un muerte anuncia, because I HAVE
TRIED my bestes but I cannot make out the bloody Spanish. And it has
different words to the Spanish wot I know. Aranza come back soon and
teach me how to speak the basque language. It sounds good, and has lots
of xxxxx's in it. Welsh and Basque...yeah.....

OK, I'm Damien. I already got called Carrie in high school cos
apparently my eyes are "wierd and evil looking", and also the fact that
i wanted to kill them all anyway, doh! But, I am not Carrie and no-one
ever threw a bucket of blood all over me and my dad is a wierd church
person but not any more....stop digging yourself a hole sarah stop it...

lets try and get a song in the lists heads. 
"bom, bom bom" ("byah!") "bom, bom bom" ("bayah")
brackets denote backing vocals by the way.
Can you tell what it is yet?
If you can guess then thats a bit scary.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Fluffy Candarel
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From alix.campbell at xxx.net  Wed Jan  6 22:01:15 1999
From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:01:15 -0000
Subject: Sinister: beware the ghost with no hair
Message-ID: <006b01be39c0$257cea00$d0c3fad4@n2f9x2>


hola!

now, isn't it quiet here? this is bad, because when it is quiet i write and
i write an awful lot of bollocks. so i'll just tell you this instead.

i work in a tea room. how fucking twee is that? EH, EH? look, i've broken
out in capitals...um, anyway, tea room, right, it's really very nice indeed.
if you want tea ever and you happen to be in oxford, pop along to the king's
arms, and drink the lovely tea. it's not a 'true' tea room, just one in a
pub. which is handy for you alcoholics. there's food too....i recommend the
bagettes, perhaps with goats cheese, or brie, mayhap? i wouldn't touch the
game pie though....i may even be polite to you. i'm the one called 'alex' on
the till (real name - xerxes monster mash the third, sadly, this wouldn't
fit on the  electronic display affair)

.................oh, look, i managed to write a load of shit again

bye
love
alix

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"No, Patrick," Luis says. "They were . . . broiled"
It's silent in the boardroom as I contemplate this, thinking it through
before asking, finally,
"What's 'broiled,' Luis?"
"I'm not sure," he says. "I think it involves . . . a pan"

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From ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com  Wed Jan  6 22:21:05 1999
From: ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com (Ben Parker)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:21:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No subject
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Whats the best felt album to get...to get first...or at all...or
whatever? 



Anyone?



Things the new year has tought me so far:...Stay out of norwich on new
years eve, Nick Drake is quite nice, the first day back at work and
the new series of vic reeves aren't. But then you probably know that.



Thinking about spotting celeb's, well someone said about Alanis
Morressette (sic)the other day...I saw bruno brooks on the train to
manchester once. (Bit anticlimetic, i know). (Most of you wont know
who he is anyway, and most wont care.) Oh well. Me mate was on the
train once and the train driver actually announced on the speaker that
gary bushell was on board. 
Oh, the wonderous life we lead...

BeN



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From DIABLO6626 at xxx.com  Thu Jan  7 00:34:32 1999
From: DIABLO6626 at xxx.com (DIABLO6626 at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:34:32 EST
Subject: Sinister: bye!!!!!!!
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ahhhh! im going to have to leave the list for good now! (or at least until the
end of the week) because im grounded! come on...trying to jump out your window
into a huge pile of snow with your best friend isnt THAT bad....hehe. so ill
have to cancel out for a while. hey if anyone wants to trade anything for
elliott smith @ the metro (chicago) october 9 this year then just email me
(diablo6626) and we will set up a trade. but i should probably be going
now...im risking me life! im not supposed to be on!!!

xo,
jackie
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From brier at xxx.com  Thu Jan  7 02:33:55 1999
From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:33:55 -0800
Subject: Sinister: New Years Resolution
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Yes, finally, this New Year 1999 I decided to quit cold turkey.  I always
eat too much of it, especially after Thanksgiving.  And besides, it's just
as good hot, on a piece of bread with some gravy.

Wha?  What's that?  Oh, ooh, B&S content, oh yeah:  "3 6 9 Seconds" was my
least favorite EP, now it's my mostest favouritest.

brier, on the sofa hidden deep

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From sleeka_sounds at xxx.com  Thu Jan  7 09:07:36 1999
From: sleeka_sounds at xxx.com (Sleeka Sounds)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 01:07:36 PST
Subject: Sinister: Kinky Love!
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Hullo,

I wrote you all a letter the other day, but it still hasn't appeared, 
christ knows why, something to do with computers.  I know nothing about 
them.  Anyway, I'm trying again through the Corporation free email 
thing.  See below.

Christophur Leonard
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Letter:

Tag I apologise to you for forcing you to listen to David Bowie making a 
funny noise.  But not as much as I apologise to Anne for turning up in 
her flat in such a drunken state, making loud sweary noises down the 
phone.  Sorry Anne.  I'm terribly embarrassed.  To tell the truth Tag, 
I'm not sorry at all for the Bowie incident.  I'd have done the same 
sober, it's a very funny noise indeed.  But I am sorry Anne.  Sorry.

Now then, on Saturday me and miss julia went to visit Honey and Linda 
and he's still alive and talking to me, and he's an absolute stud of a 
girl.  We watched the Modern Rock Song video.  Oh dear.  I found it 
quite amusing, especially when the screen splits into two parts.  I 
hoped it would then split into 4 then 8 then 16 then 32 then 64 until it 
was a mosaic of Stuart's face, but it didn't at all.  But Sarah Martin 
made it didn't she, so it's great and so are v-twin and the singer in 
v-twin.  I mean it.

Linda showed us her fancy Christmas lights which have ten settings and 
cost thirty pounds.  And she showed us a picture of Oon's mum and dad. 
Sing love and respect to Oon and her king!  If you were here Oon, I'd 
give you a big hug, just cause.  But I'm a bit worried I'd break you, 
since you're so little and I'm so big.   Thailand looks nice, miles more 
interesting than Singapore.  Also I got to see the duke's book.  Is 
there a follow up yet?  If so I think you should have a competition for 
the title.  I noticed some well known listees made it into the book.  
I'm going to be in the next one by provoking some wisdom from the Duke.  
Duke, I've made it easy, you can cut and paste this bit below:

=========

Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 14:09:05 +0100
From: Christopher Alexander Leonard <cleonard at xxx.net>
Subject: Sinister: pop 

"Pop" or "pop"?  I'm lost.....

Yours,
  Chris from Balfron


===============

Excellent, Fluffy Starry Sarah:
>Who does the *ducks on a pond, ducks on a pond,
>very pretty swimming around* song please? I am fond of it.

God bless you Sarah.  It is the Incredible String Band.  Robin 
Williamson wrote it.   

Bye,
  Chris

P.S.  Did anyone else see Mick Cooke's understated performance as the 
hotel Bellboy in "Home Alone 2:  Lost in New York" the other night?  
Uncanny.

PPS.  It was Adrian Evans on the balcony with a Littlewoods catalogue. 

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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Thu Jan  7 09:48:59 1999
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:48:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: my thoughts,i confess,verge on dirty
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>do dexy's midnight runners have any other songs besdies Come On Eileen? 
>are they as good as Come On Eileen? 

You mean you havent heard the wonderous 'Geno'? Go out and listen to it at once, even if it means going to where Kevin Rowland lives and getting him to give you a solo rendition with acoustic guitar and hosepipe. It always seems strange that a band that is fairly successful in england has only one big hit in america and is never heard of again, although in Dexy's case it could be easily explained by Kevin's contrariness. The only reason i know it was their only US hit was that it was a joke on the simpsons. Thats where i get all my preconceptions about america (that was a semi-joke in case i start off another of those UK/US which-is-best arguments. The answer to that is we're both shite). 

In a B&S Stylee, i noticed last night that the start of each verse of 'slow graffitti' is exactly the same as that of 'the laughing gnome' or whatever its called by Dave Bowie of the Dave Bowie Band (Mark Radcliffe reference for the chap recommending his book. I too wholeheartedly say 'buy it now, it'll change your life, if only that you'll be reading that rather than something else').

Elliot Smith, he's good isn't he? I have nothing else to say on that subject.

Game Over
You have scored 0000000000001 points

Rich

PS sorry for the Tom Wolfe-ian digressions but my mind is a bit like that at the moment, easily distracted. Dunno why bu.... Ooh look, there's a squirrel.

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Jan  7 11:13:33 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:13:33 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Albert, Billie, Brains, Doughnut, Scooper, Spring, Sticks, Tiger*
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Did I say The Delgados were folk as fuck? Silly me, I meant Del
Amitri. Did I say I was reading Greil Marcus? I'd forget my head if it
wasn't screwed on! I meant Malcolm Muggeridge.

No I haven't heard "Domestiques", but I'm sure it's absolutely
smashing. Of course Greil Marcus talks bollocks most of the time,
that's why he's an established rock critic. He does go on about
dadaism a bit here, but I think it's "Lipstick Traces" where he really
goes to town. I haven't read it, but I've got the album - ba ba bab ba
ba ba bab eeeeeeeeeee oooooooo bo bo bo - it goes, but it does have
some top tunes as well, and you can programme out the dadaism. Anyway,
I've stopped reading the book now, following Warrander John's Sid Snot
outburst. I haven't been so put out of joint since I was accused of
living in Neorockland and having boring packaging ideas.

Speaking of established rock critics, I'm no Stax expert, but what I
have heard is quite wide-ranging, and not very formulaic at all, from
gentle gospel to smutty funkathons and rumpy-pumpy blues howlers.
Perhaps all this diversification came about when they released 27
albums on the same day, but at any rate, it's not all Otis Redding and
Booker T and the MGs. Not that I've got anything against formula,
mind.

I had a fantastic dream starring the Duke himself. A new Felt
retrospective had been released, called "Feltrospective" and Duke was
on the radio talking about it. Hmmm.

B&S content: A while back there was talk of a Peel session, has
anything happened? I think that number three slot in the festive fifty
is the finest hour in the short career of B&S so far, quite an honour.
I do hope B&S get back to old habits soon though, making eight
instruments sound like two instruments played inside a cavernous bread
bin with a bit of trumpet on top.

Sister Disco

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From keith at xxx.uk  Thu Jan  7 11:45:40 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:45:40 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Tantrum
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Hey, I had to come back really, cheers for the nice letters Peter
especially... I was looking at the archive this morning and decided that I
had to come back on cause in stark contrast to the Duke leaving because of
comments made about the Lovin' Spoonful, I decided I had to join agaiin due
to being in a tantrum about what people just said about Dexys....

	Yes, Dexys did indeed have more than one song "Come on Eileen" they are a
completely amazing band who made several records in the early eighties...
indeed our beloved leader and spiritual guide Mr.Murdoch owns a Dexys single
that isn't Come on Eileen. All their albums are completely excellent,
including the brilliant "Don't Stand me Down" from 1985 if my specially
modified pop brain serves me well. They did a cover of Van Morrison's
"Jackie Wilson Said" and top of the pops put a great big picture of Jocky
Wilson in the background (a big fat Scottish darts player). You can see a
picture of this in http://www.tv.cream.org/arktop.htm under 1982 (There's
also a picture of Limahl at the top). This site was put together with the
help of our very own Rodddney Buggerbie apparently. Kevin Rowland was ace,
didn't drink, didn't smoke... what did he do? Banned drink at gigs, played
top tunes, none of those electric guitars, they're too noisy by far. I would
say, as an entry point to Dexy's Midnight Runners, you'd be best starting
with one of their records - preferably any of them.

	Anyway, enough helmet-related capers, it's my Birthday today and I've
rejoined the list as a present to myself - and in tribute to the WHO. It's
the only present I got, apart from a new hairbrush and a card which I will
forever treasure, as it says "Shang a-lang" and has a picture of Les, Woody
and Eric from the Bay City Rollers. Chris Geddes looks like Woody, as well
as Robert Buchanan. I think B+S would do an excellent cover of Shang a-lang,
after all they do the Left Banke's "I've got something on my mind" which is
virtually the same tune anyway.

	Cheers for people coming along at New Year, it was a really good laugh,
nice to see Mark again and to meet Vicky, seems like everyone had a laugh,
cheers to Tag for the Neil Young video too, it's sent me in a spiral of
listening loads to Neil Young. He does a great version of F:);-):-<in' Up on
it, it's ace, and typically, all the songs take about 10 minutes to come to
an end.

	Nobody really went into the proper detail as regards Mr.Leonard's antics
over the New Year period. After having phone Honey from Anne's flat in
Glasgow and we finally got through, Chris is shouting "By the way, I fancy
your bird" loudly down the phone and then ran away going "Oh no, I've been
chucked".

Oon, I got your tape and lovely letter, I'll send you the Divine tape as
soon as I get off my lazy arse.

Cheers,
  Keith.


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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Thu Jan  7 12:13:19 1999
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (Megan)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:13:19 +0300
Subject: Sinister: what's driving you mad
Message-ID: <001401be3a37$a0a2f900$794302c3@lehard>


hullo again

i probably will not have this much free time again for a good long while so
it is perhaps acceptable for me to email charming/annoying little tidbits.
i will ignore censure coming from people who like short emails, and yet
quote the entirety of a previous one.  am i making sense?  too many 19th
century novels i fear.  i'm watching a movie where gwenyth paltrow doesn't
look unhealthily thin, but rather thin due to genetic ccausese.  so that's
good.

ok, sarah, i don't think jane austen is trying to criticize women for
feeling, so much as showing how women can end up suffering for allowing
themselves to feel, it's more of a society sucks type thing.  jane austen
writes about it in her novels, but then she gives everyone a happy ending,
because even if they're rare in real life, when you're dealing with fiction
one can do whatever one likes.

at this point i'd like to ask honey if he would be willing to make a nice
little mp3 file of chris leonard's now notorious anwsering machine message.
i ask this for the betterment of mankind.

does anyone want to trade tapes?  i want something neat to listen to.

my kitty is very cute.

xoxox
megan

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From rory_mackie at xxx.com  Thu Jan  7 12:57:08 1999
From: rory_mackie at xxx.com (Rory Mackie)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 04:57:08 PST
Subject: Sinister: I work in the village shop, putting the posters up.
Message-ID: <199901071257.EAA03102@law-f81.hotmail.com>


My this is fun isn't it? I am excited today (oh yes) as I am preparing 
my, sure to be legendary, top ten most P!O!O! (is that nasty filter 
still on? I hope not) music books of the year window for the bookstore I 
work in. With 'young and foolish' at number one natch. Actually, if 
you're reading this Duke, get some of your army of Swiss publicists to 
send me some posters'n'stuff will you? Books Etc Piccadilly it is. 
They've got the number.
   So anyway if any of you are wandering sad and alone round Piccadilly 
circus like some demented Belgian with a big rucksack and a comedy 
haircut, come see! It's sure to eclipse Eros and all that nasty 
Coca-cola gubbins as Londons premeir tourist attraction. Should be in 
around the middle of next week.

 Hmmm... next time I promise to think of something relevant to say.

 StayLuckyRory xxx ( a little woozy, but happy as a troll) 

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From eng98ajo at xxx.se  Thu Jan  7 15:26:33 1999
From: eng98ajo at xxx.se (Anna J)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:26:33 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian on the radio... Swedish radio
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Finally finally!!
I don't think anyone's mentioned this so, well, I thought I might.
I had a look at P3(Swedish radio)'s web site to see if they maybe had set a
date for the P3 Live B&S session, and woohoo -they had!!!

Monday 11/1 at 9 PM. It says it's from Paris the 22/10, so it must be the
Black sessions right?

Now, that's just a few days away. Better put the kettle on straight way. I
think I'm going to make chocolate chip cookies for the event. Or I might
buy some, I'd only burn them myself...

Anna :)


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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Thu Jan  7 15:37:17 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:37:17 -0000
Subject: Sinister: What's going on?
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From travelling_light at xxx.com  Thu Jan  7 16:04:26 1999
From: travelling_light at xxx.com (Kin Woo)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:04:26 PST
Subject: Sinister: PLEA TO PHILIPPE WHEREVER YOU ARE!
Message-ID: <19990107160427.25271.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hye listees. Happy New Year by the way!!!:) Hope it's more brilliant 
than the last one, let's all enjoy the last year of this millenium while 
we can.
I dunno whether big capital letters are a no-no but I need to attract 
the attention of our very own French wit, Philippe Garnier as 
desperately as I can. Philippe, I've tried sending you emails but I keep 
getting 'em sent back saying undeliverable mail!!!:( Please don't tell 
me you've changed yr email address and yr no longer subscribing to the 
wonderful Sinister list (haven't read your lovely postings in months!)
Philippe please please please WRITE BACK TO ME!!! Just to tell me you're 
there and hopefully:) finding some time to work on my tapes. I mean I 
sent you yr stuff months ago and I know you've been really busy with 
your degree, please at least reply to my emails and say you're still 
there:) I think I'm owed that at least.
I know you're a very kind and trustworthy man so I plead with you, 
please find some time to finish my package and send it to me soon:) I'll 
be leaving for London in a bit more than a week so please please please 
write to me before then
Sincerely hoping to hear from you soon
P.S. IF any of you listees know what's become of Philippe, please also 
tell me
Au Revoir
Kin Woo

With A Star Upon Your Shoulder
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From cja1000 at xxx.uk  Thu Jan  7 16:50:56 1999
From: cja1000 at xxx.uk (Chris)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:50:56 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: No subject
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My dearest fluffy:

bom, bom bom (byah). bom, bom bom (byah):

The frog chorus, if I'm not mistaken. I claim my free copy of tigermilk.

Clothilde 

(first post in absolutely zonks. i stopped coz the list was getting dull,
but it seems to be getting better again. There's praise for y'all, or
perhaps it's just the immune system of the behemoth that is the list
kicking in. My PhD viva, which was tomorrow, has been cancelled. How
annoying is that?) 


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From Mark at xxx.com  Thu Jan  7 14:29:25 1999
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:29:25 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: Chi non salta e' pisano - too right geezer
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Yay! Fluffy likes "Anna Friel" too! I think it's easily one of the singles
of 1998 (RIP) along with the two Orangey Delgados singles, David Holmes
meets the mighty Serge, and the screamingly obvious - which reminds me, I
saw the Acid House last night and about 3 whole minutes of B&S was played,
including the fade out from the second story. It was amazing to hear Slow
Giraffes, LOUDLY (thank Christ) on a really decent cinema sound system, and
me and the missus found ourselves squeezing each other's hands and smiling
broadly, despite the truly depressing nature of the film ( which only rates
6 out of 10, at a push, I reckon).

Sarah warbled:
"bom, bom bom" ("byah!") "bom, bom bom" ("bayah") 
brackets denote backing vocals by the way. 

Why, isn't that Paul 'n' Linda's finest moment, The Frog Chorus? Which
reminds me, has anyone seen the ads for Linda's last album, on which she
rants at f***ing (sic) journalists for knowing "f***ing nothing" and being
"f***ing no-one"? A bit rich coming from one of the least worthwhile people
on the planet, don't you reckon?

In the Veneto in northern Italy there's a fortified wine kind of drink
called "Clinton". My parents and cousins had hours of fun sipping this
dubious liquor and making crude jokes about drinking, swallowing, sucking
etc. on a nice ripe Clinton. Ha ha ha.

Hanging with the untalkative bunny,
Mark xxx



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From alix.campbell at xxx.net  Thu Jan  7 20:06:46 1999
From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:06:46 -0000
Subject: Sinister: another milestone in the history of dyestuffs
Message-ID: <001d01be3a79$511c1000$01eca8c2@n2f9x2>


(this is boring, don't bother reading it)


i've just bought a new walkman to replace the one that was skanked, but it
won't work. this is but a minor setback, and i imagine that it will work
when i actually put the batteries in. leastways, i hope it will. if it
doesn't i shall start running around the village, screaming 'take me back to
the 14th century, it was so much simpler then'.

it's rising damp tonight, i shall watch it, for richard beckinsale is in it.
he was better in porridge though. ho hum ho.

ray of light/ anna friel was a wheelie bin full of rabbit sick. it has
driven me to violence on more than one occasion. nasty, that's what it is.

that's it, back to the tea room with me.

a l i x  u r e  c a m p b e l l




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It's silent in the boardroom as I contemplate this, thinking it through
before asking, finally,
"What's 'broiled,' Luis?"
"I'm not sure," he says. "I think it involves . . . a pan"

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From LMJ216 at xxx.com  Thu Jan  7 20:53:42 1999
From: LMJ216 at xxx.com (LMJ216 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:53:42 EST
Subject: Sinister: PLEA TO PHILIPPE WHEREVER YOU ARE!
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Hello everyone,

I don't post much, but i'm spacegirl Lisa.  Anyway, in concerning the lovely
spaceboy PHILIPPE...
I know of his whereabouts.  You see On January 6th, Philippe moved from
strasbourg France to Salt Lake City Utah.  Don't worry, this is not permanent.
i don't think it is anyway!! he's supposed to be spending a year in the united
states for something or other concerning his job.  So if you DO send email to
him, it will not work.  So give a few days to settle in his new home, and i am
sure he will back to the list!  I will make sure to tell him to contact the
list when he emails me, when his computer is up and running.  I hope that
helps!  I can't wait to hear from him myself!  

Have a lovely day darlings,
XO,
Lisa
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From editor at xxx.uk  Thu Jan  7 19:36:41 1999
From: editor at xxx.uk (duke of harringay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 19:36:41 +0000
Subject: Sinister: belle and sebastian say Felt
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> Whats the best felt album to get..

the best felt record is all of them. the same formula is applicaple to
Dexys, as our own Keith Watson pointed out so eloquently. But if you can
find it, get 'Crumbling The Antiseptic Beauty' first, if only for the
fact that it was their first, and work your way up from there. There's
another nine to go after that, not counting compilations, although there
is not a new retrospective planned for this year, despite the dreams of
the list Seer. Saddly. There is a Vic Godard retrospective planned,
however, for imminent release, which kind of makes up for it. 

speaking of retros, i've been playing 'Hindsight' by The Church the last
few days and it sounds a lot better than i ever remember... i think
perhaps i was put off because they looked like The Cult or The Cure or
some other sub-goth band beginning with C. And as everyone knows, i was
never ever a Goth. No siree. But some of the Church now sounds not
unlike Felt, only a bit more obviously psyched out. The youngsters on
the list, if still reading, will be yawning and bringing in my slippers
at this point. How very thoughtful of them.

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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 14:09:05 +0100
From: Christopher Alexander Leonard <cleonard at xxx.net>
Subject: Sinister: pop 

"Pop" or "pop"?  I'm lost.....

Yours,
  Chris from Balfron


===============

it's Pop. Sometimes. And when it's not Pop, it's pop, unless it's
obviously Rock, or indeed rock. Occassionally it might be deemd to be
Soul, but not like 'Soul'. Obvioulsy. 

i hope that clears it all up for you.

and with respect to Stax, well yes i realise that there was a mish mash
of noise on Stax, as indeed there was on Motown, but you can't let
little details like actual facts ruin your theories, now can you? Pop
theorists have an unimpeachable right to make up any old bollocks if it
sounds funny and/or pretentious enough. i mean did Marcus Greil let the
fact that Bruce Springsteen records are actually shite deflect his
arguments? No he did not. I rest my case... 

As for a sequel to Young and Foolish, well there is the Felt book that
will hopefully come together this year, as long as Lawrence doesn't pull
out. I suggest the cover for that could be a picture of Struan on stage
wearing his fave T-Shirt, and the title 'Belle & Sebastian Say...' It
has a certain ring to it, don't you think?

Or not.

All publishing houses stole my title of Belle Lettres and made a slight
change to protect them from copyright. So when you see the so-called
'genre' of Belles Lettres, it is in fact my idea all dressed up to look
marketable. It is another sorry chapter in the tale of how all my ideas
have been used to make money and fame for someone else. Long term
viewers will know that Stuart David is the worst offender. A writ is
with his solicitors as i type this. Possibly.

keep the faith,

the duke
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Thu Jan  7 23:19:43 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:19:43 -0800
Subject: Sinister: "I;m  proud to be an American, and a t least i know i'm free(sic)"
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me again, rubbish!!
first off everyone is being very humourous and in good spirits, and i like
that very much, whoever ones of you wrote lately, thank you, you know who
you are.
I just wrote 'humourous' with a 'u' in it, i am not sure  why. i'm going all
faux-british, no surprise really.
ooh a fighter plane has  crashed, but no one  even was seriously  injured at
all, but they're acting like it's a huge big story.  get off my tv.
whooopty doo.  sorry i'm very  rude.

oh--someone yesterday was saying about the 'drink-till-you-hurl' concept. i
hope when i made that remark that i did tn give the impression i was being
the moral compass of the list and giveing everyone raps on the wrist  for
being naughty.  i couldn't  care less.  i just dont' really understand how
you get to that point. . . nothing  personal.  hola weejay, good to see
someone else is a hopeless lightweight and miserable tosspot like me.  so
what is your smutty dilemma? i'd ask, but you'd be telling me witht he
knowledge that i would have no grasp of any concept that came up, so its
probably no use.

now for the relevant content: yesterday i had run into the
super-ultra-mega-world HQ walmart to get some mailing envelopes and string
cheese and Lolly-scented oil, and run in to get my contact lenses. as i was
standing in line i glanced up toward to the hair cuts place in front, and a
big sign board said:
"PROFESSIONAL HAIR STYLING  PRODUCTS BY:
--PAUL MITCHELL
--SEBASTIAN"
 that was all the names that were up there.  well i had a good laugh, even
if it was at the expense of my plainly disintegrating sanity.

Megan, my kitty is very cute too. i swear. i have two  kitties.  both are
very cute.  I would trade tapes, if i have anything interesting to listen to
which might be questionable but it's worth a try.
I hate those jane austen type things.  *SNoooooooooooooore!*  I have no
literary aspirations whatsoever.  my least favorite writers are mark twain
and ernest hemingway.  brrrrrrrr there's your sleep aids right there. that
was totally off topic.

sarah sez"bom, bom bom" ("byah!") "bom, bom bom" ("bayah")
brackets denote backing vocals by the way.
Can you tell what it is yet?
If you can guess then thats a bit scary.
,,,,,ooh that sounds  just  LOVELY. i should be  brushing up on my  crap
music now. is there a priize for  guessing? it  sounds like something
dreadful.    here's one for you.  "Am I SEX-shoo ULLL.....(yeah, yeah)"
that's all i know.  my friend listens to them.  gawd i need some new
friends!!  what use is someone who has never heard of B&S? i made her a tape
with them on it, and her favorite track was "century of elvis" because
scottish accented boyz make her all emm, gooey.  how can you respect someone
like that?  no comment what soever about "get me away from here i'm dying"
or "belle and sebastian."  what a loser.
then she laughs at me when i said Elvis is a ripoff. "you only say that cos
he  talks over the  other guy singing"  well YEAH, that could be it.
Genius!
Carson Daly, you're my hero!!
whoever pronounced their fear of american survivalist/millenial/militia
crews, just try livin here, babe.  the  idiots are  everywhere.  every truck
you end up behind on the highway has a sticker like "My gun, my dog, my
wife--in that order" or "IMpeach KLInTon(with little sickle communist thing
in it)"    these people are friggin scary.   I'm geting  out of here in a
hurry.   do you have scary gun cults with  beard wearing mandates in
britain too, and huge fat old men with 8 wives and  20 kids?? or is it just
us??  do you have sport utility vehicles?  anyone  who owns a sport utility
should be punished richly, and all those stupid machismo-aid tanks should be
crushed and turned into dessert forks and playground equipment.    those
things burn gas like nothing else, and when they hit you on the road, their
driver remains safe and sound, whilst you my friend, in your gas-efficent
modest car, get your head cut off by the height of the  bumper on their
tank.  fun vehicles for sure.
now that i've begun ranting, i see it's time for me to go to bed.
apologies.  i just wondered if yall had s-u-v's in  britain.  it seems very
uniquely american to want to prove how big your manhood is, or in the case
of a woman, how big your husband's is.  and they're all married women  with
3 kids who think they have to be big and bad  when they drive to the daycare
and then to baskin robbins to slop the rugrats with fat.
mm good.
llesleyjo
http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange
"I've just been shining this apple, and it looks so delicious, but i've
changed my mind. . .do you want to share it?"
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From mazzy_ana at xxx.com  Thu Jan  7 23:00:48 1999
From: mazzy_ana at xxx.com (ana simic)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 23:00:48 GMT
Subject: Sinister: some bits&pieces
Message-ID: <199901072300.PAA02904@f274.hotmail.com>



I don't really know how much up-to-date I am (or possibly completely
out of date....*s*).....but!

I liked STUDIO 54...watched it tonite,by the way...
Hasn't that cutty played in 'I Know What You Did Last Summer'...
...only that he wasn't as naked all the time as he was in Studio 54??
I guess, that's rather a rethorical question....

Hm.

Is it too un-cool to say that I like the 'If You Could Read My Mind'-
- single as well? hehehe....just go for it - do swear about it!
(This one was for you Sarah for buying Ray Of Light...*smiles*)

be good
*Ana* 

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From redisz at xxx.net  Thu Jan  7 23:13:10 1999
From: redisz at xxx.net (geophphersun)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:13:10 -0500
Subject: Sinister: [Fwd: Momus writes about YOU]
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From WeeChrisBS at xxx.com  Thu Jan  7 23:54:24 1999
From: WeeChrisBS at xxx.com (WeeChrisBS at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:54:24 EST
Subject: Sinister: The E-mail Adress Formly Known as NoelWhitey@aol.com
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Hello List,

Just wanted to tell anyone(if anyone ) I changed my e-mail address Aye yes To
WeeChrisBS at aol.com But I have more to say....

Today at school we had to write a story about Something to do with space and
My Story was about 3 Astronots(spelling) Stuart,Isobel and Wee Chris and They
discovered a new Planet and Met 2 Aliens, Richard and Steveie and Then They
all made a wee little Town on the planet.

And on Sunday I went in The City, San Francisco to see "The Thin Red
Line"(Really Really Great By The way) and when we were on the bridge to pay
the Toll. I had my Best of B&S tape and "Me And The Major" was on and He said
"Oh I love B&S", I asked him if He was on Sinister and He said He was going
To. Ah Think his name was Philip...

Anyways Off to After School Work at a resturent(blah)
-Damon
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From clarence at xxx.com  Fri Jan  8 02:01:08 1999
From: clarence at xxx.com (Clarence Tsui, Hong Chee)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:01:08 +0800 
Subject: Sinister: The Amphetamines
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No, this is not a subject-line to grab attention..

I just want hardened B&S fans to shed some light - whether members of B&S
have been involved in this project called The Amphetamines. According to an
ad by a record shop here, the Amp's have released a single.

Ta da

Greetings from divinity channeled through the mortal medium of
Clarence

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From Mew817 at xxx.com  Fri Jan  8 03:09:54 1999
From: Mew817 at xxx.com (Mew817 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:09:54 EST
Subject: Sinister: "I;m  proud to be an American, and a t least i know i'm free(si...
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Hi everyone			***Skip this if you want B&S content!***

Lesley Jo just makes me laugh and laugh!

>  it seems very
>  uniquely american to want to prove how big your manhood is, or in the case
>  of a woman, how big your husband's is.  and they're all married women  with
>  3 kids who think they have to be big and bad

Uh oh, I'm an American with an SUV....And I'm a girl!!  I'm not married and
don't have kids.  I just like to show off my muscle when I drive, you know,
prove my womanhood to all other drivers.  No really, I got it mostly because
I'm 6'1 and it gives me lots of leg room that normal cars don't.   

On the subject of crazy Americans.....
There was a guy in front of me today in a pick-up truck with the confederate
flag on his rear window.  Funny thing was, it looked like a book cover taped
to the window.    And then he had these 2 signs which were cardboard with the
messages written in black marker, except you couldn't read them even from
right behind him.  I really wanted to know what they said but I couldn't read
the small print.  I even dodged around traffic to get next to him, but I still
couldn't see...  It's probably better that way though, it most likely would
have gotten me really mad.  Sometimes you just have to laugh at people like
that though.

OK, enough from me.

mew  x
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From amyo at xxx.com  Fri Jan  8 03:20:21 1999
From: amyo at xxx.com (Queen of Noise)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:20:21 -0600
Subject: Fw: Sinister: ?
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> I feel sort of like an ass.  I never respond to any messages on here
> because I quite frankly don't know what to say.  I'm gonna try my best. 
> I'm still pretty unfamiliar with the band, although for what I have heard
> they've been addicting.  Uhmm, other than these posts (which have helped
me
> out a bit with the knowledge of B&S) does anyone have any B&S pages to
> recommend to me?  Thanks.
> - Amy
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From laurentdeguell at xxx.com  Fri Jan  8 04:06:16 1999
From: laurentdeguell at xxx.com (Laurent de GUELL)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:06:16 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Fat asses
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Oh hello and so ...

Well, my question about fat asses is how do you manage with it, you those
who are concerned with _  i thought that's a hell of a luck if you have fat
ass cause you focus on it and nothing else matters.
About the bo, bo bo (tcha !) that reminds me of TJAMC "just like honey" but
no backing vocals in that hell of a song so at once i felt like a cake
(kind of french manner) with a big headeache (that's not the proper typing
i do believe).
I was thinking about posting something intelligent. I promise not to post
once more if it is not.
It is truely that i confess my love to this list.

"Canaille !... Canaille !" qu'elle hurlait. Ca resonnait. Quelle pluie ! Je
trottai d'un reverbere a l'autre jusqu'à la pissotiere de la place des
Fetes. Premier abri.

 
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From tinystar at xxx.com  Fri Jan  8 06:00:23 1999
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:00:23 -0500
Subject: Sinister: wheezy, the forgotten dwarf
Message-ID: <007a01be3acc$30d41f60$6f1e05d1@tinystar>


bonjour,

it's still crazysnowy here, and i'm still sicksicksick. not hungover this
time (i made the obligatory new year's resolution to never drink again) but
in possession of a cold. headache, body aches, stuffy nose that i blow a
billion times a day, sore throat that makes me sound a bit surly. just a run
of the mill cold, but it's unpleasant. on the upside, it's given me more
time to put off writing my report on relationship stages. poo,
relationships. overrated anyways, i say. singlehood is the way to go.
imagine, being able to go stay home on a saturday night if you want. oh,
<sigh>, if anyone knows a lovely boy in toronto who likes tea and toast with
honey and is hygenic and prone to spontaneous snuggling and hand-holding,
let me know. he sounds like he's looking for a girl to set him straight. and
i would be just the girl to help him. hey, i'm just trying to fulfil a
resolution.

ooh, there's a fabulous website that i discovered today, it's
www.reformatting.com and it's about really thinking and becoming more real.
they give you 30 statements, you can edit up to two words from each and then
you can write things about yourself and post them there for everyone to see.
i, of course, made mine public, being the fame whore that i am. so go and
find out things you always wondered about.

>Excellent, Fluffy Starry Sarah:
>>Who does the *ducks on a pond, ducks on a pond,
>>very pretty swimming around* song please? I am fond of it.
>
>God bless you Sarah.  It is the Incredible String Band.  Robin
>Williamson wrote it.


could someone share which song this is and which album it is from? i have
"the hangman's beautiful daughter" (which i have been inspired to put on,
which will be followed immediately by the creation and then robert wyatt),
and i don't recall any mention of ducks on a pond. there are, um, fish, and
buffaloes, and mice and lions, but no ducks.

meaty beaty big and bouncy,
jessicaxo


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From A.Ward at xxx.uk  Fri Jan  8 10:56:26 1999
From: A.Ward at xxx.uk (Anne Ward)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:56:26 +0000
Subject: Sinister: What do you call a pig with wings?
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Pizza Boy wrote:

>Why, isn't that Paul 'n' Linda's finest moment, The Frog Chorus? Which
>reminds me, has anyone seen the ads for Linda's last album, on which she
>rants at f***ing (sic) journalists for knowing "f***ing nothing" and being
>"f***ing no-one"? A bit rich coming from one of the least worthwhile people
>on the planet, don't you reckon?

No I don't reckon. Linda may have been fairly duff at playing the
tambourine but that doesn't make her public enemy number one. I'm not
trying to get all right on here but what about the animal rights stuff she
did? Is that not fairly worthwhile? If you're not happy with that try her
sausages, which are very tasty, or have a look at her photos, some of which
are very nice. I can also recommend any of her cookbooks. What with her and
Jane Asher Paul must have had dinner sewn up. Anyway, I *like* Wings.
They've got some good tunes. Some fairly pish ones too it has to be said,
but it's crap how Macca always gets a slagging while everyone idolises John
Lennon. They both wrote some very good songs and some very bad ones. I
think Imagine can give Candle in the Wind a good run for its money in the
naff olympics but you're not allowed to say that because he's dead. I know
this has got nothing to do with anything but that remark got right up my
bugle, as Frank Butcher would say. 

OK, rant over. While I'm on the subject of bad reputations - did someone
call Keith winsome? He's not winsome. He RULES. Everybody knows that. And
Chris, there's no need to apologise. I had a smashing Hogmanay. Thank you
for being so entertaining. You're all welcome back next year, but Honey,
maybe you should leave your phone off the hook. I had a look at your
website too, by the way. You look smashing and I bet your songs are
fabulous. Are there any as good as Jet? 

Can anybody explain Bobby Conn to me please? I saw him on TV the other
night and I swear I thought I'd seen everything until I clapped eyes on
him. What's all that about then? Does he always look like that? The Hush
Puppy and I were silent for a full two minutes after witnessing his
'performance'. I thought I was au fait with lo-fi but that takes the cake.
Enlighten me someone please.

Happy trails.

Anne
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From fatslug at xxx.com  Fri Jan  8 10:57:41 1999
From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:57:41 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Momus/Tindersticks
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I was going to mention the new Momus project, and suggest that we club
together and get him to do a song about the Sinister list, but I see
that someone has beaten me to it.

If anyone is interested, the reason why Momus is rapidly heading towards
bankruptcy is that his last album contained a song called "Walter Carlos"
about the pioneering moogster who became Wendy Carlos shortly after recording
"Switched on Bach Vol. 1"

Unfortunately Wendy Carlos took objection to the track and turned up with a
writ at one of the dates on Momus' recent US tour.  My understanding was that
Momus won the initial court case, but decided to remove the offending track
anyway, out of respect for Wendy Carlos.

The fact that Momus is now seeking to recover legal costs, and is unable
to talk about the reasons why, would seem to indicate that Wendy Carlos
has persisted with her legal actions in spite of the fact that the track
has been removed, and was intended as a tribute in the first place.

Lest we forget, this is not the first time that Nick Currie has run into
such problems.  A few years back the track "Michelin Man" was removed
from the album "Hippopotomomus" after threats of legal action.  By all
accounts there was a colourful Michelin board meeting where the song's
lyrics were read out to the horrified directors.

On another subject entirely, the Tindersticks have had a couple of mentions
in the last few days.

I'd just like to add that the Isabella Rosellini duet "A Marriage Made in
Heaven" which appears on Donkeys was originally recorded by the Tindersticks
in 1993 with Nicky from Huggy Bear on vocals.  Just my personal opinion of
course, but that version was a hell of a lot better than the newer one.

The "Nennette et Boni" soundtrack is mostly instrumental.  The highlight is
a pared down version of "Tiny Tears" which is also included on Donkeys, so
the soundtrack album is really for the dedicated Tindersticks fan only.

Kevan
The Fat Slug

ps Good to see you back Keith, even if you did leave for less time than
   some of the people who unsubscribed over Christmas ;)


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From mazzy_ana at xxx.com  Fri Jan  8 12:19:25 1999
From: mazzy_ana at xxx.com (ana simic)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:19:25 GMT
Subject: Sinister: no B&S content (again)
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jessica wrote:

>on the upside, it's given me more
>time to put off writing my report on relationship stages. poo,
>relationships. overrated anyways, i say. singlehood is the way to go.
>imagine, being able to go stay home on a saturday night if you want.

well, dear jessica, the problem loads of people do have, is that
they _are_ able to stay home on a saturday night, and they are
not at all happy about it!! So i reckon, i should consider myself
lucky for having to work on a saturday night.....hehehe

and by the way, aren't guys happy when we say that we want to stay
home ,so they can go drinking with their pals??? (for a change...*s*) 
Ok, I _am_ using some stupid cliches on this....
...and this is a stupid mail in general!

Do ignore it....pleeease.

*Ana*

P.S. I am going out tonight and I am going to get pissed and I am 
going to dance to some nice Pop Music....
  

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From adamrobinson at xxx.uk  Fri Jan  8 12:21:12 1999
From: adamrobinson at xxx.uk (Adam Robinson)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:21:12 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Rambling Vic Godard anecdote with tangential B&S reference.
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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Fri Jan  8 12:05:22 1999
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 04:05:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Sinister?
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I don't seem to have posted much recently.  I spend all my time eating
instead.  But I still lost weigh over Christmas.

Anyway, I wouldn't like anyone to think I was dead, as for a start my
list crushes would start getting awkward questions from the police.

lesleyjo has taken to quoting this stolen piece of Stuart Murdoch in
her sig file:
  
> "I've just been shining this apple, and it looks so delicious, but 
> I've changed my mind. . .do you want to share it?"

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't find this whole incident
cute at all. In fact it makes me feel kind of queasy.  Would the Snow
White story have worked so well with a banana?

Here's another press piece from a while ago.  The Evening Standard is
the London local paper, not renowned for it's pop coverage, but I
quite liked this.  Well it's all right, anyway.  I've never heard the
Blue Peter story before - is it true?

Nicholas xxx

04 Dec 1998 Evening Standard 

The Band That Wants To Be Left Alone: They've been described as 'fey'
with annoying regularity. But there's more than winsomeness to Belle
and Sebastian, discovers
 
By ZOE WILLIAMS

HERE are some regional stereotypes: Liverpudlians always try to do
harmonies without sounding too much like the Beatles; the Welsh are
fond of funny twangy instruments and big orchestral sweeps; the Scots
like to strum in a vigorous, rough-hewn, lo-fi way, and break their
instruments at the end; Bristol always throws up genres ending in the
word 'hop'. There, see how handy that was? It saves you listening to
about 27 albums of the past year alone, freeing up 1,215 minutes (dig
my maths!) for sleeping and having baths.

However, the eternally awkward and contrary Scots are quietly
wriggling out of their particular pigeonhole. Why, just this year
they've turned out Mogwai (not rough-hewn at all), Arab Strap (far too
cute ever to growl, or make any other lo-fi noises) and, crucially,
Belle and Sebastian, the most impossibly winsome, appealing,
melody-led eight-piece that ever did be. The eight of them met,
vaguely, at some arty college or other in Glasgow in 1995, but they're
no Pulp - they didn't spend 12 years playing in pubs before anyone got
to like them.

They're not fuelled by some overarching passion to make it
particularly massive. In their first 18 months as an outfit, they
played no more than 18 gigs, which is rather refreshing, now that
common practice is to do the gig circuit until the point of nervous
exhaustion.

They don't really have much dash to them - everything is taken at
pootling pace. They release their next single, This Is Just Another
Modern Rock Song, on Monday, which is just typical. You can almost
hear the conversation - 'I've got a great idea! Why don't we release a
totally unChristmasy song just before Christmas, then we can guarantee
that nobody will buy it, and they'll all just leave us alone.' It's a
marvellous little song with a proper tune, even while the lyrics
completely undermine the whole business ('This is just another modern
rock song/This is just a sorry lament/ We're four boys in corduroys/
We're not terrific but we're competent'). The whole EP is marvellous,
actually, as was the album before it, which is why Belle and Sebastian
are never going to be greeted with the indifference they genuinely
prefer.

Ever since they were first signed in 1996, the band have been
relentlessly publicity shy. For a long time, they wouldn't even put
out publicity shots of themselves, choosing instead to send snapshots
of their mates, lying in the middle of the road and suchlike. Lead
singer and prolific songwriter Stuart Murdoch doesn't want to talk
about it, really, and most interviewing duty falls to Richard, the
drummer, who explains the camera-shy angle thus: 'We're not trying to
be difficult. We just thought that people who really liked the music
would buy the album anyway, regardless of whether or not we looked
ugly enough to scare the kids away from the fireplace.' (A strange
Scottish saying, presumably.) Belle and Sebastian have been called fey
more often than Noel's been called a Gallagher, but it's a misleading
term, which brings to mind much chiffon and tragedy and cooing,
art-school nonsense.

According to Richard, at least, they're all much more straightforward
than that. They don't have some grand plan to keep themselves pure and
underground in the face of (yikes!) commercial or critical acclaim.
They just have a big meeting every now and again, and if one of them
says they're not comfortable with something, whether it's a tour or a
release or a cappuccino, they just don't bother.

Nor do they actively avoid publicity - hell, this is the outfit who
bombarded Blue Peter with sincere requests to play on their show, and
just got laughed at. They're not holed up in Glasgow ensconced in some
creative idyll, playing recorders and making headwear out of twigs and
flowers. They're just eight people, some of whom live together, some
of whom don't, some of whom like the pub, some of whom are a bit more
subdued, who happen to make good songs together.

Live sets, although improved since the very first in 1996 when they
'flapped about like idiots and made a hellish, awful mess', have
always been a bit sham-bolic. They also sell out within hours of going
on sale. People travel hundreds of miles to see them - in America,
thousands. But we needn't equate a cult following with deliberate
kookiness. As far as I can make out, they're just a regular gang with
an unexpected dollop of talent. And, to come over all Barence Norman,
why not?
 
Evening Standard
Page 35
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Fri Jan  8 13:25:41 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:25:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Go Veggie For Linda!
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Of course, Linda McCartney is no longer on the planet, so you're not
allowed to say bad things about her anyway. I like Wings too. You
should see my "Live and Let Die" dance, with speeded up kung fu
movements combined with voodoo sensuality in the skanktastic bit. I
see from the NME website that Bryan MacLean (sp?) is no longer on the
planet either, so perhaps we should have another sinister candlelit
vigil, I mean Sinister candlelit vigil. I mean, they don't come much
more B&S than Uncle Bryan, the inspiration behind the nicest bit on
"Chickfactor". I also see that TWATTYBUS got number 15 in the NME
festive fifty, which can't be bad. Can it? Linda's photos are fab.

I enjoyed that Isobel interview, but it has raised more queries than
it answered. Perhaps we could do a bit of detective work. First of
all, the great cello mystery. How old is Isobel's cello? Surely there
are some cello experts on the list - perhaps they could have a look at
some photos and give us their opinion. Also, Isobel's painting of
herself and Stuart in the nude - could someone pretend to be the
gasman and go round to the church hall to take a photo? Chris, I think
you're the best man for the job.

Great to have Keith back. Hope you had a happy birthday, Big Tackle.
One of these days I'm going to sort this Dexy's business out once and
for all. They remind me of Bournemouth for some reason.

I no longer get messages from the list - could this be the millennium
bug getting a head start?

Right, I'm going now. I've been a very good boy and done lots of work,
so now I'm off to get blootered on Buckfast.

fare thee well, me hearties!

Sister Disco


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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Fri Jan  8 14:15:47 1999
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:15:47 EST
Subject: Sinister: Re: Wee Chris Sightings
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In a message dated 99-01-08 08:36:49 EST, you write:

> They're not holed up in Glasgow ensconced in some
>  creative idyll, playing recorders and making headwear out of twigs and
>  flowers. 


Chris Leonard -- is he making fun of the Incredible String Band here???  IS
he???  (oh,and several of us have gotten inquiries about you from BT --
something about misuse of telephone lines for perversions?  I said I never
heard of you, except by reputation, if that helps at all.)

And, speaking of Chrises, which we weren't really, but maybe we were, Linda's
post about seeing sweet shy Wee Chris in Waterstone's, looking to see if he's
famous yet, was so funny and sweet:  perhaps we should have a Sinister Thread
of Wee Chris sightings...  Megan the Magnetic could certainly share a sweet
one from the bar in Washington D.C., well share it again in any event, as most
of us seem to be too lazy to use the archives anyhow (sorry Honey, they're
lovely and work beautifully, "Well Done -- Gold Star!")

Here is one, from Washington DC as well...  

After the show, Johnfm and I are standing around as the crowd files out...
Neil comes over and shows off his radical new haircut, his sole souvenir of
the American South apparently, but certainly a striking one as we didn't even
recognize him at first, so probably better than the snow globes with the boll
weevils in them.  We're talking about the quality of the show and Wee Chris
comes over and stands with us, looking shy as he always does and being very
quiet in his turtleneck.   Suddenly, a fan in his 20's comes up to him, all
excited and gasping, "YOU!  YOU'RE the boy in the Arab Strap!!!  Aren't you?
Isn't that you?"  Wee Chris' eyes fly open wide and his head goes back a
bit...  he blinks his eyes as if caught in the headlights and he says, "Oh,
ummm, no.  I left it home."  

I didn't listen to the rest of the conversation as it might have been personal
from that point on.

And from NY:

Wee Chris is in the balcony, talking to someone, maybe about arab straps, who
knows?  Very intense conversation in any event, with Wee Chris bending his
head in and talking very seriously.  Rocking back and forth on his heels,
talking with his hands.  Matt comes over and asks me, "Is that Evan Dando
Chris is talking to?"  I don't know, and Matt says that Brian says it's him.
We look at them for awhile and I figure he looks too healthy to be Evan, but
Brian is the personality expert so maybe it is.  We shrug.  Then Megan the
Magnetic comes over and asks, "Is that Evan Dando talking to Wee Chris?"  We
refer her to Brian.  She wonders whether to interrupt the conversation and
wonders what to say to Chris.  After pondering several conversational topics,
we decide she should point out that she and he have the same shoes on, sort of
reddish One Stars or something.  Off she goes.  They talk shoes.  He probably
thinks she's stalking him, as we don't see him in the balcony for the rest of
the evening.  

And oh!  It was indeed Evan Dando I guess, but he was apparently asked to
leave later.  A bit too much beer and an incident.  May or may not have
involved Chris' arab strap.

So, there are two Wee Chris Sightings.(Mick McMick will have to decide if they
are anecdotes or ink polaroids...).  Not as endearing as Linda's tho'.  I'd
have paid good money to have seen hers.

 
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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Jan  8 14:37:06 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:37:06 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Wee Chris Sightings
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Oddly enough I was in Waterstones in Edinburgh with Mick earlier last year
and he looked to see if he was famous some sort of Virgin book of great rock
and roll or something. The band were, but he wasn't - cause he hadn't joined
then. They can't win really. Maybe indeed Linda, you could keep the thread
of B+S looking to see whether they're famous or not confined to Waterstones
in Edinburgh perhaps.

	I too would join in saying that Linda was a lovely woman who wasn't
useless. In honour of her (and the WHO) I bought a Linda McCartney spaghetti
thingy the other day from Somerfield. I don't know what it's going to taste
like, but I'll report back on Monday. I'd vote for Wings too. A bloke in our
office played Bagpipes with Paul McCartney when he does Mull of Kintyre, in
Australia (he's from Australia). I bought the live and let die soundtrack
recently actually, it's really cool. Wings, in an Isaac Hayes style. Great
stuff! JET! W!H!O!O!O!O!O!O!O!O!O!O!O!. My old flatmate loves Jane Asher. I
bet Paul missed the party cakes.  Macca was less cool than John Lennon
purely down to his making a round gormless mouth look and holding his thumbs
aloft. It's fuck all to do with the music, he wrote some bloody great songs
like Blackbird, Yesterday, Eleanor Rigby and of course Rocky Racoon.

	Anne - Honey Paul *insisted* that we call him at New Year and shout abuse
down the phone line. He loves it really.

	Kevan,  yes indeed I wasn't unsubscribed for too long. I love it really
too. Indeed Frank Yang won't know I've been gone. I'm still waiting for his
CD rundown.

	Leonard, Anne fancy a curry buffet do at the Shalamar soon?

Cheers,
  Keith.



In my CD Player : MS Office 97. Small business edition.

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From kfr9 at xxx.gov  Fri Jan  8 15:48:38 1999
From: kfr9 at xxx.gov (Rehak, Kimberly)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:48:38 -0500 
Subject: Sinister: The Amphetamines
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 sometime either today or yesterday Clarence asked:
> I just want hardened B&S fans to shed some light - whether members of B&S
> have been involved in this project called The Amphetamines. According to
> an
> ad by a record shop here, the Amp's have released a single.
> 
> 
	isn't the group the amphetameanies?  and is that single coming to
america?  my interest:  i figuered since i love belle and sebastian and mick
cooke's trumpet solos so so much AND since i have a two-tone show on my
dinky college's dinky radio station, then here is a chance to get a bit of
belle and sebastian into the show and out to the listeners in the
white-trash town (we're talking bearded ladies here).  and *maybe* i'll have
a better time slot next semester so people will actually listen to me!
sunday mornings at nine...sometimes i slept through my show!

	so how's the weather?  it's snowing like mad here and i just found
out my town has no salt left for the roads. i hope i'm not stuck at here!
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From csomeone at xxx.com  Fri Jan  8 18:06:43 1999
From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:06:43 PST
Subject: Sinister: Dear Eloise I was writing to say
Message-ID: <19990108180644.27199.qmail@hotmail.com>


Anne wrote: 
Ithink Imagine can give Candle in the Wind a good run for its money in 
the naff olympics but you're not allowed to say that because he's dead.

--did anyone miss that? In case you did, that was very funny.  But then, 
the list has been getting cheerier and funnier (sic?) lately, and I am 
glad for it.  and I blame it on the position of the planets for all 
gloom and doom, not knowing what else to blame it on... not that I read 
those horrid horoscopes, since the people who write them obviously have 
a vendetta against me and all sagitarrians and possibly leos too ... 
they're morose and depressed and undersexed and want to spread their 
morbidity and depression and sort of absent horniness to all and sundry.

-- while everyone is on the subject of favorite writers, and Infinite 
Jest (a dreary and godless book but very funny. that book upset me), can 
anyone recommend a good Clarice Lispector book ... I'm suspecting I 
can't get through apple in the dark because my translation of it is 
terrible. If any of you are at all curious about her, she's a wonderful 
Brazilian author and a little hard/dense. She creates these very subtle, 
psychological landscapes in her novels. Please read cronicas, if you are 
inclined to check her out.  It is very easy going. In Brazilian 
newspapers, their literary figures are given space to write whatever 
they wish, columns that they call cronicas.  In them, they directly 
address the people.  They may speak of everything from carnaval to 
whatever crises and tiny rebellions that may be going on in the nation. 
Her collection is wonderful, she writes beautifully and makes my heart 
ache sometimes. 

I have no new years resolutions. I have yet to accept this penultimate 
year as the year before the end of time and 1999 will have to chase me 
down and make me plead uncle before I admit it's power over me ... no 
b&s content, I'm mourning the loss of my IYFS and Bryter Layter CDs. 
Shall that be blamed on the planets as well?  Wherever did they go?

Cynthia

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From dec at xxx.uk  Fri Jan  8 18:36:24 1999
From: dec at xxx.uk (Declan McGurk)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:36:24 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Sinister: Catatonia
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hey all!
aren't Catatonia brilliant?
good. so would anyone like to go see them in Leeds in March?
all my f***ed up mates like f***ing dance sh*t like Sash and the bloody Tamperer.
love you all later,
Dec
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From chigger88 at xxx.com  Fri Jan  8 20:22:31 1999
From: chigger88 at xxx.com (Rachael .)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:22:31 PST
Subject: Sinister: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, YOU FAT FUCK!
Message-ID: <19990108202231.23682.qmail@hotmail.com>


Today, along with his twin brother Jesse (a stillborn) a King was born.  
Elvis.  Let's take a moment to just think about all the things this 
corpulent man gave us.  

Ah, the mind reels.  

I don't know karate but I know Ka-razy.

~Rachael



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From Mew817 at xxx.com  Sat Jan  9 05:15:28 1999
From: Mew817 at xxx.com (Mew817 at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 00:15:28 EST
Subject: Sinister: Re: Wee Chris Sightings
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> "Is that Evan Dando
>  Chris is talking to?"  I don't know, and Matt says that Brian says it's
him.
>  We look at them for awhile and I figure he looks too healthy to be Evan

I'm just curious.  Why do people dislike Evan Dando so much?  I don't mean
this in reference to just this post because he has been mentioned on here
before and it seems that people tend to say not so nice stuff about him.  I
know people who slag him, but I never get a real reason why....

curious,
mew  x

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From alexis at xxx.uk  Sat Jan  9 14:38:28 1999
From: alexis at xxx.uk (Alexis Petridis)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 14:38:28 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Re: <WHAT'S THE BEST FELT ALBUM TO BUY?>
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>From: Ben Parker <ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com>
>To: sinister at majordomo.net
>Date: Wed, Jan 6, 1999, 10:21 pm
>

>
>
>
>Whats the best felt album to get...to get first...or at all...or
>whatever? 
>
>
>
>Anyone?
>
>
They're all fucking ace, to be quite honest with you. The early ones
��Crumbling The Antiseptic Beauty and The Splendour Of Fear � don't sound
like any other band in the world, they're totally oblique and opaque in a
way that hardly any other music is, swathed in echo and reverb, beautiful
classical guitar filigree played on electric, really simple repetitive song
structures and inaudible/inpenetrable lyrics. Half the tracks are
instrumentals. They're like the sound of shyness on record, which is not
something that many bands try to get across.And Splendour Of Fear has The
World Is As Soft As Lace on it, as namechecked by Belle And Sebastian on I
Don't Love Anyone'.
The next two, The Strange Idol's Pattern and Ignite The Seven Cannons have
clearer production, more of a nod towards 'pop' songwriting, still loads of
beautiful instrumentals and incredible songs e.g. My Darkest Light Will
Shine, Primitive Painters (with Liz Fraser from the Cocteaus on it).
Actually, 'Ignite The Seven Cannons' has a woeful 80s production job on it
by Robin Guthrie of the Cocteau Twins, all awful 'big' snare sounds, too
many effects on the guitars etc. but the quality of the songs shines
through.
Then there's the Creation stuff. 1986-1989. Maurice Deebank, the guitarist,
left (he made an OK-ish, rather over-produced solo album called 'Inner
Thought Zone', all instrumental) which changed the band's sound quite
dramatically: Martin Duffy (who's now in Primal Scream)'s organ playing
comes much more to the fore, and Laurence's lyrics get even more
straightforward, although they're still utterly beautiful. The sound isn't
unlike a very Anglicised version of Bob Dylan's mid-60s "wild mercruy sound"
on Highway 61 Revisited or Blonde On Blonde. The first Creation album Let
The Snakes Crinkle Their Heads To Death is just short 'cocktail'
instrumentals, kind of easy listening, which is obviously quite a common
thing nowadays, post-dance music and post rock and Air and people like that,
but was pretty fucking weird in 1986. Next two are Forever Breathes The
Lonely Word and Poem Of The River, which are most people's favourite Felt
albums. The songwriting is fucking incredible on both of them ��Rain Of
Crystal Spires, A Wave Crashed On Rocks, She Lives By The Castle, All The
People I Like Are Those That Are Dead. The lyrics are heartbreaking: note
lyrical corespondence between A Wave... and A Century Of Fakers ("People are
crying, What are we gonna do/ People are dying, I don't care about them I
care about you/ In your wisdom, you ruined it all/ You sacrificed me for the
course of the storm...", which seems pretty much the same idea as the lyrics
of Century... It also contains the great couplet "Now it's all over like a
wave crashed on rocks/ I'm not your Jesus, will you get off my cross?" which
I think is genius) Next two are pretty odd: Train Above The City was really
panned at the time, cosisting as it does of Martin Duffy's 'jazz'
instrumentals on vibraphone and piano. The first side is a bit silly,
really, but the second side is more 'ambient' and bits are really great:
Book Of Swords is lovely. One thing that's certainly true of Train Above The
City is that it's proof that Felt were just reading from a totally different
map to any other band in the 80s (or,indeed, before or since). I can't think
of any other band that would have put that out. Then there's The Pictoral
Jackson Review, personal favourite, although that may have mroe to do with
the fact that I listened to it loads when I first left home and that was a
v. intense period in my life and it reminds me of that.One side has two long
instrumentals (Sending Lady Load is 13 minutes long or something) while the
other side has a load of v. short (1:30-2:30 minutes) proper songs. Bit
rougher than the two preceeding LPs, but the lyrics! ACE! ACE! ACE!
And then there's the last album, Me And A Monkey On The Moon, which was
deliberately intended to be their final album, and sounds a bit like a
resume of Felt's whole career. She Deals In Crosses sounds like something
off their first album (their new guitarist sounded a bit like Maurice
Deebank), Never Let You Go is perfect pop, Mobile Shack sounds more like
Denim than Felt. It's wicked. In fact, I'm going to put it on now...

Sorry for rambling on like this, but sometimes, in my weaker moments, I
think Felt are the greatest band in the history of rock, none of my mates
particularly like them, so I seldon get a chance to discuss their merits or
otherwise. If you're looking for a starting point, try either of the volumes
of Absolute Classic Masterpieces (one covers Creation years, the other the
early 80s stuff on Cherry Red). Or if you're rooting around second-hand,
there's Gold Mine Trash (which covers the early 80s) and Bubblegum Perfume,
another Creation comp. Those last two are both deleted and, actually,
Absolute Classic Masterpieces vols. 1 and 2 are both better. They've got
loads of non-album singles which are also fantastic ��Penelope Tree, Space
Blues, Ballad Of The Band...

And while we're on the subject, does anyone out there have copies of any
Felt gigs or any of the Peel Sessions they did? I'm also after a few singles
to complete my collection: Primitive Painters/Cathedral CD single, Ballad Of
The Band 12", Rain Of Crystal Spires 12", Final Resting Of The Ark 12' and
Space Blues 12". If anybody's got 'em, or knows where I can get 'em, please
get in touch.

And, on the subject of records that have clearly influenced Belle And
Sebastian, as anyone mentioned John Cale's Paris 1919 album? It's absolutely
marvellous from start to finish, and you can definitely hear echoes of songs
like Anadlucia and The Endless Plain Of Fortune. Ah, that sounds like a Felt
title...

Shit, another post to this list that makes me sound like Record Collector
magazine. Sorry kids. I'm quite interesting really...


love,

Alexis
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From JPQH at xxx.com  Sat Jan  9 02:33:37 1999
From: JPQH at xxx.com (JPQH at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:33:37 EST
Subject: Sinister: hiya
Message-ID: <ebcddb54.3696c001@aol.com>


Having lurked in the shadows for a long while (credentials: ICA Tindersticks
suppt - thurs night - fabbo, esp Stevie's sis's harmoica assistance, Manc Town
Hall -  Sunday Night -"some Orange Juice isn't bad, but I don't like the
people at all" -and Sheps Bush Empire - clap clap clap clap clap clap yay!), I
have been inspired to subscribe by the recent, and very heartening, boost in
quality posts.

Having (a) watched the list return to something approaching its inspired peak
of lunatic bollocks rambling nonsense (just as we like it); and (b) read
Duke's dookie pookie fookie book (which is available at Helter Skelterrr), am
feeling a bit left out.

What can I say;  I saw Edwin Collins, panning for gold at Legoland - this is
the truth!!!.  I sidled up to him and, although indisctinct, I swear i heard
him mumble "I wore my fringe like Roger McGuinn's, I wore it hoping to
impress, so frightfully camp, it made you laugh, tomorrow i'll buy myself a
dress", or something like that. My two year old nephew, who was with me at the
time, flipped a handstand, gazed at Edwin, and sang a note perfect rendition
of Simply Thrilled Honey, or something which sounded remarkably similar.

What else? - there used to be quite a bit of chat about film, particularly
french -on this list.  Well I have two things to say to you film boofes - 
(i) I went tonight for the first time to the Lux cinema in the city of London
to see Jean Paul Belmondo and Jean Seberg (Isobel's mum) in Breathless. The
whole experience was jolly nice indeed and highly recommended - they let you
buy beer from the trendy bar next door and consume it in the cinema;
(ii)  The book, "Easy Riders  Raging Bulls" by Peter Biskind -
woowoowoopdedoo, its  good, even if,  so far at least, the only fella who
comes out with a shred of dignity is  good ole Marty Scorcese.  You gotta
trust those short guys.

Well thats enough of me for the time being (other than to say Phil Ochs "Jim
Dean of Indiana", Gene Clark "Flying High", Gal Costa - first album, and Miles
Davis - "Bitches Brew - remastered" (and whilst we aren't on the topic of
music books, has anyone else read his autobiog, m*****f***er?)) - also, has
anyone seen that video of boymanbeckboy singing loserboy in Lisbon with
mariachibandbackinghim? - whoo or what?.

Keep the paste

kingphilip
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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Sat Jan  9 14:40:28 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:40:28 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: How does a Summer hurt?
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Hello !


HPN everyone! I thought I had unsuscribed just before I went home for
holidays,but I was wrong.I didn't write the right sentence or wahtever,so
246 dainty messages exuding sinisterness were looking forward to my
arrival eagerly yesterday...Well, it isn't a bad beginning for a brand new
year.They let me know most of you are alive and healthy and you have
already survived sucessfully to another Christmas.And some of the most
endowed 'pens' of the list are totally fit , better than ever, as Sista
Disco , the Duke,Mark C.,or Kevan,though Fluffy seems a bit quiet or /and
busy lately.

My Christmas in Madrid had not been brilliant,but at least I walked in
sunshine for a couple of days, and started to understand why British
tourists lie ten hours under the sun a day or run to have picnics in
gardens and parks with no apparent reason but another sunny day.

And I got some Spanish music,among them,the so praised Migala's second
album 'Asi duele un verano' = 'That's how a Summer hurts'.I am still
unable to describe such a pain,but 'The Whale' is amazingly,achingly
beautiful.(one of the songs in it)So if Stuart David recommended it , he
has as good taste as we suspected.Michael : so you have some agreement
with Jesus Llorente and so to distribute the records in UK...Are you going
to try to sell here Sr Chinarro,for example???


So,best wishes for 99.It's a quite luscious number,by the way 

xxxx

Arantxa


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From bp224996 at xxx.edu  Sat Jan  9 20:39:54 1999
From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick <> Sandcastle Records)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 15:39:54 -0500
Subject: Sinister: A Day in the Life of...me
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Hello Sinisterines,
	Well, let me start by saying that I continue to be terribly pleased
with the list, and that this is one of those slice of life-type posts,
so before I take up my pizza cutter, you may want to stop here if you're
not into that.
	Today, as you probably know, is a Saturday, and a particularly lovely
Saturday at that. Saturdays are the subject of nearly as many songs as
have been written about Sunday, and rightly so, because they're great.
This particular saturday, as those of you living in this particular
region of the United States will know, is one coated in powdery snow.
The snow isn't everywhere, nor is it pouring from the heavens. It simply
tops all the buildings and cars like so much frosty icing, and coats the
parts of the ground which haven't been cleared, including my walkway.
The sky is cloudy, and it's not too cold out. It's one of those days
that makes me prefer winter over summer. People probably normally think
I'm a bit mad, but you can take your humid sweaty days and shorts if
you'd like, you can never cool off, and warming up here is just a matter
of properly bundling up.
	So today I had set several errands for myself to do, most of which
involved record label things like sending off a package to Twee Kitten
mailorder and a few other places. So today I put together some CDs and
parcels, and then went uptown for a bit of lunch. I returned, allowed
myself some video game-playing time, and then set off for the post
office.
	There's one within walking distance of me, but it's a fair piece away,
and I'm not particularly keen on going all that way overburdened with
packages. Plus, I just got my car back, so it's a good excuse to drive.
I decided to take a demo I had gotten a couple months ago with me to
listen to in the car, because it reminds me of winter so much, and
that's how I wanted to feel today.
	The tape is one of those that takes a good 7 or 8 listens to really
appreciate it, much like just about every B&S or Field Mice release I
own. It's quite lovely, but I don't want to abuse the forum with
rantings about it, suffice it to say it will be out on my label someday,
if things work out like I hope.
	I was driving and listening, which is one of my favorite things to do
(the combination of the two, though each is nice alone, together they
are wonderful). I saw a couple of people shovelling snow, and playfully
throwing it on one another and laughing. And, seeing as how I was
concentrating on the music I was listening to, not where I was going,
and seeing as how I am rather scatterbrained, I was halfway to the
grocery store before I realized I was heading in the wrong direction.
	I recall that I was listening to my favorite song on the tape. I love
to listen to the backing vocals, which make one reflect on the beauty of
the voice of the girl who is singing backups, until they get to the part
where you can tell that are actually some miraculous sort of keyboard.
Lovely. Anyway, I was so pleased with the tape, I really didn't mind,
and I turned around and started heading to the post office. When I got
there it was closed. Again, I really didn't mind. I returned back here,
and that's where my story ends. 
 
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Sat Jan  9 22:23:49 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:23:49 -0800
Subject: Sinister: the poison apple
Message-ID: <001601be3c1e$bba39d20$0b11020a@rebelstrange>


>relationships. overrated anyways, i say. singlehood is the way to go.
>imagine, being able to go stay home on a saturday night if you want.
ooh, how original!!  a social life?  hemm what's that??  i'm afraid you have
lost me there.  sheesh!!  rub it in, pretty people!  what are we, chopped
liver?

on the shiny apple incident, nick dastoor muses:
I don't know about anyone else, but I don't find this whole incident
cute at all. In fact it makes me feel kind of queasy.  Would the Snow
White story have worked so well with a banana?

a point well taken, fella.  especially considering the inordinate amount of
freudian imagery i've been bombarded with lately myself, bananas and
otherwise.  fruit is not  to be trifled with, these are powerful
psycho-sexual  symbols.  what if, indeed, the rosycheeked elf boy of yore
turned out to cultivate that charming lisp as a cover for his diabolical
molestation plans?  it's possible the very hysteria my friend and i
experienced post-DC was due largely to some  strange concoction prepared
loving and injected into that very apple, which he did stroke and  cradle in
his hands like some malevolent Persian cat held by a james bond villain.
Chilling!!!

AS for the interview, i believe it was pjmiller who brings up  such queries.
the cello is indeed a mystery to be delved into.  as for the "nude"
painting, that seems to be merely the inflated imagination of a fantasizing
mind, as there is no mention in the article that the painting was nude.
however, it does prompt wondering exactly WHAT is in the painting.  yes
very curious indeed, i knew this would come up when someone got to reading
it.    and as for me, i can only pray that when the secret  glaswegian
operatives sneak up the church and snap telescopic photos of this strange
artwork, it does  NOT  turn out to be nude. my frail constitution would be
unable to withstand the sight of nude belle and sebastian, whether
photographic, or artistic impression.  who knows what lurks in the twisted
imagination and paintbrush of ms. campbell, especially relating to Agent
Murdoch?? if the tiger ears are any indication, i dont think i want to know.
sometimes ignorance really  *is* bliss.

Whoa. that's some big-time Felt information!!!!!

IF I WERE  PRESIDENT OF THESE UNITED STATES:
--Instead of muzak, all elevators and  phones on hold would play endless
stereolab
--wrapping paper would be banned
--Larry Flynt permanently sentenced to the stocks, where he could be
afflicted with random sadistic sexual acts by passersby
um i had another one but i forgot it never mind.
lesleyjo

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No bachelor has ever experienced such desolate loneliness as does the
spinster; for the bachelor is a man, and the older spinster but a male-like
woman.
--Dr. Joseph Tanenbaum,  _The Riddle of Woman_, 1936


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From WeeChrisBS at xxx.com  Sat Jan  9 21:27:07 1999
From: WeeChrisBS at xxx.com (WeeChrisBS at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:27:07 EST
Subject: Sinister: A day in the City and The Opera
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Hello List,

Well, yesterday Our Class Went On a Field Trip To The Opera hall in San
Francisco to See The opera "Madam Butterfly" i forget how Madam was spelled.
Maybe it is right anyways.....

On the way up I just listening to B&S,Charlatans UK,U2 and Placebo and a Wee
Bit of radiohead and Verve. anyways I happened to be in the car with the
teacher(yay me!) and she Some how heard the lyrics to "Pure Morning" by
Placebo and said "It was Degrading to Woman" and I said "Well you have to be
Undressed while Your Pressed and Boxing clever to understand the song" she
also Took offense to the name Bare Naked Ladies. I think next time I'll just
walk....

Finally we got there and had 2 hours to blow off.  So we Ate at ::Barf::
Burger king(Hey it was that or 1nch Patty's Mcdonalds) so I had a Double
Whopper Combo meal and Of Course Like I always do I got stomic aches. Aye I
think Im going to be a Vegetarian now expect Of Course For Chicken and Duck
expect When their Fried. I cant stand Fried food! but its weird cos I totally
hate Fried Chicken but love KFC.  Anyways I'm always a sucker for the Pot
Pie.......

Anyways On to The Damn Opera already.  well It was pretty good I admit For an
opera and I admit I was teary at the end but Ahh Why Can't they make an opera
where The Girl kills the Jerk guy and where She Doesn't either Kill herself or
get Killed. anyways a future project I guess but Im not a real fan of opera I
think the only ones I really like are "Madam Butterfly"(the one we saw) and
"Carmea". The rest are way over my head. I prefer Musicals yes ahh "Rent" I
love RENT. I wanna see it again and Of Course Damn Yankees and all the
classics. 

Anyways I've gone on long Enough,
Ta ta

-Damon
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From hyslopje at xxx.edu  Sat Jan  9 21:30:23 1999
From: hyslopje at xxx.edu (Jeffrey David Hyslop)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:30:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: A Call to Action, from Noam Chomsky, et. al
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Please distribute as widely as possible
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 A Call to Action on Sanctions and the U.S. War Against the People of Iraq

       by Noam Chomsky, Edward Herman, Edward Said, and Howard Zinn

                                January 8, 1999

At the end of 1998, the United States once again rained bombs on the people of
Iraq. But even when the bombs stop falling, the U.S. war against the people of
Iraq continues through the harsh economic sanctions. This is a call to action
to end all the war.

This month U.S. policy will kill 4,500 children under the age of 5 in Iraq,
according to UN studies, just as it did last month and the month before that,
all the way back to 1991. Since the end of the Gulf War, at least hundreds of
thousands -- maybe more than 1 million -- Iraqis have died as a direct result
of the UN sanctions on Iraq, which are a direct result of U.S. policy.

This is not foreign policy -- it is sanctioned mass-murder that is nearing
holocaust proportions. If we remain silent, we are condoning a genocide that is
being perpetrated in the name of peace in the Middle East, a mass slaughter
that is being perpetrated in our name.

The time has come for a call to action to people of conscience. We are past the
point where silence is passive consent -- when a crime reaches these
proportions, silence is complicity.

There are several tasks ahead of us.  First, we must organize and make this
issue a priority, just as Americans organized to stop the war in Vietnam, and
to protest U.S. policies in Central America and South Africa. We need a
national campaign to lift the sanctions.

This kind of work has already begun, and those efforts need our help. For the
past several years, individuals and groups have been delivering medicine and
other supplies to Iraq in defiance of the U.S. blockade. Now, members of one of
those groups, Voices in the Wilderness in Chicago, have been threatened with
massive fines by the federal government for "exportation of donated goods,
including medical supplies and toys, to Iraq absent specific prior
authorization." Our government is harassing a peace group that takes medicine
and toys to dying children; we owe these courageous activists our support.

Such a campaign is not equivalent to support for the regime of Saddam Hussein.
To oppose the sanctions is to support the Iraqi people. The people are
suffering because of the actions of both the Iraqi and U.S. governments, but
our moral responsibility lies here in the United States, to counter the
hypocrisy and inhumanity of our leaders.

Also, there has been a virtual embargo on news of the effects of the sanctions
in the mainstream media. For the most part, the American people do not know
what evil is being carried out in our name. We must continue to apply pressure
on journalists at all levels -- from our local papers to the network news -- to
cover this tragedy. We should overwhelm the major press with letters to the
editor and put pressure on journalists to cover the story.

And we must realize this could be a long struggle. Preparations should begin
for all the possible strategies, including civil disobedience once a sufficient
number of people are committed. Direct action that forces a moral accounting
likely is going to be necessary.

Whatever else we are doing, we should treat this as an emergency and put it at
the top of our agenda.  Existing groups can work on the issue, new groups may
need to be formed, and national networks need to be built. A good central
source of information exists on the web at http://leb.net/IAC/.

Without action by us, the horrors will go on, the children will continue to
die. We must appeal to the natural sympathies of the American people, who will
respond if they know what is happening. We must therefore bring this issue, in
every way we can, to national attention. The only way to avoid complicity in
this crime is to do everything we can, and much more than we have been doing,
to end the sanctions on Iraq. This issue must be discussed in every household
and every public forum across the country.




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From gary at xxx.uk  Sat Jan  9 22:23:59 1999
From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 22:23:59 -0000
Subject: Sinister: How I Wrote Elastic Man.
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Hello List...

Just a quick note, as the Fluffyone is unwell and I am on Florence
Nightingale duties.

Duke, you are so right. Of all the proper Felt albums, I'm missing the last
two, but feel safe to say ANY is worth getting as they a tip top indeed.
"Forever Breathes the Lonely Word" and Crumbling the Antiseptic Beauty" are
my two current faves. You can get them all from the labels which released
them. Both do mail order, go to Cherry Red and Creations sites for details.

Hmmm, by the time I've replied to this, I dare say a dozen people have
already mentioned that Mick is in the Ampheteminies. Anyway, yes they have
released a single,  called "Around the World in 5 1/2  Minutes" on F&J
records. It contains to cracking pieces of SKA, well worth the two and a
half quid it costs.

Now a heartfelt plea for two fellow listies to get in touch. Firstly the
Divine Ailsa Ross, cos I've sent you a couple of mails lately, the first of
which bounced and I just want to know if you got the second one OK.
Secondly, JonnyKat, where are you hiding ?.

Anyway, I'm off now to mop Fluffy brow and hold her hand.

Bye for now

Gary

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From vlass at xxx.com  Sat Jan  9 22:24:32 1999
From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 17:24:32 -0500
Subject: Sinister: naked girls, snow and hockey playing bears
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<<she also Took offense to the name Bare Naked Ladies. I think next time
I'll just walk.... >>

it's nice to see some good canadian music getting namedropped here on the
sinister list, eh? hee. well, as long as it's not i mother earth or moist i
won't get *too* mad.. :) but, anyway, yes, the name Barenaked Ladies created
somewhat of a minor stir in my area of the world when previous Toronto
mayor, June Rowlands also found the name offensive. She thought they were
some mean, degrading, kicking sand in childrens' faces- type band, not
chubby men who sang "if i had a million dollars, i would buy you a fur coat,
but not a real fur coat, that's cruel".

ack, enough talk about that!

wow, the list *has* been incredibly nice these days. quiet too... only 4 or
5 posts when i check instead of 20 or 30. and they're always long thoughtful
posts. awwww - see, given enough time we can really sort everything out
ourselves. honey - don't come back! we don't need you! (just kidding :) ) we
even have noam chomsky represented on the list! my sweeetie would be totally
pleased considering he's always sending me stuff like that to read. finally
at my own free will i took out a chomsky book, but it was a
linguistics-related one, which i'm told is not as powerful or something as
his political stuff.. well, boo. i think it's mighty interesting. but yeah,
sanctions are bad!!! and that is my political stance. that and bears
shouldn't play hockey! it looks really sad.. give them dignity!

neither my mom nor i have been in any condition to shovel the driveway this
week so we're practically snowed in. while mick mcmick enjoyed a little
dusting of snow, we have this huge dumping of it. sure sure, it looks pretty
and all that, especially right at twilight when it gets a neat blueish tint
but sheeesh. i'm starting to remember why i called my zine "melt the snow"..
hrrrm. 

i got a nice little belle and sebastian concert tape in the mail 2 days ago,
from one of new york shows, i think. it's funny, you can hear the illegal
illegal bootlegger exclaiming "wow!" after the first verse of "belle and
sebastian". there's no isobel song, sigh, but there is that song "lord
antony" that has embedded itself in my head. it doesn't pay to be smarter
than teachers, no sir. 

and even more belle and sebastian related news - i had a big big screaming
fight with a friend of mine over b&s cos he thinks that they suck, and
obviously they don't.. i mean, gee, he actually thinks that they have no
talent! i have absolutely no idea how anyone can think that. needless to
say, i was practically in tears cos i couldn't defend them adequately; i'm
terrible at yelling and fighting like that. eventually we simmered down and
made peace but still.. it's frustrating when i can't explain the way they
make me *feeeeel*.

i spent a good part of the afternoon sleeping and dreaming of springtime.

i nominate lesley jo for president,

teri xx


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From pookie59 at xxx.com  Sun Jan 10 04:00:06 1999
From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 20:00:06 PST
Subject: Sinister: bite me gwenthy paltrow
Message-ID: <19990110040006.3432.qmail@hotmail.com>



 hi list! you're all being such a delight lately!
oh god..i'm turning into a belle and sebastian weenie, i skipped school 
and went to an art gallery...actually i had my heart set on this museum 
of civilisation 'mysteries of egypt' (interactive fun! running around in 
a huge place! pyramid fun!) but it was closed..the gallery was quite 
fun,the Contemporary Art boggles my mind..one exhibit is just a bedroom 
that looks like it belongs to Austin Powers,zebra print bedsheets and 
all...and another is just this string stretched across a room,..and 
another is just some old butter containers...but interesting!

anyways,yes i wanted to see this shakespeare in love,yes yes it's 
supposed to be so wonderful,but it was all sold out so i saw waking ned 
divine,which i thought was going to be a stuffy old movie but turned out 
to be SO lovely,and funny,beautiful BEAUTIFUL scenery..naked old irish 
men on bikes,yay! it made me happy...The mini love story between 
pig-farmer was so simply sweet, why did God have to be cruel and place 
me so out of place,geographically speaking? i coudl've worn cute irish 
clothes,cute irish farmhands, the fun that could've been.. but it's all 
pink ski-doo jacket,jean-guy rubber boots and poutine breath.

thanks for the dexy's info boys! i've ordered them,eggstone and perry 
blake (he has a song called 'genevieve (the pilot of your thighs)' which 
is too cool for me so i had to get it just for that reason i shall buy 
whatever comes in first,and then put the other two under my arms and run 
fast.

lesley jo wrote:
i should be  brushing up on my  crap
>music now. is there a priize for  guessing? it  sounds like something
>dreadful.    here's one for you.  "Am I SEX-shoo ULLL.....(yeah, yeah)"
>that's all i know.  my friend listens to them.  gawd i need some new
>friends!!  what use is someone who has never heard of B&S? 

actually,i have a dear friend who LOVES the backstreet boys which i was 
always teasing her for,but she teases me just as much about 'sebastian 
and belle' and she thinks i'm silly,and i think she's silly ..the big 
vicious cycle....but actually,the boys saved us,i went to a concert in 
detroit with just her (driving,for the first time,without parents) and 
when we were sitting in the parking lot waiting to get out,we turned on 
'backstreets back (alright)' and all the pervies and serial killers were 
driven away.

o jeeze..i started off with belle and sebastian content,i really did! i 
was gonna talk about how that museum day was just like a belle and 
sebastian song *WEENIE ALERT! WOMP WOMP WOMP* but there are funner 
things to talk about yes...and i'm scared to death over this whole 
romulant buisness...maybe i'm not spelling 'romulant' write..it's a 
character off of star trek with pointy sideburns or something.

love love (lots),
genevieve


"Naked old Irish men on bikes,yay!" --------- Stuart Murdoch

p.s
hmm,i don't know if i have an actual reason for disliking evan dando, 
he's a dork...well maybe if i actually met him and he turned out be 
nice,but i sense evil.















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From tinystar at xxx.com  Sun Jan 10 04:45:16 1999
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 23:45:16 -0500
Subject: Sinister: rebel angels
Message-ID: <004101be3c54$4eec9700$131e05d1@tinystar>


hi all,

mmm, i bought some new and wonderful underwear today, dispelling the myth
that cheap underwear and expensive underwear are the same. indeed, they are
not, as i sit here marvelling at the way my new halston underwear make my
belly look like one sassy belly. for those of you in toronto (or near an
eaton's store), all the halston underwear is 50% off, so indulge. i
certainly did.

about evan dando: i still have the biggest crush on him! ever since i heard
the lemonheads version of "luka" i've been smitten. i even had a dream about
him once (well, erm, more than once, but that's not the point) where i was
in the hospital and he came in wearing a big furry moose costume and sang me
a song and gave me hugs to make me feel all better. i felt fuzzy for days.

about lesleyjo's wishes to ban wrapping paper: noooo! i say it should just
be necessary to reuse all of it. i found the most amazing paper this year,
some was plain silver and shiny, and there were others with pink angels on
clouds, and still more with shiny sparkly hologram dots. and yes, i am
totally anal with my wrapping paper as with everything else, and i slit the
packages open very cautiously. i've even tried using a knife to slice the
tape, but my family drew the line. however, we reuse all our wrapping paper,
even ribbons and bows, and i made several little bags that people are
reusing.

about my single people lament: i was being totally serious when i said that
i like staying home on saturday nights. and look! it's saturday night, and
i'm writing a message to a hundred people who really just exist in my head
and listening to stereolab and wearing my halston underwear that nobody else
will get to see (so feel lucky that you've had a description). but i'm not
bitter, oh no. i just get mad crushes on boys that write me email and live
on the other side of the world and can't make me soup to console me when i'm
sick. poo. but i will say that it's terribly scary to have friends who are
getting married. it makes me feel so...old. not in a bad way, just in a way
that's startling to me. like the same feeling i get when i listen to "retro
night" on the radio and discover that the songs they're playing are the
songs that i danced to in my first years of highschool. it just illustrates
how fast time goes, how undervalued it is, and how little of it i seem to be
able to remember. thank goodness for journals, and the fact that each
birthday comes with cake.

at work today, a gentleman with a little boy (isaac, 6 months, because i
usually ask) asked me why a man with a baby is a woman magnet, but a woman
with a baby is generally man repellent. i had to check my heart eyes before
i told him that it was because women already have this maternal instinct
that's assumed, and seeing them with children frightens some men, because
they're reminded that they may not be ready for certain obligations and
commitments, like a family, plus all their male ideals are called upon and
questioned. whereas a man with a baby appears to be well rounded and in
touch with his sensitive side: women like it if men do what is not
stereotypically expected of them and bond with the child. and women who see
this bonding are assured that the man is not afraid of showing emotion and
that he has within him the capacity to be sensitive and in touch with his
emotions. of course, all this is assumed. but this guy was really surprised
that i came up with that answer, which i'm sure sounded like a textbook
answer from somewhere, but that's what comes of too much thinking. and then
he bought a carseat, and i had the opportunity to bond with isaac. it's
amazing how a nice conversation with a total stranger can renew your faith
in humanity.

it's snowing again! this is the biggest snowfall in toronto in 40 years,
perfect for snow angels. i can feel your jealousy, but don't worry, mud
angels are just as fun.

mwah mwah,
jessicaxo


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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 10 15:11:15 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:11:15 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Blame it on TabbyWars
Message-ID: <199901101505.PAA23265@mailhub.solent.ac.uk>


	Hello list - all being very entertaining lately aren't you? 
Well, hey, here I am to spoil your fun ;) I am quite joyously happy 
for really silly trival reasons at the moment - The huge pile of work I 
was expecting is nothing much and quite fun anyway and I'm going 
to have lots of time free to go exploring around the country, so 
yeay! I wish there was a B&S thing to go to in the few weeks. Ah 
well. What is an SUV by the way? 
	Oh, forget all this - I really don't have anything to say 
except to ask you all nicely to go and write some stuff in my 
guestbook and that I've found a good new toy which generates 
Alanis lyrics, at http://www.brunching.com/toys/toy-
alanislyrics.html from which I generated Alanis's new belle & 
sebastian influenced single. Bear with me here.

I Think arab straps are really a huge problem
I Think filthy laughs are too much on my mind
I Think sofas have got a lot to do with why the world sucks
But what can you do?

Like a blue rain, beating down on me
Like a Kerouak line, which won't let go of my brain
Like Sebastian's ass, it is in my head
Blame it on The boy with the arab strap
Blame it on The boy with the arab strap
Blame it on The boy with the arab strap

I Think horses are gonna drive us all crazy
And terry underwear make me feel like a child
I Think city air will eventually be the downfall of civilization
But what can you do? 
I said what can you do?

Like a blue rain, beating down on me
Like a Kerouak line, which won't let go of my brain
Like Sebastian's ass, it is in my head
Blame it on The boy with the arab strap
Blame it on The boy with the arab strap
Blame it on The boy with the arab strap

Like a blue rain, beating down on me
Like Sebastian's smile, cruel and cold
Like Kerouak's ass, it is in my head
Blame it on The boy with the arab strap
Blame it on The boy with the arab strap
Blame it on The boy with the arab strap


James at twopounds.u-net.com
Go on, what are you frightened of?
(and remember - stick it in sideways)
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/
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From mfrx8mcs at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 10 15:53:43 1999
From: mfrx8mcs at xxx.uk (mfrx8mcs at xxx.uk)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:53:43 -0000
Subject: Sinister: sugar sugar bum cheeks
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Dear people

as this is my first posting it may not be wise but i just wanted to say it is
 possible to like the Backstreet Boys ("Am I SEX-shoo ULLL.....(yeah, yeah)" 
thank you lesleyjo, digest V3 #2) and B&S. 

honest

mary

oh dear i think i've just been pigeon-holed



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From biondino at xxx.com  Sat Jan  9 01:06:53 1999
From: biondino at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 17:06:53 -0800
Subject: Sinister: You can kees my wife
Message-ID: <3696ABAD.6B0@dial.pipex.com>


As everyone's been going on about how nice the list is at the moment, I 
thought I'd apologise for my frankly undeserved outburst against Linda 
McCartney - she's just as worthwhile as any other wife and mother 
and human bean of any age, creed etc. dying before their time. But no 
more.

I also was obviously not on song that day, as it was I who called Keith 
"winsome". Well I think he is! Surely it's a good thing? I'm glad he's 
back, anyway, and I hope I'll be able to bother him again next time I'm 
in Scotland.

Arantxa, you sweetie, you! I'm blushing with undeserved praise...

So I spent part of this afternoon helping my chickadee put up her new 
shelves. She clevely managed to hold the spanner wrong or something, thus 
resulting in me saying "no, like this" and beavering away for the next 
few minutes while she sat there with a shadow of a cunning smile on her 
lips...

This all came after my first ever trip to IKEA. What a scary place! Not 
as scary as going to B&Q, though. I found myself lusting after wrench 
sets and door handles, despite not a jot of interest in DIY, and bought 
myself some de-icer. God, impulse buying, how can you resist...

I'm going to try and buy a house this year. This spring, if I sort myself 
out quickly enough. If any listee estate agents have any advice, feel 
free to let me know...if I do manage to get a place, then I'd have a job, 
a house, a girlfriend (if she'll still have me), and pretty much 
everything I could want. Am I right to find this a bit nerve-wracking? 

I must admit to being a bit bored by "Crumbling the Antiseptic beauty", 
which I was listening to this morning. Bits of it are...nice, but that 
was about all. Is it a grower, like, say, If You're Feeling Sinister? 
Hope so, as it's not every day that bands are so highly praised on the 
list. Actually, when I'd been subbed only about 2 weeks, someone said how 
great Hefner are, and they then went ad released the second best album of 
last year. Stars. Which is why anyone within 200 miles of the Poetry caff 
should go and see them (is it this Friday?) at the next social. And 
that's an order.

Well, I've just found a remnant of my diet-breaking Crunchie, so I shall 
nibble on it while relaxing in front of an association football match on 
the box.

Has everybody heard about the bird?
love and snowflakes (I wish),
Pizza Boy xxx

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From winboog at xxx.net  Sun Jan 10 19:34:25 1999
From: winboog at xxx.net (Robert Morris)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:34:25 -0500
Subject: Sinister: A Call to Action, from Noam Chomsky, et. al
Message-ID: <199901101939.OAA17728@home.gis.net>



I would like to belong to just one mailing list where Chomsky never comes
up. Is this too much to ask? Thanks for the Spam Jeffrey.

                   Robert Morris
                   winboog at gis.net

now playing-Elvis Presley, the Memphis Record
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> Subject: Sinister: A Call to Action, from Noam Chomsky, et. al
> Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 4:30 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *****************
> Please distribute as widely as possible
> *****************
> 
> 
>  A Call to Action on Sanctions and the U.S. War Against the People of
Iraq
> 
>        by Noam Chomsky, Edward Herman, Edward Said, and Howard Zinn
> 
>                                 January 8, 1999
> 
> At the end of 1998, the United States once again rained bombs on the
people of
> Iraq. But even when the bombs stop falling, the U.S. war against the
people of
> Iraq continues through the harsh economic sanctions. This is a call to
action
> to end all the war.
> 
> This month U.S. policy will kill 4,500 children under the age of 5 in
Iraq,
> according to UN studies, just as it did last month and the month before
that,
> all the way back to 1991. Since the end of the Gulf War, at least
hundreds of
> thousands -- maybe more than 1 million -- Iraqis have died as a direct
result
> of the UN sanctions on Iraq, which are a direct result of U.S. policy.
> 
> This is not foreign policy -- it is sanctioned mass-murder that is
nearing
> holocaust proportions. If we remain silent, we are condoning a genocide
that is
> being perpetrated in the name of peace in the Middle East, a mass
slaughter
> that is being perpetrated in our name.
> 
> The time has come for a call to action to people of conscience. We are
past the
> point where silence is passive consent -- when a crime reaches these
> proportions, silence is complicity.
> 
> There are several tasks ahead of us.  First, we must organize and make
this
> issue a priority, just as Americans organized to stop the war in Vietnam,
and
> to protest U.S. policies in Central America and South Africa. We need a
> national campaign to lift the sanctions.
> 
> This kind of work has already begun, and those efforts need our help. For
the
> past several years, individuals and groups have been delivering medicine
and
> other supplies to Iraq in defiance of the U.S. blockade. Now, members of
one of
> those groups, Voices in the Wilderness in Chicago, have been threatened
with
> massive fines by the federal government for "exportation of donated
goods,
> including medical supplies and toys, to Iraq absent specific prior
> authorization." Our government is harassing a peace group that takes
medicine
> and toys to dying children; we owe these courageous activists our
support.
> 
> Such a campaign is not equivalent to support for the regime of Saddam
Hussein.
> To oppose the sanctions is to support the Iraqi people. The people are
> suffering because of the actions of both the Iraqi and U.S. governments,
but
> our moral responsibility lies here in the United States, to counter the
> hypocrisy and inhumanity of our leaders.
> 
> Also, there has been a virtual embargo on news of the effects of the
sanctions
> in the mainstream media. For the most part, the American people do not
know
> what evil is being carried out in our name. We must continue to apply
pressure
> on journalists at all levels -- from our local papers to the network news
-- to
> cover this tragedy. We should overwhelm the major press with letters to
the
> editor and put pressure on journalists to cover the story.
> 
> And we must realize this could be a long struggle. Preparations should
begin
> for all the possible strategies, including civil disobedience once a
sufficient
> number of people are committed. Direct action that forces a moral
accounting
> likely is going to be necessary.
> 
> Whatever else we are doing, we should treat this as an emergency and put
it at
> the top of our agenda.  Existing groups can work on the issue, new groups
may
> need to be formed, and national networks need to be built. A good central
> source of information exists on the web at http://leb.net/IAC/.
> 
> Without action by us, the horrors will go on, the children will continue
to
> die. We must appeal to the natural sympathies of the American people, who
will
> respond if they know what is happening. We must therefore bring this
issue, in
> every way we can, to national attention. The only way to avoid complicity
in
> this crime is to do everything we can, and much more than we have been
doing,
> to end the sanctions on Iraq. This issue must be discussed in every
household
> and every public forum across the country.
> 
> 
> 
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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 10 21:16:15 1999
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:16:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: How come we never get any snow round here?
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Well I've been back a few days now, and this is about the first time I've
been sober enough / not too hungover to write anything. Pity I've nothing
desperately interesting to say, but why change the habit of a lifetime?

On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Mark Casarotto wrote:
> 
> I'm going to try and buy a house this year. This spring, if I sort myself 
> out quickly enough. If any listee estate agents have any advice, feel 
> free to let me know...if I do manage to get a place, then I'd have a job, 
> a house, a girlfriend (if she'll still have me), and pretty much 
> everything I could want. Am I right to find this a bit nerve-wracking? 

Well I leave this place in the summer for good and enter the real world.
And at the moment I don't have a job, a house, a girlfriend, or pretty
much anything I could want. Am I right to find this a bit nerve-wracking?

> Actually, when I'd been subbed only about 2 weeks, someone said how 
> great Hefner are, and they then went ad released the second best album of 
> last year. Stars. Which is why anyone within 200 miles of the Poetry caff 
> should go and see them (is it this Friday?) at the next social. And 
> that's an order.

Well it's only Darren Hayman (sp?) from the band doing a solo gig, but
it'll still be fantastic. And it's on Friday 22nd. Their new EP is meant
to be coming out in the next month, which I'm also looking forward to.

Oh, and speaking of new material, can any of our spies in Glasgow tell us
anything about the new B&S material yet?

I missed you...

Big Stu


PS Hope you all had a better Christmas and New Year than I did, mine was a
nightmare :-(



Today's limerick of the day:
"There was a young lady from Slough
 Who developed a terrible cough.
 How was she to know
 It would last until now?
 We'd better just hope she pulls through!"

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From akumulator at xxx.com  Sun Jan 10 22:18:49 1999
From: akumulator at xxx.com (paul dean)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:18:49 EST
Subject: Sinister: belle & sebastian on aceeeeeeed!
Message-ID: <19990110221850.26486.qmail@hotmail.com>


ok i was drunk, it was late & the sound was terrible but if you were in 
boston beer works off fenway park on friday night i'm sure you would be 
able to corroborate.
 The radio station was WFNX & it was about midnight..the announcer 
mentioned something about b&s and then proceeded to play a bangin' 
chuune - about halfway through my girlfriend nudged me & said that it 
was belle & sebby. I obviously scoffed but then slowly it creeped up on 
me that it was 'the boy with the arab strap' with the music speeded up & 
the lyrics at the same speed. 

someone please help - what is going on here - is this a WFNX joke or 
have 'tin tin out' managed to do the same to our heroes as they did to 
the sundays!!?

i'm going for a lie down

s'later

paul.

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From joe005 at xxx.net  Sun Jan 10 22:59:59 1999
From: joe005 at xxx.net (JOE DIEDRICH)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:59:59 -0500
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ok checking if this works.
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From joe005 at xxx.net  Sun Jan 10 23:12:39 1999
From: joe005 at xxx.net (JOE DIEDRICH)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:12:39 -0500
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Since this is my first message also, I will be brief.
I want to see if this is working, so in order not to waste your time,
and seeing as how I will be a regular poster, or at least reader, I will
tell you a little bit about myself.
My name is Jonelle and I am from Detroit, Michigan.  It seems that there
are a lot of people here from across the ocean, rather than the states.
My first Belle & Seb. album was Lazy Line Painter Jane, I fell in love
with it.
I am excited to get to know all of you so we can talk about Belle and
Seb. and everything else. So I'm expecting a welcoming, happy bunch. 
Well that wasn't as brief as I thought it would be.  Oh well.
Bye for now, Jonelle.
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From tuckfield45 at xxx.com  Sun Jan 10 23:34:16 1999
From: tuckfield45 at xxx.com (Lauren Caulfield)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:34:16 PST
Subject: Sinister: first greetings
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hello there,
i just read an email from jonelle in the states which inspired me with 
the confidence to send my first post, having quietly observed the nature 
of proceedings for several days and being somewhat new to the whole 
mailing list type thing. so this is just to say a friendly hello and to 
growl about the overbearing assistant in a record store i visited in 
liverpool today. to be more specific, the aforementioned individual who, 
in an aggressive and belittling tone, loud enough to include everyone in 
the store, attempted to convince me that B&S have released nothing since 
arab strap. and indeed implied that this is just a modern rock song is 
not in existence, and furthermore that i was foolish to engage in debate 
regarding his superior musical knowledge. grrr. um, sorry, i didn't 
intend to fill this with whingeing but i thought maybe you'd 
sympathise/feel i was justified/reaffirm my faith in people etc. here's 
hoping,
                                   lauren.
         

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From bluefishy at xxx.com  Sun Jan 10 18:42:12 1999
From: bluefishy at xxx.com (bluefishy at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:42:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: sinister
Message-ID: <9901101342121C.10146@weba6.iname.net>


Dear Sinisterines, I read the article someone posted from the Evening Post, and I thought the style of writing was so quaint and informal.  If it's just an ordinary newspaper, then why are they reporting on a band? Reading though the posts, I thinking it's unfair that I, being not British, can't say cute things like "ace" or "suchlike." 
                                 Eleanor Bluefishy

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From mconnell at xxx.au  Mon Jan 11 01:31:36 1999
From: mconnell at xxx.au (Michael)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:31:36 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: We're Off To Button Moon, we'll follow Mr Spoon...
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Hi Sinister-ites!

Me first ever post huh? Best make it interesting. Some things about me

Me Name: Michael
My football team: St Mirren FC
My place of birth: Irvine, Scotland
My favourite drink: Rum
Favourite kids show: Button Moon and/or Sooty
Favourite Normal Show: Lano and Woodley
Song that's going through my head right now: The Universal (Blur)
Favourite part of Eat Your Peas, the new Martin-Molloy CD: Daniel saying
the President is a goose...
Favourite Toy: My Tickle Me Elmo

At the moment I'm drifting through today, wondering some key things. That's
all! Hello to you all!

Michael


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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Mon Jan 11 06:07:58 1999
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:07:58 EST
Subject: Sinister: first greetings
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In a message dated 99-01-10 18:37:05 EST, you write:

> o be more specific, the aforementioned individual who, 
>  in an aggressive and belittling tone, loud enough to include everyone in 
>  the store, attempted to convince me that B&S have released nothing since 
>  arab strap. and indeed implied that this is just a modern rock song is 
>  not in existence, and furthermore that i was foolish to engage in debate 
>  regarding his superior musical knowledge.


I'm feeling very bitchy, so my suggestion is that you find and buy the Modern
Rock Song ep, go back to the first store carrying the ep in the bag from the
store in which you found it.  Locate the annoying, overbearing little
assistant and have the manager called over.  Ask the assistant again about the
existance of any B&S material released since TBWTAS.  When he says there is
nothing, pull out Modern Rock Song and ask him what the hell he thinks it is
-- a mirage?  Then ask the manager why he would possibly keep such an ill-
informed assistant on the payroll.  Point out that perhaps the store where you
DID find the ep is a better place to shop as it is better stocked, better
informed, and better staffed.  Stalk out with your head high and go home and
enjoy the ep.

Ok, maybe not.  But nice to think about doing in any event.  You know how we
Americans are :)  Made me feel better to type this out -- and I wasn't even
there in the first place.



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From frantila at xxx.com  Mon Jan 11 10:02:53 1999
From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:02:53 EET
Subject: Sinister: Sinister: Catatonia
Message-ID: <19990111080254.28766.qmail@hotmail.com>


Dec Wrote:

>all my f***ed up mates like f***ing dance sh*t like Sash and the bloody 
Tamperer.

We have a city here in Finland called Tampere. A funny coincidence, 
ain't it? Hmm, i need myself a life. 

@--->--- love etc, a body in a plasticbag, chopped to pieces, some 
onions to go please, hold the melon, jarkko fr�ntil�.


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From 4v54millerr at xxx.edu  Mon Jan 11 08:25:02 1999
From: 4v54millerr at xxx.edu (4v54millerr at xxx.edu)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:25:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: first greetings
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Dear List

WEll, this seems to be the trend.  So I offer you my greetings.

How do you do?

This is my first post to the list, and i first want to say that I think it
is wonderful and incredible that people can put so much in to their posts
and use such great wit.  That was the first thing that struck me.  Wit.  I
just got on the B&S bandwagon very recently, and I'm still learning more
and more about them.

So here's a little something about me.  I'll make this quick..... I'm
Ryan, I live in the states, live in Maryland, go to school in Wisconsin.
20 years old.  Introduced to B&S by my lady-friend.  It alwasy strikes me
how cool it is that a band can create such a great fanbase and not have
all that radio airplay.  Our friends are the best promoters.  

In response to that story about the music store employ that wasn't very
well informed.... that's just terrible.  Whenever you just want to look
around, they always bug you, and when you ask for help, they are either no
where to be found, or just plain dumb.  ok, that was a run-on
sentence... I just hate when the have attitude.  Oh, they get to wear that
nametag and all and they feel like they have the right to be all badass
about it.  Sorry......I've had some bad experiences myself.

As for backstreet boys, I have to give them the thumbs down.  It's just 
New Kids on The Block -- the next generation.  (but if you like them,
that's okay! not lookin to get people to hate me after my first post....)

Okay, that's all for me.  I'm going to sleep now.  Hope everybody out
there has a good Monday.  If not a good one, at least not a bad one. =]

Fare thee well,
Ryan

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From cleonard at xxx.COM  Mon Jan 11 11:02:30 1999
From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:02:30 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Protein Pills
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Big Stu asked if anyone knew anything about new records.  Well I know
something, me and miss julia were speaking to mick before the
Amphetameanies gig on the 19th December - Mick said Belle and Sebastian
had been in the studio all week and they had recorded some songs.  One
is written by Stuart but Isobel sings it and one is a duet between
Stuart and Isobel.   Exciting, eh Ted? 

jessica was curious:
>could someone share which song this is and which album it is from? i have
>the hangman's beautiful daughter" (which i have been inspired to put on,
>which will be followed immediately by the creation and then robert wyatt),
>and i don't recall any mention of ducks on a pond. there are, um, fish, and
>buffaloes, and mice and lions, but no ducks.

I will share.  Ducks on a Pond is on "Wee Tam".  It's the epic album
closer with the best kazoo solo in it ever (apart from when anyone plays
the Imperial March from The Empire Strikes Back on kazoo.  That
instantly becomes the best kazoo solo ever).  "Wee Tam and the Big Huge"
was a double album released in 1967 which came with a free illustrated
poem by Robin Williamson called "The Head".  For some reason "Wee Tam"
and "The Big Huge" have been re-released on seperate CD's.   

Christ, I love the String Band.  And Bowie.  
Hello to all you new kids!

Robert Morris said:
>Thanks for the Spam Jeffrey.

That sounds dead funny.   I've got a spam jeffrey too.

I had an ail sandwhich last night.  I didn't know it was garlic, I
thought it was ail.  Now this morning I am very smelly indeed.  If you
couldn't see me you may possibly mistake me for a spam jeffrey, because
everyone knows that spam jeffrey's smell of garlic, don't they?  I'm
rather paranoid about just how smelly I am to tell the truth.  I can
feel garlic burning in the back of my throat like a putrid cauldron of
dog.  I may have to drink some bleach to sort this out - keep clear
kids, I reek. 

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From rap101 at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 11 11:43:16 1999
From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:43:16 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: missionary zeal and underwear competitions
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.990111111650.17253A-100000@mailer.york.ac.uk>


buongiorno!

i must first say that york university campus is looking
uncharacteristically beautiful today, owing to the bright sunshine and
frost and ice on the lake, on which the resident ducks are happily
skidding around. this computer room is still relatively soulless though,
or at least it was until i unleashed the power of sinister from my mailbox
a few minutes ago, so thanks everyone.

this happened last night: i am sitting idly in my living room waiting for
a friend to come round and borrow a book ('the praise of folly' by erasmus
- i wouldn't recommend it really) and half listening to my housemates and
a friend of theirs discussing drum and bass music. suddenly the friend
breaks off to say 'i love that belle and sebastian album, i must buy it.
do you know them?' in a strange, straight out of the movies movement, the
heads of all three of my housemates simultaneously swivel towards me, and
they even POINT. 'her. SHE's the one' they say, or something similar, and
i realise that i have acquired a reputation. i am KNOWN for this b&s
obsession. it defines me. woh. anyway, after i get over the shock of the
transition from d&b to b&s i boringly tell her everything they've done and
offer to make her a compilation tape of pre-TBWTAS stuff, and she is
grateful and i am happy at the prospect of another convert. the beat goes
on...

but apart from that my weekend was poo. i should have followed jessica's
example and stayed in on saturday night instead of allowing myself to be
subjected to lots of loudness in a crap bar and not being able to talk to
my friends. i'm also suffering from glitter envy as everyone but me seems
to have sparkly faces/hair/bodies at the moment. maybe buying myself some
new underwear would revive me... and we could all start an 'ink polaroid
of our underwear' competition, with points to be awarded for material,
brand, fit, accessories (tassels perhaps?), whether it matches (girls
only) and powers of poetic description.

i'll stop now.

love to all, archel xxx

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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 11 12:13:01 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:13:01 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: To be or not to be a dork
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9901111201170.25807-100000@granby>




Hello on cold Monday! (at least in the East Midlands)


Genevieve said she had no reasons to think Evan Dando was a dork,as she
had never met him.I did once, and he is , of course, he is !

My boyfriend those days (beginning of 1997) was a big fan of his and went
to see him in Madrid.Later,I met him with other friends in a bar (if there
is someone from Madrid reading,at the Tupperware,exactly)and Evan just
popped in with some other blokes from his band,roadies,girlfriend and so
on.My boyfriend was craving for his autograph but he was too shy to go and
chat him up,so my friend and I did.He was really stupid,signed something
very vaguely on his concert ticket,and them mumbled it was his real
signature,showing his NHS card and Gold Visa one to prove it when my
friend complained at seeing his lazy handwriting...

The only good thing was that the lad with him who told me I was
the
most beautiful girl he had seen in years and he would like to talk to me ,
to have a drink and so on, and he looked quite cute,by the way.My
boyfriend didn't like this project too much as you can understand,can't
you?
He was the bassist from You am I ,they had been supporting the Lemonheads
that night.It is my only brush of fame in life!
So,I have some reason to agree he is a twat.I just met another famous
people after concerts and they were normal, even when I didn't like them
very much before,for example,John Squire.Others were just lovely,like
Jonathan from the Pastels.It's true all the Pastels songs have something
in common,but it doesn't make them despisable,very much on the
contrary,reinforcing their 'homely' charm.

What about Haircut 100? I have no clue about their
music,procedence...etc.Just read some remark about them within an article
devoted to The Legendary Jim Ruiz Band.

NO Bellie content..sorry !

Arantxa


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From mrsmurdoch at xxx.com  Mon Jan 11 12:08:37 1999
From: mrsmurdoch at xxx.com (Mrs Murdoch)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:08:37 PST
Subject: Sinister: Hello Everybody!
Message-ID: <19990111120837.17931.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello Everybody, it's Mrs. Murdoch here, Stuart's mum.   

I hope you are all settled back into your school work after the festive 
period.  I had a terrible time getting Stuart to go back to school last 
Thursday - he was kicking and screaming and crying.  "None of the boys 
and girls like me!", he said.  "But you have to go", I said, "You're the 
Janitor!".  Ho ho, just a little joke that fell out of a cracker.

I see a lot of you are new to the list, like me.  It is a little scary 
posting, isn't it?  Especially when no-one responds to your posts, when 
you expect lots of people to.  I recommend, if you can, go for a big 
walk after posting.  That way, when you come back there will be response 
posts waiting.  If there are none, it doesn't matter because you'll be 
sleepy from the walk, and you won't want to read them anyway. 

 
Robert Mctaggart said on Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:19:40
>Mrs Murdoch, you are my list crush

Oh how lovely, but you'd better not let Mr. Murdoch hear you saying 
that.  He's a very passionate and jealous man.   But Robert, you can be 
my list crush too, as long as we keep it secret.  Am I having one of 
those "internet affairs" now?  Does that mean if we ever meet I'm 
expected to "put out"?  Oh dear, I don't like the sound of that.  I'm 
afraid I've changed my mind Robert, you are not my list crush.  I'm a 
married lady.

I asked Stuart if he has made any New Year's Resolutions.  He gave me a 
list:

1.  I should do more to help the poor and needy.
2.  I must not let Isobel bully me any more.
3.  I must not let David and Katrina bully me any more.
4.  I must cut down on the wanking.
5.  I must speak clearer.

I think he'll do it, especially with my support.  I have made one 
resolution:

1.  I must post more often to the Sinister Mailing list

Which hopefully I'll do with your support!  
I thought of that ending last night in bed.

Lot's of Love,
	Mrs. Murdoch

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From tuckfield45 at xxx.com  Mon Jan 11 13:42:12 1999
From: tuckfield45 at xxx.com (Lauren Caulfield)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 05:42:12 PST
Subject: Sinister: a note of thanks
Message-ID: <19990111134213.16792.qmail@hotmail.com>


hello there,
feeling much perked up by the display of support regarding the record 
store sod. walking around with a warm glow inside. even considering 
turning up to said store with emails and ep in hand and telling him to 
kiss my lily white ass :p (as advised), although in reality i shall 
probably continue with my present strategy of non-action.
i saw ice in a puddle for the first time this morning ... it looked so 
very pretty, but cracked when i stepped on it and then i was so 
concerned with my sodden socks that i lost my wonder at the beauty of 
the moment. ah well.

anyway, my quota of interesting anecdotes ends there... before it began 
really. so i guess it's good-bye...i just realised that this had nothing 
to do with B&S, although having noted that i've effectively mentioned 
them. teh heh, i'm a crafty kinda girl.  have a lovely day.

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From lee.whitehead1 at xxx.net  Mon Jan 11 13:57:28 1999
From: lee.whitehead1 at xxx.net (Lee Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:57:28 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Fw: Calling all whiz kids....Calling all whiz kids...
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First of all i apologise for the nature of this post, but your the best
people to help me you see. (I'll try to dream up some belle and sebastian
content at the end of my pleading.)

I need some help in sorting out a web site that supports large sound files
(like the treehouse theatre), and its here my problems begin. What do i need
to do (or buy) in order to convert my music, which is on an analogue 4-track
to a sound file on a web page...."if it's too hard i wont understand it".

Some of the sinister crew seem clued up about web sites and all that, i'm a
novice at best. Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

As for the promised belle and Sebastian content....well i cant think of any,
but i did check out the treehouse site the other day, they have a new band
in the theatre, i forget what their called but it begins with M, and their
Spanish, the songs i listened too were really good, well worth checking out
(if you haven't already).

I dont know if this message will work as i,ve just installed a joined a new
ISP,
it seems to have taken over my existing outlook express address, and i
havent subscribed to sinister with this new one....this only illustrates my
point.....i'm useless with computers....i'm gonna send this anyway (blind
faith).

Well, it didn't work that time, this gives me another chance to apologise to
the people who aren't interested in this sort of thing, sorry. time to try
again.....



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From WeeChrisBS at xxx.com  Mon Jan 11 15:25:01 1999
From: WeeChrisBS at xxx.com (WeeChrisBS at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:25:01 EST
Subject: Sinister:Lennon/Harrison Dream #2
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Hello There,

I just woke up and Am in my PJs and tired then hell. I'll probaly take a nap
in math...... Anyways on to My dream I had last night.

Ok First,  It was night time and I was walking with people I didn't know then
finally out of nowhere SWOOSH! John Lennon joins us.At this time I was scared
and wanted to go home, I was about to cry. then right when we were about to
cross the street George Harrison and a car of people stop infront of us and
start cursing at us and John lennon got mad and was about to attack Harrison
then I walked in the middle of us and said JUST CHILL THINK PEACE LIKE JUST
LIKE THE 60s ALRIGHT?(No I'm not a hippie and No I don't say "chill") and then
they were all silenced and then George Harrison started the car and gave me
THe Power to the people fist sign and Everyone else in the car was going AMEN
AMEN and then Finally they left. John Lennon was still mad and wanted to beat
up Harrison. then Finally I woke up and I was happy That I hadn't really
walked that far or else My Mommy and Daddy would be really mad at me! 

	Well Kiddies, I must get out of my PJs ::cry:: and get in Real clothes,Drink
the leftover milk in my cereal bowl and Go to the bus stop where I'll meet the
Major of Noble standing who looks down at me like I was never born.

-Damon
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From ooon at xxx.th  Mon Jan 11 16:48:51 1999
From: ooon at xxx.th (oon)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:48:51 +0700
Subject: Sinister: Sawaddee 1999!
Message-ID: <369A2B72.591B88CE@samart.co.th>


Happy 1999 everyone!

how time fly.  especially when you're in a country
with abject economic crisis.

Chris is such a beautifully sweet boy, isn't he?
(everyone if you see him with a Thai-looking
necktie, please compliment.  it's from me.
even though i never see him wearing that myself,
i dare say chris looks so lovely wearing it, no matter
what he smells like)

and you've seen photo of my mother and father!
(me whisper to linda "can i see it too?")
aren't they great :)
my mother and my father really take good care
of me, how i love them.  if i ever win an oscar
or something that let you thank people globally i'd
proclaim my gratitute to them and weep.
oh and i got to mention Genevieve too, for the precious
drawing of Stuart David.  manly and hairy
in school uniform, ie. pleat skirt.  what can i say?
this is, by all means, the meaning of the word
P R O V O C A T I V E  itself.

my whole new year holiday was spent mostly in bed
succumbing to the soporific effect of my allergy
medication.  the doctor ordered me to stay in, keep
in cool place and forbid alcohol in any form.  but as
new year was beckoning, blindly and boldly
i staggered out to new year eve dinner.  it's a lovely
hotel on the riverside, with remarkably thoughtful
service. in an attempt to keep us with them for
the count down to new year, they struggled to serve
5/6 course meal in nearly 4 hours.  needless to say,
i rose to the occasion and took a few naps along
the meal.  hmm if only they served that in bed.

that's just about all the fun and excitement for me
this new year day.  that and how i consume
my new year champagne.  drop by drop. total one spoon.

can you tell i've been looking in English dictionary?
especially the 'S' section.  that sollip something
word really bug me.  Mr.Miller, look what you've
done!  i went and borrowed a dictionary just to look
it up and it wasn't there!  did you make it up?  how
come Mrs.Warrander know it if you made it up?
i must admit i find a lot of unknown-to-me words
on the list lately.  (sometime it's all known-to-me
words but them together become unknown sentence,
and so on so on)  however, the soporific effect of my
medication only allows me to remember that one
word.  i think it's about time to find my own dictionary.
if only to read your messages. you really are worth it of course.

and mark was talking about impulse buying. ooh i'm in
the middle of repenting that.  that allergy thing got
me suffered so much i dedicated last week to make it
up by buying gifts for myself.  and buying gifts
for myself i actively did.  a lot of impulse certainly
involved.  Archel said Glittery!  oh yes, my newest
purchase, it's white, it's fluffy, it's glittering!
not something to be wear outside Alaska from the
look of it.  but it's so lovely.  i blame my impulse!
however, my felicity remains in this nifty trousers
that looks likely to win my trousers of 1999 award.
yes, even this early.  i put it on and i felt in love!
very flexible waist!  all you can eat!  huhhuhhuhhuh
except i won't have much to eat this month after
all the spending.  doh.

i like when you call people by their last name.  very exotic!
no one ever call me by last name.  actually, no one call
anyone by last name here.  by their father or mother name
sometimes when you want some exercise. but that's just
when you're kids.  i think our parrot must have been mistaken
for turkey and, um, done whatever you do to turkey at
thanksgiving by now.  hence the disappearance.  thus,
i nominate our poetrypusher Trousers to stride forward
and elect someone to carry on this legacy.

Adam, the Vic Godard story is really funny.  i like
all the Wee Chris stories too.  and Michele's word of
wisdom...

> I'm feeling very bitchy, so my suggestion is ------
(snip)

there you go Sister!  (fist punching the air in support)
now i know where to get advice on how to take care
of my enemy!

Arantxa mentioned the Legendary Jim Ruiz Group, i say
Go get them all Sisters and Brothers!  (fist still
punching the air in support)  they'll make your life
better.  at least make you smile a lot more.

i'm glad to see Keith back.  he's back and my winter
is back too!  coincidence?  i think so.

to new sinister friends, i usually don't write this much
(bollocks).  it's just that i've been eating so much lately
i need an outlet.  i'll go now.

goodnight,
oon xxx

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From MctaggartR at xxx.com  Mon Jan 11 16:45:44 1999
From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:45:44 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Even food don't taste that good
Message-ID: <A141A8FB79B3D1118E2D006097E0308B0D071E@MAILSERVER>


Hello my feathered friends,

With the roar of the 11.45 Air Canada flight to Toronto still ringing in my
ears, the Vengaboys video just doesn't make me laugh any more, and my
stockpile of marzipan somehow doesn't taste the same.

On a brighter note, can I join the general feeling of joy at the lively
state of the list right now?  It gives me a warm feeling all over.  Mind
you, I still miss Tim Hopkins.  Times must be hard in the chocolate
consultancy business.  And where's Susannah?  And R!O!D!?  And does David
and Katrina's absence mean we have to rely on hearsay and conjecture from
now on?

Jarkko wrote:

>We have a city here in Finland called Tampere. A funny coincidence, 
>ain't it? Hmm, i need myself a life.

I've been to Tampere.  It's the home of a thriving Romo scene and the
tallest building in Scandinavia.  This building has a revolving restaurant
at the top.  Revolving restaurants rule.  I had this idea that it would spin
round incredibly quickly, so the crockery, cutlery and waiters would fly
around the room in a comedy fashion, but no, they revolve slowly, enabling
you to get a 360 degree view of the stunning vista below.  Very civilised.
There's a Moomin museum in Tampere too.  That was very nice.  I think I'll
take Wumpkinny to Finland for our holidays this year so I can ravish her in
the sauna.  Don't tell her I told you that.

Incidentally, give me the Tamperer over Catatonia any day.

I also want to go to the Ice Hotel they have in Lappland that Genevieve was
talking about.  Does anyone know how that works?  Do you have to wear Polar
Bear pyjamas?

Why does Mark Cassarato start every mail with an apology these days?  Is he
going for the part of Timmy Lumsden in the forthcomong remake of "Sorry"?  I
am with Anne on the Paul n'Linda issue, though.  At first I thought she was
talking about our very own Paul and Linda, which confused me a little.  But
yes, let's not forget Linda's considerable photographing talents, and her
delicious enchiladas, she's not *just* a wife and mother.  And I've got a
soft spot for Wings having grown up listening to my Dad's copy of "Ram",
which has "Sitting in the back seat of my car" and "Uncle Albert" on it,
both of which are smashing.  The band the Beatles could've been, as Alan
Partridge said.

Felt are pretty good, but the Go Betweens are better.

That's me finished.

Love
Tag xx
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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 11 20:06:24 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:06:24 -0000
Subject: Sinister: You never quite learned the song.
Message-ID: <199901112000.UAA11063@mailhub.solent.ac.uk>


	Hey sinisterines, you all seem to have gone quiet of late... 
I hope there's not some evil robot from the future tracking down and 
systematically killing us all from honey's membership list. Anyway, 
I'm here to tell you all about the thing that was on TV over here last 
night called 'Shooting The Past' - and I know this probably isn't the 
place to go on about some TV programme, but it was the best 
thing on since the singing detective, and that was 15 years ago. I 
could be exaggerating but I don't think so... Anyway, superficially it 
was about the closure of a photo library (B&S points there) but 
underneath, well... Let's just say that when it finished I swore to 
anyone listening (i.e. nobody but that's not the point) that I would 
rather die tomorrow than waste my life in the pursuit of money. And 
I sat down and wrote more than I've done in the last month. I really 
reccomend it. Except half of you can't see it. Humph. In the less 
real world my new guestbook fucked up big time and had to be 
reset, so if you wrote anything, *sorry* and please go back again. 
Plus today I finished putting up the first issue of my tawdry zine so 
if you want to see that... you'd better be a bit of a Pulp enthusiast. 
	Some people were talking about the incredible string 
band... excellent stuff. Especially that song about the magic 
hedgehog that goes "you learnt all the words / and you followed the 
tune / but you never quite learned the song she sung" which is just 
beautiful. I think that's on the 'Thousand spirits or the layers of the 
onion' album with the one about the happy cloud. I like the stuff up 
until they gave up drugs and joined the scientologists. Apparently 
one of them is now the mayoress of aberystwyth. Ah, you're better 
asking my dad about them. 
	Hello to all the newcomers too - especially one who hasn't 
announced her presence... Feel free to in your own time.... 
	I have a stupid urge to listen to 'Fantastique No.5' by 
Plastic Fantastic, but I left it at HOME home which is more than 
just annoying. Ah well, I think I'll retire to my flat and eat a tin of 
strawberries. Have fun y'all.
				james.

James at twopounds.u-net.com
Go on, what are you frightened of?
(and remember - stick it in sideways)
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/
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From alexis at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 11 20:55:56 1999
From: alexis at xxx.uk (Alexis Petridis)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:55:56 +0000
Subject: Sinister: belle & sebastian on aceeeeeeed!
Message-ID: <E0zzoQa-0004Qu-00@post.mail.demon.net>



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>From: "paul dean" <akumulator at xxx.com>
>To: sinister at majordomo.net
>Subject: Sinister: belle & sebastian on aceeeeeeed!
>Date: Sun, Jan 10, 1999, 10:18 pm
>

> The radio station was WFNX & it was about midnight..the announcer 
>mentioned something about b&s and then proceeded to play a bangin' 
>chuune - about halfway through my girlfriend nudged me & said that it 
>was belle & sebby. I obviously scoffed but then slowly it creeped up on 
>me that it was 'the boy with the arab strap' with the music speeded up & 
>the lyrics at the same speed. 
>
>someone please help - what is going on here - is this a WFNX joke or 
>have 'tin tin out' managed to do the same to our heroes as they did to 
>the sundays!!?


Am I the only person around here who thinks that sounds like a right laugh?
A Tin Tin Out version of Belle And Sebastian! Wicked idea! Loads and loads
of people in big handbaggy nightclubs like Cream 'avin it large to a cheesy
house version of 'The Boy With The Arab Strap'. Who needs drugs if things
like that happen in the real world?

Sorry about the enormous length of that Felt post I did: virtually the first
thing I send to the list. I hope it didn't come across like someone wanking
off at great length. Apologies, anyway.

Yeah Hefner are great, especially live . The lyrics on the album are
fantastic, the most affecting words I've heard since If You're Feeling
Sinister. And I like the fact that they sound a bit like Television. It's
really exciting to go and see them at the moment - they're always playing
around London - because they're a band on the up, there's always more people
singing along at the next gig etc. Is there anything nicer to see than a
really good band on the rise? Other than nudity etc.

Does anybody know anything about this dancey versh of B&S? Let me know if
you do. This must be investigated further. Unless Paul Dean's taking the
piss and I'm being really dim about it. Hmm.

Take care, 
Alexis xx 

 
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From joe005 at xxx.net  Mon Jan 11 21:19:12 1999
From: joe005 at xxx.net (JOE DIEDRICH)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:19:12 -0500
Subject: Sinister: I'm bored!
Message-ID: <369A6AD0.8266D54A@ameritech.net>


Dear sinister pals:
Ahhh! Hello to you all!
Some very interesting posts this fine day.  I laughed quite a bit.  It
is snowing here in Micigan; we have at least a foot of snow and it won't
stop.  It is cold.
When I took my dog outside in the backyard she could not walk through
all of the snow because she is not tall enough.  It was very funny to
see her try though. She just sunk in the snow over her head.
Belle and Sebastian have never played a concert here in Detroit.  It is
a sad thing because I would love to see them perform.  And to be at the
show when I know how great it is to be there.  But they aren't as well
known here.  What a wonderful day that would be.  My friend Jason saw
them in Chicago a while ago.  Too bad I have a study job every day or I
would have gone too.  I wish I could meet them i person.
This may be a dumb question, and I truly don't mean to sound dim witted,
but could someone please tell me what a "bollock" is.  Oh boy you can
tell that I'm from the states can't you?!
Oh well, I am glad to see that everyone is happy.  Me, well I'm bored
with day to day life.  I go to work, make "some fish and chips", and
then I go home to watch television or read.  Not that I'm complaining. 
I think I need a hobby.  Any suggestions?
okay, have a lovely day my friends.
And congratulations to B&S on their nomination.  It is a good thing
right?
 
				Hugs and Kisses,
					Jonelle
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From Niceaction at xxx.com  Mon Jan 11 22:20:43 1999
From: Niceaction at xxx.com (Niceaction at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:20:43 EST
Subject: Sinister: Re: jeepster-news: just some new year news :)
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The suntanned Davis & Katrina wrote (welcome back) 

<< 	belle and sebastian
 
 the band have just been nominated for "best newcomer" for this years brit
awards. 
 the award will be voted for by the general public (ie you lot) in conjunction
with
 radio one, so if you want b&s to win, either stay tuned to these news letters
or
 bbc radio one (97-99fm). the awards are mid-february sometime, and we'll have
more
 info for you later on. >>

Is the list going to get into a big debate now, as to how lame the Brits are,
and that this is going to turn Struan and his gang from Pop to popular !  i
certainly hope not, or is that what this list is for ? hmmm  

I brought the book Young & Foolish today by the author known as Alistair
Fitchitt.  It is a snazzy IN YOUR FACE looking book with a strikingly blue
cover to it.  As much as i dont want to lick the Duke's arse, this is indeed a
fine book.  I'm sorry to say that i had not heard of most of the wee bands
mentioned in the book, but dont let that put you off reading it, ive never
seen the word Pop mention so many times, as well as words like Esurient, yoof
culture, and juxtaposition, what a cool word, aint got a clue what it means,
but im going to use it from now on, maybe when i'm describing how small my
willy is !  
Anyway, i cant put the book down, and i never read books, apart from Flat
Stanley, The Twits, and The Witches.

Take it easy people :o)

Jamie
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From pgsedai at xxx.com  Mon Jan 11 20:27:23 1999
From: pgsedai at xxx.com (Peter Gr%F6ndahl)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:27:23 PST
Subject: Sinister: b&s live
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Tought that i just should mention that swedish radio is broadcasting a 
Belle&Sebastian gig right about now....
Its recorded in Sweden this summer I think.
So far they have performed "The boy done wrong again","Dog on wheels" 
and "Mayfly"

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From SErringt at xxx.com  Mon Jan 11 21:35:23 1999
From: SErringt at xxx.com (SErringt at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:35:23 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Re: belle & sebastian on aceeeeeeed!
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So here's the scoop on WFNX playing our beloved Belle & Sebby:
I just called one of the djs (cruze if you need to know) because I heard
him mention B&S on the air right after playing the Smiths, and because I
didn't hear what he said about them, I called the station.  When I asked if
they were going to be added to the playlist, he said possibly (he's the
program director too), but the reason why they were played on Friday night
was because they were part of their "millennium preview weekend" where they
played all "up and coming" bands that they think we'll all be listening to
in the future.  So there you go.

- Sue

>From: "paul dean" <akumulator at xxx.com>

>ok i was drunk, it was late & the sound was terrible but if you were in
>boston beer works off fenway park on friday night i'm sure you would be
>able to corroborate.
>The radio station was WFNX & it was about midnight..the announcer
>mentioned something about b&s and then proceeded to play a bangin'
>chuune - about halfway through my girlfriend nudged me & said that it
>was belle & sebby. I obviously scoffed but then slowly it creeped up on
>me that it was 'the boy with the arab strap' with the music speeded up &
>the lyrics at the same speed.

>someone please help - what is going on here - is this a WFNX joke or
>have 'tin tin out' managed to do the same to our heroes as they did to
>the sundays!!?

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From ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com  Mon Jan 11 23:16:35 1999
From: ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com (Ben Parker)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:16:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Life? Lemonheads? Sid james talks to me like god.
Message-ID: <19990111231635.21672.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com>


Life?

Ended up at the good old bull & gate in kentish town on saturday night
- some things never change, well the faces may change but the haircuts
and smells, and drunks, do not. Best moment was someone shouting "be
more scottish, be more scottish!" at the, indeed, scottish fallisms of
the male nurse. And the first band did the delitefully cute thing of
dishing out their homemade(?) cd's and 7inches to everyone in the
audience, witch is always quite endering, even if the things will
never actually get played.

My first taste of b & s, if anyones interested (probably not, but
then, i've read less interesting things in my time), was dog on
wheels, which i brought on 7 inch out of interest, went back home and
thought was "alright, nothing special", the b - side, the state that i
am in, then continued to lodge itself so far into the brain that 
you reach a point of love or hate i suppose.

Talking about the lemonheads, i still think Its a shame about ray is
okay, quite nice. The rest of their stuff was pretty nasty, but that
whole album was okay. But i agree that he is a bit of a twat.
Naturally. Weird to think that when he had hair he was universally
adored by many, though when it went, he wasn't. Even appeared on the
nme as a girl, with bjork as a bloke if i remember correctly, such was
his cred, a forerunner for role of "male star mate of bjork" before
tricky and goldie got a look in. And strange to think he was once a
sort of mate of oasis, like a prototype robbie williams or something.
five years ago and the whole of the six-form were in love with him,
now he's just wholly regarded as a twat, a shining wit gone the way of
the whinning shit, i suppose. Such is the fickle nature of fame.

Fame, fame , fatal fame.

BeN

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From kleonard at xxx.edu  Mon Jan 11 23:22:09 1999
From: kleonard at xxx.edu (Kirk Leonard)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:22:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Japanese TWATTYBUS for sale
Message-ID: <v01540b01b2bfe0ddf4a1@[205.219.64.187]>


I have a copy of the japanese import of The Boy With The Arap Strap that I
bought for $26 because I was curious if it had a second CD with Tigermilk
or something, but unfortunatly it didn't have anything musically different.
It does have all the Japanese lyrics, a hand written reccomendation from
"Bonnie Pink" and a little bit different colored cover and CD... So if
there's any completest who want to send me $20 for this, Postage paid (in
the US) I let her go, because although I'm a completest, I am also a poor
college student, and shouldn't have bought it in the first place.. any
takers?.....



Kirk

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E-mail Kirk Leonard at: logy at bayarea.net
August 10th...
Well, here I go in my final week at home before college. To anyone who
cares, I'm hoping to be getting a new e-mail account there, so if youn want
me to e-mail you once I have, go ahead and drop me a line...
N.P. Same Place The Fly Got Smashed (mammoth cave)

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From kellym at xxx.com>  Tue Jan 12 00:33:40 1999
From: kellym at xxx.com> (kellym at xxx.com>)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:33:40 -0800
Subject: Sinister: i said i learned from my sunburn
Message-ID: <199901120035.QAA07498@macbeth.ienet.com>


i turned twenty today. yeehaw. or something like that. so what should i do?
write a story that i'll never be young again? set my hair on fire? get a
house, car and wife?  i don't know. no more teenage rebellion for me.  i'm
half of forty. somebody kill me. i think i'm going bald. i really really do.
all these cigarettes, alcohol, this body's through.  blah. blah. blah. 
maybe i should become coherent for my birthday, wouldn't that be nice. 
alright, i'm done complaining so i'm gonna lock myself in the bathroom with
a diet coke, a pack of cigarettes and some birthday cake. fuck yeah.

-kelly ryan mcguire
  kellym at raygun.com

  "such a peaceful time with the door shut thanks but no thanks i might see
it i dont know see it i dont know they dont want me   
    around at your place or out with you at a band understanding the moment
i think i understand"
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From gabi77 at xxx.br  Tue Jan 12 07:20:52 1999
From: gabi77 at xxx.br (Gabriela Sampaio)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:20:52 -0200
Subject: Sinister: Clarice Lispector
Message-ID: <01BE3DEB.57699A20@ch25m53.sol.com.br>




On Friday, January 8th, Cynthia wrote:


while everyone is on the subject of favorite writers, and Infinite Jest (a dreary and godless book but very funny. that book upset me), can anyone recommend a good Clarice Lispector book ... I'm suspecting I can't get through apple in the dark because my translation of it is terrible. If any of you are at all curious about her, she's a wonderful Brazilian author and a little hard/dense. She creates these very subtle, psychological landscapes in her novels. 

Hi...

I've just subscribed the list and I'm still trying to figure out what's going on and who's who here. Anyway I got pretty surprised to see that Clarice Lispector was the subject of an e-mail, I wasn't expecting that at all... ;)

Well... Cynthia. I am Brazilian and I appreciate "cronicas" very much. Guess they are one of the few genuine things in a newspaper. But I had no idea that there wasn't such thing outside Brazil... Unfortunately I haven't read much of Clarice's works after I left school but a few weeks ago we had a list with the 100 best novels of the century (James Joyce's Ulisses and Finnegan's Wake got 1st and 10th place respectively... God I still couldn't finish reading them...!) and also the 30 best Brazilian novels of the century list. It hapens that apart from being one of the two women in the list, Clarice Lispector had three novels included in it. Unfortunately I don't have the name of them in English but I hope it is of some help. They are: "A Paixao Segundo G.H.", "A Hora da Estrela"  and "Agua Viva". Enjoy your reading!

By the way... are there any Brazilians in the list?

Ciao!

Gabi


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From keith at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 12 09:50:43 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:50:43 -0000
Subject: Sinister: It's a boy Mrs.Walker it's a boy!
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Joe - never mind, it's a natural language mix up. A "Bollock" is a Testicle,
that's the singular of Testes. However, when the Sexpistols say "Never mind
the Bollocks", they don't necessarily mean "Never mind the testicles", it's
more a sort of "Never mind all the other garbage". And was, in 1977 proven
in court by Richard Branson to be not actually a swearword, as the industry
was desperately trying to ban the record at the time. Apparently it was
originally some 13th Century word that monks used.

	It's nice to see that it's perked up on the list. Lets have a great big
poll and see how many of us like the Boards of Canada. I do, they rule in no
uncertain terms. Best newcomer for Belle and Sebastian, that'll be
interesting, but I guess there'll be no chance of them winning without them
agreeing to turn up to receive it, or at least, some cheesy recorded message
of thanks.

	Avalanche in Edinburgh at the moment has an interesting collage in the
window where Chris Geddes's head it cut out from the album sleeve and place
between the legs of Sophie (Janet)Ellis-Bextor's legs. Maybe I'll take a
photo of it soon cause it's funny.

	I bought the reissue version of "Odds and Sods" by the WHO the other day.
It's great there are some total classics on it, and weighing in at a hefty
12 extra tracks, you can hardly complain.

Cheers,
  Keith.


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From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 12 11:14:52 1999
From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:14:52 GMT0BST
Subject: Sinister: This post may contain coarse language
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Bollocks - they're rude bits. I've always had an affection for those 
rude words that begin with B as they aren't exactly rude, more a 
little saucy. Bollocks! bottom! bugger! boobs! Oooh! Sorry if I've 
offended or overexcited anyone.
Anyway, the Brits are a load of toss aren't they? I think Stuart 
should do a Jarvis and wiggle his bottom at someone. Any nominations 
for whom? There's plenty to choose from. Or maybe he could wiggle his 
bollocks, as a visual aid to Joe. But I still think they should turn 
up. Mrs Murdoch could threaten to stop Stuart's pocket money if they 
didn't.

Now, back to my revision ...

Robin
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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 12 12:20:59 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:20:59 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Classy classical touch
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9901121215010.28591-100000@granby>




About Brit Awards :

Someone was wandering if our lovely bunch will be forced to sing a duet
with Posh Spice (it would be more than a duet,then)at the Awards event.
Could I make some suggestion? After Fergie's gorgeous debut as show woman
during the MTV one,the one and only Lady Die should come down from heaven
and offer us her first heavenly apparition playing the entertainer role
together with Robbie,who would be so pleased with such a touch of
true Hamletian glamour ,wouldn't he?

And Struan could convert himself into Catholicism just in front of the
cameras after the miracle !

Arantxa



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From Ihamilt at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 12:36:03 1999
From: Ihamilt at xxx.com (Ihamilt at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:36:03 EST
Subject: Sinister: The Brits etc
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Of course, its amusing that Belle and Sebastian are nominated as best " new "
act. And of course they have no chance of winning the award, as no one even
half decent seems to win anything at these things.
It would however be cool to see them appear on the show itself. Two of the
greatest pop tv moments have came from such unlikely appearances. One recalls
a quite obvsiouly coked up Brett Anderson, wearing his mums blouse, leading
Suede through a psychotic thrash version of Animal Nitrate, to the aghast
looks of the tuxedo'd audience.
The rather scary version of Satisfaction performed by Bjork and PJ Harvey was
also a wonderful moment. To see that song regain some of its threat and be
reclaimed from those ghastly old rockers fairly warmed the cockles of this
boys heart.
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From MctaggartR at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 11:12:25 1999
From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:12:25 -0000
Subject: Sinister: What's she gonna look like with a chimney on her?
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Oh you pretty things,

Well thanks a bunch, Mr. Stuart Gardiner.  My journey to work was
treacherous this morning, and it's all your fault for complaining about the
lack of snow.  And it's the wrong kind of snow as well, it's all slushy and
crap and miserable.  Luckily, my day has been brightened immeasurably by
what Oon wrote:

>my felicity remains in this nifty trousers

You know, a million monkeys with a million typewriters couldn't come with a
sentence as wonderful that in a million years.  Oon, you are my new God,
especially now Mrs Murdoch has spurned my amorous advances.

Alexis wrote:

>A Tin Tin Out version of Belle And Sebastian! 
>Am I the only person around here who thinks that sounds like a 
>right laugh?

No, you're not.  The campaign for a B&S remix album starts here.  I'm quite
serious.  The Pastels remix LP was smashing after all.  And I'm looking
forward to Doktor Divine and Beans' Booty Bouncing remix of Looper.  I'll do
a mix, I know how a sampler works.  I'll happily turn "You made me forget my
dreams" into a sonic dub meltdown, or embellish "Fox in the snow" with
samples from "Male Stripper" and snatches of dialogue from Russ Meyer films.
It'll be ace, trust me.

Keith wrote:

>It's nice to see that it's perked up on the list. Lets 
>have a great big poll and see how many of us like the Boards of >Canada.

I like the Boards of Canada, they do indeed rule.  But I prefer the Broads
of Canada, boom-boom.  Have I made that joke before?  Never mind, it's very,
very funny.

Can I go now?

Love tag
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From his8jm at xxx.UK  Tue Jan 12 13:12:58 1999
From: his8jm at xxx.UK (J. MURTAGH)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:12:58 GMT
Subject: Sinister: top of the morning to ya!
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dribbling away here, does anyone know where JD Salinger lives? And 
don't say America.
Oh and has anyone heard the AC Acoustics EP? Surprisingly good songs 
and catchy, go here them at www.acacoustics.com

What happened at the Poetry Cafe meet up? I didn't go.

john
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From lee.whitehead1 at xxx.net  Tue Jan 12 12:15:32 1999
From: lee.whitehead1 at xxx.net (Lee Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:15:32 -0000
Subject: Sinister: New comer(ish)
Message-ID: <000401be3e28$dbc53120$9e3ea8c2@bentley>


WOW, Best British Newcomers (*fanfare*)

Acclaim for Belle and Sebastian, who did they have to sleep with to get
nominated, not Jonathan King surely (is he still in charge?).

Congratulations band, and of course Jeepster.

Good luck ("you know we dont stand a chance"), Lee.



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From reid.dossinger at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 12:45:31 1999
From: reid.dossinger at xxx.com (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:45:31 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Nothing ever happens on Mars
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Tuesday, and I'm feeling responsive...

> What do i need
> to do (or buy) in order to convert my music, which is on an analogue 4-track
> to a sound file on a web page...."if it's too hard i wont understand it".
>
Not to bring this up again, but if someone answers Lee privately, would
you mind sending me a copy of the letter?  I have a few really terrible
ways, but I'd like to know some better ones.

> feeling much perked up by the display of support regarding the record
> store sod.
>
Good!  Having spent most of my professional life in record stores, it
always makes me cringe when I hear about clerks who can't bring
themselves to say "I'm not sure, but I think..."  Like the guy I talked
to this last fall who swore that the vocals on "A Spaceboy Dream" were
done by the guy from Arab Strap.  At least he later admitted he was
wrong.  But then again, I'm sure there were people who thought I was a
record store sod, especially the woman who kept insisting to me that
George Michael "Listen Without Prejudice Volume II" was already out in
Boston, but obviously hadn't been released yet in Alaska (where I was
working at the time).  I hope she knows by now that she was wrong.  The
moral of this story is that I'm always right.

> And where's Susannah?  And R!O!D!?
>
And Brad?  I know there were some people here who weren't too crazy
about him, but he never ceased to crack me up.  Did I miss his "I'm
leaving the list" post, or has he just gone all quiet (which I find
pretty hard to believe)?

> Tought that i just should mention that swedish radio is broadcasting a
> Belle&Sebastian gig right about now....
> Its recorded in Sweden this summer I think.
> So far they have performed "The boy done wrong again","Dog on wheels"
> and "Mayfly"
>
Woah woah woah woah WOAH!  Why hadn't this been mentioned yet?  Why
aren't there a billion requests for tapes yet?  This is a post of
massive importance.  Do you realize that this is yet one more Belle and
Sebastian recording that I'll never have?

It's too early to write well,
         Reid





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From jj at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 13:56:09 1999
From: jj at xxx.com (jj)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:56:09 -0500
Subject: Sinister: ice hotels etc...
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mr.tag was inquiring about the swedish ice hotel and me 
being the astute information-professional-in-training that 
i am remembered reading something about this lovely place 
in a somewhat-lesscheesy-than-the-usual-bridal-magazine. So 
I went digging through my bridal archives and came up with 
the source in question and it did indeed have a nice little 
article on the Ice Hotel in Jukkasjärvi, Sweden. Apparently 
the Ice Hotel is built every october from snow and ice - it 
takes about 1000 tons of ice and 2000 tons of snow annually 
and the design changes every year. The hotel has a chapel, 
rooms, a gallery, an ice sauna(?!), a golf room, a cinema, 
and a bar called Absolute Ice. The temp inside the hotel 
varies between -3 C to -8 C (this is a british bridal magazine 
and i don't know how to convert back to F - but i do know that's 
*cold*!)...you sleep on a block of snow covered in reindeer 
skins in a special sleeping bag for two! it seems cuddling
would be imperative for staying warm :)

now i shall say that i too have really been enjoying Boards 
of Canada and to throw in something *somewhat* related to our 
beloved b&s, i would like to shamelessly plug my radio show 
that will be taking place tomorrow (wednesday)morning, bright 
and early, from 6-9am EST (that's 11-2 GMT i believe) on 
wcbn-fm that you can all listen to via realaudio at 
www.wcbn.org/listen.html. i always play something by b&s, plus 
loads of other cool pop tunes (playlists for previous shows 
are online at my website if you need convincing. *grin*) 

if you think you might be tuning in and want to hear something 
in particular, email me today before 10pm and i'll do my darndest 
to get it on the airwaves/internetwaves for you.

now its time to go brave the snow and ice of ann arbor (not 
quite as romantic as that of the ice hotel i'm afraid) and 
dig out my car.

xojj
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From WarranderJ at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 12 14:20:33 1999
From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:20:33 -0000
Subject: Sinister: And The Winner Is...
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La-di-da, look at us, scoffing at whoever chooses the candidates
for the Brits cos they put B&S in the "Best New Band" category.
How clever we are. And how foolish they are. And why the
defeatist attitude at our heroes' chances? Of course they're
going to win.

Anyway, that Papercuts fanzine thingy is a jolly good read you
know. I've no idea what Mr Miller is going on about but I still have
this strange fascination making me all excited at the prospect of
volume 2. Is this a semi-autobiographical piece of work by any
chance? Is Stewpot a thinly disguised characterisation of a
person I think I can safely say everybody on this list wants to
snog? A very scary Australian tells a tale of being intimidated in
London. I find this very hard to believe having met her and shat
my pants. And McTaggart goes on about Gainsbourg and weird
European shit, so no surprises there. Actually Robert, you never
mentioned the anecdote about visiting Serge's grave and people
leaving empty fag packets on it. I like that story. And if I ever go
to Edinburgh and it's sunny I will almost certainly climb to the top
of a high hill and listen to Television. I think congratulations are
in order for Mr Trousers actually, a job well done. Even if the
dedication on the back does make it sound like Paul's dead.

Also, I got that "Songs For Marshmallow Lovers" compilation on
Marina and was very cynical, but it's shockingly good. I'm amazed.
I was wrong all along. Indiepop rules. It doesn't really, I'm just
trying to mess with Mick McMick's mind.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that Tag's bits in Papercuts are the
best. Well, the poor wee blighter is so unhappy now that
someone's gone home to Canada, I thought I'd cheer him up
by pampering his ego. Is there any harm in that?

And just one more thing, Manchester's disco of choice for a
top night of drinking and dancing (that's Smile to the uninitiated)
hung up its slipmats for the very last time at the weekend. The
very final record ever played was "Thank You For Being You" by
The Pastels. How sweet. Anyway, that's me staying in for the rest
of my life. No wonder I'm a bitter and twisted old sod.

Love...John
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From akumulator at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 14:21:51 1999
From: akumulator at xxx.com (paul dean)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:21:51 EST
Subject: Sinister: ummm the whole world is indeed turning brouchard
Message-ID: <19990112142152.106.qmail@hotmail.com>


first my dance encounter with b/s which alexis wondered if i was belming 
about. No i'm sure i heard it right. it was fast n right at'cha

secondly the brits nominee

& lastly a double cd of the supper club shows on ebay currently at 
$82...discuss

'1999 is going to be a rum year and no mistake' as the purple squiggle 
sang

bye bye 

paul.

p.s hefner are the future - go discover

on my radio - 'since yesterday' by strawberry switchblade...that'll be 
that cheeky scamp matt neimark on wmbr - he's just not as good without 
his talented english sidekick..........


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From bferneyhough at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 12 14:29:33 1999
From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (Ben Ferneyhough)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:29:33 GMT
Subject: Sinister: why we won't win :(
Message-ID: <199901121429.OAA13479@brookes.ac.uk>


Dear all, I heard on the radio this morning that the best newcomer is to be 
voted for by a phone poll on Radio 1, so what are our chances of beating 
Another Level, Billie or B*witched (are these bands actually nominated ?!) but 
you get the idea, B&S are against all these teeny bands, so I really can't see 
our heroes beating the mass phoning-in generated by the fans of these other 
bands. Sad but true. If only it were on merit.
 
Ben.
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From Mark at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 14:22:19 1999
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:22:19 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Plenty of vitamins for Struan
Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2240FB57@server1.HITEntertainment.com>


Tag, I apologise at the beginning of every post because I have put my dainty
size 8 and a halfs in the proverbial "it" in pretty much every post I've
sent since the middle ages. I shall do my utmost not to have anything to
feel ashamed of in this post, I promise.

Funny that Senor Murtagh should ask about JD Salinger - if he wants to know
where he lives, he should write to that nice Stuart Murdoch fellow - I'm
sure you can get him via his mum - who claimed to have seen the elusive one
in New York before the November shows. I think he's a little fibber, and I
suggest an extra portion of greens (I was delighted to see that in
supermarkets you can actually buy a product called "greens" - simple things
please thick bastards, etc.) and a slap on the ankle when he gets in from
school tonight if he's not telling the truth.

I'm upset today as it's raining heavily but also really cold, and you can
just tell that if it were 2 or 3 degrees colder there'd be lovely big
snowflakes in abundance, cascading down outside the window . But there
aren't. It's horrible.

Last night I could hear our family of foxes crying at each other at the end
of the garden. It could have been particularly vocal squirrels, who I have
discovered can bark much more loudly than I'd imagine, but the weird,
disturbing banshee sounds were a little too sinister to feel all warm and
natury about the suburban menagerie outside the window. perhaps they'll be
happier when it snows too.

That'll do.
Smut free since 1974,
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From fatslug at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 14:20:39 1999
From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:20:39 -0000
Subject: Sinister: We're so pretty, oh so pretty
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It's funny, but I would have expected Mrs Murdoch to say "caretaker" rather
than "janitor".  Perhaps Struan picked up a few Americanisms on tour, and
they've rubbed off on his mother.

Jonelle, don't let Keith pull the wool over your eyes.  A bollock is in fact
a small furry burrowing animal closely related to the gonad.  They are
predominant in heathland where you have to watch your step or you will end
up crushing them.  There are few things less pleasant than a crushed bollock,
so it is not unusual to come across a signpost in the English countryside
saying "Mind the Bollocks".

When the Sex Pistols tramped through the heathland they paid little attention
to the country code.  They would leave farm gates wide open, throw still
burning cigarette ends into dry grass, take birds eggs from nests, and they
would never mind the bollocks.

Belle and Sebastian best newcomers eh?  I think they're up against Cornershop,
so you obviously can't qualify for the award until after you've released three
albums.  If the Stone Roses were to reform and release a new album they'd
probably be in with a chance too.

Top Ten Brit Award moments:

1 Crowd booing Kenneth Clarke
2 Crowd booing Cliff Richard after he told them off for booing Kenneth Clarke
3 Samantha Fox and Mick Fleetwood
4 Jarvis Cocker's arse
5 Sorry, can't think of anything else

Kevan
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From trarvild at xxx.se  Tue Jan 12 15:12:27 1999
From: trarvild at xxx.se (Katarina Karlsson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:12:27 +0100
Subject: SV: Sinister: b&s live
Message-ID: <199901121514.QAA10526@mb04.swip.net>




> Tought that i just should mention that swedish radio is broadcasting a 
> Belle&Sebastian gig right about now....
> Its recorded in Sweden this summer I think.
> So far they have performed "The boy done wrong again","Dog on wheels" 
> and "Mayfly"

Did I miss something last night? I listen to Belle and sebastian 21-22.00
on P3 live, but they said a lot of times that it was recorded in Paris,
22nd October. I had a tape in my recorder but I haven't listened to it yet
so i don't know if it worked, it is a bit unreliable.

Lots of thanks to Anna who mentioned it on the list, otherwise I would have
missed it. I have to much work with my studys now and have no time for
radio or television programs.

If I have had time now I would have told you about my dirty
"litle-homo-smurf" dream with all of you on this list  I had some nights
ago but I have to do some exersises before my test on Saturday and next
week must I have a report on a project work about scanning tunneling
microscopy I don't know how to do that yet. Anyone who knows anything about
STM?

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From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 12 15:36:01 1999
From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:36:01 GMT0BST
Subject: Sinister: Here are the votes from the Swedish jury ...
Message-ID: <E1005t1-0004Lm-01@nottingham.ac.uk>


 Here are the nominees for the best newcomer award:

 Another Level 
 Belle & Sebastian 
 Billie 
 Cleopatra 
 Cornershop 
 Five 
 Gomez 
 Hinda Hicks 
 Propellerheads 
 Steps 

A nice level playing field then. I'm going to vote for a band called 
Belle and Sebastian, but i've heard the smart money is on Steps.
This reminds me of last Eurovision when I voted for that strange, 
sweaty German man, who played the little bells and climbed on the 
scaffolding. He was funny.

Robin
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From rory_mackie at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 15:42:51 1999
From: rory_mackie at xxx.com (Rory Mackie)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:42:51 PST
Subject: Sinister: Random musings from a random muse.
Message-ID: <19990112154252.29347.qmail@hotmail.com>


 Hello,

 Some intirely unconnected thoughts on my first week back on the list.
A sinister digest digest if you like.

 Some Finns are on it now! Hooray, I love all Finns unreservedly. In 
fact I was once made an honourary Finn for drinking lots of beer and 
then not falling over by my fat Finnish friend Harry who looks like Dave 
Stewart. According to him all you need to acquire Finnish citizenship 
are hollow legs and a cast iron liver. They dion't even have passport 
control at Helsinki airport, just a bottle of vodka and a unicycle.

 Here's my underwear ink polariod:

 I'm not actually wearing any today. I was in a bit of a rush to get to 
work this morning and my pants hadn't dried properly on top of the 
radiator in my bedroom. I am consequently feeling a little vunerable but 
also strangely liberated.

 Someone has a sig file mentioning somebody called Patrick, somebody 
called Linus and a pan. Is this from 'American Psycho' cos I'm having a 
hard time believing that the LInus involved is LInus from 'Peanuts'. Not 
unless Charles Schultz got really, really dark without me hearing about 
it. Please confirm/ deny.

 A good way to remeber the Sinister address is by memorising the phrase 
'Sinister physical education and anarchy in the Uk.' Oh yes.

 StayLuckyRoryxxx

 

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From macarthur at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 15:50:40 1999
From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:50:40 -0000
Subject: Sinister: hello there (nervous smile)
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Dear Sinister

this is my first post to the list, the one I will probably look back on in
under a month and think 'Oh Erica....how could you have said that' but I
felt the need for boldness because I have been reading the list for weeks
now, without quite knowing when to jump onto the bandwagon. I have already
introduced my name, I come from "pretty" Hertford in England and i'm
sixteen years old. Golly! that felt like standing up at AA! but i would
like to ask older members to forgive things I am *bound* to say.....maybe
you were the same when you were my age, or maybe you were worse, who can
tell. At the moment i am failing my gcse mocks while singing to my empty
house and making pictures.
I would like to (suck-up) say that the posts I have already read have been
witty and nearly all readable to everyone...no private jokes....(you can
tell I've been reading the rules) and have made feel dreadfully inadequate
as a b&s fan! I'm learning, glasses on, notepad at the ready..
On the issue of belle and sebastian being nomminated for the brits, I can
decide whether it is a good or bad thing. The newcomer award is voted by
the fans, so it isn't all fat-catted-ness, and previous winners include
Super Furry Animals, not a fabulous band but a proper band non the less.
Oh, and before I crawl back to the window seat, could someone tell me more
about the Papercuts fanzine...where can you get it? it sounds rather
good...
glad I found you sinisterines...
you're lovely.
Erica




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From macarthur at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 15:50:40 1999
From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:50:40 -0000
Subject: Sinister: hello there (nervous smile)
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Dear Sinister

this is my first post to the list, the one I will probably look back on in
under a month and think 'Oh Erica....how could you have said that' but I
felt the need for boldness because I have been reading the list for weeks
now, without quite knowing when to jump onto the bandwagon. I have already
introduced my name, I come from "pretty" Hertford in England and i'm
sixteen years old. Golly! that felt like standing up at AA! but i would
like to ask older members to forgive things I am *bound* to say.....maybe
you were the same when you were my age, or maybe you were worse, who can
tell. At the moment i am failing my gcse mocks while singing to my empty
house and making pictures.
I would like to (suck-up) say that the posts I have already read have been
witty and nearly all readable to everyone...no private jokes....(you can
tell I've been reading the rules) and have made feel dreadfully inadequate
as a b&s fan! I'm learning, glasses on, notepad at the ready..
On the issue of belle and sebastian being nomminated for the brits, I can
decide whether it is a good or bad thing. The newcomer award is voted by
the fans, so it isn't all fat-catted-ness, and previous winners include
Super Furry Animals, not a fabulous band but a proper band non the less.
Oh, and before I crawl back to the window seat, could someone tell me more
about the Papercuts fanzine...where can you get it? it sounds rather
good...
glad I found you sinisterines...
you're lovely.
Erica




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From rap101 at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 12 16:05:55 1999
From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:05:55 +0000 ()
Subject: Sinister: snow business
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.990112154126.-241903C-100000@cst249.york.ac.uk>


hi campers.

so oon's got glitter too. 's not fair!

i notice that tag quoted bryan adams in his subject line - truly the
list embraces all, regardless of merit. (although my housemate has a
secret crush on bryan adams. however, she is also a member of the
peter andre fan club, but don't hold this against her as we joined her
as a cruel joke one day and she's actually lovely.)

in response to alexis, i'd like to say that there's always room for
people wanking off at length on the list. after all, if we're honest
that's why we're all here. you certainly can't get away with this sort
of self-indulgent crap in real life these days. b&s? just a front. i
don't even like them. (btw, this is what we call 'sarcasm' kids -
as i've been warned before that it doesn't transfer very well on email
i thought i'd better point it out. somewhat defeats the object
though.)

ah, i wish i got asked things like 'what's a bollock?' more often.
that made my day. far more meaningful than 'what was the effect of
humanism on later renaissance writers?' or whatever anyway.

it's snowing in york! pretty trees and stuff. i brought my camera out
with me today in case any of my friends decided to have a spontaneous
frolic in the snow, but no such luck. it's kind of melting and getting
dark now...

no b&s content, except that i think it would be very funny if they won
a brit, and that the odds are about a thousand to one against.

night john boy.

luv archel, wearing non-matching underwear x 

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From LZYPAINTER at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 16:10:03 1999
From: LZYPAINTER at xxx.com (LZYPAINTER at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:10:03 EST
Subject: Sinister:new girl
Message-ID: <8b1ee9a.369b73db@aol.com>


hello everyone...

i was just wondering if anyone was in the toronto area?
nice list you have here!

>>>danielle
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From Michael.Barrett at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 16:42:32 1999
From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.com (Michael)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:42:32 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Can I be the filling in a Cat Deeley and Gail Porter sandwich please?
In-Reply-To: <199901121429.OAA13479@brookes.ac.uk>
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On my way to work this morning it snowed very lightly for about 10 mins.  I
was so happy I would've skipped, were it not for the fact that it was 7 in
the morning and I was still asleep.  Why does snow make me so happy?  Big
fat flakes are better than sex, I reckon.

The girl with the clever name said
>in case any of my friends decided to have a spontaneous
>frolic in the snow, but no such luck.
How can people waste snow like that?  I'd love to frolic in some snow, even
just for a little bit.  Isn't cool how frolic rhymes with bollock?  I'm sure
there is a poem in there somewhere.

Tigger's mate did say
>Dear all, I heard on the radio this morning that the
>best newcomer is to be voted for by a phone poll on
>Radio 1, so what are our chances of beating
>Another Level, Billie or B*witched
Well, I'm going to vote for Billie 'cause she's foxy.  The day Isobelle
starts jumping about with her trousers half-way down her bum in front of a
bunch lyrca clad girls, I'll vote for B&S. Cause I want to.

The local drug dealer was heard to say
>It's funny, but I would have expected Mrs Murdoch to
>say "caretaker" rather than "janitor".  Perhaps Struan
>picked up a few Americanisms on tour, and they've
>rubbed off on his mother.
When I was a kid in Baillieston we called 'em jannies.  People's posh mums
called them janitors (as opposed to posh people's mums, who called them
'staff').

>3 Samantha Fox and Mick Fleetwood
Now that what I call entertainment.  Can we have them back, please.

Michael, wearing the pants he carefully left on the radiator last night so
they would be all warm this morning.  There is nothing better than a warm
bollock.
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From Mew817 at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 16:53:13 1999
From: Mew817 at xxx.com (Mew817 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:53:13 EST
Subject: Sinister: British TV...
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Hi everyone

Robin wrote:
> This reminds me of last Eurovision when I voted for that strange, 
>  sweaty German man, who played the little bells and climbed on the 
>  scaffolding. He was funny.

When I was living in London for 6 months last year, I had the pleasure of
experiencing the Eurovision Song Contest.  That sweaty German man was indeed
hilarious!  He was great.  Eurovision was a really big deal too, all of my
coworkers were so into it.

I have to say that one of the things I miss most about living there (aside
from Cadbury chocolates and London itself) is the TV.  Sure we only had 4
channels, 5 on a good day, but there were so many great programs.  I lived
with Americans, Canadians, and Australians and we just loved some of the
shows.  Favorites included Eurotrash, Blind Date, Top of the Pops, TFI Friday,
The Cruise, Harry Enfield, and Stars in their Eyes (that show is brilliant!).
If only America made a show like Stars in their Eyes!!  When I moved back here
I was quite upset with TV.  There were too many channels and nothing good on!
Of course, I've now adapted back to US TV and do enjoy our programs, but there
are just some British ones you can't beat. 

Someone said something a while back about Stuart David doing something on
Stars in their Eyes, was that true?  I hope it is, that would be so funny!

take care
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From kittridge at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 00:28:26 1999
From: kittridge at xxx.com (Matthew Broszkowski)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:28:26 -1200
Subject: Sinister: live in toronto/first post
Message-ID: <369BE8AA.D2C5C1F6@home.com>


>hello everyone...

>i was just wondering if anyone was in the toronto area?
>nice list you have here!

>>>>danielle

Hi,
	I live in to, are you as mad as I am that the show was cancelled?  

I've been on this list for about two weeks and since everyone's doing it
I guess I should write my first posting.  Uh... I don't realy have much
to say, my life is incredibly boring and tedious and I'm not  clever
enough to make something up.  Just thought of something, um.. belle and
sebastian are really good.  There, I said it.  

I don't realy listen to this type of music but when I heard them it was
like an epiphany.  Come to think of it b&s and billy childish are the
only british music I listen to.  I guess what I like about them is that
they are so honest and intimate, kind of like lo-fi (which if any of you
have not heard you should really check out, I highly recommend early
sebadoh stuff, or daniel johnston)Well.. That's it, bye. 

					thank you for your time
					Matthew
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From Martin_Conneely at xxx.ie  Tue Jan 12 17:36:14 1999
From: Martin_Conneely at xxx.ie (Martin_Conneely at xxx.ie)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:36:14 +0000
Subject: Sinister: We're so pretty, oh so pretty
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Kevan Cooke, before spilling the beans on the Sex Pistols, wrote: >>I would
have expected Mrs Murdoch to say "caretaker" rather
than "janitor".  Perhaps Struan picked up a few Americanisms on tour, and
they've rubbed off on his mother<<  (And Archel was worried that sarcasm
mightn't transfer to the list!)

Maybe my aged memory is totally bollocksed but I thought that DC Thomson of
Glasgow used to feature the persecution of school janitors as a staple in
their comics (Bash St Kids, and so on). If I'm right, Mrs Murdoch would
have picked up the term when reading aloud to little Struan - there must
have been some nights when he said "We'll give Kafka a break for a while."

Which reminds me, James Kelman's book "How Late it was, how late" is a very
funny and bleak version of what Kafka would have written if he had been a
Glaswegian.

Martin C


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From jeanette at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 12:46:17 1999
From: jeanette at xxx.com (Jeanette)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:46:17 +0000
Subject: Sinister: He dropped his last time down a wishing well...
Message-ID: <369B43FF.719F@ktc.com>


Oooh! Someone out there said they're a Daniel Johnston fan!? I didn't
know the rest of the world had heard of Daniel... tho' I'm sure
everyone's seen his art on Kurt Cobain's chest.
I've had the pleasure of seeing Mr. Johnston perform on several
occasions recently, most notably at Austin's SXSW last year. (Shameless
name-dropping: also in the audience were Thurston Moore and Lee
Renaldo... very exciting for a country girl!) 
For someone who seems so, well, ummm, incapacitated, he writes the most
incredible lyrics! Casper the Friendly Ghost makes me cry every time!

Note to any fans in the Austin area: There's a comic store there that
sells his original drawings at very reasonable prices. I can't remember
the name of it, but if you're interested, get in touch with me and I'll
find out for you.

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From tuckfield45 at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 19:54:38 1999
From: tuckfield45 at xxx.com (Lauren Caulfield)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:54:38 PST
Subject: Sinister: yellow-bellied and proud
Message-ID: <19990112195438.20313.qmail@hotmail.com>


well, i didn't do it. i printed out all the messages relevant to the 
record store fiasco, i packed them up in an angry looking red envelope, 
added a strongly worded letter from myself, a second class stamp (hoping 
they'd note the meaning behind the abscence of a first class stamp, teh 
heh, that'll learn 'em)... and sat around doing sweet bugger all with 
the package. happy are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. right. 
i'd prefer that sentiment if it mentioned the gutless. but it's still 
good to know that the condescension of record store employees is not 
reserved for me alone (according to the posts i've read). nothing more 
to add, so i bid a fond (and temporary) farewell, lauren.
              

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From tuckfield45 at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 20:06:55 1999
From: tuckfield45 at xxx.com (Lauren Caulfield)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:06:55 PST
Subject: Sinister: not to seem pinickity
Message-ID: <199901122006.MAA04712@law-f101.hotmail.com>


misspelt absence in my other post. just thought i'd correct it. not that 
i'm obsessive. really.

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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 12 20:09:34 1999
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:09:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: You say Karl and I say Harpo
In-Reply-To: <E1005t1-0004Lm-01@nottingham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.990112194419.4091B-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>


The word 'bollocks' is of course derived from the name of the actress
Sandra Bullock, as it aptly describes most of her work. It has been
clinically proven that the only reason people went to see films such as
Speed was in the hope that they'd get to see her in her undies
(colour-coordinated of course). Hence the original title for the Sex
Pistols album, "Never Mind The Bollocks, Get Your Kit Off" (the title was
shortened at the insistence of record company boss Richard Branson, who
claimed he couldn't cope with sentences that long). Quite why Sandra's
family are all named after a small furry British mammal is unclear.

>  Here are the nominees for the best newcomer award:
> 
>  Another Level 
>  Belle & Sebastian 
>  Billie 
>  Cleopatra 
>  Cornershop 
>  Five 
>  Gomez 
>  Hinda Hicks 
>  Propellerheads 
>  Steps 

Nice to see B&S aren't the only bizarre nominee then. What have Cornershop
done this last year? Released a remix of a single which flopped when it
first came out in 1997, and sold a few more copies of their latest (of
several) album which also came out in 1997? And while I'm at it, who the
hell is Hinda Hicks?

So OK, we all know that B&S won't win, and that noone really cares who
wins anyway. But what we all want to know is are they going to show up at
the ceremony? And is Stuart David going to do a Jarvis and run onto the
stage during Robbie Williams' song, waggling his backside and shouting
"This is pish"?

McTaggart, if you don't want your snow, send some of it down here, you
ungrateful swine. I haven't had a decent snowball fight all year. If
anyone wants to invite me to frolic in the snow with them, I'm open to
offers.

Got to go, it's a pound a pint in the our local tonight...

Big Stu



Limerick of the Day:
"There was an old lady from Cork,
 Whose limericks never would rhyme.
 Then one day,
 All of a sudden,
 She found that she couldn't even get the lines the right length either."

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From LZYPAINTER at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 20:26:02 1999
From: LZYPAINTER at xxx.com (LZYPAINTER at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:26:02 EST
Subject: Sinister: toronto...MISSING:belle&sebastian
Message-ID: <551783ad.369bafda@aol.com>


matthew...

hello there and thank you for your response...after i wrote it and sent it i
thought...
NO one is going to write to me, because i sound so silly.
everyone writes these long beautifully written things, and my first post, to
me sounded like...hello, toronto anyone?
anyway, before i tear myself up anymore...
let me intorduce myself, a proper introduction.
my name is danielle, i am 22 years of age,and i am from pennsylvania, but
currently living in toronto.
although, as i write this, i am home...in pennsylvania, for a visit.
to say anything about me...lets see, i was in art school in philly for 3
years, withdrew my final year, and moved to canada.  i was a graphic design
student.
i love artists like, well, warhol, rosenquist, rothko, pollock, beardsley, i
could go on and on, but i wont even get further into it.  i love the blue note
jazz covers and nice old design work like that.
yes, to add to your distress, matthew, i was more than disappointed when belle
and sebastian didnt show, for the show, but all was well and i had a good
night none-the-less, so i wont complain.  
funny, because i nearly came home to PA to see them, and then i was going to
go back to toronto the next day to see them twice, fortunately i didnt, since
they didnt play at the philly show either.
i also listen to a lot of different music, um, sebadoh, yes..do you listen, to
say, rollarskate skinny?  just wondering...
where do you go in toronto?  i have been to blowup quite a few times and well,
around other places as well.

again, thank you for your response.
and hello to all.
laaaaaaaaaa,
danielle

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From christian.aamodt at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 20:36:54 1999
From: christian.aamodt at xxx.com (Christian Aamodt)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:36:54 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Anybody have the Black Sessions tape?
Message-ID: <369BB266.82B6A8F5@innocent.com>


Hello!

I was just wondering if anyone would like to
trade the Black Sessions tape with me... I
haven't got too much B&S-stuff, but I do have
quite a lot of excellent Nick Cave, Tindersticks
and a few others as well...

BTW It has got to be a complete version with
the song 'Paper Boat' on it. The Swedish broadcast
yesterday was without that song, so that's basically
all I want.

If anyone has got it on DAT/CDR, that would be the
best thing...

-Christian
christian.aamodt at innocent.com
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From MMeyerson at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 20:43:15 1999
From: MMeyerson at xxx.com (Mark Meyerson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:43:15 -0500
Subject: Sinister: LE SESSIONS DU NOIR
Message-ID: <54BC0FDB2C7CD2119B6500A0C9E1E16302B433@HAL>


I hate to beg
but since being over here on the west side of that big ol' pond
I don't have a copy of the infamous "black sessions"

sorry to talk trade stuff in the midst of such juicy banter as  Jarvis
Cocker's arse

but pretty please with sugar on top could some kind soul respond to this
earnest plea off list (mmeyerson at psmail.com)
I have some stuff to trade (tigermilk, live in NYC)
but looking for the black sessions, Stuart Demos, and any well recorded live
shows

people with nothing to trade
I will take requests and will trade blanks or what ever ya got
but ya might have to be very patient if you don't have and good stuff to
trade

woke up
got out of bed
put a noose around my head
MMMMMMMark


np dimitri from Paris

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From alix.campbell at xxx.net  Tue Jan 12 20:54:59 1999
From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:54:59 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Severin was a twat
Message-ID: <010a01be3e6d$d1e118a0$2a39a8c2@n2f9x2>


hello my pretties

i've been along to the library and liberated its supply of Felt and Pastels
cds. i felt the need to do so, having not heard any before. if you're from
oxford and had the same idea, tough, i've got them all. and because my mummy
works in the library, i won't return them for ages, because i don't pay
fines...maybe i'll be nice and take them back on time, and prepare myself
for the real world, where library fines can't be avoided.

well, after that i went promptly to sainsbury's and bought some Fondant
Fancies. hands up anyone who loves these wee cakes? i must say, mr kipling's
French Fancies are better then sainsbury's own brand though. ooh, i feel a
poem coming on...

oh pie maker, make me some pies
please, we can hide them near the haystacks
oh pie maker make me some pies
oh dear departed
i am sorry it had to end mr. pie man
we shall never eat your pies again
unless you gave the recipe to mr. kipling

hmm. pies. i think that may have been inadvised.

i just saw b*witched on the telly, and they were actually keeping still,
instead of carrying on like speeding gerbils. such a relief to know they're
sometimes in focus.

oh, and the other night, a fox got one of our chickens. all my nightmares
become reality, and all that. i think, though, it actually happening has
cured me, and i may begin to like foxes. it was Edna the hen which was
killed. she was Hilda's sister, but Hilda doesn't seem too worried.
chickens, eh?


thankU india (eww)
ALIX

oh, katarina k, can i have the story please... :)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"No, Patrick," Luis says. "They were . . . broiled"
It's silent in the boardroom as I contemplate this, thinking it through
before asking, finally,
"What's 'broiled,' Luis?"
"I'm not sure," he says. "I think it involves . . . a pan"





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From deliriumeleven at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 21:51:58 1999
From: deliriumeleven at xxx.com (odelia lee)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:51:58 -0500
Subject: Sinister: um..hello there
Message-ID: <19990112.165159.-30929.1.deliriumeleven@juno.com>




ello...  i'm new to this list (having subscribed, for the most part, to
alleviate my boredom, but i'm sure i'll grow to love you all despite
these selfish intentions).. wishing to send you my greetings............ 
 err............   that is all.

..odelia

(pssssst....  icq no.  =  21694860.)  

.........................................................................
....
http://www.geocities.com/paris/maison/1854/index.html

d-i-c-h-r-o-i-c garden....dichroic..?  yes....

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From debbie.spiers at xxx.ca  Tue Jan 12 20:47:26 1999
From: debbie.spiers at xxx.ca (debbie.spiers at xxx.ca)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:47:26 -0500 ()
Subject: Sinister: where jd salinger lives
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Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.990112154331.104A-100000@w4.ic-public.utoronto.ca>


 
right,

i know the lot of you have read catcher in the rye and hopefully hold it
close t yur heart as i do.  now for the facts on j.d. himself you need to
read a little further.

anyone read Raise High the Roofbeams Carpenters and Seymour an
Introduction?  they're also by j.d., and the narator is buddy, one of the
brothers if you know the books at all.

well buddy is suspiciously familiar t j.d. himself.  he lives in the
forest and is an isolit.  

anyway, that didn't really answer the question as to where he lives.

america.

i know you told me not to.  :P

cheers

debbie

read it, its good....
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From winboog at xxx.net  Tue Jan 12 22:36:07 1999
From: winboog at xxx.net (Robert Morris)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:36:07 -0500
Subject: Sinister: " half his time in a Buddhist monastery and half his time in a mental institution."
Message-ID: <199901122242.RAA12220@home.gis.net>




> well buddy is suspiciously familiar t j.d. himself.  he lives in the
> forest and is an isolit.  
> 

  Alley Oop, yes he is somewhat similar.

> anyway, that didn't really answer the question as to where he lives.

  Cornish, New Hampshire to be exact. Every once in awhile some media
outlet will stalk Mr Salinger in his home town ( Esquire magazine one of
the most recent I can think of, and the Boston Globe wrote a story about a
year ago about some stupid prep school teacher who took his entire class to
Cornish to stalk poor old JD. So if you have any plans like this, let me
know and I can provide some  instruction. You can even base your operation
out of my house, as I live only an hour from there.

> 
> america.
> 

   Yes, I am here. 

                   Robert Morris
                   winboog at gis.net

now playing-Willie Nelson, Teatro

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From tinystar at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 22:52:28 1999
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:52:28 -0500
Subject: Sinister: cioccolato ripieno con crema alla menta
Message-ID: <007301be3e7e$558a9720$e61e05d1@tinystar>


bonjour listies,

firstly, a plea for a job: anything in toronto involving design or graphics
or simply not in retail. really, i've had almost enough of saying "i'm
sorry, but just because it's the wrong colour and size and it's had juice
spilled on it doesn't mean that it's defective and that we have to take it
back".

kevan "it's all good" cooke wrote:
>>Perhaps Struan picked up a few Americanisms on tour, and
they've rubbed off on his mother<<

so long as stuart hasn't taken to rubbing off on his mother, we'll all be
okay. there's smut and then there's smut.

underwear today: i've discovered the bliss of the undershirt (as opposed to
the bra - a nice bra is nice, but i've been so inspired by tit films and
boogie nights i had to give it a try). it's also true that nice undershirts
come with nice underwear, mine today has a blue platform shoe embroidered on
the front, and is white with pink trim. of course, my underwear coordinates.
i never did this until a few weeks ago, i think it comes from a fear of
getting stuck in this snow and being taken to the hospital and having
handsome interns discover that my underwear is not matching. but i am still
only wearing plain socks. black or white or grey for everyday, those ones
with individual pockets for the toes on special occasions. which yes, have
been laughed at, but i get the last laugh when i can wear my thong sandals
well into fall.

luv,
jessicaxo

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside
the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even
orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m  (it's lovely being a girl)

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From LZYPAINTER at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 23:05:40 1999
From: LZYPAINTER at xxx.com (LZYPAINTER at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:05:40 EST
Subject: Sinister: cioccolato ripieno con crema alla menta
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hello jessica...
with your idea, i am here!
if you remember me from e mail,
its danielle, looking for belle and sebastian kids in toronto...
and i too send out the plea for a graphic design job in toronto!
ha ha...would anyone there hire an american?!

hey, you and i can start our own company, yess yess!
maybe someday...


 and as far as the underwear goes...
i am definitely the undershirt type!  
i understand!  and the matching panties to match, but of course!

isnt it wonderful being a girl?
la la la

by now.
danielle
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From bkim0 at xxx.edu  Tue Jan 12 22:31:59 1999
From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:31:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake, Felt...Abba, Queen??
Message-ID: <199901122232.RAA79804@dept.english.upenn.edu>


As I had mentioned waaay before, there is a section of "You Made Me Forget
My Dreams" (the piano break) that sounds exactly like the beginning of
Abba's "S.O.S."  

Well, now my fellow Sinistars, I have found yet another strange soundalike
to "The Boy With The Arab Strap"--don't know the title but the artist is
Queen and it goes

"Ooh you make me live...you're the best friend that I ever had...ooh,
you're my best friend!"

Both seem to have the same Rhodes shuffle.  Scary.  Oh well, better B&S
kept that than Freddie's soaring vocals (no offense to Queen fans, I'm
just saying do we need another Queen wannabe band to tarnish their
reputation?  Yes, yes, that's what I meant...).

Requisite Sinister diary entry: I was so happy about finally getting to
drink champagne at New Year's that I went out and bought two bottles of
Korbel Extra Dry on Sunday.  I've made it through one and a half bottles
so far (not by myself, and with some Looza Peach Nectar it's damn good). 
Korbel is marketing itself as the "Official Champagne of the Millenium"
and "Times Square 2000" is also on its label.  Crass, crass, crass.
Anyway, my point is, it's one of my resolutions to drink more champagne.
I think everyone can benefit from a similar resolution (you could even go
that healthy wine route!).

She's a killer
Xavier
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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Tue Jan 12 23:46:23 1999
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:46:23 -0500
Subject: Sinister: 1999: Sinister Year of Quality
Message-ID: <199901121847_MC2-6666-85A9@compuserve.com>


Hi Honeyspawn,

I haven't been able to bring myself to delete any of the outpourings (or
should that be outpooings?) of Honey's Digestive system in the last few
days yet: with Volume 3 he seems to have increased my dose to Sinister
Digest Classic rather than that Lite stuff he had been feeding me in the
last few months. The return of Sinister elder statesmen, with tales of
smutty hogmanay japes, dirty phone calls, Incredible String Band references
and all. I've even laughed out loud at one or two posts - keep this up
please chaps. 


It was really great to hear the Black session on R1 the other evening, but
a bit of a swiz to only get four tracks. I think we should ALL write to
that nice Mr Lamacq and ask him politely to air the rest of the gig. His
address is steve.lamacq at bbc.co.uk (tht's right, no t's or w's), or there's
a simple mail form to fill in at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/mailroom/mailroom.html . Go on, he won't be
able to resist 800+ of us, and we can limber up our people power for
getting our heroes the Brit award. 


I feel left out, having never heard any Felt, Denim or The Pastels - anyone
want to make me a sampler tape? I'll send you a nice late 60's acid rock
tape in return :)


Anne Ward signs off Happy Trails: that album (by Quicksilver Messenger
Service) used to be my favourite, the one you have to listen to every
Sunday night to make sure the next week's going to be alright.


Robert Morris: when complaining of spam, please don't quote all the
aforesaid in your reply, try some judicious editing, or you too will become
a Spam Robert, or even worse, a spam fritter. Thanks. 


Chris Leonard ate ail and got smelly. The remedy for this is supposed to be
to eat lots of fresh parsley - then you can forget the fact that you are
stinking the room out, and just be paranoid about opening your mouth to
talk to anyone because your teeth are garnished with lots of half-chewed
green slime. Also more fun than the bleach, although I once knew a girl who
brushed her teeth with Domestos to keep them white. 


Mrs Murdoch: please keep us updated on wee Stuart's progress with his
attempts to curb his nasty bedtime habits. Any top household tips on how to
remove crispiness from sheets appreciated too.


Tag likes the Tamperer, and so do I and my friend the cat, having been
introduced to them/her/it by my twelve year old who is currently
alternating between singing about supermodels on his d and entertaining us
with a spot-on impression of Cartman's rasping rendition of In The Ghetto.


Live At Leeds

(that one doesn't really work, does it?)
Chelmsford, UK 

In my CD-ROM: Solid Air  -  as the tray popped out the other day.
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 13 00:22:43 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:22:43 +0000
Subject: Sinister: lemsips, lemsips, eat them up, yum!
In-Reply-To: <19990107090736.6379.qmail@hotmail.com>
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Hello!

So! Older list statesmen are back, and they make the list good, do they
now. Well nice to know that everyone else who kept on posting if
intermittedylylylyly (?) was shit!!! I'll have you know I am always
interesting. Thas why I'm ranting about Jane Austen. Yeah. Rock!

Chris Leonard Cohen wrote:

>God bless you Sarah. 

How did you know I sneezed as soon as I read that? I have floo by the
way. And a reet bummer it is as well.

Over to Megan!

>ok, sarah, i don't think jane austen is trying to criticize women for
>feeling, so much as showing how women can end up suffering for allowing
>themselves to feel, it's more of a society sucks type thing.  jane austen
>writes about it in her novels, but then she gives everyone a happy ending,
>because even if they're rare in real life, when you're dealing with fiction
>one can do whatever one likes.

I don't call the end of Sense and Sensibilty a happy ending! Marianne
has to give up all her passions, I remember somewhere in the novel,
can't remember the exact quote now, but it says that she felt less
"full" or something along the lines of that. She has to marry a man who
she doesn't love, and only just likes and I'll argue it's out of a
strong sense of moral obligation to the "sense" people in the novel, who
looked after her - and what of her feelings? They just dis-app-ear.
Which is good. Jane Austen knows so cos I doubt she ever had a decent
feeling in her life. Oo-er! She criticises both male and female for
feeling, ok I can admit in part a lot of it is satirising yer excessive
Cult of Sensibility, but Austen I feel is just a bitter old lemon faced
prune who writes dull and sarky prose to back up her own cold hearted-
ness. So there :) I hate that fecking book. Dunno about her other
novels. But I bet they are shite as well.

Lighter subjects! Both Mark Cassarotto and Clothilde got the song I was
singing! (typing?) Gary got it too! Wow, thats amazing! I award you a
free...Sarah badge of honour, which I may make, one day :) Lets see if
you can get this song - I am singing the chorus-y bit :)

"lar lar lar, lar, la la laaaaar, lar lar lar lar, laaar la la larrrrr!"

Anna Friel is ace! Despite it being "dance bollocks".

Lesely Jo what is a s-u-v? is it rude??? Can't be as good as Mills and
Boon. I like Mills and Boon. Now thats what I call literature. I could
write Mills and Boon you know. Set in the steamy sultry city of Warton,
where passions rise along with the temperature!

Should I mention that its below zero now?

I am going to buy shoes tomorrow. Possibly. If I am well enough to go
into Manchester, to a posh shoe shop. I will go to the japanese shop as
well, cos it sells funky-doodle Hello Kitty stuff. So, shoes, Hello
Kitty, music, BACON DOUBLE CHEESEBURGER (even though thought of food
makes me feel queasy) and, um....but what shoes can i get? Can we have a
shoes thread? Some "older statesman" (can't have women oh no get back in
the kitchen and read cosmo so you can feel liberated and maybe one day
have an orgasm and dress in all grey and talk about knickers and feel
"raunchy".) endorse the shoe thread please. All I wear now is trainers.
Literally. Even to work. They've not told me off yet, so, the trainers
stay on! A Chatter mentioned desert boots. Hmmmm......*puzzley face* I
am unsure.....help!
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Fluffy Candarel
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From mazzy_ana at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 01:28:40 1999
From: mazzy_ana at xxx.com (ana simic)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:28:40 GMT
Subject: Sinister: another one about the Brits
Message-ID: <19990113012841.1494.qmail@hotmail.com>



yes, I reeeally like this subject! It's rather funny to see that
nobody (sorry if i missed out something) on the list seems to be
LOATHED by the fact that our dear B&S's were nominated.
yes, I know, they aren't that much of an insider tip any more,
but I _definitely_ would not like the fact of having some Billie-fans 
(or who ever's of that kind) even _knowing_ about Belle&Sebastian, not 
to mention the possibility of _listening_ to them!!!
This is a rather childish attitude, I guess, but it simply comes from 
the fact that I _love_ this band.....It's simply a spontaneaus reaction.

take care you all
Ana

P.S: I will actually have to miss the Brit Awards...we simply do not get 
it, here where i live...


   

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From ar981611 at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 13 01:39:50 1999
From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:39:50 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Sarah's daily song puzzle and some other stuff
Message-ID: <369BF966.CD65317E@student.paisley.ac.uk>


Fluffy wrote:
> "lar lar lar, lar, la la laaaaar, lar lar lar lar, laaar la la larrrrr!"

This is the theme tune to Last of the Summer Wine.  If that wasn't what
you were thinking, Sarah, try it, it works.  

My friend Simon thinks I am mad because I worked this out.  He may be
right.

Fantastic to see B&S nominated for best newcomer in the Brits along with
that other new band Cornershop. They really do have their finger on the
pulse down at the BPI (if that's who still does the Brits).  The Sun
today had a bit about the nominees, and a wee section about the fact
that they nominated people you have never heard of.  uh-oh I thought,
but they were actually getting steamed into Lynden David Hall.  And
quite right too.  They also suggested that Neil Finn was not a worthy
nominee for best international male (strangely that means that they
think Pras and Will Smith are).  

Stuart, trust me, you do not need to know who Hinda Hicks is.

I trust you all had bearable new years, and it's lovely to have you all
back.  You all seem much cheerier than you were in 1998, and a lot more
talkative.  It's nice, please continue.  I have exams looming and I need
all the nice things around me that I can muster from anywhere.  And does
anyone know why it doesn't seem to snow in Paisley?  Life would be much
lovelier if everything were covered in snow, I think.

Sorry to be so sad re. Last of the Summer Wine.  I need some sleep I
think.

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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 01:51:14 1999
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:51:14 EST
Subject: Sinister: 1999: Sinister Year of Quality
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In a message dated 99-01-12 18:52:02 EST, you write:

> 
>  Mrs Murdoch: please keep us updated on wee Stuart's progress with his
>  attempts to curb his nasty bedtime habits. Any top household tips on how to
>  remove crispiness from sheets appreciated too.


For those afflicted with this, ummm, laundry problem... I stumbled across this
url in the February issue of Men's Journal today... I haven't visited the site
but it sounded like it might be of some assistance.  I share it with you as a
public service:

www.spankie.com

I also think everyone should check in each day and post what color and type of
underwear they have (or don't have) on.  Boys and girls alike.  And they might
well be, one never knows.  I am particularly curious about what Ryan had on
over his Birthday suit today.  I'd tell you mine, but my son gets the digest
and he'd probably be embarrassed.  It WAS sent to me by a client, so I'm
hardly responsible...

--michele  



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From e.brown at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 01:13:32 1999
From: e.brown at xxx.com (Emanuel Brown)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:13:32 -0000
Subject: Sinister: cioccolato ripieno con crema alla menta
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jessica wrote:
>
>bonjour listies,
>
>firstly, a plea for a job: anything in toronto involving design or graphics

too bad you don't live here in new york, 'cause i've been looking for a designer/graphics person for a while now. there's lots of 'em, but none have been very cool or funky. so i suppose i'll have to settle for one of the dry types that been showing up lately. ho hum^�

more power to you and your adventures in underwear coordination, i say. after all, without these little silly things to keep us happy we'd be forced into dull and languid motivations, like spending all of the winter whitewashed by television or conversing with space-age strangers on vague mailing lists that may or may not be devoted to bands from britian. 

au revoir
emanuel
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From joe005 at xxx.net  Wed Jan 13 04:25:33 1999
From: joe005 at xxx.net (JOE DIEDRICH)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:25:33 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Just a plain old message
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Hello there my sinister friends,

It was so funny to find out what a "bollock" is.
So far I have gotten these responses:
A testicle
A rude word
An animal that you shouldn't squish
It is kindof confusing, therefore I will "never mind" the bollocks and
go on to other business.  He he!(That was a joke)
Anyway, Ana wrote that B&S are no longer an "insider tip".  I hate it
when the world gives away my best kept secrets.  Though here in the
states B&S aren't as popular.  Therefore, I am glad.  But soon enough I
am worried to hear then on my local radio station.  Then all of America
will know about B&S, and I will have lost something.

David Moore wrote about a sample tape with the Pastels, Felt, Demin... I
would also be interested in a tape like this.

Hey, Ailisa.  Here in Michigan we have about 2 feet of snow on the
ground! I am thinking I should make a snowman.

My underwear today is stripped with orange, pink, blue and green.
I'm a little embarrassed.

On the subject of books...I like the book Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte

Hello to all new friends.  I have only been here a short while myself,
but I feel so welcome.  It is a wonderful feeling!
I have even stated using the word "poo" and I think it is adorable!
Bye for now,
Jonelle
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From twinkle at xxx.net  Wed Jan 13 05:25:01 1999
From: twinkle at xxx.net (petula)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 05:25:01 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Post-ruling, the official account
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Salut tout le monde,

Here I am, back in Toronto after a nice long trip to see my Pumpkinny across
the big drink. Coming home to 5 foot-high snowdrifts doesn't do much for my
morale, let me tell you. What better way then to cheer myself up then to
post an account of what we got up to?

The first big event was a jaunt down to London to see Saint Etienne and
attend the Sinister christmas social at the Po' Cafe. 

Saint Etienne were good, though I missed not having more actual beats to
fill the songs up. And the backing singers should have realised they weren't
performing with Celine Dion or Bruce Springsteen. Put it away missus! But
Sarah was a vision in a sparkly gold top and the ever-present boa.
Sightings: the fantastic Emmy-Kate from Kenickie! And Simon Price, who
looked truly ridiculous in his late 80-s polka-dot shirt and a christmas
button that flashed on and off. 

The Sinister social was really lovely. The Po' Cafe is the cutest place
ever. It's tucked away on a tiny street in Covent Garden, away from the
hustle and bustle of annoying tourists. I guess I'm technically a tourist,
but I rule so it doesn't count. Anyhow, we arrived to find a big spread of
veggie food and friendly faces. Our Trousers was the perfect host. He ran a
tight ship, even ensuring that the secret santa presents were distributed in
alphabetical order. And Papercuts' sleeve is done in a gorgeous silver
paper, so you know he's got good taste. And that's enough, because Trousers
shouldn't get too many compliments or it'll go to his head.  Big hello to
Pam, it was cool to see you again after all these years. And the late-night
fish & chips were delicious! Hello also to lovely ms. Sezzie, who's made it
over from Australia and is now a Harrods girl. Tim Hopkins had us all in
stitches, chocolate consultant indeed! And thank you to whoever put the
over-sized Rubix cube in the secret santa bag, it's very cool and has been
an excellent ice-breaker at parties chez Attercliffe Road.

The days leading up to the big 25 were delightful. Princess Racheeee showed
me all the best shopping spots in central Manchester and how to flag down a
big scary bus to Picadilly, usually driven by a grumpy driver who shouts at
you if he has to go get a new ticket roll. 

Pumpkinny and I also DJ'd at Smile, though it was really 80-20% as I hadn't
done it in years and was in a state of panic whenever it was my turn to mix
in the next song. It was freezing, too. But I'm proud to say that I helped
out at the third-from-last-ever Smile, at least at the Star and Garter.
Let's hope it pops up again sometime soon. 

Warrender, John and the lovely Emma came round for a dinner party. We also
had a special surprise visit from Madame Cholet and her pumpkoogy. The
evening saw lots of gossip, a yummy dinner out on Beech Road and Gregory's
Girl--failproof entertainment. You boys should all cover your nipples with
your index fingers, it's top class! Next day, a quick breakfast at Cafe
P!O!O! (cheese on toast, natch) before seeing them off on train to some
small town I don't know.

Christmas was fantastic. How enjoyable to eat nearly a whole box of
Cadbury's Roses while watching the christmas Top of the Pops, admiring the
antics of the Tamperer feat. Maya. Also the special xmas episode of that top
quality soap, Emmerdale. I wonder if the poor shopkeeper survived. He seemed
to have trouble reaching the last half-inch to press his security button,
what a shame. If he dies, can I join his band with the Dingles? I play a
mean jug.

The antics of the New Year's party in Glasgow have already been covered
extensively, but I'll add my 2 cents' worth. We sang for our supper at the
Divine HQ folding tape sleeves. During the post-dinner EastEnders everyone
looked at me in horror when I laughed at Tiff as Frank ran her over and
finished her off. 

Chez Anne & Hush Puppy's we rang the new year in with assorted friends.
Christophe seemed to have drank on behalf of me, and probably a few others.
It made his funny David Bowie noises all the more hilarious. Keith called
Honey to leave a message to say happy new year, and the phone was rude and
called back! Strange Scottish telephones, I tell you. Though perhaps not as
rude as I was some 4 hours later, when I told off a certain b&s member for
wanting to collect her coat from the room we were (trying) to get some sleep
in after being kept up all night by Scottish charades and a mysterious
hand-clapping game. 

Lots of other nice things happened, but this is too long already. Oh, but
one more thing:

UK Latte Winner
---------------
The search for places in the UK that make a decent coffee, or better yet,
latte is an ongoing process. The winner hands-down this time is a
cafe/restaurant in Manchester called Pimlico. It looks kind of trendy, but
don't be put off. 1.30 (pounds) for a delicious latte in a charming glass.
Best of all it's right next to Beatin' Rhythm (formerly known as Goldmine),
so you can pop in for a drink after searching for your favourite girl group
and northern soul records. 

(Tinderbox, a cafe on Byres Road just off of Great Western Road in Glasgow,
comes in a close second. It also gets a special prize for being practically
the only thing open in Glasgow on January 2nd. It appears that Scots take
their new year's very seriously.) 

That is all for now. Back to writing a story for my community newspaper
about the Ice-Clamations, East York's premier figure skating team. I'm not
taking the piss, honest! To be honest, if any of you Sinisterines live in
the East York region of Toronto and have any scoops on stories, let me know
cos we're always looking for new stuff. 

love, 
elisabeth xx

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From bellefish at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 05:53:04 1999
From: bellefish at xxx.com (sarah morgenstein)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:53:04 PST
Subject: Sinister: hello to all!
Message-ID: <19990113055305.1561.qmail@hotmail.com>



Hello! I've just joined up with the digest and look forward to reading 
more from all you lovely characters. In the mean time, I'm Sarah (from 
the plain old U.S.,sigh) and I was very lucky to catch Belle and 
Sebastian in Boston this past fall, it was a beautiful show. I'm 
currently enjoying the new record. 
                       Catch you all later!  

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From kittridge at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 13:02:11 1999
From: kittridge at xxx.com (Matthew Broszkowski)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:02:11 -1200
Subject: Sinister: kafka's the trial
Message-ID: <369C9953.EA04F978@home.com>


hello everyone in canada,
	it's 1:00 am est and kafka's the trial is on showcase television.
channel 39 if you live in toronto, if you happen to see this posting
anytime soon i suggest you watch it, the book is great and is featured
on the cover of if you're feeling sinister.

						going back to watching 
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From clarence at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 07:58:01 1999
From: clarence at xxx.com (Clarence Tsui, Hong Chee)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:58:01 +0800
Subject: Sinister: Divine Comedy and B&S goes POP!
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Dear all,

Main reason for this post concerns Neil Hannon's Divine Comedy. Being an
outcast stationed in Hong Kong, I would like to plead for anyone who can
help me in locating DC's latest spate of singles on CD and cassette. Will
pay heaps (sort of...)

B&S content: Personally, I would wish that everyone would get to appreciate
the greatness of Belle & Sebastian, and by winning the Brits newcomer thing
Stuart M and his friends surely will convert lots more people. I don't mind
Billie fans getting into B&S... it's those who maintains that their idols
staying "indie" and this skint who are implausible and stuck-up.

Ta da, dearies

Clarence
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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 08:23:28 1999
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:23:28 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Grovelling/Baseball Boots
Message-ID: <199901130323_MC2-6672-BCF1@compuserve.com>


Hi All,

Eeeek! Sorry, sorry, sorry!

Sarah, please accept my most humble apologies for making you bristly
instead of Fluffy. Hope pooey floo gone soon.


Shoes thread?  (I can certainly do older, if by no means states-person
like) I was dead chuffed the other day to find at long last another pair of
black Converse baseball boots, as the previous pair had worn out with holes
in the soles that got my feet wet in the slightest rain. Feel really bouncy
again now.

Bye,

Who's Next (?)
Chelmsford, UK 
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From fatslug at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 10:00:16 1999
From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:00:16 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Surgical Stockings
Message-ID: <NKEIFJJNEABKBAAA@shared3.whowhere.com>


Several people felt moved to mention the sweaty German from last
year's Eurovision.  Yes, he was the best, and yes he should have won.

I have to admit that not only did I vote for him, but I have this site
amongst my bookmarks: http://www.guildo-horn.com/

I can't read a word of german, but I'm sure it's all very funny.

Strange thing was when I tried to vote for him it took me ages to get
through, but when my girlfriend voted for the act that came third
she got through straight away...  conspiracy anyone?

I for one am looking forward to the religious unrest in Israel when they
try to hold this year's competition in Jerusalem on the Sabbath.

Check out the latest at one of these top Eurovision sites:
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/1812/eschome.htm
http://www.chris-m.demon.co.uk/index2.htm

David Moore observed that:
> Chris Leonard ate ail and got smelly. The remedy for this is supposed
> to be to eat lots of fresh parsley

Careful David, the way Chris has been going he'll end up eating
a mouthful of Persil instead.  Mind you, that might just do the trick.

Fluffy, those la la laars sounded like the Banana Bunch or
Munch Bunch or People being Crazee in Stupid Costumes on
Kiddies TV in the Seventies or whatever it was they were called.

Anyway, must go, you're not subscribed just so you can read my
drivel are you?  You're here to read about Jessica's underwear.

I know I am.

Kevan
The Fat Slug


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From keith at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 13 10:30:58 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:30:58 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Surgical Stockings
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>Careful David, the way Chris has been going he'll end up eating
>a mouthful of Persil instead.  Mind you, that might just do the trick.


That's not as half as bad as Taggart who yesterday said : "snatches of
dialogue from Russ Meyer films"

Don't think that didn't go unnoticed McTaggart. You should know as well as
anyone that the word "Snatch" is banned from Sinister.

I got this great new CD played program for my computer yesterday and it goes
and looks up the CD database to find out the names of the tracks. I tried to
fool it, putting a Trance Europe Express compilation in, and Spacemen 3 and
Donkeys by the Tindersticks and so on, but it got them all. Just when I
thought it was foolproof, I stuck in the new All Seeing I singles, and it
thinks it's a German maxi CD single of Tina Turner entitled "I don't want to
Loose you" apparently. Oh well, never mind, you can't win them all.

	By the way, I sent a mail to Rodddddddddddddddddddddders yesterday (MS Word
thinks that's a spelling mistake - how wrong it is). So he's alive and
kicking, I asked him to come back and join the list too.

Cheers,
  Keith.

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From ar981611 at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 13 11:10:51 1999
From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:10:51 +0000
Subject: Sinister: la la la, la, la la laaaaaa
Message-ID: <369C7F3B.189A6538@student.paisley.ac.uk>


Kevan, I bow to your superior knowledge.  It IS the theme to the Banana
Splits.  Although the theme to Last of the Summer Wine fits too.  And I
would have thought that it was na, na, na not la, la, la for the Banana
Splits.  

Sarah, stop it now please.  This is troubling me greatly, as I do not
like to find myself singing the theme tune to Last of the Summer Wine at
any time.  Even if it isn't even the right answer.  And even if I use
the word 'even' too much.

Oh and I saw Evan Dando at Glastonbury once.  He was trying to find the
stage that he should have been on about twenty minutes earlier.  Some of
you may have been there.  Anyway he was very stoned and looked very
dazed and missed his slot, but got up on top of a caravan at the edge of
the backstage area and sang some songs to passers-by.  It was very
pleasant.  I don't know why everybody hates him. maybe it was the
association with Courtney Love which makes him somewhat akin to Billy
Corgan in that respect.  

That's all folks, I'm off to study for these exams whch are getting a
bit too close for comfort.  It is still cold but not yet snowing.  But I
do have an excuse to wear the lovely brown cardie with toggles on it
which my mum knitted for me.  It is a hybrid cardigan-duffle and is
possible the ultimate in B&S wear.  Highly recommended, and any knitters
amongst you can have the pattern if you want it and you ask me nicely.

Bye for now

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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 13 11:50:45 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:50:45 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Monica Queen
Message-ID: <199901131148.LAA23350@mailhub.solent.ac.uk>


	The other night - um, tuesday I think - I was listening to 
radio 4 and a drama thingy came on about a (fictional) band from 
the seventies, and their rise and fall, etc. It wasn't especially good, 
just your usual R4 play stuff, but I thought I recognised the voice of 
the singer and sure enough, when the credits came up at the end, 
it was none other than our own Monica Queen. Coo.
	It made up for a strange night as when I got home I found a 
note from some friends on my bed, which is really bizarre as I am 
sure that I locked the door. It's a wierd feeling to know that 
someone - even someone you trust - has been in your private area 
without your supervision or consent even, but anyway, I digress.
	I was out at the rehersal of the band these 2 people are in 
(they've got 3 songs so far: the slow one, the fast one and the one 
about me) and I took it upon myself to be unpleasant about the 
stereophonics, mainly saying that they had one song they played 
slightly faster sometimes. The response to this was that B&S 
songs all sounded similar. Well, I don't think so, obviously, but is 
this a common conception..? Amongst the B&S exposed but non-
fans that is.
	As for her fluffyness's latest challenge, she said "lar lar lar, 
lar, la la laaaaar, lar lar lar lar, laaar la la larrrrr!" which is, if I'm not 
mistaken, For Tomorrow by Blur and therefore not embarrasing in 
the slightest.
		
	keep that flood of postings coming,
					james.
	

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From his8jm at xxx.UK  Wed Jan 13 11:36:15 1999
From: his8jm at xxx.UK (J. MURTAGH)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:36:15 GMT
Subject: Sinister: fat and hairy not for sucking on but some people do.    In movie
Message-ID: <E312161C4@arts-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>


What the hell is going on around this neighbourhood man!? Will 
someone just tell everyone the Radio one phone number for the 
best newcomer award. Oh and vote for Hinda Hicks coz she 
used to work in Mc Donalds. Slimy Barbary.

Who the hell is 'John Boy', Archel? What's going on? Do you have a 
secret pact with Jessica and the gang and talk behind my back? You 
fiend! I shall never tell you about my dreams again.
I'm missing the point.

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Jan 12 15:49:11 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:49:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Go Bi for Elton!
Message-ID: <01be3e43$1976ce60$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


That "Feltrospective" album contained some mouthwatering unreleased
tracks, so it might well be worth waiting for....

I don't know whether I'm subscribed or not at the moment, I put it all
down to the Cancelbot lurking down Honey's trousers. Whatever, I got a
load of old messages this morning, including one form the Duke:

and with respect to Stax, well yes i realise that there was a mish
mash
of noise on Stax, as indeed there was on Motown, but you can't let
little details like actual facts ruin your theories, now can you? Pop
theorists have an unimpeachable right to make up any old bollocks if
it
sounds funny and/or pretentious enough. i mean did Marcus Greil let
the
fact that Bruce Springsteen records are actually shite deflect his
arguments? No he did not. I rest my case...

Quite right. It's just this concept of "the Stax sound" that's doing
the rounds these days, and although I think I know what they mean, I'm
not sure. I know what "the Motown sound" means, even though it was
often veered away from with wild abandon. I think the problem may be
that we use the word "formula" as a kind of shorthand for "series of
formulas". Hmmm. Yes, I'm sure that's it. By the way, I got a smutty,
childish and frankly pathetic mental image when Duke wrote:

As for a sequel to Young and Foolish, well there is the Felt book that
will hopefully come together this year, as long as Lawrence doesn't
pull
out.

Terrible, I know. It's because of "Grandad's False Teeth" I suppose.
Normally I don't stoop quite so low.

Madame Oooon and her secret team of scientists are trying to produce
evil elephant clones in Thailand, and Leonard DeCaprio has inflicted
his hairy coconuts on the peaceful island of Pee Pee. All this from
the BBC, as well as the shocking fact that 60% of records are bought
by women. Let's hope they all vote for B&S in the Brit awards, so that
we get to laugh at Stuart at the ceremony.

WHO content: The other day I went to the pictures and I saw a trailer
and it was Bug Story or something, with computerised ants and
caterpillars and what not, and the music was 70s WHO, which should be
a nice surprise for the kids who go and see it. It was "Baba O'Riley",
perhaps it was chosen for the ant-like quality of the opening
synthesizer sequence that we all know and love. And then I saw a film,
Very Bad Things, and it was good and you should go and see it if you
want to.

Fluffy, our prayers are with you for a speedy recovery.

Sister Disco

"Dexy's Midnight Runners are shite!" - anonymous grafitti on Midland
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From jason at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 06:11:17 1999
From: jason at xxx.com (Jason Schlumbohm)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:11:17 -0800
Subject: Sinister: where jd salinger lives
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JD Salinger lives in or near Burlington VT or something like that. A
co-worker went to Dartmouth and we got to talking about it one day, since I
guess it's not too far. Maybe. I'm at the opposite end of the continent, so
what do I know?
Please don't go visit him! He's just a bitter old man nowadays (or always?)
and probably wouldn't take kindly to sinisterines dropping by.
I must agree, Raise High the Roofbeams, Carpenters and Seymour An
Introduction are sublime. My favourites of all the Glass stories! That
little old man with the hat that never says anything...he's great.
If you really like his stuff, don't go track down too many of his other
stories (the stuff the New Yorker, Story, etc.  that didn't make it into
Nine Stories). I did, and for the most part they didn't make it into Nine
Stories for a reason. With the exception of some other Glass stories that
bordered on small novellas, like "Hapworth 16, 1924" which was supposed to
be published again a few years ago, but I haven't heard anything beyond the
first spout of press releases. "The Inverted Forest" was good, closest
stylistically to the later Glass stuff.

Oh, and the novella "The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner" might
appeal if you liked Catcher. I can't remember offhand who wrote it, though.
I think someone may have mentioned this book while talking about the B&S
Middle Distance Runner song. There's some B&S content for you!
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From rap101 at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 13 13:14:53 1999
From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:14:53 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: freezing her sex pistols off
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.990113124651.24980C-100000@mailer.york.ac.uk>



congratulations to rory for going commando and thus cleverly subverting
the whole "underwear" theme. top prize straight away: a year's supply 
of silk boxers from marks and spencers - never will your bits be
vulnerable again. if only stuart's silver pants had been pants in the
english, rather than the american sense. he would have won then. 

as for finns, which rory also mentioned, i'm sure they are all lovely but
can't help suspecting that their country has an evil corrupting power. for
my friend's beloved girlfriend went there for 6 months (this is the same
friend who snogged his mysteriously acquired dog on wheels all night, and
therefore dear to my heart of course) and then proceeded to dump him by
letter. surely an environmental effect? the cold got to her heart perhaps.
sniff.

i wanted to write some limericks for the lovely newcomers lauren and
erica, but i am short on inspiration and rhymes at the moment. "sporran"
rhymes with lauren though which must have some comedy potential.

the snow has melted and i nearly fell on my arse last night. want summer.

agh...fingers poised on keys moment. have utterly and completely forgotten
what i was going to say....wait, it's coming...jane austen! although i
agree with fluffy that she was a lot more bitter and nasty that some
people think (you should see her letters...) i reckon she had a lot of
imporatnt things to say about the limitations of women's positions in
sense and sensibility ie. having to be polite in company sucked, social
expectations of decorum were the problem as well as personal emotions
getting out of control. financially eleanor and marianne could not afford
to be emotionally open, and this is criticised by austen i think. and how
do you know that marianne didn't love colonel thingy at the end - after
all she had been very ill and so wasn't up to the fast-paced crazy stuff
with the likes of willoughby any more. mature love and affection, that's
what i always hoped they both got in the end. and persuasion is a bloody
gREAT book. 

off to frolic with a bollock, archel xxx
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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 13 13:24:51 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:24:51 +0000 (BST)
Subject: No subject
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So we have found JD finally and he is at the North Eastern seaside,as
someone had published and I read...

All the Glass family stories are fantastic,but my favourite are 'Franny
and
Zooey', and 'A Perfect Day for the Banana Fish'.So sad,touching and magic.
I also love some other bits of him more optimistic like 'The
catcher...',obviously (especially when he speaks about Jane Gallagher and
the summer they spent together , playing draughts)and one of the 'Nine
stories' which title I cannot remember very well, it might be 'The war
against the skimos'? About a girl who plays tennis every Saturday morning
with other girl who never gives her change for the taxi, and that's why
she meets incidentally this other's girl's brother who is a sort of geezer
but absolutely charming.

The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner was written by Alan Sillitoe,
who together with the lately mentioned DH Lawrence are the glories of
Nottinghamshire literature.The Loneliness...is a great book, too.I read
when I was fourteen or so, and felt I had a lot in common with the bloke
in it,though I had never been in a borstal and never managed to run more
that 100 metres without disnea starting.

Underwear note: Today, and this is not usual, that's why I post about it,
I am wearing some stylish,dark blue,lacy , matching bra and knickers.
Archel's remark about the difference between matching and not matching
pairs is really clever.Womanhood (does this word exist?)could be split up
between females wearing matching bra + knickers every day and the ones who
currently don't (me ,for instance).Gwyneth Paltrow would be in the first
group for sure, though I had never the chance to see her in her undies in
any film. 


xxxooooxxxx

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From amyo at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 14:52:30 1999
From: amyo at xxx.com (Queen of Noise)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:52:30 -0600
Subject: Sinister:  Can't keep up
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heh i didn't really say much on this list to begin with, but it was a good
listening experience.  i can't keep up though.  i get a good 25 mails a day
from this list and i really just can't keep up with it at all.  if anyone
wants to email me personally my addy is amyo at arends-sons.com. 
thanks
sincerely
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From Mark at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 14:53:42 1999
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:53:42 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Can't possibly continue without mentioning Arantxa's pants
Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2240FB66@server1.HITEntertainment.com>


Isn't DC Thompson the pride of Dundee? Which reminds me, any thoughts on the
Numskulls (Not that I have an ulterior motive or anything, oh no), anyone?

On a Queen tip - how about a cover of "I'm in love with my car", one of
Rog's tippertop moments? Especially if Isobel can sing the "got a feel for
my automobile" line, which turns me ON!

Should I choose to raid my dad's wardrobe, which isn't likely on the
sartorial front (though I did liberate a white suit and a rather smart great
coat - or is it greatcoat - from his clutches recently), I could be
co-ordinating my clothing in a rather disturbing way, as he has a shirt in
exactly the same green tartan as the boxers I am currently wearing. For some
reason, I feel that talking about my pants won't really have the same effect
Arantxa's admittedly appealing sounding matching underwear, so I'd like you
to stop for a second and picture me in this combination. This is
particularly unpleasant for those of you who've met me. Yum.

I must do lots of work this afternoon, which is also the reason why you
never see any "in my cd player" addenda to my posts. However, I have been
humming the Ride of the Valkyries all morning, thanks to Sarah's la la laaa
conundrum (which isn't the Banana Splits, I wouldn't say) - I know it's
wrong, but something triggered in my head, and now I expect a mammoth
be-armoured warrior princess to accost me round every corner.

I'm still thinking...
Biondino xxx
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From tuckfield45 at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 15:40:30 1999
From: tuckfield45 at xxx.com (Lauren Caulfield)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:40:30 PST
Subject: Sinister: excitement at the prospect of a new duffle/cardy
Message-ID: <199901131540.HAA08541@law-f114.hotmail.com>


hello hello,

it has taken me so very long to convince this computer to let me write 
anything...i'm at my  cousin's college and a server has crashed and  
it's only because a friendly student let me use her password that i am 
able to write at all. bless her cotton socks. (although she's wearing 
nice woolly tights and looks very warm. )

um, i really wanted to write about the hybrid duffle/cardy thing. my 
holiday endeavour is to learn how to knit, and although this pattern is 
probably very above my level of skill i would like to give it a bash. so 
ailsa, could i please please have the pattern. please. and i swear i 
will wear it no matter what shape/form/size etc it turns out, simply as 
an expression of my gratitude to you. i promise. thank you,
         lauren 


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From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 13 15:37:18 1999
From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:37:18 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Because we don't want to
Message-ID: <0014B50B.CE21213@smlawpub.co.uk>


     The news that B&S have been nominated for best newcomers is really 
     quite astonishing. In a bourgeois sort of way I am quite excited by 
     the whole thing. Obviously I'm policing my own thoughts as to why that 
     might be. Really though, who would have thought that a band more or 
     less influenced by Felt, Momus and the Incredible String Band would 
     ever be acknowledged by the corporate world of the likes of Jonathan 
     King? I am looking forward to the first powerful argument against the 
     whole vacuous money-grabbing spectacle of the Brits, but I suspect 
     that might have to wait until Billie takes the stage.
     
     As US readers won't know (some references to this tour de force have 
     already been made), the Brits was much dignified one year by the 
     unlikely pairing of Sam Fox and Mick Fleetwood as presenters. You can 
     only try to imagine, as I am doing now, what could possibly trump 
     that. I'm seeing Brian May from Queen teamed with Alessandra 
     Mussolini.
     
     On reflection there is no prospect less amusing than that of Belle & 
     Sebastian actually winning something, if only because of the 
     Sinisterine backlash. Why, we'll be deserting the list in droves - 
     won't we?
     
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From lee.whitehead1 at xxx.net  Wed Jan 13 16:38:02 1999
From: lee.whitehead1 at xxx.net (Lee Whitehead)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:38:02 -0000
Subject: Sinister: If it aint broke......
Message-ID: <000c01be3f13$30541d60$2b46a8c2@bentley>


Sarah wrote:
"I could write Mills and Boon you know."

I was told by a friend doing a writing degree that if you wanted to write a
Mills and Boon story you had to apply for the story guidelines (THAT MUST BE
FOLLOWED), which is basically a set formula, along the lines of:

1. Page 25. -"the respective man and women exchange feverish glances"

2. Pages 52-88. -"the date"

3. Page 89. -"the good-night smooch"

4. Pages 92-170. "the sex"

5. Pages 180-. "the tragedy that befalls the couple (the end)"

They also send you a list of "useful" adjectives.

I cant remember the exact details and I've never read one (honest) but I
think my friend was telling the truth.


The snow in Nottinghamshire has nearly all gone, and i never even threw one
snowball *sigh*.

Lee.


P.S. Evan is a wanker, a talented one though.






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From rory_mackie at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 16:54:55 1999
From: rory_mackie at xxx.com (Rory Mackie)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:54:55 PST
Subject: Sinister: Socks and pants mainly.
Message-ID: <199901131654.IAA05932@law-f93.hotmail.com>


Hello,

 Wow, the list is going a bit Romo isn't it? First we had someone 
enquiring after Haircut 100 (One word. No! That way lies terror, 
undescribable horror and darkness. And Limahl.) then Tampere is outed as 
the new hotbed of boys in mascara action and the sweet Weejay is even 
pining after Plastic Fantastic! I thought the day would never come. Ok 
weejay this is just for you:-

 'Oh nerrr, here we gerrrrrrr, Whu-hoo, Whu-hoo, Whu-hoo, 
Whoooooooooooooo!'

 God I haven't done that in years. It takes me right back to balmy 
summer nights spend drinking lemon hooch outside Arcadia. Sniff.

 I would also like to apologise for my appaling spelling in my last 
post, I was a bit pushed for time and *very* self conscious as a film 
crew from the RNIB had just shown up in my geeky netcafe and were 
filming for a documentary about Websites for the blind. Overtly surreal, 
granted, but true. The producer got dead excited about the reflection of 
the screen in my glasses, which I thought was taking the piss a bit but 
there you go. So sinister will be famous! If you're visually impaired 
look out for it. 



(A sudden disturbing silence broken only by the muffled pealing of a 
church bell in the distance, a gentle breeze coaxes a solitary 
tumbleweed lazily over the foreground)

 

 Also can anyone tell me exactly where I can acquire those socks with 
individual pockets for each toe? I have ten really small things that I 
just don't know what to do with.

 StayLuckyRoryxx (still going commando because he likes free, fresh wind 
in his hair, life without care..)
 

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From ot4ot4ot4ot4 at xxx.net  Wed Jan 13 17:38:24 1999
From: ot4ot4ot4ot4 at xxx.net (Cray Weeden)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:38:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: haircut
Message-ID: <3173-369CDA10-997@mailtod-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net>


 Sometimes all a band has is one really nice song. Haircut 100 has one -
'Love Plus One'. I didn't even think that I liked it anymore until I
heard again recently. The intro and the production are beautiful. I'm
surprised that no one has sampled it yet.

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Wed Jan 13 18:25:42 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:25:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: No Easy Way To Be Free...
Message-ID: <01be3f22$21472060$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


I've subscribed again. I was even quicker than Keith. Apparently I
have to wait a week before posting, so don't tell Paul about this
one - tee hee. Keith, I've got Odds and Sods too, it's great, full of
classic WHO performances from the 60s and 70s, isn't it?. My favourite
lyric comes from Postcard, by The Ox, ladies and gentlemen:

There's miles of Frankfurters
and people who hurt us
in Germany

apparently inspired by over-zealous customs officials. Cracker, la. By
the way Keith, who's this Ross bloke you're knocking about with? It's
not Ricky Ross is it?  What's your favourite Odds and Sods lyric?

Weejay, perhaps your friends shoved that note under your door and a
freak gust of cartoon wind blew it onto your bed. That would explain
it.

Mister Moore, I'd be only too happy to furnish you with a Denim tape.
Mind you, I haven't got a working tape deck at the moment, so it might
be a bit of a wait. There's a bit of a tape queue too, including Sid
Snot, so if you get a better offer, I'd take it. My mum's got my Felt
and Pastels stash, so that's out.

I'm staring at the screen trying to think of some B&S content, but
it's just not happening. I think I'll have a fag and try again later.

Slip Kid

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From bobbins2000 at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 18:43:05 1999
From: bobbins2000 at xxx.com (Beth Tilston)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:43:05 PST
Subject: Sinister: Evil elf
Message-ID: <199901131843.KAA07841@law-f93.hotmail.com>


Hello sinisterines,

I tried to mail you yesterday but there is an evil elf who redirects all 
of my emails.  Of course, he is a cyberelf- he doesn't exist in reality.  
Anyway, my name is Beth.  I did join the list before christmas but then 
I had to go home where I don't have email.  Ethan may remember me. I 
tried to pull him by offering him a kitkat.  Bribery hey, it works every 
time.  Well I am sitting here in the university computer room in my new 
homeboy pants.  they are VERY baggy.  Underneath them, I have a pair of 
old blue knickers which don't go with my sexy topshop bra at all.  I 
don't own a 'set' of underwear.  What does this say about my character?
  I am impressed all the humorous posts that I have read since I got 
back from being in posh isolation (wa-hey!), especially by archel.  Will 
you be my friend?
 Anyway, if anyone is interested, I got a guitar for christmas.  It is  
a lovely shade of green and everyone who has met it is impressed.  I 
bought it from a magical guitar land in Wigan which is populated only by 
teenage chinese girls.  At the moment I know A, E and D chords.  D is my 
favorite as it is very happy.  Anybody want to suggest their favourite 
chords? (Just ignore me, I'll probabley go away).
 On the subject of books (yes I know  you've finished talking about that 
but i am a bit behind), I would like to recommend Douglas Coupland.  If 
anyone else has already mentioned him, well done, he rocks.
 Anyway, the room I am in looks a bit hazy, I think it may be on fire so 
I am going to go now.  Actually, it may just be that the thin air in 
here is making me go mad.

              Love from Beth XXXXX :)

P.S  I intend to completely overhaul my underwear drawer.  Any 
suggestions gratefully accepted  

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From mazzy_ana at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 20:04:01 1999
From: mazzy_ana at xxx.com (ana simic)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:04:01 GMT
Subject: Sinister: and Brits go on and on
Message-ID: <19990113200402.4933.qmail@hotmail.com>



It might be, dear clarence, that I am one of the people who
want their bands to stay 'indie'... So what? I really do not see
any advantages of a band like b&s being on the radio (or,
oh my God, MTV) on heavy rotation. I _don't_ want to 'overlisten' 
them against my will. 
I absolutely to not have anything against 'sharing' this band with 
other people (that is what I'm actually doing on this mailing list...
..by the way).
But there simply _is_ a difference in sharing b&s with you guys and
sharing ..hmm...e.g. Robbie(heheh, yes do think he's cool...*s*) with
millions of other people.
That's just got to do with the fact that b&s are different.And I hope
you'd agree with that.

I'll try to be more funny on my next mailings...hmm..This whole thing
is preoccupying me far too much.

take care
*Ana*

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From patrickosborne at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 20:27:27 1999
From: patrickosborne at xxx.com (Patrick Osborne)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:27:27 -0000
Subject: Sinister: eurovision
Message-ID: <199901132059.UAA01695@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


Someone mentioned the german on eurovision, yes he was pretty funny but he
undermined the basic concept of eurovision, which is that yes it's naff but
the contestants must take it seriously, therein lies its naffness and
wonder.  some friends of mine and I got together last year and ate food of
each nationality when the song was playing, which led to some rather
interesting juxtapositions of food (pickled herring - Sweden, bratwurst -
Germany, etc.) but it was lots of fun to do and recommended.  glad to hear
that mew enjoyed our little euro-culture fest, just remember it when your
american friends go on about cultured Europe, ha ha.  I'm hoping to be in
israel this year when it all happens (just by accident!), incidentally,
since when was Israel in Europe?

B&S content: in one way it would be great if they won the Brit award but in
another way not...I've always hated that attitude of people who won't
listen to a band they formerly liked once they've become more widely
successful, or who claim they've "sold out" but B&S winning a Brit just
doesn't seem to gel with me somehow...

Patrick



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From alix.campbell at xxx.net  Wed Jan 13 20:46:02 1999
From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:46:02 -0000
Subject: Sinister: dear aunty gerty, thank you for the shitty christmas present
Message-ID: <017701be3f35$bc140dc0$a63ca8c2@big-comp>


hello my budding porn stars

underwear - mine's purple today. but not matching purple. actually, it's
more plum and lilac respectively. though, if you've seen the
photo of moi on't website, you'll know that knowledge of my underwear isn't
a very wholesome thought.

oh, will someone please remind me what a 'curate's egg' is. i've been told
at least twice, and still can't remember. i know why i can't remember, it's
because the person telling me looked like a guinea pig. lovely lovely mr.
dodd's, the rodent-like head of english.....straight out of james joyce, he
was.

remember: coca cola is NOT an effective substitute for mouthwash.

lahve
alix


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It's silent in the boardroom as I contemplate this, thinking it through
before asking, finally,
"What's 'broiled,' Luis?"
"I'm not sure," he says. "I think it involves . . . a pan"






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From cchaffin at xxx.org  Wed Jan 13 21:34:29 1999
From: cchaffin at xxx.org (Christa Chaffinch)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:34:29 -0500
Subject: Sinister: i'm in my skivvies, yes
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Well, no not really.  But all of this talk about underwear, I'm all
a-twitter.
I like to wear matching sets, today I have on a lovely black
ensemble
with brown and cream flowers.  Oohhhh!  I feel so naughty.  heehee!
So, I wanna know how you all feel about the word "panties".
I, for one, HATE that word so much.  It makes me think of pedophiles
or somehting.  Yuck.  I cringe whenever I hear it used in a
conversational
manner.  When my boy Dan was in elementary school, the kids called
him 
"Danny Panty" as a nickname.  That infuriates him, mostly because it
doesn't
even rhyme.
B&S content:  someone stole my copy of Tigermilk out of my car
around
new years.  Boo!  Where is the holiday spirit, people?  
I am happy with the list lately, too.  I'm all sunshine and bunnies
over all of you.
love
-christa
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From tinystar at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 21:49:58 1999
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:49:58 -0500
Subject: Sinister: capsule living
Message-ID: <001301be3f3e$c69f3f40$211e05d1@tinystar>


bonjour sinisterines,

there's even more snow in toronto, but at least it's sunny today and not
grey and blah the way it has been lately. there's even been a bit of
controversy, as i mistakenly called naomi wolf's book "the booty myth" in a
truly freudian slip of the tongue.

kevan "you know you want it" cooke wrote:
>>Anyway, must go, you're not subscribed just so you can read my
drivel are you?  You're here to read about Jessica's underwear.

I know I am.<<

oh good, i was just trying to decide whether or not to wear nice underwear
today, and kevan has made up my mind or me. so you all have him to thank for
my wonderbra ultra push-up (yes, i do believe in miracles) and little white
bikini underwear.

beth "do you smell burning?" tilston wrote:
>>P.S  I intend to completely overhaul my underwear drawer.  Any
suggestions gratefully accepted<<

if you have not already done so, rush out immediately and purchase any sort
of wonderbra push-up thing. it's not possible to feel down when your boobs
are so up. shall i make a bad joke about cleavage? no, i don't think so. or
rather, on the contrary. also necessary: bikini underwear, none of those
dreadful thong things because they cover up the "tasty part of the belly"
(as a boy once said to me).

miss fluffy puffy sarah wrote:
>>Lesely Jo what is a s-u-v? is it rude???<<

i admit that i am not lesley jo, but i do know what a suv is and would like
to show off. it is a sport utility vehicle, a jeep or a cherokee or range
rover. they tend to be purchased by middle-aged business men wearing scuba
watches and sport sandals, armed with the belief that with these rugged
accessories, they're able to take off into the wilderness if they so desire.
it do wish it was rude, but it's more pathetic depending on who owns the
suv.


and then miss fluffy puffy sarah wrote:

>>Can we have a shoes thread?<<

ooh, i've had to restrain myself from buying more shoes, it's one of those
obsessions along with underwear that can get really out of control. i've
also been wearing trainers lately (i do find that word preferable to
'running shoes'), of the acupuncture variety, they're grey and black with
hightech-looking orange bits on them. also in heavy rotation are my john
fluevog angels, my dr marten mary janes, my platform shoes, and my truly
canadian winter boots: big and clompy and guaranteed to 30 below zero. my
current shoe obsession is a pair of very furry hush puppies slippers,
they're quite glam and seem just the thing to dance around the house in on a
wintry day, singing along with lisa germano and making frozen pizzas. ooh,
i'm also having a love affair with the clarks winter boots, the ones that
are made of sheepskin lined suede. mmm, suede...i wish brett anderson would
go on another awards show with his blouse unbuttoned and shake it for us.
but i suppose his shaking days are over.

hmm, must brave the winter snow and ice and go to work. as previously
mentioned, if anyone would like to offer me a job that is not working in
retail, please do.

not on speed,
jessicaxo


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside
the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even
orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m  (it's lovely being a girl)

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From moomin1998 at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 21:59:41 1999
From: moomin1998 at xxx.com (Jonas Svensson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:59:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: next generation stadium rockers
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Hi everybody (serious b&s content in this one)

i´m listening to the recent swedish broadcast, lovely. i checked the
webpage of my local recordstore (www.skivhugget.se) and made a b&s
search and found to my suprise that they had tigermilk listed on
import-cd. could this be the new jeepster release, i didn´t know that
jeepster had set a release date. the page said 99-02-20, hope they are
right. insanly expensive if it isn´t bootleg (277skr, ~25pound).

i also found belle and sebastian mentioned in the newspaper. in an
article about the state of modern literature, i might as well translate
a little bit of it, since it´s an unusual place to find b&s content. and
it tells is what those lines really are about :) excuse my poor english
i´m doing this quick, and i didnt really understand it in swedish but it
sounded nice
"i´m not as sad as dostoyevsky, i´m not as clever as mark twain, sings
stuart murdoch in the glasgow band belle & sebastianon a new ep, this is
just a modern rock song. in the lowtuned and careful (hmm) there is a
powerreservoeir, something that makes the words powerful and real. It´s
about to remain in ones tiredness and ambivalence, about observing the
citys state from a passioned distance: no theatre, no played safety..
(then he starts to go on on writers today)" (gp del3)

oh yes and the brit awards, i´d like to say that i hope that they´ll win
and become the biggest band in the world. but then would we really like
to see them live at wembley. on a second thought, i might want that
anyway. i mean consider all those people singing along.

and one last thing was it only one song that they didn´t play in the
swedish broadcast??

take care
-jonas




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From bellefish at xxx.com  Wed Jan 13 22:54:11 1999
From: bellefish at xxx.com (sarah morgenstein)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:54:11 PST
Subject: Sinister: underwear!
Message-ID: <19990113225412.19786.qmail@hotmail.com>



hello again... now you can all see my poor typing in action! if my lack 
of capitals is bothersome, please let me know and ill make an effort to 
correct it. underwear is one of my favourite pulp songs and the 
continuing chat about undergarments is amusing, ill bare my stars and 
olympic torches today, but only in words! there is a definite lack of 
snow here in Connecticut so anybody who wishes to send their snow my 
way, id gladly accept it. if i didnt read it here, i would not have 
known that b&s are up for a potenetial award. ill have to agree with 
whoever commented that theyd prefer to keep their belle and sebastian 
cozy and quiet- and far away from commercial radio. thank goodness for 
college radio or i wouldnt be here right now. time to read more john 
irving... take care and talk to you later! -sarah

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From A.L.Corby-98 at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 13 22:08:16 1999
From: A.L.Corby-98 at xxx.uk (AL Corby)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:08:16 +0000
Subject: No subject
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Hello,

This is my first and possibly my last time so bear with me, I so wanna
unsubscribe, but then I remember that as I finish my exams tomorrow and
have nothing for 3/4 weeks, I may well be turning to you guys for
entertainment of sorts.  so there you go.  I must admit it was quite funny
coming back to uni after xmas and seeing peoples faces as they saw i had
496 new emails, After reading about ten I gave up (poor I know but the next
time I checked it I had 120 so what the hey) honestly has noone else
anything better to do.

Anyway that's it except I think Evan is cool but then my taste in men is
not to be desired, me and this guy I liked aren't speaking, something to do
with me being nasty to an american girl, she asked for it, she had a bis
tshirt on for god's sake and she kept saying 'well in america it's like
this'.  But then  should learn not to be judgemental and appreciate others
cultures.  I'm not bitter, honest.

So hopefully I have now alienated at least half the list,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAAAAH

BYe 

ANDREA
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Wed Jan 13 23:59:39 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:59:39 -0800
Subject: Sinister: birthday girl/angel voice/do something smutty while you can
Message-ID: <000201be3f58$7cd29500$0e11020a@rebelstrange>


first of all, I heart mrs murdoch!!  mrs murdoch, wasn't Stuart a mama's
boy? did he used to huddle in your skirts when the big boys yelled at him?
and you gave him a nice cup of sugary tea to comfort him didn't you, and his
dog on wheels to hug while he cried.   Did he used to bring a shiny apple to
teacher every day at  school?  and didnt' the girls pick on him and throw
him down with judo every single day?  poor bastard.

well yesterday (12th) was actually my birthday, but i was too lazy to write
a birthday post, so it's a post b-day post.  Ryan, you whine about  being
20, and you're not even legal to drink yet! i'm all of  22, and  do you see
me  crying?? oh no!  and you wanna know why?  because i dont' have a digital
videocamera hooked up so you can watch it!!   It was sucky for the most
part, i stayed home inside a sleeping bag  cos i was on the rag,  i didn't
even work all night, but i turned out alright, cos i go the bestest
"birthday present' i could possibly  get, in the form of the New York shows
and various radio stuph!! lord anthony lord anthony!!  actually i really
REALLy wished that wee Isobel would show up on my door singing "happy
birthday Miss Future President" in a sexy  breathy seductress voice, but i
had to make do with playing the slow version of "seeing other people'
repeatedly and pretending she was singing to me.   I lead a sad and empty
life.
 But i finally figured out what it is about the charm of her voice.(sort of)
It has this tone in it..it's just wonderful, and she does this thing with
her pronunciation i guess, or whatever you call it.....almost like a 'twang'
but not really, it's almost incongruous with her scottish accent, but she
pulls out the words like in "kissing your elbow" and "is it wicked" it's in
the word "wicked" if you listen to it closely.    It's amazing.  I was
surprised at how claustrophobic and manic "poupee de son' sounded, liek they
had recorded it inside a cookie tin with a drum machine and isobel was on
amphetamine rush being chased by the Gestapo or somthing. not in a bad way,
it was  rather fascinating actually.   Man was that richard drumming in
that??  if so, the man is amazing, mark my words.    ooh and i also like how
stuart fudged a line in "dirty dream" and said "da da da-da da"  what a cool
cucumber!

Now for mroe B&S content are you proud of me? i wondered what any of you
thought about "we rule the school" because as i listened to it last night i
was  thinking about it.   when he says "why did she do it, was she scared,
was she pushed"  why  would someone think that she was scared into carving
that on a beech tree?    what does that mean?  in the context of what he's
saying, do all these fun things, because you can and because they're cool.
but at the end he says "you know the world was made for men, but not
us" --at least that's what i thought he said in Tigermilk, but on the live
one i heard last night, he said "AND not us".
Does that mean that he's speaking as a girl in the song?  what does that
mean to anyone out there   who has thought about it?  i'm really curious
what you think, or if i just odnt' know what i'm talking about.   Talk
amongst yoursellves, i'll wait.

AND, this took me all of 5 minutes to think up, so enjoy.

DO SOMETHING SMUTTY  WHILE YOU CAN
In a truck stop bathroom stall,
"N. C. Licked Me"
why did she do it, was she hot? was she horny?
Do something smutty while you can,
Don't fall asleep,
Looking at "Hustler" in church
is cool
Do something smutty while you can,
Dont' be a prude
make dirty movies of yourself
with goats
Call me a pervert if you want, it's no insult
you know the world was made for whores
just like us.....

lesleyJo
http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange
No bachelor has ever experienced such desolate loneliness as does the
spinster; for the bachelor is a man, and the older spinster but a male-like
woman.
--Dr. Joseph Tanenbaum, _The Riddle of Woman_, 1936


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From Iangstl at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 01:50:36 1999
From: Iangstl at xxx.com (Iangstl at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:50:36 EST
Subject: Sinister: the snow is falling, falling, falling.....
Message-ID: <e5d8cc59.369d4d6c@aol.com>


hi you,

sarah solicited:
>> there is a definite lack of snow here in Connecticut so anybody who wishes
to send their snow my way, id gladly accept it <<

You may have 22 of my 23 inches of the wet, white stuff! Stop your smut-o-
meters; the level on that one registers too low. It is cold (-29 wind chill)
and very snowy here in Michigan. We will break our record of 29 inches in
January very soon. Another 3 to 6 are supposed to drop within the next 24
hours.

B&S content~~ I know that it is an old subject thread, but upon a much too
close inspection, I had to comment further. After listening to IYFS three
times on an 8 mile drive, during a snow emergency, and having a sharp rise in
my claustrophobic senses while trying to "find a lane" to drive in, I can
clearly state that it is indeed a winter album. Especially delightful was the
ending of Me and the Major (Label), Fox in the Snow, and the riotous for the
moment, Get Me Away from Here, I'm Dying which I had to repeat a few extra
times each time I saw another car left by the wayside or in a drift. Mayfly
made me yearn for spring, as if the conditions weren't enough to justify that
craving, and Judy just made me feel better as it always does. 

I am now waiting for spring to really enjoy the warmth of TWATTYBUM or better
yet, a new release and Tigermilk: ahhhh but I ask for too much.

- dawn
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From gabi77 at xxx.br  Thu Jan 14 01:10:30 1999
From: gabi77 at xxx.br (Gabriela Sampaio)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:10:30 -0200
Subject: Sinister: Salinger, Bollocks and underwear!
Message-ID: <01BE3F56.4F358F00@ch19m20.sol.com.br>



Hello sisters and brothers (May I call you that? :)  )

This is my second post and I've got enough to say, even though there's nothing much to do with b&s.... Perhaps it's just because I've just been introduced to them and I still haven't recovered from the "epiphany", as someone once described that is to listen to them. Anyway, I'' try to be brief and not write a very long e-mail....

First of all, you guys are so lucky! You have snow and some of you complain? Well, before you start that again, when you are tired of shovelling the snow in front of your houses, just remember that there are people living in the Tropics that never had the chance of seeing snow falling, make snow fights or snow angels... All we have here is sun, sun, and sun... Almost 9 months of the year and the rest is cold, but not THAT, cold... Right now, even though it's summer in Brazil and in the rest of the Southern Hemisphere, all we have is rain. Probably one day I'll bump into Noah and his arch, because things are getting unbearable...lol

Michael... I think Frolic, or Frolics in this case, rhyme best with BOLLIX. Which was the funniest way I've seen bollocks ever written. LOL!

Eurovision... wasn't last year that an Israeli travesty won a prize or something? I think that would be perfect for Eurotrash, one of my favourite shows too that I can get in our cable tv...  But for my experience with British Television, or should I say, Irish television, I remember this really strange show... I can't remember the name, but it was in Glasgow and the characters were all drunk and incredibly weird looking. I couldn't understand a word they said. My Irish friends told me not to worry then, because they couldn't understand a word either and that's why it was so funny... LOL

What would have Kafka written if he were Glaswegian? Hehehe....

You are also complaining that you missed b&s concerts... Consider yourselves lucky again! At least they meant to play there... What about here? Does anyone know if they have ever considered the idea of playing in Brazil?

The catcher in the rye is one of my favourites and Holden Caulfield is my hero... :) I knew that JD lived isolated somewhere in the American East Coast...But thanks, now I know it's New Hampshire... Didn't he write anything after he decided to turn into a hermit? I heard, I'm not sure that one of his ex-girlfriends wrote a book and told a few secrets about the poor man... Has anyone heard about that? I'll take your advice, Debbie, and I'm going to read  Raise High the Roofbeams Carpenters and Seymour an Introduction

To Jessica: I love underwear too. But one thing struck me when I spent some time in Ireland. I went shopping with a friend and when we got to the Underwear section I thought, well, maybe it would be a good idea to bring some home but...I think it was Miss Selfridges the name of the shop.... God... Weird underwear. I mean, all they had was huge things that covered all your buttocks or tiny thongs that made me blush... Why didn't they have something right in the middle of those two types? I mean... Something not THAT big and not THAT tiny? They are much sexier that is!  ;)

Btw... Now that everybody decided to tell the colour of their underwear... I'm wearing black cotton panties with a little ladybug embroidered on the back (I'm such a child!!). No bra, as I think that when you are at home you deserve to have some liberties, don't you think girls? LOL Jessica... Thanks. Now I'm going to get paranoid and start to think I might be in the middle of a flood and my underwear is not co-ordinating.... LOL

David... I had never heard about Felt, The Pastels and Denim before... so if that makes you feel better, you're not the only one... and if you ever get that tape, remember to tell me if I should go straight to the record store and buy their records... :)

Oh! Right.... Before I forget I ahven't introduced myself properly to the brothers and sisters (lol). My name is Gabriela, I am 21 (will be 22 in March...) and live in São Paulo, Brazil... I'm studying Journalism. To name a few of my favourite things: Oscar Wilde, 80's stuff, reading/writing, travelling, partying and now... apart from listening non-stop to the Smiths... listening to Belle&Sebastian... ! There you go....

Ciao ciao


Gabi

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From ozmusic48 at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 02:58:19 1999
From: ozmusic48 at xxx.com (Ben Rainbird)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:58:19 PST
Subject: Sinister: The room is lit like a black and white movie, the TVs on, that's what it's for..
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Hi Folks

I was looking for people to share my joy with today. First of all
I found my old Fuzzbox tape! Hah, remember them? International rescue
etc. What a band. And secondly I found an Irn Bru selling newsagent
in Australia.

I'm off now to find a new football top cos I have money. Think I
might buy a Sweden top. The Yellow Home one.

Happy days and glitter to you all
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From ozmusic48 at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 02:58:32 1999
From: ozmusic48 at xxx.com (Ben Rainbird)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:58:32 PST
Subject: Sinister: The room is lit like a black and white movie, the TVs on, that's what it's for..
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Hi Folks

I was looking for people to share my joy with today. First of all
I found my old Fuzzbox tape! Hah, remember them? International rescue
etc. What a band. And secondly I found an Irn Bru selling newsagent
in Australia.

I'm off now to find a new football top cos I have money. Think I
might buy a Sweden top. The Yellow Home one.

Happy days and glitter to you all
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From bellefish at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 06:22:54 1999
From: bellefish at xxx.com (sarah morgenstein)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:22:54 PST
Subject: Sinister: hmmmm....
Message-ID: <19990114062254.26487.qmail@hotmail.com>



hello again.... its snowing now, thats such a wonderful thing, white 
streets, white branches, and no brown leaves showing, especially at 
night cos then it hasnt been spoiled by cars yet. so, anybody else from 
the states here? kirsten said she was, i have to reply. panties seems 
more like doll dress up clothes language than for people but my friend 
at college thinks that po talks about panties when you squeeze her and 
she repeats her song. there was some controversy about po not too long 
ago, people thought she might be saying offensive things, now really... 
'we rule the school' is such a pretty song but now, well, i had to laugh 
at lesleyjo's new version and i wonder how long ill remeber that for. 
'do something pretty while you can, dont fall asleep' i have it painted 
on the wall by my bed, a reminder i guess. more later, yr happy new 
sinister friend, sarah

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From jordi-tv at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 06:12:50 1999
From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:12:50 +0100
Subject: Sinister: On the one hand...
Message-ID: <19990114091250.HM.000000000009VMp@mixmail.com>


...If I were american I�d vote for Lesley as president. Lesl
ey, you can always bomb Iraq with Billie and S---- Girls 
records, except at Saddam�s House, which I wouldn�t mind to 
see him dead, really.
 Well, I can�t imagine Stuart singing "Candle in the wind" 
in a future funeral of your Prince William after dying from 
a drug overdose, but I would like for them the same fame as 
Radiohead or Suede. Wouldn�t it be fair ?
Sorry If I missed something about that, but can you vote for 
the brits if you are not british ? 

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From wac at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 14 11:07:37 1999
From: wac at xxx.uk (Wesley Coles)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:07:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Re: our b & s
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	Hello, just thought i'd chuck in a comment - its great that other 
people will get to appreciate our band...but its great as it is now isn't 
it, its just about easy to get tickets for gigs, there is a community 
feel about it all. BUT does everyone want them to get dead big and take 
over the world ?????

	i reckon the modern rock song on vinyl sounds better cos there 
are extra crackles!!!!

	sorry to ask, but would it be possible for anyone to do me a copy 
of the black sessions / other newish stuff????  i was working at the time 
so i missed it !!  i have older stuff i can swop!!

		cheers!   wez

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From Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 14 12:14:41 1999
From: Charlotte.Hall at xxx.uk (Charlotte Hall)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:14:41 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Curate's egg/Fox & Fleetwood/Stars in Their Eyes/Shoes
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     Curate's egg. Something that is good in parts. Derived supposedly from 
     a meek curate (assistant priest) who on being given a stale egg said 
     "Parts of it are excellent". Which is how I feel about Is It Wicked 
     Not to Care. Etymology, B&S content and controversy in one step. What 
     more could you want?
     
     The Brits presenting combo. Now I'm seeing Roger Daltrey and Tori 
     Spelling. 
     
     I believe it was Chris Leonard who was promising to appear on Stars in 
     Their Eyes, as Johnny Mathis. Chris, whatever happened to your bold 
     plan? You could subvert the whole system by coming on as Johnny Mathis 
     but then singing something entirely different. A crowd-pleasing WHO 
     song, perhaps.
     
     Charlotte
     
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From Michael.Barrett at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 08:35:22 1999
From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.com (Michael)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:35:22 -0000
Subject: Sinister: When someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!
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Underwear, knitting and Eurovision - the one and only Belle & Sebastian
list.

I like the term panties, and pants, but only in a humorous context. You
would never actually say to someone, 'Nice panties - can I pull them off
with my teeth'. I prefer the real classy words, like skants and kegs.  And
aren't bodies just the best thing ever? Pop - pop - pop and you're in.

I've never been a particular fan of any band before, yet whenever I have an
empty moment in my head I notice there is a B&S song playing (mostly from
IYFS).  This worries me.

I started reading Girlfriend In Oklahoma, just after but not because of the
thread here started, and was really enjoying it.  However, on the train this
morning they talked about a show with aliens and conspiracies and an FBI guy
and an FBI bird, which struck me as being really clumsy and sort of
computer-nerd jokey (you know what I mean).  I hope this is not a bad omen
for the rest of the book.

Should I make any attempt to link the above paragraphs?  Nah.

In my head: Get me away from here, I'm dying.
Michael

PS I'm fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing. What do you mean "bad"?
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From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 14 13:01:16 1999
From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:01:16 -0000
Subject: Sinister: clown control to mao-tse tung
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Hello, hello, itÂ’s grand to see your good-time face again.

1: MODEM LIFE IS RUBBISH
Various kindly folk have brought quite a blush to my cheeks by saying nice
things about papercuts, a little fanzine I put out with my pals Caleb and
Taylor. I wouldnÂ’t normally mention it here, but as it kind of grew out of
the List like a benign tumour, what the hell... ItÂ’s got lots of smashing
stuff in it by venerable old-timers such as Bobby McTaggart, Keithy Watson,
Peter Meeller, Magnetic Megan, Steadymike, etc etc. I donÂ’t want to besmirch
the sacred groves of sinister with vulgar commerce, so if anyone would like
to get an issue, email me privately (poetryplace2 at easynet.co.uk) and IÂ’ll
give you the ordering details. The second issue will be coming out in
February, so if you would like to contribute something, drop me a line.

2: BREATHING NEW LIFE INTO THE SANDWICH
You could also pick up a copy of papercuts at the next Social at the Poetry
Cafe in London on Friday 22nd January. As Large Stu said the other day, it
is going to feature an exclusive acoustic performance from those Essex
Existentialists, Hefner. Well, in fact, it will just be Darren the singer,
accompanied by their new lap-steel guitarist, previewing material from the
forthcoming elpee. I will endeavour to put all the details on the jeepster
meet-up page.

3: LISPECTOR VS RECTOR
The mighty Cynthia Saylasaylasaylasaylasay brought up the subject of the
Russian-born, Brazilian writer, Clarice Lispector, confirming my suspicion
that sinisterons are the new literati. Two of my favourite books in the
world are Soulstorm and The Foreign Legion, both collections of odd snippets
of short fiction and well worth tracking down. Avoid at all cost Helene
CixousÂ’s demented book about Lispector, however.

4: <ARSENAL>
My favourite book at the moment, by-the-by, is Graham McCannÂ’s new volume
about Morecambe and Wise. Did you know that the chucklesome couple once
played second on the bill to a ring-tailed lemur? Ahhh, the Golden Days of
Variety...

5: HOLY GREIL
Staying on a literary “tip”, someone brought up the vexed subject of  Mr
Marcus Greil. I once had a bit of a ding-dong row with Mr Greil in a
bookshop in Seattle. I accused him of being a sentimental old
singer-songwriter groupie (I was paraphrasing Ian Penman at the time), and
he accused me of being a snooty limey ponce because I liked My Bloody
Valentine. A crucial moment in pop scholarship, IÂ’m sure youÂ’ll agree. Next
week, I might tell you how I corrected Simon ReynoldsÂ’ misinterpretation of
Barthesian jouissance. If youÂ’re very lucky.

6: WEREWOLVES OF THAILAND
Was I dreaming, or did SinisterÂ’s favourite bearded footballer of
yesteryear, Peter Withe, become the coach of the Thai national team? Has
Oooooon been taking advice on footballing matters from Peter Miller or
something? This is never a good idea, as the Turks well know. Withe was
previously the European scout for Aston Villa, apparently, which is surely a
definition of modern futility.

7: POPPIES SAY "SKRREEEEWWHRRRRCCCCSSSZZPPBEEP"
I went to see the infernal new Roman Polanski film last week, Pi. Ooooh, it
made my head hurt. ItÂ’s got lots of hard sums in it, and the central
character looks like one of them brainy fellers from the old Tefal adverts.
The scariest thing about the film is that the very spooky and Aphexy
soundtrack was done by Clint Mansell out of Pop Will Eat Itself.

Stevie Trousers
xxxx

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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 14 13:58:38 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:58:38 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Lalalaing in London,1968
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9901141347350.15532-100000@granby>




Queridos siniestros :

Lee wrote :
"the snow in Nottinghamshire"

It has already dissappeared, true.I really miss a good snow, to have a
good excuse not to come to School, for example.So Lee,are you in Notts.
too? So at least we are three!

Fluffy, I have the solution to your enigma : without doubt ,that tacky
song spinning in your mind only can be 'La la la',by the unique Massiel.
And now I will have seven hundred and ninety British/American/Australians
wondering : 'What?'.Some hint: it was the song chosen by St Etienne to
make a cover for that album with Eurovision songs released last year.It
was the first time Spain won the Eurovision contest! So with this literate
reference I have resumed both the most interesting topics in the list
later.

Massiel's performance and white,ye-ye dress is an absolute must to see for
any person interested in the history of camp. Her victory in London was a
really huge event en Spain, and it served well Franco's regime interests
to keep Spanish youngsters away from their French peers street-fighting
that Spring...

And I think she beated Sir Cliff's 'Congratulations' !


Underwear note: Matching but tasteless (not even
bikini-showing-off-belly-pants, as expert Jessica recommends)

Arantxa



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From honey at xxx.net  Thu Jan 14 15:38:39 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:38:39 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Sweary Mary
Message-ID: <Pine.GS4.4.02.9901141537090.18005-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


Hi I'm new to this mailing list, this is my first post, and I hope I
don't make a fool of myself.  I'm Agnes, I work on a sheep farm and
my favourite hobbies are joinery, eating yoghurt and humming.

Oh I can't do this, hello everyone, I hope you don't mind me sticking
my head in.  I'm still around, honestly, but very much part of the
wallpaper just now (think of me as a nice "flock"), and pretty
unresponsive unless you poke me very hard with a stick, due to
continuing illness, which really has gone on too long now, don't you
think?  But I'm doing list mummy things in the background, albeit
slowly, so don't think you're all orphans, and I'll bring home some
iced buns for tea, I promise.  Please only mail me administration
type requests if you've been through all the suggestions on the WWW
site and are desperate and crying your eyes out.  All of you who have
mailed me other nicer things, gosh, please don't think I'm an
ungrateful tart if I haven't replied yet, and please don't give up on
me, as I never chuck out an email that needs a reply, even if we
might all be living in space by the time you get one.

You all seemed to have rallied round, post-Christmas, and made this
place a much warmer, cosy and stimulating place to be.  Why is this,
were you all playing a trick on me?  I could of course be wrong as
I've only read a small number of the emails so far, but some seem to
be jolly fine to me.  Your mummy's very pleased, please keep it up to
stop this list going under.  And here's something dull to set off the
year in customary fashion.


-- Posting --

I've been playing with restricting the list to only accepting posts
from subscribed users, and the results show it's well worthwhile
doing, so I'm going to implement it.  Although it might be annoying
to a few, I hope it'll really help increase the quality of stuff we
all have to plough through, as only people committed to reading 30
posts a day will be able to send something back, so they'll
understand the pain of reading something inconsequential or
knee-jerky.  I know there might be some who just read the list from
the WWW archive, but the consequences of allowing people who
occasionally read a couple of messages a week to post is too much.
It's you loyal ones who are prepared to feel the weight of all the
mails or digests in your mailboxes, that I want fragrant, expressive
posts from.

There will of course be exceptions to this, people who read their
mail from one account and post from another (say a home account), and
I won't leave you high and dry - if you're WELL known to me, and have
posted lots of [worthwhile, funny, meaningful :) ] posts to the list
in the past, or you're Mrs Murdoch, then I'll make an exception if
you mail me privately, and I'll allow posting from a non-subscribed
account, but I'm afraid I can't do this if you're someone I don't
know who's reading this on the WWW or whatever.  Anyone who isn't on
the list and tries to send something will get a message back
explaining what to do.  I've added some people to the allowed list
already so don't be surprised if your mails get through OK - if you
don't hear anything, it's fine.

Just to emphasise, if you're subscribed to the main list or digest,
you won't notice any of this, and life will continue as normal, bar a
slight decrease in piffle, hopefully.


-- Underwear --

I quite like the word "panties", partly because it rhymes with
"Aunties" and "sea-shanties".  In fact, New Year Sinister competition
no. 1 is to send me a limerick with B&S content, which features these
three words rhyming on lines 1, 2 and 5.

Competition no. 2 is the one I forgot to send in over Christmas,
because I had my head under a quilt: write a short Christmas carol,
with B&S content, featuring the rhymes "Mary" and "hairy" and "Jesus"
and "cheeses".

If for some bizarre reason I get any entries, I will post the results
back to the list.  Linda will provide the prizes.  If I don't get any
entries I will remain embarrassed and silent, and try and pretend I
never suggested it.

(By the way, Charlotte/John, what happened to the remaining entries
to your poem competition, they were going to go on the WWW weren't
they?  If that plan's off, I'm happy to put them on the Sinister site
if you send me them.)


-- Swearing --

I've been most amused in recent months by a swear word detector which
seems to be in operation at Yale College, somewhere in Wales.
Someone from there is subscribed to the list (hi) and probably
doesn't know that she/he isn't receiving a small percentage of mails
to the list because they're deemed to have rude words in them, and so
get bounced back to me.  What's fun is trying to see what it counts
as a rude word in the returned mail, and wondering what it's like to
be the Yale College Rude Word Collector (hereafter known as the
YCRWC), who must have to actually type in all these obscene words in
the first place, just so that they can keep them out the doors.  Some
of these words were very respectable 100 years ago, and other words
like "pomegranate" which we unsuspectingly use happily today in
conversation with our grandmothers, will be obscene in 2055, as I
know from my time travel experiments.  You must really have to be
ahead of the game in terms of obscenity to be the YCRWC.

What I was wondering is: does anyone know any rude Welsh words?
Could they try them out please and see if the YCRWC is up on them?
I'd quite like that, but I've always had a small imagination.

miss honey xxx


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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 14 15:59:20 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:59:20 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian
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Hey, I know we're supposed to wait awhile before coming "online" but I want
to comment on the great news that we've been nominated at the Brits: OK so I
think the prize will probably be awarded to someone more mainstream (I can't
remember who's been nominated, I don't have a list with me at the moment)
but it's brilliant because having heard "Tigermilk" just before Christmas -
thanks heaps, James E. - the judges must have impeccable taste. It's not
exactly too bourgeois, look at it as a triumph for the unbourgeois. And if
you want more of the same stuff, check out "Rising for the Moon" by Fairport
Convention - especially track 8, "Dawn" - because Sandy Denny was definitely
the Belle of her day. (Having heard "Lazy Line Painter Jane", I know what
I'm talking about. OK so there may be no songs sung by a female voice, and I
can't remember whether LLPJ is or not, but even so I think her voice has the
same mysterious qualities as whoever does sing on B&S records.)

Also a question (unrelated to B&S but I figured someone might know...):

Does anyone know where I can get my hands on either Steve Bell's "The Big
If.." (published in 1995) or some "Fritz the Cat" stuff by Robert Crumb?
They're both cartoonists/comic book artists and this would really make my
day.

Louise Stanley, l.stanley at lse.ac.uk
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From gary.parkinson at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 14 15:57:54 1999
From: gary.parkinson at xxx.uk (Gary Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:57:54 GMT
Subject: Sinister: sinister virgin
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19981228010639.19bf38da@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>


Many greets

I've known some sinister virgins in my time.

I know I'm supposed to wait for like a year or something before I start
mailing to youse kids, but I couldn't wait. Sorry.

Firstermost: snow. It's beauty, ain't it? Unfortunately, it never bloody
happens here (Manchester). Here, it just rains. Outside today it's
glistening like an open sore, or like a gem of sputum. Nice enough, in its
own way.

Secondlymost: undies. This is the best list ever without question. I could
never talk about pants on any of my other lists. Personally, I go for the
all-encompassing Y-front, pulled right up to the chin if necessary. Socks,
anyone? Does anybody know where to get those wierd garter things favoured by
stars of '60s farces that hold your socks up?

Firdly: literature. Douglas Coupland kind of gives me the horn. 'Girlfriend
in a Coma' made me cry in the park. When I saw him in our local bookshop,
the kid in front of me in the queue gave him a half-eaten bag of Skittles
and he was joyful as a pup and said they were like jewels. What a luv.
Should you want scary bad stuff to read however, then I heartily and lungily
recommend Dennis Cooper. Grisly and poetic all at the same time, beautiful
in the way that a bruise can be.

Fourthally: The Incredible String Band! The Incredible String Band! The
Incredible String Band! Oh mum, I feel I've come home! Have you any idea how
long I've been plaguing my friends with Stringband nonsense, to rapturous
blank stares or slightly hostile punches in the face. And now, somebody (who
was that? So many e-mails, so little attention span) mentions the glorious
hippies. Whoever it was, may the long-time sun shine on you, all love
surround you, and the pure light within you guide your way home.

More later, I'm sure. I have to go now, I've knick-knacks to buff.

Cheer, Gazzoid.

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From evanbear at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 16:16:55 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:16:55 -0500
Subject: Sinister: undies but not mine
Message-ID: <369E186B.BFF541B7@javanet.com>


i wont speak about my underwear since ive been told chicks hate tighty
whiteys and add a big belly to the equation and it gets real icky, oh
wait...i just mentioned them didnt i? well im wearing long undies now so
forget what i said thats some other guy

good timing with this thread cause for those in US or anywhere that gets
the TV network A&E they're having a special on underwear throughout time
on Sunday, sounds like fun to me
-----Ev
np-Mojave 3-Out Of Tune (wowie wow wow)

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I was happy when I put my new record on
But I was sad as I listened to it all alone
---"Feeling Fine" by Class

my home page:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/dixiecluck

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From rap101 at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 14 16:20:15 1999
From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:20:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: semi-naked in somebody else's room
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dear list,

glad to see that we're all keeping up this exalted topic. i am absolutely
convinced that the women of the world can usefully be
divided into the two categories mentioned: those who wear matching undies
and those who don't. i have one, un, uno set of matching bra and pants,
and they're from BHS so they don't exactly make me
"sorted woman of the world with an understanding of 
silk and underwires whose chest of drawers/washing routine would
put mussolini to shame and who will not be laughed at if she gets run
over". speaking of which, i really don't understand how it could be
important what your underwear looked like if you were in a road accident -
i'd like to think that our medical professionals would be looking at your
injuries rather than your skid marks...

i think on the whole i prefer the sort of women who don't always match,
and who on occasion dye all their knickers grey (like me), although no
disrepect to the listees who have so beautifully described their
floral/lacy/silky/push-up combos. i'm really quite jealous.

damn, i seem to have expended all my mental energies on pants. sorry.

and beth, i'd love to be your friend, as long as my mummy and your mummy
say it's okay. write and tell me about your pants. god, that sounded
disgusting and pervy - didn't mean it like that. lesley jo has clearly
traumatised and corrupted me with her version of "we rule the school". by
the way lj, i had been considering the very same questions about that
song as you, and am also confused. 

luv archel
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From travelling_light at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 16:25:31 1999
From: travelling_light at xxx.com (Kin Woo)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:25:31 PST
Subject: Sinister: Adieu adieu to you and you and you!:)
Message-ID: <19990114162532.20804.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello my dear sweet listees�And now I, the writer of many notoriously 
off-the-subject postings (Tanya Donelly, One Dove, Mercury Rev etc!) 
must go offline for a month or so to journey to the spiritual home of 
B&S (sort of) that is London. YAY! Wish me luck listees and lots of fun. 
Hope the weather won't be too punishing too. And thanks to those extra 
cool people who have enlightened me on the best record shops etc to go 
to. All power to you! 
If Philippe whom 
I've-tapes-to-months-ago-and-has-now-gone-to-Salt-Lake-City contacts the 
list, please do tell him of my whereabouts and remind him of his 
obligation!:)
And to keep in the tradition of my non B&S content postings, I must urge 
all UK listees of this wonderful list to go and watch this new series 
that's just hit your screens. It's called "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and 
no, no don't be put off by the title or your recollections of the 
misfired movie, this series is far, far, FAR superior to it, and also 
coincidentally most TV shows today. I honestly think it as one of the 
best TV shows to have come out since "Twin Peaks" (my all-time 
favourite), yep THAT good:) Think "My So Called Life" mixed with 
"Scream" and the "X-files" and how can you fail? It's not kitschy at 
all, but effectively blends genuinely suspenseful horror, comedy and 
heart breaking drama into first rate entertainment. The first few 
episodes are pretty good but it definitely gets MUCH better further 
along the series.Over here in Australia, it's series two and I can tell 
you it's a ripper (no pun intended). Plus it also helps that the star is 
one Sarah Michelle Gellar who is one of my favourite actresses (along 
with Christina Ricci)- she's absolutely terrific in her angst-filled 
role. Give the girl an Emmy I say!
Well that's all. Keep the peace Sinisterines and the B&S faith. And 
let's all vote B&S to win that Best Newcomer Award!!!:) How excellent 
would that be? (and weird too).
Seeya in a month or so
Kin Woo




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From hamibe02 at xxx.edu  Thu Jan 14 16:37:20 1999
From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E. Hamilton)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:37:20 -0500
Subject: Sinister: My sadness
Message-ID: <001901be3fdc$286957e0$ee941198@wfu.edu>


If there's a certain quota of music that uplifts one, makes one happy, and
joyful, and elated, then there is an equal half that throws one into
despair, sadness and longing.  Right now, our friends B&S are throwing me
for a nasty spin.

Why?  It's that painful thing known as song association.  I just spent my
xmas break laughing, playing, and dreaming, and now, i'm at school, and I'm
depressed, and I miss my friends.  All last month we'd be driving around,
singing along to B&S, with the windows down, and the wind was everywhere.  I
can't imagine how bright the sun was those days, for it might have blinded
me instantly if I had glanced into the yellow core.

Now, as I lay in my room, and listen to Slow Graffitti, I become a prisoner
of my own sadness.  It's all I think about--how it used to be, and how I
wish it was again.  The fault doesn't lie with B&S, but rather, with me.  My
own legion of sadness comes from this association with B&S--happiness.  I
think that's why they make music in the first place.

Has anyone wanted to tell someone honestly how much they mean to you?  But
you didn't for the reason it might sound silly, or sad, or strange?
Sometimes I want to tell everyone that I miss them so much that it prevents
me from walking, and chewing.  Yet, I resist, for distance is often times
the most effective way of persuasion.

I've got more, but I'll save it.

Love to you all,
blake
~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
I'm sorry like atari...

"We try harder and harder, tryin' to get our
way,  but it's a long, long wait until Judgement
Day.  So settle your affairs and take your
time, for everything in the world is yours
and mine.  Yours and mine."
--Pete Townshend, '68

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From C.B.Stride at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 14 16:52:37 1999
From: C.B.Stride at xxx.uk (Dr C.B.Stride)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:52:37 +0000
Subject: Sinister: UK Indiepop festival - Sheffield 20/2
Message-ID: <241D5CD13BF@woodhead.shef.ac.uk>


(Paul - The following 2 messages will be my only adverts this term, I 
promise...)

Offbeat and Forever Changes present

   POP-A-GO-GO!

An Indiepop Alldayer

20/2/99 @ The Boardwalk, Snig Hill, Sheffield, UK

12 noon to 12 midnight in two rooms

starring...

- Ten Benson
- Marine Research (ex-Heavenly)
- Sportique
- The Yummy Fur
- The Family Way
- Gilded Lil
- Milky Wimpshake
- Velodrome 2000
- The Family Way
- Mika bomb
- Plouf!

Also 
Fanzine Stalls
Records Stalls
DJ's Chris & Gill (Offbeat), Delia (Rough Trade), Club Analog, Adam
Morley 
Beer and food available all day 
Free Programme on entry

Tickets priced £10.00 available now from

Pop-a-go-go!
Forever Changes Records
553 Eccleshall Rd
Sheffield
S11 8PR

Make cheques payable to 'Chris Mabbs'


For further info' on bands, travel, accomodation etc,
 check out the festival web page on the Offbeat web site now:

http://www.shef.ac.uk/~offbeat/noframes/festival.htm

or

http://www.shef.ac.uk/~offbeat/frames/festfra.htm


Chris Stride 16/1/99
C.B.Stride at Sheffield.ac.uk

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From C.B.Stride at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 14 16:54:59 1999
From: C.B.Stride at xxx.uk (Dr C.B.Stride)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:54:59 +0000
Subject: Sinister: UK listees; Dance to indiepop tunes at Offbeat
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Offbeat is back this Friday (29/1) and its our 2nd birthday - to
celebrate we've got a cake, balloons, stickers etc plus the usual
indiepop undeground classics... So if you are anywhere near Sheffield,
UK, then pop along 


           OFFBEAT -  a real indiepop night.......

       with late bar, free lollipops and request sheets

       @ The Raynor Lounge, Sheffield University Students' Union
       (non-students most welcome)

       9pm to 1am, £2.50 on the door...

   FRIDAY 29th JANUARY 1999 (2nd Birthday Party)
   FRIDAY 19th FEBRUARY 1999
   FRIDAY 12th MARCH 1999

       Playing......Classic Indie, Punk POP 1977-1997 and C86/C96/new
       underground of indiepop.....

       HELEN LOVE-HEAVENLY-BELLE AND SEBASTIAN-DELGADOS
       HEFNER-YUMMY FUR-VELOCETTE-TEN BENSON-JUNE BRIDES
       DWEEB-CHAMELEONS-PASTELS-R.E.M.-SMITHS-PAVEMENT-
       FALL- BLUR-JAM-HALF MAN HALF BISCUIT-TALULAH GOSH-
       SUPER FURRY ANIMALS-ELASTICA-CURVE-URUSEI YATSURA-
       BOGSHED-TIGER-SNUFF-DEAD KENNEDYS-PWEI-CARTER USM-
       DISCO PISTOL- COMET GAIN -VELODROME 2000-ANORAK GIRL   
       STEREOLAB-CHINA DRUM-SPARKLEHORSE- BUZZCOCKS-BIS-
       WEDDING PRESENT-ASH-SONIC YOUTH-BODINES-PIXIES-CUD
       PRIMAL SCREAM (early)-GENE-SHOP ASSISTANTS-FIELD MICE
       CHILLS-PETER AND THE TEST TUBE BABIES-BLUEBOY-SCARFO.
         plus many more in the same vein......

       for more details/to join the Offbeat mailing list
           email C.B.Stride at Sheffield.ac.uk

www.shef.ac.uk/~offbeat/
C.B.Stride at Sheffield.ac.uk

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From bobbins2000 at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 17:09:17 1999
From: bobbins2000 at xxx.com (Beth Tilston)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:09:17 PST
Subject: Sinister: Feeling supported!
Message-ID: <19990114170918.12705.qmail@hotmail.com>


Bonjour my pretties,

 Still going on about underwear then I see.  Thanks to jessica for 
suggesting that I get a push up bra.  I have actually got one and oh 
boy, is it marvellous. I even have a cool story about it!. I was at my 
friends house for a sleep over (a grown up one - there was snogging and 
everything) and I couldn't find my bra.  Then one poor unsuspecting boy 
found it in his sleeping bag.  Poor lad, no one has let him forget it 
and I'm sure there was a perfectley innocent reason for it being there.
 my guitar playing is coming on.  Last night i learnt how to play D and 
C, but I will definately try G.  I haven't had to buy strings for it 
yet, but I am sure that I will piss myself laughing when I have to ask 
for a G string (if such a thing exists).  Thankyou Lee for taking me 
under your wing.  I am looking forward to being able to play 'smelly 
cat'.  Soon everyone will bow down to the majesty of my guitar skills.  
Actually i'm so crap i can't even tune it.  I had to lure the boy who 
lives downstairs up to my room to come and tune it.  He has a cute nose 
so I don't mind.
 On the subject of shoes, I think that big furry eskimo boots are the 
best but knee high leather ones come a close second 'cos then you can 
wear a skirt and a leather jacket and you will look like a beat poet.
 Anyway I've done nothing but talk about myself, so how ARE you lot?  
keeping well I hope.  Wear big coats to keep out the cold, that is my 
advice.

           bye love beth .t.XXXXXX:)

P.S I have found a book in WH Smiths about a girl who was born under a 
rainbow so she was supposed to be blessed, but instead she was just 
really, really tall.  It sounded enchanting but I didn't have enough 
money to  buy it and I am to nervous to steal so I will have to search 
for it, I will keep you updated!
                       I'm really going this time

                              XXXXXXXXXXXX

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From radioheadsuck at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 17:27:39 1999
From: radioheadsuck at xxx.com (you me)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:27:39 PST
Subject: Sinister: obsessives
Message-ID: <19990114172740.6905.qmail@hotmail.com>



  Hi  ,i'm yet another first time mailer to the list.

   i know i not gonna influence yous at all on this but i'll give it a 
try nonetheless. i'm mailing about the brits of course(what else?) and i 
think we should give b&s the oppertunity to snub this award , or 
even accept it in a kind of irreverant way.
  we should not be deciding for them what they should do.
 
remember ,
    "it only happens once a year ,
      it only happens once a lifetime,
      make the most of it                   "

some of you have already decided that we can't win this ,but for 
 'newcomers' 
 we have a massive fan base,
which does usually help when an award is decided by external voting
 we are afterall the kind of obsessives that decide these things

some questions  though,
 who else has been nominated?
 and why have b&s been nominated after so long?
 is this an attempt to gain credablity again by the brits?

we'll probably all be watching it anyway ,so shouldnt we at least insure 
something interesting happens?

 sorry if i'm completely wrong on this,
   seamus.
   
    

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From LZYPAINTER at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 15:38:24 1999
From: LZYPAINTER at xxx.com (LZYPAINTER at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:38:24 EST
Subject: Sinister: hmmmm....
Message-ID: <6de4494f.369e0f70@aol.com>


hello,

just thought i would say that i am from the states, sarah was wondering if
anyone was? 
i don't say much on here, but, i do like to read what others say.
more of an observer i guess.

the shyest girl,
danielle
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From csomeone at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 18:12:40 1999
From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:12:40 PST
Subject: No subject
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1. panties.  I love this thread.  I don't remember the last thread that 
so excited me. Currently really frightening pair with green flowers, but 
they are of the bikini variety, as that is the prettiest cut. And most 
comfortable too.  I used to wear those Marky Mark thingies but have 
outgrown that desire.  Terribly comfortable. I'm currently trying to 
weed all of my haggard looking undies out of the drawer but have the 
hardest time.... I'm always sort of wandering through and finding some 
pair I didn't know I had ... which is sort of scary really ... hmm, 
perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned that ...Are there any boys out there 
that favor silk bikini style briefs? Just curious ... I once had a 
friend that wore such things, and has a bit of a fetish...  I also have 
another friend who wears her bras to bed, and would probably wear them 
in the shower if it were possible. I think marilyn Monroe did the same 
thing. I suppose such methods are for those who require no miracle, or 
wonder. I, on the other hand, don't like to wear bras, whenever 
possible, and only wear them out of shame and social pressure.

2. the incredible string band. I am now so curious, what they sound 
likke, any band that has a song that includes ducks in a  pond "The 
Foxes!"--smothers brothers)makes my ears perk up a bit.
3. By the way, does anyone out there listen to the Rain parade?  They 
are constantly in my cd player and they taste good too. I guess they're 
good winter music for people who live in non-snowy places.
4. Shoes.  I just bought a pair of black knee-high boots. They make me 
feel like cat woman, or super girl. I wear them with miniskirts and my 
new love interest can't stop looking at them, or the little bit between 
the boot and the hem. hehe. 
5. I am in lalalalove. Or at least infatuated. you are now allowed to 
make fun of me, because now i definitely feel a fool.  This one, like 
the good Mark Casarotto, would like to own a pair of spats as well.  And 
he looks like jesus.  How is it all my boyfirends look like Jesus? Jesus 
certainly isn't my type. Ooh, and I've made him like the Lucksmiths, not 
a hard task .. I simply left the tape in his car and two days later 
found him humming away to Jennifer Jason Leigh. (I was running and she 
was chasing me ...)
6.  Thank you for the Noam Chomsky, et. al. piece.  I sent it to as many 
friends as possible.  I'm currently reading Manufacturing Consent, about 
the political economy of the mass media, and it's definitely worth a 
glance.  Also reading Love and Garbage by Ivan Klima, who appears to be 
very wise and sort of soft spoken.

okay, I'm done.

Love,
Cynthia

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From agmuwv.044 at xxx.it  Thu Jan 14 18:33:01 1999
From: agmuwv.044 at xxx.it (Marco Braca)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:33:01 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Reflections
Message-ID: <369E385D.58F904@tellnet.pesaro.ps.it>


Evening Sinisters ,
yesterday was my birtday ( 25) and today i would to do some reflections.

1/4 century and i feel like an infant ready to take in what the world is
saying .
Too much news , too much things to know ,too.............
For example :  do you know that when a (M) frog croak with low tonality
a lot of (F) frogs are ready to do sex with him?
Too............

My girlfriend gave me an old pocket-watch ( 1930 ) , wonderful present .

Thank you Ale!!!

In 1998 i went with Ale in Croazia ( Ex-Yugoslavia) and we passed
Spalato with our moto.  Spalato in Croato spells SPLIT , so this is my
conclusion :
banana split was made in Yugoslavia!!!

B&S content   :    i hope that "the acid house" will arrive in Italy ,
coz i want to listen slow graffiti watching film.

cheers,
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From winboog at xxx.net  Thu Jan 14 19:09:57 1999
From: winboog at xxx.net (Robert Morris)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:09:57 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Skivvie check
Message-ID: <199901141915.OAA00236@home.gis.net>


Hey all,

   Here in Boston it's snowing to beat the band right now, and I've just
come back from Filene's Basement where I picked up four pairs of new boxer
shorts in an array of dashing stripes in green and blue. Today I am wearing
big flannel boxers that are black with white dots. Very comfy, although no
matching t-shirt sadly.

    I spend a whole lot of time here in my house, rarely venturing out into
the world. I don't know why that is, because I have the best time out in
the streets just dancing and singing and smiling and laughing at just about
everything. Maybe I should get out more, or maybe all this aberrant
behavior in the streets is why I hould stay in seclusion.  I am always
reminded of Death of a Salesman when Willy tells Biff not to whistle in
elevators and whatnot. I am, tragically, an incorrigible elevator whistler,
and a train hummer, and a street singer. Oh well.... I'm doomed. Enjoy the
weather wherever you are.

          
                   Robert Morris
                   winboog at gis.net

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From jeanette at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 13:56:40 1999
From: jeanette at xxx.com (Jeanette)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:56:40 +0000
Subject: Sinister: undies r us
Message-ID: <369DF77C.2B03@ktc.com>


Do you think retailers across the world will see a rise in underwear
sales this week, as the entire Sinister mailing list runs out to buy the
aformentioned unmentionables?
Hmmmm... maybe someone should designate one day as B&S Panty Day. Then
we could all go on one huge, world-wide shopping spree!

jeanette

Question for the Panty Police: I'm wearing a pink satin wonder bra with
pink lace panties. Is that okay? Or should both be lace?
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From Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at  Thu Jan 14 20:07:47 1999
From: Vanessa.Siegl at xxx.at (Vanessa R. Siegl)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:07:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: britawards.the songcontest and underwear ..
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Gosh yeah .. Guildo Horn ... I agree with everyone saying he was 
funny and he only didn't win cos some Germans who went abroad with 
their mobilephones got stuck somewhere and therefor weren't able to 
vote ...
Sadly his song that wasn't very good in the first place got 
overplayed (and I don't listen to hitradio a lot) so .....


Has anyone else seen the mention of the Belle and Sebastian tabloud 
article in the most recent issue of Select???
I am very sorry if that has been mentioned already I was skipping 
through a couple of the digests ...

Now would I like Belle and Sebastian to win the Brit Awards ,,,  
hmmmm seeing what kind of people normally do win am I mistaken if I 
say it would be more honorable if they didn't .... Of course I wish 
all the best to them though ....

Another question ..what is the matter with the indiepoplist ... I 
joined and thought I had succeeded but never got any mail ..and now I 
don't get any replies to my efforts ....


Underwear .... I sometimes don't wear any. I sometimes claim not to 
wear any to escape having to drop my jeans if I lose playing pool 
....

I'll go back to lurking now .... or whatever. Byebye.



love vanxxx
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Thu Jan 14 22:14:33 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:14:33 -0800
Subject: Sinister: voyeur's paradise!
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nother day, another annoying post! lucky you's.
Hello to all the new listees, big hugs, i wont' name you all but you were
very polite and i just had to say something nice.  it's hard being the new
kid in class.  boo-hoo!  so lonely.
Sorry if i traumatized anyone with that corrupted version of we rule the
skool.  you can all punish me if you will, for  being  naughty.  i dont'
usually do things like that, but.....And i'm  glad to know someone else was
as confused by the song as I have been.  Anyone have any ideas??
I think we all feel a little better nwo that we've had a nice kiss and a
gold star from mummy, wouldn't you agree?
THE ANNOYING BIT!
i had a b/s related dream last night. bear with me.  I was staying at where
my gramma and  grampa used to live, in their house which has a lot of stairs
by the way.  and someone called me saying belle and seb were staying there.
I think it was Jess.  but Stuart M had decided to stay home in his warm bed
rather than  trek to the cold midwest for whatever silly  reason. i think
they talked about being in chicago at one point.  but they had a big bus in
the  backyard, it looked like a Barbie camper cos it was all pink and blue
and had folding-out closets, and chairs in it and stuff, and i thought itw
as really spiffy.  I think stuart david was there but i didnt' really see
them often cos i was embarrassed and i pretended to be involved in watching
mst3k or playing with my drawings in folders.  once i was on the stairs
mussing with some papers, when  Isobel came up the dining room way doing
something, she didn't konw i was up on the stairs and i just  peeked at her
and she adjusted her clothing, it was scarily close to  being naughty, but
not close enough.  I  went back downstairs and into the living  room as she
passed by but i acted like i didnt' ntoice cos i was too afraid to talk to
her. her hair was like in the video and she wore something in spring  green.
then they all got on the bus and were preparing to leave.  i looked out the
window and saw they were playing instruments inside the bus, there was
akeyboard all set up in  it and isobel was pounding away on it, and chris or
someone was playing  with  sound equipment.  I had a thing that i was going
to mail to isobel but i decided i would   give it to her before they left,
so i ran to get it and wrap it up in  bubble wrap, but by the tiem i got out
there the bus was pulling  away, and it was cold outside, so i just pressed
my nose against the glass like a puppy and watched it drive off.
(boo-hhoo!!)  i know you're all crying right now, i forgot to  bring
tissues.  So now you see, even in my dreams i am a creepy nerd.  ugh!

You;re all lucky because i'm wearing good underwear today.  btw i dont' like
the word panties.  but i don't like the word bra   either, i prefer the
entire name.  I'm obsessed with lingerie so this is a good thread for me.
if i were rich i  would buy out victorias secret and all those places, but
they're too damn expensive for me  now.  I also like old nightgowns and
garter belts and things.  right   now my underwear are bikini  type black
leopard print  with little  straps on   the  sides and  the upper underwear
is black lace underwire demi i guess that's the kind that is supposed to
push  up or something, or you wear them if you have a low neckline, which i
dont' , i have a big sweater on cos it's flippin freezing outside.  but i
still feel feminine  on the inside!!! awwww.    oh and my underwear have
never matched and i'll be shocked if they ever do.   Last night i wore a
big, lacy gramma nightgown to  sleep in, it's long and buttons all the way
up and has a big ribbon on it.  very  very sexy!
Oh, and when I  was spying on isobel in my dream, she didn't have any
underwear on top.  curiously enough.  But even in my dreams, I have a censor
working overtime, you'll be glad to know.  *a million brows are wiped*
Sneaky Jo


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No bachelor has ever experienced such desolate loneliness as does the
spinster; for the bachelor is a man, and the older spinster but a male-like
woman.
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From bobbins2000 at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 20:54:22 1999
From: bobbins2000 at xxx.com (Beth Tilston)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:54:22 PST
Subject: Sinister:useful tip
Message-ID: <19990114205422.3362.qmail@hotmail.com>


Just a quick tip...

Cynthia Someone wrote:

 "I had another friend who wore her bras to bed"

I have it on good authority that you should do this as it cuts down on 
sagging in later life!

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From alix.campbell at xxx.net  Thu Jan 14 20:45:48 1999
From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:45:48 -0000
Subject: Sinister: falling softly, softly falling....
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.....but rain not snow. and i've probably misquoted that anyway. i'd like to
appeal to the angels of precipitation, to stop all this rain. i'm getting
pretty tired of it. i shall have to write to god, and then all those naughty
angels will be in trouble. yeah, that'll teach them to play tricks on us.
all this rain, they must be taking the piss. i'm sure i'm due some snow. and
ice. and sleet. and maybe a decent power cut, too. with candles, and people
panicking. that'll do me.

thankyou charlotte h for the curate's egg. i always thought it was something
much harder to understand. perhaps i am cleverer now than a year ago..

now, to the real business. undergarments...cynthia s mentioned the supreme
Marilyn Monroe, and as i am the expert concerning this lovely lady, i can
confirm that she did indeed wear her bra in bed. i'm happy to confirm any
other things about the lovely Ms. M too. and if i don't know, i'll make it
up and you won't even know. bonus, or what?
longjohns: when in a person's life do they think 'now is the time to start
wearing longjohns'? because i can't imagine anyone wanting to, so how does
it happen? i might be wrong though, it may only be me who finds the prospect
of them wholly unattractive.

i don't know any welsh swear words, i feel that i have failed
somehow...incidentally, is anyone from cardiff university here?

mao tse-dung kicks ass

alix.x

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It's silent in the boardroom as I contemplate this, thinking it through
before asking, finally,
"What's 'broiled,' Luis?"
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From evanbear at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 21:59:11 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:59:11 -0500
Subject: Sinister: falling softly, softly falling....
References: <012101be3fff$0c897d20$ba78a8c2@big-comp>
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nobody sees me in my underwear besides my dog so i dont have a problem
wearing them, and i think they prolly look better on me than my tighty
whiteys, i dont have boxers just because i have never gotten around to
buying any
the only people that have seen me in my underwear in the past year or so
were coworkers who i didnt like and who jut looked away
anyway rambly ramble
the point in my life when i decide to wear long johns is when its really
cold outside
i actually like them and want to get more (i only have one pair)
man i am just seeeeeeexy
i have to go try out my cd repair kit thingie on my apples in stereo cd
which skips majorly bad
-----Ev
np-Tullycraft-City of Subarus
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But I was sad as I listened to it all alone
---"Feeling Fine" by Class

my home page:
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From laurel.girvan at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 22:01:13 1999
From: laurel.girvan at xxx.com (laurel.girvan at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:01:13 -0500
Subject: Sinister: falling softly, softly falling....
Message-ID: <TFSJHUWB@hholt.com>


wearing bras to bed may promote perky breasts, but there's some evidence that it
can also increase chances of breast cancer.  it seems that bras (particularly
ill-fitting ones) can potentially cut off the flow of lymph fluid that frolics
just under the skin.  this juicy stuff is in fact responsible for carrying lots
of cell waste -- bad, toxic stuff that can be concentrated in the breast tissue
by the pressure of a too-tight bra.  so make sure they fit, women!  and, well,
it's never a bad idea to spend some time without one on.  check it out in
DRESSED TO KILL, by sydney singer.

now that i've either disgusted, frightened or bored most of the list, i'll add
that i hate the word panties, but i'm prone to using it anyway.  however, i'm
always up for a discussion of undergarments, by any name.  


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From alexis at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 14 22:14:45 1999
From: alexis at xxx.uk (Alexis Petridis)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:14:45 +0000
Subject: Sinister: My sadness
Message-ID: <E100v33-0002rB-00@post.mail.demon.net>



Blake wrote:

>Why?  It's that painful thing known as song association.  I just spent my
>xmas break laughing, playing, and dreaming, and now, i'm at school, and I'm
>depressed, and I miss my friends.  All last month we'd be driving around,
>singing along to B&S, with the windows down, and the wind was everywhere.  I
>can't imagine how bright the sun was those days, for it might have blinded
>me instantly if I had glanced into the yellow core.
>
>Now, as I lay in my room, and listen to Slow Graffitti, I become a prisoner
>of my own sadness.  It's all I think about--how it used to be, and how I
>wish it was again.  The fault doesn't lie with B&S, but rather, with me.  My
>own legion of sadness comes from this association with B&S--happiness.  I
>think that's why they make music in the first place.
>

Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you mean, but but but!!!! There's a really
good way of looking at this as well. If listening to Slow Graffitti totally
churns your head at the moment, because you associate it too much with time
passed, that means that song is burned into your head, it's part of your
memories of that time. And, hopefully, in five year's time, you'll listen to
it and be totally transported back to your bright sun shining/car
driving/wind driving xmas break of 1998/9. Which is a lovely thing to
happen. I do it all the time, there's loads of records that are really
heavily associated with certain great eras in my life, and even now, old and
decrepit and revolting as I am, all I need to do is hear, say, 'Strawberry
Wine' by My Bloody Valentine and I'm back there again at THAT PARTY when I
was 17 and we sat in the garden at dusk and we got drunk and I snogged...

Enough. It was just totally magical stuff at the time, you know when you're
17 and the whole fucking world is in technicolour and everything, your
emotions particularly is so fucking VIVID...

 ...and the ability to relive it at will is just... just, you know?

 
 
Then he said:

>Has anyone wanted to tell someone honestly how much they mean to you?  But
>you didn't for the reason it might sound silly, or sad, or strange?

I've just discovered that I should have done exactly that with someone two
years ago. Great. Happy new year. Life pisses in my soup once more.

What's all this about Hefner bloke doing a solo gig next week? Where's the
Poetry Cafe? Is it a private party? Can I come?


Lousie Stanley wrote:
>check out "Rising for the Moon" by Fairport
>Convention - especially track 8, "Dawn"

It's good, yeah? Fairport were my band of the Summer - 'Unhalfbricking'!
'What We Did On Our Holidays'! Leige And Leif! - but I never got any further
than 1970 with them, so I never heard the later stuff Sandy Danny did with
them.You're right, her voice is just beyond belief. I've never heard anybody
sing like that in my life, it's just so totally perfect, totally pure,
clear... I think 'angelic' is the word I'm groping for. And does anyone
around here like John Martyn? 

I don't think Belle And Sebastian are going to win a Brit. Time for RIsing
Damp.

Take care,

Alexis xxxx

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From bellefish at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 22:33:51 1999
From: bellefish at xxx.com (sarah morgenstein)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:33:51 PST
Subject: Sinister: hello quickie
Message-ID: <19990114223352.15574.qmail@hotmail.com>



greetings all, thank you dawn we did get some snow today, only about 3 
inches but i cant complain. gabriella mentioned the smiths and the queen 
is dead is a fine album to listen to on grey days like these. now if 
only i hadnt left it at school... take care, yr pal sarah... 

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From gary at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 14 22:51:29 1999
From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:51:29 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Honey's Test
Message-ID: <000401be4010$6c670da0$0351883e@whelan>


Hello list....

These will be the last words of English in this post, as I'm going to try
out Yale College swear word detector for Honey. Here we go then Ahem.....

Rhoi Dy Fys I Fynnu Dy Din!!!

Nos da

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From assassin at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 14 18:47:14 1999
From: assassin at xxx.uk (Azrael)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:47:14 -0000
Subject: Sinister: SINISTER!  Re the snow
Message-ID: <01be3fee$4d46bb40$328a93c3@PhilipHammond>

Hey Gary, you mentioned it never snows in Manchester!  

Are you reffering to Manchester, the Sunny north of dear old Blighty?

If so - then where were you at 8am on Tuesday morning!  We had it an inch think in central Manchester - although the thing in my hand was thicker!

Azrael
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From TWidmer at xxx.com  Thu Jan 14 23:34:16 1999
From: TWidmer at xxx.com (Tara Widmer)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:34:16 -0800
Subject: Sinister: the 411
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Hallo listees! 
my name is Tara and it's been a long time since I've written anything, so
most of you probably don't recognize me and those who do probably didn't
miss me anyway:-P. but! alas, I have just come back from vacationing in
Britain, and an otherwise ill-advised trip was made more worthwhile cos I
got to attend the one and only Big Bash in Brighton Sinister Meetup!
<crosses arms and grins smugly, feeling the jealousy of non-attendees. Or
something.> 
It doesn't look like anyone's dished the dirt, so here you go~
the result was not unlike a United Colors of Benetton poster, with
representatives from the England, America, Finland, Scotland and, erm...the
U.S...and oh yes,...yet another American showed up...hm. 
Between the 800 of us, can i admit that I'd felt somewhat apprehensive about
going in the first place, afraid of encountering a clique of people who
already knew each other and would laugh at my bad haircut, but those fears
ultimately proved to be even more ridiculous than my hair!  Everyone (ok it
was a small gathering) proved to be absolutely lovely... poo to you if you
didn't go! A goodlooking, interesting, friendly bunch who can manage to
drink copious amounts of alcohol and still walk straight!!!! (this excludes
myself, of course, the boring lardass who was out cold after one bacardi
breezer.)  It was a pleasure. Our group, convening in a pub, even attracted
a new member - one "Wendy from Liverpool", the Drunkest Woman Ever, who did
us the pleasure (?) of singing many a Catatonia tune. 
Anyway, a big shout out to everyone I met, I owe you all about 4 rounds of
drinks which I fully intend to stick to next time I visit Brighton - which
in itself was a treat to see, a lovely city, and I can't wait to go back.
Special props to Jamie for organizing the whole to-do, I crown thee Stud of
the month for your efforts! and apologize that I didn't say a proper goodbye
as i meant to... hehe, when fatboy slim calls, one must dance... :-)

In related news, whilst in England I stayed in a dispicable Youth hostel in
Holland Park for the first couple days, until the Dec. 28th or so. My last
night there, I was reclining in the lounge and an indie-type guy walked by
clutching a few Cds. Lo and behold, they were everso cleverly arranged in
his grasp so that one could see even from a couch across the room that he
was listening to "Modern Rock Song EP" by you know who. There's me, sat
wearing a Study at Stow t-shirt under my sweatshirt and on the verge of
saying something, but afraid my just-out-of-the-shower, disheveled,
unibomber-a-like appearance would frighten away said hipster...(excuses,
excuses) *sigh*...anyway, was that anybody on the list?? I half expected to
see you at the Brighton meet...

And the New Order AllyPally show, aka A Total Waste of $84, was where i met
a boy who decided to hold me responsible for everything America has ever
done wrong.  Unable to convincingly pull off the "No, I'm actually Canadian"
spiel, this young lad concluded his anti-American tirade with, "and they
don't even appreciate good music! i mean, have you even *heard* of like,
Belle and Sebastian?" well you can see where this lead... 20 minutes later
and it was all happiness and love, our common love of Glasgow's finest
managing to bridge the international/socioeconomic/political differences
separating us thus far...ahhhh...

So that's the story i'm sticking to! Happy new year etc.

tata,
tara
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From gary.parkinson at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 15 00:32:19 1999
From: gary.parkinson at xxx.uk (Gary Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:32:19 GMT
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19981228050946.267730c2@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>


Blimey don't you kids never sleep?

Hello. This is only my second mailing to this here listy, but already I feel
welcomed into the bosom of something charming and slightly scary. Good work.

Azrael: I'm a Whalley Ranger, me'dear. And oh no, you caught me out. Where
was I at 8am any day? In bed where I belong, naturally. Saw some snow
though; went to my mum's to be fed and she lives in the middle of nowhere
near Stoke (about as near to nowhere as it's humanly possible to get,
apparently), and there was drifts and everything.

Pardon if, blah blah, previous topics, blah blah, but is anyone familiar,
and hencewise in love with, Nick Drake? 'Northern Sky' makes my very hair
sing. And 'Black Eyed Dog' makes your bones want to get out of your body.
Beauty, tragedy, magic, and his sister was in UFO (the telly series, not the
ROCK band) in a purple wig. Can't say fairer than that.

I think longjohns can be perrty sexy meself, especially the kind with a bum
flap. I used to wear a pair as proper trousers and I was never short of
offers, or threats either.

Cheery cheer all,

Gazzoid.

On MY stereo now: Dr Baker by the Beta Band.

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From dkemp at xxx.net  Fri Jan 15 00:42:27 1999
From: dkemp at xxx.net (The Kemps)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:42:27 -0500
Subject: Sinister: RE: useful tip
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<lurk mode off>
beth wrote:
>>Cynthia Someone wrote:
>>
>> "I had another friend who wore her bras to bed"
>>
>>I have it on good authority that you should do this as it cuts down on 
>>sagging in later life!
>>

i've also heard that this isn't good for you tho cuz it can cause breast
cancer.  whatever fluids are in your breasts can get clogged up in the
vessels and form cysts and other nasty things.  

and um..this isn't my first post, i've been lurking since September tho so
it probably seems like it. :)

anyhoo..just wanted to pass that little titbit on...ooh..pun not intended. ;)

<lurk mode on>
heatha :)
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From dkemp at xxx.net  Fri Jan 15 00:45:52 1999
From: dkemp at xxx.net (The Kemps)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:45:52 -0500
Subject: Sinister: nobody expects the spanish inquisition!
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oh i'm sorry!  someone already posted about the breast cancer thing...i
hadn't sifted thru all of my mails and therefore probably broke a cardinal
rule of "replying to mailing lists".  i'd forgotten to add my 2 cents to
the underwear debate anyway...i never never match.  i wear coloured hanes
her way undies..hi-cut briefs..i guess that's kinda bikini...and some sort
of satiny type bra.  

i feel violated now that you all know that. :P  oh the horror!

heatha :)
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From gary.parkinson at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 15 00:58:57 1999
From: gary.parkinson at xxx.uk (Gary Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:58:57 GMT
Subject: Sinister: String, crisp, camping, amoebas, dolly, cakes, etc
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19981228053626.26773dd6@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>


Hey up again.

Cynthia Someone says she be curious about the Incredible String Band.
Wahay! Cynthia - they sound like crisp packets in a warm breeze, and the
sound of field mice eating bicuits, and poppies opening up, and a VW
Microbus with veggie burgers frying on a camping stove, and owls, and
children scratching their itchy jumpers, and fizzy pop on grass; all this
and more. Get 'The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter' now. Listen to 'A Very
Cellular Song' to hear Licorice (I think) say 'Amoebas are very small.' Joy
aplenty.

Alix: rain is only god playing with his Tiny Tears dolly. Let him have
_some_ fun wontcha? The rest of the time he's making sure there are always
cakes in the shops and that the lickle raggety children know enough new
swear words to keep them happy.

Puckered lips,

Gazzoid.

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From promqueen at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 01:48:58 1999
From: promqueen at xxx.com (promqueen at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 99 01:48:58 +0000
Subject: Sinister: ... and freedom is wasted on me...
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list snippet---->

<<>Has anyone wanted to tell someone honestly how much they mean to you?  But
>you didn't for the reason it might sound silly, or sad, or strange?
I've just discovered that I should have done exactly that with someone two
years ago. Great. Happy new year. Life pisses in my soup once more.>>

yes yes yes!!!  this last line here is the line that has made my whole day an ecstatic one.  thank god.  i was begining to feel as if this day was just another every day day. (feeling somewhat gertrude steinish with that sentence)  thanks.

besides for making me squeal like the promiscuous racoons living outside my window at night (possibley annoying every resident in this dorm building) you've also inspired my very first post.

i'm lisa. 19 yr old californian girl livin in colorado.  i like long walks on the beach and candle lit dinners and am looking for a man with a good sence of humor who isn't afraid to.... ah nevermind.  heehee.  i hate the beach to tell you the truth.  what with the smell of fish and raging post-adolecent hormones in the air.  yuck.

also, by the way, i too was at one point an incredible string band fan.  of course this was after my brief punk rock phase and before the indie-pop,industrial-goth, 80's new wave phases that came later on.  who does this leave me?  who knows?  but the moral of the story is that there is no moral to the story.

love,
lisa-prophetess of nothing

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From bellefish at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 02:27:26 1999
From: bellefish at xxx.com (sarah morgenstein)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:27:26 PST
Subject: Sinister: ahh, isobel...
Message-ID: <19990115022727.17596.qmail@hotmail.com>



hey all, i cannot seem to get 'the gate' out of my head. isobel has such 
a mesmirizing voice, its so very beautiful. when i saw b&s, she looked 
like a doll! very short close cropped hair, black sweater, and a long 
skirt that must have lots of meshy stuff in it to make it so poofy, it 
really stood out. isobel dolls anyone? to blake, i sympathize, im in the 
opposite position, i wish i was back at school so i could see my friends 
cos i really miss them alot. and song association, ugh. i recently 
picked up the newly released fieldmice double cd, id been resisting the 
urge to pick it up earlier cos all those love songs are too sad for me 
to listen to. the boy i thought of while listening to 'coastal'over the 
summer is no longer in the favourable position for me that he once was, 
i should have paid more attention to my suspicion! hey, the good kids 
come in last (and best i hope) right? take care and summer is always 
right around the corner.... -sarah

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From jossleag at xxx.ie  Fri Jan 15 02:41:32 1999
From: jossleag at xxx.ie (jossbagge)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 02:41:32 GMT
Subject: Sinister: gimme some mo'
Message-ID: <v01530500630b69ef389c@[193.203.144.72]>


Hello list.
Is there anything quite as marvellous as taking days off work for no
reason? Well, obviously aside from taking them because you're going off on
holidays or something. That would be far better. Nevertheless, I'm farting
around for a week and it's joyous. And I heartily recommend listening to
Archangel by the Walker Brothers repeatedly when any of you have a minute.
This underwear thread is causing no end of excitement 'round these parts
and I've been itching (so to speak) to add to the rapidly expanding pile of
worn items which have been mentioned. Today I am wearing these tartan lycra
Marks & Spencer boxers. They had briefly made me feel all saucy until my ex
pointed out that I have the body of Mr Burns when Marge paints him... 'in
the nip', as they say. Well, what with having received such a battering to
one's confidence, it's no wonder that nobody has seen their tartan stylings
since. O, but one day.... *sigh*
Someone mentioned John Irving. I've just finished Garp and enjoyed it
greatly. Although I was disappointed that part of it was such a re-hash of
the 158 Pound Marriage. I'm about to start Infinite Jest, but it's
difficult not to procrastinate before attempting such a mammoth task.
Perhaps I may have to fortify myself with a couple of vodka and red bulls
before setting off. I fear it's contents.
Anyways, this must be enough for you all. The problem with you all behaving
in such a witty and erudite manner is that I feel forced to share my
thoughts and underwear habits with you all. When will I learn, eh?
Take care, sweetcheeks.
Joss

on my feet: ridiculously large Frank Wright's.

"I drink more egg nog than malt liquor"


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From kschaffe at xxx.Edu  Fri Jan 15 04:10:30 1999
From: kschaffe at xxx.Edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:10:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: gimme some mo'
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Joss wrote:
> Someone mentioned John Irving. I've just finished Garp and enjoyed it
> greatly. Although I was disappointed that part of it was such a re-hash of
> the 158 Pound Marriage. I'm about to start Infinite Jest, but it's
> difficult not to procrastinate before attempting such a mammoth task.
> Perhaps I may have to fortify myself with a couple of vodka and red bulls
> before setting off. I fear its contents.

  Infinite Jest.  I have been reading Infinite Jest since October.  I'm 
normally a very speedy reader, but this book is tremendous.  And parts of 
it are so funny (esp. the tongue scraper advertisement), I find myself 
slowing down the pace just for the sake of prolonging the pleasure of 
reading them.  If you've not read any other David Foster Wallace, I'd 
suggest you read his fabulous collection of essays, A Supposedly Fun 
Thing I'll Never Do Again, before undertaking IJ, as (I'm told) it's 
known in some hip literary circles.  Moreover, read his shorter novel, 
The Broom of the System, and his collection of short stories, Girl With 
Curious Hair, just because both are so damn good.

  What else is everyone reading right now?  I am midway through 
Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow (friends and family expressed shock when I 
told them I'd not read it, so I figured I'd jump on the boat), just 
finished Bret Easton Ellis' The Rules of Attraction (and am eagerly 
awaiting the library to call and tell me his newest novel, Glamorama, is 
in), and, unfortunately, am trudging through Adam Bede for my George 
Eliot and Virginia Woolf seminar.  

  W/R/T underwears, I only like Ralph Lauren cotton underwire bras and 
cotton undies.  I wear these items in black, cream, white, grey, and navy 
blue.  I don't like underwear with stuff, like hearts or flowers or bows 
or kittens or anything, on it, nor do I like bras that have little bows on 
the front in the middle.  So there.  

  Much Love,
  Kristen

  on my feet: grey wool DKNY sneakers with elastic across the tops
  np: Tortoise- TNT
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From tinystar at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 04:35:39 1999
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:35:39 -0500
Subject: Sinister: full moon empty heart
Message-ID: <005901be4041$cf9a4b40$eb1e05d1@tinystar>


hello, snow angels!

we're snowed in here, can barely open our front door due to the abundance of
snow blown up against it. which is just as well, since schools have been
declared closed tomorrow anyways. i now have the whole day to care for my
tamagotchi angel and eat pez. ooh, and listen to the first belly album.
which is autographed, by the way, for those of you who are inclined to get
jealous. i have stories of hugs from tanya donelly and many photos. she's my
idol. for more idol talk, see below. my ex used to say i looked like tanya
when my hair was long. his friend said i looked like claire danes. my friend
matt says i look like lisa loeb. a bunch of nuts, all of them. i'm clearly a
dead ringer for chloe sevigny.

this message is bound to be a bunch of little replies to an amalgamation of
messages. please, bear with me. grr.

jeanette politely put up her hand before asking:
>>Question for the Panty Police: I'm wearing a pink satin wonder bra with
pink lace panties. Is that okay? Or should both be lace?<<

it's a cardinal rule that satin and lace can be mixed with no repercussions,
unless you wear them on the third tuesday or second sunday of the month,
except in a leap year where they may only be mixed at a ratio of 60% satin
to 40% lace. of course, all the above rules are null and void if your undies
are blue. us police love blue. it's the colour of fairies.

kin wrote, on his way offline:
>>And to keep in the tradition of my non B&S content postings, I must urge
all UK listees of this wonderful list to go and watch this new series
that's just hit your screens. It's called "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" <<

gosh, how lonely it must be in britain without buffy to occupy your monday
nights! buffy is my hero, an absolute idol who defeats evil with tongue in
cheek and tolerates highschool with an abundance of irony. don't be put off
by the initial silliness of the concept, it's quite ingenious and i'm sure
you'll agree that david boreanaz (that's 'angel') is a hottie. whoo, watch
it just for his gratuitous shirtless moments. if only he could find out
about my lovely underwear...today, pale blue undershirt with a little bow at
the top, and blue bikini undies. both cotton. and i must clarify, bikini
undies are certainly not the same as high leg...oh heatha, we've got some
educatin' to do. see, i also have hanes her way bikinis, which they
manufacture in addition to their high leg (french cut) style. the difference
is that high cut leg undies go all the way to the waist with (obviously)
high legs. bikinis just barely cover the hip and sit very low on the belly,
and generally have legs that are more akin to brief style. oh my, i really
am quite retentive. however, none of my underthings are colour coordinated
in the drawer. that should account for something.

cynthia wrote while in loooove:
>> I just bought a pair of black knee-high boots. They make me
feel like cat woman, or super girl. I wear them with miniskirts and my
new love interest can't stop looking at them, or the little bit between
the boot and the hem. hehe.<<

at the risk of identifying with a demographic or market group, you go
cynthia! i own a pair of knee-high boots, shiny black leather with the
ultimate platforms, and they are truly a work of art. they make *me* feel
like a statue, although i do have to be careful what i wear with them as
it's often hard to coordinate with what i affectionately call "sex queen
black". head to toe leather usually works best. ha. i'll let you figure out
whether or not i'm joking.

robert "i'm not related to philip" morris mentioned that he shops at
filene's basement in boston: i must say that is one of the best places in
the world to get underwear. last i was there, i hit them so hard, left with
bags of stuff including a matching guess black lacy underwear and bra set
for $8. also of note: the la perla selection. wowee.

tara (good to see you back!) widmer tried to fake it:
>>Unable to convincingly pull off the "No, I'm actually Canadian"
spiel, <<

this is so sad, people thinking that they could pull that off without saying
"eh" or "abooot". and it's in the subtleties: if someone steps on your toe
or cuts you off in line, say sorry. if someone crashes into you in a hit and
run, chase after them so you can apologise profusely for having been in
their way. that's the mark of a true canadian, doormat to the world.

i know all this and more,
love jessicaxo

ps. but what i don't know is why my christmas lights have suddenly stopped
working. just like that, for no apparent reason. anyone know why? and if you
say because it's past christmas, i'll scream.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside
the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even
orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m  (it's lovely being a girl)

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From kschaffe at xxx.Edu  Fri Jan 15 05:10:54 1999
From: kschaffe at xxx.Edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:10:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: full moon empty heart
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On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, jessica wrote:

> 
> my ex used to say i looked like tanya
> when my hair was long. his friend said i looked like claire danes. my friend
> matt says i look like lisa loeb. a bunch of nuts, all of them. i'm clearly a
> dead ringer for chloe sevigny.
> 

  Okay, Miss Jessica, it's time I tell you and the rest of this list that 
we are secret twins.  I was more than a little surprised myself.  I have 
been compared to Tanya Donnelly on several occasions (see inside-- I think-- 
Blake Babies' Innocence & Experience album.  Profile of picture of a 
younger incarnation of Tanya laughing...).  Moreover, my students last 
semester got together one day and determined that I look like Claire 
Danes, which I've been told since My So-Called LIfe was still in 
syndication.  I'll admit that I've never compared to Lisa Loeb (and 
obviously your friend was mistaken.  You don't look like Lisa Loeb 
either, since you must, by default, look like me), but (dramatic music, 
please) two of my friends saw The Last Days if Disco on the same day.  
Both called me afterwards to tell me how much I resemble Chloe Sevigny.  
After this self-obsessed spiel, I come to the conclusion that Jessica and 
I must resemble each other somehow.  Anyone think we could have been 
separated at birth?

Kristen
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From gabi77 at xxx.br  Fri Jan 15 04:59:19 1999
From: gabi77 at xxx.br (Gabriela Sampaio)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 02:59:19 -0200
Subject: Sinister: Underwear drawer.
Message-ID: <01BE4038.AF0773C0@ch24m46.sol.com.br>


Hello everybody,

Third e-mail by the way. I'm getting more confident, thank God. But it's still hard to try to read about 30 e-mails everyday. I spend almost 1 1/2 doing so.... Aren't you all going to congratulate me?? ;)

For Rory.... I don't know how it is where you live, but here my cousin got one of those cute socks at the Japanese district, so I think the Japs invented them. I think they will fit you perfectly. They were made for tiny toes people. Now that would be a problem for me, because mine are not Japanese-like at all, they are pretty long. LOL 

Someone said that Girlfriend in a coma was written by D. Coupland. Now you tell me, did he write that Generation X one?

On the underwear subject: Beth.. I would recommend I trip to Brazil. We have the most lovely underwear and bikinis. And I agree with Jessica, wonderbras are great for self-esteem. They made me feel oh so mighty! Skants and kegs? Thanks Michael, you helped me adding a few more words to my underwear vocabulary. When you say "bodies" you mean those things that look like swimsuits? If you do, I think they are great. I just love men wearing boxer shorts. I think they are very sexy. Anyway, some of them say it's not comfortable, as their things get loose (?!?) -> is that the right word? LOL.. Now, Archel,  if you had a crush on men dressed in white, preferably doctors, you would worry about the underwear you were wearing while your car was being crashed or something...LOL... It's just that, well, you never know when it's going to happen, you know? Not the car crash, but meeting a stranger and then... *blush* 

Sarah? Underwear is one of my favourite songs by Pulp.... ;) What kind of underwear does Jarvis wear??

And on b&s content: what kind of underwear do they wear? LOLOL! I think it was lesley Jo? The one that dreamt that Isobel didn't wear bra? Does anyone have any idea? Maybe Mrs. Murdoch could tell us a bit about Stuart's underwear drawer... LOL

Could anyone tell me what is Slow Graffitti?

And Stars in their Eyes? I heard someone was playing jarvis Cocker on this one...

I was also wondering since when Israel was part of Europe. Well, I have no idea. Go and ask the Israelis. But in my Hostelling book about Europe there was a section about Israel. I considered them part of Middle East, but well... Better stop here.

Serious b&s content: I agree with Ana and I could say I'd rather that b&s remained indie. You might call it selfishness but if they were exposed to the masses I think that would be pearls before swine. Besides... I guess I read it in some foreign magazine (obviously! Lol) something like b&s were the kind of people that still thought that photographs could steal your soul. I'm not an expert in b&s, but I guess their behaviour proves that they wouldn't like to be largely known. Am I wrong? I too don't want to overlisten to them. 

I finish congratulating Lesley Jo for the brilliant phrase:
No bachelor has ever experienced such desolate loneliness, as does the spinster; for the bachelor is a man, and the older spinster but a male-like woman.
* Dr. Joseph Tanenbaum, _The Riddle of Woman_, 1936


Liked that very much!

Oh, and thanks Lesley Jo for sympathising with our "new kid in the class"  situation... :) Fortunately there's no "popular" symdrome here...
xxx
Ciao ;)

Gabi

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From kwl96 at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 15 06:01:33 1999
From: kwl96 at xxx.edu (azriel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:01:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: underwear?
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.990115005818.12374B-100000@hamp.hampshire.edu>



well, just for the sake of being an exhibitionist, here's my undies:
generally i wear jockey for her bikini briefs and a victoria's secret
"angel's 2000" bra (i just bought a couple, they're really ace).
oh yeah, and i bought some boys batman briefs, but they're like really
really small. i had to break the elastic around the thighs to fit into
them. however, now i can walk around saying "i'm wearing batman underwear"
like i've always wanted to.
boxers: i used to wear them in high school. see, it was a private high
school and i had to wear a skirt every day, so i wore boxers so that i
could sit without my legs crossed. tee hee.

-kerry

"and my thoughts are turning backwards
and i'm picking at the peices
of a world that keeps turning the screws
into my mind."
	-the jesus and mary chain, "deep one perfect morning"

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From F0XinSN0W at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 06:35:20 1999
From: F0XinSN0W at xxx.com (F0XinSN0W at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:35:20 EST
Subject: Sinister: Newcomer
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Hello all!

I just joined the list a couple of days ago and just wanted to introduce
myself before making my B&S observation.

Name: Saira (pronounced "sigh-ra" and not as "Sarah" :) I'm 27, and my first
exposure to B&S was this past summer, when my cousin lent me his "IYFS" CD.
Ever since I heard that, I was hooked.  Aside from listening to B&S, my other
faves are NewOrder, Joy Division, The Smiths, Moz, The Cure, Bauhaus, Suede,
Pulp, Radiohead, Pet Shop Boys, Depeche Mode, Air, Bjork, St.Etienne,
Sugarcubes, Curve, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Echobelly, Cardigans, David
Bowie, that's all I can remember off the top of my head.  I am in the process
of moving to Maryland, and have traveled almost all over the world...but out
of all the places I've lived, I consider the UK my home, since I was raised
there and spent most of my life there.

Now for my observation: someone had mentioned something about seeing
"Tigermilk" as an import CD and was wondering if this was Jeepster's new
release.  I think that's what was mentioned (I accidentally deleted the
message). Well, all I know is that this was released before "IYFS" and doesn't
make it new.  I may be wrong...

:)
Saira

AOL IM: F0XinSN0W, Hacienda33
Email: F0XinSN0W at aol.com
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From gabi77 at xxx.br  Fri Jan 15 07:27:58 1999
From: gabi77 at xxx.br (Gabriela Sampaio)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 05:27:58 -0200
Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake
Message-ID: <01BE4048.30096E60@ch24m46.sol.com.br>





It's 05:15 am here and I should be sleeping, as I belong to the bed like our dear Friend Gazzoid.

Is Blimey another Brit word? Sounds cute..hehehe

As u see Gazzoid I never sleep.... At night. I prefer to spend the day sleeping. And now it's all your fault. I'm not in Morpheu's arms because I need to ask you a few things

As you live in Manchester, can you confirm if Morrissey really lived somewhere in King's Rd when he was a kid? I spent one afternoon walking up and down that bloody road and couldn't find out which house was his. LOL
I'm not na expert on Nick Drake but the 2 songs I've listened too are brilliant: "Saturday Sun"and "Day is Done". Btw... one friend told me that b&s were very much influenced by Nick drake. Is that correct?

XXX

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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 15 11:23:58 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:23:58 -0000
Subject: Sinister: "Me and the Major" and "If You're Feeling Sinister": Lyrics expla
	ined?
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Hi....

Can someone tell me - being a politics student, I couldn't help reading a
rant against a former PM into "Me and the Major" (seeing as someone printed
a lyric on the end of a sinister-digest special, that reminded me of a
question I'd always wanted to ask) - is this right? Or is it just my
overactive imagination wanting to read politics into songs? Also "If You're
Feeling Sinister" has to be on my favourite songs of 1998 in a similar sort
of context (not being published in 98, but by being "topical" to my own
life) in that I am having trouble reconciling my own Christianity (that
borders on the sacreligious, but I don't think God is such a jealous bastard
as some make him out to be) with the christianity of some of the Christian
Union.... and my friend within is called Hillary... scary, isn't it? No it's
not, she's really sweet and I'd expect her to be, she is a christian after
all, but I get scared by the whole thought of the evangelical movement and I
can see why people become atheists!!!!

Ciao, once again!

Louise Stanley, l.stanley at lse.ac.uk  
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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 15 11:43:02 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:43:02 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Books and Fairport
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Just read Kristen's post. In answer to her question : Sartre's "Nausea". I
know how Roquentin feels - I think that way too. But university knocks the
stuffing out of being a loner and I doubt I'll think like that for too much
longer.

Also whoever mentioned Fairport: sadly much of the stuff post 1971 is not
sung by Denny - she returned for "Rising" which was 1975, but she died in
1978 (she fell down the stairs. when I told my *dear* mother she mentioned
drugs. I don't like to think about that sort of thing. I'd call her a bitch,
but she's not usually that judgemental). But I've cried to "Fotheringay" and
"Who Knows Where The Time Goes" in the past, so yeah, definitely (and sadly
literally) an angel.

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From mrsmurdoch at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 10:46:23 1999
From: mrsmurdoch at xxx.com (Mrs Murdoch)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 02:46:23 PST
Subject: Sinister: Stuart's pants
Message-ID: <19990115104627.15247.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello it's Mrs. Murdoch here, Stuart's mum.

Some of you have been talking about pants, and I'm sure you don't want 
to hear about mine, so I'll tell you about Stuart's.  I have been 
washing them for the last thirty years, you know!  

He has seven pairs of y-fronts, a different style for every day.  

Monday: Doctor Who pants
Tuesday: "It's for you" telephone pants
Wednesday: Pants that say "Felt" on them, which I knitted at nightclass
Thursday:  Purple paisley pattern pants
Friday:   Brown on the back and cream on the front pants - Friday night 
is party night!
Saturday:  K9 pants, that came with the Doctor Who pants.
Sunday:  The Lord is a Lamb pants, with a picture of a lamb on the 
crotch, and John 3:16 on the arse.

I have to go now and get my nails done - I'm going into Glasgow tonight 
to see Daniel O'Donell.  Needless to say, I'll be taking some of my own 
pants in my handbag to throw at that young stud.

Love,
  Mrs. Murdoch

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From A.P.Huntley at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 15 12:58:09 1999
From: A.P.Huntley at xxx.uk (Alex huntley)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:58:09 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990115125809.0068b970@scooter.gcal.ac.uk>



Er....


I know that it's really bad form to sell things via the mailing list and I
apologise.

Still, I have an extra copy of Tigermilk that I don't need.  I don't like
the idea of selling it to some dealer in London who will stick it in a
vacuum sealed plastic bag for the rest of its life - I'd rather that
someone who appreciates the music, not the collectibility had it.  The best
way to do this seemed to stick a message on the list.

So here it is.


Er...that's it.

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From Martin_Conneely at xxx.ie  Fri Jan 15 13:21:34 1999
From: Martin_Conneely at xxx.ie (Martin_Conneely at xxx.ie)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:21:34 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Lizards in lingerie and Will Oldham
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More on underwear.
In February UNCUT, Chris Roberts writes that Sade's songs are "languid,
lazy, luscious, and lap at your erogenous zones like lizards in lingerie."
Anybody tried that?

In the same review, he also refers to "the sexiness of mermaids in
ballgowns".  Who could resist that kind of magazine?  To be fair, he ends
the review saying that he has no shame.

The same magazine gives a top of the class review to Will Oldham/Bonnie
"Prince" Billy/Palace.  He's appearing in Dublin at the end of the month.
Definitely worth going to see or no?

B&S:  The conquest of Ireland is moving along.  Virgin Dublin is,
belatedly, giving DOW and 3...6...9 a push at the moment.  TISAMRS also got
a display position.  And whatever batches of TBWTAS and IYFS are put on the
racks move very quickly.

B&S live in Dublin in March, still?



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From Mark at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 13:51:27 1999
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:51:27 -0000
Subject: Sinister: to ye-ye or not to? And cooking
Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2240FB79@server1.HITEntertainment.com>


Well, I don't know what it is, and I might well look ridiculous, but I want
a ye-ye dress too...

Peter Withe, of course, is best remembered as the man who almost cast the
mighty Wimbledon FC back from whence they came, gaining one win in his 18
match spell in charge of the Super Dons in 1991, I think.

Anyway, back to the point - when are we going to get onto the important
stuff - what people have *under* their underwear? The smut quotient lately
has slipped very low, so let's cut to the chase, shall we, people?

Nice to see John Irving mentioned again - I may have said before that my
second favourite book ever is "The Cider House Rules", though Garp is pretty
high up there too. Actually, books, along with cooking, are having a bit of
a renaissance in my life. Although this may be a particularly tedious thread
for many, if anyone has any favourite recipes they'd like to send me, they
would genuinely be really appreciated. The other night I made a penne alla
puttanesca, sub Lady Penelope standard, of course, but it didn't turn out
too badly. And I'm getting more inspired every day...the lovely Vicky is
making Chinese gain this weekend, though, so I may just get depressed at the
fact that I'll never be as talented as her...

Anyway, back to books - on StayLuckyRory's advice, I bought the most recent
Murukami novel on Wednesday - I haven't started it yet, and as you've
probably guessed I can't even remember the title, but I'm assured it's
fantastic, so watch this space...

Enough, then. Lunch time is over and drearisome labours must recommence.

kisses and cuddles,
Mark xxx

Sheathing my lithe yet masculine figure (yeah, right) - in my dreams, a
ye-ye dress, in gold and navy, I think; in reality, the same bloody ribbed
v-neck and cords combo I've worn for the past three months. But with a
different colour pair of tartan boxers. Will my B&S worship never cease?
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From reid.dossinger at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 13:03:08 1999
From: reid.dossinger at xxx.com (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:03:08 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Ramblings of an old-timer
Message-ID: <369F3C8A.2FA53200@bigfoot.com>


PAGING LEE WHITEHEAD.  LEE WHITEHEAD, PLEASE PICK UP A WHITE COURTESY
PHONE: I tried to email you, but those kind folks at virgin.net sent it
back to me, and I couldn't get them to tell me why, regardless of how
much leg I showed.  So if you could just send an email my way to verify
your address, I'll give it a second try.

Okay, everyone else can listen in now.  Hi, my name's Reid and I'm not
new to the list.  Can I just tell you how excited I was to see "from:
P.S. Mitchell" yesterday?  He's back!  It's like the second coming.  To
all of those new kiddies (those last two digests were were sponsored by
the phrase "Hello my name is..."), pay attention to everything that Paul
says.  He knows what he's doing, and he knows what he's saying.  He's my
list hero.  That's different than a list crush.

Speaking of list crushes, I added Mrs. Murdoch to the list of names, so
everyone should go vote for her.  This should satisfy the itch to
confess your love to her, at least until her own website is up, complete
with voting booth where you can vote on a scale of 1-10 on her body
parts.  Her former womb gets a 10.

I'm pretty fascinated with all this Brit Awards stuff.  Fascinated
mostly because everyone seems to think that everyone else is going to
get mad if they win, but we all know that no one will.  The thing is,
the only thing that is going to change about Belle and Sebatian if they
ever get really huge is this list.  It'll be inundated with "I really
really like that song 'Is it Wicked When You Cry' because sometime I cry
too, and I've written an essay on one time when I cried really hard when
my brother was mean to me."  But other than that, Belle and Sebastian
will stay the same.  They don't do interviews, so you're not likely to
see their faces on Entertainment Tonight, they're on small labels, so
they'll release what they want when they want...I just don't see it
changing the music or the band at all.  If they win, I think it'll be
funny more than anything else.

On a completely unrelated not, Kin wrote about "Buffy the Vampire
Slayer":

> It's not kitschy at
> all,
>
WHAT?!  Are you serious?  Now, I'm totally with you about it being the
best show on TV, and yes, it is genuninely spooky and exciting.  But
it's also by far and away the campiest thing that I've ever seen.  It's
one of the few shows around that's guaranteed to make me laugh out loud
every time I watch it.  The classic moment was when Willow was in the
hospital, and Zander was giving her a tearful speech, and it was this
hilarious send-up of every tearjerker, teen-flick hospital-bed
speech..."You can't go.  I mean, how am I going to pass Trig, y'know?"
Classic.

I need new underwear.  Nothing exciting, but underwear without holes in
it.  Imagine how embarrassed my mother would be if I got in a car
accident.

No one ever answered me: whatever happened to Brad?  I can't be the only
one who cares...he's #2 in the list crush vote.

I'm finished with you now,
      Reid

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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 15 14:11:08 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:11:08 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Books Bass Bonzos Blatant
Message-ID: <199901151404.OAA07381@mailhub.solent.ac.uk>


	Hey, Louise, hello it's me! Glad to see you getting on well 
with the natives. Oh, and if you want that book I suggest you go to 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0413697703/qid=9163
31325/sr=1-7/026-9185755-6619647 and if that doesn't work, just 
try going to http://www.amazon.co.uk and working your way from 
there. Would have said sooner but the mailhub thingy here went 
down yet again and I couldn't send anything. If anyone has tried to 
e-mail me and failed well, that's why.
	Then I went to what has to be the worst band practice ever. 
The lead singer / guitarist had to be dragged from the top bar in the 
union, having been drinking since midday. And I mean, you can't 
exactly play well in that state. I suppose it's my fault, being his 
manager, but you can't stop him when he's got money really. He 
tried to kiss me on the stairs but I told him I only would if he 
sobered up and had a shave. A blatant lie, but I got away with it. 
The the bass player turned up an hour late and by that time the 
rest of the band had asked me to go and find a new one. Eddy said 
he'd break the news to her tomorrow. It's a little harsh but 
understandable I suppose, since they'd be ready to play live now if 
she could actually play bass to even a basic standard... 
	But I don't suppose this is even slightly relevant to 
anything, so I'd like to make a musical suggestion to you all. I went 
into a crap music shop to shelter from the rain the day before 
yesterday and came out with a CD of two Bonzo Dog albums - 
'Tadpoles' and 'Keynsham' for only 5.99. Whattabargain. So that's 
all I've been listening to for the last 2 days and I really reccomend 
it. Though It's not as good as 'Let's make up and be friendly' I 
hardly think that they could top that masterpiece.
	Gabriela was saying;
> Sarah? Underwear is one of my favourite songs by Pulp.... ;) 
> What kind of underwear does Jarvis wear??
	Any replies to this are very welcome thankyou. She also 
went on about:
> And Stars in their Eyes? I heard someone was playing jarvis 
> Cocker on this one...
	Yeah, yeah! There was, and you can read a review of that 
very event at 
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/tvreview.html 
and then maybe drop in a few comments at 
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/wjpages.html 
Sorry about the blatant self publicity, but I have to get it 
somewhere. Except I'm not telling you all about my underwear as 
you all seem to be doing. I mean you could find out but the price 
probably isn't worth it.
		dada for now,
				james xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


James at twopounds.u-net.com
"My lover is inscrutable, in a stoic sort of way,
Oh yeah my baby is as beautiful as a tourniquet"
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/
(Which will no longer crash your computer. Hopefully.)
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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 15 14:51:38 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:51:38 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Underwear
Message-ID: <116DF9642B30D1119D530000F800DC370233366D@exchs3.lse.ac.uk>


"If fashion is your trade, then when you're naked, I guess you must be
unemployed" - my favourite lyric in the entire Pulp canon, and this is true
for a guy I know (know about?) who married a model. (Names omitted for
reasons of infamy).

I don't really want to comment on the Underwear debate without reading some
more on what others have contributed. (I erase my stuff because we have
limited H:spaces here at LSE and there might be some urgent communication
from the Government Dept.) But I guess I'm not fussy, though from time to
time I find new boxes of black knickers in my drawers courtesy of my mother
and she brought me back some silk ones from Beijing two and a half years
ago. Boring, just like Economics homework.  

As for the above reference to a lyric and its associations, are there any
(B&S or otherwise) that anyone else find relevant. I've posted my thoughts
on "Me and the Major" and "If You're Feeling Sinister" but "Lazy Line
Painter Jane" reminds me of a liaison I had at 12.40am on the northbound
northern line platform at Euston ("You will have a boy tonight, on the last
bus out of town..." well, train, but never mind).

Louise Stanley
l.stanley at lse.ac.uk

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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 15 15:04:22 1999
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (skg21 at xxx.uk)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:04:22 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Cigarettes, Alcohol and Rollerblading
Message-ID: <1045667.3125401462@q7300-06.quns.cam.ac.uk>


All these people going on about how horrible it will be if B&S become
popular, and how the list will become boring with so many new fans. Well I
seem to remember this kind of thing being debated before, when there were
only about 150 of us here; now there's about 850 and this last week's been
the most interesting for ages. The only cause for concern is that the band
themselves don't seem to want to be hugely popular, they're too shy and
might not cope too well; but judging by the quality of the music they're
producing nothing's gone wrong yet...

Anyway, there I was, yesterday morning at 7.30am, running round a park in
the centre of town. Our team captain claims that it's fitness training. I
claim that she's a sadist. Sport is taking over my life at the moment, 5
days a week for the next 5 weeks. Tomorrow morning I've got to get up at
6am to go to a tournament at some second-rate university in the middle of
England - Oxford I think the place is called. Judging by how knackered I am
at the moment (probably something to do with being up until 3.30am at a
friend's house last night), it's going to be hell...

--On Thu, Jan 14, 1999 18:47 +0000 Azrael <assassin at globalnet.co.uk> wrote:


> If so - then where were you at 8am on Tuesday morning!  We had it an inch
think in central Manchester - although the thing in my hand was thicker!

And the smut factor on the list rocketed as a result. You'll have Yale
college after you.

As for my underwear, well today I'm wearing particularly skimpy black lace
panties and bra.

And under my underwear are my legs.

Big Stu


Limerick of the day:
"There was a young woman whose aunties
 Used to write for her lots of sea-shanties.
 When sailors came to town,
 She'd whip her trousers down,
 And serenade them in her panties."
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From alex at xxx.nl  Fri Jan 15 12:34:52 1999
From: alex at xxx.nl (alex tobin)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:34:52 +0100
Subject: Sinister: a bloody christmas drought
Message-ID: <369F35E3.BA5BE4F9@tobin.demon.nl>


well, thank god christmas and the new year are now comfortably behind
us.  phew...  but the bad news, as every year, is that, what with all of
the compilations and such saturating the market, the amount of quality
new releases always seems to shrink.

ok, i know what you'll be saying:  what a great chance to check out the
corker albums and tracks of yesteryear.  fine.  but aren't you also
(let's be honest) the type to go to your local little record shop and
feel your fingers twitching at the chance of having something new, shiny
and scrumptious in your bag?

so, does anyone have any good suggestions for new albums for 99 so far?
(if you want to see my tastes, they're all at my site, more or less...
see below for link.)  it's just that i can only listen to old roxy
music, tindersticks, et al, so many bloody times!

cheers in advance,

alex
-----------------------------------------------------------
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pater romboutslaan 14
6419 be heerlen
the netherlands

phone +31.45.5711883
fax +31.46.443.3937
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From WeeChrisBS at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 15:23:48 1999
From: WeeChrisBS at xxx.com (WeeChrisBS at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:23:48 EST
Subject: Sinister:Is it wickied To Yell at people from the bus? and more
Message-ID: <b6ca75d2.369f5d84@aol.com>


Hello There list,

First of all I'd like To say If anyone is on "Whatever Oasis Mailing List"
wich I doubt cos Ned Would've probaly kicked you off for talking off topic.
Anyways About that message I posted. I Dont really want To shag Ned and
Godforbid I dont think his sexy and I'm not a gay Russian sailor. It was just
a joke becouse its Fun to see what *ned* has to say.

	Ok I probaly scared you already But the rest of this Message Is about a new
thrill I have(No not drugs) Well when I'm on the bus coming home with My So
Called Mates(Really A bunch of Bllocks who stalk and make fun of me) I keep
window open but Of Course If its Not The Scary Evil bus driver *Willie*....He
Calls Me "Big Boy".....Anyways I yell at innocent Bistandingers on the
sidewalk like example A Runer Will be runing and I'll yell "Look Behind you"
or "Your Zippers undone" and They'll look behind them or look at their Zipper.
Its All for Fun I dont try to do it to scar or hurt People like Thoese Scary
Erm "homie G's" who Yell Fuck You if you just look at them. anyways I probaly
would Just fight with My Mortal Enemey C.J.(Charles Junior) and get in
trouble. So I think it does me good and It Gets all the stuff outta my system
before Work.......

Bye Bye
-Damon
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From katfood at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 15:25:16 1999
From: katfood at xxx.com (kathrine browne)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:25:16 -0600
Subject: Sinister: B&S video
Message-ID: <199901151528.JAA26404@zoom1.telepath.com>



hello.

I am new to this and i have waited my official two weeks before
posting....so......i'm kathrine from oklahoma. I was just wondering if
anyone else has seen the video for "Is is Wicked not to Care?". Believe me,
i was very amazed to see this video, esp. on mtv. So amazed in fact, that i
was glued to my seat and couldn't even get up to put a tape in the vcr to
record the wole thing. anyways.......

>And the New Order AllyPally show, aka A Total Waste of $84,
Tara:Can this be true? Please explain!


kathrine
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From evanbear at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 15:59:32 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:59:32 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Will Oldham
References: <802566FA.00483050.00@finance.irlgov.ie>
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<<<The same magazine gives a top of the class review to Will
Oldham/Bonnie
"Prince" Billy/Palace.  He's appearing in Dublin at the end of the
month.
Definitely worth going to see or no?>>>

YES YES YES unfortunately i havent been able to see him yet
make sure he plays One With The Birds
thats one of his new singles amazing song

Like so many robins
Like so many doves
Like so many lovebirds with so many loves...

...When we are in human, we're one with the birds

-----Ev
np-Of Montreal-Cherry Peel (soon to be one with the birds)
-------------------------------------------------------

I was happy when I put my new record on
But I was sad as I listened to it all alone
---"Feeling Fine" by Class

my home page:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/dixiecluck

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From gary.parkinson at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 15 16:12:05 1999
From: gary.parkinson at xxx.uk (Gary Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:12:05 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Moz'n'stuff
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19981228125139.14779f22@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>


Gabi: yes indeed did Morrissey live on King's Road, but I can't remember
what number now. Ridiculously, there's no commemorative plaque or owt like
that I'm afraid ('And every slag waves me on/Secretly wishing me gone' -
Moz's connections with Manchester have been at times strained 'When I lived
in the arse of world'). And what do _I_ get for my trouble and pain? You
guessed it - just a rented room in Whalley Range. Hurumph.

And oh Nick Drake. Like a big 6ft cherub lost and slightly befuddled by this
modern world (well, the '60s). Have a nuzzle round 'Bryter Layter' why
doncha? You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll be envious of his shoes. Oh yes.
And now he's dead.

For general consumption: my pants today - at half mast. My shoes today: big
clumping LA Gear brown suede Florence-out-of-The-Magic-Roundabout affairs.
On my CD player today: Nanci Griffith's 'There's A Light Beyond These
Woods'. Beauty ain't in it.

Now then. Dreams about B&S in no undergarments, eh? Who'd have thought that
a B&S fanbase would produce so many hormones? Aren't we all meant to be fay
tea-drinking pansies whose greatest thrills arrive from licking knitting
patterns? Or is that just me? No dreams about the boys and girls of
Glasgow's finest as yet, though I did once have one about TV's Lily Savage
throwing cakes. True. What does this mean, Doctor?

Gloves and mittens to you all,

Gazzoid.

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From amp0010 at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 15 16:37:48 1999
From: amp0010 at xxx.edu (Amanda Marie Pintye)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:37:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: alright i give in... i have too much in common with you people.. !
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alright..   
quick replies to everyone.
i'm 700 pages into gravity's rainbow and i doubt i will ever finish the
damn thing. i only got that far by refusing to let myself find other books
to read. but the bits with bananas are good.
i've been meaning to read girlfriend in a coma ever since i knew it
existed. i guy i used to have a crush on would run around singing the
smiths song of the same name 
most of my underwear falls under the hanes bikini section, but they made
some "sporty" string bikinis which are also really cute.. but tend to
stick up over your pants.
i want batman underwear!
i borrowed some nick drake.. but i didn't really get into it, got the
impresssion of it being nice background music, ok to drive to.

i went shopping yesterday and bought purple velvet pants and the boy with
the arab strap. both of which are absolutely lovely. and i get to wear the
pants to a tommorow people concert tonight, who i'm sure you've never
heard of , but i will happily send you tapes, unless we have given the cd
back to it's owner.

we almost sang "oh, get me away from here i'm dying" at new years, but
despite mangaling, we could not get anything to pretend it was a g string.
(which seems so natural i didn't get the punniness of it all until it was
brought up in an underwear/guitar manner)

i have a blue stain bra, but i'm not wearing one right now, seeing as i
just got up....

just so the other people in my area will sit up and take notice: i'm in
dallas, texas which is probably the last place you would expect B&S fans.
Tell me i'm not all alone out here!

thanks for something fun to read in my box.... 

manda

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From honey at xxx.net  Fri Jan 15 17:03:44 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:03:44 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: uh oh
Message-ID: <Pine.GS4.4.02.9901151649300.19208-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


.. Honey's back and moaning already :)  General request to focus a
little bit here so that we preserve what was a great first two weeks
of 1999 on the list.  Thinking before you post if everyone wants to
hear what you're typing in, and if it's not taking a prolonged thread
of conversation too far - just because everyone else is doing it
doesn't mean you have to.

At the risk of repeating repeating myself again all over again, for
the newcomers:

a. Please finely hone your posts to vital stuff that you've thought
over and condensed for hours before sending, or is incredibly funny,

b. If you're posting more than two mails a day something is probably
wrong - please wait and respond to all the mails you want to respond
to in one exquisite, creative and witty mail,

c. Please go off and use the tasty "Search" on the WWW page below if
you're new and want information on something, e.g. Nick Drake -
there's staggering amounts of Drakisms already in the archive.
Everyone will appreciate it if you look before you mail :)

d. Ho ho read the list rules.  This is non-negotiable and action will
be taken if they're obviously being ignored.

None of this is meant to point fingers at anyone, and you do know I
love you all don't you?  I just don't want the number of posts to get
so massive per day again that no-one can keep up and everyone starts
reading 1% of the list and running round in circles with their very
tasty underwear round their ankles.

Finally, someone mentioned that Spanish band on Stuart David's
Treehouse site.  They're called Migala and what I've heard sounds
great, so I'd recommend you all pop along.  Stuart asked me to
mention it and I forgot in my Christmas slumber, and also, go and see
the animation online called "Block" by Edinburgh's own Duncan
Nichol.  It's great and will give you nightmares.  Finally, Mrs
Murdoch will be making Stuart his tea live next week on the same
site, so I'm told, sit tight for announcements soon.  All as usual
at:

	http://www.treehouse.clara.net/


Miss Honey xxx

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From LZYPAINTER at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 17:33:07 1999
From: LZYPAINTER at xxx.com (LZYPAINTER at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:33:07 EST
Subject: Sinister: sinister rerelease
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thank you matthew 
for that information!
i need that one finally on cd.
my tape, well, isnt really doing it for me.

>>>the one who doesn't like the snow.
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From mireiamenchon at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 17:40:21 1999
From: mireiamenchon at xxx.com (Mireia Menchon)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:40:21 PST
Subject: Sinister: Already in my dreams!
Message-ID: <19990115174022.20041.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello everyone!!!!!!

Yes, I'm one more new sinisterine! I've been just "watching" for some 
days and I couldn't decide when to start posting...you know, I had to 
think of something smart or nice so you'd like me!
Well, I couldn't find the right stuff ( maybe I'm boring? NOOO ), so I 
kept delaying that important day.But the moment arrived this morning 
when I woke up and remembered the dream I've had had.
I don't know you at all and I'm dreaming about you already...
I was lining up for a check-up in Africa ( !!!! ) and as it was a 
never-ending line I thought I'd drop by a b&s meet up in flat nearby.
It was an old place, a wooden attic. Everybody was very nice but... the 
shocking thing was that all of you were like about 45!!! It was like: 
"welcome to sinister!I've been in the list for 17 years." Anyway I 
thought that was normal and joined the party. There was this beautiful 
porch and you could see the night sky all starry and pretty and 
that...Then somebody brought many, many chocolate boxes, and cookies and 
marzipans...but nobody went to try them ( but me: really delicious 
cd-shaped cookies!) because you were having such a lot of fun dancing, 
but no normal dances, no... it was like that moment in Titanic when they 
dance and the camera spins around and they all clap!
Like B&S version of Titanic!!!!!Bit scary...Luckily, Little Di Caprio 
didn't show up!!!!
It ends here. I think that's too weird, it has to be the sign I've been 
waiting for!So here it goes: Hello!!!!!!

             First kisses to everybody.See you tonight,maybe!!!!
                             Mireia

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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 15 18:26:30 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:26:30 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: National Velveted Proud
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So, Honey,it's my first and only message today, you won't be too angry
with me even if it's a bit redundant,but migala ( I believe they wanted
not to be written with capitals,but I am not sure)are from my home
city,Madrid, and it is not very common any Bellie and Sebbie member knows
and praises some band from there! 

So,everybody,let's listen to 'Asi duele un verano' and 'Diciembre
3AM',their second and first album,respectively.OK?It's just what Stuart
David wants you to do and I am sure you all are starting to  feel
mesmerised by his words...

Ye-ye : it comes from yeah-yeah , and it was widely used in Spain in the
60's,but the word could arrive there from France,as it was applied to
singers like Sylvie Vartan ,France Gall and so on. Philippe,where are you
to help me with this philological stuff?In a more general sense,it was any
youngster around 1965 with Beatles / Mod haircut, (too long for
traditional tastes),interested in 'light',pop music.If it was a girl,the
hair could be sort of Twiggy style or maybe some complicated and cropped
bun.And the dress was this sort of mini-skirted ,pencil -shaped thing with
no sleeves...

Sorry for this fashion history digression.My next email will be entirely
devoted to B&S or won't be,Miss Honey, I promise!

A-R-A-n-T-X-Awq




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From MctaggartR at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 17:55:21 1999
From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:55:21 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Everywhere I go, the kids just wanna P!O!P
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Gentle reader,

Wow!  Indie truly is the future of music, isn't it?  It's dangerous,
groundbreaking, zeitgeist-defining, with no respect for genre barriers.  It
can make you fly like an eagle, walk like a panther, or shag like a rabbit.
No wonder kids from Brooklyn to Borneo are digging the sounds.  But how
indie are you really?  Can you tell your Field Mice from your Fields of the
Neph?  Try this simple test and find out....

1 What do you normally post to Sinister?

a) *Outrageous* descriptions of your favourite kids TV programmes and what
underwear you're wearing.
b) "Has anyone else noticed how Belle and Sebastian sound like the Field
Mice?" followed by frantic pleas to be nice cos you're very shy.
c) Cheap innuendo at Stuart Murdoch's expense

2 Belle and Sebastian scoop a Brits award?  Do you...?

a) Masturbate furiously
b) Cry and run to your room to burn all your B&S records because they've
SOLD OUT to the MAN and now common people will like them
c) Make cheap innuendo at Stuart Murdoch's expense.

3 If someone was to ask you the catalogue number of "Tigermilk", would your
response be...?

a) Tigerwhat?
b) Correct to 12 decimal places
c) Who cares?

4 What is your favourite club?

a) The night in town which plays a huge variety both Britpop AND indie, plus
"relevant dance" (i.e. the Beastie Boys) and "upfront 60's" (i.e. the Small
Faces)?
b) Tufty
c) Mile High

5 Which rockstar would you must like to shag:

a) Cerys Matthews
b) Isobel Cambell, although, I object to the use of the word "rock", and we
wouldn't shag, we'd just hold hands and have a picnic
c) Serge Gainsbourg

6 Thom Yorke is:

a) A poet, he feels my pain
b) A sell-out corporate whore
c) Hilarious

7 Northern Soul is:

a) Not as good as "Urban hymns"
b) Too commercial and lacking in jangling rickenbackers
c) Sex

8 What would you like played at your funeral?

a) "Lager Lager Lager" by Underworld
b) "Fox in the snow"
c) Strip poker

9 How did you spend the Sinister meet-ups?

a) Down the front in my trusty DM's
b) Looking for foxes
c) Ruling

Award yourself one point for each (a), two for each (b) and none for each
(c).

Here are the results:

No points Yes, Keith, very clever.

1-6 points

Indie traitor!  I suppose you're feeling very pleased with yourself.  Well,
just because you stopped buying Sarah records when you were 21 doesn't mean
you can be smug about it.  I bet you wrote a fanzine once.  And you still
like the Pastels.

7-12 points

Baaaaa.  That's you, you big bloody sheep.  If Steve Lamacq told you jump
off a bridge, I bet you would.  I bet you haven't even heard "Perfection as
a hipster".

12-18 points

Congratulations!  You are young, and what's more, you are foolish.  Your
alphanumerical record filing system is a joy to behold, and what's more
you're better than everyone else, because you liked them first.

Award yourself an extra two points if you were thinking of telling me that
I'd made a mistake in question 8, you bloody trainspotter.

Don't write in, it's only a game.

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From juliesque at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 18:45:31 1999
From: juliesque at xxx.com (Julie Smith)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:45:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Only to find Gideon's Bible (yes B and S content)
Message-ID: <19990115184531.27908.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com>


Hi kiddoes.

Got a new job and I've been busy getting to know everyone in the
office and trying to fool them into thinking I'm fairly professional
hard-working person. But now that I've pulled the wool over their eyes
I think I can play again. I picked out some nice Belle and Sebastian
decorations for my cubicle, I might add, but so far no one has
commented, despite this being a "young" office. 

I'm not new to the list although I'm not exactly an old-timer either.
You may remember me from such posts as SF bus stories. And if you
don't -- that's cool.

HEY!!!!!!
A friend of a friend of mine recently started a new job and sitting
innocently on her desk she found a tape labeled "Tigermilk-Belle and
Sebastian." Then upon turning on her computer she came across B & S
wallpaper. Intrigued, she put the tape in her walkman and has been a
fan ever since. This tickled me--Belle and Sebastian outreach?  Is
this like the Gideon Bibles you find in hotel rooms?

So it's great to have Honey back on the scene--I was beginning to
wonder if he had left for good. But I was glad to see his smiling face
again.

Julie (Joo-Lee)

Underwear: cotton, bikini, flowery
Reading: David Sedaris' Holidays on Ice
 

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From bkim0 at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 15 19:21:35 1999
From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:21:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Sinisterites in NYC?
Message-ID: <199901151921.OAA38918@dept.english.upenn.edu>


Hey NYC Sinisterites....

I'm going to be in NYC next Wednesday night (1/20) at the Luna Lounge and
wondered if anyone else wanted to stop by.  I might be with a few friends,
we might have some musical instruments in our hands, we might be onstage
at 10 p.m.  You know.:) But it'd be swell if you came out.  It's free to
get in too, so you can't beat that with a stick.  

Take care, and hope to see you there.

Xavier
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From monroej at xxx.com  Fri Jan 15 21:03:47 1999
From: monroej at xxx.com (John F. Monroe)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:03:47 -0600
Subject: Sinister: TV showed sham Chip and Dale
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'The NWRA', The Fall
( ok, so, see its easy - you quote a song as a subject line, then you _tell_
what song it is from - notebooks out plagiarists! :) and a no-prize to
whoever knows where i plagiarized that from )

a no-prize to mr. trousers for Lispector vs. Rector, made my day.


here, from the latest news email ( i don't think anyone posted this, so i
just wanted to be big cheese for a day, thanks to the lovely folks of
Jeepster - many of you probably already know this news anyways... ).

Video from the 1998  "Black session" will be aoired on cable TV's Paris
Premiere channel at 10:55pm (French time) on February 3rd.

How much of it will be shown is up to speculation.  So don't yell at me if
its not the full set :)

Those with satellites, those who are In france, please contact me if you can
send me a copy of this after it happens:).*warms up my two stereo mitsubishi
vcr's* I promise an interesting video or casette tape will be sent your way
for your troubles ( along with necessary postage ), in trade.
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From Niceaction at xxx.com  Sat Jan 16 00:29:08 1999
From: Niceaction at xxx.com (Niceaction at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:29:08 EST
Subject: Sinister: The wind blows in my hair, yet my quiff remains
Message-ID: <246d4ee1.369fdd54@aol.com>


In a message dated 14/01/99 23:37:05 GMT, you write:

<< A goodlooking, interesting, friendly bunch who can manage to
drink copious amounts of alcohol and still walk straight!!!! (this excludes
myself, of course, the boring lardass who was out cold after one bacardi
breezer.)   Anyway, special props to Jamie for organizing the whole to-do, I
crown thee Stud of the month for your efforts!  >>

Oh wow, Stud of the month !!  does this rate higher than winning the list
crush table ? if so a big ner ner to Fluffy, although im pretty sure you are a
bigger studess. Is studess a word.? what is the female equivalant of a stud ?
!

In a message dated 15/01/99 12:38:19 GMT, everyones faveourite mum, Mrs
Murdoch wrote.

<< Monday: Doctor Who pants
 Tuesday: "It's for you" telephone pants
 Wednesday: Pants that say "Felt" on them, which I knitted at nightclass
 Thursday:  Purple paisley pattern pants
 Friday:   Brown on the back and cream on the front pants - Friday night 
 is party night!
 Saturday:  K9 pants, that came with the Doctor Who pants.
 Sunday:  The Lord is a Lamb pants, with a picture of a lamb on the 
 crotch, and John 3:16 on the arse.
  >>

I used to have a pair of spiderman and superman pants (as in Y fronts).  I was
still wearing them until i was 15, it was then i went on a school camping trip
and one of the bigger boys grabbed my rucksack off me and went pilfering
through my stuff on the bus. He pulled out these pants and i died, i felt my
heart being ripped in pieces.. Every ounse of street cred i had built up to
that point, which admittedly wasn't much, had all gone. I was left to hold my
head in embarssment.  
It wouldnt have been so bad, had they not had slight skid marks in them. 

I think David should investigate getting a range of ladies and gents matching
B&S underwear for the sinister shop.  On the front of the guys Y fronts could
be a nicely drawn picture of a bus, and on the ladies undies, a Bus Garage
could be emblazened on the front.  

I recently delved into the world of Pop, after buying records like the working
holiday compilation,  the Simple Machines Compilation, Nothing Painted Blue
album and the forth album from the Go Betweens .. This was the first time  i
had heard GB, and i am absolutly delighted. !  this is pure Pop, absolutly
fantastic.. Im in love with Apology Accepted and Spring rain.. Are all there
albums as nice and perfect as this ?? 
I also ordered a field mice comilation from 1988 - 91, but the company are
having trouble finding this..  I havent heard them before, but they will no
doubt be as nice as wind chimes on a summers evening.

Take it easy people 

Jamie







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From patrickosborne at xxx.com  Sat Jan 16 13:22:20 1999
From: patrickosborne at xxx.com (Patrick Osborne)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:22:20 -0000
Subject: Sinister: morrissey's address
Message-ID: <199901161324.NAA15192@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>


For those who were asking about Morrissey living on the King's Road:

According to The Severed Alliance, Morrissey was brought home from hospital
to a house at 17 Harper Street, Hulme.  Then in 1965 the family moved to
Queen's Square, Moss Side (no number given).  After the Queen's Square
house was demolished in 1969 by the council, the Morrisseys moved to 384
Kings Road, Stretford.  An article in the Guardian last year claimed that
he now divides his time between "a hotel room in Los Angeles and his
mother's house in Manchester".  There really should be a blue plaque or
something on the Kings Road house, definitely!  It's amazing how little
stuff there is in Manchester about bands that have come from there,
especially compared with all the Beatles crap in Liverpool.  I guess that's
a good thing, though...

Patrick



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From his8jm at xxx.UK  Sat Jan 16 15:00:06 1999
From: his8jm at xxx.UK (J. MURTAGH)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:00:06 GMT
Subject: Sinister: listen johnny, you're like a mother, to the girl you've fallen f
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hello there.
Just wondered,
 there are probably loads of us out there who actually don't 
write in to this list and well just read the posts. So I thought 
it would be nice if all you lot, who're reading this with a nice cup 
of tea, send something. One suggestion I'll make is that you all tell 
us what you do for a living or somthing, that's always rather 
interesting, especially juxtaposing it with you humming Belle and 
Sebastian at your place of work like say at operator services at 
BT or in Iraq. Be funny if those tyrant loving Iraqi 
conscript soldiers caught you  and they started humming 'If You're 
Feeling Sinister'.

 Underwear scare stories

I have these boxers. Nothing particularly exciting about that you may 
snear, but they're not any old boxers. No, no they are a hybrid or 
perhaps a mutation of the boxer. You could say they were half box, 
and I hate to say this, half Y front. The outside material is a bit 
flimsy so during my busy day they gradually start to squeeze 
onto my hips which means that the narrow section does in fact climb 
into my arse with very awkward repercussions. One day I was 
having the usual pulling down my pants routine but later that day I 
had to have one of those medical check ups for the army which I 
foolishly thought of serving in, dropping my cordouroys the medical 
clerk was shocked to see that my frillys were half way up my stomach 
like Mr Bean and that my arse cheeks were indeed bare arsed like a 
bloody Sumo. Sneakily I tried to pull them down but then horror of 
horrors the boxers got stuck in my arse crack. Oh poo.

Anyway not too much to do with Belle and Sebastian except that "I 
know where the boxers go"

Get to work Murphy!
john
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From WeeChrisBS at xxx.com  Sat Jan 16 19:02:46 1999
From: WeeChrisBS at xxx.com (WeeChrisBS at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:02:46 EST
Subject: Sinister: Underwear and Soul On Ice plus More Work Stories
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Hello There List,

First Of All I'd like to say I don't wear underwear..I wear Boxers. Right now
Im wearing my Boxers with Saint Bernardes(You know The Dogs) that have Whiskey
things on their neck you know for rescuing. My other Pair I have that I like
are my LEGAL BREIFING on one side and The Other side it says SEE YOUR ASS IN
COURT but its a bit faded now.

	At school we have to read a book for Black History Month and Do a Report(Im
sicker Then a dog and Have to do this plus other homework over The Weekend
Blah) and I'm reading "Soul On Ice" Its written by Eldrige Cleaver while his
In Prison and Its his transformnce from a Thug who Hates Whites to a
Revoulnist and Panther and becomes basically good.l It is Brilliant and
Inspiring. You Sugguest you all read it! Its one of my favorite books now.

	Now on to work Stories... If you havent already know I work at An italian
Resturent after school. I usally just Scar off the Costumers but this Time a
Costumer Scares me.... He comes in every day and orders the same dish and I
said yesterday "Should I just tell the cook to make you your meal everday?"
and I ment in a good way and he Started screaming at me then When I was going
To The Bathroom I heard The new cook say "I'm gonna do something sassy to the
Food". It was Quit Scary and My Work has soo much B&S Refences like theres a
painting of a Fox in The Snow and a Poster of Bob Dylan in the bathroom. Watch
Next The cook Will have An Arab Strap on next......

well Ta Ta Everyone
-Damon
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From tuckfield45 at xxx.com  Sat Jan 16 20:51:00 1999
From: tuckfield45 at xxx.com (Lauren Caulfield)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:51:00 PST
Subject: Sinister: marilyn monroe, naked or not?
Message-ID: <19990116205101.5881.qmail@hotmail.com>


i just have a question. not wanting to contradict anyone, but i read 
that in response to a journalist's question, "what do you wear to bed?", 
she (marilyn, that is) supposedly replied "chanel no. 5".an answer which 
inspired me to invest in that very fragrance. and i must add that i find 
it completely overrated. but i digress, my question:  am i to believe 
that she does indeed sleep in the nude, or that she wears a bra even 
while sleeping. sorry, this type of trivia interests me to a disturbing 
level. gosh, now i sound like a dirty pervert. let me rephrase, it's  
not just trivia regarding miss monroe's underwear, or rather lack of it 
that interests me, but any small titbits (double entendre not intended, 
just all that talk of underwear is affecting my subconscious) of useless 
information. i'm going to sshh now. indeed.
         take care, lauren xxx

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From pookie59 at xxx.com  Sat Jan 16 22:04:18 1999
From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:04:18 PST
Subject: Sinister: maybe he's no romeo,but he's my lovin one man show
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Hello! Oh my you're all a-twitter today...
I'm in a particulary good moood....for one i LOVE the snow,because snow 
equals cancelled school! but you know,i have been good,i'm actually 
using that time to study.O! If only I had the brain of Honey, or  of a 
John Munroe.....the net force is equal to the mass times the 
acceleration...but then i get all befuddled.

lots of crazy underwear talk, (yes,i agree p _ _ _ _ _ _  is a 
disgusting word)my grandma used to buy mine,these things that would go 
all the way up to my chin..but i couldn't complain,or.. "I had to wear a 
burlap sack,and a piece of string for underwear when I was your age"
my favourite pair ever were my mickey mouse ones,how fun and cute i 
thought they were!but the boys on the bus would flip your skirt and make 
rude comments,and then they just seemed not fun anymore.

That is so strange that Belle and Sebastian are up for the Brit 
Awards...I think they should go and go all out too! Well,Stuarts Murdoch 
and David can rip of their clothes wearing little y-fronts (That 
Sophisticated Mama Murdoch has knitted,hi Mrs.Murdoch! I must thank you 
on your extrodainry genes that gave wee stu such a fine..err what is the 
term.. gluteus maximus?and i just want you to know that if Stuart 
Murdoch and James Van Der Beek,aka Dawson ever got into a fight,i would 
so be on Stu's side to kick the shite out of Dawson,wheee!) and Stuart 
David can leap into the crowd and give everyone purple nurples and 
Stuart Murdoch can lick his finger and touch his belly button and make 
that 'sizzzzzzle' sound and cry out 'DAMN i'm hot!it's all good,from the 
front to the back,and I get down with my badself' and then collapse in a 
heap and have to be removed by a stretcher...or they could do a strange 
mordern art dance called 'Dancing Dog Who Lost His Wheels' no SINGING,no 
talking..just fluttery hand movements and high hicks,and then,everyone 
will be talking about it,and they'll be invited to all the cool 
parties,but because they're even COOLER they will refuse all contact 
with press and move into the Ice Hotel in Lapland.

the lovely Oon wrote:
>oh and i got to mention Genevieve too, for the precious
>drawing of Stuart David.  manly and hairy
>in school uniform, ie. pleat skirt.  what can i say?
>this is, by all means, the meaning of the word
>P R O V O C A T I V E  itself.


Oh I am so glad you like Oon...pleated skirts are great,my school skirt 
that i got in grade 7 still fits me!so naturally,pair up a great skirt 
with the great hairy legs of a Man's Man... next i think i will draw you 
Stuart David,in Mailman costume....every bored housewife's fantasy.

The Super Fantastique Tag wrote:
>I also want to go to the Ice Hotel they have in Lappland that Genevieve 
was
>talking about.  Does anyone know how that works?  Do you have to wear 
Polar
>Bear pyjamas?

hmmm,i don't know about polar bear pjs..but i do know they ply you with 
lotsa vodka to keep warm.And Tag,i think you should have a boyband with 
Keith.Keith is 2 cool! I cna just picture him with those luscious pink 
leg warmers going "Today started with a crazy kiss!" and then you could 
join in going "I got to,got to tell you darlin' OOOH baby,I think I love 
you,from head to toe!" oh,too insane.

i had the ODDEST dream, that Don Johnson (he's that guy in Miami Vice 
right?) went on vacation in Newfoundland,and all the Newfies hated him 
and threw dead rats through his window,but i went and got pictures taken 
with him in secrecy because my mother didn't approve of my ulterior 
motives..he wore flannel shirts and could pick me up with one arm,and 
anyways,i marryied him.The strange thing is,when I woke,I just had this 
lingering GLOW in me,this strong strong strong love..but the dream was 
about Don Johnson..whom I don't even know,or have never even thought 
about..apart from seeing his name mentioned in a magazine or something.
Did you know that Rod Stewart is coming to Ottawa? I'd like to marry 
Rod,I wouldn't have to go to school,I wouldn't have to work and I could 
style his hair...screw the independant woman,i want to be a 
princess!...i think the dream meant Rod,instead of Don ..but i just got 
the signals mixed up,yeah so his last wife was a supermodel,he can 
adjust.My friend bet me a dollar if I can actually get within 10 feet of 
Rod Stewart. 

bye bye my little friends,
xoxo genevieve

p.s
Yay! Honey is back! I love Honey,he makes me want to wrap him up in a 
blanket like i do to my cats when they are not feeling well...your 
presence was sorely missed.


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From makerman at xxx.edu  Sat Jan 16 23:52:32 1999
From: makerman at xxx.edu (Michelle Akerman)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:52:32 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Nice to meet you
Message-ID: <01BE4168.3AEA7240.makerman@ucdavis.edu>


Well john suggested that all us new kids introduce ourselves, so here goes:
My name in Michelle, and as for what I "do" I'm a student at University of 
California at Davis (microbiology if anyone is interested).  However lately 
I've been spending most of my time daydreaming about my yummy, yummy 
organic chemistry Teaching Assistant.  Oooo that lab coat, those goggles, 
the latex gloves...
I also work in an agricultural lab on campus where I spend my days grinding 
dirt and sifting through dried up corn and stuff.  When nobody else is 
around, I usually bop around to some b&s and think naughty things about my 
teaching assistant, debating what he could have meant by squeezing my arm 
for 2 seconds instead of 1...
So that's pretty much it for me, except I must say I'm thoroughly enjoying 
this list.
	-Michelle
undies: nude bra with embroidered flowers on it, bikini briefs with purple 
flowers.
book: Madame Bovary

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From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com  Sun Jan 17 03:28:15 1999
From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:28:15 EST
Subject: Sinister: everyone hung up on underwear
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I prefer bikini briefs over boxers.

Underwear horror story:

Years ago as a lad I was obsessed with the music of the Doors & Jim Morrison.
I read a bio on Jim and found out he never wore underwear under his black
leather jeans.  I figured I'd give the itchy approach a try but I didn't
prefer the too-hot-to-wear leather.  My brief-new-style changed when I almost
zipped up once a little too close and too fast.

The moral of the story:  Wear button fly or snaps or strings if you're gonna
go Commando.

Pete
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Sat Jan 16 14:14:19 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:14:19 +0100
Subject: Sinister: =?iso-8859-1?B?R28gWektWekgRm9yIEx1bHUh?=
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Behold! For I am going to answer some questions and generally make
"worthwhile" contributions to list chat. But first...

Peter Withe in Thailand? More hairy coconuts! He was definitely a hero
of mine, I considered him the Roger Daltry of British football, but I
was very young. You can tell, because I disapproved of his striking
partner Gary Shaw's relationship with a page three bird. I've got
their autographs. Peter Withe swore rather a lot for my liking.

I can only assume that Brad has become a born again Christian.

Yé-Yé! The other night I was allowed to stay up late to watch a TV
special about Yé-Yé, a way of life. It was a curate's egg, excellent
in parts. To give unsophisticated non-continentals an idea of what it
was all about, the following Brits were shown as examples of Yé-Yé
influences: Lulu, doing a fantastic dance that involved kind of
ganwing her wrists and claiming to be a tiger, Sandie Shaw, doing a
mind-numbing rendition of "Those Were the Days, My Friend, We Thought
They'd Never End" with no clogs on, and...our very own Sir Cliff,
doing "Congratulations" in Spanish, which was quite a thrill for me.
Also featured was a brief glimpse at some French Yé-Yé-ists,
including....our very own deflated Diana Dors, France Gall, doing our
very own Poopy Doo song!   Her blouse was a little bit sparkly, a
little bit see-through, and thoroughly fantastic! I can't remember
much more about it. I tried to record it, but technology got the
better of me. I hope that helps. I also hope Stuart Murdoch follows
Lulu's example and insists on being called Stustu from now on.

Will Oldham! Migala! List old age pensioners will remember that
hundreds of years ago I went to see Will Oldham, and it was great,
definitely well worth going to see, Mister Conneeeeelly, a truly
remarkable larynx and a very scruffy jumper, and songs with the word
"cum" in the title. On that particular night, Mister Oldham was backed
by a group consisting of a bunch of Joe 90s who looked like chess
champions, who had done their own set earlier in the evening. That
bunch of Joe 90s was Migala, and they were splendid, especially the
singer. Check them out kids, they won't disappoint you. Unless you
don't like them.

B&S! Brit Awards! Everyone I've polled seems to think that Billie's
going to win because she's got two mums, but let's not forget that B&S
have got EIGHT mums, to vote for them, as well as innumerable dads, at
least one of whom looks like Elvis. It's in the bag.

Greil Marcus! How come everyone else gets to argue with the old
duffer, and I don't? Does he go on international arguing tours, or
what?

I've spent days trying to find out if medieval monks really did go
around saying "bollocks!" to each other, as Keith stated last week,
but to no avail. Are there any librarians on the list who could look
it up?

TIA,

Sister Disco

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From ooon at xxx.th  Sun Jan 17 15:50:42 1999
From: ooon at xxx.th (oon)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:50:42 +0700
Subject: Sinister: talking dict
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a giantic welcomeback hug to Ms.Honey.  we miss you mum :)

Tag wrote:

> >my felicity remains in this nifty trousers
>
> You know, a million monkeys with a million typewriters couldn't come with a
> sentence as wonderful that in a million years.  Oon, you are my new God,
> especially now Mrs Murdoch has spurned my amorous advances.

Cheers, mate!  whoa i can feel my english writing is galloping
at breakneck speed.  but really, just give the monkeys a dictionary.
anyway, i'll reluctantly and coyly tiptoeing in the role of your new God
for the time being.  even though i'm frightfully afraid i can't possibly fill
the enormous shoes of the delightful Mrs.Murdoch.

and Tag, i hereby vote for the B&S remixing project.  no idea what
it'll end up like so i'm utterly eager to hear.

also, i hereby vote for B&S for the Brits.  come on everyone.
how could they not win!  will you let it be known that B&S fans
are less obsessive than those teenyweeny bands' fans?
ok i just want to see them on telly.   if they win, i bet they'll
say something good and giggle a lot.

in addition, i hereby vote for panty.  if only for the fact that it's the
only word i know for underwear.  until we started talking underwear
here, of course.  maybe it's just me, but panty seem to say
soft, girly, dainty type of underwear. while pants, on the other hand,
evokes pants as in outerwear.  incidentally, it's somewhat
amusing to me how men wear boxer shorts under their trousers.
it's like wearing 2 trousers at the same time, no?  not that
i don't like boxers.  i used to wear them a lot.  as outerwear.
it's the only thing you can wear in our hotter-than-hell summer
and sometimes even winter.

i don't know any welsh swear word but someone taught me
a scottish rude word.  apparently it is very very rude.
'pokmahon' or something.  sounds too funny to be rude.

Mr.Miller, Peter Withe is really Thailand football coach.
he was our big hero back when we beat Korea.  since
then i've never heard of him again, so i take it our team
never win anything ever since that.  is he still your hero?
i'll get his autograph for you if i ever run into him.

there's seem so be some fuss with bollock word.
let me settle it once and for all that it simply means
balloon.  it's quite a party/merry making thing so
it's true that medieval monks/laymen really did go around
saying "bollocks!" to each other.  as common as we say
'have fun' nowadays.

retiring myself to bed,
oon xxx

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From lyricjunkie at xxx.com  Sun Jan 17 19:27:34 1999
From: lyricjunkie at xxx.com (headrush city)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:27:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister:A cheery wave from a stranded youngster
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( The Subject is *almost* Mogwai's "a cheery wave from stranded
youngsters". )

Well, I've been a voyer for about a week now, and what a lovely
experience it's been. It's a right little community you've got here.
Reading my mails makes my insides go all warm and woozy, like when
you're a bit tipsy and you love everyone.
The earth-shattering thing I "do", John Murtagh who was the one who
asked, and the rest of you cuddly listees,is A Levels. I live in
Cyprus at the moment, and if it weren't for my NME subscription and
John Peel on British Forces radio who brought me Belle & Sebastian, my
life would be a much emptier place - I fell in love with the band as
soon as I heard Dog On Wheels. I can't wait to start University back
in England later this yearand meet real live B&S fans, a creature so
elusive in this part of the world that its existence is merely
conjecture and speculation(apart from my brother). That's why you
people make me feel so >bouncy< (thank you, whoever recently used that
word, I can't remember who it was).
I don't like to bleed you all dry of mail without making myself
useful, so I'm going to suggest a thread. Bear with me for a minute,
please... I recently met someone at a party who had the most beautiful
eyes I've ever seen on a boy - deep blue with really dark lashes. So
dark, in fact, that I suspected he was wearing mascara. The next time
I saw him, at a club, alcohol and lust were giving blood a good fight
for occupation of the greatest volume in my veins. (Oh alright then, I
was drunk as a skunk and crazed with desire.) I went up to him and
said(cringe) : "Were you wearing mascara the last time I saw you or
are you always this gorgeous?" Every time I think of it I want to curl
up in a corner whimpering. And so we come to the thread: Have any of
you said/done anything as embarrassing as this in the presence of
someone you fancy the batman pants off? If so, please share - you'll
get knowing sympathy and understanding "you poor dear"-type soothing
words (and maybe a few laughs, but not cruel ones, promise). Go on -
you know we want you to.
And so I've eased myself on to the Sinister list. My darlings it's the
place to be.

      Love and snowflakes ,
                              Natasha 
                                                    ~*~
"What are days for?...
  They are to be happy in:
  Where can we live but days?"
        
"Days" ,  Philip Larkin
                                        
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From deliriumeleven at xxx.com  Sun Jan 17 02:40:39 1999
From: deliriumeleven at xxx.com (odelia lee)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:40:39 -0500
Subject: Sinister: listen johnny, you're like a mother, to the girl you've fallen f  (err..?)
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oof.   greetings my lovely woolen socks   8)

erm..  so you would like to hear from me, hmm..?  fine fine...  let's
see...  i'm a fifteen year old attending high school (10th year) in
massachusetts, us.   the funny thing is, every one i've ever asked (as to
whether they enjoyed the company of b + s' lovely music) has never even
heard of them... pffffft.  purchasing cd's is hard for me for various
reasons::  une. i'm an unemployed bum   deux. the only money i can get is
what i bugger off of my parents  trois.  hermit-ism has become my new
hobby.   8)   <----a dashing smile, in case you hadn't caught on.   8)

i'm not too keen on tea..  but only because it always seems to still have
an INCREDIBLY strong resmemblance to um...   water from the tap..?  is it
supposed to be like that?  i add less water and it still tastes the same.
 oh, woe is me.   damn my all my beverage related misfortunes, i say. 
(soda pop isn't too fond of me either.)  but i do like this imported
drink from quebec, fruite'.. tastes like a peach lollipop!  mmm...

hmm..  i must have come in during the middle of this storm of undie
postings.  ahh..  well..i'm not too picky of a girl...  hehe, i rather
fancy "days of the week"  and confetti speckled undergarments in
oh-so-comfy cotton..  none of that sticky satin or that naughty naughty
itchy lace....ooo!  ultimate irritation....  what about this wooly-panty
business?   

akkkk... it's sooooo cold here (i know i shouldn't complain, my friends
in canada have it 3 much worse, i'm sorry)  it's been 4 degrees and
snowing and icing for the past few days..... for phyiscal education, the
teacher (of course, who is a machine and environmental factors have no
affect on him what so ever) made us trek to the skating rink.... 
arggg...i could just leap on him and tear the remainder of his hair
out.....  my body felt as if it were freezing and being scalded at the
same time...   i was on the verge of screaming when i had to turn the
doorknob...  ......    

..odelia.  
i know you love one person, so why can't you love two?  ..moz
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From GretchN66 at xxx.com  Sun Jan 17 20:19:07 1999
From: GretchN66 at xxx.com (GretchN66 at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:19:07 EST
Subject: Sinister: mouse
Message-ID: <17d8d73d.36a245bb@aol.com>


hello~
i just wanted to mention that
after listening to a couple months of good recommendations for the field mice,
i finally found and picked up a copy of the double cd   :)
and i wanted to say thanks guys.
i love it
    and well worth the money.

-gretchen
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 17 21:35:24 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:35:24 +0000
Subject: Sinister: 01253 769 333 Wanted, Welsh Blue Slates
In-Reply-To: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2240FB79@server1.HITEntertainment.com>
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tradegy!

Mark Cassarotter:

>Well, I don't know what it is, and I might well look ridiculous, but I want
>a ye-ye dress too...

I have one of those. I have two! Otherwise known as the "shift dress", I
wore them all the time, until I got paranoid about my arms. I wear them
with a top underneath though! My stepmother makes them for me. They are
fab!

Short message? So sue me! I've caught up with all my back mails! A ye-ye
dress! Honestly! It sounds better though, I shall tell everybody I wear
a "ye-ye" dress. 

I read a bit of El Coronel blah blah (real title, FACT) on the train to
Liverpool and actually udnerstood some of it! Hooray!

When are the Brits announced? Wouldn't it be funny if B&S won! Hehehe
I'd have a giggle anyway. But Steps are more deserving. I mean, who re
this Belle and Sebastian anyway? Are they in this for Pop stardom? Are
they produced by the Kylie Team? NOOO! Actually I hope B&S don't win,
cos Bille and B*witched would start a Pop Bands Whose Names Start With
Bee Mafia attack on them. 

Dooh those pesky kids!
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Fluffy Candarel
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From alix.campbell at xxx.net  Sun Jan 17 22:22:23 1999
From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:22:23 -0000
Subject: Sinister: i fell into a puddle...
Message-ID: <000501be4267$ec1de740$ed3ca8c2@big-comp>


i'm afraid this is quite dull....oh, no change there.

can someone help me with that chat thingy? you know what i mean i hope,
because i don't. what i need is someone to come round my house and sort it
out. more conveniently, can someone write to me and explain this fucking
thing? obviously, you can come round my house if you really want, i'll make
you some tea, but....just help me please. i've tried all that seems logical
to me to make it work. but as i'm not logical most of the time, it still
doesn't work.

i just had a big surprise - my old school has a web site, and i just visited
it. funny funny funny. search engines are dangerous things, aren't they?. at
the end of the 6th form bit, it said 'Gosford Hill sixth formers are a
pretty special bunch of young people' HA HA HA. i wonder which teacher wrote
it. go and see it, there's pictures of my friends in the library 'studying'
(hmmm -  incentive?)

i had something relevent to add, i know i did. oh shit.

toilet
duck
alix
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"No, Patrick," Luis says. "They were . . . broiled"
It's silent in the boardroom as I contemplate this, thinking it through
before asking, finally,
"What's 'broiled,' Luis?"
"I'm not sure," he says. "I think it involves . . . a pan"

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From deliriumeleven at xxx.com  Sun Jan 17 22:06:58 1999
From: deliriumeleven at xxx.com (odelia lee)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:06:58 -0500
Subject: Sinister: ooohhh..  apologies/pointless/delete/eehehe
Message-ID: <19990117.190055.-585989.1.deliriumeleven@juno.com>




dearest sister disco, dearest list, i'll apologize now for thoughts that
intruded my mind   8)

(>Peter Withe in Thailand? More hairy coconuts!) 

oh, and by the way, have any of you had the pleasure of reading the
princess bride?  i'm reading it now in literature class (the *aherm*
"good parts version")..  i must admit, i was a bit skeptical at first..
but it's turning out to be one of the most adorable novels i've ever
read; inigo the spaniard is fantastic.  lalalala...  oooohhh..  dirty
filthy exams start wednesday and i haven't even started studying..  hmm..
 are there any orbital fans out there? hello?  halycon, la le ne on and
on ne le ne ne le...  a nice tub-time song  8)

odeeeelia.
(he's got a nice body. he's wearing velvet pants. that's all she talks
about..)

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From Bellequasi at xxx.com  Mon Jan 18 01:12:29 1999
From: Bellequasi at xxx.com (Bellequasi at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:12:29 EST
Subject: Sinister: i'm just a TAD bored
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 hello, i know i never write but oh well i thought i'd change my evil ways.  i
read the messages for all you who might not believe me, i just don't have a
lot to say i guess.  well just to tell you all i'm almost done with my school
project comparing Tibet and Sweden.  I also got a job which i forgot to
announce to everyone.  i also got magnet in the mail and they have  a top ten
artists of the year.  i think we all can guess who's included in this list.
there's a cute black and white photo of a very adorable looking stuart.  just
thought i'd tell you all.  now i guess i should find something to do.  oh yes
i've just developed this terrible cough and i had a fever yesterday.  just
thought i'd tell you all.

kristie and her pembroke welsh corgi reggie
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From mazzy_ana at xxx.com  Mon Jan 18 01:38:26 1999
From: mazzy_ana at xxx.com (ana simic)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:38:26 GMT
Subject: Sinister: sometimes we call it January
Message-ID: <19990118013826.23980.qmail@hotmail.com>



It is January and I've got loooooads of exams and it breaks
my heart not having the time to go through all the digest.
(The number of unopened digests is keeping getting bigger and
bigger...).
It sounds silly, but I do miss you guys.
(Someone wrote something about telling people you miss them when
you do...or liking them when you do..or whatever.) 
So I guess, it makes me a better person that I told you.

Whoever else is going through the same hell with the exams,
I do wish you all the luck (or should I say, _good nerves_?)
*smiles*

*Ana*

P.S: Steven Duffy played a concert in Vienna yesterday (it was even
for free as a part of a birthday party of the local college radio)
...and I wasn't able t� go cos of my shitty work!!!!
I reckon, that was my missed chance to see THE man ....My, oh my... 

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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Mon Jan 18 03:21:16 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:21:16 -0800
Subject: Sinister: ye-ye girl from Misery
Message-ID: <001e01be4291$9cf14020$4811020a@rebelstrange>


hey-oh,  i love the Ye-ye thread.  I was vintage shopping yesterday in
belleville at the vintage shop(go figure) and i looked hard and long for a
ye-ye dress, but i didnt' find anything that even remotely resembled one.
it was very upsetting, all the dresses were far too long to be ye-ye, but i
did get a lovely knitted dress of navy blue with sleeveless styling,
patterned v-neck and little bordered pockets on the front, it was very
Amelia Fletcher somehow.   Last night i fell asleep listening to France
Gall, after a long struggle, and dreamed of possessed witch girls who helped
me murder a cult member boy and then when i was trying to save her sanity,
she became a snake like witch woman and her purple tongue flicked on my arm
and it burned me.  but i think i eventually shook her back to consciousness
after she threw the magic fairy down the stairs for the 3rd time, and the
horse came back as a robot to assist her in saving the  world.  I was about
to write a book  about it all but it had a very improper scene in it i'm not
sure would be healthful.

So where did all these new kids come from?  1999 explosion anyone??  what up
wit dat?  Listen and gather round, tender young shoots! and pay an ear to
Honey.  Very soon, you'l learn to welcome his posts as the guiding hand of a
caring mum who loves you.  I did!  Now  take your scarf when you go out,
you'll catch your death of cold.
thanks for the quiz, tag.  i had to call a neutral on teh question about
clubs, as i am a shut-in, and hypothetically predict the sinister get
together question, but i came out with a nine. i'm not sure what that means.
but i love quizzes.
Hello, hope you'll all excuse my gushing here, but i've just been listening
to all my new live things, the NY shows and some radio show things, and i
was just all excited about how amazing it is, and how lucky i was to be able
to see them play.  It's so beautiful when Isobel sings harmony in "Belle and
sebastian" and her and sarah's string bit in the live "seeing othe rpeople"
and when weechris gets down and funky on the keyboards, go man go!  the
wrong girl is a little lame, the words are silly, but the chorus thing is
nice, when stu sings back up and they get their motown groove on, dirty
dream style, I do enjoy that, however i'm not sure if it  ttoally redeems
the song, but it's pleasant enough.  poupee de cire!!!  say no more.
*shudder pleasantly*   I finally got my Tiggerjam for my birthday prez.  i'm
just relieved to have it in my hands.  how could you all dis the gate like
that?  It's so lovely and sweet and SO true.  and it has banjo in it, fer
cripes sake, what more can you ask?  the uh, melody of slow graffiti is
sublime.  that's all i have to say no more boring for you.  (!)
you may enjoy knowing i've been updating the b/s and wee world pages, the
wee world is also looking for your input if anyone would be pleased to do
so, any remarks on why isobel is groovy, to add to the obsessiveness.
nothing like "isobel is God"---cos she's not! (shock, gasp, surprise)   just
anything nice, maybe you met her once, maybe you just think her  voice is
purty, anything that's not  vulgar, cos i wont'  be held be responsible for
that sort of thing, you naughty  boys know who you are!  even little
drawings you have or isobel related scribbles or oil portraits in gilt
frame, or a velvet isobel, or life size models in clay.
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4967/isobel.html
(so you wont' have to ask me later)

>From the Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English
Language,    new  edition:
twee (twe-) adj, Chiefly Brit.     affectedly dainty or quaint:  "twee
writing about furry little  creatures".  (1900-05; appar. reduced from
"tweet"{perhaps via pronoun "twi?}, mimicking child's pronunciation of
"sweet")

and that is verbatim.  i recalled soemone asking about the etymology of
Twee, so i found that interesting. t

genevieve, your last post had me rolling.
"on your extrodainry genes that gave wee stu such a fine..err what is the
term.. gluteus maximus?and i just want you to know that if Stuart
Murdoch and James Van Der Beek,aka Dawson ever got into a fight,i would
so be on Stu's side to kick the shite out of Dawson,wheee!) and Stuart
David can leap into the crowd and give everyone purple nurples and
Stuart Murdoch can lick his finger and touch his belly button and make
that 'sizzzzzzle' sound and cry out 'DAMN i'm hot!it's all good,from the
front to the back,and I get down with my badself' and then collapse in a
heap and have to be removed by a stretcher.."

I must admit i'm not sure what all of that meant, and i'm troubled by any
mention of Dawson's Creek, as well as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" which is a
crap show i have to admit but i digress....but I can attest to the quality
of said gluteus maximus, with appropriate um, authority, and objectivity as
well.  i think if they win the Brit award, they should be on there live and
play the show, and look all confused by the lights and stuff and stu would
be staring at the floor, but during the bits where isobel doesn't play
cello, she could be on a lifting platform wearing a ye-ye dress and go-go
boots and glittery fake eyelashes, and go-go dance like Edie with the
Velvets.  that's what Jess and I have decided anyway.
Oh, and who is Billie?  do we not have her over here in the states?  we have
Brittney spears, thought, at least i think that is her name.   Thankyou
Michael "cheeky rake" Barrett, for the lovely imagery of isobel getting her
groove thang on with pants halfway down her arse infront of a lycra dancing
line. Yum!   Next I assume we can see Stuart and wee Chris with adidas track
suits and 50-pound gold chains, smoking Philly blunts in a jumping street
machine filled with jheri-curl  honeys.  Mackin' it!

sarah m, a woman after my own heart:
 hey all, i cannot seem to get 'the gate' out of my head. isobel has such
a mesmirizing voice, its so very beautiful. when i saw b&s, she looked
like a doll!.......... isobel dolls anyone?
....actualy y'all can see the isobel doll, very soon arriving at the wee
world, get ready.  I'll have jess pick up some more and i can sell them to
gullible obsessives for exorbitant prices.  mmm....fraud....

I'll stop here before i harm anyone.
lesleyjo
http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange
No bachelor has ever experienced such desolate loneliness as does the
spinster; for the bachelor is a man, and the older spinster but a male-like
woman.
--Dr. Joseph Tanenbaum, _The Riddle of Woman_, 1936


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From Thomas.Tesch at xxx.at  Mon Jan 18 10:05:48 1999
From: Thomas.Tesch at xxx.at (Tesch, Thomas)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:05:48 +0100
Subject: Sinister: weird people out there
Message-ID: <41E1A7B4D460D2118FA60008C71E3FB440786D@ntsviemxs0011.connect-austria.at>



This underwear debate seems to go on and on...
and everybody seems to enjoy it.
That's why I wanted to introduce myself by telling you what I wear:
white APC jersey boxers.
Like them a lot and always order them in 3-packs.
My name's tom, I'm living in Vienna and work as a copywriter
at an upstarting international mobile phone company.

Talking bout something more interesting:
Spent most of my recent new year's eves in Rome and always wore red
underwear...
well up until the recent one.
According to some old Neapolitan superstition, wearing something red
underneath - preferably underwear-
is a good omen for your upcoming sexlife.
After I wore those red ones several years in a row and my sexlife didn't
improve, I changed my habit recently
and thought to myself: Well, if Italians are supposed to wear red to improve
their sexlifes maybe foreigners should rather stick to white?
So I'm still curious what the outcome of all of this might be.

According to B&S: Austrian's FM4 broadcasted the black session in the middle
of last december
... it's rather amazing that Austrian radio is once in a while broadcasting
something prior to the U.K.

 :) tom
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From honey at xxx.net  Mon Jan 18 13:01:40 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:01:40 +0000
Subject: Sinister: [Fwd: "200 TROUBLED TEENAGERS"]
Message-ID: <36A330B4.4DC4E30E@ph.ed.ac.uk>


Aww you lot.  Here's a snippet for you for being so good.  I don't
know a single thing about this, so don't shoot the messenger if you
go and it sounds like James Last.  I'm sure it won't (gulp) :)

honey xxx

> ----------
> From: "Sarah Smith" <sarah.smith at xxx.uk>
> To: sinister at majordomo.net
> Subject: " 200 TROUBLED TEENAGERS"
> Date: Mon, Jan 18, 1999, 9:25 am
> 
> JE SUIS MUSIC PRESS RELEASE,JANUARY 1999.
> "200 TROUBLED TEENAGERS"
> When a Japanese tourist offered je suis MUSIC DJ Joe Egg £2000 for his
> copy of "Tigermilk", the legendary first album by Glaswegian recluses
> Belle and Sebastian, he knew the time was right to hold the first
> evening dedicated to the first group since The Smiths that really
> turned him on.
> Fellow devotees and je suis MUSIC DJs Nervous Stephen and Agent Mike
> will be joining Joe in co-hosting a special one-off night they're
> calling "200 Troubled Teenagers" at The Paradise Bar in New Cross, the
> home of their cult Sunday evening 20th Century Pop Music Club.
> The title comes from a Belle and Sebastian song called "Beautiful"
> which they'll be playing amongst a selection of the other 52 songs the
> mysterious eight piece group have released, including those which only
> featured on the aforementioned "Tigermilk" LP, of which only a
> thousand copies were pressed. And yes, despite the pleas of that rich
> Japanese tourist, Joe Egg does still have his copy , and he will be
> bringing it along to"200 Troubled Teenagers".[The Paradise Bar will be
> hiring extra security to guard this most precious piece of vinyl.]
> The evening will also be sound tracked by other "related" records;
> Nick Drake, The Pastels, Francoise Hardy, Stereolab, Nancy Sinatra,
> Morissey, Momus, Scott Walker, The Pale Fountains, Weekend, Saint
> Etienne, Sandie Shaw, early Pulp and others from the glorious je suis
> Music under-ground record library and trumpet duo MAJORCA will be
> performing live acoustic interpretations of songs made famous by Belle
> and Sebastian and other people. So if you want to know why Belle and
> Sebastian are the most important group since The Smiths, or you know
> already, "200 Troubled Teenagers" will be thickly felt penned in you
> exercise book diary.
> "200 TROUBLED TEENAGERS" - an evening dedicated to Belle and
> Sebastian,
> THURSDAY MARCH 11, from 9pm till 2am at The Paradise Bar,460 New Cross
> Road,
> London SE14.
> Entry is £3 or £2 with NUS card, UB40 or Belle and Sebastian t-shirt
> or badge.
> For further information please telephone Joe Egg on 0181-694-1376.

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From MctaggartR at xxx.com  Mon Jan 18 12:54:39 1999
From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:54:39 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Crazy little party girl
Message-ID: <A141A8FB79B3D1118E2D006097E0308B0D0745@MAILSERVER>


Hello Poopy-pants,

I'm glad Leslie-Jo liked my little questioannaire.  Some sensitive little
souls didn't and wrote to tell me so.  Just to clear matters up, one of my
new year's resolutions (OK, so I did make some) was to be nicer on Sinister.
I was such a grouch last year, I was getting a reputation.  So the quiz...it
was just a little bit of fun, no malice intended, I promise.  I was alarmed
to find that my girlfriend's score means that she is in fact Keith, but
impressed by Kevan Cooke's pedantry above and beyond the call of duty.  Of
course, there are TWO mistakes in Question 8.  One was deliberate, the other
was me getting Belle and Sebastian song titles wrong.  I hang my head in
shame.  Kevan, you're a prince.  Or a Duke, at least.

Are we still discussing underwear?  I'm wearing Wumpkinny's today.  Out of
loyalty, you understand, not because I get off on the sensation.  I offered
her mine to wear in return, "It's not an offer be sniffed at", I said.
Strangely, she agreed, although not to the offer.

Oon talked about football:

>Mr.Miller, Peter Withe is really Thailand football coach.
>he was our big hero back when we beat Korea.  since
>then i've never heard of him again, so i take it our team
>never win anything ever since that.  is he still your hero?
>i'll get his autograph for you if i ever run into him.

Whatever happened to Jimmy Rimmer and Nigel Spink?  Oh, how we laughed at
their funny names.  Perhaps Villa Miller can enlighten us.  Oh and Peter, I
don't suppose you taped that thing about Lulu and France Gall, did you?  We
don't get enough of that here, I'm petitioning for them to show the
Francoise Hardy show on Channel 4.  I'm having another one of my girl group
frenzies right now, after I bought another swell compilation at the
weeekend.  People say it's not rock enough, but the Shangri-las kidnapped
someone once and kept him as their slave.  I think that makes Lemmy look
like a big Nancy, and I'm going to tell him to his face.

Cheerio,

Love tag xxx
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From uh0jm at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 17 12:19:55 1999
From: uh0jm at xxx.uk (James McGachie)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:19:55 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Hi!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.990117121828.26931A-100000@sysa.abdn.ac.uk>


Hi Everyone,

I've been on the list for about a month now and I just thought I'd say
hi!

Does anyone think B&S will perform at the Brit Awards when they collect
their award? It would seem rather strange B&S sharing the same stage as
say Bewitched!

later

james.

                                                                  
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From elizabeth.daplyn at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 17 15:51:35 1999
From: elizabeth.daplyn at xxx.uk (Elizabeth Daplyn)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:51:35 +0000
Subject: Sinister: My pants and other animals
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From johnj at xxx.com  Mon Jan 18 14:11:03 1999
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Johnston)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:11:03 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Johnny's Diets
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"This weekend I have been mostly listening to .... Lloyd Cole" and very
nice it was too. But listening to "Are you ready to be heartbroken"
prompted a question in my mind...  who was Arthur Lee and what were his
records like? I'm sure you can put me straight.

I'm full of questions at the moment - why is the Art of Fishing not
available in the Tyne Tees region?

And I've got a bit of a competition, too. I can't think of a prize but
maybe one will come to mind and anyway I don't want to appeal to your
baser instincts. But I need a new word. It's all a propos of an
historical conversation with a Canadian friend of mine many years ago.
This chap [who once began a letter to me by saying that my last letter
had been "without doubt been the finest contribution to Political
Economy since Ricardo (Montalban)" - well it made me laugh but then
that's the kind of highbrow gag that I enjoy, oh but I digress....] was
wondering about what kind of a world it was in which so many people we
being thrown out of windows that they thought - we need a word for this
and thus "defenestration" was born. Well, recently I've spent a lot of
time waiting for buses and I'd like a new word (a noun please) that when
looked up in the dictionary would be defined as ...

n. The sense of joy when long overdue public transport turns up. (Orig.
obscure maybe Sinister 1999)

I bet there's a word for it in German - I'd be interested to know it in
any language - Thai, Oon?
Don't send your answers to the list send them to me - johnj at intapps.com
and I might send the winner something great! Or maybe not.

xx
John
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From A.L.Corby-98 at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 18 14:40:52 1999
From: A.L.Corby-98 at xxx.uk (AL Corby)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:40:52
Subject: Sinister: little miss chatterbox
Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990118144052.22070574@student-mailin.lboro.ac.uk>


I have finally given into temptation and I am now going to write about
underwear and specifically my flatmate Emma's underwear.  One of my other
flatmates Bev had been telling emma for some time that she should get some
G strings as you see her pants through her trousers.  Emma generally wears
m&s kiddies days of the week pants.  Emma then informed us that she had
bought some gstrings,  only when Bev asked if her boyf could see them did
we discover that they were bright pink with little miss chatter box on the
front.  She also informed us she has little miss shy and little miss
sunshine as well.

I hope you understand this complicated story and don't you think it's nice
that we are all able to be open about underwear.

Oh and does same colour count as matching

BYe 

Andrea
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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 18 14:54:32 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:54:32 -0000
Subject: Sinister: the difficulty of thinking up an interesting subject-heading.
Message-ID: <199901181448.OAA31273@mailhub.solent.ac.uk>


	hi again Sinisterines. i'm afraid that i've been ill and unable 
to read all your bizarre thoughts for the last few days. as you may 
have noticed, i have decided to give up using capital letters except 
for people/things i really respect. yes, i know who i nicked the idea 
off, thankyou verymuch. 
	i wasn't ill on friday though, in fact i was having the 
pleasure of hearing B&S in a certain shitty s'ton club for the first 
time. it wasn't too bad actually, lots of nice indieish girls and boys 
who i had the pleasure of sucking my fingers at. can someone 
please explain to me the attraction of boys... all that hair and 
sweat and dangly bits. yuk. i've got a hopelessly short attention 
span, so let's pull out a recent query....
"who was Arthur Lee and what were his
records like? I'm sure you can put me straight."
	who "was"? unless there's been any very recent 
developments he's alive, well, and incarcerated in los angeles for 
firing a gun through the ceiling. his records weren't half bad, i won't 
pretend to be an expert, but if you go out and listen to Love's last 
album (Forever Changes... no?) you'll be as well informed as is 
neccecary. 
	oh, and if anyone's at all interested, we didn't have to sack 
out bass player 'cos she resigned before we could tell her. 
apparently she thinks dan is lacking in maturity which is true in a 
way but she's got a sort of conformist don't-make-a-scene 'maturity' 
which i approve of even less.
	i think B&S should re-make star wars... Steven Pastel 
could be the evil darth figure with his jeep-star, and luke would have 
to be Stuart, natch. me and my friends at sixth form wrote an 
embarrasing thing like that with ourselves in the main roles. i was 
james solo of course. the best thing was RUC-Thru who bleeped 
obscenities limited in rudeness only by your imagination.
	
	oh well, never mind,
			james xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx




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"My lover is inscrutable, in a stoic sort of way,
Oh yeah my baby is as beautiful as a tourniquet"
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/
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From pants at xxx.com  Mon Jan 18 15:54:10 1999
From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:54:10 -0800
Subject: Sinister: the difficulty of thinking up an interesting
  subject-heading.
In-Reply-To: <199901181448.OAA31273@mailhub.solent.ac.uk>
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i'd prefer if they remade something that had more underwear scenes
in it.  i'm sure it would appeal more to their fans.

senor droolcup <- porting a scant collar of boxers slightly seen

At 02:54 PM 1/18/99 -0000, weejay wrote:
>i think B&S should re-make star wars... 
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From radioheadsuck at xxx.com  Mon Jan 18 16:12:28 1999
From: radioheadsuck at xxx.com (you me)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:12:28 PST
Subject: Sinister: dogs got a bone
Message-ID: <19990118161229.8330.qmail@hotmail.com>


 
 I heard someone mention the beta band the other day
  would you agree that that the patty patty sound ep 
  is well a little excessive ,
   it goes off and does its own thing,
 Have any of you heard the old jock radio sessions for the mary-ann 
hobbs show

  they are absolutly brilliant,
  oh no i am writing this at college just before one of my labs,
 and i am supposed to have a info apps test,
  so i am now offically writing an email in the middle of a test

 before i go my browser at the moment has no frames
can someone send me the sleeve notes of lazy line painter jane off the 
website which i cant access at the moment
thanks and bye
  


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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 18 17:56:29 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:56:29 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Underwear and white chocolate
Message-ID: <116DF9642B30D1119D530000F800DC3702333673@exchs3.lse.ac.uk>


Now I will post my underwear "requirements":
	Black. Usually (except under tight tops) no support needed. (I'm not
exactly Melinda Messenger, although it hasn't done me any harm.)
	Silk/imitation silk: mainly the latter, but mum brought me back some
proper ones from China two years ago; but I reserve them for when the weight
is off and special occasions.
	I wear pyjamas in bed. Or a tight nightshirt I nicked off my sister
(which is why it's tight, but that was the reason I stole it, because it
enhances my feeling of comfort both in and out of bed, and as I said, the
weight is considerably lower at the moment. I'm not a diet fanatic - quite
the reverse - but I started walking all the Pringles and noodles off last
year at school so I didn't feel like a whale and didn't get sly comments
from my father.)

Anyway, thought I'd contribute that, make of it what you will. I listened to
"Dog on Wheels" on Saturday and that is what I call music. I've also got The
Sugarcubes' "Best of..." album, which (judging by the album I've got) should
be a real treat. Belle & Sebastian, Fairport convention and The Sugarcubes
which,  by no means all I'm into, are all the aural equivalent of eating
white chocolate on a snow-covered winter day (not so many of those around
London).... wonderful. I'm off home now before it gets even wetter, but I'll
see you all soon.

Louise Stanley l.stanley at lse.ac.uk

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From gary.parkinson at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 18 19:38:42 1999
From: gary.parkinson at xxx.uk (Gary Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:38:42 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Trouser trauma/willie worries
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19981229170146.37276690@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>


Hello munchkins

In response to the proposed B&S remake of Star Wars: 'Bra Wars' anyone? I
think Jim Davidson made me say that. Whoever started this thread probably
never realised the fascination without end that
grundies/knick-knacks/bloomers/etc would have. Whilst we're (still) on the
subject of nether garments then: boys, come with me now to the privacy of
the changing rooms now where none of the young ladies can eavesdrop; boxers
- does anybody else have this slight but potentially ruinous problem with
them, that is, that the buttons (particularly if the shorts are a little
worse for wear) often work themselves loose, the opening, erm, opens, and
before you know it, you've got an escapee, erm, on your hands, so to speak?
Just me? Urk.

And anybody remember (of course not, you're all whippersnappers) the classic
trolleys song by John Foxx, 'Underpants'? There's things about pants that
you can only say in song.

And yes, you me, the Beta Band's 'Patty Patty Sound' is a bit like Spaghetti
Junction played on bits of rubbish, but 'Dry The Rain' off of 'Champion
Versions' is a smasher, likewise pretty much all of 'Los Amigos...'.

I better go now, or I might be taken in hand by Miss Honey for talking too
much in class. 8) [thanks odeeeeeelia for showing me this smiley, it's now
my favourite and I'll use it always 8)].

T'ra chucks,  Gazzoid.

omtpn: Caravan 'In The Land Of Grey & Pink'(where only Boy Scouts stop to think)

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From mandrew2 at xxx.com  Sat Jan 16 19:32:23 1999
From: mandrew2 at xxx.com (Matthew Andrew)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:32:23 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Stereolab connection?
Message-ID: <199901181939.MAA26147@mail.elp.rr.com>


> The evening will also be sound tracked by other "related" records;
> Nick Drake, The Pastels, Francoise Hardy, Stereolab. . .

Does anybody else feel Stereolab and Belle & Sebastian are "related?"  I
thought I was the only one, or at least the only one in  Texas.  I listen
to both of them obsessively.  I've just joined your group, sorry if I'm
repeating things.

matthew
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From jmurphy at xxx.Edu  Mon Jan 18 21:17:18 1999
From: jmurphy at xxx.Edu (Jessica Murphy)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:17:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Re: The Boy With The Boxer-Briefs 
In-Reply-To: <599A1E1B32@arts-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
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Hello list,

I'm glad someone mentioned Lloyd Cole & the Commotions, because it's a
perfect gray rainy day for listening to "Rattlesnakes."  And I miss the
Monday Poem; will the parrot ever come back?

It's officially a holiday today but I'm doing some work anyway.  So, I'm
in the mood to respond to this work-related suggestion:
 
> of tea, send something. One suggestion I'll make is that you all tell 
> us what you do for a living or something, that's always rather 
> interesting, especially juxtaposing it with you humming Belle and 
> Sebastian at your place of work... 

I'm at a university where I'm a graduate student slowly earning a degree
in art history but also doing a lot of work as a teaching assistant.  I
wish I could wear my "...Sinister" t-shirt while I'm teaching, or make
some kind of coded reference to B & S in class, to see if any of my
students would react...  Recently I was talking with a student who needed
me to write a reference for him, and at the end of our meeting I was
putting his paperwork away in my bag when he spotted my B & S 
rude-little-boy button on the bag, and his eyes brightened and we ended up
talking about music for a while.  So that was a nice accidental discovery
for both of us.

And, on a somewhat related note, while home for the holidays, I had my
first B & S parental experience. I'd made a compilation tape for my mother
to listen to in the car, and she came home one day and said that she'd
really enjoyed it.  Apparently her favorites were "the one about the boy
on a bus, and the one about a walk in the park."  I hadn't written any
titles on the tape, so I thought that was kind of sweet.  Which songs she
actually meant is anyone's guess...

> Underwear scare stories
> but they're not any old boxers. No, no they are a hybrid or 
> perhaps a mutation of the boxer. You could say they were half box, 
> and I hate to say this, half Y front.

I'm afraid I don't have any scare stories at the moment, other than the
realization that if I don't do some laundry soon, I won't have *any*
available underwear.  So, I'm off.

And you're still falling, 

jessica m














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From patrickosborne at xxx.com  Mon Jan 18 23:09:57 1999
From: patrickosborne at xxx.com (Patrick Osborne)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:09:57 -0000
Subject: Sinister: je suis music
Message-ID: <199901182312.XAA01214@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


> JE SUIS MUSIC PRESS RELEASE,JANUARY 1999.
> "200 TROUBLED TEENAGERS"
> When a Japanese tourist offered je suis MUSIC DJ Joe Egg £2000 for his
> copy of "Tigermilk", the legendary first album by Glaswegian recluses
> Belle and Sebastian, he knew the time was right to hold the first
> evening dedicated to the first group since The Smiths that really
> turned him on.

At the risk of sounding like a name dropper, which I'm not, I promise! 
I've spoken to Joe Egg about the B&S night and it should be good.  The
Paradise Bar is a fine venue - I know to most of London New Cross is in the
middle of nowhere but it's not that hard to get to, honestly!  7 mins from
London Bridge.  'Twas Mr Egg himself who copied tigermilk for a friend of
mine who then copied it for me, so I can vouch for his keeness (is that a
word?!).  It will be a good night...

Patrick



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From hamibe02 at xxx.edu  Mon Jan 18 23:24:57 1999
From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E. Hamilton)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:24:57 -0500
Subject: Sinister: The state that I am in...
Message-ID: <001701be4339$c336d4e0$ee941198@wfu.edu>


All--
Does everyone have MLK Day off?  Oh yea, that's right, it's an American
thing, and I believe that us Americans are in the minority on this list.
That is no bother though, as I understand that the US is a boil on the
scrotum as a spyllitic donkey.  Well, maybe that was a little harsh, but you
get the idea.

Anyone want to lend me some money so I can make my dandy way over to
England?  Oh yea, a place to stay, and sightseeing, of course.  Take me to
Eel Pie Studios so I can pretend Pete Townshend is inside peering at me with
relish.  Most of all, I want a British accent.  Can anyone wrap one up and
send it on over the blue ocean?  I'd really appreciate it.  Pack it with
that bubble paper that is so much fun to pop.  I'd rather pop bubble paper
than watch TV.  Ugh, I swear, my roommate watches TV all day.  That means
I'm confined to listening to B&S (with a dappling of Who) on my headphones.
It's not really the same effect with the B&S, and well, with the Who, it
always needs to be loud.

I feel a little better about my B&S song association now.  It's fallen into
the realm that is a littler more nostalgic than directly sad.  I guess now
it's really just sad and nostalgic.  Ahh, oh well, my sob story, a debt to
you all.

Now I read Genesis, ahh, the Bible, giving myself to sin, I suppose......

love to you all,
blake elwood hamilton
~~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
I'm sorry like atari...

"We try harder and harder, tryin' to get our way,  but it's a long, long
wait until Judgement Day.  So settle your affairs and take your time,
for everything in the world is yours and mine.  Yours and mine."
--Pete Townshend, '68

"Listen Johnny, you're like a mother to the girl you've fallen for,
and you're still falling, and if they come tonight, you'll roll up
tight and take whatever's coming to you next."
--Stuart Murdoch

"Said the hero in the story, 'It is mightier than sword,
I could kill you sure but I could only make you cry
with these words.'"
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Tue Jan 19 02:51:03 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:51:03 -0800
Subject: Sinister: the Sinister Bible
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whoo-hoo, first off is to say, i didnt' know my last post would be so
interminably long.  i only had a couple of things to say.  it looks like i
was trying to write  crime and punishment.  jeez.

the dashing Weejay spouted off this bit of inspired insight:
can someone
please explain to me the attraction of boys... all that hair and
sweat and dangly bits. yuk.
.........my thoughts exactly.
**************************************************
Now it came to pass, that Stuart Murdoch looked down upon His creation, and
was greatly displeased.  the tribes of his sacred land were worshipping
false gods such as Noel Gallagher, and Boyzone, and no longer honoring the
Sabbath he had set for Felt records.  He searched far and wide among them,
and found the one honorable prophet  Honey.  He instructed Honey to build an
Sinister List of 150 cubits wide, and 400 cubits long, and to gather
Hipsters and Tweeslackers of every kind, two by two into the Sinister List,
for a great deluge of Britpop woulld cover the earth.  It lasted for 40 days
and nights.  After the 40 days, Stuart Murdoch did spake unto Honey, and
instruct him to send out a Dog on wheels.  when the Dog on wheels returned
not, Stuart Murdoch did instruct unto Honey, Send an honorable Dose of
Thrush, and seek dry land on which to settle and  procreate.  the Dose of
Thrush did return, and lead the Sinister List to Dundee, and the deluge did
wipe away all the shoegazers, and all the hooligans, and all the gallaghers
of the great land, and the Sinister List did builld a Poetry Cafe as to
Stuart murdochs' instructions.  And great Bus Routes did  traverse the land
and spread the seed of the List far and wide. And Honey spake unto his
children, Be Smutty and propagate, and so did they, and Honey saw that it
was good smut.   and Irish Troubadours did sing the praises of Keith, and of
Tag, and FluffySarah, and Stuart Murdoch looked down upon His Creation, and
WAS pleased.
  but it came to pass, that unrest grew among the Sinister List.
Philistines set up dens of theivery, and the Tigermilk Covenant did change
hands against Stuart Murdoch's decree.  Brad and Robbie did bring forth an
unholy alliance of Sodomites, and babes  were suckled that knew NOT of Nick
Drake, and the Field Mice.  the Philistine sects did honor false idols and
set up Temples to Isobel Campbell.  Stuart Murdoch was greatly displeased,
and spake unto Honey, "Can you not bring order unto this Sinister List? I am
greatly displeased"  and STuart Murdoch did rain down upon the Sinister LIst
with unholy  wrath, and bring a plague of bitterness upon their hearts, and
there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.  and Keith did flee, and
Madame Cholet and David and Katrina did flee, and even HOney did flee the
Sinister LIst, and a darkness fell upon the land, and no longer did Felt
records flow  like manna from uncluttered minds.  and the Sinister LIst
wandered the earth for 40 days and  40 nights in blindness, praying for
guidance from above, but yea, even Stuart Murdoch had failed to hear their
cries.
 Until a weary traveler Did open his eyes, and witness a great man
approaching on a chariot of light.  He was ringed  with glorious robes, and
his legs WERE bare, and he came bearing Sha-la-la records and massive
amounts of knowledge.  The blind could see, and cried out, for it WAS the
Duke, his coming having been foretold.  the babes of the Sinister list did
wail in pity, and cry out, We thought The Duke had forsaken us.  But Yea,
did he return,a nd grant them blessings of many many P!O!O! records, and
Stuart Murdoch did smile upon the Duke's return, and smote the Philistines
and the false prophets with a wall of fire and banished them from teh
Sinister List.  and Keith did return, and he saw that it was good.  and Even
Honey did return, and he looked upon the Sinister List, and it WAS good.
and he bestowed a gold star upon his prodigal babes, and peace did reign
over the Sinister List, and Stuart Murdoch did bless His creation, and
continue to grant them heavenly songs from above.
*******************************************
with apologies, lesleyJo

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No bachelor has ever experienced such desolate loneliness as does the
spinster; for the bachelor is a man, and the older spinster but a male-like
woman.
--Dr. Joseph Tanenbaum, _The Riddle of Woman_, 1936


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From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 19 03:03:45 1999
From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 03:03:45 +0000
Subject: Sinister: lonely oxen
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From horst at xxx.br  Tue Jan 19 03:58:29 1999
From: horst at xxx.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Henrique_Horst?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:58:29 -0200
Subject: Sinister: To Gabi and Tara
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Oi,

since you seem to appreciate it..... 
 
 
"Had I been treated differently by the newspapers in England and in this country, had I been commended and endorsed, for the first time in my life I should have doubted myself and my mission...What possible difference can it make to me what the New York Herald says ? You go and look at the statue of the Venus de Milo and you know that it is an exquisitely beautiful creation. Would it change your opinion in the least if all the newspapers in the land should pronounce it a wretched caricature ? Not at all. I know that I am right, that I have a mission to perform. I am indestructible!" 
 
Wilde, in a letter to Rochester Democrat and Chronicle. February 1882.


Now, seriously, B&S on French TV ? Someone please record it in NTSC and send the tape to me. I'd sell my only sister for it. And I'd deliver her !!! Toute de suite.

On the Brit Awards subject....wasn't it Rolling Stone magazine I would have never heard of If You're Feeling Sinister back in 97. Right, they're not newcomers, Pulp weren't (what to say of Cornershop then ?), but someone still deserves to know them. Be famous, get fat and tour around Brazil !!!

"All I wanted was to sing the saddest songs
If somebody sings along I will be happy now". 

Um beijo,
Jh






 
 
 
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Jan 19 09:56:43 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:56:43 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Kate Jugsy's Massive Rugs
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Good morrow!

ROD BEGBIE

The other day I was listening to the 1991 top twenty on the BBC, and
there was a new entry for EMF and "Unbelievable", followed by another
new entry for Jesus Jones and their "International Bright Young
Things". For some reason, these two records reminded me of Rod Begbie,
and how desolate and windswept the list is without him. Rod is abroad,
so I'm sure he listens to the BBC World Service, which just happens to
have launched a new request show, "Wright Around the World",
introduced by Steve Wright, formerly of "Steve Wright in the
Afternoon", which had us all in stitches throughout the eighties.
Denim were on it once, and they all laughed at poor old Lawrence, just
like in the school playground all those years ago. But I digress. What
I was thinking was, one of us (probably me) could send in a request
for Rod on behalf of the whole list, asking him to find a window in
his busy schedule and come back to the list. We could even request a
B&S song, although that would probably ensure failure. However, if we
told Steve Wright about "Popgob" it would probably be a winner,
because it's a very Steve Wrightish sense of humour. So, that's my
plan. I just thought I'd ask in case anyone objects to being "outed"
in such a way.

IN SEARCH OF PANTNESS

All this talk of underwear! I don't know where to look! Personally, I
like to walk around as nature intended, wearing pants AND a vest. I'm
sure all you gentlemen know what I mean. Ladies! Don't leave home
without first donning a pair of panty-gurdles.

VILLA PARK HALL OF FAME

I have no idea what happened to Jimmy Riddle and Nigel Spunk, but I do
know that Tony Barton, who performed a monkey's function at Villa park
after Ron Saunders went off sulking, at least according to Ron
Saunders, had a heart attack or something, and generally had a rough
old time of it, bless him. Still I'd rather have a heart attack AND a
European Cup winner's medal than no heart attack and no medal. I
think.

OH THE SNOT HAS CAKED AGAINST HIS "PANTS"

Arthur Lee. I bet hundreds of people have answered that question
overnight. Mr Lee is regarded as eccentric by the music press, as
opposed to mentally ill, because it's funnier. One of his funnier
exploits, according to the aforementioned muisc press, was to wake up
in his van on tour in Britain, just as it was pulling into a petrol
station on the motorway. "Wow!" said Arthur, "So this is Liverpool,
the home of tthe Beatles!"

Well I thought it was funny anyway.

ROBERT McRAGTAG

I thought Robert's quiz was splendid, especially the funeral bit. I
would have enjoyed it even more if I'd known it was going to cause
such outrage. Robert, I'm afraid I didn't tape that Yé Yé programme. I
tried to, but it's been so long since I used the damn video that I
couldn't rememebr how to do it. We have to swap leads around or
something. At any rate, the other day I tried to make it sound better
than it was, they were only little ten second clips of performances,
quite frustrating really, becasue Lulu was just beginning to get
really psyched up. Or out. But there was an amusing social commentary
song about a girl walking along wearing a mini skirt that kept getting
more and more mini as she walked along. I'm sure it'll be repeated
soon, so I'll try and get it next time.

YÉ YÉ DRESSES

Fluffy, aren't they Yé Yé dresses that you drew on the female members
of Melys when you sent me that fantastic picture?

GIRL GROUP FRENZY

I bought a girl group thing the other week too. It's called "Playin'
Hard to Get" and it is quite hard to get, I don't really get it at
all. Perhaps I should listen to it some more.

RUNNING OUT OF THINGS TO SAY

It's getting quite obvious, so I'll wend my merry way to the toilet,
where I'm sure I'll be welcome.

Sister Disco

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From esincoff at xxx.com  Tue Jan 19 14:58:51 1999
From: esincoff at xxx.com (Ethan Sincoff)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:58:51 -0500
Subject: Sinister: hi sinister list
Message-ID: <36A49DAB.A76DD069@icon.com>


hey kids

I have not posted in a bit... i have just read your listings  w/ a smile

however, I must say that I was listening to sinister the other night,
while perhaps not in the right "chemical frame of mind"

What a groovy way to chill on a rainy night !  Can anyone else share any
possible  drug experience stories regarding B&S??

cya

Ethan

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From bp224996 at xxx.edu  Tue Jan 19 15:19:01 1999
From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick <> Sandcastle Records)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:19:01 -0500
Subject: Sinister: The Undergarments Hit the Fan
Message-ID: <36A4A265.849F2ED4@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>


Hello List,
	In case anyone is wondering where I've been (though I truly doubt
anyone is, humor me) Magnetic Megan has distracted me for a week, and
I'm only now catching up. In fact, if I owe you an e-mail, that is why,
and tonight I endeavour to remedy that situation. Hm, The Weather
Channel reports that we are close to being in flood conditions here.
Lovely. 
	So, the first two weeks of 1999 were glorious, and the third was
underwear. Really, hasn't this gone a little bit far? Please stop, or
start an underwear list, as I'm getting dizzy. Nextly, in reply...
	
Matthew Andrew writes: 
> Does anybody else feel Stereolab and Belle & Sebastian are "related?" > I thought I was the only one, or at least the only one in  Texas.  I 
> listen to both of them obsessively.  I've just joined your group, 
> sorry if I'm repeating things.

	I dunno about "related" (or really what that would entail, exactly) but
I must say the faster session version of Sleep the Clock Around always
reminded me of Stereolab. Maybe that's why they slowed it down and added
bagpipes.

Lesley Jo wrote:
> in the context of what he's
> saying, do all these fun things, because you can and because they're 
> cool. but at the end he says "you know the world was made for men, but > not us" --at least that's what i thought he said in Tigermilk, but on > the live one i heard last night, he said "AND not us".
> Does that mean that he's speaking as a girl in the song?  what does 
> that mean to anyone out there   who has thought about it?  i'm really > curious what you think, or if i just odnt' know what i'm talking 
> about.   Talk amongst yoursellves, i'll wait.

	Well, I for one always thought this was the evidence in support of the
fact that Stuart writes some songs in the perspective of females, or
other people. I think it's a perfectly good example.

Alexis Petridis wrote: 
> Does anybody know anything about this dancey versh of B&S? Let me know > if you do. This must be investigated further. Unless Paul Dean's 
> taking the piss and I'm being really dim about it. Hmm.

	Maybe they're referring to "Electronic Renaissance"? Idunno about a
version, but it's certainly very dancey, in addition to being lovely.
	And before I leave, I finally got to hear a Hefner song, and was rather
disappointed. Maybe it was a bad example of their songs, I don't know,
but it sounded absolutely nothing like B&S, I will say. Something akin
to the Violent Femmes if you ask me. Or maybe no one was ever saying
they ever sounded like B&S, I can't recall...
	Okay, well I probably have more things to say, but I'm hungry and I
have class soon, so I'd best be off. Ta-ta
 
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From mmorr776 at xxx.edu  Tue Jan 19 15:47:07 1999
From: mmorr776 at xxx.edu (Morrissey, Matthew Z)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:47:07 -0600
Subject: Sinister:  you shone louder, longer
Message-ID: <73B29DE0C446D21193CE080009EE3503CE1F6B@ems7.uwsp.edu>


i was on the sofa hidden deep...
i wanted to nap you see.  she was watching me.  we were once a thing that
some people call a couple others call it dating.  i called it a thing.  but
now we're a different thing called friends.  so i went to visit her at her
quaint little apartment in a metro area.  it would have been a splendid
visit if only i could have shaken the retched cloud of depression from me
those few days.  a nice weekend with coffee and stories would have been
nice.  instead i forced my sentences.  laughed at the wrong times.  i was a
mess.  and now...now! now what do i do? you see i left in such a hurry, i
was afraid of making it worse.  she has other friends with whom she can
spend her time with and have drinks and share funny stories.  aye, but
lonely, diminished me decided to leave in my car.  the ride home was dark
and wintry.  i wished i was still napping.  
if you read this jen, when i think of how to say sorry without saying sorry
i'll write again.  maybe you didn't mind?  i thought the irony of ironies
would be to post this.  

oh and i wear boxers.  
sorry for all the trouble i've caused...

-----Original Message-----
From: Bellequasi at xxx.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 1999 7:12 PM
To: sinister at majordomo.net
Subject: Sinister: i'm just a TAD bored



 hello, i know i never write but oh well i thought i'd change my evil ways.
i
read the messages for all you who might not believe me, i just don't have a
lot to say i guess.  well just to tell you all i'm almost done with my
school
project comparing Tibet and Sweden.  I also got a job which i forgot to
announce to everyone.  i also got magnet in the mail and they have  a top
ten
artists of the year.  i think we all can guess who's included in this list.
there's a cute black and white photo of a very adorable looking stuart.
just
thought i'd tell you all.  now i guess i should find something to do.  oh
yes
i've just developed this terrible cough and i had a fever yesterday.  just
thought i'd tell you all.

kristie and her pembroke welsh corgi reggie
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From Scott_Turner at xxx.COM  Tue Jan 19 16:07:35 1999
From: Scott_Turner at xxx.COM (Scott Turner)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:07:35 -0500
Subject: Sinister: "Men"
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"Lesley Jo wrote:
> in the context of what he's
> saying, do all these fun things, because you can and because they're
> cool. but at the end he says "you know the world was made for men, but >
not us" --at least that's what i thought he said in Tigermilk, but on > the
live one i heard last night, he said "AND not us".


I always loved that ending. I prefer to read it not as Stuart speaking as a
girl (which of course he does alot), but instead as Stuart's worldview as a
bit different than that of a "man". "Man" here being different than simply
"male" (which is having the proper genitalia), but "man" signifying the
common Macho- business - boy -fully -competent-a t-all-things-manly type of
social construction (social gender and genetic sexuality don't need to be
identical). I think stuey and the b&s ethic are a pretty good expression of
something different than the "world made for men". Don't ya think?


.scott





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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 19 16:17:54 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:17:54 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: That fortunate ending
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Hello sinisterines :

I have been keeping lots of your messages in my Default mailbox in order
not to forget some questions or threads risen in them,but then ,when I
finally post something I keep on forgetting all the quotes I should keep
in mind and just something totally 'unconnected' (or should it be
'disconnected'?) Autism,it is called.

Just something about this topic of the day : and 'Not US'. My critical
interpretation ? I must confess both ideas have come to me when listening
to the song : I sometimes believed the world was not made for men like
little Stu,that's it, men not drooling over the hottest of the
hostest,Melinda,of course,( Louise : I normally needn't wearing any top
too, Melinda can't,ho ho ho!) and not spending the whole of the weekly
wage on Newcastle pints on Friday nights while telling dirty jokes.Other
times, 'US' was closest to the meaning of 'women', and I don't know if I
am in a feminist mood today, but that's my final conclusion about it.


'And not US' is said, but 'And not for US' , so we are not made for men,
while the world is. It sounds like some embittered (with good reasons to
be embittered,probably)spinster advising a young broken heart girl.Like
Miss Havisham bringing up Estella before she was old enough to get her
heart broken by anyone. But embittered and all, there is something really
touching in that line , as well as in Miss Havisham's character.We descend
from a world where nothing was left to women, no opportunities, no
pleasures, no choices...Leslie Jo's signature is there to remind us those
lovely repressed times

Nothing else after my Modern Girl speech, eh? 

Promise to be 'lighter' next time

Tu chica ye-ye

Arantxa




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From asbuch at xxx.edu  Tue Jan 19 16:41:00 1999
From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:41:00 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: a midwestern travelogue
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990117194220.27013A-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>


Well, we're finally back in Ann Arbor for good, having collected our
worldly possessions from Public Storage and going through hell in Chicago
trying to do that.

Words cannot describe how the past two weeks have affected my emotional
state. First we left Los Angeles for Michigan to look for apartments, on
the heels of the big storm. Luckily we were cruising through New Mexico
when the worst ice was hitting the midwest, but on the night we made it
into Eastern Michigan, the ditch in between the two highway lanes looked
like a used car lot and our car was madly flailing on the ice (well,
maybe not "madly flailing", but it was certainly swimming). We stayed
in our last motel about 60 miles out of Ann Arbor, too afraid to go on. 
The next day we checked into the scariest Days Inn I've ever seen
(Carpenter St., anyone?), scraping ice off our windshield every
morning so we could go to Dennys and then meet with apartment managers.
Let me describe this Days Inn. It had about 400 rooms and 7 guests (Jack
Nicholson was not one of them). Each room had some variation of badly
peeling wallpaper. There was a pool which was never cleaned, a hotub that
was worse, and a sauna that looked as if it had a bad case of wood rot.
The dryer broke as soon as I used it, and I got sick after eating in the
restaurant. I never thought I'd say this, but we should've picked Motel 6. 

After a week we of searching, we found a place, a very nice place I might
add. They gave us a sofa and for the first time in my life I have a
dishwasher. Whole Foods is a stone's throw from our building. Every minute
was joyous, until we decided to go to Chicago and try to pick up our junk.
We stupidly decided to take the skyway into the city, and nearly skidded
off a high ramp in Gary, Indiana. Anyone who has ever lived in Chicagoland
will attest to the fact that scary things always seem scarier in Gary.

The U-Haul place we were promised was not open. All we discovered when we
arrived (in the pouring
rain) was a cheesy looking old gas station and a pay phone next to a block
of ice. I immediately got on it and started bitching them out. I got us a truck and 60 free miles. So
we get to Public Storage with 50 minutes to unpack our two large 
containers into the truck. Then we get on the 94 freeway east, it was one
big pothole. It was like driving on the moon. I was so shaken when I got
off the damned freeway that I ran a red light and got pulled over. The
stupid Chicago policeman forgot to return my drivers license.

Today we get to finish unloading our truck and that'll be it. Hopefully
the big patch of ice outside our doorstep won't get us. And to think I
spent the first 25 years of my life in L.A! Oh well, life is pretty good
otherwise. I like Ann Arbor a lot, and am sure I will come to apppreciate
the town a lot more once I can see it. 

A word of advice, never move in the winter if you live in the midwest.

Back to the boxes. 


Heather Marie Propes   asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu       

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From C.Timmins at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 19 16:46:11 1999
From: C.Timmins at xxx.uk (Claire M Timmins)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:46:11 GMT
Subject: Sinister: and they thought it would never last
Message-ID: <1E1F11C0147@arts.gla.ac.uk>


GGGGGGOOOOOOOOOODDDDDEEVVVVVEEEEENNNNNNINNNNNg SSINISSSSSTER

well well well,

It has come to this, pants pants pants. Pj pinning for begbie. B&S 
nominated for best newcomer and I just couldn't stay away.Boy.
welcome and happy new year chums. I was willing to desert you as I 
had moved back to the bosom of the west end of glasgow but it appears 
that my new found employment isn't as much fun as I thought and that 
, hey I guess I kinda missed youse.

Hello and thanks to all that suplied me tapes. Anything happening in 
Edinburgh tonight as I have to drive through in an hour?

I have nothing to divulge concerning the aforementioned band but I 
did see Stevie yesterday.

Great this means that I can join in on those infamous meet ups and 
maybe even meet my list crush. I never thought life would get this 
good again.  phew, better go back to segmenting my delicious 
Glaswegian speech samples before this all gets too much for me.
looking forward to many fun and special times once more,

love Claire
Claire Timmins
Leverhulme Research Assistant,
Department of English Language,
12 University Gardens,
University of Glasgow,
Glasgow G12 8QQ.
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From bobbins2000 at xxx.com  Tue Jan 19 17:12:50 1999
From: bobbins2000 at xxx.com (Beth Tilston)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:12:50 PST
Subject: Sinister: Widdly!
Message-ID: <19990119171251.20775.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello fluffy bunnies!

Just got a little anecdote 4 you.  I will keep it short.  

 I was in my local indie dive last night when 'The boy with the arab 
strap' was played.  My friend (who is worryingly in to heavy metal) goes 
" they're a very widdly band, aren't they!".  Well, what can you say to 
a comment like that?

 Hope it made you chuckle,

     Love Beth XXXXXX  8)

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From bellefish at xxx.com  Tue Jan 19 18:32:11 1999
From: bellefish at xxx.com (sarah morgenstein)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:32:11 PST
Subject: Sinister: yummy (how id describe a hummus and cuke sandwich)
Message-ID: <19990119183211.28606.qmail@hotmail.com>


hello all...im back at school so i just got thru the last 3 digests, its 
been hectic but joyous. yesterday was unseasonal for winter. it poured 
buckets and then there was thunder and lightening, quite odd, perhaps it 
was a signal pertaining to lesly jo's biblical writeup. lesley jo, you 
always write the most creative things and i thoroughly enjoy reading 
them, many gold stars to you. so did i ever mention that my mum has her 
own copy of if yr feeling sinister? she loves it, its so cute, i have to 
get her to listen to the boy... somebody mentioned stereolab and ill 
agree that i think of it in relation to sleep the clock around but 
otherwise... its off in a league of its own, more pretty stuff 
especially the song check and double check, see them live and you wont 
believe yr eyes, such harmony... at the risk of sounding ignorant, ah 
well, what is a ye ye dress please? and if this is explained earlier on, 
please say so and ill look it up, thanks for yr patience! today i wear 
red undergarments with a tiny frog stiched on the side and i definitely 
do not coordinate with the top half of me, some stupid oppressive white 
lacey thing. baaahhhh!! (as my friend teddy would so, hes fond of punk 
rock) bye for now fellow b&s friends and gretchen, how are you enjoying 
yr fieldmice? 
yr sleepy pal, sarah

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From gary at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 19 19:09:35 1999
From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:09:35 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Can't think of one.
In-Reply-To: <199901181755.RAA26084@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <000001be43df$40df5a20$7f9793c3@whelan>


Hello all,

Mr John "JJ" Johnston wrote...

>"This weekend I have been mostly listening to .... Lloyd Cole" and very
>nice it was too. But listening to "Are you ready to be heartbroken"
>prompted a question in my mind...  who was Arthur Lee and what were his
>records like? I'm sure you can put me straight.

I liked the boy Coles work with the Commotions, damn fine and very under
rated band that they were, but had to give up on his solo stuff after I
found "Don't Get Weird on me Babe" to be amongst the worst records ever
made.

As for Arthur Lee, well Weeweejay beat me too it, but it brought back tales
of a journalist who's name escapes me, who followed Arthur around the UK
while he was on tour. They were on the way to Liverpool of all places when
they had to pull over to get petrol (that's gas for the non UK birthed
members of the list). After pulling into the motorway services, Arthur
stepped out of the van, pulled off one of the two pairs of shades he was
wearing that day and said something along the lines of, "So this is where
the Beatles are from then, far out". He never was the full quid apparently.

Bye bye everybody, bye bye

Gary


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From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 19 20:05:48 1999
From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:05:48 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Thank-you tiggers
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From bkim0 at xxx.edu  Tue Jan 19 22:07:36 1999
From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:07:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Thoughts while staring at my Smiths poster
Message-ID: <199901192207.RAA24768@dept.english.upenn.edu>


I started thinking while I was staring at the large _Rank_ poster on my
wall that maybe Belle and Sebastian are naming a lot of their songs with
parts of other Smiths songs.  I could be wrong, since the Smiths wrote
songs in English as do Belle and Sebastian and hence there could be a lot
of overlap in words used, but bear with me here, I'm trying to put
together a shaky conspiracy theory.

Obviously there's 

THE BOY WITH THE ARAB STRAP = THE BOY WITH THE THORN IN HIS SIDE

but then there's

IS IT WICKED NOT TO CARE? = IS IT REALLY SO STRANGE?

both with question marks in the title, mind you.

FOX IN THE SNOW = GIRLFRIEND IN A COMA

THE ROLLERCOASTER RIDE = THE DRAIZE TRAIN


You know what, maybe there was nothing to this.  But then again, maybe
that's what they want us to think.

Xavier, "juiced" by the last (and finally good) X-Files episode 

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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Wed Jan 20 00:55:47 1999
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:55:47 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Velvet Pants
Message-ID: <199901191956_MC2-6745-BD2D@compuserve.com>


Salut My Gauche Chums,

Some of this list has been pretty pants (geddit?) lately - where's Brad
when you need him, to post a nailmail about which colours and styles give
him the biggest stiffy, or which fabrics retain their aromas for longest.
That might put a stop to people disclosing what they wear to cover their
bits to 800+ strangers.

Mrs. Murdoch - your Stuart must have a pretty big arse to get all of John
3:16 on the back of his skiddies. Those silver trousers must be very
deceptive. But I guess that verse does kinda sum it all up, and saves you
reading the rest of the Book. 

I'm with lesleyjo: respect to Genevieve for the Stuart sizzling hot to trot
belly story, and to Tag for the questionnaire (what does a minus score
indicate?)

Senor Miller wrote of Arthurly, who is (apparently) normal and certainly
wants his freedom: once he wore only one shoe for a year and a half.

Pete Waterman's son gave my wife one of his chocolate salty balls to eat
the other day, but it was a bit stale.

Off to do the Garbage arena experience at Wembley tomorrow -
fashion/Shirley Manson underwear report to follow if you're lucky.


Bonsoir,

David Moore
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From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com  Wed Jan 20 02:56:17 1999
From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:56:17 EST
Subject: Sinister: interesting post about B&S on a "drone music' list
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<<>
>Finally, if someone really wants to take issue, why hasn't anyone 
mentioned the appearance of 
>Belle & Sebastian in each of the last two year's top tens?  I like them 
a lot, but they're 
>certainly not drone (and a lot less drone than NMH).  But if a 
cross-section of our subscribers 
>find them of value, that in itself says something worth documenting.
>
>Man does not live on drone alone,
>
>Glen
>

B & S not drone?  Fair enough, but I just directed their music video for 
"dirty dream number two" and snuck in portraits of Scott Spillane, 
Julian Koster, Robbie Music Tapes, Will Cullen Hart, and the newly 
contoversial Jeff Mangum as a ghost, which should significantly up their 
drone credentials.  Or not, as some posters would argue.  Seriously 
though, it should begin airing in France and Italy soon, and if Matador 
decide to push it in the states I will post again for anyone curious to 
see it.
>>

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From CAMAIANI at xxx.de  Wed Jan 20 07:14:16 1999
From: CAMAIANI at xxx.de (CAMAIANI)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:14:16 +0100
Subject: Sinister: new member?!?
Message-ID: <528D5DD68CA@cdmail.ub.uni-duesseldorf.de>


Hi there,
I'm Elena from Germany. I love Belle and Sebastian and I am extremly 
happy to find that list in the web.
Is there anyone else from good old Germany - aeh, is there anyone 
else out of the lovely England?
Here in Germany is scarcely (?) nothing happening around B&S - a 
great great pity!!!

Yours writing soon Elena
**********************************************************

Elena Camaiani (Dipl. Bibl.)

Auskunft, Lesegeschoss O1

Universitaets- und Landesbibliothek Duesseldorf
Universitaetsstr. 1
40225 Duesseldorf

Tel.: 0211/81-14708

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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Wed Jan 20 09:49:03 1999
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:49:03 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: new member?!?
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Hi gang (cos we are a gang arent we, like a big group of crime
fighting monkeys on rollerskates)

Just thought id write and tell you all that i saw mercury rev last
night and they were tip top. A lot of the songs sounded completely
different from on the album but at the same time the same.And they
pretty much stuck to the album for the set-list too which was good for
us who only got into them since deserters songs. They also did a
beautiful version of into my arms by nick cave and as an encore ripped
into cortez the killer by neil young. Jonothan, the lead singer looks
like a strange genetic experiment between joey from blossom (the
reformed alcoholic one) and pinnochio. The bloke standing next to me
was being a twat all night distracting him so during an instrumental
bit j (as i like to call him as i consider us friends now since i
stood quite near him) went to our side of the stage, stared at the
bloke, smiled a big shit-eating grin and just mouthed 'your a loser,
your such a loser' which amused me for the rest of the night.

Erm, what else? You know when you go to the record shop and on the bus
you think of all the records you want but as soon as you step through
the shop door you cant remember anything you want and just end up
wandering around like a small boy in a furniture shop? I'm getting
that feeling now. So i'll be off, sorry if this whole post was
irelevent to everyone on the list but i had to tell someone

Rich

'screw you guys, i'm going home' - Eric Cartman

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From keith at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 20 10:09:10 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:09:10 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Right enough!
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FOX IN THE SNOW = GIRLFRIEND IN A COMA

Christ - you've got it! With these we can indeed prove they took it all from
the Smiths. However I was thinking, the only thing common here is the word
"in" so in that case, maybe they're ripping off "Living in a box" by Living
in a box! Indeed "Box even rhymes with "Fox" (as in in the Snow). Christ -
if I keep on going on with this, Box, begins with "B" followed by "IN the
snow", put these two together, you've got "BIN" - yes - you've won Dusty
Bin!

	Peter, we used to have several people at school who we called Joe 90. I
doubt if that happens any more, not least cause Joe 90 isn't on the telly
any more, but also because of the sad passing of the British Institution
that was National Health Service Specs. I wish they'd bring them back, so
stylish.

	I walked down the mound in Edinburgh today past the site where the Scottish
Parliament will temporarily rest till it moves to Holyrood. They were
talking about where the MP's would go for a drink the other day, although
they were concentrating on when it moves to Holyrood. However, the only near
place for the MP's to go for a drink next to the temporary Parliament, is as
place called the Car Wash, which is this funny retro 60's pub just next to
the building. That should turn that place into a strange mix of people
indeed.


And Tag, thought of another question for the quiz. I think we need to keep
adding to it. This one concerns your feelings of Alanis Morissette. I had to
ask this as I know you're a big fan of Canadians as well as the French (for
all the new people, Tag is a massive fan of Johnny Halliday and Jean-Michele
Jarre).

So... Alanis Morissette, does she...

a) Feel your pain and has done a lot for women all over the world
b) Understand what irony is and isn't afraid to demonstrate it
c) Make you laugh lots

Cheers,
  Keith.


Ps : Claire - sorry, didn't read mail last night, however, not much went on
last night here as far as I know....




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From C.Timmins at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 20 10:25:20 1999
From: C.Timmins at xxx.uk (Claire M Timmins)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:25:20 GMT
Subject: Sinister: funky, funky get a little funky now
Message-ID: <1F39A265432@arts.gla.ac.uk>


Firstly does anyone want to sell me a set of good speakers for £60?

Also just have to say that Trouble man-Marvin Gaye is a great Cd. And 
it slots in nicely to todays funk/soul session in the english lang 
dept. at Glasgow Uni. Along with soul diva, Aretha and "WHoah", 
Superfly -Curtis Mayfield. I wish I could invite you all along to the 
party as it is absolutely freezing and the body heat would go down a 
treat. Hmmmmm.

What a great day...
Claire
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From keith at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 20 10:26:43 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:26:43 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Right enough!
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Oddly enough, I just did a web search on NHS specs to see if there was
anything interesting, and what comes up the top of the hits but...
(Well, after Showaddywaddy anyway for some strange reason).

http://www.begbie.com/rod/photos/nhs.html

Cheers,
  Keith.


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From macarthur at xxx.com  Wed Jan 20 12:28:23 1999
From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:28:23 -0000
Subject: Sinister: what's your favorite animal?
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well, hello there again....

nearly too scared to write again but i thought I'd pop my head round the
door and slip this post in while I'm still in teendom.
I love stories about other people's travels, as it reminds you of your own.
Bill Bryson is proving hard to get into, i wonder has anyone on the list
read all of his travel books? I've just started on the brit book.....maybe
Bill Bryson is a little flat for sinisterines? I was biting my lip to stop
from laughing while reading it sitting on the tube on saturday, wondering
if anyone noticed. People don't seem to like it if you show any kind of
emotion on trains, they want to sit grey-faced and silent, willing the
journey to end. I quite like having 7 stops to go, wondering how many pages
I'll get through. I tried to lend my youthful white smile to as many people
as possible, people seem too depressed for winter...don't they see that
this is the best season? The season for red cheeks and jumping in and out
of big furry coats and not having to worry about the social calendar? well,
it beats barbeques and rounders in the park in my book, I'd much rather sit
inside rubbing my hands together and pulling on another pair of socks.
That's another reason why winter is so great, the oppertunity to wear lots
of clothes , and to indulge the list's recent trend, wear nice undies
underneath layers and layers of clothes.

Wondering back home from the station, I was humming seymour stein to
myself, finding it almost impossible not to burst into song, but it was my
new year's resolution to give up singing while I'm walking down the street
on my own, people have seen me from cars and asked me if I was talking to
myself in a dramatic manner!

I'm only 61 pages into my Steven Fry book (moab is my washpot) and he's
already mentioned monkies...my favorite. what's yours?

love Erica

p.s who is going to the poetry cafe on friday?

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From bkim0 at xxx.edu  Wed Jan 20 15:03:45 1999
From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:03:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Fox in a box
Message-ID: <199901201503.KAA48038@dept.english.upenn.edu>


Keith wrote:

 Indeed "Box even rhymes with "Fox" (as in in the Snow). Christ -
if I keep on going on with this, Box, begins with "B" followed by "IN the
snow", put these two together, you've got "BIN" - yes - you've won Dusty
Bin!     

--
My friend, welcome to the world of semiotics, proving nothing can
mean anything...in this case, used for evil purposes instead of good.  For
a further example:

And what is in the bin?  "Trash," covered by Morrissey.  (or, some could
argue, comprising most of Morrissey's output--I'd definitely put _Kill
Uncle_ in that bin)  

[B]elle and Sebast[i]a[n]

And on a non-B&S-related note, what does "Ask" spell out in an anagram?
"Ska," which could explain Morrissey's unreciprocated affinity for the
skins.

Facetiously,

Xavier
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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Wed Jan 20 15:13:33 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:13:33 EST
Subject: Sinister: new member?!?
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In a message dated 1/20/99 2:16:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
CAMAIANI at cdmail.ub.uni-duesseldorf.de writes:

<< Is there anyone else from good old Germany - aeh, is there anyone 
 else out of the lovely England? >>

I'm new to the list, and am not from England.. not from Europe at all,
actually. I live in a small town in the US. My my, it certainly is boring,
too. Other than the fact that the local indie record store employees are
maniacal about Belle & Sebastian... that always livens up my day when I go to
purchase music.
    My name is Dave, and I must say that this list seems everso much nicer
than the last list I was on. you people seem cheerful and there's not a
constant stream of flame email descending on the heads of those foolhardy
enough to write to the list.

                                                                 
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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Wed Jan 20 15:27:09 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:27:09 EST
Subject: Sinister: The glasses make the man, I think
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Keith:

your glasses are amazing. I love them. Truly you were an icon of modern
fashion even at a young age... That sort of intentional dork-look is quite
avante-garde. Witness Todd Solendz (i hope I've spelt that right) the
filmmaker. I've been looking for a pair of glasses like that for some time..
for some reason they are never sold around here.

                        bother
                                  Dave
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From Mark at xxx.com  Wed Jan 20 15:22:57 1999
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:22:57 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Too orangey for crows (slight return)
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Hullo, fellow Torquay United fans:

Scott said of "We Rule the School":

I prefer to read it not as Stuart speaking as a 
girl (which of course he does alot), but instead as Stuart's worldview as a 
bit different than that of a "man". "Man" here being different than simply 
"male" (which is having the proper genitalia), but "man" signifying the 
common Macho- business - boy -fully -competent-a t-all-things-manly type of 
social construction (social gender and genetic sexuality don't need to be 
identical). I think stuey and the b&s ethic are a pretty good expression of 
something different than the "world made for men". Don't ya think? 

Absolutely. I never got the impression that he was being a female at all,
but rather that it never even occurred to him that he could be considered a
"man", which for me has as much a sense of convention as machismo. It also
could be a rejection of responsibility, coupled with the wistful nostalgia
over school days (I find it a little too cloying to envisage Stuart
picturing himself as a schoolboy once more) - he seems to be equating
growing up with being no longer able to do things like ice skating, which is
a fine analogy, in my opinion. 

Nostalgia - a nice place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there,
etc...

The Stereolab/B&S connection, to me, seems to be both bands' debt to the
Velvet Underground and it's constituent members - Mo Tucker's sparse, simple
songs do have something in common with Isobel's, even if it is a lazy
comparison. I agree with the Sleep the Clock Around similarities, and would
add the start of Tyjamas and Electronic Renaissance, not to mention the
Sister Ray in miniature that Judy is trying to be before dissolving into a
gorgeous winsome singalong. But the most important thing that simply has to
be said is BUY THE FIRST STEREOLAB ALBUM, "PENG!", as it is utterly
fantastic, nowhere near as poncey and self-indulgent as their more recent
drum'n'jazz noodlings, much as I like them, and sounds the most like B&S
(just about). It is the only album in the world as good as Tigermilk, even
if it lags just that crucial bit behind IYFS.

That's all, really. Except to say to Mick that he must, must persevere with
Hefner who are simply beautiful - sell your kidneys to get the "Breaking
God's Heart" album of last year. I promise you, it'll make you come.
Buckets.

Se you on Friday,
Salvatore "The Marsupial" Del Fantone


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From WeeChrisBS at xxx.com  Wed Jan 20 15:49:26 1999
From: WeeChrisBS at xxx.com (WeeChrisBS at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:49:26 EST
Subject: Sinister: I would tell you what I'm thinking but it never seems to do you good
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Hello list,

First of all... I Have a question for the people who live In the U.K. since I
may be going To London( I hoooope) this summer  I would like to know when the
Glastbury(I think I spelled that Right) Fest. happense this year or Will it
happen at all ? anyone know Who will be playing? 

Second Question... When will the New Blur album come out?

eek I know thoese Questions weren't B&S related but You guys are much nicer
then other Bllocks on other Mailing list. ....Boo To The Other Mailing List
World... Yay To the Sinister Mailing List World.. Ok I'll shut up now cos I
have to go to school to do !@#$%^&* Finals plus make the ones up yesterday cos
I was sick ick... Then I go to Work and Put The boss one The Ground with judo
and get fired...

and My B&S content is that I am listening to String Bean Jean now and I'm
going to listen to my Tigermilk tape in the car. weeeeeeeeeee

-Damon
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From lyricjunkie at xxx.com  Wed Jan 20 18:37:15 1999
From: lyricjunkie at xxx.com (headrush city)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:37:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: I would tell you what I'm thinking but it never seems to do you good
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Hey everyone. Hope you're keeping warm and cosy.


---WeeChrisBS at aol.com wrote:
 
> I Have a question for the people who live In the U.K. since I
> may be going To London( I hoooope) this summer  I would like to know
when the
> Glastbury(I think I spelled that Right) Fest. happense this year or
Will it
> happen at all ? anyone know Who will be playing? 

Glastonbury is *probably* going to be on June 25, 26 and 27 this year.
They usually wait for O and A Levels to finish, so if there's exams
after those dates they might hold the festival the next weekend. I'm
also hoping to get there this year, the threat of mud-pool inducing
rain doesn't scare me, oh no. Anyone else on the list planning to go?
 Don't suppose we can start hoping B&S will play? The bands playing
aren't announced in advance - you only know once you're there and you
get the programme. You can expect a pretty good line-up, though, and
lots of less prominent bands on the smaller stages. There are always
rumours about who might be playing, and Michael Eavis(the
organiser)has said there's a good chance REM will be there this year.
Other big name rumours are Radiohead, Rolling Stones and(erk)Metallica.
 
> Second Question... When will the New Blur album come out?

In March, preceded by a single, "Tender" on the 1st of the same month.
The album's called "13". 

Glad I could help. 

  Love and hot blackcurrant juice,
     Natasha 
                         ~*~ 

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Jeff Buckley







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From lyricjunkie at xxx.com  Wed Jan 20 18:36:18 1999
From: lyricjunkie at xxx.com (headrush city)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:36:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: I would tell you what I'm thinking but it never seems to do you good
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---WeeChrisBS at aol.com wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> I Have a question for the people who live In the U.K. since I
> may be going To London( I hoooope) this summer  I would like to know
when the
> Glastbury(I think I spelled that Right) Fest. happense this year or
Will it
> happen at all ? anyone know Who will be playing? 

Glastonbury is *probably* going to be on June 25, 26 and 27 this year.
They usually wait for O and A Levels to finish, so if there's exams
after those dates they might hold the festival the next weekend. I'm
also hoping to get there this year, the threat of mud-pool inducing
rain doesn't scare me, oh no. Anyone else on the list planning to go?
 Don't suppose we can start hoping B&S will play? The bands playing
aren't announced in advance - you only know once you're there and you
get the programme. You can expect a pretty good line-up, though, and
lots of less prominent bands on the smaller stages. There are always
rumours about who might be playing, and Michael Eavis(the
organiser)has said there's a good chance REM will be there this year.
Other big name rumours are Radiohead, Rolling Stones and(erk)Metallica.
 
> Second Question... When will the New Blur album come out?

In March, preceded by a single, "Tender" on the 1st of the same month.
The album's called "13". 

Glad I could help. 

  Love and hot blackcurrant juice,
     Natasha 
                         ~*~ 

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Jeff Buckley







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From alexis at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 20 19:00:22 1999
From: alexis at xxx.uk (Alexis Petridis)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:00:22 +0000
Subject: Sinister: b&s on drugs?
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Ethan Sincoff wrote:
 however, I must say that I was listening to sinister the other night, while
perhaps not in the right "chemical frame of mind"  What a groovy way to
chill on a rainy night !  Can anyone else share any possible  drug
experience stories regarding B&S??

Shamefaced though I am to admit it, I know what you mean. Obviously,
it's neither big nor clever, but (a) they sound fantastic if you've, um, had
a smoke: obviously so do most things, but there's something about the
human warmth of B&S that really comes across if you're in a more, uh,
malleable frame of mind. That's actually how I formed a sort of bond with
B&S records, listening to them after I got back from clubbing. There's
something about them that fits perfectly with that scenario, when you're
alone and awake and it's that really hushed time outside about 4-5am. The
sort of resigned sadness in something like Judy And The Dream Of Horses
really seeps through, and the music's just perfect, really warm sounding...
you do tend to be terribly receptive to emotional music in those
circumstances. Anyway, their music sounds comforting and lovely. And I
suppose that's why they sound good on drugs.

Mick McMick wrote:
 Maybe they're referring to "Electronic Renaissance"? Idunno about a
version, but it's certainly very dancey, in addition to being lovely.

Nah, it can't be that. I agree that's a beautiful record, but I want a
proper banging cheesy house version of 'The Boy With The Arab Strap'. With a
rave "diva" hollering out the words: "THA MAN WHO DRI-I-I-I-VES
MINICA-A-A-A-BS DAHN IN OL' COMPTON! THE AY-JUN MA-A-A-N!" etc etc. I think
that would be nicer than winning a Brit.

On my stereo: 'Frozen Warnings' by Nico. It's a laugh a minute here at
Petridis Towers. And thanks awfully to that American girl
who said the phrase "life pisses in my soup once more" made her day. That's
v. sweet. 

Am I going about contributing to this list in the right way, by the way?
Most
other new contributors seem to have posted an introductory thing about who
they are, and all I've done is bang on about Felt... 

Take care,

Alexis xxxx
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From TheeXVirus at xxx.com  Wed Jan 20 19:10:19 1999
From: TheeXVirus at xxx.com (TheeXVirus at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:10:19 EST
Subject: Sinister: b 'n s shirts etc.
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is there any sort of american distro. that carries these, maybe the buttons as
well?  $23 or whatever it came out to seems pretty steep.
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From TheeXVirus at xxx.com  Wed Jan 20 19:24:27 1999
From: TheeXVirus at xxx.com (TheeXVirus at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:24:27 EST
Subject: Sinister: b 'n s shirts etc.
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that was vague.  i was trying to get at how it's too expensive to order the
stuff from the Jeepster site.
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From nmarino at xxx.edu  Wed Jan 20 19:40:10 1999
From: nmarino at xxx.edu (Nicholas Joseph Marino)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:40:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: indie rock glasses
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Long time lurker here, brought from the shadows whereupon Someone wrote
the following in reference to the pics at
http://www.begbie.com/rod/photos/nhs.html

>your glasses are amazing. I love them. Truly you were an icon of modern
>fashion even at a young age... That sort of intentional dork-look is
>quite avante-garde. Witness Todd Solendz (i hope I've spelt that right)
>the filmmaker. I've been looking for a pair of glasses like that for some
>time..

Ah yes, the indie rock glasses.  Worn by intentional dorks (up to and
including myself) all around our book-reading, smiths-loving, worldwide
hipster community.      

The black frames and the slightly thicker than necessary lenses
(sometimes prescription, sometimes not) offer us a sinister layer of
protection from the cruel mainstream world.  

A good lot of the indie kids around my radio station wear said glasses,
and a knowing understanding is exchanged when I have mine on as well.
This is only heightened when one or more parties have dark denim jeans on,
rolled up once or twice but never more.   

Wee Chris wears them, that guy from Everclear in the Gap ad wears them,
even *horror of horrors* Leo Dicaprio has been snapped with the
specs at some ultra-swank hollywood gala.    

So yes, here's to our indie rock glasses.  May they live long with the
sight-impaired (or just plain fashionable) hipsters till our library cards
all expire.   

Sorry to pull you away from chat about unmentionables...I'll post again in
several months, as is my practice.  
Nick

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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 20 19:50:06 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:50:06 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Bill Bryson
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To whoever mentioned Bill Bryson: I get the feeling that I've read all of
his books full stop (check out "Mother Tongue", on linguistics) but I love
his new book of collected articles and must look at the Mail on Sunday to
see if he still writes them every week. I think his TV series (Sunday
nights, ITV, 7pm) is OK too, although he's a bit patronising and makes the
entire UK look like the grey hell of Bedford - having been to St Petersburg
in late December makes even Bedford feel like heaven. But I can't fault him
and he's one of those authors that I have to read over and over again...

Louise l.stanley at lse.ac.uk
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From bp224996 at xxx.edu  Wed Jan 20 21:24:25 1999
From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:24:25 -0500
Subject: Sinister: You Should All Be Murdered
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Hi Everyone,
	Oh, don't take offense at the title, I'm just in a Harvey mood after
getting a copy of London Weekend & listening to it now. A shame I
couldn't make it to the Po Caff to see him, but since I'm on another
continent...well, I digress.

Mark Casarotto writes: 

> But the most important thing that simply has to be said is BUY THE 
> FIRST STEREOLAB ALBUM, "PENG!", as it is utterly fantastic, nowhere 
> near as poncey and self-indulgent as their more recent drum'n'jazz 
> noodlings, much as I like them, and sounds the most like B&S (just > about). It is the only album in the world as good as Tigermilk, even
> if it lags just that crucial bit behind IYFS.
 
	Hm, I have to say the reverse. I always thought Peng! and the earlier
Stereolab recordings were a bit too droney for me, and I hardly ever
listen to them. However, Dots & Loops (the new "poncey" album) is my
favorite of the lot, and my flatmate's too, and they're his favorite
band. I also don't think I mentioned that B&S have definate moments
where they resemble Stereolab's predecessors, McCarthy, whom I happen to
prefer slightly. See: "Le Pastie de la Bourgeoisie," & some of the Dogs
Doing Wheelies EP. 
	And speaking of Stereolab, at the radio station I'm music director at,
today we got the new Pastels remix album. It is really quite good, I
found myself surprised at how much so, especially the evidently poncey
Stereolab remix, which has a nice flute thing going, and the remix by
John McEntire of Tortoise, who sound nothing like B&S. They thank Andy
Symington on the sleeve, as well. Why didn't he do a remix? Maybe he
could produce Alexis' banging house remix of The Boy with the Nipple
Clamps. Wait, no.
	Also, we got the new Mojave 3 album, which I myself had bought days
earlier. In case you missed hearing about it, 'twas recorded at Cava
Studios (as in "Ca va?" "Ca va.") with our favorite band's usual
producer, whatshisface, er I mean Tony Doogan, and Mick lends trumpet to
a bevy of songs. That's Mick Cooke, of course, not myself, because I've
never been to Cava and I play saxophone, not trumpet. Overall, the LP is
excellent, signifigantly better than their last, but of course nothing
like Slowdive. Soundwise it reminded me of a mix of a lot of Nick Drake,
a little B&S, some Beatles, and some miscellaneous steel pedal guitar.
Thoroughly good.
	Also forgot to mention yesterday (yet note you, I posted not until
today) that the Jeepster website has "The Gentle Waves," mentioned on
their bands page, and according to the website, it is Isobel's moniker
on her solo recordings, and there will be a single, album, and
"merchandise." I assume that will mean we can get a little plastic
Isobel who shoots Pezzes out of her mouth, and Isobel chewing gum and
all sorts of fun things like that. While I'm on this, I want some B&S
stickers. Is that too punk rock to ask? Surely I think not... 
	Lovely day today, it felt like fall after a hot and boring summer, but
it is winter, and it was winter last week, cold and snowy. In fact,
today had a little of that spring-after-winter feeling as well, so it
was a mix of both. Really the nicest of both seasons, because spring has
too much rain, and fall has...well no, fall is exceedingly nice, and
could not be encompassed in a mere balmy winter day.
	Oh, but look at my inbox... No, don't actually. I'd best go and get on
those mails (sigh) as if I didn't have things to do. At least I don't
have to start on my paper yet...

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From ar981611 at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 20 21:29:06 1999
From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:29:06 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Some Manics fans slagging off B & S
Message-ID: <36A64AA2.7D55C39B@student.paisley.ac.uk>


Hello again kids

A friend of mine, when trawling the web, came across a discussion of the
relative merits of the Manics and B&S which he thought I might be
interested in as a fan of both.  i read it, and all this has done has
continued my hatred of nearly all manics fans (who seem to think that by
listening to them they are cleverer and better people by osmosis) and
made me realise, and not for the first time, that you lot are the
loveliest people I know, as discussions of this nature on sinister would
NOT be tolerated, by honey or anyone else.

If anyone wants to laugh at these pseudo-intellectual Manics fans by
reading such gems as "B&S are crap because everyone on the internet
likes them", then I recommend you visit the following:

http://www.dejanews.com/=zzz_maf/dnquery.xp?search=thread&svcclass=dnserver&recnum=%3c36942238.0 at newsread3.dircon.co.uk%3e%231/1	

I was tempted to post a response, but I'm content to merely sit here and
laugh instead.  Sometimes that's enough, I think.

Oh, and Gary - see, we aren't the only Lloyd Cole fans left in the
world.

Finally, did everyone see in the Melody Maker's preview of the Brits
that they thought Belle & Sebastian should win the Best Newcomer Award? 
This'll be the same Belle and Sebastian they have been relentlessly
championing since....ohh, about a month ago.  And haven;t they taken an
about-turn on Gomez? 

Finally, finally... I remembered the other day in the Scotland on Sunday
review of 1998 (a reasonable Scottish Sunday newspaper which used to
mention B&S a fair bit in the old days before all their decent music
writers vanished) they described 1998 as the year that Belle and
Sebastian changed from the band who never talked to the band who never
shut up.  Did anyone else read this or did I hallucinate it after a few
too many sherry trifles?  And can anyone point out the resemblance
between this Belle and Sebastian they refer to and the band that we all
know and love?

And another thing.  (Sorry, I'm not good at endings).  Richard, thank
you for your review of Mercury Rev, I am going to see them in Glasgow in
a couple of weeks for the first time in five years.  Can anyone tell me
if they play anything that is pre-Deserters Songs?  And richard, the
real reason I metion your mail is to ask - wasn't Tony the reformed
alcoholic brother in Blossom - Joey was the younger stupider one that
left to pursue a dreadful singing career (OK i'm confusing real life
with the series now, but he was called Joey in real life too).

Sorry to have taken up so much of your time, I'm sure there will be
another, more interesting, post along soon. 

Ailsa
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From Etheriel99 at xxx.com  Wed Jan 20 23:46:54 1999
From: Etheriel99 at xxx.com (Etheriel99 at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:46:54 EST
Subject: Sinister: Greetings boys and girls...
Message-ID: <dab3a6ac.36a66aee@aol.com>


Hello everyone,
I'm new to the list, and I'm rather glad I found it.  In any case, I came
across Belle & Sebastian over the course of about six months.  At first I
rejected them completely without even giving them a chance at all - perhaps
out of stubborness.  However, I kept on hearing the Boy With the Arab Strap
being played at clubs and such, and I grew obsessed with it.  I stole my
friend's cd, and taped it so I could hear The Boy With the Arab Strap and I
fell in love with Stuart's voice.  Then I got my hands on a B&S mix tape with
some songs from Tigermilk and ...Sinister along with some b-sides and it was
over.  I'm completely hooked.  Belle & Sebastan is all I've been listenting to
lately.  They were due to play over here ( Toronto Canada ) around November
but unfortunately, the show was cancelled...sniffle, sniffle...So, I was just
wondering if anyone had any clue as to whether or not they are planning to
make up the show.
Cheers and Cherries,
Cindy
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From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 21 00:35:47 1999
From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:35:47 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Manics reply
Message-ID: <E103867-0002Cc-00@wing1.herald.ox.ac.uk>

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From 98034145 at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 21 09:01:40 1999
From: 98034145 at xxx.uk (eddy katherine m)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:01:40 GMT
Subject: Sinister: have you ever seen Dundee?
Message-ID: <199901210901.JAA16334@brookes.ac.uk>


Hello, I'm Kitty and I'm new.  In reponse to someone who asked, yes there are 
other Oxfordshire people on this list - me, for one.  But I'm from Dundee 
originally.
 
I'm learning to be a teacher of children.  I'm about to start teaching 
practice at a new school.  Apparently Supergrass used to go there.  I wonder 
if the current kids are into Billie, etc. or what and whether or not it's any 
of my business.  
 
Think  of me when you hear playground noises.  Perhaps I should get a Belleand 
Sebastian badge  so that someone's eyes light up.  Perhaps I should 
concentrate on teaching.
 
Kitty
 
P.S. Dye your greying white bras or other underwear bright colours for a new 
lease of life
 
 
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From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 21 09:50:13 1999
From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:50:13 +0000
Subject: Sinister: No I haven't seen Dundee, sorry
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From keith at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 21 09:45:48 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:45:48 -0000
Subject: Sinister: indie rock glasses
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990120141721.23926E-100000@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <000001be4522$d2f8fc10$4e0129c2@sun.QSS>


Ah yes, the indie rock glasses.  Worn by intentional dorks (up to and
including myself) all around our book-reading, smiths-loving, worldwide
hipster community.


Indie Rock glasses! What Rodddders is wearing is a pair of classic Joe 90 UK
National Health Service specs. The reason he's wearing them is that the NHS
gave them away free, I doubt Rodddney was into Indie Rock in the early
eighties, indeed if the term existed before a few years ago. I did notice
this mind you a few years back when a friend of mine from a band called
Tunic used to wear his "indie rock glasses". They used to have T-shirts that
said "Tunic - Nerd Rock" printed. The uproar that picture of Rodddney has
caused is amazing, are there loads more "indie-rock" fans on the list
nowadays, no-one seemed to care a year go, when the chap was on the list.
Best of all my congratulations have to go to Dave Jygsaw who wants to wear a
picture of Rodddney on his T-shirt.

	Dave - if you like, I'm prepared to do a kind of Warhol-ized version of
Rodders if you like for you to print on to your T-shirt.

	Hello new people, how's it going?

Cheers,
  Keith.




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From CAMAIANI at xxx.de  Thu Jan 21 10:35:15 1999
From: CAMAIANI at xxx.de (CAMAIANI)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:35:15 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Ralf?
Message-ID: <5442F5A77FC@cdmail.ub.uni-duesseldorf.de>


Ralf,
meine mails Dich kommen immer als Fehlermeldung zurueck.
Stimmt was mit Deiner/Deinen Adressen nicht? Oder hat Euer Server ein 
Problem?
Gruss,

Elena
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Auskunft, Lesegeschoss O1

Universitaets- und Landesbibliothek Duesseldorf
Universitaetsstr. 1
40225 Duesseldorf

Tel.: 0211/81-14708

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From gary.parkinson at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 21 11:53:50 1999
From: gary.parkinson at xxx.uk (Gary Parkinson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:53:50 GMT
Subject: Sinister: A mile and a half on a bus doesn't take long enough
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19981230145906.10b73c86@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>


Hello you spunky monkeys

Listen, it's my bloody Barfday on Monday, and I'm at my wit's end as to what
to do. A Birthday on a Monday, for goodness sake. Any suggestions (owt going
on in the stinking metropolis of Manchester, where I live, that I don't know
about? Eh? Eh?) lovingly recieved. But bear in mind that I'm quite old now
(or will be, come Monday), so none of your jigging about (well maybe just a
bit).

Now then, some B&S content. I was on the bus the day before yesterday (on my
way to swap one of my Chrimble CDs if you must know, but that's of no import
now), pretending to read 'Helter Skelter' (about the charming Manson Family)
but actually just looking out the window at Manchester's dark Satanic hotels
and stuff, and I was sat behind this bird with her Walkman really loud so
peole were looking at her with slight malice in their faces, but I don't
mind that, I kind of like that 'tsk tsk tsk' noise that you can hear from
other people's headphones, it's quite soothing, especially when, as I slowly
came to realise, she was listening to TBWTAS. It was Dirty Dream that made
me realise. Who was that girl? Was it you? She had short brown hair, and a
full length coat with manky old fur round the collar and a rainbow clip in
her hair. There's a lot of it about.

Joke (honest): Why would Karl Marx only ever drink herbal tea? Because all
proper tea is theft. Snigger.

T'ra for now chickpeas,

Love, Gazzoid 8)

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From koogydelbbog at xxx.com  Thu Jan 21 13:03:16 1999
From: koogydelbbog at xxx.com (andrew dean)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:03:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: brits awards...
Message-ID: <19990121130316.17399.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com>


dull subject line, i know, but...

http://www.brits.co.uk/content/newcomer/poll.htm

has a poll on it asking people which band they think will win and,
well, the current standing is:

belle & sebastian - 37%
5ive - 26%
steps  - 11%
another level - 10%
everybody else - not many%

woo, and indeed, hoo. of course, this is nothing to do with the actual
voting and probably just proves that all of another level's fan's mums
won't let them use the internet or something but...

the rest of the site is pish though and should be avoided. brit awards
cd carry case anyone? it's a must-have for the travelling music fan.
apparently. the brit awards baseball cap is also a must-have. maybe
that's why my life is so empty...

andy
==
andrew dean (koogydelbbog at yahoo.com)


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From richard.connell at xxx.com  Thu Jan 21 09:09:12 1999
From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:09:12 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Some Manics fans slagging off B & S
In-Reply-To: <36A64AA2.7D55C39B@student.paisley.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <2312090921011999/A01211/ADVAX1/11D1AA490900*@MHS>


Ailsa wrote:

>And richard, the
>real reason I metion your mail is to ask - wasn't Tony the reformed
>alcoholic brother in Blossom - Joey was the younger stupider one that
>left to pursue a dreadful singing career (OK i'm confusing real life
>with the series now, but he was called Joey in real life too).

Oops, i'm sorry, i really should brush up on my early nineties arse
comedies knowledge but im so busy revising early 80s average
documentaries at the moment. I know i should send this just to the
replier as it is probably of no interest to anyone else but i was so
glad someone finally replied to one of my infrequent posts of late. I
was beginning to think i'd turned invisible (again). Also i forgot to
mention in my mercury rev review that snowpony were the support and
they were, well, less of the snow more of the pony. And i'm sure their
keyboard player is that woman who left echobelly ( i major in
inconsequential mid-nineties pop). Out of the frying pan into the fire
springs to mind with her.

I've also just discovered Jeff Buckley. He washed up on southsea
seafront (OOPS! very bad taste, i apologise if i offended anyone, it
is not meant to be disrespectful to the dead, but probably is).
Obviously i mean his music. Got grace the other day and borrowed
sketches for my thingy the whatsit from the library. I approve.

That'll do for now, i await the hate mail with baited breath.

Rich

on my mind :- Friday

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From milka at xxx.net  Thu Jan 21 15:28:40 1999
From: milka at xxx.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?sandra_gonz=E1lez_urbano?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:28:40 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Sinister: Re: my first message (and i hope not last)
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<p>> This message was automatically sent to you because you probably tried
> to send a message to the Sinister mailing list but sent it to the 
> wrong address.  This is usually because you just hit REPLY in your
> mail program to a message on the list or to a digest - that doesn't
> work and if you really want to know why see:
 Hi people. This is my first message, though I subscrive the sinister three weeks ago. As I feel that I know you all a little, I will open my heart to you: I was afraid of writing 'cause my English (as you may have already noticed) is not as good as I (and my parents, who finance my classes) would like it to be and I cannot enter in very philosophycal discussions... But during these weeks, as i was reading your mails and  I was feeling as a voyeur (I suppose there isn't anything wrong in being a voyeur but I didn't like the sensation,)I have decided to forget my foolish fears and write this message. 
Well, I'm feeling as I do when I go to a shop with money only enough to buy a CD when there are a lot more which I would like to purchase (and my friends don't like the same kind of music I like - most of them are through the hype of the moment and nothing else- so we cannot exchange music experiences). I don't know if you can understand me, but I hope so.
I'm surprised: this message was not to be so long... How have it happened?

Love to everyone of us, and thank you for reading this bad-written mail...
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From cleonard at xxx.COM  Thu Jan 21 15:59:18 1999
From: cleonard at xxx.COM (Chris Leonard)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:59:18 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Jolly the Walrus
Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=Murray_Johnstone%l=CARDHU-990121155918Z-1725@cardhu.murrayj.com>


Mmm, lovely heroin.   People look at me funny all the time because I'm a
drug addict.  Speaking of which, Miss Julia and i attended the local
picture house last weekend to see "The Acid House".  To tell the truth I
found it quite hideous viewing, I didn't enjoy it much at all.  "A soft
touch" was the best, but still I wouldn't want to see it again.  The
first Scene with Slow Graffiti was excellent.  I really liked the way
the keyboard plays in the background before Struan and the gang kick the
jams.   Unfortunately the scene ends with a couple going for it up the
bottom style.  Christ, you could hardly show your parents that, could
you?  Shocking.  I bet Isobel was not amused at all.  I certainly
wasn't.  Down with this sort of thing.

I saw a stoat once, and a tawny owl.   The owl was sat in the middle of
the road, and I slammed on the brakes.   Emergency stop!  We regarded
each other, and for a moment I was gained the wisdom of the owl.  Owls,
you see are very wise creatures indeed.  

And for that moment, when I was as wise as the owl I thought about many
things.  I could think very clearly - answers to questions that had
burdened me through my life came freely.  Emotion and chemicals and war
and religion, all of these things were simple to me, and I knew what had
to be done to make the world a wonderful place again. 

But, when the moment passed I was exhausted.   I passed out on the
steering wheel.  I awoke the next morning, and the car was covered in
snow.  And I had turned into a fox.   I climbed out through the radiator
and ran as fast as I could to the nearest church, which was Hyndland
church in Glasgow's west end.   The church had a closed sign on it, so I
couldn't go in a pray to be returned to my natural state.  I started
crying, because I was starving and cold.   Just then a friendly voice
came from behind.   "Are you wost, wittle one?".  I looked up to see a
young man with kind eyes and excellent bone structure.  And a big
earring.  "Come with me wittle one, and I'll feed you warm you up".
"Thank you kind sir" I said in my fox voice.   

The young man took me to the Grovener Cafe and bought me a vegetarian
all day breakfast.   He talked of the loves of his life and showed me a
picture he had drawn of a pretty lady.   When I ate my last bean I
realised I was no longer a fox.  I was Rod Begbie.
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From ip211579 at xxx.pt  Thu Jan 21 16:15:01 1999
From: ip211579 at xxx.pt (Boycrazy)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:15:01 -0000
Subject: Sinister: There and back again Lane
Message-ID: <199901211615.QAA00633@mail2.ip.pt>



	Hey ...

Am i the only one who thinks that the new Camera Obscura single is superb?
It´s sooo good!!


				"the boy from the south"
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From macarthur at xxx.com  Thu Jan 21 17:15:42 1999
From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:15:42 -0000
Subject: Sinister: friday at the poetry cafe
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If I haven't already bent your ear, could i ask who is going to the meet up
at the poetry cafe (London) on friday? I'm very nervous about going...I
know you're all lovely, but let's face it, you don't really know who i am
yet...having posted, oh, what but 2 times! anyway, reassure me of your
friendliness and loveliness, or I may have to spend another friday with
Fraiser....
or have a "and you go and you leave on your own, and you cry and you want
to die" experience! I am bringing wee hannah, my friend, as you'll know who
we are because we'll be the *obviously young ones*

love, 
*starry eyed* scarlet 
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From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 21 17:36:02 1999
From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:36:02 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Parrot fashion
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Hello pop-pickers
Squawk! The Poetry Parrot turned up this morning to perch atop the Poetry
Cafe and sound its barbaric yawp across the rooftops of the world. It left
me with this poem about pants, by the American poet Stuart Dischell, from
his new collection ‘Evenings and Avenues’ published by Penguin in America.
Let us hope this is the last word on underwear. Before he fluttered off in
the general direction of Linda Kerr (who, as is customary, is now obliged to
provide the next poem), the parrot asked me to mention that Hefner will be
singing songs about sexy librarians at the Sinister Social tomorrow evening
in Covent Garden (poetryplace2 at easynet.co.uk for more details)...

stevie trousers
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IN DAYLIGHT

When I find a pair of underpants on the sidewalk,
WomenÂ’s or menÂ’s, I know thereÂ’s a story behind them.

If I am sad, I have a sad story that concerns
A woman who sacrificed so hard for her family
She lost so much weight her underpants rolled down
Her legs, and she stepped right out of them, kicked
Them off, not knowing until later, when she rested
On the table at the clinic where she sold her blood,
Why the crowd of donors was looking up her skirt.

But if I am lonely, I tell a lonely story
Of a man who had nothing but the clothes on his back
And a few garments wrapped in a scarf on a stick.
He lost his spare briefs, having come to our city
To find his natural parents after the foster family
Died in the fire he set. They did not pay attention.
Now, without clean underwear, no one will ever love him.

And if I am horny, I think up a horny story
About the couple that met last night at BrannÂ’s Pub,
Who would not walk the distance to get at each other.
In consequence, they merged quickly in the recess
Between shops, her back pressed against the glass,
He lifting her a little to get the right angle,
Her panties dropped or discarded in the process.

I head on home, feeling sad, lonely, and horny.
I sense my own boxer shorts struggling to be free,
To rid themselves finally of my hips and buttocks,
To be pulled from my pants like some magicianÂ’s trick,
To flap in the wind and come to rest on the pavement,
To show for all to see their inexorable statement
About me, their judgment on my life, my flag of surrender.












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From lonelyhighway at xxx.com  Thu Jan 21 17:57:16 1999
From: lonelyhighway at xxx.com (Corpora Arenacea)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:57:16 PST
Subject: Sinister: I'm thin I'm cool I'm a piece of wire
Message-ID: <19990121175716.25299.qmail@hotmail.com>


I can't understand indie fashion.  
In the military we call those free glasses "BCG'S", short for "Birth 
Control Glasses". I got a pair because I always saw dorky indie boys in 
corduroys and those glasses squiring around the hottest young foxes in 
fake fur and barettes, and I tried them on, and I literally felt 
disfigured.  I mean, I'm none too sweet on my looks as it stands, but 
walking around in those glasses I felt handicapped. Capital-U Ugly 
enough to be euthanized. 
Bah.
Of course it helps not that my prescription is even thicker than the 
unbreakable dark-brown plastic, but still.
Funniest of all was when I took my brother to a Magnetic Fields show in 
New York, he being a total alien to indie/Village subbacultcha, and  
looking like a buzzard besides, couldn't understand why so many 
otherwise really gorgeous people would make themselves so ugly, he 
having found not a single haircut nor outfit in his life that didn't 
make him look slightly avian. "What's up with the BOCES fashions?" 
(BOCES is the vocational program in New York State where they send the 
'special' people to learn trades like auto mechanics and beginner 
can-opener repair - when I look back at what I did learn in high school 
I wish they'd let me join). 
Someday someone will explain the lure of "lo-fi" as well.

                                     -Einar

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From cairns at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 21 16:43:38 1999
From: cairns at xxx.uk (Joe Cairns)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:43:38 +0000
Subject: Sinister: You don't need PANTS for the victory dance
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990121164338.007c7e40@127.0.0.1>


The underkeks thread is running a little thin, but what the hell.

On Saturday, our boss made us poll a troupe of bouncing 13 year-old
cheerleaders on their dating habits. The final question on each paper could
almost have been pulled offa Sinister:-

"13.	What do you always make sure you take with you when going on a first
date?

(a)	makeup compact / lipstick
(b)	breath mints / gum
(c)	your lucky pants "

and another addition to Tag's middle-aged questionnaire:

11.	All-Seeing Eye are:-

(a)	"The new Air"
(b)	Techno shite
(c)	A bunch of ageing muso hacks inadvertantly stumbling over a 	series of
90s Pop gems

Sometimes it's fun to forget how great things are, just so you can have the
fun of finding out again, no? 'Walk Like A Panther' spurred me into
stealing a VHS of 'The Park Is Mine', proving once again that Cocker might
not be God (that's Lil' Mark Webber), he still has the world's best initials.

May you live to see the dawn,
Joe x 
	
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From seyfert7 at xxx.com  Thu Jan 21 18:49:55 1999
From: seyfert7 at xxx.com (jesi bell)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:49:55 PST
Subject: Sinister: cubicles
Message-ID: <19990121184955.5317.qmail@hotmail.com>


  
   as i settled into my cubicle, hidden in the very back of the eighth 
floor of the library i thought to myself "why don't you sit on the 
seventh floor, where its all open, with big tables, and lots of people? 
you should try and be more social, instead of hiding up here.   and you 
wonder why you don't have a boyfriend."
 
   but then i thought, "if i sat down there, i couldn't spin my pen 
continually and drop it, in the annoying fashion that i enjoy.  i 
couldn't make faces at everything i didn't understand (i say far too 
much with my eyebrows).  i couln't trace my lips with my pinky when i'm 
really trying to concentrate.  because what guy would like a girl like 
that?....

    yes, but then i thought, "the guy that I would like wouldn't be 
sitting down there anyhow.  he'd be hidding up here in a cubicle, so 
that he could make faces and play with his pen.  that way i could peak 
under the table and see his feet, and get all excited at what kind of 
shoes he was wearing."
 
   still not finished, sorry, cause then i thought, "well if the kinda 
guy i'd like would be hiding up here, then how come he isn't? i've been 
around plenty a times and haven't seen him yet."  ahh, who cares, cause 
then my mind wandered off into a eighties-movie-like dream, "then i'd 
get up to find some other book, off one of those high, high shelves in 
those narrow narrow isles.  and then he'd come down that very same isle 
and we'd have to scwush together to pass each other.  and then i'd see 
that he was looking for a book in the very same section!!  a guy who's 
actually obsessed with constillations or greek gods or some other silly 
little thing just like me *sigh*."

   only in dreams....i think i can see now why my trips to the library 
never result in much work.
    
   i have more to say, but i don't know who's listening.....
 
 
 cheers for now, my sinistereens
        
          **~lee~**  

   
 **please don't spoil my day i'm miles away and after all, i'm only   
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From 9503208p at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 21 19:45:42 1999
From: 9503208p at xxx.uk (Sarah Jane Philp)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:45:42 +0000
Subject: Sinister: advice for FNGs
Message-ID: <30A229D6B23@student.gla.ac.uk>


 hello
	so, i put this mail filter on my email machine which is 
meant to send a slipstream of b&s waffle away from my new mail 
place and neatly file it somewhere more sinister. The way i told it 
how to know what was b&s waffle and what was not was by seeing 
whether there was a <sinister at majordomo.net> written in the To: 
section. 
	After a day or so I return to find my filter dividing the 
sinister mail in half those that stay in my new file are people whose 
names are not familier to me although their words are pretty and 
those who have slipped to the right are in no uncertain words the 
'old skool' the ones with a catalogue of previous postings and great 
myths surrounding their names.Thats interesting isnt it?
	The division is between those who use the < > around the 
address and those who do not. So here's some advice, if you 
wanna play with the big boys, don't let your sinister at majordomo.net 
go shamefaced naked anymore.
	
	The other thing: i say there should be some mourning for 
the death of the tape tree i was really enjoying that, Ben 
Ferneyhough's tape was ace and oons was so pretty, and now, no 
more tapes. Let us pray.

sarah*
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From mireiamenchon at xxx.com  Thu Jan 21 19:54:05 1999
From: mireiamenchon at xxx.com (Mireia Menchon)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:54:05 PST
Subject: Sinister: Why was Mr.Keynes born??!!
Message-ID: <19990121195405.11723.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hi everyone!

I've had this question in my mind for 3 days now...Why did he have to 
live??Why? Why? Did Keynes live with the purpose of making me feel 
terrible today? Oh, wonderful world is economics... I would also like to 
thank Mr. Samuelson for bringing this lovely 1.000.000 page book into 
my, just until,now boring life...I love you guys, wherever you are...

Well, after this little bit of therapy a B&S question: Have they ever 
written any songs concerning birthdays? Mine is approaching and I'm 
beginning to feel depresed. 

My life at the moment: exam: fail?,exam:fail?, birthday: pfffff...

How do you feel about those "wonderful" days?

Will I end up dressed with a lovely ye-ye dress watching a 70 year-old 
boyfriend play "petanca" ( sorry, don't know translation) in the park 
while I'm knitting something????

I guess nobody cares about underwear then...

Depressing mail, I know.

Bye puppies!
 
Mireia


Time takes care of the wound, so I can believe.

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From foxinthesnow_ at xxx.com  Thu Jan 21 21:36:08 1999
From: foxinthesnow_ at xxx.com (Fox in the snow)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:36:08 PST
Subject: Sinister: new member?!?
Message-ID: <19990121213609.17588.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello
I am also from America.. but I am in Quebec city canada... Sounds not 
too bad? haha that is the worse place ever... No one knows about B&S 
over here.. and I have to order every cd I buy... I found TBWTAS in this 
import store uptown and I was all excited cos i didn,t have to order it 
this time and pay twice the price of the other cds. I was all excited 
and they had promo posters so I got a hold of some for free yaya! If 
there's anyone else near me, that,d be nice to hear from u ppl cos I 
feel lonely in my lost city.. As for the posters well if some ppl want 
some maybe I can get ahold of some more!:) I,ll ask my friends to go ask 
for some cos I bet they remember me
Cheers,
Karolyne

>I'm new to the list, and am not from England.. not from Europe at all,
>actually. I live in a small town in the US. My my, it certainly is 
boring,
>too. Other than the fact that the local indie record store employees 
are
>maniacal about Belle & Sebastian... that always livens up my day when I 
go to
>purchase music.



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From e.brown at xxx.com  Thu Jan 21 19:50:31 1999
From: e.brown at xxx.com (Emanuel Brown)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:50:31 -0000
Subject: Sinister: I'm thin I'm cool I'm a piece of wire
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On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:57:16   Corpora Arenacea wrote:

>Someday someone will explain the lure of "lo-fi" as well.

Well, let's see. The "lure of lo-fi" as you put it lies in the combination of Do-It-Yourself ethics, artistic expressive freedom, and probably most important, inheirent low cost. Although for some, it's probably just a hipster prop device.

I have been doing quite a bit of work on a four-track recorder lately, one of those cassette jobs that has four inputs and a mini mixing deck on it. With this unassuming little apparatus, I record anything and everything that strikes my fancy. From street noise below to my neighbor's frenzied early morning sex above, I have a plethora of funny and unusual sounds that I will then incorporate into my "serious" musical attempts. Not quite like William Burrough's cut-ups. This can be alot of fun or a flaming disaster, still there's a certain satisfaction in attempting to create something new or at least personal. And I think that's what certain indie rockers went for when they released some of the most disjointed, unpolished music ever produced and somehow it seemed more honest 'cause it was all fucked up. Unfortunately, this didn't last too long and soon you had all these jackasses running around trying to be the nerxt Daniel Johnston.

The point is, its a process, that's all. Take it or leave it. You are your own boss and you can really do some cool stuff if you can geek out a little bit and figure out new techniques. The work itself is often its own reward, with a certain degree of instant gratification involved. For instance, I've been recording a series of songs lately. I have some musical genius friends in Chapel Hill, NC and so I'll send them a cassette with my stuff on it and they'll add to it, remix it, or whatever they like and send it back. In this way we can continue to share ideas and influences on the cheap over long distances.

I hope that helps. My father used to do something similar back in the late 60's with an 8-track reel-to-reel. Wow! I'd love one of those. As for the geek look, I can't go for it. I detest plaid and I don't need glasses. Besides, I've spent a large part of my life cultivating a certain distance between myself and the beautiful people. They make my skin crawl.

Oh, if you want a great example of lo-fi done right, check out Portastatic, Mac McCaughan of Superchunk/Merge Records fame at his Brian Eno best. The first album, 'I hope your heart is not brittle' is absolutely beautiful with a dark sadness that i never knew was in the man. PS: Magnetic Fields? I love Stephin Merrit's music too. He's one weird little guy, have you ever talked to him?

emanuel
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 21 23:15:50 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:15:50 +0000
Subject: Sinister: perhaps the magic in music is in the fact you can't speak, or write it....
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Hiya!

Hey, Spare Snare...they've done one really good song, I know this for I
listened to it today on the bus and it felt reet gorgeous and calming.
Its called "Hard of Hearing" and its got another song called "Lesbians
in Waistcoats", which even made my friend Ross "I like Placebo and ATR I
AM THE GOD OF HARDKORE not really its all just a pose scene" (?) jump
out of his skin. But ooh just buy it. Sod bloody Hefner, with their how
quietly can I strum a guitar comptetion.....

Miller, I think you confused Yé-Yé dresses with triangles and not very
well drawn ones at that too, on my tape. Did you like it?? Please give
some feedback cos I wish to convert everyone to the joys of Welsh Pop!
Especially Welsh Hippety Hop! Buy TYSTION's Brewer Spinks EP. Anyway, I
shall draw a Ye Ye dress and put it on my MELYS (and Miffy well soon
maybe?!) website

(http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk)

What lovely sign weather my it guestbook is today. Subliminal messages,
bonkers. Wonder if they work....

I bought a train ticket to London today and am very nervous. Londons
scary and full of hipsters....I've never been to da big shitty before...
I feel like Beverly Hillbilly. Of course I am not going untill Feb, but
I can still feel nervous. I shall meet the curious breed called London
Sinister people....hang on

I had a thought the other day. I don't know ANY B&S  fans from the
north! I mean, yeah theres people who live in Manchester - but who are
southern, theres alright a WIRRAL person (but that doesn't count as
being northern cos he can't say "eey oop") so what I am trying to say is
(breathe) where are you? Honestly this came to me and gary the other
night and I couldn't think of anyone.....probably cos we're all stuck
down the whippet racing and don't approve of all this Pop music
nonsense. Quite right toooo.

Poepin je hoofd is a funny saying I feel. I say it to people who I want
to insult without them getting angry at me. Hehehe!
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Fluffy Candarel
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From asbuch at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 22 02:06:21 1999
From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:06:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: what's your favorite animal?
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On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Graham MacArthur wrote:

> I'm only 61 pages into my Steven Fry book (moab is my washpot) and he's
> already mentioned monkies...my favorite. what's yours?
> 
Monkies rule! (both the animal and the band). I sleep with a stuffed one,
always. You have good taste in animals.

Ciao,

Heather

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From WeeChrisBS at xxx.com  Fri Jan 22 03:16:26 1999
From: WeeChrisBS at xxx.com (WeeChrisBS at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:16:26 EST
Subject: Sinister: My favorite Animal!
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Hello List,

I Love Animals.... In Elementary school I use to be more obsessed though.... I
like Headgehogs,Monkeys(but not as obsessed as you Amanda tee
hee),Lizards,Geekos,Dogs,Dogs and More Dogs. I have 3 dogs... 2 Jack Russel
Terries and 1 Mixed. and Stuff Animals.... I have Lots of Rent and
stimpys(Including a Stimpy that lays on My Bed) and a Monkey and a Pengiun and
lots others in the closet *sniff Sniff* maybe I'll go look at 'em all before I
go to bed.

-Damon
 
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From gnance at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 22 04:14:50 1999
From: gnance at xxx.edu (Ginger Nance)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:14:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: dirty dream #2 video
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Hello everyone,

I've crawled out from under my rock to annouce that I finally scanned my
pictures from the "Dirty Dream #2" shoot and if you want to see them,
they're at
http://www.unc.edu/~gnance/athens.html
Hope you like them!  

Ginger :)

Ginger Nance                       
gnance at email.unc.edu                       
http://www.unc.edu/~gnance                              
                   



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From frantila at xxx.com  Fri Jan 22 10:03:46 1999
From: frantila at xxx.com (Jarkko Fräntilä)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:03:46 EET
Subject: Sinister: nerds playing lo-fi wearing cardigans.
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I haven't read these posting for a while, been busy doing other things 
(but we wont go into that one here). Well, I decided to read a few today 
and, to my surprise, I felt I HAD to say something.

a)
Nerdy Glasses. I'm all for them. Wearing them right now, I am. Don't 
know how some people could oppose them. The thing that bugs me is those 
fake-nerdys, the ones people use when they have no problem with their 
eyesight. These days people always ask me if my glasses are "real" or am 
I just wearing these to look cool. Blah.

b)
Lo-fi. Hmm, a bit problematic. I've always said, "if it sounds good, do 
it", meaning that you don't need to fill your songs with marimbas and 
xylophones and what ever you have just to get all the tracks filled. But 
then again, I hate that stupid "Oooh- I'll- just- use- my acoustic- 
guitar- play- it REALLY- badly- and- call- myself- lofi"-crap. but I 
quess that makes some people (who can't play their instruments that 
well) feel that they're cool, 'cause then they can count themselves as a 
part of the lo-fi-genre. Using some ancient analogic recording-equipment 
doesn't necesserely make you lo-fi. Try Larry And The Lefthanded 
(finnish band), Opel Bastards (Larryetc guys' sideproject, could be 
categorised as "urbanasphaltfunk") or Bob Hund (swedish perfection) to 
see/hear how it should be done. And no, I'm not just patriotic here when 
talking about Finnish bands, these bands are just the "future" (HOW 
clishee can you get?).

c)
Cardigans (not the band): Yup, you quessed it, luv 'em. The thing with 
these, however, is that I have a bad sweating problem. They're ok when 
you don't have to do anything. But as soon as you have to do some 
physical stuff, lift a box full of books or something (that's one of the 
crappy things that I do here at my work), I'm like a walking faucet 
under my armpits. I even had to order a new "study at Stow"-shirt, 
'cause my sweating destroyed my old one, the armpits look horrible. But 
then again, I just gained 5 kg in 2 months, and the old "study"-shirt, 
size S, looks silly on me. Beertitties aren't that nice, you know. So 
the new shirt is size M. 

I rest my case.

and btw, stupid information that no-one wants to know: I'm listening to 
"Promenade" by Divine Comedy at the moment.

@--->--- luvvie, jake.

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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 22 10:44:47 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:44:47 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Your favourite shape?...
Message-ID: <000001be45f4$3af9f8b0$4e0129c2@sun.QSS>


Mine's a round ovally shape.

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From macarthur at xxx.com  Fri Jan 22 11:15:07 1999
From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:15:07 -0000
Subject: Sinister: crime fighting monkies
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Dear sinisterines:

I'd just like to point out that although my name appears as Graham
MacArthur, I'm actually Erica (his daughter) or Scarlet. you choose.

Nice to hear theres some fellow monkey lovers (espcially those who like the
band *and* the real thing). Money is also a good word, a brilliant quote
from Rich (I also thought the blossom reference was good, reminded me of
that stupid bit at the beginning where she tries on lots of hats? well, i
laughed at the thought)

"cos we are a gang arent we, like a big group of crime fighting monkeys on
rollerskates" 

at first it reminded me of those scary things in Return to oz, with actual
wheel-feet, a small regression into a childhood nightmare, but then I
stopped myself and thought of the lovely sweet monkeys, in cruel-but-funny
little hats doing adverts for Pg tips. not that I condone...
I love Ren and Stimpy and rockos modern life, both suitably disgusting and
terribly funny....do you have them in America? actually (goofy look) they
probably came from america, er, hmm? 

Do You LIke The Jesus and Mary Chain? someone told me I *had* to hear them
so I retrieved Physcho Candy from the record collection, is this the best
jesus and mary chain record? I can't really say if I do, but I couldn't get
into it yesterday, and it was Abba day oh VH1 so I was more than  bit
distracted!

I'm a big fan of proper nerd-rock glasses, but when celebs start sporting
them in a last ditch attempt to be trendy, well, it all seems a bit passe.
But we rock! the people who do *have* to wear glasses, and look like cute
little moles coming out into daylight, rubbing their eyes without them.
Jake, I also hate it when people ask me if my glasses are "real", it makes
me sigh.

well, this is me signing off, hoping I didn't bore you all
but give me time. do you remember yourself at 16?

love, Erica




p.s I can do a handstand without anyone holding me up. beat that, listees!

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From bajsjan at xxx.com  Fri Jan 22 11:47:35 1999
From: bajsjan at xxx.com (jan thorneus)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 03:47:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: update on the tribute tape
Message-ID: <19990122114735.10021.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>




Hey.


Theres acctually nothing new to say about the tribute, i just thought
that i remind everyone that the tribute is still happening.

Keep sending me ideas of what to call it.

By the way, nred glasses kicks ass. I wear them myself so i should know.

Email:

Bajsjan at yahoo.com

Address:

Jan Thorneus
Hermes v. 23
98144 Kiruna
Sweden

Bye.

_________________________________________________________

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From gary.parkinson at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 22 12:19:30 1999
From: gary.parkinson at xxx.uk (Gary Parkinson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:19:30 GMT
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19981231010515.08efea02@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>

Oh you little dumplings

Here's a pic (hope y'all can view it somehow - also hope we're allowed to
send pix. - Gulp) of Eurovision winner Massiel ('La La La' 1968, naturally).
Is this a ye-ye dress then? Or not? What do I know?

So now that pants fever has died down, and there seems to be a lull filled
only by nerdglasses (I don't have any as such, but my sunglasses what I have
to wear when I'm a-drivin my luvverly lickle pea'n'lime greens VW Beetle,
especiallymost on days like this when it's a sparkly iced cake of a day, are
pretty nerdish; does this qualify? Eh?), what about: who would be the six
people, living, dead or imaginary, animal, vegetable or mineral, that you'd
invite to your dinner party? Be cautious, kidnips, it reveals ALL about your
personality, and that's psyientific fact. Oh yes.

Anyroad, if you want a pic of Lulu in hotpants and silver boots, let me
know. She looks winsome as a slightly naughty cloud. Yum.

Wishing you all tiny little sweets that look like gems,

Gazzoid. 8)



"Hey sister, let's face the Universe and dance" - li'l Marcy Bolan.
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From asbuch at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 22 14:25:17 1999
From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:25:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: nerds playing lo-fi wearing cardigans.
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Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990122082208.19273C-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>


On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Jarkko Fr�ntil� wrote:

> a)
> Nerdy Glasses. I'm all for them. Wearing them right now, I am. Don't 
> know how some people could oppose them. The thing that bugs me is those 
> fake-nerdys, the ones people use when they have no problem with their 
> eyesight. These days people always ask me if my glasses are "real" or am 
> I just wearing these to look cool. Blah.

I love all these new names. In the 80's, we just called them "smart
glasses." They connoted a love of the Smiths and "College Rock". Anyone
remember "College Rock"?

> Cardigans (not the band): Yup, you quessed it, luv 'em. The thing with 
> these, however, is that I have a bad sweating problem. They're ok when 
> you don't have to do anything. But as soon as you have to do some 
> physical stuff, lift a box full of books or something (that's one of the 
> crappy things that I do here at my work), I'm like a walking faucet 
> under my armpits. 

Make sure they're not acrylic. Acrylic fibers can't breathe and you sweat.
Try cotton, cashmere (expensive!) or even wool. Problem is, most of the
good '60's cardigans are all acrylic.

Ciao,

Heather

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Fri Jan 22 14:34:40 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:34:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Crystalize Your Mind!
Message-ID: <01be4614$58d69260$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


VOTE SNOW PATROL!

I hope you've all voted for Snow Patrol on the Oh Yeah awards page. I
have, despite never having heard them. I also voted for Eric's Flea
Circus and someone for services to Belfast breakdancing, as well as a
club spookily called The Gate. Will wonders never cease?

HEFNERIZE YOUR MIND!

I urge all the doubters and ditherers to trunde off to the Po Caff
tonight to see the chap from Hefner. Even if you don't like the music,
you'll like his witty repartee between songs. Plus it will be a great
opportunity to see at least two pairs of indie rock glasses in the
same room at the same time. Also, could someone have a word with
Trousers please, because I still haven't got my copy of Trousercuts -
the magazine for men.

RODSPOTTER'S PARADISE!

I see there are quite a lot of Rod fanatics on the list. It's hardly
surprising really. The dedicated Rodspotter now has a curious ally in
the shape of Rod's flatmate, who has kindly installed a webcam in
their flat. Should Dame Fortune smile on you, you can see Rod playing
on his flatmate's computer. I've just tried it and it was pitch dark
because it was six o' clock in the morning, but you might have more
luck. I'm hoping that Rod will forget about the camera and have a
"Kate Winslett" before our very eyes! Here's the URL:

http://www.scottcam.com/webcam.html

Well worth a visit, especially if someone else is paying. There are
also some wacky Rod-related messages in the guestbook. Thanks to
Heather for tipping me off about this one.

THE GENTLE LOONIES!

I'm so excited about the forthcoming album from Isobel Campbell's side
project "The Gentle Waves", but really, don't you think she's taking
her Tina Turner impersonation a bit too far? I mean "The Green Fields
of Foreverland" - if that's not a straight re-write of "Nutbush City
Limits",  I'll eat my toy cigarettes. I hope the record has a drawing
of Isobel sitting pensively in a deckchair on the cover.

KEITH'S FAVOURITE SHAPE!

Don't you think we should restrict this discussion to geometric
shapes? Keith's is so wishy-washy. "A round ovally sort of shape" -
what's that supposed to mean, eh? I suspect that it's a sneaky way for
Keith to talk about his favourite animal - the round ovally hedgehog!

I'm strictly a pentangle man myself.

FLUFFY'S TAPE!

Of course I like it, but I haven't listened to it much yet. I find
tapes, like fine wines, mature with age.

ONE, TWO, BUCKLEY MY SHOE!

I too discovered Jeff Buckley recently. At first I thought it was
crap, but now I quite like it. Everyone knows that Jeff's dad was Tim
Buckley, but few people know that his mother was Vera Duckworth. My
favourite song is "Corpus Christ Carol". It's a cover of a Benjamin
Britten song, so I was wondering if anyone knows what album it's from
or if it's from one of his rock operas are something. It takes a brave
man to rhyme "knight" with "night". Corking song though, almost on a
par with McCarthy, I'd say.

Yours fauthfully,

Sister Disco, patrolling the mental health wards of the pop hospital,
ever vigilant.


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From polanski at xxx.nl  Fri Jan 22 15:23:27 1999
From: polanski at xxx.nl (polanski)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:23:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: new zine
Message-ID: <36A897EF.158CB409@tobin.demon.nl>


 ok, everyone, here is, as they say, 'the scoop'...

do you find yourself with to much time on your hands?  are you tired of
devoting your life to mindless drivel and (home)work?  do you feel
creatively stifled and constricted?

thought not...

but i am still looking for some folks with time on their hands that
would like to get a new zine up and running on this here web...  music,
film, books, travel, more drivel...  anything goes and will be taken
with wide-open arms...  if you're on this list, you already pass the
not-actually-very-selective quality control!

oh - here's the link to see the cover for the (as yet) non-existent
zine...

well, my homepage itself is at http://www.tobin.demon.nl or
http://welcome.to/indiepop, but the zine's cover is now at
http://www.tobin.demon.nl/polanski.html or http://come.to/polanski.

by the way, some of you already know me from sinister chat.  i'm alex
from holland (aka homogenic aka funksoulmother aka ddaftddutch aka
poppadum aka...  god knows what else).

in any account, drop a line, sign the guestbook.  wharrever!  getting a
bit depressed not hearing from anyone, being over here in holland...
and no - the drugs don't work (at least not always).

ta for now,


@lex!
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alex tobin
pater romboutslaan 14
6419 be heerlen
the netherlands

phone +31.45.5711883
fax +31.46.443.3937
mobile +31.6.50603533

e-mail alex at tobin.demon.nl
webpage http://www.tobin.demon.nl
webpage http://welcome.to/indiepop

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From pants at xxx.com  Fri Jan 22 17:04:53 1999
From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:04:53 -0800
Subject: Sinister: what's your favorite animal?
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Lemmings.  Follow me in my devotion.

senor droolcup

PS: So I'm sitting in my bathroom with a short glass of whiskey wondering why the only cool part of my apartment is on the tiled floor of my upstairs bathroom, when it strikes me: I've got knuckles the size of fuzzy dice.  Who the hell gave me this oddity that leaves the typical schoolgirl scoffing at me from across the cafeteria?  I never asked to be pretty, but I never asked to hang the equivalent of pumpkins from my toothpick arms.  So while my glass sinks into my hand like a fat man into a beanbag, I take one last sip and make a new years resolution to wear legwarmers underneath my jumper to find some proportion in my life.

At 08:06 PM 1/21/99 -0600, Heather Marie Propes wrote:
>
>On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Graham MacArthur wrote:
>
>> I'm only 61 pages into my Steven Fry book (moab is my washpot) and he's
>> already mentioned monkies...my favorite. what's yours?
>> 
>Monkies rule! (both the animal and the band). I sleep with a stuffed one,
>always. You have good taste in animals.
>
>Ciao,
>
>Heather
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From jordi-tv at xxx.com  Fri Jan 22 16:39:44 1999
From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:39:44 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Eurovision
Message-ID: <19990122193944.HM.00000000000AEVT@mixmail.com>


I know that with that message i�ll disappoint some people, but I�m afraid that Massiel won the Eurovision song contest more for political affairs than anything else. 
   What is widely known is the trouble with the guy who was going to sing "La la la" instead of Massiel, the catalan folk singer Joan Manel Serrat (before he became a boring romantic millionaire) who wanted to sing in the catalan language, widely banned from the daily life by Franco. The dictatorship authorities refused, and Serrat didn�t want to sing. So, as a miracle, Massiel won the contest, a fact that allowed the authorities to create a happy image of the country. 




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From jordi-tv at xxx.com  Fri Jan 22 16:46:20 1999
From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:46:20 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Eurovision
Message-ID: <19990122194620.HM.00000000000AEYT@mixmail.com>


Sorry, something went wrong and the first post wasn�t complete.

I know that with that message i�ll disappoint some people, but I�m afraid that Massiel won the Eurovision song contest more for political affairs than anything else. 
   What is widely known is the trouble with the guy who was going to sing "La la la" instead of Massiel, the catalan folk singer Joan Manel Serrat (before he became a boring romantic millionaire) who wanted to sing in the catalan language, widely banned from the daily life by Franco. The dictatorship authorities refused, and Serrat didn�t want to sing. So, as a miracle, Massiel won the contest, a fact that allowed the authorities to create a happy image of the country. 
   What�s less known is that the spanish authorities had an agreement with the german ones: the german would give the best score to Spain if they �d buy their new TV technological resources.

 I�m willing to hear both Stuart D. and Isobel solo albums. Yesterday I got some photos from the Barcelona�s 97 gig, which were sent by a guy called Luis. All of them are from Isobel and Stu,  and are really cute. Please, come here again !

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From Ryanerik at xxx.com  Fri Jan 22 19:38:13 1999
From: Ryanerik at xxx.com (Ryanerik at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:38:13 EST
Subject: Sinister: da da da da daaa...BnS tour tapes...da da da.
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In a message dated 1/21/99 3:43:15 PM Central Standard Time, MAILER-
DAEMON at aol.com writes:
 Helloooo
  
my name is ryan,  Im in minneapolis.  I've been subscribed for a year or so,
but very rarely  post.
  
Anyway, how happy I was to find out that the bank I've been filling with
silver coinage for three years is now full and has over two hundred dollars in
  it!  Also, how happy I was to discover three CD-Rs, waiting for me in my
  mailbox, of B&S' '97 NYC show, '98 Amsterdam, and '98 Boston shows.  How
  dissapointed I was to listen to them (after extensive listening of the
  wonderful quality Black Sessions, thanks Jim!) to find that they're average
  quality, and audience recordings.
  	Does Anyone out there have any soundboard source shows on tape or CD-R?  or
  Minidisc!  If so, I'd love to trade with you.  Or just any good quality
shows
  too.
  	Lemme know!  Thanks in advance...can't wait for the new releases.
  
  	ryan.
  
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From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 22 20:30:19 1999
From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:30:19 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Jammy job!
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From cchaffin at xxx.org  Fri Jan 22 20:33:57 1999
From: cchaffin at xxx.org (Christa Chaffinch)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:33:57 -0500
Subject: Sinister: potassium benzoate (to protect taste)
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the list is a bit slow today, i suppose the weekend is starting early
for everyone..?  i thought i would send you all a message to say
hello.
i was a huge astronomy nerd from the ages of 8 until, well...now. 
i saw this today...i turned it into my wallpaper, and i wanted to
share, cuz that's what i was taught to do in school.
http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/jpeg/HDFWF3.jpg

i hope you enjoy that as much as i do.
i have exciting trips planned for the next 3 weekends in a row!
i feel like quite the jetsetter, even though i am only going a few
hundred miles to Virginia.   its just such a lovely place, you know?

i hope you all have a terrific weekend, and stay warm and dry,
if its cold and wet where you are.
-christa
   ~*~
the state that i am in:  maryland
haha, i crack myself up sometimes  ;)  my corniness makes me blush
too
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From Jeni_Morton at xxx.com  Fri Jan 22 20:42:05 1999
From: Jeni_Morton at xxx.com (Jeni Morton)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:42:05 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Freaky Friday...
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....Hi, It's me, Jeni, ummm "Photo Jeni", not the girl on the photo site holding
the beer, (She is quite lovely though!)  Umm, anyway, I work at Rhino records in
Los Angeles, and I was updating my website today, (instead of working), and all
of the sudden, H.R. Puf-N-Stuf walks buy!  I jumped out of my seat, and into his
big Orange/Green/and Yellow arms!  I was so thrilled to finally meet a childhood
hereo!  Beth and I recently went to a book signing for Sid & Marty Krofft, and
that in it's self was exciting, but to ACTUALLY HUG Puf-n-Stuf was way beyond
that!  WOW WOW WOW!  I only wish Beth worked here as well, I know it would have
made her day!

Cheers-
Photo Jeni
xoxoxoxoxox

P.S. I know this has nothing to do with B&S, but I keep telling people about
this, and they are all, "Who's HR Puf-N-Stuf?"  *gasp*  and I adore you all so
much, I know you'll just smile, and humor me......

:o)
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From lilac_wine93 at xxx.com  Fri Jan 22 22:24:41 1999
From: lilac_wine93 at xxx.com (simon barr)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:24:41 PST
Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian stuff for a change....
Message-ID: <19990122222442.11388.qmail@hotmail.com>


hi,

I've never posted before and I'm meant to be studying right now but I'm 
bored.

Who was going on about the B&S cd-rom's earlier?
I don't have any of them, can ANYONE PLEASE get me one?
or a copy?
Does anyone have a copy of the Black Session too ?? *beg*

Isn't the re-release of "Tigermilk" a pain in the arse ??
My copy's gonna plummet in value now. Maybe I should sell while I 
can.......nah, never.

I can't wait for Stuart David's "Up a tree" (March 8) and "The ballad of 
Ray Suzuki" (Feb 22). Also, Isobel's "The green fields of foreverland" 
(April 5) and "Weathershow" (March 22).

I'm gonna see Looper on feb 11 in Glasgow. Anyone else going to that 
one? see you there maybe?

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE someone reply. I really want more B&S 
tapes.............I have ����� or $$$$$ but if you were nice you'd give 
me a copy for nothing anyway. :o)

oh well,
That didn't seem too bad for a first post.
see ya
Simon.


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From TFertig3 at xxx.com  Fri Jan 22 22:12:49 1999
From: TFertig3 at xxx.com (TFertig3 at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:12:49 EST
Subject: Sinister: Now do the coffee jingle
Message-ID: <2708d3d0.36a8f7e1@aol.com>


Hello to all,

I got the Acid House soundtrack.  Did anyone ever bother having a listen to
it?  Anyway I can't tell the difference in Slow Graffiti.  What is the
difference anyway?  Oh dear,  I should check the archives for that, eh.  Arab
Strap scares me.  Are all Arab Strap songs so smutty as the one in Acid House?
Overall I don't like it very much.  Too many stupid songs.

And Stephen Duffy must have had some awful years, circa 1986.  I got They
Called Him Tintin, or at least that's what I think it's called, and it's
mostly poo.  I haven't gotten anything good in a long time.  What is the
absolute best album of all time (that's not B&S)?  I will get it.

And, what do Hefner sound like?  And for that matter, what do Camera Obscura,
Snow Patrol, and Salako sound like?  Or is that too vague?  Like asking what
an eggplant smells like.  Actually, they smell an awful lot like cake.
Sometimes I arrive home from school and I think there's a cake baking, and
then I discover it's only an eggplant.  It's pretty disappointing.  My
favorite shape is eggplant shape.  My chemistry teacher is shaped a bit like
an eggplant.

Does anyone drink Um Bongo?  I had it for the first time in.. 13 years (which
may not seem like a long time to you old people, but it's nearly all of my
life, so it's quite a while!)  I love that drink, it's
heavenlydeliciousyummyinmytummy.

Is Rollercoaster Ride smutty?
Do Belle and Sebastian like chemistry?

That is all,
Tami xxxx

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From AlhOasis at xxx.com  Sat Jan 23 00:32:53 1999
From: AlhOasis at xxx.com (AlhOasis at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:32:53 EST
Subject: Sinister: Q: How many mailing list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb?
Message-ID: <74ab6d61.36a918b5@aol.com>


A: 1,331 ...

 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mailing list that the light
bulb has been changed

 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light
bulb could have been changed differently.

 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.

 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs.

 53 to flame the spell checkers

156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb
discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list.

 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.

 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this
e-mail exchange to alt.lite.bulb

 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and
alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped.

 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light bulbs
and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list.

 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy
the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique,
and what brands are faulty.

 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs

 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs.

 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list
which makes light bulbs relevant to this list.

 33 to quote all posts to date, including all headers and footers, and then
add "Me Too."

 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle
the light bulb controversy.

 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."

 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.

 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.

 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it
here.

 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.

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From asbuch at xxx.edu  Sat Jan 23 00:56:52 1999
From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:56:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: Q: How many mailing list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb?
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har de har har.

What familiar English word is pronounced wrong by practically everyone?

answer: the word "wrong"

Ciao


Heather Marie Propes   asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu       



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From promqueen at xxx.com  Sat Jan 23 01:40:36 1999
From: promqueen at xxx.com (promqueen at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 99 01:40:36 +0000
Subject: Sinister: striken with a malady that mimiks death...
Message-ID: <199901230140.UAA26517@gold1.digiweb.com>


hallo my pretties.

this is my second message.  just so y'all know why you don't know me yet.  i've been around, but so very silent.  

i arktually had a question that perhaps someone on this list could answer concerning the politics of your hair-dos.  hee hee, no really.  i'm curious about hair dye.  I'm nearly no longer a teenager (6 months left!) and almost out of college (one little year to go) and i'm getting worried that i haven't taken advantage of my youth.  hee hee, no, i have always wanted to dye my hair a brilliant royal navy color and figure nows the time to give into my indie-punk inclinations.

the real question is about the dye to use.  I want to do a permanent dye (i have dark hair, and would have to bleach it first) but i don't think that they exist in the US.  I have heard you can get permanent color hair dye outside the US though.  Since there are people from all over the world on this here list, I figure someone might have some imput.  If so, please email me (or the list) and let me know if there are places I can order it from, or something.

on a different, much more rockin note...

THE JESUS AND MARY CHAIN!!!! yippeee!  i forget who mentioned them, but i must admit i am a suker to everything these men stand for.  jim and william are up there with daniel ash and mike ness on my list of "men who put the 'rock' back into 'rockstar'"  aiiiieee.  
 
I saw them twice this summer, and would go again and again untill eternity.  even despite the fact that they nearly fell off the stage in denver, and jim kept droping the mike and william forgeting the chords... well they are still my favorie band (well, there is the cure and joy division and the smiths and pulp and yes, bauhaus... and the apples in stereo, and of course b&s... but i have a lot of favorite bands)

i recomend everything by them, to answer your question.  stoned and dethroned is their most indie-rock album (shane macgowan does a track on it!)  psychocandy, darklands, honey's dead, i hate rock and roll... all good.  and then there is automatic, which isn't looked on as the boys at their best, but i don't see why.  The new album Munki should have been on everyone's list of best of 98.  Just plain perfect.

enough ranting.  

receptionist?  unhappy medium...

lisa 


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From tinystar at xxx.com  Sat Jan 23 03:18:03 1999
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:18:03 -0500
Subject: Sinister: it's all possible because of plastics!
Message-ID: <010f01be467f$18ae0040$601e05d1@tinystar>


aloha, i have recently purchased a polaroid camera and am totally obsessed.
if i ever get a scanner, you can see how skilled i am. if not, hope you're
in my good books and you might get a nice one for valentine's day (yes
wumpkinny, that means you - although i'm not sure what wumpkinny really
means, it looks like it wouldn't be anything terribly bad and may in fact be
something quite cozy).

it's too bad, really, that stuart murdoch doesn't live close to me. because
i could take arty nudes of him...<sigh> or i could just serenade him with my
flute and lovely pants. although i would never leave mysterious photos under
his front mat.

kristen "big sis" schaffenberger wrote:
>>After this self-obsessed spiel, I come to the conclusion that Jessica and
I must resemble each other somehow.  Anyone think we could have been
separated at birth?<<

find out for yourself, kids: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/3733 and i
know it desperately needs updating, but i've been learning fancy programming
tricks so that you will be able to enter a password and then see different
things depending on what password you gave. so it may not be impressive
right now, and geocities may have put their crap all over it, but it won't
be forever. i should really find another web hosting thing.

niceaction was gettin' some:
>>I think David should investigate getting a range of ladies and gents
matching
B&S underwear for the sinister shop.  On the front of the guys Y fronts
could
be a nicely drawn picture of a bus, and on the ladies undies, a Bus Garage
could be emblazened on the front.<<

i feel that i must step in here and mention that i can make said underwear.
i've already sewed myself dresses and fancy tops with gathering (although it
is, technically, called ruching), and i even crocheted myself a bikini in
the summer. it is blue. i'm now crocheting a tube top/sweater hybrid, in
fashionable grey. if i ever learn how to crochet a pattern like a bus or
stuart murdoch's sexy legs, i'll post instructions to the list. but if
you're in toronto and see a girl with "sugarplum" written on the front of a
teeshirt and it's all glittery and she has glasses and short blonde hair and
is perhaps carrying a polaroid camera, it's me so please say hello. and if
you get me on a non-shy day, i could even be persuaded to show you what sort
of underwear i have on. today: shiny gunmetal grey halston bikini briefs
(different from plain bikini underwear in that these have more substance),
under jeans, grey teeshirt, no bra, black cardigan with little embroidered
cat.

mrs. murdoch: could you please be my mum too? and because the house would be
a bit small with both stuart and i, we would have to share a room and
snuggle under the covers, just me and stuart and my little lion named
roarrr. if you were my mum, would that mean that stuart and i couldn't get
up to no good? i do suppose so. maybe we could work something out...i seem
to be having explicit dreams involving stuart, baby oil and john 3:16 pants.
actually, i don't even know john 3:16 so forget about the pants.

about arthur lee: i know everyone has answered this already, but i have to
mention that the rhino "love box: 1966-1972" is fab! has all the best hits
on it. i find that it's good make-out music, if anyone finds they need
accompaniment whilst they get down to business. and you'll see where the
whole "dog on wheels" ep came from, as well as "seymour stein" where he
sings "back to meeeeee-heeee", right after "have you ever seen dundee". if
you have, in canada, he does commercials for subaru.

simon "first post" barr wrote:
>>I can't wait for Stuart David's "Up a tree" (March 8) and "The ballad of
Ray Suzuki" (Feb 22). Also, Isobel's "The green fields of foreverland"
(April 5) and "Weathershow" (March 22).<<

2 things about this one: april 5 is my birthday, so you can all mark that
down on your calendars and send me new underwear. international underwear -
how exotic! and secondly, does "the green fields of foreverland" not sound
like a brian mclean song? or robert wyatt...

andrea "swf" corby wrote:
>>only when Bev asked if her boyf could see them did
we discover that they were bright pink with little miss chatter box on the
front.  She also informed us she has little miss shy and little miss
sunshine as well.<<

could someone please tell me where one could get underwear like this? i
think they would go quite well with white undershirts with a bow on the
front. my mission is to find hello kitty underwear. either that, or
underwear with cherries on it.

okay, that is all. i need to recharge my toothbrush.

sleepy,
jessicaxo

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside
the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even
orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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From tinystar at xxx.com  Sat Jan 23 03:19:11 1999
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:19:11 -0500
Subject: Sinister: it's all possible because of plastics!
Message-ID: <011801be467f$27ff8280$601e05d1@tinystar>


aloha, i have recently purchased a polaroid camera and am totally obsessed.
if i ever get a scanner, you can see how skilled i am. if not, hope you're
in my good books and you might get a nice one for valentine's day (yes
wumpkinny, that means you - although i'm not sure what wumpkinny really
means, it looks like it wouldn't be anything terribly bad and may in fact be
something quite cozy).

it's too bad, really, that stuart murdoch doesn't live close to me. because
i could take arty nudes of him...<sigh> or i could just serenade him with my
flute and lovely pants. although i would never leave mysterious photos under
his front mat.

kristen "big sis" schaffenberger wrote:
>>After this self-obsessed spiel, I come to the conclusion that Jessica and
I must resemble each other somehow.  Anyone think we could have been
separated at birth?<<

find out for yourself, kids: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/3733 and i
know it desperately needs updating, but i've been learning fancy programming
tricks so that you will be able to enter a password and then see different
things depending on what password you gave. so it may not be impressive
right now, and geocities may have put their crap all over it, but it won't
be forever. i should really find another web hosting thing.

niceaction was gettin' some:
>>I think David should investigate getting a range of ladies and gents
matching
B&S underwear for the sinister shop.  On the front of the guys Y fronts
could
be a nicely drawn picture of a bus, and on the ladies undies, a Bus Garage
could be emblazened on the front.<<

i feel that i must step in here and mention that i can make said underwear.
i've already sewed myself dresses and fancy tops with gathering (although it
is, technically, called ruching), and i even crocheted myself a bikini in
the summer. it is blue. i'm now crocheting a tube top/sweater hybrid, in
fashionable grey. if i ever learn how to crochet a pattern like a bus or
stuart murdoch's sexy legs, i'll post instructions to the list. but if
you're in toronto and see a girl with "sugarplum" written on the front of a
teeshirt and it's all glittery and she has glasses and short blonde hair and
is perhaps carrying a polaroid camera, it's me so please say hello. and if
you get me on a non-shy day, i could even be persuaded to show you what sort
of underwear i have on. today: shiny gunmetal grey halston bikini briefs
(different from plain bikini underwear in that these have more substance),
under jeans, grey teeshirt, no bra, black cardigan with little embroidered
cat.

mrs. murdoch: could you please be my mum too? and because the house would be
a bit small with both stuart and i, we would have to share a room and
snuggle under the covers, just me and stuart and my little lion named
roarrr. if you were my mum, would that mean that stuart and i couldn't get
up to no good? i do suppose so. maybe we could work something out...i seem
to be having explicit dreams involving stuart, baby oil and john 3:16 pants.
actually, i don't even know john 3:16 so forget about the pants.

about arthur lee: i know everyone has answered this already, but i have to
mention that the rhino "love box: 1966-1972" is fab! has all the best hits
on it. i find that it's good make-out music, if anyone finds they need
accompaniment whilst they get down to business. and you'll see where the
whole "dog on wheels" ep came from, as well as "seymour stein" where he
sings "back to meeeeee-heeee", right after "have you ever seen dundee". if
you have, in canada, he does commercials for subaru.

simon "first post" barr wrote:
>>I can't wait for Stuart David's "Up a tree" (March 8) and "The ballad of
Ray Suzuki" (Feb 22). Also, Isobel's "The green fields of foreverland"
(April 5) and "Weathershow" (March 22).<<

2 things about this one: april 5 is my birthday, so you can all mark that
down on your calendars and send me new underwear. international underwear -
how exotic! and secondly, does "the green fields of foreverland" not sound
like a brian mclean song? or robert wyatt...

andrea "swf" corby wrote:
>>only when Bev asked if her boyf could see them did
we discover that they were bright pink with little miss chatter box on the
front.  She also informed us she has little miss shy and little miss
sunshine as well.<<

could someone please tell me where one could get underwear like this? i
think they would go quite well with white undershirts with a bow on the
front. my mission is to find hello kitty underwear. either that, or
underwear with cherries on it.

okay, that is all. i need to recharge my toothbrush.

sleepy,
jessicaxo

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside
the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even
orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Sat Jan 23 15:56:19 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:56:19 EST
Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian stuff for a change....
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In a message dated 1/22/99 5:27:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lilac_wine93 at hotmail.com writes:

<< Does anyone have a copy of the Black Session too ?? *beg* >>
let me second the begging there.. I'll pay if need be, or cover postage or
whatever.
                                                                       dave!
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From pag213 at xxx.edu  Sat Jan 23 17:01:26 1999
From: pag213 at xxx.edu (Peter Greenspan)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:01:26 -0500
Subject: Sinister: B&S Vocals?
Message-ID: <36AA0066.770B9BAD@is7.nyu.edu>


Hello all...Does anyone have any suggestions as to bands or individuals
who sing in the same tone (lazy, muted, very melodic) as Stuart
Murdoch?  I have decided that one of the things about the band that
makes them so unreal is S.M.'s delivery of the lyrics--and I have not
been able to find other singers who can scream so loud without raising
their voice like Stuart?

p.s.   I am also filing a formal appeal (i.e. begging) for anyone who
can help me get the Black Sessions, or the NY 1997 show (I live around
the block..literally..from where B&S played in 1997 and I didn;t know
about them yet!!!).  I am quite desperate and would do most anything to
get those (or any) live shows.

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From dakota_ng at xxx.sg  Sat Jan 23 16:53:53 1999
From: dakota_ng at xxx.sg (evilive)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:53:53 +0800
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <01be46f0$f5452f80$4d7618d2@dakota_ng>


sorry to have send this to the whole list
but i have some japanese pressed CDs
(brand new!! only the side seal has been
opened for inspection) to sell.

radiohead - no surprises/running from demons
(japan only 6-track: no surprises, pearly, melatonin, 
meeting in the aisle, bishop's robes, a reminder)
[2 copies in stock]

radiohead - creep (4 tracks: creep, yes i am,
blow out (remix), inside my head (live))
[1 in stock]

radiohead - itch (japan only 8-track EP including
stop whispering (US version), thinking about you,
faithless, banana co., killer cars (live),
vegetable (live), you (live), creep (acoustic))
[1 in stock]

blur - the great escape
(normal 15 tracks + 2 bonus tracks only on jap-pressed)
[2 in stock]

all CDs at US$20 (including postage and whatever else)
please email me privately if you want it.
first come, first serve basis.

Henry



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From pookie59 at xxx.com  Sat Jan 23 17:50:41 1999
From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:50:41 PST
Subject: Sinister: Mambo Miam Miam!
Message-ID: <19990123175041.7657.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello list!
  Are you all having fun today? I'm not...I have to study..i'm not 
exactly the brightest crayon in the box, i'm not a math person..so that 
should make me a good english person,right? wrong!i am a nothing 
person.. essays drivve me insane..so i guess i'm a non-scolaire type of 
person...so grumble grumble..cartesian graphs and all that crap..

all rod...all night...

lesley jo has a most lovely,cute page! you know that Isobel lookalike 
Edie Seberg picture? I don't know what Edie Seberg looks like,but I 
found Isobel actually looked a lot like Stuart Murdoch in that 
picture,except she's got curvy biceps,Stuart's got sharp defined ones. I 
think the Belle and Sebastian genes are splicing and mutating so they 
starting to ressemble each other more and more.

and oh GOSH,i shoulda listened to tag sooner..serge gainsbourg,oh MY! 
wow wow,my heart beats FASTER.. i'm addicted now,that's it..no more 
eating for genevieve,all money goes to cds.
and I thought those questions were really funny!it was pure,classic tag 
humour..i laughed out loud and last time i laughed out loud was John 
Warrender's jolly ranger post. we shouldn't be so uptight! now lets 
remove those sticks up our bums and be nicer to everyone.
you have to be a little controversial in this mad mad sinister 
world,except that Keith! the favourite shape commentary was a little 
dangerous,perhaps too controversial,but i like the crazy,edgy genius it 
reveals.

all rod...all night...

what are ye-ye dresses?  

let's never speak of sagging on here again,that process or word,scare me 
to death.

hi karolyne,hello! i live in quebec as well..i live in edelweiss,quebec 
(which you've probably never heard of)our only claim to fame being that 
our road was voted most beautiful of the gatineau hills..(YAY!) i go to 
school in terrible,sleazy, trashy Hull though.
   And what's wrong with boys! sometimes too sensitive is a little 
wimpy,yes? i'm mean..you have a scale,you don't want the 'make a sammich 
woman!' but too far in the opposite direction is just as bad, a man's 
man who's a little crusty is ok though.. sigh,like serge gainsbourg 
picking you up after school on a motorcycle or something,with red 
roses...on a breezy,warm summer afternoon. it's all a matter of style,if 
you can pull it off.My old french teacher Monsieur Austin,unbuttoned his 
shirt to mid-chest to reveal hairy chest and gold medallions...and he 
called me nou-nou. Now,he could not pull off that look. Those 
indie-glasses,same deal.They work best on cold,unattainable record shop 
boys in flares and obscure little tshirts..but not on Le Chateau boys! 
(who don't even have a vision problem) and what's wrong with thin 
frames? red wing's larinov looks gorgeous in his,that whole 'i'm 
intelligent but not pretentious,let me stroke my chin while i look at 
you intently' look. i still rather see everyone in indie-rock glasses 
than  ridiculous huge yellow tommy hilfiger style jackets that look like 
people are preparing for a flood!

all rod...all night...

but we all know stuart murdoch is no wimp..the undie jokes,tea and 
biscuits and bar jokes,the pasty-faced mama's boys jokes? please...when 
he rips off that felt t-shirt and matching pants there is a whole lotta 
man to be loved. (don't feign innocence,you've all thought about 
this,those dirty dreams)he is The Mac,and we are all his bitches...(we 
just can't resist, and now back to newton's second law)

miam miam and x o x o
genevieve

"Mine's a round ovally shape." ------- Keith Watson


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From lonelyhighway at xxx.com  Sat Jan 23 20:49:46 1999
From: lonelyhighway at xxx.com (Corpora Arenacea)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:49:46 PST
Subject: Sinister: Snail Trail
Message-ID: <19990123204946.1486.qmail@hotmail.com>


>mrs. murdoch: could you please be my mum too? and because the house 
would be
>a bit small with both stuart and i, we would have to share a room and
>snuggle under the covers, just me and stuart and my little lion named
>roarrr. if you were my mum, would that mean that stuart and i >couldn't 
get
>up to no good? i do suppose so. maybe we could work something out...i 
seem
to be having explicit dreams involving stuart, baby oil and john 3:16 
>pants.
>actually, i don't even know john 3:16 so forget about the pants.

   Hooray for lust, does anyone else find the above more than a bit 
scary? I think that if anything like the above happened everyone 
involved would go straight to the can for infantile abuse. 
   Oh, that song is on right now... I get to listen to my old radio 
station on the computer.... "I'm not waiting.... 'til I grow up..... to 
be a woman!!!" Thank you God. For Little Girls.
   Hey Jessica, my mom sucks too but go see the new Sharon Stone flick 
if you wanna see adoption gone horribly wrong, eh? 
   Gawd, I never thought I'd recognize a Queens accent done =wrong=. I 
wonder if Sharon did field research... hanging out with the yentas down 
at Waldbaum's..... carrying a little notepad, "o.k., it's -sawlt an' 
peppah-.  No you won't see my -vaginer- in the new flick". 
   By the way, if you've ever seen the John 3:16 guy, he happens to look 
strikingly similar to Marty Krofft. Too similar. Though apparently 
John's in jail now for slaughtering his family but I don't know if he 
gets to the halfway house for book signings....

                                      -Enoch

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From dec at xxx.uk  Sat Jan 23 20:58:53 1999
From: dec at xxx.uk (Declan McGurk)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:58:53 -0000
Subject: Sinister: stuart murdoch in play by e-mail!!!
Message-ID: <000301bf65ef$08269a80$960c883e@oemcomputer>

hey everybody. 
i've just come across a little play by e-mail site (well, to be pitifully accurate: i made the site) which has Stuart MUrdoch in it!!!!
OK then, i haven't mailed in a while but thats because i've been spending a lot of time creating the site. and well i need people to start it going.
find it at Celebrity Play By E-Mail. Thi isn't advertising, it's just me sharing my thoughts with all the B&S fans in the world. Hey at least you can bank on getting a go at playing it. i cant find none with vacant positions. not that i'm looking too hard or owt.
 
Dec
 
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From TFertig3 at xxx.com  Sun Jan 24 04:26:35 1999
From: TFertig3 at xxx.com (TFertig3 at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:26:35 EST
Subject: Sinister: Drake tree
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Hello again,

Well my long curiousity of Nick Drake ended today.  I bought Five Leaves Left,
and I dunno what to think.  It was a choice between that and Bryter Later, and
this was the cheaper of the two..   I only really like a few songs, especially
The Thoughts of Mary Jane.  The whole album kinda makes me antsy.  Like being
on the verge of peeing in my pants.  Very depressing stuff, it is.  And I
don't think that he sounds like Stuart Murdoch very much.  More like Tom
Waits, which is not a good thing.  I once got a CD of Tom Waits out from the
library, which is a pretty dorky thing to do.  It was awful, and his voice
sounded like what cow manure smells like.

But I have not given up all hope on the Drakesty, because it seems as though
the whole B&S-lover population adores his music.  I think it's the lack of
percussion that's driving me mad.  Anyway, are his other albums better, or the
same, or worse?  If I don't really like this one all that much, should I even
bother?

Why people compare B&S to Nick Drake, I dunno.  It's a mystery to me.  The
closest song I can think of that sounds like him, (based on the 10 Nick Drake
songs that I now know) is Rhoda, I suppose.  And I don't much like that song.

I've got nothing really else to say, so I'll go now..

Tami xxxx

p.s. Genevieve, maybe you can help me with Physics, as I have a mid-term this
week, and I'm horrible at it!

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From MindGardns at xxx.com  Sun Jan 24 05:07:14 1999
From: MindGardns at xxx.com (MindGardns at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:07:14 EST
Subject: Sinister: Drake tree
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In my opinion, BRYTER LAYTER is his best album and it's definitely worth
picking up. If you find the lack of percussion on FIVE LEAVES LEFT to your
distaste, then you most cetainly wouldn't dig his third and final album, PINK
MOON. 

I would suggest that you try listening to FIVE LEAVES LEFT over and over - it
really is a wonderful, yet challenging, record that requires repeated
listenings to really get into.

The reason I bought IF YOU'RE FEELING SINISTER in the first place was from
reading favorable comparisons to Drake, Donovan, and The Fairport Convention.
Maybe Donovan or Fairport would be better suited to your tastes. Any of
Donovan's 1960's albums or Fairport's THINGS WE DID ON OUR HOLIDAYS  would be
a great place to start.

       John
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From evanbear at xxx.com  Sun Jan 24 05:40:21 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:40:21 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Drake tree
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<<< I once got a CD of Tom Waits out from the
library, which is a pretty dorky thing to do.  It was awful, and his
voice
sounded like what cow manure smells like.>>>

:::blink blink::::

umm manure sounds sweet, too sweet to most
i wonder if youve ever smelled manure to say that?
tom wait's voice is anything but sweet
it may be too much for you to handle or not to your liking but manure?
sorry but no thats just silly
and how the hell does Nick Drake sound ANYTHING like tom waits? is this
some obscure girly tom waits im unaware of
i just dont get anything you said not meant to be an insult but you may
not like it but your critisizm makes no sense to me
only way nick drake could be like tom waits is that the lyrics are sad
but the music is only similar in that its carefully arranged and
beautiful
lack of percussion? what about those splendid bongos or whatever they
are? oh wait thats only on a few songs isnt it ok i guess that makes
sense
i can't always take nick drake either one definitely needs to be in a
very specific mood

again not meant to be an insult im just flabbergasted is all
but youll prolly take it the wrong way as most people do when i say
stuff like this
as for the B&S/drake comparisons its because of the delicacy of the
vocals and intricacy of the arrangemnts or something like that
its not the specifics but the general feel of it
ill shut up now
-----Ev
np-Sneetches-Slow (great stuff these sneetches many a person here would
like em methinks)
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But I was sad as I listened to it all alone
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Sun Jan 24 12:17:26 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 04:17:26 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Look at ME, i'm special
Message-ID: <001201be4793$82486620$3c11020a@rebelstrange>


>>matching
B&S underwear for the sinister shop.  On the front of the guys Y fronts
could
be a nicely drawn picture of a bus, and on the ladies undies, a Bus Garage
could be emblazened on the front.<<
Mandatory bitch session: I thoroughly oppose the concept of my nether
regions being reduced to a parking space for you Boys' big(sic) shiny buses.
there, i said it, i feel better now.

simon says:>>n't the re-release of "Tigermilk" a pain in the arse ??
My copy's gonna plummet in value now. Maybe I should sell while I
can.......nah, never.
Umm.....anyone else think that remark is...well....vaguely EVIL???  tsk tsk,
you money grubbers!! would you sell it anyway?  didnt' think so.  enjoy it.
dont' wrap it in plastic and leave it in an airtight safe, all lonely until
you'r 70 years old and decide to use the money to buy a shiny new walker.
you feebs!  unwrap it, and kiss it all over, and take baths with it, and use
it to keep your arse warm on camping trips, and incorporate it into your
sexual pleasures, only then will you fully appreciate the joy of your copy
of tigermilk.  actually i'm only jealous i can't do that, cos i don't have
one.

Well. i think we nearly all can rejoice, now that the plaintive yet sultry
vocal stylings of one isobel will gracing an entire album.  everyone should
stock up on smelling salts, cos the swoon factor of the earth is  bound to
be doubled, at least.  lads and lasses will be dropping like flies.   and
thanks to the luvverly david kitchen for pointing out to me, cos i needed to
check out the jeepster site again, and that's how i found out!  hooray,
hooray, how excited i was.
OH. i was wondering, would anyone like to ask a question to the All-knowing
apple core, Corey.  corey will answer any question and print them in my new
Tiggerjammies zine issue.  Corey you may remember, used to be a shiny apple,
but now he/she/it is a half of a shriveled apple core, and sees and knows
all wisdom.  humor me here.  just ask, "Dear Corey" for love advice,
predictions, science wizzing, and the removal of minor household stains.
guaranteed to be both totally insane, annd obsessively scary, especially to
stuart murdoch.  Corey is a special for commemorative issue on the DC
adventures of jess and I, it would be empty without a wisdom-dispensing
dehydrated apple core whose skin was polished by Stu.  come to think of it,
most publications suffer from the lack of the same.  Spin, for example, is
going  down the drain even more quickly than i expected.  someone in there
said her album was disappointing.  but they  won't live to explain why......

poor misguided jessica, you can't mess around with stuart m, he isnt' even
composed of flesh, we all know that he is made of pure light, and such as
that.  it wouldnt' be proper.
cheers to lee for her winsome evocation of love woes for the er, reserved
among us.  a pain i know all too well and know some of you out there
understand too.....  and cheers to erica "not Graham" for being just
generally cute in posting.  just cos.
I checked out ginger's photos, and though the day looked gray, i'm still
insanely jealous!

I'm hoping to acquire a 4-track and churn out some more poorly-created lo-fi
musicks of my own.  i'm sure it is what the world needs most, me going on
and on in my boring voice, but i just ache to do it. i got a new guitar
yesterday.  my other one is a strat copy, i've had it for a number of years
and liked it, but it always felt....dull to me.  so heavy and sharp and
unintuitive.  i have always wanted a hollow-body gibson 335 cherry red type,
with the violin sound holes on it and all that. so i found one that is in
that style, in the local shop, for $100, i tried it out, and they fixed the
little tone knob, and i took it home yesterday.  it's rather like a scruffy
little pup that no  one  wants, everyone takes a look at his mangy coat and
bad form and thinks he'll die within the week, but when he looksa t you with
those soulful sad eyes, you wrap him in your coat and you are in love by the
time you get home.  it's lacquer is all cracked from age, and it has so many
scratches and dings and chips in it, and it looked  dusty and dirty, and
there are 2 little holes drilled in odd places on the body, i can't imagine
what they are for.  the metal plate on teh back says made in japan, and the
brand Kimberly is something i can't find mentioned on any music info places.
so a guitar person would  probably tell me it is a piece of crap, but you
just have to hear the sound of it!  so beautiful.  it feels so nice like my
other one never has, like it's joined to my body.  hah. you could make a bad
joke there, but i'll resist.  and its' so  beautiful it has one of those
tailpieces on it i think a tremelo bar is supposed to go there, but it
didn't hav ea bar with it so i'm not sure, but it looks exactly like  i
always wanted, like pj harvey's old days  cept hers had a black pick guard.
hehe.  i just spent forever looking at it from all angles and dusting it off
and examining it, and playing it unplugged, i even named her Margaret
because it was the first name i thought of and it was a necessary cliche to
name my guitar.  my car hasnt' got a name so i thought i should name some
inanimante object of mine.  anyway maybe i should just forget about finding
a pretty girl, and stick to my guitar, it looks like this will be the
closest i'll get to love this year.  *sigh*  I can't wait to play Dirty
Dream on it, it has just the right sound for it.  lala.  that's a fun song
to play, kiddies, nother fun one is Belle and sebastian.  maybe i can
serenade some lovely lassie on it, one starlight night.
oops i went on too long again
lesleyjo



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No bachelor has ever experienced such desolate loneliness as does the
spinster; for the bachelor is a man, and the older spinster but a male-like
woman.
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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 24 15:22:50 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:22:50 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Hey but was in vaguely in the I I and it? the into go c'mon and see.
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	Hey, lay off Nicky... I think that "Five Leaves Left" is 
probably not the best thing to start with, but then again, just close 
your eyes and listen to "Time Has Told Me". Mmmmmmmmm..... 
	And of course, Ms lesleyjo was heard to say:
> simon says:>>n't the re-release of "Tigermilk" a pain in the arse 
> ?? My copy's gonna plummet in value now. Maybe I should sell 
> while I can.......nah, never.
> Umm.....anyone else think that remark is...well....vaguely 
> EVIL???  tsk tsk, you money grubbers!! would you sell it 
> anyway?  didnt' think so. enjoy it. dont' wrap it in plastic and 
> leave it in an airtight safe, all lonely until you'r 70 years old and 
> decide to use the money to buy a shiny new walker. you feebs! 

	Damn, beat me to it...! As far as I'm concerned, I want 
everyone, yes EVERYONE to hear Tigermilk and not just a 4th 
hand warped tape of it, damnit. Though I quite like my little tape to 
tell the truth, I'll be out there on the day to buy it and then I'll be 
playing it to my uninterested friends until they do the same. Are 
you all up for it? Yeah? Yeah! Let's take over the world!
	Oh, what else, oh yeah, talking of taking over the world, 
what's the sinister consensus on the Gay Dad phenomenon? For 
non-British listees, we've a habit of propelling a previously unknown 
band into superstardom every year or so, and these are the lucky 
winners this time. I have to say I did go out and get the single, if 
only on tape, but I do think it's not half bad. Agree? Disagree? 
C'mon, let's have a heated debate!
	Oh, I've got to go - 4500 words worth of essays to write 
before wednesday and this place closes at 4.30 at weekends. But 
then I've got 2 1/2 weeks of break to enjoy and I'll see you then.
		
		bye,
			james xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



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From mctag at xxx.com  Sun Jan 24 16:56:44 1999
From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:56:44 GMT
Subject: Sinister: I wanna go deep, baby
Message-ID: <36ab47c0.5045392@post.demon.co.uk>


Hello Campers,

I feel a little subdued today, partly cos Genevieve's last mail was so
great that I can't possibly follow it.  Partly because I just watched
Liverpool vs The Great Satan with three Liverpool fans.  A harrowing
experience, akin to a morgue.  Sometimes 8th in the second division
seems quite a safe place to be.  Worst of all, Wumpkinny (TM) has the
flu.

It's time, I think, as Hartley Hare used to say...for the great
unveiling.  Keith and Tag's boy band, as requested by Genevieve.  And
so ladies and gentlemen, well not gentlemen actually, just laydeez, we
bring you...."Roolz".  Obviously everyone knows how much cooler bad
spelling is when you're young, however, we decided that the
traditional boy band selling yourself short thing.  I mean, "It only
takes a minute, girl", "I've got a little something for you", it's
hardly showing off your merchandise is it?.  We're going for the
Lothario in Legwarmers chic, more Barry White than Boyzone.  Actually,
Keith is going to do all the strutting upfront.  I'm going to "play"
an accoustic guitar and look windswept.  All this will be news to
Keith.  But I know he's gagging for it as much as anyone.

Love tag xx
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From MindGardns at xxx.com  Sun Jan 24 17:51:27 1999
From: MindGardns at xxx.com (MindGardns at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:51:27 EST
Subject: Sinister: Fairport album
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In a message dated 1/24/99 12:09:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
MindGardns at aol.com writes:

<< Fairport would be better suited to your tastes. Any of
 Donovan's 1960's albums or Fairport's THINGS WE DID ON OUR HOLIDAYS  would be
 a great place to start.
 
        John
 MindGardns at aol.com >>

I apologize, the correct name of the Fairport Convention album is WHAT WE DID
ON OUR HOLIDAYS.

   
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From DRAGNLUCK at xxx.com  Sun Jan 24 18:04:20 1999
From: DRAGNLUCK at xxx.com (DRAGNLUCK at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:04:20 EST
Subject: Sinister: hello all
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hi, i joined the list a little while ago and have kept quite until now... not
sure what to say i guess and have been enjoying how pleasant all the e-mails
have been.  i just wanted to comment on the nick drake / tom waits thing.
which i thought odd, my first post being non b&s.  but when i first heard nick
drake i didn't get it right away.. i don't think i was paying attention.. but
then i went back to it and fell in love.  for some reason many critics relate
the newer slower artists to him and often times it's hard to hear the
comparisons.  but "cello song" is so wonderful and comes off of "Fives Leaves
Left" so yeah i would agree with the recommendation for that album as well.
uh... tom waits i love him, but not everyone likes his voice.. which on one
hand i understand and on the other i never understood.. but that's people for
you.  i don't think i'd compare tom to nick but that's just me.... personally,
even if it doesn't come through musically some of the lyrics in b&s music and
spiritualized for that matter remind me heavily of t-rex... sigh.  but i don't
know if kids listen to marc bolan.. uh musically it's different but the slower
stuff is just so good.... i hope this makes a little sense.. gotta go...
breakfast with the beatles is on.


hugs and kisses

debbie
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From TheAdwiz at xxx.com  Sun Jan 24 19:27:57 1999
From: TheAdwiz at xxx.com (TheAdwiz at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:27:57 EST
Subject: Sinister: top twelve of the year
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since we're all in the same circle, i figured we always reccommend music to
one another  so why not exchange top twelve lists. Perhaps its because i care
or perhaps its out of pure boredom.......
Here we go.

1. UNKLE - Psyence Fiction
Yes, electronica can be good for you. This is not just a fashionable album as
Spin will tell you but an incredible work of art. Thom Yorke's "Rabbit in your
Headlights" is so haunting and there is such an eclectic style of electronica
here. Everytime i hear "Lonely Souls" with Richard Ashcroft (of the Verve), my
eyes start tearing. The orchestra instrumentation towards the end is enough to
make anyone feel he's in a Nike commercial. Just buy it.

2. Belle and Sebastian - The Boy With An Arab Strap
Does this need an explanation? After all we all have it.

3. Pulp - This is Hardcore
A true follow up to Different Class (a great album in its own right). This is
a great album to listen to and read the lyrics along with it. I love the
lyrics to "TV Movie" everytime i hear it. Reminds me of my life...at least the
bad acting part. And the sheer subtle force of "This is Hardcore" will move
anyone who is "anti Britpop". This album truly is hardcore.

4. Beck - Mutations
After all the hype of this not being the true follow up to Odelay, I was quite
skeptical about this album but after hearing it once, I became one with Beck
Hansen's genius (without the drug use). This eclectic album ranging from
country to folk to tropicalia is just amazing. "Nobody's Fault But My Own" is
perhaps one of the best songs written this year. Who thought that Beck was
capable of such serious music?

5. Air - Moon Safari
An album that will please just about anybody. It's by french people and they
do everything right (see the words "frech band" on album cover). This is a
great mood album and can put anyone in an insta-good mood. You too can feel
sexy as you hear the anthem "Sexy Boy", a necassery song to play while getting
dressed for that Saturday night outing. Chicks will so dig this album and
that's whats important. Right?

6. REM - Up
Yes, there is no escaping from the brilliance of REM. I dont care how many
people are in this band they will still be great. If you weren't satisfied by
this album at first listen give it more of a chance. This album pays off in a
big way. "Walk Unafraid" (which Bono of U2 inspired) is one of REM's most
potent songs ever and "Hope" which updates Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne" in such a
fun song ("fun". hmmm, now that's a descriptive word). And i am always blown
away by the Beach Boys tribute, "At My Most Beautiful". A great band that will
always be great.

7. Elliott Smith - XO
Perhaps the greatest songwriter alive today (along with Beck). If you werent
moved by "either/or" you are a stoic creature from the deepest lagoon. This
album uses more instrumentation than "either/or" and you hear the Beatles
inflences oozing from this masterpiece. Yes, i will call it a masterpiece
because it is. Listen to this album once and tell me you were not moved. If
you weren't check your pulse. Quickly.

8. Beastie Boys - Hello Nasty
Not everything has to be so serious. Yes, I love this album. I think it's an
old skool party (with a "k") and it gives me the speed in my morning walk to
work. "The Negotiation Limerick File" is one of the Beastie's best songs.
Except for the occasional singing vocal attempts, this is an album to "boogie"
to (not that i would know what boogying is). I will join forces with the
Marilyn Mansonites and Smashing Pumpikinites and declare my Beasties love.
Besides these guys are Jewish and they're cool. that's not easy. i should
know.

9. Sloan - Navy Blues
Sometimes I'm not in the mood for original. Sometimes i am in the mood for
formula and a Beatles rip-off. that's fine. If it sounds good, why not? Now
that i have that off my chest, I will defend this Canadien band. It's not
their fault they are Canadien. This is a pop anthem after pop anthem. These
boys have pefected the British Invasion era song and it feels good. i will bop
to this music and i will clap along. And i will not apologize.

10. Mojave 3 - Out of Tune
It came out in England in 1998 so it's still considered for that year.
I have only owned this album for a week and i can't stop listening to it. The
instrumentation of Belle and Sebastian, the vocal grace of Nick Drake, and the
occasional harmony of Simon and Garfunkel ( check out the la-la's on "GIve
What You Take"). A fantastic album for the chill-inclined. This is an example
of where an album title is not at all an indication of the music. Buy this and
be pleased.

11. Mercury Rev - Desert's Songs
 An album that just doesnt squeeze into the top twelve, it truly belongs here.
"Opus 40" with its underlying sample of Pachelbel Canon is a orchestra-pop
sweeper. This is a real change for this noisepop band. It's lost its desire to
ramble with guitar feedback and wound up with a result that will impress you.
This is an indie rock classic of our time.

12. Massive Attack - Mezzanine
I would be considered a heretic if i didnt have this here. An album i cant
describe properly. But i'm sure youre familiar with it, if youre remotely
interested in music. A dark, mysterious album and an equivalent of Radiohead's
"OK Computer".

Compilation of the Year:
Tied for Nuggets boxed set and Field Mice "Where'd You Learn to Kiss That
Way?"

Honorable mentions:
Rufus Wainwright- self titled
Tori Amos - From the Choirgirl Hotel



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From sarah at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 24 19:54:24 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:54:24 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Donkey Roobarb!
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Hello you kids, 

how are your feet? I bet they are all nice and in pink or blue or black
slippers. or perhaps winnie the pooh ones? Aaah the magical world of
slippers. Fab eh? I don't have any slippers though which is sad, but I'd
never wear them anyway would it be I had any. Mine are tired out running
round a pub with plates full of minted lamb chops. Argh! Ack! 

Lesely Jo, who looks like telletubby Po wrote:

>only then will you fully appreciate the joy of your copy
>of tigermilk.  actually i'm only jealous i can't do that, cos i don't have
>one.

You....are strange. Not in a good way. I mean it! Tigermilk may be a loverly
life changing album and extremely groovey but, um, shoving it up your jacksie
is A BAD THING!!! It is against natural moral law I'll have you know. God
will punish you for this ....my friend does religious studies! I just learn
the bits that are useful in arguments.
>
>Well. i think we nearly all can rejoice, now that the plaintive yet sultry
>vocal stylings of one isobel will gracing an entire album. 

*gosh* I'd like to think of an Isobel solo album!! Isobel making folk noises
all over some vinyl, wouldn't it be great if she dueted with Leonard Cohen? I
know he's dead but it would be good anyway. Will she lisp "winningly" on it
as well? Crikey guvner wot a larf eh eh? 

Oh yes, get The Bill Wells octet vs Future Pilot AKA (don't forget the AKA
fokes) cos it IS jazz club and what else? features Stevie-Weevey Jackson and
Katrina Mitchell. Its tres bonne! Steve-a-loo (a version of a portaloo
perhaps? I don't know...) plays harmonica and something else! He plays it
very well, the harmonica hendrix if I may be so bold.

I love the fact that the Aphex Twin has a song called Donkey Roobarb! I also
love the fact that Tag and Keiths boy band is called Roolz but you won't
understand why its so funny cos you don't sit on my table in media studies so
there! I'm a student you know! I study things! So does weejay! What a lot of
students there are.

Weejay is also WRONG about Nick Drake cos Bryter Layter is the best album.
But if you specifically want a breakdown album, get Pink Moon. It's very
scary, and it makes me want to play the acoustical guitar. And Gay dad are
CRAP! Fucking hell! And as for 3 colours red, I've been slagging their single
off without even hearing it just on the basis of 60 mile smile - but I heard
it 3 times today, AND OH MY GOD IT IS THE WORST SOUL DESTROYING MUNDANE
(breathe) "perhaps if we add some strings and cross our fingers and wish, oh
but wish we could ingest the putrid corpse called James Dean Bradfields
songwriting then we will have a hit in the Pop Parade" CRAP!!!!!

>No bachelor has ever experienced such desolate loneliness as does the
>spinster; for the bachelor is a man, and the older spinster but a male-like
>woman.

"girl power!" - some assorted spice chicks.

And Lisa? Good luck if you CAN dye your hair blue. I tried, but cos my hair
is so dark it was just a waste of a fiver. Aah well perhaps, perhaps,
perhaps.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Fluffy Candarel
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From evanbear at xxx.com  Sun Jan 24 21:27:17 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:27:17 -0500
Subject: Sinister: top 12/am i stoic?
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<<<7. Elliott Smith - XO
Perhaps the greatest songwriter alive today (along with Beck). If you
werent
moved by "either/or" you are a stoic creature from the deepest lagoon.
This
album uses more instrumentation than "either/or" and you hear the
Beatles
inflences oozing from this masterpiece. Yes, i will call it a
masterpiece
because it is. Listen to this album once and tell me you were not moved.
If
you weren't check your pulse. Quickly.>>>

well...um i was almost moved, i think this album is pretty far from a
masterpiece
the arrangements while large are not all that spectacular (the duncan
sheik mentality that more=better even if they're arranged simply)
(though the arrangements on xo are far beyond duncan sheik)
there are some great parts, the music is the best part for sure
the lyrics have great moments but his phrasing throughout most of the
record is very irritating
i certainly admit that i am over sensitive to that (i was angry first
time i listened to TBWTAS because the phrasing seemed off but that was
because i had been listening on crappy headphones and couldn't hear the
vocals w/ the instruments)

it seems that elliot found as many people as he could with as many
instruments put them in a big studio and found some semblence of a
melody for the instruments and then tried to sing around it
many times a loose structure and improvisational feel is good but not
for this type of pop music, at least not in my opinion
it just seems like he didnt really try very hard to set the words to
music, the lyrics read well, but he doesnt present them very well
and amity is one of the worst pieces of crap i heard last year
i love the first half of the album pretty much but can't listen to
anything after amity
ill stick with Roman Candle for elliot
and if i want something with admirable orchestral-pop arragements ill
stick with Pernice Bros, Mojave 3, Merc Rev and whoever else im blanking
on

oh and as for best songwriter...hmm...people always will argue about
that no matter who it is but...
im pretty sure Tom Waits is still alive, Mark Eitzel is (at least
physically, he always seems emotionally dead but thats another story),
Will Oldham gets better and better very time he changes his name, Mark
Kozelek (of Red House Painters) Geoff Farina has written some of the
most beautiful songs ever, stephin merritt...blah blah blah
i wotn go on naming more because songwriters are a very personal
selection because not everyone can appreciate or handle Eitzel's pathos,
and a lot of people think Mark Kozelek is a whiny little twit, and Tom
Waits is to icky for some people, Will Oldham is too stuck in another
century (along with Jason Molina from Songs: Ohia), and most people
don't know who Geoff Farina is or at least not as anything but the
geetarist in Karate for which he uses hismost mediocre lyrics
so anyway, i disagree but that doesnt mean a hell of a lot
i don't much like when people use the term "greatest" to describe
anything esp in music but you used perhaps so its all good (|=-)
i think thats all ihave to say
i have to pee anyway so thats it, no editing so i prolly stuck at least
one toe in my mouth
-----Ev
np-Lisa Germano-Happiness (me sad, there are rumors that shes leaving
the music bidness, hopefully the way Robyn Hitchcock did)
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I was happy when I put my new record on
But I was sad as I listened to it all alone
---"Feeling Fine" by Class

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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 24 21:26:51 1999
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:26:51 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk ... oooh, what else?
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Dear people,

well, i never thought i'd experience the day when someone says "oh
bollocks, why ARE they re-releasing tigermilk ... what a drag" ...

... you've made me angry and i need to explain ...

tigermilk was never released with the intention to become a rare or
valuable record. the stow college music project which released the
record did so as part of a music course designed to give people
experience and an insight into the workings of the music industry.

run by alan rankine (from the associates) the project releases a limited
single yearly to help promote local talent whilst providing hands-on
experience to the students of how to go about releasing a record.

the record is limited to 1000 copies, as this helps it to stay within a
college budget, and helps ensures that the cost of production can be met
and recouped.

in the case of belle and sebastian, the college were willing to release
an album in light of the amount of material that the band had and the
band's willingness to part fund the cost of recording, but still the
record was limited to help ensure that the release didn't over-stretch
itself and had a chance of selling and, in doing so, making back the
money that was outlaid on it's production.

as a result the record was released and it took nearly 8 months to sell
the thousand that were produced (actually 200 or so probably went on
promotion of the album and to the band and people that worked on it, so
probably only 800 were sold over the 8 months).

now, the band have always said that it would be re-released when the
time was right. thankfully that time has come, and the record now stands
a chance of finally making the band a few pence. and in spite of this
and the thousands of e-mails, letters and phonecalls that we've received
over the past two/three years begging for it's re-release, that someone
would be so selfish and greedy as to suggest that it's re-release
threatens their potential to sell an original vinyl copy for a huge
amount!!! well, it's unbelievable!

isn't it best for it to be out there, able to be listened to, for people
to be able to hear it. it's beautiful, why should it only reside in the
hands of the precious few?  why shouldn't EVERYONE have the right to own
a copy and to fall in love with it?  isn't the point of belle and
sebastian (and also this list!) that it should be a shared feeling of
love and identity, a link between people, strangers throughout the
world?  doesn't everyone/anyone have the right to join in that feeling?

what i'm saying, is that tigermilk is much more than just a collectors
item, it was created by a band that are more than just 'a band'. and to
devalue that with greed and selfishness is not only directly clashing
with all of the b&s philosophies, but it's also very offensive to the
people that love the band and their music.

the music was written to be heard, and now it is time again for it to be
heard.  if you're not happy with that, well, i'm sorry, but you're
talking to the wrong people and may possibly, in being here, be keeping
the wrong company.

thanks for listening! ;)

cheers,
Katrina & David

-- 
                                 -=-

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From Niceaction at xxx.com  Sun Jan 24 21:52:32 1999
From: Niceaction at xxx.com (Niceaction at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:52:32 EST
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk ... oooh, what else?
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In a message dated 24/01/99 21:35:42 GMT, you write:

<< now, the band have always said that it would be re-released when the
 time was right. thankfully that time has come, and the record now stands
 a chance of finally making the band a few pence. and in spite of this
 and the thousands of e-mails, letters and phonecalls that we've received
 over the past two/three years begging for it's re-release, that someone
 would be so selfish and greedy as to suggest that it's re-release
 threatens their potential to sell an original vinyl copy for a huge
 amount!!! well, it's unbelievable! >>

i brought an original, for £275 today and i am over the moon with it.. i've
brought the record cos im in a fortunate enough position to be able to afford
it, and being a massive fan, i want to have as much B&S stuff as possible.
Anyone wanting to buy a copy for the simple reason of keeping it for a year
and then selling it on for a healthy profit surely needs to get there Pop
morals checked out !

Take it easy peeps 
Jamie
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From dec at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 24 20:53:33 1999
From: dec at xxx.uk (Declan McGurk)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:53:33 -0000
Subject: Sinister: top 12/am i stoic?
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>oh and as for best songwriter...hmm...people always will argue about
>that no matter who it is but...


yeah we wouldnt have to argue if everyone accepted that it was Shane
MacGowan - the greatest single person to grace God's moderately-successful
green (and smoggy) earth.
Check out 'The Snake' or 'Rum Sodomy and the Lash'. They're cool.

Dec

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From WeeChrisBS at xxx.com  Sun Jan 24 22:27:40 1999
From: WeeChrisBS at xxx.com (WeeChrisBS at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:27:40 EST
Subject: Sinister:Tigermilk,New Radicals and Rolling Stones Concert
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Hello List!,

First Of all I'd like to say YES I'M SUPER DUBER HAPPY TIGERMILK IS BEING RE-
RELEASED!!!! I will be so excited to hear iut in full sound and not a hissing
tape that will probaly die soon. To the People who are complaining well I know
You are mad that you'r vinyl copies will go down in value but now Other B&S
fans will have the joy of listening to Tigermilk and B&S and Jeepster won't
have to deal with Bollocks Bootlegging Tigermilk anymore and We can Finaly
Listen to it in our cd players now. If You're still mad Well Booo To you :P

	I'd like to say yesterday I bought New Radical's album Maybe You've Been
brainwashed too and I'd just like to say you all should get it! it makes you
feel sooo good and makes you believe in Amercian Music... well Amercian Rock
music I mean. The Lead singer Gregg Alexander sounds just like Mick Jagger and
They Have a sound of Something between Alterenitve(God I hate That word!) and
The Rolling Stones mixed with a Popy Sound like the Beatles.

Finally I was wondering is anyone on the list going to see The Rolling Stones
on Monday in Oakland? I am WEEEEEEEEEEEE go Me Go me! Im so excited cos This
Is My First time Seeing them(every Tour I missed I thought it was there last)
and They were the first Rock band I liked. Noo I'm not 60 years old I'm 15 see
lets go back to a time when I was trendy and Liked rap and my mom bought
"Voodoo Lounge" and I listened to it and fell in love with it. well I must go
off now 

Ta ta,
-Damon
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From komis at xxx.edu  Sun Jan 24 22:34:25 1999
From: komis at xxx.edu (Dmitry Komis)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:34:25 -0600
Subject: Sinister: top twelve of the year
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At 02:27 PM 1/24/99 EST, you wrote:
>6. REM - Up
> "Walk Unafraid" (which Bono of U2 inspired) is one of REM's most
>potent songs ever 

this album is perfection, "walk unafraid" is my favorite song on the album,
but it was actually inspired by Patti Smith, not Bono

other favorites of 1998:
PJ Harvey "Is This Desire?"...can this woman do anything wrong?
Jeff Buckley "Sketches for my Sweetheart the Drunk"...sleep under the waves
jeff
Portishead "roseland nyc live"

dmitry




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From cockbiter at xxx.com  Sun Jan 24 22:55:03 1999
From: cockbiter at xxx.com (brad .)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:55:03 EST
Subject: Sinister: lifted off of men's room walls
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> where's Brad when you need him, to post a nailmail about which 
> colours and styles give him the biggest stiffy, or which fabrics 
> retain their aromas for longest.

that, my boy would be crude and, furthermore, uncalled for.

i had to leave for a while. i've been checking in on the archives, 
though............it seems like you're all still up to talking about a 
lot of nothing. so what's all this about isobel's solo project? how are 
her bowels treating her? i've been out of the loop for too long.

can't say as i've given the ol' belle and sebastians a spin lately. i've 
been too preoccupied with that hefner album, the last silver jews 
record, and dylan. but i heard about the tigermilk re-issue...speaking 
of, is the jeepster news-only announcement list still up and running? i 
didn't get anything from them about it. i read it on the ubl of all 
places.

ho-hum,
brad

p.s. purple pantsuits and corduroy


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From cockbiter at xxx.com  Sun Jan 24 22:54:57 1999
From: cockbiter at xxx.com (brad .)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:54:57 EST
Subject: Sinister: lifted off of men's room walls
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> where's Brad when you need him, to post a nailmail about which 
> colours and styles give him the biggest stiffy, or which fabrics 
> retain their aromas for longest.

that, my boy would be crude and, furthermore, uncalled for.

i had to leave for a while. i've been checking in on the archives, 
though............it seems like you're all still up to talking about a 
lot of nothing. so what's all this about isobel's solo project? how are 
her bowels treating her? i've been out of the loop for too long.

can't say as i've given the ol' belle and sebastians a spin lately. i've 
been too preoccupied with that hefner album, the last silver jews 
record, and dylan. but i heard about the tigermilk re-issue...speaking 
of, is the jeepster news-only announcement list still up and running? i 
didn't get anything from them about it. i read it on the ubl of all 
places.

ho-hum,
brad

p.s. purple pantsuits and corduroy


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From SGflasho at xxx.com  Sun Jan 24 23:05:42 1999
From: SGflasho at xxx.com (SGflasho at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:05:42 EST
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk release date
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Is there any concrete information when Tigermilk will be released to us
general public folk?

Steve
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From lilac_wine93 at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 00:03:28 1999
From: lilac_wine93 at xxx.com (simon barr)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:03:28 PST
Subject: Sinister: Hey but was in vaguely in the I I and it? the into go c'mon and see.
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>	Hey, lay off Nicky... I think that "Five Leaves Left" is 
>probably not the best thing to start with, but then again, just close 
>your eyes and listen to "Time Has Told Me". Mmmmmmmmm..... 
>	And of course, Ms lesleyjo was heard to say:
>> simon says:>>n't the re-release of "Tigermilk" a pain in the arse 
>> ?? My copy's gonna plummet in value now. Maybe I should sell 
>> while I can.......nah, never.
>> Umm.....anyone else think that remark is...well....vaguely 
>> EVIL???  tsk tsk, you money grubbers!! would you sell it 
>> anyway?  didnt' think so. enjoy it. dont' wrap it in plastic and 
>> leave it in an airtight safe, all lonely until you'r 70 years old and 
>> decide to use the money to buy a shiny new walker. you feebs! 
>
>	Damn, beat me to it...! As far as I'm concerned, I want 
>everyone, yes EVERYONE to hear Tigermilk and not just a 4th 
>hand warped tape of it, damnit. Though I quite like my little tape to 
>tell the truth, I'll be out there on the day to buy it and then I'll be 
>playing it to my uninterested friends until they do the same. Are 
>you all up for it? Yeah? Yeah! Let's take over the world!
>	Oh, what else, oh yeah, talking of taking over the world, 
>what's the sinister consensus on the Gay Dad phenomenon? For 
>non-British listees, we've a habit of propelling a previously unknown 
>band into superstardom every year or so, and these are the lucky 
>winners this time. I have to say I did go out and get the single, if 
>only on tape, but I do think it's not half bad. Agree? Disagree? 
>C'mon, let's have a heated debate!
>	Oh, I've got to go - 4500 words worth of essays to write 
>before wednesday and this place closes at 4.30 at weekends. But 
>then I've got 2 1/2 weeks of break to enjoy and I'll see you then.
>		
>		bye,
>			james xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
I'd never ever sell Tigermilk.
And, Gay Dad's promo B-side "Dim Star" is better than TEWL I reckon.
Are they going to handle the pressure everyone's putting on them?
Wasn't it supposed to be Embrace last year?


Simon.


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From lilac_wine93 at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 00:48:52 1999
From: lilac_wine93 at xxx.com (simon barr)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:48:52 PST
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk ... oooh, what else?
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>From: Katrina House <a-and-r at xxx.uk>
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>Dear people,
>
>well, i never thought i'd experience the day when someone says "oh
>bollocks, why ARE they re-releasing tigermilk ... what a drag" ...
>
>... you've made me angry and i need to explain ...
>
>tigermilk was never released with the intention to become a rare or
>valuable record. the stow college music project which released the
>record did so as part of a music course designed to give people
>experience and an insight into the workings of the music industry.
>
>run by alan rankine (from the associates) the project releases a 
limited
>single yearly to help promote local talent whilst providing hands-on
>experience to the students of how to go about releasing a record.
>
>the record is limited to 1000 copies, as this helps it to stay within a
>college budget, and helps ensures that the cost of production can be 
met
>and recouped.
>
>in the case of belle and sebastian, the college were willing to release
>an album in light of the amount of material that the band had and the
>band's willingness to part fund the cost of recording, but still the
>record was limited to help ensure that the release didn't over-stretch
>itself and had a chance of selling and, in doing so, making back the
>money that was outlaid on it's production.
>
>as a result the record was released and it took nearly 8 months to sell
>the thousand that were produced (actually 200 or so probably went on
>promotion of the album and to the band and people that worked on it, so
>probably only 800 were sold over the 8 months).
>
>now, the band have always said that it would be re-released when the
>time was right. thankfully that time has come, and the record now 
stands
>a chance of finally making the band a few pence. and in spite of this
>and the thousands of e-mails, letters and phonecalls that we've 
received
>over the past two/three years begging for it's re-release, that someone
>would be so selfish and greedy as to suggest that it's re-release
>threatens their potential to sell an original vinyl copy for a huge
>amount!!! well, it's unbelievable!
>
>isn't it best for it to be out there, able to be listened to, for 
people
>to be able to hear it. it's beautiful, why should it only reside in the
>hands of the precious few?  why shouldn't EVERYONE have the right to 
own
>a copy and to fall in love with it?  isn't the point of belle and
>sebastian (and also this list!) that it should be a shared feeling of
>love and identity, a link between people, strangers throughout the
>world?  doesn't everyone/anyone have the right to join in that feeling?
>
>what i'm saying, is that tigermilk is much more than just a collectors
>item, it was created by a band that are more than just 'a band'. and to
>devalue that with greed and selfishness is not only directly clashing
>with all of the b&s philosophies, but it's also very offensive to the
>people that love the band and their music.
>
>the music was written to be heard, and now it is time again for it to 
be
>heard.  if you're not happy with that, well, i'm sorry, but you're
>talking to the wrong people and may possibly, in being here, be keeping
>the wrong company.
>
>thanks for listening! ;)
>
>cheers,
>Katrina & David
>
>-- 

I somehow got the impression that this post was directed towards me.
I said I'd never sell my copy anyway, whatever it was worth - it means 
too much to me. I'll definately be buying the cd when it comes out, my 
record has been played to the death. If more people are going to have 
the album available to them then that's fantastic and if they get half 
as much pleasure out of it as I have, they'll be extremely satisfied. 
Personally, it doesn't really bother me. I've had my daily intake for 
almost three years now and as long as I get my 'fix' (on vinyl or cd) 
then I'll be content. 

Simon.

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From kschaffe at xxx.Edu  Mon Jan 25 01:36:44 1999
From: kschaffe at xxx.Edu (Schaffenberger)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:36:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: Desperately seeking Lord Anthony
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Hello friends,

  I've looked at Jessica's web site, and I can see a sort of vague 
resemblance.  We're not, I don't think, separated at birth, but we could 
probably be voted "Sinister duo who most resemble each other."  Well, 
unless the lot of you are all wearing those dark indie rock glasses.  
It's kinda hard to tell people apart when they're wearing those.  They 
cover up the face and all, you know...

  So, I'm starting to think about the upcoming holiday with which the words 
"special someone" is usually associated.  The person to whom I plan to 
send flowers and candies and whatever else it is you're supposed to send 
people for Valentine's day saw the Belles and Sebs in Chicago and is 
enamoured of "Lord Anthony."  So, can anyone help me out with either a 
copy of the Chicago show or a copy of the song?  I'm more than happy to 
reciprocate with cookies, a tape, stamp collection, whatever.  Well, maybe 
not sexual favors.  And don't be fooled by my altruism; I want a copy of 
the song as much as my sweetie does.

  Many thanks and much love,
  Kristen   
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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 02:59:15 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:59:15 EST
Subject: Sinister: top 12/am i stoic?
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In a message dated 1/24/99 5:23:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, dec at m-
gurk.freeserve.co.uk writes:

<< Check out 'The Snake' or 'Rum Sodomy and the Lash'. They're cool.
 Dec >>

arrr! Shane MacGowan is awesome! I bought Rum Sodomy and the Lash because the
cover slash title made me laugh.. then I listened to the album and it was
amazing. so I snapped up all the Pogues stuff I could find here. They are so
good! check out  <A HREF="http://users.terabit.net/todea/">a rusty tin can and
an old hurley ball</A> or  
<A HREF="http://www.uic.edu/~skovar1/chapter1.html">Chapter 1 The Lost Decade
By Ann Scanlon</A>  for info on the Pogues... very good stuff

       dave 
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From thunderw at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 25 10:20:55 1999
From: thunderw at xxx.uk (James)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:20:55 -0000
Subject: Sinister: just my spiel about songwriters
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goodness me its been a long time since I mailed anything to you lovely lot.
as i remember it i got disillusioned because no-one ever spoke back to me.
but i'm willing to forgive you. as you all seem to be on the subject of
beautiful songwriters i thought i'd just drop a quick line to put a word in
for Vic Chesnutt whose gorgeous weaving disjointed misanthropic southern
drawls sent my psyche spinning off into fantastic new territories when I
was fourteen and have been messing with my soul ever since. also to pledge
my support for nick drake and will oldham (the bonnie prince reigns
supreme). and to make sure you don't forget kurt wagner. i do like elliott
smith - xo is good, especially waltz no 2 (or is it three, i forget) but i
do think elliott fever is getting just a touch out of control. the lad's
vocals sound better live - on the record's they're a little sugar-coated
for my taste. i haven't heard much rufus wainwright yet but he has a
beautiful voice. carole king has been giving me strength lately. and
kristin hersh. (the girl's don't seem to be be getting much of a mention -
oh god, if anyone starts on about bloody alanis morrissette or tori amos
now i'll be sorry i said that.) are we talking about greatest living
songwriters or do dead ones count too? if they do i have four words to
leave you with - Gershwin, Porter, Kern, Berlin. i don't know whether i'm
stretching the parameters of this list a bit, but some of these writers
have been more than important to me. that's my lot.

love from molly
xxxxx
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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 25 11:34:41 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:34:41 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: once in a blue moon
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9901251117460.9323-100000@granby>




Dear list :

Come on,don't be selfish, and be happy because of Tigermilk re-release. My
tape is fine so far, thank you, but sharing is a beautiful thing, or at
least it is what I was told at my convent school at nine, and I haven#t
changed my mind,quite naively!

My postings have become somehow rare lately,though I am not especially
busy just as always,but I had a strange sensation, given the incredible
chatterbox I am, that no words came to my mouth,nothing to say. Maybe I am
posessed by some other 'being' and hadn't noticed the effects yet.It is a
possibility.But after the yeye-underwear glorious week we have had a kind
of silent days that didn't inspire me very much. 


So,Fluffy,I am going to do my best to meet you down in London! You are my
list heroin, and am addicted to your messages. Can anyone persuade Robin
that the Duke of Harringay actually has his residence in Exeter? I can't,
he doesn't believe me.

About Isobel solo stuff, I don't enjoy myself particularly Isobel's
contributions (Lesley Jo, I am one of those defending 'Chickfactor' vs.
'The Gate',yeah , wait for me in the play yard)but that suggested
duet,Isobel plus Leonard sounds terribly appealing. It would have the
glamour and ambiguity necessary to drown in the forgotten memories Nick
Cave-Kylie's one.But all these pretending Isobel should keep their eyes
wide open ,given Mr Cohen's reputation as a ladies ' man...


So, all those Canadians in the list should start promoting the idea!
See you all soooooooooon!

Arantxa







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From fatslug at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 10:57:48 1999
From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:57:48 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Could I have this dance, and can I get in your pants?
Message-ID: <LJGNFCOPCILBCAAA@shared3.whowhere.com>


Hello all you gorgeous people,

My, aren't there a lot of you, over 900 in fact.  Just think,
if every single one of us sent in a review of each of our top ten
favourite records then that would make 9,110 record reviews for
everyone to read through.  My, wouldn't that be fun!

And if every one of us read each of those 9,110 record reviews
and it took thirty seconds to read each one then that would be
a total of over 69,160 hours spent reading each others record
reviews. Gosh!  That's nearly eight years!

I'm sure someone will have said this already, but oh my, weren't
the Hefner blokes rather good on friday night.  Just as well
because I only really went to listen to lots of young girls
discussing their underwear, and I'm afraid there was a very
disappointing lack of panties talk.

Now, I must insist that everyone in the UK watches "League of
Gentleman" this week.  It's a rather bizarre comedy programme
on BBC2, and this week my good friend Michael Chick is an extra.
He's only five years old and I'm sure he'd be thrilled to know
that you all went out of your way to try and spot him.

Here is a conversation that I once had with Michael, I'm not
really his uncle, but I won't go into that.

"Uncle Kevan, why do you have long nails?"
"Because I play the guitar"
"Why do you play the guitar, are you going to go on Stars in
 their Eyes?"

My favourite folk/pop related shape is pentangle.

Kevan
The Fat Slug


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From mkl206 at xxx.edu  Sun Jan 24 22:26:05 1999
From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:26:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: mi vida loca
Message-ID: <v01510100b2d0bc5dfdfd@[128.122.74.21]>


i've decided to use one of those ever popular lists to organize my post
into handy dandy segments for the finer consumption of most listmembers.

1.  underwear
i infact can add little to this thread as i've never had the joy of
experiencing soft fabric against my nether regions.  two words, chastity
belt.  if anyone wants to know how the rust is creeping, feel free to ask
and i'll be sure to tell you daily, using precise measurments and color
charts.

2. rodcam
wow, it's better than baywatch.  http://www.scottcam.com/webcam.html.  not
that i watch it, no siree.  do you think that if we started a letter
writing campaign, we could get rod to sleep in front of the camera?

3. has anybody ever heard of...
the who?  they sound just like belle and sebastian.

4. the wonderful interesting things about me
today i was sitting in my room and doing nothing when i noticed this piece
of fuzz on the floor that was utterly beautiful, and i realized that it was
in the shape of a unicorn!!!!  so i picked it up and mounted it on my wall
with my handy dandy poster tape that only costs $12 a roll from walmart.
it looked so pretty that i promply continued to stick it all over the wall
until i used the whole roll up and realized that i had nothing to stick on
the wall so i promptly hung up a collection of underwear that i've
purchesed but been unable to wear due to point number 1 so i plastered it
to the walls.  i even have some vintage g.i. joe's with the most delicately
placed of stains.  i heard once that they could be sold for $100 in an
auction but there was sentimental value as they had belonged to my first
boyfriend when he was in kindergarten so quite naturally i couldn't be
expected to part from them.  then afterwards i started sticking my placebo
cds on the wall cause they're very indie and i like everyone to see them.
the covers of the cds express something to me that cannot be confined
within the normal constructs of the human language, something about loss
and androgeny which says something about the male vs femal condition.  i'm
not sure exactly what it's saying but i'm working on figuring this out for
my philosophy class.  did i tell you what i got in my philosophy class?  i
got an a- on my most recent paper which was about beanie babies and their
position as surrogate children in the lives of the people who wish to
possess them.  cool huh?

5. top 82 albums of the year
my top singles of the year are, in no particular order
backstreet's back - backstreet boys
division day - elliott smith

i was so surprised that other people had heard about him, i had thought
that i was the only one on the east coast of the united states, but i'm so
glad that there are others.  do people really read cover stories in spin?

alright, i guess that's all i can say, expect another post within the hour!!!

xox
megan

mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu

visit the NEWLY UPDATEDmagnetic fields web page at:
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From Mphintz at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 05:36:44 1999
From: Mphintz at xxx.com (Mphintz at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:36:44 EST
Subject: Sinister: two-step bus
Message-ID: <96d7eb70.36ac02ec@aol.com>


Lesley Jo wrote:
<<Look at ME, i'm special>>

	Yes, you are.  Some people spend all their lives trying to be special; you
were just born that way.  I hear in some cultures that specialness is honored,
but in others you would be thrown in a volcano.  Thank goodness our lives are
much more civilized.  ;-)

	Tag, I didn't know that that was you in boy-group Roolz.  I mailordered from
the Czech Republic by carrier pigeon pt 3 of the 4 part debut single.  The
cover has Tag looking, as he said, "wind-swept".  Keith just looks wet.  The
bside includes a limited remix of "That Means I Am Happy to See You" by DJ
Trousers and the Naked Man Painting Posse.  My mother quite likes the band
too.  

	I saw a some girls on a bus ogling an underwear catalog.  Surely they were
trying for a Sinister list thread moment.  But Stu M wasn't driving--it was a
man mumbling threats to students under his breath.  Perhaps if the girls had
given the catalog to the driver, he would have been more pleasant.  I have yet
to be hit by a bus, but I take my life in my hands every time I cross the
street.  

	My roommate told me I resemble Leanord Cohen when I wear my peacoat.  Should
I worry?

				Living and loving
					Matthew
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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 25 10:21:35 1999
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:21:35 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Jeepster News List
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Hello people,

just to remind everyone that sinister is NOT subscribed to the Jeepster
news list and is you want to receive official + confirmed information on
B&S activity, their side projects and the other Jeepster bands, then you
must go to the Jeepster website at http://www.jeepster.co.uk/mailing.htm
and subscribe ...

... otherwise you'll miss out!

cheers,
Katrina.

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From Michael.Barrett at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 09:33:26 1999
From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.com (Michael)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:33:26 -0000
Subject: Sinister: So, what do you do that's obscene?
Message-ID: <000401be4845$c26a6b10$442fc22b@bond>


Wow.  I'd never heard any Hefner before Friday night, and everyone I'd asked
said 'hmmm, s'alright, nothing special'.  Bollocks, is what I can now say to
that. And as if the singing and lyrics weren't cool enough on their own,
that slide guitar just made the whole evening sublime.  Rock on, the Poetry
Cafe.  Oh, and I bought the album on Saturday, which is also pretty damn
good, and kinda makes B+S sound pretentious and over-produced.

I also got to meet some of the cool set in London - once again I am pissed
off stuck in the middle of nowhere that is Reading. Errica - I assume that
was you drinking the coca-cola.  What a well brought up and well behaved
girl you must be.  I know if that had been me and a friend at sixteen we
would probably have been trying to drink beer and smoke like the big kids,
and would have ended up looking like a couple of pissed-up and green faced
idiots.

Someone mentioned the Isobelle album, and someone else mentioned Looper.
One of these albums I can't wait to get, and the other I intend to avoid
like the plague (although I'll probably buy it out of morbid curiosity).

Michael, just Michael

PS Nicky The Librarian - you were right, I Know Where the Summer Goes is a
great song.
PPS Lady P - Boston or The Money - have you decided yet? (if you took the
money maybe you get a lighter of your own ;-) )
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From caleb.rudd at xxx.net  Mon Jan 25 10:36:07 1999
From: caleb.rudd at xxx.net (Caleb Rudd)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:36:07
Subject: Sinister: Halfner
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Hello peeps

Hefner's (or as Darren joked, Halfner - as it was Darren [Hefner's
singer/guitarist] with occassional member Jack [lap steel guitarist]) show
at the Poetry Cafe on Friday was a huge success, with the Cafe once more
filled to the rafters with gleeful punters. It was great seeing Hefner a
bit more stripped back, allowing Darrens lyrics to really be absorbed and
appreciated (which made me tingle all over).  I must add that Darren seems
a top bloke, very engaging and friendly, only too happy to chat about
Hefner or obscure indie records. 

On the weekend I went to Manchester and stayed with Mr and Mrs Warrander
and Shelley who came down from Birmingham. Sadly Mr Warrander told me he
has left Sinister, and vows never to return. His wit will be sorely missed.
We met up with Tag on Saturday for lunch and stocked Picadilly and King Bee
Records with ample quantities of Papercuts (rush to the shops and get it
now kids!). On Sunday we saw 54, about the notorious Studio 54 club in
Manhatten, which is a pretty good late seventies/drugs/disco tale, even if
it did mirror Boogie Nights a bit too close for comfort. Apparantly the
studio (Disney's Mirramax) enforced much editing and re-shooting against
the director's wishes. The director originally wanted it to be much darker
with showing the lead character Shane (who is rather bland) in a more
hedonistic, bisexual light. I can't compare it to The Last Days of Disco,
not having seen that film, but most people seem to favour Whit Stillmans
treatment. We saw the movie at the 20 screen UCI in the new Trafford centre
complex. What a marvel of modern architecture the Trafford centre is with
different themed sections (New Orleans, Roman, etc). Of course the shops
are just the same shite shops as anywhere else, although the ever popular
MUJI is much appreciated.

erm, yeah that was my weekend. Now I gotto go and buy some new shoes for a
job interview tommorow.

ciao ciao

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From MWaggner at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 13:29:54 1999
From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:29:54 EST
Subject: Sinister: So, what do you do that's obscene?
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In a message dated 99-01-25 08:22:55 EST, you write:

> 
>  Someone mentioned the Isobelle album, and someone else mentioned Looper.
>  One of these albums I can't wait to get, and the other I intend to avoid
>  like the plague (although I'll probably buy it out of morbid curiosity).
>  

I don't know which one you intend to avoid, but if it's the Looper, change
your mind right this minute!  I was lucky enough to get a tape of it, and it
is truly amazing.  I've been playing it repeatedly and noticing something new
each time -- definitely not Pish at all.
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From honey at xxx.net  Mon Jan 25 13:31:19 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:31:19 +0000
Subject: Sinister: B&S giglet
Message-ID: <36AC7227.78FBC550@ph.ed.ac.uk>


Well sort of: the band, minus Stuart David, who probably has another
niece's birthday party to go to, are backing Evie Sands at Hyndlands
church in Glasgow (not the church hall) on Wednesday 3rd February at
7pm.  Price 6 quid, it's non-profit and I think the money goes to the
church or something.  "Sources close to Stuart" (I quite liked saying
that) tell me he's a huge fan of Evie's - she's a 60s singer, but ask
Tag because he knows.  The band won't be doing B&S songs I don't think,
just backing Evie.  If people don't know where the church is, I'm pretty
sure there's full instructions on getting there in the archives, back
when the band (minus Stuart David :) ) did the notorious Kumbaya gig
there last year.

If I can't make it, which is looking likely, will someone say hello for
me to that nice lady who showed me where the toilets were last time?

honey xxx

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From honey at xxx.net  Mon Jan 25 13:27:06 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:27:06 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Old B&S news (eh?)
Message-ID: <36AC712A.CC64F2F3@ph.ed.ac.uk>


Just in case anyone didn't get the B&S news last week from those cuddly
Jeepsters... well at least it's on-topic even if it's old.  More
exciting titbits to follow.

honey xxx


> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Belle & Sebastian are currently recording their fourth studio/church
> album for release in late summer. The band are also planning a three
> track single to be released before the album.
> 
> The much sought after debut album Tigermilk is also scheduled for a
> release in May.  It will be re-mastered and available for the first time
> on CD as well as vinyl.   The decision to re-release the album was
> prompted by the poor quality bootlegs that have been flying around the
> world.
> 
> In between recording the next studio album, Belle & Sebastian band
> members Stuart David and Isobel Campbell have both recorded solo albums
> for release in March and April respectively.
> 
> Stuart David's spoken word electronica combo Looper, features his wife
> Wee Karn and brother Ronnie Black.  A joint project with Sub Pop in the
> U.S., the 10 track debut album Up A Tree on CD and LP is to be released
> on March 8th.  A single Ballad of Ray Suzuki will precede the album on
> 22nd February and features remixes by Bananahand (Salako) and Twin Tub
> (Chris Geddes from B&S and Glasgow graphic designer/DJ Andrew Symington)
> on CD and limited edition 10".   Looper will also play some live shows
> in four independent record shops to coincide with the release of the
> album.  The dates are Tuesday 9th March - Rough Trade Talbot Road,
> London; Wednesday 10th March - Piccadilly Records, Manchester; Thursday
> 11th March - Missing Records Wellington Street, Glasgow; Friday 12th
> March - Avalanche Coburn Street, Edinburgh.
> 
> Isobel Campbell's project The Gentle Waves is a sixties influenced
> pop/folk album  with Isobel as chanteuse and playing most of the
> instruments herself.  There are also contributions from friends and
> various members of Belle & Sebastian. The first limited edition (1000
> copies) 7" single Weathershow will be released on 22nd March with the
> debut album The Green Fields of Foreverland intended for release a
> fortnight later on CD and LP.
> 
> for more information please head to the Jeepster web-site at
> http://www.jeepster.co.uk


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From C.Timmins at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 25 13:35:00 1999
From: C.Timmins at xxx.uk (Claire M Timmins)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:35:00 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Never trust a hen
Message-ID: <26ECDEE65F0@arts.gla.ac.uk>



Ivor Cutler 'I am nothing like a football match' sat. 23rd Jan 1999. 
Glasgow Royal concert hall.

And boy was he right. For those who don't know this immensely 
talented, kinda bonkers man, he is an old schoolteacher who gave up 
the lessons, wrote mental poetry and songs, got friendly with John 
Peel and released albums. He is Scottish, about 70 years old and if 
you ever get the chance to see him perform then please do. 
As a little taster, here is the song Tomato Brain..

A man sits on the grass. He is on the grass.
He is eating a cheese and tomato sandwich,
His torso is the cheese, his legs are the bread
and his brain is tomato.
He tries to get up, but he can't cause his legs are bread.

hahahhahhahhahhhaaaaaaa. I am actually laughing aloud. OK, so you had 
to be there and maybe I didn't get all the words right. But this guy 
may not be around for much longer, so while you can get his records, 
sing his songs, and never trust a hen.

and I bet B&S like him.
thank you for listening.

Claire*****

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Leverhulme Research Assistant,
Department of English Language,
12 University Gardens,
University of Glasgow,
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From evanbear at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 14:02:33 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:02:33 -0500
Subject: Sinister: just my spiel about songwriters
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<<<i'd just drop a quick line to put a word in
for Vic Chesnutt whose gorgeous weaving disjointed misanthropic southern

drawls sent my psyche spinning off into fantastic new territories when I

was fourteen and have been messing with my soul ever since.>>>

damn right, Vic doesnt tend to get enough cred amongst indie kids most
of the time, which is understandable i spose since his lyrics aren't
cute or anything
a bit too obtuse for many people
i have to be in a very specific mood that i couldnt name to handle Vic,
he makes me feel all weird
his new album is the easiest to listen to i think and perhap his best,
certainly his best musically, and most accessible lyrically
them lambchop folks be amazing
did anyone see them on Conan? very very cool but made me mad because i
couldn't go see them play in NYC grrrrrr...
as for girl songwriters there are very few worth mentioning in my
opinion
Edith Frost, Lisa Germano, Carla Bozulich (Geraldine Fibbers), Victoria
Williams, Cheri Knight (esp her stuff with Blood Oranges), Sally Norvell
(Congo Norvell), chicks from Spinanes, Paula Frazer (Tarnation), Exene
Cervenka (X), Lynne Kellman (AKA Another Girl), i know im missing plenty
of them but those ar ethe ones that i own stuff by that came to mind,
ill leave mazzy star, liz phair, and all the others to someone
else....oh wait
i have to go concentrate on pocket dragons now
------Ev
-------------------------------------------------------

I was happy when I put my new record on
But I was sad as I listened to it all alone
---"Feeling Fine" by Class

my home page:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/dixiecluck

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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 25 14:33:00 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:33:00 -0000
Subject: Sinister: promises, promises....
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Hi,
     I know I swore to keep off the list while I was writing some 
V.important essays but you know how playing outside always 
looks more fun when you're stuck indoors doing yr homework. So I 
stepped outside and overheard a certain Ms fluff ranting:

> You....are strange. Not in a good way. I mean it! Tigermilk may be a loverly
> life changing album and extremely groovey but, um, shoving it up your jacksie
> is A BAD THING!!! It is against natural moral law I'll have you know. God
> will punish you for this ...

I think this is probably a new category of smut to add to the 
already copious list... why don't we all compile lists of records we'd 
like to have sex with. I'll start with my bobby gentry & glen 
campbell album.

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch;

> Weejay is also WRONG about Nick Drake cos Bryter Layter is the best album.

Hey, hey, hey - Did I say otherwise? Of course Bryter Layter is the 
best album. But the others are nice aswell. 

> And Gay dad are CRAP! Fucking hell!

Hmmn, that's going a little too far. I quite like the sugar rush but I'm 
making sure I don't listen too closely to the lyrics. As for 3 colours 
red, I haven't even heard the single but I suspect I'll hate it too. I 
was explaining the difference between Fierce Panda and nice 
indies like Guided Missile, Vesuvius and (natch) Jeepster to some 
friends and when it comes down to it, FP gave a break to 3CR 
while those labels above spent their time with some incredible, 
important bands.
     Not that I'm a music snob, oh no. And the last days of disco is 
all style and no substance too. I'm not sure about the league of 
gentlemen - V.funny on radio but I'm not sure if it translated to the 
screen very well.
	One question before I go... Has everyone else recieved an 
e-mail from a year in the future by Mr Declan McGurk? Can Declan 
tell us about what happened with the millenium bug and all that? 
And how's the situation in the middle east? Who won the grand 
national? Are B&S megastars?

	You would be amazed at how many people stare at you in 
the street when you put on a little pink badge with 'strumpet' written 
on it,
			james xxxxxxxxxxxxx


"Across the mountains of your chest, throuth the holes in your string vest"
Inane rambling, manic rants, funky piccies, pointless
tables, self indulgence, emetic colouring... All are @
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Mon Jan 25 15:08:08 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:08:08 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Paul's Special Day ! (NBSC)
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According to the Catholic calendar, today is Saint Paul's Day! If your
name is Paul, you get a free sin! I suggest gluttony, to avoid any
trouble with PC Plod in the Botanic Garden bogs. Off to the cake shop,
Linda!

Have a great day, Big Tackle!

love from,

the entire Sinister mailing list
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From rory_mackie at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 15:26:06 1999
From: rory_mackie at xxx.com (Rory Mackie)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:26:06 PST
Subject: Sinister: Hotmail SUCKS!
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 'afternoon,

 Just wanted to say 'hello tiger' to all the lovely new (to me) 
sinisterites (sinisterines? pish-heids?) I met at the Halfner gig at wee 
Stevie Trousers front room in Covent Garden, especialy Alix (with an I) 
who is as deadpan in the flesh as she is in her posts, sometimes even 
acheiving 'the full Buster Keaton' which is no mean feat. She also 
accused me of sounding as though i should have a beard, which is the 
secondmost surreal thing anyones accused me of all week after the person 
at work  whoasked me how my jewellery stall in Exmouth market was coming 
along (eh?) Hope you got back to Isling OK Alix. Thanks also to Kevin 
being so friendly and affable when meeting me and somehow restraining 
yourself from smashing a lamp over my head after I'd buggered up the 
tape tree so spectacularly. Apprieciated.
 Hefner themselves were lilting and gorgeous, although my lovely Linda 
did try to chat up the lap-steel player 'cos she dug his crazxy pickin' 
action. Grrrrrr.

 Other things..

 Why is Isobel's solo album named after a feminine hygiene product?

 And why is hotmail so bloody shit? I had a speedier connection when I 
surfed the web with my ZX spectrum, a mirror and some string. GRRRR.

 Lady Penolope. Don't go! We'll miss you dreadfully and who's gonna find 
me somewhere to stay in NYC by making up flattering lies about me next 
time? I think we should all mail Lady P privately to demand her 
remaining here, let's not make the same mistake that Lou Carpenters 
friends in 'Neighbours' did. I think we all know how *that* turned out.

 Grrrrr.

 StayLuckyRoryxxx (Wearing the first of his virtual shiny silk boxers 
from M&S, only 364 to go!)


 Tigermilk out in may? Coooool! Can you make it May 4? 'cos thats my 
birthday!


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From polanski at xxx.nl  Mon Jan 25 15:52:52 1999
From: polanski at xxx.nl (polanski)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:52:52 +0100
Subject: Sinister: vic chesnutt, etc.
Message-ID: <36AC9354.7EE3021B@tobin.demon.nl>


to james/molly?!!

speaking of old vic chesnutt...  for a somewhat strange interview i did
with him in 1997 check out my site at http://come.to/polanski.

the interview's not much content, but rewarding nonetheless...

oh - and for those living in holland, belgium, or germany - a few of you
had threatened to get in touch.  but where the blimey are you now?!!
come on, inundate me with your mails...

alex


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From dec at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 25 15:48:06 1999
From: dec at xxx.uk (Declan McGurk)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:48:06 -0000
Subject: Sinister: URL for PBEM
Message-ID: <000301be487d$881d8360$320a883e@oemcomputer>

here's the URL that you might not have got for the celebrity play by e-mail with Stuart Murdoch!! > members.tripod.co.uk/decmcgurk/index.html

thanks a lot weejay for letting me know.

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From A.L.Corby-98 at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 25 17:24:25 1999
From: A.L.Corby-98 at xxx.uk (AL Corby)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:24:25
Subject: Sinister: I'm a notherner and I've lost my keys
Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990125172425.12f799ce@student-mailin.lboro.ac.uk>


Firstly I lost my keys on friday and I've run out of places to look any
suggestions? 

And although I currently reside in loughborough I am from Rochdale.  I tell
people I'm from Manchester though, partly cos Rochdale is so shit, partly
cos Manchester is cool and mostly cos when I say rochdale they say 'where'.
 Then people say you don't sound like your from Manchester so I say 'eh eh
our kid's mad for it' and they believe me.  Although someone asked me if I
was from Manchester last week, but then today someone asked me if i was
from Ireland.  Loughborough uni is full of sporty southerners who think
that Loughborough is up north.  I hate sporty people (this is not strictly
true one of my best friends is an athelete and she's nice) and I hate
purple tracksuits.

So there you go.(This is apparently one of my things)

BYE BYE

Andrea
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From macarthur at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 17:28:36 1999
From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:28:36 -0000
Subject: Sinister: keeping up apperances
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Errica - I assume that
> was you drinking the coca-cola.  What a well brought up and well behaved
> girl you must be.  I know if that had been me and a friend at sixteen we
> would probably have been trying to drink beer and smoke like the big
kids,
> and would have ended up looking like a couple of pissed-up and green
faced
> idiots.

michel, appearances can be decieving! who were you? I was the ones drinking
coke, because like you say, I have a choice, try to drink beer and look
silly and out of place, drink coke, as I would actually must prefer, and
just feel in the right frame of mind to experience the gig. It's nice to
know i was noticed even if i did not utter a word to anyone except trousers
and koogy, who caught me on the stairs. If anyone else was wondering
(humour me) I was the youngest person there with the shortish goldy hair
tucked behind her ears and a sheepish smile on her face, with her smaller
friend hannah, with long blonde hair. I'm sure all who attended were
lovely, but I was intimidated. i'm just not ready to play with the big kids
yet, my mummy said so.

Hefner are stunning and all who disagree must be missing something! I can't
understand how a person could not be moved by Darren Hayman, with all his
emotion and grit. it's wonderful! the gig on friday was brillaintly
intimate, like sitting in your front room, give or take wanting to stick a
fork in the girl sitting in front of me laughing.

I wondered home after school, looking at my feet, wondering if I should
make more of an effort with my school friends, even if they aren't quite
the same as me. They just can't understand why everything seems so
complicated, why i can't be content doing school work and fancying the boys
 like them. If you had seen the boys in my year, I don't think you'd shout
"stud!" ethier. My hormones go the smith's loving diary writing way, and
theirs in the boy crushing beat-popping way. Thank goodness for pop music,
where would i be without you, my bright hope?

anyway, all sing praises for hefner in all their greatness
and to the postal service (while you're at it could you ask them to hurry
with my looper badges and Ink movies in new york book?!)

Erica





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From mireiamenchon at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 17:44:17 1999
From: mireiamenchon at xxx.com (Mireia Menchon)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:44:17 PST
Subject: Sinister: It can't be true!!!!
Message-ID: <19990125174543.7188.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hi!

I was just reading today's mails ( so as to keep me busy enough and not 
study ) and it has started ok but then... my heart has shivered.
Somebody ( Fluffy Carandel, maybe, I don't remember ) mentioned that 
Leonard Cohen is dead!!!!!! Is he???? There comes a point when all 
famous people start dying and then you don't know who is really dead and 
who is not. It happened when James Stewart died, some time later I 
couldn't recall if it had been true or not. 
So, is he? I don't think so. Just yesterday I was listening to an old 
record of him, and now he's supposed to be dead...

Well, that wasn't what I meant to say at all... I wanted to post some 
thoughts about telling or not telling your friends that today is your 
birthday ( I mean mine ): should they remember themselves or should I 
remind them???
Big philosophical dilemma... Waiting upset and even angry or telling 
them like it was no big deal?

I don't know. Luckily this only lasts one day.Happy no-birthay to 
you!!!!And happy "being-forgotten-day" to me!!!!

The good part is that I've given myself 2 nice CDs as presents: I can't 
wait to get home and listen to the new Mojave3 one and St.Ettienne, 
let's be happy!!!!!


Goooooooodbye!!

Mireia

A girl from a lonely street, cold as icecream but still as sweet.


ps: To the ones that mentioned Jeff Buckley: he's great...and this one I 
can remember is dead, but L.Cohen...



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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 25 17:48:03 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:48:03 -0000
Subject: Sinister: NHS Specs
Message-ID: <116DF9642B30D1119D530000F800DC3702333680@exchs3.lse.ac.uk>


Wearing NHS specs in the Eighties for me got cat-calls and "speccy-four
eyes" jokes, possibly because I was only three in 1982 when I got them. That
is the reason, however, that anyone hoping to woo me either has to look like
Neil Pearson, Jarvis Cocker and Peter Mandelson rolled into one, or simply
has to wear big specs and have (consequently) big eyes. It's this that led
me onto fancying... no, that's too painful. That's too, too painful a memory
to drag up.

Louise, l.stanley at lse.ac.uk
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From kenny at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 25 17:56:55 1999
From: kenny at xxx.uk (jake)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:56:55 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Remember me?
Message-ID: <199901251757.RAA01680@mailhost.dircon.co.uk>


Hello all of you,

It's me, I'm back again, having been severly beaten by dearest Duke in a
playground fight I went running home and eventually I feel brave enough to
enter the playground again. 

Not that I've been ignoring you though, I've been standing at the gates
looking through via the archives every now and then. And it was a mail from
my favorite list mummy that made me return. Well forced me to return,
actually, seeing as none of you would have been able to read my comments of
immense wisdom (hahaha, some chance) unless I resubbed.

I'm already feeling at home again here, with the first mail I recieved
listing the top 12 albums of 98, nothings changed then. A few new faces but
otherwise were all the same old bunch. I love you all.

I am very sad to have missed out on all the undies chat though:(

Great news about tigermilk, and even better news about the 3 new albums
from B&S and its members. I can already hear the shouts of "how can the
release ofthe gentle waves album be better news than tigermilk being
rereleased?" Well here is the explanation.....

If StuD and Isobel managed to release all their creative juices ivia their
side projects then they aren't going to feel the need to shove their stuff
on a new B&S album and thus we get a proper good old StuM album (ok and a
little from stevie but we can't complain). I'd just like to make the point
that I don't think the other 2 are bad (in fact what I've heard from both
of the is pretty good, Columbo's car by looper is damn fine) but I love the
way that tigermilk and sinister flow in a way that TBWTAS doesn't just
because the first 2 albums are just StuM.

Thanks for listening to me, 
and welcoming me back with such open arms

jake 
(the listee formerly know as kenny)
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From HIS8JM at xxx.UK  Mon Jan 25 16:08:42 1999
From: HIS8JM at xxx.UK (J. MURTAGH)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:08:42 GMT
Subject: Sinister: "My mom goes out, she's out of control" J Springer
Message-ID: <A27D317C87@arts-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>


Sorry, this is gonna sound really crap right but I'm gonna say it coz 
I know that alot of people out there agree with me. This list 
in my opinion and others is getting painful to be apart of  
particularly the mega long messages that 
really do seem to say nothing except that the authors are in 
fact in 

love with their own zaniness and personality. Now I've jumped but I'd 
prefer to get the old digest consisting of interesting and not 
superfluous descriptions of our lives as fans of the band. This 
sounds really dictatorial and judgmental but I'm only saying this 
because I'm starting to dread getting these digest mails because they 
consist of nothingness, and I don't want to leave because I'm a fan 
and I want to be with you lot: the fans, and not bored people

Oh bollocks, I've said enough already, I'll prepare for the missiles 
now.

I shouted I love Belle and Sebastian on top of the castle overlooking 
Scarborough, Anne Bronte heard me too.
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From Scott_Turner at xxx.COM  Mon Jan 25 18:51:58 1999
From: Scott_Turner at xxx.COM (Scott Turner)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:51:58 -0500
Subject: Sinister: "My mom goes out, she's out of control" J Springer
Message-ID: <85256704.0066B45D.00@JHMAIL.JH.COM>


I have to agree, it seems like over half the posts i've been getting could
all be titled "Dear Diary, today I...." or "Dear Shrink, today I....".

Is this what the list is for? i don't know. 'just throwing out an
observation to think about.

.scott


On 25 January at 16:08 GMT, "J. MURTAGH" <HIS8JM wrote:

Sorry, this is gonna sound really crap right but I'm gonna say it coz
I know that alot of people out there agree with me. This list
in my opinion and others is getting painful to be apart of
particularly the mega long messages that
really do seem to say nothing except that the authors are in
fact in

love with their own zaniness and personality. Now I've jumped but I'd
prefer to get the old digest consisting of interesting and not
superfluous descriptions of our lives as fans of the band. This
sounds really dictatorial and judgmental but I'm only saying this
because I'm starting to dread getting these digest mails because they
consist of nothingness, and I don't want to leave because I'm a fan
and I want to be with you lot: the fans, and not bored people



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From gary.parkinson at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 25 19:43:14 1999
From: gary.parkinson at xxx.uk (Gary Parkinson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:43:14 GMT
Subject: Sinister: burglars, barfdays,birds
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19981231212920.2ebf18aa@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>


Urk

Did someone mention Duncan Sheik? I think so. Someone gave me that there
album of his and I was made slightly nauseous by it. 'Honestly,' I thought
to myself, 'if you want to be Nick Drake that badly, why not just take an
('accidental') overdose and do us all a favour?' Luckily, I was burglarised
just before Christmas and the fools nicked it (and left my Carpenters
records, yay!).

Mireia - does this 

<<I wanted to post some thoughts about telling or not telling your friends
that today is your birthday ( I mean mine ): should they remember themselves
or should I remind them??? Big philosophical dilemma... Waiting upset and
even angry or telling  them like it was no big deal?>> 

mean it's your birthday today (25th)? Me too. Never mind getting ignored, I
was interrogated by some plain clothes policemen because they thought I
might be a mugger (or worse). And I was only wandering around the fabulous
rotting necropolis of Southern Cemetery in a slightly sad Morrissey sort of
a way, eating a veggie pasty maybe a bit too suspiciously. Anyway, lots of
great people were born today, so give cheer and raise a glass of Umbongo to
(besides our selves of course) Virginia Wolf, W. Somerset Maugham, Robert
Burns, oh, and Maria Von Trapp. Hurrah. Where would we all be without the
sound of music? Just think of that for a while.

And teri/the Trainspotter - <<are we gary from uk-indie?>> er.. eh? I dunno.
I don't think we are. Is that some sort of code? Stop scaring me.

And as for the birds with words list (lady songwriters to write home about),
yes yes, Polly Jean, of course, but what about the
lovely-but-quite-creepy-in-the
-way-she's-a-thirty-odd-year-old-woman-but-still-wearing-braces (of the
teeth kind) and-bobby-socks, Nanci Griffith? 'Love at the Five & Dime' and
'There's a Light...' could make your ears smile. And, and, and, what about
the bloody Roches? Three New Jersey sisters that harmonise like they're from
Jupiter and sing songs about their Mum. They are very glory in ill-advised
trousers itself. Er.

I'mgoingnowbye.

Gazzoid.

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From ar981611 at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 25 20:05:50 1999
From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:05:50 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Some bemused ramblings on a B&S thene (sort of)
Message-ID: <36ACCE9E.F48174EE@student.paisley.ac.uk>


Hello kids

firstly can I say to those who are interested (you know who you are) my
exams are going OK.

I'm glad to say that I am glad to say that I am glad to see the genius
of Shane McGowan being recognised - Ally Cook knows what I think of
Shane fans, as that's how I met him - anyone who loves the lyricism of
Shane fans is OK by me.  The greatest regret of last week is that my
exams prevented me from seeing the man himself live in Glasgow, but if
anyone could tell me how good he was/what Pogues songs he played - thank
you!!!  For beginners, try Red Roses for Me, that's still my favourite.

And is there a Glasgow meet-up before the Evie Sands thing?  'Cause I
feel bad about the Hogmanay thing and my lack of money/transport, and I
want to meet you all!!!  

i love you all (and that's not the Guinness talking, even though I've
had a few).  Keep on entertaining me and brightening up my days.

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From mctag at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 20:28:01 1999
From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:28:01 GMT
Subject: Sinister: The sun always shines on Evie
Message-ID: <36add354.4900197@post.demon.co.uk>


Hello everyone,

Evie?  Evie Sands?  The Evie Sands?  The queen of sixties girl soul
singers?  I'm beside myself with joy.  I love Evie very much.  Belle
and Sebastian backing her is just a little bonus.  Where did they find
her?  How did they get her to come over?  Sheesh.

I'm not too fond of facts and figures and catalogue numbers, but I'll
do my best.  I do know that Evie worked largely with Chip Taylor
songs, releasing a couple of ace wall of soundesque pop/soul singles
on Blue Cat in the mid sixties - "I can't let go" and "Take me for a
little while" - "I can't let go" was a later hit for the Hollies and
later still the 'dang-dang-da-da-dang' riff was plagiarised by that
loser smackhead Sonic Boom.  There was some stuff on A&M - "But you
know I love you", so sad, so hopeful, her voice like honey being
poured down your back, "I'll hold out my hand" too, sounds like PP
Arnold, but better.  "Anyway that you want me" is a big string awesome
epic.  My favourite Evie moment is "Billy Sunshine", which is "big in
Wigan", as they say, a fantastic dancer, strident drums, big brassy
horns, and Evie just belting it out over the top.  If she does that I
WILL cry.

Love
Tag xx
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From evanbear at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 20:41:21 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:41:21 -0500
Subject: Sinister: oh so sheik/complaints
References: <1.5.4.16.19981231212920.2ebf18aa@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
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<<<<Did someone mention Duncan Sheik? I think so. Someone gave me that
there
album of his and I was made slightly nauseous by it. 'Honestly,' I
thought
to myself, 'if you want to be Nick Drake that badly, why not just take
an
('accidental') overdose and do us all a favour?' Luckily, I was
burglarised
just before Christmas and the fools nicked it (and left my Carpenters
records, yay!).<<<<

i agree completely (i mentioned him in a negative voice)
i can't stand processed vocals especially when he acts like he has the
most amazing range of any boy since Nicky Drake
he is a pretentious little boy as well, he was on sessions at west 54th
street a few weeks ago (closest thing to Peel we dumb americans have) so
David Byrne (the host) was interviewing him and it was one of the most
annoying things ive seen in awhile
his live set wasnt too bad only because he couldnt do too much to offend
me besides slightly cheesy piano playing and stupid facial expression to
show how deep he was digging into himself for those heart wrenching
cliches i mean lyrics
yah thats enough about him, hopefully hell disappear eventually

as for people complaining about the list, all i have to say is why must
this bull doodie start again? the list was so nice when those who didnt
really care were on vacation and even since then people haven't been
complaining or battling each other
no matter what you think of the list, THE most annoying thing is when
people start this debate, i will say no more on that

i should say something positive...
I've been listening to Hefner all day, and most of yesterday, and the
day before, and the day before that (when i got it)thats definitely good
news
reminds me of so many of my favorite artists
most notably Lullaby For The working Class (mostly the choruses with the
perty harmonies and passionate vocals, and very especially The
Librarian), and Silver Jews, general goofy feel to it, but you guys
already know all that shtuff i imagine
----Ev
np-Hefner (who'd a thunk it)

-- -----------------------------------------------------

I was happy when I put my new record on
But I was sad as I listened to it all alone
---"Feeling Fine" by Class

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From promqueen at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 20:57:25 1999
From: promqueen at xxx.com (promqueen at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 99 20:57:25 +0000
Subject: Sinister: twenty thousand men couldn't build a monument...
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hi dalinks.

on the subject of vic chesnutt, Has anyone ever heard the New Bad Things song off the Hefner EP (that is, Hefner covering the NBT) called "Goethe's Letter to Vic Chesnutt" it sooooo worth investing in this EP (Love Will Destroy us in the End) if you have any interest in Hefner.  just plain bee-yew-tee-fawl!

The Song on Vic Chesnutt is very morrissey-esque, if you are into that sort of thing (which, shamelessly, i am)  here's a great line...

"let me put it to you this way, you will get hit by a truck you will fall from your bicycle... and no one will recall how you were except your friends and your enemies... and all the stuff that you could have written, and all the notes that you kept hidden, will mean about as much... as your corpse." 

hee hee... if that is not discustingly reminicent of:

"and if a double decker bus, crashes into us... to die by your side such a heavenly way to die..."

and: 

"all those people all those lives, where are they now?  with loves, and hates and passions just like mind... they were born and then they lived and then they died... seems so unfair, i want to cry"

the words could have been written by the same tortured hand, as i see it.  that is, the hand not dramatically stapled on to the forhead... of course.

does any one know anything else from The New Bad Things?  "They are from Portland, Oregon and do indeed ride bicycles and drink coffee" is all i've got on 'em.

bonus note:  Hefner's "God is on Our Side" gets my vote for "album most lusted after," if the idea of having sex with an album isn't too revolting.  hee hee.  unfortunately i let a distant friend borow it and am afraid to never see it again!  "oh Hefner... I thought you said you loved me!!!"  tee hee.

also, does any one think "love will destroy us in the end" is a cheap joy division rip off?  a damn good one none the less.  But then again, "love will tear us apart" could be a captian and tenille rip of, huh?

love will keep us together...
lisa





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From cockbiter at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 21:31:13 1999
From: cockbiter at xxx.com (brad .)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:31:13 EST
Subject: Sinister: love inside the stud farm
Message-ID: <19990125213113.22050.qmail@hotmail.com>


there is a brand new hefner mailing list.

write me personally (for now) to join.

-brad

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From bp224996 at xxx.edu  Mon Jan 25 21:40:34 1999
From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:40:34 -0500
Subject: Sinister: WARNING: This post contains absolutely *NO* pubic hair discussion
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Hello there,
	Well, I've just spent roughly an hour reading precisely 75 posts, and I
would have been entirely let down if it hadn't been for Genevieve's
post. When you think about it, though, that's pretty good, I mean it's
about 1.25 posts per minute! I really shouldn't take all the credit,
after all, I couldn't have done it without Keith's shape post and those
posts which quoted a big long message and added 3 lines of text. Thank
you everyone.
	Well, I had some content occur to me today. I was in my local mom 'n
pop record store, Haffa's (pronounced Haff-az, Hyeahf-az by Clevelanders
;) and immediately upon entering, the fellow who works there (for all
intents and purposes we'll call him Eric, because that's his name)
pointed out to me the new Belle & Sebastian CDs in the glass case. There
I beheld two sparkling copies each of Dog on Wheels and PAJAMAJAMMYJAM.
I felt kind of bad when I told him I had both, but I thanked him. Later,
as I was taking my purchases to the register, Eric was saying to the
other fellow there "I wanna listen to Belle & Sebastian, I haven't
listened to that since we got it, and we sell so many copies." Well, I
nearly asked him to write down the name, address & phone numbers of
anyone who bought the album, since I only know one of them, but I
decided against it.

	Earlier today I had my political science class, in which my professor
made special mention of the names of Scottish political parties.
Apparently there's a Let's-Go-up-the-Creek-and-Have-a-Party party, or
something like that. Several other funny ones, but I didn't jot them
down. We now return you to your regularly scheduled post:

	Lately I, much like Brad, have not been listening to much Belle and
Sebastian. However, I've not been listening to anything Brad appears to
be listening to lately (big surprise, that). I have been listening to a
lot by the Wake, who sound nothing like B&S, though quite a lot like the
Field Mice (in fact they toured together). I decided, whilst in my car,
that they sounded like "a smooth sea of synthesizers with sparse ripples
of jangly guitar overtop." I think I must be a closet record reviewer.
But also oddly I haven't really been listening to the usual anorak fare
these past few days. I'd best watch myself, or there could be a coup in
Sha-La-La. Whatever happens, I want to be on the side of the Left, so
the headline can be "Leftist P!O!O! Dictator Deposed - Militant
Religious Fanatics Take Over."
	I also have it on good stead that the Looper album is amazing, and very
"now" (those are not my words). This is coming from the man whose every
recommendation has been excellent, in fact if hadn't been for him (and 4
or 5 of my other friends) I probably wouldn't be on this list, and Eric
probably wouldn't be mentioning those EPs to me.
	Just now I'm listening to a song called Isobel, but it's spelt Isabel.
Nonetheless, I decided to postpone the paragraph I was just about to
write, and instead throw in this utterly pointless one. 
	What I was going to write...yes, anyhow, I almost didn't write that bit
about the Wake. I was thinking, you know, they have absolutely nothing
to do with B&S, why should I mention them? But then I thought "Barton,
you've had some content in your post already, and it's not as if your
post is a dissertation solely on Tom Waits, is it? And furthermore,
you're not writing about pants, "indie rock" glasses, cardigans,
bassieres, monkeys, monkies, Monkees, round ovally things, bathyspheres,
hemaglobin, Reece's Pieces, or pubic hair, so what have you got to
lose?"
	Often times I disagree with the voices in my head. I have not killed my
mum, for example. But this time, I can't kid myself, they were right. 
	My favorite sort of bathysphere is those kind with all the knobs and
levers on the inside, and three thick, glass portholes. Personally I
think the sort of people who have a bathysphere just to look cool,
rather than needing a strongly-built diving sphere used for deep sea
exploration and study, are idiots. Obviously they plop the thing in
their carport and over the summer tinker with it, but I very much doubt
they actually take it to sea. I suggest you all go to
<http://user.aol.com/chines6930/mw1/beebe7.htm> and have a look at
myself and my friend Beebe standing next to our Bathysphere sometime
around 1930. Did I mention that my Christian name is Barton? Barton
McMick, that's me...now where did I put my lucky hat...?
 
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From mark at xxx.uk  Mon Jan 25 22:49:24 1999
From: mark at xxx.uk (Mark Pattison)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:49:24 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Thursday night in NW10
Message-ID: <000101be48b5$3037db40$3a3c883e@mark>


Just to say that if anyone is in the Jeepster area on Thursday, I can highly
recommend the band 'As A King' who are playing in the Mean Fiddler on
Harlesden High St. I think B&S fans would like them.

And no, I don't have any connection with them!

M a r k

who used to be mdp21


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From TFertig3 at xxx.com  Mon Jan 25 23:04:29 1999
From: TFertig3 at xxx.com (TFertig3 at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:04:29 EST
Subject: Sinister: Burning centipedes
Message-ID: <80f1283e.36acf87d@aol.com>


Hello to all,

So Nick Drake does not sound like Tom Waits after all.  I suppose that was a
bit of stretch, and Nick Drake isn't so bad after listening to the album 500
times over.  But then, anything starts to sound slightly more than poo after
that many listens.  It's the way the human ear works.  Now then, I should have
known better than to talk pish about Nicky Drake in the domain of Sebastian.
Don't you just want to pat him on the head and tell him it'll be all right?  I
know I do.

Tigermilk for real.  That'll be weird, you know, a real copy without all the
fuzz in the background.  And I won't have to turn the volume on my stereo to
the very maximum in order to hear the songs.  I'll believe it when I see it.

My chemistry teacher (the one's shaped strangely like an eggplant) wears a bus
tie.  They are the same buses as on the Belle and Sebby shirts, I'm sure.  All
different color buses.  You see, I knew B&S liked chemistry.  Why else would
they sell their merchandise to chemistry teachers?

Has anyone tried making a Looper song?  I never got around to downloading
whatever needs to be downloaded, though I've been curious for a long time.
Could I become a pop star?

That's it for now,
Tami xxxx

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From kwl96 at xxx.edu  Tue Jan 26 00:02:51 1999
From: kwl96 at xxx.edu (azriel)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:02:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: URL for PBEM
In-Reply-To: <000301be487d$881d8360$320a883e@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.990125190205.19605D-100000@hamp.hampshire.edu>


On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Declan McGurk wrote:

> here's the URL that you might not have got for the celebrity play by e-mail with Stuart Murdoch!! > members.tripod.co.uk/decmcgurk/index.html
> 
> thanks a lot weejay for letting me know.
> 
> Dec
> 

uh, i couldn't get this to work.
says file not found.

-kerry

http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~kwl96

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From ian at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 02:30:51 1999
From: ian at xxx.com (Ian Connelly)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:30:51 -0800
Subject: Sinister: new bad things
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At 12:57 PM -0800 1/25/99, promqueen at anti-social.com wrote:
>on the subject of vic chesnutt, Has anyone ever heard the New Bad Things
>song off the Hefner EP (that is, Hefner covering the NBT) called "Goethe's
>Letter to Vic Chesnutt"...
>does any one know anything else from The New Bad Things?  "They are from
>>Portland, Oregon and do indeed ride bicycles and drink coffee" is all
>i've got >on 'em.

the new bad things are an incredible and under-appreciated band.
in my inimitably awful way i'll suggest that they sound sort of
like early sebadoh (folk-y, confessional, playful lyrics with an
acoustic guitar) playing with an enthusiastic jazz combo (sax, two drums,
some other wind/brass instruments); there are six people in the band,
many of whom have undertaken aliases or pseudonyms ("luke hollywood"),
and all of whom seem to write the songs.

it's really hard to get a sense of how great their songs are from just
posting the lyrics since they're so amelodic and oddly delivered;i'll do it
anyway, though, but rest assured they're humorous, acerbic, pensive (all
three in the lyrics promqueen quoted) and twee (one song goes: 'i went
downtown today/trying to find your bicycle/i left some flowers with a note
and my
number/going home now/hoping you'll call'). like a lot of bands, the new
bad things will not break through to you on the first listen unless you're
the most incredibly cool and thoughtful person in the world. (hinthint:
i'm sure some of you are...)

they've released a ton of records on a bunch of labels (candy ass, popsecret,
lissy's, red beans and rice) - but all of them have been, in my opinion,
poorly recorded. if they'd ever put out a good recording of the abovementioned
'goethe' song or maybe 'concrete,' they'd be loved and known the world over.

they rarely tour (i think because they're so broke, but who knows?),
but when i saw them in olympia in 1994. they were all wearing coveralls,
like devo or ub40 or something --- and made ample fun of themselves for
wearing such warm clothes in 90+ degree weather...but when i saw them
in the grocery store an hour later buying beer, they were still wearing
'em! oh, and they have this song called 'i suck' - and at the same show
when someone called out for it, one of the NBTs said 'i wouldn't brag
about that if i were you, pal...but i might talk to you after the show!'

totally great, and sort of an acquired taste  - i'd recommend trying to
find their LP _freewheel_ to start with....

back to lurking,
ian



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From lapis at xxx.edu  Tue Jan 26 02:41:58 1999
From: lapis at xxx.edu (dave cohen)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:41:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: re:new bad things, delgados, gall
Message-ID: <199901260241.VAA12332@pobox.upenn.edu>


	new bad things also have a split 7" with the delgados
	delgados do a france gall song (sacre charlemagne)
	new bad things do 'down caravan'

	both are pretty good songs.  the single is on Lissy's
	(po box 14477 London SW16 2WJ)


	--lap

	 
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Tue Jan 26 05:20:39 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:20:39 -0800
Subject: Sinister: mercifully brief post for all tired hepcats
Message-ID: <001701be48eb$9de38280$1711020a@rebelstrange>


fluffysarah, thee of the barbed tongue, you said i look like Po the
teletubby, where did that come from??
 just wondering
I haven't heard any of the Looper yet,  does he just talk on it?  i'd give
it a listen, i like spaceboy dream, i just dont' like century of elvis.  and
yes to the one who mentioned it, meet me on the schoolyard behind the bike
racks, cos i'm gonna turn you upside down and shake the lunch money out of
your pockets!!
haven't we got beyond randomly insulting members of some obscure scottish
band in an attempt to be snide? i'm one to speak about snideness, ha!  dont'
go there.  never mind, i already did.   I still predict isobel's gem will be
as minty fresh as a spring meadow, and the feminine hygiene product it's
named after.  and if anyone's to do something 'winningly' she'd be the one
on my list.  i had forgotten how much i love it when things are done
winningly, i also like things that are cunning and clever.  and i'm  sure
we'll be provided with all three of the above twee adjectives come march 22.
(ooh surprised you there didn't i!!)

i hope the value of the old tigermilk goes down to like 20 dollars and all
the people who were silly enough to waste money on it are left with no
opportunity to sell it for profit.  you couldn't wait a few months for a
proper one?  i dont' mean to be mean about it i just dont' get the concept
of buying something just cos it's rare.  collect Hummels or something.
music snobs are scum.  i'm not accusing ANYONE here of being a music snob,
but i've read them articles in collector magazines about what kind of
plastic sleeves to use for your 5000-collection of lp's, and my dad has a
ton of rekkids that are still sealed in plastic, i was going to play his
tracey ullman record cos it has my favorite song on it, "they don't know
about us" and it was sealed up, so i couldn't hear my favorite song even.
THAT is lame!  be careful young children, it could happen to you, any day
now.  don't let it.
it's horribly boring when people gripe about the list.  should go to your
next of command or take it to the high council or something.  but whateve
ryou do, dont' listen to me, in fact ignore all of my mails.  thank you.
oh yeah.  and Tom Waits.  he has the sort of voice i think i should despise,
but i always end up liking it.  i can't explain why, i just do.  "San
Francisco Serenade" is enough to  break anyone's heart twice over, although
the second side of that record i dont' like nearly as much, it's too beatnik
and upbeat.  he sounds beter when he's depressing.
muzzled by choice,
LJ
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From Mew817 at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 04:03:42 1999
From: Mew817 at xxx.com (Mew817 at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:03:42 EST
Subject: Sinister: Hefner and aging...
Message-ID: <3263504e.36ad3e9e@aol.com>


Hi everyone

It's been such a long time since I've posted...I've been doing too much
lurking.

So I just got Breaking God's Heart by Hefner and I love it!  I got to see them
at the Melting Vinyl Crawl in Brighton last spring and really enjoyed them,
but didn't get a chance to buy anything of theirs.  They are really great and
I recommend them to all, well, to most!  -Just a safeguard in case someone
buys their album and hates it.  ;)

I have sort of a general question for people around my age (23).  Is it just
me being crazy or is 23 going on 24 starting to sound old?  I'm so used to
feeling young (in my family, at school...) and it is so weird to realize that
I'm not really.  Also, I see all these people doing cool things (music,
acting, sports) who are so young and it just makes me feel old and that I've
wasted time!  Damn them!  ;)  
Maybe I'm just crazy but to top it all off, I found a gray hair on my head
tonight!!!  AAGGHH!!!  Sure it's a nice silvery-gray, but gray is gray!  
I know I will always be young at heart, but technically, I'm getting old!
Please tell me there are others that feel like this!

OK, enough from me.

Take care
mew x
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From Pulpbot at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 04:19:13 1999
From: Pulpbot at xxx.com (Pulpbot at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:19:13 EST
Subject: Sinister: the miracle of St. Vic
Message-ID: <67220ef2.36ad4241@aol.com>


Noting the Vic Chesnutt discussion of late, I cringe and recall my dumb ass
faux pas with the FDR of Georgia rock. At a Bob Mould show a few years back,
Vic was opening and I was crammed up front waiting for his Bobness, the god of
sweet, sweaty melody. Well, I couldn't help but notice that Vic was tapping
his foot as he warbled. Odd, I thought, because he is a paraplegic, no? Cruel
instinct or a cruel hoax? I leaned over to shout my question in my friend's
ear. I meant to discreetly say something like, why is his leg moving? Alas,
the music cut out at a humorously improper moment, and so I was caught
screaming "His leg is moving!" into the stunned and silent air. Yes, I was
rewarded with an acute glare from Vic as I hung my head in shame.  
Someone else noted the greatness of the Silver Jews record. Uh huh. Dry as
dust off the parched skeleton of Patsy Cline, a fellow Virginian. Then why
does it fill me up everytime? Just as lyrically dense as B&S, but the soft
drawl of y'all gets lost amid the phlemmy purr of the scottish burr, eh?
I got the "Some Kind of Wonderful" soundtrack yesterday for two bucks. Version
of J & M Chain's brilliant "The Hardest Walk" except it's the Johnny Hates
Jazz remix, so big suxx to them. I'm sure some listee at somepoint has recast
the Hughes ouevre with Belle and Seb. Isobel wakes up flat-chested and on the
wrong side of the moors, with the awful lads from the Arab Strap trying to
trick her into dating them. And Stuart is the Amanda Jones character:
untouchable and dreamy. Except he wears a fedora.
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From C.Timmins at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 26 09:19:11 1999
From: C.Timmins at xxx.uk (Claire M Timmins)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:19:11 GMT
Subject: Sinister: whoah hold on there
Message-ID: <2828BEB2781@arts.gla.ac.uk>



Dear diary,

Glad to see everyone is enjoying them so much on the list these days. 
It's probably the january feeling, and the anticipation of payday.

Anyway can't stay long but can anyone tell me where to find an arab 
strap/mogwai collaboration. I have a track which for the chorus 
goes..'Will you still miss me, when I'm gone, is there a love 
there..., will you still kiss me when you find out...' blah blah.
cheers my happy friends,
Claire
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From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 26 10:01:57 1999
From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:01:57 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Anything's better then posh isolation
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From rehakk at xxx.edu  Tue Jan 26 07:19:25 1999
From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 02:19:25 -0500
Subject: Sinister: plea to all you lads and lassies!
Message-ID: <005401be48fc$34306d60$9e84c38d@rehakk.alleg.edu>

oi!  i just finished re-organizing my wee tape collection and found this mix that someone made me that has two lovely legendary jim ruiz group songs on it: "urban gentleman" and "glad they're gone".  i can never seem to find any complete album when i happen to search for it (though i do usually tend to suffer from whatever infection causes you to forget what you want to find as soon as you pass the threshold of the record store).  i remember a few mentioning him a bit ago so i am just composing a plea to see if anyone would possibly make me a copy <please, please?>...i'd write more but i'm afraid you would all think me uninteresting (this inferiority complex of mine!)...and i should start to get some german vocabulary learned...

byebye
kisskiss
KIMberly

"you don't understand my relationship with potatoes"--said by my little pal matt "meatface" meehan
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From keith at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 26 11:19:29 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:19:29 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Rodddcam forever!
Message-ID: <000101be491d$bdba3950$4e0129c2@sun.QSS>


I wish these people who complain about people who say the list is shit would
just give it a rest. It evidently is going through a bloody rough patch or
loads ov people wouldn't have left, and people wouldn't be talking about it.
Since when was it anyone's buziness to tell other people what they should
think anyway.

	We all watched Rodddddcam last night and caught a startling insight into
Roddderz - he uses the komputer! And he looks quite sad whilst doing it.
Also, he, like hiz daddy told him, turns the light out after leaving the
room, what a quality eko-warrior, like Swampy.

	Ailsa is right, we should all be meeting up before going along to the Evie
Sands do. Dunno what time the do iz on at? Perhaps we could meet up for a
swifty at the Rock, or that other pub, can't remember its name - a load of
cobblers or something. Someone else suggest a more concrete plan than my
tossy attempt at one.
	Also, I quite fancy going to the Looper gig in Edinburgh, anyone else fancy
that, I dunno what time it's on at, perhaps we could meet for a sly one in
the Maltshovel, or the Scotsman Lounge or something beforehand. Anyone who
fancies going, please let me know.

	Clare, I've no idea of an Arab Strap/Mogwai collaboration I'm afraid,
however, Mogwai did remix David Holmes' excellent "Don't die just yet", as
did Arab strap, but I don't think it's the record you're talking about.


Joke...

> A man walks into the butcher's shop and orders a pound of sausages.
> The butcher turns to the man and says: "I bet you the price of those
> sausages that you can't get those pieces of meat down off the shelf
> behind me!"
>
> The man looks up at the shelf and says: "I'm not betting, the steaks
> are too high".


Cheers,
  Keith.


In my CD Player : Boardz ov Kanada











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From C.Timmins at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 26 11:43:02 1999
From: C.Timmins at xxx.uk (Claire M Timmins)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:43:02 GMT
Subject: Sinister: fun n games
Message-ID: <284F18A43CB@arts.gla.ac.uk>


 yeah meet up. When exactly is the Evie sands thang. We could meet in 
Cottiers rather than The Rock, my preference. Actually don't know if 
I could bring myself round to meet people from the list it might 
destroy all the little images that feature in my daydreams.Unless in 
reallife you are all more gorgeous than I pretend you are.

Keith, it's ok. Andrew 'master of knowledge'Dean heled me out there. 
I actually have the record it is on but haven't listened to it yet as 
I can't afford a stylus.*sigh*.

Joke... (may only get this if you're from Edinburgh, so i'm really 
sorry for excluding the rest of the world. It wasn't intentional I'm 
just not very good at remembering jokes)

Two slabs of black tar are in a pub. They start chatting, as you do, 
feeling that they had things in common. They are getting on famously 
when one of them spies a slab of red tar. Shit man, I'm outta here. 
Why? asked the other. No time to explain, said the other and hid. 
When the red slab had gone the black slab came back again. Why did 
you hide? asked the other slab. Don't you know, said the slab, he's a 
cyclepath. 

Shit i think its one of these jokes that you can't just write down, 
so therefore you have to say it out loud to yourself. 

cherry oh,
Claire


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Leverhulme Research Assistant,
Department of English Language,
12 University Gardens,
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From grthom at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 26 13:22:48 1999
From: grthom at xxx.uk (G R Thomas)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:22:48 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: Sinister: whoah hold on there
In-Reply-To: <2828BEB2781@arts.gla.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <SIMEON.9901261348.B@s1732.essex.ac.uk>


I think you might be talking about 'R U Still In 2 It'. This track, by 
Mogwai featuring Aidan Moffat from Arab Strap is featured on 
Mogwai's debut LP-proper 'Mogwai Young Team'. The LP is available on 
Chemikal Underground Records, catalogue number Chem018CD (on CD format, 
obv.)I think it is track 8, but I might be worng.


Hope this helps,


Love,

GIDEONxxx 




On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:19:11 GMT Claire M Timmins 
<C.Timmins at englang.arts.gla.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear diary,
> 
> Glad to see everyone is enjoying them so much on the list these days. 
> It's probably the january feeling, and the anticipation of payday.
> 
> Anyway can't stay long but can anyone tell me where to find an arab 
> strap/mogwai collaboration. I have a track which for the chorus 
> goes..'Will you still miss me, when I'm gone, is there a love 
> there..., will you still kiss me when you find out...' blah blah.
> cheers my happy friends,
> Claire
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From rory_mackie at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 13:49:35 1999
From: rory_mackie at xxx.com (Rory Mackie)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 05:49:35 PST
Subject: Sinister: Mogwai fear Santa
Message-ID: <19990126134936.6221.qmail@hotmail.com>


 The Mogwai/Arab Strap track previously referred to is 'R U still in 2 
it?' Off of the excellent 'Mogwai Young Team' debut LP. It's quite good 
for listening to whilst falling asleep, although the third track gets 
very, very loud very suddenly and makes you wake up swinging at the air 
with your fists and murmuring 'Fight yer'

 Personally one of the reasons I enjoy this list so much are the 'dear 
diary' posts. I like the idea that people all over the world are sharing 
little unconsequential, funny things that happened to them to complete 
strangers. As much as I love Belle & Sebastian I don't think I could 
handle a whole digest deicated to StuM's cheekbones or chord 
progressions or something. This list is fun because it's more than just 
a geeky fanboy zitfest so keep those long rambling posts about pants 
coming, I love 'em.

 The Vic Chesnutt leg story made me laugh.

 StayLuckyRoryxxx 

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From radioheadsuck at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 14:03:32 1999
From: radioheadsuck at xxx.com (Seamus Harte)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:03:32 GMT
Subject: Sinister: what not to beused in casual conversation
Message-ID: <19990126140346.28224.qmail@hotmail.com>



hi everyone out there who have contributed to my entertainment since I 
havejoined.

i am having serious difficultly in reading anything up to half of the 
mails,
and believe me i do have alot of time on my hands

 I caught about 15seconds ofb&s's century of fakers's video in telly 
last week.
It was on popon3 (on irish telly) as that bloke with the weird hair said 
a bit about b&s being nominated for the brits. 

snowpatrol also made an appearance with the video of their new single , 
but thats to be expected since they are irish.

A weird thing happened to me on thursday,
i was helping one of my friends out with her project( this is a computer 
programming project btw) ,
and when we were finished , she was all happy and said something like 
thanks, that's great and then 'I love you' but i was more of a i luv ya,  
and was like stunned inside andnearly said  no you dont becauseshe 
didn't 
 whataweird thing to say 

i just carried on like i neverheard it

 what do you do when a girl you fancy says i love you but not in the way 
you want her to love you ?

sorry im really confused.

anyway later that day i was making my way home and i poped in to virgin 
just to look about and saw 369 in front of me i hadgiven up of finding 
it agesago and was about to order it 

does anyone else on here have this weird connection thing i have with 
records and computer games i listen to certain games remind me of songs 
because thats what i was listening to at the time the new zelda game 
goes great with deserters songs by mercury rev.
iyfs goes with starfox.  probably why i like fox in the snow so much

does anyone else on this list ever listen to ian collins on talk.

sorry this a bit disjointed ,
 see im in a hurry any the space bar is half broken.

bye , 
        seamus (known as seamy (pronounced  as shame-ie))

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From radioheadsuck at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 14:04:48 1999
From: radioheadsuck at xxx.com (Seamus Harte)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:04:48 GMT
Subject: Sinister: what not to beused in casual conversation
Message-ID: <19990126140453.654.qmail@hotmail.com>



hi everyone out there who have contributed to my entertainment since I 
havejoined.

i am having serious difficultly in reading anything up to half of the 
mails,
and believe me i do have alot of time on my hands

 I caught about 15seconds ofb&s's century of fakers's video in telly 
last week.
It was on popon3 (on irish telly) as that bloke with the weird hair said 
a bit about b&s being nominated for the brits. 

snowpatrol also made an appearance with the video of their new single , 
but thats to be expected since they are irish.

A weird thing happened to me on thursday,
i was helping one of my friends out with her project( this is a computer 
programming project btw) ,
and when we were finished , she was all happy and said something like 
thanks, that's great and then 'I love you' but i was more of a i luv ya,  
and was like stunned inside andnearly said  no you dont becauseshe 
didn't 
 whataweird thing to say 

i just carried on like i neverheard it

 what do you do when a girl you fancy says i love you but not in the way 
you want her to love you ?

sorry im really confused.

anyway later that day i was making my way home and i poped in to virgin 
just to look about and saw 369 in front of me i hadgiven up of finding 
it agesago and was about to order it 

does anyone else on here have this weird connection thing i have with 
records and computer games i listen to certain games remind me of songs 
because thats what i was listening to at the time the new zelda game 
goes great with deserters songs by mercury rev.
iyfs goes with starfox.  probably why i like fox in the snow so much

does anyone else on this list ever listen to ian collins on talk.

sorry this a bit disjointed ,
 see im in a hurry any the space bar is half broken.

bye , 
        seamus (known as seamy (pronounced  as shame-ie))

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From radioheadsuck at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 14:05:16 1999
From: radioheadsuck at xxx.com (Seamus Harte)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:05:16 GMT
Subject: Sinister: what not to beused in casual conversation
Message-ID: <19990126140517.22986.qmail@hotmail.com>



hi everyone out there who have contributed to my entertainment since I 
havejoined.

i am having serious difficultly in reading anything up to half of the 
mails,
and believe me i do have alot of time on my hands

 I caught about 15seconds ofb&s's century of fakers's video in telly 
last week.
It was on popon3 (on irish telly) as that bloke with the weird hair said 
a bit about b&s being nominated for the brits. 

snowpatrol also made an appearance with the video of their new single , 
but thats to be expected since they are irish.

A weird thing happened to me on thursday,
i was helping one of my friends out with her project( this is a computer 
programming project btw) ,
and when we were finished , she was all happy and said something like 
thanks, that's great and then 'I love you' but i was more of a i luv ya,  
and was like stunned inside andnearly said  no you dont becauseshe 
didn't 
 whataweird thing to say 

i just carried on like i neverheard it

 what do you do when a girl you fancy says i love you but not in the way 
you want her to love you ?

sorry im really confused.

anyway later that day i was making my way home and i poped in to virgin 
just to look about and saw 369 in front of me i hadgiven up of finding 
it agesago and was about to order it 

does anyone else on here have this weird connection thing i have with 
records and computer games i listen to certain games remind me of songs 
because thats what i was listening to at the time the new zelda game 
goes great with deserters songs by mercury rev.
iyfs goes with starfox.  probably why i like fox in the snow so much

does anyone else on this list ever listen to ian collins on talk.

sorry this a bit disjointed ,
 see im in a hurry any the space bar is half broken.

bye , 
        seamus (known as seamy (pronounced  as shame-ie))

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From radioheadsuck at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 14:06:02 1999
From: radioheadsuck at xxx.com (Seamus Harte)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:06:02 GMT
Subject: Sinister: what not to beused in casual conversation
Message-ID: <19990126140603.24672.qmail@hotmail.com>



hi everyone out there who have contributed to my entertainment since I 
havejoined.

i am having serious difficultly in reading anything up to half of the 
mails,
and believe me i do have alot of time on my hands

 I caught about 15seconds ofb&s's century of fakers's video in telly 
last week.
It was on popon3 (on irish telly) as that bloke with the weird hair said 
a bit about b&s being nominated for the brits. 

snowpatrol also made an appearance with the video of their new single , 
but thats to be expected since they are irish.

A weird thing happened to me on thursday,
i was helping one of my friends out with her project( this is a computer 
programming project btw) ,
and when we were finished , she was all happy and said something like 
thanks, that's great and then 'I love you' but i was more of a i luv ya,  
and was like stunned inside andnearly said  no you dont becauseshe 
didn't 
 whataweird thing to say 

i just carried on like i neverheard it

 what do you do when a girl you fancy says i love you but not in the way 
you want her to love you ?

sorry im really confused.

anyway later that day i was making my way home and i poped in to virgin 
just to look about and saw 369 in front of me i hadgiven up of finding 
it agesago and was about to order it 

does anyone else on here have this weird connection thing i have with 
records and computer games i listen to certain games remind me of songs 
because thats what i was listening to at the time the new zelda game 
goes great with deserters songs by mercury rev.
iyfs goes with starfox.  probably why i like fox in the snow so much

does anyone else on this list ever listen to ian collins on talk.

sorry this a bit disjointed ,
 see im in a hurry any the space bar is half broken.

bye , 
        seamus (known as seamy (pronounced  as shame-ie))

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From reid.dossinger at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 14:09:34 1999
From: reid.dossinger at xxx.com (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:09:34 -0500
Subject: Sinister: I've been looking...
Message-ID: <36ADCC6E.993507C4@bigfoot.com>


Thank you Jake for being, I believe, the first to mention that Belle and
Sebastian have a few new things coming out.  I think it's a big deal,
yes I do; I think it's a big deal, how 'bout you?

> If StuD and Isobel managed to release all their creative juices ivia their
> side projects then they aren't going to feel the need to shove their stuff
> on a new B&S album and thus we get a proper good old StuM album (ok and a
> little from stevie but we can't complain). I'd just like to make the point
> that I don't think the other 2 are bad (in fact what I've heard from both
> of the is pretty good, Columbo's car by looper is damn fine) but I love the
> way that tigermilk and sinister flow in a way that TBWTAS doesn't just
> because the first 2 albums are just StuM.
>
Very intersting theory you got there...But, you've gotta figure that
"Paper Boat" will either be on the album or the single (the last I
heard, it was going to be THE single!), and as far as Stevie's stuff
goes, "The Wrong Girl" would probably make it onto the album.  They must
have been writing like crazy, because I can only think of three other
songs that might possibly go on it, and doesn't it seem doubtful that
"Rhoda" would be on there?  I'm assuming that we'll hear studio versions
of "The Lonliness.." and "Lord Anthony" (yay!)  Katrina, care to
enlighten us on possible song choices?

I think I'm the only person here who could talk about Belle and
Sebastian non-stop.  Not that I mind the off-topic stuff...some of it is
very entertaining (most of it isn't).  I just like talking about,
y'know...*them*.

~Reid

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Jan 26 13:37:30 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:37:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Do Wah Diddy Diddy Dum Diddy Do!
Message-ID: <01be4931$0580b9e0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>


My calendar says "S. Pablo" underneath yesterday's date, I wasn't
trying to be cheeky, honest. I apologise if I unwittingly condemned
Paul to spending all eternity in a fiery pit being whipped. It's
because I'm a proddy bastard.

Evie Sands! Evie Sands! I had to sit down and pour myself a stiff one
when I heard that, I'm sick with envy. Evie's "Take Me For a Little
While" nestles somewhere near the top of my personal Hot One Hundred,
which I'll be posting to the list with explanatory commentary a week
next Thursday. Ms Sands is just one of a galaxy of recording stars on
"The Red Bird Story", a smashing 4 CD set from Charly Records Ltd,
full of beautiful sounds. Paul, this is where Ronnie Mitchell's
"Having a Party" comes from, which should give you some idea of what
kind of atmosphere to expect at the church hall next week. Surely
worth hiring an air ambulance for the night? I'm sure they'd let you
park your bath chair next to the stage and lend you an ear trumpet.
Fluffy! This is where "Mary Weiss Speaks" comes from, which should
give you some idea of the kind of advice that will be on offer on the
night. Evie Sands - I'd walk a million miles for one of her smiles.
Here's an uninteresting Evie Sands fact:

"After several mediocre records, (Jackie) Ross came out with the
excellent "Take Me For a Little While", in July 1965. With it's
rolling, catchy beat and plaintive plea, the song was a perfect
vehicle for the singer. It was, however, a cover of a just-released
record by Evie Sands, a young white singer in New York. Because Ross's
version was on the veteran Chess label and sung by an established
black star, it knocked off Evie Sands' song in most cities."

Really quite remarkable. If you're going to the concert, you could
memorise that and blurt it out to Ms Evie at an inappropriate moment,
and she will reply, "Why, fiddledy-diddledy dee, ain't that just the
darndest thing?" because she probably thinks no one knows who she is,
and will be overcome with joy at the waves of love flooding the stage.
Unless she's grumpy. Anyway, I want to go. As soon as it stops
raining, I'm going to set out walking. In case I don't get there in
time, can someone make sure to record it and take nice photos?
Jeepster should do it really, it'd be a massive hit and earn them a
place in the history books.

Speaking of history books, could someone please tell Warrander John
that I promise never to mention Gr*il M*rc*s again if he comes back
home, where he belongs, to the Sinister list. Because we miss him.

I've seen that film "54" and I thought it was shit, except for Austin
Powers.

Apologies to anyone who's waiting for me to reply to anything,
especially Anne, who's been waiting since mid-November.


Thank you for reading,

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From keith at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 26 14:34:37 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:34:37 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Milky biscuit competition
Message-ID: <000101be4939$0011c280$4e0129c2@sun.QSS>


A few pints for lunch today prompted the question... In the fascinating
world of POP, who out of all the participants would be likely to win a milky
biscuit competition - and who would be the unlucky fellar who got to eat the
cracker. At lunchtime we ascertained that in a competition between "Fast"
Eddie Clarke (guitarist and chum of Lemmy and Phil "thy animal" Taylor from
M(t(rhead) and Eric "old Slowhand" Clapton. That's obvious, but say for
example, it was Phil Collins versus "Rasping" Roland Gift from Fine Young
Cannibals... who's it to be!

Cheers,
  Keith.


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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 26 11:49:08 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:49:08 -0000
Subject: Sinister: re:new bad things, delgados
In-Reply-To: <199901260241.VAA12332@pobox.upenn.edu>
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The delgados also did a b-side cover version of a NBT song, 'The 
Dirge' - really disturbing, that one. It starts with your usual loyal 
love stuff and then starts twisting it i.e. "I love you / no matter 
where you spend the night." If this is a good example of them I'd 
like to hear more.

> 
> 	new bad things also have a split 7" with the delgados
> 	delgados do a france gall song (sacre charlemagne)
> 	new bad things do 'down caravan'
> 
> 	both are pretty good songs.  the single is on Lissy's
> 	(po box 14477 London SW16 2WJ)
> 
> 
> 	--lap
> 
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From rap101 at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 26 15:03:02 1999
From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:03:02 +0000 ()
Subject: Sinister: who's died today?
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.990126141604.-242231B-100000@cst270.york.ac.uk>


right, time to start pinning down some more pointless ephemera into
type.

i really really hate coke. all that secret recipe crap scares me, and
anyway it tastes horrible. i think we've been brainwashed into
thinking it's drinkable in any way.

dead famous people: true about not knowing who's really dead. has
anyone else done those morbid 'dead poll' things where you have to
place bets on certain famous people dying this year, and if they do
die you win money? and different celebrities have different values ie.
if they're old/sick (boris yeltsin, queen mother) you win less.
princess diana would have been a goldmine i expect. kind of sick
really - i would feel if i had someone on my list and they kicked the
bucket that i was in some way responsible. especially if i'd been
feeling broke and casually wished that some minor personality would
die so i could clean up. maybe that's what happened to diana - the
combined prophetic power of everyone who had her on their dead poll
list just got too much.

moving seamlessly into the re-release of tigermilk...i have the
notorious cd with Stum allegedly sounding like a chipmunk, so it will
no doubt be an eye/ear opening experience. maybe i LIKE the chipmunk
sound though. mm.

seamus wrote (4 times actually, in my digest):

*******
 what do you do when a girl you fancy says i love you but not in the
way
you want her to love you ?
********

sigh a little, and then wonder whether if maybe the way she meant it
isn't the best way anyway, ie. as a friend who's not afraid to express
a feeling of affection. this would be the nice, fluffy explanation
anyway. alternatively, you can grind your teeth at the cruelty and
flightiness of woman.

you should never say 'i love you' when you don't mean it, but you can
mean it in many differnt ways.

gosh, i'm boring and pompous.

i love you...

archel xxx
 
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From Mew817 at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 15:32:15 1999
From: Mew817 at xxx.com (Mew817 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:32:15 EST
Subject: Sinister: coke--as in cola
Message-ID: <eebbcaa8.36addfff@aol.com>


Hi again

Archel wrote:
> i really really hate coke. all that secret recipe crap scares me, and
>  anyway it tastes horrible. i think we've been brainwashed into
>  thinking it's drinkable in any way.

I am from Atlanta, GA where coke was invented by a Dr. Pemberton (I think
that's right) who was a druggist.  Having been raised on coca cola, as many
other Southern Americans, I do enjoy a nice cold glass, especially on a hot
humid summer day.  Anyway, I thought I'd shed some light on the secret recipe
thing.  I was always intrigued by this until I visited the Coca cola museum
(yes, there is one!) here in Atlanta with my uncle last year.  I went into
this replica soda fountain in the museum and these men were explaining how
coke is made....  Anyway, they said that there is nothing actually secret in
the recipe, just that the amounts of the ingredients are secret.  Like they
use the same ingredients as other colas, but the amounts are different.  That
kinda ruined all the mystique for me, but it's interesting nonetheless!
So, unless this is just a cover up to hide some crazy secret ingredients (ha
ha!), I wouldn't worry too much about the secret recipe.  ;)

Have a coke and a smile
mew  x

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From ronny.fonzeus at xxx.se  Tue Jan 26 16:44:11 1999
From: ronny.fonzeus at xxx.se (Sebastian Fonzeus)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:44:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: My B&S BBC-sessions tape died yesterday!
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Hi everybody out there!

I'm really sorry to clutter the list with this request, but this is really
urgent for me! Yesterday I popped my B&S BBC-sessions tape into the
tape-deck of my stereo and just a few seconds into the slow version of
"Seeing Other People" it snapped! And I was like "oh no oh no, this can't
be happening"! Anyway, so I would really really really like to get ahold of
those sessions again and while I'm at it I might as well ask if anyone has
got the recordings I don't have. So here it goes, is anyone out there
willing to tape me (complete versions of) the following stuff?

* Radio 1 Mark Radcliffe Show [July 1996 - 4 songs]
* Radio 1 Mark Radcliffe Show [December 1996 - 4 songs]
* Radio 1 Evening Session [July 1997 - 4 songs]
* Radio 1 Evening Session [Bus Tour mini-session - 1 song]
* Radio Scotland - Peter Easton's "Beat Patrol" [December 1997 - 3 songs]
* Radio France - The Black Sessions [October 1998 - 13 songs]

The ones I had before were crappy 4th or 5th generation copies so if anyone
has got low-generation good-sounding copies of all of the above sessions
(and willing to tape them for me), I would be delighted if you'd like to
e-mail me.

I guess that's it. Once again, I apologize for this totally uninteresting
post. I just had to make this request. I hope it's not to much to ask for?
If it is, then please forgive me. And by the way, I think it's absolutely
great that "Tigermilk" finally is being re-released! It's such a great
record and everybody should be able to listen to it! Have a real cool time!
/Sebastian

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From milka at xxx.net  Tue Jan 26 16:03:33 1999
From: milka at xxx.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?sandra_gonz=E1lez_urbano?=)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:03:33 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Sinister: Re: can happiness last for ever??
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Last sunday i spent a wonderful evening. although you probably are not interested in knowing about it, i'll tell you how it went.
It began in a cinema, where some friends and i went to see the film "the double life of veronica" of kieslowski (what a difficult surname to write...). it is a film of 1991 - i'm not sure- but i haven't seen it yet.
After this film, we where supposed to see "blue" (also kieslowski) but the magic and poetry of "the double life" had taken us and we couldn't see any other film. The music of it (a dutch composer of the 18th century) was resounding inside our heads and we felt as if we had been inside another world for two hours.
Then we decided to go to a "pub". We went into the old part of barcelona (the gothic part), full of dark, sinuous, wonderful, and out-of-time streets . One of my friends took us to a bar she had just discovered the week before: very, very small, with candles as only illumination and spanish baroque period music contributing to the atmosphere. we sat there and we spent there three hours with a great cup of wild strawberry tea, talking about music, life, death, love, literature... I felt happy (it was also the magic sensation of realizing that, even tough there are millions of people in the world, we four have meet and we have similar ideas about some things and we don't hae to feel special any more because we know there are more people who share of interests and we can spend hours doing really nothing but everything important.)
then i went home. there was nothing on tv (there is never anything on tv and i don't care) and i went directly to my room. i laid on the bed, listening to a "short album about love" of the divine comedy, thinking that i could spend my whole life this way (going to the cinema, reading, listening to music, being with friends...() and i would be happy. BUT then an inconvenient sensation came to my head: if i spent all of my time doing these kind of normal but special thiings, would i value them as now i do because i know they are unique moments? would them lose their magic because of "dailiness"? is it that happines cannot last forever????

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From Mark at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 16:23:58 1999
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:23:58 -0000
Subject: Sinister: We're not adult oriented
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Mew said:

 Is it just
me being crazy or is 23 going on 24 starting to sound old?  I'm so used to
feeling young (in my family, at school...) and it is so weird to realize
that
I'm not really.  Also, I see all these people doing cool things (music,
acting, sports) who are so young and it just makes me feel old and that I've
wasted time!  Damn them!  ;) 

Well, I'm 24 going on 25 and never has being 24 seemed so appealing...early
20s is a nice place to be, though I must say it didn't turn out as ideal as
I had hoped - it was, for me, very much like my first days at a new school -
going from being a fourth year, been-there-done-that kind of laid back,
experienced hipster student (yeah, right :) to suddenly facing the adult
world with a metaphorical Dennis the Menace satchel and a quivering bottom
lip, and a graze on my knee from where the big boys pushed me over. Ow.

So I'm kind of feeling optimistic about my impending late 20s now, probably
mainly because I'm that wee bit more pragmatic and know there's nothing I
can do about it. I'm also at the stage where if I find a grey hair I heap
love and tenderness on it, as any hair of any colour is a damn good thing,
as long as it's on my head rather than colonising some new and unwelcome
part of my body.

And as for young people with fame and success and lives obviously a thousand
times better than (most of) ours - well, good for them. I would have loved
to have spent my sixth form years in the hit parade, but although I have no
illusions that it'll ever happen, I'm probably more honestly positive about
doing something worthwhile with myself the older I get (disregarding for a
second that pesky insecurity about wasting my life that I'm conveniently
avoiding for the sake of this argument).

That's enough of that. Instead, I shall say that for me, "The Groop Played
Space Age Bachelor Pad Music" by Stereolab and Super Mario World (I think)
are inextricable, and I find myself remembering long-forgotten tactics and
such whenever I listen to it. It's absolutely fucking fantastic, by the
way...

Il vostro Biondino xxxx
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From his8jm at xxx.UK  Tue Jan 26 16:25:18 1999
From: his8jm at xxx.UK (J. MURTAGH)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:25:18 GMT
Subject: Sinister: let's all clap together.
Message-ID: <BAC2AA2FF7@arts-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>


Hiya man/ woman/ inbetweeners

I listen to Ian Collins on Talk Radio and he is very good. Hmm how 
factual of me. Anyway, I think Miff is a cool bloke and very funny. 
What happened to Sarah is she out now? Talk Radio. 1053 1089 am 12 
ONWARDS.

Anyway, I'm the bloke who said the list was shit. Well that's what a 
few people are saying. I didn't actually say that the list was shit, 
because that just sounds like I'm being indescriminate and moany. No. 
What I actually said was that the list is becoming a pain to read, 
because of people who do Dear Diary and it's usually too long. I 
don't hate them nothing personal but it's well . . cak and boring and 
all the other stuff.

And don't even bother with that old routine of ganging up on me 
because there are loads of people on this list who think the same way
In fact it's quite strange because the people who have said  "leave 
it aat !" are in fact the very people who do very. . . . long. . . . 
messages. So hurrah for me and my iconoclasm and subversive messages, 
I aint gonna bow down to any long message people.
Take a hint read the lovely sweet, mellifluous and SHORT messages of 
Mew and Claire.

Byee
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From honey at xxx.net  Tue Jan 26 17:00:29 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:00:29 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: a quick word
Message-ID: <Pine.GS4.4.02.9901261654520.4487-100000@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk>


I've said a million times that I don't consider the goodness or
badness of content on the list a topic for discussion - it's
guaranteed to bring the list down in a succession of "stop posting
crap, it's not crap, who are you to say, why shouldn't I?" messages
that flood every mailing list from time to time, and usually results
in a worse mailing list then when you "tried" to correct it.  If
anyone wants to discuss list content, be responsible and politely
mail the people who you feel are sinning privately, (and accept the
consquences) or talk to me about it.  Otherwise we all end up our own
backsides, which in most cases, is not where we wish to be.

I don't consider THIS mail a topic for discussion on the list either
:)  If necessary I'll take action to stop this sort of galloping
deterioration and you may encounter THE BLACK HOLE.

honey xxx

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From bobbins2000 at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 17:05:57 1999
From: bobbins2000 at xxx.com (Beth Tilston)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:05:57 PST
Subject: Sinister: Re: Girlfriend in a coma
Message-ID: <19990126170610.23896.qmail@hotmail.com>


Pamela H wrote,

>Has anyone read Douglas Coupland's 'Girlfriend in a coma'?

 Well.....no, but I have read three of his other books - 'Generation X', 
'Shampoo Planet' and 'Life After God'.  He ROCKS MY WORLD!!!!!!!   
'Generation X' is my favouritist book ever!

   LOve Beth XXXXX 8)

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From MctaggartR at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 16:59:40 1999
From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:59:40 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Screen test with Michael Roddd
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Dear Diary,

People have been complaining about the list, I see.  Not me.   I'm the nice
young man you can take home to mother.

"Rodddcam".  Is there any sweeter word in the English language?  I haven't
seen it myself yet, but the idea of bringing Rodd instantly into my living
room makes me want to buy a better computer.  What an age we live in!  I
hope he isn't really sad though.  Shall we all send him a card?  A dozen red
roses?  A kissogram?  We can all tune into Roddcam, and watch his face light
up as she comes in the room and gives him a big snog.  I got a kissogram
once, when I left the washing up job I had when I was 17.  My fellow workers
clubbed together enough money to buy a drink for some pissed bloke in the
bar and tell him to go in the kitchen and grab my arse.  He took his job far
too seriously and kept following me to the gents and making "improper
suggestions".

Is it true that Chris Lynyrd is playing at Po Kaff?  I hope you're all going
to go and throw underwear at him.  I know I certainly am.

Love
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From macarthur at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 17:36:54 1999
From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:36:54 -0000
Subject: Sinister: fun n games
Message-ID: <E105CdI-0006LY-00@tungsten.btinternet.com>



Claire....this is simalar to your joke:

Theres a smartie and a jellybaby in a pub, and they're just chatting and
having a drink when a polo comes up and starts knocking the jellybaby about
and calling him names before going away again. The smartie turns to the
jellybaby and says "why don't you stand up for yourself mate? You've got to
stand up for yourself or you might as well not come out," and he spots the
polo approaching again with Tune, and adds "look, he's coming back again,
come on, heres your chance to do it," and the jellybaby replies, "what!
with that bloody tune? he's menthol....."

well, I laughed. 

love and misses
Erica

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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 18:01:57 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:01:57 EST
Subject: Sinister: Douglas Coupland
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			Douglas Coupland is, as you wonderful people stated already, capable of
rocking our worlds. I don't know which one(s) of his books is/are my
favourite(s) because they are all so fantastic and full of the greatest little
images and sentences, which piece together into a crazy quilt of literary
genius.
Blur quotes douglas coupland (or douglas coupland quotes blur, tho I think
that mr coupland said it first) on the liner notes for Modern Life is
Rubbish... The bit regarding Legislated Nostalgia. I think of that phrase when
I remember suburban childhood... it wasn't like TV, yet I see televised
childhood and remember mine as somehow similar. I don't understand that.
Perhaps a psychology expert could explain that.
           Also I'd like to apologise to J. Murtagh & the others.. sorry, i
don't know your names or I would use them. If my posts are too long or too
reminiscent of a ramble to a diary, then forgive me. I haven't been on this
list too long; a matter of weeks, i think it's been. I read the FAQ and
thought I was in the boundaries of that. If I've drifted out of line, it's
purely because my attention span isn't too fantastic. 
        I've enjoyed the posts recently, until content started being
evaluated.. I don't mean that as a jab at anyone; merely stating an opinion.
so there's my thoughts; hope this hasn't dragged on. I did try to keep this
short.

                now let's return to regularly scheduled programming

                                dave
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From monroej at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 18:05:55 1999
From: monroej at xxx.com (John F. Monroe)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:05:55 -0600
Subject: Sinister: RE: mercifully brief post for all tired hepcats  - and a plea to anyone in France
Message-ID: <011d01be4956$85dfbbc0$5d5acfa9@monroej.execpc>



Lesley Jo recently wrote:

i hope the value of the old tigermilk goes down to like 20 dollars and all
the people who were silly enough to waste money on it are left with no
opportunity to sell it for profit.  you couldn't wait a few months for a
proper one?


* well, this made me think, when did it get pricey? I think i have an issue
of Record Collector from either January or February 1997 in which Tigermilk
is being sought, in an ad in the back, for £60 ( about$110 ). The thing
about waiting a few months is probably not the case for a lot of people who
paid a high price for it,myself included there.  Yeah, if somrone bought it
as some kind of invrestment, then they probably will not get the big return
they had hoped for.  I don't foresee the original pressing ever being seen
as common as dirt though :)


People of France, lend me your ears, and your vcrs!  If anyone can videotape
the February 3rd airing of the Belle and Sebastian Black Sessions, please
get in contact with me, if you can be so kind :)
I would love to make a trade with anyone who can videotape that ( and if you
happen to also be a  Fall or Spiritualized fan, then I can certainly offer
some various neat things to tape in trade  )

-JohnFM...

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From jordi-tv at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 16:41:39 1999
From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:41:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: "All videos are vile...."
Message-ID: <19990126194139.HM.00000000000AWm3@mixmail.com>


.... Said Morrissey at the 1984 NME�s Poll. But yesterday, at the spanish satellite tv 40 TV they showed "Is it wicked not to care ?". Before, the presenter said that B&S are one of the best bands of the nineties. It was the first time that I saw the Cocteau�s words and the first smile from Isobel. They also showed videos form Cane 141, Hefner and New Order. 
 My question is if there is a video for "a century of fakers". and I also would like to know who is the girl who appears at the TIJAMRS video. 
      I agree with Sandra: if you come to Barcelona, you should go to the gothic part. Really nice and with good bars. Mr.Miller, will you send me the tape from the New York show ?


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From alix.campbell at xxx.net  Tue Jan 26 20:10:57 1999
From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:10:57 -0000
Subject: Sinister: you can't ravish a tin of sardines 
Message-ID: <00b801be4968$1808aa00$363ba8c2@big-comp>


hello sinners

am i really that deadpan? i am beginning to get worried. anyway, i'd like to
publicly apologise again to rory for the beard misunderstanding.
it's a relief to know that i was mistaken. i'm glad i made an interesting
inpression....

now, reading that 12 nicens albums of last year list, i felt like i was
reading american psycho, in the bits where patrick goes on about genesis and
whitney houston for a chapter each. i skipped those chapters.

i ended up in a demo about tuition fees last night, by accident. what abject
joy! it was very amusing, and i simply couldn't take it seriously. not when
the student masses were seemingly led by a man with a lisp. and someone was
passing pringles round. i think i shamed one of my friends, who had
inadvertantly joined the socialist worker party, by telling one of the swp
members that i had 'apathy up to my ears'. he told me i was playing into the
hands of the ruling classes. or something. i was too unsober to think of a
good argument.

dear diary, in my fantastic job i have to explain what digestive biscuits
are, to tourists. and why cafetiere isn't pronounced cafeteria. 'can i have
a cafeteria of coffee please?' they say, and i say 'yes, i'll just go and
buy you one, but are you sure it's advisable to invest in the catering
business during your lunchbreak?'

gay dad? bor-inG.

enough already

alix.x
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"No, Patrick," Luis says. "They were . . . broiled"
It's silent in the boardroom as I contemplate this, thinking it through
before asking, finally,
"What's 'broiled,' Luis?"
"I'm not sure," he says. "I think it involves . . . a pan"










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From MMeyerson at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 20:51:14 1999
From: MMeyerson at xxx.com (Mark Meyerson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:51:14 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Black Sessions - Tape Tree
Message-ID: <54BC0FDB2C7CD2119B6500A0C9E1E16302B513@HAL>


Ok I know I also (amongst all the other pleas) made a request for the Black
Sessions

Well it seems there is enough desire

Why don't we do a Tape Tree

You ask what is a tape tree
well on other lists (mostly the dead/Dylan/NYoung ect..)
they very often do what is called Tape Trees

a tape tree is a system where by the most people get the lowest generation
copy
i.e.

Vivian has a first generation copy (hopefully on DAT or CDR)
He Makes a Copy for Greg, Marsha, and Jan 
Then Greg makes a copy for Velma, Daphine and Fred
Then Marsha makes a copy for Fred, Ricky and Lucy
Then Jan makes a copy for Brendan, Dylan, and Kelly

and there we have it 
12 people get at least a 2nd generation copy and nobody has to do more than
three copies

so what you do to start it out is everyone sends their e-mail address to the
head Tape Tree Person
and tells them weather or not they can make copies or they just want a copy
and sends their e-mail and snail mail address
Then a list is made that looks like this

Greg
	Velma
	Daphine
	Jan

Marsha
	Fred 
	Ricky
	Lucy
You get the point

so the people in the first column will get a good copy from Vivian
they make copies and mail them out
and the people in the second column just wait for the tape to show

and it depends on what people want who are taping
but the easiest is to send a blank tape and some stamps to mail it back with

I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE BLACK SESSIONS
but would be glad to administer this Tree
so send me an e-mail if you'd like to be a part of the tree (tell me if you
can tape or burn CDs and your address and if you'd like to trade tapes or
just trade blanks)
I will take a day or so to get back to the list 


well 
wha-dya say
MMMMMMark

PS I'd love to do this CD-r so people with burners get in touch
PSS I don't know the length of the black session but maybe we could put some
sessions on it too

PSS there will be no profit generated in this and is only to get music to
the people who love it
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From gnance at xxx.edu  Tue Jan 26 21:05:29 1999
From: gnance at xxx.edu (Ginger Nance)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:05:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: The Natural Life Cycle Of Mailing Lists 
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95L.990126160033.73258D-100000@login4.isis.unc.edu>


I hope Honey Paul doesn't fuss at me, but I thought this was topical and
appropriate.  And we all have great senses of humor, don't we?!

Oh, for those who are afraid of Coke, there's another "secret recipe" soda
to be afraid of.  It's a store brand of a chain of grocery stores here in
the US, and is called Dr. Smooth.  It's a knock-off of Dr. Pepper, but
boasts of its secret recipe.  

Ginger :)

Ginger Nance                       
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The Natural Life Cycle Of Mailing Lists

Every list seems to go through the same cycle:

1.Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush a lot about how
wonderful it is to find kindred souls).

2.Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, and
brainstorm recruitment strategies).

3.Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads develop,
occasional off-topic threads pop up).

4.Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of
information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as
less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other;
newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone -- newbie and
expert alike -- feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and
sharing opinions).

5.Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically;
not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining
about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other*
people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with
person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted
complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads
themselves; everyone gets annoyed).

6.Finally:

1.Smug complacency and stagnation

(the purists flame everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with
humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a
doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions
happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists
spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping
off-topic threads off the list).

OR

2.Maturity

(a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage
4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out
their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Tue Jan 26 20:57:48 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:57:48 +0000
Subject: Sinister: I could be a electrical wizard! aaah the promises of the Tandy Catalogue!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9901251117460.9323-100000@granby>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9901251117460.9323-100000@granby>
Message-ID: <MQqbzAAMxir2Ew5y@elsato97.demon.co.uk>


Yo kids!

Wassup mah fly 'G's...
(whats a 'G'?)
(in fact what is a 'Gee'? There's a Sugar song called Gee Angel which is
fab, but, eh eh what? Is it Ghee misspelt? I mean the stuff that goes in
your hair if you are Mark Lamarr)

Aranxta, who likes the odd can of Fanta:

>So,Fluffy,I am going to do my best to meet you down in London! You are my
>list heroin, and am addicted to your messages. Can anyone persuade Robin
>that the Duke of Harringay actually has his residence in Exeter? I can't,
>he doesn't believe me.

Robin - the duke DOES live in Exeter cos yonks ago he gave me his
address to make him a tape and I believe I have forgotten. Doh! Yes you
woman, come to London or ELSE!!! And we shall rock and roll about the
floor and scream when ROOLZ come onstage to do their business. Madam.

Weejay - I have that My Life Story strumpet badge as well, as do most of
my friends! Is that rare in Southampton then? Southampton is where my
relatives are, but I haven't been down there for ages. They have a 7"
singles box though in their HMV!! Rockin cha!

Leseleeee - here is what I was doing. The words "lesley jo", rhyme with
"telletubby po". That is why I said it. Of course you do not look like
telletubby po! Unless you are short and red and have a telly in your
tummy and ride about on a scooter. The worst thing is, Po dances better
than I do. And is more sucessful than me. Oh heavens. I am not thinking
about this ANY MORE.

Is anyone on the list from KINGSTON (upon thames london?)? Cos, while I
am down south I would like to have a look at "Kingston" to see what it's
like, cos Kingston is my first choice Uni and all that....and they
haven't got back to me yet...sob chiz chiz.

I hate people who complain about people who complain about the list.
Ner.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
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From carllafong at xxx.net  Tue Jan 26 21:09:43 1999
From: carllafong at xxx.net (John Mahoney)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:09:43 -0500
Subject: Sinister: hello
Message-ID: <001b01be4970$4ee444a0$3b6785ce@the-wonder-box>

I think I'll be welcoming Reid's posts from now on. His last was the first one of his that I've seen, and its good to have someone with as much knowledge about about the band that I do about......em......corned beef. (??) I'm liking the news, and info about future tracks. but I kind of missed part, is the band in the studio now or are they not? 

i find myself going to the jeepster website constantly because of the lack of other B&S sites. not to offend anyone who has a site about the band, I probably havent found them. anyone know any good ones? I would love it if there was one with the coolness of the radiohead (gasp!) planet telex site, (underworld.net/radiohead)

I happen to really enjoy radiohead, and I've kind of found that some on the list dont and some do. They're just two totally different types of music and different bands. Maybe they're arent like by some because they're so popular and "Paranoid Android" was driven deep into your skull before the album came out. But the radio here sucks and never plays anything decent (in my opinion) and no ne here even really likes good bands, evryone with their matchbox20's and what have you. but I like them, and it seems that all the records that I really love are always from the UK. 

i guess seamus should skip this part if his email address is any indication
current albums of interest for me:  

Spiritualized/live at RAH. 
RADIOHEAD: Airbag/how am I driving
Money Mark: Push the button
REM: Up
and of course, a selection of B&S favorites

bye for now
John M   (another one, yes!)
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From carllafong at xxx.net  Tue Jan 26 21:14:10 1999
From: carllafong at xxx.net (John Mahoney)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:14:10 -0500
Subject: Sinister: hello 2
Message-ID: <002701be4970$d1f03de0$3b6785ce@the-wonder-box>


If you've already seen this, i sent it again because I think my email messed
up, if you did sorry, but one thing i'd like to add is

"One of the stupidest things you can do is criticize someone else's taste in
music"
                            ---Mr. Lawson
(Read on to find significance)


I think I'll be welcoming Reid's posts from now on. His last was the first
one of his that I've seen, and its good to have someone with as much
knowledge about about the band that I do about......em......corned beef.
(??) I'm liking the news, and info about future tracks. but I kind of missed
part, is the band in the studio now or are they not?

i find myself going to the jeepster website constantly because of the lack
of other B&S sites. not to offend anyone who has a site about the band, I
probably havent found them. anyone know any good ones? I would love it if
there was one with the coolness of the radiohead (gasp!) planet telex site,
(underworld.net/radiohead)

I happen to really enjoy radiohead, and I've kind of found that some on the
list dont and some do. They're just two totally different types of music and
different bands. Maybe they're arent like by some because they're so popular
and "Paranoid Android" was driven deep into your skull before the album came
out. But the radio here sucks and never plays anything decent (in my
opinion) and no ne here even really likes good bands, evryone with their
matchbox20's and what have you. but I like them, and it seems that all the
records that I really love are always from the UK.

i guess seamus should skip this part if his email address is any indication
current albums of interest for me:

Spiritualized/live at RAH.
RADIOHEAD: Airbag/how am I driving
Money Mark: Push the button
REM: Up
and of course, a selection of B&S favorites

bye for now
John M   (another one, yes!)

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From winboog at xxx.net  Tue Jan 26 21:59:32 1999
From: winboog at xxx.net (Robert Morris)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:59:32 -0500
Subject: Sinister: hello 2
Message-ID: <199901262205.RAA01664@home.gis.net>



> I happen to really enjoy radiohead, and I've kind of found that some on
the
> list dont and some do. They're just two totally different types of music
and
> different bands. Maybe they're arent like by some because they're so
popular
> and "Paranoid Android" was driven deep into your skull before the album
came
> out. But the radio here sucks and never plays anything decent (in my
> opinion) and no ne here even really likes good bands, evryone with their
> matchbox20's and what have you. but I like them, and it seems that all
the
> records that I really love are always from the UK.
> 

   I have to interject here and say that I'm quite tired of "there are no
good bands in America" thing. Select magazine has a piece this month
something to the effect of "...Only in America" that lists all the absolute
worst that the American music industry has to offer. It lists the Matchbox,
Third Eye, Sugar Ray, Jewel, Cherry Poppin', Blues Traveller, Dave
MAtthews, etc. Each and every one of these bands , is of course, crap.
Where are the mentions of the Beastie Boys, Beck, Pavement, Yo La Tengo,
Wilco,REM, Victoria Williams etc... And if they are going to list all of
these American phenomenons shouldn't All Saints, Robbie Williams, Gomez,
Travis, Embrace, Catatonia et al get mentions as  examples of "only in
England crap."

   Of course Matchbox 20 sucks, and of course American commercial radio
sucks, but don't buy into some cynical America sucks musical reasoning. 

   "Why would they want us there, they've got everything"
                  -George Harrison, before getting on the plane to come to
America in 1964


   I'm sorry to vent a little bit, it jsut seems like an as equally
ridiculous train of thought as the early nineties "England sucks." crap.

    I hope I didn't spoil anyone's day. Take care.


                   Robert Morris
                   winboog at gis.net

now playing-Blind Gary Davis, Harlem Street Singer

                    



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From bp224996 at xxx.edu  Wed Jan 27 00:11:42 1999
From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:11:42 -0500
Subject: Sinister: A Cacaphony of Sentences
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Hello,
	Well, some interesting things today. Yes, again, the New Bad Things
have absolutely nothing to do with B&S. However, did you know one of
them is on Sha-La-La? He's actually in a band who has covered B&S (heard
it with my own ears) and is probably doing a tape for Sandcastle. But I
won't speak much of that, and personally I like his current band much
better than the New Bad Things, and really am not terribly familiar with
them.
		
Reid writes:
> Very intersting theory you got there...But, you've gotta figure that
> "Paper Boat" will either be on the album or the single (the last I
> heard, it was going to be THE single!), and as far as Stevie's stuff
> goes, "The Wrong Girl" would probably make it onto the album.  They 
> must have been writing like crazy, because I can only think of three 
> other songs that might possibly go on it, and doesn't it seem doubtful > that "Rhoda" would be on there?  I'm assuming that we'll hear studio 
> versions of "The Lonliness.." and "Lord Anthony" (yay!)  Katrina, care > to enlighten us on possible song choices?
        
	Yes, does everyone remember the post where Stu M posted and said they'd
recorded "Paper Boat"? I think it's safe to assume it'll be on the
single. I heard they wouldn't ever be recording "The Loneliness..."
which I think would be an awful travesty. Hopefully that rumor was not
true. I think that your prediction of the single is pretty accurate,
Reed, as long as the rumor wasn't true. But personally, I just don't
like Lord Anthony as much as everyone else seems to. It's nice, but no
nicer than any other B&S song that's been out recently, except maybe
Middle Distance Runner. 
	As to the album itself, I do think it unlikely that they will be
recording either "Rhoda," or "Tigermilk," as said songs appear to have
dropped off of the face of the earth forever. Perhaps the band is doing
the traditional band thing of debuting one or two songs at live shows,
then writing the rest of the album right before recording the album.
They must be, because otherwise they'd have to be using Struan's old
tapes, and I don't think they've been doing that much lately.
	Anyway, that's all I have for today, no story time kiddies. I'll bring
a felt board and some little felt bunnies to aid in the story tomorrow,
to make up for it.
  
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Wed Jan 27 01:48:26 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:48:26 -0800
Subject: Sinister: paperboat
Message-ID: <000301be4997$22b79ae0$4a11020a@rebelstrange>


hello, i'm jo and i'm a lengthy poster.  *HELLO, JO*
ok this is what i want to know, what is the deal with paper boat? is that
the cheesiest song i have ever heard or what??  it sounds like a game show
theme.  that's not necessarily the worst thing, but doesnt' stevie sing some
"bollox"(clever crap) about "going  out to have some fun"?  Did he write
that song?  i was under the impression before i heard the song that it was
anohter lord anthony lovely unrecorded song, but i was  disappointed last
night when i finally finished hearing my NY2 side of the tape.  and whoever
said the wrong girl is going to be on their next album, BLEAAAAH let us pray
otherwise!!!  i know it's mean.  never let it be said i was unfair, cos i
LOVE seymour stein, but the wrong girl is just sad and boring, except for a
brief tingle of rawkin-out  groove in the chorus, that only lasts till the
boring verses come on again. they could  re-write the  song with keeping the
chorus and putting totally new lyrics in and changing the melody, then it
would be better, its' just my opinion, but i'm the  one  who thinks is it
wicked and seymour stein fit in seamlessly with the entire TWBTAS texture.
stevie shoudl put out his own record for his  wrong girl.
on the subject of  stuart m's cheekbones, i realized that stuart david has
an extremely vague resemblance to david letterman, albeit a younger sort of
squished  version of him.  he's hard to draw by the way.

I'm not well versed on the subject of john hughes movies, in fact i despise
that genre with all the hate i can muster, which is a lot, but the idea of
the b&s version just made me all excited.  wee chris could be the goofy one
who is always wearing glasses and a funny hat, and dancing around. you know
what i'm talking about, never mind, i never have watched those movies but i
KNOW there is always a goofy one in them. and the isobel-girl rolls her eyes
whenever he comes round, but only in a good natured way, cos she knows he's
nice at heart.  stuart would make a cute girl i think, i''d look forward to
that.  poor things, to wake up flat as a board.  and they'd go brassiere
shopping together and wacky hijinx would necessarily ensue.  i know none of
you want to hear about this i just wanted to bitch about paper boat cos i
was highly let down.
LJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ
http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange
"I skip lightly through the fields and allow the sun's rays to inspire me."
--pj harvey

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From evanbear at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 00:11:21 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:11:21 -0500
Subject: Sinister: re:new bad things, delgados
References: <199901261142.LAA24446@mailhub.solent.ac.uk>
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whoah thats a cover?

i comnpletely love that song, thats the reason ive been trying to find
the new album cause i thought it was on there, if not ill have to find
whatever it is on
the college radio station here plays that all the time but im too shy to
call and ask about it, and my friend who worked there has decided to
lock herself in her dorm room all day instead of the all day minus an
hour which she spent on the radio o now im way too shy, plus i think
most of the other djs dont like me cause i request things they dont have
and stuff they dont like or yell at them when they make fun of the song
i request (like Giant Sand's "Welcome To My World" i yelled at the
people but i said something really lame so i felt dumb)
ill have to check out new bad things
thanks for mentioning that
-----Ev

np-Songs: Ohia-Impala (amazing album anyone into Will Oldham (esp.
Arise, Therefore) must check this band/this guy (band is basically one
guy named Jason Molina) out if they havent already, will oldham with a
cleaner voice that doesn't crack as much but no less passion or
whatever)

-- -----------------------------------------------------

I was happy when I put my new record on
But I was sad as I listened to it all alone
---"Feeling Fine" by Class

my home page:
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From vlass at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 00:19:30 1999
From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:19:30 -0500
Subject: Sinister: tape trees and pointless blathering
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990127001930.00a44c8c@mail.interlog.com>



>Why don't we do a Tape Tree

hehehe, i seem to recall a tape tree that grew here a few months back.
unfortunately it appears to have withered up and died due to neglect. and i
know for a fact that i'm one of the people to blame because i have a certain
tape lying around my bedroom that i should've mailed long, long, LONG ago.
sigh. i'm sorry...
but, i still don't have the black sessions so i wouldn't mind getting in on
it and i *promise* this time to be good. promise.

douglas coupland is such a popular subject on the list! he always seems to
come up. and that's my pointless comment about that.

i won't use this list as a diary, no sir. instead, if you care you can read
it for yourself at http://members.tripod.com/~meltingsnow/online.html. gee,
the internet has spawned such a large group of people willing to practically
sell their soul to strangers all in the name of html codes. yay!

belle and sebastian content ====> umm. my cat's breath smells like catfood.

teri xxx

hey weejay, what happened to the story email chain thing? i was very much
enjoying it...















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From kleonard at xxx.edu  Tue Jan 26 07:10:59 1999
From: kleonard at xxx.edu (Kirk Leonard)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:10:59 +1000
Subject: Sinister: Black Sessions - Tape Tree
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sign me up for this tree... I'd love a copy...


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From RSOLSON at xxx.US  Tue Jan 26 22:24:27 1999
From: RSOLSON at xxx.US (KRISTIN OLSON)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:24:27 -0600
Subject: Sinister: we are floating in space
Message-ID: <s6adeac4.045@SMSD.K12.KS.US>




Being new to the list, and recently educated on the ranks that don't care for dear diary posts, I'll keep it short and sweet


> If StuD and Isobel managed to release all their creative juices ivia their
> side projects then they aren't going to feel the need to shove their stuff
> on a new B&S album and thus we get a proper good old StuM album (ok and a
> little from stevie but we can't complain). I'd just like to make the point
> that I don't think the other 2 are bad (in fact what I've heard from both
> of the is pretty good, Columbo's car by looper is damn fine) but I love the
> way that tigermilk and sinister flow in a way that TBWTAS doesn't just
> because the first 2 albums are just StuM.
>

I agree totally!  Actually, my husband likes TBWTAS way better, he thinks it's a good evolution, but I don't know...Sinister gives me a dreamy, nirvana-like feeling attained previously only by U2's "promenade" and a handful of other songs by Flying Saucer Attack and Jason Spaceman's bands (or other less-than-perfect perscriptions).  If life were perfect, StuM would music me to sleep every night.

I think I'm the only person here who could talk about Belle and
Sebastian non-stop.  Not that I mind the off-topic stuff...some of it is
very entertaining (most of it isn't).  I just like talking about,
y'know...*them*.

~Reid

Actually, I've found most of the topics to be educational in one way or another.  Stuck in Heartland, USA, it's not exactly possible to pop on over to Barcelona's gothic zona for the weekend.  But I must say I enjoy the B&S posts the most, keep them coming.

Kirstin
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From asd2112 at xxx.net  Wed Jan 27 04:46:34 1999
From: asd2112 at xxx.net (adam davidson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:46:34 -0800
Subject: No subject
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hello all of you. this is my first time posting. anyway in response to
female songwrites , what about billie holiday? i agree we should stay
away from tori and alanis, and quite a few others i could think of.
well i'm sure all have more to say later.

adam

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From tomsather at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 23:13:23 1999
From: tomsather at xxx.com (Thomas Sather)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:13:23 PST
Subject: Sinister: RE: mercifully brief post for all tired hepcats - and a plea to anyone in France
Message-ID: <19990126231324.13553.qmail@hotmail.com>


I could be out of the loop and wrong about this, but isn't it being 
re-released on just CD?  If that's the case, most kids will still have a 
piece of pretty pricey wax.  Say that three times fast.
>
>Lesley Jo recently wrote:
>
>i hope the value of the old tigermilk goes down to like 20 dollars and 
al=
>l
>the people who were silly enough to waste money on it are left with no
>opportunity to sell it for profit.  you couldn't wait a few months for 
a
>proper one?



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From Snowinsumr at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 02:13:20 1999
From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:13:20 EST
Subject: Sinister: Tape Trees...what a beautiful plantation it will be...
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I will help nurture the tape trees...althought it bothers me that it sounds so
much like "tape worms"...maybe we should call them "Tigerjammy Trees"...our
own special name for them to seperate us from the world of other tape tree
traders...

love
megan elise
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From komis at xxx.edu  Wed Jan 27 03:16:42 1999
From: komis at xxx.edu (Dmitry Komis)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:16:42 -0600
Subject: Sinister: Re: [raisin girl] 
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At 08:46 PM 1/26/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>hello all of you. this is my first time posting. anyway in response to
>female songwrites , what about billie holiday? i agree we should stay
>away from tori and alanis, and quite a few others i could think of.
>well i'm sure all have more to say later.

i love billie's voice, nina simone is also quite nice, but why do you
dismiss tori amos?  She is an incredibly underrated talent, and please dont
put her in the same category as that alanis person, that is not a fair
comparison...tori's music is very passionate and beautiful and she is
constantly evolving musically.  her live shows are always moving and i
can't name another artist who cares more about her fans than tori.  she
deserves to be in a category all her own

dmitr^Y

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From bellefish at xxx.com  Tue Jan 26 20:22:10 1999
From: bellefish at xxx.com (sarah morgenstein)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:22:10 PST
Subject: Sinister: jibber jabber & chaos
Message-ID: <19990126202211.27872.qmail@hotmail.com>


eeek!
i just read thru 8 digests and my neck is quite stiff now but ill 
procede. hello again everybody, i havent written in awhile cos ive not 
had a chance to and im delighted to learn of upcoming looper and isobel 
releases. unfortunately my favourite little record store is not close to 
school at all so ill need them to mail me these new goodies when the 
time comes. browsing is best but ill just be glad to hear them anyway. 
hee hee, bis in my headphones now, its a mix tape that ive decided to 
call richard in holland. why? well, my sister is involved in a posies 
mailing list and she had to send a tape out which i ended up putting 
together over my break, wouldnt it be funny if he was reading this and 
if so, i apologize for the sloppy places ive noticed, how embarassing! 
so ive finally heard hefner and i enjoyed it, my friend requested that i 
play it on my show which comes up tomorrow again so ill play some more. 
my glasses are boring and id like a new pair cos when i put them down, 
theyre so light coloured that i cant find them again but definitely a 
variation on the standard black frames for me which i do enjoy seeing 
upon indie boys faces... and good luck to the grl whos trying to go 
blue! i must do some reading now, im fond of star shapes * * * * * * 
                       -sarah m (so im not confused with those who                                      
have been here longer :)


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From tinystar at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 04:08:07 1999
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:08:07 -0500
Subject: Sinister: you can find me out in the sandbox
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hihi list, this message is longwinded and selfcentered, and although i talk
about glitter and underwear you may want to skip it. there is stuart murdoch
content at the end.

i've just visited the lovely lesleyjo's page and had a look at the b+s
photos, and while salivating over stuart murdoch (yum, in a skinny
teeshirt!) i couldn't help but notice isobel's sweet little hat. does anyone
know where i might get such a hat, all furry and with ears? if i get one i
will mail a photo of me in it to whoever tipped me off. which is really
quite a wunnerful prize, and if you squint i've been told that i could
perhaps pass for miss kristen. so it's like getting two prizes, really. and
we've been told that we look like either tanya donnelly or chloe sevigny, so
it's four prizes in one! and to alyssa marie, if you like i can send you a
photo of me in hello kitty underwear you have so graciously offered up. i
seem to have done something odd with your message, like lost it, so if you'd
be so kind as to write me again i can arrange to pay you for hello kitty
underwear - my friend helen would also like some.

it's disheartening that Wumpkinny has been trademarked. i suppose it's all
for the best, really, as i never knew what it meant and was using it
liberally anyways. it will prevent mishaps caused by improper use, such as
when michelle threw an uncapped pen at me.

the carpenters have been mentioned in passing, and so i've been listening to
them. i heard on the radio the other day that "we've only just begun" is no
longer the most requested wedding song, it's either that celine dion titanic
song or the new shania twain. poo, if i ever get married i'm going to have a
lawrence welk wedding with not only the carpenters, but also bubble
machines, champagne and plenty of baby blue. and of course, belle and
sebastian.

i'm disappointed with the roddcam. i was hoping to catch a bit of nudity,
but so far all i've seen is empty room and messy bed. come on rodd, show us
your, erm, rod! this is on behalf of the whole list, now. i'm not in any way
affiliated with this smut. and for heaven's sakes, do it after 9pm so
children won't see.

whoooo! new belle and sebastian coming out soon! even though it's going to
feel like an eternity...but i'll fill the time listening to barry white.
"you're the first, the last, my everything". smoooove. maybe keef's band
could do some barry white? "bababah bumbum i can't get enough of your love,
babe".


mmm, i almost forgot to say how nice it is to be able to put photos of
fluffy sarah and lesleyjo alongside their words in my head, since i saw them
on lesleyjo's website.
fluffy sarah: i also envy teletubby po, if only because her bum wiggles in
that way when she runs, or rather wobbles away. i'm sure if i had a blue
glittery belly people would buy me a scooter and stop me in the street to
squeeze me. yes? yes? of course you would, then i would crochet you your
very own scarf with sequins on the ends.
weeeeej: you've inspired me to make my very own strumpet badge. what an
excellent word, like crumpet or trumpet. the badge will be pink and
glittery.

ohohoh, today's underwear: none. just pyjamas. and i was going to write
about my glasses but i'll be getting a new pair in a little while and then
i'll have to update you on those.

time to sleep. my lion, roarrr, wishes you all nice dreams full of stuart
murdoch's belly. it's just as well they didn't play in toronto or i would
have thrown my panties.

kisskiss,
jessicaxo

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside
the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even
orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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From Mphintz at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 04:37:33 1999
From: Mphintz at xxx.com (Mphintz at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:37:33 EST
Subject: Sinister: hell-fire barbecue
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	This afternoon I saw a large crowd of students gathered on their way between
classes.  Ah, the reason was just the hell-fire preacher, moved from across
campus to save our souls.  I doubt he would think much of us on this list--he
sent nearly everyone in the crowd to hell "with Tupac".  (Which is odd that he
is still releasing records after being dead so long.  If Stu M. were to have a
gang-related 'accident'--I wish he were as prolific in death.  Nick Drake
isn't releasing more records since he died--he must be taking a vacation for a
millenium or so).  

	I doubt the preacher would think much of B&S either.  The line about playing
with oneself instead of going to church might upset him.  My advice would be
to not discuss politics or religion with this man.  He rarely is still, and
makes motions of throwing his Bible on the ground.  

	I didn't stay to listen to him; I had important things to do.  They involved
at least one mortal sin.

			Living and loving
				Matthew
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From juliesque at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 06:27:07 1999
From: juliesque at xxx.com (Julie Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:27:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Now *that's* entertainment!
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Hey list kids.

I've just gotten back home and am in a joyful mood because of a great
movie I just saw -- Rushmore.  Please don't be discouraged by the
marketing people who seem intent on portraying it as "a zany 90's
comedy."  I mean, I guess it is, but it's also sweet, funny, touching,
unusual and best of all, ORIGINAL!  Imagine that!!

Wes Anderson (the director and writer) proves that you can still
squeak a well-written, non-formulaic film past Hollywood types. And it
has a a nice soundtrack too--Belle and Sebastian would have fit right
in.

Wait a second, do you think I liked it?  Yes, yes I did. And I promise
I don't work for Touchstone.

Julie

P.S. While you're waiting for it to come out, you could always rent
Wes Anderson's other movie Bottle Rocket at your local video store.




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From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 06:26:39 1999
From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:26:39 EST
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk reissue question
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Will the reissue be identical to the original or are there bonus cuts planned
like any unreleased trax from the sessions?

Pete 
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From thunderw at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 27 07:18:32 1999
From: thunderw at xxx.uk (James)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:18:32 -0000
Subject: No subject
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Kate Bush too, if we're talking about female songwriters that make us
tingle. And yes, Billie (Holliday that is) rules. But I stil think Tori's a
bit yucky. Sorry Dmitry. 

Anyone who happens to be a stoodent at York university and appreciates the
post-rocky side of life check out Carolyn at the Battle of the Bands thingy
tonight. I haven't heard them yet but my best Belle and Sebastian friend
Melanie plays guitar for them and if that isn't a high enough
recommendation for you.....  But its their first gig so be gentle.

Anyway, so I've been listening to all this Hefner talk that's been going on
here, and when I heard someone mention that New Bad Things cover version
about Vic Chesnutt I thought it's about time I checked this lot out, but my
local indie has the album and nothing else. And when I asked the scary
heavy metal man behind the counter, he said that all the singles and EPs
and whatnot have been deleted. Is this true? How many did they have? And
who are they? And is it worth getting the album if I haven't heard some
stuff by them first? I'm sorry, I never listen to the radio you see, since
Mark Radcliffe went daytime, and I don't hear new bands until they're old
bands. Help me?!

thats all
love from molly
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From promqueen at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 07:45:25 1999
From: promqueen at xxx.com (promqueen at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 99 07:45:25 +0000
Subject: Sinister: my country 'tis of thee sweet land of rape and honey
Message-ID: <199901270745.CAA19881@gold1.digiweb.com>


<<    I have to interject here and say that I'm quite tired of "there are no
good bands in America" thing. >>

i agree whole heartedly (well maybe not with the beastie boys part... yecccch!) because i am so very sleepy eyed and have a french exam demain, i am going to be brief and to the point... (how do you like dem apples angry listees?"

great american bands according to lisa...

modest mouse, built to spill, bedhead, archers of loaf, the dead kenedeys, jets to brazil, social distortion, liz phair, cat power, elliot smith, the apples in stereo!, TOM WAITS!!!!, leonard cohen (who is not dead but living as a monk on mount baldy in california), beck, johnathan richman and the jesus and mary chain... (ok you caught me. jim and willy aren't americans.  i just desperately want to take credit for that one)

and that's just off the tip top of my head. i probablly forgot a million others.  ahhh.  ready for bed now that i have expounded my 
opinionated soul onto the virtual community we call.. uh, eachother.  

and with that, g'nite.

prophetess of nothing
lisa.

<<insert west side story's "america" here>>


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From johnj at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 11:26:57 1999
From: johnj at xxx.com (John Johnston)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:26:57 -0000
Subject: Sinister: The Black Prince
Message-ID: <B187481CB498D111BDF200C0F017CB92197C4F@mailgate.digitalpeople.com>


Son of Edward III and Phillipa of Hainault - I could never remember
where he fitted in.

Well one of you came forward to help me out with my desire to find a new
word or a phrase from another language to describe my joy when overdue
buses or public transport arrive. Thank you very much Oon! She gave me
two Thai phrases my favourite being:

 "Long Og"  - "long" is like relieve. "og" is your chest.
like when you have runny nose and you blow your nose, same feeling.

Nothing else I have found even approaches that metaphor for describing
the feeling. The best I could do was "Spontaneous Omnibustion".

I'm reading a book about the Wars of the Roses at the moment. It says
that in the middle ages it was the custom in England to greet people
with a kiss on the lips and foreign visitors  were amazed at it all. I'd
love to know at which point a firm handshake and awkward mumbled
pleasantry took over - probably about the time of the Plague! it also
talks about Isabella, wife of Henry II - known as the "She wolf of
France" - it immeadiately made me think of our own Genevieve - She-Wolf
of the Gatineau.

In my quest for new exclamations and swearwords I'm thinking of taking
an (illuminated vellum) leaf out of Henry VI's book - the most he would
ever say was "For Shame!" although he was sometimes known to exclaim "St
James!"

xx
John
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From shop at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 27 12:12:10 1999
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:12:10 +0000
Subject: Sinister: hello
References: <001b01be4970$4ee444a0$3b6785ce@the-wonder-box>
Message-ID: <36AF029A.176F6148@jeepster.co.uk>


> John Mahoney wrote:
> 
> i find myself going to the jeepster website constantly because of the lack of
> other B&S sites. not to offend anyone who has a site about the band, I probably
> havent found them. anyone know any good ones? I would love it if there was one
> with the coolness of the radiohead (gasp!) planet telex site,
> (underworld.net/radiohead)

there is a lot of other sites, just check out the links section of the jeepster
website.

several of us are always encouraging other people to start sites, but we're really
aware of the way other bands have gone on the net.

there is little point having 200 sites if they all nick the info from one or two
big sites, this just makes it impossible for new people to find those good sites.

so what i'm getting at is, we want there to be more sites, but please, if you work
on one or are considering creating one, make sure you can offer something new, a
unique perspective or something. i for one will not be amused at anyone copying
all the stuff on my site, and i know a few other people that have invested a lot
of time and passion who wouldn't be too amused either.

cheers

david

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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 27 12:15:35 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:15:35 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Barquito de papel
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Hello!

My subject just simply means 'Paper Boat' in Spanish,that's the
explanation for novices (in Spanish,obviously). Joan Manuel Serrat, the
Catalan singer who wrote La la la, the song which won Eurovision Contest
being sung by Massiel, the lass in the yeye ,white thing, and who was
banned from it because he wanted to sing it in Catalan,...etc, also has a
song titled 'Barquito de Papel' , a sort of lovely,melancholic chronicle
about losing and missing childhood.

When I first listened to 'Paper Boat' , I thought it was a cover of some
60's or 70's song, maybe because that naive,folky and optimistic tune it
has.But I am sure it is strangely taking after some old song. Can anyone
suggest me something? I am so bad at that,recognizing melodies and giving
the proper name to them, as I noticed yesterday watching 'University
Challenge'...

I am already 25 , dear Mark. And I have no wrinkles, no white hair and no
cellulite so far. (crossing my fingers) But yes, I think 21,22,23...they
are one of the best possible ages in life (the other best period being
between 8 and 11, in my own existence!)

Love you all *

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From Keytapes at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 12:26:02 1999
From: Keytapes at xxx.com (Keytapes at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:26:02 EST
Subject: Sinister: re: new Keyhole release (promo)
Message-ID: <1206c6c5.36af05da@aol.com>


Hello, all.  The next Keyhole cd, "Songs From An Attic", a 3 band/3 songs each
compilation will be out shortly (release date: March 3rd).  Why does this
matter to you, B&S listees?   1) Migala, the lead-off band, toured Spain with
Will Oldham and also was his back-up group.  As well, Stuart David from Belle
& Sebastian/Looper (as if you didn't know) has given much praise to Migala.
2) Greg Weeks, also on the cd, definitely fits into the "light Nick Drake-
esque voice" category.  3) Tinsel, the third act, has a vibe and lyrics that
most B&S fans should appreciate.  4) Dame Darcy (Meatcake, Rollerderby, etc)
did the cover art.  Email privately for more info.  Thanks for the soapbox.
-------Michael (Keyhole Records)
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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 27 12:44:22 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:44:22 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Alix and SWP
Message-ID: <116DF9642B30D1119D530000F800DC3702333689@exchs3.lse.ac.uk>


I could talk all day about politics, but I won't. Only I consider the SWP to
simplistic and negative. I know something needs to be done to give this
country a kick up the arse, but that's not going to happen if we sit on our
own arses and shout about it, is it? Give benefits back to students, make
them feel a part of a civic society, but if we starve unis of funds, we may
come out with healthy bank balances but we're hardly going to be better off
for it, are we? How about grants and tuition fees.... Anyway, I'm in the
Labour Party, we get to go to policy fora and talk about these issues and
pass the results on to conference, which is not so much shouting as talking
civilly to the leaders. I'm a callous class traitor, but I want to see real
progress like anyone else.

Louise l.stanley at lse.ac.uk

PS Sign me up for the tape tree, so's I can get back into the scene.
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From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 27 14:03:20 1999
From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:03:20 GMT0BST
Subject: Sinister: hell-fire barbecue
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Message-ID: <E105VZ8-0004Ok-00@nottingham.ac.uk>


	I've always fancied being a "hell-fire preacher" myself. I'd press a 
fiver into the hand of Bonkers Barney, and send him off to have a 
cup of coffee and a bun. Then I'd stand on a bench and preach fire 
and brimstone to everyone until he came back, or I got lynched or 
struck down or whatever. It could be fun. Imagine if Mr Benn had 
walked into the costume shop and picked up a bible and a funny hat. 
It would be like that.
	Anyway, back to something relevant. Usually B&S have played their 
new songs on radio sessions, so wouldn't the forthcoming Peel session 
be our best chance to hear songs off the new album? I wonder if 
anyone knows what they're going to play?

BBBye

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From his8jm at xxx.UK  Wed Jan 27 11:47:32 1999
From: his8jm at xxx.UK (J. MURTAGH)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:47:32 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V3 #30
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Date:          Wed, 27 Jan 1999 03:25:14 GMT
From:          owner-sinister-digest at xxx.net (sinister-digest)
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Subject:       sinister-digest V3 #30
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now playing-Blind Gary Davis, Harlem Street Singer

exactly
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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 27 15:03:43 1999
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:03:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: The world is just a great big onion
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If you don't like long messages, you can always delete them without
reading them...

Now, in a shock break with tradition, I'm actually going to talk about
B&S. Last I heard (although this may well be out of date by now), after
the 4-track PYJAMAS EP was ineligible for the charts they were going to
follow it with a 2-track single, probably Lord Anthony and Paper Boat
(whoever was asking about this song, it's by Stuart David. And I've yet to
talk to anyone who likes it as much as the rest of the material...). And
then the album after that. But given that the release of TWATTYBUS was put
back by about 8 months, I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you. There
was also talk a while ago about Tigermilk having a different cover when it
gets rereleased, anyone know if that's still the case?

Personally I'm just hoping the album comes out before October, because for
the rest of the year I'll be away on an expedition in Chilean Patagonia.
And I can't really see B&S doing a gig to promote the album halfway up a
mountain in the Andes.


Friday 22 Jan:
Dear diary, had a great evening at the Poetry Cafe. I did enjoy seeing
such a wonderful band play whilst literally sitting at the singer's feet.
I was close enough to have been able to count the fillings in his teeth,
should I have so desired. And I met such a lot of lovely people. (btw
anyone I said I'd do a tape for, get in touch, my memory's going. Must be
old age, I'll be another year older on Friday, the grey hairs can't be far
away now. Before long I'll be as bald as Mark...)

Saturday 23 Jan:
Arrived in Sheffield Students' Union bar at 4.15 and started drinking.
Stopped drinking at 4am Sunday, when the vodka ran out. What I can
remember of the night was superb :-)

Sunday 24 Jan:
Still in Sheffield drinking. Realise at 4pm that I've got to get back to
Cambridge within 4 1/2 hours for a match. Make it with 15 minutes to
spare.

Monday 25 Jan:
Stay in bed. I think my liver is about to explode.

Tuesday 26 Jan:
Stuff the liver. Go out and get drunk again. It's great being a student
sometimes. I just wish I could afford all these nights out...


Oh, and with all this being away and stuff I haven't written to a couple
of people I should have done, I will get round to it I promise!

Big Stu


Underwear: Damn, I knew I forgot to do something this morning...

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From ar981611 at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 27 15:19:06 1999
From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:19:06 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Seeing other people (and their taste in music)
Message-ID: <36AF2E6A.BB55D10C@student.paisley.ac.uk>


Whilst being bored and trying not to study for my Business Information
Technology Systems exam, I was perusing stuff around the B&S areas of
the web and found out that someone had voted for me on the list crush
thing. 

I now like the idea of list crushes.  So whoever you are (and I think I
know, but I could be sadly wrong, as I usually am), thank you.  You have
put a smile on the face of an unhappy bunny.  I have many exams, and my
real-life non-list crush has begun ignoring me. And I can't go to Evie
Sands as I forgot that I promised my parents I would visit them straight
after my exams.  

Anyway, my point .....

 Robert Morris wrote: 
   I have to interject here and say that I'm quite tired of "there are
no
good bands in America" thing. Select magazine has a piece this month
something to the effect of "...Only in America" that lists all the
absolute
worst that the American music industry has to offer. It lists the
Matchbox,
Third Eye, Sugar Ray, Jewel, Cherry Poppin', Blues Traveller, Dave
MAtthews, etc. Each and every one of these bands , is of course, crap.
Where are the mentions of the Beastie Boys, Beck, Pavement, Yo La Tengo,
Wilco,REM, Victoria Williams etc... And if they are going to list all of
these American phenomenons shouldn't All Saints, Robbie Williams, Gomez,
Travis, Embrace, Catatonia et al get mentions as  examples of "only in
England crap."

Right, the thing I liked about John Mahoney's post (presumably not the
John Mahoney who plays Martin Crane in Frasier then) was the quote about
not slagging off other peoples taste in music.  Which he then proceeded
to spoil by doing just that.  Then Robert cut in to give his opinion. 
Which I don't agree with.  I think the Beasties are the most over-rated
band on the face of the earth.  I think he should have mentioned
American Music Club and Red House Painters in the list of best things to
come out of America.  Do you see my point?  IT'S ALL A MATTER OF
TASTE!!! YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE OTHERS' TASTE IN MUSIC JUST BECAUSE IT
ISN'T THE SAME AS YOURS!!! Oh, and England can't be blamed for Catatonia
and Travis as they are Welsh and Scottish.  And I'd rather listen to
Robbie Williams than the Beasties anyday.  But that's just me.

And anyway Robert, I don't think John was saying that all American
artists are crap, as shortly after this point he was listing fave
records as being by Money Mark and REM.

So can we stop being all "oh, I'm so superior because I like Sebadoh and
think Steps are the Anti-Christs, and therefore I really understand good
music and can slag others off" or whatever, and get back to being fluffy
again please. I've noticed a few others doing it too, and it angers me,
as I like a wide range of music from My Bloody Valentine to Take That
and don't want to be derided by someone having a cheap shot at
shoegazers or pop kids.  We all like Belle & Sebastian, so there is a
common ground, but where we go from there is up to ourselves.  Don't
ever turn into Manics fans - you all know what I mean, thinking that
other people aren;t qualified to like Belle & Sebastian as they like
music you don't therefore can't understand B&S with the same passion you
do.

This, of course, will probably never happen.  But I can see the signs. 
And I don't want it to happen.  That's all. You can come back now.

Ailsa xx
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From sensitive_stan at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 15:22:10 1999
From: sensitive_stan at xxx.com (Sensitive Stan)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:22:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: hello be nice to me
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It's raining today.  Just thought you'd all like to know that.  I
didn't go out last night, I stayed at home and played games on my
computer.  Shall I tell you what level I've got to?  Perhaps someone
out there can help me to get past the pit with the spikes.  I can't
remember what pants I'm wearing, I put them on after my bath last
thursday.  Sometimes I wish I wasn't so sensitive, did I tell you how
sensitive I am?  I wish girls liked me.  Perhaps then I could have a
girlfriend.  Will any of you be my girlfriend?  What about Lesley Jo? 
No, she likes girls.  FluffySarah?  No, she has already got a
boyfriend.  It's not fair.  I bet he's not as sensitive as me.  I only
buy vinyl you know.  Does anyone want to trade tapes of rare singles
or concerts recorded from the radio?  I'm going to go out to a pub
tonight with my friends, but I won't enjoy it.  My friends will all
tease me because I'm so sensitive.  I hope I don't meet any girls. 
They make me stutter.  Has anyone read any books?  I love books, and
films.  Especially French films, I really connect with those because I
am so sensitive.  I went to the post office yesterday to buy some
stamps.  There was a pretty girl behind one of the counters, she had a
nice smile, so I joined a different queue.  I was there to buy some
stamps.  Does anyone else buy stamps?  I hate licking the back of
stamps, they taste horrible.  Is anyone else in England?  Perhaps we
could all meet up.  Why don't you e-mail me if you are in England. 
But only if you are as sensitive as I am.  And not a girl.  What's
this Tigermilk record that everyone keeps going on about?  I really
like Belle and Sebastian, the singer sounds really sensitive like me. 
Which one is the singer, is it Sebastian?  I bet it is, it's a really
sensitive name.  I really like Tori Amos too, I wish I was as
sensitive as her.  Did I mention that it's raining?  Stan





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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Wed Jan 27 16:56:58 1999
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:56:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Too Busy Thinkin' 'Bout My Rodcam...
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....and I ain't got time for nuthin' else.

Except sorting out a great Sinister Mystery, as is my wont from time
to time.

REPENT!

The other day, Monday to be exact, I wished Paul a very happy Saint
Paul's Day, and all hell broke loose becasue Saint Paul's Day is in
July. I am ashamed to say I was wrong.
Monday was not Saint Paul's Day, it was Saint Paul's Conversion Day,
which I believe happened on the Damascus ring-road, or was that Saul?
Frankly my dear, the important thing is this -
Paul was stuffing his "cakehole" with cake when technically he should
have been celebrating Saint Paul's Conversion Day by stuffing his
"bumhole" down the British Protection in the company of list legend
Hugh! Paul,
you'll have to "rectify" your mistake somehow.

RODPENT!

Please remember that the Roddcam is run on BORROWED resources, so if
too many of you spend too much time ogling at his melancholy keyboard
technique, it might explode. The Rodddcam is very special, and a
little bit delicate, so treat it with care.

RODHOBBY!

I've been thinking about Keith's Konundrum, and I've decided that the
following people would be shouting "LONG OG!" after a victorious game
of "garnished biscuit":

Judging by what I've read, you'd have to go a long way to beat Little
Richard. Roland Gift would be rubbish, but the bloke with the bendy
legs would keep the Fine Young Cannibals flag flying. All trombone
players would be a safe bet, as would Rimsky Korsikov, who wrote "The
Flight of the Bumble Bee" and invented the helicopter. Noddy Holder
would surely be successful on the strength of
will power and grimacing alone.

On the losing side would be former Sheffield steel worker Joe Cocker,
the guys from Kraftwerk, Robert Wyatt, Bez from the Happy Mondays, and
(on purpose) Marc Almond, formerly of Soft Cell.

POP RODSURRECTION!

I still don't believe this Evie Sands business. I woke up this morning
convinced I'd been dreaming, but then who would have such a freaky
dream? People from all over the world, well, Glasgow, Edinburgh and
Balfour, converging on Hyndland Church Hall to hear one of the
greatest singers in the history of the world*, who's probably spent
the
last thirty-five years sitting on her front porch smelling of cat
widdle. Amazing! I hope someone's going to interview her properly.
Tag, you're a vastly experienced journalist, you do it. I'd like that.

Peter


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From arienti at xxx.it  Wed Jan 27 17:16:53 1999
From: arienti at xxx.it (Marco Arienti)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:16:53 +0100
Subject: Sinister: intro: ciao a tutti
Message-ID: <36AF4A04.DEA9FE6B@nevib.it>


ciao a tutti
hello everybody sinister-people
I'm Marco from Tuscany, Italy
I'm new to this list, I found it searching for B&S
on the net, so here I am
of course I like the band, it reminds me at some
of my fav artists as N.Drake, T.Buckley or
(sometimes) R.Wyatt, anyone agree?
I'm writing because I looking for some new stuff
by B&S, I own just the last two albums
is there someone interested i tapes trade?
as I said I can't give you back any rarities
but I've got a large collection of records
(from jazz to rock to everywhere)
maybe you're looking for some of these
thank you for the moment
hope to hear from you soon
grazie e ciao di nuovo
Marco





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From arienti at xxx.it  Wed Jan 27 17:22:04 1999
From: arienti at xxx.it (Marco Arienti)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:22:04 +0100
Subject: Sinister: intro: ciao a tutti!
Message-ID: <36AF4B3C.3EB14B61@nevib.it>


ciao a tutti
hello everybody sinister-people
I'm Marco from Tuscany, Italy
I'm new to this list, I found it searching for B&S
on the net, so here I am
of course I like the band, it reminds me at some
of my fav artists as N.Drake, T.Buckley or
(sometimes) R.Wyatt, anyone agree?
I'm writing because I looking for some new stuff
by B&S, I own just the last two albums
is there someone interested i tapes trade?
as I said I can't give you back any rarities
but I've got a large collection of records
(from jazz to rock to everywhere)
maybe you're looking for some of these
thank you for the moment
hope to hear from you soon
grazie e ciao di nuovo
Marco




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From carllafong at xxx.net  Wed Jan 27 17:56:22 1999
From: carllafong at xxx.net (John Mahoney)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:56:22 -0500
Subject: Sinister: thats not really what I meant
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Robert Morris wrote:
>I have to interject here and say that I'm quite tired of "there are no
>good bands in America" thing.

i didnt mean that at all. Im just saying that recently all of the records
I've bought have been non-american, and I really liked them.  But of course,
Beck, the Beasties, Pavement, = all great! Also, didnt you notice that 2 out
of the 4 records I listed as my current favorites were american? Money Mark?
He was the ball-boy for the LA Lakers as a kid! (and if thats not American,
i dont know what is.) And, REM, of course. Yes there's going to be crap put
out in every country, but it just seems like the crap is a whole lot more
popular and the good stuff is not as popular as it seems to be in England.


and also, the tape tree sounds like a great idea. i've done them before for
other bands, and they worked out great. And even after its all done, the
tree can be posted online somewhere with emails, and it provides a good way
for non-tree people to get a hold of the tape, too. Sign me up!!!

bye for now
John M.

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From a-and-r at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 27 17:53:34 1999
From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:53:34 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Re: Tigermilk
Message-ID: <36AF529E.A5EFDAD4@jeepster.co.uk>


hi list,

the re-issue of "tigermilk" will have exactly the same tracks as before
and will be mastered for CD and the vinyl will be remastered.  as far as
the artwork goes, i dunno, depends on what stuart decides in the morning
on his way to symington's.

so, in conclusion, available on cd + lp, 10 tracks just like before but
maybe sounding a little better.

bye bye,
Katrina.

oh ... p.s. - do you honestly think we have heard any tracks from the
sessions for the new album???  in our dreams ...

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From shop at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 27 17:58:09 1999
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:58:09 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Too Busy Thinkin' 'Bout My Rodcam...
References: <01be4a16$0dc060c0$LocalHost@itjfvkli>
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PJMiller wrote:
> 
> RODPENT!
> 
> Please remember that the Roddcam is run on BORROWED resources, so if
> too many of you spend too much time ogling at his melancholy keyboard
> technique, it might explode. The Rodddcam is very special, and a
> little bit delicate, so treat it with care.

which brings on a new idea, since the webcam requires that he's permanently
connected, we should start a petition to get Roddd to have ICQ or IRC on all the
time, this way we can send him little messages like;

"dance like stuart, go on! you know you want to"

or

"i'm a little 16 yr old girl who fancies you, please get undressed for us roddd,
we looove you"

or most likely

"you rule!"

just an idea :) 

david

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From belleandsebastian at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 12:12:49 1999
From: belleandsebastian at xxx.com (Karen David)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 99 12:12:49 UT
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk for Sale
Message-ID: <UPMAIL10.199901271313400741@classic.msn.com>


Hello All.
Just if anyone's interested, I know someone who is willing to part with a copy 
of Tigermilk. I'm sure the bottom's fallen out of this particular market, but 
if you want to make an offer, you can mail me at:
belleandsebastian at classic.msn.com

Cheers,
Neil at B&S
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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 27 17:37:33 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:37:33 -0000
Subject: Sinister: I love it when everything fits into place.
Message-ID: <199901271731.RAA23730@mailhub.solent.ac.uk>


 Hello my bouncy chums. How's life? Don't bother replying 
to that, I'm just making meaningless chit-chat. Yes, it is very rare to
see any kind of MLS parahenalia in Southampton. HMV may have 
a 7" box but theres no indie record shop in the whole region! And 
I've raided that box already. This isn't the kind of place for a fop at 
all to tell you the truth - way too many shopping centres and Ben-
sherman fitted townies... What have MLS been doing recently 
then? Have they found a new label? I saw them at Glastonbury and 
they had a really good new song called "If you can't live without 
me... (then why aren't you dead yet)" which brightened up the 
miserable friday morning.
 Oh, and Robert Moriss said:
> All Saints, Robbie Williams,
> Gomez, Travis, Embrace, Catatonia et al get mentions as  
> examples of "only in England crap."
 Hmmmmmn...... I don't want to get into a fight, but Gomez 
and Catatonia arent that bad really - hardly offensive. And travis are
alright live. Does someone else want to defend them?.. I'm not a 
big fan really. I quite like Paper Boat too. Am I indiscriminate or 
what?
 Lesley Jo (I accidentally wrote Isobel there, make of that 
what you will) whispered shamefully:
"stuart would make a cute girl i think, i''d look forward to that."
You really think so??? Links in with a very disturbing nightmare I 
had last night, way too disgusting to even think about. Too late. 
Anyway, why is it that it's fine for girls to be all coy and shy but not
for me, eh? Humph.
 http://members.tripod.com/~meltingsnow/ <-- this site is 
way too good, and  has been distracting me all day.
 Guess what I got in the post yesterday... give up? A small, 
blue 'Study At Stow" shirt. I cannot tell you how overjoyed I am at 
this wonderful news, and I'll be showing it off to my friends in the 
next few weeks. 

  love,
   james xxxxxxxxx


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From plastik at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 14:06:48 1999
From: plastik at xxx.com (dina passman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:06:48 -0500
Subject: Sinister: An Event in the U.S. Capital
Message-ID: <36AF1D78.7067@erols.com>


HELLO 99 IS HERE

12 nights...12 venues...12 special guests...

HELLO 99 PREMIERE...SUNDAY JANUARY 31!!!
pharmacy bar 2337 18th street, nw
9pm...99 cents

hosted by...

BREEDLOVE 500+ (soft rock, club pop, slo house)
and PLASTIK (contintental pop)
w/ special guest THE SUNSHINE PEOPLE'S FRONT (psych and non-psych)

*** All B+S listees in the dc area are encouraged to attend and get 
their rocks off ***

love > dina
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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 18:43:22 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:43:22 EST
Subject: Sinister: Black Sessions - Tape Tree
Message-ID: <6167f8f5.36af5e4a@aol.com>


i would also like being part of this infamous tape tree.
                 dave
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From handsomedevil73 at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 19:04:21 1999
From: handsomedevil73 at xxx.com (Ian Murphy)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:04:21 PST
Subject: Sinister: tape
Message-ID: <19990127190422.3475.qmail@hotmail.com>


i, as well.  what jygsaw dave said.

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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Wed Jan 27 21:02:35 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:02:35 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Dress Like the STars!!!
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ok ok......i shouldnt'' post this morning cos i KNOW i'll be antsy to spout
off some more as soon as i get more digests today and tomorrow....but i
could not restrain myself from this mirth.......

Sensitive Stan, you are my list crush.  if only half the boys in the rainy
rainy wee world could be as sensitive as you, maybe things would be
different for girls like me......  *sigh*  i'm sure that even sweeeet Isobel
would swoon for a lad so exceedingly well, sensitive.  Call me converted,
hallelujah i have seen the light.  I'm sitting at home alone too.  i never
go out.  I'll be your favorite friend if you want me to.  oh god.  you dont'
know how that made my day.  =D  my gut hurts.  now where is mrs murdoch?
she and Stan will be the messiahs of this embattled list, mark my words.

Riddle me this: the miraculous Tuff jess has performed yet another miracle.
i hope i dont' embarrass her by telling about it.  but in DC we saw Stuart M
and Richard wearing tshirts from Athens' WUXTRY RECORDS.  they were very
funny and had a guy in a bowler hat with a cigar.  we marveled.  it was
ironic. last night i opened a package from Tuff Jess, and pulled
out.............a WUXTRY RECORDS shirt.  just like the Stars wear!!   Now
i'm dressing in style, like Stuart Murdoch, this year's model.  can you
belive it?   only one person i know is ridiculous enough to go through all
that trouble.  *sigh*  we will rule the world.

yes yes Jessicaxo.  we ALL want a fuzzy tiger bonnet, including but not
restricted to you and I.  if anyone knows if they still make those, i'll pay
dearly for one, if only to have a ridiculous larf with it.

so is that stu david singing on paper boat??  it is seventies.  ech  i mean
they're not horrible, but......  I only like lord anthony cos it's about a
snot-nosed boy who gets beat up, and stuart sings really girly and high in
it.  i'm not hard to please.  in 10 years stu could be rewriting his 18th
version of the Lonely Librarian song, just giveing her a different twee name
each time.  and i'd buy it, and sit in my room and cry and think it was the
greatest thing.  "oh stuart, you do feel my lonely rainy pain!!"
I guess i'm just sensitive like that.  I can't help it.   now dont' ask me
for any more dates, i simply can't handle the pressures of such a wild
social life.  i'll have to beat you all off with an ugly stick.

fluffysarah, no bad feelings!  you are a master of the doggerel couplet.
teletubbies are a surrealist fantasy if ever was one.  my friend kate is
obsessed with Po.
Hello Kitty oppresses women!!!!
lesleyjo
http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange
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From RSOLSON at xxx.US  Wed Jan 27 19:44:05 1999
From: RSOLSON at xxx.US (KRISTIN OLSON)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:44:05 -0600
Subject: Sinister: sinister-digest V3 #31 -Reply
Message-ID: <s6af1680.064@SMSD.K12.KS.US>



Julie says:

"P.S. While you're waiting for it to come out, you could always rent
Wes Anderson's other movie Bottle Rocket at your local video store."

Bottle Rocket is one of my favorite movies--I didn't realize Rushmore was a Wes Anderson film too.  Speaking of W. A. movie soundtracks, does anybody know if a soundtrack exists for Bottle Rocket?  The movie had some great Arthur Lee songs, I'd like to hear the whole thing if it exists.  


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From radioheadsuck at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 20:08:18 1999
From: radioheadsuck at xxx.com (Seamus Harte)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:08:18 GMT
Subject: Sinister: on the wonk
Message-ID: <19990127200820.5798.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello lovely list.
   sorry for that mess i made with the send button the other day, 
    lets never speak of it again.

 this will be short , as i have to go watch tottenham-wimbledon again.
  
   do any of yous remember a song (i think it was called caroline, i 
thought it was by snuff , it used to be played on the evening session 
all the time ,) i have checked websites and enough record shops but it 
seems i have have come up with this song myself , hey i might even 
release it .

  whats will oldham like i have a chance to see him under the guise of 
bonnie prince billie , (god another artist beginning with b , i reckon 
that i could survive for a good while listening only to music beginning 
with b)

 oh, and its not that i think radiohead are particularly bad , its just 
that everyone here in ireland seemed to think that they were like gods 
gift to compact discs,

 i dont like to boast in any way , but just to be informative,( god 
hardly any of my new friends in college know this, but, hey it never 
came i didnt make a secret of it either though)
  I was there july12th in the stade de france in  paris at the world cup 
final ( most surreal experience of my life partly because i was more 
concernede for brazil's fortune than half of the french were for 
france's)
it was (believe or not) an anti-climax after the truimpant craotians the 
nigth before

 how did i get tickets? you see my brother is one of the kind people at 
uefa.com

I dont particularly love travis its just that the singer has the 
greatest voice 
 and i love all i wanna do is rock

 oh and people listing good american bands 
  i would like to include Jonathan Fire Eater 
 you have to like the name if nothing else

and someone mentioned  iancollins being on at 12
 well its at 1 just in case someone caught that prat that bes on before 
him

and a great phrase from that said show:
   'on the wonk' meaning crazy or not functioning correctly
     eg that printer's on the wonk

 anyway have to go now

PS does anyone else spent all wednesday morning singing dog's got a bone 
by the beta band just because it has that wednesday morning line in it




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From swanarama at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 21:08:19 1999
From: swanarama at xxx.com (Amanda Bergman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:08:19 PST
Subject: Sinister: b&s web sites/Red Roses for Me Fanzine
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A bit of gratuitous self-promotion:

the lovely Steve and I (well, mostly Steve) have a web site (Red Roses 
For Me Fanzine) that contains some B&S words/pics, as well as pages 
devoted to other creative endeavors (books/film). the URL is:

http://surf.to/redroses

among the content:

*new* Mercury Rev Live review
*new* review of Hal Hartley's _Henry Fool_
the Lucksmiths
Black Box Recorder
Pernice Brothers
the Griffin & Sabine trilogy

...AND MORE.

see you there,
Amanda x x

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From vicky.parkinson at xxx.net  Wed Jan 27 21:02:35 1999
From: vicky.parkinson at xxx.net (Vic)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:02:35 -0000
Subject: Sinister: colour cds just aren't the same as coloured vinyl
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Weird feeling being back in the boosom of the list after almost 4 months of
exile. Having email at home is strange, after a long hard day at work, all
energy goes into reading emails, so there's none left by the time you get
round to writing them. And it's a bit horrible not having email at work,
less opportunities for skiving, which means having to do more work, and
therefore feeling even more exhausted after battling with the crowds on the
Victoria line and outside Brixton station. God what a hard life I lead, not.

Has anyone heard of Silverchair? (I think that's what they're called, Ozzie
band) My colleague has been desperately trying to get someone to go to their
gig in London next month, and I'd go without listening to them, only I don't
feel that well off, as it isn't particularly cheap, and her taste in music
is a little 'different' from mine, so any opinions would be much
appreciated.

However, I had such good fun with her last night in Walkabout (Ozzie bar)
last night for Australia day that I might just go for the laugh. Although
the all day hangover wasn't too fantastic, and the fact that I did the
pissed thing of going round to the boyfriends to talk crap for 5 mins and
then fall asleep, only to wake him up in the middle of the night and talk
even more crap for 50 mins keeping him awake, and insisting on leaving the
light on all night, generally pissing him off (probably), sorry Mark! Lots
of gorgeous blokes, any single women in London should get themselves down to
an Australian bar pronto, although I've been informed that most are rather
chauvinistic.

One of the worst things about getting older is the hangovers and inability
to party hard without feeling a thing. Those were the days.....

Does anyone know if Tigermilk is being re-released on vinyl? I'm fretting
cos I'm so anal I have to have all the recordings of a band on the same
format. Although it is becoming increasingly hard to do. But it would look a
lot nicer on the shelf, and the b&S records are almost taking up as much
room as the entire Beatles albums, cos the sleeves are nice and thick, which
is nice.

oh dear

Hefner (of Halfner as the talented bastard wittily pointed out) were
fantastic on Friday, I'm going to have to take my Virgin vouchers in
tomorrow, and see how much of their back catalogue I can exchange them for,
and see if Aphex Twin's Ambient works vol. 1 thingie is being offered at a
reasonable price.

Nearly finished, just want to ask about the tape tree, and whether we could
possibly try and resuscitate it, or failing that, get our tapes back, cos I
didn't make a copy of mine (fool!) Poor Kevan, it was a wonderful idea,  he
put so much work into it (probably) and we failed him. We should be hanging
our heads in shame.

Right, byee,

Vicky




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From rehakk at xxx.edu  Wed Jan 27 21:16:30 1999
From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:16:30 -0500
Subject: Sinister: jonathan fire*eater
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kudos to seamus for saying:
oh and people listing good american bands 
  i would like to include Jonathan Fire Eater 
you have to like the name if nothing else


as i stare at the jonathan fire*eater poster hanging on my wall (die Wand) and clap my hands in appreciation of what has just been said, i respond.  jonathan fire*eater is quite fab.  or were quite fab, :(  i think that i would have to consider their live show the best that i've ever seen or been to.  honest!  the show was composed of a total contrast. the boys with the guitars just stood all dazed and hazy and paul on the organ acted all sinister and stared off at i don't know what.  and then there was matt [drums] who i feared would break his back before he became twenty-six since he never stopped moving up and down and then there was stewart who literally raped the microphone.  for all of the listees who liked monkeys so much, stewart lipton imitates one in i think "public hanging of a movie star"  ahh...i'm just revelling in that great show...well, that's all from me.

byebye
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From Jamenonda1 at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 21:16:18 1999
From: Jamenonda1 at xxx.com (Jamenonda1 at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:16:18 EST
Subject: Sinister: silverchair opinions
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Vic wrote:
<Has anyone heard of Silverchair? (I think that's what they're called, Ozzie
band) My colleague has been desperately trying to get someone to go to their
gig in London next month, and I'd go without listening to them, only I don't
feel that well off, as it isn't particularly cheap, and her taste in music
is a little 'different' from mine, so any opinions would be much
appreciated.>

I didn't know that band still existed!  They may sound a bit different these
days (though I doubt it) but 4 years ago they were three 16 year olds
pretending to be Nirvana/Pearl Jam/every Seattle band a la 1992.

-Derrick
 
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From hamibe02 at xxx.edu  Wed Jan 27 21:30:18 1999
From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E. Hamilton)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:30:18 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Bottle Rocket
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All--

I must agree with Julie on this one 'ere.  Bottle Rocket is one of my
favorites movies, because it is orginal, dry, sarcastic, and very very
witty.  If you are ever in the mood for some smart humor, go rent it.  If
you don't agree, you can flog me with bamboo slits.

I can't wait to see Rushmore, on a related note.  If I recall correctly the
soundtrack is a bunch of 60s British Invasion tunes.  My lads the Who are on
there, if I do recall.  Great chaps, that Wes Anderson and Owen Wilson.

B&S note--I must agree that "Chickfactor", "Seymour Stein" and "Is it Wicked
Not to Care", disrupt the *flow* of TIGGERJAMMIESONFIREACRONYMSAREBLEH.  I'm
not saying that they are bad songs, for I enjoy them a lot, but how about
sticking them on an EP or something?  For lots of other bands, putting
tracks with different vocalists may work, but for our lads, it doesn't work
like it should.  I haven't heard Tigermilk AT ALL yet, but I agree that
there is a great feeling of continuam on IFYFS.  Comments, suggestions, well
I don't wanna hear em! :)

Love to you all,
blake
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"We try harder and harder, tryin' to get our way,  but it's a long, long
wait until Judgement Day.  So settle your affairs and take your time,
for everything in the world is yours and mine.  Yours and mine."
--Pete Townshend, '68

"I'm looking back and I can't see the past anymore, so hazy.
I'm on a track and I'm travelling so fast, oh for sure I'm crazy.
I will be immersed, queen of the fucking universe, and i don't
know what i have anymore, anymore than you do."
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From editor at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 27 21:09:37 1999
From: editor at xxx.uk (duke of harringay)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:09:37 +0000
Subject: Sinister: with gay abandon
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Fluffy Sarah wrote:
> Robin - the duke DOES live in Exeter 

indeed he does. i do. or something. if indeed 'live' is the correct
term. 'survive' feels more apt at the moment, but that's none of your
interest, nor business quite frankly.

i can't recall the last time i posted to the list... i have to admit to
being one of those oiks who scrolls through the glut of mails every day
hitting the 'delete' button with gay abandon. I had a confrontation with
a girl in school today about sexuality... anyone who says 'the kids' are
ace free-thinkers willing to embrace the world in all its mutiplicity is
a twat. that's the TRUTH. really, honestly, truthfully and that...

i have yet to check the Rodcam but do find the thought of it very
arousing. but not as arousing as the thought of Tag tossing underwear at
the pocafe... as if anything could be. oh to be a country-tripping
socialite... oh to be anything but what i am. sigh. someone from Mo-Jo
magazine called me today but i wasn't on the end of the phone when he
called. the duchess told him i was listening to Bob Dylan recordings,
and the funniest part is that she was right. okay so it's not funny at
all, but bear with me please. it's been a long life.

i started writing a new bit of my so-called 'novel' (that's no laughing
matter either) yesterday. it is in the vein of lo-fi sci-fi bollocks
wherein my character jets back in time to 1983, cycles along the coast
road from Troon to Girvan and back again. along the way he drops in at
Culzean castle, laughs at the thought of american popsters caling
themselves 'the ailsa craig', and takes time out to sneak through a gap
in the fence down by the Ayr Butlins holiday camp. There he meets a
young red-coat by the name of Struan, to whom he divulges magnificent
secrets about Pop in the fin de millennium. As they part company our
hero whispers one word to Struan. That word is Felt. possibly.

speaking of lo-fi sci-fi, i kind of like the new Bis single. i am kind
of sad to say that because i hate too much about Bis, and i think the
content of the song sucks. it's a fine tune though... But i ask you,
glorifying the likes of bananarama and that horrid, HORRID 1980's bland
worship of empty facade under the mistake that it was 'personality'.
Sigh. history is wasted on time, wit wasted on the young.

i am trembling at the thought of the Evie SAnds show, even though i will
be stuck in Devon doing something a lot less exciting. think of me
fondly as you swoon.

i see that the NME are hijacking channel 4 (or is it the other way
round?) soon to tell us their dreary thoughts about 1998. as if we can't
guess what they're going to say, how they're going to say it, and how
many times we're going to howl in derision at their attempts at pithy
commentary. Better by far to drop by the lovely new Tangents site and
hear what I thought of 1998 :-) even though the twattybus record only
made it to sixth place in my fluid list. sorry kids... i'm obviously
just not hip enough.

sorry to have bored you all so, i'm off back to my Dylan CDs.

keep the faith,

the duke

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From scharbo at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 22:52:38 1999
From: scharbo at xxx.com (Stephane Charbonneau)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:52:38 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk in FRance
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From scharbo at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 23:00:13 1999
From: scharbo at xxx.com (Stephane Charbonneau)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:00:13 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk in France
Message-ID: <917473396007445@Caramail.com>

Hello everybody,

I am a new member (from france) of the sinister list regouping so many fans of B&S.
Well in France is quite difficult to find information about this marvellous group.
Nevermind, when you like it !!!!
I 've read that they are going to broadcast their first album Tigermilk. I hope so 
because I've heard so many compliments about this album and it's quite along time that I 
am waiting to hear these album
Does anyone knows if I can already heard these songs on Internet ?
Thanks for all

Tchao
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From reid.dossinger at xxx.com  Wed Jan 27 22:02:48 1999
From: reid.dossinger at xxx.com (Reid Dossinger)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:02:48 -0500
Subject: Sinister: You'll leave two fingers in the air
Message-ID: <36AF8D05.554B0ADF@bigfoot.com>


> Just if anyone's interested, I know someone who is willing to part with a copy
> of Tigermilk.
>
I bet it's Richard who has to sell his copy because "old man Murdoch
won't give us a raise".  Just a guess.  And one of these days, I'm going
to go to the archives and see if Karen David has actually ever sent
anything in from the Belle and Sebastian address.  I mean, it does have
her name on it...

> so is that stu david singing on paper boat??  it is seventies.  ech  i mean
> they're not horrible, but......  I only like lord anthony cos it's about a
> snot-nosed boy who gets beat up
>
I didn't mind Paper Boat.  It's just a silly pop song, but I'd love to
see it played live again, just to see Stuart playing the trumpet again.

"Lord Anthony", I'll fight to the death over.  I don't think Stuart's
written many more gorgeous moments than the bit when he sings "When will
you realize it doesn't pay to be smarter than teachers, smarter than
most boys".  And the "You'll soon be old enough..." bit sounds like a
combination between Queen and a missing James Bond theme.  But that's
the way it strikes me.  I can't wait until it's given a proper
recording.  Even if Mick hates it with "the passion of a thousand
suns".  Okay, so maybe he didn't say that, but it was pretty well
implied :)

So no one's stirring on the three-track single issue.  I'm very
impressed with how calmly some people have taken this news.  Not a peep
of "Oh, so they're going for the charts now, huh?!  So maybe I'll start
a fight by bringing it up.  I wonder what I'd say...

~Reid

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From shop at xxx.uk  Wed Jan 27 21:57:51 1999
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:57:51 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk in France
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Message-ID: <36AF8BDF.6C1656CD@jeepster.co.uk>


Stephane Charbonneau wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I am a new member (from france) of the sinister list regouping so many fans of B&S.
> Well in France is quite difficult to find information about this marvellous group.
> Nevermind, when you like it !!!!
> I 've read that they are going to broadcast their first album Tigermilk. I hope so
> because I've heard so many compliments about this album and it's quite along time that I
> am waiting to hear these album
> Does anyone knows if I can already heard these songs on Internet ?
> Thanks for all

very soon the entire album will be placed on the jeepster web site so that you can
all hear bits of each song.

this will be in our now regulation 'liquid audio' format, so if you haven't got
the play yet (?) you should go download it now.

cheers 

david

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From r-jenkins at xxx.edu  Wed Jan 27 22:15:50 1999
From: r-jenkins at xxx.edu (Ro)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:15:50 -0600
Subject: No subject
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hi everyone...

i am a new list member from texas, but i'm currently at university in
chicago.  i'm also a new fan of belle and sebastian (i had heard OF them,
but not really listened to them until my boyfriend brought a copy of "boy
with the arab strap" home from his radio show for me to hear.  glad to be
here!

thanks,

ro
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From kwl96 at xxx.edu  Wed Jan 27 22:36:02 1999
From: kwl96 at xxx.edu (azriel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:36:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: sinister-digest V3 #31 -Reply
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On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, KRISTIN OLSON wrote:> 
> Bottle Rocket is one of my favorite movies--I didn't realize Rushmore was a Wes Anderson film too.  Speaking of W. A. movie soundtracks, does anybody know if a soundtrack exists for Bottle Rocket?  The movie had some great Arthur Lee songs, I'd like to hear the whole thing if it exists.  
> 
> 
> Kirstin
>

wes anderson graduated from my college. (hampshire college, that is.)
i can't wait to see rushmore, btw.

-kerry

http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~kwl96

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From dkemp at xxx.net  Wed Jan 27 22:37:54 1999
From: dkemp at xxx.net (The Kemps)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:37:54 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Too Busy Thinkin' 'Bout My Rodcam...
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PJMiller wrote:
> 
> RODPENT!
> 
> Please remember that the Roddcam is run on BORROWED resources, so if
> too many of you spend too much time ogling at his melancholy keyboard
> technique, it might explode. The Rodddcam is very special, and a
> little bit delicate, so treat it with care.

I just wanted to add to the "Rod" thread that since the Rrrrrrodddddcam is
at his flat, in his flatmate's room, he's not going to be on it all the
time because he'll be working.  I know some of you will be absolutely
distraught at the thought of not being able to ogle our dear Rod 24 hrs a
day, but such is life.  I've had 2 sightings so far...rodalicious!

david kitchen wrote:

>which brings on a new idea, since the webcam requires that he's permanently
>connected, we should start a petition to get Roddd to have ICQ or IRC on
all the
>time, this way we can send him little messages like;
>
>"dance like stuart, go on! you know you want to"
>
>or
>
>"i'm a little 16 yr old girl who fancies you, please get undressed for us
roddd,
>we looove you"
>
>or most likely
>
>"you rule!"
>
>just an idea :) 

an excellent idea david!  we'd have to wait until he returned home from
work tho, so we could put this rodsome plan into effect.  we'll be waiting
for our orders, captain kitchen! ;)

heatha :)

np: ravel's bolero

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From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:40:48 +0000
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From cockbiter at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 04:27:39 1999
From: cockbiter at xxx.com (brad whiddon)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:27:39 EST
Subject: Sinister: somewhat of a joke
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someone forwarded me this joke. i won't give any names in order to 
protect their social standing.

-brad


>>> Q: How many Belle and Sebastian fans does it take to change a
>>> lightbulb?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A: Just one -- a young boy with an old mind and middle-aged 
>>> corduroy trousers. He thought about the lightbulb for a while and 
>>> decided that if it were him he wouldn't want to be changed, so he 
>>> didn't. Instead he got on a bus and let it drive him around while 
>>> he thought of song lyrics with no words. Except "boy." And "girl." 
>>> Later, as he sat in a cafe with just a cup of coffee and a 
>>> daydream, he thought about the lightbulb once again. Perhaps
>>> it did want to be changed. If he thought it would answer him, he 
>>> would ask it but it wouldn't. So he didn't. On a whim he asked a 
>>> girl he knew in a cafe what she thought he should do. She looked 
>>> up from writing a poem that would never be finished and told him. 
>>> They went to change the lightbulb together. It felt like a dream 
>>> but he was pretty sure it wasn't...
>>> 

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From smfisher at xxx.edu  Thu Jan 28 04:35:59 1999
From: smfisher at xxx.edu (Stephanie)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:35:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: life is never dull in your dreams
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.990127232449.58744A-100000@archa13.cc.uga.edu>


I'd like to say that I agree with people about Silverchair. Unless they've
changed and/or are a different band they are NOT cool. I saw them (not by
choice) back when they were popular and they were poo. Utter pish. 

Oh, and LesleyJo has a Wuxtry Records shirt now. Yeay, that is my favorite
store! :)

Well I do have a reason for writing. The other day I was on the bus coming
home, and these two guys got on and sat in the seat in front of me. I
thought they look kinda cool, you know, not REALLY cool, but definitely
not dorks either. They were talking about going to some show that night,
and as there was nothing that night that interested me, I wasn't paying
too much attention. Then they started talking about Belle & Sebby, about
seeing them live and the records and stuff. I could tell they were fans,
or at least liked them. I really really wanted to say something about what
excellent music taste they had, or something to that effect, but I didn't.
Should I have? And what should I say in this type of situation if it ever
comes up again? 

Well, that is all. Um, except Looper got a pretty bad review in the
Flagpole today. I don't care what the reviewer-person says, I still like
them. And speaking of which (sort of), I'd always thought it was Stuart D.
singing Paper Boat...didn't he write it, too? 

Love, 
Stephanie

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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 04:51:01 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:51:01 EST
Subject: Sinister: Writhe on the fire of your peers' displeasure, sucka!
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In a message dated 1/27/99 11:38:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
smfisher at arches.uga.edu writes:

<< Well I do have a reason for writing. The other day I was on the bus coming
 home, and these two guys got on and sat in the seat in front of me. I
 thought they look kinda cool, you know, not REALLY cool, but definitely
 not dorks either. They were talking about going to some show that night,
 and as there was nothing that night that interested me, I wasn't paying
 too much attention. Then they started talking about Belle & Sebby, about
 seeing them live and the records and stuff. I could tell they were fans,
 or at least liked them. I really really wanted to say something about what
 excellent music taste they had, or something to that effect, but I didn't.
 Should I have? And what should I say in this type of situation if it ever
 comes up again?  >>

You should always speak up in that sort of situation, m'dear. Just think,
those boys could have been trying to lure you into conversation about
Belle&Sebastian and you didn't even take the bait! I'd love to be discussing a
fantastic musical group and have a total stranger come over and agree with my
tastes.

there's nothing wrong with being a dork. Meself I go for the intentionally
dorky look, or what passes for dorky here. ( i won't start on about the
glasses again, I promise) I don't wear ill-fitting baggyass pants, nor do I
like the hideous funk-metal that all the 'cool' people like. And I read more
than I watch TV. I also think and draw.. how unhip! someone tune this boy into
the fab world of American Culture! isn't he a foaming anarchist pop-punk? Does
he not hate his parents and everything else? Why won't he buy $25 shirts that
tell everyone he likes a band enough to pay them to wear their advertisments?

                                             i'll be quiet again. I liked the
Belle and sebastian joke, so thanks whoever sent that. Cockbiter, I don't know
your real name.
                                                                      dave





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From evanbear at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 05:05:44 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:05:44 -0500
Subject: Sinister: AMC/RHP/BPB (oldham)
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<<<I think he should have mentioned
American Music Club and Red House Painters in the list of best things to

come out of America.>>>>

damn friggin right
Mark and Mark are both gods (damnit they are quit arguing with me about
they're whiny pathoses (pathi?))
oh wait nobody here was arguing with me...hmm...thats a first i think,
at least a rarity
umm...im sure there are at least a few people who dig Red House Painters
and im sad to say that the new album scheduled for three weeks ago has
been delayed till March and that's up in the air due to the forces of
evil i mean Seagram's buying out all the decent major labels and turning
them into a heaping pile of rhino feces
i have a bad feeling that Mark Kozelek (red house painters) will get
shafted by yet another label (the poor guy eeven got kicked off of 4ad
for having a long ass crazy horse type solo, err like 3 or 4 of them
rather on his last album one of the best albums of the decade (but im
sure a lot of people have it)
yknow 4ad is perty cool and all but so rigid about the type of music
oh well im pretty sure someone will pick him up if he does get dumped
just so long as the album gets released its been waaaaaaaaaay too long
luckily i still have the first two albums to get and ive been surviving
on Ocean Beach which i got a few months ago (ooooooooo)


<<<whats will oldham like i have a chance to see him under the guise of
bonnie prince billie , (god another artist beginning with b , i reckon
that i could survive for a good while listening only to music beginning
with b)>>>
go go go friggin go
and you must get the new album or at least the One With The Birds 7" and
the others are cool too
i dont have the new album yet since i havent been able to see himlive
(waaaaah) but i cant wait and im living vicariously through lucky people
who see him
errrr
oh yah i guess a description might help... well close your eyes, sit on
the floor or even better on a log or rock in the woods preferably by a
stream and if you're lucky you'll forget what century you're in
this is mostly applicable for There Is No One What Will Take Care Of You
(or something to that affect), and Days In The Wake, and i bet the new
one, Arise Therefore has a bit too much drum machine to really work that
well
i think that description works pretty well
i wa sjust informed that the new album has beeen released so im gonna
get my sleeping bag and go camp outside the local trindie store, i dunno
how i missed that release date grrr
ok well i gues sthats it
----Ev
np-Barbara Manning Sings With The Original Artists (Jon langford, stuart
moxham and others) (bass clarinet, barbie, muted trumpet solos, barbie,
oh and jon langford too, nuff friggin said)
-------------------------------------------------------

I was happy when I put my new record on
But I was sad as I listened to it all alone
---"Feeling Fine" by Class

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From pixy1 at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 10:07:28 1999
From: pixy1 at xxx.com (damien gaucher)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:07:28 GMT
Subject: Sinister: hello evreryone
Message-ID: <917510047008743@Caramail.com>


well, it's not so easy to write to so many people at the 
same time.I'm a french guy and a big lover of B&S, since, 
when I listen to them, although it's raining , i can see a 
blue stripe in the sky and that's wonderful.
to John M. and Robert M. :you're both right: in the U.S.A, 
in the U.K, and in France too, there are many good things 
and there is awful music ; i for one also love Radiohead 
and all britpop bands i can hear (which is not so easy, for 
in France , they also have their sh...and one or two radio 
stations are fine, in particular the 45mn one of the Black 
Sessions maker, Bernard Lenoir...).but i must admit my 
favourite band is an american one : Pixies.Oh, I know, it 
doesn't have much to do with B&S , but they have something 
in common: both can create atmospheres and in a quite 
important way...there are many bands and solists like that 
but I won't make an essay on it...
well , hope i didn't give anyone any headache, otherwise 
i'm sorry...
see you later...

PS: I didn't taped the B&S black session, I'm so sorry i 
can't help you (but i'm first sorry for myself...)

bon, sur ce , à plus!



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From sensitive_stan at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 10:23:57 1999
From: sensitive_stan at xxx.com (Sensitive Stan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:23:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: thank you for being nice to me
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hello, it's stan again.  thank you everyone for your kind messages. 
it's good to know that there are so many sensitive belle and sebastian
fans out there.  it's strange feeling part of a community like this
when i am so used to being an outsider.  i live in milton keynes, is
anyone else in milton keynes?  i bet you all wish you lived here. 
that's because there used to be an advertisment on television that
placed a subliminal thought in your mind.  you are so sweet and lovely
lesley jo, i would email you personally but i'm too shy.  i went to
london last week to the poetry cafe, but you won't know me because i
didn't talk to anyone.  i thought the singer from hefner was very
sensitive, but not as sensitive as tori amos.  afterwards a girl
started talking to me, she must have been one of those girls my mother
warned me about, being so forward.  she was pretty with dark hair, and
she bit her lip when she smiled.  i was still building up the courage
to say something when a scary bald man came up and glared at me in
such a menacing manner that i had to go straight home and cry in my
room.  i heard a song by nick drake yesterday.  he sounds very
sensitive,  i think he should record a song with belle and sebastian. 
sometimes when i look out of the window i expect to see sebastian or
belle sitting in a big van outside my house pretending to be a removal
man, but really spying on me with hi-tech surveillance equipment,
because all of their songs seem to be about my life.  stan
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From bajsjan at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 10:41:28 1999
From: bajsjan at xxx.com (jan thorneus)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:41:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: lyrics.
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Hi.


Could anyone please tell me where i can find tigermilk lyrics? Im
sorry if this question has been asked a million times.

Everyone who likes great LO-FI music should buy a Guided by Voices
record cus they rawk, or ask me if you can get a copy of my own
recorded CD :).

BYe.

Jan.




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From aszolnoki at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 10:40:31 1999
From: aszolnoki at xxx.com (Andras Zalan Szolnoki)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:40:31 PST
Subject: Sinister: the cafe called Bokcafeen
Message-ID: <19990128104031.9744.qmail@hotmail.com>


Morning everyone! :-)

I worked , for the second time , at this pub/cafe hybrid place called 
the bookcafe. My first move was to put on Sinister and take off my 
jacket , thus revealing my blue study at stow t-shirt. 
It was wonderfull!!! A few people asked me what I was playing and when I 
said B&S they nodded respectfully. Nobody saw my t-shirt though.

Since I'm writing , I'd like to thank everyone who have made a tape for 
me!!! Thanks! 
Now if anyone here in freezing Norse-way , its -20c here !!!!!!! , 
whould like a copy of Tiger or  (a) radio-session(s) , just mail me (and 
please NOT the list!).
And if there is anyone in/from Budapest on the list , this means you 
too. I'm going home during the easter holidays , so I can spread the 
magic there as well , if anyone one is interested.

I'm going to see Mogwai at SoWhat? tomorrow. B&S should play there!!!
Sebadoh did. Last week. Or at the Roskilde festival in Denmark this 
summer!!!!! Roskilde is the world's BEST , without a doubt , festival.
And since B&S is the best band in the world.......

So The Belle Band has been nominated for the brits.........
Maybe I shouldn't be saying this , but I don't want they to win.
Not that I want them to "lose" , but .... the brits........why bother?
And best newcomer..?? New??? Give me a breake! 

just in : there's  -51 !!!!! c  in Karasjok , that's in north-Norseway 
-way north!- 

Where is the global warming when you REALLY need it????

..aaaaaaaaaahhhh get me away I'm dying    get me away I' dying!!!!!   
 
>> Entry is �3 or �2 with NUS card, UB40 or Belle and Sebastian   
t-shirt  or badge.
Last , but not least : what the hell is this ?????????????
UB40 or OR !!!!!! B&S t-shirt!!!!!!!!!! Bad humor!!!! VERY BAD!!!!!!


.....I need caffine......
        ........I need caffine.......
                 ......I need caffine....... and maybe a dose of CO


Ciao!!!!
Andras

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From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 28 10:56:22 1999
From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:56:22 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Revelations
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From shop at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 28 12:03:24 1999
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:03:24 +0000
Subject: Sinister: lyrics.
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jan thorneus wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Could anyone please tell me where i can find tigermilk lyrics? Im
> sorry if this question has been asked a million times.

ALL lyrics of released songs can be found in full in the discography section of
the official belle and sebastian site at
http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/

cheers 

david

PS: to everyone, if you haven't yet checked out the web resources and still have
questions like this, you'll undoubtedly be annoying the few of us who work all
hours of the day to make sure they exist! look at the site above for links to
other sites and alternative resources, or check the sinister mailing list site for
links (see the footer which'll appear below). everything you want to know is out
there something or has been said on this list before, search the archives, check
the websites, then if you're sure, absolutely sure that it is a new query, then
ask the list.

then again, maybe i shouldn't moan, at least this is on-topic ;)
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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 28 12:33:25 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:33:25 -0000
Subject: Sinister: The Black Prince - revealed
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At the risk of sounding anally retentive, the Black Prince never became king
- he was slaughtered during the Hundred Years' War. It's a cool name for a
band though, shame I can't be bothered to get one together.... apart from
Belle and Sebastian, what about cool names for (hypothetical) bands?

I'm really ashamed I didn't buy "Boy With The Arab Strap" before Tuesday
night (I bought it during a retail therapy session, avoiding marauding
evangelicals - Christians ain't all bad, but they sure as hell (or heaven)
don't give themselves a good image - back at the Halls) - I could listen to
it all day, except I have to go to a union meeting and actually do some work
for once this week.

Ciao, bella

Louise l.stanley at lse.ac.uk 
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From polanski at xxx.nl  Thu Jan 28 12:48:39 1999
From: polanski at xxx.nl (polanski)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:48:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: grumble, grumble, another off-topic post..!
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after finding myself, yet again, with a lot of time on my hands, i got
the wild idea to try and order some cool indie shirts off of the web...

naturally, i have b&s shirts, but does anyone know where i can get other
decent shirts?  is there a good place that offers anything like this?
thinking of chemikal underground stuff and warp stuff and lots of other
lesser-known thingies...  seems the major ones only offer countless
'kurt is dead' and hootie and the blowfish tees...

thanks for your help.

desperately wanting to be trendy,

alex
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From Tjonrr at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 12:49:54 1999
From: Tjonrr at xxx.com (Tjonrr at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:49:54 EST
Subject: Sinister: acronyms ago go
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so my computer was broke and when it got fixed and i read the big stack of
sinister gubbins that had built up (i have no job, or life) you were all
talking about all my favourite bands. curses! my plan to impress you all with
my vastly superior knowledge foiled again. like hefner frexample. i know i
misquoted them a while ago but what i like about them is the whole package,
like B+S not just great songs but great artwork and sleevenotes too. part from
the fact darren hayman couldnt write a bad song if he tried. have you heard
the one with the boy murdoch on it? lovely...erm, whatever the organ equivlent
of fretwork is. and if you like the delgados NBT cover you should try their
cover of a very cellular song, cause i know you all like the ISB.
by the way, bill bryson sucks satans big fat cock. and fierce panda releasing
the first three colours red single is a misdemeanor compared with the heinous
crime of releasing the first embrace single. for this they will burn.
mogwai! i regularly hyperventilate along to this band. aidan moffat of the
strap is on two songs, the one that was mentioned, plus now youre taken, off
the 4 satin ep. this is real 3am stuff like most of their songs. the one to
annoy your parents though is with portfolio, the brendan o'hare track, written
in response to the nme describing him as the bands gibbon without portfolio.
its the one on young team which starts off all tinkly but then goes VROOM!
VROOM! from one speaker to another. more white noise vicar? did you know
brendan o'hare was kicked out of mogwai for talking during an arab strap gig?
quite right too, in my opinion.
i noticed people have been talking about douglas coupland again. he takes
turns with bill bryson if you ask me. you want to read a real book, try the
shoe by gordon legge. this could be my autobiography, but 10/15 years earlier.
sensitive, stuck in a small town, no job (too shy), no prospects, not much
money for records, trying to do the right thing, life ends up revolving around
john peel, thats me. most of the lead characters thoughts and feelings were
stuff i had thought and felt myself. i suppose youd have to identify with it
in this way to properly appreciate it, but i recommend it nonetheless. another
thing id recommend is the lp weve got rhymes for times like these by khaya.
they were the ones did that single a couple of years ago that went do you
remember that leonard cohen song suzanne . the albums nothing like that but it
contains the immortal couplet   i ate too many cigarettes/ she smoked too much
chocolate   as the reason for a break up.
B+S content? well when my sister had her walls stripped before she put the new
paper up i wrote   do something pretty while you can   on the wall in gold
pen, y'know for future generations etc but later i was in a bad mood after
aberdeen and liverpool both crashed and burned in their respective cups so i
scrubbed it out and wrote   kill a nazi for jesus   instead.
well thats my story and im sticking to it. from tjohn
"an opinion on everything, most of them wrong, all of them strong"
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From snorman at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 28 14:23:13 1999
From: snorman at xxx.uk (Sam Norman)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:23:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: tigermilk
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sister ray of soho, (record shop) ran an advert in this weeks nme saying 
that they have some japanese copies of tigermilk arriving and are placing 
orders at #24.99 a copy.

Japanese version - what's that? They are on cd? but me thinks maybe there 
is a problem with this for they are by a band called, and i quote, "Belle 
and Sebastien" and "Tiger Milk" is two words?

Does anyone know anything about this?

Is it worth #24.99?

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From shop at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 28 15:37:21 1999
From: shop at xxx.uk (david kitchen - jeepster)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:37:21 +0000
Subject: Sinister: tigermilk
References: <Pine.3.87.9901281413.B36492-0100000@se1.ssees.ac.uk>
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Sam Norman wrote:
> 
> sister ray of soho, (record shop) ran an advert in this weeks nme saying
> that they have some japanese copies of tigermilk arriving and are placing
> orders at #24.99 a copy.
> 
> Japanese version - what's that? They are on cd? but me thinks maybe there
> is a problem with this for they are by a band called, and i quote, "Belle
> and Sebastien" and "Tiger Milk" is two words?
> 
> Does anyone know anything about this?
> 
> Is it worth #24.99?

firstly it is 'tigermilk' and it is by our beloved belle and sebastian...

but...

it's not going to arrive soon as this was virgin japan bungling up their release
schedule. they've presumed they are releasing it on the grounds they released
sinister and arab strap, and because they knew it was due they have tried to get
an advantage over the rest of the world be selling it to shops before everyone
else.

very foolish, because they get it supplied by us, and we're setting the release
date. please note THE UK COPY WILL BE RELEASED FIRST, with the rest of the world
either on the same day or on the day after (tuesday, i.e. as in the US).

as a result, you could place an order for tigermilk through sister ray or whoever,
but you'll pay through your noses for it, and it'll arrive well after everyone
else is treasuring their copy, and then all the writing will be in japanese and
you won't be able to read the lyrics (unless you're fluent of course)

cheers

david

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From bkim0 at xxx.edu  Thu Jan 28 15:53:11 1999
From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:53:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Weep not for Sensitive Stan
Message-ID: <199901281553.KAA30996@dept.english.upenn.edu>


Stan, your plaintive posts remind me of a skit on Mystery Science Theater
long ago, when Morrissey related a song he'd been working on.

Last night I dreamt that I died
And I cried
Did I mention that I cried?

Something like that...

Anyway, welcome Stan, who would be called a "wuss" in the real world, but
in the womb of Sinister...a "listee."  Ain't life grand.

Xavier
-- 
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From his8jm at xxx.UK  Thu Jan 28 11:21:43 1999
From: his8jm at xxx.UK (J. MURTAGH)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:21:43 GMT
Subject: Sinister: left
Message-ID: <E5B5A84DF3@arts-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk>


left the building that was the Union Chapel
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From his8jm at xxx.UK  Thu Jan 28 13:02:15 1999
From: his8jm at xxx.UK (J. MURTAGH)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:02:15 GMT
Subject: Sinister: black prince
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The Black Prince may I add wasn't slaughtered in the Hundred Years 
War and did in fact die of diarrohea (how do you spell that), there's 
a big fuck off monument to him in Leeds city square, on a horse. He 
was cool man, beat the French with his dad at Crecy and beat them 
himself at Poitiers oh and he beat the Spaniards on their own turf. 
Black armour, black prince.
Oh yeah and his wife was pretty foxy too.
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From Rabwilso at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 28 16:39:00 1999
From: Rabwilso at xxx.uk (Rabwilso at xxx.uk)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:39:00 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk
Message-ID: <80256707.005C6D52.00@nun.postmaster.co.uk>


Great album and its avalble email for mor information

 From Rab Wilson
      Stow College
      43 Shamrock Street
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From evanbear at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 16:51:20 1999
From: evanbear at xxx.com (Evan Gregg)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:51:20 -0500
Subject: Sinister: grumble, grumble, another off-topic post..!
References: <36B05CA5.3C9AA0A2@tobin.demon.nl>
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www.gemm.com
has a bunch of cool shirts, records, anything music related
its a site that combines most indie stores on the web from all over the
world
you can search for a band or album or whatever and you'll get prices and
what not from all the stores that have something
i ordered a tindersticks shirt and a palace shirt from a store called
Just Like Heaven in Italy (they take forever to ship but its ok since
its too cold for tshirts anyway)
they do all the money exchange and all that stuff whichmakes everything
easier
so check there, if you keep checking youll find something eventually
------Ev
np-Potable Laxative 500 (i mean Portable Galaxie 500)
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I was happy when I put my new record on
But I was sad as I listened to it all alone
---"Feeling Fine" by Class

my home page:
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From Rabwilso at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 28 16:45:05 1999
From: Rabwilso at xxx.uk (Rabwilso at xxx.uk)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:45:05 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk
Message-ID: <80256707.005D0C36.00@nun.postmaster.co.uk>


Great album and its avalble email for more information
Email me

 From Rab Wilson
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From twee_tami at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 17:43:09 1999
From: twee_tami at xxx.com (Tami Popsicle)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:43:09 PST
Subject: Sinister: Hi!
Message-ID: <19990128174309.5453.qmail@hotmail.com>



Dear List-Lollipops,
 
Ive been on the list for a while now, listening to your lovely thoughts 
and I've only just plucked up the courage to write.  Some of you are so 
clever and funny and I'm a little mouse.  Let me introduce myself, my 
name is Tami, and I'm a student, I'm learning to be a teacher but it's 
so disappointing, because I wanted to teach children finger painting.  I 
love finger painting and all the bright colours and swirly patterns you 
can make, but I have to go to a horrid school and practice teaching on 
these nasty boys and girls and I'm so shy and some of the children make 
fun of my ribbons and my hello kitty hairslides. They call it hello 
pussy, and that's so rude and horrid and sometimes I cry and the 
children laugh even more.

Anyway, I love Belle and Sebastian lots and lots and my favouritest, 
bestest song of all is "Fox in the snow".  Foxes are my favourite 
animal, they're so cuddly and cute, and I love the snow and making 
little snow boys and girls with big happy smiles.  My best friend is my 
teddy I called him Sebastian.
 
Anyway, I'm writing because I've got a list crush.  That lovely, lovely 
Stan.  I want him to be my special platonic friend.  I had a boyfriend 
once, I thought he was special becos he had an Another Sunny Day t-shirt 
and I wanted him to make me tapes becos he knew so much about music and 
he said he'd got all the Sarah records and had a stripy t-shirt and a 
bowl haircut but he liked Manda Rin more and wasn't interested in me, 
and I was too shy to tell him so I used to write him poems.  I knowStan 
won't be interested in me, cos he's sounds so dreamy but I hope we can 
be penpals. Some of the boys on the list are a bit frightning I hate the 
way that if a boy sleeps with lots of girls he gets called a stud and if 
a girl does it she's a slut, it's so UNFAIR.  Ooooh, I'm getting cross 
now.  But I know Stan isn't like that, he's like stewart murdoch who has 
the loveliest voice and I just know he's a really nice person and I 
think we could be really good friends because I know he wouldlike me as 
a person and not look at my chest all the time and make me nervous.  I'd 
like to be friends with Isobel too, I could go to her house and I bet 
she's got loads of nice flowery dresses.  I went on the chat thingie 
once and you'll never guess who was there STUART DAVID!!!!!!!  He was a 
bit horrid though, he asked me about my pants, then he called me an 
indie 
c..., well it's a horrid word and I don't want to write itand I ran away 
though I got a sort of tickly feeling in my tummy when he said it.  I 
think it was someone pretending to be him cos Stuart David could never 
say such horrible things.  I went back the next day and he wasn't there.

Oh I'm sorry this is really long and you probably didn't read it anyway, 
but I really like you all and I hope someoen will write to me, 
especially Stan.
 
Love and lemonade,
Tami xxxxxxxxxx

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From mlu404 at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 28 18:04:05 1999
From: mlu404 at xxx.uk (R.North)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:04:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Where'd they learn to kiss like that?
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.96.990128180019.-449973B-100000@macr102.bangor.ac.uk>



Well, I've been a good boy and can't really find anything newsworthy to
reply to on the list, but I just had to write a message anyway.

But then I thought, the very fact that I'm back is news.  Which it is.
Big news.  Huge news.  Front page of the next Jeepster mailout news.

Anyone here reached that sad state of obsession, where you've gone out
and bought the Field Mice CD just because they've influenced Belle and
Sebastian?

Oh and Kevan the tree slug rules (love the picture)

Anyone like Rootjoose as well?  I think they're pretty huge in the South
West anyway.

anyway

bye

Northy




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From ChanA at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 17:57:18 1999
From: ChanA at xxx.com (Arthur Chan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:57:18 -0800
Subject: Sinister: B&S Chatter
Message-ID: <27458275F06ED211910F00A0C9E95BF00ABA45@miller.suissamiller.com>


Hello everyone:)
I found this web service/site called ICQ (short for "I seek you") and I
think it would be really cool for all of us Sinistereens.  
What ICQ does is it lets you chat with the people you e-mail. Basically,
if e-mail is equivelent to "snail mail", then ICQ is like being on the
telephone!  
Example:  If you set up ICQ on your computer (and it's really easy to
do), and a friend of yours did the same, then whenever you wanted to
chat with your friend, you would just send a message and if he/she is
there, they will see a little flashing icon and would open it to respond
and a "chat dialogue" box would open up on both of your screens and
whala!  
The neat thing is that you can have multiple people in the same
coversation at once:)
This way, we could all talk in real time.   If anyone is interested, go
to www.icq.com and go to download the setup and just follow the
instructions.  If anyone has any questions, just write me back:)
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From chriscrouch at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 18:44:20 1999
From: chriscrouch at xxx.com (Chris Crouch)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:44:20 CST
Subject: Sinister: 1st post/GBV
Message-ID: <19990128184422.2022.qmail@hotmail.com>


I've been recieving the digest for the required two weeks now and am 
going to post.  I've only recently become aquainted with B&S having 
purchased The Boy with the Arab Strap in November and If You're Feeling 
Sinister the very next day.  I am a freshman at Iowa State University 
but am originally from Rapids City, IL a tiny little town on the bank 
Misssissippi River.  My musical interests include, among many others, 
XTC, Ben Folds Five, Smashing Pumpkins, Supergrass and of course, Belle 
& Sebastian.

jan thorneus <bajsjan at yahoo.com> wrote:

Everyone who likes great LO-FI music should buy a Guided by Voices
record cus they rawk, or ask me if you can get a copy of my own
recorded CD :).

To which I reply:

I completely agree with you. GBV is one of the best lo-fi bands there is 
(and, they're lablemates with B&S (at least here in the US)).  I'd also 
reccommend Sebadoh (especially Bakesale) for anyone who's interested in 
lo-fi (and haven't heard of them yet).  The frontman for Sebadoh, Lou 
Barlow, is also the frontman for Folk Implosion (I'm the one, natural 
one, take it easy...) which is another group I'd reccomend.

That's enough for now.

chris

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From sleazy_stan at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 19:26:35 1999
From: sleazy_stan at xxx.com (Sleazy Stan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:26:35 PST
Subject: Sinister: Sensitive Stan?  What's that all about?
Message-ID: <19990128192637.24361.qmail@hotmail.com>


Sensitive Stan???  Simpering FUCKWIT more like!!!  Tori Amos?  What a 
load of watery PISS that is!!!!  I sometimes think PETER MILLER is the 
only one on this list who can be capable of SEX 'cos the rest of you are 
such SAD ANAL INDIE SCHMINDIE TOSSERS!!!!  Hey Peter, WHAT ABOUT IT???  
I know a dark secluded place, a place where no-one knows your face, a 
glass of wine, a fast embrace, it's called Hernando's Hideaway, Ole.  
You know what I'm saying????  Hey Megan, how come Mick's always away?  
Don't you have needs?  Come on, you can confide in me, I can do things 
for you girl.  FIELD MICE???  What kind of LAME TOSS is THAT???  What 
you need is a REAL MAN girl, and when the MICE are away this CAT is 
going to PLAY!!!  OH YEAH!!!  Talking of which, hey TAG, are you MISSING 
YOUR WUMPKINNY????  Well I've got something in my pocket for you.  It's 
got VEINS IN but it sure ain't CHEESE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING????  HEY 
JESSICA!!!!  You want to send people pictures of YOU in YOUR 
KNICKERS????  What kind of WEIRD SHIT is THAT??? Just send me your 
KNICKERS AFTER you've worn them and I'll be a HAPPY MAN!!!  OH YEAH 
BABY!!!  I gotta go out to OXFORD now, the birds in Milton Keynes are 
such DOGS, and I'm HOT TO TROT TONITE!!!  OH YES!!!!  All you OXFORD 
CHICKS better be ready for me!!!  Mmmm-Mmm!!!  STAN

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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 28 20:38:10 1999
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:38:10 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Like a mashed potato, you can do the twist
In-Reply-To: <19990128192637.24361.qmail@hotmail.com>
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I never understood what that lyric was on about. Bonus list-cred points
for anyone who knows which song & artist it's from.


Well I'm suprised noone has mentioned this yet, but for the benefit of the
non-UK listees (which is most I guess), the NME readers' poll results are
out - basically the only awards each year voted for by people who buy
decent music, as opposed to Steps or B*witched, ie people who know that
B&S and Cornershop aren't newcomers...

The first thing to note of course is that B&S came (a disappointing?) 19th
in the best band category, and 15th for best album.

Amusement value comes from seeing All Saints in the top 20 best dance
acts; and Liam Gallagher winning dickhead of the year for the third year
in a row. And top marks for the people who voted 'The pop personalities 
you would most like to see on a blind date' as being Ray Charles and
Stevie Wonder. And can someone please explain how the hell the Manics won
the best album award?!?!?


While I'm here, the best news story of the day:
Michael Jackson has had to go to hospital to have x-rays on his right
wrist. His spokesman said, "He's got a small fracture in his right wrist,
but it won't get in the way of his activities."
I'll leave you to add your own punchline to that one...


It's quite easy to get yourself a new email address, isn't it? Well I can
now be reached at TallGit at beer.com, which is nice.

Big Stu


PS You know what really annoys me most on this list? When certain people
post 2 or more short emails straight after one another instead of
combining them into one long one...

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From jordi-tv at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 19:06:07 1999
From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:06:07 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Drawing
Message-ID: <19990128220607.HM.00000000000AlMq@mixmail.com>




>>because I wanted to teach children finger painting.  I 
>>love finger painting and all the bright colours and swirly patterns you 
>>can make, but I have to go to a horrid school and practice teaching on 
>>these nasty boys and girls and I'm so shy and some of the children make 
>>fun of my ribbons and my hello kitty hairslides. They call it hello 
>>pussy, and that's so rude and horrid and sometimes I cry and the 
>>children laugh even more.

When I was a child, I used to be the tipical guy who passed the line while painting. All of my classmates (specially girls)  were better painters than me. I also was too shy, something that make me grew up with a kind of trauma about childhood in general. Tami�s mail made me think about it.
   I wanted to say something about Isobel�s songs, although it was argued days ago: I think that "Is it wicked not to care ?" is the 2nd best B&S, just inches before "Like Dylan in the movies". 
   Clarence, if you�re still there, I lost your adress. If anybody else wants my spanish zine about B&S, tell me so. 
    Is the MTV going to broadcast the brit awards ? 

  Bye.
   
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From DavidJ2502 at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 21:15:48 1999
From: DavidJ2502 at xxx.com (DavidJ2502 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:15:48 EST
Subject: Sinister: T-shirts do not make you popular shocker.
Message-ID: <1aca89f.36b0d384@aol.com>


Hello there.

While we are on the subject of t-shirts, I just thought I'd put my two cents
worth (about 1.3p). 

James wrote:

> Guess what I got in the post yesterday... give up? A small blue "Study at
Stow"   
> shirt. I cannot tell you how overjoyed I am at this wonderful news, and I'll
be          
> showing it off to all my friends in the nex few weeks.

I was once like young James here, full of youthful enthusiasm at getting my
first B&S shirt through the post. I nearly did a lap of honour around the
garden when I finally got my "Stow" and "Sinister" shirts a few weeks ago (I
say nearly because it was damp out and keen though I was, I didn't want to
catch a chill.) I decided to unveil one at my local one evening shortly
afterwards. I pictured the scene: as I take off my jacket the whole building
turns and a hushed silence falls over the room. Then one by one the gathered
masses form an orderly cue to touch the hem of my garment and I never have to
pay for another drink again- a kind of alcoholic Blue Peter Badge.

Needless to say it didn't happen quite like that. The reactions ranged from
apathy to confusion: "Well if you didn't go to Stow why are you wearing a t-
shirt with it written on?" I have since given up trying to impress people with
my t-shirts and am now experimenting with badges. The results were
disappointing.

As regards getting other cool shirts, why not just write to the record
companies and ask them, or try the band contact addresses on the record
sleeves- The Pastels do some fantastically groovy ones. Chemikal Underground's
site has loads of Delgados stuff if that takes anyones fancy, or Intoxica have
some fab Stereolab ones. 

On anm already worn out subject, I can't emphasise how important it is that
Vicky does not go to see Silverchair. I am all for liking a broad spectrum of
music, but I think a line has to be drawn at a Radish covers band, don't you?

Sorry if you have gone to sleep, here is a joke from the archives. An old
school friend told me it recently:

Q. What is ET short for?
A. He's only got little legs.

Trust me, it was funny in 1983.


I'm going now,

DavidJ.


PS Is buying a looper T-shirt taking indie credibility too far? 
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From bkim0 at xxx.edu  Thu Jan 28 21:31:45 1999
From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:31:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Now tell me Stuart, do you like it like this?
Message-ID: <199901282131.QAA22962@dept.english.upenn.edu>


Hmmm....is it the Contours with "Do You Love Me?"  I'm an oldies radio
junkie but more often than not the damn DJs will barely acknowledge the
song title ("Yes, indeed, we are feelin' groovy on this Tuesday
afternoon..." etc.) much less the actual artist.  For those one-hit
wonders this is sometimes annoying, but I'm pretty sure about this one.

However, I always thought the lyric said "I can mashed potato, do the
twist" telling the object of his affection all the many dances he can do.
Wasn't this song also played ad nauseum during the _Dirty Dancing_
soundtrack's monopoly on FM radio?  Or am I imagining things?  Heard
"She's Like The Wind" by Patrick Swayze the other night, it was good in a
sentimental way as much as I tried to resist.  Though "Hungry Eyes" is my
favorite guilty pleasure off of that particular album.

Anyway.  Mr. Gardiner, tell me what I've won!

Xavier
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From emmapeel_uk at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 21:36:44 1999
From: emmapeel_uk at xxx.com (Tricia Arnold)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:36:44 PST
Subject: Sinister: pleased to meet ya
Message-ID: <19990128213644.11814.qmail@hotmail.com>


hi everyone! i'm new to the sinister list here. well, i've been 
observing for awhile, but this is my first post. my name's tricia and 
i'm a film major from temple university. ya know what that means, don't 
ya? yes, it means i was one of the poor belle and sebastian fans left 
teary eyed after the group had to canced its philadelphia show. i still 
don't think i've made a full recovery.

anyway, i'm afraid i'm sending an un-belle and sebastian related post. 
do forgive me. the britpop list i was on recently shut down and i'm in 
desperate need of a new one to keep me updated on upcoming releases. 
i've searched the web and haven't had much luck. could anyone perhaps 
suggest a general britpop list that i could subscribe to?

ta!

tricia

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From sarah at xxx.uk  Thu Jan 28 16:58:55 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:58:55 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Golly! Eek! Would you like a Jammy Dodger?
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References: <00b601be49aa$c1d3be20$501e05d1@tinystar>
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Hey hey

Jessica:

>mmm, i almost forgot to say how nice it is to be able to put photos of
>fluffy sarah and lesleyjo alongside their words in my head, since i saw them
>on lesleyjo's website.

NOT ME!!! Its not me! That Sarah is actually Sarah Martin de B&S :) I
feel somewhat complimented by that! But alack and alas that Sarah is not
me and as such I am still a mystery. I've never met lesely jo EVER. But!
There may be pictures of me soon....or may not. Depending if I like them
or not.

How does Hello Kitty opress women? No honestly, I'd like to know! I like
Hello Kitty and don't really feel opressed by this like? Hello Kitty is
top. So it TABO! Go to the Sanrio website, you'll be thereforever cos
its SO ACE MAN. Do TABOS PSYCHOLOGY TEST! its the BEST! Hello Kittys
parents aadmittedly are in the s/type of mother/father roles, but who
wants to emulate the parents? Hello Kitty is popular and cute and says
Hello!

Miffy is better. 

WEEJAY:

> Hmmmmmn...... I don't want to get into a fight, but Gomez 
>and Catatonia arent that bad really - hardly offensive. And travis are
>alright live. Does someone else want to defend them?..

Look! That is why Pop Music (TM the duke I supose) is so shite! People
are saying, oh well it's alright, and settling for dull boring plodder,
like Gomez, Catatonia and Gary Dad to name but a few! ITS YOUR FAULT!!!
Have some standards! Say, NO THIS *IS CRAP AND I WILL NOT play along
with the easy way out anymore!!! Heck!

Sensitive Stan - you're so sensitive! And you're right, my boyfriend
isn't as sensitive as you, I'd dump him for you, but, I know you won't
be able to live with the guilt of splitting up a relationship... *sniff*
It's......for the best....*sob*

Kingston have LOST my UCAS form. ARGH! Unchuffed.
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Fluffy Candarel
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From patchwurk7 at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 22:01:48 1999
From: patchwurk7 at xxx.com (patchwurk7 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:01:48 -0500
Subject: Sinister: pleased to meet ya
Message-ID: <19990128.170148.-442093.0.patchwurk7@juno.com>


tricia wrote

>i'm a film major from temple university. ya know what that means, don't 
>ya? yes, it means i was one of the poor belle and sebastian fans left 
>teary eyed after the group had to canced its philadelphia show. i still 
>don't think i've made a full recovery.

ah, u too eh? well there was quite a few people there. i am a student at
messiah near harrisburg and went out to philly for the show. how
surprising that was... i am still hoping and waiting for the next chance,
as are all the others here that were with me

-chris
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From polystyreneman64 at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 22:34:58 1999
From: polystyreneman64 at xxx.com (Dan McKinney)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:34:58 PST
Subject: Sinister: pleased to meet ya
Message-ID: <19990128223459.2985.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello all.  As a lot of people seem to be posting for the first time 
today, I, too, feel the necessity to say SOMETHING.  And now that I have 
reason to, all the better...

First I should probably introduce myself.  My name is Dan and I'm a 
college student in upstate New York.  I work as a DJ for my college 
radio station and am an avid fan of most Britpop, particularly B&S, 
Radiohead, Gorky's, Roses, Smiths, James, et al...  

why am I posting again?...oh yeah...

>>i'm a film major from temple university. ya know what that means, 
don't 
>>ya? yes, it means i was one of the poor belle and sebastian fans left 
>>teary eyed after the group had to canced its philadelphia show. i 
still 
>>don't think i've made a full recovery.
>
>ah, u too eh? well there was quite a few people there. i am a student 
at
>messiah near harrisburg and went out to philly for the show. how
>surprising that was... i am still hoping and waiting for the next 
chance,
>as are all the others here that were with me

I, too, was among the disgruntled with regard to the Philly show.  
although I go to school in new york, I live in mechanicsburg and got the 
chance to come home to go to the show.  so, I feel both of your 
respective pains...

some people were mentioning bands/singers with similar singing styles to 
Belle & Sebastian...I have a couple to share.  Grandaddy shares some 
commonalities with B&S in terms of suppressed vocals....Lambchop also.  
another band i'd recommend for the vocals is the Innocence 
Mission...female vocals, very gentle, introspective....good stuff.  yo 
la tengo's 1997 album (the one with the long title) also has some quite 
muted vox.  

well...props to all who read this!

~Dan

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From Bellequasi at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 22:52:58 1999
From: Bellequasi at xxx.com (Bellequasi at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:52:58 EST
Subject: Sinister: isobel and mokey?
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ok everyone, is it just me or does isobel sound almost identical to mokey from
fraggle rock.  for those of you who don't know what the hell i'm talking about
fraggle rock was a kids show by jim henson that i, i don't know about the rest
of you, watched when i was tiny.  it was probably on in the early 80's and
mokey was one of the girl creatures who lived in the ground in fraggle rock.
the creatures were fraggles and mokey was the shy intellegnt one who knitted.
there was also red, gobo,wimbly and others but i don' remember their names.
i'm not the only person that thinks so, my mom does too!  so i know i'm not
crazy.  

kristie-oh the other one was boober or something like that.  he always did
laundry.  please respond last time no one paid to much attention to my post
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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 23:44:04 1999
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:44:04 -0500
Subject: Sinister: RE: Like a mashed potato, you can do the twist
Message-ID: <199901281844_MC2-6860-8F62@compuserve.com>


Hi Pop-pickers,

Isn't this from "Let's Dance", by (I can't remember the artist), covered on
the Ramones first album & credited by them to someone called Jim Lee. 

Half a prize, Big Stu?


Hmmmmm, are Mrs Murdoch, Sensitive/Sleazy Stan and Tami Popsicle all the
same person?

Take care,

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK 
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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Fri Jan 29 01:33:26 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:33:26 -0800
Subject: Sinister: did i mention that i cried?
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HOLA TODOS
eek!!  fluffysarah, how come it that you were confused with the adorable
doll-like personage of one sarah martin??  oops.  now where did that idea
come  into your head jessica??  teehee.  I for one, though, can't wait for
hte day i can match fluffysarah with her image.  i would say how i imagine
her but that might be bizarre and is probably totally off  base.
oh and hello kitty doesn't suppress women, that was just a stupid thing that
some girl ran up and shouted to Jess one day, as she told, and i just think
it's funny to randomly shout at people.  i actually like hello kitty, i have
a hello kitty angels note pad, and i like badtz-maru.  but i hate the dog,
and the spotty-dotty ones.  badtz-maru has pretty colors on his merchandise,
silver/black/purple and what not!! yay.

has anyone read stuart david's story on the treehouse? i did the other
night, and i thought it was neat-o, i want to read the rest of it.
no one ever looks at my Stow shirt either, people do stare at my  badges,
but they never say anything, i think they just want to know what the hell
belle and sebastian is anyway.  one girl at the copy shop said soemthign
about the little boy one, but then she stopped cos she thought he was giving
"the finger" and then realized it was two fingers.  lucky she didn't know
about the british custom i spose.

Xtra cheers for xavier for  quoting one of my most favorite MST3K moments.
"I wrote this at a time in my life when i was very, very very
sad.....breakfast, actually.  it's calle 'hairdresser in a coma'."
"I DREAMT LAST NIGHT/i DIED IN SIDE/I DIED A MILLION DEATHS/
THINKING OF YOUR SWEET FACE/I CRIED INSIDE/WE LIED AND DIED/AND THEN I CRIED
AGAIN"
.....did i mention that i cried??"

sensitive stan should definitely check it out.  aww i can't believe you are
too shy to talk to me, stan.  i'm the most shyest little mouse there is.  i
almost cried because i was too scared to talk to isobel, she was just soooo
pretty and i felt so sensitive.  i thought she would probably like a
sensitive boy like stuart, and not a girl like me, so i cried and when i got
home i cried some more, and i think i'm going to mail her my ear tomorrow.
stuart is very sensitive too, his eyes are all soft and fluffy and his hair
is messed up like mine is when i get up in the morning from dreaming about
sensitve girls.  i know stuart would NEVER call me a pussy, or yell at me
like sleazy stan, he would just hold my hand and sing to me in the rain,a nd
i would feel fuzzy and sensitive.  i feel  your pain, twee tami popsicle,
sometimes i get that tickly feeling down there too, it mostly happens when
stuart sings really girly and high, or when i see isobel's curvy biceps.  i
wonder what that feeling is, do you know?  i'm afraid to ask anyone cos i
know they'll make fun of me.  Do you like to make sand castles, and listen
to the birds singing and take off your shoes in the water?? tee-hee.  me
too!!   Can we all be friends now??

Actually, a few days ago, i dreamed that i had cut off my ears  because i
wanted to make earrings out of them. i put them on wires. then realized that
i would probably look silly to peopel who saw me,and i realized that i
didn't actually want to wear my ears as earrings, and no one else would
probably buy them from me, so i frantically took a knife and rawed the edges
trying to graft them back onto my head.
Will Oldham is grrreat. i have days in the wake i wish i had the first one.
and schtop this business about the category of "female artists"  it's so
very exclusionary.  there are tons of wonderful women making music.  now and
past.  Kate bush.  Polly Harvey.  Tori.  K. Hersh.  Lida Husik.  Cat power.
Mary Timony.  Carla Bozulich.  the raincoats.  Edith Frost.   isobel
campbell. (HAHA)  if you think there are no decent women artists out there,
you have earplugs on.  i could mention like a million more but that would be
horribly boring.  chicks rule, jerks drool.  luv y'all
sensitively yours.
lesleyjo
http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange
"I'm a piece of crap that the world revolves around."

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From TheeXVirus at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 00:12:58 1999
From: TheeXVirus at xxx.com (TheeXVirus at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:12:58 EST
Subject: Sinister: wtd: looper single
Message-ID: <931ba05e.36b0fd0a@aol.com>


anyone have an extra or unliked copy they'd be willing to sell...

justin
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From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 29 03:17:15 1999
From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:17:15 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Danger everywhere
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From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 03:35:58 1999
From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:35:58 EST
Subject: Sinister: isobel and mokey?
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In a message dated 1/28/99 6:06:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Bellequasi at aol.com writes:

<< fraggle rock was a kids show by jim henson that i, i don't know about the
rest
 of you, watched when i was tiny.  it was probably on in the early 80's and
 mokey was one of the girl creatures who lived in the ground in fraggle rock.
 the creatures were fraggles and mokey was the shy intellegnt one who knitted.
 there was also red, gobo,wimbly and others but i don' remember their names.
 i'm not the only person that thinks so, my mom does too!  so i know i'm not
 crazy.   >>


was there not a dog who scared the fraggles? My friend Tim's girlfriend looks
like a fraggle. Well, the hair is similar. I don't know what I'm talking
about. I know the pain of having nary a response to an email. Perhaps if I was
more sensitive, like stan. 


                    this was stupid. I'm sure the fires of retribution shall
rain on my head for this email

        dave
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From rhendin at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 29 05:19:44 1999
From: rhendin at xxx.edu (Robert Alan Hendin)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:19:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: B&S and all.
In-Reply-To: <732ea2a2.36b12c9e@aol.com>
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Hello all-

I have become a Belle & Sebastian fan so quickly, only a matter of months,
that now I am anxiously awaiting Tigermilk.

I cannot get enough of Dog on Wheels, I just love that EP.

Any B&S'ers from Washington, DC, like me?

Also, picked up a great, untraditiional album tonight: Basie's Beatle Bag.
The Count Basie Orchestra playing the Beatles. it is really quite cool.

Rob

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From tinystar at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 05:59:27 1999
From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:59:27 -0500
Subject: Sinister: will i be the stranger in your movie?
Message-ID: <005601be4b4c$a18ca7a0$e81e05d1@tinystar>


chiquitas,

i am trying to make a photo comic book, which will perhaps turn out to be
strange because i'm not going to put faces in it, just bodies and objects.
my first story will be a love story. don't we all adore love stories, kids?
and if stuart murdoch's agent would like to contact me, i would like to be
able to use shots of his bum in those silver pants. yum. lust from afar.
ohohoh, and if anyone knows where i can find one of those cameras that i
think was made by tyco that records black and white pictures on a cassette
tape, email me please.

and there was a cute boy working in wendy's when i went to get a monterey
ranch chicken sandwich today, he was very nice and held the door for me and
gave me a big smile, and could perhaps have been sensitive stan except i
know he wasn't because sensitive stan would have run off and hid inside one
of the trash bins when i smiled back.

fluffy sarah wrote:
>>NOT ME!!! Its not me! That Sarah is actually Sarah Martin de B&S :) I
feel somewhat complimented by that! But alack and alas that Sarah is not
me and as such I am still a mystery. I've never met lesely jo EVER. But!
There may be pictures of me soon....or may not. Depending if I like them
or not.<<

so, that would explain why you look so much like sarah martin of b+s, then.
i was wondering...i think i can speak for the list when i say we'd love to
see you in all your fluffy glory. erm, not that way. honest.

stinky sleazy stan yelled:
>>HEY
JESSICA!!!!  You want to send people pictures of YOU in YOUR
KNICKERS????  What kind of WEIRD SHIT is THAT??? Just send me your
KNICKERS AFTER you've worn them and I'll be a HAPPY MAN!!! <<

poo to you, stan, someone already beat you to it and has dibs on my
knickers. and they are very smart and industrious, suggesting that i
shrink-wrap them for maximum preservative effect. i was going to have them
bronzed, but then how could they tell if they've been worn? sucks to be you,
stan. now go eat some balloons.

race me through this heart-broken town,
jessicaxo

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside
the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even
orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m  (it's lovely being a girl)

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From bp224996 at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 29 06:46:52 1999
From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:46:52 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Crush the Flowers
Message-ID: <36B1595C.748751CB@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>


Well, it's another day in Sinisterland...
	Things certainly have been *active* the past few days. I got several
shows in the mail the past 4 days, in fact, one a day if you average it
out. So far the crown jewel of them all has to be Boston. There's a very
well-preserved version of Lord Anthony on it, too bad I don't think it's
any better than any of the other songs on the tape. I am pleased that
"Wrong Love" was played at the show, though.
	It seems that no one ever mentions B&S to people who wear their shirts.
My friend Matt complimented me on it just the other day, but I'm not
entirely sure he's heard them, I think he just genuinely liked the
Stuy-at-Stow stylings. See, I wear my Smiths shirt and bam, a waitress
compliments me on it. But B&S? No... "Selling a lot of them," indeed.
And badges, did I mention I wear my badge every day I wear my coat? Then
again, no one has come up to me and said "Oh I love #Poundsign#!" so
maybe badges aren't as attracting as shirts. Speaking of which...
 
Dave said:
> I don't wear ill-fitting baggyass pants, nor do I
> like the hideous funk-metal that all the 'cool' people like. And I 
> read more than I watch TV. I also think and draw.. how unhip! someone > tune this boy into the fab world of American Culture! isn't he a 
> foaming anarchist pop-punk? Does he not hate his parents and 
> everything else? Why won't he buy $25 shirts that tell everyone he 
> likes a band enough to pay them to wear their advertisments?

	Um, actually I don't think people usually buy band shirts to advertise
the band, I personally buy mine so that maybe someone in this town has a
similar music taste, and if they do I'd like to meet them, so maybe
they'll say hi. People who *used* to live here are on this list, but
Athens, Ohio is not a hotbed of Belle & Sebastian-ism, at least not that
I'm aware of. Anyway, I believe what you're thinking of here is Nike,
Tommy Hilfiger, etc. shirts, which are essentially advertisements.
	Ailsa Ross had some lovely arguments, didn't she? I think so, anyway. I
used to try and argue about music being subjective, but it sounds as if
people didn't like that, when I did. I suppose people like thinking what
they listen to is "better," and it makes them feel good about
themselves.        
	And yes, they said it couldn't be done, but yes, "Sensitive Stan" and
"Tami Popsickle" have broken the world's most boring post record,
previously held by...oh look, a cardinal... Anyway, this is proof that
if you're going to make up an imaginary listee, it doesn't make up for
not being funny. Let this be a lesson to you all. Thank you, and good
night.
 
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From popscene at xxx.ca  Fri Jan 29 07:03:15 1999
From: popscene at xxx.ca (Michelle Audet)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:03:15 -0500
Subject: Sinister: the space looks down at us
Message-ID: <0F6B00BK77N8IB@sims-ha.videotron.net>


Bonjour everyone !

I am a newbie on this list and I thought it would be a good thing to
introduce myself to you...so that you guys can have a bit of an idea on who
I am and why I subscribed. Don't worry I'm not going to tell you the story
of my life, it'll be short. Okay so here it goes ! I'm Michelle from Quebec
City, Canada. I'm 18 years old  and I go to college. I recently discovered
B&S. I'm not going to bother all of you with a list of my favorite bands
but let's just say that I like many indie bands...and particulary pop from
the UK.  I play guitar and well...almost everything in my life has a
connection with music. I got The Boy With The Arab Strap about a month ago
and was absolutely amazed by it, it is : sweet,fresh,honest,brilliant !
Last week, a friend of mine sent me a tape of If You're Feeling Sinister (I
couldn't find it anywhere and I had to hear it...and it always takes a lot
of time when I order stuff). It is great,it makes me smile and cry. I'm
gonna end this here and just stay in the shadows for a while and read what
you write. I'll see whether I'll join for good or not. Take care.

Mi :)

*Once the music leaves your head it's already compromised* Jack Brewer
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From danakil at xxx.fr  Fri Jan 29 08:16:52 1999
From: danakil at xxx.fr (danakil)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:16:52 +0100
Subject: Sinister: black on color tv
Message-ID: <002101be4b5f$ba98b960$531e0bd4@nfwenaxa>

i'm shaking, it was so cold outside, i ran to come back here and i'm breathless. i spent most of this night on the roof of a building, watching the small lights of the city, eating some bananas, trying to find the window of the room where i grew up, everything was quiet in the dark. so now it's 9 in the morning and i'm tired, well anyway, i only want to tell you that the video version of the black sessions with b and s 'll be on Paris Premiere (french cable tv) next wenesday at 22 h 50 or something like that, but maybe somebody said it before, i don't know, i just want to sleep.


Cyrille.
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From brier at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 09:07:35 1999
From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:07:35 -0800
Subject: Sinister: An open letter to Sensitive Stan
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Or, more particularly, to those who would respond to him.  Don't embarrass
yourselves by responding.  He's an obvious (century of) faker.  I hope he
was making it up when he mentioned all those who had responded favorably to
his initial post.

And on the off chance that I'm wrong, gawd Stan, feel my sorry apologies!  I
couldn't have dreamed that you were a real person with real things to say
such as that.

P.S.  My band (Buckley V. Valeo) has our first CD coming out in about a
month, which doesn't have much to do with B&S except that I think my
drumming was influenced by them.  And we have a song called "Up A Tree"
which we wrote long before Looper decided to call their album that too.  I
guess geniuses think in similar fashion.

Hearing the possible wrath of listees swarming like a dozen crushing blows,

Brier

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From MctaggartR at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 09:52:48 1999
From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:52:48 -0000
Subject: Sinister: There is no alternative
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Oh List,

Tall Stuart wrote:

>Well I'm suprised noone has mentioned this yet, but for the benefit of >the
non-UK listees (which is most I guess), the NME readers' poll >results are
out - basically the only awards each year voted for by >people who buy
decent music, as opposed to Steps or B*witched, ie >people who know that B&S
and Cornershop aren't newcomers...

Stuart, were these the same "people who buy decent music" who voted Robbie
Williams as Best Solo Artist?  And had the imagination to vote for the
Fatboy Slim as best dance act?  And the intelligence to vote that Billie, a
16 year old girl who to the best of my knowledge has never done any of them
any personal harm, be subjected to a boxing match with Mike Tyson.  How
brave and clever of them, I wonder how many of them were male.  Personally,
I'd rather hear Billie singing about playing songs so loud because she wants
to, than read about a bunch of self-congratulatingly "alternative"
misogynist sheep voting "because they're told to".

Mick, I found Sensitive Stan very funny indeed, it may not have been the
most subtle of parodies, but sometimes you need to be a bit obvious to make
a point.  And it wasn't me.

Love tag xx
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From Michael.Holgate at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 10:19:47 1999
From: Michael.Holgate at xxx.com (Holgate, Michael T.)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:19:47 -0600
Subject: Sinister: Tape tree type thing
Message-ID: <D59625F3B51BD111872C00805F31421A02386FF4@BHIABPISS01>


I'd be able to copy CD's for the tape tree. I don't own the black sessions
or any other unofficial B&S stuff, but if anyone wants to send them to me I
will happily copy them.

My postal address is
155 Gairn Terrace
Aberdeen
Scotland
AB10 6AX.


Cheers,
Michael.


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From tourajsig2 at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 10:27:25 1999
From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:27:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Listeria
Message-ID: <19990129102725.15713.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com>


Dear Lovelies,

Ooh, it's been ages since I wrote to you lot.  Chiefly because I
couldn't think of anything to say.  Thankfully, this doesn't appear to
be a prerequisite for posting thesedays, so I'll just press on.  Or
'Send', rather.  I'm joking of course.  Or am I ?

Without wishing to fall head first into the murky pond that is
Discussing Sinister On Sinister, I would like to alert any UK listees
who've recently been tempted to subscribe to OnDigital (by their
consistently amusing and clever ad campaign, no doubt) to a new
Premium Channel which begins broadcasting on Monday.  It's called
Sinister Gold and features a series of lively constructions of Old
List Debates performed by professional actors and introduced by Tariq
Ali.  I've had a sneak preview; the exchange between a woman who was
once Third Helicopter Crash Victim (DOA) in 'Casualty' and a chap
whose chief claim to fame was Abusive Moustachioed Barman in 'Soldier,
Soldier' on the nature of Sixteen-ness is particularly affecting. 
Comic relief is provided in the form of animated interludes - witness
Cartoon Leonard Rossiter and Cartoon Tony Hancock discussing Yabby
You.  It's worth a look, though, for �15.99 a month, I was kinda
expecting Antoine De Caunes and Jeremy Clarkson to be slugging it out.

(Btw, if any grammar scholars out there would like to suggest a
shorter and more readable opening sentence to the above paragraph,
perhaps they can mail me privately and I can ignore them in my own
time).

Is 1999 the International Year of the List ?  Tom Cox suggests as much
in today's Guardian, so it must be true.  Now, lists are, of course,
the refuge of the scoundrel (or is that badger-baiting ?); I only
peppered Sinister with Top 10s last summer to Make A Point about how
appalling and loathsome they are.  Of course I did.  However, in Tom's
piece in the Friday Review section he's made a laudable attempt to
compile an 'alternative' Top 100 Albums chart.  He's polled a
selection of Pop luminaries (including our own B&S) for their
favourites, but has prohibited voting for any of around 80 yawnsome
acknowledged 'classics' ('What's Goin' On', 'Pet Sounds', 'Sgt.
Pepper', etc).  The results ?  Well, Sinister Darling Nick Drake
cleans up basically - 'Bryter Layter' is #1, 'Five Leaves Left' is #5.
 Elsewhere the likes of Jane Siberry, My Bloody Valentine, Laura Nyro,
The Millenium and even bloody AR Kane (check out the Simon Reynolds
ding-dong on Sinister Gold, kids) pop up.  Now, a list is still a list
and, as such, should be reviled and shunned by all good Pop folk but
what *might* be interesting is if this process was repeated a number
of times.  The same (or different, sexier) people are polled but this
time they can't name any of the 'alternative' Hot 100 either; and then
they're polled again - excluding the list entries they came up with
last time.  And so on, until eventually all you're left with is 'Hot
August Nights II', a bunch of Happy Hardcore and The Fire Engines. 
It's a thought.  Not a very good one, mind.

Enough yammering already.

Mike.
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From Michael.Holgate at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 10:29:17 1999
From: Michael.Holgate at xxx.com (Holgate, Michael T.)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:29:17 -0600
Subject: Sinister: Tape tree type thing
Message-ID: <D59625F3B51BD111872C00805F31421A02389EF7@BHIABPISS01>


I'd be able to copy CD's for the tape tree. I don't own the black sessions
or any other unofficial B&S stuff, but if anyone wants to send them to me I
will happily copy them.

My postal address is
155 Gairn Terrace
Aberdeen
Scotland
AB10 6AX.


Cheers,
Michael.


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From bferneyhough at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 29 10:46:19 1999
From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (Ben Ferneyhough)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:46:19 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Alternative top 100 albums ever !! (No B&S - boo !)
Message-ID: <199901291046.KAA03319@brookes.ac.uk>


Greeting earth creatures, in todays Guardian they have made this chart asking 
'a mixture of historically aware folks from all areas of the music business' 
which included Lemmy, Gruff Rhys, Julian Cope, Sarah Martin (I was wrong, 
there is B&S content !!) She voted . 1. Tom Waits "Nighthawks at the diner" ". 
Oscar Toney Jr. "For your precious love" 3. Dusty Springfield "Dusty in 
Memphis".
 
Anyhow, here's the top ten, us Nick Drake fans are in for a happy time !!
 
1. Nick Drake "Bryter Layetr" (1970)
2. Tom Waits "Rain Dogs" (1985)
3. The Band "The Band" (1969)
4. Gene Clark "No Other" (1974)
5. Nick Drake "Five Leaves Left" (1969)
6. The Beatles "A Hard Day's Night" (1964)
7. Curtis MAyfiled "Curtis" (1970)
8. Todd Rundgren "A Wizard, A True Star" (1973)
9. George Harrison "All Things Must Pass" (1970)
10. Todd Rundgren "Something/Anything ?" (1972)
 
Not much '90's stuff is there ?!! The first 90's record is Jeff Buckley's 
Grace from 1994.
 
Ben.
 
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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 29 11:30:25 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:30:25 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Fraggle Rock and someone who was asking after MLS stuff
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Hmm... yes, I remember the dog in Fraggle Rock too, there was some song or
other where I always think they're singing about Fraggles (much better than
other Jim Henson stuff, I used to be very jealous of Red because she was so
cool - bear in mind that I was about 7 when it was on and I was the gawkiest
kid in school for much of the 80s) but I can't remember it.

I think I read somewhere that someone was asking after My Life Story stuff.
Today I am wearing a black blazer I bought about 2 1/2 years ago which has a
whole heap of badges in the pocket, including most (if not all) those that
"Sex and Violins" - the MLS fan club/newsletter - sent me with news of every
new single. I'm sure there's Strumpet, but the last ones I got were in 1997
with the release of "Duchess" (which doesn't seem so long ago), and I lost
touch with S&V so I would be grateful if anyone could tell me if MLS have
done anything since then. I know they released Mornington Crescent about a
year ago but I have a tape of said album (it was last year's "Tigermilk")
and the extra tracks I mostly had taped off mates....I hope Jake hasn't hung
up his spangly boots.

I had a very Belle and Sebastian experience last night:

"We went out to a discussion last night and I heard of a lot of old friends
that I'd not been in touch with. This guy Alan was dishing the dirt on some
of them, revealing who was gay and who was bisexual; and the one who was bi
was someone I fancied very much. But it didn't faze me, because it made him
more attractive in my eyes. We went into a bar for a drink and had a long,
meaningful discussion on the relative merits of Judaism and Christianity and
my ongoing battle to open the minds of some evangelicals at college while
still respecting their rights to think like that, as I want them to respect
my views. The guy I was talking to knew someone in a powerful position, so I
asked him to get me in touch; someone asked for a job with him as well, but
Daniel told them that he only employed his own friends. Daniel took the rip
out of him, camping him up, but I had to call time at ten o'clock. I went
home listening to David Bowie and thinking of my lust object; falling back
into Sartre's "Nausea" when my batteries ran out. I went home and made a
compilation tape, encapsulating the highs and lows of the past four months,
and went to bed, safe in the knowledge that my love was just that.

I woke at 4.30 am after a nightmare about Martin Clunes and the House of
Lords and couldn't sleep. I realised that I hadn't had anything to eat, and
it was too early to go and get some chocolate. So I finished my tape and
left my room in the same squalor it was in last night, and headed out in the
cold and grime of London, on the way stopping for a huge fry-up and a read
of an American comic book - sick to the stomach because of my prolonged
fast. This meant I was early for my Government class, but I took a hike
through a park and across Lincoln's Inn Fields before lurching into class.
And that's how I got here."

OK, so it's not as good as something B&S write - how about the "Ballad of
Tindersticks"?!?!?!?! (Off their excellent LP "Curtains": my father quipped
that it made "Leonard Cohen sound cheerful".....)

Louise Stanley l.stanley at lse.ac.uk
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From L.Stanley at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 29 11:38:00 1999
From: L.Stanley at xxx.uk (Stanley,L)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:38:00 -0000
Subject: Sinister: The Black Prince
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I stand corrected. Sorry - I'll do my research better next time. (Say, we've
been doing time-travel in philosophy and the consensus is it's logically
possible. So why don't we get a packet of "Immodium" and transport it back
to the 1300s?!?!?!?!?!!)

Louise l.stanley at lse.ac.uk
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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 29 11:50:19 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:50:19 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Quickfire short posts for the lads!
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Arthur, and anyone else...

Get a chat client and connect to : chat.virgin.net

Then go to the group

#sinister

And loads of us chat there. There are instructions on getting chat clients
and indeed all the rest on David's Website.

Keith.


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From julianbester at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 13:12:29 1999
From: julianbester at xxx.com (Julian Bester)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 05:12:29 PST
Subject: Sinister: Mick McMick
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Does everybody else call Mick McMick "Prick McMick" when they're 
slagging him off behind his back?

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From gary at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 29 14:02:15 1999
From: gary at xxx.uk (Gary Done)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:02:15 -0000
Subject: Sinister: "I am a sensitive outsider.....and I want the whole world to know."
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Hello oh list of sinister type proportions...


I have something to take issue with and it was written by one Dan
McKinney....

>First I should probably introduce myself.  My name is Dan and I'm a
>college student in upstate New York.  I work as a DJ for my college
>radio station and am an avid fan of most Britpop, particularly B&S,
>Radiohead, Gorky's, Roses, Smiths, James, et al...


I dare say there's a few people in/on here who disagree that B&S are Brit
Pop, but lumping Gorkys in with the worst movement in British popular music
since Benjamin Britain Pop  is bordering on death penalty material. Gorkys
are of the Welsh Pop variety if anything and damn fine they are. Much better
than any of that Britpop rubbish. Oh and check out Topper as well cos they
are pop as pop can be and bloody good at it.


Lesley Jo, who is almost a B&S song title wrote..

 	>eek!!  fluffysarah, how come it that you were confused with the adorable
>doll-like personage of one sarah martin??  oops.  now where did that idea
>come  into your head jessica??  teehee.  I for one, though, can't wait for
>hte day i can match fluffysarah with her image.  i would say how i imagine
>her but that might be bizarre and is probably totally off  base.


You didn't hear it from me, but think Homer Simpsons sister in laws. 87)
Noooo, Fluffy is a vision of shimmering beauty, with absolutely no biased
opinion on my part involved. I have some snaps of her royal fluffiness which
need to be developed, so maybe if she likes them, you'll all get to see her.


Dave the Jygsaw bloke wrote....

<< fraggle rock was a kids show by jim henson that i, i don't know about the
rest
 of you, watched when i was tiny.  it was probably on in the early 80's and
 mokey was one of the girl creatures who lived in the ground in fraggle
rock.
 the creatures were fraggles and mokey was the shy intellegnt one who
knitted.
 there was also red, gobo,wimbly and others but i don' remember their names.
 i'm not the only person that thinks so, my mom does too!  so i know i'm not
 crazy.   >>


>was there not a dog who scared the fraggles? My friend Tim's girlfriend
looks
>like a fraggle. Well, the hair is similar.


You are correct sir. Can't remember it's name though, but it was the
lighthouse keepers dog. I know a fraggle rock rhyme thingy...

"Down at Fraggle Rock,
catch a fraggle by it's cock,
swing it round your head,
until the bastards dead".

It's to the Fraggle Rock theme tune.

That's all from me, I'm going to disappear back into my cupboard for a few
more months now, bye

Gary










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From keith at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 29 11:45:37 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:45:37 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Crush the Flowers
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>And yes, they said it couldn't be done, but yes, "Sensitive Stan" and
>"Tami Popsickle" have broken the world's most boring post record,
>previously held by...oh look, a cardinal... Anyway, this is proof that
>if you're going to make up an imaginary listee, it doesn't make up for
>not being funny. Let this be a lesson to you all. Thank you, and good
>night.

Hmm, seems like a difference of opinion here Geoffrey, I thought they were
both hilarious. Well funny, indeed the first Sensitive Stan thing was one of
the funniest things I've read on the list in a while. Full marks for taking
the piss - whoever it is.

It's not me neither by the way.

Keith.





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From radioheadsuck at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 14:23:49 1999
From: radioheadsuck at xxx.com (Seamus Harte)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:23:49 GMT
Subject: Sinister: doozers
Message-ID: <19990129142350.17892.qmail@hotmail.com>


hiya listees,

  im still experimenting with openings
I remember Fraggle Rock,
 do yous remember the doozers the wee green guys with yellow hardhats 
who use to build everything , and sometimes the fraagle used to knock 
stuff down , god this was a very long time ago
 I think, although im not such that the fraagles used sometimes eat the 
doozers , or is that some weird nightmare scenario im thinking of
 i remember the dog , did he talk, he used to be forever chasing the 
fraggles and there was some old guy as well
 
 sorry about maybe i should get on to a fraggles mailing list



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From bfundak at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 29 14:33:20 1999
From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:33:20 -0500
Subject: Sinister: isobel and mokey?
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:52:58 EST
From: Bellequasi at xxx.com
Subject: Sinister: isobel and mokey?

ok everyone, is it just me or does isobel sound almost identical to mokey from
fraggle rock.  for those of you who don't know what the hell i'm talking about
fraggle rock was a kids show by jim henson that i, i don't know about the rest
of you, watched when i was tiny.  it was probably on in the early 80's and
mokey was one of the girl creatures who lived in the ground in fraggle rock.
the creatures were fraggles and mokey was the shy intellegnt one who knitted.
there was also red, gobo,wimbly and others but i don' remember their names.
i'm not the only person that thinks so, my mom does too!  so i know i'm not
crazy.  

I had a dog named Mokie once.  She was the best dog in the world.  She's
dead now.

Brandt

"So, how many people in this room have you dated?"

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From bfundak at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 29 14:31:58 1999
From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:31:58 -0500
Subject: Sinister: pleased to meet ya
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990129093158.00828b80@mail.bgsu.edu>



Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:01:48 -0500
From: patchwurk7 at xxx.com
Subject: re: Sinister: pleased to meet ya

tricia wrote

>i'm a film major from temple university. ya know what that means, don't 
>ya? yes, it means i was one of the poor belle and sebastian fans left 
>teary eyed after the group had to canced its philadelphia show. i still 
>don't think i've made a full recovery.

ah, u too eh? well there was quite a few people there. i am a student at
messiah near harrisburg and went out to philly for the show. how
surprising that was... i am still hoping and waiting for the next chance,
as are all the others here that were with me

- -chris

Hey at least both of you live in or near a city that Belle and Sebastian
felt was privileged enough to actually play in.  I guess even if the
metropolis near you has over 1000000 people in the area, it still isn't
worth playing there.

Yes, i am bitter.

And yes, I am back.

And no, I am not Stan.  I wouldn't use a hotmail account if you paid me.

Brandt

"So, how many people in this room have you dated?"

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From ip211579 at xxx.pt  Fri Jan 29 14:37:45 1999
From: ip211579 at xxx.pt (Boycrazy)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:37:45 -0000
Subject: Sinister: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?____Compassion_:_that=B4s_the_word?=
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	Hey....

Why are you so cruel with stan?
We just have to understand him.
It´s not easy to have a lobotomy.

			a little more of understanding, please

						boy&crazy
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From bfundak at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 29 14:37:59 1999
From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:37:59 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Danger everywhere
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:17:15 +0000
From: Pamela Hutchinson <pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk>
Subject: Sinister: Danger everywhere

A listee wrote of the apathy caused by his B+S tee.
He was going to experiment with badges.
be careful, darling.
I wore a Bis badge when I started university and 
people thought it was in reference to some Latin verb!!?!!
As a friend of mine is sitting opposite me at this late hour writing an
overdue
Classics essay I can't be TOO disparaging but really, how are we meant to
put up 
with ignorance of this kind?

I think that this message shows the difference between English Universities
and American Universities.  If I wore a Bis badge, people would stare at me
funny and say "what does that mean?" because right now they can't even
figure out the 764-HERO badge on my coat.  I would be thrilled if someone
was intelligent enough to ask me if it were in reference to a Latin verb.
Instead, I get blank loks and vomit in the streets from drunken boys who
are trying to get laid and drunken girls who don't know how to button
anymore than the top two buttons on their shirts.

Brandt

"So, how many people in this room have you dated?"

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From bfundak at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 29 14:46:57 1999
From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:46:57 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Crush the Flowers
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:46:52 -0500
From: Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records <bp224996 at xxx.edu>
Subject: Sinister: Crush the Flowers

	Um, actually I don't think people usually buy band shirts to advertise
the band, I personally buy mine so that maybe someone in this town has a
similar music taste, and if they do I'd like to meet them, so maybe
they'll say hi. People who *used* to live here are on this list, but
Athens, Ohio is not a hotbed of Belle & Sebastian-ism, at least not that
I'm aware of. Anyway, I believe what you're thinking of here is Nike,
Tommy Hilfiger, etc. shirts, which are essentially advertisements.

Mick--

I buy shirts to wear them.

My dog is still dead (see Isobel and Mokey thread.)

Brandt

"So, how many people in this room have you dated?"

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From bfundak at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 29 14:44:54 1999
From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:44:54 -0500
Subject: No subject
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:59:27 -0500
From: "jessica" <tinystar at xxx.com>
Subject: Sinister: will i be the stranger in your movie?

chiquitas,

i am trying to make a photo comic book, which will perhaps turn out to be
strange because i'm not going to put faces in it, just bodies and objects.
my first story will be a love story. don't we all adore love stories, kids?
and if stuart murdoch's agent would like to contact me, i would like to be
able to use shots of his bum in those silver pants. yum. lust from afar.
ohohoh, and if anyone knows where i can find one of those cameras that i
think was made by tyco that records black and white pictures on a cassette
tape, email me please.

I'm trying to make a real comic book, but that is because I am a NERD.
Also, can anyone think of a good way for me to reply to the digest?  This
is what I have come up with so far. It seems like it will annoy some people.


and there was a cute boy working in wendy's when i went to get a monterey
ranch chicken sandwich today, he was very nice and held the door for me and
gave me a big smile, and could perhaps have been sensitive stan except i
know he wasn't because sensitive stan would have run off and hid inside one
of the trash bins when i smiled back.

If Stan works at Wendy's then he is probably the dickhead who tried to get
my friends arrested in Sheffield Lake, OH after a showing of Dutch Harbor
with the Boxhead Ensemble.  Supposedly this "junior dick" had seen my
friends steal a 40 of some cheap malt liquor called double deuce, even
though as my friends claimed, "wouldn't it be stupid to steal it if the guy
driving the getaway car is paying for gas?" Anyway, he was a fuck, my
friends had their rights violated by a dickhead cop and a good time was had
by all.

Brandt

"So, how many people in this room have you dated?"

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From asbuch at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 29 15:20:32 1999
From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:20:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Sinister: B&S and all.
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On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Robert Alan Hendin wrote:

> Also, picked up a great, untraditiional album tonight: Basie's Beatle Bag.
> The Count Basie Orchestra playing the Beatles. it is really quite cool.
> 
That sounds fun. I have a CD of some German Philharmonic Orchestra playing
ABBA. I like it a lot but I think I am the only one who does.

Hey, any of you Ann Arbor people know if B&S are playing here anytime
soon? I suppose I could check the paper but then my posting would be very
brief and wouldn't have any B & S content at all.

Ciao,

Heather

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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 29 15:48:31 1999
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:48:31 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Century of Sensitive Stans (or studs???)
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I totally agree with Brier, that sensitive lad is too sensitive to be
truly sensitive.The final hint was his living in Milton Keynes, winner
thirty years in a row most upsetting place to live in England.

Combination of 'dear Diary' and 'authentic B&S content': My lovely
housemate Anna keeps on telling I have to tape her all my Bellie stuff
next Summer when we are not living together anymore(sniff...),as for her
the soundtrack of our life in common is this jingling-jangling loop in
'Sleep the clock around'. Beautiful,isnt' it? 

Yeah, this is such a B&S year for me. Summer love in winter, idling
happily and listening 'Sleep the clock around' far in the distance, very
softly played, arriving late to work and inventing excuses ...

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From L.Kerr at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 29 16:05:01 1999
From: L.Kerr at xxx.uk (Linda Kerr)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:05:01 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Friday Poem
Message-ID: <199901291604.QAA12943@punt2.hw.ac.uk>


Dear All,

Oh Lord, the poetry parrot landed on my shoulder and has been 
pecking away at my ear for days now:

"Get on with it, you slacker." it rasped in a parrotty way  "Don't 
you care about the list?  That Trouser snake bloke told you to post a 
poem, so SHIFT your ARSE."

"No, I can't"  I moaned  "Every one is JUDGING me....they might think 
I am shallow or crass or something."

"Just bung down any old fucking poem, you slag"  it squawked  "Or do 
a parody of all the poems so far -  that's the ticket, gobshite!."

"Noooo, couldn't do that!    I am too sensitive to what other people
might think, if it wasn't quite good enough.  Or some people might
not NOTICE it was a parody.  Even worse! "

"Life's a parody, you WANKER.  Just get on with it! You 
urine-flavoured POPSICLE." 

The parrot deposited a moist globule on my shoulder and shook its 
arse briskly.

 "Just put down something you learned at school.  I am 
off to see that Anne Ward now.  She is a proper librarian, and may be 
a little more thoughtful than you, you dozy tart."

So, here for you all, one of the most beautiful, sad but true poems 
of all time that I learned at school, and is very very topical, give 
or take a few decades. 

(From the film "Shakespeare in Love")

The Relic 

When my grave is broke up again
Some second guest to entertain,
 (For graves have learn'd that woman 
head, To be to more than one a bed)
And he that digs it, spies
A bracelet of bright hair about the bone,
Will he not let'us alone,
And think that there a loving couple lies,
Who thought that this device might be some way
To make their souls, at the last busy day,
 Meet at this grave, and make a little stay?

 If this fall in a time, or land,
Where mis-devotion doth command,
Then he, that digs us up, will bring
Us to the bishop, and the king,
To make us relics; then
Thou shalt be a Mary Magdalen, and I
A something else thereby;
All women shall adore us, and some men;
 And since at such time 
miracles are sought, I would have that age by this paper taught
What miracles we harmless lovers wrought.

First, we lov'd well and faithfully,
Yet knew not what we lov'd, nor why; 
Difference of sex no more we knew
Than our guardian angels do;
Coming and going, we
Perchance might kiss, but not between those meals;
Our hands ne'er touch'd the seals
Which nature, injur'd by late law, sets free;  
These miracles we did, but now alas,  
All measure, and all language, I should pass, 
 Should I tell what a miracle she was.

John Donne
(1572 - 1631)


There is also the poem about the camel and the sphinx from 
Bannerman's toilet wall, but I'll save that for Valentine's Day.

Linda

btw lesley jo - what do you reckon to Gwyneth Paltrow?
btw Anne, it does mean you.
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From ar981611 at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 29 16:13:13 1999
From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:13:13 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Dance your cares away, down at fraggle rock, doo, doo
Message-ID: <36B1DE19.BB158315@student.paisley.ac.uk>


If anyone else has answered this I apologise for the repetition.

The dog was called Sprocket.

And I have just had my horrific last exam.  Four questions in two hours
- not humanly possible as far as I know!!!

I want to go off topic now.  You know when you go out with someone and
you're not sure of them and then you fall in love with them, but you
aren't sure why because you think you could do better even though you
don't know what would be better, but you know it's not this?  Well that
happened to me.  And yesterday he dumped me because he didn't think I
really loved him, because I said I didn't before, and now that I do (I
think) he doesn't believe me.  And I know he's not "the one" but it
still hurts?

Well I feel horrid now and I don't know if it's because he doesn't love
me any more or because I fell in love with the wrong guy, or whether
it's always like this when you get dumped because I've only ever been
hurt once and that was by the guy I REALLY thought was "the one".  Does
anyone have any insights?  Because I don't and all my friend are (to
quote a Bridget Jones-ism) smug marrieds, and think it's my fault for
being too picky or too honest or whatever.  And you lot are all
sensitive sorts and I would value your opinion.

Sorry, is this a little too Ricki Lake for you all?  I am sorry, I'm off
now.

Ailsa xx

In my head... "ever fallen in love with someone you shouldn't have
fallen in love with?"
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From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 29 16:16:30 1999
From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:16:30 -0000
Subject: Sinister: I'm only giving you what you've come to expect, just another post about stow t-shirts and sex
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From gnance at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 29 16:40:20 1999
From: gnance at xxx.edu (Ginger Nance)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:40:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: fraggle rock!
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95L.990129113743.131616A-100000@login1.isis.unc.edu>


That was one of my favorite shows when I was younger!  I always felt bad
for the little guys who built the crystal things--those inconsiderate
Fraggles.  Does everyone remember the mean human/ogre-ish people who lived
above ground?  My roommate my freshman year's mother looked just like the
wife.  I was afraid to tell her b/c I didn't want to offend her, but
fortunately we had a good sense of humor about it and would always sing
"down in fraggle rock" when her parents visited.  Okay.  I'm done rambling
now!

Ginger :)

Ginger Nance                       
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From bfundak at xxx.edu  Fri Jan 29 16:50:33 1999
From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:50:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Thoughts and Observations on a sinister-digest V3 #36
In-Reply-To: <199901291611.QAA12829@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>
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Okay so I got chewed out for my barrage of e-mail that i sent out in my
zeal of being back on the list for the first time in 6 months.  So now
that my knuckles have been rapped, here we go.

first, the really clever bit about Pennington...

> 
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 05:12:29 PST
> From: "Julian Bester" <julianbester at xxx.com>
> Subject: Sinister: Mick McMick
> 
> Does everybody else call Mick McMick "Prick McMick" when they're 
> slagging him off behind his back?
> 

I have never called him this. However, I have filed it away for future
reference.

Now on to Belle and Sebastians shows and me being bitter.

> Hey, any of you Ann Arbor people know if B&S are playing here anytime
> soon? I suppose I could check the paper but then my posting would be very
> brief and wouldn't have any B & S content at all.

This would be a show in Detroit which would have been nice for me since I
live an hour away.  Boy that show would have been great. Too bad like
Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, it doesn't exist.


Now on to love.


> I want to go off topic now.  You know when you go out with someone and
> you're not sure of them and then you fall in love with them, but you
> aren't sure why because you think you could do better even though you
> don't know what would be better, but you know it's not this?  Well that
> happened to me.  And yesterday he dumped me because he didn't think I
> really loved him, because I said I didn't before, and now that I do (I
> think) he doesn't believe me.  And I know he's not "the one" but it
> still hurts?
> 
> Well I feel horrid now and I don't know if it's because he doesn't love
> me any more or because I fell in love with the wrong guy, or whether
> it's always like this when you get dumped because I've only ever been
> hurt once and that was by the guy I REALLY thought was "the one".  Does
> anyone have any insights?  Because I don't and all my friend are (to
> quote a Bridget Jones-ism) smug marrieds, and think it's my fault for
> being too picky or too honest or whatever.  And you lot are all
> sensitive sorts and I would value your opinion.

I have had this feeling before and the best thing was that I was still
hurting from a relationship like this one you describe and it made me
throw away THE ONE.  How's that for having shitty timing?  Now I am alone
and spend my days in coffee shops becoming a poster boy for colon cancer
and not even knowing it.  Well I guess I do know it, but I won't admit
that I know it.

I wanted to kiss one of my best friends last night because we were talking
about kissing.  That could have been an awkward moment.

My dog is still dead.

Brandt

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From ChanA at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 17:39:30 1999
From: ChanA at xxx.com (Arthur Chan)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:39:30 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Isobel, Mokey, Doozers, and Happy Meals
Message-ID: <27458275F06ED211910F00A0C9E95BF00ABA4D@miller.suissamiller.com>


You know, the worst thing about Fraggle Rock was that I could never find
any "Fraggle Rock" toys:(  I don't think they made any.  does anyone
know?  Sorry about the fraggle rock content for everyone who's not
interested but I think for some of us, it is still a good memory.  
I loved those little doozers.  I could never find a little figurine of
one though.  I figured at some point, McDonald's would make some little
"Happy Meal" toys or something but they never did!   What a shame.
Wasn't Fraggle Rock just on HBO?   

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Bellequasi at xxx.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, January 28, 1999 6:15 PM
> To:	ChanA at suissamiller.com
> Subject:	Re: Sinister: isobel and mokey?
> 
> the opening theme song is the 1st song on the record!  i'll write down
> the
> other songs on the album too.
> side 1                                              side 2
> fraggle rock theme                catch the tail by the tiger
> follow me                                   dum of a son of a gun
> convincing john                       brave boy, jump up
> doozer knitting song                    muck and goo
> do it on my own                           friendship song
> wemblin' fool                             fraggle rock rock
> why?                                        beetle song
> lost and found                              easy is the only way to go
>                                                   our melody
> the back even has little blurbs about all the characters i had left
> out the
> gorg family ma, pa, and junior.  traveling matt, and the trash heap
> with her
> side kicks philo and grunge.  i'm getting to into this fraggle rock
> thing i
> better stop.
> kristie
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From smithee_alan at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 17:29:05 1999
From: smithee_alan at xxx.com (Alan Smithee)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:29:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: He's as sensitive as can be
Message-ID: <19990129172905.27201.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com>



Sensitive Stan - a bit like a corny old joke that everybody know s the
punch line to, but chuckles at the inevitable recognition because it's
easier than thinking of something new. Or maybe the list equivalent of
Embrace - you hear them once, and they sound exactly like you knew
they would. And then you don't need to hear them again.

And it's not me either.

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From twinkle at xxx.net  Fri Jan 29 15:23:14 1999
From: twinkle at xxx.net (petula)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:23:14 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Tami and Stan rule
Message-ID: <199901291523.PAA10759@trapdoor.aracnet.net>


Dear List,

I'm all for Tami and Stan. Perhaps some people are offended by them because
they hit a little too close to home? Goodness knows I used to be a bit like
our Tami, thinking a boy in an Another Sunny Day shirt would be the ultimate
boyfriend. But "popboys" are usually not what they seem...they're either
(from my experience):

a) selfish mama's boys whose idea of a date is record shopping

b) so into the "scene" that they ignore you at shows to talk to so-and-so
from some fanzine or band, leaving you to sell their crappy fanzine at your
table while you mind the coats and rucksacks

or 

c) they can only kiss with the lights out and "mood" music, i.e. Field Mice

Mind you, I'm with Pumpkinny now, and he rules.

(Mick said:)
>Anyway, this is proof that
>if you're going to make up an imaginary listee, it doesn't make up for
>not being funny. Let this be a lesson to you all. Thank you, and good
>night.

No way, whoever was pretending to be Evan Dando was far worse. At least T &
S are obviously taking the piss.

love and lemonade,
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From macarthur at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 17:46:23 1999
From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:46:23 -0000
Subject: Sinister: sinister: steps vs Gomez
Message-ID: <E106Hz8-0007lb-00@carbon>



hello sinisterines
 
> ok everyone, is it just me or does isobel sound almost identical to mokey
from
> fraggle rock.  

monkeys, fraggle rock, *sigh*, i just want to be five again.

I agree wholeheartedly with the listees who would rather dance to steps (
or other popmusic) than gomez, because even though the steps themselves are
hardly the sharpest crayons in the box, they're so pure in what they do,
and have the exuse for plenty of popstar grinning and dance routines on top
of the pops! well, i'd rather glitter with them than groan with
gomez....they're dull, like catatonia, who I know, aren't bad.....but we
should expect more! music that gives you that feeling that you just want to
sing sing sing in adoration! abba rule the school. Steps could have Gomez
in a fight, or at least a forty-hour foxtrot....what do other listee's
think of the steps?

 I bought a record of fifites film soundtracks from a charity shop. It's
wonderful.

and may I praise tag, list crush of mine, i thought the nme poll was
terrible, but i did get one good laugh out of it. Poor billie. James Dean
bradfield's most desirable person being Catherine Zeta Jones.

I love My Life Story, i'm a bit of a rubbish fan, having on a 7" single of
King of Kissingdom, and a lost-long-ago Strumpet badge, treasures. My tape
of the album was lost in my big box of tapes, and never found again. The
were just so many of them! on the gatefold record they're all standing
round a lip-shaped sofa, looking so stunnningly dressed. If I could be so
bold as to ask if anyone would be willing to tape some more of their work
for me, could you e-mail me personally? I'm sure I have something I could
tape/find in return. (beg, sniffle)

I'm fearing valentines day already. I'm so full of romantic notions and
experince so little romance. Senstive Stan would sympathise with me, if he
is real, that is, at the thought of not getting a single card....

fear not! there is money ready to be spent to make me feel better!

love Erica

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From skg21 at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 29 18:24:37 1999
From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:24:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: No Fraggle Rock content
In-Reply-To: <199901282131.QAA22962@dept.english.upenn.edu>
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On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Xavier wrote:

> Hmmm....is it the Contours with "Do You Love Me?"  I'm an oldies radio
> junkie but more often than not the damn DJs will barely acknowledge the
> song title ("Yes, indeed, we are feelin' groovy on this Tuesday
> afternoon..." etc.) much less the actual artist.  For those one-hit
> wonders this is sometimes annoying, but I'm pretty sure about this one.

Well congratulations to that man then, and particular bonus points for
namiung the original artists rather than the better known (in the UK at
least) cover version by the Dave Clark Five. For your prize you get to
write "Dear diary" in each of your next 3 posts.


As for T-shirts, you're obviously not putting them to the right use. Sure
it's nice when someone compliments you on your taste (although that
happens far more frequently with my South Park T-shirt). But I wore my
white B&S cartoon T-shirt 3 times last term, and they were the same 3
times all term that I got to play a bit of tonsil-tennis by the end of the
evening.

I've since tried wearing it far more often, but it hasn't had the same
effect. Maybe everyone I know has seen it before now so they look at me
instead.


I sympathise with whoever it was (sorry, can't remember) who was dreading
Valentine's Day. Mainly because I have still never received a single card.

Then again, it's my birthday today (nicely shoehorned into the
conversation) and my brother hasn't even sent me a card. I'm off to give
him a ring now...

Big Stu


"My wife went on holiday to the Carribean the other day.
    Trinidad and Tobago?
 No, she went of her own accord."

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From Snowinsumr at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 18:22:44 1999
From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:22:44 EST
Subject: Sinister: "...we're not terrific but we're competent..."
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dear "biscuit nibbling, cardie wearing" diary...

today is taking forever to fall into something better...i can't tune my guitar
and therefore i can't follow the beautiful people around singing them my words
of adoration...all my advances are in vain...they walk around with their
mournful faces not looking behind them at the little redhead sighing in their
shadows...on valentine's day will i send them cards with lovesick poetry or
will i sit alone on my porchswing wishing for someone to fill my postbox? i
know they love belle and sebastian and one of them looks quite a bit like
stuart murdoch and i like him most of all...his sensitive gestures and
constantly calm face...he nodded at me once and i fell back against a wall
terribly smitten and out of breath...i wish i could wake up to him every
morning and read him oscar wilde poetry and fairy tales every night...

love, 
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From nickdastoor at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 18:58:17 1999
From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:58:17 PST
Subject: Sinister: "All videos are vile...."
Message-ID: <19990129185817.13155.qmail@hotmail.com>



>From: "Jordi Trenzano i Vilar" <jordi-tv at xxx.com>
>Subject: Sinister: "All videos are vile...."
>
>.... Said Morrissey at the 1984 NME Poll. But yesterday, at the 
>spanish satellite tv 40 TV they showed "Is it wicked not to care ?".


Morrissey also said "all reggae is vile" - he is a notoriously 
devious, truculent and unreliable witness.   Nice that Belle and 
Sebastian proved him wrong though.  Blur tried to when he said that 
pop music was dying, but they fell flat on their fat faces.  But I 
like them now - I'm very open-minded me.  Now that Belle and Sebastian 
have shown him to be a liar and a cheat on the video score, I think 
they should follow it up with a classic reggae release just to stick 
the boot in.  I read somewhere that Morrissey thinks Belle and 
Sebastian aren't 'hard enough', so I think he needs to be taught a 
lesson.

I still haven't caught up with my digests, but did anyone else spot 
Sarah Martin as a contributor to today's crappy 'alternative top 100 
albums' in The Guardian.  'Bryter Layter' at No.1 which is stupid 
because it should have been on the 'banned' list of records that are 
always banged on about in these lists.  And to allow 'A Hard Day's 
Night' is daft too, especially when the album that always gets a 
slagging (Let it Be) is banned.  Clueless fuckers, the Guardian.  I 
wonder what Sarah voted for?  I bet it was Crowded Hou

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From editor at xxx.uk  Fri Jan 29 20:44:10 1999
From: editor at xxx.uk (duke of harringay)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:44:10 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Alternative top 100 albums ever !! (No B&S - boo !)
References: <199901291046.KAA03319@brookes.ac.uk>
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yes, according to the Guardian, B&S are indeed 'stars'. or at least
Sarah is. how nice. the feature let the side down rather though, by
proclaiming Drake's 'Hazy Jane' as the 'blueprint for B&S' complete
career to date' or words to that effect. what dreadfully lazy writing
that was... and at least two years behind the time. almost as terrible
as still making a Smiths connection. sigh. isn't it fine to feel smug
that you got all that out your system a long time ago? yes it is.

Oh, and can i ask that anyone who wants to slags off my elitist
fundamentalism with a witty irony to do so off-list. i don't think the
other oldies could stand it again.

keep the faith (but not if it's just worn to look cool)

the duke.

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From cockbiter at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 19:59:06 1999
From: cockbiter at xxx.com (brad whiddon)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:59:06 EST
Subject: No subject
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dear diary:

well, it's been three weeks now, and that pus-filled blister is still 
taking up residence on my left testicle. i know i should go to the 
doctor, but i'm afraid he'd gas me and sodomize me while i was "in the 
land of tron".
i'm thinking about writing in to the list about the snorks. i mean, 
c'mon, they were a complete rip-off of the smurfs except they lived 
underwater and they had hoses coming out of their head, and, oh yeah, i 
don't think they had a gay one like the smurfs did. but i don't want to 
clutter up the list with such bile. god, i sure hope someone doesn't 
write in about fraggle rock or something like that. that sort of crap is 
liable to bust my blister.
good night diary.





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From csomeone at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 20:17:39 1999
From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:17:39 PST
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <19990129201739.13689.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello popsicles:

1. Caesaria evora.  I thought I would mention her because I haven't 
heard anyone mention her.  Caesaria Evora, beautiful, beautiful.  Say 
that three times and fall into a dream.
2. Arantxa (almost as good as Caesaria, in my book) spoke of staying 
late with one's lover and inventing excuses for work ... describes my 
life to a t-shirt. not the nike type, advertisement-like, more the 1995 
orb t-shirt, the one that glows in the dark and only shows the outline 
of the letters, o-r-b, and those letters only from an angle, so you 
can't always tell what it spells unless properly um persuaded or um 
induced.  life is all about perception, no? as in sometimes I think i am 
in love and sometimes I think I am not.  All the same, I am still late 
for work because my boyfriend almost started to cry for no reason this 
morning. he thinks that everyone has one primary emotion that underlies 
everything one does, and he thinks his is sadness. This all before he 
brushed his teeth. he's not like sensitive stan because he can't help 
being that way I think.  he's kinda silly.
3.  hello all the lurkers that have come out to say hello.  You all 
saying hello is sort of like how the sun sometimes comes out in january 
(in California). kind of makes me want to lie in bed all day in a patch 
of sun through a window and do not much else except smile inside with my 
eyes closed. And maybe wriggle about, turning so I am warmed evenly, 
like a sausage. I'm afraid the lurkers don't make me want to smile 
inside with my eyes closed, but um, you all do tend to pop up and 
surprise me a little. only a little. You are all reminding me, though, 
that B+S have yet to come to California, and that Mercury Rev won't be 
coming either this winter, they're only going to Europe and Japan, and I 
am sad about that. 
4. lesley jo is very cute, and so is fluffy and for lack of a better 
picture, I imagine them walking down a street together in their ancient 
bookstraps and kneehighs on some anonymous suburban street discussing 
their hello kitty wallets and maybe good hiccup cures.

byebye
Cynthia

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From d_donohue at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 21:26:26 1999
From: d_donohue at xxx.com (dani donohue)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:26:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: There was only one Fraggle who had balls enough to go get the mail.
Message-ID: <19990129212626.24018.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>


Hello,
In order to help Seamus out, I'll tell you what I recollect about the
Fraggles.
The dog didn't talk, but he kept trying to eat Wembly when he got the
mail.
I always wondered how those doozer towers would taste.  
My friend said like mustard, but I don't think that's accurate.

How did we get on this subject anyhow?

--Danielia



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From dollie at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 23:30:54 1999
From: dollie at xxx.com (Dollie Banner)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:30:54 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Fraggle Rock, Doozers, Isobel and Gorgs
Message-ID: <199901292333.XAA24394@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>


Hello,
  This is my first post and of course it has to do with Fraggle Rock, so
bring on the hate, I'm achin' for it. 
  Anyway I'm a bit of a Fraggle afficianado. The main five were Gobo,
Boober,  Red, Wembly and Mokey, whose voice does resemble Isobel's,
especially if Mokey had a bad case of Asthma. (Mokey is now the voice of
Allegra on Allegra's Window)
  Fraggles never ate doozers, only the buildings they made, which were in
fact fashioned out of radish dust, the very vegetable that the fraggles
fetched from the Gorgs' garden. Sprocket never talked, nor did he try to eat
Gobo while Gobo was retrieving his postcards. In fact they became friends
and Doc, the human, learned about the fraggles just before he and Sprocket
relocated to Miami.
 As for toys they did in fact put out a line of dolls, all the fraggles and
wind-up doozers, which come up pretty regularly on E-Bay (ebay.com), both
the Hasbro Amrican versions and the UK Pedigree one's. I myself have a
lovely Canadian Boober who resembles Jay Ferguson of Sloan in "The Good in
Everyone" video and sleeps beside my nightly.
 
Hope that clears up any Fraggle confusion.

aw yeah, dollie 

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From ChanA at xxx.com  Fri Jan 29 23:33:29 1999
From: ChanA at xxx.com (Arthur Chan)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:33:29 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Fraggle Rock, Doozers, Isobel and Gorgs
Message-ID: <27458275F06ED211910F00A0C9E95BF00ABA52@miller.suissamiller.com>


That's really scary...but fascinating.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Dollie Banner [SMTP:dollie at xxx.com]
> Sent:	Friday, January 29, 1999 3:31 PM
> To:	sinister at majordomo.net
> Subject:	Sinister: Fraggle Rock, Doozers, Isobel and Gorgs
> 
> 
> Hello,
>   This is my first post and of course it has to do with Fraggle Rock,
> so
> bring on the hate, I'm achin' for it. 
>   Anyway I'm a bit of a Fraggle afficianado. The main five were Gobo,
> Boober,  Red, Wembly and Mokey, whose voice does resemble Isobel's,
> especially if Mokey had a bad case of Asthma. (Mokey is now the voice
> of
> Allegra on Allegra's Window)
>   Fraggles never ate doozers, only the buildings they made, which were
> in
> fact fashioned out of radish dust, the very vegetable that the
> fraggles
> fetched from the Gorgs' garden. Sprocket never talked, nor did he try
> to eat
> Gobo while Gobo was retrieving his postcards. In fact they became
> friends
> and Doc, the human, learned about the fraggles just before he and
> Sprocket
> relocated to Miami.
>  As for toys they did in fact put out a line of dolls, all the
> fraggles and
> wind-up doozers, which come up pretty regularly on E-Bay (ebay.com),
> both
> the Hasbro Amrican versions and the UK Pedigree one's. I myself have a
> lovely Canadian Boober who resembles Jay Ferguson of Sloan in "The
> Good in
> Everyone" video and sleeps beside my nightly.
>  
> Hope that clears up any Fraggle confusion.
> 
> aw yeah, dollie 
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From mandrew2 at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 02:27:17 1999
From: mandrew2 at xxx.com (Matthew Andrew)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:27:17 -0700
Subject: Sinister: fraggle rock!
Message-ID: <199901300235.TAA16877@mail.elp.rr.com>


one time they tried to stop eating the dozer's buildings, but the dozers
quickly became over-crowded and asked the fraggles to start eating them
again.  i think the oger-thing was a trash heap, and that's what they
called it

----------
> From: Ginger Nance <gnance at xxx.edu>
> To: sinister at majordomo.net
> Subject: Sinister: fraggle rock!
> Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 9:40 AM
> 
> 
> That was one of my favorite shows when I was younger!  I always felt bad
> for the little guys who built the crystal things--those inconsiderate
> Fraggles.  Does everyone remember the mean human/ogre-ish people who
lived
> above ground?  My roommate my freshman year's mother looked just like the
> wife.  I was afraid to tell her b/c I didn't want to offend her, but
> fortunately we had a good sense of humor about it and would always sing
> "down in fraggle rock" when her parents visited.  Okay.  I'm done
rambling
> now!
> 
> Ginger :)
> 
> Ginger Nance                       
> gnance at email.unc.edu                       
> http://www.unc.edu/~gnance                              
>                    
> 
> 
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From tdzF94 at xxx.edu  Sat Jan 30 03:01:41 1999
From: tdzF94 at xxx.edu (The Trainspotter)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:01:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: fraggle rock!
In-Reply-To: <199901300235.TAA16877@mail.elp.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.990129214724.15427A-100000@hamp.hampshire.edu>




ok, this fraggle rock thing is making me (and i'msure a lot of you nuts).
any questions - plesae go to the fraggle rock web site for.  as for the
taste of the doozers buildings - i'm sure they taste like radishes because
that's what they are made from.  
the doozers livihood rests upon the fraggles eating their work.
enough already.  if you think it's twee or cute it's not.  cuter things
I've done in my sleep. if this is the first your hearing of a listee
complains 'ccause everyone else I know who hates this schtuff just has all
the people who post this boring and unrelated drivvel on their filter
lists and those listees get sent to the trash - I do'nt have the
convenience right how because my laptop is in for repairs.  and enen tho I
don't have to pay for each message like a lot of kids do - 277 messages in
my inbox in something like 3 days is not a pretty sight.

sigh.  stretch fingers out.  

IN related to B&S news somewhat - I got my silkscreening stuff so we're on
the road to cute t-shirtsville.  If you have an idea for a listee shirt
feel free to e-mail me - although the graphically inclined might do better
to send tho attached .jpgs and .gifs to modsproject at yahoo.com.  I can post
them all up on my e-zine sight and those of you kids who are going to get
involved with the project o any degree (even if it's just getting a
t-shirt sent to you) - can vote.
the local mall is having a sale on t-shirts for something like 3.50 or
3.70 so nows the time to get this together (plus my work for the semester
has not yet piled on).  the t-shirts i've seen that have been so cheap are
youth sizes.  I got a youth L - about a adultS - ie. if you got a stow
college shirt in S - this isabout the same size./  I know they also have
adult t-shirts - I think they are 5.50 or something, and youth XL.  If
loads of people want to get one I can ask the shop for a discount or even
get it done at the printshop in town.  SO that's basically it.  alex - I
have loads of good indie shirt cat-o-log places - tell me what you're
looking for.  and kids - the new Looper single comes out on my birthday -
March 8th! woo hoo.  

-t.e.r.i.,

Spatula9 - We're on the ball and we don't make you eat brie - 
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I swear I have nothing to prove
I just want to dance in your tangles
To give me some reason to move" NMH

On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Matthew Andrew wrote:

> 
> one time they tried to stop eating the dozer's buildings, but the dozers
> quickly became over-crowded and asked the fraggles to start eating them
> again.  i think the oger-thing was a trash heap, and that's what they
> called it
> 
> ----------
> > From: Ginger Nance <gnance at xxx.edu>
> > To: sinister at majordomo.net
> > Subject: Sinister: fraggle rock!
> > Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 9:40 AM
> > 
> > 
> > That was one of my favorite shows when I was younger!  I always felt bad
> > for the little guys who built the crystal things--those inconsiderate
> > Fraggles.  Does everyone remember the mean human/ogre-ish people who
> lived
> > above ground?  My roommate my freshman year's mother looked just like the
> > wife.  I was afraid to tell her b/c I didn't want to offend her, but
> > fortunately we had a good sense of humor about it and would always sing
> > "down in fraggle rock" when her parents visited.  Okay.  I'm done
> rambling
> > now!
> > 
> > Ginger :)
> > 
> > Ginger Nance                       
> > gnance at email.unc.edu                       
> > http://www.unc.edu/~gnance                              
> >                    
> > 
> > 
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From Bellequasi at xxx.com  Sat Jan 30 03:16:23 1999
From: Bellequasi at xxx.com (Bellequasi at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:16:23 EST
Subject: Sinister: sorry about the fraggles
Message-ID: <dde37f7.36b27987@aol.com>


i'm quite suprised that some of you have gotten made about this.  all i wrote
was that isobel and mokie the fraggle have extremely similar singing voices.

sorry if my comment started quite a lovely ball rolling .  i thought it was
time to hear something other than "i am soo ultra hip blah blah blah"

kristie
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From mandrew2 at xxx.com  Thu Jan 28 03:30:49 1999
From: mandrew2 at xxx.com (Matthew Andrew)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:30:49 -0700
Subject: Sinister: fraggle rock!
Message-ID: <199901300339.UAA11190@mail.elp.rr.com>


you know, i hate flames, and don't intend this as one, but i certainly
don't think a message about how you hate something is more fun for us to
read than those messages you hated.  and i don't think any of us should
take it upon ourselves to control what the others are talking about.  if
everyone else hear feels differently i suppose i'll hear about it.  take it
easy

----------
> From: The Trainspotter <tdzF94 at xxx.edu>
> To: Matthew Andrew <mandrew2 at elp.rr.com>
> Cc: Ginger Nance <gnance at email.unc.edu>; sinister at majordomo.net
> Subject: Re: Sinister: fraggle rock!
> Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 8:01 PM
> 
> 
> 
> ok, this fraggle rock thing is making me (and i'msure a lot of you nuts).
> any questions - plesae go to the fraggle rock web site for.  as for the
> taste of the doozers buildings - i'm sure they taste like radishes
because
> that's what they are made from.  
> the doozers livihood rests upon the fraggles eating their work.
> enough already.  if you think it's twee or cute it's not.  cuter things
> I've done in my sleep. if this is the first your hearing of a listee
> complains 'ccause everyone else I know who hates this schtuff just has
all
> the people who post this boring and unrelated drivvel on their filter
> lists and those listees get sent to the trash - I do'nt have the
> convenience right how because my laptop is in for repairs.  and enen tho
I
> don't have to pay for each message like a lot of kids do - 277 messages
in
> my inbox in something like 3 days is not a pretty sight.
> 
> sigh.  stretch fingers out.  
> 
> IN related to B&S news somewhat - I got my silkscreening stuff so we're
on
> the road to cute t-shirtsville.  If you have an idea for a listee shirt
> feel free to e-mail me - although the graphically inclined might do
better
> to send tho attached .jpgs and .gifs to modsproject at yahoo.com.  I can
post
> them all up on my e-zine sight and those of you kids who are going to get
> involved with the project o any degree (even if it's just getting a
> t-shirt sent to you) - can vote.
> the local mall is having a sale on t-shirts for something like 3.50 or
> 3.70 so nows the time to get this together (plus my work for the semester
> has not yet piled on).  the t-shirts i've seen that have been so cheap
are
> youth sizes.  I got a youth L - about a adultS - ie. if you got a stow
> college shirt in S - this isabout the same size./  I know they also have
> adult t-shirts - I think they are 5.50 or something, and youth XL.  If
> loads of people want to get one I can ask the shop for a discount or even
> get it done at the printshop in town.  SO that's basically it.  alex - I
> have loads of good indie shirt cat-o-log places - tell me what you're
> looking for.  and kids - the new Looper single comes out on my birthday -
> March 8th! woo hoo.  
> 
> -t.e.r.i.,
> 
> Spatula9 - We're on the ball and we don't make you eat brie - 
> interested in doin' a bit of the zine work - writer, ranter, colour-er,
> massage slaves - please e-mail teri at javanet.com and dutifully note your
> interests - positions already filled include: sending letters to rick
> astley on hair care advice, feeding my cat, erm, i mean , oo...
> 
> 
> 
> http://hampshire.edu/~tdzF94/ -  Inspired by the writings of the 
> eighteeth century Venetian gambler, eroticist and spy.
> 
> "The day didn't go too well. Too many chocolates and cigarettes, I kept
> thinking of you and almost walking into lampposts." Pulp
> 
> "Follow me through a city of frost covered angels
> I swear I have nothing to prove
> I just want to dance in your tangles
> To give me some reason to move" NMH
> 
> On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Matthew Andrew wrote:
> 
> > 
> > one time they tried to stop eating the dozer's buildings, but the
dozers
> > quickly became over-crowded and asked the fraggles to start eating them
> > again.  i think the oger-thing was a trash heap, and that's what they
> > called it
> > 
> > ----------
> > > From: Ginger Nance <gnance at xxx.edu>
> > > To: sinister at majordomo.net
> > > Subject: Sinister: fraggle rock!
> > > Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 9:40 AM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > That was one of my favorite shows when I was younger!  I always felt
bad
> > > for the little guys who built the crystal things--those inconsiderate
> > > Fraggles.  Does everyone remember the mean human/ogre-ish people who
> > lived
> > > above ground?  My roommate my freshman year's mother looked just like
the
> > > wife.  I was afraid to tell her b/c I didn't want to offend her, but
> > > fortunately we had a good sense of humor about it and would always
sing
> > > "down in fraggle rock" when her parents visited.  Okay.  I'm done
> > rambling
> > > now!
> > > 
> > > Ginger :)
> > > 
> > > Ginger Nance                       
> > > gnance at email.unc.edu                       
> > > http://www.unc.edu/~gnance                              
> > >                    
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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From burgr at xxx.net  Sat Jan 30 05:25:16 1999
From: burgr at xxx.net (Ben Chess)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 05:25:16 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Traveling Matt
Message-ID: <v03007802b2d7f673df78@[12.76.102.114]>


Wow!

Over Thanksgiving break I had been in Florida with not much else to do, so
we went to a museum with a Jim Henson exhibit.  They had a lot of cool
Henson stuff, including actual (!) doozers and doozer towers.  The detail
on those things were amazing.  Each one had a little tiny calculator by
Sharp or something on their tool belt.

But by far, my favorite part of Fraggle Rock was Traveling Matt... ya know,
Gobo's uncle who traveled all over earth reporting on us "strange
creatures." I wish I had a Traveling Matt that sent me postcards wherever
he went...

A splendid first post if I do say so myself,
ben


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From rap101 at xxx.uk  Sat Jan 30 11:32:16 1999
From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:32:16 +0000 ()
Subject: Sinister: this is no declaration...
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.990130112647.-75913C-100000@cst017.york.ac.uk>



...i just thought i'd let you know goodbye.

it's just not working out between us...
it's not you, it's me...
i couldn't make you happy...
i just need some space...
i love you, but i'm not IN love with you...
let's be friends...

and by the way, i was faking it.

yes, sadly i have to leave you listerines. finals approach and i just
haven't got time any more.

PLEASE keep mailing me privately anyone who wants to.

take care, perhaps we'll meet again in the new millenium. love always,
archel xxx
 
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From carrick44 at xxx.com  Sat Jan 30 05:57:08 1999
From: carrick44 at xxx.com (Carrick C Blair)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:57:08 EST
Subject: Sinister: Happiness
Message-ID: <19990130.000611.4591.4.carrick44@juno.com>


(Was titled Happiness Stan, but I think there 
has been a block on Stans for awhile. Or a thousand 
apologies if your getting this twice.)

Hi

I better get this all out before the spirit leaves me 
yet again and I let another week slip by without sending 
out any words of any sort. There's been a few things 
that I've meant to respond to so, here it goes...

Let me see, to start....

St. Etienne
The best thing about the show in NYC was the lack of 
beats and the back up singers.

JAMRS (hey that's almost JAMMS, wasn't that a group of
some sort?)
Wonderful, beautiful, and only a month and a half old. Almost 
two months. Best moments so far have been waking up after  
a short evening nap to hear its beautiful melody wafting  
through the air and hearing it on repeat as we drove 
through the Pennsylvania countryside cautiously drinking 
our Newcastles. (and yes we were merely passengers on 
this particular journey, and we weren't going very far 
actually, just down to the pub, I guess I should say bar, but 
it did feel somewhat like a pub; ale, darts, a fire, etc.)

The Pastels
Might as well start at the beginning, or almost the beginning 
and get Suck On. Its still available in all its two versions of Baby 
Honey glory.

Tshirts
The boy/girl cartoon one is the only one that works. Why do you 
think those were the ones stolen in Manchester? They were 
looking to score with the sensitive boy/girl set.

The Stans
Sorry Tag, your wrong just like you were wrong about Daft 
Punk.  And Keith, your wrong just like you were wrong about.... 
erm, I can't think of a time when you have ever been wrong. 
That's kind of frightening.

No, not very funny, not very funny at all. 'Sensitive' was kinda 
cute in vague sort of way. And it would have been a little 
funnier about five-ten years ago, but certainly we've gotten 
past this whole sensitive, not sensitive, anorak, not anorak 
and actually I'm really HARD so SCREW you! attitude. But 
buy the end, especially how it ended with all sorts of cheap 
shot meanness directed at one Mr. McMick (someone who 
I haven't heard say a mean word about anyone, except maybe 
Lord Anthony, and that was just a average word) and his 
lovely pal Megan, it all sort went sour.  Worst of all, these kind 
of posts remind me of the Indie-Pop list, the later years. 
Very sad.

Actually the only part that was actually truly laugh out loud funny, 
was a reply by one of the Jessica's, though it might not have 
been a Jessica. The one about boys who think going out on a 
date means going record shopping, etc. That was funny, true to 
life, clever way to poke fun at the whole sensitive boy issue. Its 
something that will stick in my head, and didn't take cheap 
shots at other peoples expense. The other stuff was just lazy 
humor. 

And just how we will not tolerate lazy comparisons to 
Nick Drake, or lazy POP music in general, we should not 
tolerate lazy humor.

End of lecture. Sorry about that, I usually don't get involved in 
these sorts of squabbles, and I went a bit over the top there 
at the end. Honey, feel free to write me to say I'm out of line. 
You see, I'm feeling somewhat fired up, having just received 
a book by the Duke. That's fired up in a good, positive way.

bye
sorry about the length, blah blah blah.

Carrick

ps Soon to follow, hopefully. A story about B&S, a 16 year old 
girl, and THE WHO. 

pps and, by the way, what every happened to Jon G and his 
sister? They disappeared around the time of the UK gigs the 
best I can remember.


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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Sat Jan 30 10:58:18 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:58:18 -0800
Subject: Sinister: trying to live like Pippi Longstocking
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Keith said.......Hmm, seems like a difference of opinion here Geoffrey, I
thought they were
both hilarious. Well funny, indeed the first Sensitive Stan thing was one of
the funniest things I've read on the list in a while. Full marks for taking
the piss - whoever it is.
...................I'd have to agree with the keithmonster, as well as that
other person who said Stan was funny?  anyway,  You have no idea how much
that  post brightened my life.  And sadly, the reason is probably that i
relate  personally to Stan and his kin.  when i was a wee lass, I still held
out hope that i could find me a boyfriend THAT sensitive and shy.  i've
since mostly given up, but i still love sensitive boys.  if you all knew how
much like Stan I was, you'd probably never talk to me again.  ironically,
the "special friend" who allows stan to post here, probably is makiing
derisive fun of those types, but regardless, it still brought an incredible
amount of joy to my day, so thank you.  as long as it's not run into the
ground. comedy is a most subtle medium.  Unless you're a fan of Gallagher.

m.elise says......his sensitive gestures and
constantly calm face...he nodded at me once and i fell back against a wall
terribly smitten and out of breath...i wish i could wake up to him every
morning and read him oscar wilde poetry and fairy tales every night...

.........Yes, did anyone ever read the wilde fairy tale, the nightingale and
the rose? it's fairly devastating.  it was in a book of animal stories i had
when i was a kid, which was actually strangely disturbing, there were some
bizarre ones in there.  i remember reading that one whilst my dad was
playing the Elvis Costello album "Almost Blue(??)" because my favorite song
was "a good year for the roses".  I was a wee lass then.  The student in the
story would have made a good b&s fan, cept he lived in the 18th century or
something.  read it.  You'll weep in your earl  grey tea. Sebastian himself
could have written it.

oh, i didn't know there was going to be a listee t-shirt.  I must stick my
nose in and see what is going on round there.   I was thinking abotu making
a t-shirt out of my ripoff of the cartoon design.  instead of belle and
sebastian, it has chauncey and gertrude, my beloved children.  Very
adorable.  Very close to copyright infringement.  =)

Overheard conversations from a bizarre little man:
the movie "she's all that" comes out to day. gotta see if i can find someone
that will see that. oh and kellie mentioned when we were gonna see

.........Umm.. did anyone get the idea reading this post that we weren't
supposed to read this? please, dear God, tell me that someone does NOT want
to see that Damned piece of filth film!!!   I know *one(* little bunny who
should be feeling very ashamed right now......for you american listees maybe
you know what i am rattling about.  this is what we tried to get away from
in the blasted '80's, it's going to put weird art girls back at least 50
years and turn  away all the progress we've made at getting an inkling of
integrity and respect. ibet the girl in the movie starts out liking b/s, and
then the popular jock asshole dresses her up like a teen whore, and she
begins dancing to Bon Jovi.  I wrote a play to that  effect when i was
younger, the girl had a lobotomy, and she didn't want to listen to MOrrissey
anymore.  Quite tragic.

Abba *do* rule.  hooray for earnest pop.
 thank you erica for the nice snip of poem, it's either keats or yeats, i
never can tell those two apart but i like that one.  i heard a good song by
My life Story once.
Louise, I enjoyed your story.  and weejay sent me, so i'll be knocking soon.
  WHO was that who said "Bridget Jones-ism"?? you mean THE bridget jones??
i'm tingly wondering.
I was just this othe rday thinking of buying a cesaria Evora record.  she
looks so adorable on the cover of them, like the mom you wished you had.
yes lovely.

I wonder who has me on their death filter.

Cynthia, if you know where i can find one of those bookstraps, i'd be happy
to live out your fantasy, so long as fluffy is willing to take upas well.
I'll bring my badtz-maru pencil case.  it's metal.  so nice.
 lesleyjo

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From charlobarlo at xxx.com  Sat Jan 30 10:32:14 1999
From: charlobarlo at xxx.com (Charlotte Leaud)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:32:14 PST
Subject: Sinister: Tami and Stan, a cautionary tale
Message-ID: <19990130103215.25040.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hello List

I^�m a new subscriber, but not new to your funny little ways.  I^�ve been 
going through the archives out of curiosity.  Anyway, I finally went out 
and got myself a computer for home and now I can join in the fun. I^�m 
Charlotte, I live in London, and I^�ve been a Belle and Sebastian fan for 
a while now.  I wish this didn^�t sound like ^�my name^�s Charlotte and I^�m 
an alcoholic^�.

Petula wrote:

>I'm all for Tami and Stan. Perhaps some people are offended by them 
because
>they hit a little too close to home? Goodness knows I used to be a bit 
like
>our Tami, thinking a boy in an Another Sunny Day shirt would be the 
ultimate
>boyfriend. But "popboys" are usually not what they seem...they're 
either
>(from my experience):
>
>a) selfish mama's boys whose idea of a date is record shopping
>
>b) so into the "scene" that they ignore you at shows to talk to 
so-and-so
>from some fanzine or band, leaving you to sell their crappy fanzine at 
your
>table while you mind the coats and rucksacks
>
>c) they can only kiss with the lights out and "mood" music, i.e. Field 
Mice

This made me laugh and wince in painful recognition.  I met a few 
^�sensitive stans^� when I was younger, and when all the other boys are 
football lads, you think the one in the geeky glasses with the duffle 
bag is the answer to your prayers.  He likes the same music as you, 
he^�ll follow you round like a devoted puppy, and make you tapes with 
immaculate covers, listing all the dates and the record labels that the 
records came out on.  But after a while when you decide to make him a 
tape or you find a record that you like that wasn^�t made by four 
identikit boys with guitars and an (optional) girl singer with a bob, 
and it didn^�t come out in a polythene sleeve, he won^�t want to know, cos 
he^�s convinced that he^�s right, because he^�s the boy.  He^�ll laugh at 
you if you admit to the merest liking for something in the charts, or 
patronisingly correct you if you get the title of the third Felt LP 
wrong.  And when you go out to some indie show and you meet your 
friends, he^�ll sulk and say you^�re flirting.  Or he^�ll run off cos he^�s 
seen his friend who^�s got a record on some old indie label that he 
hasn^�t got and he^�ll ignore you all night.  That is if he goes out at 
all, normally he^�s at home putting his records in alphabetical order.  
If you^�re good, he might even let you do a half page in his fanzine, but 
woe betide you if you write better than him.  Slowly you see what an 
uptight little boy he is, he^�s only sensitive about himself, he takes 
himself far too seriously, can^�t laugh when someone teases him even 
nicely about his taste, because he thinks he^�s better, and you^�re his 
pupil and his trophy girlfriend.  You^�ll row, and he always has to have 
the last word, sometimes quite nastily and he won^�t understand why 
you^�re upset.  But then you finish with him, and you realise you didn^�t 
need him at all.  He won^�t learn, of course, but you will.

That^�s all, I^�ll try to be more light hearted in my next post.  Love 
Charlotte  xxx


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From honey at xxx.net  Sat Jan 30 12:08:48 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:08:48 +0000 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: The Great Fraggle Crash of 1999
In-Reply-To: <199901300339.UAA11190@mail.elp.rr.com>
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On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Matthew Andrew wrote:

> you know, i hate flames, and don't intend this as one, but i certainly
> don't think a message about how you hate something is more fun for us to
> read than those messages you hated.  and i don't think any of us should
> take it upon ourselves to control what the others are talking about.  

I keep saying this, and feel as if I have a handkerchief in my mouth,
but the correct response when you're not happy about list content, is
to (a) mail the person privately and with panache, and/or (b) mail me
about it.  Mailing the list just provokes responses on-list and
no-one wants *another* re-run of that argument about what lists are
about to happen ON the list - beware that it might get worse than
endless re-runs of Fraggle Rock.  Plus if someone mails me it makes
me feel less of a meanie when I knock on the door and ask for the
hifi to be turned down.

Having said all that, the Fraggle Rock thing certainly left ME
frazzled - it went on far too long for a lot of people on the list,
and I expect you as good little list bunnies to spot that and let it
lie a good few megabytes ago - as per the hopeful prods in the FAQ you
received when you joined the list.  No more fraggling please.

I thank you.

Honey x

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From kittridge at xxx.com  Sat Jan 30 16:13:50 1999
From: kittridge at xxx.com (Matthew Broszkowski)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:13:50 -0500
Subject: Sinister: [Fwd: Fw: Virus Warning]
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hey everyone, 
	be very careful
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From honey at xxx.net  Sat Jan 30 18:17:25 1999
From: honey at xxx.net (Honey)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:17:25 +0000
Subject: Sinister: [Fwd: Fw: Virus Warning]
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Matthew Broszkowski wrote:
> 
> hey everyone,
>         be very careful
> 
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> 
> Subject: Fw: Virus Warning


This virus warning is a HOAX like almost every other one you will see
distributed round the Internet - that's why the FAQ for this list says
don't send them to the list - send them to me instead.  I'm sending this
out just to try and catch any of you before you send it on - DON'T, the
only virus is you sending it on to friends.  Delete it.

Honey
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From sarah at xxx.uk  Sat Jan 30 16:19:15 1999
From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:19:15 +0000
Subject: Sinister: FOR THE LADS!
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Hello List!

Hehehe! Did David say some time ago he was writing a B&S family tree?
Tough Poo I've beaten you to it! Hooohooo yes.....I think its brilliant,
and covers all *I* want to know about B&S anyway. I don't believe in all
that Stow nonsense. yeah fight! *splutter* 

Much more plausible are Kajagoogoo, Judas Priest, PEANUTS IN MY ICE
CREAM, Struan and the Bright Colours, Men Without Hats, and real ale
wars taking over oooh a whole two pubs! The only think I'm a bit sad
about is the fact that PEANUTS IN MY ICE-CREAM don't really exist. They
were a funk group featuring Funkadelic (durr), Smelly Stuart Dee, Chris
Gee, and Richard Cee. They wrote a song called "Deres nuttin wrong with
mah Rodddddeny". OOh yes my imagination is such a good place to be!

This Rock Family Tree will be appearing in my fanzine as soon as
possible cos I have to hand the bugger in NEXT week - argh. And it will
appear on-line....whenever I can be bothered. Hooray! I've now got most
of my pages done! Who's going to buy it then....um...bugger.

>To quote John McKeown of the yummy fur (bear with me  here) "Chart pop 
>targets are a mile wide and there's no satisfaction  in hitting them" that's to 
>say that while you (and I frankly) find these  people boring they are on OUR 
>side i.e they are making music for  arts sake unlike 75% of the people in the 
>chart 

*cough* Bollocks. BOLLOCKS! Gay Dad making music for ARTS sake! Gomez!
Music for Art!!!! Oh lord. DUKE WHERE ARE YOU TO SHOUT? Please join in,
I know it may get boring but oh my golly oh my golly Gomez are souless
boring people who make music because a few tunes sound alright, might as
well bang em out, people can't want anything BETTER cos it's not getting
in teh charts is it??? Doh!

*ahem* Me and Lesely Jo walking about with "bookstraps"? Is it like a
jockstrap? I don't need one of those. And if it's anything like an Arab
Strap, sorry Lesely...I'll be washing my hair....do you mean kneehigh
socks as well? Never! They're only worn when they are just above the
knee by trendy schoolies in puffa jackets (eurgheurgh chiz). Darn.

I've got a Hello Kitty pencil case! Ha! And I was dead pleased untill
Rach told me it was rip-off Sanrio. What do you expect for I live in a
Hello Kitty wasteland although apparently! They are sellign HK in Mis
Selfridge! Bummer to them though. Cos it will only be in tiny weeny tee
shirts which I can't wear for I'm a lardy biffer. Claires Accesories has
HK nail polish though, and lickly Keroppi hair thingies....nice eh?

Too long! One last comment - FOR THE LADS! Keith I love that saying and
I am trying to use it whenever I can. I'm going out tonight! I shall say
it lots!
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
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From Snowinsumr at xxx.com  Sat Jan 30 22:05:38 1999
From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:05:38 EST
Subject: Sinister: "...i saw you in my dreams last night..."
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dear "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" diary...
I wish that when I woke up every morning that the day was already planned into
some wonderful belle and sebastian-esque song lyric...i could be lazy line
painter jane one day...getting married to keep a child from being
deported...going around not loving anyone...turning tables around in mark's
and spencer's...etc...etc...wouldn't that be grand? so sincerely lovely!

just a quick thought...
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From bradleybaron at xxx.com  Sat Jan 30 23:04:05 1999
From: bradleybaron at xxx.com (Bradley Kenneth Baron)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:04:05 -0600
Subject: Sinister: How to talk sinister
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One -- use the word "bollocks" as often as possible. Also "smashing" and any
other  British slang will do. Say you read all the time, preferably Kafka's
"The Trial." As well, anything by Dostoevsky and Twain are now acceptable.

Do people here have to start out being fake by reading the Smiths list, or
can you jump into it here? Sorry if this is in the FAQ.

Belle and Sebastian are going to be VH-1 Artist of The Month in March, and
their new video for Dirty Dream 2 will be in heavy rotation on MTV and large
corporate alterna-rock stations in the next few weeks.





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From mctag at xxx.com  Sat Jan 30 23:35:22 1999
From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:35:22 GMT
Subject: Sinister: How to talk bollocks
Message-ID: <36b39587.74059223@post.demon.co.uk>


Some smart arse wrote:

>How to talk sinister 

>One -- use the word "bollocks" as often as possible. Also "smashing" and any
>other  British slang will do.

I don't suppose it's occured to you that some of us are British and
talk like that anyway.  It may surprise you to learn that we have got
computers over here, 

Grow up

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From giita2 at xxx.com  Sat Jan 30 16:40:10 1999
From: giita2 at xxx.com (Aileen Hammond)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:40:10 PST
Subject: Sinister: Love B&S? -> Love Eric´s Trip
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Hi Sinisters,
The reason I�m writing is to tell you about this beautiful 
soft-lovelost-lo-Fi band called Eric�s Trip.  I fell in-love with this 
band some years ago when I was lost and found..So if you like the sweet 
soft voice of Stuart M. and Isobel�s child-like voice..you will 
definitely fall for ERIC�S TRIP. ..A Canadian band from SubPop 
Records..Unfortunatly the band have stopped playing together :( ...
BUT we still have their sweet music. Their music: Warm-4track-broken 
love songs whith little bits of rock-filled-stars..They left us 4 
beautiful albums : Love Tara, Long Days Ride till Tomorrow, Forever 
Again, Purple Blue + loads of EP�s and 7"...
The band members are now working seperately/solo. Their bands:
Elavator To Hell, Broken Girl/Julie Doiron, Moonsocket and Purple 
Knight.
Leave room in your love-filled-heart for Eric�s Trip..

If there are any Sinisters who have seen them live, have any Eric�s Trip 
stories, or have any live tapes to copy, I would love to hear from you.

yours, Giita

P.S. Sorry about the non-B&S content..

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From jimgrund at xxx.fr  Sat Jan 30 17:30:29 1999
From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:30:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Hello, I'm new
Message-ID: <199901301730.SAA05847@front6.grolier.fr>


Hello sensitive people from the biscuit-fraggling list, 
I‘m new to this list and just wanted to say „Hello, I‘m new to this list“ and introduce myself.
So.
 My name is Jan Imgrund, I‘m 24, a german living in Paris. I love B&S, Tindersticks (seems to be 
the obligatory couple?!), L Cohen and Oscar Wilde, though the latter never sang in public (by the 
way, the story with the nightingale is available on the internet, at 
http://www.bibliomania.com/Fiction/wilde/stories/index.html . But don‘t go reading it there – you 
must read it from an old, leather-wrapped book with beautiful illustrations in it. Tears look very 
good on the pages, whereas they can destroy keyboards.)
I love this list already – people who write endless messages with complete sentences, actually 
spelling out „laugh out loud“, not a single emoticon :-)...
Sorry for that.
I think I‘ll shut up now for 2 more weeks, as I‘ve been told.
Too bad I‘ve missed sensitive Stan – I think I would have liked him...
Regards,

Jan Imgrund/ http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/index.html

"I hope you have not been leading a double life, pretending to be wicked and 
really being good all the time. That would be hypocrisy."   -Oscar Wilde
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From pookie59 at xxx.com  Sat Jan 30 19:56:41 1999
From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:56:41 PST
Subject: Sinister: "stuart murdoch was wearing nothing but a smile"
Message-ID: <19990130195642.5825.qmail@hotmail.com>


it's a new world,list...

you know,maybe it's the music that creates such a warm longing for good 
old times,nostalgia..but i've never seen such a list that was 'I'm 25 
and I'm old!' Lord Almighty! you're just pups!  Sure there's loads of 
kids running around doing loads of things,promising futures (that 
Italian boy with the golden feet) and I wish I'D been a top ballerina or 
a world-cup player but is it really because you love whatever they get 
to be doing at a young age,or is it the glamour and fame etc etc the 
sparkling profession that rises you up above the others,or is it a 
desire more ego thing to be the best because if it's just the latter 
then it wouldn't really make you happy anyways...LIFE IS TOO PRECIOUS 
sweethearts don't cry over what could've been,enjoy life,now,..even the 
simple,un-glittery moments...

"Thankyou, go-getter genevieve!" errr..yes,sorry about that little above 
outburst,don't know what came over me.

Oh Tami..I couldn't help you with Physics..i also had my midterms,and 
FAIL FAIL miserable fail...and math...I REALLY do not think teachers 
should take marks off if you had the  right answer but did normal 
brackets instead of squiggely ones..sigh,french is the only thing savig 
my sorry behind. I mean..futher on girls vs boys..girls..POO..I wish I 
looked like Serge Gainsbourg,then I could seduce all those embittered 
teachers,help them discover themselves and pass..but seriously,i am 
upset,i can do better..i know i can.

you know,when i have children,the main thing i will do is not let them 
watch a lot of tv..i don't CARE if they aren't prodigys,or gold 
medalists. I will certainly never let them have teletubbies,those things 
are tools of evil! poor things,have to be brainwashed so early? if 
anything,i think father ted would teach them more,develop a nice sense 
of humour...and i would also let them watch nature programs,those help 
you learn. 

award shows are really starting to bother me lately! before i used to be 
mesmeriszed by all the pretty clothing,but now,just looking at all these 
"brilliant" actors..i don't know,i'm a mild-mannered person but i think 
i'd just like to grab their prada purses smack em upside the head and 
say something badass like "up it,bitch" (a bit of stuart murdoch OOMPH!) 
i mean,their shows stink.

I'm so excited at the prospect of Roolz.I can't wait till my hunky 
life-sized poster of keith in pink leg warmers arrives! the mere 
thought!And the Roolze 'Fun Factz' sheet,where you get to find out that 
windswept tag likes puppies,making sweet love and eating jam straight 
from the jar... is it only going to be the two members then? make sure 
you don't go to far down that savage garden route, we want sexy sexy 
sexy!

anyways,so when's the new Belle and Sebastian competietion?i've got a 
neat-o idea for a prize.. the prize for the new competetion would let 
the winner have dinner with stuart david and then get to sing 'je 
t'aime...moi non plus' with him.

stuart murdoch and stuart david are starring in an adult film.(it's 
true,i swear) stu m will be mister bojangles and stu d will be captain 
gingersnap.

it'll be nice when Tigermilk's released again, (but sweet matthew's tape 
has made the wait bearable)..but let's not kill ourselves here,at the 
end of the day vinyl..original..money..whatever, does it matter!?

love and wishes,
genevieve

p.s
Sensitive Stan, I'll be your girlfriend! If i go to far and i touch your 
bountifull bosom you can slap me. we can even go up into the 
lighthouse,old  man withers might stare at you,(he lives there)but it's 
just because he's lonely.

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From lost_madflowr at xxx.com  Sun Jan 31 09:30:42 1999
From: lost_madflowr at xxx.com (lost madflowr)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 01:30:42 PST
Subject: Sinister: my third 'real' party [in washington dc] mildly b+s related
Message-ID: <19990131093044.27154.qmail@hotmail.com>


oddest night.

thought i would tell the sinister ones about it.
dun think the RHML could handle it at the moment. ha!
tonight i went to my third party where people were drinking.
sort of funny being poison-free (sXe without the edge to it).

it was my friend nathan's 27th birthday party. he's a doll.
it was quite nice. as i said...third party. first was in the
summer in long island with a wonderful girl called karyn who
i dearly love and she has not rang me back in a week or so. 
not so nice of a feeling. it was a night of stupid frat boys
playing beer pong in her friend's backyard and after we helped
her friend clean up. during the party we played radiohead really
loud and people were like 'man, play the new beasties record'
and we were like 'no.' and it was settled. nice. oh.

party number two was 31 dec 1998/1 jan 1999. it was spur of 
the moment and brad, martin, and i were bored and i remembered
that a sort of friend dominika had asked me to her party so i 
rang her and she told us to rush over, which we did. it was
rather silly and lots of people i knew from high school were
really tipsy and the musical choices were like janis joplin 
and jimi hendrix. i did not have much fun but it was new years.

party number three was nice. oh so nice. i don't know if any
of you sinisters are from washington, dc...but i am. well i'm
from a suburb but still...i am way close. this party was at 
nathan's on t street in NW. nice cozy townhouse deal. dc scenesters
all over the place. the same people i saw the night before at 
blonde redhead at the black cat. hehe. nathan is a lawyer, but
he can throw a par-tay. lots of good food, mostly vegan/vegetarian.

cos what else would scenesters eat? heh-heh. i bet at least
one person on sinister was at nathan's party. that would be
funny. anyways, the party was nice. this band played that was
the name of the girl who played and her name has completely
slipped my mind. sloppy in there u know. hmm. anyways, i had
been waiting forthe phone to ring for about an hour when it
finally did and it was natalia saying to come pick her nate,
and nancy up...i left immediately, hopped on 395 north and 
was on my way to dc. i swear whenever heading into dc i want
the petula clark song 'downtown' to blast, but it has only
came on the radio once on my way there. so appropriate. 

got to par-tay at like 11 cos there was NO parking anywhere
around. we ended up parking at R and 15th i believe. insane.
walk walk walk. nice amount of people were there. 40? some
number. it's always some number, you know. i have decided 
that i do not like the song 'the gate'. i just don't. hmm...
there were lots of non-alcoholic things to drink as well. 
i told nathan to get me like a coke, but he got loads of 
nice stuff. V8 anyone? it remained untouched. 

lots of indie rock boys with the aforementioned(on the list)
glasses. nice nice very nice i say/said. this boy johan was
there. i crushed on him so very badly last year at george
mason univ. i saw him sitting alone at the fountain a number
of times and one time i looked up from reading a book and 
there he was next to me and i could not muster up a thing
to say. how sad. anyhow, he was there. and john was there
too joking with me about how he was going to introduce me
to johan. not funny. there is a nice nice band from sweden?
i believe called johan. they were on the spin art sampler
a few years back. mm. but in any case, we were all dancing.
to wonderful tunes. really. the guy who was selecting music
got a really good mix and great stuff was played. 

suede, b+s, the stone roses, spiritualized [who are better
on record than live imho], elliot smith...good tunes. incidentally
everyone i have ever asked has never heard of mr. scruff. 
.j On off the list told me to listen to them and wow, i'm
hooked. yeah. but that was a sidenote. if i were to write
novels half of them would be footnotes and sidenotes. this
dee jay guy played tons of b+s. cos me, natalia, nathan, rick,
nancy, and scenesters there all danced around and sang all 
the lyrics. wow that was neat. i am used to saying 'wow, i 
love b+s' and someone saying 'who?' good stuff. anyhow, i 
am quite tired. it is 4:17 am. my brother has like a TON of
people in the basement cos our parents were out of town tonight
celebrating their anniversary. wow. so i think there was
drinking. i can't be sure. i scurried in quite quickly cos
my brother is embarassed by me. he says 'she likes _______
that no one has ever heard of,' to describes the films and
the bands that i like. blah. 

i wonder how long this hyena girl will be laughing.

i just wrote this in #permanent_daylight the radiohead chatroom
on DALnet for anyone who cares...
<madflowr> there is some ho laughing downstairs.
<madflowr> like a hyena.
<madflowr> i hope she chokes on beer.

err. i am not usually that mean, but she does laugh like a hyena.
4:20 am. eww. 'this is just a sorry lament...we're four boys in
our courdoroys, we're not terrific but we're competent.'   

okay. hello if there are any dc kids out there. maybe you were
at nathan's partay. heee. anyways, if you are in dc, go see sloan
at the black cat on 6 february. i should buy my ticket just to
assure that i get in. cos i love em. ooh lala. third time seeing
them hopefully. actually second and half cos i left early when i 
saw them in baltimore cos i had to chill with symposium who i miss
so much. err. err. sorry. i will not missthem at this time of night.

good night. thank you for reading the drivel. i suppose the point
is that belle and sebastian really made this party experience nice.
like they were there. isobel and the stuarts just sitting there and
making me feel nice and warm. and like i belonged. and i don't even
wear glasses. hmm well the boys wear em more than the girls do, but
my glasses are not nice. *scratches her eyes* contacts are a pain 
though. alright, good night. hello. good morning.

evolmadflowr

now taking dc hipster lessons from johan and they're cheap.;)

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From seaborne at xxx.nl  Sun Jan 31 11:11:07 1999
From: seaborne at xxx.nl (Koen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:11:07 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Boo Radleys split
Message-ID: <003501be4d0a$66de29c0$69866dc2@seaborne>


It's only natural, bands have a lifespan too, but still I feel saddened by
the end of the Boos. Some might say they should have called it a day
earlier, but I feel the follow-up to Kingsize could have been a masterpiece.
Oh well, at least they've left us Giant Steps and Wake Up!, two of the most
beautiful albums of the 90's.
Sorry for the non B&S content, but I had to share this news, and I suspect
there are some (closet) Boo lovers on this list.
http://members.tripod.com/~workshy/index.htm

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From polanski at xxx.nl  Sun Jan 31 13:32:24 1999
From: polanski at xxx.nl (polanski)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:32:24 +0100
Subject: Sinister: evie sands
Message-ID: <36B45B67.9A85C5C@tobin.demon.nl>


being one of the sole listees here in the low countries, i was just
chuffed to find out that evie sands plays the paradiso in amsterdam on
11 february, along with songwriter chip taylor.

my question to anyone (tag, this means you as well...), is it worth
making the trip up?  the tickets are only about four quid, so that's not
a concern...

so, who is familiar with her work a bit and could describe it loosely to
me?  always keen on making new discoveries...

cheers for now,

alex
http://come.to/polanski
http://www.tobin.demon.nl

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From ar981611 at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 31 14:42:32 1999
From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:42:32 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Set your videos (if you like Nick Drake)!!
Message-ID: <36B46BD8.485F02D7@student.paisley.ac.uk>


Don't think anyone else has mentioned this, but for those of you in
Britain, and interested, BBC2 are showing a documentary about Nick Drake
on Monday night at 11.15pm.

That's all.  No cheap shots at anyone, no "amusing" character
assassinations, no mention of underwear or what music I think we should
all be listening to.  Or failed attempts to imitate the style of vastly
over-rated authors.

I like people too much to be nasty about them/insult their
intelligence.  I don't belong here any more, do I?

It's been nice knowing you all (well most of you).  Those who wish to
continue mailing me privately, please do so.  I shall be lurking in the
archives from time to time, and I may come back in due course.  But for
now, life is too short to waste on cheap humour, so "unsubscribe
sinister" it is.

Prettiness, not pettiness, kids.  Remember that.

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From kellushk at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 31 16:37:51 1999
From: kellushk at xxx.uk (Kelly Anyfantaki)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:37:51 -0000
Subject: Sinister: step by step
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Hello sweeties,

Steps rule. Get the video tape now, where else can you find exclusive makeup
tips, cooking and being careful with the tins and of course the Dance
Routines, easy to rewind and learn, impress your friends and ameliorate your
social life (which is bound to be quite poor if you are Stan the sensitive
one).
Tigermilk sightings are ever so often in secondhand record shops. I know you
would like you to have it, but you don't want it. Or something.


Just do your best darlings,

Kelly

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From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 31 17:26:16 1999
From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:26:16 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Important shopping announcement
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From thunderw at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 31 21:55:08 1999
From: thunderw at xxx.uk (James)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:55:08 -0000
Subject: Sinister: too shy shy
Message-ID: <E1074qZ-00034Q-00@sand.global.net.uk>


Hello girls and boys
Well, I've just got back from a long weekend in York (very long actually,
it started on Wednesday), where I saw my friend play her first gig in her
fabby band Carolyn. Before I went I gave it a quick plug on the list but
I'm sure none of you remember that. Anyway while I was there I kept on
seeing a cute Belle and Sebastian boy in a Stowe t-shirt and a duffle coat
and some squarey specs and I wanted to go and say hello but I was just too
shy, so I didn't. And then me and Melanie got silly on red wine and after
giggling and falling and bouncing we drooped and moaned and wept because we
like shy boys (she has a shy boy too who's tall and lovely but too shy),
but we're shy too and so much pining happens and little else. This was just
a bit of my life I wanted to share with you. If the cute York Belle and
Sebastian boy is reading this sorry for labelling you shy - I've never even
met you. But you looked shy.

Doozer constructions are made out of potato starch.
The Bonnie 'Prince' Billy album is the most dark and beautiful thing you
are likely to hear for a long time.
Thats all.
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From hamibe02 at xxx.edu  Sun Jan 31 22:22:07 1999
From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E. Hamilton)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:22:07 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Lucidity
Message-ID: <002401be4d68$238970e0$ee941198@wfu.edu>


Fellow happy ones--

A nice boy that lives down the hall from me today walked into my room while
I was playing that sweet and precious horn solo from Beautiful.  He wanted
to know if my parents were hippies.  When I said no he asked me why I was
such a hipster.  He then asked me "What kind of music is this?".  I told him
it was hippie music and he left.  Oh well.

I am wearing my Mod shirt, modeled for the Who tour the year before last.
Lots of people ask me why I wear a target on my chest.  I say it's so people
can point me out in a crowd.  Then they look at me funny and kinda smirk.

Do any Sinister folk live near Winston Salem, North Carolina?  I go to Wake
Forest and the day I find a neato B&S boy or girl to talk is the day the
endowment drops below 6 billions trusty trinkets.

Anyone think it's possible to be too shy and sensitive?


love to you all,
blake

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
I'm sorry like atari...

"We try harder and harder, tryin' to get our way,  but it's a long, long
wait until Judgement Day.  So settle your affairs and take your time,
for everything in the world is yours and mine.  Yours and mine."
--Pete Townshend, '68

"I'm looking back and I can't see the past anymore, so hazy.
I'm on a track and I'm travelling so fast, oh for sure I'm crazy.
I will be immersed, queen of the fucking universe, and i don't
know what i have anymore, anymore than you do."
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From Jul09 at xxx.com  Sun Jan 31 22:34:59 1999
From: Jul09 at xxx.com (Jul09 at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:34:59 EST
Subject: Sinister: Greetings everyone
Message-ID: <99e96aa2.36b4da93@aol.com>


Hello all,
hmm, well I am new to this list so I just wanted to introduce myself...my name
is Julia and I am from new jersey, usa...
i've been a b&s fan for quite some time now, but I have just found out about
this list...I was at the show in philadelphia that was cancelled, it was a
very big disappointment, but i can only hope they will return soon...
alrighty well I just wanted so say hello to all the other fans out there...its
nice to know there are so many who appreciate such wonderful and amazing
music..
oh by the way, any fans from around my neck of the woods? 
until next time...

take care everyone,
Julia 
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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Sun Jan 31 23:12:47 1999
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:12:47 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake TV programme
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Hi Sinister Sisters & Brothers,

Apologies for this being nothing to do with our Beloved, but there is a
programme about the life of Nick Drake on BBC2 at 23:15 tomorrow (Tuesday).

I still love the 4 song fragment of the Black Sessions that R1 broadcast:
great clear sound, just like the band are really playing in my car, no
standing on tiptoes just to see - really pooh that they didn't transmit the
rest. (Sigh) Maybe one day - perhaps after they win an award on the Brits?

Love

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK 
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From keith at xxx.uk  Sun Jan 31 09:36:08 1999
From: keith at xxx.uk (Keith Watson)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:36:08 -0000
Subject: Sinister: gigtastic
In-Reply-To: <5EEF7F5C21@arts.gla.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <000601be4cfd$21b63a20$4e0129c2@sun.QSS>


>'tips in a g-string made my living'.

Oh no problem there. Me, Tag and JJ sat round listening to the great Man 2
Man meets Man Parrish's "Male Stripper" about 6 months ago in Tag's house,
what a classic record that is.

	Yes, we're off to Evie Sands, quite a load of us actually, however, we're
probably not gonna be able to meet up beforehand as it'll take us till about
7:30 to get there, so we figure a sly one afterwards. I know some people
wanted to go to the 13th Note, so maybe we'd better figure out where we're
going - hand up who's off to the 13th Note then...

	Carrick, just a small point, saying "I think Stan was funny" can in no way
make me wrong, since it is my opinion, and as far as I'm aware, having an
opinion cannot be wrong. If I'd said "You lot find Stan funny", I might well
have been wrong, since there's no way I could've possibly known. I don't
expect anyone to tell me what I think. Is that reasonable?



Thanks,
  Keith.


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From rebelstrange at xxx.Miller  Thu Jan 21 00:55:52 1999
From: rebelstrange at xxx.Miller (rebelstrange at xxx.Miller)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1999 16:55:52 -0800
Subject: Sinister: i hope your bottom is not big
Message-ID: <000701bae79b$37a33560$1411020a@rebelstrange>

and i hope my address hasnt' been kicked off the list yet...... but i'm
back anyway.  not quite in style, but still crushing like mad.  otday was a
weepy, crushy, wistful day.  but sunny.  i'm going to have to get used to
that. i didnt'  get any mail.  that was another bad thing.
i'm just waiting for my new sinisters to come in now.  i got forwarded the
Select article. that was lovely.  i didn't know that isobel was a style guru
now, but as well she might be, that much was clear from the VERY beginning.
as far as i could see.  i can see it so clearly now.......when i picked up
that Puncture mag for the Mary Timony cover, and happened upon the jenny
toomey article with a "wee"photo of  belle playing the  bass.  and i says to
myself, i says "this isobel gal is quite the firecracker, i do declare!"

i guess as far as sinister is concerned i wasn't here at the beginning by a
long shot, but i hope i wont' be kicked out when we all split into guerrilla
factions.  ;)  it's so lonely in the country, when all the brits are
gathering to be shy and have milkshakes with one another, and share pyjamas.
(i always liked that spelling  better)   at least the article didn't   quote
one of the many psychotic things i have posted to the list, that would have
been a shameful moment.  i flatter myself too much.
so i hear a certain james had himself a BALL at the gentle waves show in
beautiful london.  i'm so disapointed i have missed the  GW mania
discussions.  i'll have to  slog through the archives one of these days.
how i've misssed all of you and your idle prattling!  *hug*   (i see a lot
of you turning away in horror at that prospect)
now i'll have to look up my things that i have to send to Mummy.  it will be
fun.

and remember,  belle and sebastian are not gods. they are people like you
and me.  very humble, utterly normal, ultra-bionic hard-pumping liquid metal
sex machines!

I've been listening to pussy power. i like it very much.  i like chan
marshall. i like girls who cry.  people who cry are the cutest.  i should
know.
Sigh!!! you should see all the Ye-ye dresses i got in pittsburgh.  i'm going
to be a go-go dancer.  now i need a pinafore.  i have a thing that i thought
was a pinafore, but i stupidly didn't try it on, and it is far too small.  i
cried that evening.   maybe i should get my hair done blonde.  i had no idea
there wa sa trend of isobel clones.  how come there can't be any where i
live?   but i bet they are all cheap, i bet hardly any of them can play the
guitar or the cello much less!!   "bargain isobel."   i recall when my
friends and i went to a blur show in STL.....even in that backwoods city we
had a whole crew of Damon albarn clones shuffling about.  it was quite a
sight to see. that night we also saw two girls holding hands......how
adowabow**)

OHHHHHH i need some GW gear to go with my adidas track suit and gold chains.
can jeepster  hook me up??
Exactly what is candyfloss?  is it in fact CANDY?

since americans always go on about how sexy foreign accents are, i wondered
a question for all the furriners out there: do other countries find the
flat-as-pancakes american accent makes the blood boil?

that's enough garbage from me, jus ta note to say i'm   back and  i'm glad
to be.  not that anyone cared.....


LJ
(maybe soon i can finally update my homepage, and the wee world as well....)
(i have a new pen pal.....or so i'd like to believe)

http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange
The boat that brings us here will crack beneath your weight. This is
territory you cannot invade.
--JW
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From Spiketooth at xxx.uk  Sat Jan  2 20:01:51 1999
From: Spiketooth at xxx.uk (Greig Marshall)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:01:51 +0000
Subject: Sinister: And now for a shy hello.
Message-ID: <368E7B2F.51128EDB@PVCweb.co.uk>

Hello Belle and Sebastianarians!

Remember that bit in Interview with a Vampire, where Pitt's character
finds the huge collection of vampires after thinking he was one of very
few? This is a bit like that for me, but I doubt very much I'll have to
set you on fire. Absolutely not.

My name is Greig Marshall etc. I am but a hatchling in the great nest of
Sinister, wide-eyed and naive, but determined to learn the ways of
Sebastianism.

Chirp chirp. Chirp.

Some TENUOUSLY B&S related content:

Anyone read Nalda Said? A few friends and I (note the proper grammar - I
want to impress you all as I'm just out of the nursery) found out about
Looper playing in Virgin's Glasgow megastore to advertise the book. We
went purely for the music, but I was so enchanted by one of Nalda's
stories which was read aloud to us that I bought the book.

I'm sad to say that I'm between crushes at the moment. If you would like
to get into my underwear, my ICQ# is: 38961061

I better look at the archives to spare us all the Wrath of Honey by
mentioning something which has already been pondered over.

I'll cease my chirping before the foxes find me.

Greig xx (following an apparent twee Sinister tradition of leaving
kisses despite being a bloke. I guess machismo should be left in the
pub.)



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From Spiketooth at xxx.uk  Wed Jan  6 12:05:11 1999
From: Spiketooth at xxx.uk (Greig Marshall)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 12:05:11 +0000
Subject: Sinister: B&S Content fest!
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NME's website is chock full of news concerning B&S AND Looper AND The
Gentle Waves. Blimey. All credit for this info goes to said music rag,
the article itself is there for your perusal at:

http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/20000203135402.html

>From what I can gather, the album's been finnished, they're
concentrating on packaging/artwork now. The B&S album should be released
late spring/summer (Which probably means late summer/autumn). Nice.

The new Looper albumn will be called "Geometrid", "various" members of
B&S have contributed to Stuart D's baby. Due for release beginning of
May. Mr David is the only one to have titled his album, it would seem.

This summer will also see the release of a new as yet untitled Gentle
Waves album.

The box set will cost 9.99 of the Queen's finest on March 6th. Do I
really have to wait a month? I'm buying it as I only have their albums.
I can see how it's a source of debate for peeps who already have one or
more of the included EPs.

Phew, I better have a lie down.

Greig

PS I suspect you already knew all this, but just to be sure, you know.


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