From tourajsig2 at xxx.com Tue Jun 1 00:43:16 1999 From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Haysi Chimpanzee Message-ID: <19990531234316.17069.rocketmail@web103.yahoomail.com> Mother ? Can y‘ear me, mother ? Another richly textured weekend of Sinister and Sinister-inspired shenanigans... **Friday** El Deano swilled, gargled and spat before oozing the following minty-fresh words: > this all happened on the way back from the gig last night. pam, bowlie > bus pam and friends in some church hall in greenwich. you should've been > there, it was largely empty. and pam got to sing one with the jasmine > minx which i doubt she'd've thought possible all those years ago when > they had those classic creation singles out (they did 'cold hands, warm > heart' which pretty much made the evening). S’right - a handful of intrepid souls donned breathing apparatus and ventured into the Tubeless hinterland of south-east London to patronise our little pop show at St Alfege’s Church Hall. These ecclesiastical types are clearly rolling in it - the kitchen was fitted out with the shiniest Smeg cooker you’ve ever seen. Collection to mend the church roof ? Pah. Highlight for me was inevitably the entire Pines set, especially the spine-tingling Julie London number. Dr Joe B, who didn’t stick around long enough to graduate from the Sinister nursery but got justly rewarded for his time at Birkbeck, picking out delicious jazz chords and the spectral presence to his right all velvety and cucumber-cool. But I might be biased. A bit. **Saturday** An afternoon of cheese-related japery dissolved into an evening sojourn to Basingstoke through the fiercest electrical storm this side of Okie. Mr FatSlug of this parish plied us with dipping substances and beer as we soaked up the pizazz of Eurovision on *two* televisions. Oh, the howls of derision as it became clear that the Swedish "silicon mermaid" (Giita’s perfect description, if memory - and the message box open in the other window - serves) had outscored Iceland’s perky effort. Abba revival fever and nothing more. More disturbing was the decision of the entire French nation to award the hideous spectacle of Portugal’s entry a full 12 points. Which, I think, was all they got from 23 rounds of voting. Bizarre. Lots of monkey business on the last train back to Waterloo, but you wouldn’t want to know about that. **Sunday** The weather Gods did not smile on SE10 for the Sinister picnic. The Young Gods did, but we told them to piss off. The previous day’s flag-cracking currantbunny scorcher had given way to a grey pall and a distinct nippyness. A view of Canary Wharf and a sparkly Trousers-helmed popquiz was not enough to persuade the multitude to further dampen their behinds, so, through Observatory and Market, we frolicked to Chez Steady-Pam and did the indoor thang. Everyone was luvverly - you can all come again. Particularly that saucy gal who treated us to the definitive version of "Baker Street" between bouts of narcolepsy. Meanwhile, so-called Mike so-called Jones boomed like a big ol’ bear: > i soak up the splendidly warped sounds of os mutantes as i get sinister fr > the first time. Oh, *terrific*. At every stage of my life, in every place I live, there’s another bugger with my bleedin’ monicker. When I worked at a certain sprawling chemical complex in West Cumbria, there were no few than *three* Michael Joneses in my _department_. Now, even in cyberspace, I’m hounded by the snarling labradors of namesakery. The lad’s got taste, though, hasn’t he ? Welcome aboard, MJ. Michael W Jones (DoB 7/8/68; NI number... oh, never mind). _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.EDU Tue Jun 1 01:46:43 1999 From: ynoh at xxx.EDU (Youn Jong Noh) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: an ink polaroid for "3, 6, 9 Seconds of Light" Message-ID: I would like to offer a poem for poetry Mondays, if this tradition still exists. The sleeve notes to "3, 6, 9 Seconds of Light" reads like a mandate to make your own poster. I made mine at the local copy shop where the copiers are not so fancy, but anyone who works at a big company should have been able to make a really great one. I will include the entire poem, but only I is the ink polaroid. It is by Hart Crane. (I have the feeling that I am doing something slightly naughty, but the poem is so remarkable I could not resist.) Voyages I Above the fresh ruffles of surf Bright striped urchins flay each other with sand. They have contrived a conquest for shell shucks, And their fingers crumble fragments of baked weed Gaily digging and scattering. And in answer to their treble interjections The sun beats lightning on the waves, The waves fold thunder on the sand; And could they hear me I would tell them: O brilliant kids, frisk with your dog, Fondle your shells and sticks, bleached By time and the elements; but there is a line You must not cross nor ever trust beyond it Spry cordage of your bodies to caresses Too lichen-faithful from too wide a breast. The bottom of the sea is cruel. II -- And yet this great wink of eternity, Of rimless floods, unfettered leewardings, Samite sheeted and processioned where Her undinal vast belly moonward bends, Laughing the wrapt inflections of our love; Take this Sea, whose diapason knells On scrolls of silver snowy sentences, The sceptred terror of whose sessions rends As her demeanors motion well or ill, All but the pieties of lovers' hands. And onward, as bells off San Salvador Salute the crocus lustres of the stars, In these poinsettia meadows of her tides, -- Adagios of islands, O my Prodigal, Complete the dark confessions her veins spell. Mark how her turning shoulders wind the hours, And hasten while her penniless rich palms Pass superscription of bent foam and wave, -- Hasten, while they are true, -- sleep, death, desire, Close round one instant in one floating flower. Bind us in time, O Seasons clear, and awe. O minstrel galleons of Carib fire, Bequeath us to no earthly shore until Is answered in the vortex of our grave The seal's wide spindrift gaze toward paradise. III Infinite consanguinity it bears -- This tendered theme of you that light Retrieves from sea plains where the sky Resigns a breast that every wave enthrones; While ribboned water lanes I wind Are laved and scattered with no stroke Wide from your side, whereto this hour The sea lifts, also reliquary hands. And so, admitted through black swollen gates That must arrest all distance otherwise, -- Past whirling pillars and lithe pediments, Light wrestling there incessantly with light, Star kissing star through wave on wave unto Your body rocking! and where death, if shed, Presumes no carnage, but this single change, -- Upon the steep floor flung from dawn to dawn The silken skilled transmemberment of song; Permit me voyage, love, into your hands . . . I will stop now because I have the feeling that this might not go over too well with everyone. But I wanted to include enough of the rest of the poem to show what a small part the first section actually is. I hope that Belle & Sebastian overcome what I think is the band's implicit criticism of Nick Drake's music - that it's unidimensional, lacks irony, is self-obsessed in a way that is natural for adolescents but not so natural later on. They might have already done this. "Slow Graffiti"? Someone made me a tape and put "Pictures of Lily" on it. I think that's an example of a song about youth that's more. Are there more songs by the Who like that? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bfundak at xxx.edu Tue Jun 1 09:54:02 1999 From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 04:54:02 -0400 Subject: Sinister: On being in love, Hal Hartley and good books Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990601045402.00926100@popb.bgsu.edu> I seem to be making a habit of posting to the list...something I am usually very reticent to do, but events of tonight made me want to share with you what I view to be many of the wonders of life, something that I feel many sinisterites may find relevant to this list. First, I would like to say that I live in a town where a Christian bookstore burns and an ice cream parlor sprouts up in its place. The ice cream is very tasty, and a little more enlightening I've found than the dogmatic nature of most Christian bookstores. Secondly, if you tell someone you are in love with them and share a few awkward kisses, and they call you the next day to hang out, that is a good thing right? Third, I just got done watching Henry Fool. I thought I would share, as I have heard a lot of the people on this list have raved about it. I really enjoyed this film, but I still have to stand by Rushmore (Out June 29 in the US) as being the best film I have seen this year. However, I want to check out more of Hartley's films (and those of Jim Jarmusch, whose Night on Earth I really enjoyed.) Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should see next by either of these fine film makers? That reminds me, while I am talking about film, I thought I might suggest a couple of films that I have seen recently that I have really enjoyed. If you get the chance, check out the aforementioned Rushmore, Bottle Rocket, Rubin and Ed, Smoke Signals, Pi and Six String Samurai. I think that you will enjoy these films, but then again you can tell me to sod off if you'd like. And I realize that a couple of posts ago that I slagged J.D. Salinger (deservedly so) and I thought that those of you who know me via chat and those of you who like to make snap judgements might have been thinking, "Christ, does this guy like anything? What a negative fuck!" Well I will make a peace offering by recommending on of my favorite authors, Russell Banks, who wrote the brilliant novel THe Sweet Hereafter, which was subsequently turned into the critically acclaimed film of the same name by Atom Egoyan. He has written other brilliant novels and I am reading Continental Drift right now. Okay, enough shooting off at the mouth. I will try to limit my posts to this list, but my life has been exciting and wonderful as of late, and this list is a kind ear where I can share my deep thoughts, dreams, loves and disappointments. Brandt "VIRGO AND CANCER: Virgo provides the emotional security that Cancer needs and the little attentions that provide affection. Cancer's dependence finds its perfect answer in Virgo's needs to be protective. cancer's imagination is stimulating to Virgo, and Cancer's anxiety to please deepens Virgo's affections.Both will come out of their shell and begin to enjoy life." --Sexual Astrology (1976) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Tue Jun 1 10:08:39 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:08:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: whingin' sock cookers Message-ID: <01BEAC16.B8E00660.p.cullen@music-control.com> on the subject of "converting the heathens" and all that, i am actually BANNED from playing b&s in my office as "that blokes whiney voice does me head in" ! mercury rev, however, is deemed acceptable....... just a thought.... paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ScoDog1441 at xxx.com Tue Jun 1 12:31:37 1999 From: ScoDog1441 at xxx.com (ScoDog1441 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:31:37 EDT Subject: Sinister: whingin' sock cookers Message-ID: <25d1c8b0.24851e99@aol.com> Paula wrote: >>i am actually BANNED from playing b&s in my office Ive gotten round this by hot-wiring a CD player to the phone system to create 'hold' music. Stick it on repeat and hey presto B&S all day until my secretary puts on Elton John or something. Trouble is, customers on hold tend to ask why someones updating their list of their ten biggest wanks.... And nobody was impressed with Mercury Rev, so I only play that when the boss is out. So, no converts to speak of here :( Scottydog +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lohammer at xxx.no Tue Jun 1 13:07:34 1999 From: lohammer at xxx.no (Erlend Hammer) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:07:34 +0200 Subject: Sinister: le premier post d'un petit ponce Message-ID: <199906011211.OAA23821@online.no> Hi. Since I received my Voice the other night I thought I should use it and tell you all a bit about myself. I'm Erlend, but sometimes I go under the name of Erland. That, however, is only when English speaking people have mis-spelled my name, something which happens quite a lot for some reason. I am 21 years old and I live in Norway. For the last year and a half I've been studying Art History at the University of Bergen. Bergen is a rainy city on the west-coast. Next semester I'll most likely be studying Philosophy, simply because I'm trying to study the most useless subjects known to man so that when I'm finished at uni I can go on the dole or live off my parents. (Unless someone offers me a lush job in the art or music world that is.) At the moment I'm on vacation, well almost I still have one oral exam to go, and I'm working as a substitute teacher at the school I attended when I was wee bairn. Children are naughty these days. My favorite book of all time is Dostoevsky's The Idiot. But the most intense reading experience I've had was The Sheltering Sky by Paul Bowles, perhaps the most disturbing book ever written. Even though I can't exactly say why. As I'm writing this I'm listening to the Tribute to Spacemen 3 album. I like Spacemen 3. And I love Spiritualized. I tend to become obsessed with things and one of my current obsessions is that I need to get every Spiritualized record ever released. I am also obsessed with learning to play the piano, and learning French. Should I say something about Belle & Sebastian? Maybe. The first time I heard them was about a year ago when I was sitting in my sister's room watching MTV's Alternative Nation waiting for a Mogwai video. Hmm, wait, I wasn't actually in my sister's room, I'd stepped out to go to the loo and when I came out of the bathroom I heard a voice which I thought sounded a bit like Nick Drake. The video showed a rather handsome young man walking around a nice-looking town. Anyway, I forgot about this song and the band for a couple of months. Then a friend gave me a tape she'd made me and on it was a lovely song about getting away from somewhere because one was dying. I immediately fell in love with this song and went on a quest to get the album. And that wasn't particularly difficult as a record store in Oslo was selling it cheaply at this time. I read the liner notes and thought to myself that The Idle Thoughts of A Daydreamer would have been a good title for my then current writing project, ludicrously titled The Erlend Hammer Manifesto. As you can probably guess "TEHM" was a right self-indulgent load of bollocks. And a few months later the Manifesto was put to sleep during a depression caused by a young lady. I deleted it and hopefully those of my friends who received copies have done the same. And since then my desire to write has turned to eraserdust. When I was 18 I swore that if I had not written the greatest Norwegian novel ever by the age of 25, I should kill myself in shame. (And writing the greatest Norwegian novel ever really wouldn't be that difficult.) Anyway, I think I have rambled enough for now. Thank you for allowing me entrance into the collective consciousness that is this list and I'm off to watch re-runs of Home And Away now. Cheers. Oh, I'll leave you with a limerick about the first time I heard Belle & Sebastian: I discovered the band on the telly, coming out of the room that was smelly. I applauded their song, but it didn't last long and the next vi-de-o was by Belly. Bye for now. Erlend +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Tue Jun 1 13:37:29 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:37:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Lyrics again Message-ID: <80256783.00455A16.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Brandt told us a tender tale of falling in love with his best friend: >>Someone was talking about having their heart broken last night and I totally related, because I also put my heart on the line last night, also with my best friend. She and I talked for a while, I found out what her concerns about us going out were and no doors were shut. We're not together, but we are, and we're still friends. I think the best part is that there are still possibilities. >> However, when I first looked at it, I misread the last word as 'prostitutes'. Anyway, I didn't come here to make cheap bathetic (ooh - he said 'bathetic') jokes. In conjunction with my contacts in the Irish civil service, I have amended those unreleased lyrics that I posted a while ago. Honey said he's happy to put them up on the website, and I think they're almost ready now, so hurry up with any last minute suggestions. A few points: - I've added 'Rhoda'. In response to whoever it was that asked, those lines about Nabsico and Kellogg's from the documentary would fit into the Special K breakfast cereal theme, but as far as I know, they aren't actually in 'Rhoda'. I can't really see 'Rhoda' getting released to be honest because it's not very good. And does he really sing 'happy with a faggot friend?'. That's what it sounds like. - I've left out the Century of Elvis and Space Boy Dream lyrics because Swedish Katarina pointed out to me that they are now on the official Jeepster lyrics page. But their version says that Stuart jumps over a fence on his way to Prior's Road, whereas I thought it said 'Byres Road' cause Byres Road seems to be the place where everything in Glasgow's 'bohemian' fox-watching West End happens. But maybe it is Prior's Road - I dunno. I've also left out 'Pocketbook Angel' and the other two demos from that tape because they aren't really B&S songs and Stuart is apparently embarrassed by them or at least wouldn't want their lyrics placed in a prominent position on the web. Which is fair enough, I think. - Although they're not B&S lyrics, I've added the passage from Washington Irving's 'Rip Van Winkle' that Isobel reads at the during 'I Could Be Dreaming.' Thank you to foxinasnow Jess for this. - I haven't done 'Winter Wooskie' yet. - Has no one get any idea what the third line of 'Lord Anthony' really is? Once again, I apologise for being so fucking boring. Nick xx Rhoda Young girl, she's a simple person Not as young as she looks But whoever is in this day and age In this day and age, yeah She gives me goosebumps, picks up malaria (?) Funny feeling like buying whisky in a whisky bar The things she says Yeah the the things she says And on her arm there's freckles and scars Do you know what they are? Do you know where they came from? Wondering, 'cause she wouldn't tell me No she wouldn't tell me, no She likes to sing a lot, she likes to play a lot But it hurts her so she gave it up for medicinal drugs Now she's really happy Now she's really happy, yeah And she is happy with a fag in her lips And a fag as friend [poss. 'faggot friend' ?!] And a fag in the morning with her Special K A ray of sunshine A ray of sunshine, yeah Well I'm in love with a certain boy He's a simple person Not as young as he looks But whoever is in this day and age In this day and age, yeah He gives me goosebumps, picks up malaria (?) Funny feeling like buying whisky in a whisky bar The things he says Yeah the the things he says And on his arms there's freckles and scars Do you know what they are? Do you know where they came from? Wondering, 'cause he wouldn't tell me No she wouldn't tell me, no She likes to play a lot, she likes to sing a lot But it hurts him so he gave it up for medicinal drugs Now he's really happy Now he's really happy, yeah And he is happy with a fag in his lips (?) And a fag as friend (?) And a fag in the morning with his Special K A ray of sunshine A ray of sunshine, yeah Yeah he fell to Earth in a rainstorm I don't care wherever he came from 'Cause the boy's all right by me Yeah she fell to Earth in a rainstorm I don't care wherever she came from 'Cause the girl's all right by, yeah Well I'm in love with a certain boy Well I'm in love with a certain girl The Loneliness Of A Middle-Distance Runner I'll take a second of the day to think about the things that we have done this year The dog lies down, the pouring rain, I'm underneath the smokers' railway arch again (?) The future's looking colourful It's the colour of blood, chaos and corruption of a happy soul A happy soul will write in the field, write in the field, write in the field 'Til the rain dies down. The railway ticket states the destination but it doesn't mean that we will show There's a fork upon the line, we'll pay the guard to switch the sign and off we go The future's looking wonderful It's the wonder of the businessman's conspiracy to sell you wares, but no-one cares Oh you care I know, you care I know, you care I know I forgot for a while And on a sulky afternoon spent in dispute you'll give yourself a headache yeah So I take revenge in stories, and I'm dreaming of the time when you're on stage Have you seen the loneliness of a middle distance runner, as he stops the race and looks around, all at the stage I've seen it so (?) I'll walk to the station, walk to the station, walk to the station Won't you follow me? The Wrong Girl I went looking for my darling I went looking for a sign And I found her in the morning Somewhere in the back of my mind I'm not what I could be I need a true love I went looking and I found one The wrong girl The wrong kind The wrong hand to be holding The wrong eyes to go searching behind The wrong dream to have in my mind I went looking for my darling I went looking for a sign And I found her in the morning Somewhere in the back of my mind I'm not what I could be I need a true love I went looking and I found one The wrong girl The wrong kind The wrong hand to be holding The wrong eyes to go searching behind The wrong dream to have in my mind I'm not what I could be I need some loving I went looking and I found some The wrong girl The wrong kind The wrong hand to be holding The wrong eyes to go searching behind The wrong dream to have in my mind The wrong girl Paper Boat I think it's going to be all right, I think it's going to be just fine, I think it's going to get much better than before, I think we're going to see the sun, I think we're going to have some fun, I think we're going to walk out through the open door Maybe when you wake up in the morning Maybe when the darkened skies are grey Maybe in a paper boat we'll both just sail away Underneath the river trees Off towards the lazy sea Underneath the bridge that carries people home Past the church where Jesus saves Off to find the path of good ways, Sailing off towards adventures of our own Maybe when I wake up in the morning, Maybe when the darken skies are grey Maybe in a paper boat we'll both just float away Trumpety bit. I think it's going to be good fun. Lord Anthony Anthony, bullied at school Get your own back now you are cool Or are you scared of bunking up who you'll talk (??) It's all gone wrong again you got double maths But the teacher's got no control The boys all run riot "You all stay quiet or you will die" Tony, back of the gym Smoke another one, your chances are slim, 'Cause here they come again They got you on the ground You're tasting blood again At least it's your own When will you realize it doesn't pay To be smarter than teachers, smarter than most boys, "Shut your mouth, start kicking the football" Bang on the teeth you were out for a weekend (?) You may as well take it in the guts, it can't get worse Just take it in the guts, it can't get worse Just take it in the guts, it can't get worse Just take it in the guts, it can't get worse Oh but hey, you'll soon be old enough to leave them all Without a notion of a care You'll leave two fingers in the air To England Tony, you're a bit of a mess Melted Tolberone under your dress But if the kids could see you they would pass you right by The mascara running over your eye Why don't you realize it doesn't pay To be smarter than teachers, smarter than most boys, "Shut your mouth, start kicking the football" Bang on the teeth you were out for a weekend (?) They call you Lord Anthony but hey, it could be worse Lord Anthony but hey, it could be worse Lord Anthony but hey, it could be worse Lord Anthony but hey, it kind of suits you anyway You'll soon be old enough to leave them all Without a notion of a care You'll leave two fingers in the air To England "Rip Van Winkle" by Washington Irving for class, and as i was making my way through the story, i came to a passage that sounded oddly familiar: "Times grew worse and worse with Rip Van Winkle as years of matrimony rolled on; a tart tempter never mellows with age, and a sharp tongue is the only edge tool that grows keener by constant use. For a long while he used to console himself, when driven from home, by frequenting a kind of perpetual club of the sages, philosophers, and other idle personages of the village, that held its sessions on a bench before a small inn, designated by a rubicund portrait of his majesty George the Third. Here they used to sit in the shade, of a long lazy summer's day, talk listlessly over village gossip, or tell endless sleepy stories about nothing. But it would have been worth any statesman's money to have heard the profound discussions that sometimes took place, when by chance an old newspaper fell into their hands, from some passing traveller. How solemnly they would listen to the contents, as drawled out by Derrick Van Bummel, the schoolmaster, a dapper learned little man, who was not to be daunted by the most gigantic word in the dictionary..." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Tue Jun 1 13:52:57 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:52:57 +0200 Subject: Sinister: My Baby's Got BSE Message-ID: <01beac2d$ac133bc0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> I don't know why the lovely Lydia came last in the Eurovision Song Contest, because I didn't see it. I was too busy trying to find somebody, anybody to go to see Napalm Death with me. Oh well. But I do know that a few weeks/stroke/months ago, Lydia came to our local Alcampo Superstore to sign copies of her album. Had I known she was going to come last in the Eurovision Song Contest I would have gone along and got her to sign my flab, but I didn't know, so I had to make do with looking at the photos afterwards. She struck me as being a very nice polite young lady, patiently attending the Tellytubbies age-group fans queuing up for her autograph. Perhaps that's why she lost, because all her fans were tucked up in bed, so they couldn't phone their votes in. Well, a similar excuse seemed to work when Beepster were desperately trying to explain away their surprising "win" in the Brits. Will Looper be doing tour t-shirts for their amazing "excess all areas especially the reading aloud area" US jaunt? JD Salinger or Inspector Gadget? You decide.... Thank you to Ailsa for her detailed account of Saturday night. More stalking, that's what we need. Those gorgeous blonde groupies sounded like the Fembots from Austin Powers. I can just imagine Mad Dog Murdoch loosening his collar and trying to think about Margaret Thatcher in the nude on a cold day, to stop himself from getting a stiffy, which would have led to the rapid evacuation of the entire bar. Have we got any Man City fans on the list? Here is a nice paragraph from this week's "Economist" - the "Smash Hits" of the financial world: "In contrast, the many thousands of people in Manchester who have rejected United and instead support the chronically unsuccesful Manchester City get a fantastic press. They are "true fans" - in other words, they are masochists who have turned their back on the hollow pleasures of victory in favour of repeated and humiliating defeat." Michael Jones, I have the solution to your problem - simply insert a "Zeta" between your first and last names and hey presto! Guys! If you're mates with a bird and then ask her out and she gives you a knockback, try to stay mates with her - all is not lost! You never know, she might have a good-looking mate with big knockers who's dying for a shag, and willing to do it with absolutely anybody. Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eng98ajo at xxx.se Tue Jun 1 14:37:27 1999 From: eng98ajo at xxx.se (Anna J) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:37:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Pooch! Message-ID: Hi list, Nick posted the bit from Rip Van Winkle: I went to the library yesterday to finally look for the book as I have always been charmed by that "not to be daunted by the most gigantic word in the dictionary"-line, only to find that the only version they had was this "learn English using a vocabulary of 500 words"-version, so when I finally found the passage from I Could Be Dreaming they had reduced it to about 4 lines and taken away the entire dictionary-bit! I was so bummed I didn't borrow it (although the accompanying cassette with a normal/slow reading alternative seemed intriguing), but at least I finally got to see the the spelling of Derrick Van Brummel. And I'm not even sure I even remember it properly anymore. It is sort of like the lyrics for TBWTAS, I don't know how many times I had to look up "lascivious" before it stuck. "Lysten" if any Swedes are wondering, but I am sure everybody else was clever enough to know it without ever having to look it up. And whilst I am on the subject of the English language, if anybody's wondering why so many foreigners like the language, I think I have found the answer in three words. I was reading the B&S article in Record Collector when I came across the bit "eponymous vehicular pooch". You guys!!! :) I am sure this somehow magically translates into Dog On Wheels, but I am afraid consulting a dictionary might somehow spoil the magic. Now, in what other language would anyone ever think of saying eponymous vehicular pooch??? If a boy had said it to me I am sure my heart would have melted instantly. Oh, and a B&S question (!) - I got an ad-thing from a pretty crappy Swedish magazine called SA the other day (although they once had a B&S interview) and if you start subscribing you'll get a Tigermilk-promo single, not available anywhere else in Sweden (cheap trick!). I was wondering if anybody knows what songs are on it? Not that I'm planning to get it, since the magazine is crap, and quite frankly I am broke, but nevertheless. Cheerio, Anna :) P.S. I know it was a while ago, but hello to everybody I met at Bowlie! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Tue Jun 1 15:10:51 1999 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:10:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Boy with the Adlestrop Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB6901AC7E@PARK_EX> Not a sp. but a small village in Gloucestershire. A man just phoned me and left his address (in Adlestrop) and I was trying not to giggle and sing 'The Boy with the Adlestrop'. Regarding LLPJ, if she was a prostitute I don't think she would need to toss a coin to tell her mum/folks about a dose of thrush or for that matter need a book to tell her about the lotions and potions available (I'd recommend Caneston, btw), but I do like the ambiguity in 'have a boy/girl tonight' regarding 'have sex with' or 'give birth to', I hadn't thought of that, top marks whoever mentioned that. Typically, the day after a bank holiday is sunny and warm following a v.v.rainy weekend (three inches of rain falling in half an hour on Saturday, the same half an hour we walked to the bus station, d'oh!), and I'm stuck inside a very, very quiet office (it's half term, so there are no students or lecturers) talking on the phone to people with humourous addresses. *sigh* Thank you to Mr Kevan for putting me and Mrs CarsmileSteve up on Saturday night and hello to everyone who was at the picnic on Sunday (Bah! we were robbed in the !P!O!P! quiz), and a big thanks to Tim Hopkins for supplying me with my new name xoxo TAFKACS (The Artist Formally Known As CarsmileSteve) > ---------------------------------------------- > 'Slightly Anal About 80s Pop' > > carsmilesteve at geocities.com > > visit the historic record of Carsmile at http://fast.to/carsmile > > 'Anyone need a singer?' > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dirtydream2 at xxx.com Tue Jun 1 15:37:57 1999 From: dirtydream2 at xxx.com (Bill Moss) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Attn: Mid Distance Runners Message-ID: <19990601143757.19456.rocketmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Wow, It's been ages since I posted last! I'll bet everyone I once conversed with is now gone :( Two Belle and Sebatian related questions/requests: I have a tape that cuts off before the first verse ends :( on the most brilliant take of Sleep the Clock Around which is announced as Sleep Around the Clock ...it's so nice and reverby. Anyone know where I could get the full recording? I may have something to trade as well? I also have a NYC Supper Club recording with the lovely Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner. I would love a clearer recording though this one rocks!! It kind of reminds me of kick-ass 70's-rock and I love that yummy guitar solo :) Anyone know the words or what it's about - is it going to be on a new EP any time soon? I read somewhere that the Flaming Lips were Stuart David's favorite show at Bowlie. I saw them at Christmas in Washington, DC a few years bacl and can vouch - they're the best show I've ever seen as well. xxx Bill Moss _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Tue Jun 1 16:18:05 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:18:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the BOWELie movement festival! Message-ID: <01BEAC4A.54633DE0.p.cullen@music-control.com> hello pop-pickers, i have decided to start an isobel campbell tribute group. they will be called :"CAMPBELL & THE GENITAL WARTS" a support slot with the already "big in ireland" pop group "THE PAULA CULLEN BOOZE EXPLOSION" at the local "BOWELie movement" festival has already been confirmed. applicants for the position of campbell and her band of merry men should contact me at the above address* paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! *not really, though +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kwright at xxx.uk Tue Jun 1 16:36:31 1999 From: kwright at xxx.uk (Kevin Wright A08A) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:36:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: FW: Oxford meet. Message-ID: <27E935B340B1D211A2FE00C0F01F5D960DA0E5@rycote01.rycote.ac.uk> > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Wright A08A > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 4:35 PM > To: 'sinister at majordodo.net' > Subject: Oxford meet. > > In reply to what Alix said, there will be a meet up in Oxford this > saturday (5th june) > Everyone is meeting outside Cult Clothing on Gloucester Green ( this > is not actually a park it's a square near the cinema ) at 2pm. > Everyone is invited so if you can make come along (please!) The more > the better. > Anyway I thought I'd let you all know the details, > > Beaucoup d' amour > > Kev. xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From richard.connell at xxx.com Tue Jun 1 15:58:12 1999 From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:58:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Lyrics again In-Reply-To: <80256783.00455A16.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Message-ID: <0712581501061999/A09057/ADVAX1/11D60BFA0500*@MHS> Hi there crime-fighting monkeys (on jet-skis) Im sorry, i have to leap to the defence of 'rhoda'. It is a lovely song and well deserved of a release. It better than a lot stuff they've already put out (although i wont say what, dont want to open up THAT can of worms). And it does say faggot friends. I just discovered yo la tengo and they are cool, cool as a midsummer morning on a lilo in a swimming pool with a cocktail in one hand and a fat cuban cigar in the other, blowing smoke rings into the shimmering air, knowing that moments like these should be savoured or soon forgotten in the hurly burly world we live in today, full of fast cars and cheap.....er...sorry, just turned into a raymond chandler voice-over for a second. That keeps happening, more and more since i met HER, with her hair swirling in the moonlight, the look in her eyes like she'd never seen another man before and.....er, oops, done it again. I better go before i say too much, reveal the deep, dark secret that lay behind her eyes like a movement in the shadow of a dark alley...damn. Bye for now, Rich +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i.am.sinister at xxx.uk Tue Jun 1 18:23:40 1999 From: i.am.sinister at xxx.uk (Sweetie) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:23:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: RE: lodger again Message-ID: <002e01beac53$7f2d70a0$8836883e@anne666theasylum> hello all my sinister friends, well i am going to make an announcement, whether anyone actually cares or not is a totally diff matter. so here i go; I FINISHED MY EXAMS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o)))) thats all ciao for now Sweetie. xxx :oP +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Tue Jun 1 19:19:50 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:19:50 EDT Subject: Sinister: Q: Are we not men A: We are Devo! Message-ID: <80bc3bd4.24857e46@aol.com> I took the list's advice and went back and re-read Franny and Zooey over the weekend and I agree that Franny is much better than I initally gave it credit for. It made much more sense and seemed infinitely more clever this time around so I apologize for spewing such nonsense earlier. Please have pity on humble soul and give me a good thwacking when next we meet... On an more "sinister" note: I woke up with "hat head" today...is this possible? Now, I'm used to waking up looking like an early 70's Rod Stewart or a Heronimous Bosch painting brought to life with my hair appearing to explode off my scalp, but this is new beast entirely. I look as though I was wearing a hat all night as there are clear indentations. Either than or someone saddled my cranium and rode roughshod on me whilst I slept like a babe. I'm not one to go adventuring in my sleep, but I don't know...has this happened to anyone else? I think I'll have to start sleeping with one eye open. Boo to the business world, and sorry for the Devo line as the subject but I've been spinning their greatest hits recently and I think its top notch! Steve C. PS- I finally got off my arse and picked up the Gentle Waves and Looper records and I love them both. I like Looper a bit more I think, but Isobel's voice came out soooo beautiful...I cry to think of it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Tue Jun 1 21:06:19 1999 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1999 21:06:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: What's that song? Message-ID: <199906012007.VAA25258@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> What is the name of that song on the advert for THE EXPRESS. It's the advert with some bright colours moving around a white background and some film in the middle. the song sounds like it's sung by a Japanese woman. I really want it! Please help me if you know what it is! Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samiamx at xxx.com Tue Jun 1 21:37:56 1999 From: samiamx at xxx.com (Sam Devere) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:37:56 PDT Subject: Sinister: Beth Orton in DC Tomorrow Message-ID: <19990601203756.19886.qmail@hotmail.com> Anyone in DC going to the Beth Orton show tomorrow night? I was thinking of going, but I may have to go to an open house at a program I'm interested in. Cheerio...Sam _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mctag at xxx.com Tue Jun 1 22:15:53 1999 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:15:53 GMT Subject: Sinister: Bleu, bleu, l'amour est bleu... Message-ID: <37544ccf.328565@post.demon.co.uk> Allo allo, This was a weekend of both just and unjust events. On the positive side, Joe Royle's Blue and White army finally made the first of their big leaps on the road back to the premiership. Speaking of which, can I just say "YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS"? I can? OK, I will. YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS. Thank you. Masochistic? Pah. Sadly though, not everyone is schooled in the ways of true righteousness. I'm talking of the crime of Eurovision, which saw the rightful heir to the thrown, the Icelandic entry, denied by that bloody Swedish harpie. I woke up on Sunday convinced it had been a bad dream, and that my little Icelandic Lorelei had got the recognition she deserved. Alas no. The IKEA boycott starts here. In the tradition of Abba, my arse. And what was that German effort all about? Bloody crawlers. I must say, I don't approve of this "singing in English" bollocks one bit. It's so much more EXOTIC when it's all in foreign. Which reminds me, Mr Stuart Gardiner, what's all this crap about not taking Eurovision seriously? This isn't one of your "so bad it's good" kitschathons - this is ART, and don't you EVER forget it. I demand passion from my entrants. As it were. I think Roolz may go for Eurovision next year - I'm penning our definitive Euro anthem as we speak, and Joss and I are going to pull Keith and Warrander's detachable kilts off, Bucks Fizz style, midway through the performance, to reveal their special edition Roolz posing pouches beneath. Anyway La Wumpette and myself ran away to a Hebridean idyll for our anniversary, where we ate loads of cake and I fell over in a peat bog and she laughed at me. I also fell over on some rocks whilst trying to look at some delightful seals who were frolicking and gamboling in the water, and she laughed at me again. And I bought a lighthouse. Every journey we took in the Tagmobile took at least twice as long as it should have done, because we kept having to stop every time we saw a "sheepie-weepie" or a "moo-cow". The journey home was turned into a rollercoaster of pop thrills by this year's Booker Prize winner - "The Pop Quiz book", a snip at two quid from the ferry shop. My knowlege of the Lieutenant Pigeon back catalogue surprised even me. Keith, I hereby challenge you to a duel, specially modified pop brains at dawn. On guard! Antje, I'm glad my Custarica nonsense in Papercuts whetted your appetite, you will not be disappointed, I promise. Tag xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lonelyhighway at xxx.com Tue Jun 1 22:47:20 1999 From: lonelyhighway at xxx.com (Corpora Arenacea) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:47:20 PDT Subject: Sinister: But that's the way I like it baby, I don't wanna live forever Message-ID: <19990601214721.69277.qmail@hotmail.com> DC area listees.... Completely informal meetup tonight, if any are interested. Heh heh. At the 9:30 club, at 8:00 p.m..... come for the food, stay for the MOTORHEAD. Look for the girl in the shocking green dress and the boy in the "Cher Heart of Stone Tour 1990" shirt. Regretfully, the postal service held up the shipping of the chain mail and the fab "Motorhead Uber Alles" banner my friend had made for his last Motorhead show, in like 1916. We'll probably be going for drinks afterwards if we can't find a roadie to blow to let us backstage. Designated drivership available. Love me like a reptile, -Eran _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rwjf1 at xxx.uk Wed Jun 2 00:06:27 1999 From: rwjf1 at xxx.uk (Robert Fisk) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:06:27 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: Sinister: Bleu, bleu, l'amour est bleu... In-Reply-To: <37544ccf.328565@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Just one thing to say to you Tag - You know that Gillingham deserved to win. They were winning until Man City decided to do a Man Utd and score two goals in a few minutes. Where did such a lot of extra time come from? > > This was a weekend of both just and unjust events. On the positive > side, Joe Royle's Blue and White army finally made the first of their > big leaps on the road back to the premiership. Speaking of which, can > I just say "YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS"? I can? OK, I will. > YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS. Thank you. Masochistic? Pah. Robert ___________________________________________ Robert Fisk rwjf1 at ukc.ac.uk Rutherford JCC Comms Sticky Fanzine Editor +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Assistant Head of Music UKC Radio 1350 MW | | Office: 01227 823294 Studio: 01227 823301 Fax:01227 464625 | |Web: http://listen.to/UKCRadio/ E-mail:ukcr at ukc.ac.uk | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Don't forget to listen to the Albino Squirrel Show every Thursday 2-4pm on UKCR. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From adrock at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 03:36:48 1999 From: adrock at xxx.com (Mike Jones) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:36:48 -0400 Subject: Sinister: guess what i found today! Message-ID: <000d01beaca0$c48a5ee0$a3d88dcc@oemcomputer> fr those who have had a rather shitty day, much like i have, here is an adventure of sorts which helped cheer me up. there's a bit of belle and sebastian relatedness to this at the end, so read the whole thing or just skip to the end. on the walk home from work at the sandwich shop today, i was picked up by my good friend and bandmate chris and was promptly kidnapped. rather than driving me home he decided to go the opposite direction and take me down one of the state highways. as we sped down the highway, chris's new driver's license burning a hole in his pocket (to be quite honest i highly doubt he even was carrying it), along the way at some point we stopped at a health food/ vitamin supplement/ vegetarian emporium, chris being a vegan and all. as chris went to get some kava kava to get fucked up the "all natural" way (nice vegan philosophy), i scanned the racks of rather unnatural nutrition bars, hoping to find a granola bar or some sort of regular snack...it was about 4:30 and being a diabetic i needed nourishment. the insulin was kicking in and with the sudden bursts of activity i've been having lately, hypoglycemia has been knocking quite frequently. as i looked for a snack i stumbled upon a box of tigermilk bars...honey and peanut butter tigermilk bars. as i smiled with delight as thoughts of sinister folk romped through my head, i wondered when the us release date of tigermilk is set for. last i heard it was june 8. it's been bumped to a later date, has it not? well, to end the story abruptly, chris did his kava kava and nearly hit a mullethead in a pickup truck on the drive home. it was the most fun ive had in weeks. my point is...when is tigermilk going to be in my hands? (this is assuming it shall be in my hands the day it is released, which it most likely shall) gracias and aloha, mike j adrock at netrom.com ape shall never kill ape. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Patrick.Scragg at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 04:30:00 1999 From: Patrick.Scragg at xxx.com (Patrick Scragg) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Love the List! Message-ID: <19990602033218.UGPR642@[166.36.246.101]> Hello List! This is my first post. I've just finished browsing through the enormous list archives - really enjoyed them! The few other lists I've visited tended to be more on the dull side, comprised mostly of VERY boring discussions about a band or tour: this list is infinitely more interesting! I was especially amused by some of the more humorous subjects and threads discussed here i.e., rumors, dreams, picnics... and what's with all of the smut talk - specifically, "arms of sex & thighs of sex"? Who, or what is being referred to here? Please enlighten me. Good to see that we have some Go-Betweens fans here! I've always thought of the Go-Betweens as a primary influence on Belle and Sebastian as well as many other contemporary folk-pop acts. In fact, some friends and I will be seeing Robert and Grant on tour this summer! Wouldn't it be brilliant if one day Belle and Sebastian shared the stage with the Go-Betweens - imagine both bands palying together on a Byrds or Dylan tune. Seeing Mercury Rev next week - can't wait! Back to work P +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 04:48:52 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:48:52 EDT Subject: Sinister: Blah Message-ID: Correct me if I'm wrong, but tickets to All Tommorrow's Parties go on sale June 5th right? Does anyone know if they will be available via the internet again? I never recieved any responses to my query as to what bands were rumored to be playing, so I guess I'm buying the passes blindly. Oh well...a wee adventure would do me good I suppose. Sorry for posting twice in one day Steve C. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pulpbot at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 08:10:32 1999 From: Pulpbot at xxx.com (Pulpbot at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:10:32 EDT Subject: Sinister: Looper in Motorhead opener shocker! Message-ID: <871b833d.248632e8@aol.com> Young ones, Toodled down to the ol' 9:30 club tonite for a bit of yer Motorhead, plus special guests Hatebreed, Nothingface, Loathesome Cancer, Stroke-on-Trent, and Bile. Shock to find all but Motorhead had canceled, but bigger shock to see Looper as the replacement! "I love their electronic pig fuck and wot not," I overheard Lenny tell some slightly addled fans. Can't say I've heard the Looper album, but they won the crowd over with sheer perseverance, gallantly referring to their album as "Cup O'Pee" in deference to the peverse leanings of Motorhead fans. Is the new album really called "Cow's Cunt"? Irony is hard to grasp over the tractor rumble of Lemmy's bass (yes, he joined Looper on several songs). Looper's new (?) song about Lemmy's white cowboy boots had quite a few in the crowd talking excitedly; it was quite good. When Lemmy took off one of said boots and whacked Mick in the face with it, it seemed to be more of a loving gesture more than anything. Needless to say, everyone flipped when Wee Karn pranced around in a chainmail bikini and the led the crowd in a chant of "wart removal is for pussies." Lemmy seemed to sniffle, I swear. Well, Motorhead weren't bad. Listee of listees Eran good-naturedly took a blow to the head, but my ex-boyfriend Doug was dragged across the floor in a headlock, so he wins. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Wed Jun 2 10:51:45 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:51:45 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Isobel gets her cock out for the lads Message-ID: <004401beacdd$873fae40$4111020a@rebelstrange> eh i'm pissed. my mail is flooded AGAIN... i'm REALLY pissed. i haven't received any mails for a week. i'm sorry if any of you out there tried to mail me. marie elia, yes tigermilk bars are real. we have them in Missouri in wal-mart. they are VERY good. esp the peanut butter crunch sort. some time i'll scan a wrapper and send it to mummy then all over the world the kids can become BELIEVERS. amen/. i heard mark and someone else talk about th faith healers. bless you. i dont know why, but i love th faith healers. i have 3 CD's by them. and i have a cd by Quickspace. everyeone should listen to their album Imaginary Friend. the final track is 20 minutes long. then it has 12 minutes of silence and then it is 8 more minutes. and you never get tired of it. well i dont' anyway. i think it's Fab. but i'm into that sort of thing. It's nice to see guitarists for Pavement on the sinister list. another celibrisinister sighting. i have to confess i've not read much of the list. considering how much of a hassle it is to go thru the archives in an expedient fashion. oh well. i'm happy anyway because the Most Glamorous Woman in the World (art girl notwithstanding) is coming to drive to tempe with me. with ME. HAHAHAAAAAA eat my dust! my car is broken. i'm pissed about that too. i realized today that my love for b/s was officially cemented the moment i heard "Losing It". light from heaven. i swear. it happend at THAT moment!!! i traded in my old music equip for a cheap 4-track. on order. i'm very excited about that. i'll write songs for you all. you can pay me a thousand dollars to write a song about the list. YEAH suckers. Hey Buxom Floozy!!! quit yer job. be a loser like me!!! then yeha. we'll tour tthe world as the girl punk saviors of the rawk universe. JOIN US.......JOIN US........... hey tom. hey xavier. hey snowyteri. hey all the ppl i didn't email this week cos i was too pissed about my account being fucked up. (oops) hey gayboys. i'm reading a book on Queer theory now. it's yeah. it's definitely theoretical. does anyone really think we can get to the point in our lifetimes where the concept of biological sex and gender are TRULY irrelevant? i like to think i'm open minded but i realize that personally i'm too much bound to it to be ultimately 'liberated' hey i'm girly. i like girls. i don't see it changing. oh well we can't cry can we. i'm very happy. i borrowed a book by Herman Hesse called the Prodigy. anyone read that?? i wanted to read steppenwolf but the only one i could find was in German. Bad idea. mm i'm looking forward to working the graveyard shift all summer, it's my plan. i hope they let you wear headphones so i can listen to arab strap while i pack car parts or whatever the fuck you do in a factory. OOOOOh i'm sorry. my head is like OUT there. i feel dizzy. and no i'm not under chemical effects i'm just haveing my "aunt" for her visit, that's probably what's getting to me. i'm going to go have some sexual fantasies. maybe i'll think of an erotic story to send to the sinister library then you can all like see into my mind and stuff!!! wow magic!!!!! mostly lentils, LJ http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange they were like those gauche youths who turn up to house parties only to cling to the dark corners in chaste disdain, driven by the naive, vaguely inhuman conviction that all merriment is a lie. SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 10:11:48 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:11:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Warning: this post contains a massive weapon Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E226E7317@server1.HITEntertainment.com> ...did you know John Cusack's a B&S fan? Or at least he mentions them in his new script, which isn't bad going :) I'm sad I missed the Greenwich picnic - my clique points are slipping (as is my listcrush position - come on chums, I'm sort of cute when it's very, very dark. And when I'm not speaking), so I am hoping to get to Oxford this weekend for a bit of out-of-town schmoozing. I also didn't make it to Kevan's Eurovision party - too busy ringing up to vote for Cyprus (whose only points came from the United Kingdom, which was thanks to ME!) in a student house in Birmingham with Miss Vicky and lots of people who wouldn't piss on Belle and Sebastian if they were on fire. I expect. I am going to plug, yet again, the B&Sophile club night on June 11th Upstairs at the Garage in North London (Highbury and islington Tube, I think), "A Night of Tigermilking", featuring several DJs of this parish, fun, frolics, added incentives and at least one spunky pop performer. So please come and get merry with your favourite sinister listcrush (reports of Nick Dastoor's attendance are as yet unconfirmed)! B&S badges and t-shirts get in cheaper, of course... I quite fancy that promo Swede Tigermilky single thing - hopefully it'll be found in abundance in the Gothenburg equivalent of the record and tape exchange 2 weeks after it's distributed - any lovely Swedes (and hey! You're all lovely in my book, yes you are!) fancy picking me up a copy, I'll go all red and smiley just for you... My job has entailed me reading some of Joan Aiken's works yet again (sorry if I've said this several times before) - Nightbirds on Nantucket's quite good, really. Imagine, a big gun on the other side of the Atlantic to blow up James III with! Saddam Hussein's a fan, then...Any listees want to mail me with their favourite Aiken recommendations? If they're good, I'll try and make them turn it into a TV series, promise... Gosh I'm not on form today. Sorry chickens! But I'm pleased to hear Th' Faith Healers have their fans - I'd recommend most highly the first three EPs and the first album, Lido, which only has a 10 minute song at the end, but I challenge Lesley cos it's much better than the other one...They had wicked fans, too, and they used to let us sit on stage intertwined among their legs while they played, banging tambourines and playing with mic stands and generally feeling like we belonged :) It's not all work, work, work, you know... Mark xxx ______________ This letter is dedicated to Joe Kinnear, 1992-1999 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk Wed Jun 2 10:44:27 1999 From: Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk (Sarah Wheeler) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:44:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Easy like Sunday morning Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990602104427.006951a4@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk> Hey folks Re: GLASGOW MEET Well, being a virgin I was slightly apprehensive about joining in, having read in countless magazines how the first time is not going to be the most earth shattering. I'd experienced a little foreplay at Bowlie, after bumping into Sinisterines, but that didn't count as the full blown thing (nice though). Nevertheless, I was reassured by listees' accounts of previous encounters, how there was little to be scared of, how you would be warmly received and how it didn't matter if you didn't know where to put it (the B+S badge, fools). Any blood on the sheets was merely an inconvenience (wrong list, Sarah). And they were right.....it was lovely. It was great to finally put a face to Mummy Honey's name, and to meet up with Linda (sorry for banging on about jobs, or lack of), and the very gorgeous Matt Neimark. Chris Leonard, I'll see you in the Research Club, and David......well, I'll look out for you at lost property. As for Owen (the Narrow Wizard), Ailsa and Alasdair "Sarah, she was easy" Cook....well I don't know about you, but the Struan incident put a bit of a downer on things. Why did he have to keep following us....one photo, we said, just one, and then you have to go away and leave us in peace. And did he, did he buffalo. He was back time after time after time. Go away, we screamed, you're not invited. So what does he do....follows us up to the Art School, dragging Sarah, Richard (I asked him if he wanted to compare beards, he said no) and Isobel, as well as Aidan Arab Strap, Snow Patrol and David Kitchen. I ask you. So I leave, and who follows??? Yep you guessed it....Struan and Isobel. Bloody pests. And I managed to resist the kebab shop. Can we do it again soon? Lots of love Sheeny Sarah x ======================= Sarah Wheeler Room 106 West Medical Building University of Glasgow GLASGOW G12 8QQ 0141-339 8855 ext.0860/0640 ======================= +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 08:00:04 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:00:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Was there anything I could do... Message-ID: <19990602110004.HM.000000000016vnW@mixmail.com> ... Yesterday I bought the Go-Betweens compilations and it�s completely great. I can�t take "Don�t believe what you�ve heard / Faithful it�s not a bad word" out of my mind. I�ll try to make things clear: I�ve got "the loneliness of the middle distance runner", even though in the Barcelona �s gig i�ve got only the first min ute of that song, because my tape ended. Stuart Gardiner sent me that song in my early days at sinisterland. I don�t want a copy of it. What I was trying to mean in my previous posts is that i�ll try to find someone who has the gig without ANY mistake. OK ? As soon as i�ll have it, i�ll begin to make copies to everyone who asked me to. The first ones are going to be this chap who has offered himself to make me a copy of the TV documentary (Stephen, I think it is) and Katarina Karl soon, whose tape arrived here two days ago. For the rest, please be patient, as i�ll be having my exams only in one week. No one has answered me yet if the first song of the Barcelona�s gig is the in strumental "Tigermilk". If anyone can con firm it, please e-mail me privately. Oh, and some weeks ago I asked all of you about the info for the song "kites are fun", from a band called Tomorrow�s worl d. No one has answered me yet too. I insist: if you want to answer me, use my other adress, not this one: jordi at belleandsebastian.org Take care ================================ ================== Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hopkinstim at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 11:51:52 1999 From: hopkinstim at xxx.com (Tim Hopkins) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 03:51:52 PDT Subject: Sinister: Chimple Things please Chimple Minds (scant crumbs of B&S content) Message-ID: <19990602105153.29940.qmail@hotmail.com> Want to hear a sad story? Setting aside Friday night's high jinks (except to say that to see Jim Shepherd singing 'Cold Heart' and to see Pam Berry singing 'Useless' had been long-standing ambitions of mine, both fulfilled in the one church hall, wow...), and passing over Saturday night's Eurovisionvison party (except to say it's possible to sing bits of 'Belle and Sebastian' along to that atrocious winning entry), the third peak of my triplet-peaked weekend was to be seeing none other than Mister Kenny Rogers at none other than the Royal Albert Hall in none other than London, England. It meant that I had to leave the Sinister pique-nique early, which was (naturally) pretty heart-rending, but hey, we had obtained some freebie tickets for none other than a box in a balcony right by the stage...free wine and nibbles...who could ask for anything more? As it turned out, we could have asked for more. Just around the time you lot were discussing bombs and stuff, there was none other than a bomb scare causing none other than an evacuation of the hall, and the end of the evening's entertainment. One of the middle aged women I was talking to saw Mr. Rogers and his lovely wife Wanda being chauffered away from the venue within a couple of minutes of the alarm being raised. Not such a gambler after all, it seems. Anyroadupluv, the Albert Hall still stands, and it appears the scare was a fake. We wandered down the road to a marvellous Polish restaurant and ate big piles of MEAT. It's what Kenny would have wanted. We did get to see the set by Linda Davis, who performed 'Nashville Waltz'. Has anyone ever noticed a distinct similarity between the melody of 'Nasville Waltz' and the melody of 'Slow Graffiti'? Thought not. I have to wonder who would want to bomb Kenny Rogers? Was it one of you lot? ian wrote: >other random things that come into my head..a slap for the person who >slagged off jefferson airplane...remember what the doormouse said. Ooh! That was me! I've been slapped online! Cool! Actually, the last dormouse I was talking to advised me to avoid Jefferson Moped's hippy drivel like the plague. I thought it good advice. I once endured a car journey in which my chauffeuse and her friend (who was the most boring man on the planet) played 'White Rabbit' at least 20 times. I was delighted, as you can probably imagine. I hate rabbits almost as much as I hate hippies. ian wrote: >a kiss for the person who was talking about grace jones, just >because. Ooh! That was me! He slapped me and it felt like a kiss! Cool! Since the response to my plea for cheese puns has elicited little more than a trickle of response, I thought I'd join in myself. Here are a few you missed: The Stilton I Am In You Made Me Forget My Chaumes It Could Have Been A Brilliant Paneer Is It Wicked Not To Camembert I know where the Cheddar Goes Put The Brick Back on the Shelf You see the fun we could have had? Ah well, no sense crying over part-rotted milk. To other matters... Mr David 'More and' Moore, Chelmsford UK wrote: >Hands off Jefferson Ornithopter Tim, or I'll send you a compilation >tape >of their offshoot bands' output, featuring such delights as >Universal >Copernican Mumbles; tracks from Grace's Manhole - "a >novocained nun >shrieking Spanish civil war songs in a Chinese >brothel" ; Across The Board >("7 inches of pleasure, ooooh, going >home"); & a mere few hours of 1971 >Live Hot Tuna. I MUST HAVE THAT TAPE! Not only will the bit with the nun remind me of my holidays, but Jeffo Pushbike offshoots will be ideal for torturing Neil Hannon, who I kidnapped over the weekend and who is now locked up in my basement. It would be the best place for him if only the bugger wouldn't keep singing. Ugh. Congrats to Dr. 'I'm Into' C.B. Stride, if he's still around, on the passage of the mighty Hornets into the top flight. Why not hold a Top Indie Night in Sheffield by way of celebration? Ditto the Tagster on the progress of his lot...back where you belong! There's more than one team from Manchester who get the smooth end of the injury time stick, it seems. He Hit Me And It Felt Like A Proboscis. Cheerio Tim ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JMoorkens at xxx.ie Wed Jun 2 11:42:45 1999 From: JMoorkens at xxx.ie (Joss Moorkens) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:42:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Camber Line Up Message-ID: Aiight folks. Filched* from http://paul.fortunecity.net/wangst/messages/4532.html this is apparently the All Tomorrow's Parties line up as announced on XFM. I was going anyway :) friday 17 september MAIN STAGE: Stereolab Tortoise Yo La Tengo High Llamas Plone saturday 18 sept MAIN STAGE: ~~TBC~~ (could be Ween...) Delgados Gorky's Zygotic Mynci Laurence from Felt/Denim Snow Patrol Ten Benson SECOND STAGE: Shack Olivia Tremor Control (~~TBC~~) Bardo Pond Clinic Blond Redhead sunday 19 sept MAIN STAGE: Tindersticks Arab Strap Laika Scott 4 SECOND STAGE: Plaid Laptop Salaryman There are apparently a few more to be announced - SFA (whoop dee fucking doo) were being mentioned along with a boy band from some mailing list or other. I think they whip each other's kilts off like Bucks Fizz. Cheerio, Joss www.thumped.com/scilabs * I said filched. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnk at xxx.gr Wed Jun 2 12:17:12 1999 From: johnk at xxx.gr (John Koliopanos) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:17:12 +0300 Subject: Sinister: Camber Line Up References: Message-ID: <375512B7.94515B00@flash.gr> Isn't Shack Michael Head's post-Pale Fountains project? I had no idea they were still around, didn't he do a solo album last year? No B & S or Gentle Waves then? I suppose Stuart Murdoch will be busy worshipping Lawrence. Anyway, looks like a good bill, with two great pop legends apparently. Hope I'll make it this time. johnk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 13:41:13 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:41:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: BOWELie MOVEMENT WEEKENDER UPDATE! Message-ID: <01BEACFD.950E5380.p.cullen@music-control.com> steve c. wrote: "I finally got off my arse and picked up the Gentle Waves and Looper records and I love them both. I like Looper a bit more I think, but Isobel's voice came out soooo beautiful...I cry to think of it." well steve, if picking up the gentle waves made you cry, then imagine what picking up THE GENITAL WARTS will do to you...... hot off the press: the SCOTTYDOG BOOZE IMPLOSION (my new protege) will now play the BOWELie MOVEMENT weekender. together, we will be sort of like a boozed-up wu-tang clan (only not as hard and scary). unfortunately kids, there has been a slight increase in ticket prices since BOWELie 1, as the cost of the rider for the BOOZE EXPLOSION is naturally quite high (not to mention the largely "medicated products" based rider for CAMPBELL & THE GENITAL WARTS). we will now be charging you ?1,147.18 per person. and anyone who doesn't like it can fuck right off. paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! p.s big up to scottydog (boooze!!! yeeaahh!!), courtney (yay for spending $181 on a pair of shoes!) and canteloupes & sean de vega (!) peace, homies.+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TNewth at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 14:36:42 1999 From: TNewth at xxx.com (Newth, Tom) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:36:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Come down off the cross, we can use the wood Message-ID: <0743C08C3772D211B8B50008C7A4F3B60188CFEC@PON-03> Hi everybody. (having just finished, I apologise in advance for this having rambled so much. but it is my first post, so can I be forgiven?) My excitement at finally gaining a voice was only dampened by the fact of my conscience's dictating that I read the five million messages in my inbox before making use of it. But fun and interesting reading as ever. Sadly three years in the nursery or whatever it was has scrambled my mental notebook of things to say and in any case I wimagine most of them are no longer relevant. Not to worry - fresh irrelevancy is just around the corner. The first time I heard B&S was when a friend played it to me and said "Guess what this is". I couldn't, except I thought it sounded a bit like Smog. Which it doesn't (IYFS). But I was certainly taken, particularly as my supplier of leftfield North American rock and sixties throwbacks had given them the highest recomendation. At which point I went out and bought 369 and have never looked back (having everything I need). I honestly cannot remember when the discovery of something new has brought so much immediate joy into my life. I would give a little introduction of myself for everyone but there's not a huge amount to say. I don't know any of you (except JD Salinger) and as such was sorry to miss the Greenwich picnic, but Steam on the Metropolitan line had my favours for the day. We went on a steam train to Amersham and lunched in a pub before visiting Milton's cottage (run by an admirably dedicated fellow, though a complete loon) and getting on a steam train to come home. Sounds uninspiring, yes, and perhaps so, but a fun day was had by all. Particularly as we got to sit in one of those old first-class carriages on the way back, each secretly hoping that a majestic blonde/brooding Adonis was going to burst in with passionate kisses whilst the plodding officers of the law continued their search elsewhere. Anyway, is there another meet-up anytime soon? I think the point of most interest is that my job sucks. Or at least, of most interest to me. You can probably see what it is from the address. I would just say that if you ever entertain the thought of disposing of your "collectables" via our good offices, don't. But I am a little bitter at the mo. I had a few things I wanted to comment on..... I really like Hesse and Salinger and it's been great to hear so many other people do to. For the record, my favorite story in the world ever is The Laughing Man from 9 Stories (From Esme with Love and Squalor). Not too many stories can make a fellow as teary-eyed.... Someone mentioned The Prodigy by Hesse not so long ago. I agree - super. So good in fact that I read it all in one go. Should anyone have been spurred to investigate further, having read a whole bunch myself, my most humble advice would be to leave The Glass Bead Game until having checked out four or five of the others. It is jolly good, but really a superb digest of the rest of his work which makes the other books seem a bit flat, unless you've got to the stage of wanting to read every word. The best two otherwise to my mind are Steppenwolf and (especially) Narziss & Goldmund. But that said, I recall someone on the list saying a while back that it was all twee pseuo-mystical drivel, which is nearly a fair point... Les Enfants Terribles - the film is by the wonderful Jean-Pierrre Melville if that's of any help to the person who was looking for it. French. 1940's. I know this list should not be abused for "Films/books I like..." but for some reason B&S are linked in my mind with Walden by Thoreau. This may perhaps be because I read it at the time when I was really heavily getting into the band, but it may also be because of the ornery loner/different drum similarities. I have given up expecting anyone to follow my advice and read it. My girlfriend gave up after 30 pages, the my North American rockchick friend was horrified when I sent to it her for Christmas ("I fucking hate that book.." - aren't you meant to lie when you get presents you don't want?) and no-one else seems inclined to touch it with a bargepole. But I think it is wonderful and it is also Rock Hudson's favorite book in All That Heaven Allows. The other thing that reminds me of B&S all the time is one of my favourite records, that is Heads & Tails by Derek Griffiths. I should be most interested if anyone else out there knows it (apart from JD Salinger, who I know appreciates the odd songs scattered through compilation tapes). He sings about a fox, though not in the snow. And a proboscis monkey. (incase of forgetfulness, and with apologies to non-Brit listees, he was one of the playschool presenters circa Brian Cant era. He wrote the all the songs and sings and plays everything on the album himself. Whilst, if the sleeve photos are anything to go by, monged out out of his head) (oh, and this is not a covert attempt to resurrect the kiddies' programmes thread by the way..) I have done moderately well at converting friends and neighbours to B&S, although the last person I made a tape for lost it for a month, found it, and told me the next day it made her want to slit her wrists. Oops. I am sad to see so many people dissing Lydia (if that is her real name) and Spain's entry to Eurovision. I was the only person at our party to give it more than 4 points, if only because of the excitement generated at the thought that she might pull that odd heart-shaped thing out of her decolletage and tear it up in an emotional climax to the song. My favourite bit was Portugal's guitar solo. My apologies for reverting to old threads but a) where oh where can I get the Dr Pepper gum that someone mentioned ages ago? and b) I know someone who got a vibrating love egg stuck up their bum. Not very pleasant apparently. (and no, that's not a roundabout way of saying it was me - the best I've done is a sugarpuff up my nose and bacon rind wrapped round my tonsils). Did anyone else visit Dungeness after Bowlie? If you're all going to All Tomorrow's Parties I cannot reccomend it enough. Weird shit. I know there was at least one other chalet there while we were (by their battered old Super8 cameras shall ye know them) who seemed to dig it as much as we did. It really is too extraordinary a place to pace up a visit of at such a short distance away. JD Salinger told me they used to film Dr Who episodes there all the time, which (from my vantage point behind the couch, and before mum banned me from watching it) I can well believe. Seems like time to wind this up - apologies for the length again, but the first flush of voicedom has left me overflowing with tasty morsels that somehow seem worth passing on (no doubt until I get this arriving in my inbox..) You all seem like genuinely nice and interesting people, and I cannot comment on comparisons to other lists, this being the one and only for me, but it has been a real pleasure rading the archive/posts since I joined up. Love to you all Spoon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tourajsig2 at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 14:53:52 1999 From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Breast-Feed Posh Ogled By A Million Germans Message-ID: <19990602135352.22387.rocketmail@web114.yahoomail.com> ...today's front-page Daily Star headline. British journalism - best (and most surreal ?) in the world. This "All Tomorrow's Parties" thing. I must admit, I wasn't keen. Same venue, some of the same faces, perhaps even the same ruthlessly inefficient staff - but, a B&S-inspired event without any members of B&S ? One can't help but be reminded of the lame Police Academy sequels - tragically lacking Steve Guttenberg's easy charm, unconventional good looks and masterly comic. Timing. However, Joss threw his kitten amongst the vultures when he dropped the following names like so much confetti: > Stereolab > Laika > Tindersticks > High Llamas > Plaid > Salaryman Which means it's more akin to a Police Academy sequel written by Donald Barthelme and PG Wodehouse, starring Chris Morris, Steve Buscemi and Janeane Garofalo and directed by Hal Hartley, David Hare, Hartley the Hare and Dave Lee Travis. All a bit futurist avant-retro neo-bonkers for a double-decker bus to be appropriate this time though; monorail to the coast, anyone ? Erlend Hammer signed off a debut post with: > and the next vi-de-o was by Belly. And I laughed like a saucepan. Cheerio, Mike. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 15:15:01 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:15:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: throw yo' gloves in da air (an' wave 'em like you jus' don' care) Message-ID: <01BEAD0A.AF8A30A0.p.cullen@music-control.com> Hey everyone, (two posts in one day - somebody must be bored) public apology - sorry for stealing pj millers "GENITAL WARTS" (TM) idea. i just didn't know that i had stolen it, seeing as i've only been on the list a wet day :) dont fret though, my new bigger and better isobel campbell tribute band will now be called "THE WAVING GENITALS" and will still be playing the BOWELie weekender. till next time, paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Wed Jun 2 15:21:54 1999 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:21:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: nick drake fakes and anonymous b&s Message-ID: well, i went to the york nick drake tribute on sunday and it was hot and crowded and they played TBWTAS in between sets and some people danced to it, and there was an odd looking guy with a fur trimmed anorak and a belle and sebastian bus t-shirt under it. so that was nice. and the headlining act was a sweet shy guy with red hair and a lovely voice. hmm. also in attendance was a bloke from uni who has already been noted by my friends and me for his uncanny resemblance to nick drake (except with facial hair), a fact which many other people pointed out on sunday in excited whispers. but apparently he is a bit of a git, and i bet he can't sing. last night i went out with a friend of mine and her fiance, who told me a rather nice story about (shock horror) belle and sebastian. he works in a book/record shop and they're always finding dodgy old stock with no covers, which is usually awful, but they play it in the shop for a laugh. well, one day a while ago they found another mystery record, put it on and the initial verdict was "this guy can't sing". but then they all found themselves getting strangely attached to it and playing it all the time, still not knowing who it was. and lo and behold, one day it was revealed to be IYFS.... which just goes to show than B&S win hearts and ears even when no-one knows them from adam (ant). so nerrrrr to everyone who thinks they're an "indie cred" kind of band. can't remember what else i was going to say/respond to. lickety splits, archel xxx ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth do something pretty while you can don't be afraid rap101 at york.ac.uk skating a pirouette on ice is cool http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From zoe.parsons at xxx.uk Wed Jun 2 15:55:09 1999 From: zoe.parsons at xxx.uk (janetzx) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:55:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Come down off the cross, we can use the wood Message-ID: <001501bead07$e93518e0$52b501a3@stu082.sjc.ox.ac.uk> -----Original Message----- From: Newth, Tom To: 'sinister' Date: 02 June 1999 14:36 Subject: Sinister: Come down off the cross, we can use the wood > I know someone who >got a vibrating love egg stuck up their bum. Not very pleasant apparently. >(and no, that's not a roundabout way of saying it was me - the best I've >done is a sugarpuff up my nose and bacon rind wrapped round my tonsils). A medic-student friend of mine had to deal with a bloke who had a vibrator stuck up his bum - apparently he was sitting there happy as a clam, saying, "I have a vibrator in my bottom. My wife put it there." All the students were v polite and kept their faces straight, but the real doctors were creasing up. They had to send a call round the hospital for the doctor with the longest fingers. When he turned up, he took one look at the bloke and ran out of the room cos he was laughing so hard. They tried to do an x-ray but it didn't work cos the entertainment appliance was still on and buzzing manically in its cosy nook. In the end they had to knock the guy out and haul it down with forceps. so kids, be careful what you try at home. I've just bought TBWTAS, finally. One of those people who listen to the same cd for ages then eveeeennnntttttttuuuuuuaaaaaaaallllllllllyyyyyyyy get round to buying another. It is incredible - the best b&s i have heard, i never twigged that isobel had a lovely voice. is it wicked not to care? Oh yes. WOW!!!! I just realised, i've been using capitals! This is so strange. usually i defend to the death my right not to (by being very quiet) unless i want to SHOUT SOMETHING LOUD Cheese pun: Ease your feet in the Brie. mISSED EUROvision (oops caps lock) cos was at gig of one of THE BEST BANDS IN THE WORLD. EVER. now sadly no longer with us cos it was a bye-bye gig. Beaker? anyone? oxforddy people may have heard of them. but prob no-one else :o( which is sad. even a tragedy. but hey. when i was a kiddy i had a beaker - it was like a mug with a lid, with some tiny holes punched in it, so i could drink without spilling anything. so i couldn't go home weeping over spilt/split-up milk/band but i bought TBWTAS instead. Eurovision - did anything come close to Guido from Italy, last year? The old bloke with the great swathes of manky hair and lurid clothes who leapt up the stage walls, swinging like a gibbon from the balconies? howling GUIDO! GUIDO LOOOOOOOVES YOU! they just don't write them like that any more. loving and leaving, janet +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Wed Jun 2 15:55:41 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:55:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: So where has the summer gone, then? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Archel wrote: > well, i went to the york nick drake tribute on sunday and it was hot and > crowded and they played TBWTAS in between sets and some people danced to > it, and there was an odd looking guy with a fur trimmed anorak and a belle > and sebastian bus t-shirt under it. That wouldn't have been our very own David Kitchen by any chance? The description seems to fit ;-) Nice to see the Bowlie 2 lineup at last. So many wonderful bands - Shack (2 weeks and counting until the new album!), Tindersticks, and, erm, that's about it... I guess I may be able to persuade myself to save a bit more money then to spend when I get to South America later in the year... I would also like to take this opportunity to be smug about the fact that I had my last exam ever this morning. I'd like to, but I can't, because most of you had your last exam ever years ago. And noone else round here finishes until at least tomorrow, so I can't even go down the pub for the afternoon because there's noone to go with... Big Stu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 11:36:45 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:36:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: who has the monkey beanie-baby? you die.. Message-ID: Richard Connell wrote: > Hi there crime-fighting monkeys (on jet-skis) I dreamt, not last night, but the night before that my textiles teacher presented me with a yellow mobile phone with a monkey-shaped cover (you lifted off it's head to get the phone out) because i was her favorite student. I think this is because a yellow mobile phone with a monkey shaped cover is my secret desire, but it doesn't make much sense seen as my texiles teacher doesn't like me very much (never was one for embroidery. I've been missing picnics and fun sinister things, while locked up on study leave. It's not like I've actually been working! Yesterday I watched 'Pretty In Pink' for the millionth time and feel asleep sitting up. It's a great film, Pretty In Pink, just where did the eighties bratpack go? down the pan? I put a belle and sebastian track on my 'songs to play when feeling sad' tape, along with other trash like the lilys and gene pitney. The track was 'Seeing other people'. OK, i'm definatley not on form today! so i shall stop right now. Erica x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Wed Jun 2 16:54:37 1999 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:54:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Haven't got a stitch to wear... Message-ID: Hi my darlings! Was it Marie Elia who talked about her cousin in Knoxville? Just a very trivial introduction to our plans por tonight : watching 007's tribute starting with Ursula Andress drooling over that white iconic bikini.I have something proper to wear, a ye-ye dress very similar to the ones the GoldFinger army girls display. But not to attend in a proper fashion 'All tomorrow's parties'.At least I hope my hair will have grown by then resembling Nico's style,so much in the catwalks this summer.Or hippier, if that annoys Tim Hopkins a bit...I had some really nice nouvelle cuisine dish of my own invention today for lunch : celery and apple salad with Greek yogurt and Blue Stilton cream.Try it! Joss has really made all of us regard this B&S event with no B&S content , worst than a veggie burger,lets say. Are Stereolab playing in London by 18th June? I read that a long ago and not very sure about the source.It is curious that we joined this list because of our appreciation of Belle and Sebastian music, but most of us really liked some very 'distant' stuff, the same stuff , I mean, as Stereolab or Jon Spencer Booze Explosion. Even someone has rated 'Pictures of Lily'as their Who favorite. The Who, at least during the 60's, were the maximum specialists in portraying insatisfied youngsters. What about 'I am a boy', or 'I can't explain'? I wouldn't mind to meet David Kitchen in a fur trimmed anorak,by the way. A. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From PaperSun23 at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 17:05:54 1999 From: PaperSun23 at xxx.com (PaperSun23 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:05:54 EDT Subject: Sinister: My Defense of The Who Message-ID: <1bf213a6.2486b062@aol.com> ah yes, good ol' Quadrophenia...... Blake coming through again! hugs, moon patroller carrie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 17:08:59 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:08:59 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk Fun..... Message-ID: <000001bead12$39978340$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Hello out there. I hope you are all well and happy. I have been very busy these days making wedding dress's and invitations and stuff like that.... But I have enjoyed reading all your fun posts. Last weekend Eliott New and I had a little Tigermilk party of our own.... It was nice to listen to the album and stuff..... I think that Eliott especially liked seeing a real copy of TM in person in vinyl. :) So, anyway, despite the lack of TM being released here in the states just yet, we listened to it and had a great time!!! He even got to take home one of my photo's of Stu. Just for the record - the photo of Isobel that was in the Select article last month (the one where she is holding up a wee shaker) is MINE!!! Bloody fat cats at national magazines giving photo credit to some tosser I don't even know... Okay, no I feel vindicated.... :) Nice little article too, huh? Snoggs to you all elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dunca_chap at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 18:27:07 1999 From: dunca_chap at xxx.com (Adam Chapman) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:27:07 GMT Subject: Sinister: Epping and Ongar Message-ID: <19990602172708.20930.qmail@hotmail.com> Well hello my darlings... The following is in some sort of way in response to the thread on Conversions to the fine cause that is B&S. Not to put too fine point on it i need HELP, not medicaal or indeed much else that no doubt exercises your fevered imaginings [or an inability to recall Pj Harvey, Some of my friends would kill if they knew], however, a serious question presents itself, honest it does... hard as it may be for some of you [o.k not very many, but those much more twee than i], to imagine, B&S are not at all easy to explain to thase without an idea as to who Nick Drake, Donovan et al actually were and what they sound like. this occurs to me as i mentioned them to various people and when pressed could offer nothing better than the rather lame; "erm... a bit like early Smiths maybe?". even this is greeted with politely blank looks [ or sometimes after some thought "The Smiths, who?" i grin and change the subject. My question therefore dear friends is this: How the hell do you explain the band you love to someone who might cite Catatonia, or worse, Terrorvision [arrrrrrrggggghhhh!!!!!!] as the very peak of musical sophistication ? To be fair, this last is something of a worst case senario, but suggestiions welcome............................................. To all 1000+ of you XXXXXXXX AJc [on behalf of the Society for the propagation of Belle and Sebastian, membership open to all !] "Because I know that you know, that we know they don't know whats been going on.... " Gruff Rhys, SFA, 'Demons' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Wed Jun 2 17:16:08 1999 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:16:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: My Defense of The Who References: <1bf213a6.2486b062@aol.com> Message-ID: <000701bead13$468619d0$4e0129c2@sun> > > > ah yes, good ol' Quadrophenia...... Oddly enough, you seem to have timed that message to come into my mailbox at 5:15! Out of my brain on the train! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 18:50:33 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:50:33 EDT Subject: Sinister: Come down off the cross, we can use the wood Message-ID: Hi! << Eurovision - did anything come close to Guido from Italy, last year? The old bloke with the great swathes of manky hair and lurid clothes who leapt up the stage walls, swinging like a gibbon from the balconies? howling GUIDO! GUIDO LOOOOOOOVES YOU! >> I would just like to say that this guy wasn't from Italy, but from Germany. His name is Guildo Horn. I don't really like him, but it was a nice change to the stuff you usually get at Eurovision, wasn't it? And I like the producer of the song, Stefan Raab. He is a very funny entertainer (yes, there are actually a few funny people in Germany), and he wants to try and take part in Eurovision 2000 again. So that should be something to look forward to ... Oh, even something B & S related there: Last year Stefan persuaded the viewers of his TV show to call in for Guildo at the ... don't know what it's called in English - pre-show? - and he got more then 50 % of the votes. And the producer of one of the other acts accused them of cheating, Waterman/Brits style. :-) Argh ... that heat is driving me mad, I got a feeling like my English is even worse then usual. Hope you got an idea of what I was trying to say! Antje *the only thing I learned when I was still a child was to take a hiding* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From zoe.parsons at xxx.uk Wed Jun 2 19:31:05 1999 From: zoe.parsons at xxx.uk (janetzx) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:31:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: antje's thingy (not his naughty one) Message-ID: <004401bead26$131eca20$52b501a3@stu082.sjc.ox.ac.uk> oh my. i am so sorry. Guildo from Germany? i thought his unbridled passion could only be a product of the mediterranean, not those chilly teutonic parts. How cool! Categoric proof that germans DO have a sense of humour - maybe even more than one! (not really antje darling! if i have offended your sensiblities drop me a line and i will vote for you on the list crush site, tho i have already pledged my body, spirit and clothes to A.N. Other - but hey, I will prostitute myself for the general good of the sinister collective) I think lazy jane (deriving from hazy jane deriving from Crazy Jane poems by Yeats? would be nifty cultural cross fertilization thang, makey me happy and smiles for the bunnies) ANYWAY, i think she is bored and she read somewhere that if you lick very cold metal your tongue sticks to it, and you have to rip the skin off/wait til spring before you are released. And she is giving it a go cos her life is boring and everyone hates her; this puts some exitement back into her life and gives her a chance to join in with the general jane-bashing that seems to be going on. But the silly bint, typically, only gets a tedious disease which she can't tell anyone about, so she continues to appear boring and her life can only get worse :-) But maybe someone was taking her up the arse as well. perhaps she is a cat. Cats lick pavements. Or a dog. or a bit of Broccolli. (my cat eats bits of broccolli for breakfast) My sister is a goth. she murmured something once about goth philosophy, externalizing monsters. I will check up on this and let you know. All the goths I've met are very very nice people. Ma sis sez: if people go around wearing their wierdness on the outside, chances are they will turn out to be the most normal people you have talked to all week. Aside from being original, interesting, un-socially-conditioned, open-minded, and generally welcoming of all breeds and species of human, except sometimes "tourists" ie people who go to goth clubs and pubs with the sole aim of inspecting these nutters from close up, like they were in a zoo or sumthing. Goths do pretty things. They wear corsets, beautiful stockings, and have nice hair. Sometimes some of them go ice-skating too. 2 posts in one day. Long ones too. I must get a life. I'm really just trying to tempt Hunny back into the fold. Hi Mum! Get well soon if you aren't already! love janet who must cut all her fingers off to save your inboxes. but is tooooo exited to shut up as she's just heard TBWTAS for the first time but you knew that already........ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Wed Jun 2 20:45:28 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:45:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Ralgex Message-ID: <199906021945.UAA29901@boober.lineone.net> Dear Sinister types, I've made my excuses privately for not appearing at The Greenwich Picnic ( I was there, just rather late) but I hope to make the next one. I'll be studying very nearby from September so that should make things easier. If anyone asked me for a B&S Digital video thing and hasn't heard from me let me know. You should have done by now but I just want to be sure. Interesting comments about depression/drugs/psychotherapy. I agree with Stephen that anti-depressants/ therapy don't necessarily stifle creativity. Sometimes it can be that the person is so depressed that everything, creative or otherwise seems pointless. Anthony Storr (psychological bigwig) wrote 'Severe depression renders those who suffer from it incapable of productive work, and inaccessible to psychotherapy'. I believe him. ( He's written books and everything). I think drugs are often used to open the way for psychotherapy and are usually seen as a temporary measure if possible. I agree, though, that there can be a tendency to prescribe them willynilly (as with antibiotics). One last point- teachers in my experience aren't taught to, in fact are discouraged from getting involved in issues which are not necessarily within their field. More often than not it is a child's parents who doggedly request psychological reports and diagnoses. It is preferable to have a child with a medical disorder rather than one who is just an ill mannered git, or a normal teenager (not that the 2 are the same thing). Anyway, that's enough from me about that. Kimberly Rehak (of The Lost Badges), I must apologise as I quoted you with the wrong name in my last post. I had the right letters/sounds but in the wrong order. I am very sorry. Finally, I used to be well into the Airplane (maaan) but when I listened to them the other day I couldn't for the life of me see why. How strange. Love Rob "Paul, I think I told you, I'm a lover, not a fighter' Michael Jackson +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 18:40:09 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:40:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: A quick message Message-ID: <19990602214009.HM.0000000000178bA@mixmail.com> My apologies for using the list for this, but, I need to ask something: Katarina Karlsson, do you want the NY gig, don�t you ? E-Mail me at my other adress: jordi at belleandsebastian.org ================================================== Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From EliotNew at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 23:37:47 1999 From: EliotNew at xxx.com (EliotNew at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:37:47 EDT Subject: Sinister: Laddies and Gentlewaves, El Zober! Message-ID: <19cccd56.24870c3b@aol.com> RE: Elle and Eliot weekend meetup: All true. Exciting things are happening in Aloha. Elle was gracious enough to marshal a private parade of B&S obscura that passed in front of only me. Mugs, badges, Stu-made t-shirts, tour passes, candid photos, 'Weathershow' single whose sleeve photo she took, and a teasing three-track of videos (on the forbidding format of PAL) including DOW which I hear she appears in. On and on. Of course a mint pressing of Tigermilk which, she doesn't know but, I swapped the disc out of, leaving a world weary copy of Boots Randolph's 'Yakety Sax' in the jacket and sliding the Tigermilk record up the back of my shirt. And she's got lots of stories to tell. If Elle wants to meet up and show you some things, be advised to do so. Was delighted by vinyl twice that weekend as I corrected an alphabetizing error in my records which led to a DJ copy of The Channels 'The Stars In The Sky' being placed next to 'Maybe' by The Chantels on black label END!!! They just look so good together. Eliot +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Wed Jun 2 23:59:48 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:59:48 -0700 Subject: Sinister: It's a Crying Shame.... Message-ID: <000501bead4b$9cf7f1c0$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Due to the volume of emails I thought I would do a general post - sorry for the sloppy seconds.... I wasn't in DOW I was in (for a brief pan of the camera) in Century of Fakers.... That's okay, no autographs please.... Does someone have a bucket to vomit in? :) Just wanted to clear that up. Snoggs Elle PS - Much to Eliott's disapointment I still have my Tigermilk.... Wee cheeky bastard.....! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com Thu Jun 3 00:03:27 1999 From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:03:27 EDT Subject: Sinister: Ralgex Message-ID: <200b87b6.2487123f@aol.com> In a message dated 6/2/99 3:50:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, robhalcrow at lineone.net writes: << "Paul, I think I told you, I'm a lover, not a fighter' Michael Jackson >> What a wonderful list. Where else could one hear lyrics from "Thriller" quoted in this day and age. Though, from the modern perspective, perhaps the song should have been called "The Pre-Pubescent Boy is Mine". Mikey seems to like them that way. The other day a friend and I turned "Thriller" up quite loud and danced in a parking lot. I attempted to moonwalk in the rain and puddles. I think that we terrified a good many people dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Thu Jun 3 00:18:42 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:18:42 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Wacky Lyrics Message-ID: <199906021918_MC2-77FC-6B4C@compuserve.com> Hey Boy Hey Girl, Thanks to that nice Mr Nick Dastoordly for another helping of bellnsebastianlyrics. Also for the Washington Irving extract (I have to confess I didn't know the origin of that bit from "I Crowdie Dreaming"). I 'pologise for my pedantry (parental pair pedagogues), but I postulate: Times grew worse and worse with Rip Van Winkle as years of matrimony rolled on; a tart temper never mellows with age, and a sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use. Although tart tempter is altogether more Sinister :) Good to see Looper opening for Motorhead (sorry - can't do diareses in plain text): when I last saw Lemmy with Hawkwind they didn't have a support, especially Stacia, boom, boom! I think I'll give All Tomorrow's Farting a miss, as anyone expecting to see 5 bands on Friday had better start queuing the weekend before (the Topless Dominoes Weekender). Its a deal Mr H!O!Pkins: that Hannon bloke is owed some serious torturing for all that he's inflicted on us. (Although incarceration in a wood shed would be more fitting.) Send me your address & I'll rush you some tree-hugging hippy crap pronto, with added cosmic dragon-flying hyperdrive on the side at no extra charge. Tune into Channel 4 now for the Lou Reed documentary, That's All Folks, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Thu Jun 3 04:16:41 1999 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (Marie Elia) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: "momentum makes my head pondrous and heavy" Message-ID: <19990603031641.15307.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com> dearest listerines! ah, how nice to be sitting in my windowless, badly furnished little office today, sneaking peaks at my mail, and see you all load up my mailbox with lovely smut -- especially lesley jo's subject heading about isobel whipping out her, erm, yeah. ("suck my left one!" -bikini kill). and thank you LJ and -- oh, who was the other one? a boy, i think -- for assuring me of the existence of tigermilk bars.... now, as far as i can remember, the lilys have been mentioned twice on this list recently. and i'm intrigued, also b/c a band i saw recently -- i think rainer maria -- the drummer was wearing a lilys tshirt. it looked like stu m's felt shirt, but saying lilys instead (duh -- but, you know, the same lovely round lowercase black letters). oh, my point! please tell me about these lilys!! why is no one excited about tortoise at bowlie 2? granted, i can't imagine what they'd be like live, but i thought the same about stereolab... aaaaaaaaaaaaah! i went to the roolz page! props to all you boys! that was fabulous. what was that about stuart m. being in a band once whose sole purpose was to create as much publicity as possible without actually making any music? am i making that up? i swear i read it somewhere... do you boys actually make music? the gentlewaves were reviewed in SPIN. i won't bother -- it was negative of course. but they Did give RainerMaria a good review (damn, i am on a rainermaria KICK. must be cuz they're so fucking good.) okay, my dears. i have now spent 2 days in the corporate world of manhattan. i work for The Man. and i need a break, quite frankly, although my company (which is made up of quite nice folk) are throwing a party for the employees at the Supper Club tomorrow night, so that's a perk... oh, yes, my point: i hereby request that all nyc/nycArea sinisterites email me or something so we can get on our way to a nyc pic-a-nic. do it now, and we might organize it by august! :) good night, all. love, marie "when you're ready to read between the lines, and the paper isn't telling you anything" -rainermaria _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sleeka_sounds at xxx.com Thu Jun 3 10:54:27 1999 From: sleeka_sounds at xxx.com (Sleeka Sounds) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 02:54:27 PDT Subject: Sinister: Twaddle my Paddle Message-ID: <19990603095428.61910.qmail@hotmail.com> I've been in bed with the killer flu since sunday. I got chills, and ohhh burny fever. In the midst of my illness I had my first Trousers dream. I'd close your eyes if you are of shaky disposition, or if your name is Trousers. In my dream I went to visit Stevie Trousers. He was doing a new piece for Papercuts, which involved taking rapid photos of himself bollock naked as he scraped at his crotch region, screaming "TWADDLE MY PADDLE, TWADDLE MY PADDLE, YOU BASTARDS". Then I woke up. Tell you what, he's a lot hairier than you'd imagine. I feel quite dirty after typing that, but I imagine I've done Trousers list crush tally a world of good. On a lighter note, hello to everyone I met at the weekend, you're all lovely. Gosh, it's nearly the weekend again. Fancy that. Lovely lemsip. It's legal heroin, you know! Regards, Sort of chris =================================== Visit the Sleeka Sounds Corporation http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~calnd/sleeka/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From j_kerswell at xxx.com Thu Jun 3 11:23:04 1999 From: j_kerswell at xxx.com (Magpie Jay) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 03:23:04 PDT Subject: Sinister: Transeuropean party conspiracy Message-ID: <19990603102305.44323.qmail@hotmail.com> The weirdest party i have ever popped in... *******BUT FIRST AN IDEA******* : Has anyone thought of compiling a list of Sinister members websites, and linking them all together in a sinisterines webring? There could be a sinisterine webring icon that every member puts on their page and links to other members sites connecting them in one big circle. _______________________ Anyway, onto the subject line I went to two most unusual parties last weekend, the first actually having some B&S content! It was a Eurovision song contest party in a small flat in Clerkenwell London, the invite stated that all guests must be on time for the start at 7.45pm, and come as a European country. I was arriving as Germany in military uniform, however due to staying out all afternoon watching the thunderstorm in a friends back garden (with the Doors �riders on the storm� bellowing out from his speakers in a cheesy feelgood moment) arrived very late. To cover for my lateness I burnt and shredded much of my clothing covered myself in fake blood and pretended that my Hindenberg had been blown up over the Hanger Lane Gyratory system. I made my entrance spouting fake german vulgerisms and crying �sabotage� during the scoring�..only to find everyone neatly dressed in party clothes. Mightily embarassed I scarpered to the bathroom and changed. It was a Eurovision party, but all the guests were Glaswegians. Towards the end of the evening I suddenly noticed to my joy, a chap in the �cartoon kids� B&S T-shirt. Half drunk I pointed to him and cheered, he was a little startled at first, but soon realised what I was smiling at. I asked if he was on Sinister, but he hadn�t heard of it. It turns out his name is Craig, and he actually plays football with Stuart Murdoch every week! He has a copy of Tigermilk, and wants Stuart to sign it, but feels really bad and awkward about asking. I tried to pursuade him that it would be a worthy addition to his life and advised on how to subtly gauge Stuarts opinion on whether or not he would be offended or irked. I told him as they were friends anyway, I�m sure he wouldn�t mind. I like to think he�ll get his signature this year. And for what it�s worth , I think Iceland should have won. The weirder party was on Sunday. Me and some friends met some random guy in a Soho pub on Friday and after five minutes he invited us to his party. I was convinced the party was some sort of sociological experiment with hidden cameras just like the Channel 4 �Tourist Trap�. Nearly everyone at the party had only met this guy, Danny, once in a pub and been invited. His house was full of complete strangers yet everyone was touchy feely and there was an overiding aura of fluid asexuality about the place. Even more bizarrely, the nationality of guests was extraordinarily diverse, with people from Sweden, Israel, England, America, Ghana, Germany, Slovakia, Finland, France, and several eastern block nations. The scariest of all were the Norwegian girls. They were very beautiful and faerie looking, but there was this one girl who looked like Jodie Foster and ran around biting everyone, which was un-nervingly enjoyable, yet ultimately scarring. It felt like we were all put together for some kind of test or audition, I voiced my concern at the conspiracy and sure enough, the objective was exhumed. The hosts are holding a mass �blind date� next Saturday and they were inviting selected people. I managed to score an invite. They have emailed 100 people a questionaire on their lives and loves, and are going to match everyone up with a stranger. Then we all sit down for a banquet and either hit on each other or hit each other. I have a reservation that the real conspiracy is that it is in fact a scam, as we have to pay up front, but I have a blind trust in the people I met. I haven�t been on a blind date before let a lone a mass one, so am more than curious, if not apprehensive. Not bad for a shybee! Catch ya on the keys, Jay http://www.members.tripod.com/john_kerswell/star.html "What is it up in the air for? It's gonna fall." -Mr Stipe. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alan.singfield at xxx.com Thu Jun 3 13:05:33 1999 From: alan.singfield at xxx.com (Alan Singfield) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:05:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Transeuropean party conspiracy Message-ID: <6357CBA4ECC4D211A67C00805FD787D7065C6E@shuban.isoftplc.com> Magpie Jay wrote: > The hosts are holding a mass 'blind date' next Saturday and they were > inviting selected people. I managed to score an invite. They have emailed > 100 people a questionaire on their lives and loves, and are going to match > everyone up with a stranger. Then we all sit down for a banquet and either > hit on each other or hit each other. I have a reservation that the real > conspiracy is that it is in fact a scam, as we have to pay up front, but I > have a blind trust in the people I met. I haven't been on a blind date > before let a lone a mass one, so am more than curious, if not apprehensive. > Not bad for a shybee! Oops! This sounds remarkably familiar to the strategy of "flirty fishing" performed by American religious cults to induce new members. They would induce new members by flirting, meeting first in pubs and parties, then progressively only being available through the cult. Before you know it, you've given them all your posessions and sacrificed your mother on an altar of burning pig carcasses! Mind you, I thought that most listerines would sacrifice their mother on an altar of burning pig carcasses for a signed copy of Tigermilk... Alternatively, it might just be a fun night out; let us know how you get on. Spanners. >--< +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Thu Jun 3 13:45:18 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:45:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Winter Wooskie lyrics Message-ID: <80256785.00461184.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Here is Stuart David's latest effort. For those who missed it at Camber Sands or Dublin, like 'Paper Boat' it's got a bit of a sing-song, faux-naif quality to it. This is my way of saying it's not that great. But it is nice. Like the Beach Boy's album 'Friends' is nice but not great. Stuart inrtoduced it by saying that it wasn't as good as the Flaming Lips. Which reminds me - someone sent me a tape of last year's Brussels show and in it Stevie introduces 'The Wrong Girl' by saying 'This song's not been released yet. It probably never will be' in a kind of self-effacing way. That band really need to improve their attitude. I think they should start boasting about how they are the best band in the world ever and swear more. Shunning journalists is good, but perhaps fighting them would be even better. Jay promised to tell us about 'The weirdest party he had ever popped in...' But I got to the end and there was no popping denoument at all. I was expecting a bit of flatulence at the very least. Did anyone else see that documentary about the University of Iowa's 'Greek system' of sonority and fraternity houses. It was quite the weirdest thing I have ever seen. Apparently a fifth of all new students arrive a week early to go through a sick selection procedure ('Rush') for all these 'secret' single-sex societies with names like 'Alpha Kai Kai' and 'Gamma Beta Sigma'. If they get in the girls get to be all prissy and live without alcohol and the boys get to boast about collecting more sonority girls' knickers than those pussies over at Beta Pi Eater. And they have to pay up to $11000 over their time at university for the privilege. I never really understood what frat-boys were before. But yeah, if anything the girls were sicker. They all sang songs like 'We are Alpha Kai Kai and we are great / Always Alpha Kai Kai / I love Alpha Kai Kai' whilst touching each others pointed fingers and banning fruit in drinks. But the REALLY scary part was that 80% of all major CEOs and most of the military and all but two US presidents have participated in this 'character-building' tomfoolery. It's like SoS - but *WORSE*. Would any US listee like to admit to being part of it and explain why this is complete mispresentation? Nick xx 'Winter Wooskie' Who's that girl? She must be nearly freezing Who's that girl? I'll bet All that snow makes it hard so see her Takes you away to me And maybe I'm in love Love love, love love And maybe that's enough That stuff, that stuff Made a film I made it through the winter Who's that star I cast? All wrapped up in her winter wardrobe She hurries by so fast And maybe I'm in love Love love, love love And maybe that's enough That stuff, that stuff On sunny days when the sun shines I watch the tape And through the snow, through the winter I watch her wave to me Who's that girl? She must be nearly freezing +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Thu Jun 3 13:11:14 1999 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:11:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I am the god of hellfire and I can't remember what he says next. In-Reply-To: <000001bead12$39978340$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> References: <000001bead12$39978340$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Message-ID: <+1PHqBAiDnV3EwYv@elsato97.demon.co.uk> Hello SINISTER!!! I finally figured out how to make the mp3 of TRAGEDY! I downloaded YONKS ago to work. Oh yes!!! Its better than anything. But Elle can beat me SHE HAS HER OWN TIGERMILK!!!!! Add it to the register honeychile.... I don't have my own Tigermilk, but I have touched one in a seedy hotel room in Preston. I've not met THE BAND or appeared in a VIDEO (wowsers) either, but....oh no actually I have met the band but said they smelt of wee, fell over and was sick all over Richard Colburns shoes. Sister Disco - jealous or WHAT. And I've got photos of the band too! But NOT ONES THAT APPEAR IN REAL MAGAZINES, isn't that mad??? Next you'll be telling me you've had up the bum sex with the band...at the same time....then we'll all fall over and start the Elle-Groupie list. Are we still talking about 'the who' in small letters? No! Hooray! Isn't the internet great for this teenybippetyboppety music? Wow man. ¿viva la revolución? I would have used exclamation marks but I don't know how to get the upsidedown ex-clam-ma-ma-ma-mation mark. Its good for getting various SOOOOWWWLE music gubbins as well. The only thing its crap for is indiepoppety stuff. Good thing to. I tried to download Scrabble yesterday for the pooter cos nobody wants to play scrabble with me and I HAD THE URGE. So I spent yonks downloading this thingie with breathless anticipation for the Scrabble Joys that would await me and ended up with a very posh film about a Scrabble Champion called Mavern who challenged me to beat him at Scrabble. Bastard. I could have beaten him if he'd actually given me the game instead of an overhyped quicktime film. The shit. What we need to save our souls is a sussed sexy and tough girl band. Hmmm...... Sarah +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Thu Jun 3 14:56:22 1999 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:56:22 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Guildo and bubblegum In-Reply-To: <0743C08C3772D211B8B50008C7A4F3B60188CFEC@PON-03> Message-ID: <199906031357.PAA20823@front3.grolier.fr> Hello. Guildo Horn! Very important that someone mentioned him, the best cultural ambassador of German humour next to Helmut Kohl, but as Heeeeelmut has now retired, there's only him left. But we will all remember Mr. Kohl for his sentence: "the important thing is what comes out behind". And I don't think he had vibrating love eggs in mind. Normally, the shows of Guildo also included taking off his shirt and showing that he's got more hair on his chest than you would expect, and to throw home-made biscuits in the audience. So what went on last year in the Eurovision was only half the fun, really.. There is a band called Rainer Maria? I don't know if that's cool or pretentious, so I'll be a nice person and suppose it's cool. Will this start a thread about the many wonderful works of Rilke? I don't want to be held responsable for that, so I won't ramble about the wonderful works of Rilke now. > a) where oh where can I get the Dr Pepper gum that someone > mentioned ages ago? That was me. I remember having seen this in Germany and Austria, which is strange, because I've never seen the drink here. And I suppose that it tastes completely different, because it did not remind me of plum at all; more of cinnamon. Or was this gum Dr- something-else? Maybe my memory is letting me down. BTW I like the way you mention something in a post and soemone remembers it 3 weeks later. Makes you feel that you exist. So many Hermann Hesse fans here! I really thought his fame would stop with screaching tyres at the border of the german-speaking countries. You're all soooo well-educated! and I am a poor chap who has not even read a single book by JD Salinger. Not even Catcher in the Rye. And never seen a film by Hal Hartley. Don't stare at me like that. Jan PS: "Breast-Feed Posh Ogled By A Million Germans".. could someone please translate this for me? The Dark Site of the Moon: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/index.html Tindersticks page: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/tinderpage/tinder.html To love oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance. -Oscar Wilde +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Elizabeth.Kurtis at xxx.com Thu Jun 3 16:03:01 1999 From: Elizabeth.Kurtis at xxx.com (Kurtis, Elizabeth) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:03:01 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Guildo and bubblegum Message-ID: <262810611403D211A8FF00A0C94CAF3B024DE369@QUAY-STREET1> Jan asked: > PS: "Breast-Feed Posh Ogled By A Million Germans".. could someone > please translate this for me? > I ran it through the infamous babelfish into German and it gave me this: > Stillen Posh Beschmutzt Durch Million Deutsche > Don't know if it's right, but there you go! :) Elisabeth (going nuts at work and slowly insane) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Thu Jun 3 15:17:27 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:17:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: "take my wife, no please, really, take her. de dum tishhhh" Message-ID: <01BEADD4.314C2B60.p.cullen@music-control.com> a funny thing happened to me on my way home from work yesterday. i was sitting on the bus ( because i have a leather jacket instead of a car, remember) listening to the radio on my walkman. i was switching around stations desperately trying to avoid shitney spears when i caught this little snippet of an announcement: "the rathfarnham* TOASTMASTERS (!) society are meeting tonight in...." (* rathfarnham is an area in dublin, fact fans) WHAT in the name of sweet GOD is a TOASTMASTER???? having subscribed to the plain old "toast" mailing list for quite some time now, does this mean that there is a hierarchy of toast-lovers out there that i wasn't told about?! i would be deeply hurt to think so as i have been complimented on my toast making skills on more than one occasion, let me tell you. all that aside, its probably something to do with chess. it usually is. till next time, paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Thu Jun 3 16:03:10 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:03:10 +0200 Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place Message-ID: <01beadd2$32f35da0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> I quite like "White Rabbit" by Jefferson Airplane, especially that bit in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" where Johnny Depp wants the other bloke to throw the tape recorder in the bath with him when it gets to the good bit, so that he can die on an incredible high. If my memory serves me well, there was also a Belgian New Beat song that was great and fantastic, called "White Rabbit", by a group called White Rabbit. How I yearn for the halcyon days of Belgian New Beat. The other day there was a half hour radio programme of the Pet Shop Boys playing their favourite records, fantastic early eighties dance music, such as "A E I O U" by Freeze (or Freeez or some funny spelling), which they introduced as "one of the first records to contain a solo made up of samples of various letters" and it was true, there's a great letters solo in it. Check it out. There were also great records from Grandmaster Flash and some others who I've forgotten. But it was good. Next week they're going to be playing their favourite sad songs, so expect some Dusty Springfield. It's on the BBC World Service, so even people in Thailand can listen to it. There was some cobblers on NME.com about the Bowlie concert on the radio, July 5th, I think. The information was credited to shadowy "insiders", so it's probably a pack of lies. There was also a review of a live album by Joy Division, recorded in PRESTON, which means that for as long as there are human beings, Preston will have a secure place in the pantheon of rock...erm...places. People from Preston will be able to say "I'm from Preston" and their interlocutors will fall over in wonder. Speaking of wonder, look at this description of Jimi Hendrix's "Midnight": "Globs of molten steel belch heavy industrial vibrato in this original GuiTarzan metal instrumental...at the crack of "Midnight" the past is eclipsed. A new sun rises and casts the first ray." Beat that, Toilet Boys! Like most people on this list, I read books that make me look clever. Unlike most people on this list, I only mention them when they contain secret references to Stuart Murdoch. From "Collected Fictions" by Jorge Luis Borges: Instead of seven thousand thirteen (7013), he would say, for instance, "Maximo Pérez"; instead of seven thousand fourteen (7014), "the railroad"; other numbers were "Luis Melián Lafinur," "Olimar," "Sulfur," "clubs," "the whale," "gas," "a stewpot," "Napoleon," "Agustín de Vedia." Instead of five hundred (500), he said "nine." There, I hope you dug that groovy extract. Be warned, that is only the tip of a truly freaky iceberg. I've just been listening to Chris Leonard's "The Fruits of the Forest". I'm very impressed by Mr Chris's manly voice. I expected him to squeal like a stuck pig. Thank you, Chris. I wish you every success. Do I detect a slight Incredible String Band influence? Rock on, Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From agb31 at xxx.uk Thu Jun 3 16:39:38 1999 From: agb31 at xxx.uk (Andy Buckley) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 16:39:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: All Tomorrow's Parties Tickets? Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990603163938.006d2380@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk> Does anyone know where to buy the ATP (Bowlie II) tickets online/phone in? NME.com still says that they'll let us know how to buy tickets when it's announced... Andy Andy Buckley agb31 at cam.ac.uk http://i.am/andy_b +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bfundak at xxx.edu Thu Jun 3 16:44:39 1999 From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:44:39 -0400 Subject: Sinister: The Frat, Down by Law, Impatience In-Reply-To: <199906031252.GAA18399@turtle.esosoft.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990603114439.0091bba0@popb.bgsu.edu> Well here I am posting again (this has become habit forming). I want to talk about a few things, but I'll start with Nick's inquiries about the frat. >Did anyone else see that documentary about the University of Iowa's 'Greek >system' of sonority and fraternity houses. It was quite the weirdest thing I >have ever seen. Apparently a fifth of all new students arrive a week early to >go through a sick selection procedure ('Rush') for all these 'secret' single-sex >societies with names like 'Alpha Kai Kai' and 'Gamma Beta Sigma'. If they get >in the girls get to be all prissy and live without alcohol and the boys get to >boast about collecting more sonority girls' knickers than those pussies over at >Beta Pi Eater. And they have to pay up to $11000 over their time at university >for the privilege. > >I never really understood what frat-boys were before. But yeah, if anything the >girls were sicker. They all sang songs like 'We are Alpha Kai Kai and we are >great / Always Alpha Kai Kai / I love Alpha Kai Kai' whilst touching each >others pointed fingers and banning fruit in drinks. But the REALLY scary part >was that 80% of all major CEOs and most of the military and all but two US >presidents have participated in this 'character-building' tomfoolery. It's >like SoS - but *WORSE*. Would any US listee like to admit to being part of it >and explain why this is complete mispresentation? I can't claim to have ever being part of a frat, but for someone who hates it as much as I do, I had to live the worst of the frat world, when I was unceremoniously placed with a frat boy as a roommate my freshman year. ( i was supposed to live with a guy who ended up not coming to school because he was dealing with issues of his sexuality.) He was a horrible human being--twisted and wrong, fat, smelly misanthrope who thought he was clever and cool because he was in the goddamned frat. Before he met me, he offered that i should join his frat over the phone. then he met met me and figured he didn't want a "faggot like me in his frat." I was constantly berated by his "brothers." His homophobic tendencies caused him to question all of my friends sexualities. He was a filthy individual, leaving food lay around for weeks at a time. Just thinking about it infuriates me. But I think it is obvious that the frat feeds into capitalist views of society. Everybody conforms into one big unit with a certain ideological doctrine and thus they have no use for those who go against the status quo of the frat. Because I saw no sense in the frat I was labelled in an attempt to discredit me. Too bad I lived in the honors dorm, and I tended to have more allies than enemies. Anyway, on to happier things. Thanks to everyone who recommended Jim Jarmusch's Down by Law. Excellent film. i especially loved Tom Waits in the film. Anyone had the pleasure of hearing his new album yet? And one last word, on impatience. Does anyone have any helpful hints? I am by nature an impatient person and the waiting game I am going to have to play with liz will probably make this summer difficult for me. So far I have been deflecting my impatience with mass quantities of beer, but I know that this is a band-aid measure and won't stop the problem. I have to be patient though, because my impatience will kill my chance before I even started. So if anyone has a suggestion, please let me know. Brandt "VIRGO AND CANCER: Virgo provides the emotional security that Cancer needs and the little attentions that provide affection. Cancer's dependence finds its perfect answer in Virgo's needs to be protective. cancer's imagination is stimulating to Virgo, and Cancer's anxiety to please deepens Virgo's affections.Both will come out of their shell and begin to enjoy life." --Sexual Astrology (1976) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From agb31 at xxx.uk Thu Jun 3 17:22:10 1999 From: agb31 at xxx.uk (Andy Buckley) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 17:22:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Winter Wooskie lyrics In-Reply-To: <80256785.00461184.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990603172210.006fc2e0@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk> >Did anyone else see that documentary about the University of Iowa's 'Greek >system' of sonority and fraternity houses. It was quite the weirdest thing I >have ever seen. Apparently a fifth of all new students arrive a week early to >go through a sick selection procedure ('Rush') for all these 'secret' single-sex >societies with names like 'Alpha Kai Kai' and 'Gamma Beta Sigma'. If they get >in the girls get to be all prissy and live without alcohol and the boys get to >boast about collecting more sonority girls' knickers than those pussies over at >Beta Pi Eater. And they have to pay up to $11000 over their time at university >for the privilege. I didn't see the documentary due to financially imposed lack of TV but that sounds exactly like what my friends described it as (in the bar where I was pissing away the cash that I could buy a TV with). Our conclusion was that frats are probably so prominent in the US political and industry system since they involve living with and getting along with people who you can't possibly like for years on end. I'd say there's something in that... >From what I've seen, there's a similar system in most western countries: principal in my mind is the public-schools-originated "old boys' network" in Britain. I'm at uni in Cambridge and there's still societies there that are definitely remnants of the class divide in that respect: the Union Society and Pitt Society are the main ones. Still, I suppose that if you're going to get that sort of thing hanging on anywhere then Oxbridge is exactly the place it's going to happen... even if 95% of the university think that the 'prestigious' old boys' societies are full of arrogant, spoon-fed tossers. Anyway, if I had an extra 10 grand to get through at university then I'd find much better things to spend it on than living with a bunch of lard-arsed homophobes. A copy of Tigermilk would be the first addition to my soon-to-be-rapidly-growing record collection, for instance... Andy Andy Andy Buckley agb31 at cam.ac.uk http://i.am/andy_b +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Thu Jun 3 17:34:03 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:34:03 -0700 Subject: Sinister: NO B&S, Just Alot of BS....... Message-ID: <000601beadde$e41cf300$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> I just had to post this morning! In my unbelievable homesickness for Glasgow I dragged myself to the Robbie Williams concert - if you question this then you should really ask yourself why I pay $30 a month for digital cable just so I can watch BBC America. Mostly old shows of Saunders & French, Jools Holland and This Life. BUT - the highlight of tellivision viewing - THE CLAMPERS!!!! Is now on BBC America! :) Anyways.... So I went to the show with my sister-in-law to be, put on an accent good enough to fool two Weegie bastards that were on his crew! :) I wore my Belle and Sebastian bus T-shirt and danced the night away. It was hilarious. By far one of the most entertaining gigs I have seen I years. The whole night he made jokes about him being a 'cock' and stuff. He was very up himself, but he pulled it off in a way that everyone thought he was hilarious. The oddest thing was that he was playing this TOTAL DIVE in Seattle - just a dump. If there was 1000 people there I would be stunned. Okay, so that might not seem earth shattering for any of you, but I found it most hilarious..... perhaps it was the irony of my bus t-shirt and the comments it got about the Brits and stuff..... Hope you're all well. As for bum activities, I'll thank you lovelies to keep your noses out of mine.... :) Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From peter.ramsdale at xxx.com Thu Jun 3 16:01:20 1999 From: peter.ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 16:01:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: "take my wife, no please, really, take her. de dum tishhhh" References: <01BEADD4.314C2B60.p.cullen@music-control.com> Message-ID: <375698C0.7B8F4342@wdr.com> Paula - (Pete puts his Jon Snow/Phillipa Forrester head on......) I think you will find ;-) that the Toastmaster (TM) is one of those Morphy-Richards Cool-wall jobbies that has eight different heat settings, seven of which cremate your bread. The aforementioned Toastmaster (TM) society is a conglomerate of Toastmaster (TM) owners, who regularly meet up down the Dublin Castle to fling around with gay abandon stories of marmalade mornings, apricot afternoons, elderberry evenings, and most of all, cremated bread. Why is it that so many settings on your average toaster cause spontaneous combustion of it's contents? And, dear Points of View, why, oh why oh why, is there a setting marked 'F'?? Does this actually stand for F**king burnt?? The nearest I've come to any sensible answer is Frozen bread, which doesn't work anyway, cause I've tried it. So there. Anyway. All tomorrows parties. After having missed Bowlie (penniless, dearies - buying a house) I have GOT to get myself to its successor. Ok, ok, so the puritans amongst you may say that it's not going to be the same without our beloved B&S, which is probably true, but (IMHO) there are so many class acts in the line-up that they may well make up for it. For example, if anyone has got to this point in their life without seeing the divine miss Laetitia Sadier (Mrs Gane??) and her entourage (Stereolab) I would heartily recommend that this be rectified at once. How can anyone not like a band that called one of the songs on their very first albums "You Little Shits"?? Top skills. If I've put anyone off going by my predicted presence there, I can only apologise. I promise I'll try and keep myself to myself. Well, that's it for now. I shall go back to lurking. To be quite frank, it's what I'm best at. Oh, and before I go - Chris (the one who asked for ideas on how to be less shy around girls) - that writing to them thing that I mailed you about doesn't bloody work. I did that, and although it means that she does finally know I'm alive, she just wants to be friends. Buggrit. lol p xx. -- ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ Life is full of regrets, and I've had a few, as Frank Sinatra once sang, before hiccuping loudly and falling over sideways. Pete Ramsdale - peter.ramsdale at wdr.com Phone: 0171 568 3836 ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Thu Jun 3 18:03:10 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E Hamilton) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:03:10 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Ma Ma Ma Ma Ma Ma, she's a lady Message-ID: <003101beade2$f89ff800$e31574cc@woody> Greetings and salutations. Well lets get right down to busy ness. Nick wrote, rather rightly: "Would any US listee like to admit to being part of it and explain why this is complete mispresentation?" "It" being the rebellious, pile of shite known as the Greek Community on most US campuses. My campus is indeed very much greek oriented, but I am an Independent for many personal, sociological, and hygenic-related reasons. We are referred to as GDIs (that'd be taking the lord's name in vain and then inserting the term independents immediately following said scorn). Of course, we refer to ourselves as GDIs. I guess it's all in fun. I had a good friend who rushed (yes this is a valid term) and she has never been the same after pledging (that's when a person says 'yes, i've checked out this great little community during rush and now i'm asking you to let me in') and receiving a bid (when those same people say, 'yes!' we like you and wish to make your life a bit worse than it was before). The Greek world (excluding the actual country over there somewhere, which I've heard, during non-war years, is quite lovely) is big on uniformity, something I've never much enjoyed. For those of you who have heard the nastiest, slutty, incorrigible stereotypes associated with fraternities and sororities, well chances are they're all true. Most of the disgusting and embarassing initiation stories are probably true as well. And everything involving domesticated farm animals is completely true. Though they're never really domesticated. A small discrepancy, I suppose. Apologies to everyone for the rant, a drink, a drink, a toast to all who have kept on reading. Paula booze girl asked so sweetly: "WHAT in the name of sweet GOD is a TOASTMASTER????" I believe Pete gave a smartass remark, so I was beat to that specific punch. So I'll be reasonable and tell you that the toastmasters are a group of speakers. It's a nationwide organization helping people to speak publicly, that being the greatest fear among people in the world. It sounds odd, but a Toastmaster general (yes there is such a thing) visited our school one day in search of people wishing to join. I think his speech pulled me in, until i realized what he did all the time and was probably pretty good at selling me overaged cheese. The fact that death as a public fear ranks *behind* public speaking was best put into words by sir Jerry Seinfeld: "So judging from this survey, at a funeral, most people would rather be laying in the casket than giving the eulogy?" Touche. I have no accent thingee for my Touche. Maybe the next time I'll just write Touchay. LesleyJo makes me laugh, a spot once held by Gen Wesley. Where, oh where have you gone? I wouldn't be surprised if my voice just echoed. An apology--I am going to make it a point not to dump my problems on this list anymore. It may up the sap content on this list to the point where it could be made into a motivational Robin Williams saint picture, whereas the part of Honey would be played by the sentimental funnyman. So here it is--I'm officially starting the motions of Sinister: The Movie. With Robert De Niro playing the rebellious Seb. Posh. I just got a Manic Street Preachers album. It's called "lots of gibberish about truths and yours and mine". Whatever. I like it much, but they sound like Journey. I don't like Journey, but I like the Manics pretty well. I also got Elliott Smith's new one, and I can say that love is instantaneous. Perhaps I'll never leave the house again........................................................ tootaloom blake -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "Fuck!" - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bad_sneakers at xxx.com Thu Jun 3 19:05:53 1999 From: bad_sneakers at xxx.com (Robyn Davidson) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: gold jewelry wearing harpies... Message-ID: <19990603180553.11075.rocketmail@web130.yahoomail.com> Howdy > the girls get to be all prissy and live without >alcohol Really? We don't have as large a greek system (I guess) as some other colleges, but the sorority girls here drink like fish. At least that's what I've seen at frat parties. This is my friends perception of them so I'm not taking any responsibilities: there are the thin pretty ones that drink some but smoke and giggle lots, then you have the fat ones that drink like hell. I take offense at the fat girl thing though, even if it's true. >They all sang songs like 'We are Alpha Kai Kai and >we are >great / Always Alpha Kai Kai / I love Alpha Kai Kai' yeah yeah yeah And they all wear shirts with their greek letters stitched in plaid on them and carry big canvas bags with the same thing. >Would any US listee like to admit to being >part of it I'd join a sorority but I don't own any tank tops or clogs, and that spray on tanning spray just doesn't look right on pale skin. Plus I never heard of a physics major in a social type fraternity anyway. I've just realized something, I'm a generally mellow not in a hurry type person, and I'm now a waitress. For gods sake. Apparently I'm also dim-witted as one night I was filling these cups full of cocktail sauce and this guy came up and asked me if it was hot. I looked down at the canister sitting in a tub of ice (!) and said "uh..no it's cold". Painfully obvious to everyone but myself he meant spicy hot. I don't see why the bastard couldn't just say spicy instead of making me feel like a chimp. Well it's time to try and sew my hairnet back together. See y'all on the flip side. Robyn _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Thu Jun 3 19:19:12 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:19:12 EDT Subject: Sinister: (no subject) Message-ID: >When I was 18 I swore that if I had not written the greatest Norwegian novel ever by >the age of 25, I should kill myself in shame. (And writing the greatest Norwegian >novel ever really wouldn't be that difficult.) I'm happy to read I'm not the only one with inflated literary aspirations. When I was 17 I published a story and later got a sort of fan mail regarding it. Apparently a boy showed it to his best girl friend and they hopped in bed together for the first and only time in their five year friendship. I figured turning people on with words is a pretty powerful thing, and writing the great American novel really would be difficult. >But the REALLY scary part was that 80% of all major CEOs and most of the >military and all but two US presidents have participated in this 'character-building' >tomfoolery. It's like SoS - but *WORSE*. Would any US listee like to admit to >being part of it and explain why this is complete mispresentation? Some of us join sororities and some of us become scenesters...my little sister just joined a sorority at Syracuse. They bill themselves as a community service groups but really exist to perform wierd rituals and give favors to the brethren (hmm...the KKK and Masons fit that description too). My sister isn't the type to do anything creative or join a real club, so this is her way of making friends at a big scary school. Love Court +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Thu Jun 3 21:06:45 1999 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:06:45 -0400 Subject: Sinister: i'm going out tonight Message-ID: <034f01beadfc$d05137a0$b01e05d1@oemcomputer> and i'm wearing sassy clothes. any sinisterines at the sleater-kinney/versus show (yes teri, that means you and emily too) say hello. whoever asked about the lilys: they've gone through a few different phases, seem to have started out as a quite good my bloody valentine-esque band, then were garage rock and now have a bit of a retro thing happening, retro as in sloan. i've got a limited edition vinyl copy of ...oh dear, i can't recall the name right now but it's white with silkscreened butterflies on the front cover and came with a beautiful poster. but anyways, that's good. marie elia asked: > why is no one excited about tortoise at bowlie 2? granted, i can't >imagine what they'd be like live, but i thought the same about >stereolab... i've never had the good fortune of seeing stereolab live, but i have seen tortoise and believe me, it's totally incredible. on their last tour, they all came out wearing identical white mechanic-sort-of outfits, and the effect was especially spacey once they started in on their xylophone-y things (what one is the xylophone? the wooden one? or is that a glockenspiel?). but the highlight, perhaps one of the best moments of my life, was when dan bitney undid the entire front of his outfit and exposed himself to the whole toronto crowd. that alone was worth the price of admission. why can't someone arrange a bowlie when us school types aren't in school? rah-rah sarah wrote: >What we need to save our souls is a sussed sexy and tough girl band. ahem, i'm going to volunteer myself for either flute playing, guitar strumming, or simply high leg kicks. because every girl band must have those. and i'm nominating christa chaffinch as well, because she also has that st etienne shirt with the sylvie eyes and we all know how coordination is important in a band. who knows if she can play anything, but if she can't we can always use someone to take their top off. or i could do that, whatever. isn't that what this 'girl power' business is all about? about fraternities: i've got a friend whose boyfriend was kicked out of his frat because they were at a frat party, his ex-girlfriend got really drunk (just like everyone else, really) and took his clothes off and tried to have sex with him while he was passed out, and my friend walked in and say what was happening and totally freaked out, dragged this girl outside and beat the shit out of her. the reason the frat guys threw the boy out? because he shouldn't have let his girlfriend see what was going on. what a bunch of pricks. i just thought a toastmaster was the name on my toaster oven. can you imagine the coolness a toastmaster membership would bring to your life? i must see if there's a canadian chapter. kisskiss, jessicaxo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ian.Halliday at xxx.NZ Thu Jun 3 21:25:55 1999 From: Ian.Halliday at xxx.NZ (Halliday, Ian) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:25:55 +1200 Subject: Sinister: Toastmasters Message-ID: May I take this opportunity to point out to Blake and anybody else who is still listening that Toastmasters is not just a national organisation, but an international one, with the highest number of members per head of population in New Zealand. As there are Toastmaster clubs in most parts of the world, it is not surprising that we're called "Toastmasters International". The website is at http://www.toastmasters.org . Members give speeches to practice their speaking skills, so there is no reason why a member should not talk about B&S or why it's so hard to get hold of a copy of Tigermilk, or what Honey is really like. If you want more about Toastmasters or about Honey, mail me privately. Or if you're in Wellington. Regards, Ian Ian W Halliday, CTM (E2 Area Governor 1999-2000, District 72) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tjl at xxx.uk Thu Jun 3 21:21:42 1999 From: tjl at xxx.uk (Tim) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:21:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: wow References: <199906022322.AAA13897@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <004501beadfe$fedf5460$070ae392@tjl> Wow. I have one of them voice type things on the list now. I am soooooo excited. Well, I have to post something now that I can surely?!?!!? I'm probably not quite twee enough for this list though. I mean, I don't even own one of them leather type jacket things........! I remember reading something about books and that. My personal choice would be anything by Mark Timlin, but then I have a passion for sex, violence and drugs..... Yawn. I am tired already. Comes of doing too much revision, or the lack of. Just why have I spent the last 2 years of my life doing alevels? Is it to go on a 3 year piss up? Belle and Sebastien comment. Oh dear, bit stuck on that one. Well, to be truthful I've only been listening to them for perhaps 5 months or so, and until recently only had the last two albums. Can't say that they're my favourite band either, but they're fucking good. Almost as good as Teenage Fanclub. Woooooohooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! Someone was talking about children's tv programmes. Can't beat Jamie and the Magic Torch I say, apart from with a large stick. But on the subject of older tv programmes, what about classics like Airwolf, The A Team, Knightrider, The Avengers, The Persuaders, The Saint, The Man From Uncle and and AND......Randall and Hopkirk Deceased??!??? Ok, I'll stop now!! dooby dooby Tim +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kschaffe at xxx.Edu Thu Jun 3 23:09:05 1999 From: kschaffe at xxx.Edu (Schaffenberger, Kristen ) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:09:05 -0500 Subject: Sinister: i'm going out tonight Message-ID: <97C6BB73EB6DD211B2F400A0C9EA0432013341B9@TUCC15.TUCC.Trinity.Edu> -----Original Message----- marie elia asked: > why is no one excited about tortoise at bowlie 2? granted, i can't >imagine what they'd be like live, but i thought the same about >stereolab... I saw Tortoise at a somewhat open-air type place (re: it was inside, with trees growing up through what I remember to be a dirt floor and poking through big gapes in the sort of flimsy ceiling, their leaves catching the glow of city lights like so many stars); it was one of the nicest shows I've been to. Stereolab never fails to disappoint live either. I think it has to do with the fact that Laeticia and Mary can actually sing without funneling their voices through-- ?? whatever it is that people funnel their voices through to make themselves sound like Lush^1 or My Bloody Valentine. This makes all the difference in the world w/r/t live performances, I think. 2 cents from Kristen ^1 A funny story about Lush for anyone who's interested: a few years ago (you know, when shoegazing ruled the scene), two of my friends had monstrous crushes on Mickey and Emma, the girls from the band. They had the (mis)fortune of meeting the two after the show. One of said friends said something like, "I think you're beautiful" to one of the Lush girls (I can't remember which one). The girls started to laugh and blush. However, the horror of the story is that, without their voice thingies that made them sound all breathy and soft, they both had incredibly deep, scratchy, masculine voices and Beavis and Butthead-esque laughs. Totally incongruous with their pretty, pretty music and countenances. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From treblekicker at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 02:02:08 1999 From: treblekicker at xxx.com (Spiral Stairs) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:02:08 -0400 Subject: Sinister: futurism vs passeism Message-ID: <004301beae25$e0cb5ec0$90be7018@etob1.on.wave.home.com> toronto sinister type people: reading eye today, i saw that looper is coming july 17th if memory serves... just a line to let you know... i sooooooooo wanted to go to sleater-kinney tonight, but no-one else did. yea, don't all cry at once >:] well i may still go; hopefully they have tix at the door, and there's one last person to call... suspense! peace/john +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From komis at xxx.edu Fri Jun 4 07:22:05 1999 From: komis at xxx.edu (Dmitry Komis) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 01:22:05 -0500 Subject: Sinister: dont want acceptance, dont want tradition In-Reply-To: <80256785.00461184.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990604012205.007ad100@students.uiuc.edu> At 01:45 PM 6/3/99 +0100, you wrote: >Would any US listee like to admit to being part of it and explain why this is complete mispresentation? sadly, your interpretation was right on. well, i would surely never take part in a frat, but being a student in the school with the largest greek system in teh world (UIUC), its impossible not to run into them and their: khaki shorts, sweaters, Tommy and abercrombie and fitch clothes, baseball hats, matchbox 20/offspring tshirts, and who could forget the homophobic/dumb jock attitudes. all stereotypes, yes, but all true. as a matter of fact, my roomate of this past year decided to "rush" second semester. he told me it was the best thing that ever happened to him. he told me that he finally felt "accepted" by a group. of course, this was after he paid for his so-called friends. yes kids, you heard right, paid. you have to pay a fee to join this gloriously WASPy group and it is after you pay that you get your "friends". they are called your 'brothers for life', they sing songs about each other and partake in confidential ceremonies. they have to memorize information about each other in order to "pass the test". and then if you are truly dedicated and want to become a member and not just a second-class "pledge", well then you will have to go thru many hours of paddling and other humiliating tests. this is a period called "hazing". this is when the "real brothers" make you do stuff that you wouldn't normally want to do. like getting blindfolded and tied up and thrown into a car trunk while your "brothers" drive around campus with you in the trunk. hazing is supposedly outlawed in my school, but it still goes on. my roomate said he didn't have to go thru it, but he knew other members that did. overall, it is a repulsive patriarchial institution. something that most american families take pride in, because the men in a family are supposed to all join the same frat, which somehow is supposed to show that they are "real men". i was once invited to a frat party by my roomate and i went, being naive and welcoming any new social adventures. i thought id stay for the free alcohol, and maybe id convert some of the boys in the frat, but then the dj kept playing "barbie girl" and the rest of the night was filled with backstreet boys and other horrifying top40 songs. later in the evening i was introduced to all the "brothers" by my roomate and he said they really liked me and wanted me to join too. i took this as one of the worst insults of my life and left. dmitry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.EDU Fri Jun 4 08:42:03 1999 From: ynoh at xxx.EDU (Youn Jong Noh) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 00:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: white horses In-Reply-To: <80256785.00461184.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Message-ID: Is Mr. Dastoor of the Guardian wishing a sorry end to his fellow journalists, fanzine & e-zine editors here? > need to improve their attitude. I think they should start boasting > about how they are the best band in the world ever and swear more. > Shunning journalists is good, but perhaps fighting them would be even > better. I distinctly recall having read in one of the delightful import magazines that grace the shelves of every Barnes & Noble, Borders, etc. and bring us in THE musical wasteland - home of matchbox 20, offspring, etc. - closer in spirit to the mecca of P!O!P! music that is the UK - Select I think it was - that Stuart had ambitions of becoming a boxer. He is also the inspiration of the fine phrase "arms of sex" for whoever asked (coined by Lesley J Miller?). So I can only conclude there's something fishy about all this ... as if it weren't enough that all his rivals for the scoop were getting papercuts from putting their zines together by hand, plus all the toxic fumes and sprays from toner cartridges, plus all the odd excuses that had to be invented for unwanted lipstick on one's collar ... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ASpawnyGit at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 08:43:41 1999 From: ASpawnyGit at xxx.com (ASpawnyGit at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 03:43:41 EDT Subject: Sinister: Re: something or or other.. Message-ID: <411281d9.2488ddad@aol.com> > What we need to save our souls is a sussed sexy and tough girl band. > Hmmm...... > Sarah In that case try Nashville Pussy. They might just be your messiah for they could kick my arse in a heartbeat...and have me begging for more. On another Note, I saw the original Black Sabbath lineup. It was hilarious actually. Ozzy introduced the members as "Geezer Bloodclot" on guitar and "Heartattack Charlie" on bass. The old coot did leap frogs the whole set. Unfortunately I had to sit through the 12 hours of painful death-metal that is also called Ozzfest. I did get to see Slayer though, it was quite a novelty..4 guys with long hair and wearing spandex, playing so fast their hands looked like propellors. It was quite an experience...and my ears still hurt, but that's what you get for listening to the devil through large amplifiers while sitting 10 rows from the stage. A small footnote, while sitting amongst many demonoid looking people I spotted, and struck up a conversation with, a fellow wearing a Low T-shirt. It was like being in some remote third world country and seeing someone that actually speaks English. On the subject of the All tomorrow's Parties show, I looked on Ticketweb and they had priced the tickets at 420.00 Is that for real???? I don't see why they would lie but..that's a large bit of cash! Brad (Spawny Git) "Sorry if I'm useless" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 10:06:17 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 02:06:17 PDT Subject: Sinister: irony is the best policy while ironing Message-ID: <19990604090617.51062.qmail@hotmail.com> Well, nothing important to say (as always), but I just HAD to copy& paste this from the NME singles section: >The Wiseguys Ooh La La (Wall Of Sound) Two words for you: Budweiser advert. This is the hyperactive big-beat cheese explosion which soundtracks those beer-drinking frogs and their crocodile mate and, yes indeed, it is pure genius. Imagine Supergrass without their brooding intellectual depths, or Fatboy Slim without his thought-provoking philosophical lyrics. Put simply: if you don't like this, you don't like pop music. In which case, get thee to a nunnery with all the other Belle & Sebastian fans.> Jesus, you shouldve heard me laughing when I read this. That's it. Hey, I got some B&S into this one!! First time for everything. @--->--- Jake le petit. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amandatate at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 10:16:19 1999 From: amandatate at xxx.com (Amanda Tate) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 02:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Winter Wooskie lyrics Message-ID: <19990604091619.2318.rocketmail@web708.mail.yahoo.com> --- Nick.Dastoor at guardian.co.uk wrote: > But the REALLY scary part > was that 80% of all major CEOs and most of the > military and all but two US > presidents have participated in this > 'character-building' tomfoolery. It's > like SoS - but *WORSE*. Would any US listee like to > admit to being part of it > and explain why this is complete mispresentation? Hmmm. I've had a voice for awhile but this is its virgin voyage. As I'm no pop guru, I've just been listening to all of Sinister's witty banter, etc. Until now! So... Hi. I'm Amanda. I love Belle and Sebastian. And... I'm...in a sorority! Do you hate me? Do you think I'm an elistist pig? Are you wondering how many pairs of khakis I own? (for the record, 1) It's a very bland argument, but the Greek system is made up of hundreds of national sororities and fraternities, which have hundreds of chapters, on hundreds of campuses, including a gazillion members. I've met loads of Greek dickheads. There are plenty of people who like to hide behind their letters, thinking that they're endowed with superhuman powers just because other people know they have friends. Of course...and I'd be a fool not to admit it. But we don't pay to have these friends. These are social organizations. We pay to buy coloring books for children's hospitals, but also to throw parties (ie buy lots of booze). Where lots of people drink too much, play bad music, etc. But that happens sometimes. And it depends on the sorority/fraternity. I do love my sorority. I've met hundreds of amazing people and have made lifelong friends. Then again, I've met hundreds of sucks and made lifelong enemies! It just depends who are you and what you seek. I've been living in Geneva for the past year so I have been out of the loop for awhile. But I'm coming back to the States in July so I hope to see some of you D.C. sinisterites around! Bisous, Amanda _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fdenn at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 11:09:05 1999 From: fdenn at xxx.com (Fergal Denn) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 03:09:05 PDT Subject: Sinister: the greeks are coming Message-ID: <19990604100906.2657.qmail@hotmail.com> Nick wrote: >Did anyone else see that documentary about the University of Iowa's 'Greek >system' of sonority and fraternity houses. It was quite the weirdest thing >I >have ever seen. yep I saw that documentary too, and yep it was scary. The idea that this set of strange individuals are due to be the future �leaders� of the most powerful country in the world is a tad worrisome. Having said that, I was also struck by how vastly different the world of the girls in the sorority was from the guys� world in the frats. Yes, I realise that boys and girls are fundamentally different but these people were like different species. Is this the status quo of an unchecked single sex environment? Perhaps the insular societal microcosms of the greek system represent what a single sex world would be like? If so, in a world populated by just girls everybody would be well dressed, conformist, prissy, teetotal, walk around with their hands behind their back and sing pseudo religious songs. The alternative being a boy world where guys spend their time getting boozed up, talking like morons and in the absence of some puss to pull I suppose they'd pull each other......... Both worlds have there attractions but on balance I think I�d rather hang out with the stepford wives in girl world....any thoughts? Fergal ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 11:34:42 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:34:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: dont want acceptance, dont want tradition Message-ID: dmitry told us about the american dream: > system in teh world (UIUC), its impossible not to run into them and their: > khaki shorts, sweaters, Tommy and abercrombie and fitch clothes, baseball > hats, matchbox 20/offspring tshirts, and who could forget the > homophobic/dumb jock attitudes. all stereotypes, yes, but all true. I have a feeling, had I had to have grown up in a "typical" american high school, I would have surely committed suicide. Mind you, can too many eighties teen films blur your vision? (as a brit, i mean). I've though about this quite a bit, and I think overall, there is no geek/cool people divide in schools. It's a myth exaggerated by films and books, and indeed Pulp songs. It's a romantic notion which I would have taken pleasure in indulging in given cause, but even if I never used to have any friends in the first year, it wasn't cool people that slinked up to me and took the piss, it was just nasty nerds, who took pleasure in making other people feel like they had. There are just seperate little communities (the obligitary 'in' crowd) and people who get picked on because they are slightly different to everyone else. But In America, there are more nightmares to go through though, like the Prom, and sports events which are built up bigger than they would ever be over here. And more of a feeling of 'school spirit', which is bound to leave people feeling alienated if they weren't a bouncy cheerleader type or a grunting jock type. Do these people only exist in frats? You'll have to forgive me for being blinkered, the only view I have of american school life is Saved By the Bell. (but i do know all the words to the theme tune). Pretty in Pink....Pretty in Pink.... Love Erica x P.s I'm trying to compile a list of songs with the word 'Pink' in the title. So far I only have the new offering by aerosmith (haw haw) and the psycadelic furs. so mail me privately. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Fri Jun 4 13:20:08 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 13:20:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: dont want acceptance, dont want tradition References: Message-ID: <3757C478.F1CDAE31@student.paisley.ac.uk> Hello again Erica "Graham" MacArthur wrote: > I've though > about this quite a bit, and I think overall, there is no geek/cool people > divide in schools. It's a myth exaggerated by films and books, and indeed > Pulp songs. It's a romantic notion which I would have taken pleasure in > indulging in given cause, but even if I never used to have any friends in > the first year, it wasn't cool people that slinked up to me and took the > piss, it was just nasty nerds, who took pleasure in making other people > feel like they had. There are just seperate little communities (the > obligitary 'in' crowd) and people who get picked on because they are > slightly different to everyone else. I don't know how many of you were ever bullied at school for being different, but let me tell you from someone who lives with the consequences every day, that being in the separate little community that gets picked on for being different, it certainly FEELS like there is a big divide. Maybe it's not as evident in your school, or these days in general but ten years ago when I was in school, there was a bloody HUGE gap and I was way on the wrong side of it. This certainly isn't a "romantic notion" I cooked up to find deeper meaning in Stuart's or Jarvis' lyrics. I would do anything to go back and have it all different, but I can't and I find it more than a little disturbing when people say that they would love to indulge the romantic notion of the geek/cool divide, like being a victim of childhood bullying is something to aspire to. I had my life turned upside down by the "cool kids" at school, and the teachers too, come to think of it, for being too smart (hey, I'm a real-life Lord Anthony) and for being ugly and fat and wearing glasses and not having the right clothes and everything else. Some people may see that as just part of growing up, but as someone who has become incapable of trusting people, accepting compliments and seeing myself as anything other than a lesser person than those around me, then I hardly think it's a romantic notion, it hasn't even led me to great heights of creativity so others can gain from what I went through, it just left me a bit of a mess and there's no fucking romance in that :) Believe it or not, I don't like talking about this. It hurts very much, but I just wanted to show that for some people there *is* a divide and it has an effect which lasts way past the last day at school. It may not be geek/cool, as Erica said, I got it from cool kids and less cool kids, but every single one of them made me feel like I didn't matter, and it's not the greatest feeling to start your adult life with, let me tell you. And I'd much rather have been in an American teen movie any day, where all the misfits looked like Molly Ringwald and always got the boy in the end. > And more of a feeling of 'school spirit', which is bound to > leave people feeling alienated if they weren't a bouncy cheerleader type or > a grunting jock type. Do these people only exist in frats? You'll have to > forgive me for being blinkered, the only view I have of american school > life is Saved By the Bell. (but i do know all the words to the theme tune). No, they exist in British boarding schools too. My parents idea to stop me getting bullied was to send me off to a "better" school, and if you want school spirit, grunting jocks and bouncy cheerleaders, only worse because they have money to flaunt in the face of the working class scholarship kid, then I highly recommend seven years at one of these fine institutions. There were decent people, as there are anywhere, but it wasn't really the answer for me, shall we say? American teen TV shows and films have a lot to answer for though, as everyone is ridiculously cheery and happy and even the geeks get it all OK in the end (see Joey and Pacey in Dawson's Creek, Molly Ringwald in Pretty in Pink, Emilio Estevez in St Elmo's Fire, for example). In fact Jen in Dawson's Creek is the only person I can think of in an American teen show who doesn't get ever get things going her way and isn't happy within herself. And that's a pretty poor average. On a completely separate and rather cheerier note, is anyone going to All Tomorrow's Parties and willing to put me up/put up with me? The rumours of Lawrence Felt plus the confirmed existence of Stereolab, Tindersticks, Yo La Tengo, Scott 4 and Gorkys (and others) are rather tempting. Anyone wanting to adopt me for the weekend (I'm actually quite cheery when pissed, which if last Bowlie was anything to go by, will be all the time, and don't wallow in self-pity, despite evidence to the contrary above) please let me know. Ideally someone with a credit card who can wait a couple of weeks till I get paid before expecting a cheque off me, though parents may be willing to lend me cash before that if necessary. I can once again offer lots of vodka (if the nice man at National Express doesn't shatter it over the bus station again), a selection of nice compilation tapes and culinary skills of sorts. And top cheerleading skills should anyone feel like blagging their way into the football again... Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Fri Jun 4 14:10:18 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (katrina house) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:10:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: jeepster news - b&s related 04/09 Message-ID: <3757D03A.FF254627@jeepster.co.uk> hi all, well, as I mentioned a week ago, 'Alternative Nation' on MTV UK will be presenting a Belle & Sebastian special on Tuesday 29th June, here is the press release ... *** MTV's Alternative Nation presents A BELLE AND SEBASTIAN VIDEO SPECIAL Midnight Tuesday June 29th 1999 As a warm-up to the long-awaited re-release of Tigermilk on July 12th, MTV's Alternative Nation gives UK viewers the chance to see all of the promotional videos produced to date by the band known as BELLE AND SEBASTIAN from midnight on the evening of Tuesday 29th June 1999. The show will also include tracks from THE GENTLE WAVES and LOOPER both bands comprising of various B&S members. In the past these videos have had limited TV coverage and given the feedback to Alternative Nation after airing them on the show, many viewers and fans of the band were unaware of there very existence. So we are pleased to present all of their tracks together in one show for your viewing pleasure. It will also feature the first TV screening of the six-minute mini-documentary recorded by the band late last year entitled 'Up Our Own Arses'. This show is also the first in a series of monthly shows featuring tracks from one band/artist, with an hour of rare and classic videos. These shows will follow the first Alternative Nation of the month. On 6 July 1999 further to numerous requests we feature a Manic Street Preachers video special, following shows lined up include Suede, Beck and Nirvana. Further suggestions and requests for specials or particular videos can be sent to altnation at mtvne.com *** as far as i know, MTV Europe are looking to broadcast this special at some stage, so stay tuned for more details. and speaking of press releases, we now have details on Bowlie 2 - 'All Tomorrow's Parties ... *** ALL TOMORROW'S PARTIES Friday 17th - Monday 20th September Camber Sands Holiday Centre BOWLHEAD REVISITED As weeping music lovers from around the globe disembarked from the sanctuary of the spiritual homecoming that was The Bowlie Weekender, one unified voice could be heard, 'Stuff ever staying in a tent again and pissing in a hole'. The voice travelled through the East Sussex night straight into the attentive conscience of the hosts and overlords of this, the first musical meeting of minds, ideas and chalet-hopping. 'We will return! We will re-live! We will get our deposits back!' And they were right. 'All Tomorrow's Parties' is the spiritual successor to Bowlie. The same location, the same quality of bands, DJ's and production, the same high standards of hygiene and once again, the only festival where you can have a lie-in, watching cable on your own TV, in your own apartment, with its own shower and its own toilet. Over twenty bands will follow the legacy pioneered by the likes of Belle 7 Sebastian, Mercury Rev, Jon Spencer and Mogwai. The line-up, performing in the two indoor venues, will be announced over the next two weeks and as before, there will be several surprise guests and secret acts performing impromptu sets. Five-a-side football, the swimming pool, and the uninhabited endless beaches are all there for your enjoyment, even the crazy golf and go-karts will be open this time round. The gates will open at midday on the Friday to avoid queues and once again in-chalet-entertainment will be provided, showing over forty movies and up to the minute coverage of the event. The apartments sleep 4, 5, 6 and 7 people. Numbers are strictly limited to 2,600 standard tickets priced at £90 - and 100 VIP tickets priced at £130. The ticket price includes three night's accommodation and access to the site's numerous facilities, including the bars that seldom shut. Tickets can be purchased in person, by credit card or over the Internet exclusively from Ticket Web. They go on sale at midnight, Friday 4th june over the Internet - and at 10am on Saturday 5th June on the credit card hotline. A returnable damages deposit of £10 will be added to each ticket at the point of sale. For ticket information, please contact Ticket Web on 0171 771 2000 or online at http://www.ticketweb.co.uk *** the list of confirmed bands is as follows: stereolab the tindersticks shack tortoise yo la tengo high llamas arab strap the delgados bardo pond (tbc) blonde redhead (tbc) gorkys zygotic mynci snow patrol radar brothers clinic laika scott 4 ten benson plaid plone salaryman national park motor life co. pavement will NOT be playing despite the rumours and there should be more bands added next week. oh, and no b&s either ... :( the promoter is popping in today and we will get contact details from them to pass on to you all so you can find out more information, as we don't know any more than is listed above! the 'bowlie' site is still online at http://www.jeepster.co.uk/bowlie/ which has info about the site and the runnings of the april fest, we're not sure if there will be a new site created for 'all tomorrow's parties' but we will have that info tomorrow too :) *** a few more updates on the Looper U.S. gigs ... *the 4th of july show is at irvine meadows 4th of july festival thing (california), not at oak canyon ranch. "This Aint no Picnic"-sonic youth. sunny day real estate.sleater kinney. guided by voices. superchunk. the boredoms. the get up kids. rocket from the crypt. mike watt. apples in stereo. will oldham. hovercraft. orbit. scarnella. at the drive in. the killingtons. crash cart (lineup subject to change) @ oak canyon ranch, irvine. starts at 12pm *tickets are $25+ service charge* *apparently the San Francisco date @ Great American Music Hall has changed, so Looper now appear on July 6th instead of the 7th. *the URL for the venue for the seattle date is http://www.arospace.com/ or http://seattle.sidewalk.com/detail/45669 (thanks to paul, eric, ryan, troy and adam for all the extra info) *** i'm off, have an ace weekend ... anyone got any tips for staying cheery whilst flathunting? :( np - add n to (x) and luna recent lp's. oh, check out the b&s website as you can download your very own b&s wallpaper for your desktop - http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk - i can't quite replace my damon one yet though ... *sigh* cheers, katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ebalsom at xxx.net Fri Jun 4 14:17:10 1999 From: ebalsom at xxx.net (erika balsom) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:47:10 -0230 Subject: Sinister: dont want acceptance, dont want tradition Message-ID: <003001beae8c$9baccc40$974ba5c6@default> hello everyone! > You'll have to forgive me for being blinkered, the only view I have of >american school life is Saved By the Bell. (but i do know all the words >to the theme tune). well, i'm not american, but my (canadian) high school has been compared to a bad american sitcom many, many times. not only do we have completely segregated cliques of people, but there are also names put on the places they sit in school at lunch! the bottom floor of my school is a square, and there is one hallway that leads off of it with the theatre and music rooms. this hallways is nicknamed "loser hall" since it's where the so-called "artsy" kids hang out. it's really terrible- if any crossing-over happens between groups, it's talked about all over school ("Like, you just like don't like do that!"), that is, if it's anyone important enough......the main differences between my school and bayside( the saved by the bell school) are that instead of using the "geeky" kids to do homework, and then make fun of, the "cool" kids just ignore them completely. and instead of football being the cool sport to play, it's hockey. oh, and we aren't friends with our principal. erika xox +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 14:50:11 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:50:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: dont want acceptance, dont want tradition Message-ID: Cripes! > I don't know how many of you were ever bullied at school for being > different, but let me tell you from someone who lives with the > consequences every day, that being in the separate little community that > gets picked on for being different, it certainly FEELS like there is a > big divide. Maybe it's not as evident in your school, or these days in > general but ten years ago when I was in school, there was a bloody HUGE > gap and I was way on the wrong side of it. > > disturbing when people say that they would love to indulge the romantic > notion of the geek/cool divide, like being a victim of childhood > bullying is something to aspire to. You've got me all wrong! No, I wrote it all wrong, I don't think being a victim of childhood bullying is something to aspire to, I was just trying to say i would like to look back and think it was a war of the cool vs the nerds, when it really wasn't, it was just a few people that picked on other people because they were different. I was bullied on and off mentally for three years until I found solace with a few other people like me and we stuck together. Over the years people changed and now some of the people that hurt me very badly at the start of senior school are now in my immediate social circle. > from what I went through, it just left me a bit of a mess and there's no > fucking romance in that :) It does leave you in a messyou're absolutely right, and you only realise when something like this reminds you of it, choking up bad memories. ugh. Mind you, as everyone says, those who peak at school spent the rest of their life trailing downwards... Erica x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 15:05:08 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:05:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: ooh baaaybeh, baaaybeh, how was i supposed to knoow ? Message-ID: <01BEAE9B.A3CDF3E0.p.cullen@music-control.com> hey y'all, well, who would have thought that my little "toastmasters" query would have sparked off such heated conversation :) thanks to all who replied, but i think i liked peter ramsdales theory the best. it was the closest to what i had in mind anyways :) "and god said to the meek: come forth and ye shall inherit the earth. but they came fifth so they got a toaster." c. scottydog, 1999. later, paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! ***************** "aaaiiieeeee!!!!" - manda rin ***********************+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bfundak at xxx.edu Fri Jun 4 15:15:15 1999 From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 10:15:15 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Surviving the American High School In-Reply-To: <199906041319.HAA29234@turtle.esosoft.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990604101515.00923a50@popb.bgsu.edu> >Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 11:34:42 +0100 >From: "Graham MacArthur" >Subject: Re: Sinister: dont want acceptance, dont want tradition > >dmitry told us about the american dream: > >> system in teh world (UIUC), its impossible not to run into them and >their: >> khaki shorts, sweaters, Tommy and abercrombie and fitch clothes, baseball >> hats, matchbox 20/offspring tshirts, and who could forget the >> homophobic/dumb jock attitudes. all stereotypes, yes, but all true. > >I have a feeling, had I had to have grown up in a "typical" american high >school, I would have surely committed suicide. Mind you, can too many >eighties teen films blur your vision? (as a brit, i mean). I've though >about this quite a bit, and I think overall, there is no geek/cool people >divide in schools. It's a myth exaggerated by films and books, and indeed >Pulp songs. It's a romantic notion which I would have taken pleasure in >indulging in given cause, but even if I never used to have any friends in >the first year, it wasn't cool people that slinked up to me and took the >piss, it was just nasty nerds, who took pleasure in making other people >feel like they had. There are just seperate little communities (the >obligitary 'in' crowd) and people who get picked on because they are >slightly different to everyone else. > >But In America, there are more nightmares to go through though, like the >Prom, and sports events which are built up bigger than they would ever be >over here. And more of a feeling of 'school spirit', which is bound to >leave people feeling alienated if they weren't a bouncy cheerleader type or >a grunting jock type. Do these people only exist in frats? You'll have to >forgive me for being blinkered, the only view I have of american school >life is Saved By the Bell. (but i do know all the words to the theme tune). I think that this sort of class separation is over emphasized, but it does exist. And it is usually propigated by teachers, who are supposed be impartial in these situations. However, throughout my entire American public school experience students were always given preference due to their abilities. Yes, the jocks were separated out, but so were the "gifted" children (for some reason I was put in with these people). Those who were given preferential treatment usually managed to find support from their peers and teachers. However a large cross section of students are always left out when this sort of thing happens and then you get people like my brother who doesn't really fit into any category and as a result becomes a part of the mass of people deemed unremarkable by the teachers/administration. My brother is pretty stable, but it's this group that the people like the trenchcoat brigade came from. Then again i went to a school that is technically considered an inner city school (the crackhouses were a few streets down) and thus didn't have much of the affluence that places like Columbine had. Also, when I went to high school, the big problem was finding babies in dumpsters and park toilets and not postal like shootings. Brandt "VIRGO AND CANCER: Virgo provides the emotional security that Cancer needs and the little attentions that provide affection. Cancer's dependence finds its perfect answer in Virgo's needs to be protective. cancer's imagination is stimulating to Virgo, and Cancer's anxiety to please deepens Virgo's affections.Both will come out of their shell and begin to enjoy life." --Sexual Astrology (1976) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From messentw at xxx.uk Fri Jun 4 15:54:17 1999 From: messentw at xxx.uk (William Messent) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:54:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Party Round At Mine Tonight Message-ID: <19990604145417.21808.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Ay up kids. Ay up. We're having a bar-b-q (as Sainsbury's Homebase spell it) and big old booze up garden party tonight!!! And it's going to piss down (probably)!!! Ah well. I've been put in charge of the music. I like doing that. Thing is, I always like to put 'my' music on (ie B&S, Elliott Smith, Hood etc etc) because I think I'm doing everyone a favour by introducing them to fantastic music, but nobody else sees it that way. I put on all the faster, more upbeat B&S songs, to help the party SWING (hem hem), but someone always seems to end up taking my tape out and putting the Stereophonics (or someone) on. BASTARDS. I'm going to watch that stereo like a hawk. This is my first post by the way. What's that? Oh, you had guessed. Sos. I have actually been on the list for AGES, but I used to get the digest at work (and I sold my ass out to the private sector, a company I will not mention for shame). Anyway, I kept missing my digest, and with honey's help, I found out that the company were BLOCKING my sinister digest because or your filthy filthy language. Naughty. But I've subscribed on this account, where we can all swear as much as we want. But let's not, eh? There may be children present. I'm off. Oh, could you all pray for sunshine tonight? Cheers. Love Will === _____________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Fri Jun 4 15:57:41 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:57:41 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Bring Back National Service Message-ID: <01beae9a$990830c0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> "Up Our Own Arses"? How quaint. I do love press releases, they always seem to be a race between mistakes and unnecessary exclamation marks. Come back, Derek Taylor! *sigh* As well as providing a plausible explanation for Roger Daltry's behaviour in the 70s, BULLYING is a recurring theme in the work of The WHO. See "Little Billy," "I'm A Boy," "Get Off, You Bastard" and "My Wife" for confirmation. Perhaps Keith would like to expand on this, as not only is he a big WHO fan, he is also well-known bully, having given Rodd lines outside the science block once. Ha ha, just my little joke, I'm sure Keith wasn't a bully. Otherwise he wouldn't be a highly succesful computer boffin, because most bullies end up in prison, or they get married and have kids and calm down, or they become acid casualties. That is all, Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 16:28:03 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:28:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: An overprivileged whiteboy writes Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E226E7359@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Youn Jong Noh wrote: Is Mr. Dastoor of the Guardian wishing a sorry end to his fellow journalists, fanzine & e-zine editors here? Erm, Mr Dastoor, with your posh email address - remind us what you do at The Guardian? :P Regarding Emma and Miki from Lush and their disappointing voices - I can officially confirm that Isobel Campbell sounds like Louis Armstrong seeking to cure a heavy cold with an 80-fags-a-day regime - her speaking voice loosens bowels from 20 paces. And Leonard Cohen sounds like Chris Eubank. Honest. As I'm sure I've waffled before, I've seen Stereolab 15 times now but I don't have all that much desire to see them anymore as they are continually heading away from the things that made me borderline obsessive in them 4 or 5 years ago. i.e. the first album. And the second one, for that matter. However, I shall definitely be playing some 'lab at (ahem) A Night of Tigermilking, Upstairs at the Garage (Highbury and Islington tube - please someone tell me if that's wrong), Friday 11th June 1999 - all your fave B&S hits and practically every band you've heard praised on this very list, mainly thanks to Kevan Cooke's second-to-none record collection. I'm also plotting something rather special, but I don't know if it's going to come off yet, so shhhh.... Moving on, I always thought the Greek system meant up-the-bum sex. How little I know... I know loads of people are going to tell me how ridiculous this is, but...when I was younger (until my early teens, probably) my idea of an idyll was to live in a leafy American suburb with wide roads, driveways, big detached houses with little verandahs at the front, cute girls with fringes living next door - imagine Boy meets World, or wee Tom Hanks' neighbourhood in Big. I ought to point out that I live in something which I imagine is roughly its equivalent in England, so it's not exactly adventurous, or even longing for a better life. I'm not sure I can explain it, either - it just seemed so comfortable yet exciting, full of possibilities - probably because all the things that the American kids explored looked so much fun and expressed a more exciting culture and I just wanted to be a part of it. South London seemed so banal, though I betcha it's not half as banal as some of my little fantasies. The older I've got, the more sinister (small s) the whole notion of happy suburban family life has become. And the more I've heard stories of unhappiness, abuse, bigotry and all the things which were blissfully absent from my overprivileged 9-year-old life, the more I find myself wondering how I could have perceived this as nirvana. Even if discovering Calvin and Hobbes (there is nowhere near enough Calvin & Hobbes discussion on this list, though some may disagree) made me remember why it had seemed more attractive, it still strikes me as weird how this could have been such a dream for me. Well, the above 3 paras are very much self-indulgent waffling. I do apologise - but it was kind of nice to just speak like that. Pompous arse that I am :) I had the opposite school experience to Ailsa - in my (overachieving private boys') school, I got on fine with the cool set, the hard lads, the geeks and the simply dull. My principle friends were the indiekids, for want of a better definition - we all fancied ourselves as being that little bit more Bohemian and intellectual than the others, but not in too offensive a way - we were happy chatting about Ride behind out fringes and wandering off to listen to the Dead Kennedys and eat pot noodles and kit-kats at someone's nearby flat during lunch break. I even had friends in the year below me, which was pretty much unheard of, one of whom is still my best friend seven years later (the only downside was that it led to aspersions being cast on my sexuality, something which I sort of played up to (some may say I still do :))). Hmmm - middle class boy with mild superiority complex has untroubled childhood - not exactly thrilling, sorry :) I am *so* sorry for the length of what is possibly the most pointless post ever on sinister. Slapped wrists all round. Love Mark xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Fri Jun 4 16:37:13 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 16:37:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Apologies yet again References: Message-ID: <3757F2A9.A1A8EA26@student.paisley.ac.uk> For someone allegedly "articulate" and "intelligent" I don't half get things wrong sometimes! Erica wrote: > You've got me all wrong! No, I wrote it all wrong, I don't think being a > victim of childhood bullying is something to aspire to, I was just trying > to say i would like to look back and think it was a war of the cool vs the > nerds, when it really wasn't, it was just a few people that picked on other > people because they were different. And all I can do is apologise (I'll mail you personally Erica, thanks for writing to me) and just remind people that this is a classic example of not thinking before you write and the way it can leave people feeling a bit bad about things. I realise that some things aren't as clear in print as they seem in your head, I'm certainly guilty of that some of the time, so to anyone who thinks I was being reactionary to Erica, I wasn't, well OK I was, but I read what she wrote the wrong way. It's just a subject close to my heart and I don't like it when I see it being dismissed or trivialised. I realise this isn't what Erica intended at all, it was just a misunderstanding, and it's all sorted out now (hopefully). Sorry again, I've been rather dull and if any of you want to talk to me off-list about the whole bullying thing, well you can. I'm sure no-one else really needs to read my public therapy sessions, I just needed to get it off my chest and I hope none of you think I'm craving attention, trying to fulfil an angst-ridden stereotype or any of the other things I probably seem to be doing. I'm just starting to realise that I don't have to feel shit about what happened to me when I was a kid, and maybe talking about it is some sort of catharsis and also it might help other people too. I realise probably no-one took what Erica said the way I did, and so all I was doing was talking bollocks and re-iterating a thread that has been done to death several times before, but I do think there is a world out there that exists beyond songs like Expectations and Lord Anthony and Misshapes. I'll leave it at that. Sorry for being so dull and stupid and reactionary and generally a bit rubbish. It's probably PMT. Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 17:08:00 1999 From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:08:00 EDT Subject: Sinister: An overprivileged whiteboy responds Message-ID: In a message dated 6/4/99 11:33:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark at HITEntertainment.com writes: << I'm not sure I can explain it, either - it just seemed so comfortable yet exciting, full of possibilities - probably because all the things that the American kids explored looked so much fun and expressed a more exciting culture and I just wanted to be a part of it. South London seemed so banal, though I betcha it's not half as banal as some of my little fantasies. >> Interestingly enough, (growing up in the US) I always wanted to live in England. England was the province of things like accents, foreign films, queens of both the royal and freddy mercury sort, and lower drinking ages. I still do want to live in England, after visiting it. I grew up in the South-East bit of the US, and there's a lot of nice things here. And many not so nice ones, too. I suppose that as people get older, they realize that there are good things to be found wherever they are. Still, reminiscing about young dreams is a nice feeling, i think. Which brings up my segue into Calvin and Hobbes. I like the world that Calvin lives in. It's so uncomplicated by adult things like: Names for Calvin's parents., either first or last any sort of definite floor plan for the house. Calvin's room is upstairs, and so is the bathroom. that's all i know. So is Hobbes real or not? and does Calvin actually transmogrify? In related news, if you value Bill Watterson's opinion at all, DO NOT buy anything with Calvin or Hobbes on it. They are all ripoff bootlegs and are stolen stolen stolen. Mr Watterson said that he will never license anything other than books to be sold with his artwork in them. He thinks of Calvin like a parent does a child, and it makes him angry to see things like Calvin pissing on various images, Calvin and/or Hobbes stoned or drunk, and the like. Plus he makes no money from it. defiantly continuing the self indulgent threads dave* planning on hitting the DC pic-nic scene next week +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 17:27:56 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:27:56 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Does Jarvis look better in leather or corduroys? Message-ID: <199906041228_MC2-783C-C5E9@compuserve.com> Does anybody out there know if there is a book called "Music Theory for Dummies", I'm a dummy and I need help. My music teacher thinks I'm a fool, I just don't dig it. One of you lot must be able to understand music and you must of learnt from a book. Do you have the ISBN of it. Hey, if any members of B&S are reading, give me your ISBN's. Oh, is Sarah Cracknel really on this list? ============================== Passed the Pub that saps your body and the Church all they want is your money, The Queen is dead boys, it's so lonely on a limb. ============================== +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Kt788 at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 18:48:49 1999 From: Kt788 at xxx.com (Kt788 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:48:49 EDT Subject: Sinister: she's my whore, oh yeah Message-ID: <2c0006c3.24896b81@aol.com> At the moment I am listening to the Roky Erickson cd, Never Say Goodbye. It's one of the most genuinely beautiful cd's i have heard in a long, long time. I think all of you should go out and get it this very instant. It's got that lovely rough quality, being home recordings and such. It is simply undescribable, unearthly almost. Pure Unforced beauty. It makes me want to be in love or something. Anyone else heard it? I bet you'll agree with me, and if you don't, then I'm sure you've got no soul. There's been a lot of talk about frats and sorrorities. I saw some documentary about sorrorities on t.v. recently. It was about how they were racist and evil and how most college students don't really like the frat boys and sorrority girls. They had interviews with ex-sorrority members, like some kind of AA meeting. They also had interviews with pledges and members, and to be quite honest, they seemed a bit warped to me. It was like some kind of cult, with their secret handshakes and ceremonies and rituals. I'm sure they're not all like that, but it is quite sketchy... It also brought up a really good point about the anti-intellectual phenomena in america. You go to a place of learning so you can get drunk and sleep with frat boys? It's only my opinion, but you must be a bit insecure to feel the need to join these places. Like you're worried you can't find friends if you don't. Incedentally, I was very unpopular in high school, so perhaps I'm just bitter and biased. Wait a minute... no I'm not. I've discovered that my cat likes B&S, especially If you're feeling sinister. I was playing it yesterday and he strutted over and plopped himself next to the speakers and started purring. He also does that when I play Joni Mitchell albums or Elvis movies. I always thought cats had a bad sense of hearing, so maybe mine is just a silly billy or i am crazy. with love from planet juniper p.s. nobody is my whore, that is just a line from the cd i told you about and a damn good line, too. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.EDU Fri Jun 4 18:58:57 1999 From: ynoh at xxx.EDU (Youn Jong Noh) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: sententiousness is the best policy while sentencing (a new causative) In-Reply-To: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E226E7359@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Message-ID: Mark Casarotto wrote: > Erm, Mr Dastoor, with your posh email address - remind us what you do at The > Guardian? :P Ooh that's a relief to know. It would be frightful to discover that any of us (seriously) worked for the establishment or had real jobs. (I hope I've not insulted anyone here who is quite earnest about the work that they are doing ... I think I might have seen an email address for the Dublin Times during one of the countless hours I spend perusing every nook and cranny of the sinister site in an effort to remember or to forget how meaningful these past four years at university have been so that I can conjure up the appropriate tears at graduation.) In five or six years time when the path I am on has undoubtedly revealed itself to be a failure, I intend to make a smooth transition to being a valet, hopefully Stuart's. Therefore, I must ask that all of you who actually encounter Stuart to sharpen your reporting skills a bit. (I don't mean to sound imperious here as I am hopeless in this area.) Exact reports of articles of clothing worn with all sartorial details noted and verbatim reports of all utterances would be nice (necessary if I am to become a valet in the grand tradition established by Mr. Jeeves). (His usual drink was a nice detail - thanks.) Can someone also please tell me why semicolons, p's, and parentheses often appear at the end of lines that other people write? Regarding Erica's and Alisa's emails, they both have good points, and it is possible that they had different experiences. There was a film out a few years ago. and I think a short-lived TV spinoff from it. called "Welcome to the Dollhouse" that brought it up all over again for me. (It's actually a part of my present experience, but not in the same way, as aging seems to have dulled my sensitivity to it.) I guess it could be the change in perspective really does not give you the same access, in the same way it is difficult to imagine the fear of walking down a dark hallway when you were four. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 19:37:18 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:37:18 EDT Subject: Sinister: dont want acceptance, dont want tradition Message-ID: <93d75582.248976de@aol.com> I don't know...in a way TV and movies have done a fairly slipshod job portraying the American high school experience, or at least MY high school experience. Maybe it was just the school I went to (not exactly Phi Beta Kappa material) but there was a clear distinction between the "in" crowd (sports players, preppies) and the "outcasts" (punk kids, the brains) that was noticeable from the start. The rich kids and sports stars ran the school and individual classes and that apparently gave them free reign to make everyone else's life hell for their amusement. It was pretty sickening to a 15-year-old kid who had just graduated from a Catholic middle school where everyone knew everyone and the whole school went to everyone's birthday parties, etc. For my first two years in Northeast High I was a huge punk rock dwarf with Nirvana emblems on every flat surface and Fugazi stickers all over my locker; and as a result I was quickly tormented on a daily basis. They also disliked the fact that I hadn't gone to the "normal" middle school which was (and still is) the roughest school in Maryland with regard to drug arrests (yes, there are 12-year-old crack pushers) and class disruptions. I made the soccer team freshman year but all that served to do was to give the jocks and preps easy access to me because I had to feign "oneness" with them for the sake of the team and whatnot. It was kind of fascinating because I could actually see the inner working of the "popular" machine, but most of the time I was just fighting not to get locked in the bathroom by the other 20 kids on the team. By the beginning of sophmore year I realized how big of a farce the whole social scene was so I just removed myself from it as a whole and sat by myself at lunch and read books and started a band. Eventually I got tired of being a hermit so I made some new friends and for whatever reason the "in" crowd was now more than willing to except me now that I knew what an arbitrary bunch of arses they were (not to sound snobby but I think my band had something to do with it because we were the most popular act in town). Needless to say I wasn't going to get burned twice, but it was a sweet revenge. With that sappy story in mind, I think Hollywood has actually been alot nicer to the cliques than they deserve. Anyone who went to a US high school and found themselves on the wrong side of the game can tell how depraved and evil most of these kids are. On TV the it appears the whole school is one big family united in the promulgation of school spirit. I had friends beaten up for wearing Marilyn Manson shirts (this was three years ago...just before he got hugely popular and these self-same jocks took to wearing his picture), I had brand new hats crumpled and thrown in toilets simply because the preppies found it offensive that I didn't think they were funny or smart, people had car windows shot out because they made fun of someone's girlfriend, etc. I'm not saying all this because it warped me for life and whatnot but its just somewhat distressing that the scenes of American high schools that people across the world are seeing involve actions and feelings that are largely, if not totally absent from reality. Like I said, maybe this doesn't happen to this degree everywhere, but I'll bet its pretty close. Signing off... Steve C> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Fri Jun 4 19:07:35 1999 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1999 19:07:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Does Jarvis look better in leather or corduroys? Message-ID: <199906041915.UAA06336@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> You can get a little book made by the Associated Board and loads of practice books. I taught myself up to Grade 4, but at Grade 5, I needed a bit of extra tutoring. If you have any problems on specific questions e-mail them to me and I'll have a crack at them. I can't find the book that helps you learn, but the practice ones are called 'Music Theory In Practice' and the ISBN for the Grade 5 one is 1-85472-494-0. Just ask at your local music store for the AB guide to theory though, they should know what you mean. Chris Jones. ---------- From: Robert Foster To: Sinister (E-mail) Subject: Sinister: Does Jarvis look better in leather or corduroys? Date: 04 June 1999 17:27 Does anybody out there know if there is a book called "Music Theory for Dummies", I'm a dummy and I need help. My music teacher thinks I'm a fool, I just don't dig it. One of you lot must be able to understand music and you must of learnt from a book. Do you have the ISBN of it. Hey, if any members of B&S are reading, give me your ISBN's. Oh, is Sarah Cracknel really on this list? ============================== Passed the Pub that saps your body and the Church all they want is your money, The Queen is dead boys, it's so lonely on a limb. ============================== +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 9705516m at xxx.uk Fri Jun 4 21:53:02 1999 From: 9705516m at xxx.uk (David Andrew McNicol) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:53:02 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Paris and Schools Message-ID: <8BF571572BE@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Hi, I'm hoping that there might be someone out there who knows Paris, and could suggest some good night spots, since I'm going out there in a week and could do with the advice. If you could email me privately and let me know that would be great! Th "e" ky is not working proprly so just add an whn it looks lik it neds on - sorry. On th subjct off schools and how popl found thm, I have to say, that I found school th worst tim of my lif. My background didn't hlp - my dads a ministr, and I went to school all ovr as w always had to mov, whn w finally did stay in th on plac it was in Glasgow, Scotland, and I had (and still do) an nglish accnt. Now for anyone who dosnt know about the hatred that som Scots harbour for the nglish thn your lucky, but lts just say I had 6/7 yars of bing called nglish (which I'm not!! - that mad it worst) and bing bullid for that, as wll as othr things. But on th up sid, I think it may hav don m som good, sinc now I don't lt things get to me at all which in som ways is good. All I rally wantd to say was that going to school and having th bst or worst tim is what maks you into what you ar now, and if your happy with yourslf now (which I am) thn thats all what counts and in som way th tratment that you got at school hlpd turn you into that. Sorry for babling off, but it is a prsonal issu, and I just had to say somthing. Uni computrs ar BAD, and I'm sorry if no one can undrstand what I hav writtn (which may b a good thing). Dave -Enjoy life and everything you do in it- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From adrock at xxx.com Fri Jun 4 21:08:25 1999 From: adrock at xxx.com (Mike Jones) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:08:25 -0400 Subject: Sinister: run on, run on Message-ID: <000f01beaec6$02082b40$b2d88dcc@oemcomputer> aloha everyone. i bought franny and zooey the other night. so far, i love it. keep in mind i'm only on page 20 at this point, but i highly doubt my enjoyment of the book will decrease. i just wanted to say thanks to everyone who sent me emails and to those who posted. yr all such wonderfully kind and courteous people. ok...aloha fr now. hope everyone is ok. love, mike j adrock at netrom.com coming through my speakers: play, the new moby record. has anyone seen mike mills's video fr the song run on? ohh i love mike mills. i met him at a sonic youth show in nyc last summer, along with cibo matto, who's new LP is out on tuesday...can't wait. ok im rambling. my apologies. aloha, fr real this time. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tjl at xxx.uk Fri Jun 4 21:18:29 1999 From: tjl at xxx.uk (Tim) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:18:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: um...ooh.. Message-ID: <002a01beaec7$7905c9e0$010ae392@tjl> I love Teenage Fanclub. no, really i do. And that's just about all I have to say. Well, not quite. I lied. One of those habit type things. On the subject of Teenage Fanclub....Did anyone record them on the evening session on Lamacq Live this Monday?? On the opposite side of my undying love, what I hate are exams. Another three weeks of delightful torture, although I've found that listening to If You're Feeling Sinister is a big help. That and Looper of course, because I've never heard an album quite so light, and good though! Can anyone tell me what the Snow Patrol album is like? I bought it last week, but still can't be arsed to listen to it, which is really quite worrying, but I keep putting Grand Prix on my stereo. Must make a decision on Bowlie 2. Hmm................ Tim +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From zoe.parsons at xxx.uk Fri Jun 4 23:11:43 1999 From: zoe.parsons at xxx.uk (janetzx) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:11:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Paris and Schools Message-ID: <000e01beaed7$3a5c9420$52b501a3@stu082.sjc.ox.ac.uk> Dave Wrote: All I rally wantd to say was that going to school and having th bst or worst tim is what maks you into what you ar now, and if your happy with yourslf now (which I am) thn thats all what counts and in som way th tratment that you got at school hlpd turn you into that. I'm not contradicting this - in fact I agree entirely. BUT school is not the only place which makes you who you are. University changed everything for me - I was a bit of an outcast at school, though I made some very good friends in 6th form, when classes were merged so social groups changed completely. School creates a cycle which is sometimes impossible to get out of if it goes wrong, because you see the same poeple every day. There is often no freedom to change your situation, because everything stays the same. So, people rarely change their opinion of you - and it is so easy to bitch about the same person over and over again out of lazy, unimaginative habit. I know I've been there from both sides. I was lucky at Uni - a slow starter, being shy, low self confidence and all that. I went to the bar once in first week, cos I thought i should, and sat alone at a table feeling REALLY stupid til some caring 2nd year bawled over "OY! ARE YOU A FIRST YEAR? Come and meet another!" who happened to be on the same course, and a really nice guy, not into arsing around with conventional social brownie-points. So, it rolled sweetly from there - he is now 3 yrs later one of my best friends. A heart-warming story. Some of my friends have not been so lucky, and it's taken them literally years to meet people they feel comfortable with (usually cos they were made to feel useless at school) Funny, but shy people with low self esteem often end up hanging around together. And having a great time. Thankyou very much. My point is: School can be a twisted place, and give people warped ideas about who they are/ how good they are etc. Though, as Ailsa says, your experiences at school affect your behaviour for years/ forever, they are not by any means the end of the story. Uni made me much more who I am now (um....a student :-)) than school did. I met people who had been very popular, but saw no reason to sneer at those who hadnt, also people who had been given a far harder time at school than I had - no need to tell you who found it easier to make friends. I went with an "oh great, no-one knows me, I can change my personality to something I like" attitude - which I soon realised was unnecessary: people did not have the habitual prejudices that developed through school, and were mainly welcoming and curious about other new people - not curious in an intrusive way, but in a "give you the benefit of the doubt" way - an attitude which has not gone away, even after 3 years. People who were ignored when in first year (I'm thinking of them wot I mentioned before, who are shyer than me) are getting to know people they bloody well ought to have got friendly with years ago - but it just didn't happen. For reasons Ailsa has articulately (as always) articulated. Long post. eeuch. be happy. go to picnics. don't stress. um...I've reread this and cringed, but it's a 3rd attempt,. so... love Janet. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Sat Jun 5 00:25:22 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (katrina house) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 00:25:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sinister photos Message-ID: <37586062.ED492816@jeepster.co.uk> hi, does anybody else think that trousers looks like jonathon from mercury rev in this picture ... http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/cgi-local/photo.cgi?gallery=picnics&photo=andy_ben_trou_chalet no wonder his list crush hits are through the roof ... :) k. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Sat Jun 5 03:52:16 1999 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:52:16 PDT Subject: Sinister: I wish I Could Crunch Math Problems For Breakfast Message-ID: <19990605025219.84916.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear List, You know...I`m actually gonna talk music... I decided to buy this Godspeed You Black Emperor..and well,thankyou Sinister for making me a hit with the HMV boys, geez,they went nuts,anyways..I was shocked to find out they`re from Montreal! Interesting..I feel..proud, really I do.I was playing them late at night and it was an experiene, I mean, they`re no Dubmatique,but still. Oh,a weird thing: My teacher grabbed the headphones from me,and he likes them too. Alright,I`m going to talk about a festival that hasnt nothing to do with Bowlie,so 99 percent of you won`t care,but blow me bowlie anyways.Canadian listees: Are any of you going to the Ottawa Blues Fest? (Hey,hey..i`m cool) Aretha cancelled but but but the lineup is now as follows: Smokey Robinson (mmmmmmmm),Little Richard,Booker T & The MG`s,Eric Burdon,Rod Pizazza & The Mighty Flyers,Lil` Ed And The Blues Imperials,John Hiatt,Otis Taylor,Denise LaSalle,Bobby Rush,Gladys Knight there`s tons more in the gospel tent and all that,but im just typing what the flyer says. I`m going to be volunteering there,wiping the sweat off of furrowed brows. the whole high school thing: Sometimes (well most of the time) I just hate being in school,especially during the summer,those stuffy classrooms and never-ending lessons,horrible tests,those are things I won`t miss...but the people,yeah some people can be asses,but don`t you find that anywhere,at all stages in life? The friends,that`s what makes everything GOOD about it..it get`s me really depressed...you always hear those stories about how most people don`t have friends with ANY of their friends from high school when they`re older,it`s really sad for me,I mean..what if you don`t find friends like that ever again? It`s different rules it seems to,at school,you can just meet someone,see them at a party,and sometimes you`re instantly bonded,but i don`t think it`s the same later... I wouldn`t believe all those stereotypes if I were you, sure,some places are awful. It seems at schools currently it`s the goths that get picked on,but I have to be honest here (I`m not saying ALL goths do this so don`t freak out on me) a lot of goths (well at my school anyways) will wear capes and makeup and strange things...and its just begging for attention, if they don`t want the attention,then why do they so desperately rely on it?(not just goths,all sorts of people,I`M NOT LABELING HERE) I mean,if we live in a world where people can`t accept others because of their skin,you think you can just waltz around with whatever you want and no one`s going to say anything? maybe it`s sad,but it`s reality. And we ALL have our own problems,all this victim crap, some people have really serious problems and they learn to deal with it. Yes,you`ve really got to be careful with stereotypes,I mean, not ALL jocks are dumb,just like not all nerds can`t live without their bunsen burners.Being fit IS important too, you cant have all books and learning.They go hand in hand. Sound body,sound mind you know? I wish I had a Super Nerd brain anyways,god how I do! It`s not funny! Some people can just be like `oh I didnt study and I got 100% on my chem test` I would kill for that! And hey-- being friends with the teacher`s? There`s NOTHING wrong with that,it doesn`t mean your a teachers pet. Sleeping with your teachers to get better grades is ok too. Ha ha..just kidding.Although Mr.Kincaid (the substitute teacher) is delicious. He`s married though,with a kid and everything, why are they always married. le grand sigh. And maybe it`s just me....but how can you not like Prom? Prom Passion!The dresses,the date (well,sometimes the date is dreamy)the corsages,dancing,all the primping...sigh...it`s BEAUTIFUL, the one chance you really get to be a princess (or prince,however you like it).I`ve got Seventeen`s from ages back in 93 and the prom fashion spreads were always so gorgeous...the flowy dresses,the girls running on the beach..*sniff* ok,maybe I wouldn`t be so eager if my Prom was held in our gym or something,but still...man,its PROM! Stu D`s Winter Wooksie: What`s it all about? I have my own ideas,but you will all think I`m obsessed when I share them.I have invaded Stuart David`s concious with my constant pestering,I KNOW IT. Stuart Babe: Don`t fight it.Let it take you over. I have my own idea to Lazy Line Painter Jane as well..but that`s an old thread isn`t it? Sometimes I do wish I could`ve gone to high school in the 50`s. That whole Innocent America (I know it`s probably the rose-coloured glasses and all) really appeals to me.Going to the Malt Shoppe with Your Boy.Wearing poodle skirts and sighing hopelessly about Bobby Junior.Doing the Locomotion at birthday parties! Jukeboxes. Putting posters of Paul Anka up on your walls.Paul Anka got much more cooler in the 70`s though didn`t he? I don`t like that Diana song (he warbles) but I like that hippy one `You`re Having My Baby! I`m a woman in Love...etc` Ah sorry Blake that my spot in your heart has been taken.It`s exam times here. And NO,not the fun exams like the university people do,the horrendous,reduces me to tears ones. The university ones look fun.I`ve seen the students...all they do is is sit out in those lovely cafes on warm summer evenings and drink! No,I`m not bitter. Just because they all have their,ooh,hip univeristy girlfriends and they probably do all these artsy things,I`m not bitter. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Sat Jun 5 04:04:09 1999 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:04:09 PDT Subject: Sinister: school spirit Message-ID: <19990605030410.63349.qmail@hotmail.com> I know I just wrote a whole junk load,but i do this all at once during these frantic times. Just why is school spirit so wrong? I`m sorry,but if you want to make the school a better place,you need to have some.Sure,you can sit back and cleverly anazlyze exactly what`s wrong with everything and pat yourself on the back,but my heart goes out to those who instead of just saying what`s wrong with something,try and MAKE IT BETTER. If no one puts any effort,of course it`s going to be crap.My school is in an awful area,but once people started getting involved and TRYING,even though we have a horrible school board (which makes improvements very hard) and our school doesnt have much money, we at least try. This year it`s a lot of girls who are running the school and I`m very proud, that whole ditzy girl thing is so 80`s. If you really care about the school and people,you`re bound to be a nice person! Why would such a mean spiritied person put so much effort to make it better for everyone anyways? ok,I actually am going to talk about Bowlie now! Is this All The Night`s Parties really going to be that dumb? I was really looking forward to a Bowlie II.Just to travel would be nice. People have already got their chalets all picked together? I could sleep on a floor, seriously. And I apologize If I sound Miss Thang on here.I`m a polite person and more mature in real life.I do dishes as well. love,genevieve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ASpawnyGit at xxx.com Sat Jun 5 08:45:19 1999 From: ASpawnyGit at xxx.com (ASpawnyGit at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 03:45:19 EDT Subject: Sinister: school spirit Message-ID: So here i was, sitting at a bar i often visit on my own. The longbranch, and sitting by myself, drinking pabst blue ribbon, as usual. And my friend steve and some unfamiliar indie-rock looking charachter that reminded me, for some strange reason, of my cousin eddie. only, much, hipper... they sit down and make me feel cool because i have been sitting there by myself for almost an hour hoping someone cool would come talk to me and make all these fucken weirdos around me think i was there hoping to meet someone, or do whetever it is they do...thats cool. So at a place like the longbranch how could i go wrong, i sit and wait and eventually some really fucken cool people come up and sit down and say all that "hey whats up man. " bullshit. We end up drinking shitloads and the girl at the door has no clue, or doesnt want to pretend to know, that we are going in for free this whole time, shit she doesnt even card us at the door anymore. She does do a lot of crossword puzzles however and thats the biggest turn on in my book. And she knows it. I fucken told her matter of fact. So we sit outside drinking pabst blue ribbon by the bottle, fuck heinekin, listening to this shit ass devil music thats taking place in the bar. Me and Steve and Jesse. Steve has a fetish for underaged girls it turns out, i dont want to ever concieve how we found that out but he fucken admitted the fact after much antagonizing and riddicule from myself and Jesse. We became an arrogant trio , trying to keep the image of being cool and really drunk at the same time we decided to fuck these idiots and leave. So we leave. Hanging out on Steve's porch, drinking pabst again only in aluminum cans wrapped in brown bags. laughing..and having fun. Talking about the Murder City Devils show and the shit that eventually brought us together from that show. It is weird to live in this town, everyone is connected somehow. Anyways, fuck i just felt like writing and you are all the victom of it. Brad (Spawny Git) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Sat Jun 5 10:11:04 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 05:11:04 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Scott 4 Message-ID: <199906050511_MC2-7840-BE69@compuserve.com> Hi All Nothing to do with B&S, except via Bowlie II: Scott 4 on Ned Sherrin's Loose Ends, Radio 4 FM - NOW! Bye David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com Sat Jun 5 12:31:21 1999 From: ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com (Ben Parker) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 04:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: ac acoustics on tuesday? Message-ID: <19990605113121.20545.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Hello. is anyone going to see ac acoustics and snow patrol on tuesday night? I'm thinking of going 'cause its my brothers birthday, and so i feel inclined to go somewhere for the evening...but what are ac acoustics like these days? - I haven't seen, or heard, anything from them for a while - well, since I saw them playing with the senseless things many years ago - quite liked them though, although there was a quite tiny audience at the time...they played at bowlie didn't they? BeN _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Sat Jun 5 10:57:10 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 10:57:10 +0100 Subject: [RE]Sinister: sententiousness is the best policy while sentencing (a new causative) Message-ID: <19990605135710.HM.000000000018H8C@mixmail.com> Young John wrote: >>Regarding Erica's and Alisa's emails, they both have good points, and it >>is possible that they had different experiences. There was a film >>out a few years ago. and I think a short-lived TV spinoff from it. called >>"Welcome to the Dollhouse" that brought it up all over again for me. >>(It's actually a part of my present experience, but not in the same way, >>as aging seems to have dulled my sensitivity to it.) I guess it could be >>the change in perspective really does not give you the same access, in the >>same way it is difficult to imagine the fear of walking down a dark >>hallway when you were four. I can�t be more agree. I saw "welcome to the dollhouse" a year ago (it�s Todd Solondz very first movie) and it�s quite representative of some of my school years. It�s not that I see myself in the main caracter, obviously (it�s a thin girl with big glasses) but it shows the cruelty of some kids in our school years. Maybe Solondz suffered this kind of things when he was a kid, because I can�t imagine other way of creating such representative situations. Another topic: please stop e-mailing me about the Barcelona�s gig. I�ve got at least 10 people waiting for a copy, so I�ve got to close my "shop". I�ll e-mail you personally to each one of you. I�m gonna get the valid copy of the gig in a few days, so you�ll have to wait, and I�m afraid it�s going to take a few more days, because I�m in my exams now. Some Jeepster-questions: Is it true that Salako will also be playing the Benic�ssim festival, in august ? is there any little chance of having B&S in that festival ? you�ll see, the dates are quite appropiate, I think. Have a fabulous saturday. ================================================== Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From giita at xxx.com Sat Jun 5 13:37:37 1999 From: giita at xxx.com (Giita.) Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 12:37:37 GMT Subject: Sinister: All Tomorrows Chalets.. Message-ID: <19990605123738.17903.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello my Darlings, How are you all? Sunshine and sunburnt faces, but all is well. Concerts?..Steve Albini�s Shellac are playing this Tuesday lots of noise and such.. "Bowlie 2" is soon to become reality and I have bought tickets :) ..a 4 person chalet, and need two people to share with. There will be plenty of people from Iceland also going but I prefer Sinisterising :) Me and my friend will be travelling from Iceland..we met some of you at the last Bowlie..We had the most wonderful time.. *sigh* I wasn�t sure if I was going to Bowlie 2 but when I saw the line up I *had* to go! (even though there is no B&S..) We�ll bring Icelandic goodies such as Icelandic Brenniv�n(a spirit), Viking Beer,tape compilations and chocolates..For the lucky charing.. (We got blonde hair!!) Ha,ha.. e-mail me privately at : giita at hotmail.com Thank you. XXX Giita @->-- P.S.Sorry Honey for using the list to do this.. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lohammer at xxx.no Sat Jun 5 18:28:41 1999 From: lohammer at xxx.no (Erlend Hammer) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:28:41 +0200 Subject: Sinister: we will take off our clothes Message-ID: <199906051733.TAA01175@online.no> Hi. Do most of you people write your Sinister posts when you're bored? Well, I'm going to do that now so bear with me. I'm not sure if there's anything I have to say so sorry about that. Oh yes. A Spawny Git claimed to have been out drinking and stuff. Yeah right! Methinks he was sitting alone in his bedroom re-watching Blue Velvet for the millionth time. :) A girl (sorry I deleted the post and my memory isn't too good) wrote about her delicious substitute teacher. Don't say that! As I mentioned in my last post I am currently working as a substitute teacher and the thought that all the 12 year-old girls are lusting after me is highly disturbing. I mean, it's bad enough having to deal with the constant giggling and pointing and peculiar looks and I don't need to hear that this sort of thing is actually normal. I have two weeks to go. And another thing, why the hell do I never get this sort of attention from girls my own age? Maybe that's too much to ask. But anyway, if anyone out there is a teacher, how on earth do you deal with this sort of thing on a regular basis? Does anyone here like rap music? Do you listen to that Westwood chap? Is he taking the piss, or is he actually the most hilarious creature ever let loose on worldwide radio? I was accidentally exposed to some of his show last night and he struck me as the sort of person who is probably beaten the shit out of everywhere he goes, what with his "cool" Yankee rap slang and all performed in his slightly stoned English accent. Oh, cool. I just came up with some lovely harmonies for Neutral Milk Hotel's "Holland 1945". I think it's romantic to be in love with a girl who died two decades before one was born. Does that make me sick? That reminds me of John Peel introducing Stereolab the other night, he was talking about his new sexual body donor card. It's not the kind that allows doctors to use your body parts for medical causes. Oh no, this is a card that allows people to shag you once you're dead, if they should have the inclination to do so. This I think is a very tolerant self-sacrifice and as such surely at the forefront of goodness. The card also features a small box to tick if you object to your body being dismembered during the act of naecropheliac (probably wrong spelling, never really learned to spell that word, funny enough) sex. Oh, by the way, if anyone wants to hear that Stereolab session I'll gladly trade copies for something nifty. Whilst I was in the nursery there was a thread about things up the nose. I've never actually stuck anything up my nose, but I remember one time I was eating some extremely spicy tacos when suddenly I choked on some meat and then it went up that secret passage between the throat and the nose so that I had found myself with very, very hot Mexican food coming out of my nose. That was not pleasant, not at all. As for an ideal childhood I think that would have to involve living somewhere in Yorkshire on a farm. When I was younger my favorite TV series used to be All Creatures Great And Small and I thought that whole country practice veterinarian (sp?) thing looked very romantic. Which was probably silly of me as I now can't see anything romantic about having to put little rabbits "to sleep" (when officially the rodent's just off to live with some kid's aunt, in Scotland.) and sticking your entire arm up some randy bull's bum. Okay then, I reckon that's about enough. I'm off to drink all the Martini my younger sister keeps in her closet hiding it from our fanatic teetotaller-parents. Chin chin. Erlend +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Sat Jun 5 14:58:02 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 09:58:02 EDT Subject: Sinister: Paris and Schools Message-ID: <2fd9cc98.248a86ea@aol.com> Hi, Dave told us: << All I really wanted to say was that going to school and having the best or worst time is what makes you into what you are now, and if your happy with yourself now (which I am) then thats all what counts and in some way the treatment that you got at school helped turn you into that. >> But if people have dislike or ignored you all your life, not only at school, but also after (and I'm talking about almost 30 years), and noone ever really showed you that you aren't completely worthless, can it still be possible to be happy with yourself? If it is, can someone please tell me how? Thank you! Antje *if there's one thing that I learned when I was still a child it's to take a hiding* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rwjf1 at xxx.uk Sat Jun 5 12:41:14 1999 From: rwjf1 at xxx.uk (Robert Fisk) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:41:14 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: Sinister: ac acoustics on tuesday? In-Reply-To: <19990605113121.20545.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: > Hello. > Hello > ng...but what are ac acoustics > like these days? - I saw them supporting Placebo about 1-2 years ago and they were fantastic. Go and see them. Robert ___________________________________________ Robert Fisk rwjf1 at ukc.ac.uk Rutherford JCC Comms Sticky Fanzine Editor +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Assistant Head of Music UKC Radio 1350 MW | | Office: 01227 823294 Studio: 01227 823301 Fax:01227 464625 | |Web: http://listen.to/UKCRadio/ E-mail:ukcr at ukc.ac.uk | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Don't forget to listen to the Albino Squirrel Show every Thursday 2-4pm on UKCR. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lyricjunkie at xxx.com Sat Jun 5 20:36:53 1999 From: lyricjunkie at xxx.com (Natasha Rachel) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: we still want more (than anyone can give) Message-ID: <19990605193653.15928.rocketmail@web303.yahoomail.com> On the menu today, Sinisterlanders, we have: things that squeeze into then get dragged out of your subconscious, Calvin and Hobbes, and some football. Mark Casarotto crammed a message with quotable things, the first of which was this: > ...when I was younger (until my early teens, > probably) my idea of an > idyll was to live in a leafy American suburb > with wide roads, driveways, big > detached houses with little verandahs at the > front, And the first image that came into my mind was Tom Hanks' neighbourhood in Big, so then he freaked me out by telling us to imagine none other than- > wee Tom Hanks' neighbourhood > in Big. I think the little green pixies that run the show in everyone's brains (and I mean *everyone's* - there has not yet been a credible report of anyone having escaped them), are cutting corners. It's like the stock exchange in there you know - they're all screaming things like "Buy the Marshmallow Man from Ghostbusters! He has to be dragged out every time someone mentions marshmallows." Evidently they got Tom Hanks' Big neighbourhood at a knockdown price and then unloaded it into lots of our unsuspecting subconciouses. Mark then protested that: > (there is nowhere near enough Calvin & > Hobbes discussion on this > list Which I'm going to second. (Actually I think someone else may have picked that up before me, so I'm going to third it...) The Calvin and Hobbes subject fits in in with something Youn Jong Noh said about ageing dulling your sensitivity, because Calvin and Hobbes always manage to bring back my own Calvin Age years that get tucked away under duller things like - to be topical - exam thoughts, as time passes. Reading Calvin's winter exploits makes me want *my* garden to be covered in snow so I can build snowmen that promt the neighbours to think I should be institutionalised. (Hobbes: Why does he [the snowman] have a hot water bottle on his head? Calvin: He's committing suicide.) Calvin also does a lot to solve the world's overpopulation problem. I wonder what the exact number is of people who have vowed never to have kids because of the risk of them turning out like Calvin. Oh look. Here's a poem about England's performance at Wembley earlier today -- Can We Have Our Ball Back, Please? ------------------ England gave football to the world Who, now they've got the knack, Play it better than we do And won't let us have it back. That was by Gareth Owen, and this email was from Natasha xx _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Sat Jun 5 22:37:39 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 17:37:39 EDT Subject: Sinister: Cecilia the breaker of hearts... Message-ID: <31e8036e.248af2a3@aol.com> I just wanted to thank the infinitely lovely Molly Belinski for sending me the tape of B&S's Bowlie performance. I haven't had a chance to check it out yet but if its half as good as the package was adorable it'll be fantastic! I almost bought some archaic instrument known as a zither today but I had a bunch of questions about tuning/changing strings etc., and the salesman was less than approachable to say the least. Does anyone know anything about them? On the face of it they appear to be of some relation to harps, but they lie horizontal as opposed to standing vertically. They have ALOT of strings and they lie very close together, leading me to reason that they're played with a pick or picks, but I'm probably wrong. If anyone knows anything about these really odd, but great sounding instruments please email me privately so's the list can get on with debating the beauty of Elliott Smith (self-entitled record makes me sniffle) and Jarvis vs. Damon in a steelcage match and whatnot (I'm giving Jarvis the edge here...anyone?). Well, thats that and maybe a little less Steve - who, eventhough the man has disappeared off the earth, still wants to give Gavin Rossdale a good thrashing. PS- Sorry for the semi-violent nature of the posting. I'm actually in quite a jolly mood so I have no idea where the cage matches and thrashings came from. Any psychoanalysts out there care to read a bit deeper into this? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Sat Jun 5 23:02:27 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 18:02:27 EDT Subject: Sinister: fuzzy beings Message-ID: Dear fuzzy beings, I stopped listening to B&S about a week ago because my roommate memorized all the songs and she's not even a big fan. I don't want to bother her. Simultaneously, I want to thank all the lovely folks on the list who have e-mailed me recently. All week I felt as if I've been struck by lightning with confusion. My house had its own version of a Midsummer Night's Dream except I was a crying ball of wet noodles with the "IQ of a pop bead". (sorry, I had to borrow that phrase from Amy Tan). Olympia got claustrophobic and it was nice to look forward to reading all of your posts. Even though this list is getting claustrophobic too.. with the crossover folks from Sexwise who know all my turn-ons and adventures sometimes I wonder if I have enough private life to stand on. >And another thing, why the hell do I never >get this sort of attention from girls my own age? I ask myself the same question. There is a little troublemaker here who brought me a rose to work yesterday and told me all the juicy details of her threesome makeout party. I had a dirty imagination at that age but never got to act that naughty! If I lived in a city I would have been worse, but suburban life really was an effective way of sheltering the kids until we got cars. Love Courtney B +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Taranicole at xxx.com Sun Jun 6 07:57:22 1999 From: Taranicole at xxx.com (Taranicole at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:57:22 EDT Subject: Sinister: sarah cracknell's big crossed eyes Message-ID: Since no one else has beaten me to it, allow me to try and describe the scene at last night's 3rd bi-annual Sin-filled Sinister List San Francisco Roundup~ To be honest, it's all a bit hazy after my third hit off the crack pipe (who says fans are twee, etc etc), but I do recall everyone being very pleasant, interesting and having immensely better taste in music than I. (I STILL cannot understand why one attendee seemed embarrassed to admit to Duran Duran as her first concert?? Go back and listen to "7 and the Ragged Tiger" and you'll find a modern day classic, I guarantee you.) What I *do* clearly remember is this weisenheimer who was sort of lingering near our group and watching, and me innocently chirping, "Are you Sinister?" It didn't take long for this Sherlock to suss us out, and he was all, "pppssshh, wait, lemme guess, are you guys one of them internet groups or somethin? you don't know each other and you're all meeting for the first time right??" and then when asssured he HAD in fact guessed correctly he smugly wandered off... or perhaps I'm just being a bit sensitive here (the crack, remember), but at least that's how it SEEMED to me. Tell me now, is there really this stigma attached to the whole Internet-meeting thing? Cos I kind of thought we as a human species or whatever had gotten past that. I know some people who have even met their fiances over the internet... well i don't actually "know" them, but they're people I've talked to online. (heh, geddit?) Anyway, it sort of rubbed me the wrong way, this fella's attitude... It's not as if you're gonna meet a B&S fan just walking down the street. And you can't just tell just by looking who is a fan and on this here list. Unless of course they have on a t-shirt saying "I'm a fan of belle and sebastian, and I'm on the sinister list too". (Which Jeepster is working on, i hear.) I feel like I'm preaching to the converted here, though... Anyway there was some discussion of a pre-Looper show meet next month, and I'm sure more details will be provided as soon as it's arranged. Ian, darling, tell me how is dear Sarah Crackers holding up in the basement? I have to apologize, because I thought you were making up the whole story. But having just seen Saint Etienne 3 times in the past week, and the show being EXACTLY the f***ing same each time - down to the between song banter - it's clear they've got a robot up there doing all the work. Maybe you should deprive her of food until she writes a new song (or ten) to sing on the next tour, ok? Sassy Genevieve wrote some lovely things... if only I'd known someone with such a good attitude when i was 16, perhaps less time in high school would've been spent sitting and complaining with similarly bitter malcontents, letting Morrissey making it seem ok to feel victimized. Gen, you're brilliant. And one final meaningless comment: This Roolz band you're all so fond of... whenever the name is mentioned one thing comes to my mind, and that one thing is Jesse Camp and the 8th Street Kidz. hmmm.... There's a Real World Marathon to be watched, so i'm off now. livin livin livin la vida loca... tara +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Sun Jun 6 10:27:15 1999 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:27:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Stuart in your eyes Message-ID: What a weird Saturday I had (and I feel I have to share it with all of you, sensitive souls)! After taking breakfast to bed to my significant other for first time, and myself being a female and himself a male, I wondered if that will mean some perilous turning point with Edipic echoes in our relation.I felt extremely lazy the rest of the day and the only productive action I did apart from that first one, it was to buy my dad some Maxwell and Kennedy's extremely posh 'chocolate-as-a-drink' for his birthday after doubting if some Petula Clark's compilation including 26 hits would be more suitable. But he probably has already some PC's collection as he has all the possible 60's British Female singers ones,so I chose the chocolate instead,which is a safe bet with Dad. I also doubted to buy 'My legendary girlfriend'or/and'Ralph's party'. I feel like reading something light and easy to feel identified with. Has anyone some recommendation about these two? To end my day, which was incredingbly short,as I went to bed about 10.30,we watched 'Stars in your eyes'megafinal. Much more enjoyable than Eurovision, at least while the impersonated personae were recognizable to my Spanish eyes. Could someone explain to me who is Anne Murray,for instance?Celine Dion,from Kent,was surely forced to choose this performance because of her nose.But the spanner becoming Chris de Burgh was our favourite: did someone see his 'natural' hair in his everyday images working with a vacuum system in a lab or sort of? He was the genuine spanner-physicist and a huge current of sympathy flooded my heart after seeing that.Would anyone tell me the winner? I was too busy falling asleep to watch the results,but I know my housemate voted for Chris. I read someone went to 'Stars...' casting, wishing to be that night Crash Test Dummies singer, who is totally unknown to the audience of the programme, though I don't know if they allowed him to carry out his longlife dream. Anyone up for Struan? You could even wear silver trousers,that is the more appealing about it.Or perhaps any day we will hear 'And tonite, Isobel Campbell is going to be France Gall'.Then, be ready for pastel-shaded night dresses and 'sorry because my French is bad' in a captivating child-like tone at the end of the song. I would still vote for Chris the Spanner. Love A. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mollerenshaw at xxx.com Sun Jun 6 13:23:11 1999 From: mollerenshaw at xxx.com (Mark Ollerenshaw) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:23:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Mrs Roger Hargreaves indeed Message-ID: <004601beb017$82011d00$8d8bcdc2@ollerenshaw.connect2.co.uk> Hi, Having just graduated from the Sinister Nursery, I thought I'd better post if only to be able to say I've written words read by over 1000 people. A scary thought, indeed. On the subject of books, I'd recommend The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas, in which a guy is wrongfully imprisoned for years and then escapes and wreaks revenge over about eleven hundred pages. It's very good, though, take my word for it (if a bit of a commitment...). Also, Mr Strong by Roger Hargreaves - in my opinion the best of the Mr Men books. Watch out for the twist at the end, though - it took me by suprise. Someone asked a while back whether Roger Hargreaves was a woman, but being in nursery limbo, I was unable to reply - I can confirm, however, that Roger Hargreaves was a woman, or at least a bit confused. (S)he's listed on the publishing history page as Mrs Roger Hargreaves. So there you go. I don't think I've ever inserted anything of interest up my nose, although when I was a child I almost choked on an Aniseed ball, to which I now have a terrible aversion - who can blame me, though - the little bastard almost killed me... My sister has a hamster called Colin, for what that's worth - not a very fishy name, though, I have to admit. Mind you, at primary school the class goldfish were called Zippy and Zappy - the results of a "First out of the Hat" style draw. They only lasted a term or two, though - my friend took them home for the Easter holiday and managed to kill them - by neglect or abuse we never found out. The line in Seymour Stein definitely goes "Has he ever seen Dundee?", not "North of Scotland has he seen?" as written in the lyric sheet. Also, the line in the lyric sheet at the end of that verse goes "Seymour bring her back to me" but is sung "Seymour send her back to me" which conveys a completely different meaning, if you can be bothered to work it out - I can't, though, due to the amount of revision I ought to be doing for my A levels this summer. Do bands/record labels deliberately change the lyrics in the CD book bit to keep fans on their toes? I think we should be told. Anyway, that's enough of that. Maybe I ought to go and do something constructive... Apologies for anything I've discussed which was cleared up ages ago - I have a backlog of 210 Sinister messages taking up space in my Inbox which I just don't have time to read - it's not that I'm lazy in particular, just overworked, that's all. Mark Ollerenshaw PS: I'm curious - am I the only person who rates Subcircus? They released an album a few years back, did a session or two for Mark & Lard on their (much missed) Graveyard slot and then vanished into thin air, so to speak. I now get the feeling that I'm the only person that bought their album (Carousel, which is actually very good) and they gave the whole music lark up, bitter and cynical indviduals. "Keeping an open mind is a virtue - but not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Snowinsumr at xxx.com Sun Jun 6 14:05:27 1999 From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:05:27 EDT Subject: Sinister: duran2 Message-ID: <64735bf5.248bcc17@aol.com> In a message dated 6/6/1999 12:00:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Taranicole at aol.com writes: << (I STILL cannot understand why one attendee seemed embarrassed to admit to Duran Duran as her first concert?? Go back and listen to "7 and the Ragged Tiger" and you'll find amodern day classic, I guarantee you.) >> my first concert was duran duran...my father took me...it's a nice memory...i agree that she shouldn't be embarrassed....my favorite song is "serious" from the liberty album...or maybe "secret oktober" which is the b-side to "union of the snake"... :) shy hugs... meganelise +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mariannebratlie at xxx.com Sun Jun 6 14:43:06 1999 From: mariannebratlie at xxx.com (Marianne Bratlie) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 06:43:06 PDT Subject: Sinister: mtv UK Message-ID: <19990606134307.70677.qmail@hotmail.com> katrina wrote... > >well, as I mentioned a week ago, 'Alternative Nation' on MTV UK will be >presenting a Belle & Sebastian special on Tuesday 29th June...." ..being a scandinavian there is no chance for me to get to see this, unless, if.. a) I go to the UK, and rent a tv ... b) one of you kind sinister souls tape it for me, and send it to Norway, where I then will be the most happy girl in the world, (I will pay the costs, send you the casette, whatever you want me to...) e-mail me privatly if you are my rescuing angel, I will be crossing my fingers while I`m waiting. Thankyou!! Marianne > +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Sun Jun 6 17:32:22 1999 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:32:22 -0400 Subject: Sinister: another pathetic school story Message-ID: <000101beb046$3418ea80$b51e05d1@oemcomputer> i'm a little foggy from an extreme night out, so you'll have to bear with me. i've got to write an essay and a scientific report in this state, so if anyone takes pity on me and would like to send me anything that falls into either of these two categories, that would be appreciated. about school: i never had an easy time in school. when i was really young, up until about age 10, i was The Bully, which meant that nobody wanted me on their team, nobody would work with me in class, and nobody came near me at recess. which i guess was really fine because i was a miserable kid anyways, but it's left me with a school record thicker than my arm and only one memory of a sleepover. i didn't have any friends and i never once thought that suburban life was idyllic. i discovered music in a big way once i entered junior high, there was a boy i had a crush on that gave me a tape of the cure and i was instantly obsessed. this led to me spiking my hair a la robert smith, wearing loads of black eyeliner and being beat up and thrown against lockers because i was different and strange. thank goodness i grew out of that by the time i got to highschool (although i still hold the cure in a fond place in my heart). oh, i was also a riot grrl during junior high and the earlier parts of highschool which didn't make me any friends because nobody knew what it was. it just scared them. i made a couple friends in highschool...mostly boys, the two girl friends that i had later went on to sleep with my boyfriend, who ironically was horribly jealous of any of my male friends. i got into more indie music, like dinosaur and pavement and the pixies and stereolab, but nobody knew who they were. which doesn't really matter, but it's so nice to be able to share good music with other people. i later found out that people thought i had this amazingly cool life because i wrote record reviews and put out a zine and went to concerts and got paid to take photos of bands. which i guess sounds cool in retrospect, but i was doing all this stuff by myself (well, the possessive boyfriend went to concerts with me to prevent me talking to other people) and still didn't have anyone to eat lunch with or hang out with if class was cancelled. music was really the thing that saved me...kids can really be cruel over the smallest differences, and although my mother maintains that "you would have had friends if you didn't listen to that strange music", i don't think that's the case at all. i've never really fit in, even when i was little i didn't have friends that i played with or could invite to my birthday party...as a matter of fact, i haven't had a birthday party since i was 5. but from when i was really young, i learned that it's easier to pretend that you don't care, and if you do it long enough you end up cold and really not caring at all. yeah, i was completely evil in grade school, but in highschool i was just quiet and kept to myself, which was likely the result of being beat up for saying anything. it's only recently that i've had friends that i can talk to, people that i can tell about good bands and that can tell me about good bands and that i can phone for no reason. i've never had a saved by the bell or degrassi existence. my life right now is the closest i've come to that, and it's still not at all what we're meant to believe is the way things should be. oh dear, i'm hungover and feel quite shit at the moment, which i'm sure you can tell by reading this. congratulations if you've made it this far. my belle and sebastian content is that i've made more good friends because of this band than i've had in my whole life. love, jessicaxo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From juliesque at xxx.com Sun Jun 6 20:02:19 1999 From: juliesque at xxx.com (Julie Smith) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Girls and Boys together Message-ID: <19990606190219.11820.rocketmail@web124.yahoomail.com> (once upon a time) So I was a bit nervous about showing up for the San Francisco picnic-in-a-bar because I'd heard from other Sinisterines that the attendance record in the past was less than purrr-fect. Mainly, no people showing up at all. But, in my curiousity to meet some of these people I decided to chance it. Just my luck, I was the first one there and since we hadn't given very good descriptions (except Tara, who was very explicit) I was stuck standing by the wall in a very crowded bar,looking around for other lost-looking people who arrived by themselves. I went up to one girl and said, lamely, 'Are you looking for people you know? Or people you don't know?' She was very nice about it, but I must have looked like an ass. After that experience, I just smiled brightly at anyone solo coming in, and the bouncer/check ID guy must have thought I was picking up tricks or something. After what seemed like hours (and was probably twenty minutes) I got a smile which answered my own from a girl who interestingly enough, I had always thought was male (from her posts, not her looks of course). And then suddenly, more people came out of the woodwork, and it became what I hoped it would be-- interesting people talking about Belle and Sebastian, music, bowlie, and even at one point, thanks to Youn, linguistics. So the rest of you Bay Area kids, try to come to the next meeting (probably before Looper, I'd imagine) we really won't bite! Julie _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Sun Jun 6 23:49:07 1999 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:49:07 +0200 Subject: Sinister: fratboy ahead Message-ID: <199906062250.AAA06735@front3.grolier.fr> Bonsoir list. I did not quite succeed in being the first to admit to being in a "greek system", but at least the first who is in a fraternity.. not that I'm proud now.. Well I have to say it's maybe a bit different for me, as I am in a german fraternity and not in an american one, and if all that has been said about the "greek system" is true, then it's quite similar in some respects, but very different in others. I'll start with the similaritties, because that's shorter. We also like to have parties, and the music at those parties is not exactly high art. But we do not have ugly rituals for being accepted, and no one of us pays for coming in. What a hilarious idea really! Another major difference is that being in a fraternity is not common at all; there is not a majority of "fratboys", but a very very vast minority: at the german university I've been (Cologne), there were about 500 in a total of 60,000. Sororities exist, but they are so few that I've never seen a real sorority "sister" until now... So, if anything, it's us who get bullied and not the other way around. As for the thing that fratboys are all stupid jocks, I can agree to the sinister sorority girl: I've met lots of stupid and narrow-minded people through the fraternity, and I've met lots of wonderful people as well. You can't categorize this, and while I believe all of you when you say that most of the american fratboys are just horrible (I'm noticing a severe lack of abuse language in my vocabulary here :), I think it's mostly due to the fact that they are so many... and the majority is mostly dumb. I doubt those people would be much better outside of a fraternity. But, on the subject of horrible fraternities, I should not pass under silence that the most hateable species of fraternities also stems from Germany: it's those who have fencing-dueling tournaments against each other with the obejctive of getting cuts in the face which leave scars... the scars being something you're supposed to be proud of as a sign that you're particularly courageous... I won't even try to explain that kind of thing, because I don't understand it myself. What's more, many of those fraternities are known to be meeting points of the extreme-right, neo-nazi scene. It's a real problem for all german fraternities, because everyone thinks they are all like that and think you're a racist when you say that you are in a fraternity. And I am not, believe me... besides a few of my fraternity brothers are members of the socialist party. And as for homophobic, well... a majority of them are gay, so that's not really an issue either ;) So why did I go there myself, you might be asking. Am I such a saddo that I could not find friends otherwise? Please ask, because I want to answer. Never mind, I'll answer anyway. Well I met some of my best friends there, and a few of them are people who I would have had no chance to meet otherwise, because they are living in completely different worlds, so to say. And that's interesting. And there's a certain atmosphere to a fraternity ( at least to the one I am in), that might be hard to describe to someone who has not experienced it. It's different whether you are friends with someone, even a very good friend, or if you call him "brother" and know that you've got a bond with him that will last a lifetime... I'm not sure if it would feel anything like that in an american frat, though.. maybe in some.. but I certainly would have trouble feeling at ease in a community where you had to pay for and that tortured you before they let you in. And, just for the record, I'd like to point out that I have indeed friends out of the fraternity. More than inside, that is. This just to say that not all fraternities are *evil*... sorry for my english. It's a little bit too poor to express complicated things like that. I wanted to say something about bullying as well, but it's so late now already.. well I'll try to keep it short. I can not say I have been bullied, but I was an outsider all the time. I started out being extremely shy in the first years of school, keeping to myself most of the time and having next-to-no friends, and reading unreasonable amounts... the first thing that saved me was literature, and I was extremely lucky to have a library directly inside the school that had got all of the German ( and also some foreign) literature. So instead of spending the breaks with my classmates and having the kind of fun you're supposed to have at that age, I spend them all in the library, reading. In fact, if I remember well, I spend all my time between 14 and about 18 doing nothing much else than reading... Of course I wanted to become a writer... I still do, though I'm afraid it might be more difficult than I first thought... And listened only to classical music until about 16 (Ah, Berlioz! listen to Hector Berlioz. Pure wild emotion.) Finally I got some friends, all boys, computer nerds, we had good fun together, none of us ever saw a girl from nearer than arm-length... In the last years in school, I got a little bit more self-confident, although just a little.. it was then that I discovered pop music. This is something that has to be said in favour of MTV, by the way, because it was through them that I got to know pop music. Of course it was a long way to go until there was really good music, but it was a start. And, might I say to the younger ones among us, there once was a time, long ago and far away, when MTV was not all that bad. Bad, but not *that* bad. Suede was my first revelation in pop music. From Beethoven to Suede... They were my second life-saver after the books, so to say. Maybe you get an impression of the situation I was in when I say that there was no one in my entire year who had ever heard of them. I mean, Suede. I don't expect anyone to know B&S... Didn't I say somewhere up there I wanted to keep it short? Ok, now I will. Let's just skip 5 years. Where do we find our hero? depressed, lovelorn, suicidal? Not really. I don't really know how it came about, if I knew I would tell you so you can all do the same, but I got much more self-confident once I had started university; seems to be something that happened to quite a few of you. I've found friends, people with whom I can talk about everything, I can make compliments to girls so that they blush and not me, I live in a wonderful city, far away from home, with an adorable girl... and, quite a good example that jessica had, I had a birthday party for my 24th.. the first one since I was 12 or so. It's very strange, come to think of it. And, after all, I do not regret not having spent my youth at parties. The general culture and knowlegde I got in this years is something for life; I've even noticed, a disadvantage of having a life, that I hardly read good literature any more, due to lack of time.. Have you noticed just how many famous people have similar stories about their youth to what you've all told? The only example I have in mind right now is Uma Thurman, who said everyone mocked her ugliness when she was young, but I know there are many others. Strange if you think that many of the so-called "cool" would have bullied their idols if they had been in class with them... My theory is that if you have been an outsider at the school, you become more self-critical as an adult, and that might lead you to be more open-minded and also more tolerant than those who always heard they were the best and therefore never see the need question anything and to improve as a person. That's not to say that we, the "different" ones, are better, but... if you have to go through all this hardship in school, I do believe that there is something good in this. should I become a preacher? I better stop now until I heal the world. bonne nuit. Jan The Dark Site of the Moon: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/index.html Tindersticks page: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/tinderpage/tinder.html To love oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance. -Oscar Wilde +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk Mon Jun 7 08:20:39 1999 From: Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk (Sarah Wheeler) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 08:20:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: That joke isn't funny anymore Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990607082039.006aa584@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk> Hey folks I went to see "Citizen Kane" yesterday. So did Stevie Jackson and his bit of stuff. They sat nearby and I saw him do that trick with the popcorn bucket where you make a hole in the bottom and stick your finger up it, and then offer the popcorn to your friend[1]. She got an awful fright. I hope it was his finger he stuck up it, although he did seem to get considerably more pleasure from this gag than would have seemed normal. Then during the film when Kane's second wife was guessing what silhouette animals Kane was making, Stevie kept shouting out the answers[2]. Honestly, what a pest. It was a good film, but Rosebud's identity was crap. I think it very strange if a weekend goes by now, and I don't happen to come across a Belle. But really, can they make it a little less obvious, or I'm gonna go for a big appearance change. Okay, tune in next week for the latest "Stalked Sarah Scenario". Lots of love Sheeny Sarah x [1] and [2] are complete fabrication. In fact, all Stevie did was put on a nice pair of glasses and settle back and watch the screen. Boooooooring. ======================= Sarah Wheeler Room 106 West Medical Building University of Glasgow GLASGOW G12 8QQ 0141-339 8855 ext.0860/0640 ======================= +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Mon Jun 7 10:58:15 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:58:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: FW: if you live at home with your mama, oh yes son, i'm a talkin' to you.... Message-ID: <01BEB0D7.611CFEE0.p.cullen@music-control.com> genevieve says she does dishes. geeeeneviiieeeve, do you want to be in ooouuuuurrrr chalet? we had the Dirtiest Chalet Ever Invented (TM) at bowlie so i'm reckoning we could use someone like you :) we've only booked a 4-sleeper but you can have my bed if you "come up wiv' da goods" :) its a bank holiday in ireland and i'm in work (booo, hiss :( ) but i drank so much last night im still drunk (yay, ra-ra! :)) last night i had one of the most bizarre experiences of my recent career. myself and my mother downed 2 bottles of wine and a bottle of brandy between us (boooze!!!!! yeeeaaahh!!!!) and danced around our living room to the sweet strains of northern soul. we talked about boys, drugs and scooters. it was nice. by the way, i fell off the same chair 4 times on friday night. drink had been taken, needless to say........ paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! **************************aaaiiiiiieeeeee!!!!!!!! - manda rin ************************* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Mon Jun 7 12:31:17 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:31:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: ooooh maaaatron!!! Message-ID: <01BEB0E1.A3A9D8A0.p.cullen@music-control.com> having just read my earlier post, i have to stress that there was no sauce intended by the "you can have my bed, genevieve" comment. i didn't mean while i was in it...... just so you know..... paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rehakk at xxx.edu Mon Jun 7 13:17:47 1999 From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: The cigarettes make it more sinister still. Message-ID: good morning you lot! that subject line is plagarized, so i must give due credit to john updike because, well, he's the one who wrote it. it's a sentence in the very beginning of "rabbit, run" which i am reading right now (well, not at this very moment but, well...) incidentally, i've only started the book--i think i am on page 20 or something, but that's with small print and everything--but i really like. and i guess that that quote relates to me in some way because i just came back from having a morning sneak o' the ciggy (a mint nat s!) i just saw (in the bathroom after the cigarette) that i had a bloody nose last night. it was really faint, dried, crusty (ew, sorry), etc. because i literally rolled out of bed, grunted a few times, put on the clothing i had yesterday (including my cute new shoes), and stumbled out the door--never once looking in the mirror. maybe i knocked myself in my sleep (i'm v. self-abrasive). but i just thought that that was rather odd considering that the last (and first) time i had a bloody nose was in ninth grade when i went to the bathroom to escape geometry class. anyway, i DID have a reason for posting and acting as a litter bug to all those 1100+ inboxes... oh yes, i believe it was the adored lesley jo who suggested that b&s have a gig at the warhol here in pittsburgh. and i say "yeah, what a wonderful idea": and if the don't readily relent, then let's tie them up, give them a little bloody nose and force them too! wow, i'm not really that violent (actually i abhor violence). but i DO tend to get a bit obsessive about things so maybe that's the reason for that sudden outburst. on the subject of fraternities/sororities, at my school, they actually formed from these debating societies of the school (i had to write an article about that). but it really depends on the person. yes, i don't understand why people would pay to be part of a group like that but i understand that some people just *like* it. i know that my mum joined a sorority because she had no friends who were female. i also know a seemingly friend of mine who joined a fraternity and then stopped talking to me and avoided eye contact. but i also have a friend who became much nicer to me after he joined one (though he wouldn't take me to their formals--when he needed a date and i said i would go with him he laughed at me). so the majority are like that, but there are some lovely exceptions. anyway, here i could add all my troubling years of growing up without friends (sadly, unlike jessicaxo, with only bad top40 music until a few years back) but i'll go now instead. i think my nose may be bleeding again, KIMberry xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Mon Jun 7 14:15:41 1999 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (Marie Elia) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 06:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: in the middle of the stage there's a girl and a guitar Message-ID: <19990607131541.29347.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com> goodmorning, listerines. oooh, my first time posting from work! how sinister. it's b/c my train got me in supa early today, so no one is about on my floor just yet... grrr -- i saw Notting Hill over the weekend. i like hugh grant quite a bit, but i don't like julia roberts, and i think i was expecting a cross between "four weddings..." and "sliding doors" ... and that is Not what i got. ah, well... aarrghhhh! i move to end the fraternity/sorority system rubbish from permissable list discussion! by speaking of it, you give it more power. okay, that's all i have to say about that. i tried to introduce a friend to b&s this weekend. in fact, he Requested that i play some for him... but, alas! he usurped the cd player and made me listen to nsync and backwash -- erm, backstreet -- boys instead. he then kicked in with, you Don't like whitney houston???? incredulous. *sigh* i tried, friends, i tried. but what power hath a littleknown folkpop group over the juggernaut that is really bad dance music? hey, any nyc/area listees going to see Joan of Arc on june 26?? want to meet up with me? i'm afraid i'm doing it solo thus far, and i'm a bit nervous... take care, (and kisskiss! to poor miss kimmy of the bloody nose), xoxo, ree _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Mon Jun 7 14:25:32 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:25:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: pitter-patterings and the occasional spurt Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E226E736C@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Erlend wrote: the thought that all the 12 year-old girls are lusting after me is highly disturbing Are you sure disturbing is the word, Erlend? Many on this list would give their early Felt 10 inch (ahem) to be in this position - you know who you are... BeN mentioned AC Acoustics, and asked if they were any good. Not at football they ain't! hahahahahah! Etc. Still, if anyone wants to talk about Senseless Things, boy, do I have some stories to tell...hang on, no I don't, heavens mark, get a grip! Natasha was nice about me. I feel all warm now :) Props (I like it, I don't know what it means, but I like it) to the Sinisterines who came to the Oxford picnic, even though most of them didn't seem to be on Sinister at all. Apologies to Enthusiastic Pamela Hutchinson (and her neighbours), who we kept up till god knows when singing B&S songs (of course) and getting far, far drunker than was decent. Or that may have been just me. David's e-free mail (just say no, kids) reminded me of that French bloke what wrote a whole book using only the vowel e, and then got bored and wrote a whole book with all the vowels but e. Bet he got picked on at school too. Kevan Cooke is a shady, shady man. Full of surprises. Just to make myself seem even more appealing, I went jogging on Saturday morning. Physical exercise doesn't get a lot of press on this list, partly thanks to Honey's Stalinist attitude to footie conversation (put "World Cup" into the Sinister search engine and marvel at the fact that it *never happened*. No, really :) But I actually did it, much to my surprise, as did Miss Vicky, and my legs only feel slightly agonisingly painful two days later. Exercise is the new rock and roll, kids! You can tell I have nothing to say. When I have something to say, I write long paragraphs. Lucky escape, I reckon :) Everyone in and around London must come to Upstairs at the Garage this Friday night. I'll get me coat. Markx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Mon Jun 7 14:44:28 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:44:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: if you judge the book by the cover, then you judge the look by the lover Message-ID: <01BEB0F4.3F8F0940.p.cullen@music-control.com> nobody will sit beside me in work today, cos they say i smell of booze. one girl said i smelt like her uncle. pah! paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elizabeth.daplyn at xxx.uk Mon Jun 7 10:33:29 1999 From: elizabeth.daplyn at xxx.uk (Elizabeth Daplyn) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:33:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: up the bum sex (in Oxenford town) Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From pbelinsk at xxx.net Mon Jun 7 15:52:10 1999 From: pbelinsk at xxx.net (molly) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 10:52:10 -0400 Subject: Sinister: we will take off our clothes/monday poem In-Reply-To: <199906051733.TAA01175@online.no> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990607105210.007adda0@northernway.net> At 07:28 PM 6/5/99 +0200, Erlend Hammer wrote: >one time I was eating some extremely >spicy tacos when suddenly I choked on some meat and then it went up that secret passage >between the throat and the nose so that I had found myself with very, very hot Mexican >food coming out of my nose. That was not pleasant, not at all. I just have to say that this happened to me. And, God (and stoo and ummm some other people) as my witness, the night before Erland shared his story I told mine. THE CHANCES?? I've been in a stupor ever since I read about your taco misfortune Erland. Except mine was a burrito instead of a taco. I was laughing at something and I choked it the wrong way. As of right now there is no Monday poem. So I am going to sneak off with the parrot, give him a bath, and arrange his feathers just how I want to and send him on his way again. I hope I'm allowed to do that. it's a little bit long but I can't see it not holding anyone's interest. (I'm really really really hoping that I didn't steal the parrot from someone else today. Sorry if I did) here it is: I steal pencils on my way down here tonight I stole a package of pencils. at the time, I didn’t even notice that I stole them but when I got here, the pencils were right there in my hand I stole them, not because I wanted to but because I must. pencils have their own kind of magic powers in them and they have always been too compelling for me to resist some people say I steal them because I’m a kleptomaniac that would be people like my therapist and the dear lady who orders all the office supplies where I work poor Donna, just like the others, she does not understand my motives are much less sinister than she imagines I steal the pencils to help release the words that they contain every pencil ever made contains hundreds or thousands of words and those words deserve their freedom,the freedom only paper can bring I steal pencils because they contain the words of every poem I will ever write and to rescue them from becoming quadratic equations or even more disgusting poorly spelled graffiti on yet another ten coats of paint thick truckstop bathroom wall tales of the world’s best blow job that never really exists and God knows that we have too many truckstop bathroom walls and too many imaginary blow jobs I like the kind of pencils that you find in the library short, with no eraser, and lead so dark it can be read from the other side of the paper with little effort the kind of pencil that makes a permanent mark on the margins of the page when you are trying to rewrite a poem that was started three years ago but set aside until the right pencil came along to release the final version that is until yet another pencil crosses out the last four words and you banish the page for another six months when I find the a stub of a pencil, I get excited because now I can release one or two of the poems that otherwise would never have seen a scrap of paper but instead would have ended up as someone’s phone number thrown away or washed in the pocket of a pair of jeans just causing accusations of lying or playing head games mechanical pencils have their place but they will never replace a Trusty number two with distinct teeth marks of frustration and contemplation placed there between scattered thoughts of never finishing that simple sonnet or the final edit of a seventy five page rambling that you know will never be heard by anyone except the drunks who try to sleep in the ally when you’re up on the roof spouting out the latest outrage at three A M I would never steal a ball point, or the higher class fountain pen your Waterman, Cross, and Bic disposables are safe so the people at Barnes and Noble can relax and stop following me from aisle to aisle My prize is the second hand pencil removed from your desk and never missed until all the other writing utensils are also missing and your only hope is the pencil, now in my possession I steal pencils because I never have found anything else in this world more valuable to steal. Bekif © 1997 bekif is my friend and he is very nice. I didn't ask him first because I think he went to italy. umm... sorry for such a bland letter molly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bkim0 at xxx.edu Mon Jun 7 16:08:41 1999 From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Superstar in your own porno movie, I wanted just a minor part... Message-ID: <199906071508.LAA109736@dept.english.upenn.edu> Frats...sororities...Greeks, just another subculture of the mainstream with organization, dues and housing facilities. Yet America is filled with movies about the misfit frat (you know, consisting of members that would never be in the other frats) somehow rising up and dominating the other more typically preppy insidious frats. That this usually never happens in real life is the first earthshaking revelation of mine. In a way it's a microcosm of real life. Some choose to hang with people who need to be impressed by you in order to accept you, no matter how much/little money you might have. It's all about isolating yourself into smaller and smaller subsets as you grow up. Which route you choose depends. In college I associated with one frat in particular though...they were the "anti-frat," i.e. yes technically they were a fraternity but they were the "misfit frat" like in the movies, only with more drugs and musicians and long hair and that kind of stuff. Not really sure what the point was--just seemed to re-affirm in some weird way the "conformity of non-conformists" if you catch my drift. But they were happy in their weirdness and anti-establishmentarianism. One could argue that the indie scene and its various subgroups are a kind of frat/sorority. You got your look, your uniform. You got your dues (i.e.Tigermilk, all the right/newest albums, tickets to shows, etc.). You got your initiation rites (past as riot grrl/punk boy, listening to a mixtape, making the mixtape, making your own zine, having a band, knowing someone in a band, dj-ing, knowing someone who dj's, knowledge of obscure bands if only by name, etc.). You got your snobbery (say against people who, when asked what kind of music they listen to, say "I like everything really!" when they mean everything on VH-1). It's just a different consumer culture we celebrate, that of the little guy/girl trying to make it (thrift stores, indie labels, your friend's band, etc.) rather than the monster truck corporation ruling the world (band playing the local Enormodome, J. Crew, Drakkar Noir, etc.). Not that I'm arguing that. I'm just sayin', someone could say that.:) In other news, has anyone experienced the radio format of Jammin' Oldies/Gold? Here in Philly one of our modern-rock stations (which in itself seems to be a dying format, oh well), 95.7, just switched to this format. It's great, '60s/'70s/'80s soul and R&B music. Unfortunately at the moment there is only a robot running the station (no human DJ's), so while that does mean more rock and less talk, there has also been a little too much "Night Fever" for my taste. Ditto with Donna Summer. I only heard "I'm Coming Out" once so far darn it! (Apparently the old DJ's were told 15 minutes before the format change that their jobs were null and void...that kinda sucks for them, but radio format changes always seem to be like that. Whoosh it's gone) But in principle it's the best thing since...the Philly sound, really, and you have to wonder why it went out of style. The oldies stations do their part in playing that stuff but sometimes you just want nonstop soul and upbeat R&B, back when it was exciting and not the flaccid "R&B" we know today. A friend of mine pointed out that the popularity of this format across the nation might wake people up to the fact that there has been very little good R&B for the past fifteen years... Keep on doin' it, Xavier BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0 at dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Mon Jun 7 16:13:43 1999 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: is that fratboy up your ass or are you just happy to see me? Message-ID: oh my, so much talking. i think that the fratboy thing is probably something that is certainly seperated from b&s. some people are good and some are bad, some want to be in frats and some don't. all groups will have assholes and nice people. it's the same thing over and over. there are definitely problems with the american public school system. and i find that in a great many places, not just school, there is little tolerance for people who have different ideas and tastes from the norm. i found that life got much better when i learned not to give a shit. mind you, it took awhile, and sometimes i relapse, but i find it very helpful overall. er, alright, that had nothing to do with anything. i'm sure i got negative miller points on that one. about a year or so ago there was an article in vanity fair written by a woman who had had a relationship with jd salinger when she was 17 and he was in his early 40s. it's an interesting article. i'm of the sort that enjoyed catcher in the rye, but i tend to think he's overrated as a cultural icon. but then, he's one of those people where people don't just like his books, they tend to LOVE his books, and they tend to fixate on them and forget to read other books. and they tend to annoy me until i want to beat them. on bomb threats, the other middle school in my town used to receive bomb threats all the time. you see, when a school receives a bomb threat, the state law makes it pretty much mandatory to not have school for the day, as everyone needs to get way far away and stay outside while it was thoroughly searched. it seems that these threats often coincided with test days. there were never any actual bombs found. my recent project has involved attempting to cultivate marketable skills. it's not working very well. xoxo megan mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu who are magnetic fields? http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/ updated 4/26/99 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bkim0 at xxx.edu Mon Jun 7 16:57:21 1999 From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: dont want acceptance, dont want tradition Message-ID: <199906071557.LAA90956@dept.english.upenn.edu> erika balsom wrote: well, i'm not american, but my (canadian) high school has been compared to a bad american sitcom many, many times. not only do we have completely segregated cliques of people, but there are also names put on the places Hey! If you were Canadian, couldn't your high school also be compared to DeGrassi as well?:) Although that might be a bad comparison--most kids I knew who watched it loved the show and thought it was actually good. Very fascinating to read Mark C's dream of living in an American suburb. Yeah, it was kind of idyllic, but then again, when you live like that, there's no need to confront any views on race or class really. I lived in a place where everyone had a boat on the lake (man-made lakes for my subdivision, yeesh). And it's funny...money has a way of erasing racial barriers. If everyone's just as rich, everyone's pretty happy and harmonious together. Kinda. We weren't as rich as the other kids which meant we had no boat of our own, we had no scooters (before driving age many kids zipped around in scooter gangs, though they weren't mods by any means), we had no Nintendos, shit like that. It wasn't the worst thing in the world but it was still strange to live in a place like that. And my high school saga: well, I started out in life (middle school I guess is where the hard-line divisions start to form) as a preppy, hanging out with the popular kids, wearing my boat shoes with no socks and wearing shirts with their brand names (very important then!) emblazoned across them: Coca-Cola (remember their awful clothes anyone?), Bennetton, etc. etc. Then I gradually drifted to the indiekid thing--my first show was quite punk rock, Naked Raygun, so much slam dancing (back when that's what it was still called...I sound like a fogey don't I?) but maintained "ties" (sounds so diplomatic doesn't it) with the "popular kids" (not to be confused with popkids) and also knew some metalheads, and the misfits who were into metal and D&D and kung fu movies and whatnot but looked slightly more clean-cut. Come to think of it they could've been our own Trenchcoat Mafia but without the Nazi bullshit. My musical obsessions in high school went thusly: Beatles, Led Zeppelin (I never got long hair and distinctly remember walking around high school inwardly sneering at the longhairs wearing their Zep t-shirts and thinking "I bet I know more about Led Zeppelin than they do...they probably can't even play Jimmy Page's guitar parts!"), Smiths/REM and then onto full-blown "college rock" stuff. So I never really had to experience full-on outsiderdom, I could float between various factions and have a satisfactory-to-great time. Unfortunately high school is a bad time for making friends and having romantic relationships. Unless you fraternize outside of h.s. you are really stuck with whatever you have there. So you might have to endure crushes on people you really have nothing in common with and maybe (realistically, this isn't John Hughes here!) never have a chance with. Real life is better... Xavier BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0 at dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Mon Jun 7 18:31:18 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:31:18 -0700 Subject: Sinister: me and my madness Message-ID: <000f01beb10b$8e8cc7a0$1211020a@rebelstrange> Everdelectable Arantxa: .'And tonite, Isobel Campbell is going to be France Gall'.Then, be ready for pastel-shaded night dresses and 'sorry because my French is bad' in a captivating child-like tone at the end of the song. ooh baby you know just what i like!! hey--maybe i should think up some UH b/s wallpapers of my own. i'd offer them on my site. well i guess if you wanted you could just steal them off my page anyway, but i'd feel mor especial if i had a nice zip file. OH yes. soon i'm going to have to update the infamous Wee World. AND i'll have a couple B&S themed FONTS that i'll let anyone have for free if they're willing to put up with my incompetence. i'm working on this for v. 3.0 of my homepage. Yeah! "Mark Ollerenshaw" says: Also, Mr Strong by Roger Hargreaves - in my opinion the best of the Mr Men books. Watch out for the twist at the end, though - it took me by suprise. thank you mark for my second big laugh of the day. the only Mr/mis book i have is Little Miss Wise. from which i will now quote at the terrible risk of unleashing another Fraggle upon the list. Be warned. "Mr. Nonsense's airplane doesn't have any wings, an engine, or even wheels. It's just a doormat! have you ever heard of such nonsense?" ...Where's Wee Stwuan when we need him? i'd like to thank MarkCasarotto for bringing up th Faith Healers. it reminded me of the little blue vinyl promo seveninch i had bought in Pittsburgh and forgotten. "Oh Baby"/"My Loser". it was fun as always. i never knew why i liked the faith healers, i just dooooo. i must admit i should listen to Lido more often. i got Imaginary Friend first, so i had more time to get used to it. I like the spaciness though. MMMMM Bowlie two: Stereolab, Laika.....DROOL........ you all have fun then will you?? there are some cute girls in stereolab. Yeah baby! HEY Christa. MagneticStephinandClaudiaFields bulletin has been received and processed duly. STAND BY for details.......... *drool* Who wants to join my revolution? write and let me know. i need dedicated foot soldiers. YAYY.... i can't wait to go off to the big big city. SW look out. turns out my road trip will pas thru Albuquerque, Oklahoma city, Flagstaff, and the panhandle of Texas. it's too bad we should be zipping by at warp speed so i can make residence hall check in. otherwise i'd stop anywhere sinister and yell "where's the party?" Do the Gentle Waves have a video?? boo. i wish i had MTV uk, or europe or whatever. so recently i saw Beth Ortons' video was directed by Hal Hartley. so is stuart gonna ax him to direct a b/s video as well?? has anyone seen hal hartley movies? i haven't cos i never watch movies. but if someone could fix me up wiht the Book of Life i'd be ever so faithful to your dark biddings. there are people i need to write. i'll be there soon. it's just i have everything on earth going on in my mind right now and it's MADNESS!!! dirty dreams about art girl have been keeping me up nights and leaving little else on the brain except for my thoughts of e s c a p e . . . if i were napoleon, you could be my josephine. if i were sebastian, you would be my belle. LJ http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange they were like those gauche youths who turn up to house parties only to cling to the dark corners in chaste disdain, driven by the naive, vaguely inhuman conviction that all merriment is a lie. SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Mon Jun 7 16:25:09 1999 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:25:09 +0000 Subject: Sinister: any good books that fit in trouser pockets? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990607152509.006c44d8@ampsys.co.uk> Hello, Today is a good day. Wake up with a hangover and tired and get a brief taste of what life must be like for the beer stinker Paula Booze Explosion... and on a school night too! Then in my drowsy state realise both the Pavement and Dr Robert albums are out today. Hurrah! Then I get an E-mail at work asking if I want tickets to see The Super Furries. Hurrah! Then I get a phonecall saying my All Tomorrow's Parties chalet is booked. Thrice Hurrah! Admittedly my ticket currently costs £210 as there's only two of us but it all works out in the end doesn't it? This unhealthy optimism surely can't last. Maybe I'll do something really daring today like talk to someone on the bus home. Maybe not... And a big "Hi!" to Kimberley. I'm too am reading "Rabbit, Run" at the moment and enjoying it a lot. Though ,unfortunately, I can't think of anything witty of intelligent to elaborate upon this and it would probably be annoying if I mention anything after page 20... Oh and Salinger's "Laughing Man" is a fantastic short story too so I'll agree with whoever said it was. Sorry I'm too lazy to look. Nine Stories is brilliant, particularly because it just about fits in my trousers pocket. If anyone can recommend me any similarly small books it would be cool as those tube journeys can be very dull. Te ra, Martin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". 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Name: not available URL: From a-and-r at xxx.uk Mon Jun 7 18:13:48 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (katrina house) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:13:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: news update - b&s related 07/06 Message-ID: <375BFDCC.54799B40@jeepster.co.uk> hi everyone, sorry these are so frequent at the moment, but there's loads happening, so just thought i'd share :) *LOOPER* i've had loads of people mailing me regarding the July 4th gig, the show is at Oak Canyon Ranch as part of the Sonic Youth "This Ain't No Picnic" mini-festival. it starts at 12pm and tickets are $25 + booking fee. there is a site with info at http://208.242.114.231/nopicnic/ sorry about all the change of details with this one ... *BELLE & SEBASTIAN* we finally have a release date for 'tigermilk' in the u.s. through Matador, they're heading for Tuesday 13th July (after the UK release on July 12th and Japan on July 8th), so no matter where you are in the world you should be able to get a copy the week of release. Matador and Virgin Japan are releasing only on CD, but are distributing UK copies of the LP so if you're a vinyl-junkie it shouldn't be that hard. We're still taking pre-orders though in the Jeepster shop - http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ ... there is another B&S inspired club night coming up in London this Friday 11th June, it's called 'Tigermilking' and it's at Upstairs @ The Garage. here's the blurb ... on June 11th you are all invited to a club night extraordinaire. there will be bands, DJs and plenty of like minded people listening to music your mind will like. It will cost you just £5 to get in or £4 for concessions, or the wearing of a B&S t-shirt or badge. Tigermilking starts at 8pm and ends at 3am. Bands will be on between 8.45 and 11pm. so be there or be in watching C4 telly ... which is good, but not *that* good ... that's it for now ... cheers, katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From splag at xxx.net Mon Jun 7 18:44:04 1999 From: splag at xxx.net (Scott Plagenhoef) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 12:44:04 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Get your stinkin' paws off me you damn, dirty ape Message-ID: <199906071852.NAA04464@saba.wwa.com> Hi all. Long-time listener, first-time caller. My name is Scott and I am currently slaving away at -- get this -- and American soccer magazine (not only is that an oxymoron to most of you, but incredibly un-twee) andŠAARGH; OK, sorry for the lapse into neat biography. I must have been having first-day-at-school flashbacks or something. As for the increasingly tired tales of frats and sororities, I was hoping that someone could help me out with a curiosity regarding the Greek system that always puzzled me in college, but I had forgotten about until now: Why don't African-American frats and sororites have houses? Are they not allowed? Where I went to school -- University of Michigan -- they did not have houses and therefore had to hold Greek-sponsored functions in campus buildings rather than on their own residences (therefore under the administration's thumb and rules governing alcohol and drugs, curfews, etc.). Was this true elsewhere? When "High Fidelity" is released, if you look carefully in the club scene you can see the girl that broke my heart. The film adaptation of the Nick Hornby novel "High Fidelity" is being filmed here in Chicago (yes, not in London) and my friend (yes, we're still friends because I am a sap) is working today and tomorrow as Sara Gilbert's stand-in. I know, I know -- oooh, big Hollywood movie and all that crap, but John Cusack is the star and he is more than OK with me -- and I did enjoy the book (music/pop culture obsessive has difficulty being taken seriously by some because of an inability to fully embrace proper adult life; how ever could I realte?) I was invited as an extra but the workaday world calls: Boo to the business world. Anyhow a stand-in job will be terribly tedious anyway -- she'll have to do all the set-up crap for shots that big stars like Sara Gilbert wouldn't possibly touch. Who is Sara Gilbert? Roseanne's opinionated daughter on the TV show, or for the international audience possibly uninitiated in America's brief fascination with blue-collar TV ("Home Improvement," "Grace Under Fire," "MarriedŠwith Children") the girl whose supposed friendship Drew Barrymore uses in the mouth-gapingly, spittle-inducingly poor film "Poison Ivy" to get to her dad, Tom Skerrit, so she can sleep with him. On the hood/bonnet of his car. In the rain. Sorry. I would apologize in great detail for the length/crap content of this missive except that would only lengthen it further so I am going to go now bye. scott. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From monroej at xxx.com Mon Jun 7 19:51:02 1999 From: monroej at xxx.com (John F. Monroe) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:51:02 -0500 Subject: Sinister: "Like Dylan In The Movies" US Enclave 1 track promo at eBay Message-ID: <01f801beb116$b4827d00$4b86cfa9@monroej.execpc> I am auctioning this off, from my personal archives. It does have a nice different insert, it is sort of few different shades of blue. It is the album version of the song, not a remix. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=114366440 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Mon Jun 7 20:00:34 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (katrina house) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:00:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Get your stinkin' paws off me you damn, dirty ape References: <199906071852.NAA04464@saba.wwa.com> Message-ID: <375C16D2.11E48C8E@jeepster.co.uk> hi, > When "High Fidelity" is released, if you look carefully in the club scene > you can see the girl that broke my heart. i think you'll find B&S music will be in the film ... more details as and when ... cheers, k. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Mon Jun 7 22:10:30 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (sarah cracknell) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:10:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: running for cover, it looks like its going to rain Message-ID: <009601beb12a$49f6b3c0$5d6b883e@default> dear pop people, i am free! free to be once more a hipswingy-armwavey-maracashakey-type-of-girl, to roam the planet spreading my message of funky coolness to all those whose ears are open to the music. i stayed in that cellar for days. i sat and hoped he would free me. i pondered the spiders as they weaved their webs, i peered under the cellar door and thought of my fans, missing their international babe. i tried to ignore the fact that i was sharing the cellar with silverfish. i told them i thought they had split up, but they didn't answer. i tried to reason with the boy that lived in the house. i sang him quiet songs of shiny starlets, beautiful tales of dancing girls in spanish sunshine. he didn't listen. eventually, i had to get out. yesterday he was bringing in a star bar and a bunch of carrots for my dinner and he let a scrap of paper fall from his pocket. i crept quietly across the floor and concealed it under my stylish swishy hair until he had gone. when i read it, tears rolled softly down my cheek and fell like rain on hobart paving....this is what the paper said _101 things to do with sarah cracknell:_ 1. invite her to be my friend, ask her to take me to america with her and let me join the band (problems: last time i spoke to her she attacked me with a can of hairspray) 2. sell her. a little bit capitalistic but the money could be used to bribe a publisher somewhere or buy a spanish bar. (problems: a lot of people don't take care of famous international rock stars once they've bought them. i'd feel guilty if she didn't get fed properly) 3. cut all her hair off and make a stylish range of cracknell cushions with it (problems: none that i can think of) 4. ask her to stand with her arms at jaunty, rakish angles and stand her in the window as an attractive ornament (problems: someone might break the window and steal her. if the glass fell on the carpet, i might have to tidy up) 5. ask her to stand with her arms at a slightly less jaunty, rakish angle and use her to hang my washing on (problems: not enough arms..maybe a transplant?) 6. put her in a boat, set it adrift and disguise her as tom selleck. maintain my appearance as sarah, continue to appear at concerts and wave to my adoring fans. several weeks later, arrange for her to be rescued, but laugh at her in public when she argues that she is the true sarah c. (problems: she looks more like her than i do. my tom selleck disguise isn't very good. rather untwee) 7. tell selected people she lives at my house and charge them ten pounds a time to come and look under the cellar door at her (problems......hmmm....nothing springs to mind.) 8. tell the antelopes you have their leader and you're going to tickle her with dusty feathers until they whisper the darkness away and sing the world back to light (problems: emily will lose her voice again) 9. forget about it. go out. get pissed. she'll go quiet soon enough... that, my fellow fancy-dancers, was the end of the list. i don't know what the other 92 things he had planned for me were but i formed a plan. i told him he could be in my band if he brought me some maracas. i told him i would teach him to play them. and i hit him over the head with one of them. now i run through the streets of wolverhampton. my feet are bare, but i don't care, the wind she brushes through my hair. now i really don't care that i'm here and he's still there. no i really don't care but its okay.. in my solitary wanderings i notice that the best looking boys are taken and the best looking girls are staying inside. so, sarah, where does that leave you? wandering around sodding wolverhampton with a tom selleck moustache stuck to my face, that's where. fortunately i found this computer in a skip round the back of netto. i sang to it softly until it was energised enough to connect me to you. my cosmic groovers. remember me. mark...the story was true. tara, we must smash the robot. bob? bob? are you out there? sarah c. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From monroej at xxx.com Mon Jun 7 22:44:07 1999 From: monroej at xxx.com (John F. Monroe) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:44:07 -0500 Subject: Sinister: 'Like Dylan In The Movies' promo cd auction is over Message-ID: <022e01beb12e$e4ccedc0$4b86cfa9@monroej.execpc> Sorry to all who didn't even get to make a bid, but the auction is ended. -John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Mon Jun 7 22:45:40 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (sarah cracknell) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:45:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the boy in the arab's lap Message-ID: <015701beb12f$41ad2c80$5d6b883e@default> ohh...i've got a headache. the last few days are a blur. of the hazed variety rather than the indifferently talented but stunningly sexy singer variety. i found myself lying on the steps of my cellar, holding a tambourine and a signed photograph of elvis. on the back of the photo were the words "kind regards from sarah". i have no idea who sarah might be. i tried to stick the photo up my nose but i think that was just some ridiculous notion i got from somewhere. permission to ask a couple of questions.... actually, i'm going to ask them anyway.. somebody was writing about m.e. if that person would contact me, i'd be grateful. ditto with the person who was talking about getting rid of ants without killing them. two extremely disparate subjects i'm aware but both quite important in my rather small world. also...when i get a confirmation code from ticketweb, does that mean my chalet for bowlie 2 (as i'm stubbornly persisting in calling it) is booked even if it says something about "unreserved"? last time i did this over the phone and it was soooo much easier. this time i got cross after i'd heard that "thankyou for calling ticketweb" message for the ninetieth time. erm...onto things that might actually interest someone...maria said: here's a task: find the dirtiest of all of stuart's "characters" -- is it jane? or the track star? judy, who "did it with a boy when she was young"? the one who's having dreams in which s/he "couldn't see her face, but... everything else"? hmmm, perhaps this is a mite inappropriate well...i can't answer that...though i have my suspicious about that minister in iyfs.... but i'm wondering how people interpret the dream of horses...freudian? with the horses representing sexuality? my friend sam said she thought judy was just dreaming of being free and escaping. i definitely went for the sex angle. but then i would. maybe its best not to ponder these things too much. but then i've already pondered. and unpondering is notoriously difficult. and also, while we're at it...was bob dylan actually ever in a movie? or are we talking about dylan the rabbit? apologies if the latter has been asked before. enough now. i'm not at my most inspired tonight. the world is too wavy. ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Mon Jun 7 23:14:51 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:14:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: pretty in pink...isn't she? Message-ID: <005a01beb133$2d651400$6e0c883e@default> (mental note to self..when maintaining a split personality it is best to remember which part of it is in control at any particular moment.) erm....apparently some part of me thinks it is sarah cracknell. i think it is just my fingers. and maybe my bottom. it does keep wiggling rather. but you don't want to hear about my bottom i'm sure. although i'd be quite willing to tell you. anyway. that last email wasn't from an arm-wavey-hipswingy-maracashakey-type-of-girl but was infact from me. i have no idea where that sarah c thing came from. honest guv.) right...PART WITH A VAGUE RELEVANCE TO DISCUSSION. mark asked: ~. Do bands/record labels ~deliberately change the lyrics in the CD book bit to keep fans on ~their toes? I think we should be told. morrissey does. but then the clever get would, wouldn't he? someone was discussing pretty in pink, and i was just talking about it, so here's my final comment of the evening before i haul my sorry ass off to bed. how the hell did that boy send molly ringwald a picture of himself and a message across the room when she was in the middle of something else? did he have e-mail? and if so, where did he get it from? was he just a technical wizard, very advanced for his age? or (and this is my favoured explanation) was he just a wizard? in which case it makes perfect sense. and....molly ringwald...poor? own car? phone? okay, nasty line in clothing but apart from that she seemed quite comfortable to me. and erica...? songs with pink in? (blushes...whispers..."pink sunshine" by fuzzbox) if you don't remember it i don't suggest you go back and rediscover it. ian (three in one night for the first and last time. i'm talking about e-mails by the way. unfortunately) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkolmar at xxx.com Mon Jun 7 23:36:50 1999 From: mkolmar at xxx.com (Mark Kolmar) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:36:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Sinister: How Not to be Sociable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 Taranicole at aol.com wrote: > Duran Duran [...] Go back and listen to "7 and the Ragged Tiger" and > you'll find a modern day classic, I guarantee you.) Eh... It has aged a bit better than I would have expected, but _Rio_ was the clear peak IMO. That Arcadia album was underrated and overlooked. Effective, "arty" synth-pop. > Tell me now, is there really this stigma attached to the whole > Internet-meeting thing? Cos I kind of thought we as a human species or > whatever had gotten past that. A friend and I had a conversation about this the other day. I had tried to arrange a post-show meetup at the B&S show in Chicago. More recently I tried to arrange a Chicago-area meetup. I still haven't met any listmembers from the area. People in the UK seem to have no trouble using a forum like this to meet others with similar interests and dispositions. Another friend's wife, who lived in upstate New York most of her life, observes that people in this area (Chicago) seem to be too self-absorbed or too self-consciously hip to be sociable -- worse than NYC in her opinion. So many people seem to be bogged-down in the "I'm So Busy" syndrome. Maybe people simply are more open and friendly outside of large, American cities. I have no spare time, but I am able to find time to do the things I want to do. (E.g. taking a day to meet some good people in Wisconsin.) --Mark __ Burning Rome : SENSELESS CD on Mindfield Records MindCD03 Cathartium 14 > Distributed by Dutch East India Trading, Com Four, and Carrot Top < < http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome > < MP3 & RealAudio tracks > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ParisStarz at xxx.com Mon Jun 7 23:34:21 1999 From: ParisStarz at xxx.com (ParisStarz at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:34:21 EDT Subject: Sinister: Re: Pretty in pink Message-ID: <395c2c19.248da2ed@aol.com> Hi. > someone was discussing pretty in pink (the greatest movie ever ever!) > how the hell did that boy send molly ringwald a picture of himself and a > message across the room when she was in the middle of something else? > was he just a technical wizard, very advanced for his age? Yes. He was smart. And since he adored Andie, had obviously worked and worked and waited for the perfect moment for his classy display of affection. > and....molly ringwald...poor? own car? phone? okay, nasty line in > clothing but apart from that she seemed quite comfortable to me. She saved and saved and saved every last penny from the record store to get her car. And it was junk and didnt start. And she should have gone with Duckie. sigh. hello all! Delbert xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From splag at xxx.net Mon Jun 7 23:37:02 1999 From: splag at xxx.net (Scott Plagenhoef) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:37:02 -0500 Subject: Sinister: drop and give me twenty Message-ID: <199906072238.RAA03657@saba.wwa.com> > and also, while we're at it...was bob dylan actually ever in a movie? or > are we talking about dylan the rabbit? "Don't Look Back" is a behind-the-scenes Bob Dylan tour movie about the down side of fame and the music industry -- a sort of precursor to "Meeting People is Easy" but with a lot more ideas -- so its all pretty literal: "Don't Look Back, like Dylan in the movies." Dylan also was a cast member in that Clint Eastwood film that "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" was recorded for, the name of which escapes me. Off the subject, has anyone tried the 7-11 convenience store's new fruit coolers? (except they spell it "frut" with an umlaut which I can't make on my computer although I'm awfully sure that the option key is involved. Why they do that and what the German lang. has to do with fruity, creamy goodness I have no idea). Anyway, the orange type tastes just like a pushup which makes re-living suburban, ice-cream-truck-chasing memories a very real possibility (although the underpaid teens behind the counter seem quite disturbed when you enter the store saying, "ooh, the ice cream man is coming") Now they just need some sort of drink that tastes like a bomb pop and it might be an alright summer -- even if it comes with a bizarre Aryan spelling. scott. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Tue Jun 8 03:18:49 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:18:49 -0700 Subject: Sinister: B&S Content!!! (and some other stuff about films, books, and the suburbs) Message-ID: A brief post from lovely Portland, Oregon. If Seattle is a brand new Ben Sherman shirt, Portland is the one you got at the Goodwill- maybe a little more scruffy, but with much more personality. Ian asked if Bob Dylan was ever in a movie. He was in a documentary, a very famous one by D.A. Pennebaker, called "Don't Look Back". So, if you don't look back, you're like Dylan in the movie. I couldn't possibly be the only person who is aware of this. Rebelstrange posted about Hal Hartley directing Beth Orton's video. A very cool video, BUT: I myself was privileged, as a film writer/reviewer (put those tomatoes down, please, you don't even KNOW what I'm going to SAY yet!) to see a preview of the 'Book of Life' before it ran at this year's NW Film Festival, and it was really, really bad. I quite liked 'Henry Fool' and feel PJ Harvey can do no wrong, but Hal Hartley has a problem, and that problem is that you can practically hear him from behind the camera, telling the actors to please try to read the dialogue he wrote as if they're as impressed with it as he is. It taints most of his films and really ruins the Book of Life, which also has the disadvantage of being MTV slo-motioned quick-edited to death, and with very dull and obvious 'humour'. Polly Jean looks drop-dead cool in it, though, and it's only an hour long, so if you do the Peej you may be interested in seeing it just for that. The pick of the hip, New York-dwelling American indie film litter is, by far, Mr. Todd Haynes. People are posting about Mark C.'s dream of suburban America- well, lads and lassies, to get the real deal on Suburbia, USA, first watch Blue Velvet and then watch Mr. Haynes' [SAFE] (and THEN move on to Todd Solondz, whose films are good but not quite up to those levels. Please don't see them out of order =). [SAFE] is easily one of the best films of the 1990s (and in my opinion, EVER!) and gives you humane, empathetic (though very objective, detached, and Kubrickian on the surface) treatment of the Suburban Condition as channeled by Mr. Haynes and the lusciously red-haired Julianne Moore. Please, anyone who's seen it, chime in with your acclaim of it! The whole Sinister list must see [SAFE]!!! I know people slagged Velvet Goldmine (Haynes' long-awaited follow up to [SAFE], a cruelly underrated glam-rock epic) because they didn't understand what it was supposed to be (a lovely, gaudy-colorful, glittering, bisexually erotic glam-rock fairly tale with the 1970s as the Emerald City and the 1980s as a dark place ruled by those twin Wicked Witches, Reagan and Thatcher), only what they simplistically wanted it to be (a Bowie bio-pic, which it was NEVER intended to be). I'm still deciding whether or not to start a Todd Haynes fan club (do people DO things like that?!!?) but if anybody else is interested or even knows what I'm talking about please to be letting me know. For further REAL revelations on American Suburbia, refer to "The Ice Storm" (book OR film, both marvelous). Also, a new book by A.M. Homes called "Music for Torching", imagine "The Ice Storm" as a madcap satire/comedy. I guess A.M. Homes is semi-celeb in the UK for writing "The End of Alice" and getting it banned everywhere and starting a national discussion about pedophilia and sex. People are talking about John Updike on the list and he's also essential reading for the excavationists of that place we call the suburbs. For a very UN-real and UN-serious view of Americana Suburbiana, see John Hughes films 1984-1986. They're not very good but they're very sweet and charming and fun to watch. Not so much "Sixteen Candles", but "Breakfast Club" and "Pretty in Pink". Nobody should ever, ever think anybody's life anywhere is like life depicted in a Hughes film. Ian asked how the boy gets his picture from his computer screen to Molly's in PIP. The answer is, it's just pure cheesiness, somebody thought it would be 'cool' and they put it in the film even though it has no basis in reality. It's a part I've mocked each and every one of the THOUSANDS of times I've seen Pretty in Pink. 'Cos it's one of my favorite films. I hope at least some of this will fit in your trouser pockets. -Chris +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 03:46:53 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:46:53 EDT Subject: Sinister: the boy in the arab's lap Message-ID: <94750b61.248dde1d@aol.com> "Don't look back" was a Bob Dylan tour film shot in like '65 or thereabouts, so I'm assuming they're one and the same. I've never seen but I have a friend who worships it. I apologize if anyone else has already responded to this as I haven't read all my sinster messages before writing this one. Later steve c. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Kt788 at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 04:13:29 1999 From: Kt788 at xxx.com (Kt788 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:13:29 EDT Subject: Sinister: Dylan in the movies Message-ID: <647ad736.248de459@aol.com> Don't forget that Bob Dylan was also in Pat Garret and Billy the Kid, for which he wrote the AMAZING soundtrack. He was also in Renaldo and Clara ( or is it Clara and Renaldo, I always mix it up) which he made, and the forgettable Hearts of Fire. There are other concert films and and documentaries and stuff, like the Last Waltz and the already mentioned Don't look back. juniper +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 04:25:10 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:25:10 EDT Subject: Sinister: (no subject) Message-ID: <12dd4d6d.248de716@aol.com> I know this sounds terribly shoddy but I forgot to print out the lyrics to all the unreleased songs that was passed around by the super Nick Dastoor, so I would be much appreciative if some kind soul could mail them to me again. I will forever be in your debt (or basement if Ian mails them). I finally heard some of these songs on various bootlegs and I fell in love with them. I thought "Pocketbook Angel" and "Lord Anthony" were incredible and I can't see why neither has been released so far. Didn't someone say that Stevie claimed "Wrong Girl" would never be recorded? Thats a shame...it really is a beautiful song. And for the final question of this bothersome post: Is "Landslide" an original? I heard the Bowlie and tape, and those of you who were there correct if I'm wrong, but did they bring in backing singers? Thats song sounds so 60s girl-group-pop, like the Supremes and whatnot I had to ask. Gosh Isobel is even lovely when jumbling her between song thanks...:sigh: Apparently two other people beat me to the punch about the Bob Dylan thing so I apologize for deluging people with redundant babblings...apparently I'm slow on the draw. Off to drown my boredom in cheap wine and James Taylor...The life of a deviant... steve c. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 04:48:39 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:48:39 EDT Subject: Sinister: Last time... Message-ID: <8ccaca73.248dec97@aol.com> I apologize for that last post because I had totally forgotten about the list archive, so I went and copied the lyrics from there. Blah! and I haven't even touched the wine yet. Sheepishly yours steve c. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 06:14:14 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:14:14 EDT Subject: Sinister: dcpicnic and suburbia Message-ID: B&S content...my dear friend Douglas sent me a tape of Tigermilk today...and his copy of the Jordan Knight CD...I haven't decided what to listen to first, isn't that awful? I may have a car going from the Princeton NJ/Bucks County PA area to Washington DC for the Belle and Sebastian fan picnic Saturday. Does anyone on the East Coast need a ride? At this time I have four vacant seats in a nice red Toyota Corolla, a lot of good tapes and some crazy stories for the 6 hour drive. Xavier-a bit of public flirting....I can't wait to meet you this weekend. You may have eavesdropped on my posts on the "other" list (teehee) but I quite like what you have to say on Sinister. To add to Chris's list about suburbia...I'd highly reccomend anything about Levittown Pennsylvania where my parents grew up. The whole history is crazy. I also quite like the book and film "Our Man In Havana" and "Lolita" for what they have to say about suburban teen girls in the 1950s. Love Courtney B +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From komis at xxx.edu Tue Jun 8 08:31:20 1999 From: komis at xxx.edu (Dmitry Komis) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 02:31:20 -0500 Subject: Sinister: B&S content (for the lucky ones across the seas) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990608023120.007d7b70@students.uiuc.edu> hola senores y senoritas! i am not sure if someone sent this to the list before, but this has actual B&S content so i thought id share. click here and find out about a radio show that will play the B&S set at Bowlie: http://www.nme.com/newswire/19990501153030news.html now, i have to make my plea... would any kind UK listees please make a copy of this show for me? i will send you a tape and pay for postage, or if you want to trade or something. i am willing to compromise. please respond privately, thanks dmitry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Tue Jun 8 10:10:27 1999 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:10:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Good Greetings To You All.... Message-ID: <001b01beb18e$ccc6b700$8ad0b0c2@default> Hello there, yes, even you. I now have a voice after spending what seems like an eternity in the nursery listening to all of you others having fun without me. I am now here, possibly to stay, and ready to put across many zany and profound views. Hmm. Can't think of anything at the moment, but rest assured, you WILL hear more from the Romantic Scotsman. RE: objects in orifices; I haven't had anything up my nose, but I once had a ten pence piece (the older, bigger kind) lodged in my throat and had to held upside down and shaken violently until it was dislodged. I was 7, I think.... I am one of the unluck many who didn't make it to the first Bowlie, but I doubt I'll go to the second, as B&S aren't. Pity. If the fish are still unnamed, I suggest, Tricky and Dicky. That's all for today class, you can all go home now. Remember your permission slips for tomorrow's picnic. -- Jason Andreas -- The Romantic Scotsman -- -- The original owner of a broken heart -- { jasonandreas at breathemail.net } -- contact me ... oh yes! -- -- Spammers WILL be shot... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 11:02:02 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 03:02:02 PDT Subject: Sinister: B&S vids Message-ID: <19990608100202.79176.qmail@hotmail.com> Well, My turn no: Anyone in the UK willing to tape me that B&S special in Alternative Nation? I'd pay all the usual stuff, posting and such, of course. Mail me, oh thee sweet people who are willing to help a guy in serious trouble. Ok, that one was pretty short, but I'm off for a jobinterview in about an hour, and I have to work a bit here, since I'll be leaving early today. jobswapping is the future. @--->--- Jace le petit. "I think we should have beautycontests for the inside of the human body too. The best spleen, the best liver..." -Jeromy Irons in Dead Ringers. One beautiful movie, that one. I usually never cry watching films, but that one makes me feel a bit... ill. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TNewth at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 12:05:26 1999 From: TNewth at xxx.com (Newth, Tom) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:05:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Is that a real poncho or a Sears poncho? Message-ID: <0743C08C3772D211B8B50008C7A4F3B60188D02E@PON-03> Hi everybody! I couldn't keep my mouth shut or my fingers still any longer (a perennial problem). Bob Dylan plays Alias in Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, which most definitely does not star Clint Eastwood, but which is the movie with Knocking on Heaven's Door. And it is just a heartbreaking. The best film by the brilliant (tho sometimes patchy and undeniably nuts) Sam Peckinpah. Read If They Move Kill 'em. Watch all his films. He's top notch. And James Caan in The Killer Elite looks like my dad. Most disconcerting. Anyhoo, Bobby D has a super scene where he reads aloud all the labels on the food in a food store. And Kris Kristofferson is in it, which bizarrely is always a good recomendation for a film (don't ask why - all the laws of nature should be against it). At any rate, he's in Cisco Pike which is tops (shifting 100-odd blocks of Mexican weed over a weekend!) and The Last Movie, which is less than tops, but a whole lot of fun (and does star Sam Fuller, which is also always a good recomendation for a movie). JD Salinger enjoyed it too. Bob's also in a whole load of other things (including the legendary Hearts of Fire with Rupert Everett - don't even feel tempted..) but never so good. Shame - he makes a really good western extra. Incidently, nuff respect to Chris McQ - [SAFE] is quite quite excellent, and not "the most boring film ever made" as some would have it... Since everyone is getting all excited about AMerican suburbia, I'd like to throw in my six eggs. Which are ALL the films of Douglas Sirk (but especially All That Heaven Allows - which is one of my favourite films ever - Imitation of Life, and to a lesser extent, Magnificent Obsession and Written on the Wind). Sirk was a studio genius who made ostensibly straight pictures but which have a really cynical bite to them. For example, the studio thought that All That Heaven Allows referred to the bounty of goodness and love and bunny rabbits, and all things twee (see - B&S content at last!) which are the human lot. Whereas Sirk saw it as referring to the miserable sliver of contentment that passes for happiness in most people's lives. Also someone mentioned to me the other day that he thought Sirk was the precursor of all soap operas and melodramatic smalltown/smallmind dramas. Which is (more or less) true. The ur-50's suburban movie tho has to Peyton Place, tho it's kind of long (and not as good as if Sirk had done it). Also Bigger than Life. Class film (Sample dialogue "God was wrong") OK - I didn't intend this to become a "films I like" message so apologies to all (if it's any consolation, I've only just started....) What I did want to say was that: has anyone else found that the Grand Wazoo site is not working right? I visited ages ago was interested in Isobel's "things I like" list, particularly The Hand of Ethelberta by Thos Hardy, which struck me as pretty obscure. And, as luck would have it, a few days later, perusing the shelfs of my local book-selling emporium (actually, not local, cos there's no sodding bookshops in Golders Green) there it was. It was bought and read and thoroughly enjoyed, so I'd like to second Isobel's tacit reccomendation. Maybe I'll meet some of you on friday at the garage.... spoon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From igh1 at xxx.uk Tue Jun 8 12:20:55 1999 From: igh1 at xxx.uk (Ian Hatcher) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:20:55 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: Sinister: Did you know that clocks don't mean much to rabbits and owls? Message-ID: Hello everyone, I have had a request from my Sinisterian friend (if you look at my signature thingy you may notice that a second member of the legendary albino squirrel show, namely ME, has joined the list) NOT to send my first post saying, "hello, I am just out of the nursery and I thought I should post, it is very scary posting to 1000 people, my favourite song is . . ." so I won't. Although I guess I just did :-) Some of you may remember me from a really offensive post ages ago - and if you do I apologise, especially to Dorigen. You see, that was in the days before I discovered B&S (you see, there is some B&S content in here :-), and my aforementioned friend subscribed me by mistake. Then I learned of the calming powers of Isobel's voice, and I'm nicer now, honest guv'nor :-) Anyway, I can't say sorry enough, and I'll probably be cast down in eternal damnation. How do you all think up those fantastic subject headings? I'm trying to come up with something original, but am failing miserably. Hmmmm . . . BTW - how many of you are going to proms/balls? The one here at Canterbury costs 40 squid and for that we get to see Cast, Boy George djing (shame it's not Culture Club) and the official Stereophonics cover band, Monophonics. Oh happy happy joy joy. I can't wait. goodVYYYE, Ian. ------------------ Ian Hatcher igh1 at ukc.ac.uk Rutherford JCC Ents #1 Tune into the Albino Squirrel Show every Thursday 2-4pm on UKCR "The clock may not mean much to rabbits and owls Depending on darkness and light." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tourajsig2 at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 12:37:16 1999 From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 04:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: The Gobi Twins, Sahara Cracknell, Mojave Williams Message-ID: <19990608113716.4794.rocketmail@web135.yahoomail.com> Ooh, I've peaked with the subject heading. And I pinched that. Best make this short. As someone old enough to remember Emlyn 'Crazy Horse' Hughes rampaging through the Swedish defence only to slam his drive against an upright in an otherwise drab, goalless late 70s friendly, Saturday's Euro2000 tedium was a case of déjà vu for me. Except that *this* time, the shining moment in an avalanche of jaw-slacking misery came 2 hours *after* the match in the shape of two Australians wielding acoustic guitars in a tiny record shop. So, not really comparable in any way. Yes, The Go-Betweens were in town again - or at least Robert 'Ham' Forster and Grant 'Beef' McLennan. A terrific little set between the 'NZ Skate-Punk' and 'West Coast Spaz-Jazz' sections in the Rough Trade shop in London's swinging W11, climaxing, almost unbelievably, with "Lee Remick". Trousers and I summoned up enough courage afterwards to hassle Mr F; he and Stevie T hit it off almost immediately with a shared fondness for Lovin' Spoonful lyrics, while I stood around lemon-like until the Antipodean popster noticed my TBWTAS T-shirt. "'struth, mate - they're bonzer, no worries", he said - or words to that effect. Later still Trou's shameless Eric Morecambe dancing almost swayed Robert F (who now has the demeanour of a slightly hip college professor) into joining us for a drink. But not quite. We applauded them as they swanned off pub-bound with a phalanx of journoscum in tow, which I like to think made their day. The spontaneous ovation that is, not the boozing and schmoozing with IPC hacks. Chris McQuain had this to say: > I know people slagged Velvet Goldmine (Haynes' long-awaited follow up to > [SAFE], a cruelly underrated glam-rock epic) because they didn't understand > what it was supposed to be (a lovely, gaudy-colorful, glittering, bisexually > erotic glam-rock fairly tale with the 1970s as the Emerald City and the > 1980s as a dark place ruled by those twin Wicked Witches, Reagan and > Thatcher), only what they simplistically wanted it to be (a Bowie bio-pic, > which it was NEVER intended to be). Funny, I was rather expecting it to be a gaudy, glittery, erotic fairy-tale and I still thought at least half of it was a hideous, sagging mess. I did like the bits with the kids running through the streets to early Eno. There's not enough of that kind of thing anywhere, really. I half-agree with you about [SAFE] (is it really bracketed capitals ?)... the detached, Kubrickian business. I guess I'm a superficial kinda guy. Back to it... Mike. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 12:36:25 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:36:25 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Have you wet yourself? (incredibly off topic) Message-ID: Dearest, I went to see gay dad yesterday. I have a love/hate relationship with free gigs - they're lovely because they're free and you don't have to worry about remembering your ticket, but they're awful because when you stamp the word FREE on something, lots if people with no genuine interest in the thing come along and annoy you. Tossers, I tell you. Tall jeery boys standing at the front, laughing like bevis and butthead. I had to stand next to the very same boys at the signing, hearing them grunt and watching them shuffle around (you notice each one of them had to have a big GAY DAD poster board of their own, even though they weren't going to buy the album to be signed, just the single) and I slipped in an unknown liquid (probably wee) on oxford street running in my impractical shoes to get to Soho Square in time, and probably looked like i'd wet myself. Which is always attractive. but this doesn't matter when Cliff signs your cd "Erica you are the Prettiest Star". He loves me you know. You can see it in his eyes. Erica x p.s I bet everyone thinks Gay Dad are crap, or hasn't even heard of them. judging by the type of fan they attract, you'd probably be right in thinking they're poo, but like it or not, cliff is a stud and no mistake. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From daragh_lynch at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 12:46:42 1999 From: daragh_lynch at xxx.com (daragh lynch) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 11:46:42 GMT Subject: Sinister: searching... Message-ID: <19990608114642.91898.qmail@hotmail.com> hello friends, just a very short note to ask if there are any other sinisterines in belfast? if so, hows about we organise a meetup for the summer? there. thats me done. b'bye, daragh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Tue Jun 8 13:56:51 1999 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:56:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The beach was deserted, except for some kelp... Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB6901AC94@PARK_EX> which, in my world, is a very funny line from a Dylan song featured in 'Don't look back' (especially when said in sing-song Dylan accent). Hurrah! Pretty in Pink [snip]. I may waffle at length to the people who mentioned it later but I shall contain myself to the list in general. I'm very hung over today cos I got battered with The Yo-Yos (Danny from The Wildhearts' new band) last night after they played in Cheltenham. They Rawk! (and roll too) And they are very funny. And they have quiffs (but their roadie has bigger one). The Cardiacs are playing tonight, but I don't know anything about them, any opinions (like, duh, stoopid question). That's the best thing about this list, someone always has an (usually informed, or at least funny) opinion on everything. Is anyone else going to Glastonbury? Perhaps we could have a picnic in the Stone Circle (preferably when The Corrs are playing, as I want to be as far away from **that** as is humanly possible). For anyone who is going, please repeat the following mantra five times a day between now and the festival: itcantpossiblyrainthreeyearsinarowitcantpossiblyrainthreeyearsinarowitcantpo ssiblyrainthreeyearsinarow (but I'll certainly be taking my wellies with me, anyway) That Graham bloke said: but like it or not, cliff [Jones from Gay Dad] is a stud and no mistake. Erica, darling, how can someone so right be soooooo wrong. I'm not sure why I don't like Gay Dad (which is very annoying, like having a itch in the middle of your head that you can't scratch), but I'm coming to the conclusion that it's got something to do with Cliff Jones' unerring ability to be completely wrong about just about everything, eg on Jo Whiley saying Suede's new stuff is better than their old stuff [WRONG!] and that the Hepburn single is good [WRONG!]. As I said before I love opinionated people (Billy Bragg on the same show the previous week was ace, and he mentioned Thatcher and everything), but he, oooh, he just annoys me, and that isn't what I want from my pseudo-glam pop stars, oh no. What I want is Ewan McGregor getting his willie out, lots of glitter and blue hair. I thought Velvet Goldmine was pretty cool, esp. the fantasy bits, but had to stop thinking "so is he meant to be Bowie or Bolan" about half way through as it was driving me up the wall. Oh, I think I might have found a drummer too, so Carsmile could yet be resurrected from it's still smouldering ashes. Apols for the very waffly nature of this post, will try harder next time xoxo CarsmileSteve > ---------------------------------------------- > 'Slightly Anal About 80s Pop' > > carsmilesteve at geocities.com > > visit the historic record of Carsmile at http://fast.to/carsmile > > 'Anyone need a singer?' > > > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From simonw at xxx.uk Tue Jun 8 14:20:50 1999 From: simonw at xxx.uk (Simon Warner) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:20:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sex, drugs and sausage rolls... Message-ID: Hello there! I'm one of those newbie nursery people who've broken loose... I'm nursing a Paula Cullen Booze Explosion "amps-turned-up-to-11" hangover today, so it'll be (relatively) painless... Imagine a job where you have nothing to do all day except for listen to CDs and muck around with E-mails and the 'net, as I believe the kids are calling it these days... Imagined? Good - that's what I do. 9-5. 'Tsa tough life. What I'm actually supposed to being at work is far too boring to talk about on this big chatty-room thing, though. Just trying to let you know that if you write an E-mail and you think "God that's crap, everyone'll be so bored they won't read anything I'll do ever again", fret not, 'cos, hey, I care :) The last two weeks of silence have been great not only 'cos you didn't have to put up with me, but because just sitting here reading all the E-mails has led me to the Buena Vista Social Club - good recommendation, whoever that was. So, here's a book mention... Try "The Diving Bell & Butterfly" - if you don't have great patience for reading, it's not very long, due to the fact it was dictated using only the blinking of one eye. Which is pretty fantastic in itself, but the book's even better. It's not small enough for the tube, alas... I live in Bristol, which, contrary to the creamed-rice ads ("OO-AAR!! It's Ambrosia!!!" etc.) isn't full of cows and rolling hills. But it is pretty shit - no hope of B&S playing here, I guarantee. Any other bumpkins on the list? Or are you still trying to find out if the little-man-who-lives-inside-the computer is hungry? Hey, we can laugh at ourselves in the West Country... I'll keep it down to a minimum, promise. Chumley :) "Constantly updating your hit parade of your ten biggest wanks" - TBWTAS (that's the B&S content bit) Has the discussion on the Sinister list ever got around to that? Let's have some solo love-pleasuring stories. Go on... you first... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Tue Jun 8 15:10:56 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:10:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk @ Kilmarnock Message-ID: Hey everyone, as I keep saying at the moment, I'm not really here. But a little something from Stuart M to you all: click on "Tigermilk at Kilmarnock" near the top of the Sinister WWW page at http://www.majordomo.net/sinister If anyone can tell me the story of this, that'd be nice, if not I'll find out, and sit you all down and have a bit of a natter later on. As for all those people waiting for me to do little sinister things for them.. um... "Tell everybody waiting for Supermum That they should try to hold on best they can She hasn't dropped them, forgot them, or anything It's just too heavy for Supermum today" Anyone seen my cape? Honey trying to be Supermum xxx -- "In Europe the big word is tolerance. Homosexuals are riding high in the media... and in Scotland, you can't believe how strong the homosexuals are." - Pat Robertson, shaken after being attacked by Big Gay Rabbie in a supermarket in Leith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From koogy at xxx.uk Tue Jun 8 16:01:55 1999 From: koogy at xxx.uk (andrew dean) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 16:01:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: ...let me ride away... References: <199906080909.DAA19044@turtle.esosoft.net> Message-ID: <375D3063.BF5F1B46@clara.co.uk> from nme.com > BELLE & SEBASTIAN's set at the Bowlie Festival last month will be > broadcast on Radio 1 on July 5 on the Steve Lamaq show. Insiders > say as much as 45 minutes could be broadcast. and us sceptics say that they'll do what they did to the Black Sessions and play roughly a third of it... pah. they played for over 75 minutes at the actual show. i just hope it's the second half they broadcast. a friend of mine knows steve lamacq and says nothing but good things about him. bit i think he's the devil. that said, the same person talked all the way through The Pine's set at the recent church hall gig thing so what does he know? pah! andy (off topic stuff follows) getting rid of ants without killing them? it was easy in the end, i just stopped leaving half empty glasses of weak lemon drink around the place and they went looking elsewhere for their sugar rush. (i also had to wipe down all the surfaces where the weak lemon drink had been standing cos that seemed to be enough to attract them). i see the odd one or two now but i can live with that. and remember: don't step on an ant, they've done nothing to you... i'm off to los angeles tomorrow for two weeks. just thought i'd give everyone else in LA a chance to move to new york rather than have to endure eating indian food with me... pah! (oh john m: i'll take your tapes with me and post them when i get there. dave m: thanks for that. nick d: md is in the post.) the computer thing in pretty in pink: it was a film, it wasn't real. keanu stops bullets in mid air in the matrix. that wasn't real either. (whoops, given away the ending, sort of. still, go and see it, it was good in a cyberpunk / hong kong film industry acrobatics and shooting kind of way) oh, and didn't roger hargreaves die? isn't that why the books now say copyright mrs roger hargreaves, cos the rights are in her name now? just a thought. i've read 'imaginary girlfriend' if it's the john irving book you were talking about (arantxa? was that you asking this?). i liked it but it's a departure from his usual stuff in that it's strictly autobiographical, it's stories of his past and mainly about wrestling (greco-roman rather than the hulk hogan type)(actually, having just flicked through it again it's ALL about wrestling although there are plenty of asides). never did get more than halfway through 'son of the circus' though. one of these days... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wilska at xxx.net Tue Jun 8 16:48:59 1999 From: wilska at xxx.net (wilska at xxx.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:48:59 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Rock you like a hurricane Message-ID: <15AAE0EBDCC9D1119FFA00805F85642E01DB48BB@WNI-MSG-02> Yesterday afternoon, M2 (the MTV channel that actually plays *videos*--novel concept) had a little 80s metal interlude--classics such as Ratt's "Round and Round" and Def Leppard's "Rock of Ages". I was riveted. And then came the Scorpions--"No One Like You," which is, bizarrely, a montage of their shows and wacky exploits during a tour of Japan. Japan??? The Scorpions??? How does that work? Is that like the David Hasselhof/Germany connection--odd, strong, and perhaps never meant to be understood? All very fascinating, I find. Anyhoo, I'm one of those fresh-from-the-nursery kids, difference between me and others being that I never knew I was actually in said nursery since I came to Sinister from another list. It's that ignorance/bliss thing. I now have Peet's (possibly the world's most caffeine-filled coffee) running through my veins and a slightly disturbing medley of "Dylan in the Movies" and "No One Like You" running through my head. Neither is conducive to me getting a good deal of work done anytime in the near future. Perhaps it's time for more M2 (yes, I have a TV on my desk at work--comes with the territory). Bummed that I missed the San Francisco meet-up. Next time around... Enough chatter from me. Oh, except to say that as far as books go, I must give a shout out to Ruth Ozeki's *My Year of Meats*--a funny, sad, brilliantly-written tale of a documentarian's adventures making a meat-based TV show for Japan. Makes me glad I'm a vegetarian. Also, in the film realm, check out *The Dreamlife of Angels*, a beautiful and painful punch in the gut with an amazing song over the closing credits (anyone know what it is?). Really, that's all. Be well, be well. --emily +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Tue Jun 8 17:51:48 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 17:51:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Duglas T Stewart's searing expose of B&S (TONS of B&S content) Message-ID: <375D4A24.8054972B@student.paisley.ac.uk> Has no-one written a proper review of this top quality bit of telly yet? I watched it this morning at 9am just after my tape dropped through the letterbox (cheers Rob, did I tell you you're a star? I probably did, but I'll say it again, and in public this time). Well it was rather jolly, and it's the first time I've seen any B&S videos apart from wee snippets of DD#2 and Is It Wicked. Mick in a kilt would definitely be in the updated parade of my ten biggest wanks if I weren't full of catholic guilt about the whole masturbation scenario. I nearly fell off my sofa at the Century of Fakers video starring a person I actually know. Sandy, his name is, and he was responsible for introducing me to Stevie Jackson, to which one of my ex-flatmates said "oh, cos you're a really big Belle and Sebastian fan, aren't you" and I got hugely embarrassed and couldn't bring myself to talk to Stevie for the rest of the night as the fan/pop star divide had been set up at what was meant to be just a table of friends out for a drink. Elle, I looked for you in the Century of Fakers video but I couldn't see you. Mind you I only met you once so I the picture of you I have in my mind may be completely wrong. Where about in the video are you? Anyway, back to the programme content: Some B&S videos. Suspiciously high Select journo content. Alarming close ups of Mark Radcliffe's eyeballs. Mick looking even more embarrassed than he does on stage (and being interviewed in the worryingly familiar site of the last rainy Glasgow picnic). Caleb, was that you in the programme? I only met you for about three seconds at Bowlie (trying not to but a copy of Papercuts off you in the pub) so can't remember if I actually know what you look like but I think you were in there? Someone else I recognised but can't put a name to at the bar at 200 Troubled Teenagers. A REALLY bad cartoon strip with various B&S-ers looking really like themselves (Chris, Mick, Stevie, and a stunningly immaculate picture of Jo Kenney) a bit like themselves (Isobel, Richard) and looking like totally different people (Sarah, Struan). Can't comment on the cartoon Stu D as it didn't jump out at me much. In real life though, Stu was in possession of the communal band beard last seen adorning the chin of young Mr Colburn last week. People on buses in the not very B&S area of Bridge Street. Mick's admission that B&S are a bit rock and roll and not very fey. I don't think I heard the word "twee" mentioned once. And all voiced over in the style of a 70s educational video, much like a British (and real) version of Troy McLure, I suppose. The Kellogs/Nabisco song is definitely nothing I have heard before, but I imagine is from about the same time as Pocketbook Angel, for reasons that I thought when I was lying on my sofa early this morning but seem a lot more vague now. Sorry! It was a rather pleasant way of spending half an hour anyway, and you also get to see the inside of the legendary church hall and marvel at what a dreadful haircut Chris Geddes really has. More B&S content (what's wrong with me?) Tigermilk at Kilmarnock. Actually it's Somerset Park in Ayr, home of the Honest Men (otherwise known as Ayr United, Struan and Neil's favourite team). I know this as I asked Struan about it when I met him last week. Perhaps that was what spurred him to mail it for our collective perusal. And it was put up when Tigermilk was out the last time as far as I know (though any Ayr United fans on the list can correct me, if you exist). I wouldn't recommend supporting Ayr United if anyone is of the persuasion to change their teams to fit in with their favourite popster. Their "stadium" is a toilet and their top striker is a Celtic reject from several millenia ago who's a bit crap at taking penalties. Though you night bump into Struan at the pie stand. Gerry Love has a seat just in fromt of me at Celtic Park you know. He's often there with Joe McAlinden out of Superstar. Like anyone cares :) Book recommendations (I've never done this before, but hell, I've got lots of B&S content, so I can do this too, yes?). "Making History" by Stephen Fry. It's funny, it's educational, it's far too bloody clever for it's own good, and it confirms my belief that Stephen Fry is one of the greatest human beings in the world today. I've got my Camber chalet booked too. Who else is actually going then? The line-up is rather good and I will be sadly disappointed if there are only about four of the original corner of filth and drunken depravity members available. I've even set aside my money for the kissing booth too...rumour has it (OK started by me) that an end of season sale will see Nick Dastoor available this time for the bargain price of only 30p and a bag of dry roasted peanuts. Though if he continues to sail onwards and upwards in the list crush votes, then the queue may be slightly prohibitive. Struan and Stevie are expected to be busking to entertain the queue forming for the charms of that nice Mr Trousers and his horde of admirers. Oh no all his votes are from the same person aren't they? Why did Warrender John get all his votes taken off him when it was found out that he had been voted for ten times for the same person but Trousers' 25 votes remain intact? Hmmmm. Oh, and I shall send Camber Sands tapes to the first five people that ask me nicely and offer me nice tapes/presents in return. The whole version, not the 45-minute set that Radio One are punting. Shouldn't someone set up a tape tree for these? I would, but I haven't the faintest idea how. Does anyone at all anywhere have a tape of the Glasgow QM gig from a few years ago where they did Reel Around the Fountain. I'd rather like that :) OK, that's more than enough from me for now. Whistler, 13th Note, this Thursday. I'll maybe be the one in the blue duffel coat (weather dependent, it might have to be discarded for the summer). But everyone that goes to Glasgow meet-ups knows me now. Can we have some new people please? Sheeny Stalking Sarah Wheeler will be there, so expect a plethora of B&S-ers lurking behind pillars and pretending not to stalk her. Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rehakk at xxx.edu Tue Jun 8 17:56:03 1999 From: rehakk at xxx.edu (KIMberly Rehak) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 12:56:03 -0400 Subject: Sinister: whore in one Message-ID: <375D4B23.8D03899A@alleg.edu> YO, steve p. asked: Why don't African-American frats and sororites have houses? and my response doesn't even attempt to answer that question, but what you asked reminded me of something funny regarding sorority houses. mind you, i don't want to contribute to the little thread any more, i know you are sick of reading about this but i think that this is interesting. so here you are: KIM's FACT OF THE DAY~ in the fine state of pennsylvania, usa, where my life has been so kindly been dumped, any house where 6 or more females are living together is ILLEGAL. why? because it is then considered a brothel, or, as i like to refer to it as, a whorehouse. the end. KIMberly xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lindiantal at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 18:09:15 1999 From: lindiantal at xxx.com (lindi antal) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:09:15 PDT Subject: Sinister: my first Message-ID: <19990608170915.37148.qmail@hotmail.com> i'm nervous about this. anyway, i've been reading your messages for weeks and this is a really nice place. it makes me so sad to hear about the amazing things that go in the uk while i am so far away in canada. concerning things i've read in the last month: dr.pepper is my hero, anyone who wishes to do an exchange, right here, i am all for it. also, my lifelong goal is to visit your beautiful kingdom. someday, perhaps it will happen. also, mercury rev kick ass and i kind of live near where they are from. not really though. god, don't hate me because of this first message. i'm nervous. Lindi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dunca_chap at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 18:16:06 1999 From: dunca_chap at xxx.com (Adam Chapman) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 17:16:06 GMT Subject: Sinister: dix Place Roddington... Message-ID: <19990608171606.95697.qmail@hotmail.com> Hokay, after much deliberation, not to mention minor panic [why? i'm indecisive o.k.?], i have made the truly momentus decision to attend the undoubted joys that await the world at *Bowlie 2*, having missed the originall;the bloody thing hit all my coursework deadlines... Now, this is all well and good, but i require somebodies to go with and am therefore forced to offer myself in this way [the number of my friends who could care less/pay is around about zero], and i have neither funds nor credit card for a chalet for my lonesome self to trash in the space of 3 days. All i can offer is the ability to wash up for myself, and not to make too much fuss about alcohol induced vomiting, this together with a flair for the OI! YOu school of introduction [well, not exactly, i have delusions of bravery/naivity, so can walk up to people i have never met with impunity]. i can also talk on many subjects on the basis of absolutely no experience whatsoever... In much hope, if not expectation, Adam, X "Because I know that you know, that we know they don't know whats been going on.... " Gruff Rhys, SFA, 'Demons' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Michael.Barrett at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 19:08:36 1999 From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.com (Michael Barrett) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:08:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: When I was insolent, I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds References: <375D4A24.8054972B@student.paisley.ac.uk> Message-ID: <083901beb1d9$efd6e490$b62fc22b@karoo> > But everyone > that goes to Glasgow meet-ups knows me now. Can we have some new people > please? Sheeny Stalking Sarah Wheeler will be there, so expect a > plethora of B&S-ers lurking behind pillars and pretending not to stalk > her. Right. I've had enough. Could people please stop talking about being in Glasgow and going for drinks in Glasgow and having such a fricking wonderful time in Glasgow. Its bad enough being stuck in bloody Reading without having you swines rubbing my face in it. Anyway, since I'm stuck in this god awful half of the country (no offence) is there anyone who has a Michael-shaped space on their floor that I could sleep after A Night of Tigermilking? I'm only little and don't take up much space (if references are required I'm sure the infamous Kevan will testify I don't smell too bad). I suppose I'd better be nice, now that I've asked people for a favour. Umm.... Ok, I'll talk about tigermilk then. I hadn't listened to it for months and months, and about 4 weeks ago I stuck the little blue square in my walkman and Fuck Me - I mean Sinister and Arab Strap are good, but I was stunned by just how amazing Tigermilk was. I think I played She's Losing it about 5 times before I could let it go on, and the sublime joy that is Electronic Renaissance had me grinning all the way to work. Not to mention the fact that it was followed by Pocketbook Angel and Loneliness Anyone who hasn't heard it yet - you're in for the time of your life when you finally get a copy. Michael PS >has a seat just in fromt of me at Celtic Park you know Welly boots? I've just bought my ticket, right in the middle of the main stand - top view. Now I just need suggestions for a cost effective way to get between Reading and Glasgow every week... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lyricjunkie at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 19:42:48 1999 From: lyricjunkie at xxx.com (Natasha Rachel) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: If I needed someone to love... Message-ID: <19990608184248.2965.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> ...you're the ones that I'd be thinkin' of, Sinisterinos. Now pay attention. Teri let us know ages ago that she and Debbie are coming to London all the way from Toronto, and suggested a London picnic. I'm going to be there at the same time as well, and now it's closer to the time I'm reminding everyone of it. I'll say it again for the people in the back who might not have heard. A PICNIC. IN LONDON TOWN. THE FIRST WEEKEND OF JULY. >From what I gather, the demon drink manages to sneak its evil way into these affairs, so it'll be a Pissed In Camden NIC. I can't be bothered to think of words starting with N, I and C, so anyone who's got the imagination is welcome to. hoNey's International Children, maybe, but I think that's stretching it a bit far. I'm sure no one needs much of an excuse to attend an afternoon of fun and frolics in the park, but here's one reason you should come: it'll be almost exactly a month after the Greenwich one, so everyone will have had plenty of time to recover from the last picnic. And we can do our bit to keep the local public houses in business afterwards. Just in case anyone's forgotten, there's going to be A PICNIC IN LONDON and EVERYONE should show up. All that shouting's made me hoarse. I'll let you in on a little secret. Struan can't spell. So when he says "dream of horses" he means "dream of hoarses". And that Judy - she doesn't exist. Struan made her up to cover up the fact that he's the one dreaming of hoarses, and that hoarse person is me. We've been having a clandestine love affair, you see. It's more of a sex affair, really. The boy's insatiable. So Ian was right when he said the horses/hoarses were an obvious sexual metaphor. Struan thinks of little else. The only part of the affair I don't like is picking up the phone to hear "Hello. It's Mrs Murdoch here. Stuart's mum." It sends shivers up and down my spine, and not the nice kind. The woman is just so bloody critical. I think Stuart tells her everything. She hasn't shown her face on the list for a while, though, and I'm beginning to get worried. Are you out there, Mrs Murdoch? One more time, for the people who were staring out the window daydreaming before: London picnic. Remember it. Natasha xx _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tim.mcgregor at xxx.net Tue Jun 8 21:06:27 1999 From: tim.mcgregor at xxx.net (Tim McGregor) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:06:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Japan & Cliff Message-ID: <000e01beb1ef$4d24a5a0$013da8c2@default> Hello there :) About a month ago somebody asked about Japanese B&S fans I think, and becasue I write to one, I thought I'd tell you all some stuff about B&S in Japan....Well, they're called 'Belleseba' by the Japanese fans, and their record company's trying to get all the EPs released on one CD, so it'll sell a wee bit better over there. That's all I know really, but, better than nothin. And about Gay Dad, well Cliff in partic, who used me to manipulate his career! They played in Belfast about a month ago, and nobody warmed to them when they started playing. So my friends and myself jumped about a bit, and were basically Gay Dad's biggest fans on the night. I waved to Cliff gave him the thumbs up, and he said I should get my hair cut. Thanks. Then he threw his coke can at me, jumped into the crowd and started singing at me/pushing me a bit; jumped onto the stage again to finish the song, and called me a wanker! At that point I shouted 'Fuck You', which, if you read the interview in Select this month, got changed about quite a bit. I'm the 'misguided youth'. I still haven't picked up my pre-orderd copy of the album yet. Grr. and Carsmile Steve is soooooo right about Suede and Hepburn! A Glastonbury sinister meet-up would be ace, are many of you going? I'm looking forward to a 13 hour bus journey to get there.... Oh, Darragh, I live near Belfast, but I can't go there for a while, as a big heavy metaller guy's going to beat me up becaue I look like a puff, slagged of his mate, and don't like Slayer. I'm away to moan about getting beaten up. Bye! Tim +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MWaggner at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 23:18:40 1999 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:18:40 EDT Subject: Sinister: "someone had to do it, you knew it was up to me" Message-ID: (Ok, I apologize, but there are people expecting this of me....) >The beach was deserted, except for some kelp... >which, in my world, is a very funny line from a Dylan song featured in >'Don't look back' (especially when said in sing-song Dylan accent). However, in the parallel but real world, that line was actually wirtten in 1974-1975 (and is in the song 'Sara' on the album 'Desire.' 'Don't Look Back' was filmed during Dylan's tour of the UK in 1966. Course, he was pretty fucked up on various substances throughout so he might have had a flashforward... Ok, Johnfm? And you just hush, Tim P!O!Pkins, or I'll send the Jefferson Boxkite over your house. --michele "Alias anything you like" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Tue Jun 8 23:24:46 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:24:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Why does noone talk about the Lilac Time on this list anymore? In-Reply-To: <375D4A24.8054972B@student.paisley.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Ailsa Ross wrote: > Book recommendations (I've never done this before, but hell, I've got > lots of B&S content, so I can do this too, yes?). "Making History" by > Stephen Fry. It's funny, it's educational, it's far too bloody clever > for it's own good, and it confirms my belief that Stephen Fry is one of > the greatest human beings in the world today. Would now be a good time to name-drop and say that Stephen Fry went to my college? No, didn't think so. It has to be said, it is a pretty poor claim to fame for me, along with the fact that ex-England rugby captain Will Carling went to my school. I must be able to do better than that. On second thoughts, sod it, I think it's much more interesting to have a completely obscure and tenuous claim to fame - like the fact that Rory McGrath (off 'The Think It's All Over', a TV show which will mean absolutely nothing to non-Brits) lives 2 minutes walk away from here, and I see him out jogging in the mornings. Although still not as good as a friend of mine from the other side of Cambridge who has just discovered that he lives over the road from the drummer from Katrina And The Waves (Walking On Sunshine, Eurovision winners 1997). You can keep your poxy nights down the pub with Stevie Jackson, this is true celebrity... > I've even set aside my money for the kissing booth too... There's a kissing booth at Bowlie 2? Right, in that case, I'm going... I'll have to go in disguise though, so people don't run away. Maybe I'll resurrect my Tim Hopkins outfit that I wore last time (damn, that's let the cat out of the bag). > Struan and Stevie are expected to be busking to entertain the queue > forming for the charms of that nice Mr Trousers and his horde of > admirers. Oh no all his votes are from the same person aren't they? > Why did Warrender John get all his votes taken off him when it was > found out that he had been voted for ten times for the same person but > Trousers' 25 votes remain intact? Hmmmm. Because Trousers is bigger than me and I'm scared of him. (Actually, that first bit's a lie. Although I'm told he is bigger than me where it counts.) Incidentally, since a few people have asked, no I don't know who's voted for who; but I can check the IP addresses the votes came from and see when they're all the same. So unless you are voting from somewhere like, say, firewall at hitentertainment.co.uk, you're perfectly anonymous... (I still don't know who's been voting for me, so if anyone fancies owning up I'll promise undying love. Or failing that, a quick snog behind the bikesheds.) Oh, and every now and then on the list someone complains that people keep writing about meetups with other sinisterines, and that they don't care, and that it's very cliquey or whatever. Well I'd just like to balance that by saying that I enjoy reading about the various picnics round the world. So there. Right, confession time. When I was at a party on Saturday night, very drunk off scrumpy and absinthe (which don't mix as well as might be hoped), I was caught kissing a good friend's girlfriend, while he was in the room next door. So what the hell should I say to them next time I see either of them? Big Stu (Who would recount tales of bullying during his schooldays, but you'd be either too bored to read them or too depressed by them to get to the end) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 23:40:56 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:40:56 -0700 Subject: Sinister: THIS IS MOST HILARIOUS...... Message-ID: <000601beb1ff$f8bf0e40$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Okay - here you go.... How's this for making a total arse of yourself..... I was on a tour that the Foo Fighters were on, Dave Grohl is a HUGE Led Zeppelin fan. He knew a friend of mine and this friend was going to be there on the next stop of the tour. So I am hanging around with him and Pat Smear (this is JUST before he left the Foo's). We get to the site the next day and Dave goes to the guy in charge of backstage passes to get one for my friend so that he can see her. He really likes her. The guy tells him no, that there are only so many issued and due to tight security they won't hand anymore out. Dave then says: "Not even for Jimmy Page's daughter!?!" Said guy in charge promptly turned around and gave him a pass. We're walking away and I ask Dave who 'Jimmy Page' is. He literally fell over laughing. As I am sure you all are. I had met her dad and been to their house twice!!! I had no idea he was anyone other than her dad..... So, there I am trying to be the cool 'music photographer' and Dave Grohl name drops on ME - and I end up making a TOTAL arse of myself. How do you like them apples? See, even I have a sense of humor. So, you can all just step aside with your famous neighbors and the like. I met the man, had NO idea who he was - my friend had never mentioned it and since I do not require my friends to have famous parents, how the hell was I supposed to know. Talk about a humbling moment..... Just thought that story would make you all laugh at me... as much as I laugh at myself for it! Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 23:58:44 1999 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 15:58:44 PDT Subject: Sinister: soxy teachers and chaletz Message-ID: <19990608225846.67860.qmail@hotmail.com> hullo list! Erlend feared the falling in love with gorgeous substitute teacher syndrome: Let me elaborate! ha ha..goodness it isn`t EVERY subsitute teacher or teacher, our ex VP is actually quite grody,always staring at your boobs,no one likes HIM,but anyways, substitute teachers are lovely first of all because they know that they basically don`t have power over you (sorry,but we students and teachers have this silent agreement) they know they are only there for a few days while that teacher is sick and that you just aren`t going to do ANY work. Well,some of the mean ones expect you to..but luscious Mr.Kincaid would simply drift from his Globe & Mail newspaper and just go `Just LOOK like you`re doing work,you don`t actually have to do it.` He has that whole Ewan Macgregor look goin on,plus he`s funny... he doesn`t look old at all.But he ignores most of the time,which also drives you nuts,so it kinda of becomes a contest,to be his favourite and everything. Plus,he`s such a wondrous male in comparison to the other males (the boys) you have to see all day.My little dream was for him to drive out on the soccer field on his motorcycle and kiss me RIGHT IN FRONT of all those moronic boys,and then drive off into the sunset...ha ha! Gosh he`s beautiful. if anyone out there is a teacher, how on earth do you deal with this sort of >thing on a regular basis? well,honestly and truthfully,you`ll have to be REALLY REALLY mean,the kind that makes you do work.Sends you down to the principal`s office on first warning, raises your voice..but then you`ll have the reputation as the hated one and then they`ll get REALLY irritating on you,if your classes are anything like mine,you do NOT want to feel the wrath. Chalet Girls! Yes,I DO dishes! I can clean and cook as well.Just let me sleep in your bathtub,or floor anything. And when I make cupcakes I put M&M`s on top. Speaking of Bowlie,I just looked at those ocean photos...wow,the beach photos look really lovely! Captured the moment I`d say (even though I wasn`t there) and all my old longing has resurfaced again. Beaches..just the thought on a hot day like this.Floating around on little inflatable tubes while Mr.Kincaid,the poolguy fetches me exotic iced drinks. I love that Kilmanorck B&S advert...it almost looks fake,like from an album or something...geez,why is it that everything B&S do looks so artistic? That Stu D is quite artistic too..that one picture where he`s kneeling with that nun or something all wrapped up in paper. Pretty In Pink..I feel like I`ve talked about this movie a lot on here! Her prom dress was really ugly..high fashion my butt. I like the `Try A Little Tenderness` dancey bit. Oh Otis..mm mmmm love,genevieve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From punka at xxx.uk Tue Jun 8 23:54:56 1999 From: punka at xxx.uk (John Kerr) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:54:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: happy days Message-ID: <001901beb201$f3bcca20$989293c3@GI.NET> I've been happily singing along to TBWTAS, out of key, ever since September. However, I've not really been singing quite what I should, I was kinda' upset to discover that in 'A Summer Wasting' what I thought was 'you have the Perth scene everything will be fine' was 'you heard the birds say everything will be fine'. OK, so I'm hardly adding to the great B&S lyrics debate, but it made me laugh for, oh at least 20 seconds. ps. why is 'Race For The Prize' on 'The Soft Bulletin' twice, the only difference I could tell was one was a wee bit shorter than the other. oh well, talking to 1000 strangers must be some sort of positive therapy in someone's book. JFK. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Wed Jun 9 06:45:47 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 22:45:47 PDT Subject: Sinister: Just for the sake of seeing my name on the crush list. Message-ID: <19990609054547.29706.qmail@hotmail.com> Welly. Had a jobinterview yesterday. I think it's a well known fact that in that kind of a situation you start to stutter, your palms sweat and your face becomes all red. Or is it just me? Don't think so, we all do that. I hate it when they ask you about your good/bad sides. If I come up with 3 good things and 7 bad things about my personality, should I tell the truth to them and just confess I'm a bit lazy? Well I didn't. Honesty is not always the best policy. 25 applicants for the job: an assistant for an assistant. Wee. What I should do there, if I get that job: Copy papers, use Microsoft Excel (which is the worst and dullest program in the world) and MSWord, take quests around the building and show where all the classrooms are (it's a school). Well, lets see what the future brings to my reach. Btw, I'm on the sinister photosection now. The first one to vote for me gets a prize. Honestly. If you don't like my "how we are now" picture, atleast take some time to check out my "as we were" pic. Hope I'd still have that woolenshirt I'm wearing in that one. It had this autograph in front that said "Elvis Presley", just above my left nipple. I was rocking then, now I'm just a gentle thinker. Really, I am. Sorry, I have absolutely nothing to say. @--->--- a rose, love and other stuff that makes you feel funny in your tummy, Jake. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Wed Jun 9 08:37:22 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 03:37:22 EDT Subject: Sinister: Summer Adventures to be had Message-ID: For those of you who can't wait for Bowlie 2 there is another pop festival that might be of interest this summer in Olympia Washington. Passes are $50 and bands include : Negitivland, Mecca Normal, Marine Research, IQU, Dub Narcotic Sound System, the Sub-Debs, Rebecca Pearcy, the Prima Donnas, the Make Up, the Mt. Goats, Sleater-Kinney, the Tight Bros From Way Back When, the Cannanes, the Donnas, C Average, the Need, the Serum Greys, Mirah, Mary Timony, Nova Scotia, the Microphones, Old Time Relijun, Quasi, Ramstead, the Crabs, the Evaporators, the Goblins, Two Ton Boa, Loud Machine 0.5, Dead Moon, Bratmobile, Thrones, Miranda July, Red Monkey, the Polar Bears/Evil Tambourines, Cadilaca, Bonfire Madigan, Mocket, Loud Machine, 764-Hero The official guide is at http://www.olywa.net/yoyo/ and my friend Dante's guide is at http://www.olywa.net/dante/yoyo I'll be there but can't take any more boarders for the week so you're on your own for housing. >Right, confession time. When I was at a party on Saturday night, very >drunk off scrumpy and absinthe (which don't mix as well as might be >hoped), I was caught kissing a good friend's girlfriend, while he was in >the room next door. So what the hell should I say to them next time I see >either of them? well she's a bit at fault too and you were both drunk. i would apologize to both of them. these things happen. isn't it sad to be on the mistake side instead of the jealousy side? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mollerenshaw at xxx.com Tue Jun 8 22:18:25 1999 From: mollerenshaw at xxx.com (Mark Ollerenshaw) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:18:25 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Cheltenham Message-ID: <000d01beb260$8da72aa0$948bcdc2@ollerenshaw.connect2.co.uk> Hello again, I'll be staying in Cheltenham (that's the UK version, in case any international readers live near a similarly named town in a different country) over the summer for 9 weeks starting in about 3 weeks time, and was wondering whether anyone could recommend any nice little bars, pubs or suitably twee locations in which I can spend all my spare time/hard earned cash, listen to some relatively decent music, and perhaps even organise a meet up? Contact me privately, if you're feeling in a generous kind of mood and want to help. Sorry for wasting everyone's time... Mark O "Keeping an open mind is a virtue - but not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cbtun1 at xxx.au Wed Jun 9 13:40:58 1999 From: cbtun1 at xxx.au (cbtun1 at xxx.au) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:40:58 +1000 Subject: Sinister: Australian tour rumours... Message-ID: <6B4AD9354F8@MFS05.cc.monash.edu.au> G'day all, I know I am not supposed to post scurrilous rumours, though this is not scurrilous, and I do not want to get any fellow Australian fans' hopes up, however I heard that Arab Strap and B&S could be coming our way... I wonder if David and Katrina have knowledge to this effect or tentative plans... Please fulfill my fantasy... Hi to Jason, Allison, Sue, Jacqui, Jacki, and Daniel... fellow Melbournites at our "picinic"... and Erin Bye In the rotation... Luna - Days of Our Nights, Underground Lovers - Cold Feeling, and Pernice Brothers. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Wed Jun 9 14:18:30 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 14:18:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Just a quickie (ooh, matron) Message-ID: <375E69A6.5FAA801E@student.paisley.ac.uk> Can people stop asking me for tapes now? Everyone who wrote thus far is getting one (I'm in the middle of writing to you all now) and I can't do any more or my stereo will probably explode, though expect share prices in TDK to go up as I buy a mountain of blank tapes. Only cos you've all offerd me nice tapes in return though :) There will be tapes going to the States and to some European people too, so I guess it's up to them if they want to offer to tape them for people a bit more local to them. Someone mentioned to me about doing a tape tree, but I'll leave it up to him if he wants to organise that :) Sorry about anyone else that wants tapes, but I just can't do any more I don't think. It's someone else's shot now, but I reckon I am doing 14 copies now, and I know Nick has sent some to people too, so they are multiplying over the world. Oh, and to clarify, there's not a *real* kissing booth at All Tomorrow's parties, unless Trousers feels like splashing his cash in order to procure the services of that nice Mr Dastoor again. It's all lies, I tell you. Just ignore me. They're probably not going anyway. Though lots of you are, aren't you? Big Stu confessed: > When I was at a party on Saturday night, very > drunk off scrumpy and absinthe (which don't mix as well as might be > hoped), I was caught kissing a good friend's girlfriend, while he was in > the room next door. So what the hell should I say to them next time I see > either of them? Well it depends if you kissed her or she kissed you. If she kissed you, then you call her a slag and tell your mate his girlfriend's not good enough for him. If you kissed her, leave the country. Watch Eastenders this week for tips on how to steal money and run out the back door while big scarey blokes come looking for you at the front door. Though of course you could deny all knowledge, blaming your defective memory on two of the worst beverages known to man. Except El Dorado, buckfast, MD20/20 and all the other things that people hanging around Paisley after dark all drink. But they don't (presumably) have the privilege of an Oxbridge education, I don't know, bloody students, kids today etc etc (as an old curmudgeonly ex-student sort for all of two weeks, I get to be all patronising now. I'm just jealous cos Cambridge didn't want me) Oh, and I would talk loads about the Lilac Time if I thought anyone was in the slightest bit interested. Thread content: Stephen Duffy was once in Duran Duran. What goes around, comes around, as wise old people sometimes say. Not me, I'm not wise though. Or really that old. Honest. Ailsa xx P.S. I lied. Richard Colburn *does* use the word "twee" in the B&S documentary. But it's in a disparaging way. Mick Cooke also says that B&S merely write nice songs with nice tunes. When we all know it's a little bit more than that :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From acook at xxx.uk Wed Jun 9 14:20:46 1999 From: acook at xxx.uk (Alasdair Cook MS1996) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 14:20:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Glasgow meet-up (AGAIN? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!) Message-ID: <375E6A2D.DA71DF10@cs.strath.ac.uk> Hello, I'm here to apologise profusely to all non-Glasgow people but to say that a few of us are meeting in Glasgow at the 13th Note on Thursday at 6pm, and possibly watching Whistler in that self-same establishment, or just sitting and getting drunk as usual, whatever's your cup of thrills really. Please come along and make us all look like we have friends, or at least occassional aquaintances. If you've never been to one of these silly meeting things before, just come in and say "HELLO, I'M A BELLE AND SEBASTIAN FAN. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS LIKE ME ON THE PREMISES?" in an extremely loud voice, and we'll be the ones hiding our faces in our pints. It really is that simple. Oh, and on the thread of celebrity moments, I once stood behind former Really Wild Show presenter Terry Nutkins in a motorway service station queue. Not bad, eh? Alasdair xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Wed Jun 9 15:17:22 1999 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:17:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Just a quick jube-jube for the train Message-ID: <003301beb282$cb73a940$56d6b0c2@default> Hello everyone... I'm in a very happy frame of mind today as I got an unconditional offer for Glasgow College Of Commerce... I'm doing HND Social Sciences. If any sinisterines are going to be there after the summer, let me know and we can all harass the student union together.... Is anyone going to see GodspeedYBE at G2 in July? - I'd love to go, but I'd like someone to go with, as none of my friends are even slightly interested in trying anything new :( I tried to convert a friend to liking B&S, I played him Sinister, Arab Strap and LLPJ then asked his opinion. He said he didn't like them. I asked why, and he came out with possibly the most in-depth and definative reason I've ever heard .... "They're shite." That's it, that was his reason. He doesn't know why they're shite, they just are.... *sigh* Any sinisterines living in Cumbernauld? - it seems to have the highest population of neds and lowest twee count in the world..... I will make to a Glasgow meet-up one day.... I promise :) I am 18 on July 5th, all presents and snogs gratefully recieved ;) See y'all when the sun shines once more...... byeeee! -- Jason Andreas -- The Romantic Scotsman -- -- The original owner of a broken heart -- { jasonandreas at breathemail.net } -- contact me ... oh yes! -- -- Spammers WILL be shot... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From igh1 at xxx.uk Wed Jun 9 15:26:02 1999 From: igh1 at xxx.uk (Ian Hatcher) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:26:02 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: Sinister: Just a quick jube-jube for the train In-Reply-To: <003301beb282$cb73a940$56d6b0c2@default> Message-ID: Jason said: > "They're shite." That's it, that was his reason. He > doesn't know why they're shite, they just are.... *sigh* I think B & S are one of those groups people either love or hate, there's no in-between. The general consensus amongst my friends about Sinister and TBWTAS (I could only fit those two onto a tape - has anyone ever noticed how perfectly B & S albums seem to fit onto 90 minute tapes? :-) and B & S in general is that I should "stop listening to that country-folk music bollocks." Perhaps I should start listening to the likes of Shed 7 with the rest of them . . . or perhaps not. :-) Ian. ------------------ Ian Hatcher igh1 at ukc.ac.uk Rutherford JCC Ents #1 Tune into the Albino Squirrel Show every Thursday 2-4pm on UKCR "The clock may not mean much to rabbits and owls Depending on darkness and light." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alan.singfield at xxx.com Wed Jun 9 15:56:27 1999 From: alan.singfield at xxx.com (Alan Singfield) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:56:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: **** B&S COMPETITION **** Message-ID: <6357CBA4ECC4D211A67C00805FD787D7065C85@shuban.isoftplc.com> WIN THREE DOZEN FREE RANGE EGGS WITH BELLE AND SEBASTIAN! Has anyone seen those *fantastic* videos that Karaeoke machines have to distract you when you are reading the words? The lyrics of the song are taken entirely at face value, and converted to three-minute videos with a complete absence of abstraction. This is what I saw for Pulp's Common People: This neddish (common-people-looking) couple are dancing around in their woodchip-wallpapered flat, which, the camera has imaginatively panned up to, to show it is above a shop. They have neatly-cut hair. Night falls. A cockroach climbs the wall. She opens her address book at the "DAD" page, and looks concernedly at the telephone. Et cetera, et cetera. Anyway, my B&S competition is: The prize of 3 dozen free range eggs is on offer to whoever can produce a Kareoke video to Lazy Line Painter Jane that you could show to your grandmother. The (slightly contradictory) rules are: 1. No skipping out lines or verses just because they have rude words in. Or using st*rs or anything like that. 2. Skip out lines or verses you can't think of anything funny for. 3. My grandmother will be used as the datum of grandmotherly decency. She has been pushing up daisies for the last 40 years. 4. You should post your entry to the sinister list. 5. You can vote for your favourite by emailing me with "eggs" in the subject line. 6. I will be at All Tomorrows Parties, so the winner can collect the eggs there. Just think of those lovely omelettes... Spanners. >--< IMPORTANT! For comfortable and safe use, please read the Safety & Comfort guide. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From simonw at xxx.uk Wed Jun 9 15:52:41 1999 From: simonw at xxx.uk (Simon Warner) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:52:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: It feels like I've been in every single bargain basement bin (to the tune of the "funky" track 'Disco Down') Message-ID: Does anyone remember when Shed 7 and Oasis started out at the same time? - The press were saying who'll be the biggest and Rick Witter said Oasis will do OK but Shed 7 will last the test of time and be more successful... Well, you're still around I suppose... Chumley :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Wed Jun 9 15:40:24 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (katrina house) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:40:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Australian tour rumours... References: <6B4AD9354F8@MFS05.cc.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: <375E7CD8.3FDB2BFA@jeepster.co.uk> hello, the voice of disappointment looms ... i wish to god that b&s were going to australia, but there is no news from here i must apologise. sorry :( cheers, katrina. cbtun1 at student.monash.edu.au wrote: > > G'day all, > I know I am not supposed to post scurrilous rumours, though this > is not scurrilous, and I do not want to get any fellow Australian > fans' hopes up, however I heard that Arab Strap and B&S could be > coming our way... I wonder if David and Katrina have knowledge to > this effect or tentative plans... > Please fulfill my fantasy... > > Hi to Jason, Allison, Sue, Jacqui, Jacki, and Daniel... fellow > Melbournites at our "picinic"... and Erin > > Bye > > In the rotation... > Luna - Days of Our Nights, Underground Lovers - Cold Feeling, and > Pernice Brothers. > > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". 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WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fatslug at xxx.com Wed Jun 9 17:49:19 1999 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 09:49:19 -0700 Subject: Sinister: I lost my heart to a starship trooper Message-ID: Hello folks, Michael stirred me out of my slumber by saying: > Anyway, since I'm stuck in this god awful half of the country (no > offence) is there anyone who has a Michael-shaped space on their > floor that I could sleep after A Night of Tigermilking? I'm only > little and don't take up much space (if references are required > I'm sure the infamous Kevan will testify I don't smell too bad). Michael smells like rotting cabbages, has a nervous condition which results in a compulsion to lick stranger's faces and sings "I lost my heart to a starship trooper" in his sleep. Don't let that put you off though - he's a great guy, and I'm sure he's sorted out his incontinence problem by now. So that's Tigermilky this Friday upstairs at The Garage in London this Friday featuring a night of Belle and Sebastian songs and assorted Sinister DJs until 3am upstairs at the Garage that you're referring to is it? That sounds like FUN. (Will that do Mark?) Mark O said: > I'll be staying in Cheltenham (that's the UK version, in case any > international readers live near a similarly named town in a different > country) over the summer for 9 weeks starting in about 3 weeks time You don't play bass do you? I hear there's a band round those parts looking for a bass player. Try and get to Prinknash Abbey while you're there, the deer eat out of your hand for extra bonus twee points. Kevan The Fat Slug Have you Rooled? http://www.roolz.ukf.net/ *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cchaffin at xxx.org Wed Jun 9 18:29:25 1999 From: cchaffin at xxx.org (Christa Chaffinch) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 13:29:25 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Freedom: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Posts About Picnics Message-ID: Here is a quick reminder to anyone who had forgotten, or never knew about the DC sinister picnic this Saturday, June 12. Its going to be in Rock Creek Park at picnic grove #9, from 4pm to dark. It'll be a potluck, since its right around dinner time... so bring food and bevvies and games or whatever. I think there may even be a croquet set there, and the effervescent Tom is going to supply us with a box with which to amplify compact discs. Isn't that right Tom? Come one, come all. I'm sure it'll be a blast. Photos of listees in compromising situations are sure to follow, so if you're not there, don't fret. It'll feel like you were. and you will, Christa *hi to LJ, jessicaxo, Cynthia, Ian/Sarah and honey, who will all be there in spirit. :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Wed Jun 9 21:40:35 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:40:35 -0700 Subject: Sinister: horses, movies, Peej, hesse, tigermilk, DC, gobetweens, and masturbation. Message-ID: <002701beb2b8$5469d0a0$4411020a@rebelstrange> chris mcquain: Polly Jean looks drop-dead cool in it, though, and it's only an hour long, so if you do the Peej you may be interested in seeing it just for that. yeah. i'm not much of a film connoiseur, i rarely have time for movies. they bore me to death mostly, and i constantly find things to criticise, probably a result of growing up on Mystery science theater. Basically i just wanna gawk at the coolness of polly jean, in hopes of someday attaining such an aura of magnificence. and i just think it's neat she's playing mary magdalene. ian brings up the specter of sexual horses again, and dreaming of them. i tend to go for versatility in meanings. i think judy could be dreaming of freedom, and fancy--something of the innocence she's lost. little girls love horses. but there coudl also be that freudian sexual aspect to it. maybe she's looking for a way to bring that REAL joy and innocence to her sexuality and relationships now, they seem to have been fairly disappointing. she did it with a boy, but not much else is said, so i dont' get the feeling she really found it that interesting. she mostly stays by herself. Ironically, i just woke this morning from a dream of horses. they were on my mother's pasture. there was a white one, Japanese Gypsy. and a young filly. and a darker one, Black Galaxy. they all jumped upon me with their hooves on my shoulders, and nipped at my hands. they were rather flighty and naughty. i wanted very badly to ride one of them out in the beautiful woods--the sky was blue on one side, and black clouds and a gold sunset were on the other, but they were not well trained yet for me to ride. so i didn't ask. can i say yet again that i despise all John Hughes movies and molly ringwald, andrew mccarthy and all of those tools should have been dropped in a deep deep well long long ago?? i have my gentle waves wallpaper up. now every time i turn on my computer, my face shrinks up and hearts come up from my eyes, and i squeal "AWWW!!" and little bluebirds flit around my head chirping joyful tunes. tulips spring from stones, and babbling brooks break the desert sands with silver fish catching the rainbow rays of the jolly sun. then Lesley Rankine growls like a tiger and starts going at men's crotches with her machete. Yeah!!! (teehee, i love Ruby) mm yes. on the subject of book recommendations, since i can't recommend any movies (but todd solondz YESS) i read another Hermann Hesse book, _the Prodigy_. kind of depressing i spose, but i really liked it. it has BOYS KISSING!!! heehee. it's incredibly Sinister actually. it has a young boy who attends theological school in the pastoral countryside. he spends a summer wasting, and reads the gospel to himself, and the first time he kisses a girl he gets terrified and runs off. it's so b&s stuart could have written a song about it. thanks to JaMeS, i was recently introduced to the Go-Betweens. acutally they sounded different than i expected. sometimes they make me think i'm listening to James (the group, not the lovely lad who loves 'Bel as much as i). but they're pretty good. and chances are, i was listening to the radio one day and heard a song "bye bye pride" i knew i recognized. but DAMN it sounded like James. and then the guy said it was go-betweens. D'OH!! but my favorite is still Felt, strange idol patterns. that name was in my dream last night. Felt is wonderful, especially the older ones where there wasn't as much keyboard, i spose that's before the Duffy guy joined. or something. i just tho't of a movie i liked--Angels and Insects. I liked it rather. Let's have some solo love-pleasuring stories. Go on... you first... *gasplutter* me? you want ME to go first??? good sir. i beg of you. do NOT compel me to idleness, yes desperation is the devils work, it is the folly of a girl's mind that is not *exactly* empty, but filled with vacant longings for an artgirl with beautiful arms........... on another note, i did anagrams for stuart murdoch, and the best one that came up was "Oh, curt arm stud!" I'd have to agree with the rake Michael about tigermilk. i only have a crappy tape of it. and it blows my mind constantly. i won't go inot it too much, it could take hours and stuff. MAYBE i might be in DC for the Looper show. we're making plans at the moment. cos i wanna see magnetic fields, and my buxom bandmate christa wants to party.l so maybe i'll see you DCinisters sometime. rock on, rock of ages. Love bites. Rocket. kay i think i'll go now. i dont' have a car today so i'm stuck indoors writing to you losers. *sigh* and dreaming of the time i can settle down with a nice girl for the rest of my life. i think it would suit me quite well. *in love is so tough on my emotions* --the raincoats LJ http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange they were like those gauche youths who turn up to house parties only to cling to the dark corners in chaste disdain, driven by the naive, vaguely inhuman conviction that all merriment is a lie. SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ussher at xxx.ca Wed Jun 9 20:38:03 1999 From: ussher at xxx.ca (allen) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: You work in the movie shop, putting the poster up, dreamin' of , Anakin... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There's indirect B&S content towards the end, so hang in there! On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Simon Warner wrote: > Hello there! I'm one of those newbie nursery people who've broken loose... > I'm nursing a Paula Cullen Booze Explosion "amps-turned-up-to-11" hangover > today, so it'll be (relatively) painless... > > Imagine a job where you have nothing to do all day except for listen to CDs > and muck around with E-mails and the 'net, as I believe the kids are calling > it these days... Imagined? Good - that's what I do. 9-5. 'Tsa tough life. > What I'm actually supposed to being at work is far too boring to talk about > on this big chatty-room thing, though. Just trying to let you know that if > you write an E-mail and you think "God that's crap, everyone'll be so bored > they won't read anything I'll do ever again", fret not, 'cos, hey, I care :) Hey, that sounds like every day for me! :) I'm here at work 9-5 daily, reading and writing emails, and once in a while getting some work done. It was a LOT worse last year though when I worked at a different company. My supervisor gave me barely ANYTHING to do and I just sat around surfing the 'net and whatnot. I'd tell my friends this and they'd think I was the luckiest guy in the world, but NO it is utterly boring. It's a lot more fun if they give you interesting work. And you get guiltly once in a while for doing absolutely nothing all day and getting paid... > The last two weeks of silence have been great not only 'cos you didn't have > to put up with me, but because just sitting here reading all the E-mails has > led me to the Buena Vista Social Club - good recommendation, whoever that > was. So, here's a book mention... Try "The Diving Bell & Butterfly" - if you > don't have great patience for reading, it's not very long, due to the fact > it was dictated using only the blinking of one eye. Which is pretty > fantastic in itself, but the book's even better. It's not small enough for > the tube, alas... I haven't read that, but this gives me a chance to plug one of my faves... Has anyone read "The Happy Mutant Handbook"? It's a must for those culture-jamming/subvert-the-dominant-paradigm/do-it-yourself/fuck-the-system types. :) It's a great collection of mind-blowing articles from the zine bOING bOING (which I have never read, but will name-drop nonetheless). If anybody is bored at work, you are welcome to check out a comic strip I do for my uni. It's at the following address: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Chateau/9889/ And there is B&S content. If you click on the sketch of Judy (of the Dream of Horses variety) you will be sent to the B&S website. So you don't even NEED a bookmark for the B&S site, just bookmark mine! :) And look for the cleverly hidden B&S references in the strip. (No one has yet mentioned them to me at my uni.) And one final thing. Does anyone here listen to April March? I picked up her new CD last week and think it's great! It was a tad too tw** at first, but soon started to grow on me. ciao! Allen (ICQ: #35152981) -- "Long afloat on shipless oceans I did all my best to smile Till your singing eyes and fingers Drew me loving to your isle." -- Song to the Siren, Tim Buckley. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.EDU Wed Jun 9 22:14:34 1999 From: ynoh at xxx.EDU (Youn Jong Noh) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: the loneliness of a middle-aged spinster (i.e. DELETE) In-Reply-To: <375E69A6.5FAA801E@student.paisley.ac.uk> Message-ID: The choir: Could someone please give me their opinion on some lines from "Slow Graffiti"? Now the kid has gone to bed A feeling of dread At least when she's around the trouble's there It's worse to wake up with her falling round the room I first thought these lines were about a mother caring for a child (at the learning to walk stage), but are they actually about Johnny and a girl who's falling for other reasons? On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Ailsa Ross wrote: > Oh, and I would talk loads about the Lilac Time if I thought anyone was > in the slightest bit interested. Thread content: Stephen Duffy was > once in Duran Duran. What goes around, comes around, as wise old people > sometimes say. Not me, I'm not wise though. Or really that old. > Honest. The confessional: I am 27 years old. I liked Duran Duran in 5th & 6th grade. (That was my first concert that Tara was referring to, but I was embarrassed mostly on account of my age, not the band.) I used to save my lunch money (quarters) and buy Japanese import Duran Duran books with my sister, but it was like that Simpsons rerun where they buy a comic book together. There was a record store behind Toys R Us in my neighborhood called Best Records that later became Tempo Records (a chain that may no longer exist) and the sales people were very intimidating. (This is a complement: they were actually as I picture you, Genevieve.) My sister was madly in love with John Taylor, but I much preferred Nick Heyward of Haircut 100. (I still remember from a Smash Hits interview that his favorite foods were oranges and oatmeal and his favorite film "To Kill a Mockingbird". Where have all the magazines like Smash Hits gone? Could anyone good at deciphering lyrics make out the words to "Milkfarm" on their first album? Dear Lesley Jo, Have you heard a Go-Betweens song called "The Clarke Sisters"? It's magnificent. The line that ends "... and the softball groans" - stillness and motion together. And there's a line "the middle sister gets her period blood/ the flood of love, the flood of love", but I always thought it was "the slut of love, the slut of love", which makes sense if you consider that these girls (women?) are living with their father in the back of a bookstore, so what do they know?) The puzzling thing is that Simon Le Bon is supposed to have been associated with this label called Teen Beat which put out stuff by Unrest. I find this hard to believe. I guess taste and talent have nothing to do with each other. The altar: Yesterday I watched "Two English Girls" at the library. It was beautiful - the English countryside and Paris interiors (to live in a room with walls painted red or blue and paintings and heavy furniture!) - and full of quotable lines like "Happiness is known only afterwards" (but I always get words wrong). Holding hands while riding bicycles looks like quite a challenge, as anyone who saw "Les Mistons" should remember, but I guess it relieves the monotony, not to mention clammy palms. Sincerely yours, Maggie Smith's character in "A Room with a View" aka Young John, the squire of the Hon. S. Murdoch +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Wed Jun 9 22:42:05 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:42:05 -0700 Subject: Sinister: slow graffitti Message-ID: <000801beb2c0$eafa74e0$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Youn Jong Noh asked: The choir: Could someone please give me their opinion on some lines from "Slow Graffiti"? Now the kid has gone to bed A feeling of dread At least when she's around the trouble's there It's worse to wake up with her falling round the room The song was written for a particular part of the Acid House - a book by Irvin Welsh that was made into a movie. The book is several short stories, the one Slow Graffiti relates to is called 'Soft Touch'. Without going into too much detail about it the story is about a couple - the guy is named Johny. His 'wife' is sleeping with the bloke upstairs. She is always coming in late - in the movie she has been prostituting herself for cash - falling all over the place and waking him up. Then she ends up having a NASTY affair with the bloke upstairs - none of these people have a great amount of money or morals, if you know what I mean. The part of the movie that actually uses 'Slow Graffiti' is where Johny is downstairs listening to his 'wife' take it violently up the backside by the bloke upstairs. The baby they have is awake and crying. And he is trying to console both the child and himself. Later, for his troubles, the bloke upstairs and the 'wife' kick his head in and rob him. It's very grafic, but also a great movie/book. Irvin used music by Arab Strap and the Delgadoes - both bands wrote music specifically for portions of the movie where it would be used. So, there you go. Slow Graffiti is, in my humble opinion, one of the best songs B&S ever wrote. Anyway, hope that answers your question.... Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Wed Jun 9 23:07:31 1999 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:07:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I lost my heart to Jefferson Starship Message-ID: <17Xx+AAjWuX3Ew5i@send.demon.co.uk> Hello, OK the subject header's a complete lie, but I've been drinking to forget, something about England and football. Sorry, to other nationalities for mentioning football (I did score against Belle & Sebastian in the Bowlie 5 a side though, knocking them out. The boys were very gracious in defeat. Though I was playing for Camera Obscura. Sorry, yes I am scum.) Can you believe they had a celebrity football tournament in London the other week without inviting the reigning World champions of inept celebrity football. Anyway, back to subject header Jefferson Airplane are fantastic pop music in a way that, seemingly, Exeter City's fan's can never comprehend ("If You Feel" = wow). And back to normality who was looking for a bass player? Does a frustrated guitarist of many unsuccesful bands qualify? I have supported Brentford many times if that counts. I think the reason I was posting originaly was to ask whose playing on Friday at the Tigermilker Garage thing band wise, as I'm trying to get some friends to go. One of them is American ,to try and detract from the Anglo-centric theme. And to carry a theme on can I also mention Lilac Time too because they're great. I saw them with that berk Nigel Kennedy and Mark E Smith's ex of the Fall once in Twickenham of all places. They were great... (Has anyone got the Dr Robert album as I can't get it in suburbia? Is it as great as I imagine it i.e like a cross between the track he procduced on Beth Orton's "Central Reservation" and his last album? Here's hoping...) Besos y luego y, Te ra, Martin "If you feel like love make it like you feel like flying" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Wed Jun 9 23:23:23 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:23:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Goldfish Do Not Bounce In-Reply-To: <375E69A6.5FAA801E@student.paisley.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Ailsa Ross wrote: > Big Stu confessed: > > When I was at a party on Saturday night, very > > drunk off scrumpy and absinthe (which don't mix as well as might be > > hoped), I was caught kissing a good friend's girlfriend, while he was in > > the room next door. So what the hell should I say to them next time I see > > either of them? > > Well it depends if you kissed her or she kissed you. If she kissed you, > then you call her a slag and tell your mate his girlfriend's not good > enough for him. If you kissed her, leave the country. Well, sort of both really. And I wasn't exactly trying to stop her. But hey, I'm leaving the country on October 1st for about a year, so if I can only hold out until then... > Though of course you could deny all knowledge, blaming your defective > memory on two of the worst beverages known to man. Except El Dorado, > buckfast, MD20/20 and all the other things that people hanging around > Paisley after dark all drink. But they don't (presumably) have the > privilege of an Oxbridge education, I don't know, bloody students, kids > today etc etc (as an old curmudgeonly ex-student sort for all of two > weeks, I get to be all patronising now. I'm just jealous cos Cambridge > didn't want me) I rarely think of an Oxbridge education as a priviledge, more of a burden... You didn't miss much by not coming here, and ending up somewhere that has a decent social life & enough money left after you've paid the rent to afford it... (I'm just jealous cos Nottingham didn't want me...) > Oh, and I would talk loads about the Lilac Time if I thought anyone was > in the slightest bit interested. Thread content: Stephen Duffy was > once in Duran Duran. What goes around, comes around, as wise old people > sometimes say. Not me, I'm not wise though. Or really that old. > Honest. "The greatest wisdom is in knowing that you are not wise". I can't remeber who said that, but it sounds good. I don't think anyone's mentioned this yet, but I read somewhere (Select maybe?) that when Duglas was making the B&S documentary, he got so pissed off with Stuart M refusing to be interviewed that he threatened to disprove the myth about him being a former boxer by going round to his house and beating the crap out of him. And that Sarah agreed to do an interview, but only if she could wear a Darth Vader mask throughout... Anyone fancy offering me a job for the summer? Big Stu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Wed Jun 9 23:22:33 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:22:33 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Cue The Music! Message-ID: <199906091823_MC2-78CE-27B7@compuserve.com> Hi Film Fans, Who played drums during the Belle & Sebastian Bowliequeue gig? The bloke in Vicky's picture doesn't look like Mr Colburn (likeness gleaned at last from Brit acceptance pictures.) Big Stu wrote: So unless you are voting from somewhere like, say, firewall at hitentertainment.co.uk, you're perfectly anonymous. Hmmmmmm, was that you Mark, still peering through that fringe? Drove 450 miles yesterday & listened to about 6 hours of Mogwai: colleagues very puzzled as to why I have been alternately _whispering_ , THEN SHOUTING! all day today. Some of my sad celebrity moments: - I had lunch with Barnes Wallis once, - I have served tea to both Prince Charles & a Pope, - Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Charles Lamb (& Mark Thomas) all went to my school, - I played frisbee with Clive James in a student union hall years ago, - the drummer from Dire Straits nearly pissed down his own flare-clad leg laughing at me when my Afghan fell on the floor in a gents toilet once, - I chat to Damon Blur (... *sigh*)'s dad most Fridays & Evan Dando called me "Sir". Thanks to Michele for clearing up the Dylan lyrics business, so that I didn't have to. God, this is weak, Bye, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Thu Jun 10 00:39:52 1999 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:39:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Once and for all, theres no fooling with electricity. In-Reply-To: <19990608225846.67860.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19990608225846.67860.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Hello you lot, I'm planning a book. It will be based on my own experiences and will be mediocre as hell. A study in boredom. Based in the Preston branch of "Wilkinson Home and Garden", it follows the story of the assistant manager named Wilson, in the most mediocre life possible. He drives a Volkswagen golf and sits at home in the small Preston suburb of Lea drinking fine - but not brilliant - malt whiskey, lighting a cheap cigarette, and puts his face in his hands. Then he sighs, lifts his hand from his head, and picks up some paperwork. He goes to bed wearing paisely pyjamas. Are you bored and depressed yet? Good. I plan to write a novel based on experiences such as that. I'm listening to the Tindersticks. Beautiful. Wow. SO good! And what the hell is "Pretty in Pink" anyway? Is it some teen-wank musical? Admittedly I'm just going on a tenuous link to the "Pink Ladies" from Grease but never mind. You and your films. Wilsons favourite film will probably be "Look Who's Talking Too". NO! "Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistlestop Café". Oh Elle you are so daft - imagine not knowing Jimmy Page! And Dave Grohl and everyone else laughs at you. Golly. Harvey out of Hawkwind lives up a mountain just outside an average sized village in Preston. Shall I introduce you? He used to play acoustical guitar in slightly interesting coffee shops. But they've shut now. David Moore, Chelmsford, United Kingdom - the guy playing drums was some dude from Hefner - the Po Caff stars from way back when, when they were the latest big thing in some admittedly quite small ripples in puddles. (I've used admittedly twice, what a restricted vocabulary.) And comic celebrity moments? I don't know if its comedic, but I'm quite proud that someone who I didn't know signed my Miffy book and turns out he is from UBERTWEE popsters the Razorcutz. Har... I'll leave you now with the interesting fact that funk has replaced jazz as the dominant influence in drums and bass music. "Oh", I hear you all say. me voy ahora adios, Sarah xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From painbirds at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 02:48:17 1999 From: painbirds at xxx.com (Craig-Lee Thompson) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:48:17 PDT Subject: Sinister: high class gigs abound for Arab Strap... Message-ID: <19990610014817.52929.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello all (or should I say "G'day" in order to be culturally stereotypically correct??), Whilst watching the closing scenes from a show called 'The entertainment Biz: One night stand up; episode 2' on Australian cables 'Ovation' channel, I heard an unusual sound. The closing credits were rolling to Arab Straps 'The first big weekend' whilst the vocals had been predominantly removed as to allow George Burns to talk over the credits and music. To my mind this is a sign of a band on the up and I have no doubt that soon Arab Strap shall be touring with the likes of 'Ricky Martin' (I think that's the name, sickening thought any how)as the opening act, or maybe even George Burns (now that's entertainment)... Chris, I certainly hope these rumours of an Australian tour you are perpetuating come to fruition. Also, why do you have three of my c.d's in your rotation??? Goodnight and thank you, Craig-Lee ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 03:17:41 1999 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 19:17:41 -0700 Subject: Sinister: sinister minstrels In-Reply-To: <002701beb2b8$5469d0a0$4411020a@rebelstrange> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990609191741.02f15610@mail.hooked.net> eh ho sinisterinis... i'd like to make a list of all the folks on the list who are actually in bands, work at indie clubs, dj at certain clubs, whatever - music makers either with instruments or making the show happen. [ skin flute doesn't count though, gentlemen. ] it'd be nice to even have associated websites if possible. anyone interested? it'd be fairly easy to massage into html. oof-galoof, senor droolcup [ a broken g-string got me out of tune ] +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lleweth at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 04:05:41 1999 From: lleweth at xxx.com (Laura Llew) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 20:05:41 PDT Subject: Sinister: Subject Schmubject.. as if my letter has any useful info. ha! Message-ID: <19990610030543.20044.qmail@hotmail.com> Please forgive me for this letter since it will contain almost no b&s related info. I was never very good at keeping those pesky things called rules. Even at an early age ~ much to the chagrin of my second grade teacher, Ms Haskett, who didn't like my innovative reality based playtime. Why let kids live in a little dream world where their buildings carefully sculpted from blocks would stand? Why not introduce some natural disasters of other randomly flying blocks? Our lives aren't always going to peachy- wake up kids, we have to learn sometime! Who better to introduce them to the real world than I? Mr. Rogers certainly wasn't going to do it. No no. But, Ms Haskett disapproved and I ended up in the early eighties version of time out. There began my first thoughts of rules being the enemy of intelligence. Of course, after a while we all come to realize that rules are actually the enemies of criminals. Details Details. After spending half of the day in the emergency room yesterday, I discovered the answer to the time honored question of "is pneumonia contagious?" Yes, my friends it is. Since, I'm stuck at home I decided to watch 'Pretty In Pink' since it seems to be all the rage these days. Some interesting trivia on the movie that you probably already know or really could do without knowing.. -It was filmed in the same L.A. high school where Grease was made. - The original ending depicted Duckie and Andie hooking up, however the test audiences said they would have preferred to see rich boy Blane win Andie's heart. Plus, Molly Ringwald was sick during the filming of the ending (probably from seeing herself in that hideous pepto explosion of a prom dress), and director John Hughes (also the writer) wasn't satisfied with the editing. He was also concerned that audiences would take the original ending as a message that poor people and rich people don't belong together (if anyone else wants to help prove this stigma wrong then there's a poor single girl who has a nice cd addiction that would love being fed). -The Rave-Ups are the band playing in the club scene. Molly Ringwald wapparently a fan of their music, and her sister had a child with one of the band members. Also, in "Sixteen Candles", 'The Rave-Ups' is scrawled on the notebook Molly's character is carrying while walking down a corridor after study hall. Well, thats all the drivel I'll bore with you now. Better 'Pretty in Pink" than more The Who discussion. Though, I was quite disappointed when no one brought up Dr. Who. Talk about genuis! And to leave you with a quote from that show... There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, where the sea is asleep and the rivers dream; people made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, and somewhere else the tea is getting cold. Come on, Ace, we've got work to do..... I'm off like a prom dress~ Lleweth icq# 30616012 ps- would there happen to be any other of you in Utah? If so, please give me hope that there are people around me with some semblance of taste in music. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Etheriel99 at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 05:56:21 1999 From: Etheriel99 at xxx.com (Etheriel99 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:56:21 EDT Subject: Sinister: String Bean Mean Message-ID: <247bb465.24909f75@aol.com> Hullos... Well, before I begin, I suppose I should mention that I don't have a working tape player in my car. I HAVE to listen to the radio. It's that or nothing. And I suppose it's safe to say that radio is not that good. So as a result I'm quite familiar with top 40 and new alternative music ( a la canadienne). Well, anyhow, as I was driving to school this morning, I was listening to the local "alternative" station, though I use that term very loosely, and then this familiar guitar riff comes on. String Bean Jean? It was almost exact. Except this mess of music was a product of the less than interesting The Offspring. The title of the song: the Kids Aren't Alright. I was confused, sad, shocked, saddened etc. How could they bastardize such a lovely song? Why can't I hear the real thing? I don't think that the Offspring ripped it off B&S. Or could they? After all the Offspring do have the habit of stealing melodies and riffs. They blatantly copied the Beatles "Life Goes On". Who knows? Still I can't help but think that the Offspring know nothing of the lovely Belle and Sebastian. But the riff is exactly the same! It's a horrible song though. Turrah! Cindy +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 06:45:31 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:45:31 EDT Subject: Sinister: I'm quite happy drinking Yukon Jack... Message-ID: <87256467.2490aafb@aol.com> I was spacing out in front of the telly just the other day and a commercial for the ESPN Xgames came on with the first song from the Looper record playing (forgive me for not knowing the name...the one with the little girls joyously bouncing off the walls and whatnot). I thought it a bit odd at first, being that the Xgames is an annual quasi-Olympics for "extreme sports" like rollerblading, street luge, skateboarding, skydiving etc., but in the end it didn't seem so crazy for some reason. I still can't see the head honchos of ESPN sitting around a big, huge meeting table and as one of them gets up to spin the Looper disc, the others immediately jump to their feet shouting "That's it! Thats the Xgames!" Maybe its just me. Odd that Looper has already apparently superceded B&S in terms of popularity over here... I applied recently to a local record store in my weak attempt to become a member of the working class for the summer. Mind you this isn't an extremely hip record store (its on the borderline; they carry TBTWAS and Up A Tree but there computer shows no evidence of Felt's existance at all) but its a nice place I suppose, though a bit pricey. They seem pretty nice and all, and I had a few friends who work there put in a good word for me, but I'm a bit leery as to whether its a smart move to make music my business rather than my love. Maybe its being a bit to paranoid but I'm afraid that dealing with music and CDs as my sole source of income day in and day out will somehow strip it of its magic and innocence and as a result I will turn on my one true love (very dramatically) and instantly tranform myself into a CPA or something. Can anyone who has any andecdotes or knowledge of this area let me know what I'm for if I get the job? I'd appreciate any and all help because its between this and bagging for old women in the local supermarket and I need to reach a decision soon before I'm screwed out of both of them. Well I'm off to bed Steve C. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 06:59:06 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:59:06 PDT Subject: Sinister: crushing throught the charts Message-ID: <19990610055907.50198.qmail@hotmail.com> Bloody hell. 6 votes for me on the crush list. I'm... erm, confused, to say atleast. But I have no idea who was the first one to cast his/her vote for me. Could that sweet& wonderful person e-mail me and I shall send him/her a prize like I promised? Me, I'm a man who always keeps his promises. Some more B&S stuff now. I was in this club last friday where my friends band played. Well, Laura, their singer came up to me after their gig and said that my B&S badge was pretty cool. I asked her how she knew them, and she told me her brother had been in Scotland studying a few years back and he used to live in the same building where our beloved heroes (well mine anyway) used to practise. I asked her if she ever saw them, and she said, like it was no big deal, "Yeah, my brother used to hang out with them all the time." Oh man. I'm green with envy. Well, I told her to get his brothers autograph for me. She just shrugged. "Yeah, sure, when do you want it?" That girl has no sense of humour, she thought I really meant that. Phew. But she has a voice like an angel. Me, I'm still on my crusade to make B&S the next Backstreet Boys. I carry a picture of Stuart in my wallet and try to show it to teenage girls whenever I can and ask them "Isn't he cute, you should listen to their music." No dice yet, but I'm not giving up. And I'm STILL waiting for a girl who'd come up to me and say my B&S- shirt is cool and she would like to get to know me better. Result so far: Zero. And something now that has nothing to do with this list. Do we all hate people who are far too talkative at 7.20 in the morning? Every morning I have to listen to my boss when she speaks about her son. Sitting in the morningtrain, not interested in her family at all, she talking with her loud and a bit annoying voice. I tend to be really crumpy when I'm tired, but what the hell can I do? I don't think I can tell my boss to fuck off just because I'm tired. I've tried everything, from reading a magazine to pretending to be asleep, but she doesn't care. Well. Time for my 5th cigarette today, and it's only 9.02 in the morning. I want to be a rockstar and die before I'm 25. Lungcancer, here I come. @--->--- a rose, love and other random stuff that makes you go all "aaaahhhhhh..." and you just know that sometimes it's just worth it, all the phonecalls she didn't answer, all the smiles she hid, all the pretty words you're hoping she would say, Jake. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 10:15:23 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:15:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: dont follow leaders, watch your parkin' meters Message-ID: <01BEB32A.26F5E4C0.p.cullen@music-control.com> you know that really annoying baz so-called luhrmann song? well here's the irish version........ (anyone who has already heard it may roll their eyes now and delete at will) If I could offer you only one tip for the future, alcohol would be it. > The long-term benefits of alcohol have been consistently > misunderstood by scientists, whereas the rest of my advice has no > basis more reliable than my own drunken experience. > I will dispense this advice now. > Enjoy the power and beauty of your alcohol tolerance. > Oh, never mind. You will not understand the power and beauty of > your alcohol tolerance until it's faded. > But trust me, in 20 years, you'll look back at photos of yourself > puking in a gutter and recall in a way you can't grasp now how much > alcohol you drank and how fabulous it really was. > You are not as sick as you imagine. > Don't worry about where the next beer is coming from. > Or worry, but know that worrying is as effective as trying to pull > a page three model after 15 pints of Stella. > The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that never > crossed your drink-addled mind, like the unexpected lack of ale in the > fridge on > some idle Tuesday. > Drink one thing every day that scares you. > Sing badly. > Be reckless when buying other people drinks. > Don't put up with people who are reckless when buying yours. > Gargle. > Don't waste your time on shandy. > Sometimes you're ahead, sometimes you're behind. > The race is long and, in the end, it's only to the bar. > Make up compliments you received. Return the insults. > If you don't succeed in doing this drink more beer now. > Keep your old ring pulls. Throw away your old cans. > Wretch. > Don't feel guilty if you don't know when you might dry-out in you > life. > The most interesting people I know didn't know at 22 when they > would sober up. > Some of the most interesting 40-year-olds I know still haven't. > Get plenty of kebabs. Don't be too kind to your liver. You'll > hardly miss it when it's gone. > Maybe you'll pull, maybe you won't. > Maybe you'll get some bird up the duff, maybe you won't. > Maybe you'll enter rehab at 40, maybe you'll dance the nude conga > at your 75th University Reunion. > Whatever you do, congratulate yourself far too much and berate others. > Your choices are half alcohol influenced. So are everybody else's. > Enjoy someone else's body. > Use it every way you can. Don't be afraid of it or of what the lads > might think of it. > It's probably the only time you'll ever pull. > Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but on the street with a > can of Special Brew. > Ignore the directions, don't ever follow them. > Do not read beauty magazines, just cut out the pictures and put > them on your wall. > Get to know your parents. You never know when you'll have to tap > them for some cash. > Be nice to your barman. They're your best link to the bar and the > person most likely to stop you getting your head kicked by a bouncer > when paralytic in the future. > Understand that favourite drinks come and go, but with a precious > flammable few you should hold on. > Work hard to bridge the gaps in strength and consistency, because > the older you get, the harder it will be to neck ales like when you > were young. > Live in London once, but leave before it makes you a ponce. > Live in Liverpool once, but leave before everything you own gets > stolen. > Dribble. > Accept certain inalienable truths: > Beer prices will rise. Bouncers will throw you out. You, too, will > get a hangover. > And when you do, you'll fantasise that when you were young, prices > were reasonable, bouncers couldn't catch you, and hangovers were > NEVER as bad as this. > Respect alcoholics. > Don't expect anyone else to buy you a beer. > Maybe you'll have a huge overdraft. Maybe you'll have a wealthy bird. > But you never know when either one might stop getting you pissed. > Don't mess too much with alcopops or by the time you're 25 you will > look like a faggot. > Be careful whose cheap booze you buy, but be patient with those who > supply it. > Cheap booze is a form of rip-off. Dispensing it is a way of fishing > old stock from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the sell-by > date and re-selling it for more than it's worth. > > But trust me on the alcohol. paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TNewth at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 10:44:14 1999 From: TNewth at xxx.com (Newth, Tom) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:44:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Who needs a hobby like tennis or philately; I've got a hobby, re- reading Lady Chatterley Message-ID: <0743C08C3772D211B8B50008C7A4F3B60188D04A@PON-03> My B&S content will be represented by smut this morning, with tenuous links drawn between smutty happenings and B&S songs. Youn Jong Noh wrote: Holding hands while riding bicycles looks like quite a challenge, as anyone who saw "Les Mistons" should remember, but I guess it relieves the monotony, not to mention clammy palms. There are far more challenging things to try whilst riding bicycles. And they don't help with the clammy palms either.. The best part of Les Mistons is the small child sniffing the teenage girl's bicycle seat in slow motion. This could be similar to licking railings, in a point-stretching sort of way, although marginally more likely to give you thrush. Having happily finished The Hand of Ethelberta on Isobel's kind recommendation, I set off for work this morning clutching my old copy of Delta of Venus, finally picked up to start on another of Isobel's tips. May I suggest that no other young men attempt to read this book in anything than the most loose fitting trousers whilst standing on public transport. Very enjoyable, tho too much so for consumption in public. And now I have to suffer(?) a day at work with images of distended penises and rouged vulvae floating before my mind's eye... There's definitely a B&S song in there.. I've just shown it to the woman who shares my office and she is well and truly engrossed. On the subject of teachers and the sexual exploits thereof, the last bit of smut concerns my friend the (erstwhile) English teacher. He never seemed to be short of a nice young foreign lady to escort about town, and it would appear that being a TEFL teacher, in England at any rate, is very good for those who wish to take up with a bright young thing from overseas who is returning there in no more than three months. One "conquest" confessed that for the past month and a half, she and her friend had been watching the bit of marker pen that he had accidently drawn on his trousers by the fly, change from a deep royal blue to a sort of drab yellowy-grey. Nice to know. Who'd be a teacher, eh? That's it from me. Looking forward to some tigermilking tomorrow. love to all, spoon x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 11:23:35 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:23:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: guilty of sloth in the third degree Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E226E73A2@server1.HITEntertainment.com> You know that feeling of utter, almost takes-you-by-surprise loathing you get when a band appears who stand for everything you loathe? For me this includes Embrace, M People and The Lighthouse Family, obvious choices I know but you can't really argue, can you; anyway, that was how I felt about Shed Seven when they first "burst" onto the scene with a chocolate starfish for a lead singer and those awful awful early singles. And then something happened. It's all the Wonder Stuff's fault. Hup! was the album (along with The Trinity Session by the Cowboy Junkies) that got me into indie music (as judged by the Chart Show's Indie chart, which always had that awful Black Francis man caterwauling about sewage and the like), and the resemblance of " Allen Usher ruminated on: Guilt at work. Its a pisser, isn't it? I have been gradually weaning myself off personal emails, sort of, but the fact that I have very little that's desperately urgent to do here means that my naturally lazy and shameful temperament triumphs over my ambition and diligence pretty much every time. When I am doing urgent things, I feel great! I actually like working hard - it's just in my own time, with my own discipline, it's a losing battle, but one which, at 25, I seriously have to sort out before it threatens my career... He also mentioned April March, which was so appealingly written up on Amazon.com that I ordered it blind. It's sweet, I suppose, but not very strong in the tunes department. A bit like a non-techno Pizzicato 5 with hairgrips. my comic celebrity moments are few and far between, and no doubt far too anglo-centric to be interesting to most of you anyway. I did once have to basically carry a rather merry Jane Horrocks to a taxi a few years ago, whereby I stood back bashfully as she had her first ever snog with the father of her children. Aaaw :) And I slagged off Patsy Kensit, not realising that she was sitting in the cinema seat in front of me - well, not until she turned round and glared at me, anyway... No B&S content at all. Well, B&S make *me* content - will that do? No? Ho hum... Love Mark, co-host of "Tigermilking" at Upstairs at the Garage, Highbury & Islington tube, Friday 11th June xxx ____ "He's making violent love to me, Mother!" Mary Bailey, "It's a Wonderful Life" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 11:26:12 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:26:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Oops Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E226E73A3@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Forgot to finish a paragraph. Edited highlights - Shed Seven reminded me of the Wonder Stuff, warmed my cockles, and I love "On Standby", despite spitting blood about its blandness at first. 'S a funny old world. Bet you they do outlast Oasis as well. Doh. Do I feel a fool... :) Big cuddly Mark xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From messentw at xxx.uk Thu Jun 10 12:17:24 1999 From: messentw at xxx.uk (William Messent) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:17:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Drinkin' thinkin' Message-ID: <19990610111724.22021.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Hullo everybody. Stuart confessed: When I was at a party on Saturday night, very drunk off scrumpy and absinthe (which don't mix as well as might be hoped), I was caught kissing a good friend's girlfriend, while he wasin the room next door. So what the hell should I say to them next time Isee either of them? Booze. Parties. Eh? And that's about all the advice that I can offer. Perhaps you should consult the Paula Cullen Booooze Explosion. You'll all no doubt be delighted to know that the barbeque at mine went very well, and no rain came. Thankyou for your prayers. There were no 'good friend's girlfriend' incidents (that I am aware of), although I was at one point accused of being a 'lech', which I found rather troubling. Because I'm not a lech. Really. Why do all these B&S club nights happen on weekends when I'm out of town? I'm off up to Nottingham on Friday night for the Cricket at Trent Bridge on Saturday, but I'll be there in spirit. Have a drink for me. Make it vodka & tonic. Take care of yourselves. And each other. We out. Love Will xo === _____________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tjohn at xxx.uk Thu Jun 10 12:18:19 1999 From: tjohn at xxx.uk (Timothy Roberts) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:18:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: once again i have the answers Message-ID: <003101beb333$0a9cba20$7a20883e@Poberts> yeah, on the dilemma of wether to work in a record shop you should look to gordon legge, he is real. "That night, they opened up, they shared their dreams. In turn, they fantisised about putting their knowledge into words or owning record shops; but, like when they were young, they only ever fantasised about it. Although they now had the talent and the financial clout to make it happen, they didn't want to be involved. Partly this was because it would break the rules of their friendship, but mostly it was because they realised they were still what they'd always been- they were fans. It was for this reason that none of them- excepting Ray's brief flirtation- had ever pursued the performing side: they didn't want to be stars, they wanted to have stars. In the same way that, by and large, folk don't want to be Gods, folk want to worship Gods. And so things continued." from Pop Life. okay, now ive found the book and looked up the passage it doesnt seem quite so apt, but i think that there is advice to be gleaned from it anyway, for everyone, as every word that gordon legge writes is TRUTH. i recently realised on rereading The Shoe that i have been subconciously living my life by that book for about the past two years. i have not yet decided wether this is a good or bad thing. from tjohn, who applied for a job in the new hmv in aberdeen when it opened, and wasnt even offered an interview. ha! wouldnt work there if they paid me. which im led to believe is the standard procedure. "and do you think its possible to be sensitive and strong?" "hmm... we are." -the bmx bandits visit deadhippy online: http://www.deadhippy-records.freeserve.co.uk batfink site to come soon... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Thu Jun 10 12:25:13 1999 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:25:13 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Ease your seat in the fey In-Reply-To: <15AAE0EBDCC9D1119FFA00805F85642E01DB48BB@WNI-MSG-02> Message-ID: <199906101126.NAA25874@front1.grolier.fr> Hi. > And then came the Scorpions--"No One Like You," which is, bizarrely, a > montage of their shows and wacky exploits during a tour of Japan. Japan??? > The Scorpions??? How does that work? Is that like the David > Hasselhof/Germany connection--odd, strong, and perhaps never meant to be > understood? All very fascinating, I find. > Oh yes, fascinating. It's true, the Scorpions had a huuuuge following in Japan at the time they had any following at all, which is long ago. And no, I don't know the reason either.. you never know which band will be "big in Japan".. I think the Cardigans were before they got big everywhere else? oh yes, last news on the Scorpions is that they dress, sing and play like Rammstein now, but leave out the right-wing background. Everybody else is doing it... Celebrity: Until now I've succeeded in not meeting any famous person at all, which is quite a feat in itself, seen the amount of them nowadays.. I thought I'd bump into them at any corner in Paris, but no. They're hiding. At least I've got a slight celeb connection, because the father of Claudia Schiffer (the blonde stoopid german model) was in the same class as my father for some years. According to my father, he was a pretty wild guy, threatened to be thrown out of school a few times. But now he's a respectable lawyer. I should be angry on my father for not having kept contact to him.... Some hot & spicy inside information: Claudia really loves her cheesy magician and really wants to marry him. That's not hot & spicy? well, come to think of it.. it's not. It's just boring reality. >> I'm listening to the Tindersticks. Beautiful. Wow. SO good!<< Aaaaaaaaaaaaah I love you whoever you are :) That's a good ending for a bad post, I suppose. I had lots of other things to comment on, but.. I forgot. I imagine a sigh of relief running accross the earth, spanning continents, flying over deep-blue oceans.. followed by a huge earth-shattering sound created by the pressing of about 1075 delete-keys. Simultaneously. Jan The Dark Site of the Moon: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/index.html Tindersticks page: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/tinderpage/tinder.html "We're ugly, but we have the music" - L. Cohen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From zoe.parsons at xxx.uk Thu Jun 10 12:52:14 1999 From: zoe.parsons at xxx.uk (janetzx) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:52:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Ease your seat in the fey Message-ID: <005301beb337$aead03a0$52b501a3@stu082.sjc.ox.ac.uk> Jan Imgrund: And no, I don't know the reason either.. you never know which band will be "big in Japan How true. Unless you are Called japan. they got v big there before anywhere else, even before they'd released any music. I think they were selling merchandise before they had a single. life is so damn funky sometimes. ad campaigns. their bloke-who-does-that-stuff dressed up in samurai costumes, barged in on other meetings and forced sake down the throats of people-who-might-want-to-give-them-money/studio. well so i read, anyway. love janet +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Thu Jun 10 14:44:36 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (katrina house) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:44:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Cue The Music! References: <199906091823_MC2-78CE-27B7@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <375FC144.283E4920@jeepster.co.uk> hi all, as far as my bowlie pics go, this was the v-twin boys, michael + simon ... with pete from sodastream on double bass. i didn't see it though, so they might have swapped around during the set, but as they say the camera never lies :) cheers, katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 15:46:29 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:46:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: supernatural fairy tale they told you when you were at school Message-ID: alpha to base! tango charley spencer umbrella! Hello darlings, I finished an exam an hour early today, and decided to see how long i could hold my feet off the floor by holding my legs out in front of me. I was doing really well until one of the supervisors whispered in my ear to put my legs back down again, because it was un-nerving to watch, and asked me why was I wearing dark blue nail-varnish at school and certainly in and exam....but walked off before I would tell the wicked woman why. She trod on my foot as she went, and I'm sure she did it on purpose. Lleweth, thankyou for you Pretty In Pink trivia, I was most impressed by the extent of Pretty In Pink knowlegde you have to offer. I imagine sinisterines dining out reciting it all over the land. I thought he dress Andie made was pretty ace. so incredibly eighties it almost hurt....Duckie and her couldn't hook up at the end though, it just wasn't meant to be. Mind you, the end they did use sucked anyway. Blake was such a git, and she doesn't even say, "well you're a bastard but I love you anyway" she just snogs him. I was not satisfied. I always wanted to be one of the Pink Ladies, sarah. Big Stu and your snogging-someone-else's-girlie-shocker! well, if you're the sort of person that faces the music, remember to do the puppy-dog eyes thing, you know, you really didn't mean to.. over and out Erica x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From whatev at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 15:55:56 1999 From: whatev at xxx.com (Steven) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:55:56 -0400 Subject: Sinister: tapes and porno....what else is there? Message-ID: <00a401beb351$59abb260$660b4ecf@en.en.com> Hi all, If any u.s. listees would like a copy of the Bowlie or Dublin show and have something decent to offer in trade please mail me and we can hopefully work it out. I have good copies of both shows. On another note, B&S have been mentioned again in the gay porno mags that I sell at the store where I work. This time it was in the new "mandate". There was an interview with the Aluminum Group(who you should all check out) and the writer compared them to Belle and Sebastian. The interviewer is the same one who wrote about TBWTAS for one of the other mags, he goes by "blackie white". Anyone know who he is? Steven the boy who sells arab straps p.s. anyone going to the looper show in Detroit? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hgf.moog at xxx.net Thu Jun 10 16:11:16 1999 From: hgf.moog at xxx.net (Hugh G Friel) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:11:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Headache Rhetoric Message-ID: <002701beb353$92c516c0$02000003@oemcomputer> I got the keys to the nursery door a while back, but I quite liked it there, so I stayed for a bit. It was better than my last nursery, anyway (shudder). I've been lurking big-time though, because I talk pish + you lot don't :¬) B/S bit. When is this UK digital BelSeb thing on, because I actually know someone with digital telly. See this poster in Kilmarnock? Where is it? Rugby Park? 'Cos I sleep in Kilmarnock. Has anyone noticed that, say you're walking somewhere with Belle + Sebastian on your personal stereo, that the song you're listening to ends exactly when you get there? Or is that just me? It never seems to work in the car, mind you. Salinger thread(bare?). Anyone like For Esme With Love + Squalor + Other Stories? I mind I went back early for a new term at Uni once; got my grant, bought a pile of alcohol and stayed in 4 a week with the whole Salinger content from the English section of the library. I liked A Perfect Day For Bananafish. But I was a bit fucked for a while afterwards, probably a hangover. Like that Paula Cullen jakie. Think Happy Thoughts +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From coool_air at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 17:23:54 1999 From: coool_air at xxx.com (Claire Timmins) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:23:54 PDT Subject: Sinister: lyrical woes Message-ID: <19990610162355.5362.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear friends, i need musical help... never was afraid to know what it feels like when you go ??? when logic keeps with you falling down the mountainside with you, falling down. If you were here, first thing I'd do is knock you down you left me cold to meet your ghost all over town, to wind the stone and spin the wheel,lock the doors on what you feel looking back its like I always knew, falling down the mountainside with you etc. mail back privately if anyone can ease my wearymusicalmind. Cheers toots, Claire http://www.roolz.ukf.net YOU NEED IT TOO MUCH. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ab0u600b at xxx.uk Thu Jun 10 17:24:24 1999 From: ab0u600b at xxx.uk (Dawn) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:24:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sarah cracknell's big crossed eyes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.19990610172424.363f6ad0@pop1.liv.ac.uk> >Ian, darling, tell me how is dear Sarah Crackers holding up in the basement? >I have to apologize, because I thought you were making up the whole story. >But having just seen Saint Etienne 3 times in the past week, and the show >being EXACTLY the f***ing same each time - down to the between song banter - >it's clear they've got a robot up there doing all the work. > Following on from all the Sarah Cracknell obsession on this list, I must share a little story, I'm sure it will be well appreciated... My lovely housemate Ellie works on a horrible greasy burger van whenever she goes home to the countryside, as there is nothing else for her to do. That burger van travelled to Swansea University for a Summer Ball at which St. Et were playing. Ellie was flipping burgers, toasting buns etcetera on this horrible greasy burger van when Sarah Cracknell's little face appaeared at the hatch, and she ASKED FOR SOME FRUIT!!! Fruit!! She got very sniffy when told that they had just that moment sold their last banana burger.... Well, that was my first post for about two years, and it shall be my last, as I am off. I have just got my 2:1 and am heading back to London on Saturday, where they don't have computers. Dawn xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dunca_chap at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 18:43:24 1999 From: dunca_chap at xxx.com (Adam Chapman) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:43:24 GMT Subject: Sinister: We're here to chew bubblegum and kick ass.....[Rah!!] Message-ID: <19990610174324.64964.qmail@hotmail.com> It can only get worse... I should like to repeat my request for one or more of you kind people to assist me, in my wish to go to "bowlie 2". In short, i require space in a chalet and will pay for it, as having missed the first one *sob*, i quite like the look of the second. Should anyone be interested, e mail to; dunca_chap at hotmail.com Is the Shed7 bashing a private party, or can anyone join? I seem to remember making a similar point a little while ago [thanks for your opinion erica/graham, i am but a little less confused], and came to the conclusion that many people will miss the point of b+s completely, most of those i've played them to [siblings included] regard them as 'shite', or worse 'dull', one took particular exception and accused me of aggressive and advanced homosexuality [actually he called me a 'poof', but it pays to be polite]. As for turning b+s into the next "Backstreet boys", i suspect that the dance routines would have to be radically altered....imagine, Stuart m turning neat somersaults, and Isobel doing curious things with her cello, and as for Richard, well, i feel quite faint....one for the teen mags methinks. Getting back to the subject, i fail to see the point of Celine Dion [or the anti christ as i know her...], besides the multi-million selling brainwashed ballad kind o'thing, i mean is there any artistry at work or merely an advertising budget the size of the Rawandan economy. sorry, i'm drifting into cynicism, and the budding web designers annoy, bye for now, Adam "Because I know that you know, that we know they don't know whats been going on.... " Gruff Rhys, SFA, 'Demons' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From snorman at xxx.uk Thu Jun 10 18:49:42 1999 From: snorman at xxx.uk (Sam Norman) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:49:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: rick witter and me - world exclusive Message-ID: I have been holding this close to my chest for too long now and i feel that i should tell all now and cash in on shed7's world fame. So I phoned the Sun and they weren't interested. But apparently if the list mummy had had the experience they would have been, (some kind of Honey trap or something I think they called it?) The Mirror, Star again they weren't interested not in the public interest was the phrase they used. So here is my world exclusive to the 1050 - ish of you out there. In 1995 I slept with Rick Witter; well on the same bench as him in York station anyway. It was after some free festival and i used it as an excuse to visit some friends of mine who lived up there. I ended up missing the last train back to London, and not remembering where it was that my friends lived, slept on the bench next to Mr Witter himself. I've got no idea why he was there though. Anyway just time to say, see you tomorrow night Upstairs at The Garage for Tigermilking. 8pm - 3am band on at 8.45. flyers at http://listen.to/tigermilking +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Thu Jun 10 19:17:45 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:17:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: 'Can't repeat the past?' he cried incredulously,'Why of course you can!' Message-ID: <199906101817.TAA26467@boober.lineone.net> Hello one and all, I'm not going to Bowlie 2 cos I can't afford it, and I don't know if it's a good idea. The first one was special and I doubt, cynic that I am, this one will be as good. I'd like to see the Strap, and The Delgados again, and Stereolab with the lovely Laetitia and her ice cool Euro grooves etc. Actually I'd quite like to go. I'm just not going to. I saw a Bowlie and (I think) Sinister bloke at Rosita at The Monarch last week. Who was he? I was there with some nice B&S types meself. Emmy Kate still has 'Kenickie' stencilled on her silver gear box. That made me sad. Celebrity encounters. I met the lovely lovely Lauren Laverne at Bowlie. She was with Mogwai and Arab Strap. I told her she was really really good and I really liked her cos she's really really good. You know the sort of eloquent stuff I mean. TJ Roberts- I like your story in the Sinister library. I couldn't work it out though. At the end I thought 'Good, he's gonna change'.......then I wondered 'Aaah, but is he?' Cos tomorrow never comes, does it? Very clever. Ambiguity. Like it , I like it. Re the Airplane-- when I slagged them recently I just meant that I used to think they were amazing but now I don't. Jack Casady was a great bass player though. (I should know, for I am one too. Ha ha). ' If you Feel' is a winner but 'Greasy Heart' is better, imo, a nice short dramatic song with Jack scaling the heights, Jorma doing his psyche blues wah thang and Gracie being sinister and cutting in a fried acid vocal stylee. Mike with his recent post regarding Hal Hartley, Hartley Hare and a monorail. Good one. I laughed out loud. Finally, where are these ubiquitous photos of Ailsa then? I haven't seen any. Has she had them removed or something? I'm off to give a trumpet lesson. Bye. Rob 'Why live in the world when you can live in your head?' Jarvis Cocker. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samiamx at xxx.com Thu Jun 10 21:51:15 1999 From: samiamx at xxx.com (Sam Devere) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:51:15 PDT Subject: Sinister: DC Hoedown and Lilac Time Message-ID: <19990610205115.33793.qmail@hotmail.com> DC Hoedown and Lilac Time Regarding the DC picnic, I feel like quite the idiot rollin' up to a bunch of people I don't know, so here's superstar pic. http://pw1.netcom.com/~samiam2/lol.jpg Now, you know what this angry loner looks like. Ahh, Lilac Time, I do have quite a weakness for them. They have a new album, it was well received. I'll post some details when I get a chance. Indeed, Stephen Duffy was with Duran very early on, but he quit and proceeded seek fame and Ecstacy which did him in. He then formed the Lilac Time, which B&S's 'Sinister' was favorably compared to. He also formed a mini-group (Me Me Me which featured members of Blur and Elastica) and released a single a couple of years ago. I'll bring some rare goodies to the picnic if anyone is interested. Cheers...Sam _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Thu Jun 10 23:50:15 1999 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: glitter goldmine Message-ID: so i was reading the thing about safe and velvet goldmine and all this. and i agree that those two movies are good, but you forgot to mention why. they were beautiful. i had heard a lot of things before seeing velvet goldmine, most were negative. but when i saw the movie i was so surprised. it was wonderful, the shots were beautiful, they lingered and flowed into one another. it was like watching a dream, or remembering a feeling that you thought was gone. i saw it as being about david bowie and iggy pop, though i know nothing of glam rock really, so i can't guess what was real and what wasn't. but it wasn't really important. it's like, rock and roll creates superstars. jonathan rhys-meyers was beautiful, he glowed. he was a star, a totally unattainable person, some combination of sensuality and cold perfection. it's the idea of having this person who is totally unattainable and completly desirable. no one can possess him. and as the movie changed, it said a lot, well, to me anyway. about how meaningless appearances can be, and how sad it is when an idol falls. and of course, there was full frontal ewan. ;) but really, i was in love with this picture. when i make films, i want to create that sense of space. it's hard to explain what i mean by that. i guess it's just something that i can sense in some movies, this space between the characters, between the audience and the actors, and the space that surrounds each moment that allows it to last just the right amount of time, so that it doesn't fade away too quickly. i don't like classifying movie makers together based on how they live. all the ones mentionned here are good. some people will see what i saw, and others will be determined that i was smoking crack. i loved todd solondz's films. too bad i can't spell his name though. welcome to the dollhouse is so how i remember junior high to be. luckily i wasn't dawn werner (thank god) but i had some similar experiences. so that's completely removed from anything having to do with belle and sebastian. i was looking for b&s mp3's of unreleased stuff but couldn't find any. poo. xoxox megan mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu who are magnetic fields? http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/ updated 4/26/99 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LAWMIK00 at xxx.nz Fri Jun 11 00:35:27 1999 From: LAWMIK00 at xxx.nz (LAWRENCE CHARLES MIKKELSEN) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:35:27 +1200 Subject: Sinister: Hello ... I'm new Message-ID: <12C605B643B@kinloch.ait.ac.nz> out of the nursery and into the fire .... actually, it's been such a long time, at least a month I guess. Anyway, I should introduce myself. I live in New Zealand, and B&S fans are few and far between over here. I's studying Multimedia at a tech here in Auckland because I couldn't get a job with my Arts degree in English lit. and Philosophy. When I first joined the list there was all this arguing about whether the whole 'twee' thing was a put on to make people think more highly of you, and the reaction to it, with some people going on about how hard they were, and weren't twee at all etc. etc. (I know this is old stuff, but you see I didn't have voice back then and I was desperate to add my two cents.) I guess for me the whole appeal of B&S is the fine line they walk between those two extremes. 'We all know you're soft 'cause we've all seen you dancing, we all know you're hard 'cause we've all seen you drinking from noon until noon again' and 'She was into S&M and Bible studies' are two fine examples of this.You don't need to polarise yourself to be a fan, or react to that polarisation either. Well, there you go ... my two cents. Also, anyone else from New Zealand on the list ... please mail me privately. I'm trying to organise a picnic but I only know one other fan here ...... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Fri Jun 11 00:56:29 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:56:29 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Response for Megan in NY and anyone else who's interested in the film discussion Message-ID: Thanks to Megan for her heartfelt response to my [Safe] and Velvet Goldmine plaintiveness. The films really are life-changing, and hopefully it won't be another 4 years before we get a film from Todd Haynes again. >> i agree that those two movies are good, but you forgot to mention why. they were beautiful. << Their beauty is certainly an essential component to why they were good, but I would say the main reason I admire them is for their incisiveness and refusal to go along with the idea that a film must be a visual 19th-century novel- beginning, middle, end, plot, character development. Todd Haynes is a rare writer/director who makes films of ideas and is artistically successful at it. By using and address issues of class and environment [Safe], artistic integrity (Velvet Goldmine), and above all, identity (both Safe and V.G., as well as his first feature Poison). It is, of course, essential when one is subverting the conventional notions of 'plot' and 'character' to fill the screen with beautiful images to get your ideas across, which Haynes does remarkably well. I also dearly appreciate Todd Solondz, but Haynes just has a slight edge over him, to my mind. It's like asking if you want chocolate cake, or MORE chocolate cake. They're both very good, though. Hal Hartley is, to me, a mixed bag but his films are still intelligent and sometimes even funny, just too often tainted by smugness. >>. i saw it as being about david bowie and iggy pop << This is tempting, but the characters each embody so many characteristics of all the glam rock stars that it's difficult to pin it down to any particular real-life person. They are meant less to embody particular people than a set of glam ideals, both aesthetically and philosophically; really, the film isn't about bowie or pop or even necessarily glam rock, those were just the best ways to get a discourse going on the screen about the exhileration of self-invention and the accompanying identity crises. Haynes ALWAYS gives you all sides, and lets you decide for yourself. This is without losing any of his humaneness or empathy for the people in his films- if it comes off a little clinical, it's because we as an audience are too used to being manipulated by meaningless tear-jerking by cardboard characters and wooden dialogue and one-sidedness, instead of a genuine emotional response provoked by seeing a more objective view of a character's experience. >>> i don't like classifying movie makers together based on how they live. <<< This is fair, but Hartley, Solondz, and Haynes (as well as Scorcese, the over-maligned Wooday Allen and Cindy Sherman) represent a particularly 'New York' kind of film-making/visual art. It's anti-Hollywood, independent, usually their work is made with depth and flair. I don't think it's unfair to any of them to place them together the way I do in my head, I wasn't implying that they all have the same level of talent or are even the same, they just all have an independent spirit that is very New York filmworld (as opposed to the greedy and manipulative L.A. film scene). I like the idea of an artistic community and sometimes this can be geographical (like the Scottish scene featuring our beloved Belle & Sebastian, Arab Strap, The Pastels, etc.) Megan herself is in New York and seems to me to have a New York frame of mind about film- I don't think this is a dismissive thing to say or that it says anything about her personally, just that she (judging from her excellent taste) has good ideas and is sure to be a fine film-maker, belonging in the company of other good film-makers, and New York is definitely the place in America to find that. Good luck, Megan! Do you go to any of those classes Scorsese teaches at NYU? Oh, and Ewan full frontal we've seen SO many times before (not that it's entirely unpleasant or anything!)- Christian B. is more my type and I don't even have to see him naked to confirm it, he's got such a cute face and a lovely smile. Hugs all around- -Chris (favorite Arab Strap song: "The Clearing") :) :) :) :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com Fri Jun 11 01:20:06 1999 From: ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com (Ben Parker) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: acoustics, bands, molko, stuff Message-ID: <19990611002006.7838.rocketmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> So, um, I went to ac acoustics on tuesday night, and I wasn't overly impressed to be honest - sorry to anyone that told me to go and see them and stuff - seem to remember them sounding a bit more like the jesus and mary chain and a little less stodgy. oh well. The singer from placebo was there, though, i think, and i can't honestly imagine anyone genuinely thinking that that was a girl. Snow patrol were alright; used samples and stuff, which was quite good. Best bit of the night, though, was on the Victoria line on the way home, when we sat across from some busker bloke who played this sort of makeshift blues, complete with real screaming and hollering. Told me he spends his days walking the earth, trying to keep away from bad behavior. Creepily. Oh, someone asked people to say if they are in bands or whatever - well, um, yeah, I'm in this band called tempertwig, the mumbler and guitarist, if anyones vauguely interested - we're only onto our second gig, in islington a week on monday. Even have a website beginning, although at the moment it is quite sparse - good ape picture though: www.tempertwig.freeserve.co.uk Oh well - BeN _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Fri Jun 11 06:22:29 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:22:29 -0700 Subject: Sinister: the kids are *not* alright, In fact they deserve a good prompt lashing with an Arab strap. Message-ID: <000901beb3ca$67809bc0$2511020a@rebelstrange> hey guys and dolls sorry my post yesterday was so damn long. that's why i didn't post much for a while. Even *I* get sick of myself. JEEEZus. First off, i'm deeply troubled by this Offspring mystery, which i went and checked out and i can confirm it is a tragedy. it sounds like maybe one of their wussy friends made them listen to b&s, and they heard s/b/j and thought the guitar riff would be a jammin' pseudo-punk anthem, so they decided to lift it, but they changed it to just solid notes instead of the plucking rhythm B/S uses. cos who has everr heard of belle and sephiroth anyway?? no one who would listen to a crap station that plays the offspring and their ilk. no one would ever notice. i think a contingent of sinisterites should see to it that the so-called offspring are questioned mercilessly and that justice is done. we can't have our innocent songs being sodomized and mutilated in broad daylight, it's the nineties folks, Free your mind!!! Free Leonard Peltier!! oh no wait. Instead of doing a script for a karoake video of LLPJ, i would like to do a comic of it. If i get really bored and actually do that, i'll be sure and let y'all know. but honestly i don't know if it's possible to make it G-rated. when they say let's see your kit, does that mean "get naked"?? well in the video, it could just be a girl holding up a kitten, and everyone looks at it and laughs and is very amused. that would be funny. "In the mud on your knees", Jane goes to Woodstock II. she wears a shirt that says "Rebel" and her friends pat her on the back and give her the thumbs up, then she kicks the crap out of them. All the girls look the same, they could show a picture of the Corrs. (what is up with those people, are they genetic freaks? it's like they are engineered to be blandly popular and stereotypically pleasant to look at, they all belong on FIENDS) Challenging styles, Jane is scoffing at department store windows, and then she just runs and runs wearing a jumper. boo to the business world, she puts on a ghost costume and jumps out at some guys wiht briefcases. tax-free on her back, could just be a lazy huge girl lying on a ratty couch, with a book about "How to Cheat on Taxes". working for the joy of giving: Jane runs a free kissing booth on the sidewalk. the last bus out of town is self explanatory. you'll have a boy tonight: someone could give her bubble-gum cigars in blue, or pink for you'll have a girl tonight. Then she tosses a coin whilst looking at a picture of her Mum, and remembers the pretty brown songbird who lighted on her shoulder when she licked her ice cream off the railing, cos it was so hot that day it melted off and she was very very hungry for ice cream and she didn't have another quarter to get more. She reads a book emblazoned "Free Tips from Boots" and considers a selection of various acne medications and creams. she sleeps in a bus stop, wakes up and starts marking off pages in a book of names. then, more cigars and "it's a boy" balloons ensue. *the end* on another less relevant note (ha) i was watching one of my old tapes the other day and it had a Superchunk video on it, for "the First Part". apparently at the time i had really liked that video for some reason. i can't explain but superchunk just make me wanna rock out every time i hear them, i think it's some genetic flaw. but in any case i realized there was a lot of indie rock dancing going on in there. It seems that indie rock dancing consists mainly of bouncing aimlessly up and down while indiscrimately flailing your arms in any direction they happen to flop at. i wondered if anyone else has observed other types of indie rock dancing in their excursions there and about. I figure superchunk is about typical of Indie Rawk. kay then i'll be going. lesleyjo *singing* "it's the Eighties, do a lot of coke and read Jay MacInerney!!" http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange they were like those gauche youths who turn up to house parties only to cling to the dark corners in chaste disdain, driven by the naive, vaguely inhuman conviction that all merriment is a lie. SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From PaperSun23 at xxx.com Fri Jun 11 06:17:42 1999 From: PaperSun23 at xxx.com (PaperSun23 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:17:42 EDT Subject: Sinister: evil hearted record stores Message-ID: << Can anyone who has any anecdotes or knowledge of this area let me know what I'm for if I get the job? I'd appreciate any and all help because its between this and bagging for old women in the local supermarket and I need to reach a decision soon before I'm screwed out of both of them. >> I work in a pricey chain-store music shop and its only advantage is mocking the sheep who blindly pay outrageous prices for their silly Korn records and Backstreet Boys. Be prepared for droves of mindless fools asking you if you know that song that's always on the radio who's name and artist escapes them but you should know it because you work in a record store and how dare you work in a record store without listening to the radio ... and then they'll try to sing. It just gets worse from there. It is, however, better than other menial jobs offering similar wages. Just think of the many different ways you can make fun of the customers and the corporation! good luck, moon patroller carrie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From peter.ramsdale at xxx.com Fri Jun 11 09:03:09 1999 From: peter.ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:03:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Possible brush with fame (incorporating tenuous links to Crackers) Message-ID: <3760C2BD.3113613@wdr.com> Mornin' to one and all. Well, 'xept for those of you lucky enough to be in foreign climes where it's probably not morning at all. Anyway, I was hoping you could all help me with something. All these brushes with famous people has set me wondering. The important question is this: Is the bloke who sits next to me on the 7:05 from Colchester to London Liverpool Street every morning really who he says he is? Or rather, has he done what he says he's done? Listen, this'll make sense in a wee while, I promise you. The bloke who sits (la-di-da, etc., etc.) is called Adrian Spriggs. And he claims to have been part of the later line up of the Field Mice. Apparently, he played guitar with them for about two or three years until they split up, and sang a bit at a few gigs. He would have been about seventeen at that point, he had a bowl haircut, and would have had ('cause to be quite honest he still does have) a rather prominent jawline. (The tenuous link to Crackers, which I shall elaborate upon at this point, is that he claims to have been involved with the writing of 'Lets Kiss and Make Up', which, as quite a few of you will know, was originally a Field Mice number). So, is this guy for real, or is he just an impostor, a fake, a charlatan who is preying upon my love of the Field Mice? Mind you, it would be bloody excellent to say that I travel into work with a fella who was part of the band that wrote my favourite ever song (which, for those of you with an inquisitive nature, and who don't get bored easily, is "If You Need Someone"). Answers on a postcard to.... Cheers, folks, p. -- -----------------------------*||*-------------------------------- "Reality never seems to work out quite the way you want it to..." 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This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Fri Jun 11 11:30:30 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:30:30 PDT Subject: Sinister: sweet sensual chocolade? Message-ID: <19990611103031.52336.qmail@hotmail.com> "Well hello all you boys and girls, I'd like to take you to the insede world. It's quite irregural place to be, but never fear you're safe with me. Well... maybe." Another day rolling on forward like a bee without wings. But this evening: Stereo Total in Semifinal Club. Anyone who has ever heard of them must know why I'm so exited: best possible German Lofigaragedancepunkypoppy- band in the world. But since it's German, I think thats not such an achivement. But a great partyband, anyway. And next weekend: Manics, Blur, Stereophonics, Jimi Tenor. And Suede, which I'm NOT going to see, since my train leaves the city of Sein�joki, where Provinssirock is being held, too early. And performing there also...S.O.D.!!!!! Featuring guys from Anthrax! Oh, that band brings me memories from way back, when I still used to skateboard, about 10 years ago. Trashmetal is a funny form of music. Have to do my laundry next week so I can wear my B&S- shirts with pride and honour there, without stinking like I've wore them for a month without ever taking them off. Which is the case now. I have no idea how my co-workers here put up with the stench. Richard promised to send me that AltNation B&S special to me, so Dicky-boy, finnish chocolade on its way there when I get that copy. Fazer Blue, the best known chocolade in the world. Even the Swiss like it, and theyve got Toblerone, for god's sake. Other things to digest when you need something tasty: Pepsi, chocolade biscuits filled with orangejelly, beer, red wine & french bread. Such a classy combination that last one, but I think you all know that. Well, I'm off, have a jolly good weekend, I know I'll try. @--->--- Jace le petit. PS: And a special wet snog and a warm hug (or the other way around, anyway you like it) to a person who made me feel quite lovely yesterday, you know who you are since you always read my posts. ;) And of course those 6 people who still havent admitted voting for me in the List Crush. Remember, the one who is the first to admit he/she did this WILL get a prize. A cd. Oh, I shouldve lived in the 30's, I would have made a brilliant gangster, bribing my way to popularity and out of jail. Ta tat. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 9705516m at xxx.uk Fri Jun 11 12:37:20 1999 From: 9705516m at xxx.uk (David Andrew McNicol) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:37:20 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Goodbye Message-ID: <95E15D31CB1@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> No B&S content so sorry, Thought I'd wish you all a happy summer, and I'll be back with you all in August - Those who sent me videos, I'll be posting them back this weekend (the tapes were good!!), and a special hi to anyone I'll be meeting in Paris on Monday! Dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Fri Jun 11 11:48:43 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:48:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: They call me Mr Boombastic Pants Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E226E73A8@server1.HITEntertainment.com> I'm glad it's not just me daydreaming about anonymous corporate megaliths housing big minimalist boardrooms, in which grey-suited men discuss strategies for their latest product ("*Grey* taramasalata? Are you mad? Haven't you seen Pretty in Pink? It's gotta be puce!!") and somehow coming up with totally bizarre and inexplicable ideas, such as Looper=Xtreme Sportz. Innocently watching Match of the Day in the days when "indie" was a euphemism for zero sales, who should be providing the backing track to Alan Smith and John Aldridge than My Bloody Valentine! And then the Breeders! It was all too much, really, I swooned, I did... Someone called Stuart Murdoch was killed in the Isle of Man TT motorcycle race thing yesterday. This dangerous sports thing is getting out of hand! Get back to croquet you soft lads, for heaven's sake... Did you know yesterday was Celine Dion day on VH1? Shed Seven day is week on Tuesday, all you shedders out there! I will be playing some Sarah Cracknell tonight (at Tigermilking, natch :)), so if she's in the area could she pop along and do a sort of karaoke thing? That would be nice :) Any other pop stars who want to turn up, that would be nice too - I think we've got a couple coming along already, but it would be telling to say who... It's just occurred to me - does this list have virus-preventing measures inbuilt? Our office was decimated yesterday by this new nasty worm virus thingy, which propagated like wildfire (I managed to avoid it, thank heavens, but more than half my floor have lost files), and it would be rather unfortunate to spread a virus to more than a thousand other people in one go. For what it's worth, the message will appear to come from a friend or colleague, and is something like: "Hi (name), thanks for the email, I'll get back to you ASAP. Meanwhile, take a look at these files!". Evidently, don't. Delete away merrily (my colleagues all received multiple emails) and you should be okay... Sorry if you've already had these warnings dozens of times, but it's a change to have a genuine virus to gabble on about! Still no B&S content. What else is there to say that hasn't been said before? Actually, Lesley Jo seemed to manage it, so I really ought to pull my finger out. I may have to picket Jeepster or Banchory (sp?) to try and get some form of Bellesque pop performance at Bowlie II, now that I've (ulp) signed up to go...and it goes without saying that the Sinister/Looper football team will be resurrected - any other sinisterines attending who'd fancy taking on the might of the alternative pop establishment with us? There's a cheap Denim album in HMV at the moment - worth getting at all? I'm sorry, I really am, Mark xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Fri Jun 11 13:44:30 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:44:30 EDT Subject: Sinister: What has happened to me? he thought. It was no dream. Message-ID: Hi! Someone asked about a week ago, which book he could read that would fit into his trouser pocket. Well, I don't know what kind of trousers you were, but try Franz Kafka's "Metamorphosis", that's pretty small. And really good it is too! Bye Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Fri Jun 11 15:50:23 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:50:23 +0200 Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place Message-ID: <01beb419$bc5016e0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Pat Smear? Wasn't she in EastEnders? Or am I mixing up character names and plot lines again? It's been a funny old week. I've bought two albums from people with really boring names, in fact they both sound like members of the Preston and District Turnip Growers' Association - Dennis Brown and Bill Evans. What makes matters even spookier is the fact that on both occasions I had to choose between someone with a boring name and someone with a really fantastic exciting name - Dennis or Everton Blender and Bill or Willie Bobo. Uncanny. I'm yet to be entirely convinced of Dennis's magnificence, but Bill's album is a corker - "Bill Evans, From Left to Right: Playing the Fender-Rhodes Electric Piano and the Steinway Piano" It features two fantastic versions of "What Are You Doing With the Rest of Your Life? North and South and East and West of Your Life?", one of the most beautiful songs of all time, and something called "Children's Play Song" for extra twee points. It's very relaxing, you'll like it. Cheap too. Buy it or rot in Hell for all eternity. Unless you don't want to. Or you've already got it. I've also received two fantastic fanzines: "Segundos de Luz" from Our Jordi is a great improvement on the last issue, and is packed with interesting features, photos and fun. And Matthew Hintz's address. The fanzine's in Spanish, but don't let that put you off - it contains a photo of Isobel Campbell speaking the international language of school uniform wearing - PHWOOAR! And a drawing of Camber Sands chalets by Mad Dog Murdoch that looks like a bus. And a special message from Mick Cooke. What else can I say? One day, issue two of "Segundos de Luz" will be as sought after as origianl vinyl copies of "Tigermilk". Ask for it at your local newsagents, or order one directly from Mister Jordi. Before it's too late. I've also received issue 2 of "Trousercuts - The Magazine for Men", which also looks fantastic. However, I immediatelty scrambled through it looking for the answers to last week's quiz. Alas, I look destined to remain ignorant. Furthermore, the absence of Keith Watson University of Rock is a bitter blow, that I hope will be rectified in the next issue. Not that these minor criticisms should detract from the overall impression of a slickly produced must-have for the culturally ambitious man about town or his bit of fluff. Congratulations to Trousers for the spookily appropriate pictures of Cubans going about their daily business. Tag, do you think that the "Pitbull" bloke from "Black Cat, Whte Cat" looks like Bobby Ball from Cannon and Ball? I do. That Bill Evans LP I mentioned also has a fantastic cover photo of Bill playing two pianos at once with a heavily ash-ladenn fag hanging out of his mouth. Wow! It's a CD, but I say LP to sound groovy. David "Dizzy" Moore wrote: : - I had lunch with Barnes Wallis once, - Did he demonstrate the idea behind his most famous invention, using a boiled potato and several strategically placed soup bowls, leaving young Master Moore awestruck and soup-splattered? I agree that the opening credit sequence of Gary Glitter and Roy Wood biopic "Velvet Goldmine" is the best bit of the film by a long chalk. I don't know who that song from "The Dreamlife of Angels" is by, but only because I've forgotten. It's called Something or other Street. And don't think I didn't spot those two capital letters the other day, Andrew Dean. Yours sincerely, Sister Disco. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From the_fear66 at xxx.com Fri Jun 11 15:57:29 1999 From: the_fear66 at xxx.com (Matt Powell) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:57:29 GMT Subject: Sinister: Ooh, I've been let out to play Message-ID: <19990611145730.15346.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello everybody having recently graduated (from the nursery and not university � but that�s a different story) i have now been let loose at the sinister mob. Its been quite a wait as well, as there�s been several things I�ve been wanting to get involved in (this is the type equivalent of nervous waffle by the way). Firstly in the encounters with famous people department I spent a whole tube journey home one time sitting next to Brian Molko. I think his heavy make up, guitar strapped to his back, and the fact that his was reading his song sheets gave him away slightly. For any Londoner�s interest (or others who know where it is) he got off at Stratford. I wonder why? There�s been a lot of talk about Shed 7 recently, and one person in particular I remember said that they thought they would be bigger than Oasis. I must now shamefully admit that I saw Oasis in the early days, and the mighty sheds were in support. Oh, did I mention Cast were the third band on the bill that night? When are they going to release a greatest hits then? (sarcasm very much intended). I must say I find their latest offering a trifle offensive. Beat mama indeed. Is anyone else out there going to the garage tonight? I�m really looking forward to it. I�m always surprised by the real lack of decent nights out in London. You�d think in a place were it is claimed (by the mighty Catatonia of all people) that it never sleeps (anyone notice my appalling grammar yet by the way) that there would be something for everyone, but I�m finding it increasingly difficult to find anywhere that plays half decent music. Ah for the days of old when I listened to Neds, Carter USM and James, there seemed to be plenty of nights out then. Perhaps I was a little less picky, I don�t know. I best be off, as I don�t think that I get paid for doing this sort of stuff (yep, I�m another who has a cronic lack of work, and internet access � fools!). Turra Matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From melissa.thornton at xxx.ca Fri Jun 11 17:30:34 1999 From: melissa.thornton at xxx.ca (MelissaThornton) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:30:34 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Subject Schmubject.. as if my letter has any useful info. ha! References: <19990610030543.20044.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <376139A9.43B49ACB@utoronto.ca> > > > -The Rave-Ups are the band playing in the club scene. Molly Ringwald > wapparently a fan of their music, and her sister had a child with one > of the > band members. Also, in "Sixteen Candles", 'The Rave-Ups' is scrawled > on the > notebook Molly's character is carrying while walking down a corridor > after > study hall. > i remember in 9th grade, when i was absolutely obsessed w/ "sixteen candles", i wrote THE RAVE UPS on my binder in the exact same spot w/ the exact same writing...i even remember seeing a tape of theirs in a used record store, though i don't remember if i actually bought it... oh memories... emily. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Fri Jun 11 18:22:30 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:22:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Go and see Whistler, they're really rather good (no Shed Seven content) Message-ID: <376145D6.F550DEE@student.paisley.ac.uk> Blimey, I go away from my computer for two days and there's SO much stuff to respond to. So instead I shall blithely ignore everyone and instead urge as many of you as possible to find out about the utterly fantastic Whistler who(m) I saw at the 13th Note last night. Despite counting one of EMF amongst their number (the "talented" one, as opposed to the one that shoved pineapples up his foreskin or whatever he was alleged to have done, or the cute one, or the other two that no-one can remember - actually I can, but that would make me Carsmile Steve wouldn't it? More than slightly anal etc etc ), they were great. A few of their songs wouldn't have sounded out of place in a Belle and Sebastian set. What better compliment can I give? Go to www.whistler-music.com and hear for yourself. Especially Song About You. I want to go Tigermilkying tonight. I really *was* going to go, but unfortunately I have rent to pay and phone bills to pay and, erm, no job, so I can't. But I'm there with you in spirit, Mark and others, honest I am. You all realise that Mark's promise of real genuine pop stars is based on the fact that the Artist Formerly Known As Carsmile Steve might be popping in for a pint, don't you? I note that not content with nicking my list-crush vote-appeal tactics, Stuart Gardiner has also nicked my "please give me a job" tactics. Has that man no shame? (well, given absinthe-and-adultery shock revelations the other day, I think it's safe to assume he doesn't). Just remember, potential employers. I asked first. And I won't kiss your girlfriend. Onto other matters I gleaned from my thorough read through the posts of the last couple of days: Stu G, list tart extraordinaire, said I should be thankful that I don;t live in Cambridge and that at least I live somewhere with a decent social life. He has evidently never *been* to Paisley :) Saying that, for anyone that has, there is a terrific old man's karaoke bar (full of Jack Duckworth-a-likes singing "Delilah") and the bloke that runs it sings Placebo songs and scares the grannies. I'm going to go there tonight in lieu of Tigermilking. They also have Urusei Yatsura songs in the list of songs you can choose for the karaoke, though to the best of my knowledge, no-one has ever sung them. I'm not joking about this, by the way. The Club Bar, Moss Street, Paisley, if you're ever passing. The Adam said: > Getting back to the subject, i fail to see the point of Celine Dion [or > the anti christ as i know her...], besides the multi-million selling > brainwashed ballad kind o'thing, i mean is there any artistry at work or > merely an advertising budget the size of the Rawandan economy. Er, isn't *being* multi-million-selling the point of Celine Dion that you are struggling to find? Some people want integrity and to be "4-real", but some people just want oodles of money. And appealing to a lot of people is a pretty easy way of getting it if you have the wherewithal to do it. I'd bloody do it if I had any sort of singing voice at all (I do have a sort of singing voice, it's a dreadful sort). Take Sharon Stone for example, she has an IQ of Mensa-joining proportions but she chose to make her considerable fortune by appearing in Police Academy IV and the Calendar Girl Murders, and not wearing any knickers. And good for her I say. I think we may be getting back to the "is it wrong to be in it for the money" debate, well I say no, it isn't wrong, but I'm still glad some people do what exactly they want to and not just what buys them their latest nose-job. Though maybe to some that *is* more important than artistic integrity, therefore making it what they want to do. Rob then butted in with: > Finally, where are these ubiquitous photos of Ailsa then? I haven't seen any. Possibly because I am certainly not ubiquitous when cameras get produced. I *am* on the Sinister photo pages, but you have to look through a lot of photos. Needless to say, I am consuming alcohol in said photo. There are some truly dreadful photos of me from Bowlie, I imagine, but thankfully no-one has chosen to subject the world to them. Who said there were photos of me anyway? I missed that. Oh, and was Slow Graffiti really written specifically for the Acid House? I thought it had been around longer than that. Do you get paid shedloads of money if you get commissioned to write a song especially for a film? And where does that leave you in terms of artistic integrity, if you have to write a song to fit in with what the film bods want? DM,C,UK said: > Hmmmmmm, was that you Mark, still peering through that fringe? So whose fringe was *that* you were peering through then Mark? I said ages ago that the blokey drumming in the Bowlie queue was my old next door neighbour, I just forgot to mention that I used to live next door to Michael from V-Twin. Fat lot of use I am then. Simon from V-Twin (tambourine chap in photo) is from Inverness, you know. Him, and Graham Kemp from Urusei Yatsura, the Inverness pop mafia. Though Jimmy Page used to own Aleister Crowley's old spooky mansion a few miles down the road, just to continue my ability to tie lots of loose ends of threads together. And one of Smokie is from Drumnadrochit. I read in the paper that he's supposed to be playing at the opening of the new Loch Ness Monster Exhibition, but he's stuck in Mongolia where Smokie are bigger than the Beatles (sold 40,000 tickets in one day, there is apparently an 80,000 waiting list for tickets for the same gig). Whereas here they do novelty records with Roy "Chubby" Brown. Fame, eh? It's Friday night, I should have better things to do than this. So I'm going to go and do them. I just don't know what they are yet. Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Fri Jun 11 18:56:44 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:56:44 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Slow Graffiti Message-ID: <000001beb433$c4d24940$130114ac@CustomerServ..accounting> Ailsa asks teh question of whether or not writing a song for a film begets it's integrity? I don't think so. In fact, mroe to the point, I think it was extremely awesome that Irvin Welsch did that. The world is watching his films now, a world that might not know that all these great bands from Scotland exist. He had Arab Strap, The Delgadoes and few others write music for different parts of Acid House - as well as the Belle's. It's a great way for him to support the Glasgow scene with international exposure. Plus, the song is beautiful. Even before I saw the movie, I thought the song was amazing. this isn't any 'insider' information either - the song tells the story of Johny as it does in the movie - it's pretty easy to figure out if you had read the book before hand.... 'Slow Graffiti' was written for 'Soft Touch' which is the middle story in the three part story of Acid House - the movie. the first story (The Granton Cause or something like that..) - that has the Arab Strap song (me thinks....) was shown on Channel Four over a year before the film was released. I saw it then, and they changed nothing when it was on the big screen. So, I think the movie took a long time coming out. But, I would be wrong, I have been wrong before. In any regard. As far as compromising - who cares!?! IT's my very favourite song ever.... it's so beautiful... Mind you, the version on TIJAMRS is different from the one that was in the movie and was on the sound track. It think the one on the sound is most notable different because it leaves out the horn parts - but I could well be wrong again. By the Way, we have an evil firewall at work - so I can't get to the list crush - can someone tell me who is all on it and what their points are? I feel a little left out not knowing who's the hottest crush!!!! :) By private email if you will...... snoggs elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com Fri Jun 11 20:16:20 1999 From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:16:20 EDT Subject: Sinister: No Shed 7, Who, or paedophile content Message-ID: <202a296a.2492ba84@aol.com> I also don't mention Hitler, nuns, Big Bird, or the dirty things I saw you do last night. there, that should liven up the search engine a bit. First off, I'm a little surprised to see myself on the list crush site. Which one of you was responsible? Or did I vote for myself a while back? I forget. I have a question about that crush site.. It seems that a few people have 0 votes. If that's the case, then why are they even mentioned? No offense to them, of course. I'm not sure that I believe that all those people are on the Belle and Sebastian list, anyway. I mean, someone listed Rudy Ray Moore and Ani DiFranco. I wasn't aware that Dolemite was all that twee of a character. I had him pegged as a soul man, myself. And Ani, though worthy of a crush, is probably busy being a Righteous Babe and doesn't have time to wade through all the emails here. Is anyone interested in setting up a tape tree? or a tape exchange or what have you? and please mail ME, not the list, as I doubt that Honey wants the cogs of Sinister clogged with the plaintive letters of those looking for massively illegal bootlegs. I just got a nice copy of Bowlie Number One in the mail. The first two songs echo a little oddly, but it's definitely audible. and the problem seems to correct itself after a little while. Much like the Biblical reference to the physician healing himself. Although in my experience, doctors tend to just overmedicate themselves, the druggie bastards. well, i'm sure you all have quite had enough. let me end by saying that I like Mark's subject line about the Boombastic Pants. Does anyone other than me remember the jeans ad, claymation, i think it was where the man slid across a cable on a pair of trousers to rescue a girl from a flaming building. The background music was some adenoidal rumble by a doped up thug called Shaggy... warm regards to whoever voted for my sorry arse on the list crush site dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Fri Jun 11 21:42:45 1999 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:42:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sinister: A wandering minstrel's song is sad indeed... Message-ID: <002a01beb44a$f9a87920$bfcbb0c2@default> I have had many private e-mails asking why I call myself the original owner of a broken heart. The reason is simple yet sad - My entire experience of matters of the heart is rejection after rejection after rejection. Come the 5th July, my cards will read '18 and never been kissed'. *sigh* Onwards now to happier matters; I'm still looking for Cumbernauld sinisterines - I'm beginning to give up hope.... Where can I get a B&S poster - big as possible? I haven't found even the slightest mention of such items anywhere. Do they even exist? If not, why not? The B&S newsgroup is dying and is in urgent need of a transfusion, please, give just 1 minute every day, you too could save the group..... A new discussion topic for you - which cartoon should they bring back to shame the current pathetic attempts? My vote would be either Transformers or Visionaries. Both were amazing compared to modern replicas. That's all for now, please.... stay happy in whatever you do, you never know when you won't do it again. Cheerio. -- Jason Andreas -- The Romantic Scotsman -- -- The original owner of a broken heart -- { jasonandreas at breathemail.net } -- contact me ... oh yes! -- -- Spammers WILL be shot... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From igh1 at xxx.uk Fri Jun 11 23:18:07 1999 From: igh1 at xxx.uk (Ian Hatcher) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:18:07 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: Sinister: Re:A wandering minstrel's song is sad indeed... In-Reply-To: <002a01beb44a$f9a87920$bfcbb0c2@default> Message-ID: Jason said: > A new discussion topic for you - which cartoon should > they bring back to shame the current pathetic attempts? > My vote would be either Transformers or Visionaries. Both > were amazing compared to modern replicas. Both classics, undoubtedly, but what about He-Man and M.A.S.K?? Although come to think of it, anything would be better than the pants on the tellybox today. B&S related thingymajig: Has anyone heard any rumours about Bowlie 3????? Y'see, I missed the first one due to a gross miscalculation, and, although the line-up for Bowlie 2 is pdg, it ain't as good as the first one (due mainly to the absence of the Belles). By the way, Reading or T In The Park????? I'm already going to V99, want to go to T In The Park, but the Flaming Lips are playing Reading. All those who saw them at Bowlie (lucky b******s:-), were they really good enough to spend a whole day putting up with the likes of Offspring and Terrorvision????? Sorry for all this unrelated stuff, I'll just get me coat then . . . Ian. ------------------ Ian Hatcher igh1 at ukc.ac.uk Rutherford JCC Ents #1 Tune into the Albino Squirrel Show every Thursday 2-4pm on UKCR "The clock may not mean much to rabbits and owls Depending on darkness and light." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ceeiaea at xxx.uk Fri Jun 11 23:36:16 1999 From: ceeiaea at xxx.uk (Iain Alexander Edward Anderson) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:36:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: mr anderson and his ramblings Message-ID: well, after a long time being on this list, and after having completed 97% of my degree, i've decided to post my second message in about a year and a half or so. i *should* have posted more over the time spent on this list, but i've been really busy doing work and well... okay, i'm really really shy and had/have nothing interesting to say, but for my last two weeks of free internet access, i want to use it as much as possible. jason, you're from cumbernauld, i'm from uddingston, home of the world famous tunnocks biscuit factory (yes, that's right kids, the producers of the world famous teacakes, caramel wafers, caramel logs and the snowballs). it may not be cumbernauld, but it's still part of north lanarkshire, so i'll give you this piece of advise from one north lanarkshire person to another: you may *claim* to be the original owner of a broken heart but trust me you're definitely not. if anybody takes the pish or says stuff to make you feel down, respond with the classic "two fingers up to you my friend" and ignore them. somebody will come along and mend your broken heart. it happened to me, until she broke it again, and i've yet to recover from it, but i have faith that somebody else will appear and fix it gain. seek and ye shall find, as it says in the bible or somewhere else, or something like that. well kiddies, not long now until the best band in the entire world ever, the band that music was invented for, o***s release another album which will no doubt bore me to death yet again. when that album is released, we have the choice of either 1. buying/copying/stealing (not that i'm suggesting you copy the album, or steal it. no that is illegal. actually, buying it should be made illegal as well) their new album, and go around feeling "mad fer it" and acting like you're the dogs jiggily bits. 2. not buying it, not caring about o***s, and suffering endless abuse from the sheep...i mean the o***s fans for not liking the greatest band of all time, and instead listening to "shite" unimportant music. anyway i have to admit i once liked o***s, up until they released their second album which i though was one of the most uninteresting albums i had listened to ever. and then one day i heard belle and sebastian on mark radcliffe's radio show, and thay changed my life. they were what i had been waiting for. a group who i could "relate" to, and who gave me music which did not make me feel better than everybody else. for me, belle and sebastian produce music for people who want to listen to it, and not listen to it becasause it's "fashionable". anyway, i've rambled on for long enough, and i'm feeling very very drunk at the moment, and i doubt any of this message makes much sense, so i'd better go and bore some of my friends now. finally a quick hello to roderick alexander begbie. i hope your life after hairy-twat university has been enjoyable. i'll tell you this for free, the hwcee newsgroups haven't been the same since you left. bye kids, take care, and i hope to post another message soon. -iain *** What are you gonna do after the tiger's gone? *** -this e-mail has been brought to you by anderson communications (c)1999 anderson quality product (c)1991 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vlass at xxx.com Fri Jun 11 23:32:29 1999 From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:32:29 -0400 Subject: Sinister: summer dress Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990611223229.006bef84@mail.interlog.com> well well, it has come to that point where it is time for me to pack my suitcase and hop on a plane to see father and other family sorts while still managing to paint the town red in athens. or something. but this year there's an added bonus because i'm going to london from june 29th - july 7th, and as natasha so kindly pointed out, there WILL be a picnic on the weekend of the 3rd/4th? right? i have canadian goodcheer to spread and i'll be triple the fun because i'll have emily and kevin-m's spirits with me. everyone with details about this, please email me at my hitherto (that's spelled wrong, hmmmm? bah) address ==> magnetic13 at hotmail.com. okay. you guys are so influential that i went out and bought a herman hesse book. but all i could find was "stepenwolf", so i'll make do with that even though it sounds like it should be about an 80s metal band. anyway.. i hope everyone has lovely summers etc.. see you soon? teri come see me in computer form: http://members.tripod.com/~meltingsnow/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rwjf1 at xxx.uk Sat Jun 12 00:28:09 1999 From: rwjf1 at xxx.uk (Robert Fisk) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:28:09 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: Sinister: Re:A wandering minstrel's song is sad indeed... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Jason said: > > A new discussion topic for you - which cartoon should > > they bring back to shame the current pathetic attempts? > > My vote would be either Transformers or Visionaries. Both > > were amazing compared to modern replicas. I really do think that they should bring back the Belle & Sebastian cartoon. It was simply fantastic and probably my fave cartoon about a boy and his St.Bernard dog. Call me cynical but I think that when B&S have their first no.1 the TV companies will cash in by putting the cartoon back on. If they did actually put the cartoon back on it would be weird. In this day and age groups have shows to promote their songs and then release stuff whereas people would no longer remember the B&S cartoon. Perhaps the B&S cartoon was the precursor to No Sweat and the Miami 7 show. I think that it is just a coincidence and any similarity is purely coincidental. Robert ___________________________________________ Robert Fisk rwjf1 at ukc.ac.uk Rutherford JCC Comms Sticky Fanzine Editor +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Assistant Head of Music UKC Radio 1350 MW | | Office: 01227 823294 Studio: 01227 823301 Fax:01227 464625 | |Web: http://listen.to/UKCRadio/ E-mail:ukcr at ukc.ac.uk | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Don't forget to listen to the Albino Squirrel Show every Thursday 2-4pm on UKCR. "E.T. phone home." - E.T. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Sat Jun 12 00:52:36 1999 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:52:36 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Bowlie 3 In-Reply-To: References: <002a01beb44a$f9a87920$bfcbb0c2@default> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990611165236.04e01660@mail.hooked.net> At 11:18 PM 6/11/99 +0100, Ian Hatcher wrote: >B&S related thingymajig: Has anyone heard any rumours about >Bowlie 3????? Y'see, I missed the first one due to a gross >miscalculation, and, although the line-up for Bowlie 2 is >pdg, it ain't as good as the first one (due mainly to the >absence of the Belles). It's quite a bummer that Belle and Sebastian are missing from that Bowlie 2 line up. I had been planning a holiday across the pond for that very reason, but alas, they shant be playing. I'm just curious how many folks will change their minds about going to Bowlie just because Stu & co won't be on the ticket. 20%? 50%? 80%? I'm sure the second one will be just as a success as the first, since the first sounded fairly amazing. Such is the way with these sorts of events, until they become big, choke on their own bloated trendiness, and then fall comatose in the corner when the next one rolls around. I'd like to think otherwise, but SXSW, Lollapalooza, etc. all seemed to start in similar ways. Then again, Yoyo A Gogo and some others seem to have held out. Maybe the small numbers of people/chalets will curb a truly mammoth version from ever rearing its ugly head... senor droolcup [ ashamed for missing the first Bowlie ] +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com Sat Jun 12 07:29:18 1999 From: Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com (Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 02:29:18 EDT Subject: Sinister: i've come to announce my unhappy birthday Message-ID: <98e80173.2493583e@aol.com> hi all. in a half hour i will be 21 and i don't have the slightest twinge of excitement. for the last almost year i had been planning on spending it with my girlfriend, but we're taking a goddamn break right now. if your girlfriend ever wants to take a break, say no. they're no good. i've also got the flu and am on lots of medication so i can't go out and get drunk. what's the fun of a 21st birthday if you can't get drunk and don't have anyone to be sober with? the gods are laughing at me. you can all cheer me up by sending presents though. it's never too late. i'd really like a videotape of calvin johnson when he was on mtv europe or the belle and sebastian program. i also like candy that i can't get here like coffee crisps and wispaccinos. if anyone can get my girlfriend back i'd definitely take that. i guess i'll settle for a crush vote though. here's my best brush with celebrity...when i was a kid living in hawaii, my mom's boss belonged to the same beach club as tom selleck(in the magnum p.i. days) and i hung out with him on the beach a couple times. he bought me cokes and french fries. he was really hairy. i have his autograph. i guess that's that. oh, i was born on friday the 13th. my mom says it explains everything. take care. *alyssa marie* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Sat Jun 12 10:02:31 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:02:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re:A wandering minstrel's song is sad indeed... Message-ID: >Both classics, undoubtedly, but what about He-Man and >M.A.S.K?? don't you dare forget She-Rah! There are some good cartoons out there at the moment, they just don't exist on normal tv (i.e having 4 channels). Which leaves lots of us buggered, really... I was coming back from the belle and sebastian club night thingy at the garage last night, when a man sitting across from me started to roll a joint. At this point another man on the train, who looked strangely like columbo (yes, with the dirty mack) told him he was from the police and whippped a fake plastic police badge out of his pocket. I had to stop myself from laughing out loud. I was trying to fall asleep but the people sitting on the side of me insisted on analysing the relationship of Victoria Adams and David Beckham, very loudly. If you were at the garage, I hope you didn't notice my half-arsed attempt at dancing when they played suede came on. I should have stopped myself but I love that song too much. Hello to anyone I talked to, which erm, isn't that many.. Erica x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From arete at xxx.com Sat Jun 12 06:21:46 1999 From: arete at xxx.com (Sean de Vega) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:21:46 -0600 Subject: Sinister: more than the whole wide world... Message-ID: <41199966124214616@earthdome.com> hello, darlings! this is my long-awaited first post on the list, and i'd just like to take the opportunity to introduce myself to all of you. my name is sean, and i enjoy music and collect little british houses. really, though, they're all the rage. country british thingies! they're adorable. i have particularly enjoyed the discussion of sarah cracknell... hoorah!!! some of you already know me (paula! courtney! *wheeee!*) i am twenty-four and live in houston, texas. i graduated from high school in the hague, the netherlands, then did a bit of school and then did the four-year navy thing. i'll be attending the university of houston honors college this coming fall, studying classics. wars and gay men! wheeeeeee!! right now i am listening to an old spacemen 3 album. i am also drinking fruit juice. i am doing this only because i have not the motivation nor the surplus energy to get my arse up to go and purchase some fuller's london porter. fruit juice is good for the something, i'm sure. well, my dachshund beckons. i need to put in felt; my dog likes felt. he always chills out in my lap when i throw this lp in. my dog is really swell! fuchsia! sean! xoxox * one half of the north american faction of the booze explosion collective (tm) + this message approved by mr. pants _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Sat Jun 12 17:32:28 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:32:28 EDT Subject: Sinister: Bowlie 3 Message-ID: <88c23c29.2493e59c@aol.com> In a message dated 6/11/99 7:56:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pants at orpheusdesign.com writes: << It's quite a bummer that Belle and Sebastian are missing from that Bowlie 2 line up. I had been planning a holiday across the pond for that very reason, but alas, they shant be playing. I'm just curious how many folks will change their minds about going to Bowlie just because Stu & co won't be on the ticket. 20%? 50%? 80%? >> Thats why my friends and I canceled our plans to cross the ocean as well. I really dig the Bowlie II line-up (especially Blonde Redhead who are tops in my book) but we're all huge B&S fans and since I doubt we could afford to go to Bowlie II and III, we're holding out in the hopes that Struan and the gang make their presence known at the December bash. I hope with a new album due out shortly beforehand, it'd be a good sign that they would play...maybe they'll bring their good friend Elliott Smith along as well! Cross your fingers... steve c. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Sat Jun 12 17:52:46 1999 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (Marie Elia) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: blue veins Message-ID: <19990612165246.403.rocketmail@web126.yahoomail.com> (stupid email server kicked me off! let me try sending this again....) hello, you smutty, drunken lot! i hope the tigermilking was, erm, productive. today the doctor made me go get blood drawn. i was terrified, so i wore my stow shirt for courage, though i feared some sort of freak accident involving stuck veins and spurting blood... so they tied one of those foul-smelling rubber tourniquets around my arm, but no vein. they stuck the back of my hand. no blood. then they tried my arm again, this time with my mum stepping in, being a nurse and all. no blood. so then they stuck two of my fingers and spent 15 mins squeezing out as much blood as possible. i feel like a pincushion, and i almost passed out. but they gave me a purple lollipop, and who can be upset with a lolli in her mouth? (erm, yeah....) so i left the clinic with a band-aid in my pocket and tear stains up and down my face, but sucking on my purple lolli... and i said to my mum, "at least you know i'll never be a heroin addict". i don't know why she wasn't amused. in about an hour i'll be hopping a train down to greenwhich village to engage in cd shopping like it's my job. i think i deserve it, after being stuck by a nurse in heart-patterned scrubs all morning. i planned on getting wonderfully sloshed, too, but seeing as how they stole my blood and made me all light-headed, that's probably not a good idea. la la la la la (now guess which b&s song Those "la's" come from!) take care! (kisskiss, kimmy!) xoxo, marie ps. One Month 'Til Tigermilk!!! === ***************************************************** * * * "if you can hold yr breath, * * you can touch the sand with yr hand" - karate * * * ***************************************************** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From P68d6ern at xxx.com Sat Jun 12 19:17:50 1999 From: P68d6ern at xxx.com (P68d6ern at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:17:50 EDT Subject: Sinister: My First Posting Message-ID: <6aaa1a45.2493fe4e@aol.com> Hello Everyone: Surprisingly I do not have much to say at the moment; so perhaps I will tell you a bit about myself. I recently turned 31 and I am currently working towards my Ph.D. (History), and I live in New York City. Music? Well, of course I like music. My favorites--other than Belle and Sebastian--are: the Beatles, Yo La Tengo, East River Pipe, Guided By Voices, Palace (Bros., Songs, etc.), you know stuff like that. Oh yeah, I really love the French composer Erik Satie. Oh, I do have one Belle and Sebastian related story. It would appear that my friends are much too "cool" to listen to bands such as Belle and Sebastian. About two years ago I made a mix tape for a friend of mine; this tape included the song Judy and the Dream of Horses, and his reaction to the song was: "how could you listen to this, it has a I IV V progression?" Now, this person is not a Knitting Factory jazz freak, but there is this attitude among a certain segment of the so-called "downtown scenesters" of my fair city that look down upon any form of music that is not "difficult" to listen to. Meaning if a song lacks dissonance, or has a basic chord progression, this song is not worth listening to--well, what can one do? Not much, except to be secure in the knowledge that some people are allowing their notions of "hipness" interfere with what can be a pleasurable listening experience (was there enough sarcasm in that sentence?). Sorry for that rant. Hopefully in the future my postings will be much more interesting. Thank-you, and have a nice day. Joseph +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk Sat Jun 12 21:04:26 1999 From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:04:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: tea or gin? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From lohammer at xxx.no Sat Jun 12 21:47:08 1999 From: lohammer at xxx.no (Erlend Hammer) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:47:08 +0200 Subject: Sinister: A small request: shameless exploitation of Sinister Message-ID: <199906122052.WAA09435@online.no> Hi. Please pardon my non-B&S-related intrusion, but I'm somewhat desperate here. Yes. Is there anyone out there who could kindly get me a copy of this week's NME, the one with the Glasto live CD. The CDs never make it to Norway so usually I only get to read about the included CDs. But this time there's a live, unreleased Orbital track on it and I therefore must, must, must have it, have it, have it. If anyone can do this for me they shall be handsomely rewarded with a mix-tape or two, or a list crush vote or whatever. Okay, thanks. Erlend (who's never met a celebrity, not even a Norwegian one. Erlend is also sitting at home on a Saturday night, listening to Flying Saucer Attack and feeling slightly miserable knowing that he's got an oral exam on Monday, one for which he hasn't studied worth a damn. ). ps. if anyone's interested in spending the last months of their millenium travelling around Italy with a Norwegian art-fag, please e-mail me privately. Okay, I'm shutting up now. Really I am. ûﾺ.‚m£*.o+az·›¢¹ÒŠx¬µêæj)bž b²ß¾N‹ Ûh¶¥ŠËfj)lŠx¬µêæj:+v‰¨ëS¢éì¹» ®&Þ±éݺ{.nÇ+‰·¬Šx¬µêè®éì¹» ®&Þ²)â²×«v( ²Ûh™¨è­Ú&¢f£¢·hš‰Þµe–†Ûiÿü0Âf£¢·hš‰Þ·û"ž+-z¿¾•è"¢zmçk¢‰¬i×huëèµç¬µç! 東©Ý²Ûz{lûﾶœj·b{š®)àn+ º+g‰¶åŠxzY^±æڲؚžX¬·ï¾ú7¥—'â–Wu©â²¬ûï¾ From lohammer at xxx.no Sat Jun 12 21:47:08 1999 From: lohammer at xxx.no (Erlend Hammer) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:47:08 +0200 Subject: DELIVERY FAILURE: Error transferring to GBTC-ETL-NM01/ETL/ERICSSON mail.box; Cannot convert MIME message to Notes Rich Text message. Message-ID: <199906122052.WAA09435@online.no> Your message Subject: Sinister: A small request: shameless exploitation of Sinister was not delivered to: ETLRDHY at notes.ericsson.se because: Error transferring to GBTC-ETL-NM01/ETL/ERICSSON mail.box; Cannot convert MIME message to Notes Rich Text message. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Erlend Hammer" Subject: Sinister: A small request: shameless exploitation of Sinister Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:47:08 +0200 Size: 4671 URL: From sarah at xxx.uk Sat Jun 12 22:14:52 1999 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:14:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: theres a crack in that pavement, get it fixed else you'll fall over Message-ID: Hello, All I can say to Paula is that hey obsession is as important to P!O!P! (I wonder if filters are in effect...) as scrambled eggs are important to toast. That is VERY. You can be into P!O!P! without being obsessional, but its not as GOOD. It isn't truly P!O!P! You see what I'm doing? I'm trying to be the duke but without a degree in pop music or a book or something. In fact with nothing but a gift for staying in on Saturday night. Making sense? Me? Never? Just hope you never hear "Travelling Light" by the Tindersticks in any emotionally charged situations. MY GOD. Did you know that single mothers are going to be banned from council flats now? If you're an unmarried mother, you're going to be shoved in a hostel instead of a shit estate. VIVA LA REVOLUCIÓN. Dammit! Sarah +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From classyguapo at xxx.com Sat Jun 12 23:21:11 1999 From: classyguapo at xxx.com (Thomas Murphy) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:21:11 PDT Subject: Sinister: with one hand on my heart and the other on my bodington's Message-ID: <19990612222112.13391.qmail@hotmail.com> oh boy my first post dear hearts! like young seanathan of houston i also am doing the navy thing with a bit more time left, although being in san antonio i am frequently able to forget this. however, the point was driven home rather forcefully when this morning at 5 am they woke my hungover ass up and searched my room for dope and anything else they didn't like. if you feel your urine is underappreciated, join the u.s. military. ok i'm done now. after this episode i stewed a bit and then summoned the chutzpah necessary to purchase some bodington's and sam adams. and that's how i got here. hence the subject line. apparently i've been made the other half of the north american booze explosion contingency, but it's an honor that can easily be divided into thirds, quarters, etc. besides b&s i'm into the television personalities, modern lovers, elvis costello, thelonious monk and antonio carlos jobim. well, that's all i can think of now. peace, love and euphony to all thom i want the world to stop and stare whenever it sees me, but most of all i want to be in david hockney's diary. - david hockney's diary television personalities _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From drsquid at xxx.com Sun Jun 13 03:08:36 1999 From: drsquid at xxx.com (Alex Davies) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:08:36 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Fw: I have no mouth and I must speak Message-ID: <003501beb541$a5bbc2c0$7e157018@hnsn1.on.wave.home.com> "If you're a poet, you do something beautiful. I mean you're supposed to leave something beautiful after you get off this page and everything. The ones you're talking about don't leave a single, solitary thing beautiful. All that maybe the slightly better ones do is sort og get inside your head and leave something there, but just beacause they do, just because they know how to leave something it doesn't have to be a poem, for heaven's sake. It may be some terribly fascinating, syntaxy droppings--excuse the expression." Alex +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pulpbot at xxx.com Sun Jun 13 03:45:16 1999 From: Pulpbot at xxx.com (Pulpbot at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:45:16 EDT Subject: Sinister: touch me, I'm sick (nope, no b&s content) Message-ID: <4ce9e385.2494753c@aol.com> ..Because I can't stop buying records. I think I've bought about 30 in the past few weeks. Granted, I was in New York City and I have a friend visiting who's record-crazy, so I've been shopping more than normal, but I'm starting to feel over-accumulating. I was driving home this evening, free-form self pity taking hold, and I thought, well, I could stop at Tower and see if they have the Go-Betweens best of on cassette (most beloved format, I'm sad at your slow decline), and that would make me feel better. Then I thought, what the fuck, that's five minutes of walking into the record store, seizing the purchase, paying for it, feeling some anticipation before fucking off back home, everything same as before. I always get some tiny thrill out of filing away a new purchase, then surveying my entire collection, now a mite bigger. I dunno. I've been fairly anti-religion, because I just think it's a crutch for weak people who can't find faith in themselves, but sometimes my rancor feels hypocritical as I'm also trying to fill a void or big question mark in my head with the meaning I get from books, music, movies, etc, while others use Jesus or whomever. Granted, no one has yet started a Holy War to force, say, Belle and Sebastian on the heathens. Um ,enough. Would someone please change my diaper? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Sun Jun 13 04:41:43 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E Hamilton) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:41:43 -0400 Subject: Sinister: oral stimulation, outta my brain on the train, woooo! Message-ID: <000d01beb54e$a847b1e0$a01574cc@woody> oh you text based fools, i apologize for not writing in a whole long time. sometimes things get a bit out of control and i lose focus for a bit, but then, all of a sudden, some time later, everything floods back into focus, a bit like han solo and his hibernation sickness. poor chewie, so expressive, but so unintelligible! i must admit that all of today has been spent making my home on the web. yes that's right, blakie will soon have a web page up and running. actually, i musn't lie, especially considering the sabbath is twenty minutes away, it's actually half done, and it does exist somewhere, oh somewhere on the net. i bet nobody can find it, crumpets to anyone who can! i am considering the idea of publishing a small nihilistic zine on my site, that is, if i get any sort of interest from you B&S brood. i don't want to have all the senseless drivel on my site written exclusively by me. so somebody, give me submissions, and i promise i'll publish them (especially if it is smutty. smut is great, i'll admit). my site is called 'nuclear trout' and i think it sounds like a metal band. but, i like it nonetheless. i am debating whether to put my picture up on the site (which i can do) so i'm using this post as a feeling out delivery. if i get some responses, begging, oh so begging for my picture, then i'll put it up there. this way i'll 1) see if anyone wants to see my darling features and 2) if anyone really makes it this far in my posts. now i won't, as has been the tradition in the past on this list (aaaaaaaaa-HEM!) solicit list crush votes for my picture. now that is just wrong people! but admittedly quite meaty for one's ego. i saw that i'm around 30th on the list crush list. it's a bit disappointing, but i think that i've had my heart broken so many times out here in la la land that it all rolls off of my back and into a nasty little puddle that you find on the corners of busy roads. well, i hope to hear from some (all one thousand and how many would be preferred) sinister folk, and if not, well, i'll pout, and keep all my crumpets, to myself. kisses blake -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "Fuck!" - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lonelyhighway at xxx.com Sun Jun 13 05:14:54 1999 From: lonelyhighway at xxx.com (Corpora Arenacea) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:14:54 PDT Subject: Sinister: le dejeuner sur le rocque creeque Message-ID: <19990613041455.54889.qmail@hotmail.com> The DC picnic was wonderful... everyone brought food, but me. Also, it seems that everybody found the campsite, but me. I had to walk the Earth like Cain from Kung Fu before I finally came upon it. I was happy to see lots of non-list people there, too.... chickened out on bringing my own reprobate friends... though if you think explaining what "krautrock" is to someone is hard, try to explain "BritPop" without sounding like a dork. Croquet! Baklava! Arm wrestling! Lepidopteran invasion! No "We met through yahoo!" Oh- and I got to see the fabled Jamboree tattoo. Carried it all the way from Olympia on her chest, Courtney did. And was forced to admit that I had no idea of who Monie Love is even though I was wearing one of her t-shirts. No, not one of her own personal t-shirts. Well, it may have been. I remember getting pissed off at Public Enemy once for being so good. I was angry because they wouldn't just give me their music for free, because they cared. I had to pay them to give me their gift. So there you have it, the loneliness of the middle-distance record shopper. -Eran _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com Sun Jun 13 06:00:58 1999 From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:00:58 EDT Subject: Sinister: the sheer f***ing mathematics of it all Message-ID: Well, due to a fucking idiot changing his mind at 12:00 this afternoon, I didn't make the DC picnic. I wish i had. sounds like a load of fun, and could we please have another one in August? I swear I'll get to that one, if it means hijacking a bus and making Sandra Bullock drive me there at speeds no less than 55 miles per hour. Sorry, UK listees, I don't know what that converts to in kilometers. My requests for people to work on a tape exchange has been met with near-deafening silence. Except for two people. Come on, you people like music, or you wouldn't be on this list. Right? which one of you pop bastards voted for me in the list crush site? I'll mail you a bootleg tape in sheer gratitude dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From melissa.thornton at xxx.ca Sun Jun 13 06:10:00 1999 From: melissa.thornton at xxx.ca (MelissaThornton) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:10:00 -0400 Subject: Sinister: self-defense for the defenseless References: <19990613041455.54889.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <37633D28.67CFF7D9@utoronto.ca> my heart is beating quite rapidly... i went to see a very lovely band play tonight... the band (hershal savage and the american flag) succeeded (sp?) in setting a happy mood for the rest of my summer days.. i took the streetcar home and , due to my cheerfullness, decided not to "request-a-stop" as my house is on a main street and only half a block away from the stop... anywho, everything was fine until a car pulled over a few houses down...no one got out...(oh, i'm starting to shake just from typing this)...i thought that it would probably be best that i cross the street until i got past the car, and cross back over to my house... so cross the street i did. only.... as soon as i was across from the car it started up again... i walked a little faster...i could see the light on in the living room in my house...my adrenalin was pumping and i coulndn't help but see the nuttyness in possibly being kid-napped outside of my own home when my mother was probably still awake... but no..i couldn't let these thoughts full my mind... i started to cross over and the car pulled over on an angle a few steps on front of me.. i ran like i never ran before..and made my way up the stairs of my house.. but.. on the way up i dropped my cardigan ...i had to let it go, as it did not really matter... i came in and told my mummy what happened and we looked to see if the car had left... it did (i don't think who ever it was would stick around).. i walked over to stairs and retreaved my sweater.. does anyone have any good self defense tips...preferably ways to transform a flimsy cardigan into a sword... well, it seems that my pulse is slowing down a bit.... yours etc. emily. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mariannebratlie at xxx.com Sun Jun 13 12:09:50 1999 From: mariannebratlie at xxx.com (Marianne Bratlie) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 04:09:50 PDT Subject: Sinister: bowlie pics.? strange dream, Bergen. Message-ID: <19990613110952.10022.qmail@hotmail.com> hi... At Bowlie, I were one of those poor people who got their camera taken away. I thought God had sent me some kind of help when a chap said he would sent me copies, (he promised three times! )well, what can I say, some can not be trusted. So, now I have given up, (I even sent him looper photos! So much for that.)he couldn`t possible use this long time if he intended to give them to me. So I turn to you, to ask if anyone has pics. I can get a copy of? It would be great. I haven`t reached over all the mail yet, but in one of the mails I have read, I saw someone mention Celine Dion, hm. There is a girl at my school, she has a "Celine Dion fanclub Goldcard". I really envy her that, it`s made with a gold colour and suits nicely in your wallet with your Visa and stuff. Do alchohol affect your dreams? I admit falling a sleep not too sober, and now I`ve had a dream where I met the coming king of Norway, and Morten Harket, singer in the 80`s band A-HA.(In the same person, maybe he was one of Supermans� enemies, one of those with capasity to change himself into what he wants to be) I Were going into this pub, and on the corner were someone looking like H�kon,(prince),I thought, hm funny, and remembered seeing him at a rage against the machine concert at norwegian festival two summers ago, wondered if he remembered,(I have seen him there, that was not a dream). I walked up to him, and got his signature, then -when I was close, I saw that it was Morten...and I told him that I hadn`t seen that it was him untill now. He smiled. Across the street came some person dressed like someone from the castle. I think he was a person who looked for royal people as a job or hobby (anything is possible when you dream), and then suddenly ,he was H�kon again, and as I went in the door to the pub, I smiled and said, a royal people seeker? Ironic. And it was as if we had a secret, I knowing that it was H�kon sitting there, the man just walking by not noticing. In the beginning of this dream, I were with friends friends, and somehow they looked like hippies. My friend pointed at a pickture I had painted, and said "that is his favourite painting in the world". (one of the friends friends). So , somehow I had become a famous artist. Not the commercial kind, but like an "underground painter with a high status amongs those who knew about my work". ehh, this is just getting out of hand, I will say no more. Almost, I can not see any explanation to theese dreams, usually you can link dreams to situations you experienced during the day, but I can not remember meeting old pop stars and kings. Not becoming a famous artist either. Well, take care. Marianne ps It is abit funny, and I thought I should let you all know, that after mailing with a norwegian sinister chap, (one of the few),I asked where he lived, and wow, we live in the same city! well, I live on an island outside, but it takes only 15 min. to drive to Bergen. He says I am a..what do you call it in english? A bad nickname for someone from the country is what I`m looking for. But I told him that there is nothing wrong with being from Ask�y, we have pretty nature and other places to be than the shopping mall.(I am refering to the typical city youngsters who dresses like they are bimboes and do nothing but hanging around, not that he is that kind of person.) So, now there are two members of "sinister-Bergen" Hooray!!!! (Hei Erlend, det var greit at jeg fortalte om dette? Eller? Uansett bryr jeg meg ikke, duer jo fra "ikkeverdensnavle" Moss, og har derfor ingenting � si her. Ask�y ruler !!! (rulAr, med skarre "r") Cheers, and compliments to you who have followed me this far. Marianne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Sun Jun 13 13:26:33 1999 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:26:33 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: LL cool J Message-ID: Hey folks! A claim to fame: A friend of mine bumped into Siegfried from All Creatures Great And Small the other day. She didn't speak to him though. There you go, sorry for making you all jealous. It's a bit disappointing if Slow Graffiti is really so literal, although it goes to show how lucid Stuart's lyrics are I suppose. I mean, even though the lyrics aren't; There's a bloke With a wife Who's been having up the bum sex With the bloke upstairs You can still understand the desperation of this chap's predicament. I've been in two minds for a while whether I want to see The Acid House but I don't think I will. I prefer my own version of events. It involves dirty skylights and tiled floors and a sailor and is really quite exciting. And anyway, I think Irvine Welsh is a tit. Rising to Alan's challenge, here's a karaoke-story thingy for Lazy Line Painter Jane. It's like Belle and Sebastian meets Open All Hours, hope you like it: Here's Jane, working in the village second hand shop - "The Joy Of Giving". They sell all sorts of things. Today Jane is putting up a poster - "Led Zeppelin world tour 1988", but it keeps falling down. Oh dear, here comes her boss, Mr Legs - he doesn't look happy. This morning she came in with mud on her knees and now she can't even stick up a poster. He's going to give her one last chance. Captain Cockle the crusty old seaman is getting rid of some stuff, and he needs some of it moving. "You will have a buoy tonight" says Mr Legs, "You will have a buoy tonight - on the first bus out of town". And he gives her some bus money. It's lunchtime. Jane walks along the lane past the school. On the school field there's a class of girls playing games and running and jumping and hula-hooping. Jane used to love PE. She starts running. She runs along the street, then down towards the beach, jumping puddles and challenging stiles on the way. "Boo to the business world" she thinks, she's going to spend the rest of the day on the beach. Down on the beach she sees a girl walking from deckchair to deckchair, trying to sell holidays to the sunbathers. The back of her t-shirt says "tax free". Oh for a job like that thinks Jane, and she remembers Mr Legs's booming voice - "You will have a buoy tonight. You will have a buoy tonight - on the first bus out of town" Sitting on the sand, Jane turns her mind to other things. Last week, whilst licking railings, she found a tiny sparrow with a broken wing. She took it home, and ever since it's been living in one of her shoes. Now it's getting big, and noisy, and she's worried her mum will find out. It doesn't even look like a sparrow anymore, more like a thrush in fact - it looks a bit stupid really. Jane tosses a coin and the decision is made. She'll buy some rat poison from the chemist. That'll shut the bugger up. Jane stays on the beach all day, and when the sun begins to set and a chill wind blows in from the sea, she curls up in a bus shelter to sleep. She'd forgotten about Mr Legs and all her problems altogether until the first bus from town turns up, and she remembers what she was supposed to do. Never mind, she thinks, she can always paint lines again. Hmm... It's not exactly karaoke is it? And sorry about the crusty old seaman - I was trying to keep it clean, honest. Bye for now Robin xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From A.Arvanitis at xxx.uk Sun Jun 13 17:54:29 1999 From: A.Arvanitis at xxx.uk (A.Arvanitis at xxx.uk) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:54:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Bon weekend 3 In-Reply-To: <199906112240.QAA01806@turtle.esosoft.net> from "sinister-digest" at Jun 11, 99 04:40:30 pm Message-ID: <199906131654.RAA24694@surrey.ac.uk> Hello from your usual man in Daresbury! Yes, it's me again and one more of those useless email. We've just come back from the "Ring 'o Bells", the local pub. We had a good meal and one beer each. Now we're back and while Spyros is reading about his future in the greek army (instructions towards future soldiers from the greek ministry of defence) I was wondering what to do... Yes, you'll be the victim of my incessant blubbering again. :-) I can't think of anything serious to say. I have been reading the recent reports about Springsteen's latest concerts in Paris, Spain and Italy. I wish I could see him again. You'll probably think I'm sick, and you may be right. But, god, I like his music. I'm crazy and I think that's the only obsession of mine. Not the only one. I have one more. You and Anette must be in London now. That's good. I hope the weather is nice so that you can enjoy the walk. Hyde Park is a good walk, and Thames but not in the centre of London. The Thames is better if you go to Chiswick or Hammersmith or thereabouts. Charing cross Road I like as well. Lots of bookshops there. But I guess, being women, you'll probably want to go to Harrods and Oxford Street for shopping (well, you don't really buy anything at Harrods, this shop is extremely expensive). I feel sleepy now. It's the food and the beer. I think I'll go lay on the grass outside, next to the canal. I could sleep for a while. And dream. Take care, Aris -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Aristeidis Arvanitis E-Mail: A.Arvanitis at surrey.ac.uk Process and Physical Metallurgy Group Department of Materials Science & Engineering University of Surrey Guildford, Surrey GU2 5XH, U.K. Telephone : +44 (0)1483 300800 (Ext. 2433) Fax : +44 (0)1483 259508 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From RPushong at xxx.com Sun Jun 13 19:57:21 1999 From: RPushong at xxx.com (RPushong at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:57:21 EDT Subject: Sinister: don't drink the water ...drink the beer!(1st post jitters) Message-ID: hello my fellow sinisterines... i've had my voice for a while...but i've been putting off posting...but here goes. my story involves ( & it is a true story ) 7 pairs of socks, cheech & chong , super furry animals, tigermilk & 1 lost suitcase. a couple of years ago i went on my 1st ever holiday abroad...my destination was the sunny & very beautiful Cancun in Mexico ( end credits of True Romance... Clarence & Alabama on the beach ) all was well...i didn't freak out on the plane or anything...it was a very long flight but everything was fine...until i got to my hotel...& i found my suitcase missing...after some frantic searching i was more or less told i had no chance of getting it back , after alot of carefull thought, i decided i was not going to let this spoil my holiday. instead of getting all aggessive with the tour rep , i did the opposite ...i was very polite & understanding much to their shock...& this tactic worked! i also underestimated the sympathy factor ..., everybody in the hotel knew me as '' the poor bloke that had his suitcase stolen '' a fantastic conversation opener! ...i didn't even have to try...girls were actually approaching me...it really was incredible that having something bad happen can actually bring out some good, after a while i have to admit i was sort of glad my case went missing. anyway i swiftly received my compensation...'' i'm sorry sir we can only give you £250 to replace the essentials, you can claim more when you get home '' practically my whole suitcase was full of clothes bought from charity shops except a few band t-shirts and my socks & boxers which i get from Marks & Spencer...i was in tears... of joy! i couldn't believe it. if you think things couldn't get much better i'm afraid they did...,with 2 days of my holiday to go they found my suitcase ...which at first sight looked to be fully intact .. but on closer inspection had a few items missing namely 7 pairs of socks ..., my prized cheech & chong t-shirt ,a super furry animals t-shirt & ( B & S content at last!) a cassette of tigermilk that a friend of a friend taped for me...i hadn't even played it... to this day i still haven't heard tigermilk all the way through...when the cd pops through my door next month i shall be hearing it for the first time...i can't wait! as for the person who stole the above items...i can't help but think '' you cool bastard '' & thanks. signing off from my first posting... richard. actually ...reading back on this posting ...i sound like one of those lucky bastards ...where everything goes right all of the time...i assure you this is not the case...i'd better give you a bit of background...when i was 4 i lost the hearing in my left ear & my parents were told by the doctors that i would be completely deaf by the time i was 12..., when i was 8 ...all of my teeth had to come out...so where are we...oh yes i'm 10 i'm nearly deaf and i've got no teeth ... i was not a pretty sight...but things always have a habit of evening out ...my hearing actually got better rather than worse, i was playing football 1 day and i headed a ball & the sound just flowed back in...it seriously freaked me out, i'm now 30 ( only just ) & at the moment i'm content i guess thats about all anyone could ask...i have good days & bad days but lately the good days seem to out number the bad ones...but who knows whats around the corner, if theres one thing i've learnt its not to take anything for granted. i also have a full set of teeth...but for many years i wasn't allowed to eat chocolate... ,i was the original charlie bucket from charlie & the chocolate factory...i was allowed chocolate on my birthday, this explains my fondness for chocolate now..., enough...i think you get the picture...until next time ...i've got the odd celebrity story to tell ...like the time sonic boom phoned me at home.... '' i see a handfull of hope spinning in time this i'm told is mine '' east village '' mine '' +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BrnToEnd at xxx.com Sun Jun 13 20:07:07 1999 From: BrnToEnd at xxx.com (BrnToEnd at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 15:07:07 EDT Subject: Sinister: sinister: Society is screwed up But I'm fine myself Message-ID: Hello Kiddies, Its Great to be outta school but it still doesnt feel like summer. I think its the weather its werid Its Super cold or super hot. blah On Thursday after Being tortered to death on the last day of school I went To celebrate by going in the city and Chillin at rasputin records. I Got The new Pavement album,Head Music-Suede,The Stooges self titled and One Foot in The Grave-Beck. On Friday I saw The new Austin powers on openning day. Funny Funny Film. ahh this was a short post but I must be off to lunch. Have a Nice day, -Damon H. Terror Twilight-Pavement is in my cd player +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rehakk at xxx.edu Sun Jun 13 20:24:09 1999 From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 15:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: a street named murdoch Message-ID: hallo, i just discovered something last night while driving to work. in pittsburgh, we have a street named murdoch. i thought about how much i would like to live in that street. but then i thought, wouldn't that have to live live in me?, considering that i am a girl and well, i don't think any more needs explaining. unless you want me to draw a diagram... i'm not feeling well today. i think this started last evening (well early this morning) when i almost killed myself, but i won't indulge you with the details because then i would have to show you my complete lack of common sense. but i'm feeling completely dissatisfied with myself. does anyone know this indescribable feeling? the only things taht make me happy are cigarettes and coloring books and the thought that i didn't get killed last night. i'm going to go now and walk around with a confused, dissatisfied look on my face KIMberly xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Sun Jun 13 21:21:41 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:21:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Robin Stout wins the LLPJ video contest and I give up Message-ID: <8025678F.006FDA08.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Dear all, As my subject line implies, I was mightily impressed with Robin's effort and I think everyone should email him to say he's VERY VERY FUNNY. That wasn't sarcastic, it was heartfelt. You can tell when I'm being sarcastic because I put that clever ~ snakey thing in that Northy invented. However, I do think you've everyone has got Lazy Line Painter Jane all wrong. I have listened carefully to all the interpretations that have been kindly offered, but have come to the conclusion that you are all barking up the wrong tree. It all came to me in a flash. The whole thing only makes sense when you realise that Jane is a cat. She picked up her nasty railing-licking habits from that bad cat Elvis down the road. He licks pavements, but Jane likes to be different. Which is her downfall. marie teased us with: >la la la la la >(now guess which b&s song Those "la's" come from!) I like this competition. I plump for 'Photo Jenny'. *Thinks* Maybe loveable fat people who like to make light of their weight could wear T-Shirts that say 'I plump for England' or whatever. It wouldn't be funny, but T-shirts never are. They're a bit like sig files and Simpsons reruns. Nothing's funny forever, except small children falling over and hurting themselves. I was thinking of buying a 'My friend went to London and all he got me was this lousy T-shirt!' T-shirt, but then started wondering if ironic anti-fashion was all a bit passe. Joseph wrote: >the Beatles, Yo La Tengo, East River Pipe, Guided By Voices, >Palace (Bros., Songs, etc.), you know stuff like that. Oh yeah, I really love >the French composer Erik Satie. Ooh - the godfather of musak, No.23 in the Independent on Sunday's smartarse '20th Century Classics That Won't Last' series. Still, I salute any man whose tastes are as broad as this. Guided by Voices, Erik Satie AND Bros. * A member of Surrey University's Process and Physical Metallurgy Group told us all about his obsession with The Boss. I do like it when people post personal emails to the list in error. It's like being caught with your pants down, but without the sex bit. Although sex might be involved. I'm looking forward to the day HoneyPaul mistakenly posts his filthy kiddie-porn fantasies to the list. Actually, I'm not. I apologise for the comments I made some moments ago. But not sincerely enough to go back and delete them. To anyone still interested, NonKiddiePornHoney has now posted up those unrealeased lyrics I compiled in a new 'Lonely lyrics without a home' section at http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/lyrics.html I have driven myself insane listening to the third line of 'Lord Anthony' over and over and over. Steady Mike has thrown a cat amongst the pigeons with the suggestion that it might be 'Or are you still into *punking up* though you're a toff.' Which excited me for a while, but having listened to it again, I'm not convinced. Also, Tim Hopkins is with me in the 'I don't think the second line of Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner mentions dogs lying down' camp. But had no better suggestions. It's not a very interesting camp. I came up with 'The dark clouds down the pouring rain' and thought this at least made a sort of sense, but falls down on the grounds that it's not actually what he sings. Sorry about all this - sometimes, I amaze myself with how tedious I can be. I think Stuart Gardiner needs to provide people with a means of withdrawing their listcrush votes. Now that we know 'Landslide' is just a canny pastiche and not a little-known Marvelettes B-Side, perhaps someone with a tape of Camber Sands would like to have a go at deciphering Isobel's breathy mumblings. Because I can't face it. I thought it was called 'Last Night' until the set-list got posted. Of course, you could just wait until the album comes out and save yourself the bother. If, as our Teletext monitoring spies would have it (see http://sinister.1999-month-06/feelingsinister/mhonarc/199902/msg00197.html ) , Lord Anthony and Loneliness are going to be on the single, then as I was saying to someone under the table, it means that not a single song of Stuart Murdoch's from the new album has been given a public airing. I bet he thinks they're really good and wants to stun us all when it's released. And I bet he's right too, the bastard. 'Marx and Engels', 'I Fought In A War', 'Once Upon A Weekend', 'Wake Her Up' - I think the excitement at reading these titles got lost in the post-Brits furore. New competion: guess what these songs are about. The first two sound like Struan's gone all bolshy. Not that he wasn't before. There was a great debate in the earlyish days of Sinister about whether Belle & Sebastian were a political band or not. I believe the Duke won it on points. Bring back the Duke. Would anyone like to tell me which Sea & Cake album to buy? Nick xx * Sorry, the Bros bit was a gratuitious deliberate misunderstanding. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Sun Jun 13 21:35:53 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:35:53 -0400 Subject: Sinister: "The sky so overcast and grey" and "she's gunna run, run away from home" Message-ID: <199906131636_MC2-793A-C222@compuserve.com> Oh me gusset's on red alert, some one loves me. Yes, last night my cold bedroom was warmed by my activity. An activity brought about by a warm glow coming from the list crush site. Oh some one has voted for me, only one vote mind, but some one is out there. and that someone wants to know. Mr Hamilton, Mr Blake Hamilton, Mr Blake 'E' Hamilton, Oh Hammie Baby, Oh Hammie Baby Baby 'E' o Blakie Boy. What on God's Earth do you think your doing. Setting up on-line zines and then getting us lot to write. I don't mind but that was the idea I had on Thursday, I just needed to decide on a motif for my site. Mines called Green Sheep. Other names considered were (in order of preference): 1. Bent Mambo 2. WPWE (taken from another project of mine) 3. Sarah Cracknel Lives Up My Bum With A Snorkel 4. Fire in yr Belly 5. White Man's Albatross and other stuff I would also like to ask people if they would like to send stuff to my site, we could have a battle of the sites thing going on. Like battle of the bands just quieter. INTERNET:Jygsaw18 at aol.com We have Miles too, it's not in Kilometres here in the UK **Is it true or are you still the Queen** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LAWMIK00 at xxx.nz Sun Jun 13 22:29:55 1999 From: LAWMIK00 at xxx.nz (LAWRENCE CHARLES MIKKELSEN) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:29:55 +1200 Subject: Sinister: tapes wanted Message-ID: <1724B226ACD@kinloch.ait.ac.nz> Purely self-centred request, but I live in New Zealand, where we don't have MTV, BBC or anything particularly interesting. I'm wanting some B&S concert tapes, especially Bowlie, but (obviously) don't have any B&S content to trade with.(Apart from badly recorded radio sessions, and the black sessions, which everyone seems to have) However, i do have an absolutley massive selection of Suede rarities, like 'Be My God/Art', Sometimes Wonderful, Les Yeux Fermes etc. if anyone is interested in trading tape for tape. Let me know please. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Sun Jun 13 23:07:50 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:07:50 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Battle Hymn For The Wounded Astronomer Message-ID: <199906131808_MC2-7947-443D@compuserve.com> Evening All, Include Supermum in your prayers tonight because I think she's quite ill again at the moment. 1,000+ best wishes should make a difference, shouldn't they? PJ "Mod" Miller wrote: ... Barnes Wallis once, - Did he demonstrate the idea behind his most famous invention, using a boiled potato and several strategically placed soup bowls, leaving young Master Moore awestruck and soup-splattered? Our public school was of the decidedly cheap & cheerful charity kind, so the caterers gleeflully seized upon Sir Barnes' theories & used them to skip one potato across 850 bowls of soup to flavour them, before turning it into the next meal's mash. However, proper food was produced whenever the Old Boys visited, so he had to content himself with demonstrating the fabrication of a geodetic airframe from the chips.* Thanks to strangely serious sotto voce but still surely Starry Sarah for the answer to my queue gig drummer question. Thanks also to Katrina & Ailsa for their responses. (I guess they outvote you, Sarah) Talking of The Psychedelic Furs & famous people, Mike Reid (East Enders' Frank Butcher) lives down the road from us in a massive house painted in a shade reminiscent of Pat' Smear ed-on lipstick. Marianne, try yokel, bumpkin or peasant for derogatory names for country folk, & someone else help her out with nasty things to call mall rats. I can't see that All Tomorrow's Parties will have a moment comparable to that when Struan sang "All my friends are on their holidays" and added "that's you" with a shy smile, to a swell of applause. I nearly filled up. May nothing but happiness come through your door, David Moore Chelmsford, UK np: Dick's Picks (H!O!Pkin's Horrors?) Volume 8 *Total Bullshit +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk Sun Jun 13 23:29:09 1999 From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:29:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: list apology Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From noelani30 at xxx.com Sun Jun 13 20:05:13 1999 From: noelani30 at xxx.com (j noelani wright) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:05:13 PDT Subject: Sinister: on the streets of nyc (non b&s) Message-ID: <19990613190514.49133.qmail@hotmail.com> i was walking on w 23rd street on friday and who did i walk right past? elliot smith..... i didn't say anything, as i don't like to bother famous people it was cool to see him, tho. saw ione sky a couple days before too. thought someone might be interested =) jess _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Sun Jun 13 23:52:31 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:52:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Hi duckie! In-Reply-To: <8025678F.006FDA08.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 Nick.Dastoor at guardian.co.uk wrote: > A member of Surrey University's Process and Physical Metallurgy Group told us > all about his obsession with The Boss. I do like it when people post personal > emails to the list in error. It's like being caught with your pants down, but > without the sex bit. Although sex might be involved. I'm looking forward to the > day HoneyPaul mistakenly posts his filthy kiddie-porn fantasies to the list. Well I'm glad I haven't done that yet - it would be far too embarrasing if I sent one of my emails to you to the list by accident! So how are you then? I haven't heard much from you recently... Have you abandoned me in favour of the record store boy? Or that bloke who keeps walking past where you work? I'm getting jealous... Oh well, not long before I leave Britain for a bit and finally get to spend some time with you! Now that's one thing you can be sure no other Sinisterines know about yet... Well, the party tonight was a bit disappointing really. Although I did get to speak to Stan and Laura (you remember, the one I was doing things I shouldn't have been doing with last weekend) for a while, and everything seems OK there. My problem is, I'm still attracted to her, I need you to come over here and take my mind off things! Anyway, I'd better go, I've got a ridiculously busy couple of days ahead of me - I reckon my next free half hour will be on Wednesday! Looking forward to seeing you soon, Lot of Love, Stu xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Mon Jun 14 01:25:47 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E Hamilton) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:25:47 -0400 Subject: Sinister: i guess nobody likes oral stimulation, woo anyways! Message-ID: <001601beb5fc$a5df1840$d5b690cf@woody> Dear big group of twees, well after my hugely self indulgent post, there seemed to be a few responses, after all. dear molly found my nuclear trout site, so i'm apologizing publicly to her, for it's not really all that quite yet. oh dear, is seems that i got another vote in the list crush, and now gen wesley is on top of me. *oh dear* i wonder how that happened. and stu, i think that my submission of Peter Townshend for the list crush was novel enough, you didn't need to put him at the very top of the reject list. how disheartening. pete will remember that. cheers to everyone who told me to buy godspeed you black emperor. definitely one of the best cds i've bought recently, apart from my first elliott smith and nick drake experiences. oh and i can't forget the magnetic fields, who won my 'I want a new cd' contest. definitely top shite. ok i think i want to make a b&s zine, strictly related to our friends. it doesn't necessarily need to be literally about stu and bel, but it could use their names, or a lyric, or something. i'll take poetry, fiction, anything, just send it my way, and if i get any, we'll have a big NUCLEAR TROUT opening sometime in the near future when you all can finally see my glimmering visage (as jygsaw dave told me). oh i'm sure you'll all swoon. or maybe you'll laugh. i'm only 18, im not supposed to know who i really am, right? kisses blake -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "Fuck!" - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 04:52:34 1999 From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:52:34 EDT Subject: Sinister: Young, Witty, and Perplexed Message-ID: <5936d179.2495d682@aol.com> I've been to Sexy Blake Hamilton's website, and let me tell you, it took some work getting there. Oh sure, it's Under Construction, but I'm the daring sort of guy who climbs fences to get to areas I shouldn't be in. I'm also the sort of guy who drank black paint and then feigned a seizure and frothed nasty black oozing things to disturb my family. Wait! where are you all going? what i was saying was, Sexy Blake's website is totally fucking rad. I demand you all go there right now. Good luck finding it though; the searches I did turned up lots of pages about fishing. and fission. oh, fine, the address is right here: http://members.tripod.com/nucleartrout/.htm David Moore revealed himself to be a strong and sensitive fellow when he said: <> Hear hear. It makes me sad to hear that Listmummy is sprawled on the divan with a cold compress on her eyes. She puts up with scads of annoyance from us, and we don't do a damn thing for her benefit. Perhaps i should send a card? Mr Moore continued what the New York Times called "a post good enough to be an award winning screenplay involving Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan", writing: << I can't see that All Tomorrow's Parties will have a moment comparable to that when Struan sang "All my friends are on their holidays" and added "that's you" with a shy smile, to a swell of applause. I nearly filled up.>> I must agree; i can just picture it now. The tape i have of Bowlie captures his voice quite well; if only i had gone! I'm still regretful.... Robert "australian for beer" Foster came up with what I think would be an amazing title for an album: <> I haven't heard anything that funny since I sniffed glue and went to a political convention. Mercy. He also put me in my place with a well aimed Judo Chop. Apparantly my little jibe about kilometres in the UK was about as funny as Paris burning, since I'm told that they have miles in the UK too. Ooops. I could have sworn the signs read otherwise, but then again, i was drinking a good bit of the time, so you never really know, now do you? Belle and Sebastian Content: Do lots of animals seem to like Glaswegian indiepop? I know the cat seems to like the gentle waves and a few b&s songs. My only excuse for the spastic nature of this email is that i'm really tired. Tire in Japanese is spelled "tire" * dave * credit to molly for that bit of info +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lost_madflowr at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 05:50:57 1999 From: lost_madflowr at xxx.com (lost madflowr) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:50:57 PDT Subject: Sinister: first dc b&s picnic - a few thoughts Message-ID: <19990614045058.31860.qmail@hotmail.com> first off i would like to thank christa for organizing the whole shebang! lot 9 was quite divine. really we were right next to the creek. and the bugs came round to the picnic too. that was the least pleasant thing about it. i am guessing that a total of 20 ppl came and left. maybe more maybe less. i am bad at guessing. in preparation for the picnic, victor and i ran around wal- mart looking for picnic stuff. we went away with a tablecloth, a HUGE jar of moby dill pickles for $2.50, all sorts of junk that causes teeth to rot, etc. the morning arrived too soon and vic had to go to mars music to get some guitar strings. so we went and i bought a glow in the dark guitar pick. my guitar was stolen? or something last year. honestly i cannot remember what happened to it. in any case...onwards to the picnic. victor and i followed the directions and voila...blocked to traffic on weekends. i was like 'um?' and then some jerkypants behind me started honking cosi didn't know what to do...so i shook the directions in the air and started driving again. when we saw the sign for golf course and then picnic lots 1-10 or whatnot, i drove that way. and it put us on the right course. the crazy horn honker was behind me though and i was so freaked out that they were a sinister member. vic thought it looked like i was flicking them off but i only shook the piece of paper. in any case passed lots 1-8 and the car was still on my tail so i was freaking out. but thank goodness...they passed lot #9 and went on to lot#10 or maybe they were planning on beating me up but saw the swarm of menacing sinisterites and drove on past. eep. out of the car. one foot at a time. are you sinister? yay. fun! everyone was just lovely. really! the strange thing was that i had never seen any of these people before...and i was assuming that since it was a local meet up that i would have seen a few familiar faces that perhaps i had never been formally introed to...well i suppose there was one. the pretty asian girl. i think she was wearing orange. i can't remember. cute boys. cute girls. cute bugs [not really]. mean bugs. daddy long legs aplenty crawling all over. one on my chest. argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! everyone brought food [except for eran hehe] and it was divine. i have forgotten just about everyone's names. i feel so bad. oh geez michael...christa...i am so evil. help me out someone. when i get the multiple intro i tend to forget almost everyone's names. we played croquet. and i was the first to be poison but then i was the first out. oh well. i know that michael got some shots of that. anyways...we must have another soon. looper, anyone?!? if anyone needs a place to stay i might be able to house people for a bit. oh geez i am at a loss for words. and mighty tired. since it is almost 1 and i work at 10 am. grr.eat. please let us picnic again and take more pictures of one another. hmm i didn't notice any internet turned real snogs? hmm maybe i am just blind as a bat. perhaps. oh geez kissing book are excellent. what do the local dc/va/md/philly whatever ppl think of starting a little mailing list of our own? like on listbot or something? or maybe something else? hmm some way not to clog sinister. cos once i was flamed by someone in england cos i posted about a meet up in the states. and since then i've been scared to post. evol, madflowr i'd write back to me 'cos i'm a baby baby girl. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 06:56:11 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:56:11 PDT Subject: Sinister: i had a job at an office once, so i know where the summer goes. Message-ID: <19990614055612.25121.qmail@hotmail.com> Well, this first poster said (sorry I don't remember your name): >Now, this person is not a Knitting Factory jazz freak, but there is this attitude among >a certain segment of the so-called "downtown scenesters" of my fair city >that >look down upon any form of music that is not "difficult" to listen to.> Oh how I hate those types. I have a few acid Jazz- freakazoid friends, and they absolutely HATE everything that isn't skillfully played, ig. Oasis and yes, sadly, Belle & Sebastian (skillfully meaning that the songs have real choruses instead of just 8 minutes of jamming filled with guitar- and bass-solos here and there). They love Sting because he has such skillful studiomusicians in his albums. Go for it. Saddos. And then Jason Anders said: >A new discussion topic for you - which cartoon should they bring back to shame the current pathetic attempts? My vote would be either Transformers or Visionaries. Both were amazing compared to modern replicas.> I'd say He-Man. I had the puppets, I had the swords made of wood, I had the "HE-MAN!- yells in the front of our yard, where we used to battle for the sake of the galaxy. Ah yes. Orko was my favourite, that little magican, disappearing and coming back into sight again. And he/it looked pretty silly too, didn't it? A question for you: If a person climbs up to this statue and starts to masturbate on top of it, can it be considered as art? Well, this person I know did it last weekend. He had a performance in front of the museum of modern arts here in Helsinki, and the guy wanted to do it naked. Ok, they said, and then the guy went all nutters and did the thing I mentioned before. And it's on videotape too. Hope I'll never have to see that. Well, the guy has wasted his sense doing drugs and eating strange mushrooms. Sad. And he looks pretty wild with all he makeup on his face and pierced.. yes, penis. Phew. And now I'd like to thank a certain lurker here on the sinister-list, with whom I had a smashing time yesterday doing nothing, just sitting in the park, she showing me her ticket to Bowlie which made me green with envy, she showing her copy of "girlfriend in a coma" by Douglas Coupland to me, wondering which movie to see and never seeing a movie at all since I couldn't use my free tickets in the megamoviecomplex we went to, eating waffles filled with tuttifruttistuffing, going to a recordstore, she buying that Mercury Rev- album, we both looking cool as hell (hah, clever wordplay there, see see?), sitting in the sun and sucking the sunshine into our hearts. Ah yes, the summer is here, and we bloody rule the world sometimes, don't we, we small creatures. Smash the winter of our soul, let the happiness fill our minds. Hmm, I got poetic there. Well, thats what happens when you've got 5 more days to go to the highpoint of the year, Blur/Manics/Stereophonics/Suede festival. Ta ta. @--->--- Nothing here, continue on, Jace le petit. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 06:47:02 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 06:47:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Royal Sebastian family Message-ID: <19990614094702.HM.00000000001BQGX@mixmail.com> Hi: Some people on the spanish telly are saying that the supposed girlfriend to prince Felipe has "Sebastian" as surname. A hidden blow to my republican ideas. Or free advertising for our guys, you never know. Oh, thanks to mr. Miller for his free advertising, even though there�s still a long way between me and the fame. Maybe because that Felipe has the birthday date at the january 30th, the same as me. Before I forgot it, I have to request for PiezoEl ectric, who sent me an e-mail at my toher adress two days ago. Please, sent it again, because my e-mail server deleted it before I read it. The pic that Mr.Miller mentioned on his last post isn�t mine, so I can�t scan it and send it to the sinister page at the moment, because I don�t have the author�s permission. However, I sent it to Lesley Jo and I don�t know if she got it. Did uou ?, please, let me know.... Bye, little flies ===================================== ============= Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 11:07:26 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:07:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: There's a club if you'd like to go... Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E226E73B1@server1.HITEntertainment.com> So, thank you to everyone who came and milked tigers* on Friday night - it was a fairly successful success (only 2 short of 100 people!) and made me and Sam (and Dave and Kevan, DJs extraordinaire, despite Sam playing France Gall before Kevan got a chance to and reducing a proud man to tears) very happy and full of grins. Apologies for the dearth of live acts - we are a little cross about that, but we're hoping to rectify it before the next do... ...which, if we get our arses in gear, will happen in a couple of months, although the Garage is booked up for aeons, so we'll have to see. Thanks to everyone on Sinister who was able to come, even more thanks to people not on Sinister who took a gamble (not that they'll be reading this, of course, but hey! I'm an effusive kinda guy), and thanks to Jeepster for their support and generosity. You're stars, the lot of you :) With our very own Pam Berry and the superfly Josh from Holiday, who we embarrassed by playing one of his own fantastic choons, we had the promised pop star quotient, and with the luscious, pouting Scarlet we had our very own legend in the making - if this girl isn't a S!T!A!R! within months, there's no justice in the world. And Erica, honey, I'm not taking the piss, promise :) And it was satisfying to see everyone cast off their shackles and rock their socks to Madonna's "Anna Friel" - Sarah, I wished you'd been there, I really did. It was less satisfying when the fuses blew, though by that time (2.20 am) even the hardcore (and the poor buggers staying at my house) were secretly hoping that they could just go home. The sherbert was nice too - but the best thing was that I ended up spiriting away Honey (get well soon big man!)'s very own tape tree fancy-CDR thingy, so I can listen to Kate Rusby in the comfort of my own home whenever I want... So there you have it. I am so chuffed it all worked, and I hope those of you who did come enjoyed it enough to come next time, and those that didn't (Hi Vic :)) are sufficiently jealous to pay a visit next time. Yay! I'm smiling :) manly hugs, Little Blonde DJ xxx *sadly this is not exactly true, much to Stevie Trousers' disappointment. We were thinking of milking Nick Dastoor, in fact I was getting quite steamed up at the thought, but in the end we just ripped off his hard work compiling obscure B&S lyrics. Ta Nick :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kissingdom at xxx.net Mon Jun 14 11:11:21 1999 From: kissingdom at xxx.net (Tony) Date: 14 Jun 99 11:11:21 BST Subject: Sinister: Lost a little red book at Tigermilking on Friday ? Message-ID: <19990614101121.9241.qmail@www0h.netaddress.usa.net> Then my kleptomaniac friend has pinched it. Email nicxx at hotmail.com ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Mon Jun 14 12:17:45 1999 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (V0168JE2) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:17:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: set sinister nopost Message-ID: <199906141110.MAA23934@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> set sinister nopost Blue Glow is now at http://diskant.future.easyspace.com/blueglow/ (This network is as sick as a dog. If you can't get through try maleslut at chickmail.com instead) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ScoDog1441 at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 12:13:23 1999 From: ScoDog1441 at xxx.com (ScoDog1441 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:13:23 EDT Subject: Sinister: Saddle-back Moo Cows Message-ID: <89d9bde.24963dd3@aol.com> Hello all, 3 hrs 35 mins since turning on my computer and ive just read the last mail in my inbox. Well, the boss is away, so i can blather on for hours. I can also 1) put anything i like on the CD player (currently Pavement's Terror Twilight) and 2) wallow in my hungover hungoverness. So what has the ol' Scottydog been doing to deserve that? The story begins some time ago when i was seconded into a religious sect known as the Paula Cullen Booze thingy. Being a devoted member, i began the weekend by following the sects number 1 rule: Get down the pub before everyone else. From there voices in my head directed me off to a top indie night, that was only 'top' until the band came on which had to be endured as the bar was still open. Requested B&S song and the DJ said "oh yeah, i like them" but song failed to materialise. Found out later that DJ had used the same "..i like them" response to my mates request for another band (which also failed to materialise). hmmm. Saturday was spent in preperation for the Mighty Buckinghamshire County Pool team's (tm) clash with Oxon. Yep, drank myself stupid with another leading member of team. Sunday's match arrived, and being the consumate professionals we are, we shook off that hangover nonsense and proceeded to lead the Mighty Bucks to an astonishing 20-24 victo... no, sorry, i mean defeat. Oh well, Sunday night had the consolation of me knowing that I could get totally PaulaCullen-ed and not suffer bollocking from aforementioned absent boss. So i did. And me' boys felt like playing some more pool - destroying Bletchley (unfortunately, not literally) and giving rise to much celebration and whoopla. Im off, stopping long enough to apologise to the residents of Bletchley. Scottydog Not use booze sig as i dont want to think anymore about it +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 12:39:32 1999 From: Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com (Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:39:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: What a way to spend a Saturday (er..Friday) night Message-ID: <80256790.003F8425.00@gbemea05.emea.jwt.com> Aaah, sweet sweet Tigermilking. If only every Friday night could be spent in a crowded room in Highbury, then "I will be happier" (contrived). A few interesting B&S related points to follow, but first a ramble. I have sent to the list before, but never with any consequence. I do, however, avidly read every post. I work in the desperate, soulless, ruinous world of advertising (although my Company is gorgeous and lovely - I have to say that or the thought police come for me). I am therefore entirely lacking in moral fibre. I think my soul will be saved, for rather than devising devious ways to make consumers buy products they neither need nor want, I move flipcharts around meeting rooms. Dull, yes; glamorous, no. It does, however, give me plenty of time to waste your good selves' drive space across the globe. OK, five B&S comments and I'm off. 1) I went to see Citizen Kane last week (with the mighty Spoon), and was delighted to see that it positively bulges with Belle & Sebastian references. Kane's political rival's name is Geddes! At the end, Kane updates his hit list of wanks! In the picnic scene, the band can be clearly heard playing a crude but pleasant version of "Photo Jenny"! 2) Me and my friends came 3rd in the Tigermilking popquiz. (Did more than 3 teams enter?). We won some sherbet, which we threw about in an orgiastic cocaine style. Boy, I bet you wish you'd been there. 3) Hello to everyone I spoke to on the nightbus home on. I can't remember names (very, very drunk), but I think some are going to Trash tonight. Anyone else? I'll look out for badges. 4) Who the HELL was dancing to "Exit Music" on Friday? I couldn't decide whether to be impressed or appalled. Great to get down to MBV again, though (not since Bowlie...), even though I think only me and Spoon were on the dancefloor at the time. Now I come to think of it, it was probably only Spoon. 5) OK, that's your lot Sorry, I was wrong about the interest (he wrote) J. D. Salinger --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- "you take a really sleepy man, Esmé, and he always stands a chance of again becoming a man with all his fac - with all his f-a-c-u-l-i-e-s intact" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Mon Jun 14 12:31:35 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:31:35 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Exit Pursued By a Teddy Bear Message-ID: <01beb659$7690d3a0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Dear Great Mates, I went to the theatre last night, and it was fucking boss, man! I heartily recommend going to the theatre, especially if it's something over three hundred years old involving pantaloons and hiding in cupboards and so on. It was like the play that they always used to have at the end of Bruce Forsyth's Generation Game. Ah, nostalgia is a terrible thing, especially when it involves poxy cartoons. I liked the Film Board of Canada's offerings best. The NHS specs of animation. Kevan Cooke, if I ask you for a tape of Clinton Ford, will you laugh at me and say "I made it up, you daft twat!"? So far I have spotted two references to public conveniences in Papercuts. Long may this trend continue. As for Jordi's fanzine, I feel that I ought to point out that Matthew's address is there in case anyone wants to order his fanzine, not in case anyone wants to go round to sample all that "living and loving" he's always promising us. I state this obvious fact because there has been a little misunderstanding in some quarters. B&S content: I had yet another B&S dream. To cut a long story short, Murdoch had to be pissed to go on stage because he was shit scared. Always. More B&S content: Why don't you write to Murdoch and ask him what the lyrics are? He's probably forgotten, but he might have them written down somewhere, and I'm sure he'd be only to happy to help. Unless he's drunk again, in which case he'll probably punch your fucking lights out. I've committed the faux-pas of sending work stuff to the list, and it was quite embarrassing, but I'd be much more distressed if I sent a pile of crap like this to an employer. Paul, get well soon, old chap. A hot toddy might help. Either that or some serious on-line shopping. lots of love from Sister Disco PS: I would like to add my voice to the general clamour for the return of the Piezoleptic Unit. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 13:39:48 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:39:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Honestly, that's what it said... Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E226E73BD@server1.HITEntertainment.com> >From today's Sun "newspaper": SECT ROW NO.2 HITS PONTIN'S "Families at another Pontin's holiday camp yesterday claimed an invasion of religious fanatics had ruined their holidays. They said bingo was axed and the main bar shut after 800 Seventh Day Adventists arrived at the camp in Ainsdale, Merseyside. One dad said "I had to go over the road to a pub." On Saturday The Sun told how families protested when 2,600 members of the sinister Sinister List, an internet based cult featuring spectacle wearing shy twenty-somethings, swamped a Pontin's in Sussex, and the go-karting was shut down. Bastards." 2,600 people on Sinister, eh? Never check their facts, these tabloids... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From snorman at xxx.uk Mon Jun 14 13:49:05 1999 From: snorman at xxx.uk (Sam Norman) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:49:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: oh... that was you was it Message-ID: I know Mark has already said thank you to everyone who came and made Friday night so great, but i thought that i would also like to thank everyone who came. There will be another night hopefully sometime in August (if not before). If anyone has any suggestions as to how we could improve the night and make it even better i would love to hear from you. Thanks again to everyone, hope everyone got home ok. Including the poor lost soul who's front door key we found once the club was closed (the garage have still got the key, if it was yours). Hope you all got a lollipop Sam +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Essexdog5 at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 14:16:09 1999 From: Essexdog5 at xxx.com (Essexdog5 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:16:09 EDT Subject: Sinister: Re: Robin Stout wins the LLPJ vide contest and I give up Message-ID: Mr Dastoor (whom I can confirm is as pretty as everyone says he is, having met him uber-briefly on Fri) made a guess at the origins of Marie's "la la la la la", but, as I was listening to Century Of Fakers while reading said post, I believe (most firmly) that this is the song they came from. So, er, there. Nick also mentioned "Teletext monitors" with respect to stuff about the next album, arguing that no songs from the next album had yet been played live. In fact, according to Stuart David (from when I interviewed him for Teletext a few months back), Winter Wooskie and Landslide (which I also thought was called Last Night the first time I heard it) should both be on it, and obviously these tracks were aired at Bowlie. As far as the next EP (or, rather, three track single) goes, he actually said that they want to release Middle Distance/Paper Boat/Lord Anthony, but having recorded five versions of the former, they couldn't agree which was the best - Stu D plumped for the first take, saying "I think it's the best thing we've ever done". Lumme. As the resident Belle & Seb-ophile for Teletoss, btw, I doubt they'll bother mentioning B&S much any more, as I left my job there last week after three years of relative misery (Yay, freedom! etc). And I never even got to review the Tigermilk reissue. The bloke replacing me has an unhealthy My Life Story fixation... eek! Stephen, The guy sat drunkenly singing Lord Anthony with FunkySeb at the end of Tigermilking - btw, Alix, the tape (of B&S doing Lord Anthony, not myself and Seb, obviously) will be with you by the weekend. PS Mark - Respect for playing Ray Of Light on Friday. And Soon, but sadly I was in the loo checking my hair at the time. Bah! PPS If anyone has an e-mail address for Kirsten 'Bus Stop' Bailey or her pal Simon White, could they please forward it to me? Thankee. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Mon Jun 14 14:28:18 1999 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (V0168JE2) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:28:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Eeeeek! Sorry! In-Reply-To: <199906141110.MAA23934@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Message-ID: <199906141321.OAA14906@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Eeek. sorry, again. No idea how that happened, my computer crashed and I thought it hadn't been sent but it was probably my fault. sorry again and again. Has anyone got my proper post I wonder? I expect it has disspapeared into the internet ether. Ho well. Or majordomo has it, I hope he gives it back and doesn't report me to the courtmarshalldomo I'm goin to leave this den of equity (completely untrue but sounded nice) for the summer but I'll keep up with what you're all doing for the next few months and probably return to posting when I've got some more coursework to avoid. I might see some of you at Teri's picnic. Or at All Tomorrows Parties, though it's always followed by Heroin, isn't it? Alisa said: > Big Stu confessed: > > When I was at a party on Saturday night, very > > drunk off scrumpy and absinthe (which don't mix as well as > > might be hoped), I was caught kissing a good friend's girlfriend, > > while he was in the room next door. So what the hell should I > > say to them next time I see either of them? > Well it depends if you kissed her or she kissed you. etc, etc. Just deny any memory of the event, not unreasonable with that alcoholic combination. You never know, she may well have forgotten it too. We have no morals about these things in southampton but we're not nearly as bad as leeds, oh no. Are there leeds people on the list? You are all very sinful and I love you. meanwhile I would enter the LLPJ video competition but I've had enough eggs for a lifetime, as has Stu I expect. By the way, I haven't heard a rumour that B&S are going to be secret special guests at ATP, but I'm starting one here and now. Elish, Slow Graffiti is one of my favorite songs (10/10 in the poll good) too, but it's too old to have been written for the acid house isn't it? Maybe it was a lucky co-incidence or something? Or maybe it's based on the book, they are very literate people, I'm sure he's very likely to have read it. Some of you were bitching about musos too, but it's probably too late for me to. I live with lts of musos and they'll hear the most beautiful song and say 'it's out of tune' or 'they can't play' or 'they're just playing those 3 chords, what's the point' and then they'll go off and listen to Silverchair and say how well played the pseudo- emoting grunge is. Ooooh, that makes me mad, especially when they start slagging off music you like on a purely muso-speak basis so you can't answer back without learning all their rubbish and analysing all your music to death. They can't just listen to a song and feel happy or down or whatever, so I feel sorry for them in a way. What happened to ink polaroids, to veer off at a tangent? I really liked them, but they seem to have stopped. I'd hold a competition but I'm not going to be here and I have no prizes except perhaps a few of my trusty kiss vouchers, ethically dubious as they are. Why not do it for the sake of it and there can be a vote on the best if somebody knows how to do that. Like the listcrush but no cheating. Nothing else to say except sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry, oops and oh dear. And set sinister nopost of course. byeeee, weejay xxx. Blue Glow is now at http://diskant.future.easyspace.com/blueglow/ (This network is as sick as a dog. If you can't get through try maleslut at chickmail.com instead) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 15:15:38 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:15:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S IN DUBLIN SHOCKER !!!!!!! Message-ID: <01BEB678.C3365080.p.cullen@music-control.com> well, sort of..... just to let any of you dublin folks know that chris geddes and richard colburn will be playing a d.j. set in vicar street, on friday july 2nd at 11pm. bill of fare will be 60's pop and r'n'b, soul, funk, psychedelic and hip hop. admission will be at the bargaintastic price of five pounds. if anyone wants any more details they can mail me, but thats about all i know for the moment. (which kinda renders mailing me completely useless, i know :) paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a.arvanitis at xxx.uk Mon Jun 14 15:30:25 1999 From: a.arvanitis at xxx.uk (Aris Arvanitis) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:30:25 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Caught with my pants down In-Reply-To: <199906140451.WAA09038@turtle.esosoft.net> Message-ID: <4.1.19990614152457.00978970@pop.surrey.ac.uk> Hi sinistereens, I wish to apologise for my error of sending a personal email to the list... Caught with my pants down indeed. What a bad way to introduce yourself to a new community... As for my obsessions, well, you already know the first one. The second would of course be B&S... Aris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Aristeidis Arvanitis Process & Physical Metallurgy Group School of Mechanical & Materials Engineering University of Surrey Guildford, Surrey GU2 5XH U.K. e-mail: A.Arvanitis at surrey.ac.uk Tel. +44 (0)1483 300800 ext. 2408 Fax. +44 (0)1483 259508 "It seemed to me a superlative thing - to know the explanation of everything, why it comes to be, why it perishes, why it is." SOCRATES ------------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Mon Jun 14 15:45:52 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:45:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Robin Stout wins the LLPJ video contest and I give up Message-ID: <80256790.00511B9C.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> StephenEssexDog5TeletextMan looked quite the suave bon viveur on Friday, his clean lines throwing companion FunkySeb's mad doctor looks into sharp contrast. And it was kind of him to say I looked pretty, but in the light of the rest of his email, I'm not sure his judgement can be trusted: >Mr Dastoor (whom I can confirm is as pretty as everyone says he is, having >met him uber-briefly on Fri) made a guess at the origins of Marie's "la la la >la la", but, as I was listening to Century Of Fakers while reading said post, >I believe (most firmly) that this is the song they came from. So, er, there. WRONG-HEADED! Marie has already emailed me to say that I was spot on with 'Photo Jenny'. I win. >Nick also mentioned "Teletext monitors" with respect to stuff about the next >album, arguing that no songs from the next album had yet been played live. In >fact, according to Stuart David (from when I interviewed him for Teletext a >few months back), Winter Wooskie and Landslide (which I also thought was >called Last Night the first time I heard it) should both be on it, and >obviously these tracks were aired at Bowlie. WRONG-HEADED! I never said that songs from the new album had been played live - I said that no *Stuart Murdoch* songs had been. Which is a veeery veeery different matter. And PeeJay - I would write to Stuart Murdoch to check the lyrics to Lord Snooty, but I'm scared. You do it for me. Tell him your mate fancies him. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dunca_chap at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 17:05:55 1999 From: dunca_chap at xxx.com (Adam Chapman) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:05:55 GMT Subject: Sinister: whoa! Message-ID: <19990614160556.98584.qmail@hotmail.com> Erm, perhaps not...Alisa, you might have me a mite confused, or maybe a littlebit wrong, but perhaps not. i've not got a lot of time for the "4 real" personages either, perhaps i'm a litle intolerant, or then maybe, and this is the POINT> what do people buy those 'records' for? its not as if they'll ever be off commercial radio, and i doubt that theres a dukebox in the land [esp. the one in Yeovil College...we tried to get Jon spencer on there; we did not suceed, Car%$%*��!!!! 3 times in 1/2 an hour, ow.], without it. SORRY, rant over... Dull trivial fact; a plate from the film Titanic, is now worth more than one scooped off the bottom of the Atlantic..... "Because I know that you know, that we know they don't know whats been going on.... " Gruff Rhys, SFA, 'Demons' p.s. "The Adam", since when? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 17:45:19 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:45:19 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Rude awakening Message-ID: <199906141246_MC2-7958-3907@compuserve.com> INTERNET:Jygsaw18 at aol.com wrote <<< Robert "australian for beer" Foster came up with what I think would be an amazing title for an album: <> I haven't heard anything that funny since I sniffed glue and went to a political convention. Mercy. He also put me in my place with a well aimed Judo Chop. Apparantly my little jibe about kilometres in the UK was about as funny as Paris burning, since I'm told that they have miles in the UK too. Ooops. I could have sworn the signs read otherwise, but then again, i was drinking a good bit of the time, so you never really know, now do you? >>> White Man's Albatross is the title of a little ditty I wrote about 18 months ago, my friend and I used to write stories together, they were a bit strange, but that was the title of it, the star of it was a man called Martin Chant and his friend Englebert Crabtree. Well, if you wanna know I'll tell you the address where it's located! Reading AB Music on a bus is embarrassing if you are a boy, the cover is pink (STRANGE LOOKS) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 18:05:51 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:05:51 EDT Subject: Sinister: If you wanna be a martyr...try harder! Message-ID: <7cbd3c40.2496906f@aol.com> I'd like to thank the lovely soul who used a Braid lyric as her subject line last week as it lead me to dust off my copy of "Frames and Canvas" and re-discover what a great record that is. Its a shame that as of August they'll be calling it quits...alas. I know someone else was going on and on about Rainer Maria awhile back, and being a huge Rilke fan I went and picked up the "New York 1955" 7" and its quite good. The two songs sound a bit similar on first listen but I like the girl/guy vocals alot. Does anyone have their new album and is it anything like these two songs? I got a haircut today and for whatever reason the very nice lady doing the cutting ended my newly born sideburns' short life. They were coming in so nice and scraggly until today, so I'm a bit down about it right now. She didn't even ask...just 'snip,snip' and they were gone. They will be missed. Does any future Biologists out there know whether peanut butter or another equally high source of protein really does make hair grow faster? Someone told me that once... Unfortunately I couldn't make the DC picnic this past Sat but I heard it was aces so I'm glad. Croquet matches 20 people large sounds very awesome so I'm really sad I missed that. Hopefully "Picnic Organizer Extrordinaire" Christa or someone with equal parts gumption and resolve can set one up for August. When do the DC cherry blossoms bloom? Any DC and MD listees keep an eye out for a compilation CD coming out this summer entitled "Spitting Seeds V: The Best Maryland has to offer" or something along those lines. My band Poplar Ridge has a contribution entitled "Great Scott" which is our homage to Michael J. Fox and the legendary Back to the Future trilogy. I'm sure we're among the best MD has to offer but we're on it, its a cheap disc and we may being playing some shows up and down the East Coast to support it so we may run into some you hopefully. Well my parents are telling me to bugger off so I will... Steve C. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 18:49:47 1999 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (well-heeled atrocity show) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: we are women and men of action Message-ID: <19990614174947.3612.rocketmail@web112.yahoomail.com> dearest listerines! i feel like the list slut (oh, wait, isn't that stu g.?), what with being referred to in so many posts lately. well, not as many as some of you, but... ah, shut up, marie... yes, i emailed nick privately to tell him that he was correct in guessing that my "lalalalala"'s were from photo jenny. i neglected to tell him what his prize would be, as i have yet to decide on one, but it will be appropriately smutty. oh, dear. okay, guess where THESE came from: la da da da da da da (okay, this isn't really fair....) si, 'twas i that used braid lyrics as a subject heading, and also went on and on (and on and on) about rainer maria, and....... here is a piece of advice, kids: unless you already own them, you All ought to go out and pick up Braid's "Frame and Canvas," Rainer Maria's "Past Worn Searching" (or NewYork1955, or their self-titled, or LookNowLookAgain), and, for kicks, anything by Joan of Arc. also, Piebald has a song called "holden caufield," which is very nice and, clearly, extensively references this list's favourite author. Blue Veins Update: after poking me repeatedly and stealing my blood, and testing it, the doctors tell me i am anemic, so i must take iron vitamins now, and my mum (who Is a nurse) said i ought to drink some red wine every night... how can i argue with that??? a kiss and a slap on the roof... xoxo, marie === ***************************************************** * * * "if you can hold yr breath, * * you can touch the sand with yr hand" - karate * * * ***************************************************** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From P68d6ern at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 19:09:59 1999 From: P68d6ern at xxx.com (P68d6ern at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:09:59 EDT Subject: Sinister: Simple Pretty Things Message-ID: <847984f2.24969f77@aol.com> Hello: The answer to Marie's question is Park Slope Brooklyn, home of the ever rising rents. And, I am glad that you and chamomie understand my frustration in dealing with music snobs and "simple things." I heard that there was supposed to be a meeting of Belle and Sebastian fans at DBA in Manhattan last Sunday (the 13th); if this event occurred I would like to know how it went. That's all for now. Funny, I wait three weeks for my voice, and once I get it all the things I wanted to say have turned to vapor--ah well :). Take care all. Joseph +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Mon Jun 14 18:16:27 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (katrina house) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:16:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: bowlie blues ... References: <88c23c29.2493e59c@aol.com> Message-ID: <376538EB.2C0A893E@jeepster.co.uk> hello, steve c. wrote: > Thats why my friends and I canceled our plans to cross the ocean as > well. I really dig the Bowlie II line-up (especially Blonde Redhead > who are tops in > my book) but we're all huge B&S fans and since I doubt we could afford > to go > to Bowlie II and III, we're holding out in the hopes that Struan and > the gang > make their presence known at the December bash. I hope with a new > album due > out shortly beforehand, it'd be a good sign that they would > play...maybe > they'll bring their good friend Elliott Smith along as well! Cross > your > fingers... as far as i know, bowlie 3 will be a dance event, nothing to do with bowlie at all whatsoever (apparently b&s are 'advisors' or summat to bowlie 2). stuart m did mention he may be up for a similar type event on a yearly basis, but that was before bowlie 1, so i don't know how he feels about it all now ... god only knows when the 'new' album will be due out too ... cheers, katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 19:32:20 1999 From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:32:20 EDT Subject: Sinister:you've got it all wrong, orville.. Message-ID: <8ce3a58e.2496a4b4@aol.com> Hola list: I'm going to have to start a website just to cover the corrections to statements I make in my emails. 1: The thing about the Japanese word for tire was wrong. It's not spelled the same. But I think orange is the same in German and English. Is there a german word that rhymes with Orange? 2: also, regarding Devastating Blake Hamilton's website I got the address wrong. Or so he says. I tend to disbelieve this, because I was there, and copied it from the little bar where the WWW address shows up. But he insists, so I'm going to make sure, and apologize now. 3: My mother left me a little note the other day thanking me for the tape I made for her. She likes Belle and Sebastian a lot, and, on the rare occasion i play any other music, she will come in my room and ask me to play something pretty by Belle and Sebastian instead. She prefers to hear indie pop crooning coming from my room rather than anything else. She's such a dear. 4: the WHO are slowly absorbing all the crucial nutrients from my head. The more I l hear the more I like. It's like an addiction, only not. Well, maybe it is. I keep looking through my CDs to find compilations or soundtracks they are on. My best friend's uncle liked the Who so much he named his band after them. But he reversed it and put a letter upside down: The Ohms. The funny part is that his last name is Watts. Catch the subtle electrical joke... the puns, it hertz, it hertz cheers dave* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 19:36:14 1999 From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:36:14 EDT Subject: Sinister: bowlie blues ... Message-ID: Sorry to post again so soon: Katrina whispered to the list: as far as i know, bowlie 3 will be a dance event, nothing to do with bowlie at all whatsoever (apparently b&s are 'advisors' or summat to bowlie 2). stuart m did mention he may be up for a similar type event on a yearly basis, but that was before bowlie 1, so i don't know how he feels about it all now ... god only knows when the 'new' album will be due out too ... Bowlie 3 is a dance event? How are Belle and Sebastian 'advisors'? is this like the Green Berets in Vietnam? seriously though, what was the meaning of the ' ' around "new"? Is that a reference to Tigermilk, or to the as-yet-untitled album? curious dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fatslug at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 19:59:41 1999 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:59:41 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Imported from France Message-ID: hello folks, whenever people start reminiscing about spangles and fraggles i must admit i fail to be washed away on a tide of emotion... even so, even i have moments when i start to wonder "whatever happened to..." and never more so than when i think about GOLDEN NUGGETS. you see, GOLDEN NUGGETS were my favourite breakfast cereal as a child, and then one day at the start of the eighties POW! they were gone forever... or so i thought until last week when they were sat there on the supermarket shelf for the first time in twenty years, with a story on the side of the box about how the original gold mine dried up or something. anyway, i'll be having a bowl tonight. what other consumables have i purchased this week? well, there was this bottle with "non-carbonated isabelle" written on it. "imported from france" it said. so i had to buy it didn't i? here's what it says on the side of the bottle: "Isabelle is bottled to meet strict standards laid down by the Department of Health and the French Government. Isabelle is 100% natural, using no artificial filtration or other alteration. Isabelle goes directly from the source into this bottle with absolutely minimum exposure. So you will surely enjoy (her) very light, clean pure and most refreshing taste." so now you know. thanks to anyone who danced to the dubious sounds of screaming lord sutch and the savages whilst tigermilking on friday night. kevan fat slug psst... have you ROOLED lately? http://www.roolz.ukf.net/ *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ISawUfall at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 20:57:09 1999 From: ISawUfall at xxx.com (ISawUfall at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:57:09 EDT Subject: Sinister: California.........San Fran Message-ID: hi, i was wondering if anyone knew when B&S might be coming to california... san francisco in particular..... also, anyone in the SF area going to the looper show? evidently, they are doing an in-store at MOD LANG.... anyone on this list from the SF area should write me (if your not too shy) then perhaps we could all meet and plan ourselves a dramatic throw into the street or see a nice movie or make a demo and send it to the Jeepster label...... at any rate, theyre having a series of Truffaut films over in Berkeley ........whatsever...'Shoot the piano player' has already played though...rrmmph! also, if anyone knows of any interesting job openings in the area that would be great as well.... taking full advantage of my first post, dave cass. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 21:17:42 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:17:42 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Flaming Lips On Lamacq Live Message-ID: <199906141617_MC2-7958-4E7A@compuserve.com> Hi All, Deja entendu? In case anyone missed The Flailing Limbs' post Bowlie session first time around, its apparently being repeated on Steve Lamacq's shows this week. Tigermilking sounded fun: shame I was far too mullered by another nightmare week at work. How come I don't have one of these nothing to do all day except read my e-mail jobs? Love, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From igh1 at xxx.uk Mon Jun 14 21:24:00 1999 From: igh1 at xxx.uk (Ian Hatcher) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:24:00 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: Sinister: Flaming Lips On Lamacq Live In-Reply-To: <199906141617_MC2-7958-4E7A@compuserve.com> Message-ID: Hullo. I know it's a bit of an old link thing (thread?), but CAPS LOCKS or lower case???? i think lower case, but only cos i can't be arsed to keep pressing shift . . . :-) someone mentioned a mum who liked b&s (i'm sorry, but i deleted the mail by mistake) - i too converted me mam, and she always listens to the delightful tinkling of ifys and tbwtas in the car (which, incidentally, is the best place in the world to listen to b&s, i think). although she says isobel's got a soppy voice. :-(((( david moore scribbled: > Tigermilking sounded fun: shame I was far too mullered by another nightmare > week at work. How come I don't have one of these nothing to do all day > except read my e-mail jobs? well, funnily enough, as i write this i should be busy revising american history in the 1960s for an exam on friday. hmmmmm. perhaps i should stop sending e-mails cos there seems to be a never-ending pile of paper in front of me. maybe a flying dog with big ears will come and take me away from here. or alternatively the men in white coats . . . ian. ------------------ Ian Hatcher igh1 at ukc.ac.uk Rutherford JCC Ents #1 Tune into the Albino Squirrel Show every Thursday 2-4pm on UKCR "The clock may not mean much to rabbits and owls Depending on darkness and light." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mlucey at xxx.edu Mon Jun 14 21:32:22 1999 From: mlucey at xxx.edu (Michael Lucey) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:32:22 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Bill Evans/breaking the bank Message-ID: <4.1.19990614124107.009616a0@socrates.berkeley.edu> Another recent arrival from the nursery here, and hearing someone mention Bill Evans gives me a prod into a tentative first post, missing any signs of cleverness unfortunately, but maybe I'll work up to that later: PJMiller said:'" Bill's album is a corker - "Bill Evans, From Left to Right: Playing the Fender-Rhodes Electric Piano and the Steinway Piano" It features two fantastic versions of "What Are You Doing With the Rest of Your Life? North and South and East and West of Your Life?", one of the most beautiful songs of all time,.......That Bill Evans LP I mentioned also has a fantastic cover photo of Bill playing two pianos at once with a heavily ash-ladenn fag hanging out of his mouth. Wow! It's a CD, but I say LP to sound groovy." I like Bill Evans too, and I guess he liked Michel Legrand, who wrote "what are you doing the rest of your life." On his record (I say record coz i bought it on vinyl in a record store up the road...) "I will say goodbye" he does 2 excellent versions of the title song --also by Michel Legrand, along with a nice version of Dolphin Dance by Herbie Hancock, and a Bacharach tune and a Mandel tune. It just has a picture of a road on the cover, which isn't so terribly exciting, but there's a little inset photo of him and his trio-- and he's looking very 1977, as in---Shave off that beard bill! He was very clean cut in the 60s, according to his album photos, but boy, those 70s! His album photos do get a little scary. OK so, B&S stuff. My friend Gerry and I went all the way from SF to Bowlie, because we were worried that B&S would never come here. We had a fab time. We're very happy Looper is coming to SF in July. Will Oldham is playing the same venue the next night. We'd get a kick out of going to Bowlie 2, (esp if Felt appears!), but are worried our credit cards would melt--especially since we've already almost melted them so that we could go to Paris this summer (too soon after Bowlie 1 to have paid anything off...), and are tempted to take the train to London to see Marc Almond while we are there( what do you think?). Anyway, it's a real kick hanging out with you folks. Cheers, Michael +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bug at xxx.uk Mon Jun 14 22:17:49 1999 From: bug at xxx.uk (bUgleT) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:17:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: eating clothes in english Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990614221749.007ab5b0@mail.netkonect.co.uk> hello people.. i've sort of rejoined via the digest after the advice of several listee type personages at the oxford meet-up...which was very nice, even if i did feel a bit young and naive....hope you all had a nice meal later on..we found a skirt for cassie, by the way. very nice - from dorothy perkins. i think people should take a trip to the cinema and go and see 'human traffic'..yes yes i know it's about clubbing....but it *does* have john simm in it, which was reason enough for me. does anyone have any remedies for bad backs? i don't know why, but i seem to be ageing prematurely..the pain is kind of in the upper-middle back area - anyone have any ideas what to do? i'd appreciate it. i'd also appreciate any thoughts anyone has on 'edward II' by christopher marlowe and the poetry of carol ann duffy..a-level english is not as fun as i thought it would be. the washing machine has eaten my study at stow t-shirt..along w/ my snow patrol one which it devoured a few months ago. evil lump of metal it is..but i have new pink hair, so i don't mind too much right now. but i will tomorrow morning when i have nothing to wear for my english exam. is anyone coming to truck '99 as well? it's a festival [10th-11th july] - they've got a band called 'stars of track and field' playing on the saturday..could be interesting. anyway. must go and eat my pasta. au revoir *bug* ___________________________________________ ***the tiny zine on the net*** http://ds.dial.pipex.com/sage/tartrazine ***and the best band in oxford*** http://ds.dial.pipex.com/sage/moonkat +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From igh1 at xxx.uk Mon Jun 14 22:27:36 1999 From: igh1 at xxx.uk (Ian Hatcher) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:27:36 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: Sinister: eating clothes in english In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990614221749.007ab5b0@mail.netkonect.co.uk> Message-ID: bug pondered: > is anyone coming to truck '99 as well? it's a festival [10th-11th july] - > they've got a band called 'stars of track and field' playing on the > saturday..could be interesting. ooh, ooh, speaking of festivals on the 10-11 July, is anyone going to t in the park??? i should be, so what bands do all you lurvely sinisterines recommend i go and watch. and whereabouts is kinross near? i think kilmarnock - i need to get a coach up there, but i'm probably wrong and i'm going to go before i embarrass myself with my acute lack of geographical awareness any longer . . . ian. ------------------ Ian Hatcher igh1 at ukc.ac.uk Rutherford JCC Ents #1 Tune into the Albino Squirrel Show every Thursday 2-4pm on UKCR "The clock may not mean much to rabbits and owls Depending on darkness and light." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mep at xxx.net Mon Jun 14 22:32:12 1999 From: mep at xxx.net (mark powell) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:32:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: my first post/no interesting content whatsoever Message-ID: hello list. i would just like to say that there *was* go karting at bowlie. i did race. i did come in last but avoided being overtaken. just . i did shoot a rifle. it was the weirdest most non-belle & sebastian experience ever and i felt very strange afterwards. guns bad. pam berry is lovely. so is mike. despite not actually buying that last b&s e.p. i think i like it the most. or i think i do. i suppose i should buy it. it takes soooo long to get to rough trade now because i ride the bus only. i can't afford the tube any more! i must love my job if i'm paid so little but still happy. with the job at least. can someone make karaoke versions of all belle & sebasian songs? some enterprising person with a super8/video camera. the concept is just so great. or at least storyboard them all. i've enjoyed the sarah cracknell content of the list. and the emo/hardcore/whatever content. i went to see unwound last night but didn't see any b&s badges. what's up with that? wear them for 400 years/most secret method next week will you... bye! mark p.s. someone said something about not being able to watch reruns of simpsons episodes. that's not true (with the exception of maybe the first season or so). the rest are infinitely watchable. back me up xavier! p.p.s. i'm halfway through the new la buena vida lp now and it is really really great. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From heinitz at xxx.uk Tue Jun 15 00:13:21 1999 From: heinitz at xxx.uk (angel) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 99 23:13:21 GMT Subject: Sinister: roses in the hospital, yellow ones at that. Message-ID: <990614231321.n0010268.heinitz@pop.clara.net> at last, i have got through the thousands of Sinister messages left unread from when i was in hospital. "in hospital?" you say, with a kindly concerned expression... yes, i was having my insides removed before they exploded, my appendix to be precise. but i'm sure none of you want to hear about that, or the green vomit, so i'll be discreet. the very day of my release from the aforementioned pit of sickness, we rescued a rat from the pond, where it had somewhat foolishly taken shelter from the attentions of cat and dog. feeling responsible for anything that our domestic animals hurt, we put the rat in a cage inside and fed it strawberries while it convalesced. now, however, we have decided to keep it as it is only young and would probably not survive if we let it go again. so now the rat is my responsibility, in my bedroom, going under the name of Mehmet, after the German footballer Mehmet Scholl. not, you understand, inferring that there is anything rat-like about Mehmet Scholl, i can't remember anything about him at all apart from his name. alyssa marie said something melancholy about her birthday. if i knew her address i'd send her lollipops to cheer her up, but i don't, so just happy birthday anyway. b&s daytime radio one coverage!!i don't know if anybody has mentioned this yet because i'm on the digest, but Mark Radcliffe played "she's losing it" today on his radio show, and Jo Whiley has a copy of Tigermilk (the cd, don't get *too* excited) up for grabs if you can beat longstanding champion Rae on the popquiz "sussed or bust" tomorrow lunchtime. i would do it, but i'm keeping a low profile. can't think of anything else to say. any dullness in this message is due to me being in pain, if you were wondering. love, abi (who still doesn't like rabbits) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i.am.sinister at xxx.uk Mon Jun 14 22:30:20 1999 From: i.am.sinister at xxx.uk (Sweetie) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:30:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: friends Message-ID: <000301beb6b6$ed8b8740$f623883e@anne666theasylum> hi y'all, i just thought i would ask b4 i sent it but i have this really sweet thing that i was mailed about friends but it has a wee bit about a chain letter at the end, but its not about that its all about friends and its really sweet, make ya wanna cry type sweet and i was wondering if y'all would like to c it? i think y'all would like it. well? ciao sweetie xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From justin at xxx.com Mon Jun 14 23:55:01 1999 From: justin at xxx.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:55:01 -0500 Subject: Sinister: no b&s content, simpsons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.19990614175208.009bf7d0@delafont.com> At 10:32 PM 6/14/99 +0100, you wrote: >p.s. someone said something about not being able to watch reruns of >simpsons episodes. that's not true (with the exception of maybe the first >season or so). the rest are infinitely watchable. back me up xavier! I'll back you up Mark, anything for the Simpsons. I could watch them during doomsday while looters and lunatics ran back and forth across my lawn. The Simpsons are genuine hilariousness. I really wish everyone could appreciate their endless value. I have known friends that just can't stand it, mostly because it is a cartoon, but other reasons they give include Homer being too stupid (I think his stupidities encompass the worse of his generation, showing us all their hastily made decisions and impulsive actions at once. I don't think it would be as funny if Homer only occasionally acted stupid, would you?). Otherwise, I don't think the antagonists of the Simpsons truly understand what it is about. I have met too many of them who compare it to South Park, King of the Hill, or other mindless rubbish which tells me they haven't paid close enough attention. Just in closing, this may taint my opinion in the eyes of some but a few years ago, during my most intense drug years, I was tripping so extremely hard that I couldn't speak and I had lost the ability to distinguish the trip from reality (thus the trip became my reality), needless to say a friend of mine plopped my fried self in front of the Simpsons, a few giggles started to pour forth and within a few minutes I had come down. Give me Simpsons over Thorazine anyday. They are the source of my sense of humor, period. I hope I did your side more good than bad, Mark. But I'll take any chance I get to champion the Simpsons. Take care everyone... Justin W +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Tue Jun 15 00:06:49 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:06:49 -0700 Subject: Sinister: le grand simpsons Message-ID: Hello Lovelies, I think the first year of The Simpsons is eminently watchable, but I have to say that I think it's gotten better over the years for the simple fact that, as time has progressed, we've come to know virtually every citizen of Springfield, dozens of characters with all their hilarious idiosyncrasies. Also, the in-jokes have risen exponentially, such as all the times they tease us by ALMOST showing/telling us exactly where Springfield is, etc. I would put any Simpsons episode ahead of anything else I've ever seen on television in terms of quality and laffs. Also, somebody mentioned Michel Legrand earlier; I love his film stuff (he scored Godard's "My Life to Live" and "A Woman is a Woman", as well as "Umbrellas of Cherbourg") but I was unaware he had pop recordings. Could said Sinsterine be so kind as to gratify me by compiling a makeshift discography of Legrand recordings available on CD? It would be much appreciated! Does anybody on the list heart Black Box Recorder? People keep talking about Upstairs at the Garage, and I read somewhere that BBR has a standing gig there that's always sold out. Their album is coming out in the US and will contain every b-side as bonus tracks, FYI. Is anybody going to the Portland (Oregon) Looper show on July 9? :) :) Love to each and every one of you- -Chris "And I wondered if a memory is something you have, or something you've lost." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Tue Jun 15 00:35:40 1999 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:35:40 +0200 Subject: Sinister: crush In-Reply-To: <19990614055612.25121.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <199906142336.BAA19024@front7.grolier.fr> Hey, someone voted for me on the christlust...erm.... lustcrish.. umm, I'm excited. anyway. Who was it? you don't know what you're doing. I've got bad breath... and I scatter my CDs all around the room.... you don't want to live with someone like me the rest of your life, hm? at least I'm good looking ;) The Dark Site of the Moon: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/index.html Tindersticks page: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/tinderpage/tinder.html To love oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance. -Oscar Wilde +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bkim0 at xxx.edu Tue Jun 15 00:46:32 1999 From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Les Simpsons! Oui oui! Message-ID: <199906142346.TAA107944@dept.english.upenn.edu> At 10:32 PM 6/14/99 +0100, you wrote: >p.s. someone said something about not being able to watch reruns of >simpsons episodes. that's not true (with the exception of maybe the first >season or so). the rest are infinitely watchable. back me up xavier! I got ya back Mark!:) I've got piles of Simpsons tapes that never fail to amuse. Although I honestly enjoy watching the syndicated re-runs more than watching my own tapes. You know, it almost feels "live" in a way (some station putting in the tape and playing it and then broadcasting it), so there's no rewind. Making it all the sweeter/more irritating when you can predict characters' lines or other jokes. As for Mr. Powell's assertion that the last B&S ep was their best yet, I say: "Worse ep ever!" (in Comic Book Guy voice) Toodle-oo, Xavier BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0 at dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From arete at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 01:54:58 1999 From: arete at xxx.com (arete at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:54:58 -0500 Subject: Sinister: le grand simpsons Message-ID: <199906150042.SAA26695@turtle.esosoft.net> >Hello Lovelies, > >I think the first year of The Simpsons is eminently watchable, but I have to >say that I think it's gotten better over the years for the simple fact that, >as time has progressed, we've come to know virtually every citizen of >Springfield, dozens of characters with all their hilarious idiosyncrasies. >Also, the in-jokes have risen exponentially Totally! I adore Habiib! He is adorable! Did you see that episode in which he popped in and said "he's the extra arms on Vishnu" at which point I totally lost all combobulation... B&S content: Looper is playing everywhere but here in sad, sad Texas. *sob* *pout* Pleeeease, for me, enjoy the show, won't you now?? hugs and smoochies! sean! _____________________________________________ Get your free personalized email address at http://www.MyOwnEmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 02:11:58 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:11:58 EDT Subject: Sinister: I should get paid for this Message-ID: <280c98d7.2497025e@aol.com> Dearest Friends, I too attended the DC picnic on Saturday. The drive down from Philly was pleasant, and I almost drove on to Richmond to visit a pen pal but decided showing up unnanounced was a bad idea. We stayed at Christa's house and talked until the wee hours of the night. > hmm i didn't notice any internet turned real snogs? I kissed someone I met at the picnic. I just can't help it. Sunday I ventured out to a supposed to be indie/mod night at a club in Philly. Poo. Too much mod and not enuf indie in my book...four Smiths songs? I may have been more forgiving if I hadn't been to a Smiths party recently. They did play B&S and it was the only song that had the whole bar dancing. Hint to the dj's-play more music that gets the bar dancing! Also everyone seemed to know each other so I was alternatly in a state of alienation, and claustrophobia when the first girl I talked to turned out to be Trisha, a member of this very list. I'm in desperate need of mix tape trading from people on this list. So here is the deal: you make me a mix tape and send it to me, and I will return a mix tape (although they probably won't all be different) but I promise to include one song in particular. In the interests of pleasing all pop folks, Amelia and Pete from Heavenly singing the Spice Girl's song Wanna Be with Calvin Johnson of Beat Happening/Halo Benders/Dub Narcotic Sound System/Go Team/K records fame...it is really a gem to be heard, funny as heck...and as far as I know I'm the only one who taped it that day. >i'd like to make a list of all the folks on the >list who are actually in bands, work at indie clubs, >dj at certain clubs, whatever - music makers either >with instruments or making the show happen I'm a promoter and fanzine editor, that should could for something...and a groupie too. But somewhat of an all around groupie, putting out records is just as important as playing guitar. Although this Canadian hardcore band called the Swarm will soon have topless photos of me on their website. In the interest of keeping this list smut friendly, I promise to tell you all of the link when it i sup. Courtney B +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Essexdog5 at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 02:52:35 1999 From: Essexdog5 at xxx.com (Essexdog5 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:52:35 EDT Subject: Sinister: Le Grand Simpsons Message-ID: Black Box Recorder are phenomenal. That's all. Oh, and buy the Baahder Meinhof album too. That's even more, erm, all. Pip pip! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Tue Jun 15 03:26:23 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:26:23 -0700 Subject: Sinister: England Made Me (not really!) Message-ID: EssexDog5 barked: >>Black Box Recorder are phenomenal. That's all. Oh, and buy the Baahder Meinhof album too. That's even more, erm, all. Pip pip! << And Chris(topher Robin) responds: Black Box Recorder are, indeed, phenomenal. As was Baader Meinhoff. As are the Auteurs (new single out now, called "The Rubettes" apparently after a 1970s bubblegum-glam group, yet to arrive in Oregon, whinge). As is Mr. Luke Haines, for those who don't know the mastermind behind all aforementioned projects, a man whom I would like to nominate to the Morrissey/Cocker/Murdoch level of songwriting genius (there's a second tier with the love triangle of Albarn/Frischmann/Anderson, also rather impressive, Albarn less so than the other two)- he [Haines] is alarmingly clever, artistic, passionate, and creative. Best lyrics off the heart-pulverizing BBR record "England Made Me", from the tune "Swinging": "Are you a hardcore hooligan? Did you really burn the old school down?/If I set fire to you now, would you even make a sound?" *sigh* perfection! :) And a voice like a cold, cold Mary Poppins wrapping itself around those dire and sarcastic Haines bons mots....!!! FYI, Black Box Recorder are now fortuitously signed to the suave and elegant indie label nude records, who really know how to push a band (Suede, of course, and Ultrasound is rather omnipresent now as well, as I'm sure all you UK inkyweekly readers know. I quite like Ultrasound) so good for them. and speaking of the nude records stable of talent, a late R.I.P. for Sharkboy. Sorry for no B&S content but you can bet your bippie I'll be posting within hours of the upcoming Looper show. You know how Homer Simpson, mouth agape, drools in anticipation of donuts and beer? That is me when I think that it is but 3 short weeks until I will be witnessing Looper in my home town. -Chris "Lend yourself to others, and give yourself to yourself." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bfundak at xxx.edu Tue Jun 15 05:07:22 1999 From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:07:22 -0400 Subject: Sinister: What to do when your modem goes out, and the Simpsons Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990615000722.009355a0@popb.bgsu.edu> Hello again (I've missed you all), The other day there was a nasty storm in Ohio and whilst chatting with my chums on #sinister a lightning bolt struck rather close and fried my modem. Fortunately, I had a back up. Unfortunately, I'd managed to misplace my driver disk and my system disk, so I had to wait until today to install it. So basically I had to wait three days to get back on the Internet. Well without access or friends for that matter (they all seemed to leave town this weekend for some reason) and blowing my chance to go to ann arbor with this incredibly cute girl from Denver thanks to a prior commitment, I was searching for ways to waste time. I tried watching Return of the Jedi, but it is still my least favorite Star Wars film (including the Phantom Menace), and it didn't really work. I of course listened to music, but it has been so dreadfully muggy lately that it really sucked all of the fun out of music for me. Then it came to me. why not read a book? I had read books before and enjoyed them and I had just finished reading the brilliant Continental Drift by Russell Banks. So I picked up another book, this time Veronica by Nicholas Christopher and realized just how liberating reading could be. Now I don't feel so dumb for getting that degree in English. One last note on this reading thing. I just started reading Almanac of the Dead by Leslie Marmon Silko. I'm trying to figure out how long it is going to take me to read a 750 page book (and how long did it take her to write it?) Finally a last note on the Simpsons. I think the reason it is easier to watch a Simpsons episode that was made past season 2 is that sometime during season 2 the writers decided to deviate from matt Groening's "Life in Hell" format of the original Simpsons from the Tracy Ullman Show and instead decided to use the Simpsons as a forum for social critique. I think the most endearing quality of the Simpsons is that the Simpsons are probably the most effective form of satire on US television. It's really no secret that the Simpson's writers are aligned with the American left politically (and radically so I would say in some cases) but because it is a cartoon, no one views the show as threatening. I think this is best illustrated by the recent Easter Sunday episode of the Simpsons, which was so obviously critical of Christians, and yet really had no protest from the right wing or Christian Coalition at all. However, to the intelligent viewer, the simpsons is a serious satire of American life, and pretty much a good diagnosis of what is wrong with it. You can do these things with a smile you know. Well sorry to have wasted all of your time. Digest wise this should read: Check out Russell Banks and Nicholas Christopher Simpsons #1 because of SATIRE. Nothing about Brandt's crush. That's because it hasn't gone anywhere. When something happens, I'll let you know. I leave you now with the immortal words of Homer Simpson... Brandt "Animals crap on our floors and WE pick it up! What, did we lose a war or something?" --Homer Simpson +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 05:24:19 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:24:19 EDT Subject: Sinister: Oh bother... Message-ID: <6f30a2c3.24972f73@aol.com> In my last paragraph of my last post, the sentence should have read "I'm not really sure we're among the best MD has to offer..." rather than the boastful version that the list has seen. My dad was getting quite bothered because he has to use the phone and under his constant pressure I gaffed. We're not an arrogant or very self-assured band by any means so I hope we didn't give that impression...later Steve C. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". 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From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com Subject: Re: Sinister: Young, Witty, and Perplexed Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:52:34 EDT Size: 5597 URL: From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Tue Jun 15 05:40:29 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E Hamilton) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:40:29 -0400 Subject: Sinister: slow slow jane, make sense Message-ID: <007801beb6e9$33399700$ad1574cc@woody> and a good evening to you all, said the lark, er, yes... i just returned from seeing the second austin powers. it's quite good, but it doesn't touch the original, and the use of WHO music throughout (well for around 20 seconds) makes it worthwhile, as well as a flaming lips number. my question, does anyone out there like elvis costello? the more i hear of him the more i like, it's a bit addicting, like those first listens to any who album. so is there 'an' essential elvis album i should buy? somebody tell me, now, yes, while i still don't have wrinkles everywhere. my congratulations to jygsaw dave and molly who both found my website, although dave did post the wrong address to you lot. so i'll refrain from posting the real address until the site is more than halfway done. of course, molly cheated and looked on my icq profile, which i had already updated a long time ago. balderdash. my back hurts from my labors today, and tomorrow i shall stand by the beach and serve pretzels at harbourfest--a hideous celebration of food and fireworks, in which yours truly gets to stand meekly like an outcast and serve nine year olds candy whilst the girls laugh mockingly at the kid with the apron behind the pretzel machine. so if anyone sees me, do say hello, won't you? and cheers to jygsaw dave, who seems to be picking up on the who vibe i mentioned earlier. ahhh i do remember those first days, of playing tommy over and over, and then quadrophenia, every day for months and months and months. the joys of teenage life, saturated with a naive angst that just feels so good... until tomorrow, or whenever i feel the need to be me again blake xx ps. and what's the deal with bad mouthing TIJAMRS, and the ep of the same name? that ep is my favorite, maybe because it's got my favorite isobel song and and my favorite b&s bit in general. so from now on, no more things to say, unless they're genuinley complimentary about said ep. thanks and my hat's off to you... -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "Fuck!" - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 06:04:38 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:04:38 EDT Subject: Sinister: le grand simpsons Message-ID: I'm going to side with the pro-Simpson posse here. Anyone who doubts their hilariousness and unending viewability (is that a word??) needs to see the Springfield Film Festival where the shot of Hans Moleman getting hitting in the nuts with a football almost wins top prize. Or when Otto mistakes Hans for a gremlin and runs him off the road. Or the April Fool's episode where Bart puts the beer in the paint shaker. Or the epsiode of McBain where Mendoza exclaims "McBain! I thought I sent you to hell!" and McBain replies "Here's a souvenir!" and throws a grenade. Or anytime Disco Stu opens his mouth. I don't know, the Simpsons hold a soft spot in my heart and I will back them against the staunchest of attacks. While we're speaking of American TV, any Married With Children fans on the list? I know they probably embody the most low-brow humor known to man but I'll be damned if they aren't one of the funniest sitcoms I've ever seen. Too bad they're cancelled now, but oh well... It stinks that B&S aren't playing Bowlie III..looks like my UK trip will be at least postponed to the Spring. Rats. Well Looper in a month so at there's that. Alright real good then (as they say in Fargo) Steve C. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 06:30:47 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:30:47 EDT Subject: Sinister: re: the kids are *not* alright Message-ID: <368167c5.24973f07@aol.com> >on another less relevant note (ha) i was watching one of my old tapes the >other day and it had a Superchunk video on it, for "the First Part". >apparently at the time i had really liked that video for some reason. i >can't explain but superchunk just make me wanna rock out every time i hear >them, i think it's some genetic flaw. but in any case i realized there was >a lot of indie rock dancing going on in there. It seems that indie rock >dancing consists mainly of bouncing aimlessly up and down while >indiscrimately flailing your arms in any direction they happen to flop at. >i wondered if anyone else has observed other types of indie rock dancing in >their excursions there and about. I figure superchunk is about typical of >Indie Rawk. I was thinking about this in terms of a little cartoon lesson I may draw for my zine... i think there is definitly more to be said about indie rock dancing than the twee pogo...i see a lot more of the reserved hand moves nowadays, so it looks like you're playing one potato-two potato-three potato-four with yourself, or this other wierd fist thing that basically means keeping your feet planted firmly on the ground while you wag the rest of your body and pound your hips with the insides of your wrists. those moves strike me particularly because i remember laughing at them when i first saw them and then later i caught myself doing them +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 06:30:48 1999 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:30:48 -0700 Subject: Sinister: sinister minstrels In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990609191741.02f15610@mail.hooked.net> References: <002701beb2b8$5469d0a0$4411020a@rebelstrange> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990614223048.00990440@mail.hooked.net> Well, I've gotten a handful of submissions for the Sinister minstrels list. Not sure if I have all the information correct, but I just wanted to put it up and avoid procrastination... Just put them up in categories and order of submission. http://www.therescuers.net/html/sinister-music.html I figured there'd be more musicians, but maybe folks are just being shy and secretive. If anyone wants me to add them to the list or change anything, just let me know. It'd be kinda fun to actually play in a different city if given the chance, so maybe folks can exchange that kinda info if the opportunity ever arises. Maybe I should add instrumentalists for people looking to join bands... or for anyone who just plays an instrument. senor droolcup [ hoisting the twee handkerchief ] At 07:17 PM 6/9/99 -0700, Chris Butler wrote: >eh ho sinisterinis... > >i'd like to make a list of all the folks on the >list who are actually in bands, work at indie clubs, >dj at certain clubs, whatever - music makers either >with instruments or making the show happen. >[ skin flute doesn't count though, gentlemen. ] > >it'd be nice to even have associated websites if possible. > >anyone interested? it'd be fairly easy to massage into html. > >oof-galoof, >senor droolcup [ a broken g-string got me out of tune ] +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Tue Jun 15 11:15:43 1999 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:15:43 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Pat Magroin (please) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990615101543.006c4ca4@ampsys.co.uk> Hello again, Sorry the header's my only Simpson reference, not being such a connoisseur as fellow listees. Though I have been known to ring pubs on friends mobiles to ask for people with silly names : my Jenny Tool has worked best so far (I hope that quote is taken out of context). Anyway much giggling and landlord wrath ensued. "Check out Russell Banks" I can only agree with Brandt's suggestion. I read "Rule of the Bone" on holiday a few years ago and it was fantastic. It's another Coming of Age / modern Catcher in the Rye tale. But don't let that put you off, if it does, it's a real page turner (as opposed to one of those shoddy fake ones). And I'll add to what fun the Tigermilker at the Garage was. Thanks to Mark and everyone who staged said event. Like Erica I too jumped up to Suede and then incoherently shuffled my two left feet and felt a bit of a plonker really. No change there really then, ho hum... I'm sure I had something interesting and funny say. Maybe next time... Oh I'm in New York, Boston and Toronto in the Fall (as in yes I've been reading up on your strange North American sayings and ways and not as in going as about the millionth member of the scary Mark E Smith's pop combo). So all suggestions of where to go and pic-nic invites would be appreciated. I'm sure I'll hassle you all nearer the time. Te ra, Martin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ScoDog1441 at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 11:46:33 1999 From: ScoDog1441 at xxx.com (ScoDog1441 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:46:33 EDT Subject: Sinister: Curley, Straight, Curley, Straight, Curley, Straight Message-ID: <51341a04.24978909@aol.com> No ive not been drinking again. Well ok i have a little teeny weeny bit. That's just got to be one of my favourite Homer Simpson lines, in the one where he goes back to high school and kidnaps the rival school's pig and starts playing with its tail until it bites him. Curley, Straight, Curley, Straight, Curley, Straight. Classic. Yep, im bored. Boss is away and im doing no work. just to re-irate for anyone who's boss IS in today, thats NO WORK. So if anyone wants to compare favourite Homer-isms, feel free, i got 5 hours to kill... Oh and a bit of b&s stuff for ya: In line with the 'la la la la la' comp, can anyone guess from which song the following instrumental break comes: " " Bedabbing Scottydog +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gburnsid at xxx.uk Tue Jun 15 11:54:31 1999 From: gburnsid at xxx.uk (Girvan Burnside) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:54:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Curley, Straight, Curley, Straight, Curley, Straight References: <51341a04.24978909@aol.com> Message-ID: <376630E7.CCC300EF@mcs.dundee.ac.uk> I'm doing very slightly more work than none - so... OH MY GOD! Tramampoline! Trampampoline! - Homer sees ad for free trampoline. Obligatory B&S content - That Electronic Renaissance song really annoys me. I like everything else though. Girvan ScoDog1441 at aol.com wrote: > > Yep, im bored. Boss is away and im doing no work. just to re-irate for > anyone who's boss IS in today, thats NO WORK. So if anyone wants to compare > favourite Homer-isms, feel free, i got 5 hours to kill... > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 12:13:35 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:13:35 PDT Subject: Sinister: Alex Chilton Message-ID: <19990615111335.98054.qmail@hotmail.com> Ah yes, the mighty Simpons. Fo me Granpa Sipson has always been THE character. 2 reasons for that: 1) Halloween special: Ned Flanders comes out of nowhere and says "BOO!" People just look at him, but Granpa grabs his chest and screams of horror. Then Bart says: "I've got a story that will make you wet your pants." To which, our beloved senile Granpa says: "Too late." Brilliant. 2) Lisa is crying because she thinks she's ugly, and Homer is sitting beside her. Homer: "You're the cutest child in the world." Lisa (sobbing): "Every parent says that!" Just then, Granpa walks past the open door. Homer: "Dad, am I cute?" Granpa: "No, you're ugly as a mules ass!!" Homer: "See Lisa?" Classic. Music now: Anyone here into The Replacements? Just yesterday I got "pleased to meet me" from the library, and it's like, sooooo good. Funny coincidence, Singles came from TV yesterday, and as we all know (well some of us, anyway), Paul Westerberg made the soundtrack to that film. The world is a funny place. Thats it, theres nothing to see here anymore. @--->--- JaCe Le PeTiT. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From RPushong at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 12:14:05 1999 From: RPushong at xxx.com (RPushong at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:14:05 EDT Subject: Sinister: back with the killer again... Message-ID: <94c3150.24978f7d@aol.com> in one of those nme/mm type questionaires Luke Haines was asked ''what would you do if you were invisible for a day'' i think he replied '' i've been invisible for years , i'd put out some more great records'' i thought that was a cool thing to say. richard... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 12:19:52 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:19:52 PDT Subject: Sinister: Alex Chilton apologies Message-ID: <19990615111952.23418.qmail@hotmail.com> Sorry, this is a complete waste of your time, and this will NOT happen again, but: Just about 5 minutes ago, Jarkko Frantila (aka Jace le petit) wrote: >Fo me Granpa Sipson> Sipson? Fo? Me Tarzan, you Jane... @--->---a rose, love and other stuff that makes you feel funny in your tummy, jake. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Tue Jun 15 12:28:19 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:28:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Forgive me Reverend Lovejoy for I have sinned Message-ID: <80256791.003F058F.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> It was me who said made the original comment about Simpsons. Before I am permanently cast in the role of social deviant, I would like to make it clear that I am in fact a huge Simpsons fan and spend a large part of my life watching reruns. They're great on second, third, fourth viewing. All I meant was that *even* the appeal of the Simpsons starts to pall after, say, the fifth viewing. Unless the episode invloves Ralph Wiggum saying something like "My cat's called Mittens". Funnily enough, I originally typed 'Fawlty Towers' but changed it so as to appear culturally with-it. I love it when Belle & Sebastian are played on the radio. I always think there must be at least one listener every time who has their life changed forever. For accounts of these type of moments, why not have a look at cheesy B&S memories section of the Jeepster Records' discography section at http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/discography/index.htm ? It's like they've brought 'Our Tune' back from the grave. Actually, I think Atlantic 252 have already done that. But there's not much Belle & Sebastian content on Atlantic 252. Maybe one day. "Hi, you're tuned to Stuart Murdoch's Sounds Of The Late 20th Century Scottish Indie Scene. Next up - 18 Wheeler!" Is it just me, or do all those "On my CD player right now, Pavement's 'Terror Twilight'" type sign offs remind anyone else of "I'm wanking as I write this" ? Not in a bad way, you understand. Disturbing me today: The still loomingly ubiquitous presence of posters advertising Cast's 'Magic Hour' all over London. That child! He's got that look about him that says "Yeah - I've just robbed your car but you can't do anything about it because I'm below the criminal age of responsibility." Where's me Daily Mail? Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 13:53:24 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:53:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Saddle-back Moo Cows. Message-ID: <01BEB736.7022D300.p.cullen@music-control.com> aiiight homies? scotty mentioned the first rule of our "collective": "get to the pub before everyone else" for any one who was wondering what the rest of the rules were (anyone, anyone, bueller, bueller....) there is only one other really important one: "LEAVE the pub after everyone else" you will come up against a lot of adversity (ie shouty men in black bomber jackets) with this one. however, fear not. play your mad card. the bouncers in my local are too afraid to kick me and my mates out for same reason. the effectiveness of this method all depends on what you have been drinking. i always find that cider utilises my madness factor to its full potential. when drinking whiskey, the most i can muster is a sort of haughty, disdainful look with security people, far too dignified for the likes of a booze exploder. so then, to summarise: drink lots of cider, act (?) like a mentalist and you will never go thirsty again. as for b&s content, i dont know if any of you are from dublin, but i should have tickets soon for the dj gig in vicar street. 5 pounds a go. god, i feel like delboy trotter..... "as god is my witness, i shall never go thirsty again" paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Tue Jun 15 14:14:11 1999 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:14:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: How do you do sir.... Message-ID: <00b501beb731$1b816d20$9fd8b0c2@default> Good greetings to you all.... Homer Moments: The witness protection thing.... The WPP guy, after about four hours of trying says to Homer 'When I say "How do you do, Mr Thompson" and press on your foot, you nod, OK?' Homer says OK. The guy does it, Homer looks blank then turns to the other WPP guy and says 'I think he's talking to you...' An episode where Bart is skipping school and Homer is skipping work, both are approaching each other from the other end of the street. Home hides, puts a comb under his nose and strolls past, entoning 'How do you do sir?' in a very high-pitched voice.... Last one: When Homer is looking at a family pic, Bart is holding a speech bubble under Homer, saying I am fat (or something I can't quite remember) and Homer says; 'I don't remember saying that!' I collapsed in laughter. That's the appeal of the Simpsons, the humour goes from subtle to laugh-till-you-burst... pure genius. Non-Homer Moment: The Thompsons episode, where Sideshow Bob is caught by Chief Wiggum and his men. Wiggum, dressed in a pink dressing-gown says; 'It's a good thing you stopped outside this brothel.' My B&S content: I think that Isobell has the sweetset voice I have ever heard. It's the sort of voice that makes you wish you were wearing very loose trousers :) Isobell, if you're reading this... marry me! To all other sinisterines, an appeal for help... Did anyone happen to tape the Tibet concert with Thom Yorke / Johnny Greenwood? If so, please could you send me a copy? Eternal thanks to anyone who can, and I'll see what I can offer in return. As any other amateur writers/poets know, sometimes you reach a a standstill and need something to inspire you. I am looking for something to inspire me, a comment, a picture, a sound, anything. Get cracking, the winner gets a poem written about them. Cheerio... -- Jason Andreas -- The Romantic Scotsman -- -- The original owner of a broken heart -- { jasonandreas at breathemail.net } -- contact me ... oh yes! -- -- Spammers WILL be shot... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Tue Jun 15 14:42:39 1999 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:42:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Jake Head Boogie Message-ID: Hello there! Whilst looking about on the Ace Records website, I was pleased to see that the world of Sinister has infiltrated the world of Blues, with a feature on "Lightning" Hopkins! With songs such as "Give me Back that Wig", and "Lonesome Dog Blues", I can see why he is referred to as the "post-war King Of Texas Blues". Why does no-one talk about "Lightning Hopkins" on the list anymore, eh? I'm glad to see that the Tigerfiddling night went ok, I hear that Kevan played Agent-Double-O-Soul by John Schroeder. The title is worth celebrating at least, I bet the songs even better! I have a JS record called "Working in the Soul Mine". I think its cool. Black Box Recorder are boring. Dull. England Made Me. Thats an interesting concept isn't it. About, um, growing up in England, shaped by its cultural and social values. Like millions of people DO NOT LIVE THAT EXPERIENCE EVERY DAY!!! It's bad enough without having to listen to people making droning voice-like-a-limp-cabbage moronic popular beat records about it!! So shut up! Bastards. Of course, the song may be just about pumpkins. And the title may just be an abstract pretentious choice. I can't remember what the song sounds like now. Well yes I can. Dull. Uninteresting so I don't know why I'm giving it further life by mentioning it more. I have "We Might Be Stars" (or whatever its called) in my head by the Wannadies. Thats not good. Who said A-level English wasn't interesting by the way? I'm revising Jane overwrittensarcasticharpie Austen right now. byebye Sarah xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gleng at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 15:16:22 1999 From: gleng at xxx.com (Gordon Glen) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:16:22 +0800 Subject: Sinister: Alex Chilton References: <19990615111335.98054.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <37666035.11805DDC@hkstar.com> In reply to jarkko frantila The Replacements were indeed a fine band. I recall seeing them at the marquee in London many centuries ago. If you haven't listened to the Album Tim it is also very fine. Paul Westerberg recently released a new album which is worth purchasing. On topic 3 sinisterites got together for a beer rather than a picnic in Hong Kong on Friday last. More meets are planned in due course so if there are any other HK fans hiding out there let us know. Gordon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From boostventilator at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 15:15:27 1999 From: boostventilator at xxx.com (Boost Ventilator) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:15:27 -0300 Subject: Sinister: acid house snd trak Message-ID: <199906151415.LAA04946@bug.andara.com> > Anti-Hit List > http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicAntihit/jun15_anti.html > > 5. PRIMAL SCREAM - Insect Royalty > Released months ago in the U.K., this soundtrack to the > latest film by Irvine ("Trainspotting") Welsh finally surfaces here, kicked > off by this spiky, disorienting instrumental, but also featuring notable > contributions by Bentley Rhythm Ace, Belle & Sebastian, and Barry Adamson > duetting with Nick Cave. (From the "Acid House" soundtrack, EMI) -- Iain Kenneth MacLeod mailto:boostventilator at bigfoot.com http://www.bigfoot.com/~boostventilator +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bkim0 at xxx.edu Tue Jun 15 15:49:05 1999 From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Hello, my name is Mr. Burns. I believe you have a letter for me... Message-ID: <199906151449.KAA71174@dept.english.upenn.edu> Scodog, you are going to get *reamed* when everyone starts protesting "Hey, when did this turn into the Simpsons list" or "Can we keep the posts on-topic please, personal diary entries only". But I can't resist joining the avalanche of favorite Homer-isms so... - Homer (in lame disguise): "Hello, my name is Mr. Burns. I believe you have a letter for me." Postal Worker: "OK, Mr. Burns. Uh, what's your first name?" Homer (after long pause): "I don't know." (afterwards) Homer (bitterly): "Great plan, Bart!" - Moe: "What's your friend's name?" Homer: "Joey...Joe-Joe...Junior...Shabadoo." - GI: "Homer? Who is Homer? My name is Guy Incognito." (after Guy gets beat up) Homer: "Oh my God. This man is my exact twin....hey, a dog with a poofy tail!" - "I am evil Ho-mer. I am evil Ho-mer." - (crying, defeated) "Hey there...Blimpy Boy..." - "I've had just about enough of your Vassar-bashing young lady!" - Marge: "I just don't want him to think we're smothering him." Homer: "Yeah. And then we'd get the chair." Marge: "Homer, that's not what I meant." Homer: "It was, Marge, admit it." - Homer (in falsetto): "You make me feel like dancing..." Barney: "...I wanna dance the night away!" - "Now Marge, just remember. If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English. Ah, Tibor, how many times have you saved my butt?" - "There was a little Spanish flea, A record star he thought he'd be. He heard of singers like Beatles, The Chipmunks he'd seen on TV. Why not a little Spanish flea? And so he hid inside a dog..." I could go on and on and on. But I won't lest the server housing Sinister collapse under the weight of this Simpsonphilic post. I am always tickled to see how far and wide "D'oh" has spread into the global vernacular though. Maybe to keep things on-topic (fairly) we can start reminiscing about Willy quotes and other Scottish references...though it's probably fair to say B&S are Simpsons fans so heck, this isn't that OT. Obeying the laws of thermodynamics, Xavier BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0 at dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 15:44:22 1999 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:44:22 -0700 Subject: Sinister: *NOT* about the Simpsons In-Reply-To: <199906151415.LAA04946@bug.andara.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990615074422.009c69c0@mail.hooked.net> heya, does anyone else like 'Home Movies' out there? or should I start taping this cartoon now before UPN decides it should give way to more shows like 'Brother Brother'... for those of you across the pond, 'Home Movies' is a cartoon about a 10 yr old kid who likes to pretend he's a famous director and who gets his friends to play roles in his video efforts. the voices on the show are super. oddly enough, it's much more laugh inducing than the lackluster, well marketed Dilbert show. it's got lots of neurotic, funny characters and the drawing is raw, but pretty amusing with facial expressions. senor droolcup [ throw me a friggin' bone ] +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MctaggartR at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 16:04:02 1999 From: MctaggartR at xxx.com (Mctaggart, Robert) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:04:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Don't bore us, get to the chorus Message-ID: People of Sinister, It's like the Marie Celeste here. I've just finished a fascinating report on the effect of opening Canada Water Underground Station, I've grown weary of goosing the secretaries and photocopying my buttocks, so I'm going to write to you, dear Sinister, because I've neglected you of late. I've discovered the joys of listening to CDs at work. I couldn't do this before and now I can and this makes me very happy. I'm listening to a group called Fidget who are errm...Swedish and are very good. They sound like Robot with a girl singer, and you all know how good Robot are, don't you? One song starts "Hello! You fool", surely a tribute to those other giants of Svenskrock - Roxette. I was worried that after my post-Eurovision outburst that you'd be doubting the firmness of my belief that Sweden is the future of music, so this is to reassure you. It's Wimbledon soon. This is for the benefit of Tim "Henman" Hopkins, who I know loves tennis in general and Wimbledon in particular. He told me his favourite bits are when a pigeon lands on the court, and everyone pisses their pants as if it's the funniest thing in the world. He also said that it's much better than football, cos football is as common as dirt. He said none of those things in reality, I'm just trying to provoke him into writing, cos he hasn't for a while and I miss him so much it hurts. Wow. I thought I was the only person in the entire world who liked the Simpsons ~ Tag x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tourajsig2 at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 17:38:02 1999 From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Drowning in Berlin Message-ID: <19990615163802.28520.rocketmail@web127.yahoomail.com> Dear gypsies, tramps and thieves... Both PJ and Mr Lucey of Berkeley said encouraging things about Bill Evans; may I add to the clamour and suggest folks seek out "Trio 64" ? Recently lovingly remastered and reissued on Verve in one of those lovely fold-out digipak-with-booklet things. In common with many reissues of this type, there's a lot of useless junk on the end like 11-second false starts and alternate takes which, if we were talking about "Smokey and the Bandit", would be the best bit. (Jackie Gleason fluffing his lines and so on, played over the closing credits as a special treat for those cinema-goers who like to stay and see just who *was* the 2nd unit gaffer.) But we're not. Well, *I'm* not - you may have been. Just don't do it again. Kevan Cooke hurled his assailant into a shelf full of crockery before uttering the following poorly-dubbed words: > you see, GOLDEN NUGGETS were my favourite breakfast > cereal as a child > anyway, > i'll be having a bowl tonight. On the first bus out of town ? Ha ha. Oh, and Deep Luv to KC for playing not only Free Design but also The Left Banke at Friday's shindig. I was so happy I could've kissed strangers. Which, come to think of it, I probably did. Sorry, strangers. Robert McTaggart, his superpowers waning, clung desperately to the cliff face and forced out the following plea: > I've just finished a fascinating report > on the effect of opening Canada Water Underground Station Is it too much to expect this to provoke a lengthy thread on the Jubilee Line extension ? It's got to be better than talking about the Jetsons the whole time. I'm particularly anxious to see how the various interchanges are depicted on the revised map - an extra black-rimmed circle at Waterloo or an adjustment to accommodate the silver line within the current cluster of rings ? None of you have a bleedin' clue what I'm talking about, do you ? Honestly, first you start nattering on about Burt Reynolds and now you're pretending not to be interested in the biggest single addition to London's Tube network in 25 years. I'll have your medication stopped and then you'll be sorry. I've been under a lot of pressure lately, y'know... Mike. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bfundak at xxx.edu Tue Jun 15 17:42:54 1999 From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:42:54 -0400 Subject: Sinister: How many times can you listen to a Belle and Sebastian record? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990615124254.0093a690@popb.bgsu.edu> Before you start to get sick of it that is? Nick's comment that he could only watch a Simpsons episode three or four times before he gets sick of it reminded me that my friends have been telling me lately that they have burned themselves out on Belle and Sebastian (even though they are looking forward to the Tigermilk re-release.) So what about you guys? Have any of you had to swear off Belle and Sebastian for a while because you listened to it to much? Okay now that that's out of the way, I would like to say that while I have at times stopped listening to Belle and Sebastian, there are certain episodes of the Simpsons I could watch over and over again. Recent favorites include the episode where Lisa becomes a vegetarian, the fat Homer episode, and the episode where Troy McClure marries Selma (you can not beat Planet of the Apes the Musical) I long to see the Homer sexual harrassment episode and the Simpson's take off of Thelma and Louise (where Homer believes that the ballet is a bear in a Fez smooshed into a tiny car riding around a circus tent. The best bit of this joke is that later when he tells Lenny and Carl that he is going to the ballet with Marge, Lenny says "Oh, You're going to see the bear in the car?") Okay, I'll stop crying now. Brandt "Mother-fucking weather people. You better not have an eighty degree day. God damn it, I've been itching like crazy." --Nut in Cleveland +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Tue Jun 15 17:54:55 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:54:55 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Does this count as B&S content? Message-ID: Hello all- Favorite Homer-ism: "I'm TIRED of being a wannabe league bowler. I wanna be a LEAGUE bowler!" I also love it when Marge says, "Look! It's more letters from people who want to be Bart's People, Bart!". The little word plays are just supreme, very clever. Best writing on TV. Oh, and for some (VERY) indirect B&S/Simpsons correlation: The Simpsons are mentioned rather affectionately in the Arab Strap song "The First Big Weekend". A cute song. So does THAT count as B&S-related content? Well, does it? And for those Erik Satie devotees out there, my Satie story: I first heard "Gymnopodies #3" over the credits of Woody Allen's "Another Woman", his excellent, graceful, dignified, very dramatic and severely under-rated film from 1988, and have been in love with Satie ever since (I already loved Allen's work). Love always- -Chris "And I wondered if a memory is something you have, or something you've lost." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ussher at xxx.ca Tue Jun 15 18:14:50 1999 From: ussher at xxx.ca (allen) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:14:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: How many listens does it take to get to the centre of a BelleAndSebastianPop? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990615124254.0093a690@popb.bgsu.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Brandt S. Fundak wrote: > > Before you start to get sick of it that is? Nick's comment that he could > only watch a Simpsons episode three or four times before he gets sick of it > reminded me that my friends have been telling me lately that they have > burned themselves out on Belle and Sebastian (even though they are looking > forward to the Tigermilk re-release.) So what about you guys? Have any of > you had to swear off Belle and Sebastian for a while because you listened > to it to much? I find if I listen to something continuously for months and never stop listening to it, I will never get tired of it (currently LLPJ, but used to be MBV's Loveless and Sloan's Twice Removed). But once I STOP listening to it and start listening to something else, I can never go back to the original recording with the same emotions and attachment. :( I've found this with with IYFS and TBWTAS. They're still fun to listen to, but I can no longer get lost in the songs completely. > Okay now that that's out of the way, I would like to say that while I have > at times stopped listening to Belle and Sebastian, there are certain > episodes of the Simpsons I could watch over and over again. Recent > favorites include the episode where Lisa becomes a vegetarian, the fat > Homer episode, and the episode where Troy McClure marries Selma (you can > not beat Planet of the Apes the Musical) Oh, good lord, I was laughing so hard at the Planet of the Apes musical. Once the apes started to breakdance I completely lost it. Ooh, ooh, I've got one of those daily Homerisms calendar on my desk and today's Homer quote is, "That's fine for you, Marge. But I used to rock and roll all night and party every day. Then it was every other day. Now I'm lucky if I can find half an hour a week in which to get funky. I've got to get out of this rut and back into the groove!" I saw A Bout De Souffle (Breathless) this weekend and marvelled at Jean Seberg's screen presence (and her beauty). But I was later disheartened when I found out she later committed suicide and didn't have a very happy life. Isn't it quite sad to find out how fragile our heroes can be? I picked up a biography on her and have started reading and I just know it's gonna get sad later on... Cheers, all. Allen (ICQ: #35152981) -- "Long afloat on shipless oceans I did all my best to smile Till your singing eyes and fingers Drew me loving to your isle." -- Song to the Siren, Tim Buckley. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From arete at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 17:11:45 1999 From: arete at xxx.com (Sean de Vega) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:11:45 -0600 Subject: Sinister: Saddle-back Moo Cows. Message-ID: <198951999621515114534@earthdome.com> I certainly agree that imbibing a teutonic amounts of cider (no offence intended, .de sinistereens! ;) leads to that particular state of ludicrous lunacy that would give one pause before one attempts to remove a client from a watering hole of any sort! Especially pubs, man! Also, a particularly "explosive" (pun intended) mixture is woodpecker cider with either metaxa or belhaven st. andrews ale... one is surely NOT to be too keen on the idea of departing his or her pub of choice after a couple healthy pints of cider with some belhaven on top of his gut! By the way, I am going to see Looper on the 20th of July at the Middle East in Boston! So is Thomas Murphy! Anyone in the area wishing to meet up with us, say so! I am so pumped... I've always wanted to go to Boston! hugs and smoochies! sean! _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Tue Jun 15 18:31:45 1999 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:31:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: 94, is it a magic number? Message-ID: Hey ! First of all, sorry Mark because of adressing my post just to you instead of the list.My state yesterday morning was one of the dizziest I can remember. I just opened my box and found 94 messages (and I checked yesterday and only left about 30),92 Sinister ones. It must be the end of the Spring, Carpe Diem, write today what you maybe cannot write tomorrow because the server will be down..etc.And among the pile I have already stacked in my brain,quotes from supa dupa fly Nicky Dastoor about 'on my cd player right now...'reminding him of 'i am wanking while posting'.There was a widespread concern about the short supply of smut lately, no doubt Nick relies on himself as the one to sort out our worries.My God.I am happy my mum cannot understand English in case she ever reads these things.Ewan is not going to be demanded again for a frontal one if Hollywood hears of Nick. For Jarkko, who is the reason why I have revised the photo-page today to find out about his rising star in the crush voting rates, the Replacements were regarded by Winona Ryder as her favourite band ever and lots of indie boys then opened their ears to them. About how to improve Tigermilking nights at the Garage, I will attend the next one even if my granny decides to marry for second time on the same day after being a widow 45 years.There cannot be any better improvement.And I will be drinking Pimm's, it is one of my Summer intentions.In fact, we had been talking of having a Posh party here around the lake in Nottingham campus, with crocket and cricket, cucumber sandwiches,picnic baskets with the family silver tea service and Pimm's, darling. Nick and Jarkko are the names appearing more frequently among the 94 ones invading my electronic home.I wonder how they make the Guardian every day...maybe they have gnome helpers as Santa. Will I have CD in my refurbished lab next September? When will I , will I have CD-player? Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rehakk at xxx.edu Tue Jun 15 19:03:49 1999 From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: thesipmsons: a sebby topic Message-ID: i find it funny that almost all (if not all) of the contributors to the recently flowing simpsons thread have been male. i'm not trying to be sexist, mind you, i am just reporting an objective fact that i've noticed. i find it amusing, though, because all of my male friends at school have an overt obsession with this show (which, if i've been informed correctly is bases on the town springfield, ohio where m. groenig attended college). my friends will start spitting out these quotes. i'll sit there (it happened at dinner alot) and finally i'll ask "what's that from?" and they'll look at me like i've got an ice cream cone on my head and say, "simpsons, kim" i finally got some of the references by the time we got to the end of the year (thanks to some late night drinking and viewing hours). i like the simpons, i think it's a very smart critique of society. but i'm not obsessed with it, and come to think of it, i don't know any females who are obsessed with it. is it a gender thing? maybe, i don't know any males who have an obsession with leopard print shoes and red lipstick like i do. i'm sitting here bored at work (as usual) but right besidem a newly installed scanner. so, as dr. allen pearl in "waiting for guffman" says "LOOKOUT!" miss marie elia is sending me photos which will be posted soon on the photo pages. hold on to your buxom selves (or mine if you need to). oh and marie, suck it up and let go of your blood! you can't keep it forever :) i hope your mummy gets you your teletubby. i'm losing my attention span, it's dwindling away from my bitty mind. all day, since i haven't been working, i've been reading people magazine, whilst a nice old copy of rabbit, run (which i STILL haven't finished) pleads with me to be opened. perhaps i shall answer it... one quick question before i a go-go: if any object could talk to you what would you want it to be? it would be my car, but it's buried in the backyard with my hermit crabs. i don't know what it would be now. i'm still in mourning. anyway, just let me know (not the list), perhaps if people reply, i can post the results. or perhaps not tootoo, KIMberly xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 19:08:27 1999 From: ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com (Ben Parker) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: ummm...things: no more simpsons. please. Message-ID: <19990615180827.13661.rocketmail@web201.mail.yahoo.com> As much as I like it, I've had enough of the simpsons - when ever I go into to a pub with my friends all blokes can talk about is the simpsons and football, forever, like it is all a nineties male can talk about, and I don't like football at all, so although simpsons offers a relief from it, it does get a bit much. So when i'm confronted by a sea of e-mails regarding it, it's like there's no escape... As for black box recorder - did you hear that song on the b-side to england made me - factory radio - i thought it was really good actually - a return to the simple autours pop songs that i really liked in the old days: junk shop clothes and stuff, as opposed to the later ones. changing the subject briefly: if anyone has nothing to do next monday, 21st, and they are in the london area, then they are more than welcome to come to my bands gig at the red eye...can even download a flyer on our website. (www.tempertwig.freeserve.co.uk) okay; Enough of that. BeN _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From justin at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 19:31:24 1999 From: justin at xxx.com (Justin Williams) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:31:24 -0500 Subject: Sinister: a little bit from Column A, a little bit from Column B Message-ID: <4.1.19990615130513.009c1a30@delafont.com> There is a bit of B&S at the end but while we are on the vein, here is one of my favorite Homerisms (when he is scolding Bart for stealing): "We live in a society of rules. Why do you think I took you to all those Police Academy movies, for fun?!? Well, except that guy who makes noises, (motor noises and other hilarious facial expressions ensue)....what was I saying? Oh yeah, stay out of my booz!" Oh god, I think I almost ruptured an organ when I first saw that scene. I rewound and replayed it probably 5 times. I guess this train of thought could really be applied to any band, but I was lying on my floor last night with a candle nearby listening to BWTAS and started to question the amount of time I spend listening to it and other great albums. I take a small amount of pride in not resorting to distractions for the most part, but is music really a distraction if it is so beautiful? When I listen to a great piece of music, I find myself almost paralyzed in the sense that I can't bring myself to do anything other than succumb to it. If I busy myself with something else, a certain percentage of my consciousness is unable to pay full attention to the music. So, consequently, when I listen to music, I get nothing done, and I listen to music A LOT. When I watch TV, read, or amuse myself with frivolties, I usually am consciously aware that I am distracting myself from reality, but with music am I somehow subconsciously validating it because it has the ability to make one transcend reality without realizing it? Yeah, it is art, but where does one draw the line between indulgence in art and mindfulness to the here and now. After having said that, I realize by listening to music I would have to be in the here and now but it seems like an elitist here and now that is untouched by reality. I'm not sure. Well this may be a case of over-contemplation, but I just wondered if any of you out there have ever thought the same thing, well at least similar things. I hope everyone in sinister land is doing well, thanks for reading my ramblings =) Take care... Justin W Felonius Monk "My mind is distracted and diffused. My thoughts are many miles away, They lie with you when you're asleep... And kiss you when you start your day." - "Kathy's Song" - Simon & Garfunkel (Possibly the most moving verse I have ever heard, I can't but cry every time I hear it) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From justin at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 19:35:23 1999 From: justin at xxx.com (Justin Williams) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:35:23 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Follow up Homer scene Message-ID: <4.1.19990615133227.009c4cb0@delafont.com> Sorry to post twice, but I remembered a scene that follows the one I just mentioned: where marge and homer are chasing Bart around the house and Marge puts across the baby/dog fence in the kitchen doorway, and Homer says, in a backwoods voice, "Get 'em, Ma!" I don't know, the expression on his face is priceless. That's all =) Justin W +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MWaggner at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 19:48:33 1999 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:48:33 EDT Subject: Sinister: Don't bore us, get to the chorus Message-ID: In a message dated 99-06-15 11:25:10 EDT, you write: > He said > none of those things in reality, I'm just trying to provoke him into > writing, cos he hasn't for a while and I miss him so much it hurts. > Me toooooo... let's try this Hopkins Bait as well: Bob Dylan is a genius whose lyrical innovations changed not only the course of history but influenced music for the better EVEN to the present day. Grace Slick, trancendent vocalist of the Great Society, Jefferson Airplane, Jefferson Starship, The Planet Earth Rock & Roll Orchestra and various solo projects, is BY FAR THE BEST FEMALE VOCALIST IN ANY GENRE from 1965 to 1999. (Careful, I hear she's now armed and dangerous.) The film Planet of the Apes contains absolutely no references to racism in the United States whatsoever. "Trickle-Down Economics" as presented by former US President Ronald Reagan and embraced by Britain's Margaret Thatcher was a brilliant policy which benefitted economically challenged peoples globally. People who eat excessive amounts of cheese are prone to constipation not only of their bowels but in their opinions as well. There, I've done my best. If none of this smokes him out, I think we can assume that he's ... joined a commune?... and we'll find him tie-dying his pants. --michele +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Tue Jun 15 20:01:58 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:01:58 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: "Boil some water! Lots of it!' Message-ID: <199906151901.UAA07114@boober.lineone.net> Hello, I too went to the theatre the other day. Very hot and stuffy ('The only thing I get from the theatre is a sore arse'- Paul McCartney (when he was going out with Jane Asher. he says the nicest things)) but it was very good. My brother took me to see Chekhov's 'Three sisters'. He's funny. (Chekhov, not my brother. Mind you...). Some of his stuff is hilarious but he has a very dark side. This one was very depressing. All the sisters' hopes are thwarted, their lovers sent away or killed.. Near the end the eldest says 'maybe, if we wait a little longer, we shall find out why we live, why we suffer...Oh if only we knew!' Not if Chekhov's got anything to do with it, you won't. Britney Spears- why? She's on TV right now and it's just pointless. When was it decided that all teeny acts would sing half arsed anemic 'soul' music? Take That, Boyzone, 5? 4? Miami Boredom Syndicate. I suppose Robbie does half arsed anemic 'indie' music....just for a bit of variety. Talking of half arsed indie music and in reply to whoever it was who asked: I am in a band. We played at The Bull and Gate 2 or 3 weeks back and it was lovely. We've just recorded what lots of people are saying is our best song yet. Picturebox (after the schools TV programme) is our name. Think I blew my chances for a good review when I attacked Simon White (Music For Girls fanzine) for insulting Sunderland AFC. I thought I was a pacifist. Never mind. It's nice that football is loved by some on the list and in the B&S world ( at Bowlie for instance). Too often there is this divide between artiness, or anything not seen as macho or hard, and football. A bit like the outsiders/ in crowd thing at school which was discussed recently. Do you know what I mean? Not expressing myself very well. Think I'll leave it there. Yours Rob 'you're an idiot, babe, It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe' - Bob Dylan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Tue Jun 15 20:04:02 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:04:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: "Boil some water! Lots of it!' Message-ID: <199906151904.UAA31793@boober.lineone.net> Hello, I too went to the theatre the other day. Very hot and stuffy ('The only thing I get from the theatre is a sore arse'- Paul McCartney (when he was going out with Jane Asher. he says the nicest things)) but it was very good. My brother took me to see Chekhov's 'Three sisters'. He's funny. (Chekhov, not my brother. Mind you...). Some of his stuff is hilarious but he has a very dark side. This one was very depressing. All the sisters' hopes are thwarted, their lovers sent away or killed.. Near the end the eldest says 'maybe, if we wait a little longer, we shall find out why we live, why we suffer...Oh if only we knew!' Not if Chekhov's got anything to do with it, you won't. Britney Spears- why? She's on TV right now and it's just pointless. When was it decided that all teeny acts would sing half arsed anemic 'soul' music? Take That, Boyzone, 5? 4? Miami Boredom Syndicate. I suppose Robbie does half arsed anemic 'indie' music....just for a bit of variety. Talking of half arsed indie music and in reply to whoever it was who asked: I am in a band. We played at The Bull and Gate 2 or 3 weeks back and it was lovely. We've just recorded what lots of people are saying is our best song yet. Picturebox (after the schools TV programme) is our name. Think I blew my chances for a good review when I attacked Simon White (Music For Girls fanzine) for insulting Sunderland AFC. I thought I was a pacifist. Never mind. It's nice that football is loved by some on the list and in the B&S world ( at Bowlie for instance). Too often there is this divide between artiness, or anything not seen as macho or hard, and football. A bit like the outsiders/ in crowd thing at school which was discussed recently. Do you know what I mean? Not expressing myself very well. Think I'll leave it there. Yours Rob 'you're an idiot, babe, It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe' - Bob Dylan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Tue Jun 15 20:01:43 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:01:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: "Boil some water! Lots of it!' Message-ID: <199906151901.TAA03004@boober.lineone.net> Hello, I too went to the theatre the other day. Very hot and stuffy ('The only thing I get from the theatre is a sore arse'- Paul McCartney (when he was going out with Jane Asher. he says the nicest things)) but it was very good. My brother took me to see Chekhov's 'Three sisters'. He's funny. (Chekhov, not my brother. Mind you...). Some of his stuff is hilarious but he has a very dark side. This one was very depressing. All the sisters' hopes are thwarted, their lovers sent away or killed.. Near the end the eldest says 'maybe, if we wait a little longer, we shall find out why we live, why we suffer...Oh if only we knew!' Not if Chekhov's got anything to do with it, you won't. Britney Spears- why? She's on TV right now and it's just pointless. When was it decided that all teeny acts would sing half arsed anemic 'soul' music? Take That, Boyzone, 5? 4? Miami Boredom Syndicate. I suppose Robbie does half arsed anemic 'indie' music....just for a bit of variety. Talking of half arsed indie music and in reply to whoever it was who asked: I am in a band. We played at The Bull and Gate 2 or 3 weeks back and it was lovely. We've just recorded what lots of people are saying is our best song yet. Picturebox (after the schools TV programme) is our name. Think I blew my chances for a good review when I attacked Simon White (Music For Girls fanzine) for insulting Sunderland AFC. I thought I was a pacifist. Never mind. It's nice that football is loved by some on the list and in the B&S world ( at Bowlie for instance). Too often there is this divide between artiness, or anything not seen as macho or hard, and football. A bit like the outsiders/ in crowd thing at school which was discussed recently. Do you know what I mean? Not expressing myself very well. Think I'll leave it there. Yours Rob 'you're an idiot, babe, It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe' - Bob Dylan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Tue Jun 15 20:01:49 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:01:49 -0700 Subject: Sinister: No time listening to B&S could ever be considered wasted Message-ID: Justin W. asked: >>So, consequently, when I listen to music, I get nothing done, and I listen to music A LOT. When I watch TV, read, or amuse myself with frivolties, I usually am consciously aware that I am distracting myself from reality, but with music am I somehow subconsciously validating it because it has the ability to make one transcend reality without realizing it? << This is the way I look at it: Your body needs food and water to survive, but your mind and your heart need stimulation, too. I think too many people worry about the "reality" of being productive, keeping the capitalist machine going, too much, and actually don't pay ENOUGH attention to art (music, films, books etc). The question is; what are one's priorities? Is ART the distraction, or is mundane, mediocre "reality" what really distracts us from attempting true passion in life? And even if art IS the distraction, don't we need one from the oppressive boredom of our workaday routines? The only reason anybody should ever feel guilty about spending too much time on music etc. is if it's hindering you from reaching your own goals you've set for yourself, not society's goals for you to be "productive" and make the boss some more money. If you consider that John and Jane Q. Public spend a combined 6-8 hours per day watching drivel on television, a couple hours spent with your records is nothing, and DOES contribute something valuable. (Far too) sincerely- -Noam Chomsky aka CMcQ :) :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Tue Jun 15 20:02:35 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:02:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: "Boil some water! Lots of it!' Message-ID: <199906151902.UAA09266@boober.lineone.net> Hello, I too went to the theatre the other day. Very hot and stuffy ('The only thing I get from the theatre is a sore arse'- Paul McCartney (when he was going out with Jane Asher. he says the nicest things)) but it was very good. My brother took me to see Chekhov's 'Three sisters'. He's funny. (Chekhov, not my brother. Mind you...). Some of his stuff is hilarious but he has a very dark side. This one was very depressing. All the sisters' hopes are thwarted, their lovers sent away or killed.. Near the end the eldest says 'maybe, if we wait a little longer, we shall find out why we live, why we suffer...Oh if only we knew!' Not if Chekhov's got anything to do with it, you won't. Britney Spears- why? She's on TV right now and it's just pointless. When was it decided that all teeny acts would sing half arsed anemic 'soul' music? Take That, Boyzone, 5? 4? Miami Boredom Syndicate. I suppose Robbie does half arsed anemic 'indie' music....just for a bit of variety. Talking of half arsed indie music and in reply to whoever it was who asked: I am in a band. We played at The Bull and Gate 2 or 3 weeks back and it was lovely. We've just recorded what lots of people are saying is our best song yet. Picturebox (after the schools TV programme) is our name. Think I blew my chances for a good review when I attacked Simon White (Music For Girls fanzine) for insulting Sunderland AFC. I thought I was a pacifist. Never mind. It's nice that football is loved by some on the list and in the B&S world ( at Bowlie for instance). Too often there is this divide between artiness, or anything not seen as macho or hard, and football. A bit like the outsiders/ in crowd thing at school which was discussed recently. Do you know what I mean? Not expressing myself very well. Think I'll leave it there. Yours Rob 'you're an idiot, babe, It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe' - Bob Dylan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From csomeone at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 21:13:13 1999 From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:13:13 PDT Subject: Sinister: lua, lua, lua, lua, Message-ID: <19990615201314.98563.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello puppies; Justin W. asked: >>So, consequently, when I listen to music, I get nothing done, and Ilisten >>to music A LOT. When I watch TV, read, or amuse myself with frivolties, I usually am consciously aware that I am distracting myself from reality, but with music am I somehow subconsciously validating it because it has the ability to make one transcend reality without realizing it? << This is the way I look at it: Your body needs food and water to survive, but your mind and your heart need stimulation, too. I think too many people worry about the "reality" of being productive, keeping the capitalist machine going, too much, and actually don't pay ENOUGH attention to art (music, films, books etc). The question is; what are one's priorities? Is ART the distraction, or is mundane, mediocre "reality" what really distracts us from attempting true passion in life? And even if art IS the distraction, don't we need one from the oppressive boredom of our workaday routines? I quite agree. We do need something besides the static and unliving (computers, frighteningly rhythmical machines. Art is living. people make it so. Meanwhile, machine, behaving like a machine, is like trying to create artificial life. Office work is like trying to make machines out of people: creating static rhythms in our life. Which comes across as fake, fake, fake, subconsciously, and creating stress in our lives. Life is chaos, not static. Music is art made out of time, having no physical, solid counterpart, it is not made up of space in the empirical sense. I think that is the reason why music "subconsciously validates reality". It is innocuous, it is subtle. In some mystic traditions, sound and vibration is actually the basis of all the material of this world, (cf. Sufism, and field theory.)It is the essence of our reality. I'm off like a bee's butt: Cynthia _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com Tue Jun 15 21:25:49 1999 From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:25:49 EDT Subject: Sinister: re: the kids are *not* alright Message-ID: <65210a94.249810cd@aol.com> In a message dated 6/15/99 1:32:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, COURTOLY at aol.com writes: << see a lot more of the reserved hand moves nowadays, so it looks like you're playing one potato-two potato-three potato-four with yourself, or this other wierd fist thing that basically means keeping your feet planted firmly on the ground while you wag the rest of your body and pound your hips with the insides of your wrists. those moves strike me particularly because i remember laughing at them when i first saw them and then later i caught myself doing them >> this is a derivation of the Charlie Brown dance, where the fists are tapped on top of one another, then the thumbs are pointed over the shoulders, and then the hands are waved in a kind of "no, not good" gesture. oh, this description isn't working too well. But you all know what I mean. dave* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kschaffe at xxx.Edu Wed Jun 16 00:16:09 1999 From: kschaffe at xxx.Edu (Schaffenberger, Kristen ) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:16:09 -0500 Subject: Sinister: re: the kids are *not* alright Message-ID: <97C6BB73EB6DD211B2F400A0C9EA0432013341D7@TUCC15.TUCC.Trinity.Edu> herr dave writes: this is a derivation of the Charlie Brown dance, where the fists are tapped on top of one another, then the thumbs are pointed over the shoulders, and then the hands are waved in a kind of "no, not good" gesture. My personal favorite dance from the Peanuts cartoons is Snoopy's. To perform this dance, one must tip one's head back very far, close one's eyes, smile with teeth, spread arms, and just sort of wiggle the top and bottom halves of the body while shifting from foot to foot. If one has a partner, one can join hands with the partner to perform a variation on the Snoopy dance. I do this dance whenever something really good happens or when I am very excited. Sometimes I con my friends into dancing Snoopy style with me, but the dance never seems to last long. BTW, Did anyone else REALLY like the Christmas trees in the Charlie Brown Christmas special? I loved the way they looked when I was a kid, all pink and aluminum and artificial... Yum. Okay, not just when I was a kid. I still think they look pretty cool, at least as I remember them. Simpsons moment? My cousins and I still laugh over the first episode we all watched together, wherein Homer picks up the phone and cries, "Quick, operator! I need the number for 911!!!!" Mark, send me an email, would you? My school account changed servers and, consequently, all my saved messages and addresses were deleted. Boo. My mom, whose taste in reading material tends to run along somewhat prosaic, Oprah's book club type novels, lent me Golden's MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA. I stayed up all night reading it, partially because I'm afraid of the bugs that seem to wander into my apartment these last few days, and I get sort of creeped out when I think about them coming into my little bedroom while I sleep. A harmless (but through the fog of sleep very frightening)little beetle landed on my shoulder around five this morning. Like Dickinson, I heard it buzz near my ear, and I thought I'd die if I didn't shake it off me and scoot it outside with a broom. The point of this little anecdote? Read MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA. Since there are so many people on this list, and since so many of them seem to know about lots and lots of different things, can I ask if anyone knows how to get paint off hardwood floors? If so, will you email me privately and let me know? I've tried a variety of oil-based cleaners, which have helped somewhat. Alas, the painters who did up my place before I moved in last month had absolutely no respect for its hundred year old floors. (If you're a careful reader, you'll wonder why an apartment would be a hundred years old. The truth of the matter is that I live in a house that was BUILT at the turn of the century, but divided into six apartments during the Great Depression. So there, I'm not just making up stories). My god, this is the longest post I've sent to this list in, like, a year. Love to all, Kristen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pulpbot at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 03:51:52 1999 From: Pulpbot at xxx.com (Pulpbot at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:51:52 EDT Subject: Sinister: England Made Me (not really!) Message-ID: <573651af.24986b48@aol.com> Gawd, it's a small mystery why Luke Haines isn't worshipped. I believe it might be related to his less-than-pin up status. Of course, that doesn't explain Thom Yorke. Or because Mr. Haines always seemed a bit too sharp-tongued too suffer the pop hordes. Once I was at a Fall show and discovered myself to be the center of triangle consisting of Luke Haines, Jarvis Cocker and a really cute guy. I handled the situation by promptly dropping my beer on myself. The Baader Meinhof album is sooo underrated. It skirts a fine line at times between mocking gangster-playa pop stars and terrorists as pop stars, with lovely skronking synths. Have a copy of the new Auteurs. Like a return to guitarland with your raver fiancee. Sort of a concept album about school, I think. Brilliant. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pulpbot at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 04:34:48 1999 From: Pulpbot at xxx.com (Pulpbot at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:34:48 EDT Subject: Sinister: first dc b&s picnic - a few thoughts Message-ID: <6f35b88b.24987558@aol.com> Well, I triumphed in croquet, so obviously it was a banner day for me. I quashed my gloating, unsporting urges, somehow. I am an only child, after all, so my actions tend toward the Ptolemaic rather than the Copernican. I'm disappointed that more picnic-goers haven't posted. I had to leave as a boisterous conversation was unfolding about the importance of male nudity in movies, so one assumes the evening ended with the appropriate number of flushed cheeks. Lots of folks were taking pictures. Are they on the Internet? Other than your "drooling pink slutz" sort of pages, naturally. D.C. listees, we must boast about bringing lovely food and being quite nice people. Must go. The gods of sand are blowing in. --Jennifer +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 05:51:37 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:51:37 EDT Subject: Sinister: Oh happy day Message-ID: <39780a36.24988759@aol.com> Dear Sinistereens, I will start with the Belle and Sebastian content and digress downwards. I had a lovely date with Xavier today. We ate lunch together then got ice cream and listened to Tigermilk in the Friendly's parking lot. Oh happy day. >which, if i've been informed correctly is bases on the town springfield, ohio where m. >groenig attended college you must have been informed incorrectly, or maybe just partially. Mr. Groenig is a graduate of the Evergreen State College in Olympia Washington. See, something good comes out of there besides indie rockers and having Mumia Abu-Jamal as a graduation speaker. Oh yes, the guy who plays Kramer on Seinfeld is also alumni. Simpsons trivia is cultural capital for anyone who's watched tv in the past ten years. It's good to know enough about it to hold a conversation, but if you're with obsessives then just ask them a bunch of questions and let them talk. They like showing off their knowledge. >this is a derivation of the Charlie Brown dance, where the fists are tapped on top of >one another, then the thumbs are pointed over the shoulders, and then the hands >are waved in a kind of "no, not good" gesture. Actually it seemed more like variations on the good ol Hand Jive, except repeated as single moves instead of a series. But if it is a Charlie Brown reference, all the more cool to the creators. >BTW, Did anyone else REALLY like the Christmas trees in the Charlie Brown >Christmas special? I loved the way they looked when I was a kid, all pink >and aluminum and artificial... Yum. Okay, not just when I was a kid. I >still think they look pretty cool, at least as I remember them. I'm a pretty big fan of those too. I bet if you took a metalworking course they would be really easy to make. Take care dears, Love Courtney +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From isolation at xxx.net Wed Jun 16 06:16:30 1999 From: isolation at xxx.net (.gibby.) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:16:30 -0400 Subject: Sinister: hello. im new to the list. Message-ID: <001301beb7b7$648b46e0$81288018@oemcomputer.ne.mediaone.net> Hello everyone... my name is gibby. I'm 21 and i live in cambridge, just across the river from boston. oooh. what to say? I love belle and sebastian, but then if I wasn't a fan I wouldn't have taken the time to do all this email stuff would I? I enjoy lots of music, you can also find me on the indie-pop and panic lists, or walking around town with my hands in my pockets, or behind the counter of an espresso bar, where I waste away most of my days and nights serving coffee to the quirky inhabitants of my beloved town. we have many regulars, but there are a few who's names i've learned. sometimes i also remember what they like in their coffee, things like that. my favorite song right now by belle and sebastian is "ease your feet in the sea". it just became my favorite as it got warmer out, because it reminds me of the first time i heard "the boy with the arab strap"... it was around the end of last summer, and it was a hot day... a friend and i drove out to the rockport quaries for a swim. my favorite song in general at the moment is "sugar hiccup" by the cocteau twins... that song scares me to death for some reason, but i love it all the same. it is about a horse named sugar hiccup who died. it reminds me of being very small and sneaking into a tiny abandoned horse-stable in the woods near my house growing up in missouri. it was all ivy-covered and falling apart. and the stables still had the horses names written above them in chipping, faded paint. it terrified me and gave me nightmares for years. this song comes and goes on my favorites, but right now im listening to it a lot again. my favorites have been changing frequently as of late. I've been doing a lot of staying indoors. But tonight i went to the movies alone for the first time in my life. i saw rushmore at the 5 dollar theatre in davis square. i loved it and walked home in the wind with a new sense of self. i like spending time alone, it is something new to me. goodbye for now, and i hope i get to know some of you. <3 gibby. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.EDU Wed Jun 16 06:44:34 1999 From: ynoh at xxx.EDU (Youn Jong Noh) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: slow graffiti, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jun 1999, Robin Stout wrote: > It's a bit disappointing if Slow Graffiti is really so > literal, although it goes to show how lucid Stuart's lyrics are I > suppose. I mean, even though the lyrics aren't; > There's a bloke > With a wife > Who's been having up the bum sex > With the bloke upstairs > You can still understand the desperation of this chap's predicament. > I've been in two minds for a while whether I want to see The Acid > House but I don't think I will. I prefer my own version of events. It > involves dirty skylights and tiled floors and a sailor and is really > quite exciting. I always thought the first 2 stanzas of this song was a reference to the opening of Araby but I reread it and the link isn't as strong as I had thought. Here it is: "The former tenant of our house, a priest, had died in the back drawing-room. Air, musty from having been long enclosed, hung in all the rooms, and the waste room behind the kitchen was littered with old useless papers. Among these I found a few paper-covered books, the pages of which were curled and damp: The Abott, by Walter Scott, The Devout Communicant and The Memoirs of Vidocq [I incorrectly remembered these books as portraits.] ... One evening I went to the back drawing room in which the priest had died. It was a dark rainy evening and there was no sound in the house ... I was thankful that I could see so little. All my senses seemed to desire to veil themselves and, feeling that I was about to slip from them, I pressed the palms of my hands together until they trembled, murmuring: O love! O love! many times." In the margin, I have 'getting away from sensuality', which must have been the interpretation I was given, either by my high school english teacher or a self-consciously eccentric professor at Stanford. Even if the song was written for a book or film, Stuart must have had his own experience, real or imagined, or other references to write from. But I like the specific things he mentions, and actually my mistaken original interpretation of a mother caring for a child could be a deliberate ambiguity, and he could be open to rude sailors as well. (What does Robin mean by dirty skylights? What do they stand for?) I wonder what Stuart's laughter sounds like. If he read Robin's LLPJ story, would he laugh? Why are all nice boys made to be mothers? Do they force it on themselves or do others take advantage of them? Why can't nice boys break away or satisfy the girls they are with? Why can't Sebastian be a star and decide not to wait for Belle? Is Lord Anthony a song about Sebastian Flyte in Brideshead Revisited? (He was played by Anthony Andrews, whom I believe is titled, and unfortunately I watched it on television before reading the book, so all the visual images dominate.) There's a scene in which he and the main character, whose name I forget but who was played by Jeremy Irons, are sunbathing on the roof and they're undressed and the shot is from the back and for me this was always stuck with the line "and the sun shines out of our behinds" in Hand in Glove, but I don't know the order of the two, i.e. if it's even a possibility that Morrissey was writing about the same thing (though highly unlikely). Ailsa asked for a tape of "Reel Around the Fountain". So it was real! I don't know if the lyrics are right for Lord Anthony as Sebastian Flyte because Anthony must be noble only in manner. If I were a boy, I would feel especially keen to ask Stuart about it. (What a compliment for a girl to be thought a boy. Jaarko (sp?), Tim and Let It Be, I think, are the best Replacements albums ... there's a song "Androgynous" on Let It Be that is great, plus other songs appropriate for young male bands ... their later albums tend to be mellower but they're great, too. The way in which the Replacements is good and Belle and Sebastian is good, I think, is the crucial difference between American and British culture. (O when ~(my beloved) introduced himself on the first day of class in a manner that I now recognize from some of your posts, what the jocks in the back row found appropriate to call out! The misunderstanding! But there is American beauty, too ... elsewhere.)) Forgive me for this digression: What is the meaning, other than being rushed, of addressing a person in a post? I've decided that it's a better policy to refer to people by name 'cos when other people do it, it sounds nice (they do it so casually), and though I like to remain anonymous, it's nice to read people singled out. (The Replacements song "Here Comes a Regular" is not just another version of the Cheers theme.) There's also the fun of being permitted to overhear a conversation or if you don't have enough to go on to address a person individually ... I am glad Courtney has had a happy day. Joseph, after watching The Dreamlife of Angels, I can tell you that the way the French say cool is cool, even for New Yorkers. (Joseph, do your friends say the Velvet Underground is cool? they should, right? it's simpleminded of me to compare a single chord to a simple chord progression, isn't it? some kinds of irony are beyond me.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 07:09:26 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:09:26 PDT Subject: Sinister: Youre chosen as an extra for a movieadaptation of your life Message-ID: <19990616060926.15741.qmail@hotmail.com> To start things off, lets start by remembering what my very own reporter from the other side of the Atlantic, Kimmmmmmmberly said: >i like the simpons, i think it's a very smart critique of >society. but i'm not obsessed with it, and come to think of it, i don't >know any females who are obsessed with it. is it a gender thing? Yes, definetely. Sitting in the park, saying Homerisms is definetely a guy-thing. Maybe because we can identify ourselves better with him. Which, come to think of it, is pretty sad. And then she continued: >if any object could talk to you what >would you want it to be? YES, I love these "if you could be invisible for one day, what would you do?"- type of things. Me, I'd like to be wall. Wouldn't it be great, just stand there, no-one pushing you around, watching people walk past you, checking them out and, if you're lucky and happen to be a part of a building in which Marisa Tomei lives, you could fall on her. You know. Smut. Haha. And to continue this theme, I'd like to ask people: What has been the best "Man, I'm living in a movie and this is so cool"- moment. You want me to start? Well ok. About 8 months ago I went to escort my girlfriend (no, not anymore) to the trainstation. Well, we were just standing there, we had 4 minutes untill her train was about to leave. We smoked a cigarette and it started to rain. But we, we just stood there, not saying a thing and waited 'till the guy in the silly hat yelled "The train will leave in one minute!". After that we kissed for 42 seconds, holding hands, eyes closed, getting wet. And then she hopped to the train and I turned my back on her and walked away. So movielike. So... something. Just turned my guts inside out and I had this funny feeling that soon the director would yell "CUT!" and we'd all take a break and start working on the next scene. Which didn't happen, thank god. One of the best moments in my life. Ok, your turn. And this has nothing to do with anything I said before, but (krhm....): My own theory why som people write here so often: 1) They have too much time on their hands (well, pretty obvious, that one). 2) They need a place where they can get their voices heard, since no-one listens to them when they try to explain the small things in life to a person who they've never met before. I mean, theres 1000 people here who'll probably never meet each other (well some will or have already, but thats not the point), and we listen to each other (and sometimes comment on things we read in here). Well, try to explain to a perfect stranger in a bus about how you fail to impress women when you're too drunk and they'll just stare at you and, in worst cases, call the police. Hey, here I can do all that and more! And no-one gives you the bad eye. I hope. 3) They do it for sexual pleasure (I'm NOT wanking as I'm writing this, but who knows what turns people on? Me, I have a fetish for bare feet and short, clever females who have these big bambi-eyes, but thats another story). 4) They're just fucking bored. Excuse me, I'm going to the bathroom now. @--->--- a rose, love and other stuff that makes you feel funny in your tummy, Jace le petit, not in any relation to Emmanuelle Petit, that ace Arsenal midfielder. ps: Maria, half past five today, ok? =) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah_drayton at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 09:01:33 1999 From: sarah_drayton at xxx.com (Sarah Drayton) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:01:33 PDT Subject: Sinister: "Och, but the PTA will tear you a new arse!" Message-ID: <19990616080134.61790.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello Sinisterines I like this simpsons thread that's happening at the moment, very amusing! The Simpsons is one of my favourite T.V programs...especially the last few series. My favourite episode of all time, however, is the one where Marge and Homer get bored of their sex life and resort to shagging in new and unusual places(like the windmill at the mini golf course.) Classic! There are so many other great episodes out there but I can't possibly name any other favourites(do I hear a collective sigh of relief from non-Simpsons fans out there?) Kimberley: I don't think that quoting the Simpsons is an exclusively male thing. I know that several of my female friends(and myself) love to watch it and quote stupid lines from it every now and then. Ditto South Park but that really isn't in the same ball park as the Simpsons, is it?! B+S related part; I am really annoyed with my local independant music retailer!! I ordered a copy of IYFS a month and a half ago and they still haven't come up with the goods. The record shop claims that the U.S. distributor they're ordering it from is out of stock yet if they bothered to order it direct from Jeepster(or if I got off my lazy arse and did it myself!) I would have it now. Boo! sorry to whinge, everyone. "Mmmm, he likes peanuts" Homer S. :) Sarah ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 08:08:18 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:08:18 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <19990616110818.HM.00000000001CK5y@mixmail.com> Hi, little flies: I guess that yesterday I found out why Sweden won the last Eurovision song contest. A local magazine organized a party with Club 8 and Girlfrendo, and don�t be surprised if in a few days they change their national anthem for an Abba tune. There is some guy in this list who thought about kidnapping Sarah Cracknell,and maybe Club 8 were feeling the same danger, because they played sooooooooo softly just in order to domesticate more than one hundred men who were thinking about kidnapping their l ovely blonde singer. And Girlfrendo are the dreamed band for any guy who wants to organ ise a birthday party. Blake wrote: >>my question, does anyone out there like elvis costello? the more i hear of >>him the more i like, it's a bit addicting, like those first listens to any >>who album. so is there 'an' essential elvis album i should buy? somebody >>tell me, now, yes, while i still don't have wrinkles everywhere. The first gig that I attended after the Bowlie was Mr. Declan Aloisius McManus playing in a theatre in Barcelona. And It was one of the best gigs I�ve ever seen. I only have two Costello al bums, this last one with Burt Bacharach, which is a master piece, and "Extreme honey", a great compilation of his latest recordings. Both are great. Some B&S content: according to what Nick Dastoor or anybody else said, mr. Murdoch doesn�t want the demo tapes to be released. honestly, he�s smart, because neither of the three songs ("London has....", "Pocketbook" and "Hurley") are good enough. On the other hand, I think that "Lord Anthony" is too much song just to be wasted for a b-side. Finally, in Spain are re-running "The Simpsons" time & again. And they�re ace every time I watch them. Some time ago I thought about the possible plot of an episode with B&S in them: Lisa convinces the mayor to put B&S as main act of the local parties, avoiding a performance of Homer, Barney, the local sheriff, and Selma & Patty singing Steps songs. And she plays the saxophone with them. I�d l ove to see what drawing Matt Groening makes from Isobel. Bye, little flies ===================================== ============= Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Wed Jun 16 10:57:34 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:57:34 +0200 Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place Message-ID: <01beb7de$a93fb560$LocalHost@itjfvkli> My favourite episode of "Rising Damp" is the one where Rigsby, following Philip's advice, burns some love wood to woo Miss Jones, and the wood turns out to be a piece of his own wardrobe. As luck would have it, I've got it on video, so I'll use it to test out this "how many times can you watch something before getting bored" business that has sparked such lively debate. You're all very slow on the uptake. Why, only last week I mentioned an obscure reggae performer in the hope that Hopkins would take the bait. Perhaps he was ill. Let's try it again: Everton Blender. Having recently regained my Rough Guide to Reggae I have lots of questions for Tim. For instance, what do you think of Joe Higgs's Life of Contradictions (with six extra tracks but crap packaging), or Scotty's Unbelievable Sounds or some Lee Perry compilation called Dry Acid or something (both on Trojan)? Thanks for all the Bill Evans talk. The one I've got is a nice Verve reissue with a little booklet too, which includes notes from the inventor of the Fender Rhodes piano, Han Solo. Michael, have your extra tracks got some bird counting at the beginning of them? Mine have. Speaking of Verve reissues, I can't recommend Marcos Valle's Samba 68 highly enough. No extra tracks, but his wife sings all the time. I hate Black Box Recorder despite never having heard them. Yesterday I went to our local airport to see the Rolling Stones land. They had a whopping great 757, presumably due to the size of their monster riffs, and it was all very exciting, especially when they all got off the plane. It might just as well have been the Beatles from where I was standing, they were miles away. I think I saw Ronnie Wood, but it might have been Worzel Gummidge. Have you seen that footage of The WHO getting off a plane in Sweden? Well, it was nothing like that. They didn't even go through customs, they were whisked off in a posh car, while their loyal staff had to go by bus. What a shame. I was under strict orders from 'er indoors to tell them that we had the Rock'n'Roll Circus video, but we prefer The WHO. Except for the last song. Speaking of The WHO, I was sent this yesterday: Fancy a holiday ? Friday 2nd July - The British Rock Symphony Roger Daltrey & Friends perform the music of the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The WHO, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. Over 2 hours of the greatest rock masterpieces ever. Powderham Castle near Exeter. It sure beats All Tomorrow's Parties. I wonder who Roger's friends are? I wonder if Piezoleptic Unit will be in attendance? I think Adrian Evans will be there, he sent it to me. Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 10:58:34 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:58:34 PDT Subject: Sinister: a question. Message-ID: <19990616095834.94312.qmail@hotmail.com> Is it strange if you're 22 years old and you're ready (no, not ready, actually HOPING) to get married with a person you haven't even found yet, have 2 and a � kids with her, buy a house and pay for it for the rest of your life? Just wondering. @--->--- hope love, Jace le petit. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lohammer at xxx.no Wed Jun 16 12:20:20 1999 From: lohammer at xxx.no (Erlend Hammer) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:20:20 +0200 Subject: Sinister: I want you in my room (or something) Message-ID: <199906161121.NAA27448@online.no> Hello everyone, First of all, if anyone's written me about that NME CD, and not received a reply, that is because my computer suffered a slight crash and many an unread e-mail was lost "out there somewhere". But no one needs to re-send anything as the matter is already sorted. Second, I seem to be meeting a lot of Isobel clones these days. On Monday I had to sit through There's Something About Mary when visiting a friend who talked me into going with him to visit his cousin, who looked very much like Ms. Campbel. And a few weeks ago, when I was doing a nice 10 hour exam, a girl who looked just like that picture inside of the cover of The Boy With The Arab Strap sat just a few rows in front of me and, needless to say, it was highly distracting. This girl I later saw on the local Bergen piazza (of which Marianne gave such a vivid description) and she was being bothered by a drunk old man and I wondered if I should go up and tell the man to leave her alone. I mean, is this something that would be considered chivalrous or just rude "he's just acting like a gentleman because he wants to pull"? Anyway, just returned from being called a bastard by several 13 year old girls. I would not let them listen to a Vengaboys single more than once. Boom boom boom. For those who care, Jason Pierce has sacked his band in a Mark E Smith stylee. There was a massive row and Jason gave Sean Cook a royal beating. Okay not really, 'twas via a letter. But still, the Spiritualized that were seen and loved on the last tour is no more. Bugger. Erlend From peter.ramsdale at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 11:16:15 1999 From: peter.ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:16:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: a little bit from Column A, a little bit from Column B References: <4.1.19990615130513.009c1a30@delafont.com> Message-ID: <3767796F.B910D02B@wdr.com> Again, this is very eeenteresting, meeshter Bond. The "how you feel when you listen to music" strand, at least. The Simpsons stuff is doing my head in. Anyhoo, my take on the whole thing is that music (well, *good* music, at least) should be something that you get totally immersed in; like nothing else counts except for the particular series of air compressions that you are listening to at that time. And, quite importantly, the people and places that it makes you think of. The best way I can describe my own feelings on listening to stuff that I consider to be special (and this is where the rest of you probably start to feel that I've gone mad again) is that it's definitely comparable to the feeling you get when you wake up in the morning, raise your head from the pillow, and realise that you're lying next to someone that you unreservedly love. It's that same "It-just-doesn't-get-any-better-than-this", butterflies-in-stomach feeling. Or it is for me, anyway. I'm not too sure about all this subconscious validation or transcending of reality mullarkey, but there again they both contain words of more than one syllable, so it's not surprising really. Come to think of it, syllable has more than one syllable. Oh, bugger. Hope this made a small amount of sense, Hasta banana, lol p xx. -- -----------------------------*||*-------------------------------- "Reality never seems to work out quite the way you want it to..." Pete Ramsdale - peter.ramsdale at wdr.com Phone: 0171 568 3836 -----------------------------*||*-------------------------------- This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. 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WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From duski at xxx.au Wed Jun 16 13:02:08 1999 From: duski at xxx.au (Duski) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:32:08 +0930 Subject: Sinister: the are no lady goats, a lady goat is a sheep References: <199906151902.NAA06333@turtle.esosoft.net> Message-ID: <37679240.D1FA1936@chariot.net.au> Greetings, Hi, my name is Corinna Dusk and I have just joined this list. Duh. I am from South Australia ... if there is anyone out there from this part of the world, don't hesitate to mail me. For about 8 months I thought I was the only Belle and Sebastian fan in my entire state, until I heard a few TBWTAS tracks at a local "indie" club, which freaked me. Fans have since started to crawl out of the woodwork. Yay! Erm ... I have had a lot of fun reading all your posts in the last couple of weeks. I was tempted just to lurk, but I really wanted to find out if any of you would say hello to me. Unfortunately, I am not in the least bit twee - am I rather prone to sparkles and loud silly things. My current attire: mauve fluffy cardy, B&S tee, and knee length blue paisley skirt. Hrm...that's a little twee. But the twee-est I get, honest. Is twee-est a word? I have a short and sweet community radio program, in which I've been indulging myself by shamelessly plugging B&S as much as possible. My co-host was momentarily pissed off, but last week she asked me if she could tape some off me! Tomorrow nite I am going to see The Judas Kiss, a play about Oscar Wilde. The boy playing Bosie is absolutely beautiful. I think that all I had to say. Wait - * I am a girl, and I love the Simpsons. So there. But as far as cartoons go, I prefer Aeon Flux and Batman. Mmm...Harley Quinn. * Someone mentioned Jean Seberg! Breathless! I love you! My favourite line from the film - "I want to become immortal, then die." * Arantxa - your posh party sounds absolutely lovely. The end. Corinna Dusk "Embiggins is a perfectly cromulent word." - The Simpsons +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cchaffin at xxx.org Wed Jun 16 14:26:16 1999 From: cchaffin at xxx.org (Christa Chaffinch) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:26:16 -0400 Subject: Sinister: if harsh, chain! Message-ID: I am rising to the occasion, and at the behest of Jennifer, I will post about the DC picnic and how much fun we had! it was really great. everyone was so nice and friendly. and the setting could not have been better- the creek in the background, the green leafy boughs...ahh. and i have to tell you, it was a feast!! lollipops, olives, cherries, pita/humus, baguettes, sour peaches (yum!) and salad that we got to eat with our fingers. :) lots of alcohol, of course, and the conversation couldn't be beat. watching the croquet game (and getting to play for 2 rounds) was a nice highlight for me. as was Sam's hilarious comment: "christa, are you going to get tanked tonight?" i didn't, but i did get to pee in the woods, something i haven't done in about 4 years, and it was fantastic! my photos should be around shortly, i'll send them to honey (none of the bathroom break in the woods though, sorry). about the simpsons thread- i love it!! and i have to tell you that it is absolutely NOT a guy phenomenon. it is my favorite show and i think i am one of those people who quotes lines from it too much. i can't help it though, its just so witty and smart. oh, how i adore it..... i think my favorite line (that's like trying to pick your favorite child) is in the film festival episode when Hans Moleman says "I was saying Boo-urns!" i hope some of you know what i'm referring to. i had a dream last night that i rented out this huge old plantation house and we had a sinister party there. catered food, and more croquet and parlor games- and we were all dressed in Great Gatsby-era clothing. you know i would be totally up for that. :) "There will be hunting, charades, and ever so many delightful romantic misunderstandings" -christa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TNewth at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 14:50:38 1999 From: TNewth at xxx.com (Newth, Tom) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:50:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Over-sized dildoes and clitoris rings, these are a few of my favo rite things Message-ID: <0743C08C3772D211B8B50008C7A4F3B60188D0A3@PON-03> Please, please I beg of you, no more Simpsons. I love The Simpsons as much as the next person. Maybe even more (though I too get tired of certain episodes after a while - only last night I had to fast forward through Santa's Little Helper's Operation in favour of Miss Krabapple's Lonely Heart) but surely there's a site out there that can accommodate everyone's "My favorite bit/episode/character/line etc etc"?? And how much fun must that be, eh? Please don't react angrily to me: it has been amusing to read everyone's faves, but there's a time and a place isn't there? That said, the best episode is the John Waters one ("We work hard, we play hard". And my computer plays "I am evil Homer.." every time I get new mail from one of you lovely sinisterines much to the "amusement" of my work colleagues. Oh, and in relation to the Kimberly-initiated thread about men, my ladyfriend obsesses about them just as much as I do (and does a better impression of Mr Burns). It's maybe because she says I am like Homer. Actually, that's what my mum says about my dad too. That said, I do sympathise indirectly - most obsessions about this sort of thing tend to be harboured by men. Apparently it's because we're all semi-autistic (there was a programme on BBC 2 about it). And this is why B&S are so great - there's no easy way to explain it, but it really does seem that the amount of girls who obsess over B&S nearly approaches the amount of boys (although at Tigermilking there did seem to be a 3 to 1 ratio of boys to girls..) If anyone has a theory, I'd be interested to know. All I know is that somehow it feels like a healthy obsession, presumably for the same reason, and not one that has to hide behind closed doors (unlike, say, certain individuals' obsession for Royal Trux.) (Oh OK, my obsession). While I'm on this subject, I too have found myself tiring of B&S sometimes, when I've listened to them too much. But this happens with so many things, even Royal Trux. I reckon it's like rechargeable batteries - put them away for a little while and when you get them out again, the listenability will be topped up to normal again (or abnormal, depending on how you want it). Except unlike rechargeable batteries the piles or whatever they are don't get worn down every time you put them in them. There's a pun in there somewhere but I'm not even going to try... Anyhoo, point is, I have a really boring walk to and from the tube and stepping out of the house of a morning and walking up the hill with The State I'm In/Track & Field/The first one off TBWTAS that I can never remember the name of... will always put a spring in my step. I do find their capacity for bringing joy to the heart just remarkable - they're one of those rare bands whom I cannot imagine why anyone with any sense/taste/sensitivity wouldn't at least like if not fall in love with (unlike Royal Trux, sadly). And that happens all too rarely. In fact, despite finding a handful of bands indispensable to my travelling tape collection when going away, and a good many others too hard live without, I cannot think of another band about whom I think there's no reason for anyone not to like them. But it's normally a good test if Mum's like them. (though my mum also quite likes Alan Parsons Project which was a fad round our house a few years back. Quite a few.) On another thread, it's nice to have seen jolly old Jean-Luc Godard raising his ever-so-clever head on the list; for all the Satie fans out there, certain of his pieces pop up in a Godard film but I can't remember which one. So you 'll have to watch them all to find out (I wish you luck retaining your sanity). Oh, it's not One Plus One, though I definitely recommend that. Keith's never looked so cool. (there you go - two threads in one. Nearly.) And it's not King Lear either. Anyone who does want to watch the whole Godard oeuvre would be advised to do themselves a favour and skip this one. It's not worth it, even for a laugh (it's the one Quentin Tarantino said he'd been in figuring no-one would have seen it. He was probably right, and surprisingly for one who is so consistently wrong and such a prize twat, on this occasion he was more or less right). I thought it would be amusing, I thought it would be a good boast, but no. I mention it here only for humanitarian reasons. You have been warned. The only excuse is for Woody Allen completists. Or Molly Ringwald obsessives. And I know there's some of you out there. Nice also to know someone else (Arantxa) remember's Winona Ryder's citing the Replacements as her favourite band (this would be about ten years ago). Apparently she followed them around everywhere (isn't that called stalking?). In the same breath she also said Tom Waits was her favourite and so I went out and listened to Tom Waits. So much did I fall in love with his brand of bitter sweet adult lounge music that I never got round to listening to the Replacements. Did I miss out? Incidently, this was the same article (in Sky) as she mentioned she never went anywhere without a copy of Catcher In The Rye. Good name checking, I say. Mind you, the guy who shot John Lennon, whatever his name was, never went anywhere without a copy of Catcher In The Rye either. Go figure. I wanted to put more Belle & Sebastian content in but I fear this is probably long enough as it is. Sorry. I love you all spoon xx PS Funny no-one's mentioned that B&S are going to be cartoonised and feature in the next series, with their own rendition of the theme tune. (apart from Jordi). Matt Groenig knows my uncle and told him. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From zoe.parsons at xxx.uk Wed Jun 16 15:02:01 1999 From: zoe.parsons at xxx.uk (janetzx) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:02:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: boxers or y-fronts? Message-ID: <001801beb800$ce8228e0$52b501a3@stu082.sjc.ox.ac.uk> Duski asked whether twee-est was a word. oh indeedy, i think so. but no hyphons: tweeest, please. i thought Tom's subject was "over-sized dildoes and clinton rings" which made me laugh. i ate a jar of pesto last night, with sesame ryvita (which comes a lovely yellow package) now my synapses are green and oleaginous. hence random shit message. Q: what's green and eats nuts? A: Syphilis. love janet +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sleeka_sounds at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 16:11:23 1999 From: sleeka_sounds at xxx.com (Sleeka Sounds) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:11:23 PDT Subject: Sinister: I saw 15 seals last week Message-ID: <19990616151123.74006.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear List, Please don't read this, if you don't like smuty and sweary content, or if you're Stephen Pastel. OK? Fine. Stephen Pastel has a new club in Glasgow called "salute", as in "I salute you, sir". But what does that wee thug actually know about saluting? Has he ever been in the army? No. But he was in The Army of Christ (well he thought he was). Read on, my daring chums...... The Army Of Christ ================== One Day Stephen Pastel grew weary of his evil ways. The stench of drink, fags, whores, lovely heroin and cockfighting sickened him. His withered frame was that of a malnourished 10 year old, not a 50 year man. "SHITE!", he said " would you look at the FUCKING STATE of me. I'm gonna join the FUCKING Army of Christ!". There was a poof of smoke, and a wee fox appeared. "Oh Swephen", said the fox, "I'm swo swo gwad you have decided to tuwn away from this tewiblle wife you wead. I will intwoduce you to the Awmy of Chwist, as I wove the wittle baby jesus! Fowwow me!!" The little fox led Stephen Pastel to his woodland clearing. "This is FUCKING LOVELY, ya wee BASTARD", shouted Stephen ecstatically. The fox stopped in his tracks. "Swephen, if you weally weally want to join the Awmy of Chwist, you'll weally have to twy and stop sweawing!". "Aye, ok, sorry an that", Stephen gulped, "I'll try". He held his breath for a minute. Beads of sweat formed on his forehead, and his buttocks clenched. He turned a funny purple, like Jim Robinson in Neighbours before he died, and started shaking violently until he couldn't hold it in any longer. "BASTARD! I CANNAE FUCKING DO IT!!!". "Don't wowwy Swephen, I have just the wight wemedy for you", the fox said while reaching deep down into his trousers pocket. Much to Stephen's surprise the little fox whipped out his chap, and proceeded to do a wee-wee on Stephen's leg, "YA FUCKER!!!", shouted the irate Pop Pastel. The fox lent back and redirected his potent streamy towards Stephens head. "Aye, ok, ok, stop pishing on me. I'm not swearing any more!". "And I'm not weally in the Awmy of Chwist", laughed the silly fox as he skipped away, happy with his days work. "Tomowwow", he sang, "I'm going to wee wee alllllll over that fellow from My Gad Dad". Yours, Chrys Lynyrd =================================== Visit the Sleeka Sounds Corporation http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~calnd/sleeka/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Wed Jun 16 16:35:54 1999 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:35:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Nose Explosion! (and WHO) Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB6901ACBE@PARK_EX> Christa said: >i had a dream last night that i rented out this huge old plantation house >and we had a sinister party there. I had a dream about a sinister party last night too! Tim Hopkins was there and Trousers and Nick Dastoor and Mark Casarotto too I think and we had sleeping bags laid out in a room and I was worried that there wasn't going to be enough room for everyone cos there were lots of other people who I didn't recognise (it could be you). Typing this has also broken another dream about going to Liverpool to join a strange religious cult thing. Sister Disco said: >Speaking of The WHO, I was sent this yesterday: >Fancy a holiday ? >Friday 2nd July - The British Rock Symphony Roger Daltrey & Friends >perform the music of the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The WHO, Led >Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. Over 2 hours of the greatest rock >masterpieces >ever. >Powderham Castle near Exeter. >It sure beats All Tomorrow's Parties. I wonder who Roger's friends >are? I know WHO Roger's friends are. There was an advert for this extravanganza in The Sunday Times and PAUL YOUNG is definately appearing (and he has a funny beard on the picture). There were also several other v.v.v. dodgy performers, WHO slip my mind at the mo, but I'll have a good look at the advert tonight. On the subject of trying to rile Tim Hopkins into posting more: THE BEE GEES ARE GREAT (ESPECIALLY THEIR LOVELY VOICES (AND TEETH)) WHOever it was WHO was asking about working in records stores, I've noticed that the large chain stores seem to be more interested in whether you've got an in-depth knowledge of working tills and stacking shelves than any musical background or knowledge at all. You'd think training people who know about music to use a till would be easier than training someone who can work a till about music, but that's multinational capitalism for you. I've also got horrible nasty hay fever at the moment, hence the subject line. I used to get a really wheezy chest from it until I started smoking (I think it's deadened the sensitive bits)(missus), now it's just nose and eyes. And when I sneeze I sneeze at least seven times in a row, oh well at least I'm not doing exams any more (and my heart felt sympathies to any sufferers out there who are). At least it's an excuse to take lots of drugs. Speaking of which I saw 'Human Traffic' last week and it's ACE! I'm not a regular dance-y kindof person and I've never taken E, but I still found it very funny and could still identify with the characters and the situations. Basically if you've taken drugs or even just watched other people take drugs, or just got revved up about going out, you should, IMHO, see it. Magpie Jay, Senor Droolcup and myself have been discussing setting up a webring for all your little Sinister Websites. I think it would work quite well, any suggestions, advice, anyone out there actually done it before? xoxo CarsmileSteve +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Wed Jun 16 16:37:53 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:37:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 94, is it a magic number? Message-ID: <80256792.0055E087.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> The lovely Arantxa wrote: >There was a >widespread concern about the short supply of smut lately, no doubt Nick >relies on himself as the one to sort out our worries.My God.I am happy my >mum cannot understand English in case she ever reads these things.Ewan is >not going to be demanded again for a frontal one if Hollywood hears of >Nick. No, because Ewan MacGregor has a huge cock and I don't. Hollywood, however, has already heard of me, as I never tire of telling people. Luckily, I was only thirteen at the time and so had an excuse for not having a huge cock. And Mr Spielberg didn't ask me to show it to him anyway. But if he had, what a story it might have been! If you look for me on imdb.com you'll find my surname had only one 'o' then. I have a policy of adding one letter to my name every few years. My the time I die I hope to be called Nichodopoloposis Dastooredopevic. Anyway, I'm sick of smut. I am setting up a 'smut box' into which I shall toss a coin every time I catch myself getting jiggy. Chat room activity is excepted because I find it's the only way to get through to people in there. >I wonder how they make the Guardian every day...maybe they have gnome helpers as Santa. No, but we do rely on a huge army of immigrant sweatshop workers, or 'Oompah-Lumpah' as the management like to call them to throw the meddling right-wing press off the scent of a scandal. Thank God for the Oompah-Lumpah I say! If it weren't for them there wouldn't be enough hours in the day for me to complete the Great Stoke Newington Novel that I am writing on company time. It's like a cross between the Great American Novel and a Hampstead Novel, but without the epoch-defining scope of the former or the good schools of the latter. I got sick of listening to 'The Gate' before I even bought it. Please *God* don't let this start off an endless thread about Belle and Sebastian. Oh - ~ Nick xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 16:54:50 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:54:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Calling All Rude Boys and Girls Message-ID: Dear sinister, uh. I'm all ska-ed out. There is a limit to how much ska one girl can take. but it was worth listening to a whole tape of it, with the promise of a ska version of the James Bond theme in there somewhere. or was it? I feel a bit like the man from High Fidelty who has bags of tapes so big he turns down invites to the pub, because he's got so many tapes to get through. So I learn Jace le petit would like to become a wall. A wall? for heavens sake man use your imagination. You could prentend you were a wall sitting down on a bench quite easily, couldn't you? you'd get to watch people walk past. I watch people walking past from the same cafe in Hertford most days, I always sit in the window with a nasty coffee (they don't make nice coffee because it's not a nice cafe) and scowl at townies. If any object could talk to me, I would like it to be a plastic braziliphant, because they look like they know how to have a good time. I've finished my exams you know. They're all gone. I have a whole summer ahead of me and no plans except the probabilty of being dragged off somewhere remote and dusty with the ma and pa. Why can't I live in Happy Days? I mean the actual series. I want to live with the cunninghams. It was never boring there. So what did you do in the holidays, when you were younger? I need ideas. I have a small list, but it consists mostly of books I Really Should Read. I thought I might go and see Top of the Pops one week, (note international readers, this is a british pop music telly programme) you know, live, and look really silly when the camera looks in my direction. Erica X (you know, the pouting S!T!A!R) ahem! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 17:33:01 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:33:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: P.s (calling all ruder boys and girls) Message-ID: P.S Elvis Costello has been mentioned. I am a slave to Elvis Costello, in that I have to listen to his music at times, without choice. Blake, you have to hear Girl's Talk (it's a b-side, but i'm sure you'll find a way. My favorite album is Brutal Youth, the elvis c comeback with the attractions, but I don't know Very Much about the many albums costello has done. Erica x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Wed Jun 16 17:47:12 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:47:12 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Godard, Seberg, BBR Message-ID: Greetings, fair ones- First off, to all you poor, ignorant people who are sniping at Black Box Recorder (sometimes without ever even hearing them, and always without understanding them) I say: I would give you a severe spanking if it weren't for the fact that you would probably enjoy it, and in fact your anti-BBR effusions were probably just a ploy to receive said paddling. The more YOU hate them, the more WE love them. This is to Tom Newth in particular and everyone in general: I am also SO glad to see the infernally iconoclastic Jean-Luc Godard is being resurrected on the list (although I can't stand the thought of the far inferior Quentin being mentioned in the same breath). My fave Godards in order: 1. My Life to Live 2. Contempt 3. Masculin/Feminin (for some reason, this strikes me as the most B&S-like, don't ask why just see the movie) 4. Pierrot Le Fou 5. Alphaville 6. Breathless 8. Two or Three Things I Know About Her ...and I believe those are the ones I've seen. Please, everybody, write in with YOUR favorites (and I'm only half joking about that). I am currently working on a book about underappreciated '60s actresses, including Anna Karina (in most of the films above, married to Godard at the time), Liv Ullman, Bibi Andersson, Gena Rowlands, AND Jean Seberg. There is a movie called "From the Journals of Jean Seberg" available on video, it's quite interesting even for non-Godard/Seberg fans. It's a feminist take on Seberg's bumpy career, with Seberg played by Mary Beth Hurt. It features Hurt as Seberg after her death, looking back with wise hindsight at all her ups and downs and how terribly unfair the world was to her. Highly recommended. Au Revoir- Two or Three Things I Know About Chris +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 18:01:03 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:01:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 11 Roddington Place Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E226E73F2@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Nck Dstr wrote (when he wasn't talking about his chopper): Hollywood, however, has already heard of me, as I never tire of telling people. Luckily, I was only thirteen at the time and so had an excuse for not having a huge cock. And Mr Spielberg didn't ask me to show it to him anyway. But if he had, what a story it might have been! If you look for me on imdb.com you'll find my surname had only one 'o' then. I have a policy of adding one letter to my name every few years. Nick (who I don't need to sexually harass these days - check the archives - as everyone else seems to do it for me), that was perhaps the best self-promotion of the year so far, mentioning your halcyon days working with Mr Spielberg (Stevie to you, natch). And yes, I did go and look you up, "Paul" - do you realise some poor sweaty fucker had to data-entry you, right up to

Nicholas Dastor

? Still it's pretty cool. Anyone fancying beating that? Mad Dog Murdoch is pretty clued up about his own songs, I reckon - and though I don't want any of his stuff to remain wilfully obscure, if he ever *did* release "London has let me down again" or its demo chums, there'd be sighing posts a la "The Gate" moaning about how precious record space was used up with substandard material. And it is. But then "A Summer Wasting" made its way onto Thrustybratwurst, after all... It's sad that we won't see piccies of Christa's woodland ablutions on the internet. There's an alarmingly lurid photo of me in existence relieving myself (matron) out of a first floor window thanks to the size of the queue for the loo at a party (possibly CarsmileSteve's dream do - I don't get invited to ones in real life). Unlike Nick, however, I am so well endowed that in the photo one end of my member is crystal clear while the other is way out of focus... And by the way, Mr Spoon, I think you'll find that there were tons of girls at Tigermilky! But maybe you're right - perhaps we should do like the really classy clubs (ahem) and let the laydeez in free of charge next time...Nah, don't think so. Think of the riff-raff we'd have to put up with... Pointlessness quotient = 80%. Just the way I like it. Mark xxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Wed Jun 16 18:45:08 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:45:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: White Horses/10 Roddington Place/B&S Content & everything. And not much moaning. Message-ID: <3767E2A4.90C51CDB@student.paisley.ac.uk> No original thoughts of my own, so just musings on other people's threads. White Horses: The Trash Can Sinatras covered it. B-side of Only Tingue Can Tell. Rather good. When I went to type "Sinatras" there, I typed Sinister by mistake. I just did it again trying to explain. You have finally taken over my mind. But it probably didn't take much doing. Simpsons: Why has no-one mentioned the Simpsons episode that has Sideshow Bob's brother Cecil voiced by David Hyde Pierce and is written in the style of an episode of Frasier in places? That one was rather good. First two verses of Slow Graffiti: I thought it was about The Picture of Dorian Gray. Me being all arsey about Celine Dion: Adam said: > Erm, perhaps not...Alisa, you might have me a mite confused, or maybe a > littlebit wrong, but perhaps not. i've not got a lot of time for the "4 > real" personages either, perhaps i'm a litle intolerant, or then maybe, and > this is the POINT> what do people buy those 'records' for? its not as if > they'll ever be off commercial radio, and i doubt that theres a dukebox in > the land [esp. the one in Yeovil College...we tried to get Jon spencer on > there; we did not suceed, Car%$%*££!!!! 3 times in 1/2 an hour, ow.], > without it. I don't see why if you like Celine Dion you should have to just sit about and wait for the records to come on the radio/jukebox. They probably buy them because they like them and want to listen to them, same as everyone here buys stuff they like because we want to listen to that. I own two Robbie Williams albums, it's not like his singles are ever off the radio :) There may well be a Celine Dion list somewhere with an argument going on about why people bother buying Belle and Sebastian records because Celine Dion fans can't understand what people see in them. Each to their own, eh? Which means anyone wanting to slag me off for liking Robbie Williams can be prepared for a mighty long mail justifying my right to listen to whatever I want regardless of what anyone else thinks. And you *really* don't want to get into that... Tim Hopkins baiting: Sergeant Pepper is the greatest album ever in the entire history of the world. Vic Godard is over-rated. Middle class white boys can't really understand the point of reggae. I might not necessarily agree with any of the above. Chris Leonard's Jackanory spot: It's back! Hurrah! Now who stole the poetry parrot? Winona Ryder/The Replacements: Winona Ryder specifically requested that the school in Heathers be called Westerberg High after Paul of that ilk, head Replacement honcho. There's another Replacements reference (a lyric quote) in Heathers too, but I can't remember what it is. I'll go home and watch it tonight and try and find it, maybe. Or else someone here will just tell me, as you're all rather good at things like that. Because I'm really going to watch the James Bond film. Lord Anthony: Nothing at all to do with Brideshead Revisited as far as I know. Lord Anthony were manufacturers of every single anorak that the less well off kids wore to school, and I believe those fabby parkas with the furry hood trims. Sort of synonymous with being a snottery-nosed little not-in-with-the-cool-kids kind of kid in British schools in the seventies and early eighties, a bit like the hero of said song. At our primary school you weren't allowed to do those snorkel-hooded parkas up in a South Park stylee as it meant you couldn't see out the sides and you would be likely to get hit by a car when croosing the road with your vision somewhat hindered. Jordi: > On the other hand, I > think that "Lord Anthony" is too much song just > to be wasted for a b-side. As is La Pastie, Beautiful, Slow Graffiti, Photo Jenny, String Bean Jean etc etc. I don't think of them as b-sides anyway. Shall we start a campaign for Belle and Sebastian to write some bad songs so they can chuck them away on b-sides? Can someone tell me where in a sentence you are meant to put those wee ~ sarcasm thingies - there's meant to be one in that last sentence there. Or maybe a smiley will do instead :) Scott 4 (OK, not a real thread, but they are playing at All Tomorrow's Parties): The artwork on the new album is done by Mr Murdoch. Will the talents of that family never end? I'll spare you all the huge mental discourse I had prepared on how you can just like something (art, music, book, TV show) for the simple reason that it moves or affects you in some way without the need for "real" validation. I just like stuff. It's really as simple as that. I suspect Celine Dion fans feel the same way as that. And if anyone thinks that makes me less of a Belle and Sebastian fan, well fine. I don't think it does, and I've decided to start having the courage of my own convictions about everything again so I firmly believe what I just said there. Some of that's because of some of you. You know who you are, big hugs to you all. When we're done with Tim Hopkins, can we start a campaign to get Alix Campbell back please? Oh, I went to look for everyone's favourite sinister cutie-pie on the movie database thingie, and the homepage on imdb.com is asking for people to write in if they know the whereabouts of former child stars. Who's going to do the honours then? I was an extra in Restless Natives, at the end where they are driving down the Mound in Edinburgh, I'm in the crowd scene. My best friend Neil was in Neighbours, he bought a can of Coke off Henry Ramsay. And my big brother was interviewed on CountryFile (Sunday lunchtime farmer programme that nobody watches). That's crap isn't it. Sorry. Oh, I did work with the father of the bloke who gets turned into a fly in the Granton Star Cause (first part of the Acid House) last summer. See, everything all ties together once again. That soundtrack may have been responsible for introducing some great Scottish bands to the wider world, but it also introduced them to the Gyres. Finally, Jan said: > you don't know what you're doing. I've got bad breath... and I > scatter my CDs all around the room.... you don't want to live with > someone like me the rest of your life, hm? Does anyone want to swap chalets with me for All Tomorrow's Parties then? Only joking, Jan, as long as you're joking too :) Congratulations to everyone who made it this far. You really *do* have too much time on your hands :) Ailsa xx PS No-one's voted for me in the list crush votes for over a fortnight. I think my fifteen minutes are well and truly up. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 18:54:30 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:54:30 EDT Subject: Sinister: I think the shaking stopped...or rather started Message-ID: <4d9550e1.24993ed6@aol.com> I recieved my copy of the B&S documentary yesterday (from Rob, who I think we'll all agree is aces) but theres a slight problem. Ok, there's a huge problem. I can't view the darn thing. Its continual squiggles and the sound is quite reminscent of the Chipmunks (if you thought Isobel's voice was cute before, wait til you hear the Alvin version of 'Is it Wicked Not To Care.' Truly a brillant moment). I'm no expert when it comes to VCRs, hell I barely qualify as a novice, so being that I live stateside and Rob on the Isle, is there an adaptor of some sort I need to view the tape? I know a few other folks in the US recieved tapes from Rob so I'd really appreciate it if someone who can watch their tape could tell how I could do the same (hopefully for pretty cheap). I'm sorry I couldn't cram some smut in here but after Nick's last message I see there is no need for anything more than the walking ball of glorious smut that is Mr. Dasto(o)r. Cheers. Joel and Ethan Cohen are highly underrated...Fargo and the Big Lebowski were tops. Steve C. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 19:31:46 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:31:46 -0700 Subject: Sinister: My Life As An SAB....... Message-ID: <000201beb826$7d1eef80$140114ac@techsupport> Hey All! Note to Ailsa - there are plenty of people who never even get a crush list vote to start with - so don't go complainin' that no one's voted for you in a week - boo~hoo! :) Too funny that Ailsa should mention The Gyres. They stink like old banana's.... Here's a little harsh reality for all those SAB's out there (Sad American Bastards :)). The UK records their videos differently form us and we are unable to play ANY video here on our VCR's - I used to know the logistics of it all, but I am hopeless for technical detail. A talent I find extremely proficient in my new vocation as a computer technical engineer, but nevermind.... There are video players that you can buy which will play either at the flick of a switch. I have one on my wish list for my wedding. I have a lot of B&S stuff that I can't watch - music videos and stuff like that. There are places that will transfer UK to US for you - but it is COSTLY - and that is why we are SAB!!! :) Sorry for the bad news, the truth usually stinks. Hope all is well out there in Sinister land.... Snoggs, ell +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From acoyboy at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 19:53:46 1999 From: acoyboy at xxx.com (boyon abike) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:53:46 PDT Subject: Sinister: And now a message from our sponsor... Message-ID: <19990616185347.66413.qmail@hotmail.com> i am terribly sorry, but i just could not resist: how about that one where....springfield is overtaken by the most dreaded and heinous arch-enemy of the simpsons yet....FRAGGLES!! the fraggles team up with sideshow bob in a wicked plot to kill bart via forcing him to o.d. on dr. pepper! of course, grandpa would end up lost underground complaining that "the elves took my underwaaare!", and homer's international underground coke cartel would rise and fall in half an hour as marge uses her fame as an underwear model to start a new "crack down on drugs" campain. oh that would put me on the floor for days :) mmmmmm...fraggles do you all agree? (homer: do Iii know what rhetorical means!?) on another note (d-flat, it i am not mistaken). when i first started listening to B&S i knew my life had changed. beforehand i had completely given up on ever finding a band that could produce such music; a band like......well, belle and sebastian! i can still listen to them at any moment and be exceptionally glad, Buuttt..i do sense that the familiarity i now have has caused a waning on the songs immediate ability to take me out of whatever unpleasant mood i might happen to be in and instantly place me right in a fuzzy dream-world filled of horses, foxes, and bicycles and buses where nothing could ever go wrong, and even if something did go wrong: it would still be all right because stuart would be there to comfort!!! lerv, edwin _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Wed Jun 16 19:59:44 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:59:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Big Apology Message-ID: <199906161859.TAA27040@boober.lineone.net> Dear all, I'm very sorry that my last post was sent 4 times. I sent it once and my computer wouldn't admit it had gone at all so I gave up. Sorry again. Yours Rob +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From editor at xxx.uk Wed Jun 16 20:08:08 1999 From: editor at xxx.uk (piezoelectric unit) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:08:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: hello. im new to the list. In-Reply-To: <001301beb7b7$648b46e0$81288018@oemcomputer.ne.mediaone.net> Message-ID: Hello everyone, my name is alistair and I have never ever fancied a substitute teacher, liked the Simpsons or heard of Tim Hopkins. He sounds so lush though that I too wish he would post. Oh, and I said that he SOUNDS lush, not that he IS a lush, or even is lush or even likes Lush, although I feel certain he must do. Like Lush I mean. Did someone already mention that there is a reference to a Fox In The Snow in the movie of Orlando? I haven't been diligent enough to check the archive... I am naughty. But there is. It's something like, erm, well I forget exactly but along the lines of 'that Russian lover is like a fox in the snow.' I'm sure I got that dreadfully wrong... it's a few days since I saw the movie again and my memory is not all it once was. I have no idea if the novel has the same line, but I am sure some literary marvel will enlighten us. I do like J D Salinger though, and was very interested in someone's comments about the autobiographical nature of Franny and Zooey... even if that was a lifetime ago. Or a week and a bit maybe, I can't remember, as I think I already said. See what I mean? Sheesh. I have spent the day marking GCSE artwork and have just been reacquainted with a few lovely designs for the Belle & Sebastian record that never was, the marvellous 'The Truth About Youth'. Now there's a rarity... perhaps I should make some bootlegs and make my fortune. But really, there were some very nice designs... this year the kids are all designing for 'The Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner', that is unless they've chosen something else instead. Which is most of them.., although someone has drawn a lovely picture of Stuart M with no face... whist someone else was asking which members of the group people fancied. Oh yeah, and there was a picture someone had swiped from the Web of Isobel, and you will be proud to know that I resisted the temptation to quip that this was Isobel sporting her raunchy schoolgirl uniform look. It just wouldn't have sounded right, would it? No Mr Miller, it wouldn't. My ten favourite Godards are: Nobody's Scared Ambition Spring Is Grey Make Me Sad Chain Smoking Don't Split It Stop That Girl Watching The Devil Split Up The Money Won't Turn Back I am very excited that Mr Daltrey and his friends are to play some of Rocks finest choons down at Powderham this summertime. I shall be sure to cycle by on the canal path and direct my ears towards the sonic wonders that are bound to emanate from the castle grounds. I only hope someone has arranged for the deer to have a holiday on that day... bless their pert little ears. Right, I have to go and write a story about unrequited love and wallowing in self-pity now. Pop music told me to do it... Keep the faith, Alistair +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 20:35:18 1999 From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:35:18 EDT Subject: Sinister: I think the shaking stopped...or rather started Message-ID: <95233e2.24995676@aol.com> as regards the sounds of the documentary: it's in brit format: namely. PAL. i think it's called. Some places can convert the tape for you. Look in your local phone book. I don't think it would be too pricey. I was going to ask for a copy of the documentary, but then i remembered the format wouldn't work in my VCR. maybe if some nice listee gets it converted they could make me a copy. I figured I would post this to the whole list, in case someone else has the same problem. if you think it's bad posting private mail to the list, consider my plight. I've been posting letters that should have gone to the list to a retired grandmother in Florida. I think the smut content has nearly unhinged her. people don't say crikey enough in conversation dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dazza at xxx.uk Wed Jun 16 20:54:07 1999 From: dazza at xxx.uk (Darren East) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:54:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hello there References: <51341a04.24978909@aol.com> <376630E7.CCC300EF@mcs.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: <016a01beb832$008bf380$a6bf883e@fred> I've chosen the auspicious occasion of Bloomsday to cautiously come out of the shadows and say hello... Actually, I was on the list for a while ages ago, and there all my silly postings are, in the archives (and possibly some chords on the chords page). Even that great/daft Ferlinghetti poem (although it's lost all its layout). I wonder if the person who was *so* cross about that one is still here. Anyhow, there's just time to remind you all to go down your local and have a couple of Guinnesses for Jimmy. Go on... altogether now: "Stately, plump Buck Mulligan came from the stairhead, bearing a bowl of lather on which a mirror and a razor lay crossed..." What's the relevance of all this? Who knows. I'm quite fond of B&S, I could wallow in Ulysses for ever. So I'd better stop here... Cheers Dazza ********** "Diaphane, adiaphane. If you can put your five fingers through it, it is a gate, if not a door. Shut your eyes and see." ********** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bfundak at xxx.edu Wed Jun 16 20:48:17 1999 From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:48:17 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Harley Quinn, the comics, saying "hello" Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990616154817.0092a110@popb.bgsu.edu> This is mainly for Corinna Dusk, but is also for all of the comic junkies out there. Corinna said: * I am a girl, and I love the Simpsons. So there. But as far as cartoons go, I prefer Aeon Flux and Batman. Mmm...Harley Quinn. Harley Quinn, a character created for the Batman cartoon, is making her debut in DC Continuity next month in a 48 page special. I don't even collect Batman, and I am thinking of getting it. Okay, sorry to have wasted your time. Brandt "Mother-fucking weather people. You better not have an eighty degree day. God damn it, I've been itching like crazy." --Nut in Cleveland +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From P68d6ern at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 21:38:21 1999 From: P68d6ern at xxx.com (P68d6ern at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:38:21 EDT Subject: Sinister: slow graffiti, etc. Message-ID: <9bdf53e3.2499653d@aol.com> In a message dated 6/16/99 4:45:45 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, ynoh at leland.Stanford.EDU writes: << Joseph, after watching The Dreamlife of Angels, I can tell you that the way the French say cool is cool, even for New Yorkers. (Joseph, do your friends say the Velvet Underground is cool? they should, right? it's simpleminded of me to compare a single chord to a simple chord progression, isn't it? some kinds of irony are beyond me.) >> Yes, they say VU is cool and why should they not? After all they were a New Yawk band in the best (or worst) sense. The point I was trying to make is that people tend to like or dislike something for arbitrary reasons--meaning that my snobbish (although not all, I just had some annoying Kultur conversations that week)--friends would not like The Velvet Underground if they were from Ohio. I, on the other hand, would do not care where a band comes from; it is the music that counts. One digression I find interesting: I have noticed that the most snobbish of New Yorkers are those who move here from other parts of the US; the locals are not nearly as bad. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From P68d6ern at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 22:01:41 1999 From: P68d6ern at xxx.com (P68d6ern at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:01:41 EDT Subject: Sinister: No snappy subject line Message-ID: <9acc5e67.24996ab5@aol.com> Essential Elvis Costello records...Hmmm, here is my two cents: Blood and Chocolate, and This Years Model. Jarkko asked if anyone here liked The Replacements. I have to answer a BIG YES. Again my two cents: best albums Let It BE, and Tim (although Pleased to Meet Me does rawk man). And as to J's comments pertaining to why some people write to the list so often: how about why not? I mean, who is hurt by a thousand people (who happen to be fans of a certain band) communicating their thoughts? And, more for the prolific Jarkko: a dream such as yours may be hard to fulfill; you do have to meet the women first, then take it from there. It is a nice dream though. Tired from reading all of your letters, so I'll leave with the obligatory profound song quote: Bitterness is the lowest sin, a bitter man rots from within. Smog. Take care all, Joseph +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 22:05:58 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:05:58 -0400 Subject: Sinister: It Could Have Been A Brilliant Gruyere Message-ID: <199906161706_MC2-79AA-44DE@compuserve.com> Hi Brothers & Sinisters, Heartfelt thanks to Chris Leonard from Skynyrd Sounds for the best bellylaugh/giggle/chuckle I've had since the All Day Bweakfast Face. You guys are just pissing (?Blowing) in the wind with your attempts to get Hopkins, T. to mail. What you should do is post that the list is closing, & then everyone would come out of the woodwork. Sleep well, David Moore Chelmsford, UK np: "With Myself" - N Dastooor +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From P68d6ern at xxx.com Wed Jun 16 22:08:38 1999 From: P68d6ern at xxx.com (P68d6ern at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:08:38 EDT Subject: Sinister: Oh, another thing... Message-ID: I just realized that there was a lot of "Re: Alex Chilton" in the subject line and not one mention of the genius of Alex Chilton and his lovely band Big Star. There, now some-one has mentioned it. Bye again, Joseph +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Thu Jun 17 00:17:41 1999 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:17:41 +0200 Subject: Sinister: I must think of a subject line that's longer than Ailsa's. let me see.. the problem is that my posting has absolutely no conten In-Reply-To: <3767E2A4.90C51CDB@student.paisley.ac.uk> Message-ID: <199906162318.BAA07912@front1.grolier.fr> Hi. Ailsa said: > Finally, Jan said: > > you don't know what you're doing. I've got bad breath... and I > > scatter my CDs all around the room.... you don't want to live with > > someone like me the rest of your life, hm? > > Does anyone want to swap chalets with me for All Tomorrow's Parties > then? Only joking, Jan, as long as you're joking too :) Don't worry, I won't bring any CDs, I guess there will be enough music provided right there :) the bad breath was a joke... as was "at least I'm good- looking"...sigh and don't worry, it won't be for the rest of your life anyway.... probably. good night Jan The Dark Site of the Moon: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/index.html Tindersticks page: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/tinderpage/tinder.html To love oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance. -Oscar Wilde +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MWaggner at xxx.com Thu Jun 17 00:42:25 1999 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:42:25 EDT Subject: Sinister: It Could Have Been A Brilliant Gruyere Message-ID: <368840f0.24999061@aol.com> In a message dated 99-06-16 17:08:17 EDT, you write: > > You guys are just pissing (?Blowing) in the wind with your attempts to get > Hopkins, T. to mail. What you should do is post that the list is closing, & > then everyone would come out of the woodwork. I am willing to offer Hippie Hopkins a fine collection of informational cards about cheeses of the world that I got from a supermarket display thing, if he comes back... they're even PASTEL colored.... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Thu Jun 17 00:42:10 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:42:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Mummy says READ THIS MESSAGE please Message-ID: A message from List Mummy, saucepan in hand. There's too much traffic on this list for it to be sustainable, from past experience, and from watching the subscriptions. We've seen this before: too many messages with too little content, or messages for a pile of close friends. Could I ask you all to pull together a bit, remember this isn't a friends club for 20 people, and be very careful if you're thinking of posting that (a) you don't dare until you yourself know the full weight of reading every other message before you and (b) you're damn sure at least 75% of the people on the list will want to read what you type. Please lay off a little if you've posted a lot recently and give others room to breathe so they feel they can actually join in. We'll notice. I'm deadly serious, this list needs you all to help so it can keep a spring in its step. That probably means we don't want 999 quotes from Homer Simpson, icon to modern living that he is. Out of circulation as I am just now, I will do what I can to make sure this list stays around and is enjoyable for all people, new and old. Let me know if I'm getting this right please, or give me suggestions if you have any ideas; but not on the list, to me privately. Mails you send will stack up in my inbox for ages and you might get a general reply, but they're always always gratefully received and listened to. Oh and thank you to everyone who's been sweet about me being an awful lump at the moment. I've not gone far and I'm watching. Grrr :) Honey x - Thank you for not discussing the outside world - (whoops) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mlucey at xxx.edu Thu Jun 17 01:40:36 1999 From: mlucey at xxx.edu (Michael Lucey) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:40:36 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Hardy hey hey Message-ID: <4.1.19990616173028.00967580@socrates.berkeley.edu> Chris McQuain told us that: My fave Godards in order: 1. My Life to Live 2. Contempt 3. Masculin/Feminin (for some reason, this strikes me as the most B&S-like, don't ask why just see the movie) 4. Pierrot Le Fou 5. Alphaville 6. Breathless 8. Two or Three Things I Know About Her ...and I believe those are the ones I've seen. Please, everybody, write in with YOUR favorites (and I'm only half joking about that). I am currently working on a book about underappreciated '60s actresses, including Anna Karina (in most of the films above, married to Godard at the time), Liv Ullman, Bibi Andersson, Gena Rowlands, ....... What happened to film number 7? Is M/F the most B&S only because Francoise Hardy is in it? There are a couple other cool, less well known Godard 60s films that are worth a peek if you get a chance: "La Chinoise" and "Le Gai Savoir". They're a lot of fun. I think Jacques Demy's 60s musical films are very B&S (whatever that means) -- "The Umbrellas of Cherbourg" and "The Young Girls of Rochefort" . And it's not just that Michel Legrand music... As for Gina Rowlands and hubbie John Cassavetes (who's films I always think of alongside Godard's -- don't ask me why), I think they could have been in the Bowlie film/video fest too.... "Minnie and Moskowitz" "A Woman Under the Influence" "Opening Night" "LoveStreams". Maybe when Lazy Line Painter Jane grows a bit older she'll become Gina Rowlands in "A Woman Under the Influence." (Though she'd have to learn a new accent....) Bye now. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Thu Jun 17 02:46:01 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:46:01 -0700 Subject: Sinister: The screen becomes my dream/My dream is on the screen Message-ID: This little missive DOES contain some very loose mention of B&S, so I hope Honey won't mind. Godard is VERY different from Homer Simpson, let me assure you all. Let me just say that I think the film snobs AS WELL AS the Simpsons addicts are integral parts of Honey's brilliant list; I happen to be both. We are all B&S fans, we have that in common, and I think we can assume that despite our differences in taste, we are all intelligent and deserving of respect and a voice on the list. When disagreements arise, if they're played out respectfully, they just make the list more colorful. :) The obviously well-viewed, tasteful, and cinephilic Michael Lucey rightly queried: >> What happened to film number 7? << Film number 7 in my list of fave Godards. Well, actually, I forgot, but I'll just say it's the lovely 'musical comedy' A Woman is a Woman (also w/ music by Michel Legrand!). I've also seen and adored Weekend. Godard is a genius and that's just that. Mr. Lucey went on to probe: >> Is Masculin/Feminin the most B&S only because Francoise Hardy is in it? << Actually, no. I thought it was the most B&S because of all the rather uncertain but well-meaning young people, and also the way it glamorizes (or at least treats as it they are interesting) the humdrum and everyday lives of melancholy twentysomethings. Also with bits about "The Children of Marx and Coca-Cola" it's just too intelligent and sweet to not associate with our beloved Belle & Sebastian. I previously asked Mr. Lucey to let me know where, oh where may I obtain Michel Legrand's pop recordings? CD titles, please? I shall weep into my pillow until he delivers. Legrand's music for Godard's My Life to Live is in my top 5 film scores ever. Goodnight and thank you- -Chris "And I wondered if a memory is something you have, or something you've lost." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From zoe.parsons at xxx.uk Thu Jun 17 03:38:53 1999 From: zoe.parsons at xxx.uk (janetzx) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:38:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 94, is it a magic number? Message-ID: <004a01beb86a$8a7944c0$52b501a3@stu082.sjc.ox.ac.uk> >Anyway, I'm sick of smut. I am setting up a 'smut box' into which I shall toss >a coin every time I catch myself getting jiggy. jiggy???? monsieur daStarr, is that really so? oh go on, you KNOW you only said that so sad fools like me could reap innuendos. since the narrow wizard has sadly left us, i'll Nick (haha) his catchphrase: toss a coin for me. and toss one for yourself too. (you'll probably feel better....) and monsieur alistair piezoelectric unit.... SHEESH? SHEESH? you may not like the Simpsons (sad friendless pervert) but you evidently have been influenced by Marvel comics. so i like you (tough luck babe) love janet ps. (if you stay and play.......oh must i mother? i want to dance with danger.......) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com Thu Jun 17 06:18:24 1999 From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:18:24 EDT Subject: Sinister: record's freshness date/The Who->/etc... Message-ID: <3a90426b.2499df20@aol.com> I've been lurking for a mighty long time and feel sorry that I haven't felt happy enuff to contribute to the list but with personal breakups of relationships, divorce, etc.. its kinda difficult to open up and look for the brighter side of things at times. Regarding the freshness of how many times to listen to a B&S record or anything for that matter, I guess it depends upon the listener and the type of music. IYFS was a steady player for me as well as Tigermilk, although I played IFYS much more and never grew tired of it. After being all too familiar with B&S, TBWTAS didn't get as many heavy plays since from the get-go I liked select songs and still do and jump around more with that one instead of playing it all the way through most of the time. Old improv jazz is my main passion since I listen to it (and some classical) and get different reactions or responses to what I hear with repeated listens more than most current pop. There seems to be much discussion of the Who-> on the list as of late. I don't see the connection to B&S but its cool. "Quadrophenia" was my mid-teens high school record that got me through my angry angst-filled years and I appreciated most of their work up through Who Are You. Even caught them "live" once in the 70's. T.Rex has always been my fave British band since about 1972 when I was a wee lad. Any Bolan fans amongst the list??? I always liked the fact that Bolan was too British for most audiences in the US to understand. It kept him more exclusive for he few here who understood his many musical directions of psych folk to pop to soul etc.... The Tyrannosaurus Rex from 1968-70 and early electric T.Rex of '70-71 is the bomb to me!! Enuff for now, Pete G. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Thu Jun 17 06:40:39 1999 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:40:39 -0400 Subject: Sinister: it's an allergy compilation Message-ID: <040601beb883$f3cbd140$ba1e05d1@oemcomputer> goodness me, wait a few days to check mails and all hell breaks loose. minimal b+s content, but it's all wrapped up in one neat package. okay, the bit about compiling a list of people who are involved in band things: i sort-of am, i'm a deluxe groupie (as anyone who's seen me at a show can confirm) and take photos for press things and promotions for some toronto bands. i've also nearly got it on with glenn jones of cul de sac if that counts for anything, and ate thai food with lou barlow. i also record stuff solo (doesn't that sound pompous?)under the name of sound engineering, but i think only a couple people have tapes because i'm quite inept with the transfer from 4track to regular cassette. so if you see a sound engineering tape anywhere, give it a listen and be nice to whoever gave it to you because they're a friend of mine. it's got guitar and flute and space echo and me singing shyly and some piano and little african sorts of drums. the simpsons: i've been likened to lisa. she's my favourite. the best was when she made gazpacho so people wouldn't have to eat meat at homer's barbecue, and barney yelled "go back to russia!". looper: i know there was already a toronto picnic, but i'm quite sad that i couldn't attend and that the fun and shenanigans happened without me. i don't know how many people are going to be seeing looper, but if you're going to be in toronto and would like some smiles and tea with a fellow sinisteree, email me privately (you know, that's not on the list, kids) and perhaps we'll have enough people for a game of twister. and if we have enough alcohol, we can play naked. it's july 19, or maybe i'm getting my months mixed up again. self promotion: please go to my website, it's http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/3733 and it's full of photos and little stories and plenty of flesh. then write me mail telling me that you were there, and hello, and could i please explain the story? maybe you'd be more likely to visit if i told you that someone said i reminded them of isobel. well, it's true, they did. black box recorder: i've got the england made me epee, and it's nice but i don't know if i'd want an entire album. mind, i've only given it a few listens because at the same time i got several gorky's epees and have been trying to decipher the words that often pretend to be english and mess with your head when you're half asleep. swearing off b+s: i've always tried to ration them, because once iyfs really hit me i was smitten and it's like when you have to tape your hands to your sides to keep from phoning your new crush because you know that the phone will just ringringring while he's at work and the only satisfaction you'll get is hanging up on his machine. er, what was i saying again? i've forgotten. "i smell sex and candy here who's that lounging in my chair?" the sassy, saucy girl band: so far it's christa and i. she's got the yellow boa and i've got the blue one. we've still got a pink boa and a lilac one, not to mention pots of hello kitty lipgloss, so if you'd like to join (or if you want to be part of the underwear chain letter), write and we'll outfit you accordingly. i'm off to have myself some cheese before i hop into bed, even though it gives me strange dreams. kisses, jessicaxo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From polystyreneman64 at xxx.com Thu Jun 17 06:48:55 1999 From: polystyreneman64 at xxx.com (Dan McKinney) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:48:55 PDT Subject: Sinister: can you still feel the butterflies? Message-ID: <19990617054857.10818.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello, those of the sinister persuasion. After not posting for about three months I've decided it's time to come out of the woodworkings of this fine list and say something. oh, first I feel I should apologize about something. a while back I had asked if anyone would send me a tigermilk tape and/or some radio sessions for a radio show I was doing on b&s. however, due to hotmail's dysfunctions I have no clue if anyone other than weejay gave me any offers. and by the time I was able to sort things out, it was too late, and I scrapped the b&s show idea. there's always next year, I suppose. anyways, I will be making a week-long trip to London the first week of July. had somebody mentioned a sinister picnic being held that weekend? how exciting it would be to meet some of the people who brighten my day with their witty, humorous, and occasionally thought-invoking posts! does anybody else like jimmy eat world? their new album, CLARITY, is great. dare I say it's the best record I've heard in a year. beautiful vocal harmonies, lyrics that ring universal truths (my favorite being "this is what she says gets her through it: 'if I can't let myself be happy now, then when? if not now, when?'"), great instrumentation, etc... at any rate, I'd highly recommend it not only to emo fans but to pop fans at-large. i've also been listening to teenage fanclub a lot lately. somebody mentioned a couple days ago that their interest in b&s has been waning due to overplaying them. with teenage fanclub for me, it's been much the opposite. for years I had underplayed them (for some reason I could never get into them), but now bandwagonesque is constantly in my cd player. such a great, overlooked pop record. and grand prix is great as well. thirteen also has its moments. 80's pop tidbit: in recent days people have mentioned elvis costello, the replacement, and the psychedelic furs. i'd have to say my favorite pop band of the 80's, aside from the smiths, is the Dream Academy. I find this somewhat disconcerting considering their hit single "Life in a Northern Town" (which is apparently an ode to Nick Drake) was chosen as a track on the "Pure Moods II" compilation. they also had a song on the soundtrack to Ferris Bueller's Day Off. does anyone else remember or like this band? well I know I had more to say but I've forgotten what it was so that's all for now. Peace, love, and legal narcotics from the locked drawer, ~Dan-O p.s.: oh yeah. if any of you londoners would be kind enough to fill me in as to where some good places are to shop for music in your city (i.e. used stores, indie stores, wherever), please email me privately. I would REALLY appreciate it. thanks! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Michael.Barrett at xxx.com Thu Jun 17 11:34:08 1999 From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.com (Michael Barrett) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:34:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Syllogistic ecphory and emergist interactionism References: <040601beb883$f3cbd140$ba1e05d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00f301beb8ac$eef5e290$b62fc22b@karoo> NTSC vs PAL (ie american vs british video systems) A lot of new UK vcrs can playback (but not record) NTSC videos. If you don't have one of these (although I do know a certain Japanese electronics company that sells them...) if can get a friend with one you can copy the NTSC video to PAL. I assume the case is the same in the states (ie that newer VCRs will playback PAL), so that may be one cheap solution. The Who - are they not poodle rock pish, like Queen or Iron Maiden? Graham who isn't asked for summer books - Tender is the Night is a bit special, as is Bonjour Tristesse. >Finally, Jan said: >> you don't know what you're doing. I've got bad breath... and I >> scatter my CDs all around the room.... you don't want to live with >> someone like me the rest of your life, hm? > >Does anyone want to swap chalets with me for All Tomorrow's Parties >then? Only joking, Jan, as long as you're joking too :) I guess after Kevan's description of me (search the archives for 'cabbage', 'incontinence', 'licking strangers faces' and 'starship troopers' and I'll be there) my chances of going to ATP are pretty much nil, unless I get a whole cabin to myself. Or does anyone like cabbages...? Barron von Chickenpants! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From G.K.A.Kathoke at xxx.uk Thu Jun 17 14:59:15 1999 From: G.K.A.Kathoke at xxx.uk (Geyv Kathoke) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:59:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Youre chosen as an extra for a movieadaptation of your life In-Reply-To: <19990616060926.15741.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, jarkko frantila wrote: (Snip large amounts of valuable prose just cos I'm feeling evil. Ha.) > > And to continue this theme, I'd like to ask people: What has been the best > "Man, I'm living in a movie and this is so cool"- moment. You want me to > start? Well ok. Unforutnately my movie moment was not quite so cool. I had just been visiting my then girlf. in Cardiff, where she was at Uni. After a pleasant evening spent wining and dining I thought, "aha, smut is in the offing". Unfortunately she then introduced me to Rich, who was her friend. Then she and Rich disappeared to her room. i was forced to walk 3miles in the rain to my car and drive home back down the M4, a horrible motorway with no lights (the road not my car) for 3 hours to get home. And it rained all the way. I also had my saddest songs tape on, like "she's gone" by Hall and Oates etc. Oh it was so moviesque. Still. Onward and downward Love and haurrah for windscreen wipers. Geyv P.S. Just as an aside what do you do to stop you from feeling depressed? I know friends of mine go out and get hammered, others cut themselves with a knife, and some go for along drive. I make compilation tapes of songs which remind me opf the problem. it's not the greatest solution. So I'm looking for new techniques. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Thu Jun 17 15:32:33 1999 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 15:32:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Fifteen minutes are easily over Message-ID: I agree with Ailsa in the fear of believing my 15 mins of celebrity are over.My Viva is ,fortunately,also over,so yesterday was a great day. How many people can tell than in less than 24 hours have been described as 'lovely' by UltraSexy Dasto(o)r,received a marriage proposal by our man in Finland,and sent a glorious tape by Sarah, Princess of Lancs.?And answered satisfactorily a few tricky questions on why the multipolar expansion breaks down.Eh?Not this latter for sure.What a Bloomsday! I am still keeping my no-BelleandSeb diet.I really needed some clean up time to be able to enjoy them again.On Tuesday night I met someone called Seb in a party and he didn't want to recognize his full name was Sebastian.Very odd.In spite of my zeal talking about 'Brideshead Revisited' as one of the essential elements in my formation.I didn't mention our boys as other reason to be proud of having such a name on your shoulders because this individual had pink hair and pink skater-like t-shirt and several piercings all over his bits, so obviously was too cool to be into our sect.He was not one of the 2600. Definitely there is something very cinematographic in Belle and Seb's tunes and lyrics, and it has to be in black and white.About glamorizing twenty something's drab existences, Angry Young Men's contribution cannot be neglected, but Morrissey's love for their iconography drives our theories towards The Smiths-B&S connections not very well cleared so far. My modest opinion on the subject will be that Murdochian tunes are more inspiring, maybe because there are more of a plot in them, and so many characters.Morrissey's muse is himself,himself and himself...(and I know I am opening Pandora's box with this sentence) Pandorically yours Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Thu Jun 17 18:15:29 1999 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:15:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: a little about NTSC and PAL videos In-Reply-To: <00f301beb8ac$eef5e290$b62fc22b@karoo> References: <040601beb883$f3cbd140$ba1e05d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990617181529.007b5480@mail.u-net.com> >NTSC vs PAL (ie american vs british video systems) >A lot of new UK vcrs can playback (but not record) NTSC videos. If you don't >have one of these (although I do know a certain Japanese electronics company >that sells them...) if can get a friend with one you can copy the NTSC video >to PAL. I assume the case is the same in the states (ie that newer VCRs will >playback PAL), so that may be one cheap solution. This doesn't actually work, for reasons far too boring to explain here. Even if your VCR plays NTSC tapes you can't just copy them to another PAL VCR...the one you are recording on most likely will be unable to lock up on the NTSC signal, and you'll hear it the tape whining as it tries to change speed...god I'm boring aren't I!! Anyway you'll still need to get it converted properly, or have some kind of magic device that takes 525 line NTSC video and converts it to 625 line PAL video. Thank you for listening. JJ xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Thu Jun 17 19:25:45 1999 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:25:45 PDT Subject: Sinister: happy moments Message-ID: <19990617182548.84639.qmail@hotmail.com> Dearest List, Oh,the first day of my summer vacation!! Let me capture this fleeting moment forever,if only you had witnessed my euphoria yesterday. On June 15th I had 6 hours of exams. First 3 hours of Math and then 3 hours of Physics..Yesterday, expecting the worst,I asked my math teacher....and I PASSED! This isn`t the usual `oh yay` this was truely...my heart lightened,I ran down the hall yelping from the sheer happiness of it all!I could`ve kissed my math teacher (and let me tell you,he has none of that sexy substitute teacher appeal at ALL) I can finally burn those notebooks. The other 2 happy moments have been 1) buying an awesome sports bra,I`m mesmerized by the engineering of it.This isn`t a `oh giggle giggle,let ME tell you about my undies,sir`. I heartily recommend it,sporty ladies. It can stretch,and then go back to it`s original form.It laughs in the face of cholrine and sun bleaching.Sugoi ESP. Tag mentioned Wimbledon. Well I`m getting exciting for tennis too.My teacher is a 75 year old man named Hector and he has trained the MASTERS. Martina Hingis, watch OUT honey.With this miracle of fashion sports wear,just WAIT! I swear,half the fun of things is buying all the little things that go with it. Adidas tennis skirts and matching socks,ohhhhh... 2cond happy moment was reading the story of the Fox and The Army of Christ.My favourite bit is when the fox pees on Stephen. The ending was very good...who would have thought that sweet fox was so evil! Is there going to be a sequel to that story? Ok..around my house,deep in the mountains, we have wolverines, and they are NASTY things...after they kill you, they pee on your carcass,and it is a stench. My god,what an awful animal huh? The final insult..you can`t even be left for dead in peace. The wolverine should be a character in the next story. Yes,I admit, I go overboard with records I really like sometimes.(I have strange little things I do with certain songs too.Like,when I`m in the car and when we are crossing over this one paritcular bridge i HAVE to listen to a really good,soaring song.)I listen to it too many times,I really should savour it more so I don`t wear out it`s appeal.The last Belle and Sebastian I listened to was Lazy Line Painter Jane because you all have been talking about it so.I think I might get out If You`re Feeling Sinister. Ha ha...I remember the first time I heard it (first ever taste of Belle and Sebastian) I thought `what a strange voice he has`,it was much different than the voices I`d ever heard before...I`m proud of Stuart.Those lunges have really developed... and there was a time in my life when I wasn`t actually attracted to Suart Murodoch.I find this very difficult to believe, but our relationship has grown steadily.Yes..soon my pretty,soon. The last record I went really nuts on was Hefner. That Darren...he`s got some power over me.Ever since Sister Disco said he was like Austin Powers I can`t get that image out of my mind.Does he say `grrr baby,very grrr`. Ooh my,is it hot in here? Listee Dreams: You know,I think I know why I don`t get any list crushes...I creepy you all out,don`t I? I`ve dreamed of Tag,Tim Hopkins,David Moore and now Trousers. But don`t be scared, it`s not like I`m a man or something..ha ha,why that would be preposterous!(fancy word,bonus=10 points) I know you`ve all had enough of the Simpsons but I just can`t resist.. We only get about 3 channels,(4 if the weathers good) (and all the french channels here are a little too racy. `Modern Dance`..ahh,yes, of course.)and everyday for god knows how many years,when me and my brother come home from school,we`ve always watched the Simpsons...the simpsons reruns are by far more enjoyable than anything out there.I`m sad to say the newer Simpsons I dont find very good..it`s trying to be more `zany` than satire, and always ends up in a song and dance,but geez after this many years,of course it`s bound to lose some steam.Futurama doesn`t cut it either. Father Ted has that wonderful quality though..I can watch those episodes over again. For NEW shows,I like the Family Guy. Jarrko wrote: >Is it strange if you're 22 years old and you're ready (no, not ready, >actually HOPING) to get married with a person you haven't even found yet, >have 2 and a � kids with her, buy a house.. No..it`s not that strange..I`m 16 and sometimes I think I don`t want a real job at all,I want my beautiful farm and rugged scottish husband and children running about and beautiful flower gardens and herb gardens...siiigh.Oh yes...and animals of course...calling out `Cobussy....cobusssy` and having all the cows come running.I mean,if this was the olden days,I would`ve already been married. Hey Mrs Murodch,take NOTE: "I winna marry wi` ony lad In a` the land o` Fife; I winna leave my mammie yet And I winna be his wife!" Youn Jong Noh said i reminded of intimidating persons..hee hee,hardly! Can I ask an honest question, on resumes,do you put down `Interests`? that`s what I was always taught to do,but when I gave those hip-coffee-shop workers my resume,I felt so dorky..now THEY were intimidating. sweet heavens this is long! sorry much love, genevieve p.s bowlie II, sorry..i`m very hapless and those newsgroups that have information on things like that frighten me.Where do I go for information please?Seriously,if i get the cash,it`s like, hello england. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mike at xxx.uk Thu Jun 17 22:17:54 1999 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:17:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: a little about NTSC and PAL videos In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990617181529.007b5480@mail.u-net.com> Message-ID: Jj wrote: > Even if your VCR plays NTSC tapes you can't just copy them to another > PAL > VCR...the one > you are recording on most likely will be unable to lock up on the NTSC signal, > and you'll hear it the tape whining as it tries to change speed...god I'm > boring aren't I! My trusty JVC machine plays NTSC tapes happily, and I've connected it via the SCART OUT socket to another, older JVC machine and managed to copy an NTSC version of a Joe Cocker video (!) which played fine. Mike -- Sent by: Mike Newman Fax: +44 870 0567643 : ICQ UIN 3533902 Web: http://www.gtnorthern.demon.co.uk Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:14 +0100 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Fri Jun 18 05:33:49 1999 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:33:49 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Rhoda, and that Nick Drake thing in NYC Message-ID: <3769CC2D.8FBD0032@ohiou.edu> Hey List, Well, I think 430 messages is a lot. I mean, I had actually read a fair number too. Somehow I suppose I only have myself to blame. But I have been very, very busy. So anyway, several hundred messages back, someone mentioned Rhoda having a line about faggot friends. Erm... not *entirely* sure on this one, but I don't believe that's how it goes. I know for at least a majority of thie lines it involves various things like "a fag in the morning," being the slang term for cigarette. You know, as I was making the 10-hour drive from my hometown to New York, I listened to my Tigermilk tape a bit, which has Rhoda on it. I was thinking of it in perhaps a different light. We all know how Struan writes songs in the first-person perspective of others. Perhaps the song is about two very old people who have fallen in love in a nursing home. Either that or two young invalids... Are any other NY listees going to the Nick Drake tribute on Saturday? I'm excited to hear Robert Forster's rendition of whichever song he chooses to play. If you're there, come say hi. I'll be the funny-looking fellow with the cute girl. /"\_/"\_/"\ Brian Pennington, a.k.a. Mick McMick; Sandcastle Records \ / bp224996 at ohiou.edu ICQ#5056758 | | Sandcastle Recs Homepage: http://www.frognet.net/~mick/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fruitoboy at xxx.net Fri Jun 18 07:31:51 1999 From: fruitoboy at xxx.net (fruitoboy) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:31:51 +1000 Subject: Sinister: sorry michael barrett Message-ID: <3769E7D7.9E13E6E1@warehouse.net> well i'm out of the nursery and into the fire as it were..............i've been sitting back on my butt long enough without drumming up the courage to post ....wondering if i ever would ,and then mr barrett slags 'the who' as old poodle rock pish!.............well well well, if that didn't just get my goat and inflict flagrant attrocities upon it. 'the who' are responsible for some of the purest pop music ever conceived........albeit none too twee and cardie wearing but still. have a listen to 'substitute' for pop heaven with acid attitude. i would go as far as to say that a similar attitude to many of mr murdoch's ditties is evident. i do however dig b&s more than' the who' my name's mike , i'm from melbourne, and i also dig snow patrol. pretty damned tight for quality music down here.......sorry state of affairs really...i find that i'm forced to become an anglofile just to satisfy my musical wants\needs..........mmmmgh well i'm out and about now in the real world.......be gentle with me...... stay true mike +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fatslug at xxx.com Fri Jun 18 11:49:38 1999 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 03:49:38 -0700 Subject: Sinister: White Horses Message-ID: Hello folks, Did you know that the sound engineer at the Garage's first ever record was White Horses? Just one more reason to come to Tigermilky II or whatever it ends up being called when it happens later this year. When Michael Barrett talks about the workings of electrical appliances I tend to believe him, mainly because he does presentations to international conferences on that sort of thing. When he says that The Who are poodle rock puppies I say that the Seventies were a bad time when everyone grew bad hair, except for the people who couldn't grow bad hair, and they grew beards instead. Pamela Hutchinson complained that listening to Tigermilk was interfering with her revision, and then apologised for being a whining overpriveledged student. Don't listen to her! Pamela is wonderful and fantastic and lovely and you should all go and give her a list crush now at http://listcrush.future.easyspace.com/ to cheer her up. Chris Lynyrd, can I toss into your smut box too? It sounds almost as much fun as Hopkins baiting. Is Hopkins baiting still legal? I can well imagine country folk like Alix Campbell in their wellingtons and wax jackets and tweed caps with a shotgun under their arm organising that sort of thing in a remote barn somewhere, rounding up rambling hippys and throwing them in with Tim to enjoying the resulting mayhem. Have you no shame Alix? Kevan Fat Slug *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com Fri Jun 18 12:44:25 1999 From: Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com (Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:44:25 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <80256794.003FF7F1.00@gbemea05.emea.jwt.com> Dear Sinisteristininesies, I hope everyone is well on this Friday afternoon. Clear skies over London today (when I am at work). Rain forecast for the weekend (when I am not). Perfect. What's the weather like in Scotland? And NY? And Japan(?) Why not let us all know. It is my dream to abuse the Sinister list as a global weather report link up. Only kidding, Honey. (Honey - are you there?) My inbox was woefully scant this morning - perhaps as a result of Honey's "harsh-but-fair" post yesterday. It was one of those situations when I felt guilty, even though not specifically charged. However, I will scatter this post liberally with B&S reference, and include absolutely no mention of any personal friends (chance would be a fine thing) whatsoever. Spoon. Anyhoo, I have two very interesting and fascinating things to say. Firstly, on 12th July, pop pickers, Trash in London's Soho are having a B&S night. Sorry if this is old news, but I only just found out. It is to celebrate the glorious return of our beloved Tigermilk to the shelves of obscure record shops across the galaxy. So everyone come and dance like bastards at this most excellent of nights : ) That said, last Tuesday was Charlatans night, which meant that they played One to Another and Zombie at about 2.30am, and that was it. Not that it was a bad thing, for it left plenty of time for "Sweet Child of Mine" and Britnay F****ng Spears. Shudder. Good time, though, except for being utterly rejected by the girl I've fallen for (top tip: always fall for a girl AFTER getting intimate - saves long hours and lost days : )) Which leads me neatly onto my second point. Geyv Kathoke wrote about how to deal with misery, following a killer anecdote about being totally humiliated by his lurve interest. Bad luck, Geyv - makes me feel better though. Here is my useful nugget of advice: on those long dark evenings of the soul, DO NOT under any circumstance listen to the following songs: Broken Heart - Spiritualized No Distance Left To Run - Blur Miss Misery - Elliott Smith Boy Done Wrong Again etc. (I thought of lots more last night, but now I am at work the creative half of my brain has shut down, and I am running on the 3%* required to perform my duties competently). Just don't do it. Self immolation, a mighty masturbation habit, Brett Easton Ellis, all these are preferable to these bloody dirges. Which got me to thinking - why do people write songs like these? Under what circumstance are they designed to be listened to? When I'm feeling down, I really can't hack hearing how dreadful life can be; when I'm feeling gay, I like to hear happy songs. (Shallow, moi?). What the hell am I talking about? love to you all J. D. Salinger *which coincidentally is the same 3% I use for making sweet love, and as a result am in an almost constant state of arousal at work. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "you take a really sleepy man, Esmé, and he always stands a chance of again becoming a man with all his fac - with all his f-a-c-u-l-t-i-e-s intact" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MWaggner at xxx.com Fri Jun 18 13:26:06 1999 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:26:06 EDT Subject: Sinister: record's freshness date/The Who->/etc... Message-ID: In a message dated 99-06-17 01:21:18 EDT, you write: > T.Rex has always been my fave British band since about 1972 when I was a wee > > lad. Lest anyone think there is no B&S connection to T. Rex... our little batch of B&S admirerers in this area might never have been captured by them had someone in our local cd store not been a T. Rex fan in his youth. When IYFS came into the store, he noted the label name and said, "Ah ha! What is this Jeepster thing? Could they be like T. Rex? Will I be carried back to the days of my platform knee-high boots?" Instead of a trip down some Memory Lane of big-hair and mascara, he was awestruck dumb by our mellow popsters -- and accosted everyone who came through the shop door, forcing them to stand at the counter and have a listen. In thanks, we've all built shrines to the various gods of hair-care products and rat-tail combs in our homes -- although there have been difficulties with the flammability of aerosol cans and candles from time to time. Actually, I always thought T. Rex was an american band until I saw a special on them on VH-1 while in London. They seemed awfully amercian, somehow. --michele +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lyricjunkie at xxx.com Fri Jun 18 13:45:11 1999 From: lyricjunkie at xxx.com (Natasha Rachel) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 05:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: I can see right through your plastic mac Message-ID: <19990618124511.11101.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Oh hello Sinisteroodlies. Fancy meeting *you* here. I've just finished four days in a row of exams and since I don't have to write "London Examinations" anywhere until Wednesday I'm off to The Beach for the weekend. God life can be tough. I was very disappointed when Leo Di Bloody Caprio got Yummy Ewan's role in the film version of "The Beach". Imagine all the opportunities there would have been for Ewan running naked across the sand, Ewan swimming naked in clear- as in transparent, as in you can see *everything*- Thai waters... It's all for the greater good though, the emergency services wouldn't have been able to cope with all the girls who like boys and boys who like boys swooning across the cinema aisles. Guess what. No really, have a guess. Beeeeep. Sorry, time's up. The answer is, there's only two weeks to go til the London picnic. Teri and Debbie are coming ALL THE WAY from Canada to be there and I'm coming ALL THE WAY from Cyprus, so there'd better be lots of Londinium dwellers to show us how to get to Primrose Hill from the station. Enter this warp zone for details: http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/cgi-bin/mboard/belle/thread.cgi?272,0 Incidentally, the day's been set for Saturday the 3rd, but if more people can make it on the Sunday, we're flexible. Democracy and all that. See lots of you soon, Natasha xx _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Fri Jun 18 14:01:50 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:01:50 EDT Subject: Sinister: The documentary Message-ID: Hiya! Has anyone, who asked David Andrew McNicol for a copy of the documentary, got their video yet? Mine's not here yet. :-( If he really sent it last weekend, it should have been here yesterday ... Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From snorman at xxx.uk Fri Jun 18 15:58:49 1999 From: snorman at xxx.uk (Sam Norman) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:58:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Sarah Cracknell - one night only Message-ID: Ooh, i've got to go off on some kind of training weekend, i've already missed the mini-bus, which means that i've got to travel down to deepest darkest Kent, somewhere called Wye to be precise, on a train on my own. I asked a girl out today, she said no as well . And then on top of that I am missing Sarh Cracknell tonight at Popstarz :( What is my life coming to? I don't know.. Anyhow I hope you can forgive my shameless plug for London's second best club after Tigermilking, and not berate me on that either. Sam +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Fri Jun 18 16:55:43 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:55:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 779 people finding this of interest? Umm.. Message-ID: <80256794.00578092.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Bah! Someone anarchist groups have been spreading dissent amongst the Oompah Lumpah and they are on some kind of go-slow policy today. As a result I have been forced to cover for them and this working business is not suiting me well at all. Today of all days! I am exhausted after staying up way past my bedtime last night watching cabaret aboard the HMS President. Big name performers were the Frank Chickens. They followed a quite atrocious act which consisted of a lady removing all her clothes. It was billed as 'Striptease with a Twist' but like the Morrissey song of a similar name, it never appeared. Well, the Striptese did, as I mentioned, but not the Twist, as far as I or any of my companions could make out. To those unfamiliar with the Frank Chickens, they bear a certain resemblance to Belle & Sebastian, in that there are an average of eight members on stage at any one time. Also, they do 'funny' cover versions, of songs like 'Yummy Yummy Yummy I've Got Love In My Tummy' (which, were it in French would be an ideal vehicle for Miss Campbell's talents.) However, the disimilarities soon began to manifest themselves. For a start they all appeared to be fluent in Japanese! And not only did they have no plans to contract out their merchandising operation, they actually went and sold the stuff to the audience directly - during the show! Actually, it wasn't so much 'merchandise' as boxes of raw fish, but the principle remains the same. Some hardcore fans still had their boxes of raw fish from the 1987 tour. I believe there is much demand for these but one member of the Frank Chickens has vetoed any plan to reissue them, arguing that a collectors market in original 1987 fish adds to the mystique of the band. There were one or two innovations that our favourite Scottish heroes might like to consider integrating into the B&S L!ve Experience. For example, one Frank Chicken wore a clever outfit with rubber arms that made it look like someone was squeezing her boobs from behind. One member of the audience was taken in and leaped up on the stage to defend the poor lady's honour, but swiftly discovered his mistake and returned to his seat looking foolish. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kissingdom at xxx.net Fri Jun 18 17:20:45 1999 From: kissingdom at xxx.net (Tony) Date: 18 Jun 99 17:20:45 BST Subject: Sinister: Re: [sinister-digest V3 #206] Message-ID: <19990618162048.8989.qmail@nwcst313.netaddress.usa.net> > Are any other NY listees going to the Nick Drake tribute on Saturday? Or London listees going to the one at the Spitz (Commercial St EC1) the same night ? TC ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Fri Jun 18 18:15:35 1999 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:15:35 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: oven gloves mostly Message-ID: Yo dudes! I've been home for a few days and came back to a torrent of e-mails, so some of this might be a bit out of date. I landed, bouncing, in the warm bosom of my family looking forward to three days of exotic and tasty food, to make a change from the beans and chicken I've been living on recently, to find that our larder was ~full to the brim~ with eight mouldy carrots and an onion. I found some peas in the freezer and boiled them up (this is getting very boring isn't it) then I set fire to the oven gloves (ooh! excitement!) by leaving them on the hob. So instead of going out and having a crazy time I had to stay in and apologise to my mum. Sorry, I'm being irrelevant. I was wondering this morning on the train whether Belle and Sebastian have become an obsession. I was wondering this because at a fabulous party on Sunday I accidentally referred to Arantxa as Sebastian. Oh dear, I suppose it is then, but a worthy obsession I think. Thanks to the people who said good things about my little story. It's reminded me that I'm supposed to be writing a bestselling novel instead of just talking about it and writing stories that aren't even long enough to send to the midnight lending library. I was going to say more but I've just realised that the library's probably shut now and I've wasted another seven pence on an overdude book. I'd better go and see. Bye bye Robin xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From acook at xxx.uk Fri Jun 18 18:30:23 1999 From: acook at xxx.uk (Alasdair Cook MS1996) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:30:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: That joke was never funny in the first place Message-ID: <376A822F.E1416593@cs.strath.ac.uk> Hello, my favourite Simpsons episode/Homerism is......no, it's gone. Here are some rubbish jokes instead. The first one I nicked off a penguin. Unfortunately he was a king penguin and he got all his penguin servants to beat the shit out of me. Luckily the doctors found the joke in my pocket and knew what to do. Q: What do you give a sick Belle and Sebastian fan? A: Tweetment. The second one is an REM joke. I say joke, but for something to be a joke it has to be funny. And this isn't. At all. Knock knock. (now you all say "Who's there") Windy (It's you again, this time you say "Windy who?". This would be a lot easier if I could actually talk to you people, but anyway) Windy World is a monster. Kudos to anyone who is a sad enough REM fan (ie me) to get this. Finally, thanks to Chris for making me laugh (a lot) with: > He turned a funny purple, like Jim Robinson in Neighbours before he died I'm laughing again. Luckily there's no-one here. Alasdair xx PS The Pixies really were a great band, weren't they? (Come on Hopkins, you know you want to). +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Fri Jun 18 18:46:23 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:46:23 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Who Was That Masked Man?...... Message-ID: <000401beb9b2$7b1d7d40$140114ac@techsupport> Pardon me good friends, but I have a wee inquiry..... There has much taunting of man they call - Tim Hopkins.... It leads to wonder what a man such fascination would bring? Is a poet? Is a musician? Is he a writer? Is he Zoro? Perhaps he is the master mind behind Jar Jar Binks.... Whoever he is - why all the taunting? Never one to hide my lack of knowledge as shame - I am open game for laughter should everyone else know who he is besides me. Like the mole too curious for his own, as he investigates a loud noise rolling above him, in time only to see the last wheel of semi roll over him...... Could someone clue me in? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Fri Jun 18 19:43:17 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:43:17 -0400 Subject: Sinister: SOS! Message-ID: <199906181443_MC2-79F6-42CF@compuserve.com> Which of course stands for "Stay On Subject!" :) Evening all, Apologies in advance to the tender toes with their pink glittery varnish of the Mother Superior but I'm going to jump all over them anyway. Those of you not subscribed to the (recently discovered to be actually UNdead) Jeepster list will be ignorant of the fact that some people there are discussing setting up a mailing list on which to share their thoughts & feeling regarding Belle and Sebastian. This because some of them have formed the opinion that the Sinister list that they had been lead to believe fulfilled that necessary function was in fact about the Simpsons. As I have stated before, I dislike the idea of faction, rivalry, schism & division (& tautology!) amongst the B&S fanbase. So could we please listen to Mummy & get back to all that FAQ-type thinking of Sir Cliff, etc. business? Please? You can chastise me now, Honey, for breaching the roolz. Sorry, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bug at xxx.uk Fri Jun 18 20:19:30 1999 From: bug at xxx.uk (bUgleT) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:19:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: How many times can you listen to a Belle and Sebastian record? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990618201930.007da450@mail.netkonect.co.uk> i was discussing this w/ cassie the other day..i don't think i've ever got sick of a belle & sebastian record, and i think they're the only band whose records i could never ever get sick of. there are a few songs i don't like [very few: 'chickfactor'..that's about it, really], but i fall asleep to either 'TBWTAS' or 'IYFS' every night..and i'm nowhere near sick of 'em yet. how could you get sick of that voice? mmmmm, the voice, the voice is calling me.... *bug* ___________________________________________ ***the tiny zine on the net*** http://ds.dial.pipex.com/sage/tartrazine ***and the best band in oxford*** http://ds.dial.pipex.com/sage/moonkat +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bug at xxx.uk Fri Jun 18 20:19:24 1999 From: bug at xxx.uk (bUgleT) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:19:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: music to fall asleep to.. Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990618201924.007d8910@mail.netkonect.co.uk> Justin W wrote: >I guess this train of thought could really be applied to any band, but I >was lying on my floor last night with a candle nearby listening to BWTAS >and started to question the amount of time I spend listening to it and >other great albums. I take a small amount of pride in not resorting to >distractions for the most part, but is music really a distraction if it is >so beautiful? When I listen to a great piece of music, I find myself almost >paralyzed in the sense that I can't bring myself to do anything other than >succumb to it. If I busy myself with something else, a certain percentage >of my consciousness is unable to pay full attention to the music. So, >consequently, when I listen to music, I get nothing done, and I listen to >music A LOT. When I watch TV, read, or amuse myself with frivolties, I >usually am consciously aware that I am distracting myself from reality, but >with music am I somehow subconsciously validating it because it has the >ability to make one transcend reality without realizing it? Yeah, it is >art, but where does one draw the line between indulgence in art and >mindfulness to the here and now. After having said that, I realize by >listening to music I would have to be in the here and now but it seems like >an elitist here and now that is untouched by reality. I'm not sure. Well >this may be a case of over-contemplation, but I just wondered if any of you >out there have ever thought the same thing, well at least similar things. exactly. i couldn't have put it better myself. music is something to lose yourself in, and i that's why it's so universally popular. but that's also why i sometimes cannot understand why bands like 5ive and backstreet boys become so popular, because there is essentially nothing there to lose yourself in. but then i remind myself of the time when i myself was a hormone-fuelled, take that obsessed ten year old [yes, ten year old]..and it wasn't so much about the music. yeh, sure, that was an element, but the reason i was so obsessive about them was because of their whole image. i listen back on their music now and think 'what could i have ever found there that was of any substance?'..but you have to remember i was tne..and hormones are cruel and evil things. i do often wonder why i spend so much of my time listening to music. some people around me can't understand it, but i can't understand how they could *not* completely surround themselves with it. i never get any revision/essays done because there's always some cd in the background which manages to eventually distract me totally from what i was doing. i have to have music on when i'm falling asleep [but maybe that's just me being a wimp]..i have to listen to it in the car, any long journeys, in the common room, before exams..or just lying on my bed, forgetting about everything and immersing myself in the track. music's a sociable interest in some ways [in that you're brought together with other people at gigs/festivals etc and it's a way to meet new people with similar interests], but at the same time it's so completely antisocial. i think that belle & sebastian are one of the best bands to completely immerse yourself in......however, i would say that the absolute best band i have found for doing this is radiohead. ok, ok, so that's typical coming from me..but think about it for a bit. you know i'm right. you just know it. i have a billion things more to say on this topic, but i don't want to bore any of you anymore than i already have.. i think i've been out in the sun too long....... *bug* ___________________________________________ ***the tiny zine on the net*** http://ds.dial.pipex.com/sage/tartrazine ***and the best band in oxford*** http://ds.dial.pipex.com/sage/moonkat +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bug at xxx.uk Fri Jun 18 20:19:36 1999 From: bug at xxx.uk (bUgleT) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:19:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: stars of track and field.. Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990618201936.007dbe30@mail.netkonect.co.uk> ..the band. dear everyone, i have found out who they are....if anyone's from around the oxford area or is interested in the oxford music scene, you will no doubt have heard of the amazing but sadly departed manyeung, legendary around these parts. stars of track and field includes the lovely phil from the aforementioned band, w/ his ever changing hair colour and sprightly, indie-kid good looks [hope he's not on this list do i, yeees]. anyway, they're playing tonight in witney and at truck 99 on 10th-11th july in steventon - it's better than t in the park! oh yes! well..maybe not then......but stars of track and field have agreed to play truck only on the condition that they have a v.i.p. area, which consists of a big tent surrounded by a cardboard castle, with a david hasslehoff flag flying..how kool is that? rumours have it that the excellent moonkat are considering making a my little pony style dream castle in an attempt to outkool them..will they succeed? come to truck and find out! anyway, just thought you'd all like to know about that..i'm sunburnt and headachy, but happy for only one exam is left before..5 more weeks of hard toil. but hey! summer's here! yey yey yey yey yey. au revoir mes petites etoiles [and i got an A in french! i knew i had some reason to be hyper..] *bug* ___________________________________________ ***the tiny zine on the net*** http://ds.dial.pipex.com/sage/tartrazine ***and the best band in oxford*** http://ds.dial.pipex.com/sage/moonkat +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mlucey at xxx.edu Fri Jun 18 20:49:14 1999 From: mlucey at xxx.edu (Michael Lucey) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:49:14 -0700 Subject: Sinister: legrand whatever Message-ID: <4.1.19990618121510.00966130@socrates.berkeley.edu> Chris McQuain, who has pleasantly complimented my on my filmic taste, whereas my film buff friends consider me a rank amateur, wistfully complained: >>>>>I previously asked Mr. Lucey to let me know where, oh where may I obtain Michel Legrand's pop recordings? CD titles, please? I shall weep into my pillow until he delivers. Legrand's music for Godard's My Life to Live is in my top 5 film scores ever. I read the brilliant comments of sinistereens in digest form, and too quickly, apparently, since I missed that request when it first came along.... OK, I know him mainly as a film composer so soundtracks are in fact a great place to hear his stuff, like in the inimitable "Umbrellas of Cherbourg" or "Young Girls of Rochefort". He also did the music for the cool film--or should I say the film about coolness-- "the thomas Crowne affair" in which faye dunaway is, well, cool, and which includes the classic "the windmills of your mind". Some of his other great songs are from films i've never seen. "What are you doing the rest of your life?" is apparently from something called "The Happy Ending". "Little Boy Lost" -- a b&s kind of song if there ever was one, and one i've loved dearly since childhood-- is from a film called "Pieces of Dreams" that i've never seen. Flash: my boyfriend, looking over my shoulder as I type, says "you want Michel Legrand, I'll give you Michel Legrand," and pops "the best of scott walker" on the record player. Walker does a killer version of "I will wait for you." Go get it. Other cool versions of songs: there's a jazz singer named earl coleman who does a sultry version of "what are you doing". I have it on a compilation some one gave me, so don't know where it's from. Tony Bennett and Bill Evans did two albums together (yes, it's true) and on the second one, called "together again", they do a version of "you must believe in spring." Some people think the Bennett/Evans albums sound ugly, but that song at least is cool. Abbey Lincoln does that song too somewhere. Legrand himself is (was?) a pretty happening jazz pianist himself. Evidence being a record I found a couple months ago called "Michel Legrand with Ray Brown and Shelly Manne at Shelly's Manne-Hole." (I kid you not.) It's on Verve and it's fun. Don't know if it's been reissued on cd. He does a version of his "Watch What Happens" --Betty Carter does a cool version of that one somewhere too. He also does a cool version of the Johnny "Shadow of Your Smile" Mandel song, "A Time for Love.'" I kind of think of Johnny Mandel and Michel Legrand as peas in a pod sometimes. Anyway, gone on long enough. Sorry if I bored you. ;-) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From travelling_light at xxx.com Sat Jun 19 05:45:39 1999 From: travelling_light at xxx.com (Kin Woo) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:45:39 PDT Subject: Sinister: Philippe, if you're out there won't you hear me?:) Message-ID: <19990619044541.51279.qmail@hotmail.com> Sinisterines For once (and hopefully this will be the final time) this posting is not as light-hearted and frothy as most of my previous postings. As I am writing to tell of how my trust has been betrayed� by a fellow Sinisterine no less, Philippe Garnier. Yes 'our' very own witty Frenchman with whom I was supposed to conduct a trade with in October last year. Only, that I actually sent MY STUFF (about two tapes worth) to him and never got anything in return. And it's been, count it, about six months folks. I know I know (and I'm addressing this to you Philippe too) that he had to go leave France for America for work and all that but I don't think that gives anyone the right to ignore someone else like that. I mean we all have other priorities other than music, but taping three C90's worth of music is not going to take up too much of anyone's time. I don't know if I should be writing this sort of stuff to the list, but I just don't know who else to turn to. I love being on this list a lot, and implicitly trust the people on it. When I went to London, so many fantastic, beautiful people pitched in, telling me the best places to shop and offering to meet me and all that. So I presumed that everyone on this list would be like that. And at the beginning, Philippe seemed like that too. When I first joined the list, I remember that Philippe was the one who so generously taped the Black Sessions and distributed it to a person in each continent so that they could dub for other listees in that particular continent. Which I thought was a particularly nice thing to do. So I really don't know what to make of him and the situation now. In the past few months I have written more than six emails to him, all unanswered, and yet he still finds time to write to the list. So to me it seems like he is ignoring me. Now, I will be forever deprived of a copy of the B&S Black Sessions (yes this was around the time of all the talk of their Black Sessions, that's how long ago it all was), as well as the Tindersticks, Divine Comedy and Nick Cave black sessions too. Oh woe is me! I missed out on so many trades, in the mistaken and misguided belief that Philippe would honour our agreement. My first instinct is always to be kind and generous and give people the benefit of the doubt but there is always a limit. I have conducted so many successful trades already so I had no reason to not trust Philippe. Philippe, if you're out there, I still believe in the goodness of mankind and in particular, of this special list full of very special people. So please please please, do NOT ignore me (a very unfair and cruel thing to do) and write back, and above all, HONOUR OUR AGREEMENT!!!:) Well for the time being, I hope I haven't broken any rules of the list and hope my fears will be allayed as soon as possible Till later listees With A Star Upon Your Shoulder Lighting Up The Path As You Walk ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Snowinsumr at xxx.com Sat Jun 19 07:00:06 1999 From: Snowinsumr at xxx.com (Snowinsumr at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:00:06 EDT Subject: Sinister: Philippe, if you're out there won't you hear me?:) Message-ID: <1496bd8c.249c8be6@aol.com> dear everyone on this biscuit nibbling, cardie wearing list... philippe is very sweet...trust me, he made me smile when i thought that i would never smile again...and i do not like that this has been brought about to the list because it seems more like tattling than a plea for philippe to read or for someone else to make an offer for those sessions on tape...a better way of going about writing to the list about this would have been: a) making sure that the letter had not been so long... b) making sure that it was not so overdramatic... it seems too based on getting everyone else's sympathy and that makes me sad...this is the sinister mailing list...home of jelly-filled happy tummies and kittens playing in giant piles of leaves... shy hugs... meganelise (whom is already feeling bad about this response but feels the need to say something as she cares very much about philippe and wants everyone to know that he is NOT a bad person in even the slightest of ways...i'm sorry...) In a message dated 6/18/1999 9:47:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, travelling_light at hotmail.com writes: << Subj: Sinister: Philippe, if you're out there won't you hear me?:) Date: 6/18/1999 9:47:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: travelling_light at hotmail.com (Kin Woo) Sender: owner-sinister at Majordomo.net Reply-to: travelling_light at hotmail.com (Kin Woo) To: sinister at Majordomo.net Sinisterines For once (and hopefully this will be the final time) this posting is not as light-hearted and frothy as most of my previous postings. As I am writing to tell of how my trust has been betrayed by a fellow Sinisterine no less, Philippe Garnier. Yes 'our' very own witty Frenchman with whom I was supposed to conduct a trade with in October last year. Only, that I actually sent MY STUFF (about two tapes worth) to him and never got anything in return. And it's been, count it, about six months folks. I know I know (and I'm addressing this to you Philippe too) that he had to go leave France for America for work and all that but I don't think that gives anyone the right to ignore someone else like that. I mean we all have other priorities other than music, but taping three C90's worth of music is not going to take up too much of anyone's time. I don't know if I should be writing this sort of stuff to the list, but I just don't know who else to turn to. I love being on this list a lot, and implicitly trust the people on it. When I went to London, so many fantastic, beautiful people pitched in, telling me the best places to shop and offering to meet me and all that. So I presumed that everyone on this list would be like that. And at the beginning, Philippe seemed like that too. When I first joined the list, I remember that Philippe was the one who so generously taped the Black Sessions and distributed it to a person in each continent so that they could dub for other listees in that particular continent. Which I thought was a particularly nice thing to do. So I really don't know what to make of him and the situation now. In the past few months I have written more than six emails to him, all unanswered, and yet he still finds time to write to the list. So to me it seems like he is ignoring me. Now, I will be forever deprived of a copy of the B&S Black Sessions (yes this was around the time of all the talk of their Black Sessions, that's how long ago it all was), as well as the Tindersticks, Divine Comedy and Nick Cave black sessions too. Oh woe is me! I missed out on so many trades, in the mistaken and misguided belief that Philippe would honour our agreement. My first instinct is always to be kind and generous and give people the benefit of the doubt but there is always a limit. I have conducted so many successful trades already so I had no reason to not trust Philippe. Philippe, if you're out there, I still believe in the goodness of mankind and in particular, of this special list full of very special people. So please please please, do NOT ignore me (a very unfair and cruel thing to do) and write back, and above all, HONOUR OUR AGREEMENT!!!:) Well for the time being, I hope I haven't broken any rules of the list and hope my fears will be allayed as soon as possible Till later listees >> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Travt45 at xxx.com Sat Jun 19 08:53:00 1999 From: Travt45 at xxx.com (Travt45 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 03:53:00 EDT Subject: Sinister: sorry, i did that Message-ID: <95cb775.249ca65c@aol.com> sorry to everyone, i wanted to change out of digest form and mailed it to the list on axident, what a way to make you first post. travis +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From painbirds at xxx.com Sat Jun 19 09:27:31 1999 From: painbirds at xxx.com (Craig-Lee Thompson) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 01:27:31 PDT Subject: Sinister: rework love and have dog on wheels... Message-ID: <19990619082731.1842.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello to you reading this, This point may have been made in the past but I have not the time nor patience to find out. The point being, aside from comparisons with The Smiths and Nick Drake, does the B&S track Dog on Wheels (and the entire e.p, in terms of general sound, for that matter)not remind all of the Love tracks 'A house is not a motel'(in terms of bass riff) as well as 'Alone again or'(in terms of trumpet). This comparison of course is not something to be scoffed at with Arthur Lee considered one of the greatest Lyricists and the Love album 'Forever changes' one of the all time greatest albums!! I realise this points to my ignorance in having only listened to the e.p for the first time today. However, consider for a moment that this e.p will one day be retro and if I am listening to retro sounds in the modern day I am in fact a futurist and ahead of my time... Think about it... Thank you kindly for your time, Craig-Lee ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From seaborne at xxx.nl Sat Jun 19 10:34:33 1999 From: seaborne at xxx.nl (Koen) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:34:33 +0200 Subject: Sinister: I'm going to see the Matrix on Monday Message-ID: <000701beba37$06880e20$63866dc2@seaborne> Hi Sinister people, here's a snippet from a Grant McLennan interview I found on Tallulah, the Go-Betweens mailing list: " That warm reception may be partially due to a new appreciation among the indie cognoscenti for the style of pop that the Go-Betweens pioneered. For instance, it's easy to hear their gentle spirit and literary bent in the music of Belle and Sebastian. Says McLennan, "The last few times we've been to Glasgow, the Belle and Sebastian people have been at the shows, and we've gotten the chance to know them. They are very honest and forthright in their love of what we do. I'm glad that there's a band as good as them. There's enough people who want to turn the amps up to 10 and put the fuzz pedals on." " It's always nice to find your theories confirmed. B&S kept reminding me of the GB's, or maybe it'was the other way around, but I feel there's a spiritual (for lack of better word) kinship between B&S and the GB's, at least for me. I just spend 15 minutes trying to describe (find) similarities, but the best I can come up with is thay I love them both, and that GB-wise I'm in the same state of mind like I was last year, when I just got my "Arab Strap" promo and a ticket to Shepherds Bush, and I was almost incapable of playing anything but B&S. Oh, there's a pic of my newly-born niece and me in the gallery. I'm off now to find the six degrees of separation between Brian Wilson and Stuart Murdoch, Koen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Sat Jun 19 18:06:00 1999 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:06:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sophie and Eddy Message-ID: Hello, It's my birthday today and by the law of averages and a scientific calculator it's also nearly 2 other people's. So a very happy birthday to the other two, and I don't mean the New Order married couple. I've also been using my calculator to work out how to post something that appeals to 3 out of 4 Sinister's. Obviously I didn't manage this but I worked out how to spell sausages upside down on it. Cool. Annoyingly I didn't manage to win Super Furry Animals tickets for their gig in London today, especially seeing as several friends went. If anyone did go can they please refrain from telling me how good it was. It's just finished and I already know how good it was in intimate detail. Bragging isn't big or clever. I just ordered loads of CD's on the internet instead. Do they not know I can't afford it? Can't wait to get my mitts on Arthur Lee's "Vindicator" and some Yo La Tengo. Can someone let me know what Tullycraft albums are like as I heard "Belinda" today and it's ace (Is this where you say PRIVATELY?). Must dash I'm off out on the piss, Te ra, Martin P.S Can I wish Sophie and Prince Eddy all the best for their lives together. Bless 'em. It'll end in tears... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bug at xxx.uk Sat Jun 19 21:10:21 1999 From: bug at xxx.uk (bUgleT) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:10:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: and songs to fall-out-of-love to Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990619211021.007d9cc0@mail.netkonect.co.uk> J. D. Salinger wrote: >Here is my useful nugget of advice:= > on >those long dark evenings of the soul, DO NOT under any circumstance lis= >ten >to the following songs: > > > >Broken Heart - Spiritualized > >No Distance Left To Run - Blur > >Miss Misery - Elliott Smith > >Boy Done Wrong Again > >etc. (I thought of lots more last night, but now I am at work the creat= >ive >half of my brain has shut down, and I am running on the 3%* required to= > >perform my duties competently). > >Just don't do it. no no no mr salinger..you've got it all wrong. yes, to listen to these songs would *seem* to be a suicide wish/blatant act of wallowing in self pity, yet it is important to listen to these songs after you have broken up w/ yr beloved as it is part of the essential healing process thingymijig [which doesn't sound as pretentious as it probably does..no really]. i broke up w/ my 'other-half' type personage about a month ago..it was pretty upsetting, and still is [especially as i made the stupid mistake of going to see his band the other night, an activity i haven't done since the billions of times i did it when we were together. it was not a good idea..the lyrics to some of the songs were quite distressing ("i need you all the time", and it's probably just as well that i'd already run out when they played 'lucky strike', which used to get dedicated to me and my cigarettes. ouch. anyway, where was i......]. but yeeees, that's the reason these songs are written - spiritualized's broken heart' is an excellent record to get all those irritating tears that keep leaking out unexpectedly out of yr system in one big almighty sobbing session. other songs you didn't include are: *beth orton - 'i wish i never saw the sunshine' [before you all start i *know* she didn't write it] *blur - 'tender' [just for certain lines..] .....and i'll give you some more later. au revoir fr now, though.. *bug* ___________________________________________ ***the tiny zine on the net*** http://ds.dial.pipex.com/sage/tartrazine ***and the best band in oxford*** http://ds.dial.pipex.com/sage/moonkat +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From winoinc at xxx.com Sun Jun 20 00:25:53 1999 From: winoinc at xxx.com (jorge guerrero) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:25:53 PDT Subject: Sinister: and songs to fall-out-of-love to Message-ID: <19990619232554.12209.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: bUgleT >Reply-To: bUgleT >To: sinister at Majordomo.net >Subject: Sinister: and songs to fall-out-of-love to >Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 21:10:21 +0100 > >J. D. Salinger wrote: > > >Here is my useful nugget of advice:= > > on > >those long dark evenings of the soul, DO NOT under any circumstance lis= > >ten > >to the following songs: > > > > > > > >Broken Heart - Spiritualized > > > >No Distance Left To Run - Blur > > > >Miss Misery - Elliott Smith > > > >Boy Done Wrong Again > > > >etc. (I thought of lots more last night, but now I am at work the creat= > >ive > >half of my brain has shut down, and I am running on the 3%* required to= > > > >perform my duties competently). > > > >Just don't do it. > >no no no mr salinger..you've got it all wrong. yes, to listen to these >songs would *seem* to be a suicide wish/blatant act of wallowing in self >pity, yet it is important to listen to these songs after you have broken up >w/ yr beloved as it is part of the essential healing process thingymijig >[which doesn't sound as pretentious as it probably does..no really]. i >broke up w/ my 'other-half' type personage about a month ago..it was pretty >upsetting, and still is [especially as i made the stupid mistake of going >to see his band the other night, an activity i haven't done since the >billions of times i did it when we were together. it was not a good >idea..the lyrics to some of the songs were quite distressing ("i need you >all the time", and it's probably just as well that i'd already run out when >they played 'lucky strike', which used to get dedicated to me and my >cigarettes. ouch. anyway, where was i......]. but yeeees, that's the reason >these songs are written - spiritualized's broken heart' is an excellent >record to get all those irritating tears that keep leaking out unexpectedly >out of yr system in one big almighty sobbing session. other songs you >didn't include are: > >*beth orton - 'i wish i never saw the sunshine' [before you all start i >*know* she didn't write it] >*blur - 'tender' [just for certain lines..] >......and i'll give you some more later. >au revoir fr now, though.. >*bug* >___________________________________________ > >***the tiny zine on the net*** >http://ds.dial.pipex.com/sage/tartrazine > >***and the best band in oxford*** > >http://ds.dial.pipex.com/sage/moonkat >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Sun Jun 20 04:03:50 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:03:50 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Another Tigermilk Message-ID: Was there somebody making a 'registry' of orig. Tigermilk vinyl? I finally got mine and of course it's pure gratification. Yes, somehow a copy made its way to Portland, where it was purchased in 1997 for a standard retail price by a wily pop investor, who in turn sold it to moi, who has no plans of ever letting it go. My question is: What information does this meticulous person (I wish I could remember who you are, but I can't!) need? Is there a serial number on there, or...? Each copy must be kept track of, like the precious works of art they are. Ciao 'til the flip side... -Chris :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Miette76 at xxx.com Sun Jun 20 04:21:27 1999 From: Miette76 at xxx.com (Miette76 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:21:27 EDT Subject: Sinister: looper dates in england? Message-ID: <4961d2a4.249db837@aol.com> hello. i will admit that i have not been keeping up on the sinister postings, so i do apologize if this has already been discussed but i am curious to know about looper dates. i had been planning on seeing Looper when they came to the states as they will be playing here on july 17th yet i will now be in London for that time and i will miss them again...(seeing that my sluggishness in the chalet kept me from seeing them at bowlie). so... does anyone know if Looper will play in england anytime soon? thank you. ciao. esme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Sun Jun 20 11:49:20 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:49:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Youre chosen as an extra for a movieadaptation of yourlife Message-ID: Listerines, > P.S. Just as an aside what do you do to stop you from feeling depressed? I > know friends of mine go out and get hammered, others cut themselves with a > knife, and some go for along drive. I make compilation tapes of songs > which remind me opf the problem. it's not the greatest solution. So I'm > looking for new techniques. I have a feeling I'll get in to trouble for saying this, but spending money seems to help. When it's not yours, obviously. Taking your depression out on other people who annoy you? moping round the house for three weeks? Shopping, definatley the best option. Come and have a go if you think you're shallow enough! Erica x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Mon Jun 21 00:33:46 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:33:46 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Treatment for depression Message-ID: My personal cure for depression: Avoid ALL prescripto-chemicals like Prozac and Zoloft (which, at least for men, can diminish the capacity for sexual arousal), and take the herbal supplement St. John's Wort. It's available in pill form, much less expensive than the aforementioned chemical treatments, at your local Safeway. It doesn't, as is a popular myth about antidepressants, change your personality in the slightest. What it does do is give you a perfectly natural ability to cope with negative feelings- you're still fully aware of them, still feeling them, but it doesn't make you feel so hopeless. This has been brought to you by the St. John's Wort Council of America... -Two or Three Things I Know About Chris +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.EDU Mon Jun 21 06:20:54 1999 From: ynoh at xxx.EDU (Youn Jong Noh) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: ~cabaret punks - we salute you! Message-ID: Robin's syntax for sarcasm is best: more economical than mine (2 symbols as opposed to 3) but unambiguous. I will adopt the further convention that sentence-initial tilde has scope over the entire sentence. Yesterday I went to watch my sister try on bridal gowns. It was lots of fun! Now I know the origin of 'bustle' as a verb - the movement in a certain part of a gown as the bride makes haste ... I get to do it cos I'm gonna be the bridesmaid, do the bustle that is. I get to wear a real dress. It's gonna be a sheath - gunmetal grey satiny material with an interesting foldover thing at the neckline, granted - not a very good description. There was a depressing part, too - when my sister talked about how much weight she wanted to lose in front of the girl who was helping us who was so nice who was so obviously heavier than she. The girl was beautiful though, auburn hair and greenish grey eyes and a really sweet demeanor and her eye makeup was expertly applied - I've never seen anything like it - could be out of Seventeen - or even from the back of the applicators - a perfect angle from the corner of the eye - grey eyeshadow. I watched Henry Fool today on video. Hal Hartley has improved tremendously as a director. At university, I watched one of his films (the one about the professor who has a brief affair with a student; Flirt which is more recent is also better than this; find it intriguing that he has a japanese girlfriend, partner, whatever - intriguing mostly cos he has to order two caterers according to the credits) and it was all wrong - a mistake - and though there were redeeming parts, i.e. the homeless woman - some parts were just hard to take, i.e. when they break out in a song and dance routine (someone complained about the Simpsons on the same lines). But Henry Fool is great! The film critics on the list - do they take Hal Hartley seriously? Read the beginning of Soft Touch at the bookstore but was distracted by the accent and couldn't finish. Didn't really want to. I make the mistake of equating Stuart with every male character (sometimes even female) that he sings about. And who can match his sensibility? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Mon Jun 21 07:12:47 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:12:47 EDT Subject: Sinister: NW Picnic and other Delights Message-ID: <8b63497.249f31df@aol.com> Okay I'm trying not to talk too much, being at home with my parents last week left me with too much time on my hands. Now I'm safe at my real West Coast home. NW Belle and Sebastian Picnic! Sunday June 27th, 2PM at Priest Point Park in Olympia. The Park office is closed today so I'll have to post directions later on in the week. Basically you come to Olympia, find 4th Ave, head over past State Ave on Plum, go that direction along the water until you find East Bay Drive, and then the park. I'll hang blue balloons so you can find your way to our picnic spot. Please bring food and drinks and games. My high school had a dual vcr for converting nstc to pal and vice versa (for the language classes, we got to watch Beethoven's Second in French)....so I would check the community college because they might have the equipment in their library or media loan department. I was talking to a boy at the Olympia Experimental Music Festival last night who had gotten a request for Belle and Sebastian on his radio show. He said he knew it was a kids show, and started scanning all the Disney soundtracks because he knew there were characters named Belle and Sebastian in their recent cartoons. It was against his better thought though, that there was a show about a boy and a dog called Belle and Sebastian. Right now I'm making him a tape of TBWTAS...not because it's the best, but because it's the only one I have on CD and can dub without my roommate hearing. I was thinking it would be nice if we had badges for the listfolk. Something not terribly obvious, the word SIN in cursive with a heart dotting the i perhaps? I'd be willing to coordinate it, just e-mail me privately or include a yeah or nay in your posts. >I was very disappointed when Leo Di Bloody Caprio >got Yummy Ewan's role in the film version of "The >Beach". Don't be too sad. There is a boycott of that movie because the company totally paid off the local government to destroy the beach vegetation where they were filming. They went so far as to bring in non native plants to make it look "more realistic" on film or some crap like that. Love Courtney +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Mon Jun 21 07:49:48 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 23:49:48 PDT Subject: Sinister: skinny boy, one of the girls Message-ID: <19990621064949.42988.qmail@hotmail.com> You should se my face. Sunburnt. BADLY. Really. It's as red as those cherrytomatos I ate on saturday. Please, do not write anything that makes me laugh, 'cause I can't change the expression on my face without feeling this burning sensation on my face. Even lifting my eyebrowns makes me scream inside. Ah yes, festivalfrenzy. 20000 finns (and quite a few swedes, which was surprising) going bonkers while Blur is playing Song2. Yes, you should've been there. Or maybe not. Blur was shit, you see. Oh, but I'm getting ahead of things now. So here, since I'm going to be a FAMOUS popjournalist, is my little list of bands that performed at Provinssirock 1999. -Blur: A bit shit, like I said. But that's my own fault, I haven't listened to that new album almost at all. But the encores were good, the old stuff. And Jubilee rocked. -Manic Street Preachers: Ah yes, now were talking. One of the highpoints of the festival. What I admire the most about them is their refusal to play encores. "Oh, we'll just go away for a while and let them clap their hands together, then we'll come back and thank them and continue playing". Urgh. Blur did that twice. -Stereophonics: Nope, they cancelled. =( -Jimi Tenor: Spending my time in the beertent while he played. Didn't see much of him, but it sounded pretty good. -Skunk Anasie: Bollocks. I've never liked them and never will. "Selling Jesus" is a good song, though. -"Shut up now, no-one wants to hear this." And so he shut himself up. Wore something B&S-related every day in there. A few fingers pointed at my direction, but no-one came up to me to talk, so I didn't meet any new people. Which was one of the reasons I wanted to get there. But no, I just strolled around the festival-area, ate food and drank a few beers. But one thing that a noticed there: about 50 per cent of the people who go to festivals are idiots. Really. It's so nice to sit on the grass on sunday morning when an idiot comes up to you and asks if I have any booze, and when I say "no" he just insists that I have and la-di-da-di-di-da (du-dem-da-dum-dadada-dum). And really, where do those strange hippie people live when they aren't utterly pissed/stoned/drugged up on the campingarea? Just a thought. And the best thing to do when you wake up in those festivals: Look for the red bitemarks on peoples necks. Some people try to hide them, some people carry them with pride. Why? Only God knows, and if he's reading this, I hope he doesn't answer. Why some some people (usually 16-year old teens) want to show that they had a wild two minutes in a tent with a guy/girl they've never met (two minutes that end up when the guy gets his dick out and after 90 seconds of oh, so clumsy and passionate penetration it's all over, which is usally the case), I have no idea. I hope that sentance made some sense. And NO, I'm not talking about myself, you silly people. Really, I have friends that can back me up on that one. Ah well, life is sweet. And then I start working. @--->--- a rose and blahblahblah, Jace le petit. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Mon Jun 21 11:39:29 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:39:29 -0700 Subject: Sinister: kiss me kiss me kiss me (delete if impatient) Message-ID: <000301bebbd2$59149540$1a11020a@rebelstrange> *WARNING ANOTHER BORING POST BY ME ABOUT ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, I'M NOT KIDDING THIS TIME. DELETE IF YOU HATE SUCKY RAMBLING THAT IS TOTALLY OFF TOPIC AND NON-RELATED TO ANYTHING AND IS JUST AN EXCUSE FOR ME TO BLATHER ON* what up all sinister bee-otches in da house th't i would check in wit da crew even tho i havent' read the list in a week cos my FRIGGIN MAIL IS DOWN AGAIN what is this like the 17th time this month?? apologies if anyeon tried to mail me. i haven't been able to reply to anyone cos i can't get to the messages i had. if anyone cares you can email me at trollopinpaisley at fcmail.com i think i'm gonna put up a new picture on my page, just for fun until i get the actual new page ready which will probably take forever, i will put up one of my new characters i just drew, the very *sexy* trixycybele, puritans stay away!!! warning, this is a totally non-topical exhibitionist mail, delete if yr squeamish or if you don't like my rambly posts. i just feel like talking to someone so why not a thousand people. well that just proved how egocentric i am. Let me tell you a little update story. Enter a certain Art girl. enter me hanging out periodically with art girl, once getting pissed at art girl, then realizing there was no reason to be pissed and regaining my bearings, thanks in part to the understanding wisdom of CHRISTA my homie. Enter my dyke friend Sam telling art girl i have a crush on her, and art girl saying she knew all a long and she didn't want a 'relationship' rt now but she still thinks i'm really cool and wants to hang out with me. Enter me meeting up with art girl and sam on friday afternoon, being embarrassed, playing "she's losing it' on sam's guitar, then taking the evening to art girls pizza place where some slacker guys promise to give us free pitchers of beer. we chat it up all over the place and get all friendly like, and i drink 2 glasses of beer before i'm like going partially out of my head. fuck. i c an drink a whole bottle of champagne and not get THAT dizzy. i vowed to drink no more that night and i did not. me and art girl start talking about art (what else?) and i think i spilled guts to her about something dumb like how insecure i am, and what a huge romantic clingy person i am. she seems to say that she feels the same way, or some such rubbish. after a while we stumble to the bar down the street. by this time i'm just wanting to fall asleep, or cry, or something. i kept looking over at artgirl and having to look away cos i couldn't stare into her eyes and she kept asking if i was okay. i was slumped over on the table drinking water as fast as i could though a tiny little straw, hopeing it would get rid of the feeling i was feeling, which was abject embarrassment and emotional train-wreck. she was dancing for a couple minutes and looked so fine. we 3 started discussing dancing. sam and i can't dance. someone mentioned slow dancing. in a flash of brilliance, or stupidity, i blurted out that in my present state of mind, i wouldn't be loath to slow dance with someone, which was the truth. i felt like a total moron. Art girl says " i would totally slow dance with you" and then the chick playing guitar started playing a slow song, and sam shoved me off the chair and i followed artgirl to the dance floor where 2 other girls were dancing, they looked awfully straight though, i'm not sure what their deal was, but who cares. art girl took me by the hand and she put her arm around my waist and one on my shoulder and i did the same. she held my hands and danced against me and twirled me and she put her cheek next to mine and she stared me in the eye closer and closer, and i had to keep looking away, because i was so embarrassed i wanted to kiss her so badly and she acted like she wanted to, but i'm not the smartest person about those things, and i had never danced wiht ANYONE in my life. i was scared stiff and could see sam over hte way, rudely watching us and it made me more embarrassed, but she was such a good dancer she made it easy for me, and i held her tighter and grasped her shoulder and she said "you're so cool" and she looked at me like "if we weren't in public i would throw you down and ravage you like a wild tiger". i could have stayed that way forever. at the end of the song she kissed me on the cheek. so softly, and took my hand and we left the dance floor, and i promptly started trembling and i collapsed onto the table and for the rest of the time i just gazed into space like a drugged deer that just got tagged on the ear...except when we went to play the jukebox and i played Abba "waterlloo" but we had to leave before it played and i was bitter about that. i stayed up at sam's whiniing and talking and waiting to get sober, and at about 4 am i drove home listening to Nick Drake (thanks james) and i thought of how gently she kissed me on the cheek, and cried just a little, and spent most of the weekend in a dream state worrying and fretting and wondering what the hell i am going to do, and making her another tape. i'm fucking serious. no one has ever kissed me before in my life, or held my hand even jsut a little tiny bit. i'm going totally insane. it's belle and sebastian all over again. and again. what the hell.......my gramma is banging aroudn downstairs, it's friggin 4-30 in the morning. anyway. i know that was a big lot of nothing and someone will probalby be pissed at me for posting such non-topical garbage, but i guessed i could slip by since i havne't posted anything for like over a week. and i wanted to tell someone(s) about what happened and that i've never wanted so badly in my life for someone to sweep me off my feet.................. i need to listen to francoise hardy, but instead i've been listening to Lida Husik and Gusgus and dead can dance all weekend, except when i made her the tape, i put "Like Dylan in the MOvies" on it because she is real big into bob dylan. i know how ridiculous it is, but i just dont' care. i want something that i shouldn't even bother with, and i want it BAD. it's like potato chips, you can't have just one. it's scary as all hell to have a real life that seems more like a dream. the only time any one ever has held me was in dreams. and i'm OLD. OLD OLD OLD> she's younger than me and been around a million more times. i'll probaby get my heart trashed. i had a dream last night something about B/S acutally, the band was there, it was like a concert. christa was there. stuart M looked way bigger than in real life, he was very tall and had huge muscles and looked like a big oaf. but isobel was cute. i dreamed about restaurants and canaries and fish aquariums and Hello JESSSSSSSSSS are you there, girlfriend HUGS to alyssa marie the sweetie write me ! XO to christa maybe see you in DC BABY xavier, i need to write you, your band sounds fab and everyone else i need to write too, i need to call my ISP tomorrow and get my mails. GRRRRR what does a Welsh accent sound like?? what kind of accent did that girl have on AbFab who played the dippy blonde chick? i loved her accent. i forget her name rt now. sorry / i'm interested by different accents. what is Ramsbottoms? i think i should go now before i just make a bigger ass of myself. as for my sinister friends, i shall communicate with you in the rather near future, if all goes as planned. --Rosa Bonheur (LJ) http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange they were like those gauche youths who turn up to house parties only to cling to the dark corners in chaste disdain, driven by the naive, vaguely inhuman conviction that all merriment is a lie. SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From j_kerswell at xxx.com Mon Jun 21 11:18:20 1999 From: j_kerswell at xxx.com (Magpie Jay) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:18:20 PDT Subject: Sinister: The visually impaired sultana Message-ID: <19990621101821.33565.qmail@hotmail.com> ~~....~~ The subject line is not related to Hans Moleman (my first and only yellow reference), but the creepy Mass Blind date I became entangled in that i told you about, and Spanners feared may be a cult initiation thing. Before i go down that road however, i must add some exciting news to the depression thread. I read this morning that they ( 'they' being the starchy powers that be) are making Tortilla chips laced with St Johns Wort! These are part of a new herbalised snack market sector that is apparantly kicking in the states. So you really will be able to take comfort in junk food soon. Bio-prozac rules. Well, my mass blind date didnt go according to plan exactly, but was an interesting evening nonetheless. Half thinking it was a scam a la Shooting Fish, i wandered up Cleveland st looking for no:100. I gaped in khaki horror at the gap between numbers 99 and 103. A derelict building for let. Scam, SCAM, SCRAM! I thought disheartedly, before realising that 100 is actually an even number and was on the other side of the street. The premise was that after filling in and emailing an intimate questionaire on life, love and blushes, my perfect match at the party of 100 strangers would be sat opposite me at the table. The room was full of lovely touchy feely folk, any one of whome would have made me a happy camper for the evening, and i even had considered the possibility that my date may be male, as no such eliminating questions were asked! HOWEVER. The girl opposite me was an 18 year old A- level student, who sat next to her friend and talked to her all night, both ignoring their blind dates. Its not the age i minded, or the fact she was quiet. But to be queit, dull AND rude is inexcusable. Worse still she was the spitting image of Celine Dion, and everytime she flashed her side profile i ducked for cover in case her Quebecian missile silo of a nose poked me in the eye. How could Celine Dion be my perfect match?? I was relieved when she lost her ring and i was able to fake looking for it under the table in a bid to avoid having to see her or try in vain to make converstaion with her. To assist me in my search i took the candlestick holder under with me and sat crossed leg beneath the diners. It was strangely seductive being under the banquet table by candlelight, looking at all the shiny shoes and stockinged toes in the flicker of the flames. But paranoia about the plastic table cloth and the slight aroma of singeing made me return to my seat. It was then i discoverd my real date for the evening was at the other end of the table. The poisoned witch that was Celine had switched seating labels with my true date so she could sit with her dead pan fried! The bloke next to me and i got up in disgust and moved our chairs to the other end of the table, abandoning the anti dates. My real date was a real funny, spanish looking girl called Cat Miles Something. With a name like that she had to be a winner. Our first conversation was twisted. She managed to almost convince me she used to be a man, and her neckscarve was actually covering up her adams apple. I'm not a gullable person but not wanting to offend her either way, sort of went along with the joke. She even revealed to me that she has on ocassion used mens urinals, to unfortunate results. While we didnt fall in love over our kebabs or anything had a laugh and I gave her my email address so I'll hopefully catch her on the keys. The embarassing answers fron the questionairre were then used as a parlour game..."find the person who did X", great for meeting even more people. But embarassing for the girl who had to look 99 people in the eyes after they all found out she once let out a series of fanny (uk) farts in a business meeting! She promptly went home. So there, a sort of testiment to the effectiveness of total blind dates, and further reinforcement to the long standing fact that Celine Dion and all visually derived persons thereof are beeeeeeatch whores from hell. toodles, Jay http://www.members.tripod.com/john_kerswell/artyfarty.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Mon Jun 21 13:35:01 1999 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:35:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: What's that cookin' at the palace tonight Message-ID: Hi chums, I bought some records at the weekend, and today as a matter of fact. Yesterday I bought two singles, one of which was "Waiting for a train" by Flash and the Pan, the top summer 1983 hit, it's great, however, the other, was a Hurrah! single which I bought since Tim Hopkins and the Duke reckon they're great, and I don't believe I've ever heard them before. However I can tell you here and now that it's rubbish, totally boring complete rubbish. Polytechnic of Pop? School of SHITE more like! OK Belle and Sebastian news, or at least vaguely related, there's going to be a new V-Twin single out soon, followed by an album some time. Out of lots of young bands, I'd be more tempted to buy V-Twin records not because they are completely brilliant or anything as stands, but they do different stuff and I believe have the potential to be good in time. Also, it seems that the bloke who did the "Lego Street Preachers" which are the Manic Street Preachers immortalized in little lego blokes, is going to do Belle and Sebastian too, which should be a laugh. I've also just bought the Beta Band's record, which so far is pretty good, if you read the NME last week you'll have seen them going on about how their record is (according to themselves) "Rubbish", and "Definitely one of the worst records this year". That's not true, it's pretty good. I also bought the Shack record, but I haven't listened to it yet, maybe I'll report on that one later. Me and some other people might be running a club in Glasgow pretty soon, so hopefully some of you might be able to make it along, we think it's going to be called "B-Movie" at the moment, and it'll probably be a once-a-month affair, and it probably won't cost much, I for one don't plan to make a profit out of it, and I'm sure the others will feel the same. Also, some of you might be interested, I dug out that old document I put together with loads of Belle and Sebastian articles on it, plus I've found a shedload more in my desk at work, so I'm going to stick it all up on my website for you to look at some time in the next week. Love, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hopkinstim at xxx.com Mon Jun 21 13:45:18 1999 From: hopkinstim at xxx.com (Tim Hopkins) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Converted! (NBSC, sorry) Message-ID: <19990621124518.22500.rocketmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Hello chaps, Sorry I haven't written for a while. The fact is, I have been out of the country on a fact finding mission. I set off with the intention of going all the way to Misery, which is a minor provincial town in an obscure former Soviet republic named Sobriety, but I was kidnapped by bandits, blindfolded, abused abominably, then shuttled between the twin rough encampments of Drunk and Disgusting. So you see, I have an excuse. My time in captivity made me realise that, by Jingo, I have been curmudgeonly and closed-minded all these years. So, since my return, I have taken the opportunity to listen with a new open-mindedness to all the recommendations which some of you have been kind enough to post for me while I've been away. On the subject of the Jefferson Airplane, well, how wrong I have been! They are indeed not the kind of addled, stinking hippy filth that should have no place anywhere near audio equipment in a civilised country. No! 'Surrealistic Pillow' is an appropriate and fabulous name for an album so packed full of passion, fervour and wit. Oh yes, it also seems that Grace Slick does not sing like a half-strangled harpy with a twice life-sized replica of the head of Joan Baez shoved up her arse, after all. I quite agree with The Artist Soon To Be Known As Carsmile Steve Again that the Bee Gees are lovely. And their 1960s Hollies-inspired (and oh! how inspired!) 1960s output is every bit as delightful as the 1970s tight pants and wind machine era and the 1990s elder statesmen of transglobal middle of the road pop phase. Brilliance piles upon brilliance, and not once in their careers have they been bandwagon-jumping, crap-haired shovels of guano. My favourite things of all are the fabulous songs they have written for others: 'Heartbreaker', for example, must have been just that for those Bacharach and David fellows. Their hearts must have broken clean in two when they realised what Dionne Warwick could have done if she had been given a properly constructed song to sing. That nice Alasdair Cooke wrote from America how much he loved the Pixies. Which is admirable for a fellow of his age. Rather like his football skills and his lovely thighs. Anyway, it turns out that he is absolutely right about the Pixies. How I ever thought they sounded like a poor quality, tracheotomised Krokus tribute with an unhealthy farm animal fixation snorting vim and getting low down and dirty with a cattle prod in a pigsty, I can't understand. That loud/soft thing they do is so exciting! And that science fiction thing is so cool! Sadly, Mister Miller, I can't tell you anything about those strange records you mention, on the grounds that Ms. Ross was quite right and I haven't the first foggiest idea what reggae is about. Except 'I Shot The Sheriff' by Eric Clapton. He invented the guitar, you know. Ah, and the dear old Who's 1970s output. What a pleasure it was to listen to it again after all these years. And how true it is that they can't be understood as sweaty, unpalatable, macho, male-menopausal rawk. Because, behind all the grunting and the shouting, the power chords and the cock-thrusting, the lyrics show genuine sensitivity and, yes, even fragility. Especially on 'Squeeze Box'. Why I ever saw them as QPR-supporting, standard issue arena rock pish, less appealing than finding a lump of old, dried Meatloaf jism on your spicy beanburger, I will never know. I'm so happy that I have seen the error of my ways. Oh, and Tag, tennis is still cack. Tootle pip Tim _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Mon Jun 21 14:10:17 1999 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:10:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sorted Message-ID: Right.... Hopkins is back, lets start slagging someone else now, anyone got any ideas? What about Adrian Evans, he hasn't posted for years... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Mon Jun 21 14:22:10 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:22:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Yes, Adrian Evans was great - he had a pit pony, didn't he? Message-ID: <80256797.00497286.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Things have gone a bit quiet. I hope you weren't too put off by Honey's grrring. Rememeber, as long as you've listened to what he says, he likes lurkers to post. As the great big man Tim Hopkins once wrote before one of his Sinister sabbaticals: >> Can I take this opportunity to say that some, indeed most, of you have been lovely, and that there haven't been many days this year when this list has failed to interest or provoke me. This list is a mighty and special thing, but it is also a bit fragile. Take care of it. The best way to take care is to try to make sure that *every time* you post, you put a bit of wit, or a bit of heart into your message. Then everything will be just dandy. I still can't think of a better place to give and receive friendly abuse, to get snarled up in pedantic arguments about pop ethics, to write to 600 strangers about your dreams, or to talk about the best pop group in the world. Whoever that might be today. >> *Sigh* Here are some things you might like to talk about: I don't think I would like Belle & Sebastian so much if they looked rubbish. Does anyone else agree? (NB. I am a very shallow person.) Isn't it funny that a band with such a low profile should have one of the strongest 'images' around? 'Very Belle & Sebastian' has become an adjective in some circles, applied to everything interior design schemes to traffic-calming initiatives. Someone brought up the trumpet solo in 'Dog on Wheels' again. Here's a list of things people have accused B&S of pinching. They even admit the last two. There are many more, I'm sure, of varying degrees of tenuousness - perhaps someone could remind me. Mayfly... 'Telstar' - The Tornados (the stylophone solo) Dog On Wheels... 'Alone again or' - Love (the trumpet solo) Seeing Other People... Peanuts Theme by Vince Guiraldi Lazy Line Painter Jane... 'I Can't Stand It' - The Velvet Underground (the intro) Slow Graffiti... 'The Laughing Gnome' - David Bowie ('so how about it...' / 'I was walking...') The Stars Of Track and Field... 'Shangri-La' - The Kinks The Boy With The Arab Strap... 'Spirit In The Sky' - Norman Greenbaum Le Pastie De La Bourgoisie... 'Theme from Emmerdale Farm' (the guitar riff that precedes each verse) Sleep The Clock Around... 'Another Girl, Another Planet' - The Only Ones (the intro when played live) And - Belle & Sebastian plagiarising themselves: 'The Boy Done Wrong Again' / 'Dirty Dream Number Two' ('what is it I must do to pay for...' / 'A choice is facing you, a healthy...') 'We Rule The School' / 'The Fox In The Snow' 'The Stars Of Track And Field' / 'It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career' 'This Is Just A Modern Rock Song' / 'Lord Anthony' I'm glad I set up my smut-box. Last night on Radio 5 they were talking about sex and violence in the media. One of the guests had a long rant about us! Well, she didn't mention Sinster by name but it was only a very thinly-veiled attack. "The problem with smut," she said "is that people who enjoy being smutty and laughing at words like 'bum' and 'tits' soon become incredibly boring. As smut infects their mind, their conversation becomes begins to revolve around smut and any meaningful content goes out ot the window. Soon smut takes over their whole life and they can't relate to anything but smut. It's just smut, smut and more smut." She really did say smut this many times. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Mon Jun 21 14:36:04 1999 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (marie elia) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: fox in the desert Message-ID: <19990621133604.29649.rocketmail@web126.yahoomail.com> yo, yo, sinister people. first, can i just say that lesley jo's posts are the highlight of my day? i love all (well, most) postings, but LJ -- yrs are sweet and touching and personal and original, and i Never skim through them. two: this past saturday, mercury rev and sparklehorse were playing in the little town of kingston, NY (about 2 hrs north of nyc), which is not far from where i live. and i thought, why the hell are they playing HERE?? turns out mercury rev (or, rather, a few members) are From kingston -- who knew? anyway, i's po' -- so po' that i can't afford the "o" and the "r". so i didn't go. it also looks like i won't be attending the Joan of Arc show this weekend, either, for the same reason, although i Do believe they are playing with CatPower next month, so... anyway, how did i spend my saturday night, if not listening to mercuryrev/sparklehorse, like i shoulda been? well, a trip to barnes&noble, of course. thirdly, i hereby recommend The Little Prince (antoine du sainte exupery -- i'm sure i spelled that wrong). how can a b&s fan go wrong with a story of a little boy who meets a fox in the desert who teaches the little boy the most important thing in life? the boy tames/is-tamed-by the fox, and they become fast friends... oh, the story is c h a r m i n g ... and so sad. i cried at the end (i always cry at endings), which was quite embarrassing, as i was on the metro-north commuter train, on my way home from work.... ramble, ramlbe, and never as good as lesleyjo... take care, marie xoxo === *********************************************** * "if you can hold yr breath * * you can touch the sand with yr hand" * * -karate * *********************************************** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Mon Jun 21 15:22:08 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:22:08 +0200 Subject: Sinister: I've Grown Accustomed to Her Faeces Message-ID: <01bebbf1$71b8c700$LocalHost@itjfvkli> B&S content: Spain's top rock monthly "Rock Deluxe" contains a photo of Staurt David of Belle and Sebastian and Looper. In the photo Mr David is wearing a stripey t-shirt and a pair of glasses, and is sitting behing some kind of keyboard contraption. Beneath the photo is a review of Looper and the Gentle Waves, featuring singers and players from Belle and Sebastian. I know this because I had a look at it in the library, hoping that all the youngsters would see me and think, "Wow! That old timer's really groovy! Let's try and feel his nuts!" I hope that has satisfied those of you who want to discuss B&S on the list, it's not prohibited anyway, people do do it from time to time, there's no real need to set up another list, unless you want to be the boss or use it as a direct marketing tool. Tim, I did something very foolhardy the other day. I actually bought that Lee Perry record without waiting for your advice. Just as well if that's the best you can do. It's called "DRY ACID Lee Perry Productions 1968 - 1969" but it sounds more like it was recorded in 1948. It seems pleasant enough, but hardly earth shattering. The bass sound makes the mirror in the hall rattle though, which is quite an achievement. The Junior Byles and Friends album which Tim mentioned several months ago, "129 Beat Street Ja-Man Special 75-78", is much better, I reckon. Fear not if you can't get a croggy on the back of Duke's bike for the Powderham castle Rock Symphony gig, the whole shebang is coming to Pontevedra in Galicia to do it all again in the municipal sports stadium. Roger Daltry's friends are Eric Burdon (of The Animals, War and Eric Burdon), Zakky Starkey (son of Ringo Starr) and Simon Townsend (son of Pete Townsend), not to mention the huge fuck-off orchestra. No Paul Young though. I'm sure it'll be a great success. We had a medieval market here all weekend, really rather jolly. There was even a medieval Jimi Hendrix giving it some on the acoustic guitar. I see the new cartoon version of "The King and I" has arrived, surely destined to become a classic in the world of oonimation. I think St John's Wort is complete crap. Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Mon Jun 21 18:14:39 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:14:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: We all know you're soft 'cos we've all seen you dancing Message-ID: <376E72FF.15999F01@student.paisley.ac.uk> Struan can't dance. It's official. Last night at the Snow Patrol gig in Maryhill he was standing in front of us, hands in pockets, right leg jiggling backwards and forwards completely out of time with the music. How we laughed, until we realised that it's actually the official band dance, as Stevie was doing exactly the same not ten yards away, with the added head movement (out of time with both leg and music). Richard meanwhile was up on stage shaking his maracas and wiggling his right leg. Those pesky rumours in the West End Festival programme about the special guest having some sort of connection to Snow Patrol's record label, it was Camera Obscura featuring Richard on drums. And I'm deeply saddened to say that much as I wanted to hate Camera Obscura for being thoroughly nasty and ruining the Bowlie football tournament, they were unutterably fantastic. Mind you, none of them bore any resemblance to any of their football team... Oh, for whoever was asking for periodic updates (Youn? I can't check the archives as my internet connection is knacked) about Struan's clothing, he was wearing a pair of black trousers and a white short sleeved shirt. It could have done with a bit of an iron. He looked like he was going to school but had forgotten his tie. He even had a schoolbag with him. Last night after Snow Patrol came off, they played The State I Am In over the PA. Cue a hugely embarrassed Struan clutching his bag and running out of the room as quickly as he could, bless his wee cotton socks :) Does anyone know how we can get a football team into the tournament at All Tamara's Ponies? I've decided to become the team manager, mostly because I only know of two of the original football stars going this time, and I'm sharing a chalet with both of them and that means I get to drink all the alcohol myself as it was several gallons of red wine consumed by said chalet mates that meant we didn't win the bloody thing the last time. I don't think they will necessarily see this abstinence as a good thing in the way that I do. It's for the good of Sinister, boys, you know. Nick Dastoor wrote some stuff about B&S ripping off other songs. The only one I can think of is that Mary Jo rips off A Winter's Tale by David Essex. There's a band playing at the 13th note in Glasgow on Thursday night called Shy Rights Movement, I have no idea what they sound like, but their name is (to coin a phrase) very Belle and Sebastian. Best thing that happened this weekend to me (apart from seeing Stuart and discovering how ace Camera Obscura are) - finding out that Hefner are playing in Glasgow in a fortnight. Worst thing, discovering musical bus shelters in Glasgow that play "Just Looking" by the Stereophonics if people stand up close to them. This is meant to make you want to go to T in the Park. It just made me want to abandon all pretence of tweeness and vandalise the bus shelter. I nearly bought an EP which was the Bill Wells Octet vs Future Pilot AKA, just because Stevie plays guitar on it. Can anyone tell me if it's any good? I bet this wasn't interesting to 75 people on the list, let alone 75%. But I live in hope. Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hopkinstim at xxx.com Mon Jun 21 18:39:57 1999 From: hopkinstim at xxx.com (Tim Hopkins) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Watson's High School for the Hard of Hearing Message-ID: <19990621173957.5877.rocketmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Doctor Watson wrote: > however, the > other, was a Hurrah! single which I bought since Tim > Hopkins and the Duke > reckon they're great, and I don't believe I've ever > heard them before. > However I can tell you here and now that it's > rubbish, totally boring > complete rubbish. Polytechnic of Pop? School of > SHITE more like! Well, there certainly are some dull Hurrah! singles out there. Watson, if you had been listening in lessons instead of picking your nose and eating it and staring out of the window, you would have learned that the only Hurrah! singles worth buying are the first four, all of which are unimpeachably brilliant genius pop music. It therefore must be that you bought one of the others, Keith, because I know you have impeccable taste in music. After all, you are a huge fan of...err...ummm...oh yes, Belle and Sebastian. Nevertheless, it's re-sits for you, boy. 'Tricky' Nicky Dastoor wrote: > I don't think I would like Belle & Sebastian so much > if they looked rubbish. > Does anyone else agree? Well, you know, I flatter myself that I am above such things but the truth is that if they looked one of a few particular *sorts* of rubbish, I would probably be unsettled. If they were all bearded, chunky-aran sweater-wearing-finger-in-ear-oi-that's-my-pewter-tankard-pint-of-yer-Famous-Old-Scroggins-Foaming-Rat's-Tattywater-landlord anal folkie bastards, it might throw a different light on their folk influence. If they were all leather jackets and Classic Rock poses, I might not be so relaxed about them covering Who songs (albeit one of the two Who songs I used to be able to tolerate until my recent conversion to the cause). If they had some kind of carefully thought through and expensively assembled 'look' (like The Proclaimers' colour coded glasses), I'd be worried. I'm not sure why. Something to do with self-delusion on my part, I think. But I have to admit I feel very comfortable with them looking like a bunch of herberts out for a swift half who wandered on stage by accident. I like that. Oh Nick, it seems that I am a very shallow person, too. Bloody wide, though. Cheerio Tim x _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mississippiriver at xxx.com Mon Jun 21 20:15:12 1999 From: mississippiriver at xxx.com (mississippiriver at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 99 11:15:12 PST Subject: Sinister: Looping around philly Message-ID: <199906211824.LAA00557@tigermail.net> i need accompanyment, to such things as looper shows in philly and all tomorrows parties in england. this country is too large i am loud but never loud enough. danielle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your FREE email at http://www.joymail.com VoiceMail over the Internet and Sending email by a regular phone: http://firstgate.joymail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mrlit at xxx.com Mon Jun 21 19:21:50 1999 From: mrlit at xxx.com (mike little) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:21:50 PDT Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk - worth hanging on? Message-ID: <19990621182150.71844.qmail@hotmail.com> I have an original Tigermilk LP, but now it's being re-issued - do you think it's still worth hanging on to? Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Mon Jun 21 22:15:05 1999 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:15:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Very nice matron! Message-ID: <002d01bebc2b$22fd6500$82d5b0c2@default> Nick Dastoor spouted: I don't think I would like Belle & Sebastian so much if they looked rubbish. Does anyone else agree? (NB. I am a very shallow person.) I think that Nicky boy said this just to be controversial. I love Belle And Sebastian, but I don't even have the slightest clue what any of them look like. I also love Radiohead, yet Thom Yorke is the only one I would recognise from that band, so I for one disagree with this statement. Sorry Nick. The G2 Godspeed gig draws ever closer, anyone going? (I know I've asked this before, but I don't know if my post went through properly.) sorry if I repeat too often.... Isn't it great that Tigermilk is re-released just after my birthday, so for once I'll be able to afford a CD I want when it comes out. Hurrah! I must scarper now, I have to turn off the awful Beta Band from my radio, I just don't like them at all. Sorry to all Beta Band fans, please don't swamp me with reasons that they're great, as I don't want to go through that again. ( I once posted to alt.music.uk.alternative that the Beatles were overrated and got 835 messages telling me how wrong I was.) Byeeeeeeeeeeeeee! -- Jason Andreas -- The Romantic Scotsman -- -- supporting DROP THE DEBT-- -- I'll be there for you, unless you need money -- { jasonandreas at breathemail.net } -- contact me ... oh yes! -- -- Spammers WILL be shot... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i.am.sinister at xxx.uk Mon Jun 21 22:05:55 1999 From: i.am.sinister at xxx.uk (Sweetie) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:05:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: burn your feet!!!!!!! Message-ID: <000001bebc31$ff083560$c421883e@anne666theasylum> hello my friends and how are we all this fine evening? i am dandy!! ;) anyway i am sure u r all wondering 'why the subject??' well that is because that is what i am gonna write about!! what u need- 1 pair of cotton socks, your feet(and your friends feet- the more the merrier!!), a lighter. what to do- get on the pair of preferably old cotton socks (must be cotton or i really dont recommend trying this!) and put them on your feet. then fluff them up until they are as good and fluffy as cotton socks can get. then u get a lighter and set it so the flame is as large as it can get, then you set your sock on fire, around the ankle area seems to work best but always make sure that it is well fluffed. and then just sit back and watch the flame engulf your foot! but dont worry the flame will only burn off the fluffy bits- oh yeah but when u r lighting ur sock dont hold the flame to it, just sort of quickly run it past it, otherwise u might burn ur foot off! important notice!!! DO TRY THIS AT HOME!!!!! your friend always sweetie ;oP xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i.am.sinister at xxx.uk Mon Jun 21 23:02:43 1999 From: i.am.sinister at xxx.uk (Sweetie) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:02:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: if i wasnt psychotic i would never have found my true self. Message-ID: <000101bebc31$ffea09e0$c421883e@anne666theasylum> as your grip on reality slips through your fingers like a million grains of smooth coral white sand, you start to see life in a much clearer context. things that lost all meaning when you lost the innocence of youth, and when i say the youth i mean like 5, start to come back to you but now u understand them again, in the same way you did when you were 5. when you are a young child, everything, no matter how abstract, seems to make perfect sense and every question that could possibly ever be asked had an answer and that answer was inside your head, only all things applied and material needed questioning. but as you get older (hey im only 15 and to me this is well apparent) your knowledge seems to drift away, questions need answering. the ultimate and final question that can only ever be answered by another question- why? you go to skule every day, and work your ass off to get good grades, and that question can be applied- why? in the end you always end up in the same place- where you started. ok maybe when you are alive then chances are life will be better, but when the end finally comes, and that is inevitable, what difference will money make? or education? or how good your life was? or how bad? so many people never find their true selfs or their true freinds. we hide behind walls that are invisible, we lock ourselves away so that nobody can 'get in' and we cant get out. we build up an image, a mask, every detail is very precise so as not to give away any clues. for once- no questions asked. happiness- does it exist? can anyone ever be truly happy? will we ever have everything that we want? young kids seem to cope with life so much better, you dont get many suicidal 5yr olds. but as an angst ridden 15 yr old, i can safely say that to me life just seems quite pointless, u dont exist u live u die u r past existance. then if u like u can be reincarnated, but every new story has the same underlying plot. the story is, i believe, best represented by music. what else can provoke such a wide range of emotion? whatevers written in your heart by gerry rafferty to name but one song. real music is the kind that u listen to and you feel the artists words, you are on a higher plane, you are beyond hearing things for a reason. to understand everything reality must become fantasy and fantasy reality. what is real becomes false, an illusion that was designed to hide the truth. then maybe everything will start to come into to a perspective, things will finally come together and start to make sense. maybe one day everyone will find their true self, no more superficiality, maybe. your friend always sweetie. x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From d.march at xxx.uk Mon Jun 21 23:21:40 1999 From: d.march at xxx.uk (David March) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:21:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Just the beginning (maybe) Message-ID: <22182804651654@freenet.co.uk> Hiya! Just wanted to say hello. I've been on the list since January I think, and I thought it was about time I made myself public! Had a wierd day today. we've had a temp helping us out at work for the past few weeks, but he's now left for a job in Peterborough. Oh well! Back to a life of watching Countdown and 15 to 1 with my colleague! Did anyone see the episode of 15 to 1 where William G- String Stewart asked which band won best british newcomer at the brits, the answer being B&S! I can imagine all these old grannies supping their tea and chewing their macaroons saying, "Who are they?" "I knew a Sebastian in the war," "Really dear! well I knew a Belle!" "Didn't she go and work in Mr Brown's cornershop?" "Who are we?" Heard my first taster from Tigermilk (I'm one of the sad few who doesn't have a bootleg copy!) Other than the Dog On Wheels version of The State I Am In of course. Mark and Lard played She's Losing It, and I spent the next few days wandering around at work singing it. Don't know if the tune was right of course, but it sounded good nonetheless! Anyway, I'm going to disappear now. I've got to try and read all the messages in my new mail folder! Bye bye David -------------------------------------------------------- Name:David March E-mail:d.march at FreeNet.co.uk Xplosion, the web's best new music http://www.callnetuk.com/home/xplosion/ -------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Tue Jun 22 03:11:08 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E Hamilton) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:11:08 -0400 Subject: Sinister: more self indulgent shite (excuse the language, i'm feeling saucier than ravoli) Message-ID: <001101bebc54$7f3f9260$59e64ace@woody> my desk lamp bids the crowds a glorious hearty greeting, and cackles with excitement and glee that can only be detrimental to his electrical fusing... and so it is. for this post, I will institute a warning very similar to Lesley Jo's this morning--this is really all about me, with very little B&S (but a lot of BS, chuckle chuckle), so if you would like to read on, then feel free to poke at things that you wouldn't normally poke at. but keep the foreboding scoffing for some other twit, sistas. well i work at a deli. and it's really an odd place. everyone who works there appears to be very run down. it's a bit like a disease, i think. deli-itis. it's from inhaling too much honey baked turkey over the course of the years, and i think it impairs the eyes first. all of my co workers are busy staring off into space at objects that probably aren't there in the first place. what i'm trying to say, is i don't want deli-itis. i believe i'll wander into the doctor's tomorrow and demand that a high concentration of champagne mustard be shoved into my veins in order to vaccinate myself. wouldn't that be a HOOT. no, ok it wouldn't. well i was washing the tables outside (we have a patio in which we have several sets of plastic lawn furniture, though we call it our 'outside dining area'. please.) well this really cute bird was eating her ice cream (which yours truly was pleasant enough to sculpt into a twirling castle for her) when she dropped a lot of it all over the tables. so she asked me for my cleaning fluid, in order to do it herself. well i went to give it to her, smiling like a crazed hyena, when i accidentally squirted her in the face with the stuff. it was only a little, and it hit her right in the forehead. oh, i'm sure those pores were mad at her. well she couldn't stop laughing and went on saying how it was her fault, and i ran inside and got her napkins and rags and oh, the horrors. it was funny, but she left, and i haven't seen her since. hmph. funny story though. it takes the 'hostess with the mostess' story and flips it around. maybe i shall see what l'amour courtois is like on this side of food and beverage. as you all know, i am quite familiar with the kind where i'm the customer and she's the sassy food preparer. sort of an interesting smutty fantasy. ok and i'll stop there. parklife is the perfect britpop album. that or different class. there was a huge discussion on the pulp ng about what britpop was and what the best example of it is. i really don't know, but parklife is top. but so is jarvis. the dilemma of the stereo. speaking of which, i can't wait until tigermilk. everyone scream a south carolina 'yeeeeeeeeee haw!'. ok great, that was good, now do it again. cheers to timmy hopkins who admitted that The Who are so much more than lustful arena rockers. That was Led Zeppelin (booooooo hissssssssss). The Who are beautiful, caustic, whiny, and outspoken all wrapped up into an imitation tortilla product with salsa on top. I call it THE WHO BY NUMBERS. it's the follow up to Quadrophenia and the most B&S like, but it has no BS. bwa ha ha! that's enough, i've overstayed my welcome. for more bizarre sexually awkward stories involving the food and beverage industry, stay tuned kids. love blake the nerdy shy eyed pacifist. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "Fuck!" - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah_drayton at xxx.com Tue Jun 22 07:33:12 1999 From: sarah_drayton at xxx.com (Sarah Drayton) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:33:12 PDT Subject: Sinister: b&s rip off tunes Message-ID: <19990622063312.5747.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi sinisterines re; Belle and sebastian ripping off other peoples songs. I listened to IYFS the other day and I'm sure the title track has the same bass line as that god awful song "Love is in the air" by John Paul Young. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ISawUfall at xxx.com Tue Jun 22 09:04:33 1999 From: ISawUfall at xxx.com (ISawUfall at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:04:33 EDT Subject: Sinister: the pony trees Message-ID: <64b171f1.24a09d91@aol.com> had a dream just last nite and this guy said "i see the fish, i see the living fish, i see the deceased fish, and then i call them 'pony trees'..." the pony trees??? i thought u should ALL know... if anyone else dreams of pony trees and/or fish, please contact me. sincerely, happy snax. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com Tue Jun 22 09:04:19 1999 From: Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com (Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:04:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk - worth hanging onto? Nah, not really Message-ID: <80256798.002BBD98.00@gbemea05.emea.jwt.com> Mike Little asks: >I have an original Tigermilk LP, but now it's being re-issued - do you think it's still worth hanging on to? Interesting that you should ask this, Mike. As anyone who read the recent B&S article in Record Collector will know, owing to the very small number of copies released, Tigermilk is now almost entirely worthless. I myself found a copy in a charity shop recently for 10p - and I'm pretty certain Rough Trade have got a couple in their bargain bins. Of course you must buy the re-issue (which in a few years time could be worth upwards of seven quid!), and I would like to say that to save you the effort of throwing it away, I am more than prepared to take your old copy off your hands. If you want, I don't mind paying post and packaging. Subtle am I, and clever, yeeeees. J. D. Salinger --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "you take a really sleepy man, Esmé, and he always stands a chance of again becoming a man with all his fac - with all his f-a-c-u-l-t-i-e-s intact" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ISawUfall at xxx.com Tue Jun 22 09:20:28 1999 From: ISawUfall at xxx.com (ISawUfall at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:20:28 EDT Subject: Sinister: stupid question needs verification for stupid friend Message-ID: <434f5ade.24a0a14c@aol.com> who is the lead singer of the band? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tjohn at xxx.uk Tue Jun 22 12:00:50 1999 From: tjohn at xxx.uk (Timothy Roberts) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:00:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: once long ago i was happy i think, i remember ropeswings and blackcurrant drink... Message-ID: <003b01bebc9e$975901c0$0152883e@Poberts> just so you know, in order not to waste space on the list ive waited nearly a week looking for something i can respond to, so that i can just mention offhand that i have had a promo copy of the new hefner album for nearly a week now. i shall proceed to do that in this missive, but dont worry, i will do it with such grace and subtlety that you wont even see the join. the bill wells/future pilot aka album is a thing of mournful beauty, but theres not actually as many tracks as there appears to be. i mean, there is, but half of them are just that robot who plays live with looper saying "fuuuuuture pilot aka", or variations on that theme. but its still great, as is the future pilot aka vs a galaxy of sound lp, which also has some bill wells stuff, and so presumably some stevie jackson stuff. useless information: going by the sleevenotes to the mini album theres only seven people in the octet. and one of thems a pastel, so she doesnt really count either. however (here it comes, pay attention) i havent had a chance to listen to any of this stuff for a while, as for NEARLY A WEEK i have had a PROMO COPY of THE NEW HEFNER ALBUM. that should do the trick. on the subject of stuart murdochs dancing, from close observation at bowlie it seems to be based on the 'swing your pants' style, as popularised by trevor and simon on saturday morning tv when we were little. stevie jackson went for the much more dignified 'slow nod', which served him quite well when used in conjunction with the more well known 'aloof gaze over the crowd'. look at my subject line! its the first line of a song i just wrote for second guess. one day i will break some hearts. observe: "once long ago i was happy i think i remember ropeswings and blackcurrant drink im pretty sure that you were there ive got this image in my head of flowers in your hair it doesnt work that way anymore brief moments of lucidity are all i can hope for they dont come often so understand i have to cling to them when i get the chance" it sort of relates to that innocence lost theme that someone was talking about, yeah? if anyone wants to know what second guess sound like, well, you know that feeling you get when youre lying awake in the early hours of the morning and suddenly you cant feel the bed below you, like youre floating or something, and you know that as soon as you move a muscle itll all be over, but for now everything makes sense and youve got the answers to all the questions, and youre trying to not move, to not even breathe, because you want the moment to go on as long as possible? well thats what second guess sound like. one day youll thank me from tjohn "and do you think its possible to be sensitive and strong?" "hmm... we are." -the bmx bandits visit deadhippy online: http://www.deadhippy-records.freeserve.co.uk batfink site to come soon... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ScoDog1441 at xxx.com Tue Jun 22 12:04:49 1999 From: ScoDog1441 at xxx.com (ScoDog1441 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:04:49 EDT Subject: Sinister: Of interest to, oooooh 0.75% maybe... Message-ID: Right listen up listees:- The Scottydog one man entertainment show rolls into a town near you this weekend. Actually thats only true if you live in Blackpool (0.75% maybe). Yes you pesky North West sinisterians, for one weekend only you can marvel at the skills of The Dog when he makes his way to the Stakis hotel for The International Pool Tour. Gasp at the sight of me going out in the first round, Whince as i throw my cue across the room, Perk up as i buy a round for everyone to console myself, Tut at the woefully ironed B&S shirt (B&S content - sligh old dog), Fall over in shock as i offer to buy a second round, Sneak off as i complain about my bad luck all night... If you can handle this excitement then maybe you should be at The Stakis this Friday at 8.30pm to see ol' Scottydog destroy some bloke ranked 40 places below me at 148 called Martin Fisher. Anyone give me odds that he's on the list... But seriously, if anyone can mail us privately with the best places to go in Blackpool this weekend, it would be appreciated. And if anyone really wishes to be bored by a few hours of watching spherical objects drop into holes, then look out for me - i'll be the one sitting down. Scottydog Booze Implosion (only after getting knocked out mind) Apologies to the other 99.25% +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lohammer at xxx.no Tue Jun 22 13:39:17 1999 From: lohammer at xxx.no (Erlend Hammer) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:39:17 +0200 Subject: Sinister: dig them potatos if you never dug your girl before Message-ID: <199906221246.OAA14745@online.no> Hi there, This list reminds me of a Clint Eastwood movie. Well, not really. But there is a movie called Heartbreak Ridge and it's about a bad-ass sergeant who's known to everyone as Gunny. This character is of course played by Mr. Eastwood. Gunny gets a transfer to a new "boot camp" (I believe that's what they're called, but I wouldn't actually know as I managed to cheat my way out of military service) and here he's assigned to train a bunch of lazy-ass men who's used to never doing anything at all. But Gunny of course isn't going to let them fail to become hard-ass army chaps (tm. Damien Hirst/ Keith Allen) so he bad-asses them around for a bit. BUT the lazy-asses have a secret weapon, THE SWEDE. The Swede is apparently the mutha of all bad-asses and as soon as he get's out of the "army jail" (I'm sure there's a proper word for that) he's going to kick Gunny's arse BIG time. So much of the first part of the movie is spent hyping the Swede (much in the same way they did with Godzilla in that movie, or so I heard, I haven't seen it myself, being the intellectually elitist snob I am). There's so much talk of the Swede that you think you're going to have to be let down when you finally see him. I've seen the film a few times, god knows why, and every time I think "the Swede can't possible be that tough...." and every time I end up pleasantly surprised that he is rather mean. But then of course Gunny beats him up with no problems whatsoever. Umm, the point of this story was that it reminded me of the current Hopkins Hype (tm old listees). A friend of mine ALMOST met a celebrity the other day. Mr. Tommy Lee was apparently walking around Oslo and my friend spent rest of her day asking the customers of the coffee house where she works if they'd seen Bruce Lee earlier on. There's a song on TBWTAS that (to my musically untrained ears) appears to contain the riff from Omar's "There's Nothing Like This". I'd check which song it is, but I can't find my sister's copy of the album. I also heard my first ever Tigermilk song the other day, don't know what the song was. It was on national Norwegian radio, I think it's our equivalent of Radio 3, but I'm not completely sure. It's the sort of station that usually plays horrible "adult-pop" (you know.....the Beatles, Simon & Garfunkle etc.) and occasionally Something For The Weekend if they really want to ROCK OUT!!! The radio presenter talked about Tigermilk being rare and that and I could just picture thousands of Norwegian 40 year olds sitting in their cars wondering why the bloody hell they were being told this shite. Tomorrow at 7.00 p.m. I shall be seeing my all-time favorite movie on a big screen for the first time in my life. The movie in question is the divine Withnail & I. Depression Music: So Hot - Spacemen 3 Hallelujah - Jeff Buckley The Eternal - Joy Division Nothern Sky - Nick Drake Cantos For Benjamin Britten - Arvo P�rt In A Lonely Place - New Order I find that particularly that last one is almost impossible to listen to, not only because of the lyrics, but because of how it was Ian Curtis' last song and so on. Oh, one more thing, "Today" from Surrealistic Pillow is one of the best songs EVER!! And another thing, I'll be well impressed if anyone can tell me the author of today's fine subject line. Erlend (who is going to listen to the 40 minute version of "Blue Room" by the Orb now, slightly upset that he woke up too late to catch today's Home And Away re-runs.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From melissa.thornton at xxx.ca Tue Jun 22 14:35:10 1999 From: melissa.thornton at xxx.ca (MelissaThornton) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:35:10 -0400 Subject: Sinister: the pony trees References: <64b171f1.24a09d91@aol.com> Message-ID: <376F910E.E2E8A7B1@utoronto.ca> ISawUfall at aol.com wrote: > had a dream just last nite and this guy said "i see the fish, i see > the > living fish, i see the deceased fish, and then i call them 'pony > trees'..." > > if anyone else dreams of pony trees and/or fish, please contact me. > well, i'm looking in my mummy's dream dictionary and this is what i've found: fish...means the christ within. now was this an 'ugly fish', because that would mean "spiritual weakness". you could be "hooked" on something. or involved in a "fishy" (questionable) situation. tree.. "one of the most frequent symbols indicating growth and unfolding." "represents the spiritual centers of the body (the endocrine system)." pony...(horse)..."ancient germans and scandinavians believed that horses were able to speak and pedict the future. " 'you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink'." it may be telling you to 'hold your horses'. "tempestuous emotions; sexual energy." yours etc. emily. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Tue Jun 22 15:35:47 1999 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:35:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: If you're so anti-fashion then wear flares. (Even though they ARE in fashion these days.) (oops) In-Reply-To: <000301bebbd2$59149540$1a11020a@rebelstrange> References: <000301bebbd2$59149540$1a11020a@rebelstrange> Message-ID: <9Og2ALAD95b3EwKf@elsato97.demon.co.uk> Hello! I'm listening to a song called 40 Days and 40 Nights. "hip shakin' momma gonna party right"! Cool. I bought a Sly and the Family Stone CD yesterday. I was having ANGST in HMV debating between "The Who Sell Out", and "Theres a Riot Goin' On". I decided that I would go for the "foonk" option. "Sly and the Family Stone? I had that on in my car this morning. Bit too funky it were for me" -- Bearded Market Record Store Bloke. He recommended I buy The Led Zeppppp. He thinks I'm into 60s rock songs, because I bought a Lovin' Spoonful record from him, once. And it was scratched to buggery. I still like it though. >GRRRRR what does a Welsh accent sound like?? what kind of accent did that >girl have on AbFab who played the dippy blonde chick? i loved her accent. i >forget her name rt now. sorry / i'm interested by different accents. Welsh accents, just go and buy a Gorkys Zygotic Mynci Album or a Super Furry Animals album. They are all very good - apart from Gorky 5 which pongs a bit. John Cale. John Cale is Welsh. The accents are lilty-and sing-songy. Emphasis is placed on the first syllable or so. I have a "Teach Yourself Welsh" book, but I can't get past "rdyw'i hoffi coffi". I LOVE WALES. I'm a Walophile. Heh. I like that. Cymruphile. Oh, that sounds painful. It was my birthday yesterday. I'm 18. Oh my. I drank double vodka and lime, double gin and lemonades, and pints of Fosters - pound a pint night at lovely Preston niteklub "Squires". It was the first time I'd ever been in there as well. On my 18th birthday. Ah so innocent. So LUCKY. Its crap. Kevin Rowland and Dexys Midnight Runners seem to be back. In black. Dresses. Did you all see the picture of Kevin showing off his pants? I've been going through a Dexys thing recently. I threw away a lot of my records: "I'd listen to your records but your logics far too lame and I'd only waste three valuable minutes of my life with your insincerity". Pretentious eh? But I like it. And its a better lyric which says far more about my life and feelings than "All Around The World Got To Spread The Word Tell Them What You Have Heard". You'd think it'd better to lock The Word underground and pretend it was never made than spread it round the world wouldn't you. Speaking of which, I hate The Word. I've never watched it and I refuse to on principle. Yeah yeah showing repeats of a "shocking" show is really RADICAL and cutting edge isn't it Channel 4? Doesn't it just point out the blatantly obvious fact that Channel 4 is desperate to show how liberal and mad it is? REPEATING the goddammed Word. Even more than I hate the Word, I hate the people who didn't see if first time round and who watch it. Don't those people have principles??? For fucks sake IGNORING the principle of the repeat its a shit programme anyway! I'm assuming, cos I've never watched it. Oh the bastards. I see adverts for The Word on TV and my fists just clench. I'm going to run the TV stations. I could be fucking great. Not friends are me and 'making sense'. seeyouthen, Sarah xxx "N.P" Hush - Woody Herman (Only just realised that stands for "now playing") +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From buurnoom at xxx.nl Tue Jun 22 16:10:06 1999 From: buurnoom at xxx.nl (Burema & Noomen) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:10:06 +0200 Subject: Sinister: BERLIN - I met Stuart D., and still I have things to dream of... Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 6002 bytes Desc: not available URL: From macarthur at xxx.com Tue Jun 22 16:28:13 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:28:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Runnin' away, to get away, hee hee, hee, hee Message-ID: Sly and the Family Stone are ace, even though I only have 'There's a Riot Goin' On' I can still say that because the gods are smiling on me today. To start with, I actually managed to get out of bed in the morning to go into school to find out the horrors A levels have to offer me next year. They're going to let me do history even though I havent done it for Gcse, and I found a Pulp Video (sorted for Films and Vids) for £3 alongside countless crappy eighties film hits (not pretty in pink, sadly). and I'm going to watch it now. Yet another utterly irrelevent, non-b&s post. Go on, admit you love them. Erica x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ooon at xxx.th Tue Jun 22 19:10:03 1999 From: ooon at xxx.th (oon) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:10:03 +0700 Subject: Sinister: The Beer Hunter Message-ID: <376FD17B.AA655EA6@samart.co.th> Mr.Adrian Evans' secretary speaks: unfortunately, Mr Adrian Evans is not available to take your baiting right now. he's gone and given himself to the beer god i believe. please leave your messages after the beep. if you can't hear it, just send it my way and i'll pass them on when he comes back. me, taking off secretary's white fluffy feather mask, speaks: isn't Star Wars exciting. what makes it so exciting was the theatre showed them all night long! i went to see the 2am showing in a theatre in a big shopping mall. since it's 2am the mall was very dark and empty. it's like some shopping mall horror film. oh the excitement! and i've seen preview of the most scary film in my long and easily scared life. it's Thai ghost movie. it's coming soon to many theatre near me. how can i go to bathroom at night now. Mr.Chris, if the above movie has English subtitle i'll send you the vdo. guarantee you'll wet your house with fear. then you can send it on to Mr Trousers. to make sure he'll never talk a walk in the park at night ever again. Mr Nicky Dastoor wrote: > I don't think I would like Belle & Sebastian so much > if they looked rubbish. > Does anyone else agree? i watch FTV. it's not on to ignore those unhinged flesh and blood marching about mindlessly day and night. who'd have thought they can fill 24 hour tv with just clothes stuff and nudity! if only the inbetween bit is not so annoying. can't someone tell them to shut up and get on with it? in other word, i agree. how could anyone like them this much if they look like say.. the 70's WHO, for example. now, Sister Miller and Mr Watson, think hard and long before shouting. can you seriously weep to Mr Murdoch in those hair singing 'fox in the snow"? Speaking of Mr Murdoch, i'm sad to find out i've subconsciously associated him with noodle in the last few months. egg noodle with lots of barbecue porks and shrimp wantons in a big bowls, to be exact. whenever he appears in my dream, he is always surrounded with those bowls of noodle. yes! not just one, but many bowls of them! i can't remember dream actually, only remember that sometimes i woke up a bit hungry and yearning for egg noodle. that yearning happened again last week, and this time i remembered my dream a bit. so now i know. i'm starting to focus and try to associate him with something else more healthy and has more fiber. maybe orange, or banana. i'll keep you update on my progress. i don't know how the below story comes to pass in my maibox. but there seems to be a moral in this story. so i hope Sir Cliff won't be too disapproved of it. Oh Oh! Happy Birthday to the wonderful Starry Droolz! May the stars always and forever shine in your eyes! love, oon xxx _______________________________________ Police arrested Malcolm Davidson, a 27 year old white male, resident of Wilmington, NC, in a pumpkin patch very late on Friday night. Davidson will be charged with lewd and lascivious behavior, public : indecency, and public intoxication at the County Courthouse on Monday. The suspect allegedly stated that as he was passing the pumpkin patch, he decided to stop. "You know, a pumpkin is soft and squishy inside, and there was no one around here for miles. At least I thought there wasn't," he stated in a phone interview from the County jail. Davidson went on to state that picked out a pumpkin that he thought was appropriate for his purposes, cut a hole in it, and proceeded to satisfy his alleged "need". "I guess I was just really into it, you know?" he commented with evident embarrassment. In the process, Davidson apparently failed to notice the Wilmington police car approaching and was unaware of his audience until officer Brenda Taylor approached him. "It was an unusual situation, that's for sure," said officer Taylor. "I walked up to [Davidson] and he's . . . just working away at this pumpkin." "I just went up and said, 'Excuse me sir, but do you realize that you're doing it with a pumpkin?' He got real surprised as you would expect and then looked me straight in the face and said: "A pumpkin? Damn.... is it midnight already?" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rehakk at xxx.edu Tue Jun 22 19:25:57 1999 From: rehakk at xxx.edu (rehakk at xxx.edu) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Postcard Notify Message-ID: <199906221825.LAA11853@serv04.tierra.net> You have a postcard waiting for you at: http://www.punkassgear.com/postcard/93007595711852.html From: rehakk at xxx.edu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Lana622 at xxx.com Tue Jun 22 19:32:48 1999 From: Lana622 at xxx.com (Lana622 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:32:48 EDT Subject: Sinister: The Boy I Never Rated Message-ID: Hello everybody, I've been on the list for a few weeks now, and today I finally bit the bullet, and decided to write in with a question about B+S and introduce myself at the same time (after all, I reasoned, if you can't do something new and special on your 17th birthday, when can you do it? :) <> So, here goes. Who, pray tell, is "Dylan in the movies"? Did Bob Dylan make movies? If he did, what were they? And is this Bob at all or some other Dylan who was in movies? What other stars are named Dylan? Is it Matt Dillon, just spelled wrong? So, about me. I just turned 17 today, I'm finally done with high school, and I'm going to university in the fall, and am sort of scared for that. And I'm in love with my best guy friend, only I can't tell him because he would get weird on me. Here's another question: can friendship easily and un-messily turn into a romantic relationship or does it screw everything up? If anyone can give me advice, anecdotes, etc. on this subject I would appreciate it. Oh, and one more thing before I stop wasting valuabe B+S space: I feel so dumb and American asking this, but what is "twee"? I'd feel a lot better if I knew this. Okay, thanks for reading my letter; I try not to skim and skip over what anyone has to say. I hope everyone has a nice first day of summer! Love, Laine +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Tue Jun 22 20:12:12 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:12:12 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Dylan...AGAIN!! :( :( Message-ID: Lana should be forgiven for writing this (and also welcomed to the list with hugs and smiles!): >>Who, pray tell, is "Dylan in the movies"? Did Bob Dylan make movies? If he did, what were they? And is this Bob at all or some other Dylan who was in movies? What other stars are named Dylan? Is it Matt Dillon, just spelled wrong? << ...because she is new and probably doesn't know that the Dylan thing's been discussed before. The story is: There is a famous documentary about Bob Dylan by director D.A. Pennebaker called "Don't Look Back". So, if you don't look back, you're like Dylan in the movies. It's terribly sweet and clever, and explaining it too much can, like explaining a good joke too much, diminish the impact. But everybody should have the facts, I think. Also, yesterday somebody asked if any film critics on the list had an opinion of Hal Hartley. I have had (he ever-so-modestly and self-deprecatingly said) bits and pieces of my film criticism published, locally, and my opinion on Hartley is that he's very intelligent, I thought The Unbelievable Truth was okay, Henry Fool was quite good, but the Book of Life starring featured member of my Idol Parade PJ Harvey was crap. Any Hartley film will be more and more crap depending upon the degree of smugness he lets in, which at times is unbearably high. His 'humor' is like having a loud, foul person standing behind you nudging you and saying, "Get it? Get it?". Intolerable. Hartley is good to the degree that he can be serious and not let his Bazooka Joe humor invade his otherwise fine films. Sunshine, lollipops, rainbows... -Chris +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mike at xxx.uk Tue Jun 22 18:20:55 1999 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:20:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Boy I Never Rated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Who, pray tell, is "Dylan in the movies"? Did Bob Dylan make movies? If he > did, what were they? And is this Bob at all or some other Dylan who was in > movies? What other stars are named Dylan? Is it Matt Dillon, just spelled > wrong? Uncle Bob did indeed make movies, and his first - a sort of "fly on the wall" documentary filmed by D A Pennebaker on his 1965 UK tour - was called "Don't Look Back". Its worth a watch (but then I'm a big Bob fan) just for the act he adopts all the way through. Pennebaker also filmed on the 1966 tour (an unreleased but often bootlegged film called "Eat the Document" featuring John Lennon among others). Dylan's last foray in the film industry was a damn-awful film called "Hearts of Fire" in about 1985, in which he plays (wait for it...) and ageing rock start. Bloody awful stuff! Hope this helps Mike -- Sent by: Mike Newman Fax: +44 870 0567643 : ICQ UIN 3533902 Web: http://www.gtnorthern.demon.co.uk Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:39 +0100 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.com Tue Jun 22 20:35:51 1999 From: ian at xxx.com (ian connelly) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:35:51 -0700 Subject: Sinister: hartley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199906221934.MAA22148@wired.com> i actually think hartley's sense of humor was better before his film-making skills became so much smoother. his 'middle-period' movies (_trust_ is one of my favorite flicks (i've got a sad tendency to watch it twice a year whether i need it or not), and i'm VERY partial to about 30 minutes or so of _simple men_) are imho the strongest in terms of dialogue and subtly ridiculous plot without being as overbearingly didactic as _flirt_ and _henry fool_. i will concur that _surviving desire_ (the one about the professor falling in love/lust with a student that someone mentioned earlier) is a little too contrived and maybe a bit silly, too. and that's how i think of more recent stuff like _flirt_. but i'm a sucker for martin donovan, and would probably put the first 20 minutes of _amateur_ up against any film in christendom, but that's really a matter of personal taste, isn't it? it's at this point i should stop rambling. (chris, about your quote about hartley being overbearing: i semi-agree (could he possibly be more overbearing than woody allen?), but isn't this sort of clunky posturing somehow more interesting than the sort of glossy fluffing that goes on in all manner of 'mainstream' films? *cf _pretty woman_, an admittedly overused example.) has anyone looked at this recently? http://www.best.com/~drumz/Hartley/ it's probably the best resource for all things Hartley if you want to know more. armchair critic, ian number five At 12:12 PM 6/22/99 -0700, McQuain, Chris wrote: >Also, yesterday somebody asked if any film critics on the list had an >opinion of Hal Hartley. I have had (he ever-so-modestly and >self-deprecatingly said) bits and pieces of my film criticism published, >locally, and my opinion on Hartley is that he's very intelligent, I thought >The Unbelievable Truth was okay, Henry Fool was quite good, but the Book of >Life starring featured member of my Idol Parade PJ Harvey was crap. Any >Hartley film will be more and more crap depending upon the degree of >smugness he lets in, which at times is unbearably high. His 'humor' is like >having a loud, foul person standing behind you nudging you and saying, "Get >it? Get it?". Intolerable. Hartley is good to the degree that he can be >serious and not let his Bazooka Joe humor invade his otherwise fine films. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Tue Jun 22 20:36:45 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:36:45 -0400 Subject: Sinister: angles in the architecture, oh your so young and foolish Message-ID: <199906221536_MC2-7A58-D9FD@compuserve.com> Oh hello all. How are you doing. The reason I post is to explain about my web site, it's very Java. Anyway, I would like to make it sort of a review site, mainly of music, though books would be very good too. It's not ready yet but I would like to ask you if you would send some reviews in. If you do could you please send them to me as emails in the following format: If you are sending a review of music, put in the subject: Music If you are sending a review of a book put in the subject: Book It's that simple. Then write your review in the body giving the name of the person/people who made what your reviewing, eg, author or artist. If it was an event like a festival or picnic tell me where and when it was. Just useful info. Then give me THE REVIEW IT'S SELF. Also, did you know that the people on the Jeepster B&S List don't like us very much. I recently subscribed to it and their slagging us off left right and centre. Paula Cullen, I know what you said, Paddington Bear's hardest Stare to you. But a chap called Marcus Omond said that perhaps we could all be friends. Apparently there is going to be a big picnic on Primrose Hill the 3rd and 4th of July. He says that perhaps both lists can get along. Well, I agree. Oh, I hope I haven't offended Paula by talking utter bollox all day long and regurgitating the same old crap day in day out and generally, talking arse. I also hope I don't feel the need to send in a bit of rambling shit just because I have not said anything for a while. I hope I don't do your head in Kawasaki +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Tue Jun 22 20:59:48 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:59:48 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Ian C. is cool! Message-ID: Ian smartly wrote: >>(chris, about your quote about hartley being overbearing: i semi-agree (could he possibly be more overbearing than woody allen?), but isn't this sort of clunky posturing somehow more interesting than the sort of glossy fluffing that goes on in all manner of 'mainstream' films? *cf _pretty woman_, an admittedly overused example<<<< I think both Hartley and Allen are far, far superior to anything mainstream. However, Hartley is a fledgling while Allen has proven himself to be, in my opinion, one of the greatest film-makers America has. I would put his Husbands and Wives as well as Todd Haynes' Safe ahead of Scorcese's GoodFellas in the best American films of the decade. As far as the humor goes, Hartley is more overbearing than Woody Allen because he makes his actors pause too much at the 'punchlines' or the supposedly funny bits, the timing is all off and out of proportion. I personally think the humor is fairly throwaway in both of these directors' films, but Allen's fits much more easily into his overall serious themes than Hartley's does. Allen is much more casual with his humor and it blends easily, if you don't happen to find it funny it doesn't diminish the film so much, but Hartley's sticks out like a sore thumb and I don't think it's halfway funny enough to deserve so much space in his films; he ends up trivializing himself, while to me Allen's films, at least since Annie Hall, have always had resonance whether they're 'comedy' or 'drama' or both. However, that being said, I haven't seen even half of Hartley's films and my interest is picqued enough by what I've found worthwhile in the ones I have seen to make me want to see more. Regardless of my minor divergence of taste with him, thanks to Mr. Connelly for keeping film discourse on the list! Unchallenged opinions are the most uninteresting sort. 75% of people are bound to find this whole thing far too pretentious but if I can get one person to watch Husbands & Wives or Safe then it's all worthwhile... 'One simply can't live without the cinema.' -Two or Three Things I Know About Chris +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i_love_moon at xxx.com Tue Jun 22 22:45:39 1999 From: i_love_moon at xxx.com (hay fever) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:45:39 +0200 Subject: VB: Sinister: Dylan...AGAIN!! :( :( Message-ID: <19990622213654.94902.qmail@hotmail.com> > > The story is: There is a famous documentary about Bob Dylan by director D.A. > Pennebaker called "Don't Look Back". So, if you don't look back, you're like > Dylan in the movies. It's terribly sweet and clever, and explaining it too > much can, like explaining a good joke too much, diminish the impact. But > everybody should have the facts, I think. > as a matter of fact. the swedish magazine pop interviewed richard in late´97 and he said that murdoch was going to meet pennebaker in the states about doing a similar movie about belle and sebastian. however that never fell through i guess for that boy from bmx bandits got the job instead. well atleast this is what the article says. for all swedish sinisters, radio p3 is doing a belle and sebastian special july the 28th, at ten pm. this however might be a rerun of a similar thing done last year i think. anyone know if radio p3 live aired anything from mogwais show at hulstfred last weekend? anyways, over and out, johan eureka at hayfever.net www.hayfever.net +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Tue Jun 22 15:01:22 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:01:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: And bring back John Johnston too Message-ID: <80256798.004D083C.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> >>Nick Dastoor spouted: I don't think I would like Belle & Sebastian so much >>if they looked rubbish. Does anyone else agree? (NB. I am a very shallow >>person.) >I think that Nicky boy said this just to be controversial. I love Belle And >Sebastian, but I don't even have the slightest clue what any of them look >like. Actually, I didn't. I really do care about what they look like. It would be a different matter if I didn't know what they looked like. Then they could get away with an air of mystery. But to discover that they looked like any of the things that were thrown up by Tim's vivid imagination would definitely cause problems. I might still like their music, but I wouldn't wear the T-Shirt. I'm not talking about the looks they were born with. I am not a body fascist. I just mean the way they carry themselves (but not dance). Actually, last night I was given an ideal opportunity to test this. I was listening to 'Paper Boat', and VH1 'just happened' to be on the TV with the sound down. There was a band called The Mavericks playing live in concert, fronted by a fat bearded man in a grey suit. I blurred my vision to hide the lip asynchronies and imagined that they were Belle & Sebastian. It worked quite well because there were lots of people in the band, and the camera even moved onto the brass section during the trumpet solo of 'Paper Boat'. I did not like the monster I had created. Sorry to ask this, but I have a plea that involves personal gain. If I can get 25 people to register online (this involves giving a valid credit or debit card number but it's all encrypted, reputable company, don't believe the media hype blah blah) with QXL ('Europe's Largest Online Auction House!') then I get a free video recorder, which I need. It only takes about five minutes, as far as I remember, and they don't spam you. Email me if you are feeling kind. nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Tue Jun 22 17:52:23 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:52:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: And bring back John Johnston too Message-ID: <80256798.005CB094.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> >>Nick Dastoor spouted: I don't think I would like Belle & Sebastian so much >>if they looked rubbish. Does anyone else agree? (NB. I am a very shallow >>person.) >I think that Nicky boy said this just to be controversial. I love Belle And >Sebastian, but I don't even have the slightest clue what any of them look >like. Actually, I didn't. I really do care about what they look like. It would be a different matter if I didn't know what they looked like. Then they could get away with an air of mystery. But to discover that they looked like any of the things that were thrown up by Tim's vivid imagination would definitely cause problems. I might still like their music, but I wouldn't wear the T-Shirt. I'm not talking about the looks they were born with. I am not a body fascist. I just mean the way they carry themselves (but not dance). Actually, last night I was given an ideal opportunity to test this. I was listening to 'Paper Boat', and VH1 'just happened' to be on the TV with the sound down. There was a band called The Mavericks playing live in concert, fronted by a fat bearded man in a grey suit. I blurred my vision to hide the lip asynchronies and imagined that they were Belle & Sebastian. It worked quite well because there were lots of people in the band, and the camera even moved onto the brass section during the trumpet solo of 'Paper Boat'. I did not like the monster I had created. Sorry to ask this, but I have a plea that involves personal gain. If I can get 25 people to register online (this involves giving a valid credit or debit card number but it's all encrypted, reputable company, don't believe the media hype blah blah) with QXL ('Europe's Largest Online Auction House!') then I get a free video recorder, which I need. It only takes about five minutes, as far as I remember, and they don't spam you. Email me if you are feeling kind. nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 00:16:08 1999 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:16:08 PDT Subject: Sinister: prom passion Message-ID: <19990622231610.95999.qmail@hotmail.com> Aieeeeee....I can`t sleep, prom is tomorrow. Me and my friend just did this totally indulgent thing..instead of paying hudreds of dollars for a Dead Sea mud wrap, we poured Herbal Essence (For a Totally Organic Experience) into the kiddie pool. I even did the official angsty girl routine...I threw a frigging tantrum over my dress last night...it was kinda funny,looking at the situation now,but oh! the tears! I think my mother will be grateful this whole ordeal is over with. "She altered the straps too tight! (melo-dramatic gasping of breath) It`s cutting into my skin!" "It will be fine.You`re tired.Get some sleep." "(stomping) I`m going to call Couture Plus! I need it fixed! It`s supposed to be a heaving bosom dress! It goes up to my collarbone now!" "No places will be open now.You should`ve mentioned this before." "(door slams) I didnt KNOW before.I hate this dress! Prom is ruined! I hate prom! I hate you!" I hope it looks ok now. (praying) I HOPE it looks ok!! FESTIVALS FESTIVALS FESTIVALS: I checked out this big list of NME festivals and so what`s the low-down..which are the good festivals? Of course,each advertisement makes each one sound perfect...but I want to know what THE PEOPLE know.The silent understandings etc etc Has All Tomorrows Parties really got this big SHUN across it? thankyou to those who gave me some information though..man,as soon as my parents pick me up from whatever ditch they find me in,I will scrutinize every last detail. Thai Droolz spoke about Star Wars: >isn't Star Wars exciting. what makes it so exciting >was the theatre showed them all night long! i went >to see the 2am showing in a theatre in a big >shopping mall. since it's 2am the mall was very >dark and empty. next time oon, you should go on the very last day they are playing star wars and wear a pair of spock ears! ha ha ha (yes,very clever genevieve) Stuart Murdoch and a Bowl of egg noodles. Stop! We must analyze this oon, I`m quite intrigued.It shows he savours each moment in the richness of life.I bet everyone will say it has something to do with sex, you load of pervs. Horses=sex, and Lazy Line Painter Jane= hooker.. what will they say about egg noodles, my heavens. A lusty appetite perhaps? ho ho ho! He is frail though isnt he.I wonder what Murdoch`s type is. Delicate like him or lusty mamas like Salma Hayek and Jennifer Lopez? >Mr Nicky Dastoor wrote: > > > I don't think I would like Belle & Sebastian so much > > if they looked rubbish. > > Does anyone else agree? well,duh.It depends on your term of attractiveness though.I would like them but I wouldnt be able to get all `Ohhh stuart!` which is the passion behind it all.My friends think Belle and Sebastian are ugly,but then I think N Sync is ugly. but it`s quite the interesting phenomena..bands you initally don`t find attractive, you MAKE an attractive member out of them.When I first got into Belle and Sebastian,I thought Struan was a bit weird, so that`s why I targeted Stuart David as the sexy mama.Yes,it`s true..look at my school planner last year and there is a picture of stuart david printed off from the computer with a heart around it.*cringe*Erggh...YM certainly doesnt recommend stalking your boy to win his heart,what was I thinking? But now Stuart David`s gone down that unkempt road. Too far down it,for sure. Stuart Murdoch is the certified sauce-pot now. And Mick Cooke and his eyebrows. Hubba Hubba! The girls stink though.Sorry,but we must all accept this. (B&S Boys = Hot Stuff, Isobel = Cold Fish, Sarah = Neutral Territory) I cant sleep! I`m all a jumpy! wish me luck dears love & hubba hubba genevieve **********************************************************************Sexy Girls In Knickers NOT Hairy Male Nose-Pickers www.Droolz.ukf.net ********************************************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From punka at xxx.uk Wed Jun 23 00:14:04 1999 From: punka at xxx.uk (John Kerr) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:14:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: not really very much Belle & Sebastian content, if I'm honest. Well, none at all really. Message-ID: <004401bebd04$ec9bb9a0$cf9293c3@GI.NET> hello, ok, so I know the list mummy got a bit upset about lots of e-mails that had not much to do with Belle and Sebastian but I'm a bit lost and I'm sure someone out there has way too much time on their hands and can help me out. On the great western road in Glasgow, there is a bit of graffiti. Beside a fruit shop, someone has sprayed, 'The Salad Days'. After checking the internet I've found out it's a book by Douglas Fairbanks Jr. I know this sounds strange, but it's stuck in my head ever since I saw it about 7 or 8 years ago. Does anybody know anything about it ? Part 2, After a rummage through my cd collection, I found a couple of ep's by a band called The Voodoo Queens, anybody know what happened to them ? There were pretty silly, they sang songs about chocolate and guitars but they did have a very minor hit called 'Kenuwee Head.' please feel free to get terribly upset with my exploitation of this list. thanks. JFK. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From steve at xxx.uk Wed Jun 23 00:23:23 1999 From: steve at xxx.uk (Steve Genge) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:23:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: hartley References: <199906221934.MAA22148@wired.com> Message-ID: <001401bebd06$43373ea0$8ee5989e@wphnvffu> Personally I perfer Hartley's earlier work when he lived in that house with Topov the monkey, Octavia the ostrich & Pig the um pig! Never a school lunch went by where we didn't rush home to see Hartley's House where the esteemed dirtector played the part of a moody Hare. Of course if you're not British and aged I'd guess between 25-30 that makes no sense whatsoever. Ah well serves you all right for being young & American I guess. Seriously though there's a critique (or something) of Henry Fool on our web site, follow the link below & wait several hours for the pretty pictures to load. byebye steve "Pain and beauty, our constant bedfellows." Sabine Strohem steve at seahorses.demon.co.uk Red Roses For Me Fanzine http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/9043 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MWaggner at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 00:27:22 1999 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:27:22 EDT Subject: VB: Sinister: Dylan...AGAIN!! :( :( Message-ID: In a message dated 99-06-22 17:39:31 EDT, you write: > said that murdoch was going to meet pennebaker in the states about doing a > similar movie about belle and sebastian I believe Pennebaker interviewed B&S for their appearance on the PBS show 'Sessions at W. 54th' which never aired. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Kt788 at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 04:14:21 1999 From: Kt788 at xxx.com (Kt788 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:14:21 EDT Subject: Sinister: Re:sinister:dig them potatoes if you never dug your girl before Message-ID: ooh, ooh, ooh! I know! That's a line from a Laura Nyro song. Luckie, I think. And I thought I was the only person who listened to her. juniper +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 05:18:02 1999 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:18:02 -0700 Subject: Sinister: The more brilliant Chris... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990622211802.0098db90@mail.hooked.net> Chris 'numero uno' wisely observed after complimenting Sr. Connelly: >I think both Hartley and Allen are far, far superior to anything mainstream. >However, Hartley is a fledgling while Allen has proven himself to be, in my >opinion, one of the greatest film-makers America has. I would put his >Husbands and Wives as well as Todd Haynes' Safe ahead of Scorcese's >GoodFellas in the best American films of the decade. As far as the humor >goes, Hartley is more overbearing than Woody Allen because he makes his >actors pause too much at the 'punchlines' [snip] The nail... the hammer... the conclusion is practically pre-ordained. Monsieur McQuain has it exactly right - Hartley has a problem with his confidence and it shows in his timing. If he realized that he wasn't *too* obscure or beyond comprehension, he'd direct his scripts better. In fact, I'm certain that he would direct someone else's script brilliantly because he wouldn't be afraid of someone 'missing an important intellectual point' or 'humorous bit'. There's a bleeding edge that a lot of artists face with cryptism and walking that line is difficult. It's easy to understand his vulnerable feelings as an artist, but his degree of experience should warrant better response - and perhaps it can be said that he has made better strides in his recent efforts. One of the other irksome elements in his films is a sometimes gratutitous amount of quirkiness, beyond what is merited with the script. I acknowledge that it is important to brand oneself as an 'indie' director, but some of the scenes come off slightly as art school efforts, intentionally drenching the camera with a sort of visual non-sequitors. I'm certain that most of these sidebars aren't necessary to character or plot development - only occasionally do they offer visuals that justify their tangents. It's a minor distraction, but after seeing 'Chien Andalou' (sp?) and others of that genre, one would think that a modernist sense of consistency would prevail... >However, that being said, I haven't seen even half of Hartley's [snip] >make me want to see more. I'm in the same boat. Excellent, so far - clever. It's rare to find a director you take a liking too (wenders, jarmusch, coen bros, etc.), so I'm eager to soak in his view of the world. >I can get one person to watch Husbands & Wives, then it's all worthwhile... I love Woody Allen and I've seen most of his films. Since I haven't seen Husbands & Wives, you've gotten your one targeted bullseye... ;) Señor Droolcup <- not as Incandescent as DFWallace's Hal - * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * - the Rescuers - next gig on 6/25 fri, 9pm - brainwash http://www.therescuers.net help at therescuers.net "3 out of 4 dentists recommend us to reduce plaque." - * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * - +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gabi77 at xxx.br Wed Jun 23 05:23:52 1999 From: gabi77 at xxx.br (Gabriela Sampaio) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:23:52 -0300 Subject: Sinister: Our own private picnic Message-ID: <01BEBD17.19A08400@ch23m23.sol.com.br> Dear listees... It's been a while since I wrote last. I don't even know if you remember me... Underwear and Salinger were the topics when I was "active" in the list. Since then, due to all the Outlook problems and my own laziness (I must admit!) I became a lurker... Anyway... I'm writing to say that I finally met a Sinisterine! Yay! And we managed to have our own Sinister picnic, in a bar..hehe, with beer only. It was very nice. I wasn't expecting to meet any Brazilian sinisterine since I knew we were all scattered around the country, and it's really awkward arrange something like you. The guy with the lovely name, Alistair, is our witness... Our meeting happened at the sinister chatroom, on a rainy and cold Saturday in São Paulo... expecting to spend another night fighting boredom on the Internet... here comes Guilherme, in a shining armour, that is, a b&s t-shirt, to save me. It was funny meeting him though... we have to overcome all our tweeness and shyness. But it was lovely. I hope we can gather all the Brazilian listees someday, that would be good fun. Maybe that could help bringing them to the Tropics? ;)) Tell me what you think... xxx Gabi PS: It's your turn to tell your side of the story, Gui.. ;)) PPS: As you can see Alistair, he didn't turn out to be a psycho and I didn't come home in plastic bags (creepy!)...LOL.. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Wed Jun 23 10:01:36 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (katrina house) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:01:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: stuff ... Message-ID: <3770A270.CF702336@jeepster.co.uk> hello, hopefully relevant answers ... Miette76 at aol.com wrote: > hello. i will admit that i have not been keeping up on the sinister postings, > so i do apologize if this has already been discussed but i am curious to know > about looper dates. i had been planning on seeing Looper when they came to > the states as they will be playing here on july 17th yet i will now be in > London for that time and i will miss them again...(seeing that my > sluggishness in the chalet kept me from seeing them at bowlie). > so... does anyone know if Looper will play in england anytime soon? ummm ... we're not sure. there won't be any dates until probably late august/september at the earliest as the band are in the u.s. for the whole of july. there may be a single at the beginning of september, so something to co-ordinate in with that possibly ... hope it helps. cheers, katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 11:08:00 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:08:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: IT WASN'T ME!!!!! Message-ID: <01BEBD68.A83EF7E0.p.cullen@music-control.com> okay, first things first. it wasn't me wot said those things about sinister, kids. i was defending yer honour, by challenging the belleandsebastians to a good ol' riot, clear the air, that sort of thing, y'know? if you'd like to re-read my message, robert......... :) anyway, if i may proceed to talk bollocks for a moment..... no.1 : meet up in brighton this sunday, June 27th, if anyone is interested? (dont worry, its not the punch up i suggested) so far its just myself and richard healey but i'm going to send this to the belleandsebastian list also (theres diplomacy for ya!) so you never know.... if anyone fancies a couple of bevvies or whatever, mail myself or richard (ETLRDHY at notes.ericsson.se). fighting with rockers is optional :) oh, and any londoners out there, i'll be in your fair city from tomorrow 'til next wednesday, so if anyone knows of anything good going on...... no.2: someone gave me a list crush!!! :) whoever it was, cheers a million (you poor, misguided soul) but could you do me another favour? will you vote for me twice more, cos joss has 3 votes and i am WAAAAAY foxier than him :) keep smiling, paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! in an unusually good mood 'cos she is going on her hols tomorrow (yay!)+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Wed Jun 23 11:09:04 1999 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:09:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Fox in Ipanema Message-ID: I have been really waiting till some topic would inspire to send something meaningful, thoughtful, interesting to at least a good 15.72% of the listees and why no? : containing a bit of Belle-and-Seb. It is amazing to my eyes how Brazilians as Gabriela (who in those legendary underwear-seasoned days posted about Claire Lispector, and that says a lot to me about her)or Ivo, who has become a lurker or quitted straight away, can feel close to their songs.They are son grey as the wind.I cannot work out with my poor imagination how they sound in a tropical country, as the closest to the Tropics I have ever been is Gran Canaria, and issues as foxes in the snow,Debenhams weekend jobs, school uniforms are so distant in physical and emotional temperature. Melancholy does not work on Bahia dunes, at first sight. Music and weather are so connected to me. I just can listen to 'My funny Valentine' solo trumpet when it is Summer but cloudy and suddenly gloomy.Like today, though my only copy is my dad's and it is at home, where it is probably sunny, hot,swimming pool, tanning time, no doubt and it would not work to listen to it there.Curious. Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dunca_chap at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 11:29:43 1999 From: dunca_chap at xxx.com (Adam Chapman) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:29:43 GMT Subject: Sinister: La,la,la,la, la... Message-ID: <19990623102944.38768.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear all, Somebody in the very recent past asked the interesting and in a B+S context, mildly subversive question, to whit; What is "twee"? i shall attempt to offer an answer, though i don't think of myself as a good person to ask, i'm far too argumentative u see... "Twee" i suppose implies wilful shyness and childlike behavior, though a lisp [affected or otherwise], is optional. Childlike simplicity i guess is as close to a dictionary definition as i'm likely to get , but this in itself is a little simplistic as it can be so much more. A few possible examples; an adult with a fluffy teddy bear, those funny cuddly backpacks, so beloved of adolesent girls, the wilful ignorance of capital letters [this has been disscussed to death in these parts, and can be also attributed to laziness. That shift key is a long way off...]. However, i think that *tweeness* is something of a reaction to the percieved threats and dangersof the outside world, a kind of protective blanket against the day to day troubles in its purest form. It is all to easily corrupted and abused by the cynical to their gain, tweeness is nice and tweeness is fluffy, but it can also be all toeasily abused, so go careful with it.... Oh, and hello to all intended picnicers, with any luck i should make it [Saturday 3rd July o.k.?] Sooooooo Looooooonnnnnnggg, *the Adam* "Because I know that you know, that we know they don't know whats been going on.... " Gruff Rhys, SFA, 'Demons' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dunca_chap at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 11:30:08 1999 From: dunca_chap at xxx.com (Adam Chapman) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:30:08 GMT Subject: Sinister: La,la,la,la, la... Message-ID: <19990623103009.1093.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear all, Somebody in the very recent past asked the interesting and in a B+S context, mildly subversive question, to whit; What is "twee"? i shall attempt to offer an answer, though i don't think of myself as a good person to ask, i'm far too argumentative u see... "Twee" i suppose implies wilful shyness and childlike behavior, though a lisp [affected or otherwise], is optional. Childlike simplicity i guess is as close to a dictionary definition as i'm likely to get , but this in itself is a little simplistic as it can be so much more. A few possible examples; an adult with a fluffy teddy bear, those funny cuddly backpacks, so beloved of adolesent girls, the wilful ignorance of capital letters [this has been disscussed to death in these parts, and can be also attributed to laziness. That shift key is a long way off...]. However, i think that *tweeness* is something of a reaction to the percieved threats and dangersof the outside world, a kind of protective blanket against the day to day troubles in its purest form. It is all to easily corrupted and abused by the cynical to their gain, tweeness is nice and tweeness is fluffy, but it can also be all toeasily abused, so go careful with it.... Oh, and hello to all intended picnicers, with any luck i should make it [Saturday 3rd July o.k.?] Sooooooo Looooooonnnnnnggg, *the Adam* "Because I know that you know, that we know they don't know whats been going on.... " Gruff Rhys, SFA, 'Demons' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From peter.ramsdale at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 10:45:43 1999 From: peter.ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:45:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: DJ BlueSmoke and DJ Travelcard in Lo-Fi All-Dayer Fiasco..... Message-ID: <3770ACC7.29866E30@wdr.com> Yes, folks, I just *had* to mail you. DJ BlueSmoke and DJ Travelcard (me and my mate Staff) are set to make our predictably less-than-triumphant return to the regional disc-spinning scene at some Leo (Leo Sayer = All Dayer) that Staff's organizing in September. As well as being a rather shameless plug for this motley affair, (anyone who is within spitting distance of Colchester in September would be well advised to turn off their television sets and come out and do something less boring instead), this mail is also a plea for help. So far, the only thing that's not been sorted is a name for the whole shebang. So, if anyone can come up with any half-decent names for a Lo-Fi/Art-Rock/Lurchcore all dayer, please let me know. The best I've come up with so far is "Dave". Ah well. Meanwhile, back at the ranch...... Interesting to find out that the band themselves aren't too keen on either "Sinister" or "Strap", if indeed it's true. I can never understand artists denigrating their own work. I mean, there's no real reason to be big-headed about any of it and turn into your common-or-garden we-are-the-greatest, no-one-can-touch-us, head-up-our-own-collective-arse Gallagher brother, but I can't see a reason for them to slag off their own stuff, either. Topical, this is, too, after the Beta Band have been reported as saying that their new album is the "worst of the year so far". Or something. Not exactly the least strange thing on earth, no way mama. I wonder if the bands own feelings on the songs mirror the recent train of "too much of a good thing gets boring" thought on the list. I suppose it's a possibility. I think it was probably summed up best by Jesse (Ethan Hawke) in "Before Sunrise": "If we actually did go out together, you'd start to get annoyed by some of my habits. For instance, when we had people round I'd be insecure and get a little too drunk and tell them the same boring stories again, and again, and again. Well, I've heard all those stories before, so is it any wonder I hate myself?" How very true. By the way, that quote is somewhat paraphrased since my limited memory can't actually cope with sentences of longer than one line, so please don't mail me telling me how wrong I got it. Well, you can if you want, but I'll just delete it. So there. Ner-ner-ne-ner-ner. Anyhow, all help with the naming of aforementioned live event gratefully recieved. Nanoo nanoo, lol p xx. -- -----------------------------*||*-------------------------------- "Reality never seems to work out quite the way you want it to..." Pete Ramsdale - peter.ramsdale at wdr.com Phone: 0171 568 3836 -----------------------------*||*-------------------------------- This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. 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WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 09:52:01 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:52:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Iportant - I forgot something... Message-ID: <19990623125201.HM.00000000001Ejcy@mixmail.com> If you�ve got the Treehouse Isobel�s songs, e- mail me at my other adress: jordi at belleandsebastian.org ===================================== ============= Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 12:07:19 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:07:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: A is for anal Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2275CB95@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Fucking great! Arson is the new Simpsons! Self-Immolation is the new Tim Hopkins! Rock on Sweetie :) Nick Dastoor (whose social life I am getting concerned about - you have *far* too much time on your hands) gave us a list (ahem) of B&S songs what sound like other B&S songs. However, he forgot the most obvious, and possibly most exciting - the session Modern Rock Song vs Expectations ("...I'm fee-eeling stra-a-a-ange"/"you're on top of the world again") - absolutely identical...and, while we're on the subject, Fox in the Snow = You're so Vain - I can't quite think how to describe this, so listen out for it - it's an instrumental bit in Fox, but sung in You're so Vain. Oh dear. I'm sure it must've occurred to some of you... Oon - no-one here wears a white feather mask to work - perhaps I should set the trend...not that I'm a secretary, in fact I can't think of anyone here with the word secretary in their title apart from the Company Secretary, who's dead important. Is that political correctness gone maaaaadddd? I once told my boss that I have been known to wear nail varnish in my spare time. Didn't go down well. I've been allowed off jury service for a couple of days, so I've come into work. Boo. But it does mean I can email all you Listees Of Sex. However, I can't tell you about jury service, or I'd go to prison. Which is a lucky escape for you, as it's very dull and I'm likely to be there for over a month. Bugger. I am also on the edge of my seat as I try and arrange a mortgage in lightning quick time. What fun. No, really. I've found a groovy flat in Sarf London, and I'll be ever so upset if it falls through. So please keep 2,080 fingers crossed for me, I may well need it... What else is there to say? Well, as there are chalets left of each type at Bowlie II (sorry, but I could never match Ailsa on the pun front), I fancied having a go at persuading loads more of you to come. Or at least to make a plea to other Bowlie-goers to make the most of the Sinister potential at Camber Sands part 2. And, let's face it, apart from B&S not being there, the line-up's at least as good as last time, and as long as I can meet up with my Sinister brethren, I'll be as happy as a mullet. Oh yes, and play football - this time against someone famous, please, not Camera Sodding Obscura, no matter how great they may be... Welcome back to Timmy H. I can't wait to hear his views on Midway Still when he has a moment. Is the London picnic next week now a 2-day affair? I personally (read "selfishly") would rather it was on Sunday, in case there's a debate going on... I had to study Hartley's "Trust" at university. I thought it was very good. And Adrienne Shelly....ahem :) More tedious than usual? You decide... Luv Mark xxx _____ www.droolz.ukf.net - now drop and give me 20! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 12:13:52 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:13:52 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Oh dear, I would like to apologise Message-ID: <199906230714_MC2-7A71-8B86@compuserve.com> A while I said that Paula Cullen slaged us off in the Sinister B&S List. I, I, was wrong, she was gallantly defending us to the horrible green eyed KellyWeareMunster. Paula, I'm sorry. You can thank Kevan Cooke for this oh so very public apology. It was my own mistake, I only read half the email and jumping to totally the wrong conclusion blamed Paula. How utterly stupid am I. Though in a private email to my good self Paula was kind enough to invite me to a fight, I think it'll be between us. Oh dear, she's a boozy one that girl. I'm not very good at fights. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 09:50:22 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:50:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: All you need is a shoulder.... Message-ID: <19990623125022.HM.00000000001Ejbi@mixmail.com> ..... I�m going to attend Velocette tonight, pl aying at a club which is usually dedicated to 50 -60 years old people.... a good way to celebrate the shortest night in the year. Really. The intention of this posting is not to create a Sarah Bleach fanclub, however. All I want to kn ow is if there is any kind soul who has the songs that Isobel had on the threehouse some months ago, as my Real player is now over. If any of you can put them into a tape and send them to me, I would reward this great sinisterite with a copy of the B&S Barcelona gig. Bye little flies ===================================== ============= Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Wed Jun 23 14:13:36 1999 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:13:36 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: It's a lovely day for a barbie Message-ID: Hellooooo I think it's strange that Stuart D said that "all the members of the band really despised" IYFS because it didn't have the right sound. I think it has the best sound of them all. It reminds me of "The Glen Miller Story". If you haven't seen this it's about how Glen Miller spent his life searching for a certain sound until, one day he accidentally found it because a couple of trumpet players didn't turn up to a rehearsal (typical!). So he added more saxophones and then his band became the greatest jazz band in the world. I think IYFS has a very special sound which lurks somewhere between piano keys and xylophone blocks. Youn said "Read the beginning of Soft Touch at the bookstore but was distracted by the accent and couldn't finish." You're not the only one who's distracted by accents Youn. I'm unable to read books set in America unless I imagine American accents, or Scotland without Scottish accents, or anywhere really without the right accent, and I have immense difficulty reading French characters without them becoming Chinese. But I think that's just me. David mentioned that Mark and Lard played She's Losing It the other day. I wonder which songs off Tigermilk will make it on to the radio. They're all pretty spunky. Robin xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From erinlew at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 15:41:13 1999 From: erinlew at xxx.com (Miss Erin Nicole Lewis) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:41:13 PDT Subject: Sinister: like zack at the movies Message-ID: <19990623144114.49083.qmail@hotmail.com> Hey kids, Once again, I come out of hiding, to share a bit of goss. I just got word from my American friend in Scotland that a certain friend of ours is going to be in a B&S video. Urie (first friend) said Zack (second friend) came to visit her in Scotland, and they went to a Snow Patrol show a few nights ago. Zack was apparenly dancing like an alien (because I've always had a theory that Zack was an alien, albeit a rather lovable one). After, Urie said she saw a bunch of people from Belle and Sebastian standing around, and a girl came up to Zack and "begged" him to be in their next music video, all the while apologizing for the lack of professionalism sure to be found in said video. Who was this girl? I think Urie would've recognized Isobel. Maybe Sarah? Or maybe Katrina? I can't even confirm this is true, but it's interesting nonetheless. Those of you who'll get to the see video, should it come to fruition, can look for a very tall, young George Harrison lookalike (circa "A Hard Day's Night") who is probably dancing like an alien. That's my hometown boy. NON SEQUITUR AHEAD: the new Flaming Lips album is awesome. And I apologize to all the UKers who don't get "The Spiderbite Song" on their versions. It's probably one of their best! Also, the new Adam Elk (ex-Mommyheads) is brilliant and heartbreaking. That is all. I will go back into hiding, er... working 70 hours a week, now. Love, Miss Erin P.S. Hello to all the Melburnians! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From warranderj at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 21:04:50 1999 From: warranderj at xxx.com (John Warrander) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:04:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Easy and wee Message-ID: <01BEBDBC.262AE800.warranderj@bigfoot.com> Evening Gang, The Paula Cullen Booze Explosion asked if there was anything good going on in London between tomorrow and Wednesday. And as it happens, there might well be probably the most exciting thing that could ever happen anywhere. Mr Lee Hazlewood is going to walk out onto the stage at the Royal Festival Hall sometime on Monday evening and then he's going to say something in THAT voice and then he's going to sing some of his amazing songs. And it's going to RULE. Better than Belle and Sebastian at Bowlie I'd guess. Definitely better than anything else you could possibly be doing. And like Levi Stubbs, I'll be there. And for good measure I'll be at a cinema on Saturday night watching Cowboy In Sweden and Nancy And Lee Live in Vegas too. And to think I could have been at Glasto. Blimey. If you're NOT joining in the LEE weekend in London then you might well want to visit a cinema. I've visited several cinemas recently and it's a very enjoyable way to spend some time. I'd go and see "Orphans" if I was you. It's set in Glasgow and that's in Scotland where Stuart Murdoch lives and a it's got a scene where a filthy old wanker ejaculates onto another bloke's face (and it's not William Reid either) so that's pretty good. It's also got somebody who pees in their pants. Which incidentally is the definition of twee since you were asking. And twee's got nothing to do with "soft". That's when you shit in your pants and I do that all the time and no way would you call me twee. If you like your cinema a bit more "Art house" (i.e. it's got subtitles so it must be good) then I'm afraid there doesn't appear to be any Iraqi blockbusters making it to Blighty's silver screens this summer. I haven't checked though so don't bother telling me if I'm wrong. You should go and see "The Inheritors" though, which for a mucky foreign film hasn't got very much nudity in it, but I think it's some sort of metaphor for a bunch of chancers from a dark country overrun by homos exuals who stick it to the MAN and become one-eighth pop stars or something. It's better than French films. I've seen a few of them and they were mostly rubbish. Even the good ones. And as for that Kevin Rowland in his "man" dress. I'll bet he's one of them homosexuals. I never did like that Dexy's. Somebody ages ago described The Beach Boys' Friends album as "mediocre". Not so long ago I'd have turned purple with rage at such nonsense. Now that I'm married with children though I've calmed down a bit so fair comment mate. And Genevieve, here's hoping that you had one spectacularly great Prom. And that your bosoms were suitably heaving. Ahhh, that's a nice thought to finish on. See you mates, Love...John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mrlit at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 21:31:22 1999 From: mrlit at xxx.com (mike little) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:31:22 PDT Subject: Sinister: TIGERMILK - AGAIN Message-ID: <19990623203123.4654.qmail@hotmail.com> Apparently, places (like eil.co.uk) will still pay 50 quid for a mint original - but do i want to part with it? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mrlit at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 21:31:31 1999 From: mrlit at xxx.com (mike little) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:31:31 PDT Subject: Sinister: TIGERMILK - AGAIN Message-ID: <19990623203132.84456.qmail@hotmail.com> Apparently, places (like eil.co.uk) will still pay 50 quid for a mint original - but do i want to part with it? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From guile at xxx.br Wed Jun 23 22:44:53 1999 From: guile at xxx.br (Guilherme Barrella) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:44:53 -0300 Subject: Sinister: Our own private picnic 2 - The other side replies References: <01BEBD17.19A08400@ch23m23.sol.com.br> Message-ID: <3771554D.2A3FB945@telnet.com.br> Hello sinisterines, Oh, well... I can't believe I'm posting... As you all know (if you do your homework and read all the posts), Gabriela had put me in a terrible situation. She wants to bring me from Lurkerland to tell my side of the history. The brazilian picnic, as she called it. Ok, my turn... (I can't help getting all mellow and shy and, forgive me the word, twee) It's a love story, but I won't tell you the details, I'm too shy. Gabi said that she didn't know that shyness was contagious. First of all, the sinister chatroom... Oh God, what a embarrassing situation, everyone talking about our meeting, or, as they said, our date... And Alistair said he was the cupid... I was terrified. And now I know she thought that I was a psycho... I couldn't wait the moment to see her... I couldn't eat, I couldn't talk, I couldn't drink. I was way too anxious. Anyway, we finally met each other and it was so hard to notice that we're at a bar, rounded with strange people. It was like if there were just the two of us, no one else. "And then?" You're probably asking yourselves... Well, it's not polite to ask... Oh, I'll tell you with just a phrase: Beautiful girl, lovely dress, high school smiles, oh yes... (Thanks, Violent Femmes) And she couldn't tell you that since that day, I'm floating, and listening to Belle & Sebastian has a new meaning to me now... My friends couldn't believe when I finally said the word "happy" again, and I mean it. If you want to know more, don't ask me. I've said enough and I think I've said too much. Gabi, if you feel like talking, go ahead. And it was a two-people-picnic, we don't have any pictures. :) I don't understand how I could write all this... but I do understand why it is so hard to press the send button right now... Oh, I think I'll do it anyway. Oh, by the way, I want to answer to Arantxa about the relation between music and weather... I understand what you meant but the weather is not really important. You know, I lived here in Brazil all my life and I don't like the summer too much, but what can I do? Well, suddenly I realised that I missed the whole point, sorry, I'll keep it short. I don't care about the sun, I don't care about the heat, I don't care about the flames... I know where the cold is, deep inside my frozen hopeless heart. It doesn't matter how hot is if you're sad and lonely. Oh, and I love the winter sun... Oh, just one more thing, São Paulo is a grey city, it helps (?) a lot. Peace, Gui "Crap English, Crap!" Gui, while writing this message. PS - I say hello to all the people that I met at the chatroom... and all the people that got at least one mail from me... Look! I'm here! PS 2 - I know it was rude of me telling a story without introducing myself first... I apologise and I promise to do it someday... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Wed Jun 23 23:46:57 1999 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:46:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sing us another song Mr Hoskins! In-Reply-To: <19990622231610.95999.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19990622231610.95999.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Shut up! I'm thinking! I'm thinking! So shut up! Genieveveveve - buena suerte with your prom and all that did indeed write: >Stuart David`s gone down that unkempt road. Too far down it,for sure. Stuart >Murdoch is the certified sauce-pot now. And Mick Cooke and his eyebrows. >Hubba Hubba! The girls stink though.Sorry,but we must all accept this. (B&S >Boys = Hot Stuff, Isobel = Cold Fish, Sarah = Neutral Territory) NO WAY! Your description of Isobel is not only insulting to fish but also dismisses a perfectly reasonable temperature. Are there apt words enough to describe the sheer horror of Isobel? Who knows who cuts her hair? They should be locked up. And Sarah - I LOVE SARAH! I'd marry her except I'm a girlie and she is too and those things are frowned upon within mainstream society, aye they are. She's ace. She's ONE OF US, man. I'd buy her a vodka and lime anyday. Whereas I'd buy Isobel a nice pink fluffywuffy cyanide cocktail. Heh. I prefer *Richards* eyebrows myself. Look about www.majordomo.net/sinister for a picture of Richard "expressing considerable surprise". Hehehehe! Mick is...very FOR THE LADS!!!! if you know what I mean. I think of him like that anyway. FOR THE LADS!!!! in a laddy way, not as in Gay eXchange way. Unless theres something I dunno, should I just shut the freak up? Señorita Arantxa: (tengo un examen en español mañana. buena flipping suerte, digo, lo necesito.) >I cannot work out with my poor imagination how they sound in a >tropical country, as the closest to the Tropics I have ever been is Gran >Canaria, and issues as foxes in the snow,Debenhams weekend jobs, school >uniforms are so distant in physical and emotional temperature. I've been kind of thinking the same thing - I supose you do when Sinisters just so dagnabbed multi-national. Spanish weather is like the blimming tropics to me so I wonder the same thing! I have a song called "Looking For a Fox". Its dead cheesey and it makes me grin. Its true though, B&S are coming from yer boring old UK culture but yet it can connect across oceans and many cultural gaps. Its interesting, and I'd like to continue this.... do you mind if I continue this later mayhap? I have an exam tomorrow, I'm tired and no puedo recordar alguno espanol que necesito por los examenes y mi espanol es PANTS anyway. How depressing. I'm going to fail. "always look on the briiight side of life!" -- one part of my mind "who cares, you're just going to die anyway..." -- the other part of my mind I'm working on my "angsty teen" bits. Its all the fault of Tindersticks. THE MELODRAMA! byebye, Sarah xxx ***Girlz in Braz wit' Loud Geetarz: ***http://www.Droolz.ukf.net ***Droolz - with a license to spank! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From u01cjtc at xxx.uk Thu Jun 24 01:38:01 1999 From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:38:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Sing us another song Mr Hoskins! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Sarah wrote: > >Stuart David`s gone down that unkempt road. Too far down it,for sure. Stuart > >Murdoch is the certified sauce-pot now. And Mick Cooke and his eyebrows. This like totally reminded me of that whole stuart david smells of wee thing that was going on ages ago. When I met wayne coyne from the flaming lips, after they supported mercury rev in aberdeen, which was a great show the small fire 2 songs into mercury rev's set really adding to the atmosphere, I asked him if he noticed at the bowlie if stuatd david really did smell of wee and he said that he didn't, which was reassuring. But he does still allways seem to be wearing the same clothes. I'm bored, really really bored, but I found out today that I passed all my exams. I probably shouldn't send this as noone will find it remotely interesting, but i havn't written in months, oops I just hit send. colin. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com Thu Jun 24 09:24:40 1999 From: Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com (Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:24:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Looking, looking, looking, looking at me are you? Message-ID: <8025679A.002D9C0F.00@gbemea05.emea.jwt.com> Oi, leave Isobel alone you bad, bad people. I watched Sleater Kinney with her at Bowlie and she was a vision of loveliness. And her haircut is a miracle of modern haircare. And she sings like a bloody angel. So there. In the absence of anything of interest to say, I will say nothing else. I was going to give you all a joke about Soph and Eddie, but I understand that owing to its somewhat blue content, younger Sinisterines may be offended. But as it is, they're just bored. J. D. Salinger --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "you take a really sleepy man, Esmé, and he always stands a chance of again becoming a man with all his fac - with all his f-a-c-u-l-t-i-e-s intact" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". 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Message-ID: <19990624094120.68638.qmail@hotmail.com> ok so i was at a local pub for a brief period yesterday and me and my pal richard was talking about how "helter skelter" must have been the first ever hardrock song. we agreed on this. then i talked to my friend gabriel on the phone and he said no fucking way. he claimed that the song wasn't hardrock. now i wouldn't really care what he says usually (hmmm) but he is a self confessed hardrock lover. so i thought i ask you, what you think about this... johan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Thu Jun 24 12:48:04 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:48:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: brighton meet up Message-ID: <01BEBE3F.CDA96380.p.cullen@music-control.com> just a quick note about the plans for sunday: we are meeting in the "fortune of war" pub on the beach @ 2.30pm. all four of us (so far). so if anyone else is feeling brave...... :) paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Thu Jun 24 14:16:19 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:16:19 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Knock Us Pop Flat! Message-ID: <01bebe43$bf943500$LocalHost@itjfvkli> In a little while from now, if I'm not feeling any less sour, I promise myself to treat myself and join the Jeepster list, and climbing to the top, I'm going to slag myself right off, in an effort to make it clear to who.....etc. I hope I don't find out though, otherwise I might get thumped by myself at the next picnic and have to run into the nearest public lavatories to hide from myself. I wouldn't be surprised if I end up bumming myself senseless and having to call an ambulance. Nee nar nee nar nee nar! "What," thought Alice "is the point of a Belle and Sebastian mailing list without Oooon?" None. Three cheers for Mister Paul. If we're setting SOS up again, can I take part this time? Don't forget kids, those Tigermilk bootlegs have got extra tracks tagged on the end, and a picture of some tits on the cover - you know it makes sense. Can anyone guess whose films I think are pseudo-intellectual guff for self-congratulatory, culturally myopic half-wits with no body hair? Don't write in, it's just for fun. That comment about "Friends" by the Beach Boys stuck in my head too. I've filed it away with something about "chatting about Ride" at school, and a refusal to play "Sister Disco" by the WHO at that Tigermilking night the other week, because it's not indie enough. Grrr. Very grrr. Many fluffy returns of the day to Sarah. Eighteen already, eh? Quite the young lady. You should just twat that beardy bloke at the record shop, who does he think he is? Is it Thursday or Friday? love, Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From NeilD at xxx.uk Thu Jun 24 15:25:05 1999 From: NeilD at xxx.uk (Neil Dewhurst) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:25:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Star, star crazy. Message-ID: <704AE307AB53D2119EE300805F7DF7551FDBC3@NCMSERVER> I know this may hurt, but I have to say it anyway. I went to see REM last night, and seeing Mike "Elvis" Mills, Peter Rickenbacker and that tall thin guy who's also in the band leap on stage like complete and utter f***ing stars beat the hell out of any live moment I'd ever experienced. Tindersticks the first time was magical, B&S the first time was, well, quite sweet really, but this took the biscuit. Just imagine if you'd spent 9 years listening to Belle & Sebastian, and you'd never had a chance to go and see them, and then suddenly there they were on stage. You have to imagine as well that they were pure Rawk as opposed to shyly embarrased. Now, either I'm extremely shallow, or that would be a great moment. I did see someone with a IYFS t-shirt on, so if you're out there, am I right, or am I right? Also, i saw one of those marvellous random music references that journalists are so fond of in the Guardian a couple of weeks ago. On the subject of the boyband musical - surreally titled "Boyband" - the writer declared that good music is good music whether its by a manufactured group or by Belle & Sebastian. Without wishing to infer facts that don't hold up, my interpretation is that only songs written by manufactured bands or by Belle & Sebastian are good. Which is pretty damning, really. Personally I think that B&S are marketing hype and nothing else. The band has been put together so that all the personalities complement each other perfectly. They claim to write their own songs, which is what all boy / girl / infant / baby bands do. Don't be fooled. I happen to know for a fact that Prince wrote "Ease your feet...", Paula Abdul had a hand in "Fox in the snow", and that B*Witched originally wrote "Rollercoaster ride" (it's about Chessington, you know). Stuart Murdoch's real name is Alan Gettysburg, and the vocals are all recorded by Milli Vannilli. Pete Tong is being lined up to produce the next album, provisionally titled "The Scrubbers guide to Dundee". Regards, Neil Xxx "Happy he and he alone, he who can call today his own." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Elizabeth.Kurtis at xxx.com Thu Jun 24 17:06:17 1999 From: Elizabeth.Kurtis at xxx.com (Kurtis, Elizabeth) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:06:17 -0000 Subject: Sinister: Summer poptacular! Message-ID: <262810611403D211A8FF00A0C94CAF3B024DE391@QUAY-STREET1> Hello kitten kaboodles, It's been that kind of day, one where it's muggy and grey out when the Big Breakfast forecast promised us sunshine, so I thought I'd inject a little POP into all of your lives. This morning we were opening our sackloads of mail in one of the rooms deep in the cabbage-scented basement at Granada, when 3 giggling young ladies popped their heads in to ask the whereabouts of Dressing Room 4. 'That way,' we answered, but hang on a sec....it was Cleopatra, comin' atcha!! Yes indeed, apparently the Cleopatra girls still live in Hulme and were in the studio for some shoot. I can tell you that one of them is sporting blue extension braids and they wear huge platform trainers, even in the daytime. B&S content: Pumpkinny and I watched the B&S documentary the other day, it was slightly better than I expected but still a bit cringeworthy. Especially that girl on the bus reading the 'B&S' comic book. 'Let's form a band!' 'I play the cello!' 'I've got a lovely stuffed lion!' etc. etc. I was also quite let down that Harold the Horse didn't make the final edit. Nice to see Caleb at the beginning though. love, elisabeth +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Thu Jun 24 16:13:15 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:13:15 -0400 Subject: Sinister: The Queen is dead boys Message-ID: <199906241113_MC2-7AA8-F755@compuserve.com> The Belle and Sebastian list is dead, en email from Dave Kitchen, huh, Dave, yea, we're like that (Please use appropriate fingering) said that due to no bugger writing emails he was shutting it down. Ironically the last email from the B&S list said how shit Sinister conversation was and how great B&S conversation was. And I must admit, in the time (a week)I belonged to the B&S list I only ever received about 8 email all of which were slagging us off in the first paragraph and then saying how great their conversation was in the second. They then made their signature and said bub bye. This is apposed to the last week in Sinister, I've received, oh, I don't know, say 60 emails about all sorts of things. and for those of you out there who'll be thinking "oh, how ironic, he's just said how rubbish B&S list was and how great Sinister is by saying that the people on B&S say Sinister is shit and how great B&S is". Well, there were not that many emails going through the B&S list where as here there's loads, oh they may not be as cleaver as they were when FunkySeb was here but there okay, could do better as could this. And if you think about it, this email has got B&S content in it so there! If Northy was meant to be such a great bloke, why has he only sent 1 email in the last what ever it was since he re joined. If a body catch a body coming through the Rye +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Thu Jun 24 16:16:54 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:16:54 -0400 Subject: Sinister: I'm watching the ghost busters Message-ID: <199906241117_MC2-7A9F-71E0@compuserve.com> Oh dear, that sounded like I was slagging off Northy, I wasn't. It's just that I've read what he wrote in the archives and I thought it was pretty funny, and since I was on about content of emails, well, you get it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ooon at xxx.th Thu Jun 24 17:29:40 1999 From: ooon at xxx.th (oon) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:29:40 +0700 Subject: Sinister: Night of the Living Dress Message-ID: <37725CF3.22F72CCB@samart.co.th> (i don't speak English. please don't hold me responsible for the bad pun above) it's tonight! Pookie Droolz Prom Night! or is it last night?? anyway, i'm very excited. i never have any prom. high school seemed to have something, can't remember what it was like but definitely not a Prom. i want to send my spirit to witness the heaving bosom Genevieve having a ball of her life but Canada is so far i can't imagine what it looks like. Pookie when you regain your conscious please do tell! Queen Genevieve wondered: > .I wonder what Murdoch`s type is. Delicate like him or > lusty mamas like Salma Hayek and Jennifer Lopez? > firstly, Mr Murdoch was a boxer. don't you have a saying "once a boxer, always a boxer"? from that evidence alone, i can bet my neonyellow highheel boot he'd go straight for those gladiator mamas. satisfaction guaranteed or get his boxing glove back. Secondly, i've bought this Thaiboxing short for Mr Murdoch since i heard he's a boxer. but it's too long ago i simply forgot about it until lately. it's very red and very hmm eyecatching. i wish i could see him wearing it having a go with one of those gladiator mamas. Mr Robin said in Thai accent (sorry Mr Robin): > I'm unable to read books set in > America unless I imagine American accents, > everyone i read speak half Thai half english with a Thai accent, whoever they may be. that's why it takes so long to read anything. i've tried reading out loudly. very foolish and exhausting. even take longer. since i lost my dictionary reading became easier, but less comprehensible. when there's hard word i will guess and dive through it, hopeful that the meaning will come to me in the end. that's not often successful. so as a new year present to myself, i'm going to buy a fucking huge dictionary, as a tribute to Honey's Fucking Huge Computers. who knows what i might achieve with it. swear more fluently, possibly. Lady Sarah exclaimed: > FOR THE LADS!!!! in a laddy way, not as in Gay eXchange way. > you mean as in a lad vs a lad? not a gay vs a lad, yes? talking about gender fluidity! that's deep and profound of your vision, my dear Starry Droolz. i reckon you can make a living out of reading people eyebrows here. i've heard feetreading is quite good but i never try. i don't like turning up my feet for people to read, it's too awkward. that photo of Richard is timeless, yes! his face will always remind me of how exciting/amazing it was hearing they won the Brits. may i ask you all to raise your thumb up in the air for Richard? Thank you. love, oon xxx (Linda have you seen yourself in the telly yet?) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From oliver at xxx.uk Thu Jun 24 18:00:03 1999 From: oliver at xxx.uk (Oliver) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:00:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Ooberman on telly!!! Message-ID: <000301bebe63$c39defe0$2f12e1d4@rcspo> Seriously shocking news...The tennis match between the two ubergermans was a bit boring so I was flicking trough the channels and on the crappy local tv show before local news (Yorkshire tv Tonight) they were interviewing Ooberman. The two guys seemed either bored as hell or on something and the interview wasn't exactly interesting (yeah, the name was from a comic strip, we're playing Glastonbury on Sunday, that sort of thing...) but they did sing A Million Suns live and he's got an amazing voice. The bird was wearing an Oobergirl t-shirt too. I was so shcked about it I thought I had to tell you all B&S content - found their first single Dog on Wheels in HMV and Andy's Records today. Spoilt for choice now really. And in Our Price they had a poster advertising the rerelease of Tigermilk. It's all happening now you know. Oliver +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Thu Jun 24 18:12:21 1999 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:12:21 -0700 Subject: Sinister: For those about to talk we salute you... Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990624101221.00b7de20@mail.hooked.net> Heya! I found an interesting "American <-> British" English dictionary. Not sure if it has everything that should be in there, but there are some interesting ones... http://www.accomodata.co.uk/amlish.htm Señor Droolcup <- exile in sighland - * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * - the Rescuers - next gig on 6/25 fri, 9pm - brainwash http://www.therescuers.net help at therescuers.net "3 out of 4 dentists recommend us to reduce plaque." - * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * - +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From snorman at xxx.uk Thu Jun 24 18:08:07 1999 From: snorman at xxx.uk (Sam Norman) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:08:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: health and safety Message-ID: Today is my last day in my office until September, term finishes and i'm no longer required here. We had the health and safety around today though. If major changes aren't made i may never come back to this lovely orange room in a basement of Russel Square. See there just aren't any fire exits. But I do have some major important news about the future though. Someone told me that there will be a major gathering again of like minded people in the near future. And that again these people will meet in in some venue near Highbury fields. But more on that later. I can't wait for the picnic at the begining of July. Is it some kind of Primrose Hill fest or something? A two day extravaganza? I'll be quite content on just the Sunday, July 4th as its my birthday!! I'll be 20! I saw REM on Tuesday. A very pleasant experience by all accounts it was. I managed to get into the special bit at the front of Earls Court where you have to have a wristband, and you can actually see the band. Stereolab where the support, and they were mighty fine. They played a couple of new songs. One strangely titled, "This might be a single one day" to which many of my fellow members of the audience (99% being the unitiated) replied along the lines of, "If they ever get signed" to which the reply over heard more then once was, "They're gonna have to learn english if there ever gonna make it." Last night I wrote A Manifesto of Affection. See I'm going through a kind of relationship crisis, a kind of hangover from a past relationships. The ex just threatened to call the cops on me, because a friend of mine insulted her last August. Anyone who wants to be in a relationship with me will have to agree with the Manifesto I've decided. I don't know maybe this is a bit far fetched but i've been burnt quite severely in the past, chip pan accidents and the sort. While I was writting last night I came up with this phrase, "When was the last time you had no money, When was the last time you saw your dad dressed like mummy." It just seemed to Morrisey for me to have thought it up. I must have nicked it from somewhere. Anyway I have now returned my copy of Tigermilk to it's rightful owner. So I am just gonna have to wait to get my own copy before i can satisfy my needs. I'm now of to the bar if anyone wants to join me Sam +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From marska1 at xxx.com Thu Jun 24 20:19:32 1999 From: marska1 at xxx.com (Maren Fisher) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:19:32 PDT Subject: Sinister: B&S in London Message-ID: <19990624191933.44744.qmail@hotmail.com> Is that b&s night (at a club or pub?) somewhere in London still happening? Where is it? Someone please send me details, as I am hoping very much to go. It would lovely to meet some b&s fans. I did see a boy wearing a Stow shirt at a club last week- it made my night. Thanks! maren _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From justin at xxx.com Thu Jun 24 20:46:01 1999 From: justin at xxx.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:46:01 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk first listening to Message-ID: <4.1.19990624144004.009d10a0@delafont.com> Afternoon sinisterines, I don't have much time to write but I just listened to Tigermilk for the first time thanks to a wonderful Mr. Chris McQuain who was kind enough to make me a copy =) And I just want to immediately express my awe, reverence and amazement at the whole album first off but especially "We Rule the School" and "My Wandering Days Are Over"... My friend was listening to it with me and made the comment that it sounded like we were listening to angels practicing songs that they hadn't quite polished completely. The fact that B&S can cut an album that sounds both amateurish (only in the recording) and beyond it's years at the same time absolutely floors me. I am hypnotized by their beauty. That is all =) Enjoy the rest of your respective days... Justin W Felonius Monk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Thu Jun 24 22:04:58 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:04:58 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Nostalgia's for the lame Message-ID: Long time, no see... Well last time I posted about my absinthe-induced debauchery, it seemed to provoke quite a bit of interest. So now that the last couple of weeks since then have been even more eventful, I felt it my duty to keep you all up to date. So if you don't care, you may as well delete now... OK, the story so far: Stan, who is a friend of a friend from another college, was going out with Laura. For the second time, after splitting up painfully a couple of years ago. Stan's two best friends in college are Chris and Evie (despite persistent rumours, Stan and Evie have always claimed that nothing ever went on between them). At a party 2 1/2 weeks ago, I got rather too intimate with Laura (not that intimate, you smutty-minded fools) whilst Stan was in the next room. Now, last Tuesday was the night of our college May Ball (free drink and food all night, comedians, a hypnotist (yes, I did it again...), dodgems, Boy George DJing, and Roland Gift (who used to be in the Fine Young Cannibals) playing a great set, including all the old hits, like Suspicious Minds and She Drives Me Crazy). At this Ball, Stan's friends Chris and Evie got together, and as far as I know they still are. Also at the ball, I got together with Evie's best friend, Emma. Also at the ball, Stan and Laura conspicuously failed to get together, and subsequently split up three days later. Are you still following this? Good, because on Monday of this week, Emma and I split up (possibly the world's shortest relationship!) because she's graduating tomorrow and won't be around after that. And now this afternoon, in a pub by the river, I resumed getting intimate with the now-single Laura. Who, incidentally, is also graduating this weekend and leaving Cambridge on Monday. Oh, and I forgot to mention, Evie and I are currently planning on travelling around South America together for a couple of months at the beginning of next year. Even though I haven't been in contact with her since I split up with Emma, since I'm sure she had something to do with the splitting-up process. The soap operas couldn't come up with a story like this. It's typical, you wait months for any gossip to happen to you and then loads comes along at once... Anyway, I'm currently debating in my mind whether I want to spend so long with Evie or not. If you've got any opinions on the subject, I'll be amazed that you've managed to figure out what the hell's going on... In other news, I'm now working 6 days a week in a local pub, so I doubt if I'll be making it to many picnics for a while. But then, everyone knows that the only thing we do at picnics is discuss Genevieve's heaving-bosom prom dress. Well, that and taking the piss out of Mark C's ever-receding hairline. Oh, and while I'm here, the new Shack album is good, but not as good as Michael Head's last album (The Magical World Of The Strands) which you should all have bought by now. And I can't listen to the Shack single 'Comedy' without it reminding me of Sheryl Crow's 'All I Want To Do'. Which is not a good thing. Oh no. I still haven't found out which 4 people have been voting for me as their list crush, but I'd like to... Big Stu (List Tart Extraodinaire...) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Fri Jun 25 03:26:14 1999 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:26:14 -0400 Subject: Sinister: I Love Love (and other ramblings) Message-ID: <3772E8C6.34C60127@ohiou.edu> Hello, I seem to have deleted the message I had intended on replying to. Drat. Uh, well it's a few days old, and the person in question had posted about how he thought that the Dog on Wheels EP reminded him of Love. I wanted to report that I had similar thoughts about the title track sounding like Love, although not the whole thing. Also, it should be pointed out that "Expectations," from Tigermilk sounds quite a lot like Love as well. Nothing against Stevie, but sometimes I wonder how the band would sound if the fellow from the Dog on Wheels session played guitar in the band now instead of Stevie. Other times I wonder what the band might sound like if Maurice Deebank played guitar, and those are probably the most pleasant imaginings of the band I have. I have also wondered what the band would sound like if they roughed up Stevie until he relented and always played like he does on "A Century of Fakers." That's quite nice as well. Not to say I don't like B&S as they are now, it's just that... sometimes I wonder what they would sound like if Stevie didn't play like Steve Cropper nearly all of the time. By the way, I don't think I posted anything about the Nick Drake tribute I mentioned in an earlier post. It was quite pleasant, and we got to see two fo the people who'll be singing on the next Magnetic Fields album. Didn't find out that they would be doing those vocals until after the show, but we liked them all the same. Yeah, I don't really have any interesting anecdotes for the day...but maybe it's better that way ;) /"\_/"\_/"\ Brian Pennington, a.k.a. Mick McMick; Sandcastle Records \ / bp224996 at ohiou.edu ICQ#5056758 | | Sandcastle Recs Homepage: http://www.frognet.net/~mick/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From P68d6ern at xxx.com Fri Jun 25 04:30:18 1999 From: P68d6ern at xxx.com (P68d6ern at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:30:18 EDT Subject: Sinister: sinister: beatleas: hardrock pioneers or... Message-ID: <1921928a.24a451ca@aol.com> In a message dated 6/24/99 8:43:28 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, i_love_moon at hotmail.com writes: << ok so i was at a local pub for a brief period yesterday and me and my pal richard was talking about how "helter skelter" must have been the first ever hardrock song. we agreed on this >> I would have to agree with you and your pal. Helter Skelter is most likely the first "true" hardrock song. If I am correct I think Ozzy Osbourne has made the same comment; and he should know. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.EDU Fri Jun 25 08:18:58 1999 From: ynoh at xxx.EDU (Youn Jong Noh) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: I Love Love (and other ramblings, ramblings added) In-Reply-To: <3772E8C6.34C60127@ohiou.edu> Message-ID: Why doesn't Lesley Jo leap to Isobel's defense? Has her art student become serious? Do you think that these sorts of crushes (the Isobel one) go away when someone real turns up? Types are convenient. At first, I thought they were just a nicer way of saying "I don't like x", but they're more than that. With types, everyone has a chance to be loved and everyone sees differently. Types are GOOD. ( ... unless a person seems to have no objective basis for whether or not someone is his/her type and we sadly return to the rule beauty <=> power (in both directions, mind you)) I thought Isobel's voice was not my type, but I like Harriet Wheeler's voice, which I hope no one will mind my saying is of the same type, so this explanation is no good. No good transition either ... On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records wrote: > Nothing against Stevie, but sometimes I wonder how the band would sound > if the fellow from the Dog on Wheels session played guitar in the band > now instead of Stevie. Other times I wonder what the band might sound > like if Maurice Deebank played guitar, and those are probably the most > pleasant imaginings of the band I have. I have also wondered what the > band would sound like if they roughed up Stevie until he relented and > always played like he does on "A Century of Fakers." That's quite nice > as well. > Not to say I don't like B&S as they are now, it's just that... > sometimes I wonder what they would sound like if Stevie didn't play like > Steve Cropper nearly all of the time. I tried to listen for the difference but I don't know who Steve Cropper is so I'm not sure I understand what you mean. This may be obvious to the majority of the people on the list, in which case I feel silly for asking, but I thought other people might be in the same boat. And this sounds very interesting. Do you mean you wonder what it would sound like if Stevie plucked instead of strummmed (sorry I don't know (how to talk) about guitars or music), like Maurice Deebank? How does one play like Maurice Deebank or Arthur Lee? Is it because the fingering(?) is difficult? Do they play only higher strings? A while back people were talking about whether or not you should listen to music while you do other things. I think that when an album is brand new, it is best to listen to it in bed in the dark on a night when you are not too tired, whether or not it's "bedtime" music. This regimen is only for people with a limited budget for CDs; otherwise not every purchase may merit this attention. Then there's a familiarization stage, when you want to listen to it frequently so you do during things that don't require much attention like folding laundry. Then it's either back to stage 1 or it becomes distraction music, listened to during things that require even more attention. But it may be reclassified. There's a special category for music that is good to listen to in the car, i.e. "Love" by the Poster Children, which brings me to another rambling ... the rueful lack of public transportation in California, esp. southern ... all the missed opportunities for making eye contact with fellow human beings! Oh, the point of this was that I actually feel worse when I'm doing other things while listening to Felt, not cos I like them more but I guess cos the music is more detailed. Sorry I got carried away with the rambling ... Youn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rehakk at xxx.edu Fri Jun 25 14:20:44 1999 From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: you look great from there though i don't care Message-ID: hello kitties! it's friday! i'm in love! actually i'm not... and i never have been... i'm just happy because i don't have to slave at job #3 this weekend (though i *need* money terribly--any donations would be appreciated!) and this one movie i really want to see, the loss of sexual innocence, is finally coming to a theater near me! sidenote: laaa! er, is this one really as good as it appears to be? please, any opinions would be appreciated, though i'm going to see it even if you think that it's merely a pile of shite slapped on film. i'm also quite excited because i'm meeting a friend for lunch today whom i haven't seen for about six months. obviously, it doesn't take much to make me giddy. er...well, i don't know if this is still on-topic or not, but i don't think i would hate b&s if they were ugly (though they are ALL beautiful to me, yes, even isobel. i think she's a fox, hubba hubba.) in fact, i don't think that i even knew what they really looked like until after a year+ of me loving them when late last summer i had some extra time at work and free access to the internet. i didn't even know that that was stuartm on 3..6..9..either. call me ignorant, it doesn't matter. i'll just burrow myself into a little hole and cry. i remember conversing with a friend about a similar topic and i told her "i love this band belle and sebastion, i love their MUSIC, i have no idea what they even look like, i don't CARE." it was in reference to the fact that any band this friend liked she would have a crush on one of the boys in it. for instance, me: "do you like soandso?" her: "yeah, their drummer's hot." (is this making sense?) it was frustrating anyhow. so there's my two cents. pick it up, you'll get an extra day of luck. onto other things: is anyone on the list familiar with voodoo dolls? if so i have a favor to ask of you: would you make a doll of me and perform acupuncture to it??? bitte? please? i'm just feeling awful and dizzy. if you do it and it works, i'll bake you some oatmeal raisan cookies. yum. well, if i was to say something else, i've forgotten it. tootoo, KIMberly xx ps. hello to all of my sinister friends! please write, i'm bored! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Fri Jun 25 15:09:28 1999 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:09:28 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: don't look forward... Message-ID: what a strange mixture of happiness and sadness my life is at the moment. (don't worry, i'll force some b&s content in later to make up for that start.) it was my birthday last saturday - this was a good thing because i got attention and presents and we picnicked in a park with a jazz band playing. (isn't frisbee great? but why do we only play it in summer? i think frisbee in the snow would be gorgeous.) but it was also a bad thing because i am now 21 and have no excuse to behave immaturely any more, i guess. plus my b'friend is still 19, so i feel like mrs robinson. it is summer, which is a lovely thing, full of strawberries and long long sunny evenings with friends, and wimbledon. but summer also means the end of my university career, saying goodbye to most of of my closest friends (including my b'friend who has gone to france), returning to the arse end of east sussex, and exam results (which i get on tuesday.) cue the Real World, where as yet i have no role, ie. no job. and less than no money. so i have words to say about depression music, too. i went to a party on wednesday where someone started playing How Soon Is Now, which nearly finished me off completely. at that moment i wanted to hear madonna, abba, even steps, anything in fact with a beat and minimal emotional content. i thought i was of the school which shunned catharsis/wallowing, basically. however, at times recently, in the privacy of my own room, i have had an inexplicable urge for The Boy Done Wrong Again, for BlackEyed Dog, for I Wish I Never Saw the Sunshine, etc. For Leonard Cohen and The Smiths. And I played the The Sky Is Too High by Graham Coxon the other day, which is one of those bleak, pared down albums guaranteed to sharpen your depression to a fine point. i think, on reflection, that while we might need cheery music in public, just to survive, there is definitely a need to open up to emotions in private. listening to sad music (oh, i forgot to mention Elgar's cello concerto and bach's cello suite no. 1) is like lancing a boil. unpleasant but necessary. plus, it can really help to imagine that someone else has been as miserable as you are. actually, i find listening to b&s comforting in a different way to either happy or sad music. it's a mixture of familiarity, of that caressing tone in stuart murdoch's voice, and just of the feeling of *rightness* you get from hearing such perfectly created songs. okay, ramble over. i intended to be pretty, witty, sparkling and brief, cos people might love me then, but never mind. watching friends playing in the dirt, archelita xxx PS: lesley jo, you are a *. :) and i'd just like to say now, although you have been ominously silent on the subject, that i for one do not support sarah's outrageous anti-isobel stance AT ALL. PPS: york uni's student planner/calendar thing has an ad for Tigermilk on it. life can't be all bad. PPPS: on the other hand, i can't ****ing go to either the london or the brighton meet-ups this weekend, because although i have nothing to do and would LOVE to head south for a bit, i have, as previously mentioned, no money. PPPPS: but on the third hand, neil and oon just made me laugh like a tit. PPPPPS: someone buy me a train ticket and i'll shut up. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth do something pretty while you can don't be afraid rap101 at york.ac.uk skating a pirouette on ice is cool http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Fri Jun 25 15:11:30 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:11:30 EDT Subject: Sinister: Time to say goodbye Message-ID: <26263fde.24a4e812@aol.com> Hello, I will soon get a tape of the gig B & S played in Munich last year. It's a radio recording and really good quality (I've been told). Should anyone be interested in a copy, mail me your offers (except Jordi, who will get a copy anyway). Is anyone willing to share a chalet with me and my friend at All Tomorrow's Parties? Preferably someone who can either speak German or doesn't mind putting up with the worst German accents in the world. But of course you don't have to talk to us if you don't want to! We won't bother you. I will the one who buys the tickets. Can someone please tell me how long it takes to go from the South of Scotland to Camber Sands in a car? Please mail me privatly, I will leave the list right after posting this. And I won't be at home for the next 2 weeks, so please don't expect a reply too soon. I will write to you as soon as I'm back home. Youn said: > Why doesn't Lesley Jo leap to Isobel's defense? Has her art student > become serious? Do you think that these sorts of crushes (the Isobel one) > go away when someone real turns up? I can't speak for Lesley Jo, but yes, they do go away. Although I don't understand why people think of people in bands as not "real". What are they then? Visions? (Well, some of them seem like they are ... :-)) Robots? They are people like you and me ... more or less. Anyway, have a nice summer, maybe I'll be back with you one day. But I know you won't miss me. Bye Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bkim0 at xxx.edu Fri Jun 25 15:32:36 1999 From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Zen And The Art of Guitar Playing Message-ID: <199906251432.KAA105414@dept.english.upenn.edu> WARNING: GUITAR GEEK SPEAK AHEAD. I think what Mick-cubed was trying to say Youn (btw that's my mom's name as well...uh, anyways) is that Stevie Jackson tries to emulate Steve Cropper who is the guitarist for Booker T. and the MG's...you know, the instrumental combo from the '60s who not only played on most of the Stax recordings (Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett, Sam & Dave, etc.) but had their own hits like "Green Onions" which is a very popular tune to put in commercials. If you are an oldies listener like I am you can hear Sam--or Dave--say "Play it, Steve!" in "Soul Man." That's Steve Cropper. Basically his playing was a kind of funky rhythmic choppy half-chord, playing the top three strings. Obviously he did more than this (and that's what separates him from most of the session guitar players in the '60s who did that rhythmic choppy thing on the 2 and the 4 for every single song imaginable...the intro to "Soul Man" is sublime, as is his work on "Dock of the Bay") but that's the kind of style you can hear Stevie emulate, esp. on "Dirty Dream No. 2." I have no idea what Arthur Lee's playing is like. Sadly I have not yet been introduced to Love. Soon, my pretties, soon. But as for Maurice Deebank...well, the man was a monster. Classically trained and *very* nimble-fingered. Dare I say the Segovia of indiepop? His style was usually made up of very intricate fingered lines that require superhuman ability to play ("The World Is As Soft As Lace" is jaw-dropping from a compositional *and* technical standpoint). I bow down to Steve Cropper and Maurice Deebank. I hope this has been somewhat helpful, though it's probably waaay more than you wanted to know. Ask me about my beatiful new acoustic guitar, Xavier BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0 at dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From andrea.ware at xxx.com Fri Jun 25 15:34:27 1999 From: andrea.ware at xxx.com (foxinthesnow) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:34:27 -0700 Subject: Sinister: crossed arms Message-ID: so this is my first official post, i think... i have just been sitting along the wayside, trying my hand at patience...reading all of this mail... but i am in a predicament, and was hoping you all could help me out, and it does have its belle and sebastian relations, slight as they are... there was a boy i casually dated a few months back...he was very much into making me say that i would be his 'girlfriend', that there would be something exclusive between us, meowmeowmeow...well i couldn't tell him that and he gave me the 'let's be friends' spiel. sometime before that he lent me a few cds,3...6...9... and lazy line painter jane were among them. and since the speech that i was naive enough to believe was what he wanted, he has ignored me completely. (let me say too that he is one of those people that poses as having emotions, listens to the smiths and b&s, likes incredible music like the lilys and the apples in stereo, and whathave you,but all around, he is a one dimensional square, i don't understand it at all, but hey...) well he prpposed that if i give him his cds back, he'll make me a copy with his cd burner....i just don't know if i should comply....what do you all think? let me know. i hope all is well in the worlds of the listfolk. andrea get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Fri Jun 25 16:07:18 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:07:18 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Up my own arse Message-ID: <199906251107_MC2-7AC6-7452@compuserve.com> Just thought you might like this http://www.nme.com/newswire/19990521145028news.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From justin at xxx.com Fri Jun 25 16:47:46 1999 From: justin at xxx.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:47:46 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Re: Images Message-ID: <4.1.19990625103534.009d0940@delafont.com> Hello those out there of a sinister nature, I hope this post is not met with too much conflict, but I feel I must make a comment about the recent string of shallow posts on the relativeness of B&S's popularity to their appearances. Come on people, is shallowness really what B&S fans are all about? I'm not into name dropping, but I have read "I would hate them if they didn't look the way they did" and other such things and it uneases me. Hopefully there are more people on the list who don't care about things like appearances than there are that do. I have seen too many people like a band just for their image, and eventually they all start looking like the band which I think is absolutely funny and ridiculous. It's one thing to admire their looks in conjunction with their music, but rating appearance over sound?? I don't know, I don't mean to offend anyone, but if B&S are about an image, I think I will stick to just listening to them rather than go to see them (which if they are not, I would give up my first born to see them live). I sincerely hope there are people out in sinister land that agree with me, but if not, se la vie or something of that sort. Take care everyone, again, no offense intended... Justin W Felonius Monk "Often I tried the frightening way of "reality," Where things that count are profession, law, fashion, finance, But disillusioned and freed I fled away alone To the other side, the place of dreams and blessed folly." - Hermann Hesse, Wanderings +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TNewth at xxx.com Fri Jun 25 17:01:11 1999 From: TNewth at xxx.com (Newth, Tom) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:01:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I'll only listen to a band for they way they look Message-ID: <0743C08C3772D211B8B50008C7A4F3B60188D147@PON-03> Hello everyone, I have read with interest the various posts about the *look* of Belle & Sebastian, and the sub-thread with regard to Isobel's looks (which has seemed a bit harsh I must say), and although it struck me as having come about as a result of a somewhat offhand flip comment from Monsieur Dastoooor, I believe it was, it has been replied to seriously from several quarters. What struck me was that a) (I got told off for long paragraphs - probably quite rightly - so here goes with nice letters and brackets..) They do look kind of odd but, first few sightings (to the non-obsessive, anyway) fairly unmemorable. Not to say that is bad, but just in the way that most people are unmemorable if you've had no cause to remember them. e.g: I love Mercury Rev to bits and have done for ages, but still can't remember what the drummer looks like. But that could be a drummer thing. The point is though, that I am sure none of us really do want to judge people solely on appearance, but the bottom line is that if Belle and Sebastian looked like KISS, their appeal would somehow be altered rather dramatically (tho imagine.. how cool?!) It is comforting that this band of bods who look fairly normal and sing songs that seem rooted in the everyday not only exist out there for us to enjoy and identify with, but also - by anyone's standards - write damn fine songs that you can really get your teeth into on intellectual and musical levels as well as the emotional. I wouldn't want to lose sight of the emotional impact, and certainly for me that is their bulk of their appeal, but it is the fact that I can take pleasure in more than that which put B&S up there for me. I'm not sure where this is going now (forgive me - I did drink rather a lot at lunchtime) but I think I was trying to say that it's good B&S look normal cos it's easy to feel some sort of identification with them, and it's easy to take pleasure in their musical (not commercial, tho the whole Brit thing was deeply satisfying on many levels) achievements becuase somehow they're like us, normal people. Just far more talented. b) I do find it a bit disconcerting the Isobel-bashing that's been going. She's not my sort of lady looks-wise, but I still think she's rather pretty and I know one of my friends (you know who you are, JD) is harbouring an obsession bordering on the unhealthy. Cold fish she is not. But each to their own I suppose. And as for me, the red-headed girl who sang with the backing singers at Bowlie was way foxier and, as evinced by after, can really dance.. Apologies for being so serious for a friday afternoon - drinking at lunchtime you get maudlin round 5 o'clock... have a good weekend all, spoon PS I managed to avoid being pretentious and using the word *quotidien* in the above, but I like it so much I will now. Quotidien. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Fri Jun 25 17:58:05 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:58:05 -0700 Subject: Sinister: The eye of the beholder Message-ID: Hello Sinisterines- I got myself scolded by Sandcastle Records (in a VERY polite, friendly, non-offensive way) who reminded me that Honey didn't want loquacious people like me hogging the list. So I haven't posted in a while. BUT- this whole 'looks' thing is offensive and demeaning. I wouldn't want to prevent any Sinisterine from expressing their honest opinion, but if that opinion is that they would 'hate' the band if they weren't good-looking, the person expressing it is revealing, at the very least, their own narrow, shallow standard of 'beauty'. Although I don't happen to think any member of B&S is ugly in the least (and make no secret of my crush on cuddly Stuart M.), it wouldn't matter if they were- their MUSIC would still be beautiful. I happen to be too nice to name names, but if I hated bands that had members I found not attractive at all, I would hate both Arab Strap and Supergrass, and I really like those bands, and also realize there are plenty of people who DO find them attractive. So, in answer to the question, I most certainly would like Belle & Sebastian if they were ugly, as long as their music sounded the same. And everybody is beautiful to somebody. I would be really, really ashamed to admit that I only liked a band because of the way they looked. Perhaps the people who did that were just being facetious...? I'd like to think so. Also, and this is speaking as somebody who's never had the inclination to be a skirt-chaser (and what the hell does 'Gay Xchange' mean, anyway? I've read this phrase in several posts), I think that Isobel is beautiful and that mean, nasty prom girl who slagged her hair is simply jealous. Her golden locks are smiles and sunbeams. -Two or Three Things I Know About Chris +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Fri Jun 25 18:26:14 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:26:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: this weekend I will be mostly sculking around in black clothing (death, it's a good excuse for a sulk) Message-ID: Sam said: > Last night I wrote A Manifesto of Affection. See I'm going through a kind > of relationship crisis, a kind of hangover from a past relationships. The > ex just threatened to call the cops on me, because a friend of mine > insulted her last August. I hate my ex. I'm going to have to share a sixth form block with him for a year, and I can't stand the bloody sight of him (the kind of "I want to cut off my arm just so I have something to throw at him" hatred). My ex spent the whole time he was with me fancying my (ex) best friend. Which was a lovely experience I can tell you. So when I saw his moronic face grinning at me today, the morning after an evening of terrible food and a crap disco (they have the audacity to call it a leaver's *ball*, charge you £30 for the joy of eating cold lasange and watching your "friends" dancing to the vengaboys) It was TOO MUCH. (There was, infact, one moment of glory, after much questioning I discovered the dj did infact have a copy of Different Class, and agreed to play Disco, as long as the floor didn't clear. Which it did, apart from me and my friend Hannah. The bastard then switched it for a wanky dance remix of blur's Girls and Boys, like "oh, I can do indie, I can, I can". pah. I didn't have a heaving-bosom dress, because it wasn't a 'prom' and the budjet for my attire was probably considerably smaller. I wore a vintage (fifties) flowerprint dress, if you're interested.) wow, bigstu's lovelife sounds like one of the novels I got free with just seventeen a couple of weeks ago. I don't know about this Evie, she sounds sinister. Just the name, though, we don't really know much else about her, do we? You should all wish me luck, as I'll be balancing any number of plates and glasses staring my first ever job in Cafe Rouge. scary. Erica x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Fri Jun 25 18:35:37 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:35:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Papa John Creach...I'm in trouble deep... Message-ID: <199906251735.SAA30379@boober.lineone.net> Dear all, Not much to say, a couple of comments and a couple of questions. On the subject of The Beach Boys "Friends" I think it's a lovely album. There are few songs we could do without but so many of them are gorgeous. I love that naieve, slightly loopy feel. And I think there's a similarity in spirit at least between late 60s Beach Boys and B&S. It's a home made, amateur yet endearing thing. "Helter Skelter" is the earliest hard rock song I've ever heard. Certainly harder than most music which passes itself off as rock. Of course it can't really be hard rock (irony ahoy) as it's by that drippy wimpy simpering balladeering Paul McCartney. What a wuss! 2 questions: What is the link between the woman from Sleater Kinney and B&S? I was surprised they were at Bowlie, and then I saw her in one of their videos. Am I right in thinking if we've ordered our Tigermilks from Jeepster we might get them a bit early? I only ask cos (irony of ironies) I'm going to Glasgow for a week on the day it's released so it's gonna be sitting in my house while I'm far far away yet near where it's coming from. (Does anyone understand that last sentence?) Lastly definitely- some top depression tunes: And That's Why- Kenickie Here We Go- Arab Strap Ain't No Sunshine- Michael Jackson You're a Big Girl Now - Bob Dylan Oh and REM's 'Up' is an overlooked masterpiece. Yours Rob 'When you're dead there are millions of faces, How did I get this one?' - Lauren Laverne +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Fri Jun 25 18:55:00 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (katrina house) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:55:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Papa John Creach...I'm in trouble deep... References: <199906251735.SAA30379@boober.lineone.net> Message-ID: <3773C274.114E672C@jeepster.co.uk> hello, yes, i'm still in the office ... robhalcrow at lineone.net wrote: > What is the link between the woman from Sleater Kinney and B&S? I was surprised they were at Bowlie, and then I saw her in one of their videos. she's lance bangs' (the director of the 'dirty dream #2' video) girlfriend and the reason for them playing at bowlie would be because neil + stuart asked them to 'cos they like them. i have a list a mile long of depression songs but i might be tempted to play them if i start so i won't ... *sigh* cheers, katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From justin at xxx.com Fri Jun 25 19:36:12 1999 From: justin at xxx.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:36:12 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Re:images, for the last time In-Reply-To: <0743C08C3772D211B8B50008C7A4F3B60188D147@PON-03> Message-ID: <4.1.19990625131935.009d7e50@delafont.com> At 05:01 PM 6/25/99 +0100, Tom wrote: >The point is though, that I am sure none of us really do want to judge >people solely on appearance, but the bottom line is that if Belle and >Sebastian looked like KISS, their appeal would somehow be altered rather >dramatically (tho imagine.. how cool?!) It is comforting that this band of >bods who look fairly normal and sing songs that seem rooted in the everyday >not only exist out there for us to enjoy and identify with, but also - by >anyone's standards - write damn fine songs that you can really get your >teeth into on intellectual and musical levels as well as the emotional. Sorry to post twice in one day, but I completely agree with what Tom is saying however extreme the KISS example happens to be. Mr. Dastoor did indeed start this thread (although I am sure he has long since moved on), but I, like the few who have replied to this think that the people that have agreed with Nick were probably more serious than he was so I just want to make it clear I was not referring to him. The bottom line I was trying to make, however unsuccessfully, was that the shallowness in question doesn't necessarily have to be in relation to "gorgeous" people, but can equally apply to those who with average looks who exclude those who look different, more stereotypical or even more attractive. I understand that this has probably gone too far already and with way too much seriousness, but coming from an ex "prep" for a lack of a better word who used to hang out in high school with everyone that didn't look like him...I'm particularly sensitive to judgements coming from appearances. Anyways, enough of this, I was just surprised to see such a topic come up on the B&S list. Forgive any undue seriousness =P Bye bye all... Justin W Felonius Monk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From trarvild at xxx.se Fri Jun 25 20:05:24 1999 From: trarvild at xxx.se (Katarina Karlsson) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:05:24 +0200 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199906251912.VAA06809@mb06.swip.net> Just a litle HAPPY MIDSUMMER to everyone, and put seven flowers under youre pillow and have sweet dreams of youre Sebastian or Belle. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Fri Jun 25 20:27:28 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:27:28 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Connections Message-ID: In response to Rob Halcrow who queried: >>What is the link between the woman from Sleater Kinney and B&S? I was surprised they were at Bowlie, and then I saw her in one of their videos.<< Sleater-Kinney are from my hometown (Portland, Oregon, USA...) so I flipped when I saw Corin Tucker in the Dirty Dream #2 video. The only connection I can think of is that, while Sleater-Kinney are on the Kill Rock Stars label in the US, they're on Matador in the UK, while Belle & Sebastian are on Jeepster in the UK, but they're on Matador here. So, they're both on Matador in each other's countries. Plus, I think they share a very similar independent-pop idealism, though Sleater-Kinney is much noisier (an arbitrary distinction, methinks) than B&S. I'd like to say that, as all you residents of Glasgow well know, it's great to live in the same town as a 'pop star' you admire, and see them walking around doing their shopping and things. It's sweet, not like South Park 'sweet', just sweet :) She's a very nice girl, that Corin, very generous in her personality. -Chris +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Fri Jun 25 20:49:07 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:49:07 EDT Subject: Sinister: I Love Love (and other ramblings) Message-ID: I'm a huge Stevie Jackson fan so I guess I should come to his defense or something. I've always thought he's one of the most intelligent and sensitve lead players out there. I mean, the solo to "Fox in the Snow" is just pure brilliance (even if it is a tad simplistic). Another fave Stevie moment is the slide leads in the background of "Rollercoaster Ride" especially the one that immediately follows "Take Judy with the bow and arrow she's a mastermind." His harmonica on "Me and the Major" and "On the Radio" are quite tasty too. I think his playing was alot more to the forefront on IYFS than TBWTAS but he's still aces in my book all the way around. Late Steve C. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mark at xxx.com Fri Jun 25 21:58:05 1999 From: mark at xxx.com (Mark Kolmar) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:58:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Sinister: change of email address In-Reply-To: <01bebe43$bf943500$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Message-ID: Hello friends, acquaintances, and well-wishers! ("Well-wishers", as Moe from The Simpsons explains, in the sense that they wish you no specific harm.) My preferred email address has changed: Mark Kolmar Please make a note of it. The old address (mkolmar at xnet.com) will eventually stop working. --Mark __ Burning Rome : SENSELESS CD on Mindfield Records MindCD03 Cathartium 14 < http://www.burningrome.com/ > < more high-quality MP3s coming soon > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paulandwilma at xxx.uk Fri Jun 25 23:19:47 1999 From: paulandwilma at xxx.uk (Paul Laird) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:19:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: THE EGG Tigermilk promo night Message-ID: <199906252222.XAA24478@linekar.hosts.netdirect-online.co.uk> Hi all, Note the new email address (oh the joys free internet access). a week ago Jeremy.Simon at jwt.com wrote: >Anyhoo, I have two very interesting and fascinating things to say. Firstly, >on 12th July, pop pickers, Trash in London's Soho are having a B&S night. >Sorry if this is old news, but I only just found out. It is to celebrate >the glorious return of our beloved Tigermilk We at THE EGG in Edinburgh are also hosting a B&S promo night on Saturday 3rd July (note, BEFORE the re-release). There will be hundreds of badges/posters to be given away and also the chance to win T-shirts or all the EPs. Grand prize to a few lucky winners will be a Tigermilk CD. Arrive early for the goodies. Oh, and of course there will be loads of tracks played throughout the night (not that we haven't played them there before anyway!). Youn Jong Noh said yesterday >Do you mean you wonder what it would sound like if Stevie plucked instead >of strummmed (sorry I don't know (how to talk) about guitars or music), >like Maurice Deebank? How does one play like Maurice Deebank or Arthur >Lee? Is it because the fingering(?) is difficult? Do they play only >higher strings? a mate of mine adored Felt so much he spent years tracking down the Maurice Deebank solo album on Cherry Red. Unfortunately he descovered it's complete and utter bollocks. Bye kids, The Lairdster. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ussher at xxx.ca Sat Jun 26 00:01:10 1999 From: ussher at xxx.ca (allen) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:01:10 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: You go deeper than your beauty; you go well above and beyond -- the call of duty, in your country and your school, but i grew up too cool Message-ID: Hiya :) ooh, I've got lots to say about some of the threads going on, so let's get started... About liking B&S less if they were horribly ugly beasts with horns, hooves, and pointed tails, and they didn't share their treats with you (or something like that): I thought about it a bit and I've come to the conclusion that their looks really are inconsequential (yes, even if they all sported zz top-like beards... yes, even the ladies). I remember not being entirely bowled over when I first saw pictures of the group ("Oh, so that's what they look like...um, yay.", "Al, that's not belle and sebastian, that's the cast of three's company. THIS is what b&s look like" "oooh, that's what they look like......um, yay"), but that's only because I had this mental image of them all as being gods among men (and women (and children (and, oh, let's not forget the elderly))). I think, in a way, I was disappointed when I did see what they looked like because all the mystique surrounding them was lost. It's like seeing someone you really fancy several times but never really talking to him/her. You sort of generate this amazing personality in your head and then you finally talk to said party and find out he/she is a total twat (not that B&S aren't lovely, of course) and that you really want to kick his/her arse because he/she is really she/he and.. ah nevermind... about helter skelter being the first "true" hard rock song: pfft, I wouldn't know, but I did listen to the White Album again for the first time after a long time and I was amazed at how good it was! and to throw in some Who content for all you Who fans out there, I remember reading that Paul wrote Helter Skelter after reading that the Who had recorded the loudest, raunchiest rock song ever. :P And of course, the song is about a slide, and nothing more, so don't go out on a killing spree because of it! finally, a couple of melodies "lifted" by b&s: Dog On Wheels: the trumpet part (when it plays a bit o' harmony) sounds like the hawaii five-o theme (it does, dammit!!! and if you disagree, I'll meet you after school by the bike racks and we can have a -- um -- discussion...yeah) A Century Of Fakers: the sus chord riff at the end of some of the verses sounds like it came straight from the byrds' version of mr. tambourine man (it does, dammit!!! if you dig up your byrds album -- whichever one it was -- and listen to 'mr. tambourine man' you shall see that the riff is missing. why, you ask? because it's been stolen!!) and finally, A Century of Elvis: the whole song sounds vaguely familiar, but the narrative done by Stu D is mixed so loud that I can barely hear the backing instrumentation. this is a tough one and i've been devoting all my spare time to figuring out which song this most closely resembles. any help would be appreciated! that's all for now, i shall leave you all in peace. all you people reading these emails at work: GET BACK TO WORK!! p.s. a quick, shameless plug: pt.2 of my eliza comic strip is up: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Chateau/9889/ Allen (ICQ: #35152981) -- "Long afloat on shipless oceans I did all my best to smile Till your singing eyes and fingers Drew me loving to your isle." -- Song to the Siren, Tim Buckley. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ussher at xxx.ca Sat Jun 26 01:13:36 1999 From: ussher at xxx.ca (allen) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:13:36 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: er.. Message-ID: Ooops! The sus chord riff was actually lifted from "I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better" by the Byrds, not "Mr. Tambourine Man." (I checked and the riff was still in MTM, but no longer in IFAWLB since it was stolen.) I'll meet y'all at the bike racks still, of course. now I shan't post for a while... :) Allen (ICQ: #35152981) -- "Long afloat on shipless oceans I did all my best to smile Till your singing eyes and fingers Drew me loving to your isle." -- Song to the Siren, Tim Buckley. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stray4f at xxx.net Sat Jun 26 01:21:25 1999 From: stray4f at xxx.net (===) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:21:25 -0400 Subject: Sinister: new Pavement video... Message-ID: <199906260023.UAA49820@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Hello everyone out there.... My new Pavement video for 'Spit on a Stranger" will debut in the US this weekend on 120 Minutes (midnight Sunday Night.) It is scheduled to be the second video shown, so look for it just after midnight if you are so inclined. Belle & Sebastian relevance? Mark Ibold wears a "Study at Stowe" t-shirt in most of his on-stage footage, and their guitar tech is wearing a Salako t-shirt in another shot while waving from a window. I shot the video during Pavement's European press tour in May, so most of the footage comes from London, Brussels, Paris, and Cologne. The Scala Cinema and the Botanique in Brussels figure heavily. For those list members actually in the UK, Domino should be releasing the video over there once "Carrot Rope" has died down. I believe that "Dirty Dream #2" may be running on M2 in the states now, but I haven't caught it yet. Has anyone seen it air in the states for sure? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From andrea.ware at xxx.com Sat Jun 26 02:36:56 1999 From: andrea.ware at xxx.com (foxinthesnow) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:36:56 -0700 Subject: Sinister: sleater hurt my head kinney Message-ID: hello, all. i really think its funny that so many people know about sleater kinney...being a minneapolis girl, they have been hurting my ears for the last several years...i dunno what the big deal is about them...i just want to ask you guys if you hear what i hear: when the lead singer girl sings, do you ever think for a minute, even a slight minute, that its really jello biafra? because i do. all on that... i just think that angry women singing about being angry is becomming extremely trite and boring. i guess i got my share of it at sixteen with babes in toyland...and pj harvey's first album 'dry'...still classics, if you ask me. but for the sake of nostalgia...what is the appeal anymore? i really want to know... but i do really appreciate the rondells. because they just rock... i hope i don't sound like a stuck up snob. its just that i have to hear sleater kinney at work all the time, and that voice...i dunno. the music ain't half bad, i just wish that voice didn't do that.... o well. happy day. andrea get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From L2raViolet at xxx.com Sat Jun 26 02:42:07 1999 From: L2raViolet at xxx.com (L2raViolet at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:42:07 EDT Subject: Sinister: i'm looking for a carlos... Message-ID: <45652fee.24a589ef@aol.com> i know 75 percent of the sinisterines wont be interested in this but i was just wondering if there is a sinister boy named *carlos* lurking around here... you see i was very proud of being Arcadia's Most Sinister Belle And Sebastian Fan...until i discovered, this afternoon in a johnny rocket's, that i may have to share the title. well...carlos, if you are reading...Hello! my name is branwyne. maybe someday we will meet but right now i have to jump on a plane to finland. have a lovely summer! (that goes for everyone reading this, even if you are not a carlos) ultravioletly, branwyne +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pulpbot at xxx.com Sat Jun 26 03:23:58 1999 From: Pulpbot at xxx.com (Pulpbot at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:23:58 EDT Subject: Sinister: Runnin' away, to get away, hee hee, hee, hee Message-ID: oooh, I never hear about anyone liking Sly! So underrated compared to your Bobby Dylans and Mike Jaggers and whonot. There's a Riot Goin' On is absolutely the best Sly album. Radically disillusioned compared to their preceding albums, which are much more upbeat. Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Again) is redone as Thank You For Talkin' To Me Africa on Riot, and it kills me listening to both as the second version is this smacked-out bitter funk that mocks the hopefulness of the original. The band's anthology includes every great song they did with the exception of If You Want Me to Stay on Fresh, so it is completely worth owning. I was stuck in traffic today sweating like a mule, and Hot Fun in the Summertime came on and I roused out of my stupor long enough to invent some hand motions to go along with the lyrics. Whoopee! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pulpbot at xxx.com Sat Jun 26 04:02:08 1999 From: Pulpbot at xxx.com (Pulpbot at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:02:08 EDT Subject: Sinister: sleater hurt my head kinney Message-ID: um, what is this about Sleater Kinney angrily singing songs of anger or something? I don't think of them as an 'angry' band; they always seemed to have an abundance of passion that borders on joyful even when the lyrics address a painful/maddening subject. I'm not a huge fan but when I saw them live last month I left feeling completely hot-wired and happy. Maybe the anger tag is the residue of their riot grrl past. Even if you don't rate 'em, their music and personalities are a lot more complex than one adjective. --Jennifer +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Sat Jun 26 06:45:48 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E Hamilton) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:45:48 -0400 Subject: Sinister: oh booooooooohooooooooooooooo Message-ID: <000601bebf97$26b7cfe0$ac1574cc@woody> argh yucky yuck! my stow shirt has been tainted! oh wretched foul disease of the washing machine. how decrepit i lay with my baby blue cloth draped upon me, gnarled vision of splotched color laid out, o vicious grid of evil! alright, that's enough of that drivel. that IS my b&s content for this one, so is it possible to get another stow shirt sent to me, david? i mean, i'm a faithful fan, but my mum messed my shirt up, so can i have another, or do i need to order it again? oh crikey. oh heavens. what am i going to do? by the way, while we're on the subject of stow shirts, anyone else think that the 'large' size is a bit too, well, small? i mean, i'm not overtly huge and muscular, but it was a tight fit after the first (and up until yesterday, successful) washing. an extra large, for me, please? my web site has been untouched for the past week. i need to get that going, don't i? does anyone have any suggestions? the response to my b&s zine idea was overwhelmingly silent. bollocks. somebody mentioned that helter skelter is the first hardrock song. no. i beg to differ. 'i can see for miles' is the first hardrock song, sung by the glorious WHO. this is the song paul modeled helter skelter off of in the first place, and it's particularly nasty in its own right. that's it, i've settled the debate, so get over it, people. i am reading 'lolita' presently and i find it earth shatteringly brilliant. there's something about pedophilia that enrages a bit of every emotion out of me. profound pedophilia no less. ok this isn't coming out quite right. perhaps this is why i have no list crush votes. hmph hmph yes, perhaps. anyone else have any book ideas for me? i was going to read 'silence of the lambs' as 'hannibal' just came out, but i am finding that 'lolita' is quite the page turner. oh well, i'm odd, but i smell grrrreat! other question--is there quite possibly another magnetic fields album that even gets close to living up to 'get lost'? i find said album to epitomize beauty, so i was just being curious. nope, no broken hearts this week. well, it's only friday night. love blake xx the nerdy shy eyed pacifist -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "Fuck!" - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From summerwasting at xxx.com Sat Jun 26 07:46:25 1999 From: summerwasting at xxx.com (Nick Eeepooh!) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:46:25 PDT Subject: Sinister: me sad/happy Message-ID: <19990626064626.28787.qmail@hotmail.com> well as i was reading todays digest i noticed the theme of depressing music and since i was listening to the new Songs:Ohia album "Axxess and Ace" i thought i'd reccomend it for rainy day musings and quiet summer nights. It's kinda palace/will oldham, kinda joel r.l. phelps etc. you guys might be interested. (and it's on secretly canadian records) goodnight. .nick. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MWaggner at xxx.com Sat Jun 26 16:06:14 1999 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:06:14 EDT Subject: Sinister: Pure Indie 'for the kids' Message-ID: <575eb329.24a64666@aol.com> "Heads up" for all you musos, trainspotters and completeists... The new Hefner record, on the Too Pure label, has Stuart Murdoch playing the organ parts on the song "girls." Too Pure is apparently a lovely label -- they sent the records out for free to people who answered a trivia question... even though it cost them 4 pounds to send it to the US. So, apologies if this has been said. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pants at xxx.com Sat Jun 26 16:25:49 1999 From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:25:49 -0700 Subject: Sinister: reel around the mountain Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990626082549.009ade70@mail.hooked.net> with all the stories of heartbreak and despair out there, i thought i'd tell one story that has a happy ending. :) i can't tell you how elated i am. it seems like it's been since i was ten that i have been this happy. my band, the Rescuers (http://www.therescuers.net) played it's first announced show (third overall) and it went very well... (the first two shows were unannounced due to fear of screwing up). i could ramble on indefinitely with details on the whole hour-long eleven-song set, but i'll just give you a splash of highlights. we played at a laundramat/bar/cafe in san francisco, ca to a small audience of maybe forty or fifty people. the stage was an elevated step that our drummer had to turn his kit sideways to play on. actually, only the drummer really fit on stage, we stood near the tables. it was supposedly to be a quiet show and couldn't disturb the neighbors, so we put our lead guitarist's jacket over the bass drum and put my jacket over our only amp to hide it. our new bassist of three practices (my brother pete) plugged into the same amp as our guitarist, to keep down the volume too... we played all our own songs (http://www.therescuers.net/html/n-songs.html - realaudio) ending with our only cover, a peter murphy-esque cover of 'do you love me now?' by the breeders, a really fun one to sing... (although we screwed it up a wee bit). anyway, people really seemed to like us. we sold all of our CDs except for three, which utterly shocked me. plus loads of folks loved our free pins (http://www.therescuers.net/print/pin.jpg) which our drummer adam designed. it's such an amazing feeling when people actually *want* to hear your music... btw, if anyone wants a pin, i'll send one to you if you send me an address. well enough, i'm feeling a little giddy/punchdrunk from last night. if i continue to gush publicly, i'll lose my reputation for being a sarcastic, reclusive, unemployed, non-sequitor of a person. ;) Señor Droolcup [ blushing from gushing ] PS: i had a WEIRD occurrence involving bailbonds, slashed tires, and a shady purchase, but that's a story for another day. - * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * - the Rescuers - next gig on 6/25 fri, 9pm - brainwash http://www.therescuers.net help at therescuers.net "3 out of 4 dentists recommend us to reduce plaque." - * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * - +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From P68d6ern at xxx.com Sat Jun 26 18:40:19 1999 From: P68d6ern at xxx.com (P68d6ern at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:40:19 EDT Subject: Sinister: sleater hurt my head kinney Message-ID: <435dfbe9.24a66a83@aol.com> In a message dated 6/26/99 12:39:39 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, andrea.ware at gurlmail.com writes: << i just think that angry women singing about being angry is becomming extremely trite and boring. >> Yes, Jello Biafra does come to mind. As a man it may not be correct for me to say this but I have to agree with your point. But it is the same with any type of music, a certain style can become too much to deal with; and the band(s) that become the most well known are usual those that are the worst of the bunch. Anyway I'll take Babes in Toyland over SK any day. Take care all Joseph +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Sat Jun 26 19:01:11 1999 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:01:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: REM Manchester tickets wanted Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990626190111.007b31c0@mail.u-net.com> Hello, apologies to waste list-time with this, has anyone got or does anyone know someone who's got 2 tickets for the Manchester REM show they don't want or can't use or something like that? If so can you please mail me, cheers. JJ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Sat Jun 26 19:54:03 1999 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:54:03 -0400 Subject: Sinister: A Long, Thought-out Post on Belle & Sebastian Message-ID: <377521CB.11F09111@ohiou.edu> Hello, You know, I thought a lot about this subject while I was making the 10-hour jaunt from Charleston to New York, and I will try to share some of the thoughts that bounced around in my head as I experienced the charm of the highway strip. Regarding Maurice Deebank, Arthur Lee and Steve Cropper, Ben did an excellent job of covering most of what I would have had to say. Much better than I could in fact, since I don't play guitar. I never meant to suggest Stevie should try to emulate Arthur Lee, as I think he did a good job of it in "Expectations." It's just that Belle & Sebastian are a wonderful band that is very capable of flirting with different kinds of songs. You have the bossanova of "Ease Your Feet," the Stereolab-iness of "Sleep the Clock Around" (on the session version anyhow), the McCarthy-ism (hehe) of "Le Pastie de la Bourgeoisie," the Love-liness of "Dog on Wheels" and "Expectations," and numerous others. But for a large part, it seems to me that Stevie's guitar-playing is either played down in such songs (like in "Electronic Renaissance,") or he just plays like he always does. It's not that I think the rest of the members of the band are opposed to this or anything. In Stuart's solo recordings pre-B&S, they seemed to sound pretty much like Stevie's style. But, listening to "String Bean Jean," I just haven't heard a B&S song with a guitar part I liked this much, other than maybe "A Century of Fakers." I might be worried that with a different guitar player they might sound very bad, but I am so sure that I wouldn't mind because Stevie doesn't play at all on DOW and I love it immensely. The playing on it even vaguely reminds me of their current way of it, but only just that little bit janglier at times. And I suppose that's what it all breaks down to. Though I love soul and the guitar playing that comes along with it, I'll always be a sucker for jangly guitars. I still love B&S, but sometimes I think about these sorts of things. Perhaps it's a little too critical, I admit. Also, in case some of you missed it, Stevie once was quoted in a newspaper as saying Steve Cropper was his all-time favorite guitarist. I saved the post somewhere... Anyway, I'm not about to stop listening to B&S, but if they were to break up, I'd be that much less disappointed, knowing that the Stuarts' songs are gorgeous with various other musicians, and indeed Stuart M sounds fine all on his lonesome, so we don't have Moz-like inconsistency laying ahead if such a change ever occurs. /"\_/"\_/"\ Brian Pennington, a.k.a. Mick McMick; Sandcastle Records \ / bp224996 at ohiou.edu ICQ#5056758 | | Sandcastle Recs Homepage: http://www.frognet.net/~mick/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Sat Jun 26 20:17:12 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:17:12 -0700 Subject: Sinister: sleater hurt my head kinney Message-ID: Thank you so much to Jennifer Pulpbot for exactly encapsulating what I feel about Sleater-Kinney. PJ Harvey, who I think is exceptional, is an Angry Woman (also a Sad Woman and an Angry Man and a Hurt Man and a Psychotic Woman, but I'll get on to my point..). Sleater-Kinney, while not PJ, are not Alanis Morrissette, thank you. Sleater-Kinney grew out of the ashes of the riot grrrrl movement, which, as opposed to the icky macho Seattle movement, was strictly P!O!P! Fanzines, bellybuttons, magic markers and cheap shows for the kids equals P!O!P! But Sleater-Kinney are a pop band with no agenda but to make great music, which they do. It's catchy, fun, riotous without being strident or political, lots of joyful noise. Corin's voice has, yes, been described as being like Jello Biafra. Also like Siouxie Sioux. Also like 'Belinda Carlisle crossed with Poly Styrene'. All these people's voices annoyed people, yet I'll bet almost every one of you think at least one of them is great. I think they're all super 'cept Biafra. Okay no more posts for a while. There are people on this list who will worry themselves and me if I post too much. Is there REALLY such a thing, or do some people just not like hearing from me? There are people who post much more frequently than myself, though not in such a short time frame perhaps......? All this anxiety caused by precisely one private e-mail I received from a Sinisterine asking me nicely (and I'm not being facetious, it was REALLY nice, not aggressive or rude) not to post so much. But I thought that was unwarranted, I don't post every day so it's okay to do it several times over a weekend, is it not? -Two or Three Things I Know About Chris -----Original Message----- From: Pulpbot at xxx.com To: sinister at Majordomo.net Sent: 6/25/99 8:02 PM Subject: Re: Sinister: sleater hurt my head kinney um, what is this about Sleater Kinney angrily singing songs of anger or something? I don't think of them as an 'angry' band; they always seemed to have an abundance of passion that borders on joyful even when the lyrics address a painful/maddening subject. I'm not a huge fan but when I saw them live last month I left feeling completely hot-wired and happy. Maybe the anger tag is the residue of their riot grrl past. Even if you don't rate 'em, their music and personalities are a lot more complex than one adjective. --Jennifer +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Sat Jun 26 22:02:14 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:02:14 -0700 Subject: Sinister: summer fun in a beat up datsun Message-ID: <004f01bec017$2ba0eca0$2d11020a@rebelstrange> HOLAAAA just for the rekkid, i didn't know what most of B/s looked like till i saw them in DC in person. i didn't even know which stuart was which, or who they were. i knew isobel cos her picture was in the puncture article and i thought she was a stone cold girly fox. and YEAH Archel, you are a star, you brighten my first sinister-day for a long time since i've been stewing in my own juices and ignoring my email...........and the outraageousness of the anti-isobel stance cannot be tolerated much longer. the GRRRLS of BELLE Rule Fo-Evah, t hey are fantabulicious and splendiferociously fabtastical, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a big ole stick in the mud. Oooh!! thems fightin words!! but yes. Stuey M is a luvverly lad, as is the stylin' Mick, babetastic city!!! in that platonic kinda way. i wanna put them on my shelf like precious moments dolls and just look at em all day long, they're so kewl. In any case, i would have been foaming at the mouth about the isobel bashing, but i was too busy being away and dreaming dirty dreams about my date with art girl, more later. xavierr..........the magic of felt guitarist is unbelievable, it puts me in a trance, i agree most vociferously with your praise, and would like ot hear about your acoustic guitar, when i finally get up off my ass and re-begin writing my sinister and email friends at home and abroad. Youn said?> Why doesn't Lesley Jo leap to Isobel's defense? Has her art student > become serious? Do you think that these sorts of crushes (the Isobel one) > go away when someone real turns up? well there now, i'm shocked. you all were talking behind my back when i was gone. this is a truly frightening situation. sorry to be consistent yet again, but had i been reading the list i would have jumped on in without mercy, as it was i was away, yes, doing things with art student girl, and is it serious, i dont' know on her part, but is on mine. in any case---isobel crush will never go away, isobel is the most fabulous, and i adore her forever, and i will listen to the gentle waves and dream sweet sweet dreams about pretty girls. >I think that Isobel is beautiful and that >mean, nasty prom girl who slagged her hair is simply jealous. Her golden >locks are smiles and sunbeams. Thank you, Chris, for defending the Right Way. your kindness shall be rewarded richly in the next life. Andrea: i wish i lived somewhere that sleater kinney got played constantly. they get my blood boiling. they are also super cuties. i have grown to like corin's voice (which i once read described as "ululating") a friend of mine actually pointed out the comparison between it and Belinda Carlisle, if you listen close you can catch a glimpse. but i have to SAY i think it's awfully harsh to just dismiss any "loud" female singers as being angry women singing about being angry, or whatever that quote was. i don't find S/K to be anywhere near as one-dimensional as that seems to be, they sing about lots of different things, and they have fabulously tight melodic music with so much energy wound up in it, and harmony, yes harmony. And if you would say PJ harvey is in that shallow category, you would receive a prompt SPANKING! from yours truly, cuz there is no way PJ is some vague ranting bitch, just cos she makes a bit of noise, don't mean there isn't substance in there. it jus tseems incredibly sexist to say such a thing. Male singers don't get categorized in the same way. just cos a girl is loud and outspoken, doesn't mean they are just bitchy and trying to cop an attitude for the hell of it.. a few of them are (ahem, Alanis) but it's just terrible to put any girl in that slot for no apparent reason. and i honestly don't mean to be mean about it, it jsut concerns me deeply, and i have strong opinions on that subject, so please dont' take it personally. i like to argue about those things. Gull Powa!! c'mon, sisterhood is powerful. interestingly--i spent the other night in a bar wit my dyke frend sam. i had been out for oh......lets see.....since 10 AM the previous morning, i picked up art girl (amanda her name) and we trooped to st louis and hung out all day, then i stayed over cos it was raining like FUCKING HELL when i took her home, and we had a bottle of blackberry merlot and listened to yo la tengo, and i stayed in town the next day and got really weepy, so sam wanted me to go out to the bar with her. there were more ppl in there than usual, and i started out feeling pretty miserable, i was in a tizzy over artgirl and wanted to sit alone and write a poem or something, and all the sad songs they played on the jukebox (BASTARDS play ABBA or die!!) were making me cry. but then a boy i thought was gay dragged me out to the dance floor, along with this married bi-girl who was flirting outrageously with me but wasn't about to get NONE of what i got. and i acutally danced. i danced most best to Madonna's Like a Prayer, and that song by Faithless that i rather like a lot. but i dont' like disco songs. i danced pretty well. i felt good. then supposed gay boy started hitting on me and tried to get me to drink a 'russian Quaalude" and i refused, and then sam told me later his roommate said he was straight. the bastard ASKED me "are you a dyke" and i said yes. what the fuck did he want??? hehe. ppl kept telling me how beautiful or sexy i was and it was creeping me out big time. b ut i guess it did up my self esteem a bit, cos i'd been feeling terribly ugly the past couple days and not too good about myself. so i had fun in a gay bar. i danced. oh yeah. when me and amanda were shopping at Hullaballoo she got this hilarious ruffled tuxedo shirt and plaid bellbottoms. so we decided that she would wear this, and i would wear my orange/green flowered yeye- dress with the holes cut out of the side, and some time we'll go on a butch-femme date. which promises to lead to many opportunities for flirting and being basically naughty. it's kind of odd for me to be more girly, but she's taller than me by a couple inches, and stronger and her hair is shorter. she has broad strong hands that drive me crazy and beautiful arms. i want her to sweep me off my feet. the other reason we decided on that butch-femme thing, was her wallet is Harley=davidson, and mine has Sanrio's Badtz-Maru. which is decidedly NOT very butch. although of the sanrio characters, badtz-maru would be the designated butchest bad-ass of them all, and spotty dotty would be the pansy-ass losers who are in the cheerleading squad, and hello kitty would be the dreamiest Isobel=type babe. AAAAAACK!!! Corin tucker is SOOOO cute. it's too bad she has a boyfriend. <:( i think the fact that B/S are so talented and down-home and and charming, makes them seem more physically attractive. if they were a bunch of assholes i'd find reasons to think they were ugly. personality is like 90% of physical attractiveness for me. someone might seem cute at first, then you find out they are totaly lame, and they don't seem all that cute anymore. at least that's they way it happens for me, which is why i'm freaking out right now because artgirl turns out to be the most wonderful and fascinating person ASIDE from being sexy as hell. I just gotta go now, no other way to say it. Lost in sweet songs about the Glasgow streets, LJ http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange they were like those gauche youths who turn up to house parties only to cling to the dark corners in chaste disdain, driven by the naive, vaguely inhuman conviction that all merriment is a lie. SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From winoinc at xxx.com Sat Jun 26 22:14:49 1999 From: winoinc at xxx.com (jorge guerrero) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:14:49 PDT Subject: Sinister: sleater hurt my head kinney Message-ID: <19990626211450.12570.qmail@hotmail.com> >i just think that angry women singing about being angry is becomming >extremely trite and boring. Sleater-kinney is'nt mad at men, i know carrie and she is actually a very sweet person with a cool smile, as for that whole angry rock thing, not all they'r song are mad and fast, check out the new one and it's a whole lot slower and songs like 'Jenny' And 'One More Hour' are really down tempo. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From isolation at xxx.net Sun Jun 27 00:04:16 1999 From: isolation at xxx.net (.gibby.) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:04:16 -0400 Subject: Sinister: first hardrock song, webpages, and the boy with the feltdenim fetish Message-ID: <002d01bec028$36f05ee0$81288018@oemcomputer.ne.mediaone.net> I can see for miles, yes... thats early on-- and i once got into a discussion about early punk and the first street rock and roll songs, and he told me, that in his opinion, the first would have to be "Saturday Night" by Elton John... (I mean thats not quite as old as the others, but it's very punk-ish....) i dunno. I have a webpage that hasnt been touched in months... it was the product of the moment, an expression of the misery that was january and february. it was on "xoom", and they put up those ugly banners... then i realized that because im with mediaone, they give me 10 megs... (I found this out last week, after a year of service... gosh) so i plan on starting that up soon, when i scan these photographs from new years visit to san francisco and la, the beaches and this party where a boy kept playing felt, denim, felt, denim, felt, denim (in that order) i plan on keeping the page based around contribution of photos and writing, and setting up a form-based board where people can leave anonymous love-notes and blurry photo-scans. :) heavily b&s laden and of course including stuff on the glories and evils of love, and how nicely crushes pass the time. its very hot here in boston... my glass of water is already warm. <3gibby. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eculb at xxx.uk Sun Jun 27 00:24:52 1999 From: eculb at xxx.uk (JaMeS) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:24:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Blah Blah Blah... Message-ID: Hi, nothing really very interesting in this post, sorry everyone. but im feeling a bit down after another not very good night out, after failing to 'give it large' at the union. im just very tired after a rather non-everything kinda term. does anyone else feel like that? god at least exam hell is over. prey i get a 2:1. or else i will feel even worse. mm i heard someone across my road playing Judy and the Dream of Horses today, it was quite pleasent and made me smile. i still havent in my life met anyone who is remotely as into belle and sebastaian as i am yet, which i am a bit disappointed about. that'd be good. i want to go to some of these club places that play some b&s and likewise bands, i think it'd be really cool, maybe when i get back home, but then i'd prob'ly be too scared as none of my friends are really into that kinda scene. Yes, i will jump to isobel's defence too, ms. Lesley Jo and all you other bel-defenders, i think she is a lovely girl. Boo-sucks to anyone who thinks differently, nya-nya nya...urgh im not looking forward to going home, 16 weeks of dullness really, and only one year left before i have to join the Real World. its just too scary i dont even want to think about it. oh well, id better go before this post gets even more depressing. BTW, does anyone know of any other bands which play songs like Landslide and Kinky Love? im really into that groovy-soul thing right now which isobel seems to have taken a liking to. yours indefatigably, JaMeS :) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Hall/7789 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From FearOfPop7 at xxx.com Sun Jun 27 00:51:37 1999 From: FearOfPop7 at xxx.com (FearOfPop7 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:51:37 EDT Subject: Sinister: the kids predict the future Message-ID: <8b4029af.24a6c189@aol.com> this is my first post so i don't know if what i am about to write is already known but here it goes anyway.....between the :15 and :20 second mark of "if you're feeling sinister," does any one else here the kids in the background scream "the boy with the arab strab"? actually, i think it's two different kids and it actually sounds more like "the boy....wit de arab stwrap." i'm not sure if i'm correct in my assumption but i've listened to it many times over and it's sounds like i'm right. anyway, this is my first post, as mentioned before. i got out of the nursery about a week and a half ago but i didn't finish finals until this wednesday. school goes on deep into june in new york. i saw ben folds five in central park on thursday. while in the city, i also bought the looper cd, a b&s bootleg ("the fall of belgium", a show in the fall of '98), and pavement's "crooked rain, crooked rain" (my friend finally demanded his copy back so i had to buy my own). i'm currently reading "Eureka Street" by robert mcliam wilson but i should be done with that by tonight. i'll probably begin "down and out in paris and london" by orwell tomorrow. well, that's all for now -chris +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mctag at xxx.com Sun Jun 27 13:33:26 1999 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:33:26 GMT Subject: Sinister: The politics of dancing...the politics of mmm...feeling good Message-ID: <37760e48.5181202@post.demon.co.uk> Hello you lot, You'll never believe what I saw on telly yesterday. There I was settled down for another afternoon of strawberries, cream and the thwack of racket upon ball. They'd just shown another round of clips of Anna bloody Kournikova (Jamaica in Roma) and her omnipresent tush (with Brett Anderson hollering "She's in fashion" over the top, fergawdsakes) when the camera panned to the crowd. And there he was - face painted with a Union Jack, holding aloft his Big Breakfast "You Beauty" sign, leading the crowd with a chant of "Oggy, Oggy, Oggy"...our very own number one seed - Thim H!O!P!kins. Interesting that young Keith should mention "Waiting for a train" by Flash and the Pan last week, since this record actually mentioned Stu and Beanz a good decade before Belle and Sebastian formed. I think we've all underestimated Flash and the Pan, they obviously had special powers of foresight. Many of you will be venturing to London Towne tomorrow to see Lee Hazlewood. I can't go, sadly. He was in the paper yesterday talking about how he loved the laydeez, and swearing a lot. There really is no call for that sort of potty mouth, even if you are a legend. Anyway, as I said, I'm not going. Instead, tonight Matthew I'm going to watch Harry Hill pretending to be Morissey. I trust you're all jealous. Except Wumpkinny and JJ cos they're going too. And that's all. Love tag x www.roolz.ukf.net - the most fun you can have with your clothes on (or off, if you prefer). +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From andrea.ware at xxx.com Sun Jun 27 19:38:18 1999 From: andrea.ware at xxx.com (foxinthesnow) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:38:18 -0700 Subject: Sinister: foot in the mouth Message-ID: hey, i just wanted to apologize if i stepped on any toes there...i just don't like sleater kinney, and i wanted to point out that the reason i don't like them was because she, i can't remember the name of her, sorry, the singing girl, well, her voice hurts my ears like nothin else...and i do know that they are <> because they used to shop at the co-op i worked at. as far as angry goes, i understand that the songs aren't about anger, silly,its just in the presentation...and as far as doing a disservice to myslef, i am quite aware of anger as being not only an emotion that women have, but an emotion that *people* have...so yeah...no disservice there...so i hope i didn't step on yer toes...take care andrea get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From arete at xxx.com Sun Jun 27 18:16:36 1999 From: arete at xxx.com (Sean de Vega) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:16:36 -0600 Subject: Sinister: it's educational. Message-ID: <1205219996027161636158@earthdome.com> hello my dear morsels of sinister, it's been weeks since i've been able to post anything, so here you are. i bought the gentle waves disc, and *must* side with the vehemently pro-bel side of the house. "tree lullaby" and "emanuelle, skating on thin ice" are positively lovely, and "evensong" is just the greatest waker-upper tune ever to alight upon human ears. well, last night i went to the "university of houston honors college fall semester kick-off party and farewell to the old academic advisor", where i did behold such wonderful atrocities as keg stands and the beastie boys being cranked to a loud, shrieking and booming din. it's amazing how people approach you when you're dressed in khaki and plaid. funny, four years ago, when i wore vintage stuff, i'd have never been afforded the opportunity to be that much of a social butterfly. i met lots of people, including one guy who wants to, get this, quit school and join ... the marines (!) he's doing fine, he just "wants to fight". he is a rather big and angry bloke, and speaks in staccato puffs of hot air. nice chap, though, for all that... well, i'll sign off now. off to eat alsatian food with the maternal one! sean! _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From igh1 at xxx.uk Sun Jun 27 21:09:07 1999 From: igh1 at xxx.uk (Ian Hatcher) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:09:07 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: Sinister: people wait they sit in and watch the telephone clap clap In-Reply-To: <1205219996027161636158@earthdome.com> Message-ID: hidy hi campers, all this anti-isobel mail is horrible - she's such a little cutie - how could anyone want to buy her a pink fluffywuffy cyanide cocktail????!!! as for the gentle waves album, its one of the best this year, and i luckily purchased the 7inch weathershow ages ago from rough trade for a mere 3 english pounds. but then it got creased when i saw low at the garage. but its only an ickle crease, and hopefully i can straighten it out this summer. . . it was our uni ball on friday, but i didn't see cast, which was a shame. honest. i was soooo upset. but the dodgems were fantastic, and there was a big wheel and a carousel with emus and i saw my friend who i'd not seen for months, which was lovely. going back to the gentle waves thing, i was in the canterbury our price the other day, taking the flaming lips album back (it was brilliant before anyone kills me, but it was 16 bloody quid, which i can't really afford so i'll just wait until i go home). anyways, i was wandering around and what did i see in the chart section?? only the gentle waves album!!!! y'see, the world domination of jeepster continues apace . . . chow for now peeps, ian. ****************************** ian hatcher igh1 at ukc.ac.uk rutherford jcc ents #1 tune into the albino squirrel show every thursday 2-4pm on ukcr +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Sun Jun 27 21:59:02 1999 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:59:02 PDT Subject: Sinister: Everything I Do, I Do For You Message-ID: <19990627205903.70096.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear Sinister List, Cold fish...gosh,I suppose I stepped over the line with that one.Hit me with that ruler please! whack whack whack, I apologize Isobel lovers.You can make fun of Stuarts all you want to balance it out.I won`t mind. But let me explain, you know how some people may look beautiful to you,but then you get to know them,and they have an ugly heart,and the aura makes them look bad too? Well,let me tell you a little story.Many moons ago,I was in Scotland with my father on a buisness trip.Now,I`m a little embarassed to say this,but I went Stuart Murdoch hunting..and yes,I did find him! (with Isobel) I`m terrible hideous shy dork though,so I couldn`t bring myself to talk to him...my tongue felt heavy,my knees weak! so..I just followed him (yes,a stalker I know) through the forest,where I witnessed Struan`s Beautiful Heart...the little angel,do you know what he does? He stops to pick up injured little critters...frogs,butterflies, wounded chipmunks. He even makes minature leg plasters for the frogs. Anyways,while Stuart would tenderly pick the wounded little creatures Isobel (on a drug induced fury,I`m sure) would jump on them and throw their limp bodies into the ditch. Shivering behind the tree,I saw saw Stuart shout out `Stop it Isobel! Please...they aren`t hurting you!` and she responded by punching him in the face. Stuart then collapsed to the ground and pleaded `Please don`t! I bruise easy!` and then Isobel went `Shut it,bitch` and kicked him in the nads.I tried to help Struan but Isobel threw rocks and sticks at me,so I had to run away,fearing my life. Fluffy Sarah..I sense we will get beat up in the playground later today,prisoners of our beliefs,but dammit,the truth is out there. Also: Just because a female doesn`t like another female doesn`t mean they are jealous. Did any of you accuse Tim Hopkins of being jealous of that Gracie woman? If I`m going to be jealous of someone,it would be Natalie Portman,come on, grant me some dignity! No hard feelings eh chaps? the ruler again,alright. i do it to myself,i do. The reason Angry-Woman singers make me cringe is beacuse they perpetuate (is that the right word) their own stereotype, the whole Lilith Fair `I don`t shave my armpits therefore I am Woman` thing going on. It makes the good angry women to be lumped in with them. I prefer male voices anyways, I dunno..i just do..we all have our preferences you know.I like a nice female voice in the background though, the way Hefner do a lot of their songs. We are speaking current music here, I love the female dominated voices of Motown though. Prom is beautiful...it`s gorgeous..ahh...I swear it, you guys have your picnics,can you make a Sinister Ball or something? PLEASE? Warrander John can dress up up like James Bond. Men in tuxedos, Women in ball gowns...ohhhh..I wish I wish I could relive that night over again. Isn`t Time an awful thing. You spend months preparing for something,then in a few hours it`s all over.I guess since I never get to be a princess I savour those moments that slip through your fingers! Ahhh,the best was getting there...I was late so my mom had to floor it to the city,and the horse-and-wagon had left without me,so hitching up my skirt, overstuffed purse and camera in hand I ran down the street and took a flying leap onto the wagon,but I made it!! geeky slow dance moments? bien oui! Bryan Adams and Lady In Red aplenty (ha ha..i was wearing red too) Dressing up is too much fun. mmmmmm... heavenly sigh of remembrance Lots Of Love, Mean Nasty Prom Girl ********************************************************************** www.droolz.ukf.net You Know It`s The Right Thing To Do, They Make You Feel Alright ********************************************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From heinitz at xxx.uk Mon Jun 28 02:20:33 1999 From: heinitz at xxx.uk (angel) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 99 01:20:33 GMT Subject: Sinister: "Pink, it's like red but not quite" Message-ID: <990628012033.n0010891.heinitz@pop.clara.net> Arantxa, after her wimbledon tennis defeat*, commented: "It is amazing to my eyes how Brazilians as Gabriela or Ivo, who has become a lurker or quitted straight away, can feel close to their songs." where is Ivo? does anybody know? Ivo, are you there? and do you still love Orlando as much? i too feel that B&S' music has a grey, wintery quality to it, but perhaps that is because it is always grey and wintery when i am listening to them. i was just thinking this morning how i wouldn't like to live anywhere where there wasn't as much rain as in Yorkshire. i love rain so much, it makes me feel happy inside. the only problem with the rain is that i have to liberate a mouse today, and that means getting very wet, as i have to go far enough away from my house to ensure my cats won't bring the mouse back. Lesley Jo's wallet has Badtz-Maru on it.. so does mine, and so does my (male) best friend's. there is a little stall of cute Japanese goodies in the corn exchange in Leeds, and my friend and i fell in love with the same wallet, so we had to buy one each. Hello Kitty is a little TOO cutesy and girly and clich�d for me, but i am a wee bit cutesy and girlie (and maybe clich�d too, who am i to say?) so Badtz-Maru was perfect. he is cartoony cute, but he has an evil streak. my friend's a bit girlie too, and he revels in it. the wallets are plastic, and mine is already falling apart.. *sigh* but it's okay cos we're going back to Leeds to shop in preparation for Breeze free festival which is a week from today, and will be featuring the lovely Rosita. is this the right list for being obsessed with an ex-member of Kenickie? no? okay then i won't go on about it. oh, i have to go now, it's stopped raining. i need to find the rodent-carrying device. love abi, who could broadcast Animal Hospital live from her own house, if only she had the obligatory australian celebrity. *please excuse wilful confusing of listmember with tennis star, it is my favourite pastime. next week: Tim Hopkins or is it Tim Henman, in "hilarious" similar name fun. or maybe not. i think probably not. sorry, i'll go now. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Lana622 at xxx.com Mon Jun 28 02:00:59 1999 From: Lana622 at xxx.com (Lana622 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:00:59 EDT Subject: Sinister: Get Me Away from Here, I'm Drying Message-ID: Hello all! I'm so happy that there's a fellow legion of Bad Badtz Maru fans out there! With the wallets and everything! Some of my friends went to the website and found out that there are actually two amusement parks in Japan completely devoted to Hello Kitty and co., and they have parades and special rides and anything else you could ever want. I agree, Hello Kitty is sort of uber-girly, but Bad Badtz is, well, he's kind of special. Do you think that he could be the official Belle and Sebastian Sanrio character? I can't think of a better guy (or should I say, penguin [that's what he is, right?]) to represent B+S. Anyway, after my major "so, who is Dylan anyhow?" faux pas, I hesitate to ask another question and would like to begin with a disclaimer: Please don't kill me if someone has asked this before. My humblest apologies beforehand. Has anyone ever *seriously* misheard a B+S lyric? Yes, yes, I know that the lyrics come with the CD, and I plead ignorance and laziness, but for the longest time I thought that the line in "Get Me Away from Here, I'm Dying" was "Well, I've fucked up, Janet you know" instead of the correct "Well, we're photogenic, you know." I went around singing that for awhile, wondering who Janet was exactly. Has anyone else ever made similar errors in listening? Come on, you know you're out there...don't make me feel like I'm the only one. Before I go, I'm glad Mean Nasty Prom Girl (just kidding, Genevieve) had a good time at prom. I'm glad she got to go to prom. My 22 year-old "date" turned out to be a psychopath and compulsive liar who told me he was in the air force and lived in Egypt and all sorts of good stuff when he's probably never been outside of Pittsburgh. I had to cancel; I became quite frightened of him. Sigh....I'm quite bitter toward all things prom now. Love, Lana +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Mon Jun 28 02:38:25 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:38:25 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Did I say that? Message-ID: Genevieve wrote the hilarious story below, which I think should be promptly performed in a sketch on Saturday Night Live. It'd be the funniest thing they've had on in years and years. It would be Xtra funny if Genevieve played Isobel AND herself, a la Mike Myers. :) Did I, in a fit of Bel defensiveness, call Gen-V a mean, nasty girl? I'm afraid I did. It was a joke about the jealousy, though. What I should have said is that I felt her COMMENTS were mean and nasty, and I still can't imagine anybody not thinking Isobel is pretty. As if Isobel even cares or needs us to come o her defense, but we do it 'cos we love her. I'm sure Genevieve is a lovely girl. I find nothing wrong with going to the prom; it may have sounded otherwise, but I couldn't recall the name of the person who wrote that Bel had bad hair, I only remembered she had a story about going to her prom. Regardless of our difference in opinion about the bewitching Isobel C., Genevieve has the ability to make me laugh out loud (read the story below and just TRY not laughing, no matter how much you love 'Bel!) and I'm sure she's a kick to have around, not mean or nasty at all. In fact, it makes the story even FUNNIER because everybody (myself included) leapt to Bel's defense so seriously, and here comes Genevieve back, worried expression on her face. She's on a mission; to save her reputation from being that of a mean, nasty prom girl, she must whisper in our ears the deep, dark secret of WHY she has an aversion to I. Campbell. It's shocking! Titillating! Horrifying! !!!! I expect to see Genevieve writing Simpsons episodes within a fortnight. Of course Isobel would never behave as she does in the story, but that just adds the delightful sacrilege... Viva irreverence, read on.... -Two or Three Things I Know About Chris ************************************************************* >>>>>>Cold fish...gosh,I suppose I stepped over the line with that one.Hit me with that ruler please! whack whack whack, I apologize Isobel lovers.You can make fun of Stuarts all you want to balance it out.I won`t mind. But let me explain, you know how some people may look beautiful to you,but then you get to know them,and they have an ugly heart,and the aura makes them look bad too? Well,let me tell you a little story.Many moons ago,I was in Scotland with my father on a buisness trip.Now,I`m a little embarassed to say this,but I went Stuart Murdoch hunting..and yes,I did find him! (with Isobel) I`m terrible hideous shy dork though,so I couldn`t bring myself to talk to him...my tongue felt heavy,my knees weak! so..I just followed him (yes,a stalker I know) through the forest,where I witnessed Struan`s Beautiful Heart...the little angel,do you know what he does? He stops to pick up injured little critters...frogs,butterflies, wounded chipmunks. He even makes minature leg plasters for the frogs. Anyways,while Stuart would tenderly pick the wounded little creatures Isobel (on a drug induced fury,I`m sure) would jump on them and throw their limp bodies into the ditch. Shivering behind the tree,I saw saw Stuart shout out `Stop it Isobel! Please...they aren`t hurting you!` and she responded by punching him in the face. Stuart then collapsed to the ground and pleaded `Please don`t! I bruise easy!` and then Isobel went `Shut it,bitch` and kicked him in the nads.I tried to help Struan but Isobel threw rocks and sticks at me,so I had to run away,fearing my life.<<<<<<<<< +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SPRFNK at xxx.com Mon Jun 28 03:26:55 1999 From: SPRFNK at xxx.com (SPRFNK at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:26:55 EDT Subject: Sinister: a question for scottish and english people :) Message-ID: <481a3c51.24a8376f@aol.com> ok...i am coming to england/scotland in august---i wonder if anyone can tell me good places to go (record stores, bars, etc.) ---email me if someone would like to inform me :) --ok thanks kristin :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Mon Jun 28 07:01:59 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:01:59 -0700 Subject: Sinister: girls with guitars and hairy arms........sexy! Message-ID: <000d01bec12b$bd0aaae0$3311020a@rebelstrange> Genevevie: >The reason Angry-Woman singers make me cringe is beacuse they perpetuate (is that the right word) their own stereotype, the whole Lilith Fair `I don`t shave my armpits therefore I am Woman` thing going on. It makes the good angry women to be lumped in with them. I prefer male voices anyways, I dunno..i just do..we all have our preferences you know.I like a nice female now you bring up preference, i'll admit i *generally* prefer female voices, i think they sound prettier most of the time, i tend to be more picky about the sound of a male voice for some reason, which doesn't mean i dont' like any of them. just that if you took my musick collection and percented it, there would probably be more women voices in there. >that the right word) their own stereotype, the whole Lilith Fair `I don`t >shave my armpits therefore I am Woman` thing going on. It makes the good >angry women to be lumped in with them there is so much wrong with this statement i don't know where to start. perpetuating your own stereotype is an entirely different thing than being generalized against their will. Lilith Fair is decidedly *not* the epitomy of Womanhood, it's a stereotype in itself, what with the Jewels and what not, i think that's a kind of poor comparison to "angry" women in music. If i were truly angry and wanted to cause a fuss, i would definitely steer clear of the whiny mentality of lilith fair, "we're girly and some of us dont' shave our legs, but most of us are backed up by all-male bands anyway but let's all dance and sing about feminine hygiene". that's a joke. AND let me vent a little bit. it really irks me when people have the impression that the only thing qualifying you as a "woman" or "feminist" is not to shave your armpits. or that if you like to wear dresses or something, you can't be a "real" woman. the whole point of the feminist movement was so that women could CHOOSE the way they want to be, and men too, so anyone who wants to can wear a dress, or choose not to shave their legs or whatever. i just don't understand why people can't get over it already know what i mean? i'm coming from the standpoint of recognizing women have been locked into stereotypes for centuries (and thus men as well have been prisoners of gender roles) but i don't go around trying to tell anyone how to dress or act. maybe sometimes i am not absolutely prompt about shaving my legs, but i also like wearing dresses, and lacy lingerie, and metallic green lipstick and carrying hello kitty bags. does that make me a sell-out?? i dont' think so. if any feminist type woman told me so, i'd tell them to fuck off, cos it's my choice. things like that are so shallow and inconsequential. Just cos a few women are out there not shaving their armpits doesn't mean they are forcing you to do so. but i think it's nice we have the freedom to act the way we want these days. I jsut don't understand why anyone would get all up in arms about "angry women" anyway. if you dont' like the music, just say so. no need to be trivializing about a massive group of (totally unrelated, btw) musical performers in an imaginary category. And yes. sorry for going out on a limb, and genevieve you know i love you :o) I just tend ot have really strong opinions, which makes me a loud angry WOMAN!!!! woo-hoo. the very fact that we would think to say Angry Women, just tells us we have a little ways to go before the social playing field is totally wiped clean. isn't it ironic? dont'cha think? Another puzzling conundrum: bel-bashing!! wherefore, and why?? who could be more innocuous, sweet and harmony-inducing?? not exactly the type to cause raging riots of bloody hatred. i just dinna underrrstaahhndit. those must be the same type of ppl who kick over little kids sand castles on teh beach, jsut to be nasty!!! cos their days of innocence are gone. *sigh* i never went to prom. i didnt have a date. but i would totally go to prom with artgirl if it were possible. after all, i have just now learnt the art of slowdancing and moving cheek to cheek with your beloved in quivery disco-ball fever, your hands slick with sweat and tentatively moving closer closer.......it would be easy to add the ruffle of organdy and taffeta to that image, and mayb ea bunch of frat boys drunk on spiked punch, drooling over the hormone-inducing spectacle of me and my beloved. but i'm getting away from myself now. Prom would only be nice if you had someone special to go with. as a ritual, a legislated passage in which you spend much much money on a bad dress and then go get totally bored to death while preppies and jocks feel each other up to a Boyz2 Men song, i would say it's highly over rated, and that's why i chose not to go, i had not found a beloved yet. and i dont' regret not going. it would have meant nothing to me. maybe it would have seemed more exciting if there was a girl/girl prom, but there wasn't. which is why i'm glad i'm older now, and i can dance with girls if i choose to. THAT's what women's lib was all about, my friends, my glorious friends. i pity the fool what don't understand THAT. i think i remember a time when amanda artgirl hadn't shaved under her arms. at least i'd like to think so. i find that sexy for some reason. i guess i'm just a nature kind of girl. *ummm...shiver* like isobel's sweat stains. tres sexy, no? okay, just me. sorry, i'm grossing everybody out now. *goes back to her dank little cave* (ah blimey, i just realized how freudian that was....) hello kitty is very girly, but i like her a lot. i just dont' like her teddy bear. i REFUSE to buy a hello kitty item that has the teddy bear on it. the rabbit is fine, the birds are great, but no fucking teddy bears!!! okay!!!! Badtz maru is just the best. the colors......the sanrio design ethic fascinates me. i just love it. i dont' like some of the keroppi design, but badtz-maru is ALWAYS looking fab. i also like the angel hello kitty!!! oui oui!!! there should be sanrio versions of b/s. oh a little hello isobel!!!! and Beanz-Maru!!!! Kerokerostuartmurdoch!!!!!! Allen, your Liza is looking dreamy as usual......*swoon* i have to go take my medication now. sorry for posting so much this weekend, i'll refrain for a while. let's have a groovy time, LJ http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange they were like those gauche youths who turn up to house parties only to cling to the dark corners in chaste disdain, driven by the naive, vaguely inhuman conviction that all merriment is a lie. SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Mon Jun 28 11:32:14 1999 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:32:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: honey-nut loops In-Reply-To: <000d01bec12b$bd0aaae0$3311020a@rebelstrange> References: <000d01bec12b$bd0aaae0$3311020a@rebelstrange> Message-ID: Hello there, I thought Lesley-Jos feminist stance was very nice. However she then proceeded to sell the virtues of Isobel Campbell which does tend to put the kibosh on a happy ending... In my own opinion. If you lot disagree then you its your own choice. Thats LIBERATION boys and girls! I think all this reaction just goes to show how un-FREE we are don't you think? Having a go at me for my own personal opinions? Bloody fascists. I never have a go at anyone for their opinions. So anyway last night when I slapped my friend Ross for liking a few songs off the first Gomez album shouting "Do you have no fucking principles you dumbarse!"....and then I got thrown out of the public library aaaaaah.... Arf. >Another puzzling conundrum: bel-bashing!! wherefore, and why?? Me, here now. You want a fight? It's not really worth it is it? I would have to put in effort concerning one of the most mediocre feminine cutie stereotypes in the world, when I could easily be cooking some spicy chips, or...reading a book...or concocting a new theory about P!O!P to show The Duke of PiezoElectric Haringay Units at the next P!O!P! coffee morning after the early service by Rev. Jas Mink... IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK TO ALLOW ME TO HAVE HATRED! ITS POP MUSIC AND ITS PLASTIC! The boy looked at Johnny and said, "what time are you on then Johnny?" Johnny looked at the boy and mumbled "about ten or eleven, I guess". >who could >be more innocuous, sweet and harmony-inducing?? YEAH cos this is what we want in Pop music isn't it, more la la la sweet harmony yeah innocent yah-de-yah. This also comes from the person who was listening to Freedesign this morning. Sample lyric "la la la la la la la la la la la la la la love you". But thats different. Someone else explain exactly how. >not exactly the type to >cause raging riots of bloody hatred. Well she should be. Perhaps she's deliberatly trying to provoke people into reacting against the dumb blonde ooh look a wickle wabbit i with i wath still three s/type? >those must be the same type of ppl who kick over little kids sand castles on >teh beach, jsut to be nasty!!! Yes. Those kids deserve it. Those sand castles WON'T last forever, and I'm the person to show them the cold hard truth. What? I'm a big soppy woos and you all know it. I love forget-me-nots. But not as much as sugar-pops! Flipping heck, don't react to any of this post please...even I'm bored by it now. byebye, Sarah xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TNewth at xxx.com Mon Jun 28 12:16:33 1999 From: TNewth at xxx.com (Newth, Tom) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:16:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: *dank little cave* Message-ID: <0743C08C3772D211B8B50008C7A4F3B60188D151@PON-03> Without wishing to belittle a serious discussion, I personally find hairy pits very sexy and it says in the Joy of Sex that you should not shave any body hair for the amazing natural-odour-retainng abilities it possesses which help even the measliest specimen of humanity capture the person of their desires. Provided they smell nice. And the whole farrago about Julia Roberts' not shaving her pits before the Notting Hill premiere was pretty disgusting and made me stop watching the Big Breakfast. Not that I go for her, but nuff respect, I say. Does anyone know if Isobel shaves? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LIONELHUTZ at xxx.net Mon Jun 28 12:48:17 1999 From: LIONELHUTZ at xxx.net (jeff) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: boston swaray(sp?) Message-ID: <27085-37776101-29182@postoffice-261.iap.bryant.webtv.net> anyway, hello ya'll, havent posted or read in some time, but who wants to get together for the looper gig in boston?cambridge whatever, we could go drinking, or drink, or get a beer or a cocktail, and have a nice talk and a drink. so send your suggestions, and its a date. the new flaming lips album is really good cuz i like it, and sleater-kinney arent a mad band! their a dance band!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Bellequasi at xxx.com Mon Jun 28 14:53:57 1999 From: Bellequasi at xxx.com (Bellequasi at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:53:57 EDT Subject: Sinister: philly looper show Message-ID: <235d5562.24a8d875@aol.com> i was wondering if anyone on the list is planning on going to the july 21st philly show. i know i am. i'm going w/ people i don't know. i hope there are not any awkward silences. kristie:) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ooon at xxx.th Mon Jun 28 16:55:13 1999 From: ooon at xxx.th (oon) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:55:13 +0700 Subject: Sinister: "Suffering For Their Arse" Message-ID: <37779AE0.9755AE68@samart.co.th> the above rude sentence isn't mine. just quoting from NME, which they said... > Belle & Sebastian feature in MTV Alternative Nation special > broadcast on MTV UK & Ireland at midnight, Tuesday June 29. > as well as b&s singles, tracks by gentle waves and looper, there > will be showing of a six minute mini-documentary filmed by the > band last year called "up our own arses". > i can't believe no one mentions it. so it's probably been mentioned already. otherwise, shame on you MTV UK & Ireland fans! do you know slogan of MTV ASIA? "MTV i like" i so don't bloody get it. it must be really hard to come up with anything this bad. then again, it must be really hard to come up with anything as bad as MTV BLOODY ASIA itself. watch it and you'll become a believer. in The X Files, that is. anyway, on to my secretarial duty. Mr Adrian Evans left me this message to be carried forward. it's a story about the underworld of the beer god. or maybe he just went and visited Mr Hopkins. i can't tell. > True to form I found myself on a pilgrimage to Tesco's to > worship the Beer Goddess, Stella. With offerings of Monster Munch and > Space Raiders, I adopted the horizontal semi conscious state of prayer > known only to the chosen ones as Shafted and lay adjacent to the > mythical box of light which relayed messages from the holy land of > Hollywood. > > So then, I could be back on Sinister within a month (providing > Miss Honey will accommodate me (not in front of the children)) to defend > myself from Watsons abusings, Fatslugs menacings and Sister Disco's > cottaging. And if I can stable the pit pony then I'll buy her a > strap-on and send her after that nice boy next door Nick Dastoor. > Mr Miller, i have just heard there's a song called "Peter In Space". hmm no comment. love, oon xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Mon Jun 28 17:27:40 1999 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (marie elia) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: out and about Message-ID: <19990628162740.5301.rocketmail@web118.yahoomail.com> helloooo, sinisterites! first off, big P!R!O!P!S! to lesleyjo for her smart and well-articluated response and defense of Freedom. women can damn well parade around in tight dresses and heels (so can men for that matter) if they want and still be "liberated." as lesleyjo put it (better than i can), it's about the choice.... soo... on that note, i attended NYC Pride yesterday! -- the gay pride parade and other assorted sundry activities on the 30th anniversary of stonewall. there we were, in the 90-degree heat, on christopher street at the site of the old stonewall inn where, 30 years ago, bunches of dykes and queens and in-betweens decided that enough is enough and caused a lovely riot. the parade was awesome, and was like a veritable show-and-tell of the tons of different kinds of people that make up the gay community. oh, and tinky-winky made his way in there about 3 times! so... 5 hours, and i was sunburned and my throat ached from cheering the marchers on. a lovely lovely day. anyway, whether or not that was interesting to 75% of the list (tongue in cheek) i don't know. but the sheer variety of adults, students, kids, and little purse-carrying purple dolls in the parade and the crowd of on-lookers was amazing... and, i don't know, it was neat. um, will any of you all who are going to the july 23 looper show in nyc be posting on the meet-up board on the jeepster site? or something? i would love to rendez-vouz (i can't spell!) before the show... and kimmy, our favourite pittsburgh sinisterite, is driving all the way from western PA just to see the show... la la la la la . . . . take care. love, marie === *********************************************** * "if you can hold yr breath * * you can touch the sand with yr hand" * * -karate * *********************************************** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Mon Jun 28 18:08:59 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:08:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Picnic time is here again Message-ID: <3777AC2B.A56D4A9E@student.paisley.ac.uk> Yes, it's ANOTHER Glasgow meet-up :) Sunday, somewhere, at some time, as long as I end up at Hefner in the evening (assuming my tickets have been bought). I'm not very good at organising these things, really I'm not. Can someone else fill in the time and venue for me please? There are at least six people I know of who will be coming out to play on Sunday and we want more. Lots more. There were LOADS of you at the Gentle Waves one, and I haven't seen hardly any of you since... Transatlantic presence for that genuine 4th July feel from Youn, the opportunity to play football with a genuine footballing Sinister superstar (but bring your shinguards, just ask Mark C), erm, the opportunity to see if B&S really do stalk Sheeny Sarah, the opportunity to see me drunk. It'll be just like Bowlie without the chalets and the bands and the beach and 2600 other people and actually that's a crap analogy, but it'll be a laugh. Probably. It may be a picnic in Kelvingrove Park again, and can I advise girls and cross dressers not to wear your skirts too short, as you look foolish when climbing fences/leaping onto bandstands. All this talk of proms. It was my graduation ball on Saturday night, I swanned around looking most unlike my usual scruffy, be-duffeled self in a little black cocktail dress, high heeled shoes and lots of make-up. I danced to the Macarena, drank a gallon of red wine and had lots of fun. At least I think I had lots of fun, I can't actually remember. I had a B&S badge on my handbag, and I did ask the DJ to play B&S. He played Whigfield instead, which was, dare I say it, a lot more fun under the circumstances. No exciting bands played at our ball, it was an extremely low-key affair. I would have loved dodgems and carousels and stuff, it'd have been just like the end of Grease... Can I just apologise to those who haven't got their Bowlie tapes yet (and Rob too, your cheque is, as they say, in the post. Except it actually is). I beg forgiveness of you all, it's just that I have been working and my evenings have been running away with me, and so many of you wanted tapes. NONE of you have been forgotten, it's just that I have had a hundred and one things to do, flat-hunting, working, blah, blah, you don't care, anyhow tapes to be despatched shortly. Sorry, really really sorry. And sorry to everyone else for the complete lack of interest value in this post. Go and read Lesley Jo's last post again to make up for it. That was much better than this :) Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Mon Jun 28 18:14:18 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (katrina house) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:14:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: jeepster news - b&s content 28/06/99 Message-ID: <3777AD6A.56A72187@jeepster.co.uk> hello to you all :) here is the news ... belle & sebastian ----------------- *the b&s documentary as previously mentioned on this list will now get a terrestrial broadcast, but sadly only in scotland :( it will be broadcast this friday 09/07 on bbc scotland, check local guides for times ... *we've organised some club promotions across the u.k. to celebrate the re-release of 'tigermilk'. we've tried as much as possible to choose cool and fun nights out which can be little belle and sebastian events rather than just give promos to massive clubs. as such you'll find that a few of these are quite small, but you should have a good night out. each club will have lots of badges & posters to give away, and they also have a few 'tigermilk' cd's and sets of the ep's on cd, whether they just give them away or have little competitions to win them depend on the club in question. but simply put, there's lots of goodies up for grabs, this all our way of saying thank you for everyone's support in the past and to try and give you all presents and a good night out in return :) friday july 2nd - birmingham - 'freakscene' @ snobs 29 paradise circus; capacity: 800; music policy: indie/alternative in main room; doors: 10pm; admission: £4.00 saturday july 3rd - edinburgh - 'the egg' @ the wee red bar edinburgh college of art, lauriston place; capacity: 200; music policy: mix of indie, 60's, northern soul, funk and weird stuff; doors: 11pm; admission: £4.00 wednesday july 7th - cardiff - 'popscene' @ club ifor bach womanby street; capacity: 500; music policy: indie & beats; doors: 9.30pm; admission: £2.50 wednesday july 7th - oxford - 'strange fruit' @ yes but 65 george street; capacity: 100; music policy: cutting edge alternative, leftfield stuff; doors: 8pm; admission: tbc thursday july 8th - brighton - 'dynamite boogaloo' @ the joint 37 west street; capacity: 200; music policy: pop-indie-disco-trash; doors: 10:30pm; admission: £4.00 friday july 9th - exeter - 'collision' @ timepiece little carlisle street; capacity: 800; music policy: indie/alternative; doors: 9pm; admission: £2.00 saturday july 10th - leeds - 'automatic' @ think tank call lane, ls1; capacity: 400; music policy: beatles through to beastie boys; doors: 10pm; admission: £6.00/£5.00 students saturday july 10th - liverpool - 'liquidation' @ le bateau 62 duke street; capacity: 575; music policy: cute underground sounds and old skool break beats, disco and northern soul; doors: 10pm; admission: £3.50 saturday july 10th - glasgow - 'divine' @ the art school glasgow school of art student union; capacity: 300; music policy: soul, northern soul, deep funk and 60's psychadelia etc.; doors: 10pm; admission: £4 (£3.50 for students, which is weird because you NEED to be a student or friend of a student to get into this club as you need to be signed in) n.b. - belle and sebastian's official tour dj and designer, andrew symington, is the dj. this is the BEST club in the u.k. and has in the past featured chris geddes guest dj'ing ... if you are ever anywhere near glasgow on a saturday, then you MUST go to divine ... it's, well, divine :) monday july 12th - london - 'trash' @ the annexe 1 dean street, w1; capacity: 300 (get there early to avoid disappointment); music policy: very eclectic, from the smiths to the stooges to suede; doors: 11pm; admission: £4.00 *unfortunately the 'up our own arses' bit will now not be appearing in tomorrow night's mtv alternative nation special, however it will feature the first broadcast of b&s's bowlie appearance with footage of 'the boy with the arab strap' instead. get those videos ready! looper ------ *leave glasgow this week to get started on their u.s. tour, if you've not got tickets yet, check out the treehouse site - http://www.treehouse.clara.net/looper/ - for dates + details. miscellaneous ------------- *just a quick plug for a new tv programme in the u.k. it's for a series called 'young gifted & broke' and they have asked us to relay the following information: "a new tv series seeks talented young artists of all disciplines who would like the opportunity to showcase their work and raise their profile on tv. singers, dancers, actors, directors, comics, musicians, visual artists, designers, craftspeople, photographers, filmmakers, video artists, performance poets, animators and any all young, gifted and broke artists considered. call zoe or josie on 0171 916 2266; e-mail: ygb at bigfoot.com; ygb, po box 91, london, nw5 3wq, u.k." so if you're based in the u.k. and interested, get in contact with them! that's about it for now. n.p. the debut album from a fabulous band from melbourne called sleepy township (on chapter music), the new v-twin single (which is out at the beginning of august on domino) and elliott smith's 'xo' album ... *sigh* until next week ... cheers, katrina @ jeepster -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Rollerg1rl at xxx.com Mon Jun 28 18:43:39 1999 From: Rollerg1rl at xxx.com (Rollerg1rl at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:43:39 EDT Subject: Sinister: re:my new web page Message-ID: <4a162f3a.24a90e4b@aol.com> I am just writing a little to all that i have a new web page. it's a little journal of my day to day life. let me know what you think. bye bye all m.r. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Rollerg1rl at xxx.com Mon Jun 28 18:45:36 1999 From: Rollerg1rl at xxx.com (Rollerg1rl at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:45:36 EDT Subject: Sinister: duh Message-ID: <11a7cba4.24a90ec0@aol.com> here is the address to the people that aren't telepathic!!! http://brutalhonesty.8m.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From P68d6ern at xxx.com Mon Jun 28 21:56:59 1999 From: P68d6ern at xxx.com (P68d6ern at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:56:59 EDT Subject: Sinister: Proof that I have too much free time Message-ID: <8b48affa.24a93b9b@aol.com> Hello All, Just this morning I was thinking about the comments people have made comparing the Smiths to Belle and Sebastian; I came to the conclusion that there is no comparison what so ever. I recently re-listened to some Smiths albums and I realized that they no-longer hold any importance for me at all (except as nostalgia), and the reason for this is the complete self-absorption of Morrissery's lyrics. As I 16 year old I was fascinated by songs such as HAND IN GLOVE, but now all I can say is, "who cares." Not to say that the song is bad (I do think that it is a good song), but the sentiment, the emphasis on the "me" did not appeal to me at all. Thus the difference with Belle and Sebastian (also the difference between 16 year old me and 30 year old me). Both the Smiths and B&S have lyrics that are "sad" but the lyrics of B&S songs seem to find comfort in this sadness; a "we all have bad times, but we will get over it" tone. And the characters in B&S songs are more sympathetic: the characters of Smiths songs, to me, seem to invite nothing but pity. Maybe this difference is due to the difference in the (look out, pretentious word alert) zeitgeist of the 80's and 90's. The 1980s was a time of every man and woman for his/herself; all was about making money and having more toys than the next person. The Smiths were seen as a reaction against this, but I feel that their self-absorption fits right in with this attitude (I know Morrissery was an advocate for animal rights, but this does not take away from the egotism of his music--I am talking about music only). B&S have a wider world view, a very 90's world view, where almost anyone is able to place themselves in the situations of B&S songs (emotional if not actual experience). Listening to a Smiths song one has the impression that every lyric is about Morrissery and his obsessions; listening to B&S one has the impression that they have a view that goes further than their nose. Another way for me to put this is to use an example of what some critic had said about the Beatles: the Beatles music and lyrics was seen as comforting, aurally wrapping their collective arms around the listener. I think that the music of B&S is similar because even though the songs may be sad, so many people (from what I have gathered from postings) listen to B&S and leave feeling better. One final point--the fans. Fans of the Smiths took on not only Morrissery's "attitude" but also his look. I remember hordes of teenagers dressing like Morrissery: the hair, the glasses, even the hearing aid. There was a cult of personality around Morrissery that does not exist with B&S, and this lack of a cult of personality around B&S is not only another difference from the Smiths, but is also a very good thing. Sorry this was so long, but I did try to condense my thoughts. I hope my point comes through. Regards, Joseph PS I noticed that my spell check says to replace "Morrissery" with "morosely"--just a concidence perhaps? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hellul at xxx.net Mon Jun 28 22:20:52 1999 From: hellul at xxx.net (Hannah Ellul) Date: 28 Jun 99 22:20:52 BST Subject: Sinister: It had to happen eventually.... Message-ID: <19990628212052.19620.qmail@aw161.netaddress.usa.net> Hello everyone. After being allowed out of the nursery I have finally plucked up the courage to make my first forays into the big bad world of the Sinister list, so be nice to me... Having very little of interest to say about myself at the mo, I just thought I'd comment on how it makes me laugh that armpit hair always provokes long and serious political debates. Personally, I prefer a universal, neatly trimmed approach to said follicles, regardless of gender. But then I am moulded by the anti-hair propaganda omnipresent in our evil repressive society, and nobody can help being a product of their times, as any Marxist fule kno. Before I go, I did actually have a reason for writing this, and perhaps even more surprisingly it actually has something to do with B&S. It's my birthday on July 12th! That means I'll be down at Trash in Soho, unless my plans go haywire (and this is quite a regular occurence). If anyone else down there sees me, come up and say hello! (I have a tatto on my arm saying 'la beaute est dans la rue' and a sickeningly beautiful Slavic best friend). It would be nice to meet some other, like-minded people for a chat... Bye! Hannah ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Mon Jun 28 23:15:14 1999 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (**Megan Lehar**) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: a new york picnic Message-ID: hi you lot i want a new york picnic so i decided to have one. it will be held on july 10th, saturday, at one pm at the cloisters. hopefully, we shall be the group of people with lots of blankets and food, and maybe i'll bring one of my belle and sebastian flats to advertise our location. bring food for yourself and for others if possible, as well as tapes, fun toy things, suntan lotion (don't want to lose our pallor) and anything else that suits your fancy, save for semi-automatic weapons. those aren't very belle and sebastian now are they? the park is at about 196th street, i shall send a more specific location within the next week or so, as we get closer to the day. email me with questions or if you want to rsvp. for anyone who's nervous about meeting the scary sinister people, don't be. we're quite docile and like people. it's no fun for just the people who know one another to be at the picnic. i hope i'm making my case here and not sending others to run off in terror. oh, and if it rains, the picnic is cancelled. i won't go through the bother of trying to keep it going on. xoxox megan ps- i bet isobel was the kind of girl who would cry if anyone else got her clothes messy. ;p mkl206 at is8.nyu.edu who are magnetic fields? http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/ updated 4/26/99 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From adrock at xxx.com Mon Jun 28 23:21:02 1999 From: adrock at xxx.com (Mike Jones) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:21:02 -0400 Subject: Sinister: there are people going...to the laundromat to wash their sheets Message-ID: <001901bec1b4$82d936a0$a9d88dcc@oemcomputer> aloha everyone! there's a video fr dirty dream #2?!?!? baaaah yes!!! im going to have to watch m2 furiously now...ive only ever seen "is it wicked not to care" on m2... a wonderfully splendid video. oh wow...i feel so happy i could slap myself...has anyone seen this video? what the hell goes on in it? does stuart have to wash his sheets at the end? (hee hee) hee hee...i wonder what song is playing during "century of elvis"...stuart d may be talking loudly, but not loud enough to conceal the fact that he's speaking right overtop of stuart m's vocals for...that song that was ripped off, hee hee. oh, and blake, thank you fr the info on the stow shirt...as i write this i sit about to order my own stow shirt...may yrs RIP, and david...give the lad a break. have him send his damaged one back and exchange it fr him. there's nothing worse than having yr mum ruin yr favorite tshirt... its happened to me before, so i know where he's at. sigh...how i miss my "i'd rather be breakdancing" tshirt...ok there was something else i wanted to say, or perhaps ask, but im drawing a terrible blank right now. sorry. i'll post the sequel later. aloha, mike j adrock at netrom.com **ape shall never kill ape** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From windisch24 at xxx.com Tue Jun 29 04:42:29 1999 From: windisch24 at xxx.com (mike windisch) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:42:29 PDT Subject: Sinister: purple prose or is it a pose? Message-ID: <19990629034230.41802.qmail@hotmail.com> hello sinister, (despite the introductory disclaimer, i put some thought and some heart into living the true stories contained herein) it's been some time since I posted. in fact its been some time since I read any list messages. There's been some changes, don't you know. First off, for some odd reason, I stopped listening to our feted group of minstrels for about ten days. the result: depression, a loss of feeling who i know myself to be, and the distinct feeling of not being beautiful anymore. It took a long drive from my new town to my home town, with ample amounts of judy and the dream of rollercoasters to bring me back around. don't let this happen to you. keep those records spinning. As we all know, that rascal stuart often includes some religious content, twisted as it may be, into those pesky lyrics that he uses to carry that divine touch of voice beyond the everyday all too familiar and into that realm of poetic rapture. I too have had some skewed religious occurrences of late that are amusing enough to share. (Musical gifts aside, the main difference between me and stu is that my voice warbles when it talks the sense that takes the heart to hear.) Round one: nothing illuminates the wrongs like guilt Night in a supermarket. Mix of art students and urban poor. Me with a power cord and some amber bulbs in the express lane. 5 percenter empowered black Moslem ahead of me. He clean headed with big ass goatee. The clerk, a greasy kid from the italian side of the spectrum. His friend, coolly lamping by the register is vaguely asian, but more definitively city. "You look familiar," says the brother. "Really?" queeries vaguely asian. "You go to church?" Moslem again. We all stand there silent. I can tangibly feel the collective conscience question when the last time was, and what interim wrong was done. In that pause is something serious. "Well, my moms goes and I think about it now again," vaguely asian answers. This next silence is wholly consumed by the shit eating grin of the righteous one as the clerk bags his purchase. Then the Moslem says: "Well, maybe its too late?" and he's gone. We all stand there silent, shocked, and thinking seriously about our everlasting ends. Emboldened by my own sense of utter damnation, I asked the grease and vaguely if they've ever heard the likes of that bullshit before. "I thought it was all about forgiveness," the grease repeats. (he had said it before to the bad ass righteous one, who simply laughed and left) He bagged and I grabbed my lightbulbs, content that I had bought some food for thought. ------------------ Round Two: An holy threat: - Excuse me sir, can you say how to spell your last name. "Sure thing," he says. "Father Anthony V-e-r-d-e-l-o-t-t-i." - Thanks "If you write anything bad about me in that newspaper, I will hunt you down and shoot you." -Really, I never expected a priest to say that to me. "It's only because I mean it." ------------------------------- Round Three: B&S hook with local shout out: True, it has been some time since I first heard state that I am in, and tacitly gave myself to sin; but it's only been in the past month and relocated to Providence. But, needless to say, never has my peculiar little life so coincided with the lyrical content of that song as the tour of this tiny town that tommy jolt provided for me just a week ago. Our agenda included new spots and harlots, indy film and late night responsible drinking. There was never the appearance of impropriety, but for the entire night i did my damnedest to entertain my crippled friend. for you see, tommy was limping. because he, injured his knee, falling from a barstool with glee. Well you all know now, here in the new sinister proper, why the likes of me posts so seldomly. because no one appreciates an indulgent fuck, with so little to say, as he himself, on each and every of his praise me days. your pal, mike windisch post scribble if any all made it to the end of this post, and enjoyed, give yourself an attaboy and drop me a line of feedback on these true to the last stories. pushing it post scribble If you'll have me i'll go to the nyc picnic and bring the b&s placemats, along with a gangload of cheer. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Tue Jun 29 12:23:07 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:23:07 PDT Subject: Sinister: So this is good bye. Message-ID: <19990629112307.34848.qmail@hotmail.com> Good grief. I'm 8th on the crushlist. I truly love you, I do. Well, on a more sadder note now. Yes, I'm not working anymore. BUT: I'll be starting my NEW job (applause!!! cheers!! somebody yawning, get him out of here, this is my party, my pride and joy!) in the second of July, so then I'll be having my own computer again. But, in the meantime, I wont be able to read my mails (or check out the crushlist, arf) that often, maybe once or twice a week. So humour me if you please, and write me a bunch of mails. Please. Plleeeaaaasseee. I beg you. I want to be happily surprised when I'm about to read my mail again. Ok? goody. Kim, luvvy. And Laura.... Grr. =) (Sorry, inside jokes/names) Ok, I'm off now. Merry xmas everone. @--->--- Jake le petit. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Tue Jun 29 12:24:13 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:24:13 PDT Subject: Sinister: So this is goodbye apologies. Message-ID: <19990629112413.12338.qmail@hotmail.com> I meant second of AUGUST, of course. when my work is staring. Sorry. @--->--- Jake le petit. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebeckas at xxx.com Tue Jun 29 13:36:52 1999 From: rebeckas at xxx.com (Rebecka popgirl) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 05:36:52 PDT Subject: Sinister: let's have a picnic in hyde park or somewhere in london Message-ID: <19990629123652.6432.qmail@hotmail.com> hey fellow sinister folks, yes becka is comping to London this summer and what would be more pleasant than to gather for a picnic..the summerpicnic of belle mania that is :) I'm taking four of my fellow swedish belle fans with me (jonas one who attneted the swedish meet up and 3 other girls.) Now I'm wondering anyone up for a daypicnic sometime around the 20th of July until the 23rd of july?? we can just have fun time mingle and sing tunes:) what do you recon folks..are there any other folks up to It I shall find out a good spot to meet and a brilliant park to explore.. Anyone have a boule game they can take with them?? so mail teh list and let me know theere's someone nice who want to have a ncie time with some friendly swedish people.. hugs Becka http://travel.to/blondie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk Tue Jun 29 13:58:00 1999 From: Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk (Sarah Wheeler) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:58:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: General Ramblings of a B+S related nature Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990629135800.006aa540@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk> Oi Ailsa said when chit chatting about the soon to come Glasgow piss-up >erm, the opportunity to see if B&S really do stalk Sheeny Sarah, Let me tell you, it's not only B+S......why only the other day, Gerry Love followed me around Partick Safeway. And he looked at my arse and tutted when I put a Curly Wurly four pack in my basket, the git. No wonder he's the only single one in TFC. Looking forward to seeing lots of you on Sunday (and not 'cos I'll be seeing double). Love Sheeny xx PS Ailsa....just got the photo back of Stu Cheekbones, Richard Beard and us in O'Neill's. I'll get it scanned and sent to the Sinister photo page as soon as I can. It's really very good. ======================= Sarah Wheeler Room 106 West Medical Building University of Glasgow GLASGOW G12 8QQ 0141-339 8855 ext.0860/0640 ======================= +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". 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Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990629093601.00990100@pop.mindspring.com> katrina mentioned: >that's about it for now. n.p. the debut album from a fabulous band from >melbourne called sleepy township (on chapter music)... oh oh oh! hurrah! i must second that emotion - sleepy township are so so so excellent and deserve much wider recognition and attention. i can't wait til our vinyl is unpacked so i can listen to this record again. *sigh* moving. ugh. oh well, we're nearly finished with settling in and our new loft is lovely and is just a few short blocks downwind from the folger's coffee roasting plant so it smells wonderful too! anyone who ever finds themselves in kansas city is more than welcome to come by for a visit - i don't suppose there are any sinisterians from the KC/lawrence area out there? i'm a bit lonely in this new place! ups is at the door. must run! xojj +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Tue Jun 29 16:41:18 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:41:18 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Proof that I have too much free time Message-ID: While I think it is unfair to both bands to compare Belle & Sebastian to the Smiths, I must reply to the message below. THIS WILL NOT STAND! Morrissey said it himself: "Don't forget the songs that made you cry/And the songs that saved your life". It's easy to dismiss Morrissey as 'narcissistic' without acknowledging that any time a performer gets on a stage without a paper bag on his/her head, in one way or another they're asking that the spotlight be put on them. This is what P!O!P! is, if you're not going to accept that all pop is a cult of personality (besides faceless mechanical techno drivel) then I don't understand why you would take part in the very cult of personality that the Sinister list is. It's a double standard that completely undermines Joseph's argument. The Smiths got their start on an indie label, were staunchly anti-Thatcher, and are held up today by most as a shining example of an '80s band who did NOT personify their time. Billy Bragg, Mr. Red Wedge himself, was on TV a month ago singing the praises of the Smiths' politically conscious songs, and wishing they were still making new ones. I think that Joseph displays an attitude that is, ironically, much more 1980s than anything you could ever pin on the Smiths. This attitude seems to say that now that the novelty is gone, now that you're no longer a 16-year-old whose very existence is being validated by The Smiths, you can just toss them aside, they're of no use any more, forget about them. In reality, The Smiths were a perfect pop band, I would personally say the best ever, with beautiful music, sadness AND humor, and all of it was so full of hope for kindness and love in the world; any cynicism or spite in the music comes directly from the disappointment of that hope. As I've grown older, I've found nothing but more layers and depth to The Smiths' music. Pigeon-holing it as narcissistic and sad is just lazy, it's jumping on a bandwagon and not thinking for yourself, because any real listen to the Smiths music reveals a range that encompasses pure misery, pure joy, and anything in between. I remember a couple years ago when Luke Haines of the Auteurs/Black Box Recorder dismissed Morrissey, saying 'I don't really care about this man any more'. Now, I LOVE Luke Haines, think he's a genius (everybody go buy the new Auteurs single "The Rubettes" right now!), but when he said that he was revealing an embarrassing anxiety of influence. I refuse to believe that the Auteurs could be what they are without The Smiths being there first, and if The Smiths weren't spinning 'round on Stuart M's turntable, we may have had Belle & Sebastian, but I bet they'd sound a hell of a lot different without that influence. We all know Belle & Sebastian still love The Smiths, even covered 'Reel Around the Fountain', and I would assume most of us on the list wouldn't be so quick to discard them as Joseph is. I fully credit Morrissey for any interest I've ever had in pop music- he was one of the few public personalities who ever seemed really passionate about it, regardless of his sometimes narrow taste. He made it okay to find comfort in your record collection, when people have let you down. This may seem like narcissism or selfishness to some, but in so many ways it really did save my life. I hope I'm not the only one who jumps to the defense of this band. Though I certainly think Joseph has a right to his opinion, I think his arguments are completely baseless, to the point of being merely antagonistic. It worked. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: P68d6ern at xxx.com To: sinister at Majordomo.net Sent: 6/28/99 1:56 PM Subject: Sinister: Proof that I have too much free time Hello All, Just this morning I was thinking about the comments people have made comparing the Smiths to Belle and Sebastian; I came to the conclusion that there is no comparison what so ever. I recently re-listened to some Smiths albums and I realized that they no-longer hold any importance for me at all (except as nostalgia), and the reason for this is the complete self-absorption of Morrissery's lyrics. As I 16 year old I was fascinated by songs such as HAND IN GLOVE, but now all I can say is, "who cares." Not to say that the song is bad (I do think that it is a good song), but the sentiment, the emphasis on the "me" did not appeal to me at all. Thus the difference with Belle and Sebastian (also the difference between 16 year old me and 30 year old me). Both the Smiths and B&S have lyrics that are "sad" but the lyrics of B&S songs seem to find comfort in this sadness; a "we all have bad times, but we will get over it" tone. And the characters in B&S songs are more sympathetic: the characters of Smiths songs, to me, seem to invite nothing but pity. Maybe this difference is due to the difference in the (look out, pretentious word alert) zeitgeist of the 80's and 90's. The 1980s was a time of every man and woman for his/herself; all was about making money and having more toys than the next person. The Smiths were seen as a reaction against this, but I feel that their self-absorption fits right in with this attitude (I know Morrissery was an advocate for animal rights, but this does not take away from the egotism of his music--I am talking about music only). B&S have a wider world view, a very 90's world view, where almost anyone is able to place themselves in the situations of B&S songs (emotional if not actual experience). Listening to a Smiths song one has the impression that every lyric is about Morrissery and his obsessions; listening to B&S one has the impression that they have a view that goes further than their nose. Another way for me to put this is to use an example of what some critic had said about the Beatles: the Beatles music and lyrics was seen as comforting, aurally wrapping their collective arms around the listener. I think that the music of B&S is similar because even though the songs may be sad, so many people (from what I have gathered from postings) listen to B&S and leave feeling better. One final point--the fans. Fans of the Smiths took on not only Morrissery's "attitude" but also his look. I remember hordes of teenagers dressing like Morrissery: the hair, the glasses, even the hearing aid. There was a cult of personality around Morrissery that does not exist with B&S, and this lack of a cult of personality around B&S is not only another difference from the Smiths, but is also a very good thing. Sorry this was so long, but I did try to condense my thoughts. I hope my point comes through. Regards, Joseph PS I noticed that my spell check says to replace "Morrissery" with "morosely"--just a concidence perhaps? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hopkinstim at xxx.com Tue Jun 29 16:45:01 1999 From: hopkinstim at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Hopkins?=) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: read 'em and sleep (long and NBSC) Message-ID: <19990629154501.20955.rocketmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Genevieve wrote: >cold fish ...mmm, yes, to be recommended... although cold seafood in general is something of a favourite. Raw can be good... had some very, very nice raw octopus the other week. Ate them whole. Mmmm....ink. Do oysters count as fish? Shellfish? Dunno, but of course you not only eat them cold, you not only eat them raw, you more or less eat them alive. Yum. And then, apparently, they go and make you all frisky, although I was eating them with my brother and felt no such frissons. Honestly. See, Genny? A cold fish is in fact a well-hard spiky pop phenomenon for nasty kids with refined tastes. Better think of a new insult. Sarah admitted: >So anyway last night when I slapped my friend Ross >for liking a few >songs off the first Gomez album You slapped your friend for liking Gomez? When everyone knows that the summary sentence handed down by the High Court of P!O!P! for Gomez-appreciation is having all the skin on your feet peeled off and then being made to stand in a washing-up bowl full of vinegar while being laughed at by schoolchildren and having broken Pearl Jam CDs shoved up your nose? You're on a charge, missy. >IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK TO ALLOW ME TO HAVE HATRED! No. >ITS POP MUSIC AND ITS PLASTIC! Charge revoked. What better place to have hatred? In fact, I can't imagine how it is possible to love pop without hating because pop, for me, is so bound up with self identification and picking more or less arbitrary sides... >>who could >>be more innocuous, sweet and harmony-inducing?? >YEAH cos this is what we want in Pop music isn't it, >more la la la sweet >harmony yeah innocent yah-de-yah. Innocuousness is the *worst possible* pop-crime. Worse even than kitsch, which is the least pop impulse in the world. Apart from innocuousness, of course. And guitar solos. Oooh. I've just made myself feel sick. I'd be very happy to see a full-blown debate about feminism on the list, primarily for the reason that it would have to beat the hell out of talking about frigging cartoons. Actually, I think we should have a discussion about cartons. Has anyone noticed how the standard issue tetrapaks which replaced old fashioned milk bottles in the UK during the course of the 80s are now only ever available in corner shops, and even then rarely, and have been superceded by a dizzying array of arrangements for getting milk from your carton...press-in spouts, plastic screw-tops ... the works, pal. However, many cartons of orange juice still have that dreadful arrangement where you have to cut / tear / bite / saw the corner of the carton off to get at the juice within. Some thoughtful packagers added a diagonal serrated line but it never bloody works and you always end up with a nightmarish tri-spout arrangment where any attempt to direct the orange juice into a glass results in at least two puddles of juice lying on the worksurface / carpet / bedclothes / wherever. We could *choose* to change that of course, to use the power of the orange juice buyer to make a real difference to carton spouts. It just so happens that we don't. We have the choice to buy *just exactly whoever's orange juice we want to*. In whatever carton. We just happen to *like* particular cartons and not like other cartons. That's how we make our choice, nothing more than that. That's what liberty means. That's why we *fought* the cold war in the first place. Ain't freedom great? I went for some Spanish food on Saturday, and was offered 'a free shot of Passion Juice' by the waiting staff. Mister Miller, or Arantxa, or whoever, please advise whether this is normal behaviour in Spanish restaurants. Naturally I declined the offer. What exactly did I turn down? Tag wrote: > They'd just shown another round of clips > of Anna 'blondy' Kournikova ... And there he was, > face painted with a Union Jack, holding aloft his > Big Breakfast ... our very own number one seed - > Thim H!O!P!kins. Sorry old son, but like many a Port Vale supporter, you were clearly mistaken. I think it is because your eyes were still rolled up in the back of your head and your neck was still in spasm. Easy mistake to make. I was the one dressed all in black waving the sign which said "Abandon All Tennis and PishPotPoshSport NOW!" And I had my face painted with a reproduction of the cover of 'Big Gold Dream' by the Fire Engines. And although I did have a big breakfast, it would have been downright disgusting to hold it up at that stage... it was already well on the way to being fully digested. That's probably enough for now. Oh, except to add that Mark, uninspired middle of the road rock music doesn't stop being uninspired middle of the road rock music just because it's on some pisspoor indie label and it's feted by a handful cretins from the inkies with less than the one brain between them. As a very wise man once said: 'Midway Still? My hairy arse.' Cheerio chums, tim _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From adrock at xxx.com Tue Jun 29 16:51:15 1999 From: adrock at xxx.com (Mike Jones) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:51:15 -0400 Subject: Sinister: boo hiss Message-ID: <000801bec247$3a1565e0$bad88dcc@oemcomputer> sigh...my fulltime summer job begins on july 10...no nyc picnic fr me. methinks i shall organize some sort of suare'. (did i even come remotely close to spelling that? i feel somewhat guilty seeing that my girlfriend calls me the chief of grammar police) are there any serge gainsbourg fans here? im a tad surprised i've heard nothing of mr g on the list since my arrival into the nursery. also...i remember what i wanted to ask in my last post. could any fans of felt drop some advice on a "beginner's guide", i.e. a good album of theirs to start with. i'm terribly intrigued from all i hear about this band. i've also been on a quest for the first orange juice record...i had a feeling i'd have to resort to traveling to ther music in nyc for it, but that's a post drift... has anyone else felt like their summer is taking on an incredibly unusual mood? perhaps it's just the fact that now that i am 17 things are really changing...i'm taking lessons with a driving instructor and starting the miasma of college searching and future-planning...it seems as though the summer isn't...fun anymore. well, because of such, i've been recording songs on my stereo/karaoke-war-machine using lots of toy instruments, a casio sampling keyboard (incredibly prehistoric) and a tushload of field recordings... a lot of it is reminiscent of beck's old 4-track tapes (golden feelings, fresh meat & old slabs) and smog's julius caesar LP (which i recommend to everyone...bedroom recordings at their best.) nothing revelatory, just silly lil songs from a silly lil boy. if anyone would like a copy of my silly tapes to listen to on a rainy day, send me yr address and i will give you a copy. ok. i hope you are all ok... aloha, mike j adrock at netrom.com **ape shall never kill ape** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kingphilip66 at xxx.uk Tue Jun 29 17:24:12 1999 From: kingphilip66 at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?philip=20hill?=) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:24:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: I'm in a mess, I'm in a dress Message-ID: <19990629162412.4299.rocketmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> Today's Time Out magazine includes a guide to New York. Under the cabaret listing is the following: "Kiki & Herb at Fez: This drag cabaret act offers a programme of entertainment that will leave you screeching with laughter. Kiki plunders everything from Tori Amos and the Wu-Tang Clan to Belle & Sebastian and Momus in her own drunken, debauched fashion..." Just thought you should know. KingP _____________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Tue Jun 29 17:29:29 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:29:29 -0700 Subject: Sinister: The Smiths, God bless them Message-ID: I sent this message once before but never received it, so I don't think it went through. Forgive me if anybody gets this twice. ***************************************************** While I think it is unfair to both bands to compare Belle & Sebastian to the Smiths, I must reply to the message below. THIS WILL NOT STAND! Morrissey said it himself: "Don't forget the songs that made you cry/And the songs that saved your life". It's easy to dismiss Morrissey as 'narcissistic' without acknowledging that any time a performer gets on a stage without a paper bag on his/her head, in one way or another they're asking that the spotlight be put on them. This is what P!O!P! is, if you're not going to accept that all pop is a cult of personality (besides faceless mechanical techno drivel) then I don't understand why you would take part in the very cult of personality that the Sinister list is. It's a double standard that completely undermines Joseph's argument. The Smiths got their start on an indie label, were staunchly anti-Thatcher, and are held up today by most as a shining example of an '80s band who did NOT personify their time. Billy Bragg, Mr. Red Wedge himself, was on TV a month ago singing the praises of the Smiths' politically conscious songs, and wishing they were still making new ones. I think that Joseph displays an attitude that is, ironically, much more 1980s than anything you could ever pin on the Smiths. This attitude seems to say that now that the novelty is gone, now that you're no longer a 16-year-old whose very existence is being validated by The Smiths, you can just toss them aside, they're of no use any more, forget about them. In reality, The Smiths were a perfect pop band, I would personally say the best ever, with beautiful music, sadness AND humor, and all of it was so full of hope for kindness and love in the world; any cynicism or spite in the music comes directly from the disappointment of that hope. As I've grown older, I've found nothing but more layers and depth to The Smiths' music. Pigeon-holing it as narcissistic and sad is just lazy, it's jumping on a bandwagon and not thinking for yourself, because any real listen to the Smiths music reveals a range that encompasses pure misery, pure joy, and anything in between. I remember a couple years ago when Luke Haines of the Auteurs/Black Box Recorder dismissed Morrissey, saying 'I don't really care about this man any more'. Now, I LOVE Luke Haines, think he's a genius (everybody go buy the new Auteurs single "The Rubettes" right now!), but when he said that he was revealing an embarrassing anxiety of influence. I refuse to believe that the Auteurs could be what they are without The Smiths being there first, and if The Smiths weren't spinning 'round on Stuart M's turntable, we may have had Belle & Sebastian, but I bet they'd sound a hell of a lot different without that influence. We all know Belle & Sebastian still love The Smiths, even covered 'Reel Around the Fountain', and I would assume most of us on the list wouldn't be so quick to discard them as Joseph is. I fully credit Morrissey for any interest I've ever had in pop music- he was one of the few public personalities who ever seemed really passionate about it, regardless of his sometimes narrow taste. He made it okay to find comfort in your record collection, when people have let you down. This may seem like narcissism or selfishness to some, but in so many ways it really did save my life. I hope I'm not the only one who jumps to the defense of this band. Though I certainly think Joseph has a right to his opinion, I think his arguments are completely baseless, to the point of being merely antagonistic. It worked. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: P68d6ern at xxx.com To: sinister at Majordomo.net Sent: 6/28/99 1:56 PM Subject: Sinister: Proof that I have too much free time Hello All, Just this morning I was thinking about the comments people have made comparing the Smiths to Belle and Sebastian; I came to the conclusion that there is no comparison what so ever. I recently re-listened to some Smiths albums and I realized that they no-longer hold any importance for me at all (except as nostalgia), and the reason for this is the complete self-absorption of Morrissery's lyrics. As I 16 year old I was fascinated by songs such as HAND IN GLOVE, but now all I can say is, "who cares." Not to say that the song is bad (I do think that it is a good song), but the sentiment, the emphasis on the "me" did not appeal to me at all. Thus the difference with Belle and Sebastian (also the difference between 16 year old me and 30 year old me). Both the Smiths and B&S have lyrics that are "sad" but the lyrics of B&S songs seem to find comfort in this sadness; a "we all have bad times, but we will get over it" tone. And the characters in B&S songs are more sympathetic: the characters of Smiths songs, to me, seem to invite nothing but pity. Maybe this difference is due to the difference in the (look out, pretentious word alert) zeitgeist of the 80's and 90's. The 1980s was a time of every man and woman for his/herself; all was about making money and having more toys than the next person. The Smiths were seen as a reaction against this, but I feel that their self-absorption fits right in with this attitude (I know Morrissery was an advocate for animal rights, but this does not take away from the egotism of his music--I am talking about music only). B&S have a wider world view, a very 90's world view, where almost anyone is able to place themselves in the situations of B&S songs (emotional if not actual experience). Listening to a Smiths song one has the impression that every lyric is about Morrissery and his obsessions; listening to B&S one has the impression that they have a view that goes further than their nose. Another way for me to put this is to use an example of what some critic had said about the Beatles: the Beatles music and lyrics was seen as comforting, aurally wrapping their collective arms around the listener. I think that the music of B&S is similar because even though the songs may be sad, so many people (from what I have gathered from postings) listen to B&S and leave feeling better. One final point--the fans. Fans of the Smiths took on not only Morrissery's "attitude" but also his look. I remember hordes of teenagers dressing like Morrissery: the hair, the glasses, even the hearing aid. There was a cult of personality around Morrissery that does not exist with B&S, and this lack of a cult of personality around B&S is not only another difference from the Smiths, but is also a very good thing. Sorry this was so long, but I did try to condense my thoughts. I hope my point comes through. Regards, Joseph PS I noticed that my spell check says to replace "Morrissery" with "morosely"--just a concidence perhaps? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From justin at xxx.com Tue Jun 29 17:41:28 1999 From: justin at xxx.com (Justin Williams) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:41:28 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Re: smiths defense Message-ID: <4.1.19990629112131.009da2b0@delafont.com> Good day lovely ones, I of course would never hesitate to defend the smiths, but for the most part not only did Chris do a mighty fine job himself, I think that they really defend themselves. To Joseph, I am sure his opinions are valid and substantiated and to others like him too so it is really hard to say that one opinion is right and the other wrong. All I can really say is that of course Morrissey sings about himself because is that is who he knows best. I think the one of the values of the smiths, at least for me, was the fact that I could relate to the lyrics. And the fact that the lyrics were put forth genuinely and so personally I find them that much more satisfying. If he were to try to speak for a generation of popsters instead of letting his own viewpoints draw the generation to him I think it would be all too obvious. One last thing before I get back to work, Joseph mentioned that B&S and smiths songs have had their fair share of sadness, but B&S seems to find comfort in them....I personally found an immeasurable amount of comfort in almost every "sad" smiths song so I can't really agree with him there. I don't want this to be an attack on Joseph at all, so I hope it is all taken in stride. When I first read his post, yeah, I immediately disagreed with him, but that alone is not enough to challenge the validity of his thoughts. One thing that I thought about that may or may not have made a difference, I am 22 and I think Chris is 23, so considering Joseph was at a more mature age during the smiths peak he may have had a different perspective on the scene. This is also easy for me to say since I wasn't the first to come to the smiths' defense, but anyhow take care everyone... Justin W Felonius Monk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lyricjunkie at xxx.com Tue Jun 29 19:23:16 1999 From: lyricjunkie at xxx.com (Natasha Rachel) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Harry was born at such an early age Message-ID: <19990629182316.13958.rocketmail@web307.yahoomail.com> Hello smutsters. If anyone wants to know where the summer goes, then I can exclusively reveal that it's here in the rightermost corner of the Mediterranean. I'll do my best to bring it with me to the London picnics at the weekend. If you're going to one or both of them - and let's face it, you should be - then take a minute to leave a little message on the board so we can get the atmosphere started. Have a look, there's even an easy peasy lemon squeezy link here: belleandsebastian.co.uk/cgi-bin/mboard/belle/thread.cgi?272,0 In I Know Where The Summer Goes, I thought that "I know where the summer dwells/ When your underarm smells" was "I know where the summer dwells/ When you're under our spell". The concept of context (try saying THAT 3 times quickly [*] ) is again blatantly disregarded and overruled by the conviction that the mishearing "sounds good". Well it does. And while we're on the subject, the first time I heard Music Sounds Better With You, I thought the "Love might bring us back together" line was "Last night we slept together". [*] Incidentally, how much wood WOULD a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? My computer was sick for nearly a week and now it's better you're all bored of the threads I wanted to add to. So I shall be brutally selective and just pick the "what to do if you're depressed" subject (which somehow turned into "what to listen to- or not- when you're depressed"). Michael Head and the Strands talk about "Things that get you/ when you're alone/ they try to break you/ forgetting you're stoned". You could take that as the go-ahead to get so high you can't feel the pain, but a better solution, if only temporary sometimes, is simply to go out with your friends. It's especially helpful to get yourself around people who dispense hugs at the slightest hint something is wrong. Nine times out of ten a heartfelt hug will not fail to make you feel at least a little bit better. And that's my tip of the day. I accidentally thought up a Belle & Sebastian -related competion but I'll tell you about that next time. Natasha xx _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Tue Jun 29 19:39:36 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:39:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: and if you can stand, I would like to take you by the hand Message-ID: Dear sinisterines, You've been talking a bit about sleater kinney and hairy armpits of late, which reminded me of something which has been on my mind in the last, say, six months or so. I've wanted to start a band, but havent found any female bands, apart from the now gone Kenikie, to influence me. Sleater Kinney are too abrasive for weak middle class souls like me (although I still like listening to them, I couldn't attempt to sound like them) Velocette a bit too wishy washy (apart from 'get yourself together' which is popmagic). People curse me for saying "I want to be in a band so I can be famous" but lots of special people wanted fame more than a journey of musical discovery. I know Belle and Sebastian wanted nothing less than their body on the cover of the NME, but I want lots of money and matching poodles, and I'm not ashamed of that. It would be fabulously trashy, and theres a bit of you that wants it too. I love the magic and superficial things, infact I wish to be more shallow, so that life would become more simple. It's grim up north, you know. We travelled in silver rolls royces at 30mph on roads looking over the yorkshire hillside, shining against all the greyness. Everyone near london should come to the picnic at the weekend. Infact I insist you come, for I'll be baking things (the things are not babies, by the way, but cakes). Tres bizare.. Erica x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From P68d6ern at xxx.com Tue Jun 29 20:23:12 1999 From: P68d6ern at xxx.com (P68d6ern at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:23:12 EDT Subject: Sinister: Lighten up, it is only an opinion Message-ID: <10619001.24aa7720@aol.com> Hello All, I find it truly amazing that certain people did not pick up on the irony of my statement (As if my subject line was not enough of a hint). Granted, I do believe in what I had said, but I chose to write in an over the top manner that is similar to many of Morrissey's lyrics. I find Chris's response to my letter proves my point about Smiths fans better then I did myself: His reaction was one of knee-jerk anger, with obvious attempts to hurt my feelings. I am oh so sorry Chris for not following in the lockstep fashion (fascism) of the Smiths Army (by the way Chris, if I still felt the same way about the band now as I did when I was 16 would mean that I have not grown as a person since then--maybe one day you will understand what I mean and not react in such a manner). I find that there is no point in further responding to Chris's statement, because it will be like attempting to discuss the pros of Capitalism with a member of the Red Guard. And thank-you to Justin for picking up on a part of what I was saying: Imagine if you will Justin, being a person like myself (well imagine me at 16) who smokes, likes to have a drink or two and being a Smiths fan (which, contrary to what some people may think I still am--why does irony seem to be lost on so many?), and having a legion of male and female Morrissey clones "tsk tsk" you and call you an animal killer because you order a drink from the bar at a Smiths show? So you are right, my perspective was different; because I did not conform to what was expected of a Smiths fan I was seen as the "enemy" by lonely kids from the suburbs who today probably work in dreary jobs and watch Ally Mcbeal--oh, and probably have forgotten about their "childish" attempts at being a vegetarian. The point--if it is not clear by now--is that any type of conformity is negative (even if this conformity is for the supposed "liberal" ideals of someone like Morrissey. I say "supposed" because I remember in the late 80s early 90s Morrissey took on a very pro-British attitude that some at the time found to be slightly racist--but I digress...), and the conformity that surrounded Smiths fans went against the notion of personal freedom which should be important to anyone who has any sensitivities to others; and I feel that Belle and Sebastian--and the band's fans--represent this notion better than those of the Smiths. (I have a feeling that some might read too much into what I just said; meaning that I have a grudge, that I was not "liked" by Smiths fans or something like that. I am just using an example of something that happened--at the time I found their idiocy both funny and sad.) That's about it. I'm off to listen to "The Queen is Dead" (ha ha). Please remember that it is healthy to disagree and to argue in an intelligent manner--and to keep an open mind. Have a nice day all, Joseph +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Tue Jun 29 20:51:35 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:51:35 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Sincere apology Message-ID: Hello all and esp. Joseph- I would like to say that I deeply regret the tone of my earlier post. While I stand by my opinion, it was wrong of me to be so vehement and, yes, a bit reactionary. What I really wanted to express was that I am very sensitive to people criticizing this band (The Smiths), as I honestly feel they helped to shape who I am, and they're still quite sacred to me. I have friends who love The Smiths and who also smoke and drink and eat meat, and I wouldn't dream of telling them they're out of line, that's not for me to decide. I don't consider myself a fascist or part of any Army, and I'm perfectly happy amongst people who don't even like The Smiths. But I really do think there's much to identify with in the music of The Smiths, I find it warm and generous and welcoming, and it doesn't feel to me like it's pushing people away or asking for pity at all. Okay, I'm going to resist my immense temptation to go on and on about why exactly I still think The Smiths are relevant, and just say that we're all here because we like one band, and I agree with Joseph 100% that the Belle & Sebastian and Smiths comparisons should stop, it's not fair, and those comparisons seem to imply that B&S are 'ripping off' The Smiths, which I wholeheartedly disagree with. Also, that while The Smiths hold a special place in my heart, Belle & Sebastian touch the same part of me that The Smiths touch, with their entirely different approach. I wish this had been my earlier message and not the post I sent, but that was how I felt, I just expressed it in a rather nasty way and I really do apologize, to Joseph and everybody, for that. I don't think Joseph's opinion makes him unintelligent or wrong or antagonistic or anything, and really the thought that anybody would think I'm out to hurt anybody's feelings is unbearable to me. Forgiveness please? Sadly and regretfully- -Chris :( +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Tue Jun 29 22:24:51 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:24:51 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Free to be T***, free to be you and me!!! Message-ID: <000801bec275$d3aac960$1c11020a@rebelstrange> >Smiths, I must reply to the message below. THIS WILL NOT STAND! Morrissey said it himself: "Don't forget the songs that made you cry/And the songs that saved your life". ah, wee Chris mcquain. the wetblankets thought they'd do you in, but they were SOO wrong. your passionate defense of the revolutionary nature of private angst has brought a tear to my eye. you's my kind of people. Here's a drink raised to you, aye!! I'd say B/S seem.....much similar to the smiths in some ways....the sentiment of the stories comes from a different perspective--stuart's songs are usually from the point of view of a different character each time, wondering about their own personal dreams and whimsies. the ethic is more expansive, but in teh end i think it comes down to the same thing---the day to day to day passions of some random human being, whether it be always morrissey(sic?), or either judy or sebastian or jane, *do* have the power to resonate with us. at least i believe so. in the decade of coke-snorting and fabulous excess, who was wondering about the private alienation of some lonely disenfranchised sad teenager?? i'll bet the smiths music made an impact in more people than we can imagine. and let me second the brilliance of Luke Haines!! i didn't know they had a new single out. ARGH they are fabulous! New Wave was on of the records i cut my guitar-playing teeth on. i still admire his elegant simplicity of style. those songs are so much fun to play...... Sell-out pride: sometimes i just LIKe things what are pretty and make me feel nice. there is a time for angry Womyn, a time for esoteric solipsistic weirdness for the fuck of it, a time for trying so hard to break barriers you end up wrecking your brains in the impossibility of such a deed. and there is a time for nice sweet pretty music that makes you feel all daisy-chained and want to pick pink posies for your darling and cuddle baby lambs and hold tiny tiny frogs in the palm of your hand and sigh dreaming on the dewy moss in the haze of the sunshine. all Humbuggers: Dr. Tweeasfuck prescribes 2 tablespoons daily of "Tree Lullaby", a pink and blue capsule of "Poupee de Cire" by France Gall, and bi-weekly recorder lessons. we need to clear our minds now and then. i tire of my vicious defense of feminist theory, my brain gets boggled. nothing wrong with cute nice girls now, nothing wrong at all. in any case--the double-speak of being on a belle and sebby list and complaining about teh crime of innocuousness? what's revolutionary about B&S?? ultimately, now. tell me. they have a conscience, they have style, they have grace.....but in the final analysis--it's all pretty nice music that makes your heart go pitter-patter. (my opinion, take with grain of salt) it's been done before, admit it!! and YOU like it!!! you eat it up out the palm of stuart's saintly hand!!! "pwetty pwetty pwease, more sweet music, stwuan!!!" you SALIVATE for it. you fear to admit how un-hep it is to dance along to a recorder solo in a song that misleadingly is about a sexual apparatus! You pathetic romantics. i pity you all......... :o) and me the worst offender by far!! there, i've said it, i'd say it again if i had to. ABBA is fucking great!!! admit it you poseurs!!! You dance along to madonna's "lucky star" in the darkness of your own bedroom, cos you can't shake the primal urge to shake your money thang to something totally idiotic and insubstantial. THAT is P!O!P! pretty pretty pretty pop!!!! sugar sugar sugar, sugar pie honeybunch, lalalalalalafuckingla!!! Louie lou-eye, ooh ooh we got go!!!! Joy and terror and loneliness and longing and lust and rage and irony balled up into bite-size capsules of PURE emotion. it's what you want, it's what you know, it's what you NEED! i apologize for that outburst. i'm fascinaated by the topic of shaving and hairiness. i was having an argurment with my friend sam the other day cos i said i find someone's natural body odor more sexy than perfume. she said "not when they havne't bathed for 3 weeks" which wasn't the issue, i dont' know ayone who doesn't bathe. but i hate perfume, it makes me feel ill, it was invented because ppl in olden days never bathed, and they needed something so obnoxious it would drown out their own bodily filth. the obnoxiousness continues. i dont' like it, it's fake. it's a fascinating idea for me to notice i am transfixed by the fact i can smell the scent of someone's body, and it doesn't bother me, in fact it sticks in my brain and turns me on. i think it's primal. i'm not talking being absolutely rank and filthy, just the natural way your deodorant/whatever may wear off in teh course of a day. you know. sweat is very sexy. if i'm attracted to someone i'm not gonna be picky about how perfect they are, i want THEM all the way. every 'imperfection'. "the Voice that stands for floods to me/is sterile born to some/the face that makes the morning mean/glows impotent on them" some Emily Dickinson for you all, in the guise of the Poetry Peewit. it excites me to no end to fantasize i'm finding beauty in something other people would never notice. and on that note. i want to re-iterate my tirades are not personal attacks on anyone who disagrees! i just have a big fat mouth, and i'm in a weird mood these days. argument and debate is the spice of life. contradictions make me wet. missed me missed me now you gotta kiss me, LJ mike j. i must fervently agree with you as to the weirdness of this summer. fuck fuck!!!! this summer is blowing my fwagile wittle mind. i'm in some weird universe. http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange they were like those gauche youths who turn up to house parties only to cling to the dark corners in chaste disdain, driven by the naive, vaguely inhuman conviction that all merriment is a lie. SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bkim0 at xxx.edu Tue Jun 29 22:20:30 1999 From: bkim0 at xxx.edu (FourJacksAndAJill) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Felt Up at the Philly Marine Research show... Message-ID: <199906292120.RAA75622@dept.english.upenn.edu> Howdly doodly Sinisterinos First I just wondered if any of you are going to see Marine Research next Thursday (July 8th) at Stalag 13 in Philadelphia. It should be a good time...feel free to drop a mail if you are. I can't guarantee that you'll get felt up there as my subject header ominously predicts, but if you're looking for that kind of treatment, dress accordingly...:) (What???) Secondly re: Felt starting points. There are a few routes you could take. Felt can roughly be carved up into three categories: a) Jangly spindly guitar atmosphere period aka Maurice Deebank era (Crumbling The Antispetic Beauty, The Splendour of Fear) b) Jangly spindly guitar + keyboards period aka Maurice Deebank and Martin Duffy era (Ignite The Seven Cannons, The Strange Idols Pattern And Other Stories) c) Somewhat jangly guitar + heavy keyboards period aka Martin Duffy era (Forever Breathes The Lonely Word, Poem Of The River, Let The Snakes Crinkle Their Heads To Death (instr.), Train Above The City (instr.), Pictorial Jackson Review, Me And A Monkey On The Moon, Space Blues, and I'm sure I'm missing something else) Categories B and C yield some interesting similarities to Belle and Sebastian's sound, but A is my personal favorite. Somewhat like the Cocteau Twins without so much chorus and delay, and slightly "worse" (more like more unique!) vocals. However it could get a little too sparse and depressing for you (I believe they could gloom it up with the best of 'em back then), and things get poppier towards the end. You could try period B for a bit of both and decide which way you want to go. This is probably best summed up with _The Strange Idols Pattern_ and _Ignite The Seven Cannons_. The CD (can't remember which album, since they're both on the one disc) contains "Primitive Painters", a very epic slow groove song with the Cocteau Twins' Liz Fraser (Robin Guthrie produced) that's amazing, even if the guitars get a little too processed under Guthrie's heavy hand. Don't be too shocked at Lawrence's voice though. That's probably the make-or-break element to the band, 'cause the music otherwise is pretty enough and not quite as distinctive, relatively speaking. He's not exactly always in tune but you can hear passion and drama in his voice. He don't sound nothin' like Stuart, that's for sure. More like Lou Reed + Bob Dylan + David Byrne + Bryan Ferry + ? Actually I take that back. Maurice Deebank's guitar (as has been discussed before) was as distinctive as Lawrence's voice, just more in tune and waaaay more articulate. _Me and A Monkey_ is a bit country (not that there's anything wrong with that) and a bit synthy (bad clav sounds...but good Moog sounds, very ahead of their time) and bit more convetional, song-structure-wise. Still good though! And it has some deliciously creamy pedal steel on "I Can't Make Love To You Anymore." This post probably fits well under the "Too Helpful" category heading, doesn't it? Well, there are probably nine million other Felt-heads here, so please feel free to add or correct or elaborate. You may find yourself born in the back of a mobile shack, Xavier BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0 at dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? 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WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From P68d6ern at xxx.com Tue Jun 29 22:42:56 1999 From: P68d6ern at xxx.com (P68d6ern at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:42:56 EDT Subject: Sinister: Sincere apology Message-ID: <1ed54033.24aa97e0@aol.com> Hello again, and hello Chris I am breaking my personal rule of posting more than once a day, but I will break this rule to answer Chris's letter. All I was trying to do was make two points: 1. it is unfair to compare one band to another, and as Chris stated comparisons between the Smiths and B&S do imply that B&S rips of the Smiths--which I believe they do not; 2. conformity is a bad thing. I am glad that Chris stands by his opinion, and he has every right to do so. And just because we disagree on a few points does not give either of us a reason to snipe at each other. So Chris apology excepted, and remember: "it's easy to laugh it's easy to hate/it takes strength to be gentle and kind." Once again, have a nice day all, esp Chris. Joseph +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From guile at xxx.br Tue Jun 29 23:09:23 1999 From: guile at xxx.br (Guilherme Barrella) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:09:23 -0300 Subject: Sinister: birthdays and mondays always get me down... Message-ID: <37794410.503352AD@telnet.com.br> hello sinisterines, why i get so depressed every year, on my birthday? i'm feeling so bad that i can't use my shift key - and i thought this would never happen to me. i'm thinking of something to do because i'll be the birthday boy, next friday. sorry, i misquoted carpenters in my subject line and now belle and sebastian... btw, i have a friend that said that every time he listens to belle and sebastian, carpenters come to his mind. i don't know, but this happens to me sometimes. what do you think? i shouldn't say this in the middle of the smiths/belle battle but, i already said... hum, what else? may i talk about radiohead a bit? i just want to recommend their new video documentary, "meeting people is easy". it's so beautiful. and i'm not saying that because i'm a fan. i almost forgot that the video was about radiohead. it's a beautiful movie about how life can be sad, even if you're a popstar. i couldn't hold my tears in some parts. i love it, and i can't really explain, sorry, you have to see it for yourselves. oh, may i ask a favor, to the french sinisterines? i'm a huge fan of a band called spain and their new album "she haunts my dreams" comes with a free bonus cd. but the bonus cd can be found only on the fnac store - not available through the internet, i tried. anyway, i'll send you the money - including postage - if you'd be kind enough to pick up the new cd plus the free bonus cd for me. again, the cd is called "she haunts my dreams" and it comes with a free bonus cd containing demo versions of "dreaming of love" and "phone machine" as well as a live track. i guess i'm being repetitive, sorry. oh, needless to say but i'll say it anyway. spain is a great band, you should all check them out. ok, i'm out of here. e-mail me privately, please. peace, gui ps - i'm listening now to a beautiful band, lullaby for the working class. and i don't even have a job. and i feel worse. pathetic. pps - don't ask how i could use ? and " without using the shift key... you wouldn't understand... and i couldn't tell either. but, if you look carefully, you'd realize that i couldn't do the same trick with the parenthesis. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Tue Jun 29 23:54:34 1999 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:54:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Sinister : Renne and Renate Message-ID: Hello again, I wish I had something to apologise for as that seems the current thread so I'll give it a go. Who would think that 80's pop with that bloke with the whiney voice and rockabilly quiff could raise such a fuss eh? Like the Sleater-Kinney thing previously I always had a voice barrier with the Smiths. All personal opinion of course and the guitar intros are all very dandy but when said wearer of said quiff chips in his two-penny worth it doesn't work for me anymore. So naturally I always say I hate the Smiths when asked. Though I was converted into liking "Please, Please, Please..." maybe due to its shortness. As a wise man (or closet Tennis fanatic) said earlier: "What better place to have hatred? In fact, I can't imagine how it is possible to love pop without hating because pop, for me, is so bound up with self identification and picking more or less arbitrary sides..." - Tim Hopkins I must concur. And while I'm ranting I'll also have to disagree with Lesley's pro- Abba stance. I think they're utter shite, I don't like "Shuttap ya Face" or Renee and Renate's "Save my Love" (I can't get the last two out of my head for some reason again it must be a summer thing) but as least I don't have to listen to them everywhere I go. Though I must agree about Madonna though as I love Get Into the Groove and was very distraught when I warped my 12" when I was a lad (I hope that's taken out of context). Anyway, which day is the preferred choice of picnic-ing in London this weekend. As I don't want to go twice as I hear you can overdose on Scotch Eggs and Quiche. Also never mix your savouries. Must dash some band's on MTV or something... Te ra, Martin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Wed Jun 30 01:08:15 1999 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:08:15 PDT Subject: Sinister: gilette sensor or mach 3 Message-ID: <19990630000817.10606.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear List, Why talk about music when we can talk about body hair! Yay body hair!Oh come on.Don`t you roll your eyes at me! When the new album comes out,then you can have your day.For now...it`s the fun stuff. I`ve never read the Joy Of Sex,or Our Bodies Our Selves,but my relatives throw those facts out at me and my friends all the time. "Don`t be a slave to someone else`s standards." "Hair naturally protects you from the elements." Alright.I like SMOOTHNESS though,but that`s just my own opinion.Maybe some girls enjoying braiding their leg hair,it`s all a matter of preference,baby! It`s all good. Like Stuart...he`s s-m-o-o-t-h with the chicks. whats with those men shaving commericals anyways? it`s always some guy flying a fighter jet at warp speed and he has to stroke his chin about a thousand times. (hey,I sound like a comedien! `whats with airplane food` etc etc) and I still can't >imagine anybody not thinking Isobel is pretty. well maybe if you just saw her by herself,but then you see Stuart Murdoch and he is SO way prettier than her...a bazillion googleplex times more,even.The story wasn`t made up by the way.Scout`s Honour.I think Isobel`s just got her Witchy Woman spell on you. Yeah...like I`m going to spend an evening talking about how good Belle and Sebastians music is...I might as well put a big L on my forehead! If I`m going to talk about them,its going to be a giggle fest,for sure.I better be careful ...I seem to be getting misunderstood here.Like,WAY outta it,but it`s ok. (*slams door and stomps foot* No one understands me! boo fecking hoo! heh heh)I think it`s a communication thing..maybe were getting lost in the quebec vibe. LesleyJo wrote: AND let me vent a little bit. it really irks me when people have the >impression that the only thing qualifying you as a "woman" or "feminist" is >not to shave your armpits. or that if you like to wear dresses or >something, you can't be a "real" woman. the whole point of the feminist >movement was so that women could CHOOSE the way they want to be, and men >too, so anyone who wants to can wear a dress, or choose not to shave their >legs or whatever. I guess i shoulda been more specific...but that`s kind of what I meant!What you were saying is what I was saying...were singing the same song,angelpants. (You don`t mind me calling you angelpants,do you?)well,maybe not...the words get a big jumbled with me.So,most of the times it`s best to just pat me on the head and nod and blink vancantly when I attempt to talk about serious things.I wasn`t arguing that,thats what I WAS saying that going `I dont do (hairy legs, non hairy legs,whatever) therefore I am a feminist` is wrong...aie yie yie,I should just shut it right now.It`s been done,done,done before Genevieve...oh alright.Serious face. Ok fine Tim Hopkins,she`s not a COLD FISH.Although I had no idea what you were going on about there.She`s a BURNT MARSHMALLOW.("Oh stop it." "No YOU stop it!") oh who wants to talk about women anyways, eew! lets talk cartoons, or skinnydipping,even better.Just kidding! har dee har, ok, not funny.I know. lotsa l-o-v-e, The Maybe Not So Mean And Nasty Prom Girl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From u01cjtc at xxx.uk Wed Jun 30 01:52:51 1999 From: u01cjtc at xxx.uk (Colin Campbell) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 01:52:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: let's all go to peru Message-ID: does anyone out there want to go to peru with me? I decided yesterday to go to peru, but i can't convince any of my friends to come with me. We can climb up to the ancient inca city of machu pichu and listen to Belle and sebastian as the sun rises over the mountains, and then sacrifice some virgins, or something, to please the sun god. Honestly it'll be fun. Why peru you ask? well cos that's where paddington bear comes from, and as we all know paddington wears a lovely duffel coat and red wellingtons, and cos I want to buy an alpacca sweater and a poncho. I don't want to go on my own cos that would be too scary and bandits might rob me, so if you do want to come i would prefer a big person who looks mean. I want to go see hefner ion glasgow as well but i cant cos i have to look after my little sister while my parents are away for their 25th wedding anniversary, poo. colin. making absolutely no sense. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Wed Jun 30 05:50:25 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E Hamilton) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:50:25 -0400 Subject: Sinister: a late night snack Message-ID: <000701bec2b4$1419f5a0$d71574cc@woody> to all my sleepy cheery friends, well i just tried to go to sleep, but alas it did not work, and now i am stuck here flagrantly trying to convince my eyes to stay in their downright locked positions. oh the humanity of it all! the conflict! though i did have a b&s dream last night. well, it didn't have cheery Isobel in it (we'll get to that in a minute) but it did have the music, indeed it did. well i was in a big room with a bunch of my mates from high school (don't ask) and i was trying to explain to them why b&s were so great. i went on and on about the extraordinary amount of reverb on everything and how they were an 8 piece extravagant wall of sound, and then i played sleep the clock around and actually danced, yes i danced, in my dream. i could actually hear the music, oh what a night, yes the stars were indeed smiling. Isobel equals pure cuteness and i'd flag down her departing caboose faster than you could say "neverland, ha!". well, that was somewhat crude. i best be going to sleep now. harbourfest tomorrow night, the pretzel/snowcone boy will be there, will you? love, blake xx the nerdy shy eyed pacifist -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "Fuck!" - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From the_fear66 at xxx.com Wed Jun 30 12:23:39 1999 From: the_fear66 at xxx.com (Matt Powell) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:23:39 GMT Subject: Sinister: Drink,sleep,mistakes and the smiths Message-ID: <19990630112340.56132.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello sinister people I discovered last night one of the main problems of enjoying the �odd tipple� here and there. I fell asleep (in a drunken haze, obviously) at around ten o�clock and didn�t wake until two in the morning, and I�d completely bloody missed the B&S special on MTV. Me mum knew I wanted to watch it, and bless her, she tried to tape it for me, but being old she can�t use things like video recorders (can I say that?) . If there is anyone (london based) who taped it and is going to the picnic on Saturday I�d really, really appreciate it if I could borrow it. I visited a friend at his university this weekend and I had the chance to listen to a copy of a copy of a copy etc. of Tigermilk, but I passed it up. I could possibly be the only sinister listee who hasn�t heard it yet, but I thought that I might as well wait the two weeks to hear it properly. Did I do the right thing I wonder? Probably not. On a different note, I must publicly thank Chris McQuain for his brilliant defence of the Smiths. I�ve never been blessed with the most creative or eloquent writing style and I was pleased to find that everything that I felt and feel about the Smiths had already been posted, but by someone with a rather superior writing ability. I'd also like to congratulate the organiser of Tigermilking (a few weeks ago now I know, but I went on holiday straight after, and this is the first opportunity I�ve had to write about it) and especially DJ Mark (I think) for putting up with my drunken ramblings. A great time was had by all and I cant wait for the next one (anyone any idea when?). Bye Matt ps this is only my second post, and i'm still too shy to enter the real points of discussion, but give me time. pps would someone mind mailing me privately the details for the picnic on saturday, as i dont think i have them. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Wed Jun 30 13:54:03 1999 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:54:03 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: we could be happy underground Message-ID: i think i made myself some luck by listening to happy music. i am convinced this is possible, and will certainly not be listening to The Smiths before any job interviews in the near future. i got my final degree result yesterday and it was a first. i have jaw-ache from smiling so much. i was completely shocked, largely because i have spent the past year slagging off academia and (as a matter of principle, of course) neglecting the soaring marvels of shakespeare, coleridge, orwell, levi, donne, plath, atwood & c. so it must have been luck. plus, i threw myself on the mercy of my bank (which fortunately was grassy and springy so i had a soft landing... sorry, sorry). and i am no longer in financial crisis, though i am still very much in debt. (ben folds five sing in the background: "give me my money back you bitch, i want my money back." a great song and not bitter at all...) so i won't be going to my grad ball dressed in rags after all, although i'm sure i won't be as resplendent as genevieve was in her prom dress. ("you wear those shoes and i will wear that dress, kiss me...") i feel i can now go back to poignant music like b&s without drowning myself in tears. although i am still parted by an ocean (well, the english channel) from my beloved and therefore cannot partake in the joys of slow dancing as described by the incandescently fabulous lesley jo. ("i want to dance, i want a drink of whiskey") to shave or not to shave: i also think this is totally a matter of individual choice, although it is interesting to ponder on the social factors which made it an option in the first place. (the poet herrick used to go into rhapsodies about ladies' thighs, smooth like an egg, and this was well before gillette came along. wishful thinking peut-etre?) but it's a gruesome shame when women with diverse qualities, talents and inner beauty are stereotyped with reference to what they choose to do or not with their body hair. while i wouldn't want to suggest that men are immune from being stereotyped (eg. pink shirt = gayboy), there does seem to be much more of a tendency to focus on women's appearances rather than achievements, weaknesses rather than strengths. hence any strong emotion is seen as irrationality/petulance/hysteria/bitchiness/man-hating (i'm thinking of emotions as expressed by female songwriters here) whereas it is entirely expected that men should get moony about lost love and shouty about... well, anything really, providing they combine it with a guitar solo to prove that they're serious. men can seemingly admit to the most pathetic or shocking of emotions in song without being vilified (unless they're Morrisey, apparently) but heaven FORBID women should admit that they sometimes feel really quite angry with their ex-boyfriends, or have periods. blood, sweat, tears? ugh, how disgusting, how weak, how HUMAN. ("this girl i know, she's on the rag...") okay, i know feminism isn't totally on-topic, and probably has the effect of cold kedgeree down the neck to most people, but i'd say b&s were pretty feminist, in that the female characters which people struan's songs are tenderly drawn and explored as having profound emotions and difficulties and generally being thinking subjects rather than the fantasy inamorata of so many (male-authored) love songs. b&s are clearly not revolutionary, as lj points out, and we need them because WE'RE WEAK. but at the same time they're not totally unimportant in the grand scheme of things, if you ask me. (you didn't? oh, well never mind.) they obviously do a pretty good job of making an awful lot of us feel better about ourselves, whether we're male, female, gay, straight, happy, sad, whatever. that concludes today's lesson, children. go forth and be nice to one another. and to give the last word to ABBA, naturally enough i feel: "who could live without it, i ask in all honesty what would life be? without a song or a dance what are we?" much love, archel xxx ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth do something pretty while you can don't be afraid rap101 at york.ac.uk skating a pirouette on ice is cool http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com Wed Jun 30 17:02:53 1999 From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:02:53 EDT Subject: Sinister: Shaved Heads, Smiths, and prom queens who don't shave Message-ID: my computer told me natasha said: In I Know Where The Summer Goes, I thought that "I know where the summer dwells/ When your underarm smells" was "I know where the summer dwells/ When you're under our spell". The concept of context (try saying THAT 3 times quickly [*] ) is again blatantly disregarded and overruled by the conviction that the mishearing "sounds good". Well it does. And while we're on the subject, the first time I heard Music Sounds Better With You, I thought the "Love might bring us back together" line was "Last night we slept together". (end quote) My theory was going to be that Natasha doesn't want to think about dirty things, so she didn't let herself hear the real meaning, and subsituted under our spell to replace it. but then in the next paragraph she mentions a mishearing that, well, was rather rude, infact more so than underarm smells. so that shot my theory down nicely. I think Natasha is actually a closet sex maniac, and she didn't want us to figure this out, but she feels guilty and wants to tell people too. So she threw in a diversionary paragraph, hoping no-one would notice. Unfortunately sinister is composed of smut-fiends and other rude things. So there's no surprise for us, Natasha. We love you anyway,and your post made me laugh. lesley jo said: in the decade of coke-snorting and fabulous excess, who was wondering about the private alienation of some lonely disenfranchised sad teenager?? i'll bet the smiths music made an impact in more people than we can imagine. to which i say well, i think the coke snorting and fabulous excess of the eighties has been played up quite a bit. and as far as who was worrying about the alienation of a teen? All of Morrissey's fans (there seem to be lots) and, probably, a good many worried parents who wonder why their children mope and carry flowers in their pockets. i like the smiths. But a good many of the smiths fans I have met in person (not you people! please listen!) are overly mopey and self-absorbed. I can't seem to figure it out. It's like they want to live up to some sort of stereotype. I have in mind one particular person here.. sometimes i get so frustrated with him. But that is not the fault of YOU people, and I won't go on about it. and I love what Lesley Jo had to say about feminist overload forcing her to go to the solace of pink fluffy things and sanrio. Her letters are always so great... I am also incredibly impressed with the mature and calm way that Joseph and Chris resolved matters. Good show, gents. You didn't make Listmummy get up from her nap and scold you. The Lovable Prom Grrl said: but my relatives throw those facts out at me and my friends all the time. "Don`t be a slave to someone else`s standards." "Hair naturally protects you from the elements." Alright.I like SMOOTHNESS though,but that`s just my own opinion.Maybe some girls enjoying braiding their leg hair,it`s all a matter of preference,baby! It`s all good. Like Stuart...he`s s-m-o-o-t-h with the chicks. whats with those men shaving commericals anyways?>> two comments: One: am I the only Belle and Sebastian fan with a shaved head? I just did this recently, and most people seem to think that I would like PUNK ROCK and kicking minorities in the teeth with steel capped boots. In fact all i want to do is kick Pete Waterman in the teeth with steel capped boots (old grudges die hard) Two: If girls can grow out leg hair, can I shave mine off? I don't like being hairy; except for facial hair, and even that's too much sometimes. Or does that qualify me as a homosexual? (to all list gays: I mean this as a joke, so no angry emails please, find one of the other offensive things in this letter to poke at) And I don't know what's up with men's shaving commercials. What's up with those Tampax ads? you know, the ones with hippies in the mud and jocks bellyflopping in the water at Cancun, then at the end of the commercial it says "tampax was there" Colin spoke of peru and said: I don't want to go on my own cos that would be too scary and bandits might rob me, so if you do want to come i would prefer a big person who looks mean.>> see my previous comment about bald heads and boots Buccaneer Blake "Iron Jim" Hamilton sneered: Isobel equals pure cuteness and i'd flag down her departing caboose faster than you could say "neverland, ha!".>> I suspect that "Iron Jim": is trying to say that he wants vicious up the bum sex with Isobel. Which i find rather terrifying, and I hope someone at Jeepster will alert Isobel to keep an eye out for a US listee with an eyepatch who dances to recorder solos. that's enough. thanks for reading this far, if in fact you have dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cchaffin at xxx.org Wed Jun 30 17:40:14 1999 From: cchaffin at xxx.org (Christa Chaffinch) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:40:14 -0400 Subject: Sinister: you had me several years ago, when i was still quite naive Message-ID: hey party people. i am bored. ENTERTAIN ME! oh, ok, i'll entertain you. (well maybe not) i start my new job here tomorrow. i got a raise, and everything. i hope i like this change. i'll be working with a better group of people and it won't be *quite* so tedious, but getting a new boss and all of that is semi- stressful. i hope all goes well. ever since a conversation i had last week with jessicaxo, i have decided that i want to have the job that Amanda Woodward had on Melrose Place. she wore all those skimpy clothes to sit around her office and look at pictures all day. and she could always "do it" with boys on her desk during her lunch hour. and then she could boss people around, push ex-boyfriends out of windows and go shopping when she was supposed to be at work. this appeals to me on so many levels. Dave wrote: What's up with those Tampax ads? you know, the ones with hippies in the mud and jocks bellyflopping in the water at Cancun, then at the end of the commercial it says "tampax was there" its supposed to be referring to the fact that tampax has been around for a long time.. you know, since the LATE 60'S!!! and that, therefore, women should find their brand more trustworthy/cottony/absorbant.. or something. eeep! i went absolutely nuts and bought way too much music this weekend. (ok, that's not possible, but i did spend a lot of dough). i got (finally) the gentle waves and dammit all to hell, i like it! its Pretty, and her voice sounds like the woman from the Cranes on some songs, which is neat. i also got the new Ghost LP- Snuffbox Immenence. i heartily recommend this to everyone, its just downright gorgeous. oh god ok, have i bored you enough? don't answer that. i feel better though, and frankly, that's all that matters. kissed out red float-boat , :) -christa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Bellequasi at xxx.com Wed Jun 30 23:39:21 1999 From: Bellequasi at xxx.com (Bellequasi at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:39:21 EDT Subject: Sinister: no weathershow for me Message-ID: <62c2b753.24abf699@aol.com> i recieved the 45 months ago yet i finally am writing for your help now. i think it was asked about b/f but how do you play it? the oval hole is too small for the player. thanks, kristie:) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dunca_chap at xxx.com Wed Jun 23 17:16:41 1999 From: dunca_chap at xxx.com (Adam Chapman) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:16:41 GMT Subject: Sinister: Apologies. Message-ID: <19990623161641.54805.qmail@hotmail.com> Sorry kids, i inadvertedely mailed my last missive twice and have further clogged your inboxes, many aplogies. Further to that last i have since made it home to find a dictionary, which defined *twee*, as follows; Twee [adjective] Sweet and pretty, but sentimental or in bad taste. This is surely [esp. after the last mail] enough for anybody, ta ra, Adam. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Sun Jun 6 21:05:45 1999 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:05:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: How do pheasants walk? Message-ID: <200006062109.e56L9Bb11603@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> Well, I bought the album today. It's really depressing, perhaps a little too much so for my liking. Every time you think it's going to cheer up they stick in a few more minor chords. I Fought In A War, The Chalet Lines, Woman's Realm and Family Tree are the stand out tracks I think. What is Beyond The Sunrise. It sounds really strange, as if there are mistakes in it. Much as I hate to admit it, I don't really like that one. The best thing about the album is the fact that they most definitely have not sold out. It's not commercial at all, even if it is a little somber for my liking. Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Sun Jun 6 21:13:05 1999 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:13:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Aaah...sorry! Message-ID: <200006062115.e56LFEb11944@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> Sorry Stu and friends. I have just listened to the album for a second time, and somehow it sounds 1 million times better; even Beyond The Sunrise! I love it now! Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+